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Mid-Morning Open Thread
Thomas Jonathan Jackson
Charles Keck
Let us cross over the river and rest under the shade of the trees.General Jackson died on this day in 1863, about a week after being wounded at Chancellorsville, where he and Lee kicked the Army of The Potomac's ass.
Barbara Frietchie
By John Greenleaf Whittier
Up from the meadows rich with corn,
Clear in the cool September morn, The clustered spires of Frederick stand
Green-walled by the hills of Maryland. Round about them orchards sweep,
Apple-and peach-tree fruited deep, Fair as a garden of the Lord
To the eyes of the famished rebel horde, On that pleasant morn of the early fall
When Lee marched over the mountain wall,— Over the mountains winding down,
Horse and foot, into Frederick town. Forty flags with their silver stars,
Forty flags with their crimson bars, Flapped in the morning wind: the sun
Of noon looked down, and saw not one. Up rose old Barbara Frietchie then,
Bowed with her fourscore years and ten; Bravest of all in Frederick town,
She took up the flag the men hauled down; In her attic window the staff she set,
To show that one heart was loyal yet. Up the street came the rebel tread,
Stonewall Jackson riding ahead. Under his slouched hat left and right
He glanced: the old flag met his sight. “Halt!”— the dust-brown ranks stood fast.
“Fire!”— out blazed the rifle-blast. It shivered the window, pane and sash;
It rent the banner with seam and gash. Quick, as it fell, from the broken staff
Dame Barbara snatched the silken scarf; She leaned far out on the window-sill,
And shook it forth with a royal will. “Shoot, if you must, this old gray head,
But spare your country’s flag,” she said. A shade of sadness, a blush of shame,
Over the face of the leader came; The nobler nature within him stirred
To life at that woman’s deed and word: “Who touches a hair of yon gray head
Dies like a dog! March on!” he said. All day long through Frederick street
Sounded the tread of marching feet: All day long that free flag tost
Over the heads of the rebel host. Ever its torn folds rose and fell
On the loyal winds that loved it well; And through the hill-gaps sunset light
Shone over it with a warm good-night. Barbara Frietchie’s work is o’er,
And the Rebel rides on his raids no more. Honor to her! and let a tear
Fall, for her sake, on Stonewall’s bier. Over Barbara Frietchie’s grave
Flag of Freedom and Union, wave! Peace and order and beauty draw
Round thy symbol of light and law; And ever the stars above look down
On thy stars below in Frederick town!
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Good ole' Stonewall.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 09:29 AM (mC1ZI)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 09:29 AM (fceHP)
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First? That's not art, btw. It's a statue.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 10, 2017 09:30 AM (vRcUp)
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He who controls the past controls the present.
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 10, 2017 09:30 AM (hMwEB)
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I have seen those statues, and the idea that they "lionize" the Confederacy is laughable. They honor courageous men, and important figures in our past. And when I see Stonewall Jackson on his horse, I think not of slavery, which was rightly cast into the dustbin of history, but of a brave and resourceful and honorable man.
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Jackson did own slaves, but he's one of those guys who treated his slaves really well. I think he got them when he married his wife. He never bought or sold any.
He was also a typical Virginian who was against secession until Lincoln's call for 70,000 troops.
His biography by Bud Robertson is an absolutely phenomenal read and is highly recommended.
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Jackson did own slaves, but he's one of those guys who treated his slaves really well. I think he got them when he married his wife. He never bought or sold any.
He was also a typical Virginian who was against secession until Lincoln's call for 70,000 troops.
His biography by Bud Robertson is an absolutely phenomenal read and is highly recommended.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 09:31 AM (mC1ZI)
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Uh oh. This is headed no good way.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 09:31 AM (lwiT4)
7
I hear Britain is going to tear down the Roman baths and what remains of Hadrian's wall.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 09:31 AM (EV+4+)
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The ironic part about removing the PGT Beauregard statue is that he was in favor of full desegregation and voting rights for blacks. He was chairman of the Unification Movement after the civil war.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 10, 2017 09:31 AM (UBzPO)
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The equestrian portrait has a long, ancient history in art--West and East. It is dripping with allegory, and is one of the most common images of power and leadership.
Posted by: Kris at May 10, 2017 09:32 AM (nwqNw)
10
For the time being, Alexandria, VA has managed to deter revisionists' recent attempts to relocate the Confederate soldier statue at the intersection of Prince Street and S. Washington Street.
For the time being...
For the time being...
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 09:32 AM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 10, 2017 09:32 AM (mbhDw)
12
The Left always lies.
Lie about history.
Lie about current events.
Lie about science.
Lie, lie, lie.
They just hate the truth.
Lie about history.
Lie about current events.
Lie about science.
Lie, lie, lie.
They just hate the truth.
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 10, 2017 09:32 AM (hMwEB)
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10 For the time being, Alexandria, VA has managed to deter revisionists' recent attempts to relocate the Confederate soldier statue at the intersection of Prince Street and S. Washington Street.
For the time being...
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 09:32 AM (Bdeb0)
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Charleston still has it's statue of John C. Calhoun in the middle of the city.
It was even targeted and defaced when BLM started.
For the time being...
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 09:32 AM (Bdeb0)
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Charleston still has it's statue of John C. Calhoun in the middle of the city.
It was even targeted and defaced when BLM started.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 09:33 AM (mC1ZI)
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Old Stonewall was one of the most deeply religious men to serve in any way, and was known to be in prayer constantly inside his tent. He also was somewhat of a mathematical genius, although his battlefield success was due more to the fact that he had a talent for anticipating whatever plan the enemy was going to follow, and doing the thing that they never considered possible. He was the absolute master of surprise. (That almost reminds me of someone today)
Given his depth of faith, and considering that he undoubtedly prayed constantly for God to protect him and his men from the bullets of his enemies, I find it more than a little coincidental that he was only killed by accidental fire from his own troops. The one thing that he would have never considered possible.
His life, and his death, has all the elements of a Homeric legend.
Given his depth of faith, and considering that he undoubtedly prayed constantly for God to protect him and his men from the bullets of his enemies, I find it more than a little coincidental that he was only killed by accidental fire from his own troops. The one thing that he would have never considered possible.
His life, and his death, has all the elements of a Homeric legend.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2017 09:33 AM (V2Yro)
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Uh oh. This is headed no good way.
Posted by: grammie winger
Never is when bluebellies start waxing about the War of Yankee Aggression.
Posted by: grammie winger
Never is when bluebellies start waxing about the War of Yankee Aggression.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 09:33 AM (o+pgY)
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Up rose old Barbara Frietchie then,
Bowed with her fourscore years and ten;
Nice, but Whittier just didn't go far enough!
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Up rose old Barbara Frietchie then,
Bowed with her fourscore years and ten;
That's a nonagenarian
Quite the contrarian
From the old days -- when women were men!!
Bowed with her fourscore years and ten;
Nice, but Whittier just didn't go far enough!
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Up rose old Barbara Frietchie then,
Bowed with her fourscore years and ten;
That's a nonagenarian
Quite the contrarian
From the old days -- when women were men!!
Posted by: Muldoon at May 10, 2017 09:33 AM (wPiJc)
17
IIRC "Dixie" was written by a New York Jew! Oh the humanity!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 10, 2017 09:32 AM (mbhDw)
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Seriously? Well huh.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 10, 2017 09:32 AM (mbhDw)
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Seriously? Well huh.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 09:33 AM (lwiT4)
18
Richmond has a Museum of the Confederate Soldier. I visited 15 years ago or so. I wondered then how long till it was gone.
Still there.
Still there.
Posted by: blaster at May 10, 2017 09:33 AM (nKPgU)
19
"Crying" Chuck Schumer asked all Dem Senators to be on floor for McConnell's defense of the Comey firing.
Dem's are all about theatrics.
Dem's are all about theatrics.
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 09:34 AM (hdpay)
20
Bill Whittle's joke at the end of the Trifecta video of Obama's (monument to himself) "library" model that won was interesting.
Wrapping a rope around his "monument to himself" - as if to pull it down. I lol'd. moment 7:28
And, Green's comment about set design for Logan's Run.
haha
Bill Whittle's joke at the end of the Trifecta video of Obama's (monument to himself) "library" model that won was interesting.
Wrapping a rope around his "monument to himself" - as if to pull it down. I lol'd. moment 7:28
And, Green's comment about set design for Logan's Run.
haha
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 09:34 AM (fceHP)
21
Worry not ... if the Progs ever take over - we'll have more statues than you can shake a stick at.
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass.
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 09:34 AM (xIBU4)
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21 Worry not ... if the Progs ever take over - we'll have more statues than you can shake a stick at.
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 09:34 AM (xIBU4)
Don't forget the trophies. And medals. And epaulettes.
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 09:34 AM (xIBU4)
Don't forget the trophies. And medals. And epaulettes.
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 10, 2017 09:35 AM (hMwEB)
23
War of Northern Aggression!
Posted by: grnberet at May 10, 2017 09:35 AM (JJOFi)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 10, 2017 09:35 AM (2x9LM)
25
Are the Left the same people who were in love with the nuance in the Star Wars prequel when it said there were heroes on both sides....?
This world has become strange to me, just as I'm sure I've become strange to it.
This world has become strange to me, just as I'm sure I've become strange to it.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 10, 2017 09:35 AM (tVWQB)
26
Crying Chuck up now. Look at all the solemn Dem faces.
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 09:35 AM (hdpay)
27
21 Worry not ... if the Progs ever take over - we'll have more statues than you can shake a stick at.
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 09:34 AM (xIBU4)
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"Tear down that statue of Robert E. Lee and replace it with a real hero: Sandra Fluke!"
-Very smart college student who's thinking of changing her major after passing only her gender studies class in an effort to get more women into STEM fields
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 09:34 AM (xIBU4)
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"Tear down that statue of Robert E. Lee and replace it with a real hero: Sandra Fluke!"
-Very smart college student who's thinking of changing her major after passing only her gender studies class in an effort to get more women into STEM fields
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 09:36 AM (mC1ZI)
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In conjunction to the post:
When Confederate Statues Are Removed, Are We Unfairly Erasing History?
http://acculturated.com/confederate-statues-removed-unfairly-erasing-history/
In conjunction to the post:
When Confederate Statues Are Removed, Are We Unfairly Erasing History?
http://acculturated.com/confederate-statues-removed-unfairly-erasing-history/
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 09:36 AM (fceHP)
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I am curious about New Orleans' reasoning here. Jackson was Virginian, not Louisianian. If it's not about the Confederacy, than what? And why would any government willingly erect symbols celebrating rebellion against the government? However, I do not support destroying art ever.
Posted by: Kris at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (nwqNw)
30
McConnell should just point at the Dems and laugh.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (4ErVI)
31
Rumor has it that the plan for these statues in New Orleans once they're removed is to move them to Whitney Plantation, a private site recently purchased by one of the mayors friends who turned it into a "museum". A slavery amusement park. It's neat how Democrats can still profit from slavery while calling the rest of us racists.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (UBzPO)
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I often wonder how the war would have gone had Jackson not been killed. I think he would've seen the folly of Pickett's charge and perhaps talked Lee out of it.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (kTF2Z)
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Here is The National Laughingstock gleefully tarring anyone with any respect for the Confederacy as an "extremist."
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They can tar me all they want. They'll have to kill me to shut me up.
I'm proud of my Confederate ancestors. I don't claim the Union ones.
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They can tar me all they want. They'll have to kill me to shut me up.
I'm proud of my Confederate ancestors. I don't claim the Union ones.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (vg8iE)
34
Nathan Bedford Forrest for FBI Director.
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (Bdeb0)
35
I'm sure I'll be called racist (and petty) for this, but yesterday when Obama came back in the news with his cow fart speech one of the things that always bugged me finally crystalized as a coherent thought.
For 8 long years we were treated to photograph after photograph of him with open collar, no tie, maybe a sport jacket, and the famous feet up on a desk one. Contrast that to president Trump. When he is photographed working always a tie and jacket, usually buttoned. He looks like an executive.
I know I'm old and set in my ways, but come on. I'm better dressed in my own office even when I'm not expecting people to come in. The president should look the part and Obama rarely did.
For 8 long years we were treated to photograph after photograph of him with open collar, no tie, maybe a sport jacket, and the famous feet up on a desk one. Contrast that to president Trump. When he is photographed working always a tie and jacket, usually buttoned. He looks like an executive.
I know I'm old and set in my ways, but come on. I'm better dressed in my own office even when I'm not expecting people to come in. The president should look the part and Obama rarely did.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at May 10, 2017 09:38 AM (kUmUV)
36
Week before last we went again to Galena. We stayed in what was once Grant's headquarters - the old DeSoto Hotel. We toured the museum where two things struck me. One - There were nine Union Generals from Galena, which is quite a small town. What are the odds? Secondly, Mrs. Grant's shoes were on display. I swear, they are so tiny my seven year old could probably where them. People seemed awfully little back then.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 09:38 AM (lwiT4)
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PGT Beauregard was one of the best Generals the South had, but he also illustrated the structural problems of the Confederacy, which led to their loss.
He was the head of the Louisiana regiments, and he served under Lee and later Bragg, but he owed his duty and loyalty to Louisiana, not to the Confederacy, which made following orders kind of a gentlemanly, honorable thing to do, but not absolutely necessary, especially under Braxton Bragg, who he hated. This led to some notable battlefield blowups. (cont'd)
He was the head of the Louisiana regiments, and he served under Lee and later Bragg, but he owed his duty and loyalty to Louisiana, not to the Confederacy, which made following orders kind of a gentlemanly, honorable thing to do, but not absolutely necessary, especially under Braxton Bragg, who he hated. This led to some notable battlefield blowups. (cont'd)
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2017 09:39 AM (V2Yro)
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Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 10, 2017 09:31 AM (UBzPO)
No wonder the modern plantation owners had to get rid of any reminder of him.
No wonder the modern plantation owners had to get rid of any reminder of him.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 10, 2017 09:39 AM (sEDyY)
39
>>Bill Whittle's joke at the end of the Trifecta video of Obama's (monument to himself) "library" model that won was interesting.
Link?
Link?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 10, 2017 09:39 AM (NOIQH)
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19; as i said last nite, chucky needs to suck start a 12 gauge. preferably an over under beretta. that way he can stay classy right to the end. nausea personified.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 09:39 AM (KP5rU)
41
Chuckle is off his mess.
Posted by: Fox2! at May 10, 2017 09:39 AM (brIR5)
42
My former boss referred to the Civil War as the War of Northern Aggression.
Posted by: Ron in Austin at May 10, 2017 09:39 AM (K0xn1)
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32 I often wonder how the war would have gone had Jackson not been killed. I think he would've seen the folly of Pickett's charge and perhaps talked Lee out of it.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (kTF2Z)
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There's a reason Lee felt like he had lost the equivalent of 50,000 men with Jackson's death.
If Gettysburg had started the same way, Jackson would have probably led some kind of major flanking maneuver over 20 miles in a day that would have attacked the Union in the rear or something.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (kTF2Z)
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There's a reason Lee felt like he had lost the equivalent of 50,000 men with Jackson's death.
If Gettysburg had started the same way, Jackson would have probably led some kind of major flanking maneuver over 20 miles in a day that would have attacked the Union in the rear or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 09:39 AM (mC1ZI)
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He was no Sherman.
Posted by: garrett at May 10, 2017 09:40 AM (FEM4d)
45
Anyone watching Chuckie on Fox? Check out Patty Murray's face. She looks like a mean middle school teacher.
And screw the Progs who are so giddy over removing every statue or memorial to our past.
I guess they'll insist on blasting the face of Stone Mountain next.
And screw the Progs who are so giddy over removing every statue or memorial to our past.
I guess they'll insist on blasting the face of Stone Mountain next.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 09:40 AM (PY9jH)
46
Qmess == meds
Posted by: Fox2! at May 10, 2017 09:40 AM (brIR5)
47
Hurrah! Hurrah for the Confederacy! HURRAH! Down with General Grant! Hurrah for General... what's his name? Lee! LEE! Ha ha! God is with us because he hates the Yanks too. HURRAH!
Posted by: Fritz at May 10, 2017 09:40 AM (2Mnv1)
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that would have attacked the Union in the rear or something.
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Oooooh, tell me more....
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Oooooh, tell me more....
Posted by: Shep! at May 10, 2017 09:40 AM (vg8iE)
49
Here is a FBI director pick replacement that will really piss them off.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/m2cph4d
"Trump Fires Comey, Can Sheriff David Clarke Fill His Shoes? "
http://preview.tinyurl.com/m2cph4d
"Trump Fires Comey, Can Sheriff David Clarke Fill His Shoes? "
Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 10, 2017 09:40 AM (r5KeJ)
50
I had to turn off Crying Schumer....too much sanctimony this early in the morning.
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 09:41 AM (hdpay)
51
Check out Patty Murray's face.
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She always looks to me like she's unsure if this fart is going to be dry or wet.
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She always looks to me like she's unsure if this fart is going to be dry or wet.
Posted by: Shep! at May 10, 2017 09:41 AM (vg8iE)
52
Democracy dies in darkness.
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 09:41 AM (Bdeb0)
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21 Worry not ... if the Progs ever take over - we'll have more statues than you can shake a stick at.
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass
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Don't forget the armbands.
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass
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Don't forget the armbands.
Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at May 10, 2017 09:41 AM (oPl0w)
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18 Richmond has a Museum of the Confederate Soldier. I visited 15 years ago or so. I wondered then how long till it was gone.
Still there.
Posted by: blaster at May 10, 2017 09:33 AM (nKPgU)
The Brits disgraced their Imperial War Museum in London. 40,000,000 pounds to refurbish it & about 60% of the artifacts previously on display are now in storage. Things like Montgomery's tank & T.E. Lawrence's robes. Most of the displays are interactive touchscreens & modern art. What real historical artifacts there are are jumbled together with no narrative flow & no descriptive labels. The central object on display is a Press Land Rover damaged by an IED somewhere. Barely any notice is given to Britain after WWII, and nothing before WWI.
Still there.
Posted by: blaster at May 10, 2017 09:33 AM (nKPgU)
The Brits disgraced their Imperial War Museum in London. 40,000,000 pounds to refurbish it & about 60% of the artifacts previously on display are now in storage. Things like Montgomery's tank & T.E. Lawrence's robes. Most of the displays are interactive touchscreens & modern art. What real historical artifacts there are are jumbled together with no narrative flow & no descriptive labels. The central object on display is a Press Land Rover damaged by an IED somewhere. Barely any notice is given to Britain after WWII, and nothing before WWI.
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 09:41 AM (7HtZB)
55
Not for nothing, but the dill weeds in Charlottesville who are leading this effort learned all they know about the war from watching Glory. Once.
"They killed Morgan Freeman and stole his boots. Those bastards."
"They killed Morgan Freeman and stole his boots. Those bastards."
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 10, 2017 09:42 AM (tVWQB)
56
IIRC "Dixie" was written by a New York Jew! Oh the humanity!
Oh I wish I was in the land of Gal On
The bagels here are just damn rotten
Schlep Away ... Schlep Away ... Schlep Away ... Yiddish Man
Oh I wish I was in the land of Gal On
The bagels here are just damn rotten
Schlep Away ... Schlep Away ... Schlep Away ... Yiddish Man
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 09:42 AM (xIBU4)
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53 21 Worry not ... if the Progs ever take over - we'll have more statues than you can shake a stick at.
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass
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Don't forget the armbands.
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Oh! Do we get the crazy and weird architecture too?
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass
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Don't forget the armbands.
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Oh! Do we get the crazy and weird architecture too?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 09:42 AM (vg8iE)
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IIRC "Dixie" was written by a New York Jew! Oh the humanity!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 10, 2017 09:32 AM (mbhDw)
"Battle Hymn of the Republic" was written by a Southerner.
Son is in the process of moving into a new apartment with.....a New York Jew!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 10, 2017 09:32 AM (mbhDw)
"Battle Hymn of the Republic" was written by a Southerner.
Son is in the process of moving into a new apartment with.....a New York Jew!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 09:42 AM (PY9jH)
59
AS LONG AS WE'RE DOING REVISIONIST STATUES - a limerick
How about we give this one a whirl?
A Confederate flag is unfurled
The General's horse rears
And shedding no tears
Tramples poor brave "Fearless Girl"™
How about we give this one a whirl?
A Confederate flag is unfurled
The General's horse rears
And shedding no tears
Tramples poor brave "Fearless Girl"™
Posted by: Muldoon at May 10, 2017 09:42 AM (wPiJc)
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 09:42 AM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: garrett at May 10, 2017 09:42 AM (FEM4d)
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29
I am curious about New Orleans' reasoning here
It's Mayor Mitch Landrieu auditioning for his next gig. His time at the public trough here is over. It really is as simple as that.
I am curious about New Orleans' reasoning here
It's Mayor Mitch Landrieu auditioning for his next gig. His time at the public trough here is over. It really is as simple as that.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (UBzPO)
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35; that's because he was down with the struggle. should have been on a street corner hustling three card monty. our first female, half black, prezznit. historic, even. what a pussy.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (KP5rU)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (ul9CR)
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GGGgrandaddy Singer was there at Chancellorsville. He was an NCO with the 5th Alabama Infantry Regiment, in Rodes' Division, Jackson's Corps. His company pushed the damnyankees all the way to Fredericksburg...so far that they outran their flanks and managed to get cut off from the rest of the Division. He made it back to his unit in a prisoner exchange a few days after Jackson's death.
Posted by: Country Singer at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (uiwCw)
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The creatures screeching for these statues and place names to be destroyed or changed remind me of nothing less than the Taliban. They do not care about slavery (that's just a convenient lever), history or anything else. They only want to destroy this country in particular and the West in general. Anyone who thinks they are going to stop with Confederate matters is a fool. This is just the first step in an overall reduction of the United States. Any gutless politician who goes along with this destruction has abrogated their oath of office and should be replaced.
Not that I feel strongly about the matter.
There is a statue of Jackson at the Manassas Battlefield Park. I haven't heard of any move to get rid of it. Yet. (First Manassas is where Jackson got his Stonewall nickname.)
Not that I feel strongly about the matter.
There is a statue of Jackson at the Manassas Battlefield Park. I haven't heard of any move to get rid of it. Yet. (First Manassas is where Jackson got his Stonewall nickname.)
Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (V+03K)
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I remember hearing something about statues of famous military leaders with horses...
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
On the other hand, I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
On the other hand, I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (HiDrR)
69
The more I look around at the country today, the more I think that Lincoln should have let the states secede. Why did they have to stay in the union? They signed up as states. Why couldn't withdraw as states? Slavery would have collapsed on its own in short time.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (lwiT4)
Posted by: The Night They Drove The Ewok Down at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (FEM4d)
71
61: no silly, bette midler.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 09:44 AM (KP5rU)
72
The Democrats want to remove all memory of the Civil War because it would remind us all that it was the Democrats who started it and lost it. They can revise history later on to show that it was Republican racists who caused the war to defend slavery.
Posted by: dc at May 10, 2017 09:44 AM (oY/R7)
73
54 - Oh, and the Falkland War display consists of the Margaret Thatcher puppet from "Spitting Image"
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 09:45 AM (7HtZB)
74
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
I've heard the same, so I think you know what you're talking about.
Or we're both delusional.
I've heard the same, so I think you know what you're talking about.
Or we're both delusional.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 10, 2017 09:45 AM (tVWQB)
75
oh, Harf me with a spoon, she's on Fox again.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at May 10, 2017 09:45 AM (b7fwp)
76
Grammie, I too sometimes think it might have been better to let the states secede.
But as an immigrant I would guess I don't really know enough to opine.
But as an immigrant I would guess I don't really know enough to opine.
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 10, 2017 09:45 AM (hMwEB)
77
When the Progs send us to the camps and take over, they'll blast the faces off Mt. Rushmore and add Barry Soetero and ______________.
?
I'm thinking Hillary's mug and Chairman Mao.
?
I'm thinking Hillary's mug and Chairman Mao.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 09:45 AM (PY9jH)
78
69: agree grammie. still want the lps'?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 09:45 AM (KP5rU)
79
>>(First Manassas is where Jackson got his Stonewall nickname.) Posted by: JTB at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (V+03K)
And the statue of him there is absolutely massive. Very impressive.
And the statue of him there is absolutely massive. Very impressive.
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 09:45 AM (Bdeb0)
80
She always looks to me like she's unsure if this fart is going to be dry or wet.
The "Over 50" affliction.
Don't ask.
The "Over 50" affliction.
Don't ask.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 09:45 AM (o+pgY)
81
72 The Democrats want to remove all memory of the Civil War because it would remind us all that it was the Democrats who started it and lost it. They can revise history later on to show that it was Republican racists who caused the war to defend slavery.
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Don't worry - there are plaques out there stating Abraham Lincoln was a Democrat.
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Don't worry - there are plaques out there stating Abraham Lincoln was a Democrat.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 09:46 AM (vg8iE)
82
81 72 The Democrats want to remove all memory of the Civil War because it would remind us all that it was the Democrats who started it and lost it. They can revise history later on to show that it was Republican racists who caused the war to defend slavery.
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Don't worry - there are plaques out there stating Abraham Lincoln was a Democrat.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 09:46 AM (vg8iE)
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"George Wallace was a Republican!"
-MSNBC
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Don't worry - there are plaques out there stating Abraham Lincoln was a Democrat.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 09:46 AM (vg8iE)
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"George Wallace was a Republican!"
-MSNBC
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 09:46 AM (mC1ZI)
83
The first statue they took down was literally a monument to white supremacy. "Monument to White Supremacy" was engraved on it - it should've been gone a long time ago. I've been here almost 30 years and I never even knew it existed. It gave them a nice frame for the narrative.
Removing the Beauregard statue is crazy though given his stance. The Jackson statue is nearly identical to the one across the street from the White House. The Lee statue is iconic too. It's called Lee Circle, etc...
Removing the Beauregard statue is crazy though given his stance. The Jackson statue is nearly identical to the one across the street from the White House. The Lee statue is iconic too. It's called Lee Circle, etc...
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 10, 2017 09:46 AM (UBzPO)
84
Turns out the internet has Yiddish Rhyming Page ... which made that little ditty possible.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 09:46 AM (xIBU4)
85
Is it instructive that Jackson is hat-less? Besides being out of uniform, that bald pate of his would be sunburned in no time.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 10, 2017 09:47 AM (ty7RM)
86
I said Andrew Jackson
Posted by: President Trump at May 10, 2017 09:47 AM (FZYNt)
87
This is so bizarre, I don't know what to say.
https://twitter.com/emmanuelmacron/status/829849353867128832?lang=en
Let France eat cake of climate science
The first wave of climate-change caused migrations:
Macron invites settled scientists of America to resettle in France.
Let what was settled now be resettled. Scores of American settled scientists and other Al Gore-aligned prog-activists may soon join the bureaucratic conga lines, renounce their US citizenship, and pledge their fortunes and their sacred honor to the European Union after the newly elected President of France Emmanuel Macron pleaded with them to leave their Trump-infected motherland in a passionately Tweeted video.
"Please come to France. You are welcome, it's your nation," Macron said in a short video message to US researchers, entrepreneurs and engineers. "I do know your new president has decided to jeopardize your budget, your initiatives as he is extremely skeptical about climate change. I have no doubt about climate change and how committed we have to be regarding this issue."
wtf
This is so bizarre, I don't know what to say.
https://twitter.com/emmanuelmacron/status/829849353867128832?lang=en
Let France eat cake of climate science
The first wave of climate-change caused migrations:
Macron invites settled scientists of America to resettle in France.
Let what was settled now be resettled. Scores of American settled scientists and other Al Gore-aligned prog-activists may soon join the bureaucratic conga lines, renounce their US citizenship, and pledge their fortunes and their sacred honor to the European Union after the newly elected President of France Emmanuel Macron pleaded with them to leave their Trump-infected motherland in a passionately Tweeted video.
"Please come to France. You are welcome, it's your nation," Macron said in a short video message to US researchers, entrepreneurs and engineers. "I do know your new president has decided to jeopardize your budget, your initiatives as he is extremely skeptical about climate change. I have no doubt about climate change and how committed we have to be regarding this issue."
wtf
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 09:47 AM (fceHP)
88
[Holds head in hands] Oh CBD, why did you have to go with the WONA/WOSI? Wasn't "hey, maybe the Liverpool pathway isn't all that bad after all" controversial enough for you?
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at May 10, 2017 09:47 AM (RD7QR)
89
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass
====
Don't forget the armbands.
*******
AND BEST OF ALL - a limerick
Tyrannical folks on the loose
All the trappings of such are in use
The brown-shirted army
Will sure be dressed smarmy
And when they march they will step like a goose!
====
Don't forget the armbands.
*******
AND BEST OF ALL - a limerick
Tyrannical folks on the loose
All the trappings of such are in use
The brown-shirted army
Will sure be dressed smarmy
And when they march they will step like a goose!
Posted by: Muldoon at May 10, 2017 09:47 AM (wPiJc)
90
Worry not ... if the Progs ever take over - we'll have more statues than you can shake a stick at.
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass
====
Don't forget the armbands.
Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad
Not that any of it will be any good more than 30 miles from base.
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass
====
Don't forget the armbands.
Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad
Not that any of it will be any good more than 30 miles from base.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 09:47 AM (9krrF)
91
Liberals are always lecturing us to be more like Europe. Well you can walk around Paris & see statues & streets in honor of the French royalty, figures from their Revolutions, Republics & both Napoleons. No one seems to get their panties in an uproar over that.
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 09:47 AM (7HtZB)
92
If the South had crossbows and an endless supply of immigrants they would have won. But mostly the endless supply of immigrants. Nothing like imported cannon fodder.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 09:48 AM (vV/gB)
93
87 Oh please oh please oh please
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 10, 2017 09:48 AM (hMwEB)
94
"Please come to France. You are welcome, it's your nation," Macron said in a short video message to US researchers, entrepreneurs and engineers. "I do know your new president has decided to jeopardize your budget, your initiatives as he is extremely skeptical about climate change. I have no doubt about climate change and how committed we have to be regarding this issue."
I'm hard pressed to find a downside here. We get rid of junk science mongers, and France has to pay their way in the world.
I'm hard pressed to find a downside here. We get rid of junk science mongers, and France has to pay their way in the world.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 10, 2017 09:49 AM (tVWQB)
95
92 If the South had crossbows and an endless supply of immigrants they would have won. But mostly the endless supply of immigrants. Nothing like imported cannon fodder.
Posted by: Puddin Head
or a couple dozen AK-47's
Posted by: Puddin Head
or a couple dozen AK-47's
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 09:49 AM (FZYNt)
96
(cont'd) in the morning of the Battle of Chickamauga, Bragg had ordered a general advance to begin at 7 am, just after dawn. Beauregard and his units were to be in the forefront of the advance. The time came, and went, and Bragg became furious to see that nothing had happened. He sent a runner up to Beauregards HQ tent to find what was the matter, and he found Beauregard and all of his staff engaged in a fine multi-course breakfast feast, served on the fine silver service that Beauregard carried with him - a very elegant formal meal. Bragg's runner stated that the General demanded to know why the advance had not begun on time, whereupon Beauregard turned to him, held his hat in his hands and said "You mean that the advance has not started? Please tell General Bragg that I am deeply disturbed, DEEPLY disturbed to learn of this turn of events." He then dismissed Bragg's staffer and returned to his breakfast.
When Bragg was told of this, he was heard to curse loudly, seen to throw all of his dispatches on the ground, after which he went into his tent alone and was heard throwing things around for a while.
And that was P.G.T. Beauregard.
When Bragg was told of this, he was heard to curse loudly, seen to throw all of his dispatches on the ground, after which he went into his tent alone and was heard throwing things around for a while.
And that was P.G.T. Beauregard.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2017 09:49 AM (V2Yro)
97
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
I've heard the same, so I think you know what you're talking about.
Or we're both delusional.
Posted by: Witchdoktor
It's a rumor. Hang ten.
I've heard the same, so I think you know what you're talking about.
Or we're both delusional.
Posted by: Witchdoktor
It's a rumor. Hang ten.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 09:49 AM (o+pgY)
98
chavez -
you convinced me, you old cheesehead. I still feel bad. Couldn't you sell them for money? Do you have a vintage record store you could take them to and see if you have any high-demand ones that could bring you some cash? I don't want to cheat you out of anything. But yeah, if you're going to ditch them, I guess you could ditch them my way. You're a doll.
you convinced me, you old cheesehead. I still feel bad. Couldn't you sell them for money? Do you have a vintage record store you could take them to and see if you have any high-demand ones that could bring you some cash? I don't want to cheat you out of anything. But yeah, if you're going to ditch them, I guess you could ditch them my way. You're a doll.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 09:49 AM (lwiT4)
99
>>"Please come to France. You are welcome, it's your nation," Macron said... I have no doubt about climate change and how committed we have to be regarding this issue."
Yeah, ALL the Smart Sciency People are signing up for French Taxation!
Yeah, ALL the Smart Sciency People are signing up for French Taxation!
Posted by: garrett at May 10, 2017 09:49 AM (FEM4d)
100
If there are no monuments to Albert Kesselring, Erich von Manstein, Reinhard Gehlen, or Wilhelm Canaris, why should there be for Hood, Jackson, Johnston or RE Lee? They all were servants of evil. They all were evildoers.
As for the Dems, this monument removal is mere covering up their own dirt, their own prior beliefs. It is unfortunate Union Army victors in
appeasing wrongdoers, did not stand four square right, consistently uphold the right, and praise exclusively the righteous.
As for the Dems, this monument removal is mere covering up their own dirt, their own prior beliefs. It is unfortunate Union Army victors in
appeasing wrongdoers, did not stand four square right, consistently uphold the right, and praise exclusively the righteous.
Posted by: Arthur O'Neill at May 10, 2017 09:49 AM (mLG6Q)
101
She always looks to me like she's unsure if this fart is going to be dry or wet.
The "Over 50" affliction.
Don't ask.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 09:45 AM (o+pgY)
*fistbump*
The "Over 50" affliction.
Don't ask.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 09:45 AM (o+pgY)
*fistbump*
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 09:50 AM (Jcg9Q)
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Thanks, Lord, per my previous comment on the thread below, I had the conversation with my supervisor. He will not send me back to the tiny dysfunctional church. He is sending me to another little church I had already been the "Communion" Queen" with.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2017 09:50 AM (fDdVG)
103
comey fired, my toaster is potentially racist. what next? hillary is a self centered pandering, lying, crook? i can't wrap my head around all this crazy shit going down right now.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 09:50 AM (KP5rU)
104
"Hillary, some guy named Rosenstein is holding on line one."
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 10, 2017 09:50 AM (ty7RM)
105
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
so if the horse is at a canter, the rider was shot by his own men?
so if the horse is at a canter, the rider was shot by his own men?
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 09:50 AM (FZYNt)
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101 She always looks to me like she's unsure if this fart is going to be dry or wet.
Which one is it? Depends.
Which one is it? Depends.
Posted by: Roy at May 10, 2017 09:51 AM (7n4KQ)
107
Dear Penthouse ...
... I had always been curious what "it" would be like with 'Ette, but I never thought it would happen to me ...
... I had always been curious what "it" would be like with 'Ette, but I never thought it would happen to me ...
Posted by: The Margins at May 10, 2017 09:51 AM (xIBU4)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 09:51 AM (o+pgY)
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from The People's Cube
http://bit.ly/2qrkLul
They Loved Him Before They Hated Him Before They Loved Him
follow the links
from The People's Cube
http://bit.ly/2qrkLul
They Loved Him Before They Hated Him Before They Loved Him
follow the links
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 09:51 AM (fceHP)
110
Thank you. It was nice to see General Jackson gracing your page on the anniversary of his passing. Let me correct a previous poster. It was General Lee who inherited slaves from his father in law as part his wife's estate. He freed them in December of 1862 taking great pains to be sure each one of them was listed by name on the paperwork. General Jackson really used one slave, a woman who assisted Mary Ann around the house and cooked. Her two boys also lived in the Jackson House and played in the gardens. Jackson purchased 5-7 slaves during his lifetime at their pleadings. He rented them out or they worked for wages in Lexington. When they had paid him back the purchase price, he freed them. Jackson also instituted a "colored" Sunday school class at the First Presbyterian Church in Lexington and taught close to 200 individuals to read through Scripture when it was against Virginia law to do so. He was castigated for it on several occasions, but who could argue that people didn't need to learn Scripture? The class was in session well after his untimely death. There are at least three black churches in the South with windows dedicated to General Jackson and his work by descendants of those in that Sunday School class.
Posted by: CMouse at May 10, 2017 09:51 AM (NkBgo)
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willowed -
The Phive has become unwatchable to me. Between Perino's bipolar butthurt and the constant Grrl Powr !! sisterhood crap from her and Ms. Ex-Dem Spouse and Juan flailing and babbling about Russians, I would rather watch the Paint Drying Channel.
It's pretty obvious that the grrrls and Juan have been told to keep Watters in check and Gutfeld is not about to ruin his sweet gig by defending him.
Watters is a talented kid, and makes a lot of sense when the harpies shuttup. Which is rare.
The Phive has become unwatchable to me. Between Perino's bipolar butthurt and the constant Grrl Powr !! sisterhood crap from her and Ms. Ex-Dem Spouse and Juan flailing and babbling about Russians, I would rather watch the Paint Drying Channel.
It's pretty obvious that the grrrls and Juan have been told to keep Watters in check and Gutfeld is not about to ruin his sweet gig by defending him.
Watters is a talented kid, and makes a lot of sense when the harpies shuttup. Which is rare.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 09:51 AM (C52a9)
112
Great, Fen!
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 10, 2017 09:51 AM (hMwEB)
113
Democrats Used to Really Love FBI Director James Comey -- SUPERcuts! #382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jH_DBR4pSI
Democrats Used to Really Love FBI Director James Comey -- SUPERcuts! #382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jH_DBR4pSI
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 09:52 AM (fceHP)
114
Thanks, Lord, per my previous comment on the thread
below, I had the conversation with my supervisor. He will not send me
back to the tiny dysfunctional church. He is sending me to another
little church I had already been the "Communion" Queen" with.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2017 09:50 AM (fDdVG)
Good for you!
My pastor happened to mention in a meeting, that on the rare occasions he does an in-home communion, the communicant usually dies shortly thereafter. I asked him to please avoid any further in-home communions so I could regroup after five funerals in less than two months.
below, I had the conversation with my supervisor. He will not send me
back to the tiny dysfunctional church. He is sending me to another
little church I had already been the "Communion" Queen" with.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2017 09:50 AM (fDdVG)
Good for you!
My pastor happened to mention in a meeting, that on the rare occasions he does an in-home communion, the communicant usually dies shortly thereafter. I asked him to please avoid any further in-home communions so I could regroup after five funerals in less than two months.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 09:52 AM (PY9jH)
115
They aren't stopping with the monuments here either. They also want to rename the streets. Jeff Davis Pkwy has thousands of businesses along it. Imagine the costs involved with changing signage, advertising, letterhead, everything....
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 10, 2017 09:52 AM (UBzPO)
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36
Week before last we went again to Galena. We stayed in what was once
Grant's headquarters - the old DeSoto Hotel. We toured the museum where
two things struck me. One - There were nine Union Generals from Galena,
which is quite a small town. What are the odds? Secondly, Mrs. Grant's
shoes were on display. I swear, they are so tiny my seven year old could
probably where them. People seemed awfully little back then.
Posted by: grammie winger
I have noticed that at many museums while looking at clothing displays. Thinking people not well nourished during their Wonder Years back then. Easy to see why someone over 6 ft was a "giant".
Week before last we went again to Galena. We stayed in what was once
Grant's headquarters - the old DeSoto Hotel. We toured the museum where
two things struck me. One - There were nine Union Generals from Galena,
which is quite a small town. What are the odds? Secondly, Mrs. Grant's
shoes were on display. I swear, they are so tiny my seven year old could
probably where them. People seemed awfully little back then.
Posted by: grammie winger
I have noticed that at many museums while looking at clothing displays. Thinking people not well nourished during their Wonder Years back then. Easy to see why someone over 6 ft was a "giant".
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at May 10, 2017 09:52 AM (di1hb)
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98; they are yours. we need to set up where i can send them. i have neither the patience or time to deal with selling them. this way, at least i know somebody will enjoy them.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 09:52 AM (KP5rU)
118
Why go to France? Canada is closer. Same language even.
Posted by: Roy at May 10, 2017 09:52 AM (7n4KQ)
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21 Worry not ... if the Progs ever take over - we'll have more statues than you can shake a stick at.
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 09:34 AM (xIBU4)
I've already made up my mind for how I'm going to die, if they take over. It will be the most gloriously nerdy death in the history of deaths.
I'll wait until they're rolling out the new salute, at whatever conference, and make sure I'm in attendance, and just before they do it...
I'll shout that I've already seen it, jack both fists to the sky, and shout "HAIL HYDRA!"
I don't expect to live long after that, but damned if it won't be one for the history books - when real ones are written again.
And songs. And pledges. And parades out the ass.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 09:34 AM (xIBU4)
I've already made up my mind for how I'm going to die, if they take over. It will be the most gloriously nerdy death in the history of deaths.
I'll wait until they're rolling out the new salute, at whatever conference, and make sure I'm in attendance, and just before they do it...
I'll shout that I've already seen it, jack both fists to the sky, and shout "HAIL HYDRA!"
I don't expect to live long after that, but damned if it won't be one for the history books - when real ones are written again.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 10, 2017 09:53 AM (X52ZZ)
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Fenelon - that's great news! I hope your ministerial experience there will be beneficial both to you as well as the flock.
As far as our own flock, there are a few I wouldn't mind roasting on a spit over an open fire, but that's a story for another day.
Blessings.
As far as our own flock, there are a few I wouldn't mind roasting on a spit over an open fire, but that's a story for another day.
Blessings.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 09:53 AM (lwiT4)
121
"47 Hurrah! Hurrah for the Confederacy! HURRAH! Down with General Grant! Hurrah for General... what's his name? Lee! LEE! Ha ha! God is with us because he hates the Yanks too. HURRAH!"
God's not on our side because he hates idiots, also.
God's not on our side because he hates idiots, also.
Posted by: the man with no name at May 10, 2017 09:53 AM (V2Yro)
122
Great news, Fen!!
Posted by: Lizzy at May 10, 2017 09:54 AM (NOIQH)
123
The Prog Mt. Rushmore would have to include a lot of heads to appease all the special interest groups.
FDR and JFK are a given, the relative un-liberalism of the latter nonwithstanding because Camelot or something.
Obama would have place of honor. Jimmah would probably rate a head off to the side in the back row. Both Clintoons. Bernie.
Michelle Obama would check off a couple of boxes. They'd still need some gays and trannys (well, obvious ones, not closeted Man's Country ones). "Caitlyn" is an evil RethugliKKKan and therefore an unperson and doesn't count.
FDR and JFK are a given, the relative un-liberalism of the latter nonwithstanding because Camelot or something.
Obama would have place of honor. Jimmah would probably rate a head off to the side in the back row. Both Clintoons. Bernie.
Michelle Obama would check off a couple of boxes. They'd still need some gays and trannys (well, obvious ones, not closeted Man's Country ones). "Caitlyn" is an evil RethugliKKKan and therefore an unperson and doesn't count.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 10, 2017 09:54 AM (ul9CR)
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They used to sell slaves on that big block that Jackson and his horse are perched upon.
Posted by: Roy at May 10, 2017 09:54 AM (7n4KQ)
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 09:54 AM (Jcg9Q)
126
chavez - how far away are you from Oconomowac? We will be up there later next month. Otherwise I can give you my email addy and we can make arrangements away from the prying eyes of garrett, the covet.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 09:54 AM (lwiT4)
127
115; spanky obama boulevard has a nice ring to it. classy even.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 09:54 AM (KP5rU)
128
95 92 If the South had crossbows and an endless supply of immigrants they would have won. But mostly the endless supply of immigrants. Nothing like imported cannon fodder.
Posted by: Puddin Head
or a couple dozen AK-47's
Some light mortars would have been nice. Hell, bolt action rifles would have done it.
Posted by: Puddin Head
or a couple dozen AK-47's
Some light mortars would have been nice. Hell, bolt action rifles would have done it.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 09:55 AM (vV/gB)
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Imagine the costs involved with changing signage, advertising, letterhead, everything....
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What the hell do the piece of shit agitators, many of whom have never worked a day in their miserable, pointless lives, care?
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What the hell do the piece of shit agitators, many of whom have never worked a day in their miserable, pointless lives, care?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 09:55 AM (vg8iE)
130
If there are no monuments to Albert Kesselring, Erich von Manstein, Reinhard Gehlen, or Wilhelm Canaris, why should there be for Hood, Jackson, Johnston or RE Lee? They all were servants of evil. They all were evildoers.
As for the Dems
They are going to get rid of all the Robert Byrd shit?
As for the Dems
They are going to get rid of all the Robert Byrd shit?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 09:55 AM (o+pgY)
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68 I remember hearing something about statues of famous military leaders with horses...
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
On the other hand, I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (HiDrR)
That is a very recent custom. That was never the case in Rome, for example. The well-known statue of Marcus Aurelius has a horse with one leg up, but he was never wounded in battle (as far as I know).
Fun Fact: The statue of Marcus Aurelius survives to this day because Christians thought it depicted Constantine the Great.
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
On the other hand, I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (HiDrR)
That is a very recent custom. That was never the case in Rome, for example. The well-known statue of Marcus Aurelius has a horse with one leg up, but he was never wounded in battle (as far as I know).
Fun Fact: The statue of Marcus Aurelius survives to this day because Christians thought it depicted Constantine the Great.
Posted by: Kris at May 10, 2017 09:55 AM (nwqNw)
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If the South had crossbows and an endless supply of immigrants they would have won. But mostly the endless supply of immigrants. Nothing like imported cannon fodder.
Posted by: Puddin Head
or a couple dozen AK-47's
Some light mortars would have been nice. Hell, bolt action rifles would have done it.
One...OK, maybe two...A10s.
Posted by: Puddin Head
or a couple dozen AK-47's
Some light mortars would have been nice. Hell, bolt action rifles would have done it.
One...OK, maybe two...A10s.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 10, 2017 09:55 AM (tVWQB)
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He who controls the past controls the present.
Posted by: @votermom
It's amazing, we've been warned about this shit for decades, and we STILL fall for it.
Posted by: @votermom
It's amazing, we've been warned about this shit for decades, and we STILL fall for it.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 10, 2017 09:55 AM (vRcUp)
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The ironic part about removing the PGT Beauregard statue is that he was in favor of full desegregation and voting rights for blacks. He was chairman of the Unification Movement after the civil war.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 10, 2017 09:31 AM (UBzPO)
Never let facts or history get in the way of the SJWs. That is why as someone called them the American Taliban.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 10, 2017 09:31 AM (UBzPO)
Never let facts or history get in the way of the SJWs. That is why as someone called them the American Taliban.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 09:56 AM (493sH)
135
I see CNN is making up $hit again. They had a story where they claimed that Roger Stone called Trump to advise him to fire Comey.
Stone let them know he hasn't talked to Trump in weeks and their story is fake news.
Stone let them know he hasn't talked to Trump in weeks and their story is fake news.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 10, 2017 09:56 AM (le7jz)
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None of these guys wore pussy hats - H8ERs.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 09:56 AM (vV/gB)
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Being in Philadelphia, I'm privileged to see Revolutionary War re-enactments - I live a few blocks from the Germantown battlefield - but I've never seen a Civil War reenactment. Is there a place to see what reenactments are scheduled for this year?
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 09:56 AM (7HtZB)
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I often wonder how the war would have gone had Jackson not been killed. I think he would've seen the folly of Pickett's charge and perhaps talked Lee out of it.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (kTF2Z)
I'm kind of leaning towards the idea that the Gettysburg was essentially lost once the Confederates failed to take Little Round Top on the 2nd day. Which really puts an emphasis on the tragedy of Pickett's Charge, because it was unnecessary and pretty much doomed to failure from the start.
Kind of like when Grant observed that he regretted his last assault at Cold Harbor because it was futile, and couldn't bring his army any advantage worth the cost.
I often wonder how the war would have gone had Jackson not been killed. I think he would've seen the folly of Pickett's charge and perhaps talked Lee out of it.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (kTF2Z)
I'm kind of leaning towards the idea that the Gettysburg was essentially lost once the Confederates failed to take Little Round Top on the 2nd day. Which really puts an emphasis on the tragedy of Pickett's Charge, because it was unnecessary and pretty much doomed to failure from the start.
Kind of like when Grant observed that he regretted his last assault at Cold Harbor because it was futile, and couldn't bring his army any advantage worth the cost.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 10, 2017 09:57 AM (XWkhW)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2017 09:58 AM (fDdVG)
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Bill Whittle's joke at the end of the Trifecta video of Obama's (monument to himself) "library" model that won was interesting.
Link?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 10, 2017 09:39 AM (NOIQH)
https://www.billwhittle.com/channels/right-angle
first video
First impressions on Barack Obama's "Monument to Me"
Some early designs for the Barack Obama Presidential Library are out, and the guys give their own humorous first impressions about it.
Link?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 10, 2017 09:39 AM (NOIQH)
https://www.billwhittle.com/channels/right-angle
first video
First impressions on Barack Obama's "Monument to Me"
Some early designs for the Barack Obama Presidential Library are out, and the guys give their own humorous first impressions about it.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 09:58 AM (fceHP)
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Morning all
I am so sick of the left and schumer and others
Piss on them. Wait my piss is to good for them
I am so sick of the left and schumer and others
Piss on them. Wait my piss is to good for them
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 09:58 AM (SjImc)
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My pastor happened to mention in a meeting, that on the rare occasions he does an in-home communion, the communicant usually dies shortly thereafter. I asked him to please avoid any further in-home communions so I could regroup after five funerals in less than two months.
And stay the hell out of your house!
And stay the hell out of your house!
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 09:58 AM (o+pgY)
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Some light mortars would have been nice. Hell, bolt action rifles would have done it.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 09:55 AM (vV/gB)
Not firing on Ft. Sumpter and waiting Lincoln out might have done it.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 09:55 AM (vV/gB)
Not firing on Ft. Sumpter and waiting Lincoln out might have done it.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 09:58 AM (xIBU4)
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I guess Fort Beauregard is an Air Force base.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 10, 2017 09:58 AM (VdICR)
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131 68 I remember hearing something about statues of famous military leaders with horses...
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
On the other hand, I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (HiDrR)
That is a very recent custom. That was never the case in Rome, for example. The well-known statue of Marcus Aurelius has a horse with one leg up, but he was never wounded in battle (as far as I know).
Fun Fact: The statue of Marcus Aurelius survives to this day because Christians thought it depicted Constantine the Great.
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The other tell was whether they were facing North or South. Facing North means they won their last battle. Facing South means they lost their last battle.
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
On the other hand, I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (HiDrR)
That is a very recent custom. That was never the case in Rome, for example. The well-known statue of Marcus Aurelius has a horse with one leg up, but he was never wounded in battle (as far as I know).
Fun Fact: The statue of Marcus Aurelius survives to this day because Christians thought it depicted Constantine the Great.
