GOP Senators Amending Tax Reform Bill With Obamacare Mandate Repeal

I don't want to give away the fun bit, but check out John Thune's explanation as to why it's fair to include this repeal in the tax reform bill.

Today I am announcing my intention to amend the Senate tax bill to repeal the individual mandate and provide bigger tax cuts for middle income taxpayers.

The mandate repeal is a promise we all made and we should keep. It also allows an additional $300 billion+ in tax cuts.
— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) November 14, 2017

Dems object that Rs are inserting health care into the tax bill with individual mandate repeal.

"My understanding is the individual mandate is a tax," Thune responds, referencing SCOTUS decision
— Joseph Lawler (@josephlawler) November 14, 2017

I think I remember a few people here making that argument.

Update: Mitch McConnell is on board.

"We're optimistic that inserting the individual mandate repeal would be helpful and that's obviously the view of the Senate Finance Committee Republicans as well," McConnell told reporters.

Posted by: Ace at 03:41 PM

Comments

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1 Thune's response is how this game should be played.

Well done.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at November 14, 2017 03:39 PM (mf5HN)

2 Live by SCOTUS, die by SCOTUS

Posted by: jayhawkone at November 14, 2017 03:39 PM (ZD+J8)

3 YES! FIRST!

TAKE THAT SONOBI!

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at November 14, 2017 03:39 PM (mf5HN)

4 Its a tax that isn't a tax that's a tax but isn't.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 03:39 PM (CPk08)

5 3 YES! FIRST!

TAKE THAT SONOBI!
Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at November 14, 2017 03:39 PM (mf5HN)

I learned the hard way about challenging Lord Sonobi.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 03:40 PM (CPk08)

6 Nice burn.

Posted by: Shinjinrui at November 14, 2017 03:41 PM (h5hE3)

7
Well-played, Senator Thune.

A mic-drop moment.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2017 03:41 PM (mbhDw)

8 3 YES! FIRST!

TAKE THAT SONOBI!
Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at November 14, 2017 03:39 PM (mf5HN)

Sonobi takes all, for Sonobi IS all.

Bow, mortal, as I eat your post.

Posted by: Sonobi at November 14, 2017 03:41 PM (72PAC)

9 This time, BE SURE YOU HAVE THE VOTES BEFORE THE VOTE!! Just sayin.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 14, 2017 03:41 PM (4Q9yr)

10 Hey! They can't do that!! Only we can do that!!

Posted by: Chuck, Nancy, and the Gang at November 14, 2017 03:42 PM (O5Q3r)

11
Never fear. John McStain will make sure to fuck the American people.

They don't make cancer like they used to, I guess.

/s

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2017 03:42 PM (mbhDw)

12 Burn unit to the Senate chambers, please... burn unit to the Senate chambers...

Posted by: mikeski at November 14, 2017 03:43 PM (E2WM7)

13 Thune's bill should also take a good chunk of the SCOTUS Chief Justice's salary to help fund itself.

Posted by: Roy at November 14, 2017 03:43 PM (7n4KQ)

14 11
Never fear. John McStain will make sure to fuck the American people.

They don't make cancer like they used to, I guess.

/s
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2017 03:42 PM (mbhDw)

having a hard time finding the sarcasm in your post, there.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 03:43 PM (CPk08)

15 4 Its a tax that isn't a tax that's a tax but isn't.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 03:39 PM (CPk0

It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma embedded in the tax code.

51 votes for reconciliation. Which only means they'll lose, but it will be close.

Posted by: Bilwis, suddenly not a finicky eater at November 14, 2017 03:43 PM (tMFgx)

16 Dems object that Rs are inserting health care into the tax bill with individual mandate repeal.

"My understanding is the individual mandate is a tax," Thune responds

Check...and mate!

Sweet schadenfreude.

Posted by: zombie at November 14, 2017 03:43 PM (42M22)

17 Sen. Paul plays hard despite the pain of broken ribs. Hope he's wearing a kevlar vest in case another Dim decides to tackle him.

Posted by: endisnigh at November 14, 2017 03:44 PM (bQTiX)

18
Health Insurance is not 'Health Care'.

Health Care is you know... health care. What they pretty much provide whether you have insurance or not.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 14, 2017 03:44 PM (ajiE5)

19 Sonobi takes all, for Sonobi IS all.

Bow, mortal, as I eat your post.
Posted by: Sonobi

Sorry Sonobi. Don't see you with Dolphin browser. ESAD.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2017 03:44 PM (TtorR)

20 Death toll now up to five in NorCal shooting spree. Ugh.

Posted by: zombie at November 14, 2017 03:44 PM (42M22)

21 It's a tax !

Our Betters told us so.

Repeal it now !

Yay !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at November 14, 2017 03:45 PM (Ktb8D)

22 I still can't work out how it is the Mandate was declared a tax, yet taxes cannot be passed through reconciliation. Its illegal, by SCOTUS declaration but nobody seems to care.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 03:45 PM (39g3+)

23 Senator Thune, well played! You deserve a nice quail hunt if this works...

Posted by: Jackal at November 14, 2017 03:45 PM (Wpzi3)

24 Sorry to go O/T, but Shep! just reported that the Turtle is "pursuing all options" to keep Roy Moore out of the Senate.

What a day. I have a headache.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2017 03:45 PM (PY9jH)

25 It's NOT A TAX!!!!!!

Posted by: John Roberts at November 14, 2017 03:45 PM (3BFzK)

26 3 YES! FIRST!

TAKE THAT SONOBI!
Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at November 14, 2017 03:39 PM (mf5HN)

...

Ace needs a post template that has a "sonobi sucks" jpg pre-positioned in the right spot.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 14, 2017 03:45 PM (yL25O)

27 As good a burn as it is, defining as a tax is also very important to "paying" for the tax cut.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 03:46 PM (/tuJf)

28 "My understanding is the individual mandate is a tax," Thune responds, referencing SCOTUS decision.

---

It's a dessert topping!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 14, 2017 03:46 PM (m5oKu)

29 51 votes for reconciliation. Which only means they'll lose, but it will be close.
Posted by: Bilwis, suddenly not a finicky eater at November 14, 2017 03:43 PM (tMFgx)

There's no way they would propose anything they didn't actually want to win though, is there?

(See JJ S? That's how you do the 's' thing)

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 03:46 PM (CPk08)

30 They can't do this.

It would be good.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 03:46 PM (3myMJ)

31 22: To disagree with Obama's wants labels you racist, so eff the Constitution says Roberts

Posted by: cn at November 14, 2017 03:46 PM (5gaNQ)

32 School shooting in CA just apsycho who flipped out -- not terrorism, not political:

"“It was very clear at the onset that we had an individual that was randomly picking targets,” Johnston said.

He declined to release the name of the shooter but said the gunfire began with a domestic violence incident that neighbors reported.

Brian Flint told the Record Searchlight newspaper in the city of Redding that his neighbor, whom he knows only as Kevin, was the gunman and that his roommate was among the victims. He said the shooter also stole his truck.

“The crazy thing is that the neighbor has been shooting a lot of bullets lately, hundreds of rounds, large magazines,” Flint said. “We made it aware that this guy is crazy and he’s been threatening us.”

Authorities have recovered a semi-automatic rifle and two handguns after the shootings in the rural subdivision described on its website as a “quiet private country community” where “the people are friendly and the pace is relaxed.”

Posted by: zombie at November 14, 2017 03:46 PM (42M22)

33 "51 votes for reconciliation."

Do we need Rand Paul, Ron Moore/TBD?

I assume we lose McCain and Collins and that other chick

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 14, 2017 03:47 PM (cAXIk)

34 Sorry Sonobi. Don't see you with Dolphin browser. ESAD.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2017 03:44 PM (TtorR)

Don't make me force the Dolphins to go the way of the Manatee.

Posted by: Sonobi at November 14, 2017 03:47 PM (72PAC)

35 Sen. Paul plays hard despite the pain of broken
ribs. Hope he's wearing a kevlar vest in case another Dim decides to
tackle him.

Posted by: endisnigh at November 14, 2017 03:44 PM (bQTiX)

This. Bad luck tends to come in threes. He's survived the Prog attack on the baseball field, and a Prog attack on his own lawn.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2017 03:47 PM (PY9jH)

36 Nicely done, Sen. Thune.

Posted by: LASue at November 14, 2017 03:47 PM (hZ+us)

37 apsycho = a psycho

Posted by: zombie at November 14, 2017 03:47 PM (42M22)

38 Never fear. John McStain will make sure to fuck the American people.

They don't make cancer like they used to, I guess.
............

Us war heros are tough as nails.
Ow, my head.

Posted by: Sen. Drooling John (R) at November 14, 2017 03:47 PM (HgMAr)

39 They don't make cancer like they used to, I guess.

/s

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2017 03:42 PM (mbhDw)

I am perfectly willing to send him my husband's cancer, if that would "improve" his outcome.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 14, 2017 03:47 PM (7UW64)

40 When is a mandate not a tax? Whenever the Dems find it convenient.

Posted by: Lily(former Bronco Superfan) now of AoSHQ assassin in the night at November 14, 2017 03:47 PM (mI5FQ)

41 >> I still can't work out how it is the Mandate was declared a tax, yet taxes cannot be passed through reconciliation. Its illegal, by SCOTUS declaration but nobody seems to care.

Taxes can be passed in reconciliation as long as they are revenue neutral.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 03:48 PM (/tuJf)

42 BOOM, roasted!

*mic drop*

Posted by: Sen. Thune at November 14, 2017 03:48 PM (W+vEI)

43 Yeah five dead in school shootings, over several places, including the shooter.

Out are coming the "unless you ban guns, then hopes and prayers are evil" comments again. They're gonna ride that until it becomes so reviled they have to come up with a different tack.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 03:48 PM (39g3+)

44 My BFF died pretty quickly when her cancer spread to her brain.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2017 03:48 PM (PY9jH)

45 Off topic, but Roy Moore should announce that back in 1977, he identified as a muslim but dated 16 year olds because he couldn't bring himself to dicking 9 year olds like mohammed.

Posted by: OCBill at November 14, 2017 03:48 PM (I1WUK)

46 Sorry to go O/T, but Shep! just reported that the Turtle is "pursuing all options" to keep Roy Moore out of the Senate.

What a day. I have a headache.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2017 03:45 PM (PY9jH)

Maybe when the people of Alabama sue his sorry hide for an unconstitutional block of a duly elected Senator, he might stop this crap. At some point, the Alabama AG needs to start explaining who selects Senators and it isn't McConnell.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 14, 2017 03:48 PM (jErY5)

47 In other news: Bannon is going after McConnell, looking into his life 40 years ago.

I can tell you the rumor on the ground here in Kentucky is that Mitch was kicked out of the army for molesting troops of lower rank or just for being gay. There was supposedly some documents in the library of the University of Kentucky collection that should share light on Mitch's sudden discharge however those went missing in the early 90's and this story (the missing document part) was noticed in the early 90's by the old Kentucky Kernel.

So get word to Mr Bannon. Let's make a turtle soup.

Posted by: Rory at November 14, 2017 03:49 PM (emywJ)

48 Taxes can be passed in reconciliation as long as they are revenue neutral.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 03:48 PM (/tuJf)

??? How the fuck can a tax be revenue neutral? I mean, other than no one paying it?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 03:49 PM (CPk08)

49 They can't do this.

It would be good.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 03:46 PM (3myMJ)
..........

It makes sense, so forget it.

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2017 03:49 PM (HgMAr)

50 24: Mitch already played his hand with the miracle accusettes. He just wants amnesty and big Luther's something

Posted by: cn at November 14, 2017 03:49 PM (5gaNQ)

51 Don't make me force the Dolphins to go the way of the Manatee.

Posted by: Sonobi

Firefox, PaleMoon, and Brave all say hi. Or would if they saw you at all...

/flips Sonobi the bird

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 14, 2017 03:50 PM (AM1GF)

52 Today I am announcing my intention to amend the Senate tax bill to repeal the individual mandate and provide bigger tax cuts for middle income taxpayers.

The mandate repeal is a promise we all made and we should keep. It also allows an additional $300 billion+ in tax cuts.
-- Senator Rand Paul

========

RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGHHHHH!!!!!!!!

RAND MAKE HULK ANGRY! HULK HATE RAND! RAND NOT LIKE HULK WHEN HULK GET ANGRY!

AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHH!!!!!!!!

HULK WAIT UNTIL GRASS GROW TALL! THEN HULK MAKE SURPRISE ATTACK!

Posted by: René Boucher at November 14, 2017 03:50 PM (/qEW2)

53 They don't make cancer like they used to, I guess.

/s

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2017 03:42 PM (mbhDw)

The first mistake was attacking that mass of scar tissue that keeps his head from imploding.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 14, 2017 03:50 PM (y7DUB)

54 Much like when the evil jooos burned the bridge from the West Bank to Gaza, Sometimes a Tax is a mandate and sometimes a mandate is a tax. Depends on how it helps or hurts the march toward global miser..ah err equzlity.

Posted by: VOX Splainer at November 14, 2017 03:50 PM (3BFzK)

55 On the fly and just stopped by. Hard to figure out what the topic is here. Seems kind of all over the map.

Posted by: grammie winger - How many days till Spring Training? at November 14, 2017 03:50 PM (4VKUh)

56 Oh hellz ya!

Posted by: Schadenboner at November 14, 2017 03:51 PM (NF2Bf)

57 I have decided to live my life as a gay man.

Posted by: Judge Roy Moore at November 14, 2017 03:51 PM (3BFzK)

58 >>??? How the fuck can a tax be revenue neutral? I mean, other than no one paying it?

Now you are getting into the totally bogus static scoring of the CBO. I didn't say it was logical or even made economic sense but this is part of the game of Budget Reconciliation and the reason they tried to get Obamacare repeal done first.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 03:51 PM (/tuJf)

59 Off topic, but Roy Moore should announce that back in 1977, he identified as a muslim but dated 16 year olds because he couldn't bring himself to dicking 9 year olds like mohammed.
Posted by: OCBill

*golf clap*

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 14, 2017 03:51 PM (326rv)

60 Q: When is a tax not a tax?
A: When it's terrorist attax and the media don't want you to know.

Posted by: Mega at November 14, 2017 03:51 PM (p34gt)

61 LOL!

So McStain will be able to fuck tax cuts and OCare repeal with the same no vote.

