Jen Rubin's Trump Derangement Has Made Her Into a Mindless Robot

#MuhPrinciples demand that I abandon all of my previously claimed principles.

The Washington Post columnist stands out among Trump-obsessed zealots who add nothing to our discourse.
The era of Trump has been as hard on the mind as it has been good for the muscles in the chest. Ours is a moment in which millions rush breathlessly to exclaim. In defense! In resistance! In bloody-minded persistence! "I will not back down!" we are told, by people who have not been asked to, and could not be compelled to. They won't be "intimidated" either, nor "silenced," nor "bullied" nor, it seems, pushed to any form of self-reflection.
Indignation, not analysis, is the perennial order of the day, and the tone of our debates is ineluctably Twitteresque. Retweets are points on the board, and hyperbole gets you oodles of them. The worst. Ding! Insane. Ding! Crisis. Ding, ding, ding! Congratulations, you have been promoted to the next level. Time for some game theory . . .
From this self-laudatory funhouse has emerged a host of cynical entrepreneurs, each with the same approach to our dismal, fractious moment: Take no prisoners, brook no opposition, and never, ever step away from the umbrage.... [T]hey pepper their analyses with eschatology; and, as is apt for a cult, they are promiscuous with their accusations of heresy....
Which brings us to Jennifer Rubin, the Washington Post's ostensibly conservative blogger. Rubin is not the only example of this president's remarkable talent for corrupting his detractors as well as his devotees, but she is perhaps the best one. Since Donald Trump burst onto the political scene, Rubin has become precisely what she dislikes in others: a monomaniac and a bore, whose visceral dislike of her opponents has prompted her to drop the keys to her conscience into a well....
If Trump likes something, Rubin doesn't. If he does something, she opposes it. If his agenda flits into alignment with hers--as anyone's is wont to do from time to time--she either ignores it, or finds a way to downplay it.
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So sharp and so sudden are her reversals as to make effective parody impossible. \

Cooke then goes through Jen Rubin's whiplash reversals on climate change, the Iran Deal, and moving the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. All it took for Rubin to reverse herself on long-claimed positions was for Trump to agree with her.

It's not just that this "conservative" WaPo blogger is reversing her positions to attack Republicans -- she's also praising Democrats to the hilt. For example, though she's mentioned Chuck Schumer 76 times so far this year, this twitter thread notes that her criticism of Schumer has been... sparing.

Tacking on to @charlescwcooke's piece on @JRubinBlogger, allow me to share a few more gems.

We all know Jen Rubin tends to criticize politicians by name. So what, you might ask, has she said this year about prominent liberal Democrats?

I've tracked this all year, so strap in.
— Joseph Adams (@JBA101) December 19, 2017

In fact, the thread notes that many of the mentions of Schumer paint him as a voice of reason in #TheseDarkTimes.

She also mentioned Nancy Pelosi 66 times -- and criticized her not a single time.

Don't worry too much for Jen Rubin, though. She's getting some important endorsements, including one from the Trope Namer of the #SalonHot25.

David Frum, naturally, slumps to her defense, attacking Charles Cooke for his "savagely personal" attack on Rubin, an attack that consisted of... quoting her own words.

She also got special dispensation from the Pope of Liberal Neocons.

A wholly unavailing piece. @JRubinBlogger is an essential, principled voice for liberty in America. If you’re not following her already, I strongly recommend it. https://t.co/sGUV4X6wQM
— Evan McMullin (@Evan_McMullin) December 19, 2017

By the way, Frum is re-defining "conservatism" according to his (and Rubin's, I suppose) open brace of liberal ideological points, and guess who has two thumbs, and is bald and wan, looks like he knows his way around a glans, and is totally on board with that?

This guy--

Another discerning must-read by @davidfrum: "Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative." https://t.co/YZbdkNXPXg
— Evan McMullin (@Evan_McMullin) December 19, 2017

Correction: Actually, Frum wasn't arguing that "conservatism" was now defined as what he and his fellow neoliberals believe (though his argument does indeed have that implication). Rather, he was claiming that Trump was a "fact" of current conservatism, and by defending Trump, people are allowing Trump to define conservatism.

However, Trump is pushing actual conservatism -- of the type that Jen Rubin, and her very white knight David Frum, now have decided is distasteful and needs to be abandoned.

Posted by: Ace at 01:04 PM

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1 "Conservative" - I don't think that word means what they think it means.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 01:03 PM (W+vEI)

2 1st

Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at December 19, 2017 01:03 PM (BN/jk)

3 What, no David Brooks? Why not give us the opinion of the trifecta of pseudo-conservative stupidity: Frum, Rubin and Brooks?

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at December 19, 2017 01:04 PM (2X7pN)

4 TDS, baby.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 19, 2017 01:05 PM (/qEW2)

5 Jen Rubin is not conservative.

Egg McMuffin is, well, what is he given no one had even heard of him until he decided to run for POTUS in Utah? We only have what he says he is, yet his acyions - attempting to kneecap Trump's election, Trump's presidency - demonstrates he is a Lefty in all but name.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 01:05 PM (W+vEI)

6 Heck, half the comments at Cooke's article were slumping to Rubin's defense last I checked.

And Cooke's piece consists almost entirely of her own words.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 01:05 PM (ul9CR)

7 It's days like these when I despair of America ever getting back to her roots. With so many who are ostensibly on "our side" doing everything they can to tear down truth and liberty, where will we be in two decades?

And then I remember that my hope is in God and settle back down. YMMV

Posted by: Long-time Commenter, First-time Reader at December 19, 2017 01:06 PM (Nu6Gg)

8 Trump is worst (best) tenant in the world. Lives rent free her head for days at a time.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 19, 2017 01:06 PM (BtQd4)

9 "Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative."

++++

Why doesn't it surprise me that Frum gets his talking points from Humpty Dumpty?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 19, 2017 01:06 PM (pvjTE)

10 Trump is like a wildfire burning out the brush that has been building up in our political forest.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleigh Your Friends with the Holiday Delights from the Outrage Outlet! at December 19, 2017 01:07 PM (hLRSq)

11 Rubin always looks nervous.

Posted by: Ktgreat at December 19, 2017 01:07 PM (vlVF/)

12 If Trump tweeted puppies are cute, these cretins would ask why does Trump hate kittens?

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:07 PM (4ugMC)

13 If you didn't already know that Rubin is an idiot, Egg McMuffin's enthusiastic endorsement should clue you in.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 19, 2017 01:07 PM (fqUgw)

14 Yeah, Egg McMuffin, Kristol, and David Frum know one another's prostates like the back of their respective hands.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 19, 2017 01:08 PM (RD7QR)

15 Jen Rubin had principles? Not buying it.

Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at December 19, 2017 01:08 PM (BN/jk)

16 Somebody wanna punch that Egg McMuffin guy in the mouth?

Posted by: tu3031 at December 19, 2017 01:08 PM (O5Q3r)

17 Top ten and I read the post first!

*preens muh feathers*

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleigh Your Friends with the Holiday Delights from the Outrage Outlet! at December 19, 2017 01:08 PM (hLRSq)

18 For WaPo, to be a "conservative" you need to think the govt should only control 92% of your life, instead of 100%.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:08 PM (4ugMC)

19 Who's more conservative, Andrew Sullivan or Jen Rubin?

I know, right?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 01:08 PM (W+vEI)

20 Rubin and Frum serve the Lizard overlords.

Egg McMuffin is a lizard overlord in a skin suit.

You can tell by the fact that his tweets are created by an AI and also the fact that he can unhinge his jaw and swallow whole, a small dog.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 01:08 PM (ODl9E)

21 Beating them all into the mire of their own blood is my preferred response.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 19, 2017 01:09 PM (FTPVM)

22 Unavailing: achieving little or nothing; ineffective.

It was damn effective and the proof is that McMuffin took the dick out of his mouth long enough to white knight.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 01:09 PM (ul9CR)

23 What a bunch of whining pussies. Who reads that shit anyway. Anyone ?

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on fried to a crisp Ventura Highway at December 19, 2017 01:09 PM (M+Lyo)

24 I said it before ,Trump has pulled off more masks than the gang in the Mystery Machine.....

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 01:09 PM (LiyEm)

25 Who the fuck is Egg McMuffin anyway? I know who he is, I mean how did he become famous? He's a like a Kardashian. They are famous for being famous.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:09 PM (4ugMC)

26
Jen Rubin.

What a wench.

But her sandwich is one of my faves.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 01:10 PM (8XRCm)

27 16 Somebody wanna punch that Egg McMuffin guy in the mouth?

I'll punch him in the gut. I don't want dick on my hand.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 01:10 PM (ul9CR)

28 The only reason Trump would tweet support for puppies is because he eats them. With two scoops of ice cream.

Posted by: Egg McMuffin's Cat at December 19, 2017 01:10 PM (t41dG)

29 looks like he knows his way around a glans,

His own doesn't count for a politician.

Posted by: DaveA at December 19, 2017 01:10 PM (FhXTo)

30 Egg McMuffin translated-- us severe conservatives are playing a game of Calvinball.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 19, 2017 01:10 PM (f5uaD)

31 I'm honestly sick of all "experts". What makes Jen Rubin and authority on anything? Because she has a job at WaPo?

Or Frum. Or McMullin. Or any of them.

I don't need any of these twats to tell me what I think or what I see happening in front of my own eyes.

All this infighting amongst our "experts" is just a bunch of inconsequential nerds engaging in a childish slap fight about who is more pure.

Who gives a shit?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2017 01:10 PM (/tuJf)

32 So it looks like the narrative has moved from Trump is LITERALLY Hitler to Trump is bad for conservatism. LOL. Whatever assholes.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (4ugMC)

33 Oh wait, Dave Weigel was sold to us as a conservative voice, too, right?

Those MSM people, such kidders!!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (W+vEI)

34
And why exactly should anyone care what nobody Egg McMuffin says or does?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (493sH)

35 There's hope, admittedly small hope but hope for Charles CW WWW WWE WLW WW1 WW2 Cooke.

Jen "Bili" Rubin is as she as always been a Judas Ewe leading Republicans to slaughter.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (SzZnW)

36 "Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative."
No. By DEFINITION that is NOT conservative. Can we do a class action slander suit for that crap?

Posted by: GWB at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (bPZSS)

37 I bought Frums book The Right Man in hardback when it first released. It was the worst piece of self serving garbage I have ever read. I literally threw it out with the rest of my garbage.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (qcrxS)

38 Egg McMuffin is, well, what is he given no one had even heard of him until he decided to run for POTUS in Utah? We only have what he says he is, yet his acyions - attempting to kneecap Trump's election, Trump's presidency - demonstrates he is a Lefty in all but name.
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Egg McMuffin is a CIA regime change operative. He got outsourced so that he can try to ply his trade inside the US.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (Ae3eE)

39 Rubin is doing what she is paid to do.

Posted by: davidt at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (vPD1C)

40 34 Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (493sH)

Egg McMuffin works for Soros, Soros is a Bond villain....thus I care.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (SzZnW)

41 Who the fuck is Egg McMuffin anyway? I know who he is, I mean how did he become famous?

Bill Kristol says I give the finest blowjobs west of the Mississippi.

Posted by: Evan "Egg" McMuffin at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (O5Q3r)

42 If Trump likes something, Rubin doesn't. If he does something, she opposes it.

Rum Tum Rubin.

http://catquotes.com/therumtumtugger.htm

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 19, 2017 01:12 PM (/qEW2)

43 39 Rubin is doing what she is paid to do.
Posted by: davidt at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (vPD1C)

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Her title should be Senior Director of Concern Trolling

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:12 PM (4ugMC)

44 39 Posted by: davidt at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (vPD1C)

Absolutely correct, the "Kept Conservatives" are on the donk's payroll forget it at your peril.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:12 PM (SzZnW)

45 Posted by: Long-time Commenter, First-time Reader at December 19, 2017 01:06 PM (Nu6Gg)

Amen

Posted by: GWB at December 19, 2017 01:12 PM (bPZSS)

46 The WaPo sure is covering themselves in something lately. Fake report about Trump "banning" words. And a fake report about Trump considered pulling Gorsuch's nomination.

As has been said, if these were just simple reporting errors why are the fake stories always negative towards Trump.

Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2017 01:13 PM (cAnNx)

47 The PowerLine guys make the good case that she was like this long before Trump. Though Trump seems to have made it worse. Sort of like how alcohol enhances your negative (or as I tell my wife, my best) character traits.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:13 PM (sX1BW)

48 Bill Kristol says I give the finest blowjobs west of the Mississippi.
Posted by: Evan "Egg" McMuffin at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (O5Q3r)

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Riiiiiiight.

Like Bill Kristol has a penis.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 01:13 PM (8XRCm)

49 C'mon. All principled conservatives serve on their knees as George Soros rent boys. It's the principled thing to do.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 01:13 PM (ul9CR)

50 A woman that will make you a Ruben is a keeper.

Posted by: garrett at December 19, 2017 01:13 PM (Gq+3m)

51 Trump should go into the wayback machine and find some quotes from Rubin from 10 years ago. Then tweet the quote verbatim and wait for her inevitable hatred of said idea.

Hilarity ensues....

And do this with all of them...Frum, Kristol, anyone at NR, etc.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:14 PM (4ugMC)

52 The only reason Trump would tweet support for puppies is because he eats them. With two scoops of ice cream.

Posted by: Egg McMuffin's Cat at December 19, 2017 01:10 PM (t41dG)

He's a puppy-blender? That explains the energy.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleigh Your Friends with the Holiday Delights from the Outrage Outlet! at December 19, 2017 01:14 PM (hLRSq)

53 "Conservative" now means preening social climber who would have preferred a President Hillary.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 19, 2017 01:14 PM (pjGyP)

54 Trump has driven so many off the edge into madness. It's beautiful.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 19, 2017 01:14 PM (NWiLs)

55 Kristol, Frum, McMuffin, et al are the new Whigs. I'm not just pulling this out of the air, either. Bill Kristol has even called for the formation of a New Whig Party.

Whigs: Historically known for their unwillingness to take on the Democrats over slavery.

Whigs: Useless in a fight since 1852.

Posted by: troyriser at December 19, 2017 01:14 PM (raGQi)

56 Frum is paid by the Lizard overlords in drawn butter. They deliver it by the tanker car.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 01:14 PM (v23Hz)

57 OH! the hand-wringing. OH! the despair. OH! the virtue-signaling, while being a totally clueless bint.

As my favorite Mommy Loves Vodka post read, "You can fuck off with that fucking shit right off to fuck off mountain."

And that's as succinct as I get on the matter.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 19, 2017 01:14 PM (7UW64)

58 >>Rubin always looks nervous.

Like she never knows when someone is going to pull her anal beads out.

Posted by: garrett at December 19, 2017 01:15 PM (Gq+3m)

59 I really love the taste of Evan's cock in my mouth. It tastes like my ass and that is scrumptious!!11!!

Posted by: Bill Kristol at December 19, 2017 01:15 PM (FTPVM)

60 What I hate most about the Establishment is their condescension and disdain for those they presume to lecture... give me an old fashioned Socialist any day, who ae what they appear to be..

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:15 PM (pL6Vz)

61 So it looks like the narrative has moved from Trump is LITERALLY Hitler to Trump is bad for conservatism. LOL. Whatever assholes.

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Admittedly, I thought he would be bad for conservatism because I didn't think he was one. But there is simply no way you could objectively look at his current record and not be impressed from a conservative point of view. Even Rich Lowry seems to get this completely.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:15 PM (sX1BW)

62 As has been said, if these were just simple reporting errors why are the fake stories always negative towards Trump.
Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2017 01:13 PM (cAnNx)

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We get heads 100/100 times when we flip a coin too.

Posted by: WaPo at December 19, 2017 01:15 PM (4ugMC)

63 Charles Cooke still sucks. At least Rubin's full on hackery is done partly out of sincerity. Cooke continues to attack Trump despite those listed advances, which remain the sum of Republican accomplishment in this do nothing Congress.

Why does anyone still link National Review, long after they have lost all credibility among people who allegedly support conservatism? Because people like me keep treating their arguments as credible? Because we love people who throw out intellectual wank fodder instead of something useful? It sure as hell isn't their relevance to governing policy.

Posted by: trev006 at December 19, 2017 01:15 PM (jRA31)

64 So I'm supposed to take seriously a piece on conservatism published in The Atlantic. Riiiiight.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 19, 2017 01:16 PM (NWiLs)

65 "Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do...blah, blah, blah" *fart*

They keep writing and tweeting and lecturing and scolding. The difference between Trump and the whole GOPe crew - NRO, Weekly Standard, GOPe consultants, "No Labels", Egg McMuffin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlVDGmjz7eM

TL;DR - Results.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 01:16 PM (W+vEI)

66 Admittedly, I thought he would be bad for conservatism because I didn't think he was one. But there is simply no way you could objectively look at his current record and not be impressed from a conservative point of view. Even Rich Lowry seems to get this completely.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:15 PM (sX1BW)

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I thought he'd make me happy 60% of the time and make me scream 40% of the time. So far it has been more like 90/10. And yeah, he's more conservative than any "leading conservative" of the past 25 years.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:16 PM (4ugMC)

67 In fact, the thread notes that many of the mentions of Schumer paint him as a voice of reason in #TheseDarkTimes.

Nothing says principled conservative like saying Schemer is a voice of reason

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2017 01:17 PM (493sH)

68 "Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative."

Sort of like a "living Constitution."
.

Posted by: OregonGuy at December 19, 2017 01:17 PM (HydwB)

69 Trump has driven so many off the edge into madness. It's beautiful.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 19, 2017 01:14 PM (NWiLs)

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Yeah.... I posted way back in the primary that for good or bad, Trump would expose where alot of "republican" allegiances lie.

I had no effing idea how true and how widespread that would be.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 01:17 PM (8XRCm)

70 60 Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:15 PM (pL6Vz)

The GOPe and Salon Hot 25 literally think you are unworthy of having the vote and/or your political desires acted on.

They are by far a more pernicious enemy than the left.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:17 PM (SzZnW)

71 Why does anyone still link National Review, long after they have lost all credibility among people who allegedly support conservatism?

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I still like NR. That being said, for this audience, I'll just state that VDH still posts articles there. And Rich Lowry seems to be impressed with Trump.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:17 PM (sX1BW)

72 I do not care whether Trump is Conservative or not... everything he has done has furthered the situation of normals in the country... certainly unlike the Establishment.

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:18 PM (pL6Vz)

73 63 Did you see the Jay Cost thing I linked yesterday?Goes through the ling list of Trump's accomplishments in his first year and still closes with basically the first year sucked...lol

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 01:18 PM (LiyEm)

74 I don't think Trump would have called himself a conservative, but he is a sensible businessman, so, he aligns himself with conservatives more often than not.

The social issues are a bit sketchy, but that's not the important part, anyway.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 19, 2017 01:19 PM (7UW64)

75 I suspect Jen, Evan and other Never Trumpers are true to their principles. They just lied about what their principles are.

#MeFirst!

Posted by: tbodie at December 19, 2017 01:19 PM (rpAqR)

76 Trump has driven so many off the edge into madness. It's beautiful.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 19, 2017 01:14 PM (NWiLs)

Some he drove mad; the others he made walk because they needed the exercise.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleigh Your Friends with the Holiday Delights from the Outrage Outlet! at December 19, 2017 01:19 PM (hLRSq)

77 I knew Romney was going to be toxic for the country solely based on Jen Rubin's slobbering blow job articles praising him to high heaven.

She's controlled opposition. She exists to keep the cucks cuckin' and bending over for the Left.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2017 01:19 PM (4ErVI)

78 "Conservatism" is apparently what the Chardonnay-and-penis-sipping pundit class says it is.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 19, 2017 01:19 PM (NWiLs)

79
Yup....any day now.... it's coming... Trump resigns and Hillary becomes President.... thats the plan... was the plan.... all along... from the VERY beginning....gonna happen any second now.... President Clinton..... he's in on it for sure.... yup..... any day now.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 01:19 PM (8XRCm)

80 "Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative."

.......

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 19, 2017 01:20 PM (CPk08)

81 I do not care whether Trump is Conservative or not... everything he has done has furthered the situation of normals in the country... certainly unlike the Establishment.

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That's it. For all I know, he isn't conservative at all. Frankly, I don't really care. Actions speak louder than words, and his actions are conservatively positive.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:20 PM (sX1BW)

82 63 Posted by: trev006 at December 19, 2017 01:15 PM (jRA31)

I posted on this at Insty this morning,

Reagan went through PRECISELY this same event chain, the Andersen GOP run was the Bush wing of the party "saving the GOP from itself."

Slowly over the course of time into '82 the GOP re-coalesced, but George Will was then as he is now "not on board."

I think when possible we should be magnanimous to those NTs who come back into the fold if young enough to still have utility like George Will then, and jettison the ones who bray too hard or are past their sell by date....

like George Will now.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:20 PM (SzZnW)

83 I learned two new words today from this post.

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 19, 2017 01:20 PM (Hnqc1)

84 Re: Photo of Trump

They gave Obama a halo.

They give Trump a phallic symbol.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - High Speed Rail Denier at December 19, 2017 01:20 PM (T4n7S)

85 56 Frum is paid by the Lizard overlords in drawn butter. They deliver it by the tanker car.
Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 01:14 PM (v23Hz)

And by the Snarg of Thramtor, let's not talk about the amount of gravy we send this Pumbah!

Posted by: Lizard Overlord of Logistics at December 19, 2017 01:20 PM (RD7QR)

86 I would especially like to hear from friends of The Horde who have experienced a loss.

Hrothgar, Carol, Jinx, Chi, Cheri Gingy and WeirdDave and Teresa in Ft. Worth have all experienced losses within their immediate Family.

I'd imagine they'd all close-ranks and become closer to their Families than post online.

Their prayers will remain until I'm told differently.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 01:20 PM (Ckg4U)

87 "33 Oh wait, Dave Weigel was sold to us as a conservative voice, too, right?"

I always thought Weigel was billed as a commenter on Conservative media, but not a Conservative himself. Of course, his comments always consist of Conservatives suck and libs are good. It was hard for him to claim to be a Conservative after being outed as Journolister. Total hack.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 01:21 PM (OD2ni)

88 62 As has been said, if these were just simple reporting errors why are the fake stories always negative towards Trump.
Posted by: buzzion at December 19, 2017 01:13 PM (cAnNx)

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Oooh oooh! I know!

When 100 percent of your reportage on Trump is negative and disparaging, then it follows that 100 percent of your mistakes about Trump will be negative and disparaging.

I can prove this using Venn diagrams.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 19, 2017 01:21 PM (pjGyP)

89 On social issues, it is refreshing for me that we do not suffer a President that promotes failure and decadence at every turn.

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:21 PM (pL6Vz)

90 77 Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2017 01:19 PM (4ErVI)

She's the judas ewe sending the GOP to slaughter, she was madly in love with Mitt until the last two weeks before the election and then post Benghazi she was protective of Obama.

I can stand opponents, I loathe traitors.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:21 PM (SzZnW)

91 Can we please quit acknowledging the existence of McMuffin?

He matters like a random pimple on a random ass.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 19, 2017 01:21 PM (B+qrE)

92 Every failure of Trump rests on the shoulders of McConnell.

Posted by: MAGA at December 19, 2017 01:21 PM (Ydb3M)

93 Did Jen Rubin say "no" when C.C.C.W.W Cooke asked her out?

Posted by: RioBravo at December 19, 2017 01:21 PM (5NMZN)

94 The emergence of Trump has revealed as clear as day that Conservatism at the political and commentarriette level is largely a pose and that a great many people are con artists and flim flam artists.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 19, 2017 01:22 PM (eAhEn)

95 I do not care whether Trump is Conservative or
not... everything he has done has furthered the situation of normals in
the country... certainly unlike the Establishment.

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:18 PM
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THIS.

Near as I can tell, Trump is uninterested in right and left. He wants what's good for America and it's citizens. And he doesn't care if you disagree with him. He's going to continue doing what has made him a success.

That is why the establishment hates him so deeply.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at December 19, 2017 01:22 PM (t41dG)

96 Rubin got arrested once for mooning. She stuck her head out of the car window.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 19, 2017 01:22 PM (r9UYA)

97 I won't know what to think on this subject until I hear from Mary Clogginstien. She's the standard bearer of conservative principle.

Posted by: Grimaldi at December 19, 2017 01:22 PM (fdbiW)

98 Ahhh, yes, that bastion of Trump worship, National Review.

Does anyone know when the House is holding the tax reform vote?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 19, 2017 01:22 PM (mf5HN)

99 She's getting some important endorsements, including one from the Trope Namer of the #SalonHot25.

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Democrats have all the big donors, and a lack of morals. So they will always have the advantage in "turning" conservative commentators so that they will support liberal talking points. There is no solution except "try to consider what you are reading enough, so as not to be a dupe".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 19, 2017 01:22 PM (/qEW2)

100 >>>Rubin always looks nervous.<<<

I always thought she looked perplexed, until I realized that her unibrow just needed a good plucking.

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2017 01:22 PM (A1FgP)

101 I mean, I'm not even a real conservative. I'm more a libertarian who doesn't trust libertarians. But this: ""Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative." ...is just retarded.

(FTR I don't trust conservatives, either. I don't trust anyone. which makes me more or less conservative by default....)

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 19, 2017 01:23 PM (CPk08)

102 81 I do not care whether Trump is Conservative or not... everything he has done has furthered the situation of normals in the country... certainly unlike the Establishment.

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That's it. For all I know, he isn't conservative at all. Frankly, I don't really care. Actions speak louder than words, and his actions are conservatively positive.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:20 PM (sX1BW)

He's also trying to deliver on his campaign promises which is unheard of

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 19, 2017 01:23 PM (dKiJG)

103 74 I don't think Trump would have called himself a conservative, but he is a sensible businessman, so, he aligns himself with conservatives more often than not.

The social issues are a bit sketchy, but that's not the important part, anyway.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 19, 2017 01:19 PM (7UW64)

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Bingo.

The label "conservative" means fuck all these days. Trump's basic instincts are pro-American, pro-Capitalist, pro-Western Values.