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The other tell was whether they were facing North or South. Facing North means they won their last battle. Facing South means they lost their last battle.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 09:58 AM (vV/gB)
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Did anyone happen to catch Kellyanne and Chris Cuomo this morning?
That little weasel Cuomo couldn't have been ruder or snarkier to Kellyanne if he'd tried. I have to hand it to Kellyanne, she gives back as good as she gets.
I wanted to reach through the TV and smack Chrissy hard enough that his little marble eyes popped out.
That little weasel Cuomo couldn't have been ruder or snarkier to Kellyanne if he'd tried. I have to hand it to Kellyanne, she gives back as good as she gets.
I wanted to reach through the TV and smack Chrissy hard enough that his little marble eyes popped out.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 09:58 AM (PY9jH)
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123 - Harvey Milk would fill in the BLTQ spot on their Mt. Rushmore.
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 09:58 AM (7HtZB)
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An analysis of Petersburg, Virginia, suggests only about 10 percent of black slaveholders owned slaves commercially, which was probably typical.
Oh hai.
"Teh racism"
Oh hai.
"Teh racism"
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 09:58 AM (C52a9)
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 09:59 AM (Jcg9Q)
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"I have always desired to die on Sunday. " - Stonewall Jackson
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 10, 2017 09:59 AM (QQ+il)
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Never is when bluebellies start waxing about the War of Yankee Aggression.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 09:33 AM (o+pgY)
Well we have to hear about the War of Southern Stupidity and their constant revisions to same to try and justify the butt kicking they received.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 09:33 AM (o+pgY)
Well we have to hear about the War of Southern Stupidity and their constant revisions to same to try and justify the butt kicking they received.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 10, 2017 09:59 AM (J70i0)
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One...OK, maybe two...A10s.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks
1 Apache or Abrams would have won the war
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks
1 Apache or Abrams would have won the war
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 09:59 AM (FZYNt)
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but I've never seen a Civil War reenactment.
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My cousins used to do reenactments....cannons, camp for three days, the whole shebang....it was pretty cool.
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My cousins used to do reenactments....cannons, camp for three days, the whole shebang....it was pretty cool.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 10:00 AM (vg8iE)
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So when do we start removing MLK statues and other civil rights memorials and start renaming schools and streets? Slavery and segregation are long gone. No need to memorialize the past.
Yeah, not the same because lots of people like that history. Too bad. Lots of other American history I like is being wiped out. My elementary age kids know little or nothing beyond the basics the PC schools allows them to learn and I am always working to get them to read real history, not an easy task. For example, They know nothing of the great inventions and inventors of the 18th and 19th century because they were white males. They couldn't tell you who Thomas Edison, Alexander Bell, Henry Ford and a slew of others are. On the other hand they do know all about George Washington Carver and peanut oil.
Progs will wipe out/revise every bit of American history they find distasteful and they are well on their way.
Yeah, not the same because lots of people like that history. Too bad. Lots of other American history I like is being wiped out. My elementary age kids know little or nothing beyond the basics the PC schools allows them to learn and I am always working to get them to read real history, not an easy task. For example, They know nothing of the great inventions and inventors of the 18th and 19th century because they were white males. They couldn't tell you who Thomas Edison, Alexander Bell, Henry Ford and a slew of others are. On the other hand they do know all about George Washington Carver and peanut oil.
Progs will wipe out/revise every bit of American history they find distasteful and they are well on their way.
Posted by: Millenials at May 10, 2017 10:00 AM (1BQGO)
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The movie "Gods and Generals" is worth watching when you have the time if you're interested at all in Jackson.
Posted by: Country Singer at May 10, 2017 10:00 AM (uiwCw)
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126; grammie i am 98 miles from there. maybe we can set something up?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 10:00 AM (KP5rU)
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Being in Philadelphia, I'm privileged to see Revolutionary War re-enactments - I live a few blocks from the Germantown battlefield - but I've never seen a Civil War reenactment. Is there a place to see what reenactments are scheduled for this year?
Cool. My grandparents lived in Lexington, MA. I remember as a kid, sitting on my dad's shoulders, watching the reenactment on the Common. I hated getting up before 530, but once we were there and you could hear the drums in the distance getting closer, it was neat.
Cool. My grandparents lived in Lexington, MA. I remember as a kid, sitting on my dad's shoulders, watching the reenactment on the Common. I hated getting up before 530, but once we were there and you could hear the drums in the distance getting closer, it was neat.
Posted by: Mainah at May 10, 2017 10:00 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 10:00 AM (o+pgY)
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Communion Queen
Now we're sharing the same dream
and our hearts they beat as one
No more love on the run!
Now we're sharing the same dream
and our hearts they beat as one
No more love on the run!
Posted by: Billy Ocean at May 10, 2017 10:02 AM (vg8iE)
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"If there are no monuments to Albert Kesselring, Erich von Manstein, Reinhard Gehlen, or Wilhelm Canaris, why should there be for Hood, Jackson, Johnston or RE Lee? They all were servants of evil. They all were evildoers."
No - they were Americans who believed in Washington, Jefferson, and the Constitution as it was at that time. Their political beliefs conflicted with the beliefs of those who favored increasing Federal Power. An armed struggle ensued, and they lost, and those who believed in ever increasing federal power won. That's history.
But they were still Americans. As far as good and evil - we lionize US Grant, among others, and even he admitted that at Cold Harbor in 1864 he gave orders that led to 30,000 casualties among his own men, in one afternoon, and he did it for no good reason, because he was having a bad day. (possibly a bad hangover) So don't speak of "good" or "evil" when talking about the things that happened during that war.
No - they were Americans who believed in Washington, Jefferson, and the Constitution as it was at that time. Their political beliefs conflicted with the beliefs of those who favored increasing Federal Power. An armed struggle ensued, and they lost, and those who believed in ever increasing federal power won. That's history.
But they were still Americans. As far as good and evil - we lionize US Grant, among others, and even he admitted that at Cold Harbor in 1864 he gave orders that led to 30,000 casualties among his own men, in one afternoon, and he did it for no good reason, because he was having a bad day. (possibly a bad hangover) So don't speak of "good" or "evil" when talking about the things that happened during that war.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2017 10:02 AM (V2Yro)
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We do, however, need to acknowledge a less common form of black slaveholding. Whites in Louisiana and South Carolina fostered a class of rich people of mixed race - typically they were known as "mulattoes," although gradations such as "quadroon" and "octoroon" were sometimes used - as a buffer between themselves and slaves. Often the descendants and heirs of well-off whites, these citizens were encouraged to own slaves, tended to side with whites in racial disputes, and generally identified more with their white forebears than black. Nationwide maybe 10 percent of the mixed-race population (about 1 percent of all those identified as African-American) fell into this category.
Some of these people owned lots of slaves. How common was this? Let's define "lots" as ten or more in a household, bearing in mind that sometimes those with many slaves were still benevolent owners. (One man benevolently owned 18 relatives on the eve of emancipation.) In 1830, 80 percent of blacks who owned ten or more slaves lived in Louisiana or South Carolina.
Teh racisms. Teh racisms.
Some of these people owned lots of slaves. How common was this? Let's define "lots" as ten or more in a household, bearing in mind that sometimes those with many slaves were still benevolent owners. (One man benevolently owned 18 relatives on the eve of emancipation.) In 1830, 80 percent of blacks who owned ten or more slaves lived in Louisiana or South Carolina.
Teh racisms. Teh racisms.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:02 AM (C52a9)
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Well we have to hear about the War of Southern Stupidity and their constant revisions to same to try and justify the butt kicking they received.
That's just what the coastal elites say about flyover land.
Well we have to hear about the War of Southern Stupidity and their constant revisions to same to try and justify the butt kicking they received.
That's just what the coastal elites say about flyover land.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 10:02 AM (IqV8l)
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Well we have to hear about the War of Southern Stupidity and their constant revisions to same to try and justify the butt kicking they received.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 10, 2017 09:59 AM (J70i0)
How about a rematch, old sport ?
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 10, 2017 09:59 AM (J70i0)
How about a rematch, old sport ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 10:02 AM (xIBU4)
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143 Some light mortars would have been nice. Hell, bolt action rifles would have done it.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 09:55 AM (vV/gB)
Not firing on Ft. Sumpter and waiting Lincoln out might have done it.
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Not really. Lincoln was advertising his reinforcement and resupply of Sumter daily in the NYTs. Lincoln was a nice guy who was way over his head once elected. After Sumter, the Confederacy doubled in size and Lincoln was forced to seize Maryland to prevent being run out of DC. The guns at Fort McHenry were turned on the city of Baltimore and the citizens told if they secede the city would be razed. There were more Marylanders serving the Confederacy than the Union.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 09:55 AM (vV/gB)
Not firing on Ft. Sumpter and waiting Lincoln out might have done it.
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Not really. Lincoln was advertising his reinforcement and resupply of Sumter daily in the NYTs. Lincoln was a nice guy who was way over his head once elected. After Sumter, the Confederacy doubled in size and Lincoln was forced to seize Maryland to prevent being run out of DC. The guns at Fort McHenry were turned on the city of Baltimore and the citizens told if they secede the city would be razed. There were more Marylanders serving the Confederacy than the Union.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 10:03 AM (vV/gB)
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For example, They know nothing of the great inventions and inventors of the 18th and 19th century because they were white males. They couldn't tell you who Thomas Edison, Alexander Bell, Henry Ford and a slew of others are.
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That is......appalling.
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That is......appalling.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 10:03 AM (vg8iE)
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128 95 92 If the South had crossbows and an endless supply of immigrants they would have won. But mostly the endless supply of immigrants. Nothing like imported cannon fodder.
Posted by: Puddin Head
or a couple dozen AK-47's
Some light mortars would have been nice. Hell, bolt action rifles would have done it.
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Harry Turtledove wrote Guns of the South, which concerned time-travelers going back and giving AK-47's to Lee.
Posted by: Puddin Head
or a couple dozen AK-47's
Some light mortars would have been nice. Hell, bolt action rifles would have done it.
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Harry Turtledove wrote Guns of the South, which concerned time-travelers going back and giving AK-47's to Lee.
Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at May 10, 2017 10:03 AM (oPl0w)
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They Loved Him Before They Hated Him Before They Loved Him
follow the links
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 09:51 AM (fceHP)
Just because in October the Dems wanted Comey's scalp doesn't change the fact that Trump firing him now means Trump is Hitler. The Colbert crowd first cheering the firing then booing it shows brilliantly how lemming like the left is
follow the links
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 09:51 AM (fceHP)
Just because in October the Dems wanted Comey's scalp doesn't change the fact that Trump firing him now means Trump is Hitler. The Colbert crowd first cheering the firing then booing it shows brilliantly how lemming like the left is
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 10:03 AM (493sH)
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grammie i am 98 miles from there. maybe we can set something up?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 10:00 AM (KP5rU)
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That might work. Son is getting married up that way on the last Friday of next month. We might go up Wednesday to set things up for the rehearsal dinner. So maybe Wednesday might be an option. That would be the 28th of June. Can I let you know as the time gets closer, when plans are nailed down?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 10:00 AM (KP5rU)
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That might work. Son is getting married up that way on the last Friday of next month. We might go up Wednesday to set things up for the rehearsal dinner. So maybe Wednesday might be an option. That would be the 28th of June. Can I let you know as the time gets closer, when plans are nailed down?
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 10:03 AM (lwiT4)
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The other tell was whether they were facing North or South. Facing North means they won their last battle. Facing South means they lost their last battle.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 09:58 AM (vV/gB)
I didn't know that. Thanks.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 09:58 AM (vV/gB)
I didn't know that. Thanks.
Posted by: Kris at May 10, 2017 10:03 AM (nwqNw)
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He who controls the past controls the present.
Posted by: @votermom
One might say also that whom destroys the past destroys their future.
Posted by: @votermom
One might say also that whom destroys the past destroys their future.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:04 AM (9krrF)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:04 AM (fceHP)
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68 I remember hearing something about statues of famous military leaders with horses...
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
On the other hand, I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (HiDrR)
That would explain why the statue of Catherine the Great is the way it is.
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
On the other hand, I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (HiDrR)
That would explain why the statue of Catherine the Great is the way it is.
Posted by: Roy at May 10, 2017 10:04 AM (7n4KQ)
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Did Edison have hidden figures?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 10:04 AM (IqV8l)
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1 Apache or Abrams would have won the war
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 09:59 AM (FZYNt)
Until it ran out of fuel, ammunition or spare parts.
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 09:59 AM (FZYNt)
Until it ran out of fuel, ammunition or spare parts.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at May 10, 2017 10:04 AM (edBdg)
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We need to start renaming buildings and streets to Horde-like memes.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:04 AM (fceHP)
Longbow Promenade.
We need to start renaming buildings and streets to Horde-like memes.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:04 AM (fceHP)
Longbow Promenade.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 10, 2017 10:04 AM (72PAC)
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I'm kind of leaning towards the idea that the Gettysburg was essentially lost once the Confederates failed to take Little Round Top on the 2nd day. Which really puts an emphasis on the tragedy of Pickett's Charge, because it was unnecessary and pretty much doomed to failure from the start.
Yep. Clearly Lee should have flanked Meade out of his prepared positions with a move toward Washington. But "his blood was up" with the enemy before him.
Yep. Clearly Lee should have flanked Meade out of his prepared positions with a move toward Washington. But "his blood was up" with the enemy before him.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 10, 2017 10:05 AM (QQ+il)
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I think it was Ann Coulter who remarked that modern education apparently teaches kids that the West was Won by 12 year old black girls in covered wagons.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:05 AM (C52a9)
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That would explain why the statue of Catherine the Great is the way it is.
That's the one where she's under the horse, right?
That's the one where she's under the horse, right?
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 10, 2017 10:05 AM (tVWQB)
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The class was in session well after his untimely death. There are at least three black churches in the South with windows dedicated to General Jackson and his work by descendants of those in that Sunday School class.
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History facts, something that SJW/progs can't handle.
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History facts, something that SJW/progs can't handle.
Posted by: auscolpyr at May 10, 2017 10:06 AM (suO/a)
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The Brits disgraced their Imperial War Museum in London. 40,000,000 pounds to refurbish it & about 60% of the artifacts previously on display are now in storage. Things like Montgomery's tank & T.E. Lawrence's robes. Most of the displays are interactive touchscreens & modern art. What real historical artifacts there are are jumbled together with no narrative flow & no descriptive labels. The central object on display is a Press Land Rover damaged by an IED somewhere. Barely any notice is given to Britain after WWII, and nothing before WWI.
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 09:41 AM (7HtZB)
That's the recent big push with museums for all of the fancy stuff. I don't care for just rows of equipment but the other way goes to the other extreme with stuff I could just do from home. There needs to be a nice balance of actual artifacts and putting together a narrative.
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 09:41 AM (7HtZB)
That's the recent big push with museums for all of the fancy stuff. I don't care for just rows of equipment but the other way goes to the other extreme with stuff I could just do from home. There needs to be a nice balance of actual artifacts and putting together a narrative.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 10, 2017 10:06 AM (J70i0)
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177 I think it was Ann Coulter who remarked that modern education apparently teaches kids that the West was Won by 12 year old black girls in covered wagons.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her!
But at least all the Native Americans got participation trophies.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her!
But at least all the Native Americans got participation trophies.
Posted by: Roy at May 10, 2017 10:06 AM (7n4KQ)
Posted by: Shep! at May 10, 2017 10:06 AM (vg8iE)
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IIRC "Dixie" was written by a New York Jew! Oh the humanity!
I think that it was written by an Irishman, Daniel Emmett.
I think that it was written by an Irishman, Daniel Emmett.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 10:06 AM (326rv)
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157 Being in Philadelphia, I'm privileged to see Revolutionary War re-enactments - I live a few blocks from the Germantown battlefield - but I've never seen a Civil War reenactment. Is there a place to see what reenactments are scheduled for this year?
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I was at Gettysburg with my son's Boy Scout troop and ran into some re-enactors. All were from the Northeast and all preferred re-enacting as Confederates. Evidently no one is that excited about being a Yankee. I attribute this to Confederate Flair.
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I was at Gettysburg with my son's Boy Scout troop and ran into some re-enactors. All were from the Northeast and all preferred re-enacting as Confederates. Evidently no one is that excited about being a Yankee. I attribute this to Confederate Flair.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 10:06 AM (vV/gB)
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I think it was Ann Coulter who remarked that modern education apparently teaches kids that the West was Won by 12 year old black girls in covered wagons.
They are the ones who exterminated the Native Americans?
I think it was Ann Coulter who remarked that modern education apparently teaches kids that the West was Won by 12 year old black girls in covered wagons.
They are the ones who exterminated the Native Americans?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 10:06 AM (IqV8l)
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I was at Gettysburg with my son's Boy Scout troop and ran into some re-enactors. All were from the Northeast and all preferred re-enacting as Confederates. Evidently no one is that excited about being a Yankee. I attribute this to Confederate Flair.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 10:06 AM (vV/gB)
I like the Zouave uniforms, worn by both sides.
I was at Gettysburg with my son's Boy Scout troop and ran into some re-enactors. All were from the Northeast and all preferred re-enacting as Confederates. Evidently no one is that excited about being a Yankee. I attribute this to Confederate Flair.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 10:06 AM (vV/gB)
I like the Zouave uniforms, worn by both sides.
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 10:07 AM (7HtZB)
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Harvard Law School professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz told CNNs Don Lemon on Tuesday night that President Donald Trump was well within his rights to fire former FBI director James Comey, and that there was no need for a special prosecutor in the investigation into possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 10:07 AM (SjImc)
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"and the citizens told if they secede the city would be razed. There were more Marylanders serving the Confederacy than the Union."
And to this day, politically, Baltimore continues to align themselves with policies which harm the citizenry
And to this day, politically, Baltimore continues to align themselves with policies which harm the citizenry
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 10:07 AM (i/+aM)
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Visited the Virginia State House in years gone by, and the tour guide said this is the very chamber where General Robert E Lee accepted the command of the Army of Northern Virginia!
But no, we don't be needing no history!
But no, we don't be needing no history!
Posted by: Hrothgar at May 10, 2017 10:08 AM (gwPgz)
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History facts, something that SJW/progs can't handle.
Posted by: auscolpyr
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But they so enjoy their " CivilWarz Wuz Yankees Opposed Racismz , F'Realz " meme.
It's like a "Hate Doesn't Live Here" sign in front of their house.
History facts, something that SJW/progs can't handle.
Posted by: auscolpyr
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But they so enjoy their " CivilWarz Wuz Yankees Opposed Racismz , F'Realz " meme.
It's like a "Hate Doesn't Live Here" sign in front of their house.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:08 AM (C52a9)
191
We need to start renaming buildings and streets to Horde-like memes.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:04 AM (fceHP)
Whatever street TFG's "library" is on: Mincing Ponce Promenade
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:04 AM (fceHP)
Whatever street TFG's "library" is on: Mincing Ponce Promenade
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 10:08 AM (PY9jH)
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Yep. Clearly Lee should have flanked Meade out of his prepared positions with a move toward Washington. But "his blood was up" with the enemy before him.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 10, 2017 10:05 AM (QQ+il)
He should have done that after winning day 1. The Union was in a better defensive position. Had he maneuvered, he probably could have found a better spot for a battle.
Honestly though, as long as the Army of the Potomac was viable and kept Lee tied down, the South was going to lose because it was getting crushed everywhere else.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 10, 2017 10:05 AM (QQ+il)
He should have done that after winning day 1. The Union was in a better defensive position. Had he maneuvered, he probably could have found a better spot for a battle.
Honestly though, as long as the Army of the Potomac was viable and kept Lee tied down, the South was going to lose because it was getting crushed everywhere else.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 10, 2017 10:09 AM (J70i0)
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Trump tore into Blumenthal earlier today
Watching Senator Richard Blumenthal speak of Comey is a joke. "Richie" devised one of the greatest military frauds in U.S. history. For....
years, as a pol in Connecticut, Blumenthal would talk of his great bravery and conquests in Vietnam - except he was never there. When....
caught, he cried like a baby and begged for forgiveness...and now he is judge & jury. He should be the one who is investigated for his acts.
oh my
concatenated tweets
Trump tore into Blumenthal earlier today
Watching Senator Richard Blumenthal speak of Comey is a joke. "Richie" devised one of the greatest military frauds in U.S. history. For....
years, as a pol in Connecticut, Blumenthal would talk of his great bravery and conquests in Vietnam - except he was never there. When....
caught, he cried like a baby and begged for forgiveness...and now he is judge & jury. He should be the one who is investigated for his acts.
oh my
concatenated tweets
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:09 AM (fceHP)
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In many ways the Civil War was one of the dress rehearsals for the war that would engulf Europe fifty years later. Some nations paid attention. Too many didn't.
Honestly, one can draw a line from 1848's unrest in Europe through our conflict back to the World Wars and understand that it was sort of a second Hundred Year's War, a sort of Western Civil War that we've yet to recover from.
Honestly, one can draw a line from 1848's unrest in Europe through our conflict back to the World Wars and understand that it was sort of a second Hundred Year's War, a sort of Western Civil War that we've yet to recover from.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:09 AM (9krrF)
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174 1 Apache or Abrams would have won the war
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 09:59 AM (FZYNt)
Until it ran out of fuel, ammunition or spare parts.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth
or the Rebs kept flying them into trees
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 09:59 AM (FZYNt)
Until it ran out of fuel, ammunition or spare parts.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth
or the Rebs kept flying them into trees
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 10:09 AM (FZYNt)
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183 IIRC "Dixie" was written by a New York Jew! Oh the humanity!
I think that it was written by an Irishman, Daniel Emmett.
Posted by: Blue Hen
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Daniel Decatur Emmett - b Oct 29, 1815 Mt. Vernon, OH
I think that it was written by an Irishman, Daniel Emmett.
Posted by: Blue Hen
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Daniel Decatur Emmett - b Oct 29, 1815 Mt. Vernon, OH
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 10:10 AM (o+pgY)
197
We need to start renaming buildings and streets to Horde-like memes.
I like the idea of Ace Towers.
Only trouble is, Ace banned himself from entering.
I like the idea of Ace Towers.
Only trouble is, Ace banned himself from entering.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 10, 2017 10:10 AM (PFy0L)
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Harvard Law School professor emeritus Alan
Dershowitz told CNNs Don Lemon on Tuesday night that President Donald
Trump was well within his rights to fire former FBI director James
Comey, and that there was no need for a special prosecutor in the
investigation into possible collusion between Russia and the Trump
campaign.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 10:07 AM (SjImc)
Did Lemon's hair slide right off his head?
Dershowitz told CNNs Don Lemon on Tuesday night that President Donald
Trump was well within his rights to fire former FBI director James
Comey, and that there was no need for a special prosecutor in the
investigation into possible collusion between Russia and the Trump
campaign.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 10:07 AM (SjImc)
Did Lemon's hair slide right off his head?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 10:10 AM (PY9jH)
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It's like a "Hate Doesn't Live Here" sign in front of their house.
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Technically, they are correct. The miasma of their greed, jealousy, and lust for power over others is neither living nor dead...it just is.
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Technically, they are correct. The miasma of their greed, jealousy, and lust for power over others is neither living nor dead...it just is.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 10:11 AM (vg8iE)
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Trump tore into Blumenthal earlier today
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yee owch!
Next up - McCain and Keating Five?
oh please oh please oh please
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yee owch!
Next up - McCain and Keating Five?
oh please oh please oh please
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:11 AM (C52a9)
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197 We need to start renaming buildings and streets to Horde-like memes.
I like the idea of Ace Towers.
Only trouble is, Ace banned himself from entering.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 10, 2017 10:10 AM (PFy0L)
Keep a trebuchet outside.
I like the idea of Ace Towers.
Only trouble is, Ace banned himself from entering.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 10, 2017 10:10 AM (PFy0L)
Keep a trebuchet outside.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 10, 2017 10:11 AM (72PAC)
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 10, 2017 10:11 AM (hMwEB)
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"1 Apache or Abrams would have won the war
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 09:59 AM (FZYNt)
Until it ran out of fuel, ammunition or spare parts."
Image something as simple as 1,000 Mosin Nagants, with sufficient ammo for each.
Designed to be used by Russian peasants with minimal mechanical knowledge.
So, spare parts and maintenance in the 1860's wouldn't have too much off an impact.
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 09:59 AM (FZYNt)
Until it ran out of fuel, ammunition or spare parts."
Image something as simple as 1,000 Mosin Nagants, with sufficient ammo for each.
Designed to be used by Russian peasants with minimal mechanical knowledge.
So, spare parts and maintenance in the 1860's wouldn't have too much off an impact.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 10:11 AM (i/+aM)
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Not firing on Ft. Sumpter and waiting Lincoln out might have done it.
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Not really. Lincoln was advertising his reinforcement and resupply of Sumter daily in the NYTs. Lincoln was a nice guy who was way over his head once elected. After Sumter, the Confederacy doubled in size and Lincoln was forced to seize Maryland to prevent being run out of DC. The guns at Fort McHenry were turned on the city of Baltimore and the citizens told if they secede the city would be razed. There were more Marylanders serving the Confederacy than the Union.
Posted by: Puddin Head
N, he was smarter than both the South and his Cabinet.
After the South opened fire, and only then, did he declare them to be in rebellion. He ignored multiple acts of war, including stealing Federal assets and causing US troops to be put in harms way and taken prisoner by Confederate sympathizers still in the employ of the US.
The significance was huge, both domestically and internationally.
Maryland was a shitshow, given the location of the US capitol. The timing didn't matter.
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Not really. Lincoln was advertising his reinforcement and resupply of Sumter daily in the NYTs. Lincoln was a nice guy who was way over his head once elected. After Sumter, the Confederacy doubled in size and Lincoln was forced to seize Maryland to prevent being run out of DC. The guns at Fort McHenry were turned on the city of Baltimore and the citizens told if they secede the city would be razed. There were more Marylanders serving the Confederacy than the Union.
Posted by: Puddin Head
N, he was smarter than both the South and his Cabinet.
After the South opened fire, and only then, did he declare them to be in rebellion. He ignored multiple acts of war, including stealing Federal assets and causing US troops to be put in harms way and taken prisoner by Confederate sympathizers still in the employ of the US.
The significance was huge, both domestically and internationally.
Maryland was a shitshow, given the location of the US capitol. The timing didn't matter.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 10:12 AM (326rv)
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Why did they have to stay in the union? They signed up as states. Why couldn't withdraw as states?
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Withdrawal from a state is achieved by force of arms or acquiescence. States with the power to resort to arms rarely acquiesce. That may have changed somewhat since 1980 or so but that was over a century late for the South. There is nothing in US law providing for withdrawal.
The Articles of Confederation mention Perpetual Union at least three times. Nothing later, such as the new Constitution, ever reversed that.
The Northwest Ordinance of 1787, referred to by subsequent territorial incorporations with provisions occasionally made for slavery, specified "The said territory, and the states which may be formed therein, shall forever remain a part of this Confederacy of the United States of America..."
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Withdrawal from a state is achieved by force of arms or acquiescence. States with the power to resort to arms rarely acquiesce. That may have changed somewhat since 1980 or so but that was over a century late for the South. There is nothing in US law providing for withdrawal.
The Articles of Confederation mention Perpetual Union at least three times. Nothing later, such as the new Constitution, ever reversed that.
The Northwest Ordinance of 1787, referred to by subsequent territorial incorporations with provisions occasionally made for slavery, specified "The said territory, and the states which may be formed therein, shall forever remain a part of this Confederacy of the United States of America..."
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 10:12 AM (SsblQ)
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Not really. Lincoln was advertising his reinforcement and resupply of Sumter daily in the NYTs.
Lincoln's innaugural address ...
"... The government will not assail you. You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors ..."
Lincoln's innaugural address ...
"... The government will not assail you. You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors ..."
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 10:12 AM (xIBU4)
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The Civil War Museum in Harrisburg, PA is excellent. They have the right balance between artifacts and interactive displays, and treat fairly both the North & the South. I'd recommend seeing it soon, as there is talk of closing it down.
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 10:13 AM (7HtZB)
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168; maybe do an email thingy grammie. i will be out of the state then. wife and i are going to charleston/savannah for a week. you reimburse me for shipping, all yours.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 10:13 AM (KP5rU)
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not safe for soft stomachs
this is vulgar
The New Skittles Umbilical Cord Ad Makes Me Want To Barf, Not Buy Skittles
http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/10/new-skittles-umbilical-cord-ad-makes-want-barf-not-buy-skittles/
not safe for soft stomachs
this is vulgar
The New Skittles Umbilical Cord Ad Makes Me Want To Barf, Not Buy Skittles
http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/10/new-skittles-umbilical-cord-ad-makes-want-barf-not-buy-skittles/
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:13 AM (fceHP)
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Withdrawal from a state is achieved by force of arms or acquiescence. States with the power to resort to arms rarely acquiesce. That may have changed somewhat since 1980 or so but that was over a century late for the South. There is nothing in US law providing for withdrawal.
The Articles of Confederation mention Perpetual Union at least three times. Nothing later, such as the new Constitution, ever reversed that.
Correct. Right or wrong, the Constitution is a suicide pact.
Yeah. Fuck them that think that right in their squeaker.
The Articles of Confederation mention Perpetual Union at least three times. Nothing later, such as the new Constitution, ever reversed that.
Correct. Right or wrong, the Constitution is a suicide pact.
Yeah. Fuck them that think that right in their squeaker.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 10:14 AM (o+pgY)
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"126 chavez - how far away are you from Oconomowac?"
Now there's a name I haven't heard in while! I live in Texas now, but my grandfather lived in central Wisconsin, and one college summer long ago he found me a job and I stayed with him for an entire glorious Wisconsin summer, running a harvester for the Oconomowoc Canning Company.
I looked them up and see that they are long gone now, which is a shame.
Now there's a name I haven't heard in while! I live in Texas now, but my grandfather lived in central Wisconsin, and one college summer long ago he found me a job and I stayed with him for an entire glorious Wisconsin summer, running a harvester for the Oconomowoc Canning Company.
I looked them up and see that they are long gone now, which is a shame.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2017 10:14 AM (V2Yro)
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200 Trump tore into Blumenthal earlier today
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yee owch!
Next up - McCain and Keating Five?
oh please oh please oh please
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:11 AM (C52a9)
Unfortunately, the statute of limitations has probably expired on the Keating mess. Because in addition to Maverick McMaverick I'd love to see the sainted John Glenn dragged through the mud, just because I'm a vindictive prick.
200 Trump tore into Blumenthal earlier today
===
yee owch!
Next up - McCain and Keating Five?
oh please oh please oh please
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:11 AM (C52a9)
Unfortunately, the statute of limitations has probably expired on the Keating mess. Because in addition to Maverick McMaverick I'd love to see the sainted John Glenn dragged through the mud, just because I'm a vindictive prick.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 10, 2017 10:15 AM (XWkhW)
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Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 10:06 AM (vV/gB)
My BIL is a Yankee. He is a Civil War Re-enactorr on the Southern side because al number of the Southern did not wear a fancy uniform and buying a uniform would have been too expensive. He knows a lot of about the Civil war and even though his ancestor was imprisoned in Andersonville, he has appreciation for the Southern side. (and no......I'm don't want to do a War Between The States/Civil War/War of Northern Aggression slugfest. ;^)
My BIL is a Yankee. He is a Civil War Re-enactorr on the Southern side because al number of the Southern did not wear a fancy uniform and buying a uniform would have been too expensive. He knows a lot of about the Civil war and even though his ancestor was imprisoned in Andersonville, he has appreciation for the Southern side. (and no......I'm don't want to do a War Between The States/Civil War/War of Northern Aggression slugfest. ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 10, 2017 10:15 AM (fDdVG)
214
We need to start renaming buildings and streets to Horde-like memes.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
...so anyway, once you're at Val-U-Rite Plaza you follow Ravage Road down past the bridge over Boating Accident Canal--tricky spot, that--and take a left onto Haiku Boulevard. No, not SCOAMF Street, it looks like a straight shot but it veers left and puts you in the Barrel, that's a bad neighborhood at any hour. Anyway...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
...so anyway, once you're at Val-U-Rite Plaza you follow Ravage Road down past the bridge over Boating Accident Canal--tricky spot, that--and take a left onto Haiku Boulevard. No, not SCOAMF Street, it looks like a straight shot but it veers left and puts you in the Barrel, that's a bad neighborhood at any hour. Anyway...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:15 AM (9krrF)
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Lincoln proved that if your wife wished to divorce you, you are entitled to beat her to death to save the union. Nice marriage, eh?
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 10:15 AM (vV/gB)
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There is nothing in US law providing for withdrawal.
The Articles of Confederation mention Perpetual Union at least three times.
A marriage where divorce is illegal and punishable with death.
There is nothing in US law providing for withdrawal.
The Articles of Confederation mention Perpetual Union at least three times.
A marriage where divorce is illegal and punishable with death.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 10:15 AM (IqV8l)
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They couldn't tell you who Thomas Edison, Alexander Bell, Henry Ford and
a slew of others are. On the other hand they do know all about George
Washington Carver and peanut oil.
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GW Carver was my idol as a kid (early 60s). For some reason, all those uses for an essentially trash crop fired my imagination. Of course, at 5yo, I had no idea what black or white was. All I cared about was the focus and how did he do that.
a slew of others are. On the other hand they do know all about George
Washington Carver and peanut oil.
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GW Carver was my idol as a kid (early 60s). For some reason, all those uses for an essentially trash crop fired my imagination. Of course, at 5yo, I had no idea what black or white was. All I cared about was the focus and how did he do that.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 10, 2017 10:16 AM (MIKMs)
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I was at Gettysburg with my son's Boy Scout troop and ran into some re-enactors. All were from the Northeast and all preferred re-enacting as Confederates. Evidently no one is that excited about being a Yankee. I attribute this to Confederate Flair.
Posted by: Puddin Head
I used to do that. I was 69th Penn V I, an Irish regiment out of Philadelphia. We used to beat on the Georgia regiment renowned for shooting Stonewall as he returned to his lines. They loved us.
Posted by: Puddin Head
I used to do that. I was 69th Penn V I, an Irish regiment out of Philadelphia. We used to beat on the Georgia regiment renowned for shooting Stonewall as he returned to his lines. They loved us.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 10:16 AM (326rv)
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I have pondered the counter-factual of Southern Plantation owners exchanging chattel slavery for the Scottish Tenant/Laird system in the 1850s. Having serfs rather than slaves might have spared the nation a ton of grief.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 10, 2017 10:16 AM (QQ+il)
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not safe for soft stomachs
this is vulgar
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I struggle to find much in modern media that isn't vulgar.
this is vulgar
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I struggle to find much in modern media that isn't vulgar.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 10:16 AM (vg8iE)
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Lincoln proved that if your wife wished to divorce you, you are entitled to beat her to death to save the union. Nice marriage, eh?
Posted by: Puddin Head
"You said it beyotch"
Things Lincoln never said Vol 666
Posted by: Puddin Head
"You said it beyotch"
Things Lincoln never said Vol 666
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 10:17 AM (326rv)
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I think it was Ann Coulter who remarked that modern education apparently teaches kids that the West was Won by 12 year old black girls in covered wagons.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:05 AM (C52a9)
Chief Mel Brooks: Schwartzes. Oy, they're darker than we are.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:05 AM (C52a9)
Chief Mel Brooks: Schwartzes. Oy, they're darker than we are.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 10:17 AM (493sH)
Posted by: bluebell at May 10, 2017 10:17 AM (sBOL1)
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Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:02 AM (C52a9)
It's amazing that a leftist would write any of that, and you can tell it's a leftist since they are blaming whites for creating a "buffer class" instead of understanding that such a thing would develop naturally. Also, for these mixed race individuals to be rich, and especially *heirs*, their white parent would have had to be fairly non-racist for the time and place. The *real* racists would never consider setting up their mixed-race progeny as independent individuals. In short, the paper still denies moral agency in mixed-race slave holders even while admitting their existence. The author will still probably be pilloried for having admitted even that much though.
It's amazing that a leftist would write any of that, and you can tell it's a leftist since they are blaming whites for creating a "buffer class" instead of understanding that such a thing would develop naturally. Also, for these mixed race individuals to be rich, and especially *heirs*, their white parent would have had to be fairly non-racist for the time and place. The *real* racists would never consider setting up their mixed-race progeny as independent individuals. In short, the paper still denies moral agency in mixed-race slave holders even while admitting their existence. The author will still probably be pilloried for having admitted even that much though.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 10, 2017 10:17 AM (sEDyY)
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They know nothing about history, so they destroy statues. Sounds just like mohamadans. Which brings me to my point. Trigger warning alert alarm!!! What segment of American population would willingly convert to islam for revenge purposes?
Posted by: Eromero at May 10, 2017 10:18 AM (zLDYs)
226
Lincoln proved that if your wife wished to divorce you, you are entitled to beat her to death to save the union. Nice marriage, eh?
Posted by: Puddin Head
"You said it beyotch"
Things Lincoln never said Vol 666
Posted by: Blue Hen
But things mohammed DID say.
Posted by: Puddin Head
"You said it beyotch"
Things Lincoln never said Vol 666
Posted by: Blue Hen
But things mohammed DID say.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 10:18 AM (o+pgY)
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The Articles of Confederation mention Perpetual Union at least three times. Nothing later, such as the new Constitution, ever reversed that.
The Northwest Ordinance of 1787, referred to by subsequent territorial incorporations with provisions occasionally made for slavery, specified "The said territory, and the states which may be formed therein, shall forever remain a part of this Confederacy of the United States of America..."
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 10:12 AM (SsblQ)
Who gives a flying fuck what they say?
There's also a law against fomenting rebellion in America. So?
This country was founded on rebellion, and it's our God-given right to throw off and if necessary destroy our enemies, even when they're other Americans.
It's clear we're due for another one. When we're done with the Lefty shitstains, we're done. Fuck what anybody said prior. The Founding Fathers settled the matter.
The Northwest Ordinance of 1787, referred to by subsequent territorial incorporations with provisions occasionally made for slavery, specified "The said territory, and the states which may be formed therein, shall forever remain a part of this Confederacy of the United States of America..."
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 10:12 AM (SsblQ)
Who gives a flying fuck what they say?
There's also a law against fomenting rebellion in America. So?
This country was founded on rebellion, and it's our God-given right to throw off and if necessary destroy our enemies, even when they're other Americans.
It's clear we're due for another one. When we're done with the Lefty shitstains, we're done. Fuck what anybody said prior. The Founding Fathers settled the matter.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 10:18 AM (Jcg9Q)
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Whew. Somebody clicked on a bad e-mail link and spread malware through the address book to the whole company.
Been through this before and it was a nightmare. But the IT powers that be just checked my laptop and with a few minor fixes all is well. I wasn't as badly affected as some others.
Been through this before and it was a nightmare. But the IT powers that be just checked my laptop and with a few minor fixes all is well. I wasn't as badly affected as some others.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 10, 2017 10:18 AM (ul9CR)
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220; the modern media, like walmart, is a centrifuge of spew. for window licking sheep. (no offense to sheep.)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 10:19 AM (KP5rU)
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>>We need to start renaming buildings and streets to Horde-like memes.
The "Don't Bing It Center for Performing Arts"
The "Don't Bing It Center for Performing Arts"
Posted by: Lizzy at May 10, 2017 10:19 AM (NOIQH)
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"true story"
a southern belle loved central park
said the equestrian bronze was a lark
she was terribly aghast
when i told her at last
twas sherman on his victory march!
a southern belle loved central park
said the equestrian bronze was a lark
she was terribly aghast
when i told her at last
twas sherman on his victory march!
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 10, 2017 10:19 AM (WTSFk)
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Watching Senator Richard Blumenthal speak of Comey is a joke. "Richie" devised one of the greatest military frauds in U.S. history. For....
years, as a pol in Connecticut, Blumenthal would talk of his great bravery and conquests in Vietnam - except he was never there. When....
caught, he cried like a baby and begged for forgiveness...and now he is judge & jury. He should be the one who is investigated for his acts.
oh my
concatenated tweets
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:09 AM (fceHP)
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That makes me want to sign up with Twitter.
years, as a pol in Connecticut, Blumenthal would talk of his great bravery and conquests in Vietnam - except he was never there. When....
caught, he cried like a baby and begged for forgiveness...and now he is judge & jury. He should be the one who is investigated for his acts.
oh my
concatenated tweets
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:09 AM (fceHP)
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That makes me want to sign up with Twitter.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 10, 2017 10:19 AM (jTm8s)
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I have pondered the counter-factual of Southern Plantation owners exchanging chattel slavery for the Scottish Tenant/Laird system in the 1850s. Having serfs rather than slaves might have spared the nation a ton of grief.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
It's effectively what happened after the war, anyway, with the sharecropping system.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
It's effectively what happened after the war, anyway, with the sharecropping system.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:19 AM (9krrF)
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There's no excuse for Rebellion, unless you win.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 10, 2017 10:20 AM (QQ+il)
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What segment of American population would willingly convert to islam for revenge purposes?
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I'm not sure, but I'd like to find out.
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I'm not sure, but I'd like to find out.
Posted by: John Brennan at May 10, 2017 10:20 AM (vg8iE)
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206 Not really. Lincoln was advertising his reinforcement and resupply of Sumter daily in the NYTs.
Lincoln's innaugural address ...
"... The government will not assail you. You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors ..."
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 10:12 AM (xIBU4)
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So warmongery!
Lincoln's innaugural address ...
"... The government will not assail you. You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors ..."
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 10:12 AM (xIBU4)
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So warmongery!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:20 AM (mC1ZI)
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Who gives a flying fuck what they say?
There's also a law against fomenting rebellion in America. So?
This country was founded on rebellion, and it's our God-given right to throw off and if necessary destroy our enemies, even when they're other Americans.
It's clear we're due for another one. When we're done with the Lefty shitstains, we're done. Fuck what anybody said prior. The Founding Fathers settled the matter.
Posted by: Country Boy
The only constant is change.
Hell, the Thousand Year Reich proved that.
There's also a law against fomenting rebellion in America. So?
This country was founded on rebellion, and it's our God-given right to throw off and if necessary destroy our enemies, even when they're other Americans.
It's clear we're due for another one. When we're done with the Lefty shitstains, we're done. Fuck what anybody said prior. The Founding Fathers settled the matter.
Posted by: Country Boy
The only constant is change.
Hell, the Thousand Year Reich proved that.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 10:20 AM (o+pgY)
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You know who else destroyed statutes of war heroes and significant battle monuments?
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:20 AM (EV+4+)
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We need to start renaming buildings and streets to Horde-like memes.
The "Don't Bing It Center for Performing Arts"
Posted by: Lizzy at May 10, 2017 10:19 AM (NOIQH)
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The Gun Museum will be next to the Boob Museum which will be next to the Recipe Testing Center.
The "Don't Bing It Center for Performing Arts"
Posted by: Lizzy at May 10, 2017 10:19 AM (NOIQH)
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The Gun Museum will be next to the Boob Museum which will be next to the Recipe Testing Center.
Posted by: bluebell at May 10, 2017 10:21 AM (sBOL1)
240
There's no excuse for Rebellion, unless you win.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
All unions are eternal, until the rebels march into your capital and take your head.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
All unions are eternal, until the rebels march into your capital and take your head.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:21 AM (9krrF)
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Lincoln's innaugural address ...
"... The government will not assail you. You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors ..."
Posted by: ScoggDog
"ya'll were serious about that?"
"... The government will not assail you. You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors ..."
Posted by: ScoggDog
"ya'll were serious about that?"
Posted by: Southern fried clown with a lanyard in his hands at May 10, 2017 10:22 AM (326rv)
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(p.s. lincoln made a point of saying his favorite song was "dixie". he held no malice.)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 10, 2017 10:22 AM (WTSFk)
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Lincoln proved that if your wife wished to divorce you, you are entitled
to beat her to death to save the union. Nice marriage, eh?
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 10:15 AM (vV/gB)
Like it says in the Bible, "[I ]f your straw-man offends thee, pluck him out"
Or in the immortal words of Sir Liddell-Hart "Do not renew an attack along the same line (or in the same form) after
it has once failed."
Lincoln proved that if your wife wished to divorce you, you are entitled
to beat her to death to save the union. Nice marriage, eh?
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 10:15 AM (vV/gB)
Like it says in the Bible, "[I ]f your straw-man offends thee, pluck him out"
Or in the immortal words of Sir Liddell-Hart "Do not renew an attack along the same line (or in the same form) after
it has once failed."
Posted by: Kindltot at May 10, 2017 10:22 AM (mkDpn)
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Preparations underway for Trump's visit to Masada
Donald Trump to be the third sitting president to visit Masada, may be first to give presidential speech at site of battle with Romans.
If A Liberal was in charge i n Israel, they might tear Masada down?
Donald Trump to be the third sitting president to visit Masada, may be first to give presidential speech at site of battle with Romans.
If A Liberal was in charge i n Israel, they might tear Masada down?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 10:22 AM (SjImc)
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238; muzzies, hitler, stalin, lenin, mao, castro? how big of list you want? oh, forgot pol pot.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 10:22 AM (KP5rU)
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>>>That's the recent big push with museums for all of the fancy stuff.
That's happening everywhere. Libraries, Aquariums any sort of repository of things is being replaced by fancy shells. I would argue it is a type of nihilism that goes hand in hand with a culture of death and euthanasia.
That's happening everywhere. Libraries, Aquariums any sort of repository of things is being replaced by fancy shells. I would argue it is a type of nihilism that goes hand in hand with a culture of death and euthanasia.
Posted by: Max Power at May 10, 2017 10:23 AM (QCc6B)
247
Ace may not feel the need to mention this, because... been there done that.
X-Men Torture Head Of 'Heritage' Think Tank In New Comic Book
Captain America says, 'Heritage Initiative. They call themselves a 'think tank,' but---' X-Men leader Kitty Pryde interrupts: 'they're a bunch of anti-mutant racists.'
http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/10/x-men-torture-head-heritage-think-tank-new-comic-book/
I see this crap so often, everywhere. Everywhere.
Ace may not feel the need to mention this, because... been there done that.
X-Men Torture Head Of 'Heritage' Think Tank In New Comic Book
Captain America says, 'Heritage Initiative. They call themselves a 'think tank,' but---' X-Men leader Kitty Pryde interrupts: 'they're a bunch of anti-mutant racists.'
http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/10/x-men-torture-head-heritage-think-tank-new-comic-book/
I see this crap so often, everywhere. Everywhere.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:24 AM (fceHP)
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Having serfs rather than slaves might have spared the nation a ton of grief.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
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Cheap labor is the crack cocaine of civilization. Our recent illegal immigration issues are a result of that fact. And while technology and automation is proposed as the solution, it only fixes half of the problem.
What you gain in profit , you lose in a generation of fat-ass antifa kids who don't know how anything works or how to work.
It's a tough one, for sure.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
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Cheap labor is the crack cocaine of civilization. Our recent illegal immigration issues are a result of that fact. And while technology and automation is proposed as the solution, it only fixes half of the problem.
What you gain in profit , you lose in a generation of fat-ass antifa kids who don't know how anything works or how to work.
It's a tough one, for sure.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:24 AM (C52a9)
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The Left sure likes to romanticize the losing side in the Spanish Civil War.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:24 AM (EV+4+)
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240 There's no excuse for Rebellion, unless you win.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
All unions are eternal, until the rebels march into your capital and take your head.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:21 AM (9krrF)
Go to the classic:
Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason?
For if it doth prosper, none dare call it treason!
Posted by: Grump928(c)
All unions are eternal, until the rebels march into your capital and take your head.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:21 AM (9krrF)
Go to the classic:
Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason?
For if it doth prosper, none dare call it treason!
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2017 10:24 AM (V2Yro)
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grammie ... you asked something early on. "Why can't the States just leave ?". Comment 69.
You see why now ? Because there are a shit pot of people ... including Republicans - including people here - who just get an absolute hard on at the notion of enforcing the will of the State upon the Citizen.
Why can't the States leave ? By God because we say so !!!
And that's about all there is to it.
You see why now ? Because there are a shit pot of people ... including Republicans - including people here - who just get an absolute hard on at the notion of enforcing the will of the State upon the Citizen.
Why can't the States leave ? By God because we say so !!!
And that's about all there is to it.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 10:24 AM (xIBU4)
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maybe do an email thingy grammie. i will be out of
the state then. wife and i are going to charleston/savannah for a week.
you reimburse me for shipping, all yours.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 10:13 AM (KP5rU)
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Okay, chavez. You can reach me at cowboy annie at the hotmail place dot com. Take out the spaces between the first two words.
the state then. wife and i are going to charleston/savannah for a week.
you reimburse me for shipping, all yours.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 10:13 AM (KP5rU)
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Okay, chavez. You can reach me at cowboy annie at the hotmail place dot com. Take out the spaces between the first two words.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 10:25 AM (lwiT4)
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247
Ace may not feel the need to mention this, because... been there done that.
X-Men Torture Head Of 'Heritage' Think Tank In New Comic Book
Captain America says, 'Heritage Initiative. They call themselves a 'think tank,' but---' X-Men leader Kitty Pryde interrupts: 'they're a bunch of anti-mutant racists.'
http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/10/x-men-torture-head-heritage-think-tank-new-comic-book/
I see this crap so often, everywhere. Everywhere.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:24 AM (fceHP)
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It's why conservatives these days seem to have thicker skins than progressives.
Progressives don't see themselves called evil in popular culture very much. We do.
Ace may not feel the need to mention this, because... been there done that.
X-Men Torture Head Of 'Heritage' Think Tank In New Comic Book
Captain America says, 'Heritage Initiative. They call themselves a 'think tank,' but---' X-Men leader Kitty Pryde interrupts: 'they're a bunch of anti-mutant racists.'
http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/10/x-men-torture-head-heritage-think-tank-new-comic-book/
I see this crap so often, everywhere. Everywhere.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:24 AM (fceHP)
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It's why conservatives these days seem to have thicker skins than progressives.
Progressives don't see themselves called evil in popular culture very much. We do.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:25 AM (mC1ZI)
254
Ace may not feel the need to mention this, because... been there done that.
X-Men Torture Head Of 'Heritage' Think Tank In New Comic Book
Captain America says, 'Heritage Initiative. They call themselves a 'think tank,' but---' X-Men leader Kitty Pryde interrupts: 'they're a bunch of anti-mutant racists.'
http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/10/x-men-torture-head-heritage-think-tank-new-comic-book/
I see this crap so often, everywhere. Everywhere.
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So, they are totally down with torture as long as the right people are being tortured.
Noted.
X-Men Torture Head Of 'Heritage' Think Tank In New Comic Book
Captain America says, 'Heritage Initiative. They call themselves a 'think tank,' but---' X-Men leader Kitty Pryde interrupts: 'they're a bunch of anti-mutant racists.'
http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/10/x-men-torture-head-heritage-think-tank-new-comic-book/
I see this crap so often, everywhere. Everywhere.
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So, they are totally down with torture as long as the right people are being tortured.
Noted.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 10:25 AM (vg8iE)
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245 238; muzzies, hitler, stalin, lenin, mao, castro? how big of list you want? oh, forgot pol pot.