Awesome

Posted by: WaPo at November 14, 2017 03:51 PM (MuT58)

62 Sonobi is a type of spider, very dangerous.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 14, 2017 03:52 PM (bML9A)

63 "Posted by: Rory at November 14, 2017 03:49 PM (emywJ)"

he's a turdle burglar

Posted by: DanMan at November 14, 2017 03:52 PM (XTiHL)

64 Senator Paul is my new hero ( if he pulls this off)

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 03:52 PM (aC6Sd)

65 44 My BFF died pretty quickly when her cancer spread to her brain.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2017 03:48 PM (PY9jH)

My BFF died in 2nd grade from a brain tumor. But, there's a lot they can do about those now that they couldn't even 2 years ago.

I guess it is nasty to wish anyone dead. I will simply say that, for his sake and that of his family, the old fart should be put out to pasture.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 14, 2017 03:52 PM (7UW64)

66 I'm no lawyer but as to the Moore situation, at what point do the GOPe, MFM, and the usual suspects cross over to insurrection?

Posted by: JTB at November 14, 2017 03:52 PM (V+03K)

67 LOL!

So McStain will be able to fuck tax cuts and OCare repeal with the same no vote.

Awesome
Posted by: WaPo

it's a no-brainer.

Posted by: Pres. John McCain at November 14, 2017 03:52 PM (326rv)

68 You gotta love the hypocrisy.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2017 03:53 PM (nXduh)

69 That could be an AoS production - Empress AlextheChick vs Sonobi the Movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 14, 2017 03:53 PM (wdl1A)

70 I'm no lawyer but as to the Moore situation, at what point do the GOPe, MFM, and the usual suspects cross over to insurrection?
Posted by: JTB at November 14, 2017 03:52 PM (V+03K)

Several weeks ago.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 14, 2017 03:53 PM (jErY5)

71 I'll take a crack at Juan McKeating.

Posted by: Prostate Cancer at November 14, 2017 03:53 PM (3BFzK)

72 I have to say I didn't think it was possible for the GOP to be more incompetent with taxes than they were with O-Care. I stand corrected. If the Dems had a chance to plan out the GOP's tax reform process, they wouldn't have been able to make them fuck it up more than they have already.

They can't be this incompetent right? They have to be doing it on purpose. I'm not sure which option is worse to be honest.,

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 03:54 PM (MuT58)

73 To all the D's and the Supreme Beings........

It is a tax you dummys, you F-n told me it was.

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 03:54 PM (aC6Sd)

74 Yeah but taxes have to originate in the House, and if you go to Reconciliation its not a house bill any longer. That's not a rule of congress, its the US constitution.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 03:54 PM (39g3+)

75 Firefox, PaleMoon, and Brave all say hi. Or would if they saw you at all...

/flips Sonobi the bird
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 14, 2017 03:50 PM (AM1GF)

Lord Sonobi is patient, and shows restraint.

I do not advise, I only observe.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 03:54 PM (CPk08)

76
I am perfectly willing to send him my husband's cancer, if that would "improve" his outcome.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 14, 2017 03:47 PM (7UW64)

That's why I kind of regret joking about such things. And my his illness be swiftly and surely vanquished.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2017 03:54 PM (mbhDw)

77 John Roberts, you magnificent bastard.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2017 03:54 PM (nXduh)

78 69 That could be an AoS production - Empress AlextheChick vs Sonobi the Movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 14, 2017 03:53 PM (wdl1A)

But the review alone would take up pages and pages....

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 14, 2017 03:54 PM (7UW64)

79 Maybe when the people of Alabama sue his sorry hide for an unconstitutional block of a duly elected Senator, he might stop this crap. At some point, the Alabama AG needs to start explaining who selects Senators and it isn't McConnell.
Posted by: Jen the original at November 14, 2017 03:48 PM (jErY5)

----

Nonsense, I can lift this much politcal weight easily. Watch this. Uhhhh--

*Spine springs loose from back muscles and falls on the floor*

Posted by: Mitch McConnell, chinless shitweasel at November 14, 2017 03:54 PM (m5oKu)

80
The interesting thing about this is that they think removing the Individual Mandate will save the Treasury money.

There's some truth there, behind all the incessant lies.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 14, 2017 03:55 PM (ajiE5)

81 Nice try GOP.

Posted by: John Glover Roberts Jr. at November 14, 2017 03:55 PM (4e+hS)

82 "
I'm no lawyer but as to the Moore situation, at what point do the GOPe, MFM, and the usual suspects cross over to insurrection?"

========

That was on last Thursday.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at November 14, 2017 03:55 PM (3BFzK)

83 it's a no-brainer.
Posted by: Pres. John McCain at November 14, 2017 03:52 PM (326rv)

No -frontal lober, to be precise.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 03:55 PM (CPk08)

84 Didn't Pres Trump threaten again to use an EO to repeal the individual mandate? (which truthfully, I don't think is possible, the individual mandate is in the statute, correct?)

Rand Paul is Pres. Trump's new best friend.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 14, 2017 03:55 PM (jErY5)

85 77 John Roberts, you magnificent bastard.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2017 03:54 PM (nXduh)

I was thinking more SOB...

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 14, 2017 03:55 PM (7UW64)

86 Does McShit actually have cancer? I thought it was a cancer-like thing but not actual cancer. Whatever it is, doesn't seem to be doing us any good.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 03:56 PM (MuT58)

87
*Spine springs loose from back muscles and falls on the floor*

Posted by: Mitch McConnell, chinless shitweasel at November 14, 2017 03:54 PM (m5oKu)

Oh, Mitch, you ignorant slut.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 14, 2017 03:56 PM (7UW64)

88 Zombie re: shooting. I so hope the Boomtown Rats don't make a song about this California shooting.

And if the guy was doing that much shooting dear neighbor, why didn't you tell the local LEO about it?

As for the victims and their families, prayers that you may find solace in these difficult times.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 14, 2017 03:57 PM (wdl1A)

89 86 Does McShit actually have cancer? I thought it was a cancer-like thing but not actual cancer. Whatever it is, doesn't seem to be doing us any good.
Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 03:56 PM (MuT5

By brain tumor standards, it's malignant.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 03:57 PM (CPk08)

90 84 Didn't Pres Trump threaten again to use an EO to repeal the individual mandate? (which truthfully, I don't think is possible, the individual mandate is in the statute, correct?)

__

Speaking of EOs, whatever happened to Trump's EO to allow cross-border insurance sales? He signed the EO and then nothing changed, and down the memory hole it went.

Oh and if I'm a little pissy today, it's because my cheapest option for insurance for 2018 is $1000/mo with a $12K deductible.

So fuck off McCain, I hope your cancer or whatever it is will be painful, so very very fucking painful.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 03:57 PM (MuT58)

91 What we need is Rand Paul sitting on Trump's shoulder everyday telling him what isn't a good idea and what is. The closer those two get together the better our party gets at winning.

Posted by: Rory at November 14, 2017 03:58 PM (emywJ)

92 If it somehow gets through expect someone to sue and for John Roberts to declare that it is unconstitutional to remove the "tax"

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 14, 2017 03:58 PM (z/Ubi)

93 "My understanding is the individual mandate is a tax," Thune responds, referencing SCOTUS decision

------

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!

**points**

**laughs**

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Posted by: fixerupper at November 14, 2017 03:58 PM (8XRCm)

94 We can take a mandate and give you two smaller mandates. Or we could give you a tax and a mandate. Or we can give you two taxes. We can change a mandate to whatever you want it to be.

Posted by: Citibank Coin Changer at November 14, 2017 03:59 PM (3BFzK)

95 IN THE YEAR 2311 IN A GALAXY NOT FAR AWAY
THE EVIL RACE OF MACHINES, THE SONOBI
ATTACK THE PLANET AND EMPRESS ALEXTHECHIC
LEADS HER MINIONS INTO THE UNIVERSE TO FIGHT
THE SONOBI IN GUERILLA WARFARE

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 03:59 PM (aC6Sd)

96 "In other news: Bannon is going after McConnell, looking into his life 40 years ago."

Good. I want this fucker gone, no matter what it takes.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 14, 2017 03:59 PM (398bZ)

97 At this point it is like Schrodinger's Cat in regards to McCain.

Is his brain a tumor or is the tumor his brain?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 14, 2017 03:59 PM (wdl1A)

98 By brain tumor standards, it's malignant.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In

McCain or the tumor?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 14, 2017 03:59 PM (AM1GF)

99 89 86 Does McShit actually have cancer? I thought it was a cancer-like thing but not actual cancer. Whatever it is, doesn't seem to be doing us any good.
Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 03:56 PM (MuT5

By brain tumor standards, it's malignant.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 03:57 PM (CPk0

Yes his brain is definitely in danger of contaminating that poor innocent tumor.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 14, 2017 04:00 PM (z/Ubi)

100 "74 Yeah but taxes have to originate in the House, and if you go to Reconciliation its not a house bill any longer. That's not a rule of congress, its the US constitution."

The senate finance committee can make the changes during markup. That's why you have two vastly different bills right now to begin with. It's also where this change came from.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2017 04:00 PM (nXduh)

101 The mandate is a moot point anyway. It's already effectively null and void. The only way the IRS can collect the fee is from a refund. So if you don't buy insurance, just overpay your taxes a little. No refund = no penalty.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:00 PM (MuT58)

102 Yertle is gay?

Makes sense considering he always looks like something is being shoved up his ass.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 14, 2017 04:00 PM (4ErVI)

103 Does McShit actually have cancer? I thought it was a cancer-like thing but not actual cancer. Whatever it is, doesn't seem to be doing us any good.
Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 03:56 PM (MuT5

According to a press release from the Mayo Clinic and McCain himself, he was diagnosed with a glioblastoma and has a poor prognosis.

Glioblastoma's depending on where they are located and the size, have differing outcomes. There have been individuals live as long as five years, the average is 18 months.

McCain is , what 82? He shouldn't be in the Senate just from the standpoint that NO one should be in Congress for decades. Much less someone who is diagnosed with a fatal brain cancer.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 14, 2017 04:00 PM (jErY5)

104 I know tacks, and that, sir, is no tack.

Posted by: Your Third Grade Teacher at November 14, 2017 04:00 PM (ctuyM)

105 McCain " A little dab will do you"

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 04:00 PM (aC6Sd)

106 "In other news: Bannon is going after McConnell, looking into his life 40 years ago."

GREAT!!! The left and the gopE will not like us playing by their rules.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at November 14, 2017 04:01 PM (3BFzK)

107

Odds this will pass?

What of Flake, Corker, Murkowski, and Collins

Posted by: ThunderB at November 14, 2017 04:01 PM (bcmfT)

108 How a smart GOP would have done tax cuts:

Whatever you paid last year, take 10% off. That is our tax plan.

Any questions?

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:01 PM (MuT58)

109
Sorry Sonobi. Don't see you with Dolphin browser. ESAD.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2017 03:44 PM (TtorR)

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So.... you got rid of SONOBI.... on porpoise??

Posted by: fixerupper at November 14, 2017 04:01 PM (8XRCm)

110 McCain or the tumor?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 14, 2017 03:59 PM (AM1GF)

Well, one is a corrosive out of control mindless growth that does little but cripple, and the other is a glioblastoma.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 04:02 PM (CPk08)

111 McCain is , what 82? He shouldn't be in the Senate just from the standpoint that NO one should be in Congress for decades. Much less someone who is diagnosed with a fatal brain cancer.

"Heck I'm not stepping down from congress even if I'm convicted. And if I can keep these payments up to jurors, I'll be found not guilty anyway."
--Bob Menendez, friend of Clinton and McCain

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 04:02 PM (39g3+)

112

This is theater to save McConnell

The GOP votes to kill it are lined up

Posted by: ThunderB at November 14, 2017 04:02 PM (bcmfT)

113
Reading between the lines I might venture a guess that:

o Millions of people aren't paying the tax
o Millions of people -- since they're not paying the tax -- aren't filing IRS returns either
o The IRS doesn't have the resources to go 'after' millions of people
o The UniParty likes taxpayers to pay tax
o They're admitting defeat in hopes of turning millions of tax delinquents into taxpayers

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 14, 2017 04:02 PM (ajiE5)

114 >>>"In other news: Bannon is going after McConnell, looking into his life 40 years ago."

In turtle years, that's only like 5 human years ago.

Posted by: wooga at November 14, 2017 04:02 PM (q1q2l)

115 Dolphin did it for the halibut.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 14, 2017 04:02 PM (wdl1A)

116 Thune wins the internetz today. Take Roberts' ruling and shove it right up the Democrat asses' asses.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 14, 2017 04:02 PM (NWiLs)

117 74 Yeah but taxes have to originate in the House, and if you go to Reconciliation its not a house bill any longer. That's not a rule of congress, its the US constitution.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 03:54 PM (39g3+)

Nay, nay, nay!

Senator Pedophile Reid took a House bill on something unrelated, stripped everything out, and inserted the entire Obamacare kludge into it.

The bill must originate in the House, none of the contents of the bill have to originate in the House.

Stupid, but so is Congress.

Posted by: rd at November 14, 2017 04:02 PM (4dz1m)

118 McCain or the tumor?
===============================

Embrace the power.

#And

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 14, 2017 04:03 PM (LISuA)

119 101 So all I have to do is get my employer to take for the US Treasury exactly what I will owe.

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 04:03 PM (aC6Sd)

120 >>This is theater to save McConnell

>>The GOP votes to kill it are lined up

Those two statements don't go together. If they don't get tax reform done McConnell is done.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:03 PM (/tuJf)

121 McCain is , what 82? He shouldn't be in the Senate just from the standpoint that NO one should be in Congress for decades.

