AP Now Calling Illegal Aliens "Undocumented <i>Citizens</i>"

AP Now Calling Illegal Aliens "Undocumented Citizens"

Orwell just emailed me to say "Told you so."

From the Associated Press: "undocumented citizens" pic.twitter.com/UsMYHz4Mga
— Alex Griswold (@HashtagGriswold) September 7, 2017

@amber_athey points out that this isn't even part of AP's "style guide" to specify what euphemisms they will use -- so this actually breaks the style guide.

You'd get in trouble with deviating from the style guide to call them "illegal aliens" (which is what they are), but you can get away with breaking the style guide's rules to coin an even more Orwellian euphemism.

Posted by: Ace at 01:38 PM

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1 So is everybody in the world now a US citizen? Talk about diverse!

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at September 08, 2017 01:39 PM (zsUWe)

2 Spin, spin, spin!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet - Merchandising Fine Harrangues, Declamations, & Despairs since 2012 at September 08, 2017 01:40 PM (hLRSq)

3 Pretty soon actual Americans will be "documented inhabitants."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2017 01:40 PM (Mouru)

4 Can I walk in to AP headquarters and start sending out stories as an 'undocumented employee?'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 08, 2017 01:40 PM (oVJmc)

5 AP STYLE GUIDE

Illegal aliens -- Pre-citizens

Existing Americans -- Pre-criminals.

Posted by: zombie at September 08, 2017 01:41 PM (DQ4Fv)

6 No. Just. Plain. NO. words fucking mean something. Im so sick of these freaking communists.

Posted by: Foxy Boxy is my new nic at September 08, 2017 01:41 PM (l0udt)

7 I call my technique "enhanced seduction".

Posted by: Bill Cosby at September 08, 2017 01:41 PM (gIRsn)

8 Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 08, 2017 01:40 PM (oVJmc)

Please do and demand a big salary t go along with it!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 08, 2017 01:42 PM (iVOAv)

9 So, they lost their SSN cards?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:42 PM (5IkYA)

10 For that matter, does that now mean I can move to any other landmass I might want to live in, without hinderance?

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at September 08, 2017 01:42 PM (zsUWe)

11 How can I become an 'undocumented citizen'; I would love for the IRS to not know I existed.

Posted by: Jean at September 08, 2017 01:42 PM (9TU00)

12 6 No. Just. Plain. NO. words fucking mean something. Im so sick of these freaking communists.
Posted by: Foxy Boxy is my new nic at September 08, 2017 01:41 PM (l0udt)

==============

"Stalinists, my friend. Not all communists are terrible."
-George Orwell

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:42 PM (5IkYA)

13 So sayeth the AP, an alledged news source.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 08, 2017 01:42 PM (0tfLf)

14 For that matter, does that now mean I can move to any other landmass I might want to live in, without hinderance?

Peruvia accepts all comers.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (Mouru)

15 I bet the "undocumented citizen" phrase was used by an Axelrod administration commissar, and it is an indirect quote.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (39g3+)

16 Unprosecuted Criminals

Posted by: garrett at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (onDmy)

17 Somebody should tell the IRS about this. Then they would have all the documents the could have ever dreamed of.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (YV+SU)

18 It's easy. They wouldn't care so much if they didn't absolutely, 100% know there are illegal votes involved.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Bama's Boot Stomping on the Face of College Football - Forever at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (UUvSq)

19 documented foreigner = undocumented (American) citizen

it has a (hollow) ring of truth to it, sorta "truthy"

in certain cases at (relativistic speeds, in the multi-verse, during total eclipse) 2+2=5

Posted by: illiniwek at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (yKAUL)

20 "Trump free zone"

*looks at map of United States and makes sure Chicago is still on it *

Yep.

There are no Trump free zones within the United States orders. He's the president, little angry dude with the worst murder rate and lowest high school graduation rate on any city in the country.

Posted by: Marcus T, Reassigned to indirect fire at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (9xpg1)

21 10 For that matter, does that now mean I can move to any other landmass I might want to live in, without hinderance?
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at September 08, 2017 01:42 PM (zsUWe)

=============

"Come on in! Wait...too many!"
-Canada

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (5IkYA)

22 I want to move inro one of these jers poah homes and get to stay there forever because im an undocumented family member.

Posted by: Foxy Boxy is my new nic at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (l0udt)

23 So is everybody in the world now a US citizen? Talk about diverse!

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at September 08, 2017 01:39 PM (zsUWe)

My thought exactly.

Fuck these scum.

Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (Jcg9Q)

24

It's..no... fun ..... being an illegal alien....

~Phil Collins

Posted by: fixerupper at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (8XRCm)

25 From now on I will be identifying as an undeclared American when crossing the border into the USA

Posted by: Rick in SK at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (FZYNt)

26 >>Peruvia accepts all comers.

You will be hearing from my lawyer.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (onDmy)

27 You forgot the appropriate phrase to use whenever discussing this - criminal illegal aliens.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 08, 2017 01:44 PM (7ZVPa)

28 Well, AP is one of the enemy combatants in this culture war, so I'm not surprised.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2017 01:44 PM (xJa6I)

29 17 Somebody should tell the IRS about this. Then they would have all the documents the could have ever dreamed of.
Posted by: Puddin Head at September 08, 2017 01:43 PM (YV+SU)

==============

Too busy policing political speech.

Exactly as the founders intended.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:44 PM (5IkYA)

30 "Orwellian euphemism"

The very term "Dreamer" is an outrageous euphemism, coined out of thin air to label one group of illegal aliens as being dreamy and uplifting. And yet now everyone is using the euphemism as if it is a physically real description or official English-language word for a group of people. So infuriating!

Posted by: zombie at September 08, 2017 01:44 PM (DQ4Fv)

31
Yup.

Just like I'm Jennifer Annistons undocumented boytoy.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 08, 2017 01:45 PM (8XRCm)

32 "Stalinists, my friend. Not all communists are terrible."
-George Orwell
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:42 PM (5IkYA)

In fairness, didn't he become so disillusioned by his experiences in the Spanish Civil War that Orwell realized that yes, all communists *are* terrible? (I know, "If Orwell had not contracted TB and lived on..." is speculative).

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 01:45 PM (ujg0T)

33 Someone needs to send the US the standard of what being a citizen actually is:

https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 08, 2017 01:45 PM (iVOAv)

34 They call them citizens now that it is public knowledge that they are voting in our elections.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 08, 2017 01:45 PM (7ZVPa)

35 In before the Scorpion.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 01:45 PM (LTHVh)

36 AP Now Calling Illegal Aliens "Undocumented Citizens"

it just never stops.

Posted by: CharlestheHammer at September 08, 2017 01:45 PM (Qgyll)

37 Okay, I'm not an actual citizen, but I did work at a Holiday Inn Express last week.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 08, 2017 01:46 PM (mvenn)

38 We need to help the dreamers out. How about locating them all in Malibu? Who would complain?

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 08, 2017 01:46 PM (YV+SU)

39 "Stalinists, my friend. Not all communists are terrible."
-George Orwell
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:42 PM (5IkYA)

No, they all are. Not all of them are shooting at you, but they are all...all your enemies. And the enemies of liberty, freedom of thought and the right to be left alone.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2017 01:46 PM (xJa6I)

40 work +=> stay

f'n autocorrect

Posted by: Muldoon at September 08, 2017 01:46 PM (mvenn)

41 Pretty soon actual Americans will be "documented inhabitants."

Kulaks.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 01:46 PM (LTHVh)

42 People.

Please :

-Undocumented Comrades

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (onDmy)

43 Undocumented voters?

Posted by: Eggo at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (UmPR1)

44 Well, they are "citizens." Just not of the US.

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (eytER)

45 AP Now Calling Illegal Aliens "Undocumented Citizens"

it just never stops.

Posted by: CharlestheHammer at September 08, 2017 01:45 PM (Qgyll)

It stops when enough people decide it will stop. Sadly, we're nowhere near that point yet.

Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (Jcg9Q)

46 Back in my day we just called them mojados.

Posted by: Roland THTG at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (baYK5)

47 Republican Senator Bob Menendez rates this story as True.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (KUaJL)

48 32

In fairness, didn't he become so disillusioned by his experiences in the Spanish Civil War that Orwell realized that yes, all communists *are* terrible? (I know, "If Orwell had not contracted TB and lived on..." is speculative).
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 01:45 PM (ujg0T)

============

I'm very very far from an expert on Orwell, but I seem to remember that he was a full blown socialist (in the Bernie Sanders mold) until the day he died.

He grew to hate the specific brand of Communism that was Stalinism.

I think. I'm probably wrong.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (5IkYA)

49 They call white men "documented occupiers".

Posted by: Roy at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (7n4KQ)

50 Emanuel said Chicago schools "will be a Trump-free zone"
...............

That'll solve everything.

Posted by: wth at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (HgMAr)

51 No visa
No income tax
No traffic ticket warrants
No drivers license needed
EBT card
Reduced college tuition

Some "citizens" have it better than others.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2017 01:48 PM (Mouru)

52 work +=> stay

Posted by: Muldoon at September 08, 2017 01:46 PM (mvenn)

I don't understand the math.

Posted by: Jennifer Lawrence at September 08, 2017 01:48 PM (EgwCt)

53 47 Republican Senator Bob Menendez rates this story as True.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (KUaJL)

=============

Well, all Republicans in New Jersey love Obama, so there's that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:48 PM (5IkYA)

54 I prefer "unincarcerated inmates".

Posted by: tu3031 at September 08, 2017 01:48 PM (O5Q3r)

55 If you believed that a YouTube Video caused a spontaneous riot of crew served weapons you are sure to believe that minor children from Central America all decided to get up and travel 1,500 miles and cross two and three international boarders all on their own.

Stupid Times, People. Stupid Times.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 08, 2017 01:48 PM (YV+SU)

56 Emanuel said Chicago schools "will be a Trump-free zone"

Problem is, he isn't holding the cards.

Posted by: Roy at September 08, 2017 01:48 PM (7n4KQ)

57
'and you will do as you are told
until the rights to you are sold'

Posted by: Central Scrutinizer at September 08, 2017 01:49 PM (onDmy)

58 journalists a Certified Retards. Or Self-Admitted Traitors.

Why is it so hard for some liberals to understand that coutnries are actually the people who live here. Not the people they can import in so as to disrupt the natives' voting trends.

Posted by: andrew jarbacka at September 08, 2017 01:49 PM (DQdye)

59 bah, they are not undocumented citizens they have other peoples documents they use.

when those get dirty they use another citizens documents

Posted by: willow at September 08, 2017 01:49 PM (FKrah)

60 "unindicted aliens?"

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at September 08, 2017 01:49 PM (eytER)

61 54 I prefer "unincarcerated inmates".
Posted by: tu3031

As-yet undried back-owners.

Posted by: zombie at September 08, 2017 01:49 PM (DQ4Fv)

62
I'm very very far from an expert on Orwell, but I seem to remember that he was a full blown socialist (in the Bernie Sanders mold) until the day he died.

He grew to hate the specific brand of Communism that was Stalinism.

I think. I'm probably wrong.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (5IkYA)

I think he did stay socialist but he broke with the communists.

Socialist are also bad people, but they can be kept out of power using the voting box instead of the cartridge box.

Ideally.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2017 01:49 PM (xJa6I)

63 Unproven pedophile

Posted by: Sen. Menedez, D Bad Intent at September 08, 2017 01:50 PM (6dFYM)

64 A majority of those covered by DACA are over 20 years old. i.e. They are not "children" by definition. They are adults and should be completely subject to relevant immigration statutes.

If anyone is convicted of a crime, they should be deported. Just curious, do the supporters of DACA want them to live on and dream of more crime?

Chicago is a murderous shithole for a reason. And that completely pre dates this president.

