Wisconsin Bill Would Expel or Suspend Students in the University of Wisconsin System Who Attempt to Shut Down Public Speakers

Under a new bill approved Wednesday night by the Wisconsin State Assembly, such student protesters in the UW system could be suspended or even expelled if they repeatedly disrupt campus speakers they disagree with.
The Republican-backed legislation, called the Campus Free Speech Act, is part of a national effort by conservative groups to crack down on protests intended to silence controversial speakers on liberal college campuses. Similar measures have been enacted in Colorado and introduced in Michigan, North Carolina, Virginia and California.

Demonstrations like the one that interrupted Shapiro’s speech last fall have become an increasingly common sight at universities around the country as debate has roiled over how to curb hate speech while protecting free expression and intellectual diversity. Some demonstrations have turned violent, like the recent protests and riots in Berkeley, Calif., that shut down a planned lecture by conservative provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos.

Bizarrely, this law (should it become one) will probably be successfully challenged on free speech grounds, with plaintiffs arguing their shutting down of free speech is their own free speech. The fact that the state is an actor here will be held against the measure.

But it shouldn't -- the UW system is itself a state actor, and is therefore obligated to defend free speech rights itself. It isn't doing so -- and therefor the "state actor" is already acting against free speech. This is more correctly seen as a corrective to that illegality.

A better option is simply to defund any universities -- for, say, a year per offense -- that don't vigillantly protect speech rights.

Posted by: Ace at 04:56 PM

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1 Maybe install student Kiosks?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 04:42 PM (J+eG2)

2 Furst....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 04:42 PM (7uYFy)

3 Third??

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 04:42 PM (7uYFy)

4 Third??

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 04:42 PM (7uYFy)

5 Mebbe Wisconsin can defend marriage next!!!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2017 04:42 PM (udajc)

6 This should be done everywhere.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 22, 2017 04:42 PM (Ri/rl)

7 SPOILER ALERT:

The original intent will be warped and twisted and used against conservatives.

Posted by: Max Power at June 22, 2017 04:43 PM (q177U)

8 Bizarrely, this law (should it become one) will probably be successfully
challenged on free speech grounds, with plaintiffs arguing their
shutting down of free speech is their own free speech. The fact that the
state is an actor here will be held against the measure.

Like Freedom of Religion gets flipped on its head to stifle the practice or expression of religion.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2017 04:43 PM (oVJmc)

9 This is such an excellent idea!!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 04:44 PM (NOIQH)

10 It does sound like a tough sell in court.

Defunding is hunting mosquitoes with a shotgun. Mandating that campus security and local police remove disruptive protesters might be a better approach.

Posted by: mnw at June 22, 2017 04:44 PM (ezX5B)

11 Surprised to hear Kolorado already has this.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 22, 2017 04:44 PM (WpPbD)

12 A better option is simply to defund any universities -- for, say, a year
per offense -- that don't vigillantly protect speech rights.
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Wouldn't be easier to fire whoever the head of the college system and the head of the college in question, without their pensions, for gross negligence for allowing this to happen on any state college campus?

Iterate on this enough times and you'll eventually get someone that cares more about their cushy job (and really does it get any cushier then lead academic bureaucrat?) more then virtue signalling.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 22, 2017 04:44 PM (eSx+E)

13 Hate Speech is a way to "shut down" speakers. Conservatives that use hate speech to try and shut down Protected Speech will face automatic expulsion.

Yeah, great plan guys.

Posted by: Max Power at June 22, 2017 04:44 PM (q177U)

14 I like Ace's defunding idea rather than the window-dressing oughta-be-a-law idea.

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 22, 2017 04:44 PM (vkS2Z)

15 I would imagine this would just result in administrators leaning more heavily on organizations about whom they can/can't invite, but it would still be a win if this passes.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 22, 2017 04:45 PM (NOIQH)

16 Yeah I head the NYC City Council is bring up a similar bill next week....SHit I just laughed so hard I peed myself

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 04:45 PM (5y11N)

17 7: SPOILER ALERT:

The original intent will be warped and twisted and used against conservatives.
Posted by: Max Power at June 22, 2017 04:43 PM (q177U)

Dang it! I would never have guessed that ending.

Posted by: LASue, so deplorable I might get stabbed by a crazy liberal! at June 22, 2017 04:45 PM (hZ+us)

18 Or alternately, allow any college speaker to sue the appropriate college bureaucrat, personally, if they are shut down in a public speaking appearance.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 22, 2017 04:45 PM (eSx+E)

19 Uh, yeah, no.

Posted by: Hawaiian Judge at June 22, 2017 04:46 PM (nILVB)

20 I think it passes the content neutral reasonable time place restrictions for legitimate state interest test.

Which means it will be tossed out of course.

Posted by: alexthechick - here gutter gutter gutter at June 22, 2017 04:46 PM (mf5HN)

21 I'll bet the Kolorado version doesn't make the offenders get suspended or expelled.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 22, 2017 04:46 PM (WpPbD)

22 If I use my gun to rob you, can I claim it's a case about my 2nd Amendment freedoms?

Posted by: Hate Has No Home Here and I Hate Guns, Racism, Homelessness, and Especially Moron Robbie at June 22, 2017 04:46 PM (BPbsZ)

23 Maybe install student Kiosks?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

KollegeKiosks that deliver an education to those who seek it and a nasty shock to those too arrogant to learn...what an amazing idea...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 22, 2017 04:46 PM (AM1GF)

24 My speech > your speech.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 22, 2017 04:47 PM (MINbv)

25 We only wristslap at Middlebury.

Posted by: Middlebury College at June 22, 2017 04:47 PM (bc2Lc)

26 This will also be good training for the youth eventually seeking employment in a corporate workplace - "Beatings will continue until moral improves". So suck it you little whiners.

Posted by: V. I. Lenin, HR at June 22, 2017 04:48 PM (VFhMt)

27 Let's defend cock-sucking next, Mr. Johnson!!!!!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2017 04:48 PM (udajc)

28 Defund for a year and then 90% funding. Happens again, defund and 80% funding. etc

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 22, 2017 04:48 PM (npdX6)

29 Paging Milo...

Milo to the white courtesy phone..

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 04:49 PM (J+eG2)

30 Look the education Kiosk will never happen.

What would the left do without the teachers unions and the "its for the chill-Dren" pleas.

Posted by: simplemind at June 22, 2017 04:49 PM (JjBWb)

31 REM had a song on it's first album called 'Moral Kiosk.'
Great tune....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 04:49 PM (7uYFy)

32 who would have thought liberals would become, No Freedom to speech in University?

ok well as they seem to like banning , stabbing. biting things they disagree with nowdays.
I guess we have to follow the ball so they don't ban half of America .

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 04:49 PM (iS1Cb)

33 hit their budgets hard and let the administration and admissions offices start making better decisions.

Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 22, 2017 04:49 PM (nFwvY)

34 Winning!

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2017 04:50 PM (Ot7+c)

35 moral = morale

Posted by: V. I. Lenin, HR at June 22, 2017 04:50 PM (VFhMt)

36 Is Madison on fire yet?

Posted by: golfman at June 22, 2017 04:50 PM (48QDY)

37
What happened to "I know of no tapes" thread?

Free Free Speech!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 22, 2017 04:50 PM (avEKX)

38 Uptwinkles!

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 22, 2017 04:51 PM (MINbv)

39 OH-OH!!!

First offense administration has to take a 10% haircut in funding and personnel.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 22, 2017 04:51 PM (npdX6)

40 So states cannot affirm All have a right to speak in a educational setting?

hell I remember them inviting mohmad dirdinnerjacket because Rights to ' our speech laws"
but not us cousin kissing republican/ conservatives/libertarians.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 04:51 PM (iS1Cb)

41 Why just expel them? Why not some time on the chain gang? Don't they have roads in Wisconsin that need work?

Posted by: Eromero at June 22, 2017 04:51 PM (zLDYs)

42 who would have thought liberals would become, No Freedom to speech in University? "

Pretty much everyone.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 22, 2017 04:51 PM (MINbv)

43 I like Ace's defunding idea rather than the window-dressing oughta-be-a-law idea.

I prefer an extra-judicial ass whoopin', but that's just me.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 04:52 PM (j+h+K)

44 If the language defines 'disrupt' and that definition is not ambiguous I don't see how it can be found to be a violation of the students own free speech.

Protesting is not disrupting. Blocking access is disrupting. Physically assaulting a speaker is disrupting.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 04:52 PM (9GhFt)

45 If Obama could threaten to withhold money from schools for the whole gay bathroom thing, I'm guessing something that is actually written down in the Constitution should be a fairly easy pass.

Posted by: Hate Has No Home Here and I Hate Guns, Racism, Homelessness, and Especially Moron Robbie at June 22, 2017 04:52 PM (BPbsZ)

46 why is it everyone in the FKN world has a right to America! But we don't have a right to our own country and law?

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 04:52 PM (iS1Cb)

47 "What happened to "I know of no tapes" thread?

Free Free Speech!
"

No shit

That tab is active.

But it's off the home page.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 04:52 PM (J+eG2)

48 Try that here and we'll beat your h8ter asses! Stern warnings or not!

Posted by: Bat Wielding Lesbians of Evergreen State College at June 22, 2017 04:53 PM (qJhUV)

49 Has Obama weighed in on Health Bill?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 04:53 PM (7uYFy)

50 Anon a mouse. I didn't , but I really did Miss the part in between when they became communists.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 04:53 PM (iS1Cb)

51 But schools have speech codes, right?

If you are a student and say start shouting real white supremecist slogans on campus , you'll be kicked out of the school. Right?

So schools can have speech codes they can enforce.

Shutting down a speaker could also be a violation that kicks you out.

Posted by: publix at June 22, 2017 04:53 PM (hMxr+)

52 If the language defines 'disrupt' and that definition is not ambiguous I don't see how it can be found to be a violation of the students own free speech.

