Cave: Rather Than Dare the Democrats to Shut Down the Government Over Spending on a Program They Didn't Want, Republicans Cave and Propose Budget with No Funding for Border Wall

So here's how this works:

Republicans can't shut down the government to stop Obamafunding because if you shut down the government you'll be blamed and lose seats. So Republicans must cave.

Democrats can shut down the government with no negative consequences to them, and therefore Republicans must cave when Democrats are going to shut down the government.

Rush Limbaugh was complaining about this dynamic yesterday, saying he had hoped Trump would be the guy who would stand up to the dominant paradigm and say the old rules no longer apply. But apparently not. (Clip after the fold.)

This isn't just Trump's fault -- a lot of Republicans are against the wall and don't want to have to take a vote on it either way. So it's once again Failure Theater -- darn it, those Democrats are stopping us from doing the things we claim we want to do but in fact would always refuse to do!

But it's also a reflection of Trump's relative weakness at the moment -- if he were more popular, he would force fucking Bob Corker and Paul Ryan to vote against the wall and show their colors to the dummies who keep reelecting them.

But he needs some people on his side, so he has to cave to the Republican upscale suburban Establishment that always gets its way.

Think about the MODERATES!!!

So the GOP will be presenting a budget that contains no funding for the wall that Congress actually authorized to be build in 2006, but didn't bother to appropriate money for ("Build the dang fence" -- John McCain, 2010, in a campaign ad when running for reelection), and will only ask for some additional money for enforcement.

The enforcement part of the Trump Administration -- the part where Sessions can just enforce the laws on the books without having to get permission from Congress -- is bearing some fruit. Maybe. The number of illegals intercepted at the border is down 40%, which you can take to mean that fewer illegals are trying to enter the country, or that Trump is actually intercepting a lower percentage than Obama did. (It wouldn't be Trump doing that, I assume, but employees of the US government acting in rebellion.

And the number of deportations back to Mexico is actually down too-- I don't know if "deportation" means real deportations of people already inside the country, or deportations as Obama began defining it to pad his "deportation" numbers, by conflating deportations and mere interceptions/turn-aways at the border.

So I don't even know if the tougher enforcement is having a positive effect, or if the effort is being sabotaged by #TheResistance.

Below, Rush delivers the bad news.

I hope Trump realizes that our tolerance for his shakiness in standing up his government and in delivering on promises is not without limits.

Posted by: Ace at 01:45 PM

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1 Lift off and nuke the city from orbit.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 01:37 PM (CPk08)

2 First to lean right.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 26, 2017 01:37 PM (nlbfN)

3
Do you see what happens without a wall? Italicans! Swarming all over the place!

Posted by: ...and so began the donnybrook at April 26, 2017 01:37 PM (+fNrM)

4 ?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 01:37 PM (CPk08)

5 But they will be funding Planned Parenthood and not the Wall so that's the compromise!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 26, 2017 01:38 PM (nlbfN)

6 The new shit is looking too much like the old shit.

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 26, 2017 01:38 PM (tVWQB)

7 This is throwing shade at my winning.

Posted by: USMC8541 One Shot to Slay them All at April 26, 2017 01:38 PM (xGZ+b)

8 No shock here.

Posted by: SMOD Keeper at April 26, 2017 01:38 PM (onq2p)

9 We have no opposition Party and RINO Ryan sucks. This is why Trump can't get anything done. And I don't think the RINOs actually want the wall.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 26, 2017 01:39 PM (mpXpK)

10 This was the hill that Trump should have been willing to die on.

Now they know they can roll him.

I honestly believe these people saying they won't vote for a wall behind closed doors WOULD vote for it once they saw it could be a career ender to buck Trump and the American people.

Posted by: Maritime at April 26, 2017 01:39 PM (uvyU0)

11 Trump is wounded right now.... By his own party....

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 26, 2017 01:39 PM (O2RFr)

12 So we don't get the wall, but Lena Dunham gets the pill?

I'm getting tired of winning now.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 26, 2017 01:40 PM (J+eG2)

13 I hope Trump realizes that our tolerance for his shakiness in standing up his government and in delivering on promises is not without limits.

I'm done with them. Straight anti-incumbent voting for the next twenty years. Fuck them.

Ted Cruz, you'd best take a SC seat if offered. Hint. Hint.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 01:40 PM (rvtDF)

14 But they did keep funding for planned babykilling as a sop to their base, right?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 26, 2017 01:40 PM (7ZVPa)

15 And the power of [ /i ] in my sock saves the comments on this page at least, comrade. The Italican Fifth Column is stopped here. For now.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 26, 2017 01:40 PM (nlbfN)

16 Democrats know where more bodies are buried than Republicans do.

Posted by: vrf at April 26, 2017 01:40 PM (baCC+)

17 I'm shocked. NOT.

We all knew going in that the GOPe is the real problem. Without a change in leadership the GOP will never change.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 26, 2017 01:40 PM (i0ykY)

18 A familiar type of question to ask: If Republicans were actually, you know, opposed to any sort of conservative agenda, what would they be doing differently?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2017 01:40 PM (TOk1P)

19 The Unitparty is full of scum, all of them.

Did they really keep the funding for baby killing?

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at April 26, 2017 01:41 PM (72PAC)

20 Trump should pull an Obama and take money from some liberal program and assign it to the wall and tell RINO Ryan to eat a BODs.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 26, 2017 01:41 PM (mpXpK)

21 The compromise Repair and Rename Obamacare pretty much kicks the can to the states to man up and do away with mandatory precondition coverage and similar cost increasing bullshit, too.

But as has been oft said, we aren't voting our way out of this.

Posted by: Methos, back to wait and see at April 26, 2017 01:41 PM (3Liv/)

22 The Red Rat Commie Bastards of the Democratic Party are our opponents. The Republican Leadership are our enemies.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 26, 2017 01:41 PM (LTHVh)

23 Yeah. Time to up my game acquiring more pmags again.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 26, 2017 01:41 PM (UOJLJ)

24 20 Trump should pull an Obama and take money from some liberal program and assign it to the wall and tell RINO Ryan to eat a BODs.

Let him try...

Posted by: Ninth Circus Court of Appeals at April 26, 2017 01:42 PM (O2RFr)

25 I sort of had this theory if Trump couldn't repeal Obamacare and get the wall funded in the first 100 days, it was never going to get done.

I hope I'm wrong.

Whatever you think of the wall and its effectiveness, Trump failing at this will make it far more likely he doesn't gets reelected and it will also badly cost Republicans in subsequent elections.

It will be like Bush's "Read My Lips!" promise.

Posted by: Maritime at April 26, 2017 01:42 PM (uvyU0)

26 And the power of [ /i ] in my sock saves the comments on this page at least, comrade. The Italican Fifth Column is stopped here. For now.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 26, 2017 01:40 PM (nlbfN)

Not impressed. The Romanians and Albanians were able to stop them as well.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2017 01:42 PM (TOk1P)

27 Well, as the old joke says, that's one.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 26, 2017 01:43 PM (6KsvZ)

28 Trump is wounded right now.... By his own party....
Posted by: It's Me donna at April 26, 2017 01:39 PM (O2RFr)

Unexpectedly!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 26, 2017 01:43 PM (6KsvZ)

29 Trump = Loser

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 26, 2017 01:43 PM (LTHVh)

30 I've not listened to Rush in a long time, but he sounds terrible in that clip. Has he been sick?

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 26, 2017 01:43 PM (OD2ni)

31 Whatever you think of the wall and its effectiveness, Trump failing at this will make it far more likely he doesn't gets reelected and it will also badly cost Republicans in subsequent elections.

How can it hurt the Uniparty any more than now?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 01:43 PM (rvtDF)

32
The GOP, in all variants, can FOADIAF as far as I'm concerned. They have no backbone for anything that they run their mouths about.

Changed my voting registration to "unaffiliated" last week when I re-upped my driver's license.

Posted by: ...and so began the donnybrook at April 26, 2017 01:44 PM (+fNrM)

33 21
The compromise Repair and Rename Obamacare pretty much kicks the can to
the states to man up and do away with mandatory precondition coverage
and similar cost increasing bullshit, too.

But as has been oft said, we aren't voting our way out of this.

Posted by: Methos, back to wait and see at April 26, 2017 01:41 PM (3Liv/)

From what little I have seen the "new" Repubocare bill is the same as the one that was shot down. Evidently those few conservatives we had have sold out.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 26, 2017 01:44 PM (mpXpK)

34 Did I get in before the GOP apologists ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 26, 2017 01:44 PM (9anvi)

35 Not impressed. The Romanians and Albanians were able to stop them as well.
But they were using mercenaries from Peruvia so it doesn't count.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 26, 2017 01:44 PM (nlbfN)

36 We threw the bums out...

...but they seem to have been replaced by new bums.

Do we increase the Discontent Level from "Pitchforks" to "Muskets"?

Posted by: zombie at April 26, 2017 01:44 PM (DQ4Fv)

37 I hope Trump realizes that our tolerance for his shakiness in
standing up his government and in delivering on promises is not without
limits.
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This times 1000.

At some point, assuming we still care about elections, we need to start thinking about who we run in 2020.

Posted by: Methos, back to wait and see at April 26, 2017 01:44 PM (3Liv/)

38 sock change

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 26, 2017 01:44 PM (p+Wdc)

39 Primary every single RINO squish...

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 26, 2017 01:45 PM (PNYug)

40 I'm so glad Daddeh is listening to us again.

Posted by: Jarvanka at April 26, 2017 01:45 PM (UOJLJ)

41 I think this is an open game still, we'll see what happens. After all, its only been just under 100 days. Congress is definitely hostile toward Trump and everything he stands for, but there are tricks Donald Trump can do to fund what he wants done, and there's money to build a wall with, just not finish the whole thing. So he can get some done.

I suspect, though, that Trump's vast ego won't let him fail or be denied so he'll shift and start going for things that congress likes so he can get victories.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 26, 2017 01:45 PM (39g3+)

42 @Under Fire

Surplusammo dot com

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 26, 2017 01:45 PM (6KsvZ)

43 I was a fan of a government shutdown but now is not the time. Which is why Schumer wants it now.

Pushing Trump's legislative agenda needs to be the immediate priority. The GOPe could be the enemy here.

I trust Sessions on immigration

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 26, 2017 01:45 PM (SIY7D)

44 On the bright side, Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 26, 2017 01:45 PM (LTHVh)

45 Does "GOP apologists" include NeverTrumpers, ScoggDog?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 26, 2017 01:45 PM (nlbfN)

46
Well, look on the bright side. At least the GOP is funding Planned Parenthood.

/S

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 26, 2017 01:45 PM (mbhDw)

47 Budgets are decided on by Congress, right? So if a Republican budget looks that much like a Democrat one, how is that all on Trump? It's no longer adorable that people still think obviously popular and useful ideas can take root in Congress, just because the institution is theoretically responsible to voters.

Personally, I hope that there is a shutdown, and Trump just takes increases financial power from Congress. Lock the doors to the House, if you must.

Posted by: trev006 at April 26, 2017 01:46 PM (PV68n)

48
This is what you voted for: Status Quo Republicans

I told you so.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 01:46 PM (5Kf7w)

49 44 On the bright side, Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 26, 2017 01:45 PM (LTHVh)

How does that feed my kids?!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 26, 2017 01:46 PM (mbhDw)

50 We are at this point partly because the Welfare/Parasite Class calls all the fucking shots on domestic policy.

Even though during a shutdown, welfare stills flows as heavily as it normally does, the fear has been instilled in way too many people, both on and off the dole, that the freebie spigot may be turned off.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 26, 2017 01:46 PM (vg8iE)

51 @zombie

We aren't quite at pitchfork level, yet. At the fists and bats level, maybe.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 26, 2017 01:46 PM (6KsvZ)

52 So we don't get the wall, but Lena Dunham gets the pill?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 26, 2017 01:40 PM (J+eG2)

I would pay cash out of my wallet personally if it meant she never shoots out a sprog.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 26, 2017 01:46 PM (8nWyX)

53 The media won this round. They can spin a Republican shut down to hurt Republicans and they can spin a Democrat shut down to hurt Republicans.

And that's the way it is...April 25, 2017.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 26, 2017 01:46 PM (3myMJ)

54
btw, director of Silence of the Lambs, Jonathan Demme is mort.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 01:46 PM (5Kf7w)

55 46
Well, look on the bright side. At least the GOP is funding Planned Parenthood.

/S
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Daddy needs a new fetal heart valve. Where else am I gonna get one?

Posted by: zombie at April 26, 2017 01:46 PM (DQ4Fv)

56 just out of curiosity, does Ace get Barrelled like the rest of us?

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 26, 2017 01:46 PM (PNYug)

57
Ted Cruz El Chapo Borde Wall Funding Bill.

DO IT!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 26, 2017 01:46 PM (mbhDw)

58 This was the hill that Trump should have been willing to die on.

Now they know they can roll him.
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Yeah, don't expect any winning that involves the House.

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 01:47 PM (3Liv/)

59 I haven't voted for an incumbent for 10 years, but most people do. Most people don't know who is running or what is going on, so if they vote they just vote for the guy already there. That's as far as it goes for them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 26, 2017 01:47 PM (39g3+)

60 But they will continue to fund Planned Parenthood, so there is that. /s

Posted by: Abby Normal at April 26, 2017 01:47 PM (cQO95)

61 Presiden

Posted by: ShainS at April 26, 2017 01:47 PM (P0XdL)

62 44 On the bright side, Hillary Clinton will never be President of the United States.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 26, 2017 01:45 PM (LTHVh)

What difference, at this point, does it make? In 5-10 years, everything she would have done will be done, even with a GOP majority.

Posted by: josephistan at April 26, 2017 01:47 PM (7HtZB)

63 Well, fuck.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 26, 2017 01:47 PM (0mRoj)

64 @Soothsayer

yeah, cancer sucks....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 26, 2017 01:48 PM (6KsvZ)

65 42 surplusammo...
Yup. Taking a ride down to Taco-ma this weekend.

Posted by: Jarvanka at April 26, 2017 01:48 PM (UOJLJ)

66 We are so happy that that idiot Trump got caugts lyings and the Affartable Hellth Caare Act lives. This means that :Fart-Tubing" in Brattleboro remained funded for all. Thanx you Presdent Obama and Senitor Shoemmer...We love you...

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at April 26, 2017 01:48 PM (WmgTn)

67 Ace, regarding Strat-O-Matic (from the previous thread), my dad and I got bored with the "regular" game one summer so we invented our own. We took turns drafting players until we had a 24 man roster, but OUR rules said we could only take hitters who batted .225 or less and only select pitchers with an ERA of 5.00 or higher. It made us use players we would never otherwise use, and the awful hitters facing awful pitching kept the game balanced!

Posted by: Crusader at April 26, 2017 01:48 PM (ewSN2)

68 It seems several of us had the same thought about PP.

Great minds and all that.

Posted by: Abby Normal at April 26, 2017 01:48 PM (cQO95)

69 We knew the RINOs and GOPe would sell us out ... our hope with Trump was that he would at least confront them, and expose them as treacherous globalists. Trump instead seems to be trying to placate them ... or he figures being pragmatic is to not be impeached/shot and do a few things at least.

With all the Goldman Sachs boyz he has, and other globalist types, hard to say where this goes. Two Democrat Kushners ... how did they become so prominent? At least there have been some good EOs, some good changes, better judges at every level for 4-8 years, etc.

But most of the GOPe is globalist and long ago sold out middle America. 2018 needs to remove a few of them that laugh at the idea of a wall.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (TmCOq)

70 A compromise solution:

We fund Planned Parenthood -- on the condition they build the border wall.

Posted by: zombie at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (DQ4Fv)

71 I hope Trump realizes that our tolerance for his shakiness in standing up his government and in delivering on promises is not without limits.
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Oh good God Rush, take a Midol.

If our Hero doesn't wrap up the undoinds of Obama's 8 years of dastardly deeds by the end of Rush's 3 hour show- ALL IS LOST -

*wails *
*gnashes teeth*

Important, permanent change takes time.

And Soundbite Nation has the patience of a meth-addled rhesus monkey.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (awqUF)

72 President Cruz would not have caved ... but, sadly, would not have been elected either.

Posted by: ShainS at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (P0XdL)

73 30 I've not listened to Rush in a long time, but he sounds terrible in that clip. Has he been sick?
=========

Probably poor audio quality. He's fine.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (vg8iE)

74 There is a long game here. For once we have someone at the top who understands how to fight like the leftards do.

I have no problem with anyone screaming for Trump or anyone to do something for US. Or for that matter anything he promised.

But for fuck's sake, if people are getting wobbly 90 days in, it had better fuckin NOT be the people who told us he was never going to beat Hillary, or that he was working for her, or any other of the raft of shit Trump supporters had to listen to for 18 months.

Long game. Trump is a master strategist working in a sea of stinging jellyfish opposition. By all means bitch, but ffs don't get wobbly YET. Give him some freakin time.

Posted by: Mega at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (hHFOx)

75 exactly. just who is in the majority! we've seen it in the committees, too, where it appears the democrats are directing what is investigated, who must be recused, etc.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (WTSFk)

76 The congressional GOP is in a kind of through-the-looking-glass fucked-up Stockholm syndrome. Ryan has managed to remove the buttplug Obama had installed in him (that would be the well-worn bung that Boehner squired around for so long), and is seeking to make Trump its new host.

When you've got them on the ground, you don't stop stomping until they're done. Jeez.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (Bdeb0)

77 It is far worse than the headline here. The Dems got everything they wanted budgeted and the GOP not a single thing.

Posted by: pat at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (4MSOz)

78 Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.

Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (gbWkA)

79 Jeb! won afterall.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (IqV8l)

80 "everything she would have done will be done"

Billions in bribes won't be payed. At least not to the Clinton foundation.

I see cracks in the foundation. Once the Central banks turn on one another ...

Posted by: Ok at April 26, 2017 01:50 PM (OE5e7)

81 And Soundbite Nation has the patience of a meth-addled rhesus monkey.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (awqUF)

I have to agree with you....

Posted by: Ninth Circus Court of Appeals at April 26, 2017 01:50 PM (O2RFr)

82 I'm sure if we're reasonable, they'll be reasonable.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 26, 2017 01:50 PM (Nwg0u)

83 I would pay cash out of my wallet personally if it meant she never shoots out a sprog.
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Don't worry, much like an alcoholic who is prone to falling off the wagon, she won't be able to resist the urge to abort.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 26, 2017 01:50 PM (vg8iE)

84
http://ammoseek.com
https://www.wikiarms.com

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 26, 2017 01:51 PM (LTHVh)

85 I'm so old , I remember the commentariati on this very site shitting their collective Depends when Ted Cruz filibustered.

"Dr. Seuss will KILL US ALL !!11!!"

sheesh.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her at April 26, 2017 01:51 PM (awqUF)

86 "... just out of curiosity, does Ace get Barrelled like the rest of us?"

