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US Shoots Down Syrian Plane
A U.S. strike aircraft shot down a Syrian government fighter jet Sunday shortly after the Syrians bombed U.S.-backed fighters in northern Syria, the Pentagon said in a statement. The Pentagon said the downing of the aircraft came hours after Syrian loyalist forces attacked U.S.-backed fighters, known as the Syrian Democratic Forces, in the village of Ja'Din, southwest of Raqqa. The rare attack was the first time a U.S. jet has shot down a manned hostile aircraft in more than a decade, and it signaled the United States' sharply intensifying role in Syria's war. The incident is the fourth time within a month that the U.S. military has attacked pro-Syrian government forces.Syria claims the jet was attacking ISIS forces, and the US says that's total bullshit. Russia, which supposedly hacked the election in favor of Donald Trump and has a huge Kompromat File on him they can use to force him to do their bidding, is now threatening to track, and maybe even shoot down, every flying thing in the skies over Syria in response to the US shootdown. They've also turned off the "deconfliction" hotline which allows US and Russia to make sure we're not shooting at each other.
The country's defence ministry said it would track US-led coalition aircraft with missile systems and military aircraft, but stopped short of saying it would shoot them down. A hotline set up between Russia and the US to prevent mid-air collisions will also be suspended. "All kinds of airborne vehicles, including aircraft and UAVs of the international coalition detected to the west of the Euphrates River will be tracked by the Russian SAM systems as air targets," the Russian Defence Ministry said in a statement.
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First??
Posted by: jayhawkone at June 19, 2017 03:36 PM (ZD+J8)
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Top ten?
Posted by: Country Boy at June 19, 2017 03:37 PM (D2vc1)
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get us out Trump. fuck those people. we have oil.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 19, 2017 03:38 PM (nFwvY)
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Third, it was after that plane attacked out forces I think
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2017 03:38 PM (Ot7+c)
Posted by: Country Boy at June 19, 2017 03:38 PM (D2vc1)
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I'm sure the media will highlight how PDT is conducting foreign policy without regard to the purported strings held by the Russian puppetmasters. It's great to see the US is no longer leading from behind.
Posted by: jayhawkone at June 19, 2017 03:39 PM (ZD+J8)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 19, 2017 03:40 PM (SRKgf)
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Is that 'Deconflict' Button anything like the 'Reset' Button?
Posted by: garrett at June 19, 2017 03:40 PM (472BW)
Posted by: Glenn Beck at June 19, 2017 03:40 PM (WABax)
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Well, whatever. If Syrians don't think Syria is worth fighting for, it's a little hard for me to get worked up about it.
But it's far better that we're shooting down Syrian planes than vice versa.
But it's far better that we're shooting down Syrian planes than vice versa.
Posted by: Ted K. at June 19, 2017 03:41 PM (7RqXg)
11
And Iran attacked ISIS with missiles
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 19, 2017 03:41 PM (6Ll1u)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 19, 2017 03:41 PM (fceHP)
13
I'm not sure shooting down a sovereign nation's aircraft flying over their own soil is OK.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 03:41 PM (UBzPO)
14
The country's defence ministry said it would track US-led coalition aircraft with missile systems and military aircraft, but stopped short of saying it would shoot them down.
"Mess with the best, flame out like the rest!"
"Mess with the best, flame out like the rest!"
Posted by: rickb223 at June 19, 2017 03:41 PM (vZ0KM)
15
HIIIIYAAHHH!
Posted by: John McCain's Dance Studio at June 19, 2017 03:41 PM (udajc)
16
Vlad's so pissed he may stop payment on the checks to Hillary!
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 19, 2017 03:42 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: dananjcon at June 19, 2017 03:42 PM (WLK0w)
18
Remember when Candidate Hillary! said she'd impose a no-fly zone over Syria, and that it'd be totes awesome, but absolutely not pull us into war with Russia like she said Trump wanted?
Good times, right? Anyway, she'll never be President, and something like this, but worse, would've happened much sooner if she'd won.
Good times, right? Anyway, she'll never be President, and something like this, but worse, would've happened much sooner if she'd won.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at June 19, 2017 03:43 PM (u0s1P)
19
You know, we could really use a good shooting war with Russia because the world's soooo boring right now!
Posted by: alexthechick - may grace abound at June 19, 2017 03:43 PM (mf5HN)
20
Will the new Top Gun be any good?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 19, 2017 03:43 PM (6Ll1u)
21
*patiently waits for ATC to gutter the thread*
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 19, 2017 03:44 PM (tbOMB)
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This is a prime indicator of how stupid the left is. The claim Trump is "friends" with the Russians yet Putin evidently hates Trump. As for shooting down that plane it has always been my contention that we have no dogs in that fight. And yet every asshole in DC wants us to get in the middle of it, First it was OBama and now its Trump.
we need to leave those assholes to kill themselves w/o our involvement. There isn't anyone in DC right now that I would trust in picking sides over there. There are no good guys.
we need to leave those assholes to kill themselves w/o our involvement. There isn't anyone in DC right now that I would trust in picking sides over there. There are no good guys.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 03:44 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Roland THTG at June 19, 2017 03:44 PM (QM5S2)
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If this was the Obama era, the U.S. plane would have flown in a holding pattern so it'd be easier for the Syrians to shoot it down so as not to offend Islamic sensibilities.
Posted by: Gaylord Farkemall at June 19, 2017 03:44 PM (+dsLj)
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US Shoots Down Syrian Plane
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Well, it's obvious after this show of aggression, we must take in another 40 million Syrian refugees, or however many people are left in Syria (whichever number is larger).
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Well, it's obvious after this show of aggression, we must take in another 40 million Syrian refugees, or however many people are left in Syria (whichever number is larger).
Posted by: Democrats at June 19, 2017 03:44 PM (vg8iE)
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I'm not sure shooting down a sovereign nation's aircraft flying over their own soil is OK.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 03:41 PM (UBzPO)
It absolutely isn't.
US is in the wrong here and has been all along.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 03:41 PM (UBzPO)
It absolutely isn't.
US is in the wrong here and has been all along.
Posted by: Country Boy at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (D2vc1)
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13. I've gotta agree. Syrian and Rooshian Forces have a right to be there. I'm not sure we do.
I am conflicted.
I am conflicted.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (TwwWO)
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4
Third, it was after that plane attacked out forces I think
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2017 03:38 PM (Ot7+c)
It was attacking the rebels that we were supporting.
Third, it was after that plane attacked out forces I think
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2017 03:38 PM (Ot7+c)
It was attacking the rebels that we were supporting.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (mpXpK)
29
If Israel and KSA want to fight over Syria with Iran and Russia -- let 'em. None of our business.
Posted by: Reverse Polish Notation at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (qfDb3)
30
"De-conflition" hot line?
They still have those??
Who knew?
Posted by: dananjcon at June 19, 2017 03:42 PM (WLK0w)
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Is this related to the sex bureaucracy?
They still have those??
Who knew?
Posted by: dananjcon at June 19, 2017 03:42 PM (WLK0w)
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Is this related to the sex bureaucracy?
Posted by: RioBravo at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (OmhcY)
31
20 Will the new Top Gun be any good?
is Amy Schumer going to be the love interest like last time?
is Amy Schumer going to be the love interest like last time?
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (nFwvY)
32
Up Next: Trump is a War Mongering Maniac Who Will Get Us All Killed
Posted by: This...is CNN at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (qJhUV)
Posted by: 1921 C DRUM at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (h7sWp)
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You get too close to friendlies and you get shot down. $hit happens in a war.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 19, 2017 03:47 PM (0pcwX)
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They were shooting at the people that shoot at the guys that shot at the ones that shoot at those asshole we don't like.
So, that makes it ok.
So, that makes it ok.
Posted by: Roland THTG at June 19, 2017 03:47 PM (baYK5)
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13. I've gotta agree. Syrian and Rooshian Forces have a right to be there. I'm not sure we do.
I am conflicted.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor Glory to Kekistan! at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (TwwWO)
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Just call the De-Con-Fliction HOT Line!!!
I am conflicted.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor Glory to Kekistan! at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (TwwWO)
**
Just call the De-Con-Fliction HOT Line!!!
Posted by: dananjcon at June 19, 2017 03:47 PM (WLK0w)
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Syria has fighter jets? Let me guess, Russian fighter jets, right?
Posted by: dantesed at June 19, 2017 03:47 PM (88xKn)
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20 Will the new Top Gun be any good?
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 19, 2017 03:43 PM (6Ll1u)
Hey, I've got an idea. Why don't we replace Tom Cruise and the other pilots with women! Because gurl power!
Hollywood, call me.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 19, 2017 03:43 PM (6Ll1u)
Hey, I've got an idea. Why don't we replace Tom Cruise and the other pilots with women! Because gurl power!
Hollywood, call me.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 19, 2017 03:47 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Democrats at June 19, 2017 03:47 PM (vg8iE)
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Can we get John McCain to pilot some recon flights?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 19, 2017 03:48 PM (r5KeJ)
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Russia has a huge agenda in Syria, and it has nothing to do with destroying IS or bringing peace. They want a foothold in the region to take over the oil production, and Syria is their best shot.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2017 03:48 PM (39g3+)
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Odd behavior on the part of the Ruskies towards their puppet in the White House. Wait..of course this is just a ruse to try to throw people off of the trail of how Vlad changed every ballot in the last election
Odd behavior on the part of the Ruskies towards their puppet in the White House. Wait..of course this is just a ruse to try to throw people off of the trail of how Vlad changed every ballot in the last election
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 19, 2017 03:48 PM (493sH)
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"8 Is that 'Deconflict' Button anything like the 'Reset' Button?
Posted by: garrett"
Beats me. I was shitfaced when I gave that stupid button. Hic.
Posted by: garrett"
Beats me. I was shitfaced when I gave that stupid button. Hic.
Posted by: Hillary at June 19, 2017 03:48 PM (OD2ni)
44
Is that 'Deconflict' Button anything like the 'Reset' Button?
Posted by: garrett at June 19, 2017 03:40 PM (472BW)
.........
That Was Easy.
Posted by: garrett at June 19, 2017 03:40 PM (472BW)
.........
That Was Easy.
Posted by: Staples Easy Button at June 19, 2017 03:48 PM (HgMAr)
45
Those Syrians have small wangs!
Posted by: Pervert from the last thread at June 19, 2017 03:49 PM (AS22e)
46
I have the same reaction to this I did to the news that our Afghan allies are killing all our servicemen themselves, no Taliban necessary: glass parking lot the place and then leave.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2017 03:49 PM (3J/LN)
47
So - do we owe them a new plane now, or something?
Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2017 03:49 PM (Sfs6o)
48
Syria has fighter jets? Let me guess, Russian fighter jets, right?
Could be Mirages or Chinese jets, too. But yeah probably Russian. If I were Russian Military I'd do everything in my power to avoid a conflict with the USA, who continually not just defeats but humiliates and discredits Russian tech.
Could be Mirages or Chinese jets, too. But yeah probably Russian. If I were Russian Military I'd do everything in my power to avoid a conflict with the USA, who continually not just defeats but humiliates and discredits Russian tech.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (39g3+)
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I'm waiting for the Captain of the USS Fitzgerald to weigh in before making any rash judgements.
Posted by: Under Fire at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (l4aLi)
50
Syrians bombed U.S.-backed fighters
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My question is do they deserved tobe U.S.-backed?
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Syria claims the jet was attacking ISIS forces, and the US says that's total bullshit.
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Because the U.S. has magic They Live glasses to tell the good ones from the bad ones.
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My question is do they deserved tobe U.S.-backed?
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Syria claims the jet was attacking ISIS forces, and the US says that's total bullshit.
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Because the U.S. has magic They Live glasses to tell the good ones from the bad ones.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (Nwg0u)
51
Can we get John McCain to pilot some recon flights?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 19, 2017 03:48 PM (r5KeJ)
Don't give him any missiles, because he might shoot down an aircraft carrier again.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 19, 2017 03:48 PM (r5KeJ)
Don't give him any missiles, because he might shoot down an aircraft carrier again.
Posted by: Roland THTG at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (QM5S2)
52
I've gotta agree. Syrian and Rooshian Forces have a right to be there. I'm not sure we do.
I am conflicted.
Definitely conflicted.
But when the world claims we are the "World's Police"...
I am conflicted.
Definitely conflicted.
But when the world claims we are the "World's Police"...
Posted by: rickb223 at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (vZ0KM)
53
The Supreme Court are a bunch of racists!!!
Posted by: Bob Costas at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (OD2ni)
54
It's a Washington Post article, so parts of it may be true, but I can't tell which ones.
Posted by: mrp at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (Pqytn)
55
Well, boys, I reckon this is it-- nuclear combat toe to toe with the Roosskies.
Well, boys, I reckon this is it-- nuclear combat toe to toe with the Roosskies.
Posted by: Major T. J. 'King' Kong at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (HTdUD)
56
World war 3 is imminent!
*rings hands*
*wets self*
Posted by: Glenn Beck at June 19, 2017 03:40 PM (WABax)
Don't worry, you have plenty of gold don't you?
*rings hands*
*wets self*
Posted by: Glenn Beck at June 19, 2017 03:40 PM (WABax)
Don't worry, you have plenty of gold don't you?
Posted by: wth at June 19, 2017 03:51 PM (HgMAr)
57
So, this bunks the russian hookers-golden shower story, right?
Posted by: IC at June 19, 2017 03:51 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 19, 2017 03:51 PM (vZ0KM)
59
"De-conflition" hot line?
They still have those??
Who knew?
Posted by: dananjcon at June 19, 2017 03:42 PM (WLK0w)
-----------------------
Is this related to the sex bureaucracy?
Posted by: RioBravo at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (OmhcY)**
Same building, 3rd floor, three doors down on the left from bathing supplies and rubber products.
They still have those??
Who knew?
Posted by: dananjcon at June 19, 2017 03:42 PM (WLK0w)
-----------------------
Is this related to the sex bureaucracy?
Posted by: RioBravo at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (OmhcY)**
Same building, 3rd floor, three doors down on the left from bathing supplies and rubber products.
Posted by: dananjcon at June 19, 2017 03:51 PM (WLK0w)
60
The claim Trump is "friends" with the Russians yet Putin evidently hates Trump.
They're two alpha males jockeying for position. No need to posit personal animosity. I suspect that there's actually mutual respect, unlike the situation with Obongo, whom Putin obviously held in contempt.
They're two alpha males jockeying for position. No need to posit personal animosity. I suspect that there's actually mutual respect, unlike the situation with Obongo, whom Putin obviously held in contempt.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 19, 2017 03:51 PM (SRKgf)
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47 So - do we owe them a new plane now, or something?
Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2017 03:49 PM (Sfs6o)
Gift card to Habib's Hookah House should do it.
Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2017 03:49 PM (Sfs6o)
Gift card to Habib's Hookah House should do it.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 19, 2017 03:51 PM (0mRoj)
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Syria has fighter jets? Let me guess, Russian fighter jets, right?
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Apparently Su-22. The USN really likes shooting those down.
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Apparently Su-22. The USN really likes shooting those down.
