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If It's Friday, This Must Be The ONT
So, anyhow, last week, as Harvey struck, a couple of guys from Galveston met on the 1st tee for their weekly game of golf. As 100 MPH + winds lashed the tee box, and torrential rains poured from the sky, the first guy teed up his ball, then stopped to nudge his partner. “Hey”, he said, pointing, “Look at that idiot out jogging in weather like this!”
OK, that just an old joke given topical trappings, but Oregon says “Hold my beer” anyway.
Photo by Kristi McCluer
Fido Friday
So, last week a couple of you morons were peeved that I didn't include anything about dogs for “Fido Friday”. Well, I would have, if I'd have known about it, so here are 2 bits of dog related content. The first is a reaction to the news that Fido Friday is backI love dogs�� pic.twitter.com/59YVSIokxs
— Best Vines (@daiIyIaughs) September 5, 2017
This second one isn't finished. I use Jasc Paint Shop Pro and Animation Shop 3 to make a lot of these bits for the ONT. Well, I got a new computer recently, and I simply copied my entire C drive to the external hard drive as the best way to move most stuff over. Piece of cake, it's actually worked quite well, but some programs actually need to be reinstalled on my new computer to work properly. Jasc seems to be one of those, but I can't find the disc it's on to reinstall it. I actually got Animation Shop to work a little, but it crapped out and wouldn't rerun, so all I have is this. All I need is to re-size and re-font the text and apply it to each frame, but until I find the disc, you'll have to be happy with this:
Karma
I'm far too intelligent for karma, but I'm just going to leave this here.
Quiz
Quick, what's this?
Small Victory
Texas overturns licensing requirements for braiding hair. Be warned, it's a link to Cosmo, so it goes into a lot of bullshit about this being a victory for Afrocentric practices and cultural blah-de-blah and a bunch of other crap, but they are basically right. What they fail to see, looking through their lens of identity politics and racial grievances, is that this needs to be applied on a massive scale. Almost all state licensing is completely unnecessary and serves only as a barrier to competition favoring established businesses. Why should barbers be licensed? Or landscapers, or even insurance agents? No reason except A) as a revenue stream for the state and B) as I said, to impose a barrier to entry to prevent fair competition. What's really sad it that the fight took this woman 20 years, in Texas. We're doomed. Related: The Government’s response to the Harvey floods: Do anti-gouging laws kill? I've been meaning to revisit Fundamental Concepts and write one on this subject, but suffice it to say that in situations like this, so called “price gouging” is the invisible hand's method of ensuring that desperately needed supplies reach affected areas. This also has nothing to do with human kindness and charity, a great example of which can be seen here:
WATCH: Man gives away his generator - the last one - after realizing this lady's dad is on oxygen & needed it. #Irma pic.twitter.com/7XNfghy0dg
— Nina Harrelson �� (@NinaHarrelsonTV) September 8, 2017
Cooking Food Has Never Looked This Creative! pic.twitter.com/2xHPfx8kTB
— 5-Minute Crafts (@TheDIYcrafts) September 4, 2017
Another One of These Things
Vive La Différence! The cognitive differences between men and women I'm sure I'll still be saying it on my deathbed: Different does not imply that either is better or worse than the other. They are just....different. Doesn't fit The Narrative tho. Quiz Answer That's a Multiocular O, and it's the rarest letter in any language in the world. I believe there is only one documented use of it in history. Either that, or it's the monster that chased the Monty Python gang out of the cave in the Holy Grail, I'm not sure. Tonight's ONT brought to you by Heroes:
(And man, I miss the England that produced such men)
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: NCKate at September 08, 2017 10:00 PM (9S69S)
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 08, 2017 10:01 PM (3C9q2)
Posted by: unsure if deplorable, moron at September 08, 2017 10:01 PM (azcrj)
Posted by: unsure if deplorable, moron at September 08, 2017 10:01 PM (azcrj)
Posted by: VKI at September 08, 2017 10:02 PM (qySNZ)
Posted by: thathalfrican - new faces tie like shoelaces at September 08, 2017 10:03 PM (IYHxL)
Every male Hordist's dream of how many breasts every woman should have? ;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 10:03 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 10:03 PM (eMKNe)
If you're doing the ONT tomorrow night, you'd better not forget the Caturday kitteh vid etc. Because my kittehs don't have species dysphoria and aren't going to ask teh vet for DNA therapy so they can transition into doggehs.
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 08, 2017 10:04 PM (3C9q2)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2017 10:04 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 08, 2017 10:04 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: garrett at September 08, 2017 10:05 PM (tNw24)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at September 08, 2017 10:05 PM (N5dam)
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Have you tried The Gimp? It is the Open Source Community's replacement for Photoshop.
https://www.gimp.org/
And, it's free and easy to find. You just download it.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 08, 2017 10:05 PM (FUu/Z)
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at September 08, 2017 10:05 PM (e9G8E)
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at September 08, 2017 10:05 PM (+Tibp)
Posted by: unsure if deplorable, moron at September 08, 2017 10:01 PM (azcrj)
You'll take third, but you'll get 4th.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 10:06 PM (broQw)
Posted by: LASue at September 08, 2017 10:06 PM (hZ+us)
Posted by: Erik the Redacted, Deplorable Barbarian at September 08, 2017 10:06 PM (q1+kD)
Posted by: Amy Schumer at September 08, 2017 10:06 PM (OVUYQ)
Posted by: Tonypete at September 08, 2017 10:06 PM (tr2D7)
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at September 08, 2017 10:06 PM (e9G8E)
When he learned to walk with tin legs he took up golfing. At one point he had one leg made shorter that the other to improve his score. Dedication. He got to be pretty good.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2017 10:06 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: dutch guy at September 08, 2017 10:07 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 10:07 PM (Sv2/X)
Posted by: tu3031 at September 08, 2017 10:07 PM (O5Q3r)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 10:07 PM (0mRoj)
Nah, it's a pic of the number of brain cells in the average male Hordist.
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 08, 2017 10:07 PM (3C9q2)
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at September 08, 2017 10:07 PM (+Tibp)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 10:07 PM (broQw)
Posted by: Diogenes at September 08, 2017 10:07 PM (0tfLf)
He was shot down, and captured, and the Luftwaffe let the RAF drop a pair of new prosthetic legs so Bader could walk
And then he escaped. He was a helluva man.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 10:08 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2017 10:08 PM (J2oJa)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:08 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 10:08 PM (Sv2/X)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 10:09 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: garrett at September 08, 2017 10:09 PM (tNw24)
Posted by: Rosemary Kennedy at September 08, 2017 10:09 PM (5rdJ4)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 10:09 PM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: Just Call Me 'Pat' at September 08, 2017 10:09 PM (Sv2/X)
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at September 08, 2017 10:10 PM (z2W2E)
It'll be anarchy!
Posted by: garrett at September 08, 2017 10:09 PM (tNw24)
They should be required to obtain a bachelor's of science degree and take 2000 hours of additional specialized training before they are allowed to braid hair. For public safety. And the children.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 10:10 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 10:10 PM (i2KAN)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 08, 2017 10:10 PM (9tO1t)
And then he escaped.
Ten-foot legs will do that for a guy.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 10:10 PM (Sv2/X)
Answer later in the ONT.
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I guess I'm lucky I didn't post my guess of 7 dicks pointed straight at us.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 08, 2017 10:10 PM (FUu/Z)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:10 PM (LTHVh)
Kirk is falling in love, but he does keep his shirt on in this episode.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 10:11 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: kbdabear at September 08, 2017 10:11 PM (Y3yJa)
As a POW he was a champion goon-baiter, trying to get the Luftwaffe to lose their cool. He came close to being shot at least twice. He was eventually sent to Colditz Castle with the other hard-core escapers.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2017 10:11 PM (hyuyC)
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It should include the identification of child sexual abuse victims, because, why not?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2017 10:11 PM (J2oJa)
According to his son, he died in his sleep and did not suffer. Prayers for his family.
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 08, 2017 10:11 PM (3C9q2)
The government should under no circumstances dictate prices of goods and services.
I remember reading a story a few years ago where a guy bought several generators with the intention of driving them to a disaster area and reselling them for a profit. He was busted for "price gouging".
Would the people in the affected area have been better off if there were no generators to be had for any price?
Posted by: rickl at September 08, 2017 10:11 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at September 08, 2017 10:11 PM (5rdJ4)
Posted by: kbdabear at September 08, 2017 10:11 PM (Y3yJa)
Have them make one of those smiley face pancakes for you.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 10:12 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 10:12 PM (i2KAN)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 08, 2017 10:12 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 08, 2017 10:12 PM (XlCCj)
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It should include the identification of child sexual abuse victims, because, why not?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2017 10:11 PM (J2oJa)
Make them mandatory reporters too.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 10:12 PM (0mRoj)
Answer later in the ONT.
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I guess I'm lucky I didn't post my guess of 7 dicks pointed straight at us.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 08, 2017 10:10 PM (FUu/Z)
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And how did that make you feel?
*puffs pipe thoughtfully*
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (J2oJa)
The Machine: Many such journeys are possible.
Kirk: I think we'll just photon torpedo you from orbit.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: Mike Hammer
I've played golf when there was snow on the ground (I was a teenager) . Sunny day, and we used orange golf balls so they wouldn't get lost in the white snow.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: kbdabear at September 08, 2017 10:11 PM (Y3yJa)
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Very sorry to hear this. Do you have a confirmed place to stay? Hotels are slammed in ATL.
Posted by: Sidedraft at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (xiFYn)
Posted by: nelson rockefeller at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (6FqZa)
He left one leg in the plane as he bailed out. New evidence is that he was shot down by a British pilot in a case of Blue on Blue. It was in a fur-ball of a large-scale dogfight.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: original jake at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (kkaXK)
Posted by: Diogenes at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: unsure if deplorable, moron at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (azcrj)
Posted by: Giorgio A. Tsoukalos at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (PUmDY)
hours and nowhere near Atlanta. Evac sucks, especially with a kitty and a
woman with dementia.
Posted by: kbdabea
..........
Whip cream on the pancakes will surely make things better, no? Chocolate sprinkles?
Show her some of your compliance links.. that'll cheer her up!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 10:14 PM (i2KAN)
Posted by: original jake at September 08, 2017 10:14 PM (kkaXK)
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at September 08, 2017 10:14 PM (+Tibp)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 10:15 PM (broQw)
generators with the intention of driving them to a disaster area and
reselling them for a profit. He was busted for "price gouging".
Would the people in the affected area have been better off if there were no generators to be had for any price?
That's it in a nutshell. The increased price signals people to bring more of the scarce good to the area it is needed. No "gouging" = no needed goods coming in.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 08, 2017 10:15 PM (TTxD/)
Posted by: kbdabear at September 08, 2017 10:11 PM
Sorry, kbdabear... Hope things improve soon! (Or that at least you're able to make good time.)
Posted by: Erik the Redacted, Deplorable Barbarian at September 08, 2017 10:15 PM (q1+kD)
Posted by: LASue at September 08, 2017 10:15 PM (hZ+us)
Kirk: I think we'll just photon torpedo you from orbit.
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Yeah.
Young Shibumi loved Spock.
Old Shibumi appreciates both Spock and Kirk.
/but not McCoy, for goodness sake, it's like he's always on his period!
Posted by: shibumi at September 08, 2017 10:15 PM (aT+Bx)
And ask for a side of tuna for the kitty.
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 08, 2017 10:15 PM (3C9q2)
Posted by: NaCly Dog
Yes, he was recaptured. I remember reading about this in the book "The First and the Last" by Adolf Galland, a German fighter plane ace. Galland really admired Bader.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 10:15 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 08, 2017 10:16 PM (/qEW2)
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The only one of those I am any way sympathetic towards would be licensing of insurance agents. Since they can be involved with big money policies and are in a position to defraud people, I would think a criminal background check would be a good idea. Perhaps some basic type of testing to ensure they are aware of the regulations of their industry. But, it should be the kind of thing any competent person could get through in a week or less.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 08, 2017 10:16 PM (pvjTE)
can I get the redheads phone number from last night?
The one who found the porn on the laptop
gonna aks her to go skinny dippin, with this 76yo hunk
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 08, 2017 10:16 PM (kkaXK)
Posted by: michael rockefeller at September 08, 2017 10:16 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 08, 2017 10:17 PM (/qEW2)
That is bad ass
Posted by: original jake at September 08, 2017 10:14 PM (kkaXK)
I loved the first couple of seasons of 'Dogfights!' on the history channel. I always loved the one with the guy who got into an engagement with a Japanese Zero in a Torpedo bomber- and won.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 10:17 PM (broQw)
Old Shibumi appreciates both Spock and Kirk.
/but not McCoy, for goodness sake, it's like he's always on his period!
Posted by: shibumi
I'm a Doctor, not a social worker, dammit!
Posted by: Dr. Leonard McCoy at September 08, 2017 10:17 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 08, 2017 10:18 PM (Lqy/e)
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at September 08, 2017 10:18 PM (+Tibp)
They were good friends after the war was well in the past. ISTR Galland making a special effort to be at Sir Douglas Bader's funeral.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2017 10:19 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 08, 2017 10:19 PM (kkaXK)
Posted by: nelson rockefeller at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (6FqZa)
Indeed
Posted by: Peter Sellars at September 08, 2017 10:19 PM (hscyr)
If you're against "price gouging", you're against free-market capitalism. Simple as that.
Posted by: rickl at September 08, 2017 10:11 PM (sdi6R)
It is a sign of the impending failure of free markets that this point isn't axiomatic.
A socialist country wouldn't have had the generators to sell, so I guess everyone would be equal.
And isn't that just marvelous!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2017 10:19 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:19 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: original jake at September 08, 2017 10:19 PM (kkaXK)
Posted by: zombie japanese pilot at September 08, 2017 10:19 PM (mJ8mX)
Getting a med scanner run over by Doctor McCoy was about as bad as wearing a red shirt.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 08, 2017 10:20 PM (0tfLf)
When I got to my 20s and had the DVDs of the original series I wanted also more airtime for Uhura's thighs. Whoo.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 08, 2017 10:20 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 08, 2017 10:21 PM (XlCCj)
licensing of insurance agents. Since they can be involved with big money
policies and are in a position to defraud people, I would think a
criminal background check would be a good idea. Perhaps some basic type
of testing to ensure they are aware of the regulations of their
industry. But, it should be the kind of thing any competent person could
get through in a week or less.
I'm an insurance agent, and I don't think the licensing that I'm required to have (and maintain-24 continuing education credit hours every 2 years, none of it on stuff I use). Standard legal penalties for fraud should be enough.
And nobody in this industry handles actual money anymore.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 08, 2017 10:21 PM (TTxD/)
Answer later in the ONT.
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I guess I'm lucky I didn't post my guess of 7 dicks pointed straight at us.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 08, 2017 10:10 PM (FUu/Z)
Only 7?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 10:21 PM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 10:21 PM (v3I5m)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (0wem/)
Domino's? Use your amulet of whiteness to get 3 pizzas for the price of one. Unless of course you have delivery option you find more palatable. And honor your amulet of whiteness.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 10:21 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:21 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at September 08, 2017 10:22 PM (q5k0q)
I saw those stupid cooking hacks the other day and immediately thought: they'll never get that smell out of the water ... er, coffee pot.
Also, the Sonobi ad in the lefthand sidebar is misbehaving (at least on my iPad).
Baby Sister Update Follows.
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 10:22 PM (vUcdz)
The interview with Galland in The World at War is fascinating. He was also a technical advisor for The Battle of Britain, and one of the characters in the film is based on him.
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 08, 2017 10:22 PM (3C9q2)
Spoke with Joyce and Hubby this morning. They understand that the most recent models have Irma basically running up I-75, and they are sticking to their decision to ride this out. I can certainly understand that.
Not particularly *happy* about it, mind you. But: their call.
Prayers for all of those in Irma's path.
[To my fellow Hordelings, thank you all in advance for your prayers and well-wishes for my sister and her family]
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 10:22 PM (vUcdz)
Posted by: Gg lurking at September 08, 2017 10:23 PM (3N/o1)
The only one of those I am any way sympathetic towards would be licensing of insurance agents. Since they can be involved with big money policies and are in a position to defraud people, I would think a criminal background check would be a good idea. Perhaps some basic type of testing to ensure they are aware of the regulations of their industry.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 08, 2017 10:16 PM (pvjTE)
And also whether they are prone to waste their clients' time by telling really long and meandering jokes.
Posted by: rickl at September 08, 2017 10:23 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: nelson rockefeller at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (6FqZa)
You know what's a lousy way to die? Trapped under a big old dead guy. Don't ask me how I know.
Posted by: Megan Marshack at September 08, 2017 10:23 PM (O5Q3r)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard
That's no shit! Have you seen the list of Brits who played Yanks in Band of Brothers? It's amazing.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at September 08, 2017 10:23 PM (+Tibp)
JIM
WHY YOU NO WRITE ME
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:19 PM
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Yes.
Also... random "Brain? What is brain? Brain is brain" comments kill me.
Posted by: shibumi at September 08, 2017 10:23 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: Sope Holo at September 08, 2017 10:23 PM (t3kPl)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2017 10:23 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: #OccupiedResoluteDeskLivesMatter at September 08, 2017 10:24 PM (L0QjK)
On the other hand, our votes also cannot affect anything, which is depressing.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 08, 2017 10:24 PM (/qEW2)
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Yeah, Scotty was useful. He got a bit overly dramatic at times, but not nearly as much as Dr. McCoy.
Also... I'm pretty sure that Nurse Chapel was sexually harassing Spock in an episode I saw a few weeks ago.
/and Chekov was 21! He should have been in college, in a safe space with crayons and therapy puppies!!!
Posted by: shibumi at September 08, 2017 10:25 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: #OccupiedResoluteDeskLivesMatter at September 08, 2017 10:25 PM (L0QjK)
Posted by: NaCly Dog
Galland actually flew one of the few remaining Bf-109's in a couple of flight scenes in the movie "Battle of Britain". I think he also had a brief cameo appearance too.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 10:26 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: original jake at September 08, 2017 10:26 PM (kkaXK)
May the carbo-loading at IHOP fuel a serene trip. Good luck, and may no one be an asshole in a car near you.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2017 10:26 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 10:26 PM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at September 08, 2017 10:26 PM (hMwEB)
I never thought of making a video of it all though.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 08, 2017 10:26 PM (0ogQG)
Sad, we don't have a president who should know.
Worthless, the whole rotten swamp.
Posted by: micky at September 08, 2017 10:27 PM (dF9Lb)
Also... I'm pretty sure that Nurse Chapel was sexually harassing Spock in an episode I saw a few weeks ago.
/and Chekov was 21! He should have been in college, in a safe space with crayons and therapy puppies!!!
Posted by: shibumi at September 08, 2017 10:25 PM (aT+Bx)
Crayons were a Russian inwention!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 10:27 PM (broQw)
Posted by: kbdabear at September 08, 2017 10:27 PM (Y3yJa)
Tomorrow they play Abilene Christian, which is that uniquely American collegiate phenomenon where a big school humiliates a smaller school. UNC (Greeley) was supposed to show up to be swirlied by Florida, but the hurricane canceled that.
Hate that. Kinda rooting for Abilene Christian. (I'm a WY Cowboys guy).
Still, can't pass up breakfast burritos and beer.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 10:27 PM (v3I5m)
what do you make of this patent:
http://tinyurl.com/yaxnbv9r
Posted by: shibumi at September 08, 2017 10:27 PM (aT+Bx)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 10:27 PM (2le8w)
___
Men and women are exactly the same. Also, men are inherently evil, raping machines.
Posted by: The Left at September 08, 2017 10:27 PM (aZq03)
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 10:28 PM (tIhIY)
Posted by: kbdabear
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Prayers. Check in when you can.
Posted by: Free Bird Bonding Inc. at September 08, 2017 10:28 PM (9tO1t)
Posted by: original jake at September 08, 2017 10:28 PM (kkaXK)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2017 10:28 PM (J2oJa)
Hillary will now claim that it's proof that the Russkies hacked the election.
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 08, 2017 10:29 PM (3C9q2)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 08, 2017 10:29 PM (m9X4Y)
in some way aren't we all trolls?
Posted by: original jake at September 08, 2017 10:26 PM (kkaXK)
Well one time CBD was called an "anti-Semite Semite"
Trolls, they do bring a smirk to the face on occasion
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 10:29 PM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: original jake
In many ways, isn't this also the story of Barack Obama?
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 10:29 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: Sope Holo
Part of it is the hair getting pinched. We've told you and told you to get it waxed. Bleach would be nice too, but that waxing will stop the pinching hair problem.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at September 08, 2017 10:29 PM (8O3HH)
Scotty was great. Doohan fantastic. Met him once many many years ago. Nice as can be. I loved it when Scotty took over command, sat in the captain's chair, and prepared to kick ass. Doohan's experience coming through.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 10:30 PM (t3kPl)
May the carbo-loading at IHOP fuel a serene trip. Good luck, and may no one be an asshole in a car near you.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2017 10:26 PM (
Drink lots of coffee so all the pancakes don't make you sleepy!
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 10:30 PM (hscyr)
Dying in one's sleep is the second best way for a man to bow out.Posted by: nelson rockefeller at September 08, 2017 10:13 PM (6FqZa)
Heh.
Posted by: David Carradine at September 08, 2017 10:30 PM (e9G8E)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 08, 2017 10:29 PM (m9X4Y)
Just walk away, and there will be an end to the horror.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 10:30 PM (0mRoj)
---
Badly done textural video that was playing last weekend on the upstage video wall during the Deep Purple concert?
/I swear, one of their video bits featured the Gaiam yoga logo. Not cool guys, not cool.
Posted by: shibumi at September 08, 2017 10:30 PM (aT+Bx)
in some way aren't we all trolls?
Posted by: original jake at September 08, 2017 10:26 PM (kkaXK)
******
Nah. There was a question as to whether Garrett was a troll. He himself confirmed he was just an asshole, which is a little different than a troll, and seemingly could be applied to most commenters here.
Dude is funny as hell.
Posted by: Sidedraft at September 08, 2017 10:30 PM (xiFYn)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:30 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 08, 2017 10:31 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2017 10:31 PM (aZq03)
Yeah. Big nose is right. Finally.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2017 10:31 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse
Everybody trolls somebody sometime
Everybody gets doxxed in the night...
Posted by: Dean Martin 2.0 at September 08, 2017 10:32 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2017 10:32 PM (aZq03)
What should I get?
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 10:33 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: 18-1
If not for my Godson's Fantasy league he got me into...
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at September 08, 2017 10:33 PM (+Tibp)
I reckon he just pissed someone off, likely for some stupid reason that only the offended would deem to be IMPORTANT.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 10:33 PM (v3I5m)
====
well watching young punks who make a min of $500k for about 8 months work not standing for the anthem, fuck those guys
Posted by: original jake at September 08, 2017 10:33 PM (kkaXK)
Nah.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 08, 2017 10:33 PM (/tuJf)
Only a troll would say that.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:34 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: kbdabear at September 08, 2017 10:27 PM (Y3yJa)
***
Glad you have a place to go. Good luck and be well.
Posted by: Sidedraft at September 08, 2017 10:34 PM (xiFYn)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 10:33 PM (eMKNe)
--
lots of crispy wings, sauce on the side, hold the celery sticks
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at September 08, 2017 10:34 PM (hMwEB)
Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at September 08, 2017 10:10 PM (z2W2E)
That's a damned shame. The Lord of Chaos Manor is AWOL.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 10:34 PM (2le8w)
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2017 10:32 PM (aZq03)
Yeah. I live in San Diego. F*ck the Chargers and f*ck Kapernik and f*ck the NFL.
Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at September 08, 2017 10:34 PM (T71PA)
-Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2017 10:32 PM (aZq03)
As a former Cleveland Browns fan, this happened several years ago.
It is only exasperated by the current climate. I haven't wanted to watch any football lately.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:34 PM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Dr. Pineapple Corer at September 08, 2017 10:35 PM (tIhIY)
Looks sorta legit. As a former patent examiner, I would note that the advertising potential of this is not claimed. And it is a pro-se application.
Plus I'd reject claim 18 for lack of embodiment. No working examples are required anymore, but that is still too broad a claim.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2017 10:36 PM (hyuyC)
>> And nobody in this industry handles actual money anymore.
Which is why I laugh long and hard at the stupid money laundering courses we have to take every 2 years.
Wait, I mean anti-money laundering.
Except: Good friend (primary life company's field rep) says it's actually a great tutorial on *how to get away with it*.
I tend to agree.
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 10:36 PM (vUcdz)
"If I sign this, will you shut up and leave?" is a time tested closing technique.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 08, 2017 10:36 PM (TTxD/)
people to bring more of the scarce good to the area it is needed. No
"gouging" = no needed goods coming in.
Posted by: Weirddave
See Venezuela or the old Soviet Union for more examples of this. Fixed prices, empty shelves.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 08, 2017 10:37 PM (0ogQG)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 08, 2017 10:37 PM (6FqZa)
---
My response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGcaNY5eBWw
Posted by: Aunt Luna at September 08, 2017 10:37 PM (Zd2ZF)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 10:37 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: shibumi at September 08, 2017 10:15 PM (aT+Bx)
Scotty FTW!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 10:38 PM (2le8w)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
He's taken A Step Farther Out.
Great writer, great thinker. Wrote a lot of great books, alone and with co-writers (like S.M Stirling and of course, Larry Niven).
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 10:38 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:38 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: Meremortal at September 08, 2017 10:38 PM (3myMJ)
This certainly isn't the first year, but they do seem intent on crushing every single remaining ember I might have for the NFL.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 10:38 PM (tIhIY)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 08, 2017 10:38 PM (PUmDY)
There has been some news in the field of genetics where strands of DNA in modern DNA has been linked to ancient hominids both Neanderthal and Denisovan, and possibly other unknown variations of hominids.
Lotta speculation on how that happened.
Personally, I think the female is a different species.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 08, 2017 10:38 PM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:38 PM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: kbdabear
Walk with God, man.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 10:38 PM (broQw)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 08, 2017 10:37 PM (6FqZa)
Well, CBD is a raging anti-Semite so it's not too far-fetched.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 10:38 PM (0mRoj)
-Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2017 10:32 PM (aZq03)
For me it was when Teddy Bridgewater got hurt so badly. I really liked his skill set and his attitude (really nice guy, humble yet confident). I'm just glad he did not lose his leg.
But yeah, I am not stoked about the NFL. At. All.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 10:38 PM (v3I5m)
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 08, 2017 10:39 PM (3C9q2)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 10:38 PM (0mRoj)
It is known.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 10:39 PM (v3I5m)
I had one dumbass call me a liar, liberal, and say I was not Christian in one comment.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 10:39 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 08, 2017 10:39 PM (6FqZa)
What should I get?
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 10:33 PM (eMKNe)
Wings?
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 10:39 PM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 10:40 PM (KP5rU)
I gonna take a wild guess and say the best way involves the most recent set of Twin Playmates of the Month.
Because that's how I want to go. At their secksual mercy.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 08, 2017 10:40 PM (bIwZ6)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2017 10:40 PM (hyuyC)
Hell no. Watching the Pats get their collective stool pushed in last night, at home, when it was supposed to be part of the annual spooge for Brady night, was must see teevee. I could watch that again and I probably will.
If the rest of the year is like this it will be a great NFL season.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 08, 2017 10:40 PM (/tuJf)
The Phillies scored 3 three run homers and still lost. Whew!
