Breaking Gun News from CBS: The "Automatic Rounds" that the Vegas Killer Used Are Currently"Perfectly Legal"

"Automatic rounds." As one person speculated on twitter, these must be rounds that convert a semi-auto rifle into a fully auto one.

While the guns Stephen Paddock used in Las Vegas fired automatic rounds, they were perfectly legal under ATF rules https://t.co/K8RlG5v282 pic.twitter.com/pdewa9BOwU
— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 4, 2017

What the fuck are "automatic rounds," these deadly things which are, we're told, "perfectly legal" (and, presumably, need to be made illegal)?

Well, there actually is a difference between cartridges used in semi-autos and cartridges used in revolvers.

Compare the butts of the .45 ACP (a round for the exotic space-age Colt .45, just invented in 2011, oh wait, I mean 1911, which is why it's called an M ("model") 1911) and the 45 Colt (a round for the Colt revolver).

The 380, the 9mm, and the .45 ACP are all "automatic rounds," whatever that means, you dolts. They're rounds for semi-automatics. The other rounds have prominent rims at the back -- they're revolver rounds.

Revolver rounds have ridges -- "rims," they're called -- at their backs that are slightly bigger than the circumference of the cartridge. This allows them to be held in the revolver when you drop them into the chambers.The cartridge goes mostly through but then the ridge catches them and holds them in place. Otherwise they'd just keep falling through.

(And the rim lets them fall out easily when you tip the chamber backwards and give it a shake-- it doesn't hold them from the rear.)

Rounds intended for use in semi-autos aren't held in chambers like those in a revolver; instead, they're stacked one on top of each other in a box magazine. You don't want the ridge on the back to be larger than the circumference of the cartridge. Because Reasons.

So you see with most semi-auto rounds, there is a crimped bit right above the ridge at back, which makes the ridge bigger than the crimped bit but not bigger than the cartridge.

This has nothing to do with rate of fire. This just has to do with the way bullets are fed into, ejected from, and held during firing as between a semi-auto round and a revolver round.

This is like why you have to use a philips head screwdriver with philips head screws and flathead screwdrivers with flathead screws: Just because that's the way the things are made.

One type of screw is not deadlier or more rapid-fire than the other.

In other words: As usual, we have an urban pansy who's never held a gun, nor even a woman's hand, attempting to guess at what parts of a gun go up.

The subretarded article even admits as much:

Machine guns -- weapons that fire multiple shot with one pull of the trigger -- have been technically illegal since the mid-1980s.

"Technically."

Yet while the guns that Stephen Paddock used to shoot more than 500 people in Las Vegas fired automatic rounds, they were perfectly legal, according to rules established by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

They still do not seem to understand the very most basic principles of a semi-automatic's action.

The modifications he appears to have made to his semi-automatic AR-15s, which by one estimate allowed him to fire as many as nine rounds per second, can be bought in many different forms on the internet....

While not explicitly saying so, this article sure suggests that the "modifications" he made to his guns included swapping out the Things Where The Bullets Go to make them capable of firing semi-auto rounds.

Um, no. They always fired those. Because the only guns that don't fire semi-auto rounds are revolvers, and lever action rifles, and pump action shotguns.

Now, let's see this urban pansy explain that things are just so complicated xhe can't be held responsible for not understanding:

The complicated structure of our nation's gun laws defies anyone who's not an expert on the subject. And since each state, and sometimes individual cities, has different gun laws, it makes it even more complicated. Those who are knowledgeable often don't want to talk on the record.

Are you fucking kidding me with that? You have 100 conservative gun expert bloggers and reporters trying to explain to you the difference between semi-auto action and full auto action (and revolver action, etc.) every time a fucking gun crime occurs, and you put your hands over your ears and say "My ears are hurting" like that childish retard on MSNBC.

Every single time. This is not our first go-round on this, Media Gun Control Experts. It's not even our hundredth go-round.

Actual gun owners and experts are begging to explain the basics to you -- but you won't listen. Instead, you babble on ignorantly about "automatic rounds" and the modifications you need to make to your gun to get it to fire these exotic bullets.

Also, the difference between a semi-auto action and revolver action is not complicated. "Action" refers to the mechanical movements by which a fresh bullet is moved to the firing chamber (and a spent bullet moved out of it), and also how the trigger is pulled and released. It's called "action" because it describes all the mechanical, get this, action going on inside the gun.

For now, let's focus on the advancing-the-bullet part of action.

"Revolver action" is so-named because, see, a cylinder revolves with each trigger half-pull (or full pull, for double action only models) to move the old bullet to the left of the firing chamber and the new one into it.

A "semi-auto" is so-named because part (and only part) of the process is "automatic." In a semi-auto, a small amount of the gas that propels the bullet is used to trip a bit of mechanical clockwork to push the spent shell out of the firing chamber and open the door into the chamber, permitting the springs pushing up the bullet stack to push a fresh bullet into the chamber. See, as that part of it, the ejection of the old bullet and placement of the fresh one, is not done by a trigger pull but by borrowed energy from the firing of the last bullet, it's called "semi-automatic," because, see, human energy doesn't do that part of it. It's only semi auto, though, because only a trigger pull will actually fire the bullet now in the chamber.

This has nothing to do with rate of fire. Revolvers and shotguns and lever-action rifles and semi-auto rifles which fire "automatic rounds" still only fire one bullet per trigger pull.

Compare to a fully automatic weapon (or a weapon with an automatic-simulating gizmo attached to it, like a bump stock), which also automatically retracts and then releases the hammer automatically for as long as the trigger is held down -- thus firing many bullets with one trigger pull, the rest of the process being automatic. Hence, "fully automatic." Not just the feeding of the new cartridge into the chamber, but the retracting of and then releasing of the hammer as well.

This is not that difficult.

I think these fucking morons just believe that the "semi-automatic" weapon (and they always say it with this sinister stress on the word "semi") is some kind of exotic paramilitary weapon, when in fact they're easily the most common type of weapon in the fucking world. Pretty much any gun that is not a a revolver (or pump action, or those old-timey lever actions) is a semi-auto.

I think they'd be shocked to learn that any gun where you don't see that cylindrical bulge in the middle is in fact a "semi-automatic."

it's very simple, guys:

Is it a cowboy-style gun?

No?

Then guess what? It's one of those exotic "semi-automatic" newfangled guns (invented in fucking 1905, but whatever) you're so fucking a-scared of.

Bulbous in the middle? Revolver.

Flat through the middle? Semi-auto.

I can explain basic shapes to you, but if you can't tell the difference between "round" and "flat," well, I guess I'm just all out of dumbing-down.

Amazing.

They cover these stories will All Hands On Deck fury every six months but still can't bother to learn the most basic things about what the fuck they're talking about.

Thanks to Alex the Chick.

Posted by: Ace at 02:35 PM

Comments

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1 Any word on if he also used "assault magazines" Or derringers?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 04, 2017 02:37 PM (W+vEI)

2

Silencers damn it... Silencers!!!!

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 04, 2017 02:37 PM (icJfM)

3 Was the movie good?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 04, 2017 02:37 PM (oXQfV)

4 Cartridges?

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:37 PM (LjR2k)

5 Fun part.... he admits he does not know or understand guns or the gun laws...

Yet... pontificates anyway...

And no doubt... got PAID for it...

/facepalm

Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 02:38 PM (NgKpN)

6 The media seems convinced that the guns and ammo made this guy do it.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 02:38 PM (hMwEB)

7 Does CBS News have anyone on staff who knows about firearms?

If not, do they know they should speak to experts on firearms before covering a firearms story?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 04, 2017 02:38 PM (wo3jg)

8 They had repeaters in the old west.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:38 PM (LjR2k)

9 The waitress at my favourite pub delivers automatic rounds, she knows me well. Nice elbows too.

Posted by: GregV61 at October 04, 2017 02:38 PM (MoJlY)

10 This guy understands language as well as he understands weaponry.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 02:38 PM (UyKzE)

11 Did it have one of those menacing foldie outie things?

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 04, 2017 02:39 PM (INJFV)

12 So...rimmed versus rimless cases?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2017 02:39 PM (p+Wdc)

13 Apparently Tim Kaine claimed "He was only stopped finally because he did not have a silencer on his weapon".

WTF does that even mean?!?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 04, 2017 02:39 PM (W+vEI)

14 Hello Poppets

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla glockenspiel at October 04, 2017 02:39 PM (WEFox)

15 I never made it past that fail of a first sentence.

Machine guns -- weapons that fire multiple shot with one pull of the trigger -- have been technically illegal since the mid-1980s.

Posted by: Grump928(C) remembers close encounters at October 04, 2017 02:40 PM (QQ+il)

16 AUTOMATIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na1807jIHts

Posted by: The Go Gos at October 04, 2017 02:40 PM (UyKzE)

17
Does ammunition know if it's in an automatic or semi-automatic firearm?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 02:40 PM (AmGHy)

18 Can a regular round self identify as an automatic round?

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:40 PM (LjR2k)

19
This guy expressly targeted country music fans for politically reasons, of this I have no doubt.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 02:41 PM (AmGHy)

20 Apropos of nothing .36 .38 .38spl .357 and 9mm are all the same caliber.

Posted by: Grump928(C) remembers close encounters at October 04, 2017 02:41 PM (QQ+il)

21 and .380

forgot that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:41 PM (QQ+il)

22 You would think if these people were so obsessed with destroying gun ownership, they would be complete wonks on the subject and understand them inside and out.

But it's clear just about everyone in the MSM has never even held a gun before, much less understands how they work.

Posted by: Maritime at October 04, 2017 02:41 PM (lKmt3)

23 And those suppressor silentie thingys make guns just go pfew pfew like in all the movies! Nobosy will hear them! Signed. The MFM gun experts.

You'd think since they are trying to form the narrative that they'd make at least a feeble attempt at trying to at least pretend they know what the fuck they're talking about.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 04, 2017 02:41 PM (INJFV)

24 ace - these people were looking at two feet on a rifle, and calling it a "tripod."

Do you think they are going to all of a sudden start spouting off like they are forum members at the Truth About Guns?

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 02:42 PM (I3yVB)

25 This is a all very strange. The more I learn about the theory of the crime, the less sense that theory makes.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at October 04, 2017 02:42 PM (1wQWi)

26 Ace, it might be time to reprise your wonderful line about Possum Stew.

Posted by: JPS at October 04, 2017 02:42 PM (e7yxx)

27 There is so much wrong with this entire situation. Aside from the unbelievable tragedy of it all. The reporting is even worse than usual.

The whole thing is just so suspect. The longer the MSM waits to assign a motive, the more certain I am that the guy's going to be another BernieBro ISIS assassin.

Posted by: New York Republican at October 04, 2017 02:42 PM (Yx9SN)

28 But today I'm identifying as an automatic round.

Posted by: Semi-automatic round at October 04, 2017 02:42 PM (WZG6Y)

29 My automatic rounds jump off the shelf and load themselves.

Posted by: USMC8541One Shot to Slay them all at October 04, 2017 02:42 PM (NmR1a)

30 This subject is obscure to me and actually scares me but I refuse to educate myself about it because the people who understand it are icky; however, I have to say something about it so I will make shit up.

Posted by: Your Media Elites at October 04, 2017 02:42 PM (RD7QR)

31 Can't wait to hear about "Bump stock rounds". They're the worst!

Posted by: WisRich at October 04, 2017 02:42 PM (G0vdT)

32 I can't even.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 04, 2017 02:43 PM (LeO/T)

33 I'll talk on the record anytime any of you anti-gun fucktards decides to actually ask someone who know what the fuck they are talking about.

USAF Combat Weapons instructor, 22 years of military experience (ret), certified gunsmith, work in a gun store currently.

No news folks as yet have even attempted to get their information correct.

They don't want to. All that matters is narrative. Since a lot of people won't educate themselves on the subject, the same tired, hackneyed shit get tossed around by the fucking media every time there's a shooting.

Unless its in a Democrat controlled major city every fucking weekend of the year...

Posted by: CATMguy at October 04, 2017 02:43 PM (aRB23)

34 So...rimmed versus rimless cases?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2017 02:39 PM (p+Wdc)

Wait, what?

Oh, cases. Never mind.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at October 04, 2017 02:43 PM (I3yVB)

35 Is there even confirmation that he didn't have an illegal fully auto weapon or is it still speculation that he modified them?

Posted by: Eggo at October 04, 2017 02:43 PM (D4xED)

36 Bipods have two feet. Bicycles have two wheels. Tricycles have three wheels. Tripods have three feet.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:43 PM (LjR2k)

37 "Murder", the act of "ending" another persona "life" has been "technically" non-legal since the inception of this country.

Posted by: Max Power at October 04, 2017 02:43 PM (q177U)

38 I heard someone say this morning that we don't ban cars when a terrorist uses a car to run down pedestrians.

Well, IMO, the reason why is because 99% of the population is familiar with a car, has driven one, has ridden in one, and knows how to operate one.

The problem with guns is that only about 50% of the population is even vaguely familiar with them, has ever held one, shot one, or has been in the presence of one being fired. The other 50% simply lets their imagination run wild, thinks they know about guns from movies, or photos of one. And of that 50% 10% are in media or politics and want to use that ignorance to dictate what the other 50% can do with them.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 04, 2017 02:43 PM (rgkQJ)

39 Rimmed for your pleasure.

Posted by: joncelli, making everything sound lascivious at October 04, 2017 02:43 PM (RD7QR)

40 I think there is a good argument to be made that if we all were forced to shoot revolvers, the slow methodical rate of fire, and the requirement to reload, which can take up to half a minute from start to finish between each group of six shots would make us all safer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 04, 2017 02:43 PM (EyPfd)

41 Renting a hotel room with a window was perfectly legal...

Ooh, that's so ominous!

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 02:44 PM (Sv2/X)

42 My PSL eats rimmed cartridges in semi-auto all day long.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:44 PM (QQ+il)

43 >>Tripods have three feet.

Or, 2 feet and one hand.

Posted by: Michele Fields at October 04, 2017 02:44 PM (UyKzE)

44 ***This is like why you have to use a philips head screwdriver with philips head screws and flathead screwdrivers with flathead screws

Man, Ace knows a lot about screwdrivers.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at October 04, 2017 02:44 PM (I7op8)

45

SILENCERS!!!!!!!

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 04, 2017 02:44 PM (icJfM)

46 The MSM knows about as much about weapons and ammo as Harry Reid does about honesty, integrity and sex with adults.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 04, 2017 02:44 PM (nUkMr)

47 Three day waiting period to rent a semi automatic hotel room.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:44 PM (LjR2k)

48 Automatic rounds are what I have as soon as five o'clock hits...

Posted by: Hillary! at October 04, 2017 02:44 PM (Sv2/X)

49 Well, there actually is a difference between cartridges used in semi-autos and cartridges used in revolvers.

CBS's statement is stupid and shows they know nothing but this statement is not completely true either. You can buy a revolver chambered for auto rounds and vice versa. In fact, I looked at getting an auto-loader for a .357 SnW makes one) and a Win Mod 94 also chambered for .357. But all three would have been very expensive, especially the Mod 94. So I dropped the idea and just stuck with my Mod 66.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 02:44 PM (mpXpK)

50
They don't care about the truth. The goal is to take all guns away, but keep them for themselves.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (fceHP)

51 Technically, that male prostitute the CBS reporter screwed at his desk, was illegal.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (PY9jH)

52 Murder's been technically illegal for a bit longer.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (LeO/T)

53 I heard someone say this morning that we don't ban cars when a terrorist uses a car to run down pedestrians.

We don't. But in Europe they do. There are numerous "truck free zones" in Europe.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (I3yVB)

54 Assault weapon. Assault potato. Same fucking difference.

Tripod. Bipod. Same fucking difference.

Semi auto. Automatic rounds. Magical gnome underwear.

Same fucking difference. Whatever wins the debate, right guys?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (FZ6Cu)

55 >>>This guy expressly targeted country music fans for politically reasons, of this I have no doubt

Putting your name on the line!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (oXQfV)

56 31 Can't wait to hear about "Bump stock rounds". They're the worst!
__________________________________

Or "cop-killer bump stock rounds."

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (wo3jg)

57 Automatic rounds are the ones that don't have a clutch.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (Mouru)

58 Automatic rounds mean Automatic Common Sense Gun Reform bills.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (mcI77)

59 And these retards are back to the ghost gun what empties .30 caliber clips in a second and a half with one trigger pull.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (NWiLs)

60 Is there even confirmation that he didn't have an illegal fully auto weapon or is it still speculation that he modified them?
Posted by: Eggo at October 04, 2017 02:43 PM (D4xED)

----

Some BATFE chick specifically said the guns in question were equiped with bumpstocks in an LEO presser last night.

She also pointed out they are legal at the current time

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (8XRCm)

61 Technically, Shep! is a man.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (PY9jH)

62 ace, I think you have to be somewhat knowledgeable in order to be purposefully misleading.

Posted by: Max Power at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (q177U)

63 this topic reminds me of the dissident frogman video.

it was great you should put it up!~

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (FKrah)

64 My automatic mounds pump up my chest and present themselves.

Posted by: B( . ) ( . )BIES at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (WEFox)

65 If not for the automatic tines on forks, Rosie O'Donnell would be thin.

Posted by: ShainS at October 04, 2017 02:46 PM (/OajD)

66 Or "cop-killer bump stock rounds."

"Cop-killer automatic rounds" kill cops without even being fired from a gun.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2017 02:46 PM (Mouru)

67 My grandpa brought back an ashtray souvenir from WWI consisting of a large brass cylinder and a pointy bullet. Wonder what those idiots would make of it?

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 04, 2017 02:46 PM (MIKMs)

68 9 rounds per second is fairly brisk.
I doubt he hit that.

Posted by: Roland THTG at October 04, 2017 02:46 PM (QM5S2)

69 Don't bump stock no more with no big fat woman.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:46 PM (LjR2k)

70 So.... is it a hate crime if you identify an Auto round, as a Semi Auto round?

or, is that only in California?

Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 02:46 PM (NgKpN)

71 Tripods have three feet.

Well some of them do....

Posted by: Justice Thomas at October 04, 2017 02:46 PM (I3yVB)

72 Ace the delineation you are making is between "rimmed" and "unrimmed" rounds.....

the only impact ammunition can have on how an action works and this is a stretch worthy of a gymnast is in gas operated auto weapons, because theoretically you can alter the cyclic rate based on the pressure generated by the varying amounts of powder you put in the round...

it'd be dumb to rely on IMHO but it is possible.

The Soviets for example had varying pressures in the 7.62*25mm ammunition type.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 04, 2017 02:46 PM (SzZnW)

73 Huh. They're not even round. They're bullet-shaped.

Posted by: Shep Smith at October 04, 2017 02:47 PM (Mouru)

74 Heh:

https://twitter.com/polNewsInfinity/status/915366000337530882

Posted by: Lizzy at October 04, 2017 02:47 PM (W+vEI)

75 DOES IT GO TO 11ty!!!

Posted by: Full Panic Mode at October 04, 2017 02:47 PM (FhXTo)

76 Hyrsani or wahtever in the side bar sums it all up; they aren't interested in gun control. They're interested in gun owner control.

Even if you carefully explain all the gun stuff to a lefty they just loop back to what they were saying from the beginning. Its like trying to throw a beachball through a cliff.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 02:47 PM (TZPec)

77 Plenty of bolt actions in .30-06, .223 and .308. There's no such thing as an "automatic round." These people work overtime at being belligerently ignorant.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 02:47 PM (NWiLs)

78 61 Technically, Shep! is a man.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (PY9jH)

Male? perhaps...

MAN? uh.... no....

Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 02:47 PM (NgKpN)

79 Especially lethal AR, which stands for assault rifle. Its especially lethal cause its painted black.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 02:47 PM (FZ6Cu)

80 Guns, like vaginas, are super complicated.

Posted by: This Reporter at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (UyKzE)

81 17 Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at October 04, 2017 02:40 PM (AmGHy)

Ammunition is as indifferent to where and why it is being fired as the firearm itself.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (SzZnW)

82 Compromise: make semi-automatic weapons illegal but deem revolvers can be purchased by anyone of any age without the need for a permit or background check and open carry is now 50 state legal.

Win-win

Posted by: Max Power at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (q177U)

83

Ben's wisdom.

They want to take our guns ultimately.

WATCH: Shapiro Fiercely SHREDS Kimmel's Gun Control Rant
http://bit.ly/2xhwn1C

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (fceHP)

84 Apropos of nothing .36 .38 .38spl .357 and 9mm are all the same caliber.
Posted by: Grump928(C) remembers close encounters at October 04, 2017 02:41 PM (QQ+il)

21 and .380

forgot that.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:41 PM (QQ+il)

----

Somebody will be along along shortly to call you an idiot.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (8XRCm)

85 OMFG - Tim Kaine is now out there saying the only reason this shooter was stopped was because he lacked a silencer.

What a dipstick. Seriously.

But this also clues me into to something...how interesting the talking points are all converged on the Left now. There is definitely more to the story, they are in on it, and they are doing the old sleight-of-hand to distract everyone from it.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (tVWQB)

86 "31 Can't wait to hear about "Bump stock rounds". They're the worst! "

Is it slide fire, or the more well known, urban side fire which determines the ability to shoot the handgun out of a persons hand from 200 yards, making a body mass shot un-needed, and unwarranted?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (EyPfd)

87 As Grump notes (I think), there *are* rimmed cartridges used in semi- and full-autos. 7.62X54R, in this case. I use them only in the bolt-action rifles the cartridge was developed for (Mosin-Nagants), but they are a machine-gun round in various Soviet-bloc models.

And let us not for get the Coonan - a 1911 (45 automatic, in common parlance) that uses .357 Magnum rimmed revolver ammo. Actually always have been curious how those work, but not $2000-curious.