Posted by: Marcus T, Reassigned to indirect fire at September 08, 2017 01:50 PM (9xpg1)

65 61 54 I prefer "unincarcerated inmates".
Posted by: tu3031

As-yet undried back-owners.
Posted by: zombie at September 08, 2017 01:49 PM (DQ4Fv)

LOL

I see what you did there...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2017 01:50 PM (xJa6I)

66 Ahhh a new addition to their "style book."

Posted by: Traveling Man at September 08, 2017 01:50 PM (R5lpX)

67 54 I prefer "unincarcerated inmates".
Posted by: tu3031

This term also works with politicians!

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 08, 2017 01:50 PM (KUaJL)

68 Willowed.

So Trump is holding cabinet meeting this weekend at Camp David and has invited all spouses of cabinet members.

That means the Turtle will be there. Talk about awkward.

I have visions of McConnell at the back table, right next to the kitchen door, getting bumped every time a waiter comes in and out.

Posted by: WisRich at September 08, 2017 01:50 PM (G0vdT)

69 ciudadanos indocumentados

Posted by: wth at September 08, 2017 01:50 PM (HgMAr)

70 So, if everyone is now a US citizen, it's now their responsibility to come here, collect every benefit possible to collapse the system, vote Communist and turn the US into a third world hell hole?

Is that the plan?

Because that sounds like the plan.

Posted by: shibumi at September 08, 2017 01:51 PM (aT+Bx)

71 I'm an Undocumented Mortician.

Posted by: Ed Gein at September 08, 2017 01:51 PM (ismre)

72 I'm very very far from an expert on Orwell, but I seem to remember that he was a full blown socialist (in the Bernie Sanders mold) until the day he died.

He grew to hate the specific brand of Communism that was Stalinism.

I think. I'm probably wrong.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (5IkYA)

I am not sure either, but I did read "Homage to Catalonia", and I definitely came away with that sense.

Meanwhile, the GOPee of today remind me of the Tory Establishment of the 1930's UK, who are sleeping "the deep, deep sleep of England, from which I sometimes fear that we shall never wake till we are jerked out of it by the roar of bombs."

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 01:51 PM (ujg0T)

73 62 I think he did stay socialist but he broke with the communists.

Socialist are also bad people, but they can be kept out of power using the voting box instead of the cartridge box.

Ideally.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2017 01:49 PM (xJa6I)

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Didn't Communists like Stalin and Lenin consider themselves Socialists?

It's like Whack-a-mole with those labels, but I thought most Communists think of themselves as Socialists.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:51 PM (5IkYA)

74 Socialists are simply communists who haven't come out of the closet yet.

Posted by: Marcus T, Reassigned to indirect fire at September 08, 2017 01:51 PM (9xpg1)

75 I find it hysterical I had to prove ten ways from sunday Who I am and that I have all the proof of being a legal born citizen. Yet they can say hey i'm just a poor boy and want to drive so let me.

here i'll vggive you these docs I was sold a couple of weeks ago.

yes I was born ___. and tyeah i'm appx. that age, and i'm a male or female.

so we're good to go!

Posted by: willow at September 08, 2017 01:51 PM (FKrah)

76 Thieves are property liberators.
Murderers are freelance population controllers.
Rapists are unanticipated sex providers.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 01:51 PM (0mRoj)

77 Undocumented Amerifriends.

Posted by: General Tire at September 08, 2017 01:52 PM (ukNFU)

78 He grew to hate the specific brand of Communism that was Stalinism.

-----

So.... he was a *National* Socialist.

Got it.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 08, 2017 01:52 PM (8XRCm)

79 junior bad hombres

Posted by: wth at September 08, 2017 01:52 PM (HgMAr)

80 That means the Turtle will be there. Talk about awkward.

I have visions of McConnell at the back table, right next to the
kitchen door, getting bumped every time a waiter comes in and out.
---

Nah.

He's going to be at tea with the girls, talking about recipes, fashion trends and the Kardashians. It'll be cool.

Posted by: shibumi at September 08, 2017 01:52 PM (aT+Bx)

81 Orwell was one of those guys who was a pretty honest lefty that was able to delude themselves into the ideal even when they rejected the reality. They loved the idea and concept of marxism, not its truth.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 01:52 PM (39g3+)

82 Can I be an undocumented lover of Alessandra Ambrosio?

Posted by: Marcus T, Reassigned to indirect fire at September 08, 2017 01:53 PM (9xpg1)

83 78
So.... he was a *National* Socialist.

Got it.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 08, 2017 01:52 PM (8XRCm)

==========

Didn't he also hate Jews? Or he was a Jew?

Ugh...

I could look this up, you know.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:53 PM (5IkYA)

84 undocumented voters.
undocumented home buyers.
undocumented Medicaid users
undocumented ebt card holders.

must.B.nice.

Posted by: willow at September 08, 2017 01:53 PM (FKrah)

85 Didn't Communists like Stalin and Lenin consider themselves Socialists?

It's like Whack-a-mole with those labels, but I thought most Communists think of themselves as Socialists.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:51 PM (5IkYA)

If you're a socialist, communists are just a label you use to distance yourself from the socialists over there who are doing something which is unpopular. Ideally you use the term Fascist, but people don't always let you get away with that one, so sometimes you have to settle witih communist.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 08, 2017 01:53 PM (KUaJL)

86 Question: If Chicago got rid of their "undocumented citizen" students would their schools have any valedictorians?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Reach for the Stars! Trump-Klingon Dictionaries are at the Outrage Outlet! at September 08, 2017 01:53 PM (hLRSq)

87 56 Emanuel said Chicago schools "will be a Trump-free zone"

Problem is, he isn't holding the cards.
Posted by: Roy at September 08, 2017 01:48 PM (7n4KQ)
-------
Trump: Royal Flush
Rahm: Dead Fish

Posted by: Gg lurking at September 08, 2017 01:53 PM (yUPCi)

88 Undocumented borrower - bank robber.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Reach for the Stars! Trump-Klingon Dictionaries are at the Outrage Outlet! at September 08, 2017 01:54 PM (hLRSq)

89 Open wide and say "Ahh!"

Posted by: Undocumented proctologist at September 08, 2017 01:54 PM (mvenn)

90 73 62 I think he did stay socialist but he broke with the communists.

Socialist are also bad people, but they can be kept out of power using the voting box instead of the cartridge box.

Ideally.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2017 01:49 PM (xJa6I)

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Didn't Communists like Stalin and Lenin consider themselves Socialists?

It's like Whack-a-mole with those labels, but I thought most Communists think of themselves as Socialists.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:51 PM (5IkYA)

Well as wiser men have said, Communism and Fascism are both heresies of Socialism. They have a lot in common, regarding the power of the state over the individual.

Private property, religious freedom, classism and some other differences separate them. But they are all creatures of the Left.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2017 01:54 PM (xJa6I)

91 Mikey..amen

Posted by: willow at September 08, 2017 01:54 PM (FKrah)

92 "Resident Interlopers"

Posted by: kallisto at September 08, 2017 01:54 PM (53MZt)

93 85 If you're a socialist, communists are just a label you use to distance yourself from the socialists over there who are doing something which is unpopular. Ideally you use the term Fascist, but people don't always let you get away with that one, so sometimes you have to settle witih communist.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 08, 2017 01:53 PM (KUaJL)

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Yeah, I always saw the different labels as a tribal thing, not really a significant ideological thing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:54 PM (5IkYA)

94
Rahm Emmanuel needs to be in prison. I'd love to see the Feds toss that demented dwarf in jail

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 08, 2017 01:54 PM (493sH)

95 According to Katherine Mangu-Ward (Reason editor) citizenship is meaningless. So...why even make a passing reference to them being citizens at all?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 08, 2017 01:54 PM (W+vEI)

96 81 Orwell was one of those guys who was a pretty honest lefty that was able to delude themselves into the ideal even when they rejected the reality. They loved the idea and concept of marxism, not its truth.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 01:52 PM (39g3+)

maybe, but from "Homage to Catalonia" and some other works, I really did get the impression that he was wising up by the time tuberculosis took him away too soon. I could see him as the First Neocon.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 01:55 PM (ujg0T)

97 I am Kate Upton's undocumented wife

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 01:55 PM (39g3+)

98 I think I have this right.

1. President Obama had the power to start the DACA program even though the Constitution gives power immigration to congress.

2. The Mayor of Chicago is bestowing citizenship - just without the paperwork.

3. President Trump does NOT have the power to end the DACA program started by President Obama.

Are the underpants gnomes involved in this somewhere?

Posted by: JB1000, EAJ at September 08, 2017 01:55 PM (16OL0)

99 Undocumented borrower - bank robber.

Undocumented Bank Examiner

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 01:55 PM (LTHVh)

100 We're undocumented tenants.

Sincerely,

Posted by: The People Trapped in Harry Reid's Crawlspace at September 08, 2017 01:55 PM (Ndje9)

101 They're not aliens. They're humans.

They're "Non-U.S.-citizen humans residing in the United States."

Posted by: Zod at September 08, 2017 01:55 PM (Bdeb0)

102 Remember, the AP is the basic building block of most "news" (along with the other wires, the NYT Service, and Bloomberg). It's everywhere. It is the basis of almost everything that ace reacts to, it's the link behind every headline on Drudge, it fills the unread papers, it underlies TV "news".

The distortion, as some have been droning on for some time, is fundamental, it's total, it's ubiquitous.

This is why most people you know are unbelievably mis- and un-informed, dumbed down, etc. They rely on the "news".

And while it might happen some day, we're not within a light year of "alternative" info sources shifting the starting point of all discussions back towards reality.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2017 01:55 PM (QDnY+)

103 90
Private property, religious freedom, classism and some other differences separate them. But they are all creatures of the Left.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2017 01:54 PM (xJa6I)

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I prefer the term Statism.

It's all encompassing in everything I hate in political ideologies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:55 PM (5IkYA)

104 Undocumented marathon race winner!!!

Posted by: Rosie Ruiz at September 08, 2017 01:55 PM (mvenn)

105 9 So, they lost their SSN cards?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:42 PM (5IkYA)
__________________

No amigo, we still have them.

They just have your and your friends' names on them.

Posted by: Illegal aliens, er . . . undocumented citizens at September 08, 2017 01:55 PM (BXf9o)

106 Unfinished bag of dicks suckers.

Posted by: AP at September 08, 2017 01:56 PM (tbOMB)

107 I'm sure it would be pretty easy to get them Mexican documents, their being citizens and all.

Posted by: geoffb5 at September 08, 2017 01:56 PM (zOpu5)

108 embrace their culture, and call them "mojados"...

of course, they get really mad when i call them "basura" to their face, but IDGAF.

"cerotes" is another good one, especially since that is what mexicans call people from el salvador to begin with.

Posted by: redc1c4, who is out of GAS at September 08, 2017 01:56 PM (ifaj+)

109 86 Question: If Chicago got rid of their "undocumented citizen" students would their schools have any valedictorians?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Reach for the Stars! Trump-Klingon Dictionaries are at the Outrage Outlet! at September 08, 2017 01:53 PM (hLRSq)

if any Boat People and their descendents found their way to Chitown, sure. But otherwise......

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 01:56 PM (ujg0T)

110 And in other news, 5000 or so "undocumented residents" of NH voted in 2016, which likely resulted in the Hillary state win and the Dem Senator.

But what's the big deal, it's just a paperwork/documentation SNAFU, amitite?!?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 08, 2017 01:56 PM (W+vEI)

111 Orwell was a democratic socialist (like Bernie) who hated any form of totalitarianism.

While he was brilliant in many ways, Orwell couldn't get Hayek's simple argument that socialism is always totalitarian, and often extremely so.