Posted by: JTB at September 08, 2017 10:40 PM (V+03K)
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at
and beers
Posted by: original jake at September 08, 2017 10:40 PM (kkaXK)
I'm mostly rooting for injury this year. And The Cowboys.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:40 PM (LTHVh)
What should I get?
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 10:33 PM (eMKNe)
Wings?
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 10:39 PM (Jcg9Q)
Get the buffalo.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 10:40 PM (0mRoj)
I knew there was a game on, but someone forgot to stand and I forgot to watch.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 08, 2017 10:40 PM (3myMJ)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ycaz9wr3
It looks like it will stall there, and even though the winds will have died down, with all the mountains and valleys in the area, flooding could be a problem.
Posted by: rickl at September 08, 2017 10:40 PM (sdi6R)
But if we re-allocate resources willy-nilly like that, who is going to make my latte?
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 10:40 PM (tIhIY)
Posted by: yankeefifth
Was it a panda? I bet it was.
Kill them. Kill them all.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 10:40 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:41 PM (Ckg4U)
>> And nobody in this industry handles actual money anymore.
Which is why I laugh long and hard at the stupid money laundering courses we have to take every 2 years.
Wait, I mean anti-money laundering.
Except: Good friend (primary life company's field rep) says it's actually a great tutorial on *how to get away with it*.
I tend to agree.
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 10:36 PM (vUcdz)
You're shitting me. You mean agents know what the fuck they are selling?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 10:41 PM (ZTRlp)
May his Family & Friends find Strength and Be Comforted.
May his fans learn a little something from the many gems he left in plain sight. Myself included.
Posted by: Adriane the Sci Fi Critic ... at September 08, 2017 10:41 PM (AoK0a)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 10:41 PM (KP5rU)
******
I've had a dozen jobs in my career. Not in a single one have I been allowed to bring politics into the place of business. And I've found it unpleasant to be in those firms that allow it.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 08, 2017 10:42 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:42 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: original jake at September 08, 2017 10:42 PM (kkaXK)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:42 PM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 10:42 PM (v3I5m)
Buffalo Wild Wings are communist suckers of dead goat cock who should be boycotted into nonexistence.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 10:43 PM (t3kPl)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 08, 2017 10:40 PM (bIwZ6)
You want secksual mercy
You'll settle for a cornary
You'll get Trigglypuff sitting on you
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 10:43 PM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 08, 2017 10:43 PM (3C9q2)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 08, 2017 10:43 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 10:43 PM (eMKNe)
Siamese Sunday
Maine Coon Monday
Tabby Tuesday
Wildcat Wednesday
Tortie Thursday
Posted by: Hillary, settling into her new role as first crazy cat lady at September 08, 2017 10:43 PM (/qEW2)
Kill them. Kill them all.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September
Well no, but we should kill all the pandas to be safe.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 10:43 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 08, 2017 10:39
I heard it went OK, but never saw Timon's post.
Posted by: Farmer at September 08, 2017 10:44 PM (yJ1e6)
Trolls, they do bring a smirk to the face on occasion
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 10:29 PM (ZTRlp)
++++
Sounds like a different way to call someone a "self-hating Jew".
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 08, 2017 10:44 PM (pvjTE)
Buffalo Wild Wings are communist suckers of dead goat cock who should be boycotted into nonexistence.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 10:43 PM (t3kPl)
For a minute there I thought you were Chavez the Hugo
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 10:44 PM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2017 10:11 PM (hyuyC)
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THere was a British drama called "Colditz" that I liked as a kid. Anybody ever watch it? I may have to check it out to see if they had a fictionalized version of him.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 08, 2017 10:44 PM (qJtVm)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 10:39 PM (
Wow, you got it ALL going on.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 10:45 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 10:45 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:42 PM
I hope you get well soon!
Posted by: Erik the Redacted, Deplorable Barbarian at September 08, 2017 10:45 PM (q1+kD)
Make sure you have a valid booking booking before showing up.
This is crazy.
Posted by: Sidedraft at September 08, 2017 10:45 PM (xiFYn)
This DNA sequencing, gene splicing technology is getting to be sufficiently advanced we can start calling it magic.
I would like to understand the process better, but I know it is way beyond me.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 08, 2017 10:45 PM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:46 PM (Ckg4U)
what did BWW do?
Posted by: Chuck C at September 08, 2017 10:46 PM (v8B+3)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:46 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 08, 2017 10:46 PM (XlCCj)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 10:46 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: garrett at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (tNw24)
You ain't livin'.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:41 PM (
How you doin?!
Sorry, slow hanging curve.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 10:44 PM (ZTRlp)
Thank You!
I think.
Hey, wait a minute...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (t3kPl)
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (e9G8E)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (qJtVm)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September
Huh. Knew Hyundai were inexpensive but did not realize that they were being used as currency and people wete earning multiple Hyundai per day.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (Ckg4U)
Not just this year. But I do think the NFL is not putting out a very good product.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (vUcdz)
what do you make of this patent:
http://tinyurl.com/yaxnbv9r
Posted by: shibumi
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*throws Bullshit flag*
Having just glanced over it, there is what seems to me to be 'wave of hand' technology suggested there. Some of it appears to be impractical, and likely impossible to achieve.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 08, 2017 10:48 PM (9tO1t)
Sorry, slow hanging curve."
-Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (hscyr)
*HAH!*
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:48 PM (Ckg4U)
What do you think about El Pollo Loco? :-P
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 10:43 PM (eMKNe)
*****
Yeah. Don't mince words now Vino. Tell us how you really feel. Don't hold it in. Work with us...talk to us.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 08, 2017 10:48 PM (0tfLf)
The sooper-sekrit identity of kbdabear's "woman with dementia" is now revealed. Just be nice to his kitty, mmkay?
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 08, 2017 10:49 PM (3C9q2)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 08, 2017 10:49 PM (/tuJf)
Death by snu-snu.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:42 PM
Snooki want smush smush!
Posted by: Snooki Monster at September 08, 2017 10:49 PM (hscyr)
Hope we can all look back on this and have a nervous laugh, in five years.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2017 10:49 PM (hyuyC)
For instance, gasoline. Why the fuck am I going to drive a truckful to Florida if I can just sell it up here for the same price?
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 10:49 PM (tIhIY)
Posted by: Colin Kaepernick at September 08, 2017 10:49 PM (tNw24)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 10:49 PM (KP5rU)
Hi Y5,
Got your email and the site is working better now. Thanks for all your work.
T
Posted by: Farmer at September 08, 2017 10:49 PM (yJ1e6)
Posted by: original jake at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (kkaXK)
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: Muldoon at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (mvenn)
I always remember the one about the guy who faked being insane to get a Red Cross medical repatriation back home but he actually went nuts. Then the escape chief ordering that this was never to be attempted again after they got the letter from his sister saying he had been safely committed into the asylum.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (mJ8mX)
Not beat. Blew up.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 08, 2017 10:49 PM (/tuJf)
Well, shoot! Shoulda watched the replay on Sling.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (v3I5m)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (Ckg4U)
My day started with hate mail left in the door by some goober who is upset that we won't play his request. We can't, because we don't have it. Now I won't, because he's an idiot.
But, the day is ending well, because I have cake. No cake girl, but hey, baby steps.
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (rJUlF)
Posted by: NaCly Dog
------------
I think that you have to lay your hands on the USB port.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (9tO1t)
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (vUcdz)
Sellers gouging in a crisis should be shot summarily, IMHO.
This is ECON 101.. apparently a number of commenters never got through ECON 001 even..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (i2KAN)
last time i got wings at buffalo wild wings, i am pretty sure they were
buffalo. absolute garbage. had no idea chicken could be filled with
gristle, fat, and other assorted unknowns. never again. just shit. threw
them out.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 10:45 PM (KP5rU)
Yup. Nothing like some nice, crispy fried chicken when you want it. As a member of the "Celebrate Chicken" board, I'm sorry you had such a bad chicken experience. Don't blame the chicken...it gave it's all.
Posted by: Colonel Sanders at September 08, 2017 10:51 PM (n3hky)
BWW is rabidly anti-2A, refuses service to those who aren't, has multiple episodes of anti-cop behavior well known in the LEO community, serves shit, service is shit, and donate to far left progtard window licking professional suckers of dead goat cock. Spend your money elsewhere.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 10:51 PM (t3kPl)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 08, 2017 10:51 PM (PUmDY)
Not just this year. But I do think the NFL is not putting out a very good product.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (39g3+)
*****
I try to watch by turning the sound off and just watching. A great way to see just how bad its become.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 08, 2017 10:52 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: Aviator at September 08, 2017 10:52 PM (/Nite)
Posted by: NaCly Dog
------------
I think that you have to lay your hands on the USB port.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (9tO1t)
Slap forcefully with the palm of your hand for best results.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 10:52 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Chuck C at September 08, 2017 10:46 PM (v8B+3)
I think they are a "gun-free zone" for one.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 10:52 PM (2le8w)
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Present company excepted, of course.
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (vUcdz
Forgot the sarc tags for you and WD
I don't deal with health & life policies. So my sarcastic comment was perhaps over the line. However, in the P&C fields I suspect that 80-90% of agents don't know the basics of the policies they sell.
I understand the consumer not knowing. I don't agree but I understand. But the f*cking agents? Off rant.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 10:52 PM (ZTRlp)
******
I've had a dozen jobs in my career. Not in a single one have I been allowed to bring politics into the place of business. And I've found it unpleasant to be in those firms that allow it.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 08, 2017 10:42 PM (0tfLf)
Started my current job about five years ago. At the in brief was told explicitly No Politics. Told the boss I have no problem with that, the problem is, for some people EVERYTHING is politics.
And here we are today with football and the old statues being off limits at the water cooler...
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 10:52 PM (IWbvi)
Posted by: shep at September 08, 2017 10:52 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:52 PM (LTHVh)
Got your email and the site is working better now. Thanks for all your work.
T
Posted by: Farmer at September
Glad it is working! This should be loads of fun.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 10:53 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 10:53 PM (39g3+)
Am I just an idiot?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 10:53 PM (broQw)
Spock gets to say a lot of witty things. Just ridiculed Chekov.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 10:53 PM (S6Pax)
(Also I had something to drink, and now don't feel as hungry. New technique I'm using to cut back on eating.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 10:53 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 08, 2017 10:43 PM (6FqZa)
Next you'll be telling me that politics has invaded football.
Posted by: Meremortal at September 08, 2017 10:53 PM (3myMJ)
Looking forward to the day I can get out from under those investments.
Posted by: garrett at September 08, 2017 10:53 PM (tNw24)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at September 08, 2017 10:50
Happy Bday tomorrow Capt. W. Enjoy your cake.
Posted by: Farmer at September 08, 2017 10:53 PM (yJ1e6)
Sellers gouging in a crisis should be shot summarily, IMHO.
This is ECON 101.. apparently a number of commenters never got through ECON 001 even...
-Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (i2KAN)
There is a difference between a Free Market and Public Relations. There is a balance, amigo.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:54 PM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (i2KAN)
Please cite a standard.college econ.text for that analysis.
Because it's bullshit.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2017 10:54 PM (wYseH)
Never liked them anyway.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 08, 2017 10:54 PM (0tfLf)
What do you think about El Pollo Loco? :-P
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 10:43 PM (eMKNe)
I have fucked crazy. I have never fucked a chicken in any fashion I will admit to. I utterly deny fucking a crazy chicken. Uhhh, I seem to have wandered from the original premise... in any case:
That being said last time I ate there was probably 1995 and then it was OK.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 10:54 PM (t3kPl)
>> Forgot the sarc tags for you and WD
No worries, mate.
(SWIDT?)
I wonder myself, sometimes.
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 10:54 PM (vUcdz)
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2017/09/
ksc-cape-major-hurricane-irma/
Posted by: rickl at September 08, 2017 10:54 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Chekov at September 08, 2017 10:54 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: garrett at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (tNw24)
Don't remember that but do recall she wasn't too keen on Obamao, so racist.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 10:55 PM (IWbvi)
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 08, 2017 10:55 PM (XlCCj)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 10:55 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 10:44
LMAO, I can always tell Hugo's posts right off the bat.
Posted by: Farmer at September 08, 2017 10:55 PM (yJ1e6)
*Unlike* Hooters, they don't insist their waitresses wear brazenly revealing orange hot pants and tight shiny suntan hosiery. Instead they let the women working for them keep their dignity!! What's up with that?!?!?!? ;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 10:55 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 08, 2017 10:47 PM (qJtVm)
Yeah, I've seen it. It's a tad too busy for me. I'm looking to relax. And by relax I mean sleep off my hangover. I definitely need to go fog up some windows in the Bellagio shops & the forum shops & the Venetian mall and...
You still have my email? We can swap deets & figure it out. I'm guessing SMFH will want to go too.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 10:55 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (i2KAN)
Only if you take Econ 101 from Tom Friedman.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 10:55 PM (2le8w)
There's even talk of spotting runners on base for extra inning games, to get them over with faster.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 10:55 PM (39g3+)
Would much rather know "who you doin'?"
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 10:56 PM (0wem/)
Thank you for that. You just explained to me why my use of 'lightening protection' left me with a bad feeling, like something was wrong, but I didn't know what it was.
I spell like I speak, and I speak with a regional dialect.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 08, 2017 10:56 PM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 10:53 PM (39g3+)
I guess the question is where does normal self interest end and 'evil price gouging' begin? It is hard to judge save by intent- which is not something government is well equipped or should be judging.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 10:56 PM (broQw)
There is a difference between a Free Market and Public Relations. There is a balance, amigo.
Posted by: Slapweasel
............
I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 10:57 PM (i2KAN)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2017 10:57 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 10:57 PM (7ulel)
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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The grammar used is suggestive of a not very professional person.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 08, 2017 10:57 PM (9tO1t)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 10:57 PM (0wem/)
No I haven't forgotten that. It was a pretty low point in Ace's life, but at the time he was torn apart by thinking Trump was going to hand Hillary the election and his life was basically over at that point. Not just "wow this will hurt the country" but "Hillary's weaponized federal government will go after guys like me, officially."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 10:57 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:58 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 10:53 PM (39g3+)
How about a generator auction in a Home Depot parking lot?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 10:58 PM (IWbvi)
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at September 08, 2017 10:50
Happy Bday tomorrow Capt. W. Enjoy your cake.
Posted by: Farmer at September 08, 2017 10:53 PM
Happy Birthday!
Posted by: Erik the Redacted, Deplorable Barbarian at September 08, 2017 10:58 PM (q1+kD)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 10:58 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: ensign chekov at September 08, 2017 10:58 PM (mJ8mX)
I blame Joey Tribiani, aka Holden McGroin.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 10:59 PM (v3I5m)
I agree that its a tough call but at the extreme ends its pretty easy to tell. Everybody knows when someone is just being an evil person preying on the desperate and needy, its sort of a simple gut check: this guy doesn't need to charge $57 dollars for a candy bar.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 10:59 PM (39g3+)
If you get a chance, watch it. After a pretty Brady start, he went steadily downhill and was just an average guy in the 2nd half. He has a habit of starting slow but he is 40 and the team around him isn't what it used to be.
They won't suck over the course of the season but this isn't the same old Pats of the past 15 years and Brady is 40.
Did I mention Brady is 40?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 08, 2017 10:59 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 10:59 PM (vUcdz)
in some way aren't we all trolls?
Posted by: original jake
Not really. I think the standard is this: whether the troll writes 1 driveby or a hundred comments, the thing is that they do not seek to make an on-topic observation, or interact with anyone meaningfully. They only want irritate for the sake of irritating. So he and most here don't really fit that. It's a pretty narrow category (Bill Wynn, Sure).
Posted by: Hillary, settling into her new role as first crazy cat lady at September 08, 2017 10:59 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
They are already doing that in the minor leagues.
Could be about to jump the shark, here.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 10:59 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: Oregon Is Dumber Than Dirt at September 08, 2017 11:00 PM (xnAyb)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 10:53
Do you have a bar in mind for drinks on Thurs.? I haven't seen it yet. Tho I bet I could figure out the crowd, LOL.
Posted by: Farmer at September 08, 2017 11:00 PM (yJ1e6)
IN VINO VERITITS
Posted by: the horta at September 08, 2017 11:00 PM (mJ8mX)
The Hooters near me, which I have been to exactly once, employees skags, and not even with big Hooters!
Their food and drinks suck, so if the chicks are ugly, what's the point?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2017 11:00 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: Joey from Friends at September 08, 2017 11:00 PM (7ulel)
Sellers gouging in a crisis should be shot summarily, IMHO.
This is ECON 101.. apparently a number of commenters never got through ECON 001 even..
No, no it is not. It's just more command and control economy bullshit, an excuse for people who deem themselves better or smarter than everyone else To amass power for themself, at the expense of everyone.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 08, 2017 11:00 PM (TTxD/)
I use Jasc Paint Shop Pro and Animation Shop 3 to make a lot of these bits for the ONT.
++++
Have you tried The Gimp? It is the Open Source Community's replacement for Photoshop.
https://www.gimp.org/
And, it's free and easy to find. You just download it.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 08, 2017 10:05 PM (FUu/Z)
The Gimp's sleepin'.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 08, 2017 11:01 PM (iFZVz)
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2017/09/
ksc-cape-major-hurricane-irma/
Posted by: rickl at September 08, 2017 10:54 PM (sdi6R)
Linky no worky...
But I can tell you for a fact that they are just getting around to repairing damage from last years little wind event.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 11:01 PM (IWbvi)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 11:01 PM (v3I5m)
Posted by: Molly k. at September 08, 2017 11:01 PM (u+fwn)
Welp, could be worse: could let some guy, let's call him a "designated hitter'" hit for the pitcher.
Now THAT would be jumping the sharknado.
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 11:01 PM (vUcdz)
With government imposed price controls, why would I bust my ass to truck in water? I wouldn't.
Prices aren't arbitrary, they are signals. Higher price equals more people trying to make a dollar bringing goods to the people that desperately need them.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 08, 2017 11:01 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 11:01 PM (IWbvi)
Would much rather know "who you doin'?"
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 10:56 PM (
Uh...all of the ladies. Where you been?
Posted by: Joey Tribianni at September 08, 2017 11:02 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:02 PM (7ulel)
This is ECON 101.. apparently a number of commenters never got through ECON 001 even..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 10:50 PM (i2KAN)
******
The word you are looking for is "Profiteering". This is not gouging. Gouging is filling a need at an artificially inflated cost.
In North GA, gas prices went up $.50 in a week. This was not because of "gouging", it was because of increased transportation costs for gas due to refiney shutdowns due to Harvey in the Gulf.
Posted by: Sidedraft at September 08, 2017 11:02 PM (xiFYn)
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Yup, I have your e-mail.
There's always after the Friday grip-n-grin, or after shootin' on Saturday. I am undecided about the Atomic Museum -- I wanna go, but also want to hit the shops, and maybe take in Penn and Teller that evening (their show, I mean).
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 08, 2017 11:02 PM (qJtVm)
Posted by: t-bird
......
Well, geeeze.. like every school that teaches ECON?
Free market forces exist in a stable market.. in a chaotic market like the current crisis in Florida, there is NO free market... Are you that dense?
What about "free" do you not understand??
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 11:03 PM (i2KAN)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 10:59 PM (39g3+)
Can you document any instances of candy bars actually selling for $57, or a few bottles of water selling for $80?
Raising the price of gasoline to $5 per gallon in a crisis means that perhaps those who don't really need it will simply not buy it, thus conserving supplies for those who really do need it, and happy to have it at that price, as opposed to not having it at all.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:03 PM (2le8w)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 11:03 PM (LTHVh)
that was the first mistake MLB made. That and lowering the mound in '68.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:03 PM (39g3+)
There has been some news in the field of genetics where strands of
DNA in modern DNA has been linked to ancient hominids both Neanderthal
and Denisovan, and possibly other unknown variations of hominids.
Lotta speculation on how that happened.
Personally, I think the female is a different species.
No, they're the same species!
Posted by: The Kzinti at September 08, 2017 11:03 PM (3pGfC)
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 11:03 PM (vUcdz)
So I've been watching a lot of drag racing lately, which was my first motorsport. And drag boat racing (which I thought would be more popular down here, what with all the water and all). And tractor pulling. And SCCA racing (I'd never seen a Bentley on a racetrack before two weeks ago).
And IndyCar racing (I attended the very first IRL race down here back in '97 and didn't realize it).
NASCAR is about to lose a really dedicated fan. It's just so meh anymore.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 08, 2017 11:04 PM (bIwZ6)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 11:04 PM (LTHVh)
like 80 bucks for a few bottles of water is another. Sometimes it really
is just evil people overcharging to take advantage of the desperate."
I kinda understand the anger. But the other option is there are no bottles of water. And since gouging laws are arbitrary, no competition for the guy willing to break them at that $80 price
Posted by: X-ray at September 08, 2017 11:04 PM (vzgzF)
Posted by: Farmer at September 08, 2017 11:00 PM (yJ1e6)
...............
Thats easy! You come to my bar, I will have been warming up the seats since I got in on Wed! Duh
Posted by: Molly k. at September 08, 2017 11:04 PM (u+fwn)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 08, 2017 11:05 PM (IcT7t)
is not gouging. Gouging is filling a need at an artificially inflated
cost.
In North GA, gas prices went up $.50 in a week. This was not because
of "gouging", it was because of increased transportation costs for gas
due to refiney shutdowns due to Harvey in the Gulf.
Posted by: Sidedraft
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I have absolutely no objection to profiteering.. It is, indeed, part of supply and demand..
Gouging goes way beyond that..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 11:05 PM (i2KAN)
317
The Columbia River is between the golfers and the fire.
Nice picture, but a bit misleading.
Posted by: Oregon Is Dumber Than Dirt at September 08, 2017 11:00 PM (xnAyb)
Wildfires are nothing to play with. They have a mind of their own, and can jump surprising distances when the conditions are right.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 08, 2017 11:05 PM (iFZVz)
Posted by: Muldoon at September 08, 2017 11:05 PM (mvenn)
The Hooters near me, which I have been to exactly once, employees skags, and not even with big Hooters!
Their food and drinks suck, so if the chicks are ugly, what's the point?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2017 11:00 PM (wYseH)
What are big hooters and what aren't?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:05 PM (ZTRlp)
How exactly are these bottles of water going to disappear if they aren't sold for extreme, exorbitant prices? The water genie is going to evaporate them? This isn't anger, its just basic humanity. Ripping people off deliberately to get rich off their misery is wrong.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:05 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 11:06 PM (S6Pax)
Sorry, ace (with a small a), chaotic markets are what free markets are for.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:06 PM (7ulel)
Posted by: Muldoon at September 08, 2017 11:05 PM (mvenn)
.............
And a Pappa Johns commercial
Posted by: Molly k. at September 08, 2017 11:06 PM (u+fwn)
Their food and drinks suck, so if the chicks are ugly, what's the point?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September
Yep. And another thing, what is the point of going some place where the girls wear skimpy outfits and there is absolutely no groping allowed, not ever, never. You cannot even negotiate something.
Like going to a Nork restaurant, where you are only allowed to look at the food.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:06 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: miked at September 08, 2017 11:06 PM (L3WnE)
Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at September 08, 2017 11:06 PM (AoK0a)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 11:07 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: Farmer at September 08, 2017 11:00 PM
Posted by: Farmer at September 08, 2017 11:07 PM (yJ1e6)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 11:07 PM (t3kPl)
Hah, thought so. Otherwise that pic is just a really cool photoshop.
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 08, 2017 11:07 PM (XlCCj)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 11:03 PM (i2KAN)
Wrong.
So wrong that I am suspicious that you are trolling.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2017 11:07 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at September 08, 2017 11:07 PM (AoK0a)
My answer isn't "we need a law!" its more "we need to take an axe handle to that dude so he learns a lesson!" I'm a much bigger fan of societal pressure and local justice than government power.
Free market capitalism doesn't negate morality. It not acceptable to do evil just because its capitalist.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:08 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 11:08 PM (KP5rU)
Re the prince gouging thing. You can do two things. Let prices rise per market forces responding to a spike in demand.
The naturally rations the limited supply amongst those willing to pay the most for it.
The other option is just to directly ration at the regular price.
If there's a run on gas, then you have to limit purchases and all that.
Posted by: publius, the Persistent Poperin Pear at September 08, 2017 11:08 PM (8O3HH)
Gouging goes way beyond that..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 11:05 PM (i2KAN)
It's in the eye of the beholder. And if I had your eyeballs, I could look at Twiggy and see Christina Hendricks.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:08 PM (2le8w)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 11:08 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Just a reminder, oh keeper of the art: Antonietta Gonzalez. Mind you, I had only started my first cup of coffee when that popped up.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 08, 2017 11:08 PM (9tO1t)
After Katrina, our gas prices shot up to almost 5 bucks a gallon. But it also dropped just as quickly. I live in Colorado. Nowhere near the hurricane.
It's an example of how volatile our economy is. Certain commodities are violently susceptible to acts of nature.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 11:09 PM (v3I5m)
I don't think there's going to be free time Friday night. Y5 has plans. That involve a dump truck. BUT he says he has our bail covered. Saturday may be good, after I get pool lounge time in.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 11:09 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:09 PM (39g3+)
Some things *shouldn't* be illegal, but there should be major social and/or cultural pressure not to do them.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 11:09 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:06 PM (0wem/)
...........
And not getting to pet the dog first
Posted by: Molly k. at September 08, 2017 11:09 PM (u+fwn)
Their food and drinks suck, so if the chicks are ugly, what's the point?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2017 11:00 PM (wYseH)
*****
I'm a fan.
The one near me is fun. Better wings than BWW.
Great beer selection and try the hot ham and cheese sammich. Excellent.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 08, 2017 11:10 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 11:10 PM (t3kPl)
Sure wish I'd bought it for $20 fourteen miles ago!
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:10 PM (7ulel)
Sorry, ace (with a small a), chaotic markets are what free markets are for.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:06 PM (7ulel)
I am in Brevard County. Most places sold out of water Tuesday. Today the closet grocery store had pallet loads of water at the front door, batteries, etc. too. Regular price. I don't think they sold out. I should have run down to HomeDepot and checked if they had a trailer load of generators.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 11:10 PM (IWbvi)
They are still sitting on a shelf 2 states away.
Posted by: X-ray at September 08, 2017 11:10 PM (vzgzF)
They aren't arbitrary at all. Actual economics isn't climate science and trends can be measured.
Jerry is correct. Free market economics has it's foundation the concept of a free market, thus the name. There is nothing remotely similar between a free market and a crisis situation with limited supply like what is happening FL. This situation is more like a monopoly.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 08, 2017 11:11 PM (/tuJf)
Go 'head Mr. President. Getting 'things' done is not nearly the same as doing great things, numbnuts.
Posted by: micky at September 08, 2017 11:11 PM (dF9Lb)
Posted by: the horta at September 08, 2017 11:11 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September
Speaking of the "dump truck" SMFH needs to check in because we need to run through the tsieh early Friday.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:11 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 08, 2017 11:11 PM (IcT7t)
I don't trust that Y5. He seems shifty.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 08, 2017 11:11 PM (qJtVm)
They didn't have any ice for weeks.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 11:12 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 11:12 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Just a reminder, oh keeper of the art: Antonietta Gonzalez. Mind you, I had only started my first cup of coffee when that popped up.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 08, 2017 11:08 PM (9tO1t)
bawahhhhhhhh
Does someone at the AoS owe you a roll of paper towel?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:12 PM (ZTRlp)
So....you liked it!