Bite your tongue, boy!

Posted by: Strom Thurmond at November 14, 2017 04:03 PM (7uYFy)

122 Sure we inserted the mandate repeal in the tax bill. We know it isn't going to pass.

Posted by: Mitch Turtle at November 14, 2017 04:03 PM (J70i0)

123 "85 77 John Roberts, you magnificent bastard.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2017 03:54 PM (nXduh)

I was thinking more SOB..."

I'm not Roberts biggest fan. But Roberts knew that someday parties would change and that stating it was a tax, would make the entire bill, and mandate, much more vulnerable to repeal.

People could not see that at the time because Democrats were predicting a thousand year reich.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2017 04:04 PM (nXduh)

124 Yeah but taxes have to originate in the House, and if you go to Reconciliation its not a house bill any longer. That's not a rule of congress, its the US constitution.

----

Ummm... screw that. It was "deemed" to have passed.

We're just going to "undeem" it.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 14, 2017 04:04 PM (8XRCm)

125 How sad and pathetic is McCain anyway? You have brain cancer. You're 82. And you spend the last months of your life acting like a spoiler for your own political party?

Putting aside his specific policies, what a fucking sad piece of shit. Normal people would quit and spend their last days doing shit they love like fishing or playing golf or whatever and spending it at home with family. Instead he will spend his last days with Jeff Flake and Lindsey Graham in Washington DC. What a sad, sad man.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:04 PM (MuT58)

126 Sorry Sonobi. Don't see you with Dolphin browser. ESAD.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2017 03:44 PM (TtorR)

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So.... you got rid of SONOBI.... on porpoise??
Posted by: fixerupper at November 14, 2017 04:01 PM

It takes a 'Theta to see 'un.

Posted by: Lispy Tom Cruise at November 14, 2017 04:04 PM (ctuyM)

127 Those two statements don't go together. If they don't get tax reform done McConnell is done.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:03 PM (/tuJf)

But they tried, so hard.

Posted by: son of sonobi at November 14, 2017 04:04 PM (BTwZs)

128 So how long until McCain is against tax reform?

Posted by: petunia at November 14, 2017 04:04 PM (VoCyE)

129 For the record, the letter from my insurance company, received a few weeks ago, explained their rate raises for 2018 and the reasons in detail.

A part of the raise was blamed on the loss of the mandate, which they had already baked into the system. What did they know that I didn't?

Posted by: TB at November 14, 2017 04:05 PM (wNx6K)

130 Putting aside his specific policies, what a fucking sad piece of shit. Normal people would quit and spend their last days doing shit they love like fishing or playing golf or whatever and spending it at home with family. Instead he will spend his last days with Jeff Flake and Lindsey Graham in Washington DC. What a sad, sad man.
Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:04 PM (MuT5

Apparently he loves nothing other than a) power and b) being an asshole.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 14, 2017 04:05 PM (NWiLs)

131 McCain is , what 82? He shouldn't be in the Senate just from the standpoint that NO one should be in Congress for decades. Much less someone who is diagnosed with a fatal brain cancer.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 14, 2017 04:00 PM (jErY5)
..............

And what does his family think that he wants to hang around the Senate instead of them..."Thanks for small favors"?

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2017 04:05 PM (HgMAr)

132 I got the Dolphin browser with the hope of losing SONOBI but it's still there. The new update seemed to get hung up on opening the comments so I have 2 apps.

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 04:05 PM (aC6Sd)

133 Those two statements don't go together. If they don't get tax reform done McConnell is done.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:03 PM (/tuJf)

Actually they do. McConnell can say they tried to repeal it but they didn't have the votes to pass the tax bill because the House was so unreasonable. We need more Senators like Luther Strange, Rob Portman, John McCain, etc, and then we can get the job done.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 14, 2017 04:05 PM (J70i0)

134 McCriminal did stop the SCOTUS pick but I think that was because he thought the FAB would win and put a out and out communist as the pick, the gopE would be in the minority, and he could once again say I did everything possible and send money.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at November 14, 2017 04:06 PM (3BFzK)

135 Normal people would quit and spend their last days doing shit they love like fishing or playing golf or whatever and spending it at home with family. Instead he will spend his last days with Jeff Flake and Lindsey Graham in Washington DC.

"you left off the part where I do it by stabbing everyone in the back that I've hated for my whole life. I have a list here" (unrolls like a scroll 500 feet long)
--John McCain

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 04:06 PM (39g3+)

136 Those two statements don't go together. If they don't get tax reform done McConnell is done.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:03 PM (/tuJf)

___

McConnell will be done as senate leader since the GOP will lose the senate. And that's exactly what McConnell and the rest of the GOP wants. Then when they're the minority they can pretend to oppose stuff, while never actually having to come up with anything on their own.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:06 PM (MuT58)

137 They are constantly whipping the vote. If you think they didn't do that b fore this was announced, think again.

They already got bent over on the health care vote. They are trying to make sure that doesn't happen again.

I'm betting right now they have the votes. These people are weasels.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2017 04:06 PM (nXduh)

138
SONOBI is the nicname.

The Full name is

SONOBITCHIN' POP UPS

Posted by: fixerupper at November 14, 2017 04:06 PM (8XRCm)

139 The funniest part is the Individual Mandate still hasn't even been enforced.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 14, 2017 04:06 PM (xfb67)

140 Putting aside his specific policies, what a fucking sad piece of shit. Normal people would quit and spend their last days doing shit they love like fishing or playing golf or whatever and spending it at home with family. Instead he will spend his last days with Jeff Flake and Lindsey Graham in Washington DC. What a sad, sad man.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:04 PM (MuT5

..........

His hatred of Trump is all that's keeping him alive.

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2017 04:07 PM (HgMAr)

141 I learned the hard way about challenging Lord Sonobi.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 03:40 PM (CPk0 fnord (CPk0

WTF I take a break to take care of some bidness and suddenly everybody's a "lord?"

What is this, rank inflation? No lord left behind?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 14, 2017 04:07 PM (wB8Tg)

142 >>>Those two statements don't go together. If they don't get tax reform done McConnell is done.

Mitch is going to be fucking miserable in December.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 14, 2017 04:07 PM (4Q9yr)

143 In other news Venezuela has defaulted and you'll never guess who is to blame.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:07 PM (3myMJ)

144 Then when they're the minority they can pretend to oppose stuff, while never actually having to come up with anything on their own.
Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:06 PM (MuT5

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And Trump gets zero, nada, nyet, ...legislative wins.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 14, 2017 04:07 PM (8XRCm)

145 I was thinking more SOB..."

I'm not Roberts biggest fan. But Roberts knew that someday parties would change and that stating it was a tax, would make the entire bill, and mandate, much more vulnerable to repeal.

People could not see that at the time because Democrats were predicting a thousand year reich.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2017 04:04 PM (nXduh)

No people could see at the time that the parties would change. We're just all aware that once a government program gets going it is next to impossible to get rid of. And Roberts could have killed this abomination then and there but he didn't.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 14, 2017 04:07 PM (z/Ubi)

146 I know Rand takes a lot of heat around here, but to be fair he fights and seems to actually understand that he serves The People.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 04:07 PM (g4lFK)

147 >>Yeah but taxes have to originate in the House, and if you go to Reconciliation its not a house bill any longer. That's not a rule of congress, its the US constitution.

Reconciliation gets around that by saying that what is happening is amending current laws not introducing new ones.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:07 PM (/tuJf)

148 So.... you got rid of SONOBI.... on porpoise??
Posted by: fixerupper

Holy mackerel! I guess I did!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2017 04:08 PM (TtorR)

149 Here comes a Sith Lord embracing fully the Dark Side of the Force to engage in battle Sonobi.

*cues up light-sabre sounds*

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 14, 2017 04:08 PM (wdl1A)

150 IT'S NOT A TUMAH!

Oh my mistake.

Posted by: Ahnold at November 14, 2017 04:08 PM (ymnmz)

151 People could not see that at the time because Democrats were predicting a thousand year reich.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2017 04:04 PM (nXduh)

No, he folded under pressure and came up with his half-witted decision. Otherwise continue with your mind altering substances. His job is to interpret law, not play politics.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 14, 2017 04:08 PM (J70i0)

152 113
Reading between the lines I might venture a guess that:

o Millions of people aren't paying the tax
o Millions of people -- since they're not paying the tax -- aren't filing IRS returns either
o The IRS doesn't have the resources to go 'after' millions of people
o The UniParty likes taxpayers to pay tax
o They're admitting defeat in hopes of turning millions of tax delinquents into taxpayers
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 14, 2017 04:02 PM (ajiE5)

____

All of the above. Nobody is paying the tax because there is no enforcement mechanism. All you have to do is say "yes I had insurance all years" on the tax form and that's it. There is no proof required.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:08 PM (MuT58)

153 120 "If they don't get tax reform done McConnell is done."

From your lips to God's ears.

But sadly, I think McConnell will do anything to avoid doing anything that looks like a win for Trump. He's as all-in against Trump as Schumer and Pelosi.

Posted by: OCBill at November 14, 2017 04:08 PM (df+Zi)

154 148 So.... you got rid of SONOBI.... on porpoise??
Posted by: fixerupper

Holy mackerel! I guess I did!
Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2017 04:08 PM (TtorR)

What a shad day for popups.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 14, 2017 04:08 PM (NWiLs)

155
Putting aside his specific policies, what a fucking sad piece of shit. Normal people would quit and spend their last days doing shit they love like fishing or playing golf or whatever and spending it at home with family. Instead he will spend his last days with Jeff Flake and Lindsey Graham in Washington DC. What a sad, sad man.
Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:04 PM (MuT5

_______________

And AZ is beautiful this time of year. You'd think he would take advantage of the limited time he has left to enjoy it.

But no, he'll stay in D.C., just so he can keep screwing over the people who voted him into office. Jerk.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 14, 2017 04:09 PM (BXf9o)

156 You know, this isn't such a bad bill. I think we should vote for it. Hey, John! This is actually a good idea!

John? You there?

The line's dead. Shit.

Posted by: John McCain's De-Efferentiated Left Orbitfrontal Cortex at November 14, 2017 04:09 PM (CPk08)

157 I'm all for a smaller tax bill just like everyone else.

But what about spending cuts? People -they are passing a $4 TRILLION budget. Count the zeroes in that.

It is long past time this government, much like Lena Dunham, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell, was put on a diet.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 14, 2017 04:09 PM (jxbfJ)

158

Is this the De-Cuckening?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 04:09 PM (oF/3c)

159 >>Actually they do. McConnell can say they tried to repeal it but they didn't have the votes to pass the tax bill because the House was so unreasonable. We need more Senators like Luther Strange, Rob Portman, John McCain, etc, and then we can get the job done.

If they don't get Obamacare repeal or tax reform done the issue will probably be moot since they will likely lose their majority.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:09 PM (/tuJf)

160
This is theater to save McConnell

The GOP votes to kill it are lined up
Posted by: ThunderB at November 14, 2017 04:02 PM (

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At this point, either McConnell delivers, or he is humiliated as GOPe leader.

If Juan McCain doesn't vote yes, I better see him with both arms in slings from the GOPe twisting his arms in the cloakroom. Ditto with the c-words from Alaska and Maine.

Posted by: rd at November 14, 2017 04:09 PM (4dz1m)

161 The Taxman giveth, and the Taxman taketh away.

But mostly taketh away

Posted by: Pete Seria at November 14, 2017 04:09 PM (lJW6d)

162 156
You know, this isn't such a bad bill. I think we should vote for it. Hey, John! This is actually a good idea!

John? You there?

The line's dead. Shit.

Posted by: John McCain's De-Efferentiated Left Orbitfrontal Cortex at November 14, 2017 04:09 PM (CPk0

But I'm still here.

Posted by: The Tumor at November 14, 2017 04:09 PM (jxbfJ)

163 People could not see that at the time because Democrats were predicting a thousand year reich.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2017 04:04 PM (nXduh)

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THAT and a Roberts adoption hearing.

But mostly an adoption hearing.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 14, 2017 04:09 PM (8XRCm)

164

The ~~Reckoning~~ Recuckening.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at November 14, 2017 04:10 PM (oF/3c)

165 #DitchMitch

Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November 14, 2017 04:10 PM (oVJmc)

166 132 I got the Dolphin browser with the hope of losing SONOBI but it's still there. The new update seemed to get hung up on opening the comments so I have 2 apps.
Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 04:05 PM (aC6Sd)

You'll need adblocker installed to get it to disappear. And if you still want ace to get the ads on the main page, you can of course set adblocker to be disabled there.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (z/Ubi)

167 McConnell is already finished. His poll numbers as of April of this year were around 18% approval back home.

I doubt he'll even run again. Which means he can do everything possible to try and ruin Trump.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (4ErVI)

168 So when do they officially lose the vote?

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (3myMJ)

169 I'm betting right now they have the votes. These people are weasels.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2017 04:06 PM (nXduh)

Maybe you aren't familiar with the popular play around here, "Failure Theater."

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (J70i0)

170 I got the Dolphin browser with the hope of losing SONOBI but it's still there.

??? I'm running Dolphin on my iPhone 6+S.
No Sonobi.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (TtorR)

171 #MitchtheDitch?

#twoweeks?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (wdl1A)

172 "All you have to do is say "yes I had insurance all years" on the tax form and that's it. There is no proof required."

Under penalty of perjury?

Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (w7KSn)

173 In other news Venezuela has defaulted and you'll never guess who is to blame.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:07 PM (3myMJ) fnord (3myMJ)

Me! Me! Me!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (wB8Tg)

174 Now in refreshing peppermint.

Posted by: Poison Pill at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (r9UYA)

175 I'm not Roberts biggest fan. But Roberts knew that someday parties would change and that stating it was a tax, would make the entire bill, and mandate, much more vulnerable to repeal.

That's an interesting, but ridiculous and completely irrational spin. He had a choice between wiping it out and keeping it alive, so that later some future congress could remove it? And he picked the latter, why exactly?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (39g3+)

176 149 Here comes a Sith Lord embracing fully the Dark Side of the Force to engage in battle Sonobi.