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Pol Pot was a follower of Rousseau - not Marx. Both spawned a whole lotta killing.
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Pol Pot was a follower of Rousseau - not Marx. Both spawned a whole lotta killing.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 10:26 AM (vV/gB)
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That statue in Charlottesville is not for long, I'm afraid. Purportedly, a female senior high school student claimed she "felt afraid" when seeing statue of Robert E Lee in Lee park, and the vice mayor of Charlottesville, Wes Bellamy (a former "teacher" in the Charlottesville/Albemarle County school system) has taken it upon himself to lead the charge for removal of statues such as these. Per state law, as I understand it, they are not allowed to move/remove them, but they're gonna do it anyway. For the 'fraid childrens.
Posted by: Stepin' Fetchit at May 10, 2017 10:26 AM (b2jHL)
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There's no excuse for Rebellion, unless you win.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
All unions are eternal, until the rebels march into your capital and take your head.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:21 AM (9krrF)
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And this is not 1861. A country that gets bent out of shape when some soldiers (yeah, marine soldiers!) piss on some dead Afghanistanese terrorists is nothing like either state which fought our Civil War I.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
All unions are eternal, until the rebels march into your capital and take your head.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:21 AM (9krrF)
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And this is not 1861. A country that gets bent out of shape when some soldiers (yeah, marine soldiers!) piss on some dead Afghanistanese terrorists is nothing like either state which fought our Civil War I.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 10:26 AM (SsblQ)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 10:26 AM (IqV8l)
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Several of my ancestors fought in NY regiments during the Civil War.
Posted by: Strobe at May 10, 2017 10:26 AM (gbWkA)
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In the Bruton Church in Williamsburg, VA, there's a plaque in memory of the Confederate soldiers who died in the battle of Williamsburg on May 5, 1862. I made sure to get a picture last time I was there because it's likely only a matter of time before that's removed.
Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at May 10, 2017 10:26 AM (o+uFg)
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The Gun Museum will be next to the Boob Museum which will be next to the Recipe Testing Center.
Posted by: bluebell at May 10, 2017 10:21 AM (sBOL1)
haha
Posted by: bluebell at May 10, 2017 10:21 AM (sBOL1)
haha
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:26 AM (fceHP)
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They can tar me all they want. They'll have to kill me to shut me up.
I'm proud of my Confederate ancestors. I don't claim the Union ones.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (vg8iE)
I too am proud of my Confederate ancestors and have been to more than one ceremony where the Daughters of the Confederacy placed a marker and a rebel flag on one of their graves... to my knowledge, I don't have any Union ancestors.
I'm proud of my Confederate ancestors. I don't claim the Union ones.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (vg8iE)
I too am proud of my Confederate ancestors and have been to more than one ceremony where the Daughters of the Confederacy placed a marker and a rebel flag on one of their graves... to my knowledge, I don't have any Union ancestors.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 10:27 AM (qf8IB)
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Welp, the three Amigo's: Graham, Collins, and McCain just voted with all the Democrats to torpedo the repeal of Obama's midnight regulation on methane.
McCain was expected to vote yes but got all mavericky this morning and voted with the Dem's.
Any ideas what the sudden change in heart for Juan McCain?
McCain was expected to vote yes but got all mavericky this morning and voted with the Dem's.
Any ideas what the sudden change in heart for Juan McCain?
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 10:27 AM (hdpay)
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The Left sure likes to romanticize the losing side in the Spanish Civil War.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:24 AM (EV+4+)
Hmmm...I wonder what that reason could be? Although I doubt the SJWs have any clue about it, more the older commies like Bernie Sanders staining their red diapers over it
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:24 AM (EV+4+)
Hmmm...I wonder what that reason could be? Although I doubt the SJWs have any clue about it, more the older commies like Bernie Sanders staining their red diapers over it
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 10:27 AM (493sH)
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I will reimburse you for shipping. The check will probably bounce. Hope that won't be a problem for you.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 10:27 AM (lwiT4)
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I think he would've seen the folly of Pickett's charge and perhaps talked Lee out of it.
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Pickets Charge would have worked if Jeb Stuarts cavalry flanking maneuver hadn't been defeated by George Armstrong Custer. Rebel cavalry would have been in the rear of Union positions.
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Pickets Charge would have worked if Jeb Stuarts cavalry flanking maneuver hadn't been defeated by George Armstrong Custer. Rebel cavalry would have been in the rear of Union positions.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:27 AM (8XRCm)
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Harvard Law School professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz told CNNs Don
Lemon on Tuesday night that President Donald Trump was well within his
rights to fire former FBI director James Comey,
He will be black listed, never to be seen on CNN again....or the rest of the MFM.
Lemon on Tuesday night that President Donald Trump was well within his
rights to fire former FBI director James Comey,
He will be black listed, never to be seen on CNN again....or the rest of the MFM.
Posted by: Colin at May 10, 2017 10:28 AM (R2UAr)
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These days I'm always nervous when a POTUS travels overseas. No matter who it is.
But even more worried with PDT.
But even more worried with PDT.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 10, 2017 10:28 AM (ul9CR)
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254 So, they are totally down with torture as long as the right people are being tortured.
Noted.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 10:25 AM (vg8iE)
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Who defines "the right people"?
Government? Cause we control that one.
Noted.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 10:25 AM (vg8iE)
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Who defines "the right people"?
Government? Cause we control that one.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:28 AM (mC1ZI)
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Any ideas what the sudden change in heart for Juan McCain?
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 10:27 AM (hdpay)
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He's an asshole.
And has no heart.
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 10:27 AM (hdpay)
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He's an asshole.
And has no heart.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:28 AM (8XRCm)
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The modern West despises it's own original sin and is desperate to no longer exist. They are furious with the rubes who try to delay their coveted dream of the Great Unmaking.
Posted by: Max Power at May 10, 2017 10:29 AM (QCc6B)
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>.X-Men Torture Head Of 'Heritage' Think Tank In New Comic Book
Captain America says, 'Heritage Initiative. They call themselves a
'think tank,' but---' X-Men leader Kitty Pryde interrupts: 'they're a
bunch of anti-mutant racists.'
Un-freakin' - believable. That is straight-up indoctrination.
Reminds of what SNL has become with its very specific DC-insidery target for mockery; they are not trying to appeal to a wide audience by mocking widely recognized cultural thing, they are trying to teach their audience who to hate.
Captain America says, 'Heritage Initiative. They call themselves a
'think tank,' but---' X-Men leader Kitty Pryde interrupts: 'they're a
bunch of anti-mutant racists.'
Un-freakin' - believable. That is straight-up indoctrination.
Reminds of what SNL has become with its very specific DC-insidery target for mockery; they are not trying to appeal to a wide audience by mocking widely recognized cultural thing, they are trying to teach their audience who to hate.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 10, 2017 10:29 AM (NOIQH)
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X-Men leader Kitty Pryde
My favorite brand of kitty litter.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 10:26 AM (IqV8l)
something weird in the "kitty" use these days
a strange commenter over at pjmedia under Simon's new piece
Dutiful Trump follower Roger Simon pushes the state line; that the FBI needs a new start, which reads about as true as the scandal plagued politician who resigns because he wants to spend more time with his family.
"The Hillbilly Kitty" believes the Russian investigation is getting too hot for Trump,
so he makes this panicky and stunningly amateurish move that he thinks will help him.
And Hillary Clinton should be worried? Really? That's a squirrel any "Kitty" can catch and devour instantly. I'd say "nice try" to Mr. Simon with such a ruse, except that its not even a "nice try", its a pretty dumb and transparent one.
One "meow" for Roger Simon, who like many Trump follower these days is getting a little bit too panicky, and pushy, around the cat dish to suit "The Hillbilly Kitty".
What is all this gibberish?
My favorite brand of kitty litter.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 10:26 AM (IqV8l)
something weird in the "kitty" use these days
a strange commenter over at pjmedia under Simon's new piece
Dutiful Trump follower Roger Simon pushes the state line; that the FBI needs a new start, which reads about as true as the scandal plagued politician who resigns because he wants to spend more time with his family.
"The Hillbilly Kitty" believes the Russian investigation is getting too hot for Trump,
so he makes this panicky and stunningly amateurish move that he thinks will help him.
And Hillary Clinton should be worried? Really? That's a squirrel any "Kitty" can catch and devour instantly. I'd say "nice try" to Mr. Simon with such a ruse, except that its not even a "nice try", its a pretty dumb and transparent one.
One "meow" for Roger Simon, who like many Trump follower these days is getting a little bit too panicky, and pushy, around the cat dish to suit "The Hillbilly Kitty".
What is all this gibberish?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:29 AM (fceHP)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 10, 2017 10:29 AM (ul9CR)
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I was at Gettysburg with my son's Boy Scout troop and ran into some re-enactors. All were from the Northeast and all preferred re-enacting as Confederates. Evidently no one is that excited about being a Yankee. I attribute this to Confederate Flair.
Posted by: Puddin Head
I used to do that. I was 69th Penn V I, an Irish regiment out of Philadelphia. We used to beat on the Georgia regiment renowned for shooting Stonewall as he returned to his lines. They loved us.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 10:16 AM (326rv)
Well, at Gettysburg, the Confederates had all the fun... until they didn't. I would imagine for a reenactor, it's a lot more interesting being a part of Pickett's charge.
At the actual battle, not so much.
Posted by: Puddin Head
I used to do that. I was 69th Penn V I, an Irish regiment out of Philadelphia. We used to beat on the Georgia regiment renowned for shooting Stonewall as he returned to his lines. They loved us.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 10:16 AM (326rv)
Well, at Gettysburg, the Confederates had all the fun... until they didn't. I would imagine for a reenactor, it's a lot more interesting being a part of Pickett's charge.
At the actual battle, not so much.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 10:29 AM (TOk1P)
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266 I think he would've seen the folly of Pickett's charge and perhaps talked Lee out of it.
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Pickets Charge would have worked if Jeb Stuarts cavalry flanking maneuver hadn't been defeated by George Armstrong Custer. Rebel cavalry would have been in the rear of Union positions.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:27 AM (8XRCm)
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I posit that if Jackson had been present, Gettysburg would have never happened because strategies leading up to the battle would have been different.
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Pickets Charge would have worked if Jeb Stuarts cavalry flanking maneuver hadn't been defeated by George Armstrong Custer. Rebel cavalry would have been in the rear of Union positions.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:27 AM (8XRCm)
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I posit that if Jackson had been present, Gettysburg would have never happened because strategies leading up to the battle would have been different.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:30 AM (mC1ZI)
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The Gun Museum will be next to the Boob Museum which will be next to the Recipe Testing Center.
They take all the boobs and put 'em in a boob museum
Then they charge all the people a dollar and a half just to see 'em
Oh don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone
They take paradise and hide it in a padded bra
They take all the boobs and put 'em in a boob museum
Then they charge all the people a dollar and a half just to see 'em
Oh don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone
They take paradise and hide it in a padded bra
Posted by: Joni Bandersnatch at May 10, 2017 10:31 AM (gIRsn)
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267 Harvard Law School professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz told CNNs Don
Lemon on Tuesday night that President Donald Trump was well within his
rights to fire former FBI director James Comey,
He will be black listed, never to be seen on CNN again....or the rest of the MFM.
Posted by: Colin at May 10, 2017 10:28 AM (R2UAr)
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He's been throwing around so many heterodoxies over the last few years, it's a surprise that he's allowed on already.
Lemon on Tuesday night that President Donald Trump was well within his
rights to fire former FBI director James Comey,
He will be black listed, never to be seen on CNN again....or the rest of the MFM.
Posted by: Colin at May 10, 2017 10:28 AM (R2UAr)
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He's been throwing around so many heterodoxies over the last few years, it's a surprise that he's allowed on already.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:31 AM (mC1ZI)
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I posit that if Jackson had been present, Gettysburg would have never happened because strategies leading up to the battle would have been different.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:30 AM (mC1ZI)
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True.... but you can make that assertion about any change in command.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:30 AM (mC1ZI)
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True.... but you can make that assertion about any change in command.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:32 AM (8XRCm)
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The Left sure likes to romanticize the losing side in the Spanish Civil War.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:24 AM (EV+4+)
Not only do the idolize it, but they forget that the first things the Communists did when they had the upper hand in the Republic was to jail and execute all the Anarchist members they could find, even pulling them off the front lines to arrest them in the rear.
The Left sure likes to romanticize the losing side in the Spanish Civil War.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:24 AM (EV+4+)
Not only do the idolize it, but they forget that the first things the Communists did when they had the upper hand in the Republic was to jail and execute all the Anarchist members they could find, even pulling them off the front lines to arrest them in the rear.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 10, 2017 10:32 AM (mkDpn)
281
That statue in Charlottesville is not for long, I'm
afraid. Purportedly, a female senior high school student claimed she
"felt afraid" when seeing statue of Robert E Lee in Lee park, and the
vice mayor of Charlottesville, Wes Bellamy (a former "teacher" in the
Charlottesville/Albemarle County school system) has taken it upon
himself to lead the charge for removal of statues such as these. Per
state law, as I understand it, they are not allowed to move/remove them,
but they're gonna do it anyway. For the 'fraid childrens.
Posted by: Stepin' Fetchit at May 10, 2017 10:26 AM (b2jHL)
He will be voted out before that happens... even in deep blue Richmond, the statues on Monument Avenue are cleaned up the next day when BLM assholes deface them and there isn't even a whisper of removing them. History still matters in Virginia.
afraid. Purportedly, a female senior high school student claimed she
"felt afraid" when seeing statue of Robert E Lee in Lee park, and the
vice mayor of Charlottesville, Wes Bellamy (a former "teacher" in the
Charlottesville/Albemarle County school system) has taken it upon
himself to lead the charge for removal of statues such as these. Per
state law, as I understand it, they are not allowed to move/remove them,
but they're gonna do it anyway. For the 'fraid childrens.
Posted by: Stepin' Fetchit at May 10, 2017 10:26 AM (b2jHL)
He will be voted out before that happens... even in deep blue Richmond, the statues on Monument Avenue are cleaned up the next day when BLM assholes deface them and there isn't even a whisper of removing them. History still matters in Virginia.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 10:32 AM (qf8IB)
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"And lo, the attempt to hold leftists accountable to a consistent set of facts and beliefs, yea verily, is like unto trying to drive an 8 penny nail through jello and bark, thus mounting it unto a tree."
The Book of Mort - Century 1, Quatrain 5
"And lo, the attempt to hold leftists accountable to a consistent set of facts and beliefs, yea verily, is like unto trying to drive an 8 penny nail through jello and bark, thus mounting it unto a tree."
The Book of Mort - Century 1, Quatrain 5
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:33 AM (C52a9)
283
The Gun Museum will be next to the Boob Museum which will be next to the Recipe Testing Center.
Which is next door to the sammich factory.
Which is next door to the sammich factory.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 10:33 AM (Jcg9Q)
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I live in Texas, and think that constitutionally, the Confederates had it right. On the other hand, I don't deny my Federal ancestor who spent time in a Confederate POW camp and after escaping, became one of Sherman's staff officers on the March through Georgia. Anybody who wants reparations from me, yeah we gave at the office.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2017 10:33 AM (V2Yro)
285
263 Welp, the three Amigo's: Graham, Collins, and McCain just voted with all the Democrats to torpedo the repeal of Obama's midnight regulation on methane.
McCain was expected to vote yes but got all mavericky this morning and voted with the Dem's.
Any ideas what the sudden change in heart for Juan McCain?
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 10:27 AM (hdpay)
Unfriggenbelievable. And by that I mean utterly believable.
Wasn't the methane thing an EO? So can Trump just EO it away?
McCain was expected to vote yes but got all mavericky this morning and voted with the Dem's.
Any ideas what the sudden change in heart for Juan McCain?
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 10:27 AM (hdpay)
Unfriggenbelievable. And by that I mean utterly believable.
Wasn't the methane thing an EO? So can Trump just EO it away?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 10, 2017 10:33 AM (72PAC)
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They take all the boobs and put 'em in a boob museum
Then they charge all the people a dollar and a half just to see 'em
Oh don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone
They take paradise and hide it in a padded bra
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This is brilliant. Also I hate you because now I have that song in my head. She did have an appealingly quirky little voice though.
Then they charge all the people a dollar and a half just to see 'em
Oh don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone
They take paradise and hide it in a padded bra
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This is brilliant. Also I hate you because now I have that song in my head. She did have an appealingly quirky little voice though.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 10:33 AM (lwiT4)
287
Is Flotus going with Potus on his overseas trip? I don't get to see enough of what she is wearing, etc..yes, yes, girls can be shallow but we like these things..
Posted by: IC at May 10, 2017 10:33 AM (a0IVu)
288
Things may have been quite different had they not turned out the way they did.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 10:33 AM (SsblQ)
289
Harvard Law School professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz told CNNs Don
Lemon on Tuesday night that President Donald Trump was well within his
rights to fire former FBI director James Comey,
He will be black listed, never to be seen on CNN again....or the rest of the MFM.
Posted by: Colin at May 10, 2017 10:28 AM (R2UAr)
you ain't seen nothin until you see David Gregory explode (again)
over at newsbusters.org
Raging David Gregory Assails Ken Cuccinelli for Calling Out His Absurdity
http://www.newsbusters.org/
Lemon on Tuesday night that President Donald Trump was well within his
rights to fire former FBI director James Comey,
He will be black listed, never to be seen on CNN again....or the rest of the MFM.
Posted by: Colin at May 10, 2017 10:28 AM (R2UAr)
you ain't seen nothin until you see David Gregory explode (again)
over at newsbusters.org
Raging David Gregory Assails Ken Cuccinelli for Calling Out His Absurdity
http://www.newsbusters.org/
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:33 AM (fceHP)
290
Forgive my ignorance, but in DC anything named for 'Lee' is for Lighthorse Harry Lee, a Revolutionary War figure?
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 10, 2017 10:33 AM (MIKMs)
291
>>>>I was at Gettysburg with my son's Boy Scout troop and ran into some
re-enactors. All were from the Northeast and all preferred re-enacting
as Confederates. Evidently no one is that excited about being a Yankee. I
attribute this to Confederate Flair.
Posted by: Puddin Head
I used to do that. I was 69th Penn V I, an Irish regiment out of
Philadelphia. We used to beat on the Georgia regiment renowned for
shooting Stonewall as he returned to his lines. They loved us.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 10:16 AM (326rv)
Well, at Gettysburg, the Confederates had all the fun... until they
didn't. I would imagine for a reenactor, it's a lot more interesting
being a part of Pickett's charge.
At the actual battle, not so much.
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.The wife and I did Civil War reenacting for about 6 years as Confederates when we lived in CT. Never did Gettysburg way too big of a reenactment for us.
Our community was split pretty evenly between Blue and Gray but our Uniforms were obviously better.
re-enactors. All were from the Northeast and all preferred re-enacting
as Confederates. Evidently no one is that excited about being a Yankee. I
attribute this to Confederate Flair.
Posted by: Puddin Head
I used to do that. I was 69th Penn V I, an Irish regiment out of
Philadelphia. We used to beat on the Georgia regiment renowned for
shooting Stonewall as he returned to his lines. They loved us.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 10:16 AM (326rv)
Well, at Gettysburg, the Confederates had all the fun... until they
didn't. I would imagine for a reenactor, it's a lot more interesting
being a part of Pickett's charge.
At the actual battle, not so much.
.
.
.The wife and I did Civil War reenacting for about 6 years as Confederates when we lived in CT. Never did Gettysburg way too big of a reenactment for us.
Our community was split pretty evenly between Blue and Gray but our Uniforms were obviously better.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (le7jz)
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274 My earliest ancestors in America arrived in 1883.
But we benefited from slavery, or something.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 10, 2017 10:29 AM (ul9CR)
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My sister's pretty proggy, and the last time I saw her I told her that our 8 or 9 greats grandfather owned slaves, who he bequeathed to his children upon his death (I found a will). She said, "ew", and then, before she could say more, I said, "Well, that history of owning slaves didn't do a whole lot for a great great grandfather who was a penniless runaway in Georgia as a boy."
We weren't supposed to talk politics (per my mother's request) so she took the hint to talk about family history a bit.
But we benefited from slavery, or something.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 10, 2017 10:29 AM (ul9CR)
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My sister's pretty proggy, and the last time I saw her I told her that our 8 or 9 greats grandfather owned slaves, who he bequeathed to his children upon his death (I found a will). She said, "ew", and then, before she could say more, I said, "Well, that history of owning slaves didn't do a whole lot for a great great grandfather who was a penniless runaway in Georgia as a boy."
We weren't supposed to talk politics (per my mother's request) so she took the hint to talk about family history a bit.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (mC1ZI)
293
I used to do that. I was 69th Penn V I, an Irish regiment out of Philadelphia. We used to beat on the Georgia regiment renowned for shooting Stonewall as he returned to his lines. They loved us.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 10:16 AM (326rv)
Well, at Gettysburg, the Confederates had all the fun... until they didn't. I would imagine for a reenactor, it's a lot more interesting being a part of Pickett's charge.
At the actual battle, not so much.
Posted by: BurtTC
Our regiment was positioned at the Angle on Cemetery Hill, and was the main target of that charge. The 69th took 50% casualties turning them back. Things always get lively at the reenactments. One time, we joined up with the 69th NY for the second day in the Wheatfield. They then joined us on the Third day.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 10:16 AM (326rv)
Well, at Gettysburg, the Confederates had all the fun... until they didn't. I would imagine for a reenactor, it's a lot more interesting being a part of Pickett's charge.
At the actual battle, not so much.
Posted by: BurtTC
Our regiment was positioned at the Angle on Cemetery Hill, and was the main target of that charge. The 69th took 50% casualties turning them back. Things always get lively at the reenactments. One time, we joined up with the 69th NY for the second day in the Wheatfield. They then joined us on the Third day.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (326rv)
294
265; no problem, grammie. wouldn't be the first one.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (KP5rU)
295
There's no excuse for Rebellion, unless you win.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
All unions are eternal, until the rebels march into your capital and take your head.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:21 AM (9krrF)
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And this is not 1861. A country that gets bent out of shape when some soldiers (yeah, marine soldiers!) piss on some dead Afghanistanese terrorists is nothing like either state which fought our Civil War I.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 10:26 AM (SsblQ)
All true. I would imagine, if a successful rebellion is in this country's future, it won't have been started by a bunch of people sitting around beforehand, discussing whether it was legal to rebel or not.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
All unions are eternal, until the rebels march into your capital and take your head.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:21 AM (9krrF)
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And this is not 1861. A country that gets bent out of shape when some soldiers (yeah, marine soldiers!) piss on some dead Afghanistanese terrorists is nothing like either state which fought our Civil War I.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 10:26 AM (SsblQ)
All true. I would imagine, if a successful rebellion is in this country's future, it won't have been started by a bunch of people sitting around beforehand, discussing whether it was legal to rebel or not.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (TOk1P)
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266 I think he would've seen the folly of Pickett's charge and perhaps talked Lee out of it.
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Pickets Charge would have worked if Jeb Stuarts cavalry flanking maneuver hadn't been defeated by George Armstrong Custer. Rebel cavalry would have been in the rear of Union positions.
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Not really. I've walked the ground. Southern artillery never could hit the crest of the hill - they were either short or over. The cannonade they unleashed was one of the largest of the war and purportedly was heard in Washington. The fact that it had no effect was proven by the bodies of Virginians.
Enveloping on Little Round Top would have been expensive, but it would have also allowed Lee to roll the entire Union defense.
As a side note, I've never seen a more confusing maze so well suited to defense that was the Devil's Den. You literally lose your bearings when you enter it - and this is without being shot at.
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Pickets Charge would have worked if Jeb Stuarts cavalry flanking maneuver hadn't been defeated by George Armstrong Custer. Rebel cavalry would have been in the rear of Union positions.
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Not really. I've walked the ground. Southern artillery never could hit the crest of the hill - they were either short or over. The cannonade they unleashed was one of the largest of the war and purportedly was heard in Washington. The fact that it had no effect was proven by the bodies of Virginians.
Enveloping on Little Round Top would have been expensive, but it would have also allowed Lee to roll the entire Union defense.
As a side note, I've never seen a more confusing maze so well suited to defense that was the Devil's Den. You literally lose your bearings when you enter it - and this is without being shot at.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (vV/gB)
297
Graham, Collins, and McCain just voted with all the Democrats to torpedo the repeal of Obama's midnight regulation on methane.
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Somebody needs to start stripping comittee chairs and cutting off campaign cash.
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Somebody needs to start stripping comittee chairs and cutting off campaign cash.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (8XRCm)
298
and
ABC Comes to Democrats' Defense Over Comey: They Didn't 'Want Him Fired!'
NBC Accuses DOJ of Lying About Comey Firing: 'It's About Russia'
Panicky ABC, CBS Declare Trump New Nixon After 'Watergate' Firing
and
ABC Comes to Democrats' Defense Over Comey: They Didn't 'Want Him Fired!'
NBC Accuses DOJ of Lying About Comey Firing: 'It's About Russia'
Panicky ABC, CBS Declare Trump New Nixon After 'Watergate' Firing
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (fceHP)
299
If the Colonists had just obeyed authority like they should ... everything would have still been British and we'd have avoided Civil War in the first place.
Always Obey Authority. It's Good For You.
Always Obey Authority. It's Good For You.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (xIBU4)
300
279 I posit that if Jackson had been present, Gettysburg would have never happened because strategies leading up to the battle would have been different.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:30 AM (mC1ZI)
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True.... but you can make that assertion about any change in command.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:32 AM (8XRCm)
I told Lee and a I told him - just go around those damn yankees on that hill and head straight for Washington! They'll have to come down and chase you, and then you've got 'em!!!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:30 AM (mC1ZI)
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True.... but you can make that assertion about any change in command.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:32 AM (8XRCm)
I told Lee and a I told him - just go around those damn yankees on that hill and head straight for Washington! They'll have to come down and chase you, and then you've got 'em!!!
Posted by: James Longstreet at May 10, 2017 10:35 AM (V2Yro)
301
Patty Murray is the demented poster child for the general stupidity of the Northwest. How easy it is for a "retard in tennis shoes" to go from elementary school teacher, to low level school board, to congress where she's one of the "most powerful women" up there. Let that sink in - "most powerful" - - - this dumb brick holds "power." I still remember her stupid tennis shoe campaign which she made "cool" before the Texas Twat.
Posted by: MSTisdale at May 10, 2017 10:35 AM (g9d8D)
302
McCain was expected to vote yes but got all mavericky this morning and voted with the Dem's.
Any ideas what the sudden change in heart for Juan McCain?
Senility.
Any ideas what the sudden change in heart for Juan McCain?
Senility.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 10:36 AM (o+pgY)
303
" Things may have been quite different had they not turned out the way they did."
When you come to the fork in the road....take it.
When you come to the fork in the road....take it.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 10:36 AM (i/+aM)
304
266: "stuart defeated by custer..."
the image of custer fending off stuart with a charge is, however popular, a gross simplification. there was a lengthy skirmish that morning largely by dismounted cavalry that checked stuart in addition to custer's charge. it's pretty interesting to read up on. recommended. i think wikipedia has a good description of the battle.
the image of custer fending off stuart with a charge is, however popular, a gross simplification. there was a lengthy skirmish that morning largely by dismounted cavalry that checked stuart in addition to custer's charge. it's pretty interesting to read up on. recommended. i think wikipedia has a good description of the battle.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 10, 2017 10:36 AM (WTSFk)
305
They take all the boobs and put 'em in a boob museum
Then they charge all the people a dollar and a half just to see 'em
Oh don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone
They take paradise and hide it in a padded bra
Posted by: Joni Bandersnatch at May 10, 2017 10:31 AM (gIRsn)
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Bander, you're a genius.
Then they charge all the people a dollar and a half just to see 'em
Oh don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone
They take paradise and hide it in a padded bra
Posted by: Joni Bandersnatch at May 10, 2017 10:31 AM (gIRsn)
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Bander, you're a genius.
Posted by: bluebell at May 10, 2017 10:37 AM (sBOL1)
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good
In his book Barack Obama: The Story in 2012, Washington Post associate editor David Maraniss exposed Obama's memoir Dreams of My Father as stuffed with false anecdotes. The author later recalled that when Obama objected that "you called my book fiction," he said he replied "No, Mr. President, I complimented it. I called it literature."
This time, the Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David Garrow -- best known for thick volumes on the life of Martin Luther King -- is the author insisting that Obama's memoir is a work of "historical fiction," in which the "most important composite character was the narrator."
In his book Rising Star -- a real door-stop of a book at 1,460 pages -- Garrow concluded Obama's ambition devoured his progressive idealism: "While the crucible of self-creation had produced an ironclad will, the vessel was hollow at its core."
newsbusters.org
In his book Barack Obama: The Story in 2012, Washington Post associate editor David Maraniss exposed Obama's memoir Dreams of My Father as stuffed with false anecdotes. The author later recalled that when Obama objected that "you called my book fiction," he said he replied "No, Mr. President, I complimented it. I called it literature."
This time, the Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David Garrow -- best known for thick volumes on the life of Martin Luther King -- is the author insisting that Obama's memoir is a work of "historical fiction," in which the "most important composite character was the narrator."
In his book Rising Star -- a real door-stop of a book at 1,460 pages -- Garrow concluded Obama's ambition devoured his progressive idealism: "While the crucible of self-creation had produced an ironclad will, the vessel was hollow at its core."
newsbusters.org
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:37 AM (fceHP)
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Not really. I've walked the ground. Southern artillery never could hit the crest of the hill - they were either short or over. The cannonade they unleashed was one of the largest of the war and purportedly was heard in Washington. The fact that it had no effect was proven by the bodies of Virginians.
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I disagree.
Despite the losses in Pickets charge.... elements of the assault made it to the crest and there was intense hand to hand fighting in the Union positions. If there was Cavalry loose in the rear of those positions.... the Confederates would have easily held their gains.
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I disagree.
Despite the losses in Pickets charge.... elements of the assault made it to the crest and there was intense hand to hand fighting in the Union positions. If there was Cavalry loose in the rear of those positions.... the Confederates would have easily held their gains.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:37 AM (8XRCm)
308
Can an Abrams get from Richmond to DC without refueling?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 10, 2017 10:37 AM (VdICR)
309
287; boob belt, short shorts, and cut off t-shirt. every damn day. oh, don't forget the gunboats she calls sneakers. with black socks.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 10:37 AM (KP5rU)
310
The AJC says that I-85 will re-open on MONDAY in time for rush hour. The I-85 bridge which was torched in what appeared to be a drug use-related arson, will open a full month ahead of schedule.
#winning
#winning
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:37 AM (C52a9)
311
306
In his book Rising Star -- a real door-stop of a book at 1,460 pages -- Garrow concluded Obama's ambition devoured his progressive idealism: "While the crucible of self-creation had produced an ironclad will, the vessel was hollow at its core."
newsbusters.org
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:37 AM (fceHP)
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Would have been good to know circa 2007.
In his book Rising Star -- a real door-stop of a book at 1,460 pages -- Garrow concluded Obama's ambition devoured his progressive idealism: "While the crucible of self-creation had produced an ironclad will, the vessel was hollow at its core."
newsbusters.org
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:37 AM (fceHP)
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Would have been good to know circa 2007.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (mC1ZI)
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43:
They tried that. Custer's cavalry broke it up.
They tried that. Custer's cavalry broke it up.
Posted by: Thanatopsis at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (Ch2LU)
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266 I think he would've seen the folly of Pickett's charge and perhaps talked Lee out of it.
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Pickets Charge would have worked if Jeb Stuarts cavalry flanking maneuver hadn't been defeated by George Armstrong Custer. Rebel cavalry would have been in the rear of Union positions.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:27 AM (8XRCm)
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I posit that if Jackson had been present, Gettysburg would have never happened because strategies leading up to the battle would have been different.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:30 AM (mC1ZI)
And that is precisely why I don't care for historical revision fiction. Some author wants to change SOME element of what happened, and then try to figure out what the result will be.
Too many factors, too much can change on the smallest of details. So all the woulda coulda shoulda in the world amounts to mere speculation. Ultimately leading.. to nothing.
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Pickets Charge would have worked if Jeb Stuarts cavalry flanking maneuver hadn't been defeated by George Armstrong Custer. Rebel cavalry would have been in the rear of Union positions.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:27 AM (8XRCm)
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I posit that if Jackson had been present, Gettysburg would have never happened because strategies leading up to the battle would have been different.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:30 AM (mC1ZI)
And that is precisely why I don't care for historical revision fiction. Some author wants to change SOME element of what happened, and then try to figure out what the result will be.
Too many factors, too much can change on the smallest of details. So all the woulda coulda shoulda in the world amounts to mere speculation. Ultimately leading.. to nothing.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (TOk1P)
314
I don't see why the left is so up in arms about slavery back then. Are they upset that one person could view another person as property? And sell them as they wished? That they viewed a certain segment of the population as not fully human, and so they could do with them whatever they wanted? Even dispose of them, abuse them, harm them?
I give you abortion.
I give you abortion.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (lwiT4)
315
Graham, Collins, and McCain just voted with all the Democrats to torpedo the repeal of Obama's midnight regulation on methane.
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Somebody needs to start stripping comittee chairs and cutting off campaign cash.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (8XRCm)
follow the profits
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Somebody needs to start stripping comittee chairs and cutting off campaign cash.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (8XRCm)
follow the profits
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (fceHP)
316
313 And that is precisely why I don't care for historical revision fiction. Some author wants to change SOME element of what happened, and then try to figure out what the result will be.
Too many factors, too much can change on the smallest of details. So all the woulda coulda shoulda in the world amounts to mere speculation. Ultimately leading.. to nothing.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (TOk1P)
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I can't hate on it too much. It's an amusing exercise in futility, but amusing nonetheless.
Too many factors, too much can change on the smallest of details. So all the woulda coulda shoulda in the world amounts to mere speculation. Ultimately leading.. to nothing.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (TOk1P)
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I can't hate on it too much. It's an amusing exercise in futility, but amusing nonetheless.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:39 AM (mC1ZI)
317
I don't see why the left is so up in arms about
slavery back then. Are they upset that one person could view another
person as property? And sell them as they wished? That they viewed a
certain segment of the population as not fully human, and so they could
do with them whatever they wanted? Even dispose of them, abuse them,
harm them?
I give you abortion.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (lwiT4)
Word.
slavery back then. Are they upset that one person could view another
person as property? And sell them as they wished? That they viewed a
certain segment of the population as not fully human, and so they could
do with them whatever they wanted? Even dispose of them, abuse them,
harm them?
I give you abortion.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (lwiT4)
Word.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 10:39 AM (qf8IB)
318
The way to save these monuments is to put Sombreros and Ponchos on them. No way they get touched then.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 10:39 AM (vV/gB)
319
Yes the Revolutionary War could be easily termed a Civil War instead.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:39 AM (EV+4+)
320
ISIS also removes historical statutes it deems to glorify an ignominious past.
Posted by: Crispian at May 10, 2017 10:40 AM (wbYF0)
Posted by: Mohammad (PBAM) at May 10, 2017 10:41 AM (i/+aM)
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General Jackson died on this day in 1863, about a week after being wounded at Chancellorsville, where he and Lee kicked the Army of The Potomac's ass.
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to be fair, if I had Lee's battle plan like 'someone', i could have fought that battle to a tactical defeat!
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to be fair, if I had Lee's battle plan like 'someone', i could have fought that battle to a tactical defeat!
Posted by: Joe Hooker at May 10, 2017 10:41 AM (oGRue)
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Catherine Herridge: Comey Was Fired Because He Refused to Reveal Obama Unmaskers
This smells like the truth to me.
This smells like the truth to me.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 10, 2017 10:42 AM (ul9CR)
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I told Lee and a I told him - just go around those damn yankees on that hill and head straight for Washington! They'll have to come down and chase you, and then you've got 'em!!!
Posted by: James Longstreet at May 10, 2017 10:35 AM (V2Yro)
Oh, I so love you, fake zombie James Longstreet, but YOUR autobio is perhaps the single most unreadable volume ever published.
Not only is your language terribly difficult to follow, but you spend all your time trying to justify what you thought and did, after the fact, to the point of sounding like a whiner. And a sore loser.
Lee should have listened to you. That's fantastic. But he didn't. So shut up about it already. And besides, you're dead. So that's a double shut up to you, sir.
I said good day!
Posted by: James Longstreet at May 10, 2017 10:35 AM (V2Yro)
Oh, I so love you, fake zombie James Longstreet, but YOUR autobio is perhaps the single most unreadable volume ever published.
Not only is your language terribly difficult to follow, but you spend all your time trying to justify what you thought and did, after the fact, to the point of sounding like a whiner. And a sore loser.
Lee should have listened to you. That's fantastic. But he didn't. So shut up about it already. And besides, you're dead. So that's a double shut up to you, sir.
I said good day!
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 10:42 AM (TOk1P)
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I disagree.
Despite the losses in Pickets charge.... elements of the assault made it to the crest and there was intense hand to hand fighting in the Union positions. If there was Cavalry loose in the rear of those positions.... the Confederates would have easily held their gains.
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Good point. I would also point out that the charge was not big enough to succeed. Attacking a fortified position generally requires at least a three to one advantage.
I disagree.
Despite the losses in Pickets charge.... elements of the assault made it to the crest and there was intense hand to hand fighting in the Union positions. If there was Cavalry loose in the rear of those positions.... the Confederates would have easily held their gains.
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Good point. I would also point out that the charge was not big enough to succeed. Attacking a fortified position generally requires at least a three to one advantage.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 10, 2017 10:42 AM (vV/gB)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 10:42 AM (i/+aM)
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Yes the Revolutionary War could be easily termed a Civil War instead.
Or a war of secession. It certainly wasn't a revolution, as the Crown continued to rule Britain and the rest of its empire.
But revolution sounds cooler when the good guys win. Also, we're the good guys.
Or a war of secession. It certainly wasn't a revolution, as the Crown continued to rule Britain and the rest of its empire.
But revolution sounds cooler when the good guys win. Also, we're the good guys.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 10, 2017 10:42 AM (gIRsn)
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319 Yes the Revolutionary War could be easily termed a Civil War instead.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:39 AM (EV+4+)
My Good Messirs Adams and Washington ... as onerous as the situation may be ... the King is still the King and the Law is still the Law.
I say, Obey sir. Obey.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:39 AM (EV+4+)
My Good Messirs Adams and Washington ... as onerous as the situation may be ... the King is still the King and the Law is still the Law.
I say, Obey sir. Obey.
Posted by: Concerned Republican circa 1776 at May 10, 2017 10:42 AM (xIBU4)
329
Texas Twat, lol.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 10:44 AM (Jcg9Q)
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>>>>And that is precisely why I don't care for historical revision fiction.
Some author wants to change SOME element of what happened, and then try
to figure out what the result will be.
Too many factors, too much can change on the smallest of details.
So all the woulda coulda shoulda in the world amounts to mere
speculation. Ultimately leading.. to nothing.
.
.
.Actually I love reading alternative history. Turtledove and his American Civil War series are brilliant reads. Leo Frankowski and his High Tech Engineer series is another good one.
Some author wants to change SOME element of what happened, and then try
to figure out what the result will be.
Too many factors, too much can change on the smallest of details.
So all the woulda coulda shoulda in the world amounts to mere
speculation. Ultimately leading.. to nothing.
.
.
.Actually I love reading alternative history. Turtledove and his American Civil War series are brilliant reads. Leo Frankowski and his High Tech Engineer series is another good one.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 10, 2017 10:44 AM (le7jz)
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313 And that is precisely why I don't care for historical revision fiction. Some author wants to change SOME element of what happened, and then try to figure out what the result will be.
Too many factors, too much can change on the smallest of details. So all the woulda coulda shoulda in the world amounts to mere speculation. Ultimately leading.. to nothing.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (TOk1P)
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I can't hate on it too much. It's an amusing exercise in futility, but amusing nonetheless.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:39 AM (mC1ZI)
I get my amusement watching the tassels on strippers' nip caps spin around.
To each their own.
Too many factors, too much can change on the smallest of details. So all the woulda coulda shoulda in the world amounts to mere speculation. Ultimately leading.. to nothing.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (TOk1P)
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I can't hate on it too much. It's an amusing exercise in futility, but amusing nonetheless.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:39 AM (mC1ZI)
I get my amusement watching the tassels on strippers' nip caps spin around.
To each their own.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 10:44 AM (TOk1P)
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I would imagine, if a successful rebellion is in this country's future, it won't have been started by a bunch of people sitting around beforehand, discussing whether it was legal to rebel or not.
Posted by: BurtTC
Look, let's be honest, human laws are human things. They aren't perfect. They have no substance beyond humans who choose to be bound by them. The legality of a rebellion is largely determined by its success, it's either treason and you're hanged or you win and it's moot.
I find I'm sanguine on the whole "rule of law" these days. The flaw in the concept is simply too glaring.
Posted by: BurtTC
Look, let's be honest, human laws are human things. They aren't perfect. They have no substance beyond humans who choose to be bound by them. The legality of a rebellion is largely determined by its success, it's either treason and you're hanged or you win and it's moot.
I find I'm sanguine on the whole "rule of law" these days. The flaw in the concept is simply too glaring.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:44 AM (9krrF)
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ABC Comes to Democrats' Defense Over Comey: They Didn't 'Want Him Fired!'
NBC Accuses DOJ of Lying About Comey Firing: 'It's About Russia'
Panicky ABC, CBS Declare Trump New Nixon After 'Watergate' Firing
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (fceHP)
Why it's almost if they rewrite the stories to fit the new narrative. Minitrue would be so proud
NBC Accuses DOJ of Lying About Comey Firing: 'It's About Russia'
Panicky ABC, CBS Declare Trump New Nixon After 'Watergate' Firing
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (fceHP)
Why it's almost if they rewrite the stories to fit the new narrative. Minitrue would be so proud
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 10:44 AM (493sH)
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Morning all. So McCain is out there all but saying Trump fired Comey because of the Russia investigation? WTF? That old Geez has to go...
Posted by: It's Me donna at May 10, 2017 10:45 AM (O2RFr)
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Lee should have listened to you. That's fantastic. But he didn't. So shut up about it already. And besides, you're dead. So that's a double shut up to you, sir.
I said good day!
Posted by: BurtTC
Bite your thumb at him!
I said good day!
Posted by: BurtTC
Bite your thumb at him!
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 10:45 AM (o+pgY)
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>>314
I don't see why the left is so up in arms about slavery back then. Are
they upset that one person could view another person as property? Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (lwiT4)
Has nothing to do with slavery as a fact. It's just lip-service, insincere rhetoric designed to keep black voters securely on the Democratic political plantation.
I don't see why the left is so up in arms about slavery back then. Are
they upset that one person could view another person as property? Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (lwiT4)
Has nothing to do with slavery as a fact. It's just lip-service, insincere rhetoric designed to keep black voters securely on the Democratic political plantation.
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 10:46 AM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Jean at May 10, 2017 10:46 AM (Z7f+/)
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>>In his book Rising Star -- a real door-stop of a book at 1,460 pages
-- Garrow concluded Obama's ambition devoured his progressive idealism:
"While the crucible of self-creation had produced an ironclad will, the
vessel was hollow at its core."
Saw the author on Tucker a few nights ago. Nothing like a scorned progressive who's mad about his lightbringer toning down the radical Chicago politician side to get elected and re-elected POTUS.
The guy said that anyone could have found the information he did back in 2007; however, I really doubt that. I recall an NRO columnists (not coming up with his name - maybe Kurtz?) who was denied access to records when he was doing research for his Obama biography when they figured out he was a conservative writer.
-- Garrow concluded Obama's ambition devoured his progressive idealism:
"While the crucible of self-creation had produced an ironclad will, the
vessel was hollow at its core."
Saw the author on Tucker a few nights ago. Nothing like a scorned progressive who's mad about his lightbringer toning down the radical Chicago politician side to get elected and re-elected POTUS.
The guy said that anyone could have found the information he did back in 2007; however, I really doubt that. I recall an NRO columnists (not coming up with his name - maybe Kurtz?) who was denied access to records when he was doing research for his Obama biography when they figured out he was a conservative writer.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 10, 2017 10:46 AM (NOIQH)
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He will be voted out before that happens... even in
deep blue Richmond, the statues on Monument Avenue are cleaned up the
next day when BLM assholes deface them and there isn't even a whisper of
removing them. History still matters in Virginia.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 10:32 AM (qf8IB)
Unfortunately, Charlottesville ain't Richmond. They're all left-of-left Dems here, full tilt Dem city council and country board of stupidvisors.
deep blue Richmond, the statues on Monument Avenue are cleaned up the
next day when BLM assholes deface them and there isn't even a whisper of
removing them. History still matters in Virginia.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 10:32 AM (qf8IB)
Unfortunately, Charlottesville ain't Richmond. They're all left-of-left Dems here, full tilt Dem city council and country board of stupidvisors.
Posted by: Some other Stepid' Fetchit at May 10, 2017 10:46 AM (b2jHL)
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Puddin head @ 184 --Nobody preferred to be a Yankee.
That's why I have both Confederate and Yankee uniforms. Even though my ancestors were Confederates. Well, ok, there may have been a Yankee or two.
That's why I have both Confederate and Yankee uniforms. Even though my ancestors were Confederates. Well, ok, there may have been a Yankee or two.
Posted by: Eromero at May 10, 2017 10:46 AM (zLDYs)
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Catherine Herridge was babbling about Russia's "influence on our elections" yesterday on FOX.
Then tried to act as if she had some special information from "sources" that made her privy to things us commoners just could not understand.
She is an elitist wannabe, just like all the rest.
Then tried to act as if she had some special information from "sources" that made her privy to things us commoners just could not understand.
She is an elitist wannabe, just like all the rest.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:46 AM (C52a9)
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to be fair, if I had Lee's battle plan like 'someone', i could have fought that battle to a tactical defeat!
Posted by: Joe Hooker at May 10, 2017 10:41 AM (oGRue)
Things would have gone better for you if you weren't concussed at the critical juncture.
Posted by: Joe Hooker at May 10, 2017 10:41 AM (oGRue)
Things would have gone better for you if you weren't concussed at the critical juncture.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 10, 2017 10:47 AM (QQ+il)
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>>>>And that is precisely why I don't care for historical revision fiction. Some author wants to change SOME element of what happened, and then try to figure out what the result will be.
Too many factors, too much can change on the smallest of details. So all the woulda coulda shoulda in the world amounts to mere
speculation. Ultimately leading.. to nothing.
.
.
.Actually I love reading alternative history. Turtledove and his American Civil War series are brilliant reads. Leo Frankowski and his High Tech Engineer series is another good one.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 10, 2017 10:44 AM (le7jz)
No, seriously, I get it. As entertainment, it makes perfect sense to me, but I just can't do it.
Same way some people can't do zombie movies, or watch sporting events. It's a matter of taste and preference, and for me, alternate fiction is just too far for my brain to go.
I don't know why, it just is. So yeah, give me monsters and silly sci-fi nonsense all day long, but put historical figures in the story, and I just end up not being able to suspend disbelief.
Too many factors, too much can change on the smallest of details. So all the woulda coulda shoulda in the world amounts to mere
speculation. Ultimately leading.. to nothing.
.
.
.Actually I love reading alternative history. Turtledove and his American Civil War series are brilliant reads. Leo Frankowski and his High Tech Engineer series is another good one.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 10, 2017 10:44 AM (le7jz)
No, seriously, I get it. As entertainment, it makes perfect sense to me, but I just can't do it.
Same way some people can't do zombie movies, or watch sporting events. It's a matter of taste and preference, and for me, alternate fiction is just too far for my brain to go.
I don't know why, it just is. So yeah, give me monsters and silly sci-fi nonsense all day long, but put historical figures in the story, and I just end up not being able to suspend disbelief.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 10:47 AM (TOk1P)
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Why is it the mentally ill SJW children have so much power? Is there nobody who can tell them to go away?
I do understand their mental illness is propagated as virus starting with their hot garbage professors. But I remain puzzled as to their influence.
I do understand their mental illness is propagated as virus starting with their hot garbage professors. But I remain puzzled as to their influence.
Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at May 10, 2017 10:47 AM (hJrjt)
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315 Graham, Collins, and McCain just voted with all the Democrats to torpedo the repeal of Obama's midnight regulation on methane.
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Somebody needs to start stripping comittee chairs and cutting off campaign cash.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (8XRCm)
follow the profits
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (fceHP)
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I watched the vote. They held the vote open for a long time even after all the votes were in. I'm sure there were a few Senators in McCain's face asking him to change his vote. I'm sure in their heads they were thinking "What the F*ck John?"
Personally, I think it was a shot across the bow to Trump for the Comey firing among other things.
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Somebody needs to start stripping comittee chairs and cutting off campaign cash.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (8XRCm)
follow the profits
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:38 AM (fceHP)
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I watched the vote. They held the vote open for a long time even after all the votes were in. I'm sure there were a few Senators in McCain's face asking him to change his vote. I'm sure in their heads they were thinking "What the F*ck John?"
Personally, I think it was a shot across the bow to Trump for the Comey firing among other things.
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 10:48 AM (hdpay)
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Panicky ABC, CBS Declare Trump New Nixon After 'Watergate' Firing
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (fceHP)
Nixon didn't fire the FBI director... He fired the Special investigator, Attorney General, and Asst. Attorney general who were investigation him... Big difference...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2017 10:34 AM (fceHP)
Nixon didn't fire the FBI director... He fired the Special investigator, Attorney General, and Asst. Attorney general who were investigation him... Big difference...
Posted by: It's Me donna at May 10, 2017 10:48 AM (O2RFr)
347
DAR is Daughters of the American Revolution, yes?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 10, 2017 10:48 AM (QQ+il)
348
249 The Left sure likes to romanticize the losing side in the Spanish Civil War.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:24 AM (EV+4+)
Which the Spanish commies probably would have won, if they'd spent half as much effort fighting the Falangists as they did slaughtering their own allies.
249 The Left sure likes to romanticize the losing side in the Spanish Civil War.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:24 AM (EV+4+)
Which the Spanish commies probably would have won, if they'd spent half as much effort fighting the Falangists as they did slaughtering their own allies.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 10, 2017 10:49 AM (XWkhW)
Posted by: Joe Hooker at May 10, 2017 10:49 AM (oGRue)
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The latest Fake News, you see this?
The big fake news outlets are running with the clip of Lavrov feigning surprise over Comey's firing.
They're presenting the clip as Lavrov being genuinely surprised over hearing the news for the first time.
The latest Fake News, you see this?
The big fake news outlets are running with the clip of Lavrov feigning surprise over Comey's firing.
They're presenting the clip as Lavrov being genuinely surprised over hearing the news for the first time.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 10, 2017 10:49 AM (cjXKD)
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"Does anyone know what a DAR A# means in geneology databases?"
Spitballing' it.
Daughters of the American Revolution member number.
Spitballing' it.
Daughters of the American Revolution member number.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 10:49 AM (i/+aM)
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Our Civil War is unique in that the winning side pardoned the losing combatants and they went on to help expand the United States. It truly was like a family fight and subsequent reconciliation.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:49 AM (EV+4+)
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I do understand their mental illness is propagated as virus starting with their hot garbage professors. But I remain puzzled as to their influence.
Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods
Left's gotta have their cannon fodder. Media amplifies the numbers for effect.
It's all going to backfire horrendously, mind you.
Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods
Left's gotta have their cannon fodder. Media amplifies the numbers for effect.
It's all going to backfire horrendously, mind you.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:49 AM (9krrF)
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Personally, I think it was a shot across the bow to Trump for the Comey firing among other things.
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#keatingfive needs to start trending
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#keatingfive needs to start trending
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:49 AM (C52a9)
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The guy I was thinking of is Stanley Kurtz, who wrote "Radical in Chief."
Posted by: Lizzy at May 10, 2017 10:49 AM (NOIQH)
356
#keatingfive needs to start trending
Good idea... I'm not really on social media... All you that are should start bringing that up...
Good idea... I'm not really on social media... All you that are should start bringing that up...
Posted by: It's Me donna at May 10, 2017 10:51 AM (O2RFr)
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I come from a mixed family. My paternal great-grandfather whom I'm named after (ironically with the surname "Lee") served the north in a Kansas Cav regiment. One of my maternal great-grandfathers served alongside him in the same regiment over a hundred years before their respective grandchildren married and had a baby boy, me.
On the other hand, my mom was Cherokee. Another of her grandfathers fought for the south in the Cherokee regiments. The best part? He fought in a battle against the 6th Kansas Cav in NW Oklahoma where the other two were present. Out of 4 great grandfathers, 3 of mine were present at the same battle on the same day.
He didn't own slaves, but the government he was fighting against had taken his land and marched his people across the country.
My point? For some of us, this is our family history and it is important. Leave it the fuck alone. Its a complex issue and people on both sides fought for different reasons. Focus on ways to teach that complexity to our children.
On the other hand, my mom was Cherokee. Another of her grandfathers fought for the south in the Cherokee regiments. The best part? He fought in a battle against the 6th Kansas Cav in NW Oklahoma where the other two were present. Out of 4 great grandfathers, 3 of mine were present at the same battle on the same day.
He didn't own slaves, but the government he was fighting against had taken his land and marched his people across the country.
My point? For some of us, this is our family history and it is important. Leave it the fuck alone. Its a complex issue and people on both sides fought for different reasons. Focus on ways to teach that complexity to our children.
Posted by: DanInMN at May 10, 2017 10:51 AM (h5ffp)
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A fake reporter yells a question at Lavrov "What about Comey's firing?!?!"
Lavrov goes "He was fired?!? You're kidding!" And then rolls his eyes and walks away with Tillerson.
I shit you not, the entire Fake News is now running it as "Lavrov Surprised By Comey's Firing!"
A fake reporter yells a question at Lavrov "What about Comey's firing?!?!"
Lavrov goes "He was fired?!? You're kidding!" And then rolls his eyes and walks away with Tillerson.
I shit you not, the entire Fake News is now running it as "Lavrov Surprised By Comey's Firing!"
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 10, 2017 10:51 AM (cjXKD)
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I find I'm sanguine on the whole "rule of law" these days. The flaw in the concept is simply too glaring.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:44 AM (9krrF)
Have you been reading The Musings of ScoggDog ? For an extra five quatloos ... I can get you a signed hardback.
Republicans love to enforce their will on others just as much as Democrats. Shouting "It's The Law" just makes 'em feel better about it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:44 AM (9krrF)
Have you been reading The Musings of ScoggDog ? For an extra five quatloos ... I can get you a signed hardback.
Republicans love to enforce their will on others just as much as Democrats. Shouting "It's The Law" just makes 'em feel better about it.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 10:51 AM (xIBU4)
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#keatingfive needs to start trending
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:49 AM (C52a9)
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That.... and McStains role in helping Lois Lerner put down the Tea Party groups.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:49 AM (C52a9)
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That.... and McStains role in helping Lois Lerner put down the Tea Party groups.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:51 AM (8XRCm)
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Unfortunately, Charlottesville ain't Richmond. They're all left-of-left Dems here, full tilt Dem city council and country board of stupidvisors.
Yep.
I recall some time ago Charlottesville tried to enact local anti-gun regulations in violation of state law. VCDL smacked them down but good.
Yep.
I recall some time ago Charlottesville tried to enact local anti-gun regulations in violation of state law. VCDL smacked them down but good.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 10, 2017 10:51 AM (PFy0L)
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I have always viewed the American Civil War as our greatest
tragedy. We were unable to resolve our
differences without shedding the blood of Americans. It was a disgraceful and shameful time in our
history.
Although the crux of the war was no State could leave the
union by unilateral act, it was the war that ended slavery. The flag commonly known as the Confederate
flag symbolized both rebellion and slavery.
Thus, it has no place on public property.
The people who fought under any flag for the Confederacy, no
matter how noble they were or are now perceived, were and remain traitors to
the United States of America. Do any
people, anyplace on Earth, maintain shrines to traitors? In any case, no such shrine should be on any
public property in the United States.
Removal of the shrines does not remove the people from
history. Their stories should be told,
before the war, during the war, and after the war. They were and remain a part of us.
As for private citizens, they should be free to display and
honor any one in any manner on private property. Any person who interferes with such actions
should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Especially those people who commit or incite
violence.
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public property in the United States.
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history. Their stories should be told,
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Posted by: Locke Common at May 10, 2017 10:52 AM (VnyPp)
363
That.... and McStains role in helping Lois Lerner put down the Tea Party groups.
Right. And wasn't he the one who shopped the Russia golden showers thing?
Right. And wasn't he the one who shopped the Russia golden showers thing?
Posted by: It's Me donna at May 10, 2017 10:52 AM (O2RFr)
364
345 I watched the vote. They held the vote open for a long time even after all the votes were in. I'm sure there were a few Senators in McCain's face asking him to change his vote. I'm sure in their heads they were thinking "What the F*ck John?"
Personally, I think it was a shot across the bow to Trump for the Comey firing among other things.
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 10:48 AM (hdpay)
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Making the country worse because Trump did something that was well within his power and most people wished would happen 24 hours ago?
Sounds like McCain.
Personally, I think it was a shot across the bow to Trump for the Comey firing among other things.
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 10:48 AM (hdpay)
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Making the country worse because Trump did something that was well within his power and most people wished would happen 24 hours ago?
Sounds like McCain.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:52 AM (mC1ZI)
365
hello barrel.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 10:52 AM (KP5rU)
366
My point? For some of us, this is our family history and it is important. Leave it the fuck alone. Its a complex issue and people on both sides fought for different reasons. Focus on ways to teach that complexity to our children.
Posted by: DanInMN
Threadwinner at #357.
Posted by: DanInMN
Threadwinner at #357.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 10:53 AM (o+pgY)
367
342 to be fair, if I had Lee's battle plan like 'someone', i could have fought that battle to a tactical defeat!
Posted by: Joe Hooker at May 10, 2017 10:41 AM (oGRue)
Things would have gone better for you if you weren't concussed at the critical juncture.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 10, 2017 10:47 AM (QQ+il)
By "concussed" I think you mean "falling-down drunk".
342 to be fair, if I had Lee's battle plan like 'someone', i could have fought that battle to a tactical defeat!
Posted by: Joe Hooker at May 10, 2017 10:41 AM (oGRue)
Things would have gone better for you if you weren't concussed at the critical juncture.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 10, 2017 10:47 AM (QQ+il)
By "concussed" I think you mean "falling-down drunk".
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 10, 2017 10:53 AM (XWkhW)
368
I shit you not, the entire Fake News is now running it as "Lavrov Surprised By Comey's Firing!"
The smarter play would have been "Lavrov Relieved by Comey Firing."
The smarter play would have been "Lavrov Relieved by Comey Firing."
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 10, 2017 10:53 AM (QQ+il)
369
I would imagine, if a successful rebellion is in this country's future, it won't have been started by a bunch of people sitting around beforehand, discussing whether it was legal to rebel or not.
Posted by: BurtTC
Look, let's be honest, human laws are human things. They aren't perfect. They have no substance beyond humans who choose to be bound by them. The legality of a rebellion is largely determined by its success, it's either treason and you're hanged or you win and it's moot.
I find I'm sanguine on the whole "rule of law" these days. The flaw in the concept is simply too glaring.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:44 AM (9krrF)
This gets to the point where some people find it uncomfortable though. Which is to say, ARE they human laws? We talked in those terms once, "endowed by our Creator."
The foundation, the "rule of law" was supposed to be based on something higher, deeper than human endeavoring.
Without that foundation, the whole thing crumbles. Atheists can construct all sorts of chains and pulleys and braces, but really, that ain't going to do the job.
Posted by: BurtTC
Look, let's be honest, human laws are human things. They aren't perfect. They have no substance beyond humans who choose to be bound by them. The legality of a rebellion is largely determined by its success, it's either treason and you're hanged or you win and it's moot.
I find I'm sanguine on the whole "rule of law" these days. The flaw in the concept is simply too glaring.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:44 AM (9krrF)
This gets to the point where some people find it uncomfortable though. Which is to say, ARE they human laws? We talked in those terms once, "endowed by our Creator."
The foundation, the "rule of law" was supposed to be based on something higher, deeper than human endeavoring.
Without that foundation, the whole thing crumbles. Atheists can construct all sorts of chains and pulleys and braces, but really, that ain't going to do the job.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 10:53 AM (TOk1P)
370
FEEEEED MEEEEEEEE!!!
FEEEEED MEEEEEEEE!!!
Posted by: The Barrel at May 10, 2017 10:53 AM (8XRCm)
371
... yes. wikipedia has a detailed description of the cavalry battle at the "east cavalry field" on the 3rd day at gettysburg. more than custer rushing at stuart. gregg was in overall command on the field. interesting read.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 10, 2017 10:54 AM (WTSFk)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 10, 2017 10:54 AM (cjXKD)
373
352 Our Civil War is unique in that the winning side pardoned the losing combatants and they went on to help expand the United States. It truly was like a family fight and subsequent reconciliation.
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the make up sex was AMAZING
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the make up sex was AMAZING
Posted by: Virginia and West Virginia at May 10, 2017 10:54 AM (oGRue)
374
Locke, stalk to the Barrel.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:54 AM (9krrF)
375
to be fair, if I had Lee's battle plan like 'someone', i could have fought that battle to a tactical defeat!
Posted by: Joe Hooker
Two good books about Chancellorsville. In The Souls of the Brave by Ferguson, he crucifies Hooker for incompetence and Chancellorsville by Sears who excuses Hooker on the grounds that he suffered a concussion by cannonball and should have been relieved. So take your pick.
Posted by: Joe Hooker
Two good books about Chancellorsville. In The Souls of the Brave by Ferguson, he crucifies Hooker for incompetence and Chancellorsville by Sears who excuses Hooker on the grounds that he suffered a concussion by cannonball and should have been relieved. So take your pick.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks and You're Not at May 10, 2017 10:54 AM (Nwg0u)
376
Confederate Veterans were declared US Veterans back in 1957. Tearing down a Confederate monument is no different than tearing down any other Veteran Monument
Posted by: macko at May 10, 2017 10:54 AM (Wby91)
377
374 Locke, stalk to the Barrel.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:54 AM (9krrF)
*snort*
374 Locke, stalk to the Barrel.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:54 AM (9krrF)
*snort*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 10, 2017 10:55 AM (XWkhW)
378
Posted by: Locke Common at May 10, 2017 10:52 AM (VnyPp)
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Well that's one way to do it. Although I wouldn't recommend it.
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Well that's one way to do it. Although I wouldn't recommend it.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 10:55 AM (lwiT4)
379
A fake reporter yells a question at Lavrov "What about Comey's firing?!?!"
Lavrov goes "He was fired?!? You're kidding!" And then rolls his eyes and walks away with Tillerson.
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he was only surprised that he was fired, not shot
Lavrov goes "He was fired?!? You're kidding!" And then rolls his eyes and walks away with Tillerson.
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he was only surprised that he was fired, not shot
Posted by: Virginia and West Virginia at May 10, 2017 10:55 AM (oGRue)
380
DAR is Daughters of the American Revolution, yes?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 10, 2017 10:48 AM (QQ+il)
Yes.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 10, 2017 10:48 AM (QQ+il)
Yes.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 10:56 AM (TOk1P)
381
Making the country worse because Trump did something that was well within his power and most people wished would happen 24 hours ago?
Sounds like McCain.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:52 AM (mC1ZI)
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More proof that it was McCains' big FU to Trump. They had Pence at the capital ready to break the tie. McCain flipped at last minute most likely because of the Comey firing.
Sounds like McCain.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:52 AM (mC1ZI)
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More proof that it was McCains' big FU to Trump. They had Pence at the capital ready to break the tie. McCain flipped at last minute most likely because of the Comey firing.
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 10:56 AM (hdpay)
382
The foundation, the "rule of law" was supposed to be based on something higher, deeper than human endeavoring.
Without that foundation, the whole thing crumbles. Atheists can construct all sorts of chains and pulleys and braces, but really, that ain't going to do the job.
Posted by: BurtTC
Depends. If the highest judges are human, it's human law. If you regard a power higher than that as being the final say, it's different. I think we've wandered too far astray to make the "divine law" argument for now.
As evidence for my position, I submit the years 2009-2016.
Without that foundation, the whole thing crumbles. Atheists can construct all sorts of chains and pulleys and braces, but really, that ain't going to do the job.
Posted by: BurtTC
Depends. If the highest judges are human, it's human law. If you regard a power higher than that as being the final say, it's different. I think we've wandered too far astray to make the "divine law" argument for now.
As evidence for my position, I submit the years 2009-2016.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:56 AM (9krrF)
383
Locke Common, that...that...this means war!
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 10:57 AM (SsblQ)
384
381
More proof that it was McCains' big FU to Trump. They had Pence at the capital ready to break the tie. McCain flipped at last minute most likely because of the Comey firing.
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 10:56 AM (hdpay)
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This is his last term, right?
I mean...he's not running in 2024, right?
There's an end in sight?
More proof that it was McCains' big FU to Trump. They had Pence at the capital ready to break the tie. McCain flipped at last minute most likely because of the Comey firing.
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 10:56 AM (hdpay)
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This is his last term, right?
I mean...he's not running in 2024, right?
There's an end in sight?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:57 AM (mC1ZI)
385
Without its history, New Orleans is little more than a humid, corrupt, crime-ridden cesspool
Posted by: Reggie1971 at May 10, 2017 10:57 AM (k9Zh+)
386
This gets to the point where some people find it uncomfortable though. Which is to say, ARE they human laws? We talked in those terms once, "endowed by our Creator."
The foundation, the "rule of law" was supposed to be based on something higher, deeper than human endeavoring.
Without that foundation, the whole thing crumbles. Atheists can construct all sorts of chains and pulleys and braces, but really, that ain't going to do the job.
So, "endowed by our creator" allows us to terminate life
en-utero. Sounds like the left has already built the chains and pulleys.
The foundation, the "rule of law" was supposed to be based on something higher, deeper than human endeavoring.
Without that foundation, the whole thing crumbles. Atheists can construct all sorts of chains and pulleys and braces, but really, that ain't going to do the job.
So, "endowed by our creator" allows us to terminate life
en-utero. Sounds like the left has already built the chains and pulleys.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 10:57 AM (o+pgY)
387
My point? For some of us, this is our family history and it is important. Leave it the fuck alone. Its a complex issue and people on both sides fought for different reasons. Focus on ways to teach that complexity to our children.
Posted by: DanInMN at May 10, 2017 10:51 AM (h5ffp)
Thank you Dan. This is something I agree with completely. If the display of the statues front and center at St Charles Square is too much for some snowflakes, then move the statues to a museum for Civil War history. But don't destroy them. There are compromises that can be made that don't stomp all over history.
My point? For some of us, this is our family history and it is important. Leave it the fuck alone. Its a complex issue and people on both sides fought for different reasons. Focus on ways to teach that complexity to our children.
Posted by: DanInMN at May 10, 2017 10:51 AM (h5ffp)
Thank you Dan. This is something I agree with completely. If the display of the statues front and center at St Charles Square is too much for some snowflakes, then move the statues to a museum for Civil War history. But don't destroy them. There are compromises that can be made that don't stomp all over history.
Posted by: moki at May 10, 2017 10:57 AM (V+V48)
388
By "concussed" I think you mean "falling-down drunk".
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 10, 2017 10:53 AM (XWkhW)
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one can lead to the other
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 10, 2017 10:53 AM (XWkhW)
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one can lead to the other
Posted by: Joe Hooker at May 10, 2017 10:57 AM (oGRue)
389
Boring market again, think I'll run to Walmart and hobnob with America's finest. /s
Back in a bit.
Back in a bit.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 10:58 AM (Jcg9Q)
390
Posted by: Locke Common at May 10, 2017 10:52 AM (VnyPp)
Copying and pasting talking points that's ignorant of our unique history. If you haven't noticed, The United States is like nothing that preceded it and can't be compared to what other countries do or have done.
Copying and pasting talking points that's ignorant of our unique history. If you haven't noticed, The United States is like nothing that preceded it and can't be compared to what other countries do or have done.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:58 AM (EV+4+)
391
My point? For some of us, this is our family history and it is
important. Leave it the fuck alone. Its a complex issue and people on
both sides fought for different reasons. Focus on ways to teach that
complexity to our children.
Anytime you go into history, especially the further you back you go, with a mindset of "good guys vs. bad guys," you are quickly disappointed.
In fiction? Less so-- the there are heroes with small flaws or quirks or blindspots or occasional bad judgment, anti-heroes and shades of gray, truly terrible villains and everything in between, but there are heroes.
FWIW, the ancient Greek idea of the "hero" didn't really have a moral element, at least not a strong one. A Greek hero was someone who did mighty feats, even if those feats were murderous or otherwise bad.
important. Leave it the fuck alone. Its a complex issue and people on
both sides fought for different reasons. Focus on ways to teach that
complexity to our children.
Anytime you go into history, especially the further you back you go, with a mindset of "good guys vs. bad guys," you are quickly disappointed.
In fiction? Less so-- the there are heroes with small flaws or quirks or blindspots or occasional bad judgment, anti-heroes and shades of gray, truly terrible villains and everything in between, but there are heroes.
FWIW, the ancient Greek idea of the "hero" didn't really have a moral element, at least not a strong one. A Greek hero was someone who did mighty feats, even if those feats were murderous or otherwise bad.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 10:58 AM (jh6SF)
392
McCain flipped at last minute most likely because of the Comey firing.
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Nice to know that fucking senile asshole has the interest of his constituents at heart and doesnt use torpedo useful legislation as payback in his fucking tiny dick measuring contests.
*spit*
McCain flipped at last minute most likely because of the Comey firing.
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Nice to know that fucking senile asshole has the interest of his constituents at heart and doesnt use torpedo useful legislation as payback in his fucking tiny dick measuring contests.
*spit*
Posted by: The Barrel at May 10, 2017 10:59 AM (8XRCm)
393
I mean...he's not running in 2024, right?
At this point he's animatronic - he'll be running. He has nothing else in his life he can ruin since the FAA took away his pilots license.
At this point he's animatronic - he'll be running. He has nothing else in his life he can ruin since the FAA took away his pilots license.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at May 10, 2017 10:59 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: Moron Pundit at May 10, 2017 10:59 AM (xeeHA)
Posted by: fixeruper at May 10, 2017 10:59 AM (8XRCm)
396
... when you think about it, the idea that custer's regiment would rout stuarts division with a charge (as i've seen depicted) is pretty silly.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 10, 2017 10:59 AM (WTSFk)
397
" Some folks are aware that the General’s second wife, Mary Anna Morrison, was born in North Carolina in 1831. She met Jackson in Virginia, not long before the war began, and they were married. Once the war began, she returned to Charlotte and continued to make the Queen city her home after his death.
After the war, Mrs. Stonewall Jackson was a very prominent member of the community that sought to commemorate the war. In 1898, Mrs. Jackson organized and became the first president of Stonewall Jackson Chapter #220 of the United Daughters of the Confederacy in Charlotte. She was elected president for life. As her health permitted, she was always at Confederate Veteran reunions, and the old soldiers always enjoyed seeing her, the wife of their beloved commander.
Mrs. Jackson died in 1915 and is buried beside her husband in Lexington, Virginia. In 1938, the U. D. C. marked the birthplace of Mrs. Stonewall Jackson on Derita Road in Charlotte with a large memorial arch and a bronze plaque."
http://tinyurl.com/n2kudmh
After the war, Mrs. Stonewall Jackson was a very prominent member of the community that sought to commemorate the war. In 1898, Mrs. Jackson organized and became the first president of Stonewall Jackson Chapter #220 of the United Daughters of the Confederacy in Charlotte. She was elected president for life. As her health permitted, she was always at Confederate Veteran reunions, and the old soldiers always enjoyed seeing her, the wife of their beloved commander.
Mrs. Jackson died in 1915 and is buried beside her husband in Lexington, Virginia. In 1938, the U. D. C. marked the birthplace of Mrs. Stonewall Jackson on Derita Road in Charlotte with a large memorial arch and a bronze plaque."
http://tinyurl.com/n2kudmh
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2017 10:59 AM (OdK9v)
398
385 Without its history, New Orleans is little more than a humid, corrupt, crime-ridden cesspool
where chicks flash their bewbs for beads...
where chicks flash their bewbs for beads...
Posted by: Joe Hooker at May 10, 2017 11:00 AM (oGRue)
399
I was hoping when the barrel summons it was on a post that wasn't so sacrimonious.
Posted by: auscolpyr at May 10, 2017 11:01 AM (suO/a)
400
Our Civil War is unique in that the winning side pardoned the losing combatants and they went on to help expand the United States. It truly was like a family fight and subsequent reconciliation.
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the make up sex was AMAZING
Posted by: Virginia and West Virginia
Yeah. Texas is still getting fucked to this day by Reconstruction.
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the make up sex was AMAZING
Posted by: Virginia and West Virginia
Yeah. Texas is still getting fucked to this day by Reconstruction.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:01 AM (o+pgY)
401
This gets to the point where some people find it uncomfortable though. Which is to say, ARE they human laws? We talked in those terms once, "endowed by our Creator."
If and when a Creator comes down and starts calling balls and strikes ... I'll listen. Until then - we're stuck with people. And people pretty much suck. Ambitious people who seek power over other people suck more.
The useful idiot people who constantly hand over power to the sucky ambitious people suck most of all.
If and when a Creator comes down and starts calling balls and strikes ... I'll listen. Until then - we're stuck with people. And people pretty much suck. Ambitious people who seek power over other people suck more.
The useful idiot people who constantly hand over power to the sucky ambitious people suck most of all.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 11:01 AM (xIBU4)
402
398; now, what are its bad points?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 10, 2017 11:01 AM (KP5rU)
403
Couple things -
1) history is messy. Even causes we think 'wrong' can and do have honorable and virtuous supporters;
2) heh. Do these snowflakes even history?
3) sculptor's name was Keck, a common Americanization of Kek.
1) history is messy. Even causes we think 'wrong' can and do have honorable and virtuous supporters;
2) heh. Do these snowflakes even history?
3) sculptor's name was Keck, a common Americanization of Kek.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 10, 2017 11:03 AM (TwwWO)
404
196 183 IIRC "Dixie" was written by a New York Jew! Oh the humanity! "
You're thinking of "White Christmas," written by Irving Berlin.
You're thinking of "White Christmas," written by Irving Berlin.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at May 10, 2017 11:03 AM (s7vJs)
405
The foundation, the "rule of law" was supposed to be based on something higher, deeper than human endeavoring.
Without that foundation, the whole thing crumbles. Atheists can construct all sorts of chains and pulleys and braces, but really, that ain't going to do the job.
Posted by: BurtTC
Depends. If the highest judges are human, it's human law. If you regard a power higher than that as being the final say, it's different. I think we've wandered too far astray to make the "divine law" argument for now.
As evidence for my position, I submit the years 2009-2016.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:56 AM (9krrF)
So, "endowed by our creator" allows us to terminate life
en-utero. Sounds like the left has already built the chains and pulleys.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 10:57 AM (o+pgY)
Exactly. That's my point. The principle, Divine Law being the foundation of human law, thus creating a system that is just and sustainable... only works when people believe in the Creator, the source of THE law.
We don't have that anymore. We washed it away, so that's why this crap is falling apart.
Without that foundation, the whole thing crumbles. Atheists can construct all sorts of chains and pulleys and braces, but really, that ain't going to do the job.
Posted by: BurtTC
Depends. If the highest judges are human, it's human law. If you regard a power higher than that as being the final say, it's different. I think we've wandered too far astray to make the "divine law" argument for now.
As evidence for my position, I submit the years 2009-2016.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:56 AM (9krrF)
So, "endowed by our creator" allows us to terminate life
en-utero. Sounds like the left has already built the chains and pulleys.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 10:57 AM (o+pgY)
Exactly. That's my point. The principle, Divine Law being the foundation of human law, thus creating a system that is just and sustainable... only works when people believe in the Creator, the source of THE law.
We don't have that anymore. We washed it away, so that's why this crap is falling apart.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 11:04 AM (TOk1P)
406
I disagree.
Despite the losses in Pickets charge.... elements of the assault made it to the crest and there was intense hand to hand fighting in the Union positions. If there was Cavalry loose in the rear of those positions.... the Confederates would have easily held their gains.
Posted by: fixerupper
I doubt it. Even where they reached the wall, they were being repulsed AND a brigade rushed in and counter charged. Several of them received MOH because they "captured battle flags"; actually picking up some that had fallen.
Unless Confederate cavalry had won their battle and had THEN covered the ground between there and the flank of Cemetery hill, there was little chance for it.
Despite the losses in Pickets charge.... elements of the assault made it to the crest and there was intense hand to hand fighting in the Union positions. If there was Cavalry loose in the rear of those positions.... the Confederates would have easily held their gains.
Posted by: fixerupper
I doubt it. Even where they reached the wall, they were being repulsed AND a brigade rushed in and counter charged. Several of them received MOH because they "captured battle flags"; actually picking up some that had fallen.
Unless Confederate cavalry had won their battle and had THEN covered the ground between there and the flank of Cemetery hill, there was little chance for it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:04 AM (326rv)
407
If and when a Creator comes down and starts calling balls and strikes ... I'll listen. Until then - we're stuck with people. And people pretty much suck. Ambitious people who seek power over other people suck more.
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the desire to rule should itself disqualify one from being granted power.
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the desire to rule should itself disqualify one from being granted power.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 11:04 AM (oGRue)
408
Wow. Locke Common headfirst into the Barrel.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 11:05 AM (PY9jH)
409
There are compromises that can be made that don't stomp all over history.
Posted by: moki at May 10, 2017 10:57 AM (V+V4
There's the problem right there - compromise with the left just do not work. They are the proverbial camel-in-the-tent.
Give them nothing.
Posted by: moki at May 10, 2017 10:57 AM (V+V4
There's the problem right there - compromise with the left just do not work. They are the proverbial camel-in-the-tent.
Give them nothing.
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at May 10, 2017 11:06 AM (oQQwD)
410
Our Civil War is unique in that the winning side pardoned the losing
combatants and they went on to help expand the United States. It truly
was like a family fight and subsequent reconciliation.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:49 AM (EV+4+)
My relatives who lived under Reconstruction didn't feel so pardoned. It is why that hated Yankees with a burning hatred well into the 20th century.
Our Civil War is unique in that the winning side pardoned the losing
combatants and they went on to help expand the United States. It truly
was like a family fight and subsequent reconciliation.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 10:49 AM (EV+4+)
My relatives who lived under Reconstruction didn't feel so pardoned. It is why that hated Yankees with a burning hatred well into the 20th century.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 11:06 AM (qf8IB)
411
In The Souls of the Brave by Ferguson, he crucifies Hooker for
incompetence and Chancellorsville by Sears who excuses Hooker on the
grounds that he suffered a concussion by cannonball and should have been
relieved. So take your pick.
I am reminded of Gov. Perry's poor debate performance when he was running for the nomination. Okay, sure, pain meds, but he should've had better judgment about running while on those meds, or dropped out (with a statement) after it had become clear.
(Granted, had he done that, I'd probably among the first for calling him a quitter who should've powered through it, but I'm a hypocrite and a terrible person. And once you're running, the default is "keep running," not "bow out because this is hard." Especially if you're the kind of person who makes it to that level.)
In all seriousness, did we ever get a timeline on his back injury(?), his prescription, and when he announced? It's not *technically* my business, but I was really pulling for him and he disappointed me, so I'm curious.
incompetence and Chancellorsville by Sears who excuses Hooker on the
grounds that he suffered a concussion by cannonball and should have been
relieved. So take your pick.
I am reminded of Gov. Perry's poor debate performance when he was running for the nomination. Okay, sure, pain meds, but he should've had better judgment about running while on those meds, or dropped out (with a statement) after it had become clear.
(Granted, had he done that, I'd probably among the first for calling him a quitter who should've powered through it, but I'm a hypocrite and a terrible person. And once you're running, the default is "keep running," not "bow out because this is hard." Especially if you're the kind of person who makes it to that level.)
In all seriousness, did we ever get a timeline on his back injury(?), his prescription, and when he announced? It's not *technically* my business, but I was really pulling for him and he disappointed me, so I'm curious.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 11:06 AM (jh6SF)
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Yeah. Texas is still getting fucked to this day by Reconstruction.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:01 AM (o+pgY)
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In fairness, though the insane constitution of the State of Texas is in large part a reaction to Reconstruction, it hardly seems fair to blame it on Reconstruction.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:01 AM (o+pgY)
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In fairness, though the insane constitution of the State of Texas is in large part a reaction to Reconstruction, it hardly seems fair to blame it on Reconstruction.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:06 AM (SsblQ)
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Without its history, New Orleans is little more than a humid, corrupt, crime-ridden cesspool
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Visiting is like taking a sauna in a crime-filled ditch - P.J. O'Rourke
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Visiting is like taking a sauna in a crime-filled ditch - P.J. O'Rourke
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2017 11:07 AM (OdK9v)
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Someone, anyone, explain to me:
1. American slave holding was so atrocious and abhorrent that anything to do with its history must be obliterated. America has not had slaves since 1863.
2. Saudi Arabia and other Islamic theocracies slave holding is legal and a common practice. But, that is their culture, so it's totes okay.
I will sit over here on my soap box and wait.
1. American slave holding was so atrocious and abhorrent that anything to do with its history must be obliterated. America has not had slaves since 1863.
2. Saudi Arabia and other Islamic theocracies slave holding is legal and a common practice. But, that is their culture, so it's totes okay.
I will sit over here on my soap box and wait.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at May 10, 2017 11:07 AM (kXoT0)
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https://tinyurl.com/k2wd6pt
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 10, 2017 11:07 AM (TwwWO)
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Without its history, New Orleans is little more than a humid, corrupt, crime-ridden cesspool
where chicks flash their bewbs for beads...
Posted by: Joe Hooker
1 877 Bewbs for beads
Without its history, New Orleans is little more than a humid, corrupt, crime-ridden cesspool
where chicks flash their bewbs for beads...
Posted by: Joe Hooker
1 877 Bewbs for beads
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 11:08 AM (IqV8l)
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3) sculptor's name was Keck, a common Americanization of Kek.
"Keck" is also a fun way to mispronounce "cake."
Mmm, cake. I like cake.
"Keck" is also a fun way to mispronounce "cake."
Mmm, cake. I like cake.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 11:08 AM (jh6SF)
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414 Someone, anyone, explain to me:
1. American slave holding was so atrocious and abhorrent that anything to do with its history must be obliterated. America has not had slaves since 1863.
2. Saudi Arabia and other Islamic theocracies slave holding is legal and a common practice. But, that is their culture, so it's totes okay.
I will sit over here on my soap box and wait.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at May 10, 2017 11:07 AM (kXoT0)
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Anything that undermines Christianity and the West is good.
Anything that does not undermine Christianity and the West is bad.
The Enlightenment is Public Enemy #1.
1. American slave holding was so atrocious and abhorrent that anything to do with its history must be obliterated. America has not had slaves since 1863.
2. Saudi Arabia and other Islamic theocracies slave holding is legal and a common practice. But, that is their culture, so it's totes okay.
I will sit over here on my soap box and wait.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at May 10, 2017 11:07 AM (kXoT0)
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Anything that undermines Christianity and the West is good.
Anything that does not undermine Christianity and the West is bad.
The Enlightenment is Public Enemy #1.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (mC1ZI)
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I guess they'll insist on blasting the face of Stone Mountain next.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 09:40 AM (PY9jH)
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Isn't this EXACTLY what the Taliban does when they get control of an area, or a country? They destroy all evidence of any link to the past of that area.
I guess they'll insist on blasting the face of Stone Mountain next.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 09:40 AM (PY9jH)
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Isn't this EXACTLY what the Taliban does when they get control of an area, or a country? They destroy all evidence of any link to the past of that area.
Posted by: Boots at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (EBwPV)
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Unless Confederate cavalry had won their battle and had THEN covered the ground between there and the flank of Cemetery hill, there was little chance for it.
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why didn't the rest of the confederate army join in? Hey Pickett...go attack 60,000 troops. we'll cheer you on!
he needed to take the position and cause some kind of panic retreat.
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why didn't the rest of the confederate army join in? Hey Pickett...go attack 60,000 troops. we'll cheer you on!
he needed to take the position and cause some kind of panic retreat.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (oGRue)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (TwwWO)
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Catherine Herridge was babbling about Russia's "influence on our elections" yesterday on FOX.
Then tried to act as if she had some special information from "sources" that made her privy to things us commoners just could not understand.
She is an elitist wannabe, just like all the rest.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:46 AM (C52a9)
I don't get the hate for Herridge. She tries to report as straight facts as much as possible, including when she is being badgered by hosts who are asking inane questions about what she "thinks".
Who cares what she "thinks" . I simply want to know what she has been told or what the facts are.
Herridge is a decent reporter, IMO. Made even more credible by the fact that she doesn't wear a pound of stripper makeup , and have her boobs pushed into her face in a v neck top and playboy hair extensions like a few other reporterettes at Fox.
Then tried to act as if she had some special information from "sources" that made her privy to things us commoners just could not understand.
She is an elitist wannabe, just like all the rest.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 10:46 AM (C52a9)
I don't get the hate for Herridge. She tries to report as straight facts as much as possible, including when she is being badgered by hosts who are asking inane questions about what she "thinks".
Who cares what she "thinks" . I simply want to know what she has been told or what the facts are.
Herridge is a decent reporter, IMO. Made even more credible by the fact that she doesn't wear a pound of stripper makeup , and have her boobs pushed into her face in a v neck top and playboy hair extensions like a few other reporterettes at Fox.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (bJ+bK)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (i/+aM)
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elements of the assault made it to the crest and there was intense hand to hand fighting in the Union positions.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:37 AM (8XRCm)
As much as I despise the University of Mississippi it is notable that the unit made up of their student body, the University Greys, was virtually wiped out in Pickett's Charge.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 10, 2017 10:37 AM (8XRCm)
As much as I despise the University of Mississippi it is notable that the unit made up of their student body, the University Greys, was virtually wiped out in Pickett's Charge.
Posted by: Country Singer at May 10, 2017 11:10 AM (uiwCw)
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Why does every president fall under the spell of Foggy Bottom and get involved with the "peace process" bullshit?The Palestinians want peace all right,the peace of the grave for Israel.Move the embassy to Jerusalem President Trump!
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 11:11 AM (r/0kC)
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In fairness, though the insane constitution of the State of Texas is in large part a reaction to Reconstruction, it hardly seems fair to blame it on Reconstruction.
Posted by: RioBravo
If it's a REACTION to Reconstruction, what else is there to blame it on?
It's that way BECAUSE of Reconstruction. Without Reconstruction continuing, the "insanity" would have ceased.
Try redoing voting districts WITHOUT federal intervention. THAT is a direct result of Reconstruction.
Posted by: RioBravo
If it's a REACTION to Reconstruction, what else is there to blame it on?
It's that way BECAUSE of Reconstruction. Without Reconstruction continuing, the "insanity" would have ceased.
Try redoing voting districts WITHOUT federal intervention. THAT is a direct result of Reconstruction.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:12 AM (o+pgY)
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>>422
Catherine Herridge was babbling about Russia's "influence on our elections" yesterday on FOX. Posted by: Jen the original at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (bJ+bK)
If Team Trump has a sense of humor, they'll have a 2020 re-election campaign ad done completely in Russian, with English subtitles. Or not.
Catherine Herridge was babbling about Russia's "influence on our elections" yesterday on FOX. Posted by: Jen the original at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (bJ+bK)
If Team Trump has a sense of humor, they'll have a 2020 re-election campaign ad done completely in Russian, with English subtitles. Or not.
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 11:12 AM (Bdeb0)
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The left might succeed in covering up history (among other things), but they won't be prepared for the backlash. Seriously, do they think everyone will just forget the Civil War ever happened? I'd love to see someone try to ban Ken Burns's excellent documentary; he's a fellow lefty. Would they cut out all the parts about the Confederate generals?
One of my favorite parts of that is Shelby Foote describing Stonewall. "He was a true eccentric..."
One of my favorite parts of that is Shelby Foote describing Stonewall. "He was a true eccentric..."
Posted by: iwuzhere at May 10, 2017 11:12 AM (jiGGU)
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425 Why does every president fall under the spell of Foggy Bottom and get involved with the "peace process" bullshit?The Palestinians want peace all right,the peace of the grave for Israel.Move the embassy to Jerusalem President Trump!
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 11:11 AM (r/0kC)
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Oh...just think of the legacy...
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 11:11 AM (r/0kC)
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Oh...just think of the legacy...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:12 AM (mC1ZI)
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Does anyone know what a DAR A# means in geneology databases?
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Not sure what the A# is, but DAR is always Daughters of the American Revolution. I searched it in vain.
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Not sure what the A# is, but DAR is always Daughters of the American Revolution. I searched it in vain.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 11:13 AM (vg8iE)
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Herridge is a decent reporter, IMO. Made even more credible by the fact that she doesn't wear a pound of stripper makeup , and have her boobs pushed into her face in a v neck top and playboy hair extensions like a few other reporterettes at Fox.
Posted by: Jen the original
you say that like it's a bad thing
Posted by: Jen the original
you say that like it's a bad thing
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 11:13 AM (FZYNt)
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430 Does anyone know what a DAR A# means in geneology databases?
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Not sure what the A# is, but DAR is always Daughters of the American Revolution. I searched it in vain.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 11:13 AM (vg8iE)
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It's also the Daily Afternoon Randomness at The Chive.
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Not sure what the A# is, but DAR is always Daughters of the American Revolution. I searched it in vain.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 11:13 AM (vg8iE)
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It's also the Daily Afternoon Randomness at The Chive.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:13 AM (mC1ZI)
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 10, 2017 11:13 AM (TwwWO)
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Why does every president fall under the spell of Foggy Bottom and get involved with the "peace process" bullshit?
We've gotta protect our phoney baloney jobs, gentlemen!
Why does every president fall under the spell of Foggy Bottom and get involved with the "peace process" bullshit?
We've gotta protect our phoney baloney jobs, gentlemen!
Posted by: Foggy Bottom breakdown at May 10, 2017 11:14 AM (IqV8l)
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If it's a REACTION to Reconstruction, what else is there to blame it on?
It's that way BECAUSE of Reconstruction. Without Reconstruction continuing, the "insanity" would have ceased.
Try redoing voting districts WITHOUT federal intervention. THAT is a direct result of Reconstruction.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:12 AM (o+pgY)
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The Reconstruction government did not impose it on Texas, the restoration government did. That is why.
Voting district intervention is a result of the 1960's civil rights laws, not Reconstruction.
It's that way BECAUSE of Reconstruction. Without Reconstruction continuing, the "insanity" would have ceased.
Try redoing voting districts WITHOUT federal intervention. THAT is a direct result of Reconstruction.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:12 AM (o+pgY)
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The Reconstruction government did not impose it on Texas, the restoration government did. That is why.
Voting district intervention is a result of the 1960's civil rights laws, not Reconstruction.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:14 AM (SsblQ)
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John McCain does these terrible things with his votes because he is a batshit crazy old bag of guilt, greed, and gutlessness driven by an enormous ego and a mania to be relevant and have the press fawning all over him. He aslo suffers from one of the worst cases of short man syndrome on the planet.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at May 10, 2017 11:14 AM (kXoT0)
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Why does every president fall under the spell of Foggy Bottom and get
involved with the "peace process" bullshit?The Palestinians want peace
all right,the peace of the grave for Israel.Move the embassy to
Jerusalem President Trump!
No kidding, especially since we keep hearing that Trump and Netanyahu have been friends for a long time. I'm hoping it's a rope-a-dope, giving the Palestinians One Last Chance (without telegraphing it) before bringing the hammer down.
But there's precious little data to form solid conclusions.
involved with the "peace process" bullshit?The Palestinians want peace
all right,the peace of the grave for Israel.Move the embassy to
Jerusalem President Trump!
No kidding, especially since we keep hearing that Trump and Netanyahu have been friends for a long time. I'm hoping it's a rope-a-dope, giving the Palestinians One Last Chance (without telegraphing it) before bringing the hammer down.
But there's precious little data to form solid conclusions.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 11:14 AM (jh6SF)
438
As an Alabama native, I can assure you that it's called The War of Northern Aggression.
Posted by: spoonfeed me at May 10, 2017 11:14 AM (bcDxW)
439
"Catherine Herridge was babbling about Russia's "influence on our elections" yesterday on FOX. Posted by: Jen the original at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (bJ+bK)"
I'm still waiting for one of these ass-hats to define "Influence on our elections".
Cause if influence can be something as simple as uttering support for a particular candidate, Obama did exactly that.
I'm still waiting for one of these ass-hats to define "Influence on our elections".
Cause if influence can be something as simple as uttering support for a particular candidate, Obama did exactly that.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:14 AM (i/+aM)
440
If Comey had actually done his job Obama would have fired him long ago. Probably well before the election season even.
Posted by: geoffb5 at May 10, 2017 11:14 AM (d3wbb)
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My relatives who lived under Reconstruction didn't feel so pardoned. It is why that hated Yankees with a burning hatred well into the 20th century.
Posted by: redbanzai
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Same here. Actually, it continues.
As a rule, those of northern heritage have no grasp of the sufferings under 'Reconstruction' and cannot relate in any fashion.
The resentment that has long festered is not a consequence of the war, but of the post-war 'occupation'.
Posted by: redbanzai
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Same here. Actually, it continues.
As a rule, those of northern heritage have no grasp of the sufferings under 'Reconstruction' and cannot relate in any fashion.
The resentment that has long festered is not a consequence of the war, but of the post-war 'occupation'.
Posted by: Anon at May 10, 2017 11:15 AM (QEUq0)
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It's also the Daily Afternoon Randomness at The Chive.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
you mean The "We won't say anything bad about Obama cause we aren't political, but Fvck Trump" Chive?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
you mean The "We won't say anything bad about Obama cause we aren't political, but Fvck Trump" Chive?
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 11:15 AM (FZYNt)
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More proof that it was McCains' big FU to Trump. They had Pence at the capital ready to break the tie. McCain flipped at last minute most likely because of the Comey firing.
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 10:56 AM (hdpay)
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This is his last term, right?
I mean...he's not running in 2024, right?
There's an end in sight?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:57 AM (mC1ZI)
I posted on the thread below that Miss Lindsey was on CNN this morning being interviewed by Allysyn. She told him that his friend, John McCain was calling for a special prosecutor.
First, Graham corrected her in that the FBI was conducting counter intelligence and you don't appoint special prosecutors for that. But that if the investigation progressed to where there might be criminal charges, that is where a special prosecutor would be warranted, although he had seen no evidence of criminal wrongdoing. And he had seen no evidence that Trump and/or campaign had colluded with the Russians, but he doesn't know. They will get to the bottom of this. And he agrees with his friend John "who he loves"(yes he said that) that John calling for a special committee made up of all five committees investigating the Russian hacking would be more efficient and could share information.
How would that work, Lindsey? Isn't the Senate Intelligence committee the only one with security clearance to look at classified info?
Posted by: WisRich at May 10, 2017 10:56 AM (hdpay)
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This is his last term, right?
I mean...he's not running in 2024, right?
There's an end in sight?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 10:57 AM (mC1ZI)
I posted on the thread below that Miss Lindsey was on CNN this morning being interviewed by Allysyn. She told him that his friend, John McCain was calling for a special prosecutor.
First, Graham corrected her in that the FBI was conducting counter intelligence and you don't appoint special prosecutors for that. But that if the investigation progressed to where there might be criminal charges, that is where a special prosecutor would be warranted, although he had seen no evidence of criminal wrongdoing. And he had seen no evidence that Trump and/or campaign had colluded with the Russians, but he doesn't know. They will get to the bottom of this. And he agrees with his friend John "who he loves"(yes he said that) that John calling for a special committee made up of all five committees investigating the Russian hacking would be more efficient and could share information.
How would that work, Lindsey? Isn't the Senate Intelligence committee the only one with security clearance to look at classified info?
Posted by: Jen the original at May 10, 2017 11:16 AM (bJ+bK)
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Wasn't the methane thing an EO? So can Trump just EO it away?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 10, 2017 10:33 AM (72PAC)
No, it was a regulation. It can be repealed through a process by the EPA publishing a new draft regulation that removes it,m then there's a period of notice and comment, then there's litigation. The Congressional Review Act gives Congress the right to repeal regulations within 60 days of when Congress is notified of the final regulation. That is what McCain and his sidekick failed to vote for, so the regulation stands and has to be repealed the hard way.
Wasn't the methane thing an EO? So can Trump just EO it away?
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 10, 2017 10:33 AM (72PAC)
No, it was a regulation. It can be repealed through a process by the EPA publishing a new draft regulation that removes it,m then there's a period of notice and comment, then there's litigation. The Congressional Review Act gives Congress the right to repeal regulations within 60 days of when Congress is notified of the final regulation. That is what McCain and his sidekick failed to vote for, so the regulation stands and has to be repealed the hard way.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 10, 2017 11:16 AM (jK8Z7)
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439 "Catherine Herridge was babbling about Russia's "influence on our elections" yesterday on FOX. Posted by: Jen the original at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (bJ+bK)"
I'm still waiting for one of these ass-hats to define "Influence on our elections".
Cause if influence can be something as simple as uttering support for a particular candidate, Obama did exactly that.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:14 AM (i/+aM)
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Maybe we should cut off all communication with the outside world from the party conventions to election day, so that no outside government can release any information that would influence a single vote.
Punishable by death.
I'm still waiting for one of these ass-hats to define "Influence on our elections".
Cause if influence can be something as simple as uttering support for a particular candidate, Obama did exactly that.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:14 AM (i/+aM)
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Maybe we should cut off all communication with the outside world from the party conventions to election day, so that no outside government can release any information that would influence a single vote.
Punishable by death.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:16 AM (mC1ZI)
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Why does every president fall under the spell of Foggy Bottom and get involved with the "peace process" bullshit?The Palestinians want peace all right,the peace of the grave for Israel.Move the embassy to Jerusalem President Trump!
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 11:11 AM (r/0kC)
A most excellent question.
If the State Department was abolished (alongside Education and... eh, something else) the country would be better for it. The country in the past 100 years would have been better without our State Department mucking around doing things 180 degrees wrong much of the time.
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 11:11 AM (r/0kC)
A most excellent question.
If the State Department was abolished (alongside Education and... eh, something else) the country would be better for it. The country in the past 100 years would have been better without our State Department mucking around doing things 180 degrees wrong much of the time.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 11:16 AM (TOk1P)
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I guess they'll insist on blasting the face of Stone Mountain next.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 09:40 AM (PY9jH)
They have been after Stone Mountain since I was there in the mid 90s working on an IT project. I would like to think they won't get it, but, sigh....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 09:40 AM (PY9jH)
They have been after Stone Mountain since I was there in the mid 90s working on an IT project. I would like to think they won't get it, but, sigh....
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at May 10, 2017 11:17 AM (kXoT0)
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Herridge is a decent reporter, IMO. Made even more credible by the fact that she doesn't wear a pound of stripper makeup , and have her boobs pushed into her face in a v neck top and playboy hair extensions like a few other reporterettes at Fox.
Posted by: Jen the original
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i think that they tried to push her that way once. search on 'Herridge Slit Skirt' to see how she put an end to that.
Posted by: Jen the original
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i think that they tried to push her that way once. search on 'Herridge Slit Skirt' to see how she put an end to that.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 11:17 AM (oGRue)
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My relatives who lived under Reconstruction didn't feel so pardoned. It is why that hated Yankees with a burning hatred well into the 20th century.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 11:06 AM (qf8IB)
Another perspective:
My dad's side of the family: dirt poor sharecroppers. In the South since the early 1700s. Fought for the CSA. Did not own slaves. Pretty ambivalent about race, likely because they worked alongside blacks in the fields.
My mom's side: Carpetbagged to Mississippi in 1866-7 from Indiana. Became corrupt local politicians and members of the Klan. Still Democrats to this day.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 11:06 AM (qf8IB)
Another perspective:
My dad's side of the family: dirt poor sharecroppers. In the South since the early 1700s. Fought for the CSA. Did not own slaves. Pretty ambivalent about race, likely because they worked alongside blacks in the fields.
My mom's side: Carpetbagged to Mississippi in 1866-7 from Indiana. Became corrupt local politicians and members of the Klan. Still Democrats to this day.
Posted by: Country Singer at May 10, 2017 11:17 AM (uiwCw)
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One of my favorite Shelby Foote stories is his recounting of his meeting with the granddaughter of Nathan Bedford Forrest. He told her that he thought the war produced two great men, Abraham Lincoln and her grandfather. You know, she said, my family never thought much of Mr Lincoln.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 10, 2017 11:17 AM (kTF2Z)
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442 It's also the Daily Afternoon Randomness at The Chive.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
you mean The "We won't say anything bad about Obama cause we aren't political, but Fvck Trump" Chive?
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 11:15 AM (FZYNt)
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Never got that vibe from them.
I see more negative memes of Hillary than Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
you mean The "We won't say anything bad about Obama cause we aren't political, but Fvck Trump" Chive?
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 11:15 AM (FZYNt)
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Never got that vibe from them.
I see more negative memes of Hillary than Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:17 AM (mC1ZI)
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"Catherine Herridge: Comey Was Fired Because He Refused to Reveal Obama Unmaskers"
#1 Rosenstein may have taken office 2 weeks ago with a hard-on for Comey.
#2 Trump got even more pissed at Comey because of his testimony last week.
#3 Comey has been impeding the investigation of the leakers, which ties to the Obamans unmasking.
All three could be true. Any one would have been enough to get Comey fired.
Trump's end game may be to have Rosenstein appoint a special prosecutor to look into "everything." Key is who gets picked and their mandate. Could be advantages in running a silo-ed investigation away from the compromised DOJ and FBI.
Schumer and McCain demanded a special prosecutor, they got it. Heh
#1 Rosenstein may have taken office 2 weeks ago with a hard-on for Comey.
#2 Trump got even more pissed at Comey because of his testimony last week.
#3 Comey has been impeding the investigation of the leakers, which ties to the Obamans unmasking.