"Democratic socialism" has the veneer that's it's all fair because people get to vote.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 08, 2017 01:56 PM (SIY7D)

112 TJM . Many thanks for putting up the Movie Thread, it's a welcome addition.

Posted by: kallisto at September 08, 2017 01:57 PM (53MZt)

113 undocumented landscape architects

Posted by: wth at September 08, 2017 01:57 PM (HgMAr)

114 I believe any americans should go to both borders and demand free health care. free food , free housing.
and the right to vote us more .

because if it's considered fair it should be 4 squared fair

Posted by: willow at September 08, 2017 01:57 PM (FKrah)

115 Orwell wrote Animal Farm as an indictment of how the ideals of Socialism were being perverted by those in power. It wasn't an indictment of Socialism itself, but rather how bad men were misusing it for their own ends.

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at September 08, 2017 01:57 PM (eytER)

116 I want to know: What FEDERAL fucking laws am I --a born and raised American --allowed to break with no consequences?!!

Oh, none?

So: I am a second-class person in my own mutherfucking country?!!

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 08, 2017 01:57 PM (/9uFC)

117 70 So, if everyone is now a US citizen, it's now their responsibility to come here, collect every benefit possible to collapse the system, vote Communist and turn the US into a third world hell hole?

Is that the plan?

Because that sounds like the plan.
Posted by: shibumi at September 08, 2017 01:51 PM (aT+Bx)
------
Yes. They put a whole in their boat and it's sinking, so now they come here and put a hole in our boat so we sink too. B/c that is only fair. And...White Supremacy!

Posted by: Gg lurking at September 08, 2017 01:57 PM (yUPCi)

118 They aren't undocumented. They have documents, that they stole from Americans.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 08, 2017 01:57 PM (7ZVPa)

119 110 And in other news, 5000 or so "undocumented residents" of NH voted in 2016, which likely resulted in the Hillary state win and the Dem Senator.

But what's the big deal, it's just a paperwork/documentation SNAFU, amitite?!?
Posted by: Lizzy at September 08, 2017 01:56 PM (W+vEI)

==============

"Vote fraud is a myth and if you think otherwise you're an unperson and deserve whatever happens to you."
-Antifa (storming Normandy beach)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:58 PM (5IkYA)

120 4 Can I walk in to AP headquarters and start sending out stories as an 'undocumented employee?'

Heh! This is a GREAT idea. Then you can sue them for not providing a "Living Wage"!

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 08, 2017 01:58 PM (KGDBl)

121 Easy - just send them back to their home country to get their papers and documentation.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 08, 2017 01:58 PM (YV+SU)

122
1) Invent Anti-Gravity
2) ???
3) Profit

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 01:58 PM (LTHVh)

123 Last week: Illegal aliens
Yesterday: Undocumented aliens
Today: Undocumented citizens
Tomorrow: Americans
Next week: Brahmin-Americans
Next month: Heat death of the universe

Posted by: Zod at September 08, 2017 01:58 PM (Bdeb0)

124 As a couple others have said: undocumented voters.

Voter ID is inherently unfair to them.

Posted by: Crispian at September 08, 2017 01:58 PM (wbYF0)

125 96 81 Orwell was one of those guys who was a pretty honest lefty that was able to delude themselves into the ideal even when they rejected the reality. They loved the idea and concept of marxism, not its truth.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2017 01:52 PM (39g3+)

maybe, but from "Homage to Catalonia" and some other works, I really did get the impression that he was wising up by the time tuberculosis took him away too soon. I could see him as the First Neocon.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 01:55 PM (ujg0T)

Orwell is the classic 'liberal who got mugged by reality'. In many ways, he say things very clearly about where Communism and classism led.

I think like many English Libs, he got seduced by the idea of 'fairness' and 'justice' but he saw what happened first hand when humans tried to create paradise on earth: bloodbath.

Gone soon, but he accomplished two great literary works before he went. Not a bad end.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2017 01:58 PM (xJa6I)

126 110 - how was the fraud discovered?

Posted by: kallisto at September 08, 2017 01:58 PM (53MZt)

127 Yup.

Just like I'm Jennifer Annistons undocumented boytoy.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 08, 2017 01:45 PM (8XRCm)

But but but dat's my yob amigo.

Posted by: Jose Ole at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (R5lpX)

128 112 TJM . Many thanks for putting up the Movie Thread, it's a welcome addition.
Posted by: kallisto at September 08, 2017 01:57 PM (53MZt)

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You're welcome.

Now...I should probably finish this week's...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (5IkYA)

129 "Democratic socialism" has the veneer that's it's all fair because people get to vote.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 08, 2017 01:56 PM (SIY7D)

IIRC, someone wise defined "Democratic" socialism as two wolves and one sheep voting about what's on the menu.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (ujg0T)

130 I will refer to Journalists as Sanitation Planners .

Posted by: Jack Sock at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (r8Hiq)

131 Public Service Announcement:

Do not purchase the new Barilla Ready Pasta (pre-cooked.) It is horrible. Rubbery. Yuck.

Posted by: Still Hungry IrishEi at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (HiDrR)

132

if they can rename, so can we

"criminals"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (fceHP)

133 The People's Republic of Germany declines the US request for the loan of a thousand tons of steel.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (LTHVh)

134 111
"Democratic socialism" has the veneer that's it's all fair because people get to vote.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 08, 2017 01:56 PM (SIY7D)

============

"totally"
-Venezuela

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (5IkYA)

135 Chicago is suing the Trump administration over its policy of withholding public safety grants.

The little turd said Chicago would come up with $80 million for providing security at schools. I wonder where they'll get that from? He just hit people with another massive property tax increase to try to fill the massive short fall in teachers' pension funds. But the brainless liberal assholes and FSA will keep voting Rahm and his ilk into office every time no matter how much he screws them over

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (493sH)

136 Neo-Aztecs.

Posted by: Zod at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (Bdeb0)

137 The AP is full of well-documented propagandists.

Posted by: Meremortal at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (3myMJ)

138 Ooops. Couldn't sneak that one by. Better luck next time,
"The Associated Press incorrectly identified the students who could be affected. They are living in the country illegally, not "undocumented citizens".

Posted by: tu3031 at September 08, 2017 02:00 PM (O5Q3r)

139 The bottom line is if nothing is done to alter our current immigration system that skews overwhelmingly to the third world and "developing" and not re-orient toward the first world and the Anglosphere the white majority of the country will be the minority in perhaps 20 years maybe less...

And then it's over.

Which will suck but ironically it will probably be a lot worse for black people.

Because when black people start making noises at our new brown and yellow overlords, boy are they going to be shocked at the response.

Posted by: Kreplach at September 08, 2017 02:00 PM (2JcMg)

140 >>Last week: Illegal aliens

Yesterday: Undocumented aliens

Today: Undocumented citizens

Tomorrow: Americans

Next week: Brahmin-Americans

Next month: Heat death of the universe

Uh, you forgot the part where they are more American than you and me, serving in the military and graduating at the top of their class 'n whatnot.

Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at September 08, 2017 02:00 PM (W+vEI)

141

The undocumented racists keep pouring over the border...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 08, 2017 02:00 PM (fceHP)

142 It wasn't an indictment of Socialism itself, but rather how bad men were misusing it for their own ends.

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at September 08, 2017 01:57 PM (eytER)

Not so much "BAD men" as just "men," which IS the indictment of socialism.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at September 08, 2017 02:00 PM (tbOMB)

143 Off to lunch, have undocumented fun, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at September 08, 2017 02:00 PM (xJa6I)

144 1 So is everybody in the world now a US citizen? Talk about diverse!
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at September 08, 2017 01:39 PM (zsUWe)

That would make the entire world US territory, no?

Posted by: rickl at September 08, 2017 02:00 PM (xjiRE)

145 An interesting aside - I just talked to a rep at a major computer disaster recovery service provider for a project I am working, and wanted to get some information. The rep said that they were busy, all hands on deck, companies in Florida all declaring disaster ALREADY.

Interesting.

Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2017 02:01 PM (8ZHdq)

146 There was a great flashback clip in my feed today showing how Hillary said illegal immigrant children should be sent back.

Crap. Maybe she was the Manchurian Candidate and we missed it.

Posted by: Marcus T, Reassigned to indirect fire at September 08, 2017 02:01 PM (9xpg1)

147 I looked up the particulars on "Solorio Academy High School".

The article says it's one-third "undocumented citizens".

Ethnically it's 93.3% Hispanic. 4.6% black. 1.4% white.

A whopping 24.8% of its end-of-course pupils meet the minimum statewide standard for proficiency in "English Language Arts", a subject which one must assume bears some remote resemblance to English.

97% of the student body are receiving free or discounted lunch.

America's semiliterate dolebird future, ladies and gentlemen.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2017 02:01 PM (ujwCG)

148 Roy -

"Emanuel said Chicago schools "will be a Trump-free zone"

Problem is, he isn't holding the cards."

He isn't? Sketch for me the current, or known anticipated actions, of the Trump administration that will mean he isn't holding the cards (just like every other lawless jurisdiction in the country).

And getting rid of gang members and violent criminals will do zip nada zilch to affect the dynamic that is transforming American communities with non-assimilating migrants, and will only highlight the greater lawlessness that is now simply part of the landscape.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2017 02:01 PM (QDnY+)

149 131 Public Service Announcement:

Do not purchase the new Barilla Ready Pasta (pre-cooked.) It is horrible. Rubbery. Yuck.

Posted by: Still Hungry IrishEi at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (HiDrR)

============

Remember when the CEO of Barilla said that they would never feature a gay couple in advertising and the left had a conniption fit?

I remember one guy asking what charity to send the $1.31 he spent on the pasta to make up for his sin of buying it in the first place.

Ah...the miseries of a politicized life.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:01 PM (5IkYA)

150 The AP's multi-topic structure has resulted in web portals such as Yahoo and MSN posting its articles, often relying on AP as their first source for news coverage of breaking news items. This and the constant updating evolving stories require has had a major impact on the AP's public image and role, giving new credence to the AP's ongoing mission of having staff for covering every area of news fully and promptly. The AP is also the news service used on the Wii's News Channel. In 2007, Google announced that it was paying to receive Associated Press content, to be displayed in Google News

wiki

Posted by: willow at September 08, 2017 02:01 PM (FKrah)

151 Undocumented Citizen
Law abiding Criminal
Promiscuous virgin
Celibate whore
Honest Democrat

Posted by: Jack Sock at September 08, 2017 02:02 PM (r8Hiq)

152 Ladies, that asshole who felt you up in the bar last weekend wasn't a sexually-assaulting creep. He was an undocumented physician.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 08, 2017 02:02 PM (KUaJL)

153 139 The bottom line is if nothing is done to alter our current immigration system that skews overwhelmingly to the third world and "developing" and not re-orient toward the first world and the Anglosphere the white majority of the country will be the minority in perhaps 20 years maybe less...

And then it's over.

Which will suck but ironically it will probably be a lot worse for black people.

Because when black people start making noises at our new brown and yellow overlords, boy are they going to be shocked at the response.
Posted by: Kreplach at September 08, 2017 02:00 PM (2JcMg)

Sadly yes. And I say this as someone who married into a "yellow" family, who mindlessly still vote for Demunists even though it should be painfully obvious that they are next on the Left's target list. I had hoped K-Town Los Angeles 1992 taught them something, but no.....

"First they came for the white males....."

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 02:02 PM (ujg0T)

154 I'm an underfunded billionaire.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 08, 2017 02:02 PM (oVJmc)

155 Maybe the Trump administration should do what was common during the previous administration - take multiple busloads of criminal illegal aliens and drop them off. Only this time, in Malibu, Beserkley, or Chicago instead of small towns in OK or TX.

Posted by: East Valley AZ at September 08, 2017 02:02 PM (PbH71)

156 Chicago Public Schools.... there's a hole where all the money goes... administrators... livin' large... Chicago, the kleptocracy.

Posted by: kraken at September 08, 2017 02:03 PM (zSVEm)

157

remember an islamic extremist terror attack was not that

and the weather is not that either

this is what they spend their time on, slowly moving the needle on every part of our lives and even our vernacular and literature

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 08, 2017 02:03 PM (fceHP)

158 The People's Republic of Germany declines the US request for the loan of a thousand tons of steel.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (LTHVh)
...........