*cues up light-sabre sounds*
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 14, 2017 04:08 PM (wdl1A)

Lord Sonobi need not stoop to combat.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (CPk08)

177 McCancerFuck already said he was against the tax bill. And the cunts from Alaska and Maine will be against it as well for some bullshit reason.

It's not passing.

I just wish they'd stop trolling us. That's all.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:12 PM (MuT58)

178 175
I'm not Roberts biggest fan. But Roberts knew that someday parties
would change and that stating it was a tax, would make the entire bill,
and mandate, much more vulnerable to repeal.

That's an interesting, but ridiculous and completely irrational
spin. He had a choice between wiping it out and keeping it alive, so
that later some future congress could remove it? And he picked the
latter, why exactly?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (39g3+)

And writing both opinions. There is a special ring in hell for this.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (jxbfJ)

179 " I'm not Roberts biggest fan. But Roberts knew that someday parties would change and that stating it was a tax, would make the entire bill, and mandate, much more vulnerable to repeal. "

-

Not the 14 dimensional chess argument again. Stop.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (MuT58)

180 I'm all for a smaller tax bill just like everyone else.
............

Who works.

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (HgMAr)

181 >>>>LOL!

So McStain will be able to fuck tax cuts and OCare repeal with the same no vote.

Awesome
.
.
.I wouldn't count my chickens before they cross the road quite yet. 2018 is coming up and there are 10 extremely vulnerable Dems in States that Trump trounced hillary that are up for reelection.

Just sayin......

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (+Dllb)

182 If they don't get Obamacare repeal or tax reform done the issue will probably be moot since they will likely lose their majority.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:09 PM (/tuJf)

They don't care. I mean they're busy trying to lose the Alabama senate seat. The graft will flow with or without the majority.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (J70i0)

183 177 McCancerFuck already said he was against the tax bill. And the cunts from Alaska and Maine will be against it as well for some bullshit reason.

It's not passing.

I just wish they'd stop trolling us. That's all.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:12 PM (MuT5

I wish they'd find their bodies in car trunks, but to each their own.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (4ErVI)

184 Me! Me! Me!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (wB8Tg)

You are definitely under suspicion. Luckily for you, the FBI is "looking into it".

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (3myMJ)

185 180
I'm all for a smaller tax bill just like everyone else.

............

Who works.

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (HgMAr)

I stand, as corrected. Thank you for catching my faux pas.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (jxbfJ)

186 Venezuela de-faulted?

So where did the fault line go?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (wdl1A)

187 172 "All you have to do is say "yes I had insurance all years" on the tax form and that's it. There is no proof required."

Under penalty of perjury?
Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (w7KSn)

___

Seriously?

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (MuT58)

188 "173 In other news Venezuela has defaulted and you'll never guess who is to blame."

The chubby Miss Universe from the 2016 election?

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (OD2ni)

189 McConnell will be done as senate leader since the GOP will lose the senate. And that's exactly what McConnell and the rest of the GOP wants. Then when they're the minority they can pretend to oppose stuff, while never actually having to come up with anything on their own.
Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:06 PM (MuT5

I understand what you are saying, but this really make sense? I thought one of the things the GOPe elite hated about Trump was that they thought he would jeopardize their majority by flaming out against FAB. I do believe they want to defeat Trump's overall agenda, but I don't think they want to give up control. They think they are threading a needle. They could deal with a Democrat president, but not being a minority party.

Posted by: Strom Thurmond at November 14, 2017 04:14 PM (7uYFy)

190 All of the above. Nobody is paying the tax because there is no enforcement mechanism. All you have to do is say "yes I had insurance all years" on the tax form and that's it. There is no proof required.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:08 PM (MuT5

I'm sure there's more than a few people who think that lying on an IRS return could land them in deep shit. Better to have the dog eat the return, the mailman lose it, or whatever...

Not a brag, but I've produced material in the million run number and Holy Shit does that take a lot of time, energy, and material. A million 'lost' tax reforms? The IRS knows they can't do shit. Sure they can automagically send out millions of notices every 30 days, but that doesn't generate revenue, only cost.

I imagine there's been more than a few 'closed door' sessions where the IRS commis explained this to our betters.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 14, 2017 04:14 PM (ajiE5)

191 Won't this acclerate the end of ObamaCare? There won't be any money. Young people won't buy policies or pay penalty. Heck, even families won't.

It should never have been done the way it was. The existing framework should have stayed, and then pools formed for hi risk and pre-existing conditions. B/c those needing more healthcare totally skew the premiums for everyone else and screws up the whole system. And yes, healthcare and insurance is more expensive with less choice b/c of what they did.

Plus, they gave carte blanche to drug companies to set prices. Wtf? No negotiations. Which has Americans paying way more than other countries, and we should be paying less, based on numbers alone. What assclowns. Must have gotten personal graft in order to give that away. A business person would have been fired for doing that.

And this healthcare should be free crap? No, it shouldn't. You have a responsibility to care for your health and basics of living. Why should it be free. It disincentives people. They don't have to take care of themselves. It uncouples responsibility and behavior too.

Nor do I want the IRS determining my healthcare. Nor the govt. In general. Palin was right about death panels...but it wouldn't be called that. But yes, we would have to ration care.

Just stream of conciousness really. I wasn't on Ace when this whole thing went down.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla or morose moronic moose muse at November 14, 2017 04:15 PM (/ZbKn)

192 Here comes a Sith Lord embracing fully the Dark Side of the Force to engage in battle Sonobi.

*cues up light-sabre sounds*

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 14, 2017 04:08 PM (wdl1A) fnord (wdl1A)

And, in addition, since the Dark Side is ancient, I can embrace it and not end up all over the papers.

It's more kind of an extended hug than a full embrace thing, though.

I'm being supportive. The Dark Side has been through a lot.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 14, 2017 04:15 PM (wB8Tg)

193 182
If they don't get Obamacare repeal or tax reform done the issue will
probably be moot since they will likely lose their majority.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:09 PM (/tuJf)

They don't care. I mean they're busy trying to lose the Alabama
senate seat. The graft will flow with or without the majority.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (J70i0)

I'm more and more convinced they WANT to lose in 2018, and even 2020. As WOPR said - their gravy train is assured no matter what. Losing, in their own myopic way, is to teach us plebes to rise up like we did and elect Trump instead of their chosen cuckhold.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 14, 2017 04:15 PM (jxbfJ)

194 >>>The chubby Miss Universe from the 2016 election?

Bitch used a LOT of toilet paper!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 14, 2017 04:15 PM (4Q9yr)

195 >>They don't care. I mean they're busy trying to lose the Alabama senate seat. The graft will flow with or without the majority.

Yea, I've heard that maybe a time or two around here and I don't buy it for a second. They love being in charge.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:15 PM (/tuJf)

196 137 They are constantly whipping the vote. If you think they didn't do that b fore this was announced, think again.

They already got bent over on the health care vote. They are trying to make sure that doesn't happen again.

I'm betting right now they have the votes. These people are weasels.
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Hope you're right, but my guess is its a throw away item to curry some Dems to get on board. Just spitballin.

Posted by: Pudding Head at November 14, 2017 04:15 PM (YV+SU)

197 "The crazy thing is that the neighbor has been shooting a lot of bullets lately, hundreds of rounds, large magazines," Flint said. "We made it aware that this guy is crazy and he's been threatening us."

Authorities have recovered a semi-automatic rifle and two handguns after the shootings in the rural subdivision described on its website as a "quiet private country community" where "the people are friendly and the pace is relaxed."

Posted by: zombie at November 14, 2017 03:46 PM (42M22)

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Ok, just a question to clear up my ignorance.

Regarding the above, gun use seems to be taken for granted. Ie. "he'd been shooting a lot of bullets lately", as if but for the recent uptick, him shooting off some rounds in his back yard would be no big deal.

But I thought that CA had among the most restrictive gun regulations in the US. Is it that the gun control laws only apply to certain cities like LA or SF? I thought when CA clamps down, it tends to clamp down on things statewide (like paté and plastic bags).

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 14, 2017 04:15 PM (/qEW2)

198 I wouldn't count my chickens before they cross the road quite yet. 2018 is coming up and there are 10 extremely vulnerable Dems in States that Trump trounced hillary that are up for reelection.

Just sayin......
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 04:13 PM (+Dllb)

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I would have agreed with you 8 months ago. Which is why it was a YUUGELY bigly big mistake not to do tax cuts first. They would have got a few Dem votes.

But now, the GOP bill could promise sunshine and lollipops for life for every American and no Democrat will vote for it. They smell blood in the water in 2018 and they're not about to help the GOP/Trump in any way.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:16 PM (MuT58)

199 Actually, no, this is worse than meaningless.

Practical effect on those hardest hit (by far) by O-care: zero. Individual market unaffected, still destroyed.

Principle: so endorsing one of SCOTUS's worst blunders is "clever"? No, it's stupid. Even as a tactical matter, to conform with germaneness rules in Congress. Especially when a completely adequate, mundane angle (fiscal effect) is sufficient to meet that test.

Nice reminder of the state of things, though. GOP will not repeal, per its promises for years, and just as important refuses to make their "opponents" pay any political price for blocking repeal.

Oh well.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 14, 2017 04:16 PM (QDnY+)

200 195 >>They don't care. I mean they're busy trying to lose the Alabama senate seat. The graft will flow with or without the majority.
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With the Dems defending 25 seats, maybe McConnell figures he keeps the Senate w/o Moore?

Posted by: Pudding Head at November 14, 2017 04:16 PM (YV+SU)

201 I imagine there's been more than a few 'closed door' sessions where the IRS commis explained this to our betters.

"...and that's why we need more personnel and budget, to catch all these people and put them in an iron coffin, with spikes on the inside!"
--IRS execs

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 04:16 PM (39g3+)

202 46 Sorry to go O/T, but Shep! just reported that the Turtle is "pursuing all options" to keep Roy Moore out of the Senate.

What a day. I have a headache.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2017 03:45 PM (PY9jH)

+++

The Dims must just sit back and laugh and laugh.

Posted by: washrivergal at November 14, 2017 04:16 PM (tcwn1)

203 WTF I take a break to take care of some bidness and suddenly everybody's a "lord?"

What is this, rank inflation? No lord left behind?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 14, 2017 04:07 PM

It's an 'o' for men, and an 'a' for women.

Posted by: Lard Trigglypuff at November 14, 2017 04:17 PM (ctuyM)

204 O/T....Seriously? McConnell is floating Jeff Sessions name for a write in campaign to take back his old seat?

Drudge has th elink.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 04:17 PM (+Dllb)

205 The guy who does my taxes asks if I have insurance coverage and proof thereof ( it's in the deductions on a w-2) , if the law says you get taxed , you get taxed.

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 04:17 PM (aC6Sd)

206 >>I would have agreed with you 8 months ago. Which is why it was a YUUGELY bigly big mistake not to do tax cuts first. They would have got a few Dem votes.

Not a chance in hell.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:17 PM (/tuJf)

207 But Roberts knew that someday parties would change and that stating
it was a tax, would make the entire bill, and mandate, much more
vulnerable to repeal.

And set the ludicrous precedent that Congress can make you engage in commerce and call it a 'tax?'

If Roberts was intending that, he's cuckoo.

Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November 14, 2017 04:17 PM (oVJmc)

208 Actually Venezuela defaulted a month ago.

There was a one month grace period.

That just ended.

Now the bondholders have to decide what to do. Argentina worked it off over 15 years. Safe to say there is no quick fix coming here either.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:17 PM (3myMJ)

209 Lord Sonobi need not stoop to combat.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (CPk0 fnord (CPk0

He'd also have to climb down into the shield matrix and disable the ad blocker.

Mind you, unlike some dork engineers, I don't leave control panels in the open.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 14, 2017 04:17 PM (wB8Tg)

210 And, in addition, since the Dark Side is ancient, I can embrace it and not end up all over the papers.

It's more kind of an extended hug than a full embrace thing, though.

I'm being supportive. The Dark Side has been through a lot.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 14, 2017 04:15 PM (wB8Tg)

Do you nor understand who owns even the ad blockers to begin with? No matter whom you embrace, Lord Sonobi awaits.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 04:18 PM (CPk08)

211 Every tax form I ever signed says right there that you attest to its accuracy under penalty of perjury.

And yes, it does get enforced. Usually selectively.

Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:18 PM (w7KSn)

212 Yea, I've heard that maybe a time or two around here and I don't buy it for a second. They love being in charge.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:15 PM (/tuJf)

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Then how do you explain Alabama? I could understand if they had 58 seats and losing one was no biggie. But they have 52. They lose Alabama, it's down to 51. And losing 2 seats in 2018, while hard won't be impossible.

Yet they are doing everything they can to get down to 51. McConnell does not want to be in the majority.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:18 PM (MuT58)

213 202
46 Sorry to go O/T, but Shep! just reported that the Turtle is "pursuing all options" to keep Roy Moore out of the Senate.

What a day. I have a headache.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2017 03:45 PM (PY9jH)

+++

The Dims must just sit back and laugh and laugh.

Posted by: washrivergal at November 14, 2017 04:16 PM (tcwn1)

Ignore the will of the people. That's a real winning strategy right there.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 14, 2017 04:18 PM (jxbfJ)

214 Sorry to go O/T, but Shep! just reported that the Turtle is "pursuing all options" to keep Roy Moore out of the Senate.

I'll give up on Moore if McConnell goes too.

Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November 14, 2017 04:19 PM (oVJmc)

215 Wait, this whole thing is just hot air? Performance art? Tax bill wasn't gonna pass? Why did I even care then.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla or morose moronic moose muse at November 14, 2017 04:19 PM (/ZbKn)

216 211 Every tax form I ever signed says right there that you attest to its accuracy under penalty of perjury.