Posted by: RioBravo at June 19, 2017 03:51 PM (OmhcY)
63
54
It's a Washington Post article, so parts of it may be true, but I can't tell which ones.
Posted by: mrp at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (Pqytn)
Democracy dies in darkness.
It's a Washington Post article, so parts of it may be true, but I can't tell which ones.
Posted by: mrp at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (Pqytn)
Democracy dies in darkness.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at June 19, 2017 03:51 PM (tbOMB)
64
Who wants to play Global Thermonuclear War?
Posted by: WOPR at June 19, 2017 03:51 PM (7n4KQ)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 19, 2017 03:52 PM (TwwWO)
66
I saw it was a SU-22
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 19, 2017 03:52 PM (6Ll1u)
67
And so it begins...
Posted by: Cliche-o-Rama at June 19, 2017 03:52 PM (TOk1P)
68
It's easy to say that we shouldn't have shot down a sovereign nation's plane over their own territory.
But we have allies whom we are supporting in that area, and it would seem a bit disingenuous to tell them that they have our support, unless they are attacked from the air.
It's a war. We have chosen sides and are fighting. I like us being more aggressive and having fewer rules of engagement compared to what we did for years: still put our men in harm's way, but tell them they can't fight.
But we have allies whom we are supporting in that area, and it would seem a bit disingenuous to tell them that they have our support, unless they are attacked from the air.
It's a war. We have chosen sides and are fighting. I like us being more aggressive and having fewer rules of engagement compared to what we did for years: still put our men in harm's way, but tell them they can't fight.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 03:52 PM (rF0hx)
69
Definitely conflicted.
But when the world claims we are the "World's Police"...
We're definitely the world's fire department, and we get roughly zero credit for all the rescuing the Navy (and others) do.
But when the world claims we are the "World's Police"...
We're definitely the world's fire department, and we get roughly zero credit for all the rescuing the Navy (and others) do.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at June 19, 2017 03:52 PM (u0s1P)
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"All kinds of airborne vehicles, including aircraft and UAVs of the international coalition detected to the west of the Euphrates River will be tracked by the Russian SAM systems as air targets," the Russian Defence Ministry said in a statement.
Good. Paint those radar sites clearly so we can take them out as well.
Good. Paint those radar sites clearly so we can take them out as well.
Posted by: Twisted Bastige at June 19, 2017 03:52 PM (uBQPh)
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It's a Washington Post article, so parts of it may be true, but I can't tell which ones.
Posted by: mrp at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (Pqytn)
I linked to essentially the same story on Fox this morning.
Posted by: mrp at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (Pqytn)
I linked to essentially the same story on Fox this morning.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 03:53 PM (mpXpK)
72
Russia! Russia! Russia!
Posted by: Jan Brady at June 19, 2017 03:53 PM (7n4KQ)
73
Coming up next, Trump is risking our long friendship with Russia.
Posted by: Brian Stelter at June 19, 2017 03:53 PM (OD2ni)
74
I'm waiting for the Captain of the USS Fitzgerald to weigh in before making any rash judgements.
Posted by: Under Fire at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (l4aLi)
WAHRRR!! WU-WAHHHR!!
Posted by: Under Fire at June 19, 2017 03:50 PM (l4aLi)
WAHRRR!! WU-WAHHHR!!
Posted by: USS Gabby Giffords at June 19, 2017 03:53 PM (HgMAr)
75
saw that the Saudi's caught or detained a Iranian gunboat near one of their oilfields. Also Turkey sent troops to Qatar.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (dKiJG)
76
If we remove everyone's testicles there will be peace. Testosterone = violence.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (xAvrH)
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They're two alpha males jockeying for position. No need to posit personal animosity. I suspect that there's actually mutual respect, unlike the situation with Obongo, whom Putin obviously held in contempt.
Yeah I think they are kind of similar, rivals, but with respect and some level of admiration.
This is what the left doesn't get. They are totally convinced that the entire world is laughing at us, that they think Trump is a complete bozo. But while the loud, leftist portions of the world are claiming so, nobody is giggling at President Trump nor do they consider him a lightweight, an easy mark like President Obama.
Yeah I think they are kind of similar, rivals, but with respect and some level of admiration.
This is what the left doesn't get. They are totally convinced that the entire world is laughing at us, that they think Trump is a complete bozo. But while the loud, leftist portions of the world are claiming so, nobody is giggling at President Trump nor do they consider him a lightweight, an easy mark like President Obama.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (39g3+)
78
Rebel! Rebel!
Posted by: Jimmy Bowie at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (OmhcY)
79
Now look, boys, I ain't much of a hand at makin' speeches, but I got a pretty fair idea that something doggone important is goin' on back there. And I got a fair idea the kinda personal emotions that some of you fellas may be thinkin'. Heck, I reckon you wouldn't even be human bein's if you didn't have some pretty strong personal feelin's about nuclear combat. I want you to remember one thing, the folks back home is a-countin' on you and by golly, we ain't about to let 'em down. I tell you something else, if this thing turns out to be half as important as I figure it just might be, I'd say that you're all in line for some important promotions and personal citations when this thing's over with. That goes for ever' last one of you regardless of your race, color or your creed. Now let's get this thing on the hump - we got some flyin' to do.
Posted by: Major T. J. 'King' Kong at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (HTdUD)
80
Soooo....
Uh... President Trump? Where is the Declaration of War, or at least SOME Congressional Cover, for an Act of War against a UN Member State?
You can't even claim self defense... as we shot down the plane in retaliation for them bombing our Ally... the Ally we are arming so it can overthrow that Government...
And Yes.... I bitched about this all the time with Obama, and even though I am a Trump supporter... he also should be playing by the Legal Rules... not Obama Foreign Policy Calvin Ball...
Uh... President Trump? Where is the Declaration of War, or at least SOME Congressional Cover, for an Act of War against a UN Member State?
You can't even claim self defense... as we shot down the plane in retaliation for them bombing our Ally... the Ally we are arming so it can overthrow that Government...
And Yes.... I bitched about this all the time with Obama, and even though I am a Trump supporter... he also should be playing by the Legal Rules... not Obama Foreign Policy Calvin Ball...
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (NgKpN)
81
WAHRRR!! WU-WAHHHR!!
Posted by: USS Gabby Giffords at June 19, 2017 03:53 PM (HgMAr)
I am so going to hell for laughing as hard as I did.
Posted by: USS Gabby Giffords at June 19, 2017 03:53 PM (HgMAr)
I am so going to hell for laughing as hard as I did.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (0mRoj)
82
58 It's a war. We have chosen sides and are fighting. I
like us being more aggressive and having fewer rules of engagement
compared to what we did for years: still put our men in harm's way, but
tell them they can't fight.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 03:52 PM (rF0hx)
The problem is we should not be there to begin with. There is nothing in that shit-hole area worth fighting over.
like us being more aggressive and having fewer rules of engagement
compared to what we did for years: still put our men in harm's way, but
tell them they can't fight.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 03:52 PM (rF0hx)
The problem is we should not be there to begin with. There is nothing in that shit-hole area worth fighting over.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (mpXpK)
83
"is Amy Schumer going to be the love interest like last time?"
With Seth Rogen as Maverick and Kevin Hart as Goose.
With Seth Rogen as Maverick and Kevin Hart as Goose.
Posted by: Nonapod at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (CLP9I)
84
It's great to see the US is no longer leading from behind.
I always preferred to lead with my behind, it was fulfilling.
I always preferred to lead with my behind, it was fulfilling.
Posted by: Bath house Barry Obama at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (uBQPh)
85
>>> glass parking lot the place and then leave
You might want to revisit your order of operations.
You might want to revisit your order of operations.
Posted by: fluffy at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (jw2Xw)
86
They've also turned off the "deconfliction" hotline which allows US and Russia to make sure we're not shooting at each other So now they have to wake up the radar gimp.
Posted by: 80's music fan at June 19, 2017 03:55 PM (Mq8gC)
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I kinda do miss the days when we would have been told the fighter jet that got shot down was carrying a wedding party, celebrating, and otherwise minding its own business.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 19, 2017 03:55 PM (TOk1P)
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68. But our enemy there is ISIS. The Syrian Arab Republic & their allies are killing ISIS. WTF are we doing backing ANYONE trying to take Syria out of the fight? This is what mystifies.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 19, 2017 03:55 PM (TwwWO)
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As best I can make out from the longer story, the Syrians were trying to bomb the forces that just DEFEATED ISIS. In other words, Syrian planes were supporting ISIS. Why would they do that? Because ISIS makes a convenient foil for Assad to use to stay in power, and he doesn't want to allow a Syrian force that is both against ISIS and against Assad, so he'll try to destroy them even when they are ONLY attacking ISIS and winning.
This is why we can't just "get out" - if we get out, Russia and the Syrians will actually do everything they can to help ISIS stay viable, within limits that they think are acceptable, because they view permanent chaos and calamity for the region as an acceptable way for Assad to remain in power.
If we are serious about defeating ISIS, and we better be, then we have to support those forces in the region that also want to defeat ISIS. And when Assad tries to attack them, we need to bloody his nose.
As far as why it happened now - we're in the position of an off-duty cop who's dropped by the liquor store. You're standing in line, and all of a sudden some punk pulls out a gun and tries to jack the clerk - well you didn't go in there with the intention of messing up the punk, but he just made it your business, and you're not gonna just walk way.. That ain't who you are.
This is why we can't just "get out" - if we get out, Russia and the Syrians will actually do everything they can to help ISIS stay viable, within limits that they think are acceptable, because they view permanent chaos and calamity for the region as an acceptable way for Assad to remain in power.
If we are serious about defeating ISIS, and we better be, then we have to support those forces in the region that also want to defeat ISIS. And when Assad tries to attack them, we need to bloody his nose.
As far as why it happened now - we're in the position of an off-duty cop who's dropped by the liquor store. You're standing in line, and all of a sudden some punk pulls out a gun and tries to jack the clerk - well you didn't go in there with the intention of messing up the punk, but he just made it your business, and you're not gonna just walk way.. That ain't who you are.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 03:55 PM (OmOvC)
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They've also turned off the "deconfliction" hotline which allows US and Russia to make sure we're not shooting at each other So now they have to wake up the radar gimp.
Posted by: 80's music fan at June 19, 2017 03:55 PM (Mq8gC)
And break out the Risk game board.
Posted by: 80's music fan at June 19, 2017 03:55 PM (Mq8gC)
And break out the Risk game board.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 19, 2017 03:56 PM (TOk1P)
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I suspect that there's actually mutual respect, unlike the situation with Obongo, whom Putin obviously held in contempt.
That's ok, Justin Trudaeu is here to fill the world stage's "obvious contempt" slot.
That's ok, Justin Trudaeu is here to fill the world stage's "obvious contempt" slot.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2017 03:56 PM (3J/LN)
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I don't think we should be there either, honestly. We have no business in the region, and its a mess with no good guys. The most we should have a presence there is to obliterate IS when we know where it is and who it is no matter where they are. Other than that, leave Syrai be.
I mean: we find an IS cell in Berlin, hit it hard and fast and wipe them out in the middle of Berlin. If we find a camp in Russia, bomb the crap out of it in Russia. Just hunt them like rats no matter where they hide.
I mean: we find an IS cell in Berlin, hit it hard and fast and wipe them out in the middle of Berlin. If we find a camp in Russia, bomb the crap out of it in Russia. Just hunt them like rats no matter where they hide.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2017 03:56 PM (39g3+)
93
Trump should activate the draft of all 18-25 year olds immediately. We're at war for chrissakes.
Posted by: Under Fire at June 19, 2017 03:56 PM (l4aLi)
94
41
Russia has a huge agenda in Syria, and it has nothing to do with
destroying IS or bringing peace. They want a foothold in the region to
take over the oil production, and Syria is their best shot.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2017 03:48 PM (39g3+)
How is that any of our business?
Russia has a huge agenda in Syria, and it has nothing to do with
destroying IS or bringing peace. They want a foothold in the region to
take over the oil production, and Syria is their best shot.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2017 03:48 PM (39g3+)
How is that any of our business?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 03:56 PM (UBzPO)
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Good. Paint those radar sites clearly so we can take them out as well.
Posted by: Twisted Bastige at June 19, 2017 03:52 PM (uBQPh)
Yeah... because killing a bunch of Russians who are there in response to a Defense Treaty with the still legal Syrian Government....
would be such a GREAT thing to do....
/facepalm
Posted by: Twisted Bastige at June 19, 2017 03:52 PM (uBQPh)
Yeah... because killing a bunch of Russians who are there in response to a Defense Treaty with the still legal Syrian Government....
would be such a GREAT thing to do....
/facepalm
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 03:57 PM (NgKpN)
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The problem is we should not be there to begin with. There is nothing in that shit-hole area worth fighting over.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (mpXpK)
That's the way I see it ...
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (mpXpK)
That's the way I see it ...
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 19, 2017 03:57 PM (a94gW)
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Justin Trudaeu is here to fill the world stage's "obvious contempt" slot.
"But he's so dreeeeeeeeamy"
-Legacy Media
"He'd turn me queer"
-Dan Rather
"if I had a white lover, he'd look like Justin"
-Barack Hussein Obama
"But he's so dreeeeeeeeamy"
-Legacy Media
"He'd turn me queer"
-Dan Rather
"if I had a white lover, he'd look like Justin"
-Barack Hussein Obama
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2017 03:57 PM (39g3+)
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Mrs. E is returning from Yurp this Thursday. Even though I let one of her plants die and she'll be mad at me, I'll be glad she is home safe.
Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2017 03:57 PM (zLDYs)
99
Russia! Russia! Russia!
Posted by: Jan Brady at June 19, 2017 03:53 PM (7n4KQ)
C'mere little thing I've got a Snickers bar for you
Posted by: Jan Brady at June 19, 2017 03:53 PM (7n4KQ)
C'mere little thing I've got a Snickers bar for you
Posted by: Danny Trejo at June 19, 2017 03:57 PM (HgMAr)
100
The Turks downed a Rooski jet too. Are we even?
Posted by: 80's music fan at June 19, 2017 03:58 PM (Mq8gC)
101
Trump should activate the draft of all 18-25 year olds immediately. We're at war for chrissakes.
Posted by: Under Fire at June 19, 2017 03:56 PM (l4aLi)
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That violates the rights of illegal aliens.
Posted by: Under Fire at June 19, 2017 03:56 PM (l4aLi)
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That violates the rights of illegal aliens.
Posted by: 9th circle jerk judge at June 19, 2017 03:58 PM (OmhcY)
102
I really like to think that that deconfliction hotline was an actual red Western Electric rotary dial telephone.
Posted by: Roy at June 19, 2017 03:58 PM (7n4KQ)
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How is that any of our business?
It only is in the sense that we should make sure the world understands that. Not our business to stop or bother with. We have more oil than Saudi Arabia anyway.
It only is in the sense that we should make sure the world understands that. Not our business to stop or bother with. We have more oil than Saudi Arabia anyway.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2017 03:58 PM (39g3+)
104
Know penis, no peace.
No penis, know peace.