All three could be true. Any one would have been enough to get Comey fired.
Trump's end game may be to have Rosenstein appoint a special prosecutor to look into "everything." Key is who gets picked and their mandate. Could be advantages in running a silo-ed investigation away from the compromised DOJ and FBI.
Schumer and McCain demanded a special prosecutor, they got it. Heh
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2017 11:17 AM (SIY7D)
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394 OT: I think the Microsoft Build conference is about to go big time lefty political.
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Color me "shocked."
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Color me "shocked."
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 11:18 AM (vg8iE)
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"I don't see why the left is so up in arms about slavery back then. Are
they upset that one person could view another person as property? And
sell them as they wished? That they viewed a certain segment of the
population as not fully human, and so they could do with them whatever
they wanted? Even dispose of them, abuse them, harm them?
I give you abortion."
Gotta wonder if, 150 or 200 years from now, there will be a crusade to purge the country of all monuments, memorials and honors to public figures who advocated abortion....
they upset that one person could view another person as property? And
sell them as they wished? That they viewed a certain segment of the
population as not fully human, and so they could do with them whatever
they wanted? Even dispose of them, abuse them, harm them?
I give you abortion."
Gotta wonder if, 150 or 200 years from now, there will be a crusade to purge the country of all monuments, memorials and honors to public figures who advocated abortion....
Posted by: Secret Square at May 10, 2017 11:18 AM (+HoK2)
455
A Greek hero was someone who did mighty feats, even if those feats were murderous or otherwise bad.
I thought a Greek gyro was minced lamb on a spit served on a pita with a dill yogurt sauce and some veggies.
I thought a Greek gyro was minced lamb on a spit served on a pita with a dill yogurt sauce and some veggies.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 10, 2017 11:18 AM (gIRsn)
456
Nuke it from space.
Posted by: Nikki Haley at May 10, 2017 11:18 AM (6LwXe)
457
As an Alabama native, I can assure you that it's called The War of Northern Aggression.
Posted by: spoonfeed me
Thaaat's raiight!! Don't pay ANY attention to lil ole me!
Posted by: spoonfeed me
Thaaat's raiight!! Don't pay ANY attention to lil ole me!
Posted by: Southern fried clown with a lanyard in his hands at May 10, 2017 11:18 AM (326rv)
458
As an Alabama native, I can assure you that it's called The War of Northern Aggression.
Posted by: spoonfeed me at May 10, 2017 11:14 AM (bcDxW)
Or, if one is genteel, "The Late Unpleasantness".
Posted by: spoonfeed me at May 10, 2017 11:14 AM (bcDxW)
Or, if one is genteel, "The Late Unpleasantness".
Posted by: Country Singer at May 10, 2017 11:18 AM (uiwCw)
459
She tries to report as straight facts as much as possible, including
when she is being badgered by hosts who are asking inane questions about
what she "thinks".
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What facts support her awful "grayzone" metaphor and her insistence on "Russia Russia Russia" ?
Anyone who concurs with Schumer and company's Russia crapfest with no facts whatsoever needs to be reevaluated as an "unbiased reporter". She ain't special. And I don't care what she wears.
She is like Jake Tapper used to be. Attempts to play it straight, but sooner or later they all get sucked into parroting the Beast.
I would much rather have her hosting teh Five than Donut Perino if that helps.
when she is being badgered by hosts who are asking inane questions about
what she "thinks".
===
What facts support her awful "grayzone" metaphor and her insistence on "Russia Russia Russia" ?
Anyone who concurs with Schumer and company's Russia crapfest with no facts whatsoever needs to be reevaluated as an "unbiased reporter". She ain't special. And I don't care what she wears.
She is like Jake Tapper used to be. Attempts to play it straight, but sooner or later they all get sucked into parroting the Beast.
I would much rather have her hosting teh Five than Donut Perino if that helps.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 11:19 AM (C52a9)
460
Never got that vibe from them.
I see more negative memes of Hillary than Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
remember seeing a "Fat Face" Trump string after the election. Was my last time there.
I see more negative memes of Hillary than Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
remember seeing a "Fat Face" Trump string after the election. Was my last time there.
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 11:19 AM (FZYNt)
461
Oh...man. I love a good authentic Greek Gyro.
Oh...man. I love a good authentic Greek Gyro.
Posted by: fixeruper at May 10, 2017 11:19 AM (8XRCm)
462
I'm still waiting for one of these ass-hats to define "Influence on our elections".
Heard some Democrat on the radio yesterday saying the Russians had been trying to "influence" our elections since the 1960's. Odd that the Dems waited until 2017 to mention it.
I'm still waiting for one of these ass-hats to define "Influence on our elections".
Heard some Democrat on the radio yesterday saying the Russians had been trying to "influence" our elections since the 1960's. Odd that the Dems waited until 2017 to mention it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 11:19 AM (IqV8l)
463
"Maybe we should cut off all communication with the outside world from the party conventions to election day, so that no outside government can release any information that would influence a single vote.
Punishable by death."
Only way to have twory fair erections
Punishable by death."
Only way to have twory fair erections
Posted by: Lil' Kim, President for rife at May 10, 2017 11:19 AM (i/+aM)
464
The comments about the South and their statuary to defeated leaders, and soldiers, of the Lost Cause are interesting.
It is uncommon, I believe, for a losing people to so celebrate and lionize their so much, and for so long, and so publicly.
And, probably most importantly, to be allowed to do so, for so long, by the Victors.
It is uncommon, I believe, for a losing people to so celebrate and lionize their so much, and for so long, and so publicly.
And, probably most importantly, to be allowed to do so, for so long, by the Victors.
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 11:19 AM (zSVEm)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 11:20 AM (IqV8l)
466
My relatives who lived under Reconstruction didn't
feel so pardoned. It is why that hated Yankees with a burning hatred
well into the 20th century.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 11:06 AM (qf8IB)
Times a 1000
feel so pardoned. It is why that hated Yankees with a burning hatred
well into the 20th century.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 11:06 AM (qf8IB)
Times a 1000
Posted by: MAC-SOG at May 10, 2017 11:20 AM (QPdNE)
467
The resentment that has long festered is not a consequence of the war, but of the post-war 'occupation'.
I blame John Wilkes Booth. I have to assume that Lincoln meant the "better angels of our nature" and "malice towards none" stuff.
Really, when has assassinating a sitting leader actually made things better? I guess during an actual war, but I don't think there are a lot of examples.
Maybe I need more caffeine and someone will point out some obvious examples.
I blame John Wilkes Booth. I have to assume that Lincoln meant the "better angels of our nature" and "malice towards none" stuff.
Really, when has assassinating a sitting leader actually made things better? I guess during an actual war, but I don't think there are a lot of examples.
Maybe I need more caffeine and someone will point out some obvious examples.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 11:20 AM (jh6SF)
468
450 One of my favorite Shelby Foote stories is his recounting of his meeting with the granddaughter of Nathan Bedford Forrest. He told her that he thought the war produced two great men, Abraham Lincoln and her grandfather. You know, she said, my family never thought much of Mr Lincoln.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 10, 2017 11:17 AM (kTF2Z)
What an absolutely lovely way to insult someone. A true belle.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 10, 2017 11:17 AM (kTF2Z)
What an absolutely lovely way to insult someone. A true belle.
Posted by: moki at May 10, 2017 11:20 AM (V+V48)
469
Same here. Actually, it continues.
As a rule, those of northern heritage have no grasp of the sufferings under 'Reconstruction' and cannot relate in any fashion.
The resentment that has long festered is not a consequence of the war, but of the post-war 'occupation'.
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descendants of slaves probably have a similar perspective. But there has to be a statute of limitations after a few generations.
As a rule, those of northern heritage have no grasp of the sufferings under 'Reconstruction' and cannot relate in any fashion.
The resentment that has long festered is not a consequence of the war, but of the post-war 'occupation'.
---
descendants of slaves probably have a similar perspective. But there has to be a statute of limitations after a few generations.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 11:20 AM (oGRue)
470
460 Never got that vibe from them.
I see more negative memes of Hillary than Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
remember seeing a "Fat Face" Trump string after the election. Was my last time there.
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 11:19 AM (FZYNt)
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Meh...
They're pretty much apolitical. In fact, whenever they do do something that touches on politics (a thread that revolves around a politician), I see them starting the whole thing with pleas about "We're so not going political, but this aspect of this story is funny."
They also did a feature with Rick Perry before the Republican primary about some stuff he was doing for vets.
I see more negative memes of Hillary than Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
remember seeing a "Fat Face" Trump string after the election. Was my last time there.
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 11:19 AM (FZYNt)
===============
Meh...
They're pretty much apolitical. In fact, whenever they do do something that touches on politics (a thread that revolves around a politician), I see them starting the whole thing with pleas about "We're so not going political, but this aspect of this story is funny."
They also did a feature with Rick Perry before the Republican primary about some stuff he was doing for vets.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:21 AM (mC1ZI)
471
I was walking up to the voting booth when suddenly, from out of nowhere, a Russian influenced my vote.
It was terrifying.
It was terrifying.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 11:21 AM (C52a9)
472
Gotta wonder if, 150 or 200 years from now, there will be a crusade to purge the country of all monuments, memorials and honors to public figures who advocated abortion....
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I doubt the Muslims of Mexican descent living in the former United States of America will even care.
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I doubt the Muslims of Mexican descent living in the former United States of America will even care.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 11:21 AM (vg8iE)
473
"Someone, anyone, explain to me: "
So...what's the question?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (i/+aM)
The question? The question is, "what the f'ing hell, man?"
That's the question.
So...what's the question?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (i/+aM)
The question? The question is, "what the f'ing hell, man?"
That's the question.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 11:21 AM (TOk1P)
474
471 I was walking up to the voting booth when suddenly, from out of nowhere, a Russian influenced my vote.
It was terrifying.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her!
Did he have a bottle of vodka and a funnel?
It was terrifying.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her!
Did he have a bottle of vodka and a funnel?
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 11:22 AM (FZYNt)
475
194 In many ways the Civil War was one of the dress rehearsals for the war that would engulf Europe fifty years later. Some nations paid attention. Too many didn't.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:09 AM (9krrF)
The "The Great War" channel on Youtube addressed this. Short answer: by the early 20th century the European brass thought the military lessons of the American Civil War were no longer applicable due to tech advances allowing for longer distance combat. As it turns out, those lessons were even more applicable. It took them years to relearn them.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 10:09 AM (9krrF)
The "The Great War" channel on Youtube addressed this. Short answer: by the early 20th century the European brass thought the military lessons of the American Civil War were no longer applicable due to tech advances allowing for longer distance combat. As it turns out, those lessons were even more applicable. It took them years to relearn them.
Posted by: Jackal at May 10, 2017 11:22 AM (/EzgU)
476
The comments about the South and their statuary to defeated leaders, and soldiers, of the Lost Cause are interesting.
It is uncommon, I believe, for a losing people to so celebrate and lionize their so much, and for so long, and so publicly.
And, probably most importantly, to be allowed to do so, for so long, by the Victors.
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 11:19 AM (zSVEm)
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Interesting that the US Capitol's Statuary Hall Collection (to display two statues donated by each of the states - 99 at present I think) includes about a half dozen Confederate military or civil officers including Robert E. Lee.
It is uncommon, I believe, for a losing people to so celebrate and lionize their so much, and for so long, and so publicly.
And, probably most importantly, to be allowed to do so, for so long, by the Victors.
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 11:19 AM (zSVEm)
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Interesting that the US Capitol's Statuary Hall Collection (to display two statues donated by each of the states - 99 at present I think) includes about a half dozen Confederate military or civil officers including Robert E. Lee.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:23 AM (SsblQ)
477
1. American slave holding was so atrocious and abhorrent that anything to do with its history must be obliterated. America has not had slaves since 1863.
2. Saudi Arabia and other Islamic theocracies slave holding is legal and a common practice. But, that is their culture, so it's totes okay.
I will sit over here on my soap box and wait.
---
1. "White Guilt" Landowners, aka "Republicans" had slaves, and if YOU vote Republican, you are no better than a slave owner! You MUST vote Democrat!
2. Slave holding in Islam? That can't be true. And if it is true, which it is not assuredly not, their idea of "slave" is different than our idea of "slave" because of the differences in culture. So American slave- bad, Islamic slave= totes cool, beautiful unique culture, etc.
/I was channeling the Left on #2
1. American slave holding was so atrocious and abhorrent that anything to do with its history must be obliterated. America has not had slaves since 1863.
2. Saudi Arabia and other Islamic theocracies slave holding is legal and a common practice. But, that is their culture, so it's totes okay.
I will sit over here on my soap box and wait.
---
1. "White Guilt" Landowners, aka "Republicans" had slaves, and if YOU vote Republican, you are no better than a slave owner! You MUST vote Democrat!
2. Slave holding in Islam? That can't be true. And if it is true, which it is not assuredly not, their idea of "slave" is different than our idea of "slave" because of the differences in culture. So American slave- bad, Islamic slave= totes cool, beautiful unique culture, etc.
/I was channeling the Left on #2
Posted by: shibumi at May 10, 2017 11:23 AM (8zWAk)
478
Really, when has assassinating a sitting leader actually made things better?
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We came, we saw, he died! hic! shart
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We came, we saw, he died! hic! shart
Posted by: Hillary! at May 10, 2017 11:23 AM (vg8iE)
479
One of my favorite Shelby Foote stories is his recounting of his meeting with the granddaughter of Nathan Bedford Forrest. He told her that he thought the war produced two great men, Abraham Lincoln and her grandfather. You know, she said, my family never thought much of Mr Lincoln.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
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As a historical aside, first U.S General killed in WWII:
"Nathan Bedford Forrest III (April 7, 1905 – June 13, 1943) was a brigadier general of the United States Army Air Forces, and a great-grandson of Confederategenera lNathan Bedford Forrest. He was killed in action in Germany during World War II."
Posted by: Duke Lowell
------------
As a historical aside, first U.S General killed in WWII:
"Nathan Bedford Forrest III (April 7, 1905 – June 13, 1943) was a brigadier general of the United States Army Air Forces, and a great-grandson of Confederategenera lNathan Bedford Forrest. He was killed in action in Germany during World War II."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2017 11:23 AM (OdK9v)
480
"Miss Lindsey was on CNN this morning being interviewed by Allysyn"
Graham was on Morning Joe, which was in is Full Froth Mode. Graham gave a reasoned analysis of the Comey firing and was generally supportive of Trump. Joe & Co didn't expect this. It was like a grown-up had walked into the room.
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
Graham was on Morning Joe, which was in is Full Froth Mode. Graham gave a reasoned analysis of the Comey firing and was generally supportive of Trump. Joe & Co didn't expect this. It was like a grown-up had walked into the room.
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2017 11:23 AM (SIY7D)
481
Same here. Actually, it continues.
As a rule, those of northern heritage have no grasp of the sufferings under 'Reconstruction' and cannot relate in any fashion.
The resentment that has long festered is not a consequence of the war, but of the post-war 'occupation'.
Posted by: Anon
It does beg the question, what else was the North to do after the war?
I could say, be glad that the US government didn't do to the South what Britain repeatedly did to Ireland.
And to note that former Confederate leaders not only got full rights, but were able to hold office? And all the while the newly won rights of blacks were squeezed out of existence?
You say that the North doesn't realize "what the South went through". Actually, yes, many do. And what the South went through, and what they DID, was noted.
As a rule, those of northern heritage have no grasp of the sufferings under 'Reconstruction' and cannot relate in any fashion.
The resentment that has long festered is not a consequence of the war, but of the post-war 'occupation'.
Posted by: Anon
It does beg the question, what else was the North to do after the war?
I could say, be glad that the US government didn't do to the South what Britain repeatedly did to Ireland.
And to note that former Confederate leaders not only got full rights, but were able to hold office? And all the while the newly won rights of blacks were squeezed out of existence?
You say that the North doesn't realize "what the South went through". Actually, yes, many do. And what the South went through, and what they DID, was noted.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:24 AM (326rv)
482
>>>
"Someone, anyone, explain to me: "
So...what's the question?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (i/+aM)
The question? The question is, "what the f'ing hell, man?"
That's the question.
.
.
.The question is......does this rug tie the room together?
"Someone, anyone, explain to me: "
So...what's the question?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (i/+aM)
The question? The question is, "what the f'ing hell, man?"
That's the question.
.
.
.The question is......does this rug tie the room together?
Posted by: The Dude at May 10, 2017 11:24 AM (le7jz)
483
I thought a Greek gyro was minced lamb on a spit served on a pita with a dill yogurt sauce and some veggies.
It can be two things. You've never heard of a hero sandwich?
It can be two things. You've never heard of a hero sandwich?
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 11:24 AM (jh6SF)
484
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
I have to concur, reluctantly.
But he's still a Republican Shit.
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
I have to concur, reluctantly.
But he's still a Republican Shit.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 10, 2017 11:24 AM (cjXKD)
485
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
Posted by: Ignoramus
but then there is the buttsex.....
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
Posted by: Ignoramus
but then there is the buttsex.....
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 11:24 AM (FZYNt)
486
"Someone, anyone, explain to me: "
So...what's the question?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (i/+aM)
See my post at 414, in which I want to know why Islamic slave holding TODAY is totes OK...
So...what's the question?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (i/+aM)
See my post at 414, in which I want to know why Islamic slave holding TODAY is totes OK...
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at May 10, 2017 11:25 AM (kXoT0)
487
There's the problem right there - compromise with the left just do not work. They are the proverbial camel-in-the-tent.
Give them nothing.
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at May 10, 2017 11:06 AM (oQQwD)Q
This. Continue to diminish the Liberals hold at every point. I heard Jeff Flake yesterday on local talk show. he said he wasnt for eliminating the filibuster because " then when the Democrats are in power..." what the f*ck is that kind of thinking? WE won. Will eliminating the filibuster make it easier to push our policies? That is the question. Now we should do EVERYTHING we can to impliment our policies and solidify position and power. What is wrong with these people? Who thinks like that? Does a winner think like that?? It makes me crazy!
Give them nothing.
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at May 10, 2017 11:06 AM (oQQwD)Q
This. Continue to diminish the Liberals hold at every point. I heard Jeff Flake yesterday on local talk show. he said he wasnt for eliminating the filibuster because " then when the Democrats are in power..." what the f*ck is that kind of thinking? WE won. Will eliminating the filibuster make it easier to push our policies? That is the question. Now we should do EVERYTHING we can to impliment our policies and solidify position and power. What is wrong with these people? Who thinks like that? Does a winner think like that?? It makes me crazy!
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:25 AM (C/Ocx)
488
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
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The page must have delivered more than his coffee this morning.
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The page must have delivered more than his coffee this morning.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 11:25 AM (vg8iE)
489
What an absolutely lovely way to insult someone. A true belle.
Posted by: moki at May 10, 2017 11:20 AM (V+V4
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"Well, Bless his heart!"
Posted by: moki at May 10, 2017 11:20 AM (V+V4
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"Well, Bless his heart!"
Posted by: Uber Lyft Driver at May 10, 2017 11:26 AM (HTKQp)
490
Really, when has assassinating a sitting leader actually made things better?
--
the really bad ones tend to have the most security.
now trying to think of the worst leaders that were assassinated.
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the really bad ones tend to have the most security.
now trying to think of the worst leaders that were assassinated.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 11:26 AM (oGRue)
491
Graham seems to talk sense when not under the influence of McCain.
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 11:26 AM (r/0kC)
492
This. Continue to diminish the Liberals hold at every point. I heard Jeff Flake yesterday on local talk show. he said he wasnt for eliminating the filibuster because " then when the Democrats are in power..." what the f*ck is that kind of thinking? WE won. Will eliminating the filibuster make it easier to push our policies? That is the question. Now we should do EVERYTHING we can to impliment our policies and solidify position and power. What is wrong with these people? Who thinks like that? Does a winner think like that?? It makes me crazy!
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Flake certainly lives up to his name.
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Flake certainly lives up to his name.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 11:26 AM (vg8iE)
493
467 -- If you or any other member of Teh Horde hasn't already read "April 1865: The Month that Saved America" by Jay Winik, I highly recommend that you do. It does a great job of pointing out that our nation's recovery from the Civil War was historically an exception -- maybe a singular exception -- to the usual rule of ruthless reprisals against those who had rebelled and/or persistent guerilla warfare/terrorism by the defeated parties. Those who took part in that war, particularly the West Point-educated officers on both sides, were very aware of that.
Posted by: Secret Square at May 10, 2017 11:27 AM (+HoK2)
494
Why wasn't the IRS asshat fired concomitantly?
Posted by: gm at May 10, 2017 11:27 AM (K0tm3)
495
So ... if Texas secedes ... and I move down, join the militia, and bring my own gear ...
... am I a carpet-bagger ? Damn Yankee ?
... am I a carpet-bagger ? Damn Yankee ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 11:27 AM (xIBU4)
496
Flake certainly lives up to his name.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 11:26 AM (vg8iE)
Lol. Thanks, I needed that.
Flake certainly lives up to his name.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 11:26 AM (vg8iE)
Lol. Thanks, I needed that.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:27 AM (C/Ocx)
497
Catherine Herridge: Comey Was Fired Because He Refused to Reveal Obama Unmaskers"
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There's a really interesting story over at JihadWatch re: Comey and the terrorist incident at the Draw Moe event in Garland TX. At one point, an undercover FBI agent who was in traveling with the perps encouraged them to "tear up texas." They knew about the coming attack, but only had one agent at the event, who did NOTHING to stop it.
This is... problematic.
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There's a really interesting story over at JihadWatch re: Comey and the terrorist incident at the Draw Moe event in Garland TX. At one point, an undercover FBI agent who was in traveling with the perps encouraged them to "tear up texas." They knew about the coming attack, but only had one agent at the event, who did NOTHING to stop it.
This is... problematic.
Posted by: shibumi at May 10, 2017 11:27 AM (8zWAk)
498
"It can be two things. You've never heard of a hero sandwich?"
A Hero Sandwich may have a different meaning.
In Greek.
A Hero Sandwich may have a different meaning.
In Greek.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:27 AM (i/+aM)
499
And, probably most importantly, to be allowed to do so, for so long, by the Victors.
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 11:19 AM (zSVEm)
I think that some of it can be explained by the fact that so many of them did not stew in resentment after the war, but instead worked toward improving things or otherwise moved on with their lives in a fruitful capacity. For instance, Lee serving as president of Washington University. Many of the others returned to U.S. military service after the war, etc.
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 11:19 AM (zSVEm)
I think that some of it can be explained by the fact that so many of them did not stew in resentment after the war, but instead worked toward improving things or otherwise moved on with their lives in a fruitful capacity. For instance, Lee serving as president of Washington University. Many of the others returned to U.S. military service after the war, etc.
Posted by: Country Singer at May 10, 2017 11:28 AM (uiwCw)
500
Isis likes to blow up ancient relics and statues
The Nazis liked burning books.
The leftists likes burning books, flags, and removing statues.
one is these is totally like the others.
The Nazis liked burning books.
The leftists likes burning books, flags, and removing statues.
one is these is totally like the others.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at May 10, 2017 11:28 AM (aMlLZ)
501
Really, when has assassinating a sitting leader actually made things better?
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Leaders are more commonly assassinated while standing, walking, or hunting.
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Leaders are more commonly assassinated while standing, walking, or hunting.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:28 AM (SsblQ)
502
69 The more I look around at the country today, the more I think that Lincoln should have let the states secede. Why did they have to stay in the union? They signed up as states. Why couldn't withdraw as states? Slavery would have collapsed on its own in short time.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (lwiT4)
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They couldn't. The South wasn't the one using all the cotton the slaves were picking. They couldn't. They lacked the industrial means.
I wonder who was buying all the slave-picked cotton and passing legislation making sure they had exclusive rights to slavery's hard-picked product?
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2017 09:43 AM (lwiT4)
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They couldn't. The South wasn't the one using all the cotton the slaves were picking. They couldn't. They lacked the industrial means.
I wonder who was buying all the slave-picked cotton and passing legislation making sure they had exclusive rights to slavery's hard-picked product?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 11:29 AM (fD1ST)
503
And to note that former Confederate leaders not only got full rights, but were able to hold office? And all the while the newly won rights of blacks were squeezed out of existence?
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:24 AM (326rv)
Uh, 14th Amendment...
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:24 AM (326rv)
Uh, 14th Amendment...
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Posted by: Don Q. at May 10, 2017 11:29 AM (NgKpN)
504
1. "White Guilt" Landowners, aka "Republicans" had slaves, and if YOU vote Republican, you are no better than a slave owner! You MUST vote Democrat!
2. Slave holding in Islam? That can't be true. And if it is true, which it is not assuredly not, their idea of "slave" is different than our idea of "slave" because of the differences in culture. So American slave- bad, Islamic slave= totes cool, beautiful unique culture, etc.
/I was channeling the Left on #2
Posted by: shibumi at May 10, 2017 11:23 AM (8zWAk)
Well, all those Pakistanis, etc who came to Saudi Arabia to do the scut work that Saudis were too rich to do were quite startled to suddenly find themselves held in captivity and called slaves. Slave auctions still occur in Islamic countries.
2. Slave holding in Islam? That can't be true. And if it is true, which it is not assuredly not, their idea of "slave" is different than our idea of "slave" because of the differences in culture. So American slave- bad, Islamic slave= totes cool, beautiful unique culture, etc.
/I was channeling the Left on #2
Posted by: shibumi at May 10, 2017 11:23 AM (8zWAk)
Well, all those Pakistanis, etc who came to Saudi Arabia to do the scut work that Saudis were too rich to do were quite startled to suddenly find themselves held in captivity and called slaves. Slave auctions still occur in Islamic countries.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at May 10, 2017 11:29 AM (kXoT0)
505
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
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The page must have delivered more than his coffee this morning.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 11:25 AM (vg8iE)
The Page: Here's your coffee, Senator. Cream, sugar?
Miss Lindsey: Yes, honey!
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The page must have delivered more than his coffee this morning.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 10, 2017 11:25 AM (vg8iE)
The Page: Here's your coffee, Senator. Cream, sugar?
Miss Lindsey: Yes, honey!
Posted by: BurtTC at May 10, 2017 11:29 AM (TOk1P)
506
>>>>There's a really interesting story over at JihadWatch re: Comey and the
terrorist incident at the Draw Moe event in Garland TX. At one point, an
undercover FBI agent who was in traveling with the perps encouraged
them to "tear up texas." They knew about the coming attack, but only had
one agent at the event, who did NOTHING to stop it.
This is... problematic.
.
.
.I am pretty certain they didn't want that guy to blow his cover. He had been trying to worm his way in for quite some time.
terrorist incident at the Draw Moe event in Garland TX. At one point, an
undercover FBI agent who was in traveling with the perps encouraged
them to "tear up texas." They knew about the coming attack, but only had
one agent at the event, who did NOTHING to stop it.
This is... problematic.
.
.
.I am pretty certain they didn't want that guy to blow his cover. He had been trying to worm his way in for quite some time.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 10, 2017 11:29 AM (le7jz)
507
495. You're a citizen.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 10, 2017 11:29 AM (TwwWO)
508
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2017 11:23 AM (SIY7D)
His five minutes on CNN was almost unfollowable, although to be fair, he was being interrogated by Allysyn, whose obvious agenda was to get him to say that since Trump fired Comey because he is afraid of what Comey will find on his collusion with Russia, Lindsey MUST admit that a special prosecutor must be appointed as Schumer as demanded.
Lindsey looked like he was waiting for the caffeine or cocaine or something to kick in , his eyes were a little sleepy and he was speaking in a calm, drone like tone.
And I agree, I have seen interviews with him n which he is sharp, funny, and directly correct.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2017 11:23 AM (SIY7D)
His five minutes on CNN was almost unfollowable, although to be fair, he was being interrogated by Allysyn, whose obvious agenda was to get him to say that since Trump fired Comey because he is afraid of what Comey will find on his collusion with Russia, Lindsey MUST admit that a special prosecutor must be appointed as Schumer as demanded.
Lindsey looked like he was waiting for the caffeine or cocaine or something to kick in , his eyes were a little sleepy and he was speaking in a calm, drone like tone.
And I agree, I have seen interviews with him n which he is sharp, funny, and directly correct.
Posted by: Jen the original at May 10, 2017 11:30 AM (bJ+bK)
509
474 471 I was walking up to the voting booth when suddenly, from out of nowhere, a Russian influenced my vote.
It was terrifying.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her!
Did he have a bottle of vodka and a funnel?
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 11:22 AM (FZYNt)
Submissive mail-order bride.
It was terrifying.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her!
Did he have a bottle of vodka and a funnel?
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 10, 2017 11:22 AM (FZYNt)
Submissive mail-order bride.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 10, 2017 11:30 AM (0mRoj)
510
480 "Miss Lindsey was on CNN this morning being interviewed by Allysyn"
Graham was on Morning Joe, which was in is Full Froth Mode. Graham gave a reasoned analysis of the Comey firing and was generally supportive of Trump. Joe & Co didn't expect this. It was like a grown-up had walked into the room.
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2017 11:23 AM (SIY7D)
Should have rolled the dice on Juan McLame.
Graham was on Morning Joe, which was in is Full Froth Mode. Graham gave a reasoned analysis of the Comey firing and was generally supportive of Trump. Joe & Co didn't expect this. It was like a grown-up had walked into the room.
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2017 11:23 AM (SIY7D)
Should have rolled the dice on Juan McLame.
Posted by: Hikaru at May 10, 2017 11:30 AM (9TK8E)
511
495 So ... if Texas secedes ... and I move down, join the militia, and bring my own gear ...
... am I a carpet-bagger ? Damn Yankee ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 11:27 AM (xIBU4)
Are you going to support their cause? Then you are a naturalized Texan.
Are you going to take advantage of the Texan way of life, insult Texans and their way of doing things, (fixin' to is a verb, y'all) vote like you did in the liberal cesspool you left (this is rhetorical, not you specifically) and make Texas just like that cesspool? Then you are a carpetbagger.
... am I a carpet-bagger ? Damn Yankee ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 11:27 AM (xIBU4)
Are you going to support their cause? Then you are a naturalized Texan.
Are you going to take advantage of the Texan way of life, insult Texans and their way of doing things, (fixin' to is a verb, y'all) vote like you did in the liberal cesspool you left (this is rhetorical, not you specifically) and make Texas just like that cesspool? Then you are a carpetbagger.
Posted by: moki at May 10, 2017 11:30 AM (V+V48)
512
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
I have to concur, reluctantly.
But he's still a Republican Shit.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 10, 2017 11:24 AM (cjXKD)
True. He's just not a full on, ghost-pepper nightmare diarrhea shit.
I have to concur, reluctantly.
But he's still a Republican Shit.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 10, 2017 11:24 AM (cjXKD)
True. He's just not a full on, ghost-pepper nightmare diarrhea shit.
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 11:31 AM (7HtZB)
513
Really, when has assassinating a sitting leader actually made things better?
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Leaders are more commonly assassinated while standing, walking, or hunting.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:28 AM (SsblQ)
Not funny.
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Leaders are more commonly assassinated while standing, walking, or hunting.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:28 AM (SsblQ)
Not funny.
Posted by: Zombies JFK and Abe L. at May 10, 2017 11:31 AM (TOk1P)
514
495 So ... if Texas secedes ... and I move down, join the militia, and bring my own gear ...
... am I a carpet-bagger ? Damn Yankee ?
I won't be. My Family has a long history with Texas. Even though I only lived there till I was 5..... My Great Grand Dad was the first to bring longhorn cattle to Texas . Has a statue somewhere...
... am I a carpet-bagger ? Damn Yankee ?
I won't be. My Family has a long history with Texas. Even though I only lived there till I was 5..... My Great Grand Dad was the first to bring longhorn cattle to Texas . Has a statue somewhere...
Posted by: It's Me donna at May 10, 2017 11:31 AM (O2RFr)
515
You say that the North doesn't realize "what the
South went through". Actually, yes, many do. And what the South went
through, and what they DID, was noted.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:24 AM (326rv)
What they DID was try and peacefully leave the Union... as was their right.
South went through". Actually, yes, many do. And what the South went
through, and what they DID, was noted.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:24 AM (326rv)
What they DID was try and peacefully leave the Union... as was their right.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 11:31 AM (qf8IB)
516
"See my post at 414, in which I want to know why Islamic slave holding TODAY is totes OK..."
I was pulling your chain.
You, and I see each situation as morally wrong, because we judge the morality of an act on an unyielding moral compass.
For leftists, the moral judgement begins with "Who is doing it"
A perfect example is the recent utterance by the ACLU fool that Trumps Immigration ban is unconstitutional.
But...it Hillary were president, and it was the exact same EO...in their opinion it would be constitutional.
I was pulling your chain.
You, and I see each situation as morally wrong, because we judge the morality of an act on an unyielding moral compass.
For leftists, the moral judgement begins with "Who is doing it"
A perfect example is the recent utterance by the ACLU fool that Trumps Immigration ban is unconstitutional.
But...it Hillary were president, and it was the exact same EO...in their opinion it would be constitutional.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:31 AM (i/+aM)
517
Lindsey looked like he was waiting for the caffeine or cocaine or something to kick in , his eyes were a little sleepy and he was speaking in a calm, drone like tone.
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Damn, I'm good.
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Damn, I'm good.
Posted by: The Page at May 10, 2017 11:32 AM (vg8iE)
518
So ... if Texas secedes ... and I move down, join the militia, and bring my own gear ...
... am I
welcome?
Yes, yes you are.
... am I
welcome?
Yes, yes you are.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:32 AM (o+pgY)
519
What they DID was try and peacefully leave the Union... as was their right.
Posted by: redbanzai
Ya'll forgot about me agin.
Posted by: redbanzai
Ya'll forgot about me agin.
Posted by: Southern fried clown with a lanyard in his hands at May 10, 2017 11:32 AM (326rv)
520
You say that the North doesn't realize "what the South went through". Actually, yes, many do. And what the South went through, and what they DID, was noted.
Posted by: Blue Hen
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Yes, the invasion and decimation of Northern cities, populations, and landscapes is not a thing easily dismissed and forgotten.
You say that the North doesn't realize "what the South went through". Actually, yes, many do. And what the South went through, and what they DID, was noted.
Posted by: Blue Hen
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Yes, the invasion and decimation of Northern cities, populations, and landscapes is not a thing easily dismissed and forgotten.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2017 11:33 AM (OdK9v)
521
he said he wasnt for eliminating the filibuster because " then when the
Democrats are in power..." what the f*ck is that kind of thinking?
The better argument is "when the Democrats *were* in power." Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. Make them live up to their own rules, no double standards.
the really bad ones tend to have the most security.
now trying to think of the worst leaders that were assassinated.
I'm largely thinking of the backlash effect, though there's also the devil you know at play. There's also a difference between "do this rar we're so angry Black Hand smash" to "do this as part of a larger plan."
Democrats are in power..." what the f*ck is that kind of thinking?
The better argument is "when the Democrats *were* in power." Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. Make them live up to their own rules, no double standards.
the really bad ones tend to have the most security.
now trying to think of the worst leaders that were assassinated.
I'm largely thinking of the backlash effect, though there's also the devil you know at play. There's also a difference between "do this rar we're so angry Black Hand smash" to "do this as part of a larger plan."
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 11:33 AM (0NdDF)
522
Gettysburg certainly was lost to Lee when he allowed the North to take the high ground
Lee was tired and tired of the war.
He wanted to end it one way or the other.
He thought to have the final battle there at Gettysburg, and then advance on Washington and sue for peace. When the Union Army occupied Seminary Ridge it was settled who had position there. Lee knew he had been beaten. Regardless of whether you believe Stuart let him down or not, by the time of Pickett's charge Lee knew the disposition of forces.
He might have taken Greenstreets counsel to seek a battle another day on ground of their choosing but he did not. He wanted it over.
And so it was.
Lee was tired and tired of the war.
He wanted to end it one way or the other.
He thought to have the final battle there at Gettysburg, and then advance on Washington and sue for peace. When the Union Army occupied Seminary Ridge it was settled who had position there. Lee knew he had been beaten. Regardless of whether you believe Stuart let him down or not, by the time of Pickett's charge Lee knew the disposition of forces.
He might have taken Greenstreets counsel to seek a battle another day on ground of their choosing but he did not. He wanted it over.
And so it was.
Posted by: blaster at May 10, 2017 11:33 AM (nKPgU)
523
507 495. You're a citizen
Outstanding.
But if we win ... I can't do the hat, boots, belt buckle thing. I'm more of a jeans, red wings, NRA tee guy.
Outstanding.
But if we win ... I can't do the hat, boots, belt buckle thing. I'm more of a jeans, red wings, NRA tee guy.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 11:33 AM (xIBU4)
524
493
467 -- If you or any other member of Teh Horde hasn't already read
"April 1865: The Month that Saved America" by Jay Winik, I highly
recommend that you do. It does a great job of pointing out that our
nation's recovery from the Civil War was historically an exception --
maybe a singular exception -- to the usual rule of ruthless reprisals
against those who had rebelled and/or persistent guerilla
warfare/terrorism by the defeated parties. Those who took part in that
war, particularly the West Point-educated officers on both sides, were
very aware of that.
Posted by: Secret Square
Great book
467 -- If you or any other member of Teh Horde hasn't already read
"April 1865: The Month that Saved America" by Jay Winik, I highly
recommend that you do. It does a great job of pointing out that our
nation's recovery from the Civil War was historically an exception --
maybe a singular exception -- to the usual rule of ruthless reprisals
against those who had rebelled and/or persistent guerilla
warfare/terrorism by the defeated parties. Those who took part in that
war, particularly the West Point-educated officers on both sides, were
very aware of that.
Posted by: Secret Square
Great book
Posted by: SFGoth at May 10, 2017 11:33 AM (dZ756)
525
I am pretty certain they didn't want that guy to blow his cover. He had been trying to worm his way in for quite some time.
His cover was shot when the bogeys were.
His cover was shot when the bogeys were.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:33 AM (o+pgY)
526
McCain: With "friends" like that who needs enemies?
Posted by: It's Me donna at May 10, 2017 11:34 AM (O2RFr)
527
What they DID was try and peacefully leave the Union... as was their right.
Posted by: redbanzai
As did 'loyal' Virginia. And Virginia wasn't having any of it.
The approach of Southern apologists to history is strikingly similar to the approach taken by Southern war makers. Fragmented, and in some cases, delusional.
Posted by: redbanzai
As did 'loyal' Virginia. And Virginia wasn't having any of it.
The approach of Southern apologists to history is strikingly similar to the approach taken by Southern war makers. Fragmented, and in some cases, delusional.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:34 AM (326rv)
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 11:34 AM (C52a9)
529
now trying to think of the worst leaders that were assassinated.
I'm largely thinking of the backlash effect, though there's also the devil you know at play. There's also a difference between "do this rar we're so angry Black Hand smash" to "do this as part of a larger plan."
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 11:33 AM (0NdDF)
The film Anthropoid, on the assassination of Heydrich in Prague, discusses this to a small extent
now trying to think of the worst leaders that were assassinated.
I'm largely thinking of the backlash effect, though there's also the devil you know at play. There's also a difference between "do this rar we're so angry Black Hand smash" to "do this as part of a larger plan."
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 11:33 AM (0NdDF)
The film Anthropoid, on the assassination of Heydrich in Prague, discusses this to a small extent
Posted by: moki at May 10, 2017 11:34 AM (V+V48)
530
523. Hell, you're going for the Houston look, aintcha?
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 10, 2017 11:35 AM (TwwWO)
531
You say that the North doesn't realize "what the South went through". Actually, yes, many do.
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Of course, after all they put them through it. Nothing adds to the knowledge base like experience.
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Of course, after all they put them through it. Nothing adds to the knowledge base like experience.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:35 AM (SsblQ)
532
So, with Mrs VIA having the good judgement to being born at Ft Hood, we can exercise right of return...
yes?
yes?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:35 AM (i/+aM)
533
.I am pretty certain they didn't want that guy to blow his cover. He had been trying to worm his way in for quite some time.
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Yes, well I suppose there is that.
However, if he knew that there was going to be a terrorist attack, why was there only ONE FBI person at the event?
Why did the FBI person at the event do NOTHING to stop the attack?
Does the FBI want people critical of jihad to be killed? They did nothing to stop the attack, and even encouraged the jihadists to do more.
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Yes, well I suppose there is that.
However, if he knew that there was going to be a terrorist attack, why was there only ONE FBI person at the event?
Why did the FBI person at the event do NOTHING to stop the attack?
Does the FBI want people critical of jihad to be killed? They did nothing to stop the attack, and even encouraged the jihadists to do more.
Posted by: shibumi at May 10, 2017 11:35 AM (8zWAk)
534
But...it Hillary were president, and it was the exact same EO...in their opinion it would be constitutional.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:31 AM (i/+aM)
Yeppers, and Sally Yates actually testified to that fact--that if Hillary had done it, she would've sent lawyers to defend it. If you haven't seen Cruz's questioning of her in which he cites the legislation supporting Trump's right to EO immigration and visitation by foreigners, go watch it, it was masterful. I do not like every little thing about Cruz, but, man he can lawyer sumpin fierce. I would love to see him on the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:31 AM (i/+aM)
Yeppers, and Sally Yates actually testified to that fact--that if Hillary had done it, she would've sent lawyers to defend it. If you haven't seen Cruz's questioning of her in which he cites the legislation supporting Trump's right to EO immigration and visitation by foreigners, go watch it, it was masterful. I do not like every little thing about Cruz, but, man he can lawyer sumpin fierce. I would love to see him on the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at May 10, 2017 11:35 AM (kXoT0)
535
498 "It can be two things. You've never heard of a hero sandwich?"
A Hero Sandwich may have a different meaning.
In Greek.
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In a Greek
A Hero Sandwich may have a different meaning.
In Greek.
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In a Greek
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 11:36 AM (oGRue)
536
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
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The page must have delivered more than his coffee this morning.
Maybe he and McCain tossed a coin.
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
===============
The page must have delivered more than his coffee this morning.
Maybe he and McCain tossed a coin.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 11:36 AM (IqV8l)
537
I heard this morning some reporter asking (more like yelling at) the Russian foreign minister about the Comey firing. What he thought of it or what it changed. He responded, You're or kidding, right?
I heard this morning some reporter asking (more like yelling at) the Russian foreign minister about the Comey firing. What he thought of it or what it changed. He responded, You're or kidding, right?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 11:36 AM (493sH)
538
You say that the North doesn't realize "what the South went through". Actually, yes, many do. And what the South went through, and what they DID, was noted.
Posted by: Blue Hen
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Yes, the invasion and decimation of Northern cities, populations, and landscapes is not a thing easily dismissed and forgotten.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,
Quite true. That DID happen. As did enslaving free blacks as the Confederate armies advanced. It was the official policy of the CSA. Some Confederate commanders refused to obey it, but it did happen.
Posted by: Blue Hen
-----------
Yes, the invasion and decimation of Northern cities, populations, and landscapes is not a thing easily dismissed and forgotten.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,
Quite true. That DID happen. As did enslaving free blacks as the Confederate armies advanced. It was the official policy of the CSA. Some Confederate commanders refused to obey it, but it did happen.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:36 AM (326rv)
539
Are you going to support their cause? Then you are a naturalized Texan.
Are you going to take advantage of the Texan way of life, insult Texans and their way of doing things, (fixin' to is a verb, y'all) vote like you did in the liberal cesspool you left (this is rhetorical, not you specifically) and make Texas just like that cesspool? Then you are a carpetbagger.
Posted by: moki at May 10, 2017 11:30 AM (V+V4
Yeah. Boise Idaho. then the Californians sold houses for big bucks bought cheap property there. Now 'California was the best! lets do that here!"
Stealth jihad. Uh oh...I did the terrororist thing. I denounce myself.
Are you going to take advantage of the Texan way of life, insult Texans and their way of doing things, (fixin' to is a verb, y'all) vote like you did in the liberal cesspool you left (this is rhetorical, not you specifically) and make Texas just like that cesspool? Then you are a carpetbagger.
Posted by: moki at May 10, 2017 11:30 AM (V+V4
Yeah. Boise Idaho. then the Californians sold houses for big bucks bought cheap property there. Now 'California was the best! lets do that here!"
Stealth jihad. Uh oh...I did the terrororist thing. I denounce myself.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:36 AM (C/Ocx)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:36 AM (o+pgY)
541
One of those New Orleans monuments was a post-war Jim Crow deal. Meh. But of course Lee and Jackson should not get the Soviet Airbrush. That's just a different shade of oppression.
The Confederates were right about the Almighty Federal Blob--and wrong about the larger Human Rights issue.
The Confederates were right about the Almighty Federal Blob--and wrong about the larger Human Rights issue.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 10, 2017 11:36 AM (m6qV1)
542
501 Really, when has assassinating a sitting leader actually made things better?
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Leaders are more commonly assassinated while standing, walking, or hunting
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usually
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Leaders are more commonly assassinated while standing, walking, or hunting
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usually
Posted by: Tywin Lannister at May 10, 2017 11:37 AM (oGRue)
543
>>>>I am pretty certain they didn't want that guy to blow his cover. He had been trying to worm his way in for quite some time.
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Yes, well I suppose there is that.
However, if he knew that there was going to be a terrorist attack, why was there only ONE FBI person at the event?
Why did the FBI person at the event do NOTHING to stop the attack?
Does
the FBI want people critical of jihad to be killed? They did nothing to
stop the attack, and even encouraged the jihadists to do more.
.
.
.I don't know. There are tons of unanswered questions that the FBI needs to address but they won't. Maybe now that comey is gone his replacement will order a bottom up review.
---
Yes, well I suppose there is that.
However, if he knew that there was going to be a terrorist attack, why was there only ONE FBI person at the event?
Why did the FBI person at the event do NOTHING to stop the attack?
Does
the FBI want people critical of jihad to be killed? They did nothing to
stop the attack, and even encouraged the jihadists to do more.
.
.
.I don't know. There are tons of unanswered questions that the FBI needs to address but they won't. Maybe now that comey is gone his replacement will order a bottom up review.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 10, 2017 11:37 AM (le7jz)
544
So ... if Texas secedes ... and I move down, join the militia, and bring my own gear ...
... am I a carpet-bagger ? Damn Yankee ?
Posted by: ScoggDog
I was born in DC, family's from MN, raised in AL. I just go with "American" and declare the rest a wash.
... am I a carpet-bagger ? Damn Yankee ?
Posted by: ScoggDog
I was born in DC, family's from MN, raised in AL. I just go with "American" and declare the rest a wash.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 11:37 AM (9krrF)
545
532. Hank Hill - almost as much a Texan as his daddy, who fought for Texas in WWII and killed fiddy men - was born in New York. And I'm an immigrant here, m'self. So, yeah, you're golden.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 10, 2017 11:37 AM (TwwWO)
546
519 What they DID was try and peacefully leave the Union... as was their right.
Posted by: redbanzai
Ya'll forgot about me agin.
Posted by: Southern fried clown with a lanyard in his hands at May 10, 2017 11:32 AM (326rv)
The Succession started on Dec 20 1860... the shooting did not start until 4 months later, on April 12.
Posted by: redbanzai
Ya'll forgot about me agin.
Posted by: Southern fried clown with a lanyard in his hands at May 10, 2017 11:32 AM (326rv)
The Succession started on Dec 20 1860... the shooting did not start until 4 months later, on April 12.
Posted by: Don Q. at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (NgKpN)
547
Stealth jihad. Uh oh...I did the terrororist thing. I denounce myself.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:36 AM (C/Ocx)
Not too dissimilar, are they?!
Stealth jihad. Uh oh...I did the terrororist thing. I denounce myself.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:36 AM (C/Ocx)
Not too dissimilar, are they?!
Posted by: moki at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (V+V48)
548
I finally did a book review despite my sleepiness.
My thoughts on Malachi Martin's Windswept House and current events
Link in nic
My thoughts on Malachi Martin's Windswept House and current events
Link in nic
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (hMwEB)
Posted by: Tywin Lannister at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (oGRue)
550
The approach of Southern apologists to history is strikingly similar to the approach taken by Southern war makers. Fragmented, and in some cases, delusional.
Posted by: Blue Hen
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Yes. They are mostly an ignorant rabble.
The approach of Southern apologists to history is strikingly similar to the approach taken by Southern war makers. Fragmented, and in some cases, delusional.
Posted by: Blue Hen
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Yes. They are mostly an ignorant rabble.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (OdK9v)
551
You say that the North doesn't realize "what the South went through". Actually, yes, many do. And what the South went through, and what they DID, was noted.
What Blue Hen Said
The North suffered just as much as the South.
What Mike Hammer Read
What Blue Hen Said
The North suffered just as much as the South.
What Mike Hammer Read
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (VdICR)
552
Graham perplexes me. He can sometimes be right, and when he is, he's quite charming and persuasive.
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IMHO, Graham is trying to appease everyone.
Vote Republican: point that out to his Republican voters.
Vote Democrat: point that out to potential Democrat supporters
"Look, I can reach around the aisle too! I fight for everyone!!!"
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IMHO, Graham is trying to appease everyone.
Vote Republican: point that out to his Republican voters.
Vote Democrat: point that out to potential Democrat supporters
"Look, I can reach around the aisle too! I fight for everyone!!!"
Posted by: shibumi at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (8zWAk)
553
you're going for the Houston look
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Houston: the greatest of all Texans and a great Texan Unionist.
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Houston: the greatest of all Texans and a great Texan Unionist.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (SsblQ)
554
Someone needs to fit McCain with one of those cow-fart catchers to keep his methane emissions under control.
Posted by: geoffb5 at May 10, 2017 11:39 AM (d3wbb)
555
""Look, I can reach around the aisle too! I fight for everyone!!!" "
See.... Miss Lindsey gives reach-arounds
See.... Miss Lindsey gives reach-arounds
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:39 AM (i/+aM)
556
540. Now, now. They've just got their own ideas about things, that's all.....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 10, 2017 11:39 AM (TwwWO)
Posted by: geoffb5 at May 10, 2017 11:40 AM (d3wbb)
558
547
Stealth jihad. Uh oh...I did the terrororist thing. I denounce myself.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:36 AM (C/Ocx)
Not too dissimilar, are they?!
Posted by: moki at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (V+V4
Hey, I'm trying to denounce myself. Lol.
Stealth jihad. Uh oh...I did the terrororist thing. I denounce myself.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:36 AM (C/Ocx)
Not too dissimilar, are they?!
Posted by: moki at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (V+V4
Hey, I'm trying to denounce myself. Lol.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:40 AM (C/Ocx)
559
The Confederates were right about the Almighty Federal Blob--and wrong about the larger Human Rights issue.
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Oh please. More Northern morality lectures?
The vast majority of the industrial North could give a rusty fcuk about slavery or teh RACIZTs . The South was a huge percentage of the overall GDP.
It was about money, economics and control.
But yet the Southerners are the ones who "rewrite history ".
Please.
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Oh please. More Northern morality lectures?
The vast majority of the industrial North could give a rusty fcuk about slavery or teh RACIZTs . The South was a huge percentage of the overall GDP.
It was about money, economics and control.
But yet the Southerners are the ones who "rewrite history ".
