Jeff Sessions Warns Sanctuary Cities That Their Federal Funds Could Be Cut

But this might be more bark than bite -- the feds' ability to force state law enforcement to enforce federal laws is limited.

This might be one of those times we regret federalism.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions fired a broadside at so-called "sanctuary cities" Monday, telling reporters local policies of noncooperation with immigration authorities are "dangerous" and will cost communities federal funding.
In the Trump administration's most pointed warning yet, Sessions said federal law allows withholding of federal funding to sanctuary cities, and signaled that such measures will soon be taken. Sessions, who took the podium at White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer's regular media briefing, warned of a pending crackdown by the administration.
"Such policies cannot continue," he said. "They make our nation less safe by putting dangerous criminals back on the street."

The sanctuary cities are threatening to wage a fight in court, so determined are they to keep their criminals. (Note that this does relate only to criminals - state law enforcement officials would not have non-criminal illegals in their custody.)

Meanwhile, the father of the illegal immigrant who allegedly raped the 14 year old girl in Maryland (which is doubling down on becoming the first sanctuary state) has been arrested by ICE. He's also, of course, illegal. I guess that makes his rapist son a "DREAMER."

He dreamed of raping little girls, I guess.

Oh, and the media continues pumping out stories attempting to portray those being deported as nice people caught up in a rotten system. The guy the New York Daily News tries to present in a favorable light is an illegal who was arrested by ICE at a court appearance for misdemeanor assault, who has a "long rap sheet" in addition.

Didn't Obama promise to "prioritize" deporting criminal illegals? I don't remember progressives crying then -- I guess that's the difference between executing some enforcement and insincerely promising some enforcement while actually making America a Sanctuary Country.

Posted by: Ace at 01:33 PM

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1
The rapist was real dreamy, like Fabian.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 28, 2017 01:27 PM (mbhDw)

2
Put some ICE on that lip.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 28, 2017 01:28 PM (mbhDw)

3 I love that they detained the rapey dreamer's dad.
Incentives matter.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 28, 2017 01:28 PM (NOIQH)

4
Lemme get the corgis . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 28, 2017 01:28 PM (mbhDw)

5 Yay! Top ten

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at March 28, 2017 01:28 PM (fdCO6)

6 The Democrats will resist.

And then Jeff needs to go in and arrest them for aiding and abetting illegal immigration.

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 01:29 PM (iT57s)

7 And of course the Demoncraps are squealing like the stuck pigs they are.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 01:29 PM (mpXpK)

8 We've got enough crime, we don't need to import it.

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 28, 2017 01:30 PM (ar2KI)

9 Not often I get to hang out with you guys. Thanks

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at March 28, 2017 01:30 PM (fdCO6)

10 Nothing in Federalism requires the Federal government to hand out money.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 28, 2017 01:30 PM (GgzGa)

11 8 We've got enough crime, we don't need to import it.
Posted by: pookysgirl at March 28, 2017 01:30 PM (ar2KI)

Maybe PDT can negotiate a better deal. /S

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 28, 2017 01:30 PM (mbhDw)

12 But this might be more bark than bite -- the feds' ability to force state law enforcement to enforce federal laws is limited.

No different than the 55 mph law. Do it or we pull funding.
Fed money HAS ALWAYS come with strings. ALWAYS.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 01:30 PM (4Utw1)

13 OK, I'm trying to track down and kill the autoplay that some of you guys are hearing when you load the main page. The RuPaul graphic is just a jpeg. What are you guys hearing, and how do you know it's coming from yesterday's morning thread? Thanks.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 28, 2017 01:31 PM (4C8M6)

14 Remember when Arizona couldn't make their own immigration law?

Posted by: Lord Sir x at March 28, 2017 01:31 PM (nFwvY)

15 Illegal Immigrants, because American Citizens won't rape those 3 year olds.

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 01:31 PM (iT57s)

16 Take all their federal highway funds too

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 28, 2017 01:31 PM (6Ll1u)

17 12
No different than the 55 mph law. Do it or we pull funding.
Fed money HAS ALWAYS come with strings. ALWAYS.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 01:30 PM (4Utw1)

Just like tampons. But it takes the will to pull it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 28, 2017 01:31 PM (mbhDw)

18 The rep for a local sanctuary city (in Maryland) was on the radio this morning, crying to the heavens that cities had a RIGHT to take in illegal aliens.

A RIGHT!

Unsurprisingly, this is a city that doesn't think you have A RIGHT to a firearm, but goddamn it if you're illegal you have a RIGHT to live in their town.

This is going to blow back on the Dems pretty good, I think. When the local LIV comes to see that the Dems care more about illegal alien RIGHTS than the safety and security of the citizens, there's going to be pushback.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 28, 2017 01:31 PM (tVWQB)

19 This sounds like a briar-patch situation. I'd prefer that we not have shitty immigrants at all, but if we must have them, I'd prefer that they aggregate in the cities...

Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 01:31 PM (Bdeb0)

20 What I don't understand is how Americans can file suits to stop Trump's travel ban EO, yet victims of illegal aliens who were allowed to live in sanctuary cities are not allowed to sue the authorities who refused to cooperate w/ICE to deport them.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 28, 2017 01:31 PM (NOIQH)

21 Nice Federal monster you got there.
Now, feed it.

Posted by: navybrat at March 28, 2017 01:31 PM (rnOcr)

22 Nothing in Federalism requires the Federal government to hand out money.
Posted by: weft cut-loop

Whomever had threadwinner at #10, please make your way to the parimutuel window to collect your winnings.

Thank you,
AoSHQ Bookie

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 01:32 PM (4Utw1)

23 According to noted idiot and media reporter Brian Stelter at CNN, this is nothing more than a local rape story which is why virtually no media outlet besides FOX covered it.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:32 PM (/tuJf)

24 I didn't go to law school so maybe I just don't understand, but what the hell does that mean, Ace? The feds cannot withhold federal funds... why?