I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a thousand tons of steel today.

Posted by: U.S. Treasury at September 08, 2017 02:03 PM (HgMAr)

159 Ladies, that asshole who felt you up in the bar last
weekend wasn't a sexually-assaulting creep. He was an undocumented
physician.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 08, 2017 02:02 PM

Would you happen to know his name?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Sandra Flook at September 08, 2017 02:03 PM (ctuyM)

160 A young American citizen can't sell lemonade in her own driveway without "documents" but....

Posted by: Meremortal at September 08, 2017 02:03 PM (3myMJ)

161 so are classrooms states rights according to the left or Feds as with common core?

rahm stated Trump free zone re; schools?
and do they receive federal funding?

Posted by: willow at September 08, 2017 02:03 PM (FKrah)

162 Wouldn't be more accurate to call them Latino Supremists?

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 08, 2017 02:04 PM (YV+SU)

163 Most of the countries of Europe are Democratic Socialist, to some degree. High taxes impede new household formation. Boys often don't become men. Women don't want traditional roles. So you have low birth rates -- for native Germans it's lower than Japan's.

Ergo, democratic socialism leads to demographic death spirals. It's Science!

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 08, 2017 02:04 PM (SIY7D)

164 The left can't call me a science denier for disagreeing with global warming any more. Because I'm an undocumented climatologist.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 08, 2017 02:04 PM (KUaJL)

165 Undocumented TSA Agent

Posted by: Bill Clinton at September 08, 2017 02:04 PM (tbOMB)

166 I'm very very far from an expert on Orwell, but I seem to remember that he was a full blown socialist (in the Bernie Sanders mold) until the day he died.

He grew to hate the specific brand of Communism that was Stalinism.

I think. I'm probably wrong.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (5IkYA)

Orwell died pretty young. Conservative Brit writer Paul Johnson wrote that it is possible that Orwell (and Albert Camus) would have moved rightward had they lived, because they were one thing the left is not - ruthlessly honest.

People normally don't have overnight conversions. There were many people of Orwell's generation who went from Commie to anti-Stalinist and ended up on the right. But it took them a long time to get there. I was just a run-of-the mill lib and it took me about 4 or 5 years to go conservative. It's a difficult process. Paul Johnson also started out on the Left.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 08, 2017 02:04 PM (ZM2xo)

167 163 Most of the countries of Europe are Democratic Socialist, to some degree. High taxes impede new household formation. Boys often don't become men. Women don't want traditional roles. So you have low birth rates -- for native Germans it's lower than Japan's.

Ergo, democratic socialism leads to demographic death spirals. It's Science!
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 08, 2017 02:04 PM (SIY7D)

hence, the need to import a new underclass of proles for the Demunist party elites to oversee.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 02:05 PM (ujg0T)

168 88 Undocumented borrower - bank robber.
________________

Murderer: undocumented post-birth abortion provider

Embezzlement: undocumented asset transfers

Tax evasion: undocumented social justice activism

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 08, 2017 02:05 PM (BXf9o)

169
I hope willow doesn't buy any weed from an 'undocumented pharmacist'.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at September 08, 2017 02:05 PM (EgwCt)

170 Promiscuous virgin
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 08, 2017 02:02 PM

You say that like it's a Bad Thing.

Posted by: Madonna at September 08, 2017 02:05 PM (ctuyM)

171 Unmurdered target.

Posted by: Chicago Resident at September 08, 2017 02:05 PM (tbOMB)

172 163 Most of the countries of Europe are Democratic Socialist, to some degree. High taxes impede new household formation. Boys often don't become men. Women don't want traditional roles. So you have low birth rates -- for native Germans it's lower than Japan's.

Ergo, democratic socialism leads to demographic death spirals. It's Science!
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 08, 2017 02:04 PM (SIY7D)

==============

"People before profits, comrade. Also humanity is a disease and must be exterminated before we destroy the Earth. Also, Trump is a hateful person who wants to see people die. Why no, I have never thought these things in a row before and I see no problem with them."
-Very smart college student who is now in gender studies learning how to get more women in STEM after dropping out of a Mechanical Engineering program

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:05 PM (5IkYA)

173 Slo-mo suicide... Federal social policy... oddly enough, the legal immigrants will get steamrolled by the backlash... typical Progressive destruction.

Posted by: kraken at September 08, 2017 02:06 PM (zSVEm)

174 162 Wouldn't be more accurate to call them Latino Supremists?
_________________

Or you could just call them "La Raza" for short.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 08, 2017 02:06 PM (BXf9o)

175 I'm an undocumented New Presdient of the United States,
why should I have to campaign , study, or get financing to hold the office?
I want it.
that's it.
end of discussion.

also undocumented owner of AP
so pony up

Posted by: willow at September 08, 2017 02:06 PM (FKrah)

176 When Whoa Fat hits us with an EMP attack will his unintended consequence be that he delivered us from evil?

Posted by: I'm a Dreamer at September 08, 2017 02:06 PM (vI+F1)

177 About 3/4 of the students in my town's elementary school are undocumented citizens. They are not permanent residents of the town either---they come here for dirt cheap winter rentals. Where they go in the summer, I have no idea.

My school taxes are approximately $4,000 of my total tax bill.

Posted by: IrishEi at September 08, 2017 02:07 PM (HiDrR)

178
162 Wouldn't be more accurate to call them Latino Supremists?
Posted by: Puddin Head

From my Feb. 2106 report of an anti-Trump rally:

"Welcome to Aztlan: Rise of the Brown Power Movement

The pushback from left-wing Hispanic activists against Trump's proposal to build a wall along the U.S./Mexico border has been swift and intense. A common strategy, as seen here, is to not merely criticize the wall, but to take the most extreme counter-position: To insist that the entire southwestern United States is actually part of Mexico, and that therefore all "white" people need to be deported from what is really Mexican territory. "Aztlan," for those who don't know, is the mythological homeland of the Aztecs, similar to "The Garden of Eden" in Judeo-Christian belief. Setting aside the obvious likelihood that Aztlan is almost certainly fictional — that is, not a physical place, but a myth — even the few spots proposed as possible historical locations for Aztlan are all well within the borders of modern Mexico. It was not scholars but Chicano activists who in recent years latched onto the term "Aztlan" and redefined it as "territory now in the United States which at any point in the past was controlled by Spain or Mexico" — in other words, what we now call "the Southwest," including California and Texas.

So when you see signs at anti-Trump rallies mentioning "Aztlan" -- and there were plenty of them at this one — remember that it's a reference to "the Reconquista," i.e. support for the "reconquering" of lands ceded by Spain and Mexico to the United States during the 19th century, and (to put it in blunt terms) expelling all non-Hispanics from California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Texas.

Several members of the paramilitary wing of the Aztlan/Reconquista movement, formerly known as "the Brown Berets" but apparently recently rebranded as "La Causa," patrolled the rally.

One of the Brown Beret dudes kept apparently trying to goad white police officers into a physical confrontation by approaching them as closely and as menacingly as possible, but the cops stoically remained stone-faced and did not react to his provocations.

All of this is part of the "Brown Power" movement, as some protesters at the rally called it."

With accompanying photos:

http://www.zombietime.com/inside_the_anti-trump_circus/

Posted by: zombie at September 08, 2017 02:07 PM (DQ4Fv)

179 The 9/11 hijackers weren't terrorists. They were undocumented demolitioneers.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 08, 2017 02:07 PM (KUaJL)

180 undocumented MS-13 member

Posted by: wth at September 08, 2017 02:07 PM (HgMAr)

181 >>166 I'm very very far from an expert on Orwell, but I seem to remember that he was a full blown socialist (in the Bernie Sanders mold) until the day he died. I think. I'm probably wrong. Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 01:47 PM (5IkYA)

Hitchens' "Why Orwell Is Important" is a good place to start for those ready to accept that the left-right spectrum is somewhat anachronistic (people who see that Trump doesn't really fit on it). Orwell--at least by my reading--was too curious and intelligent to easily be pigeonholed as one or the other. Good book--recommended.

Posted by: Zod at September 08, 2017 02:07 PM (Bdeb0)

182 Orwell died pretty young. Conservative Brit writer Paul Johnson wrote that it is possible that Orwell (and Albert Camus) would have moved rightward had they lived, because they were one thing the left is not - ruthlessly honest.

People normally don't have overnight conversions. There were many people of Orwell's generation who went from Commie to anti-Stalinist and ended up on the right. But it took them a long time to get there. I was just a run-of-the mill lib and it took me about 4 or 5 years to go conservative. It's a difficult process. Paul Johnson also started out on the Left.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 08, 2017 02:04 PM (ZM2xo)

Arguably, after enduring insults from Sartre, and then pointing out what a phony commie blowhard and asshole Sartre was, along with his bitch wife Simone deBeauvoir, Camus might have made it to Neocon. The man who declared that James Dean's death in a car crash was the most absurd way to die, then a few years later died in a car crash.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 02:07 PM (ujg0T)

183 Rahm Emmanuel needs to be in prison. I'd love to see the Feds toss that demented dwarf in jail

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 08, 2017 01:54 PM (493sH)

"Never let a crisis go to waste." - Rahm Emmanuel

"Rahm, you miniscule bastard! I read your book!" - Donald Trump

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Reach for the Stars! Trump-Klingon Dictionaries are at the Outrage Outlet! at September 08, 2017 02:07 PM (hLRSq)

184 slippery nope, it was bought straight from a taxed shop.

so i'm good, I'm helping giving my fair share to govt.

in all things

Posted by: willow at September 08, 2017 02:07 PM (FKrah)

185 My Direst Ancestor.... who not only has the same name as my Father, and my Son...

But also served at Valley Forge....

Is rolling in his grave in Virginia...

Posted by: Don Q. at September 08, 2017 02:07 PM (NgKpN)

186 Who gives a shit what Tiny Dancer has to say? His city is falling apart at the seams. Middle class taxpayers can't get out of Illinois fast enough while illegals who are tax burdens move in. Illinois can't even pay off lottery winners any more.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 08, 2017 02:07 PM (ZM2xo)

187 "The AP is full of well-documented propagandists."

To include AP's prolific "science writer" Seth Borenstein.

A bachelor's degree in journalism, no STEM training whatsoever beyond presumably a few physics-for-poets undergrad breadth courses, and a perfectly reliable press mouthpiece for the lefty climatariat.

http://tinyurl.com/zrbnp7s

Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2017 02:07 PM (ujwCG)

188 The gang wars will be epic.

Posted by: wth at September 08, 2017 02:08 PM (HgMAr)

189 BTW... interesting interview with Dick Morris over at Gateway Pundit.

Posted by: shibumi at September 08, 2017 02:08 PM (aT+Bx)

190 When Whoa Fat hits us with an EMP attack will his unintended consequence be that he delivered us from evil?

Posted by: I'm a Dreamer at September 08, 2017 02:06 PM (vI+F1)

If he were to nuke Shitcago or any other big blue city shithole, I'd send him a fruit basket.

Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 02:08 PM (Jcg9Q)

191 Promiscuous virgin
Posted by: Jack Sock at September 08, 2017 02:02 PM

You say that like it's a Bad Thing.
Posted by: Madonna

She's had her cherry pushed so far back, it looks like a tail light.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 08, 2017 02:08 PM (+Q7pl)

192 147 I looked up the particulars on "Solorio Academy High School".

The article says it's one-third "undocumented citizens".

Ethnically it's 93.3% Hispanic. 4.6% black. 1.4% white.

A whopping 24.8% of its end-of-course pupils meet the minimum statewide standard for proficiency in "English Language Arts", a subject which one must assume bears some remote resemblance to English.

97% of the student body are receiving free or discounted lunch.

America's semiliterate dolebird future, ladies and gentlemen.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2017 02:01 PM (ujwCG)

When people say that the "dreamers" are just as American as you, are they saying that the average American speaks English with a thick Spanish accent and is functionally illiterate in English too?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 02:08 PM (IWbvi)

193 My understanding of the terms.

Fascism - Socialism with Italian Nationalism - Bad!

