#Concerned: "Meeting of the Concerned" Ultra-Pure Conservatives Have Strangely Hardcore Progressive Instincts on So Many Issues

I’m sick & tired of “thoughts and prayers” for mass shooting victims. What we need: legislation & regulation. Start with assault-weapon ban.
— Max Boot (@MaxBoot) November 5, 2017

Gun advocates insist: only prayer can mitigate human evil. Policy is futile. Except in every other advanced democracy, where it works
— David Frum (@davidfrum) November 6, 2017

All of these response in my TL are a reminder of why I'm glad I'm just another coastal elitist and don't live in Gun Culture 'Murica https://t.co/IyBzsub8yc
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) November 6, 2017

"Radio Free" Tom Nichols, who decries a culture in which everyone thinks he's an expert and yet whose own expertise expands to encompass whatever he's ranting about on Twitter today, is especially fragrant today on the "irrational" belief that a law-abiding citizen carrying a gun can actually defend himself in a violent confrontation.

This puzzles me. The idea that only loser criminals -- generally people with poor executive function and hence a low tolerance for learning and practice -- are "good with guns," and meanwhile people who have their shit together (high executive function = greater capacity for practice and learning) just can't hit shit with a gun is strange.

Let's examine this. Idiots like Radio Free Tom make fun of "Murica's Gun Culture," but what are people in "Murica's Gun Culture" doing once a week (or even more)?

Why... they're shooting. Practicing. Getting comfortable with a gun. Turning shooting into muscle memory (and thus hyper-fast and automatic as far as brain function -- very practiced actions result in a neuron pathway that's sheathed by myelin, turning that action into a reflex that bypasses the very slow mental processes of deliberate conscious thought).

Most criminals -- I speak now of street-level criminals -- do not practice with guns very much. Even if they have a higher executive function and have the discipline to practice and learn, they can't do very much of it, because they're usually prohibited by law from even touching one so gun practice is a crime in itself they will generally limit.

Now, one advantage criminals do have, assuming they are habitual violent criminals, is that they're accustomed feeling the rush of adrenaline that comes from violent confrontations. Adrenaline boosts strength, but it demolishes fine-motor coordination. The "Fight or Flight" response supercharges gross physical movements like running or hitting. This system evolved when explosive muscle power, and not fine motor coordination and near-immobility, was the key to fighting your way out of danger.

People like our troops have to train an awful lot in simulated battle scenarios to get tolerant to this side-effect of adrenaline and dull the jitters.

So, edge to the criminals on not being as negatively affected by the rush of adrenaline than the law abiding citizen.

Citizens in "Murica's Gun Culture" will have some tolerance to the adverse side effects of adrenaline, just because they're practicing a lot and at least imagining a true adrenaline-rush situation, but still, I think, edge to the habitual violent criminal here.

But in the other area -- aim, discipline, comfort with the weapon -- the citizen has the edge.

What convinces these "Experts" with nigh-religious certitude that only "Bad People" are capable of effectively firing a gun in a stressful situation?

They seem to think that decency and morality are fundamentally incompatible with composure and accurate aim?

They must not think much of our military and police officers, eh?

#TrueConservatives -- the only conservatives with intellectual integrity enough to embrace every assumption and agenda item of the progressive movement, and the #Eliteness to give away their valuable #Expertise yammering away on Twitter like, you know, morons and lunatics.

Oh By The Way: You'd think that an #Expert who teaches at the Naval War College would know something rather elemental about shooting -- you don't have to hit your target to keep him from shooting effectively.

Just pumping bullets in his direction will cause him to scramble for cover, or flee, or start firing back ineffectually -- panic fire. He'll also be forced to shoot at you, rather than the crowd of unarmed civilians he's currently slaughtering. And you've probably had the good sense to get behind cover before shooting at him.

It's the idea of suppressive or covering fire. Not every shot needs to be a hit to be effective in combat.

But I guess #TheExpert doesn't know that. Unless it's a CNS or heart hit resulting in an instant incapacitation, it's pointless.

One More Thing: I saw a martial arts guy on YouTube demonstrating an unarmed defense against knives. The guy playing the "knife attacker" was using a red felt-tip pen as a "knife," so that each hit would be marked on the defender in red.

The martial arts guy had a lot of red on him post-demonstration. But most hits were to the arms and hips and such.

His conclusion was that even if you're trained, your odds of winning -- or at least not going to the hospital with a large number of wounds -- are low.

However, he pointed out something very important. What's the mindset of the knife blitz-attacker? The knife blitz-attacker is probably imagining he'll just cut people down as if wheat before a scythe.

What happens if a trained defender gets even one decent shot in at his face?

Suddenly that guy is not the situation he imagined -- just murdering unarmed, defenseless people -- but in a real fight in which the outcome is no longer certain, and he might just wind up getting killed himself.

That changes his behavior. Even making the knife attacker consider defense and only attacking in guarded, "safe" ways drastically reduces the number of attacks he can make.

This same logic obviously applies to mass shooters who are suddenly, and unexpectedly, getting shot at before their slaughter is complete. Pinning a guy down, limiting his field of fire, making him only pop his head out occasionally to fire, making him flee -- all of these things reduce or even end his rampage.

Let alone outright disabling or killing him. Which does in fact happen, contra the #Expert belief on the matter.

Posted by: Ace at 02:15 PM

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1 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 02:16 PM (XWb4y)

2 Meeting of the Concerned. Yeah, right. More like Meeting of the Cornholed.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 06, 2017 02:18 PM (FUu/Z)

3 2

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 06, 2017 02:18 PM (/qEW2)

4 Well, I guess we know what is on the agenda for the next super secret meeting of the concerned conservatives.

Posted by: IC at November 06, 2017 02:18 PM (a0IVu)

5 4

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 06, 2017 02:18 PM (/qEW2)

6 1
Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 02:16 PM (XWb4y)

Now that's style.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 06, 2017 02:18 PM (tbOMB)

7 7

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 06, 2017 02:18 PM (/qEW2)

8 Charlie Hebdo was unavailable for comment.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Dash for the Politcal Lifeboats in Sav-Ur-Self Gear by the Outrage Outlet! at November 06, 2017 02:19 PM (hLRSq)

9 with friends like these...

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:19 PM (Zmz55)

10 Well, let's see.

The shooter in TX was a spousal abuser (violation of law).

He openly carried a weapon into a house of worship (another violation of law)

Murdered 26 people (violation of law).

So libtards, explain it to me like I'm a 3-yr old. Just how is it that laws are going to prevent evil like this?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 06, 2017 02:19 PM (jxbfJ)

11 I would take Max Boot more seriously if he wasn't wearing that dorky hat. Nah, not really...

Posted by: tu3031 at November 06, 2017 02:19 PM (O5Q3r)

12 Guns should be like abortion.

Don't approve of it, don't get one.

Right, lefties?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at November 06, 2017 02:19 PM (hMwEB)

13 i admit to praying for the victims and thanking the Other citizen gun holder for chasing the perp

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:20 PM (Zmz55)

14 You know why all these knuckleheads and their progressive friends never get any of the "common sense" policies they want enacted? Because everyone else, including the majority of legislators, know that these dicks don't understand the problem and so can't possibly help develop a solution.

Posted by: steve walsh at November 06, 2017 02:20 PM (hloNl)

15 Fox News will continue have these traitorous scum on the air and continue to call them conservatives. *spits*

Posted by: Under Fire at November 06, 2017 02:20 PM (mcI77)

16 Criminals and thugs also don't have worry about bad aim, because they have no scruples about whom they kill.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2017 02:20 PM (oPNmq)

17 So is Frum saying every other advanced democracy has mitigated evil? Where exactly?

Posted by: rammajamma at November 06, 2017 02:20 PM (oAlzZ)

18 "Radio Free" means that the airwaves are free from his nonsense, right?

Posted by: josephistan at November 06, 2017 02:20 PM (7HtZB)

19 I don't think I'm going to let the getting-the-vapors-where-is-my-fainting-couch crowd lecture me. Again.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 06, 2017 02:21 PM (B+qrE)

20 Well gee. How many categories on the form 4473 do you have to have categorize you as a prohibited possessor of firearms before "concerned conservatives" concede that MORE laws would not have made a difference?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 06, 2017 02:21 PM (tbOMB)

21 Nothing says douchebag more succinctly than calling yourself a coastal elitist.

If you are often wrong, you aren't an elite anything.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2017 02:21 PM (/tuJf)

22 Of all the consequences of a Trump win, the total ripping of the mask off faux conservatives is the last thing I expected.

They're going full Thurston Howell here, its amazing to watch.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:21 PM (39g3+)

23 Trump has exposed 3 truths;

1) That Conservative Inc/The Establishment is really stupid.
2) That Conservative Inc/The Establishment are quiet fine with or agree with progressive policies and ideas.
3) That Conservative Inc/The Establishment really really really really hate the base that elected them.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 06, 2017 02:21 PM (datdl)

24 Screw those people. Their last adrenalin rush came from nearly rear-ending someone while they were texting. Come back and talk to us after you've done something inherently scary, intentionally, okay.

Posted by: goon at November 06, 2017 02:21 PM (EaQ6/)

25 13 i admit to praying for the victims and thanking the Other citizen gun holder for chasing the perp
Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:20 PM (Zmz55)

Funny how that "Only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" meme has come back and bit the gun grabbers right in the mish.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 06, 2017 02:22 PM (jxbfJ)

26 I'm glad Tom Nichols doesn't live here too so we have that going for our relationship.

Posted by: rammajamma at November 06, 2017 02:22 PM (oAlzZ)

27 If we ban bookkeeping we can stop accounting fraud.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Dash for the Politcal Lifeboats in Sav-Ur-Self Gear by the Outrage Outlet! at November 06, 2017 02:22 PM (hLRSq)

28 about that: the old yarn about gun control was always, "kids'll shoot themselves, ban guns for safety"

that doesn't hold water in the era of hatefilled liberals going postal once a week.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage (muh IP=BooBs) at November 06, 2017 02:22 PM (RDd1I)

29 Did Ms. Frum offer any examples of all those societies that are free from human evil through policy?

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 02:22 PM (hZ+us)

30 I loathe these people.

Posted by: steevy at November 06, 2017 02:22 PM (44aC/)

31 This sanctimonious hand wringing is very familiar somehow.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at November 06, 2017 02:23 PM (oyCqX)

32 21 Nothing says douchebag more succinctly than calling yourself a coastal elitist.

If you are often wrong, you aren't an elite anything.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2017 02:21 PM (/tuJf)

Well, they can be considered an elite reason on why they got Trump.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 06, 2017 02:23 PM (jxbfJ)

33 If you are often wrong, you aren't an elite anything.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2017 02:21 PM (/tuJf

King of the Nitwits!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Dash for the Politcal Lifeboats in Sav-Ur-Self Gear by the Outrage Outlet! at November 06, 2017 02:23 PM (hLRSq)

34 All of these response in my TL are a reminder of why I'm glad I'm just another coastal elitist and don't live in Gun Culture 'Murica https://t.co/IyBzsub8yc

========

I guess living in PC 'Murica and getting run over or blown up is preferable.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 06, 2017 02:23 PM (/qEW2)

35 I'm to the point I don't really even see the point in engaging with these people.

Take a page from the left and just mock them. When one gets mad and responds, slap them with facts and go back to mocking.

It's a terrible state of affairs, but attempting to engage in policy discussion only wastes energy.

Posted by: Idlepundit at November 06, 2017 02:23 PM (tdVTp)

36 >>"Gun advocates insist: only prayer can mitigate human evil. Policy is
futile. Except in every other advanced democracy, where it works."

Advanced democracies like the UK and Europe?
What the policy prescriptive for all the acid attacks in London?
For the bombs in Sweden?
For the truck attacks in Germany, France, UK, etc.?

I would say gun advocates recognize that the motivation behind the use of the gun for mass murder is the problem, not the weapon.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2017 02:24 PM (W+vEI)

37 when did this law get repealed?

"Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing. - John Derbyshire, Conquest's laws

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:24 PM (h/uSM)

38 I don't know who 2 of these people are and I don't care what they think about anything.

I know who the third person is and I also don't care what he thinks about anything.

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 02:24 PM (hZ+us)

39 They must not think much of our military and police officers, eh?

_++++++++++++

you know, it's political malpractive the GOP doesn't hold the Jesus-land contempt around the donks' necks in nearly every ad. I don't know much about our fully integrated, like us in everyway south american replacement americans...but their 4X4's sure have a lot of Jesus stuff on them. This could be...what's the term...?

a wedge issue?

Posted by: Witwickian Sage (muh IP=BooBs) at November 06, 2017 02:24 PM (RDd1I)

40 i would imagine any of these 'conservatives' being shot at by a criminal would appreciate a non criminal, such as the police (whom they incessantly claim cannot be trusted), security or a citizen to disarm or shoot the criminal.

They would leave all lesser americans and gated communities without anything to defend ourselves, we can just talk the criminal down (talk nice!)somehow and pee on them to aid our survival.

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:24 PM (Zmz55)

41 If guns are so dangerous how come we never hear of all the cop kids dying at home when mommy or daddy gets off shift and their sidearms starts going off?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 06, 2017 02:24 PM (0tfLf)

42 Max Boot's hat is how you know he's a serious thinker. Like Glenn Thrush.

Posted by: John Marston at November 06, 2017 02:24 PM (SkuXa)

43 Often, the people they don't trust with firearms are the same ones who have actually been shot at.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 02:24 PM (QQ+il)

44 The primary reason the left has been so successful to this point is that the "leadership" of the right has been co-opted.

The last conservative initiative of note to come out of DC was welfare reform in the mid 90s...and the Republicans have controlled congress most of that time...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2017 02:25 PM (eSx+E)

45 If only there were strict laws against murder.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at November 06, 2017 02:25 PM (DxWUs)

46 Reminder that Max Boot and David Frum are Bush stooges who pushed us into the Iraq War and sent thousands of young men and women from 'Gun Culture 'Murica' to needless deaths on foreign soil. These are evil men.

And fuck Tom Nichols too.

Posted by: Hate at November 06, 2017 02:25 PM (fiEXT)

47 25
13 i admit to praying for the victims and thanking the Other citizen gun holder for chasing the perp

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:20 PM (Zmz55)

Funny how that "Only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" meme has come back and bit the gun grabbers right in the mish.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 06, 2017 02:22 PM (jxbfJ)

As I noted this morning:

The hero, a good guy with a gun, the one who engaged the TX church shooter on scene, then chased the murderer down, and possibly shot him, the local media is hailing him - get this - a "bystander." A bystander?

Fucking propaganda is all the media is.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 06, 2017 02:25 PM (tbOMB)

48 Can we apply millkohns to their tweets?

Posted by: Penfold at November 06, 2017 02:25 PM (Fbt5B)

49 also, hard to hold euros up as a role model, what with their recent shootings that include one with 100+ dead, not to mention truck violence problems, and the grooming issue.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage (muh IP=BooBs) at November 06, 2017 02:25 PM (RDd1I)

50 Notice the left tries very hard to avoid mentioning that a guy down the street stopped this shooter - with a gun.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 06, 2017 02:25 PM (7ZVPa)

51 Sure glad GW Bush surrounded himself with solid conservatives like David Frum, Matthew Dowd and Nichole Wallace.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2017 02:25 PM (OD2ni)

52 >>Max Boot's hat is how you know he's a serious thinker. Like Glenn Thrush.

Or balding. Like Glenn Thrush.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2017 02:25 PM (/tuJf)

53 you know, it's political malpractive the GOP doesn't hold the Jesus-land contempt around the donks' necks in nearly every ad

In fairness, the GOP holds us in contempt as well.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 02:26 PM (QQ+il)

54 Hey Tom, Orlando and San Bernadino are coastal cities too.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 06, 2017 02:26 PM (/qEW2)

55 1) That Conservative Inc/The Establishment is really stupid.
2) That Conservative Inc/The Establishment are quiet fine with or agree with progressive policies and ideas.
3) That Conservative Inc/The Establishment really really really really hate the base that elected them.
Posted by: El Kabong at November 06, 2017 02:21 PM (datdl)

I would modify 3 to: The Conservative Inc/The Establishment have utter and complete contempt for the base that elected them. They believe that they should be able to lie boldly, brazenly to the voters faces in order to get elected, then do as they damn well please once elected. This is the proper order of things to them.

It is up to us, the primary voters, to disabuse them of this notion.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 02:26 PM (ycWCI)

56 Ah, poor Tom's dead, but remember Patriot Games!

Posted by: Witwickian Sage (muh IP=BooBs) at November 06, 2017 02:26 PM (RDd1I)

57 I think Tommy Boy Nichols may have surpassed Rick Wilson and McMuffin as the most insufferable NeverTrumpers. He has gradually fallen in love with the idea that his "dumb" "ignorant" countrymen need to be leashed and guided by geniuses such as himself who are on Twitter all day long.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 06, 2017 02:26 PM (datdl)

58 Its just stomach churning to see a steady pattern of hard leftists trying to murder conservatives across the country developing and see these fools respond with gun control.

Yeah, that's the problem. Its not lunatic hard left freaks driven to violence by the constant drumbeat of the media and entertainment community its guns.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:26 PM (39g3+)

59 and yeh Nichols You are a coastal elitist. still even people like congressman get shot at. Did you see that? and How would you have gotten the man with that gun from him?

you want laws but only the lawful would hand them over.

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:26 PM (Zmz55)

60 Just pumping bullets in his direction will cause him to scramble for cover, or flee, or start firing back ineffectually -- panic fire.

Covering fire!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 06, 2017 02:27 PM (8gDQu)

61 also Ban trucks and cars annd planes, and knives, and acid, and poison, and bacterium, and men in general .

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:27 PM (Zmz55)

62 51 Sure glad GW Bush surrounded himself with solid conservatives like David Frum, Matthew Dowd and Nichole Wallace.

+++++

thank God...or else the GOP had lost the moderates.

Nothing inspires confidence in your opinions, ideas, and values like being too embarrassed to even mention them.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage (muh IP=BooBs) at November 06, 2017 02:27 PM (RDd1I)

63 These people really, truly hate us.

Posted by: rickl at November 06, 2017 02:27 PM (xjiRE)

64 The left:

"We cannot portray homosexuals, minorities, or Muslims as bad in our entertainment or people will be cued by that to attack these people.

Also the left:

"We need to portray conservatives and Donald Trump in the worst possible light, as a hateful monster that needs to be dead."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:27 PM (39g3+)

65 So once again we are thrown into the gun hysterics filled with "experts" who don't have a friggin clue what they are talking about...

Posted by: It's me donna at November 06, 2017 02:27 PM (O2RFr)

66 42: Max Boot's hat is how you know he's a serious thinker. Like Glenn Thrush.
Posted by: John Marston at November 06, 2017 02:24 PM (SkuXa)

Either that, or a cartoon character from the 50s.

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 02:27 PM (hZ+us)

67 I saw the interview with the driver of the car the bystander enlisted to chase the perp. I think I'd have been worried with a guy jumping in my car with a gun.

He had a nice throat tattoo though.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 02:27 PM (QQ+il)

68 Gun advocates insist: only prayer can mitigate human evil. Policy is futile. Except in every other advanced democracy, where it works

-- David Frum (@davidfrum) November 6, 2017

So, move there.

Problem solved.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 06, 2017 02:27 PM (8gDQu)

69 Except in every other advanced democracy, where it works.

Take out the urban "gun culture" and what would be left of the statistics that these idiots hold so dear? Not much.

But that's inconvenient.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 06, 2017 02:28 PM (B+qrE)

70 Wait, ace, I think we're overlooking something, maybe.

Does Nichols teach ship-handling, navigation, or other sea-faring topics at the NWC?

Might explain some things in the news recently.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 02:28 PM (QDnY+)

71 If it wasn't for projection of their own worst fears of their own personal inadequacies, Lefty cowards like these would have nothing to crywrite about.

Posted by: ShainS at November 06, 2017 02:28 PM (+8G1S)

72 Willowed but it kinda fits here too....

They are fanatics. And there are too many of them.
Posted by: Alana at November 06, 2017 01:52 PM (30PeX)

It's actually worse than that. Yes, they're fanatics.

The most dangerous kind of fanatics.

They're religious fanatics. Politics is their religion and the anointed one is their god or goddess.

Look at how they talked about Barky when he was President. They were working themselves up into the same kind of frenzy for Hillary.

Then poof! It was over.

Then came the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Literally, wailing and gnashing of teeth.

These people we laugh at now are dangerous religious fanatics.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at November 06, 2017

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at November 06, 2017 02:28 PM (hS07U)

73 rickl, they want us to climb back in caves and huts.

They like being the boss of us, and certainly do not want the likes of Us getting any foothold in life.

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:28 PM (Zmz55)

74 I just love how many Cons we have who proselytize in the wrong direction. They are trying to tell us what we should think and feel (just like the Dems) while not giving one tenth of one shit what we feel.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 02:28 PM (ycWCI)

75 remember though, to the hate filled, lunatic left, the only act of violence they'll remember from 2017 is C-ville. Some guy panicked and gave a fat chick a heart attack and that's their 9-11, folks.

because they hate us. because they're insane. but mostly because they're too insane to process bad ideas.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage (muh IP=BooBs) at November 06, 2017 02:28 PM (RDd1I)

76 61 also Ban trucks and cars annd planes, and knives, and acid, and poison, and bacterium, and men in general .

And socialist neighbors who knock you down while mowing

Posted by: It's me donna at November 06, 2017 02:28 PM (O2RFr)

77 If guns are so dangerous how come we never hear of all the cop kids dying at home when mommy or daddy gets off shift and their sidearms starts going off?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 06, 2017 02:24 PM (0tfLf)

Oh, there will be. On the ONT last night, mention was made of some Fed agent leaving his car unlocked in the Tenderloin district of Frisco, and a rifle and two pistols, and radios were stolen.

Top. Men.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2017 02:29 PM (oPNmq)

78 Just pumping bullets in his direction will cause him to scramble for cover, or flee, or start firing back ineffectually -- panic fire.

Covering fire!

Reloading!!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 02:29 PM (XWb4y)

79 they want subservient serfs, and unfortunately people like us would be, criminals -murderers, antifa, not likely.

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:29 PM (Zmz55)

80 Suppressing Fire!!!

Posted by: Cyril Figus at November 06, 2017 02:30 PM (U0qT9)

81 Rand Paul has 5 ribs that were so badly broken by his very own neighbor that his lung was damaged.

I hope when he is able to get back on the senate floor, he delivers a lecture on calming down the rhetoric.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at November 06, 2017 02:30 PM (GzDYP)

82 Wil Wheaton's callous reaction to people praying for the Texas victims was breathtaking in its hate. He tried backtracking but internetz are forever.

https://twitter.com/wilw/status/927284357609353218

According to Alex he has a history of sexually harrassing women at cons. Spill the beans ladies and rope him into pervgate! No one deserves it more than the original "don't be a dick" guy.

Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2017 02:30 PM (hvf9s)

83 59. Yeah, about that... I'm a law-abiding type, more or less. Like most rational actors, I weigh pro vs con for these sorts of things, and I have to say - in terms of firearms, I'm not likely to comply with an unreasonable restriction. There are likely scores of millions in this country who see things in much the same way.

Posted by: Apple Fritters While Rome Burns at November 06, 2017 02:30 PM (fA1SL)

84 69 Except in every other advanced democracy, where it works.

+++++++

not for much longer...as the grooming issue gets resolved in every other advanced democracy.

remember, to this batshit leftist group, the true issue isn't sweden becoming the rape capital of the "every other advanced democracy" but their inexplicable rise in nationalism.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage (muh IP=BooBs) at November 06, 2017 02:30 PM (RDd1I)

85 David Frum needs to put down the crack pipe.

Posted by: Fritz at November 06, 2017 02:30 PM (2Mnv1)

86 Democrats hate guns, and want them outlawed. Non-Democrats support the basic human right of self-defense and the corollary right to equip oneself for self-defense with the best available means.

Seems like the answer is simple; make it illegal for Democrats to own guns. Everyone would be happy.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 06, 2017 02:30 PM (O7MnT)

87 The left:

"We cannot portray OUR ALLIES, the homosexuals, minorities, or Muslims as bad in our
entertainment or people will be cued by that to attack these people.

Also the left:

"We need to portray OUR ENEMIES, the conservatives and Donald Trump in the worst possible light, as a hateful monster that needs to be dead."

Fixed for accuracy.

Posted by: shibumi at November 06, 2017 02:30 PM (aT+Bx)

88 One of the reasons the Chicago body count is so high is because gang-bangers do not know how to shoot and spray bullets all over the street. I was a block away from a Churches Chicken in Englewood when 8 people were shot. The shooter was trying to shoot one man who ran out the back completely unscathed.