Cool.
There's more to come.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2017 11:12 PM (wYseH)
The thing is, if you charge too much, people will eventually just come take it and flip you off. If not beat you savagely.
The way I see it, market demands are reasonable: gas at $5-10 bucks a gallon in a 17 foot flood, okay I can see that. Gas at $20-50 a gallon? Now you're asking for a beatdown. Its the difference between "this is what I have to charge" and "I can rip these people off and buy a boat!"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:12 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
****
Well, if it's a crisis situation and they are overcharging for the sucky drinks/food/hooters there are some who would have them shot on sight for gouging. But, in a free market...your call.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 08, 2017 11:14 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:09 PM (39g3+)
Chris you have obviously never been there on 2 fer 1 stripper night with unlimited lap dances and private champagne bath... er, oh, you meant Hooters, not Plato's Retreat, sorry...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 11:14 PM (t3kPl)
The ole' folks are in Jacksonville. My sister is evacuating from closer to the beach to their house. My other sister might have to evacuate from close to the river as they are expecting a higher than average storm surge.
Was hoping it would go up the coast & head back out to sea.
Posted by: Adriane the Meteorology Critic ... at September 08, 2017 11:14 PM (AoK0a)
It's called the Brass Knuckle Credit Program. "Beat now, pay never."
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 11:14 PM (eMKNe)
Until one guy breaks ranks and starts selling it for $17 a gallon.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:14 PM (7ulel)
Posted by: Molly k. at September 08, 2017 11:04
Sounds good, I'll be in on Thurs. Give me a shout in my nic below, I know a few are coming in early also.
Posted by: Farmer at September 08, 2017 11:15 PM (yJ1e6)
You can argue that there is a moral cost to the sellers soul....but then we're not talking economics anymore, are we?
Posted by: Weirddave at September 08, 2017 11:15 PM (TTxD/)
If the govt sets the price they are arbitrary.
Posted by: X-ray at September 08, 2017 11:15 PM (vzgzF)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:15 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 10:59 PM (39g3+)
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Yeah, but who cares if someone is price gouging on a snickers bar. Just don't buy it. It's not a necessity.
A natural disaster can disrupt the free market, and that can be a concern with necessities. If the municipal water supply is down, say contaminated or just not flowing, and distribution of bottled water is disrupted, then those that have a supply of water in the affected area are in a powerful position.
But, it's pretty rare for that kind of thing to happen for any extended length of time. People treat that kind of situation as an emergency and usually get some kind of temp fix in place pretty quickly.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 08, 2017 11:15 PM (FUu/Z)
What about "free" do you not understand??
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 08, 2017 11:03 PM (i2KAN)
In a "free" market a person can freely charge 80 bucks for a case of water, and people can freely choose to buy or not buy it. End of story.
Whether it's "moral" or not is decided by....who?
We don't live in a free market anymore. Decisions about what is gouging and what isn't is made by emotions, not facts.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:15 PM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 08, 2017 11:11 PM (qJtVm)
But...but...he also promised us choos!!!!! I want to believe!
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 11:16 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 11:16 PM (eMKNe)
Until one guy breaks ranks and starts selling it for $17 a gallon.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:14 PM (7ulel)
Watch the fuel truck arrive at those prices. It would happen.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 08, 2017 11:16 PM (Ri/rl)
This situation is more like a monopoly.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 08, 2017 11:11 PM (/tuJf)
Incorrect. There is no barrier to entry, therefore there is no possibility of monopolistic behavior.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2017 11:16 PM (wYseH)
The way I see it, market demands are reasonable: gas at $5-10 bucks a gallon in a 17 foot flood, okay I can see that. Gas at $20-50 a gallon? Now you're asking for a beatdown. Its the difference between "this is what I have to charge" and "I can rip these people off and buy a boat!"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:12 PM (39g3+)
So then, if there's a beer strike in Oregon, no need of me loading up a truck in Idaho and heading West?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:16 PM (2le8w)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 11:16 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 11:17 PM (LTHVh)
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/rabbit-holes/the-babadook-is-a-frightening-fabulous-new-gay-icon
Isn't it a little odd that a political movement would embrace a character that embodies grief as their symbol?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2017 11:17 PM (aZq03)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 11:17 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 08, 2017 11:17 PM (IcT7t)
And chavez, I'm so old I remember Grumpy's Toy, Sox and Martin, the Green Monster and the Mongoose and the Snake. Top Fuel was running just under 6-sec and I recall the first time a Funny Car broke the 300 mph barrier.
What a shock it was to see how much faster the entire sport has become since I followed it years ago. Any motorsport where they can only guess how much horsepower a top fuel dragster makes because there's no way to measure it makes my pocket protector get all stiff.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 08, 2017 11:17 PM (bIwZ6)
*****
They could get him a bigger helmet.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 08, 2017 11:05 PM (mvenn)
Tom Brady is a hydrocephalic?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 11:18 PM (broQw)
Posted by: Shep Smith at September 08, 2017 11:18 PM (YXJ+5)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 11:16 PM (hscyr)
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Yeah, we're only getting the Choos because we're going to be "hostesses" at a Chinese gangster club.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 08, 2017 11:18 PM (qJtVm)
The problem is that's not how it works in a massive crisis like we're discussing. People weren't able to speed around Houston on their boat looking for the best gas prices. The local place that just happened to be open was it. If he's gouging, there is no competition. It doesn't matter if some other guy cuts his prices, he's still only going to get the customers that can reach him and are aware of it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:18 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:12 PM (39g3+)
******
This is where the Market comes into play. Pretty quickly, someone who can sell it for less comes into play.
Posted by: Sidedraft at September 08, 2017 11:18 PM (xiFYn)
CARBON FREAK
Posted by: the horta at September 08, 2017 11:11 PM (mJ8mX)
HORTA, QUANTUM SUBSPACE NODE BROKEN DUE TO DRUNKEN NODE-FUCKER STICKING MASSIVE TOOL INTO DATA PORT. MEET ME SPACE TRUCK STOP #5 AROUND BACK 100 STANDARD HOURS FROM NOW. DON'T WEAR ANYTHING COMPLICATED.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 11:18 PM (t3kPl)
Sounds reasonable. Or rather, a mob beatdown.
Sounds like socialism, to me.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 11:19 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 11:19 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:08 PM (2le8w)
*Psst* can I borrow those glasses?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 11:19 PM (broQw)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:15 PM (0wem/)
This! And the converse of that is that most of the people complaining about "gouging" are those that were too lazy or too stupid to prepare in advance.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:19 PM (2le8w)
Posted by: Grump928(c)
It worked so well in 1973.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:19 PM (YXJ+5)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September
Which is also known as Suite 2020 at the Rio. Come alone.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:19 PM (0wem/)
Normal, every day truck stop pricing for a gallon of drinking water, back when I was doing that, was $3.50 and I paid the price.
That same gallon of water at walmart was 98 cents.
Here is the other side of the coin. Fuel stops were set by the company, but my truck had a 1200 mile range. I once told a place that they were not competing with the guy across the road, they were competing with every truck stop within 500 miles. They just shrugged it off because they had all the business they wanted.
They also had a small parking lot, and it was always full. I never went in there again.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 08, 2017 11:20 PM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: Blanco Basura
Hoping High Summer has passed for the year. Not as young as I used to be ...
Posted by: Adriane the Meteorology Critic ... at September 08, 2017 11:20 PM (AoK0a)
Camping weekend with the Boy Scout troop at Assateague Island State Park. Nice waning gibbous moonrise over the Atlantic Ocean. Tomorrow we'll likely see the woebegone ponies of Assateague / Chincoteague.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 08, 2017 11:20 PM (0LaWm)
The price "gouging" that we are talking about is the mechanism that ensures that that limited supply becomes plentiful again, ffs!
Posted by: Weirddave at September 08, 2017 11:20 PM (TTxD/)
Actually there is. Take Houston as the example again: nobody was getting in with supplies. Not for days. They were isolated, with no competition and no entry. In a crisis of that kind, as expected for Florida, there's no free market left at all.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:20 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Grump928(c)
It worked so well in 1973.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:19 PM (YXJ+5)
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It's done gamgbusters for Venezuela.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2017 11:20 PM (J2oJa)
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The eclipse glasses were a pretty good example of all this.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at September 08, 2017 11:20 PM (OVUYQ)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 11:21 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 11:18 PM (broQw)
.............
Possible but I'm gonna go with LOSER. I lost 2 squares on him last night. 50 bucks a shot on the big board. Never been a Patriots fan but WTF, how did I lost at home to the Chiefs?? Disclosure........I'm a Bronco fan so I hated both teams
Posted by: Molly k. at September 08, 2017 11:21 PM (u+fwn)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 11:21 PM (eMKNe)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:18 PM (39g3+)
Assuming there's no competition because someone is gouging is one helluva stretch.
He might get away with it temporarily, but once word gets out, he's gonna have competitors out the wazoo and presto, supply brings price down.
End of story.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:22 PM (Jcg9Q)
After Katrina, our gas prices shot up to almost 5 bucks a gallon. But it also dropped just as quickly. I live in Colorado. Nowhere near the hurricane.
It's an example of how volatile our economy is. Certain commodities are violently susceptible to acts of nature.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 11:09 PM (v3I5m)
It also says something about where a lot of our refinery capacity is (i.e. in the middle of hurricane central.) Might not be a bad idea to have some in North Dakota- then we only have to worry about boatloads of snow, I guess.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 11:22 PM (broQw)
Posted by: Grump928(c)
Ummm, like, no.
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at September 08, 2017 11:22 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 08, 2017 11:18 PM (qJtV
Nah, we'd be missed. People would come looking for us. Not to mention you & SMFH could kill him with your bare hands. In a pinch I could motorboat him to death.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 11:22 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars
I did that with my son's Scout troop about 10 years ago.
Really a great week.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 11:22 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: Grump928(c)
And for public shaming of those who sell for more than "they" think they should.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:23 PM (Jcg9Q)
That's true. But then we aren't talking about the government setting the price.
What we are talking about is a specific crisis situation where supplies are severely limited that have nothing to do with normal market conditions and demand is likewise abnormally high and often life threatening. This isn't a free market situation at all and pretending it is is absurd and taking a principle to an illogical extreme.
Price gouging laws have been found to be Constitutional in state courts like Mississippi and Kentucky among others. Not exactly bastions of liberal thought.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 08, 2017 11:23 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 08, 2017 11:23 PM (PUmDY)
Sure, but sometimes that doesn't work out as planned. Your stockpile might get crushed in a collapse or lost in a flood. It might last longer than you anticipated, requiring restocking. Someone might get to it while you're away and steal it, etc.
Meanwhile there's Joe Bozo grinning by his water pallets and charging 100 times normal prices cause you gotta have water!
That's when its tar and feather time, in my book.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:23 PM (39g3+)
The time scales are different, throwing you into a different mental state, but I think they are exactly the same.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:23 PM (pszv/)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:18 PM (39g3+)
When the roads are all closed due to flooding, you don't need gas, because where are you going to drive to? Maybe 5 gallons for your generator, and does it really matter how much you pay for that? And how is the gas station going to refill its tanks if the roads are all closed?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:23 PM (2le8w)
Half-nole county here. I gotta give Publix credit for stocking up like they have this week. They've busted their asses to make sure everybody has what they need, as best they can. Been making little runs as I think of stuff and scenarios like no power for a week or so.
You can't swing a cat in there. I may make one final Guinness run tomorrow.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 08, 2017 11:24 PM (bIwZ6)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September
Huh, would have thought y'all would look good in those silky, slinky Chinese dresses with the mandarin collars.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:24 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: Grump928(c)
It worked so well in 1973.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:19 PM (YXJ+5)
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It's done gamgbusters for Venezuela.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2017 11:20 PM (J2oJa
Remember the WIN Buttons?
Whip Inflation Now.
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Just how long have these damn hurricanes been predicted? And people wait until the last minute to prep for the basics?
Whats gouging? $4.00 for $1.00 bottle of water? Less? More?
Some extra profit is ok? But a lot of extra profit isn't?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:24 PM (ZTRlp)
The discussion/debate about this is one of the (many) things about The Horde.
There are two very different "takes" on the topic, and yet we're debating it in cool, calculated fashion.
Almost as if there's mutual respect
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 11:24 PM (vUcdz)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 11:22 PM (hscyr)
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Any one of these options would be an honorable Vegas death.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 08, 2017 11:24 PM (qJtVm)
Just because it is difficult to satisfy demand doesn't mean that there are barriers to entry.
Try harder...and you will succeed in supplying that demand.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2017 11:25 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy
Bebe!
I cried because I had no Choos, then I saw the Bootz store having a sale ...
Posted by: Adriane the Meteorology Critic ... at September 08, 2017 11:25 PM (AoK0a)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 11:25 PM (eMKNe)
The discussion/debate about this is one of the (many) things about The Horde.
There are two very different "takes" on the topic, and yet we're debating it in cool, calculated fashion.
Almost as if there's mutual respect
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 11:24 PM (vUcdz)
Fuck off
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:25 PM (ZTRlp)
Again, this assumes a situation not being discussed. Gougers don't show up at a baseball game and charge 50 bucks for heating fuel. They are there in a town flattened by an earthquake and there's nobody else around. They are in an area flooded and destroyed by a hurricane where people have to get around on boats. It might be a week before anyone else can even get in to be competition.
Even a few days can be a huge difference in a disaster.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:25 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: the horta at September 08, 2017 11:26 PM (mJ8mX)
The discussion/debate about this is one of the (many) things about The Horde.
There are two very different "takes" on the topic, and yet we're debating it in cool, calculated fashion.
Almost as if there's mutual respect
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 11:24 PM (vUcdz)
Nah, that can't be it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 11:26 PM (broQw)
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:27 PM (pszv/)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 11:27 PM (LTHVh)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (m9X4Y)
But as more people join the argument, the more fucks given will strike lead to a natural balance being struck.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (0mRoj)
Some extra profit is ok? But a lot of extra profit isn't?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
In my neck of the woods, far from the hurricane, a case of 24 bottles of water is typically $3-4.50, depending on sales, etc.
But you know, you need to drink to survive. Unless you can secure clean drinking water in the middle of a natural disaster, whaddya gonna do?
So if that case was $20 (Or $50, or even $80) instead of $4, and I needed it for me and mine to survive a few days, is it worth it?
Thinking here....
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (S6Pax)
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (vUcdz)
Posted by: unsure if deplorable, moron at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (azcrj)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (t3kPl)
Meanwhile there's Joe Bozo grinning by his water pallets and charging 100 times normal prices cause you gotta have water!
That's when its tar and feather time, in my book.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September
Well, all of that is possible, however, I will wager that that is not why most people are running into difficulties. What is more, if you suspect that there might be gouging you could lay in a supply of cash in case. Very likely the same people that neglect to lay in hurricane supplies do not lay in a supply of cash either.
Even our condo board has stash of cash set aside to deal with any emergencies that occur during natural disasters.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (0wem/)
I just read Jerry Pournelle's last Chaos Manor blog post ever.
He said he'd come back from a con with both a bad cold *and* the flu stacked on top of one another and they were really taking it out of him.
All the way out, as it developed.
So, Slap, it's definitely worth it to invest time/money in resting up, conserving strength and safely beating your illness.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (ujwCG)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:18 PM (39g3+)
The hurricane hit Friday/Saturday. I had 1 truck of produce load in Houston on the following Wed., I had 2 more trucks arrive, I believe one unloaded on Sat, one on Tuesday.
Build it, they will come.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 08, 2017 11:23 PM (/tuJf)
LIbs aren't the only ones who make decisions based on feelings.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:29 PM (Jcg9Q)
Loosening Regis and facilitating wholesale delivery does more to prevent gouging than Pam Bondi going after gougers.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 11:29 PM (IWbvi)
Posted by: Grump928(c)
*****
Actually, it seems like it would make more sense for the government to take possession of all commodities in a crisis based on the owners ability to supply said commodity. The government could reimburse the original owner an amount deemed "fair", and then distribute those commodities directly to the end consumer on the basis of a rank-order need for the commodity.
Avoids the problem of having the government set the price.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 08, 2017 11:29 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton
IF, you have pair of eclipse glasses,
AND ...
you don't really feel the need to keep them on hand until 2046 (iirc) ...
https://astronomerswithoutborders.org/ awb-programs/ resource-sharing-programs/ eclipse-glasses-donation-program.html
some extra spaces after the / (s)
Posted by: Adriane the Astronomy Critic ... at September 08, 2017 11:29 PM (AoK0a)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 10:55 PM (eMKNe)
The Hooters near me, which I have been to exactly once, employees skags, and not even with big Hooters!
Their food and drinks suck, so if the chicks are ugly, what's the point?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 08, 2017 11:00 PM (wYseH)
The one here in Roanoke was crappy as hell. Only time I ever went to it was with some people from work, and I had to go about 90mph back to the office because I thought my ass was going to explode. Awful food.
And the Hooter's "girls" were nastier than the food. A couple of the cow-workers I went with were females, and a little on the Lane Bryant size. Really cute though, and these two were in better shape and looked better than the waitresses. I mean, they didn't have guts the size of the waitresses.
Shit, I didn't have a gut the waitresses' size back then.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at September 08, 2017 11:29 PM (1JnAL)
Re 'Molson label', are you referring to the beer? I thought Molson was Canadian.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 11:30 PM (eMKNe)
But as more people join the argument, the more fucks given will strike lead to a natural balance being struck.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (mJ8mX)
Whew, for a while I thought there might be fuck off gouging.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:30 PM (ZTRlp)
Based on Bebe's and Gushka's... preexisting evidence... their... frontal lobes... are match for any out there. Combined with their superior intellectual capacity... sigh, rare nay priceless...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 11:30 PM (t3kPl)
To convincing me that price gouging is bad, the starting point is telling me why the diabetic is better off in a store that ran out of ice a day ago.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 08, 2017 11:30 PM (rnAwa)
Even a few days can be a huge difference in a disaster.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:25 PM (39g3+)
So you have someone, who at great personal risk and expense, amasses some scarce supplies, and undertakes to sell them in a disaster area with little or no functioning infrastructure, and now he's a gouger?
As soon as others see that one guy making out like a bandit, there will be copycats, and prices will plummet fast.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:31 PM (2le8w)
I don't think you really understand the magnitude of destruction and the situation. I expect in a few days people will have a clearer picture. Really should have from Houston recently already.
When the roads are all closed due to flooding, you don't need gas, because where are you going to drive to?
You figure those motorboats run on sunshine?
Maybe 5 gallons for your generator, and does it really matter how much you pay for that?
Yeah, it really does. The worst possible time money wise is when you have only the cash in your pocket and no foreseeable income.
And how is the gas station going to refill its tanks if the roads are all closed?
... they're not. Irrelevant to the discussion of gouging, however. As I and others have stated several times before, increasing prices due to demand/supply is one thing, gouging is something much worse.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:31 PM (39g3+)
I saved a TON of money on that one. Fuck you, gougers! By the way, when's the eclipse gonna be over?
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 08, 2017 11:31 PM (kuiuS)
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 11:31 PM (vUcdz)
Even a few days can be a huge difference in a disaster.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:25 PM (39g3+)
Again, what is your proposal? There may be as you say gouging going on with malicious intent, but I do not think you are advocating government intervention. This is more of a moral discussion than anything else then.
In a perfect world we would have charities (Churches, communities) who would also be involved in this type of thing and hence would bring social pressure on people who did not want to abide by the dictates of decorum and standard decency.
What the newsgroups are trying to do is something similar in the form of social pressure, but instead of advocating for honor and decency, they ARE advocating for government intervention. Never let a crisis go to waste.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 11:31 PM (broQw)
Even a few days can be a huge difference in a disaster.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:25 PM (39g3+)
The timeframe is irrelevant. The free market is ALWAYS a self correcting mechanism if left alone.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:31 PM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 11:31 PM (eMKNe)
So if that case was $20 (Or $50, or even $80) instead of $4, and I needed it for me and mine to survive a few days, is it worth it?
Thinking here....
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (S6Pax)
I'm not trying to be bitchy, this is the same argument the left uses for free health care. It's not a service or commodity that someone else provides, I need it to live.
As horrible as it may be, the price needs to go as high as the market will bear to incentivize others to bring the goods or services needed to a disaster area. The price will fall.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 08, 2017 11:31 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: unsure if deplorable, moron at September 08, 2017 11:32 PM (azcrj)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 11:32 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Weirddave at September 08, 2017 11:32 PM (TTxD/)
I absolutely agree with all these points, but in all fairness, one extremely powerful surge can take your carefully stock-piled 3 months' worth of provisions and drop it two counties over.
In which case, $80 water will be cheap.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 08, 2017 11:32 PM (yE+j4)
You likely won't die if you don't get to see the next Arianna Grande concert. You just might if you can't afford water.
There are specific state laws in many states for price gouging and they usually have to do with civil emergencies and basic needs for survival.
Once again, it is silly to talk about free market economics and conflate that with emergency conditions.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 08, 2017 11:32 PM (/tuJf)
We were just discussing "Lucifer's Hammer" at work today in light of all the natural disasters of late.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 08, 2017 11:33 PM (qJtVm)
Even our condo board has stash of cash set aside to deal with any emergencies that occur during natural disasters.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (0wem/)
So and the board are still expecting your place to burn?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:33 PM (ZTRlp)
-Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2017 11:28 PM (ujwCG)
Thank You, Brother. I'm taking that good advice.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 11:33 PM (Ckg4U)
Sorry to hear 29 is being so rough on you.
I think we've got another week or two of possible High Summer temp days, and then down to regular Summer until November.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 08, 2017 11:33 PM (IcT7t)
Posted by: NCKate at September 08, 2017 11:33 PM (9S69S)
Careful, you're getting straw all over the place.
One more time: Charging more because of demand being high and supply low is reasonable and expected.
Grossly overcharging simply to prey off of peoples' desperation: something else entirely. One is understandable, the other is immoral and wrong.
The hurricane hit Friday/Saturday. I had 1 truck of produce load in Houston on the following Wed., I had 2 more trucks arrive, I believe one unloaded on Sat, one on Tuesday.
Exactly. No food or anything getting in until.... 4 days later. This isn't like someone can show up the next day and fix everything.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:33 PM (39g3+)
AND ...
you don't really feel the need to keep them on hand until 2046 (iirc) ...
Posted by: Adriane the Astronomy Critic ... at September 08, 2017 11:29 PM (AoK0a)
2024 there is supposed to be one that hits some of the US.
Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2017 11:33 PM (cAnNx)
Posted by: Farmer at September 08, 2017 11:33 PM (yJ1e6)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 08, 2017 11:34 PM (PUmDY)
Re 'Molson label', are you referring to the beer? I thought Molson was Canadian.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 11:30 PM (eMKNe)
Molson is Canadian.
I was posting from my phone the other day and tried to type "molon labe" and it came out "Molson labe" so I kept it.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:34 PM (Jcg9Q)
A water purification straw costs fifteen bucks and doesn't expire other than from continual (IIRC a thousand liters) of use.
Meanwhile, elsewhere in the annals of People Who Just Won't Listen Or Learn, I'm looking at a bunch of wire service photos of Floridians putting up wood over their windows, and doing it all wrong. Again. As happens every damn time. Hope they weren't too fond of their houses or the stuff inside.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2017 11:34 PM (ujwCG)
Posted by: Farmer at September 08, 2017 11:33 PM (yJ1e6)
I doubt I will ever see a hurricane named Frobel (My great grandfather on my Dad's mother's side.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 11:35 PM (broQw)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 11:35 PM (hscyr)
In theory land, where human lives and families aren't an issue, sure. The fact that a gasoline monopoly would self correct some day doesn't mean that for over a century it would not still be a monopoly.
But human lives are involved here. You go without heat or cooking for a week while your kids are going hungry and see how well that theory works out for you.
Again: I'm not calling for anti-gouging laws, I'm calling for morality, human decency, and a society willing to punish gougers without needing government to do it for them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:36 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:36 PM (0wem/)
I absolutely agree with all these points, but in all fairness, one extremely powerful surge can take your carefully stock-piled 3 months' worth of provisions and drop it two counties over.
In which case, $80 water will be cheap.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 08, 2017 11:32 PM (yE+j4
If your stash gets moved 2 counties over you have bigger problems than $80 water.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:36 PM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 11:36 PM (vUcdz)
If it translates correctly (my ancient Greek is a little rusty. Ok, it's non-existent), it would make a fine t-shirt.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:36 PM (kuiuS)
Local Publix limited what water they had to 2 gal/person yesterday. I had no problem with that at all.
Today they had no water. Again. Bread was also limited, again, no biggie. There are other people who need that stuff too. But I started prepping Monday to beat the rush and stay about halfway prepped as SOP anyway.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 08, 2017 11:37 PM (bIwZ6)
Fuck off
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:25 PM (ZTRlp)
You're funny.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 08, 2017 11:37 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:36 PM (ZTRlp)
Yeah. Like being dead if you were in the same place as your stash.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 11:37 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 11:38 PM (t3kPl)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:36 PM (39g3+)
In an imperfect world you are certainly setting your sights high.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:38 PM (ZTRlp)
Local Publix limited what water they had to 2 gal/person yesterday. I had no problem with that at all.
Today they had no water. Again. Bread was also limited, again, no biggie. There are other people who need that stuff too. But I started prepping Monday to beat the rush and stay about halfway prepped as SOP anyway.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 08, 2017 11:37 PM (bIwZ6)
I've gotten around this limit by bringing 5 employees with me.
Show me a rule and watch people get around it.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 08, 2017 11:38 PM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 11:38 PM (KP5rU)
Re 'Molson label', are you referring to the beer? I thought Molson was Canadian.
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2017 11:30 PM (eMKNe)
Molson is Canadian.
I was posting from my phone the other day and tried to type "molon labe" and it came out "Molson labe" so I kept it.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:34 PM (Jcg9Q)
Is the translation "Take my shitty beer?"
Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2017 11:38 PM (cAnNx)
You go to the game, and you pick up a couple of friends that want to go along.
You get there, and Surprise!, the game is sold out.
But there is a scalper out front that is selling $30 tickets for $80. What do you do? People charge what the market will bear.
Somebody will end up buying those tickets, likely as not.
Nobody wants to be made a chump, but is the alternative mob force?
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 11:38 PM (S6Pax)
-Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:36 PM (39g3+)
Which is why I called upon the balance between Market Forces and Public Relations.
It seems that it wasn't understood.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 11:39 PM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:39 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2017 11:33 PM (cAnNx)
Moving through the Midwest, Ohio to Texas, or something like that.
It's the next (last) chance I have to see a totality. I've seen two 90% ones. My son saw totality in Idaho, and he raved about it. He is not one to rave about stuff. Tells me that the 2024 event is my last best chance.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 11:39 PM (v3I5m)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 08, 2017 11:37 PM (bIwZ6)
Yep. I laid in some hurricane supplies earlier in the week too, knowing that there would be a mass of panic buying later on.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 11:39 PM (0mRoj)
And let's do the math on that. One pissed off customer (that made sure to tell others), lose $30/week turnover, at least until i forget how pissed off i am. Was it worth 40c till the gas ran out?