Yes, but he has his own barrel.

It's a replica of Elvis Presley's bedroom.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 26, 2017 01:51 PM (3myMJ)

87 Yikes!!!!

Posted by: running around with my hair on fire... at April 26, 2017 01:51 PM (O2RFr)

88 This is exactly why I changed my registration from R to I. ASSHOLES! All the money I gave these ASSHOLES over the years!

Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 01:51 PM (gbWkA)

89 @zombie

We aren't quite at pitchfork level, yet. At the fists and bats level, maybe.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Call me when we get to the AR level.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 01:51 PM (rvtDF)

90 So you'll vote for Elizabeth Warren in 2020?
Seems like an idle threat.

Posted by: gewa76 at April 26, 2017 01:51 PM (f4GSC)

91 Golly Gee willikers!

Even my little boy knows he can't get everything he wants!

Posted by: It's Chelsea! at April 26, 2017 01:52 PM (CPk08)

92 If our Hero doesn't wrap up the undoinds

==

wtf was I saying there? Is that even a word?

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her at April 26, 2017 01:52 PM (awqUF)

93
If President Trump goes to Pennsylvania and delivers the Same Old Shit, I will not be pleased.

I don't want to hear the same speech.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 01:52 PM (5Kf7w)

94 A compromise solution:

We fund Planned Parenthood -- on the condition they build the border wall.
Posted by: zombie at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (DQ4Fv)

Ha! I'm pay real money to see PP types doing manual labor.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 26, 2017 01:52 PM (6KsvZ)

95 We fund Planned Parenthood -- on the condition they build the border wall.
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They will insist a clinic be built in the wall. After all, Nancy Pelosi wants open borders so all those brown people can exercise the human right of abortion (not joking).

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 26, 2017 01:52 PM (vg8iE)

96 We fund Planned Parenthood -- on the condition they build the border wall.
But dead-baby skulls are worth alot of money! Think of PP's bottom line, zombie!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 26, 2017 01:53 PM (nlbfN)

97 Good News!

The Republicans are going to finance Planned Parenthood.

I am so proud.

/sarc

Posted by: rd at April 26, 2017 01:53 PM (iT57s)

98 "Long game. Trump is a master strategist working in a sea of stinging jellyfish opposition. By all means bitch, but ffs don't get wobbly YET. Give him some freakin time."

Yep. Chatter is that Trump is going to use an EO to pull out of NAFTA (or at least threaten). Hitting Canada on timber and milk was a shot aimed at Mexico

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 26, 2017 01:53 PM (SIY7D)

99 43 + 85: Exactly.

Posted by: LASue, deplorable, but at least not French at April 26, 2017 01:53 PM (CLKfs)

100 Too pessimistic. Not enough real money to go around. Prices for stuff in Walmart and other retailers are going to jump 40%. They will be doing tax cuts like crazy to try to get people to buy stuff that isn't food.

Posted by: Ok at April 26, 2017 01:53 PM (OE5e7)

101 In his tax plan, Trump dorks blue states in the squeak hole

Posted by: ThunderB at April 26, 2017 01:53 PM (qzt3j)

102 16 Democrats know where more bodies are buried than Republicans do.
Posted by: vrf at April 26, 2017 01:40 PM (baCC+)

What is sad is that this is perfectly plausible. See Hasteart, Denny.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 26, 2017 01:53 PM (ujg0T)

103 l'll talk to this Schumer! He's a reasonable man, open to negotiation. He promised us safe passage! He gave his word!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 26, 2017 01:53 PM (LTHVh)

104
And the number of deportations back to Mexico is actually down too--

Juan Williams loves to say that Obama was the "deporter in chief."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 26, 2017 01:53 PM (IqV8l)

105 " just out of curiosity, does Ace get Barrelled like the rest of us?"

Ask Ace about the time that he banned himself.

The stuff of legends.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 26, 2017 01:54 PM (J+eG2)

106 NY and CA are going to scream like stuck pigs

Posted by: ThunderB at April 26, 2017 01:54 PM (qzt3j)

107 This and Coulter cancelling.

Not good.

Cowards.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 26, 2017 01:54 PM (2x9LM)

108 I can never get over how my liberal family members in Wisconsin, far from the plague of illegal immigration (but not for much longer) who are also hard-core environmentalists and always crying about effects overpopulation can't bring themselves to support an end to the border chaos. Just one little sign of sanity and break from leftist dogma. But no, just mindlessly repeating the talking points because they are compassionate and somehow also believe the hordes of illegals will not use resources, have babies, destroy the environment like evil conservatives.

Posted by: Ripley at April 26, 2017 01:55 PM (1BQGO)

109 Build the wall out of dead baby skulls. Be more effective than concrete.

Posted by: Ok at April 26, 2017 01:55 PM (OE5e7)

110 It is far worse than the headline here. The Dems got everything they wanted budgeted and the GOP not a single thing.
Posted by: pat at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (4MSOz)

No, the GOP is just doing a good job of hiding from you what they really want.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 26, 2017 01:55 PM (3myMJ)

111 Juan Williams loves to say that Obama was the "deporter in chief."
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Juan Williams doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 26, 2017 01:55 PM (vg8iE)

112 Doesn't Trump have a rally set for tomorrow night?

He's going to have to say "Build the wall."

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 26, 2017 01:55 PM (ZQpd0)

113 88 This is exactly why I changed my registration from R to I. ASSHOLES! All the money I gave these ASSHOLES over the years!
Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 01:51 PM (gbWkA)

hey...

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 01:55 PM (CPk08)

114 Why is it Obama could find pallets full of cash to give to Iran when it was explicitly illegal, yet Trump can't find any money to build a wall the law requires he builds?

Posted by: Socratease at April 26, 2017 01:56 PM (FqHs5)

115 Long game. Trump is a master strategist working in a sea of stinging jellyfish opposition. By all means bitch, but ffs don't get wobbly YET. Give him some freakin time.

Jesus Christ!
How much fucking time does he need to publicly announce the DOJ is arresting sanctuary city politicians? The DOJ is cracking amerifa heads?Stripping fed funding of sanctuary cities? Arresting judges that facilitate breaking fed law?

Shouldn't take more than one press conference.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 01:56 PM (rvtDF)

116 Mortimer Johnson is right!

Posted by: Olsen Johnson at April 26, 2017 01:56 PM (IqV8l)

117 can u imagine the depths of protocanabalistic feral socialism the moderates would've been driven to if the wall had been built?

I mean, the GOP is just barely getting over the stinging loss 2016 put upon them when trump showed that we were all a bunch of quote "like nazis, man". I mean, sure we won, but some of our liberal friends are really upset. You can't live with that pain.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at April 26, 2017 01:56 PM (55//3)

118 Juan Williams doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Posted by: bicentennialguy
==

they are pretty similar...

DAMMIT, GIVE ME TIME TO THINK

Posted by: Juan Williams at April 26, 2017 01:56 PM (awqUF)

119 102, 16,
" Democrats know where more bodies are buried than Republicans do.

Posted by: vrf at April 26, 2017 01:40 PM (baCC+)

What is sad is that this is perfectly plausible. See Hasteart, Denny."

See Obama/NSA/CIA monitoring all electronic communications for blackmail-extortion purposes.

Posted by: geoffb5 at April 26, 2017 01:56 PM (d3wbb)

120 So you'll vote for Elizabeth Warren in 2020?

Seems like an idle threat.
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Staying home is always a viable option

I mean Obama didn't do anything so awful that we had to undo it as soon as possible (according to the GOP's actions) so what is there to fear from a president warren?

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 01:56 PM (3Liv/)

121 I prefer to look at positive signs:

Trump proposes repealing estate tax, alternative minimum tax

Cohn says Trump's proposal is to immediately phase out the death tax on estates.

That's good for me!

Posted by: gewa76 at April 26, 2017 01:57 PM (f4GSC)

122 Doesn't Trump have a rally set for tomorrow night?

He's going to have to say "Build the wall."

See #115. He needs to say way more than that.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 01:57 PM (rvtDF)

123 114 Why is it Obama could find pallets full of cash to give to Iran when it was explicitly illegal, yet Trump can't find any money to build a wall the law requires he builds?
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Ever hear the old expression, "People have money for what they want to have money for?"

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 26, 2017 01:57 PM (vg8iE)

124 I saw the other day that Ryno is even less popular than Boner was.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 26, 2017 01:57 PM (Nwg0u)

125 Hitting Canada on timber and milk was a shot aimed at Mexico
Sure, Trump! Screw up my milk-cow-barn-building-and-trebuchet business! And to think I supported him here at the HQ from the beginning.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 26, 2017 01:57 PM (nlbfN)

126 I mean Obama didn't do anything so awful that we had to undo it as soon as possible (according to the GOP's actions) so what is there to fear from a president warren?

Yes! That will really help!Emergency,emergency,panic,panic!!!

Posted by: running around with my hair on fire... at April 26, 2017 01:58 PM (O2RFr)

127 trump is relatively weak because his position is one of a president of a third party. The GOP is not his party because they're still worried about losing the 2016 election if Trump keeps making sanctuary states bake that cake. Only GOP base should be made to bake that cake.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at April 26, 2017 01:58 PM (55//3)

128 Staying home is always a viable option

I mean Obama didn't do anything so awful that we had to undo it as soon as possible (according to the GOP's actions) so what is there to fear from a president warren?

Shoulda stayed home and let Hillary win, then.

Posted by: gewa76 at April 26, 2017 01:58 PM (f4GSC)

129 Trump proposes repealing estate tax, alternative minimum tax

Cohn says Trump's proposal is to immediately phase out the death tax on estates.

That's good for me!

Are you dying?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 26, 2017 01:58 PM (LTHVh)

130 This sums up my disgust with Washington: Heard a news update on WMAL, a Washington area news station. They were talking about Trump briefing the Senate on NK. The news reader said, "As of now, Senate members are being bussed to the White House." Bussed! They can't walk the length of a football field to the WH? Aaaarrrggghhh! Fat-assed, lazy, entitled, elitists. Bussed? Give me a freaking break.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at April 26, 2017 01:58 PM (FXQZq)

131 My only hope is that the Democrats decide to "embarass" President Trump and block the bill anyway leading to a shutdown.

Then the Trump says FU, I will not sign any bill unless it funds the wall, expands the military and cuts the hell out of the EPA, DOE, DOEd, and everything else.

Posted by: rd at April 26, 2017 01:58 PM (iT57s)

132 "liberal family members"

Check their livelihood. Bet it is tied to the leftest agenda. Union members support abortion cause it gets them what they think is in their best interests, eg minimum wage increases for one. And so on and so forth.

People won't admit that they are crass even to themselves. Always for the greater good.

Posted by: Ok at April 26, 2017 01:58 PM (OE5e7)

133
And the Republicans are already getting pummeled on tax reform.

Democrats wasted no time moving on to the next item on the agenda to kill it in its tracks.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 01:59 PM (5Kf7w)

134 right, Obama had his stash but GOP can't access the same cash stash that liberals have acecesss to

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at April 26, 2017 01:59 PM (55//3)

135 >>so what is there to fear from a president warren? Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 01:56 PM (3Liv/)

Nothing, pilgrim. Magua has white women to own, but he will lead you to her lodge first.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 01:59 PM (Bdeb0)

136 Sure, Trump! Screw up my milk-cow-barn-building-and-trebuchet business! And to think I supported him here at the HQ from the beginning.

Posted by: andycanuck
===

Just look at what he did to Venezuela!

Posted by: a semi-sentient animatronic cashew at April 26, 2017 01:59 PM (awqUF)

137 Meanwhile, Trump's tax proposal is a much bigger fucking deal

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 26, 2017 01:59 PM (SIY7D)

138 We fund Planned Parenthood -- on the condition they build the border wall.

Posted by: zombie at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (DQ4Fv)

...and perform hysterectomies on all their "clients" to cut down on "frequent flyers". After all, is that not what Margaret Sanger would have wanted?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 26, 2017 02:00 PM (0deF2)

139 "Are you dying?"

No but my rich relatives are.

Posted by: Ok at April 26, 2017 02:00 PM (OE5e7)

140
Trump needs to agree to 24 hour CR ONLY.

Make Congress stay in session until they do what they're supposed to do.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:00 PM (5Kf7w)

141 134
Exactly. Obama could print money, Trump can't find a dime.

Posted by: pat at April 26, 2017 02:00 PM (4MSOz)

142
"As of now, Senate members are being bussed to the White House." Bussed! They can't walk the length of a football field to the WH? Aaaarrrggghhh! Fat-assed, lazy, entitled, elitists. Bussed? Give me a freaking break.
Posted by: Russkilitlover

Were no limousines available?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 26, 2017 02:00 PM (IqV8l)

143 Shoulda stayed home and let Hillary win, then.

You saying the dems didn't?

Ocare repealed? Wall built?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:01 PM (rvtDF)

144 Build the wall out of dead baby skulls. Be more effective than concrete.
Posted by: Ok at April 26, 2017 01:55 PM (OE5e7)
See #96, Ok.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 26, 2017 02:01 PM (nlbfN)

145
Trump would be stupid to let Congress kick the can down the road yet again.

Make them stay in session EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:01 PM (5Kf7w)

146 Does the Trump Train run out of coal, derail tomorrow night?

Posted by: Jarvanka at April 26, 2017 02:01 PM (UOJLJ)

147 Are you dying?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 26, 2017 01:58 PM (LTHVh)

We're all dying with each day that passes, but while I'm alive I'd like to keep more of my inheritance.

Posted by: gewa76 at April 26, 2017 02:01 PM (f4GSC)

148 Of course this doesn't make me "happy" but I don't particularly care for Rush...So I'm gonna take a wait and see approach...

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 26, 2017 02:01 PM (O2RFr)

149 You saying the dems didn't?

Ocare repealed? Wall built?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:01 PM (rvtDF)

Let's not overreact. Imagine a Justice Lieawatha instead of Goresuch.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 26, 2017 02:02 PM (ujg0T)

150 >>Make Congress stay in session until they do what they're supposed to do. Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:00 PM (5Kf7w)

...and then immediately kick them out of town for at least ten days so Trump can get some appointees into desks.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 02:02 PM (Bdeb0)

151 and of course the GOP learned one lesson from 1995's shutdown...Ross Perot had nothing to do with Bob Dole's loss to Clinton.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at April 26, 2017 02:02 PM (55//3)

152 Posted by: Russkilitlover at April 26, 2017 01:58 PM (FXQZq

It is more than a football field in length.

Senators Thad Cochran and Roberts are likely to wander off like the Alzheimers patients they are.

Al Franken will get in a fight with a homeless dude.

Two or three senators will get mugged by the wonderful folks in DC.

Posted by: rd at April 26, 2017 02:02 PM (iT57s)

153 Frell it.

I'm buying one of the new Ruger Mk IV's.

Mostly unrelated but I want to cheer myself up. So that means making holes in paper.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 26, 2017 02:02 PM (6KsvZ)

154 Fat-assed, lazy, entitled, elitists. Bussed? Give me a freaking break.
Posted by: Russkilitlover

Were no limousines available?
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Hyoog future in hover chairs.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:02 PM (awqUF)

155 Why is it Obama could find pallets full of cash to give to Iran when it was explicitly illegal, yet Trump can't find any money to build a wall the law requires he builds?
Posted by: Socratease at April 26, 2017 01:56 PM (FqHs5)

Key word is illegal. Trump doesn't do that. He even allows judges to stop him when he could go temporarily lawless and probably win in the end.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 26, 2017 02:02 PM (3myMJ)

156 This is such bullshit.

Republicans hold majorities in both houses and the White House ... yet somehow they can't pass shit they promised over Dem objections ?

Horseshit.

Repubs are not passing this stuff because a good number of them don't want too. Schumer's just playing "bad cop".

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 26, 2017 02:02 PM (9anvi)

157 I hope Trump also realizes that we didn't vote for his lefty daughter and her lefty husband.

Ivanka and her "of course we must take in Syrian refugees" bullshit is not going to fly. I don't care how many tony NYC cocktail parties she and her hubby get frozen out of.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 26, 2017 02:02 PM (riF5p)

158 Bussed? Give me a freaking break.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at April 26, 2017 01:58 PM (FXQZq)

Thought it may have been phrasing. Nope.

Lawmakers will travel together in a fleet of buses from across town to attend the hour-long mid-afternoon briefing.
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And it's a nice day out!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 26, 2017 02:03 PM (2x9LM)

159
Exactly. Obama could print money, Trump can't find a dime.

Holy shit. Yep.

Those cocksucker Republicans allowed obama to literally print cash.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:03 PM (5Kf7w)

160 Trump has nuked the Overton Window on climate change, that's a positive thing. And the push back on political correctness has been helpful. There are some small victories, he he may become a perma-duck.

Posted by: Max Power at April 26, 2017 02:03 PM (q177U)

161 Yeah canuck, what would we ever do without bagged milk and glorified ham that you call bacon?

Posted by: Jarvanka at April 26, 2017 02:03 PM (UOJLJ)

162 Dear Mr. Trump,
My patience is wearing thin. Do not provoke me further.
Signed,
Strobe

Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 02:03 PM (gbWkA)

163 The GOP's "eat-me-last" politics. Fascinating.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 02:04 PM (Bdeb0)

164 I'm buying one of the new Ruger Mk IV's.

Mostly unrelated but I want to cheer myself up. So that means making holes in paper.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 26, 2017 02:02 PM (6KsvZ)

If you have the cash/patience/local laws to swing it, look into a suppressor. Few things are more giggleworthy than a suppressed .22.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 26, 2017 02:04 PM (8nWyX)

165 Ivanka and her "of course we must take in Syrian refugees" bullshit is not going to fly. I don't care how many tony NYC cocktail parties she and her hubby get frozen out

I'm not a fan of hers but she said we must "Discuss" taking Syrian refugees... a bit different...

Posted by: It's Me donna at April 26, 2017 02:04 PM (O2RFr)

166 So Republicans must cave.

The Trogpublican party. Composed of moles and rats.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 26, 2017 02:04 PM (vRcUp)

167 Shoulda stayed home and let Hillary win, then.

Posted by: gewa76 at April 26, 2017 01:58 PM (f4GSC)

Do you have anything meaningful to say?
I was making the point that voters that don't get what they voted for *don't show up to vote for that guy again*. So far what has Trump delivered? We had lots of posts about winning, but they were all in terms of personnel (which have turned out to be a mixed bag) and EOs which in theory will deliver something someday, but what exactly have any of us who voted for Trump actually 'won' yet?

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:04 PM (3Liv/)

168 Let's not overreact. Imagine a Justice Lieawatha instead of Goresuch.

Sorry. The dems are running it. The repubs are reacting to it. Badly.

The repubs should be shoving EVERYTHING down the dems throats and up their asses.