And ace - kudos! Excellent informative rant, with trademark humor! (only suggestion, which borders on gun-geek pedantry: bullet vs. case. Actions extract cases, the bullets of course have been fired down the barrel. Everyone uses "bullet" for round, or cartridge, so kind of hopeless I know, but it's a small thing that anyone can understand if the focus on it)

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (QDnY+)

88 There were folks in Colonial times who owned their own artillery.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (LjR2k)

89 79 Especially lethal AR, which stands for assault rifle. Its especially lethal cause its painted black.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 02:47 PM (FZ6Cu)

Not the Hello Kitty model.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 02:49 PM (NWiLs)

90 49 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 02:44 PM (mpXpK)

The Chiappa Rhyno for example offers 9mm, .357 magnum, and 10mm IIRC....

Posted by: sven10077 at October 04, 2017 02:49 PM (SzZnW)

91 This is called "willful ignorance". These gun thingies are evil. So evil we don't want you to know about them. For your own good.

Posted by: jd at October 04, 2017 02:49 PM (IiR2y)

92 I love it when Ace talks "gun".

Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 04, 2017 02:49 PM (tu3iY)

93
A hemisemidemiround fires 64 times faster than a revolver round.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 02:49 PM (8XRCm)

94 I'm guessing they've never seen any old gangster movies. Automatic weapons have been on the streets since Al Capone's day. Whatever is going on now, it isn't the guns.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 04, 2017 02:50 PM (rX06+)

95 BTW ACE, that .45 with the rim looks like a .45 long colt.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 02:50 PM (mpXpK)

96 Bump stock rounds

Is this about us?

Posted by: B( . ) ( . )BIES at October 04, 2017 02:50 PM (WEFox)

97 If only murder were illegal.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 02:50 PM (FZ6Cu)

98 >>But this also clues me into to something...how interesting the talking points are all converged on the Left now.

Yes - war on suppressors/"silencers" despite those not being used in this attack.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 04, 2017 02:50 PM (W+vEI)

99 Technically, this is a gun thread. Right?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 02:50 PM (PY9jH)

100 Phase Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt Range?

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 02:50 PM (2wRtc)

101 85 OMFG - Tim Kaine is now out there saying the only reason this shooter was stopped was because he lacked a silencer.

What a dipstick. Seriously.

But this also clues me into to something...how interesting the talking points are all converged on the Left now. There is definitely more to the story, they are in on it, and they are doing the old sleight-of-hand to distract everyone from it.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (tVWQB)

What a dumbfuck. You're still going to hear a centerfire rifle cartridge being fired, with or without a suppressor.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 02:50 PM (NWiLs)

102 Tripods that don't have three feet are something else.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:50 PM (LjR2k)

103 How long has heroin been illegal?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2017 02:50 PM (IqV8l)

104 Somebody will be along along shortly to call you an idiot.

I expects so, but the difference is in the thousandths of an inch.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:50 PM (QQ+il)

105 Technically, stabbing someone to death is illegal.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (PY9jH)

106 The GOP opposes common-sense gun regulations like requiring a "BANG" flag to pop out of the barrel instead of a lethal bullet. Imagine how many Vegas victims would have lived if only BANG flags came out of the killer's gun barrel.

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary! 2016, Who Will Never Be POTUS at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (Mouru)

107 90 49 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 02:44 PM (mpXpK)

The Chiappa Rhyno for example offers 9mm, .357 magnum, and 10mm IIRC....
Posted by: sven10077 at October 04, 2017 02:49 PM (SzZnW)

Which I want want want but I'm broke broke broke.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (NWiLs)

108 Bipods have two feet. Bicycles have two wheels. Tricycles have three wheels.

Tripods have three feet.

Wouldnt that make a tripod a yard?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (ECUyd)

109 They're largely speaking to a crowd that has their ears covered same as them.

Marrow will be spouting this tonight.

They don't WANT to get it right. It's all fundraising, GOTV, base-energizing. It's the long march, but they see a little daylight at the end of the tunnel.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (LeO/T)

110 88 There were folks in Colonial times who owned their own artillery.
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (LjR2k)

Yup.... the cannon in the town square used to be there for defense, not for decoration.

Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (NgKpN)

111 Some BATFE chick specifically said the guns in question were equiped with bumpstocks in an LEO presser last night.

She also pointed out they are legal at the current time
Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 02:45 PM (8XRCm)

I believe they also said that all of the guns were obtained legally, with NICS background checks. You know, the kind of universal background checks the left says we need to pass a law to require. All of his weaponry is high end also. Tucker was marveling at the fact the guy spent $1500 on an AR when they are so "cheap" right now.

Tucker also commented he had just been to the range over the weekend and shot a suppressor. LOL, Tucker is a gun nut!

Posted by: Jen the original at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (rgkQJ)

112 104 Somebody will be along along shortly to call you an idiot.

I expects so, but the difference is in the thousandths of an inch.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:50 PM (QQ+il)

The biggest differences are in casing lengths and powder loads.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (NWiLs)

113 Yes - war on suppressors/"silencers" despite those not being used in this attack.

and automatic rifles, despite also not being used in this attack.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (QQ+il)

114 There were folks in Colonial times who owned their own artillery.
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (LjR2k)

------

When Paul Revere....(I know.... he got caught) and Marion Bissel were warning the country side that "The British are coming. The British are coming", most people have NO IDEA why they were coming.

They were coming to confiscate arms.

And a large portion of those arms were PRIVATELY OWNED CANNON.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 02:52 PM (8XRCm)

115 The biggest differences are in casing lengths and powder loads.

Yep.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:52 PM (QQ+il)

116
Tripods that don't have three feet are something else.
Posted by: Boss Moss

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086818/

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2017 02:52 PM (IqV8l)

117 Why silencers? Did somebody wake up the morning of the massacre and say "what we need is a war on something entirely unrelated! Yeah!" I'm just not seeing it.

Posted by: joncelli, making everything sound lascivious at October 04, 2017 02:52 PM (RD7QR)

118 There were folks in Colonial times who owned their own artillery.
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (LjR2k)

The homeowners association would bitch for sure.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2017 02:52 PM (Mouru)

119
It was said of Karl I, the last emperor of Austria-Hungary that he was a 30 year old man who looked like he was 20 and talked like he was 10. That's most journalists.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2017 02:52 PM (BWL+E)

120 The biggest differences are in casing lengths and powder loads.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (NWiLs)

----

Which has nothing to do with "caliber".

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 02:52 PM (8XRCm)

121 What would be fun is to see if this idiot had any idea about anything at all...

How does your Toilet work, Skippy.
Explain it to me.

Internal Combustion Engine?

...

Cordless Drill?

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 02:52 PM (UyKzE)

122 Forceps are used to murder a lot of people each year. Assault forceps, as I call them.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 02:53 PM (FZ6Cu)

123 Reason number 8,443 why I never bother even trying to speak with reporters...

Posted by: PabloD at October 04, 2017 02:53 PM (F1m5e)

124
It has to do with the -- pardon my lack of proper terminology-- the rear of the bullet. Revolver rounds have ridges at their backs that are slightly bigger than the circumference of the cartridge. This allows them to be held in the revolver when you drop them into the chambers.

Ridgeback rounds make guns more lethal!!!

Posted by: MSM Firearms Expert at October 04, 2017 02:53 PM (lKyWE)

125 113 Yes - war on suppressors/"silencers" despite those not being used in this attack.

and automatic rifles, despite also not being used in this attack.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (QQ+il)

Which is stupid as shit since they're hard as fuck to obtain legally because of a) the red tape and b) the ungodly expense.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 02:53 PM (NWiLs)

126 I thought "Automatic Round" was Oliver Willis' stage name.

Posted by: wooga at October 04, 2017 02:53 PM (+LD9I)

127 Wouldnt that make a tripod a yard?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (ECUyd)

In American or metric?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2017 02:53 PM (Mouru)

128 They are preaching to the mentally disturbed, terminally stupid, and the politically retarded. So around 45% of the population. the MSM knows these fuckers are dumb and will believe whatever flies out of their cakehole.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 04, 2017 02:53 PM (89T5c)

129 This is so in-the-fucking-weeds (driven there by these manic handwringers) that one could be forgiven for wishing we could return to a pre-information-in-my-earhole-24bugfuckingcrazy7--pre-internet days.

If only for a week or so. Jesus.

Posted by: Zod at October 04, 2017 02:53 PM (Bdeb0)

130 120 The biggest differences are in casing lengths and powder loads.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (NWiLs)

----

Which has nothing to do with "caliber".
Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 02:52 PM (8XRCm)

Yes, exactly.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 02:53 PM (NWiLs)

131 Suzanne Flechette rounds were banned by the Geneva Convention.

Posted by: CBS at October 04, 2017 02:53 PM (mcI77)

132 Oh I gotta go read the comments at the link. Please tell me there are comments?

BTW....Trump speaking at the hospital.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 02:53 PM (Enq6K)

133 Thanks to Alex the Chick.

You can tell the story is from me by the frequency with which the word fuck appears.

Of all the stupid, stupid, stupid parts of that story, of which there are many, the people won't go on record part is the stupidest.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 02:53 PM (mf5HN)

134 He totally convinced me. Noone needs a fully automatic pump shotgun.

Posted by: jsg at October 04, 2017 02:54 PM (i3wnL)

135 The laws are complicated and you do need an expert to interpret them. There is a simple solution.

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 04, 2017 02:54 PM (NO0sR)

136 Did he wear the intimidating black assault vest?

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:54 PM (LjR2k)

137 BTW ACE, that .45 with the rim looks like a .45 long colt.

It is. And it is usually written .45 LC (Long Colt) to distinguish between it and the .45 acp.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 02:54 PM (ECUyd)

138 120 The biggest differences are in casing lengths and powder loads.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (NWiLs)

So we're not talking girthiness then?

Posted by: Shep Smith at October 04, 2017 02:54 PM (Mouru)

139 >>I expects so, but the difference is in the thousandths of an inch.

Girth Matters.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 02:54 PM (UyKzE)

140 I think there is a good argument to be made that if we all were forced to shoot revolvers, the slow methodical rate of fire, and the requirement to reload, which can take up to half a minute from start to finish between each group of six shots would make us all safer.

Good luck putting the bell on the criminal cat.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2017 02:54 PM (326rv)

141 And an "automatic round" is one you get after you tell the barkeep at the outset, "keep 'em coming for me and everyone I'm drinking with until we die or ask for the tab."

Posted by: Zod at October 04, 2017 02:54 PM (Bdeb0)

142 80 Guns, like vaginas, are super complicated.
__________________________________

And equally unforgiving.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 04, 2017 02:55 PM (wo3jg)

143 So let's take a bet: has the leaker who was given the fake story about Tillerson and Pence been fired yet, or are Trump and Pence letting them sweat some more for giggles?

Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2017 02:55 PM (3J/LN)

144 Why can't reporters actually be bothered with research?

Posted by: Northernlurker at October 04, 2017 02:55 PM (nBr1j)

145 They had repeaters in the old west.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:38 PM (LjR2k)

I think most cable news channels currently have on air repeaters.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 04, 2017 02:55 PM (r5KeJ)

146 I just hope he didn't use multi-round clips, that would have been really bad.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at October 04, 2017 02:55 PM (DxWUs)

147 Party on, girth!

Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 02:55 PM (NWiLs)

148 Guns, like vaginas, are super complicated.
__________________________________

And equally unforgiving.

Both will bite you.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:55 PM (QQ+il)

149 When Paul Revere....(I know.... he got caught) and Marion Bissel were warning the country side that "The British are coming. The British are coming", most people have NO IDEA why they were coming.

They were coming to confiscate arms.

And a large portion of those arms were PRIVATELY OWNED CANNON.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 02:52 PM (8XRCm)

Yup.... Revolutionary war was partly about Gun confiscation...

Civil War was in a large part about Federal Taxes.

Sadly, none of this is taught in Public school now.

Posted by: Don Q. at October 04, 2017 02:55 PM (NgKpN)

150 Wouldnt that make a tripod a yard?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (ECUyd)

In American or metric?
Posted by: Cicero

Yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 02:55 PM (ECUyd)

151 I was driving and heard Bernie Sanders blathering about bump-stocks.
And that making bump stocks illegal would have prevented several previous mass shootings.
Including the Charleston, Sandy Hook and another recent shooting.

I'm not sure that modern sporting rifles were the weapon used in all these shootings, let alone with bump-stocks installed on the weapons used.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 04, 2017 02:56 PM (EyPfd)

152 There are revolvers chambered for rounds designed for semi auto pistols. There are examples in both 9 mm and .45 ACP. In some cases sheet metal half moon clips or similar adaptors are needed, in some cases not.

And of course, rimfire rounds such as .22 long rifle and .22 magnum are used in every manual and semi-auto firearm mode you could think of.

Posted by: Semi-Literste Thug at October 04, 2017 02:56 PM (+heYF)

153 BTW....Trump speaking at the hospital.
_______________________________

Why? Is he sick?

Posted by: Curly Howard at October 04, 2017 02:56 PM (wo3jg)

154 Ok, forget the comments. Dumber than the author of the article.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 02:56 PM (Enq6K)

155 Where does a Mad Deuce come into all of this?

Posted by: Shep Smith at October 04, 2017 02:56 PM (Mouru)

156 BTW ACE, that .45 with the rim looks like a .45 long colt.

I am sure that ace will go down to his ammo safe, re-pull a sample of the different rounds in there , and take a new picture.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 02:56 PM (I3yVB)

157 >>>>Then guess what? It's one of those exotic "semi-automatic" newfangled guns (invented in fucking 1905, but whatever) you're so fucking a-scared of.
.
.
.Not sure if this has been covered but the semi-auto concept was invented in the late 1700s and offered to Congress for purchase but they declined because of the cost. Reportedly it could fire off 16-18 "balls" in under a minute.

Look up the Belton flintlock.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 04, 2017 02:56 PM (+Dllb)

158 When Paul Revere....(I know.... he got caught) and Marion Bissel were warning the country side that "The British are coming. The British are coming", most people have NO IDEA why they were coming.

They were coming to confiscate arms.

And a large portion of those arms were PRIVATELY OWNED CANNON.
=========

I was watching some documentary on The Revolution and there was some lefty asshole professor droning on and on about how Revere wasn't highly regarded by the likes the uber-wealthy Washington, Jefferson, etc. Asshole went on to state that they thought of Revere as basically white trash to do their bidding.

Guess what, asshole? His name will be remembered long after yours has been forgotten.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 04, 2017 02:56 PM (vg8iE)

159 "114 There were folks in Colonial times who owned their own artillery.
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (LjR2k) "

Heck, my uncle was an avid Civil War re-enactor, before he passed away he kept a fully functional 12 pound Napoleon in his garage in Waukesha. Pointed at the street.

He also had a bigger than life size mural of Ray Nietschke painted on his garage door. I think everybody in Waukesha knew about his garage.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 02:56 PM (k1TUh)

160 The single round clips seem pointless to me.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:56 PM (LjR2k)

161
ace,

The breaking report that Paddock was prescribed diazapam is a big deal.

In the report itself, the media outlet is already trying mighty hard to spin this as a mere drug-induced frenzy.
"Oh... the drugs made him go crazy. So obviously he wasn't radicalized or particularly hateful of Trump/conservative Americans. No, no. He just had an underlying psychological condition and had an adverse reaction to prescription drugs. Case solved. Nothing to see here. Let's move on already."

BULLSHIT needs to be called on this pronto!

Whatever his (as yet to be brought to light) specific motivation was for carrying out this meticulously planned monstrosity, the prescription medication he obtained did not _cause_ Paddock to fulfill it.

Rather, Paddock's obtaining these chemically-calming-agents was just another important part of Paddock's overall plan.

If anything, the fact that he sought chemical aid in keeping his adrenaline under control as he committed mass murder is yet another sign that he likely DID NOT PUT THIS PLAN TOGETHER BY HIMSELF.

Posted by: Cold Civil War at October 04, 2017 02:56 PM (Z2PYk)

162 I thought the bullets we were against were the teflon-coated kind that can slide through Kevlar and then they mushroom up when they're inside good guys.

You don't need cop killer bullets to hunt ducks!

Posted by: Bandersnatch shirking at October 04, 2017 02:57 PM (WZG6Y)

163 guns are yucky, so being completely ignorant about them, even while reporting on them, is the MFM protocol. Anyone that knows guns probably shoots guns and is a deplorable irredeemable non-person. Punch them freely.
/sarc

Media really does seem proud of their ignorance at times. "We should listen to the scientists" is a common refrain when they try to argue global warming, and are confronted with real science. Having their ignorance of basic science revealed doesn't phase them. They stick with their other ignorance, not knowing their "real scientists" are just political hacks making money off the scam.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 04, 2017 02:57 PM (yKAUL)

164 These are the same dolts who are blaming video poker and then 4 months of Valium driving him to do this.

Anything to distract from the fact the MSM and entertainment industry for the last 50 years has been making nazis the most evil force on earth and that all conservatives are nazis and deserve to die on a 24/7/365 cycle.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 02:57 PM (XFue2)

165 Gimme back my bullets!

Posted by: Zombie Van Zant at October 04, 2017 02:57 PM (QM5S2)

166 Tucker curb stomps gun-grabbing Mediaite whore , takes milk money.

https://youtu.be/JCl6XVab4jM?t=845

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 02:57 PM (2wRtc)

167 Machine guns were made illegal in the 30s. At that time the only people who had a class III license were LEOs. then everyone could get one if they were willing to pay the expensive fee every year. Now since 1986 only auto guns made before 1986 can be sold.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 02:57 PM (mpXpK)

168 I'm not familiar with the .41 Magnum.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:57 PM (QQ+il)

169 >>>.Not sure if this has been covered but the semi-auto concept was invented in the late 1700s and offered to Congress for purchase but they declined because of the cost. Reportedly it could fire off 16-18 "balls" in under a minute.

Look up the Belton flintlock.

...

was that just a stack of powder and balls in the barrel, such that the first would fire, spark off the one behind it, firing it, which then fires the next, etc...?

if so -- sounds dangerous AF!

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (8rNrN)

170 142 80 Guns, like vaginas, are super complicated.
__________________________________

And equally unforgiving.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 04, 2017 02:55 PM (wo3jg)

No AR has ever asked if it's in yet.

Posted by: joncelli, making everything sound lascivious at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (RD7QR)

171 and the 45 Colt (a round for the Colt revolver).

Billy Dee Williams preferred ammo

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (493sH)

172 Imagine if reporters were required by law to sit through a class on whatever topic they were wanting to report on. Then imagine if it was against the law to lie to people as a reporter.

We need a law making lying as a reporter a felony. Reporting is serious bizness.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (FZ6Cu)

173 He would have had a higher kill rate without the bump stocks. Fewer wounded probably but more would have perished.

Posted by: flim flam man at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (jKBec)

174 Tucker curb stomps gun-grabbing Mediaite whore , takes milk money.

I'm still not sure what caused Tucker's balls to drop, but I'm glad it happened.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (3J/LN)

175 151

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 04, 2017 02:56 PM (EyPfd)

I think the Las Vegas shooting was the first bump-fire murder in history.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (+heYF)

176 Like a tuna can?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (EyPfd)

177 168 I'm not familiar with the .41 Magnum.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:57 PM (QQ+il)

I thought that's a condom?

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (Ri/rl)

178 Did he really shoot 500 people or were many injured in the panic?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (1ISKN)

179 AtC wrote this, yes?

Thanks for this...easier to let the kids read your explanation than me try to struggle

Posted by: Euro at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (7hIYB)

180 Btw I think I want a STEN gun

Was watching a history show and they look cool

although I wouldn't say no to an MG 42

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (hMwEB)

181 Silencers damn it... Silencers!!!!

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 04, 2017 02:37 PM (icJfM)

What does she have against a 1966 Dean Martin movie?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (493sH)

182 There were folks in Colonial times who owned their own artillery.
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (LjR2k)

The homeowners association would bitch for sure.
Posted by: Cicero

The HOA would only bitch once.

Once.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (ECUyd)

183 >>If anything, the fact that he sought chemical aid in keeping his adrenaline under control as he committed mass murder is yet another sign that he likely DID NOT PUT THIS PLAN TOGETHER BY HIMSELF.

'Evidence' has an actual definition you know?

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (UyKzE)

184 Why can't reporters actually be bothered with research?

It would destroy their argument.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 02:59 PM (tIhIY)

185 I'm going to sit in my fully automatic chair and drink fully automatic water.

Oh shit, I just massacred 3,000 innocent Dreamers typing on a fully automatic keyboard.

I'm filled with fully automatic regret and will get right on crying some fully automatic tears.

Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 02:59 PM (XMDuf)

186 The automatic Filled In Point bullets are the most dangerous.

Posted by: CBS at October 04, 2017 02:59 PM (mcI77)

187 Tripods that don't have three feet are something else.

Who is getting porn humor on a gun thread?

Posted by: Ron Jeremy at October 04, 2017 02:59 PM (FhXTo)

188 168 I'm not familiar with the .41 Magnum.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:57 PM (QQ+il)

I thought that's a condom?
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (Ri/rl)

I thought it was an ice cream bar.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2017 02:59 PM (Mouru)

189 ...and that GoGos tune should be up there.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 02:59 PM (UyKzE)

190 85 OMFG - Tim Kaine is now out there saying the only reason this shooter was stopped was because he lacked a silencer.

What a dipstick. Seriously.

Our media & leaders have no real knowledge to conduct productive interviews. They just pull facts and ideas out of thin air and present them as truth. Then the population, who has search engines at their fingertips where they could check for truth, decides it would make their brain hurt to learn facts, so get on the batshit crazy train with the media instead.

it's as if logic & knowledge & wisdom are now crimes, b /c they come from the white patriarchy. This argument has already been made about science, so not too far-fetched. It's definitely how people behave.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla glockenspiel at October 04, 2017 02:59 PM (WEFox)

191 Motivation Commie and probably Muslim and AntiFa sympathizer.

Would not be shocked to learn he was an arms dealer to all of them.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 02:59 PM (XFue2)

192 Wouldnt that make a tripod a yard?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (ECUyd)

Get off my tripod, you young whippersnapper!!

hmmm. It works.