Posted by: unsure if deplorable, moron at September 08, 2017 11:39 PM (azcrj)
ISWYDT
Posted by: ibguy
******
Oh good. Could you explain it to me, 'cause I think I confused myself or torqued my cerebral cortex somehow.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 08, 2017 11:39 PM (mvenn)
Oooh, thanks wd! Walking close? And how is gingy's dad doing? How you guys holding up?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 11:40 PM (hscyr)
Grossly overcharging simply to prey off of peoples' desperation: something else entirely. One is understandable, the other is immoral and wrong.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:33 PM (39g3+)
OK, how do you draw the line between those two scenarios? Based on your feelz? You haven't offered any suggestion as to how to make that distinction.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:40 PM (2le8w)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:39 PM (39g3+)
Maybe not in YOUR sedan...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 11:41 PM (t3kPl)
In theory land, where human lives and families aren't an issue, sure. The fact that a gasoline monopoly would self correct some day doesn't mean that for over a century it would not still be a monopoly.
But human lives are involved here. You go without heat or cooking for a week while your kids are going hungry and see how well that theory works out for you.
Again: I'm not calling for anti-gouging laws, I'm calling for morality, human decency, and a society willing to punish gougers without needing government to do it for them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:36 PM (39g3+)
First of all, a century is just plain silly.
Also, unfortunately, not everybody in the world is moral and decent. But again, a free market will eventually weed them out.
And if you're so unprepared that you can't feed your kids for a week, they should probably be taken from you.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:41 PM (Jcg9Q)
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Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez: beat the Cubs, Crew! at September 08, 2017 11:41 PM (P8951)
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Of course it's worth it, if you don't have any water. The thing about that outrageous price is that it makes people think harder about how much they really need. If it was still just $3 or $4 you'd be tempted to stock up, and maybe the next guy is just out of luck.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at September 08, 2017 11:41 PM (OVUYQ)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 11:38 PM (KP5rU)
Then you can sell the "value rite" for $200 a bottle.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 11:41 PM (IWbvi)
Da- after the Party's needs are tended to, of course.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:41 PM (kuiuS)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 11:41 PM (v3I5m)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gentleman Drunkard at September 08, 2017 11:42 PM (v3I5m)
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Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez: beat the Cubs, Crew! at September 08, 2017 11:41 PM (P8951)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:42 PM (ZTRlp)
-Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:40 PM (2le8w)
The Market itself will shun you if you decide that you are King Shit. No need for laws, rules, fees, fines or regulations.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 11:42 PM (Ckg4U)
http://hrld.us/2eMN4va
Posted by: Meremortal at September 08, 2017 11:42 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 08, 2017 11:42 PM (rnAwa)
Yeah, its been more than a century that the world has been incredibly dependent on gasoline. With no end in sight.
And if you're so unprepared that you can't feed your kids for a week, they should probably be taken from you.
Not everyone has the extra money to lay in stockpiles of supplies. Should the government take their kids away?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:42 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: the horta at September 08, 2017 11:42 PM (mJ8mX)
Posted by: NCKate at September 08, 2017 11:42 PM (9S69S)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 11:42 PM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 08, 2017 11:42 PM (w+Jhj)
As for me, I'm going to ride out the storm. After finishing up with securing my place and doublechecking everything I'll get with the neighbors and secure everything outdoors that can be secured so it doesn't fly around and wreak havoc. I threw all my stuff around the pool *IN* the pool; all of it is fine with being soaked anyways, and the bottom of the pool is definitely safe from the wind. Didn't have enough space elsewhere for that crap.
Posted by: Locarno at September 08, 2017 11:43 PM (HhYvn)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:39 PM (39g3+)
Then you chose your vehicle....poorly.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:43 PM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 08, 2017 11:43 PM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
If Al Gore is involved, do the opposite of whatever he says!
Posted by: Adriane the Astronomy Critic ... at September 08, 2017 11:44 PM (AoK0a)
You get there, and Surprise!, the game is sold out.
But there is a scalper out front that is selling $30 tickets for $80. What do you do? People charge what the market will bear.
Somebody will end up buying those tickets, likely as not.
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Once upon a time those might have been genuine tickets, but with imaging and printing technology as it is today, it's likely those "tickets" are fake. Hackers are taking it to the level of hacking into ticketing systems, figuring out the ticketing codes, and printing very realistic tickets that are even (falsely) tracked back to a real customer.
It's not worth it. Whoever bought the real tickets for the seats, and has the original credit card in their pocket to prove the purchase made with the venue, gets the seats.
Posted by: Boots at September 08, 2017 11:44 PM (mVypW)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:40 PM (2le8w)
It's all subjective. You either let the market do what it will do and suffer consequences or you let the government intervene. And once the gov gets involved, you have a bigger problem and less freedom
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:44 PM (ZTRlp)
https://xkcd.com/456/
(sfw)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 08, 2017 11:44 PM (IcT7t)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 11:45 PM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:42 PM (39g3+)
Spend an extra 5 bucks a week on this and that and before long, say a year, you have a bigger stockpile than you probably need.
But no, can't expect people to plan ahead now, can we? That would be.....hard.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:45 PM (Jcg9Q)
It's as if the invisible hand temporarily loses its grip, and the range of pricing goes haywire temporarily (both on the high end, i.e. gouging and on the low end, i.e. charity) only to eventually reassert sane pricing as the crisis abates.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 08, 2017 11:45 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 11:45 PM (vUcdz)
Posted by: Pug Mahon
I was in Clarkesville Tennessee for the eclipse on August 21, and it was pretty awesome.
If you have a chance to see a totality, take it. It was pretty incredible.
The end of the eclipse, when the "diamond ring" appears as the Sun is emerging from totality was breathtakingly beautiful.
You expected to hear "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" (the opening theme music from 2001: A Space Odyssey)
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at September 08, 2017 11:45 PM (S6Pax)
And they are, along with a whole host of other factors, known and unknown, which only the invisible hand can regulate. Joe Blow charging $80 for bottled water at his 7-11 is suddenly the most useless asshole in town when a truck filled with free water from Wal Mart shows up-plus the Bay City Church has gotten some supplies donated they are making available and human desency like the video in the OP come into play, etc, etc. Ole Joe doesn't get to charge $80 for long ( or if he does it because these other factors AREN'T coming into play, and at that point water is WORTH $80/bottle), plus he's going to be there after the waters subside and if he's known as "the asshole who charged $80 for Dasani during the hurricane" his business may not survive.
The point is that the number of factors involved is literally countless (as in unable to be counted), and the free market is the only mechanism that can fairly - yes, fairly - regulate them all.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 08, 2017 11:45 PM (TTxD/)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 11:46 PM (t3kPl)
Spend an extra 5 bucks a week on this and that and before long, say a year, you have a bigger stockpile than you probably need.
You've... never been poor, have you?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:46 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: NCKate at September 08, 2017 11:46 PM (9S69S)
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 11:46 PM (vUcdz)
It really isn't hard. Every business, in an actual free market economy, bases their pricing on supply and demand. And they have historical records based on their financial statements.
If a company sells a case of water for X on one day and 4 times X 3 days later in the middle of a civil emergency with no other changes to their business expenses and the supply of water has been cut to almost zero, do you have to be a rocket surgeon to figure out what is happening?
Seriously, there are laws on the books in very red states dealing with this stuff. Are people here really surprised that criminal behavior takes place in crisis situations?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 08, 2017 11:46 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
You want to punish gougers? Don't use them. "Simplistic!" Is it?
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:46 PM (YXJ+5)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September
Everyone would be well served were there to be a serious effort to encourage self reliance and independence across the board. Ridicule the unprepared for the long run.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:47 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 11:47 PM (hscyr)
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Three words - Stone, Woods, Cook
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 08, 2017 11:47 PM (nBBdT)
Spend an extra 5 bucks a week on this and that and before long, say a year, you have a bigger stockpile than you probably need.
You've... never been poor, have you?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:46 PM (39g3+)
I've been poor most of my life. Including now.
What's that got to do with it?
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:47 PM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:44 PM (ZTRlp)
I agree with you, and with Slapweasel. The market will self-correct. The "solution" to "gouging" will always be worse than the initial problem.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:47 PM (2le8w)
Posted by: Meremortal at September 08, 2017 11:48 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: Weirddave at September 08, 2017 11:45 PM (TTxD/)
You said that very well.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 08, 2017 11:48 PM (Ri/rl)
assuming there really was a guy on oxygen that need electricity.
Seems like an opportunity there, find the guy, move him to some place safe, and still sell the generator for what you can get for it.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 08, 2017 11:48 PM (m9X4Y)
We stay stocked up and are nowhere near hurricane territory. Of course we're in Dixie Alley, and we're also so far out that we lose power a lot and I just like to have plenty of everything on hand.
If I lived down there I'd have a damn bass boat, too.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 08, 2017 11:48 PM (yE+j4)
Then you'd know that your choice in automobiles is not as simple as "dude, just buy a bigger car!" and having extra money left over at the end of the paycheck to buy anything, anywhere, at all.
Poor means not having enough money, not "having less money than I wish I did."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:48 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: NCKate
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Or just fill containers. As far as I know, water is available anywhere in Florida.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 08, 2017 11:49 PM (nBBdT)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 11:38 PM
I live in earthquake country. I have more than one 5 gallon containers that I rotate the water regularly. Not rocket surgery.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 11:49 PM (hscyr)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:50 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 11:50 PM (KP5rU)
Then some evil bastard shows up twirling his moustache and offers your basic needs for all your money... or more than you have and tough luck, sucker.
That's just wrong, and nobody here can defend that behavior. Its theft, disguised as business.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:51 PM (39g3+)
Gun cleaning in our garage with several friends. I got a great pic I wish I could post here, but identities....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 08, 2017 11:51 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: NCKate at September 08, 2017 11:51 PM (9S69S)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:50 PM (0wem/)
Seriously? That's just well prepared. I carry an emergency kit, jumper cables in both cars. I also have a jacket in the trunks.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 08, 2017 11:52 PM (Ri/rl)
Bebe, sadly the pic wont load but if it's the one engraved in my frontal lobes, I will treasure it forever. I honor, respect and appreciate you for your mind, body, soul and tits. Thank you ma'am.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 11:52 PM (t3kPl)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:46 PM (39g3+)
I, for one, was flat broke, and in debt for a long time. But I got over it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:52 PM (2le8w)
Posted by: Weirddave at September 08, 2017 11:45 PM (TTxD/)
*****
That's kind of what I was getting at @551, but you said it better. Thanks.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 08, 2017 11:52 PM (mvenn)
Kids growing down there will think solar eclipses are no big deal.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at September 08, 2017 11:52 PM (OVUYQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:50 PM (0wem/)
I have a winter Rubbermaid tote that I travel with. You're nuts if you don't.
I don't mean to pick on Floridians. But if you have lived there most of your life and don't have some water containers and a generator to name a few things, you're just doing things wrong.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:52 PM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: Weirddave at September 08, 2017 11:45 PM (TTxD/)
On that we agree.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 11:52 PM (broQw)
Posted by: the horta at September 08, 2017 11:53 PM (mJ8mX)
Gun cleaning in our garage with several friends. I got a great pic I wish I could post here, but identities....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 08, 2017 11:51 PM (PY9jH)
Jane, I'm praying for you all. Stay safe.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 08, 2017 11:53 PM (Ri/rl)
Then you'd know that your choice in automobiles is not as simple as "dude, just buy a bigger car!" and having extra money left over at the end of the paycheck to buy anything, anywhere, at all.
Poor means not having enough money, not "having less money than I wish I did."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:48 PM (39g3+)
With all due respect, that's bullshit. Some poor people can also pay their bills, they just don't have anything left over after for trips to Disneyland and whatnot.
Not that it's any of your business, but you wanna know how much money I have left over for "fun" after I pay my bills and gas up my car?
Zero. Zip. None.
Yet I have enough food and water to get by for three weeks if necessary. That's because I learned the hard way in the Great Blackout of 2003 in Southeast Michigan, Northwest Ohio and Southwest Ontario. That won't happen again.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:53 PM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 08, 2017 11:53 PM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 08, 2017 11:53 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 08, 2017 11:54 PM (PUmDY)
His mock football quarterbacks was the funniest thing ever.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:54 PM (Sv2/X)
Then some evil bastard shows up twirling his moustache and offers your basic needs for all your money... or more than you have and tough luck, sucker.
That's just wrong, and nobody here can defend that behavior. Its theft, disguised as business.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:51 PM (39g3+)
There is a Snidely Whiplash brand of bottled water? I'd buy that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 11:54 PM (broQw)
Posted by: CaliGirl at September
Yep. They are well off, professional guys. Guess they assume having awd is all they need. If nothing else you should have stuff to keep your wife warm.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:54 PM (0wem/)
Seriously? That's just well prepared. I carry an emergency kit, jumper cables in both cars. I also have a jacket in the trunks.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 08, 2017 11:52 PM (Ri/rl)
I keep a backpack in my car with sturdy walking shoes and the essentials just in case I have to hoof it home through Colander Facemask World.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 08, 2017 11:55 PM (qJtVm)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 08, 2017 11:46 PM (
I can bring pudding & whipped cream for a snack. Horta like pudding with whipped cream on top?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 11:55 PM (hscyr)
Makes me nervous, because we don't have even a volunteer fire department within 10 miles.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 08, 2017 11:55 PM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 08, 2017 11:55 PM (PY9jH)
Then some evil bastard shows up twirling his moustache and offers your basic needs for all your money... or more than you have and tough luck, sucker.
That's just wrong, and nobody here can defend that behavior. Its theft, disguised as business.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:51 PM (39g3+)
Then what is the answer??
You've been bitching about "gouging" what is the answer?
Human nature isn't going to change.
So what do you propose government do?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 08, 2017 11:55 PM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 08, 2017 11:56 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 08, 2017 11:56 PM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: ibguy at September 08, 2017 11:56 PM (vUcdz)
God bless and keep you; please check back in.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 08, 2017 11:57 PM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:52 PM (2le8w)
One day after my divorce I was unemployed, my house was foreclosed, and on a Sunday my van got repossessed.
Then found out my bicycle had a flat, so I literally had to walk to the party store to get some milk. On the way back, I stopped at the ATM to check my account.
I had exactly $2.11 to my name. No job, no vehicle, nowhere to go, no job. I got over it.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:57 PM (Jcg9Q)
Well, there's your problem right there. It's nobody's business if it isn't within 10 miles of the volunteer's house!
Posted by: andycanuck at September 08, 2017 11:57 PM (mJ8mX)
I don't mean to pick on Floridians. But if you have lived there most of your life and don't have some water containers and a generator to name a few things, you're just doing things wrong.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September
Yeah, do not understand how the made their decisions that not being prepared was the right thing to do.
Well the FL thing is mystifying too. you would think that anyone who went through a hurricane or knew someone who did would have learned their lesson.
Besides which the whole process of being prepared and the comfort associated with it are cool and fun.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:57 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 08, 2017 11:57 PM (qJtVm)
Poor means not having enough money, not "having less money than I wish I did."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:48 PM (39g3+)
Many people make poor decisions buying cars. They will go into huge debt to buy something that they think confers "status".
Save up a little money, and buy a big old sedan, or a big old pickup. For cash. The monthly payments you aren't making can pay for the extra gas it uses, and even buy you a stockpile of bottled water.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2017 11:58 PM (2le8w)
If people respond to that signal, they will increase the supply. People who ordinarily wouldn't even be in the market.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 08, 2017 11:58 PM (vChNs)
Boarding up the windows shouldn't be Mad Max panic crap, either, just tedious stuff on a day off prior to the hurricane rearranging your life.
Posted by: Locarno at September 08, 2017 11:58 PM (HhYvn)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 08, 2017 11:55 PM (qJtVm)
I only have flip flops in my cars, Now I want to put tennis shoes in there too.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 08, 2017 11:59 PM (Ri/rl)
Then found out my bicycle had a flat, so I literally had to walk to the party store to get some milk. On the way back, I stopped at the ATM to check my account.
I had exactly $2.11 to my name. No job, no vehicle, nowhere to go, no job. I got over it.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September
1. Glad you have gotten through the difficulties.
2. You have a great story.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:59 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: NCKate at September 08, 2017 11:59 PM (9S69S)
Posted by: Muldoon at September 08, 2017 11:59 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: Ralph L at September 09, 2017 12:00 AM (dYZMU)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:00 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 11:55 PM (hscyr)
OOOOHHHHHHH. BEBE YOU ARE LADY IN CLASSIC AND HEINLEINIAN SENSE. UTTER RESPECT AND DEEP ENVY OF YOUR HUSBAND.
NOW I MUST GO AND MAKE FUNERAL ARRANGEMENTS. BEBE PLEASE TO BRING PUDDING AND WHIPPED CREAM. HORTA, 100 HOURS.
OOOOHHHHHHH.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at September 09, 2017 12:00 AM (t3kPl)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 08, 2017 11:58 PM (vChNs)
Yes, a million times yes.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:00 AM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: Country Boy
How? I bet it's a good story. And it better not involve truck stops!
Posted by: t-bird at September 09, 2017 12:00 AM (YXJ+5)
Arguably, the first "national" law for the United States was the Articles of Association, First Continental Congress, October 20, 1774 which included:
"Such as are venders of goods or merchandize will not take advantage of the scarcity of goods, that may be occasioned by this association, but will sell the same at the rates we have been respectively accustomed to do, for twelve months last past. And if any vender of goods or merchandise shall sell such goods on higher terms, or shall, in any manner, or by any device whatsoever, violate or depart from this agreement, no person ought, nor will any of us deal with any such person, or his or her factor or agent, at any time thereafter, for any commodity whatever."
True Americanism does not tolerate price gouging.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 12:00 AM (giT7q)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 09, 2017 12:00 AM (KP5rU)
Wrecked it about a year later. But during that year, it was the fastest thing out there.
I enjoy the simplicity of going from Point A to Point B as quickly and loudly as possible.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 09, 2017 12:01 AM (bIwZ6)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 12:02 AM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Locarno at September 09, 2017 12:02 AM (HhYvn)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 11:42 PM (Ckg4U)
That's what the government is for: Making sure that the people who decide they are King Shit maintain their monopoly and can roll some to the right folk who control the regulations.
A good many people here appear to like the idea of government controls "for emergencies"
but they howl about ObamaCare.
Which means they aren't interested in arguments about the limits to government power, they just want to carp about gradations of emergency.
And I get to listen to catechism about "weed-a-tarians" that so-called conservatives learned from their Marxist teachers.
Yes, I am bitter today. I am tired of being told the government is the only entity that can be trusted with Lois Lehrner's power to do good in the world.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 12:02 AM (Gv+zt)
4,000 watt dual fuel generator with electric start runs about $450.
Propane lanterns or other type of fuel lanterns run from $20-$100.
These are new costs. Garage sales, thrift stores they cost even less.
Still can't afford these things? Network with friends, family, neighbors, church/synagogue members, etc. Not a bad idea to have some plans when natural disasters are forecasted
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:02 AM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 08, 2017 11:53 PM (
The Swiss coed helped?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:02 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 11:57 PM (
I've been poor too, not as horrible as your story but I've been there.
I've got nothing else.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:03 AM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: Country Boy
How? I bet it's a good story. And it better not involve truck stops!
Posted by: t-bird at September 09, 2017 12:00 AM (YXJ+5)
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here we go with male strippers again
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 09, 2017 12:04 AM (vChNs)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 09, 2017 12:04 AM (KP5rU)
Frozen foods eventually become freeze dried foods, even in vapor proof packaging. (All the moisture is still in the package, just not in the food.)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 09, 2017 12:04 AM (m9X4Y)
You just killed the stock market. And pay raises.
Posted by: t-bird at September 09, 2017 12:05 AM (tIhIY)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 08, 2017 11:55 PM
Yeah that'd scare me too
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:05 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: NCKate at September 08, 2017 11:59 PM (9S69S)
Or a very long cocktail hour at NCKate's bar.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:05 AM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 09, 2017 12:06 AM (rnAwa)
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 12:06 AM (vzgzF)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:07 AM (9S69S)
>>You've been bitching about "gouging" what is the answer?
>>Human nature isn't going to change.
So what do you propose government do?
Really isn't that hard once you accept that this is not an exercise in free market economics. Don't take my word for it, ask the states of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas to name a few of the 34 states that have anti-price gouging laws.
Price gouging only exists in emergency situations, that is the very definition. So it has nothing to do with free market economics and yes, it is one of the few situations where government is necessary, in emergencies.
It isn't a difficult call at all when a company raises their prices 3X or 4X because of an emergency with no other changes to their business or the economy other than the emergency.
I'm kind of surprised this is even a close call with people who call themselves both moral and proponents of free market economics.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 12:08 AM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 09, 2017 12:09 AM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 11:35
Frobel? That's almost as odd as Aetius!
Do you know the meaning of the name?
Posted by: Farmer at September 09, 2017 12:09 AM (yJ1e6)
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It's the lifeboat problem. What do you do when you have a lifeboat with capacity for a hundred people, and five hundred people are fighting to get in the thing?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 09, 2017 12:10 AM (m9X4Y)
Not gonna weigh into the mud-wrassle du jour on "gouging", having become bored with identical threads on gun forums back during the two Obama gun/ammo panics.
Suffice it to say just a few things.
There is a tiny, tiny sliver of the populace that appears to really have any understanding of the basic market dynamic, and a shocking % of otherwise seemingly pro-freedom folks who revert, instantly, to self-righteous bolshevik command economics enforcers the nanosecond market conditions (usually temporary) are a problem for them.
There are, indeed, moral speed bumps and other "soft" unwritten rules that can and do "improve" outcomes over pure market outcomes in crisis conditions, and they are generally private and bottom-up and voluntary.
(deleting last item on a particular commenter, per my prime directive to avoid blog drama)
Posted by: gay across the street at September 09, 2017 12:11 AM (QDnY+)
Then found out my bicycle had a flat, so I literally had to walk to the party store to get some milk. On the way back, I stopped at the ATM to check my account.
I had exactly $2.11 to my name. No job, no vehicle, nowhere to go, no job. I got over it.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September
That is even worse than my case - while out with the ex, she 'went to the restroom' by getting in our car and taking off. Went to an ATM to get taxi fair and found she cleaned it out. Didn't even have $1 to take the bus back home. Walked ten miles. Swore I would never be stuck w/o bus fare again.
My very next dollar got folded into my wallet and is still there twenty years later. Ex has been gone for about twenty years too.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 09, 2017 12:11 AM (IWbvi)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's fun to do all the planning on the stockpile. I just love tweaking it. I remember your advice about having chocolate.
That would be one ting I'd have to run out and get, cuz it's dangerous to keep large amounts on hand!
And hell yes I have a winter emergency kit in all three cars, and mama's too. With whistles and all sorts of cool things.
When are we going to get a prepper thread? Is ace afraid of drawing the wrong sort of attention?
We need to compare notes... I know I'd get awesome ideas.
Even a quarterly one would be nice.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 12:11 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 09, 2017 12:10 AM (m9X4Y)
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Apparently some believe an auction should be set up.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 12:12 AM (giT7q)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 09, 2017 12:12 AM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 09, 2017 12:13 AM (LTHVh)
636 I've got 30 gallon ziplocs of ice so we could have a few drinks.
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:07 AM (9S69S)
Will the storm hit NC? My FIL lives in Wilmington and he's 85 and his wife is bedridden. I worry about him.
His house is in the historic district about a block from the Cape Fear River.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:13 AM (Ri/rl)
2. You have a great story.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:59 PM (0wem/)
Thanks.
Yeah, God is good.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 12:13 AM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 12:08 AM (/tuJf)
So we let the gov't set prices?
If that is your answer or Christopher's. Fine. I'll accept that as your answer.
But I would like an answer, leave it as it is or the gov't steps in.
This pussy footing around is getting tiresome
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:14 AM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 11:42 PM (39g3+)
rice runs about $.50/lb
pinto beans run about $3.50/lb
Spam is about $4.00/can
Tuna is cheaper
Propane cylinders and cookers are an investment, as is bleach for water purification, but those are one time purchases.
I really hate it when people tell me that "no-one can get by on foodstamps"
I really hate it that I do because I can't afford better
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 12:15 AM (Gv+zt)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 09, 2017 12:15 AM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 09, 2017 12:15 AM (0mRoj)
Even a quarterly one would be nice.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 12:11 AM (yE+j4)
My husband had to admit to our Dr, that we have a stockpile of antibiotics. The Dr. asked if we were ready for the zombie apocalypse.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:16 AM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: Deacon Blues at September 09, 2017 12:16 AM (dZGNV)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:16 AM (9S69S)
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No. Prices have already been set prior to the emergency.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 12:16 AM (giT7q)
Yep, someone gonna get a good old fashioned ass whoopin', and his business is gonna be plumb rurn't afterwards anyway, even if nobody beats his ass and takes his shit from him.
One of the infinite benefits of rural life.
No one around here is going to gouge anyone, we're all mostly related!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 12:17 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 09, 2017 12:15 AM (KP5rU)
Once my ex filed for divorce I started keeping emergency cash on me at all times, cause you just never know what can happen.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 09, 2017 12:17 AM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 09, 2017 12:10 AM (m9X4Y)
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Apparently some believe an auction should be set up.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 12:12 AM (giT7q)
It will be an auction, the highest bidder may be women and children. Or a friend or relative of the boat owner. But you can bet your ass there will be an "auction" going on.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:17 AM (ZTRlp)
Thanks for the reminder. I stopped getting it because I was getting tired of it.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 09, 2017 12:17 AM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:16 AM (Ri/
I kept my mom's, so I've got a decent supply. But with a farm, don't you access to the veterinary ines? And they use a lot of the same ones as humans.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:18 AM (hscyr)
I really hate it that I do because I can't afford better
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 12:15 AM (Gv+zt)
I was never so poor we didnt have food but I've heard the depression stories.
My grandmother had to quit school at 12 to pick cotton.
She told me if they wanted meat her brother or father had to kill something. Sometimes they went hungry.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:18 AM (Ri/rl)
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No. Prices have already been set prior to the emergency.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 12:16 AM (giT7q)
Who set the prices before the emergency?
Govt?
Local retailer?
His/her supplier?
Manufacturer?
Shipping company?
You can't set prices and expect them not to fluctuate.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:19 AM (ZTRlp)
*dons trillby*
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 09, 2017 12:19 AM (rnAwa)
I'd sooner admit to our ammo stockpile than the medicine chest!
Not that we have an ammo stockpile, of course, because that was stolen with all our weapons.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 12:19 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 09, 2017 12:19 AM (KP5rU)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:19 AM (hscyr)
I'd sooner admit to our ammo stockpile than the medicine chest!
Not that we have an ammo stockpile, of course, because that was stolen with all our weapons.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 12:19 AM (yE+j4)
And your canoe too.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 09, 2017 12:19 AM (0mRoj)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (hscyr)
655 CaliGirl, no the majority of the storm will be west of North Carolina.
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:16 AM (9S69S)
I've been gone all day, funeral. I'm drunk we started drinking at noon. I didn't eat anything all day.
I'm surprised I can type.
Long day.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (9S69S)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 08, 2017 11:35
Frobel? That's almost as odd as Aetius!
Do you know the meaning of the name?
Posted by: Farmer at September 09, 2017 12:09 AM (yJ1e6)
No idea. Lot of interesting names on that side of the family. Esta is one I always liked.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (broQw)
Posted by: gm at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (a0SXg)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (QDnY+)
If I had a stockpile.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (m9X4Y)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 08, 2017 11:56
Best wishes Jane, Insomniac, BrentCohcrane and anyone in the way of this bitch. Be safe and be well.