Please.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 11:40 AM (C52a9)
560
So does everyone have big plans for the 4th of July?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 11:40 AM (fD1ST)
561
"Gettysburg certainly was lost to Lee when he allowed the North to take the high ground"
Killer Angels is a well-known classic about Gettysburg.
It starts by describing how the engagement of small forces escalated into the Big Battle of the War that neither side planned for at Gettysburg, because each side recognized the critical importance of seizing and holding the high ground.
The North won because it seized and held the High Ground, moral and otherwise.
Killer Angels is a well-known classic about Gettysburg.
It starts by describing how the engagement of small forces escalated into the Big Battle of the War that neither side planned for at Gettysburg, because each side recognized the critical importance of seizing and holding the high ground.
The North won because it seized and held the High Ground, moral and otherwise.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2017 11:40 AM (SIY7D)
Posted by: Muldoon at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (wPiJc)
563
As did 'loyal' Virginia. And Virginia wasn't having any of it.
The approach of Southern apologists to history is strikingly similar
to the approach taken by Southern war makers. Fragmented, and in some
cases, delusional.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:34 AM (326rv)
Interestingly, the parts of Virginia that became West Virginia (I am assuming that is what you mean by loyal Virginia) were not an independent state and did not have the same rights to secede as Virginia did from the union they had voted to join.
That would make discussions of the formation of West Virginia very dissimilar to discussion of the rights of independent states in a Republic.
The approach of Southern apologists to history is strikingly similar
to the approach taken by Southern war makers. Fragmented, and in some
cases, delusional.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:34 AM (326rv)
Interestingly, the parts of Virginia that became West Virginia (I am assuming that is what you mean by loyal Virginia) were not an independent state and did not have the same rights to secede as Virginia did from the union they had voted to join.
That would make discussions of the formation of West Virginia very dissimilar to discussion of the rights of independent states in a Republic.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (qf8IB)
564
CNBC has been having the vapors all morning about Trump meeting with the Russian foreign minister. I guess something like this has never happened before and proves that Trump is Putin's puppet.
CNBC has been having the vapors all morning about Trump meeting with the Russian foreign minister. I guess something like this has never happened before and proves that Trump is Putin's puppet.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (493sH)
565
What they DID was try and peacefully leave the Union... as was their right.
Posted by: redbanzai
Ya'll forgot about me agin.
Posted by: Southern fried clown with a lanyard in his hands at May 10, 2017 11:32 AM (326rv)
The Succession started on Dec 20 1860... the shooting did not start until 4 months later, on April 12.
Posted by: Don Q.
And the North didn't act until after that. Which sealed the fate of the South. As did enshrining slavery in the constitution of the CSA.
Both of these things were used skillfully by Lincoln an by his foreign envoys. To ally with the South was to ally with slavery. And not one person in the North had a hand in that.
Posted by: redbanzai
Ya'll forgot about me agin.
Posted by: Southern fried clown with a lanyard in his hands at May 10, 2017 11:32 AM (326rv)
The Succession started on Dec 20 1860... the shooting did not start until 4 months later, on April 12.
Posted by: Don Q.
And the North didn't act until after that. Which sealed the fate of the South. As did enshrining slavery in the constitution of the CSA.
Both of these things were used skillfully by Lincoln an by his foreign envoys. To ally with the South was to ally with slavery. And not one person in the North had a hand in that.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (326rv)
566
My Great Grand Dad was the first to bring longhorn cattle to Texas . Has a statue somewhere...
Posted by: It's Me donna at May 10, 2017 11:31 AM (O2RFr)
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so who brought the queers?
Posted by: It's Me donna at May 10, 2017 11:31 AM (O2RFr)
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so who brought the queers?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (oGRue)
567
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at May 10, 2017 11:07 AM (kXoT0)
Slaveholding has been illegal in Saudi since the (60's?), and I think most Arab states outlawed it about that time as well (it is not legal anywhere in the world at this point). Your over-all point is quite correct though. It took them an extra hundred years to at least pass a law, which is completely ignored and de facto slavery is the lot of most low-level foreign workers there (documents confiscated, never paid, physical and sexual abuse, while being expected to work 20 hours a day) and yet the progs don't say a thing about any of that.
Slaveholding has been illegal in Saudi since the (60's?), and I think most Arab states outlawed it about that time as well (it is not legal anywhere in the world at this point). Your over-all point is quite correct though. It took them an extra hundred years to at least pass a law, which is completely ignored and de facto slavery is the lot of most low-level foreign workers there (documents confiscated, never paid, physical and sexual abuse, while being expected to work 20 hours a day) and yet the progs don't say a thing about any of that.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (sEDyY)
568
564
CNBC has been having the vapors all morning about Trump meeting with the Russian foreign minister. I guess something like this has never happened before and proves that Trump is Putin's puppet.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (493sH)
Will there be golden showers?
CNBC has been having the vapors all morning about Trump meeting with the Russian foreign minister. I guess something like this has never happened before and proves that Trump is Putin's puppet.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (493sH)
Will there be golden showers?
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:42 AM (C/Ocx)
569
Houston: the greatest of all Texans and a great Texan Unionist.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (SsblQ)
And now a huge portion of the great city named after Sam is represented by Sheila Jackson Leigh....sigh.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (SsblQ)
And now a huge portion of the great city named after Sam is represented by Sheila Jackson Leigh....sigh.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at May 10, 2017 11:42 AM (kXoT0)
570
Kek? Where is Pepe when you need him?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 10, 2017 11:42 AM (sH2Lb)
571
553. Yep. Used to live in a little burg named for the Mexican governor who defected to the Texian cause. All the streets had German names, but, by Tengri, the people named the town for him.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 10, 2017 11:42 AM (TwwWO)
572
The moral grandstanding is ridiculous, however--especially by those who excuse the Slavery for the unborn, the victims of Communism and the human property of Islamists.
Those slaveries are all being practiced TODAY. ON MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TODAY.
And are protected by the Slave Power Left.
Those slaveries are all being practiced TODAY. ON MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TODAY.
And are protected by the Slave Power Left.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 10, 2017 11:42 AM (m6qV1)
573
You omitted the comma between "river" and "and" . I know 'cause it will be my epitaph as well and has nothing to with TJ As to NOLA and the statues , I can eat and drink too much in NO or Las Vegas . I have decided to avoid NOLA and go to LV . And have so informed the Chamber of Commerce , Landrieu being not worth the effort. I suggest others in the Horde might do the same.
Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at May 10, 2017 11:42 AM (YrDFq)
574
>>Yes. They are mostly an ignorant rabble. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (OdK9v)
Hah! Silly Yankee, you misspelt "ig'nernt."
Hah! Silly Yankee, you misspelt "ig'nernt."
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 11:43 AM (Bdeb0)
575
so who brought the queers?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (oGRue)
Dammit buzz! Thats fresh cawfee on my screen!
so who brought the queers?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (oGRue)
Dammit buzz! Thats fresh cawfee on my screen!
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:43 AM (C/Ocx)
576
" I guess something like this has never happened before and proves that Trump is Putin's puppet."
Only Nixon could go to China.
Only Nixon could go to China.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:43 AM (i/+aM)
577
570. Pepe is with us always and in all places, dude.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 10, 2017 11:44 AM (TwwWO)
578
533 .I am pretty certain they didn't want that guy to blow his cover. He had been trying to worm his way in for quite some time.
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Yes, well I suppose there is that.
However, if he knew that there was going to be a terrorist attack, why was there only ONE FBI person at the event?
Why did the FBI person at the event do NOTHING to stop the attack?
Does the FBI want people critical of jihad to be killed? They did nothing to stop the attack, and even encouraged the jihadists to do more.
Posted by: shibumi at May 10, 2017 11:35 AM (8zWAk)
Because the Bureaucracy has been fully compromised by Islamic interests and money.
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Yes, well I suppose there is that.
However, if he knew that there was going to be a terrorist attack, why was there only ONE FBI person at the event?
Why did the FBI person at the event do NOTHING to stop the attack?
Does the FBI want people critical of jihad to be killed? They did nothing to stop the attack, and even encouraged the jihadists to do more.
Posted by: shibumi at May 10, 2017 11:35 AM (8zWAk)
Because the Bureaucracy has been fully compromised by Islamic interests and money.
Posted by: Hikaru at May 10, 2017 11:44 AM (9TK8E)
579
What year did slavery stop in Brazil?
And did Brazil have a larger, or smaller slave population than the United States?
And did Brazil have a larger, or smaller slave population than the United States?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:44 AM (i/+aM)
580
Oh...man. I love a good authentic Greek Gyro.
Posted by: fixeruper
They keep you stable.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 11:20 AM
*authentic Greek fistbump*
Posted by: fixeruper
They keep you stable.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 11:20 AM
*authentic Greek fistbump*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 10, 2017 11:45 AM (p+Wdc)
581
So does everyone have big plans for the 4th of July?
Not with it being in the middle of the week.
Not with it being in the middle of the week.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:45 AM (o+pgY)
582
That we forgive treason in victory speaks to the magnanimity of the United States.
Posted by: whatmeworry? at May 10, 2017 11:45 AM (dZGNV)
583
Slaveholding has been illegal in Saudi since the (60's?), and I think most Arab states outlawed it about that time as well (it is not legal anywhere in the world at this point). Your over-all point is quite correct though. It took them an extra hundred years to at least pass a law, which is completely ignored and de facto slavery is the lot of most low-level foreign workers there (documents confiscated, never paid, physical and sexual abuse, while being expected to work 20 hours a day) and yet the progs don't say a thing about any of that.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (sEDyY)
Westerners forced that law on them in the 60s when they were there exploring for oil. It is utterly meaningless in a country ruled by Sharia law to have secular legislation forbidding anything legal under Sharia.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (sEDyY)
Westerners forced that law on them in the 60s when they were there exploring for oil. It is utterly meaningless in a country ruled by Sharia law to have secular legislation forbidding anything legal under Sharia.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at May 10, 2017 11:45 AM (kXoT0)
584
This stonewall dude was 39? Damn they aged fast back then. He looks like Gandalf without his hat.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at May 10, 2017 11:45 AM (aMlLZ)
585
There is a local fellow named Stonewall Jackson Fortune.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2017 11:45 AM (OdK9v)
586
549 Slavery would have collapsed on its own in short time.
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has this ever happened anywhere?
Posted by: Tywin Lannister at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (oGRue)
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The reality of slave labor in the American South made it particularly susceptible to some specific economic factors.
Most of Southern wealth was in chattel, and that was an expensive thing. Bud Robertson made a joke that the reason we never see Scarlett's father was because he was hiding in a room, freaking out over his finances.
Slavery cost more money for the producer of cotton than free labor did. Slavery had trouble taking root in any other part of the country (which is why the slave states loved the idea of forcing new states to become slave states instead of leaving it to popular will which typically ended up against slavery in the territories). It was only somewhat profitable in the South with cotton.
Now, to say that nothing about that situation would have changed is silly, but the institution was growing weaker, and the South knew it.
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has this ever happened anywhere?
Posted by: Tywin Lannister at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (oGRue)
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The reality of slave labor in the American South made it particularly susceptible to some specific economic factors.
Most of Southern wealth was in chattel, and that was an expensive thing. Bud Robertson made a joke that the reason we never see Scarlett's father was because he was hiding in a room, freaking out over his finances.
Slavery cost more money for the producer of cotton than free labor did. Slavery had trouble taking root in any other part of the country (which is why the slave states loved the idea of forcing new states to become slave states instead of leaving it to popular will which typically ended up against slavery in the territories). It was only somewhat profitable in the South with cotton.
Now, to say that nothing about that situation would have changed is silly, but the institution was growing weaker, and the South knew it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:45 AM (mC1ZI)
587
I've always thought the Civil War was a fight over the West, and who would control it.
"The future, Mr. Gittes! The future."
"The future, Mr. Gittes! The future."
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (SIY7D)
588
Yep. Used to live in a little burg named for the Mexican governor who defected to the Texian cause. All the streets had German names, but, by Tengri, the people named the town for him.
Goliad? Sabine? San Marcos?
Goliad? Sabine? San Marcos?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (o+pgY)
589
The North suffered just as much as the South.
What Mike Hammer Read
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (VdICR)
Mike was, I believe, being sarcastic...
Because the North was not invaded and did not have their crops and homes razed to the ground.
What Mike Hammer Read
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 10, 2017 11:38 AM (VdICR)
Mike was, I believe, being sarcastic...
Because the North was not invaded and did not have their crops and homes razed to the ground.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (qf8IB)
590
Will there be golden showers?
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:42 AM (C/Ocx)
In CNBC's twisted panties. They showed a clip of Trump meeting with Henry Kissinger. More screaming about why fire Comey (He was doing a bad job) and what did it have to do with the Russians? You see Trump fires Comey and meets with a Russian the next day!!!!! It's all part of conspiracy that Inspector Clouseau Comey was on to!!!
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:42 AM (C/Ocx)
In CNBC's twisted panties. They showed a clip of Trump meeting with Henry Kissinger. More screaming about why fire Comey (He was doing a bad job) and what did it have to do with the Russians? You see Trump fires Comey and meets with a Russian the next day!!!!! It's all part of conspiracy that Inspector Clouseau Comey was on to!!!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (493sH)
591
Interestingly, the parts of Virginia that became West Virginia (I am assuming that is what you mean by loyal Virginia) were not an independent state and did not have the same rights to secede as Virginia did from the union they had voted to join.
That would make discussions of the formation of West Virginia very dissimilar to discussion of the rights of independent states in a Republic.
Posted by: redbanzai
Claims to that land were based upon land grants and claims made under the English Crown. There was no mechanism in the Constitution for secession, and yet Virginia magically found it. People in W Virginia ad higher mountains, so they had an even better perspective with which to "find" the necessary mechanism. And they did it peacefully too.
Also remember that Virginia decided that it had the right to steal Federal installations and supplies, and imprison US troops who were lawfully manning those installations.
That would make discussions of the formation of West Virginia very dissimilar to discussion of the rights of independent states in a Republic.
Posted by: redbanzai
Claims to that land were based upon land grants and claims made under the English Crown. There was no mechanism in the Constitution for secession, and yet Virginia magically found it. People in W Virginia ad higher mountains, so they had an even better perspective with which to "find" the necessary mechanism. And they did it peacefully too.
Also remember that Virginia decided that it had the right to steal Federal installations and supplies, and imprison US troops who were lawfully manning those installations.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (326rv)
592
yo
Posted by: Ralph at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (trdnR)
593
>>1. American slave holding was so atrocious and abhorrent that anything
to do with its history must be obliterated. America has not had slaves
since 1863.
2. Saudi Arabia and other Islamic theocracies slave holding is
legal and a common practice. But, that is their culture, so it's totes
okay.
Easy answer: White Privilege.
Whites/Western civilization is held to a higher standard. Anything less than perfection, with "perfection" being redefined constantly these days, is cause to declare us failures and evil.
Other cultures are given mulligans because it's their culture/religion, or they don't have the advantages we do (if only jihadis had jobs!!), or we caused it by interfering blah blah blah.
to do with its history must be obliterated. America has not had slaves
since 1863.
2. Saudi Arabia and other Islamic theocracies slave holding is
legal and a common practice. But, that is their culture, so it's totes
okay.
Easy answer: White Privilege.
Whites/Western civilization is held to a higher standard. Anything less than perfection, with "perfection" being redefined constantly these days, is cause to declare us failures and evil.
Other cultures are given mulligans because it's their culture/religion, or they don't have the advantages we do (if only jihadis had jobs!!), or we caused it by interfering blah blah blah.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (NOIQH)
594
And the North didn't act until after that. Which sealed the fate of the South. As did enshrining slavery in the constitution of the CSA.
Both of these things were used skillfully by Lincoln an by his foreign envoys. To ally with the South was to ally with slavery. And not one person in the North had a hand in that.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (326rv)
Actually... Ft. Sumter was fired on because, contrary to an agreement with the South, the North was trying to reinforce the troops there.
The South started firing on the ships, the Fort thought IT was being fired on, and 'returned' fire... which led to the Fort being fired on in turn...
But please, continue in your ignorant and insulting manner, to disabuse those of us, who happen to know a bit more about it than you.
And the North didn't act until after that. Which sealed the fate of the South. As did enshrining slavery in the constitution of the CSA.
Both of these things were used skillfully by Lincoln an by his foreign envoys. To ally with the South was to ally with slavery. And not one person in the North had a hand in that.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (326rv)
Actually... Ft. Sumter was fired on because, contrary to an agreement with the South, the North was trying to reinforce the troops there.
The South started firing on the ships, the Fort thought IT was being fired on, and 'returned' fire... which led to the Fort being fired on in turn...
But please, continue in your ignorant and insulting manner, to disabuse those of us, who happen to know a bit more about it than you.
Posted by: Don Q. at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (NgKpN)
595
Slaveholding has been illegal in Saudi since the (60's?), and I think most Arab states outlawed it about that time as well (it is not legal anywhere in the world at this point). Your over-all point is quite correct though. It took them an extra hundred years to at least pass a law, which is completely ignored and de facto slavery is the lot of most low-level foreign workers there (documents confiscated, never paid, physical and sexual abuse, while being expected to work 20 hours a day) and yet the progs don't say a thing about any of that.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (sEDyY)
Company I used to work for had a customer in KSA. My partner went over there to do the installation of our software, and he said that they had to import thousands and thousands of foreign workers (in our industry, they were mostly Filipino women) to get the work done. There were two reasons for this:
1. Saudi women aren't allowed to work
2. Saudi men think that work is beneath them.
It's a sick, dysfunctional culture and I greatly resent that our country supports it.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 10, 2017 11:41 AM (sEDyY)
Company I used to work for had a customer in KSA. My partner went over there to do the installation of our software, and he said that they had to import thousands and thousands of foreign workers (in our industry, they were mostly Filipino women) to get the work done. There were two reasons for this:
1. Saudi women aren't allowed to work
2. Saudi men think that work is beneath them.
It's a sick, dysfunctional culture and I greatly resent that our country supports it.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (sH2Lb)
596
Me? I'm glad my ancestors came here after the war. Sorta excludes us from a lot of the passion of it all, precisely because we never suffered from the war.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (TwwWO)
597
The Civil War was about money and power.
Just like every other war.
Ascribing selfless, modernistic ideals and motives to either side is revisionist and naive.
The Civil War was about money and power.
Just like every other war.
Ascribing selfless, modernistic ideals and motives to either side is revisionist and naive.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 11:47 AM (C52a9)
598
Because the North was not invaded and did not have their crops and homes razed to the ground.
Posted by: redbanzai
Ah, try 'yes', by me personally. Twice.
Posted by: redbanzai
Ah, try 'yes', by me personally. Twice.
Posted by: zombie Robert E. Lee at May 10, 2017 11:47 AM (326rv)
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There is a local fellow named Stonewall Jackson Fortune.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2017 11:45 AM (OdK9v)
That there is a great name:-P
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2017 11:45 AM (OdK9v)
That there is a great name:-P
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (qf8IB)
600
So does everyone have big plans for the 4th of July?
Not yet, but I'm sure there'll be some family gathering. Independence Day is my favorite holiday. It's not like the other major holidays-- it's about history, liberty and opposing tyranny, and we celebrate with explosions.
Not yet, but I'm sure there'll be some family gathering. Independence Day is my favorite holiday. It's not like the other major holidays-- it's about history, liberty and opposing tyranny, and we celebrate with explosions.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (0NdDF)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (i/+aM)
602
The New Orleans Times-Picayune newspaper was sold a few years ago to an out-of-state conglomerate, stopped publishing an actual newspaper and became little more than a race-baiting SJW blog. They're a big reason this monument thing has become such a controversy down here.
Funny thing: if you point out that they were instrumental in the slave trade back then, advertising auctions and helping capture runaways your account is instantly deleted. If the protestors were sincere in their cause they would be demanding the T-P be shut down and razed to the ground.
Funny thing: if you point out that they were instrumental in the slave trade back then, advertising auctions and helping capture runaways your account is instantly deleted. If the protestors were sincere in their cause they would be demanding the T-P be shut down and razed to the ground.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (UBzPO)
603
I suppose the playing of " what if" with History is endless.
" What if" the country had been divided in 1860 something? Would the parts have been able to expand to the Pacific, with all that entailed.? Would the divided continent have been able to withstand Imperial Japan, and Nazi Germany, some decades later?
Would divided America have been able to face down Soviet and Chinese Communism?
" What if" the country had been divided in 1860 something? Would the parts have been able to expand to the Pacific, with all that entailed.? Would the divided continent have been able to withstand Imperial Japan, and Nazi Germany, some decades later?
Would divided America have been able to face down Soviet and Chinese Communism?
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (zSVEm)
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Shoot. I thought this was gonna be an art thread or something.
Note: lumps of metal vaguely reminiscent of vertebrates are not art, even if the vertebrates are portrayed as damaging or celebrated for their capacity to damage other vertebrates.
Note: lumps of metal vaguely reminiscent of vertebrates are not art, even if the vertebrates are portrayed as damaging or celebrated for their capacity to damage other vertebrates.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (CPk08)
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582
That we forgive treason in victory speaks to the magnanimity of the United States.
Posted by: whatmeworry? at May 10, 2017 11:45 AM (dZGNV)
That we allow people who know no history to accuse fellow citizens of treason show we are magnanimous.
We even let stupid Yankees live in the South now. Why?
I guess we like their money?
That we forgive treason in victory speaks to the magnanimity of the United States.
Posted by: whatmeworry? at May 10, 2017 11:45 AM (dZGNV)
That we allow people who know no history to accuse fellow citizens of treason show we are magnanimous.
We even let stupid Yankees live in the South now. Why?
I guess we like their money?
Posted by: Ralph at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (trdnR)
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587 I've always thought the Civil War was a fight over the West, and who would control it.
"The future, Mr. Gittes! The future."
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (SIY7D)
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Like almost everything in America through the 1850s, it all tied back to slavery.
Why did the different factions in the east want control over how things were structured in the West? To either advance to stifle slavery.
"The future, Mr. Gittes! The future."
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (SIY7D)
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Like almost everything in America through the 1850s, it all tied back to slavery.
Why did the different factions in the east want control over how things were structured in the West? To either advance to stifle slavery.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (mC1ZI)
607
In CNBC's twisted panties. They showed a clip of Trump meeting with Henry Kissinger. More screaming about why fire Comey (He was doing a bad job) and what did it have to do with the Russians? You see Trump fires Comey and meets with a Russian the next day!!!!! It's all part of conspiracy that Inspector Clouseau Comey was on to!!!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (493sH)
This sounds like lunatic fringe to us but I've been tuning into a local Libtard radio station for shits and giggles and really, this just what callers talk about and the host is more venomous. Last time he said that because of Comey we have a dictator for the Russians...really.
In CNBC's twisted panties. They showed a clip of Trump meeting with Henry Kissinger. More screaming about why fire Comey (He was doing a bad job) and what did it have to do with the Russians? You see Trump fires Comey and meets with a Russian the next day!!!!! It's all part of conspiracy that Inspector Clouseau Comey was on to!!!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (493sH)
This sounds like lunatic fringe to us but I've been tuning into a local Libtard radio station for shits and giggles and really, this just what callers talk about and the host is more venomous. Last time he said that because of Comey we have a dictator for the Russians...really.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:49 AM (C/Ocx)
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Talk about an exercise in frustration. I finally got Quicken 2017 loaded on my new machine. And after downloading Quicken 2004 to my old machine I was able to first convert my data files to 2004 so 2017 could convert them to 2017.
And it fought me every step of the way. I probably have at least 2 days of time invested in this crap. And the worst thing is my wife keeps the checkbook files on her computer and my files are not up to date so I will have to do all that conversion shit over.
And no, I am not going to get into any discussion on the Civil War. I have had enough frustration for today. Next up will be my Mastercook program which I had to buy the latest version of because I lost my version 9 disk somewhere and it probably wouldn't run on Win 10 anyway.
And it fought me every step of the way. I probably have at least 2 days of time invested in this crap. And the worst thing is my wife keeps the checkbook files on her computer and my files are not up to date so I will have to do all that conversion shit over.
And no, I am not going to get into any discussion on the Civil War. I have had enough frustration for today. Next up will be my Mastercook program which I had to buy the latest version of because I lost my version 9 disk somewhere and it probably wouldn't run on Win 10 anyway.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:49 AM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 11:50 AM (C52a9)
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This is no different than the taliban blowing up statues.
I don't agree with slavery, which is still going on, by the way, but trying to erase history? Dumb.
This is what is going to happen in France and eventually England if they don't get their respective houses in order. The Italians who have the ability are fleeing Italy.
How did we ever let this PC nonsense get traction?
I don't agree with slavery, which is still going on, by the way, but trying to erase history? Dumb.
This is what is going to happen in France and eventually England if they don't get their respective houses in order. The Italians who have the ability are fleeing Italy.
How did we ever let this PC nonsense get traction?
Posted by: Grapeape at May 10, 2017 11:50 AM (MutLO)
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The moral grandstanding is ridiculous, however--especially by those who excuse the Slavery for the unborn, the victims of Communism and the human property of Islamists.
Those slaveries are all being practiced TODAY. ON MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TODAY.
And are protected by the Slave Power Left.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 10, 2017 11:42 AM (m6qV1)
Yes, and what the Democratic party has done to Blacks in America is completely and utterly indefensible, and what's worse, they have convinced the people they are abusing and oppressing that they are on their side. They have destroyed the Black family and now vast numbers of hopeless Black women surrender their unborn fetuses to be chopped up for parts so that Planned Parenthood honchos can drive Lamborghinis.
Those slaveries are all being practiced TODAY. ON MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TODAY.
And are protected by the Slave Power Left.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 10, 2017 11:42 AM (m6qV1)
Yes, and what the Democratic party has done to Blacks in America is completely and utterly indefensible, and what's worse, they have convinced the people they are abusing and oppressing that they are on their side. They have destroyed the Black family and now vast numbers of hopeless Black women surrender their unborn fetuses to be chopped up for parts so that Planned Parenthood honchos can drive Lamborghinis.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at May 10, 2017 11:50 AM (kXoT0)
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1. Saudi women aren't allowed to work
2. Saudi men think that work is beneath them.
It's a sick, dysfunctional culture and I greatly resent that our country supports it.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004
Worse, we're emulating it. Merge 1 and 2 into "Leftists think that work is beneath them" and you have all you need to know about immigration and economics, US-Left style.
2. Saudi men think that work is beneath them.
It's a sick, dysfunctional culture and I greatly resent that our country supports it.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004
Worse, we're emulating it. Merge 1 and 2 into "Leftists think that work is beneath them" and you have all you need to know about immigration and economics, US-Left style.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 11:50 AM (9krrF)
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There is a report out of the NY Post that the Trump Admin was shocked, shocked I say, that the left was against getting rid of Comey? They thought the left hates Comey and thought they's be on board?
It's about time PDT, The entire Trump Admin, and anyone on still clueless on the Right that the Left has only one aim: To destroy PDT and anyone on the Left.
Wake up assholes NOW
It's about time PDT, The entire Trump Admin, and anyone on still clueless on the Right that the Left has only one aim: To destroy PDT and anyone on the Left.
Wake up assholes NOW
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (SjImc)
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Will the Stone Mountain fifty-cent pieces be renounced as legal specie?
http://tinyurl.com/mtv9v4y
Those of good conscience may unburden themselves of guilt by sending them to me.
http://tinyurl.com/mtv9v4y
Those of good conscience may unburden themselves of guilt by sending them to me.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (OdK9v)
615
Boy i fucking hate communists.
Posted by: most deplorable Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (nXCp4)
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603 I suppose the playing of " what if" with History is endless.
" What if" the country had been divided in 1860 something? Would the parts have been able to expand to the Pacific, with all that entailed.? Would the divided continent have been able to withstand Imperial Japan, and Nazi Germany, some decades later?
Would divided America have been able to face down Soviet and Chinese Communism?
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (zSVEm)
'What if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.' OT but hey its open for discussion.
" What if" the country had been divided in 1860 something? Would the parts have been able to expand to the Pacific, with all that entailed.? Would the divided continent have been able to withstand Imperial Japan, and Nazi Germany, some decades later?
Would divided America have been able to face down Soviet and Chinese Communism?
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (zSVEm)
'What if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.' OT but hey its open for discussion.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (C/Ocx)
617
Demoncrats are merely trying to erase the evidence of how they kept Africans in slavery for fear those they keep in slavery now might realized what is going on.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (YXV6f)
618
>>It's a sick, dysfunctional culture and I greatly resent that our country supports it.
That's Dubai, too. Went there in the late 90's for work. Our local office was like a Benetton ad - staff from every continent, hardly any two people from the same country. Go outside and see numerous high-rises being built by people from Pakistan, etc. No locals. Locals own the business licenses; everyone else does the work.
That's Dubai, too. Went there in the late 90's for work. Our local office was like a Benetton ad - staff from every continent, hardly any two people from the same country. Go outside and see numerous high-rises being built by people from Pakistan, etc. No locals. Locals own the business licenses; everyone else does the work.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (NOIQH)
619
588. Close to all of those.
Seguin, named for Juan Seguin. The town has a big festival on his day. Nice courthouse and square, a lot of history. Still the armpit of Texas, however.
Seguin, named for Juan Seguin. The town has a big festival on his day. Nice courthouse and square, a lot of history. Still the armpit of Texas, however.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine. Glory to Kekistan! No Longer Accepting Harem Applicants at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (TwwWO)
620
It just hit noon here. Jim Beam, here I come. Might as well do something I'm good at.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks. Yes, I Know I Suck at May 10, 2017 11:52 AM (tVWQB)
621
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:49 AM (mpXpK)
Just remember, Windows is a Yankee product.
Or is it Southern? Can't recall.
You have to blame one of them, though.
Just remember, Windows is a Yankee product.
Or is it Southern? Can't recall.
You have to blame one of them, though.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 11:52 AM (CPk08)
622
613 There is a report out of the NY Post that the Trump Admin was shocked, shocked I say, that the left was against getting rid of Comey? They thought the left hates Comey and thought they's be on board?
It's about time PDT, The entire Trump Admin, and anyone on still clueless on the Right that the Left has only one aim: To destroy PDT and anyone on the Left.
Wake up assholes NOW
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (SjImc)
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They're trolling the left. They know what's going on.
It's about time PDT, The entire Trump Admin, and anyone on still clueless on the Right that the Left has only one aim: To destroy PDT and anyone on the Left.
Wake up assholes NOW
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (SjImc)
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They're trolling the left. They know what's going on.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:52 AM (mC1ZI)
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Senate Dems Threaten To Block Committee Hearings Over Comey Firing
Breitbart
Bring it on
It's WAR...Wake and smell the coffee
Breitbart
Bring it on
It's WAR...Wake and smell the coffee
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 11:53 AM (SjImc)
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Actually... Ft. Sumter was fired on because, contrary to an agreement with the South, the North was trying to reinforce the troops there.
The South started firing on the ships, the Fort thought IT was being fired on, and 'returned' fire... which led to the Fort being fired on in turn...
But please, continue in your ignorant and insulting manner, to disabuse those of us, who happen to know a bit more about it than you.
Posted by: Don Q.
Actually, no. The South fired at the ships first, and then the fort.
2. Please cite your source for "The North agreeing to not supply one of ITS OWN forts". That should be a hoot.
I noticed that you chose to ignore the point about slavery being enshrined by the Confederacy.
my point about Southern apologists stands, for now.
The South started firing on the ships, the Fort thought IT was being fired on, and 'returned' fire... which led to the Fort being fired on in turn...
But please, continue in your ignorant and insulting manner, to disabuse those of us, who happen to know a bit more about it than you.
Posted by: Don Q.
Actually, no. The South fired at the ships first, and then the fort.
2. Please cite your source for "The North agreeing to not supply one of ITS OWN forts". That should be a hoot.
I noticed that you chose to ignore the point about slavery being enshrined by the Confederacy.
my point about Southern apologists stands, for now.
Posted by: zombie Robert E. Lee at May 10, 2017 11:53 AM (326rv)
625
Claims to that land were based upon land grants and
claims made under the English Crown. There was no mechanism in the
Constitution for secession, and yet Virginia magically found it. People
in W Virginia ad higher mountains, so they had an even better
perspective with which to "find" the necessary mechanism. And they did
it peacefully too.
Also remember that Virginia decided that it had the right to steal
Federal installations and supplies, and imprison US troops who were
lawfully manning those installations.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (326rv)
And ALL of that is wrong. Virginia joined first the confederation of states and later the Republic as an independent state. They had the absolute right to dissolve those bonds.
Any land within Virginia, whether occupied bu Union troop or not, became foreign soil to those troops the minute the General Assembly voted to secede. Those troops should have left when told. They didn't so they were imprisoned.
claims made under the English Crown. There was no mechanism in the
Constitution for secession, and yet Virginia magically found it. People
in W Virginia ad higher mountains, so they had an even better
perspective with which to "find" the necessary mechanism. And they did
it peacefully too.
Also remember that Virginia decided that it had the right to steal
Federal installations and supplies, and imprison US troops who were
lawfully manning those installations.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 11:46 AM (326rv)
And ALL of that is wrong. Virginia joined first the confederation of states and later the Republic as an independent state. They had the absolute right to dissolve those bonds.
Any land within Virginia, whether occupied bu Union troop or not, became foreign soil to those troops the minute the General Assembly voted to secede. Those troops should have left when told. They didn't so they were imprisoned.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 11:53 AM (qf8IB)
626
Just remember, Windows is a Yankee product.
Or is it Southern? Can't recall.
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It's Californio.
Or is it Southern? Can't recall.
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It's Californio.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 11:53 AM (C52a9)
627
And no, I am not going to get into any discussion on the Civil War. I have had enough frustration for today. Next up will be my Mastercook program which I had to buy the latest version of because I lost my version 9 disk somewhere and it probably wouldn't run on Win 10 anyway.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:49 AM (mpXpK)
I think I see the source of your problem, Vic.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:49 AM (mpXpK)
I think I see the source of your problem, Vic.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 10, 2017 11:54 AM (0deF2)
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It's a sick, dysfunctional culture and I greatly resent that our country supports it.
Given the fracking trends, and the havoc that's playing with OPEC, and the possibility of opening up more oil drilling, we may not have to much longer.
Or, you know, a good old-fashioned succession crisis. Just to keep things extra interesting.
Given the fracking trends, and the havoc that's playing with OPEC, and the possibility of opening up more oil drilling, we may not have to much longer.
Or, you know, a good old-fashioned succession crisis. Just to keep things extra interesting.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 11:54 AM (0NdDF)
629
621
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:49 AM (mpXpK)
Just remember, Windows is a Yankee product.
Or is it Southern? Can't recall.
You have to blame one of them, though.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 11:52 AM (CPk0
It is a Western Product out of WA.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:49 AM (mpXpK)
Just remember, Windows is a Yankee product.
Or is it Southern? Can't recall.
You have to blame one of them, though.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 11:52 AM (CPk0
It is a Western Product out of WA.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:54 AM (mpXpK)
630
It's about time PDT, The entire Trump Admin, and anyone on still clueless on the Right that the Left has only one aim: To destroy PDT and anyone on the Left.
Wake up assholes NOW
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (SjImc)
Could you please send this to Princess Ivanka and Princess Jared?
Wake up assholes NOW
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (SjImc)
Could you please send this to Princess Ivanka and Princess Jared?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 11:54 AM (493sH)
631
They're trolling the left. They know what's going on.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:52 AM (mC1ZI)
Who knows? The RINOs , no they don't. And there are still many naive people in this Admin and on the "right"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:52 AM (mC1ZI)
Who knows? The RINOs , no they don't. And there are still many naive people in this Admin and on the "right"
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 11:54 AM (SjImc)
632
Actually... Ft. Sumter was fired on because, contrary to an agreement with the South, the North was trying to reinforce the troops there.
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who made this agreement?
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who made this agreement?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 11:54 AM (oGRue)
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617 Demoncrats are merely trying to erase the evidence of how they kept Africans in slavery for fear those they keep in slavery now might realized what is going on.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (YXV6f)
Excellent. Thank you Anna...and I'm stealing this for libtard discussions.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (YXV6f)
Excellent. Thank you Anna...and I'm stealing this for libtard discussions.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:54 AM (C/Ocx)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:55 AM (i/+aM)
635
Are too!
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 11:50 AM (C52a9)
Are not. I have said so multiple times, no one has refuted it, and so by all the laws of public discourse, evident to anyone who reads the news (or watches TeeVee) it is pretty much settled fact. Sucks to be you, but the science is settled.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 11:50 AM (C52a9)
Are not. I have said so multiple times, no one has refuted it, and so by all the laws of public discourse, evident to anyone who reads the news (or watches TeeVee) it is pretty much settled fact. Sucks to be you, but the science is settled.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 11:55 AM (CPk08)
636
a major reason for the union victory at gettysburg was they out-generaled the south. by the july, 1863, union leadership at the brigade, regiment and division levels were highly capable while the south had lost competent commanders by attrition.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 10, 2017 11:55 AM (WTSFk)
637
Did we ever figure out who was buying all that slave-picked cotton?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (fD1ST)
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633 617 Demoncrats are merely trying to erase the evidence of how they kept Africans in slavery for fear those they keep in slavery now might realized what is going on.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (YXV6f)
Excellent. Thank you Anna...and I'm stealing this for libtard discussions.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:54 AM (C/Ocx)
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Too many people believe that the parties switched sides in response to the vote on the Civil Rights Act to care.
People honestly believe that modern Democrats can trace their ideological lineage to Lincoln.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 10, 2017 11:51 AM (YXV6f)
Excellent. Thank you Anna...and I'm stealing this for libtard discussions.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:54 AM (C/Ocx)
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Too many people believe that the parties switched sides in response to the vote on the Civil Rights Act to care.
People honestly believe that modern Democrats can trace their ideological lineage to Lincoln.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (mC1ZI)
639
Ah...a hispanic product.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:55 AM (i/+aM)
Build that wall!!!!!!
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:55 AM (i/+aM)
Build that wall!!!!!!
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (CPk08)
640
637 Did we ever figure out who was buying all that slave-picked cotton?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (fD1ST)
Trumps ancestors.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (fD1ST)
Trumps ancestors.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (C/Ocx)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Abbot of St. Costello-on-the-Hurlingbone at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (9krrF)
642
And ALL of that is wrong. Virginia joined first the confederation of states and later the Republic as an independent state. They had the absolute right to dissolve those bonds.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 11:53 AM (qf8IB)
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They joined a "perpetual union". They had no such "right".
Perpetual is normally at least 100 years.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 11:53 AM (qf8IB)
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They joined a "perpetual union". They had no such "right".
Perpetual is normally at least 100 years.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (SsblQ)
643
637 Did we ever figure out who was buying all that slave-picked cotton?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (fD1ST)
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EVERYONE!!!!
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (fD1ST)
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EVERYONE!!!!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (mC1ZI)
644
Democrats never has slaves or wanted Comey fired
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (SjImc)
645
627 I think I see the source of your problem, Vic.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 10, 2017 11:54 AM (0deF2)
You can no longer buy a computer unless it has Windows 10. And you can not buy windows 7 and load it w/o deleting every thing on your hard drive and loading it from scratch.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 10, 2017 11:54 AM (0deF2)
You can no longer buy a computer unless it has Windows 10. And you can not buy windows 7 and load it w/o deleting every thing on your hard drive and loading it from scratch.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:57 AM (mpXpK)
646
"412
Yeah. Texas is still getting fucked to this day by Reconstruction.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:01 AM (o+pgY)
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In fairness, though the insane constitution of the State of Texas is
in large part a reaction to Reconstruction, it hardly seems fair to
blame it on Reconstruction."
And don't forget the good parts of the Texas Constitution - it was written by a bunch of guys who owed a lot of money to eastern bankers and who didn't want to pay it back, so it's still easier to stiff your debtors here than it is in any other state. No wage garnishment (except for child support) lots of restrictions on asset seizure, etc. If you owe a lot of money and don't see how to pay it back, Texas is the place you wanna be.
Yeah. Texas is still getting fucked to this day by Reconstruction.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:01 AM (o+pgY)
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In fairness, though the insane constitution of the State of Texas is
in large part a reaction to Reconstruction, it hardly seems fair to
blame it on Reconstruction."
And don't forget the good parts of the Texas Constitution - it was written by a bunch of guys who owed a lot of money to eastern bankers and who didn't want to pay it back, so it's still easier to stiff your debtors here than it is in any other state. No wage garnishment (except for child support) lots of restrictions on asset seizure, etc. If you owe a lot of money and don't see how to pay it back, Texas is the place you wanna be.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2017 11:57 AM (p8g4F)
647
Did we ever figure out who was buying all that slave-picked cotton?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (fD1ST)
As Eli Whitney said, get your cotton picking fingers off my gin
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (fD1ST)
As Eli Whitney said, get your cotton picking fingers off my gin
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 11:57 AM (493sH)
648
644 Democrats never has slaves or wanted Comey fired
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (SjImc)
===============
East Asia has always been at war with Oceania
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (SjImc)
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East Asia has always been at war with Oceania
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (mC1ZI)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (i/+aM)
650
Hey Morons! Charlottesville resident here!
I could write reams on the hullaballoo happening over this statue and the ROBERT E LEE STATUE! 3 of the 5 members of the Charlottesville City Council voted to REMOVE and RENAME said statue and park. There's a court injunction against the removal of the statue, HOWEVER no such protections against the renaming of Lee Park. Well, it just so happens that TODAY IS THE DEADLINE to place votes for the NEW NAME of Lee Park.
.
Place your votes here: http://charlottesville.org and click on the "In the Spotlight" box to the left. The correct names (i.e. what you should write-in) are "Robert Edward Lee Park" and Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson Park"
Do it NOW, Do IT! Get to da choppa!
VOTE!
I could write reams on the hullaballoo happening over this statue and the ROBERT E LEE STATUE! 3 of the 5 members of the Charlottesville City Council voted to REMOVE and RENAME said statue and park. There's a court injunction against the removal of the statue, HOWEVER no such protections against the renaming of Lee Park. Well, it just so happens that TODAY IS THE DEADLINE to place votes for the NEW NAME of Lee Park.
.
Place your votes here: http://charlottesville.org and click on the "In the Spotlight" box to the left. The correct names (i.e. what you should write-in) are "Robert Edward Lee Park" and Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson Park"
Do it NOW, Do IT! Get to da choppa!
VOTE!
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (FGZtn)
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (MIKMs)
652
Did we ever figure out who was buying all that slave-picked cotton?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (fD1ST)
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The damned British
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (fD1ST)
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The damned British
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (SsblQ)
653
If Vic doesn't have to declare a side on this, then neither do I.
Posted by: Hikaru at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (9TK8E)
654
And Jen,
It's not 'hate' for Herridge.
It's disappointment.
Yet again.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 11:34 AM (C52a9)
I understand. My disappointment isn't with Herridge stating "Russian influence" as much as it is with Congress spending the time and effort to convene FIVE committees all tasked with finding out exactly how Russia "influenced" the election.
She is reporting what the committees are actually searching for. Something that has been known for two decades, that the Russians are consistently trying to hack and access secure servers, and internet networks of the US gov. and US corporations.
None of these congress people gave one whit about this hacking until the Democrats had their idiot chairman GIVE his password to a phishing scheme that opened his email up to a hacker who copied it. Who then gave it Julian Assange, who has said repeatedly that it wasn't the Russians, it was a DNC staffer. And Assange then released them for all to read.
The Dems went berserk, because finally there was proof in writing of what we all knew, that Debbie WS had actively worked with the Clinton campaign to block Bernie Sanders, that Podesta was orchestrating Clinton's speeches, etc. And now all the Dems were screaming about Russian "influence".
It has been almost 12 months since this happened, and we have five committees all preening in front of TV's daily talking about "Russian influence", Dems still screaming that Hillary lost because of "Russian influence" a duly nominated and approved Atty Gen . who had to recuse himself from any Russian influence investigation because he met with a Russian envoy in his office that was recorded then leaked by the previous corrupt administration, etc.
So is it any wonder that a journalist uses the words, Russian influence?
It's not 'hate' for Herridge.
It's disappointment.
Yet again.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at May 10, 2017 11:34 AM (C52a9)
I understand. My disappointment isn't with Herridge stating "Russian influence" as much as it is with Congress spending the time and effort to convene FIVE committees all tasked with finding out exactly how Russia "influenced" the election.
She is reporting what the committees are actually searching for. Something that has been known for two decades, that the Russians are consistently trying to hack and access secure servers, and internet networks of the US gov. and US corporations.
None of these congress people gave one whit about this hacking until the Democrats had their idiot chairman GIVE his password to a phishing scheme that opened his email up to a hacker who copied it. Who then gave it Julian Assange, who has said repeatedly that it wasn't the Russians, it was a DNC staffer. And Assange then released them for all to read.
The Dems went berserk, because finally there was proof in writing of what we all knew, that Debbie WS had actively worked with the Clinton campaign to block Bernie Sanders, that Podesta was orchestrating Clinton's speeches, etc. And now all the Dems were screaming about Russian "influence".
It has been almost 12 months since this happened, and we have five committees all preening in front of TV's daily talking about "Russian influence", Dems still screaming that Hillary lost because of "Russian influence" a duly nominated and approved Atty Gen . who had to recuse himself from any Russian influence investigation because he met with a Russian envoy in his office that was recorded then leaked by the previous corrupt administration, etc.
So is it any wonder that a journalist uses the words, Russian influence?
Posted by: Jen the original at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (bJ+bK)
655
Ok I'm going to consider bantering with y'all reprobates 'writing'. Now more cawfee and editing. Luego.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (C/Ocx)
656
>>637
Did we ever figure out who was buying all that slave-picked cotton? Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (fD1ST)
George Soros. The man is....nefarious.
Did we ever figure out who was buying all that slave-picked cotton? Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (fD1ST)
George Soros. The man is....nefarious.
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (Bdeb0)
657
People honestly believe that modern Democrats can trace their ideological lineage to Lincoln.
Define "modern".
50 years ago you had LBJ tying blacks to the Dem plantation.
60 years ago you had the Klan.
Define "modern".
50 years ago you had LBJ tying blacks to the Dem plantation.
60 years ago you had the Klan.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (o+pgY)
658
Shoot, the thing about "cultural appropriation" is hilarious. Do you speak English? French? Yah- got that bit. Stop speaking English, French, Spanish, Portuguese. Go back to your language freak show. If I can't cook a meal the incorporates a single thing from your culture, then don't appropriate my culture stupid idiots.
Posted by: Grapeape at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (MutLO)
Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (cjXKD)
660
I suppose the playing of " what if" with History is endless.
" What if" the country had been divided in 1860 something? Would the parts have been able to expand to the Pacific, with all that entailed.? Would the divided continent have been able to withstand Imperial Japan, and Nazi Germany, some decades later?
Would divided America have been able to face down Soviet and Chinese Communism?
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (zSVEm)
Here's one for you:
WHAT IF...
A Genghis Khan-like leader arose among the native Americans taround 1650 or so, managed to unite all of the various native tribes into one gigantic army, and conducted all-out war on the European colonists and pushed the lot of them into the sea?
" What if" the country had been divided in 1860 something? Would the parts have been able to expand to the Pacific, with all that entailed.? Would the divided continent have been able to withstand Imperial Japan, and Nazi Germany, some decades later?
Would divided America have been able to face down Soviet and Chinese Communism?
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (zSVEm)
Here's one for you:
WHAT IF...
A Genghis Khan-like leader arose among the native Americans taround 1650 or so, managed to unite all of the various native tribes into one gigantic army, and conducted all-out war on the European colonists and pushed the lot of them into the sea?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 10, 2017 11:59 AM (sH2Lb)
661
"It's California."
Ah...a hispanic product.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:55 AM (i/+aM)
Al Sharpton: We made it in Africa until them California homos stole it from us
Ah...a hispanic product.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 10, 2017 11:55 AM (i/+aM)
Al Sharpton: We made it in Africa until them California homos stole it from us
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 11:59 AM (493sH)
662
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2017 11:57 AM (p8g4F)
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Now I need to go back and read the whole damned thing again.
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Now I need to go back and read the whole damned thing again.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:59 AM (SsblQ)
663
I propose a new rule.
Anybody who wants to engage in a spirited discussion of the Civil War MUST know how to spell the wordseccession, er seccesion, er sucession, er suxxeshion...
...ah, screw it. Go ahead and argue away!
Anybody who wants to engage in a spirited discussion of the Civil War MUST know how to spell the word
...ah, screw it. Go ahead and argue away!
Posted by: Muldoon at May 10, 2017 12:00 PM (wPiJc)
664
... the south simply could not replace their lost officers.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 10, 2017 12:00 PM (WTSFk)
665
They joined a "perpetual union". They had no such "right".
Perpetual is normally at least 100 years.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (SsblQ)
Show me anything in the Constitution that a) says it is perpetual and b) takes away the states' right to leave the same way they came in.
The Constitution did not have to have language that allowed the leaving. If the right to join fell to the states so did the right to leave.
Perpetual is normally at least 100 years.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (SsblQ)
Show me anything in the Constitution that a) says it is perpetual and b) takes away the states' right to leave the same way they came in.
The Constitution did not have to have language that allowed the leaving. If the right to join fell to the states so did the right to leave.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:00 PM (qf8IB)
666
657 People honestly believe that modern Democrats can trace their ideological lineage to Lincoln.
Define "modern".
50 years ago you had LBJ tying blacks to the Dem plantation.
60 years ago you had the Klan.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (o+pgY)
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Nancy Pelosi and Kamala Harris.
My wife told me that Republicans from the Civil War had nothing to do with Republicans today. I laughed at her.
She knows that I know more about American history than she does.
Define "modern".
50 years ago you had LBJ tying blacks to the Dem plantation.
60 years ago you had the Klan.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (o+pgY)
==============
Nancy Pelosi and Kamala Harris.
My wife told me that Republicans from the Civil War had nothing to do with Republicans today. I laughed at her.
She knows that I know more about American history than she does.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 12:00 PM (mC1ZI)
667
Amazing how quickly the Left went from laughing about the Russians as a threat to "Oh ma gerd the Russians are everywhere!"But than the Left is known for turning on a dime...
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 12:01 PM (r/0kC)
668
A Genghis Khan-like leader arose among the native Americans taround 1650 or so, managed to unite all of the various native tribes into one gigantic army, and conducted all-out war on the European colonists and pushed the lot of them into the sea?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 10, 2017 11:59 AM (sH2Lb)
It would have happened sooner instead of like in the coming 50 years.
A Genghis Khan-like leader arose among the native Americans taround 1650 or so, managed to unite all of the various native tribes into one gigantic army, and conducted all-out war on the European colonists and pushed the lot of them into the sea?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 10, 2017 11:59 AM (sH2Lb)
It would have happened sooner instead of like in the coming 50 years.