Posted by: Adriane the Syllogism Critic ... at October 04, 2017 02:59 PM (AoK0a)

193 He also had a bigger than life size mural of Ray
Nietschke painted on his garage door. I think everybody in Waukesha
knew about his garage.

Posted by: Tom Servo

Was that on Aurora St?

Posted by: Roland THTG at October 04, 2017 02:59 PM (baYK5)

194 This whole thing has the feel of an event that was ENGINEERED to lead to more gun control. Every device in the guy's possession is on some gun grabbers list of BAD THINGS that must be banned: ARs, AKs, high cap mags, M855 rounds, bump fire stocks, etc. He even bought it all in a very short time frame like he was trying to prove that should have been a red flag. I wouldn't be surprised if he bought some items at gun shows, or over the internet, or via private sales, just to show that those must be regulated too. As a coup de grace, he probably bought an NRA membership at the last minute. He was checking off every box possible.

The concert-goers were just eggs to be broken in preparation of his omelette. Note that he stopped shooting long before the police found him, like he figured his point was made and anything more was gratuitous.

Or he just coulda been bug fvck crazy.

Posted by: It's Aluminum Foil, not Tinfoil at October 04, 2017 02:59 PM (VGRuw)

195 144 Why can't reporters actually be bothered with research?
Posted by: Northernlurker

We're dealing with propagandists and political operatives.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (89T5c)

196 I put some of those automatic rounds in a toy gun once.Nearly killed my whole family...

Posted by: steevy at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (rmVvL)

197 I was always taught that pistol rounds were un-rimmed and revolver rounds were rimmed for her pleasure.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (nUkMr)

198 170 142 80 Guns, like vaginas, are super complicated.
__________________________________

And equally unforgiving.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 04, 2017 02:55 PM (wo3jg)

No AR has ever asked if it's in yet.
______________________________________

No AR has ever taken your house and 50 percent of your income when your relationship with it is over.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (wo3jg)

199 some lefty asshole professor droning on and on about how Revere wasn't highly regarded by the likes the uber-wealthy Washington, Jefferson, etc. Asshole went on to state that they thought of Revere as basically white trash to do their bidding.

this is all, er, true. Revere was in the Samuel Adams wing of the Revolution. this is well known to the Neo Reaction as well, not just the "lefties". and to the Brits.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (0ljU1)

200 168 I'm not familiar with the .41 Magnum.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:57 PM (QQ+il)

Malt liquor?

Posted by: Under Fire at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (mcI77)

201
These are the same dolts who are blaming video poker and then 4 months of Valium driving him to do this.

I don't think you can rule out gambling problems just yet.

Posted by: MSM Firearms Expert at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (lKyWE)

202 I'm not familiar with the .41 Magnum.

Great round.
Heftier than .357, not as punishing as the .44 mag.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (ECUyd)

203 although I wouldn't say no to an MG 42

and a truck load of ammo to satisfy it 1500 rd/minute rate of fire.

I get a boner just thinking about it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (QQ+il)

204 Apparently Tim Kaine claimed "He was only stopped finally because he did not have a silencer on his weapon".

WTF does that even mean?!?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 04, 2017 02:39 PM (W+vEI)

Didn't the Beast say he did have one?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (493sH)

205 72 Ace the delineation you are making is between "rimmed" and "unrimmed" rounds.....

the only impact ammunition can have on how an action works and this is a stretch worthy of a gymnast is in gas operated auto weapons, because theoretically you can alter the cyclic rate based on the pressure generated by the varying amounts of powder you put in the round...

it'd be dumb to rely on IMHO but it is possible.

The Soviets for example had varying pressures in the 7.62*25mm ammunition type.
Posted by: sven10077 at October 04, 2017 02:46 PM (SzZnW)

==================

I wager the differing pressure specs for 7.62x25 had more to do with the PPSh's batshit crazy cyclic rate. Straight blowback SMGs are in fact sensitve to ammo, more so than most guns. For a semiautomatic gun, the main risk is short stroking, leading to possible FTF or FTE. According to Karl at InRange TV, the SVT-40 is pretty sensitive to this. Different batches of ammo might require a tweak of the gas block. HE actually ran into this issue at a match where shot with a fresh can of Bulgy surplus. After he opened the valve up a notch it ran flawlessly.

Posted by: Jackal at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (8F3x1)

206 If anything, the fact that he sought chemical aid in keeping his adrenaline under control as he committed mass murder is yet another sign that he likely DID NOT PUT THIS PLAN TOGETHER BY HIMSELF.

Posted by: Cold Civil War at October 04, 2017 02:56 PM (Z2PYk)

Wait, people are saying that Valium drove him to a killing frenzy? The opposite would be true, in my experience. Not that I've ever taken Valium without a prescription. That would be unlawful.

Posted by: joncelli, making everything sound lascivious at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (RD7QR)

207

SILENT RUBBER BABY BUGGY BUMPERS!!!!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (icJfM)

208 Technically, stabbing someone to death is illegal.

Patricia Arquette is amazed by your information. Seriously:

"You may have the right to have a gun but you don't have the right to shoot it at people because you are simply angry."

-recent tweet by Miss Arquette

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (TZPec)

209 The Virginia Citizen's Defense League sent out the following yesterday - it's a very nice digest.

* Gun control: the gun-grabbers are calling for more gun control (surprise) because of 50 victims in the Las Vegas attack. BUT, France has every gun-control law the gun-grabbers want, except complete confiscation, yet 130 people were killed and hundreds injured in Paris in 2015 by terrorist using guns and bombs! A truck was used to kill 77 people in Nice in 2016. Gun control is the answer? Clearly not.

* Bump-fire stocks: bump-fire stocks and other bump-fire devices have been available for years now and there are probably thousands of them in use. In all those years, this is the first time I've heard of one being misused. Heck, you can bump-fire a semi-automatic rifle without any changes to the gun at all based on how you hold the gun! Bump-fire is nowhere near as accurate as a machine gun and is mainly used for plinking.

* Silencers/suppressors: while silencers were not used, Hillary Clinton implied that if the murderer had a silencer, the police would have had a harder time finding him. Pure hogwash. Silencers lower the volume of a shot to where it won't damage your hearing, but each shot of a suppressed rifle is still almost as loud as a jackhammer. There is a company that has equipment to determine where a shot was fired from and they said that a silencer would not defeat their system.

* Background checks: the murderer passed multiple background checks, so, as usual, universal background checks would not have done anything to prevent this tragedy.

* Will there be a push for more gun control at the federal and the state level? Yes

* Will this slow down national reciprocity and removing some of restrictions on silencers? Probably. Republican leadership (Rep. Scalise excepted) can get weak-kneed way too easily.

* Will any gun control pass? Yes, IF gun owners don't stay in the fight. Lobby Day in Richmond is Monday, January 15th, 2018. VCDL will also get involved if any serious gun control is introduced in Congress.

* There is no compromising with gun controllers. Their version of compromise is for gun owners to give up everything and gun controllers to give up nothing. And, until all guns are confiscated, the gun controllers will never, ever be satisfied.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (tVWQB)

210 If only Shelvie knew as much about shelving as he does firearms....

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (EyPfd)

211 This whole thing has the feel of an event that was ENGINEERED to lead to more gun control.

The Jooos are all in on this. I can feel it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (Mouru)

212 Oh oh oh Dad update.

I finally got in touch with Mommy who left her cell phone in the car and thus did not answer all day what with it being in the car and not worrying me at all no sirree.

Anyhoodle. This is more or less verbatim

"How's Dad?"

"Your father is being moved to another room and they have him out of bed and in a chair and he is being very fussy and I'm going to strangle him."

"So he's doing fine then."

The your father is always a Danger Danger Will Robinson sign.

Talked to Dad and he is doing okay other than he's still on soft foods only and he's way happy about that.

Thank you, Horde, for all the prayers. It means a lot.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (mf5HN)

213 85 OMFG - Tim Kaine is now out there saying the only reason this shooter was stopped was because he lacked a silencer.

What a dipstick. Seriously.

But this also clues me into to something...how interesting the talking points are all converged on the Left now. There is definitely more to the story, they are in on it, and they are doing the old sleight-of-hand to distract everyone from it.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (tVWQB)
He has time for movies but not to do any research. I know little about guns but I know supptessors don't actually silence.
It's kind of like these dipshits are afraid of being rational.

Posted by: Northernlurker at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (nBr1j)

214 Nintendo Duck Hunt made him snap.

Posted by: Hillary at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (XFue2)

215 If he had had a silencer no one would have the massacre.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (LjR2k)

216 All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Center think that Trump is the main cause of this happening. Presdent Obama should do something about this so it does not happen again. We never had anything like this happen when he was Presdent !!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (WmgTn)

217 The main thing is, the media are really, really stupid.

Posted by: Chris M at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (eAZVt)

218 Shep! is totally getting off on the Vegas cops' body cam vid.

Technically.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (PY9jH)

219 Why can't reporters actually be bothered with research?
===

Blasphemy!

The Narrative is all-knowing.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (2wRtc)

220 I'm a pretty avid shooter, but I can easily admit I regularly meet people who know WAAAAAY more about guns than me. And that's OK. I wouldn't try writing a technical article about guns without doing lots of research first.

Also, I really didn't know anything about bump stocks before this terrible shooting. Not a thing. I have seen videos of idiots bump firing weapons and thought it looked really stupid, dangerous, and poorly controlled.

If I ever found myself near one of these people at a range I would GTFO smartly and contact the range officer to tell him to pull his head out and eject the fools.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (jhqr1)

221 although I wouldn't say no to an MG 42

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (hMwEB)

You know who else wouldn't say no to an MG 42?!?!?!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (493sH)

222 211 Well,he ordered a bagel with shmear.....

Posted by: steevy at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (rmVvL)

223
Off dumb sock

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (lKyWE)

224 167 Machine guns were made illegal in the 30s. At that time the only people who had a class III license were LEOs. then everyone could get one if they were willing to pay the expensive fee every year. Now since 1986 only auto guns made before 1986 can be sold.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 02:57 PM (mpXpK)

My cop BIL tried to tell me that fully auto weapons were legal in MO. I told him you need a special license. You can't go down to the gun shop and pick one up.
My BIL took it back. ( He wants us to buy some property near him).
He didn't even know the laws.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (Ri/rl)

225 And they'll never understand that an AR with a slide stock is still a semi-auto........a whole lotta ignorance. smh.

Posted by: Titus Justus at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (k6X1s)

226 No AR has ever taken your house and 50 percent of your income when your relationship with it is over.

+++

Not that I'm bitter or anything

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (NO0sR)

227 Why silencers? Did somebody wake up the morning of the massacre and say "what we need is a war on something entirely unrelated! Yeah!" I'm just not seeing it.
Posted by: joncelli, making everything sound lascivious at October 04, 2017 02:52 PM (RD7QR)

That paragon of virtue, Ms Mensa herself, Tim Kaine's big shadow, Hillary Clinton tweeted out the day after the shooting that if the shooter had a silencer, the death toll would have been greater.
It's because there is a bill in the House right now that has among it's numerous outdoor regulations, etc. a section allowing for the sale of suppressors to the public without it being classified as needing an ATF tax stamp, and the one year wait to wade through the government approval process to own a metal tube that screws on to the end of a barrel and reduces the decibles. The bill is not scheduled for a vote yet, but why wait to demonize it when this was the perfect opportunity.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (rgkQJ)

228 Ace, it's case head (for rear of the case) - case mouth is the other (open) end, where the projectile (bullet) goes. I call the groove that creates a "rim effect" at the case head of certain calibers the extraction groove, though not sure that is the term in all cases.

Why doesn't garrett or Grump or some more sophistimicated gun-nut jump in here and learn ace some fancy gun talk, like explaining belted magnums. I know nothing about those.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (QDnY+)

229 If the shooter had had a silencer, we'd still be wondering why all those people were lying on the ground full of bullet holes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (PY9jH)

230 .45 long colt

http://tinyurl.com/y9jd3u23

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (mpXpK)

231 --checks the thread--

Woohoo! I get to be the pedant!

Not just revolver, pump, and lever. There's also break-action and bolt-action.

Pistols, Rifles, and Shotguns all have models of those as well.

Posted by: makatta at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (Y7Qzg)

232 Fire can't melt automatic rounds.

Posted by: m at October 04, 2017 03:03 PM (7n0Ay)

233 Thanks to Alex the Chick.

h/t

and I read your comment a few days ago regarding your dad (if you are here right now). Same situation over here. Hang in there. Sleepless nights, stress beyond words. Family.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 03:03 PM (fceHP)

234 They may not know guns, but they do know all of the proper emotions needed to win an Emmy for Maudlin Broadcasting in the face of Senseless Tragedy.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Two Free Skepticism When the Outrage Outlet Caters Your Fall Freakout! at October 04, 2017 03:03 PM (hLRSq)

235 Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (mf5HN)

That made me smile

so glad he's on the mend and driving your mom crazy

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 03:03 PM (hMwEB)

236 In Space, no one needs a Silencer.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 03:03 PM (UyKzE)

237 If the shooter had had a silencer, we'd still be wondering why all those people were lying on the ground full of bullet holes.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (PY9jH)

LOL

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2017 03:03 PM (Mouru)

238 If I ever found myself near one of these people at a range I would GTFO smartly and contact the range officer to tell him to pull his head out and eject the fools.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (jhqr1)

A bump stock sounds like something you'd play with on your own property. Or a friends ranch.

I had never heard of them either.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (Ri/rl)

239 One type of screw is not deadlier or more rapid-fire than the other.

------------

Paolo say you are wrong. Paolo knows.

Posted by: Paolo at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (ZAAkQ)

240 AtC wrote this, yes?

Thanks for this...easier to let the kids read your explanation than me try to struggle
Posted by: Euro at October 04, 2017 02:58 PM (7hIYB)

No, no, no, I just whinged about this on twitter and ace saw it.

Shockingly, despite the frequency of fucks in the post, I did not write it.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (mf5HN)

241 232 Fire can't melt automatic rounds.
Posted by: m at October 04, 2017 03:03 PM (7n0Ay)

"Well, not unless it's magical shapeshifting Joo (((Fire)))."

-- Zero Hedge

Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (XMDuf)

242 Melania's boobs look yuge in the top she was wearing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (PY9jH)

243 192 [Wouldn't]Wouldnt that make a tripod a yard?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 02:51 PM (ECUyd)

Get off my tripod, you young whippersnapper!!

Pod or pod not, there is no tri.

Posted by: Anachronda at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (sGtp+)

244 They don't enlist in the military either...where they could learn about guns...because they're pussy's.

Posted by: torabora at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (6dFYM)

245 We must regulate copper and lead.

Posted by: Hillary at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (XFue2)

246 Why can't reporters actually be bothered with research?

I know the phrase gets overused, but in many cases this is virtue signalling. They're as proud not to know details about guns as I am not to have any knowledge of Hillary Clinton's mating rituals.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (jhqr1)

247 147 Party on, girth!
Posted by: Insomniac at October 04, 2017 02:55 PM (NWiLs)

Party on, wank!

Posted by: Wayne & Garth, bff at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (WEFox)

248 229 If the shooter had had a silencer, we'd still be wondering why all those people were lying on the ground full of bullet holes.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (PY9jH)

Heh!

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (Ri/rl)

249 * Bump-fire stocks: bump-fire stocks and other bump-fire devices have been available for years now and there are probably thousands of them in use. In all those years, this is the first time I've heard of one being misused. Heck, you can bump-fire a semi-automatic rifle without any changes to the gun at all based on how you hold the gun! Bump-fire is nowhere near as accurate as a machine gun and is mainly used for plinking.

Again gun culture needs to think about their argument on this.

Bump stocks are totally worthless and nobody would want one anyway and you can't hit anything while using them! And don't try taking them away!

Meanwhile, the shooter had a dozen of them, used at least one, and killed a LOT of people.

Rethink rethink rethink.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (I3yVB)

250 >>> If only Shelvie knew as much about shelving as he does firearms....

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/dce66f83-e1e0-439f-b303-da9cae450b84

Posted by: ace Redwood at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (8rNrN)

251 224 My cop BIL tried to tell me that fully auto weapons
were legal in MO. I told him you need a special license. You can't go
down to the gun shop and pick one up.

My BIL took it back. ( He wants us to buy some property near him).

He didn't even know the laws.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (Ri/rl)

They may actually be legal in MO. I am pretty sure they are also legal in SC. But they are against FEDERAL law if if made after 1986.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (mpXpK)

252 The best hot take / nuclear strike combo so far was Gloria Steinem saying that guns for men should be regulated the same as abortions for women.

Instapundit replied "So they can buy them at age 13 without parental knowledge or consent?".

The crater is visible from orbit.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (3J/LN)

253 Basically the Left looked at the massacre and said - hey, is there any agenda or legislation we can push or block that ties into this?
So, silencers

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (hMwEB)

254 >>>>.Not sure if this has been covered but the semi-auto concept was
invented in the late 1700s and offered to Congress for purchase but they
declined because of the cost. Reportedly it could fire off 16-18
"balls" in under a minute.

Look up the Belton flintlock.

...

was that just a stack of powder and balls in the barrel, such that
the first would fire, spark off the one behind it, firing it, which then
fires the next, etc...?

if so -- sounds dangerous AF!
.
.
.It apparently worked fine, he did demonstrate it to Congress and they expressed interest but balked at his asking price per weapon.

There are some examples of repeating flintlock pistols from the late 1600s that were actually manufactured and sold. The price and delicate mechanisms put them out of reach for 99% of the population at the time though.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (+Dllb)

255 >>It's because there is a bill in the House right now that has among it's
numerous outdoor regulations, etc. a section allowing for the sale of
suppressors

Thanks, Jen that explains why - could not understand why Hillary mentioned silencers in initial tweets.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (W+vEI)

256 The WSJ had a similar article. I think it's on its 10th revision.

The comments would cause you to lose 30 points off your IQ if you read them just by the absolute absence of logic.

I had to email the editor to let them know that Colt didn't develop the AR-15, and gave them a lesson on Stoner and Armalite.

You see when your agenda is to undermine the Securities be Amendment, you put the lowest mouth-breather on the story. That way you have an alibi.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (NMCva)

257 The NRA is taking a lot of heat.
Have they come out with a statement yet?

Posted by: Under Fire at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (mcI77)

258 Melania's boobs look yuge in the top she was wearing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (PY9jH)

You know why they look that way?

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (I3yVB)

259 AtC

Glad to hear the good news about your father.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 04, 2017 03:06 PM (EyPfd)

260 That's really fucked up that Hildabeast even knew there was a suppressor bill. Why did she sober up?

Posted by: torabora at October 04, 2017 03:06 PM (6dFYM)

261 This whole thing has the feel of an event that was ENGINEERED to lead to more gun control.

No, if someone was setting that up he'd have used an extended capacity AR-15 with a suppressor, and sniped people. Could have easily killed far more that way. It would have pushed all the buttons of modern fearmongers. His girlfriend on the ground with a bag of pistols shooting people would have pushed even more. Some guy with an automatic weapon in a window is just crazy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 03:06 PM (TZPec)

262 Valium made me rampage......said nobody ever.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:06 PM (XFue2)

263 Why can't reporters actually be bothered with research?

Research: ask the guy in the next cube, "Hey, how's this sound?"

That's really all they're after- the sound.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 03:06 PM (tIhIY)

264 --checks the thread--
Woohoo! I get to be the pedant!

Not just revolver, pump, and lever. There's also break-action and bolt-action.

Pistols, Rifles, and Shotguns all have models of those as well.
Posted by: makatta at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (Y7Qzg)

Dammit, you beat me to it.

Posted by: Semper Why at October 04, 2017 03:06 PM (L8TEz)

265 -- Zero Hedge
Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (XMDuf)

Did you see the comments on the dead shooter pic post last night at ZH? "By now the real shooters are back in Tel Aviv", etc.

Those people are into some serious JOOOO conspiracy shit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2017 03:06 PM (Mouru)

266 258 You know why they look that way?
Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (I3yVB)

Hitler?

Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 03:06 PM (XMDuf)

267 Valium is a chill pill.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 03:06 PM (LjR2k)

268 Nonsense - everyone knows Flathead screws are way more deadly. That's just scientific fact.

Posted by: broseidon on even newer magic glowy rectangle at October 04, 2017 03:06 PM (88Bzi)

269 PR can renege on its debt if it allows the whole island to be used as a shooting range

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 04, 2017 03:06 PM (6X9zF)

270 These clowns are willfully ignorant. They think guns are yucky and so abhor them they want nothing to do with them, so they never learn anything about them. Like they'll get bad karma for knowing something about them. There's also the "innocence' that is implied in knowing nothing about guns. Once you start sharing knowledge about guns, you are instantly seen by the left as a nut.

Posted by: Dang at October 04, 2017 03:07 PM (8b+oT)

271 Also, I really didn't know anything about bump stocks before this terrible shooting. Not a thing. I have seen videos of idiots bump firing weapons and thought it looked really stupid, dangerous, and poorly controlled.

If I ever found myself near one of these people at a range I would GTFO smartly and contact the range officer to tell him to pull his head out and eject the fools.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (jhqr1)

Right. Bump stocks are dangerous, stupid, and a waste of ammo but all they do is replace the beer gut of a stupid cargo shorts wearing redneck with a spring built in to the stock.

It's not... complicated.

Or is it something you can outlaw, because you can get a spring, like, anywhere. And even if you couldn't, you could go back to using your beer gut as a spring.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:07 PM (wmaTe)

272 Ace,

You could be the Gordon Ramsey of Op-Ed writers.

I love it. No one out there can out cuss you.

Seriously, have you ever heard the way Ramsey can use the word "shit"? He's good, but you are the champion. He should take lessons or something.

More cussing, please.