No penis, know peace.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at June 19, 2017 03:58 PM (xAvrH)
105
is Amy Schumer going to be the love interest like last time?
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Amy will play the Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker.
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Amy will play the Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 19, 2017 03:58 PM (Nwg0u)
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Coming up next, Trump is risking our long friendship with Russia.
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Correction: Trump is risking diplomatic relations with Russia on purpose to hide the fact that he is owned by Russia by doing things Russia doesn't want him to do, therefore concealing the evidence that he is completely the puppet of Putin.
Any questions?
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Correction: Trump is risking diplomatic relations with Russia on purpose to hide the fact that he is owned by Russia by doing things Russia doesn't want him to do, therefore concealing the evidence that he is completely the puppet of Putin.
Any questions?
Posted by: THIS. IS. CNN. at June 19, 2017 03:58 PM (+dsLj)
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A General (I forget his name) on Fox this morning says that is all talk from Russia, they will do nothing to us since they have nowhere near the force we do in the region.
Our enemies got way too accustomed to "Stand Down Obama" always backing down, since he was anti-America himself. Shooting war with Russia bad, but it would be nice to establish dominance again.
America First means we remain the superpower, and that was always part of Trump "rebuilding the greatest military ever winning winning winning". I wonder if an F-22 really can shoot down 6 of their best fighters ... that might establish a new balance of power.
Our enemies got way too accustomed to "Stand Down Obama" always backing down, since he was anti-America himself. Shooting war with Russia bad, but it would be nice to establish dominance again.
America First means we remain the superpower, and that was always part of Trump "rebuilding the greatest military ever winning winning winning". I wonder if an F-22 really can shoot down 6 of their best fighters ... that might establish a new balance of power.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 19, 2017 03:58 PM (O8hcu)
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and re: the deconfliction hotline. The local force commander DID call it, and the rooskies ignored the call completely. Okay, they had their chance.
(which is why it is a stupid threat for Putin to say he's cutting it off now - what use was it when you never answered anyways???)
(which is why it is a stupid threat for Putin to say he's cutting it off now - what use was it when you never answered anyways???)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 03:58 PM (OmOvC)
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C'mere little thing I've got a Snickers bar for you
Posted by: Danny Trejo
I think she's taller than he is.
Posted by: Danny Trejo
I think she's taller than he is.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2017 03:59 PM (39g3+)
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95, Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 03:57 PM (NgKpN)
Don't mean to go OT so quickly but did you read about Cali spending 50 million of our money defending illegal immigrants? Almost caused me to have a stroke.
Don't mean to go OT so quickly but did you read about Cali spending 50 million of our money defending illegal immigrants? Almost caused me to have a stroke.
Posted by: IC at June 19, 2017 03:59 PM (a0IVu)
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88 68. But our enemy there is ISIS. The Syrian Arab Republic & their allies are killing ISIS. WTF are we doing backing ANYONE trying to take Syria out of the fight? This is what mystifies.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 19, 2017 03:55 PM (TwwWO)
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Maybe because they ain't shooting at ISIS, they're shooting at rebels. I might be wrong, but I think the SDF is the name of the rebranded Kurdish militia...
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 19, 2017 03:55 PM (TwwWO)
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Maybe because they ain't shooting at ISIS, they're shooting at rebels. I might be wrong, but I think the SDF is the name of the rebranded Kurdish militia...
Posted by: Jackal at June 19, 2017 03:59 PM (zOwSw)
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Eh. The Russians needs foreign customers in order to prop up "defense" spending because those effin' US frackaholics are depressing the oil market. The US is shipping natural gas to Poland, and, hell's bells, probably to the Balts, too.
Posted by: mrp at June 19, 2017 03:59 PM (Pqytn)
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(which is why it is a stupid threat for Putin to say he's cutting it off now - what use was it when you never answered anyways???)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 03:58 PM (OmOvC)
"Hello, this is Vlad. Leave a message at the beep."
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 03:58 PM (OmOvC)
"Hello, this is Vlad. Leave a message at the beep."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 19, 2017 04:00 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Zardoz at June 19, 2017 04:00 PM (u0s1P)
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Trump should activate the draft of all 18-25 year olds immediately. We're at war for chrissakes.
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How about we just draft illeg- I mean undocumented civilians? Takes care of two problems at once.
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How about we just draft illeg- I mean undocumented civilians? Takes care of two problems at once.
Posted by: Gaylord Farkemall at June 19, 2017 04:00 PM (+dsLj)
116
So, it's Syria vs. Syrian Rebels.
Syria back by Russia
Syrian Rebels backed by ISIS/ Al Queda/etc.
And we're on the side of the Rebels?
Why?
Syria back by Russia
Syrian Rebels backed by ISIS/ Al Queda/etc.
And we're on the side of the Rebels?
Why?
Posted by: shibumi at June 19, 2017 04:00 PM (aT+Bx)
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I really like to think that that deconfliction hotline was an actual red Western Electric rotary dial telephone.
Yes! Why trust that to cheap Chinese junk?
Yes! Why trust that to cheap Chinese junk?
Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2017 04:00 PM (3J/LN)
118
110 95, Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 03:57 PM (NgKpN)
Don't mean to go OT so quickly but did you read about Cali spending 50 million of our money defending illegal immigrants? Almost caused me to have a stroke.
Posted by: IC at June 19, 2017 03:59 PM (a0IVu)
I heard Sessions is working on that.
Don't mean to go OT so quickly but did you read about Cali spending 50 million of our money defending illegal immigrants? Almost caused me to have a stroke.
Posted by: IC at June 19, 2017 03:59 PM (a0IVu)
I heard Sessions is working on that.
Posted by: Under Fire at June 19, 2017 04:00 PM (l4aLi)
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Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 03:55 PM (OmOvC)
orrrrrr....
We stop trying to overthrow Assad... and let him clean Isis up in his country... and we clean them out of Iraq?
We are not even there for the oil per se.... we are there because two or three of the regional powers want to control the OIL PIPELINES that will take oil from the mid east to Europe...
orrrrrr....
We stop trying to overthrow Assad... and let him clean Isis up in his country... and we clean them out of Iraq?
We are not even there for the oil per se.... we are there because two or three of the regional powers want to control the OIL PIPELINES that will take oil from the mid east to Europe...
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 04:00 PM (NgKpN)
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So turning off that Russian hot line should save us a bundle in long distance calls. Amrite?
WINNING!
WINNING!
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'new nic in R&D' at June 19, 2017 04:01 PM (WS19L)
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They've also turned off the "deconfliction" hotline which allows US and Russia to make sure we're not shooting at each other.
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No problem.
All those back-channel, secret communication lines the Democrats say Trump has are still open.
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No problem.
All those back-channel, secret communication lines the Democrats say Trump has are still open.
Posted by: RoyalOil at June 19, 2017 04:01 PM (ZQpd0)
122
Two options for Syria, really:
1) Bomb the piss out of everyone and everything there, take it over, and make it an American Territory.
2) Pack everything up and GTFO, root and branch. Don't even leave a gum wrapper on the ground.
I don't think I see much of a feasible middle ground there anymore.
(And honestly, I'd kinda like to see #1 happen...)
1) Bomb the piss out of everyone and everything there, take it over, and make it an American Territory.
2) Pack everything up and GTFO, root and branch. Don't even leave a gum wrapper on the ground.
I don't think I see much of a feasible middle ground there anymore.
(And honestly, I'd kinda like to see #1 happen...)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 19, 2017 04:01 PM (hcyUh)
123
I won't form an opinion until Egg McMuffin weighs in.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2017 04:01 PM (PY9jH)
124
116 And we're on the side of the Rebels?
Why?
Posted by: shibumi at June 19, 2017 04:00 PM (aT+Bx)
Obama made that call so you know it is stupid.
Why?
Posted by: shibumi at June 19, 2017 04:00 PM (aT+Bx)
Obama made that call so you know it is stupid.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 04:01 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: shibumi at June 19, 2017 04:01 PM (aT+Bx)
126
The importance of this can't be overemphasized. We have SOF forward deployed with the SDF. We've also declared that to the Russians and Syrians, especially when there is an op underway.
They're using that plus HUMIT on the ground to target forces.
F-them.
Plus they just declared they will actively paint any air asset west of the Euphrates, which is about 2/3rds of the country. Not to mention that's a hostile act.
The Russians know precisely what's going on and they are trying to target the KDF, which is the best fighting force
Plus don't count the Turks out on this. They also want to go after the KDF.
Trump and Mattis just very publicly declared bullshit on that.
They're using that plus HUMIT on the ground to target forces.
F-them.
Plus they just declared they will actively paint any air asset west of the Euphrates, which is about 2/3rds of the country. Not to mention that's a hostile act.
The Russians know precisely what's going on and they are trying to target the KDF, which is the best fighting force
Plus don't count the Turks out on this. They also want to go after the KDF.
Trump and Mattis just very publicly declared bullshit on that.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2017 04:02 PM (dr4xE)
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Maybe because they ain't shooting at ISIS, they're
shooting at rebels. I might be wrong, but I think the SDF is the name of
the rebranded Kurdish militia...
Posted by: Jackal at June 19, 2017 03:59 PM (zOwSw)
Unless the rebels are ISIS. There's just no way to know now and nobody can be trusted.
shooting at rebels. I might be wrong, but I think the SDF is the name of
the rebranded Kurdish militia...
Posted by: Jackal at June 19, 2017 03:59 PM (zOwSw)
Unless the rebels are ISIS. There's just no way to know now and nobody can be trusted.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 04:02 PM (UBzPO)
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110 95, Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 03:57 PM (NgKpN)
Don't mean to go OT so quickly but did you read about Cali spending 50 million of our money defending illegal immigrants? Almost caused me to have a stroke.
Posted by: IC at June 19, 2017 03:59 PM (a0IVu)
Yeah... my Tax Dollar at work...
/spit
Don't mean to go OT so quickly but did you read about Cali spending 50 million of our money defending illegal immigrants? Almost caused me to have a stroke.
Posted by: IC at June 19, 2017 03:59 PM (a0IVu)
Yeah... my Tax Dollar at work...
/spit
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 04:02 PM (NgKpN)
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I won't form an opinion until Egg McMuffin weighs in.
There was an NYT article being swatted around Twitter yesterday that posited that McMuffin is the only true Republican statesman.
There was an NYT article being swatted around Twitter yesterday that posited that McMuffin is the only true Republican statesman.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2017 04:02 PM (3J/LN)
130
"The problem is we should not be there to begin with. There is nothing in that shit-hole area worth fighting over."
And that's exactly what we did and said about Afghanistan when we let Osama and the Taliban take the place over and use it as a base to attack us.
We either fight them on their soil, where their lands and cities get torn up, or we fight them on our soil, where our lands and cities get torn up.
The idea that there is some mode of existence where we never have to fight them is a fantasy more worthy of the left than of rational people.
"The problem is we should not be there to begin with. There is nothing in that shit-hole area worth fighting over."
And that's exactly what we did and said about Afghanistan when we let Osama and the Taliban take the place over and use it as a base to attack us.
We either fight them on their soil, where their lands and cities get torn up, or we fight them on our soil, where our lands and cities get torn up.
The idea that there is some mode of existence where we never have to fight them is a fantasy more worthy of the left than of rational people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 04:03 PM (OmOvC)
131
The money CA is spending on illegals is supposedly CA money. But since Obama was buying their worthless bonds the feds are partially paying for it too.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 04:03 PM (mpXpK)
132
So, it's Syria vs. Syrian Rebels.
Syria back by Russia
Syrian Rebels backed by ISIS/ Al Queda/etc.
And we're on the side of the Rebels?
Why?
Posted by: shibumi at June 19, 2017 04:00 PM (aT+Bx)
Because Barak Hussein Obama said so.
Syria back by Russia
Syrian Rebels backed by ISIS/ Al Queda/etc.
And we're on the side of the Rebels?
Why?
Posted by: shibumi at June 19, 2017 04:00 PM (aT+Bx)
Because Barak Hussein Obama said so.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 19, 2017 04:03 PM (TOk1P)
133
I wish everyone here would watch "Hell on Earth: Syria and ISIS" on Nat Geo.
It absolutely lays most of the blame for the hundreds of thousands of lives lost at the mincing feet of Obama.
Pretty stunning, actually.
It absolutely lays most of the blame for the hundreds of thousands of lives lost at the mincing feet of Obama.
Pretty stunning, actually.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2017 04:04 PM (PY9jH)
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130 We either fight them on their soil, where their
lands and cities get torn up, or we fight them on our soil, where our
lands and cities get torn up.
The idea that there is some mode of
existence where we never have to fight them is a fantasy more worthy of
the left than of rational people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 04:03 PM (OmOvC)
I disagree.
lands and cities get torn up, or we fight them on our soil, where our
lands and cities get torn up.
The idea that there is some mode of
existence where we never have to fight them is a fantasy more worthy of
the left than of rational people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 04:03 PM (OmOvC)
I disagree.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 04:04 PM (mpXpK)
135
No. Russia accuses the US of being allied to ISIS.
The US Left routinely accuses the US of founding AQ and ISIS, but only the Bush and Trump "regimes" are criticized.
The US Left routinely accuses the US of founding AQ and ISIS, but only the Bush and Trump "regimes" are criticized.
Posted by: mrp at June 19, 2017 04:04 PM (Pqytn)
136
125 Or is it:
Syria vs. Syrian Rebels vs. ISIS?
Confused.
Can't we just sit this one out?
Posted by: shibumi at June 19, 2017 04:01 PM (aT+Bx)
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Basically, yes, only ISIS and Assad's people have been ignoring each other. Also, Assad and the Russians haven't been too enthusiastic about wiping out ISIS, contrary to their words.
Syria vs. Syrian Rebels vs. ISIS?
Confused.
Can't we just sit this one out?
Posted by: shibumi at June 19, 2017 04:01 PM (aT+Bx)
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Basically, yes, only ISIS and Assad's people have been ignoring each other. Also, Assad and the Russians haven't been too enthusiastic about wiping out ISIS, contrary to their words.
Posted by: Jackal at June 19, 2017 04:04 PM (zOwSw)
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Plus they just declared they will actively paint any air asset west of the Euphrates, which is about 2/3rds of the country. Not to mention that's a hostile act.
The Russians know precisely what's going on and they are trying to target the KDF, which is the best fighting force
Plus don't count the Turks out on this. They also want to go after the KDF.
Trump and Mattis just very publicly declared bullshit on that.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2017 04:02 PM (dr4xE)
So..... defending the Legal Air Space of your ally... while people are illegally bombing it (no UN Security Council Resolution, no declaration of War, no act of Congress saying invade Syria)... is somehow a HOSTILE ACT?
/scratches his head...
The Russians know precisely what's going on and they are trying to target the KDF, which is the best fighting force
Plus don't count the Turks out on this. They also want to go after the KDF.
Trump and Mattis just very publicly declared bullshit on that.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2017 04:02 PM (dr4xE)
So..... defending the Legal Air Space of your ally... while people are illegally bombing it (no UN Security Council Resolution, no declaration of War, no act of Congress saying invade Syria)... is somehow a HOSTILE ACT?