Protesting is not disrupting. Blocking access is disrupting. Physically assaulting a speaker is disrupting.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 04:52 PM (9GhFt)

How about breaking the law?

Posted by: golfman at June 22, 2017 04:53 PM (48QDY)

53 Man I forgot about "I'm a dinner jacket" giving a college speech.

Sort of makes the hysterics about Milo et al especially ridiculous.

Posted by: simplemind at June 22, 2017 04:54 PM (mctga)

54 Protestors should get double-secret probation... in Kabul.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2017 04:54 PM (V3c+3)

55 Somebody is rearranging the order of the threads on the main page.

And now a cool thread about the Sheriff telling folks to get a gun.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 04:54 PM (J+eG2)

56 Just make senior administrative positions at will employees; the let it happen. The Governor removes them. Will clean up this shit in red states.

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2017 04:54 PM (9TU00)

57 Gov. Walker should petition the President for a pardon. Killing his presidential campaign advisors, no matter how prolonged and gruesome, is a necessary service to the nation. If he had run his campaign with an explicit "blood for the Blood Gov, skulls for the skull throne" theme, he would have done the impossible and out-Trumped Trump. More than any one person, he had the true hatred of the left against him, and commendable attempts to roll back the local derp state.

Posted by: trev006 at June 22, 2017 04:55 PM (5Ag3u)

58 simplemind, doesn't it!

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 04:55 PM (iS1Cb)

59 "who would have thought liberals would become, No Freedom to speech in University? ok well as they seem to like banning , stabbing. biting things they disagree with nowdays"

The progressives were for academic freedom of speech back when they were first setting out on the "long march through the institutions". They needed it to shield themselves and their own speech as they slowly infiltrated and obtained power.

With the "long march" concluded successfully, and the groves of academe now dominated by 1960s New Left campus radicalism that has obtained tenure, the progressives don't want academic free speech any more. They're gripping the megaphone tightly and have no intention of letting any other voices speak through it.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 22, 2017 04:55 PM (ujwCG)

60 or giving a voice to ann coulter?
I mean heck dinnerjacket coulter?

well , whose ideas are forbidden?
weird yeah?

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 04:56 PM (iS1Cb)

61 Miss the part in between when they became communists."

Yeah, Marx was pretty much a giveaway... sadly, what the progressives and lefties actually said isn't taught...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at June 22, 2017 04:56 PM (MINbv)

62 and milo is still cute, btw.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 04:56 PM (iS1Cb)

63 Walker was about the only other Republican running that I trusted.

Shame his campaign imploded.

Posted by: publix at June 22, 2017 04:56 PM (hMxr+)

64 embrace the power of and; expulsion and loss of funding.

Posted by: USNtakim at June 22, 2017 04:56 PM (zZWkn)

65 Anon, we let them do as they do, we were busy making babuies.

it's really our fault, they are every frkn where.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 04:57 PM (iS1Cb)

66 Best way to handle it is to give the "disruptors" something physical to worry about. When pain is the result of Adult Childhood Syndrome rudeness, I'll wager the disruptions will become less frequent. Stop coddling them and teach them their actions have consequences.

Posted by: BillyClub at June 22, 2017 04:57 PM (hkgcg)

67 Why not just take away student aid? You won't participate as a peaceable student? No aid for you!

That includes the taxpayer subsidy that allows your tuition to be as low as it is.

State college- here's your bill: $40K per year. Pay it or leave.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2017 04:57 PM (TOk1P)

68 -u

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 04:57 PM (iS1Cb)

69 I was going to posit that my right to swing my arms around ends when my fist contacts your nose. But the director of the FBI has set the precedent that 'intent' is required before a crime is committed.

So if I am innocently standing on a street corner, engaged in vigorous physical exercise by waving my arms around and you walk into my fist, it's your fault.

Logically, then, my right to free speech ends when my speech prevents your from exercising your right to speak your mind. Which turns the whole thing into a shouting match. Which then becomes an organizing effort to recruit the larger mob, which becomes the slippery slope that leads to violence and totalitarianism.

So, after reading some of the comments above, I see no reconciliation possible because it is not a zero sum game. The left is playing for a different victory condition than we conservatives are.

It's not about free speech, it's not about freedom of religion, it's not about public safety, it is about political power.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 22, 2017 04:57 PM (m9X4Y)

70 Am i in the matrix? Whose the actor here?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 22, 2017 04:57 PM (O5bec)

71 On a related note: Evergreen College faces struggles after drop in enrollment. It's been going down since 2011 but the recent events probably didn't help:

http://tinyurl.com/ydbbkp3c

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 22, 2017 04:58 PM (qES5k)

72 simplemind, doesn't it!

Posted by: willow
=====
Yep.

There is video of "I'm a dinner jacket being one of the Iranian Embassy Hostage Takers" as a student.

Literally attacked US embassy and took hostages, yet free speech for him, not for Milo.

Sweet fancy moses.

Posted by: simplemind at June 22, 2017 04:58 PM (CDUOf)

73 OT: I see on Twitter that Hugh Hewitt now has a Saturday morning show on MSNBC.

Posted by: IrishEi at June 22, 2017 04:59 PM (HiDrR)

74 simplemind, I believe there is also video of obamas buds throwing tables and chairs around a Bank of America.

but who cares. right?

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 04:59 PM (iS1Cb)

75 Kass's column at the Chi Tribune today was about dissolving Illinois as a state (Venezuela of the Midwest) and having the surrounding states absorb our hollowed out remains.

I for one will welcome our new Wisconsin overlords.

Posted by: V. I. Lenin, HR at June 22, 2017 04:59 PM (VFhMt)

76 Why not just take away student aid? You won't participate as a peaceable student? No aid for you!

That includes the taxpayer subsidy that allows your tuition to be as low as it is.

State college- here's your bill: $40K per year. Pay it or leave.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2017 04:57 PM (TOk1P)

And if you don't want to pay your bill/attend classes peacefully, we'll charge you with a crime of misappropriating government funds.

And then we hound you to the ends of your days collecting your debt to the state. Just like they do with child support.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2017 05:00 PM (TOk1P)

77 Milo is a treasure, He is under the telescope/ left and right. yet remains fearless.

who can't admire that.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 05:00 PM (iS1Cb)

78 but who cares
===
not jake tapper or jim Acosta that's for sure.

Posted by: simplemind at June 22, 2017 05:00 PM (RGWm0)

79 warts and all.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 05:00 PM (iS1Cb)

80 Kass's column at the Chi Tribune today was about dissolving Illinois as a state (Venezuela of the Midwest) and having the surrounding states absorb our hollowed out remains.

I for one will welcome our new Wisconsin
===========
That's like asking Wisconsin if they want Cancer.

Posted by: simplemind at June 22, 2017 05:01 PM (TfPyr)

81 simplemind, unfortuanely tapper is outted, he's at the mercy of BIG dead babies. or PP as most note them.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 05:01 PM (iS1Cb)

82 Bizarrely, this law (should it become one) will probably be successfully challenged on free speech grounds, with plaintiffs arguing their shutting down of free speech is their own free speech.
__________________

Not if it's worded properly.

The state can place reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions on speech.

And a university rule that prohibits students from, say, swarming a stage on which a conservative is speaking, would be a perfectly reasonable restriction.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2017 05:01 PM (nS5LK)

83 well and his fkn baby killer wife.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 05:02 PM (iS1Cb)

84 "warts and all."

Willow....

Just how close to Milo have you been?

They might not have been warts.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 05:02 PM (J+eG2)

85 I see this going the total opposite direction if it ever gets instituted...IOW...ISIS recruiters thinly disguised as Muslim orators coming to a college near you.

Posted by: Orson at June 22, 2017 05:02 PM (9PdE4)

86 Nothing -- nothing -- exemplifies the Left's hypocrisy and double-standards than this free-speech issue.

Back in 1964, when the last "old guard" of University chancellors were still in charge, who had old-timey rules discouraging any kind of politicking or indoctrination on campuses, lefty students demanded "FREE SPEECH!!!," and won the argument based on constitutional grounds.

Then 50 years passed in which the left, enabled by this ruling, slowly seized TOTAL control over the university, including the chancellorships and administration, and suddenly, now that they're in charge, the new call is "NO FREE SPEECH!!!".

This revealing that the disingenuous call for "free speech" was meant only to enable leftist speech, but not any other speech.

Posted by: zombie at June 22, 2017 05:03 PM (DQ4Fv)

87 hell I remember them inviting mohmad dirdinnerjacket because Rights to ' our speech laws"
but not us cousin kissing republican/ conservatives/libertarians.
Posted by: willow

It was obviously a move to indirectly support Obama's foreign policy initiative with Iran (the stupid Treaty that is not a treaty), so it was all good. Of course, they wanted the little shit Achminejehad (or whatever the little rat fucker's name was) to speak at Columbia, because he was such a GREAT GUY.

With government, all things are possible. And that cuts both ways.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at June 22, 2017 05:03 PM (RFeQD)

88 They'll just use non students to do the disrupting.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 22, 2017 05:03 PM (IqV8l)

89 What happened to "I know of no tapes" thread?

I know of no "I know of no tapes" thread.

I mean, one may be out there. I just don't have it.

Right now.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 22, 2017 05:04 PM (Q6Lfj)

90 This revealing = Thus revealing

Posted by: zombie at June 22, 2017 05:04 PM (DQ4Fv)

91 tapper is unfortunately a part of baby parts or us.

well because.. killing babies for the greater good of PP to seel the parts is an honorable tradition , because Children! and women of course.

yeah.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 05:04 PM (iS1Cb)

92 ...ISIS recruiters thinly disguised as Muslim orators coming to a college near you.
=========
Newsflash --- this just in ---

the entire middle eastern studies department is staffed by ISIS operators

Posted by: simplemind at June 22, 2017 05:04 PM (9IW5z)

93 http://tinyurl.com/ydbbkp3c
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 22, 2017 04:58 PM (qES5k

Shoot I'd be scared of "wheelchair girl", too.