And yes, it does get enforced. Usually selectively.
Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:18 PM (w7KSn)

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Nobody will go to jail for lying about having insurance. Worst case scenario you pay a fine and penalties.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:19 PM (MuT58)

217 O/T....Seriously? McConnell is floating Jeff Sessions name for a write in campaign to take back his old seat?

Drudge has th elink.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

Sessions has already shot that down

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 04:19 PM (+wPJl)

218 Every tax form I ever signed says right there that you attest to its accuracy under penalty of perjury.

Yeah they make it very clear over and over again that everything must be completely accurate and the signature says that you agree to this and attest you are telling the truth under penalty of law. They even spell out the penalties.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 04:19 PM (39g3+)

219 Oh well need to meander and do things. Amazon keeps kicking back proposed ad campaigns for my stories, something about ellipsis not allowed though I never put any in. So scratching ad campaigns for now.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07769T9FZ

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 14, 2017 04:19 PM (wdl1A)

220 I am waiting for little Billy Kristol and the rest of the ladies of the View to tell me how to think on this.

Posted by: Archer at November 14, 2017 04:19 PM (gbWkA)

221 The Uniparty stays in power if the GOP tanks in 2018 and 2020.

Posted by: a masculine trans-gender lesbian at November 14, 2017 04:19 PM (g4lFK)

222 With the Dems defending 25 seats, maybe McConnell figures he keeps the Senate w/o Moore?
Posted by: Pudding Head at November 14, 2017 04:16 PM (YV+SU)

Bingo.
This thing with Moore is personal. It's McConnell's way of trying to fuck Bannon. They don't want him to be a kingmaker and have control over who gets elected wearing their "brand."
The GOP is not going to lose control of Congress, not in 2018.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 14, 2017 04:19 PM (7uYFy)

223 I'll give up on Moore if McConnell goes too.

Posted by: Mr. Roy Peebles at November 14, 2017 04:19 PM (oVJmc)

Hmmm...that is an acceptable compromise.

Posted by: IC at November 14, 2017 04:20 PM (a0IVu)

224 205 The guy who does my taxes asks if I have insurance coverage and proof thereof ( it's in the deductions on a w-2) , if the law says you get taxed , you get taxed.
Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 04:17 PM (aC6Sd)

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The law also says it can only be collected from a refund. No refund = fuck you, I ain't paying shit for the mandate.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:20 PM (MuT58)

225 "Sorry to go O/T, but Shep! just reported that the Turtle is "pursuing all options" to keep Roy Moore out of the Senate.

What a day. I have a headache.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2017 03:45 PM (PY9jH)

+++

The Dims must just sit back and laugh and laugh.
Posted by: washrivergal at November 14, 2017 04:16 PM (tcwn1)"

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Why don't McConnell and Ryan just declare the entire Congress Democrat so we all know where we stand.

What's more, whatever happened to letting The People have a say?

Posted by: Decaf at November 14, 2017 04:20 PM (te/Nx)

226 The Dims must just sit back and laugh and laugh.

Yep, they figured out a way to win a senate seat without any voting happening.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 04:20 PM (39g3+)

227 His hatred of Trump is all that's keeping him alive.
Posted by: wth

All that hate is gonna eat you up inside, kid.

Posted by: Col. Andrew Tanner, USAF at November 14, 2017 04:21 PM (vcOmj)

228 >>>It's McConnell's way of trying to fuck Bannon.

Just put some Visine in his Smoothie. Too easy.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 14, 2017 04:21 PM (4Q9yr)

229 And then when the aliens take over...I've got this dialed, stick with me here...

-Justice John Roberts

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:21 PM (3myMJ)

230 >>Then how do you explain Alabama? I could understand if they had 58 seats and losing one was no biggie. But they have 52. They lose Alabama, it's down to 51. And losing 2 seats in 2018, while hard won't be impossible.

Are you seriously surprised that politicians would condemn a guy who is being hit with multiple claims of chasing teenage girls and having at least questionable relationships with one and now two in this environment? I'm not.

Hell, even Trump has come out and said if the charges are true he should step aside. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:21 PM (/tuJf)

231 Huh, Seems like a positive, in terms of the GOP following through on its promises.
That could kill its chances also.

Seems to me that eliminating the individual mandate is one of the two ways to speed up the death of Obamacare, the other being not backstopping losses to insurance companies, which I believe they've done somehow already. Is that true? At any rate, they will "own it" when Obamacare does hit the wall because by meddling in it they've put their foot on the accelerator.

They better have a plan B after that, because the press and the Ds will scream bloody murder, and the dolts will believe them.

So in short, I see this as a down payment on undertaking a huge responsibility by the GOP, which cuts against their proven character.
So, it won't happen.
Maybe it's just there to be bargained away later.

Posted by: Ursus Theordorus at November 14, 2017 04:21 PM (z79tQ)

232 The law also says it can only be collected from a refund. No refund = fuck you, I ain't paying shit for the mandate.

That is what I've been using since it came out. I pay no taxes, I get no refund, I am outside that loop. There's no way in hell I will sign up for ACA. Come garnishee my >$1000 a year earnings.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 04:21 PM (39g3+)

233 215 Wait, this whole thing is just hot air? Performance art? Tax bill wasn't gonna pass? Why did I even care then.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla or morose moronic moose muse at November 14, 2017 04:19 PM (/ZbKn)

AlL da STudies show daty Repubikans are Shtyoopid nukle draggers. So we can say wun thing an fuk'em, over fer yeears and tghyel'll stil vote for US, because we aren't thise faggoty Dems.

->70% of Republican Senators.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (CPk08)

234 "I understand what you are saying, but this really make sense? I thought one of the things the GOPe elite hated about Trump was that they thought he would jeopardize their majority by flaming out against FAB. I do believe they want to defeat Trump's overall agenda, but I don't think they want to give up control. They think they are threading a needle. They could deal with a Democrat president, but not being a minority party."

I agree with this. McConnell is an annoying insider but IMO he is not the monster he is often portrayed in conservative circles (from Mark "buy my books and CRTV" Levin). He stood up to a lot of abuse from Obama/Dems/Media over the Garland pick and it paid off for conservatives. He can't really help it if Collins/Murkowski/McCain are determined to F us at every opportunity.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (OD2ni)

235 #3 Well played, Mistress. Well played.

Wait? Do you smell gas... from a severed line???

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Posted by: Lord Sonobi in his fortress of ingratitude at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (mJ8mX)

236 Weird thing is ... the Dims don't really want to win AL with a Democrat running Confederate ads. It might remind people of who they are.

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (+wPJl)

237 218 Every tax form I ever signed says right there that you attest to its accuracy under penalty of perjury.

Yeah they make it very clear over and over again that everything must be completely accurate and the signature says that you agree to this and attest you are telling the truth under penalty of law. They even spell out the penalties.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 04:19 PM (39g3+)

HAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAH!

Posted by: Turbo Tax Tim at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (z/Ubi)

238 "175 I'm not Roberts biggest fan. But Roberts knew that someday parties would change and that stating it was a tax, would make the entire bill, and mandate, much more vulnerable to repeal.

That's an interesting, but ridiculous and completely irrational spin. He had a choice between wiping it out and keeping it alive, so that later some future congress could remove it? And he picked the latter, why exactly?"

Eh, now your forcing my me to defend his argument, which I don't completely agree with. But if you look at the facts, the challengers didn't want the law designated as a tax for good reason. One is what You are seeing right now.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (nXduh)

239 Are you seriously surprised that politicians would condemn a guy who is being hit with multiple claims of chasing teenage girls and having at least questionable relationships with one and now two in this environment? I'm not.

After barney Frank, Teddy kennedy and Robert Sheets Byrd, yes. Yes I am.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (326rv)

240 Perjury is perjury and is a felony and if someone or something wants to give you heartburn with it, they will do it.

Likewise with fraud. If the IRS suspects fraud they can go back in time as far as they want.

The same IRS that hates conservatives.

Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (w7KSn)

241 It's a shame and it's not right, but the dirty tricks have burned Moore. If he gets elected, he may not get certified, or seated and even if he somehow gets to sit in Congress, he becomes a rallying cry against the GOP.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (7uYFy)

242 "Live by SCOTUS, die by SCOTUS

Posted by: jayhawkone at November 14, 2017 03:39 PM (ZD+J

"

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Dems will find out soon that their favorite strategy will no longer work for them.

Posted by: Decaf at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (te/Nx)

243
17 Sen. Paul plays hard despite the pain of broken ribs. Hope he's wearing a kevlar vest in case another Dim decides to tackle him.

Posted by: endisnigh at November 14, 2017 03:44 PM (bQTiX)

Y'know, giving a brutal beat-down to your enemies from ambush doesn't always cow them into submission. Sleeping tigers, dawg.

Posted by: Zombie Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto at November 14, 2017 04:23 PM (veoSD)

244
Tell you what Turtle.

If you pull off Killing Obamacare AND Getting Meaningful Tax Reform done....

.... you can toss Roy Moore.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 14, 2017 04:23 PM (8XRCm)

245 Under penalty of perjury?
Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:11 PM (w7KSn)
________________

Clearly you're not an illegal alien, or you would have been clued in about this at one of our seminars, amigo!

Document perjury is a crime that is rarely prosecuted, for a simple reason: it is a specific intent crime. That means that the prosecutor has to prove that you intended to perjure yourself, in order to get a conviction.

It's quite simple to negate the intent element: just say that you misunderstood the question. (We tell "undocumented Americans" to claim that they don't read English well, as it is not their first language. But you can come up with any excuse that works for you. ) No specific intent, no provable crime, no prosecutor will bother to charge you.

To give you an example we use often, many applications for welfare benefits in the U.S. contain the question "Are you a U.S. citizen or legal resident?" We tell our undocumented Americans to always answer yes. In the unlikely event you are ever questioned about your answer (and citizenship is almost never verified, so it's not a big worry for you), you simply tell the person questioning you that you thought that the question was asking if you want to be a U.S. citizen, not if you actually are a citizen. Simple mistake, right? And your misunderstanding negates the requisite specific intent.

See how easy it is, amigo?

Posted by: LaRaza at November 14, 2017 04:23 PM (BXf9o)

246 223 I'll give up on Moore if McConnell goes too.
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Here's the deal, McConnell has to find 50 votes for Tax Reform. We all know McCain, Paul, Collins and Murkowski will likely vote 'Nay'. That leaves McConnel with 48 'yea' votes and in bad need of two Dem 'yea' votes. So of course McConnell offers Moore as a bargaining chip to do the deal. The Dems can virtue signal while the sins of Billy Clinton are visited on some other white southerner that the Yankees don't like. Its a deal deal.

Posted by: Pudding Head at November 14, 2017 04:23 PM (YV+SU)

247 O/T....Seriously? McConnell is floating Jeff Sessions name for a write in campaign to take back his old seat?

Drudge has th elink.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 04:17 PM (+Dllb)

The UniParty must win.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 14, 2017 04:23 PM (J70i0)

248 Are you seriously surprised that politicians would condemn a guy who is being hit with multiple claims of chasing teenage girls and having at least questionable relationships with one and now two in this environment? I'm not.

Hell, even Trump has come out and said if the charges are true he should step aside. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:21 PM (/tuJf)

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***IF*** the charges are true.

Say Mr Straw, someone said that you raped them 40 years ago. What's that? No I don't give a shit what you say. She said you did it. We'd like you to quit your job immediately please.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:23 PM (MuT58)

249 >>>The chubby Miss Universe from the 2016 election?
..........

She still down there? If so she's probably not as much of a fat pig.

Posted by: Jefe El Donaldo at November 14, 2017 04:23 PM (HgMAr)

250 "Now (Venezuela) bondholders have to decide what to do. "

this is going to hurt, isn't it?

Posted by: the bondholders' pillows at November 14, 2017 04:24 PM (d8+yp)

251 >>>>>With the Dems defending 25 seats, maybe McConnell figures he keeps the Senate w/o Moore?

Posted by: Pudding Head at November 14, 2017 04:16 PM (YV+SU)

Bingo.

This thing with Moore is personal. It's McConnell's way of trying to
fuck Bannon. They don't want him to be a kingmaker and have control
over who gets elected wearing their "brand."

The GOP is not going to lose control of Congress, not in 2018.
.
.
.Correct. McConnell can pick and choose where he wants to fight and he chose this one because his BFF got beat in the Primary.

As I said above, there are 10 extremely vulnerable democrats up for reelection in States where Trump schlonged hillary so McConnell doesn't need Moore. That plus it's a two year seat only and even if a Dem wins they will loose it in 2020.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 04:24 PM (+Dllb)

252 "It's McConnell's way of trying to fuck Bannon."

McConnell predicted Roy Moore was a disaster in the making and Bannon pushed him. Advantage McConnell.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 14, 2017 04:24 PM (OD2ni)

253 "Never fear. John McStain will make sure to fuck the American people.

They don't make cancer like they used to, I guess.

/s
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2017 03:42 PM (mbhDw)"

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I don't believe he has cancer, that announcement was just a ploy to gain him some sympathy.

Posted by: Decaf at November 14, 2017 04:25 PM (te/Nx)

254 Obamacare was was created by taking a House bill cover sheet and inserting 2500 pages of horse crap, dog vomit, cat hairballs, Pelosi's used Depends, and Obama Lies.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 14, 2017 04:25 PM (bmkS9)

255 So the individual mandate repeal was the incentive to get Rand Paul to support it?

I like it.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at November 14, 2017 04:25 PM (mf5HN)

256 All that hate is gonna eat you up inside, kid.
Posted by: Col. Andrew Tanner, USAF at November 14, 2017 04:21 PM (vcOmj)

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*flambouyantly flips balisong closed

Keeps me warm.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 14, 2017 04:25 PM (8XRCm)

257 242: Ain't happening. Too many GOPe will vote for "bipartisanship"

Posted by: CN at November 14, 2017 04:25 PM (5gaNQ)

258 Millions of people have cheated on their taxes, got caught and got a slap on the wrist. Fines and penalties. Meh. Unless you're talking Wesley Snipes type of tax fraud, nobody goes to jail for it. All that shit on the IRS forms is just there to scare people.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:25 PM (MuT58)

259
"All you have to do is say "yes I had insurance all years" on the tax form and that's it. There is no proof required."