/scratches his head...
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 04:04 PM (NgKpN)
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"132 So, it's Syria vs. Syrian Rebels.
Syria back by Russia
Syrian Rebels backed by ISIS/ Al Queda/etc.
And we're on the side of the Rebels?
Why?
Posted by: shibumi at June 19, 2017 04:00 PM (aT+Bx) "
That's not even close to reality. That's why.
Syria back by Russia
Syrian Rebels backed by ISIS/ Al Queda/etc.
And we're on the side of the Rebels?
Why?
Posted by: shibumi at June 19, 2017 04:00 PM (aT+Bx) "
That's not even close to reality. That's why.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2017 04:05 PM (dr4xE)
139
And that's exactly what we did and said about
Afghanistan when we let Osama and the Taliban take the place over and
use it as a base to attack us.
We either fight them on their
soil, where their lands and cities get torn up, or we fight them on our
soil, where our lands and cities get torn up.
The idea that there
is some mode of existence where we never have to fight them is a
fantasy more worthy of the left than of rational people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 04:03 PM (OmOvC)
The entirety of human history has been about pushing back against the barbarians that lurk on the edges of civilization. If you don't, they push you back, and eventually burn your cities.
Afghanistan when we let Osama and the Taliban take the place over and
use it as a base to attack us.
We either fight them on their
soil, where their lands and cities get torn up, or we fight them on our
soil, where our lands and cities get torn up.
The idea that there
is some mode of existence where we never have to fight them is a
fantasy more worthy of the left than of rational people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 04:03 PM (OmOvC)
The entirety of human history has been about pushing back against the barbarians that lurk on the edges of civilization. If you don't, they push you back, and eventually burn your cities.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 19, 2017 04:05 PM (fKWf6)
140
"We either fight them on their soil, where their lands and cities get
torn up, or we fight them on our soil, where our lands and cities get
torn up."
Nonsense. There isn't a military force over there capable of threatening our soil (except the Russians).
torn up, or we fight them on our soil, where our lands and cities get
torn up."
Nonsense. There isn't a military force over there capable of threatening our soil (except the Russians).
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 04:05 PM (UBzPO)
141
guess the ufos are going to stay our of syria and iraq.
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 04:05 PM (0wem/)
142
135 The US Left routinely accuses the US of founding AQ and ISIS, but only the Bush and Trump "regimes" are criticized.
Posted by: mrp at June 19, 2017 04:04 PM (Pqytn)
Scankles created ISIS
Posted by: mrp at June 19, 2017 04:04 PM (Pqytn)
Scankles created ISIS
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 04:05 PM (mpXpK)
143
And that's exactly what we did and said about Afghanistan when we let Osama and the Taliban take the place over and use it as a base to attack us.
We either fight them on their soil, where their lands and cities get torn up, or we fight them on our soil, where our lands and cities get torn up.
The idea that there is some mode of existence where we never have to fight them is a fantasy more worthy of the left than of rational people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 04:03 PM (OmOvC)
The American people never had a debate about this. We don't know who we are fighting, and Congress isn't doing a damn thing to declare a war, or a purpose behind why we're there. Neither has any of the Presidents.
We either fight them on their soil, where their lands and cities get torn up, or we fight them on our soil, where our lands and cities get torn up.
The idea that there is some mode of existence where we never have to fight them is a fantasy more worthy of the left than of rational people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 04:03 PM (OmOvC)
The American people never had a debate about this. We don't know who we are fighting, and Congress isn't doing a damn thing to declare a war, or a purpose behind why we're there. Neither has any of the Presidents.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 19, 2017 04:05 PM (TOk1P)
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131 The money CA is spending on illegals is supposedly CA money. But since Obama was buying their worthless bonds the feds are partially paying for it too.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 04:03 PM (mpXpK)
Doesn't matter... I pay Calif. taxes too...
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 04:03 PM (mpXpK)
Doesn't matter... I pay Calif. taxes too...
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 04:06 PM (NgKpN)
145
The problem is we should not be there to begin with. There is nothing in that shit-hole area worth fighting over.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (mpXpK)
I'll tell Israel how you feel.
As long as we are supporting our allies who are killing some Jihadists, I am fine with it. I don't want boots on the ground, but aerial and artillery and logistical support is good.
Let other people bleed for awhile.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 03:54 PM (mpXpK)
I'll tell Israel how you feel.
As long as we are supporting our allies who are killing some Jihadists, I am fine with it. I don't want boots on the ground, but aerial and artillery and logistical support is good.
Let other people bleed for awhile.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:06 PM (rF0hx)
146
Winning continues, Redskins can still be the scalpers
Posted by: Skip, Eagles fan at June 19, 2017 04:06 PM (Ot7+c)
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Puts the whole Saudi visit the other week in perspective:
"Hey guys, do us a favor and take care of the rest of the peninsula for the next few months... we're gonna make the rubble bounce in syria pretty soon. Thanks bro. Oh yeah, here's a pile of guns for ya too."
"Hey guys, do us a favor and take care of the rest of the peninsula for the next few months... we're gonna make the rubble bounce in syria pretty soon. Thanks bro. Oh yeah, here's a pile of guns for ya too."
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 19, 2017 04:06 PM (hcyUh)
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"129 I won't form an opinion until Egg McMuffin weighs in."
Hold on. Just waiting for a text from Rick Wilson about what that should be.
Hold on. Just waiting for a text from Rick Wilson about what that should be.
Posted by: Egg McMuffin at June 19, 2017 04:06 PM (OD2ni)
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Those "rebels" that we are supporting are made up of half ISIS and half just criminals.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 04:07 PM (mpXpK)
150
And that's exactly what we did and said about Afghanistan when we let Osama and the Taliban take the place over and use it as a base to attack us.
There are no good guys in Syria, its all bad guys. We can't just carpet bomb the place into a wasteland, and we gain nothing by fighting there.
There are no good guys in Syria, its all bad guys. We can't just carpet bomb the place into a wasteland, and we gain nothing by fighting there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2017 04:07 PM (39g3+)
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Do we really need a 21st history lesson on the groups we are fighting and why?
You can't be serious.
You can't be serious.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (dr4xE)
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88
68. But our enemy there is ISIS. The Syrian Arab Republic their
allies are killing ISIS. WTF are we doing backing ANYONE trying to take
Syria out of the fight? This is what mystifies.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor Glory to Kekistan! at June 19, 2017 03:55 PM (TwwWO)
We are backing the Gulf Countries in ousting Iran from Syria. Depending on what you believe but they ( Gulf Kingdoms) killed Iran's highest ranked officer (and if not all of Iran's High ranking officers in Syria), the General in charge of the Iran's army. They have not announced it yet.
68. But our enemy there is ISIS. The Syrian Arab Republic their
allies are killing ISIS. WTF are we doing backing ANYONE trying to take
Syria out of the fight? This is what mystifies.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor Glory to Kekistan! at June 19, 2017 03:55 PM (TwwWO)
We are backing the Gulf Countries in ousting Iran from Syria. Depending on what you believe but they ( Gulf Kingdoms) killed Iran's highest ranked officer (and if not all of Iran's High ranking officers in Syria), the General in charge of the Iran's army. They have not announced it yet.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (dKiJG)
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If you don't, they push you back, and eventually burn your cities.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 19, 2017 04:05 PM (fKWf6)
Well, based on Detroit and Newark and Camden and Oakland and Richmond (CA) and East St. Louis, they are already here....
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 19, 2017 04:05 PM (fKWf6)
Well, based on Detroit and Newark and Camden and Oakland and Richmond (CA) and East St. Louis, they are already here....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (rF0hx)
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The establishment of a Kurdish state (which hacks off the Turks) is the U.S., Israel et al attempt to block the Silk Road (and effect other geopolitical realities) and bull their way into the Astana talks to which they were not invited. (Take into consideration the effect of further US sanctions against Russia which attempt to block the sale of Nat Gas into Europe and substitute US LNG.) The US Marines in Syria attacking Raquaa are blocking the highway the Syrian Army would use to relieve Deir el Ezzor (sic) in the far east of Syria's territory and the Kurdish proxies are used to fight ISIS but also deter the Syrian govt and army from reclaiming territory and fight ISIS directly going from Raqaa to Deir el Ezzor (sic). The US has not declared war on Syria but is directly operating on their soil and claiming justification by going after ISIS. And now Iran has shown it can launch medium range missiles from its own western region. The US does not want a Fatamid Shiite Crescent extending across the Middle East but the previous Administration gave the Iranians just about every resource to become more of a geopolitical issue. Would agree with the 29th comment on this thread.
Posted by: Suspicious Gorn at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (40ePF)
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145 I'll tell Israel how you feel.
As long as we
are supporting our allies who are killing some Jihadists, I am fine with
it. I don't want boots on the ground, but aerial and artillery and
logistical support is good.
Let other people bleed for awhile.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:06 PM (rF0hx)
Israel is perfectly capable of taking care of those over there. All we have to do is quit holding them back.
As long as we
are supporting our allies who are killing some Jihadists, I am fine with
it. I don't want boots on the ground, but aerial and artillery and
logistical support is good.
Let other people bleed for awhile.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:06 PM (rF0hx)
Israel is perfectly capable of taking care of those over there. All we have to do is quit holding them back.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (mpXpK)
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The entirety of human history has been about pushing back against the barbarians that lurk on the edges of civilization. If you don't, they push you back, and eventually burn your cities.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 19, 2017 04:05 PM (fKWf6)
That's why nobody knows what a "Moesian" is anymore.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 19, 2017 04:05 PM (fKWf6)
That's why nobody knows what a "Moesian" is anymore.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (hcyUh)
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There are no good guys in Syria, its all bad guys. We can't just carpet bomb the place into a wasteland, and we gain nothing by fighting there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June
we should be airdropping single hits of crack into their populations.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June
we should be airdropping single hits of crack into their populations.
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (0wem/)
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I remember when the Soviet 'Buzzer' Doomsday/Dead Hand shortwave signal stopped inadvertently in the '90's. NORAD shit their collective draws. Good times.
Posted by: Under Fire at June 19, 2017 04:09 PM (l4aLi)
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That's a nice surface to air missile defense system you got there, be a shame if something happened to it.
Posted by: simplemind at June 19, 2017 04:09 PM (8GVPW)
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"I wonder if an F-22 really can shoot down 6 of their best fighters ... that might establish a new balance of power."
Ivan's air order of battle doesn't involve trying to directly fight the likes of the F-22. It instead focuses on using ultra long range weapons to kill the tanker force on which the likes of the F-22 are operationally dependent.
The Chinese are planning and developing along similar lines.
Ivan's air order of battle doesn't involve trying to directly fight the likes of the F-22. It instead focuses on using ultra long range weapons to kill the tanker force on which the likes of the F-22 are operationally dependent.
The Chinese are planning and developing along similar lines.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 19, 2017 04:09 PM (ujwCG)
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It seems Mattis is wanting to send more troops to the failed State of Afghanistan, enough is enough. Let them fail on their own, we have spent too much blood and treasure already.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 19, 2017 04:09 PM (6Ll1u)
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157 There are no good guys in Syria, its all bad guys. We can't just carpet bomb the place into a wasteland, and we gain nothing by fighting there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June
we should be airdropping single hits of crack into their populations.
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (0wem/)
The CIA already did this with inner-city blacks. Should be a cakewalk operation.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June
we should be airdropping single hits of crack into their populations.
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (0wem/)
The CIA already did this with inner-city blacks. Should be a cakewalk operation.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 19, 2017 04:09 PM (0mRoj)
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>>Can we get John McCain to pilot some recon flights?
Posted by: Buzzsaw
There was a TV show about that.
Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
Posted by: Buzzsaw
There was a TV show about that.
Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
Posted by: Aviator at June 19, 2017 04:09 PM (/Nite)
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As long as we are supporting our allies who are killing some Jihadists, I am fine with it. I don't want boots on the ground, but aerial and artillery and logistical support is good.
Let other people bleed for awhile.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:06 PM (rF0hx)
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Assuming what Marcus said upthread is right (The rebels in question have US Spec Ops embedded, and they had just pud a beating on ISIS), this shootdown was a statement: You don't wanna fight ISIS, fine, but you leave our guys who are doing so alone.
Let other people bleed for awhile.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:06 PM (rF0hx)
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Assuming what Marcus said upthread is right (The rebels in question have US Spec Ops embedded, and they had just pud a beating on ISIS), this shootdown was a statement: You don't wanna fight ISIS, fine, but you leave our guys who are doing so alone.
Posted by: Jackal at June 19, 2017 04:09 PM (zOwSw)
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151 Do we really need a 21st history lesson on the groups we are fighting and why?
You can't be serious.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (dr4xE)
Honestly, I do. The only thing I can say for certain is that I support Israel over there. Every other group seems to shift between "actively trying to kill us" and "actively trying to kill the guys trying to kill us" depending on the day of the week.
You can't be serious.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (dr4xE)
Honestly, I do. The only thing I can say for certain is that I support Israel over there. Every other group seems to shift between "actively trying to kill us" and "actively trying to kill the guys trying to kill us" depending on the day of the week.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 19, 2017 04:09 PM (KUaJL)
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Does this mean we shoot down the next Russkie Cowboy that thinks buzzing our Navy shows US how big their dicks are?
Posted by: illiniwek at June 19, 2017 04:09 PM (O8hcu)
167
Doesn't matter... I pay Calif. taxes too...
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 04:06 PM (NgKpN)
Us too. I can't put into words what I wish would happen to Jerry Brown and his merry group of idiots in Sacramento.
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 04:06 PM (NgKpN)
Us too. I can't put into words what I wish would happen to Jerry Brown and his merry group of idiots in Sacramento.
Posted by: IC at June 19, 2017 04:09 PM (a0IVu)
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"Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2017 04:07 PM (39g3+)"
Maybe you want to look into that a little more. Because I for one can tell you that's completely incorrect.
Maybe you want to look into that a little more. Because I for one can tell you that's completely incorrect.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2017 04:10 PM (dr4xE)
169
Speaking of Russia, Russia, Russia:
Confirmed: DNC Emails LEAKED . . . Not Hacked
http://tinyurl.com/lb5vw4n
Confirmed: DNC Emails LEAKED . . . Not Hacked
http://tinyurl.com/lb5vw4n
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 19, 2017 04:10 PM (Nwg0u)
170
Well, based on Detroit and Newark and Camden and Oakland and Richmond (CA) and East St. Louis, they are already here....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (rF0hx)
I don't disagree. Leftism is about rejecting civilization in favor of some magical ideal that will replace it. It always fails, and the barbarians emerge.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (rF0hx)
I don't disagree. Leftism is about rejecting civilization in favor of some magical ideal that will replace it. It always fails, and the barbarians emerge.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 19, 2017 04:10 PM (fKWf6)
171
we should be airdropping single hits of crack into their populations.
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (0wem/)
According to some on the loony Left, we already did that in the inner cities...