Posted by: golfman at June 22, 2017 05:04 PM (48QDY)

94 75 Kass's column at the Chi Tribune today was about dissolving Illinois as a state (Venezuela of the Midwest) and having the surrounding states absorb our hollowed out remains.
__________________

Would they have to absorb the debt too?

Doesn't sound like much of a deal, either way.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2017 05:04 PM (nS5LK)

95 63 Walker was about the only other Republican running that I trusted.

Shame his campaign imploded.
Posted by: publix at June 22, 2017 04:56 PM (hMxr+)
--------

He's good but I think Trump showed him a few things about going "Big and Bold".

Hopefully he's learned from it for his 2024 run. (oh yeah, that's right, he's going to run again).

Posted by: WisRich at June 22, 2017 05:05 PM (G0vdT)

96 Here's how you play it. You have the invitations of conservative speakers to campus being issued specifically by female students.

Then, if the campus administration stands by and lets violent demonstrators prevent the speakers from speaking, immediately retain counsel and call a press conference. In which one of those female students can tearfully state that SHE'S BEING PICKED ON AND HAVING HER ACADEMIC FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION TRAMMELED BECAUSE SHE'S A GIRL.

Then have the Sessions DoJ and the DeVos DoE team up to drop the million pound shithammer of Title IX doom on the head of the university chancellor.

Consent decrees for everyone!!!

Posted by: torquewrench at June 22, 2017 05:05 PM (ujwCG)

97 VIA, never shook hands with the man, But I can't help but admire a guy that fights against all odds.
now that's courage.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 05:05 PM (iS1Cb)

98 the surrounding Red States would love to have southern Illinois. I drove through there two years back; seemed pretty same.

it's Crook County that ensures the Illinois-ese can't have nice things.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 22, 2017 05:05 PM (ZM/Co)

99 We could fight this First Amendment stomping if only we had enough funds. Don't let your Constitutional Rights be legislated away.

jillstein@paypal.nut

Posted by: Jill Stein at June 22, 2017 05:05 PM (l4aLi)

100 "A better option is simply to defund any universities -- for, say, a year per offense -- that don't vigillantly protect speech rights."

++++

I would agree with this strategy.

Judges have a hard time "ordering" a legislature to fund something. They really have to then drop all pretense that there is such thing as a divided government when they start controlling the purse strings.

Posted by: publix at June 22, 2017 05:05 PM (hMxr+)

101 pretty sane, I mean.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 22, 2017 05:06 PM (ZM/Co)

102 OT but did anyone see the gum chewing girl last night seated behind Trump? She of the red MAGA hat and brilliant white teeth? I think I'm in love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rockysan99 at June 22, 2017 05:06 PM (m7LQK)

103 I liked the discussion the other day about not catering to these grown student babies. (Ace had a better term for them.) If they petition to keep speakers off campus, ignore it. If they blockade the location, arrest them. If they physically assault the speaker or attendees, arrest AND sue them.
Enough coddling.

Posted by: LASue, so deplorable I might get stabbed by a crazy liberal! at June 22, 2017 05:06 PM (hZ+us)

104 "VIA, never shook hands with the man, But I can't help but admire a guy that fights against all odds.
now that's courage."

Teenage Little VIA was amazed when he started bringing up Milo.

And found out that I was already a supporter and fan.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 05:07 PM (J+eG2)

105 What about shutting down the legislature? The kids learned from the unions how to shut what they don't like down.

Posted by: Very Undude at June 22, 2017 05:07 PM (2X7pN)

106 the problem with trusting the Sessions DoJ is that it's, well, low energy

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 22, 2017 05:07 PM (ZM/Co)

107 Newsflash --- this just in ---

the entire middle eastern studies department is staffed by ISIS operators

________________________

Nah, I'm talking about the hardcore guys that wear the T-shirt that says...Give head to a sheep...and has to pictures ...one doing the deed, the other handing off a missionary's head to the flock.

Posted by: Orson at June 22, 2017 05:07 PM (9PdE4)

108 milo reminds me of Breitbart, although he might show up in drag somewhere I dunno. But pretty amazing man. nevertheless.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 05:07 PM (iS1Cb)

109 "the entire middle eastern studies department is staffed by ISIS operators"

You'll find the law schools increasingly have "institutes" and "clinics" in shariah law, and the business schools run courses in halal finance. Courtesy of generous grants by the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Emiratis and Qataris.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 22, 2017 05:07 PM (ujwCG)

110 Don't they have roads in Wisconsin that need work?

A lot of them aren't even named or numbered they're lettered, between that and liquor at the gas stations it's a wonder they haven't wiped themselves out.

Posted by: DaveA at June 22, 2017 05:08 PM (FhXTo)

111 I really think though you needs to get the federal government involved and start defunding universities that don't protect the 1st Amendment.

Obviously blue states will never have this sort of legislation, so it needs to be federal purse strings.

Posted by: publix at June 22, 2017 05:08 PM (hMxr+)

112 VIA, may his ass be covered, and people stand with him the next time he needs it.

not like the last fkn time.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 05:08 PM (iS1Cb)

113 Let's defend cock-sucking next, Mr. Johnson!!!!!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2017 04:48 PM

Not just yet...

Posted by: Winston Wolf at June 22, 2017 05:09 PM (p+Wdc)

114 Rangers win! Rangers win!

Posted by: Eromero at June 22, 2017 05:10 PM (zLDYs)

115 A better option is simply to defund any universities -- for, say, a year per offense -- that don't vigillantly protect speech rights.

Posted by: Ace

Hee's the problem, and it is a serious one:

Antifa and their allies in academia are not only trying to make is physically dangerous for conservatives to come on campus, but to make it well-known that it is dangerous for conservatives to come on campus. This is an important distinction because when the inevitable happens -- conservative speaker schedules appearance on campus, left threatens violence if he appears, university defends his appearance and it happens as scheduled, Antifa literally kills someone during the subsquent riot, parents of the dead person SUE the university (as the easiest deep-pocket defendant) for negligence and damages -- the university will have to fork over countless tens of millions, because it can be proven that the university WAS AWARE of the potential for violence, and yet let Antifa murder someone anyway.

It's an insane and frustrating tag-team dishonest Bullies' Veto, but damn it is hard to counter.

Posted by: zombie at June 22, 2017 05:10 PM (DQ4Fv)

116 Has Obama weighed in on Health Bill?
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 04:53 PM (7uYFy)

Or course...he called it a huge tax give away to the rich

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 05:11 PM (5y11N)

117 the entire middle eastern studies department is staffed by ISIS operators"

You'll find the law schools increasingly have "institutes" and "clinics" in shariah law, and the business schools run courses in halal finance. Courtesy of generous grants by the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Emiratis and Qataris.
============
Oh yeah. They have their tentacles in everywhere. Health care as well.

Its coming at us in plain sight.

No body believes its a big deal because its in plain sight. So the average smoe doesn't really think about it.

Posted by: simplemind at June 22, 2017 05:11 PM (JjBWb)

118 Require all students to sign a yearly pledge as part of the honor code that they will respect the rights of all speakers to present their views without fear of violence or threat of disruption, and that violation of this pledge will result in suspension for the rest of the academic year and being marked "incomplete" on all of that term's grades.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 22, 2017 05:12 PM (fKWf6)

119 114 Rangers win! Rangers win!
Posted by: Eromero at June 22, 2017 05:10 PM (zLDYs)

For a moment I thought you meant NY Rangers and got so confused.

The Mets haven't played yet tonight, but

SPOILER ALERT

They lose.
Someone's organ explodes.

END SPOILERS

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at June 22, 2017 05:12 PM (72PAC)

120 They'll just use non students to do the disrupting.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr

Kent State, 1970.

Let the shooting begin!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at June 22, 2017 05:13 PM (RFeQD)

121 "Well my speech isn't hate speech" has become the tepid rallying cry for what used to be a free speech culture. A few more defenders of free speech along these lines and the culture of freedom that makes free speech society is basically dead.

As the article states: "as debate has roiled over how to curb hate speech while protecting free expression and intellectual diversity."

There is no defensible legal, philosophical or grounds for creating a "hate speech" category in the first place --if you in fact believe in freedom of expression and the free exchange of ideas.

The entire concept is not only as malleable as Lena Dunham's muffin-top, but even if capable of some neutral "definition" by the Merriam-Webster Busybody Society, is entirely antithetical to the idea that I have a right to criticize, disapprove of, judge, dislike, respect or not respect anyone or any group of people. And so long as I'm not in your personal face at the time, speaking directly to you about your mother, if you don't like it, its not a free society if you get to punch me in the mouth for saying it.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 22, 2017 05:13 PM (QtQaN)

122 Or course...he called it a huge tax give away to the rich
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 22, 2017 05:11 PM (5y11N)

One trick pony

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2017 05:14 PM (7uYFy)

123 It was obviously a move to indirectly support Obama's foreign policy initiative with Iran (the stupid Treaty that is not a treaty), so it was all good. Of course, they wanted the little shit Achminejehad (or whatever the little rat fucker's name was) to speak at Columbia, because he was such a GREAT GUY.

Is that where he claimed in the Q&A that there weren't any gays in Iran?

Posted by: Very Undude at June 22, 2017 05:14 PM (2X7pN)

124 How about stripping them of their credentialling ability? So you deny freedom of speech, then your $60,000 degree in underwater lesbian basketweaving is now worthless.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at June 22, 2017 05:14 PM (hJrjt)

125 >>>>Bizarrely, this law (should it become one) will probably be successfully
challenged on free speech grounds, with plaintiffs arguing their
shutting down of free speech is their own free speech. The fact that the
state is an actor here will be held against the measure.
.
.
.Doubt it. After the recent SCOTUS ruling no one has any legal grounds to "shut someone else up".