Posted by: Farmer at September 09, 2017 12:21 AM (yJ1e6)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (9S69S)
Two items that if kept reasonably dry, last pretty much forever.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 12:22 AM (broQw)
Hey, ghey long-distance truckers deserve entertainment too!
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 09, 2017 12:22 AM (3C9q2)
Not that we have an ammo stockpile, of course, because that was stolen with all our weapons.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 12:19 AM (yE+j4)
My Dr didn't bat an eye. My husband was sick and he took the antibiotics we had here, he went to the Dr on a Monday. I told him you have to tell him what you took.
You can buy anything in Mexico.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:22 AM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 09, 2017 12:19 AM (KP5rU)
667 Evil
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:19 AM (hscyr)
* Nelson Muntz point and laugh haaaw -haw *
Posted by: mindful webworker's driveby at September 09, 2017 12:22 AM (d/5DH)
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (Ri/
Start slamming water. Or something with electrolytes if you've got that.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:22 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:19 AM (ZTRlp)
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The pre-emergency market set the prices. Are anti-gouging laws always obeyed. No.
There is murder too but that doesn't mean the laws against it should be removed from the books.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 12:22 AM (giT7q)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 09, 2017 12:22 AM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 12:22 AM (broQw)
Plus they have a good calorie:volume ratio.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 12:23 AM (broQw)
Posted by: Country Boy
How? I bet it's a good story. And it better not involve truck stops!
Posted by: t-bird at September 09, 2017 12:00 AM (YXJ+5)
Well about a month after that, somebody donated an old car to my church, and they gave it to me.
Then a friend got me a job cleaning cars and driving clients at a dealership. 8 bucks an hour, but I had cash and wheels again.
During this whole debacle I actually had a rental property, and my tenant ended up moving out, so I was able to move in there.
One day while I was driving a client to work, he mentioned they were looking for an accountant. That's my background, so he gave me an impromptu interview on the way. I came back in that Saturday, he interviewed me again, and hired me.
A couple months later, the freebie car was dying. I had prayed for a while that I'd like a red F-150 someday. I was slipping and sliding thru a used car lot, I look to my right and voila, there's my truck. Unfortunately, I didn't have enough money for a downpayment.
The next day, Christmas bonuses were handed out. Because I hadn't been there a year, I was ineligible. However, the boss (an old grouch with a heart of gold) gave me one anyways. I brought it up with my boss, and he said "you're the first person to ever get a bonus without being here a year." I'd been there about 2 months.
After taxes, the bonus was enough to make the downpayment on the truck and get the insurance.
I was on my way. Without truck stops. So yeah, good story.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 12:23 AM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (9S69S)
There will be more water than you know what to do with. Hell, we'll be up to our armpits in water.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 09, 2017 12:23 AM (IWbvi)
That would be one ting I'd have to run out and get, cuz it's dangerous to keep large amounts on hand!
And hell yes I have a winter emergency kit in all three cars, and mama's too. With whistles and all sorts of cool things.
When are we going to get a prepper thread? Is ace afraid of drawing the wrong sort of attention?
We need to compare notes... I know I'd get awesome ideas.
Even a quarterly one would be nice.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September
That would be a really good thing. I think it is a lot of fun to game things out. It is really interesting to think about the different scenarios. For instance are you in a shelter in place scenario or an evacuation scenario. Very different scenarios but also very different depending upon where you are. When you are in the city it is much different than when you are outside. Biggest difference is whether or not you have a car and or are allowed to take your car. When 9-11 happened, the only way off the island was walking.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:24 AM (0wem/)
>>If that is your answer or Christopher's. Fine. I'll accept that as your answer.
>>But I would like an answer, leave it as it is or the gov't steps in.
>>This pussy footing around is getting tiresome
As is your ridiculous overreaction and assigning of motives.
What is so hard about you dealing with the majority of the US states, including some which are acknowledged as the most conservative, establishing and enforcing anti-price gouging laws? If you had listened to the the White House presser today you would have heard Trump's White House saying that there is a difference between raising prices due to supply and demand and price gouging and they would be pursuing investigations on the latter and not the former.
This isn't an economic argument. It has nothing to do with government setting prices. It is about people taking advantage of a life or death crisis to raise the prices excessively simply because people had no other choice.
I'm not sure how much more clear this could be. Charge whatever you want in an actual free market. Don't look to screw people when they are facing a life and death situation. Morality was actually built into our Constitution, economics wasn't.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 12:24 AM (/tuJf)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 12:24 AM (QDnY+)
Posted by: RioBravo
Any group of Americans that wish to get together and declare likewise are free to do so.
Freedom of association means that you can not be made to associate with merchants that pissed you off.
Unless of course you're planning a gay wedding ...
Posted by: Adriane the Astronomy Critic ... at September 09, 2017 12:24 AM (AoK0a)
Posted by: Weirddave at September 09, 2017 12:25 AM (TTxD/)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2017 12:25 AM (iVOAv)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:25 AM (9S69S)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:18 AM (hscyr)
We farm vegetables, not cattle. I do have some things for the chickens. But I have neighbors that have cattle.
I'm stockpiling everthing.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:25 AM (Ri/rl)
Hey, ghey long-distance truckers deserve entertainment too!
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 09, 2017 12:22 AM (3C9q2)
Trucker Clock! Who wants it?
https://youtu.be/eHR9LEZD58U
Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2017 12:26 AM (cAnNx)
The pre-emergency market set the prices. Are anti-gouging laws always obeyed. No.
There is murder too but that doesn't mean the laws against it should be removed from the books.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 12:22 AM (giT7q)
So what about fuel price increases due to Hurricane Harvey?The people hauling supplies into Florida suppose to eat that increase or pass it along to consumers. I don't live anywhere near TX yet my fuel prices increased.
So you are in favor of price controls? That's ok. Just admit it.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:26 AM (ZTRlp)
Funny you should mention that. While I was in the grocery store the other day, I thought to myself, "Self, this could be sorta fun if you looked at it that way." It's a challenge and a mental workout anymore. A test, if you will.
My half-assed brother once mentioned to me a long time ago that if you have to do something you find unpleasant, make an effort to make as much of it enjoyable if at all possible. Could be a cold beer at the end of it or some other reward you give yourself, it doesn't really matter.
It was a testament to my stupidity that I'd never looked at a situation that way before.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 09, 2017 12:27 AM (bIwZ6)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (9S69S)
Well, we have a propane stove, and a spring fed pond, so fuel and water are not an issue but we keep rice and beans because they last forever.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 12:27 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017
tee hee hee ...
Posted by: Pre Civil War Slaveholders ... at September 09, 2017 12:27 AM (AoK0a)
"Wildfires are nothing to play with. They have a mind of their own, and can jump surprising distances when the conditions are right."
And in fact, that fire has already sent embers across the Columbia and caused spot fires on the Washington side. Note that the Columbia varies from 1/4 mile to 1 mile across.
Posted by: Bacon Jeff at September 09, 2017 12:27 AM (3JQ/p)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 09, 2017 12:28 AM (KP5rU)
So the Truck Stop Stripping was an avocation, not a vocation.
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 12:28 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 12:24 AM (QDnY+)
I haven't taken antibiotics in 3 years. My husband had a UTI, confirmed by over the counter test. It was Saturday. My dentist friend said to take the amoxicillin. By Monday when my husband went to the Dr., the infection was gone. The Dr. still changed the Rx to Cipro.
I hoard them in case of an earthquake or other emergency.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:28 AM (Ri/rl)
So the Truck Stop Stripping was an avocation, not a vocation.
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 12:28 AM (tNw24)
Everybody needs a hobby.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 09, 2017 12:29 AM (0mRoj)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2017 12:29 AM (nBBdT)
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 09, 2017 12:29 AM (3C9q2)
Hey, if you are going to GNAMM and have not been receiving the GNAMM gang emails that were sent out in the most recent 24 hours send me an email so we can get you roped into the GNAMM gang email list and into the planning conversation
Would hate for someone who wants to get GNAMMed to not get GNAMMed, whatever that means exactly.
end GNAMM transmission
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:30 AM (0wem/)
rice? Why beans? Unless you're doing freeze dried, you're going to need
extra water and fuel to cook rice and beans. Seems a poor choice. What
am I missing?
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (9S69S)
Rice and beans are complete proteins, and they last for a long time. They last longer cooked than a lot of other foods when there is no refrigeration.
Macaroni is OK but is mostly starch, dried potatoes go stale even sealed up.
Most people live somewhere near water, and rice and beans can be cooked easily, and they need to be cooked long enough to guarantee questionable water.
However, it is for emergencies, and it will help stretch everything else you can find. It is also not fun to eat, so it won't be snarfed up in boredom.
You could store Datrex bars, but you won't feel full eating the daily ration (and they make you constipated)
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 12:30 AM (Gv+zt)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 09, 2017 12:30 AM (HaZvX)
Posted by: Deplorable lady with a deplorable basket of deplorable Ca at September 09, 2017 12:31 AM (oLynO)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor
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Well, you're probably reaching the age where fiber intake is important.
;-)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2017 12:31 AM (nBBdT)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 09, 2017 12:30 AM (HaZvX)
"Don't think you're going to find out where I live and fuck with me"?
Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2017 12:32 AM (cAnNx)
My half-assed brother once mentioned to me a long time ago that if you have to do something you find unpleasant, make an effort to make as much of it enjoyable if at all possible. Could be a cold beer at the end of it or some other reward you give yourself, it doesn't really matter.
It was a testament to my stupidity that I'd never looked at a situation that way before.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September
Well you and your brother are right now.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:32 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:20 AM (9S69S)
Rice and beans keep well, and they fill your belly well. Water isn't necessarily a problem; depends upon your situation. Same with fuel.
Now you might want some cases of MRE's, or just canned goods, that can be eaten unheated, if needs must. But maybe you will have 8 cords of green firewood from the trees that the hurricane blew down, so boiling rice and beans will be easy.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 12:32 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:33 AM (9S69S)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September
Pit bulls are fantastic dogs.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:33 AM (0wem/)
I have stopped dating women after meeting their dogs.
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 12:33 AM (tNw24)
Of course there's no plausible scenario in which anything like this quantity of ammo would be useful for "operational" needs. And it's far too bulky/heavy to move.
Reloading helps a lot. I can't imagine not being a reloader for my most-shot calibers - the storage challenge would be real actually stocking enough ammo to not be shopping frequently.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 12:34 AM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Locarno at September 09, 2017 12:34 AM (HhYvn)
694 until recently you could buy antibiotics at tractor supply
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:25 AM (9S69S)
In the Hispanic parts of some towns they sell antibiotics but I'm too white and they wont sell them to me.
I will look at farm supply. I thought you need a Rx for them. From a Vet.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:34 AM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 09, 2017 12:34 AM (KP5rU)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:35 AM (9S69S)
Hillary Clinton gonna walk
Lotta people gonna walk.
Not you haters. You not gonna walk. Only people on the right side of history. With money. And friends in high places.
People like me:
*Skeeeeee. wirt*
Posted by: Anthony Weiner, strolling down the boulevard twirling his dick at September 09, 2017 12:35 AM (t5m5e)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 09, 2017 12:28 AM (KP5rU)
Thanks. Here's another one:
I was buying my rental from an old woman on a land contract. After I moved in, it eventually became a struggle to keep up with the payments, even with a job.
I finally realized I had to throw in the towel and give the house back to her. I made living arrangements for the next several months, started packing, then called her to let her know I'd have to move on.
She was a great lady; lots of great stories about booze smugglers on the Detroit River way back when. Anyways, when I called her, she started asking me where I was going, how much I was gonna pay, etc.
After sharing the details with her, she said "well why don't you just stay in the house and pay that money to me? That way I still have money coming in, you have somewhere to live, and I don't have to worry about the place."
So for the next 4 years I rented a 3 bedroom, 2 bath home with A/C and hardwood floors for $400 a month 'til I moved to Texas.
Not bad eh?
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 12:35 AM (Jcg9Q)
However, it is for emergencies, and it will help stretch everything else you can find. It is also not fun to eat, so it won't be snarfed up in boredom.
You could store Datrex bars, but you won't feel full eating the daily ration (and they make you constipated)
Posted by: Kindltot at September
We actually do have datrex bars in the worst case scenario pack but would not be looking forward to eating them.
We also have a JetBoil in the pack of last resort because Mrs.YankeeFifth does not do well when she gets cold. The last thing you need in a natural disaster is an unhappy wife.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:35 AM (0wem/)
Thanks to Bob Dole's Boner Pills, wood will never be an issue again!
Posted by: Bob Dole at September 09, 2017 12:35 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 12:23
Very cool insprisroning story. Did you say you were coming to the Vegas meet? I think it'd be great to meet you.
Posted by: Farmer at September 09, 2017 12:36 AM (yJ1e6)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:36 AM (9S69S)
Posted by: NCKate
-----------
Too early to tell. Ivan was hard on us. No water for three days, no power for five days. As long as no trees come down, we'll be fine. The larger problem is flooding of the rivers. We started lowering the local lake (earthen dam) earlier this week.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2017 12:36 AM (nBBdT)
After seeing a few episodes of Web of Lies, I can well believe the pit bull pics are a safety precaution. There are a lot of scary dudes out there looking at dating sites.
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 09, 2017 12:36 AM (3C9q2)
So you are in favor of price controls? That's ok. Just admit it.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:26 AM (ZTRlp)
-----------------------
I've already indicated that I support such situational price controls so I am not sure why you insist I admit it again. T Increased cost is recoverable as can be seen from the section quoted below, as and example, from the code for Florida. It also takes into account increases in prices outside of the area of emergency
"The amount charged represents a gross disparity between the price of the commodity or rental or lease of any dwelling unit or self-storage facility that is the subject of the offer or transaction and the average price at which that commodity or dwelling unit or self-storage facility was rented, leased, sold, or offered for rent or sale in the usual course of business during the 30 days immediately prior to a declaration of a state of emergency, unless the increase in the amount charged is attributable to additional costs incurred in connection with the rental or sale of the commodity or rental or lease of any dwelling unit or self-storage facility, or regional, national, or international market trends"
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 12:37 AM (giT7q)
It isn't the antibiotic stockpile I am shy about discussing!
We don't really have a lot of antibiotics, just a few months worth ; I'm allergic to most anyway, and while we do have medical books on hand, I can never remember which are good for what ailments. I am pretty much limited to Cipro.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 12:38 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:35 AM (
What is a jet boil? Is it cold where you live?
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:38 AM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:38 AM (hscyr)
including some which are acknowledged as the most conservative,
establishing and enforcing anti-price gouging laws?
What is so hard with the idea that these laws shouldn't be on the books, that they are in fact counter productive and harm those they purport to protect? Fine, they exist. Doesn't mean they are right or good.
If you had listened to the the White House presser today you would have
heard Trump's White House saying that there is a difference between
raising prices due to supply and demand and price gouging and they would
be pursuing investigations on the latter and not the former.
Would you be as comfortable with the idea of Obama's White House making those decisions? Or is it perhaps possible that the right to selectively prosecute based upon arbitrary, usually emotion, grounds a poor power to grant to anyone?
This isn't an economic argument. It has nothing to do with government setting prices.
This government about the government setting, to be generous, at the very least, limits on prices is not an economic one? That's patently absurd.
It is about people taking advantage of a life or death crisis to raise
the prices excessively simply because people had no other choice.
Yes. Some people will do that. And there is a market based response that takes care of that problem without any government involvement at all; as I indicated earlier there is a societal level response that will help take care of the offenders long term, again, without any government interference at all, and if that fails Christopher Taylor will hit them with a baseball bat.
I'm not sure how much more clear this could be. Charge whatever you want, that's the free market. If you look to screw people when they are
facing a life and death situation, the market will take care of that too.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 09, 2017 12:38 AM (TTxD/)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 12:39 AM (9S69S)
She's fine, but got in an accident on the way home from the grandbabies. So Vegas is probably out.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 12:40 AM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 12:40 AM (PUmDY)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ycvpl2lv
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 12:40 AM (vzgzF)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYA9hvcLekg
30 second mark
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:40 AM (0wem/)
My answer isn't "we need a law!" its more "we need to take an axe handle to that dude so he learns a lesson!" I'm a much bigger fan of societal pressure and local justice than government power.
Free market capitalism doesn't negate morality. It not acceptable to do evil just because its capitalist.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
There's a common error in discussions about gouging during a crisis.
It's the assumption that the inventory on hand can and will be replenished. I own a gas station. When will I get my storage tanks refilled? My bread racks restocked? Gallons of milk for the refrigerator? So that's my inventory for, what, the next month? Two months? Instead of the next week.
What to do, what to do?
I could raise my prices (double or triple to try and cover a 4 to 8-fold shortage), but you'd beat me with a stick for gouging.
I could just keep it for my family's use. But, I am guessing you'd beat me with an axe handle for hoarding.
See, the thing is, axe handles? That's mob shit.
I could
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 09, 2017 12:40 AM (di1hb)
A field day for black marketers.
Posted by: t-bird at September 09, 2017 12:41 AM (tIhIY)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 12:40 AM (PUmDY)
Code. Just like 'Oiling the Marmot.'
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 12:41 AM (broQw)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 09, 2017 12:42 AM (l9m7l)
Neighbors across the street have a pit bull. Female, big, boring, not friendly, not aggressive. Pretty sure they had her chords clipped, her bark (which sometimes goes on for hours, at night) is odd now.
Other day she was loose, in the front yard. Nice. My next door neighbor, with two little girls, has always been especially thrilled when the pit bull wanders the area. Owners are nice, but sort of funky in various ways. But obviously keeping your dog contained is basic - probably a city code too.
They used to have a friend who was doing some landscaping for them. Dog would frequently get out, sometimes come over to sniff around in its unfriendly way as I was doing my own yardwork. I started taking my aluminum softball bat with me from the garage. One time the meathead comes over to retrieve the dog (which isn't very responsive to commands, either), asks me about the bat. "Ya never know," I smiled. He seemed puzzled. Anyway, pit bulls are like ballistic missile systems, you judge capability, not intentions.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 12:42 AM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 12:42 AM (yE+j4)
C. Taylor is now an official Designated Hitter, even if he's an NL fan.
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 09, 2017 12:43 AM (3C9q2)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:43 AM (0wem/)
Hey now, you get back here and visit with us!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 12:43 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 09, 2017 12:43 AM (eMKNe)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 12:43 AM (PUmDY)
Is that family fueling their kid's ventilator doing evil for not selling their fuel at the price that you deem fair?
Posted by: t-bird at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (tIhIY)
She's fine, but got in an accident on the way home from the grandbabies. So Vegas is probably out.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 12:40 AM (
Fuck. Maybe we can horde source her a rental car since she was gonna drive anyways.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (hscyr)
Pit bulls are fantastic dogs.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:33 AM (0wem/)
Fantastically ugly dogs! But, that's not saying much (pretty much all dogs are ugly, they just don't know it).
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (HaZvX)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:34 PM (Ckg4U)
Exacerbated.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (Id9+8)
Posted by: Farmer at September 09, 2017 12:36 AM (yJ1e6)
Why thank you!
Yes, I shall be there.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: Deplorable lady with a deplorable basket of deplorable Ca at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (oLynO)
Cipro has a lot of side effects I wasn't aware of.
My mother is allergic to a lot of antibiotics.
I forget which ones she can take. I probably should write that down and stock up.
She can't take a z pak or sulpha type antibiotics.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (Ri/rl)
Didn't see your post where you supported situational price controls.
Sounds as if Florida has some laws on the books about price controls.
So all of this discussion could have been avoided and we could have been talking about rock n roll, boobs and beer for the past 2 hours DAMN
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: Ripley at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (NbRJx)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 12:40 AM (PUmDY)
It's like waxing wroth, but smellier.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 12:45 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at September 09, 2017 12:45 AM (Fp1nn)
I use a vacuum sealer to do a couple of packets that have chocolates and instant coffees and sugar, and the rest are single serving fruits, meats and starches. Oh, and a mechanic's roll of flatware for eating with.
That's both your no-warning grab-and-go meal kit (one to a person), and it is also your compassionate hand out if the people down the block get burned out instead.
You cannot take care of your neighbors if you are not prepared to take care of yourself first. They go hand in hand.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 12:45 AM (Gv+zt)
Posted by: Adriane the Above the Thieving Wasps Critic ... at September 09, 2017 12:45 AM (AoK0a)
Neighbors across the street have a pit bull. Female, big, boring, not friendly, not aggressive. Pretty sure they had her chords clipped, her bark (which sometimes goes on for hours, at night) is odd now.
Other day she was loose, in the front yard. Nice. My next door neighbor, with two little girls, has always been especially thrilled when the pit bull wanders the area. Owners are nice, but sort of funky in various ways. But obviously keeping your dog contained is basic - probably a city code too.
They used to have a friend who was doing some landscaping for them. Dog would frequently get out, sometimes come over to sniff around in its unfriendly way as I was doing my own yardwork. I started taking my aluminum softball bat with me from the garage. One time the meathead comes over to retrieve the dog (which isn't very responsive to commands, either), asks me about the bat. "Ya never know," I smiled. He seemed puzzled. Anyway, pit bulls are like ballistic missile systems, you judge capability, not intentions.
Posted by: rhomboid at September
Not sure what the count is. The numbers of people who say they are coming is pretty solid even as meetups go but you never know until everyone shows up.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:45 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 09, 2017 12:45 AM (eMKNe)
"Price Controls" are a "Moralizing of the Market", which will be taken care of by the general population if left alone.
There is No Need for Governmental Influence in any way, shape, nor fashion.
In any system, if I decide that a case of water is worth a rider-mower...
...who are you to say that I haven't made a fair trade of goods and/or services?
You are trying to tell two adults with fully cognizant and functioning brains that you know better than they do.
I call Bullshit on this Each and Every time I see it.
Even in "Fake Baseball" Leagues, (of which I am the Commissioner), I see people whining about "Perceived Value".
The guy with All The Gold doesn't value it as much as the guy with None Gold.
The guy with None Gold would give up half of his roster to have Some Gold.
The trade benefits both parties, as far as they are concerned.
Cost/Benefit ratios will work themselves out amongst the individuals. It is NOT my job, (as Big Commissioner), to evaluate anything other than collusion.
Collusion is simply a one-sided trade that benefits one team without benefits, nor advantage for the other side; All in the name of "friendship".
If I decide that my car is worth a case of grapes, who the fuck are you to intervene?
Stop trying to save me. I'm going to be okay.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 12:46 AM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 12:47 AM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (ZTRlp)
I WAS- in my head. I came down on the side of Boobs, Vodka, and 40's music.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 12:47 AM (broQw)
Pit bulls are fantastic dogs.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:33 AM (0wem/)
Fantastically ugly dogs! But, that's not saying much (pretty much all dogs are ugly, they just don't know it).
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (HaZvX)
Come on she's not ugly.
http://i67.tinypic.com/jp8ol0.jpg
Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2017 12:47 AM (cAnNx)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:54 PM (0wem
Dude, warm is easy. If we lose power in the summer, Thor would murder at Biblical levels to keep that generator running for the fans!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 12:47 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Deplorable lady with a deplorable basket of deplorable Ca
Peel the other half?
Posted by: Adriane the Practical Critic ... at September 09, 2017 12:47 AM (AoK0a)
REPLACEMENT COSTS to the MERCHANT.
When the corner gas station had a 10,000 gallon underground tank, that he'd paid $2.10 per gallon for, and had been retailing it for $2.25 per gallon, he can NOT continue to sell (in crisis conditions) for the same $2.25 per gallon.
Why?
Cause he has to make the (seemingly gouging) profit of pricing at $2.59 per gallon, in order to pay for the NEXT tanker load, that is going to cost him $2.49 per gallon. Or such. Insert your own numbers, but in the same logic.
That's the norm.
What was NOT the norm? Houston region Valero gas stations held the line at $2.09, from before Harvey, to even today, right now.
That's even with stations on the other three corners cooking along at $2.59 per gallon.
Valero has enough of a vertical supply chain to have been able to do that, and the corporate wisdom to make less now, as a very smart way to buy a LOT of customer loyalty, after things settle down.
In the same thought though. Most of those stations had no choice but to price for the oncoming wholesale price increases, which were forecast by both the financial and petroleum gurus. That was a reality.
And it would also make it glaringly apparent, were a local retailer to be priced at say, $3.59 per gallon, that he was an asshole.
Guarantee, said asshole would be out of business within a year after the storm.
Texans can be very forgiving. But Texans don't cotton to no price gouging assholes. No, we're not gonna give 'em a lynching or a beatdown.
We just won't darken the doors of his store, ever again.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
* replacement cost principle (not "theory"), applies to all consumables in the market, PERIOD.
Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2017 12:49 AM (MGCfm)
Posted by: $30,000 a Plate Dinner With Hillary Clinton at September 09, 2017 12:49 AM (pszv/)
Our gas prices here in N IL rose .20 in the first few days, now .40 today. I think .40 may be excessive as we are that far away and many closer rose a lot less. Go figure.
Posted by: Farmer at September 09, 2017 12:49 AM (yJ1e6)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September
Heh. Have had quite a bit of experience with the. The real concern with them is that they are strong but the breed is no more aggressive than any other. The problem is with the fucktards that get them and make them aggressive. If they were so fearsome they would be employed in attack roles.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:49 AM (0wem/)
Other day she was loose, in the front yard. Nice. My next door neighbor, with two little girls, has always been especially thrilled when the pit bull wanders the area. Owners are nice, but sort of funky in various ways. But obviously keeping your dog contained is basic - probably a city code too.
They used to have a friend who was doing some landscaping for them. Dog would frequently get out, sometimes come over to sniff around in its unfriendly way as I was doing my own yardwork. I started taking my aluminum softball bat with me from the garage. One time the meathead comes over to retrieve the dog (which isn't very responsive to commands, either), asks me about the bat. "Ya never know," I smiled. He seemed puzzled. Anyway, pit bulls are like ballistic missile systems, you judge capability, not intentions.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 12:42 AM (QDnY+)
Sound like if those people had a lab it would behave the same.
Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2017 12:49 AM (cAnNx)
Yep-- that's why I have kittehs. Speaking of Feline Americans, there must be some women with pics of their kittehs on your dating sites. That's got to be an improvement over pit bulls.
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 09, 2017 12:49 AM (3C9q2)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (
Ooohhh, we've been trying to talk around you. I even posted my boobs butthead. Did you notice? Noooooooooo
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:49 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:34 PM (Ckg4U)
Why would you want to watch football when the Tribe is killing it?
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez: beat the Cubs, Crew! at September 09, 2017 12:49 AM (P8951)
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at September 09, 2017 12:49 AM (OVUYQ)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 12:42 AM (QDnY+)
Had a neighbor with a pair of them. A male and female. Male was huge dog. But, very pleasant. The female, a real bitch.
They never stayed in their yard. Working in the flower beds I started to carry. She was unpredictable.
When they moved I didn't mind seeing her go
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:50 AM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at September 09, 2017 12:50 AM (Fp1nn)
740 I also for prepping or going off grid. Have a decent first aid kit that includes QuickClot.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ycvpl2lv
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 12:40 AM (vzgzF)
Thanks, I just bought that now.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:50 AM (Ri/rl)
Ooohhh, we've been trying to talk around you. I even posted my boobs butthead. Did you notice? Noooooooooo
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:49 AM (hscy
Oh I noticed.