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (0wem/)
According to some on the loony Left, we already did that in the inner cities...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:10 PM (rF0hx)
172
All this because 4 airplane captains -- through no fault of their own -- were operating under the "We're going to Cuba" paradigm (and there's the Gorelick results which made detecting the whole scheme impossible). Man, I so wish we weren't over there.
Posted by: SFGoth at June 19, 2017 04:11 PM (dZ756)
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The Turks downed a Rooski jet too.
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And that has not kept the Russians from selling S-400 SAM systems to Turkey.
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And that has not kept the Russians from selling S-400 SAM systems to Turkey.
Posted by: RioBravo at June 19, 2017 04:11 PM (OmhcY)
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If I was president this would all make sense.
Posted by: hILLRY o O at June 19, 2017 04:11 PM (HgMAr)
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Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (dKiJG)
Soooo... to recap...
We're helping a bunch of Arab Royalty, control more of the middle East... the same Arab Royalty that created Osama Bin L, and Al Q, and funded the Taliban.... and whose citizens were the ones who perpetrated 9/11.
An Arab Royalty who will remain in power, as Royalty... all the while enforcing Sharia Law in their own countries...
And those are the 'good' guys?
Soooo... to recap...
We're helping a bunch of Arab Royalty, control more of the middle East... the same Arab Royalty that created Osama Bin L, and Al Q, and funded the Taliban.... and whose citizens were the ones who perpetrated 9/11.
An Arab Royalty who will remain in power, as Royalty... all the while enforcing Sharia Law in their own countries...
And those are the 'good' guys?
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 04:12 PM (NgKpN)
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"Maybe you want to look into that a little more."
OK, how? Every single piece of information from that part of the world is now filtered by one propaganda outfit or another.
OK, how? Every single piece of information from that part of the world is now filtered by one propaganda outfit or another.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 04:12 PM (UBzPO)
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 19, 2017 04:12 PM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Under Fire at June 19, 2017 04:13 PM (l4aLi)
179
Israel is perfectly capable of taking care of those over there. All we have to do is quit holding them back.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (mpXpK)
If you think that Israel has any interest in fighting the Russians and the Iranians and the various ISIS supporting militias you need to get out more.
This conflict is good for America and Israel, and by extension, the West.
The trick is keeping it going while letting nobody win.
Let the Iranians and the Russians fight for years over a few thousand square miles of Syria and Iraq.
Fine with me.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (mpXpK)
If you think that Israel has any interest in fighting the Russians and the Iranians and the various ISIS supporting militias you need to get out more.
This conflict is good for America and Israel, and by extension, the West.
The trick is keeping it going while letting nobody win.
Let the Iranians and the Russians fight for years over a few thousand square miles of Syria and Iraq.
Fine with me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:13 PM (rF0hx)
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We are there because ISIS is something that is even worse than Al Qaeda, something we should never have allowed to have been created.
ISIS was created and became powerful because Obama pulled out all of the troops that were stabilizing western Iraq, and also because Assad in fact secretly supported their rise, because he saw them as a useful way to take out the more moderate SDF along with the Kurdish Militia. Turkey also wants to destroy the SDF and the Kurdish Militia, because they do not want a strong Kurdistan to be created, because several western provinces of Turkey are heavily Kurdish. (and oppressed by the Turks severely)
If you hadn't noticed, ISIS is organizing attacks on western cities and targets - do you really think they will just quit if we try to be nice to them? OBAMA TRIED THAT ALREADY.
The SDF and the Kurdish Militia are the ONLY forces who are seriously fighting ISIS in Syria. (Assad is NOT) Therefore, at the very least, it is very strongly in our interest to arm and support the SDF and the Kurdish Militia, because they are how ISIS is being defeated.
And that means, when Assad tries to blow up the SDF and Kurdish forces that are trying to attack ISIS, we need to shoot down his planes, and if the Russians try to paint our planes with ground radar, well that's what HARM missiles are for.
This isn't really that complicated, and it's rather amazing to see so-called "conservatives" say "oh yeah, Obama was right, we should just walk away and pretend nothing is happening while we talk a big game."
ISIS was created and became powerful because Obama pulled out all of the troops that were stabilizing western Iraq, and also because Assad in fact secretly supported their rise, because he saw them as a useful way to take out the more moderate SDF along with the Kurdish Militia. Turkey also wants to destroy the SDF and the Kurdish Militia, because they do not want a strong Kurdistan to be created, because several western provinces of Turkey are heavily Kurdish. (and oppressed by the Turks severely)
If you hadn't noticed, ISIS is organizing attacks on western cities and targets - do you really think they will just quit if we try to be nice to them? OBAMA TRIED THAT ALREADY.
The SDF and the Kurdish Militia are the ONLY forces who are seriously fighting ISIS in Syria. (Assad is NOT) Therefore, at the very least, it is very strongly in our interest to arm and support the SDF and the Kurdish Militia, because they are how ISIS is being defeated.
And that means, when Assad tries to blow up the SDF and Kurdish forces that are trying to attack ISIS, we need to shoot down his planes, and if the Russians try to paint our planes with ground radar, well that's what HARM missiles are for.
This isn't really that complicated, and it's rather amazing to see so-called "conservatives" say "oh yeah, Obama was right, we should just walk away and pretend nothing is happening while we talk a big game."
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 04:14 PM (OmOvC)
181
OT, but I'd love a post explaining how a US naval destroyer couldn't get out of the way of a container ship.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 04:14 PM (UBzPO)
182
"Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 19, 2017 04:09 PM (KUaJL)"
We do a pretty pathetic job of explaining this to the American people. It there are many exigent threats to our safety and the actions we take over there translatie into real gains over here.
Our alliances are sometimes out of battlefield necessity and sometimes selfish, to get at intel. But overall promoting general stability is a win for us
I can't emphasize enough how much a good portion of the KDF has helped both out cause and regional stability.
Frankly I think your concern is a good one.
We do a pretty pathetic job of explaining this to the American people. It there are many exigent threats to our safety and the actions we take over there translatie into real gains over here.
Our alliances are sometimes out of battlefield necessity and sometimes selfish, to get at intel. But overall promoting general stability is a win for us
I can't emphasize enough how much a good portion of the KDF has helped both out cause and regional stability.
Frankly I think your concern is a good one.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2017 04:14 PM (dr4xE)
183
"Trump should activate the draft of all 18-25 year olds immediately. We're at war for chrissakes. "
Half of them would be 4F right away.
Maybe more.
Half of them would be 4F right away.
Maybe more.
Posted by: navybrat at June 19, 2017 04:14 PM (w7KSn)
184
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
-- Admiral Josh Painter
Played of course by none other than former Sen. Fred D Thompson (may he RIP)
-- Admiral Josh Painter
Played of course by none other than former Sen. Fred D Thompson (may he RIP)
Posted by: DocJ at June 19, 2017 04:15 PM (NYS7S)
185
And those are the 'good' 'Less Bad' guys?
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 04:12 PM (NgKpN)
FIFY
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 04:12 PM (NgKpN)
FIFY
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:15 PM (rF0hx)
186
"Let the Iranians and the Russians fight for years over a few thousand square miles of Syria and Iraq."
You really think those players are going to fight for years while allowing the US to overtly egg it on the way we've been?
You really think those players are going to fight for years while allowing the US to overtly egg it on the way we've been?
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 04:15 PM (UBzPO)
Posted by: Mudd at June 19, 2017 04:16 PM (HGnpK)
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I'm glad our previous presidents have laid the groundwork for such a broad array of foreign policy options in the middle east. I envy Mr. Trump the wide field of marvelous choices he has to pick from.
/bitter, garment-rending sarc
/bitter, garment-rending sarc
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 19, 2017 04:16 PM (hcyUh)
189
We'll do in Syria what we always do in the Middle East.
We'll get people killed numbered in the hundreds kicking their ass. Then we'll get people killed in the thousands trying to modernize their ass. Hardcore Republicans will applaud seeing the ass-kicking on the nightly news and do all manner of weeping for the dead ... while Democrats and Moderates galvanize behind the next Progressive President who will dismantle any gains made.
And the cycle will start all over again.
We'll get people killed numbered in the hundreds kicking their ass. Then we'll get people killed in the thousands trying to modernize their ass. Hardcore Republicans will applaud seeing the ass-kicking on the nightly news and do all manner of weeping for the dead ... while Democrats and Moderates galvanize behind the next Progressive President who will dismantle any gains made.
And the cycle will start all over again.
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 19, 2017 04:16 PM (a94gW)
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Let the Iranians and the Russians fight for years over a few thousand square miles of Syria and Iraq.
Fine with me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June
we can field some new rifles in a variety of calibers with the rebels for some real world experience. is 300 really as good as everyone supposes?
Fine with me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June
we can field some new rifles in a variety of calibers with the rebels for some real world experience. is 300 really as good as everyone supposes?
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 04:16 PM (0wem/)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 19, 2017 04:17 PM (Nwg0u)
192
I doubt Mattis has a problem with Russia's commitment to shoot down everything in the sky over Syria. He'll just add that Russia had better make sure they also turn off all bombing missions near our forces or our allies unless they want to lose every SAM sight in Syria.
Posted by: mx4 at June 19, 2017 04:17 PM (xjaxm)
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Hardest hit? Americans backing the so-called Rus-US ISIS alliance. Considering how many horde are happily residing up Putin's ass - all hot and bothered to ally with Czar Putin of Dwarfistan. Gotta hurt pulling it out, eh.
Staunch anti-Putinists / anti-Eurasianists like me are vindicated. Say, where are all the chirpy " I'll ally with a dictator-tyrant in a 'heartbeat'" loudmouths now? You find yourself backing Stephan F. Cohen and his strangoid wife Katrina van USSR's 'Putin Rhetoric' and wonder how things went so wrong?
Yeah, great fucking idea.
Staunch anti-Putinists / anti-Eurasianists like me are vindicated. Say, where are all the chirpy " I'll ally with a dictator-tyrant in a 'heartbeat'" loudmouths now? You find yourself backing Stephan F. Cohen and his strangoid wife Katrina van USSR's 'Putin Rhetoric' and wonder how things went so wrong?
Yeah, great fucking idea.
Posted by: 13times at June 19, 2017 04:17 PM (WHVu+)
194
PA, NJ, and NY morons need to check the weather. Bad stuff on the way.
PA, NJ, and NY morons need to check the weather. Bad stuff on the way.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at June 19, 2017 04:17 PM (HTdUD)
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179 Israel is perfectly capable of taking care of those over there. All we have to do is quit holding them back.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (mpXpK)
If you think that Israel has any interest in fighting the Russians and the Iranians and the various ISIS supporting militias you need to get out more.
This conflict is good for America and Israel, and by extension, the West.
The trick is keeping it going while letting nobody win.
Let the Iranians and the Russians fight for years over a few thousand square miles of Syria and Iraq.
Fine with me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:13 PM (rF0hx)
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Yep, the Hezbos are getting bled pale, as are the Iranian elite forces. Reason enough to keep this going as long as we expend minimal blood and treasure.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (mpXpK)
If you think that Israel has any interest in fighting the Russians and the Iranians and the various ISIS supporting militias you need to get out more.
This conflict is good for America and Israel, and by extension, the West.
The trick is keeping it going while letting nobody win.
Let the Iranians and the Russians fight for years over a few thousand square miles of Syria and Iraq.
Fine with me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:13 PM (rF0hx)
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Yep, the Hezbos are getting bled pale, as are the Iranian elite forces. Reason enough to keep this going as long as we expend minimal blood and treasure.
Posted by: Jackal at June 19, 2017 04:17 PM (zOwSw)
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If the Iranians and Russians and maybe a few others would fight in a contained space for a few decades I'd be all in favor of the Kissinger Rule.
But...containing the spillage can be a problem.
But...containing the spillage can be a problem.
Posted by: JEM at June 19, 2017 04:18 PM (TppKb)
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That line went past me in the last 1/2 hr, rained hard for about 20 minutes
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2017 04:18 PM (Ot7+c)
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PA, NJ, and NY morons need to check the weather. Bad stuff on the way.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at June 19, 2017 04:17 PM (HTdUD)
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It's here in DC now. My poor husband has been at the airport since 10:30. He was supposed to go wheels up at 12:30. They sat in the plane on the tarmac for a few hours, now are back in the terminal waiting it out.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at June 19, 2017 04:17 PM (HTdUD)
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It's here in DC now. My poor husband has been at the airport since 10:30. He was supposed to go wheels up at 12:30. They sat in the plane on the tarmac for a few hours, now are back in the terminal waiting it out.
Posted by: bluebell ~ send us your recipes! at June 19, 2017 04:19 PM (sBOL1)
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When the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy you should stay the fuck out of it.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 19, 2017 04:19 PM (QtQaN)
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The entirety of human history has been about pushing back against the barbarians that lurk on the edges of civilization. If you don't, they push you back, and eventually burn your cities.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 19, 2017 04:05 PM (fKWf6)
Nicely said.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 19, 2017 04:05 PM (fKWf6)
Nicely said.
Posted by: LASue at June 19, 2017 04:19 PM (pWeX5)
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>> Trump should activate the draft of all 18-25 year olds immediately. We're at war for chrissakes.
"Half of them would be 4F right away. Maybe more."
Private Snowflake! Drop and give me fifty! Er, fifteen! Five? One?
"Half of them would be 4F right away. Maybe more."
Private Snowflake! Drop and give me fifty! Er, fifteen! Five? One?
Posted by: torquewrench at June 19, 2017 04:19 PM (ujwCG)
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OT, but I'd love a post explaining how a US naval destroyer couldn't get out of the way of a container ship.
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JFK was the skipper?
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JFK was the skipper?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 19, 2017 04:19 PM (Nwg0u)
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"Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 04:12 PM (UBzPO)"
Read multiple sources of largely first hand reporting. Not the filtered nonsense the MSM feeds everyone.
In places like Syria, there is actually a large part of the country who wants to just live their lives. But Assad has been killing them for generations. That's where this all started. Then outside groups stepped into the void and radicalized some of the population. That's not a process we want to be on the outside of because their first target is Assad and their next one is the US.
There is no easy answer to complex problems and you ignore this at our peril.
Read multiple sources of largely first hand reporting. Not the filtered nonsense the MSM feeds everyone.
In places like Syria, there is actually a large part of the country who wants to just live their lives. But Assad has been killing them for generations. That's where this all started. Then outside groups stepped into the void and radicalized some of the population. That's not a process we want to be on the outside of because their first target is Assad and their next one is the US.
There is no easy answer to complex problems and you ignore this at our peril.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2017 04:19 PM (dr4xE)
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we should be airdropping single hits of crack into their populations.
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (0wem/)
If we're gonna air drop crack we might want to send along some entertainment too, say Ariana Grande, Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus?
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 04:08 PM (0wem/)
If we're gonna air drop crack we might want to send along some entertainment too, say Ariana Grande, Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus?
Posted by: wth at June 19, 2017 04:20 PM (HgMAr)
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189 We'll do in Syria what we always do in the Middle East.
We'll get people killed numbered in the hundreds kicking their ass. Then we'll get people killed in the thousands trying to modernize their ass. Hardcore Republicans will applaud seeing the ass-kicking on the nightly news and do all manner of weeping for the dead ... while Democrats and Moderates galvanize behind the next Progressive President who will dismantle any gains made.