Nazism - Socialism with German Nationalism - Very Bad!

Maoism - Socialism with Chinese Nationalism - Sorta Bad!

Castroism - Socialism with Cuban Nationalism -
Good!

Cheism - Socialism with a weird cult-like vibe -
Cool as liquid nitrogen until you hit thirty and the T-shirt wears out.

Chavesism -Socialism with Venezuelan Nationalism - Shut up, we are not talking about that anymore.

Posted by: JB1000, EAJ at September 08, 2017 02:08 PM (16OL0)

194 Ethnically it's 93.3% Hispanic. 4.6% black. 1.4% white.

A whopping 24.8% of its end-of-course pupils meet the minimum statewide standard for proficiency in "English Language Arts", a subject which one must assume bears some remote resemblance to English.

97% of the student body are receiving free or discounted lunch.

America's semiliterate dolebird future, ladies and gentlemen.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2017 02:01 PM (ujwCG)

Yup, the are uneducated and utterly useless to society and will expect a handout for life and everything is our fault. Perfect little Democrats

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 08, 2017 02:08 PM (493sH)

195 Any friend I have who immigrated legally to our country despises these people. After having gone through the process they call them line cutters. And nobody like a line cutter.

Some of those from Spanish speaking countries find them particularly loathsome because it's creating a false impression they are not hard working, patriotic or law abiding. That really sticks in the craw of guys who are vets.

They may empathize to a certain degree. But they still loath the special treatment these people claim they deserve. In their eyes they deserve zero.

ItS occurred to me more than once the only people supporting this are the law breakers and their white liberal overlords who want their votes to make this country a liberal utopia.

Posted by: Marcus T, Reassigned to indirect fire at September 08, 2017 02:09 PM (9xpg1)

196
If they're "citizens," what does that make me? I suspect not "royalty" as logic would dictate. These not being logical times at all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 08, 2017 02:09 PM (mbhDw)

197 193 My understanding of the terms.

Fascism - Socialism with Italian Nationalism - Bad!

Nazism - Socialism with German Nationalism - Very Bad!

Maoism - Socialism with Chinese Nationalism - Sorta Bad!

Castroism - Socialism with Cuban Nationalism -
Good!

Cheism - Socialism with a weird cult-like vibe -
Cool as liquid nitrogen until you hit thirty and the T-shirt wears out.

Chavesism -Socialism with Venezuelan Nationalism - Shut up, we are not talking about that anymore.
Posted by: JB1000, EAJ at September 08, 2017 02:08 PM (16OL0)

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Do we just not talk about Stalinism, Leninism, or Trotskyism anymore?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:09 PM (5IkYA)

198 Folks, check out this 2006 Jetta. It's an Undocumented Audi!

Posted by: Car Salesman in a Plaid Jacket at September 08, 2017 02:10 PM (ismre)

199 If they're "citizens," what does that make me? I suspect not "royalty" as logic would dictate. These not being logical times at all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 08, 2017 02:09 PM (mbhDw)

---

Unindited raycist oppressor, duh.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at September 08, 2017 02:10 PM (hMwEB)

200
Tune in, turn on, leave the last comment on a thread.

Posted by: Slippery Slope Salesman at September 08, 2017 02:10 PM (EgwCt)

201 ps: Don't believe that exercise band-story. That was us.

Help!

Posted by: The Undocumented Tenants Trapped in Harry Reid's Crawlspace at September 08, 2017 02:10 PM (Ndje9)

202 The Dreamers are actual Dem dream voters: mostly govt dependent, semi-educated , not particularity attached to the country and unaware and indifferent to its history. Maybe that is what their enablers really mean.

Posted by: Ripley at September 08, 2017 02:10 PM (MxEKc)

203 "I'd love to see the Feds toss that demented dwarf in jail"

He and that evil homonculous Robert "The One-Third" Reich as cellmates. The warden could put them both in the same broom closet without any lawsuits about prison overcrowding.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2017 02:11 PM (ujwCG)

204 197 Posted by: JB1000, EAJ at September 08, 2017 02:08 PM (16OL0)

One "ism" you forgot. Jism.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 08, 2017 02:11 PM (mbhDw)

205 I prefer to think of them as America's JV team, bitches.

Posted by: Fritz at September 08, 2017 02:11 PM (2Mnv1)

206 Chicago and IL will go broke. It's just a question of when.

Then the shit will get real.

Trump can peel off some minority Deplorables, or get them to stay home on election day, the more they realize that they'll suffer the most from continued illegal immigration.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 08, 2017 02:11 PM (SIY7D)

207

Bill Clinton meets Loretta Lynch on a tarmac.

Undocumented rendezvous.

oh wait...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 08, 2017 02:11 PM (fceHP)

208 195 Any friend I have who immigrated legally to our country despises these people.

--

yeah, that's me.

I can't stand them

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at September 08, 2017 02:11 PM (hMwEB)

209 anyway I believe when you get ebt, or Medicaid you have documents.

turn on the lights? documents
sign a lease...

get a yob?

of course false documents but to AP that means no real documents.

so I guess they are right.

Posted by: willow at September 08, 2017 02:12 PM (FKrah)

210 131 Posted by: Still Hungry IrishEi at September 08, 2017 01:59 PM (HiDrR)

Girl WTF are you doing? Thought you were going protein & healthy fats for at least 2 weeks to heal your gut up. Might want to try tossing in the kefir too.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 02:12 PM (hscyr)

211 "192 147 I looked up the particulars on "Solorio Academy High School".

The article says it's one-third "undocumented citizens".

Ethnically it's 93.3% Hispanic. 4.6% black. 1.4% white. "

Yes, and we all know how there are an overwhelming amount of opportunities for black children in Chicago who happen to be citizens. So you know, give those opportunities to people who aren't citizens.

It's not like that would make a difference- right?

Posted by: Marcus T, Reassigned to indirect fire at September 08, 2017 02:12 PM (9xpg1)