Winning? We ain't won shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:04 PM (rvtDF)

169 Just look at what he did to Venezuela!
Yeah, I saw that on Twitter. Hilarious.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 26, 2017 02:05 PM (nlbfN)

170 Repubs are not passing this stuff because a good number of them don't want too. Schumer's just playing "bad cop".
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 26, 2017 02:02 PM (9anvi)

Um, yeah you've got it. The GOPe is still at work against Trump on many fronts and that's not going to change.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 26, 2017 02:05 PM (3myMJ)

171
Prince Reebus must've joined with Jared and Ivanka and made Steve Bannon irrelevant.

Reebus was always a Republican Shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:05 PM (5Kf7w)

172 >>157
I hope Trump also realizes that we didn't vote for his lefty daughter and her lefty husband.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 26, 2017 02:02 PM (riF5p)

He doesn't realize that. He won't. The best we can hope for is that Kushner forgets that Soros did him a financial solid back when...

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 02:05 PM (Bdeb0)

173 Ross Perot had nothing to do with Bob Dole's loss to Clinton.
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The main reason was Dole just couldn't get a proper rise in the pole.

Posted by: Undocumeented at April 26, 2017 02:05 PM (SsblQ)

174 Pat Caddell (my favorite Democrat) had it right when he said America has one party with two wings.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 26, 2017 02:06 PM (3myMJ)

175 Why do we need a single vote from the Democrats? No, seriously, why? I'm talking House not Senate here.

The entire freaking point of being condescended to for the last several years by the GOP4EVA brigade was that give us unitary power over House, Senate and Presidency and then we would go like gangbusters, yes, sirree, Bob.

Uh. Huh.

At least when a dodgy ex comes around going baby baby c'mon it'll be better this time, I get rogered in the good way, not the pod of dolphin level of consent to anal without lube and with sand that the GOP is currently exhibiting towards keeping its promises.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:06 PM (mf5HN)

176 Senators Thad Cochran and Roberts are likely to wander off like the Alzheimers patients they are.

Al Franken will get in a fight with a homeless dude.

Two or three senators will get mugged by the wonderful folks in DC.

And this is somehow a bad thing?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:06 PM (rvtDF)

177 #130: You must not be very familiar with DC. It's not the length of a football field from the Capitol to the White House, it's more like 2-3 miles.

Posted by: Scott-High Plains Deplorable at April 26, 2017 02:07 PM (LEJCy)

178 I'm not a fan of hers but she said we must "Discuss" taking Syrian refugees... a bit different...
_______________

In theory, perhaps.

But in practice, never.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 26, 2017 02:07 PM (riF5p)

179 What is sad is that this is perfectly plausible. See Hasteart, Denny.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 26, 2017 01:53 PM (ujg0T)

Time for Team Trump to spin up the politics of personal destruction. All Dem politicians fed, state, and city), and GOP squishes, and Democrat judges; put them under a microscope. Find out any existing dirt on them, and honey-trap any that might be susceptible to such things.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 26, 2017 02:07 PM (0deF2)

180 There are traitors among us.

Posted by: Bosk at April 26, 2017 02:07 PM (n2K+4)

181 Ross Perot had nothing to do with Bob Dole's loss to Clinton.
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The main reason was Dole just couldn't get a proper rise in the pole.

****

I mean, look at clinton's plurality victory as proof of how stiff it was to get over the 1995 shut down

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at April 26, 2017 02:07 PM (55//3)

182 >>any of us who voted for Trump actually 'won' yet? Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:04 PM (3Liv/)

Hillary Clinton isn't in place to Do What She Was Going To Do. That's a win.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 02:07 PM (Bdeb0)

183 It is more than a football field in length.

Senators Thad Cochran and Roberts are likely to wander off like the Alzheimers patients they are.

Al Franken will get in a fight with a homeless dude.

Two or three senators will get mugged by the wonderful folks in DC.
Posted by: rd at April 26, 2017 02:02 PM (iT57s)

Thus simultaneously improving the state of the Union, the local scenery, and the mean IQ of the metropolitan area. Honestly, this is an argument for making 'em walk.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 02:07 PM (CPk08)

184
The Republicans have No Agenda other than the Status Quo.

What a pathetic lot. We are more the fools for voting for them.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:08 PM (5Kf7w)

185 The problem is Ryan and assholes like him, not Trump. Trump can only get so much done on his own. That's the reality. We all knew that instinctively going in, and i'm not bailing on him now because he can't get everything done that he said he would in the artificially capricious "First 100 Days." Did we elect him to a 100 day term?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 26, 2017 02:09 PM (7uYFy)

186 I'm probably the biggest critic of Republicans in Congress. But I am going to agree with this move. The wall will get funded when ther isn't so much Democrat drama around it. Oh yeah, and less leverage.

It will get done. There is simply too much going on right. Ow.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 02:09 PM (h5F/r)

187 Do you have anything meaningful to say?
I was making the point that voters that don't get what they voted for *don't show up to vote for that guy again*. So far what has Trump delivered? We had lots of posts about winning, but they were all in terms of personnel (which have turned out to be a mixed bag) and EOs which in theory will deliver something someday, but what exactly have any of us who voted for Trump actually 'won' yet?
Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:04 PM (3Liv/)

Gorsuch on the SC, Trump driving the MSM and Left into insanity and irrelevance, and Hillary not being POTUS are winning enough for me at this point.

Posted by: gewa76 at April 26, 2017 02:09 PM (f4GSC)

188 Hillary Clinton isn't in place to Do What She Was Going To Do. That's a win.

Her sycophants are. Only difference is we don't have to hear her voice. End results are the same.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:09 PM (rvtDF)

189 My tolerance with Trump is done.

What the fuck did he run on? "Build the Wall" and "Art of the Deal."

No wall.

Nice fucking deal, you short-fingered vulgarian.

I hope the GOP gets slaughtered in the midterms.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 26, 2017 02:09 PM (X6fMO)

190 Gorsuch on the SC, Trump driving the MSM and Left into insanity and irrelevance, and Hillary not being POTUS are winning enough for me at this point.

You're a cheap date.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:10 PM (rvtDF)

191 I was getting so tired of winning that we had to start losing for a bit to get the taste of winning back and to appreciate it better

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at April 26, 2017 02:10 PM (55//3)

192 "It is more than a football field in length.

Senators Thad Cochran and Roberts are likely to wander off like the Alzheimers patients they are.

Al Franken will get in a fight with a homeless dude.

Two or three senators will get mugged by the wonderful folks in DC."

And all the black ones will get spit on by the tea partiers.

But in an unusual setback, no-one will have cell phone video of this.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 26, 2017 02:10 PM (J+eG2)

193 Russia could hit DC if we goad them?

Posted by: nip at April 26, 2017 02:10 PM (vOea4)

194 If they fund the wall some judge will just decree it is illegal somehow anyway.

Posted by: steevy at April 26, 2017 02:10 PM (r/0kC)

195 wtf was I saying there? Is that even a word?

lol.. I was wondering what the hell an undoinds was.

Posted by: deplorable Jewells45 at April 26, 2017 02:10 PM (zRZaJ)

196 My tolerance with Trump is done.

What the fuck did he run on? "Build the Wall" and "Art of the Deal."

No wall.

Nice fucking deal, you short-fingered vulgarian.

I hope the GOP gets slaughtered in the midterms.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 26, 2017 02:09 PM (X6fMO)

So you voted for Trump to have only 100 day term??

Posted by: JoeF. at April 26, 2017 02:10 PM (7uYFy)

197 Hillary Clinton isn't in place to Do What She Was Going To Do. That's a win.
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But Trump didn't do that.

We, the voters did that.

What have we won by virtue of him holding office?

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:11 PM (3Liv/)

198
Trump campaigned on illegals.

He used the families of victims to get elected. He used them. If Trump doesn't deliver, that's pretty fiucking low of him.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:11 PM (5Kf7w)

199 and look, this is prudent politics, Hillary has a 90% chance of winning the 2016 election and when she does, she's going to punish us for our association to trump.

Ryan and congress are just being prudent.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at April 26, 2017 02:11 PM (55//3)

200 so what is there to fear from a president warren?
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Absolutely nothing, my friend.

Posted by: Senator John McLame at April 26, 2017 02:11 PM (PNYug)

201 I hope Ace realizes when it comes to Trump, his credibility is next to zero.

Posted by: Billygoatpuke at April 26, 2017 02:11 PM (+atyz)

202
Two or three senators will get mugged by the wonderful folks in DC.

And all the black ones will get spit on by the tea partiers.

How many black ones are there?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 26, 2017 02:11 PM (IqV8l)

203 So you voted for Trump to have only 100 day term??

I voted for Trump to NOT LET THE DEMS RUN THINGS.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:12 PM (rvtDF)

204 "Russia could hit DC if we goad them?"

You mis-spelled Paid.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 26, 2017 02:12 PM (J+eG2)

205
Trump is all about polls and popularity, right?

Wait until his loyal supporters aren't so loyal anymore. He'll be down to single digits in approvals if he doesn't act right.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:12 PM (5Kf7w)

206 Everyone seems to have forgotten that Trump was elected because Republicans were/are destroying the country by cooperating with Democrats while pretending to "fight" them.

What is the reelection rate of congressional incumbents? 95-6%? There's your difficulty.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 26, 2017 02:12 PM (3myMJ)

207 The GOP majority will be short lived.

Posted by: navybrat at April 26, 2017 02:13 PM (w7KSn)

208 These guys are fuckers!

Posted by: Weasel at April 26, 2017 02:13 PM (C8aCP)

209 Today's presser with Cohen and Munchkin was
not a great win for Trump. I didn't vote for Wall St to run the country either. Might as well had Cantor give the update.
If this what winning feels like, I want no part of it.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 26, 2017 02:13 PM (UOJLJ)

210
"Russia could hit DC if we goad them?"

I got dibs on California!

Posted by: Kim Jong-un at April 26, 2017 02:14 PM (IqV8l)

211 I hope Trump vetoes this budget.

BUT

If he does some obscure judge will rule he has to sign it.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 26, 2017 02:14 PM (cOHS7)

212 >>>The problem is Ryan and assholes like him, not Trump. Trump can only get so much done on his own. That's the reality.

True, but if he were in a stronger position, he could afford to run against them (or threaten to) and bend them to his will.

But he seemed asleep at the wheel on Obamacare and made some mistakes with the travel ban that made for bad optics -- which I thought at the time were no big deal, but it turns out the bad optics and sight of the Ultimate Winner losing pushed his job approval down.

A president is as strong as his balls and his popularity rating. Trump's made some rookie mistakes that hurt the latter, and seems to be relying on Ivanka's balls more than his own.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2017 02:14 PM (8rNrN)

213 Well, that's filled my concern-reading quota for the day. See you later.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 26, 2017 02:14 PM (nlbfN)

214 Eh, look, the GOPe wants Trumo out.

They will slow walk or flatly refuse everything which got him elected The Wall, the End of Obamacare, limited immigration.

None of these things will happen and Trump will lose his support,

then he'll be primaried and probably lose.

Then- and this is what should be a YUUUGE motivator for Trump but apparently not-

Trump will be seen as a YUUUUGE LOSER.

As big a LOSER as Jeb or Hillary!

So, it's up to Trump to start fighting.

And the only thing we can do is make sure folks like Ryan and the Turtle lose their primaries or general election if necessary.

In all honesty, if I were Trump, I'd refuse to sign the budget until I got what I want.

Shut down the gov't. Who cares?

Then present what you wanted signed.

Trump got elected on his items. He'll win that battle.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 26, 2017 02:14 PM (NyJwR)

215 >>>not the pod of dolphin level of consent to anal without lube and with sand

:::arches eyebrow:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 26, 2017 02:14 PM (jHFYS)

216 One of the things I remember about W Bush was his reluctance to get into the weeds on fighting. If he got too much pushback, he relented. Moreover, he refused to fight back when the news and such said misleading or unfair things about him.

I kept hearing "wait, he's just giving the Left enough rope to hang themselves." That "he's taking the high road in public but he's knife fighting behind the scenes." I wanted to believe all that, but it turned out to be hokum.

So this time around, I'm not at all patient. If Trump is going to cede on major planks of his platform, then the platform is just words. I don't believe long-game rationalizations. If he's principled, he fights.

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 26, 2017 02:15 PM (PFy0L)

217 I personally resisted the narrative that Trump's early bobbles were anything. It's a four year term, I argued.

But his early losses do seem to have stripped him of Bully Pulpit Power and are now causing more losses.

Wins make more wins and losses make more losses.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2017 02:15 PM (8rNrN)

218
That pipsqueak leftist is gonna win that House seat in Atlanta, too.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:15 PM (5Kf7w)

219 One of the problems is that the GOPe doesn't realize they kept control of both houses of congress by riding on Trump's coattails. They got reelected BECAUSE of him. They seem to think they were elected to keep Trump in check.
Also, Ryan wants to be president so he's trying to carve out a niche for himself. That other asshole Kasich thinks he can be elected president too.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 26, 2017 02:15 PM (7uYFy)

220 To be fair AtC....The GOP promised exactly nothing. On all issues us plebes scream about, They placate by saying that they will look at, investigate, explore alternatives, find a better way. But concrete promises. Nada. All the while they actively undermined the Repub candidate and are actively undermining a Repub sitting president. The GOP can GTFO, STFD, STFU, and DIAF.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at April 26, 2017 02:15 PM (FXQZq)

221 Might as well had Cantor give the update.
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All sounds better in song.

Posted by: Undocumented at April 26, 2017 02:16 PM (SsblQ)

222 So you voted for Trump to have only 100 day term??

Posted by: JoeF. at April 26, 2017 02:10 PM (7uYFy)

I voted for Trump for revenge. I'm getting nothing.

What I am getting is a damned anger stroke, so I'm out before I say something banworthy.

I need a fucking drink. It's a damned good thing I never got the taste for drugs.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 26, 2017 02:16 PM (X6fMO)

223 >>>He used the families of victims to get elected. He used them. If Trump doesn't deliver, that's pretty fiucking low of him

go read the official wh statement re: yesterday's BS court order. they're all over it.

Posted by: concrete girl at April 26, 2017 02:16 PM (PWNxU)

224 If they fund the wall some judge will just decree it is illegal somehow anyway.

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What I've gotten out of court rulings so far is that it's illegal to favor citizens over non-citizens.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 26, 2017 02:16 PM (Nwg0u)

225 You have an extraordinarily large number of ICE Raids of Criminal illegal aliens happening. More so then in the past administration. Most of them are in process, which is why the AG is expanding immigration judges.

A better number is not deportations. It's how many are in the system at the moment.

Something doesn't smell right. And what are the webzine The Blaze sources?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 02:16 PM (h5F/r)

226 I voted for Trump to NOT LET THE DEMS RUN THINGS.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:12 PM (rvtDF)

As with the Obamunist Care kerfluffle a month back, keep two things in mind:

1. Congress has "power of the purse", so blame Ryno and Yertle and the other RINOs before Trump.

2. I DID NOT expect miracles in 100 days. Heck, I did not expect Trump to prevail.

So let's see how the rest of 2017 and the first half of 2018 play out, before everyone pinky swears what they will do in the midterm elections.

Am I disappointed? Sure. But the game is not over yet.

Why is it that Leftists can keep on coming back, like zombies not headshot or the NVA after Tet, while we all get upset and throw in the towel at the first setback?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 26, 2017 02:16 PM (ujg0T)

227 Gorsuch on the SC, Trump driving the MSM and Left into insanity and
irrelevance, and Hillary not being POTUS are winning enough for me at
this point.
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1. Gorsuch hasn't done anything to prove himself as a win yet. And as a replacement for Scalia, the best he can manage is to maintain the status quo, which I'll remind you includes obamacare and sodomy marriage being ruled as Constitutionally mandated.

2.The left was already insane. No federal power has been brought to bear against their criminal conspiracy to rob and enslave the American people, in fact the only folks actively standing up to them were regular guys on the street at Berkley.

3. As I mentioned to Zod, Trump didn't deliver Hillary's loss, we the voters did. I am asking what we have to show for Trump in office, since he took office. Maintaining the status quo until the next Hillary squeaks by isn't a win, it's punting.

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:16 PM (3Liv/)

228 Look you rubes, we only have the congress and the presidency, and the SCOTUS. How can we move our legislation through without having 1005 of the three branches of government?

Posted by: GOPe at April 26, 2017 02:17 PM (cOHS7)

229 >>>201 I hope Ace realizes when it comes to Trump, his credibility is next to zero.
Posted by: Billygoatpuke

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213 Well, that's filled my concern-reading quota for the day. See you later.
Posted by: andycanuck

...

don't you just hate those social justice warrior types who attempt to exert emotional and even economic pressure to keep people from speaking their minds?

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2017 02:17 PM (8rNrN)

230
I don't get it.

We all knew how the Democrats (and Republicans) were gonna come at Trump. Their tactics are well known.

How was Trump not prepared for this??

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:17 PM (5Kf7w)

231 Well, that's filled my concern-reading quota for the day. See you later.
Posted by: andycanuck at April 26, 2017 02:14 PM (nlbfN)

Agreed. Time for a nice hike looking for deer and elk sheds.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 26, 2017 02:17 PM (3myMJ)

232 You know what?

Why doesn't everyone, including me, just cut and paste all their bullshit thrown around during the primary wars.

Because all of this?

IS EXACTLY THE SAME FUCKING SHIT.

Does anyone, yes, especially me, think that they're changing anyone else's mind on Trump? Or is this all just performative wanking?

Spoiler alert: It's all just performative wanking.

Including my meta wanking whinging about the wanking.

*whateverhands*

Not that. I'm gonna stop hitting F5 like a rat for the pellet or anything.

Ahem.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:17 PM (mf5HN)

233 If we cut the corporate tax rate significantly, and make other fixes, trillions of dollars of investment will flood back to the US. Throw in a good Infrastructure bill, and real GDP growth will be back.

But instead, let's have Trump get into a media war with Schumer over shutting down government

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 26, 2017 02:17 PM (SIY7D)

234 Ivanka and her husband are giving bad advice.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 02:18 PM (QQ+il)

235 Trump got elected on his items. He'll win that battle.

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but only if he fights it.

i hope he does, but i'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 26, 2017 02:18 PM (PNYug)

236 Half the nation already hates Trump. If he doesn't follow-through on this, the other half will turn on him.

His ego won't allow that.

Posted by: Golfman at April 26, 2017 02:20 PM (8Wu5K)

237 "Ivanka and her husband are giving bad advice."

Yes, but where's the evidence that Trump is listening

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 26, 2017 02:20 PM (SIY7D)

238 If they fund the wall some judge will just decree it is illegal somehow anyway.

Then arrest his stinking ass for failure to follow fed law and let a court decide.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:20 PM (rvtDF)

239 BTW, when I/we criticize the GOP as a whole, we do so not just for catharsis, but for the more tangible reason of letting them know we are growing impatient and may desert them if they do not self-correct.