And the cycle will start all over again.
Posted by: ScoggDog
yep.
every. fucking. time. since. WW2.
We'll get people killed numbered in the hundreds kicking their ass. Then we'll get people killed in the thousands trying to modernize their ass. Hardcore Republicans will applaud seeing the ass-kicking on the nightly news and do all manner of weeping for the dead ... while Democrats and Moderates galvanize behind the next Progressive President who will dismantle any gains made.
And the cycle will start all over again.
Posted by: ScoggDog
yep.
every. fucking. time. since. WW2.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 19, 2017 04:20 PM (nFwvY)
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13. I've gotta agree. Syrian and Rooshian Forces have a right to be there. I'm not sure we do.
I am conflicted.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor Glory to Kekistan! at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (TwwWO)
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Just call the De-Con-Fliction HOT Line!!!
Posted by: dananjcon at June 19, 2017 03:47 PM (WLK0w)
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Better call Saul!
13. I've gotta agree. Syrian and Rooshian Forces have a right to be there. I'm not sure we do.
I am conflicted.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor Glory to Kekistan! at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (TwwWO)
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Just call the De-Con-Fliction HOT Line!!!
Posted by: dananjcon at June 19, 2017 03:47 PM (WLK0w)
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Better call Saul!
Posted by: Publius Redux at June 19, 2017 04:20 PM (Fb9aZ)
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Turn Assad into a woman. CIA can do that as a covert operation. She will be peaceful after that.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at June 19, 2017 04:20 PM (xAvrH)
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we can field some new rifles in a variety of calibers with the rebels for some real world experience. is 300 really as good as everyone supposes?
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 04:16 PM (0wem/)
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You mean 300 Blackout? Supersonic, its supposedly equivalent to 7.62x39. I'd rather arm them with eastern bloc stuff, though. More rugged, easier to supply.
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You mean 300 Blackout? Supersonic, its supposedly equivalent to 7.62x39. I'd rather arm them with eastern bloc stuff, though. More rugged, easier to supply.
Posted by: Jackal at June 19, 2017 04:20 PM (zOwSw)
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"OT, but I'd love a post explaining how a US naval destroyer couldn't get out of the way of a container ship."
I would guess that subordinates were not trained to make major moves on their own authority. A prior thread explained it was a deliberate ramming and that there was about a five minute window to evade.
The thinking is that the Captain was still putting on his pants.
I would guess that subordinates were not trained to make major moves on their own authority. A prior thread explained it was a deliberate ramming and that there was about a five minute window to evade.
The thinking is that the Captain was still putting on his pants.
Posted by: Mudd at June 19, 2017 04:20 PM (HGnpK)
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"focuses on using ultra long range weapons to kill the tanker force on which the likes of the F-22 are operationally dependent. The Chinese are planning and developing along similar lines. Posted by: torquewrench
thx ... yeah I don't know all that stuff. I want us to remain the superpower ... that means a lot of money, but on US jobs at least. And hopefully the newest stuff we are developing is beyond what we the public know, or perhaps what treacherous Obama even knew.
The Clinton Chinagate thing touted 'multipolarity' as the excuse for sharing our "crown jewels" with China (for Clinton Cash of course). Mutli warhead missile targeting was acquired from US ... thanks Clinton.
Enemies foreign and domestic for sure ... complicated business.
thx ... yeah I don't know all that stuff. I want us to remain the superpower ... that means a lot of money, but on US jobs at least. And hopefully the newest stuff we are developing is beyond what we the public know, or perhaps what treacherous Obama even knew.
The Clinton Chinagate thing touted 'multipolarity' as the excuse for sharing our "crown jewels" with China (for Clinton Cash of course). Mutli warhead missile targeting was acquired from US ... thanks Clinton.
Enemies foreign and domestic for sure ... complicated business.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 19, 2017 04:21 PM (O8hcu)
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WTF is an "undocumented citizen"???
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/876835981529427969
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 19, 2017 04:12 PM (vBeA5)
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Hmm. Maybe a US citizen who doesn't have their ID on them? No? Let's click over to the Hill article. Hmmm, they are calling them "undocumented immigrants" in the first paragraph. Let's go to the second paragraph: ah, here it is.
They were living in the US illegally. Sooooo, a citizen of another country would be the only way to explain the word "citizen" in their tweet.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/876835981529427969
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 19, 2017 04:12 PM (vBeA5)
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Hmm. Maybe a US citizen who doesn't have their ID on them? No? Let's click over to the Hill article. Hmmm, they are calling them "undocumented immigrants" in the first paragraph. Let's go to the second paragraph: ah, here it is.
They were living in the US illegally. Sooooo, a citizen of another country would be the only way to explain the word "citizen" in their tweet.
Posted by: bluebell ~ send us your recipes! at June 19, 2017 04:21 PM (sBOL1)
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Story goes many wanted to fry JFK for letting that destroyer run over his PT boat but well connections put the squash on that.
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2017 04:22 PM (Ot7+c)
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OK, how? Every single piece of information from that part of the world is now filtered by one propaganda outfit or another.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 04:12 PM (UBzPO)
And that, in a nutshell, is the problem. Too many people saying "trust me, these are the good guys, those are the bad guys," and we have NO IDEA whether it's true or not.
I don't care how many super neato spec ops websites somebody happens to peruse, you aren't selling this to the American people. You're not even TRYING to sell it to the American people.
War doesn't work that way. If we have good guys over there, fine, let's declare war, and take the consequences as they occur.
If we're not at war, then GET EVERY LAST SWINGING AMERICAN ANTHONY OUT OF THERE!!
Period.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 04:12 PM (UBzPO)
And that, in a nutshell, is the problem. Too many people saying "trust me, these are the good guys, those are the bad guys," and we have NO IDEA whether it's true or not.
I don't care how many super neato spec ops websites somebody happens to peruse, you aren't selling this to the American people. You're not even TRYING to sell it to the American people.
War doesn't work that way. If we have good guys over there, fine, let's declare war, and take the consequences as they occur.
If we're not at war, then GET EVERY LAST SWINGING AMERICAN ANTHONY OUT OF THERE!!
Period.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 19, 2017 04:22 PM (TOk1P)
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Yep, the Hezbos are getting bled pale, as are the
Iranian elite forces. Reason enough to keep this going as long as we
expend minimal blood and treasure.
Posted by: Jackal at June 19, 2017 04:17 PM (zOwSw)
Yeah I follow Thomas Wictor on twitter and he gave a list of all the Iranian commanders that have been killed in Syria, and Iran is putting out fake photo's of the Iranian General that's in charge of Iran's Quds special forces because the Gulf States killed him.
Iranian elite forces. Reason enough to keep this going as long as we
expend minimal blood and treasure.
Posted by: Jackal at June 19, 2017 04:17 PM (zOwSw)
Yeah I follow Thomas Wictor on twitter and he gave a list of all the Iranian commanders that have been killed in Syria, and Iran is putting out fake photo's of the Iranian General that's in charge of Iran's Quds special forces because the Gulf States killed him.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 19, 2017 04:23 PM (dKiJG)
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"In places like Syria, there is actually a large part of the country who
wants to just live their lives. But Assad has been killing them for
generations. That's where this all started. Then outside groups stepped
into the void and radicalized some of the population. That's not a
process we want to be on the outside of because their first target is
Assad and their next one is the US."
The same can be said of any number of middle eastern shitholes that we consider allies today. Why aren't we shooting the Saudi Arabian air force out of sky over Riyadh?
"There is no easy answer to complex problems and you ignore this at our peril"
I thought the same thing 20 years ago. Now I just wish we'd have ignored Afghanistan and Iraq (or carpet-bombed both and moved on). We'd likely be better off today.
wants to just live their lives. But Assad has been killing them for
generations. That's where this all started. Then outside groups stepped
into the void and radicalized some of the population. That's not a
process we want to be on the outside of because their first target is
Assad and their next one is the US."
The same can be said of any number of middle eastern shitholes that we consider allies today. Why aren't we shooting the Saudi Arabian air force out of sky over Riyadh?
"There is no easy answer to complex problems and you ignore this at our peril"
I thought the same thing 20 years ago. Now I just wish we'd have ignored Afghanistan and Iraq (or carpet-bombed both and moved on). We'd likely be better off today.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 04:23 PM (UBzPO)
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That line went past me in the last 1/2 hr, rained hard for about 20 minutes
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2017 04:18 PM (Ot7+c)
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Lasted about an hour here. Wicked hail.
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2017 04:18 PM (Ot7+c)
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Lasted about an hour here. Wicked hail.
Posted by: grammie winger - soon to be dancing at June 19, 2017 04:23 PM (lwiT4)
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Much as I think their current leader is a blooming Islamist lunatic, I'm really starting to wonder if it could get any worse if we basically handed-over that entire region to the Turks and let them rebuild the Ottoman Empire.
Not a great option, but as we're pretty much stuck with varying degrees of "dreadful" options I'm going to toss that one on the pile for consideration.
Not a great option, but as we're pretty much stuck with varying degrees of "dreadful" options I'm going to toss that one on the pile for consideration.
Posted by: DocJ at June 19, 2017 04:23 PM (NYS7S)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 19, 2017 04:23 PM (Nwg0u)
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Maybe you want to look into that a little more. Because I for one can tell you that's completely incorrect.
Oh I think there's good guys in Syria, but what I mean is none of the forces in the conflict are good guys. Not the Syrian government, not IS, not Hezbollah, not any of the "militias." Nobody to back, nobody to fight for or help.
Oh I think there's good guys in Syria, but what I mean is none of the forces in the conflict are good guys. Not the Syrian government, not IS, not Hezbollah, not any of the "militias." Nobody to back, nobody to fight for or help.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2017 04:23 PM (39g3+)
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"its supposedly equivalent to 7.62x39"
I think it is mortars, howitzers and heavy machine guns that they need. Ammunition and anti-tank weapons.
I think it is mortars, howitzers and heavy machine guns that they need. Ammunition and anti-tank weapons.
Posted by: Mudd at June 19, 2017 04:23 PM (HGnpK)
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When the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy you should stay the fuck out of it.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 19, 2017 04:19 PM (QtQaN)
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Sun Tzu - is that you?
When the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy you should stay the fuck out of it.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at June 19, 2017 04:19 PM (QtQaN)
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Sun Tzu - is that you?
Posted by: Publius Redux at June 19, 2017 04:24 PM (Fb9aZ)
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207 Turn Assad into a woman. CIA can do that as a covert operation. She will be peaceful after that.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner
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You misspelled "hysterical".
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner
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You misspelled "hysterical".
Posted by: Furious George at June 19, 2017 04:25 PM (j+dfT)
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217 Much as I think their current leader is a blooming Islamist lunatic, I'm really starting to wonder if it could get any worse if we basically handed-over that entire region to the Turks and let them rebuild the Ottoman Empire.
Not a great option, but as we're pretty much stuck with varying degrees of "dreadful" options I'm going to toss that one on the pile for consideration.
Posted by: DocJ at June 19, 2017 04:23 PM (NYS7S)
You really do not want Endrogan controlling the flow of middle east energy to Europe...
Not a great option, but as we're pretty much stuck with varying degrees of "dreadful" options I'm going to toss that one on the pile for consideration.
Posted by: DocJ at June 19, 2017 04:23 PM (NYS7S)
You really do not want Endrogan controlling the flow of middle east energy to Europe...
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 04:25 PM (NgKpN)
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The country's defence ministry said it would track US-led coalition aircraft with missile systems and military aircraft, but stopped short of saying it would shoot them down.
______________________
"Mess with the best, flame out like the rest!"
Posted by: rickb223 at June 19, 2017 03:41 PM (vZ0KM)
Yes. It will be interesting to learn how Trump responded to this provocation.
______________________
"Mess with the best, flame out like the rest!"
Posted by: rickb223 at June 19, 2017 03:41 PM (vZ0KM)
Yes. It will be interesting to learn how Trump responded to this provocation.
Posted by: gNewt at June 19, 2017 04:25 PM (5AX1G)
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"A prior thread explained it was a deliberate ramming and that there was about a five minute window to evade.
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That has been debunked. The confusion about the tanker turning around before the collision was due to their clocks being slightly off. They actually turned around after the collision.
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That has been debunked. The confusion about the tanker turning around before the collision was due to their clocks being slightly off. They actually turned around after the collision.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at June 19, 2017 04:25 PM (UBzPO)
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Ever read a history of Germany during the Thirty Years' War?
That's Syria right now.
I'm glad to see that Russia puppet Trump is shooting at Russia puppet Assad in a rather obvious, troglodyte obstruction of justice case. Or something. I'm sure Jim Comey is somewhere feverishly concocting a memo to leak about Trump's body language when discussing the use of F-18s.
That's Syria right now.
I'm glad to see that Russia puppet Trump is shooting at Russia puppet Assad in a rather obvious, troglodyte obstruction of justice case. Or something. I'm sure Jim Comey is somewhere feverishly concocting a memo to leak about Trump's body language when discussing the use of F-18s.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 19, 2017 04:25 PM (B+qrE)
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"Mattis needs to tell us directly what transpired."
I for one wasn't in the least bit convinced by Mattis's official account of events after the purported "Sarin bombing" allegedly by Assad's forces.
There were more hinky evidentiary _deus ex machinae_ than in a bad episode of Law And Order. Lots of very convenient things.
A doctor on the scene says the victims were nerve gassed!!! Yeah, a jihadi "doctor" who had been struck off the rolls in the UK after being prosecuted there on terror charges, and who went to Syria to fight with the IS forces against Assad.
A laboratory detected Sarin!!! Yeah, a laboratory run by the Turks and reporting to Erdogan, who hates Assad as a regional barrier to the neo-Ottoman caliphate Erdogan hopes to establish.
There's eyewitness video of the victims being hosed down to stop their skin from burning from the gas!!! Yeah, Sarin doesn't burn the skin.
I for one wasn't in the least bit convinced by Mattis's official account of events after the purported "Sarin bombing" allegedly by Assad's forces.
There were more hinky evidentiary _deus ex machinae_ than in a bad episode of Law And Order. Lots of very convenient things.
A doctor on the scene says the victims were nerve gassed!!! Yeah, a jihadi "doctor" who had been struck off the rolls in the UK after being prosecuted there on terror charges, and who went to Syria to fight with the IS forces against Assad.
A laboratory detected Sarin!!! Yeah, a laboratory run by the Turks and reporting to Erdogan, who hates Assad as a regional barrier to the neo-Ottoman caliphate Erdogan hopes to establish.
There's eyewitness video of the victims being hosed down to stop their skin from burning from the gas!!! Yeah, Sarin doesn't burn the skin.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 19, 2017 04:26 PM (ujwCG)
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Turn Assad into a woman. CIA can do that as a covert operation. She will be peaceful after that.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at June 19, 2017 04:20 PM (xAvrH)
That's one fugly mess, see you on Botched.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at June 19, 2017 04:20 PM (xAvrH)
That's one fugly mess, see you on Botched.