One of my big problems with the clutching pearls club is their invincible ignorance and arrogance.

Posted by: Paul at November 06, 2017 02:30 PM (k2U8M)

89 donna, who doesn't like to be beat up while doing a mundane task.

just like those in church right, they are just living their lives and some 'wack'bird comes along and kills them.
and Obviously the law didn't stop him, or people Like him

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:31 PM (Zmz55)

90 Except in every other advanced democracy, where it works.

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Dear Liberal Pointed Headed Doofus.

If you remove the gun murders of just Los Angeles, Chicago, Baltimore and New Orleans, the USA is even with or better than the dystopian utopias of crime you like to point to across the pond.

It aint a gun problem. Its a people problem.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 02:31 PM (8XRCm)

91 Eyes on you, Mr. O'Spades! Eyes on YOU!!!

Posted by: The Salon Hot 25 at November 06, 2017 02:31 PM (O5Q3r)

92 also, hard to hold euros up as a role model, what with their recent shootings that include one with 100+ dead, not to mention truck violence problems, and the grooming issue.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage (muh IP=BooBs) at November 06, 2017 02:25 PM (RDd1I)

========

We'll give up our Muslims when you pry them from our cold, dead hands.

Posted by: European Union at November 06, 2017 02:31 PM (/qEW2)

93 Nice to know that so may people who hate and fear me also wanted me to think that they're "on my side".

Kind of like the sort of manipulative behavior you see from a genuine sociopath.

Like someone said on the previous thread, the Great Unmasking is maybe the most unexpected effect of PDT's election. And I am enjoying every minute of it.
Hard to win a war when your operation is riddled with traitors; we're lucky our enemies are revealing themselves.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at November 06, 2017 02:31 PM (Ktb8D)

94 Rand Paul has 5 ribs that were so badly broken by his very own neighbor that his lung was damaged.
***
Note this is the second serious, physical attack by leftists on rightwing political leaders. Where is the investigation of antifa before they manage to kill another political leader?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2017 02:31 PM (eSx+E)

95 Doesn't Frum believe ordering a sandwich in a NY Deli is difficult?

Posted by: Garrett at November 06, 2017 02:31 PM (U0qT9)

96 What woman wouldn't want Wesley Crusher inside them?

Posted by: steevy at November 06, 2017 02:31 PM (44aC/)

97 67
I saw the interview with the driver of the car the bystander enlisted to chase the perp. I think I'd have been worried with a guy jumping in my car with a gun.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 02:27 PM (QQ+il)

God bless Texas, where this sort of thing is expected, and you would be looked upon as suspect if jumping into a strange car withOUT a gun.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 06, 2017 02:31 PM (tbOMB)

98 I observed no less than 3 people open carrying in WalMart this morning. This is in western WA state. Brought a tear to my eye.

Posted by: Under Fire at November 06, 2017 02:32 PM (mcI77)

99 >>>68 Gun advocates insist: only prayer can mitigate human evil. Policy is futile. Except in every other advanced democracy, where it works

-- David Frum (@davidfrum) November 6, 2017

So, move there.

Problem solved.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPai

...

especially easy in Frum's case -- I believe he's a natural-born Canadian.

Posted by: ace at November 06, 2017 02:32 PM (8rNrN)

100 so when do they actually engage their brains and do more than aknowledge there are bad people? And allow us to defend ourselves from Bad people?

teh plumber guy? should get an award, who knows where that guy was headed next.

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:33 PM (Zmz55)

101 Say, speaking of True Conservatives, is that Sullivan fella still alive?

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 02:33 PM (GEpFD)

102 If you remove the gun murders of just Los Angeles, Chicago, Baltimore and New Orleans, the USA is even with or better than the dystopian utopias of crime you like to point to across the pond.

It aint a gun problem. Its a people problem.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 02:31 PM (8XRCm)

Been arguing with libs for a while about this. Is there a source?

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 06, 2017 02:33 PM (72PAC)

103 you guys on twitter should spit back at this "every other advanced democracy" bullshit by noting the grooming issue, the no-go issue, the Je Suis issue, and the myriad other ... ahh.... set backs they're encountering as an unarmed sheep culture.

Posted by: Witwickian Sage (muh IP=BooBs) at November 06, 2017 02:33 PM (RDd1I)

104 67: I saw the interview with the driver of the car the bystander enlisted to chase the perp. I think I'd have been worried with a guy jumping in my car with a gun.

He had a nice throat tattoo though.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 02:27 PM (QQ+il)

Small town-400 people or so. They probably all know each other. Brave souls. They surely saved at least one life.

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 02:33 PM (hZ+us)

105 SHUT UP WESLEY!!!

Posted by: The Entire Cast of Star Trek Voayger at November 06, 2017 02:34 PM (SkuXa)

106 >>> What woman wouldn't want Wesley Crusher inside them? Posted by: steevy at November 06, 2017 02:31 PM (44aC/)

Ugh! Now I know what the lefty crybabies in the previous thread felt like when they wanted to throw up on election night.

Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2017 02:34 PM (hvf9s)

107 According to Alex he has a history of sexually harrassing women at cons. Spill the beans ladies and rope him into pervgate! No one deserves it more than the original "don't be a dick" guy

Just get on twitter and start referring to the douche as "wesley" or "young master crusher" and watch him lose his shit.

Posted by: GMan (My kingdom for 10 feet of rope and some torches) at November 06, 2017 02:34 PM (sxq57)

108 Given the fact that the shooting in Texas highlights the efficacy of background checks, the "common sense gun control people" only have one place to go: confiscation. And if it is too much trouble to round up a few million illegals, I guess it might be too much trouble to round up a hundred or so million illegal guns. Some guns tend to stay in the shadows like in canoes and lake bottoms.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 06, 2017 02:34 PM (hKi6n)

109 Practice, practice, and more practice. That's why I roll my eyes when leftists complain that we can buy ammo by the case. I'll burn 1k rounds on a weekend of training easily.

These 'concern'elites of twatterneed to come clean. They are leftists through-and-through.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at November 06, 2017 02:34 PM (O9qtX)

110 I'm glad to see these idiots speaking up. Good to know who our friends and enemies are.

Max Boot can (and will) eat a dick.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 06, 2017 02:34 PM (xJa6I)

111 borrowed and true...

piece keepers keep the peace

Posted by: concrete girl at November 06, 2017 02:34 PM (MF4DY)

112 100 so when do they actually engage their brains and do more than aknowledge there are bad people? And allow us to defend ourselves from Bad people?

teh plumber guy? should get an award, who knows where that guy was headed next.
Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:33 PM (Zmz55)

Mrs. Felderson had a clogged shower that I was gonna take care of. I keep telling her to do a pre-shave outside the tub!

Posted by: The Plumber at November 06, 2017 02:34 PM (ycWCI)

113 Whenever I hear any of these pompous asses talk about gun control and confiscation, I just tell them

"Take the guns away, all of them. You go first, I'll hold your coat."

Posted by: navybrat at November 06, 2017 02:34 PM (w7KSn)

114 Rand Paul has 5 ribs that were so badly broken by his very own neighbor that his lung was damaged.

I hope when he is able to get back on the senate floor, he delivers a lecture on calming down the rhetoric.

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The real problem is the anti-progressive backlash this could cause by you people.

Posted by: MSM at November 06, 2017 02:34 PM (h/uSM)

115 Well, I guess we know what is on the agenda for the next super secret meeting of the concerned conservatives.
Posted by: IC at November 06, 2017 02:18 PM (a0IVu)

Those dorks are about as conservative as George Will, Brooks and Milky Loads/Power Glutes.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (y7DUB)

116 Was anyone else impressed that Rand Paul mows his own lawn?

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (hZ+us)

117 Rand Paul has 5 ribs that were so badly broken by his very own neighbor that his lung was damaged.

The charges definitely need to be upgraded to a felony.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (QQ+il)

118 You have to understand that to self-proclaimed coastal elites, a gun may as well be a UFO. They're vaguely aware that they exist, and have some idea of their general purpose, but they have no idea how they work.

This is a really bad metaphor, but hey, I'm in the mood for some bad writing. Imagine that there was a single pill that perfectly managed Type-2 Diabetes. Everyone who has Diabetes takes this pill and it helps them lead a healthy, fulfilling life.

Except that, every year, about 25 or 50 people just explode randomly because they take this pill.

So someone with no need for this pill finds it quite easy to say "This is insanity! Why do we allow this pills that blows people up to be bought so easily!" Never mind that it's perfectly safe for 99.999% of people that take it, or that it's something they need for their quality of life.

So to these coastal cucks, to whom a gun is about as relevant to their everyday lives as a female orgasm, you can see why their first, second and only thought after tragedy like this is "BANBANBANBAN!!!"

Posted by: broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (oZ6kz)

119 as I've long said -- it's not guns these people don't like, it's the "gun culture" and the people living in "'Murica."

They don't like us. (well, you, I live in somewhat rural New england, but spent most my life in the Acela corridor.)

To them, you are "the other." You/we are toothless, redneck, cousin kissin, banjo strummin, porch sittin, shotgun shootin, camo wearing, pick up truck driving, god worshiping backwards sub-80 IQ hicks.

They, of course, are sophisticated, open minded, smart, and civilized.

So... you like guns? Well, fuck you. They don't need a gun, they say. So fuck you if you enjoy shooting.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (wmaTe)

120 They are clueless about having something truly hideous in common with the murderer.

A penchant for not only mocking those who pray, but defining them as disposable.

Fuck these people.

Posted by: Denny Crane! at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (B1+NN)

121 Except in every other advanced democracy, where it works.

The other thing they forget when they bring up these statistics is that even in those "advanced democracies" that have less murder, they had less murder before they had gun control.

Unless one believes in magical time-traveling laws, their gun control didn't do anything except possibly increase the murder rate in their countries.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (2lndx)

122 " Its just stomach churning to see a steady pattern of hard leftists trying to murder conservatives across the country developing and see these fools respond with gun control. "

Says everything anyone needs to know about whose side they're really on.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (Ktb8D)

123 Meanwhile, back at the party of science, they've got gender-bender witches throwing hexes at PDT.

http://tinyurl.com/y8yw9399

The same folks who mock Christians for praying for the health and well-being of others.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 06, 2017 02:36 PM (O7MnT)

124 Well Max...if we had more thoughts and prayers, particularly prayers, there'd be less shooting. Think back on those days when Americans by and large went to church.
But you may be on to something...a good start on legislation would be a complete concealed carry permit reciprocity across all states.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 06, 2017 02:36 PM (0tfLf)

125 Paul, arrogance and ignorance nicely sums up these people. The ignorance, and bigotry, of those who are given a public megaphone in America today, are stunning.

And it's elective. There are people who equal or exceed this trio of dumb in all "elite" qualifications, are "coastal", very worldly - yet who also have common sense and some life experience, and - shockingly - some familiarity with firearms and the realities of criminal violence in the US. Who, of course, cannot believe that such ignorant, un-self-aware bigots can spout their idiocy for very long before they are shamed into silence.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 02:36 PM (QDnY+)

126 Great post Ace.

Posted by: Killerdog at November 06, 2017 02:36 PM (OhOgv)

127 >>116 Was anyone else impressed that Rand Paul mows his own lawn?

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (hZ+us)

No.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at November 06, 2017 02:37 PM (mcI77)

128 Six Finger, Six Finger man alive!
How'd I ever get along with five?

Posted by: wth at November 06, 2017 02:37 PM (HgMAr)

129 Practice, practice, and more practice. That's why I roll my eyes when leftists complain that we can buy ammo by the case. I'll burn 1k rounds on a weekend of training easily.

If you haven't had to replace a barrel it's like Do you even shoot, Brah?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 02:37 PM (QQ+il)

130
#SalonHot25: The news' hottest takes from the JournoList's biggest fakes!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 06, 2017 02:37 PM (pNxlR)

131 The only argument you need...

A bad guy was stopped from murdering more people... by a law abiding citizen, with a gun.

Case, closed.

Posted by: Don Q. at November 06, 2017 02:37 PM (NgKpN)

132 Democrats hate guns, and want them outlawed.

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Almost.

Democrats hate gun owners.

Guns they are ok with.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 02:37 PM (8XRCm)

133 The Paolo is---how you say---disturbed by Tom's level of cuckoldry.

Posted by: Paolo at November 06, 2017 02:37 PM (FwRqg)

134 especially easy in Frum's case -- I believe he's a natural-born Canadian.

Posted by: ace at November 06, 2017 02:32 PM (8rNrN)

You can keep him. His mama was a whacked-out sack of shit, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2017 02:37 PM (oPNmq)

135
A colleague who is gay and married was on the phone with her wife saying, "They're not going to take this damn ring away from me."

I take it The Meeting of the Concerned has formed the Strongly Worded Tweet Committee.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 06, 2017 02:38 PM (lKyWE)

136 and another thing. Why should we trust any of you elitists"( your words) to keep us safe?
when you openly insult and openly despise people like us that might just Own a pick up truck or do weird things like argue your propagandized talking points?
You have made it Very clear, Who you think is less than a human.

sorry we saw that b.s all over the world , we ain't just chawin on cheetos and mountain dew.

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:38 PM (Zmz55)

137 Wil Wheaton's callous reaction to people praying for the Texas victims was breathtaking in its hate. He tried backtracking but internetz are forever.

There is a reason Dr. Sheldon Cooper hates Wil Wheaton.

I must concur.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 02:38 PM (XWb4y)

138 98
I observed no less than 3 people open carrying in WalMart this morning. This is in western WA state. Brought a tear to my eye.

Posted by: Under Fire at November 06, 2017 02:32 PM (mcI77)

Good deal and howdy neighbor.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 06, 2017 02:38 PM (tbOMB)

139 116 Was anyone else impressed that Rand Paul mows his own lawn?
Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (hZ+us)

Yes. Now that you mention it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 02:38 PM (ycWCI)

140 Oh and the more these idiots yell about gun regulation the more gun threads we get so theres that!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 06, 2017 02:38 PM (VezBU)

141 Egg McMuffin is contemplating policy while drinking Diet Coke, and eating olive and hummus.

Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at November 06, 2017 02:38 PM (J70i0)

142 Tom Nichols' Tweet is yet more proof that we need a national divorce.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 06, 2017 02:38 PM (ul9CR)

143
How did that happen?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 06, 2017 02:39 PM (lKyWE)

144 Who atre these douchebags quoted in Ace's post?

Are they actually presenting themselves as "conservatives"?

They use standard progressive shibboleths to identify themselves as members of the leftist tribe. They're not even trying to hide it.

What kind of masquerade is this?

Who is fooled?

No one, I suspect. They only people being fooled as the faux-conservatives themselves, who congratulate each other on their totally convincing masks. While everyone else laughs at them.

Posted by: zombie at November 06, 2017 02:39 PM (42M22)

145 if Frum is into breaking constitutional rights openly can we kick him back to the curb?

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:39 PM (Zmz55)

146
11 I would take Max Boot more seriously if he wasn't wearing that dorky hat. Nah, not really...
Posted by: tu3031 at November 06, 2017 02:19 PM (O5Q3r)

Das Boot's poseur brother?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 06, 2017 02:39 PM (pNxlR)

147 atre = are

Posted by: zombie at November 06, 2017 02:39 PM (42M22)

148 From looks like he concealed carries 4 or 5 sticks of butter at all times.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2017 02:39 PM (/tuJf)

149 Take out the urban "gun culture" and what would be left of the statistics that these idiots hold so dear? Not much.

Take out suicides (over 60% of shooting deaths) and gang members killing gang members (a huge plurality of the remainder) and your odds of being killed by gunshot in any given year is on the same order of magnitude of being killed by lightning.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 06, 2017 02:40 PM (jhqr1)

150 So refreshing to be splattered by so much patrician vomit. At least we know it's coming and can usually duck.

These are the same people expressing "concern" over tragedies like yesterdays, all the while redoubling their efforts to import a replacement culture for recalcitrant Americans. None of these people cared about the lives of the 26 or so people killed yesterday while they lived; they were in fact just another inconvenient pocket of resistance to the oleagenous ooze of Progessivism across what remains of a proudly indepenent America.

In constantly and unfailingly exploiting these tragedies, Progressives again and will ever remind me, and perhaps you, that the 2nd Amendment is profoundly political, perhaps more so than the other 9 original amendments.

I dont fear robbers, home invasions, or being gunned down at Church. I fear the dark, dark impulses of these eliist cretins.

Posted by: ErikInTexas at November 06, 2017 02:40 PM (TUUTu)

151 Frum damn autocorrect

Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2017 02:40 PM (/tuJf)

152 Was anyone else impressed that Rand Paul mows his own lawn?

Posted by: LASue

No. Did mine yesterday in almost 90 degree weather.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 02:40 PM (XWb4y)

153 Guy on Frum's twitter reply-thread-whatever said that one saying is that what stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, so OK...the NRA are bad guys with guns.

And yet they pretend to not understand why normal, law abiding folks want to own firearms.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at November 06, 2017 02:40 PM (tVWQB)

154 116 Was anyone else impressed that Rand Paul mows his own lawn?

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another day, another new euphamism

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:40 PM (h/uSM)

155 They have disdain for people who pray. It oozes out of them.

That is a word I was looking for.

Disdain. And those who are different? Disposable.

Posted by: Denny Crane! at November 06, 2017 02:40 PM (B1+NN)

156 Today Breitbart posted Meryl Streep's comment about Dustin Hoffman, groping her breast, Time magazine, etc.

Where's the h/t? Where's the acknowledgement, that I, Shopgirl, posted that story here, twice! Once the week the Weinstein story broke; again, this weekend in the "appropriate to topic" thread.

*grabs ball, takes it home*

Posted by: Shopgirl, Did I mention the 2015 WS? at November 06, 2017 02:40 PM (vj22Z)

157 145 if Frum is into breaking constitutional rights openly can we kick him back to the curb?
Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:39 PM (Zmz55)

At this point, these guys are like people at a party who no one invited, no one is talking to, and who will not leave.

Then they get drunk and get in a fight with themselves, trash the place and get the cops called.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 02:40 PM (ycWCI)

158 garrett, think that was Brooks (the ridiculous NY deli column).

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 02:41 PM (QDnY+)

159 re: "every other democracy blah blah blah"

a) they're way smaller countries then we are, both in landmass and population.
b) most of our "gun violence" is committed by and on young black men, and a large subset of that violence is gang related, a problem Europe has not historically had.
c) every other "advanced democracy" has the same fucking issues we do with schizophrenia and pyschopaths, but refer back to "a" as to why we seem to have more spree shooting / killing events then they do.

There is literally NOTHING the government can do vis-a-vis guns to change this scenario. You can't uninvent the firearm. You'll have just as much success keeping guns out of the hands of criminals as you've had keeping weed out of the hands of criminals, AND all these "common sense gun reforms" will do is
a) drive more otherwise law abiding citizens to break the law
and
b) disarm people who could otherwise be a huge asset in a violent crime situation -- the responsible gun owner who could possibly save some lives and/or stop a woman from being raped etc. etc. by just unholstering their weapon (must less using it.)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 02:41 PM (wmaTe)

160 149 Take out the urban "gun culture" and what would be left of the statistics that these idiots hold so dear? Not much.

Take out suicides (over 60% of shooting deaths) and gang members killing gang members (a huge plurality of the remainder) and your odds of being killed by gunshot in any given year is on the same order of magnitude of being killed by lightning.
Posted by: bonhomme

Up on Olympus, they're considering a lightning-bolt ban to keep Zeus from another one of his killing sprees.

Posted by: zombie at November 06, 2017 02:41 PM (42M22)

161 Meeting of the Concerned = Meeting of the Cornered

These losers policy influence are reduced to rants on twitter. Tom Nichols and Max Boot now have exactly the same impact on Washington as I do.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 06, 2017 02:41 PM (LISuA)

162 So my choice seems to be killed by a gun or killed by a Home Depot rental truck. I'll take door number two Bob.

Posted by: Pudding Head at November 06, 2017 02:41 PM (YV+SU)

163 Yeah, the infamous Deli Meats column was David Brooks.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 06, 2017 02:41 PM (ul9CR)

164 82 Wil Wheaton's callous reaction to people praying for the Texas victims was breathtaking in its hate. He tried backtracking but internetz are forever.

https://twitter.com/wilw/status/927284357609353218

According to Alex he has a history of sexually harrassing women at cons. Spill the beans ladies and rope him into pervgate! No one deserves it more than the original "don't be a dick" guy.
Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2017 02:30 PM (hvf9s)

Oh he absolutely does. I know two women that he's propositioned at cons, both with the promise of free weed back at his hotel.

Posted by: josephistan at November 06, 2017 02:41 PM (7HtZB)

165 154 116 Was anyone else impressed that Rand Paul mows his own lawn?

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another day, another new euphamism

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:40 PM (h/uSM)

Now if he would just shave off that poodle cut thing he has on his noggin!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 02:41 PM (ycWCI)

166 >>Good deal and howdy neighbor.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 06, 2017 02:38 PM (tbOMB)

Hola *waves* The mountain people come down early to shop on Mondays in Smokey Point.

Posted by: Under Fire at November 06, 2017 02:41 PM (mcI77)

167 161 Meeting of the Concerned = Meeting of the Cornered

These losers policy influence are reduced to rants on twitter. Tom Nichols and Max Boot now have exactly the same impact on Washington as I do.
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Max Boot needs a curb stomping.

Posted by: Pudding Head at November 06, 2017 02:42 PM (YV+SU)

168 >>116 Was anyone else impressed that Rand Paul mows his own lawn?

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (hZ+us)

No.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at November 06, 2017 02:37 PM (mcI77)
...........

No.

Posted by: Manuel Labor at November 06, 2017 02:42 PM (HgMAr)

169 >>>Where is the investigation of antifa before they manage to kill another political leader?

The 70s are back!

Posted by: wooga at November 06, 2017 02:42 PM (5cCDd)

170 So you're saying is stuff doesn't happen like it does in the movies.

**Mind Blowing**

Posted by: dananjcon at November 06, 2017 02:42 PM (WLK0w)

171 116 Was anyone else impressed that Rand Paul mows his own lawn?
Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (hZ+us)

I honestly thought that was the real story, until I heard how badly he was injured.

Posted by: not the mama at November 06, 2017 02:42 PM (GCQK2)

172 Mountain people come out of the sky and they shop there!

Posted by: Jon Anderson at November 06, 2017 02:42 PM (ul9CR)

173 I think the left goes too far with the fears of backlash every time there's an event. But there is actually something to the idea that if you continually and without ceasing portray a certain group as the worst possible beings on the planet unworthy of even human rights, that there's a segment of the population that will say "yeah... hell yeah!!!" and pick up a weapon. It may be a bike lock, it maybe a baseball bat attached to a sign, it may be a truck, it may be a gun.

We've seen way too much lately of that happening. Cops shot in Dallas. A congressman shot in DC. A crowd shot in Las Vegas. Churches shot up twice now. Beatings at "rallies" and "protests." Cracked skulls, bloody faces.

People are responsible for this beyond the ones directly guilty.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:42 PM (39g3+)

174 "95 Doesn't Frum believe ordering a sandwich in a NY Deli is difficult?
Posted by: Garrett "

I believe that was noted pant crease expert David Brooks.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2017 02:43 PM (OD2ni)

175 Good blog on all this plus the instant memory-holing of the rabid lefty killer's Facebook page over at:

http://toolsofrenewal.com

Posted by: Sharkman at November 06, 2017 02:43 PM (0oDnb)

176 True Fact : Nate Silver has 3 lbs of un-digested red meat in his colon.

He paid a 12 year old boy $500 to put it there.

Posted by: garrett at November 06, 2017 02:43 PM (U0qT9)

177 57 I think Tommy Boy Nichols may have surpassed Rick Wilson and McMuffin as the most insufferable NeverTrumpers. He has gradually fallen in love with the idea that his "dumb" "ignorant" countrymen need to be leashed and guided by geniuses such as himself who are on Twitter all day long.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 06, 2017 02:26 PM (datdl)

Even Tommy boy doesn't come close to "Party before Country" Bush 2004 election strategist Matthew J. Dowd.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 06, 2017 02:43 PM (Bl5Zt)

178 I totes just trolled Whil Wheaton's Twitter.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 02:43 PM (GEpFD)

179 maybe leftism should be banned, they are the ones actually paying supporting funding Violence against others.

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 02:43 PM (Zmz55)

180
141 Egg McMuffin is contemplating policy while drinking Diet Coke, and eating olive and hummus.
Posted by: WOPR (Colonial Marines can't use harsh language) at November 06, 2017 02:38 PM (J70i0)

Of course he couldn't be a man and simply eat Olive-Impregnated Baloney, AKA Olive Loaf. He's a pure rippling meat sack of testosterone-suffused masculinity, Ol' Yegg is.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 06, 2017 02:43 PM (pNxlR)

181 Over in England, where acid attacks are now almost a daily occurrence, they're planning on banning acids. And then alkalis. And then inert substances. Next up: stick and nails, as they might become the raw materials for a-stick-with-a-nail-in-it.