Does he have a soft spot for the dreamers and shit like that? Yeah. But hey nobody's perfect. Those are outliers to an overall world view that aligns with most of the people reading this.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:23 PM (4ugMC)

104 So I'm supposed to take seriously a piece on conservatism published in The Atlantic. Riiiiight.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 19, 2017 01:16 PM (NWiLs)

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Hey now! The Atlantic is a mjor ocean.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 19, 2017 01:23 PM (pjGyP)

105 100
>>Rubin always looks nervous.

I always thought she looked perplexed, until I realized that her unibrow just needed a good plucking.
Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2017 01:22 PM (A1FgP)

She has that Toy Poodle look about her...

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:23 PM (pL6Vz)

106 Charles Cooke is coming back to reality.

A Never Trumper, he has to reject that mindless position and get himself grounded back in reality: Trump is proving to be a Great President of consequence. Trump is Making America Great Again.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 19, 2017 01:23 PM (7ClUK)

107 It's not that hard to point out the hypocrisy of Rubin, so I don't see the need to link to that insufferable NeverTrumper, Charles C.W. Cooke.

By referencing his thesaurus stretching article, it just encourages the deep state conservatives to give this untalented hack a paycheck.

Fuck him and the purebred pony he rode in on.

Posted by: Jwest at December 19, 2017 01:23 PM (/roJx)

108 No, Evan, you don't change the meaning of Conservative, you are simply becoming a Democrat Leftist.

Now go to McDonald's and order your signature breakfast sandwich.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 19, 2017 01:23 PM (UsCnO)

109 Trump has driven so many off the edge into madness. It's beautiful.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 19, 2017 01:14 PM (NWiLs)

What it did for me was not point out the NeverTrumpers but point out those that disliked Trump but have shown they are intellectually honest by giving Trump credit where due. Though I do not think much of pundits, those guys deserve a least a second look.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 19, 2017 01:24 PM (qcrxS)

110 He's also trying to deliver on his campaign promises which is unheard of

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That is sort of refreshing. And my favorite part was that he actually fired someone - didn't ask for a resignation. Stone cold fired him.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:24 PM (sX1BW)

111 Re: Photo of Trump

They gave Obama a halo.

They give Trump a phallic symbol.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - High Speed Rail Denier at December 19, 2017 01:20 PM (T4n7S)

That's because Trump has schlonged Obama's legacy.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleigh Your Friends with the Holiday Delights from the Outrage Outlet! at December 19, 2017 01:24 PM (hLRSq)

112 IT
This is an interesting article that sees connections between the Politico article and the DWS IT Crew and their strange used car sales company.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/12/hezbollah-narco-terrorism-and-the-awans.php

Posted by: Vera at December 19, 2017 01:24 PM (yHpsH)

113 Egg McMuffin's "liberty"-themed organization is funded by Silicon Valley money. Just like the fake conservative immigration-promoting org that was running ads with Rubio. Not even trying to do a good job at faking conservatism.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 01:24 PM (W+vEI)

114 Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:20 PM (SzZnW)

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George Will was anti-Reagan? I wasn't old enough to know what was going on in politics in the early 80s. But that seems so weird to hear.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:25 PM (4ugMC)

115 A woman that will make you a Ruben is a keeper.

There was a reference to the Reuben Wars the other day and I denied that such exist and went on to define the one and only True Reuben.

Wiki says I'm wrong, it's corned beef and not pastrami.

I am at a loss.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 19, 2017 01:25 PM (fuK7c)

116 By the way, Frum is re-defining "conservatism" according to his (and
Rubin's, I suppose) open brace of liberal ideological points, and guess
who has two thumbs, and is bald and wan, looks like he knows his way
around a glans, and is totally on board with that?

Bolded part was wholly unexpected, remarkably pithy, and I bloody near killed myself inhaling some pumpkin spice bread my secretary brought in upon reading it.

Thanks for the assassination attempt Ace o_O

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 19, 2017 01:25 PM (6JL3d)

117 Stone cold fired him.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:24 PM (sX1BW)

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WHO YOU CALLING *HIM*.... BITCH!!!

Posted by: Amarosa at December 19, 2017 01:25 PM (8XRCm)

118 The Frum piece is pretty predictable and not really about Rubin. Frum and Cooke have had some nasty disputes over the 2nd Amendment with Frum always having his ass handed to him.

I know Cooke is not a favorite around here, but he really understands the historical underpinning of the 2A and knows how to defend it well. I found his voice to be much needed whenever there is anti-2A hysteria after a tragedy.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 01:25 PM (OD2ni)

119 "I still like NR."

(CENSORED)

Posted by: nip at December 19, 2017 01:25 PM (ECLaL)

120 The old labels are broken....

Its no longer Conservative vs. Liberal...

Its Idealists vs. Realists.... and Globalists vs. Patriots.

Trump, is a realistic patriot... which is why Washington hates him...

Posted by: Don Q. at December 19, 2017 01:25 PM (NgKpN)

121 and "unavailing"? He's saying the piece doesn't help anyone? That's his compliment? What kind of a dumbfuck is he? just die already.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 19, 2017 01:26 PM (CPk08)

122 96 Rubin got arrested once for mooning. She stuck her head out of the car window.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 19, 2017 01:22 PM (r9UYA)

She makes Mara Liasson seem hittable.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 19, 2017 01:26 PM (4ErVI)

123 Trump is working to undo the severe psychological and morale damage that his Marxist kleptocrat predessessor inflicted on America... he loves the country.

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:26 PM (pL6Vz)

124 George Will was anti-Reagan? I wasn't old enough to know what was going on in politics in the early 80s. But that seems so weird to hear.

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That's not how I remember it, but I'll defer because I don't know for sure. As a longtime Will fan, its sad to watch him descend. Lowry seems to have it right.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:26 PM (sX1BW)

125 Egg McMuffin missed his calling as a stand up comedian.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 19, 2017 01:26 PM (3BFzK)

126 Jen Rubin was a dem immediately before becoming a 'conservative republican blogger'. came out of nowhere. this is the sort of person chosen to 'represent conservatives'

Posted by: jihadi at December 19, 2017 01:26 PM (I64i9)

127 I don't think Trump would have called himself a conservative, but he is a sensible businessman, so, he aligns himself with conservatives more often than not.
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No labels. Horsesh!+

The proof is in the doing not in the saying. TRUMP said he was going to do this stuff and he appears to doing what he said to the greatest degree he can under the circumstances. MAGA

I don't care what you call yourself, tell me what you will do, then prove it. If you sold me down the river once, I'm done with you. Forever.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 01:27 PM (Ae3eE)

128 There was a reference to the Reuben Wars the
other day and I denied that such exist and went on to define the one and
only True Reuben.

Wiki says I'm wrong, it's corned beef and not pastrami.

I am at a loss.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 19, 2017 01:25 PM (fuK7c)

O.o I've never heard of a Reuben made with pastrami... it's always been corned beef for us growing up.

In fact all the restaurants in the Midwest (that I am aware of) sell Reubens with corned beef, never seen pastrami Reubens anywhere.

Regional variations surely do change a dish, but it's unusual to see the mainstay of the dish replaced altogether o.O fascinating

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 19, 2017 01:27 PM (6JL3d)

129 I hadn't known that conservativism was a living, breathing document.

Oh, the knots these guys twist themselves in to convince themselves that they aren't power hungry loonies.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at December 19, 2017 01:27 PM (PFy0L)

130 98 Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 19, 2017 01:22 PM (mf5HN)

#twoweeks

actually within the hour if I read the schedule correctly.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:27 PM (SzZnW)

131 Yeah.... I posted way back in the primary that for good or bad, Trump would expose where alot of "republican" allegiances lie.

I had no effing idea how true and how widespread that would be.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 01:17 PM (8XRCm)

The exposure isn't what's surprising but the extensiveness of it is, at least to me. I knew a lot of these guys were frauds but it's breathtaking to see just how many there are.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 19, 2017 01:27 PM (NWiLs)

132
To the Rubins and Frums conservatism is not policies or standards but attitudes and appearances.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 19, 2017 01:27 PM (zRWOK)

133 41
Who the fuck is Egg McMuffin anyway? I know who he is, I mean how did he become famous?

Bill Kristol says I give the finest blowjobs west of the Mississippi.

Posted by: Evan "Egg" McMuffin at December 19, 2017 01:11 PM (O5Q3r)

Now THAT is saying something!Gotta phone number?

Posted by: The San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus at December 19, 2017 01:27 PM (UsCnO)

134 I know Cooke is not a favorite around here, but he really understands the historical underpinning of the 2A and knows how to defend it well. I found his voice to be much needed whenever there is anti-2A hysteria after a tragedy.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 01:25 PM (OD2ni)

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I'm not being snarky when I say this, but the fact he has a British accent helps, when defending 2A.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:27 PM (4ugMC)

135 What I'm really looking forward to is seeing Bill Kristol argue against the recognition of Jerusalem

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 19, 2017 01:28 PM (mynhJ)

136 That Jen Rubin person hates me ever since I told her I don't bang ugly chicks with unibrows.

Posted by: Donny Two Scoops at December 19, 2017 01:28 PM (OD2ni)

137 As for Will it's not unusual for conservative men to start tilting left when they get old.I think it even happened with Goldwater...

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 01:28 PM (LiyEm)

138 What we really need at such a divisive moment in the truly, deeply ultra-conservative community is...a healing column from Peggy Noonan. She can then visit her BFFs on Morning Joe and nod approvingly as Joe and Mika talk about how the only way to make sure her solution sticks is to oust cray-crayTrump using the 25th amendment.

Then, finally, we can restore order on our side!!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 01:28 PM (W+vEI)

139 125 Egg McMuffin missed his calling as a ~~stand up comedian~~ target on a rifle range.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 19, 2017 01:26 PM (3BFzK)

FIFY

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 19, 2017 01:28 PM (CPk08)

140
Granny Botox is blattering on and on. I'm guessing she's letting us know the Republican tax bill will rip money out of the hands of the poor and give it to the rich

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2017 01:28 PM (493sH)

141 "Frum" is taking-on the newest meaning of "Santorum" that I can define.

"A Rubin" is just a shit sandwich.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 01:29 PM (Ckg4U)

142 I said it before but I believe the driving force behind Trumps conservative actions and policies is the insane opposition he gets to them.

I believe if the Left / Dems had started out working with Trump on their shared stated positions, Trump would have been very moderate on his positions. Instead they poked the bear.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 19, 2017 01:29 PM (qcrxS)

143 Old Conservatism: limited govt, liberty, freedom.

New Conservatism: Whatever the NYT says, but just less of it.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:29 PM (4ugMC)

144 As for Will it's not unusual for conservative men to start tilting left when they get old.I think it even happened with Goldwater...

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There's a reason we send 18 year olds to battle. Eventually, the status quo just seems so much better and easier. Most people don't want to fight all there life. I get it, but it is still disappointing to see.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (sX1BW)

145 "Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative."

Translation: "Those are my principles. If you don't like them, well, I have others."

Posted by: rickl at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (xjiRE)

146 Someday I would really like to learn the mystery of who created McMuffin and where they found him. Was it like something out of Sherlock Holmes' "A Study in Scarlet?" Did Romney find him at some secret mormon meeting?

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (mynhJ)

147 Jen Rubin, is a fruitcake and not the good kind...or bad.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (3BFzK)

148 The greatest benefit Trump gave us beyond beating The Hag is showing these scum for what they truly are.

They are not conservative, not even in the slighest degree. They are slightly hawkish leftists.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (39g3+)

149 Conservativism is just a defensive crouch destined to always lose, by definition. That they are now "changing" is just a search for new ways to lose.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (v4Yuj)

150 114 Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:25 PM (4ugMC)

Yes vehemently so in the primary.

https://tinyurl.com/y783tdya

He was a Bush fan and flirted with backing Andersen but came back into the fold by October.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (SzZnW)

151 Rubin looks like a zombie, opening her mouth so that she can devour your brains.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (/qEW2)

152 I believe if the Left / Dems had started out working with Trump on their shared stated positions, Trump would have been very moderate on his positions. Instead they poked the bear.

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That was my big fear, and that may be true. At this point, we will never know.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (sX1BW)

153 140

Granny Botox is blattering on and on. I'm guessing she's letting us know the Republican tax bill will rip money out of the hands of the poor and give it to the rich
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2017 01:28 PM (493sH)

And this from an elitist woman who married money, has never had a real job, and exists in an insulated gated cocoon in Cali... contemptible..

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (pL6Vz)

154 Dear Egg McMuffin:

I, for one, will NEVER, EVER forget that you did your utmost to throw the election to She WHO WILL NEVER BE POTUS.

From that you may extrapolate out what your opinion is worth to me, you "conservative."

Posted by: Texican (ette) at December 19, 2017 01:31 PM (CjE8v)

155 Frum should be an expert on selling out conservatives.

Oh, wait, Frum never knew what an actual conservative is, so, I guess that won't work.

So, what, exactly, am I supposed to listen to Frum about?

Oh, that's right, Frum's got quite the discerning eye when it comes to the sartorial splendor of a well pressed pants crease.

Good to know I have someone I can talk to when I need a judgement call on the crease in a pair of pants.

Posted by: Blake at December 19, 2017 01:31 PM (IlV2p)

156 man, the coveted gay breakfast sandwich endorsement. we really blew it when we passed on this dandy cueball.

Posted by: x at December 19, 2017 01:31 PM (nFwvY)

157 20 . . . You can tell by the fact that his tweets are created by an AI and also the fact that he can unhinge his jaw and swallow whole, a small dog.
Posted by: simplemind
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Cool.

Posted by: Low Information Ex-President at December 19, 2017 01:31 PM (j+dfT)

158 140
Granny Botox is blattering on and on. I'm guessing she's letting us know the Republican tax bill will rip money out of the hands of the poor and give it to the rich
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2017 01:28 PM (493sH)

When the wrinkled old blartharg gives up her land in Napa she can lecture the rich. Until then she can gag on a bag of schnargles.

Posted by: Lizard Overlord of Logistics at December 19, 2017 01:31 PM (RD7QR)

159
*looks in Kitchen

*rye bread ..... check
*corned beef...check
*thousand island..... check
*sauerkraut ...... check
*swiss cheese..... check

Hot damn!!!!

BRB!!

Posted by: Amarosa at December 19, 2017 01:31 PM (8XRCm)

160 LOL The rumor is that Disney was soo sure that Hillary was going to win they didn't bother to make a Trump version for the Hall of Presidents so they redid the Hillary bot and made it look like Trump

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 19, 2017 01:31 PM (dKiJG)

161 I do wonder where McMullin came from as well. Never even heard of him until he became the Nevertrumper's Great White Hope last year. Total nobody. Nothing he's said since then has been worth a warmed over turd.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2017 01:31 PM (39g3+)

162 146 Someday I would really like to learn the mystery of who created McMuffin and where they found him. Was it like something out of Sherlock Holmes' "A Study in Scarlet?" Did Romney find him at some secret mormon meeting?
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (mynhJ)

It honestly feels like one day, Glenn Beck said "LET THERE BE EGG McMUFFIN!", and there he was.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 19, 2017 01:32 PM (CMbMd)

163 I believe if the Left / Dems had started out working with Trump on their shared stated positions, Trump would have been very moderate on his positions. Instead they poked the bear.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 19, 2017 01:29 PM (qcrxS)

I agree.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 19, 2017 01:32 PM (CPk08)

164 145 "Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative."

Translation: "Those are my principles. If you don't like them, well, I have others."
Posted by: rickl at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (xjiRE)

So.... they believe that Conservatism PROGRSSIVLY Changes?

Doesn't that make them, Progressives?

Posted by: Don Q. at December 19, 2017 01:32 PM (NgKpN)

165 Someday I would really like to learn the mystery of who created McMuffin and where they found him. Was it like something out of Sherlock Holmes' "A Study in Scarlet?" Did Romney find him at some secret mormon meeting?
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (mynhJ)

It honestly feels like one day, Glenn Beck said "LET THERE BE EGG McMUFFIN!", and there he was.

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You would have thought they could have at least found someone with hair.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:32 PM (sX1BW)

166
shit

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 01:33 PM (8XRCm)

167 Bilirubin is found in bile, and is used to break down red blood cells. Jennirubin has no known use. But it is full of bile.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 19, 2017 01:33 PM (0ogQG)

168 I will never forget watching George Will leave Cokie "JohnConyers' Elevator Operator" Roberts splayed out in enraptured ecstasy every sunday morning across Brinkley's coffee table....

but men grow old, and feeble and Tron has been there a while.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:33 PM (SzZnW)

169 David Frum's mom worked as a CBC reporter for decades. You know, the CBC, the Canadian version of PBS. Where every super duper conservative works.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:33 PM (4ugMC)

170 Gee, I*m an oldster-ish guy and I am still as conservative as ever - liberty, freedom and limited government. What is so hard for these dummies to understand?

Posted by: Archer at December 19, 2017 01:33 PM (gbWkA)

171 160 The Hillary robot would have been a better candidate...

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 01:33 PM (LiyEm)

172 ..."Oh, that's right, Frum's got quite the discerning eye when it comes to the sartorial splendor of a well pressed pants crease.

Good to know I have someone I can talk to when I need a judgement call on the crease in a pair of pants."
-Posted by: Blake at December 19, 2017 01:31 PM (IlV2p)

That was David Brooks.

Same flavor.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 01:33 PM (Ckg4U)

173 167 Posted by: GnuBreed at December 19, 2017 01:33 PM (0ogQG)

Jen BiliRubin Rubin is like bilirubin a chief coloring agent in sh*t.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:33 PM (SzZnW)

174 That Joseph Adams fellow destroys Rubin. DESTROYS!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 19, 2017 01:33 PM (3BFzK)

175 160 The Hillary robot would have been a better candidate...

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Could handle its liquor better. Probably tells better jokes.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:34 PM (sX1BW)

176 Jen Rubin always looks like she is squeezing a creeper

Posted by: MAC SOG at December 19, 2017 01:34 PM (czkHE)

177 My friends, Jen Rubin is a woman of great integrity and, with David Frum, represents those thoughtful conservatives willing to stand up with me and be counted in favor of arming moderate al Qaeda cadres fighting the good fight in Syria and elsewhere.

Posted by: The Protoplasm Formerly Known As John McVain at December 19, 2017 01:34 PM (LISuA)

178 I believe if the Left / Dems had started out working with Trump on their shared stated positions, Trump would have been very moderate on his positions.

Yep, but they chose to treat him as the Worst Person Ever again like they do all Republicans. They chose poorly. The more you anger Trump, the harder he fights. Such a stupid mistaken opportunity for the left. Handled properly, he'd have been Bill Clinton without the sleaze.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2017 01:34 PM (39g3+)

179 172 That was David Brooks.

Same flavor.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 01:33 PM (Ckg4U)

David Frum, David French, and David Brooks are all the same person.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 19, 2017 01:34 PM (CMbMd)

180 Jen Rubin had principles? Not buying it.

Posted by: Clay, unimpressed with your wokeness at December 19, 2017 01:08 PM (BN/jk)

Of course she does. And if you don't like them now, wait 5 minutes.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (d6iST)

181 163 I believe if the Left / Dems had started out working with Trump on their shared stated positions, Trump would have been very moderate on his positions. Instead they poked the bear.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 19, 2017 01:29 PM (qcrxS)

I agree.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 19, 2017 01:32 PM (CPk0

Yup.... its an old Man thing...

I no longer go looking for fights... stay off my lawn and out of my business and I don't care what you do...

BUT... get in my face, or enter my space.... mess with my life... stand the F by....

I just want to be left alone... problem is... they won't do that.

Posted by: Don Q. at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (NgKpN)

182 I've watched just about every available Trump interview going back to the early Eighties, and he's always, no matter what party he was in at the time, been pretty conservative.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (ul9CR)

183 Rubin, Frum... just 21st century throwbacks to the fawning mincing courtiers that pranced around Versailles in the reign of Louis XIV, doing nothing, waiting for a smile from their betters, mincing through their lives..

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (pL6Vz)

184 Handled properly, he'd have been Bill Clinton without the sleaze.

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He was too conservative for them.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (sX1BW)

185 A while back I wrote how I went to my future bro-in-law's citizenship swearing in.

One other thing I found out is that in the packet all new registered Democrat voters (aka new citizens get) is a little book about all the presidents.

Guess who the last president in the book is? Hint: Not Trump.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (4ugMC)

186 When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less!

Posted by: Frumpty Dumpty at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (RKQ/v)

187 Levin loved Trump's speech yesterday ... so did I. Levin referred to "Reagan's third term".

Finally we openly state "America First" in trade, as well as immigration and military actions.

Paul Joseph Watson uses "let that sink in" which seems like a good rhetorical device. I suppose Cooke is taking a jab at him in the article. But despite being at infowars PJW seems to have autonomy and has been very good, imo.

Does PJW add some sarcastic flair at times ... sure, and it is effective. He is pretty hard hitting, like Coulter in some ways (though I'd prefer PJW drop some of the nastier swearing at times, so I could link to him for the more polite and genteel.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (otAqJ)

188 Rubin. Whoa..last time I saw a mouth like that it had a hook in it.

Posted by: Bosk at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (fjMEv)

189 146 Someday I would really like to learn the mystery of who created McMuffin and where they found him. Was it like something out of Sherlock Holmes' "A Study in Scarlet?" Did Romney find him at some secret mormon meeting?
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (mynhJ)

He was CIA and the CIA institutional culture is vehemently opposed to the Donald. My theory is he was seconded to Kristol and Jeb for duty off the books.

Posted by: joncelli, going phalangist at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (RD7QR)

190 The GOPe and Salon Hot 25 literally think you are unworthy of having the vote and/or your political desires acted on.

Not true! Not true at all, my good man! That you MAGA hat wearing mouth breathers believe this shows how out of touch with reality that you really are! Perhaps it is due to the ravages of your various drug addictions or the high lead paint content of your shanties or the high formaldehyde levels in the surplus FEMA trailers you bought at auction as what your kind considers as "investments", but we strongly stand behind your right to vote! We just don't think those votes should count as much of those of your betters! The sooner you all realize that and acquiesce is when you can all go back to brewing up meth, and shooting up stop signs with your beloved automatic weapons, and your cousin humping orgies and leave the problem solving to us!
Cheers and Happy Holidays!

Posted by: The Salon Hot 25 at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (O5Q3r)

191 146 Someday I would really like to learn the mystery of who created McMuffin and where they found him. Was it like something out of Sherlock Holmes' "A Study in Scarlet?" Did Romney find him at some secret mormon meeting?
__________________

I found him in my magic underwear!

Looked down one day and saw him. At first I thought it was just something I had missed when I was wiping, but danged if it wasn't Eggie!

Posted by: The Mittster at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (fqUgw)

192 SH: I am not attacking you so please don't take this the wrong way, but you just gave me a brilliant idea for a rant.

Fuck that noise! Rich Lowry came around on Trump? That's just luverly, thanks so very much for recognizing reality about a year after it has commenced. VDH writes at the Review? Yeah, and he writes at other places. Maybe if I follow him at TownHall (which itself is hardly ideal) and unfollow NR, he'll get the picture. Or maybe not, I don't really care. The point is, this isn't the late 80's and I'm not a valley girl watching CNN because Bob Novak is on and damn, at least he's a marginal conservative.

Think a columnist is too soft? Stop reading Charles Cooke and read Sailer or Coulter instead. Have to surf a river of garbage to get to a nugget of truth? 5 million channel universe, baby. I don't need to engage with the lying shitbags of the MFM if I can just link to a brief dismissal of their lies. Why the fuckity fuck do erstwhile conservative websites think I want to read the latest dripping from JudasCons? If you are of low merit, like NR observably is, I start reading Ace or Sundance. Piss me off enough and I stop clicking through entirely.

You don't have to mainline bullshit at me for intellectual "honesty." In fact, I'm a Trump supporter who would appreciate more useful links. Sundance does good analysis, he would be an excellent start.

Posted by: trev006 at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (jRA31)

193 "David Frum, David French, and David Brooks are all the same person."
-Posted by: Hikaru at December 19, 2017 01:34 PM (CMbMd)

My bad. I'm a dude, so I'm "visual".

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 01:36 PM (Ckg4U)

194
Wiki says I'm wrong, it's corned beef and not pastrami.

I am at a loss.

Posted by: Bandersnatch
=========
We'll let you off with a warning and give you a crack at an extra credit question.

Q: Where does pastrami come from?

Hint: don't say the deli...

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 01:36 PM (ZUoxg)

195 Conservatism ISN'T what 'Conservatives do and think'. That sounds like Barry's definition of sin.

Conservatism is small government, personal accountability, respect for the rule of law, individual liberty over the state.

THAT doesn't change.

It's not...gah. This McMuffin makes me so angry.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 01:36 PM (xJa6I)

196 Frum is Canadian isn't he?

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 01:36 PM (LiyEm)

197 190 Posted by: The Salon Hot 25 at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (O5Q3r)

I stand corrected, we are to vote and then let you enact 85% of Donkey policy at 93% of the price.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:36 PM (SzZnW)

198 124 George Will was anti-Reagan? I wasn't old enough to know what was going on in politics in the early 80s. But that seems so weird to hear.

------------

That's not how I remember it, but I'll defer because I don't know for sure. As a longtime Will fan, its sad to watch him descend. Lowry seems to have it right.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:26 PM (sX1BW)

George Will was a worthless shit long before Trump showed up. Illegal alien loving amnesty supporting big government shit head.

"To immigrate is an entrepreneurial act." "We need more immigrants to prop up the welfare state."

Both statements that asshole made while the discussion was about illegals.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2017 01:37 PM (cAnNx)

199 He was too conservative for them.

Its true. The Democrats have ramped violently, radically to the left since Clinton's time.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2017 01:37 PM (39g3+)

200 God I wish Egg McMuffin would just FOAD...

Posted by: I Smell Something Rotten... at December 19, 2017 01:38 PM (iWzUm)

201 Read Trump's book "Art of the Deal." He absolutely hates politicians and their enablers the media. That was one of the big 3 reasons I was pro-Trump from the beginning.

Now politicians and the media have made Trump despise them. He will take no prisoners.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 19, 2017 01:38 PM (3BFzK)

202 One has to have a grudging respect for WaPo's cunning in hiring of Jen Rubin and then advertising her idiocy as the "conservative voice" on the paper's OpEd pages.