Posted by: wth at June 19, 2017 04:26 PM (HgMAr)
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War doesn't work that way. If we have good guys over there, fine, let's declare war, and take the consequences as they occur.
If we're not at war, then GET EVERY LAST SWINGING AMERICAN ANTHONY OUT OF THERE!!
Period.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 19, 2017 04:22 PM (TOk1P)
It's almost like a check on the Government's Power in the hands of the Citizenry. You want to play war, Mr. President ? Jump through hoops to get one declared. And even then ... we may not decide to play.
But hell Burt ... ain't you heard ? The good guys are back in charge. They know what they're doing. So get your son's asses enlisted. It's clobberin' time again.
Yeah. Republicans ... totally different than Democrats.
If we're not at war, then GET EVERY LAST SWINGING AMERICAN ANTHONY OUT OF THERE!!
Period.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 19, 2017 04:22 PM (TOk1P)
It's almost like a check on the Government's Power in the hands of the Citizenry. You want to play war, Mr. President ? Jump through hoops to get one declared. And even then ... we may not decide to play.
But hell Burt ... ain't you heard ? The good guys are back in charge. They know what they're doing. So get your son's asses enlisted. It's clobberin' time again.
Yeah. Republicans ... totally different than Democrats.
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 19, 2017 04:27 PM (a94gW)
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The Kurds are the Good Guys, just look at what the did in Northern Iraq when they had some Freedom, and compare that to other places.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 19, 2017 04:28 PM (dKiJG)
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"get us out Trump. fuck those people. we have oil."
Shit, Syria doesn't even have any oil. Not to speak of. They maxed out at 600,000 barrels per day in 1995, and are now actually a net oil importer. Saudi Arabia produces about 10 million bpd, by comparison.
Shit, Syria doesn't even have any oil. Not to speak of. They maxed out at 600,000 barrels per day in 1995, and are now actually a net oil importer. Saudi Arabia produces about 10 million bpd, by comparison.
Posted by: The Editorial Board of National Geographic (Classic Edition) at June 19, 2017 04:28 PM (bR6ww)
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You really do not want Endrogan controlling the flow of middle east energy to Europe...
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 04:25 PM (NgKpN)
The options are Erdogan (awful), Assad (dreadful), IS (uh, no), Russia (no thanks)...
Anyone I left out? Like I said, all options suck so we have to try to bet on the least suck.
Posted by: Don Q. at June 19, 2017 04:25 PM (NgKpN)
The options are Erdogan (awful), Assad (dreadful), IS (uh, no), Russia (no thanks)...
Anyone I left out? Like I said, all options suck so we have to try to bet on the least suck.
Posted by: DocJ at June 19, 2017 04:28 PM (NYS7S)
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OT, but I'd love a post explaining how a US naval destroyer couldn't get out of the way of a container ship.
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De-con-cliction hotline was down?
Tiger Woods was driving?
Kate Upton was waving to the boys from the dock of the bay??
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De-con-cliction hotline was down?
Tiger Woods was driving?
Kate Upton was waving to the boys from the dock of the bay??
Posted by: dananjcon at June 19, 2017 04:28 PM (WLK0w)
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Happiness = No penis. The reason these militant Islamists are so angry is because they are not women. We need to give them mandatory sex changes.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at June 19, 2017 04:29 PM (xAvrH)
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The kid the Norks sent home in a coma has died, RIP.
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 19, 2017 04:29 PM (4e+hS)
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I'm really starting to wonder if it could get any worse if we basically handed-over that entire region to the Turks and let them rebuild the Ottoman Empire.
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It would certainly make the living room seating arrangements more comfortable.
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It would certainly make the living room seating arrangements more comfortable.
Posted by: wth at June 19, 2017 04:29 PM (HgMAr)
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Turn Assad into a woman. CIA can do that as a covert operation. She will be peaceful after that.
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Before: Death to Israel!
After: And did you see her shoes? With that dress?
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Before: Death to Israel!
After: And did you see her shoes? With that dress?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 19, 2017 04:30 PM (Nwg0u)
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It was attacking the rebels that we were supporting.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (mpXpK)
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Yes, and what nitwit up there knows who the "good" rebels are. Why, John McCain, of course.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 03:45 PM (mpXpK)
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Yes, and what nitwit up there knows who the "good" rebels are. Why, John McCain, of course.
Posted by: gNewt at June 19, 2017 04:30 PM (5AX1G)
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The kid the Norks sent home in a coma has died, RIP.
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 19, 2017 04:29 PM (4e+hS)
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Oh gosh, how awful. His poor family.
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 19, 2017 04:29 PM (4e+hS)
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Oh gosh, how awful. His poor family.
Posted by: bluebell ~ send us your recipes! at June 19, 2017 04:30 PM (sBOL1)
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"The options are Erdogan (awful), Assad (dreadful), IS (uh, no), Russia (no thanks)...
Anyone I left out? Like I said, all options suck so we have to try to bet on the least suck."
Maybe put Trump in charge?
Anyone I left out? Like I said, all options suck so we have to try to bet on the least suck."
Maybe put Trump in charge?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 19, 2017 04:30 PM (J+eG2)
Posted by: William Eaton at June 19, 2017 04:31 PM (MuTTO)
Posted by: DocJ at June 19, 2017 04:31 PM (NYS7S)
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233 OT, but I'd love a post explaining how a US naval destroyer couldn't get out of the way of a container ship.
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De-con-cliction hotline was down?
Tiger Woods was driving?
Kate Upton was waving to the boys from the dock of the bay??
Posted by: dananjcon at June 19, 2017 04:28 PM (WLK0w)
I had a Destroyer, I loved to drive it.... I named it.. the Brad Fitzgerald...
But then....
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De-con-cliction hotline was down?
Tiger Woods was driving?
Kate Upton was waving to the boys from the dock of the bay??
Posted by: dananjcon at June 19, 2017 04:28 PM (WLK0w)
I had a Destroyer, I loved to drive it.... I named it.. the Brad Fitzgerald...
But then....
Posted by: Female Quartermaster, USN at June 19, 2017 04:31 PM (NgKpN)
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Would it be so awful to just let Assad beat ISIS and stay on the sidelines and not risk going to WW3 with Russia?
Posted by: publix at June 19, 2017 04:31 PM (0kjoo)
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It is still sputtering rain here just not pouring hard.
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2017 04:31 PM (Ot7+c)
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Let's provide more air support for ISIS. Great idea.
Posted by: WJ at June 19, 2017 04:31 PM (8LTBr)
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Lasted about an hour here. Wicked hail.
Posted by: grammie winger - soon to be dancing at June 19, 2017 04:23 PM (lwiT4)
Yeah, but Skip is in Pa and you're in Wisconsin. Is it true the new state slogan is 'The Land That Hillary Forgot'?
Because I want that tear shirt.
Posted by: grammie winger - soon to be dancing at June 19, 2017 04:23 PM (lwiT4)
Yeah, but Skip is in Pa and you're in Wisconsin. Is it true the new state slogan is 'The Land That Hillary Forgot'?
Because I want that tear shirt.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at June 19, 2017 04:32 PM (HTdUD)
248
"OT, but I'd love a post explaining how a US naval destroyer couldn't get out of the way of a container ship.
"
Live by total faith in technology to keep you safe...
Die by total faith in technology to keep you safe.
(Same goes for lane control and auto-braking on new cars)
"
Live by total faith in technology to keep you safe...
Die by total faith in technology to keep you safe.
(Same goes for lane control and auto-braking on new cars)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 19, 2017 04:32 PM (J+eG2)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 19, 2017 04:32 PM (B+qrE)
250
we can field some new rifles in a variety of
calibers with the rebels for some real world experience. is 300 really
as good as everyone supposes?
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 04:16 PM (0wem/)
I think a 300 is probably too big for most applications other than for marksmen and snipers.
There are other rounds starting at around 25 caliber that make a lot of sense.
calibers with the rebels for some real world experience. is 300 really
as good as everyone supposes?
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 04:16 PM (0wem/)
I think a 300 is probably too big for most applications other than for marksmen and snipers.
There are other rounds starting at around 25 caliber that make a lot of sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:32 PM (rF0hx)
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>>> get us out Trump. fuck those people. we have oil.
"Shit, Syria doesn't even have any oil. Not to speak of."
To this day I hear nitwitted SF Bay Area progtards claiming that the fighting in Syria is "all about oil", and being covertly orchestrated by the likes of Exxon Mobil.
And did you know that Trump's handpicked Secretary of State used to run Exxon Mobil? Bet you didn't know THAT, mister smarty pants right winger!!!
::: groan :::
"Shit, Syria doesn't even have any oil. Not to speak of."
To this day I hear nitwitted SF Bay Area progtards claiming that the fighting in Syria is "all about oil", and being covertly orchestrated by the likes of Exxon Mobil.
And did you know that Trump's handpicked Secretary of State used to run Exxon Mobil? Bet you didn't know THAT, mister smarty pants right winger!!!
::: groan :::
Posted by: torquewrench at June 19, 2017 04:33 PM (ujwCG)
252
Them Russians, what can you do... can't live with them, can't shoot them.
Life was so much simpler under Obama.
Life was so much simpler under Obama.
Posted by: kraken at June 19, 2017 04:33 PM (J8wPE)
253
OMG the Windows center called and there's something wrong w/ my computer!
I told her to get a real job, she's working for a buncha crooks.
I told her to get a real job, she's working for a buncha crooks.
Posted by: Farmer at June 19, 2017 04:33 PM (yJ1e6)
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248 "OT, but I'd love a post explaining how a US naval destroyer couldn't get out of the way of a container ship.
"
Live by total faith in technology to keep you safe...
Die by total faith in technology to keep you safe.
(Same goes for lane control and auto-braking on new cars)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 19, 2017 04:32 PM (J+eG2)
Well... you know that new Google Ships project? the one with self driving ships???
"
Live by total faith in technology to keep you safe...
Die by total faith in technology to keep you safe.
(Same goes for lane control and auto-braking on new cars)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 19, 2017 04:32 PM (J+eG2)
Well... you know that new Google Ships project? the one with self driving ships???
Posted by: Female Quartermaster, USN at June 19, 2017 04:33 PM (NgKpN)
255
So, the NORKS killed a tourist visiting their country.
Something needs to happen in retaliation. Bigly.
That poor family.
Something needs to happen in retaliation. Bigly.
That poor family.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2017 04:33 PM (PY9jH)
256
Why, John McCain, of course.
Posted by: gNewt at June 19, 2017 04:30 PM (5AX1G)
Heh....
I know one thing...if McCain wants it, I'm against it.
Posted by: gNewt at June 19, 2017 04:30 PM (5AX1G)
Heh....
I know one thing...if McCain wants it, I'm against it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:34 PM (rF0hx)
257
"Now that, I blow something up over."
Yeah, something needs to happen there. They abused that kid into a coma and then sent him home to die.
Yeah, something needs to happen there. They abused that kid into a coma and then sent him home to die.
Posted by: The Editorial Board of National Geographic (Classic Edition) at June 19, 2017 04:34 PM (bR6ww)
258
I think a 300 is probably too big for most applications other than for marksmen and snipers.
There are other rounds starting at around 25 caliber that make a lot of sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
+++++
.223 is too small, .300 too large.
6.5mm is probably perfect
There are other rounds starting at around 25 caliber that make a lot of sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
+++++
.223 is too small, .300 too large.
6.5mm is probably perfect
Posted by: publix at June 19, 2017 04:34 PM (0kjoo)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 19, 2017 04:34 PM (Nwg0u)
260
Here is my oft repeated idea for a vehicle safety device.
Remove the steering wheel mounted airbag from all automobiles.
Install a 4 inch surgical steel spike facing the driver in its place.
Helps to focus the mind on the task at hand.
Remove the steering wheel mounted airbag from all automobiles.
Install a 4 inch surgical steel spike facing the driver in its place.
Helps to focus the mind on the task at hand.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 19, 2017 04:34 PM (J+eG2)
261
@180 ...
This isn't really that complicated, and it's rather amazing to see so-called "conservatives" say "oh yeah, Obama was right, we should just walk away and pretend nothing is happening while we talk a big game."
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 04:14 PM (OmOvC)
You @%#$#$$^ !!!
I thought **I** was going to get to be the first to voice approval!
This is AWESOME, a classic case of MAGA! (No, not kidding.) In increasing importance:
(1) I, for one, find great comfort in the fact that our aircraft can actually chase down someone else's aircraft, and blow if out of the sky if we like. I hear it's been something like 18 YEARS since we've been able to PROVE that our uber-expensive, uber-capable military equipment STILL WORKS REALLY WELL.
(2) Shows the world that - unlike for the last 8 years, the US is DEFINITELY NOT a "paper tiger".
(3) The reaction from the Russians - the Big Bad Bear, Mr Putin himself - was PRICELESS. Oohh! They're gonna "track" us - we're SOOOO SCARED!! It's nice to FINALLY see THOSE GUYS be all Big Talk and No Action. MAGA!!!
Syria doesn't even have control of that part of their territory!! If they DID, and were harboring ISIS, that would make them enemies we were at war with. Since the DON'T, it means were cleaning up the cockroaches in THEIR kitchen. They got a lot of NERVE interfering. I'm not sure I'd call Assad's a legitimate government, anyway.
In summary, Trump is wiping out ISIS over there, and isn't f-ing around with any scumbags who try to interfere with it, or endanger our forces and allies. It's very, very MAGA!
This isn't really that complicated, and it's rather amazing to see so-called "conservatives" say "oh yeah, Obama was right, we should just walk away and pretend nothing is happening while we talk a big game."
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 04:14 PM (OmOvC)
You @%#$#$$^ !!!
I thought **I** was going to get to be the first to voice approval!
This is AWESOME, a classic case of MAGA! (No, not kidding.) In increasing importance:
(1) I, for one, find great comfort in the fact that our aircraft can actually chase down someone else's aircraft, and blow if out of the sky if we like. I hear it's been something like 18 YEARS since we've been able to PROVE that our uber-expensive, uber-capable military equipment STILL WORKS REALLY WELL.
(2) Shows the world that - unlike for the last 8 years, the US is DEFINITELY NOT a "paper tiger".
(3) The reaction from the Russians - the Big Bad Bear, Mr Putin himself - was PRICELESS. Oohh! They're gonna "track" us - we're SOOOO SCARED!! It's nice to FINALLY see THOSE GUYS be all Big Talk and No Action. MAGA!!!
Syria doesn't even have control of that part of their territory!! If they DID, and were harboring ISIS, that would make them enemies we were at war with. Since the DON'T, it means were cleaning up the cockroaches in THEIR kitchen. They got a lot of NERVE interfering. I'm not sure I'd call Assad's a legitimate government, anyway.
In summary, Trump is wiping out ISIS over there, and isn't f-ing around with any scumbags who try to interfere with it, or endanger our forces and allies. It's very, very MAGA!
Posted by: Optimizer at June 19, 2017 04:35 PM (EnK/R)
262
Otto Warmbier has passed away. RIP.. prayers for his family.