Why then the insistence that we praise Trump in his failures? Does not the same logic of "communicate your dissatisfaction with a not-so-veiled threat" apply to him?

How will Trump know what our walk-out-the-door conditions are if a group of cheerleaders insists that we must praise him even in his failures?

Politicians, like children, need boundaries.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2017 02:20 PM (8rNrN)

240
btw, remmember Chief Justice Roberts' chief reason for saving obamacare?

Roberts said, basically, elections have consequences. Roberts was reluctant to change the will of the people.

That's the best we can get from these "conservative" judges. Meanwhile, activist leftist judges have No Compunction to Rule Tyranny from the bench.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:21 PM (5Kf7w)

241 Only three months into a 48 month term and it is all over. If we can't get everything we want right now then we can't get anything we want.

Turn off the lights the party is over.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Join the Conspiracy of the Month Club at the Outrage Outlet! Flavored Tinfoil in May! at April 26, 2017 02:21 PM (hLRSq)

242 >>>Why doesn't everyone, including me, just cut and paste all their bullshit thrown around during the primary wars.

I HAD A LOT OF GREAT WINONA POETRY IN THERE!!! I SECOND THIS MOTION FROM THE DISTINGUISHED LADY WITH THE BREASTESSES!!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 26, 2017 02:21 PM (jHFYS)

243 "Ivanka and her husband are giving bad advice."

Yes, but where's the evidence that Trump is listening

The fact that he's not fighting?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:21 PM (rvtDF)

244 Yeah, the Freedom Caucus just agreed with the Obama Care bill that's on the table.

But you know- it's over. The President sold us out or something.

Rookie mistake inside his first 100 days? Sure. But I'm getting a little sick of the Chicken Little Act from people who didn't like him in the first place or who are clueless on how Washington works.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 02:21 PM (h5F/r)

245 Trump's been poorly served by his immediate team. The silence from unfilled executive appointments is deafening. The man isn't a czar, and his flurry of activity probably misled people into expecting his every wish to be made manifest in 13 minutes per.

He needs a Lee Atwater to harvest ballsacs on the Hill. Reibus is a ponce. Trump should hand the rudder to Pence for a few months and work his ass off on the campaign trail to unseat some of the GOP trimmers in Congress.

He's made mistakes, to be sure--his advisors are a shitty lot. But we don't have Lynch on the Supreme Court, Podesta Wormtongue in the White House, and hammer-and-tongs work being done to the 1st and 2nd Amendments, to name a few. Also, no Cackle.

It's 100 days in. Zod is sticking.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 02:21 PM (Bdeb0)

246 What bloody use is the Republican Party?

At least the Dems are delivering things to their constituents (whether you agree with them or not).

Posted by: SFGoth at April 26, 2017 02:22 PM (dZ756)

247 Uh... wait... so Obama can send billions to buy off Iran with no Congressional noise...

But Trump can't find a few billion to build a wall that Congress has authorized?

uhhhhh....

Posted by: Don Q. at April 26, 2017 02:22 PM (NgKpN)

248 Only three months into a 48 month term and it is all over. If we can't get everything we want right now then we can't get anything we want.

Is it too much to ask to get something?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:22 PM (rvtDF)

249 Spoiler alert: It's all just performative wanking.

As always, you are correct, Your Grace.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 02:22 PM (QQ+il)

250 This episode of Failure Theater is brought to you by our sponsor, The Congressional Lifetime Employment Fund.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 26, 2017 02:22 PM (wTwJ2)

251 vanka and her husband are giving bad advice.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 02:18 PM (QQ+il)

I agree with this. Look, Ivanka is the apple of his eye. But he's got to keep her in check. Now Kushner? Something about him i don't like. If Trump wants to send him around to get some experience and all that, fine. But he shouldn't have a lot to say.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 26, 2017 02:22 PM (7uYFy)

252 >>>234 Ivanka and her husband are giving bad advice.

oh yeah, definitely. I hear a lot of things, and it's all about Jared's palace maneuverings to push away any conservative influences on Trump so it's all people like him Ivanka, Gail Powers or whatever her name is, all the liberal-ish GOPe Types or straight up liberals.

I also hear that Reince Priebus is a semi-ally in this.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2017 02:23 PM (8rNrN)

253 That pipsqueak leftist is gonna win that House seat in Atlanta, too.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:15 PM (5Kf7w)

It's amazing how people can look at multiple races that got 20 point swings for the dems from the last time the seat was up and pretend nothing's up because those are 'safe' seats. Because it's imconceivable to them that GOP fecklessness and Trump's choice to side with our enemies in congress has already killed voter enthusiasm to that extent, much less consider what it means for seats that aren't usually 20 points to the good.

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:23 PM (3Liv/)

254 Honestly, is today two for one troll day?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 02:23 PM (h5F/r)

255 239 BTW, when I/we criticize the GOP as a whole, we do so not just for catharsis, but for the more tangible reason of letting them know we are growing impatient and may desert them if they do not self-correct.

Why then the insistence that we praise Trump in his failures? Does not the same logic of "communicate your dissatisfaction with a not-so-veiled threat" apply to him?

How will Trump know what our walk-out-the-door conditions are if a group of cheerleaders insists that we must praise him even in his failures?

Politicians, like children, need boundaries.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2017 02:20 PM (8rNrN)

That said ace, Politicians, like children, need credit, and blame, where due.

I'm putting this blame on the GOPee in Congress first. Before it can get to Trump's desk, it has to go through them.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 26, 2017 02:23 PM (ujg0T)

256 So.

It's Melania's birthday today.

Happy happy, First Lady Trump!

http://bit.ly/2oxdskd

Maybe NSFW if you squint.

(That is not actually one of the nekkid pics. I don't like the Horde enough right now to post a link to the nekkid pics)

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:23 PM (mf5HN)

257 But I'm getting a little sick of the Chicken Little Act from people who didn't like him in the first place or who are clueless on how Washington works.

Sorry. I am one of the few backers here that was for Trump from jump street.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:23 PM (rvtDF)

258 Yeah, the Freedom Caucus just agreed with the Obama Care bill that's on the table. =

So Boned.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 02:23 PM (QQ+il)

259 The GOP, Democrats, and media attack and thwart Trump at every turn. Members of the Judicial, Legislative, and even Executive branch thwart Trump at every turn.

Yet, 3 months into his Presidency, he has failed to "change Washington.

What a loser....

Posted by: Browndog at April 26, 2017 02:24 PM (3sOic)

260 >>>Trump's been poorly served by his immediate team. The silence from unfilled executive appointments is deafening. The man isn't a czar, and his flurry of activity probably misled people into expecting his every wish to be made manifest in 13 minutes per.

Like Reince and Ryan assuring him the votes for AHCA were in the bag and the public would love it.

Of course, a king can't just put all the blame on his courtiers and advisers. He's the one who put them in place or who listens to them.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2017 02:24 PM (8rNrN)

261 OK, I think we need a movie break. Dumbest movie ever? Lucy (2014)

Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 02:24 PM (gbWkA)

262
What a fucking orgy of pearl clutching.

Go have a bunch of fun with it.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2017 02:24 PM (S/hVx)

263 Only three months into a 48 month term and it is all over. If we can't get everything we want right now then we can't get anything we want.

Turn off the lights the party is over.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Join the Conspiracy of the Month Club at the Outrage Outlet! Flavored Tinfoil in May! at April 26, 2017 02:21 PM (hLRSq

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I didn't expect everything to be solved in his first 100 days. Kind of surprised at the number of people that apparently did.

Posted by: Uber Lyft Driver at April 26, 2017 02:24 PM (8LaD4)

264 Even with complete GOP control, still can do anything huh? Still looking for that hill over there, 100-200 years down the road to die on? Have to keep giving the Democrats what they want until then? It's coming. They will fight sometime. Promise. Probably when your great, great grandchildren are pushing their walkers to the polling station, the GOP will get around to keeping one of their promises.

Posted by: gm at April 26, 2017 02:25 PM (rT6IK)

265 BTW, when I/we criticize the GOP as a whole, we do so not just for catharsis, but for the more tangible reason of letting them know we are growing impatient and may desert them if they do not self-correct.

Why then the insistence that we praise Trump in his failures? Does not the same logic of "communicate your dissatisfaction with a not-so-veiled threat" apply to him?

How will Trump know what our walk-out-the-door conditions are if a group of cheerleaders insists that we must praise him even in his failures?

Politicians, like children, need boundaries.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2017 02:20 PM (8rNrN)

I agree with this but I like loud noises more so, you know.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:25 PM (mf5HN)

266 Two ways to interpret this. 1) The idea of actually enforcing immigration laws vis-a-vis Mexico has simply become unpalatable among the elite, i.e. cheap labor and cheap votes. Both sides benefit from the status quo, so whatever the prevailing sentiment is among ordinary Americans isn't going to figure into their calculus, regardless of what Trump's actual position on the issue is or how he got elected. 2) Actually there is no 2 - if Trump can get elected POTUS but remain unable to fulfill this particular promise, that's enough to take 1 at face value. He can yak about how regular Americans of various classes, creeds, colors, etc., have been screwed in this sordid mess, but obviously there's no critical mass of elected officials, bureaucrats and donors to enact any kind of meaningful change.

Posted by: Sirius the Canine Pundit at April 26, 2017 02:25 PM (LBO1U)

267
Yeah, the Freedom Caucus just agreed with the Obama Care bill that's on the table.

You mean that piece of shit sandwich that is obamacare lite?

Yay.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:25 PM (5Kf7w)

268 Suppressed pellet gun.

The pellet makes more noise hitting the pellet trap, than it does coming out the gun.

And you can buy em on line, cause pellet gun.

Posted by: simplemind at April 26, 2017 02:25 PM (xVRrG)

269 Dumbest movie ever? Lucy (2014)

It's the Computer Wore Tennis Shoes with much more T&A.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 02:26 PM (QQ+il)

270 Sorry -- wall is dumb.
Imprison illegals and the people who employ them. No wall nor additional laws required. No pesky voting for GOPErs.
Jeffrey Sesh can handle. Fergit hell.
Just like the Pink Floyd album, I don't mind pointless gestures but that's all The Wall ever was.

Posted by: Reverse Polish Notation at April 26, 2017 02:26 PM (qfDb3)

271 >>>Only three months into a 48 month term and it is all over. If we can't get everything we want right now then we can't get anything we want.

I don't say it's "over," but the only, and I do mean ONLY, way to get the wall funded is by attaching it to a must-pass bill, and if Trump is listening to te GOPe that we must never do that, that means the wall will never be funded.

This is literally the only way. You have to force GOPers and Dems to vote for it by attaching it to a bill that must be passed. It will not pass on its own.

If you propose it as a standalone bill, its defeat is guaranteed, and you're just doing more "Well we tried at least" Failure Theater.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2017 02:27 PM (8rNrN)

272 As far as I'm concerned, the Trump Presidency is a success based on the following metrics:

[X] Hillary is not POTUS.
[ ] All the other things.

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 26, 2017 02:27 PM (QM5S2)

273 Looks like the "help it burn" gang was right after all.

Posted by: Lurking Moron at April 26, 2017 02:27 PM (1L9V9)

274 Trump needs to get his poll numbers up in order to help give him leverage. However, let's be serious. He has a ceiling of about 55%. He could win a couple wars, repeal and replace Obamacare and turn the economy around, and he would never get higher than 55% in the best scenario. 35-45% of the population is deranged with hatred and bitterness.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 26, 2017 02:28 PM (7uYFy)

275 If only there were indications and whispers prior to the nomination that he didn't really mean anything he said, and would feel little obligation to uphold his promises.

Why was nobody able to see this coming?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 26, 2017 02:28 PM (gZobf)

276 We, as consumers, need to stop doing business with anyone who hires Mexicans, even legal ones. You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 02:28 PM (QQ+il)

277 "Praise his failures"?

Be serious. The guy isn't even in office 100 days. That's seconds in Washington time.

He already knows what we wants. Good grief he tweets with equal dissatisfaction he's also working on our most important wants.

But you know, it's Ivanka's influence or something. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 02:28 PM (h5F/r)

278 OK, I think we need a movie break. Dumbest movie ever? Lucy (2014)
Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 02:24 PM (gbWkA)

I am a huge fan of Besson's brand of insanity but at the end of that I was rather ummm wut?

Gah. I so want Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets to not suck but it will I just know it.

Lucy did a half billion worldwide btw.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:28 PM (mf5HN)

279 Buying more magazines is never a bad idea. At least hi-cap ines. Midway's running a one day only 33% off on Glock mags and they have a really good deal of 6 20rd PMags in an ammo can for $56.

Buy before the fickle gun folks start panicking buying again.

Posted by: Chupacabra at April 26, 2017 02:28 PM (bkjIi)

280 Uniparty.

Its what's really running the country.

Posted by: simplemind at April 26, 2017 02:29 PM (xVRrG)

281 Why doesn't everyone, including me, just cut and paste all their bullshit thrown around during the primary wars.

Because all of this?

IS EXACTLY THE SAME FUCKING SHIT.
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atc, I think if you check the commenters you'll find a fair number of examples like me that were in Trump superfan territory that have now soured, and Trump skeptics to worse that now want us all to fall in line behind him because the system has succeeded in corrupting him.

Which means technically, we'd have to copypasta everyone else's bullshit from last year to now.

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:29 PM (3Liv/)

282
Someone on msnbc a few weeks suggested that Ivanka was unhappy about her father being constantly besmirched in the press because of his agenda/campaign promises.

The implication was that Ivanka wanted to steer her father away from his campaign promises and become more "mainstream" to put a plug in the negative press.

I believe it.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:29 PM (5Kf7w)

283 270 Sorry -- wall is dumb.
Imprison illegals and the people who employ them. No wall nor additional laws required. No pesky voting for GOPErs.
Jeffrey Sesh can handle. Fergit hell.

Millions of illegals working in the underground economy, or "off the books", and thousands of cross border drug and gun smugglers could not be reached for comment. :-(

The Wall makes the task of Employer Enforcement less overwhelming.

Employer Enforcement makes The Wall less tempting to jump over or tunnel under.

We must do both.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 26, 2017 02:29 PM (ujg0T)

284 Also, don't get me wrong, Trump is our best hope for now. Most of what goes on in Washington, is all look-see pidgin anyway. Lots of maneuvering in the background we are not privy to.

Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 02:29 PM (gbWkA)

285 Why aren't Republicans or Trump out making the case for these plans? Why do they just shove them out without selling them to the public?

Posted by: V the K at April 26, 2017 02:29 PM (O7MnT)

286 >>>Rookie mistake inside his first 100 days? Sure. But I'm getting a little sick of the Chicken Little Act from people who didn't like him in the first place or who are clueless on how Washington works.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 02:21 PM (h5F/r)>>>

What about his first 4 years? Can we expect anything by then? Or are we going to have to hope that President Kieth Ellison gets around to fulfilling Trump's promises in 2021?

Posted by: gm at April 26, 2017 02:29 PM (rT6IK)

287 261 OK, I think we need a movie break. Dumbest movie ever? Lucy (2014)

My Life as a Dog (1987).
100% on Rotten Tomatoes.
Utter crap.

Posted by: wooga at April 26, 2017 02:30 PM (r/tiB)

288 I didn't expect everything to be solved in his first 100 days. Kind of surprised at the number of people that apparently did.

I didn't expect everything either. Some of the more obvious one, yeah.

Not seeing anything. And stop bringing up Gorsuch. Gorsuch was baked into the cake if a conservative won. It was a slam dunk pick.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:30 PM (rvtDF)

289 259 The GOP, Democrats, and media attack and thwart Trump at every turn. Members of the Judicial, Legislative, and even Executive branch thwart Trump at every turn.

Yet, 3 months into his Presidency, he has failed to "change Washington.

What a loser....
Posted by: Browndog at April 26, 2017 02:24 PM (3sOic)

The GOP specifically punted on spending bills last year, and did a continuing resolution, so they COULD do things like this... so they could do the Wall...

They then apparently sat on their hands for months... waiting until spending was once more a crises, to talk about this... and do something about it...

Allowing the Dems to once again, control the spending agenda...

Its like the Tax reform crap.... we've been screaming about it... and Congress has SUPPOSEDLY been working on it for years... yet nothing is ready to go?

Its like the Obamacare repeal... the Repubs in Congress RAN on it for THREE election cycles... yet had nothing ready to go???

WTF???? I don't bid on a job, unless I have a plan in place to DO the damn job.... but then, I'm not a politician... I live in the real world....

Posted by: Don Q. at April 26, 2017 02:30 PM (NgKpN)

290 Just like the Pink Floyd album, I don't mind pointless gestures but that's all The Wall ever was.

And what happens when there's inevitably another Dem Prez? He'll just stop what Sessions is doing, and boom, there's illegals raping everyone while you're trying to have lunch. The nice thing about a wall is it still exists when Trump leaves office.

Also, if you think it's not effective, talk to the Israelis - they think walls are great.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 26, 2017 02:30 PM (3J/LN)

291 Paul Ryan? Oh, I've heard of him... tremendous pussy

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at April 26, 2017 02:30 PM (DpOmP)

292 >>>rump needs to get his poll numbers up in order to help give him leverage.

true. but... I think the New Normal is that a president will have between a 42% and 48% approval rating most of the time, due to the partisan divide and generally disatisfactory conditions in the country.

The only way to break 50% is consistent 5% GDP growth, which doesn't look like it's on the horizon yet.

It's sort of hoping that some fortunate external circumstance wishes itself into existence before you can go ahead with your agenda.

May work, probably won't.

Posted by: ace at April 26, 2017 02:31 PM (8rNrN)

293
My tolerance with Trump is done. What the fuck did he run on? "Build the Wall" and "Art of the Deal."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 26, 2017 02:09 PM (X6fMO)

Republicans have been promising to build the wall long before Trump came onto the scene and big deals don't happen overnight sometimes they can take years to accomplish.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at April 26, 2017 02:31 PM (lKyWE)

294 I thought Trump would have Alessandra Ambrosio in my bedroom by now. But yet, nothing. I hate the man, he hasn't delivered for me- and I was his biggest, early supporter.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 02:31 PM (h5F/r)

295 Spoiler alert: It's all just performative wanking.

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One - Adult for the 7:00 pm Meta Wanking Whinging About Performative Wanking, please.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:31 PM (awqUF)

296 261 OK, I think we need a movie break. Dumbest movie ever? Lucy (2014)
Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 02:24 PM (gbWkA)

The Force Awakens.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at April 26, 2017 02:31 PM (72PAC)

297 How can building said wall be sold as a political asset to those swing members of Congress?

Simply saying "lol build us the wall or else you are teh suxxors" is not a very convincing argument.

If you want the wall, you will have to lay the groundwork until the funding become a fait accompli before even asking for it.

Considering that "the wall" is a lightning rod of Leftist insanity, I say keep pushing it and use it to distract them from a plethora of other changes that can now go unnoticed.