Posted by: Some Moron at May 10, 2017 12:01 PM (C/Ocx)
669
You can no longer buy a computer unless it has Windows 10. And you can not buy windows 7 and load it w/o deleting every thing on your hard drive and loading it from scratch.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:57 AM (mpXpK)
Sure you can. You can buy a PC with no OS installed, and then install your pick. If you still have Win 7 install disc, you can do that. But the current run of Linux distros is so good, there is really no need, unless you have to run legacy software meant for Linux.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:57 AM (mpXpK)
Sure you can. You can buy a PC with no OS installed, and then install your pick. If you still have Win 7 install disc, you can do that. But the current run of Linux distros is so good, there is really no need, unless you have to run legacy software meant for Linux.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 10, 2017 12:01 PM (0deF2)
670
Too many people believe that the parties switched sides in response to the vote on the Civil Rights Act to care.
People honestly believe that modern Democrats can trace their ideological lineage to Lincoln.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (mC1ZI)
It's hilarious tell those folks to look at the slave states' governors.
We keep being continually told that there was some "flip," but somehow FDR and Kennedy were both (D)s, and somehow the slave states didn't start electing (R) governors until the last couple of decades.
Too many people believe that the parties switched sides in response to the vote on the Civil Rights Act to care.
People honestly believe that modern Democrats can trace their ideological lineage to Lincoln.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (mC1ZI)
It's hilarious tell those folks to look at the slave states' governors.
We keep being continually told that there was some "flip," but somehow FDR and Kennedy were both (D)s, and somehow the slave states didn't start electing (R) governors until the last couple of decades.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 12:01 PM (fD1ST)
671
The New Orleans Times-Picayune newspaper was sold a few years ago to an out-of-state conglomerate, stopped publishing an actual newspaper and became little more than a race-baiting SJW blog.
Same thing happening to papers everywhere.
The New Orleans Times-Picayune newspaper was sold a few years ago to an out-of-state conglomerate, stopped publishing an actual newspaper and became little more than a race-baiting SJW blog.
Same thing happening to papers everywhere.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 12:01 PM (IqV8l)
672
669 You can no longer buy a computer unless it has Windows 10. And you can not buy windows 7 and load it w/o deleting every thing on your hard drive and loading it from scratch.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:57 AM (mpXpK)
Sure you can. You can buy a PC with no OS installed, and then install your pick. If you still have Win 7 install disc, you can do that. But the current run of Linux distros is so good, there is really no need, unless you have to run legacy software meant for Linux.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 10, 2017 12:01 PM (0deF2)
===============
It's also a generally good idea to format the hard drive of a new computer anyway.
Gets rid of pre-installed spyware.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:57 AM (mpXpK)
Sure you can. You can buy a PC with no OS installed, and then install your pick. If you still have Win 7 install disc, you can do that. But the current run of Linux distros is so good, there is really no need, unless you have to run legacy software meant for Linux.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 10, 2017 12:01 PM (0deF2)
===============
It's also a generally good idea to format the hard drive of a new computer anyway.
Gets rid of pre-installed spyware.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 12:02 PM (mC1ZI)
673
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Thanks.
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Posted by: Anna Puma at May 10, 2017 12:02 PM (YXV6f)
674
670 It's hilarious tell those folks to look at the slave states' governors.
We keep being continually told that there was some "flip," but somehow FDR and Kennedy were both (D)s, and somehow the slave states didn't start electing (R) governors until the last couple of decades.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 12:01 PM (fD1ST)
==============
I always use, "So, modern Republicans love FDR and Woodrow Wilson while modern Democrats love Coolidge, right?"
We keep being continually told that there was some "flip," but somehow FDR and Kennedy were both (D)s, and somehow the slave states didn't start electing (R) governors until the last couple of decades.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 12:01 PM (fD1ST)
==============
I always use, "So, modern Republicans love FDR and Woodrow Wilson while modern Democrats love Coolidge, right?"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 12:02 PM (mC1ZI)
675
The Constitution did not have to have language that allowed the leaving. If the right to join fell to the states so did the right to leave.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:00 PM (qf8IB)
--------------------------------
I will simply refer you to the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordnance of 1787, and all the other laws establishing new incorporated territories in turn referring to the NW Ordnance.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:00 PM (qf8IB)
--------------------------------
I will simply refer you to the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordnance of 1787, and all the other laws establishing new incorporated territories in turn referring to the NW Ordnance.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:02 PM (SsblQ)
676
They joined a "perpetual union". They had no such "right".
Perpetual is normally at least 100 years.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (SsblQ)
Ok, so we've passed the test.
Time to bail.
Perpetual is normally at least 100 years.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (SsblQ)
Ok, so we've passed the test.
Time to bail.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 12:02 PM (Jcg9Q)
677
People honestly believe that modern Democrats can trace their ideological lineage to Lincoln.
Didn't Northern Illinois University or some college in Illinois have a Lincoln statue or plaque that said he was a Democrat?
Didn't Northern Illinois University or some college in Illinois have a Lincoln statue or plaque that said he was a Democrat?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 12:03 PM (493sH)
678
I propose a new rule.
Anybody who wants to engage in a spirited discussion of the Civil War MUST know how to spell the word seccession, er seccesion, er sucession, er suxxeshion...
...ah, screw it. Go ahead and argue away!
Posted by: Muldoon at May 10, 2017 12:00 PM (wPiJc)
I was reliably informed that there would be no spell check on this thread:-P
Anybody who wants to engage in a spirited discussion of the Civil War MUST know how to spell the word seccession, er seccesion, er sucession, er suxxeshion...
...ah, screw it. Go ahead and argue away!
Posted by: Muldoon at May 10, 2017 12:00 PM (wPiJc)
I was reliably informed that there would be no spell check on this thread:-P
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:03 PM (qf8IB)
679
658 Shoot, the thing about "cultural appropriation" is hilarious. Do you speak English? French? Yah- got that bit. Stop speaking English, French, Spanish, Portuguese. Go back to your language freak show. If I can't cook a meal the incorporates a single thing from your culture, then don't appropriate my culture stupid idiots.
Posted by: Grapeape at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (MutLO)
If cultural appropriation is an evil, I suggest that all Christians and Muslims GIVE US JEWS OUR BOOKS BACK.
But note: that sounds like a retarded cry-baby demand, if made seriously. And it is! Like all "cultural appropriation" arguments.
Posted by: Grapeape at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (MutLO)
If cultural appropriation is an evil, I suggest that all Christians and Muslims GIVE US JEWS OUR BOOKS BACK.
But note: that sounds like a retarded cry-baby demand, if made seriously. And it is! Like all "cultural appropriation" arguments.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:03 PM (CPk08)
680
Show me anything in the Constitution that a) says it is perpetual and b) takes away the states' right to leave the same way they came in.
The Constitution did not have to have language that allowed the leaving. If the right to join fell to the states so did the right to leave.
Posted by: redbanzai
The Constitution is a suicide pact and you must die with the yankees & the Californicators!
/s
The Constitution did not have to have language that allowed the leaving. If the right to join fell to the states so did the right to leave.
Posted by: redbanzai
The Constitution is a suicide pact and you must die with the yankees & the Californicators!
/s
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 12:03 PM (o+pgY)
681
Stonewall Jackson ordered his troops to pay farmers for fence rails they burned to parch their corn. Same corn the mules ate.
Posted by: Eromero at May 10, 2017 12:03 PM (zLDYs)
682
You can no longer buy a computer unless it has Windows 10. And you can not buy windows 7 and load it w/o deleting every thing on your hard drive and loading it from scratch.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:57 AM (mpXpK)
For my new work computer I was given the choice of Windows 10 or Mac. I went with Mac. Windows 10 ruined my Alienware laptop, and I'll never willingly touch another Microsoft product again.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:57 AM (mpXpK)
For my new work computer I was given the choice of Windows 10 or Mac. I went with Mac. Windows 10 ruined my Alienware laptop, and I'll never willingly touch another Microsoft product again.
Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks. Yes, I Know I Suck at May 10, 2017 12:03 PM (tVWQB)
683
Guys, the bigger story is about the ROBERT E LEE STATUE in Lee Park. The Jackson statue isn't going anywhere. And for the next 6 months the Lee Statue is safe. We believe that the judge will ultimately decide in favor of retaining in place as the statue is protected by VA Law.
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:04 PM (FGZtn)
684
658 Shoot, the thing about "cultural appropriation" is hilarious. Do you speak English? French? Yah- got that bit. Stop speaking English, French, Spanish, Portuguese. Go back to your language freak show. If I can't cook a meal the incorporates a single thing from your culture, then don't appropriate my culture stupid idiots.
Posted by: Grapeape at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (MutLO)
Word...leave our pizza alone!
Posted by: Grapeape at May 10, 2017 11:58 AM (MutLO)
Word...leave our pizza alone!
Posted by: Eyetalians Union Post 305 at May 10, 2017 12:04 PM (C/Ocx)
685
I will simply refer you to the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordnance of 1787, and all the other laws establishing new incorporated territories in turn referring to the NW Ordnance.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:02 PM (SsblQ)
Again I say, fuck that shit.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:02 PM (SsblQ)
Again I say, fuck that shit.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 12:04 PM (Jcg9Q)
686
Democrats never has slaves or wanted Comey fired
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (SjImc)
Don't forget that we've always been at war with Eastasia
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 11:56 AM (SjImc)
Don't forget that we've always been at war with Eastasia
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 12:04 PM (493sH)
687
669 Sure you can. You can buy a PC with no OS
installed, and then install your pick. If you still have Win 7 install
disc, you can do that. But the current run of Linux distros is so good,
there is really no need, unless you have to run legacy software meant
for Linux.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 10, 2017 12:01 PM (0deF2)
I have not seen one unless Dell or someone mail order has one. This new one was bought at Walmart and it was take what you can get.
installed, and then install your pick. If you still have Win 7 install
disc, you can do that. But the current run of Linux distros is so good,
there is really no need, unless you have to run legacy software meant
for Linux.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 10, 2017 12:01 PM (0deF2)
I have not seen one unless Dell or someone mail order has one. This new one was bought at Walmart and it was take what you can get.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 12:04 PM (mpXpK)
688
Sidebar has a new story.
'Higher' educamacation and 'Pee Privilege'
"Teacher! Leave those kids alone!"
'Higher' educamacation and 'Pee Privilege'
"Teacher! Leave those kids alone!"
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 10, 2017 12:04 PM (YXV6f)
Posted by: Eyetalians Union Post 305 at May 10, 2017 12:04 PM (C/Ocx)
690
What's with McCain and his 'more shoes to drop" in the Russia/Election story? Wtf? If McCain knows anything, then come out with it ! Put up or shut up. Why is he beating the drum on this thing?
Posted by: The Media at May 10, 2017 12:04 PM (7uYFy)
691
Donate TODAY to save the ROBERT E LEE statue
https://www.themonumentfund.org/
I already gave $25
https://www.themonumentfund.org/
I already gave $25
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:05 PM (FGZtn)
692
You can no longer buy a computer unless it has Windows 10. And you can not buy windows 7 and load it w/o deleting every thing on your hard drive and loading it from scratch.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:57 AM (mpXpK)
Sure you can. You can buy a PC with no OS installed, and then install your pick.
You can also buy a refurb from Amazon etc. with Win 7 on it for quite reasonable prices. Talking about desktop machine. Don't know about laptops since I have no use for one of those.
You can no longer buy a computer unless it has Windows 10. And you can not buy windows 7 and load it w/o deleting every thing on your hard drive and loading it from scratch.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 11:57 AM (mpXpK)
Sure you can. You can buy a PC with no OS installed, and then install your pick.
You can also buy a refurb from Amazon etc. with Win 7 on it for quite reasonable prices. Talking about desktop machine. Don't know about laptops since I have no use for one of those.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 12:05 PM (IqV8l)
693
https://www.themonumentfund.org/
Save the Robert E Lee Statue
Save the Robert E Lee Statue
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:06 PM (FGZtn)
Posted by: The Twelfth of Never at May 10, 2017 12:07 PM (wPiJc)
695
"By 1860, 90 percent of the nation's manufacturing output came from northern states. The North produced 17 times more cotton and woolen textiles than the South"
https://www.nps.gov/articles/industry-and-economy-
during-the-civil-war.htm
Hmm. That's interesting.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/industry-and-economy-
during-the-civil-war.htm
Hmm. That's interesting.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 12:07 PM (fD1ST)
696
Sidebar has a new story.
'Higher' educamacation and 'Pee Privilege'
"Teacher! Leave those kids alone!"
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 10, 2017 12:04 PM (YXV6f)
I heard that this morning about the university in Arizona. The lunatics are running the asylum
'Higher' educamacation and 'Pee Privilege'
"Teacher! Leave those kids alone!"
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 10, 2017 12:04 PM (YXV6f)
I heard that this morning about the university in Arizona. The lunatics are running the asylum
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 12:07 PM (493sH)
697
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now luxuriating in vast pools of winning! at May 10, 2017 11:45 AM (kXoT0)
Agreed, I was just stating the legal position not what actually happens. Agreed also that sharia makes true liberty impossible. When certain classes of people are automatically *less human* there is no incentive to help them. I knew Desert Storm had been betrayed when both Iraq and Afghanistan were allowed to create "sharia compliant" constitutions.
Agreed, I was just stating the legal position not what actually happens. Agreed also that sharia makes true liberty impossible. When certain classes of people are automatically *less human* there is no incentive to help them. I knew Desert Storm had been betrayed when both Iraq and Afghanistan were allowed to create "sharia compliant" constitutions.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 10, 2017 12:07 PM (sEDyY)
698
https://www.themonumentfund.org/
Save the Robert E Lee statue in Lee Park, Charlottesville, VA
(Jackson statue isn't going anywhere. The city voted to sell and move the Robert E Lee statue to the "less urban" park of town. It's currently downtown.)
Save the Robert E Lee statue in Lee Park, Charlottesville, VA
(Jackson statue isn't going anywhere. The city voted to sell and move the Robert E Lee statue to the "less urban" park of town. It's currently downtown.)
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:07 PM (FGZtn)
699
How did we ever let this PC nonsense get traction?
Posted by: Grapeape at May 10, 2017 11:50 AM (MutLO)
Public schools. They got taken over 30 years ago and the indoctrination began. The damage that's been done is hard to fathom.
Posted by: Grapeape at May 10, 2017 11:50 AM (MutLO)
Public schools. They got taken over 30 years ago and the indoctrination began. The damage that's been done is hard to fathom.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 10, 2017 12:08 PM (UBzPO)
700
John McCain is mentally ill.
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 12:08 PM (r/0kC)
701
...ah, screw it. Go ahead and argue away!
Secesh, right?
My paternal line came to California from Alberta about the time the Late Unpleasantness was winding up, my maternal line met on the boat from France (no 'This Song Will Go On' shit, they were third-class) one step ahead of Kaiser Bill's (II) Huns. Hitler and Tojo are responsible for USAAF-draftee Tab A meeting civilian airbase employee Slot B. So I have no personal investment in the Civil War.
But, shit, I'm here, it's still my history. We laugh at the Germans trying to erase Nazi shit everywhere, but now we've got clowns here doing the same thing.
Secesh, right?
My paternal line came to California from Alberta about the time the Late Unpleasantness was winding up, my maternal line met on the boat from France (no 'This Song Will Go On' shit, they were third-class) one step ahead of Kaiser Bill's (II) Huns. Hitler and Tojo are responsible for USAAF-draftee Tab A meeting civilian airbase employee Slot B. So I have no personal investment in the Civil War.
But, shit, I'm here, it's still my history. We laugh at the Germans trying to erase Nazi shit everywhere, but now we've got clowns here doing the same thing.
Posted by: JEM at May 10, 2017 12:08 PM (TppKb)
702
ACE, CBD, the story is about the Robert E Lee statue and park!
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:08 PM (FGZtn)
703
I have not seen one unless Dell or someone mail order has one. This new one was bought at Walmart and it was take what you can get.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 12:04 PM (mpXpK)
Well, there you go. Try shopping at an actual computer store. I buy the parts and assemble my own, but the stores that sell the parts usually have geeks on staff who will build one for you. Talking desktops here. I don't know if unloaded laptops exist, but you sure can wipe the HD and install Linux.
Plus you save a lot of money. You could probably build a hot Linux desktop box for under $300.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 12:04 PM (mpXpK)
Well, there you go. Try shopping at an actual computer store. I buy the parts and assemble my own, but the stores that sell the parts usually have geeks on staff who will build one for you. Talking desktops here. I don't know if unloaded laptops exist, but you sure can wipe the HD and install Linux.
Plus you save a lot of money. You could probably build a hot Linux desktop box for under $300.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 10, 2017 12:08 PM (0deF2)
704
They had the absolute right to dissolve those bonds.
Any land within Virginia, whether occupied bu Union troop or not, became foreign soil to those troops the minute the General Assembly voted to secede. Those troops should have left when told. They didn't so they were imprisoned.
Posted by: redbanzai
If Virginia was independent, they had no authority to order anyone else. And they still didn't have any right to steal anything. That's why Ft. Sumter became the issue that it did. The military installation of a country, ANY country is just that. Seizing it is an act of war. Firing upon it? Kinda more so.
This was the problem the Confederacy faced. They convinced themselves that they were so lofty and righteous, and then did things a sovereign state would. Including committing multiple acts of war. But that's not a happy fit, so all of those acts of war were ignored.
It's very telling what you chose to ignore. And don't forget the repudiation of debt. That's another factor that Southern apologists ignore.
Any land within Virginia, whether occupied bu Union troop or not, became foreign soil to those troops the minute the General Assembly voted to secede. Those troops should have left when told. They didn't so they were imprisoned.
Posted by: redbanzai
If Virginia was independent, they had no authority to order anyone else. And they still didn't have any right to steal anything. That's why Ft. Sumter became the issue that it did. The military installation of a country, ANY country is just that. Seizing it is an act of war. Firing upon it? Kinda more so.
This was the problem the Confederacy faced. They convinced themselves that they were so lofty and righteous, and then did things a sovereign state would. Including committing multiple acts of war. But that's not a happy fit, so all of those acts of war were ignored.
It's very telling what you chose to ignore. And don't forget the repudiation of debt. That's another factor that Southern apologists ignore.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 12:08 PM (326rv)
705
325
-----
I disagree.
Despite the losses in Pickets charge.... elements of the assault
made it to the crest and there was intense hand to hand fighting in the
Union positions. If there was Cavalry loose in the rear of those
positions.... the Confederates would have easily held their gains.
-------------
Good point. I would also point out that the charge was not big
enough to succeed. Attacking a fortified position generally requires at
least a three to one advantage.
More importantly, the CSA artillery preparatory fires were largely ineffective, due to defective fuses and inadequate observation of those fires by the CSA. That led to insuffiencient ammunition to be fired during the attack itself. The main obstacle (rail fences along Emmitsburg Rd) was not breached, causing delay and disruption of attacking regiments.
I think that success for such an attack was quite possible, if properly executed.
-----
I disagree.
Despite the losses in Pickets charge.... elements of the assault
made it to the crest and there was intense hand to hand fighting in the
Union positions. If there was Cavalry loose in the rear of those
positions.... the Confederates would have easily held their gains.
-------------
Good point. I would also point out that the charge was not big
enough to succeed. Attacking a fortified position generally requires at
least a three to one advantage.
More importantly, the CSA artillery preparatory fires were largely ineffective, due to defective fuses and inadequate observation of those fires by the CSA. That led to insuffiencient ammunition to be fired during the attack itself. The main obstacle (rail fences along Emmitsburg Rd) was not breached, causing delay and disruption of attacking regiments.
I think that success for such an attack was quite possible, if properly executed.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at May 10, 2017 12:09 PM (di1hb)
706
I think I will close this thread and wait for Ace to come up later.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 10, 2017 12:09 PM (mpXpK)
707
After a hundred years a perpetual motion clock is right only twice a day.
Posted by: Muldoon at May 10, 2017 12:09 PM (wPiJc)
708
Mint is a nice and intuitive way to get into Linux. Load it onto a USB using Rufus and you can just boot into at startup and switch back to Windows when you need to use something specific to that OS.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 12:09 PM (fD1ST)
709
I told and begged Longstreet to let me and my boys go further to the right around that little hill. But no! We had to go straight up into the teeth of them damn Yankee lines.
Posted by: Gen John Hood, Texas Brigade at May 10, 2017 12:09 PM (JO9+V)
710
Wow...700+ comments.
Hey, OM, do you still have that article I sent you a couple weeks ago?
Could be a decent place holder if Ace is still sleeping.
Hey, OM, do you still have that article I sent you a couple weeks ago?
Could be a decent place holder if Ace is still sleeping.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at May 10, 2017 12:10 PM (mC1ZI)
711
I'm currently reading Bruce Catton's Civil War trilogy and WOW can this guy write.
The poor Army of the Potomac. As Catton points out, the most insane thing about Fredericksburg is that the Union soldiers kept on coming.
The poor Army of the Potomac. As Catton points out, the most insane thing about Fredericksburg is that the Union soldiers kept on coming.
Posted by: most deplorable Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at May 10, 2017 12:10 PM (nXCp4)
712
I will simply refer you to the Articles of
Confederation, the Northwest Ordnance of 1787, and all the other laws
establishing new incorporated territories in turn referring to the NW
Ordnance.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:02 PM (SsblQ)
Neither of those documents prohibited states from leaving a union they freely joined.
Confederation, the Northwest Ordnance of 1787, and all the other laws
establishing new incorporated territories in turn referring to the NW
Ordnance.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:02 PM (SsblQ)
Neither of those documents prohibited states from leaving a union they freely joined.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:10 PM (qf8IB)
713
A $300 ThinkPad (T420 or so?) on ebay with Linux might be the way to go.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 12:10 PM (fD1ST)
714
Earlier someone brought up how the Civil War was a "dress rehearsal" for WW1. It's interesting that Georges Clemenceau who ran France during that war was a young journalist who covered the Civil War for a French newspaper....
Posted by: The Media at May 10, 2017 12:10 PM (7uYFy)
715
But, shit, I'm here, it's still my history. We laugh at the Germans trying to erase Nazi shit everywhere, but now we've got clowns here doing the same thing.
Posted by: JEM at May 10, 2017 12:08 PM (TppKb)
Preeeecisely.
Posted by: JEM at May 10, 2017 12:08 PM (TppKb)
Preeeecisely.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:11 PM (CPk08)
716
I run Ubuntu on this laptop. Zero dollars for a rock solid operating system.
I run Ubuntu on this laptop. Zero dollars for a rock solid operating system.
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at May 10, 2017 12:11 PM (HTdUD)
717
Neither of those documents prohibited states from leaving a union they freely joined.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:10 PM (qf8IB)
----------------
Have you read them? They clearly do so.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:10 PM (qf8IB)
----------------
Have you read them? They clearly do so.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:11 PM (SsblQ)
718
GEN John Allen, USMC (yes, the one who lobbied for HRC at the DNC convention) would tell the U.S. Naval Academy midshipmen all the time while I attended ('01-'05) and he was commandant that we should model ourselves after... wait for it... ROBERT E LEE!
Now the lefties want to tear it down. Donate to the monument fund https://www.themonumentfund.org/ , write in your vote for the new name of the Lee Park to "Robert Edward Lee Park" and Jackson Park to "Thomas Jonathan Jackson Park"
http://charlottesville.org
Now the lefties want to tear it down. Donate to the monument fund https://www.themonumentfund.org/ , write in your vote for the new name of the Lee Park to "Robert Edward Lee Park" and Jackson Park to "Thomas Jonathan Jackson Park"
http://charlottesville.org
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:11 PM (FGZtn)
719
Whatever hobo-sniffing, value-rite chugging mid-morning, kaboom-cereal-inhaling, blow-it-off blogger is doing these blogs needs to UPDATE their story to reflect that it's the ROBERT E LEE statue that's under threat of removal.
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:13 PM (FGZtn)
720
Holy crap. I just did a quick ebay search and you can get T420 and T430 Thinkpads for $100-$150 with no OS.
They have f*cking phenomenal keyboards. I might grab one myself to run Mint on exclusively.
They have f*cking phenomenal keyboards. I might grab one myself to run Mint on exclusively.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 12:13 PM (fD1ST)
721
Probably should get back to writing more of the next Tanya Winters story.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 10, 2017 12:14 PM (YXV6f)
722
Isn't this EXACTLY what the Taliban does when they get control of an area, or a country? They destroy all evidence of any link to the past of that area.
Posted by: Boots at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (EBwPV)
And the SJWs have the chutzpah to call the Tea Party the "American Taliban".
Posted by: Boots at May 10, 2017 11:09 AM (EBwPV)
And the SJWs have the chutzpah to call the Tea Party the "American Taliban".
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 10, 2017 12:15 PM (sH2Lb)
723
By 1860, 90 percent of the nation's manufacturing
output came from northern states. The North produced 17 times more
cotton and woolen textiles than the South"
https://www.nps.gov/articles/industry-and-economy-
during-the-civil-war.htm
Hmm. That's interesting.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 12:07 PM (fD1ST)
They produced far more textiles but almost no raw materials. A large part of the South's beef with the North was Congress passing tariffs and other laws aimed at forcing the South to stop selling the raw goods they grew to other countries like England (and stopping their purchase of finished goods that were not Northern produced).
output came from northern states. The North produced 17 times more
cotton and woolen textiles than the South"
https://www.nps.gov/articles/industry-and-economy-
during-the-civil-war.htm
Hmm. That's interesting.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 12:07 PM (fD1ST)
They produced far more textiles but almost no raw materials. A large part of the South's beef with the North was Congress passing tariffs and other laws aimed at forcing the South to stop selling the raw goods they grew to other countries like England (and stopping their purchase of finished goods that were not Northern produced).
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:15 PM (qf8IB)
724
By 1860, 90 percent of the nation's manufacturing output came from northern states. The North produced 17 times more cotton and woolen textiles than the South"
https://www.nps.gov/articles/industry-and-economy-
during-the-civil-war.htm
The Union also had millions of feisty Irish and German ( and Italian , as i was surprised to find out recently) immigrants to use as cannon fodder....
https://www.nps.gov/articles/industry-and-economy-
during-the-civil-war.htm
The Union also had millions of feisty Irish and German ( and Italian , as i was surprised to find out recently) immigrants to use as cannon fodder....
Posted by: The Media at May 10, 2017 12:15 PM (7uYFy)
725
Would divided America have been able to face down Soviet and Chinese Communism?
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (zSVEm)
Well, a divided America would never have entered WW1, resulting in a win for Kaiser's Germany. If that's the way things went, it's very unlikely that there would ever have been a Soviet Russia, or a Stalin, or a Mao. And with Germany taking over France's colonial holdings after a 1917 victory, the response to unrest in colonial Indochina is likely to have been far harsher, somewhat akin to the what the Germans did in Tanzania when they had the chance. IOW, no Vietnam war, at least not for long. Possibly a Vietnam genocide, but who would care about that in such a world?
Japan would still have been a problem, but without a WW2 they may not have been so bold. It would be doubtful that the Army of the CSA could have held on to the Phillipines by themselves. That's who would have been there after they took the old Spanish Holdings and made Cuba a new Confederate State.
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 11:48 AM (zSVEm)
Well, a divided America would never have entered WW1, resulting in a win for Kaiser's Germany. If that's the way things went, it's very unlikely that there would ever have been a Soviet Russia, or a Stalin, or a Mao. And with Germany taking over France's colonial holdings after a 1917 victory, the response to unrest in colonial Indochina is likely to have been far harsher, somewhat akin to the what the Germans did in Tanzania when they had the chance. IOW, no Vietnam war, at least not for long. Possibly a Vietnam genocide, but who would care about that in such a world?
Japan would still have been a problem, but without a WW2 they may not have been so bold. It would be doubtful that the Army of the CSA could have held on to the Phillipines by themselves. That's who would have been there after they took the old Spanish Holdings and made Cuba a new Confederate State.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2017 12:15 PM (p8g4F)
726
my point about Southern apologists stands, for now.
Posted by: zombie Robert E. Lee at May 10, 2017 11:53 AM (326rv)
SC had declared it's independence and requested that the foreign troops at Ft Sumter leave their state. Lincoln had time to remove them, but he wanted SC to attack.
They did. Lincoln wanted a war, and had every chance to avoid one.
He never did and 600,000 Americans died.
History, something Yankee public schools rarely teach.
Posted by: zombie Robert E. Lee at May 10, 2017 11:53 AM (326rv)
SC had declared it's independence and requested that the foreign troops at Ft Sumter leave their state. Lincoln had time to remove them, but he wanted SC to attack.
They did. Lincoln wanted a war, and had every chance to avoid one.
He never did and 600,000 Americans died.
History, something Yankee public schools rarely teach.
Posted by: Ralph at May 10, 2017 12:16 PM (trdnR)
727
Can't they at least remove the head and replace it with mine? I may not be a stone wall, but I'm a brick house.
Posted by: Captain Michael "EO" Jackson at May 10, 2017 12:16 PM (vRcUp)
728
The Union also had millions of feisty Irish and German ( and Italian , as i was surprised to find out recently) immigrants to use as cannon fodder....
Posted by: The Media at May 10, 2017 12:15 PM (7uYFy)
------------------------
Now fully restocked with Latins Americans and Asians. Well, Latin Americans.
The Union also had millions of feisty Irish and German ( and Italian , as i was surprised to find out recently) immigrants to use as cannon fodder....
Posted by: The Media at May 10, 2017 12:15 PM (7uYFy)
------------------------
Now fully restocked with Latins Americans and Asians. Well, Latin Americans.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:17 PM (SsblQ)
729
My point being- draw out the left-wing example of cultural appropriation. It makes no dang sense. The PC police have lost their minds.
Posted by: Grapeape at May 10, 2017 12:17 PM (MutLO)
730
I know if I write enough of these someone is bound to see them.
Story is about Robert E Lee and Lee Park.
City Council voted to remove after MUCH pushback from the city residents. Would not put up to a popular vote.
Injunction in place to keep the statue safe. Due to VA law protecting war memorials and veteran memorials.
Jackson not going anywhere.
1 City councilor wanted to remove the statue of Lewis and Clark a few years back. Another is a documented black supremacist and was just fired from his spot on the school board by McAulliffe.
Story is about Robert E Lee and Lee Park.
City Council voted to remove after MUCH pushback from the city residents. Would not put up to a popular vote.
Injunction in place to keep the statue safe. Due to VA law protecting war memorials and veteran memorials.
Jackson not going anywhere.
1 City councilor wanted to remove the statue of Lewis and Clark a few years back. Another is a documented black supremacist and was just fired from his spot on the school board by McAulliffe.
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:17 PM (FGZtn)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 10, 2017 12:17 PM (eZ0Cd)
732
This repugnant, purely un-American, Taliban- or Nazi-like jihad to destroy history is - among everything else - one of the things that makes me pessimistic about the country.
Actually, it was the complete absence of any corrective push-back that was devastating. As the illiterate mob of racists and ignoramuses and authoritarians (which includes most/all of academia, elected Dems, the "press", and tech companies with their empty-headed "smart" employees) lynched US history and especially the US's unique history of reconciliation, the few remaining sane adults ..... hid.
Thus, just to pick one prominent example, my falling asleep from boredom whenever Nikki Haley is praised as the next Jeanne Kirkpatrick. Her performance typified the miniature, inadequate stature and instincts of the current political class.
Yes, it's "haaaaard" (said in a 6-yr old's voice) to stand up and smack down rabid illiterate mobs of racists and authoritarians - that's what people of some character and ability are put on the planet for (at least in the US).
Actually, it was the complete absence of any corrective push-back that was devastating. As the illiterate mob of racists and ignoramuses and authoritarians (which includes most/all of academia, elected Dems, the "press", and tech companies with their empty-headed "smart" employees) lynched US history and especially the US's unique history of reconciliation, the few remaining sane adults ..... hid.
Thus, just to pick one prominent example, my falling asleep from boredom whenever Nikki Haley is praised as the next Jeanne Kirkpatrick. Her performance typified the miniature, inadequate stature and instincts of the current political class.
Yes, it's "haaaaard" (said in a 6-yr old's voice) to stand up and smack down rabid illiterate mobs of racists and authoritarians - that's what people of some character and ability are put on the planet for (at least in the US).
Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2017 12:18 PM (PjWy4)
733
Now fully restocked with Latins Americans and Asians. Well, Latin Americans.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:17 PM (SsblQ)
Puerto Ricans always made the best infantry men!!
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:17 PM (SsblQ)
Puerto Ricans always made the best infantry men!!
Posted by: Lt. Colonel Frank Slade at May 10, 2017 12:19 PM (7uYFy)
734
The poor Army of the Potomac. As Catton points out, the most insane thing about Fredericksburg is that the Union soldiers kept on coming.
There are many things astounding about the Civil War.
The Army of the Potomac was largely irrelevant until 1865. The 'Anaconda Plan' won the war, and might have even sooner had the resources expended on 'On To Richmond' been spent on the blockade and better combined-ops efforts against Southern ports.
There are many things astounding about the Civil War.
The Army of the Potomac was largely irrelevant until 1865. The 'Anaconda Plan' won the war, and might have even sooner had the resources expended on 'On To Richmond' been spent on the blockade and better combined-ops efforts against Southern ports.
Posted by: JEM at May 10, 2017 12:19 PM (TppKb)
735
Have you read them? They clearly do so.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:11 PM (SsblQ)
I have and no they don't. Under the Articles of Confederation, all 13 states retained their "sovereignty, freedom and independence". Although agreement from all 13 states was required to revise the Articles, no state lost their independence... including the independence to leave if they saw fit.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:11 PM (SsblQ)
I have and no they don't. Under the Articles of Confederation, all 13 states retained their "sovereignty, freedom and independence". Although agreement from all 13 states was required to revise the Articles, no state lost their independence... including the independence to leave if they saw fit.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:20 PM (qf8IB)
736
Ho Lee Park? Wasn't he running for head of South Korea or sum ting?
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2017 12:20 PM (p8g4F)
737
Story is about Robert E Lee and Lee Park.
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Post is about statue of Jackson who passed beyond on this day in 1863.
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Post is about statue of Jackson who passed beyond on this day in 1863.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:20 PM (SsblQ)
738
I think we might grill out for Independence Day. It's not much, but it's a good way to celebrate.
Those were some brave guys to have the courage to do what they did, weren't they?
Those were some brave guys to have the courage to do what they did, weren't they?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at May 10, 2017 12:20 PM (fD1ST)
739
Good several candidates are being interviewed for "Interim" FBI head...it will NOT automatically fall to the left wing democratic McCabe or what ever his name is
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 10, 2017 12:20 PM (SjImc)
740
It was always going to be hard fighting the Yankee industrialist with their cheap immigrant labor, aka wage slaves.
Southerns labor, aka slaves, was very expensive next to Irish immigrants and child wage slaves that the industrialist had no obligation to feed.
Yankees wanting open immigrant and cheap labor, sound familiar?
Southerns labor, aka slaves, was very expensive next to Irish immigrants and child wage slaves that the industrialist had no obligation to feed.
Yankees wanting open immigrant and cheap labor, sound familiar?
Posted by: Ralph at May 10, 2017 12:20 PM (trdnR)
741
Also city council wrote a public letter to state congress "demanding" they do something to ban assault weapons in the city limits. I asked them what guns were assault weapons. Crickets. Looked them right in the eye and showed everyone how stupefying retarded they are.
I even yielded "my time" to the Mayor to let him explain to me what guns would be banned. Crickets.
"What is the difference between a hunting rifle and an assault rifle" I askd them. Someone in the peanut gallery piped up "THEY'RE BLACK!"
I even yielded "my time" to the Mayor to let him explain to me what guns would be banned. Crickets.
"What is the difference between a hunting rifle and an assault rifle" I askd them. Someone in the peanut gallery piped up "THEY'RE BLACK!"
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:20 PM (FGZtn)
742
A large part of the South's beef with the North was Congress passing
tariffs and other laws aimed at forcing the South to stop selling the
raw goods they grew to other countries like England (and stopping their
purchase of finished goods that were not Northern produced).
FWIW, one of the many frustrations the Colonies had with the Crown was the trade monopoly-- as colonies, they weren't allowed to trade with anyone but England. "I will go where I can buy products the cheapest" comes to mind. And so smuggling was common.
So the Southerners naturally saw parallels. Doesn't make anyone right or wrong to do what they did, necessarily, just made things messy.
tariffs and other laws aimed at forcing the South to stop selling the
raw goods they grew to other countries like England (and stopping their
purchase of finished goods that were not Northern produced).
FWIW, one of the many frustrations the Colonies had with the Crown was the trade monopoly-- as colonies, they weren't allowed to trade with anyone but England. "I will go where I can buy products the cheapest" comes to mind. And so smuggling was common.
So the Southerners naturally saw parallels. Doesn't make anyone right or wrong to do what they did, necessarily, just made things messy.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 12:21 PM (0NdDF)
743
I keep checking for undernoods...
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 12:21 PM (r/0kC)
744
I have and no they don't. Under the Articles of Confederation, all 13 states retained their "sovereignty, freedom and independence". Although agreement from all 13 states was required to revise the Articles, no state lost their independence... including the independence to leave if they saw fit.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:20 PM (qf8IB)
-----------------
I suggest you re-read. Surely you can't be that clueless.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:20 PM (qf8IB)
-----------------
I suggest you re-read. Surely you can't be that clueless.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:21 PM (SsblQ)
745
More importantly, the CSA artillery preparatory fires were largely ineffective, due to defective fuses and inadequate observation of those fires by the CSA. That led to insuffiencient ammunition to be fired during the attack itself. The main obstacle (rail fences along Emmitsburg Rd) was not breached, causing delay and disruption of attacking regiments.
I think that success for such an attack was quite possible, if properly executed.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf
Union infantry were ordered to not fire until they reached that road.
The 69th Penn was still equipped with smoothbores, and issued 'buck and ball' cartridges (one ball and three shot). They found to their disgust that the Southern brigade that unsuccessfully attacked their position on the evening of the second day were equipped with Enfield rifle muskets, which they promptly seized.
They loaded multiple weapons and laid them on the wall, and tore apart their cartridges and triple shotted the rounds of the .69 smoothbores.
When Pickett's men cam within range, there was a slaughter.
I think that success for such an attack was quite possible, if properly executed.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf
Union infantry were ordered to not fire until they reached that road.
The 69th Penn was still equipped with smoothbores, and issued 'buck and ball' cartridges (one ball and three shot). They found to their disgust that the Southern brigade that unsuccessfully attacked their position on the evening of the second day were equipped with Enfield rifle muskets, which they promptly seized.
They loaded multiple weapons and laid them on the wall, and tore apart their cartridges and triple shotted the rounds of the .69 smoothbores.
When Pickett's men cam within range, there was a slaughter.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 12:22 PM (326rv)
746
Post is about statue of Jackson who passed beyond on this day in 1863.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:20 PM (SsblQ)
Shot by a stupid fcking North Carolina solider in the wrong place.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:20 PM (SsblQ)
Shot by a stupid fcking North Carolina solider in the wrong place.
Posted by: Ralph at May 10, 2017 12:22 PM (trdnR)
747
Charlottesville VA story is about the Robert E Lee Park, not the Jackson Park.
The "Blue Ribbon Commission on Race and Public Relations in Public Spaces" did not recommend removal for the Jackson statue. Or for the Lee Statue for that matter. But nonetheless the city council voted 3-2 to remove it. They also voted on this like 12 times amongst the 5 of them.
The "Blue Ribbon Commission on Race and Public Relations in Public Spaces" did not recommend removal for the Jackson statue. Or for the Lee Statue for that matter. But nonetheless the city council voted 3-2 to remove it. They also voted on this like 12 times amongst the 5 of them.
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:23 PM (FGZtn)
748
Now fully restocked with Latins Americans and Asians. Well, Latin Americans.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:17 PM (SsblQ)
Them newly stocked beaners won't fight for America.....they're trying to destroy it.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:17 PM (SsblQ)
Them newly stocked beaners won't fight for America.....they're trying to destroy it.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 12:23 PM (Jcg9Q)
749
I know if I write enough of these someone is bound to see them.
Story is about Robert E Lee and Lee Park.
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:17 PM (FGZtn)
*******
Untwist your knickers there Chris and take a couple of deep breaths. The picture and poem are about Jackson, on the anniversary of his death. The story about New Orleans was added as part of a larger view of attempts to erase images of the Confederacy. Nobody is saying the story is about New Orleans removing Jackson's statue.
Story is about Robert E Lee and Lee Park.
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:17 PM (FGZtn)
*******
Untwist your knickers there Chris and take a couple of deep breaths. The picture and poem are about Jackson, on the anniversary of his death. The story about New Orleans was added as part of a larger view of attempts to erase images of the Confederacy. Nobody is saying the story is about New Orleans removing Jackson's statue.
Posted by: Muldoon at May 10, 2017 12:24 PM (wPiJc)
750
A Genghis Khan-like leader arose among the native Americans taround 1650 or so, managed to unite all of the various native tribes into one gigantic army, and conducted all-out war on the European colonists and pushed the lot of them into the sea?
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 10, 2017 11:59 AM (sH2Lb)
Hmm. Would have been interesting. Far more likely to succeed in the East: British and French settlements were relatively paltry and disese hadn't wiped out a massive proportion of the population. OTOH, such a coalition was incredibly unlikely in that area arising from just how different the various tribes were culturally, ethincally, and linguistically. They didn't have the common religous, cultural, and lingusitic background the Mongols had. Worth noting also: The various North American tribes (by this I mean the Rio Grande valley on up) were, at best, Neolithic (early farming, late stone age) in their cultural development at the time of contact. Many tribes were actually Mesolithic (seasonally nomadic hunter gatherers) in development. The biggest polities were, to put it charitably, city states that were not concentrated in small areas like Mesopotamia or Greece. For much of North America, a Genghis Khan like figure was an alien concept and an utter impossibility until horses percolated through the continent. And even if one had managed to push the Brits and French out, the chances of that state surviving were vanisingly small. The Brits and French would have come back later in greater numbers with Spanish style conquest in mind if the Spaniards hadn't gotten there first.
The southeast did have some of those features, but they were being bled pale by smallpox and other diseases. Same for Central and South America who also had to contend with the Habsburg Empire at the height of their power who had massive incentives to hold onto their conquests.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at May 10, 2017 11:59 AM (sH2Lb)
Hmm. Would have been interesting. Far more likely to succeed in the East: British and French settlements were relatively paltry and disese hadn't wiped out a massive proportion of the population. OTOH, such a coalition was incredibly unlikely in that area arising from just how different the various tribes were culturally, ethincally, and linguistically. They didn't have the common religous, cultural, and lingusitic background the Mongols had. Worth noting also: The various North American tribes (by this I mean the Rio Grande valley on up) were, at best, Neolithic (early farming, late stone age) in their cultural development at the time of contact. Many tribes were actually Mesolithic (seasonally nomadic hunter gatherers) in development. The biggest polities were, to put it charitably, city states that were not concentrated in small areas like Mesopotamia or Greece. For much of North America, a Genghis Khan like figure was an alien concept and an utter impossibility until horses percolated through the continent. And even if one had managed to push the Brits and French out, the chances of that state surviving were vanisingly small. The Brits and French would have come back later in greater numbers with Spanish style conquest in mind if the Spaniards hadn't gotten there first.
The southeast did have some of those features, but they were being bled pale by smallpox and other diseases. Same for Central and South America who also had to contend with the Habsburg Empire at the height of their power who had massive incentives to hold onto their conquests.
Posted by: Jackal at May 10, 2017 12:24 PM (/EzgU)
751
I suggest you re-read. Surely you can't be that clueless.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:21 PM (SsblQ)
I don't care about it much so I've never read them.
Now I confess a vague (very vague) stirring of interest. Linky for the lazy?
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:21 PM (SsblQ)
I don't care about it much so I've never read them.
Now I confess a vague (very vague) stirring of interest. Linky for the lazy?
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:24 PM (CPk08)
752
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 11:06 AM (qf8IB)
What do you want? Some reparations? You are tiresome.
What do you want? Some reparations? You are tiresome.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 12:25 PM (EV+4+)
753
Some good reads about the Civil War, in my opinion, are 3 books written by Howard Bahr. The Year of Jubilo, The Judas Field, and The Black Flower.
The perspective is that of those from Mississippi, and from their participation in the war. It revolves greatly around the Battle of Franklin, in Tennessee.
The perspective is that of those from Mississippi, and from their participation in the war. It revolves greatly around the Battle of Franklin, in Tennessee.
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 12:25 PM (zSVEm)
754
I suggest you re-read. Surely you can't be that clueless.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:21 PM (SsblQ)
I suggest you keep in mind we don't give a fuck either way.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:21 PM (SsblQ)
I suggest you keep in mind we don't give a fuck either way.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 12:25 PM (Jcg9Q)
755
They did. Lincoln wanted a war, and had every chance to avoid one.
He never did and 600,000 Americans died.
Oh, come on. That's a little like saying Churchill could've avoided war with Germany. Lot more complex than that.
Sometimes, avoiding a war is worse than having one, and sometimes having one later is having one now, and sometimes it's really really stupid regardless. Depends on the situation, and we obviously will never know the counter-factuals. (Though we can hopefully get a clearer historical picture later one, that's mostly details. "If General X had charged at this time instead of waiting three hours for the rain to let up, which it never did, General Y would've been unprepared" kind of thing.)
He never did and 600,000 Americans died.
Oh, come on. That's a little like saying Churchill could've avoided war with Germany. Lot more complex than that.
Sometimes, avoiding a war is worse than having one, and sometimes having one later is having one now, and sometimes it's really really stupid regardless. Depends on the situation, and we obviously will never know the counter-factuals. (Though we can hopefully get a clearer historical picture later one, that's mostly details. "If General X had charged at this time instead of waiting three hours for the rain to let up, which it never did, General Y would've been unprepared" kind of thing.)
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 12:25 PM (0NdDF)
756
Now I confess a vague (very vague) stirring of interest. Linky for the lazy?
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:24 PM (CPk0
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I'll comment with them in a few minutes.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:24 PM (CPk0
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I'll comment with them in a few minutes.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:26 PM (SsblQ)
757
What always bothers me about these threads is how many self-identified conservatives are so eager to polish the boots of centralized government power exerting its will by force. Same with a lot of threads where law enforcement is the topic. Shows some of the blind spots people have, at least.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 10, 2017 12:27 PM (0mRoj)
758
>>757
What always bothers me about these threads is how many self-identified
conservatives are so eager to polish the boots of centralized government
power exerting its will by force. Same with a lot of threads where law
enforcement is the topic. Shows some of the blind spots people have, at
least. Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 10, 2017 12:27 PM (0mRoj)
Well said.
What always bothers me about these threads is how many self-identified
conservatives are so eager to polish the boots of centralized government
power exerting its will by force. Same with a lot of threads where law
enforcement is the topic. Shows some of the blind spots people have, at
least. Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 10, 2017 12:27 PM (0mRoj)
Well said.
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 12:28 PM (Bdeb0)
759
Posted by: Jackal at May 10, 2017 12:24 PM (/EzgU)
Aboriginals over the entire continent were having trouble with disease. That really can't be under-emphasised.
Aboriginals over the entire continent were having trouble with disease. That really can't be under-emphasised.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:28 PM (CPk08)
760
Shamone!
Posted by: Michael Jackson at May 10, 2017 12:28 PM (vRcUp)
761
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 10, 2017 12:27 PM (0mRoj)
Blind spot about law enforcement? Doctor heal thyself.
Blind spot about law enforcement? Doctor heal thyself.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 12:28 PM (EV+4+)
762
Oy, we're still on this? The actual war didn't last this long.
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 12:28 PM (7HtZB)
763
Regionalism is alive and well, and I don't see this as a bad thing necessarily.
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 12:29 PM (zSVEm)
764
761 Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 10, 2017 12:27 PM (0mRoj)
Blind spot about law enforcement? Doctor heal thyself.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 12:28 PM (EV+4+)
You're being silly.
Blind spot about law enforcement? Doctor heal thyself.
Posted by: Jack Sock at May 10, 2017 12:28 PM (EV+4+)
You're being silly.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 10, 2017 12:30 PM (0mRoj)
765
Oy, we're still on this? The actual war didn't last this long.
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 12:28 PM (7HtZB)
Maybe some people get tired of talking about guns and boobs.
*not me*
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 12:28 PM (7HtZB)
Maybe some people get tired of talking about guns and boobs.
*not me*
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 12:30 PM (Jcg9Q)
766
The South lost the Civil War because they didn't adopt the Designated Hitter, so offense stagnated.
Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at May 10, 2017 12:30 PM (oZ6kz)
767
Still you can donate to the monument fund.
https://www.themonumentfund.org/
They are doing great legal work stopping the removal of any statues here in cville.
https://www.themonumentfund.org/
They are doing great legal work stopping the removal of any statues here in cville.
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:30 PM (FGZtn)
768
762 Oy, we're still on this? The actual war didn't last this long.
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 12:28 PM (7HtZB)
Oh, this one's gonna last all day.
Posted by: josephistan at May 10, 2017 12:28 PM (7HtZB)
Oh, this one's gonna last all day.
Posted by: Hikaru at May 10, 2017 12:30 PM (9TK8E)
769
What does ol' ScoggDog always tell you ?
There's a certain breed of Republican that just LOVES the projection of power by the State over the Citizen. They absolutely love it.
You're getting an up close and personal view of that right now.
Don't think for a second that everyone here is for self-rule and smaller government. That just ain't so.
There's a certain breed of Republican that just LOVES the projection of power by the State over the Citizen. They absolutely love it.
You're getting an up close and personal view of that right now.
Don't think for a second that everyone here is for self-rule and smaller government. That just ain't so.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 12:30 PM (xIBU4)
770
Throwing up a statue of Stonewall Jackson, and its' potential demise, might have set a tone, with predictable results.
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 12:31 PM (zSVEm)
771
City Council voted to remove after MUCH pushback from the city residents. Would not put up to a popular vote.
Injunction in place to keep the statue safe. Due to VA law protecting war memorials and veteran memorials.
Jackson not going anywhere.
1 City councilor wanted to remove the statue of Lewis and Clark a
few years back. Another is a documented black supremacist and was just
fired from his spot on the school board by McAulliffe.
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:17 PM (FGZtn)
I read and will donate... I had not heard that someone tried to remove the statue of Lewis and Clark. What the hell?
City Council voted to remove after MUCH pushback from the city residents. Would not put up to a popular vote.
Injunction in place to keep the statue safe. Due to VA law protecting war memorials and veteran memorials.
Jackson not going anywhere.
1 City councilor wanted to remove the statue of Lewis and Clark a
few years back. Another is a documented black supremacist and was just
fired from his spot on the school board by McAulliffe.
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:17 PM (FGZtn)
I read and will donate... I had not heard that someone tried to remove the statue of Lewis and Clark. What the hell?
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:31 PM (qf8IB)
772
What always bothers me about these threads is how many self-identified
conservatives are so eager to polish the boots of centralized government
power exerting its will by force.
We're not anarchists! I think we all agree that there should be some centralized authority over or linking the various states. The question is where to draw the many, many lines.
The real world is a lot more complex than general theories. Slavery was bad, but is it worse to stop it? Depends on how, and how bad, and a lot of other things.
Like I said. History is rarely heroes vs. villains. It's usually shades of gray, and that's not always moral relativism. Sometimes it's just pragmatism.
conservatives are so eager to polish the boots of centralized government
power exerting its will by force.