Posted by: Zod at December 19, 2017 01:38 PM (Bdeb0)

203 >>
I believe if the Left / Dems had started out working with Trump on
their shared stated positions, Trump would have been very moderate on
his positions.

Yup. Watching Pelosi and Schumer try to trick him into accepting DACA and abandoning his #1 campaign promise of building a wall was entertaining. They thought they had another BOHICA Bush to manipulate, openly bragged after the meeting. Who's crying now? Not only did he publicly play them, but he no doubt learned a lot about how they operate as negotiators.

Bwahahahahahaha!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 01:38 PM (W+vEI)

204 187 Paul Joseph Watson uses "let that sink in" which seems like a good rhetorical device. I suppose Cooke is taking a jab at him in the article. But despite being at infowars PJW seems to have autonomy and has been very good, imo.

Does PJW add some sarcastic flair at times ... sure, and it is effective. He is pretty hard hitting, like Coulter in some ways (though I'd prefer PJW drop some of the nastier swearing at times, so I could link to him for the more polite and genteel.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (otAqJ)

Imagine My Shock.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 19, 2017 01:38 PM (CMbMd)

205 171 160 The Hillary robot would have been a better candidate...
Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 01:33 PM (LiyEm)

Are you claiming that thing we all saw last year was not Hillbot 2000!?

Posted by: tbodie at December 19, 2017 01:38 PM (rpAqR)

206 The neocons have joined Leftie in completely losing their minds. They're bugfuck crazy.

Posted by: Taqyia2Me at December 19, 2017 01:38 PM (Ftuf+)

207 "Frum is Canadian isn't he?"
-Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 01:36 PM (LiyEm)

Yup. If you stab him, he bleeds Maple Syrup.

...don't stab him.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 01:38 PM (Ckg4U)

208 195 Conservatism ISN'T what 'Conservatives do and think'. That sounds like Barry's definition of sin.

Conservatism is small government, personal accountability, respect for the rule of law, individual liberty over the state.

THAT doesn't change.

It's not...gah. This McMuffin makes me so angry.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 01:36 PM (xJa6)

I look forward to his definition of "Marxism".

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 19, 2017 01:38 PM (CPk08)

209 McMuffin is a Media creation... a political nobody, who was willing to put on the Red Dress and rant about Trump and act the fool...

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:38 PM (pL6Vz)

210 The fainting couch crowd are still pissed that Jeb! left a crater bigger than Tunguska. How dare we!!!

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 19, 2017 01:39 PM (gCJeK)

211 The GOPe and Salon Hot 25 literally think you are unworthy of having the vote and/or your political desires acted on.

Which is precisely #HowYouGotTrump

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 01:39 PM (NYS7S)

212 194 Q: Where does pastrami come from?

------

The Joos?

Posted by: Hikaru at December 19, 2017 01:39 PM (CMbMd)

213 I've watched just about every available Trump interview going back to the early Eighties, and he's always, no matter what party he was in at the time, been pretty conservative.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (ul9CR)

I do not want to raise all of the primary debates but I would just say you must have missed some interviews. The only important issue though is what Trump is doing right now. And it is fantastic.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 19, 2017 01:39 PM (qcrxS)

214 Also, haven't read NR in over a year and a half. Since the Trump train left the station.

I don't miss it. I miss what it USED to be.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 01:39 PM (xJa6I)

215 She's one of the conservatiy conservists who ever conserved a con!

Posted by: CurlyWriter at December 19, 2017 01:40 PM (FhXTo)

216 189
He was CIA and the CIA institutional culture is vehemently opposed to the Donald. My theory is he was seconded to Kristol and Jeb for duty off the books.
Posted by: joncelli, going phalangist at December 19, 2017 01:35 PM (RD7QR)

He's got Deep State written all over him.

Posted by: rickl at December 19, 2017 01:40 PM (xjiRE)

217
"To immigrate is an entrepreneurial act."
________________

Not when the reason you're immigrating is to get yourself on multiple welfare rolls and start bringing in that sweet U.S. taxpayer cash every month.

Which is what many illegal aliens (as well as legal immigrants) are doing.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 19, 2017 01:40 PM (fqUgw)

218 There is nothing deep, intellectual or insightful about delusions and contradictions. Only a moke would think that Rubin, Frum or that Clown Douche McMuffin had anything useful to state.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2017 01:40 PM (c6HAO)

219 Pastrami comes from love.

...and pepper.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 01:40 PM (Ckg4U)

220 >>>They won't be "intimidated" either, nor "silenced," nor "bullied" nor, it seems, pushed to any form of self-reflection.

Whatever you think of CCWC, I admire the way that the British can deliver an understated smackdown.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 19, 2017 01:40 PM (/qEW2)

221 212 194 Q: Where does pastrami come from?

------

The Joos?
Posted by: Hikaru at December 19, 2017 01:39 PM (CMbMd)

All your delis are belong to us.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 19, 2017 01:40 PM (CPk08)

222 I look forward to his definition of "Marxism".
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 19, 2017 01:38 PM (CPk0

Marxism???

Well... it changes based on what Groucho thinks!

of course...

Posted by: Don Q. at December 19, 2017 01:40 PM (NgKpN)

223 208 195 Conservatism ISN'T what 'Conservatives do and think'. That sounds like Barry's definition of sin.

Conservatism is small government, personal accountability, respect for the rule of law, individual liberty over the state.

THAT doesn't change.

It's not...gah. This McMuffin makes me so angry.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 01:36 PM (xJa6)

I look forward to his definition of "Marxism".
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 19, 2017 01:38 PM (CPk0

yeah, me too. Can't wait to see him fumble that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 01:40 PM (xJa6I)

224 Al Czervik pissed in Conservatism, Inc.'s punchbowl.

Posted by: mr tmz at December 19, 2017 01:40 PM (m/Gc2)

225 Where does pastrami come from?

A smoker

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2017 01:41 PM (39g3+)

226 205 The walk in the woods after her collapse was either a robot or her double...

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 01:41 PM (LiyEm)

227 209 McMuffin is a Media creation... a political nobody, who was willing to put on the Red Dress and rant about Trump and act the fool...
Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:38 PM (pL6Vz)

__

GENIUS!!

Posted by: Lee Busby - Alabama Senate Candidate at December 19, 2017 01:41 PM (4ugMC)

228 PJW is awesome, red-pilling the youngsters like a boss.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 01:41 PM (W+vEI)

229 "To immigrate is an entrepreneurial act." "We need more immigrants to prop up the welfare state."

Both statements that asshole made while the discussion was about illegals.

----------------

Both statements are somewhat true - though the latter is more about we need more people. Doesn't mean we should accept them, but there is a reason people want to immigrate here. Our opportunity is better. For many it is opportunity to be as productive as possible and compensated for it. For others, it is opportunity to take. I think most people wish for the former. That's what it sounds like Trump was espousing yesterday. This really isn't a hard sentiment, and it should have been an easy position for the GOP - yet they managed to mangle it everytime. Then Trump.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (sX1BW)

230 Someday I would really like to learn the mystery of who created McMuffin and where they found him. Was it like something out of Sherlock Holmes' "A Study in Scarlet?" Did Romney find him at some secret mormon meeting?
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 19, 2017 01:30 PM (mynhJ)

It honestly feels like one day, Glenn Beck said "LET THERE BE EGG McMUFFIN!", and there he was.

--------------

You would have thought they could have at least found someone with hair.
==========
Lizard overlords grew him in the tharg breeding vats. Unfortunately, he is completely hairless due to a process issue. Stuck Fetzer valve.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (gGXSU)

231 Bingo.

The label "conservative" means fuck all these days. Trump's basic
instincts are pro-American, pro-Capitalist, pro-Western Values.

Does he have a soft spot for the dreamers and shit like that? Yeah.
But hey nobody's perfect. Those are outliers to an overall world view
that aligns with most of the people reading this.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:23 PM (4ugMC)

The word conservative does mean something despite the people using it in vain. And Trump has turned out to be way more naturally conservative than I expected.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (f5uaD)

232 Sometimes 2+2=4. Other times 2+2=5. And at others 2+2=POTATO.

2+2 is flexible and means what we who say what 2+2= means. Now send us money!!

Posted by: Eggy McMuphin at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (3BFzK)

233 Comparing David French to these fake conservatives is fair only if you are talking strictly politics. French served time in
Iraq. That should count for something -even though I agree he
is apparently just another GOPe stooge.

Posted by: Glenn John at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (LilNs)

234 Q: Where does pastrami come from?

Hint: don't say the deli...
Posted by: simplemind

Ummmm....it's Jewish corned beef with east European spices?

Why do I think there's punishment for a wrong answer and no reward for a right one?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (fuK7c)

235 Pastrami comes from magical Eastern Europa Jewish Elves who gave such a heavenly food for us Gentiles to savor.

Posted by: Archer at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (gbWkA)

236 Al Czervik pissed in Conservatism, Inc.'s punchbowl.

This may be the most insightful comment about 2016 ever.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (B+qrE)

237 Isn't it awesome how the (leftist) media gets to decide for the rest of us who is a "conservative" (Rubin, McMuffin, Frum, etc.) and who's opinion (#SalonHot25) we should listen to?

It's helpful and instructive to know who I should be ignoring.

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (NYS7S)

238 228 PJW is awesome, red-pilling the youngsters like a boss.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 01:41 PM (W+vEI)

And PJW keeps it short, unlike TL;DR, who'll go on for up to 3 hours sometimes.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (CMbMd)

239 The first mistake is believing any of them have something authoratatively useful to state.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (c6HAO)

240 People like Frum, Brooks, Krystol, Hayes, Podhoretz, Rubin and Mona Charen don't *really* hate Trump. Yeah, they think he's low-born, crude, sloppy and tasteless. They probably think he's stupid--or at least uneducated.
But they don't hate him.
They hate the people who voted for him.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (7uYFy)

241 95% of the national review bath house boys have blocked me, mostly for reminding them that 'conservative' means resistance to progressives, which is who they are. Liars.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 01:43 PM (eO5CB)

242 A smoker

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2017 01:41 PM

not a joker or a midnight toker?

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 19, 2017 01:43 PM (ZQfW9)

243 I guess the tax bill can't be that bad if people and scrunts like Pelosi are freaking out about it.
But I guess I'm not a true conservative because I am not tired of winning enough.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at December 19, 2017 01:43 PM (ILitO)

244 211 Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 01:39 PM (NYS7S)

Very much so, I was fighting against trump tooth and nail and my follower base was 40/40/20

for trump, hated trump, indifferent to trump....

I explained to Trump super fan that I preferred Cruz, and told the NT militia I'd back whomever won the primary.

Thank God the majority of the party backed him and we sniped off some Barney Zanders Bros and Reagan Donks.

Literally, thank God.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:43 PM (SzZnW)

245 232 Sometimes 2+2=4. Other times 2+2=5. And at others 2+2=POTATO.

2+2 is flexible and means what we who say what 2+2= means. Now send us money!!
Posted by: Eggy McMuphin at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (3BFzK)

Shut it, Filthy Kuffar!

2+2=ALLAHU AKBAR!

Posted by: President Tayyip Recep Erdogan at December 19, 2017 01:44 PM (CMbMd)

246 All modern Pastrami is imitation Pastrami.

The Pastrami were hunted to extinction shortly after we opened the West.

Posted by: garrett at December 19, 2017 01:44 PM (Gq+3m)

247 And every victory, big and small, that Trump wins makes people like Frum and Rubin and the rest die a little inside.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2017 01:44 PM (7uYFy)

248 Another reason I was all in for Trump, he had all the right enemies.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 19, 2017 01:44 PM (3BFzK)

249 231
The word conservative does mean something despite the people using it in vain. And Trump has turned out to be way more naturally conservative than I expected.
Posted by: redbanzai at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (f5uaD)

See, that there is the beauty of Trump.... no nuance, no triangulation, he just is what he is.... for good or ill, (and I say good) with him you know what you are getting.

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:44 PM (pL6Vz)

250 Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (7uYFy)

Goldberg
French
Williamson
Potemra
Baseball Crank
and even Cooke who is at least trying to redeem himself

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 01:45 PM (eO5CB)

251 Even Charles Cooke peppered his piece with the usual anti Trump diatribes.

He mostly disagrees with their disingenuity, not their arguments.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2017 01:45 PM (c6HAO)

252 172 ..."Oh, that's right, Frum's got quite the discerning eye when it comes to the sartorial splendor of a well pressed pants crease.

Good to know I have someone I can talk to when I need a judgement call on the crease in a pair of pants."
-Posted by: Blake at December 19, 2017 01:31 PM (IlV2p)

That was David Brooks.

Same flavor.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 01:33 PM (Ckg4U)

----------------------------------------

Well, phooey. A perfectly good rant pointed at the wrong person. Though, these days, I'm having trouble telling any of these people apart.

Posted by: Blake at December 19, 2017 01:45 PM (IlV2p)

253 Cooke's article is great, but right at the end, he slips in a sneering characterization of Trump--"the American Right is too complicated and interesting a force to be ruined or consumed by a single preposterous president''--which seems gratuitous and needlessly limits his audience.

Posted by: m at December 19, 2017 01:45 PM (sVFZk)

254 George Will was anti-Reagan"

To a point, yes. GW did some GOP work in the election of '80, but was never on the RWR bandwagon. Post Reagan, little Willie was as "conservative" as John "Maverick" McCain...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 19, 2017 01:45 PM (MINbv)

255 >>>>I do wonder where McMullin came from as well. Never even heard of him
until he became the Nevertrumper's Great White Hope last year. Total
nobody. Nothing he's said since then has been worth a warmed over turd.
.
.
.He was invented by the RNC and DNC as a last ditch make sure Trump can't win the Presidency. He was created out of whole cloth and was designed to appeal to Libertarians and give the #neverTrumpers someone other than hillary to vote for.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 19, 2017 01:45 PM (+Dllb)

256 Guess who the last president in the book is? Hint: Not Trump.

+++

They have to go back

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at December 19, 2017 01:46 PM (v4Yuj)

257 Trump can dance around with a pussy hat on his head and he would still be more conservative than Team NeverTrump.

Posted by: William Eaton at December 19, 2017 01:46 PM (MuTTO)

258 251 Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2017 01:45 PM (c6HAO)

He's angry at Jen for being horrible at being Never Trump....

Chaz hasn't changed his mind yet.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:46 PM (SzZnW)

259 Comparing David French to these fake conservatives is fair only if you are talking strictly politics. French served time in
Iraq. That should count for something -even though I agree he
is apparently just another GOPe stooge.

Posted by: Glenn John at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (LilNs)

And Benedict Arnold was a good soldier. I guess that counts for something....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2017 01:46 PM (7uYFy)

260 Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:43 PM (SzZnW)

Pretty much how I fell-down as well. To say that PDJT has exceeded my hopes would be an understatement.

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 01:47 PM (NYS7S)

261 Ummmm....it's Jewish corned beef with east European spices?

Why do I think there's punishment for a wrong answer and no reward for a right one?

Posted by: Bandersnatch
=========
Just an opportunity for bonus points.

However, like all extra credit outside of the public school system, some effort was required.

I don't think I can give you much credit for that answer.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 01:47 PM (hBpYH)

262 The word conservative does mean something despite the people using it in vain. And Trump has turned out to be way more naturally conservative than I expected.
Posted by: redbanzai at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (f5uaD)

He's had a whole pile of progressives talk nothing but idiotic smack about him, he's got this yuuuuuge ego, and a pretty good memory for who said and did what, admires and appreciates loyalty, and hates disloyalty.

You could not pick a better way to ensure his reactions than to treat him as an idiot and traitor. He'll fuck your shit up.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 19, 2017 01:47 PM (CPk08)

263
Both statements are somewhat true - though the latter is more about we need more people. Doesn't mean we should accept them, but there is a reason people want to immigrate here. Our opportunity is better. For many it is opportunity to be as productive as possible and compensated for it. For others, it is opportunity to take. I think most people wish for the former. That's what it sounds like Trump was espousing yesterday. This really isn't a hard sentiment, and it should have been an easy position for the GOP - yet they managed to mangle it everytime. Then Trump.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (sX1BW)

What utter horseshit. Guess you're a fan of amnesty too.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2017 01:47 PM (cAnNx)

264 The actors portraying secret agents aren't really secret agents.

These writers portraying conservatives aren't really conservatives.

But they are all sucking the producers' dicks.

Posted by: Spotswoode at December 19, 2017 01:47 PM (vPD1C)

265 254 Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 19, 2017 01:45 PM (MINbv)

I think he was a conservative right until around 1996, when he decided to go full Bush.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:47 PM (SzZnW)

266 I take offense in proxy for mindless robots everywhere. The comparison to Rubin is hateful and my robot friends would be crying if they had tear ducts.

Posted by: Dude what takes offense in proxy at December 19, 2017 01:47 PM (t41dG)

267 In a sense Will is right about illegals. They do come here and work. But they also bring their kids or have several kids here who get a fuck ton of welfare. If I could just get the illegals here on their own without any kids, I wouldn't mind so much.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:48 PM (4ugMC)

268 "Oh, that's right, Frum's got quite the discerning eye when it comes to the sartorial splendor of a well pressed pants crease.

Good to know I have someone I can talk to when I need a judgement call on the crease in a pair of pants."

-Posted by: Blake at December 19, 2017 01:31 PM (IlV2p)

That was David Brooks.

I too get them mixed up. Which one was the aficionado of exotic sounding deli meats?

Posted by: tu3031 at December 19, 2017 01:48 PM (O5Q3r)

269 255 He was invented by the RNC and DNC as a last ditch make sure Trump can't win the Presidency. He was created out of whole cloth and was designed to appeal to Libertarians and give the #neverTrumpers someone other than hillary to vote for.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 19, 2017 01:45 PM (+Dllb)

Just how badly did Gary "What's a leppo?" Johnson blow it that they had to dig Egg McMuffin out of whatever closet they had him hanging up in?

Posted by: President Tayyip Recep Erdogan at December 19, 2017 01:48 PM (CMbMd)

270 >>And PJW keeps it short, unlike TL;DR, who'll go on for up to 3 hours sometimes.

It's people like PJW, Milo, Crowder, and even PewdiePie who are getting through to people who have been put off by the GOPe establishment types just as much as the Left. A teen isn't going to read Frum in the Atlantic and be sold - he's going to laugh at a silly SJW take-down by Crowder and learn some debate methods and alternative facts/ideas in the process.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 01:48 PM (W+vEI)

271 Why was I initially anti-Trump? Because I didn't think he could beat Hillary. My most core value is stopping the long march through the institutions and the incultration of the far left and permanent cementing of the deep state.

How anyone doesn't get that protecting the nation from the global redistributionist collectivists (and what's that another name for, class?) is not only not a conservative, he/she isn't aware or is a leftist themselves.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 01:48 PM (eO5CB)

272 Off, Turkish Bastard Sock.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 19, 2017 01:48 PM (CMbMd)

273 Jen Rubin is a real conservative and clear and consistent thinker.

Tip your waiter. I'll be in the Catskills all week long.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at December 19, 2017 01:48 PM (3BFzK)

274 Actually, no, Chris. Trump's clear interests, however malleable he is on infrastructure and healthcare, are on globalization and immigration. If he crawfishes there he isn't just a guaranteed one term president, he may not get through 2018 alive.

Now, immigration may not strictly matter to the working class Dems that generally identified more with Sanders. But it sure as hell matters to Soros and the other puppetmasters. That elite opinion feted Clinton and protected him from his otherwise ruinous appetites and violations of the law (from which he was disbarred, btw). I think Trump might actually forgive the Dems, even now, if they decide to take his agenda seriously. But they can't afford to: aside from the fact their own base would eat them alive, elite opinion would just go to Bloomberg or some other Macron style patsy.

Whatever else can be said of Trump, he resembles Bill Clinton only superficially. When it comes to their actual import for the American working class, they are night and day.

Posted by: trev006 at December 19, 2017 01:48 PM (jRA31)

275 Where does pastrami come from?

A smoker

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at
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I have a feeling you would make a good neighbor.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 01:49 PM (cvp/5)

276
The label "conservative" means fuck all these days. Trump's basic instincts are pro-American, pro-Capitalist, pro-Western Values.

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And genuinely pro-Israel. It must be killing the purple-lipped dogeater to watch Trump forge such a close relationship with the country Obama worked so hard to destroy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 19, 2017 01:49 PM (pjGyP)

277 Cooke is just another reason I stopped visiting NRO a long time ago. They are a bunch of progressive zealots cloaking themselves in falsehoods.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2017 01:49 PM (c6HAO)

278 "All modern Pastrami is imitation Pastrami.
The Pastrami were hunted to extinction shortly after we opened the West."
-Posted by: garrett at December 19, 2017 01:44 PM (Gq+3m)

This shall be a trying time in These Great United States of America.

As we mourn what once was, we should also embrace what is.

Our modern artisans have hand-crafted "Smoked Meat" sammiches with little more than brisket, salt, water, coriander, pepper and love.

Might we all spill a little mustard for the fallen hordes of Pastrami that used to roam The Western Plane.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 01:49 PM (Ckg4U)

279 *raises hand tentatively*

So...ummm...where does pastrami come from?

[btw, garret's hunted to extinction comment is the threadwinner for me]

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 19, 2017 01:49 PM (fuK7c)

280 267 Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:48 PM (4ugMC)

The "newer better Americans" have not had "the benefit" of being taught by their education to hate babies....

so they come here and as people do when flush with success and bearing a healthy mind they produce "the next generation".

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:49 PM (SzZnW)

281 Guess you're a fan of amnesty too.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2017 01:47 PM (cAnNx)

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Not what I said at all, but oh well.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:49 PM (sX1BW)

282 He was created out of whole cloth and was designed to appeal to Libertarians and give the #neverTrumpers someone other than Hillary to vote for.

No, he was put out there as Hillary's stalking horse in Utah to keep it out of Trump's electoral column. You know, when all the geniuses told us that the election was going to be blow out.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 19, 2017 01:50 PM (gCJeK)

283 That was David Brooks.

I too get them mixed up. Which one was the aficionado of exotic sounding deli meats?
Posted by: tu3031 at December 19, 2017 01:48 PM (O5Q3r)

I believe it was Frum. So, I suppose change pants crease to sammich and you're good to go.

But, as I said a bit ago, the Frums and Brooks of the world are starting to all look the same.

Posted by: Blake at December 19, 2017 01:50 PM (IlV2p)

284 Comparing David French to these fake conservatives is fair only if you are talking strictly politics. French served time in
Iraq. That should count for something -even though I agree he
is apparently just another GOPe stooge.

Posted by: Glenn John at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (LilNs)

___

John Kerry served "honorably" as well. As did Charles Rangel. And lets' not forget Ted The Swimmer was in the army as well.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:51 PM (4ugMC)

285 Where does pastrami come from?

++++

First you have to know where Rami is.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at December 19, 2017 01:51 PM (v4Yuj)

286
Where does pastrami come from?

Well when a mommy pastrami and a daddy pastrami love each other very much a stork brings them a baby pastrami

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2017 01:51 PM (493sH)

287 Why does Cooke think Trump is "preposterous?" Is it the hair? The tweeting? His bombast and bragging? Does it not matter that he gets results?
We've had presidents who owned slaves, drank heavily, fucked everything that moved, had press conferences while seated on the toilet, raped and molested interns and did everything they could to destroy the nation they were elected to serve---and Trump is "preposterous?"

Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2017 01:51 PM (7uYFy)

288 David French, David Frum, and David Brooks, which one is Lucky Pierre?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 19, 2017 01:52 PM (3BFzK)

289 Seriously though. Pastrami is what happens when a salami and a tri-tip go on a date and have way too much to drink.

Posted by: Meat Missile at December 19, 2017 01:52 PM (t41dG)

290 >>>I think he was a conservative right until around 1996, when he decided to go full Bush.
.
.
.Never go full bush.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 19, 2017 01:53 PM (+Dllb)

291 Q: Where does pastrami come from?
............

Food stamps.

Posted by: Obama Voter at December 19, 2017 01:53 PM (HgMAr)

292 I guess if your politics are wrong then having bullets fly past your head fighting for your country counts for
nothing (at least in case of David French). Obama and the Democrats are traitors. Don't think I would put French in that group.

Posted by: Glenn John at December 19, 2017 01:53 PM (LilNs)

293 281
Guess you're a fan of amnesty too.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2017 01:47 PM (cAnNx)

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Not what I said at all, but oh well.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:49 PM (sX1BW)

What's that, illegals??
What we need is a full stop to being overrun by people willy-nilly coming into the country and creating a net drain on the economy.... I do think there are people here who can hang drywall, after all, and at some point we have had enough new ethnic restaurants, staffed by sketchy cousins.

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:54 PM (pL6Vz)

294 Vichy Conservatives.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 19, 2017 01:54 PM (oVJmc)

295 Trump is preposterous because unlike a good like Jeb/Marco he doesn't ask how high when the MSM says jumps.

That's what it all comes down to. These asswipes were used to dictating to the GOPe what to do. Trump doesn't give a fuck what they say or think. And that is why they hate him, more so than any policy of Trump's.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:54 PM (4ugMC)

296 290 Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 19, 2017 01:53 PM (+Dllb)

NOW YOU TELL ME

//Ray Maddow

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 01:55 PM (SzZnW)

297 Color me shocked, Pro-american values, Patriotic, dyed in the wool businessman that loves his country (warts and all) is at his core conservative. Say it aint so. Masks are falling all around. Praise God For Donald Trump. My the Lord look down and bless America and all that she stands for.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at December 19, 2017 01:55 PM (0OmEj)

298 I prefer pimento loaf.

Posted by: Evan McMullin at December 19, 2017 01:55 PM (HgMAr)

299 First you have to know where Rami is.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at December 19, 2017 01:51 PM (v4Yuj)

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At the gunstore.

One of my FAVORATE DA/SA pistols is the CZ 2075 Rami... the CCW version of the CZ 75.

Acurate... concealable... 14 rounds. One of my favorite carry peices.

I prefer the D version.... with decocker rather than safety.

There..... Ive successfully turned a Jen Rubin thread into a GUNZ thread.