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 22, 2017 05:15 PM (0pcwX)

126 You shouldn't have to incur the expense but I'd bring my own small army if I were a scheduled speaker and a film crew.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 05:15 PM (9GhFt)

127 Could the university be held responsible for the actions of masked thugs rampaging on campus? A car gets set on fire, the university is responsible for replacing it.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at June 22, 2017 05:16 PM (hJrjt)

128 109 "the entire middle eastern studies department is staffed by ISIS operators"

You'll find the law schools increasingly have "institutes" and "clinics" in shariah law, and the business schools run courses in halal finance. Courtesy of generous grants by the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Emiratis and Qataris.
Posted by: torquewrench

Best example:

U.C. Berkeley's "Center for Middle Eastern Studies" in Stephenson Hall, which just appeared out of nowhere one day with expensive and elaborate decorations and art and furnishings, an entirely new Department created out of the blue. Where had the money for this extravagance come from, everyone demanded? The UC administrators wouldn't say! But under threats of lawsuits, they revealed that the entire department was funded by the Saudi Royal Family -- who also therefore has remote-control over the curriculum. Ooops, whaddya know, the department defends Wahhabism and attacks israel. Surprise!

Posted by: zombie at June 22, 2017 05:16 PM (DQ4Fv)

129 I heard Schumer open his pie hole on the health care bill, millions will lose what the Democrats gave away free.

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2017 05:16 PM (Ot7+c)

130 You'll find the law schools increasingly have "institutes" and "clinics" in shariah law, and the business schools run courses in halal finance. Courtesy of generous grants by the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Emiratis and Qataris.
============
Oh yeah. They have their tentacles in everywhere. Health care as well.

Its coming at us in plain sight.

No body believes its a big deal because its in plain sight. So the average smoe doesn't really think about it.

Wait'll women can't do shit.
I'm gonna sit back and laugh. THAT'S what you'll get after telling us to STFU when we tried to tell them.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 05:16 PM (j+h+K)

131 120 They'll just use non students to do the disrupting.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr

Kent State, 1970.

Let the shooting begin!

You may be interested in our Fall Line.

Posted by: Body Bags 'R' Us at June 22, 2017 05:16 PM (l4aLi)

132 The Black Rock Desert where the massive arts rendezvous Burning Man is held annually each summer still has pools of standing water on the Nevada plans thanks to an extra wet winter season. Thousands are expected to make the trek to Gerlach, which is two hours north of Reno, to take part in Burning Man from August 27 to September 4. But the large amount of water that's still covering the desert that hosts Black Rock City, has Burning Man organizers and Bureau of Land Management (BLM) officials seemingly playing a stressful game of wait and see what happens. Black Rock Desert field office manager for the BLM said there is no 'true backup area' for Burning Man to use if another area is needed in case the water does not dry out in time.

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 22, 2017 05:17 PM (e8kgV)

133 I dunno if this fits in here, but.....abortion as a curative to racism. Would the monster babies like this, or no?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ydcnjggs

Posted by: lizabth at June 22, 2017 05:17 PM (QAGI0)

134 It's not about free speech, it's not about freedom of religion, it's not about public safety, it is about political power.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse

Exactly!

With the Left, it is ultimately always about the Powah!.

What we think of as inalienable rights and the rule of law are just things they want to manipulate for the end game. More power.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at June 22, 2017 05:18 PM (RFeQD)

135 Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 22, 2017 05:17 PM (e8kgV)

It could be like Woodstock, wet and muddy.

Posted by: Jack Sock at June 22, 2017 05:19 PM (9GhFt)

136 123 It was obviously a move to indirectly support Obama's foreign policy initiative with Iran (the stupid Treaty that is not a treaty), so it was all good. Of course, they wanted the little shit Achminejehad (or whatever the little rat fucker's name was) to speak at Columbia, because he was such a GREAT GUY.

Is that where he claimed in the Q&A that there weren't any gays in Iran?
Posted by: Very Undude at June 22, 2017 05:14 PM (2X7pN)

Yes, he did. Probably right, too, since there aren't any of a certain kind of people in a place if you kill them all.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 05:19 PM (+azJs)

137 *ponders*

"Yes little whiny child you may protest a scary speaker who threatens your safe space. But if you bring to the event a mask or any type of weapon listed as banned by the TSA you will forfeit all student aid and all such aid already given must be repaid immediately. You the whiny brat will then be placed on suspension for one year or three semesters. Re-admittance to institute of higher learning can be applied for and each case will be reviewed before a decision is reached."

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2017 05:19 PM (V3c+3)

138 It's not about free speech, it's not about freedom of religion, it's not about public safety, it is about political power.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse

Exactly!

With the Left, it is ultimately always about the Powah!.

What we think of as inalienable rights and the rule of law are just things they want to manipulate for the end game. More power.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative
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all of this

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 05:19 PM (iS1Cb)

139 Haven't colleges taking Federal $$$ already been twisted beyond recognition (well, had the ongoing twisting accelerated) by Federal laws requiring this that and the other thing of them?

So, ace, your last line there - why is the GOP (ha!), via Federal law, conditioning all Federal $$$ to academic institutions on respect for not just the First Amendment, but also due process requirements, etc?

As in this case, states should of course take the lead with state-funded colleges. But since Federal largesse has contaminated almost all schools, isn't the leverage much greater at the Federal level?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2017 05:19 PM (QDnY+)

140 121 There is no defensible legal, philosophical or grounds for creating a "hate speech" category in the first place --if you in fact believe in freedom of expression and the free exchange of ideas.

Posted by: xnycpeasant

This issue has ALREADY been decided on conclusively by the Supreme Court in the all-important "Skokie v. the KKK" case (forget its official name) in which it was ruled that even the KKK is protected under the First Amendment, which has no limits and no criteria for what counts as "hate," which is an irrelevant concept.

After that ruling, it is set in stone forever that everyone in the US has the right to say anything, no matter how "offensive" someone else may deem it.

Posted by: zombie at June 22, 2017 05:20 PM (DQ4Fv)

141 131 120 They'll just use non students to do the disrupting.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr

Kent State, 1970.

Let the shooting begin!

You may be interested in our Fall Line.
Posted by: Body Bags 'R' Us at June 22, 2017 05:16 PM (l4aLi)

You're going to sell out XXL

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 05:20 PM (+azJs)

142 "How about stripping them of their credentialling ability? So you deny
freedom of speech, then your $60,000 degree in underwater lesbian
basketweaving is now worthless."

Evergreen State is unaccredited. That hasn't stopped the snowflakes from queueing up to enroll for worthless degrees.

As for why the general public should shoulder the cost of upkeep of an unaccredited college, well, gosh, we're out of time. Thanks for being with us today.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 22, 2017 05:20 PM (ujwCG)

143 i like wisconsin bill. reminds me of wild bill hickock, another no nonsense guy!

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 22, 2017 05:20 PM (WTSFk)

144 Christ, my preschoolers got this on day one. Don't interrupt. How hard is that?

Posted by: Miss Connie at June 22, 2017 05:21 PM (LAe3v)

145 ... know what? the university of california system should hire wisonsin bill to expel some of their unruly students.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 22, 2017 05:21 PM (WTSFk)

146 Oh boy,this guy is toast.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/268219/

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 05:22 PM (rmVvL)

147 @140
I'm with you. But my point is that the law of free speech is one thing. But preserving a culture of free speech is quite another; and legitimizing a de facto (cultural) exception for "hate speech" creates a climate of more self-censorship than most governments could ever impose from the outside, i.e. not living as a free person in a free country.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 22, 2017 05:22 PM (QtQaN)

148 139
Haven't colleges taking Federal $$$ already been twisted beyond
recognition (well, had the ongoing twisting accelerated) by Federal laws
requiring this that and the other thing of them?

It still astonishes me that the human race still hasn't grasped the concept that power corrupts.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2017 05:22 PM (LAe3v)

149 146 Oh boy,this guy is toast.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/268219/
Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 05:22 PM (rmVvL)

Shortest political career on record.

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 05:23 PM (+azJs)

150 More winning, Pelosi says she's a wonderful leader and isn't stepping down.

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2017 05:23 PM (Ot7+c)

151 Don't they have disturbing the peace ordinances on the books? 30 days in the clink. Oh, you have finals next week and you'll flunk out if you're not there? Sucks to be you. I could write a note to your parents saying that you couldn't take finals due to being locked up if that would help.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 22, 2017 05:23 PM (kTF2Z)

152 Christ, my preschoolers got this on day one. Don't interrupt. How hard is that?
Posted by: Miss Connie at June 22, 2017 05:21 PM (LAe3v)

I know right?

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 05:23 PM (iS1Cb)

153 One problem, at least at Berkeley, is that many of the worst offenders are not actually students, but hangers-on in the community.

I used to see the same assholes year after year at every demonstration/ protest/ riot.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2017 05:23 PM (SRKgf)

154 I like Ace's defunding idea rather than the window-dressing oughta-be-a-law idea.

====
*ahem*

*points at nic*

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at June 22, 2017 05:23 PM (RQP0C)

155 Black Rock Desert field office manager for the BLM said there is no
'true backup area' for Burning Man to use if another area is needed in
case the water does not dry out in time.

Jeez, that's too fuckin bad...

Posted by: tu3031 at June 22, 2017 05:23 PM (qJhUV)

156 Two countries separated by a common language. In British English fags are cigarettes. Should have called them poofters. Sadly Colonial education system is in a terribly sad state of affairs.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2017 05:24 PM (V3c+3)

157 152 Christ, my preschoolers got this on day one. Don't interrupt. How hard is that?
Posted by: Miss Connie at June 22, 2017 05:21 PM (LAe3v)

I know right?
Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 05:23 PM (iS1Cb)

It helps if you yell at them.