Posted by: zombie at November 06, 2017 02:43 PM (42M22)

182 168 >>116 Was anyone else impressed that Rand Paul mows his own lawn?

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (hZ+us)

No.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at November 06, 2017 02:37 PM (mcI77)
...........

No.
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This just proves Rand Paul hates Mexicans.

Posted by: Pudding Head at November 06, 2017 02:43 PM (YV+SU)

183 Who is fooled?

No one, I suspect. They only people being fooled as the faux-conservatives themselves, who congratulate each other on their totally convincing masks. While everyone else laughs at them.
Posted by: zombie at November 06, 2017 02:39 PM (42M22)

No, their purpose is so that MSNBC can show their doofus audience, "see, even extreme right winger 'x' agrees with us. The SUPER DUPER EXTREMISTS though and the hostage takers at the NRA are blocking this COMMON SENSE reform"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 02:43 PM (wmaTe)

184 >>>158 garrett, think that was Brooks (the ridiculous NY deli column).

Delis would have to go in a dictatorship of the proletariat. Meats are separated by class -- that's not good.

Posted by: Communist Convert Cosmo Kramer at November 06, 2017 02:44 PM (8rNrN)

185 I'm glad these arrogant ignorant pussies don't live in gun country either. Who wants them?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 06, 2017 02:44 PM (VezBU)

186 Just don't "mow your own lawn" too often or you'll go blind.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 06, 2017 02:44 PM (ul9CR)

187 I saw Brooks and Frum open for Big and Rich at the Grand ol Opry back in April!

Posted by: garrett at November 06, 2017 02:44 PM (U0qT9)

188 He has gradually fallen in love with the idea that his "dumb" "ignorant" countrymen need to be leashed and guided by geniuses such as himself who are on Twitter all day long.

***

I expect Marvel Comics to be announcing his hire any day now.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 02:44 PM (GEpFD)

189 >>> Today Breitbart posted Meryl Streep's comment about Dustin Hoffman, groping her breast, Time magazine, etc.

I'm not gonna get invited to the Oscars telecast his year am I?

Posted by: Dustin Hoffman at November 06, 2017 02:44 PM (hvf9s)

190 Wil Wheaton's callous reaction to people praying for the Texas victims was breathtaking in its hate. He tried backtracking but internetz are forever.

https://twitter.com/wilw/status/927284357609353218

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Wow.

He just kept stomping on hs dick over and over and over.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 02:44 PM (8XRCm)

191 Take out suicides (over 60% of shooting deaths) and gang members
killing gang members (a huge plurality of the remainder) and your odds
of being killed by gunshot in any given year is on the same order of
magnitude of being killed by lightning.

Posted by: bonhomme
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Did not know this.

Wow- the numbers look even smaller when you correct for those people who slip through the existing laws and are able to buy guns when their records should disqualify them. Existing laws don't seem to work, and so gun control absolutists want to double down on new laws.

The issue is culture. Obviously.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 06, 2017 02:44 PM (LISuA)

192 Look, ED GILLESPIE who is the Bushiest GOPe ever, is TOO BUTCH for Bill Kristol's wife.

Posted by: blaster at November 06, 2017 02:44 PM (9VeU0)

193 *grabs ball, takes it home*

Posted by: Shopgirl, Did I mention the 2015 WS? at November 06, 2017 02:40 PM (vj22Z)

Take two, and call me in the morning.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 06, 2017 02:45 PM (tbOMB)

194 Reading Tom "Expert" Nichols timeline on Twitter is like being forcibly eye raped: no one enjoys it and it just hurts the eyes. I mean, does he really BELIEVE this BS he spouts? He must, since he's so damn EARNEST about it. But it's so patently patronizing and absurd.

On the one hand, "Your odds of getting shot at church are soooo low that it's stupid to carry to church!"

On the other hand, "People need fewer guns because they keep shooting everyone."

So which is it? Random gun violence is so rampant that we need to restrict gun ownership, or random gun violence is so rare that mass gun ownership is a fool's errand?

Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at November 06, 2017 02:45 PM (rP4OC)

195 >>>They have disdain for people who pray. It oozes out of them.
<<<

You mean Frum? Or the shooter?

Posted by: Fritz at November 06, 2017 02:45 PM (2Mnv1)

196 The blood was still warm when Super Expert Man was mocking the notion that anyone would ever need a gun to protect from an attack in a church.

The gunman was stopped because a citizen, not an LEO, shot him. It was citizens, not LEOs, who chased the loser, causing him to either shoot himself and crash or crash and then shoot himself.

(That's not a slam on LEOs, those guys were right there when it happened and thus could react faster.)

Also, Super Expert Boy teaches at the freaking Naval War College.

Here's the thing on Nichols's and his how dare you not respect the authoritah of experts. Dude. I've done litigation work for over a decade and a half now. You can pay anyone enough money and they will come up with an expert opinion that says whatever you want it to say.

Experts are experts to and only to the extent that their knowledge comports with reality. Do I believe a structural engineer is an expert in, you know, stuff not falling down? Yup.

Do I still believe that structural engineer is an expert in stuff not falling down when the stuff does, oh, say, this?

https://youtu.be/j-zczJXSxnw

Nope.

Posted by: alexthechick - Your new AG. Now the DOJ has grry hands. at November 06, 2017 02:45 PM (mf5HN)

197 I think they should ban doofus hats and millennial glasses on people over 45.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 06, 2017 02:45 PM (tL/BP)

198 I will admit, when someone says they'll pray for me, I know it comes from a good place, but I feel a bit like George in The Strike, when he gets the "a donation has been made in your name" card.

"Where's your Christmas spirit? An eye for an eye!"

Posted by: broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter at November 06, 2017 02:45 PM (oZ6kz)

199 Look out! He's got a board with a nail in it!!

Posted by: Kodos at November 06, 2017 02:45 PM (QQ+il)

200 I think I'm going to start carrying at church again.

My leaders (LDS) asked us not to carry at church. I'm a good Mormon boy so I stopped. Given all the heat the LDS church has taken for the "anti-gay" stances in the past, it wouldn't surprise me to see some unhinged "activist" shoot up a chapel.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 06, 2017 02:46 PM (jhqr1)

201 According to Alex he has a history of sexually harrassing women at cons.

From what I have read and heard, "celebs" at cons are pretty much neck deep in panties, which is partly why they go. Perhaps mainly why they go. Even guys you'd like to think better of like Mark Waid.

After a few years of that, I think your capacity for interacting with women tends to degrade: you start thinking they all want "little Will" and presume upon their interest, usually very crudely.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:46 PM (39g3+)

202 >>>Even Tommy boy doesn't come close to "Party before Country" Bush 2004 election strategist Matthew J. Dowd.

See, I always assumed Dowd was an out and proud leftist, not a NeverTrumper.

Silly me, confusing NeverTrumpers and Progs.

Posted by: El Kabong at November 06, 2017 02:46 PM (datdl)

203 I suspected this would be the case

Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2017 02:46 PM (aC6Sd)

204 So which is it? Random gun violence is so rampant that we need to restrict gun ownership, or random gun violence is so rare that mass gun ownership is a fool's errand?

***

If not for doublethink, some folks couldn't think at all.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 02:46 PM (GEpFD)

205 Also what is Frum yammering on about? What policy stops evil?

As I keep saying, murder is already the most illegal of all the things that are illegal. That doesn't seem to stop people from killing each other.

Posted by: alexthechick - Your new AG. Now the DOJ has grry hands. at November 06, 2017 02:46 PM (mf5HN)

206
Was anyone else impressed that Rand Paul mows his own lawn?
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My real worry is that he won't be able to do the analysis in the Senate on the tax bill(s). I know a lot of people don't like him, but he is one of the few I depend on to speak the truth insofar as he is able, whether you agree with him or not.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 06, 2017 02:46 PM (MIKMs)

207 This is what a dying institution looks like. Remember that.

When a collective ideology is shown to have faulty ideals, it's adherents try to will, and force it into the appearance of validity.

Make no mistake. The deep state is not Democrat or Republican- that's just a shell. It is a combined desire to rule over others, with the only difference being a matter of degrees.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 06, 2017 02:46 PM (VpIIl)

208 They have disdain for people who pray. It oozes out of them.

along with the butter.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 02:47 PM (QQ+il)

209 Posted by: alexthechick - Your new AG. Now the DOJ has grry hands. at November 06, 2017 02:45 PM (mf5HN)

Always laugh at the expert thing since I always see the dueling experts during litigation.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 06, 2017 02:47 PM (tL/BP)

210 I don't always agree with Rand but I respect him a lot and I'm glad he's there in the Senate.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (ul9CR)

211 Where is the investigation of antifa before they manage to kill another political leader?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2017 02:31 PM (eSx+E)

Saw something somewhere a while back about subpoenas having been issued to websites for identifying records. Sessions isn't sleeping.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (GzDYP)

212 From what I have read and heard, "celebs" at cons are pretty much neck deep in panties, which is partly why they go. Perhaps mainly why they go. Even guys you'd like to think better of like Mark Waid.

***

Ahhhhhhh. So that's why Waid went all uber-cuck.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (GEpFD)

213 excellant Ace.
i didn't grow up with guns and am not that comfortable with them, but I also feel that most of the anti-gun types would never fight back.
they would go like sheep to the slaughter. Growing up guns were a big part of Americana and before Charlie Whitman, these shootings didn't happen. many theories of why this happened, but I prefer to be around heroes who fight back than quislings who won't.

Posted by: Avi at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (jBXZd)

214 Yep the attack on Sen. Paul is pretty yuuuuge. Especially of course following the attempted mass-murder of House Rs at the baseball practice.

Without checking I'm fairly confident these incidents are extremely rare in our history. One might thing violent attacks on office-holders - something fairly common in Africa, or the woolier districts of Latin America, etc. - would be, dunno, huge stories in this country. Especially a pattern of same.

Yes Trump could be elected, but things like this mostly suggest to me that the mass disinformation environment the country marinates in continues, and may be getting even worse. Imagine, if you can, the hysteria and 24/7 coverage if two Dem office-holders were physically attacked.

Delusional, and pearl-clutching, sorts went on for days and days about 72 "white supremacists" of dubious authenticity at a rally in C'ville (US senators even stated that some views were not protected by the constitution). Meanwhile, violent, nearly fatal physical attacks on *office-holders* by fascist nutjobs with heavy political profiles are one-day stories.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (QDnY+)

215 Just let me know when one of the concerned becomes one of the correct.

I suspect I have quite a long wait.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (3BFzK)

216 Excuse me, while I whip this out...

Posted by: Sheriff Donna Brazille at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (U0qT9)

217 Remember Ferguson, AntiFa yeah these guys want us unarmed so we can't fight back, Fuck You now way no how.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (dKiJG)

218 Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 06, 2017 02:44 PM (LISuA)

Link to the numbers?

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (72PAC)

219 How could that guy settle for "whitelash" when "crackalanche" was just there for the taking?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (htCbO)

220 *grabs ball, takes it home*

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alright, who's missing a ball?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:49 PM (h/uSM)

221 Without checking I'm fairly confident these incidents are extremely rare in our history. One might thing violent attacks on office-holders - something fairly common in Africa, or the woolier districts of Latin America, etc. - would be, dunno, huge stories in this country. Especially a pattern of same.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (QDnY+)

Not as rare as I'd like to think.

Posted by: Charles Sumner, sporting a rockin' headache at November 06, 2017 02:49 PM (wmaTe)

222 I am still amazed when liberals let their masks fall like Wheaton did - their lack of capacity for decency proves the Evil One walks among us.

Posted by: rammajamma at November 06, 2017 02:49 PM (oAlzZ)

223 That this Wil Wheaton person is actually considered a "celebrity" is a sad commentary on modern day America.

Posted by: tu3031 at November 06, 2017 02:49 PM (O5Q3r)

224 How could that guy settle for "whitelash" when "crackalanche" was just there for the taking?

***

Pretty sure calling him "that guy" is somehow rayciss.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 02:49 PM (GEpFD)

225 Also what is Frum yammering on about? What policy stops evil?

Placing philosopher kings like him in charge of the nation. He is so smart, so good, so enlightened, and so noble that gosh darn it, everything would work out perfectly if only people would listen. And obey.

Especially obey.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:49 PM (39g3+)

226 Who gives a fuck what these RINO/NeverTrumpers think or say...they are dead to me and to most Consesrvative Voters....They just don't know it yet

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (5y11N)

227 alright, who's missing a ball?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:49 PM (h/uSM)

I seem to be missing two.

Posted by: Egg McMuffin (with a dick in his mouth) at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (ul9CR)

228 "Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:46 PM (39g3+) "

To be fair, some of them go for the free booze instead of the women.

I've never seen a con celeb prey on a girl, but I've yet to meet one that will turn down a free drink.

Posted by: broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (oZ6kz)

229 My real worry is that he won't be able to do the analysis in the Senate on the tax bill(s). I know a lot of people don't like him, but he is one of the few I depend on to speak the truth insofar as he is able, whether you agree with him or not.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 06, 2017 02:46 PM (MIKMs)

His staff will probably still do it.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (hMwEB)

230 Good argument against gun control: Sen. Rand Paul.

Being a Rightwing Deathbeast, I would like nothing more than to see leftists denied the right to bear arms. But leftists have demonstrated that, with or without guns, they are unstable, violent loons bent on causing physical harm.

I'm gonna guess that they won't like this answer.

Posted by: zombie Spinal Tap drummer #1 at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (326rv)

231 205
Also what is Frum yammering on about? What policy stops evil?

As I keep saying, murder is already the most illegal of all the
things that are illegal. That doesn't seem to stop people from killing
each other.

Posted by: alexthechick - Your new AG. Now the DOJ has grry hands. at November 06, 2017 02:46 PM (mf5HN)

No no no, see, it's perfect. Murder's already illegal, yes. But what if we make it MORE ILLEGAL? Like, super duper ultra massive illegal? Like, you know how there are levels of classification? Secret, top secret, mega super Zordon secret, that kind of thing? We can just do the same thing for murder! NO ONE would commit murder if they knew it wasn't just illegal, but SUPER DUPER ULTRA MASSIVE 100% GRANDE ILLEGAL.

Foolproof.

Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (rP4OC)

232 That this Wil Wheaton person is actually considered a "celebrity" is a sad commentary on modern day America.

***

Well, at least he's famous for actually, you know, doing something. Unlike, say, the entire misbegotten Karsdashian brood.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (GEpFD)

233 >>>Where is the investigation of antifa before they manage to kill another political leader?

Who was the first?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (EWlfz)

234 I worked with tom nichols when I was in admin at the Navy War College. That facility is about 98.99% liberal and those people are completely isolated from normal society. I caused some what of a stir when they found out I was a Civil War reenactor for the Confederate side.

The vast majority of them live in Newport, RI proper which is overwhelmingly liberal so there is a constant liberal viewpoint reinforcement thing going on there.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (+Dllb)

235 I'm just worried about what's going to become of Rand Paul's lawn.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (h/uSM)

236 alright, who's missing a ball?

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: Lance Armstrong at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (QQ+il)

237 "Even Tommy boy doesn't come close to "Party before Country" Bush 2004 election strategist Matthew J. Dowd."

Agreed. Nichols used to post some interesting (conservative) things, but his instinct to be a smug a-hole got the better of him. Dowd is a preachy, sanctimonious leftist anymore.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (OD2ni)

238 I've come to the conclusion that there's no left in the US any longer. There is only would-be feudalists and people who just want to be left the hell alone. People who want to be in charge, maintaining their lifestyle comfortably with the rest of the nation subjugated to them, uneducated, servile, and obedient.

How could that guy settle for "whitelash" when "crackalanche" was just there for the taking?

See, now that would have cracked me the hell up. I would have laughed along with that one. Whitelash is just... dumb.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:51 PM (39g3+)

239 alright, who's missing a ball?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:49 PM (h/uSM)

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You know who else was missing a ball.... right??

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 02:52 PM (8XRCm)

240 Placing philosopher kings like him in charge of the nation. He is so smart, so good, so enlightened, and so noble that gosh darn it, everything would work out perfectly if only people would listen. And obey.

Especially obey.

***

Yup. Better the alt-right than the ctrl-left.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 02:52 PM (GEpFD)

241 "The vast majority of them live in Newport, RI proper which is overwhelmingly liberal so there is a constant liberal viewpoint reinforcement thing going on there.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman"

Nichols live is Newport, RI? THat explains a lot.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2017 02:52 PM (OD2ni)

242
FEED MEEEEEEEEEE ITALCICIANS!!!!!!

Posted by: The Barrel at November 06, 2017 02:52 PM (8XRCm)

243 Am I drunk?

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 02:52 PM (GEpFD)

244 That this Wil Wheaton person is actually considered a "celebrity" is a sad commentary on modern day America.

Posted by: tu3031

Also, the low bar to be considered a "celebrity".

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at November 06, 2017 02:52 PM (AM1GF)

245

Posted by: Lance Armstrong at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (QQ+il)

246
Christopher Taylor to the Barrel please

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (hMwEB)

247 And I am still waiting for how these people think a gun ban would work. As I have posted before, there are likely hundreds of thousands of guns in my county alone and on weekends I can hear my neighbors doing what I do - 50 to 100 rounds a week across multiple platforms just to stay sharp.

Posted by: rammajamma at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (oAlzZ)

248 Someone get me some Worcestershire sauce, I think Chris might be a bit stringy.

Posted by: The Barrel at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (ycWCI)

249 Over in England, where acid attacks are now almost a daily occurrence, they're planning on banning acids.

Last I read they were doing a half-assed "you'll be in trouble if you're caught with acid and you're under 18" law.

It's not like they can restrict the supply. Crack open any car battery and you've got enough for your evening's activities.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (jhqr1)

250
Link to the numbers?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (72PAC)

There's not any one link that I can find with the numbers (on purpose) but if you google "FBI crime statistics +murder +gun" you should find several FBI tables from 2016 that give you a good idea of what the numbers are.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (wmaTe)

251 I'm pretty sure Matthew Dowd has caught McCain's brain cancer. Only explanation for some of the shit he tweets out.

Posted by: Cheryl Tunt at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (SkuXa)

252 239 alright, who's missing a ball?
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:49 PM (h/uSM)

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all accounted for

Posted by: Michelle Obama at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (h/uSM)

253 When we got past Sandy Hook (horrific killing of children) without stupid gun laws getting passed I considered that a good indicator for the future.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (3myMJ)

254 Not as rare as I'd like to think.

Posted by: Charles Sumner, sporting a rockin' headache at November 06, 2017 02:49 PM (wmaTe)

I was wondering if someone would bring that up.

My favorite part of the whole incident is the hundreds of canes sent to replace the one broken on Sumner's head. Very, very American.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (Bl5Zt)

255 ok, so maybe Boot et al didn't grow up using guns and would not be skilled at shooting Kelley like that heroic plumber.
BUUUUT I doubt any of them would have had the guts to drive the heroic plumber in a chase after Kelly. More likely they would have shiite in their pants.

Posted by: avi at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (jBXZd)

256 odd, usually browser automatically fixes italics

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (39g3+)

257 I got suspended for that.

Posted by: Yuli Gurriel at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (U0qT9)

258 Chris Taylor, report to the Barrel.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (oPNmq)

259 What policy stops evil?

A gun and bullet

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (5y11N)

260 If you haven't had to replace a barrel it's like Do you even shoot, Brah?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 02:37 PM (QQ+il)

Bingo! And the answer to your Federal crime question is yes. 18 USC 351. Section G is particularly interesting.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (O9qtX)

261 Link to the numbers?

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (72PAC)
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I quoted bonhomme in that comment, and so I think you have to ask him.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (LISuA)

262 When did tru-cons become anti faith? I'm not aware of any Christian tenet saying all we do is pray. My actions might, after all, be the answer to somebody else's prayer.
I think Oliver Cromwell said something to the effect of Praise God but keep your powder dry.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (nBr1j)

263 >>odd, usually browser automatically fixes italics

You think that's odd, wait until you get a load of what's in that barrel!

Posted by: garrett at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (U0qT9)

264 235
I'm just worried about what's going to become of Rand Paul's lawn.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (h/uSM)

We secretly replaced his overseed with dandelion seed. Let's see if he notices.

Posted by: Committee of the Concerned Consevatives at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (tbOMB)

265 You know, last time I was in the barrel there was an easy chair. Someone seems to have tried to scavenge it and build a ladder but it only reaches half way up

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (39g3+)

266 It's not like they can restrict the supply. Crack open any car battery and you've got enough for your evening's activities.

***

Clearly electric cars must be banned next.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (GEpFD)

267 232 That this Wil Wheaton person is actually considered a "celebrity" is a sad commentary on modern day America.

***

Well, at least he's famous for actually, you know, doing something. Unlike, say, the entire misbegotten Karsdashian brood.
Posted by: CLINT FLICKER

Your being unfair to the celebrity sex tape industry. Thats hard work!

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (V8BSz)

268 Over in England, where acid attacks are now almost a daily occurrence, they're planning on banning acids.

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Start with the Aminos

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (h/uSM)

269 50 to 100 rounds a week across multiple platforms just to stay sharp.

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*Spock Eyebrow*

Fascinating. That barely registers as a life form.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (8XRCm)

270 Murder may already be illegal, but gun grabbing has nothing to do with law or Justice. They want to confiscate so they can control. Rational argument makes no difference to these people, so there's little point in even trying.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (htCbO)

271 It's not like they can restrict the supply. Crack open any car battery and you've got enough for your evening's activities.
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We could ban cars! Not for me or my friends of course but for the peasants. And think of the global waarming implications as well!

Posted by: Prince Charles at November 06, 2017 02:55 PM (SkuXa)

272 Leftist policy in a nutshell:

--You can't stop people from aborting their babies. Coat hangers, back alleys, underground medical clinics -- it'll happen one way or another. Making it illegal doesn't stop it from happening -- it just drives it underground and endangers those who get them. They only humane solution: Make it legal.

-- You can't stop people from taking recreational drugs. The demand for them is too strong. People can grow their own pot, make their own meth, con opioids out of doctors. Impossible to control. Trying to classify drugs as illegal only creates a violent drug culture. The only sane solution: Legalize all drugs.

-- Guns can totally be banned! Just ban them! Once they're banned, they will cease to exist and disappear from society!! It will totally work!!!!!

Posted by: zombie at November 06, 2017 02:55 PM (42M22)

273 You know, last time I was in the barrel there was an easy chair.

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Yes yes. But lay face down in it.

Posted by: The Barrel at November 06, 2017 02:55 PM (8XRCm)

274 And I am still waiting for how these people think a gun ban would work. As I have posted before, there are likely hundreds of thousands of guns in my county alone and on weekends I can hear my neighbors doing what I do - 50 to 100 rounds a week across multiple platforms just to stay sharp.

I like to tell them to google "zip gun" and then point out a simple zip gun can be made with $15 in plumbing parts. You can't legislate that away.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 06, 2017 02:55 PM (jhqr1)

275 Wil Wheaton does Celebrity board or card games and the idiot can't even follow the rules for a game made for 8 year olds.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 06, 2017 02:55 PM (dKiJG)

276 When did tru-cons become anti faith? I'm not aware of any Christian tenet saying all we do is pray.

Yeah this is an interesting twist. I get the anger and gut wrenching horror at yet another awful shooting, but they're lashing out in all the wrong directions.

Culture has to change. Not laws, but culture. That cannot be legislated. It requires discipline and an abandonment of the "anything that makes me happy is good" attitude.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:55 PM (39g3+)

277 >Where is the investigation of antifa before they manage to kill another political leader?

Who was the first?
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (EWlfz)

Have you seen the profiles of political assassins? Almost all Antifa. Yes I know , you were talking about the last few years . Antifa has been around for a century.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 06, 2017 02:56 PM (tL/BP)

278 From what I have read and heard, "celebs" at cons are pretty much neck deep in panties, which is partly why they go.

On a related side note, Mr. MWR and his friends regularly go to the Anime Boston convention. I tease him that he'd better not let any of the cosplay anime chicks get him drunk and take him back to their room.

In all seriousness he looks at me with grim eyes and says, "MWR, every cosplay girl I've ever met has been crazy as a sh*thouse rat on acid and smells about as bad. Trust me - I'm good."

Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at November 06, 2017 02:56 PM (rP4OC)

279 Meanwhile, The Saudis and Iranians are about to start a shooting war.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 06, 2017 02:56 PM (5y11N)

280 Never give up. Never give up anything you believe in. I believe in John Moses Browning.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at November 06, 2017 02:56 PM (Z7U63)

281 265 You know, last time I was in the barrel there was an easy chair. Someone seems to have tried to scavenge it and build a ladder but it only reaches half way up
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (39g3+)

---

Don't try climbing up the shelves.

Ace's work...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:56 PM (h/uSM)

282 Coming from an Army family Ace (Father was US Army Major in Vietnam, CO of a MASH unit) - I believe I spotted the error in your thinking. You used "Naval War College Teacher" and "expert" all in the same sentence.

Posted by: Publius Redux at November 06, 2017 02:56 PM (Fb9aZ)

283 I got suspended for that.
Posted by: Yuli Gurriel

Italic I's are raycisss

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:56 PM (39g3+)

284 Chair in the Barrel?

Psst... that wasn't a chair.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 06, 2017 02:56 PM (3dqqG)

285 That this Wil Wheaton person is actually considered a "celebrity" is a sad commentary on modern day America.

***

Indeed. I went to New York last weekend to see a newly discovered painting by Da Vinci. There was a line to get in the gallery. A month before I went to New York to go to the New York Comic Con. The line there was several blocks long.

Posted by: josephistan at November 06, 2017 02:57 PM (7HtZB)

286 That's not an easy chair.

It is the piled up bones of those who weren't hardy enough to survive the Barrel.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 06, 2017 02:57 PM (ul9CR)

287 Why... they're shooting. Practicing. Getting comfortable with a gun. Turning shooting into muscle memory (and thus hyper-fast and automatic as far as brain function -- very practiced actions result in a neuron pathway that's sheathed by myelin, turning that action into a reflex that bypasses the very slow mental processes of deliberate conscious thought).

ace, I love you like a....well, whatever. But don't do neurophysiology on me. All mental processes use myelin sheathed neuronal pathways....

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 06, 2017 02:57 PM (CPk08)

288 -- Guns can totally be banned! Just ban them! Once they're banned, they will cease to exist and disappear from society!! It will totally work!!!!!
Posted by: zombie at November 06, 2017 02:55 PM (42M22)

No one ever said humans were particularly consistent.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 02:57 PM (ycWCI)

289 Well, at least he's famous for actually, you know, doing something. Unlike, say, the entire misbegotten Karsdashian brood.
Posted by: CLINT FLICKER

Your being unfair to the celebrity sex tape industry. Thats hard work!
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (V8BSz)

---

doing someone vs. doing something

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:57 PM (h/uSM)

290 Was anyone else impressed that Rand Paul mows his own lawn?

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 02:35 PM (hZ+us)

========

Ay caramba! That is appalling. He can afford to hire a lawn service for that.

Posted by: ¡Jeb! at November 06, 2017 02:57 PM (/qEW2)

291 sock b gone

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 02:57 PM (8XRCm)

292 Ace: "But in the other area -- aim, discipline, comfort with the weapon -- the citizen has the edge."

When I occasion to watch videos of armed robberies from security cameras, almost inevitably the proactive, armed clerk or the armed bystander give the criminal all kinds of grief. The criminal fires wildly and panicked with shots and barrels flying all sorts of directions. Those who have been trained yet have never (or rarely) experienced actual armed assault methodically draw and fire on target with extreme, admirable control. And they often advance on the target even while ducking.

Maybe its just the videos I've seen, but the trained seemed to have an enormous performance edge even after surprise. I'm almost always in awe of how well they actually do. That is not easy. And that is the reward for lawful, determined practice.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 06, 2017 02:57 PM (H8S+R)

293 I like to tell them to google "zip gun" and then point out a simple zip gun can be made with $15 in plumbing parts. You can't legislate that away.

At some point they will try to control ammo.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (QQ+il)

294 Meanwhile, The Saudis and Iranians are about to start a shooting war.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 06, 2017 02:56 PM (5y11N)

Good. Maybe they will both lose.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (oPNmq)

295
Am I drunk?

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER
__________________

Heh....

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (qwWmT)

296 What happens if a trained defender gets even one decent shot in at his face?

Mike Tyson sez you need to change your plan.

Posted by: Roy at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (7n4KQ)

297 281
265 You know, last time I was in the barrel there was an easy chair.
Someone seems to have tried to scavenge it and build a ladder but it
only reaches half way up

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (39g3+)

---

Don't try climbing up the shelves.

Ace's work...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:56 PM (h/uSM)
* * *
I recommend using the bones of Bill Wynn to fashion a rudimentary ladder . . that's how I go out last time I was summarily banished there.

Posted by: Publius Redux at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (Fb9aZ)

298
If we ban bookkeeping we can stop accounting fraud.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Dash for the Politcal Lifeboats in Sav-Ur-Self Gear by the Outrage Outlet! at November 06, 2017 02:22 PM (hLRSq)

We can stop a lot of public school teacher seduction of teens by banning public schools and having a voucher system.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (ajiE5)

299 Max Boot's Bio:
"Max Boot has advised military commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan, and his books have been assigned reading by the military services. Max Boot was a senior foreign policy adviser to John McCain in 2007-2008, a defense policy adviser to Mitt Romney in 2011-2012, and a foreign policy adviser to Marco Rubio in 2015-2016."

Seems to be attracted to losers.

Posted by: DaveD at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (P5fqQ)

300 No one ever said humans were particularly consistent.

***

Yeah, but the collectivist ones are especially bad.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (GEpFD)

301 273 You know, last time I was in the barrel there was an easy chair.

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at least it wasn't an ottoman

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (h/uSM)

302 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (wmaTe)

Thanks!

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (72PAC)

303 Ace, someone is copying your tweets with the #antichristianbacklash tag. FYI.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (yL25O)

304 Whoever put these shelves in the barrel just nailed straight into the drywall. Now there's broken shelving and old copies of Hillary Clinton's books all over the floor. And books by some guy named Rostenkowski.

Which is good, because the books aren't as sticky as the floor.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (39g3+)

305 I think Wil is just angry because he never got any of that fine Spacey penis.

Posted by: wth at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (HgMAr)

306 >>The Saudis and Iranians are about to start a shooting war.

Where do we send the munitions?

Posted by: garrett at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (U0qT9)

307 I can attest to the "make the attacker have to defend himself" thing. I got attacked walking from my car one night. At the time I was 5'6" and weight 117 soaking wet. Guy was about 6'3", 250 pounds, easy. He picked me up by the throat with one hand and threw me one the ground. When I went batshit crazy and started trying to claw his eyes out every time he leaned over me, screaming my head off, kicking his ankles as hard as he could, the situation changed. I wasn't fainting or begging or going defensive. I was ATTACKING. Badly, to be sure. Wildly and without a lot of coordination. But it became more trouble (and screaming) than it was worth and he ran away. I realized he could have a gun or a knife and realized at the same time I didn't care. I was going to kill him if I could. If he shot or stabbed me I didn't care. That makes a HUGE difference in that kind of situation.

Posted by: biblio at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (6FY0P)

308 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (39g3+)

* * *

Oh and do NOT eat the sushi in the fridge . . just sayin'

Posted by: Publius Redux at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (Fb9aZ)

309 -- Guns can totally be banned! Just ban them! Once they're banned, they will cease to exist and disappear from society!! It will totally work!!!!!
Posted by: zombie at November 06, 2017 02:55 PM (42M22)

You can add,

Praying away the gay should be illegal child abuse.
They are born that way.

Rape/harass a woman, cheat on your wife, I'm an addict and am going to rehab.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (Ri/rl)

310 Finally... company at last!

Posted by: The bones of Bill Wynn at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (GEpFD)

311 As a non gun owner I feel confident in saying I would like a good person with a gun around when there's also a bad person with a gun around.
I think that's obvious.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (nBr1j)

312 293. And now we're back to longbow vs crossbow.

Posted by: Apple Fritters While Rome Burns at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (fA1SL)

313 Hmm, so Great White Scotsman has a personal tie-in to Nichols. He's not the only one here to have crossed his path, in some way, in the past. Had to laugh the first time I saw ace citing Nichols on something (might have even been a straight substantive story about a big topic, not about this absurd bigotry and arrogance Nichols is showcasing lately).

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (QDnY+)

314 265
You know, last time I was in the barrel there was an easy chair.
Someone seems to have tried to scavenge it and build a ladder but it
only reaches half way up

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:54 PM (39g3+)

If you italicize it, you might be able to make it reach a little higher.

Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (rP4OC)

315 >>> When did tru-cons become anti faith? I'm not aware of any Christian tenet saying all we do is pray. My actions might, after all, be the answer to somebody else's prayer.

this is a statement against my own interest but an oddly high percentage of pundits representing a largely-religious party are atheists, or even actively hostile to religion.

I'm not saying there should be a religious test, certainly not. But I do see this as representative of the general schism in what's left of the movement, where we have a dominant "thought leader"/political/donor class which is in most significant ways opposed to the desires of the voter base.

Angelo Codevilla calls this schism between the Country and the Courtier factions.

Posted by: ace at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (8rNrN)

316 Well, at least he's famous for actually, you know, doing something. Unlike, say, the entire misbegotten Karsdashian brood.

I think they exist so that the entire NBA will have somebody to bang in LA.

Posted by: tu3031 at November 06, 2017 03:00 PM (O5Q3r)

317 237
"Even Tommy boy doesn't come close to "Party before Country" Bush 2004 election strategist Matthew J. Dowd."

Agreed. Nichols used to post some interesting (conservative)
things, but his instinct to be a smug a-hole got the better of him.
Dowd is a preachy, sanctimonious leftist anymore.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2017 02:50 PM (OD2ni)

Nichols can really bring it with the smug a-hole attitude. The density of the smuggery aholery in that tweet has a gravity field.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 06, 2017 03:00 PM (ymnmz)

318 Never give up. Never give up anything you believe in. I believe in John Moses Browning.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam

Me
Church of John Moses Browning
Col Samuel Colt sect

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:00 PM (XWb4y)

319 305 I think Wil is just angry because he never got any of that fine Spacey penis.
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (HgMAr)

I'd bet Spacey would NOT be going where no man has gone before.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 03:00 PM (nBr1j)

320 ace, I love you like a....well, whatever. But don't do neurophysiology on me. All mental processes use myelin sheathed neuronal pathways....

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 06, 2017 02:57 PM (CPk0

i have to use myelin sheathed condoms of they just burn up.

Posted by: The Paolo at November 06, 2017 03:00 PM (VezBU)

321 >>>Have you seen the profiles of political assassins? Almost all Antifa. Yes I know , you were talking about the last few years . Antifa has been around for a century.

So who was the first? And you can demonstrate direct lineage to Antifa in US?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus at November 06, 2017 03:00 PM (EWlfz)

322 >> I was ATTACKING. Badly, to be sure. Wildly and without a lot of coordination.

That's what Ace looks like when he dances.

Posted by: garrett at November 06, 2017 03:00 PM (U0qT9)

323 So what was that about a missile from Yemen that the Saudis shot down?

And these 'experts' still insist missile defense won't work.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 06, 2017 03:00 PM (3dqqG)

324 >>> Indeed. I went to New York last weekend to see a newly discovered painting by Da Vinci.

Oh my Josephistan!! Marvelous. Is it still on view?

Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (hvf9s)

325 >>I'm pretty sure Matthew Dowd has caught McCain's brain cancer. Only explanation for some of the shit he tweets out.

Thought I read he was or is dating Maria Shriver?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (W+vEI)

326 Oh and do NOT eat the sushi in the fridge . . just sayin'

Wait, there's a fridge? Maybe I can get inside and ride it out, Indiana Jones style

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (39g3+)

327 The Saudis and Iranians are about to start a shooting war.

***

And never has "mutually assured destruction" sounded more attractive.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (GEpFD)

328 This church shooting and the LV shooting may have made 2017 the first year more people killed with a rifle than with a blunt object/ Hammer . Previously the figures were pretty constant with about 200 more killed with a blunt object / Hammer each year.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (tL/BP)

329 As foolish as the anti-gun nuts sound, my issue is really more personal than that.

These clowns tell me that anyone who has been hospitalized for mental health issues should never be allowed to own a gun. Having been hospitalized for depression (when I tried to off myself, there were no guns involved), I am apparently not allowed to own a weapon.

So, on top of dealing with mental health issues (which are firmly under control, thank you), I am now an open target for attack and/or rape.

Does that make even the slightest bit of sense? Or does it only matter if the person in question is the mom/sister/daughter of the gun control nut?

Hypocritical assholes, the lot of them.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (NXsWM)

330 "294 Meanwhile, The Saudis and Iranians are about to start a shooting war.

Good. Maybe they will both lose.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon"

Thomas Wictor has been tweeting about SA for a long time and a lot of what he predicts has come to fruition. He is convinced that SA is legitimately reforming itself and is having a positive influence on the Middle East.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (OD2ni)

331
Oh and do NOT eat the sushi in the fridge . . just sayin'
Posted by: Publius Redux at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (Fb9aZ)

Also, that egg salad sandwich has a nasty air.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (ycWCI)

332 253 When we got past Sandy Hook (horrific killing of children) without stupid gun laws getting passed I considered that a good indicator for the future.
-------------------
My takeaway from Sandy Hook post re-election that Obama was a lame duck. I think history will recognize this as a turning point.

Posted by: Pudding Head at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (YV+SU)

333 A. I was impressed that Rand mows his own lawn.

II. I had forgotten that he was there at the ball park when Hodgkinson tried to go on the killing spree.

Trois. Five broken ribs, some of them displaced, is not a minor injury. The displaced ones are the ones that pierce your lung and kill you.

As Scott Adams noted, if people had tried to kill me twice in a year, I would never go out of my house again. As opposed, you know, to now when I only go out to work and get food. That's different. Because reasons.

Posted by: alexthechick - Your new AG. Now the DOJ has grry hands. at November 06, 2017 03:02 PM (mf5HN)

334 Alcoholic Asshole Shut In: "All mental processes use myelin sheathed neuronal pathways..."

Still, the criminal class' neuronal pathways are often optimized for drug stimulation, so we have that going for us.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 06, 2017 03:02 PM (H8S+R)

335 If you italicize it, you might be able to make it reach a little higher.

The Supreme Court did rule that The Slants were legal.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 03:02 PM (39g3+)

336
I think Wil is just angry because he never got any of that fine Spacey penis.

Posted by: wth
___________________

Yo,, my insiders tell me that he not only got some, he still partakes to this very day. Shhhhh,, don't tell anyone.....

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 06, 2017 03:02 PM (qwWmT)

337 Posted by: biblio at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (6FY0P)

I was attacked leaving work when I was 19. I was attacked from behind. The guy was trying to drag me away, he had me in a headlock. I punched him in the face about 20 times and he dropped me. I was lucky, I wish I'd had a gun and shot him in the head.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 06, 2017 03:02 PM (Ri/rl)

338 305
I think Wil is just angry because he never got any of that fine Spacey penis.

Posted by: wth at November 06, 2017 02:58 PM (HgMAr)

Are you sure?

Posted by: Captain Picard at November 06, 2017 03:02 PM (ymnmz)

339 Nothing like a little bit of Myelin spread on a Triscuit.

Posted by: garrett at November 06, 2017 03:02 PM (U0qT9)

340 316 Well, at least he's famous for actually, you know, doing something. Unlike, say, the entire misbegotten Karsdashian brood.

I think they exist so that the entire NBA will have somebody to bang in LA.
Posted by: tu3031 at November 06, 2017 03:00 PM (O5Q3r0

Maybe for Rob, but who in their right mind would bangKris?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 06, 2017 03:02 PM (CPk08)

341 The Saudis and Iranians are about to start a shooting war.

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too bad they don't share a border

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 06, 2017 03:02 PM (h/uSM)

342 327 The Saudis and Iranians are about to start a shooting war.

***

And never has "mutually assured destruction" sounded more attractive.
Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (GEpFD)

Sort of like when the Vikings play Dallas. Can't they both lose?

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 06, 2017 03:02 PM (NXsWM)

343 The Supreme Court did rule that The Slants were legal.

***

Is that rayciss? Cause it seems totes rayciss.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:02 PM (GEpFD)

344 Also, that egg salad sandwich has a nasty air.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (ycWCI)

Worked for me.

Posted by: Phillip J. Fry at November 06, 2017 03:02 PM (72PAC)

345 Guns can totally be banned! Just ban them! Once they're banned, they will cease to exist and disappear from society!! It will totally work!!!!!
Posted by: zombie

Because it's worked so well with drugs.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:03 PM (XWb4y)

346 225
Also what is Frum yammering on about? What policy stops evil?

Placing philosopher kings like him in charge of the nation.

I agree. F' Plato.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 06, 2017 03:03 PM (hKi6n)

347 323 So what was that about a missile from Yemen that the Saudis shot down?

And these 'experts' still insist missile defense won't work.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 06, 2017 03:00 PM (3dqqG)

In heaven, Reagan smiles.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:03 PM (ycWCI)

348 "That's what Ace looks like when he dances.

Posted by: garrett at November 06, 2017 03:00 PM (U0qT9) "

That's not dancin', Sally.

Posted by: broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter at November 06, 2017 03:03 PM (oZ6kz)

349 So the Ninja Squirrel Assassins League is still lurking outside your door Empress?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 06, 2017 03:03 PM (3dqqG)

350
There's drywall in the barrel???

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (8XRCm)

351 Wasn't William McKinley killed by an Anarchist?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (QQ+il)

352 So what was that about a missile from Yemen that the Saudis shot down?

And these 'experts' still insist missile defense won't work.

***

BOO-YAH!

Posted by: Zombie Ronaldus Magnus at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (GEpFD)

353 238 I've come to the conclusion that there's no left in the US any longer. There is only would-be feudalists and people who just want to be left the hell alone. People who want to be in charge, maintaining their lifestyle comfortably with the rest of the nation subjugated to them, uneducated, servile, and obedient.

How could that guy settle for "whitelash" when "crackalanche" was just there for the taking?

See, now that would have cracked me the hell up. I would have laughed along with that one. Whitelash is just... dumb.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 02:51 PM (39g3+)

Robert Anson Heinlein agreed with you...more than 50 years ago:

Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (Bl5Zt)

354 So who was the first? And you can demonstrate direct lineage to Antifa in US?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus at November 06, 2017 03:00 PM (EWlfz)

You expect anarchists to keep meticulous records?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (oPNmq)

355 Short of whether we have an individual right to nuclear weapons, the issue is simple. It's my right as a matter of liberty.

Yes there will be casualties of liberty: drowning deaths, car accidents, smoking deaths, deaths from obesity. And, if you are pro abortion, there are millions of deaths from your "liberty" to abort your fetus.

We should never accept that the "gun control" debate (lecture) is to be argued on the basis of what "approach will save the most lives."

Yes its good to point out that most "gun deaths" are suicides, and long guns (including so called "assault weapons" ) are responsible for a minuscule portion of those "gun deaths" much less all homicides, but I will never accept the moar safest = best course premise.

Give me your uterus and I'll give you my guns.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (W/SyC)

356 The attack on Christians comes from a place of belief in the state as the highest power, whether they are conscious of it or not.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (NWiLs)

357 So, on top of dealing with mental health issues (which are firmly under control, thank you), I am now an open target for attack and/or rape.

I think a lot of people are totally unaware of how mental health issues work and how being hospitalized for them doesn't make you a raving lunatic or a mental wreck. Its mostly ignorance. I mean it sounds reasonable, that crazy people not have firearms, but the problem is that blanket is too wide.

I don't want mumbling joe the psychopathic schizophrenic who has a history of violence to get firearms. But Suzy Emo who was hospitalized due to clinical depression? That's another story.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (39g3+)

358 There's drywall in the barrel???

but the drywall is cursed!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (QQ+il)

359 "325 >>I'm pretty sure Matthew Dowd has caught McCain's brain cancer. Only explanation for some of the shit he tweets out.

Thought I read he was or is dating Maria Shriver?
Posted by: Lizzy"

That would explain Dowd's hard shift to the left. Kind of like Ben Domenech seems to be making Meghan McCain more conservative.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2017 03:05 PM (OD2ni)

360 331

Oh and do NOT eat the sushi in the fridge . . just sayin'

Posted by: Publius Redux at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (Fb9aZ)

Also, that egg salad sandwich has a nasty air.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (ycWCI)

Fun fact: the egg salad sandwich is the one that built the ladder out of the easy chair.

Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at November 06, 2017 03:05 PM (rP4OC)

361 Thomas Wictor has been tweeting about SA for a long time and a lot of what he predicts has come to fruition. He is convinced that SA is legitimately reforming itself and is having a positive influence on the Middle East.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (OD2ni)
----------------
We can only hope.

Posted by: WisRich at November 06, 2017 03:05 PM (G0vdT)

362 Wasn't William McKinley killed by an Anarchist?

I thought it was "disappointed office seeker"? Or was that Garfield?

Posted by: tu3031 at November 06, 2017 03:05 PM (O5Q3r)

363 350
There's drywall in the barrel???

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (8XRCm0

I'm still picking gyprock from under my fingernails.

I HOPE that white stuff is gyprock.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 06, 2017 03:05 PM (CPk08)

364 Ace, if you ever restart your podcast series Angelo Codevilla is one guest I hope to hear you interview.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 06, 2017 03:05 PM (LISuA)

365 How concerned are you?

Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front, Meeting Chapter at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (2X7pN)

366
Thomas Wictor has been tweeting about SA for a long time and a lot of what he predicts has come to fruition. He is convinced that SA is legitimately reforming itself and is having a positive influence on the Middle East.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (OD2ni)

That's my perception, too. When they arranged to have 55 of the 57 members of the OIC show up to hear Trump speak I was pretty sure that was a watershed event. Especially when the press ignored it. I think they've also committed to toning down the more problematic areas of Islam.

Sorry, edge to the Sauds. Iran can fvck itself. With a big pile of money. Thanks 0bama.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (ajiE5)

367 351 Wasn't William McKinley killed by an Anarchist?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (QQ+il)

Think Garfield as well (although most of the credit has to go to the doctors there.)

Arch Duke Ferdinand.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (ycWCI)

368 We should never accept that the "gun control" debate (lecture) is to be argued on the basis of what "approach will save the most lives."

Doing away with abortion.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (XWb4y)

369 There are anarchists and then there is Gavril Pricip.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (3dqqG)

370 Like us, the Saudis have been in a shooting war with Iran for a long time. And like us, it's mostly been getting shot at, and not shooting back.

And it's not in our interest that the Saudis get beat up by Iran. Any more than it would have been good for us, or the world, if Stalingrad had gone the other way. Though this is heresy to many, I recognize.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (QDnY+)

371 The vast majority of "evil" (i.e. dead people) during the last century was perpetrated by governments against disarmed populations. That is what civilian gun ownership protects against, with the resultant disparity in murdered populations being 2 to 3 orders of magnitude.

Posted by: West at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (KQ/Al)

372 Wasn't McKinley killed by an ash tray that Hillz threw so hard it went back into time?

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 03:07 PM (nBr1j)

373 333 A. I was impressed that Rand mows his own lawn.

I wonder what percentage of Senators or congressmen mow their own lawn.
I could see Tulsi doing it in a bikini

Posted by: avi at November 06, 2017 03:07 PM (jBXZd)

374 Wasn't William McKinley killed by an Anarchist?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (QQ+il)

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Yes. 1901. Some dude whose last name begins with a G and has no vowels in it.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 03:07 PM (8XRCm)

375 I'm still picking gyprock from under my fingernails.

I HOPE that white stuff is gyprock.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut

Um, did it come off of the ficus?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:07 PM (XWb4y)

376 And it's not in our interest that the Saudis get beat up by Iran. Any more than it would have been good for us, or the world, if Stalingrad had gone the other way. Though this is heresy to many, I recognize.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (QDnY+)

I do not think the Saudis will get very badly beaten up by Iran. But it would be a nasty war if it came to that.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 06, 2017 03:07 PM (CPk08)

377 Angelo Codevilla calls this schism between the Country and the Courtier factions.
Posted by: ace at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (8rNrN)

Well, it's hard to remain religious when you are up to your asshole in corruption, partaking like a fallen Jesus after 40 days in the desert.

I expect that Wash D.C. would pretty much flush any religion right out of your system after a while, else you would burst into flames from the exposure.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 06, 2017 03:08 PM (NXsWM)

378 370 Like us, the Saudis have been in a shooting war with Iran for a long time. And like us, it's mostly been getting shot at, and not shooting back.