You're welcome.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 01:55 PM (8XRCm)

300 Doesn't the AOSHQ Style Guide require "the oleaginous David Frum"?

Posted by: Furious George at December 19, 2017 01:55 PM (j+dfT)

301 "Never go full bush.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman"

Don't knock it til you try it.

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at December 19, 2017 01:55 PM (OD2ni)

302 I absolutely love how Trump has frozen out the worthless Bush family, and generally done a good job of keeping their retainers from his government. Yes, I would love it if he finshed purging Obama holdovers, but one thing at a time. There is a lot of recent damage on that front.

Posted by: trev006 at December 19, 2017 01:55 PM (jRA31)

303 Man I wish I wasn't fasting, I could really go for a massive pile of Pastrami on a marble rye, drenched in mustard with some swiss melting into it.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 01:55 PM (C6xeQ)

304 Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2017 01:51 PM (7uYFy)

I believe they just cannot get over the the person Trump was prior to being elected President.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 19, 2017 01:55 PM (qcrxS)

305 While I admire anyone who served and even more so who had bullets flying at them......that is irrelevant when it comes to politics. You could have been a very brave solider and total leftist ass in your political views. I'm not going to give extra credit to a leftist because he wore a uniform once upon a time.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:56 PM (4ugMC)

306 We only created a $137 billion hole in the budget. But you get nannies and gardeners, and cheap lettuce...oh and the entire K-12 school system dumbed down to the K-4 school system.

Trust us we will put that $137 billion back several times over.

Posted by: Illegal Aliens at December 19, 2017 01:56 PM (3BFzK)

307 Ekshully I think I knew that one. It had something to do with horses and stowing meat under saddles or something disgusting like that

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at December 19, 2017 01:56 PM (v4Yuj)

308 Doesn't the AOSHQ Style Guide require "the oleaginous David Frum"?

Posted by: Furious George
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By George I think you are right!

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 01:56 PM (C6xeQ)

309 Seeing as I cannot seem to come-up with a single item where Conservative, Inc. has been right in the last, say, 20-years I think I'm safe ignoring anything that comes out of the pieholes of Rubin, Frum, Max Boot, and anyone at NRO and WS, to name just a few.

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 01:56 PM (NYS7S)

310 >>294 Vichy Conservatives. Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 19, 2017 01:54 PM (oVJmc)

Benedict McMuffins.

Posted by: Zod at December 19, 2017 01:57 PM (Bdeb0)

311 In Waikiki a few years back, there was a restaurant near our hotel called Giovanni Pastrami and they served a Rueben that was 1/2 lb corned beef and a 1/2 lb pastrami. It was amazing. Turns out they were a pilot restaurant owned by Round Table Pizza. I called the 800 number as soon as I got back to the states to express my support.

Posted by: Johnny at December 19, 2017 01:57 PM (kUotE)

312 I think John Kennedy and Obama were "ridiculous."

So stfu Cooke.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 01:57 PM (eO5CB)

313 Vichy Conservatives.

***

So, Trump is Louis Renault?

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 01:57 PM (GEpFD)

314 they think he's low-born, crude, sloppy and tasteless. They probably think he's stupid--or at least uneducated.

-----------------------------

I hear a lot of this angle of attack on Trump. But every time I hear it, all I can think of is that King George said the exact same things about Washington, Jefferson, Adams and the rest of the rabble in the colonies.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at December 19, 2017 01:57 PM (t41dG)

315 287 Why does Cooke think Trump is "preposterous?" Is it the hair? The tweeting? His bombast and bragging? Does it not matter that he gets results?
We've had presidents who owned slaves, drank heavily, fucked everything that moved, had press conferences while seated on the toilet, raped and molested interns and did everything they could to destroy the nation they were elected to serve---and Trump is "preposterous?"
Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2017 01:51 PM (7uYFy)

Yeah, those little digs are why I can't take Cooke seriously even in this article. It's like they can't resist showing their ass, so everyone knows they aren't 'one of those Trump people'.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 01:57 PM (xJa6I)

316 David Frum is the Canadianish marshmallow, isn't he?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 19, 2017 01:58 PM (TisfY)

317 Thought it was "Enron advisor David Frum"

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 01:58 PM (eO5CB)

318 318 Thought it was "Enron advisor David Frum"
Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 01:58 PM (eO5CB)

Paul Krugman

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:58 PM (4ugMC)

319 295 Trump is preposterous because unlike a good like Jeb/Marco he doesn't ask how high when the MSM says jumps.

That's what it all comes down to. These asswipes were used to dictating to the GOPe what to do. Trump doesn't give a fuck what they say or think. And that is why they hate him, more so than any policy of Trump's.
Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:54 PM (4ugMC)

I think I can spot when I started to warm to Trump: someone here in the comments said something like "I love Trump because he makes the media eat a big bag of shit every time he talks.". and I thought: "Yeah, that's actually a very good thing...."

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at December 19, 2017 01:59 PM (CPk08)

320 But this: ""Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative." ...is just retarded.

Hold my Beer....

"We are the ones we are waiting for...."

And I wasn't even trying.

Posted by: TFG at December 19, 2017 01:59 PM (rXtxK)

321 Marble rye is a blasphemy. Full-on Pumpernickel is the true path to enlightenment.

Posted by: Archer at December 19, 2017 01:59 PM (gbWkA)

322 Frum is Canadian isn't he?

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 01:36 PM (LiyEm)

Yeah. But we got rid of him.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 19, 2017 01:59 PM (d6iST)

323 A unsatisfying post, in toto. @JRubinBlogger is an indispensable, incorruptible champion for the deep state in America. If you're not down on your knees before her already, blindfolded, sniffing her glove, I strongly recommend it.

Posted by: Evan McMuffin at December 19, 2017 01:59 PM (Astxw)

324 "Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative."

Posted by: Amy Schumer at December 19, 2017 01:59 PM (3BFzK)

325 281 Guess you're a fan of amnesty too.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2017 01:47 PM (cAnNx)

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Not what I said at all, but oh well.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:49 PM (sX1BW)

Not what George Will said either. But the intent is obvious. Yeah what he said was fairly true. But again he was saying it in the defense of illegals coming here. Trying to give mealy mouthed bullshit responses to direct questions and statements to hide the real belief. Yeah George Will is definitely a hero of yours.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2017 01:59 PM (cAnNx)

326 318 Thought it was "Enron advisor David Frum"
Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 01:58 PM (eO5CB)

Actually I'm pretty sure it's "gravy-swilling Canuck" David Frum.

Posted by: joncelli, going phalangist at December 19, 2017 01:59 PM (RD7QR)

327 318 Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 01:58 PM (eO5CB)

That's Jack "Krugaton" Klugman....

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 02:00 PM (SzZnW)

328 292 I guess if your politics are wrong then having bullets fly past your head fighting for your country counts for
nothing (at least in case of David French). Obama and the Democrats are traitors. Don't think I would put French in that group.

Posted by: Glenn John at December 19, 2017 01:53 PM (LilNs)

You get that the army lawyers very rarely see bullets? Right? Happens sometimes, but JAG officers aren't EXACTLY on the very front lines.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:00 PM (eO5CB)

329 Cooke is a typical English literati... unable to resist being supercilious... their little glib snarky affectations often undercut their points.

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 02:00 PM (pL6Vz)

330 "To immigrate is an entrepreneurial act."

That doesn't make it moral. And the ways the Dems, illegals and CoC is running this, it's positively immoral. And what is immoral ought to be shut down, not made the rule of law.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 19, 2017 02:00 PM (/qEW2)

331 corned beef for a better sandwich

Posted by: x at December 19, 2017 02:00 PM (nFwvY)

332 I guess if your politics are wrong then having bullets fly past your head fighting for your country counts for nothing (at least in case of David French).

US Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA)
4 (I believe) tours in Iraq
Rock-solid leftist POS in CONgress who voted to IMPEACH because he's butt-hurt St. Hillary lost

Just saying.

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 02:00 PM (NYS7S)

333 300 First you have to know where Rami is.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at December 19, 2017 01:51 PM (v4Yuj)

-----

At the gunstore.

One of my FAVORATE DA/SA pistols is the CZ 2075 Rami... the CCW version of the CZ 75.

Acurate... concealable... 14 rounds. One of my favorite carry peices.

I prefer the D version.... with decocker rather than safety.

There..... Ive successfully turned a Jen Rubin thread into a GUNZ thread.

You're welcome.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 01:55 PM (8XRCm)

CZ makes good guns. Never tried their compact models, though. I like the 17 rounds in the full size 75. With an all-steel gun, I'm not convinced I'm getting anything by going small.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 02:00 PM (xJa6I)

334 Enron Advisor Paul Krugman

Canadian David Frum

Cock Sucking Egg McMuffin

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:00 PM (4ugMC)

335 In Waikiki a few years back, there was a restaurant near our hotel called Giovanni Pastrami and they served a Rueben that was 1/2 lb corned beef and a 1/2 lb pastrami. It was amazing. Turns out they were a pilot restaurant owned by Round Table Pizza. I called the 800 number as soon as I got back to the states to express my support.
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There's a lesson here 'ettes. The things that excite a moron are: boobs and sandwiches. Sometimes not in that order.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 02:01 PM (C6xeQ)

336 Actually I'm pretty sure it's "gravy-swilling Canuck" David Frum.

Are we to resolve the Reuben Wars only to initiate the Poutine Wars?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 19, 2017 02:01 PM (fuK7c)

337 You're welcome.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 01:55 PM (8XRCm)

My CZ 75 B is the best handgun I've ever owned. I'm frickin' Wild Bill Hickok with that pistol.

Posted by: troyriser at December 19, 2017 02:01 PM (raGQi)

338 312
In Waikiki a few years back, there was a restaurant near our hotel
called Giovanni Pastrami and they served a Rueben that was 1/2 lb corned
beef and a 1/2 lb pastrami. It was amazing. Turns out they were a pilot
restaurant owned by Round Table Pizza. I called the 800 number as soon
as I got back to the states to express my support.

Posted by: Johnny at December 19, 2017 01:57 PM (kUotE)

On Lewers Street. Damned good. I ate there often.

Posted by: davidt at December 19, 2017 02:02 PM (vPD1C)

339 Point of order, Glenn: French was a JAG lawyer in Iraq. I would cut him some slack if he was a medic, logistics officer, hell any duty you can think of. Top out as a major doing something useful? Good dude. Lawyer? Back of the line for applause, but I have no reason to be hostile. Betray your country for a pat on the head from the FAB? Stop asking for respect.

Posted by: trev006 at December 19, 2017 02:02 PM (jRA31)

340 Poutine BITCH. I swill poutine!!!

Posted by: David Frum at December 19, 2017 02:02 PM (3BFzK)

341 "Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative."

I suppose murdering the English language as well as ignoring the basic meaning of words are requirements for membership in Conservative, Inc. these days.

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 02:02 PM (NYS7S)

342 Oh, that's right, Klugman. Got my idiot economists mixed. I have an undergrad and a masters in econ as well as an MBA. Econ is a "pretend" social science, like climate change. Garbage in, garbage out. You can make an argument in almost any direction you want to go by adding and subtracting data and models. The only thing that really matters is an idea about what has happened before. The market is only slightly predictible.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:03 PM (eO5CB)

343 I think I can spot when I started to warm to Trump: someone here in the comments said something like "I love Trump because he makes the media eat a big bag of shit every time he talks.". and I thought: "Yeah, that's actually a very good thing...."
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In

I came around on him early after watching rallies. He opened every rally by calling the media lying assholes and scum.

Posted by: x at December 19, 2017 02:03 PM (nFwvY)

344 Another discerning must-read by David Frum: "Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative."
===========================

Sin is anything that goes against my values. Christianity is what Christians think, say and do. As Christianity changes, so does what it means to be a Christian.

Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:04 PM (lwiT4)

345 Charlie Rangel served honorably in the Korean War and received a bronze star for valor and a purple heart.

Doesn't change anything he's done since then though.

Posted by: John Marston at December 19, 2017 02:04 PM (SkuXa)

346 >>325 "Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative."

This "conservatism c'est moi" bullshit attitude is what angers so many people who are perfectly capable of seeing the world as it is. They're unimpressed by this self-selected class of sniffing, political Pythonesses who see as their job the contemptuous dictation of 'conservative' precepts to a gaggle of gormless rubes.

Fuck them. Fuck Jen Rubin especially.

Posted by: Zod at December 19, 2017 02:04 PM (Bdeb0)

347 Paul Krugman
Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:58 PM (4ugMC)

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"A Trump victory will so demoralize our markets it will set back the economy for a decade. We may never recover".

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:04 PM (8XRCm)

348 Yeah, and when French was lawyering in Iraq, he put more restrictions on his wife than Mike Pence puts on himself.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:04 PM (eO5CB)

349 I came around on him early after watching rallies. He opened every rally by calling the media lying assholes and scum.
Posted by: x at December 19, 2017 02:03 PM (nFwvY)

-------------------------------

For me, it was "All the right enemies."

Posted by: Blake at December 19, 2017 02:04 PM (IlV2p)

350 Conservative = Losing gracefully and not making waves

Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:04 PM (lKmt3)

351 Still liking those pants ceases. you get a better view on your knees gobbling teh magiq negro's press boner.

Posted by: David Brooks at December 19, 2017 02:04 PM (3BFzK)

352 Sin is anything that goes against my values. Christianity is what Christians think, say and do. As Christianity changes, so does what it means to be a Christian.

Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:04 PM (lwiT4)

The Episcopagans have that sewn embroidered on pillows.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (eO5CB)

353 Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change...so does what it mean to be a conservative."
=========
How to change the meaning of words.

See Lie. Fraud. The word didn't "evolve" those people evolved out from under the word.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (C6xeQ)

354 One of the most irritating aspects of the resistance shit storm has been the rise of McMuffin as a public figure. How is this guy getting extra minutes in the public limelight after his 15 useful anti-Trump spoiler minutes were used up at the end of the campaign.

Posted by: Keith at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (USf3s)

355 348

Paul Krugman
Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:58 PM (4ugMC)

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"A Trump victory will so demoralize our markets it will set back the economy for a decade. We may never recover".
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:04 PM (8XRCm)

So... what any 19 ear old Prog sophmore would say.... check...

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (pL6Vz)

356 Well,IIRC Ben Franklin was all for being a good subject and getting the colonies concerns dealt with legally.Than he went to parliament and they treated him like he was backwoods trash...

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (LiyEm)

357 I came around on him early after watching rallies. He opened every rally by calling the media lying assholes and scum.

Posted by: x at December 19, 2017 02:03 PM (nFwvY)

And those are their good points

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (493sH)

358 Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:03 PM (eO5CB)

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Heh. Same boat here, econ degree and MBA (although in MIS which is kind of a fake MBA lol). But even though you're right, you can make an argument for any position, it is useful in understanding how the economy works. The lack of basic economic 101 understanding in the general public infuriates me. Which is why people believe Bernie's bullshit.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (4ugMC)

359 Just embroidered. yikes

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (eO5CB)

360 "A Trump victory will so demoralize our markets it will set back the economy for a decade. We may never recover".

***

Ah, yes, the same economy that was so rip-roaring under Bathhouse Barry.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:07 PM (GEpFD)

361 "Conservatism is what conservatives think,say,and do."

Yeah, After watching them bend over backwards and forwards in efforts to get Hillary Clinton elected I can say with happiness in my heart that I am so glad that I am not one of those.

When Trump goes, so do i. Like Shane riding off into the sunset.

Posted by: Drider at December 19, 2017 02:07 PM (HdKKm)

362 12
If Trump tweeted puppies are cute, these cretins would ask why does Trump hate kittens?

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 01:07 PM (4ugMC)

Trump hates kittens?!??!?
25th Amendment!!! Eleventy!!11!!!

Posted by: Insane, deranged, SJW dumbass at December 19, 2017 02:07 PM (8iiMU)

363 >>The Episcopagans have that sewn embroidered on pillows. Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (eO5CB)

Factionalism and community-of-faith fissures are timeless and satisfactory.

Posted by: Zod at December 19, 2017 02:07 PM (Bdeb0)

364 You guys. I swear "Lisa from State College Pennsylvania" isn't me. (on Rush)

#SameName #SameTown

Posted by: Roxanne, Roxanne (I just realized it's supposed to be Rochelle, Rochelle from Seinfeld) at December 19, 2017 02:07 PM (w8mVy)

365 "A Trump victory will so demoralize our markets it will set back the economy for a decade. We may never recover".

***

Ah, yes, the same economy that was so rip-roaring under Bathhouse Barry.

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Turns out the Obama era may have been a good buying opportunity.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:07 PM (sX1BW)

366 "Why does Cooke think Trump is "preposterous?" Is it the hair? The
tweeting? His bombast and bragging? Does it not matter that he gets
results?

Posted by: JoeF"

He does not have the gravitas and leadership skills like, say, Jeb!

Posted by: Ripley at December 19, 2017 02:08 PM (MxEKc)

367 Sin is anything that goes against my values. Christianity is what Christians think, say and do. As Christianity changes, so does what it means to be a Christian.

Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:04 PM (lwiT4)

The first sentence, didn't Barry say that?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2017 02:08 PM (493sH)

368 "Not what George Will said either. But the intent is obvious. Yeah what he said was fairly true. But again he was saying it in the defense of illegals coming here. Trying to give mealy mouthed bullshit responses to direct questions and statements to hide the real belief. Yeah George Will is definitely a hero of yours."
-Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2017 01:59 PM (cAnNx)

I don't think you try to be a dick, but you achieve it, at times, effortlessly.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:08 PM (Ckg4U)

369 Turns out the Obama era may have been a good buying opportunity.

***

To say nothing of bi-ing.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:09 PM (GEpFD)

370 The worst NeverTrump stupidity was - with a straight face - saying voting 3rd party wasn't really a vote for Hillary. They really think you - their reader - is that stupid.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:09 PM (4ugMC)

371 I have to say I stand in awe of the world eclipsing stupidity of tentacle porn boy selling all of the stocks in his kids educational accounts because trump got elected. Then tweeting everyone else should do the same.

Some people really should be allowed to pretend they are adults. Its dangerous.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 02:09 PM (C6xeQ)

372 359 >>>>>>287 Why does Cooke think Trump is "preposterous?" Is it the hair? The tweeting? His bombast and bragging? Does it not matter that he gets results?
We've had presidents who owned slaves, drank heavily, fucked everything that moved, had press conferences while seated on the toilet, raped and molested interns and did everything they could to destroy the nation they were elected to serve---and Trump is "preposterous?"
Posted by: JoeF. at December 19, 2017 01:51 PM (7uYFy)

It's virtue signalling to be accepted amongst his peers (both "conservative" and liberal). He's saying "even though I'm saying something slightly in favor of Trump, we all know Trump is the worst human being ever to have lived, so don't think I like him, respect him, or want to see him re-elected".

It's the same way Jonah Goldberg always wrote glowing niceties about liberal writers at places like The Nation - even while those writers routinely wrote nasty things about Goldberg and other conservatives. A liberal writer like Matt Yglesis could literally write something like "Jonah Goldberg is a racist, self-hating jew who wants to see women enslaved, raped and then killed" and Jonah would retort with something like "Matt Yglesis is a smart and honorable guy who is really reasonable, but I think he's wrong when he calls me a racist" (and I'm being serious here - go back about 10 years and read exchanges he had with different liberal writers in the Corner - I used to be appalled at it then). You have to show you can still be invited to the right parties.

the last generation of "conservative" pundits were trained that decorum and remaining "above the fray" were more important than winning arguments or defending yourself. Which is another reason they find Trump so deplorable. They can't understand the instinct to fight back. They gave that instinct up long ago.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (3ZtZW)

We need conservative pundits that will break a pool cue and jab Matt Y with the jagged end.

Metaphorically.

Mostly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 02:09 PM (xJa6I)

373 If the Dems went into shock on Nov. 8 2016, the GOPe's like Cooke and Kristol got a double whammy when their beloved Jeb! the clear favorite going into 2016 got his ass kicked by Trump and then won what they swore he couldn't do - win the general election.

It's like Dodger fans being so sure the Dodgers would win the Division and then the WS that they bet their homes and life savings on it - and then the Padres, the team they were laughing at on opening day, take the Division instead and go on to win the WS.

Admittedly, it's not a very good analogy because once the Padres won the Division, even Padres-haters would have to admit they had a chance to win the WS, while Trump-haters never once considered the possibility that he could win. (Quite honestly, neither did I.)

The media, including the GOPe media, cannot forgive Trump for not only making them eat all their mocking, sneering words on Election night, but for rubbing a bushel basket full of salt in their wounds afterward.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 19, 2017 02:09 PM (ZM2xo)

374 I saw at Legal Insurrection that "the resistance" now believe Jill Stein was another Russian agent working to get Trump elected...

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 02:10 PM (LiyEm)

375 US Rep. Seth Moulton"

Also known for trying to foist the choo choo on Texas.
Guy has issues.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 19, 2017 02:10 PM (6SSjy)

376 Not what I said at all, but oh well.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 01:49 PM (sX1BW)

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Doesn't mean we should accept them, but there is a reason people want to immigrate here. Our opportunity is better. For many it is opportunity to be as productive as possible and compensated for it. For others, it is opportunity to take. I think most people wish for the former.

I see how you nuance your statement, but the problem is how the system is run.

The "good" illegals will be given special government aid and taxpayer funds to help them get a start here. The SBA *explicitly* discriminates against certain groups in order to favor politically correct groups. Government policy as it is now, is to screw over the interests of their own citizens.

Why not just allow citizens to keep more of their own resources so that they can become entrepreneurs, instead of *hobbling* them and benefitting people who are not even citizens?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 19, 2017 02:10 PM (/qEW2)

377 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 02:09 PM (xJa6I)

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They think it's still 1957 and we're having the great debates in weekly periodicals.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:10 PM (4ugMC)

378 The media, including the GOPe media, cannot forgive Trump for not only making them eat all their mocking, sneering words on Election night, but for rubbing a bushel basket full of salt in their wounds afterward.

***

It wasn't so much "rubbing" as "loading a shotgun with rock salt and shooting them square in the huevos."

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:10 PM (GEpFD)

379 Its too bad, the GOP couldn't have slipped in a PP defunding provision in this tax bill. Would have been a cherry on top of a very good bill.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:11 PM (sX1BW)

380 All things being equal other than one served honorably and in a combat zone and one did not serve at all, I will give the one who served honorably the benefit of the doubt that he loves his country.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 19, 2017 02:11 PM (qcrxS)

381 Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (4ugMC)

Which is why my best argument with them is to ask them where rich people keep their money? Scrooge McDuck's vault?

It's THE MOST BASIC mis- or not-understanding of the economy because the left has worked so hard at painting "the rich" and "corporations" as scrooge mcduck. Class envy >>>>the revolution.

But they've marched through the institutions and most people have been completely convinced that it's "the rich" who are the "bad" guys because Scrooge McDuck.

I'm about half way to writing a book explaining why the left's Scrooge McDuck economic model is bullshit. Amazon would reject it though.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:11 PM (eO5CB)

382 >>>106 Charles Cooke is coming back to reality.

A Never Trumper, he has to reject that mindless position and get himself grounded back in reality: Trump is proving to be a Great President of consequence. Trump is Making America Great Again.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 19, 2017 01:23 PM (7ClUK)

missing sarc tag

Posted by: m at December 19, 2017 02:11 PM (sVFZk)

383 376 I saw at Legal Insurrection that "the resistance" now believe Jill Stein was another Russian agent working to get Trump elected...

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 02:10 PM (LiyEm)

That's hilarious. Stein is to the left of Mao.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 19, 2017 02:11 PM (ZM2xo)

384 I saw at Legal Insurrection that "the resistance" now believe Jill Stein was another Russian agent working to get Trump elected...
Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 02:10 PM (LiyEm)

Wait what?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 19, 2017 02:11 PM (mf5HN)

385 "Why does Cooke think Trump is "preposterous?" Is it the hair? The tweeting? His bombast and bragging? Does it not matter that he gets results?

Posted by: JoeF"

During the primary he was on MeAgain's show. He compared Trump to Rodrick Spode. She didn't know what he was talking about. He explained he was a character from the PG Wodehouse Jeeves books who was full of bluster but had no real issues or anything to say so he went on about knees and root vegetables. MeAgain still had no clue

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2017 02:12 PM (493sH)

386 Since nobody else has....

I saw Ruben And McMullin open up for Guns 'N Roses in Seattle, circa 1991.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:12 PM (4ugMC)

387 >>It wasn't so much "rubbing" as "loading a shotgun with rock salt and shooting them square in the huevos." Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:10 PM (GEpFD)

Hey, Hillary?

Let THAT sink in.

Posted by: Zod at December 19, 2017 02:12 PM (Bdeb0)

388 Why not just allow citizens to keep more of their own resources so that they can become entrepreneurs, instead of *hobbling* them and benefitting people who are not even citizens?

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I'm all for that. And while we are at it, I'm all in favor of eliminating welfare.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:12 PM (sX1BW)

389 I saw at Legal Insurrection that "the resistance" now believe Jill Stein was another Russian agent working to get Trump elected...

***

Well, at least they're trying to explain what it is that Russia is supposed to have done to "rig" the election. That's progress of a sort.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:12 PM (GEpFD)

390 Hey, anyone one know what happened to ultra-conservative truth-teller tweeter Louise Mensch?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 02:12 PM (W+vEI)

391 376 I saw at Legal Insurrection that "the resistance" now believe Jill Stein was another Russian agent working to get Trump elected...
Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 02:10 PM (LiyEm)

She needs to keep an eye out for Russians with ice axes.

Posted by: joncelli, going phalangist at December 19, 2017 02:12 PM (RD7QR)

392 383 All things being equal other than one served honorably and in a combat zone and one did not serve at all, I will give the one who served honorably the benefit of the doubt that he loves his country.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 19, 2017 02:11 PM (qcrxS)

He didn't love it enough to want to keep Hillary from destroying it.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:12 PM (eO5CB)

393 376 I saw at Legal Insurrection that "the resistance" now believe Jill
Stein was another Russian agent working to get Trump elected...

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 02:10 PM (LiyEm)

With Sanders?

Posted by: davidt at December 19, 2017 02:13 PM (vPD1C)

394 393 Hey, anyone one know what happened to ultra-conservative truth-teller tweeter Louise Mensch?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 02:12 PM (W+vEI)

Narcosis of the blood?