I did indeed.
I even saw a pudding cup
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:51 AM (ZTRlp)
Aquarium supply stores may still sell antibiotics w/o prescription. Exact same stuff you get from the pharmacy, but labeled for aquarium use. Example: Fish Flox is Cipro.
Posted by: Bacon Jeff at September 09, 2017 12:51 AM (3JQ/p)
I've been meaning to revisit Fundamental Concepts and write one on this subject, but suffice it to say that in situations like this, so called "price gouging" is the invisible hand's method of ensuring that desperately needed supplies reach affected areas.
You are 1000% correct. The idiocy of "anti-gouging" laws is obvious. But the government is happier if people can't even have the opportunity to buy supplies rather than them having to pay a fair price (in the midst of a disaster) for them. Of course, the government knows absolutely nothing about supply and demand.
Meanwhile, I am being actually gouged to death, literally, by BarkyCare - which is totally un-Constitutional in addition to being wholly retarded.
I will admit, however, that I am very much in favor of a law that demands that any text in the main post be able to be copied and pasted into the text box. I'd make it a criminal law.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 12:51 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:51 AM (0wem/)
Come on she's not ugly.
http://i67.tinypic.com/jp8ol0.jpg
Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2017 12:47 AM (cAnNx)
Big nose. :p
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 09, 2017 12:52 AM (HaZvX)
-Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 08, 2017 10:34 PM (Ckg4U)
"Exacerbated."
-Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM ( Id9+8 )
I said what I meant and I meant what I said.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 12:52 AM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Bacon Jeff at September 09, 2017 12:51 AM (3JQ/p)
That's heavy-duty stuff.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 12:52 AM (rZ+mb)
and we could have been talking about rock n roll, boobs and beer for the
past 2 hours DAMN
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (ZTRlp)
We still could.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 12:52 AM (Id9+8)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy
Yes, but was that before or after they were price gouged ?!?!?!?!?
Posted by: Adriane the Practical Critic ... at September 09, 2017 12:52 AM (AoK0a)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 09, 2017 12:45 AM (eMKNe)
Maybe she could hitch a ride with one of the Texas Morons coming to to GNAMM? Or we could horde-source some money to buy her a plane ticket?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 12:52 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 12:52 AM (Ckg4U)
Well good for you!
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 12:53 AM (Id9+8)
-Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez: beat the Cubs, Crew! at September 09, 2017 12:49 AM (P8951)
Yup.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 12:53 AM (Ckg4U)
I also wonder if they've though about sanitation in power-less, no water scenario.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 12:53 AM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton
DONE!
Posted by: Adriane the Practical Critic ... at September 09, 2017 12:54 AM (AoK0a)
Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2017 12:49 AM (cAnNx)
Maybe they do have a lab. To make meth in.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 12:54 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 12:53 AM (QDnY+)
Someone's planning a trip to France?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 12:55 AM (rZ+mb)
-----
Until one guy breaks ranks and starts selling it for $17 a gallon.
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2017 11:14 PM (7ulel)
Reminds me of my college days. Now this was when $2.50 could buy you 2 sixes of Old Milwaukee ($1.19 per six).
Herb went for thirty-five an oh zee. One time, I had it for thirty-two fifty.
"Thirty-two fifty?"
"Okay then, thirty-five."
"No, no, thirty-two fifty is fine."
Posted by: Howard Johnson at September 09, 2017 12:55 AM (I1cfI)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:55 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:51 AM (
Country Boy, you driving? Can you pick her up? Otherwise I'm pretty pretty sure we could take up a collection to pay for a rental.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:55 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:44 AM (Ri/rl)
Yep, that's me, too... no illins, cyclines, myacins, sulphas, etc etc etc!
You surely do need to take note of what she needs. Blood pressure meds, thyroid, etc. too.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 12:56 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 12:56 AM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 12:52 AM (Id9+
No argument here.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 12:56 AM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: Adriane the Practical Critic ... at September 09, 2017 12:47 AM (AoK0a)
. . . It's got bells on?
*pats self on back for a pun well captured*
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 12:56 AM (Gv+zt)
Preparing for an emergency?
How dare they!
Posted by: Adriane the Practical Critic ... at September 09, 2017 12:56 AM (AoK0a)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 12:46 AM (Ckg4U)
True story, my husband sold his car for a case of beer when he was in college.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:56 AM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: RickZ at September 09, 2017 12:56 AM (I1cfI)
Posted by: Farmer at September 09, 2017 12:56 AM (yJ1e6)
And the karma guy, uggg, he's just so awful, just heartless, but I hope he's spared, and then takes a knee and asks for forgiveness.
And lastly but more important to me, be safe Florida folks, praying for you & all in the path of Irma!! God Bless You!
Posted by: lousagirl at September 09, 2017 12:57 AM (9plvG)
Oh, and the high school has s sign up outside, "Hate Has No Home here." My husband said "Well, nobody has a home there, It's a school; "D'oh" I thought of putting up a sign that said "But Virtue signalling does."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2017 12:57 AM (iVOAv)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 12:57 AM (hscyr)
Cigarettes at $12 a pack is far, far worse. And that's the regular price thanks to the local government's dictate in more than a few places.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 12:58 AM (rZ+mb)
Example. A good friend of mine had a labradoodle. He is one of the meanest dogs I have ever seen, when she is around. He evidently was abused before she took him in. The thing is he is very situational. He evidently attacked her parent's dog one time and the other dog (a sweet fluffy puppy) had to be taken to the vet.
I stayed with her and her husband for a while with my dog, Ajax. Now Ajax fears no man, nor beast so he wanted to play with him. The other dog had no desire- when my friend was around. Her husband and I tried it out once while she was at work and they completely ignored one another other than sniffing each others asses. They were fine.
We came to the conclusion that her dog tensed up and acted like an asshole whenever she saw he was in a shaky situation because SHE tensed up and built up anxiety. It was a self feeding loop.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 12:58 AM (broQw)
And yet, you have proven no harm from the laws with the harm from price gouging is demonstrable.
>>Would you be as comfortable with the idea of Obama's White House making those decisions? Or is it perhaps possible that the right to selectively prosecute based upon arbitrary, usually emotion, grounds a poor power to grant to anyone?
I'm comforted by facts and reason. Why do you support companies fucking people over in a time of crisis? That really is the question here. What is your emotional attachment to companies? This is fun!
>>Yes. Some people will do that. And there is a market based response that takes care of that problem without any government involvement at all; as I indicated earlier there is a societal level response that will help take care of the offenders long term, again, without any government interference at all, and if that fails Christopher Taylor will hit them with a baseball bat.
What part of civil emergency is not clear here? Why did Reagan want an overwhelming military? Because it would be so overwhelming that nobody would think of challenging it. That is the same reason you have laws to prevent people from doing crimes in the first place, a deference. That is why, once again, we have and have had anti-price gouging laws in times of civil unrest on the books for years with not a single blip of complaint from civil libertarians until this very moment. Not one word. Why do we have to wait until people can't afford basics like mass transit fares, water, food or gasoline, which by the way are the type of things that anti-price gouging laws cover and not Skittles, before we say this is wrong? Do we do that with rape or murder?
>>I'm not sure how much more clear this could be. Charge whatever you want, that's the free market. If you look to screw people when they are
facing a life and death situation, the market will take care of that too.
Sure. We could do away with murder laws too. Good call. Let's not have any laws and lets not ever again here bitch and moan about Google or Facebook or youtube or twitter or any other media company. The free market will take care of it. Any day now.
Anti-price gouging laws have nothing to do with free market economics. Nada. They are in fact that opposite of free market economics. That is the entire point.
Seriously, some of you should take a break on the libertarian stuff.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 12:58 AM (/tuJf)
Posted by: CaliGirl
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Should have used the car to knock over a liquor store.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2017 12:58 AM (nBBdT)
-Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 12:56 AM (Ri/rl)
*HAH!*
Market Forces of the seen, the unseen and the Nature of College Dude.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 12:59 AM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 09, 2017 12:59 AM (iVOAv)
Posted by: Kindltot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfsTk5i7mPw
Posted by: Adriane the Practical Critic ... at September 09, 2017 12:59 AM (AoK0a)
They're gouging their competitors!
Posted by: t-bird at September 09, 2017 12:59 AM (BsIi9)
I'm pretty sure SMFH said she was going to make it to Vegas. I sure hope so.
Posted by: Farmer at September 09, 2017 12:59 AM (yJ1e6)
Funny, the number of neighbors/old friends who have asked for help in getting "gunned up" (they have none) in the last year has grown. Just a generic sort of prudent preparedness thing. In the very unlikely event of a prolonged and serious disaster here, with civil disorder in some predictable spots, the attitudes towards "gun control" hereabouts would surely, and hilariously, change 100%, overnight.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 01:00 AM (QDnY+)
We came to the conclusion that her dog tensed up and acted like an
asshole whenever she saw he was in a shaky situation because SHE tensed
up and built up anxiety. It was a self feeding loop.
---
Probably.
They had a situation someone similar on My Cat From Hell. The lady was so nervous about things her cat did that she caused the cat to act out.
As soon as the woman calmed down, the cat did too.
Posted by: shibumi at September 09, 2017 01:00 AM (aT+Bx)
Come on she's not ugly.
http://i67.tinypic.com/jp8ol0.jpg
Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2017 12:47 AM (cAnNx)
Big nose. :p
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 09, 2017 12:52 AM (HaZvX)
She does not.
I'm actually surprised it uploaded. I tried about 30 times 2 weeks ago to upload multiple versions of that and tinypic refused to accept it.
Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2017 01:00 AM (cAnNx)
You surely do need to take note of what she needs. Blood pressure meds, thyroid, etc. too.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 12:56 AM (yE+j4)
It sounds like you both have the same allergy.
I'm going to ask her what she can take and stock up on them.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 01:00 AM (Ri/rl)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 12:58 AM (/tuJf)
LOL.
If you don't like the price don't pay it. You'd rather have shortages?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:00 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 12:55 AM (0wem/)
Dude. Why did you not get something delivered before that shit shut down for the night? Or called for takeout & picked up a bottle of wine the mrs likes? Jeez, talk about greasing the skids.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:00 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: CaliGirl
I'm going to guess it was the second case of beer that night.
Posted by: t-bird at September 09, 2017 01:01 AM (BsIi9)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:01 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:01 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: Weirddave at September 09, 2017 01:01 AM (CTvSA)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 12:58 AM (rZ+mb)
And when that fat dude in New York tried to free-market-ize the cigarette situation, he got beat to death, not by smokers, but by the cops.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 01:02 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 01:02 AM (PUmDY)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 01:02 AM (/tuJf)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September
MrsYankeeFifth is out carousing. Would expect that someone should have made arrangements for my dinner.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:03 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 01:04 AM (/tuJf)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:04 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: Farmer at September 09, 2017 12:59 AM (yJ1e6)
Not anymore. Scan up for country boy's post
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:04 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 09, 2017 01:04 AM (eMKNe)
On long term stored beans: just cooked some recently that had been in a sealed mason jar for 15 years. That's not the rotation schedule! This jar got lost on a back shelf.
Tasted fine, digested properly, but took about 3x as long to cook as ordinary dry beans would have required.
Factor this into plans if you have to feed people in a hurry.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 09, 2017 01:04 AM (ujwCG)
If there was an earthquake I can imagine poor hygiene situations and cuts and injuries that may need antibiotics.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 01:04 AM (Ri/rl)
*Puts down bong*
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:01 AM (tNw24)
***SNORT***
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 01:05 AM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at September 09, 2017 01:05 AM (Tnhbr)
-Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 12:58 AM (/tuJf)
*Bows Down to Master Government*
Why didn't I sacrifice my Life, Liberty and Sacred Honor to begin with?!?
I must have been a little lost. My apologies.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:05 AM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:04 AM
She already has her room. Sounds like she just needs transport.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:05 AM (hscyr)
I am not going to GNAMM because I am buying a new bathroom.
Anyhow, the tub has been out for a couple of weeks now, and the toilet went this morning, and broke when I tried to put it back. And the bolts to hold the new toilet to the base are not long enough, and are tightly rusted into the flange.
I ordered a porta-potty because I've been through remodels before, and now I am glad I did.
I am getting tired of bathing by the pint of water while standing in a children's wading pool, and I suspect that I will become very tired of using a porta-potty by tomorrow morning.
On the up side, I just need finish work and the tub to be installed and I will be nearly home free, the giant hole in the middle of the stripped room is already fixed
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 01:05 AM (Gv+zt)
The Paolo, he will send you a Pizza.
Don't worry. It's one me.
I has your wife's credit card #.
Posted by: Paolo at September 09, 2017 01:05 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:05 AM (Ckg4U)
Gay wedding cakes.
Gay wedding cakes.
Fuck you, Christian, go and bakes,
Me & my partner's gay wedding cakes ...
Posted by: Adriane the Practical Critic ... at September 09, 2017 01:06 AM (AoK0a)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:03 AM (0wem/)
Feed me, Seymour!
LOL! Pobrecito!
Posted by: RickZ at September 09, 2017 01:07 AM (I1cfI)
I ordered a porta-potty because I've been through remodels before, and now I am glad I did.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 01:05 AM (Gv+zt)
Did you miss the sink-pissing thread a few days ago?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:07 AM (rZ+mb)
I have a shit ton of those, because I am terrified of chain saw accidents or some such thing. I may have mentioned a time or twelve that we are 30 miles from town, including a hospital. We have Air Evac, but it'd still take them a sweet forever to get here.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 01:07 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Pixy Misa at September 09, 2017 01:08 AM (2yngH)
*Puts down bong*
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:01 AM (tNw24)
Were I a Libertarain, I might have a copy of Reason magazine laying around.
Which, if I did, I would roll it up into a tight cylinder, and bop garret on the nose.
Because, Reason-s.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2017 01:08 AM (MGCfm)
Posted by: lousagirl at September 09, 2017 01:09 AM (9plvG)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 01:09 AM (9S69S)
Posted by: Adriane the Practical Critic ... at September 09, 2017 01:09 AM (AoK0a)
May I suggest a steel toe pair of work boots for you?
Also Stihl makes some fine safety apparel for chain saw use
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 01:10 AM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:03 AM
Oh, so since she's out loosening herself up you've known all along the nookie is a given. You might still be able to get a pizza delivered this late if you call now. Or nuke some mac & cheese. Do we have to do everything for you?!
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:10 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 01:09 AM (9S69S)
And bloody noses.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 01:10 AM (Ri/rl)
861 Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 01:07 AM (yE+j4)
May I suggest a steel toe pair of work boots for you?
Tammy's going lesbian?
Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2017 01:11 AM (cAnNx)
It is the combination of factors that results in the widespread animus against price gouging. It is, in effect, an unspoken insurance policy taken out in common by all. The cost of losing everything by chance is mitigated by the opportunity-cost 'premium' of not jacking the price to the stars during the brief window of opportunity.
Posted by: Locarno at September 09, 2017 01:11 AM (HhYvn)
Posted by: Lizzy Borden at September 09, 2017 01:11 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: Adriane the Practical Critic ... at September 09, 2017 01:11 AM (AoK0a)
Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2017 01:11 AM (cAnNx)
Not completely, more like visiting for the weekend.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at September 09, 2017 01:12 AM (Tnhbr)
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 09, 2017 01:10 AM (Ri/rl)
And commenters who are on the rag.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 01:12 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September
There are not any decent pizza places that deliver to where I am.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:12 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 01:12 AM (9S69S)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 09, 2017 01:12 AM (IcT7t)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 01:12 AM (yE+j4)
' Tammy Bought a Subaru ' is L7's Best Album!
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:12 AM (tNw24)
Also Stihl makes some fine safety apparel for chain saw use
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 01:10 AM (ZTRlp)
I had to cut up a big downed tree at my mother's place and I bought a shit-ton of safety clothing - cost me more than the chainsaw. I was even thinking about wearing two layers of chainsaw chaps ... just in case.
I'm about 60% through the tree at this point. Big mother, it is.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:12 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:12 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: buzzion
Nothing was said about a plaid flannel shirt ...
Posted by: Adriane the Practical Critic ... at September 09, 2017 01:11 AM (AoK0a)
...yet
Posted by: buzzion at September 09, 2017 01:13 AM (cAnNx)
I just assumed someone hit him with an axe handle
Posted by: Weirddave
Ouch.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 09, 2017 01:13 AM (di1hb)
How are you?
You coming to Vegas?
I will be there, but hubby's going to a football game with his brother!
Can't wait to meet you guys!!
Posted by: lousagirl at September 09, 2017 01:13 AM (9plvG)
Roses are red,
Rain clouds are wet,
We'd be bored if this were Paradise,
And yet, and yet ...
Night all.
Posted by: Adriane the Practical Critic ... at September 09, 2017 01:13 AM (AoK0a)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:14 AM (Ckg4U)
I'm about 60% through the tree at this point. Big mother, it is.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:12 AM (rZ+mb)
OMG were you gouged?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 01:14 AM (ZTRlp)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 01:09 AM (9S69S)
A boxful in the ol' box, right?
Posted by: Lena Dunham at September 09, 2017 01:14 AM (MGCfm)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:04
Well that's a bummer. Sorry to hear that.
Maybe time will change things.
Posted by: Farmer at September 09, 2017 01:15 AM (yJ1e6)
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:15 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:15 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: rhomboid
If you live in town, knowing how long you will have water pressure without electricity is a critical planning value. Not for drinking, but for sanitation and all your neighbor sanitation needs.
Posted by: Jean at September 09, 2017 01:15 AM (9TU00)
Once a year training seminar with the senior instructor.
Timing is everything, and I have no timing ...
Posted by: Adriane the Practical Critic ... at September 09, 2017 01:16 AM (AoK0a)
I come to you in time of trouble with a powerful need to taste the rainbow, you'd best oblige me, mister. Else consistent with natural law, I'll fill you full of lead.
Posted by: Guy who's painfully serious at September 09, 2017 01:16 AM (H5knJ)
Posted by: Locarno at September 09, 2017 01:11 AM (HhYvn)
Thing is, the so-called "gouging" also acts as a disincentive to hoarding. If bottled water is going for "$80 per flat", nobody's going to buy 20 flats and hoard it; they will buy only what they absolutely cannot do without, thus preserving some supply for others in need.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 01:16 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 01:04 AM (/tuJf)
Well, you've learned that part well. Of course, if libertarians were what you claim they are I'd hate the smelly f*ckers too.
Tell me again how the needs of society are more important that individual rights.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 01:16 AM (Gv+zt)
Really? Nobody here has demonstrated it yet, it's all been feels "How dare someone profit in an emergency!" Yet we on the fact based side have explained again and again the benefits to everyone what you call "gouging".
Posted by: Weirddave at September 09, 2017 01:16 AM (CTvSA)
I do have heavy duty steel toed workboots, but those are for snake stompin'.
Only I wouldn't be able to do that, so they're really just to hopefully prevent the puncture. We have copperheads and water moccasins all over here and I don't go much further than our driveway without them on.
I am afraid of snake bites in the burning times, as I really have no idea what to do, and should probably research it.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 01:16 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Equifax at September 09, 2017 01:16 AM (IqV8l)
Ever see those old black and white movies of the guys smoking 25-30 cigarettes at a time?
It looks kinda like that....wait - I can just send you a picture.
Posted by: Hope Solo at September 09, 2017 01:16 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:12 AM
Pizza snob are you? Beggars yada yada yada. You've got emergency supplies in all your cars but couldn't plan ahead for dinner? Oohhhh...wait....I get it. You're going to make a
sympathy play for a hummer the second the mrs gets home, aren't you?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:17 AM (hscyr)
I have a shit ton of those, because I am terrified of chain saw
accidents or some such thing. I may have mentioned a time or twelve that
we are 30 miles from town, including a hospital. We have Air Evac, but
it'd still take them a sweet forever to get here.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 01:07 AM (yE+j4)
The running the chainsaw at our cabin is why I bought the QuickClot also. I do have a sucking chest wound bandage in my kit. But in an emergency when you don't have the kit with you. We were trained to use our drivers license for sucking chest wounds. Probably not something you'll ever need to use but I'll throw it out anyways.
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 01:17 AM (vzgzF)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 01:14 AM (ZTRlp)
LOL. It felt like it ...
I could have gone with the cheap stuff but I decided to splurg on the heavier-duty American made gear.
Also, I don't get the helmets and face guards they sell for chainsaw work. They looked to me like they don't protect very much. I wear a full-face motorcycle helmet. It might look retarded but I feel much safer.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:18 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 01:18 AM (PUmDY)
-Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 09, 2017 01:14 AM (ZTRlp)
No, but he won't return your wallet. He's so Free Market that he believes in "Finders, Keepers - Losers, Weepers".
*poke*
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:19 AM (Ckg4U)
sympathy play for a hummer the second the mrs gets home, aren't you?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September
I am more or less a pizza ghetto whore. When I say there are no decent pizza places I mean Domino's does not even deliver where I am.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:19 AM (0wem/)
I'm about 60% through the tree at this point. Big mother, it is.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:12 AM (rZ+mb)
I own 6 or more chainsaws, and not one pair of chainsaw chaps. I regard the chainsaw as a whirling garland of death, and treat it with the respect it deserves.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 01:19 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: lousagirl at September 09, 2017 01:20 AM (9plvG)
*poke*
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:19 AM (Ckg4U)
Possession IS nine-tenths of the law
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:20 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:07 AM (rZ+mb)
I could pee into the compost heap if I had to, but taking a dump is harder
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 01:21 AM (Gv+zt)
sympathy play for a hummer the second the mrs gets home, aren't you?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September
Screw that. She thinks she is going to forget my dinner, go out for dinner and come home for a late night snack of high quality cum? Not. Going. To. Happen. She has to learn one way or another.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:21 AM (0wem/)
Sadly, looks more like Vegas is Bust for me.
Hurricane Harvey took a major MAJOR divot out of revenues and income.
And likely, I'll have to be making a swift drive to Orlando after Irma, with a truckload of tools, supplies and rescue gear, hoping to get to my 89 y/o Step Mom, in time.
Have to play the cards as they're dealt.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2017 01:21 AM (MGCfm)
-Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:20 AM (rZ+mb)
It is, indeed.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:21 AM (Ckg4U)
work. They looked to me like they don't protect very much. I wear a
full-face motorcycle helmet. It might look retarded but I feel much
safer.
I think I've mentioned before that I have an uncle who had a chainsaw kick back into his face. Wasn't wearing any face protection at the time. Has a nice triangular scar on his nose.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 09, 2017 01:21 AM (IcT7t)
And chainsaws are terrifying (compared to guns and explosives, I mean).
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 01:21 AM (QDnY+)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:04 AM
She already has her room. Sounds like she just needs transport.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:05 AM (hscyr)
I could throw her in my trunk, but it sounded like she might not be able to afford being there either anyways.
Or maybe it was the booze. I shall inquire further.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 01:22 AM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 01:16 AM (yE+j4)
Always carry a bottle of whisky, to be used in case of snakebite. And a snake, in case you get thirsty, and there are no snakes.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 01:22 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: Leatherface at September 09, 2017 01:22 AM (tNw24)
Well, I would happily offer to let SMFH bunk with me but I have two king beds so that would probably not work out well.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:04 AM
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:23 AM (0wem/)
Hoarding and panic buying isn't rational. So someone selling water ( or gasoline) at a huge price increase will stimulate panic buying, in some people, because they believe the price will be higher tomorrow. Or the commodity will not be available at all.
It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 09, 2017 01:23 AM (m9X4Y)
work. They looked to me like they don't protect very much. I wear a
full-face motorcycle helmet. It might look retarded but I feel much
safer.
I think I've mentioned before that I have an uncle who had a chainsaw kick back into his face. Wasn't wearing any face protection at the time. Has a nice triangular scar on his nose.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 09, 2017 01:21 AM (IcT7t)
I bounced one off my left knee one time. Fortunately it was so cold that day, it didn't even hurt.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 01:23 AM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: Locarno at September 09, 2017 01:23 AM (HhYvn)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 01:23 AM (9S69S)
That's pretty darn cold.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 09, 2017 01:24 AM (IcT7t)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 01:24 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:19 AM (m
Crap, are you Tammy's neighbor? I notice you avoided answering on the rest though...
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:24 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 01:19
LMAO, just as I would expect of you! Will be grand to meet you in Vegas.
Bedtime for me here, have to work the weekend, such is life.
Posted by: Farmer at September 09, 2017 01:25 AM (yJ1e6)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 01:19 AM (2le8w)
I am very, very careful with it ... but I want some added insurance, just in case. And I'm not talking about a professional chainsaw. I'm just using an 18" poulan. But I want to get this tree done and be finished with it all as soon as possible. The tree was something like 80 or 90 feet tall, I guess, its trunk got hollowed out about 12 to 15 feet up and it just came crashing down a month ago.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:25 AM (rZ+mb)
AOP, love that, "whirling garland of death" - as I said, terrifying. Of course like anything else it's lack of experience with them (have never used one) - once trained and experienced I'm sure, like you, I'd just be careful and respectful, more than terrified.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 01:25 AM (QDnY+)
It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy."
-Posted by: Skandia Recluse at September 09, 2017 01:23 AM (m9X4Y)
So?
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:25 AM (Ckg4U)
*Puts down bong*
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:01 AM (tNw24)
I can't smoke bongs. I smoke like a girl.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 01:26 AM (Id9+8)
Hasta la nite nite, Horde!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 09, 2017 01:26 AM (MGCfm)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:21 AM
Hey now, she needs that protein! Better or worse, remember????
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:27 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:27 AM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Dr. Leo Marvin at September 09, 2017 01:27 AM (tNw24)
That's pretty darn cold.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 09, 2017 01:24 AM (IcT7t)
10 or 15 below IIRC.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 01:27 AM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:27 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 09, 2017 01:21 AM (IcT7t)
Damn! I don't like to even hear stuff like that ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:27 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 01:27 AM (QDnY+)
I detect a Stephen King novel/movie in the works. Set in northernmost Maine. With drunken illegal-citizen Canadian lumberjacks running the chainsaws.
Posted by: Basement Cat at September 09, 2017 01:27 AM (3C9q2)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 01:27 AM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Locarno at September 09, 2017 01:23 AM (HhYvn)
But a crafty hoarder would just go out with their allotment, come in ten minutes later, and buy the same amount again from another cashier. Or get their kid to buy it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 01:27 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:27 AM (Ckg4U)
I do have a fitted white button down, with proper darts and 3/4 sleeves and French cuffs, and it looks damn fine with a pencil skirt, and not too bad with jeans.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 01:27 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September
LOL
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:27 AM (0wem/)
That's a good look.
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:28 AM (tNw24)
Tampons are good also for gaping wounds and gunshots
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 01:09 AM (9S69S)
Well then I picked a fine time to go through menopause.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 01:28 AM (Id9+8)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 09, 2017 01:29 AM (nmr2M)
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 01:29 AM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:29 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
I only got 3, but I do wear shorts when reducing trees in the summer.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 09, 2017 01:29 AM (di1hb)
Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at September 09, 2017 01:29 AM (Fp1nn)
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 01:22 AM
Please do. Unless she got a liberal cancellation policy on her room, that money is gone. It doesn't cost shitvto sit by the pool or window shop with me & Eris. We can cover her chow. She's hot, she doesn't need to worry about drinks
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:30 AM (hscyr)
-Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:29 AM (tNw24)
*HAH!*
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:31 AM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 09, 2017 01:31 AM (nmr2M)
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 01:32 AM (vzgzF)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 01:32 AM (PUmDY)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:04 AM
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:23 AM
Yeah yeah we noticed. We're just ignoring you.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:32 AM (hscyr)
Yeah yeah looks great in anything, true enough, but pants/dress shirt/baseball cap .... wow.