Posted by: Det Kimble at June 22, 2017 05:24 PM (+azJs)

158 You'll find the law schools increasingly have "institutes" and "clinics" in shariah law, and the business schools run courses in halal finance. Courtesy of generous grants by the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Emiratis and Qataris.

Back before the ponytailed one's mental breakdown, he had on his site an essay written by someone about this brokered infiltration into the AP using an cash influx to produce Muslim stories.

Posted by: Jean at June 22, 2017 05:25 PM (9TU00)

159 153
One problem, at least at Berkeley, is that many of the worst offenders
are not actually students, but hangers-on in the community.

I used to see the same assholes year after year at every demonstration/ protest/ riot.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I don't understand your point.

Posted by: Van Wilder at June 22, 2017 05:25 PM (LAe3v)

160 OT: Looks like an Emperor Fuckstick appointee at State Dept got caught selling secrets to the ChiComms.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 22, 2017 05:25 PM (80X3Z)

161 145 ... know what? the university of california system should hire wisonsin bill to expel some of their unruly students.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at June 22, 2017 05:21 PM (WTSFk)

You don't get it: UC supports the assholes. The last thing they want to do is enforce rules/laws against them.

And as mentioned above, many of the worst assholes are not students in any case.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2017 05:26 PM (SRKgf)

162 And yes, "hate speech" is an utterly repugnant and indefensible abomination with no basis in any part of modern enlightened free western society.

Though it's more visible, it's no more ridiculous than the judicial malfeasance that has rendered the constitution and really all law sort of academic. Ignoring words, construing them to mean the opposite of their obvious meaning, and best of all fabricating bogus self-licking ice-cream cone concepts like "levels of scrutiny" under which courts simply decide *how much* they will limit, eliminate, or redefine rights in order to address whatever "state interest" (another mind-blowing concept that inverts the philosophical basis of our entire system) is the teen craze at the moment.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2017 05:26 PM (QDnY+)

163 150 More winning, Pelosi says she's a wonderful leader and isn't stepping down.
Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2017 05:23 PM (Ot7+c)
-------

Yep, full speed ahead with her agenda. Said she expects to take the House in 2018.

You go girl.

Posted by: WisRich at June 22, 2017 05:26 PM (G0vdT)

164 So does the Burning Man festival have to comply with all BLM land use regulations plus oh have an Environmental Impact statement and how they will mitigate how destructive their activities are to the land?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2017 05:27 PM (V3c+3)

165 Public scourging would be a better punishment.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 22, 2017 05:27 PM (QQ+il)

166 Pelosi says "How long I stay is not up to them."

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/268216/

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 05:27 PM (rmVvL)

167 Oh boy,this guy is toast.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/268219/
Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 05:22 PM (rmVvL)

Sometimes being correct is not a good thing.

Seems the one guy was egging him on.

A little too trusting.

Hmmmm.

Posted by: golfman at June 22, 2017 05:28 PM (48QDY)

168 I don't understand your point.
Posted by: Van Wilder at June 22, 2017 05:25 PM (LAe3v)

My point was that the university can't kick out people aren't enrolled at the university. Many of the worst offenders came to the city of Berkeley - or stayed there after university - just to stir up the shit. These "street people" often never attended the university.

So how are you going to kick them out? They were never IN.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2017 05:28 PM (SRKgf)

169 how fkn hard is this.
we have freedom of speech as a dealio, for speech we might personally hate

nice speech we agree with ? easy . well duh.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 05:29 PM (iS1Cb)

170 Cosby's spokespeople, Andrew Wyatt and Ebonee Benson, told "Good Day Alabama" Wednesday the comedian is planning a series of town halls this summer to educate young people about [how to avoid] sexual assault.

-
Ahhhh. BYOB?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 22, 2017 05:29 PM (Nwg0u)

171 Devastating article documenting the terror-financing Saudi connections funding the U.C. Berkeley Center for Middle Eastern Studies:

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/675

Posted by: zombie at June 22, 2017 05:29 PM (DQ4Fv)

172 166
Pelosi says "How long I stay is not up to them."

She also said "how long they stay up is not up to me. It's up to Dow Corning."

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2017 05:29 PM (LAe3v)

173 >>> Back before the ponytailed one's mental breakdown, he had on his site an essay written by someone about this brokered infiltration into the AP using an cash influx to produce Muslim stories.

AP is non-profit here in America. Overseas they are a profit making entity. Gulf States had lots of cash for their news bureaus.

Posted by: fluffy at June 22, 2017 05:29 PM (jw2Xw)

174 My point was that the university can't kick out people aren't enrolled
at the university. Many of the worst offenders came to the city of
Berkeley - or stayed there after university - just to stir up the shit.
These "street people" often never attended the university.

So how are you going to kick them out? They were never IN.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Perhaps check the nic.

Posted by: Van Wilder at June 22, 2017 05:30 PM (LAe3v)

175 164 So does the Burning Man festival have to comply with all BLM land use regulations plus oh have an Environmental Impact statement and how they will mitigate how destructive their activities are to the land?
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2017 05:27 PM (V3c+3)

Yeah, they do, actually.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 05:30 PM (+azJs)

176 I believe the problem with university these days are realiance of foreign funders and ..
well left wings freaks that actually wnt to reshape the country into a more stalin controllable environement for their financial prosperity.

it isn't about idealism as much as about rewarding themselves with the countries flaming out.

Posted by: willow at June 22, 2017 05:31 PM (iS1Cb)

177 So does the Burning Man festival have to comply with
all BLM land use regulations plus oh have an Environmental Impact
statement and how they will mitigate how destructive their activities
are to the land?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2017 05:27 PM (V3c+3)

At least according to the Burning Man website and information that I could find... yes. They're supposed to be pretty strict about leaving the site as clean as they found it, including hauling out wastewater.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 22, 2017 05:31 PM (fKWf6)

178 Well, the oven is hot. Fava beans are simmering. I gotta eat somebody.

Posted by: Hannibal Lector at June 22, 2017 05:31 PM (m9X4Y)

179 Curses, foiled again.

https://youtu.be/Phk4Pgj_y7w

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2017 05:31 PM (V3c+3)

180 So does the Burning Man festival have to comply with all BLM land use
regulations plus oh have an Environmental Impact statement and how they
will mitigate how destructive their activities are to the land?

How exactly does one mitigate a gigaton of precious smug?

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2017 05:32 PM (LAe3v)

181 Oh boy,this guy is toast.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/268219/
Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 05:22 PM (rmVvL)

The next Political Squirrel to chase! Trumps toxic environment of aggression and raisissss!

Posted by: Max Power at June 22, 2017 05:32 PM (q177U)

182 Layer upon layer of politician-lawyer bull-s. No more silly laws, please. Drag anti-speechers and university admins into federal court on first amendment civil rights violations. Or use phony DC non-profit 501(3)c lawyer scam charities and sue the university admins for $$$$.

Go after the administrators first.

Posted by: 13times at June 22, 2017 05:32 PM (WHVu+)

183 Oh boy,this guy is toast.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/268219/

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Hmmmmm. Suboptimal.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 22, 2017 05:32 PM (Nwg0u)

184
More winning, Pelosi says she's a wonderful leader and isn't stepping down.

I would miss her crazy eyes, deranged smile and babbling nonsensical gibberish. She is a national treasure.

Posted by: tu3031 at June 22, 2017 05:32 PM (qJhUV)

185 So how are you going to kick them out? They were never IN.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2017 05:28 PM (SRKgf)

You can't kick them out, but you can punish the ones around them giving them cover.

Little Susie isn't going to be too eager to provide cover for Johnny if it means she has to tell mommy and daddy that she was suspended from school for a year. They might demand that she get a job.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 22, 2017 05:33 PM (fKWf6)

186 166 Pelosi says "How long I stay is not up to them."

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/268216/
Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 05:27 PM (rmVvL)

That's actually... not true, right? Isn't the minority leader elected by the other members?

Nothing will top the statement she made when Democrats regained control of the House early in the Bush administration, though. "The gavel is now in the hands of the children." Hahahaha.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 05:33 PM (+azJs)

187 Well, the narrative for the next 2 weeks has been decided.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 22, 2017 05:33 PM (udajc)

188 Ahhhh. BYOB?
________________

Bring your own Benadryl?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 22, 2017 05:33 PM (nS5LK)

189 160 OT: Looks like an Emperor Fuckstick appointee at State Dept got caught selling secrets to the ChiComms.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 22, 2017 05:25 PM (80X3Z)

+++

Probably nothing. What is important (according to Yahoo) is that Trump did some sort of faux pas boo-boo on the golf course.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 22, 2017 05:33 PM (wI4ew)

190 How exactly does one mitigate a gigaton of precious smug?
Posted by: pep at June 22, 2017 05:32 PM (LAe3v)

By praising free trade coffee five times a day.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 05:34 PM (+azJs)

191 Bring Your Own Bewbs?

"Sit down Joey Bidet, not talking about you."

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2017 05:34 PM (V3c+3)

192 Notice how the WaPo agrees with the premise that "hate speech" needs to be curbed?

THERE IS NO SUCH FUCKING THING AS "HATE SPEECH"

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 22, 2017 05:34 PM (lfVQ1)

193 "The conduct alleged in this complaint is serious, and these charges should send a message to anyone who would consider violating the public's trust and compromising our national security by disclosing classified information," Dana Boente, acting assistant attorney general for national security and the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, said in a statement.

FBI officials disclosed that Mallory lied about his actions in interviews with federal investigators.

"Kevin Mallory was previously entrusted with Top Secret clearance and therefore had access to classified information, which he allegedly shared and planned to continue sharing with representatives of a foreign government," Andrew W. Vale, assistant director in charge of the FBI's Washington Field Office, said in a statement.