Some STATE law trumps that??

That don't make no sense to me.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2017 01:32 PM (TOk1P)

25 I don't get it. big city Dems have enough "shit with feet" to keep them elected in perpetuity without letting in criminals. They don't need that as a buffer.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 28, 2017 01:32 PM (vRcUp)

26 "(Note that this does relate only to criminals - state law enforcement officials would not have non-criminal illegals in their custody.)"

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There is no such thing. They became criminals by definition when they came across the border illegally.

Posted by: Flyboy at March 28, 2017 01:33 PM (3g6nC)

27 Meh. DoJ grants. Big deal.

If you want to get California's attention? Deny their request for federal disaster relief for the infrastructure they don't maintain themselves that was damaged during the wet winter that the rest of our taxes are going to fix.

Just saying...

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 28, 2017 01:33 PM (t41dG)

28 Oh, to add...

These are DOJ grants and there are fewer roadblocks in place than if it were specifically obligated funds from a budget bill. There's more discretion involved, so really I think Sessions has a valid threat here.

And true, those sanctuary cities can raise their internal taxes to make up for the loss, but then we're back to the argument of "why am I paying more tax to cover illegal alien "rights...?"" And that isn't going to play very well, I think.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 28, 2017 01:33 PM (tVWQB)

29 And in the eleventh hour as the Morlock savages raped and ransacked the supine boroughs surrounding Washington DC, the Eloi elites cried piteously for relief. But there was none to give, for the Eloi had destroyed every Taarna because they loved their DREAMS. So all the Morlocks saw was a feast laid out before them, a limitless buffet.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 28, 2017 01:34 PM (n7RTy)

30 It's almost like the left has some kind of self destructive impulse.

Posted by: Max Power at March 28, 2017 01:34 PM (QCc6B)

31 Didn't Obama promise to "prioritize" deporting criminal illegals?

He lied.

Posted by: tu3031 at March 28, 2017 01:34 PM (qJhUV)

32 the feds' ability to force state law enforcement to enforce federal laws is limited.

I saw an article this morning that said SF gets a huge portion of its budget from the feds. I suspect that if Trump cuts off money to them and Detroit they will go bankrupt. This needed to be done anyway. After 8 years of the Choom feeding money to them they need a cut.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 01:34 PM (mpXpK)

33 The article linked to yesterday about the left's civil war points to the next thing they will do on this to stop Trump, the courts. They didnt spend years filling the courts with lockstep libs for nothing.

Posted by: MAGA at March 28, 2017 01:34 PM (A4HOq)

34 I think withholding Federal funds might eventually make them bend the knee, because all liberal-infested areas are perennially broke.

My favored approach: transport all criminal aliens to those sanctuary cities, and leave 'em to work their magic there. Overload resources there, make all the liberals there victims of their crimes, the lot.

Sort of a reverse Cloward-Piven.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 01:34 PM (SRKgf)

35 No different than the 55 mph law. Do it or we pull funding.
Fed money HAS ALWAYS come with strings. ALWAYS.

Repeated for emphasis. If they don't want/need Federal dollars? That's fine too.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 28, 2017 01:35 PM (u0s1P)

36 This is definitely a political winner for Trump, he needs a slump buster.

And I know "all polls are cooked", but they ALL seem to show the same movement downward for Trump.

I think a lot of people are pissed right now that we couldn't get health care done.

Just got my new quote for the year, it went up about 20%. Awesome.

Posted by: Maritime at March 28, 2017 01:35 PM (hofQS)

37 24 I didn't go to law school so maybe I just don't understand, but what the hell does that mean, Ace? The feds cannot withhold federal funds... why?

Some STATE law trumps that??

That don't make no sense to me.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 28, 2017 01:32 PM (TOk1P)

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The Medicaid expansion became optional because SCOTUS said the federal government couldn't cut off funds for a state not doing something.

It's not blanket, and I think there's a percentage amount of overall federal funding that gets taking into consideration (Medicaid funding was a very large percentage).

I just am the tiniest bit flabbergasted that pre-Civil War federal government could force states to return slaves to their masters but post-Civil War federal government can't force states to report illegal immigrants.

I'm probably missing some case law or something.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:36 PM (mC1ZI)

38 >>My favored approach: transport all criminal aliens to those sanctuary cities, and leave 'em to work their magic there. Overload resources there, make all the liberals there victims of their crimes, the lot.

Well I learned last night that sanctuary cities are actually safer than non-sanctuary cities. I know this because some liberal professor did a study.

The things you learn from liberals.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:36 PM (/tuJf)

39 There is no such thing as federalism when it comes to immigration. That's a federal function, not a state or local one. In fact, it has to be, once you think about it. If these mayors continue to let criminal illegals use their cities as bases of operation, the mayors themselves should be arrested.

Posted by: Jeffersonian at March 28, 2017 01:36 PM (+ttLq)

40 The legal means of enforcement are beyond my paygrade, as Obama would say.

But Sessions and Trump need to apply a full court press here, leaving no stone unturned. (1) It will be popular with anyone who is not a doctrinaire liberal and build credibility for Trump and Sessions (2) It shows sincerity in keeping an important campaign pledge (3) The left is on the losing side of this argument (4) It's the f'n law.

If someone was being legally evicted from a house for non-payment of rent and they still refused to leave, would the government sort of back down and let it slide because it offended some sensibilities, or would they send the constable to kick the deadbeat out?

Posted by: RM at March 28, 2017 01:36 PM (U3LtS)

41 It's infuriating that people pretend there are non-criminal illegal aliens.

If they're working, they're criminals.
If they're using any form of fake ID, they're criminals.
If they are helping other illegals, they're criminals.