Posted by: The Uncensored Hat at April 26, 2017 02:31 PM (rUIbB)

298 "But I'm getting a little sick of the Chicken Little Act..."

But that's like 30% of the internet!* we can't get rid of that!

*20% are cat pictures and the remainder is naughty pictures.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Join the Conspiracy of the Month Club at the Outrage Outlet! Flavored Tinfoil in May! at April 26, 2017 02:31 PM (hLRSq)

299 Just take in the ass baby... my deepness is permanent

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at April 26, 2017 02:31 PM (DpOmP)

300 atc, I think if you check the commenters you'll find a fair number of examples like me that were in Trump superfan territory that have now soured, and Trump skeptics to worse that now want us all to fall in line behind him because the system has succeeded in corrupting him.

Which means technically, we'd have to copypasta everyone else's bullshit from last year to now.
Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:29 PM (3Liv/)

*ponders*

Would such a feat of Moron engineering be enough to make The Barrel go "That's it, I'm out."

Discuss.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:31 PM (mf5HN)

301 >>3. As I mentioned to Zod, Trump didn't deliver
Hillary's loss, we the voters did. I am asking what we have to show for
Trump in office, since he took office. Maintaining the status quo until
the next Hillary squeaks by isn't a win, it's punting. Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:16 PM (3Liv/)

Your argument is illogical. Your choices--make a better argument, or kneel.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 02:32 PM (Bdeb0)

302 Despite my disappointment with recent events, I just don't see any of the other candidates, if elected, progressing this far in upending Obama's edicts, E.Os and policies.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 26, 2017 02:32 PM (J+eG2)

303
If Trump delivers the same old speech in Pennsylvania, we'll know he's just a Jerkoff.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:33 PM (5Kf7w)

304 Is it too much to ask to get something?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:22 PM (rvtDF)

Okay. Neil Gorsuch on the USSC. There's something.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Join the Conspiracy of the Month Club at the Outrage Outlet! Flavored Tinfoil in May! at April 26, 2017 02:33 PM (hLRSq)

305 Sorry -- wall is dumb.
Imprison illegals and the people who employ them. No wall nor additional laws required. No pesky voting for GOPErs.
Jeffrey Sesh can handle. Fergit hell.
Just like the Pink Floyd album, I don't mind pointless gestures but that's all The Wall ever was.
Posted by: Reverse Polish Notation at April 26, 2017 02:26 PM (qfDb3)

Bingo.
All he has to do is what he has been doing and threaten the wall being built. But already, LESS people are coming across the border; some have ALREADY left that were here. And others, have decided to straighten out in the hopes of not being noticed.
I agree that illegals that commit serious crimes should be deported.
I never expected a "physical " wall, because if existing laws were enforced, we wouldn't need one.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 26, 2017 02:33 PM (7uYFy)

306 Beg all you want, I will not come to save you...

Sort of the modern day Steiner

Posted by: SMOD 2016 at April 26, 2017 02:33 PM (DpOmP)

307 Crank was a pretty damned dumb movie.

Posted by: Chupacabra at April 26, 2017 02:33 PM (bkjIi)

308 It's a damn miracle we stopped Hillary. I guess I have set the bar low on expectations.

Posted by: Max Power at April 26, 2017 02:33 PM (q177U)

309 It looks like we are on a precipice of our government and society starting to implode. The commies can't control their syccophants, the bureaucracy is rogue, etc. Emperor Fuckstick and the uniparty assholes have created a complete mess. Enter Third party Trump and he is opposed at fixing this at every turn.

It's a lot. Give him more time.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 26, 2017 02:33 PM (cBECC)

310
Really upset that he used those victims of illegals, tho. I do not like that shit one bit.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:33 PM (5Kf7w)

311 There's one dead asshole in Arkansas we can thank Trump for, you know whoever Hilary appointed would have issued astay.

Posted by: Jean at April 26, 2017 02:33 PM (TVGgO)

312 atc, I think if you check the commenters you'll find a fair number of examples like me that were in Trump superfan territory that have now soured, and Trump skeptics to worse that now want us all to fall in line behind him because the system has succeeded in corrupting him.

Which means technically, we'd have to copypasta everyone else's bullshit from last year to now.
Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:29 PM (3Liv/)

Ditto.... I almost got banned here a couple of times for my Trump support...

But I'm not happy with some of the things he's doing...

Posted by: Don Q. at April 26, 2017 02:33 PM (NgKpN)

313 274 Trump needs to get his poll numbers up in order to help give him leverage. However, let's be serious. He has a ceiling of about 55%. He could win a couple wars, repeal and replace Obamacare and turn the economy around, and he would never get higher than 55% in the best scenario. 35-45% of the population is deranged with hatred and bitterness.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 26, 2017 02:28 PM (7uYFy)

THIS.

I would say of that 45%, half are just demented Demunists who need to blame Whitey / Males / Business / Society for their problems.

The rest of them:
--sold their souls for cheap gardeners and maids,
--sold themselves for welfare checks,
--sold themselves for some kind of Solar Powered, Wind Powered, or Choo-Choo boondoggle project.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 26, 2017 02:33 PM (ujg0T)

314 nah, definitely time to panic. After all, if Trump can't convince biased judges who hate him to let him do things he's allowed to do, then it's all over.

meh, deep state needs to be cleared out and that includes the ninth circuit.

And it will happen. In the next 3.7 years, these jduges won't know what hit them.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at April 26, 2017 02:34 PM (55//3)

315 278
OK, I think we need a movie break. Dumbest movie ever? Lucy (2014)

Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 02:24 PM (gbWkA)

The dumbest movie ever was "Corvette Summer," starring Mark Hamill, followed closely by "Lair of the White Worm."

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 02:34 PM (Bdeb0)

316 OH, Lu-u-u-u-ucy!

IQ 3.5

Action Quotient 5,000,000,000

That's why it did so well.

But, my God they got every single solitary "scientific explanation" for what was going on completely backwards.

As a movie, almost as stoooopid as "Prometheus", which Steel Cage Deathmatch Winner for Stoooopidest Movie Evah!

And the end of "Lucy", I think that supposed to be her looping around and becoming God and improving the universe Lucy-style.

Kinda like "Akira".

Posted by: naturalfake at April 26, 2017 02:34 PM (NyJwR)

317 Trump turns out to be almost as much as a girlie man as I was...

Posted by: Arnold at April 26, 2017 02:34 PM (DpOmP)

318 Okay. Neil Gorsuch on the USSC. There's something.

That was a slam dunk pick if a conservative won.
What else you got? Wall? 404care repeal? Sanctuary cities defunded? Fed judges arrested for actively breaking fed law?
Amerifa squashed?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:35 PM (rvtDF)

319 All I know is this -

I have never in my life witnessed a daily, coordinated, repetitive, hellish onslaught against a President like has occurred in the last 130 + days.

I would take my unpaid ass home, throw the ball with the kid and do body shots with Melania in the hot tub until we both got silly.

I don't believe that he is done yet.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:35 PM (awqUF)

320
Trump's first big mistake was calling off the dogs on the investigation of the clintons.

That opened the door for the fake Russian scandal to grow legs.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:35 PM (5Kf7w)

321 Some of you do realize the president and AG are rounding up more illegal criminal aliens than the previous administration right? That they've given new wide latitude to ICE in order to get those people out?

Maybe you should talk to an ICE Agrnt and see what's going on before you start throwing around bullshit like he "used" the victims families?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 02:36 PM (h5F/r)

322 Why doesn't Trump just use Fannie Mae as a slush fund to build the wall like Obama used it to fund Obamacare? Fuck Congress.

Posted by: Jean at April 26, 2017 02:36 PM (TVGgO)

323 Liberals have no patience for "rookie mistakes" from Trump. Though he's been in Washington for months, and a politician for many months, he should know the ropes and have a fail rate of Zero.

You know who else?

"real Conservatives".

Posted by: Browndog at April 26, 2017 02:36 PM (3sOic)

324
Trump did sign an EO today that will roll back Obama's land grab and open millions of acres up for energy exploration

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at April 26, 2017 02:36 PM (lKyWE)

325 In case anyone didn't think there was an actual witch hunt going on at FNC, today it's Jesse Watters, because he "likes how Ivanka holds a microphone". This coming from the same feminists who think Bill Nye's "sex junk" music video should be shown to kindergarteners.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 26, 2017 02:37 PM (3J/LN)

326

at least obamacare seems to be truly on its way out, says the blinking breitbart headline (which is funny)

OBAMACARE CRITICAL: FREEDOM CAUCUS BACKS REVISED GOP HEALTH BILL

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 26, 2017 02:37 PM (fceHP)

327 Trump abandoning those who brought him for the people that Ivanka and Jared want to hobnob with is only going to take his polling numbers in one direction. If he's having a hard time setting his agenda with polling numbers in the low 40s, how's he going to do better from the low 30s?

Posted by: gm at April 26, 2017 02:37 PM (rT6IK)

328
Trump did sign an EO today that will roll back Obama's land grab and open millions of acres up for energy exploration

That too will be stopped by a judge.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:37 PM (5Kf7w)

329 You people want to hate on each other and Trump and hating on Trump more than looking at a pic of Melania in underwear.

I don't know you anymore, Horde.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:37 PM (mf5HN)

330 I think we're pretty much stuck with a holding pattern in Congress and only relying on getting gains from the SCOTUS until the great unpleasantness starts. The ratchet turns one way.

Liberty is a lost idea. I think it's mostly delusional to believe otherwise. But opinions are like assholes.

Posted by: Chupacabra at April 26, 2017 02:38 PM (bkjIi)

331 Posted by: gm

Concern: noted.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:39 PM (awqUF)

332 >>320 Trump's first big mistake was calling off the dogs on the investigation of the clintons. Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:35 PM (5Kf7w)

Agreed. All we heard was that he was being "presidential," that he had to let it go and get busy presidentin', that it was magnanimous, etc.

Nonsense. A thorough, relentless, legal gutting of the Clintons was very, very high on my Christmas list.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 02:39 PM (Bdeb0)

333 Judicial Reform Bill needs to be on the agenda after tax cuts.

Posted by: Jean at April 26, 2017 02:39 PM (TVGgO)

334 Another aspect is the cat on the hot oven scenario.

A cat that sits on a hot stove won't sit on another hot stove, but will also avoid a cold one.

Republicans tried going toe to toe with Democrats over a shutdown... and got burned very badly over it.

They need to be provided with a well though out gameplan for pulling this off, complete with contingency plans.

But that requires forethought and delicacy, rather than sending in a bull into the china shop.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 02:39 PM (rUIbB)

335 It only is Obamacare on its way out. But they also starved it of the slush fund payments to the insurance companies in the new bill, which will really put a fork in it.

But I guess some people missed Ryan making that statement today when they were looking at their navels.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 02:39 PM (h5F/r)

336 311 There's one dead asshole in Arkansas we can thank Trump for, you know whoever Hilary appointed would have issued astay.
Posted by: Jean at April 26, 2017 02:33 PM (TVGgO)

There's a lot of racist rhetoric being directed against people like me around here. Is this no longer a safe space?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 02:40 PM (CPk08)

337 Obamacare out until the next unelected bureaucrat at HHS in the 2021 Dem administration decides to take away all waivers and it is reimplemented in whole.

Posted by: gm at April 26, 2017 02:40 PM (rT6IK)

338 319 All I know is this -

I have never in my life witnessed a daily, coordinated, repetitive, hellish onslaught against a President like has occurred in the last 130 + days.

I would take my unpaid ass home, throw the ball with the kid and do body shots with Melania in the hot tub until we both got silly.

I don't believe that he is done yet.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:35 PM (awqUF)

THIS. And I lived through Leftist Bush Derangement Syndrome, and remember what a statist globalist RINO he actually was.

Even SuperTrump may have a breaking point.

I won't fault him for that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 26, 2017 02:40 PM (ujg0T)

339 Trump did sign an EO today that will roll back Obama's land grab and open millions of acres up for energy exploration

In fairness, he signed an EO requesting his department heads to investigate and report back to him at some future date whether it was legal and possible to roll back or otherwise reorganize the National Monument Declarations of his predecessors.

I'm all in favor of optimism but this hasn't done a thing really.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 02:40 PM (QQ+il)

340 >>>If he's principled, he fights.

You realize he's a real estate developer, right?
:::snicker:::
The principled ones go broke.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 26, 2017 02:40 PM (jHFYS)

341 Trump did sign an EO today that will roll back Obama's land grab and open millions of acres up for energy exploration

That too will be stopped by a judge.

And then it'll be quietly dropped.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:40 PM (rvtDF)

342 What a fucking orgy of pearl clutching.

Go have a bunch of fun with it.
Posted by: irongrampa at April 26, 2017 02:24 PM (S/hVx)

Glad someone said it.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at April 26, 2017 02:40 PM (/U083)

343 Meanwhile, some globalist tool at the UN reportedly sent Trump a letter warning him that repealing Obamacare would violate international law by depriving millions of Americans of their right to healthcare paid for by somebody else.

All the more reason to repeal it.

Soros and his OWO buddies can suck it.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 26, 2017 02:41 PM (riF5p)

344 What else you got? Wall? 404care repeal? Sanctuary cities defunded? Fed judges arrested for actively breaking fed law?
Amerifa squashed?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:35 PM (rvtDF)

You want to sit there and whine and moan you go right ahead. I'll just scroll past you. You're now just the reflection of the screaming Left.

Enjoy your rage fit.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Join the Conspiracy of the Month Club at the Outrage Outlet! Flavored Tinfoil in May! at April 26, 2017 02:41 PM (hLRSq)

345 282
Someone on msnbc a few weeks suggested that Ivanka was unhappy about her father being constantly besmirched in the press because of his agenda/campaign promises.

The implication was that Ivanka wanted to steer her father away from his campaign promises and become more "mainstream" to put a plug in the negative press.

I believe it.
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Good luck. Trump could publicly execute Ann Coulter and it wouldn't change anything with the insane, unhinged Left.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 26, 2017 02:41 PM (vg8iE)

346 I was already having a crappy day. Now it's crap covered in disillusionment and rage. I hate the Rs and the Ds now. They've collectively shown they don't care a fig for the country, they only care about their party. We're going to end up like Zimbabwe, without the cool music and clothes.

Posted by: biblio at April 26, 2017 02:41 PM (6FY0P)

347 WTF???? I don't bid on a job, unless I have a plan in place to DO the damn job.... but then, I'm not a politician... I live in the real world....
Posted by: Don Q. at April 26, 2017 02:30 PM (NgKpN)

It's simple. There's no incentive for them to ever do anything. We don't give them any incentive. They are more than happy to let a president call the shots and take the hits. They can cruise along, suck ***** for contributions/bribes, and have endless employment. No need to risk that with voting on issues.

Trump is not perfect and ace is right in that he's made some big mistakes early on. I don't know if I'm ready to say he's done, too early for that. What I will say is that we need to punish to GOP congress by not voting for a single incumbent. It's that simple. If you vote for any incumbent, I don't care how awesome the are, you only cement this corruption.

Posted by: Alex #11 at April 26, 2017 02:41 PM (ka13S)

348 Would such a feat of Moron engineering be enough to make The Barrel go "That's it, I'm out."

Discuss.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:31 PM (mf5HN)

I would guess not.
At least in my experience, copypasta doesn't transfer bold, italics, and whatnot from other people's posts.

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:41 PM (3Liv/)

349 I think we're pretty much stuck with a holding pattern in Congress and only relying on getting gains from the SCOTUS until the great unpleasantness starts. The ratchet turns one way.
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I don't if it's a ratchet so much as a Pandora's Box.

Close it all you want. The evil is OUT.

Adams said at the Constitution was only fit to for a "religious and moral people".

Does America even look like this anymore?

Split Dick Jenner is a national "HERO".

Ponder that one.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:41 PM (awqUF)

350 Donnie does not seem to be the war time consigliere we were hoping for...

Posted by: Michael Corleone at April 26, 2017 02:41 PM (DpOmP)

351 Of course, whatever the fuck we are about to do the Norks might be a distraction.

Is any media outlet watching to see when the carrier strike group in Port at Brementon sails?

Posted by: Jean at April 26, 2017 02:42 PM (TVGgO)

352 You want to sit there and whine and moan you go right ahead. I'll just scroll past you. You're now just the reflection of the screaming Left.

Enjoy your rage fit.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Join the Conspiracy of the Month Club at the Outrage Outlet! Flavored Tinfoil in May! at April 26, 2017 02:41 PM (hLRSq)

Well, so long as it isn't personal.....

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 02:42 PM (CPk08)

353 They've collectively shown they don't care a fig for the country, they only care about their party
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Actually, they do care a lot about illegal aliens, Muslim terrorist, Muslim refugees, and single-payer healthcare.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 26, 2017 02:42 PM (vg8iE)

354 I would take my unpaid ass home, throw the ball with the kid and do body shots with Melania in the hot tub until we both got silly.

I don't believe that he is done yet.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:35 PM (awqUF)

THIS. And I lived through Leftist Bush Derangement Syndrome, and remember what a statist globalist RINO he actually was.

Even SuperTrump may have a breaking point.

He could have done that without running. He has the cash.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:42 PM (rvtDF)

355 Republicans tried going toe to toe with Democrats over a shutdown... and got burned very badly over it.

They need to be provided with a well though out gameplan for pulling this off, complete with contingency plans.

But that requires forethought and delicacy, rather than sending in a bull into the china shop.
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 02:39 PM (rUIbB)

That was 1995. That was 22 years ago.

I want to know, exactly and precisely, how long the GOP is planning to take to come up with this plan. That is not a rhetorical question. Name it. Give me the time frame.

Because when people born after that occurred can legally drink now? The GOP has had long enough to think this through. It's not as if the need to fund the government is some type of unknown shock on an annual basis.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:43 PM (mf5HN)

356 This is all well past a Consitutional Crisis, Civil War II is hot... the GOPe is still in denial

Posted by: William Tecumseh Sherman at April 26, 2017 02:43 PM (DpOmP)

357 You people want to hate on each other and Trump and hating on Trump more than looking at a pic of Melania in underwear.

I don't know you anymore, Horde.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:37 PM (mf5HN)

The past 25 years or so have greatly devalued the "she's hot and you can almost see her stuff hanging out" market, like hyperinflation.

Oddly, it hasn't seemed to done much to the "OMG LOOKIT THIS ADORBS KITTEH" market. Maybe there's a research grant in there...

Posted by: hogmartin at April 26, 2017 02:43 PM (8nWyX)

358 Trump did sign an EO today that will roll back Obama's land grab and open millions of acres up for energy exploration
----------------------------
That too will be stopped by a judge.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:37 PM (5Kf7w)

In other news, Trump sent the Navy, steaming toward the Korean peninsula, so as to stop the crazy Nork dictator... but a county judge from Podunk County, New Hampshire issued an injunction, so the Navy has turned around.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2017 02:43 PM (TOk1P)

359 Worse still, the Republicans know that no matter the root cause they will be held responsible by the public for any government shutdown. The Democrats are just superior, and vastly so, at driving the narrative and public perception of these things.