"Furthermore, he allegedly misled investigators in a voluntary interview about sharing of this classified information," Vale said. "The FBI will continue to investigate those individuals who put our national security at risk through unauthorized disclosures of information."

The Chinese spy Mallory allegedly worked with claimed that he was working for a Chinese-government sponsored think tank called the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences. China is known for using think tanks as cover for its clandestine spy activities.

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at June 22, 2017 05:34 PM (e8kgV)

194 I encourage Nancy Pelosi to fight to the bitter, bitter end.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2017 05:35 PM (oVJmc)

195 >>>So does the Burning Man festival have to comply with all BLM land use regulations

Well now they have to hire a lifeguard, and install a wheelchair access safety ramp in case the lifeguard is disabled (and a lactation clean room regardless of gender)

Posted by: Max Power at June 22, 2017 05:35 PM (q177U)

196 What xnycpeasant said.

The *concept* of "hate speech" is absurd and repugnant. No such animal.

No such thing as "hate crime", either. Actually bothers me that morons here use the term without quotes and/or derision.

I was ring-side when the whole concept of "hate crime" was launched at the congressional level. Just as a reminder of how far the civic culture has declined, at that time (20 or so years ago), even the chief lobbyist for a major "civil rights" outfit (a social acquaintance) just rolled his eyes and said "don't ask!" when I tortured, humorously, him over the idiotic concept. Back then - even lefties recognized what a stupid concept it was - now? It's entered the vocabulary of even non-blue-city law enforcement - and the statutes of many states.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2017 05:35 PM (QDnY+)

197 Oh boy,this guy is toast.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/268219/
Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 05:22 PM (rmVvL)

DC interns are the *worst*. There was a website a few years ago that let folks dish about just how blindingly stupid and entitled these kids were.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 22, 2017 05:37 PM (lfVQ1)

198 Walker was my first choice also but if a guys claim to fame is fiscal reasonability and his campaign runs out of money before a single vote is cast he might have been the best choice.

Posted by: Big V at June 22, 2017 05:37 PM (NX0K0)

199 197 Oh boy,this guy is toast.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/268219/
Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 05:22 PM (rmVvL)

DC interns are the *worst*. There was a website a few years ago that let folks dish about just how blindingly stupid and entitled these kids were.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 22, 2017 05:37 PM (lfVQ1)

If I were working for free I'd probably be a dick too.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 05:37 PM (+azJs)

200 Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 05:27 PM (rmVvL)

I'd be up for an internecine Democrat fight!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 22, 2017 05:38 PM (qES5k)

201 Perhaps check the nic.
Posted by: Van Wilder at June 22, 2017 05:30 PM (LAe3v)

Now I don't understand. Pop cultural reference?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2017 05:38 PM (SRKgf)

202 193 So I guess he had intent.

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 05:39 PM (rmVvL)

203 @162
And yes, "hate speech" is an utterly repugnant and indefensible abomination with no basis in any part of modern enlightened free western society.

Though it's more visible, it's no more ridiculous than the judicial malfeasance that has rendered the constitution and really all law sort of academic. Ignoring words, construing them to mean the opposite of their obvious meaning, and best of all fabricating bogus self-licking ice-cream cone concepts like "levels of scrutiny" under which courts simply decide *how much* they will limit, eliminate, or redefine rights in order to address whatever "state interest" (another mind-blowing concept that inverts the philosophical basis of our entire system) is the teen craze at the moment." rhomboid

I think that the original sin of limited government, in my view, was unrestrained judicial review, which (in its widespread acceptance) effectively created and priest-class of the Constitution and limited government, according to which The People have accepted their right to be told what does or does infringe upon The People.

Not far behind is the entire concept of "discrimination" law . --which was the first bold experiment to judicially blur the lines between thought and action, so as to create the special crime of doing something you'd have the right to do, so long as you did it for the right, goodthink reason.

Sounded like a good idea at the time, to end the evils of job and housing discrimination based on race. But when this became the norm for a generation or two, we really solidified the acceptance of Thoughtcrime as a legitimate part of America (hate crimes, hate speech and the whole edifice of political correctness).

There are posters in the NYC subways asking anyone to "report incidents of bias" to the Governer's office. Excuse me? "Bias" not even in relation to a job? The implication is that if I don't kow tow to your identity politics I'm a thought criminal and should be reported to the authorities. This is where we are, law or no law, Supreme Court or no Supreme Court.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 22, 2017 05:39 PM (QtQaN)

204
Little Susie isn't going to be too eager to provide cover for Johnny if it means she has to tell mommy and daddy that she was suspended from school for a year. They might demand that she get a job.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 22, 2017 05:33 PM (fKWf6)

-------------

More than likely, little Susie's parents would sue the school in federal court to get her reinstated.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 22, 2017 05:39 PM (kTF2Z)

205 Next you're going to tell me that congressional interns drink to an alarming excess, fuck like rabbits, and walk around with an obnoxious sense of entitlement.

I'm shocked. Really, this is my shocked face.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 22, 2017 05:39 PM (fKWf6)

206 Now I don't understand. Pop cultural reference?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Yup. A B-movie some years back about a guy who never wanted to leave college. Because why would he?

Posted by: Van Wilder at June 22, 2017 05:39 PM (LAe3v)

207
Probably nothing. What is important (according to Yahoo) is that Trump did some sort of faux pas boo-boo on the golf course.
Posted by: washrivergal at June 22, 2017 05:33 PM (wI4ew)

Sometimes he does make me think the character Al Czervik was based on him

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 22, 2017 05:40 PM (lKyWE)

208 205
Next you're going to tell me that congressional interns drink to an
alarming excess, fuck like rabbits, and walk around with an obnoxious
sense of entitlement.

Now, these intern jobs, is there an age limit?

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2017 05:40 PM (LAe3v)

209 151 Don't they have disturbing the peace ordinances on the books? 30 days in the clink. Oh, you have finals next week and you'll flunk out if you're not there? Sucks to be you. I could write a note to your parents saying that you couldn't take finals due to being locked up if that would help.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 22, 2017 05:23 PM (kTF2Z)

Would daily jail cell buggerings be scheduled?

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at June 22, 2017 05:40 PM (hJrjt)

210 Little known fact about Burning Man -- it started at Baker beach, S.F., across town from me. I almost went before it moved to the desert but just didn't feel like being out in the Sun.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 22, 2017 05:41 PM (dZ756)

211 Probably nothing. What is important (according to Yahoo) is that Trump did some sort of faux pas boo-boo on the golf course.
Posted by: washrivergal at June 22, 2017 05:33 PM (wI4ew)

It's his own COURSE.

Posted by: golfman at June 22, 2017 05:41 PM (48QDY)

212 So in NYC if you report a suspicious muslim you than get reported for bias.If you see something,say something.

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 05:41 PM (rmVvL)

213 Honestly I think the people should sort this out with the government getting even more involved. I'm with rickb223 - an old fashioned beatdown is the cure for what ails these little buttholes.

Posted by: mx4 at June 22, 2017 05:41 PM (A38cw)

214 DC interns are the *worst*. There was a website a few years ago that
let folks dish about just how blindingly stupid and entitled these kids
were.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 22, 2017 05:37 PM (lfVQ1)

Story I posted from Insty...

I met a
girl one New Year's Eve and ended up partying with her and her friends.
She was going off to DC to work as an intern for the local Senator. A few months later a
new Battalion commander arrived, who happened to have just finished a
stint as a military aide to the local Senator. I mentioned the girl's
name and his eyes went wide.
"Oh yeah, I know her." He said. "She was kicked out of the intern housing for being an absolutely fall-down drunk partier."
Moral of the story is... 20-year-olds close to power, alone in a city with far too much wealth, will probably behave like jackasses and talk like douchebags. This is nothing new.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 22, 2017 05:42 PM (fKWf6)

215 Ryan Reynold's was Van Wilder wasn't he?

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 05:42 PM (rmVvL)

216 Black Rock Desert field office manager for the BLM said there is no
'true backup area' for Burning Man to use if another area is needed in
case the water does not dry out in time.

Just call it Soggy Man.

Posted by: Under Fire at June 22, 2017 05:42 PM (l4aLi)

217 @212
It gets better. We are instructed that "discrimination" based on "legal status" will get you reported to the NYC "Human Rights Commission."

So its illegal to hire illegals. Unless of course you ask if someone's illegal. That would be illegal.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 22, 2017 05:42 PM (QtQaN)

218 All this talk of expelling SJW's from a campus for being douche bags is giving me a hard on.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 22, 2017 05:43 PM (C0ifs)

219 150 More winning, Pelosi says she's a wonderful leader and isn't stepping down.
Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2017 05:23 PM (Ot7+c)
-------

Yep, full speed ahead with her agenda. Said she expects to take the House in 2018.

You go girl.
Posted by: WisRich at June 22, 2017 05:26 PM (G0vdT)

I just wish she'd waited till tomorrow to make this announcement. It would be a great end to a wonderful week.

Posted by: LASue, so deplorable I might get stabbed by a crazy liberal! at June 22, 2017 05:43 PM (hZ+us)

220 217 Don't ask,don't tell.

Posted by: steevy at June 22, 2017 05:43 PM (rmVvL)

221 Sometimes being correct is not a good thing.

Seems the one guy was egging him on.

A little too trusting.

Hmmmm.

Posted by: golfman

I wish it wasn't so, but when so many of certain groups are visibly and loudly seen to be on one side of the divide (never mind that this isn't monolithic, or maybe even a majority, and that it may well be a media illusion), and that side treats the other like absolute shit, well, some of that resentment's gonna transfer. And that will inevitably go to Very Bad Places.