And if anyone is helping them, they're committing a felony.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 28, 2017 01:36 PM (/f1mm)

42 What gives first - the desire for the money or the bravado?

I know which way I bet.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 28, 2017 01:36 PM (hLRSq)

43 Can't Trump also work to defund all of the various programs that Obama used to fuel his open borders? For example, I seem to recall that DHS was spending a lot of money to house illegal immigrant minors and transport them to the city of their choice. All kinds of associated costs, such as pubic schools, health care for illegals, etc. I would imagine there are a lot of ways to defund programs that enable sanctuary cities.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 28, 2017 01:37 PM (NOIQH)

44 Have sanctuary states, internally deport criminal illegals to those states. Hilarity ensues.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 28, 2017 01:37 PM (RD7QR)

45 The sanctuary cities are threatening to wage a fight in court

And if Trump picks the court they will lose.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 01:37 PM (mpXpK)

46 Just imagine the MSM firestorm when ICE starts deporting illegals wearing yoga pants.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 28, 2017 01:38 PM (B6OKy)

47
If the number that a ZeroHedge chart used for healthcare costs per person is valid - and based on GDP it certainly passes the test - let me put some numbers in your head...

$9, 500 per year per every man, woman, and child in the usa
Almost $800 per month for every man, woman, and child.

That is the cost. Who pays for illegal immigrants?

Check out the mirror chumps.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 28, 2017 01:38 PM (ZFUt7)

48 Here's what I don't understand. I get that states have the right to set laws. I don't see that cities do. We've had cities with these nonsensical laws for some time (like being a nuclear free zone). I get that the Lefty run states may not rein them in. But it seems to me that they only way they can get away with this is to make the entire state a sanctuary.

Posted by: notsothoreau at March 28, 2017 01:38 PM (5HBd1)

49 Oh, I think the Feds have more bite than expected. For instance, SNAP requires citizenship or legal residency and the Feds work with the states on running the programming. If a city declares itself a sanctuary city, I think the Feds could pull SNAP and claim the city has made it impossible to legally deliver SNAP.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 28, 2017 01:38 PM (J70i0)

50 If the states can't be compelled to enforce federal laws, well, things should go both ways. Are there any state laws that the federal government is in charge of enforcing?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 28, 2017 01:38 PM (KUaJL)

51
Well, if PDT started withholding transportation, infrastructure, Medicare, you-name-the-item from the individual seditious states, things might be different, no?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 28, 2017 01:38 PM (mbhDw)

52 I'd say Brian Stelter looks like a thumb with a face drawn on it (and he does!) but that would be an insult to thumbs with faces drawn on them.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at March 28, 2017 01:39 PM (ul9CR)

53 If you want to get California's attention? Deny
their request for federal disaster relief for the infrastructure they
don't maintain themselves that was damaged during the wet winter that
the rest of our taxes are going to fix.

Just saying...

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at March 28, 2017 01:33 PM (t41dG)
Cut Federal funding to universities as well. Cap the overhead rate, or alternatively hold up all Federal research grants. You know all those faculty you moved the earth to get? Gone. Never to return.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 01:39 PM (SRKgf)

54 It's almost like the left has some kind of self destructive impulse.

Posted by: Max Power at March 28, 2017 01:34 PM (QCc6B)

If by "self" you mean America, then yeah.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 28, 2017 01:39 PM (aMlLZ)

55 I would imagine there are a lot of ways to defund programs that enable sanctuary cities.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 28, 2017 01:37 PM (NOIQH)
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Well Congress will have to spend the rest of the year on tax cuts and maybe some work on health care/insurance which will also take up next year. Perhaps the next Congress can take some action.

Posted by: Undocumented at March 28, 2017 01:39 PM (SsblQ)

56 Meh. DoJ grants. Big deal.

If you want to get California's attention?

School monies. EBT. WIC. HUD.
Whatever is federal dollars paid/rebated to states.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 01:39 PM (4Utw1)

57 18 The rep for a local sanctuary city (in Maryland) was on the radio this morning, crying to the heavens that cities had a RIGHT to take in illegal aliens.

A RIGHT!

Unsurprisingly, this is a city that doesn't think you have A RIGHT to a firearm, but goddamn it if you're illegal you have a RIGHT to live in their town.

This is going to blow back on the Dems pretty good, I think. When the local LIV comes to see that the Dems care more about illegal alien RIGHTS than the safety and security of the citizens, there's going to be pushback.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 28, 2017 01:31 PM (tVWQB)

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We need to support PDJT outreach to the urban blacks. If we can peel off even 25%, or 33% of the black voting bloc, the Democrats will become a third party.

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 01:40 PM (iT57s)

58 If you like your illegal aliens, you can keep your illegal aliens----Shit that Barack Obama probably would have said if he wasn't a gutless left wing wonder bitch.

And Brian Stelter can burn in Hell, along with the rest of CNN.

They broke the news, and now no one can fix it.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....unfrozen caveman moron at March 28, 2017 01:40 PM (S6Pax)

59 But GOD FORBID that a State enforces federal immigration law against the wishes of the Executive.

Posted by: Don Obama at March 28, 2017 01:40 PM (QtQaN)

60 I love that they detained the rapey dreamer's dad.
Incentives matter.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 28, 2017 01:28 PM (NOIQH)

They seem to be targeting anyone who pops up in the public eye. I think it's a smart move.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 28, 2017 01:41 PM (J70i0)

61 If the states can't be compelled to enforce federal laws, well, things should go both ways.

Is bank robbery state or federal?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 01:41 PM (4Utw1)

62 59 But GOD FORBID that a State enforces federal immigration law against the wishes of the Executive.
Posted by: Don Obama at March 28, 2017 01:40 PM (QtQaN)

"I'm so fucking confused."