Posted by: Steve walsh at April 26, 2017 02:43 PM (OeQ/D)

360 Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Join the Conspiracy of the Month Club at the Outrage Outlet! Flavored Tinfoil in May!
===

Mikey!

Has the new shipment of kvetching arrived?

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:43 PM (awqUF)

361 >>>The dumbest movie ever was "Corvette Summer," starring Mark Hamill, followed closely by "Lair of the White Worm."

WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!!!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 26, 2017 02:44 PM (jHFYS)

362 "I hope Trump realizes that our tolerance for his shakiness in standing
up his government and in delivering on promises is not without limits."

Trump is not powerless.

A mass arrests of public officials violating 8 USC 1324 would be a demonstration that the rule of law applies to politicians as well as serfs...I mean citizens.

Maybe those GOP politicians taking illegal campaign money...cough, cough, Songbird...take note.

The leeches have bit deeply into our system, rooting them out is going to be painful

Posted by: Grad School Fool at April 26, 2017 02:44 PM (swEzU)

363
If Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway have been pushed aside, then Trump will have no one steering him in the right (and Right) direction.

This would not be the best scenario, as steroid freak Rich Piana would say.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:44 PM (5Kf7w)

364 The Republicans must all be bought or the leverage held against these congress critters in order for them to hold office must be immense. No wonder they keep funding such obscene entities such as PP. And the, " oh just wait, we'll fight for it for it later," schtick. Representative Tom Cole (OK) for instance does not help. Frustrating to say the least.

Posted by: Suspicious Gorn at April 26, 2017 02:44 PM (40ePF)

365 Republicans tried going toe to toe with Democrats over a shutdown... and got burned very badly over it.

You mean 1995, when the GOP gained seats the very next year?

The media likes to whine a lot about government shutdowns, but there's essentially zero evidence of them ever actually hurting Republicans at the ballot box.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 26, 2017 02:44 PM (3J/LN)

366 want to cut down on illegal alien employment?

allow employers to verify the I-9 documents they are given. last time i looked, it was a violation to check their authenticity.

also, go after all the private employers, like the rich lieberal fucks i have for neighbors, who all have maids and nannies, but don't pay payroll taxes on them, just like they went after Arnold the Dumbass when he ran for governor here in #Failifornia.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 26, 2017 02:45 PM (PNYug)

367 Your argument is illogical. Your choices--make a better argument, or kneel.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 02:32 PM (Bdeb0)

How is asserting that voters determine the outcome of an election illogical? Unless you want to make a point about ballot stuffing that would be out of the blue in this thread. Saying that our votes have no meaningful impact on policy fits pretty well, but wasn't what I was saying.
In any case, Hillary's absence from the presidency is not a consequence of Trump taking office and enacting some policy or other, the two are both the consequence of voters' actions last November.

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:45 PM (3Liv/)

368 Trump has high approvals from those who voted for him. A majority of Americans believe he's been keeping his promises.

I always knew that Trump's promises would be Best Efforts and met by Resistance including from the GOPe. He's been working hard and I expect he'll make more progress.

Don't forget that Trump has been quite active on the foreign front, and doing well.

MSM has been all in as part of the Resistance. Ds like Schumer also. I believe they're digging their own hole faster than the grave they want to dig for Trump.

YMMV. But I've been right mostly. And expect I'll continue to be

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 26, 2017 02:45 PM (SIY7D)

369 Well, so long as it isn't personal.....

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 02:42 PM (CPk0

Gosh no! I just can't seem to understand why anyone would waste their time talking to someone who enjoys being in a bad mood and all that.

Doesn't seem productive or healthy to me, so I ignore them - but they are free to continue on with it.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Join the Conspiracy of the Month Club at the Outrage Outlet! Flavored Tinfoil in May! at April 26, 2017 02:45 PM (hLRSq)

370 Yeah I don't know. Seems to be a lot going on in the world outside Washint. My friends are still fighting in Afghanistan or Syria and we fired a Minuteman III last night with a love note from the Norks.

But you know, where the fuck is that ObamaCare repeal?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (h5F/r)

371 54
btw, director of Silence of the Lambs, Jonathan Demme is mort.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 01:46 PM (5Kf7w)

The full directorial filmography:

Caged Heat (1974)
Crazy Mama (1975)
Fighting Mad (1976)
Handle with Care (1977)
Last Embrace (1979)
Melvin and Howard (1980)
Who Am I This Time? (1982)
Swing Shift (1984)
Stop Making Sense (1984)
Something Wild (1986)
Swimming to Cambodia (1987)
Married to the Mob (198

The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
Cousin Bobby (1992)
Philadelphia (1993)
Storefront Hitchcock (199

Beloved (199

The Truth About Charlie (2002)
The Agronomist (2003)
The Manchurian Candidate (2004)
Neil Young: Heart of Gold (2006)
Man from Plains (2007)
Rachel Getting Married (200

Neil Young Trunk Show (2009)
Neil Young Journeys (2011)
A Master Builder (2013)
Ricki and the Flash (2015)
Justin Timberlake + The Tennessee Kids (2016)

RIP

Posted by: Gran at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (XIXhw)

372 361 >>>The dumbest movie ever was "Corvette Summer," starring Mark Hamill, followed closely by "Lair of the White Worm."

WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!!!

I nominate Avatar. Gawd that was dumb.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (CPk08)

373 On the bright side, the Congress will have a budget this year, after having none for the last eight.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (GX63o)

374 The GOP is, for the most part, an illigitimate politcal party.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (Z1Ra8)

375 You people want to hate on each other and Trump and hating on Trump more than looking at a pic of Melania in underwear.

I don't know you anymore, Horde.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:37 PM (mf5HN)

The past 25 years or so have greatly devalued the "she's hot and you can almost see her stuff hanging out" market, like hyperinflation

That and pornhub on the smartphone and no one has to look at a still picture.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (rvtDF)

376 I whacked off many time to Lair of a White Worm as a teen, I remember it as a great movie; did Corvette Summer have lots of tits?

Posted by: Jean at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (TVGgO)

377 shit.

Posted by: Gran at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (XIXhw)

378 Trump abandoning those who brought him for the people that Ivanka and Jared want to hobnob with is only going to take his polling numbers in one direction. If he's having a hard time setting his agenda with polling numbers in the low 40s, how's he going to do better from the low 30s?
Posted by: gm at April 26, 2017 02:37 PM (rT6IK)

A NYC Republican acting like a NYC Republican?

Whodathunkit?!

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (rUIbB)

379 Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 02:39 PM (rUIbB)

That was 1995. That was 22 years ago.

I want to know, exactly and precisely, how long the GOP is planning to take to come up with this plan. That is not a rhetorical question. Name it. Give me the time frame.

Because when people born after that occurred can legally drink now? The GOP has had long enough to think this through. It's not as if the need to fund the government is some type of unknown shock on an annual basis.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:43 PM (mf5HN)

Yeah, I'm about tired of the "we tried that and it didn't work" excuse.

Do people remember the last time we had this confrontation? The Dems were forcing old WWII Vets away from National Memorial sites. And what did our stalwart Republicans do?

That's right, they ragged on Ted Cruz for being a sourpuss.

Oh yes they did.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (TOk1P)

380 Mikey!

Has the new shipment of kvetching arrived?

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:43 PM (awqUF)

Yes. It's in the back next to "Alarms and Panics".

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Join the Conspiracy of the Month Club at the Outrage Outlet! Flavored Tinfoil in May! at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (hLRSq)

381 The Republicans must all be bought or the leverage held against these congress critters in order for them to hold office must be immense.

Nothing works better than a handie under the desk...

Posted by: Joe Scarborough at April 26, 2017 02:47 PM (DpOmP)

382 Demi Moore is mort? RIP

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 26, 2017 02:47 PM (GX63o)

383 Trump has stated firmly like six times in the past few days that the wall will be funded before the end of the year.

"The wall will be built!" he repeated over and over yesterday.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to abandon ship because Trump couldn't undue <i>decades</i> of leftists bureaucratic legislation in 100 days. You're all acting like Trump is just sitting on his laurels doing nothing...

Remember what the guy is up against.

He went into office with planted intelligence agents and bureaucrats working in tandem with the media to derail his presidency from the start. He's had to fight constant leaks and fake accusations every single day - whilst trying to get his administration staffed in the most hostile environment imaginable. The democratic party has vowed, publicly, that they will oppose EVERYTHING no matter what, since before he took office. Even staff appointments have divulged into purely partisan votes - something that has never happened before. We even have establishment republicans constantly undermining his authority - just ask McCain, who enjoys traveling to foreign nations to dis our president. The GOP hates Trump just as much as the dems do. Plus, Trump has to deal with an authoritarian judicial branch filled with leftist activists in black robes.

Even still, he has begun the process of taken an axe to bureaucracies and the deep state. He's drastically cut back the EPA and removed stupid anti-energy regulations. He enacted an EO to reduce regulations (1 new reg, remove 2 old ones). He's appointed a solid conservative to the SC, which was in serious risking of being lost for decades. He even nuked the filibuster to get it through. He moved the DOJ to enforce our immigration laws, which have reduced illegal immigration dramatically. He's defunding sanctuary cities, and has been on contact with business to help construct the wall. And, he's working to defund Obamacare as we speak. REMEMBER, he has the entire establishment of BOTH PARTIES against him.

All this stuff takes time. Fighting against decades of corruption and entrenched power takes more than 100 days. Keep in mind, this visceral 'resistance' is happening because Trump is actually trying to change things.

So no, I'm not going to get my panties in a wad and just abandon ship. If 2-4 years down the line nothing's changed, then I'll grab a pitchfork. But I know what Trump has to deal with, so I'll give him more than 100 days.

Posted by: JC at April 26, 2017 02:47 PM (3GSgE)

384 351 I don't think so however, the ULF transmissions from Jim Creek have intensified the last few days. Never a good sign.

Posted by: Under Fire at April 26, 2017 02:47 PM (UOJLJ)

385 Oddly, it hasn't seemed to done much to the "OMG LOOKIT THIS ADORBS KITTEH" market. Maybe there's a research grant in there...
Posted by: hogmartin at April 26, 2017 02:43 PM (8nWyX)

Must. Not. Make. Applying. For. Pussy. Study. Grant. Joke.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:47 PM (mf5HN)

386 Comes the point where it is a matter of will, and a decision to persist against all odds.

Back down, and you lose every time.

Trust me, I know about losing.

Posted by: L' Ohnoes at April 26, 2017 02:48 PM (hWGif)

387 Gosh no! I just can't seem to understand why anyone would waste their time talking to someone who enjoys being in a bad mood and all that.

Not in a bad mood. Just don't expect cheerleading from me for any of the pubbies plans. They can't do what they were voted in to do, don't expect me to get excited when they try to half ass something.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:48 PM (rvtDF)

388
Dudley Moore is dead?

He was funny in Author, Author.

Posted by: Soothsayer at 5 years old at April 26, 2017 02:48 PM (5Kf7w)

389 Posted by: Marcus T
==

Marcus!

RogerD on the Norkshot, good to hear it. America feared is America safe.

Life is ups and downs. More ups on the way.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:48 PM (awqUF)

390 Do people remember the last time we had this confrontation? The Dems were forcing old WWII Vets away from National Memorial sites. And what did our stalwart Republicans do?

That's right, they ragged on Ted Cruz for being a sourpuss.

Well, turning it around on Obama would've been raaaacist, you see.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 26, 2017 02:48 PM (3J/LN)

391 Long list of movies clipped.

RIP

Posted by: Gran at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (XIXhw)

And I never saw a one of them, and will never miss 'em.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 26, 2017 02:48 PM (0deF2)

392 >>>This would not be the best scenario, as steroid freak Rich Piana would say.

We could drill his arms for oil to help fund the wall.

Posted by: Max Power at April 26, 2017 02:49 PM (q177U)

393 382 Demi Moore is mort? RIP

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 26, 2017 02:47 PM (GX63o)

Not seeing that anywhere...

Posted by: Gran at April 26, 2017 02:49 PM (XIXhw)

394 382
Demi Moore is mort? RIP

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 26, 2017 02:47 PM (GX63o)
what?

Posted by: phoenixgirl... at April 26, 2017 02:49 PM (0O7c5)

395 >>>I don't believe that he is done yet.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:35 PM (awqUF)>>>

So, 3 months in isn't time to be concerned, yet? Maybe you're right. At what point do you allow me to be concerned over Trump's inaction, and worse, capitulation to the Dems and GOPe? Is 12 months enough? 24? 36?

Posted by: gm at April 26, 2017 02:49 PM (rT6IK)

396
And then it'll be quietly dropped.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:40 PM (rvtDF)

I doubt it, increasing U.S. energy production is what he talked about more than anything else on the campaign trail

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at April 26, 2017 02:49 PM (lKyWE)

397 So no, I'm not going to get my panties in a wad and just abandon ship.
====

No need.

MikeyNTH is having a special on pre-wadded panties at the Outlet.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:50 PM (awqUF)

398 Roger Moore is dead??

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 02:50 PM (QQ+il)

399 Trump could use a shutdown like a hammer on the Dims. No closing parks and monuments, but tons of shit no one notices. Then say, who cares, we can run at a 70% level. All the climate idiots for example.

Posted by: Jean at April 26, 2017 02:50 PM (TVGgO)

400 >>How is asserting that voters determine the outcome
of an election illogical? Unless you want to make a point about ballot
stuffing that would be out of the blue in this thread. Saying that our
votes have no meaningful impact on policy fits pretty well, but wasn't
what I was saying. In any case, Hillary's absence from the presidency
is not a consequence of Trump taking office and enacting some policy or
other, the two are both the consequence of voters' actions last
November. Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:45 PM (3Liv/)

You decoupled Trump's win from Trump's voters, as if one could be accomplished without the other. Doing so sounds so much like "guns don't kill people, people kill people."

You say "Hillary's absence from the presidency is not a consequence of Trump taking office."

This posits a Schroedinger's TrumpClinton. This is illogical. Kneel.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 02:50 PM (Bdeb0)

401 I don't think Trump is done at all.

But, I do believe that he's at a crossroads or rapidly approaching one.

He needs to get a win for his voters.

A clear solid win for the people who voted for him.

Gutting Obamacare would be such a win.

A real gutting, if a repeal cannot get through right now.

Make it legal once again to sell health insurance in this country. make it illegal to force people to buy health insurance. Put all the market forces stuff in place. And not require any insurance company to provide Obamacare at all.

That should get things headed in the right direction and drive insurance costs way way down.

That's a solid win.

Then repeal the hollow husk of Ocare next year.

The Wall is also an easy win. Take away some Democrat cronies goodie to pay for it.

BOOM. Do these things and Trump's Republican voters love love love him.

The you can give the GOPe their tax breaks.

Win win win.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 26, 2017 02:50 PM (NyJwR)

402 And I never saw a one of them, and will never miss 'em.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 26, 2017 02:48 PM (0deF2)

I've only seen two: Married To The Mob (not bad) and Philadelphia (blecchh).

Posted by: Gran at April 26, 2017 02:51 PM (XIXhw)

403 I fucking hate the GOPe. Cowardly bastards could have 90% of Congress and they'd still roll over for the Dems. Fuck them. Fuck them with pineapples and porcupines.

My hatred is intensified by their causing me to say "fuck" this many times on a Wednesday.

Posted by: iwuzhere at April 26, 2017 02:51 PM (jiGGU)

404 So no, I'm not going to get my panties in a wad and
just abandon ship. If 2-4 years down the line nothing's changed, then
I'll grab a pitchfork. But I know what Trump has to deal with, so I'll
give him more than 100 days.

Posted by: JC at April 26, 2017 02:47 PM (3GSgE)

Well said.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 26, 2017 02:51 PM (GX63o)

405 Sir Thomas More is dead? Didn't that happen in 1535?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 02:51 PM (h5F/r)

406 How did a Ryan Ripping thread get derail into a Trump Thump?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 02:51 PM (QQ+il)

407 Lair of the white worm - almost forgot about that one!
Prometheus - quite stupid.

Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 02:51 PM (gbWkA)

408 Gah! I hate everyone in DC!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at April 26, 2017 02:51 PM (NOIQH)

409 So no, I'm not going to get my panties in a wad and just abandon ship. If 2-4 years down the line nothing's changed, then I'll grab a pitchfork. But I know what Trump has to deal with, so I'll give him more than 100 days.

Posted by: JC at April 26, 2017 02:47 PM (3GSgE)

=====

Golf clap. Very well stated, thank you.

Posted by: Uber Lyft Driver at April 26, 2017 02:51 PM (8LaD4)

410 Dinty Moore is dead?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 02:51 PM (CPk08)

411 Republicans tried going toe to toe with Democrats over a shutdown... and got burned very badly over it.
---
When was that.

What was the final toll of the consequences that qualify as 'burned very badly'?

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 02:52 PM (3Liv/)

412 Bill Nye's "sex junk" music video

Now there's a phrase I never thought I would see.

Posted by: rickl at April 26, 2017 02:52 PM (xjiRE)

413 You people want to hate on each other and Trump and hating on Trump more than looking at a pic of Melania in underwear.

Nope; I don't want to do any of that; I'm tired, and I'm sure I'm a disappointment but I'd rather have some sort of interesting conversation with Melania than stare at a picture of her in her underwear. of course, the likelihood of me having a conversation with Melania....is very unlikely

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2017 02:52 PM (fDdVG)

414 Dinty Moore is dead?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 02:51 PM (CPk0

No, Just tastes that way.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 26, 2017 02:52 PM (0deF2)

415 412
Bill Nye's "sex junk" music video

Now there's a phrase I never thought I would see.

Posted by: rickl at April 26, 2017 02:52 PM (xjiRE)

he likes the butt stuff

Posted by: phoenixgirl... at April 26, 2017 02:53 PM (0O7c5)

416 >>376
I whacked off many time to Lair of a White Worm as a teen, I remember it
as a great movie; did Corvette Summer have lots of tits? Posted by: Jean at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (TVGgO)

Everyone whacked off to Lair of the White Worm. Everyone also whacked off to Humanoids From The Deep, when the chick with the awesome boobs does it with the sea monster. It, too, was a shitty movie.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 02:53 PM (Bdeb0)

417 did Corvette Summer have lots of tits?

No, just one giant Butt in the starring role.

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 26, 2017 02:53 PM (eytER)

418 No, Just tastes that way.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 26, 2017 02:52 PM (0deF2)

You mean Michael Moore? He's dead?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 02:53 PM (CPk08)

419 D.C. is clearly an irretrievable mess, and Mr. Swamp Cleaner is warming up to the value of playing the game. He'll be better than Clinton, of course(!), but we really need to get ready to be constantly disappointed in both DJT and the GOP.