And it's not in our interest that the Saudis get beat up by Iran. Any more than it would have been good for us, or the world, if Stalingrad had gone the other way. Though this is heresy to many, I recognize.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (QDnY+)

By the same token, the Saudi's have been playing both sides of the fence for a very long time. Perhaps the current situation might teach them the valuable idea of forethought.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:08 PM (ycWCI)

379 CNN 8/ 14 2017.. antifa originated in Europe
The exact origins of the group are unknown, but Antifa can be traced to Nazi Germany and Anti-Fascist Action, a militant group founded in the 1980s in the United Kingdom

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 03:08 PM (Zmz55)

380 And Brooks died haunted by the knowledge he would be remembered for that beating, and nothing else.

Posted by: Thanatopsis at November 06, 2017 03:08 PM (xY3MI)

381 There's drywall in the barrel???

I think someone tried to renovate the place. There are dozens of Fixer Upper and Flip or Flop DVDs scattered on the floor with old books.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 03:08 PM (39g3+)

382 What a bunch of putzes.

Love to sit down with them to discuss all these other democracies where it works. Let's talk about how free speech is limited there too. I guess we do that next...b/c other democracies.

First, WE ARE NOT OTHER COUNTRIES..

In Australia, a Synagogue could not build a temple b/c it might make Moslems violent. Should we be like them too, so we don't have Moslem violence? No churches or anything else?

I am so sick of this "other countries" crap. It's a specious argument.

Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:08 PM (sLvAU)

383 377 Angelo Codevilla calls this schism between the Country and the Courtier factions.
Posted by: ace at November 06, 2017 02:59 PM (8rNrN)

Well, it's hard to remain religious when you are up to your asshole in corruption, partaking like a fallen Jesus after 40 days in the desert.

I expect that Wash D.C. would pretty much flush any religion right out of your system after a while, else you would burst into flames from the exposure.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 06, 2017 03:08 PM (NXsWM)

Good point.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 03:09 PM (nBr1j)

384 364 Ace, if you ever restart your podcast series Angelo Codevilla is one guest I hope to hear you interview.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 06, 2017 03:05 PM (LISuA)

Doubtful - he didn't like doing it in the first place, and all the Cobs that pestered him into it left the blog last year over Trump.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 06, 2017 03:09 PM (Bl5Zt)

385 371 The vast majority of "evil" (i.e. dead people) during the last century was perpetrated by governments against disarmed populations. That is what civilian gun ownership protects against, with the resultant disparity in murdered populations being 2 to 3 orders of magnitude.
Posted by: West at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (KQ/Al)

This. Absolutely this. It is the first thing despotic regimes try to do.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:09 PM (ycWCI)

386 How about something a little lighter.

A gang war captured on video.

https://youtu.be/pqDfcWnoMwk

I believe its between the Moos and the Clucks.

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 06, 2017 03:09 PM (z/Ubi)

387 http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/what-is-antifa-trnd/index.html

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 03:09 PM (Zmz55)

388 >>>>>Wasn't William McKinley killed by an Anarchist?

I thought it was "disappointed office seeker"? Or was that Garfield?
.
.
.Yes he was.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 06, 2017 03:09 PM (+Dllb)

389 Unlike, say, the entire misbegotten Karsdashian brood.
.............

hey! You'll never meet a more normal family!

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (HgMAr)

390 I don't want mumbling joe the psychopathic schizophrenic who has a history of violence to get firearms. But Suzy Emo who was hospitalized due to clinical depression? That's another story.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (39g3+)

I agree. I wish we could involuntarily lock up the untreated crazies.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (Ri/rl)

391 First, WE ARE NOT OTHER COUNTRIES..

***

Patience. We're working on that.

Posted by: The globalists in both major parties at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (GEpFD)

392 368 We should never accept that the "gun control" debate (lecture) is to be argued on the basis of what "approach will save the most lives."

Doing away with abortion.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (XWb4y)

To be fair, those unborn babies are just unpersons, kinda like those crazy folks clinging to their guns and Bibles.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (NXsWM)

393 246
Christopher Taylor to the Barrel please

Let this be a valuable lesson to any newcoming lurkers.

Posted by: AoS Academy of Wit, Grace and Decorum at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (326rv)

394 The shelving is also cursed.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (QQ+il)

395 i doubt that any of the "concerned " ever pray
especially the uber unFrum David Frum

Posted by: avi at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (jBXZd)

396 Wasn't William McKinley killed by an Anarchist?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:04 PM (QQ+il)

Yes. 1901. Some dude whose last name begins with a G and has no vowels in it.

Leon Czolgosc. Arrested, tried, convicted, executed within seven weeks.

Posted by: tu3031 at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (O5Q3r)

397 I think someone tried to renovate the place. There are dozens of Fixer Upper and Flip or Flop DVDs scattered on the floor with old books.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 03:08 PM (39g3+)

----

Hey hey HEY....

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (8XRCm)

398 Um, did it come off of the ficus?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:07 PM (XWb4y)

*Blanches*

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (CPk08)

399 A little side note: Apparently there were many people at the recent Colorado Walmart shooting who had conceal carry weapons and they brought them out for defense. In fact, there were so many, authorities had a difficult time reviewing surveillance tapes to figure out who was the real perp. I don't know if any of the conceal carriers actually used their weapons.

Posted by: todd at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (BdZSC)

400 Gun control is to keep the negroes from being armed. If you disagree why did ronald reagan sign the first major gun control law in california?

Posted by: gunman at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (1Zn6K)

401 i figured cnn would be acceptable to those not quit in the tribe

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (Zmz55)

402 Wasn't William McKinley killed by an Anarchist?

Yeah, people keep talking about the 1970s but really we're back a century ago with faux "anarchist" communists using violence to try to overthrow the government.

So far we're not seeing those bowling ball/candle bombs, at least.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 03:11 PM (39g3+)

403 >>>>>There's drywall in the barrel???

I think someone tried to renovate the place. There are dozens of
Fixer Upper and Flip or Flop DVDs scattered on the floor with old books.
.
.
.They are on floor because Ace was the one tasked with installing the shelves.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 06, 2017 03:11 PM (+Dllb)

404 369 There are anarchists and then there is Gavril Pricip.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (3dqqG)

============

Princip was a Serbian Nationalist, not an anarchist, IIRC.

Posted by: Jackal at November 06, 2017 03:11 PM (vG2CT)

405 >>>You expect anarchists to keep meticulous records?

I do not, but it seems that some want to project their boogeyman du jour as an overlay to reinterpret everything else.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus at November 06, 2017 03:11 PM (EWlfz)

406 Arrested, tried, convicted, executed within seven weeks.

***

Man.

Justice was served AF back in those days.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:11 PM (GEpFD)

407 403 >>>>>There's drywall in the barrel???

I think someone tried to renovate the place. There are dozens of
Fixer Upper and Flip or Flop DVDs scattered on the floor with old books.
.
.
.They are on floor because Ace was the one tasked with installing the shelves.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 06, 2017 03:11 PM (+Dllb)

Does it have carpet or hardwood?

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 03:12 PM (nBr1j)

408 248 Someone get me some Worcestershire sauce, I think Chris might be a bit stringy.

better make certain he doesn't have pinkeye first.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 06, 2017 03:12 PM (sGtp+)

409 393 246
Christopher Taylor to the Barrel please

Let this be a valuable lesson to any newcoming lurkers.
Posted by: AoS Academy of Wit, Grace and Decorum at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (326rv)

The Barrel is not so bad. This is still a first world country. The couch may be covered in some sort of residue- but it is still a couch! The big screen might be an old CRT, but it is still a TV!

It is actually better than some parts of LA.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:12 PM (ycWCI)

410 I was impressed that Rand mows his own lawn.

I was too. Part of the problem we have with our Congress is they live like elites, not like the majority of Americans they serve. Love to know how many actually do any household chores. They shouldn't be getting graft from Organizations that allow them to pay for all this.

Just like they shouldn't have an Obamacare exception.

Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:12 PM (sLvAU)

411 Princip was a Serbian Nationalist, not an anarchist, IIRC.
Posted by: Jackal at November 06, 2017 03:11 PM (vG2CT)

He was an anarcho-nationalist.

Hey, that may be retarded, but tere are anarchocommunists, and nobody bats an eyelid.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 06, 2017 03:12 PM (CPk08)

412 Well McCain says he will vote against the tax bill and it is DOA in the senate.
*I'm not going to type what I really want to say*

Posted by: IC at November 06, 2017 03:12 PM (a0IVu)

413 http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/what-is-antifa-trnd/index.html

........

Posted by: willow at November 06, 2017 03:13 PM (Zmz55)

414 Gun control is to keep the negroes from being armed.

***

I should goddamned hope so!

Posted by: Zombie Margaret Sanger at November 06, 2017 03:13 PM (GEpFD)

415 Any bill to disarm anyone with involvement in the mental health system should be sure to include gender dysphoria. Especially given their huge propensity to off themselves, they would doubtless contribute greatly to "gun deaths."

Tie them up in knots.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 06, 2017 03:13 PM (W/SyC)

416 Gun control is to keep the negroes from being armed.

It is known. It was a major tenet of the Democratic Jim Crow laws.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:13 PM (QQ+il)

417 Does that make even the slightest bit of sense? Or does it only matter if the person in question is the mom/sister/daughter of the gun control nut?

Hypocritical assholes, the lot of them.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (NXsWM)

No, it doesn't. And frankly, I think it's unfair.

Think about soldiers who come back from Iraq and get treated for PTSD.

We're now telling them they can't go hunting with their buddies or go squeeze off some rounds at the range, or they become instant felons?

On the one hand, the left says "destigmatize mental illness," on the other hand they say "anyone who has ever gone to a shrink is clearly too nuts to own a gun."

(nevermind that we don't say "anyone who has ever gone to a drink is clearly too nuts to drive a several ton projectile at 80 mph down the interstate")

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:13 PM (wmaTe)

418 Gun control is to keep the negroes from being armed. If you disagree why did ronald reagan sign the first major gun control law in california?

Posted by: gunman at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (1Zn6K)

Negroes? Please, we refer to them now as 'colored people' or 'the coloreds'. Please, enlighten yourself.

I need a drink.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton, Arms Racketeer, Uranium Peddler at November 06, 2017 03:13 PM (ajiE5)

419 .They are on floor because Ace was the one tasked with installing the shelves.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 06, 2017 03:11 PM (+Dllb)

Those are permanently STUCK to the floor because.....

ew.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 06, 2017 03:13 PM (NXsWM)

420 So the Ninja Squirrel Assassins League is still lurking outside your door Empress?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 06, 2017 03:03 PM (3dqqG)

Yes.

*glares and scowls at Outside*

Posted by: alexthechick - Your new AG. Now the DOJ has grry hands. at November 06, 2017 03:13 PM (mf5HN)

421 Is there anyone more deserving of a fist to the face than Max Boot?

Posted by: Rick in SK at November 06, 2017 03:13 PM (FZYNt)

422 The Man Who Was Thursday by G.K. Chesterton is a good satire about anarchism.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 03:14 PM (nBr1j)

423 402. Years of Lead - nice short doc on political violence in Europe in the '70's. Worth a watch:

https://youtu.be/hnwyv3RyJyc

Posted by: Apple Fritters While Rome Burns at November 06, 2017 03:14 PM (fA1SL)

424 Does it have carpet or hardwood?

I can't really tell under the layer of books, DVDs, and what looks to be old busty lesbian magazines. Its kind of spongy and sticky and best left unexcavated.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 03:14 PM (39g3+)

425 Help us Glioblastoma, you're out only hope.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:14 PM (QQ+il)

426 The Barrel is not so bad. This is still a first world country. The couch may be covered in some sort of residue- but it is still a couch! The big screen might be an old CRT, but it is still a TV!

About that....

Posted by: couch fucker at November 06, 2017 03:14 PM (326rv)

427 You expect anarchists to keep meticulous records?

I do not, but it seems that some want to project their boogeyman du jour as an overlay to reinterpret everything else.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus at November 06, 2017 03:11 PM (EWlfz)

You think Antifa is just a boogeyman?

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 06, 2017 03:14 PM (tL/BP)

428 and this may be controversial, but I don't have a problem letting felons who are off parole vote or own guns either.

Just because someone fucked up when they were 18, doesn't mean they should continue to be treated as a second class citizen for the rest of their life. If they've served their time and paid their debt, I think everyone deserves a second chance.

*(thats not to say that "no gun ownership for 10 years" can't be part of their parole)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:14 PM (wmaTe)

429 Conservative elitists really don't care how many guns white people have ;but they do care about armed negroes.

Posted by: gunman at November 06, 2017 03:14 PM (1Zn6K)

430
Ever notice that most of todays "Anarchists" would be among the very first to perish if actual anarchy ever came to be???

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 03:15 PM (8XRCm)

431 "All of these response in my TL are a reminder of why I'm glad I'm just another coastal elitist and don't live in Gun Culture 'Murica"

Tom needs to visit his low income eastern urban areas. You know get out of his car and walk the streets late at night. Talk to the locals he meets, etc. "Hi, my name is Tom and I super smart..."

Also - Each day my confidence in the combat readiness of our Navy takes a further hit.

Posted by: William Eaton at November 06, 2017 03:15 PM (MuTTO)

432 IC: "Well McCain says he will vote against the tax bill and it is DOA in the senate."

Tumor : McCain :: McCain : Senate

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 06, 2017 03:15 PM (H8S+R)

433 Princip was a Serbian Nationalist, not an anarchist, IIRC.
Posted by: Jackal at November 06, 2017 03:11 PM (vG2CT)

Think you are wrong there. The 'Black Hand' was one of those hard to figure out what the hell the believed kind of organizations. Socialism/Anarchy/hugs from father all rolled into one.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:15 PM (ycWCI)

434 428 and this may be controversial, but I don't have a problem letting felons who are off parole vote or own guns either.

Just because someone fucked up when they were 18, doesn't mean they should continue to be treated as a second class citizen for the rest of their life. If they've served their time and paid their debt, I think everyone deserves a second chance.

*(thats not to say that "no gun ownership for 10 years" can't be part of their parole)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:14 PM (wmaTe)

they're still serving their time while on parole

Posted by: avi at November 06, 2017 03:15 PM (jBXZd)

435 but they do care about armed negroes.

***

Well, sure. Have you seen the way those idiots hold their guns?

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:15 PM (GEpFD)

436 I hate this species of "well meaning asshole" that keeps popping out of the petri dish.

I doubt coercion of the populace is really on these peoples' minds, on the surface, and they really do think their policy preferences are morally right and will lead to a safer better world, but good gravy are they assholes about it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 06, 2017 03:15 PM (htCbO)

437 McStain, Corket and Collins have all said they are a No on tax cuts. Lovely.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 06, 2017 03:15 PM (uo2xS)

438 We can't enforce immigration laws because it would make poor, well-meaning persons of undocumentation afraid to report crimes to the police you see.
But we must disarm anyone ever diagnosed with depression, regardless of whether it would discourage people from getting help for themselves.
It's really quite simple.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 06, 2017 03:15 PM (W/SyC)

439 but they do care about armed negroes.
Posted by: gunman

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Michelle Fields at November 06, 2017 03:15 PM (FZYNt)

440 418 Gun control is to keep the negroes from being armed. If you disagree why did ronald reagan sign the first major gun control law in california?

Posted by: gunman at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (1Zn6K)

That's too recent. The first gun control laws were Jim Crow laws.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (Bl5Zt)

441 Negroes? Please, we refer to them now as 'colored people' or 'the coloreds'. Please, enlighten yourself.

I need a drink.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton, Arms Racketeer, Uranium Peddler at November 06, 2017 03:13 PM (ajiE5)

No, no, thats horribly racist. It's not "colored people," which is a grotesque racist term, it's "people of color," which is the preferred nomenclature.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (wmaTe)

442 Like Mike Tyson says, everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth.

Posted by: robert17 at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (19WHj)

443 "And it's not in our interest that the Saudis get beat up by Iran. Any more than it would have been good for us, or the world, if Stalingrad had gone the other way. Though this is heresy to many, I recognize.

Posted by: rhomboid"

And Irag seems to have woken up to Iran's game and is apparently seeking better relations with SA and the US. That is a good development (if true).

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (OD2ni)

444 Since I'm in the barrel already, I'm gonna tell a really awful joke.

So you saw the Kardashians image for the Dodgers, right? Posing in Dodgers uniforms and holding baseballs?

http://tinyurl.com/y77wo6sv

Some wag noted: those are the first white balls they've ever held.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (39g3+)

445 Average Joe in da house.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (QQ+il)

446 Do anarchists still carry big round bombs with fuses?

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (nBr1j)

447 Iraq!!

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (OD2ni)

448 Posted by: gunman

It's all about the snake handling actually.

Go collect your pineapple.

Posted by: AoS Welcoming Committee at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (326rv)

449 Yeah, people keep talking about the 1970s but really we're back a
century ago with faux "anarchist" communists using violence to try to
overthrow the government.
=====

Haymarket. Where did these people learn history. Chicago/Milwaukee was a hotbed back in the day.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (MIKMs)

450 An armed society is a polite society.

Posted by: Under Fire at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (mcI77)

451 That's too recent. The first gun control laws were Jim Crow laws.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (Bl5Zt)

I believe there were gun control laws in the pre-Jim Crow south during Reconstruction, but that was for different reasons.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (wmaTe)

452 Speaking of covering fire, and it's change it causes to the dynamics is pretty much on then same lines of allowing teachers and staff to conceal carry in public schools.

When a perp knows that defensive firearms are allowed inside his large zone, every potential target is also a potential source of defensive fire.

Instead of a free fire zone for the perp, it's a hostile environment.

No running freely down halls.
No simply walking into rooms.
No running blindly around corners.

And every second of delaying his progress is another second towards back-up arriving.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 06, 2017 03:17 PM (EyPfd)

453 No, no, thats horribly racist. It's not "colored people," which is a grotesque racist term, it's "people of color," which is the preferred nomenclature.

***

Berke Breathed pointed that one out decades ago, and libs still don't seem to get it.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:17 PM (GEpFD)

454 409 393 246
Christopher Taylor to the Barrel please

Let this be a valuable lesson to any newcoming lurkers.
Posted by: AoS Academy of Wit, Grace and Decorum at November 06, 2017 03:10 PM (326rv)

Oooo, I miss the good stuff. I read all those post numbers but it still didn't tell me what he did.

Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:17 PM (sLvAU)

455 Pretty sure the left is still teaching that wetting your pants in the safest form of defense.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 06, 2017 03:17 PM (1ISKN)

456 Haymarket. Where did these people learn history. Chicago/Milwaukee was a hotbed back in the day.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (MIKMs)

IIRC, the most bomby / shooty decade was the 1970s, followed closely by the 1930s.

Leftists in the 70s, anarchists (leftists) in the '30s.

We live in relatively peaceful times.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:17 PM (wmaTe)

457 @428
I actually agree with you. And, although I greatly love my wife and would never, ever countenance domestic abuse, a lifetime gun ban for anyone with any level of "domestic violence" is ham fisted government at its worst. Many of these charges are subjective, true "crimes of passion" and (though they can at the extreme end be horrific) are not all on the level of rape-rape.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 06, 2017 03:17 PM (W/SyC)

458 Average Joe in da house.

***

Are you saying that "gunman" sucks cocks by choice?

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (GEpFD)

459 I'm one of those once-a-week range guys. I'm also one of those 'been doing martial arts and amateur boxing most of my life' guys. And a combat infantry veteran. I have a carry license and carry everywhere I'm allowed.

Does any of that make me Billy Badass action hero guy? No, but it does make me a fairly high risk target for some dumbass junkie with a gun.

Should note I'm all about running away from bad situations if it's just me in trouble. Retreat is a valid strategy, and I'm not honor- or oath-bound to duke it out with idiots and maniacs.

Posted by: troyriser at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (my7fr)

460 and this may be controversial, but I don't have a problem letting felons who are off parole vote or own guns either.

Just because someone fucked up when they were 18, doesn't mean they should continue to be treated as a second class citizen for the rest of their life. If they've served their time and paid their debt, I think everyone deserves a second chance.

*(thats not to say that "no gun ownership for 10 years" can't be part of their parole)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:14 PM (wmaTe)

they're still serving their time while on parole
Posted by: avi

If you can't trust them with a gun, do not let them back on the street around my family.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (XWb4y)

461 Negroes? Please, we refer to them now as 'colored people' or 'the coloreds'. Please, enlighten yourself.

I prefer "People of Funk"

*cue Parliament*

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (39g3+)

462 >>>You think Antifa is just a boogeyman?

I think the threat they pose is ridiculously overstated. As evidenced by the hyperbole over the supposed beheadings.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (EWlfz)

463 One thing is for certain; these frauds will NEVER hold influence with the base again. On ANY issue, EVER again!

Posted by: WVinMN at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (WzYlo)

464 and this may be controversial, but I don't have a problem letting felons who are off parole vote or own guns either.

Just because someone fucked up when they were 18, doesn't mean they should continue to be treated as a second class citizen for the rest of their life. If they've served their time and paid their debt, I think everyone deserves a second chance.

*(thats not to say that "no gun ownership for 10 years" can't be part of their parole)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Nope. Murderers? Rapists? Sex offenders?

Hell no. They are done.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (326rv)

465 Oooo, I miss the good stuff. I read all those post numbers but it still didn't tell me what he did.
Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:17 PM (sLvAU)

Attack of the Italicans.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (ycWCI)

466 437 McStain, Corket and Collins have all said they are a No on tax cuts. Lovely.
Posted by: #neverskankles at November 06, 2017 03:15 PM (uo2xS)

Just wait until Sleeza Murky "I hate Trump and am pissing away any influence I have in government" gets a hold of it.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (NXsWM)

467 Actually Aetius the only two-sided playing the Saudis have done was external, and masterfully pulled off - being passionate anti-Israel stalwarts (well, by donations and rhetoric), while simultaneously entrusting their external security entirely to Israel's main post-'67 patron, us. Other Gulf states did exactly the same. And we of course we masterfully played our side of that. One of the best foreign policy performances (spanning many administrations) in history, if not the best.

And now comes the part of the program where we launch into lurid but mostly incorrect tales of the Saudis creating the violent crazy jihadi currents that existed long before al-Saud rode his first camel, and in which the Egyptian-sourced Brotherhood and its offshoots has always been the leader (including in AQ itself). Bottom line: foreign policy is broken field running, and in the world's worst snake pit - the MidEast - even doing "OK" is a massive accomplishment.

SA is a primitive tribal kingdom, established through conquest and held together by intrigue, power, fear, and $$$$ - so of course there are currents and elements there inimical to us and our interests. But short of literally occupying the place a la WWII Germany, there's been little alternative to playing the flawed hand we were given, and it's been played very well.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (QDnY+)

468 436 I hate this species of "well meaning asshole" that keeps popping out of the petri dish.

I doubt coercion of the populace is really on these peoples' minds, on the surface, and they really do think their policy preferences are morally right and will lead to a safer better world, but good gravy are they assholes about it.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 06, 2017 03:15 PM (htCbO)

I agree. Once you have identified yourself as an asshole, it should be a given that you are in fact a miserable antisocial jerk, and your policy ideas proceed accordingly. The problem with these morons is basically self deception.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (CPk08)

469 Do anarchists still carry big round bombs with fuses?

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 03:16 PM (nBr1j)

Those are grenades. The original style of grenades, as wielded by actual Grenadiers.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (oPNmq)

470 >>>Over in England, where acid attacks are now almost a daily occurrence, they're planning on banning acids.

As long as they're occurring in no-go zones, I say, have at it, knock yourself out. Maybe their immigrant crisis will simply dissolve in the course of time.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (/qEW2)

471 Are you saying that "gunman" sucks cocks by choice?

It is known.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (QQ+il)

472 Negroes? Please, we refer to them now as 'colored people' or 'the coloreds'. Please, enlighten yourself.

***

Hillary ain't no ways tarred.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:19 PM (GEpFD)

473 Do anarchists still carry big round bombs with fuses?

Not since Acme went out of business.

Posted by: tu3031 at November 06, 2017 03:19 PM (O5Q3r)

474 412 Well McCain says he will vote against the tax bill and it is DOA in the senate.
*I'm not going to type what I really want to say*
Posted by: IC at November 06, 2017 03:12 PM (a0IVu)
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I can't even begin to express my disdain for McCain.

Posted by: WisRich at November 06, 2017 03:19 PM (G0vdT)

475 Conservative elitists really don't care how many guns white people have ;but they do care about armed negroes.
Posted by: gunman at November 06, 2017 03:14 PM (1Zn6K)

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Polysyllabic troll is still a troll.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 03:19 PM (8XRCm)

476 Maybe their immigrant crisis will simply dissolve in the course of time.

ISWYDT

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:19 PM (QQ+il)

477 Just because someone fucked up when they were 18, doesn't mean they should continue to be treated as a second class citizen

Convicted felon does NOT equal 'second class citizen', It means that they committed a crime.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:19 PM (326rv)

478 and this may be controversial, but I don't have a problem letting felons who are off parole vote or own guns either.