- - Jan Brewer

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 28, 2017 01:41 PM (mbhDw)

63 Aren't Illegal aliens by default criminals anyhow?

Posted by: USNtakim at March 28, 2017 01:41 PM (hMqvx)

64 Two things about the Feds power being limited here.

1. The Feds are not required to hand out money. Those aiding criminals now get nothing.

2. By aiding criminals commit and get away with crimes, aren't these America hating tyrants masquerading as politicians breaking the law and you know, AIDING criminal activity? There has to be some on the books consequence that can be enforced.

3. Libs force everyone to obey their damn wishes everywhere no matter what. Time to use the same damn playbook.

Ok I lied that's three.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 28, 2017 01:41 PM (72PAC)

65 Its who we are as Americans! It's who we are!

Posted by: Guy What Got Squashed In That Hilarious 80s Movie at March 28, 2017 01:42 PM (QtQaN)

66 59 But GOD FORBID that a State enforces federal immigration law against the wishes of the Executive.
Posted by: Don Obama at March 28, 2017 01:40 PM (QtQaN)

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Why does the law get so confusing? I have no idea...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:42 PM (mC1ZI)

67 Aren't Illegal aliens by default criminals anyhow?
Posted by: USNtakim at March 28, 2017 01:41 PM (hMqvx)

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Yep. See #26

Posted by: Flyboy at March 28, 2017 01:42 PM (3g6nC)

68 10 Nothing in Federalism requires the Federal government to hand out money.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 28, 2017 01:30 PM (GgzGa)

Yeah, I don't understand why the Federal Govt HAS to give States money. They don't have to. JEF was happy enough to withhold money from states that didn't bow and scrape enough- was it Tennessee that had that horrible flooding, but was never given Federal disaster aid? He was nasty like that.

In this case, withholding Fed money from states/cities that willingly break the law by offering sanctuary to criminals doesn't seem petty or nasty. But I guess if you think breaking the law because "dreamers" is okay, it would seem that way.

But when I did something wrong, my parents sure withheld my allowance. I guess that particular lesson has gone the way of unsupervised play outside.

Posted by: moki at March 28, 2017 01:42 PM (wuzmq)

69 We need to slam the door on new arrivals and evict a hell of a lot already here.

Posted by: Eromero at March 28, 2017 01:42 PM (zLDYs)

70 We need to support PDJT outreach to the urban
blacks. If we can peel off even 25%, or 33% of the black voting bloc,
the Democrats will become a third party.

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 01:40 PM (iT57s)
We shouldn't call them illegal aliens. We should call them "alternative workers to blacks."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 01:43 PM (SRKgf)

71 use the power of the executive branch...

simply refuse to disburse the funds, then return them to the Treasury at the end of the fiscal year...

blame it on "studies", "audits" and "process reviews", etc...

not a punishment, just bureaucracy at w*rk.

then tell them to "suck it" when they whine...

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 28, 2017 01:43 PM (snWFW)

72 This might be one of those times we regret federalism.

As a rule, I want as much as possible at the local level. But if you're going to openly defy federal law and extend protections to known, unapologetic criminals, then the whole might of FedGov should come down on you like the wrath of God. Arrest the governor, perp-walk the mayors, strip the city councilors of legal immunity - metaphorically bomb the bastards back to the Stone Age.

But as I said on the morning thread, talk is cheap. Come see me when Macho Marty Walsh is being dragged out of Boston city hall by a big set of ICE clamps on his scrotum.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2017 01:43 PM (X6fMO)

73 good morning ace, hope you are feeling better.

Posted by: simplemind at March 28, 2017 01:44 PM (xVRrG)

74 68 Yeah, I don't understand why the Federal Govt HAS to give States money. They don't have to. JEF was happy enough to withhold money from states that didn't bow and scrape enough- was it Tennessee that had that horrible flooding, but was never given Federal disaster aid? He was nasty like that.

In this case, withholding Fed money from states/cities that willingly break the law by offering sanctuary to criminals doesn't seem petty or nasty. But I guess if you think breaking the law because "dreamers" is okay, it would seem that way.

But when I did something wrong, my parents sure withheld my allowance. I guess that particular lesson has gone the way of unsupervised play outside.
Posted by: moki at March 28, 2017 01:42 PM (wuzmq)

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The idea is compulsion, which SCOTUS looks down upon, and is the reason the Medicaid expansion became optional.

That's different from impeding federal law.

It'd be curious to see how it plays out.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:44 PM (mC1ZI)

75 Wasn't it just a year or so ago that all of these same people were attacking NC over making state-level decisions regarding their gay bathrooms?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 28, 2017 01:44 PM (/f1mm)

76 The "doubling down" will end when someone calls their bluff and stops the flow of $ to them.

Posted by: RM at March 28, 2017 01:45 PM (U3LtS)

77 Not often I get to hang out with you guys. Thanks

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at March 28, 2017 01:30 PM (fdCO6)

Why's that?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2017 01:45 PM (X6fMO)

78 I'm not so sure that the feds lose in court. After the 9th Circuit, that 9th Circuit, ruled against Arizona and said that federal immigration law trumps state and the Supreme Court upheld it, the states seem to be in a pretty weak position here.

This might be a great example of the left hoisting themselves on their own petard.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:45 PM (/tuJf)

79 They'll judge shop to find some judge to force the Feds to keep sending them money.

Posted by: josephistan at March 28, 2017 01:45 PM (7HtZB)

80 14 Remember when Arizona couldn't make their own immigration law?
Posted by: Lord Sir x at March 28, 2017 01:31 PM (nFwvY)
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No, because that never happened.