I wonder if her natural star power on looks, and her humble/shy demeanor, are breaking through the tsunami of propaganda against her husband, with "normal" people who aren't otherwise Trumpinclined.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 01:32 AM (QDnY+)
Libertarians are mostly average people who think they are geniuses. Not bad people. But they usually have either no weed or horrible weed. I prefer good capitalists.
>>Tell me again how the needs of society are more important that individual rights.
Are you still confused on the difference between a civil emergency like what happened in Texas when Governor Abbott, who I am told is actual conservative, issued a proclamation against price gouging and a normal free market economy?
Here is Governor Abbott's anti-price gouging proclamation in case you missed it or missed the fact that it is against Texas state law not to mention federal law. It's good reading, you might like it.
http://tinyurl.com/yat2onl2
So what were you saying about price gouging during a civil emergency and learning stuff?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 01:33 AM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Locarno at September 09, 2017 01:23 AM (HhYvn)
But a crafty hoarder would just go out with their allotment, come in ten minutes later, and buy the same amount again from another cashier. Or get their kid to buy it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Kinda like primer and powder rationing after the 2008 election.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at September 09, 2017 01:33 AM (di1hb)
I'm with the guy who said to put the libertarian bong down. The immediate aftermath of a disaster can result in a brief period of really chaotic and extreme price signals and society has, rather sensibly, decided that they don't want to deal with that shit when everything is flooded/wrecked/on fire/whatever. Normal market functions will resume soon enough.
Posted by: Locarno at September 09, 2017 01:33 AM (HhYvn)
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at September 09, 2017 01:33 AM (OVUYQ)
-Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:32 AM (hscyr)
*HAH!*
^What this broad said^
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:34 AM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:30 AM (hscyr)
She told me it was nonrefundable.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 01:34 AM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:20 AM (rZ+mb)
See, this is the part where most people lose the thread. This issue is called the Homesteading question, which touches on property rights.
Is it legal to take abandoned property, and how do you define "abandoned"? This also asks if property rights are absolute, all there or all gone, or can parts of the use or ownership be abandoned without losing right to the whole thing.
If, for example a person who owns a plot of land and there is a long history of people freely crossing it, can the owner prevent free passage or is it by right of free usage considered public access? Is there a time limit to stop passage or is the general and accepted free use considered enough to erode the rights of the owner over control of access to his property?
(this is principally an issue with common law, I understand that things are held differently in Napoleonic Code)
Of course there are scads of contradictory arguments to be made for and against, but they all come down to an argument about what is property and what are the rights over it, and if they are severable or fully inherent in ownership.
I think this is an essential element to understanding property rights, but then I get called a stinking hippie for my concerns.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 01:35 AM (Gv+zt)
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:28 AM (tNw24)
Thor likes it with my hair piled up on my head. Sexy librarian thing, ya know?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 01:35 AM (yE+j4)
952 Garrett, you got me in trouble earlier. So, leave me alone
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 01:32 AM (PUmDY)
Garrets a troll.
that was funny. Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 09, 2017 01:36 AM (nmr2M)
Be good, Take care. God Bless You.
Hubby & I going to go out with good friends in town from OK tommorow.
Boomer
Posted by: lousagirl at September 09, 2017 01:36 AM (9plvG)
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 01:32 AM (vzgzF)
My grandfather worked as a tool and die maker for 40 years. He never lost an appendage. After he retired he was running a snow blower and it clogged. Clearing it cost him the ends of his fingers on one hand (all of his fingers on that hand were the same length, after.)
He was extraordinarily pissed off with himself after that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 01:36 AM (broQw)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 01:25 AM (QDnY+)
I'm not really terrified of it. A chainsaw will mess you up, but it's more likely to be a host of superficial cuts than a limb sawn off. The chain stops moving as soon as the throttle is closed, after all.
I never used a saw as a logger, but I have cut many miles of line in the bush in B.C. and the northwoods in Saskatchewan, and never had a chainsaw-related injury.
Let the saw do the work; never force it, and if it binds in the cut, shut it off, and use other means to free it. Never position any part of your body where the saw could fall upon it if the cut goes through ultra-fast, as it might if the log is punky. And always position yourself so that you can comfortably control the saw with both hands.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 01:36 AM (2le8w)
Can I borrow your pencil, my car just hit a water buffalo?
Posted by: Fletch at September 09, 2017 01:37 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 09, 2017 01:37 AM (nmr2M)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:37 AM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2017 01:38 AM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:38 AM (Ckg4U)
http://tinyurl.com/yat2onl2
So what were you saying about price gouging during a civil emergency and learning stuff?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 01:33 AM (/tuJf)
I read it. "Unimpressive" is the word I would use for it. I don't know what you thought was so interesting about it.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:39 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 09, 2017 01:39 AM (nmr2M)
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 01:34 AM
And THAT was why I was ignoring you Y5, no savings to be had by keeping your feet warm. If she can ride with you, we can cover the rest.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:39 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September
Yeah I am married, I know how to work around that.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:39 AM (0wem/)
http://tinyurl.com/yat2onl2
So what were you saying about price gouging during a civil emergency and learning stuff?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 01:33 AM (/tuJf)
I don't see any definition of price gouging in that. Who decides? Abbott? Patrick? Attorney General Paxton? Cruz?
Why is raising gas prices not gouging?
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 01:39 AM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor
-----------
Bad, bad story today, in that vein:
4 people dead after a Duke Life Flight helicopter crashes in eastern North Carolina
http://tinyurl.com/yd55d8fk
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 09, 2017 01:39 AM (nBBdT)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September
Everything is negotiable.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:40 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 01:40 AM (yE+j4)
I think this is an essential element to understanding property rights, but then I get called a stinking hippie for my concerns.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 01:35 AM (Gv+zt)
------------------------
Well, in an emergency...
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 01:41 AM (giT7q)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:41 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: lousagirl at September 09, 2017 01:41 AM (9plvG)
I was just making a kidding response to slapweasel. That's why I had the smilie at the end.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:41 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: Locarno at September 09, 2017 01:41 AM (HhYvn)
Posted by: lousagirl at September 09, 2017 01:41 AM (9plvG)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:42 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:42 AM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:39 AM
Bwaaahhh. And seriously? You've managed to get around the non refundable? In Vegas??????
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:43 AM (hscyr)
-Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:42 AM (0wem/)
Apparently, more than you've done.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:43 AM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:43 AM (0wem/)
serious effort to encourage self reliance and independence across the
board. Ridicule the unprepared for the long run.
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 08, 2017 11:47 PM (0wem/)
IIRC, several years ago when there were some huge snowstorms out west, the folks out there made it through because they planned for those events.
Also, IIRC, the Mormon Church advises its members to prepare for catastrophes. My stepfather had a shitload of supplies down in our basement, but I don't know if that was because of the Mormon Church or that he grew up on a farm.
If you want a survival kit, start at WalMart. Their canned meats and vegetables are really inexpensive, and from time to time they sell a 72 hour survival food bucket with freeze dried food for about $20. Once a month when we are at WalMart, I'll pick up a few cans of meat for our survival container, and about once a year I pick up one of those survival buckets.
Water? We have 2 dogs and 3 cats, and the dogs drink about 1.5 gallons a day. Our cats about a pint. We have about 12 gallons stored for the dogs, and about 6 cases for the wife and I plus the kittehs. Batteries? Go to Dollar Tree. You can get 4 AA or AAA for a buck. They aren't that great of batteries, but they work fine for LED flashlights and portable radios. Can't afford a lantern, they have LED puck lights that work pretty good.
Need a generator? Harbor Freight Tools has a 1000 watt genny for about $100. Not really clean power, but it can run lights, fans or a fridge as long as the fridge doesn't have circuit boards and shit.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at September 09, 2017 01:44 AM (1JnAL)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 01:44 AM (9S69S)
Posted by: lousagirl at September 09, 2017 01:44 AM (9plvG)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 01:45 AM (/tuJf)
-Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:43 AM (0wem/)
Nobody would have Pointed That Out, but thanks.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:45 AM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 01:46 AM (Id9+8)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:43 AM (0wem/)
Didn't bother me, but joy juice IS funnier
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 01:46 AM (hscyr)
Damn, bad day for helicopter crashes all around. May they all rest in peace.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 01:47 AM (yE+j4)
Love you guys,
See ya in Vegas, Wheeeeeeee
Posted by: lousagirl at September 09, 2017 01:47 AM (9plvG)
Why is raising gas prices not gouging?
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 01:39 AM (Jcg9Q)
These anti-gouging laws are just vehicles to let politicos virtue-signal by naming some poor sap as a "gouger" because he priced his goods at some point higher than the public likes.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 01:47 AM (2le8w)
Well there's a shocker.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 01:45 AM (/tuJf)
Here's pretty much all he said:
WHEREAS, Texas law prohibits price gouging and gives the attorney general the authority to prosecute anyone throughout Texas who takes advantage of a declared disaster by charging an exorbitant or excessive price for fuel, food, medicine, or any other necessity; and
WHEREAS, I am assured that the Attorney General and other law enforcement officials throughout Texas will seek to identify and vigorously prosecute those who use price-gouging to take advantage of the victims of Hurricane Harvey;
What is so impressive about that statement? It sounds retarded to me.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:47 AM (rZ+mb)
-Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 01:44 AM (9S69S)
The words "Piggly Wiggly" come to mind.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:47 AM (Ckg4U)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 01:47 AM (Id9+8)
Posted by: t-bird at September 09, 2017 01:47 AM (7ulel)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:47 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 01:48 AM (9S69S)
====
If you think you've been deeply gouged, remember that a tampon is an effective way to staunch the bleeding.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at September 09, 2017 01:48 AM (OVUYQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 01:48 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) Peddler of ManOWar at September 09, 2017 01:48 AM (Ckg4U)
I once managed to get a full refund for 2 passes to the Teluride Bluegrass Festival.
Apparently, that was supposed to be impossible.
It was horrid, awful lie. And I am not proud of it, now. But at the time, it was all the money I had left for the summer and before I could stop myself it was already out of my mouth.
Posted by: Fletch at September 09, 2017 01:49 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 01:33 AM (/tuJf)
This is no longer an argument about property rights and has become an argument about whether or not there is sufficient pretext to violate peoples rights.
So sure. You are so right. Because there is always sufficient pretext to violate people's rights. Always.
I hope they eat you last. I really do.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 01:49 AM (Gv+zt)
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:49 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 01:50 AM (vzgzF)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 01:44 AM (9S69S)
Kroger had a deal on their store bacon 3lbs for $10.
I have a couple in the freezer.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 01:51 AM (broQw)
How much for 100 D Cells?
Asking for AtC...
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:51 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: lousagirl at September 09, 2017 01:51 AM (9plvG)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 01:52 AM (PUmDY)
What he said, what is the basis of this entire discussion, is that price gouging in a time of emergency is illegal.
That's it. There is nothing more impressive or weak about it. It's just a fact. That is the law of Texas and more than half of the states and the federal government.
>>WHEREAS, I am assured that the Attorney General and other law enforcement officials throughout Texas will seek to identify and vigorously prosecute those who use price-gouging to take advantage of the victims of Hurricane Harvey;
Exactly. Those who use price gouging to take advantage of victims of a crisis. Not free market economics. Not government setting prices.
Thanks for making my point.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 01:52 AM (/tuJf)
Posted by: NCKate at September 09, 2017 01:48 AM (9S69S)
You want to talk about gouging? Right there is it. AAA batteries, which contain less than half the energy of AA batteries, cost more. String 'em up!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 01:52 AM (2le8w)
Your car for a gallon of fresh water and 5 rolls of toilet paper ... (you could only "gouge" like this in America - the rest of the world doesn't care about toilet paper)
Your kingdom for a horse ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:53 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 01:47 AM (2le8w)
And that includes conservatives, sadly.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 01:54 AM (Jcg9Q)
That's it. There is nothing more impressive or weak about it. It's just a fact. That is the law of Texas and more than half of the states and the federal government.
>>WHEREAS, I am assured that the Attorney General and other law enforcement officials throughout Texas will seek to identify and vigorously prosecute those who use price-gouging to take advantage of the victims of Hurricane Harvey;
Exactly. Those who use price gouging to take advantage of victims of a crisis. Not free market economics. Not government setting prices.
Thanks for making my point.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 01:52 AM (/tuJf)
Just because it's illegal, doesn't make it immoral. Anti-gouging laws are just political virtue-signalling to the economically illiterate.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 01:54 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:55 AM (tNw24)
1) if you allow price gouging laws in case of emergency for good reason and is popular with people
- it then becomes easier to accept the government setting price controls outside of emergency circumstances because people think the price of a good is set too high.
Once you let the government get it's grubby little mitts into something then that right is gone forever, anything else is done at the government's sufferance.
I am just saying I take a really jaundiced eye toward the government doing anything.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 01:55 AM (broQw)
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:56 AM (tNw24)
1000+ really?
Lots going on, Milady remarks.
Yeah.
Hi.
Posted by: mindful webworker and the \ at September 09, 2017 01:56 AM (Yu4ah)
If any you 'ribs and 'eyes have USAA and need to move, call them. ASAP.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2017 01:56 AM (0tfLf)
Exactly. Those who use price gouging to take advantage of victims of a crisis. Not free market economics. Not government setting prices.
Thanks for making my point.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 01:52 AM (/tuJf)
Again I ask....what is Abbott's definition of price gouging?
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 01:56 AM (Jcg9Q)
Huh? "Take advantage" ... uh huh ... better that I refuse to sell my stuff to them, I guess. Better that they have no choice. Yep. Just grand.
And, BTW, what is the "non-gouging" price for a bottle of water in a hurricane struck area? What is the maximal allowed price? I am assuming you have a schedule of all prices of all things for all particular disasters, not to mention the price controls on all "necessities" for regular times ...
Thanks for making my point.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 01:52 AM (/tuJf)
As long as you're happy, I'm happy.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 01:57 AM (rZ+mb)
1000+ really?
Lots going on, Milady remarks.
Yeah.
Hi.
What am I up to?
I'm up too late.
Posted by: mindful webworker and the accumulation of error at September 09, 2017 01:57 AM (Yu4ah)
then that right is gone forever, anything else is done at the
government's sufferance.
"
Like Obamacare to fix health insurance prices?
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 01:57 AM (vzgzF)
'Ron's and 'ettes.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 09, 2017 01:57 AM (0tfLf)
then that right is gone forever, anything else is done at the
government's sufferance.
"
Like Obamacare to fix health insurance prices?
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 01:57 AM (vzgzF)
Exactly so.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 01:59 AM (broQw)
Damn autocorrect.
'Ron's and 'ettes.
Posted by: Diogenes
Still, it's a good one.
Posted by: mindful webworker's lame excuses at September 09, 2017 02:01 AM (Yu4ah)
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 02:01 AM (Gv+zt)
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 09, 2017 02:01 AM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 02:02 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 01:57 AM (vzgzF)
Exactly so.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 01:59 AM (broQw)
Like the supermarket shelves in Caracas, filled to overflowing with price-controlled groceries. Like this:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ybkndlda
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:02 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 02:04 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 02:04 AM (hscyr)
Um, the power of boobs compels me!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 02:06 AM (broQw)
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 01:57 AM (vzgzF)
Exactly so.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 01:59 AM (broQw)
Like the supermarket shelves in Caracas, filled to overflowing with price-controlled groceries. Like this:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ybkndlda
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:02 AM (2le8w)
Like rent controls worked in so many cities ... so as not to "gouge" the residents ... but instead it became impossible to find living space (even though it was ultra cheap) and no one wanted to build any more since they couldn't get market prices for their assets. Stagnation sets in. Of course, stagnation is the intention and result of all leftist policies.
Texas basically declared that they want no one to go through any extraordinary efforts to bring supplies in ... because they'll be jailed for charging extraordinary prices. Great stuff! For the chillen'!!
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 02:08 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 02:04 AM (hscyr)
There was boobie-gouging? And I missed it?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:08 AM (2le8w)
Generally then, the food staples that had been sold at the fixed prices were then collected by speculators and shipped back to Colombia where they were sold for a profit.
This is what the basic black market system looks like. It should be used in textbooks.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 02:09 AM (Gv+zt)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 02:10 AM (PUmDY)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 02:10 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 02:12 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 02:06 AM (broQw)
Too late, the girls say they're done.
1042. There was boobie-gouging? And I missed it?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:08
Aop, if you scroll carefully, there's pudding.
Y5, check your email.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 09, 2017 02:14 AM (hscyr)
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:55 AM (tNw24)
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Price Gouging...stupid fingers.
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 01:56 AM (tNw24)
And here I thought you were going for 'orifice gouging'.
Posted by: RickZ at September 09, 2017 02:14 AM (I1cfI)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 02:16 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 02:12 AM (tNw24)
And Joe Jackson was no Jake Thackray.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE-BKrAAZGc
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:16 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: lousagirl at September 09, 2017 02:17 AM (9plvG)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 02:18 AM (PUmDY)
This is why people have stopped paying attention to the MSM.
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2017 02:19 AM (DQ4Fv)
No, that is not what they are saying at all because nobody is doing that unless you have an example. Show me an example of a company that has gone to extraordinary extremes to bring in products to Texas after the hurricane that is being charged with gouging. I'll wait.
What they are saying is that companies can't start charging $100 for a case of water because new supplies can't get in.. Once again, nothing to do with free market economics.
This isn't a free market economics argument. It is about what happens during a time of civil emergency and trying to conflate that with general market economics is dishonest.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 02:19 AM (/tuJf)
Because the problem really IS about deciding at what point it becomes gouging.
And the timing.
After a major disaster, there IS the issue of paying a price that will make it worth someone's trouble to get it in. Before that, well, the last bit of water is at a premium... but what is that?And if you're too stupid to have stocked up, or even just filled your bathtub and some empty pop cans with tap water, why shouldn't he get to charge you a higher price?
Is 10 percent above average too much? Is double too much? 10x too much?
Some wouldn't raise it at all, some would test the water, some would try and get as much as possible.
What price is too high for a private citizen to charge for his own merchandise?
I say he's free to charge what he wants, and it's a waste of our money for the govt to go after him, 'specially since Bubba's either gonna whoop his ass and take it anyway or else close him down by not shopping there any more post-crisis.
But other people obviously think differently and if we could just be nice about it, it's an interesting discussion.
Is there a percentage over the regular price when Uncle Sugar declares gouging has commenced?
What if he then decides that all stores from now on, disaster or no disaster, have to price match WM, or whoever has the cheapest price on anything?
I just don't think I want the govt involved.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 02:21 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2017 02:22 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: RickZ at September 09, 2017 02:14 AM (I1cfI)
Me, too!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 02:23 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 02:25 AM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Matthew Shkreli at September 09, 2017 02:25 AM (H5knJ)
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 02:26 AM (giT7q)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:26 AM (2le8w)
This is why people have stopped paying attention to the MSM.
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2017 02:19 AM (DQ4Fv)
What is your source, Zombie. TWC website is still going full blown apocalypta.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 02:28 AM (broQw)
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As the earlier story about Lois Lerner showed us. Equal application of the rule of law as applied by the govt is now only political
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 02:28 AM (vzgzF)
Wait for what? I said that no one will bother doing that.
What they are saying is that companies can't start charging $100 for a case of water because new supplies can't get in.. Once again, nothing to do with free market economics.
I think your understanding of economics is ... wanting.
This isn't a free market economics argument. It is about what happens during a time of civil emergency and trying to conflate that with general market economics is dishonest.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 02:19 AM (/tuJf)
Really? The free market is illegal in super-special emergencies ... Okay. Your next step, of course, is to enslave me to do super-important work during your super-special emergency, as if you declare that lives will be saved you simply must force me to do whatever it is that you choose. After all, it isn't regular life, it's a super-special emergency. Not special enough for martial law, of course, but super-special, nonetheless. Kind of like when they were chasing to two retards in Boston and just shut that whole town down - because it was super-special - and then didn't even catch them. We had to rely on one of the dimwits running over his brother and a guy finding that idiot in his back yard. But it was super-special and the cops were shutting shit down all over the place ... just on their own super-specialness.
I really like where this is all headed ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 02:28 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2017 02:19 AM (DQ4Fv)
Not just a recent phenomenon, either. Evacuating is a pain in the ass, most people are probably on the road for hours going 40 miles if they're lucky. People died on the road evacuating for Rita, that's why the mayor of Houston recommended sheltering in place.
It's not like you can just take week off work to leave early and avoid the traffic; you have have to wait til they're a little more sure they are never really sure anyway.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 02:29 AM (yE+j4)
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Welcome to selective service.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 02:29 AM (giT7q)
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 02:26 AM (giT7q)
I do not think anyone is saying it is. What we are saying is that the same type of thinking leads to a general feel of people only being charged what is 'fair'- by the government. The ultimate expression of that type of thing is bread lines and empty store shelves.
We are making more a slippery slope argument than saying that Texas is being socialist.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 02:30 AM (broQw)
Posted by: Matthew Shkreli at September 09, 2017 02:25 AM (H5knJ)
Except you aren't selling in anything resembling a free market. Pharmaceuticals are highly regulated.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:30 AM (2le8w)
Kinda feels like we're refighting it, so why not?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 02:31 AM (yE+j4)
Price-Gouging Batman is up against every store owner and corporation in the disaster area trying to restore their normal communications/logistics channels for sheer survival. He is not the most motivated man in the area.
The immediate aftermath of disasters is not a normal economic situation and society has decided not to impose normal rules. That seems reasonable. If it doesn't seem reasonable to you, quite frankly I don't give a damn. See, come Tuesday I will be back at work somehow, someway, because the patients aren't going to wait. I'm the one who will, as of the last update, have the eyewall of the storm roll over their house and place of business, while AOP is presumably is in Canada. I don't know where you other guys arguing in favor of price gouging in an emergency are.
But let's pretend you somehow get teleported down here and get injured in the storm. Fine.
I get to charge you special pricing, right? Because if food and water get to obey price gouging rules I sure as hell won't give you health care as a special exception here.
How much for your life?
Posted by: Locarno at September 09, 2017 02:32 AM (HhYvn)
Posted by: Matthew Shkreli at September 09, 2017 02:33 AM (H5knJ)
We are making more a slippery slope argument than saying that Texas is being socialist.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 02:30 AM (broQw)
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I thought we were talking about short-term civil emergencies. My bad.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 02:33 AM (giT7q)
fact. That is the law of Texas and more than half of the states and the
federal government.
Your entire argument is one big circular appeal to authority. "There are laws! In 34 states! The feds! Constitution! OMG eleventy!!!" Yes, there are laws. They are bad laws. They hurt those they pretend to protect.
Oh, and you still haven't shown the "harm" from "price gouging" that you said was so easy to "demonstrate".
Posted by: Weirddave at September 09, 2017 02:33 AM (TTxD/)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 02:19 AM (/tuJf)
Front my back row seat in the peanut gallery (damned Cardboard Membership!), I think you hit upon the crux of the difference in viewpoints expressed in this discussion, specifically an emergency crisis situation versus regular economic forces in a stable economy.
IMAO, there is a big difference between 'entrepreneurship' and 'price gouging'. I'll grant you, it's a matter of degrees. For example, when the blackout hit in '03, I had to hoof it home from Midtown to Queens via the 59th St Bridge. When I got over the bridge and onto the side streets, I came across two boys, around 12-years-old, who were selling water bottles out of a grocery cart. They were cold and they were selling for $1 a piece. Most people were thankful for the water, paid the slightly raised price (at the time), and usually only purchased two bottles, one for each hand. Was I happy those two boys had the foresight to get to a store and buy out their cold water bottles and set up shop in the middle of the street? Absolutely. It was a service that was 'delivered', if you will, at a time (which was far from normal) when I definitely wanted that water.
As I said, a difference in viewpoint concerning the economic instability of disasters/crises vs. the free market in stable times, and a matter of arbitrary degrees when it comes to what is considered 'gouging'.
Posted by: RickZ at September 09, 2017 02:34 AM (I1cfI)
This is why people have stopped paying attention to the MSM.
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2017 02:19 AM (DQ4Fv)
What is your source, Zombie. TWC website is still going full blown apocalypta.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
National Hurricane Center, 2 hours ago:
"Apparently the ridge to the north of Irma has been stronger than expected....
The track guidance continues to insist on Irma turning
west-northwestward soon, moving along the Cuban Keys adjacent to
the north coast of Cuba during the next 24 hours. After that time,
Irma is expected to turn sharply north-northwestward and accelerate
after 48 hours, moving parallel to the west coast of Florida and
then into Georgia. Mainly because Irma's eye has not deviated from
its westward motion, the new NHC forecast track has again shifted
slightly westward."
With every adjustment of the "cone," it moves westward hour by hour -- by now the prediction is that the eye will skim just along the west coast of Florida, or possibly just offshore, if the model keeps being adjusted further westward as it has been:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/11L_tracks_latest.png
Will miss Miami environs entirely for sure.
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2017 02:34 AM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 02:33 AM (giT7q)
Well, that is what I am arguing about anyway. Other's mileage may vary.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 02:35 AM (broQw)
I get to charge you special pricing, right? Because if food and water get to obey price gouging rules I sure as hell won't give you health care as a special exception here.
How much for your life?
Posted by: Locarno at September 09, 2017 02:32 AM (HhYvn)
Well, if I am dumb enough to travel into a hurricane path and get injured as a consequence, then I guess I had better be prepared to pay to get myself patched up. Good thing I have travel medical.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:35 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: Matthew Shkreli at September 09, 2017 02:35 AM (H5knJ)
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That would be exceedingly bad news for someone on the Gulf coast.
But yeah, I've thought it was weird how they just insisted for days that it was going to take a sharp right to hit FL (I'm sure they're models have reasons, but I haven't seen it explained).
Posted by: Methos at September 09, 2017 02:37 AM (XQvuQ)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 02:37 AM (PUmDY)
Posted by: The Great and Powerful Oz at September 09, 2017 02:38 AM (H5knJ)
Posted by: Matthew Shkreli at September 09, 2017 02:33 AM (H5knJ)
Good point. Rainwater is safe to drink. Why pay $80 for a flat of water, when you can set a few pails out in the rain, and collect gallons of pure water for nothing?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:38 AM (2le8w)
get to obey price gouging rules I sure as hell won't give you health
care as a special exception here.
How much for your life?
As much as you can get, and if you're unreasonable about it, I'm sure there is a vet who can give me care just as good (and a shiny coat to boot!) for half as much.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 09, 2017 02:38 AM (TTxD/)
Teleportation has its own inherit risks, you know.
Posted by: Scotty at September 09, 2017 02:38 AM (tNw24)
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 02:39 AM (giT7q)
Posted by: Scotty at September 09, 2017 02:39 AM (tNw24)
Say what?
People risk their lives to make money all the friggin time, for all of recorded history. Where have you been living?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 02:40 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2017 02:34 AM (DQ4Fv)
That's great. Let's hope this holds.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 02:40 AM (broQw)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 02:41 AM (Id9+8)
Were you feeling groovy?