Brain tumor?

Early onset senility?

Drugs? I'm going to bet drugs.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 02:13 PM (xJa6I)

395 Some people really should be allowed to pretend they are adults. Its dangerous.
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NOT should be in there somewhere.

Blood sugar dropping quickly. . .

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 02:14 PM (C6xeQ)

396 Commie Che lover Rapone had a CIB so he is also a true patriot...

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 02:14 PM (LiyEm)

397 Good grief, once again, the lovely Trish Regan and the intermittent tools on FBN are bitching and moaning about the carried interest deduction not being eliminated. WTF??!?

Go back later and kill the damned thing.

I'm not sure this deduction is the hill to fight on today.
I find it weird that FBN is trying to make this an issue.
Are they burnishing their populist street cred?

Oh, and Trishy-baby is wearing a black top.

Posted by: Anchorbabe fashion cop at December 19, 2017 02:14 PM (8iiMU)

398 Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (eO5CB)

It's too long to fit on a pillow. Liberal Episcopalians say "Jesus would have voted Democratic". Of course every other leftist branch of faith traditions say the same thing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2017 02:14 PM (8+Ozj)

399 Hey, anyone one know what happened to ultra-conservative truth-teller tweeter Louise Mensch?

***

Conservatives are... different in the UK.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:14 PM (GEpFD)

400 Dang it, ace stole muh material I was going to use for Thursday's rant.

What to do...

Aw screw it, a little repeat won't hurt nobody.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Global Rethinker at December 19, 2017 02:14 PM (ZrU0d)

401 The first sentence, didn't Barry say that?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2017 02:08 PM (493sH)
======================

Yes he did. Set himself up as a god (little g). It's a trend.

Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:14 PM (lwiT4)

402 383 All things being equal other than one served honorably and in a combat zone and one did not serve at all, I will give the one who served honorably the benefit of the doubt that he loves his country.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 19, 2017 02:11 PM (qcrxS)

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Not everyone joins for love of country....

"Right out of high school, Ice-T struggled to support his girlfriend and daughter. He decided to join the Army for the financial benefits, and served four years in the 25th Infantry Division. Early in his career, he was part of a small group that stole an infantry rug and subsequently deserted. After a month, once the rug had been recovered, Ice-T returned and received a non-judicial punishment which allowed him to complete Advanced Infantry Training.

During his deployment in Hawaii, Ice-T served as a squad leader at Schofield Barracks. According to his memoir, it was here that he purchased stereo equipment including turntables, a mixer, and speakers. At one point during his career, a sergeant told Ice-T that he served in the army because he couldn't survive on his own in the civilian world. Despite the sergeant's claim, Ice-T utilized his time in the army to built financial stability, hone his skills, and launch a career in the entertainment industry."

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:14 PM (4ugMC)

403 I'm about half way to writing a book explaining why the left's Scrooge McDuck economic model is bullshit. Amazon would reject it though.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:11 PM (eO5CB)

That would be a very interesting book and would be a good read.

However.

The Scrooge McDuck reference has me humming the Duck Tales theme song very loudly and my co-worker is about to strangle me.

Worth it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 19, 2017 02:15 PM (mf5HN)

404 The word conservative does mean something despite
the people using it in vain. And Trump has turned out to be way more
naturally conservative than I expected.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 19, 2017 01:42 PM (f5uaD)

See, that there is the beauty of Trump.... no nuance, no
triangulation, he just is what he is.... for good or ill, (and I say
good) with him you know what you are getting.

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 01:44 PM (pL6Vz)

I agree.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 19, 2017 02:15 PM (f5uaD)

405 Heh. Same boat here, econ degree and MBA (although in MIS which is kind of a fake MBA lol). But even though you're right, you can make an argument for any position, it is useful in understanding how the economy works. The lack of basic economic 101 understanding in the general public infuriates me. Which is why people believe Bernie's bullshit.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (4ugMC)

Thomas Sowell should be required reading for every student.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 19, 2017 02:15 PM (Ri/rl)

406 I'm about half way to writing a book explaining why the left's Scrooge McDuck economic model is bullshit.

***

Carl Barks > Karl Marx

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:16 PM (GEpFD)

407 He does not have the gravitas and leadership skills like, say, Jeb!

When Jeb! has the energy...

Oh, wait

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:16 PM (eO5CB)

408 Trish Regan could read the phone book in a burlap sack and I'd watch.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:16 PM (4ugMC)

409 I saw at Legal Insurrection that "the resistance" now believe Jill Stein was another Russian agent working to get Trump elected...
Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 02:10 PM (LiyEm)

Makes sense to me. They need someone to blame and they aren't choosy about who gets sent to the gulag.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleigh Your Friends with the Holiday Delights from the Outrage Outlet! at December 19, 2017 02:17 PM (hLRSq)

410 who was full of bluster but had no real issues or anything to say so he went on about knees and root vegetables.
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That's not ironic at all coming from a guy talking about a minor character in a PG Wodehouse Jeeves book, when the character at issue was Trump. Sheesh. #dudes with expensive diplomas who overthink stuff to justify it

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 02:17 PM (C6xeQ)

411 Good grief, once again, the lovely Trish Regan and the intermittent tools on FBN are bitching and moaning about the carried interest deduction not being eliminated. WTF??!?

Go back later and kill the damned thing.

I'm not sure this deduction is the hill to fight on today.
I find it weird that FBN is trying to make this an issue.
Are they burnishing their populist street cred?

Oh, and Trishy-baby is wearing a black top.

Posted by: Anchorbabe fashion cop

____________

I'm all for eliminating that as well. Your industry of employment shouldn't make a difference on the taxes you pay. People in certain parts of finance are getting a ridiculous tax break that the rest of us aren't

I asked this in the last thread, hoping someone "wonky" could answer. I guess owners of professional services are cut out of the pass through rate of 20%?

That blows.

Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:17 PM (lKmt3)

412 That Disney Animatronic Trump was totally originally a Hillary.
They just redid it, shabbily, to make it a Trump. Look at the mouth area especially. Once you see it you can't unsee it. It was a Hillary.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 02:18 PM (ul9CR)

413 Makes sense to me. They need someone to blame and they aren't choosy about who gets sent to the gulag.

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Someday, they will get around to blaming Hillary. The left always consumes its own eventually.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:18 PM (sX1BW)

414 I saw at Legal Insurrection that "the resistance" now believe Jill Stein
was another Russian agent working to get Trump elected...

I can easily believe JillyBean is a commie - I mean, the entire Green Party platform is a watermelon.

But, working to get Trump elected? That's dumb even by antifa standards.

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 02:18 PM (NYS7S)

415 These are obviously some "Clinton conservatives".
They are conservative.
I am a ballerina.
Got it.

Posted by: navybrat at December 19, 2017 02:18 PM (w7KSn)

416 I saw at Legal Insurrection that "the resistance" now believe Jill Stein
was another Russian agent working to get Trump elected...

This is a damnable lie! Please send all you can to help me fight these scurrilous accusations and also to help me to keep my Lexus from being repossessed!
Please! All you can! I'm begging you!

Posted by: Dr. Jill Stein at December 19, 2017 02:18 PM (O5Q3r)

417 393 Hey, anyone one know what happened to ultra-conservative truth-teller tweeter Louise Mensch?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 02:12 PM (W+vEI)

Milo has a theory that she's actually /ourgirl and her current antics are intentional to make the #TrueConservatives look crazy. I don't agree with said theory, but its out there

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 19, 2017 02:18 PM (mynhJ)

418 "Hey, anyone one know what happened to ultra-conservative truth-teller tweeter Louise Mensch?"

She is being held as a sex slave by the Marshal of the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at December 19, 2017 02:19 PM (OD2ni)

419 I saw at Legal Insurrection that "the resistance" now believe Jill Stein was another Russian agent working to get Trump elected...
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I could make a much better argument with actual evidence that Hillary! was another Russian agent working to get Trump elected . . . by just showing one of her interviews.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 02:19 PM (C6xeQ)

420 "In fact all the restaurants in the Midwest (that I am aware of) sell Reubens with corned beef, never seen pastrami Reubens anywhere."

Izzy's here in Cincinnati has corned beef on their Reuben, but do offer a "Pastrami Reuben".

(And they've renamed my favorite from Spicy Delight to Pastrami Delight. Good to know...)

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 19, 2017 02:19 PM (fXIMQ)

421 Someday, they will get around to blaming Hillary. The left always consumes its own eventually.

***

And what a popcorn moment that will be.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:19 PM (GEpFD)

422 384 Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (4ugMC)

Which is why my best argument with them is to ask them where rich people keep their money? Scrooge McDuck's vault?

It's THE MOST BASIC mis- or not-understanding of the economy because the left has worked so hard at painting "the rich" and "corporations" as scrooge mcduck. Class envy >>>>the revolution.

But they've marched through the institutions and most people have been completely convinced that it's "the rich" who are the "bad" guys because Scrooge McDuck.

I'm about half way to writing a book explaining why the left's Scrooge McDuck economic model is bullshit. Amazon would reject it though.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:11 PM (eO5CB)

Amazon permits dinosaur porn.
Your book will be fine

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 02:19 PM (xJa6I)

423 "During the primary he was on MeAgain's show. He compared Trump to Rodrick Spode."

Trump's in love with Madeline Basset?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleigh Your Friends with the Holiday Delights from the Outrage Outlet! at December 19, 2017 02:19 PM (hLRSq)

424 I saw at Legal Insurrection that "the resistance" now believe Jill Stein was another Russian agent working to get Trump elected...
Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 02:10 PM (LiyEm)

Makes sense to me. They need someone to blame and they aren't choosy about who gets sent to the gulag.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleigh Your Friends with the Holiday Delights from the Outrage Outlet! at December 19, 2017 02:17 PM (hLRSq)
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Wait I thought Jill Stein's recount efforts in Michigan & Pennsylvania were supposed to 'help' Crooked's efforts to the WH - since the Cat Lady didn't succeed in that she's now part of the Russian Conspiracy? Geez I just can't keep up anymore

Posted by: Boots at December 19, 2017 02:20 PM (EBwPV)

425 I asked this in the last thread, hoping someone "wonky" could answer. I guess owners of professional services are cut out of the pass through rate of 20%?

That blows.
Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:17 PM (lKmt3)

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For some reason pro-serv businesses have always gotten fucked in the tax code. I don't get it either, but it's nothing new.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:20 PM (4ugMC)

426 I'm starting to wonder at the visceral hatred and vicious attacks on Trump. I can't remember anything even close to this. My conclusion is that there is a demonic attack. Nothing else explains the united, all-on-the-same page mass hysteria. There are forces aligned against him. Which leads me to the question, why?

Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:20 PM (lwiT4)

427 Rubin always looks nervous.

Like she never knows when someone is going to pull her anal beads out.
Posted by: garrett at December 19, 2017 01:15 PM (Gq+3m)

Or people finding out that as a Whoreyweird studio attorney she engineered hush money for Pervy Weinstein. I'm not saying that's what she did but it seems more likely than calling this shambling bag woman a "conservative".

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 19, 2017 02:20 PM (y7DUB)

428 I'm all for eliminating that as well. Your industry of employment shouldn't make a difference on the taxes you pay. People in certain parts of finance are getting a ridiculous tax break that the rest of us aren't

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So long as the sale of capital assets are taxed at a lower rate than ordinary income, people will figure out a way to classify things as assets.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:20 PM (sX1BW)

429 House voting on tax bill now.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 19, 2017 02:20 PM (r9UYA)

430 protestors screaming in the House galleries

Posted by: Harriet Beecher Stowe at December 19, 2017 02:20 PM (Co9e8)

431 Which is why people believe Bernie's bullshit.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:06 PM (4ugMC)

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Another Econ Major here. A little time spent pursuing MBA focusing on Fiscal Policy.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:21 PM (8XRCm)

432 Bill passes

Posted by: Harriet Beecher Stowe at December 19, 2017 02:21 PM (Co9e8)

433 The lack of basic economic 101 understanding in the general public infuriates me.

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Econ 102 - Public Goods and Externalities would be useful as well.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 19, 2017 02:21 PM (5NMZN)

434 protestors screaming in the House galleries
Posted by: Harriet Beecher Stowe at December 19, 2017 02:20 PM (Co9e

None of whom, I'm betting, pay taxes.

Posted by: troyriser at December 19, 2017 02:21 PM (raGQi)

435 House just passed the Tax bill. Next up...the Senate.

Posted by: WisRich at December 19, 2017 02:21 PM (G0vdT)

436 434 protestors screaming in the House galleries

Then I'm more convinced it's a good bill.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 02:21 PM (ul9CR)

437 I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not sure which shocks me more--that these people are complete mental incompetents, or that we've been losing to them for decades...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at December 19, 2017 02:21 PM (AM1GF)

438 >>Makes sense to me. They need someone to blame and they aren't choosy about who gets sent to the gulag.

Also a very effective way to prevent her from ever running again.

Truth is the Dem establishment doesn't like their far left wing anymore than the GOP establishment like the far right wing.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2017 02:22 PM (/tuJf)

439 I'm starting to wonder at the visceral hatred and vicious attacks on Trump. I can't remember anything even close to this.

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Have we forgotten Reagan and BOOOOOOOOOOOSH already? Just because there was no Twitter then doesn't mean they weren't demonized.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:22 PM (GEpFD)

440 Am I supposed to be dismayed by this? Because I'm not. *fingers in ears* lalalalalalalalalalala

Posted by: bour3 at December 19, 2017 02:22 PM (nzl9M)

441
Factionalism and community-of-faith fissures are timeless and satisfactory.

Yes, because if Christianity completely collapses and socialism and Islam fill the void we'll end up like....Sweden.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2017 02:22 PM (8+Ozj)

442 dagny at December 19, 2017 02:11 PM (eO5CB)

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Yep. My reply is always the same. OK so the evil rich (racist probably) white male gets $1M tax cut. What can he do with it?

1. Buy stuff
2. Invest it

Those are the only 2 options he has. if it's 1, the economy gets $1M of money funneled into it. If it's 2, then another business gets that money and does something with it like expand, hire more people, etc.

And even the most idiotic leftists kind of get that when it's explained in simple terms like that.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:22 PM (4ugMC)

443 The criticism stung.

But locked in a naked and sweaty embrace with Evan, Jennifer found peace and bliss.

The humiliation of being exposed as an unprincipled hack could not touch her when he was in his arms.

Christmas, much like herself, had come early and often this year.

Posted by: happyfeet at December 19, 2017 02:22 PM (mLfQi)

444 Well, my 0.02, conservatism hasn't survived.
Even pre-Trump I was getting uneasy at using that as a label for my political beliefs.
As for whatever media "conservatives" seem to stand for today, the garbage heap of history is too good for 'em.
Let 'em have the old, poisoned name, I'm something completely different.

MAGA ! WAR !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 19, 2017 02:22 PM (XvTYo)

445 445-First sentence was a quote from Zod.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2017 02:23 PM (8+Ozj)

446 "Izzy's here in Cincinnati has corned beef on their Reuben, but do offer a "Pastrami Reuben".

(And they've renamed my favorite from Spicy Delight to Pastrami Delight. Good to know...)"

There is a restaurant near my house where the owner makes his own Pastrami. He serves it on rye bread with Swiss cheese and coleslaw, and calls it a Rachel. I normally prefer corned beef to pastrami, but boy is it good.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 02:23 PM (OD2ni)

447 I'm starting to wonder at the visceral hatred and vicious attacks on Trump. I can't remember anything even close to this.

Sarah Palin; particularly by the ugly crones.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 19, 2017 02:23 PM (y7DUB)

448 ugh *she* was in his arms i mean

typos and carbs, these are my nemeses

Posted by: happyfeet at December 19, 2017 02:23 PM (mLfQi)

449 I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not sure which shocks me more--that these people are complete mental incompetents, or that we've been losing to them for decades...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at December 19, 2017 02:21 PM (AM1GF)

No one cares if it's the village idiot passing out free stuff. It's free stuff.

Posted by: troyriser at December 19, 2017 02:23 PM (raGQi)

450 "I'm starting to wonder at the visceral hatred and vicious attacks on Trump. I can't remember anything even close to this. My conclusion is that there is a demonic attack. Nothing else explains the united, all-on-the-same page mass hysteria. There are forces aligned against him. Which leads me to the question, why?"
-Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:20 PM (lwiT4)

You weren't here during the Obama years?

Politics, sweetheart. It tends to bring-out vitriol.

Ask Buzzion. That Dead-Guy remembers everything.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:23 PM (Ckg4U)

451 Turns out the Obama era may have been a good buying opportunity.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:07 PM (sX1BW)

Turns out that about 2 pm Election Night back in November -- when the MSM was setting their hair on fire as the realization that Trump was going to win -- and then some metric suddenly plunged 700 points as the USA economy was going to crash under Trump -- that was a very, very good buying opportunity.

My wife turned to me as they were reciting that really scary statistic and asked me if that was bad. 'It's time to buy...quickly', was all I said.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 19, 2017 02:23 PM (ajiE5)

452 Well, my 0.02, conservatism hasn't survived.
Even pre-Trump I was getting uneasy at using that as a label for my political beliefs.

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Yeah, well, statist Democrats aren't "liberal" either.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:23 PM (GEpFD)

453 Notice how every time the GOP is about to pass something, protesters magically show up? It's almost as if it's all co-ordinated and funded by someone. Nah, that's crazy talk. David Frum said so.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:23 PM (4ugMC)

454
protestors screaming in the House galleries

Mrs. Pelosi! Control yourself!!

Posted by: tu3031 at December 19, 2017 02:23 PM (O5Q3r)

455 >>441 I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm not sure which shocks me more--that these people are complete mental incompetents, or that we've been losing to them for decades...Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at December 19, 2017 02:21 PM (AM1GF)

Last decade, we ran our "dumb guy" against two of their "smart guys," and won both times.

I'm not sure how that fits into your calculus. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Zod at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (Bdeb0)

456 Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:17 PM (lKmt3)

Yeah, I agree. Kill the deduction.

The problem is actually the Congress being beholden to some of these lobbyists. No one there has the balls to introduce a simple, clean bill to kill it.

The midterms would be a great way to clean house and dump a significant portion of these Uniparty fvcks.

One can dream!

And vote.

Posted by: Anchorbabe fashion cop at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (8iiMU)

457 "434 protestors screaming in the House galleries"

Heard some chick took her top off. Any chance it was Milana Vayntrub?

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (OD2ni)

458 I can easily believe JillyBean is a commie - I mean, the entire Green Party platform is a watermelon.

But, working to get Trump elected? That's dumb even by antifa standards.

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 02:18 PM (NYS7S)

Siphoning off Democrat votes?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (d6iST)

459 I'm starting to wonder at the visceral hatred and vicious attacks on Trump. I can't remember anything even close to this. My conclusion is that there is a demonic attack. Nothing else explains the united, all-on-the-same page mass hysteria. There are forces aligned against him. Which leads me to the question, why?
Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:20 PM (lwiT4)

Maybe. I'm not snarking, it very well may be. But against Trump? Trump? Really? Why?

Okay, you know what, I don't want to know the answer.

Oh and I'm done working for the year!

My Boss isn't aware of this or anything but given my actions and attitude, I sure am.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (mf5HN)

460 Where the fuck were his pants?
Dont get me started on cartoon animal clothing!!

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I know, right?

SPATS, for Christ's sake! But no pants.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (GEpFD)

461 Yep. My reply is always the same. OK so the evil rich (racist probably) white male gets $1M tax cut. What can he do with it?

1. Buy stuff
2. Invest it

Those are the only 2 options he has. if it's 1, the economy gets $1M of money funneled into it. If it's 2, then another business gets that money and does something with it like expand, hire more people, etc.

And even the most idiotic leftists kind of get that when it's explained in simple terms like that.

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I'm starting to think we need to stop explaining it in these terms. Just say it is there money and leave it at that. People understand theft better than ecnomics.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (sX1BW)

462 Have we forgotten Reagan and BOOOOOOOOOOOSH already?
Just because there was no Twitter then doesn't mean they weren't
demonized.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:22 PM (GEpFD)
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I remember Reagan and Bush very well. It was not at this level.

Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (lwiT4)

463 OK so the evil rich (racist probably) white male gets $1M tax cut. What can he do with it?

1. Buy stuff

2. Invest it

Those are the only 2 options he has. if it's 1, the economy gets $1M
of money funneled into it. If it's 2, then another business gets that
money and does something with it like expand, hire more people, etc.

And even the most idiotic leftists kind of get that when it's explained in simple terms like that.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:22 PM (4ugMC)

3. Sleep in it.

Posted by: Scrooge McDuck at December 19, 2017 02:25 PM (vPD1C)

464 Grammie,

The elite wing of the Uniparty is desperate to stop Trump. Of they don't, they lose huge. It is possible for the Bushes and Clintons to go full romance with each other in 2020, but it is entirely possible some Berniebros will be so pissed off about Iraq they will vote Trump for spite. And that assumes a good economy won't be a unifier, which is a mighty big if.

Before I get too cocky: elite opinion has cost decent politicians like Tony Abbott and Stephen Harper their governments, so don't relax just yet.

Posted by: trev006 at December 19, 2017 02:25 PM (jRA31)

465 447 The criticism stung.

But locked in a naked and sweaty embrace with Evan, Jennifer found peace and bliss.

The humiliation of being exposed as an unprincipled hack could not touch her when he was in his arms.

Christmas, much like herself, had come early and often this year.
Posted by: happyfeet at December 19, 2017 02:22 PM (mLfQi)

I am SO glad I finished sipping my coffee before reading that bit.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 19, 2017 02:25 PM (ujg0T)

466 Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:20 PM (lwiT4)

In part because he doesn't think Christianity is responsible for every evil in the world and puts "Merry Christmas" on his holiday card.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2017 02:25 PM (8+Ozj)

467 And even the most idiotic leftists kind of get that when it's explained in simple terms like that.
Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:22 PM (

Also public policy should not be based on envy.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 19, 2017 02:25 PM (Ri/rl)

468 I'm all for eliminating that as well. Your industry of employment shouldn't make a difference on the taxes you pay. People in certain parts of finance are getting a ridiculous tax break that the rest of us aren't

Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:17 PM (lKmt3)

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Ideally.... it should not. You could make the argument about job creation and risk taking being taxed lower than ordinary income.

But. Explain to me how taking a benefit away from somebody else benefits YOU. Show your math.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:25 PM (8XRCm)

469 >>"I'm starting to wonder at the visceral hatred and vicious attacks on Trump. I can't remember anything even close to this. My conclusion is that there is a demonic attack. Nothing else explains the united, all-on-the-same page mass hysteria. There are forces aligned against him. Which leads me to the question, why?"

There is actually something to the whole uniparty thing. Not so much that they always vote in concert, they don't, but they like to control the game and the rules.

That's how you get expert status. You get to explain how the game is played to all the rubes. If the game changes and they aren't needed, then what?

Truth is we don't need them to tell us what's going on, they know it, and they hate it.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2017 02:25 PM (/tuJf)

470 Heard some chick took her top off. Any chance it was Milana Vayntrub?

She has a job so, no, not likely.

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 02:25 PM (NYS7S)

471 When did James Rubin transition to Jennifer?

Posted by: ShainS at December 19, 2017 02:25 PM (7YGxy)

472 >>Sarah Palin; particularly by the ugly crones.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 19, 2017 02:23 PM (y7DUB)

Yep. Can't forget that.

Posted by: Zod at December 19, 2017 02:25 PM (Bdeb0)

473 Yeah, I agree. Kill the deduction.

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What deduction are y'all talking about?

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:25 PM (sX1BW)

474 Politics is blood sport... i liken it to dog fighting... which is why the GOP sucks at it... except for fragging.. they ARE good at that.

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 02:26 PM (pL6Vz)

475 "protestors screaming in the House galleries"

Just like Wisconsin a few years back.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Sleigh Your Friends with the Holiday Delights from the Outrage Outlet! at December 19, 2017 02:26 PM (hLRSq)

476 I remember Reagan and Bush very well. It was not at this level.

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Oh, puh-LEEZE. Some on the left literally believed Ronaldus Magnus was the Anti-Christ.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:26 PM (GEpFD)

477 Heard some chick took her top off. Any chance it was Milana Vayntrub?
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No, it was me.

Posted by: Rosa DeLauro at December 19, 2017 02:26 PM (vg8iE)

478 Woah.

Guys, I think I found something that I agree with congressional democrats on: antitrust hearings for disney. Funny. You'd think they realized they were on the same team.

Link in nick.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 19, 2017 02:26 PM (KUaJL)

479 There are forces aligned against him. Which leads me to the question, why?

Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him

Someone got in who isn't Of Their Ilk. Given your premise, and given even the most charitable assessments of the situation, the implications become quite clear in that context...

...time's up.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at December 19, 2017 02:26 PM (AM1GF)

480 "Conservatism is whatever Conservatives think, say and do"?? Every Republican candidate for public office should be asked whether or not they agree with this statement.

Since when did Conservatism become "what works for the day"?

Posted by: girldog at December 19, 2017 02:26 PM (g5YYQ)

481 "I remember Reagan and Bush very well. It was not at this level."
-Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (lwiT4)

We work for a living. The violence in the streets at "Free Speech" gatherings is all on the Left.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:26 PM (Ckg4U)

482 Chimpy Mchitler assassination fantasies are still fresh in my mind.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 19, 2017 02:26 PM (qcrxS)

483 I'm starting to think we need to stop explaining it in these terms. Just say it is there money and leave it at that. People understand theft better than ecnomics.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (sX1BW)

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Yes but an evil rich white racist male shouldn't be allowed to keep his ill gotten gains. You're never going to win the class envy argument. What you have to do is show that when the evil white man gets his tax cuts, it benefits the SJWs.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:26 PM (4ugMC)

484 430 I'm starting to wonder at the visceral hatred and vicious attacks on Trump. I can't remember anything even close to this. My conclusion is that there is a demonic attack. Nothing else explains the united, all-on-the-same page mass hysteria. There are forces aligned against him. Which leads me to the question, why?
Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:20 PM (lwiT4)

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All for the greater glory of God.