AZ simply tried to enforce existing federal immigration laws, and that's what the courts shut down.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 01:46 PM (riF5p)

81 What are you guys hearing, and how do you know it's coming from yesterday's morning thread? Thanks.

Ummm, it was the "breaking bad" parody that JJ announced in morning links. Might wanna ask him about it.
Plays audio with my usual browser and the only way to kill it is for me to hit mute on my laptop.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 28, 2017 01:46 PM (tTTfk)

82 If this is the big issue in the next election, Republicans will win bigly.

If Democrats want to throw their lot in with Sanctuary Cities, they will lose even more blue states.

Posted by: Maritime at March 28, 2017 01:46 PM (hofQS)

83 *pauses*

Since the Maryland case revolves around schools, drive the Libtards truly batty. Use the Dept of Education SWAT unit to make the arrests.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 28, 2017 01:46 PM (n7RTy)

84 75 Wasn't it just a year or so ago that all of these same people were attacking NC over making state-level decisions regarding their gay bathrooms?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 28, 2017 01:44 PM (/f1mm)

Shut up!! That's different!! They are evil haters!!!

-some dumbass leftist with a man bun or hairy armpits.

Posted by: moki at March 28, 2017 01:47 PM (wuzmq)

85 >>If we can peel off even 25%, or 33% of the black voting bloc,
the Democrats will become a third party.
Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 01:40 PM (iT57s)

The price of cultivating/keeping that constituency probably outweighs the benefit. Let's just start stuffing ballot boxes and getting the Russians to electronically sabotage Democratic candidates instead.

Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 01:47 PM (Bdeb0)

86 So states and cities have a Constitutional right to get federal funds?

Posted by: OCBill at March 28, 2017 01:48 PM (df+Zi)

87 Ah, just let us keep our criminals.

Think of it like evolution -- human-ecosystem evolution.

If liberal stronghold urban center insist on being overrun by illegal immigrants, then the following people will flee said urban centers:

-- working-class Americans who want jobs
-- upper-class Americans who want to avoid crime
-- patriotic/conservative Americans who disapprove of flagrant law-breaking just on principle.

So the end result will be that all the hardworking and well-off and law-abiding people will tend to flee the big cities...leading to big cities becoming even MORE of a cesspit than they currently are. And then more people will flee. (Similar to the collapse of Detroit starting in the '70s.)

In this way, national ecosystem evolution will lead to the creation of Urban Progressive Hellholes, while all the sane people have fled to the Suburban Paradises and Small-Town Utopias and Rural Dreamscapes.

Fine. Live in your hellholes, libs.

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2017 01:48 PM (DQ4Fv)

88 This might be one of those times we regret federalism.

Federalism doesn't apply to an invasion.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 28, 2017 01:48 PM (zc3Db)

89 >>AZ simply tried to enforce existing federal immigration laws, and that's what the courts shut down.

Ironically, what the Justice Department argued under Obama was that the states have no right to develop individual laws dealing with immigration and that federal law ruled. The courts upheld this view.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:48 PM (/tuJf)

90 Well I learned last night that sanctuary cities are
actually safer than non-sanctuary cities. I know this because some
liberal professor did a study.

The things you learn from liberals.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:36 PM (/tuJf)

Then the liberals will be pleased when we send a whole shitload of illegal aliens to their little corner of paradise. It'll be even safer then, right? And they won't need DoJ grants, because there won't be much crime, right?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 01:48 PM (SRKgf)

91 The guy the New York Daily News tries to present in a favorable light is
an illegal who was arrested by ICE at a court appearance for
misdemeanor assault, who has a "long rap sheet" in addition.
***
Assaulting those Americans won't beat up.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 28, 2017 01:49 PM (eSx+E)

92 @77
Mostly working when all the interesting posts are made.
My virtual friends.

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at March 28, 2017 01:49 PM (fdCO6)

93 The idea is compulsion, which SCOTUS looks down upon, and is the reason the Medicaid expansion became optional.

That's different from impeding federal law.

It'd be curious to see how it plays out.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:44 PM (mC1ZI)

If compulsion is bad, it's because it's something the federal government shouldn't be doing in the first place. That doesn't apply here because immigration laws pretty clearly aren't something that you can be set at the state level in the first place.

I don't see how that applies here. It's not like we don't think immigration laws should be done at the federal level. Well, maybe leftists do now, idk.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 28, 2017 01:49 PM (KUaJL)

94 >>They seem to be targeting anyone who pops up in the public eye. I think it's a smart move.

Exactly. Like that college student Guatemalan illegal who held a press conference w/her immigration lawyer - ICE arrested her after she left the event. She had gotten a visa through Obama's DREAMER EO, but had let it expire.

I am OK with people who openly flout our immigration laws being put at the top of the "Needs Deporting Now" list. Can only imagine how this influences the behavior of other illegals - fleeing to Canada, going home, making an effort to not break any additional laws/draw LE attention...

Posted by: Lizzy at March 28, 2017 01:49 PM (NOIQH)

95 AZ simply tried to enforce existing federal immigration laws, and that's what the courts shut down.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer

_____________

And most of it was just turning them over to federal authorities

Sort of like if state cops came across a currency counterfeiting operation, even though that is a federal law and not state law, it would be standard procedure to turn them over to the right agency.

Posted by: Maritime at March 28, 2017 01:49 PM (hofQS)

96 I just am the tiniest bit flabbergasted that pre-Civil War federal government could force states to return slaves to their masters but post-Civil War federal government can't force states to report illegal immigrants.

I'm probably missing some case law or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:36 PM (mC1ZI)

Fugitive Slave Clause in the Constitution required it. But yeah, since the Feds have absolute say on immigration, I think this would be a slam dunk. Of course the courts a corrupt.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 28, 2017 01:49 PM (J70i0)

97 This really shouldn't even be noticeable by these cities since it's the blue states that are the big welfare drains on federal tax dollars, right?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 28, 2017 01:50 PM (/f1mm)

98
The idea is compulsion, which SCOTUS looks down upon, and is the reason the Medicaid expansion became optional.

That's different from impeding federal law.