212 Ah...the miseries of a politicized life.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:01 PM
~~~~~

Huh! I missed that one. But I'm not a big fan of the regular Barilla pasta either, so I probably won't be supporting them anyway. Girl's gotta eat ya know.

Posted by: IrishEi at September 08, 2017 02:12 PM (HiDrR)

213 So a bank robbery is an undocumented withdrawal?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 08, 2017 02:12 PM (dnWSK)

214 Who gives a shit what Tiny Dancer has to say? His city is falling apart at the seams. Middle class taxpayers can't get out of Illinois fast enough while illegals who are tax burdens move in. Illinois can't even pay off lottery winners any more.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at September 08, 2017 02:07 PM (ZM2xo)

Rahm just hit documented citizens with a yuge property tax increase because the teachers' pension fund is broke again. Crook County's sugar tax is killing what's left of businesses. Everything the left touches it destroys. But what's most annoying are the idiots who will blindly vote for them every time no matter how much they're hurting them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 08, 2017 02:12 PM (493sH)

215 Back to work.

BBL.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 08, 2017 02:13 PM (mbhDw)

216 206 Chicago and IL will go broke. It's just a question of when.

Then the shit will get real.

Trump can peel off some minority Deplorables, or get them to stay home on election day, the more they realize that they'll suffer the most from continued illegal immigration.
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 08, 2017 02:11 PM (SIY7D)

============

If you think different parts of the Democratic Party hate each other now, just wait until they're fighting over a dying carcass as their only lifeblood.

It will be glorious in some ways.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:13 PM (5IkYA)

217 Orwell was one of those guys who was a pretty honest lefty that was able to delude themselves into the ideal even when they rejected the reality. They loved the idea and concept of marxism, not its truth.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I always saw him as someone who, having seen the fruits of socialism, was struggling with cognitive dissonance. He just couldn't reconcile the hope and promise of socialism, something he bought into hook, line and sinker, with what he saw when the rubber met the road.

I can forgive the early socialists for buying in. It's a seductive philosophy that suggests if we order society with purposeful intention, we can create a society far superior to our current one where society spontaneously orders itself.

But, come on! After a century of proven failure every single time it's put into play, why can't these people get over it?

I'm left to believe it's because they know it's a fraud but a brilliant shortcut to power.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at September 08, 2017 02:14 PM (+Tibp)

218 When people say that the "dreamers" are just as American as you, are they saying that the average American speaks English with a thick Spanish accent and is functionally illiterate in English too?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 02:08 PM (IWbvi)

Or welcome to every damn day in Central California....

Posted by: Don Q. at September 08, 2017 02:15 PM (NgKpN)

219 Chicago is (apparently) the capital of US Communism, going back to Valerie Jarrett's commie daddy, and Obama's commie mentor who hooked him up with Jarrett. Add in Alinsky, SDS, The Boss Mayor Daly ...

On the Republican side we have the Chicago School of Economics, which despite some merit, divorced America from the corporate world and told us only profit matters. So the "neo-cons" kicked out the America First types and preached "Globalist Free Trade" will save US, the world will become "capitalist". And they are loyal Never-Trumpers to this day, anti-Americanism, and "corporate America" came to rule the White House in the name of international banking laws as sovereign over American sovereignty.
(and that is exactly why too big to fail/jail walk free with trillions in frauds, as America the old country drowns in debt)

prosperousamerica.org/china_and_the_concept_of_leverage

Posted by: illiniwek at September 08, 2017 02:16 PM (yKAUL)

220 Chicago and IL will go broke. It's just a question of when.

They're already broke. Illinois just borrowed $6 billion to pay off the stack of unpaid bills it has. How will it pay off the debt? Illinois also recently raised the corporate and individual tax rate which will only lead to more people leaving the state. Oh and the jagoff "Republican" governor made Illinois a santcuary state

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 08, 2017 02:16 PM (493sH)

221 The Progressive Elite are always the Grandees, living above the fray, a life of privilege and unaccountability.

They have high security, comfortable dachas, private schools, hospitals, transportation.

All of this is always true, in any form of Socialism.

The rest of us will inevitably be fighting over canned Spam and white bread if things play out the way the Elites have it planned.

Viva' la Revolucion!!!

Posted by: kraken at September 08, 2017 02:16 PM (zSVEm)

222 IL declaring bankruptcy will be republicans fault. Republican gov. Republican congress and republican president refuse to bail them out. The Dems had a plan to save the state, these evil white supremacist republicans wouldn't help.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 08, 2017 02:16 PM (dnWSK)

223 Yes, let's keep voting for Democrats until our city looks like LA in The Omega Man. Then we can vote for The Family.

Posted by: Marcus T, Reassigned to indirect fire at September 08, 2017 02:16 PM (9xpg1)

224 Hmm, interview of Dick Morris, who is mostly full of shit, at Gateway Pundit, who is mostly full of shit.

I wonder how that interview is going to be....

Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2017 02:18 PM (8ZHdq)

225 It's like Whack-a-mole with those labels, but I thought most Communists think of themselves as Socialists.
======

Hence, "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics"

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 08, 2017 02:18 PM (vg8iE)

226 When people say that the "dreamers" are just as American as you, are they saying that the average American speaks English with a thick Spanish accent and is functionally illiterate in English too?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 02:08 PM (IWbvi)
_______________

And can't afford to pay for their own meals . . . .

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 08, 2017 02:19 PM (BXf9o)

227 He and that evil homonculous Robert "The One-Third" Reich as cellmates.

Tall order.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 02:19 PM (QQ+il)

228 221 The Progressive Elite are always the Grandees, living above the fray, a life of privilege and unaccountability.

They have high security, comfortable dachas, private schools, hospitals, transportation.

All of this is always true, in any form of Socialism.

The rest of us will inevitably be fighting over canned Spam and white bread if things play out the way the Elites have it planned.

Viva' la Revolucion!!!
Posted by: kraken at September 08, 2017 02:16 PM (zSVEm)

Yeah, but at least the bread and spam is free.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (IWbvi)

229 225 It's like Whack-a-mole with those labels, but I thought most Communists think of themselves as Socialists.
======

Hence, "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics"
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 08, 2017 02:18 PM (vg8iE)

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"I don't know what that's in reference to. History started January 2009."
-Very smart college student who is now in gender studies learning how to get more women in STEM after dropping out of a Mechanical Engineering program

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (5IkYA)

230 224 Hmm, interview of Dick Morris, who is mostly full of shit, at Gateway Pundit, who is mostly full of shit.

I wonder how that interview is going to be....
Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2017 02:18 PM (8ZHdq)

You really think? GP is on our side, no?

As for Morris, he is a great political tactician, but he still hasn't grasped the strategy, IMHO. And he is motivated by vendetta more than by wising up, although I think his Road To Damascus moment is due.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (ujg0T)

231 OT I remember a prison movie where the rioters were attacked with tanks.Old B&W movie.Was it Each Dawn I Die?Anybody remember?

Posted by: steevy at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (rmVvL)

232 Or welcome to every damn day in Central California....
Posted by: Don Q. at September 08, 2017 02:15 PM (NgKpN)

CA Professor Hands Out White Privilege Checklist, Warns Students Not to Stereotype
"We are all engaged in an oppressive power structure."

truthrevolt.org

Check your privilege, Don!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (fceHP)

233 228 Yeah, but at least the bread and spam is free.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (IWbvi)

==============

You just need to wait in line for about 12 hours to get it.

Ain't life grand?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (5IkYA)

234 And can't afford to pay for their own meals . . . .

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 08, 2017 02:19 PM (BXf9o)

=======

And wipe their asses and throw it in the trash can.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (vg8iE)

235 225. It's because communism is the goal, amd socialism is supposed to lead there. The old Soviet joke went: 'we live under socialism, but our children will live under communism,' said with a sad shake of the head. (That was one of the old slogans. )

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (fA1SL)

236 Reporter at press briefing just asked Sarah Sanders if Trump was going to open Mar a Lago to victims and refugees of the hurricane. Sarah told her she would need to contact the Trump organization.

Posted by: Jen the original at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (/Qs0S)

237 Illinois just borrowed $6 billion to pay off the stack of unpaid bills it has.

What fool loaned them money?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 02:21 PM (QQ+il)

238 51 No visa
No income tax
No traffic ticket warrants
No drivers license needed
EBT card
Reduced college tuition

Some "citizens" have it better than others.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 08, 2017 01:48 PM (Mouru)

+++

The food stamp program was also shown on television in Mexico, inviting people to come to the U.S. and sign-on. Within the paperwork for the EBT and cash programs is a form for vote registration. All in Spanish, of course.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 08, 2017 02:21 PM (7m3t8)

239 Hmm, interview of Dick Morris, who is mostly full of shit, at Gateway Pundit, who is mostly full of shit.

I wonder how that interview is going to be....
Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2017 02:18 PM (8ZHdq)

You really think? GP is on our side, no?

As for Morris, he is a great political tactician, but he still hasn't grasped the strategy, IMHO. And he is motivated by vendetta more than by wising up, although I think his Road To Damascus moment is due.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (ujg0T)

I like the gateway pundit. Really unique stories. They messed up once, as I recall, but otherwise, great stuff. They go out into the storm, physically.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 08, 2017 02:21 PM (fceHP)

240 236 Reporter at press briefing just asked Sarah Sanders if Trump was going to open Mar a Lago to victims and refugees of the hurricane. Sarah told her she would need to contact the Trump organization.
Posted by: Jen the original at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (/Qs0S)

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"As soon as the Obama's fill their houses with Syrian refugees."
-Trump organization spokesperson

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:22 PM (5IkYA)

241 237

Illinois just borrowed $6 billion to pay off the stack of unpaid bills it has.

What fool loaned them money?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 02:21 PM (QQ+il)

I'd imagine the Feds...

Posted by: kraken at September 08, 2017 02:22 PM (zSVEm)

242 Nero fiddled while Rome burned. The Republican party handed Antifa and the Dems (redundant, I know), the friggin' gasoline.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 08, 2017 02:22 PM (dZ756)

243
He and that evil homonculous Robert "The One-Third" Reich as cellmates.

I can see them trying to sneak out standing on each others shoulders while wearing an extra long trench coat.

Posted by: tu3031 at September 08, 2017 02:22 PM (O5Q3r)

244 Grump, probably Russia, or from the 6 billion missing from Hillary's sos stash

Posted by: willow at September 08, 2017 02:23 PM (FKrah)

245 The left always needs an enemy to distract people from the truth. If the people in Chicago can't see how their kids have less opportunities, they have a better chance of being in a gang, then college, they are more likely to be shot before their 19th birthday than in any other city, their future does not look any brighter amend the promises people like Emmanuel has made them are provably and demonstrably false- I don't know what to say.

Maybe one day when they figure out that no politician will make their lives better and they betray your trust at every turn, they will get a clue. Until then, au revoir.

Posted by: Marcus T, Reassigned to indirect fire at September 08, 2017 02:23 PM (9xpg1)

246 >>>When people say that the "dreamers" are just as American as you, are
they saying that the average American speaks English with a thick
Spanish accent and is functionally illiterate in English too?<<<

No, they're saying you rednecks are just as likely to get tanked up on liquor and mow pedestrians down from behind the wheel of your unregistered, uninsured SUV.

Posted by: Fritz at September 08, 2017 02:23 PM (2Mnv1)

247 Reporter at press briefing just asked Sarah Sanders if Trump was going to open Mar a Lago to victims and refugees of the hurricane. Sarah told her she would need to contact the Trump organization.
Posted by: Jen the original at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (/Qs0S)

so much stupid packed in that reporters question

remember how they were screaming about separating himself from his businesses?

good times

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 08, 2017 02:23 PM (fceHP)

248 Unbordered Adventurers

Posted by: PORK at September 08, 2017 02:24 PM (2wRtc)

249 I think that Gateway Pundit pushes a lot of Fake News from the Right, and that is a net negative.

Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2017 02:24 PM (8ZHdq)

250 236 Reporter at press briefing just asked Sarah Sanders if Trump was going to open Mar a Lago to victims and refugees of the hurricane. Sarah told her she would need to contact the Trump organization.
Posted by: Jen the original at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (/Qs0S)

I'm pretty sure it's in an evacuation area and the reporter is a dumbass. Actually, I'm 100% certain the reporter is a dumbass.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 02:24 PM (0mRoj)

251 I'm a fan of Orwell, and have read most of his stuff.

One blind spot he had was that he was hung up on Class, because he was English. He was from what had been an Upper Class family that got poorer over time.

Socialism was the way to fix it, by jove!

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 08, 2017 02:24 PM (SIY7D)

252 /$squeeee ee e e eee

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at September 08, 2017 02:24 PM (2wRtc)

253 States cannot declare bankruptcy. Only individuals, companies (non-human entities), and municipalities can.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 08, 2017 02:24 PM (dZ756)

254 Two words: Blind Trust Bitches!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 02:24 PM (QQ+il)

255 Unbounded Wanderers

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at September 08, 2017 02:25 PM (2wRtc)

256 Rahm just hit documented citizens with a yuge
property tax increase because the teachers' pension fund is broke again.
Crook County's sugar tax is killing what's left of businesses.
Everything the left touches it destroys. But what's most annoying are
the idiots who will blindly vote for them every time no matter how much
they're hurting them
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 08, 2017 02:12 PM

"It is easier to fool people, than it is to convince them they've been fooled."
-- Mark Twain

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 08, 2017 02:25 PM (ctuyM)

257 Reporter at press briefing just asked Sarah Sanders if Trump was going to open Mar a Lago to victims and refugees of the hurricane. Sarah told her she would need to contact the Trump organization.
Posted by: Jen the original at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (/Qs0S)

Aaaand here comes next week's Narrative.

I really hate these scum.

Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 02:25 PM (Jcg9Q)

258 Why would Mar-Lago be a place to stick evacuees? Pretty much ground zero... idiots..

Posted by: kraken at September 08, 2017 02:25 PM (zSVEm)

259 255 Unbounded Wanderers
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at September 08, 2017 02:25 PM (2wRtc)

They roam around and round and round and round.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 08, 2017 02:25 PM (0mRoj)

260 What we need now is an undocumented SMOD.

Posted by: Deplorable Redneck Bitter Clinger at September 08, 2017 02:25 PM (jAZR9)

261 Unaffiliated Outdoorsmen

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at September 08, 2017 02:25 PM (2wRtc)

262 I think that Gateway Pundit pushes a lot of Fake News from the Right, and that is a net negative.

========

I think he is....overzealous, but at least he's on our side.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 08, 2017 02:26 PM (vg8iE)

263 225 It's like Whack-a-mole with those labels, but I thought most Communists think of themselves as Socialists.
Hence, "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics"
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 08, 2017 02:18 PM (vg8iE)

The way I've thought about it is that socialism encompasses communism. Communism is an off-shoot of socialism. The difference between wasn't so much the theory, but whether you thought the Soviet Union was THE model.

Posted by: Mainah at September 08, 2017 02:26 PM (XtLaP)

264 I also think that Dick Morris has been playing the "man I know so much about how the Clinton's operate" card for a long time.

But he never quite reveals the "inside dirt" he implies that he has