Posted by: Weirddave at September 09, 2017 02:41 AM (TTxD/)
Of course it is. Do you know what it means when a governor or the president declares a state of emergency? It's not just a bunch of words, you should read up on it, it's just a bit different than normal times.
In fact, the very definition of a state of emergency is that the government has powers they wouldn't have under normal times because a state of emergency means it isn't normal times.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 02:42 AM (/tuJf)
Teleportation has its own inherit risks, you know.
Posted by: Scotty at September 09, 2017 02:38 AM (tNw24)
It will steal your soul!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 02:42 AM (broQw)
Good point. Rainwater is safe to drink. Why pay $80 for a flat of water, when you can set a few pails out in the rain, and collect gallons of pure water for nothing?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:38 AM (2le8w)
And I'll sell you this pail for only $29.95!
Posted by: Don Q. at September 09, 2017 02:43 AM (NgKpN)
I say that as a person who would not have left.
You buys your ticket and you takes your chances, but you shouldn't be taking anyone else with you.
I get that they can't evacuate every hospital, nursing home, etc; that some people really are without resources to leave. (A 98 year old with no family, I mean, not some able bodied layabout boy who's never held a job)
But they always say they aren't going to go out on emergency calls, and yet some noble souls always seem to be out there in the worst part of it, rescuing some fool who didn't leave.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 02:43 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 02:33 AM (giT7q)
Not to mention someone once said: Never let a crisis go to waste. A short term emergency has never given us bad policy that had lasting repercussions before?
Banking?
Homeland security?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 02:44 AM (broQw)
get to obey price gouging rules I sure as hell won't give you health
care as a special exception here.
How much for your life?
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Health care is already in a permanent state of gouging for precisely that reason (and that we allow health insurance to exist).
Posted by: Methos at September 09, 2017 02:45 AM (XQvuQ)
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That would be exceedingly bad news for someone on the Gulf coast.
But yeah, I've thought it was weird how they just insisted for days that it was going to take a sharp right to hit FL (I'm sure they're models have reasons, but I haven't seen it explained).
Posted by: Methos
New predicted storm tracks:
https://icons.wunderground.com/data/images/at201711_model.gif
Some models have the eye missing the main part of Florida entirely, entering the Gulf of Mexico, then turning north and crossing the panhandle into Alabama.
Other models have it just offshore of FL's west coast.
Others -- worst-case scenario -- it goes straight up the west coast.
But none of these in any way match what we've been told for a week, that it will hit the EAST coast of Florida or even remain offshore the east coast.
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2017 02:45 AM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 02:39 AM (giT7q)
That 1774 proclamation that was posted earlier wasn't actually a law, with penalties for breach of it. More like a Congressional resolution. The "penalty" for gouging was essentially public disapproval.
Which is kind of what we free-marketers here are advocating: if you think you are being "gouged" don't deal with the gouger, or shun his business after the emergency has passed.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:46 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2017 02:34 AM (DQ4Fv)
That's great. Let's hope this holds.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
The crazy part is that people are fleeing from Miami northward -- where they might be heading straight INTO the hurricane's path, after having evacuated a safer area!
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2017 02:48 AM (DQ4Fv)
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2017 02:45 AM (DQ4Fv)
But that's just par for the course for hurricane forecasting. It is really unusual for them to get much right outside of a day or two, though we all know the general action of hurricanes over the past.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 02:48 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: Methos at September 09, 2017 02:37 AM (XQvuQ)
The best way I can explain a hurricane's whims is that hurricanes like the path of least resistance. Cold water vs. warm water. A high pressure front vs. no high pressure front. When a hurricane is down around Puerto Rico/Cuba, the water and high pressure systems will generally dictate whether a hurricane takes a left into the Gulf, skirting the south coast of Florida, or the hurricane takes a right up the coast. I've seen hurricanes take that right turn up the coast, usually due to cold water, then veer off into the mid-Atlantic, following what warm water it can find. I saw the water temps for the Hatteras/Va Beach to be around 72 degrees (chilly for this time of year) while down around GA to Miami it's around 84 degrees. So the odds of a hurricane going up the East coast lessen as the water temps continue to drop. Florida and the Gulf Coast could get real busy, though.
Posted by: RickZ at September 09, 2017 02:49 AM (I1cfI)
government has powers they wouldn't have under normal times because a
state of emergency means it isn't normal times.
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Because they say so.
Posted by: Methos at September 09, 2017 02:50 AM (XQvuQ)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 02:50 AM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Jennifer Lawrence, Moral Philosopher and Cunt at September 09, 2017 02:51 AM (H5knJ)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 02:52 AM (broQw)
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Compliance committees established by and within the colonies enforced the various articles.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 02:52 AM (giT7q)
Yes. ANd they institute some very retarded policies for these super-special emergencies that will not help in alleviating any potential suffering.
In fact, the very definition of a state of emergency is that the government has powers they wouldn't have under normal times because a state of emergency means it isn't normal times.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 02:42 AM (/tuJf)
Who's arguing against that? That doesn't mean that when they declare certain emergencies is correct or what powers they take from the citizenry and relegate to themselves are correct, either.
Sure, they can declare anything they want and institute all sorts of insane laws and pseudo-laws. I gave the example of the pressure-cooker bombers and Boston for that (though that had nothing to do with price controls and the best way to have necessities available).
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 02:52 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: Weirddave at September 09, 2017 02:41 AM (TTxD/)
Not really. I got stuck walking over the upper level, no protection from a warm August sun; the upper level was HOT. Those kids with the water bottles were just what the doctor ordered.
Posted by: RickZ at September 09, 2017 02:53 AM (I1cfI)
Scorched Earth. I still say it was the worst one.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 02:54 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Jennifer Lawrence, Moral Philosopher and Cunt at September 09, 2017 02:51 AM (H5knJ)
Heh. Nice use of sock!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:54 AM (2le8w)
Mr LaPage is your man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xCJzQZMIrE
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 02:54 AM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 02:52 AM (broQw)
I had the same thing with Agnes. I don't even remember if we got hit by it but, from when I was young, it was always the first hurricane name into my head.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 02:55 AM (rZ+mb)
thread. This issue is called the Homesteading question, which touches on
property rights.
Is it legal to take abandoned property, and how
do you define "abandoned"? This also asks if property rights are
absolute, all there or all gone, or can parts of the use or ownership be
abandoned without losing right to the whole thing.
If, for
example a person who owns a plot of land and there is a long history of
people freely crossing it, can the owner prevent free passage or is it
by right of free usage considered public access? Is there a time limit
to stop passage or is the general and accepted free use considered
enough to erode the rights of the owner over control of access to his
property?
(this is principally an issue with common law, I understand that things are held differently in Napoleonic Code)
Of
course there are scads of contradictory arguments to be made for and
against, but they all come down to an argument about what is property
and what are the rights over it, and if they are severable or fully
inherent in ownership.
I think this is an essential element to understanding property rights, but then I get called a stinking hippie for my concerns.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 09, 2017 01:35 AM (Gv+zt)
Crossing one property to get to another creates a right of way after a certain amount of time, as for how long, I've heard about 2 years of use.
Many years ago, the owner of the business I worked at got really pissed at the adjacent property owners. The owners of the two properties on either side of our building somehow got permission to put their buildings right on the property line adjacent to our building. Our building had all the setbacks that were written into the code, and our building was approved and built before those property owners even built their buildings. Both of those buildings had their fire doors on the side facing our building and basically emptying out on our building's property. Everything was doing fine until the employees of one building started using the fire escape doors as their smoking area and coming out on our property doing that. Then, the other building on the other side started using our driveway as a way to have deliveries made through their fire exit. Our owner built a fence when they didn't stop and he was then threatened by the Fire Marshall to remove the fence because it took the other building out of code. He took it down but sued the property owner and got him to sign an agreement that he did not have a right to come onto the property, that way, there was no taking.
Also, the rear of the property backed up to another business. Our employees and employees of that company would drive through the grass as a shortcut. Up went fences to stop that, but some of our employees continued to do so, even after the boss told them to knock it off. He didn't want our driveway and parking lot to become an entrance for that business. It stopped really quick when he saw one employee doing it one afternoon, and an hour later he was being handed a severance check.
If you have property, you need to protect your rights at all time.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at September 09, 2017 02:55 AM (1JnAL)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 02:56 AM (yE+j4)
entering the Gulf of Mexico, then turning north and crossing the
panhandle into Alabama.
Other models have it just offshore of FL's west coast.
Others -- worst-case scenario -- it goes straight up the west coast.
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Of those options, that's the worst case for Florida.
My thought was if it doesn't make that turn soon, it's going to be out over open, warm water, and packing a bigger punch than it currently has by the time it finds some land to impact.
Which strikes me as worse, unless I'm missing something.
Posted by: Methos at September 09, 2017 02:56 AM (XQvuQ)
Which strikes me as worse, unless I'm missing something.
Posted by: Methos at September 09, 2017 02:56 AM (XQvuQ)
Why can't Dick Cheney twiddle some knobs on the hurricane machine, and simply stall that sucker over Cuba for a week?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:59 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: Methos
Well, the thinking is that the west coast of florida is densely populated with several major metropolises, compared to the panhandle and backwoods Alabama. So while the eastern-track option may cause Irma to have more of a punch when it hits land, it will impact far fewer people.
Of course, for those people it would be worse, but it would be far better for millions of other people.
Posted by: zombie at September 09, 2017 03:00 AM (DQ4Fv)
I have Primordial Ordered Pair saying I don't recognize that people will risk their lives for money when the thrust of my argument is that the motivation of not dying is much more motivating than a 1000% markup on stuff - normal logistical channels for the kind of stuff covered by price gouging laws is restored very fast, and the opportunities for effective price gouging must effectively be seized on the spot to be exploited. Therefore the armchair economizing fails - the gouging cannot effectively incentivize supply. The local market must go with what it has.
I have WeirdDave saying he's going to go shopping when going a mile down the street is an adventure. Good luck with that.
I'm with Jack Straw on this. It's called a state of emergency for a reason. Namely, it is not anywhere close to a state of normality. Now, I'm going to sleep, because things are going to go to hell here in a day and a half or so. G'night everyone.
Posted by: Locarno at September 09, 2017 03:01 AM (HhYvn)
Apparently you and everyone else who keeps arguing that anti-pricing gouging laws during a time of civil emergency has anything to do with free market economics. It doesn't. Never has and never will.
It is simply a matter of not allowing the price of basic necessities to be manipulated because of artificial constraints as it is under communism. You aren't arguing for communism, are you?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 03:01 AM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 03:03 AM (PUmDY)
Good point. Rainwater is safe to drink. Why pay
$80 for a flat of water, when you can set a few pails out in the rain,
and collect gallons of pure water for nothing?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 02:38 AM (2le8w)
Not if you live west of the Mississippi.
There the government says that they own all the water.
East of the Mississippi, the government is doing its damnedest to say that they own all the water.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at September 09, 2017 03:05 AM (1JnAL)
Posted by: Locarno at September 09, 2017 03:01 AM (HhYvn)
Stay safe man.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 09, 2017 03:05 AM (broQw)
be manipulated because of artificial constraints as it is under
communism. You aren't arguing for communism, are you?
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If I'm gouging, I'm in effect saying 'I don't particularly want to sell this' and the prospective buyer is saying 'I don't really want it badly enough for that price' with the end logical result being I keep my stuff. Which is pretty much the opposite of communism.
You're arguing 'I have a need, give me your shit'. Which I'm sure you can characterize yourself.
Posted by: Methos at September 09, 2017 03:06 AM (XQvuQ)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 03:01 AM (/tuJf)
Dude ...
You just jumped the shark.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 03:07 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2017 03:07 AM (/tuJf)
I see both points, so I am not trying to be an ass and am just genuinely curious: what constitutes gouging to you?
Is it a certain percentage, do you think? And of course let's say the merchandise is life-giving; water, foodstuffs. Does the timing matter? They day before the disaster as opposed to a few days later?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:07 AM (yE+j4)
JackStraw has a list of exorbitant prices for goods and excessive prices for goods. You have to specifically address which type of gouging you are asking about. This is all very scientific ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 03:10 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:10 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 02:56 AM (yE+j4)
I grew up in Norfolk, VA and experienced quite a few hurricanes. My first hurricane that I remember was Hurricane Donna in '60; I was four. I also remember Camille in '69, but not because we got a direct hit by the hurricane. Camille packed so much water that when it got into the mountains of Tennessee/North Carolina/Virginia, it caused severe flooding in Richmond. (There's a photo of a bridge on I-95, just south of Richmond which crosses the James River (50 or more feet below); the photo shows the James lapping over that bridge. I got stuck in Canada while on vacation thanks to Hurricane Gloria in '85; the ferry wasn't running due to rough water.
When you get hit/affected by a hurricane, you remember its name. Of course, I remember other biggies, as well. But the ones you've experienced are the ones you remember first.
Posted by: RickZ at September 09, 2017 03:11 AM (I1cfI)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:15 AM (yE+j4)
The funny thing is that in a super-special emergency situation those $300 sneakers could probably only bring $30 ... so the state can then prosecute the buyer for theft-gounging! We can get everyone in jail!!
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 03:16 AM (rZ+mb)
the current asking price does Uncle Sugar gets to arrest the business
owner.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:15 AM (yE+j4)
Democrat or Republican business owner?
Posted by: Deep State at September 09, 2017 03:17 AM (vzgzF)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 03:18 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 03:18 AM (PUmDY)
I remember Camille a little; I had not yet turned 6, and what I remember mostly was the stench of animals rotting everywhere afterwards. We were well inland in Mississippi and we could still smell it.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:19 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2017 03:21 AM (2le8w)
Posted by: Deep State at September 09, 2017 03:17 AM (vzgzF)
Ha, excellent point.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:21 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:24 AM (yE+j4)
Not defending or criticizing that definition; just trying to provide some background as to how it is actually playing out. And that's just for looking into it, not necessarily what will be prosecuted.
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 09, 2017 03:28 AM (H5knJ)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 03:28 AM (PUmDY)
Wow. So every gas station in America has been "gouging", by the Texas standards. Awesome.
It's all pretty funny ... a 10% increase in "normal" times would be taken right in stride - if bitched about a bit.
That's just insane. They might as well just declare all prices frozen.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 03:31 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 03:34 AM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 09, 2017 03:34 AM (H5knJ)
"Ken Paxton, TX Attorney General, has said that the threshold for looking
into gouging is an increase in price of 10% over the average for 3
months preceding the emergency."
I know you are just posting the facts you read so rhetorical. Based on Convenience store, Walmart or Whole Foods prices? Even if they average the three the Convenience store was breaking that law before the emergency.
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 03:35 AM (vzgzF)
Thank you, that's exactly what I was wondering!
And I think it's ridiculous, too; that is not very bad. And hopefully it's just for true necessities. And Co-cola.
Agree they probably wouldn't prosecute, but it'd start to catch their attention.
I personally wouldn't start thinking too much until like, say, 10 times the cost. Which for water still wouldn't be that much actual money. Maybe 20 times?
I honestly don't know at what point I'd call the guy an asshole. Maybe never?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:37 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 03:35 AM (vzgzF)
They've taken that into account. They're going to allow people to just loot the convenience stores.
This is all so great ... looters no longer get shot, they're allowed to just tear the places up and walk away with other people's shit, and people who actually are willing to provide goods are going to be arrested for making money.
It's almost funny ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 03:39 AM (rZ+mb)
Feel free to ignore me. Or call me a troll!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:39 AM (yE+j4)
Good to know if I'm ever in this kind of emergency.
Posted by: X-ray at September 09, 2017 03:41 AM (vzgzF)
"Look boss, I'm always an asshole" is a helluva defense, but I got to think it's a valid one. (Tongue firmly in cheek about the characterization of that defense.)
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 09, 2017 03:42 AM (H5knJ)
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 09, 2017 03:34 AM (H5knJ)
I wish they weren't fighting about it, because I really do like this sort of discussion.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:43 AM (yE+j4)
The bill comes in for your 1 day stay and it is $70,000. You have no insurance. Have you been gouged? Antivenom can cost up to $14k per vial in the US. It costs around $150 down Mexico way. Will the baseball bat be making a house call on the emergency room?
PS -- This is based on an actual recent case, though I might have the grand total number off somewhat. I can even provide the (shudder) WaPo link.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 09, 2017 03:44 AM (0ogQG)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 03:46 AM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:46 AM (yE+j4)
That guy giving the lady the last generator made me tear up... That was a really kind, true humanitarian gesture.
Posted by: Gem at September 09, 2017 03:47 AM (uaHyk)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 03:46 AM (PUmDY)
And damn you anyway, because i was just about to sign off, and now I can't cuz I can't let you think you ran me off!
But since none of these Morons has come to defend me, perhaps I have been beating a dead horse, and if so, I apologize.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:48 AM (yE+j4)
Rabies shots, also spendy. And they hurt and you have to get plenty of them.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:51 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 03:51 AM (PUmDY)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September
You bit Thor again?
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 03:52 AM (0wem/)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 09, 2017 03:51 AM (PUmDY)
Against yourself?!
But thank you, that is very kind of you. I do love you Morons!
And I am going to bed... good day, dear ones!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:54 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 03:57 AM (YOl0X)
Posted by: yankeefifth at September 09, 2017 03:52 AM (0wem/)
Can I help it when his shoulder is right there, and me so caught up in .... philosophical thoughts?
Good night, you!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:57 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 03:57 AM (giT7q)
Remind me what they were?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 03:58 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 03:58 AM (YOl0X)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 09, 2017 03:59 AM (/qEW2)
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 04:00 AM (YOl0X)
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 09, 2017 04:00 AM (H5knJ)
https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/why-health-insurance-so-complicated
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 04:01 AM (pPKG5)
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 04:01 AM (YOl0X)
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 09, 2017 04:00 AM (H5knJ)
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Collection is tightly regulated and controlled by the Railroad Commission. /s
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 04:02 AM (giT7q)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 04:02 AM (yE+j4)
also, unless you live somewhere where that sort of thing happens often (like Texas) many facilities won't even have any, or more than an initial dose, and will have to emergency ship more it, driving up the cost.
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 04:03 AM (YOl0X)
No, I didn't even see that, God bless your sweetheart! I have calmed down, but I will go check it out. Thank you so much,sweetheart!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 04:04 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 04:04 AM (YOl0X)
Philosophical thoughts. I remember those.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 04:07 AM (Id9+8)
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 04:07 AM (YOl0X)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 04:08 AM (Id9+8)
fact immune people are amusing, at least for awhile. it's fun to wind them up and watch them run into wall after wall when their delusions are shredded.
gawd but i miss Usenet.
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 04:10 AM (YOl0X)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 09, 2017 04:11 AM (/qEW2)
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 04:11 AM (YOl0X)
I just saw the news about the big one, thought it was current!
Thanks for the link, I very much appreciate you taking the time to do that,, I was too nervous to look Tuesday, but after reading everything, I think I'm good!
Hunching over this laptop is probably the culprit and tonight will probably land me on the dang WoS again...
Anyway, good night for sure, I am about asleep!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 09, 2017 04:13 AM (yE+j4)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 04:13 AM (Id9+8)
one is consistently much higher per gallon than the other.
are they gouging?
(trick question: rent is higher at the other because of adjacent land values)
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 04:14 AM (YOl0X)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 04:17 AM (rZ+mb)
Is price-gouging a Thing now at the blog? Like ketchup and the War of Northern Aggression?
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 04:18 AM (Id9+8)
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 04:20 AM (pPKG5)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 04:17 AM (rZ+mb)
More sales tax revenues with price-gouging, no? Do they have sales tax in Texas?
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 04:21 AM (Id9+8)
Be back with donuts
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 04:22 AM (pPKG5)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 04:23 AM (Id9+8)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 04:21 AM (Id9+
Sure. 6.25%
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 09, 2017 04:24 AM (rZ+mb)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 04:13 AM (Id9+
---
i can, from the cats anyway.
all i get from the other person here is a cold shoulder and bitching.
i don't even try anymore, or think about thinking philosophical thoughts.
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 04:24 AM (YOl0X)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 09, 2017 04:25 AM (/qEW2)
one is consistently much higher per gallon than the other.
are they gouging?
(trick question: rent is higher at the other because of adjacent land values)
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 04:14 AM (YOl0X)
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I'd pay more. It is much more pleasurable to pump gas adjacent to nice land.
Posted by: RioBravo at September 09, 2017 04:25 AM (giT7q)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 04:25 AM (Id9+8)
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 04:26 AM (YOl0X)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 04:27 AM (Id9+8)
Is price-gouging a Thing now at the blog? Like ketchup and the War of Northern Aggression?
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess
Easiest way to guarantee 1000+ here is with some theme involving a word game (like puns).
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 09, 2017 04:29 AM (/qEW2)
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i'm a cheap bastage, and traffic is worse at the other station, always a consideration here in Lost Angels. the scenery isn't really any better at the high price one, it's just more expensive land.
Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 09, 2017 04:29 AM (YOl0X)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 04:33 AM (Id9+8)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 09, 2017 04:35 AM (Id9+8)
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 09, 2017 04:35 AM (YOl0X)
I have Alberta Oil Peon claiming that he has insurance, an explicit
contractual agreement to control prices regardless of costs, and he
regards this with satisfaction; he does not, however, recognize the
informal "insurance" of social mores in disasters, and feels government
legal recognition and enforcement of same as just beyond the pale.
I have Primordial Ordered Pair saying I don't recognize that people
will risk their lives for money when the thrust of my argument is that
the motivation of not dying is much more motivating than a 1000% markup
on stuff - normal logistical channels for the kind of stuff covered by
price gouging laws is restored very fast, and the opportunities for
effective price gouging must effectively be seized on the spot to be
exploited. Therefore the armchair economizing fails - the gouging cannot
effectively incentivize supply. The local market must go with what it
has.
I have WeirdDave saying he's going to go shopping when going a mile down the street is an adventure. Good luck with that.
You have....a lot of strawmen. Ain't no crows getting within a mile of that.
What you actually have is something that works but is bloodless, and your emotions are crying out for a "better" "solution", and we're telling you that, no, the bloodless solution is overall better for everyone. Even you and your finely honed sense of what is "fair".
It is simply a matter of not allowing the price of basic necessities to
be manipulated because of artificial constraints as it is under
communism. You aren't arguing for communism, are you?
Well no, we're not, but you, literally(actually literally), are. You just seem to think that a hurricane excuses it. You're wrong.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 09, 2017 04:37 AM (TTxD/)
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess
When a capitalist attempts to "gouge" you, you can always refuse, even if that means saving up tap water. When the government gouges you, there is no escape.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at September 09, 2017 04:51 AM (/qEW2)
Posted by: creeper at September 09, 2017 04:59 AM (oBghv)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at September 09, 2017 05:00 AM (b4nES)
Posted by: Curmudgeonly Ex-Clerk at September 09, 2017 05:09 AM (H5knJ)
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 05:37 AM (pPKG5)
gas is up to $2.90
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 05:39 AM (pPKG5)
Gas at $2.90 a gallon. But is it free range, organic, sustainable, locally sourced, and produced by indigenous people?
Posted by: Latest Lefty Talking Point at September 09, 2017 05:46 AM (EgwCt)
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 05:48 AM (pPKG5)
If you have a high-quality filtering and purification system, any water is potable water. I have a pump-operated Katadyn Hiker Pro and it provides a lot of peace of mind. A larger, gravity-operated counter unit such as a Big Berkey does the same for a larger family.
That said, I do keep 4 or so of those 1-gallon jugs of water on hand and use and replace them as they get old.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 09, 2017 05:56 AM (ul9CR)
Listening to it now. Pretty interesting for us political junkies.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 09, 2017 05:59 AM (ul9CR)
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 06:04 AM (pPKG5)
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 06:13 AM (pPKG5)
Posted by: Bruce at September 09, 2017 06:15 AM (8ikIW)
And yet, she persisted...in brushing off his advice. If she'd listened to him, she very well might have won.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 09, 2017 06:25 AM (ul9CR)
Good Morning Morons Today is Saturday, September 9, 2017. On this day in 1776 the Continental Congress officially named its union of the colonies the United States.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2017 06:26 AM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 06:26 AM (pPKG5)
http://tinyurl.com/yauefalb
Better graphic from WU.
http://tinyurl.com/yao57bvn
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2017 06:26 AM (mpXpK)
http://tinyurl.com/ya58c6sa
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2017 06:27 AM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2017 06:27 AM (mpXpK)
http://tinyurl.com/ycq95nlf
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2017 06:27 AM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2017 06:27 AM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 06:27 AM (pPKG5)
http://tinyurl.com/ya5xdh3v
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2017 06:28 AM (mpXpK)
http://tinyurl.com/y9ch5znr
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http://tinyurl.com/ydewjaup
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http://tinyurl.com/ydbfowmq
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http://tinyurl.com/ycy42c79
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http://tinyurl.com/ya9d8wbs
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Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 06:29 AM (pPKG5)
http://tinyurl.com/ycwrdjua
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2017 06:30 AM (mpXpK)
http://tinyurl.com/yauqtqpt
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http://tinyurl.com/ycnthmhn
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2017 06:30 AM (mpXpK)
Education Secretary Betsy DeVos announced in a speech Thursday that she will roll back an Obama-era guidance document that drove colleges to implement Star Chamber-like tribunals to mishandle sexual assault cases.
http://tinyurl.com/ya2glxs2
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2017 06:31 AM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2017 06:31 AM (mpXpK)
Bill Clinton should have mansplained better for the little woman.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at September 09, 2017 06:32 AM (EgwCt)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2017 06:32 AM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at September 09, 2017 06:32 AM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 09, 2017 06:34 AM (EyPfd)
Posted by: Bruce at September 09, 2017 06:38 AM (8ikIW)
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 06:40 AM (pPKG5)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 09, 2017 06:42 AM (ul9CR)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at September 09, 2017 06:42 AM (b4nES)
I'm going to check this out but saying right now before I do it is going to say they are really not going to look into anything Obama federal employees did, but Trump federal employees will be hounded for anything real or imagined.
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 06:44 AM (pPKG5)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 09, 2017 06:48 AM (ul9CR)
Posted by: freaked at September 09, 2017 06:55 AM (BO/km)
Posted by: zombie
The eye wall maybe.
But Irma is 250 miles wide & Florida is 140 mile wide.
Posted by: Adriane the Geography Critic ... at September 09, 2017 06:56 AM (AoK0a)
Posted by: Adriane the Geography Critic ... at September 09, 2017 06:57 AM (AoK0a)
Posted by: AltonJackson at September 09, 2017 06:57 AM (KCxzN)
Posted by: Adriane the Geography Critic ... at September 09, 2017 06:58 AM (AoK0a)
Posted by: Adriane the Geography Critic ... at September 09, 2017 06:58 AM (AoK0a)
Are they treating you well?
Posted by: Skip at September 09, 2017 06:58 AM (pPKG5)
I'm not saying some trash cans won't be blown around, but a lot of trash cans will be blown around.
I remember a bunch of years back, when a family member lived in South Florida and a Cat 3 rolled over. I was watching on web cam and trash cans were blowing all up and down the street.
It was terrifying.
Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at September 09, 2017 07:03 AM (EgwCt)
When he departed Maryland, the parents were to the west of the projected path, and expected to be somewhat safer than say...Miami.
Last nights shift in track to the west puts the eye damn near over their house.
Oh Boy.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 09, 2017 07:09 AM (EyPfd)
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Le NOOD
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When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)