Under penalty of perjury?

Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:11

Last year on my 1040 line 61 asks Health care: Individual responsibility which correlates with box 12 on the W-2. I hope the forms are different this year.

Posted by: Infidel at November 14, 2017 04:25 PM (4ZKcy)

260 I remember when he left the senate, someone ask Harry Reid if regretted slandering Mitt on his taxes. "He didn't win , did he?" Same reasoning on the timing of the hit on Moore. By the time people realize it is BS, the election will be over.

Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 04:26 PM (4u7kU)

261 "Sen. Paul plays hard despite the pain of broken ribs. Hope he's wearing a kevlar vest in case another Dim decides to tackle him.

Posted by: endisnigh at November 14, 2017 03:44 PM (bQTiX)"

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Kevlar and an exoskeleton.

Posted by: Decaf at November 14, 2017 04:26 PM (te/Nx)

262 216 211 Every tax form I ever signed says right there that you attest to its accuracy under penalty of perjury.

And yes, it does get enforced. Usually selectively.
Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:18 PM (w7KSn)

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Nobody will go to jail for lying about having insurance. Worst case scenario you pay a fine and penalties.
Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:19 PM (MuT5

Yeah, about no jail time...

Posted by: Dinesh Desouza at November 14, 2017 04:26 PM (4dz1m)

263 The shame of this day and age that newspapers, people and media in general can make accusations true of not without penalty

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 04:26 PM (aC6Sd)

264 Speaking of La Raza and illegal aliens...

I went to a citizenship swearing in ceremony yesterday. My sister's fiance became a citizen. It was very disheartening what I saw.

First off all the judge who administered the oath spent 10 minutes spewing SJW talking points. No mention of the greatness of America, the history of America, the freedoms. Nada. Just how awesome it is that people from all over the world are here since our greatest strength is our diversity.

Next up, they had a voter registration booth right there. And the judge said that it is the duty of new citizens to participate in the democratic process. Not it was their choice or their right mind you but their "duty". You're a brand new citizen and a judge says something is your duty, chances are you will follow instructions and make sure to vote for every "D".

Then the judge also emphasized that now that you are citizens you have a right to petition for all your relatives back home. And if you see the nice man at that booth over there, he will show you how to do it.

There were maybe 50 people getting sworn in. Of those 50, 5 or 6 were Europeans. Maybe 1/3 spoke English, the rest had a translator. Which is odd since one of the requirements of being a citizen is passing a fucking English literacy test. If more than 15 of them earned more than $8/hr I'd be shocked. They might as well have included a SNAP and WIC application form with the citizenship certificate.

So on that fine autumn morning at least 45 permanent Democrat voters were sworn in. And this shit happens 5 days a week, every week in every courthouse building in America.

Whenever you wonder why the fuck is my country in the shit it is? This is a reason. It's not the only reason of course, plenty of home grown idiocy as well. But this shit certainly is helping accelerate the demise.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:26 PM (MuT58)

265 It's quite simple to negate the intent element: just say that you misunderstood the question. (We tell "undocumented Americans" to claim that they don't read English well, as it is not their first language. But you can come up with any excuse that works for you. ) [/b

"I identified as an illegal immigrant that day".

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2017 04:27 PM (TtorR)

266 I was reading a memory book made about a gentleman who died on our services. Apparently in the late 60s, early 70s he was thrown in prison for 12 years for writing a bad check (the man was black).

There was a story from the Plain Dealer in the book that was originally printed on the front page of the newspaper at that time (1972). It was about the injustices this guy faced in dealing with the system. Among the injustices listed and printed on the front page of the newspaper was:

"He was forced into unwanted association with homosexuals while in prison."

Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 14, 2017 04:27 PM (vg8iE)

267 Don't make me go dig into my forms for several recent years, wherein there was a form where you could declare there was no affordable insurance available. Boom - exempt from "mandate".

The mandate whose enforcement never took place, was in any case only able to take its skin from any refund due, and which was expressly stopped by the first EO Trump signed?

And anyone pretending to believe that Roberts had any 1,765-dimensional chess in mind when he committed that atrocity is being sarcastic. Or clueless.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 14, 2017 04:27 PM (QDnY+)

268 I'm more and more convinced they WANT to lose in 2018, and even 2020. As WOPR said - their gravy train is assured no matter what. Losing, in their own myopic way, is to teach us plebes to rise up like we did and elect Trump instead of their chosen cuckhold.
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there's only the uniparty.

the dem vs republica thing is a puppet show. They never accomplish anything and blame the other side because that's how they can justify asking for more money. You the voter are the object of the con in which there appears to be a contest between opponents and you are betting on one side or the other. Meanwhile more and more of your money disappears down the rat hole.

Posted by: simplemind at November 14, 2017 04:27 PM (43X1q)

269 In other news Venezuela has defaulted and you'll never guess who is to blame.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:07 PM (3myMJ)

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Stupid question. Don't they have the largest oil reserves in the world? Isn't that fairly liquid (no pun intended)? Since the state owns them, can't they sell that off however cheaply and pay off their bond holders? I thought they already were selling a lot to China.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 14, 2017 04:27 PM (/qEW2)

270 >>After barney Frank, Teddy kennedy and Robert Sheets Byrd, yes. Yes I am.

They were already in office and yeah, it's a club. Once you are in the rules are more flexible, particularly for Democrats, Republicans not so much as ex-Senator Packwood and ex-Senator Wide Stance can attest.

But we are now in a period where the long knives are out for anyone with a hint of a sexually questionable past. People are dropping like flies all over place and I think it was just today that there was a sexual harassment hearing in Congress with Congresswomen testifying about sexual harassment going on in Congress.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:27 PM (/tuJf)

271 "We're optimistic that inserting the individual mandate repeal would be helpful and that's obviously the view of the Senate Finance Committee Republicans as well," McConnell told reporters.

*leans toward aide with hand up to his mouth-- It's not like the fuckin thing is going to pass, anyway

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 14, 2017 04:27 PM (BoMuO)

272 A quick google search of recent tax fraud cases successfully prosecuted by the IRS turns up hundreds of cases.
This is one thing they are good at.

Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:28 PM (w7KSn)

273 Willie Nelson owed the IRS $35 million. Did a few concerts and talked them down to $6 million.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:28 PM (3myMJ)

274 241 It's a shame and it's not right, but the dirty tricks have burned Moore. If he gets elected, he may not get certified, or seated and even if he somehow gets to sit in Congress, he becomes a rallying cry against the GOP.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (7uYFy)

certified - All that means is he got the votes as stated.
seated - Yeah, let's set the precedent that the Senate which has had KKK members, a murdered, several mentally deficient members, etc. can simply prevent the seating of a duly elected member. That's not happening.
ralling cry - it will last about a week and then another round of Hollywood/Lefty pervs get outed.

Your concern is noted.

Posted by: WOPR (now with chainsaw bayonets) at November 14, 2017 04:28 PM (J70i0)

275 Did someone say "mandate"?

Posted by: shep at November 14, 2017 04:28 PM (mJ8mX)

276 239
Are you seriously surprised that politicians would condemn a guy who is
being hit with multiple claims of chasing teenage girls and having at
least questionable relationships with one and now two in this
environment? I'm not.

After barney Frank, Teddy kennedy and Robert Sheets Byrd, yes. Yes I am.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (326rv)

Don't forget me!!!

Posted by: Chris Dodd at November 14, 2017 04:28 PM (ymnmz)

277 "260 I remember when he left the senate, someone ask Harry Reid if regretted slandering Mitt on his taxes. "He didn't win , did he?" Same reasoning on the timing of the hit on Moore. By the time people realize it is BS, the election will be over."

Harry Reid knew he was lying about Romney and didn't care. That makes Reid a vile monster. The Moore stuff? Eh. He's sure not helping himself.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 14, 2017 04:29 PM (OD2ni)

278 So on that fine autumn morning at least 45 permanent Democrat voters were sworn in. And this shit happens 5 days a week, every week in every courthouse building in America.

Whenever you wonder why the fuck is my country in the shit it is? This is a reason. It's not the only reason of course, plenty of home grown idiocy as well. But this shit certainly is helping accelerate the demise.
Posted by: #neverskankles

The immigration law was written by ted, the swimmer, kennedy to do exactly that.

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2017 04:29 PM (+wPJl)

279 Wait? Do you smell gas... from a severed line???
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Posted by: Lord Sonobi in his fortress of ingratitude at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM

Some of us work in more subtle ways ...

Posted by: Lord Chipotle at November 14, 2017 04:29 PM (ctuyM)

280 275 Did someone say "mandate"?
Posted by: shep at November 14, 2017 04:28 PM (mJ8mX)

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Took me 5 seconds to get it then I literally LOLed.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:29 PM (MuT58)

281 I don't believe he has cancer, that announcement was just a ploy to gain him some sympathy.
Posted by: Decaf at November 14, 2017 04:25 PM (te/Nx)

If he really does have the cancer, it demonstrates how cushy being in the senate is with his desire to spend the time he has left there.

Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 04:29 PM (4u7kU)

282 Stupid question. Don't they have the largest oil reserves in the world? Isn't that fairly liquid (no pun intended)? Since the state owns them, can't they sell that off however cheaply and pay off their bond holders? I thought they already were selling a lot to China.

That's what is compounding VZs problem. The only way they have of earning money is to sell oil. Now the bondholders are going to confiscate the oil to sell and recoup their losses.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 14, 2017 04:29 PM (BoMuO)

283 143 In other news Venezuela has defaulted and you'll never guess who is to blame.
Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:07 PM (3myMJ)

Jews! jewsjewsjewsjewsjewsjewsjews Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooozzzzzzzzzzz!!!!

I mean Zionists.

Posted by: Zombie Hugo Chavez at November 14, 2017 04:30 PM (CPk08)

284 Whew! Auto close tags FTW!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2017 04:30 PM (TtorR)

285 So on that fine autumn morning at least 45 permanent Democrat voters were sworn in. And this shit happens 5 days a week, every week in every courthouse building in America.

Whenever you wonder why the fuck is my country in the shit it is? This is a reason. It's not the only reason of course, plenty of home grown idiocy as well. But this shit certainly is helping accelerate the demise.
Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:26 PM (MuT5

And 40 out of those 45 won't even bother to vote.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 14, 2017 04:30 PM (7uYFy)

286 Maduro should just pull and Obama and tell the bondholders to eat it.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 14, 2017 04:30 PM (BoMuO)

287 Don't they have the largest oil reserves in the world
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear2017 04:27 PM (/qEW2)

Oil on tankers and out of the country may be seized. But if oil reserves could get them out of trouble they never would have been in trouble.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:31 PM (3myMJ)

288 Just put some Visine in his Smoothie. Too easy.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 14, 2017 04:21 PM (4Q9yr)

You realize that's bogus, of course? Of course you do. Because of course you would nag anyone on here about the bogusness of such a thing.

Because it's annoying and that's what you seem to take pride in doing.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 14, 2017 04:31 PM (ajiE5)

289 And 40 out of those 45 won't even bother to vote.

Thats ok, someone will fill out a ballot for them.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 14, 2017 04:31 PM (BoMuO)

290 He's sure not helping himself.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 14, 2017 04:29 PM (OD2ni)

What would you have him do ??

Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 04:31 PM (4u7kU)

291 283 143 In other news Venezuela has defaulted and you'll never guess who is to blame.
Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:07 PM (3myMJ)

Jews! jewsjewsjewsjewsjewsjewsjews Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooozzzzzzzzzzz!!!!

I mean Zionists.
Posted by: Zombie Hugo Chavez at November 14, 2017 04:30 PM (CPk0

Amazing how we can both create socialism and be responsible for it failing at the same time.

"Shape-shifting" (TM)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2017 04:32 PM (mbhDw)

292 there's only the uniparty.

the dem vs republica thing is a puppet show. They never
accomplish anything and blame the other side because that's how they can
justify asking for more money. You the voter are the object of the con
in which there appears to be a contest between opponents and you are
betting on one side or the other. Meanwhile more and more of your money
disappears down the rat hole.
Posted by: simplemind at November 14, 2017 04:27 PM

You are far too you to be so cynical.

BTW, could you chip in $3 to help out?

Posted by: The Swamp. It's a Gas! at November 14, 2017 04:32 PM (ctuyM)

293 But if you look at the facts, the challengers didn't want the law designated as a tax for good reason. One is what You are seeing right now.

Yes, they didn't like it being called a tax. But that's not what drove Roberts. He had two choices, indeed, two prepared arguments written up to decide between:

1) This is unconstitutional and must be struck from the law, effectively killing ACA
2) This is a law, so you can keep doing it.

And your argument is that... he chose #2... on the theory that in the future at some point, congress might decide to do what he could have done with a single decision and hence kill the ACA?

What on earth kind of argument is that?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 04:32 PM (39g3+)

294 Venezuela-How to take a promising economy and use socialism to totally destroy the country.

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 04:32 PM (aC6Sd)

295
Are you seriously surprised that politicians would condemn a guy who is being hit with multiple claims of chasing teenage girls and having at least questionable relationships with one and now two in this environment? I'm not. Hell, even Trump has come out and said if the charges are true he should step aside. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:21 PM (/tuJf) ____

If it's good enough for tribunals of academecs at university campuses it's good enough for us

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 14, 2017 04:32 PM (lKyWE)

296 289 And 40 out of those 45 won't even bother to vote.

Thats ok, someone will fill out a ballot for them.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 14, 2017 04:31 PM (BoMuO)

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2/3 of them couldn't speak English. They probably don't even know what voting is, but the good people from the local DNC office will make sure they have an absentee form (or 5) filled in for them.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:33 PM (MuT58)

297 All mof us down in Brattleboro loves the Affartaber Hellthcare Act !!!! We will not repeal this even if the government passes repeal because we wants to preserve Presdet Obamo's leggeracy !!. We still loves our Presdent of Coller and we will always loves him !!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro at November 14, 2017 04:33 PM (u54O2)

298 Trump's recent additional sanctions are being blamed for Venezuela's default you sillys.

Everything was fine until he did that.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:33 PM (3myMJ)

299 I've noticed several of my friends complaining about shopping for health insurance and how terribly expensive it is. They are noting how much their premiums have increased. Seems like the iron is hot and Rand Paul isn't afraid to strike. Good.