Posted by: blaster at September 08, 2017 02:26 PM (8ZHdq)

265 246 >>>When people say that the "dreamers" are just as American as you, are
they saying that the average American speaks English with a thick
Spanish accent and is functionally illiterate in English too?

No, they're saying you rednecks are just as likely to get tanked up on liquor and mow pedestrians down from behind the wheel of your unregistered, uninsured SUV.
Posted by: Fritz at September 08, 2017 02:23 PM (2Mnv1)

Which is utter bullshit, of course.

And, as if the solution to a pathological underclass is to import more of it and make it more diverse.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 02:26 PM (ujg0T)

266 Charter school I got my kids into, for some inexplicable PC insanity, is very big on "reaching out to the Latino community" and encourages them to enroll. The school is just getting started and is constantly asking for donations, along with frequent reminders that not everybody has donated, or has resources to give so everybody else should try to donate a little more.

Gee, I wonder which parents fall into which category there.

Posted by: Ripley at September 08, 2017 02:26 PM (MxEKc)

267 Unrestricted Laborphiles

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at September 08, 2017 02:26 PM (2wRtc)

268 Orwell and Old McDonald walk into a barn.

Posted by: Jack Sock at September 08, 2017 02:26 PM (r8Hiq)

269 234 And wipe their asses and throw it in the trash can.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM

Don't forget standing on the toilet seat, leaving shoe marks & spraying mr hankey's niblets around the commode. Yeah sure, all cultures are equal.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 02:26 PM (hscyr)

270 219 Chicago is (apparently) the capital of US Communism, going back to Valerie Jarrett's commie daddy, and Obama's commie mentor who hooked him up with Jarrett. Add in Alinsky, SDS, The Boss Mayor Daly ...

You forgot Alinsky's mentor, whose Community Organizing skillz Saul admired and emulated:

Al Capone.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 08, 2017 02:26 PM (Ndje9)

271 246 >>>When people say that the "dreamers" are just as American as you, are
they saying that the average American speaks English with a thick
Spanish accent and is functionally illiterate in English too?

No, they're saying you rednecks are just as likely to get tanked up on liquor and mow pedestrians down from behind the wheel of your unregistered, uninsured SUV.

Shouldn't that be a pick up truck for the redneck, or beat up overloaded van for the undocumented citizen?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 08, 2017 02:27 PM (IWbvi)

272 210

IrishEI, step away from the pasta and eat moar bacon.

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at September 08, 2017 02:27 PM (hMwEB)

273 Rahm just hit documented citizens with a yuge
property tax increase because the teachers' pension fund is broke again.
Crook County's sugar tax is killing what's left of businesses.
Everything the left touches it destroys. But what's most annoying are
the idiots who will blindly vote for them every time no matter how much
they're hurting them
Posted by: TheQuietMan at

==========

But, hey, free shit, man!

Posted by: The Idiots at September 08, 2017 02:27 PM (vg8iE)

274 Mar a Lago is in zone 5. Which means mandatory evacuation.

Dunce.

Posted by: Marcus T, Reassigned to indirect fire at September 08, 2017 02:27 PM (9xpg1)

275 Reporter at press briefing just asked Sarah Sanders if Trump was going
to open Mar a Lago to victims and refugees of the hurricane. Sarah told
her she would need to contact the Trump organization.

Sources Say Trump Issues "Shoot To Kill" Orders To Staff At Mar A Lago To Stop Undocumented Citizens From Seeking Shelter

Posted by: This...is CNN at September 08, 2017 02:27 PM (O5Q3r)

276 one third of Chicago's students are illegal aliens?

That should be the lede.

So all of the poor taxpayers of Chicago, Illinois, and the US are paying mucho dinero to educate people who shouldn't even be here in the first place.

Hmm.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 08, 2017 02:28 PM (wmaTe)

277 Fifteen to twenty foot storm surge. Mar-A-Lago is at about six feet.

Yeah, that's a great place to be bunking evacuees.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2017 02:28 PM (ujwCG)

278 Maybe these 'reporters' will camp out at Mar-a-lago and get swept away...

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 08, 2017 02:28 PM (Bllk5)

279 Nation-free Workaholics

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at September 08, 2017 02:29 PM (2wRtc)

280 But he never quite reveals the "inside dirt" he implies that he has
=========

Probably because it may require him to reveal he's banged Hillary and who the fuck would admit to that??

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 08, 2017 02:29 PM (vg8iE)

281 Why do you not let poor brown people eat the crudites at Mar a Lago!! Where is your humanity??

Posted by: Marcus T, Reassigned to indirect fire at September 08, 2017 02:29 PM (9xpg1)

282 States cannot declare bankruptcy. Only individuals, companies (non-human entities), and municipalities can.
Posted by: SFGoth

Cool! We are not bankrupt, we just have no pesos.
Posted by: state of Illinois

Posted by: rickb223 at September 08, 2017 02:30 PM (+Q7pl)

283 The way I've thought about it is that socialism encompasses communism. Communism is an off-shoot of socialism. The difference between wasn't so much the theory, but whether you thought the Soviet Union was THE model.
Posted by: Mainah at September 08, 2017 02:26 PM (XtLaP)

In Marx's theory of societal evolution, socialism was the step between capitalism and communism.

No country, as far as I can think of, has ever claimed to achieve communism, because at that step, there is no more state and we all live in an anarchist utopia.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 08, 2017 02:30 PM (wmaTe)

284 I think his Road To Damascus moment is due.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM

Wait a second, I thought it was the Road To Dumbass?

Posted by: Michael Moore at September 08, 2017 02:30 PM (ctuyM)

285 This is how you get more Trump, if Trump runs against his own record on immigration in 2020.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 08, 2017 02:31 PM (yL25O)

286 I'm willing to educated the Mexicans, and arm them, and send them back to fight the narco-state for their own country.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 02:31 PM (QQ+il)

287 284 I think his Road To Damascus moment is due.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM

Wait a second, I thought it was the Road To Dumbass?
Posted by: Michael Moore at September 08, 2017 02:30 PM (ctuyM)

Dumbasscuss.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 08, 2017 02:31 PM (yL25O)

288 I have dcided if I ever got caught bring alcohol back from NJ or Delaware I would tell the officer its undocumented beverages

Posted by: Skip at September 08, 2017 02:31 PM (pPKG5)

289 BTW, Rahm Emanual, famously refused to send his kids to public schools and explained "...because they suck and his kids deserve better." Well, not the exact words but that is exactly what he meant.

Posted by: Ripley at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (MxEKc)

290 Hey I'm just an undocumented pharmacist!

Posted by: Neighborhood Crack Dealer at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (Cyqej)

291 282 Cool! We are not bankrupt, we just have no pesos.
Posted by: state of Illinois
Posted by: rickb223 at September 08, 2017 02:30 PM (+Q7pl)

============

Now, fire all of your police and firemen so you can pay for the pensions of teachers who haven't set foot in a classroom for twenty years, but you made a promise to.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (5IkYA)

292 "So all of the poor taxpayers of Chicago, Illinois, and the US are paying
mucho dinero to educate people who shouldn't even be here in the first
place."

Plus all of that food being disbursed at public expense.

I need to dig some more and find out whether Solorio Academy High School is one of those which have the cafeteria open for free breakfast and free dinner in addition to free lunches. As is increasingly common these days.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (ujwCG)

293 Reporter at press briefing just asked Sarah Sanders if Trump was going to open Mar a Lago to victims and refugees of the hurricane. Sarah told her she would need to contact the Trump organization.
Posted by: Jen the original at September 08, 2017 02:20 PM (/Qs0S)

Aaaand here comes next week's Narrative.

I really hate these scum.
Posted by: Country Boy - official AmbASSador to the CenTexMoMee - Molson labe! at September 08, 2017 02:25 PM (Jcg9Q)

Trump just gave $1million of his own money to relief orgs.

what jackasses they are

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (fceHP)

294 I admire Sanders ability to not answer stupid questions and redirect the person while at the same time highlighting how stupid the question was with just her non-expression. Her poker face at these briefings is epic

Posted by: Jen the original at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (/Qs0S)

295 Basically, in socialism, the capitalist class is gone and the workers class runs everything and benefits from everything. But the state still plays a role in making that happen.

Then we get to the point where everything is running so smoothly that we no longer need the state to step in, the capitalists are all gone (ahem, gulaged or whatnot), and the workers work together for a better future.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (wmaTe)

296 Apropos of nothing, next Thursday is the 150th anniversary of the publication of Das Kapital, vol 1.

Someone should do a post about this Wave of the Future.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (QQ+il)

297
Dumb Ass-Kiss.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (mbhDw)

298 Chicago is (apparently) the capital of US Communism, going back to Valerie Jarrett's commie daddy, and Obama's commie mentor who hooked him up with Jarrett. Add in Alinsky, SDS, The Boss Mayor Daly ...

Old man Daley was just an old time politician and wouldn't be allowed in the Dem party today. Hell they were trying to kick him out in 1972. His useless son was a modern lefty turd

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (493sH)

299 Sources Say Trump Issues "Shoot To Kill" Orders To Staff At Mar A Lago To Stop Undocumented Citizens From Seeking Shelter
Posted by: This...is CNN at September 08, 2017 02:27 PM (O5Q3r)

...

I said that, and you can quote me.

Posted by: Rough Ridin' Republican Bob Menendez at September 08, 2017 02:33 PM (yL25O)

300 291

.........

Now, fire all of your police and firemen so you can pay for the pensions of teachers who haven't set foot in a classroom for twenty years, but you made a promise to.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (5IkYA)

I have often wondered how they will untangle that mess.

Posted by: kraken at September 08, 2017 02:33 PM (zSVEm)

301 I admire Sanders ability to not answer stupid questions and redirect the person while at the same time highlighting how stupid the question was with just her non-expression. Her poker face at these briefings is epic
========

Why did she and her father go on The View the other day? I wouldn't sully myself as to be in the same room with that geriatric filth.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 08, 2017 02:33 PM (vg8iE)

302 272 210

IrishEI, step away from the pasta and eat moar bacon.
Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at September 08, 2017 02:27 PM (hMwEB)

Add cream and parmiggiano and have Pasta Carbonara.

Winning!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 08, 2017 02:33 PM (mbhDw)

303 295 Basically, in socialism, the capitalist class is gone and the workers class runs everything and benefits from everything. But the state still plays a role in making that happen.

Then we get to the point where everything is running so smoothly that we no longer need the state to step in, the capitalists are all gone (ahem, gulaged or whatnot), and the workers work together for a better future.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (wmaTe)

================

Sounds like someone's read the Communist Manifesto.

I hated that book so much. It's pie in the sky thinking mixed with pure hatred.

The fact that it inspires so many people to this day is depressing beyond all belief.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:34 PM (5IkYA)

304 Oh, these illegals are citizens alright.

Just not of the United States of America.

Semantics.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at September 08, 2017 02:34 PM (O9qtX)

305
And egg.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 08, 2017 02:34 PM (mbhDw)

306 1 So is everybody in the world now a US citizen? Talk about diverse!

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at September 08, 2017 01:39 PM (zsUWe)

And therefore deserves to vote and receive $75,000 a year in Cash Welfare from the native-born US Taxpayers.

Posted by: Hikaru at September 08, 2017 02:34 PM (CMbMd)

307
I need to dig some more and find out whether Solorio Academy High School is one of those which have the cafeteria open for free breakfast and free dinner in addition to free lunches. As is increasingly common these days.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM

What, no midnight snack after the midnight basketball game?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 08, 2017 02:34 PM (IqV8l)

308 I need to dig some more and find out whether Solorio Academy High School is one of those which have the cafeteria open for free breakfast and free dinner in addition to free lunches. As is increasingly common these days.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (ujwCG)

...

The only question left is why the close the schools and let children starve during summer.

Posted by: Rough Ridin' Republican Bob Menendez at September 08, 2017 02:34 PM (yL25O)

309 I am the undocumented Imperator of Earth! Bow down before the power of Strobe!

Posted by: Strobe at September 08, 2017 02:34 PM (gbWkA)

310 300 I have often wondered how they will untangle that mess.
Posted by: kraken at September 08, 2017 02:33 PM (zSVEm)

=============

Well, they were hoping for a bailout.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:34 PM (5IkYA)

311 Old man Daley was just an old time politician and wouldn't be allowed in the Dem party today. Hell they were trying to kick him out in 1972. His useless son was a modern lefty turd
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (493sH)

Not unlike how the old mafiosi goomba Teamsters were (still are?) disgusted at the commies.

If we must have unions, let them be goomba unions. 8-D

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 08, 2017 02:35 PM (ujg0T)

312 Sounds like someone's read the Communist Manifesto.

I hated that book so much. It's pie in the sky thinking mixed with pure hatred.

The fact that it inspires so many people to this day is depressing beyond all belief.
========

Didn't Marx himself admit it was all fantasy bullshit and couldn't be implemented in real life, or am I imagining that?

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 08, 2017 02:35 PM (vg8iE)

313 Now, fire all of your police and firemen so you can pay for the pensions
of teachers who haven't set foot in a classroom for twenty years, but
you made a promise to.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (5IkYA)

I have often wondered how they will untangle that mess.

Go look in a mirror.

Posted by: tu3031 at September 08, 2017 02:35 PM (O5Q3r)

314 CRIMINAL INVADERS

Posted by: Avi at September 08, 2017 02:35 PM (PKtoT)

315 301
Why did she and her father go on The View the other day? I wouldn't sully myself as to be in the same room with that geriatric filth.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 08, 2017 02:33 PM (vg8iE)

It was a dumb move. Why legitimize ugly yentas with fanged cooters.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 08, 2017 02:36 PM (mbhDw)

316
Sounds like someone's read the Communist Manifesto.

I hated that book so much. It's pie in the sky thinking mixed with pure hatred.

The fact that it inspires so many people to this day is depressing beyond all belief.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:34 PM

Pie and hate never go out of style.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 08, 2017 02:36 PM (IqV8l)

317 And, from now on, street corner drug dealers shall be known as, "undocumented pharmacists".

Posted by: Paul at September 08, 2017 02:36 PM (dl0yv)

318 314 CRIMINAL INVADERS
Posted by: Avi at September 08, 2017 02:35 PM (PKtoT)

...In Color. A Quinn Martin Production.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 08, 2017 02:36 PM (mbhDw)

319 312
Didn't Marx himself admit it was all fantasy bullshit and couldn't be implemented in real life, or am I imagining that?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 08, 2017 02:35 PM (vg8iE)

============

I know that there's a quote out there where he says he didn't consider himself a Marxist.

I somehow doubt that he turned sane or sober at any point in his life, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:36 PM (5IkYA)

320 And therefore deserves to vote and receive $75,000 a year in Cash Welfare from the native-born US Taxpayers.
Posted by: Hikaru at September 08, 2017 02:34 PM (CMbMd)

...

The only upside to the idea of a universal salary is that I imagine we would actually save money vs. what we pay for welfare today.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 08, 2017 02:36 PM (yL25O)

321 314 CRIMINAL INVADERS

Posted by: Avi at September 08, 2017 02:35 PM (PKtoT)

FOREIGN ARMY.

Posted by: Hikaru at September 08, 2017 02:37 PM (CMbMd)

322 Sounds like someone's read the Communist Manifesto.

I hated that book so much. It's pie in the sky thinking mixed with pure hatred.

The fact that it inspires so many people to this day is depressing beyond all belief.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:34 PM (5IkYA)

I read the Communist Manifesto and sort of read Das Kapital -- tried to read all 3 parts but basically ended up skimming.

Maybe it loses something in translation, but its really hard to real Marx's stuff. Seems very... wandering and willfully ignorant of, you know, reality.

I don't think most people in socialist countries have read the pamphlet or the books, or they would be like "oh shit, this is dumb."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 08, 2017 02:37 PM (wmaTe)

323 Girl WTF are you doing? Thought you were going protein & healthy fats for at least 2 weeks to heal your gut up. Might want to try tossing in the kefir too.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 08, 2017 02:12 PM
~~~~~