I think after a reasonable time period, guns are okay. But voting? Nah. Too many people can vote already. If you demonstrate such horrible judgment and behavior you end up in jail for some deed against society, nope.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 03:19 PM (39g3+)

479 "Max Boot" sounds like a fictional German WWI pilot.

He also acts like one.

Posted by: William Eaton at November 06, 2017 03:20 PM (MuTTO)

480 Has CNN uncovered the fact Donald Trump's favourite cartoon characters when a child were Boris and Natasha?

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 03:20 PM (nBr1j)

481 324 >>> Indeed. I went to New York last weekend to see a newly discovered painting by Da Vinci.

Oh my Josephistan!! Marvelous. Is it still on view?
Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (hvf9s)

I think it's still on view at Christie's in Rockefeller Center until the auction later this month.

Posted by: josephistan at November 06, 2017 03:20 PM (7HtZB)

482 I was impressed that Rand mows his own lawn.
..........

I not impressed. Americans not supposed to want that job. Who he think he is, mi hermano?

Posted by: Manuel Labor at November 06, 2017 03:20 PM (HgMAr)

483 So yea, missed all the threads today thus far, but did we discuss Lou Diamond Phillips?

We talked about him a little last night on the ONT. this morning I heard he was arrested for DUI. But it was how he was arrested that's the Darwin Award.

He was lost, so he pulled over to ask directions...of policemen in a police car. How drunk was he?!

Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:20 PM (sLvAU)

484 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:14 PM (wmaTe)

I would agree with a better clemency / pardon review type process for that request. Not just a blanket ruling.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 06, 2017 03:20 PM (tL/BP)

485 Oh my Josephistan!! Marvelous. Is it still on view?
Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (hvf9s)

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Yup. The moring Art Thread. Scroll down.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 03:21 PM (8XRCm)

486 This site used to attract a much higher class of troll. Think back to the glory days of erg, and Mike, and cedarford!

...

I promised myself I wouldn't cry.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:21 PM (GEpFD)

487 @480 "Has CNN uncovered the fact Donald Trump's favourite cartoon characters when a child were Boris and Natasha?"

400+ to find the threadwinner. Ha!

Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 06, 2017 03:21 PM (W/SyC)

488 Has CNN uncovered the fact Donald Trump's favourite cartoon characters when a child were Boris and Natasha?

I heard that he once ate Borsch as well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 06, 2017 03:21 PM (39g3+)

489 What a shock, Matthew Dowd is pulling a "Bill Wynn" on Twitter regarding the Va Gov race.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2017 03:21 PM (OD2ni)

490 I just got back from lunch and am still laughing at "Reza Aslan, religious scholar".

because not EVERYONE can rip off Bart Ehrman, yo.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 06, 2017 03:21 PM (VBcCY)

491 Nope. Murderers? Rapists? Sex offenders?

Hell no. They are done.
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (326rv)

If the justice system has decided that they served their debt to society, I don't see why we should criminalize them owning a gun.

If they're gang bangers and frequent guests of uncle sam, they probably already own an arsenal of illegal guns anyways, so it's not making anyone safer.

...but if you're released from jail and off parole and back in society, I don't think you should have any fewer rights and responsibilities than anyone else.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:21 PM (wmaTe)

492 The chatting class could give two fucks about these poor souls in Texas.
Just like the Vegas shooting, once the novelty of the latest cause celebre has worn off and the political points have been counted, they'll scurry off to the next shiny controversy that in their minds, justifies their miserable existence.

Posted by: dananjcon at November 06, 2017 03:22 PM (WLK0w)

493 Actually the congressional GOP once again knee-capping Trump - on tax cuts - might just be another perfect factor playing into '18.

Will make it even more starkly clear that the vulnerable Dems, and some GOP, have to be removed from the Senate. Still an uphill battle. Primarying incumbents remains difficult. But clarifying that Trump is only piece of the puzzle, if voters actually want relief/change/progress, there's a lot more china to break.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 03:22 PM (QDnY+)

494 Tom Nichols (whomever the fuck he is) ever been shot at?

No?

Then shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 06, 2017 03:22 PM (VpIIl)

495 Max Boot is Russian!!!

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 06, 2017 03:22 PM (tL/BP)

496 Saudi Arabia has 32 million inhabitants, barely edging out Peruvia.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:22 PM (QQ+il)

497 So what is Polly and the other 'Raptors going to do about the squirrel problem?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 06, 2017 03:23 PM (3dqqG)

498 I never watched Boris and Natasha. I was busy studying the Koran, eating dogs and playing football (not that American "football" but real football).

Posted by: All American Barack Hussein at November 06, 2017 03:23 PM (W/SyC)

499
Should note I'm all about running away from bad situations if it's just me in trouble. Retreat is a valid strategy, and I'm not honor- or oath-bound to duke it out with idiots and maniacs.

Posted by: troyriser at November 06, 2017 03:18 PM (my7fr)

I understand what you're saying. By the same token, if someone has their back to you and is spraying innocent people with gunfire, I imagine the odds that you're going to run away is somewhere around zero.

You close that gap within two seconds and put him on the ground. Some people might lose some toes to gunfire, but they live.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 06, 2017 03:23 PM (ajiE5)

500 Convicted felon does NOT equal 'second class citizen', It means that they committed a crime.
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:19 PM (326rv)

Sorry, but not being able to exercise a fundamental constitutional right (gun ownership) or able to vote definitely means 'second class citizen."

I saw this shit all the time when I worked in the court system -- guy has a felony possession of marijuana charge from 1987 (back when it was a felony), gets pulled over for a taillight being out coming back from a hunting trip with his buddies, and gets popped for a "felon in possession of a firearm" charge (a felony).

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:24 PM (wmaTe)

501 What is going on in Saudi Arabia? Princes dying left and right..

Posted by: IC at November 06, 2017 03:24 PM (a0IVu)

502 These clowns tell me that anyone who has been
hospitalized for mental health issues should never be allowed to own a
gun. Having been hospitalized for depression (when I tried to off
myself, there were no guns involved), I am apparently not allowed to own
a weapon.

So, on top of dealing with mental health issues (which are firmly
under control, thank you), I am now an open target for attack and/or
rape.

Does that make even the slightest bit of sense? Or does it only
matter if the person in question is the mom/sister/daughter of the gun
control nut?

Hypocritical assholes, the lot of them.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (NXsWM)
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tcn - that should only apply if you were involuntarily committed

Posted by: grammie winger needs her light box at November 06, 2017 03:24 PM (4VKUh)

503 Listening to anything this morning on the shooting in Texas Hugh Hewitt and he read maybe 2 dozen comments by class mates and almost to a person stated he was a rabid atheist, and one doesn't go kill a person and the closet 25 people around them for good measure.

Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2017 03:24 PM (aC6Sd)

504 and cedarford

Whoa. Blast.from.the.past.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:24 PM (QQ+il)

505 493 Actually the congressional GOP once again knee-capping Trump - on tax cuts - might just be another perfect factor playing into '18.

Will make it even more starkly clear that the vulnerable Dems, and some GOP, have to be removed from the Senate. Still an uphill battle. Primarying incumbents remains difficult. But clarifying that Trump is only piece of the puzzle, if voters actually want relief/change/progress, there's a lot more china to break.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 03:22 PM (QDnY+)

Normally I would get nervous with any other GOP president but I'm beginning to think with PDT in office we can kick the RINOs to the curb AND beat the Dems at the same time.

Needs to be tried anyway.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2017 03:24 PM (mbhDw)

506 How concerned are you?

Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front, Meeting Chapter at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (2X7pN)

What's in your gunsafe?

Posted by: Roland THTG at November 06, 2017 03:24 PM (baYK5)

507 Who was the guy that served at the Antarctic base?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:25 PM (QQ+il)

508 IIRC, the most bomby / shooty decade was the 1970s, followed closely by the 1930s.

Leftists in the 70s, anarchists (leftists) in the '30s.

We live in relatively peaceful times.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Very little-known historical trivia:

One of the very worst -- if not the most prolific of all-time -- serial killers in American history was active in the 1790s. Not a typos -- shortly after the Revolutionary War. Forget they guy's name, but he went around raping and killing women, and his specialty was killing their babies by bashing their heads against trees. It was actually a team of two brothers, with one being the main killer.

This was 200 years before most people even knew what a "serial killer" was, and long before when people think they first appeared (1960s/'70s).

Posted by: zombie at November 06, 2017 03:25 PM (42M22)

509 Cue the, "I had to explain what was going on to my child" letter to the editor.

Posted by: dananjcon at November 06, 2017 03:25 PM (WLK0w)

510 and cedarford

Whoa. Blast.from.the.past.

***

Yeah, boi, I been here for a minute.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:25 PM (GEpFD)

511 So, it's gonna be a dick measuring contest is it?

*Ziiiiiip*

Posted by: Donna Brazile at November 06, 2017 03:25 PM (U0qT9)

512 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:24 PM (wmaTe)

He can request those rights he restored if he wants them bad enough.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 06, 2017 03:25 PM (tL/BP)

513
"Let alone outright disabling or killing him. Which does in fact happen, contra the #Expert belief on the matter."

Which in fact happened Sunday. The neighbor, without military experience, managed to wound the shooter. That caused him to drop his long gun and attempt to flee the scene.

Now, did he bleed out from his wound(s) or did he off himself?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at November 06, 2017 03:26 PM (1hM1d)

514 This was 200 years before most people even knew what a "serial killer" was, and long before when people think they first appeared (1960s/'70s).
Posted by: zombie at November 06, 2017 03:25 PM (42M22)

there was also that doctor from the late 1800's in the chicago area who build a house of horrors hotel, specialty: dismembering women.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:26 PM (wmaTe)

515 250 Link to the numbers?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 06, 2017 02:48 PM (72PAC)

There's not any one link that I can find with the numbers (on purpose) but if you google "FBI crime statistics +murder +gun" you should find several FBI tables from 2016 that give you a good idea of what the numbers are.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 02:53 PM (wmaTe)

I saved an article from the Independent Journal Review (IJR) from the Orlando shooting It has a bunch of the numbers... Search ILJ and the title: "If you Look at this chart of Top 10 Nations in the World for Mass Shootings - One Thing Jumps Out."

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 03:26 PM (hZ+us)

516 Who was the guy that served at the Antarctic base?

***

ERMAGERD, I totally forgot about him. Was it Proud Liberal Vet?

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:26 PM (GEpFD)

517 I'm sure there were serial killers throughout history.

Posted by: steevy at November 06, 2017 03:26 PM (44aC/)

518 The Barrel is not so bad. This is still a first world country. The couch may be covered in some sort of residue- but it is still a couch! The big screen might be an old CRT, but it is still a TV!

It is actually better than some parts of LA.

Posted by: Aetius451AD

Not for long...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Chairman of the California To The Barrel Campaign at November 06, 2017 03:26 PM (AM1GF)

519 Who was the guy that served at the Antarctic base?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:25 PM

Kurt Russell?

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 06, 2017 03:27 PM (ZQfW9)

520 On knife defense my guru always said . . .

In a knife attack you are going to get cut. Plan on it.

Posted by: simplemind at November 06, 2017 03:27 PM (2ccZ6)

521 zombie, I vaguely remember about those two killer siblings. What is even worse is they had wives and families. But still went about killing.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 06, 2017 03:27 PM (3dqqG)

522 Max, David, and Tom: Please explain to the rest of us rubes the high homicide by gun rates in cities with tough gun control. Better yet, move to one of them.

Posted by: Cheri at November 06, 2017 03:27 PM (oiNtH)

523
Honest Cloud.

What a goddammned loser.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 03:27 PM (8XRCm)

524 He can request those rights he restored if he wants them bad enough.
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 06, 2017 03:25 PM (tL/BP)

well, currently, anyone can. But unfortunately most people don't seem to.

You can get an annulment of your record (even if you served jail time for murder) if you petition the court. In my state, they are always (or every one I ever saw) granted.

Depends on the state, but its usually like 3-5 years after a misdemeanor conviction or 7-10 for a felony. Assuming you have not been arrested since then (or the clock starts over again)

But most people just... don't. I don't know why.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:27 PM (wmaTe)

525 On knife defense my guru always said . . .

Never bring a knife to a gunfight.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:27 PM (GEpFD)

526 Didja see pig Olbermann and his insulting tweets? And this on the day after an armed citizen, and suspected NRA member, ended a lunatic's reign of terror.

https://tinyurl.com/ycvb7r4b

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 06, 2017 03:27 PM (Nwg0u)

527 Do Stan and Yosh Schmenge play polka music in the barrel. "Roll out the barrel, we'll have a barrel of fun."

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 03:28 PM (nBr1j)

528 there was also that doctor from the late 1800's in the chicago area who build a house of horrors hotel, specialty: dismembering women.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:26 PM (wmaTe)

Holmes. Cannot remember the first name.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:28 PM (ycWCI)

529 If the justice system has decided that they served their debt to society, I don't see why we should criminalize them owning a gun.

Think about what you just said regarding 'justice system'. Think about how much the 'justice system' cares about victims of violent crime and their survivors.

If they're gang bangers and frequent guests of uncle sam, they probably already own an arsenal of illegal guns anyways, so it's not making anyone safer.

The term 'gang banger' seems to give the loathsome concept some sort of chic is doesn't deserve. They're gang members.

...but if you're released from jail and off parole and back in society, I don't think you should have any fewer rights and responsibilities than anyone else.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Again, ask one of the survivors of their attacks whether they think restoring that right is a good idea.

many people lose the ability to drive, fly or be in the military through no fault of their own.

If you violated the social contract, then letting you loose is a calculated risk that society takes. Restoring gun rights is an incredibly stupid risk.

California briefly turned loose some vermin referred to as the 'pillowcase rapist'. He's linked to over 100 attacks, and they had to let him out (though he appeared to violate something). Even if he had not done so, giving him legal access to guns is insane.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:28 PM (326rv)

530 Love these proggies who always think "banning" shit is the way to go.

In the Prohibition era, we banned alcohol. Remember how well that worked?

For decades, we've banned drugs like heroin and crack and meth. Hasn't that worked out great?

Banning things doesn't get rid of them. It merely ensures that only criminal organizations will be in charge of their manufacture and distribution.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 06, 2017 03:28 PM (BXf9o)

531 Oh, Grump - about your earlier comment, re controlling ammo. Already happening.

CA law effective Jan. 1 will outlaw internet ammo purchases (without C and R, and special state certificate), and require a state ammo ID to buy in-person.

Barring good market responses (there are some possibilities, so far don't see much action), this is the biggest blow against firearms ownership so far in CA (up there with the handgun roster, another major infringement). Was waiting to check and see if the usual suspects were going to try to get a court injunction against the law before, or after, Jan. 1. Assume they will go all-out against the law, which is of course ridiculous (and was passed by a hefty popular vote, as a referendum item, BTW, and FFS!).

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 03:28 PM (QDnY+)

532 >>Princes dying left and right..

Dude. Prince died like a year ago.

Posted by: garrett at November 06, 2017 03:28 PM (U0qT9)

533 523
Honest Cloud.

What a goddammned loser.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 03:27 PM (8XRCm)

Honest Cloud sounds like one of Fauxcahontas's tribe.

Posted by: josephistan at November 06, 2017 03:29 PM (7HtZB)

534 What is going on in Saudi Arabia? Princes dying left and right..
Posted by: IC at November 06, 2017 03:24 PM (a0IVu)

Maybe they're just like their mothers. Who are also their fathers' cousins.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 06, 2017 03:29 PM (htCbO)

535 the cool kids are calling executive function 'agency' no need to thank me

Posted by: dw at November 06, 2017 03:29 PM (Suzcv)

536 342
327 The Saudis and Iranians are about to start a shooting war.

***

And never has "mutually assured destruction" sounded more attractive.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (GEpFD)

Sort of like when the Vikings play Dallas. Can't they both lose?

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 06, 2017 03:02 PM (NXsWM)

* * *
I would have said Dallas vs. the Eagles - but I get the point

Posted by: Publius Redux at November 06, 2017 03:29 PM (Fb9aZ)

537 "...only would-be feudalists..."

I've been convinced for a long time that that was what was driving many of our enemies, no matter what their professed politics were.

Nobility and peasants, with an unbreachable wall between.

What the Founders succeeded in eliminating in this country.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/7 at November 06, 2017 03:29 PM (Ktb8D)

538 Or that entire family in Scotland which lived in caves, preyed on passerbys to rob and eat.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 06, 2017 03:29 PM (3dqqG)

539 >>>Do Stan and Yosh Schmenge play polka music in the barrel. "Roll out the barrel, we'll have a barrel of fun."

Oh ya, cabbage rolls und covfefe!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus at November 06, 2017 03:29 PM (EWlfz)

540 Laura Ingraham was calling for tighter restrictions on gun sales on her radio show this morning.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 06, 2017 03:29 PM (IqV8l)

541 " Listening to anything this morning on the shooting in Texas Hugh Hewitt and he read maybe 2 dozen comments by class mates and almost to a person stated he was a rabid atheist, and one doesn't go kill a person and the closet 25 people around them for good measure."

Seemed odd that the party line emerging was that this specifically was not racially or religiously motivated.
But a possible attack against his in-laws.

So, a guy who publicly has stated a hatred for christians decided to go to a church to kill this MiL.

But...she's not there.

So he simply shoots every living human being he possibly can instead?

Nah.

Let's fictionally flip it around.

Guy has a social media presence where he claims he hates Muslims.

His MiL attends a Mosque thirty miles away.

She's not there that day.

He tries to kill every living human being in there.

Anybody buying that line of shit?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 06, 2017 03:30 PM (EyPfd)

542 Watch the video of the NYC terrorist after he mowed innocent people down an he's running in the street. There are a few people so close they could spit and hit him. But they did zero.

Nobody is of course obligated to play the hero. But if you're that close, he should be eating pavement and looking at his teeth on the ground.

I walk that path a lot and was within a few blocks. Having survived 9-11 and being well trained, I know what I would have been doing- provided I was not in the line of friendly fire.

This is the new "normal", meaning your chances of being exposed to a terrorist incident has increased greatly. Fit in, or fuck off and be a victim.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 06, 2017 03:30 PM (VpIIl)

543 534
What is going on in Saudi Arabia? Princes dying left and right..

Posted by: IC at November 06, 2017 03:24 PM (a0IVu)

Maybe they're just like their mothers. Who are also their fathers' cousins.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 06, 2017 03:29 PM (htCbO)

***
But does the mudder eat its fodder?

Posted by: Zombie Lou Costello at November 06, 2017 03:30 PM (Fb9aZ)

544 When confronted with a guy with a knife, remove your jeans which will distract him with a WTF and then wrap the jeans around your attacking arm.

Posted by: 7th degree black belt in Leviqundo at November 06, 2017 03:30 PM (tL/BP)

545 521 zombie, I vaguely remember about those two killer siblings. What is even worse is they had wives and families. But still went about killing.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)

Ah, found them!

The Harpe Brothers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpe_brothers

Micajah "Big" Harpe, born Joshua Harper (before 1768 (probably, c. 174

- August 1799) and Wiley "Little" Harpe, born William Harper (before 1770 (probably, c. 1750) - February 8, 1804), were serial killers, murderers, highwaymen, and river pirates, who operated in Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois, and Mississippi, in the late eighteenth century. The Harpes' crimes appear to have been motivated more by blood lust than financial gain. They are most likely the United States' first known serial killers, reckoned from the colonial era forward. The Harpe Brothers are credited with having killed thirty-nine people, and may have killed as many as fifty.

Posted by: zombie at November 06, 2017 03:30 PM (42M22)

546 ergie iirc mocked the site's epileptic community on account they didnt support barkycare. sorry, i dont put up with that. when erg goes to hell they need to turn up the heat.

at least cedarford's obsessive anti-Semitism was comical. point out on this anatomically correct blow up Schutzstaffel minion where the International Jew touched you...

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 06, 2017 03:30 PM (VBcCY)

547 528 there was also that doctor from the late 1800's in the chicago area who build a house of horrors hotel, specialty: dismembering women.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:26 PM (wmaTe)

Holmes. Cannot remember the first name.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:28 PM (ycWCI)

H. H. Holmes (which was an alias, not his real name).

Posted by: josephistan at November 06, 2017 03:30 PM (7HtZB)

548 JJ, my thoughts exactly. Misunderestimating the Golden Scalp Weasel has already been shown to be an imprudent approach.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 03:30 PM (QDnY+)

549
"If the justice system has decided that they served their debt to society, I don't see why we should criminalize them owning a gun. "

Allow them to apply for restoration of their rights. Felons aren't pemitted to vote, either.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at November 06, 2017 03:31 PM (1hM1d)

550 >>When confronted with a guy with a knife, remove your jeans which will distract him with a WTF and then wrap the jeans around your attacking arm.

Will Chaps work?

Assless Chaps.

Posted by: garrett at November 06, 2017 03:31 PM (U0qT9)

551
Holmes. Cannot remember the first name.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:28 PM (ycWCI)

Herman but his real last name was Mudgett

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 06, 2017 03:31 PM (lKyWE)

552 528 there was also that doctor from the late 1800's in the chicago area who build a house of horrors hotel, specialty: dismembering women.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:26 PM (wmaTe)

Holmes. Cannot remember the first name.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:28 PM (ycWCI

I think his first name was "Doctor" (:-D)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:31 PM (wmaTe)

553 when erg goes to hell they need to turn up the heat.

at least cedarford's obsessive anti-Semitism was comical. point out on this anatomically correct blow up Schutzstaffel minion where the International Jew touched you...

***

Oh but he totes wasn't an antisemite, just an anti-Zionist, dontcha know.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at November 06, 2017 03:31 PM (GEpFD)

554 Would peeing and vomitting have helped the ladies in the church?

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 03:31 PM (nBr1j)

555 I was scrolling through comments and someone mentioned the Art thread. I took the bait and clicked over. I am gonna knock some heads together for making me look at that painting.

Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:31 PM (sLvAU)

556 Honest Cloud.

What a goddammned loser.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 03:27 PM (8XRCm)

Yeah, total shit weasel. She came on the site all crying about she couldn't afford health insurance so what was so bad about Obama Care. When one of the morons went to the trouble of finding affordable coverage for her, she revealed that she was lying all along.

Shit.weasel.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:32 PM (QQ+il)

557 Depends on the state, but its usually like 3-5 years after a misdemeanor conviction or 7-10 for a felony. Assuming you have not been arrested since then (or the clock starts over again)

But most people just... don't. I don't know why.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Doesn't it usually require/help to have a lawyer petition for you? Doesn't come cheap.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:32 PM (XWb4y)

558 I just got of the phone with my Mom. She is not a pro 2nd amendment type at all, even she admits that there is no use trying to ban guns that the root of the problem lies in mental health. She is a hardcore dimicrat (70 yo) who has never voted republican in her life. Gun control is a losing prospect.

Posted by: USNtakim prfoundly deplorable! at November 06, 2017 03:32 PM (0OmEj)

559 >>>When confronted with a guy with a knife, remove your jeans which will distract him with a WTF and then wrap the jeans around your attacking arm.

If you have a stalk of celery, there is an advanced move.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy - Nostrildamus at November 06, 2017 03:32 PM (EWlfz)

560 >>When confronted with a guy with a knife, remove your jeans which will distract him with a WTF and then wrap the jeans around your attacking arm.

-----

Especially of your jeans are on fire.

Posted by: josephistan at November 06, 2017 03:32 PM (7HtZB)

561 Holmes. Cannot remember the first name.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

heard there was a dick measuring contest

Posted by: Zombie John Holmes at November 06, 2017 03:32 PM (FZYNt)

562 Assless Chaps.
Posted by: garrett at November 06, 2017 03:31 PM (U0qT9)

-----

*ahem*

Point of order if I may.

All chaps are, by definition, assless. The they werent assless, they'd be pants.

That is all, carry on.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (8XRCm)

563 If you violated the social contract, then letting you loose is a calculated risk that society takes. Restoring gun rights is an incredibly stupid risk.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:28 PM (326rv)

Okay, but then we're back to my original point -- I don't think someone who has served their time should be a second class citizen.

If they are truly dangerous to society, then they should not be released on parole and should serve the full sentence. That's not for me, you, or the victims to decide -- it's for a jury of the accused (convicted)'s peers to decide on the length of sentence, and a parole board (with victim input if they so desire)'s decision if the person gets released early.