It'd be curious to see how it plays out.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:44 PM (mC1ZI)

So compulsion when it's forcing people to buy a product they don't necessarily want ( Obamacare) is okay by SCOTUS, but withholding federal monies from cities that willingly break federal law with regards to illegal immigrants is not.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic towards you-it's hard to write tone- but I am befuddled by the mental gymnastics that are required to understand how current policy is made.

Posted by: moki at March 28, 2017 01:50 PM (wuzmq)

99 86 So states and cities have a Constitutional right to get federal funds?
Posted by: OCBill at March 28, 2017 01:48 PM (df+Zi)

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They have a right not to be told what to do by the federal government. Withholding legally provided funds is seen as coercion. If the state is legally eligible for funds, and the federal government prevents them from receiving those funds in order to force the states to perform an action, that goes against federalism.

I don't know how this concept works when a state outright refuses to help in immigration and even promises to work against the federal government in terms of immigration enforcement.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:50 PM (mC1ZI)

100 Fake News from our side, "courtesy" of Newsbusters. And it's just so pointless to do this:

CNN's Rye: Obama Was Next Best Thing to Jesus

No. That's not at all what she said. Her words, CLEARLY, if one reads the transcript, was that "Obama had to be the next best thing to Jesus" or the media would have attacked him for his lies. (Such as "If you like your doctor...????)

See how that sentence changes when we add "...had to be..." which were her, well, actual words?

And it is a farcical statement in and of itself. No need for the Fake News headline, Newsbusters. The truth was mock-worthy enough.

Could we PLEASE leave the Fake News to the left?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at March 28, 2017 01:50 PM (ul9CR)

101 79 They'll judge shop to find some judge to force the Feds to keep sending them money.
Posted by: josephistan at March 28, 2017 01:45 PM (7HtZB)

How many divisions does a judge have?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 01:50 PM (SRKgf)

102 If compulsion is bad, it's because it's something the federal government shouldn't be doing in the first place.

Like forcing you to buy insurance?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 01:51 PM (4Utw1)

103 Trump winning is the only reason we're having this conversation, right?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 28, 2017 01:52 PM (/f1mm)

104 It's not that they're desperate to keep their criminals, it's that they're desperate to keep their slave-labor force.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 28, 2017 01:52 PM (UBzPO)

105 Like forcing you to buy insurance?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 01:51 PM (4Utw1)

That's different because healthcare is a right or something.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 28, 2017 01:52 PM (KUaJL)

106 If the state is legally eligible for funds
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:50 PM (mC1ZI)
If.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 01:52 PM (SRKgf)

107 Come see me when Macho Marty Walsh is being dragged out of Boston city hall by a big set of ICE clamps on his scrotum.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2017 01:43 PM

Don't tease....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 28, 2017 01:52 PM (p+Wdc)

108 Ironically, what the Justice Department argued under Obama was that the states have no right to develop individual laws dealing with immigration and that federal law ruled. The courts upheld this view.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:48 PM (/tuJf)

It was worse than that. The courts (and Barky) allied with Mexico and decided that Arizona was not allowed to even alert the feds of the presence of illegals since doing such would give the feds too much work to do and that the feds were allowed to decide when and if any federal laws would be enforced - at the whim of the Precedent.

This is another instance where the judges and federal appointees involved all should have been impeached (with no concern for whether they would be convicted or not, but to do the right thing).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 28, 2017 01:52 PM (zc3Db)

109 98 So compulsion when it's forcing people to buy a product they don't necessarily want ( Obamacare) is okay by SCOTUS, but withholding federal monies from cities that willingly break federal law with regards to illegal immigrants is not.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic towards you-it's hard to write tone- but I am befuddled by the mental gymnastics that are required to understand how current policy is made.
Posted by: moki at March 28, 2017 01:50 PM (wuzmq)

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I never said it made a lot of sense.

I don't think it does, but that's the line of thinking.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:53 PM (mC1ZI)

110 If the state is legally eligible for funds

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:50 PM (mC1ZI)

So an executive order?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 28, 2017 01:53 PM (/f1mm)

111 >>It's not that they're desperate to keep their criminals, it's that they're desperate to keep their slave-labor force.

And voters.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 28, 2017 01:53 PM (NOIQH)

112 How many divisions does a judge have?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 01:50 PM (SRKgf)

A judge doesn't need divisions if you're too cowardly to punch back.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 28, 2017 01:53 PM (X6fMO)

113 No. That's not at all what she said. Her words, CLEARLY, if one reads the transcript, was that "Obama had to be the next best thing to Jesus" or the media would have attacked him for his lies.

See how that sentence changes when we add "...had to be..." which were her, well, actual words?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat?

Isn't her words "had to be OR"?

And was he? No?

Statement stands.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 01:54 PM (4Utw1)

114 It's all over but the shouting.

The civil war is entering stage two. Civil authorities are publicly refusing to follow valid Federal law. Not vowing to challenge it in the Courts or to write laws offering additional state protections for that class of people. The Feds are indicating they will punish by turning off the money flow. However, when a major American city goes bankrupt, who bails them out? That's right, the Feds. The rule of law is a zombie. Its dead, but it is still walking around like its alive. It isn't. Its De-ad (two syllables) that really dead.

Posted by: simplemind at March 28, 2017 01:54 PM (xVRrG)

115 106 If the state is legally eligible for funds
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:50 PM (mC1ZI)
If.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 01:52 PM (SRKgf)

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Exactly.