Posted by: DeplorableJewells45 at June 19, 2017 04:35 PM (CNHr1)
263
Until Hillary lit up the ME Assad was not a problem.
Posted by: gNewt at June 19, 2017 04:35 PM (5AX1G)
264
OT:
Otto Warmbier, the college student who was released from a North Korea prison last week, has died
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/876903189982916608
Otto Warmbier, the college student who was released from a North Korea prison last week, has died
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/876903189982916608
Posted by: The Political Hat at June 19, 2017 04:35 PM (vBeA5)
265
OMG the Windows center called and there's something wrong w/ my computer!
I told her to get a real job, she's working for a buncha crooks.
Posted by: Farmer at June 19, 2017 04:33 PM (yJ1e6)
A friend of ours told the "Windows center" guy he was busy watching the Windows guy's mom doing pron.
OMG the Windows center called and there's something wrong w/ my computer!
I told her to get a real job, she's working for a buncha crooks.
Posted by: Farmer at June 19, 2017 04:33 PM (yJ1e6)
A friend of ours told the "Windows center" guy he was busy watching the Windows guy's mom doing pron.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 19, 2017 04:35 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: dantesed at June 19, 2017 04:35 PM (88xKn)
267
If we got into a real war with Russia, what would the NeverTrumper Republicans move to next?
The beauty contestant Trump called fat?
The beauty contestant Trump called fat?
Posted by: publix at June 19, 2017 04:35 PM (0kjoo)
268
Sucks that the guy died. I also have a bit of a fascination with N. Korea. I enjoy reading about it and watching documentaries on it. I'm not stupid enough to actually seriously want to travel there though. It's usually best to avoid playing stupid games.
Posted by: John Marston at June 19, 2017 04:36 PM (SkuXa)
269
I know one thing...if McCain wants it, I'm against it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:34 PM (rF0hx)
Can't think of a single time that rule steered me wrong ...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:34 PM (rF0hx)
Can't think of a single time that rule steered me wrong ...
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 19, 2017 04:36 PM (a94gW)
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 19, 2017 04:36 PM (4e+hS)
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"OMG the Windows center called and there's something wrong w/ my computer! "
Did you ask them which particular unit, as you have three of them online as they speak?
Did you ask them which particular unit, as you have three of them online as they speak?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 19, 2017 04:36 PM (J+eG2)
272
The Saudi's are never going to be considered "good guys", but they are, in fact, doing a hell of a lot of work these days to support our military and strategic goals in the area, more than they have ever done before. (it's because they're finally scared, of course)
The Great Conflict which is looming, of course, is the final Shia/Sunni knock down/dragout, with the Saudis and the other gulf states being the core of Sunni power, and Iran, of course, being the Shia force.
Iran is not just about the Shiite version of Islam, of course Iran also will always have the dreams of resurrecting Persia, the empire they once had which controlled everything from the Mediterranean to China. They believe that they could have that again, and that only the Great Satan and all of his Little Satans are stopping him. Does it need to be said that a new Persian Empire is NOT going to be a good thing for anyone in the West?
The Saudi's are waging the fight in Yemen against Iran's proxies, who wish to establish an Iranian puppet state near the shipping lanes so that Iran could shut down oil shipments from the Gulf with ship to ship missiles. The Saudis are leading the boycott/encirclement of Qatar, the Gulf State that sold out completely to the Iranians. The Saudis are providing the financing for the Syrian rebels and the Kurds, such as it is, because Assad is allied with Iran. The Saudi's have even secretly allied themselves with Israel, and they are sharing military tech and information. (which is another reason the Pali's are falling off everyones radar)
So while the Saudi's will never be "good guys", right now they're about as good an ally as we've ever had in the region, and I can't think of anything that we've asked them to do lately that they haven't done for us.
The Great Conflict which is looming, of course, is the final Shia/Sunni knock down/dragout, with the Saudis and the other gulf states being the core of Sunni power, and Iran, of course, being the Shia force.
Iran is not just about the Shiite version of Islam, of course Iran also will always have the dreams of resurrecting Persia, the empire they once had which controlled everything from the Mediterranean to China. They believe that they could have that again, and that only the Great Satan and all of his Little Satans are stopping him. Does it need to be said that a new Persian Empire is NOT going to be a good thing for anyone in the West?
The Saudi's are waging the fight in Yemen against Iran's proxies, who wish to establish an Iranian puppet state near the shipping lanes so that Iran could shut down oil shipments from the Gulf with ship to ship missiles. The Saudis are leading the boycott/encirclement of Qatar, the Gulf State that sold out completely to the Iranians. The Saudis are providing the financing for the Syrian rebels and the Kurds, such as it is, because Assad is allied with Iran. The Saudi's have even secretly allied themselves with Israel, and they are sharing military tech and information. (which is another reason the Pali's are falling off everyones radar)
So while the Saudi's will never be "good guys", right now they're about as good an ally as we've ever had in the region, and I can't think of anything that we've asked them to do lately that they haven't done for us.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 04:36 PM (OmOvC)
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I would guess that subordinates were not trained to make major moves on their own authority. A prior thread explained it was a deliberate ramming and that there was about a five minute window to evade.
The thinking is that the Captain was still putting on his pants.
Posted by: Mudd at June 19, 2017 04:20 PM (HGnpK)
I seriously doubt that. Several officers aboard a ship are certified for command watch
I would guess that subordinates were not trained to make major moves on their own authority. A prior thread explained it was a deliberate ramming and that there was about a five minute window to evade.
The thinking is that the Captain was still putting on his pants.
Posted by: Mudd at June 19, 2017 04:20 PM (HGnpK)
I seriously doubt that. Several officers aboard a ship are certified for command watch
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at June 19, 2017 04:36 PM (lKyWE)
274
After seeing the footage of the Fitz damage, I wonder what that collision would have done to a clitoral ship.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 19, 2017 04:37 PM (jsWA8)
275
I know one thing...if McCain wants it, I'm against it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
++++
In some alternate timeline, had McCain won in 2008, we'd probably be at war with the entire Middle East and Russia as well.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
++++
In some alternate timeline, had McCain won in 2008, we'd probably be at war with the entire Middle East and Russia as well.
Posted by: publix at June 19, 2017 04:37 PM (0kjoo)
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That poor kid. I feel bad for his family, finally getting him back, and then he dies. I hope they do an autopsy to find out what the North Koreans did to him. As long as we're bombing people - I'm making a list.
Posted by: grammie winger - soon to be dancing at June 19, 2017 04:37 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 19, 2017 04:38 PM (J+eG2)
278
yep.
every. fucking. time. since. WW2.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 19, 2017 04:20 PM (nFwvY)
Yep. It never works. That's how we got the Ayatollah and the Militant Mutts running Iran. It's how we got Saddam. It's how we got the Muslim Brotherhood. It's how we got Al Qaeda. It's how we got ISIS. Unfortunately, the only thing that works in the ME is the form of government they actually want--A STRONG, RUTHLESS, (YET BENEVOLENT--if you don't screw with him) WARLORD. It's what their belief system and religion is geared towards.
every. fucking. time. since. WW2.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 19, 2017 04:20 PM (nFwvY)
Yep. It never works. That's how we got the Ayatollah and the Militant Mutts running Iran. It's how we got Saddam. It's how we got the Muslim Brotherhood. It's how we got Al Qaeda. It's how we got ISIS. Unfortunately, the only thing that works in the ME is the form of government they actually want--A STRONG, RUTHLESS, (YET BENEVOLENT--if you don't screw with him) WARLORD. It's what their belief system and religion is geared towards.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is not a vinegar-c**ted hag, thank you very much. at June 19, 2017 04:38 PM (kXoT0)
279
Nood backlash.
Posted by: tbodie at June 19, 2017 04:38 PM (3C84c)
280
I hear you, grammie. My family is actually talking about this on our group text right now. My husband just wrote "Make them pay! Thanks, Obama, you coward."
Posted by: bluebell ~ send us your recipes! at June 19, 2017 04:38 PM (sBOL1)
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OMG the Windows center called and there's something wrong w/ my computer!
..........
Did they offer you a deal on a vacation because you stayed at one of their resorts in the past?
..........
Did they offer you a deal on a vacation because you stayed at one of their resorts in the past?
Posted by: wth at June 19, 2017 04:39 PM (HgMAr)
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I think a 300 is probably too big for most applications other than for marksmen and snipers.
There are other rounds starting at around 25 caliber that make a lot of sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
+++++
.223 is too small, .300 too large.
6.5mm is probably perfect
-
So you're looking for a Goldilocks round?
There are other rounds starting at around 25 caliber that make a lot of sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
+++++
.223 is too small, .300 too large.
6.5mm is probably perfect
-
So you're looking for a Goldilocks round?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, the Unwoking Dead at June 19, 2017 04:39 PM (Nwg0u)
283
*I'm making a list.
Posted by: grammie winger - soon to be dancing at June 19, 2017 04:37 PM (lwiT4)*
I never want to be on grammies list.
Posted by: grammie winger - soon to be dancing at June 19, 2017 04:37 PM (lwiT4)*
I never want to be on grammies list.
Posted by: tbodie at June 19, 2017 04:39 PM (3C84c)
284
there is no consensus for us to be there. even on the right.
so winning is out.
it's hard enough to win even with a consensus. without one? not much chance at all.
I guess I could be convinced it's our fight, but no one has tried.
Congress is a bunch of useless queers other than Rand.
so winning is out.
it's hard enough to win even with a consensus. without one? not much chance at all.
I guess I could be convinced it's our fight, but no one has tried.
Congress is a bunch of useless queers other than Rand.
Posted by: The Original REAL Galactic Lord Sir Covfefe at June 19, 2017 04:40 PM (nFwvY)
285
There is another line after the first but not showing red on the radar
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2017 04:40 PM (Ot7+c)
286
So you're looking for a Goldilocks round?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
+++++
6.5 Grendel is supposed to be a pretty perfect round for what they want to replace the M-16 5.56mm round with
Definitely looks like an improvement to me
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
+++++
6.5 Grendel is supposed to be a pretty perfect round for what they want to replace the M-16 5.56mm round with
Definitely looks like an improvement to me
Posted by: publix at June 19, 2017 04:40 PM (0kjoo)
287
Geez Otto Warbier died. RIP
Posted by: Marcus T at June 19, 2017 04:40 PM (dr4xE)
288
" I wonder what that collision would have done to a clitoral ship."
Due to it's design, and minimum manning, it probably would not have survived.
Honestly.
Due to it's design, and minimum manning, it probably would not have survived.
Honestly.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 19, 2017 04:41 PM (J+eG2)
289
6.5mm is probably perfect
Posted by: publix at June 19, 2017 04:34 PM (0kjoo)
How's the 6.8mm Remington SPC?
That's got some oomph behind it.
Posted by: publix at June 19, 2017 04:34 PM (0kjoo)
How's the 6.8mm Remington SPC?
That's got some oomph behind it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 19, 2017 04:42 PM (rF0hx)
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193. Gotcha. We'll let you stay with Raqaa and Kiev, then.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. All Honor & Glory to Kekistan! at June 19, 2017 04:43 PM (zNq6/)
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6.5mm is probably perfect
Posted by: publix at June 19, 2017 04:34 PM (0kjoo)
How's the 6.8mm Remington SPC?
That's got some oomph behind it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
________
I could behind either one.
Although I think the 5.56mm being weak is overstated, it was a mistake and made on a lot of flawed assumptions.
Posted by: publix at June 19, 2017 04:34 PM (0kjoo)
How's the 6.8mm Remington SPC?
That's got some oomph behind it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
________
I could behind either one.
Although I think the 5.56mm being weak is overstated, it was a mistake and made on a lot of flawed assumptions.
Posted by: publix at June 19, 2017 04:43 PM (0kjoo)
292
I shoot a lot of 6.5mm - 260 Remington and 6.5x284.
Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2017 04:47 PM (Sfs6o)
293
Meant 6.5-284.
Posted by: Weasel at June 19, 2017 04:48 PM (Sfs6o)
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183 "Trump should activate the draft of all 18-25 year olds immediately. We're at war for chrissakes. "
Half of them would be 4F right away.
Maybe more.
They'll run like the yellow turds that they are and head to Canada. Winning!
Half of them would be 4F right away.
Maybe more.
They'll run like the yellow turds that they are and head to Canada. Winning!
Posted by: Under Fire at June 19, 2017 04:49 PM (l4aLi)
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"288
" I wonder what that collision would have done to a clitoral ship."
Due to it's design, and minimum manning, it probably would not have survived."
Oh no, I think you're wrong. I think it would have just slipped in, and then out again without leaving much of a mark. Unless it was just Too Big.
" I wonder what that collision would have done to a clitoral ship."
Due to it's design, and minimum manning, it probably would not have survived."
Oh no, I think you're wrong. I think it would have just slipped in, and then out again without leaving much of a mark. Unless it was just Too Big.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2017 04:56 PM (OmOvC)
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Even though I stayed at a Holiday Inn my opinion and $4.59 will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks, I think our Syrian policy is fucked up just as much as the man pushing for it, John Bottom of his Class McCain.
Posted by: Jack Sock at June 19, 2017 04:57 PM (ckk1c)
297
I think a 300 is probably too big for most applications other than for marksmen and snipers.
There are other rounds starting at around 25 caliber that make a lot of sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June
fair enough. I would just be interested in getting real world feedback on performance.
There are other rounds starting at around 25 caliber that make a lot of sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June
fair enough. I would just be interested in getting real world feedback on performance.
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 05:04 PM (0wem/)
298
has there been info on how the su22 was brought down? missile or hosed with cannon?
Posted by: yankeefifth at June 19, 2017 05:04 PM (0wem/)
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When informed that the US had shot down a plane over Syria John McCain got his first non-chemically assisted chubbie since 1997.
Posted by: Lower class person whose opinion must be guided at June 19, 2017 05:11 PM (oBuXO)
300
we need to leave those assholes to kill themselves w/o our involvement. There isn't anyone in DC right now that I would trust in picking sides over there. There are no good guys.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 03:44 PM (mpXpK)p/i]
That's my impression too. Sure, we can get involved, but what, exactly, is the goal? We have no interests or connections in Syria - it was a Russian client state forever. No principles, either -
there's no appetite for a secular government in the populace.
We do have some interest in guaranteeing Iraq's borders, because we broke their army (and, frankly, their society). We should do that. But we're already way more involved in Syria than we should be.
Speaking of involvement, I'll bet anyone $5 the real reason we shot that plane down is it was bombing, not our putative friends, but American troops that aren't supposed to be there.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 19, 2017 03:44 PM (mpXpK)p/i]
That's my impression too. Sure, we can get involved, but what, exactly, is the goal? We have no interests or connections in Syria - it was a Russian client state forever. No principles, either -
there's no appetite for a secular government in the populace.
We do have some interest in guaranteeing Iraq's borders, because we broke their army (and, frankly, their society). We should do that. But we're already way more involved in Syria than we should be.
Speaking of involvement, I'll bet anyone $5 the real reason we shot that plane down is it was bombing, not our putative friends, but American troops that aren't supposed to be there.
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New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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