Posted by: Denny Crane! at October 04, 2017 03:07 PM (rDLZI)

273 180. Ppsh41, ftw.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at October 04, 2017 03:07 PM (fA1SL)

274 >>>Bump stocks are totally worthless and nobody would want one anyway and you can't hit anything while using them! And don't try taking them away!

yeah I don't really get this. Automatic weapons are already inaccurate, and now you're adding in a gizmo that actually makes the whole gun move back and forth (and you know there must also be lateral and up and down movement too -- there's no such thing as perfect gliding movement).

It's a fun little thing, and sure, I wouldn't mind owning one, but it's really a toy. And I'm not against toys. But given that its actual practical use is really just as a fun toy, and its potential use is making a semi-auto into a less-accurate assault rifle, I don't know if the benefit outweighs the downsides.

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2017 03:07 PM (8rNrN)

275 h/t

and I read your comment a few days ago regarding your dad (if you are here right now). Same situation over here. Hang in there. Sleepless nights, stress beyond words. Family.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 03:03 PM (fceHP)

*smishes*

Prayers for you and yours that everything will work out fine.

I did have a hilarious conversation with the admissions lady at the rehab place we want to move him to where I asked if they took his insurance and she said well yes and no and I said let me guess you opened your new location and the insurance company screwed up if you're in network and she replied I see you've dealt with insurance companies.

They moved like two miles. Same company. Same facility. They are now directly across from the little local hospital which is the main network hospital. NO NETWORK FOR YOU!

You will be stunned to hear that no one at the insurance company has any idea how this happened or how to fix it.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:07 PM (mf5HN)

276 Well, my stylist is back from Puerto Rico. Off to get re-blonded and styled.

Later.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 03:07 PM (PY9jH)

277 although I really don't understand the Left's argument

"the guy didn't use silencers so we must ban them!"

they are basically endorsing what he did then?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at October 04, 2017 03:07 PM (hMwEB)

278

I'm getting so tired of hearing all of the lies out there. The fake news. The propaganda.

Thank goodness for Ace, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, even Steve Bannon, as well as this guy (link to truthrevolt.org), who tells it like it is:

Video: What They're NOT Telling You About the Las Vegas Massacre
The Left's hatred and hypocrisy in response to a killing spree.

http://bit.ly/2hO5Ozn

We are ALL grieving. We ALL care. None of us want to see this happen.

The left should be ashamed of themselves for what they are doing to this country.

I have to admit I even went over to infowars to see what they are saying. There was one video there that had such clarity of the actual shooting and it was deeply disturbing.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 03:08 PM (fceHP)

279 "145 They had repeaters in the old west."

Even during the American Civil War (War of Northern Aggression!!!) some impressive repeating rifles were beginning to be used, although they were still too expensive for either side to use them in large amounts. There were some units, such as Wilder's Brigade of Mounted Cavalry, which used them exclusively, and with devastating impact, in the closing stages of that war. They were all armed with either the 7 shot Spencer repeating rifle, or the 15 shot Henry, probably the most technically advanced rifle available at the time.

Wilder's Brigade became well known for chewing up any unit they came up against.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 03:08 PM (k1TUh)

280 242 Melania's boobs look yuge in the top she was wearing.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (PY9jH)

Without pictures you're just teasing us.

Posted by: joncelli, making everything sound lascivious at October 04, 2017 03:08 PM (RD7QR)

281 Thank you, Horde, for all the prayers. It means a lot.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:01 PM (mf5HN)

Prayers for continued healing atc.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:08 PM (Ri/rl)

282 265 Those people are into some serious JOOOO conspiracy shit.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 04, 2017 03:06 PM (Mouru)

ZH is to Da Jooz :: Takimag is to Blacks (even before BLM was a thing).

Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 03:08 PM (XMDuf)

283 I'm not a "gun guy," but I own guns and am around guns and am friends with gun guys.

And yet I know ten thousand times more about guns then the "experts" voxplaining guns to me in the media.

Something is off with this picture.

Shit, guys, at the very least, peruse wikipedia before you post something on a subject where you clearly know nothing.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:08 PM (wmaTe)

284
We must regulate copper and lead.
Posted by: Hillary at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (XFue2)

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Lead is HEAVILY regulated already.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 03:08 PM (8XRCm)

285 52 The best hot take / nuclear strike combo so far was Gloria Steinem saying that guns for men should be regulated the same as abortions for women.

Instapundit replied "So they can buy them at age 13 without parental knowledge or consent?".

The crater is visible from orbit.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (3J/L

Someone call the burn unit. Emergency inbound.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 03:08 PM (FZ6Cu)

286 And then, there's this sub-normal intellect

http://tinyurl.com/ybeobmq3

Guns, being objects have no rights. Evidently she dreams of living in, I dunno Qatar where women have none, either.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 03:08 PM (TZPec)

287 I've seen exactly one bolt action shotgun in my life, and that was so long ago I don't remember who owned it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 03:08 PM (QQ+il)

288 Leftists: "You MUST be a PhD-holding EXPURT to even TALK about climate change!"

Also leftists: "All I need to know about guns is that they always kill people!"

Posted by: Saber Alter at October 04, 2017 03:09 PM (YZ7Go)

289 Jackal, good stuff. "Gun Jesus" (Karl) at In-Range is a funny watchable gun-geek of the best sort. His partner there sometimes scares me, though.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:09 PM (QDnY+)

290 Automatic rounds. Is that like "automatic" popcorn?

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 03:09 PM (NMCva)

291 Before I go, AtC and artisanal 'ette, prayers for your dads. It's tough. Hang in there.

{{hugs}}

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 03:09 PM (PY9jH)

292 >>Why can't reporters actually be bothered with research?

They've outsourced research to think tamks and advocacy groups?
Much easier to call up your contact at the Brady Campaign, Everytown USA, or DNC and and just ask 'em to email some helpful stats/talking points.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 04, 2017 03:09 PM (W+vEI)

293 1905? The first successful self-loading (semi-automatic) rifle was the Mannlicher M85, and the first pistol was the Borchardt C93, both of whose model numbers match the last two digits of their year of introduction... in the 1800s.

Posted by: Fishbreath at October 04, 2017 03:09 PM (mrlXS)

294 Apropos of nothing .36 .38 .38spl .357 and 9mm are all the same caliber.

Posted by: Grump928(C) remembers close encounters at October 04, 2017 02:41 PM (QQ+il)

But they each have a different fashion sense.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 04, 2017 03:09 PM (8gDQu)

295 Melania's boobs look yuge in the top she was wearing.

Hold it- WAS wearing?!

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 03:09 PM (kuiuS)

296 No matter how many times my brain sees:

"Bump stocks"

It reads it as:

"Bumper stocks"

Ya know, like "bumper crops".

It's quite annoying.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla glockenspiel at October 04, 2017 03:10 PM (WEFox)

297 The best hot take / nuclear strike combo so far was Gloria Steinem saying that guns for men should be regulated the same as abortions for women.

There is a lot of spectacularly stupid crap being posted right now. Its like a festival of retards.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 03:10 PM (TZPec)

298 Hold it- WAS wearing?!

The Paolo is a gentleman and will say no more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 03:10 PM (TZPec)

299 How do people get away with snarking at the Blue Checkmark brigade without being banned from the Twittah Machine?

Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 03:10 PM (XMDuf)

300 Not only did Stephen Paddock capture the chaos inside his Mandalay Bay hotel suite on video, but now FBI officials are looking to see where he streamed the live footage.

FBI sources said the Mandalay Bay shooter may have used the hotel's WiFi or hard-wired internet backbone to stream the footage offshore.

FBI sources would not divulge what international locations they are targeting.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 04, 2017 03:10 PM (PonGo)

301 yeah I don't really get this. Automatic weapons are already inaccurate, and now you're adding in a gizmo that actually makes the whole gun move back and forth (and you know there must also be lateral and up and down movement too -- there's no such thing as perfect gliding movement).

It's a fun little thing, and sure, I wouldn't mind owning one, but it's really a toy. And I'm not against toys. But given that its actual practical use is really just as a fun toy, and its potential use is making a semi-auto into a less-accurate assault rifle, I don't know if the benefit outweighs the downsides.

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2017 03:07 PM (8rNrN)

there's a reason you don't see a ton of them out there. Because they make your gun a) super inaccurate and b) more dangerous then it needs to be while also wasting a lot of ammo.

But it's literally just a spring. That's the big, badass, scary modification to the gun.

A spring.

And frankly, the asshole in vegas probably would have killed more people in his 72-minute rampage if he hadn't been using bump stocks, so we should be grateful that he seemingly knows nothing about guns, too.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:10 PM (wmaTe)

302
267 Valium is a chill pill.
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 03:06 PM (LjR2k)

That's an awfully big dose. They gave my son those before lasik surgery and he seemed really high. He's a big boy too.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (Ri/rl)

303 Basically
Whatever you want, they'll take it away because unpeople
And gosh wow it's all so complicated therefore loopholes for devious unpeople.
So take them away.

But really, you're just a stand in for all those scary black people they can't mention being afraid of.

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (NO0sR)

304 Trump now meeting with first responders in Vegas.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (Enq6K)

305
http://tinyurl.com/yb62az6q

WATCH THIS FULL AUTO LEVER ACTION WITH A BUMP STOCK!!!!

(note.... If I have to add the sarc tag... Im gonna cut a bitch.)

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (8XRCm)

306 I've seen exactly one bolt action shotgun in my life, and that was so long ago I don't remember who owned it.

I had a Mossberg.410 bolt action that I got for my 16th birthday.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (ECUyd)

307 So, what type of rounds do the Tommy guns with the circular drum fire?

Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (GWm7j)

308 I am very tempted to start calling the American Revolution, The Time We Forgot To Hang Samuel Adams.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (0ljU1)

309 we've got a semi-auto pistol that shoots 357 Mag and 38 Special (you have to change springs between the two)

it's made by Coonan and is sweet as hell.

.coonaninc.com/showroom/coonan-classic-
stainless-steel-with-smooth-walnut-grips-base-model/

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (dL2qb)

310 290 Automatic rounds. Is that like "automatic" popcorn?
Posted by: Marcus T

The Jiffy Pop you make on the stove is semi-auto popcorn.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (89T5c)

311 I called my broker and purchased 500 shares of bump stock this morning.

It's up to a buck-380 a share.

Woo-hoo!

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (wo3jg)

312 228 Ace, it's case head (for rear of the case) - case mouth is the other (open) end, where the projectile (bullet) goes. I call the groove that creates a "rim effect" at the case head of certain calibers the extraction groove, though not sure that is the term in all cases.

Why doesn't garrett or Grump or some more sophistimicated gun-nut jump in here and learn ace some fancy gun talk, like explaining belted magnums. I know nothing about those.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:02 PM (QDnY+)

==================

Belted magnums headspace off the "belt" forward of the extractor groove instead of the shoulder or rim. It started with the .375 Holland and Holland magnum (I think) which didn't have enough of a shoulder to headspace against. Most modern magnums could headspace off the shoulder but the belt remains because its closely associated with the "Magnum" moniker (I.e. consumers might not buy a magnum labeled round without a belt) and probably because it adds some strength. The belt is not strictly required however for magnum velocities. Take a look at some of the hotter .30-06 loadings for example. .276 Enfield and .280 Ross were damn close to 7mm Remington Magnum velocities as well.

Posted by: Jackal at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (8F3x1)

313 168 I'm not familiar with the .41 Magnum.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:57 PM (QQ+il)

It's an old caliber that pretty much fell out of use, but it's now making a comeback. It's a beast of a round.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (398bZ)

314 If not, do they know they should speak to experts on firearms before covering a firearms story?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 04, 2017 02:38 PM (wo3jg)

Putting a firearms expert in front of a camera risks giving airtime to someone who isn't opposed to private gun ownership.

Posted by: troyriser at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (Fw5cQ)

315 Has anybody linked to the Pew Research Center's study regarding church shootings?

I'm referring to the Pew Pew Pew-Pew study.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 04, 2017 03:12 PM (wPiJc)

316 >>>33
USAF Combat Weapons instructor, 22 years of military experience (ret), certified gunsmith, work in a gun store currently.

Cool.

Posted by: m at October 04, 2017 03:12 PM (7n0Ay)

317 was that just a stack of powder and balls in the barrel, such that
the first would fire, spark off the one behind it, firing it, which then
fires the next, etc...?

There's a modern version of this!

It's called "Metal Storm". They stack projectiles in tubes and electronically ignite the one nearest the exit, then the next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKlnMwuCZso

Posted by: bonhomme at October 04, 2017 03:12 PM (jhqr1)

318 yeah I don't really get this. Automatic weapons are already inaccurate, and now you're adding in a gizmo that actually makes the whole gun move back and forth (and you know there must also be lateral and up and down movement too -- there's no such thing as perfect gliding movement).

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2017 03:07 PM (8rNrN)

Accuracy isn't a thing with most automatic fire. As Stalin said (?) "quantity is a quality all it's own".

Besides, even with a rifle jumping here and there between shots it's probably still more accurate than the retards who shoot with their pistol sideways.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 04, 2017 03:12 PM (8gDQu)

319 307 So, what type of rounds do the Tommy guns with the circular drum fire?
Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (GWm7j)

I think .45 acp, but i could be wrong.

Google probably knows.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (wmaTe)

320 So, what type of rounds do the Tommy guns with the circular drum fire?
Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (GWm7j)

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.45 ACP

Same as if you use the stick mags.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (8XRCm)

321 99.9999% of legal gun owners never commit a murder with their guns. Left: ban all guns based on that .0001.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (FZ6Cu)

322 300 Not only did Stephen Paddock capture the chaos inside his Mandalay Bay hotel suite on video, but now FBI officials are looking to see where he streamed the live footage.

FBI sources said the Mandalay Bay shooter may have used the hotel's WiFi or hard-wired internet backbone to stream the footage offshore.

FBI sources would not divulge what international locations they are targeting.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 04, 2017 03:10 PM (PonGo)

Philippines is rumored. He is also rumored to be a arms dealer to that place as well.

I put more stock in this than Valium and video poker made him snap.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (XFue2)

323 Boy, if only he had a silencer, than nobody would have noticed their neighbor getting shot and collapsing in front of them.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (DxWUs)

324 Oh thank goodness I thought I was the only one who never heard of bump stock before this awfulness.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (mf5HN)

325 Again gun culture needs to think about their argument on this.

Bump stocks are totally worthless and nobody would want one anyway and you can't hit anything while using them! And don't try taking them away!

Meanwhile, the shooter had a dozen of them, used at least one, and killed a LOT of people.

Rethink rethink rethink.
Posted by: blaster

It's already been said.

Effective weapons were being created in sheds before the invention of electricity. banning any of the items being vilified, are pointless, especially from the "I love science sexually' crowd.

There is no way to prohibit the existence of a suppressor, or a bipod, or a bump stock. They are accessories, not weapon classes.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (326rv)

326 242 Melania's boobs look yuge in the top she was wearing.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 03:04 PM (PY9jH)

Thank you.

Posted by: Melania's Top at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (WEFox)

327 They may actually be legal in MO. I am pretty sure they are also legal in SC. But they are against FEDERAL law if if made after 1986.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (mpXpK)

Maybe, I know they're super expensive.

He also is not pleased at all the open carry. Figures. He has super special cop rights to conceal carry.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (Ri/rl)

328 So, what type of rounds do the Tommy guns with the circular drum fire?
Posted by: Yankeefifth

Magical ones that corkscrew.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (89T5c)

329 72 Minutes? What took the donut rollers so long to respond?

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (LjR2k)

330 289 Jackal, good stuff. "Gun Jesus" (Karl) at In-Range is a funny watchable gun-geek of the best sort. His partner there sometimes scares me, though.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:09 PM (QDnY+)

===========

Thats Ian, PBUH. Karl is the filthy Scandi Mauser lover with a really cool VW Thing.

Posted by: Jackal at October 04, 2017 03:14 PM (8F3x1)

331 So, what type of rounds do the Tommy guns with the circular drum fire?
Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (GWm7j)
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45 ACP

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 04, 2017 03:14 PM (dL2qb)

332 Rimmed for your pleasure.

Posted by: joncelli, making everything sound lascivious at October 04, 2017 02:43 PM

*shakes head*

You know, as soon as I hit 'post' I knew this would happen. This place.....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2017 03:14 PM (p+Wdc)

333 "315 Has anybody linked to the Pew Research Center's study regarding church shootings?

I'm referring to the Pew Pew Pew-Pew study."

You should be shot for that.

By a gun that goes PEW PEW PEW!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 03:14 PM (k1TUh)

334 Reflexive changes to law by our grifting bureaucrat overlords are far more dangerous than any damn bump stocks.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 03:14 PM (2wRtc)

335 Well if you have a whole bunch of people cornered having a bump stock would make it easier for you to pour rounds into the crowd before they stampede out.

Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 04, 2017 03:14 PM (GWm7j)

336 Valium is frequently prescribed before outpatient surgery. I got some to have a sty taken off my eye. They could have used a chainsaw and I would have been okay with it. Valium would have the opposite effect of stimulating a murderous rage. If this is the MSM's new theory then they are really hiding something.

Posted by: joncelli, making everything sound lascivious at October 04, 2017 03:14 PM (RD7QR)

337 I put more stock in this than Valium and video poker made him snap.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (XFue2)

I will say, as someone who has played video poker AND who has watched trailer park boys and knows Ray's pain -- it is a completely frustrating game where you feel like the machine is programmed to make you lose.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:15 PM (wmaTe)

338 Short bump stocks?

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 03:15 PM (LjR2k)

339 Forget the bumps and auto-mods for five minutes, and imagine the shooter with a dozen ARs and five dozen 30-round mags. How much of this five-minute time you are using to imagine this would be consumed by the firing of all 1800 rounds?

And how many of those would have been lethal?

Probably even more than were those fired in the bursts.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 04, 2017 03:15 PM (LeO/T)

340 72 Minutes? What took the donut rollers so long to respond?

What's the normal response time in that type of situation?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 04, 2017 03:15 PM (IcT7t)

341 It's an 88 Magnum! It shoots through schools!

Posted by: This ...is CBS at October 04, 2017 03:15 PM (O5Q3r)

342 >>>331 So, what type of rounds do the Tommy guns with the circular drum fire?
Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (GWm7j)
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45 ACP

...

yeah, and just so you know, submachine guns fire pistol ammunition, whereas assault rifles fire rifle ammunition. Well, a type of rifle ammunition. Most assault rifles have their own ammo type, but ammo resembles rifle ammunition in terms of length.

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2017 03:15 PM (8rNrN)

343 324 Oh thank goodness I thought I was the only one who never heard of bump stock before this awfulness.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (mf5HN)

I think it's because I'm a chick and they don't take me when they go shoot the 50 calibers and other assorted toys.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:15 PM (Ri/rl)

344 335 Well if you have a whole bunch of people cornered having a bump stock would make it easier for you to pour rounds into the crowd before they stampede out.
Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 04, 2017 03:14 PM (GWm7j)

He had 72 minutes before the cops got him.

And you can pull a trigger pretty quickly and more accurately with your finger then with using the recoil of the gun to hit a spring to hit the gun back in to your trigger finger.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:15 PM (wmaTe)

345 328
So, what type of rounds do the Tommy guns with the circular drum fire?

Posted by: Yankeefifth

Magical ones that corkscrew.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (89T5c)

LOL, I have seen the Thompson chambered for both the .45 acp which was the most popular and the .357 which was easier to control.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 03:15 PM (mpXpK)

346 300 Not only did Stephen Paddock capture the chaos inside his Mandalay Bay hotel suite on video, but now FBI officials are looking to see where he streamed the live footage.

FBI sources said the Mandalay Bay shooter may have used the hotel's WiFi or hard-wired internet backbone to stream the footage offshore.

FBI sources would not divulge what international locations they are targeting.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 04, 2017 03:10 PM (PonGo)

Now thats an interesting development.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 03:16 PM (FZ6Cu)

347 In other news, journalism schools forced to lower admission standards yet again.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 04, 2017 03:16 PM (1ISKN)

348 Apparently Tim Kaine claimed "He was only stopped finally because he did not have a silencer on his weapon".

Kaine, "that's right you guys should fight like my arrested son Just join antifa and use shivs: bats, and molotovs"

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 03:16 PM (FKrah)

349 >>Why can't reporters actually be bothered with research?

Our job descriptions categorically forbid it.

Posted by: Talking Heads at October 04, 2017 03:16 PM (WEFox)

350 Trump now meeting with first responders in Vegas.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (Enq6K)

----------------------
The security guard?

Posted by: RioBravo at October 04, 2017 03:16 PM (SsblQ)

351 Ace, I've seen you post about the show Psych for a while and decided to give it a spin needing a break from the chaos needing something light.

Thanks bro!

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:16 PM (XFue2)

352 Tommy guns were .45 ACP.

Also, I'm pretty sure all ammo has rimmed casings. Even semi auto, and further more, fully auto firearms need to seat the case in the chamber before striking the primer. If you did not, you would get a no fire (if the cartridge goes too far into the chamber) or you'd get a catastrophic explosion, if the cartridge does not go fully into the chamber.

Posted by: Inogame at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (ySZHT)

353 I will say, as someone who has played video poker AND who has watched trailer park boys and knows Ray's pain -- it is a completely frustrating game where you feel like the machine is programmed to make you lose.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Which by and large it is, but that's a topic for another time...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (AM1GF)

354 168 Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 04, 2017 02:57 PM (QQ+il)

.41 Magnum was a boutique round for the person convinced there was a ballistic sweet spot between .357 magnum and .44 magnum.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (SzZnW)

355 Feinstein has introduced a bill banning anything that can be used to increase the rate of fire of a semi-auto. Perfectly ingenious in its diabolical disingenuousness. Pistol grip, stock, forearm and attachments, sights, trigger...any of those things can be used to increase rate of fire.

Will it also outlaw fingers?!

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (O9qtX)

356 If he had used a silencer you wouldn't have been able to hear his live stream.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (LjR2k)

357 How do people get away with snarking at the Blue Checkmark brigade without being banned from the Twittah Machine?

As long as you are not absuive, use foul language, or threaten them, you're okay. Just giggling at them or being sarcastic is okay, long as you keep it fun or teasing rather than hateful.