Posted by: no good deed at November 14, 2017 04:33 PM (eIQHF)

300 And 40 out of those 45 won't even bother to vote.

Thats ok, someone will fill out a ballot for them.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 14, 2017 04:31 PM (BoMuO)

I'm not making light of it and it's depressing, but I'm around all kinds of Latinos--and they just don't vote. The city I live in is majority Latino and they don't even dominate the city council. Blacks--in their ever shrinking districts--hold the majority of the seats.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 14, 2017 04:34 PM (7uYFy)

301 Amazing how we can both create socialism and be responsible for it failing at the same time.

"Shape-shifting" (TM)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2017 04:32 PM (mbhDw)

The international conspiracy of communist bankers strikes again!

Posted by: Ayatollah Kahmenei at November 14, 2017 04:34 PM (CPk08)

302 Wait? Do you smell gas... from a severed line???

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Posted by: Lord Sonobi in his fortress of ingratitude at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (mJ8mX)

That's Empress, peon.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at November 14, 2017 04:34 PM (mf5HN)

303 HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Max Power at November 14, 2017 04:35 PM (q177U)

304 299 I've noticed several of my friends complaining about shopping for health insurance and how terribly expensive it is. They are noting how much their premiums have increased. Seems like the iron is hot and Rand Paul isn't afraid to strike. Good.
Posted by: no good deed at November 14, 2017 04:33 PM (eIQHF)

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Curious: are your friends generally conservative? My guess is yes. This is one of the apsects of the law that was genius on the Dems' part. It hurts only their political enemies.

Think about it. Who buys insurance? Self employed and small business owners. Who are self employed and small biz owners? Hard working Americans, ie not Democrats.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:35 PM (MuT58)

305 I'm not making light of it and it's depressing, but I'm around all kinds of Latinos--and they just don't vote. The city I live in is majority Latino and they don't even dominate the city council. Blacks--in their ever shrinking districts--hold the majority of the seats.
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Not where I live. I feel like I'm in San Juan when I go to my voting place. I rarely hear English being spoken in there.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 14, 2017 04:35 PM (vg8iE)

306 >>>>Don't they have the largest oil reserves in the world

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear2017 04:27 PM (/qEW2)

Oil on tankers and out of the country may be seized. But if oil
reserves could get them out of trouble they never would have been in
trouble.
.
.
.The problem is that Venezuela has made it practically impossible to get those reserves out of the ground and to the market. Just ask all of those oil companies that had their rigs seized by the Government there.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 04:35 PM (+Dllb)

307 299: Rand would have made a better pres than Ted. Has Rand denounced Moore yet, or is he not allowing presumption of innocence to die at the hands of pussyheads

Posted by: CN at November 14, 2017 04:35 PM (5gaNQ)

308 >>>You realize that's bogus, of course? Of course you do. Because of course you would nag anyone on here about the bogusness of such a thing.
Because it's annoying and that's what you seem to take pride in doing.

OKAY
He should put someones dentures in Bannons Smoothie.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus (No Smoothies) at November 14, 2017 04:35 PM (4Q9yr)

309 A quick google search of recent tax fraud cases successfully prosecuted by the IRS turns up hundreds of cases.
This is one thing they are good at.

Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:28 PM (w7KSn)

Hundreds of cases involving hundreds of thousands of dollars? Yeah, they can do that. Millions of taxpayers giving them the middle finger over a couple hundred dollars because they don't want to pay the mandate tax?

No, they can't do that. But they do publicize the hell out of the hundred cases they win. If you hold a flashlight at just the *right* angle in the dark your shadow can look ten times larger.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 14, 2017 04:35 PM (ajiE5)

310 "290 He's sure not helping himself.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 14, 2017 04:29 PM (OD2ni)

What would you have him do ??
Posted by: sofa saver a"

Well he could try saying: "These are all lies. I don't know any of these woman and never had a relationship with any of them, friendship or otherwise. It is a lie that I pursued relationships with numerous teenage girls when I was in my 30's."

However, I get the feeling he cannot say that truthfully.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 14, 2017 04:36 PM (OD2ni)

311 I agree with this. McConnell is an annoying insider but IMO he is not the monster he is often portrayed in conservative circles (from Mark "buy my books and CRTV" Levin). He stood up to a lot of abuse from Obama/Dems/Media over the Garland pick and it paid off for conservatives. He can't really help it if Collins/Murkowski/McCain are determined to F us at every opportunity.

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Show some balls, strip them of every useful privilege, perq., and committee assignment. Assign them to shitty committee assignments with nothing to do with their desires, or their constituents interests.

Play hardball.

Posted by: rd at November 14, 2017 04:36 PM (4dz1m)

312 So, since the middle and upper middle working class family (3+ members) get screwed the most under this plan and businesses seem to make out the most...why not toss something in guaranteed to help the working class (especially those with families who get the most screwed by losing exemptions and all the itemized deductions)? Obamacare repeal is nice, but why not just flip the SS wage tax split to 2% less from the individual and 2% more from the company? Guaranteed to have the lowered taxes actually pass through to the working class...and those who are "rich" get less benefit, since SS taxes phase out at a certain level...

Posted by: kk at November 14, 2017 04:36 PM (5WKRz)

313 >>>Check...and mate!
Sweet schadenfreude.

SO SWEET LIKE DELICIOUS CHOCOLATE CAKE

Posted by: Max Power at November 14, 2017 04:37 PM (q177U)

314 2/3 of them couldn't speak English. They probably don't even know what voting is, but the good people from the local DNC office will make sure they have an absentee form (or 5) filled in for them.
Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:33 PM (MuT5

Even with that, it won't make much difference. The Democrats in urban areas still need and rely on getting out the black vote. They are their meal ticket and why the most ridiculous racial comments ( "They are gonna put you back in chainzzzzz!) are still deployed every election season.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 14, 2017 04:37 PM (7uYFy)

315 I'm not making light of it and it's depressing, but I'm around all kinds of Latinos--and they just don't vote. The city I live in is majority Latino and they don't even dominate the city council. Blacks--in their ever shrinking districts--hold the majority of the seats.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 14, 2017 04:34 PM (7uYFy)

How do you suppose Mexico remains such a shithole? No reason to think they would change their behavior once in this country.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 14, 2017 04:37 PM (7UW64)

316 "The problem is that Venezuela has made it practically impossible to get those reserves out of the ground and to the market."

Yep, Venezuela gonna lose so big they will get tired of losing. Actually they already are tired of losing, but they are just getting started.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:37 PM (3myMJ)

317 .The problem is that Venezuela has made it practically impossible to get those reserves out of the ground and to the market. Just ask all of those oil companies that had their rigs seized by the Government there.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 14, 2017 04:35 PM (+Dllb)

Isn't there something about the Venezuelan oil that makes it different? I can't remember if it's easier or more difficult (like I'm saying harder around you scamps) to refine.

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at November 14, 2017 04:37 PM (mf5HN)

318 Don't they have the largest oil reserves in the world
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear2017 04:27 PM (/qEW2)

Oil on tankers and out of the country may be seized. But if oil reserves could get them out of trouble they never would have been in trouble.
Posted by: Meremortal

If they'd have kept their grubby paws off of it, they could have avoided trouble. But they had to go and steal/nationalize all the infrastructure.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2017 04:37 PM (TtorR)

319 Well he could try saying: "These are all lies. I don't know any of these woman and never had a relationship with any of them, friendship or otherwise. It is a lie that I pursued relationships with numerous teenage girls when I was in my 30's."

However, I get the feeling he cannot say that truthfully.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 14, 2017 04:36 PM (OD2ni)

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Huh? He's said umpteen times just that....these women are lying. So now he must be lying because he says the accusers are lying? Jeeezuz

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:37 PM (MuT58)

320 Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:21 PM (/tuJf) ____

Well of course if he's guilty he should step down. BUT he's supposed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Yes, one should take these charges seriously, but it should never be axiomatic that with sexual assault, abuse etc the man is guilty automatically. Especially if Conservative.

I am so sick and angered by this garbage.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2017 04:38 PM (mbhDw)

321 Isn't there something about the Venezuelan oil that makes it different? I can't remember if it's easier or more difficult (like I'm saying harder around you scamps) to refine.
Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at November 14, 2017 04:37 PM (mf5HN)

It's in tar sands, so it's less flaccid.

Posted by: Ayatollah Kahmenei at November 14, 2017 04:38 PM (CPk08)

322 319: Some people only watch Tapper

Posted by: CN at November 14, 2017 04:38 PM (5gaNQ)

323 I am certainly not defending the tactics of the IRS.
I merely acknowledge that they exist, that they are used, and, as we have already seen, often used selectively on persons like ourselves.

So playing fast and loose with your tax forms, not a great idea.

Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:38 PM (w7KSn)

324 off, fascist sock

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 04:38 PM (CPk08)

325 Seems like the iron is hot and Rand Paul isn't afraid to strike. Good.
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Plus, getting blindsided by a socialist soured his mood.

Posted by: simplemind at November 14, 2017 04:38 PM (adxy5)

326 317. Sour crude - the shake&bake meth of the petroleum world.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at November 14, 2017 04:38 PM (fA1SL)

327 315 I'm not making light of it and it's depressing, but I'm around all kinds of Latinos--and they just don't vote. The city I live in is majority Latino and they don't even dominate the city council. Blacks--in their ever shrinking districts--hold the majority of the seats.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 14, 2017 04:34 PM (7uYFy)

How do you suppose Mexico remains such a shithole? No reason to think they would change their behavior once in this country.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 14, 2017 04:37 PM (7UW64)

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Not all 45 of the 45 have to vote. Let's say only 10 of them do. 10 a day, every day in every congressional district in the America.....map that out over the next 20 years and see what happens.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:39 PM (MuT58)

328 "308 >>>You realize that's bogus, of course? Of course you do. Because of course you would nag anyone on here about the bogusness of such a thing.
Because it's annoying and that's what you seem to take pride in doing.

OKAY
He should put someones dentures in Bannons Smoothie.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamu"

My older brother swore by the Visine in the drink thing. He claimed to do it to a guy who was a notoriously bad tipper at the restaurant we worked at. Maybe he was pulling my leg.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 14, 2017 04:39 PM (OD2ni)

329 Isn't there something about the Venezuelan oil that makes it different? I can't remember if it's easier or more difficult (like I'm saying harder around you scamps) to refine.
Posted by: alexthechick

IIRC, higher sulfur content.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2017 04:39 PM (TtorR)

330 Moore should say: "I did not have sex with those women, or Ms. Lewinski."

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:40 PM (3myMJ)

331 So on that fine autumn morning at least 45 permanent Democrat voters were sworn in. And this shit happens 5 days a week, every week in every courthouse building in America.

Whenever you wonder why the fuck is my country in the shit it is? This is a reason. It's not the only reason of course, plenty of home grown idiocy as well. But this shit certainly is helping accelerate the demise.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:26 PM (MuT5

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#neverskankles, I realize what you mean by "homegrown idiocy", ie. homegrown liberal idiots, like any random liberal born here.

But what you witnessed at that even was on a meta-level also homegrown idiocy.

What you witnessed would not have been possible had not idiots here allowed it to happen, along with traitors like Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, GHWB, etc. who all conspired to make it so.

In the end, it was all avoidable, and it was all do to "homegrown" citizens.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 14, 2017 04:40 PM (/qEW2)

332 Every place on the planet votes, they know what it is and how to turn votes into handouts, it's done around the world

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 04:40 PM (aC6Sd)

333 320: If he was guilty, these women would have outed him before he became a judge, and most would have told mama when it happened. These people are getting paid off, victims for hire.

Posted by: CN at November 14, 2017 04:40 PM (5gaNQ)

334 Show some balls, strip them of every useful privilege, perq., and committee assignment. Assign them to shitty committee assignments with nothing to do with their desires, or their constituents interests.

This is the problem. If the finest thing you can say about a leader is that they're not bad, just weak... then they're useless. At least Boehner knew how to do his job and keep the members in line.

There are tools he has that he can use to strongarm the idiots and the weak, and he chooses not to use them. Whether out of fear, confusion, ignorance, agreement, or simply some stupid sense of collegiality, the man is failing in his most basic task.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 04:40 PM (39g3+)

335 (McCain practicing thumbs down look in the mirror)...

(Turdle practicing his shocked shocked SHOCKED face upon seeing McCain's thumb down).

We've been here before.

Posted by: Eli Cash at November 14, 2017 04:40 PM (a+WIL)

336 Nood.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 14, 2017 04:40 PM (ctuyM)

337 What state is the city of Venezula in ? Florida or Californica? We can't seem to find it on the map.....

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro at November 14, 2017 04:41 PM (u54O2)

338 "Isn't there something about the Venezuelan oil that makes it different?"

It's difficult and there are a limited number of refineries that can handle it, mostly American IIRC.

Posted by: Meremortal, no prosecutions, no peace! at November 14, 2017 04:41 PM (3myMJ)

339 I am glad some of you did not get to decide if Clarence Thomas should have withdrawn his nomination.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 14, 2017 04:41 PM (Z4z/q)

340 323 I am certainly not defending the tactics of the IRS.
I merely acknowledge that they exist, that they are used, and, as we have already seen, often used selectively on persons like ourselves.

So playing fast and loose with your tax forms, not a great idea.
Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:38 PM (w7KSn)

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It's like speeding. Technically if you go 56 in a 55 you can get a ticket. But 99.9% of people who go under 60 don't get pulled over.

Same with the IRS. Yea technically you can get 10 years for not reporting $1000 of income. But 99.999% of people who under report $1000 won't do jail time. If they are caught (and that's a big if), they will pay a small fine and interest.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:42 PM (MuT58)

341 My older brother swore by the Visine in the drink thing. He claimed to do it to a guy who was a notoriously bad tipper at the restaurant we worked at. Maybe he was pulling my leg.
Posted by: Benji Carver

Soap.