I believe the Israelites were told that with God on their side, that 10 men would route 1,000 men in battle. ( think it was 10 versus a thousand, though my Google Fu was unable to find the reference)

President Trump is but one man, yet, seems to be winning the battles against the combined forces of the GOPe, Democrats and Deep State.

Posted by: Blake at December 19, 2017 02:26 PM (IlV2p)

485 I'm starting to think we need to stop explaining it in these terms. Just say it is there money and leave it at that. People understand theft better than ecnomics.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (sX1BW)

Walter Williams explained this concept very well. If I put a gun to your head and steal your money to give to a poor person it's immoral. It's also immoral when the government does it.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 19, 2017 02:27 PM (Ri/rl)

486 476
Heard some chick took her top off. Any chance it was Milana Vayntrub?

She has a job so, no, not likely.
Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 02:25 PM (NYS7S)

Nah... it was someone named " Cloggenstein"... she said she was a beekeeper...

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 02:27 PM (pL6Vz)

487 468 Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (lwiT4)

During Reagan and Bush the elder they held the House and mostly the Senate.

They were just as crazy during Bush the younger.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 02:27 PM (SzZnW)

488 Chimpy Mchitler assassination fantasies are still fresh in my mind.

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Yep. And like I said earlier, had Twitter existed in 1984, it would've been exactly the same as it is now.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:27 PM (GEpFD)

489
The House passed the tax bill.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2017 02:27 PM (493sH)

490 I don't get the stock market. When there was rumor that a tax bill was coming out of conference, it went up, up, up.

Today when that bill passes....stock market is meh. Down about 10.

Posted by: Tami at December 19, 2017 02:27 PM (Enq6K)

491 You weren't here during the Obama years?

Politics, sweetheart. It tends to bring-out vitriol.

Ask Buzzion. That Dead-Guy remembers everything.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:23 PM (Ckg4U)
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During the Obama years, the MSM wasn't having a meltdown. Students weren't rioting in the streets. There were no calls for impeachment from the floors of Congress. "Conservative" writers weren't switching parties. People weren't threatening one another on the internet. Windows were not being smashed in.

Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:28 PM (lwiT4)

492 Yes but an evil rich white racist male shouldn't be allowed to keep his ill gotten gains. You're never going to win the class envy argument. What you have to do is show that when the evil white man gets his tax cuts, it benefits the SJWs.

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Our victories with respect to the estate tax have made me rethink whether your strategy is the correct one.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:28 PM (sX1BW)

493 Heard some chick took her top off. Any chance it was Milana Vayntrub?
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No, it was me.
Posted by: Rosa DeLauro at December 19, 2017 02:26 PM (vg8iE)

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Good.

Because you would have to slide your slacks down to see your nipples.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:28 PM (8XRCm)

494 Things were just as out of control with Nixon resistance...

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 02:28 PM (pL6Vz)

495 Speaking of Disney, ESPN has 8000 employees. I had no idea it is that many. What the hell do they all do in a day?

Alternate story: 8000 people at ESPN furiously updating resumes

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (4ugMC)

496 Because you would have to slide your slacks down to see your nipples.

***

You're going to Hell for that, you know.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (GEpFD)

497 >>I don't get the stock market. When there was rumor that a tax bill was coming out of conference, it went up, up, up.

>>Today when that bill passes....stock market is meh. Down about 10.

The stock market is a futures game. Tax reform has been priced into the market for some time now.

Now that it's passed people are looking to other future events like taking some cream before the end of the year.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (/tuJf)

498 This whole "conservative" identity is a bit of a puzzler for me living in a blue part of a blue state. I've long identified myself publicly as a libertarian because it's a better public position and doesn't usually lead to losing your job like outing yourself as a supporter of those rock-ribbed conservatives like the Bush family. Damn if I was ever going to defend those dopes since they wouldn't even defend themselves but whatever.

Posted by: Boots at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (EBwPV)

499 In the meantime...there are things Mr. Trump has done that I like. Immensely. (Judiciary, his rescinding of land grabs, taking the Internet back to the dark ages before 2015) And there are things he has stands for that I do not like or question (anti-free trade; his foreign policy speech is perfectly fine but he had better get crackin' on rebuilding the military to back himself up; he still is way too cozy with Statists like his Statist daughter), and there are questions of tactics (why the hell didn't he send EVERYONE from the God-King administration packing on Minute One??? Learn to seriously arm-twist Congress. DO NOT DEAL WITH THE DEMS, THEY HATE YOU). He's doing all right so far. I've been pleasantly surprised for the most part.

This is enough for the Trump worshipers and those of Miss Rubin's and Mr. "Opportunist" McMullin to demand my immediate arrest for either not loving Trump enough or giving him any credit at all. Rational conversations? They are a thing of the past.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (XF0vH)

500 Today when that bill passes....stock market is meh. Down about 10.

Posted by: Tami at December 19, 2017 02:27 PM (Enq6K)

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Buy on the rumor. Sell on the fact.

Lottsa sellers are cashing in today. Dont worry. It wont be a trend.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (8XRCm)

501 Repost from July 2016:

Trump has been fighting the Clintons, Obama, MSM, the shit head pundits and the fifth column GOPe. And the DOJ and the FBI.

The Almighty says this must be a fashionable fight. It's drawn the finest people.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (cAXIk)

502 "I remember Reagan and Bush very well. It was not at this level."
-Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (lwiT4)

I never avoided holiday events during the Reagan or Bush years. There were some pot-shots, yeah.

But hatred and turkey doesn't sit well in my stomach. These people have hate in their hearts.

I don't need to be around that. I don't want to be around that.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (ajiE5)

503 >>I'm starting to wonder at the visceral hatred and vicious attacks on Trump. I can't remember anything even close to this.

Sarah Palin says "Hi!"

You didn't have to like her to have seen the over the top, sheer ugliness of the Left/MSM/entertainment industry/GOPe desire to destroy her in 2008. It was bananas how much she got under their skin.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (W+vEI)

504 "David Frum, naturally, slumps to her defense, attacking Charles Cooke for his 'savagely personal' attack on Rubin, an attack that consisted of... quoting her own words."

Poetry, Ace.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 19, 2017 02:30 PM (Dp6qK)

505 498 Yes but an evil rich white racist male shouldn't be allowed to keep his ill gotten gains. You're never going to win the class envy argument. What you have to do is show that when the evil white man gets his tax cuts, it benefits the SJWs.

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Our victories with respect to the estate tax have made me rethink whether your strategy is the correct one.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:28 PM (sX1BW)

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Fair enough.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:30 PM (4ugMC)

506 "Heard some chick took her top off. Any chance it was Milana Vayntrub?
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No, it was me.
Posted by: Rosa DeLauro"

Rose, you are saltpeter in human form.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 02:30 PM (OD2ni)

507 Heard some chick took her top off. Any chance it was Milana Vayntrub?

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 02:24 PM (OD2ni)

You should be so lucky.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 19, 2017 02:30 PM (d6iST)

508 Ace is stooping pretty low, sad to say when he posts anything that this bald Hillary lackey says.
Next thing you know the HQ will be posting thoughts from Ben Sasse and Jeff Flake.

Posted by: Drider at December 19, 2017 02:30 PM (HdKKm)

509 They were just as crazy during Bush the younger.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 02:27 PM (SzZnW)
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No, I don't think so. During the Bush years, and then into the Obama years, my son was deployed so I kept a watchful eye on the news. It was not like this. The only flamboyantly in your face thing I recall as being a Big Deal was Cindy Sheehan.

Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:30 PM (lwiT4)

510 Because you would have to slide your slacks down to see your nipples.

***

You're going to Hell for that, you know.
Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (GEpFD)

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Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:30 PM (8XRCm)

511 So long as the sale of capital assets are taxed at a lower rate than ordinary income, people will figure out a way to classify things as assets.
Posted by: SH

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I'm sure some will say this is "unconservative" but I would support a tax law that after some absurd level, you no longer qualify for a capital gains tax rate. Like say $20 million plus. So Tech Titans, Hedge Fund Managers, Wall Street. etc on the really high end (and likely Resistance members) would just pay their individual tax rate.

Also, I think Warren Buffet is a prick, but I will say he had a point that it is ridiculous that he pays a lower percentage tax rate than his secretary.

A flat tax is the best answer so we're not picking or choosing based on who has the best lobbyists, but I'm not sure its politically possible.

Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:30 PM (lKmt3)

512 They "self-identify" as "conservatives". You know, the same way some men "self-identify" as women.

To leftists, the world inside your head supersedes the real one. This is also why they think "Russia hacked teh elekshunz!!1!1!" is a real thing and not merely their paranoid LARP sessions.

Posted by: Saber Alter at December 19, 2017 02:30 PM (EfAMZ)

513 Today when that bill passes....stock market is meh. Down about 10.

Posted by: Tami at December 19, 2017 02:27 PM (Enq6K)

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The big run up was preceding the senate vote on Dec 1. Once that passed, it was like a 95% chance the whole thing would pass. So all the gains were locked in well before the bill actually is signed by Trump.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:31 PM (4ugMC)

514
OT:

Tax Bill passes in the House. Senate to vote tonight.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2017 02:31 PM (mbhDw)

515 Cooke is anti-Trump himself, quite complacent with staying on our national road to ruin instead of turning away from the cliff at Trump junction. Snooty limey who has an innate fear of the uncouth American rabble. By all means, stick with the GOPe, who get invited to all the right cocktail parties, and want to drive over the cliff at 50 mph instead of 100.

His only problem with Rubin is her inconsistency - not her anti Trump hostility.

Is Cooke the National Revew guy who said basically that small towns and the people in them are dead ends and should just die?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 19, 2017 02:31 PM (akJGf)

516 Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (W+vEI)
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That's true Lizzy. It was horrible to see the way they treated the Palin family.

Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:31 PM (lwiT4)

517 Tax reform don't suck and repeal of the mandate is another stake in Fredocare. NOt bad for a day's work

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2017 02:32 PM (5y11N)

518 During the Obama years, the MSM wasn't having a meltdown. Students weren't rioting in the streets. There were no calls for impeachment from the floors of Congress. "Conservative" writers weren't switching parties. People weren't threatening one another on the internet. Windows were not being smashed in.
Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:28 PM (lwiT4)

No, they were just accusing "the Teabaggers" of doing all those things, like the liars that they were and still are.

Projection DOES explains so much of that the Commeicrats do.

As for the RINOs/Establicans, I have my suggestions:
--Stockholm Syndrome from being battered by the Demunists for so long, a.k.a., "going along to get along"
--Selling out for their 30 pieces of silver,
--They really don't mind the Nanny State, so long as THEY get a chance to be running it.
--Dynasty Pettiness, that their man Jebbie didn't get the nomination.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 19, 2017 02:32 PM (ujg0T)

519 482 I remember Reagan and Bush very well. It was not at this level.

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Oh, puh-LEEZE. Some on the left literally believed Ronaldus Magnus was the Anti-Christ.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 19, 2017 02:26 PM (GEpFD)

The big difference IMAO is that Ronaldus Magnus had zero effect from social media (includes Bush the elder), and GWB didn't start getting hammered until his second term.
Facebook was started in 2004, Twitter in 2006.
Those two places are where the "mainstream hate" come from. MSM just repeats the stuff.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 19, 2017 02:32 PM (DofIg)

520 "I can't remember anything even close to this. "

I certainly can. Every (R) president since Eisenhower.

Posted by: navybrat at December 19, 2017 02:32 PM (w7KSn)

521 I'm sure some will say this is "unconservative" but I would support a tax law that after some absurd level, you no longer qualify for a capital gains tax rate. Like say $20 million plus. So Tech Titans, Hedge Fund Managers, Wall Street. etc on the really high end (and likely Resistance members) would just pay their individual tax rate.

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I agree. I'd bring the threshold down to more like $5M even.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:32 PM (4ugMC)

522 "This is enough for the Trump worshipers..."

And that's the moment you're no longer worth listening to.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 19, 2017 02:32 PM (fXIMQ)

523 I'm sure some will say this is "unconservative" . . . .

Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:30 PM (lKmt3)

You are right.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 19, 2017 02:32 PM (Dp6qK)

524 497 Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:28 PM (lwiT4)

right the same forces telling us ALL IS CALM then are the people having the meltdowns now.

Ma'am, the kept GOP Punditry is involved in a pro wrestling version of political commentary....they really work for the left.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 02:32 PM (SzZnW)

525 Why does repeal of the Estate Tax poll so much more favorably than cutting top income taxes? They affect the same people for the most part. I think part of the reason is we use emotion against the estate tax but economic logic on income taxes. Perhaps we ought to use emotion against income taxes (e.g., theft argument).

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (sX1BW)

526 There was a little place on Woodward Ave. near Birmingham call the Onion Roll Deli.

Best pastrami and rye on earth.

Sadly, the guy running the place used all his talents making sandwiches instead of paying sales taxes.

This guy showed that anyone can make a great living doing one thing right. With a small flat top and a slicer, he pounded out stacked pastrami all day at $10 in a diner so small my wife wouldn't use it as a closet.

Don't know why he didn't hire a decent accountant to keep him out of trouble, but it happens when you've got that much cash floating through.

Posted by: Jwest at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (/roJx)

527 Killing the mandate is going to fuck me. No mandate = higher insurance premiums on the individual market. I'm already paying 200% more than pre-Ocare. Without the mandate I'm probably looking at another 50% increase next year.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (4ugMC)

528 520
OT:

Tax Bill passes in the House. Senate to vote tonight.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2017 02:31 PM (mbhDw)

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*perk*

Posted by: John McCain Von Holenhedt, Backstabber at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (akJGf)

529 The stock market is a futures game. Tax reform has been priced into the market for some time now.

Now that it's passed people are looking to other future events like taking some cream before the end of the year.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (/tuJf)

Buy on the rumor. Sell on the fact.

Lottsa sellers are cashing in today. Dont worry. It wont be a trend.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (8XRCm)

I guess I know this but it just seems like it should be up...even a little.

Posted by: Tami at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (Enq6K)

530 Those are the only 2 options he has. if it's 1, the
economy gets $1M of money funneled into it. If it's 2, then another
business gets that money and does something with it like expand, hire
more people, etc.

And even the most idiotic leftists kind of get that when it's explained in simple terms like that.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:22 PM (4ugMC)

You are forgetting the option that stupid liberals always picture... 3) put all your sweet sweet money "stolen" from the government in a giant vault under your house and then swim in it naked.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (f5uaD)

531 Is Cooke the National Revew guy who said basically that small towns and the people in them are dead ends and should just die?

I believe that was, indeed, him. Swell guy.

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (NYS7S)

532 >>No, I don't think so. During the Bush years, and then into the Obama years, my son was deployed so I kept a watchful eye on the news. It was not like this. The only flamboyantly in your face thing I recall as being a Big Deal was Cindy Sheehan.

Bush was a Republican but he was of the swamp. He was never going to do anything to radical.

They almost had the brass ring under of Obama of "fundamentally changing" the country. Hillary would have finished it.

Trump is tearing it apart by the roots while drinking an obscene amount of Diet Coke and eating two scoops. Their dream of an ever increasing Socialist government is over, at least for a number of decades. Virtually everything Barry built Trump is destroying and moving us decades backward toward what our federal government was supposed to look like.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2017 02:34 PM (/tuJf)

533 I'm sure some will say this is "unconservative" but I would support a tax law that after some absurd level, you no longer qualify for a capital gains tax rate.

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I have a better idea. Let's just use the cap gains rate as the top tax rate.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:34 PM (sX1BW)

534 521 Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 19, 2017 02:31 PM (akJGf)

You are thinking of Kevin D "Die honky die" Williamson....

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 02:34 PM (SzZnW)

535 Kevin Williamson..

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 02:34 PM (pL6Vz)

536 "Also, I think Warren Buffet is a prick, but I will say he had a point that it is ridiculous that he pays a lower percentage tax rate than his secretary."

He can voluntarily pay more to assuage his butthurt.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 19, 2017 02:34 PM (fXIMQ)

537 Question:

Do Orwellian elites know they're being Orwellian?

Case in point:

A new film is opening in theaters nationwide next month. It has already won the Golden Globe for Best Actress, nearly won the Cannes Film Festival, and has been nominated for the Best Foreign Film Oscar, and is likely to win.

The plot? In Germany, a Muslim man and his Muslim child are killed! In a terror attack! Carried out by...(wait for it)...nationalistic neo-Nazis! And it's all so sad.

The filmmaker is, of course, a Muslim who lives in Germany.

Name of film: "In the Fade": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Fade

This needless to say, is the polar opposite of European reality, in which Muslims commit terror acts and kill Europeans.

Now, can't blame the filmmaker for trying to make insulting propaganda. Everyone is free to do what they want.

Who's to blame here are the European elites who are relentlessly promoting and praising the film, even though they know that its plot and theme are totally ludicrous and totally divorced from the real world.

It has become the leftist elites' kneejerk reaction to rub civilization's face in Orwellian propaganda. But now I wonder: To what end? For what purpose?

The wealthy, hedonistic people in the film industry like enjoying their wealth and hedonism and like living in decadent Europe. So what are they gaining by accelerating its demise? Why champion those trying to destroy your own personal little paradise?

Do they even know what they're doing any more? Or is it all on autopilot by now?

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2017 02:34 PM (42M22)

538 The House passed the tax bill.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 19, 2017 02:27 PM (493sH)

*stamps wee feets*

BUT I DON'T WANNA THINK THE GOP ISN'T COMPLETELY USELESS

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 19, 2017 02:34 PM (mf5HN)

539 I'm sure some will say this is "unconservative"

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And they would be right.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:34 PM (8XRCm)

540 479
Yeah, I agree. Kill the deduction.

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What deduction are y'all talking about?

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:25 PM (sX1BW)

The carried interest deduction, of which I have a very passing knowledge of, and apparently affects hedge funds, and, I think, venture capital funds.
My complaint is that FBN, specifically the lovely Trish Regan, and big-boobed Liz Claman, seem to bitch about it EVERY TIME the discussion turns to the tax bill. I would much rather bask in their glory without the lecture.
Oh, and SHS! is speaking to the press, in a nice green dress and a pearl necklace!

Posted by: Anchorbabe fashion cop at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (8iiMU)

541 531 Why does repeal of the Estate Tax poll so much more favorably than cutting top income taxes? They affect the same people for the most part. I think part of the reason is we use emotion against the estate tax but economic logic on income taxes. Perhaps we ought to use emotion against income taxes (e.g., theft argument).
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (sX1BW)

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Most people in the middle class have something to leave to the kids. So the notion of the govt taking 1/2 your shit when you die is not popular among the masses.

But taxing evil rich people ( the 1% )....fuck it, I'm not one of them so it doesn't affect me....TAX AWAY!!

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (4ugMC)

542
Things were just as out of control with Nixon resistance...

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 02:28 PM (pL6Vz)
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There was a lot of ugliness then, that's for sure. But for the most part I think it was seen for the ugliness that it was. I don't think it was mainstreamed. I don't think it was embraced by half the country. I didn't feel as if we were headed for civil war. Heck, even Mayor Daley had enough of that crap.

Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (lwiT4)

543 Start explaining to Democrat voters that Democrat Bosses taxing the rich, then passing on some of those riches to the voters after the Democrat Bosses get their cut, is just another version of Reagan's Trickle Down Economics.

Posted by: davidt at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (vPD1C)

544 this just in: a federal judge in Hawaii has declared tax cuts to be unconstitutional.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (ILitO)

545 Ronnie Ray-Gun is a Crazy, Dangerous, Senile Old Man Who's Going To Start World War III

I remember.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (ul9CR)

546 1. Buy stuff
2. Invest it

Those are the only 2 options he has. if it's 1, the economy gets $1M of money funneled into it. If it's 2, then another business gets that money and does something with it like expand, hire more people, etc.

And even the most idiotic leftists kind of get that when it's explained in simple terms like that.Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:22 PM (4ugMC)

She/he can even let it sit in the bank. Just sit there and make microscopic interest. Then the bank has money to loan. The more money they have sitting there, the more they can loan out and at lower interest rates. That allows business to invest in capital, labor, etc.
The ONLY WAY that a tax break even given to "the rich" doesn't spur the economy is if the "rich" have a Scrooge McDuck vault.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (eO5CB)

547 Trump is tearing it apart by the roots while drinking an obscene amount of Diet Coke and eating two scoops. Their dream of an ever increasing Socialist government is over, at least for a number of decades. Virtually everything Barry built Trump is destroying and moving us decades backward toward what our federal government was supposed to look like.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2017 02:34 PM (/tuJf)

It's been a damn good first year in my book. Amen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (5y11N)

548 >>
"This is enough for the Trump worshipers..."

Worshipers.

Funny, it's not Trump voters who are getting tattoos of his mug, is it?
No, most who voted for him are all too aware that he's human, fallible, and will no doubt negotiate some deals we will not like. Go back an re-read Salena Zito's article where she observed that we take him "seriously, but not literally", Mr. Cooke.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (W+vEI)

549 Repeat illegal Mexican shoots and wounds two cops in Sanctuary State. When he complains about the bullet holes in him, the state authorites take him to a nice comfortable hospital where they give him the best of care and a lawyer to sue the state whose men shot him.

Posted by: torabora at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (RzQbP)

550 Ah, right. Good catch, sven and krak

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (NYS7S)

551 "Is Cooke the National Revew guy who said basically that small towns and the people in them are dead ends and should just die?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug "

That was Kevin Williamson. His article was not as bad as it was portrayed here and had some good points, but that seemed to be the takeaway.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 02:36 PM (OD2ni)

552 I agree. I'd bring the threshold down to more like $5M even.
Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:32 PM (4ugMC)

Why? I wouldn't.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 19, 2017 02:36 PM (Ri/rl)

553 BUT I DON'T WANNA THINK THE GOP ISN'T COMPLETELY USELESS

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 19, 2017 02:34 PM (mf5HN)

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There, there. Broken clocks, blind squirrels.

Ranty rant away. Im sure they'll be back to their usual fuckery any time now.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:36 PM (8XRCm)

554 Don't know why he didn't hire a decent accountant to keep him out of trouble, but it happens when you've got that much cash floating through.
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Happens all the time. It might even be part of his business plan. No doubt he re opened under another name in another location and some relative as the owner, after he filed for bankruptcy. This happens frequently.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 02:36 PM (P8ZRC)

555 The carried interest deduction,

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Its not a deduction. It is taxing a carried interest as what it is - a capital asset - not income.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:36 PM (sX1BW)

556 504 This whole "conservative" identity is a bit of a puzzler for me living in a blue part of a blue state. I've long identified myself publicly as a libertarian because it's a better public position and doesn't usually lead to losing your job like outing yourself as a supporter of those rock-ribbed conservatives like the Bush family. Damn if I was ever going to defend those dopes since they wouldn't even defend themselves but whatever.
Posted by: Boots at December 19, 2017 02:29 PM (EBwPV)

I WAS a diehard Bush supporter, until he and his ilk turned upon all of us who were sounding the alarm about immigration problems. It was infuriating to see them scorn us for daring to question their wonderful cheap gardeners and maids policy.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 19, 2017 02:36 PM (ujg0T)

557 Liz Clayman and the Lovely Trish want to show off their populist cred. They're always looking out of the little guy.....then go home to their $3M Park Ave apartments, lol.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:36 PM (4ugMC)

558 Is Cooke the National Revew guy who said basically that small towns and the people in them are dead ends and should just die?

I believe that was, indeed, him. Swell guy.

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (NYS7S)

Williamson, I think.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 19, 2017 02:37 PM (d6iST)

559 Most people in the middle class have something to leave to the kids. So the notion of the govt taking 1/2 your shit when you die is not popular among the masses.

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True, but most people are not subject to the estate tax.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:37 PM (sX1BW)

560 Is Cooke the National Revew guy who said basically that small towns and the people in them are dead ends and should just die?

I believe that was, indeed, him. Swell guy.

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (NYS7S)

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Not that it makes much difference but I think it was Kevin DDD Williamson. And it was move or die with the city but basically just disappear. And defended by CCC Cooke.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 19, 2017 02:37 PM (5NMZN)

561 BUT I DON'T WANNA THINK THE GOP ISN'T COMPLETELY USELESS

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 19, 2017 02:34 PM (mf5HN)

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Mostly dead versus all dead.

Posted by: Miracle Max at December 19, 2017 02:37 PM (IlV2p)

562
In the 'old days' wet behind the ears teenagers disappeared from the holiday table. Now they have an (uneducated) opinion. Which they feel the necessity to verbalize. But, of course.

I don't feel like wasting a holiday listening to the uneducated opinion of someone totally lacking in any historical education who points the racist/misogynist finger at me.

Life's too short to waste a moment on these shit-heads.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 19, 2017 02:37 PM (ajiE5)

563 "During the Obama years, the MSM wasn't having a meltdown. Students weren't rioting in the streets. There were no calls for impeachment from the floors of Congress. "Conservative" writers weren't switching parties. People weren't threatening one another on the internet. Windows were not being smashed in."
-Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:28 PM

Yeah... we only called for his impeachment on at least seven occasions.

You're absolutely 100% correct that we don't burn and smash.

To call "demonic" is a bridge too far, although I'm not far beyond that hypothesis.

I'm purchasing firearms for self-defense and starting to loathe "The Other Side".

They've stopped because they were stopped. Our side is not only stronger, but more well-armed and we've had enough.

I pray for a peaceful resolution.

That's all I can do right now.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:37 PM (Ckg4U)

564 Why does repeal of the Estate Tax poll so much more favorably than cutting top income taxes? They affect the same people for the most part. I think part of the reason is we use emotion against the estate tax but economic logic on income taxes. Perhaps we ought to use emotion against income taxes (e.g., theft argument).
Posted by: SH

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The Estate Tax is much more of an emotional argument and everyone thinks they've got a much bigger inheritance coming their way than they really do.

Compared to income taxes, most people have figured out they are not going to ever make millions of dollars in their career.

After this tax bill, 99% plus won't pay an estate tax, but I'd still like to just see it eliminated as I feel it just ends up in left-wing "charities" like Soros does. At least the trust fund brats will spend it on themselves instead.

Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (lKmt3)

565 Is Cooke the National Revew guy who said basically that small towns and the people in them are dead ends and should just die?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 19, 2017 02:31 PM (akJGf)

No, that was Kevin Williamson, who truly is a smarmy prick.