In other words:

Patricia Arquette its already illegal to kill people with guns, you twit: OK

Arquette you ignorant slut, someone should slap some sense into you: NOT OK

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (TZPec)

358 Not only did Stephen Paddock capture the chaos inside his Mandalay Bay hotel suite on video, but now FBI officials are looking to see where he streamed the live footage.

FBI sources said the Mandalay Bay shooter may have used the hotel's WiFi or hard-wired internet backbone to stream the footage offshore.

FBI sources would not divulge what international locations they are targeting.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 04, 2017 03:10 PM (PonGo)

Holy hell.

Holy hell.

Last night when I was talking to Bander I asked him if my thought that maybe Shooty McLoser Boy live streamed the shooting was Alex Jones cray cray or not.

Bander said it was Alex Jones cray cray and that made me feel a little bit better because, hey, at least I knew I was being a conspiracy theorist.

Holy hell.

Holy hell.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (mf5HN)

359 It's an old caliber that pretty much fell out of use, but it's now making a comeback. It's a beast of a round.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (398bZ)

I have a 1912-manufactured Colt Army revolver that fires the .41 Long Colt--the last standard issue Colt revolver made for the US Army (it came in various calibers). Government orders for it stopped with the advent of the 1911 semiautomatic. Can't speak to the .41 Magnum, but the .41 Long Colt is a sweet, sweet round.

I allow myself to shoot that Colt once a year. It shoots like a dream.

Posted by: troyriser at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (Fw5cQ)

360 350 Trump now meeting with first responders in Vegas.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (Enq6K)

----------------------
The security guard?
Posted by: RioBravo at October 04, 2017 03:16 PM (SsblQ)

Bellboy? Maid service?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (XFue2)

361 If he was taking Valium and diazeprom, it could just be an indication that he was truly experiencing extreme and increasing anxiety in the months preceeding the attack.

It could easily be the case that the Valium and whatever else just failed, and ended up doing nothing for him. He maybe should have been taking horse tranquilizers to keep the crazee from bursting out the way it finally did.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (k1TUh)

362 Full auto is for suppressing fire and a last ditch effort to dump all you got before being over run.

The term 'Spray and pray' was coined for a reason.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2017 03:18 PM (UyKzE)

363 Will it also outlaw fingers?!

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (O9qtX)

Soccer guns!!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 04, 2017 03:18 PM (8gDQu)

364 99 >Technically, this is a gun thread. Right?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 02:50 PM (PY9jH)

242 >Melania's boobs look yuge in the top she was wearing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 03:04
PM (PY9jH)
..........

I knew we'd get there.

Posted by: wth at October 04, 2017 03:18 PM (HgMAr)

365 A Thompson shoots 9mm

Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 04, 2017 03:18 PM (LeO/T)

366 you can EXPLAIN it to them all you want.

you can NEVER UNDERSTAND it for them.

Posted by: WaldoTJ (in Texas) at October 04, 2017 03:18 PM (M1MpJ)

367 346 Now thats an interesting development.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 03:16 PM (FZ6Cu)

Maybe my instincts are failing me this time around (they're usually pretty good), but I feel like a bureaucracy that's usually all about "Nothing to Do With Islam" is way too eager to tie this dude to ISIS.

I STILL can't help but feel like they're trying to cover up a tie to Antifa or some other Commie cause...

Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 03:18 PM (XMDuf)

368 332 Rimmed for your pleasure.

Posted by: joncelli, making everything sound lascivious at October 04, 2017 02:43 PM

*shakes head*

You know, as soon as I hit 'post' I knew this would happen. This place.....
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2017 03:14 PM (p+Wdc)

I hate to disappoint people. I'm just a giver that way.

Posted by: joncelli, making everything sound lascivious at October 04, 2017 03:18 PM (RD7QR)

369 I'm so sick at being lectured about guns by people who either
a) know nothing about guns
or
b) lie about guns to people to who know nothing about guns.

It's beyond obnoxious.

It would be like me lecturing people about make up.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:18 PM (wmaTe)

370 Short bump stocks?

Short crop yields

My brain has fried a circuit. I am not even a farm girl & yet it keeps defaulting to other terms.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla glockenspiel at October 04, 2017 03:18 PM (WEFox)

371 And how many of those would have been lethal?

Probably even more than were those fired in the bursts.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 04, 2017 03:15 PM (LeO/T)

That's what I thought too. I didn't understand what a bump stock was. I thought it would make your firing inaccurate.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:19 PM (Ri/rl)

372 Oh thank goodness I thought I was the only one who never heard of bump stock before this awfulness.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (mf5HN)

I think it's because I'm a chick and they don't take me when they go shoot the 50 calibers and other assorted toys.

Posted by: CaliGirl

I had to look it up too. I just assumed you don't hear about it much because it's for suckers...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at October 04, 2017 03:19 PM (AM1GF)

373 He practiced with the bump stock to understand the accuracy effects.

They estimated the distance from his window to aiming point as about 900-1000 meters. The trajectory for that round is about 600-800 meters for accurate fire. But I've seen longer shots out to 1000. He obviously lobbed those rounds into the crowd. With that size target area it was pretty elementary. Murderous monster of a mother fucker. Rot in hell.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 03:19 PM (NMCva)

374 >>>>There's a modern version of this!

It's called "Metal Storm". They stack projectiles in tubes and electronically ignite the one nearest the exit, then the next.

...

I know, that's what I was thinking of. I cannot think of any way a flitlock could fire "automatically" without barrell-stacked charges.

but with no advnced electronic firing controls, it would all be fired according to when/if the last bullet's heat ignites it.

seems like you could have a lot of fire stoppages, and worse yet, mutliple charges firing at the same time, which would probably blow up the barrel.

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2017 03:19 PM (8rNrN)

375 Many beat me to Y5's answer - 45ACP.

And red I mentioned the Coonan waay up above as a (rare) example of a rimmed cartridge semi-auto.

PPsh-41, dang, they certainly seemed handy for the task at hand - documentary and fictional WWII eastern front materials show Germans using them quite a bit. And I love how entire rifle divisions were equipped with them on the Soviet side, for urban warfare.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:19 PM (QDnY+)

376 Gatling's crank machine gun used paper cartridges and then rim fire brass cartridges.
Basic principle behind the GAU-8 Avenger 30mm cannon, although upgraded and mechanized, came from Gatling's machine gun.

Posted by: Speller at October 04, 2017 03:19 PM (pSotA)

377 FBI sources would not divulge what international locations they are targeting.

Fly, 4chan monkeys, fly! And do it before we ban cameras, the internet, and encryption.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 03:19 PM (pszv/)

378 361 If he was taking Valium and diazeprom, it could just be an indication that he was truly experiencing extreme and increasing anxiety in the months preceeding the attack.

It could easily be the case that the Valium and whatever else just failed, and ended up doing nothing for him. He maybe should have been taking horse tranquilizers to keep the crazee from bursting out the way it finally did.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (k1TUh)

The Valium was to keep him from getting too hyped up while mowing the crowd down in a hail of gunfire.

Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 03:19 PM (XMDuf)

379 At the first mass driving terrorist attack in the US, imagonna look right at Jay Leno's vehicle collection and say...Really, does any one man need that many?".

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 04, 2017 03:19 PM (EyPfd)

380 Very good piece. There are exceptions but most are from the early era of guns or are from the Brits who stuck with the rimmed .303 forever.

Posted by: geoffb at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (zOpu5)

381 Did he live stream his actions to any jihadi website for them to use it as propaganda? Hopefully the FBI is checking to see if he has had communication with radical groups in south Philippines.

Posted by: IC at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (a0IVu)

382 If you machine gun hundreds of people in the middle of a city but you use a silencer.....

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (LjR2k)

383 Short crop yields

My brain has fried a circuit. I am not even a farm girl & yet it keeps defaulting to other terms.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla glockenspiel at October 04, 2017 03:18 PM (WEFox)

I'm a farm girl. We say low or high yield.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (Ri/rl)

384 By a gun that goes PEW PEW PEW!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 03:14 PM (k1TUh)

You called, mon cheri?

Posted by: Pepe Le Pew at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (hLRSq)

385 alex, maybe he was streaming it to his sweetheart in the , philippians , indonesia or australia or wherever

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (FKrah)

386 Before I go, AtC and artisanal 'ette, prayers for your dads. It's tough. Hang in there.

{{hugs}}
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 04, 2017 03:09 PM (PY9jH)

thanks
(sorry, I'm in the kitchen being the Good Wife, lol, cooking)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (fceHP)

387 Isn't time to ban all ELECTRIC GUITARS!?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FMLMRWONZMU

Posted by: bergerbilder at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (lIZQs)

388 >>>>300 Not only did Stephen Paddock capture the chaos inside his Mandalay
Bay hotel suite on video, but now FBI officials are looking to see where
he streamed the live footage.

FBI sources said the Mandalay Bay shooter may have used the hotel's
WiFi or hard-wired internet backbone to stream the footage offshore.

FBI sources would not divulge what international locations they are targeting.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 04, 2017 03:10 PM (PonGo)

Philippines is rumored. He is also rumored to be a arms dealer to that place as well.

I put more stock in this than Valium and video poker made him snap.
.
.
.That makes sense seeing as he allegedly put up cameras in various areas of the hotel.

And my money is on Duabi.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (+Dllb)

389 Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (ECUyd)

First shotgun I ever shot with regularly (i.e. not just a few rounds at camp) was a 16ga (I think it was 16) Mossberg without a model number that my friend borrowed from his dad.
It was a bolt action with a removable 3 round cartridge and an adjustable choke. Crazy thing.
Unpacked it once at the range and a guy came over and said "holy shit, I haven't seen one of those since I was a kid" and offered us $1000 for it. (He called it a "ted Williams" model but I think that was a different one.)

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (dzmBR)

390 Whoever posted above about how the media demands only experts with degrees in the field be allowed to talk about climate change yet pontificate with shocking ignorance about guns is dead on. Its a meme begging to be made.

You know, for kids
-Hudsucker Proxy

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (TZPec)

391 I wuz wrong. A Tommygun shoots 45 ACP. An MP5 shoots nines.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (LeO/T)

392 Couldn't a 3-D printer very easily make a bump stock compared to other gun parts?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:21 PM (XFue2)

393 Oh thank goodness I thought I was the only one who never heard of bump stock before this awfulness.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (mf5HN)

----

They're out there.... but...

Id never use one.

Depsite the left claims to the contrary.... semi auto civillian"assault" rifles are NOT designed (for war) to the same specs as issued combat weapons.

Without getting into bolt carrier and reciever nerd-dom.... you are forcing a rate of fire thorugh a weapon not deigned for it.

A very good way to lose eyes, fingers etc.

And... for the record.... it is ILLEGAL to posses full auto rated bolt carriers and receivers.... as in the BATFE will send you to Federal PMITA prison.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 03:21 PM (8XRCm)

394 I STILL can't help but feel like they're trying to cover up a tie to Antifa or some other Commie cause...
Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 03:18 PM (XMDuf)

I get the same feeling. Better ISIS than Antifa. Would it be a mind fuck if the only people being honest in this story was ISIS, who said hes one of ours?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 03:21 PM (FZ6Cu)

395 So, what type of rounds do the Tommy guns with the circular drum fire?

---
45 ACP

That's why they pack more of a wallop than the MP-40 and PPSH-41.

Posted by: gewa76 at October 04, 2017 03:22 PM (8HVXo)

396 The Valium was to keep him from getting too hyped up while mowing the crowd down in a hail of gunfire.
Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 03:19 PM (

10 mg is a huge dose.
They also gave my son 10mg of Valium pre-op for his wisdom teeth removal and he seemed wasted.
My husband had to help him walk. He's a big boy.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:22 PM (Ri/rl)

397 Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:07 PM (mf5HN)

thanks, same to you

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 03:22 PM (fceHP)

398 I had to look it up too. I just assumed you don't hear about it much because it's for suckers..

I'd heard of it before but dismissed it because it sounded like one of those "hold my beer" ideas that technically works but is pointless and stupid.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 03:22 PM (TZPec)

399 352 Tommy guns were .45 ACP.

Also, I'm pretty sure all ammo has rimmed casings. Even semi auto, and further more, fully auto firearms need to seat the case in the chamber before striking the primer. If you did not, you would get a no fire (if the cartridge goes too far into the chamber) or you'd get a catastrophic explosion, if the cartridge does not go fully into the chamber.
Posted by: Inogame at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (ySZHT)

=============

What you're referring to is how the round headspaces (positioned and secured) into the chamber. True "Rimmed" (and semi-rimmed) cartridges rely on a rim on the cartridge to secure the case. Belted magnums do more or less the same thing with the belt at the case head. "Unrimmed" cases (really, cases with the rim the same diameter as the rest of the case) headspace off the shoulder, which is the angled area of the case just aft of the bullet itself. Pistol rounds headspace off the mouth of the case in most instances I think if they are unrimmed.

Posted by: Jackal at October 04, 2017 03:22 PM (8F3x1)

400 Just imagine if Paddock was live streaming that video to a high rollers party in Hollywood, and if there was video of people like George Clooney jumping up and fist pumping every time he dumped another clip into the country music fans below.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 03:22 PM (k1TUh)

401 @344

Well he probably did not expect to have 72 min. Nuts as he was he does seem to have had some reasonably good planning and execution. He likely had some reason for using bump stocks if he did.

Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 04, 2017 03:22 PM (GWm7j)

402 Actually, an MP3 shoots 9mm. The MP5 is .40, IIRC.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 04, 2017 03:22 PM (eytER)

403 Valium makes you sleepy, like too much wine. I feel like a noodle when I take it. Also makes me snore. As a cause for a shooting rampage? I don't see it. Valium is practically as widespread as Tylenol. Half of America probably has Valium or Ativan or whatever they're calling it today in their medicine cabinet.

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 03:23 PM (lwiT4)

404 BTW Valium was commonly prescribed to people with Parkinson's Disease to offset the negative side effects of L-DOPA

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 03:23 PM (mpXpK)

405 392 Couldn't a 3-D printer very easily make a bump stock compared to other gun parts?
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:21 PM (XFue2)

Or a guy with a saw, a spring, a few hinges / stops, and some glue.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:23 PM (wmaTe)

406 Islamic Rage Boy (or anyone else),

Where are you getting this...

Not only did Stephen Paddock capture the chaos inside his Mandalay Bay hotel suite on video, but now FBI officials are looking to see where he streamed the live footage.

FBI sources said the Mandalay Bay shooter may have used the hotel's WiFi or hard-wired internet backbone to stream the footage offshore.

FBI sources would not divulge what international locations they are targeting.

...from? I can't find it anywhere.

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2017 03:23 PM (8rNrN)

407 any of those things can be used to increase rate of fire.

Also, practice, skill, and experience can.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 03:23 PM (H0quv)

408 350 Trump now meeting with first responders in Vegas.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (Enq6K)

----------------------
The security guard?

Posted by: RioBravo at October 04, 2017 03:16 PM (SsblQ)

Not sure if he was there or not. He might still be in the hospital.

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 03:23 PM (Enq6K)

409 Actually, an MP3 shoots 9mm. The MP5 is .40, IIRC.

I don't recall correctly. Sorry.

But that makes me qualified as a MSM firearms "expert."

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 04, 2017 03:23 PM (eytER)

410 Always trust the round gun, son. Don't jam, ain't finicky

Posted by: Words ( not dreams ) from my father at October 04, 2017 03:23 PM (Co9e8)

411 Valium is anti seizure and used as a muscle relaxer. It's also used to taper off legal and illegal drugs. Out of all the sedatives it's probably has the least amounts of bad side effects.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:24 PM (XFue2)

412 i didn't know they prescribed valium any longer, i thought ativan or xanax

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 03:24 PM (FKrah)

413 I use an automatic knife to carve turkey and roast beef. I cut the bread with a semi-automatic knife, and when I cut the cheese I don't use a knife at all, although sometimes it feels like I did.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at October 04, 2017 03:24 PM (kfcYC)

414 Well he probably did not expect to have 72 min. Nuts as he was he does seem to have had some reasonably good planning and execution. He likely had some reason for using bump stocks if he did.
Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 04, 2017 03:22 PM (GWm7j)

the conspiracy theorist in me says he did it to "raise awareness" of how any mentally unstable asshole can rig up a "fully automatic gun" and buy enough weapons for a small army and kill a bunch of people.

(I'm still assuming he was a leftist, even if "inspired by ISIS").

That's subject to change at any time.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:24 PM (wmaTe)

415 I'm so sick at being lectured about guns by people who either
a) know nothing about guns

I don't anything about guns, but I know the feeling; I have the same one when people start talking about nutrition, drugs, and other chemistry-related matters. Having said that, fans of homeopathy are the absolute worst in this regard.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 04, 2017 03:24 PM (SRKgf)

416 10 mg is a huge dose.

They also gave my son 10mg of Valium pre-op for his wisdom teeth removal and he seemed wasted.

My husband had to help him walk. He's a big boy.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:22 PM (Ri/rl)
========================

10 mg? I doubt if anyone could stay awake on 10 mg

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 03:25 PM (lwiT4)

417 (sorry, I'm in the kitchen being the Good Wife, lol, cooking)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (fceHP)

artisanal ette, prayers sent for you and your whole family too.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:25 PM (Ri/rl)

418 Feinstein has introduced a bill banning anything that can be used to increase the rate of fire of a semi-auto. Perfectly ingenious in its diabolical disingenuousness. Pistol grip, stock, forearm and attachments, sights, trigger...any of those things can be used to increase rate of fire.

Will it also outlaw fingers?!
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (O9qtX)

Pulled that right out of her desk where it has been waiting, huh.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 04, 2017 03:25 PM (rgkQJ)

419 That's why they pack more of a wallop than the MP-40 and PPSH-41.
Posted by: gewa76 at October 04, 2017 03:22 PM (8HVXo)

----

PPSH-41

7.62x25 Tok.

Capper washed steel jacket traveling at a zippy 1800 ft per second.

Packs plenty of "wallop". Defeats body armor.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 03:25 PM (8XRCm)

420 I would undertake to rewrite Ace's article in it's entirety, but by time I finished, the thread would be dead and we'd be damn near ONT time.

We've got some pretty damn knowledgeable gunnies and highly skilled shooters whut hang 'round these parts.

I'd propose that we vet a short list of true experts, with whom Ace or other COBs might have "clean up" any major posts for technical misstatements or other errant aspects therein.

We DO want AoS gun editorials to be as Error Free as possible, yes?

I'll submit it to Teh Horde here, and again in the ONT.

Who ought to be on that list of AoS gun experts? And don't nominate someone because they're a favorite, or yourself, just out of ego.

I'm not talking "expert" in the sense of only arcane, historical nomenclature minutia. But rather, the real world, safety, marksmanship, operation, accuracy and all around knowledge of weapons, systems, most legalities (can get Branca for the deep stuff?), etc.

For example. Upthread, it was claimed that .380, 9mm, .38 Spl. & .357 mag are the same "caliber". Not so.

My Pedant ballistician self reveals that the .380 and 9mm are both .355 diameter projectiles, with the .38 Spl. & .357 mag, being both, .357 diameter projectiles.

The naming and measuring conventions wherein the .38 Special evolved with the same projectile diameter as the 1855 Colt .36 Navy, is an article to itself. No need to go into it here.

But, our experts also need to possess the talent to accurately DESCRIBE the thing(s) in question, and thus benefit Ace and/or the COBs by their efforts.

What say ye, Horde?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 04, 2017 03:25 PM (MGCfm)

421 392 Couldn't a 3-D printer very easily make a bump stock compared to other gun parts?
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:21 PM (XFue2)

Or a guy with a saw, a spring, a few hinges / stops, and some glue.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:23 PM (wmaTe)

So the hysteria about bump stocks is even more ridiculous than I previously thought,

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:25 PM (XFue2)

422 >>>>I know, that's what I was thinking of. I cannot think of any way a
flitlock could fire "automatically" without barrell-stacked charges.

but with no advnced electronic firing controls, it would all be fired according to when/if the last bullet's heat ignites it.

seems like you could have a lot of fire stoppages, and worse yet,
mutliple charges firing at the same time, which would probably blow up
the barrel.

.
.
.
.Ace it's not "automatic" fire, it was a "repeating" rifle, the first semi-auto if you will. You had to move a lever to get the next shot(s) lined up with the bore with the powder charge behind it.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 04, 2017 03:25 PM (+Dllb)

423 I'm so sick at being lectured about guns by people who either
a) know nothing about guns
or
b) lie about guns to people to who know nothing about guns.

It's beyond obnoxious.

It would be like me lecturing people about make up.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:18 PM (wmaTe)

It's like me giving advice on child rearing.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (mf5HN)

424 Were they heat-seeking?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (oVJmc)

425 Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:13 PM (mf5HN)

FWIW, AtC I was only vaguely aware of it having stumbled across some youtube videos about 8 months back while looking at parts for my AR build.
I couldn't tell you how they worked though other than "something about the recoil."

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (dzmBR)

426 Valium would have helped that bash....

Posted by: Lou Reed at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (Co9e8)

427 Having said that, fans of homeopathy are the absolute worst in this regard.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 04, 2017 03:24 PM (SRKgf)
Essential oil folks are even worse....it can cure everything, including autism!!

Posted by: IC at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (a0IVu)

428 i have settled on the thought the 72 minutes was the police making sure whether all the calls coming in from other casinos were also accurate. and they had More than one shpooter, groups of shooters shooting to find

Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (FKrah)

429 198 170 142 80 Guns, like vaginas, are super complicated.
__________________________________

And equally unforgiving.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 04, 2017 02:55 PM (wo3jg)

No AR has ever asked if it's in yet.
______________________________________

No AR has ever taken your house and 50 percent of your income when your relationship with it is over.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 04, 2017 03:00 PM (wo3jg)

--------------------
Hey, don't blame us...we're just along for the ride. That's like blaming the gun for what the shooter does.