That's for the courts to decide if a state is actively impeding federal law whether they are still legally qualified.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:54 PM (mC1ZI)

116
OK, I'm trying to track down and kill the autoplay that some of you guys are hearing when you load the main page. The RuPaul graphic is just a jpeg. What are you guys hearing, and how do you know it's coming from yesterday's morning thread? Thanks.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 28, 2017 01:31 PM (4C8M6)
__________________________

Once you find it,, could you replace it with life time achievement award speech? It's really special...

Posted by: Chelsey Clinton at March 28, 2017 01:55 PM (HSmrB)

117 114 However, when a major American city goes bankrupt,
who bails them out? That's right, the Feds. The rule of law is a
zombie. Its dead, but it is still walking around like its alive. It
isn't. Its De-ad (two syllables) that really dead.

Posted by: simplemind at March 28, 2017 01:54 PM (xVRrG)

Not if he cuts off ALL federal dollars.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 01:55 PM (mpXpK)

118 I'm not so sure that the feds lose in court. After the 9th Circuit, that 9th Circuit, ruled against Arizona and said that federal immigration law trumps state and the Supreme Court upheld it, the states seem to be in a pretty weak position here.

This might be a great example of the left hoisting themselves on their own petard.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:45 PM (/tuJf)

I'll have some of what you're smoking. Lib judges don't care about the law. They only care about the result they want.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at March 28, 2017 01:55 PM (J70i0)

119 A man was shot by an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent in the Belmont Cragin neighborhood Monday morning, the agency said.

A spokesman for ICE said that ICE Homeland Security Investigations agents were attempting to arrest a person when a second person pointed a weapon toward the agents and as a result, an agent fired his gun and wounded the man.

"My dad doesn't got no guns. My dad just went to see what's going on and that's why they shot him. He just opened the door and they shot him," Torres said.

He doesn't got no guns. Is that Spanish for Dindu Nuffin? Of course Chicago and Illinois politicians are making a big political stink about this

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 01:55 PM (493sH)

120
I never said it made a lot of sense.

I don't think it does, but that's the line of thinking.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:53 PM (mC1ZI)

Okay.

I honestly have no idea how liberal brains work. It's as if they are completely different from normal thinking people.

Could dropping a baby on its head cause that kind of mental redirection?

Posted by: moki at March 28, 2017 01:56 PM (wuzmq)

121 MPPPP, just saw your post about a page and a half of writing. Good for you!

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 28, 2017 01:56 PM (n7RTy)

122 >>They have a right not to be told what to do by the federal government.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. They only have the right when it infringes on the rights delegated to the states by the Constitution.

Immigration law has been specifically granted to the federal government through a couple pieces of legislation and it has been upheld more than once by the Supreme Court. If a state tries to institute a policy in conflict they always lose.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:56 PM (/tuJf)

123 I won't Drive

55!!!

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 28, 2017 01:56 PM (yIPKR)

124 122 >>They have a right not to be told what to do by the federal government.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. They only have the right when it infringes on the rights delegated to the states by the Constitution.

Immigration law has been specifically granted to the federal government through a couple pieces of legislation and it has been upheld more than once by the Supreme Court. If a state tries to institute a policy in conflict they always lose.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:56 PM (/tuJf)

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"Hold my beer."
-Sonia Sotomayor

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:57 PM (mC1ZI)

125 "My dad doesn't got no guns. My dad just went to see what's going on and that's why they shot him. He just opened the door and they shot him," Torres said.
-

Think of the lengths they went through with Obama's uhs and ums. Imagine what Torres actually said if this is what they cleaned up and edited for release.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 28, 2017 01:57 PM (/f1mm)

126 They have a right not to be told what to do by the federal government. Withholding legally provided funds is seen as coercion.
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Yes, but they've okayed plenty of that in the past. Like the 55 mph speed rule. The feds used the threat of withholding federal highway money as a means to force states to go along with that.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 01:57 PM (riF5p)

127 I'll have some of what you're smoking. Lib judges don't care about the law. They only care about the result they want.
Posted by: WOPR

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Eventually they will twist themselves into the knot where neither state nor the federal government is allowed to enforce any immigration laws.

But lucky for us, the judges will make some new laws where they will get to decide instead.

Posted by: Maritime at March 28, 2017 01:57 PM (hofQS)

128 126 Yes, but they've okayed plenty of that in the past. Like the 55 mph speed rule. The feds used the threat of withholding federal highway money as a means to force states to go along with that.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 01:57 PM (riF5p)

===============

I thought that died in court.

Or was it another way?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:58 PM (mC1ZI)

129 So, why should any of us obey any laws?

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at March 28, 2017 01:58 PM (N6MZz)

130 simplemind at March 28, 2017 01:54 PM (xVRrG)

Not if he cuts off ALL federal dollars.
========================

Feds are still going to pay. Like for example pension guarantees etc. Its the law already.

Posted by: simplemind at March 28, 2017 01:58 PM (xVRrG)

131 126 Yes, but they've okayed plenty of that in the past.
Like the 55 mph speed rule. The feds used the threat of withholding
federal highway money as a means to force states to go along with that.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 01:57 PM (riF5p)

And they did, I think MT has still got its highway funds cut off.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (mpXpK)

132 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (GwIKd)

133 Ummm, it was the "breaking bad" parody that JJ announced in morning links. Might wanna ask him about it.
Plays audio with my usual browser and the only way to kill it is for me to hit mute on my laptop.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 28, 2017 01:46 PM (tTTfk)

OK, now I feel like an idiot. Because I don't see anything in Sefton's links either today or yesterday about a Breaking Bad parody.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (4C8M6)

134 Yes, but they've okayed plenty of that in the past. Like the 55 mph speed rule. The feds used the threat of withholding federal highway money as a means to force states to go along with that.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer

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Basically every state was forced to adopt a 21 year old drinking age law over highway funding.

Very easy to do and has established precedence, problem is, my guess is Republican Congressman in blue states won't go along.