Cooke is British and approaches things in a Tory way rather than a USA Republican way, but he is OK.

Other than he and Victor Davis Hanson, most of the rest of the NR can go get stuffed, as Mr. Cooke would say.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (ujg0T)

566 Bush was a Republican but he was of the swamp. He was never going to do anything to radical.

He was a Nixon type Repuke: much more liberal than he should've been but the left went insane anyway.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (y7DUB)

567 She/he can even let it sit in the bank. Just sit there and make microscopic interest. Then the bank has money to loan. The more money they have sitting there, the more they can loan out and at lower interest rates. That allows business to invest in capital, labor, etc.
The ONLY WAY that a tax break even given to "the rich" doesn't spur the economy is if the "rich" have a Scrooge McDuck vault.
Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (eO5CB)

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Right. Invest can be anything from sitting in the bank, a money market, stocks, bonds, gold, you name it.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (4ugMC)

568 Funny, it's not Trump voters who are getting tattoos of his mug, is it?

The cult that built-up around FourPutt was (and is) rather, uh, creepy to say the least. There as a video around some of the 2008 campaign imagery put to the song "Comfort Eagle" by Cake that had it absolutely spot-freaking-on

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (NYS7S)

569 The ONLY WAY that a tax break even given to "the rich" doesn't spur the economy is if the "rich" have a Scrooge McDuck vault.
Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (eO5CB)

Thank you, I don't get all the rich people hate.

I want to be rich, why are we punishing rich people?

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (Ri/rl)

570 Its not a deduction. It is taxing a carried interest as what it is - a capital asset - not income.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:36 PM (sX1BW)

There! See? I told you I had a passing knowledge.
And it was wrong knowledge.
Thanks for the clarification.

Posted by: Anchorbabe fashion cop at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (8iiMU)

571 534
*perk*
Posted by: John McCain Von Holenhedt, Backstabber at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (akJGf)

Trapped by the toomah in AZ. Pence will be the tiebreaker if needed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2017 02:39 PM (mbhDw)

572 >>It's been a damn good first year in my book. Amen

Much, much better than I could have hoped for. I fully admit I didn't think Trump would be this good even when I voted for him.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2017 02:39 PM (/tuJf)

573 But this carried interest deduction sort of makes my point about how we argue against high income taxes. I can talk til I am blue in the face about how carried interest is a capital asset that should be taxed like capital gain and not income. Most people just say it not fair because they are paid in income not carried interest. We should argue against income tax rates not on economic theory but on the simple fact that taxes are theft.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:39 PM (sX1BW)

574 >>Who's to blame here are the European elites who are relentlessly promoting and praising the film, even though they know that its plot and theme are totally ludicrous and totally divorced from the real world.

Sounds like the much-lauded Israeli movie, Lemon Tree.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 02:39 PM (W+vEI)

575 540 521 Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 19, 2017 02:31 PM (akJGf)

You are thinking of Kevin D "Die honky die" Williamson....
Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 02:34 PM (SzZnW)

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Oh, right you are. And I somehow completely overlooked Cooke's strongly-worded denunciation of that article. Having a little trouble finding it now...

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 19, 2017 02:39 PM (akJGf)

576 At least the trust fund brats will spend it on themselves instead.
Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (lKmt3)

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The Class Envy is strong with this one.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:39 PM (8XRCm)

577 True, but most people are not subject to the estate tax.
Posted by: SH

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That's one of the few times we benefit from that misunderstanding of taxes.

Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:39 PM (lKmt3)

578 "Is Cooke the National Revew guy who said basically that small towns and the people in them are dead ends and should just die?

I believe that was, indeed, him. Swell guy."
-Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (NYS7S)

Williamson, I think.
-Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 19, 2017 02:37 PM (d6iST)

Kevin Williamson.

Cooke is a decent fellow. Most there think of him like they used to think of Hannity.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:39 PM (Ckg4U)

579 Reagan had the CIA distribute crack in black neighborhoods because he hates black people.

That one was pretty damn vile.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (ul9CR)

580 581 >>It's been a damn good first year in my book. Amen

Much, much better than I could have hoped for. I fully admit I didn't think Trump would be this good even when I voted for him.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2017 02:39 PM (/tuJf)

Hell, after yesterday Mark Levin is now a fan. As I am, as you all know.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (mbhDw)

581 537 Is Cooke the National Revew guy who said basically that small towns and the people in them are dead ends and should just die?

I believe that was, indeed, him. Swell guy.

Posted by: DocJ at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (NYS7S)

No, that was Kevin "I live in manhattan not Texas anymore" Williamson who actually said that rednecks, rustbelters, etc should move out of dying communities instead of staying there for no reason and sucking on the govt teat, but since he also wrote "ape rides escalator" he can go eat his own shit and I just agree with anyone who says he said "die whitey die."

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (eO5CB)

582 After this tax bill, 99% plus won't pay an estate tax, but I'd still like to just see it eliminated as I feel it just ends up in left-wing "charities" like Soros does. At least the trust fund brats will spend it on themselves instead.
Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (lKmt3)

The super wealthy get around the estate tax, they always will. The estate tax hurts cash poor business owners.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (Ri/rl)

583 581 >>It's been a damn good first year in my book. Amen

Much, much better than I could have hoped for. I fully admit I didn't think Trump would be this good even when I voted for him.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2017 02:39 PM (/tuJf)

Same here

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (xJa6I)

584 567 Most people in the middle class have something to leave to the kids. So the notion of the govt taking 1/2 your shit when you die is not popular among the masses.

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True, but most people are not subject to the estate tax.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:37 PM (sX1BW)

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Well that's the "win" you were talking about, isn't it? The vast majority of people will not pay an estate tax.

And to be honest, if Bill Gates has to give the IRS a few hundred million when he dies, meh.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (4ugMC)

585 558 Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 02:36 PM (OD2ni)

His article was as bad as portrayed here, Big Kev would never have been as spiteful if writing about the ghetto.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (SzZnW)

586 "Cooke is British and approaches things in a Tory way rather than a USA Republican way, but he is OK.

Other than he and Victor Davis Hanson, most of the rest of the NR can go get stuffed, as Mr. Cooke would say.
Posted by: Curmudgeon"

Rich Lowry has been pretty fair to Trump. Jonah has as well at times, but he is still pissed at Trump for taking personal shots at him during election and cannot let it go.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (OD2ni)

587 The ONLY WAY that a tax break even given to "the rich" doesn't spur the economy is if the "rich" have a Scrooge McDuck vault.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (eO5CB)

And that's a losing proposition, since inflation eats away at the value of those hoarded dollars.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (d6iST)

588 Posted by: Shocked and All at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (c5sfq)

Ah let be carefully phrase this so as not to leave my meaning iffy.

FUCK OFF ASSHOLE

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2017 02:41 PM (5y11N)

589
There, there. Broken clocks, blind squirrels.

Ranty rant away. Im sure they'll be back to their usual fuckery any time now.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:36 PM (8XRCm)

The correct locution is even a blind squirrel fucks a pumpkin twice a day.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 19, 2017 02:41 PM (mf5HN)

590 569 BUT I DON'T WANNA THINK THE GOP ISN'T COMPLETELY USELESS

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. With Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 19, 2017 02:34 PM (mf5HN)

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Mostly dead versus all dead.
Posted by: Miracle Max at December 19, 2017 02:37 PM (IlV2p)

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go on, put your hand in my pocket and look for loose change...take your time

Posted by: Al Franken at December 19, 2017 02:41 PM (PNcou)

591 They've stopped because they were stopped. Our side is not only stronger, but more well-armed and we've had enough.

I pray for a peaceful resolution.

Sic pacem para bellum

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2017 02:41 PM (h6BP/)

592 Don't kid yourself, Cooke went full squish too at the time, he just didn't double down on pure idiocy like French, Goldberg, Baseball Crank, Williamson, etc.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:41 PM (eO5CB)

593 National Review has always had a problem finding Americans to promulgate their crap so they hire imported Brits and Canadians.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 19, 2017 02:41 PM (5NMZN)

594 And then I remember that my hope is in God and settle back down. YMMV

Posted by: Long-time Commenter, First-time Reader at December 19, 2017 01:06 PM (Nu6Gg)
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Woot!

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2017 02:41 PM (JhE5a)

595 I don't give a tinker's damn about the lack of deductions here and the class warfare crap there in this tax bill.

I would have been quite happy keeping taxes where they were if they had ONLY done the one thing that's pissed me off for the last 8 years:

We are no longer required, as U.S. citizens, to purchase a product under penalty.

OR, they could have just repealed ObamaCare totally in the first place (and not bothered with a 'replacement' load of crap).

Either way. Both would have been better.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 19, 2017 02:42 PM (DofIg)

596 531 Why does repeal of the Estate Tax poll so much more favorably than cutting top income taxes? They affect the same people for the most part. I think part of the reason is we use emotion against the estate tax but economic logic on income taxes. Perhaps we ought to use emotion against income taxes (e.g., theft argument).
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:33 PM (sX1BW)

Because the Estate Tax is a tax on ASSETS, not income, and there are still many many people who are asset rich but net income poor. Farmers, Ranchers, Franchise owners in many parts.

People tend to accept that higher income people should pay more, even in "progressive" (sic) terms since they can take advantage of itemized deductions and various tax shelters more too.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 19, 2017 02:42 PM (ujg0T)

597 Posted by: Shocked and All at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (c5sfq)
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Oh my. Just for the record, my support for Israel goes back to when I was ten years old. I can place the date and the location. I doubt I was being played.

Have a nice afternoon.

Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:42 PM (lwiT4)

598 604 And then I remember that my hope is in God and settle back down. YMMV

Posted by: Long-time Commenter, First-time Reader at December 19, 2017 01:06 PM (Nu6Gg)

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Amen.

Posted by: Blake at December 19, 2017 02:42 PM (IlV2p)

599 Steve Scalise, who the Democrats tried to MURDER, speaking now

suck on it, Dems

Posted by: Harriet Beecher Stowe at December 19, 2017 02:43 PM (Co9e8)

600 "Happens all the time. It might even be part of his business plan. No doubt he re opened under another name in another location and some relative as the owner, after he filed for bankruptcy. This happens frequently. "
Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 02:36 PM (P8ZRC)

He was Czech or some other east european derivative. Probably went back home and with his money, got a Melania twin for a girlfriend and is living the good life.

Posted by: Jwest at December 19, 2017 02:43 PM (/roJx)

601 588 Reagan had the CIA distribute crack in black neighborhoods because he hates black people.

That one was pretty damn vile.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (ul9CR)

And that blood libel was created/pimped by...

MAX-SCENE WATERS.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2017 02:43 PM (mbhDw)

602 Goldbergy perferred Hillary to Trump. Don't ever forget that.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:43 PM (eO5CB)

603 And to be honest, if Bill Gates has to give the IRS a few hundred million when he dies, meh.
Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (4ugMC)

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Im pretty fucking sure Mr Gates has his estate tied up in irrevocable trusts and can afford "last to die" life insurance.

But its nice to see your blessing on what should happen to his stuff.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:43 PM (8XRCm)

604 >>>Which one was the aficionado of exotic sounding deli meats?<<<

I believe David Brooks is the sophisticate you're referring to in this instance. Yes, seems that it's open-season on yokels who don't roll their Rs when ordering fried baloney on ciabatta bread.

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2017 02:43 PM (A1FgP)

605 People tend to accept that higher income people should pay more, even in "progressive" (sic) terms since they can take advantage of itemized deductions and various tax shelters more too.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 19, 2017 02:42 PM (ujg0T)

The estate tax benefits the estate planners and tax attorneys.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 19, 2017 02:43 PM (Ri/rl)

606 Either way. Both would have been better.

Posted by: jwb7605 at December 19, 2017 02:42 PM (DofIg)

^^^THIS

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 19, 2017 02:43 PM (8iiMU)

607 The problem is most Americans don't know jack shit about how any of this works. And today's attention span is 30 seconds. If you can't explain the position on a bumper sticker, you've lost.

Bernie's message: tax rich people, get free shit

Our message: let me explain to you the benefits of allowing carried interest to be taxed at a lower rate....

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:43 PM (4ugMC)

608 584 Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 19, 2017 02:39 PM (akJGf)

That would be because CW WWW WWE WLW WW1 WW2 doubled down and defended Big Kev calling for white genocide.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 02:43 PM (SzZnW)

609 >>His article was as bad as portrayed here, Big Kev would never have been as spiteful if writing about the ghetto.

He also did that column on civility in which he opened it by likening the Trump children to Uday and Qsay Hussein. Takes a lot to lecture people on civility after you do that, eh?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 02:44 PM (W+vEI)

610 We should argue against income tax rates not on economic theory but on the simple fact that taxes are theft.
Posted by: SH

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But some people feel they are getting stolen from more than others based on industry.

A flat tax is the best solution.

I think what sticks up my craw is the most left-wing, ultra rich seemed to be getting the most shielded from taxes. Wall Street, Tech Titans, Hollywood, Sports Team owners, etc

The "old" conservative playbook was that we protect these loopholes, but I think its self defeating.

Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:44 PM (lKmt3)

611 "His article was as bad as portrayed here, Big Kev would never have been as spiteful if writing about the ghetto.
Posted by: sven10077 "

I respectfully disagree. He had some good points about seeking economic opportunities where they are and not demand that the Gov't create them.

However, as mentioned, Williamson can't help himself and had to be a smarmy prick about it so his point was lost.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 02:44 PM (OD2ni)

612 FUCK OFF ASSHOLE

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2017 02:41 PM (5y11N)

That one got the banhammer with a hang time of less than a minute. Not a record, but close.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 19, 2017 02:44 PM (ajiE5)

613 >>Reagan had the CIA distribute crack in black neighborhoods because he hates black people.

And now we have people claiming, seemingly with some pretty strong evidence, that Obama actually let Hezbollah bring cocaine into the country in enormous amounts. Can't wait to hear the left shriek about that.

Life comes at you fast when you're an idiot.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2017 02:44 PM (/tuJf)

614 Im pretty fucking sure Mr Gates has his estate tied up in irrevocable trusts and can afford "last to die" life insurance.

But its nice to see your blessing on what should happen to his stuff.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:43 PM (8XRCm)

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Circular firing squad...
Ready.
Aim.
Fire.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:44 PM (4ugMC)

615 The carried interest deduction, of which I have a very passing knowledge of, and apparently affects hedge funds, and, I think, venture capital funds.
My complaint is that FBN, specifically the lovely Trish Regan, and big-boobed Liz Claman, seem to bitch about it EVERY TIME the discussion turns to the tax bill. I would much rather bask in their glory without the lecture.
Oh, and SHS! is speaking to the press, in a nice green dress and a pearl necklace!

Posted by: Anchorbabe fashion cop at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (8iiMU)

FBN, with the exception of Varney and maybe one or two other ones, constantly trash the tax bill. Trish Regan and Charlie Gasparino (spit!) are the worst.

Posted by: Tami at December 19, 2017 02:45 PM (Enq6K)

616 Because the Estate Tax is a tax on ASSETS, not income, and there are still many many people who are asset rich but net income poor. Farmers, Ranchers, Franchise owners in many parts.

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That is true, but I think it is also true that we have made the estate tax argument one based simply on emotion. And emotional arguments typically do better with voters than logic arguments. Thus, my point is that we (those of us who do not like such high income taxes) should simply argue on emotion and less on economic theory (as true as it may be).

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:45 PM (sX1BW)

617 And to be honest, if Bill Gates has to give the IRS a few hundred million when he dies, meh.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (4ugMC)
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So no harm in feeding a junkie--with an army--what it wants now, eh?

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2017 02:45 PM (JhE5a)

618 Tax charitable foundations and tax the hell out of college endowments.

They're our enemies. To hell with them.

Posted by: Furious George at December 19, 2017 02:45 PM (j+dfT)

619 Do they even know what they're doing any more? Or is it all on autopilot by now?

Posted by: zombie

The ones steering the bus do. The rest are just following the herd.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at December 19, 2017 02:45 PM (AM1GF)

620 "No, that was Kevin "I live in manhattan not Texas anymore" Williamson"

Williamson moved back to Houston I believe.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 02:45 PM (OD2ni)

621 Cooke is a decent fellow. Most there think of him like they used to think of Hannity.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:39 PM (Ckg4U)

Cooke is solid on the second amendment. So I cut him *this much* slack. But then he goes on making snarky Trump cracks and it makes the slack get that much less.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 02:45 PM (xJa6I)

622 Posted by: Shocked and All at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (c5sfq)

Hurry off to Storefront. They're about to serve the afternoon tea and spitzbuben.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2017 02:46 PM (8+Ozj)

623 That one got the banhammer with a hang time of less than a minute. Not a record, but close.
Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 19, 2017 02:44 PM (ajiE5)

I figured it would and I did not repost it, but I felt moved to respond in my typical eloquent way. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2017 02:46 PM (5y11N)

624 Circular firing squad...
Ready.
Aim.
Fire.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:44 PM (4ugMC)

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Hey.... you're the one firing out stupid musings.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:46 PM (8XRCm)

625 Im pretty fucking sure Mr Gates has his estate tied up in irrevocable trusts and can afford "last to die" life insurance.

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Trusts do not magically eliminate estate taxes for people. The only way for the very wealthy to truly minimize their estate tax is to gift it all to charity. Few actually do that.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:46 PM (sX1BW)

626 -Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2017 01:59 PM (cAnNx)

I don't think you try to be a dick, but you achieve it, at times, effortlessly.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:08 PM (Ckg4U)

You underestimate my intent to be a dick when I choose to be.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2017 02:47 PM (ePOjO)

627 Im pretty fucking sure Mr Gates has his estate tied up in irrevocable trusts and can afford "last to die" life insurance.

But its nice to see your blessing on what should happen to his stuff.
Posted by: fixerupper

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Bill gates is one of the leading voices for keeping the Estate Tax.

Sometimes giving these virtue signalers what they want good and hard might be a good thing? Might even shut them up a bit?

Instead this money will go into all sorts of left-wing foundations.

Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:47 PM (lKmt3)

628 609 Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2017 02:44 PM (W+vEI)

Big Kev is in need of my grandmother's "board(of education)"....

that is all

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 02:47 PM (SzZnW)

629 Pretend for a second that Bloomberg and the other anti-gun people succeed in outlawing guns. In that case the old phrase "If guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns" becomes literally true. I wonder if it ever occurred to Mr. Bloomberg and his friends that some of those people he turned into outlaws might resent their new felon status and might try to exact a personal toll from him and his friends for their actions. Who will Mr. Bloomberg hire to protect himself from those gun owners? Why people just like them - of course.

Oops...

Posted by: An Observation at December 19, 2017 02:47 PM (c2hYz)

630
Trusts do not magically eliminate estate taxes for people. The only way for the very wealthy to truly minimize their estate tax is to gift it all to charity. Few actually do that.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:46 PM (sX1BW)

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Last to die life insurance policies will pay the tax bill.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:47 PM (8XRCm)

631 A Monmouth University poll found that the GOP tax plan is deeply unpopular with only 26% approving.

Only 26% approve of paying less taxes. The MFM's brainwashing runs deep.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 02:47 PM (ul9CR)

632 617 And to be honest, if Bill Gates has to give the IRS a few hundred million when he dies, meh.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (4ugMC)
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So no harm in feeding a junkie--with an army--what it wants now, eh?
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2017 02:45 PM (JhE5a)

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It's either the IRS or his foundation which is rabdily leftist and one of the architects of Common Core. I'd rather have the money go to the IRS than become Soros Part 2.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:47 PM (4ugMC)

633 Fuck this asshole is my congress critter

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2017 02:48 PM (5y11N)

634 You underestimate my intent to be a dick when I choose to be.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2017 02:47 PM (ePOjO)

Did someone say 'dick'?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 19, 2017 02:48 PM (8iiMU)

635 That was Kevin Williamson. His article was not as bad as it was portrayed here and had some good points, but that seemed to be the takeaway.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 02:36 PM (OD2ni)

With all due respect, it WAS rather bad, simply because it was Leftist Virtue Signaling from the Establican Right. Kevin Williamson had no problem mocking the rural "white trash" for their relatively minor dysfunctional behaviors, but wouldn't dare write about far more virulent relative dysfunctions among the urban "people of color", not ever.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 19, 2017 02:48 PM (ujg0T)

636 579 Reagan had the CIA distribute crack in black neighborhoods because he hates black people.

That one was pretty damn vile.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (ul9CR)

And AIDS was also Reagan's fault, somehow.

Posted by: rickl at December 19, 2017 02:48 PM (xjiRE)

637 "That is true, but I think it is also true that we have made the estate tax argument one based simply on emotion. And emotional arguments typically do better with voters than logic arguments. Thus, my point is that we (those of us who do not like such high income taxes) should simply argue on emotion and less on economic theory (as true as it may be)."
-Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:45 PM (sX1BW)

Nope.

It has already been taxed once.

Look to Warren Buffet if you'd like to further that argument about income and capitol gains.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:48 PM (Ckg4U)

638 Hey asshole blame the State House in NJ not PDT you dumb prick

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2017 02:48 PM (5y11N)

639 You underestimate my intent to be a dick when I choose to be.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2017 02:47 PM (ePOjO)

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Yeah... but you're a dead dick.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:49 PM (8XRCm)

640 Hey.... you're the one firing out stupid musings.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:46 PM (8XRCm)

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Oh dear. I dare have an opposing opinion. Burn me I'm a witch!! Give me a fucking break dude.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:49 PM (4ugMC)

641 "I respectfully disagree. He had some good points about seeking economic opportunities where they are and not demand that the Gov't create them."

This isn't a bad point, but I wonder -- isn't it different when the government created the problem? Actual economic shifts take time, but, say, bankrupting coal because you get bigger payoffs from oil sheiks and years happened overnight. People adjusted to farming needing less labor, because the change took decades, but regulations wipe out industries in months.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 19, 2017 02:49 PM (fXIMQ)

642 611 "His article was as bad as portrayed here, Big Kev would never have been as spiteful if writing about the ghetto.
Posted by: sven10077 "

I respectfully disagree. He had some good points about seeking economic opportunities where they are and not demand that the Gov't create them.

However, as mentioned, Williamson can't help himself and had to be a smarmy prick about it so his point was lost.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 02:44 PM (OD2ni)
I actually defended him at the time. His point was that if you like in 'rusted out' town, you need to move somewhere that isn't rusted out to get a job and make a life. You don't have to live on top of mama, which is true. Many argued that point though, and as an army brat, that baffles me. However, he's such a Hillary supporting post convention, imperious, smarmy, arrogant prick that I it doesn't matter what he said, I hope everyone hates him.

Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:49 PM (eO5CB)

643 611 Posted by: Benji Carver at December 19, 2017 02:44 PM (OD2ni)

Bullshit, Big Kev should be advocating that the Obama led hyper-regulatory fiat superstate needed thwarted and then communties could evolve in place....

but see THAT would require WORK and expectations of results in our elected class and punditry and they could FAIL at that and thus Big Kev did the EASY thing and essentially argued... "hey Obama and the donks murdering your communities is like the wells going dry.....so move."

I'd love to have him navigate the east side of Washington DC without an expense account.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 02:49 PM (SzZnW)

644 Trusts do not magically eliminate estate taxes for people. The only way for the very wealthy to truly minimize their estate tax is to gift it all to charity. Few actually do that.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:46 PM (sX1BW)

Trusts only avoid probate not the estate tax.

You have to set up a charitable foundation. You need a lot of money to accomplish this.

The guy that owns 3 gas stations cannot afford this and his property, at least in California is worth more than 5 million.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 19, 2017 02:49 PM (Ri/rl)

645 Last to die life insurance policies will pay the tax bill.

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Even Bill Gates couldn't afford a life insurance policy to cover his estate tax bill should he desire to leave it all to his heirs. But yes, life insurance is a way to cover your estate taxes. And it is expensive.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:50 PM (sX1BW)

646 Last to die life insurance policies will pay the tax bill.
Posted by: fixerupper

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Please show me an insurance company that could write a policy like that for Bill Gates.

Insurance companies try to make money on policies they write. How much would they charge Bill Gates for something like that?

Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:50 PM (lKmt3)

647 "Only 26% approve of paying less taxes. The MFM's brainwashing runs deep."

It's meant to be Jobs Bill, but you'll never here that from MSM.
'
You will hear that no tax cut ever helped GDP growth EVER -- except for the one JFK did -- because JFK!

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 19, 2017 02:50 PM (cAXIk)

648 HALL MONITOR!

Posted by: guy who always yells for the Hall Monitor at December 19, 2017 02:51 PM (HgMAr)

649 A Monmouth University poll found that the GOP tax plan is deeply unpopular with only 26% approving.

Only 26% approve of paying less taxes. The MFM's brainwashing runs deep.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 19, 2017 02:47 PM (ul9CR)

Brainless bots. Eager to bring socialism first, which only works until they run out of 'other peoples money', then full scale communism.

I don't want to be around people like that.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 19, 2017 02:51 PM (ajiE5)

650 "You underestimate my intent to be a dick when I choose to be."
-Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2017 02:47 PM (ePOjO)

Of course I do. I'd like to think the best of everyone.

...and I like you.

Send me Spam and I'll rip you a new asshole... lol.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:51 PM (Ckg4U)

651 And AIDS was also Reagan's fault, somehow.
Posted by: rickl at December 19, 2017 02:48 PM (xjiRE)

Don't forget the homeless. I'm sure that issue will come to the forefront now that there's a R in the White House.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 19, 2017 02:51 PM (Ri/rl)

652 Show us on the doll where the bad, bad Trump touched your Principles.

Posted by: rd at December 19, 2017 02:51 PM (4dz1m)

653 It has already been taxed once.

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I'd argue that this the emotion part.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:51 PM (sX1BW)

654 598 604 And then I remember that my hope is in God and settle back down. YMMV

Posted by: Long-time Commenter, First-time Reader at December 19, 2017 01:06 PM (Nu6Gg)

Nope; My mileage is the same.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2017 02:52 PM (8+Ozj)

655 "I respectfully disagree. He had some good points about seeking economic opportunities where they are and not demand that the Gov't create them."