Posted by: Vaginas Everywhere at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (WEFox)

430 PPsh-41, dang, they certainly seemed handy for the task at hand - documentary and fictional WWII eastern front materials show Germans using them quite a bit. And I love how entire rifle divisions were equipped with them on the Soviet side, for urban warfare.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:19 PM (QDnY+)

==========

Yeah, that's a cartridge (along with .30 carbine) that realy muddies the distinction between a pistol round and a intermediate round.

Posted by: Jackal at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (8F3x1)

431 FBI sources would not divulge what international locations they are targeting.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 04, 2017 03:10 PM (PonGo)

Now thats an interesting development.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 03:16 PM (FZ6Cu)

I'm not sure we'll ever know the truth now. Not sure. Trump usually spills the truth out.

Too much stuff being thrown out there. I still think more people were involved, and this guy definitely could have been set up.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (fceHP)

432 Go watch some Combat videos. You'd be surprised how quickly someone on semi auto can pull a trigger under stress.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (NMCva)

433 10 mg? I doubt if anyone could stay awake on 10 mg
Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey! at October 04, 2017 03:25 PM (lwiT4)

That's the mg the news reports said he was prescribed. I don't know how accurate that is but again, that's a huge dose.
My boy is 6' 2 and about 225 and he was wasted.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (Ri/rl)

434 .45acp is a fun round.

Posted by: Grump928(C) blurts at October 04, 2017 03:27 PM (QQ+il)

435 394 I get the same feeling. Better ISIS than Antifa. Would it be a mind fuck if the only people being honest in this story was ISIS, who said hes one of ours?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 03:21 PM (FZ6Cu)

The MFM and the Obama Holdovers in the FBI (Antifa sympathizers the lot of them) sure as shit don't want us thinking about November 4, so blaming it on ISIS is a worthy distraction for them.

Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 03:27 PM (XMDuf)

436 International locations. The Lutherans are in Germany. That's international.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 03:27 PM (LjR2k)

437 Actually, an MP3 shoots 9mm. The MP5 is .40, IIRC.

An MP3 is a digital music file. LOL

MP5 fires 9x19mm Parabellum, same as the MP40 which is its predecessor.

Posted by: gewa76 at October 04, 2017 03:27 PM (8HVXo)

438 FBI sources said the Mandalay Bay shooter may have used the hotel's WiFi or hard-wired internet backbone to stream the footage offshore.

FBI sources would not divulge what international locations they are targeting.

...from? I can't find it anywhere.

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2017 03:23 PM (8rNrN)

I found it here but I have no idea about that site.

http://tinyurl.com/yb8r8bc2

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 03:27 PM (Enq6K)

439 Automatic rounds is a term I had not heard until today. FFS would someone just just tell them to shut the fuck up stop and learn simple concepts before pontificating.

Posted by: USNtakim at October 04, 2017 03:28 PM (0OmEj)

440 355 Feinstein has introduced a bill banning anything that can be used to increase the rate of fire of a semi-auto. Perfectly ingenious in its diabolical disingenuousness. Pistol grip, stock, forearm and attachments, sights, trigger...any of those things can be used to increase rate of fire.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 04, 2017 03:17 PM (O9qtX)

I have to keep in mind that the Dem's had two full years with full control and didn't touch gun control. They're not about to start now.

This is all virtue signaling. Kinda like the GOPe and Obamacare.

Posted by: WisRich at October 04, 2017 03:28 PM (G0vdT)

441 Will Feinstein also work to pass a bill outlawing mufflers? Cars kill more people than guns each year. If only they werent silenced!!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 04, 2017 03:28 PM (FZ6Cu)

442 An MP3 is a digital music file. LOL

MP5 fires 9x19mm Parabellum, same as the MP40 which is its predecessor.

MSNBC was my source.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at October 04, 2017 03:28 PM (eytER)

443 Just imagine if Paddock was live streaming that video to a high rollers party in Hollywood, and if there was video of people like George Clooney jumping up and fist pumping every time he dumped another clip into the country music fans below.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 03:22 PM (k1TUh)

I would prefer not to imagine such vileness.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Horde Special! Two Free Skepticism When the Outrage Outlet Caters Your Fall Freakout at October 04, 2017 03:28 PM (hLRSq)

444 "10 mg? I doubt if anyone could stay awake on 10 mg"

Hell, gimme that and a whisky chaser and I call that a good way to get the party started!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2017 03:28 PM (k1TUh)

445 I'm so sick at being lectured about guns by people who either
a) know nothing about guns
or
b) lie about guns to people to who know nothing about guns.

It's beyond obnoxious.

It would be like me lecturing people about make up.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:18 PM (wmaTe)

It's like me giving advice on child rearing.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (mf5HN)

========

Or me on how to pleasure a woman!

Posted by: Shep! at October 04, 2017 03:28 PM (vg8iE)

446 Well, technically, wouldn't those "metal-storm" systems use full-auto rounds?

Posted by: Tonic Dog at October 04, 2017 03:28 PM (iABIE)

447 For example. Upthread, it was claimed that .380, 9mm, .38 Spl. & .357 mag are the same "caliber". Not so.

----

Caliber is a measurment of bullet "size". Diameter. Nothing more.

Chambering or cartridge describes the round itself.

Pedant mode "off".

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 03:28 PM (8XRCm)

448 Thanks Jackal, yeah had that reversed. Ian is Gun Jesus. Love their stuff, quite interesting.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:28 PM (QDnY+)

449 In other news aviation fuel will turn your car into an airplane.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at October 04, 2017 03:28 PM (RHEDC)

450 439 Automatic rounds is a term I had not heard until today. FFS would someone just just tell them to shut the fuck up stop and learn simple concepts before pontificating.
Posted by: USNtakim at October 04, 2017 03:28 PM (0OmEj)

That's what I mean. They either are displaying their proud ignorance of such a lowly, middle america subject as firearms (ick); or they know they are absolutely making shit up to scare their upper class liberal viewers who also are icked out by guns (and more importantly, icked out by "gun people")

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:29 PM (wmaTe)

451 257 The NRA is taking a lot of heat.
Have they come out with a statement yet?

Posted by: Under Fire at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (mcI77)

I believe their policy is to not make any kind of statement after these type of events. Really, there's nothing they can say that won't be used to beat them up.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 04, 2017 03:29 PM (tu3iY)

452 Aren't the automatic rounds the ones that were designed to bounce off bones and cause as much internal damage as possible, automatically?

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 03:29 PM (H0quv)

453

What say ye, Horde?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 04, 2017 03:25 PM (MGCfm)

I nominate you and Rhomboid.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:29 PM (Ri/rl)

454 It's like me giving advice on child rearing.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (mf5HN)

I dunno, you've seen the pictures, I'd say your advice is working out OK

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 04, 2017 03:29 PM (dzmBR)

455 i have settled on the thought the 72 minutes was the police making sure whether all the calls coming in from other casinos were also accurate. and they had More than one shpooter, groups of shooters shooting to find
Posted by: willow at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (FKrah)

too much crap being floated. The video I was listening to of the shooting did make it sound like the gunshots were form different locations (although the angle of the building between the two windows may have muffled one), and there was a "rumor" that there was another gun shooting down the strip somewhere else at the same time.

who knows

24-48 rule? nope
will be a while, if ever

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 03:29 PM (fceHP)

456 419. That's a nice, zippy little round, ain't it? Stalin's Icepick, indeed.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at October 04, 2017 03:29 PM (Aybn7)

457
a) know nothing about guns

I don't anything about guns, but I know the feeling; I have the same one when people start talking about nutrition, drugs, and other chemistry-related matters. Having said that, fans of homeopathy are the absolute worst in this regard.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 04, 2017 03:24 PM (SRKgf)

Jay, is the alkaline diet bullshit vegan propaganda?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (XFue2)

458 Couldn't a 3-D printer very easily make a bump stock compared to other gun parts?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:21 PM (XFue2)

Or a guy with a saw, a spring, a few hinges / stops, and some glue.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:23 PM (wmaTe)

Or a rubber band:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5XzQ1BS7gU

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (oVJmc)

459 I made this point the other day. With a little bit of knowledge on triggers and sears, a few tools a person of average intelligence and skills could make a semi auto into full auto or even burst.

I guarantee you that a ban on bump stocks won't satiate the anti Second Amendment crowd. They are always like poking ahead. Always.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (NMCva)

460 Vaginas are not that complicated, you just need to make Sure owners go through training before they are given a permit to have one.

Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (GWm7j)

461 What say ye, Horde?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 04, 2017 03:25 PM (MGCfm)

I hereby nominate Jim and I'm not joking.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (mf5HN)

462 10 mikes of Valium will f*ck anyone up--that's horse tranquilizer territory

works well enough on teen girls

Posted by: Jimmy Saville at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (Co9e8)

463 Lee Child says the MP5 fires nine millimeter parabellums in the Jack Reacher novels.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (LjR2k)

464 451 257 The NRA is taking a lot of heat.
Have they come out with a statement yet?

Posted by: Under Fire at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (mcI77)

I believe their policy is to not make any kind of statement after these type of events. Really, there's nothing they can say that won't be used to beat them up.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 04, 2017 03:29 PM (tu3iY)

===========

GOA's already jangling the cup though. Got an email from them this AM.

Posted by: Jackal at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (8F3x1)

465 >>>>Having said that, fans of homeopathy are the absolute worst in this regard.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 04, 2017 03:24 PM (SRKgf)
Essential oil folks are even worse....it can cure everything, including autism!!
.
.
.Had a couple of insurance salesmen come into the VFW today trying to sell disability insurance. I pointed out to them that the average age of our members and guests was over 65 and they wouldn't get any benefit from disability insurance, but they still said that buying their product was a sound financial plan for everyone no matter what age they were.

I ignored them after that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 04, 2017 03:31 PM (+Dllb)

466 Actually, an MP3 shoots 9mm. The MP5 is .40, IIRC.

I don't recall correctly. Sorry.

But that makes me qualified as a MSM firearms "expert."
Posted by: WitchDoktor,

MP5 in 9mm.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 03:31 PM (ECUyd)

467 -
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Feinstein has introduced a bill banning anything that can be used to increase the rate of fire of a semi-auto.
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Isn't that a bill of attainder on Jerry Miculek?

Posted by: irright at October 04, 2017 03:31 PM (pMGkg)

468 I hereby nominate Jim and I'm not joking.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (mf5HN)

As an ode to the media, I nominate alex the chick to be the AoS expert on guns and slam dunks in basketball, and ace to be the AoS expert on hydration and screw drivers.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:31 PM (wmaTe)

469 I think they are just all piling on, its like a shark frenzy, where nobody is thinking they just all want to take a bite. Crazed, mindless, firing off tweets and posts and articles and sound bits without a slight of thought, research, or understanding. WE FINALLY CAN BAN GUNS!!!! they're thinking.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 03:31 PM (TZPec)

470 I could tell you a few things about child rearing.

Posted by: Harry Reid at October 04, 2017 03:32 PM (LjR2k)

471 461 Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (mf5HN)

Jim knows his stuff, as does Anna Puma.

It is important to get these things right, because people like Jazz "Hands" Shaw, and Ed Morrissey are looking for reasons to cave.

The media revels in being wrong most times, we are hurt by being wrong one time.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 04, 2017 03:32 PM (SzZnW)

472 Machine guns -- weapons that fire multiple shot with one pull of the
trigger -- have been technically illegal since the mid-1980s.
=======
No, as I'm sure others have pointed out--he is FIFTY FUCKING YEARS OFF!!!

They've been illegal since Nineteen-Thirty-Fucking-Four!

And, in 80 the years since they've been illegal, there has been exactly ONE time a fully auto weapon has been used in a crime.
IIRC, that bank robbery in CA back in the 80's.

While every shitty criminal from street-level drug dealer to kingpin has a fully auto and commits multiple crimes in the movies--in real life?

None do.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 04, 2017 03:32 PM (/9uFC)

473
CNBC just showed that Di Fi is proposing a new gun control law "because we can't do nothing."

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 04, 2017 03:32 PM (493sH)

474 The ATF allowed the bump stock as there was no rule to allow them to block it. Give them a rule to block the bump stock and you are opening the door to blocking everything.

Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 04, 2017 03:32 PM (GWm7j)

475 Do not assume media do not know something about guns.

Rather, assume the media want to dis-inform about guns.

Posted by: davidt at October 04, 2017 03:32 PM (93Onj)

476 470 I could tell you a few things about child rearing.
Posted by: Harry Reid at October 04, 2017 03:32 PM (LjR2k)

"Yeah, like 'When you eat a child, the waste usually leaves through your rear', heh."

-- John Podesta

Posted by: Hikaru at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (XMDuf)

477 I hereby nominate Jim and I'm not joking.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (mf5HN)

----

Jim

rickb223

Gramps

Insomniac

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (8XRCm)

478 432
Go watch some Combat videos. You'd be surprised how quickly someone on semi auto can pull a trigger under stress.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 03:26 PM (NMCva)

Firing at an area target, he could empty a 30 round magazine in 6 seconds. He didn't aim, he pointed in a general direction.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (DxWUs)

479 >>>.Ace it's not "automatic" fire, it was a "repeating" rifle, the first semi-auto if you will. You had to move a lever to get the next shot(s) lined up with the bore with the powder charge behind it.

ah thanks.

It's very weird that they had repeating Henry rifles (with full metal cartridges) in like 1850 but no one rushed to put this technology into revolvers. And then the guy (Rollins?) who patented it tried to sell it to Colt for like $11,000 and they turned him down. colt kept selling guns with the paper-cartridge-and-put-the-blasting-cap-on-the-nipple system (very slow to reload -- a half minute at least) until the patent expired in 1873.

S&W did buy it, yes. And Remington worked out a deal where they could do after-market conversions to the "new" (actually kind of old) technology of the premade all-in-one metal cartridge.

But everyone else was content to use a type of revolver cartridge that was outright primitive by the Civil War for another 10 years.

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (8rNrN)

480 There was a gun called MP39, but not an MP3.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (TZPec)

481
""Ammunition is as indifferent to where and why it is being fired as the firearm itself""

Exactly. "Automatic" rounds is stupid.

Posted by: Soothie at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (gREsI)

482

Tin Man
~ Miranda Lambert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8PWkTnsrCo

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (fceHP)

483 I've seen MP5's in 9mm, .357 sig, .40SW and 10mm.

Just saying.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (NMCva)

484 463 Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (LjR2k)

Lee Child'd know....

In this case he is correct, of course it is much like a broken clock.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (SzZnW)

485 And... for the record.... it is ILLEGAL to posses full auto rated bolt carriers and receivers.... as in the BATFE will send you to Federal PMITA prison.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 03:21 PM (8XRCm)

You can have a full auto BCG without issue, but none of the full auto fire control group. Those few bits of metal will get you a lengthy stay at substandard federal housing.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (O9qtX)

486 Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (mf5HN)

I miss Andy.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (dzmBR)

487 461 What say ye, Horde?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 04, 2017 03:25 PM (MGCfm)

I hereby nominate Jim and I'm not joking.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (mf5HN)

I'm pretty sure the Horde could form a credible subject matter panel on just about any subject except sobriety and not being a smartass. So I second AtC's nomination.

Posted by: joncelli, making everything sound lascivious at October 04, 2017 03:34 PM (RD7QR)

488 Guys that score 60 on the fucking ASVAB can manage to handle this information but our Intellectual and Moral Superiors are stupefied.

Shit on shit is shit, you stupid shits.

Posted by: Denny Crane! at October 04, 2017 03:34 PM (rDLZI)

489 483 Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (NMCva)

Yup, and the UMP 45 was born to allow HK to have a .45 ACP SMG.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 04, 2017 03:34 PM (SzZnW)

490 469 I think they are just all piling on, its like a shark frenzy, where nobody is thinking they just all want to take a bite. Crazed, mindless, firing off tweets and posts and articles and sound bits without a slight of thought, research, or understanding. WE FINALLY CAN BAN GUNS!!!! they're thinking.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 03:31 PM (TZPec)

===============

I think all they get out of this is the HPA pushed off for a few months. If Ryan let a bumpstock ban out of committee the NRA would destroy him and any R that supported it.

Posted by: Jackal at October 04, 2017 03:34 PM (8F3x1)

491 As an ode to the media, I nominate alex the chick to be the AoS expert on guns and slam dunks in basketball, and ace to be the AoS expert on hydration and screw drivers.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:31 PM (wmaTe)

I also get to be the child rearing expert too, right?

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:34 PM (mf5HN)

492 I'm a farm girl. We say low or high yield.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:20 PM (Ri/rl)

Thank you. My brain is currently acting like a blender. Just throwing terms together that sound alike and coming up with new phrases. I think it's some freudian thing.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla confusion at October 04, 2017 03:34 PM (WEFox)

493 I think they are just all piling on, its like a shark frenzy, where nobody is thinking they just all want to take a bite. Crazed, mindless, firing off tweets and posts and articles and sound bits without a slight of thought, research, or understanding. WE FINALLY CAN BAN GUNS!!!! they're thinking.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 04, 2017 03:31 PM (TZPec)

It's exhausting.
Coffee stocks must be high.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 03:34 PM (fceHP)

494 Aren't the automatic rounds the ones that were
designed to bounce off bones and cause as much internal damage as
possible, automatically?

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2017 03:29 PM (H0quv)

--------------------------------
"Automatic rounds" is just a new term for magic bullets.

Posted by: Arly Spector at October 04, 2017 03:34 PM (SsblQ)

495 >>>The ATF allowed the bump stock as there was no rule to allow them to
block it. Give them a rule to block the bump stock and you are opening
the door to blocking everything.
.
.
.And the ATF Director works for Trump.

I say we wait and see how this whole things settles out. I mean form fvcks sake they are calling for a silencer ban when one was nowhere near this attack.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 04, 2017 03:35 PM (+Dllb)

496 well back to my book

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at October 04, 2017 03:35 PM (mpXpK)

497 Gotta take a look at the one Stag Model 3 in the safe, but I could have sworn that the BCG was Full auto rated when one paid the premium for the upgrade.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 04, 2017 03:35 PM (EyPfd)

498 307 So, what type of rounds do the Tommy guns with the circular drum fire?

Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 04, 2017 03:11 PM (GWm7j)

45 ACP mostly, although some may have been chambered for other rounds.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 04, 2017 03:35 PM (tu3iY)

499 481 Posted by: Soothie at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (gREsI)

I posted it to remind people the leftoids are pretending that inanimate objects somehow force people to do things.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 04, 2017 03:35 PM (SzZnW)

500 This has been going on since, well, forever. My favorite was from The Dissident Frogman, in 2007:

Shooty/Not-shooty

http://tinyurl.com/z8c86kb

Posted by: West at October 04, 2017 03:35 PM (1Rgee)

501 Those flat topped cartridges on the right are hollowpoints? I still don't understand how hollowpoints work. Flesh can't bend lead.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at October 04, 2017 03:35 PM (/qEW2)

502 Actually, an MP3 shoots 9mm.

I never realized digital music was so dangerous.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 04, 2017 03:35 PM (IcT7t)

503 Aren't these bullets called "automatic"

cuz they automatically kill somebody when they're fired?

Even if aimed at the ground...

It's like homing technology or something.

We should ban all guns......and wildebeests.

Posted by: naturalfake got hit in the head with a bullpen hammer and became a progressive at October 04, 2017 03:36 PM (NyJwR)

504 Jackal, as it so happens, just this last weekend I took some friends shooting, at the range complex where I RO - we had our own range, and of all the platforms used the M1 carbine was the favorite.

Pretty good illustration of why it was such an effective weapon, for its niche. People who've never touched one can pick it up, and within a few rounds, using the peep sights, reliably be pinging a 5-inch plate @ 50 yds. Pretty good tool for a mass conscript army, with a round that's perfectly effective for non-cover situations.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:36 PM (QDnY+)

505 I also get to be the child rearing expert too, right?

Posted by: alexthechick

Were you ever a child?
Do you remember what worked on you?

Then yes. Yes you can.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 03:36 PM (ECUyd)

506 My MP3 don't shoot anything.

Posted by: Harry Reid at October 04, 2017 03:36 PM (LjR2k)

507 I'm pretty sure the Horde could form a credible subject matter panel on just about any subject except sobriety and not being a smartass.

lol
Dating advice might not be their strongest subject either.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla confusion at October 04, 2017 03:36 PM (WEFox)

508 Vaginas are not that complicated,
..............

That's not what my doctor said.

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at October 04, 2017 03:37 PM (HgMAr)

509 Motive: he was an angry MGTOW

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:37 PM (XFue2)

510 10 mg? I doubt if anyone could stay awake on 10 mg

Posted by: grammie winger - Hey Hey!

Bicycling on 50 but I had practice.

Posted by: DaveA at October 04, 2017 03:37 PM (FhXTo)

511

Are magic bullets made by the same people who make Magic Grits?

Posted by: Soothie at October 04, 2017 03:37 PM (gREsI)

512 485 And... for the record.... it is ILLEGAL to posses full auto rated bolt carriers and receivers.... as in the BATFE will send you to Federal PMITA prison.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 03:21 PM (8XRCm)

You can have a full auto BCG without issue, but none of the full auto fire control group. Those few bits of metal will get you a lengthy stay at substandard federal housing.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (O9qtX)

=============

Correct. A "full auto" BCG refers to a BCG that has a hard chromed gas key, bolt head that's both MPI and pressure tested and has some slight machining differences on the back for the auto sear to interect with. It's as much a manufacturing specification as it is a mechanical difference.

Posted by: Jackal at October 04, 2017 03:37 PM (8F3x1)

513 479 posted by: ace at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (8rNrN)

Sorta, the Henry was begat to a large degree by the Volcanic arms Rifle, Carbine, and Pistol which failed largely because of the caseless .41 rocketball ammo.....