We need some massive event to break the status quo. I would rather see it in my lifetime than to pass the buck to my children and grandchildren. D.C. needs a cleansing climax fire that destroys both the tangled undergrowth as well as the canopy trees that seem to survive regardless of what happens. This BS is not going to end via ballots and incrementalism.

Posted by: Lawrence Larson at April 26, 2017 02:53 PM (gNKbf)

420 So, 3 months in isn't time to be concerned, yet? Maybe you're right.
======

Sure, stud.

Nevertrumpers MUST nevertrump. It's what they do.

Otherwise they explode or something.

Freak the fcuk out. Go nuts. Wadd your panties into tightly formed cotton roses. Don't. care.

I will sit back and laugh.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:54 PM (awqUF)

421 It looks like we are on a precipice of our government and society starting to implode.

News from 2012.

Posted by: V the K at April 26, 2017 02:54 PM (O7MnT)

422 "Trump's first big mistake was calling off the dogs on the investigation of the clintons.

That opened the door for the fake Russian scandal to grow legs"

That prosecution would have brought matters to a head and both the Deep State and the gope quislings would have opposed him; I think he could have rolled them by using emergency powers and the majority would have supported him

But every time he gets side tracked by a distraction like Syria, or allows the gope to piss all over his face, he loses support from (some of) the folks that brought him to the dance

He needs to strike first, and strike hard, before it is impossible to strike at all.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at April 26, 2017 02:54 PM (swEzU)

423 The XXXX is dead?

Is an old AoS meme.

Demi is still alive.

(I think)

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 26, 2017 02:54 PM (J+eG2)

424 For the noobs:

J. Demme actually is mort. The running gag is to chime in with a similar sounding name or easily mistaken other person, ask if they are dead, and then the process repeats until boobs comes up or the punsters take over.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 26, 2017 02:54 PM (GX63o)

425 >>>406 How did a Ryan Ripping thread get derail into a Trump Thump?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 02:51 PM (QQ+il)>>>

Maybe because I wanted Trump to put Ryan's head in a vice by now. But he seems to be bending over for him instead.

Posted by: gm at April 26, 2017 02:55 PM (rT6IK)

426 Dinty Moore is dead?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In
==

Oh yeah thanks for ruining dinner.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:55 PM (awqUF)

427 What's this about Roger Moore passing away...?

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 26, 2017 02:55 PM (eytER)

428 You mean Michael Moore? He's dead?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 02:53 PM (CPk0

You really don't get out much, do you? I wish I could say I had good news for you, but no.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 26, 2017 02:55 PM (0deF2)

429 372 361 >>>The dumbest movie ever was "Corvette Summer," starring Mark Hamill, followed closely by "Lair of the White Worm."

WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!!!

I nominate Avatar. Gawd that was dumb.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 02:46 PM (CPk0

Hmmm.... it depends, are we talking about movies that actually tried to take themselves seriously?...

Or does... Attack of the Killer Tomatoes qualify?

Posted by: Don Q. at April 26, 2017 02:55 PM (NgKpN)

430 "Melvin and Howard" is a great low-key comedy.

Wonderful stuff.

Paul Le Mat (whatever happened to him?)

and Jason Robards excellent in their roles.

Stream it on Amazon.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 26, 2017 02:55 PM (NyJwR)

431 How did a Ryan Ripping thread get derail into a Trump Thump?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 02:51 PM (QQ+il)

All threads are Trump Threads, moose out front should have told you.

Joanthan Demme is, in fact, morte.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:56 PM (mf5HN)

432 "So no, I'm not going to get my panties in a wad and just abandon ship. If 2-4 years down the line nothing's changed, then I'll grab a pitchfork. But I know what Trump has to deal with, so I'll give him more than 100 days.
Posted by: JC at April 26, 2017 02:47 PM (3GSgE)"

THIS

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 26, 2017 02:56 PM (SIY7D)

433 384 351 I don't think so however, the ULF transmissions from Jim Creek have intensified the last few days. Never a good sign.

Posted by: Under Fire

Any word from the kangeroos at exmouth?

Posted by: Jean at April 26, 2017 02:56 PM (TVGgO)

434 Trump could use a shutdown like a hammer on the Dims. No closing parks and monuments, but tons of shit no one notices. Then say, who cares, we can run at a 70% level.

You want to see a win out of a shutdown?

Shut it down. Tell all non-essential personnel to stay home.

Then fire all non essential personnel as not needed.
Repeat as necessary. Shrink the behemoth.

Will it happen? No.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 02:56 PM (rvtDF)

435 Not on google, not on twitter

Posted by: Bruce Willis at April 26, 2017 02:56 PM (DpOmP)

436 Nope; I don't want to do any of that; I'm tired, and I'm sure I'm a disappointment but I'd rather have some sort of interesting conversation with Melania than stare at a picture of her in her underwear. of course, the likelihood of me having a conversation with Melania....is very unlikely
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2017 02:52 PM (fDdVG)

*puts another tally mark in the CUTE KITTEH column*
*fills bathtub with champagne*
*reviews grad student applications for unpaid ~~slave labor~~internships*

Posted by: hogmartin at April 26, 2017 02:57 PM (8nWyX)

437 >>>Freak the fcuk out. Go nuts. Wadd your panties into tightly formed cotton roses. Don't. care.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:54 PM (awqUF)>>>

You're sure crying an awful lot for someone who doesn't care, bruh.

Posted by: gm at April 26, 2017 02:57 PM (rT6IK)

438 Agnes Moorehead is dead?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 02:57 PM (QQ+il)

439 Dinty Moore is dead?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In

No. Just stewed.

He got into the Val-U-Rite.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 26, 2017 02:57 PM (NyJwR)

440 426 Dinty Moore is dead?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In
==

Oh yeah thanks for ruining dinner.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:55 PM (awqUF)

Dinty Moore is PEOPLE!!!!

Posted by: Detective Thorn at April 26, 2017 02:57 PM (NgKpN)

441 please tell me it's Michael Moore...

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 26, 2017 02:57 PM (PNYug)

442 Poor Jonathan Rhys Meyers. I hadn't known he was sick.

Posted by: Witchdoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at April 26, 2017 02:57 PM (eytER)

443 How did a Ryan Ripping thread get derail into a Trump Thump?
==

TDS is real.

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 02:58 PM (awqUF)

444 424
For the noobs:

J. Demme actually is mort. The running gag is to
chime in with a similar sounding name or easily mistaken other person,
ask if they are dead, and then the process repeats until boobs comes up
or the punsters take over.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 26, 2017 02:54 PM (GX63o)
true....not even remotely a noob but i still fell for it......

Posted by: phoenixgirl... at April 26, 2017 02:58 PM (0O7c5)

445 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at April 26, 2017 02:58 PM (GwIKd)

446 >>Dinty Moore is PEOPLE!!!! Posted by: Detective Thorn at April 26, 2017 02:57 PM (NgKpN)

Soylent is the other, other green meat.

Posted by: General Zod at April 26, 2017 02:58 PM (Bdeb0)

447 *reviews grad student applications for unpaid slave laborinternships*
Posted by: hogmartin at April 26, 2017 02:57 PM (8nWyX)

I forget the context of this but it was something about spiders, thus everyone who ever met me made sure to send it to me, in which there was a mention of the grad student who had to milk the spiders.

I've always been curious as to what the grad student did to be assigned that job. I presume nothing good.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:59 PM (mf5HN)

448 until boobs comes up or the punsters take over.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 26, 2017 02:54 PM (GX63o)

Boobs have gone tits-up?

Posted by: hogmartin at April 26, 2017 02:59 PM (8nWyX)

449 Paul Le Mat (whatever happened to him?)

His character John Milner was killed by a drunk driver in 1964. :-(

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 26, 2017 02:59 PM (ujg0T)

450 If the national parks get shut down, who shows up to lock the gates again, after I use the bolt cutters?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: simplemind at April 26, 2017 02:59 PM (xVRrG)

451 Posted by: hogmartin at April 26, 2017 02:57 PM (8nWyX)

Does this mean that you don't want to stare at a picture of Melania in her underwear or that you were going to stare at her picture while in a bathtub filled with champagne? ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2017 03:00 PM (fDdVG)

452 Boobs have gone tits-up?
Posted by: hogmartin at April 26, 2017 02:59 PM (8nWyX)

*flat stare*

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 03:01 PM (mf5HN)

453 I will work with Jeter! to make the Marlins! exciting again.

Posted by: Jeb! at April 26, 2017 03:01 PM (4AVeu)

454 Soylent is the other, other green meat.

What makes Soylent Green so good? It's the people!

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 26, 2017 03:01 PM (YEelc)

455 You do realize that the Resistance has been trying to goad Trump into "over-reaction" on several fronts.

He's mostly not taken the bait.

Many hear would have were they POTUS, with disastrous results.

There's not much I would have done differently, even with the benefit of hindsight

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 26, 2017 03:01 PM (SIY7D)

456 There will be no government shut down.
We need government. Otherwise, there will be chaos.

Government must prevail.

Posted by: L' Ohnoes at April 26, 2017 03:01 PM (hWGif)

457
You're sure crying an awful lot for someone who doesn't care, bruh.

Posted by: gm
===

Gotta little Amish in you?

heh

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 03:01 PM (awqUF)

458 Archie Moore dead again?

Posted by: dantesed at April 26, 2017 03:02 PM (88xKn)

459 Does this mean that you don't want to stare at a picture of Melania in her underwear or that you were going to stare at her picture while in a bathtub filled with champagne? ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2017 03:00 PM (fDdVG)

I thought it meant that he was going to stare a t a picture of a bathtub filled with champagne while dressed in Melania's underwear. But I didn't want to comment on that, because you know, whatever floats your boat....

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 03:02 PM (CPk08)

460 Archie Manning is dead?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 03:02 PM (QQ+il)

461 Does this mean that you don't want to stare at a picture of Melania in her underwear or that you were going to stare at her picture while in a bathtub filled with champagne? ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2017 03:00 PM (fDdVG)

See #357. I just want to get federal research grants to live in the lifestyle to which I have become accustomed and dangle treats just outside the reach of grad students.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 26, 2017 03:03 PM (8nWyX)

462 Rage does not come close to what I feel about this. The wall was a consistent campaign promise. Trump has all branches of government. Why the FVCK do the leftists have any say AT ALL at this point in time?

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at April 26, 2017 03:03 PM (TdMsT)

463 No only this but know reports are coming out that Trump just caved on the Insurance Carrier subsidies.

He capitulated on most everything and got nothing for it...wasn't that what he calls a "Bad deal"?

Not much Art that I can see.

Posted by: WisRich at April 26, 2017 03:03 PM (hdpay)

464 Well we just have to accept the fact that we lost the last election and do what the Democrats want us to do. They've vetoed our vote and they get to act like they're still in charge.
They have the judiciary, the media and the bureaucracy and we have bupkiss I guess.
I am so fucking disgusted I can't say anymore because I will be banned.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 26, 2017 03:03 PM (kXoPF)

465 I loved Dinty Moore in "Arthur" and "10".

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 26, 2017 03:03 PM (4AVeu)

466 You decoupled Trump's win from Trump's voters, as if one could be
accomplished without the other. Doing so sounds so much like "guns don't
kill people, people kill people."
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The words you are reading are not what I'm writing.

I'm saying the action of the voters, namely voting, is the reason Hillary is not in office. [Which I note is the opposite of what you seem to think I mean]

That disqualifies it as something Trump can be praised for giving us in the time frame *after he took office*.

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 03:03 PM (3Liv/)

467 Johnny Depp is dead?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Join the Conspiracy of the Month Club at the Outrage Outlet! Flavored Tinfoil in May! at April 26, 2017 03:04 PM (hLRSq)

468 So the UN states a repeal of Obamacare would violate the law?

Boy, I'm really concerned now. :-/

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 03:04 PM (h5F/r)

469 >>>Humanoids From The Deep

that IS the worlds worst movie.
super foxy guy on the football team took me on a date and it was the only one not sold out.

uncomfortable!

Posted by: concrete girl at April 26, 2017 03:04 PM (PWNxU)

470 Oh good God Rush, take a Midol.

If our Hero doesn't wrap up the undoinds of Obama's 8 years of dastardly deeds by the end of Rush's 3 hour show- ALL IS LOST -

*wails *
*gnashes teeth*

Important, permanent change takes time.

And Soundbite Nation has the patience of a meth-addled rhesus monkey.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her at April 26, 2017 01:49 PM (awqUF)

This..
And take Mark Levin into the rubber room with him. I guess I'm insane for periodically turning on Levin, but I did it again last night, to be treated to a whiny caller crybaby screaming about how Trump is "abandoning" everything he campaigned on and how he's going to be a one term president, and boo hoo, I'm righteously pure conservative and I'll stay home. He's being stupid in not realizing that Ryan and McConnell are his enemies and they are doing everything behind the scenes to stop what Trump wants to do and he should just go around them.

How in the hell is he supposed to do that?

People have the attention span of a gnat. They also seem to think that taxes, spending bills, etc. can be proposed in the Senate, or by the WH and simply passed by decree or something. That Trump can simply declare he wants tax rates lowered and it's done. That he can arrest judges, that he should just ignore every court order or the Congress and simply order his administration to do whatever he wants done , negate laws, make laws, etc.

Every day, what Trump isn't getting done totally overrides everything he is getting done.

The Senate has confirmed every single appointee since the Puzder withdrawal and it seems like there is another vacancy being appointed and confirmed every day. But if you are watching Fox or just one or two internet sites, you wont' read that.

Why in the hell is anyone worrying about the 2020 election at this point?

Posted by: Jen at April 26, 2017 03:05 PM (YZ5sm)

471 (It wouldn't be Trump doing that, I assume, but employees of the US government acting in rebellion.

I know some Border Patrol guys, and trust me, they're on board with cutting illegal immigration. They were furious during the Obongo mal-Administration.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 26, 2017 03:05 PM (SRKgf)

472 China bans Muslim names including "Jihad and Mohammed".

I'm really starting to warm up to these little bastards.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 03:06 PM (h5F/r)

473 The GOP has had long enough to think this through. It's not as if the need to fund the government is some type of unknown shock on an annual basis.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:43 PM (mf5HN)

Yeah, the GOP was burned so badly they won the House, Senate, and Presidency. Hat likes this retconn that the GOP just eviscerated itself during the shutdown when that wasn't the case. The press acted like it but most people knew better. And haven't we come to realize the press is as trusted as a used car salesman?

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 26, 2017 03:06 PM (J70i0)

474 This fucking country is over. Done. Kaput. We actually lost the Cold Wa apparentlyr - it just took this long to see the result. The Soviets just changed colors and took us over (like fleas leaving a dying dog and moving to another one).
As a matter of fact our Left is more Soviet than the fucking Soviets were, for crying out loud.
I don't see any point in even going thru the charade of elections anymore. Cause the Left wins either way.
Fuuuuuuuuck!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: LGoPs at April 26, 2017 03:07 PM (kXoPF)

475
I'm really starting to warm up to these little bastards.

Posted by: Marcus T

===

LOL

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 03:07 PM (awqUF)

476 Why in the hell is anyone worrying about the 2020 election at this point?
Posted by: Jen at April 26, 2017 03:05 PM (YZ5sm)

Because that's what we do.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 03:07 PM (mf5HN)

477 Why in the hell is anyone worrying about the 2020 election at this point?

Everyone needs a hobby.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 26, 2017 03:07 PM (YEelc)

478 I'm really starting to warm up to these little bastards.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 26, 2017 03:06 PM (h5F/r)
---------------------------
Exactly

Posted by: Thomas Friedwoman at April 26, 2017 03:08 PM (SsblQ)

479 I got a lotta Moore.

Posted by: RocKy at April 26, 2017 03:08 PM (QM5S2)

480 Well, with the GOP caving, that means there will less for the democrats to complain about. Maybe we'll get a little peace, for a time.

Posted by: L' Ohnoes at April 26, 2017 03:08 PM (hWGif)

481 May7 I make a mean spirited remark or will this freak people out too much?

If so (That it will freak you out) please skip over this post

There is somebody right now I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of in their underwear. but it's not Melania. That is because they are very self involved and pompous and would be embarrassed at anyone except their wife seeing them in their underwear, Did I mention that I am annoyed at this person right now? ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2017 03:09 PM (fDdVG)

482 Why in the hell is anyone worrying about the 2020 election at this point?
Posted by: Jen at April 26, 2017 03:05 PM (YZ5sm)

Because that's what we do.
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TRUMP CANT WIN

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 03:09 PM (awqUF)

483 Wait there are rules. The worst movie of all time can't be a "B" movie or a cult classic; those are supposed to be bad. I want to know the worst "A" movie. Avatar is a perfect example; a big budget god-awful train wreck of a movie.

Posted by: Strobe at April 26, 2017 03:09 PM (gbWkA)

484 Speaking of China, apparently the last ep of the Bill Nye Netflix thingy is about population growth and someone cites China's maternal leave policy approvingly.

*all the hands*

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 03:09 PM (mf5HN)

485 "Every day, what Trump isn't getting done totally overrides everything he is getting done."

Yep. Some here never liked Trump and never will.

Recent ABC / WaPo poll shows 96% of Trump supporters would vote for him again.

I know where the 4% are.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 26, 2017 03:09 PM (SIY7D)

486 That was 1995. That was 22 years ago.

I want to know, exactly and precisely, how long the GOP is planning to take to come up with this plan. That is not a rhetorical question. Name it. Give me the time frame.

Because when people born after that occurred can legally drink now? The GOP has had long enough to think this through. It's not as if the need to fund the government is some type of unknown shock on an annual basis.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:43 PM (mf5HN)

That's nice.

Without a pre-planned strategy, it'll in all likely hood not only fail, but set Republicans back any further.

Doing nothing is better than trying something and DERPing hard.

And I've seen no reason to indicate that a shutdown will be anything but an own-goal for Republicans.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 03:10 PM (rUIbB)

487 What we need is another NoVaMoMee.

Some old fashioned in your face, real world exchange of ideas and viewpoints.

With alcohol.

And a trampoline.

Maybe a go-fund-me page for bail, while we're at it.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 26, 2017 03:10 PM (J+eG2)

488 And haven't we come to realize the press is as trusted as a used car salesman?
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You mean the same press that is reporting that Trump is caving on:

Funding the border wall
Repealing Obamacare
Tax reform

But, honestly--this time they're not lying.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 26, 2017 03:10 PM (ZQpd0)

489 *flashes ankle*

Yoo hoo. Over here, Honey.

http://thenewamericana.com/

Posted by: Federalist Party at April 26, 2017 03:10 PM (joFoi)

490 Well, when the only elections that have consequences are the elections the left wins, guess what comes next?

If you are prog, you think utopia!

If you aren't, you start checking your supplies etc. etc.