We're not anarchists! I think we all agree that there should be some centralized authority over or linking the various states. The question is where to draw the many, many lines.
The real world is a lot more complex than general theories. Slavery was bad, but is it worse to stop it? Depends on how, and how bad, and a lot of other things.
Like I said. History is rarely heroes vs. villains. It's usually shades of gray, and that's not always moral relativism. Sometimes it's just pragmatism.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 12:31 PM (0NdDF)
773
770 Throwing up a statue of Stonewall Jackson, and its' potential demise, might have set a tone, with predictable results.
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 12:31 PM (zSVEm)
But it is entertaining. And informative.
Posted by: kraken at May 10, 2017 12:31 PM (zSVEm)
But it is entertaining. And informative.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 10, 2017 12:31 PM (0mRoj)
774
Audience reaction to Comey firing was not what Colbert wanted
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/264594/
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/264594/
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 12:32 PM (r/0kC)
775
I'll fight any one of you Yankee faggots in The Octagon!!!
Posted by: Zombie Robert E. Lee at May 10, 2017 12:32 PM (qJhUV)
776
Damn it Insomniac ... you beat me to the punch.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 12:33 PM (xIBU4)
777
What always bothers me about these threads is how many self-identified
conservatives are so eager to polish the boots of centralized government
power exerting its will by force.
Centralized Federal Government meant one thing in 1860. It means something totally different now.
conservatives are so eager to polish the boots of centralized government
power exerting its will by force.
Centralized Federal Government meant one thing in 1860. It means something totally different now.
Posted by: Lt. Colonel Frank Slade at May 10, 2017 12:35 PM (7uYFy)
778
*peeks in* *smells gunpowder* *leaves*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 12:35 PM (PY9jH)
779
771
I read and will donate... I had not heard that someone tried to remove the statue of Lewis and Clark. What the hell?
Hey Awesome!
Yeah instead of getting it removed Szakos had to settle on a colonial/imperial guilt plaque at its base.
OH and I forgot the same city councilor who said he wanted to "blow up" the Robert E Lee statue (actual quote there) said he wants Montecello gone next. Uhm... in the home of UVA. Genius. But he's still on the council for another 18 months or so.
I read and will donate... I had not heard that someone tried to remove the statue of Lewis and Clark. What the hell?
Hey Awesome!
Yeah instead of getting it removed Szakos had to settle on a colonial/imperial guilt plaque at its base.
OH and I forgot the same city councilor who said he wanted to "blow up" the Robert E Lee statue (actual quote there) said he wants Montecello gone next. Uhm... in the home of UVA. Genius. But he's still on the council for another 18 months or so.
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:36 PM (FGZtn)
780
Audience reaction to Comey firing was not what Colbert wanted
This clip tells me that Colbert....really.....sucks.
This clip tells me that Colbert....really.....sucks.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 10, 2017 12:37 PM (oVJmc)
781
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 10, 2017 12:27 PM (0mRoj)
It's puzzling due to the established wisdom that conservatism is based on constitutional principles. And the Founding Fathers gave us the framework that would insure citizens' sovereignty and built in protections from The State and its agents.
It's puzzling due to the established wisdom that conservatism is based on constitutional principles. And the Founding Fathers gave us the framework that would insure citizens' sovereignty and built in protections from The State and its agents.
Posted by: kallisto at May 10, 2017 12:37 PM (kD8Fh)
782
I suggest you re-read. Surely you can't be that clueless.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:21 PM (SsblQ)
I do not need to re-read... you obviously need to brush up on your understanding of the rights of sovereign states, though.
If you need a modern example to understand, look to Brexit.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:21 PM (SsblQ)
I do not need to re-read... you obviously need to brush up on your understanding of the rights of sovereign states, though.
If you need a modern example to understand, look to Brexit.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:38 PM (qf8IB)
783
Oy, we're still on this? The actual war didn't last this long.
The TV show M*A*S*H lasted longer than the Korean War.
What's more interesting to me, is the broader M*A*S*H franchise. See, the show was a spinoff of the movie (but not really a sequel-- recasting and plot details differed), which was an adaptation of a novel.
The novel got sequels, the show got spinoffs, and one spinoff (Trapper John, M.D.) was (for licensing reasons) classified as a spinoff of the movie.
There's more, but I think that's enough. Wikipedia has more.
The TV show M*A*S*H lasted longer than the Korean War.
What's more interesting to me, is the broader M*A*S*H franchise. See, the show was a spinoff of the movie (but not really a sequel-- recasting and plot details differed), which was an adaptation of a novel.
The novel got sequels, the show got spinoffs, and one spinoff (Trapper John, M.D.) was (for licensing reasons) classified as a spinoff of the movie.
There's more, but I think that's enough. Wikipedia has more.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 12:38 PM (jh6SF)
784
You couldn't keep it.
Posted by: Zombie Ben Franklin at May 10, 2017 12:38 PM (IqV8l)
785
*shakes laptop to wake up Ace*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 12:39 PM (PY9jH)
786
172 68 I remember hearing something about statues of famous military leaders with horses...
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
*
*
Not sure about that first one. Andrew Jackson's statue in Jackson Square in New Orleans has both forelegs raised, and he wasn't killed in any battle.
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
*
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Not sure about that first one. Andrew Jackson's statue in Jackson Square in New Orleans has both forelegs raised, and he wasn't killed in any battle.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2017 12:39 PM (rO3Rg)
787
Colbert was rewarded for cursing on network television with higher ratings.The Left is more deranged than ever.
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 12:39 PM (r/0kC)
788
I read and will donate... I had not heard that someone tried to remove the statue of Lewis and Clark. What the hell?
Smallvilie was a much better show.
Smallvilie was a much better show.
Posted by: Emily Litella at May 10, 2017 12:39 PM (jh6SF)
789
Is Ace cheating on us with that whore, Twitter, again?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 12:40 PM (PY9jH)
790
SC had declared it's independence and requested that the foreign troops at Ft Sumter leave their state. Lincoln had time to remove them, but he wanted SC to attack.
They did. Lincoln wanted a war, and had every chance to avoid one.
He never did and 600,000 Americans died.
History, something Yankee public schools rarely teach.
Posted by: Ralph
Property rights. Something no Southern apologist will admit. Or the rights of nations.
IF S.C was an independent state, no military installation or stick of furniture magically became the property of SC.
Second, since when is not complying to a "request" grounds for opening fire?
Even if we use your logic, SC (an independent country) committed multiple acts of war on another country. And the result was war. Which the South lost.
They did. Lincoln wanted a war, and had every chance to avoid one.
He never did and 600,000 Americans died.
History, something Yankee public schools rarely teach.
Posted by: Ralph
Property rights. Something no Southern apologist will admit. Or the rights of nations.
IF S.C was an independent state, no military installation or stick of furniture magically became the property of SC.
Second, since when is not complying to a "request" grounds for opening fire?
Even if we use your logic, SC (an independent country) committed multiple acts of war on another country. And the result was war. Which the South lost.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 12:40 PM (326rv)
791
Good one, steevy.
The airhead/"progressive" audience at Colbert cheering Comey's canning is like what would have happened at a rally of American commies/leftists on June 22, 1941, if the speaker had denounced Nazi Germany and praised the UK - and the audience had somehow now heard of what had happened the day before, and booed the denunciation of Hitler.
In fact, I think there was, literally, an event in 1941 where the speaker was informed of Operation Barbarossa in the course of a speech, and changed his world-view on the spot (from pro- to anti-Germany).
The airhead/"progressive" audience at Colbert cheering Comey's canning is like what would have happened at a rally of American commies/leftists on June 22, 1941, if the speaker had denounced Nazi Germany and praised the UK - and the audience had somehow now heard of what had happened the day before, and booed the denunciation of Hitler.
In fact, I think there was, literally, an event in 1941 where the speaker was informed of Operation Barbarossa in the course of a speech, and changed his world-view on the spot (from pro- to anti-Germany).
Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2017 12:41 PM (PjWy4)
792
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I'll comment with them in a few minutes.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:26 PM (SsblQ)
The half life of patience for the topic is seriously shrinking.
I'll comment with them in a few minutes.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:26 PM (SsblQ)
The half life of patience for the topic is seriously shrinking.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:42 PM (CPk08)
793
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
What if the two rear legs are up in the air as in kicking something?
Something about if the horse is depicted rearing up with both front legs high, the hero was killed in battle; one leg raised, hero was wounded; all four legs on the ground, hero unscathed, alive and well.
What if the two rear legs are up in the air as in kicking something?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 12:42 PM (IqV8l)
794
Colbert was never funny but the Left doesn't even want funny anymore.They just want attacks on Trump.
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 12:42 PM (r/0kC)
795
Now I confess a vague (very vague) stirring of interest. Linky for the lazy?
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:24 PM
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Articles: https://usconstitution.net/articles.html
Nortwest Ordnance of 1787: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ka83ew8
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some excerpts:
Articles of Confederation:
"Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union"
"authorize us to ratify the said articles of confederation and perpetual union"
"fully and entirely ratify and confirm each and every of the said articles of confederation and perpetual union"
"And that the articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the States we respectively represent, and that the union shall be perpetual."
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The Northwest Ordinance of 1787:
"The said territory, and the states which may be formed therein, shall forever remain a part of this Confederacy of the United States of America..."
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:24 PM
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Articles: https://usconstitution.net/articles.html
Nortwest Ordnance of 1787: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ka83ew8
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some excerpts:
Articles of Confederation:
"Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union"
"authorize us to ratify the said articles of confederation and perpetual union"
"fully and entirely ratify and confirm each and every of the said articles of confederation and perpetual union"
"And that the articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the States we respectively represent, and that the union shall be perpetual."
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The Northwest Ordinance of 1787:
"The said territory, and the states which may be formed therein, shall forever remain a part of this Confederacy of the United States of America..."
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:42 PM (SsblQ)
796
I don't care about it much so I've never read them.
Now I confess a vague (very vague) stirring of interest. Linky for the lazy?
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:24 PM (CPk0
Here you go: https://usconstitution.net/articles.html#Article2
Now I confess a vague (very vague) stirring of interest. Linky for the lazy?
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:24 PM (CPk0
Here you go: https://usconstitution.net/articles.html#Article2
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:43 PM (qf8IB)
797
"Give us Ft. Bragg, Ft. Benning. Ft. Hood, Ft. Campbell, Ft.Bliss, Ft. Rucker, we don't want to be part of the country anymore"
Feds "OK, no problem"
Feds "OK, no problem"
Posted by: Not this again at May 10, 2017 12:43 PM (kn0BL)
798
Aboriginals over the entire continent were having trouble with disease. That really can't be under-emphasised.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:28 PM (CPk0
Yep, and it had strategic implications very early on. Part of the reason why Pizarro conqured the Incan Empire (a very highly advanced Bronze Age society) was because they were recovering from a bloody civil war stemming from the unexpected death of their ruler a few years before the Spanish arrived.
The culprit?
Smallpox!
These diseases typically spread more rapidly than the Spanish. On Desoto's trip west from Florida they would hear rumors of diseases and plague. At this time the Southeast was dotted with city states with massive earthen temples. There was a fairly complex interconnected trade network as well as a common trade pidgin, Mobilian. Evidence suggests this was a pale reflection of what existed a few hundred years earlier. The next time an explorer passed through that area, they reported abandoned cities, and a far sparser population.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:28 PM (CPk0
Yep, and it had strategic implications very early on. Part of the reason why Pizarro conqured the Incan Empire (a very highly advanced Bronze Age society) was because they were recovering from a bloody civil war stemming from the unexpected death of their ruler a few years before the Spanish arrived.
The culprit?
Smallpox!
These diseases typically spread more rapidly than the Spanish. On Desoto's trip west from Florida they would hear rumors of diseases and plague. At this time the Southeast was dotted with city states with massive earthen temples. There was a fairly complex interconnected trade network as well as a common trade pidgin, Mobilian. Evidence suggests this was a pale reflection of what existed a few hundred years earlier. The next time an explorer passed through that area, they reported abandoned cities, and a far sparser population.
Posted by: Jackal at May 10, 2017 12:43 PM (/EzgU)
799
Not sure about that first one. Andrew Jackson's statue in Jackson
Square in New Orleans has both forelegs raised, and he wasn't killed in
any battle.
There's a link buried upthread that basically says that if (and it's a big if) this was an actual rule, it's been applied on purpose only occasionally. Too many exceptions, and many sculptors had never heard of it.
My question is, real or not, when was this idea started? It's kind of an urban legend, and those fascinate me-- how they evolve, how they shift, that kind of thing.
Square in New Orleans has both forelegs raised, and he wasn't killed in
any battle.
There's a link buried upthread that basically says that if (and it's a big if) this was an actual rule, it's been applied on purpose only occasionally. Too many exceptions, and many sculptors had never heard of it.
My question is, real or not, when was this idea started? It's kind of an urban legend, and those fascinate me-- how they evolve, how they shift, that kind of thing.
Posted by: Emily Litella at May 10, 2017 12:43 PM (jh6SF)
800
In fact, I think there was, literally, an event in 1941 where the speaker was informed of Operation Barbarossa in the course of a speech, and changed his world-view on the spot (from pro- to anti-Germany).
Posted by: rhomboid
Sort of Trumbo-like.
In fact, I think there was, literally, an event in 1941 where the speaker was informed of Operation Barbarossa in the course of a speech, and changed his world-view on the spot (from pro- to anti-Germany).
Posted by: rhomboid
Sort of Trumbo-like.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 10, 2017 12:43 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 10, 2017 12:44 PM (E6QSr)
802
791 Oh yeah,they switched in mid sentence practically.Orwell wasn't making shit up altogether in 1984.
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 12:44 PM (r/0kC)
803
Is Ace cheating on us with that whore, Twitter, again?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 12:40 PM (PY9jH)
Like Jake from State Farm... She sounds hideous!?!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 10, 2017 12:40 PM (PY9jH)
Like Jake from State Farm... She sounds hideous!?!
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:44 PM (qf8IB)
804
The next time an explorer passed through that area, they reported abandoned cities, and a far sparser population.
Man, timing is everything, isn't it? If they'd arrived a few decades earlier or later...
Man, timing is everything, isn't it? If they'd arrived a few decades earlier or later...
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 12:46 PM (jh6SF)
805
It is a little known fact that Haven Monahan has a swinging batchelor rape pad set up in the base of that statue.
It is a little known fact that Haven Monahan has a swinging batchelor rape pad set up in the base of that statue.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 10, 2017 12:46 PM (pNxlR)
806
"The said territory, and the states which may be
formed therein, shall forever remain a part of this Confederacy of the
United States of America..."
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:42 PM (SsblQ)
Context is everything Rio Bravo... and you are leaving that out in both of those passages.
formed therein, shall forever remain a part of this Confederacy of the
United States of America..."
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:42 PM (SsblQ)
Context is everything Rio Bravo... and you are leaving that out in both of those passages.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:46 PM (qf8IB)
807
Huzzah! for these NeoCommunists removing the problematic inanimate objects. Now they just need to work on the relics of The War of Colonial Agression and Whitey Racism. Plus that pesky list of peasant's "rights". What absolute twaddle!
Posted by: Charles Cornwallis at May 10, 2017 12:46 PM (GdWNH)
808
Refighting the Civil War are we?
I still say if Robert E. Lee had followed through on his initial plan to
deploy 6 regiments of Calvary composed of
Samurai Sword-Wielding Spider Monkeys mounted atop Pit Bull Terriers
he would've won the Battle of Gettysburg.
I still say if Robert E. Lee had followed through on his initial plan to
deploy 6 regiments of Calvary composed of
Samurai Sword-Wielding Spider Monkeys mounted atop Pit Bull Terriers
he would've won the Battle of Gettysburg.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 10, 2017 12:46 PM (NyJwR)
809
Context is everything Rio Bravo... and you are leaving that out in both of those passages.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:46 PM (qf8IB)
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I left out your imagination.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:46 PM (qf8IB)
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I left out your imagination.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:47 PM (SsblQ)
810
776 Damn it Insomniac ... you beat me to the punch.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 12:33 PM (xIBU4)
GMTA.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 10, 2017 12:33 PM (xIBU4)
GMTA.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 10, 2017 12:47 PM (0mRoj)
811
I'd love to bring a slave owner forward to this point in time and ask him "THIS is what you have wrought. Do you still wish to continue?"
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 10, 2017 12:47 PM (vRcUp)
812
One of the WW2 movies Passage to Marseille has Bogart as a French newspaper man who was sent to Devils Island for constantly warning about the Nazis.I suspect they meant him to be a communist newspaper editor and of course the true communist take on Hitler was more complicated...
Posted by: steevy at May 10, 2017 12:47 PM (r/0kC)
813
Its still going on I see...
Posted by: IP at May 10, 2017 12:48 PM (2hqkh)
814
The South lost the Civil War because they didn't adopt the Designated Hitter, so offense stagnated.
Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at May 10, 2017 12:30 PM (oZ6kz)
Alright now you've really crossed a line
Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at May 10, 2017 12:30 PM (oZ6kz)
Alright now you've really crossed a line
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 12:48 PM (493sH)
815
thanks for the post
Posted by: Chris M at May 10, 2017 12:48 PM (FGZtn)
816
Its still going on I see...
Posted by: IP at May 10, 2017 12:48 PM (2hqkh)
It's the only way to get to 1,000.
Posted by: IP at May 10, 2017 12:48 PM (2hqkh)
It's the only way to get to 1,000.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 12:48 PM (Jcg9Q)
817
Bound to be willowed, and completely OT from the Periodic Refighting of the Civil War (TM) for which the HQ is famous, there's an article at Politico (linked by JJ this morning) that is sort of interesting, in a bad way.
All these senior/retired FBI agents aghast/shocked/shaken by Comey's firing.
WTFF?
Comey's malfeasance was obvious, screaming, historic, and jaw-dropping, to even a mildly informed outsider, back in July. His press event. He shouldn't have done anything of the sort (this is central to the firing memo). His "reasoning" about the Espionage Act and criminal liability was absurd, obviously so - and again, to any intelligent observer.
Pretty disturbing to think there are actually senior FBI people who are so unfamiliar with their own agency's role and with law enforcement procedures in general that they do not share the contempt and disgust for Comey that any intelligent observer has.
Now - Politico ..... but, the worst quotes are sourced. Sad!
All these senior/retired FBI agents aghast/shocked/shaken by Comey's firing.
WTFF?
Comey's malfeasance was obvious, screaming, historic, and jaw-dropping, to even a mildly informed outsider, back in July. His press event. He shouldn't have done anything of the sort (this is central to the firing memo). His "reasoning" about the Espionage Act and criminal liability was absurd, obviously so - and again, to any intelligent observer.
Pretty disturbing to think there are actually senior FBI people who are so unfamiliar with their own agency's role and with law enforcement procedures in general that they do not share the contempt and disgust for Comey that any intelligent observer has.
Now - Politico ..... but, the worst quotes are sourced. Sad!
Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2017 12:48 PM (PjWy4)
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2017 12:49 PM (p8g4F)
819
The DH War, resumed it has.
The DH War, resumed it has.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 10, 2017 12:49 PM (pNxlR)
820
816 Its still going on I see...
Posted by: IP at May 10, 2017 12:48 PM (2hqkh)
It's the only way to get to 1,000.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 12:48 PM (Jcg9Q)
Over 9000 or bust! Where's Vegeta when you need him...?
Posted by: IP at May 10, 2017 12:48 PM (2hqkh)
It's the only way to get to 1,000.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 12:48 PM (Jcg9Q)
Over 9000 or bust! Where's Vegeta when you need him...?
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 10, 2017 12:49 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 12:50 PM (o+pgY)
822
The American League plays a game similar to baseball.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 10, 2017 12:50 PM (E6QSr)
823
808 Refighting the Civil War are we?
I still say if Robert E. Lee had followed through on his initial plan to
deploy 6 regiments of Calvary composed of
Samurai Sword-Wielding Spider Monkeys mounted atop Pit Bull Terriers
he would've won the Battle of Gettysburg.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 10, 2017 12:46 PM (NyJwR)
In the long run, the South's refusal to convoy the Cotton Fleet, leaving them at the mercy of Northern U-Boats, did them in. Sad!
I still say if Robert E. Lee had followed through on his initial plan to
deploy 6 regiments of Calvary composed of
Samurai Sword-Wielding Spider Monkeys mounted atop Pit Bull Terriers
he would've won the Battle of Gettysburg.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 10, 2017 12:46 PM (NyJwR)
In the long run, the South's refusal to convoy the Cotton Fleet, leaving them at the mercy of Northern U-Boats, did them in. Sad!
Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at May 10, 2017 12:50 PM (EjfPg)
Posted by: IP at May 10, 2017 12:50 PM (2hqkh)
825
Property rights. Something no Southern apologist will admit. Or the rights of nations.
IF S.C was an independent state, no military installation or stick of furniture magically became the property of SC.
Second, since when is not complying to a "request" grounds for opening fire?
Even if we use your logic, SC (an independent country) committed
multiple acts of war on another country. And the result was war. Which
the South lost.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 12:40 PM (326rv)
Upon separation, every inch of property in the state was South Carolina's. The same rules that allow the US military to have bases in any other foreign country applied.
IF S.C was an independent state, no military installation or stick of furniture magically became the property of SC.
Second, since when is not complying to a "request" grounds for opening fire?
Even if we use your logic, SC (an independent country) committed
multiple acts of war on another country. And the result was war. Which
the South lost.
Posted by: Blue Hen at May 10, 2017 12:40 PM (326rv)
Upon separation, every inch of property in the state was South Carolina's. The same rules that allow the US military to have bases in any other foreign country applied.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:50 PM (qf8IB)
826
In fact, I think there was, literally, an event in 1941 where the speaker was informed of Operation Barbarossa in the course of a speech, and changed his world-view on the spot (from pro- to anti-Germany).
Posted by: rhomboid
Sort of Trumbo-like.
{Sad Trumbo}
Posted by: rhomboid
Sort of Trumbo-like.
{Sad Trumbo}
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 12:50 PM (h/uSM)
827
The airhead/"progressive" audience at Colbert cheering Comey's canning is like what would have happened at a rally of American commies/leftists on June 22, 1941, if the speaker had denounced Nazi Germany and praised the UK - and the audience had somehow now heard of what had happened the day before, and booed the denunciation of Hitler.
That's spot on. The left have always been lemmings. Germany bad. Ribbentrop-Molotov deal. Germany good. Barbarossa. Germany bad. And zero acknowledgement of the back and forth changing of positions because their masters told them to
That's spot on. The left have always been lemmings. Germany bad. Ribbentrop-Molotov deal. Germany good. Barbarossa. Germany bad. And zero acknowledgement of the back and forth changing of positions because their masters told them to
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 12:50 PM (493sH)
828
Replace every single one of them with statues of Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin.
That'll show 'em.
Resist!
That'll show 'em.
Resist!
Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 10, 2017 12:51 PM (U6f54)
829
821 Riddle me this:
Gyro sammich - shaved lamb or chunk/slabs of lamb?
Honestly? Both.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 12:50 PM (o+pgY)
Shaved. Wool is very difficult to ingest.
Gyro sammich - shaved lamb or chunk/slabs of lamb?
Honestly? Both.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 12:50 PM (o+pgY)
Shaved. Wool is very difficult to ingest.
Posted by: Insomniac, Lord Hurlingbone, Earl of Melancholy at May 10, 2017 12:51 PM (0mRoj)
830
Jeez, I almost hate to get drawn in, but couldn't you claim the constitution obviate the articles of confederation and the Northwest Ordinance? (again: I am not a lawyer and I know nothing about this).
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:51 PM (CPk08)
831
It's 12:01 pm cdst... Someone go to the local Denny's and kick the ball of fur by the dumpster.
It's time for the Ewok to get up.
It's time for the Ewok to get up.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 10, 2017 12:51 PM (z79tQ)
832
Grump, gawd****it! Stop it.
In commiefornia, of course, no can buy nice police turn-ins like that.
To make things worse, later today I'm going to buy a used Model 60. Nothing wrong with the deal (good one, actually), but I would long ago have taken care of all my revolver needs with police turn-ins from J ampersand G, et al, for a very small total sum of $$$.
Aaaarrrrrrrrghhh.
In commiefornia, of course, no can buy nice police turn-ins like that.
To make things worse, later today I'm going to buy a used Model 60. Nothing wrong with the deal (good one, actually), but I would long ago have taken care of all my revolver needs with police turn-ins from J ampersand G, et al, for a very small total sum of $$$.
Aaaarrrrrrrrghhh.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 10, 2017 12:52 PM (PjWy4)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 10, 2017 12:52 PM (o+pgY)
834
Wool is very difficult to ingest.
__________
And not so easy to pass either. My lab ate a sweater once.
__________
And not so easy to pass either. My lab ate a sweater once.
Posted by: IP at May 10, 2017 12:52 PM (2hqkh)
835
so the next thread can concentrate on reconstruction, right?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 12:52 PM (h/uSM)
836
822 The American League plays a game similar to baseball.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 10, 2017 12:50 PM (E6QSr)
Pepperoni Pizza is only one ingredient off from being Pizza.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 10, 2017 12:50 PM (E6QSr)
Pepperoni Pizza is only one ingredient off from being Pizza.
Posted by: Hikaru at May 10, 2017 12:53 PM (CMbMd)
837
I thought a Gyro was always shaved since it's a composite meat. Isn't the chunk stuff souvlaki?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 10, 2017 12:53 PM (E6QSr)
838
so the next thread can concentrate on reconstruction, right?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 12:52 PM (h/uSM)
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Texas Reconstruction was already addressed here so it should be excluded...
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 10, 2017 12:52 PM (h/uSM)
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Texas Reconstruction was already addressed here so it should be excluded...
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:53 PM (SsblQ)
839
Pepperoni Pizza is only one ingredient off from being Pizza.
_____________
Yep, missing the pineapple.
_____________
Yep, missing the pineapple.
Posted by: IP at May 10, 2017 12:53 PM (2hqkh)
840
Context is everything Rio Bravo... and you are leaving that out in both of those passages.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:46 PM (qf8IB)
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I left out your imagination.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:47 PM (SsblQ)
No... you left out the part (of both those documents) where states retained their sovereignty and independence. By definition, that means they can leave just like they came in. The word "perpetual" in either document does not change that.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:46 PM (qf8IB)
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I left out your imagination.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 12:47 PM (SsblQ)
No... you left out the part (of both those documents) where states retained their sovereignty and independence. By definition, that means they can leave just like they came in. The word "perpetual" in either document does not change that.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:54 PM (qf8IB)
841
>>828
Replace every single one of them with statues of Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin. Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 10, 2017 12:51 PM (U6f54)
Replace every single one of them with statues of Navin R. Johnson holding an ashtray, a paddle game, the remote control, the matches, and the lamp.
That'll teach 'em.
Replace every single one of them with statues of Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin. Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 10, 2017 12:51 PM (U6f54)
Replace every single one of them with statues of Navin R. Johnson holding an ashtray, a paddle game, the remote control, the matches, and the lamp.
That'll teach 'em.
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 12:54 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: IP at May 10, 2017 12:54 PM (2hqkh)
843
Shamone!
Posted by: Michael Jackson
Ham on. Ham on. Ham on whole wheat.
https://youtu.be/t2mU6USTBRE
Shamone!
Posted by: Michael Jackson
Ham on. Ham on. Ham on whole wheat.
https://youtu.be/t2mU6USTBRE
Posted by: Weird Al at May 10, 2017 12:54 PM (IqV8l)
844
Nood.
Posted by: HH at May 10, 2017 12:55 PM (DrCtv)
845
Le nood.
Posted by: Country Boy at May 10, 2017 12:55 PM (Jcg9Q)
846
766 The South lost the Civil War because they didn't adopt the Designated Hitter, so offense stagnated.
Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at May 10, 2017 12:30 PM (oZ6kz)
And their crossbows took longer to reload compared to the Union's longbows.
Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at May 10, 2017 12:30 PM (oZ6kz)
And their crossbows took longer to reload compared to the Union's longbows.
Posted by: rickl at May 10, 2017 12:55 PM (xjiRE)
847
In fact, I think there was, literally, an event in 1941 where the speaker was informed of Operation Barbarossa in the course of a speech, and changed his world-view on the spot (from pro- to anti-Germany).
Posted by: rhomboid
Years ago I worked with a guy from China. He said prior to the Nixon visit everything American was bad and people were to attack anything American. Nixon visit and reality changed over night everything American was okay and we had always been their pals. A guy in his town had been in the country when reality changed and wasn't aware of it. When he got back and saw pictures of Nixon and other American things for the visit he attacked them. He was arrested for attacking China's pal and never seen again. I'll never forget that story or the look on the office lefty's faces
Posted by: rhomboid
Years ago I worked with a guy from China. He said prior to the Nixon visit everything American was bad and people were to attack anything American. Nixon visit and reality changed over night everything American was okay and we had always been their pals. A guy in his town had been in the country when reality changed and wasn't aware of it. When he got back and saw pictures of Nixon and other American things for the visit he attacked them. He was arrested for attacking China's pal and never seen again. I'll never forget that story or the look on the office lefty's faces
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 10, 2017 12:56 PM (493sH)
848
No... you left out the part (of both those documents) where states retained their sovereignty and independence. By definition, that means they can leave just like they came in. The word "perpetual" in either document does not change that.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:54 PM (qf8IB)
Yeek. On it's face, a perpetual union means they are unioned perpetually. I mean....
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:54 PM (qf8IB)
Yeek. On it's face, a perpetual union means they are unioned perpetually. I mean....
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:56 PM (CPk08)
849
Replace every single one of them with statues of
Navin R. Johnson holding an ashtray, a paddle game, the remote control,
the matches, and the lamp.
That'll teach 'em.
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 12:54 PM (Bdeb0)
Not as a replacement... but as an addendum that would be cool.
Navin R. Johnson holding an ashtray, a paddle game, the remote control,
the matches, and the lamp.
That'll teach 'em.
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 12:54 PM (Bdeb0)
Not as a replacement... but as an addendum that would be cool.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:57 PM (qf8IB)
850
Whenever I hear some pundit say "Russian investigation" I just substitute "UFO investigation" or "AGW investigation" as having similar basis in reality. The whole Russians hacked the election is a test case in how lies/propaganda are made into conventional wisdom over time.
Posted by: geoffb5 at May 10, 2017 12:57 PM (d3wbb)
851
34 Nathan Bedford Forrest for FBI Director.
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (Bdeb0)
My grandparents attended a church (now gone) across the street from Forrest's tomb/statue. As children, my cousins and I played there after church many, many times. IIRC, there was an effort in Memphis to remove it, but apparently his estate still has control and last I heard it was still in place.
Posted by: General Zod at May 10, 2017 09:37 AM (Bdeb0)
My grandparents attended a church (now gone) across the street from Forrest's tomb/statue. As children, my cousins and I played there after church many, many times. IIRC, there was an effort in Memphis to remove it, but apparently his estate still has control and last I heard it was still in place.
Posted by: Miss Sippi at May 10, 2017 12:57 PM (Tcfj+)
852
Nood naked baboons.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 10, 2017 12:57 PM (72PAC)
853
WooHoo... Nood Monkey thread
Posted by: IP at May 10, 2017 12:54 PM (2hqkh)
Aw crap. I'm probably the only one interested in this one any more. Oh well.
Posted by: IP at May 10, 2017 12:54 PM (2hqkh)
Aw crap. I'm probably the only one interested in this one any more. Oh well.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:57 PM (CPk08)
854
No... you left out the part (of both those
documents) where states retained their sovereignty and independence. By
definition, that means they can leave just like they came in. The word
"perpetual" in either document does not change that.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:54 PM (qf8IB)
Yeek. On it's face, a perpetual union means they are unioned perpetually. I mean....
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:56 PM (CPk0
And yet Article II still explicitly stated that all rights not ceded to congress under the Articles was retained by the sovereign and independent states. Those rights included the right to join or leave the confederation.
documents) where states retained their sovereignty and independence. By
definition, that means they can leave just like they came in. The word
"perpetual" in either document does not change that.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:54 PM (qf8IB)
Yeek. On it's face, a perpetual union means they are unioned perpetually. I mean....
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:56 PM (CPk0
And yet Article II still explicitly stated that all rights not ceded to congress under the Articles was retained by the sovereign and independent states. Those rights included the right to join or leave the confederation.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:59 PM (qf8IB)
855
The Method of the Left:
First they just tire out (normal people) with extreme, incessant demands, that most working people, parents, etc have neither the time nor inclination to fight every day of their lives -- to the point that most of us just look for ways not to argue with them all the time.
Then they keep pestering everyone for AGREEMENT until most people either just give it to them (pro forma) or simply stay quiet.
This goes on for awhile until they resurface with the claim that EVERYONE DEMANDS what they've been pushing you to agree to, and they can point to relatively widespread silence as assent.
The point is that when these f*cktards want to impose ideology on you, e.g. asking you to submit to "diversity training" in your school or workplace (i.e. to endorse racial grievance ideology), or otherwise have you sign onto an ideology with which you disagree (putting up #Blacklivesmatter banners and LGBT flags in your Church) we all need to go on record, right away, that we disagree.
We don't have to fight them all the time, but the minimum bar of dignity and freedom is to at least disagree.
First they just tire out (normal people) with extreme, incessant demands, that most working people, parents, etc have neither the time nor inclination to fight every day of their lives -- to the point that most of us just look for ways not to argue with them all the time.
Then they keep pestering everyone for AGREEMENT until most people either just give it to them (pro forma) or simply stay quiet.
This goes on for awhile until they resurface with the claim that EVERYONE DEMANDS what they've been pushing you to agree to, and they can point to relatively widespread silence as assent.
The point is that when these f*cktards want to impose ideology on you, e.g. asking you to submit to "diversity training" in your school or workplace (i.e. to endorse racial grievance ideology), or otherwise have you sign onto an ideology with which you disagree (putting up #Blacklivesmatter banners and LGBT flags in your Church) we all need to go on record, right away, that we disagree.
We don't have to fight them all the time, but the minimum bar of dignity and freedom is to at least disagree.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 10, 2017 12:59 PM (QtQaN)
856
804 The next time an explorer passed through that area, they reported abandoned cities, and a far sparser population.
Man, timing is everything, isn't it? If they'd arrived a few decades earlier or later...
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 12:46 PM (jh6SF)
It really wouldn't have mattered, DeSoto's travels had the effect of introducing European disease to the Southeast. Had he arrived earlier, the contagion would have just arrived earlier. The society in the Southeast was relatively stagnant. If he hadn't gone there, or went there decades later, disease would have hit them eventually from Mexico. This society did have trade contacts with them as well. It's a lesson as to just how quickly contagion can spread even in a relatively primative neolithic city state based society. Any analysis of the relatively fast conquest of the new world MUST not over emphasize the technology aspect. The disease aspect was, in my opinion, much more important. What good is adoping european technology when your population is a quarter of what it once was and what's left over is scattered to the four winds? It had an Apocalyptic effect on the more advanced Indian societies.
Man, timing is everything, isn't it? If they'd arrived a few decades earlier or later...
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 10, 2017 12:46 PM (jh6SF)
It really wouldn't have mattered, DeSoto's travels had the effect of introducing European disease to the Southeast. Had he arrived earlier, the contagion would have just arrived earlier. The society in the Southeast was relatively stagnant. If he hadn't gone there, or went there decades later, disease would have hit them eventually from Mexico. This society did have trade contacts with them as well. It's a lesson as to just how quickly contagion can spread even in a relatively primative neolithic city state based society. Any analysis of the relatively fast conquest of the new world MUST not over emphasize the technology aspect. The disease aspect was, in my opinion, much more important. What good is adoping european technology when your population is a quarter of what it once was and what's left over is scattered to the four winds? It had an Apocalyptic effect on the more advanced Indian societies.
Posted by: Jackal at May 10, 2017 01:01 PM (/EzgU)
857
Those rights included the right to join or leave the confederation.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:59 PM (qf8IB)
Where is the right to leave the confederation discussed, and in what context? (I mean, you have to establish that this was a legally important right.)
Note: my personal bias is that the South was probably technically in the right, but screwed up both process and intent,. But I am not well informed.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 12:59 PM (qf8IB)
Where is the right to leave the confederation discussed, and in what context? (I mean, you have to establish that this was a legally important right.)
Note: my personal bias is that the South was probably technically in the right, but screwed up both process and intent,. But I am not well informed.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 01:02 PM (CPk08)
858
Jeez, I almost hate to get drawn in, but couldn't you claim the constitution obviate the articles of confederation and the Northwest Ordinance? (again: I am not a lawyer and I know nothing about this).
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:51 PM (CPk0
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Certainly many claim that the Constitution made the Articles irrelevant. But the Constitution did not create a new union - it revised (perhaps replaced is a better term) the Articles (it did not "Repeal and Replace") and certainly has nothing about any right to withdraw from the Union though it was to make the existing perpetual Union more perfect.
The Northwest Ordnance did not disappear from the legal code because the Constitution was adopted. New ordnances later referred to its various provisions as well.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 12:51 PM (CPk0
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Certainly many claim that the Constitution made the Articles irrelevant. But the Constitution did not create a new union - it revised (perhaps replaced is a better term) the Articles (it did not "Repeal and Replace") and certainly has nothing about any right to withdraw from the Union though it was to make the existing perpetual Union more perfect.
The Northwest Ordnance did not disappear from the legal code because the Constitution was adopted. New ordnances later referred to its various provisions as well.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 01:05 PM (SsblQ)
859
385 Without its history, New Orleans is little more than a humid, corrupt, crime-ridden cesspool
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I live there, and unfortunately have for most of my life.
History or no history, it's a pesthole.
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I live there, and unfortunately have for most of my life.
History or no history, it's a pesthole.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 10, 2017 01:06 PM (rO3Rg)
860
Those stories you read about families being split by the War Between the States.
Live it every day. Slit almost right down the middle when the war started and even now....Never the twain shall meet except to be superficially civil...nothing more .
Despite strong northern feelings in the one branch .....I hate withe heat of a thousands suns these Marxists destruction of the images of honorable men who chose a side...may be not wisely but honestly.
And for the record---NO region of the country supplies more soldiers to the USA armed forces and i seen as more openly (almost compulsively) patriotic USA citizens than those current day residents of the once-rebellious South.
And
Those stories you read about families being split by the War Between the States.
Live it every day. Slit almost right down the middle when the war started and even now....Never the twain shall meet except to be superficially civil...nothing more .
Despite strong northern feelings in the one branch .....I hate withe heat of a thousands suns these Marxists destruction of the images of honorable men who chose a side...may be not wisely but honestly.
And for the record---NO region of the country supplies more soldiers to the USA armed forces and i seen as more openly (almost compulsively) patriotic USA citizens than those current day residents of the once-rebellious South.
And
Posted by: Malignantly aggrieved and economically useless at May 10, 2017 01:09 PM (9Absu)
861
The Northwest Ordnance did not disappear from the legal code because the Constitution was adopted. New ordnances later referred to its various provisions as well.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 01:05 PM (SsblQ)
OK, that's cool. Examples? (I realise I'm being pestiferous).
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 01:05 PM (SsblQ)
OK, that's cool. Examples? (I realise I'm being pestiferous).
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 01:10 PM (CPk08)
862
BTW OregonMuse has arrived with a gay baboon or monkey or something...
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 01:12 PM (SsblQ)
863
Unfortunately the 'bluebellies' ain't Republicans...they are spawn of Democrats and aim to destroy the Union, just as their forefather's did.
Posted by: torabora at May 10, 2017 01:16 PM (0+2tr)
864
OK, that's cool. Examples? (I realise I'm being pestiferous).
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 01:10 PM (CPk0
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The first to do so was the Southwest Ordnance of 1790
http://preview.tinyurl.com/kxv52w5
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 01:10 PM (CPk0
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The first to do so was the Southwest Ordnance of 1790
http://preview.tinyurl.com/kxv52w5
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 01:17 PM (SsblQ)
865
The first to do so was the Southwest Ordnance of 1790
http://preview.tinyurl.com/kxv52w5
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 01:17 PM (SsblQ)
Doesn't treat that ordinance as still in effect, though. Just says that the conditions are the same. Thanks though. Didn't know about Northwest Ordinance. Should read more.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/kxv52w5
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 01:17 PM (SsblQ)
Doesn't treat that ordinance as still in effect, though. Just says that the conditions are the same. Thanks though. Didn't know about Northwest Ordinance. Should read more.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 01:22 PM (CPk08)
866
Doesn't treat that ordinance as still in effect, though. Just says that the conditions are the same. Thanks though. Didn't know about Northwest Ordinance. Should read more.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 01:22 PM (CPk0
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The territories and states of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan, and Wiscooonsin were all created on the basis of the 1787 Ordnance. It was still very much in effect.
Contrary to a lot of "conservative though"t, this country did not restart in its entirety (no giant RESET buttons existed yet) in a continental redo with the adoption of the Constitution.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 01:22 PM (CPk0
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The territories and states of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan, and Wiscooonsin were all created on the basis of the 1787 Ordnance. It was still very much in effect.
Contrary to a lot of "conservative though"t, this country did not restart in its entirety (no giant RESET buttons existed yet) in a continental redo with the adoption of the Constitution.
Posted by: RioBravo at May 10, 2017 01:29 PM (SsblQ)
867
Jackson wounds and the pneumonia that caused his death was the result of friendly fire. The result was Jackson was not a Gettysburg. It changed the course of American history.
Posted by: deepred at May 10, 2017 01:30 PM (8oULY)
868
Where is the right to leave the confederation
discussed, and in what context? (I mean, you have to establish that this
was a legally important right.)
Note: my personal bias is that the South was probably technically in
the right, but screwed up both process and intent,. But I am not well
informed.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 01:02 PM (CPk0
It is not discussed in the Articles any more than joining is discussed. But just like modern day GB, the right to make and break alliances is inherent to sovereignty. Since the states did not explicitly give up that right when joining the confederation, they retained it (just as they retained the same right under the Constitution despite Mr. Lincoln's insistence otherwise).
In fact, I have an historian aunt who is fond of pointing out that by forcing the rebellious states to meet the same conditions as territories to rejoin the Union, the North explicitly admitted that the South had the ability to leave the Union in the first place (and had in fact left).
discussed, and in what context? (I mean, you have to establish that this
was a legally important right.)
Note: my personal bias is that the South was probably technically in
the right, but screwed up both process and intent,. But I am not well
informed.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut IN at May 10, 2017 01:02 PM (CPk0
It is not discussed in the Articles any more than joining is discussed. But just like modern day GB, the right to make and break alliances is inherent to sovereignty. Since the states did not explicitly give up that right when joining the confederation, they retained it (just as they retained the same right under the Constitution despite Mr. Lincoln's insistence otherwise).
In fact, I have an historian aunt who is fond of pointing out that by forcing the rebellious states to meet the same conditions as territories to rejoin the Union, the North explicitly admitted that the South had the ability to leave the Union in the first place (and had in fact left).
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 01:30 PM (qf8IB)
869
It is not discussed in the Articles any more than joining is discussed. But just like modern day GB, the right to make and break alliances is inherent to sovereignty. Since the states did not explicitly give up that right when joining the confederation, they retained it (just as they retained the same right under the Constitution despite Mr. Lincoln's insistence otherwise).
In fact, I have an historian aunt who is fond of pointing out that by forcing the rebellious states to meet the same conditions as territories to rejoin the Union, the North explicitly admitted that the South had the ability to leave the Union in the first place (and had in fact left).
If such a right was explicitly discussed/acknowledged contemporaneous to the creation of the articles of confederation, and in particular by the people who drafted and signed those articles, then I think the argument would have more force.
In fact, I have an historian aunt who is fond of pointing out that by forcing the rebellious states to meet the same conditions as territories to rejoin the Union, the North explicitly admitted that the South had the ability to leave the Union in the first place (and had in fact left).
If such a right was explicitly discussed/acknowledged contemporaneous to the creation of the articles of confederation, and in particular by the people who drafted and signed those articles, then I think the argument would have more force.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 10, 2017 01:59 PM (CPk08)
870
@860
"And for the record---NO region of the country supplies more soldiers to the USA armed forces and i seen as more openly (almost compulsively) patriotic USA citizens than those current day residents of the once-rebellious South."
Which only proves that you are the inferior to me, my friends and my children, who would never stoop to join the armed forces, and that you should, therefore, defer to my expertise in all matters of politics and society.
"And for the record---NO region of the country supplies more soldiers to the USA armed forces and i seen as more openly (almost compulsively) patriotic USA citizens than those current day residents of the once-rebellious South."
Which only proves that you are the inferior to me, my friends and my children, who would never stoop to join the armed forces, and that you should, therefore, defer to my expertise in all matters of politics and society.
Posted by: E.N. Sufferable Corksarker at May 10, 2017 01:59 PM (QtQaN)
871
859
385 Without its history, New Orleans is little more than a humid, corrupt, crime-ridden cesspool
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Well the food is great, the booze is plentiful, and the woman are hot and easy.
When you look at it that way, what more could you want?
385 Without its history, New Orleans is little more than a humid, corrupt, crime-ridden cesspool
*
Well the food is great, the booze is plentiful, and the woman are hot and easy.
When you look at it that way, what more could you want?
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 10, 2017 02:06 PM (p8g4F)
872
If such a right was explicitly
discussed/acknowledged contemporaneous to the creation of the articles
of confederation, and in particular by the people who drafted and signed
those articles, then I think the argument would have more force.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 10, 2017 01:59 PM (CPk0
It is explicitly discussed/acknowledged several places in the Federalist Papers and is explicit in both the Articles, which reiterate that states retain their sovereignty, and in the Constitution, in the 10th amendment. Nowhere in either of those voluntary agreements did states give up the right to leave the same way they came in.
discussed/acknowledged contemporaneous to the creation of the articles
of confederation, and in particular by the people who drafted and signed
those articles, then I think the argument would have more force.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 10, 2017 01:59 PM (CPk0
It is explicitly discussed/acknowledged several places in the Federalist Papers and is explicit in both the Articles, which reiterate that states retain their sovereignty, and in the Constitution, in the 10th amendment. Nowhere in either of those voluntary agreements did states give up the right to leave the same way they came in.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 02:32 PM (qf8IB)
873
It is explicitly discussed/acknowledged several places in the Federalist Papers and is explicit in both the Articles, which reiterate that states retain their sovereignty, and in the Constitution, in the 10th amendment. Nowhere in either of those voluntary agreements did states give up the right to leave the same way they came in.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 02:32 PM (qf8IB)
Hm. I don't recall that sovereignity is so defined in the constitution, and the question of whether or not the states prohibited themselves by signing the NW ordinance is precisely the one at stake.However, if in the Federalist papers sovereignty is discussed explicitly in the context of leaving the union, and as a right, then that would be a strong argument. I'll have to look into it more.
My thanks to you both.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 02:32 PM (qf8IB)
Hm. I don't recall that sovereignity is so defined in the constitution, and the question of whether or not the states prohibited themselves by signing the NW ordinance is precisely the one at stake.However, if in the Federalist papers sovereignty is discussed explicitly in the context of leaving the union, and as a right, then that would be a strong argument. I'll have to look into it more.
My thanks to you both.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 10, 2017 02:39 PM (CPk08)
874
Hm. I don't recall that sovereignity is so defined
in the constitution, and the question of whether or not the states
prohibited themselves by signing the NW ordinance is precisely the one
at stake.However, if in the Federalist papers sovereignty is discussed
explicitly in the context of leaving the union, and as a right, then
that would be a strong argument. I'll have to look into it more.
My thanks to you both.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 10, 2017 02:39 PM (CPk0
The states did not sign the NW Ordinance... it was passed by the national congress under the Articles of Confederation.
in the constitution, and the question of whether or not the states
prohibited themselves by signing the NW ordinance is precisely the one
at stake.However, if in the Federalist papers sovereignty is discussed
explicitly in the context of leaving the union, and as a right, then
that would be a strong argument. I'll have to look into it more.
My thanks to you both.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 10, 2017 02:39 PM (CPk0
The states did not sign the NW Ordinance... it was passed by the national congress under the Articles of Confederation.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 02:55 PM (qf8IB)
875
Hm. I don't recall that sovereignity is so defined
in the constitution, and the question of whether or not the states
prohibited themselves by signing the NW ordinance is precisely the one
at stake.However, if in the Federalist papers sovereignty is discussed
explicitly in the context of leaving the union, and as a right, then
that would be a strong argument. I'll have to look into it more.
My thanks to you both.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 10, 2017 02:39 PM (CPk0
The states did not sign the NW Ordinance... it was passed by the national congress under the Articles of Confederation.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 02:55 PM (qf8IB)
And it is not the definition but the lack thereof in those documents that is important. Any rights not explicitly given to the national government under those documents were retained fully by the states. Because the states did not sign off on a prohibition against leaving the union, there was no such prohibition.
The states did not have only rights granted by the federal government. In fact, it was the other way around.
in the constitution, and the question of whether or not the states
prohibited themselves by signing the NW ordinance is precisely the one
at stake.However, if in the Federalist papers sovereignty is discussed
explicitly in the context of leaving the union, and as a right, then
that would be a strong argument. I'll have to look into it more.
My thanks to you both.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 10, 2017 02:39 PM (CPk0
The states did not sign the NW Ordinance... it was passed by the national congress under the Articles of Confederation.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 02:55 PM (qf8IB)
And it is not the definition but the lack thereof in those documents that is important. Any rights not explicitly given to the national government under those documents were retained fully by the states. Because the states did not sign off on a prohibition against leaving the union, there was no such prohibition.
The states did not have only rights granted by the federal government. In fact, it was the other way around.
Posted by: redbanzai at May 10, 2017 02:58 PM (qf8IB)
876
There is a statue of a Confederate soldier in the town square in every county seat in the South : Molon Labe.
Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at May 10, 2017 03:20 PM (YrDFq)
877
Whittier is really, really, good, y'know.
Posted by: dad29 at May 10, 2017 03:54 PM (Xv8QV)
878
I'm glad we solved that one.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 10, 2017 04:36 PM (Ndje9)
879
I memorized Barbara Frietchie in elementary school. It was in a book, "James Thurber's Fables for Our Time," which I loved, though I was too young to understand much of it. I still quote the moral of the Unicorn in the Garden.
Posted by: Lee at May 10, 2017 07:28 PM (PUmCo)
880
So we will emulate ISIS and Al Queda by destroying monuments of the past?
Thanks, Obama and progressives!
As Pogo said, we have met the enemy and they are us.
Thanks, Obama and progressives!
As Pogo said, we have met the enemy and they are us.
Posted by: Joe Mack at May 10, 2017 09:37 PM (mBYZv)
881
General Longstreet was right -- we should have freed the slaves and THEN fired on Fort Sumter.
The American Taliban are hell bent on obliterating ALL of America's history, folks. Being in Yankeeland only means you'll go next. Yes, seriously: have any of you read the current communist propaganda they're pushing? Openly praising Karl Marx in their textbooks now, along with slandering America and vilifying freedom.
The American Taliban are hell bent on obliterating ALL of America's history, folks. Being in Yankeeland only means you'll go next. Yes, seriously: have any of you read the current communist propaganda they're pushing? Openly praising Karl Marx in their textbooks now, along with slandering America and vilifying freedom.
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