One of my ironclad rules: You Can't Handwave Human Nature.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 22, 2017 05:44 PM (AM1GF)

222 The Burning Man festival and BLM? People may not know that any supposed gathering of people greater than 45(?) triggers special use permits. I think the playa south of Gerlach is called the Smoke Creek desert. North playa is the Black Rock desert. The northern end of the playa and surrounds were listed Wilderness and greatly limits all sort of public use. I used to go the black rock every spring and camp for four or five days. BLM and the Indian tribal police are 100% aholes. Especially the tribal cops. Badges? We don't need no stinkin badges, white boy.

Check wiki: King Lear Peak (my photograph) shows the extreme north playa. Found blast agate at the base of the mountain.

Posted by: 13times at June 22, 2017 05:44 PM (WHVu+)

223 Are they going to do anything about universities slapping on last minute security fees for conservative speakers as well? Because that is what some places have done. Giving them short notice that they have to pony up an additional thousand dollars or more for security or else the event is cancelled.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 22, 2017 05:45 PM (z/Ubi)

224 My point was that the university can't kick out people aren't enrolled at the university. Many of the worst offenders came to the city of Berkeley - or stayed there after university - just to stir up the shit. These "street people" often never attended the university.

So how are you going to kick them out? They were never IN.

Criminal trespass if they are on university property without a legit reason.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 05:45 PM (j+h+K)

225
So its illegal to hire illegals. Unless of course you ask if someone's illegal. That would be illegal.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 22, 2017 05:42 PM (QtQaN)

+++

According to Drudge, there are 1.4 million illegals using swiped SS numbers. I'm guessing the number is much, much higher. These are the people who need to be rounded up and deported first. They are blatantly breaking the law with no regard for the victims of these crimes. It is appalling.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 22, 2017 05:47 PM (wI4ew)

226 I always assumed Burning Man was a bunch of Leftists

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2017 05:47 PM (Ot7+c)

227 Are they going to do anything about universities slapping on last minute security fees for conservative speakers as well? Because that is what some places have done. Giving them short notice that they have to pony up an additional thousand dollars or more for security or else the event is cancelled.
Posted by: Buzzion

Get a contract in writing. Sue for breach of contract when they try to pull that shit. Contract law is pretty cut and dried.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 05:48 PM (j+h+K)

228 Daniel Day-Lewis played Wisconsin Bill in the movie, right?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2017 05:48 PM (LTHVh)

229 Criminal trespass if they are on university property without a legit reason.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 05:45 PM (j+h+K)
The law is only as good as the people enforcing it. That's why all those antifa pukes got away with their rioting in Berkeley. None of the local or university cops did anything to stop them or make any arrests.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 22, 2017 05:48 PM (FAo3p)

230 228 Daniel Day-Lewis played Wisconsin Bill in the movie, right?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2017 05:48 PM (LTHVh)

Cheeeesage!!!

Posted by: Insomniac at June 22, 2017 05:49 PM (0mRoj)

231 No one is preventing their speech - they are just setting the format for organized debate. Free speech doesn't mean you get to break into the radio station and commandeer the microphone. You can, but you'll get arrested. Are the cops interfering with your right to free speech? of course not.

In fact, I'm certain, that conservative campus speakers would absolutely RELISH the opportunity to fairly debate any of these progressive goons in some sort of organized and safe way.

Posted by: Evergreen Student cowering in his dorm at June 22, 2017 05:49 PM (UgF8H)

232 One of my ironclad rules: You Can't Handwave Human Nature.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at June 22, 2017 05:44 PM (AM1GF)

Right. As such, it seems there were several different conversations recorded. Recorded. Wonder if any laws were broken?

One of my ironclad rules... don't trust anyone and watch what you say.

Except at the HQ.

Posted by: golfman at June 22, 2017 05:49 PM (48QDY)

233 Well back to writing more about Tanya's adventures.

http://astore.amazon.com/aoshq-20/detail/B071NQQMPK

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2017 05:51 PM (V3c+3)

234 Criminal trespass if they are on university property without a legit reason.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 05:45 PM (j+h+K)

I don't think they can do that at public universities.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 05:51 PM (+azJs)

235 Next you're going to tell me that congressional interns drink to an

alarming excess, fuck like rabbits, and walk around with an obnoxious

sense of entitlement.

I had two roommates in college that went down there one summer for internships. They actually took two that applied to what they wanted to do in the future, one at the Smithsonian the other at the Library of Congress. They actually gained some skills from it.
They could party with the best but actually had to go to work in the morning, so their partying got limited to the weekends. But they lived in the dorms with the congressional interns and, yes, that about covers it.

Posted by: tu3031 at June 22, 2017 05:51 PM (qJhUV)

236 One of my ironclad rules... don't trust anyone and watch what you say.

Except at the HQ.

Posted by: golfman at June 22, 2017 05:49 PM (48QDY)
I like the way you think! kthxbye

Posted by: Bob at NSA at June 22, 2017 05:51 PM (FAo3p)

237 Criminal trespass if they are on university property without a legit reason.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 05:45 PM (j+h+K)

I don't think they can do that at public universities.
Posted by: Ace's liver

Then start paying hobos to take up residence.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 05:52 PM (j+h+K)

238 illegals using swiped SS numbers...These are the people who need to be rounded up and deported first. They are blatantly breaking the law with no regard for the victims of these crimes. It is appalling.
Posted by: washrivergal at June 22, 2017 05:47 PM (wI4ew)

Ha. We HAD one at work. Got a letter from the IRS static stating that his SSN was bogus/stolen. ALso said that we could not dismiss this person for this reason.

Posted by: golfman at June 22, 2017 05:53 PM (48QDY)

239
Then start paying hobos to take up residence.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 05:52 PM (j+h+K)

Just what they need more professors

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 22, 2017 05:54 PM (lKyWE)

240 It's a start, at least. Or a start to a conversation that's badly needed. Yet with Hollywood's silence on the issue and the occasionally MSM op-ed gently approving of the Heckler's Veto, there's plenty of work to be done.

Posted by: Christian Toto at June 22, 2017 05:54 PM (GppXG)

241 Ha. We HAD one at work. Got a letter from the IRS static stating that his SSN was bogus/stolen. ALso said that we could not dismiss this person for this reason.

Get creative. Take out a credit card in his name. Use it once. Call local police haven't charged with credit card fraud.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 05:55 PM (j+h+K)

242 Ha. We HAD one at work. Got a letter from the IRS static stating that his SSN was bogus/stolen. ALso said that we could not dismiss this person for this reason.
Posted by: golfman at June 22, 2017 05:53 PM (48QDY)

+++

Un-effing believable. These people are treated better than ambassadors. How in the hell did this ever get to this stage?

Posted by: washrivergal at June 22, 2017 05:55 PM (wI4ew)

243 237 Criminal trespass if they are on university property without a legit reason.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 05:45 PM (j+h+K)

I don't think they can do that at public universities.
Posted by: Ace's liver

Then start paying hobos to take up residence.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 22, 2017 05:52 PM (j+h+K)

Yeah, that was called "OWS".

Actually, when I was in school there was perpetually some kind of sit in near the school library. The reasons changed every day, but it was always the same people and their tents stinking up the place.

So the school made it illegal to sleep on school grounds. The cops would swing by and try to catch them sleeping so they could be arrested.

One night during finals week they complained there were students sleeping in the library, so the cops went in and arrested a guy who had fallen asleep studying for a final the next day.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 05:57 PM (+azJs)

244 Is Wisconson Bill any relation to Michigan J. ?

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 22, 2017 05:57 PM (lIZQs)

245 242
Ha. We HAD one at work. Got a letter from the IRS static stating that
his SSN was bogus/stolen. ALso said that we could not dismiss this
person for this reason.

Posted by: golfman at June 22, 2017 05:53 PM (48QDY)

+++

Un-effing believable. These people are treated better than ambassadors. How in the hell did this ever get to this stage?

Posted by: washrivergal at June 22, 2017 05:55 PM (wI4ew)
If you are caught breaking the law, surely those are grounds for immediate termination? It sure is in my office.

Posted by: IC at June 22, 2017 05:57 PM (a0IVu)

246 >>>I just wish she'd waited till tomorrow to make this announcement. It would be a great end to a wonderful week.

Oh honey, you aint seen nothin yet

Posted by: FRIDAY at June 22, 2017 05:57 PM (q177U)

247 If you are caught breaking the law, surely those are grounds for immediate termination? It sure is in my office.
Posted by: IC at June 22, 2017 05:57 PM (a0IVu)

Where I work you get bounced if you lie about anything on your application.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 05:58 PM (+azJs)

248 I missed more good threads today working.

I liked "And if you need to shoot somebody, shoot 'em a lot."

Words to live by.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2017 05:59 PM (LTHVh)

249 You know, it used to be there was the crime, the physical act. Then there was intent, which mitigated the crime. Manslaughter versus murder.

At some point we decided to do away with the crime entirely and just have intent. That is what hate speech is - it is just "intent" with no associated crime. The we decided to define hate speech down ever further, to it being normal speech but with some sort of hateful intent to be derived later in a kangaroo court.

We need to prosecuting only actions and using intent to magnify or reduce sentences, and get rid of crimes that are intent only.

Alternately start fucking prosecuting radical leftists and Muslims in this country for intent every day, because they intend to murder us, and are certainly not shy about saying it.

Posted by: Evergreen Student cowering in his dorm at June 22, 2017 05:59 PM (UgF8H)

250 Yep, full speed ahead with her agenda. Said she expects to take the House in 2018.

You go girl.

Posted by: WisRich at June 22, 2017 05:26 PM (G0vdT)
Heh heh. You are fantastic Nancy, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Posted by: IC at June 22, 2017 06:00 PM (a0IVu)

251 I saw Wisconsin Bill open for Commander Cody back in '82 at the Cow Palace.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at June 22, 2017 06:01 PM (Tyii7)

252 How in the hell did this ever get to this stage?

Posted by: washrivergal at June 22, 2017 05:55 PM (wI4ew)

We don't know.