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His points were good, his delivery sucked.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:52 PM (4ugMC)

656 When Kevin Williamson calls people white trash, that is the same as using the N word, in other contexts... the irony is that White Trash is totes okay with everyone, but N word results in instant stake burning... this is hypocrisy.. and creates a lot of cynicism about the culture we have..

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 02:52 PM (pL6Vz)

657 This is actually interesting. I wonder how many of these guys were hired by the various papers and websites as their 'token conservatives' in order to draw clicks and to try to present a sense of impartiality- but the tokens never really believed it. They were merely there to do the job. Say the right things, make the right noises, but their passion was bloodless and hollow. A more cynical man might also note that they may have been in place as stealth idealogues who could gain an audience then try to persuade conservatives on say, immigration for instance.

Now that the mask has been dropped at the various papers and websites, they can now indulge their REAL passion, which is liberalism. Funny that they still call themselves the 'conservatives'. Or maybe not so funny, if their entire purpose was as a wolf in fold in the first place.

Kind of makes you wonder if the same deal went for political candidates. Or maybe not so much wonder.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 19, 2017 02:53 PM (ycWCI)

658 Nothing else explains the united, all-on-the-same page mass hysteria. There are forces aligned against him. Which leads me to the question, why?

Posted by: grammie winger - O Come Let Us Adore Him at December 19, 2017 02:20 PM (lwiT4)

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I think it's leftist strategy. In negotiations, push for the other side to "compromise". If they don't, accuse them of being unreasonable and intolerant. If the other side pushes back your "advances", crank up the hyperbole, accuse the other side of wanting genocide, running over brown children in your pickup, etc.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 19, 2017 02:53 PM (/qEW2)

659 A Monmouth University poll found that the GOP tax plan is deeply unpopular with only 26% approving.

OK your first problem is that you're looking at a poll. The second is that you're looking at Monmouth, which has the worst polling available to day, by a large margin. They're so worthless as to be comical, a clinic in how not to do statistics. Those are the bozos that had Hillary winning Florida by 15 points.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2017 02:53 PM (39g3+)

660 "I'd argue that this the emotion part."
-Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:51 PM (sX1BW)

Argue with facts all you like.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:53 PM (Ckg4U)

661 High tax bad. Low tax good. Ugh.

Posted by: Ugh the Caveman at December 19, 2017 02:53 PM (HgMAr)

662 Please show me an insurance company that could write a policy like that for Bill Gates.

Insurance companies try to make money on policies they write. How much would they charge Bill Gates for something like that?
Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:50 PM (lKmt3)

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Lloyds of London.

Depends on what his tax exposure risk is. You could write a self funding variable product where the rates of return on the value portion of the product cover the premium costs.

Any other questions???

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 02:53 PM (8XRCm)

663 I don't doubt the poll is true. I've spoken to otherwise smart people, who stand to benefit from the tax bill, but who have been brainwashed by the MSM into thinking it's bad.

For all the talk here and elsewhere about the death of the MSM, they still wield enormous power and influence.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:54 PM (4ugMC)

664 Is the tax billl likely to pass in the Senate?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2017 02:54 PM (8+Ozj)

665 Rubin's hatred of Trump is tribal.

Posted by: Sparky at December 19, 2017 02:54 PM (DflMi)

666 "Is the tax bill likely to pass in the Senate?"
-Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2017 02:54 PM (8+Ozj)

Yes.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:54 PM (Ckg4U)

667 Returned the Tax Discussion Wars have.

Posted by: Yoda at December 19, 2017 02:54 PM (vPD1C)

668 I think if you incorporate your business and have the corporation own your assets, it's only a matter of gradually transferring your shares to your heirs while you're still aluve.
But I'm not an accountant.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at December 19, 2017 02:54 PM (hMwEB)

669 And AIDS was also Reagan's fault, somehow.
Posted by: rickl at December 19, 2017 02:48 PM (xjiRE)
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And when that couldn't work with the gestation time, they tried to stretch the rubber band back to reach Nixon, because he was a believable villain. Then Ford, but the only president who could fit the timeline was Carter, so they dropped the conspiracy.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2017 02:55 PM (JhE5a)

670 Trusts only avoid probate not the estate tax.

You have to set up a charitable foundation. You need a lot of money to accomplish this.

The guy that owns 3 gas stations cannot afford this and his property, at least in California is worth more than 5 million.
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Here in the Midwest it's farms. Gotta sell the farm to pay the estate tax. Both Bill Gates and Warren Buffet own many many farms here that had to be sold to pay the estate tax. Evil jerks.

Posted by: Boots at December 19, 2017 02:55 PM (EBwPV)

671 660 "I'd argue that this the emotion part."
-Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:51 PM (sX1BW)

Argue with facts all you like.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:53 PM (Ckg4U)

No! I don't wanna! You can't make me!

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 19, 2017 02:55 PM (NWiLs)

672 644 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2017 02:54 PM (8+Ozj)

Not if I can help it....

//Juan from Scottsdale

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2017 02:55 PM (SzZnW)

673 It has already been taxed once.

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I'd argue that this the emotion part.
Posted by: SH

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Bingo. A lifetime of taxes. Then the person's estate pays the taxes all over again because they died.

Plus, almost everyone thinks they are getting a big windfall, when almost no one gets anywhere near $11 million ($22 million married)

if we were really cynical, you'd keep the issue alive and never solve it, just keep raising the amount.

Most people that are wage earners never think they are going to be a CEO and make millions of dollars, so they have no incentive for the trickle down effect of lower taxes for the top when it comes to income taxes.

Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 02:55 PM (lKmt3)

674 "No! I don't wanna! You can't make me!"
-Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 19, 2017 02:55 PM (NWiLs)

*HAH!*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 02:56 PM (Ckg4U)

675 Returned the Tax Discussion Wars have.

Posted by: Yoda at December 19, 2017 02:54 PM (vPD1C)
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With crossbows and longbows...

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2017 02:56 PM (JhE5a)

676 Cook's piece is good at eviscerating Rubin, but she's an easy target. The problem is he spends a quarter of the article signalling like a blazing train crossing about how icky and awful and stupid and worthless Trump and his supporters are.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2017 02:56 PM (39g3+)

677 "I'd argue that this the emotion part."
-Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:51 PM (sX1BW)

Argue with facts all you like.

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I'm arguing that we should see why we have more success with estate tax v. income tax when what is true of estate tax is true of top income tax rates. Most people will not pay it. Simple to say its already been taxed once. Quick easy argument that appeals to our emotion.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:56 PM (sX1BW)

678 >>Not if I can help it....

>>//Juan from Scottsdale

He can't stop it because he's in Scottsdale. They don't even need his vote.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2017 02:56 PM (/tuJf)

679 Reagan had the CIA distribute crack in black neighborhoods because he hates black people.

That one was pretty damn vile.
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Didn't the left accuse him of LITERALLY going to the park across the street from the White House and stealing food from the homeless?

Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 19, 2017 02:57 PM (vg8iE)

680 Here in the Midwest it's farms. Gotta sell the farm to pay the estate tax. Both Bill Gates and Warren Buffet own many many farms here that had to be sold to pay the estate tax. Evil jerks.
Posted by: Boots at December 19, 2017 02:55 PM (EBwPV)

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Can't you get a loan against the farms though?

Say the farm is worth $10M and the tax bill is $5M for a simple example. Why not get a loan against the farm for $5M and pay that back over 20 years? And granted I have zero farm experience, but seems like it's something that could be done.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:57 PM (4ugMC)

681 617 And to be honest, if Bill Gates has to give the IRS a few hundred million when he dies, meh.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:40 PM (4ugMC)

Ah, but he has that set up going into Foundations or Trusts he set up, so that won't happen.

Mr Farmer or Mr Rancher, on the other hand, will still take it on the chin, but at least less so now.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 19, 2017 02:57 PM (ujg0T)

682 You know the thread's getting stinky when you wish somebody would say that .45 roolz and 9 mm droolz.

Posted by: joncelli, going phalangist at December 19, 2017 02:57 PM (RD7QR)

683 Most people do not actually pay taxes... is this correct??

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 02:57 PM (pL6Vz)

684 667 Returned the Tax Discussion Wars have.
Posted by: Yoda at December 19, 2017 02:54 PM (vPD1C)

That's "The War of 5-figure income Aggression" to you, Yankee.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 19, 2017 02:57 PM (WDCYi)

685 I think if you incorporate your business and have the corporation own your assets, it's only a matter of gradually transferring your shares to your heirs while you're still aluve.
But I'm not an accountant.

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Gift tax is the mirror image of the estate tax. Pay one during life, one at death.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:57 PM (sX1BW)

686 Y'all are looking at the issue from the wrong angle.

We're all examining which tax plan helps or hurts which demographic. But that is actually a peripheral issue.

The goal should be to DIMINISH -- not increase, but decrease -- the amount of money collected by the Federal government.

This is the "starve the beast" theory - -that the Fed has grown to gargantuan proportions that far far outstrip how big it OUGHT to be.

About 50% of government's activities/expenditures are unnecessary and/or even counter-productive. We need to completely reconceptualize what the government is even for and adjust its revenue downward accordingly.

We should slash taxes NOT for the purpose for helping families or spurring the economy but for the obvious purpose of lessening the amount of money the government has at its disposal.

Helping families and spurring the economy are simply nice side-benefits.

Military, basic welfare, infrastructure. Most of the rest of the bureaucracy (and expenditures) can go.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2017 02:58 PM (42M22)

687 Ace probably put the next thread up in draft again....

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 02:58 PM (LiyEm)

688 .10mm is better than .45 acp and crossbows suck! Even when used by Ginger, who's way better than Maryann!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2017 02:58 PM (39g3+)

689 684 667 Returned the Tax Discussion Wars have.
Posted by: Yoda at December 19, 2017 02:54 PM (vPD1C)

That's "The War of 5-figure income Aggression" to you, Yankee.
Posted by: Hikaru at December 19, 2017 02:57 PM (WDCYi)

Does that include the places to the right of the decimal?

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 19, 2017 02:58 PM (NWiLs)

690 683 Most people do not actually pay taxes... is this correct??
Posted by: kraken

Back in 2012, Romney noted that 47% of people pay no taxes.

I think that edged up over 50% a year or so ago.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2017 02:58 PM (42M22)

691 Nothing else explains the united, all-on-the-same page mass hysteria. There are forces aligned against him. Which leads me to the question, why?

Posted by: grammie winger
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Its gotten worse. You might say its been Progressive.

The progress they aim to make is chaos. Of course you could debate whether they want chaos, or whether they think with enough control they can fix everything. Frankly you wind up in the same place regardless.

This isn't politics as usual. Don't let anyone tell you it is. This is a civil war. Opening shots already fired. Organized lawfare coup in place spending millions of taxpayer dollars every month.

What happens next is anybody's guess.

Posted by: simplemind at December 19, 2017 02:58 PM (XaWAh)

692 688 .10mm is better than .45 acp and crossbows suck! Even when used by Ginger, who's way better than Maryann!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2017 02:58 PM (39g3+)

Now you're just being silly.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 19, 2017 02:59 PM (NWiLs)

693 Egg McMuffin is McVain's al-Queda supporting boitoi. Prolly the most irritating anti-Trumper out there. May he be humiliated and scorned by history (to the extent he is deemed worth noting as a footnote, at most)

Posted by: oddnot's waiting for the Happening and Big Ugly at December 19, 2017 02:59 PM (g1MTt)

694 Most people do not actually pay taxes... is this correct??

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 02:57 PM (pL6Vz)
.........

What are taxes?

Posted by: Obama Voter at December 19, 2017 02:59 PM (HgMAr)

695 I'm arguing that we should see why we have more success with estate tax v. income tax when what is true of estate tax is true of top income tax rates. Most people will not pay it. Simple to say its already been taxed once. Quick easy argument that appeals to our emotion.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:56 PM (sX1BW)

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It's not emotion is self-interest. Most people know when they die they will have some assets to pass on. So they are in favor of policy that protects their heirs from paying taxes.

But 99% of people are by default not in the top 1% of income earners, so their self interest is to tax those 1%ers in order to pay for their favorite gubmt cheese.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 19, 2017 02:59 PM (4ugMC)

696 Most people do not actually pay taxes... is this correct??
Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 02:57 PM (pL6Vz)

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Wrong.

Everybody pays taxes. Even corporate taxes.

Because even the new 25% Corporate tax rate will get buried into the costs of production and passed on to the consumer.

But... every body FEEEEELS good sticking it to evil corparations.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 03:00 PM (8XRCm)

697 677 "I'd argue that this the emotion part."
-Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:51 PM (sX1BW)

Argue with facts all you like.

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I'm arguing that we should see why we have more success with estate tax v. income tax when what is true of estate tax is true of top income tax rates. Most people will not pay it. Simple to say its already been taxed once. Quick easy argument that appeals to our emotion.
Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:56 PM (sX1BW)

I think Scott Adams would agree with you. Appeals to emotion tend to stir the masses more than the George Will/Charles Cooke appeals to the intellect.

Intellectual arguments will persuade those who are pursauded by intellect. But emotional appeals hit a wider group.

Wide and shallow vs narrow and deep.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 03:00 PM (xJa6I)

698

The guy that owns 3 gas stations cannot afford this and his property, at least in California is worth more than 5 million.
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Here in the Midwest it's farms. Gotta sell the farm to pay the estate tax. Both Bill Gates and Warren Buffet own many many farms here that had to be sold to pay the estate tax. Evil jerks.
Posted by: Boots at December 19, 2017 02:55 PM (EBwPV)

We are farmers. The estate tax is a hot button issue for me.
My friends are cash poor and land rich. They get very creative with estate planning.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 19, 2017 03:00 PM (Ri/rl)

699 Lloyds of London.

Depends on what his tax exposure risk is. You could write a self funding variable product where the rates of return on the value portion of the product cover the premium costs.

Any other questions???
Posted by: fixerupper

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Its clear you don't know what you're talking about.

Any insurance company that writes a policy is only going to do so if it thinks it can collect more in premiums than it guesses it will have to pay out.

So in your (crazy) hypothetical example, if Gates had like a $30 billion dollar estate tax obligation, Llyods would want more than that in premiums to write such an absurd policy. Otherwise, what is the point?

So even if Gates has an insurance policy covering his estate tax obligation, he's going to have to pay out $30 billion dollars to Lloyd's regardless.

Posted by: Maritime at December 19, 2017 03:00 PM (lKmt3)

700 but wouldn't dare write about far more virulent relative dysfunctions among the urban "people of color", not ever.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 19, 2017 02:48 PM (ujg0T)

Well, we must avoid making the black kids angry at all costs. Or so I've been told.

Saw a nice black girl fight on Fox today--at a mall in Florida, involving a woman with a toddler in a stroller, of all things.

The inherent lack of civilization in some populations, both white and black and brown and blue and purple, make me despair sometimes for our country.

But I suppose I should denounce myself.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 19, 2017 03:01 PM (7UW64)

701 We are farmers.

Bum ba dum bum
Bum bum bum!

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 19, 2017 03:01 PM (NWiLs)

702 Regarding tax cuts, they're pretty low on my priorities. Like, I'm not sure if they break the top 10. And I'm hardly alone in Americans on this.

But I doubt people will turn down a bigger tax return and a lower tax bill, and certainly giving cops a break on taxes will help boot the economy along.

I don't really care much about the bill because I don't make enough money to pay taxes :/ But overall it looks pretty solid. I just find it deeply hilarious that the Democrats are trying to oppose this on the grounds that it... raises taxes on some people. Very wealthy people.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2017 03:01 PM (39g3+)

703 What else can I say about fake conservatives like Rubin, Frum or (shudder) Mcmullin, other than: "So many lampposts - so little time."

Posted by: Publius Redux at December 19, 2017 03:01 PM (Fb9aZ)

704 Way late to this thread (stupid work!) but this made me LOL....

"...and is bald and wan, looks like he knows his way around a glans..."

LOL!!!!

Ace always picks the right word when describing people......

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 19, 2017 03:01 PM (jjaLl)

705 To be fair,the corporations are all on the Democrats side now....

Posted by: steevy at December 19, 2017 03:01 PM (LiyEm)

706 It's not emotion is self-interest. Most people know when they die they will have some assets to pass on. So they are in favor of policy that protects their heirs from paying taxes.

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Perhaps I should say we should use the argument that is easiest to understand, and in that regard it is just easier to understand that I shouldn't pay at 39.5% when someone else is paying at 20%.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 03:02 PM (sX1BW)

707 Wide and shallow vs narrow and deep.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 19, 2017 03:00 PM (xJa6I)

This is all about us, isn't it?

Posted by: the Kardashians at December 19, 2017 03:02 PM (zCyNd)

708 Lower taxes could stimulate businesses, I have heard it said...

Posted by: kraken at December 19, 2017 03:02 PM (pL6Vz)

709 Nood. Fat Joker.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 19, 2017 03:03 PM (ycWCI)

710
"... knows his way around a glans." * snort *

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 19, 2017 03:03 PM (+8Yuj)

711 "I'm arguing that we should see why we have more success with estate tax v. income tax when what is true of estate tax is true of top income tax rates. Most people will not pay it. Simple to say its already been taxed once. Quick easy argument that appeals to our emotion."
-Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 02:56 PM (sX1BW)

And that's how Warren Buffet gets away with saying that his secretary pays a higher rate than he does.

Money and numbers don't lie.

"I'm arguing that we should see why we have more success with estate tax v. income tax when what is true of estate tax is true of top income tax rates.."

What does the bottom 50% pay in income tax? Inheritance tax? State tax?

What does "more success" even mean?

Why shouldn't we get rid of fees, fines, regulations and interstate job-test bullshit?

What do you, personally, get out of taxing the top 1%?

This isn't "emotion". It is numbers.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 03:04 PM (Ckg4U)

712 Most people do not actually pay taxes... is this correct??

No. Most people pay taxes (unless you include people too young to work, retirees, etc). It got close to 50% of people pay no federal taxes under Obama but I suspect that number might actually be diminishing because the economy picks up and jobs come around and we might actually start seeing wages go up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2017 03:04 PM (39g3+)

713 Its clear you don't know what you're talking about.

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Oh??? I passed my series seven license.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 19, 2017 03:04 PM (8XRCm)

714 1980, votes for John Anderson = 5.7 million.

2016, votes for Egg McMuffin = 731k

Why are we paying attention to this doofus?

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at December 19, 2017 03:05 PM (eytER)

715 Meh... *Nood*.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at December 19, 2017 03:06 PM (Ckg4U)

716 679 Reagan had the CIA distribute crack in black neighborhoods because he hates black people.

That one was pretty damn vile.
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Didn't the left accuse him of LITERALLY going to the park across the street from the White House and stealing food from the homeless?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 19, 2017 02:57 PM (vg8iE)

It was worse than that. They accused the Reagan Administration, without a shred of proof, of actively importing cocaine into black neighborhoods, in order to fund the Contras. Leftists were bigly into sucking Sandinista Dick in those days.

While it is at least plausible that a CIA official could turn a blind eye to drug shipments going out of Nicaragua or the rest of Latin America if he knew the proceeds were for the anti-communist resistance, the claim that there was active importing of drugs had no credible evidence whatsoever.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 19, 2017 03:06 PM (ujg0T)

717 Dumbass R from NJ is talking to big-boobed Liz Claman.

He voted no on the tax bill because of the elimination/reduction of the state and local tax deduction. He said he didn't like 'paying taxes on taxes'.

Ummmm, no.

Theoretically, EVERYONE is subject to the Federal tax code, regardless of the state you live in.

It is your STATE that decides whether to gouge your ass or not with THEIR taxes.

So, while it sucks to live in a high tax state, it is something that the State brings upon itself, not the Federal government.

The Feds just decided to take away/reduce a gift. It is not the Feds fault a State has a high tax rate.

Why don't people understand this?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 19, 2017 03:07 PM (8iiMU)

718 "NOT should be in there somewhere."

It amuses me how many of the comments here say the exact opposite of what was meant.

Posted by: Chris M at December 19, 2017 03:07 PM (eAZVt)

719 What does "more success" even mean?

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Estate tax rates have gone down and exemption amounts up very significantly in the past 15 years to the point where few people are subject to it, and yet in this tax bill the exemption doubled from $5MM to 10.

Posted by: SH at December 19, 2017 03:07 PM (sX1BW)

720 I live in AK, where we don't pay state income tax nor do we pay sales tax (except a little bit in some towns, but not Anchorage). I still have a whopping federal income tax bill, because I don't own a home (lost one, and it hasn't been seven years yet, so credit is crap), or another good shelter. I suppose I pay property tax through my rent, and of course for the car. I give a fair bit to charity, as best I can, and I pay my husband's medical bills (which I nearly can't), and heaven forbid I should have much left for retirement savings. It isn't like we don't have paying jobs.

There is something wrong with the federal tax structure if I'm paying for that 50% who don't pay, and they get health insurance subsidies, and welfare, and housing vouchers, and daycare subsidies, and free phones. If we are giving them all that, then why in hell am I paying for it at the expense of retirement?

Everyone should have skin in the game.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 19, 2017 03:08 PM (7UW64)

721 As for Will it's not unusual for conservative men to start tilting left when they get old.

WTF. Where did you come up with that crap. In my experience the older I get the more conservative I become. And, get off my yard.

Posted by: An Observation at December 19, 2017 03:12 PM (c2hYz)

722 Only 26% approve of paying less taxes. The MFM's brainwashing runs deep."

I say less than 1% even know what the tax bill does. Admittedly I have no idea what it entails.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 19, 2017 03:15 PM (qcrxS)

723 717 Dumbass R from NJ is talking to big-boobed Liz Claman.

I friend of mine in NY says she has nipples that look like Vienna sausages. Yummy

Posted by: sofa saver at December 19, 2017 03:16 PM (4u7kU)

724 These people.......are quite mad.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 19, 2017 03:17 PM (fftfA)

725 722 Only 26% approve of paying less taxes. The MFM's brainwashing runs deep."

21% approve of masturbation to completion

Posted by: sofa saver at December 19, 2017 03:18 PM (4u7kU)

726 Wotta revolting development

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Fa La La La La La La FA LA LA LA LA LA LA at December 19, 2017 03:19 PM (sDSJN)

727 Scrooge McDuck is the wrong model, we need investors/inventors.

But TooBigToFail (or Jail) is also wrong. Bailouts for billionaires is wrong, "free trade" with an enemy like China that does not fund all the liberties of America is also wrong.

And a fed reserve that sets rates to save markets, and protect Democrats with ZIRP and QE ... also wrong.

But right now Bush double our debt, then Obama doubled it to $20T, so I think we may have to accept another $10T with Trump at least as the supertanker America pulls of the sandbar and retools.

Second term he can get more inventive with facing the debt ... perhaps. like an older retirement age, tariffs?

Posted by: illiniwek at December 19, 2017 03:23 PM (otAqJ)

728 Returned the Tax Discussion Wars have.

Posted by: Yoda at December 19, 2017 02:54 PM (vPD1C)

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With crossbows and longbows...

So is the tax on a 9mm greater or less than on a .45?

Posted by: An Observation at December 19, 2017 03:27 PM (c2hYz)

729
665 Rubin's hatred of Trump is tribal.

Posted by: Sparky at December 19, 2017 02:54 PM (DflMi)

Are you referring to the tribe Trump's daughter and SIL belong to?

The MOT in Israel seem pretty happy with Trump.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 19, 2017 03:38 PM (ZM2xo)

730 579 I used to be a total skeptic on the supposed sneakiness of Jews infiltrating everywhere and pretending to be on "our" side...

You're being played. You've always been played.

Posted by: Shocked and All at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (c5sfq)

Why is it always "teh Jews" with these clowns? Why not the Belgians or the Presbyterians? (Yeah, I already know the answer).

Posted by: Iowa Bob, true GOP warrior (now with 40% more principles) at December 19, 2017 03:40 PM (tu3iY)

731 522 "This is enough for the Trump worshipers..."

And that's the moment you're no longer worth listening to.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 19, 2017 02:32 PM (fXIMQ)

Thanks for proving my point. You're simply pissed that you can't demand my immediate arrest for pointing out that no, I don't worship Trump like you do...but nor am i holding an hourly Two Minutes Hate for him either.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at December 19, 2017 04:04 PM (XF0vH)

732 I'm going to Wyoming for Christmas. .......tell me they don't allow these MCMuffin head an Romney Rump Mormon Clans across the border...

Posted by: ConcealedKerryOrSubMitt at December 19, 2017 04:07 PM (6WPRH)

733 569 The ONLY WAY that a tax break even given to "the rich" doesn't spur the economy is if the "rich" have a Scrooge McDuck vault.
Posted by: dagny at December 19, 2017 02:35 PM (eO5CB)

Thank you, I don't get all the rich people hate.

I want to be rich, why are we punishing rich people?
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (Ri/rl)

The United States is a very hypocritical society. We teach. and encourage, our children to be the best they can possibly be and reap the rewards. At the exact same time, if you want to be HATED by Americans, simply be successful. Be good at something.

You can respond to the contrary, and indeed there are some like CaliGirl (and myself) who don't get punishing rich people...after all, we all want to get to that point, no? Or at least be financially independent... But if I'm wrong (and I'D LOVE to be), then people like Bernie Sanders wouldn't be elected dogcatcher. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer would be hounded out of their positions with gales of laughter. The Democratic party would enjoy NO electoral success. But the fact that they do tells me that Americans (or at least enough of them) consider envy to be a great moral virtue.

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at December 19, 2017 04:15 PM (XF0vH)

734 The question is whether she ever actually believed any of those positions she claimed to hold, or if they were simply things she had to say to keep her position. The only way she would ever be found out is if those positions were ever about to be implemented, and goodness knows that was never going to happen, right? Perhaps the best and most loyal Democrats were those willing to be called Republicans.

Posted by: DFCtomm at December 19, 2017 04:48 PM (50gG9)

735
why are we punishing rich people?
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 19, 2017 02:38 PM (Ri/rl)

Because they are cultural Marxists, and it's time to give them what they claim to want. Feed them to the Democrats.

Posted by: DFCtomm at December 19, 2017 04:51 PM (50gG9)

736 "Unavailing", forsooth! And bootless too, I trow.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 19, 2017 06:14 PM (alIcn)

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