Posted by: sven10077 at October 04, 2017 03:37 PM (SzZnW)

514 the shooter stopped after ten minutes ... cops didn't breach till a full hour later.
My guess is he got tired of seeing the carnage ... had made his point, or his claim to fame. I can't think of any other reason he would have stopped. out of ammo after bringing all those guns? seems unlikely.

but it wasn't due to no silencer, or the cops, or anything external, as far as I can tell. Maybe he was emailing the video footage to someone, or on the phone with ???

Posted by: illiniwek at October 04, 2017 03:37 PM (yKAUL)

515 503
Aren't these bullets called "automatic"

cuz they automatically kill somebody when they're fired?

Even if aimed at the ground...

It's like homing technology or something.

We should ban all guns......and wildebeests.

Posted by: naturalfake got hit in the head with a bullpen hammer and became a progressive at October 04, 2017 03:36 PM (NyJwR)

Naturalfake Johnson is right!
We have to ban these automatic rounds, I heard they are also fire and forget, they can kill everybody.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at October 04, 2017 03:38 PM (DxWUs)

516 491 As an ode to the media, I nominate alex the chick to be the AoS expert on guns and slam dunks in basketball, and ace to be the AoS expert on hydration and screw drivers.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:31 PM (wmaTe)

I also get to be the child rearing expert too, right?

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:34 PM (mf5HN)

You can be the child rearing expert AND an expert on how to raise and care for spiders as pets.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:38 PM (wmaTe)

517 Dating advice might not be their strongest subject either.
Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla confusion at October 04, 2017 03:36 PM (WEFox)

But we will all act like we're experts on dating.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:38 PM (Ri/rl)

518

CNBC just showed that Di Fi is proposing a new gun control law "because we can't do nothing."

BAD POLICY IS BETTER THAN NO POLICY!!!!!!

/really stupid

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 04, 2017 03:38 PM (oVJmc)

519 -
--
Dating advice might not be their strongest subject either.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla confusion at October 04, 2017 03:36 PM

-------------

BS. Here's one for free: You don't have to pay the first amount the hooker says. Negotiate.

Posted by: irright at October 04, 2017 03:38 PM (pMGkg)

520 Yet while the guns that Stephen Paddock used to shoot more than 500 people in Las Vegas fired high caliber automatic rounds, they were perfectly legal, ...

As one commenter stated.

Posted by: Roseanne Roseannadanna at October 04, 2017 03:39 PM (leCj4)

521 Man, Ace knows a lot about manual screwdrivers.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at October 04, 2017 02:44 PM (I7op

FIFY. Power screwdrivers, not so much!

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 04, 2017 03:39 PM (5Yee7)

522 fuck flathead screws they are of the Devil!

Posted by: Bob in Houston-Vast Right Wing Basket of deplorable! at October 04, 2017 03:39 PM (XRxxn)

523
Clear Thread Winner is Jane D'oh @ 229:

"If the shooter had a silencer, we'd still be wondering why all those people were lying on the ground full of bullet holes."

Posted by: Cold Civil War at October 04, 2017 03:39 PM (Z2PYk)

524
I also get to be the child rearing expert too, right?

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand!

I've ignored worse

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 04, 2017 03:39 PM (yfSAl)

525 WE FINALLY CAN BAN GUNS!!!! they're thinking.

They are like Wile E Coyote on this everytime....
It will blow up in their face

Posted by: McCool at October 04, 2017 03:39 PM (KvRqW)

526 Has anyone mentioned trounds yet?

Posted by: Kindltot at October 04, 2017 03:39 PM (9zpQg)

527

Aren't we overdue for a teacher in Florida to be sexing her boy students?

Posted by: Soothie at October 04, 2017 03:40 PM (gREsI)

528 Trounds.

Posted by: irright at October 04, 2017 03:40 PM (pMGkg)

529 You can be the child rearing expert AND an expert on how to raise and care for spiders as pets.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:38 PM (wmaTe)

Yaaaaaay!

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:40 PM (mf5HN)

530 504 Jackal, as it so happens, just this last weekend I took some friends shooting, at the range complex where I RO - we had our own range, and of all the platforms used the M1 carbine was the favorite.

Pretty good illustration of why it was such an effective weapon, for its niche. People who've never touched one can pick it up, and within a few rounds, using the peep sights, reliably be pinging a 5-inch plate @ 50 yds. Pretty good tool for a mass conscript army, with a round that's perfectly effective for non-cover situations.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:36 PM (QDnY+)

=============

Yeah, it doesn't deserve the bad rep it has. It wasn't designed as a strong penetrator. It was a proto PDW for drivers artillerymen, etc.

Posted by: Jackal at October 04, 2017 03:40 PM (8F3x1)

531 So, how are things?

*looks around*

Still insane, I see.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 04, 2017 03:40 PM (ycWCI)

532 >>>83

WATCH: Shapiro Fiercely SHREDS Kimmel's Gun Control Rant
http://bit.ly/2xhwn1C

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 02:48 PM (fceHP)

I could not have stomached that Jimmy Kimmel monologue without Shapiro taking it apart like he did.

Posted by: m at October 04, 2017 03:40 PM (7n0Ay)

533 526. We don't speak of those. We all agreed on that.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at October 04, 2017 03:40 PM (Aybn7)

534 A popular meme for the lefties this week is the "factoid" about Kinder eggs being banned in America, while you can pick up a super-automatic assault rifle in less than 15 minutes at Walmart.

This makes me want to see someone create an AR that fires Kinder eggs.

Posted by: gewa76 at October 04, 2017 03:40 PM (8HVXo)

535 https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/dce66f83-e1e0-439f-b303-da9cae450b84
Posted by: ace Redwood at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (8rNrN)

bojack?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 03:41 PM (fceHP)

536 But everyone else was content to use a type of revolver cartridge that was outright primitive by the Civil War for another 10 years.

Posted by: ace at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (8rNrN)

Repeating fire technology was out there but Secretary Stanton and other influential members of Lincoln's staff argued against its adoption because of the expense. Eventually, selected units were equipped with lever-action Henry rifles and then, of course, there was the Gatling gun.

People tend not to think of it in economic terms, but the Civil War was enormously expensive. We didn't pay off that war debt until the 1930's.

Posted by: troyriser at October 04, 2017 03:41 PM (Fw5cQ)

537 If the HQ forms an expert panel on boobies, let me know. I may need some practice in Order to get up to speed.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 03:41 PM (NMCva)

538
I'm an expert on child rearing.

Posted by: Harry Reid at October 04, 2017 03:41 PM (NyJwR)

539 One nit to pick (if someone already covered this, my apologies): a bump stock does not make a semi-auto into an auto; you still have to depress the trigger each time a round is fired. The bump stock simply enables someone to do that very rapidly.

Posted by: big sarge at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (jQ2oO)

540 Automatic rounds do not sleep. They wait.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (oVJmc)

541 Can a revolver round get ammo-reassignment surgery, if it really, really thinks it is an 'automatic' round?

Posted by: Gleefully Tormenting Liberals for 40 Years at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (cydb/)

542 Gatling's crank machine gun used paper cartridges and then rim fire brass cartridges.
Basic principle behind the GAU-8 Avenger 30mm cannon, although upgraded and mechanized, came from Gatling's machine gun.

Posted by: Speller at October 04, 2017 03:19 PM (pSotA)

And a Gatling gun is not a "machine gun" under the NFA, because the cycling is done by human muscle power. I have seen beautiful brass reproductions for sale at gun shows. Big dollars.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon, survivor of GNAMM at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (O848g)

543 534 A popular meme for the lefties this week is the "factoid" about Kinder eggs being banned in America, while you can pick up a super-automatic assault rifle in less than 15 minutes at Walmart.

This makes me want to see someone create an AR that fires Kinder eggs.
Posted by: gewa76 at October 04, 2017 03:40 PM (8HVXo)

yeah, the Kinder egg ban is ridiculous.

on a related note, as a resident of a border state w/ Canada -- I can tell you there's a substantial black market for kinder eggs out there (no idea why, but yes, it does exist.)

When you outlaw kinder eggs, only outlaws ... something

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (wmaTe)

544 Music industry website saying that Paddock tried to book hotel room near the Life is Beautiful festival last month:

https://www.pollstar.com/article/was-life-is-beautiful-targeted-as-well-133289

Posted by: shibumi at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (aT+Bx)

545 I found it here but I have no idea about that site.

http://tinyurl.com/yb8r8bc2
Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 03:27 PM (Enq6K)

looks russian!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (fceHP)

546 This makes me want to see someone create an AR that fires Kinder eggs.

I did see an attachment that allows you shoot cans of soda (using blank rounds I believe)

Posted by: McCool at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (KvRqW)

547 These reporters should take an afternoon off and go to a Vegas gun range, and get a hardon. It would be a life changing experience for them, and then they would actually be able to know what they don't know.

Posted by: goon at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (EaQ6/)

548 If I'm to be shot at from over 100 yards, my order of preference is:

1) Fully auto
2) Semi-auto w/ bump stock
3) Semi-auto, no scope
4) Bolt-action, no scope
5) Semi-auto, scope
6) Bolt-action, scope

#1, I'll likely not even get a bullet within 20 feet of me.
#2, might get within 10 feet
#3-#6, I'm almost certain dead.

And that last one--the one most likely to kill me by far--is the slowest fire of all.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (/9uFC)

549

Wow, have heard this wacko brother Erick Paddock??

This guy is fucked up. And he's not as clever as he thinks he is.

Posted by: Soothie at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (gREsI)

550 This makes me want to see someone create an AR that fires Kinder eggs.
Posted by: gewa76 at October 04, 2017 03:40 PM (8HVXo)

There has got to be a Fallout 4 mod for that.

Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:43 PM (mf5HN)

551

You MUST watch the 33 minute interview with Eric Paddock. It is quite revealing.

Posted by: Soothie at October 04, 2017 03:43 PM (gREsI)

552 Oh dear God...BBC just ran a commercial. It's an eight part short series about the UK gay experience...

"Queers....an all day LGBT event next Wednesday to celebrate 'Coming out day'"

I can't even...

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 03:43 PM (Enq6K)

553 >>>>It's very weird that they had repeating Henry rifles (with full metal
cartridges) in like 1850 but no one rushed to put this technology into
revolvers. And then the guy (Rollins?) who patented it tried to sell it
to Colt for like $11,000 and they turned him down. colt kept selling
guns with the paper-cartridge-and-put-the-blasting-cap-on-the-nipple
system (very slow to reload -- a half minute at least) until the patent
expired in 1873.

SW did buy it, yes. And Remington worked out a deal where they
could do after-market conversions to the "new" (actually kind of old)
technology of the premade all-in-one metal cartridge.

But everyone else was content to use a type of revolver cartridge
that was outright primitive by the Civil War for another 10 years.
.
.
.Because equipping every man in an Army of over 4 million with those weapons would have made the WWII deficit look like a rounding error in the budget.

They were expensive and highly experimental at the time. Plus the ammunition was horribly expensive and the Brass was worried that every soldier would just stand there and shoot off hundreds of rounds at the enemy to no effect.

Cartridge conversion revolvers starting popping up during the Civil War and exploded in the next 5-10 years after the war because there were eleventy bazillion perfectly serviceable black powder revolvers just sitting around.

Fun fact...after the Civil War was over the US Federal Government and some States would let Soldiers buy their service weapon for about $3.00 which explodes the myth that the 2nd Amendment is strictly limited to flint locks.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 04, 2017 03:44 PM (+Dllb)

554 "on a related note, as a resident of a border state w/ Canada -- I can tell you there's a substantial black market for kinder eggs out there (no idea why, but yes, it does exist.)

When you outlaw kinder eggs, only outlaws ... something"

When we were stationed in Europe, we mailed them home constantly.

Of course, that was many years ago.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 04, 2017 03:44 PM (EyPfd)

555 Wow, have heard this wacko brother Erick Paddock??

This guy is fucked up. And he's not as clever as he thinks he is.
---

I'm famous!

And when I do interviews, I have an earpiece that tells me what to say!!!

Posted by: Erick Paddock at October 04, 2017 03:44 PM (aT+Bx)

556 Posted by: RoyalOil at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM

This is true if you're the only target. If someone is option for "spray and pray" (as this guy seems to be) that list almost reverses in the sense that there will be a lot less dead over all from 6 to 1.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 04, 2017 03:44 PM (dzmBR)

557 I could not have stomached that Jimmy Kimmel monologue without Shapiro taking it apart like he did.
Posted by: m at October 04, 2017 03:40 PM (7n0Ay)Ace

What pisses me off about these Hollywood liberals is they live in gated compounds, have armed security, fly private.

They should have to move their family to the barrio and walk home at midnight.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 04, 2017 03:44 PM (Ri/rl)

558 Savage going with "she radicalized him and got him hooked on Valium".

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 03:44 PM (2wRtc)

559 And that last one--the one most likely to kill me by far--is the slowest fire of all.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (/9uFC)

Yup.

Bolt action with a scope scares the shit out of me.

Huh...I have a bullet in my chest and I didn't hear a damned thing.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 04, 2017 03:45 PM (wYseH)

560 That Kinder Egg thing isn't true. I've bought them at the Russian deli here many times. Coolest things. The chocolate is good, too.

Maybe they don't allow you to cross the Canadian border with them, but you can buy them in the US.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 04, 2017 03:45 PM (vg8iE)

561 Back from an adventure with CBD.

So any motive yet?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2017 03:45 PM (SjImc)

562 541
Can a revolver round get ammo-reassignment surgery, if it really, really thinks it is an 'automatic' round?

Posted by: Gleefully Tormenting Liberals for 40 Years at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (cydb/)

We need to get away from this madness. If it is a revolver bullet, it will always be a revolver bullet. Even changing its jacket won't change that simple fact. It is ammo abuse to think that rounds can just become an automatic round because it wants to be one.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared, Americans don't Serf at October 04, 2017 03:45 PM (DxWUs)

563 Wow, have heard this wacko brother Erick Paddock??

This guy is fucked up. And he's not as clever as he thinks he is.

Posted by: Soothie at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (gREsI)

--------------------------------------
Paddocks are often full of shiit if not properly cleaned.

Posted by: Arly Spector at October 04, 2017 03:45 PM (SsblQ)

564 My Pedant ballistician self reveals that the .380 and 9mm are both .355 diameter projectiles, with the .38 Spl. & .357 mag, being both, .357 diameter projectiles.

And Eastern Bloc 9mm is .365.

Posted by: Grump928(C) blurts at October 04, 2017 03:45 PM (QQ+il)

565 A popular meme for the lefties this week is the "factoid" about Kinder eggs being banned in America, while you can pick up a super-automatic assault rifle in less than 15 minutes at Walmart.

Which is false. Not every Wally World sells guns. I am in Texas and mine doesnt.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 03:45 PM (ECUyd)

566
What pisses me off about these Hollywood liberals is they live in gated compounds, have armed security, fly private.
---

We are Your Betters and Deserve Special Treatment.

Posted by: Hollywood Liberals at October 04, 2017 03:45 PM (aT+Bx)

567 There has got to be a Fallout 4 mod for that.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:43 PM (mf5HN)

If you can find it amongst the gigantic boob and/or catsuit mods.

Not complaining, just an observation I have.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 04, 2017 03:46 PM (ycWCI)

568 the shooter stopped after ten minutes ... cops didn't breach till a full hour later.
My guess is he got tired of seeing the carnage ... had made his point, or his claim to fame. I can't think of any other reason he would have stopped. out of ammo after bringing all those guns? seems unlikely.

Do we know this?

We were told by police that they breached the door less than 20 minutes after receiving the 911 call.

So where did the 72 minutes come from?

Where is the ten or twelve minutes coming from?

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2017 03:46 PM (326rv)

569 A popular meme for the lefties this week is the "factoid" about Kinder eggs being banned in America, while you can pick up a super-automatic assault rifle in less than 15 minutes at Walmart.

You can't even buy haggis in this country, yet they let you buy machine guns at guns shows with no background checks.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at October 04, 2017 03:46 PM (/qEW2)

570 Jimmy Kimmel and his MSM buddies: "The founders were talking about muskets when they wrote the 2nd amendment."

Also:

"No civilian should be able to possess military-grade weapons!"

Who wants to tell them muskets were military-grade weapons in 1789?
Additionally, privateers had cannons in the late 18th century.
There's a better case to be made for the 2A allowing civilian ownership of RPGs and tanks than there is for it being limited to muskets.

Posted by: gewa76 at October 04, 2017 03:46 PM (8HVXo)

571 558 Savage going with "she radicalized him and got him hooked on Valium".

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 03:44 PM (2wRtc)

If rhymes were Valium, I'd be comfortably numb.

Posted by: Zombie Bradley Nowell at October 04, 2017 03:46 PM (wmaTe)

572 This guy is fucked up. And he's not as clever as he thinks he is.
===

His eyes roll around like marbles when he's lying... er, talking.

Posted by: Mortimer - disappointed at October 04, 2017 03:46 PM (2wRtc)

573 I can't even...

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 03:43 PM (Enq6K)

In a few years it will be mandatory.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 04, 2017 03:46 PM (wYseH)

574 Which paddock brother was the Air Force academy one?

Posted by: NCKate at October 04, 2017 03:47 PM (mti3B)

575 They should have to move their family to the barrio and their wives and children walk home at midnight

*Suggested edit

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 04, 2017 03:47 PM (EyPfd)

576 The brother who said the shooter, who accumulated 42 guns and modified many of them, wasn't a "gun guy"? That brother?

I think psychosis and ass covering run in the family procreated by a criminally insane father who was on the FBI's most wanted list for prison escape.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 03:47 PM (NMCva)

577 Music industry website saying that Paddock tried to book hotel room near the Life is Beautiful festival last month:

https://www.pollstar.com/article/was-life-is-beautiful-targeted-as-well-133289
Posted by: shibumi at October 04, 2017 03:42 PM (aT+Bx)

I have zero doubt that he scouted several events over a long time period as dry runs.

Deplorables were his target. He was a Commie and probably a Muslim sympathizer. He was brainwashed by the 24/7/365 MSM and entertainment industry that conservatives/Trump voters were nazis and violence was justified.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:48 PM (XFue2)

578 573 I can't even...

Posted by: Tami at October 04, 2017 03:43 PM (Enq6K)

In a few years it will be mandatory.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 04, 2017 03:46 PM (wYseH)

Bob Hope was a prophet.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 04, 2017 03:48 PM (ycWCI)

579 Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 03:47 PM (NMCva)

I think it's weird that the brother is talking to the media at all.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 04, 2017 03:48 PM (wmaTe)

580 Fun fact...after the Civil War was over the US Federal Government and some States would let Soldiers buy their service weapon for about $3.00 which explodes the myth that the 2nd Amendment is strictly limited to flint locks.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

There are photographs of surplus artillery being shipped to France in 1870.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 04, 2017 03:48 PM (326rv)

581 We need to set policy based on what makes Jimmy Kimmel cry.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 04, 2017 03:48 PM (oVJmc)

582 Bolt action with a scope is the stuff of nightmares.

Posted by: Deer at October 04, 2017 03:49 PM (93Onj)

583 "Which is false. Not every Wally World sells guns. I am in Texas and mine doesnt."

True-dat

Baltimore County Walmart sells no guns.

Harford County Walmart, at a minimum, rifles and shotguns.

An wall to wall ammo.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 04, 2017 03:49 PM (EyPfd)

584 First they came for the Kinder Eggs.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 03:49 PM (LjR2k)

585 what we say

**The complicated structure of our nation's gun laws defies anyone who's not an expert on the subject***

what we mean

The complicated [normals] of our [nation] defies [us]

Posted by: Blue Checkmark Mental Asylum at October 04, 2017 03:49 PM (XhN8Z)

586 We need to set policy based on what makes Jimmy Kimmel cry.
========

I agree. There needs to a law that every time Kimmel opens his cakehole, a flaming, barb wired pineapple gets shoved up his ass, sideways. That ought to bring tears to his eyes.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 04, 2017 03:49 PM (vg8iE)

587 Hey, bob...did Hillary have us complain about automatic bullets?

"uh no"

Then who came up with this stuff?

"Kamala Harris 2020 called"

say no more.

Posted by: Blue Checkmark Mental Asylum at October 04, 2017 03:50 PM (XhN8Z)

588 Newt Gingrich: Semi-Automatic Gun Modifications Should Be Banned Under the Federal Firearms Act
-BB

Another genius.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 04, 2017 03:50 PM (mcI77)

589 Oh shit. I forgot that Valium is listed as a hypnotic. The plot does thicken now. Opioids and ambian are hypnotics as well.

I forgot about that with the Valium.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:50 PM (XFue2)

590 **The complicated structure of our nation's gun laws defies anyone who's not an expert on the subject***

========

Apparently they've never tried to stay in compliance with Medicare regulations.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 04, 2017 03:50 PM (vg8iE)

591 He didn't really know his brother that well. It's pretty clear. Unless it's all an elaborate hoax to cover his ass. Which if true will probably be uncovered.

But frankly I think that's a stretch. I've met pencil shavings who are smarter than the shooter and his less intelligent brother.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 03:50 PM (NMCva)

592 We need to set policy based on what makes Jimmy Kimmel cry.

***

God help us all when his kids get old enough to ask him woke questions.

We better abandon Trump now so that we don't lose the 2016 election!

Posted by: Bitch McLoser - Sen Maj Ldr at October 04, 2017 03:51 PM (XhN8Z)

593 537 If the HQ forms an expert panel on boobies, let me know. I may need some practice in Order to get up to speed.

Based on the threads I've seen here, a panel discussion on boobs would be endless & no other topics would be discussed. And, once done with boobies, you'd seque into meat & potatos, junk, tackle.

B/c you try to be equal opportunity guys. Now, last night's overnight thread on carved dildos, going back thousands of years, & the level of expertise people had, was kinda frightening. Not sure the world is ready for a panel on that topic.

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla confusion at October 04, 2017 03:51 PM (WEFox)

594 Jackal, as it so happens, just this last weekend I took some friends shooting, at the range complex where I RO - we had our own range, and of all the platforms used the M1 carbine was the favorite.perfectly effective for non-cover situations.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:36 PM (QDnY+)

It's my 11 year old son's favorite. My CMP crappy italian stock replaced by a choate side folder "zombie" carbine with rail and optic. It's easily reconverted to the condition as received. I have another likely "DCM" sale from decades ago that is an original all WW2 era features.