Once they are released and off parole, they are considered rehabilitated by the judicial system. They served their time.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (wmaTe)

564 Didn't the Left recommend shitting yourself as a defense?

Posted by: steevy at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (44aC/)

565 Why is it conservativish elitists feel the need to suck up to the media and the Democratic Party? Sucking up to scummy trash is generally not a positive quality.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (nBr1j)

566 Forget the name/URL but John Lott's site is the place to go for gun-related statistics and analysis, I think. Don't think there is any other place quite like it.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (QDnY+)

567 Who was the troll who kept insisting, seemingly at random, that the Red Army won WWII all by itself?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (QQ+il)

568 hard to believe Tom Nichols is seeing much on this Twitter TL... he blocks everyone he doesn't agree with.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (mjooP)

569 You close that gap within two seconds and put him on the ground. Some people might lose some toes to gunfire, but they live.
Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 06, 2017 03:23 PM (ajiE5)

Clearly, if someone is wreaking havoc on innocents, then I'd have to do something--something other than run away, I mean.

Posted by: troyriser at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (my7fr)

570 564 Didn't the Left recommend shitting yourself as a defense?
Posted by: steevy

works for me

Posted by: Al Roker at November 06, 2017 03:34 PM (FZYNt)

571 >>Posted by: Zombie John Holmes at November 06, 2017 03:32 PM (FZYNt)

I'm all in.

Posted by: Donna Brazile at November 06, 2017 03:34 PM (U0qT9)

572 "Gun advocates insist: only prayer can mitigate human evil. Policy is futile. "
---------------------------------
They do?
"Gun advocates" as such have no position on prayer.
Many defenders of the 2nd A ---(I assume that's what he means by "gun advocates")--- are agnostic or atheist.
Many others, myself among them, would never maintain that "only prayer" can mitigate human evil.

And while we may believe that the Left's gun control policies are indeed futile, that hardly means we think "policy is futile" in mitigating evil.

This is a silly strawman argument, Frummy.
Why don't you come out and say what you really mean:
"Instead of offering condolences and prayers the minute you hear about these deaths, why don't you make policy demands before the bodies have even assumed room temperature?!?"

Posted by: Margarita,voyaging to the edge of crisp at November 06, 2017 03:34 PM (0jtPF)

573 When confronted with a guy with a knife, remove your jeans which will distract him with a WTF and then wrap the jeans around your attacking arm.

----

Wait... wut???

Do we do that after or before pissing in them???

~Citizens of Colorado

Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 03:34 PM (8XRCm)

574 Indeed. I went to New York last weekend to see a newly discovered painting by Da Vinci.

Oh my Josephistan!! Marvelous. Is it still on view?
Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2017 03:01 PM (hvf9s)

I think it's still on view at Christie's in Rockefeller Center until the auction later this month.
Posted by: josephistan at November 06, 2017 03:20 PM (7HtZB)

impressions ?

Posted by: runner at November 06, 2017 03:34 PM (QC/4S)

575 heard there was a dick measuring contest
Posted by: Zombie John Holmes at November 06, 2017 03:32 PM (FZYNt)

***

Bitch, please.

Posted by: Roberto Esquivel Cabrera at November 06, 2017 03:34 PM (GEpFD)

576 Doesn't it usually require/help to have a lawyer petition for you? Doesn't come cheap.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:32 PM (XWb4y)

I mean, usually people do get a lawyer, but you don't really have to.

You just file a motion with the court and cc the prosecutors office. You don't need to be a lawyer to file a motion on your behalf, you can find templates for it online.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:34 PM (wmaTe)

577 From the ILJ (a few years old):

The U.S. Index on 0.12 per 5,000,000 shootings per capita places it behind Norway, Finland, Slovakia, Israel and Switzerland = at half the ratio. These top 5 countries also all have restrictive gun policies.

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 03:34 PM (hZ+us)

578 Please...just a drop of water.

Posted by: Devin Kelley at November 06, 2017 03:35 PM (398bZ)

579 Sorry, but not being able to exercise a fundamental constitutional right (gun ownership) or able to vote definitely means 'second class citizen."

I saw this shit all the time when I worked in the court system -- guy has a felony possession of marijuana charge from 1987 (back when it was a felony), gets pulled over for a taillight being out coming back from a hunting trip with his buddies, and gets popped for a "felon in possession of a firearm" charge (a felony).
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

In your example, the guy was a convicted felon, and got caught when he knew that he shouldn't carry a firearm?

And that is supposed to convince me that the answer is to restore rights?

You need to do far better than that.

try this one: widow has to sell the family business after the death of her husband , is force into public assistance, and then is told that he rights and the rights of he family means nothing? The killer is getting out, AND he will be allowed to carry a gun (again).

better yet, ask the woman in Montana how she felt about her abductor and murderer of her friend being allowed out? He and his son shot her in the chest, and some of the bullet is still in there. A friend that was looking for her was shot to death. Ask her if Hhe should get his gun back.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:35 PM (326rv)

580 Wasn't Clarence Thomas supposed to have mentioned Long Dong Silver to Anita Hill?

Posted by: steevy at November 06, 2017 03:35 PM (44aC/)

581 The tax cuts will pass over my dead body!
Ow, my head.

Posted by: Sen. Drooling John (R) at November 06, 2017 03:36 PM (HgMAr)

582 These elite people HATE HATE HATE guns but they send their kids to tony private schools protected by armed security.

Lets send their kids to MLK Junior High in Detroit and send our kids to Sidwell Friends and the like

Posted by: Traddy the plumber at November 06, 2017 03:36 PM (GSJcT)

583 Grump, i dunno, but it's by no means the dumbest thesis I've read. it does somewhat depend on what "by self" means. Russia would have beat the Krauts without D Day but maybe not without the Allied supplies to the east.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 06, 2017 03:36 PM (VBcCY)

584 564 Didn't the Left recommend shitting yourself as a defense?
Posted by: steevy at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (44aC/)

Think that was for Rape victims. Also vomiting.

Jeez, never thought I would type that one out. Let's just stop for a moment and consider the absolute bug nuts idiocy/insanity of that particular idea. That is where we are at. Guns= bad. Shitting yourself is the best way these people can think of to defend yourself. Ladies, get a gun and learn to shoot.

Off to work, be well all.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 06, 2017 03:36 PM (ycWCI)

585 "519 Who was the guy that served at the Antarctic base?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:25 PM"

Chilly Willy the Penguin?

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2017 03:36 PM (OD2ni)

586 impressions ?

Posted by: runner at November 06, 2017 03:34 PM (QC/4S)
=================

I think he was more renaissance.

Posted by: grammie winger needs her light box at November 06, 2017 03:36 PM (4VKUh)

587 You laugh. I know a guy who was about to get attacked by a person armed with a knife. He threw his arms in the air and started screaming "Booga, Booga" at the top of his lungs. The perp turned and ran.

Now this guy was armed, so he had a backup. This isnt an endorsement of his tactics. More an illustration that you can break people loop with the unexpected.

Oh yeah, and he's bat shit crazy and DGAF.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 06, 2017 03:36 PM (VpIIl)

588 Sorry, edge to the Sauds. Iran can fvck itself. With a big pile of money. Thanks 0bama.

Posted by: Ace Tractor Seat Supply at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (ajiE5)

Seems like the Iranians are determined to burn through that money as fast as they can. I think they ought to keep a close eye on the expense reports.

"Ali, why are there three Ferraris on this billing?"
"Because, um, when you are killing infidel in your suicide attack it is best to surprise them and speed is essential to surprise."
"Then why three?"
"Two were for practice. You wouldn't believe how tough it is to work a manual in an Italian sports car."
"Ali...."

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Dash for the Politcal Lifeboats in Sav-Ur-Self Gear by the Outrage Outlet! at November 06, 2017 03:36 PM (hLRSq)

589 567 Who was the troll who kept insisting, seemingly at random, that the Red Army won WWII all by itself?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (QQ+il)

Comrade, as proud American, I can admit Motherland lost most soldiers in Great Patriotic War.

Without Russian, Hitler still rule Europe.

America help a little -- but mostly Russia.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, totally not a Russian troll at November 06, 2017 03:36 PM (wmaTe)

590 It might have been one of the Bobs.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:37 PM (QQ+il)

591 Here in Baltimore, talk radio is on fire with the move to allow church members to arm themselves.

Actually, it's on fire with the topic of why is it so damn impossibly hard for an honest citizen to apply for and receive a carry permit in this State.

A really different mood on the radio today.

Goes right along with the recent shift in our NextDoor social media, where people are clearly stating that they are getting damn tired of being preyed upon by criminals, and asshat SJW types making excuses for the criminals.

The mood really is starting to swing to the right here.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 06, 2017 03:37 PM (EyPfd)

592 580 Wasn't Clarence Thomas supposed to have mentioned Long Dong Silver to Anita Hill?
Posted by: steevy

That's his twitter handle

Posted by: Rick in SK at November 06, 2017 03:37 PM (FZYNt)

593 >>Who was the guy that served at the Antarctic base?

Caribou Lou!

Posted by: garrett at November 06, 2017 03:37 PM (U0qT9)

594 impressions ?

Posted by: runner at November 06, 2017 03:34 PM (QC/4S)
=================

I think he was more renaissance.
Posted by: grammie winger needs her light box at November 06, 2017 03:36 PM (4VKUh)

oh, THAT Leonardo....

Posted by: runner at November 06, 2017 03:38 PM (QC/4S)

595 564
Didn't the Left recommend shitting yourself as a defense?

Posted by: steevy at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (44aC/)

Combine that with their love of no missile defense systems and you have a plan. Two sides of the same coin. If the victims debase themselves enough then the attackers will stop or something.

When the Russkies launch, everyone just lays down and takes a dump in their pants and waits for the end of the world.
And then we win, knowing that we did not stoop to their level.
Then Profit!
Or something.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 06, 2017 03:38 PM (ymnmz)

596 and a parole board (with victim input if they so desire)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Have you ever known a victim of violent crime to "desire" going near their attacker?

My understanding of it is self defense, combined with the fear that it will happen to someone else.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:38 PM (326rv)

597 California briefly turned loose some vermin referred to as the 'pillowcase rapist'. He's linked to over 100 attacks, and they had to let him out (though he appeared to violate something). Even if he had not done so, giving him legal access to guns is insane.
Posted by: Blue Hen

If you can't trust him with restoring his rights, don't let him back on the streets around my family. Or don't attempt to charge me when I have to kill him.

Funny. Manson never killed one person, yet he will never walk free.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:38 PM (XWb4y)

598 Arrr! Shiver me member. Me butt-piracy is the stuff of legend. No use in Anita pretending she don't know who I be.

Posted by: Long Dong Silver at November 06, 2017 03:39 PM (OB4KJ)

599 Bitch, please.
Posted by: Roberto Esquivel Cabrera at November 06, 2017 03:34 PM (GEpFD)

Ha!

Posted by: Argentinian Lake Duck at November 06, 2017 03:39 PM (CPk08)

600 Grump, i dunno, but it's by no means the dumbest thesis I've read. it does somewhat depend on what "by self" means. Russia would have beat the Krauts without D Day but maybe not without the Allied supplies to the east.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 06, 2017 03:36 PM (VBcCY)

How many Russian bomber sorties made in Germany?

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 06, 2017 03:39 PM (tL/BP)

601 We do not have a gun control problem in this country. We have a mental illness problem. We do not lock up the nuts anymore.

Posted by: Strobe at November 06, 2017 03:39 PM (CKxSH)

602 A nice chared oak barrel, used for ageing bourbon, might be quite nice

Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2017 03:40 PM (aC6Sd)

603 So Hope Hicks, another Trump hottie and head of WH communications, wore a tuxedo to the Japan state dinner last night and the fashion types loved it. She looked tremendous, of course.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 06, 2017 03:40 PM (LISuA)

604 What's funny about the Concerned Conservatives is that not one of them really gives a damn about a bunch of Baptists from a little town in Texas. Their outrage is manufactured.

Posted by: Caliban at November 06, 2017 03:40 PM (DrC22)

605 Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:35 PM (326rv)

I don't get why I would care what the victims think... ?

I'm saying that if a person is convicted of a crime, there is a penalty to that crime. Usually jail time, sometimes probation, sometimes fines. Usually determined in a plea deal, but theoretically by a jury of his peers.

After that penalty is serve, the person is now, in the eyes of the law, a rehabilitated person.

What, then, is the justification for the state imposing a further penalty (loss of rights, whether gun ownership or voting or whatever) beyond what the jury imposed?

We have the 7th amendment for a reason.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:41 PM (wmaTe)

606 562 Assless Chaps.
Posted by: garrett at November 06, 2017 03:31 PM (U0qT9)

-----

*ahem*

Point of order if I may.

All chaps are, by definition, assless. The they werent assless, they'd be pants.

That is all, carry on.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (8XRCm)

Stop skipping leg day and you'll no longer be an assless chap.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 06, 2017 03:41 PM (NWiLs)

607 California briefly turned loose some vermin referred to as the 'pillowcase rapist'. He's linked to over 100 attacks, and they had to let him out (though he appeared to violate something). Even if he had not done so, giving him legal access to guns is insane.
Posted by: Blue Hen

If you can't trust him with restoring his rights, don't let him back on the streets around my family. Or don't attempt to charge me when I have to kill him.

Funny. Manson never killed one person, yet he will never walk free.
Posted by: rickb223

Apparently this guy is the poster child for the three strikes rule. He was convicted of multiple acts, and under CA law at the time, couldn't be held longer. He was one of the involuntary commitment cases; and several groups fought to free him.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:41 PM (326rv)

608 530 Love these proggies who always think "banning" shit is the way to go.

In the Prohibition era, we banned alcohol. Remember how well that worked?

For decades, we've banned drugs like heroin and crack and meth. Hasn't that worked out great?

Banning things doesn't get rid of them. It merely ensures that only criminal organizations will be in charge of their manufacture and distribution.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 06, 2017 03:28 PM (BXf9o)

Except with banning firearms -- guns aren't consumable like liquor or drugs. Unless of course they go after ammo.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 06, 2017 03:41 PM (jxbfJ)

609 So Hope Hicks, another Trump hottie and head of WH communications, wore a tuxedo to the Japan state dinner last night and the fashion types loved it. She looked tremendous, of course.
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at November 06, 2017 03:40 PM (LISuA)

every gun thread is a fashion thread after comment #500 !

Posted by: runner at November 06, 2017 03:41 PM (QC/4S)

610 *eyeroll* John Lewis doing his closing remarks "outrage speech" at House markup hearing.

Posted by: WisRich at November 06, 2017 03:42 PM (G0vdT)

611 Whoo, something that might be in MPPPP's wheelhouse

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yb3yeknv

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at November 06, 2017 03:42 PM (3dqqG)

612 Obligatory Cyril Figgis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSsz2tJl8rg

Posted by: DaveA at November 06, 2017 03:42 PM (FhXTo)

613 One Flew Over thd Coocoo's nest ended institutioning mental illness people.

Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2017 03:42 PM (aC6Sd)

614 I like that Max Boot fellow - he gets it. The Constitution is really more of what you'd call "guidelines". If you don't like part of it, don't follow it. I can see where that Second Amendment, much like Habeas Corpus, just gets in the way of getting things done.

Posted by: Zombie Abraham Lincoln at November 06, 2017 03:42 PM (rznWS)

615 371 The vast majority of "evil" (i.e. dead people) during the last century was perpetrated by governments against disarmed populations. That is what civilian gun ownership protects against, with the resultant disparity in murdered populations being 2 to 3 orders of magnitude.
Posted by: West at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (KQ/Al)

The best point I've seen all day. It should be repeated frequently.

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 03:42 PM (hZ+us)

616 I don't get why I would care what the victims think... ?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes

You have made this point abundantly clear.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:42 PM (326rv)

617 oh, we got a barrel. those burns are chemical though.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at November 06, 2017 03:42 PM (VBcCY)

618 As a woman, if you are about to be raped, how do you go about taking a dump? I mean, who would think of such a think at a time like that and can anyone shit on demand?

Posted by: IC at November 06, 2017 03:43 PM (a0IVu)

619 Except with banning firearms -- guns aren't consumable like liquor or drugs. Unless of course they go after ammo.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 06, 2017 03:41 PM (jxbfJ)

I am sure the cartels would be happy to make the supply runs.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Dash for the Politcal Lifeboats in Sav-Ur-Self Gear by the Outrage Outlet! at November 06, 2017 03:43 PM (hLRSq)

620 Have you ever known a victim of violent crime to "desire" going near their attacker?

My understanding of it is self defense, combined with the fear that it will happen to someone else.
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:38 PM (326rv)

Yes, I've been to several sentencing hearings in which the victim testified, and their testimony (presumably) swayed the judge in his/her sentencing.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:43 PM (wmaTe)

621 On a serious note, yeas I know...

This topic has got me thinking about the defensive use or not of firearms.

If you are ever in an "active shooter" situation and you have the choice to shelter in place (uh screw that) or get the hell out, GET OUT.

It's certainly possible to be completely trapped and unarmed, then shelter in place is all you can do really.

However, if you can get out/away from the shooter(s) do so.

You can bet your life on Johnny Dumbass who's "in charge" if you want to. Doesn't seem like a very good idea.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at November 06, 2017 03:43 PM (hS07U)

622 577 From the ILJ (a few years old):

The U.S. Index on 0.12 per 5,000,000 shootings per capita places it behind Norway, Finland, Slovakia, Israel and Switzerland = at half the ratio. These top 5 countries also all have restrictive gun policies.

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 03:34 PM (hZ+us)

That's why I'm always yelling "We are not other countries!" Usually in caps.

These other countries arguments are chalk and cheese on so many, many, many levels.

If we had real journalism anymore, they'd point out these things. But we don't, and the ones we have appear to be stupid and/or have an agenda to push.

It infuriates me. Especially b/c I don't even hear the Right media & Congress members driving this message home.

Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:44 PM (sLvAU)

623 612 Obligatory Cyril Figgis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSsz2tJl8rg

Posted by: DaveA at November 06, 2017 03:42 PM (FhXTo)

GodDAMMIT Cyril!

Posted by: Sterling Archer at November 06, 2017 03:45 PM (NWiLs)

624 random, that the Red Army won WWII all by itself?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (QQ+il)

Stalin?

Oh, u mean here...

Nvm

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 06, 2017 03:46 PM (htCbO)

625 You have made this point abundantly clear.
Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:42 PM (326rv)

Okay, so then what are we arguing about?

The victims don't really matter much in our criminal law legal system, the 'victim' of every crime is the state.

Which is my whole point -- if a jury gives someone a sentence, who is the state to go ahead and impose an additional sentence on top of the original jury sentence afterwards by barring someone from owning a firearm and/or voting?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:46 PM (wmaTe)

626 Stop skipping leg day and you'll no longer be an assless chap.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 06, 2017 03:41 PM (NWiLs)

Hah
ISWYDT

Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:46 PM (sLvAU)

627 603 So Hope Hicks, another Trump hottie and head of WH communications, wore a tuxedo to the Japan state dinner last night and the fashion types loved it. She looked tremendous, of course.
Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man

Thought that said Hope Harper, which would be a great addition to the WH staff

Posted by: Rick in SK at November 06, 2017 03:46 PM (FZYNt)

628
If you violated the social contract, then letting you loose is a calculated risk that society takes. Restoring gun rights is an incredibly stupid risk. Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:28 PM (326rv)

Like the guy who released ballons on Valentines day and was charged with a felony because they drifted into a wildlife preserve.That guy should definitely not be able to own a gun or vote.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 06, 2017 03:47 PM (lKyWE)

629 There ix a book out by who I take it is a law enforcement officer on how to survive a mass shooting, heard he was interviewed earlier on rsdio .

Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2017 03:47 PM (aC6Sd)

630 Which is my whole point -- if a jury gives someone a sentence, who is the state to go ahead and impose an additional sentence on top of the original jury sentence afterwards by barring someone from owning a firearm and/or voting?

It's a part of the original sentence. It's not imposed later.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:48 PM (QQ+il)

631 621 On a serious note, yeas I know...

This topic has got me thinking about the defensive use or not of firearms.

If you are ever in an "active shooter" situation and you have the choice to shelter in place (uh screw that) or get the hell out, GET OUT.

It's certainly possible to be completely trapped and unarmed, then shelter in place is all you can do really.

However, if you can get out/away from the shooter(s) do so.

You can bet your life on Johnny Dumbass who's "in charge" if you want to. Doesn't seem like a very good idea.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at November 06, 2017 03:43 PM (hS07U)

I've preached that over and over to my daughter while she's in school. Run away, get out somehow.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 06, 2017 03:48 PM (jxbfJ)

632 When these submoronic dolts can explain why Chicago, a Blue stronghold (and Obama's stomping grounds), is rife with shooters DESPITE the tough laws, they can lecture about how prayers are useless and only legislation (like the kind in Chicago) are the only solution.

Until then? They need to shut up and sit down.

Posted by: acethepug at November 06, 2017 03:48 PM (539ql)

633 565--- Why is it conservativish elitists feel the need to suck up to the media and the Democratic Party? Sucking up to scummy trash is generally not a positive quality.
Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 03:33 PM (nBr1j)
------------------------------
They want to sit at the cool kids' table.
Above all, they don't want the cool kids to lump them in with the nerds, the dorks, and the trash.

Posted by: Margarita,voyaging to the edge of crisp at November 06, 2017 03:48 PM (0jtPF)

634 Indiana.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:49 PM (QQ+il)

635 628
If you violated the social contract, then letting you loose is a calculated risk that society takes. Restoring gun rights is an incredibly stupid risk. Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 03:28 PM (326rv)

Like the guy who released ballons on Valentines day and was charged with a felony because they drifted into a wildlife preserve.That guy should definitely not be able to own a gun or vote.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 06, 2017 03:47 PM (lKyWE)

I'd take Blue Hen's argument more seriously if not every goddamn thing was a felony.

Posted by: Sterling Archer at November 06, 2017 03:49 PM (NWiLs)

636 So Hope Hicks, another Trump hottie and head of WH communications, wore a tuxedo to the Japan state dinner last night and the fashion types loved it. She looked tremendous, of course.

29 years old. 10/21/1988.

I'm wearing underwear older than she is.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:49 PM (XWb4y)

637 And just as an aside.

Another triple shooting today.
Only one dead.

500 feet from the Precinct Station.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 06, 2017 03:49 PM (EyPfd)

638 >>When these submoronic dolts can explain why Chicago, a Blue stronghold (and Obama's stomping grounds), is rife with shooters DESPITE the tough laws

Indiana Gun Show Loophole or some shit.

Posted by: garrett at November 06, 2017 03:49 PM (U0qT9)

639 Like the guy who released ballons on Valentines day and was charged with a felony because they drifted into a wildlife preserve.That guy should definitely not be able to own a gun or vote.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 06, 2017 03:47 PM (lKyWE)

Right, well, and that kind of thing is usually who were talking about here.

Most murders or rapists aren't out walking the streets, off parole, and done with the justice system a few years after being convicted and sentenced. Many spend life (or close to it) behind bars, and when/if they do get out, they have many years of parole afterwards.

We're mostly talking about "low level" felons, as it were. Drug possession, Agg. DUI, and any number of other things that are BAD, yes, but I mean -- they served their time, no?

Or should we just treat people that do something wrong as second class citizens for their entire lives?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:50 PM (wmaTe)

640 If these numbnuts are so concerned about guns, how about stopping the black market gun running from Mexico.

It's kinda like BLM only being concerned with certain kinds of black lives. People don't seem concerned with all the illegal guns gang members have...or daily gun violence.

Their arguments are just awful. Awful.

Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:50 PM (sLvAU)

641 I'd take Blue Hen's argument more seriously if not every goddamn thing was a felony.

Ain't it the truth. It's like the penalty for all Federal crimes being like 5 years TO LIFE.

Don't piss off the sentencing judge.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:50 PM (QQ+il)

642
Like the guy who released ballons on Valentines day and was charged
with a felony because they drifted into a wildlife preserve.That guy
should definitely not be able to own a gun or vote.
=====

That is why I think it should take a petition from the sentenced felon to restore rights. It should not be automatic; the petition should be an affirmation that they are not a danger to the public and have served all time, etc.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 06, 2017 03:50 PM (MIKMs)

643 listening to CNN on election night ... just for kicks

Florida is a must win for Trump ... if he loses that, it's over. But Hillary has many paths. hahaha ... Coulter always said Florida was not a must win, that the rust belt was a strong path.

Too bad the NeverTrumpers sided with the globalist devil, and still want to take our guns away, and everything else, for that matter.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 06, 2017 03:51 PM (/aIFg)

644 I am a lurker but I wanted to post this. On election night I was on AofS and also the Z blog when I read this and have saved all year.Reading every month or so. "It is 2:40 CST this 9th day of Nov. and I just stepped out into my backyard and the stars in the southern sky haven't looked so bright in many years. My hands are old and wrinkled, my eyelids and neck sag, and my ears struggle to hear. But tonight my eyes are shining bright with tears of joy. From the bottom of my heart I really want to thank you America. Thank you-MSO . This is how I felt.