Posted by: GOP at June 22, 2017 06:03 PM (l4aLi)

253 Heh heh. You are fantastic Nancy, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Posted by: IC at June 22, 2017 06:00 PM (a0IVu)

+++

It's going to be interesting. She's like royalty in the Demtard party. I think they're all pretty in awe of her powers and probably don't say "Boo" without an invite.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 22, 2017 06:03 PM (wI4ew)

254 Yeah Nancy is safe because too many of the others in the house are psychotic like her and from the districts that like it that way. They are not a national party. They are the party of California and New York.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 22, 2017 06:03 PM (z/Ubi)

255 Tom Perez tells the hags on the View that the Dems are going to take 50 seats in 2018, based on Nate Silvers projection...okay then..

Posted by: IC at June 22, 2017 06:03 PM (a0IVu)

256 We don't know.
Posted by: GOP at June 22, 2017 06:03 PM (l4aLi)

+++

*sadly laughs*

Posted by: washrivergal at June 22, 2017 06:04 PM (wI4ew)

257 Hold my beer

Posted by: Some judge in liberaland at June 22, 2017 06:04 PM (CDETr)

258 Yep, full speed ahead with her agenda. Said she expects to take the House in 2018.

You go girl.

Posted by: WisRich at June 22, 2017 05:26 PM (G0vdT)
Heh heh. You are fantastic Nancy, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

-
You're good enough, you're smart enough, and, dog gone it, people like you.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 22, 2017 06:04 PM (Nwg0u)

259 Just issue all-season hunting permits for black-masked and hooded antifas with no limit. Male and sow pelts bring in the same bounty. Gut piles get sent to local prisons for goulash makings.

Posted by: Botherhood Of Sneaky Snipers at June 22, 2017 06:04 PM (9Iv5S)

260 California is so bizarre - sometimes living here, no matter how beautiful it is, is very demoralizing because you feel almost no one shares your conservative values. Which is why I hang out here I suppose.

Posted by: IC at June 22, 2017 06:05 PM (a0IVu)

261 Another NOOD

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 22, 2017 06:06 PM (J+eG2)

262 Free speech may require some free beat downs.

Posted by: f'd at June 22, 2017 06:07 PM (BO/km)

263 Many of the worst offenders came to the city of Berkeley - or stayed there after university - just to stir up the shit. These "street people" often never attended the university.

--

Are you one of those outside agitators? Because I won't stand for that.

Posted by: Norman Fell to Dustin Hoffman at June 22, 2017 06:07 PM (mQ0Mc)

264 Tom Perez tells the hags on the View that the Dems are going to take 50
seats in 2018, based on Nate Silvers projection...okay then..

Nate Silver? The guy who got it wrong EVERY TIME about Trump?

Good luck with that, Perez.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2017 06:08 PM (oVJmc)

265 Guy that does the lawn here lost two of his crew of three brownies last week to ICE.

Says it's happening all over here in far NW Chicagoland.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 22, 2017 06:08 PM (WpPbD)

266 He's good but I think Trump showed him a few things about going "Big and Bold".

Hopefully he's learned from it for his 2024 run. (oh yeah, that's right, he's going to run again).
Posted by: WisRich at June 22, 2017 05:05 PM (G0vdT)

And the next time some jerk-off reporter asks him if he believes in evolution, he should say, "I'll answer that question just as soon as you define punctuated equilibrium and gradualism for me. Go!"

Posted by: JuJuBee at June 22, 2017 06:10 PM (dargh)

267 Your free speech rights end when they infringe on mine

Posted by: Bill R. at June 22, 2017 06:10 PM (IuYIh)

268 260 California is so bizarre - sometimes living here, no matter how beautiful it is, is very demoralizing because you feel almost no one shares your conservative values. Which is why I hang out here I suppose.
Posted by: IC at June 22, 2017 06:05 PM (a0IVu)

Sacramento area here. Believe it or not, once upon a time this state was actually conservative.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 22, 2017 06:10 PM (ujg0T)

269 IC @ 260- Too bad you have to live in Kalifornia. ETEX is a pretty good place to live and work. I have to deal with crazy people at work, but none of my friends or associates are crazy.

Posted by: Eromero at June 22, 2017 06:11 PM (zLDYs)

270 space news: astronomers are suspecting a Mars mass object 60AU out. this isn't Planet Nine and, by our new definitions, isn't a planet.

it is suspected mainly because it is not a planet: instead of clearing out its own orbit, it is warping the orbits of other Kuiper Belt objects near it.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 22, 2017 06:12 PM (JEVs+)

271 Cotton's intern, black. Also was fired.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 22, 2017 06:12 PM (npdX6)

272 Disorderly conduct is not protected speech. QED.

Posted by: Apostate at June 22, 2017 06:12 PM (n1dE4)

273 Nate Silver is so wrong he should be licking Dick Morris' feet.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at June 22, 2017 06:13 PM (JEVs+)

274 Guy that does the lawn here lost two of his crew of three brownies last week to ICE.

Says it's happening all over here in far NW Chicagoland.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 22, 2017 06:08 PM (WpPbD)

He's screwed. No options. Hard to run a weed eater when you're carrying your AK or protesting at U of C.

Posted by: golfman at June 22, 2017 06:14 PM (48QDY)

275 If the system is anything like the one here (and it is I'm sure), they show up with hat in hand to the legislature every two years for more money. Preceding this will be numerous articles in local papers about how boy howdy that tuition just has to go up again we need more money. The tuition increase is the threat to shake out more tax dollars. Then when the payoff is made, the tuition goes up anyway (just not as much as threatened).

Cue smiley GOPe idiot happily handing over that check to the tenured radicals.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 22, 2017 06:14 PM (4ErVI)

276 "Sacramento area here. Believe it or not, once upon a time this state was actually conservative."

I live in Reagan country, well what used to be Reagan country, and you can't believe the things I've seen.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 22, 2017 06:15 PM (npdX6)

277 I live in Reagan country, well what used to be Reagan country, and you can't believe the things I've seen.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 22, 2017 06:15 PM (npdX6)

Oh believe me I can. Anyway, the Irony Of Cold War Victory is that the Patriot Right folded up in California, and the Commiecrat Left was, well, all that was left.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 22, 2017 06:16 PM (ujg0T)

278 277, My husband remembers the way California used to be..its pretty sad to see what has happened.

Posted by: IC at June 22, 2017 06:18 PM (a0IVu)

279 268 260 California is so bizarre - sometimes living here, no matter how beautiful it is, is very demoralizing because you feel almost no one shares your conservative values. Which is why I hang out here I suppose.
Posted by: IC at June 22, 2017 06:05 PM (a0IVu)

Sacramento area here. Believe it or not, once upon a time this state was actually conservative.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 22, 2017 06:10 PM (ujg0T)

Yep. This is the state that, once upon a time, elected Ronald Reagan governor. Where I grew up the local area was very conservative - when I left Orange County we had our first Democratic representative in ages. Back then Southern California had a lot of relatively well paid defense and manufacturing jobs. They used to make cars in Van Nuys.

But the demographics are much different now. The middle class left with the middle class jobs. The part of the "working class" that actually works left as the state was overrun with illegals willing to work under the table for half the price.

Now it's just illegals, retired people, a handful of techies, and a bunch of the super-rich. That's a Democratic voter base. It's also a recipe for bankruptcy.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 06:20 PM (+azJs)

280 Yep. This is the state that, once upon a time, elected Ronald Reagan governor. Where I grew up the local area was very conservative - when I left Orange County we had our first Democratic representative in ages. Back then Southern California had a lot of relatively well paid defense and manufacturing jobs. They used to make cars in Van Nuys.

But the demographics are much different now. The middle class left with the middle class jobs. The part of the "working class" that actually works left as the state was overrun with illegals willing to work under the table for half the price.

Now it's just illegals, retired people, a handful of techies, and a bunch of the super-rich. That's a Democratic voter base. It's also a recipe for bankruptcy.
Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 06:20 PM (+azJs)

Meanwhile, up North, defense jobs also folded up and military bases closed. In a way that was karmic--liberal Demunists like then Congresswoman Barbara Boxer deserved to have her Hamilton Air force Base close--but it had the effect of making Commiecrat districts that much more Commiecrat.

At one time, Silicon Valley made hardware rather than software. And the loss of the former meant also a lot of Patriots bailing out of the area.

Meanwhile, the poisonous ideology of "multiculturalism" meant ethnics subject to leftist indoctrination at the very least, and 5th column dubious loyalty at the worst.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 22, 2017 06:24 PM (ujg0T)

281 Hard to run a weed eater when you're carrying your AK

That's a common misconception. The Rhodesian or "African" Carry leaves both hands free.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2017 06:28 PM (LTHVh)

282 281 Hard to run a weed eater when you're carrying your AK

That's a common misconception. The Rhodesian or "African" Carry leaves both hands free.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2017 06:28 PM (LTHVh)

Is that the one where you use the pistol grip on your short-barreled AK to wave it, one handed, in the general direction of the people you want to shoot plus dozens of innocent bystanders?. It really only works with gas powered weed eaters, since you can get tripped up by the cord on electrics.

Posted by: Ace's liver at June 22, 2017 06:38 PM (+azJs)

283 Going about it the wrong way.

Pass legislation that makes it a requirement that university administrators and employees affirmatively act to protect free speech and other rights. Ensure that failing to do so is a termination offense. Make sure it is actionable as a tort, and further that said individual - acting outside of the express will and policy of the legislature - shall be personally liable, and no public money used for their defense. And that any money the school has to pay out will be deducted from bonuses and severance, if any.

You can extend this to mandate they defend viewpoint neutrality, freedom of religion, speech, assembly, formation of clubs - and by threatening their sinecure, thes4e assclowns will shape up tuit suite.

Posted by: Wicked Fenrir at June 22, 2017 09:28 PM (C/wEj)

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