I bought a baretta CX storm carbine hoping it would become his favorite (a bit cheaper to shoot) but it has an annoying face slap.

Posted by: Keith at October 04, 2017 03:51 PM (USf3s)

595 =============

What you're referring to is how the round headspaces (positioned and secured) into the chamber. True "Rimmed" (and semi-rimmed) cartridges rely on a rim on the cartridge to secure the case. Belted magnums do more or less the same thing with the belt at the case head. "Unrimmed" cases (really, cases with the rim the same diameter as the rest of the case) headspace off the shoulder, which is the angled area of the case just aft of the bullet itself. Pistol rounds headspace off the mouth of the case in most instances I think if they are unrimmed.
Posted by: Jackal at October 04, 2017 03:22 PM (8F3x1)

=============

This is a much more technically accurate statement than my post. Thank you.

Posted by: Inogame at October 04, 2017 03:51 PM (ySZHT)

596 NGU, CBD, so, spill. You guyz go shooting?

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:51 PM (QDnY+)

597 "Bolt action with a scope is the stuff of nightmares."

Call me...

Posted by: Zombie Vasily Zaitsev at October 04, 2017 03:51 PM (EyPfd)

598 588 Posted by: Under Fire at October 04, 2017 03:50 PM (mcI77)

Awesome, the GOP is gonna let DiFi make my changing my wife's foregrip on her AR a felony....

why do I vote and donate again?

Posted by: sven10077 at October 04, 2017 03:51 PM (SzZnW)

599 Scapolimine is a hell of a drug as well.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 04, 2017 03:52 PM (XFue2)

600 >>>>
"Which is false. Not every Wally World sells guns. I am in Texas and mine doesnt."

True-dat

Baltimore County Walmart sells no guns.

Harford County Walmart, at a minimum, rifles and shotguns.

An wall to wall ammo.

.
.
.And for some odd reason the Walmart in Bonham Texas quit selling guns last month. No explanation but they still have ammo for sale.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 04, 2017 03:52 PM (+Dllb)

601 Besides, the important gains will not be in rate of fire but in improvements to accuracy such as optics and tracking. Look up tracking-point.

Posted by: Yankeefifth at October 04, 2017 03:53 PM (GWm7j)

602 And for some odd reason the Walmart in Bonham Texas quit selling guns last month. No explanation but they still have ammo for sale.

Hmmm. That was where I got my Stainless Steel 10-22 Takedown.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 04, 2017 03:53 PM (ECUyd)

603 592 We need to set policy based on what makes Jimmy Kimmel cry.

This funny article was posted in a prior thread re: Kimmel

http://tinyurl.com/yc5ek5h6

Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla confusion at October 04, 2017 03:54 PM (WEFox)

604 **The complicated structure of our nation's gun laws defies anyone who's not an expert on the subject***

This is mostly true in NJ
Even the experts are confused by the labrinthine rules and regulations.

Posted by: McCool at October 04, 2017 03:54 PM (KvRqW)

605 598
Awesome, the GOP is gonna let DiFi make my changing my wife's foregrip on her AR a felony....

why do I vote and donate again?

Posted by: sven10077 at October 04, 2017 03:51 PM (SzZnW)

Newt can take the loveseat again with Pelotski and produce a PSA.

Posted by: Under Fire at October 04, 2017 03:54 PM (mcI77)

606 >>>>He didn't really know his brother that well. It's pretty clear. Unless
it's all an elaborate hoax to cover his ass. Which if true will probably
be uncovered.

But frankly I think that's a stretch. I've met pencil shavings who
are smarter than the shooter and his less intelligent brother.
.
.
.His brother is lying. He never looks at the reporter or the camera and constantly looks at the ground or away from the camera. That's basic Cop "this guy is lying 101" class stuff.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 04, 2017 03:54 PM (+Dllb)

607 548 If I'm to be shot at from over 100 yards, my order of preference is:

1) Fully auto
2) Semi-auto w/ bump stock
3) Semi-auto, no scope
4) Bolt-action, no scope
5) Semi-auto, scope
6) Bolt-action, scope

#1, I'll likely not even get a bullet within 20 feet of me.
#2, might get within 10 feet
#3-#6, I'm almost certain dead.

And that last one--the one most likely to kill me by far--is the slowest fire of all.

----------------------------------
I'd put both Bolt actions above Semi's.. if you were fortunate enough to be missed in the first shot it's the follow up you'd like to gain distance on. But point well made.

Posted by: Inogame at October 04, 2017 03:54 PM (ySZHT)

608
All technical specs and fascinating history aside, all my fellow 2nd Amendment advocates get ready for the following reality:

Bump Stocks and any likewise mechanism that 'simulate' automatic fire is going to be outlawed at the federal level.
Like it or not, THIS CANNOT BE AVOIDED.

Though the Bump Stock is in fact a stupid toy when it comes to practical weapon use: when it comes to psychopathicaly shooting fish in a barrel (like that evil monster Paddock arranged and _executed_), it is extremely effective.

If you are against most citizens owning automatic weapons then logically you have to be against Bump Stock (and similar mechanism) use.

As for me, I apply a simple principle. I don't want our police paroling our streets (or nation) with any kind of firearm more powerful than I am allowed to own and openly bear. PERIOD.

If the governor or president needs to _declare_ MARTIAL LAW and bring in bigger armament to bring a disaster under control: well that's another matter.

Otherwise, individual citizens should be as deadly-powerful as the government that daily insures law-abiding safety.

Posted by: Cold Civil War at October 04, 2017 03:54 PM (Z2PYk)

609 580 Fun fact...after the Civil War was over the US Federal Government and some States would let Soldiers buy their service weapon for about $3.00 which explodes the myth that the 2nd Amendment is strictly limited to flint locks.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

...

You can still buy, though maybe not the best examples anymore, M1 Garands, from the US Government, previously issued by the US Government to kill the enemies of the US Government in WWII, through the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

Watch your thumb though.

Posted by: TexasDan at October 04, 2017 03:54 PM (yL25O)

610 I can make Jimmy Kimmel cry.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 04, 2017 03:54 PM (LjR2k)

611 "because we can't do nothing."
----------------

Wanna bet? I do nothing all of the time.

Posted by: GOPe at October 04, 2017 03:54 PM (leCj4)

612 and it's weird, the Gambrills Wegmans doesn't have a burger bar but the Columbia Wegmans does.

Posted by: Bitch McLoser - Sen Maj Ldr at October 04, 2017 03:54 PM (XhN8Z)

613 "Posted by: Gumdrop Gorilla confusion at October 04, 2017 03:51 PM (WEFox)"

I actually try to stay away from the conversations related to sex around here. The expert level of deviancy makes me go home and load ammo all night. It's pretty clear some experiences were gained first hand.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2017 03:55 PM (NMCva)

614 Keith, I'm thinking the M1's weight (while light compared to its big brother) is a key here. Of course the energy level helps - 30 carbine is a .357mag cartridge in a rifle, overall (very light round). Most of the modern pistol-caliber carbines seem lighter than the M1.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:55 PM (QDnY+)

615 Ay caramba, people. Alexander Hamilton was the victim of gun violence. Do you think he would have supported the second amendment had he survived? Burr modified his gun to load automatic rounds.

Posted by: Lin-Manuel Miranda at October 04, 2017 03:55 PM (/qEW2)

616 NOOD

Posted by: Bruce at October 04, 2017 03:55 PM (8ikIW)

617 I hereby nominate Jim and I'm not joking.
Posted by: alexthechick - now with extra sand! at October 04, 2017 03:30 PM (mf5HN)

----

Jim

rickb223

Gramps

Insomniac

Posted by: fixerupper at October 04, 2017 03:33 PM (8XRCm)

First... *bows to AtC* Thank'ya, ma'am!

Second. To Fixerupper's list. I'd add redC14. Knows the hardware, knows the chamberings. And being in CA, knows some of the worst of the lawas.

Third. Someone with Ace's ear would have to get this info to him, along with the respective contact data for each. Mine's easy, it's in my nic.

Fourth. To clear up a bit on the "rimmed vs. rimless" thing:

A straight-walled pistol cartridge has a slightly larger outside diameter than the bullet encased therein.

The semi-auto pistol barrel (presuming a 9mm, has a bore diameter) will accommodate the .355 in. projectile, but the chamber had to be bored wider, to accommodate the case's .362 outside diameter.

The sharp 90 degree demarcation point between the .355 bore and .362 chamber, creates a hard-point against which the mouth of the straight walled cartridge case comes to a hard and fast stop.

It is this point which creates what is called "headspace", which is the point at which a cartridge finds a bearing surface within the chamber, which stops the further forward progress of the cartridge into the chamber.

Bottleneck cartridges (most rifles, some pistol rounds) "headspace" on the angled shoulder of the bottleneck portion of the cartridge.

"Rimmed" cartridges, such as most conventional revolver rounds, traditional lever-action rifle rounds, and some classic, pre-1900 origin military rounds, chamber on the rim of the case head itself, outside of the chamber proper.

And that's the above, omitting even more arcane and pedantic detail in the telling.

MSM types are lost in the shallow end of this pool. Hell, I've even seen professional gunwriters and layers of editors flounder about over the years.

And I'm not immune to the mistelling in the efforts, either. None of us are.

That said though, a few can do a bit better than most.

Thanks, y'all!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 04, 2017 03:55 PM (MGCfm)

618 "Philippines is rumored. He is also rumored to be a arms dealer to that place as well."

Wonder if he knew the California Donk Congresscritter who was also an arms dealer to the Philippines

Posted by: Rob Crawford at October 04, 2017 03:55 PM (cQebO)

619 Automatic rounds.

That's it. Time for national conscription. We just cannot be allowed to be this stupid.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 04, 2017 03:55 PM (B+qrE)

620 paroling = patrolling

Posted by: Cold Civil War at October 04, 2017 03:55 PM (Z2PYk)

621
You can still buy, though maybe not the best examples anymore, M1 Garands, from the US Government, previously issued by the US Government to kill the enemies of the US Government in WWII, through the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

Watch your thumb though.
Posted by: TexasDan
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I seem to recall Sears selling surplus M1 carbines.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 04, 2017 03:57 PM (leCj4)

622 You can still buy, though maybe not the best examples anymore, M1 Garands, from the US Government, previously issued by the US Government to kill the enemies of the US Government in WWII, through the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

Watch your thumb though.
Posted by: TexasDan at October 04, 2017 03:54 PM (yL25O)

A bit dry now, but... they are soon to get another 100K or so returned from the Philippines.

Posted by: Keith at October 04, 2017 03:57 PM (USf3s)

623 Jeebus, Newt, really??

Reminding me of my general point.

The performance of the press, the reaction of so much of the populace, and even of the "ruling" elites, in this sad case is nothing more than a dramatic reminder of how variously ignorant, irresponsible, weak, unintelligent, uninformed, and sheepishly submissive so much of America is.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:58 PM (QDnY+)

624 Bottleneck cartridges (most rifles, some pistol rounds) "headspace" on the angled shoulder of the bottleneck portion of the cartridge.
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*raises hand*

Except belted cartridges.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 04, 2017 04:00 PM (leCj4)

625 NGU, CBD, so, spill. You guyz go shooting?
Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:51 PM (QDnY+)

Nothing so exciting

CBD donated some of his Late Father's Books to The US Navy and he came with me to deliver them and killed time while I did a little little Navy Paperwork and takes phone calls then we gourged on Italian food on Arthur Ave

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 04, 2017 04:01 PM (SjImc)

626 614 Keith, I'm thinking the M1's weight (while light compared to its big brother) is a key here. Of course the energy level helps - 30 carbine is a .357mag cartridge in a rifle, overall (very light round). Most of the modern pistol-caliber carbines seem lighter than the M1.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 04, 2017 03:55 PM (QDnY+)

Absolutely. And the length of pull helps a lot. He's shot everything from a colt single action to the Garand to the 1917 SMLE I just got back online. He loves that carbine though and considers it to be his.

The issue with the baretta, and I belive the hi points from what I read

Posted by: Keith at October 04, 2017 04:01 PM (USf3s)

627 One lion is a tragedy. 58 white people is a statistic.

Posted by: Jimmy Kimmel at October 04, 2017 04:04 PM (/qEW2)

628 cut myself off...

The issue with the baretta, and I believe the hi points from what I read is the blow back action right by your face. If you hold your cheek rest back far enough its not there, up to far and an annoying slap. I bought some neoprene rubber to do some cheek rest experimentation.

Posted by: Keith at October 04, 2017 04:04 PM (USf3s)

629 "534 A popular meme for the lefties this week is the "factoid" about Kinder eggs being banned in America, while you can pick up a super-automatic assault rifle in less than 15 minutes at Walmart.

This makes me want to see someone create an AR that fires Kinder eggs.
Posted by: gewa76 at October 04, 2017 03:40 PM (8HVXo)"

What they conveniently leave out is that they're banned precisely because of typical lefty Nanny State intervention. Meanwhile, actual adults monitor their kids and don't need the state to be the adult for them.

All this tells me is that the Kinder egg ban should be lifted, not that we need to add to the Nanny State.

Posted by: Saber Alter at October 04, 2017 04:05 PM (YZ7Go)

630 Not mentioned in the article are those deadly bolt action automatic assault guns that fire those huge penetrating bolts that inflict multiple casualties...

Posted by: CBS Gun Expert at October 04, 2017 04:06 PM (yhf6w)

631 " to move the old bullet to the left of the firing chamber and the new one into it."

Strictly speaking, the old bullet goes out the front thingy.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - nah gah dah, wouldn't be wise, wouldn't be prudent at October 04, 2017 04:08 PM (hyZqB)

632
254 >>>>.Not sure if this has been covered but the semi-auto concept was
invented in the late 1700s and offered to Congress for purchase but they
declined because of the cost. Reportedly it could fire off 16-18
"balls" in under a minute.

Look up the Belton flintlock.

was that just a stack of powder and balls in the barrel, such that
the first would fire, spark off the one behind it, firing it, which then
fires the next, etc...?

if so -- sounds dangerous AF!
.
.
.It apparently worked fine, he did demonstrate it to Congress and they expressed interest but balked at his asking price per weapon.

There are some examples of repeating flintlock pistols from the late 1600s that were actually manufactured and sold. The price and delicate mechanisms put them out of reach for 99% of the population at the time though.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 04, 2017 03:05 PM (+Dllb)

Volley guns (multiple barrels firing simultaneously) were around as far back as the 14th century. And Richard Widmark in character as Jim Bowie used a Nock gun in the Duke movie The Alamo.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 04, 2017 04:09 PM (veoSD)

633 Because these reporters have assholes as small as their tiny little minds, they can probably go full Richard Gere thrill by inserting a .45 caliber pistol round in their backside.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at October 04, 2017 04:14 PM (Sda6L)

634 Can someone compare the rounds per minute between Revolvers and shotguns and lever-action rifles and semi-auto rifles?

Posted by: KWDreaming at October 04, 2017 04:14 PM (S6xeB)

635 By the way, three round burst is the shit. It can become second nature to reach out with an extremely tight grouping of massive damage right at center mass even under hard core duress.

Like turning a door knob from 150 yards away.
Really. Think one-hop to home plate, but with a tool that is engineered for accuracy and stuff.

Posted by: Denny Crane! at October 04, 2017 04:15 PM (rDLZI)

636 I heard it is easier to buy a gun than a sandwich. Oh, yeah. It's so hard to get a sandwich. I have to fill out federal paperwork, background checked to make sure I don't have an eating disorder get weighed to make sure I'm not too fat for a sandwich and should have a salad with the dressing on the side instead, wait 10 days before they let me pick it up, and show proof of residence, get fingerprinted and show my driver's license.

I also found out that I'm morally bankrupt and part of the problem because I asked a gun grabber on twitter what the expanded background they proposed for gun purchases would check for. There are already federal background checks, and if you don't have a record, what then? A minder reader checks you? A vulcan mind meld to see if you have evil intent? A Minority Report type seer and a bureau of pre-crime? Honestly, I have no idea what the hell they are looking for here.

Posted by: Guns Gardens and Yarn at October 04, 2017 04:17 PM (znV6x)

637 633

I wish!

Posted by: Shepard "The Cunt" Smith at October 04, 2017 04:17 PM (rDLZI)

638 Can someone compare the rounds per minute between Revolvers and shotguns and lever-action rifles and semi-auto rifles?

Posted by: KWDreaming
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That really depends on the shooter.

Posted by: Dang at October 04, 2017 04:19 PM (8b+oT)

639 The NHL season starts tonight. I don't expect any kneeling. If anyone does, they'd best stay FAR away from the boards for the rest of the season.

Posted by: Captain Ned at October 04, 2017 04:21 PM (8LLKm)

640 Waiting for them to come out with Automatic Assault Arrows that I control With My Mind.

Posted by: Yondu Udonta at October 04, 2017 04:28 PM (EATOD)

641 "That really depends on the shooter. "

let me repost this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw

Posted by: Zombie Vasily Zaitsev at October 04, 2017 04:30 PM (EyPfd)

642 they are trying so hard to remember the Gun control talking points that there is no way they comprehend any words that they hear you say. political derangement, takes brain power and throws all but that of a 3 year old away. Its all in fairness.

Posted by: arbitrary turn back at October 04, 2017 04:37 PM (8RQER)

643 You might want to step back on this one Ace. These "bump stock" things should have never been affirmed as legal by the ATF. They DO operate a semi-auto in an automatic fire fashion. The operator need only pull the trigger once. After that the trigger pulls are automatic and therefor the gun is firing in an automatic manner.

This was ATF incompetence, or worse.

Posted by: McSausage Biscuit at October 04, 2017 04:43 PM (2kF+m)

644 " Waiting for them to come out with Automatic Assault Arrows that I control With My Mind."

you can take the Magic Missile scroll from my 2nd level magic user's COLD DEAD HANDS.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at October 04, 2017 04:50 PM (4ApXI)

645 Has anyone mentioned the Mateba semi-automatic revolver yet? If not, while it is pretty rare (and there are other similar designs, even more rare) it does work and does exist.

Google the Mateba.

Also, 9mm revolvers exist. Rimless. Others as well.

Posted by: Soulless at October 04, 2017 04:55 PM (fvJ/7)

646 My favorite is still the Tweet from some reporter in Baltimore, asking for confirmation on the "rubber bullets" they had found on the ground. In actuality, they were bright orange foam ear plugs.

Posted by: red speck at October 04, 2017 05:11 PM (6Krd7)

647 Looks like the article got edited. It's a lot "cleaner" and doesn't have the obvious idiocy that you pointed out. Probably took a lot of flak for the stupid.

Posted by: P-Dog at October 04, 2017 05:12 PM (CB/n6)

648 This is the 21st Century!
We need Smart Bullets that will not fire into innocent human flesh!
#21ST CENTURY

Posted by: Mme Hillary, Gun Expert at October 04, 2017 05:25 PM (0tN2W)

649 Always fun to watch Ace explain gun stuff: " 'Action' refers to the mechanical movements by which a fresh bullet is moved to the firing chamber (and a spent bullet moved out of it), and also how the trigger is pulled and released."

Just left out one itty bitty feature, the one that, together with the cartridge case, makes the bullet go frontwards instead of having the hot gases come backwards. That is the breechblock, which may be a rotating bolt, a rolling block, a falling block, etcetera.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at October 04, 2017 05:34 PM (AphMS)

650 All right, morons, help this non-gun guy here, because Ace didn't touch on this sentence he quoted:

The modifications he appears to have made to his semi-automatic AR-15s,
which by one estimate allowed him to fire as many as <b>nine rounds per
second</b>

Nine rounds per second: More misinformation or is this true?

From the context -- one trigger pull = one fired bullet -- that's false, unless he can squeeze nine times a second.

This is an important pont, because I guarantee you everyone's eyes are gonna glaze over the rest, but you're going to hear "9 bullets a second" for the rest of your lives.

Posted by: Uma Thurmond's Feet at October 04, 2017 06:45 PM (p1HRj)

651 Has anyone mentioned the Mateba

And the Webley as seen used by Sean Connery in Zardoz.

Posted by: Mostly Harmless Lurker in you backyard at night at October 04, 2017 06:56 PM (1L9V9)

652 Jerry Miculek can fire 8 rounds from a S&W revolver in less than one second (0.99 seconds) and put all eight shots on a target at 25 feet. Or two shots each on 4 targets in 1.02 seconds. Or six shots, reload, and six more shots on one target in 2.99 seconds. I know, because I've seen him do it.

And incidentally, I have to revolvers that fire "automatic bullets". One is a Ruger Redhawk in .45 Colt, that has had the cylinder machined to accept full moon clips for .45 ACP, the other is a Ruger Blackhawk that has a second cylinder for .45 ACP.

And I've seen an A-10 dump 150 rounds in a two-second burst. But the pilot, bless her heart, had been practicing a lot!

Posted by: Retired Spook at October 04, 2017 07:10 PM (HctZi)

653 BTW Ace, nevertrumper radio host Erick Erikson ripped this post off tonight with no attribution. Then to show how reasonable he was to sell his book via the msm, he said that guns should not be a totem to people.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2017 07:39 PM (kLViC)

654 Drunk driver kills someone - fault of drunk driver. Madman shoots someone with gun - gun's fault. Muzzy flies plane into skyscraper - our fault. Thus say the lefties. F 'em all.

Posted by: Gadzooks at October 04, 2017 08:50 PM (UxBQJ)

655 The "cop-killer" bump-fire stocks are Teflon coated, for your comfort.

Posted by: Andrew Benghazi at October 04, 2017 09:27 PM (QPzK5)

656 Thanks Retired Spook, for giving me one answer to my question!

Posted by: Uma Thurmond's Feet at October 05, 2017 09:58 AM (o7EE5)

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