Posted by: Carol in nevada at November 06, 2017 03:52 PM (smkU1)

645 29 years old. 10/21/1988.

I'm wearing underwear older than she is.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:49 PM (XWb4y)

Oh my. We need to start a GoFund Me page for you so you can get new underwear.

Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:52 PM (sLvAU)

646 Shelter in place was conceived as a means to help the police, not the victims.

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at November 06, 2017 03:52 PM (w/mxD)

647 636 So Hope Hicks, another Trump hottie and head of WH communications, wore a tuxedo to the Japan state dinner last night and the fashion types loved it. She looked tremendous, of course.

29 years old. 10/21/1988.

I'm wearing underwear older than she is.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:49 PM (XWb4y)

She's purty.

*divides my age by 2, adds 7*

Score! I'm going for it!

/I wish

Posted by: Insomniac at November 06, 2017 03:52 PM (NWiLs)

648 645 29 years old. 10/21/1988.

I'm wearing underwear older than she is.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:49 PM (XWb4y)

Oh my. We need to start a GoFund Me page for you so you can get new underwear.
Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla

H would be better off going commando

Posted by: Rick in SK at November 06, 2017 03:53 PM (FZYNt)

649 644 I am a lurker but I wanted to post this. On election night I was on AofS and also the Z blog when I read this and have saved all year.Reading every month or so. "It is 2:40 CST this 9th day of Nov. and I just stepped out into my backyard and the stars in the southern sky haven't looked so bright in many years. My hands are old and wrinkled, my eyelids and neck sag, and my ears struggle to hear. But tonight my eyes are shining bright with tears of joy. From the bottom of my heart I really want to thank you America. Thank you-MSO . This is how I felt.
Posted by: Carol in nevada at November 06, 2017 03:52 PM (smkU1)

Thanks Carol. I have goosebumps.

Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:53 PM (sLvAU)

650 371 The vast majority of "evil" (i.e. dead people) during the last century was perpetrated by governments against disarmed populations. That is what civilian gun ownership protects against, with the resultant disparity in murdered populations being 2 to 3 orders of magnitude.
Posted by: West at November 06, 2017 03:06 PM (KQ/Al)

Just repeating this excellent point.

The left loves government and thinks we all should and thus there is no reason to fear or protect ourselves from it- thus no guns needed!

But oddly, they are the same ones who claim all cops are killers and that Trump is going to send everyone to camps.

Posted by: LASue at November 06, 2017 03:53 PM (hZ+us)

651 "Oh my. We need to start a GoFund Me page for you so you can get new underwear."

Why?

It's just getting broken in and soft at that age.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 06, 2017 03:53 PM (EyPfd)

652 29 years old. 10/21/1988.

I'm wearing underwear older than she is.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:49 PM (XWb4y)

She's purty.

*divides my age by 2, adds 7*

Score! I'm going for it!

/I wish
Posted by: Insomniac at November 06, 2017 03:52 PM (NWiLs)
So the skid marks are pretty much permanent by now.

Posted by: Northernlurker, the lurkingest lurker of the north. Still proudly lurking. at November 06, 2017 03:53 PM (nBr1j)

653 645 29 years old. 10/21/1988.

I'm wearing underwear older than she is.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:49 PM (XWb4y)

Oh my. We need to start a GoFund Me page for you so you can get new underwear.
Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:52 PM (sLvAU)

And a GoFundMe to get me a 29 yo hottie.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 06, 2017 03:53 PM (NWiLs)

654 the democong and their RINO buttbois have wasted no time dipping their
hands in the the blood of the dead, calling for gun control...
DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT WAS A PRIVATELY ARMED CITIZEN THAT STOPPED THE SHOOTER BEFORE LE EVER CAME CLOSE TO THE SCENE...
It is past time to recognize that these traitors and their lickspittles should be removed wholly from our public institutions,
and perhaps from our society completely

Posted by: Grad School Fool at November 06, 2017 03:53 PM (swEzU)

655 Yes gumdrop that is how I felt and still do

Posted by: Carol in nevada at November 06, 2017 03:54 PM (smkU1)

656 644
Posted by: Carol in nevada at November 06, 2017 03:52 PM (smkU1)
-------------------------
Beautiful. Just beautiful.
Thanks for sharing that.

Posted by: Margarita,voyaging to the edge of crisp at November 06, 2017 03:54 PM (0jtPF)

657 654 the democong and their RINO buttbois have wasted no time dipping their
hands in the the blood of the dead, calling for gun control...
DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT WAS A PRIVATELY ARMED CITIZEN THAT STOPPED THE SHOOTER BEFORE LE EVER CAME CLOSE TO THE SCENE...
It is past time to recognize that these traitors and their lickspittles should be removed wholly from our public institutions,
and perhaps from our society completely
Posted by: Grad School Fool at November 06, 2017 03:53 PM (swEzU)

A fact that they're desperately trying to bury.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 06, 2017 03:54 PM (NWiLs)

658 H would be better off going commando

I almost wrote that, but then today's "Art" painting invaded my thoughts and I changed my mind.

Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:55 PM (sLvAU)

659 Whoa. A rare Pixy sighting down below.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 03:55 PM (QQ+il)

660 Honest Cloud sounds like one of Fauxcahontas's tribe.

-
The Nava- Hos?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 06, 2017 03:55 PM (Nwg0u)

661 That is why I think it should take a petition from the sentenced felon to restore rights. It should not be automatic; the petition should be an affirmation that they are not a danger to the public and have served all time, etc.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 06, 2017 03:50 PM (MIKMs)

That mechanism already exists. It's called an annulment. And it covers every crime (yes, you can be a convicted murdered and still own a gun if you keep your nose clean for 10 years after parole is over)

In a perfect world, every one would submit a motion to annul as soon as they could.

But the problem I've seen multiple times is people who just... don't do it. Whether they forgot, or didn't know the law, or couldn't afford a lawyer, or whatever.

And so I've run in to probably a half dozen cases of people with decades old convictions who serve mandatory jail time because they failed to file the paperwork before they were in a car with a firearm present.

I don't think that's right.

I don't think someone should serve 6 months in jail (and probably lose their job, run in to serious financial difficulties, etc) because 30 years ago they broke in a neighbors garage and stole some beer or whatever.

Like yes, b&e is no joke -- very serious and very bad. But the crime they're convicted for now is like... a process violation. "oops, forgot to proactively send in a piece of paper."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:55 PM (wmaTe)

662 After that penalty is serve, the person is now, in the eyes of the law, a rehabilitated person.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:41 PM (wmaTe)

Serving a punishment does not imply "rehabilitated" - and I doubt any of the Founders would have called a criminal who served his prison sentence "rehabilitated". Prison terms are not about rehabilitation; they're about punishment (no matter what the contemporary lingo might be). Neither can prison terms serve the full measure of punishment that some crimes warrant.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 06, 2017 03:55 PM (8gDQu)

663 H would be better off going commando
=======

I always do!

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary at November 06, 2017 03:55 PM (vg8iE)

664 Indiana Zardoz floating head spews out guns over Chicago.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 06, 2017 03:56 PM (IqV8l)

665 Do I still believe that structural engineer is an expert in stuff not falling down when the stuff does, oh, say, this?

Wake turbulence,
resonant twisting frequency,

never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson Sock Use at November 06, 2017 03:56 PM (FhXTo)

666 "Whoa. A rare Pixy sighting down below."

No shit.

I haven't seen him posting in ages.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 06, 2017 03:56 PM (EyPfd)

667 If you can't trust him with restoring his rights, don't let him back on the streets around my family. Or don't attempt to charge me when I have to kill him.

Funny. Manson never killed one person, yet he will never walk free.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:38 PM

In California the state can keep violent sexual predators locked up in a mental prison after they have served their prison sentence. The pillowcase rapist, the jury let him out.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 06, 2017 03:57 PM (Ri/rl)

668 And a GoFundMe to get me a 29 yo hottie.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 06, 2017 03:53 PM (NWiLs)

Yea...um...I'm thinking we call that "prostitution".

Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:57 PM (sLvAU)

669 "Oh my. We need to start a GoFund Me page for you so you can get new underwear."

Why?

It's just getting broken in and soft at that age.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

*fistbump!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:57 PM (XWb4y)

670 668 And a GoFundMe to get me a 29 yo hottie.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 06, 2017 03:53 PM (NWiLs)

Yea...um...I'm thinking we call that "prostitution".
Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 03:57 PM (sLvAU)

Nonsense. Think of it as enhanced Internet dating.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 06, 2017 03:58 PM (NWiLs)

671 'Yea...um...I'm thinking we call that "prostitution".

Potato...potahto.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 06, 2017 03:58 PM (EyPfd)

672 >>The pillowcase rapist, the jury let him out.

I still can't sleep at night.

Posted by: Jerk Sock at November 06, 2017 03:58 PM (U0qT9)

673 So is the tax bill dead because of McCain once again?

I think it's pretty obvious now Schumer control the Senate

Posted by: Maritime at November 06, 2017 03:58 PM (G/kZc)

674 Serving a punishment does not imply "rehabilitated" - and I doubt any of the Founders would have called a criminal who served his prison sentence "rehabilitated". Prison terms are not about rehabilitation; they're about punishment (no matter what the contemporary lingo might be). Neither can prison terms serve the full measure of punishment that some crimes warrant.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 06, 2017 03:55 PM (8gDQu)

Okay, then replace "rehabilitated" with "appropriately punished."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:58 PM (wmaTe)

675 This the hooker thread?

Posted by: Weasel at November 06, 2017 03:59 PM (Sfs6o)

676 Funny. Manson never killed one person, yet he will never walk free.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:38 PM

He did walk free after killing a person.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 06, 2017 03:59 PM (tL/BP)

677 Honest Cloud sounds like one of Fauxcahontas's tribe.

-
The Nava- Hos?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

The Iza-Hos.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 03:59 PM (XWb4y)

678 "Okay, then replace "rehabilitated" with "appropriately punished."

I thought it used to be referred to as 'Payed their debt to society"

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 06, 2017 03:59 PM (EyPfd)

679 Soooo the Saudis claim Lebanon has declared war on them.

This is exciting.

Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at November 06, 2017 04:00 PM (rP4OC)

680 Kinda OT, or at least tangential, but isn't the idea of "serving time" in prison fairly new? Prison used to just be where you hung out til they figured out if you were guilty and what your punishment was. Fine, restitution, corporal, banishment, death, whatever.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 06, 2017 04:00 PM (htCbO)

681 And so I've run in to probably a half dozen cases of people with decades old convictions who serve mandatory jail time because they failed to file the paperwork before they were in a car with a firearm present.

I don't think that's right.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:55 PM (wmaTe)

So ... they didn't do something they were perfectly able to do and you think that is society's fault or responsibility - to make it all automatic and easy for the felons?

They didn't file the paperwork that they could have. Strike one.

They knew they weren't supposed to be around guns ... but ignored that. Strike two.

They, or their friends. were doing whatever to get the car stopped and searched. Strike three.

What do you want? 12 more strikes for the poor felons?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 06, 2017 04:00 PM (8gDQu)

682 670 668 And a GoFundMe to get me a 29 yo hottie.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 06, 2017 03:53 PM (NWiLs)

I think you need to go to BackPage or GoFondleMe for that sort of thing.

Posted by: Downcast at November 06, 2017 04:00 PM (1Y2fQ)

683 But the problem I've seen multiple times is people who just... don't do
it. Whether they forgot, or didn't know the law, or couldn't afford a
lawyer, or whatever.

=====

Sorry, HP. Life does not work that way. Just never got around to registering to vote; just never got around to getting a DL; just never around to . . .

Needs an affirmative showing.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 06, 2017 04:00 PM (MIKMs)

684 I thought it used to be referred to as 'Payed their debt to society"
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 06, 2017 03:59 PM (EyPfd)

It did.

I don't care what term you want to use -- the person is, in layman's, no longer a guest of the government and has been cut loose.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 04:01 PM (wmaTe)

685 The League of Concerned Conservatives agree on two things.

They hate us.

They love cock.

By the way, where is the League of Concerned Conservative Women?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 06, 2017 04:01 PM (efEMG)

686 Muslims Terrorist in our midst. Just the price of Freedom and Religious Freedom.
Illegal Drugs killing our children. Alcohol and tobacco are worse. And if a Free Society people are allowed to make bad choices.
AIDS, HPV Cervical Cancer, STDs and pregnant children. People need to have freedom of sexual expression and get the government out of the bedroom.
Crazy and violent people with guns. Ban guns, limit self defence, and tell people to call 911 (well... except Black People 'cause when they call 911 they get killed).

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 06, 2017 04:01 PM (bmkS9)

687 Okay, then replace "rehabilitated" with "appropriately punished."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 03:58 PM (wmaTe)

Only if you admit that they are totally different concepts.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 06, 2017 04:01 PM (8gDQu)

688
One area where the criminal has a HUGE advantage over the law abiding armed citizen is that he has no hesitation in pulling the trigger first. Which is why it's so important to stay alert, observe your surroundings and not walk around with your head up your ass. Anything you do to narrow the criminal's window of opportunity is of value.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 06, 2017 04:02 PM (veoSD)

689 Maybe they could ban rental trucks and fertilizer?

Posted by: simplemind at November 06, 2017 04:02 PM (600jv)

690 Okay I stand corrected

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 06, 2017 04:02 PM (tL/BP)

691 Maybe Yiannopolis has some insight into these queers.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 06, 2017 04:02 PM (efEMG)

692 'By the way, where is the League of Concerned Conservative Women?'

They meet the third Thursday of every month.

At the Subaru dealership.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 06, 2017 04:02 PM (EyPfd)

693 Sorry, HP. Life does not work that way. Just never got around to registering to vote; just never got around to getting a DL; just never around to . . .

Needs an affirmative showing.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 06, 2017 04:00 PM (MIKMs)

So you think a system is just that allows a convicted and released violent rapist to fill out a piece of paper and get of all of his rights back, but a guy with a possession of marijuana charge from 1985 should be torn away from his family for 6 months if he's in the car with a buddy who has a .22 in the trunk?

...Keeping in mind that he will probably lose his job, his wife wont be able to pay the mortgage, he loses the house, the wife bangs the neighbor and his dear old grandma dies while he's in there and he cant go to the funeral? (Being a little extreme here, but I mean.. jail sucks.)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 04:03 PM (wmaTe)

694 Okay I stand corrected . I thought Manson had been convicted of manslaughter earlier for a knifing and was released.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at November 06, 2017 04:03 PM (tL/BP)

695 691 Maybe Yiannopolis has some insight into these queers.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 06, 2017 04:02 PM (efEMG)

They're pussies, not queers.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 06, 2017 04:04 PM (NWiLs)

696 Only if you admit that they are totally different concepts.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 06, 2017 04:01 PM (8gDQu)

Our legal system functions under the idea that jail is for "rehabilitation."

I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's what every supreme court case for the past 100+ years has said the purpose of jail is every time it comes up, other than in a few Scalia dissents.

I started with "payed their debt to society" since it is a more neutral, and probably historically appropriate, term.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 04:04 PM (wmaTe)

697 Just about time for a new post, so it's time for my mini-rant about the term "first responder."

See, the way things are supposed to work in the USA is that the people themselves are supposed to be the "first responders" to any emergency situation.

The public safety services (police, fire, etc.) can't be everywhere, as is proven every single time a crime occurs or a fire starts.

The public safety officials deserve support and thanks for what they do, but THEY ARE NOT "FIRST RESPONDERS"!!!

Posted by: filbert at November 06, 2017 04:05 PM (yUKyn)

698 Hope Hicks could have been conceived to Poison's "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" - that's how old she is.

Posted by: wooga at November 06, 2017 04:05 PM (5cCDd)

699 anyways, like I said when I started this sidebar-- probably controversial.

Just throwing the idea out there.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 04:05 PM (wmaTe)

700 FIRST!

Posted by: Responders at November 06, 2017 04:05 PM (5cCDd)

701 685
The League of Concerned Conservatives agree on two things.

They hate us.

They love cock.

By the way, where is the League of Concerned Conservative Women?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 06, 2017 04:01 PM (efEMG)

***
That question assumes that they are two different groups when . . clearly . . they are not.

Posted by: Publius Redux at November 06, 2017 04:05 PM (Fb9aZ)

702 If you are ever in an "active shooter" situation and you have the choice to shelter in place (uh screw that) or get the hell out, GET OUT.

-
I heard somebody recently propose the hierarchy of what to do in such a situation as 1) run and if you can't run 2) hide and if you can't hide 3) fight. That seems pretty right to me unless I have someone besides myself to protect. If I do die in such a situation, I want my body found surrounded by expended brass.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I'm Dreaming of a White Privilege at November 06, 2017 04:06 PM (Nwg0u)

703 So you think a system is just that allows a convicted and released
violent rapist to fill out a piece of paper and get of all of his rights
back, but a guy with a possession of marijuana charge from 1985 should
be torn away from his family for 6 months if he's in the car with a
buddy who has a .22 in the trunk?

=====

As I said, an affirmative showing.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 06, 2017 04:06 PM (MIKMs)

704 And speaking of crimes and violence...

I was at Ft Meade today and stopped at the PX to see about two items.

1. A 590 Shockwave

2. Aguila mini-shells.

The head guy explained that he has been trying to get both for over six months.
And they are both always sold out and unavailable.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 06, 2017 04:06 PM (EyPfd)

705 Am I to understand there is to be no hooker thread?

Posted by: Weasel at November 06, 2017 04:06 PM (Sfs6o)

706 So you think a system is just that allows a convicted and released violent rapist to fill out a piece of paper and get of all of his rights back,

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 06, 2017 04:03 PM (wmaTe)

That's the problem, right there. What sort of an insane society does shit like that?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 06, 2017 04:06 PM (8gDQu)

707 Well, my eyes have started doing that burning thing, which is b/c of all the white on this site...so gotta check out soon.

Also, I faffed around all weekend, and knew I 'd pay for it today...which I am. In fact, I think I'll be paying for it for a few days.

Maybe I should change my nic to General Disarry.

Posted by: Professor Chaos is gumdrop gorilla at November 06, 2017 04:07 PM (sLvAU)

708 Nude Spacey

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 06, 2017 04:07 PM (QQ+il)

709 Saudi's have been playing both sides of the fence for a very long time.
Perhaps the current situation might teach them the valuable idea of
forethought.

With family trees straight enough for their tent poles?

Posted by: DaveA at November 06, 2017 04:08 PM (FhXTo)

710 Most murders or rapists aren't out walking the streets, off parole, and done with the justice system a few years after being convicted and sentenced. Many spend life (or close to it) behind bars, and when/if they do get out, they have many years of parole afterwards.

We're mostly talking about "low level" felons, as it were. Drug possession, Agg. DUI, and any number of other things that are BAD, yes, but I mean -- they served their time, no?

Or should we just treat people that do something wrong as second class citizens for their entire lives?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

1. "Most"? Hopefully that wasn't meant to be reassuring.
2. You keep equating "committing felonies" with "doing something wrong".
2. last year when MacCauliffe was using his auto pen to restore voting rights, it was noted that he wasn't just restoring that; he was restoring ALL rights, and that the group included people convicted of violent crimes.
3. We can note a difference between violent and nonviolent offenders. Please note that the example you cited was a felon who chose to violate yet another law. Even if we defer all such matters to "the state", he violated that. That isn't showing either good judgement or deference to "the state".

Petition for restoration on a case by case basis. Augment classifications of violent versus nonviolent felonies.

These would make sense.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 06, 2017 04:08 PM (326rv)

711
'By the way, where is the League of Concerned Conservative Women?'

They don't have a League of Their Own

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 06, 2017 04:09 PM (lKyWE)

712 'By the way, where is the League of Concerned Conservative Women?'

They meet the third Thursday of every month.

At the Subaru dealership.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

Far away from dick.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2017 04:10 PM (XWb4y)

713 >>> Hope Hicks could have been conceived to Poison's "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" - that's how old she is.

Whereas the rest of the Horde could have been conceived to...

Nope not going there.

Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2017 04:10 PM (hvf9s)

714 One area where the criminal has a HUGE advantage over most of the law abiding armed citizens is that he has no hesitation in pulling the trigger first.

Fixed

Posted by: Jean at November 06, 2017 04:11 PM (aZP8r)

715 The attacker at the church was stopped by armed citizens. All law enforcement was headed to the church and he would have escaped.

In Europe, there are areas where the police won't even investigate crimes any more. I prefer to take my chances in a country where we can fight back.

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 06, 2017 04:12 PM (JKNZq)

716 559 >>>When confronted with a guy with a knife, remove your jeans which will distract him with a WTF and then wrap the jeans around your attacking arm.

If you have a stalk of celery, there is an advanced move.

Pull the lever and release the tiger?

Posted by: Anachronda at November 06, 2017 04:12 PM (sGtp+)

717 If would be illustrative to look up when the term "paid his debt to society" was first used, and in what context. It sounds a little modern, to me.
"Reformer." Like from some 30's movie, fugitive from chain gang and all.

THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE in the 18th century between a misdemeanor and a felon. Once you were branded a felon, your life was supposed to change. Permanently, and after you were released from prison or cut down from the whuppin-post.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 06, 2017 04:26 PM (H5rtT)

718 Frankly using shit that shouldn't be a felony as a way to argue why felons should be given their gun and voting rights back is pretty piss poor. That's an argument for "this shit shouldn't be a felony."

Posted by: buzzion - guess my sign at November 06, 2017 04:34 PM (z/Ubi)

719 Let's start with something simple: let's ban guns from all television shows and movies. Surely they can accomplish that.

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 06, 2017 04:42 PM (JKNZq)

720 There will always be those who cheer for the lions ...
https://mobile.twitter.com/wilw/status/927284357609353218

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at November 06, 2017 04:42 PM (e8kgV)

721 The one hope for the long-term survival of the Republican Party is if these coastal elite leftists return to their natural home - the Democrats. The Democrats seem to be progressing nicely telling working-class folks in fly-over country to FOAD, so they can more then fill the void left by these brie-eating fascists.

Frankly, the departure of Max Boot, Billy KrystolBall and the rest of them would be almost enough for me to come back to the Republican Party. Almost.

Posted by: DocJ at November 06, 2017 04:43 PM (NYS7S)

722 Gun advocates insist: only prayer can mitigate human evil.

Really? Then why do we carry guns instead of bibles?

Posted by: Socratease at November 06, 2017 04:46 PM (FqHs5)

723 Ultra-Pure Conservatives Have Strangely Hardcore Progressive Instincts on So Many Issues

Would frankly take less time to list out issues where they actually do hold right-of-center positions.

Posted by: DocJ at November 06, 2017 04:46 PM (NYS7S)

724 Nichols is the preeminent example of elitism.

Posted by: Orson at November 06, 2017 04:49 PM (vWuFD)

725 Alfred Thayer Mahan must be turning over in his grave. Nichols was a mediocrity, and has turned into a buffoon. (Note that he picked being an expert on the Soviet Union - which is to say, he picked a field were verification of his analyses would be minimal.)

Posted by: George LeS at November 06, 2017 05:05 PM (+TcCF)

726 "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." -- Winston Churchill

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at November 06, 2017 05:05 PM (e8kgV)

727 reminder: if pundits were held responsible for their advice, Max Boot would be homeless

Max Boot: "That's Anti-Semitic"

Posted by: jihadi at November 06, 2017 05:13 PM (I64i9)

728 McCain nation building, killing 1st amendment
Bush 2nd Compassionate conservatism
Grassley Burning corn in SUVs
Graham Grahamnesty

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 06, 2017 05:25 PM (bmkS9)

729 I am with the guy who said if it's a case of the weapons being at fault them ban Home Depot Trucks as well.
In the case of the Church shooter perhaps banning marriage and or In-laws.
Might consider a ban of skeleton masks too.

Posted by: obsidian at November 06, 2017 05:39 PM (ARK2U)

730 I saw das boot tweet yesterday my reply was:

Jack Locke@LockeCommon 22hours ago replying to @MaxBoot

I'm sick tired of you your inane opinions. Try being an expatriate. Singapore sounds like a good fit! Don't call us, we'll call you!

Posted by: Locke Common at November 06, 2017 06:44 PM (wRy8I)

731 Man, that's some great writing right there. Impressive.

Posted by: bour3 at November 07, 2017 06:39 AM (KXQr+)

732 RadioFreeTom'urica has a campus security department (something about "marine detachment" in there, too) protecting him when he is at work. So, yeah, stay put.

Posted by: furious_a at November 07, 2017 01:33 PM (fJQAR)

733 It's like Tokyo Rose and Lord Haw-Haw got married and then had kids and then all got Twitter accounts.

Posted by: furious_a at November 07, 2017 01:44 PM (fJQAR)

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