Quickest way to give a troop of scouts the trots? Don't get all of the soap off of the pots and pans after eating when on a campout. How you can tell it's not food poisoning? No one is sick. They are just shitting themselves.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2017 04:42 PM (TtorR)

342 339 I am glad some of you did not get to decide if Clarence Thomas should have withdrawn his nomination.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 14, 2017 04:41 PM (Z4z/q)

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Or Trump post-PussyGate.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:42 PM (MuT58)

343 Not all 45 of the 45 have to vote. Let's say only 10 of them do. 10 a day, every day in every congressional district in the America.....map that out over the next 20 years and see what happens.
Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:39 PM (MuT5

Yes. But the scenario you lay out has been happening already for decades--and is happening now. Democrats will continue to hold those districts. But they aren't making inroads into Republican ones--and in places--like the increasingly blue Virginia---the difference is being made by the "importation" of upscale WHITE voters.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 14, 2017 04:42 PM (7uYFy)

344 Venezuela-How to take a promising economy and use socialism to totally destroy the country.

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2017 04:32 PM (aC6Sd)
..............

I'd like to offer assistance to a few young chicas who might temporarily need a few hots and a cot. Photos required.
Because I'm a giver.

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2017 04:43 PM (HgMAr)

345 "Huh? He's said umpteen times just that....these women are lying. So now he must be lying because he says the accusers are lying? Jeeezuz
Posted by: #neverskankles"

He's a little less definite than that IMO. "I may have been friends with her." Huh?

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 14, 2017 04:43 PM (OD2ni)

346 240
Perjury is perjury and is a felony and if someone or something wants to give you heartburn with it, they will do it.

Likewise with fraud. If the IRS suspects fraud they can go back in time as far as they want.

The same IRS that hates conservatives.

Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:22 PM (w7KSn)

Perjury IS perjury and IS a felony?
Depends on what your meaning of IS is.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 14, 2017 04:43 PM (jxbfJ)

347 If I were Moore I'd have listened to all they said about this then said "Oh yeah back when I was young, I was dumb and dated a lot of high school girls. I made sure they were all legal age, but it was a stupid phase. I got past that and met my lovely wife x, and have never looked back."

Then you reject all the asinine "he touched my boobie" or "he tried to force me to do oral then threw me out of the car with a warning" nonsense. You've already defused the "too young" thing, I mean who hasn't done stupid stuff in their past? He's 40 years older now and hasn't strayed once with his present wife. Clearly that's long ago dead history.

The other accusations kind of lose their punch at that point.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 14, 2017 04:43 PM (39g3+)

348 >>Well of course if he's guilty he should step down. BUT he's supposed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty.

>>Yes, one should take these charges seriously, but it should never be axiomatic that with sexual assault, abuse etc the man is guilty automatically. Especially if Conservative.

Yea, that's how it's supposed to work but we all know that is not how it works in the real world during elections. Why do you think the Dems were trying so hard to tie the Russia garbage to Trump before the election? It wasn't true and the investigation is proving it but the charges do damage.

Trump was able to overcome them because they weren't true and he fought back hard. Remains to be seen if Moore can convince enough Alabama voters that these charges aren't true.

How are they ever going to prove or disprove these charges? It's a she said/he said.

Personally, I think the timing of the charges makes them suspect but I don't have a vote here.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:43 PM (/tuJf)

349 337 What state is the city of Venezula in ? Florida or Californica? We can't seem to find it on the map.....
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro at November 14, 2017 04:41 PM (u54O2)

Illinois.

"Venezuela" is from the Shawnee, which when accurately transliterated is spelled "Chicago".

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 04:44 PM (CPk08)

350 Isn't there something about the Venezuelan oil that makes it different?

Venezuelan crude is heavy sour crude. It has a higher sulfur content and is generally cheap. US refineries are particularly adept at refining it.

Posted by: no good deed at November 14, 2017 04:44 PM (eIQHF)

351 I am so sick and angered by this garbage.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2017 04:38 PM (mbhDw)

welcome to my foxhole

Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 04:44 PM (4u7kU)

352 What you witnessed would not have been possible had not idiots here allowed it to happen, along with traitors like Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, GHWB, etc. who all conspired to make it so.

In the end, it was all avoidable, and it was all do to "homegrown" citizens.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 14, 2017 04:40 PM (/qEW2)

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True, good point. This didn't just happen one day. It was a co-ordinated effort over decades to make it happen by "homegrown" traitors.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:44 PM (MuT58)

353 So playing fast and loose with your tax forms, not a great idea.

Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:38 PM (w7KSn)

Which is why I'm 'supposing' that so many people are basically feeding the tax return to the dog on April 15th. All the changes I've seen proposed seem to be designed to make it simpler for the largest block of taxpayers to file returns. Let the 'others' spend hours on paperwork.

I suspect there's a huge problem. Being talked about behind 'closed doors'. If the dems are on board to shed the OCare mandate, it's a 'revenue enhancer' to do away with the mandate, even they realize the seriousness of the situation.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 14, 2017 04:44 PM (ajiE5)

354 Bannon eluded to the fact he has some old dirt on McCornhole. Please release it now.

Posted by: Poison Pill at November 14, 2017 04:47 PM (r9UYA)

355 How are they ever going to prove or disprove these charges? It's a she said/he said.

Personally, I think the timing of the charges makes them suspect but I don't have a vote here.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2017 04:43 PM (/tuJf)

Got a feeling there's some more twists and turns to come and not all bad for Moore

Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 04:47 PM (4u7kU)

356 That's what is compounding VZs problem. The only way they have of earning money is to sell oil. Now the bondholders are going to confiscate the oil to sell and recoup their losses.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Worse, the situation is so bad they couldn't even afford to move the product to market...it was literally cheaper for someone to buy it elsewhere! Plus quality went to shit...

Even the Arabs are at least smart enough to make enough concessions to keep the stuff they depend on flowing...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 14, 2017 04:47 PM (AM1GF)

357 Don't they have the largest oil reserves in the world
Their oil can only be refined in the U.S. because it's full of IIRC sulphur.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 14, 2017 04:48 PM (mJ8mX)

358 TAKE THAT SONOBI!

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at November 14, 2017 03:39 PM (mf5HN)

I learned the hard way about challenging Lord Sonobi.

When one typhoon blows another is silent.

Posted by: Chiun at November 14, 2017 04:48 PM (FhXTo)

359 Yes. But the scenario you lay out has been happening already for decades--and is happening now. Democrats will continue to hold those districts. But they aren't making inroads into Republican ones--and in places--like the increasingly blue Virginia---the difference is being made by the "importation" of upscale WHITE voters.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 14, 2017 04:42 PM (7uYFy)

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It's not an either/or scenario. They are winning VA thanks to immigration AND white voters who work for the govt.

The few Republicans in congress left in SoCal will be gone in the next decade as this continues. You're right it doesn't happen overnight. But every 2 years more and more once solid red CDs become less red as more and more new citizens get the right to vote. And eventually they turn blue and then solid blue.

And it's incredible how smart Republicans are in on it. It's almost as if they don't want to win elections or something. But that's crazy talk. I know.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 14, 2017 04:49 PM (MuT58)

360 I once had the IRS send me a "corrected" return that replaced my own.
Some pinhead in Ogden UT added 3 zeros to a 1099 form.
They wanted about $75k in back taxes and penalties.

THAT ONE THING took me 3 years to clear up.

Posted by: navybrat at November 14, 2017 04:49 PM (w7KSn)

361 TAKE THAT SONOBI!

Posted by: alexthechick - a manatee life for me at November 14, 2017 03:39 PM

Late to the party, but do not taunt Happy Fun Sonobi.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 14, 2017 04:50 PM (p+Wdc)

362 354 Bannon eluded to the fact he has some old dirt on McCornhole. Please release it now.

Posted by: Poison Pill at November 14, 2017 04:47 PM (r9UYA)

Probably illegally imported his shell

Posted by: sofa saver at November 14, 2017 04:50 PM (4u7kU)

363 McConnell is Aunty Entity to McCain's Master-Blaster.
Who rules Bartertown?

Master-Blaster rules Bartertown and he'll make sure this goes nowhere. It will be the usual Saloncon approved standard republican failure theater.

Posted by: Mitchell at November 14, 2017 04:51 PM (BvNzB)

364 Treehouse had a post about Venezuala. They need hard cash. Russia and China were paying by reducing the debt they owed to them. Mnuchin and Trump put in sanctions and we were the only country giving them cash. We are putting a squeeze on them to pump up an opposition party in the country.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 14, 2017 04:52 PM (Lqy/e)

365 Attorney General Jeff Sessions acknowledged on Tuesday that he uses a pseudonym for his government email account.

Sessions made the admission in defense of his predecessor, Loretta Lynch, who used the name "Elizabeth Carlisle" to mask her identity on her government email account.

Staunch conservative that abides by the strictest sense of the law.

Posted by: Under Fire at November 14, 2017 04:54 PM (r9UYA)

366 They love being in charge.

They love playing at being in charge.

Posted by: DaveA at November 14, 2017 05:04 PM (FhXTo)

367 Re: the never ending caterwauling about Moore.

As a female, I will say this. I personally don't believe any of these women. None, nada, not a single one.

The latest one screams nutbar factor six.

The reason Mike Pence has done the intelligent thing and never meets anywhere with a woman alone is for the above reason. There are a large swath of women who are emotional nutbags. I have worked with large groups of women, have been involved in sports and organizations that are overwhelmingly female and feel quite justified in stating that I would rather work with a group of men any day than put up and deal with the conniving, back stabbing , lying , hysterical fantasies that are rampant among any general group of women.

Don't get me wrong, there are individual women out there who are rationale, thinking beings, who are still able to be feminine and nurturing , use intelligent judgement and yet restrain themselves from the moment to moment switch between being kind and being a venomous shrew.

There isn't a decent looking woman out there who at one time, hasn't had their ass grabbed, been propositioned. had dirty jokes told in front of them, had offers of dates, or sex from someone they either barely knew, or was in a "position of power" .

I don't consider any of this to be "sexual assault" . Grow up ladies. Defend yourself, speak up of something offends you, stay away from slimeball offenders, go to your superiors if your workplace is uncomfortable, leave if nothing is improved and don't do stupid things such as get drunk at bars, parties, go to men's hotel rooms by yourself, or in their car, etc.

The MeToo BS is simply attention getting, I want to be a victim" power ploy.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 14, 2017 05:05 PM (jErY5)

368 20 Death toll now up to five in NorCal shooting spree. Ugh.

I was under the impression that California had firearms laws that made such things unpossible.

Posted by: rosignol at November 14, 2017 05:07 PM (sjCQ+)

369 Isn't there something about the Venezuelan oil that makes it different?

Well the communists shooting the oil rig workers are on the government helicopters now.

Posted by: RedAdairSock at November 14, 2017 05:18 PM (FhXTo)

370 Well of course if he's guilty he should step down. BUT he's supposed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty.

After Cochran unless he's actually raping Mitch's turtle on screen right now I don't care.

Posted by: DaveA at November 14, 2017 05:20 PM (FhXTo)

371 367 Re: the never ending caterwauling about Moore.

As a female, I will say this. I personally don't believe any of these women. None, nada, not a single one.

The latest one screams nutbar factor six.

The reason Mike Pence has done the intelligent thing and never meets anywhere with a woman alone is for the above reason. There are a large swath of women who are emotional nutbags. I have worked with large groups of women, have been involved in sports and organizations that are overwhelmingly female and feel quite justified in stating that I would rather work with a group of men any day than put up and deal with the conniving, back stabbing , lying , hysterical fantasies that are rampant among any general group of women.

Don't get me wrong, there are individual women out there who are rationale, thinking beings, who are still able to be feminine and nurturing , use intelligent judgement and yet restrain themselves from the moment to moment switch between being kind and being a venomous shrew.

There isn't a decent looking woman out there who at one time, hasn't had their ass grabbed, been propositioned. had dirty jokes told in front of them, had offers of dates, or sex from someone they either barely knew, or was in a "position of power" .

I don't consider any of this to be "sexual assault" . Grow up ladies. Defend yourself, speak up of something offends you, stay away from slimeball offenders, go to your superiors if your workplace is uncomfortable, leave if nothing is improved and don't do stupid things such as get drunk at bars, parties, go to men's hotel rooms by yourself, or in their car, etc.

The MeToo BS is simply attention getting, I want to be a victim" power ploy.
Posted by: Jen the original at November 14, 2017 05:05 PM (jErY5)

racist.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 14, 2017 05:20 PM (CPk08)

372 If Thune and McConnell are for it, we are about to get screwed.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 14, 2017 05:34 PM (xUc0d)

373 Speaking of EOs, whatever happened to Trump's EO to allow cross-border insurance sales? He signed the EO and then nothing changed, and down the memory hole it went.

Oh and if I'm a little pissy today, it's because my cheapest option for insurance for 2018 is $1000/mo with a $12K deductible.

So fuck off McCain, I hope your cancer or whatever it is will be painful, so very very fucking painful.

Posted by: #neverskankles

Check out one of the religious health associations. They may have a better deal for you. You seems like a righteous chap.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 14, 2017 05:35 PM (0ecq3)

374 It is a trick. The Republican House and the Republican Senate will not be able to agree, enabled by the usual "RESIST-Republicans" who are devoted to making sure that the GOP does not accidentally keep any campaign promises.

They will come to us in 2018 and say, "We really, Really, REALLY tried, and if you just re-elect us we really, Really, REALLY promise that this time we will do it."

Just what "it" is has not been defined, but I expect that lubricant is not optional.

Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at November 14, 2017 07:13 PM (Zj9iv)

375 By John Thune did you mean Prince Thune from Flash Gordon?

Posted by: Clusterfark at November 14, 2017 07:26 PM (Ex0CI)

376 I am not a Thune fan. But that might be the political troll of the year.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at November 14, 2017 07:50 PM (Skvbl)

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