I really don't know what the hell I'm doing. Never have. Pasta was on the list of "low residue" food I was given. I just assumed low residue meant not a lot of fiber.

Posted by: IrishEi at September 08, 2017 02:37 PM (HiDrR)

324 Cool! We are not bankrupt, we just have no pesos.
Posted by: state of Illinois
Posted by: rickb223 at September 08, 2017 02:30 PM (+Q7pl)

============

Now, fire all of your police and firemen so you can pay for the pensions of teachers who haven't set foot in a classroom for twenty years, but you made a promise to.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:32 PM (5IkYA)

Now, fire all of your teachers for the same reason to pay the police and firemen.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 08, 2017 02:37 PM (+Q7pl)

325 Unchained Underclass

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at September 08, 2017 02:37 PM (2wRtc)

326 319
I know that there's a quote out there where he says he didn't consider himself a Marxist.

I somehow doubt that he turned sane or sober at any point in his life, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:36 PM (5IkYA)

Probably when Engels' dad cut them off. If that happened.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 08, 2017 02:37 PM (mbhDw)

327 You guys have me wanting to change my nic to Mr. Pilkington.

Posted by: Jack Sock at September 08, 2017 02:39 PM (r8Hiq)

328 >>The only question left is why the close the schools and let children starve during summer.

Oh, they've started serving school lunches over the summer in some cities.
Also there's the program that sends food home with kids on Friday so that they eat over the weekend (not sure if it's govt. or private program).

The real question is what's the point of SNAP/foodstamps if the parents no longer feed their own dang children at home.

Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at September 08, 2017 02:39 PM (W+vEI)

329
I read the Communist Manifesto and sort of read Das Kapital -- tried to read all 3 parts but basically ended up skimming.

Maybe it loses something in translation, but its really hard to real Marx's stuff. Seems very... wandering and willfully ignorant of, you know, reality.

I don't think most people in socialist countries have read the pamphlet or the books, or they would be like "oh shit, this is dumb."
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 08, 2017 02:37 PM (wmaTe)

=========

I've heard that even hard left economists hate Das Kapital because it's so poorly written.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at September 08, 2017 02:39 PM (5IkYA)

330 The only upside to the idea of a universal salary is that I imagine we would actually save money vs. what we pay for welfare today.

$75k a year? Shit, I want in on that. That would be one hell of a pay raise.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 08, 2017 02:39 PM (+Q7pl)

331 "Pasta was on the list of 'low residue' food I was given. I just assumed low residue meant not a lot of fiber."

Astronauts, who have to really think about low residue at times, eat steak and eggs on launch days.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 08, 2017 02:39 PM (ujwCG)

332 Subservient Harvesters

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at September 08, 2017 02:39 PM (2wRtc)

333 Rosebud...

Posted by: Undocumented Citizen Kane at September 08, 2017 02:39 PM (Tyii7)

334 Nood. Taco Bell.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 08, 2017 02:40 PM (ycWCI)

335 "You forgot Alinsky's mentor, whose Community Organizing skillz Saul admired and emulated:
Al Capone.

Posted by the gipper

good point, that really gets to the root of what "communism" is really about, and "globalism" may just be the modern incarnation of the old beast.

Chicago (and Illinois) is still run by Madigan (mentored by Daly) as it has been for 30 years ... he is behind the $120B debt for union mobs, even passing laws saying it had to be funded even though it was not legally fully funded, which was the old deal go back to 1980 or so. He said "yes we are not funding as required by law, but you still must pay our golden open-ended pensions".

Only a state run by mobsters gets away with that BS. A lot of people need prison ... hard to blame the current R gov' too much ... Madigan is in charge. (that machine "birthed" Obama and Hillary .... corrupt commie central) ... even Lincoln was loved by Marxists who influenced him ... sheesh.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 08, 2017 02:40 PM (yKAUL)

336 Didn't Marx himself admit it was all fantasy bullshit and couldn't be implemented in real life, or am I imagining that?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 08, 2017 02:35 PM (vg8iE)

Wouldn't surprise me. His stuff is written in a super theoretical way.

Basically, his premise was that there is an inevitable evolution of government / financial systems from agrarian (serfs and all that) to a more capital-based system (what he called 'capitalism' and we just called 'free markets') to a socialist system when the workers ban together to overthrow the capitalists... then we all get enlightened and end up living in a world where everyone cooperates and there is no capital, no classes, no governments, and we all live in a utopia.

I'm not sure he intended his wandering musings to be looked at as some kind of instruction manual. Or that he thought you could force those evolutions.

I don't know, like I said -- I tried to read Das Kapital but just... couldn't. Maybe it's better in the original German, but it's damned near unreadable in English.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at September 08, 2017 02:40 PM (wmaTe)

337 sometimes I wonder why the left population and elites have an issue with legal citizenship.
Is it that they hate processing papers?
They hate the funds brought to them by those that Work for their citizenship?

I mean what the hell is wrong with the front door saying hello I Want to be a citzend lets' start the process?

Posted by: willow at September 08, 2017 02:42 PM (FKrah)

338 Marx was skint, but he had sense.
Engles lent him the necessary pence.

Posted by: The Clash at September 08, 2017 02:42 PM (7uYFy)

339 VM, JJ

Hangs head in shame.

But I can only do a modified version of low carb/high fat because I don't have a gallbladder. Lost it a couple of years ago and even St. Anthony has been unable to help.

Posted by: IrishEi at September 08, 2017 02:42 PM (HiDrR)

340 That's OK. I've referred to the AP as "those assholes" for at least ten years. We can call it even.

Posted by: RobM1981 at September 08, 2017 02:45 PM (VVBN7)

341 They now provide free breakfast and free lunch in our school district. That was mostly pushed due to the large influx of illegals and other people who can't support themselves coming into the district under the Obama non immigration enforcement policies. You have to understand we have some of the highest school taxes in the state and people have been screaming they need to go down. But all the bleeding heart left wing assholes voted on the budget and passed it.

Now the bills are coming due and they can't believe their eyes. Dunces. It's almost laughable if it wasn't so sad. People have had enough and now they're moving out. NY state sucks. Downstate has been filled with all these left wing leaches who want to spend everyone's money on their whimsical nonsense. Pretty soon there won't be anyone to pay it.

Posted by: Marcus T, Reassigned to indirect fire at September 08, 2017 02:46 PM (9xpg1)

342 I'm the undocumented owner of a really nice Lamborghini.

Pretty sure.

Posted by: Dang at September 08, 2017 02:48 PM (IvffL)

343 "Old man Daley was just an old time politician and
wouldn't be allowed in the Dem party today. Hell they were trying to
kick him out in 1972. His useless son was a modern lefty turd

Posted by: TheQuietMan

things change, but his son was mayor, and Madigan still runs the state ... I think he got his powers from Daly. There does seem to be a transition toward the globalist version of "communism". I'm not sure if they co-opted it from the old Soviets or what ... still putting those pieces together.

Hillary was the new banker globalist cabal, then came Obama and knocked her out with the Marxist "black liberation theology" crap. Then there are the old school private union guys (Trumka) that still seem to lean toward "America First".

I need a road map or Venn diagram or something ... ha. The old union boys could be what carried Trump in the rust belt ... not sure. The drug running side and the felon vote is all old Democrat I guess.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 08, 2017 02:52 PM (yKAUL)

344 This weekend is going to be epic. With Irma getting all the attention, you just KNOW that Whoa, Fat ! is going to try something.....

Posted by: JoeF. at September 08, 2017 02:52 PM (7uYFy)

345 342
I'm the undocumented owner of a Nancy Pelosi's really nice Lamborghini.

Pretty sure.

Posted by: Dang at September 08, 2017 02:48 PM (IvffL)
FTFY

Posted by: Armando at September 08, 2017 02:53 PM (FwRqg)

346 As an actual citizen, I find the mis-use of this word to be a macro-aggression against me, which is part of its purpose. Note macro, not micro. Because I'm hugely offended. Eff them all.

Posted by: biblio at September 08, 2017 02:55 PM (6FY0P)

347 >>>When people say that the "dreamers" are just as American as you, are they saying that the average American speaks English with a thick Spanish accent and is functionally illiterate in English too?
----------------------------
No, they mean that there is no such thing as "American" beyond residence in the location.
There are no traditions, there is no culture, no preferred language, no founding political principles, etc.. etc.

Snatch an aborigine from deep in the wilds of New Guinea and plop him in the LA airport and he is as "American" as John Wayne.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 08, 2017 03:09 PM (0jtPF)

348 Full confession: I work as an editor at a newspaper. Although we theoretically follow the AP style guide, I refuse to go along with their guidelines on transgenders and illegal aliens. I ALWAYS change the wording to read "illegal aliens" and I ALWAYS change the pronouns for transgender people to reflect their actual sex, to make it clear to readers that that these are people with mental disorders.

The transgender stuff is particularly infuriating, as reporters often go out of their way to obfuscate the issue, to the point that an average reader who's just scanning the story could come away without a completely false idea of what's going on. That's an offense against basic journalism.

I'm convinced that at least half the public does not realize that a "transgender girl" is a boy pretending to be a girl; they think it's just a regular girl who maybe dresses funny or something. Many of the stories I see are deliberately evasive on this point. I'm sure the reporters responsible tell themselves that they're being opaque because this information is "private" and "irrelevant," but I think most folks would consider it pretty damn relevant, and if you're going to take it into public bathrooms and locker rooms, it's pretty damn public, too.

Nobody's complained yet, although if my bosses ever complain, I'll be ready to offer my resignation. The lefty bias of my industry is one thing -- but I draw the line at printing blatant Orwellian lies.

Posted by: Newsguy at September 08, 2017 03:28 PM (R1mDg)

349 *I meant "an average reader who's just scanning the story could come away WITH a completely false idea of what's going on."

My bad.

Posted by: Newsguy at September 08, 2017 03:30 PM (R1mDg)

350 'Criminal Foreigners'

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2017 03:42 PM (QQ+il)

351 or Foreign Criminals

either or

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 08, 2017 03:42 PM (QQ+il)

352 Leno had a joke years ago that eventually 'illegal aliens' will be called 'undocumented Democrats'. As Mr. Lebowski would say, "You're joking. But perhaps you're right."

Posted by: ryan at September 08, 2017 04:42 PM (GiXeY)

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