Posted by: simplemind at April 26, 2017 03:10 PM (xVRrG)

491 May7 I make a mean spirited remark or will this freak people out too much?
==

I, for one, am freaking out .

May7. Why'd it have to be May7 ?

Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at April 26, 2017 03:11 PM (awqUF)

492 What we need is another NoVaMoMee.

Some old fashioned in your face, real world exchange of ideas and viewpoints.

With alcohol.

And a trampoline.

Maybe a go-fund-me page for bail, while we're at it.

In your underwear, apparently.

Posted by: L' Ohnoes at April 26, 2017 03:11 PM (hWGif)

493 The hell just happened to the comments?

Also it's not my fault whatever it is.

There is somebody right now I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of in their underwear. but it's not Melania. That is because they are very self involved and pompous and would be embarrassed at anyone except their wife seeing them in their underwear, Did I mention that I am annoyed at this person right now? ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2017 03:09 PM (fDdVG)

I am certain that this person deserves it.

Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 03:11 PM (mf5HN)

494 Recent ABC / WaPo poll shows 96% of Trump supporters would vote for him again.

Verses Hillary again? Low bar.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 03:11 PM (QQ+il)

495 481 May7 I make a mean spirited remark or will this freak people out too much?

If so (That it will freak you out) please skip over this post

There is somebody right now I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of in their underwear. but it's not Melania. That is because they are very self involved and pompous and would be embarrassed at anyone except their wife seeing them in their underwear, Did I mention that I am annoyed at this person right now? ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2017 03:09 PM (fDdVG)

If you get your wish, please signal it to the board by posting a picture of Melania in her underwear. Or just post the picture anyways. Either is fine.

The underwear isn't all that important either.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 03:11 PM (CPk08)

496 /checks in

/reads content

/starts throwing things

Well, I did say this was only a reprieve on the worst. Return to prepping y'all.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 26, 2017 03:11 PM (66CWr)

497 The GOP has had long enough to think this through. It's not as if the need to fund the government is some type of unknown shock on an annual basis.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 02:43 PM (mf5HN)

Yeah, the GOP was burned so badly they won the House, Senate, and Presidency. Hat likes this retconn that the GOP just eviscerated itself during the shutdown when that wasn't the case. The press acted like it but most people knew better. And haven't we come to realize the press is as trusted as a used car salesman?
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at April 26, 2017 03:06 PM (J70i0)

Who's retconning now?

The failure of the government shutdown gave Clinton a second term and kept the Democrats as a going concern.

So, let's say the government shuts down over the wall... WHAT IS YOU STRATEGY AND GAME PLAN.

And no, simply repeating, but TEH WALL, does not count.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 03:13 PM (rUIbB)

498 And I've seen no reason to indicate that a shutdown will be anything but an own-goal for Republicans.

Other than the fact that it never has been.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 03:13 PM (QQ+il)

499 432 "So no, I'm not going to get my panties in a wad and just abandon ship. If 2-4 years down the line nothing's changed, then I'll grab a pitchfork. But I know what Trump has to deal with, so I'll give him more than 100 days.
Posted by: JC at April 26, 2017 02:47 PM (3GSgE)"

THIS
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 26, 2017 02:56 PM (SIY7D)

Okay. I see that cooler heads than mine are prevailing so I'll calm down a bit.

But my fear is that this back peddling is going to hurt us bigly in the midterms, and then we will REALLY be up shit creek.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at April 26, 2017 03:13 PM (TdMsT)

500 So...

Le NOOD.

Is this where we mention it?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 26, 2017 03:13 PM (J+eG2)

501 Return to prepping y'all.
------------------------------------------

Thanks

Posted by: L' Gheys at April 26, 2017 03:13 PM (SsblQ)

502 The failure of the government shutdown gave Clinton a second term and kept the Democrats as a going concern.

How do you figure that?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at April 26, 2017 03:13 PM (QQ+il)

503 496 /checks in

/reads content

/starts throwing things

Well, I did say this was only a reprieve on the worst. Return to prepping y'all.

Food. Cows. Chickens. Ammo. Silver. Wish I could afford gold.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 26, 2017 03:13 PM (rvtDF)

504 so not only does Trump cave, but Ann Coulter and conservatives cave on Berzerkly as well....shitty day this turned out to be

Posted by: the Butcher at April 26, 2017 03:13 PM (AGJqR)

505 "Also it's not my fault whatever it is."

I'm still blaming you.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Join the Conspiracy of the Month Club at the Outrage Outlet! Flavored Tinfoil in May! at April 26, 2017 03:14 PM (hLRSq)

506 osted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 03:11 PM (CPk0

But I don't have a picture of Melania. I think AtC posted one above. I don't even have a picture of the pompous 6'4, fifty something guy in his underwear.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2017 03:14 PM (fDdVG)

507 From the ABC / WaPo poll:

"As noted, this poll finds no evidence of buyer's remorse among Trump supporters. Among those who report having voted for him in November, 96 percent today say it was the right thing to do; a mere 2 percent regret it. And if a rerun of the election were held today, the poll indicates even the possibility of a Trump victory in the popular vote among 2016 voters."

Like I said, I know where that 4%/2% live

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 26, 2017 03:16 PM (SIY7D)

508 What we need is another NoVaMoMee

I can help with a venue. I played rugby for too many years to know how to handle tasteful party games.

Posted by: Jean at April 26, 2017 03:16 PM (TVGgO)

509 The failure of the government shutdown gave Clinton a second term and kept the Democrats as a going concern.
---
So, Hat's standard for GOP action is it's only a success if it ends the democrats forever.

Interesting.

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 03:17 PM (3Liv/)

510 And I've seen no reason to indicate that a shutdown will be anything but an own-goal for Republicans.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 03:10 PM (rUIbB)

Based on nothing. Literally nothing. You have no basis for thinking that other than it's convenient to think that.

Some things sound like cliches, but you know what? They're true.

The reason Trump was elected was NOT because people were clamoring for more Republican "leadership" like we've seen from Congress for the past 6+ years.

It's precisely because we're TIRED of the Republican brand of leadership of the last 6+ years.

If you want an "own goal?" Keep doing nothing.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2017 03:17 PM (TOk1P)

511 The failure of the government shutdown gave Clinton a second term and kept the Democrats as a going concern.
---
So, Hat's standard for GOP action is it's only a success if it ends the democrats forever.

Interesting.

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 03:17 PM (3Liv/)

So, my standard for GOP action is to not DERP into an own goal due to lack of any foresight whatsoever.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 03:18 PM (rUIbB)

512 So, Hat's standard for GOP action is it's only a success if it ends the democrats forever.

Interesting.

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 03:17 PM (3Liv/)

Uh, Billy Jeff the Sleaze DID get re-elected, and I don't think that was the fault of Ross Parrot, or even Dole's weakness.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 26, 2017 03:19 PM (ujg0T)

513 I am certain that this person deserves it.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at April 26, 2017 03:11 PM (mf5HN)

Thanks. You're swell and I'll pay you the ten bucks for the kind words whenever I next see you. ;^)

"Please come to the program, Fenelon. It will boost the numbers." Ugh, gee, thanks. Couldn't you have thought of any other reason i should come other than that. Maybe that it might interest me or that I might have something good to contribute to the discussion? Nope; It's to make you look good by boosting the numbers. (I didn't actually say that; I just thought it.) There is a longer story, but that's the latest. Thanks for "listening."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2017 03:20 PM (fDdVG)

514 The failure of the government shutdown gave Clinton a second term and kept the Democrats as a going concern.
---
So, Hat's standard for GOP action is it's only a success if it ends the democrats forever.

Interesting.

Posted by: Methos, back to let it burn at April 26, 2017 03:17 PM (3Liv/)

Yes, and Clinton's second term had nothing to do with nominating a rotten old coot Bob Dole.

Even so, about 55% of the voters voted for somebody other than Clinton.

But sure, let's keep the myth of the Clinton juggernaut going.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2017 03:20 PM (TOk1P)

515
The reason Trump was elected was NOT because people were clamoring for more Republican "leadership" like we've seen from Congress for the past 6+ years.

It's precisely because we're TIRED of the Republican brand of leadership of the last 6+ years.

If you want an "own goal?" Keep doing nothing.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2017 03:17 PM (TOk1P)

Trump was elected because he's not Hillary.

If you want to change GOP Congressional leadership, or at least get them on board, then put your time and effort into doing that rather than throwing a temper-tantrum because you can immanentize the Trumpian eschaton.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 03:21 PM (rUIbB)

516 So, my standard for GOP action is to not DERP into an own goal due to lack of any foresight whatsoever.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 03:18 PM (rUIbB)

So again, genius, what evidence do you have that these idiots in Washington are capable of doing ANYTHING right?

What???

Why in the world should we elect MORE of them?

I swear to God, it's like you people willfully defy the most basic logic.

Anything with an R behind it = good. Good grief, we're Hollowpoint when you need him.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2017 03:23 PM (TOk1P)

517 Yes, and Clinton's second term had nothing to do with nominating a rotten old coot Bob Dole.

Even so, about 55% of the voters voted for somebody other than Clinton.

But sure, let's keep the myth of the Clinton juggernaut going.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2017 03:20 PM (TOk1P)

And about the same voted against Trump.

After '94 the GOP had real momentum across the entire country... something that it will likely never have again.

You have to think things through and plan ahead.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 03:23 PM (rUIbB)

518 Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2017 03:17 PM (TOk1P)

Trump was elected because he's not Hillary.

If you want to change GOP Congressional leadership, or at least get them on board, then put your time and effort into doing that rather than throwing a temper-tantrum because you can immanentize the Trumpian eschaton.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 03:21 PM (rUIbB)

I'm done with you. You're just another hopeless Gope.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2017 03:24 PM (TOk1P)

519 What gave Clinton a 2nd term was the economy. He got credit for a good economy despite having done nothing to help it along.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at April 26, 2017 03:25 PM (0x/TW)

520 If you want to change GOP Congressional leadership, or at least get them on board, then put your time and effort into doing that rather than throwing a temper-tantrum because you can immanentize the Trumpian eschaton.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 03:21 PM (rUIbB)

I'm done with you. You're just another hopeless Gope.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2017 03:24 PM (TOk1P)

Really, now? Blaming the GOPee first, before Trump, makes Hat a GOPee???

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 26, 2017 03:27 PM (ujg0T)

521 President Trump was stuck with Lyin' Ryan by the swill in the so-called "Freedom Caucus".

THEY had the numbers to remove him. THEY chose to not do so. Even thought they had clearly seen what a filthy lying piece of shiite he was for a full year.

Damn them to hell for what they have done.

Posted by: Mark Matis at April 26, 2017 03:27 PM (3L7nU)

522 So again, genius, what evidence do you have that these idiots in Washington are capable of doing ANYTHING right?

What???

Why in the world should we elect MORE of them?

I swear to God, it's like you people willfully defy the most basic logic.

Anything with an R behind it = good. Good grief, we're Hollowpoint when you need him.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2017 03:23 PM (TOk1P)

And your logic is what exactly?

Is it "people like the wall ergo we can do anything to get it with complete impunity because people can't be swayed by anything no matter how hard we screw up or how well the entire Democrat-Media complex machinates?"

The excuse of "But Trump won!!1!" is like saying Gettysburg will be a cakewalk for Robert E. Lee because Lee was #winning so stop being a coward, amirite?

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 26, 2017 03:27 PM (rUIbB)

523 After '94 the GOP had real momentum across the entire country... something that it will likely never have again.

-_-
and Newt squandered all that momentum on "social issues" instead of strangling the beast.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 26, 2017 03:30 PM (R3LP4)

524 Then the Trump says FU, I will not sign any bill unless it funds the wall, expands the military and cuts the hell out of the EPA, DOE, DOEd, and everything else.

Posted by: rd at April 26, 2017 01:58 PM (iT57s)

You DO know President Trump phones daily to run things by me, right?

Ha ha ha ha!

My party even wins when it loses!

Posted by: Chucky Schumer at April 26, 2017 03:31 PM (joFoi)

525 510 "If you want an "own goal?" Keep doing nothing."

Precisely. You would think it impossible that the GOPe wouldn't have fully internalized this by now. Congress, like the bureaucracy, is incented to survive elections for decades rather than a measly 4-8 years. Doing nothing can usually be blamed on somebody else, whereas taking action leaves a return address.

Posted by: Lawrence Larson at April 26, 2017 03:32 PM (gNKbf)

526 523 After '94 the GOP had real momentum across the entire country... something that it will likely never have again.

-_-
and Newt squandered all that momentum on "social issues" instead of strangling the beast.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 26, 2017 03:30 PM (R3LP4)

Meh, I think Newt and Co. really underestimated the LeftMedia DeepState.

Social issues, while they should not dominate and become too long a leg of the "Stool" that is the GOP, do matter somewhat. AND they were beginning to have real economic impacts, even back then.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 26, 2017 03:34 PM (ujg0T)

527 526 523 After '94 the GOP had real momentum across the entire country... something that it will likely never have again.

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and Newt squandered all that momentum on "social issues" instead of strangling the beast.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 26, 2017 03:30 PM (R3LP4)

Meh, I think Newt and Co. really underestimated the LeftMedia DeepState.

Social issues, while they should not dominate and become too long a leg of the "Stool" that is the GOP, do matter somewhat. AND they were beginning to have real economic impacts, even back then.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 26, 2017 03:34 PM (ujg0T)

I'm in the camp that says that Clinton would have lost if not for McVeigh.

Posted by: Jackal at April 26, 2017 03:38 PM (PNRp0)

528 If the Berkeley situation were reversed, the left, aided by a pres Hrc, would have united and sent in federal troops. The right loses and will continue bc they are all talk and action. Google Little Rock, 1957. The left does not hesitate to stand up to big deal game changer scenarios. Even GOP pres Ike Eisenhower supported the line in the sand. Coulter and Berkeley was and is a line in he sand moment and the GOP and trump are essentially silent. The left will us the same and more of this template to shut down speech going forward bc the right has limits on what it will do to line hold in the sand on game breaking moments. Not so the left. That's why on bathroom caves on up and down, we keep losing the culture war until no culture remains to defend. Trump should be using his office to command military escort for speech freedom in Berkeley. He did not, and that speaks volumes.

Posted by: Info at April 26, 2017 03:39 PM (sIcO8)

529 But I don't have a picture of Melania.

Well, google a good one and post that! Don't ask me to: my hand is getting tired.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at April 26, 2017 03:39 PM (CPk08)

530 Hat you are completely wrong about Clinton's re-election. It had nothing to do with any shut-downs. The only arguable electoral fall-out from those shut-downs, which I experienced first-hand, was a gain for the GOP. But even that is extremely doubtful - those gains just happened for other reasons, including (on the Senate side) individual campaign dynamics (as often is the case in that body).

Yesterday I worried (aloud) about the political dynamic here. No crystal ball, but backing down - in the face of the political equivalent of "nobody move or the n***er gets it" - at this point, is very very worrying.

The GOP meticulously avoids engaging in politics. No putting anyone on the spot by, you know, actually voting on something. This is the opposite of actual politics.

So we have the spectacle - a truly discouraging one for anyone with an interest in actual results - of the GOP/WH caving to the threat of a devastated Dem minority to throw a tantrum to *oppose a very popular policy*. WTF?

And about relying on the press - some of us don't depend to any degree on the press for analysis or so-what about any of this, having worked in the beast for years and knowing exactly what means what.

So the geniuses in the WH leg shop decided that it was smart to not have the Dems mount a banzai charge, to oppose a popular policy and one that was part of what got Trump elected, when the WH would control any "shut-down" and could orchestrate it to do further political damage to the press and the Dems. All in favor of ..... fighting it out on regular appropriations in the fall.

It MIGHT work. But experienced smart money, like many sensible amateur observers, says this is a back-down indicating lack of will. The risk that Trump will not achieve some of the most important things that he was elected to do seems to be rising substantially, in any serious analysis.

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Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2017 03:44 PM (QDnY+)

531 President Trump, please tell me and the other Little Sisters of the Poor about that sudden pro-life conversion you had before the primaries.

Posted by: Sister Mary Disgusted at April 26, 2017 03:45 PM (joFoi)

532 Social issues are everything, not merely important you gotta fight tooth and nail for anti left mid sets on all of the key issues, all the time or you will not recognize the culture you live in in short order. Another big error of many on our side, blaming socons instead of seeing the big picture and thinking The left will allow libertarianism and such if it ever conflicts with their plan to legislate and enforce their will. We are losing bc ur side does not t this is a total war for our way of life. Itself. The left gets that. That's why laws on "hate speech" are coming once they get in again. See in Europe now and recent moves by Canada to limit speech in a one way leftist direction.

Posted by: Info at April 26, 2017 03:47 PM (sIcO8)

533 serious analysis.
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as if anyone has time for that...

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 26, 2017 03:48 PM (R3LP4)

534 There have been many shut-downs in the last 40 years, most of them very brief, some of them garnering only modest attention. None of them can reasonably be said to have had much electoral impact. But for some reason the myths about the ones in the 90s persist.

And what changes in the fall, when regular approprations bills (with border funding) will, presumably, be voted on?

One big thing that changes is that if regular order is restored, separate approps bills, then it's harder to even pretend to "shut down" the govt. over a single issue. You are only blocking funding for one function area, usually a few agencies.

But the other thing that changes is you are even further from the earthquake of Nov. 9 2016. "Momentum," such as it is, usually degrades with time. Plus, intervening events (unknown unknowns) could completely re-arrange the table.

That's why I find this move a very, very risky one, and one that tells me either the WH has already sort of given up on forcing their key policies through the GOP, or is opting for a high-risk approach.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2017 03:52 PM (PjWy4)

535 Posted by: rhomboid at April 26, 2017 03:52 PM (PjWy4)

I think Trump and the "conservatives" have caved on the principle objectives. Caved to that piss Ryan and Priebus. Trump caves now and he is marked as fresh meat for the Democrats.

How he can miss that the Dems and the GOPe present as great a danger to this Republic as NORK is beyond me.

Posted by: gracepc at April 26, 2017 04:19 PM (OU4q6)

536 He can't miss that, rhomboid, but he understands that he needs funding from Congress, and he also understands that the so-called "Freedom Caucus" is worthless. That leaves him with either the Democrats or the Rove Republicans. Not that there is much difference between the two, but he's trying to get the best deal he can from a bunch of worthless lying treasonous maggots.

Posted by: Mark Matis at April 26, 2017 04:41 PM (3L7nU)

537 20 Trump should pull an Obama and take money from some liberal program and assign it to the wall and tell RINO Ryan to eat a BODs.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party

Let there be a shutdown and instead parks and tours, close down all the stuff that dems. like. Close the EPA for example.

Losing really is habit-forming. That is if failure is not the goal.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at April 26, 2017 04:44 PM (kfcYC)

538 So that's it? The threads over?

What a gyp....

Posted by: Vincent Vega at April 26, 2017 07:36 PM (FXg2y)

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