Posted by: Maritime at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (hofQS)

135 The thinking of the Left is so dogmatic that it often leads to absolutely silly, even outrageous outcomes.

Defending the inalienable right of violent Illegal Aliens to remain here is one.

Trump/Sessions will win the PR war on this point, which will help win the larger fight over Illegal Immigration.

If it bleeds, it leads. Media won't be able to stop themselves from covering horrific stories of Illegal Alien crimes, and there will be many to write about including because of the barbarity of gangs.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (SIY7D)

136 >>"Hold my beer."
-Sonia Sotomayor

Now that would require some mental gymnastics seeing as how she voted against Arizona's right to develop immigration laws.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (/tuJf)

137 Feds are still going to pay. Like for example pension guarantees etc. Its the law already.
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I amuse my self. "law" the law is dead. It'll be a free for all by this time next year.

Posted by: simplemind at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (xVRrG)

138 Yes, but they've okayed plenty of that in the past. Like the 55 mph speed rule. The feds used the threat of withholding federal highway money as a means to force states to go along with that.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 01:57 PM (riF5p)

Or the drinking age.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (zc3Db)

139 103 Trump winning is the only reason we're having this conversation, right?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 28, 2017 01:52 PM (/f1mm)

If Hillary won, we would be discussing the Show Trials of Trump, Cruz, and the kulaks.

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 02:00 PM (iT57s)

140 134
Basically every state was forced to adopt a 21 year old drinking age law over highway funding.

Very easy to do and has established precedence, problem is, my guess is Republican Congressman in blue states won't go along.
Posted by: Maritime at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (hofQS)

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I thought the ACA SCOTUS ruling said that federal funding over a certain threshold was no longer kosher?

If that's still the case, then I suppose it depends on how much of a budget hit the individual cities and states would see from the DOJ action.

I guess. I'm no lawyer.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:01 PM (mC1ZI)

141 136 >>"Hold my beer."
-Sonia Sotomayor
Now that would require some mental gymnastics seeing as how she voted against Arizona's right to develop immigration laws.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (/tuJf)

Deport her ass too.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 02:01 PM (SRKgf)

142 The Feds cut off Wyoming hyway funds over the 21yo drinking age back in the 80's

Posted by: Yo! at March 28, 2017 02:01 PM (GwIKd)

143 139 103 Trump winning is the only reason we're having this conversation, right?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 28, 2017 01:52 PM (/f1mm)

If Hillary won, we would be discussing the Show Trials of Trump, Cruz, and the kulaks.
Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 02:00 PM (iT57s)

As someone fairly vocal about the global warming scam of all scams, I'd already be in jail.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 28, 2017 02:01 PM (72PAC)

144 "Hold my beer."
-Sonia Sotomayor

Now that would require some mental gymnastics seeing as how she voted against Arizona's right to develop immigration laws.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (/tuJf)

Like that would stop her

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 02:01 PM (493sH)

145 Yes, but they've okayed plenty of that in the past. Like the 55 mph speed rule. The feds used the threat of withholding federal highway money as a means to force states to go along with that.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 01:57 PM (riF5p)

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They also used it for a National legal drinking age of 21.

Posted by: Flyboy at March 28, 2017 02:01 PM (3g6nC)

146 136 >>"Hold my beer."
-Sonia Sotomayor

Now that would require some mental gymnastics seeing as how she voted against Arizona's right to develop immigration laws.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (/tuJf)

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"Hold my shots, too."
-Sonia Sotomayor

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:02 PM (mC1ZI)

147 I have an idea that just might motivate the mayors of those cities.

Don't put any new money on the EBT cards for folks living in those zip-codes.

Posted by: JAS at March 28, 2017 02:02 PM (lcylG)

148 Yes, but they've okayed plenty of that in the past.
Like the 55 mph speed rule. The feds used the threat of withholding
federal highway money as a means to force states to go along with that.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 01:57 PM (riF5p)

Louisiana was the last state to raise the drinking age to 21 because the feds were withholding federal highway matching funds for so long the roads were crumbling. I turned 21 three weeks after the law changed and remember it well. Longest three weeks of my life.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 28, 2017 02:02 PM (UBzPO)

149 If Hillary won, we would be discussing the Show Trials of Trump, Cruz, and the kulaks.
======================
If Hillary had won, the only reason AOS HQ would still be up and running now is so they could use it as a trap to identify more bitter clingers and later ship them off to happy fun camp all at once.

Posted by: simplemind at March 28, 2017 02:02 PM (xVRrG)

150 >>>Well Congress will have to spend the rest of the year on tax cuts and maybe some work on health care/insurance which will also take up next year.

What is the timeline on a congressional year? When does the cycle begin and end?

Posted by: Max Power at March 28, 2017 02:02 PM (QCc6B)

151 They must have restored it. MT is complaining about the funding.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 02:02 PM (mpXpK)

152 Isn't Obama's uncle a criminal alien? He had a felony DWI. His Aunt is also here illegally and a welfare cheat to boot.

Posted by: noone at March 28, 2017 02:01 PM (T49db)

Various courts decided to let both stay here, even though they had skipped deportation orders and the uncle loved to drink and drive and crash his car (just like Barky's polygamist dad) while Auntie Zetuni was likely guilty of some sort of fraud for being ordered deported but living in some sort of public housing.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 28, 2017 02:02 PM (zc3Db)

153 If it bleeds, it leads. Media won't be able to
stop themselves from covering horrific stories of Illegal Alien crimes,
and there will be many to write about including because of the barbarity
of gangs.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (SIY7D)
True, but they'll withhold the small but noticeable fact that the perps were illegal aliens. Just like they withhold the race of a perp is he's black."Police are looking for a man wearing a t-shirt and jeans."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 02:03 PM (SRKgf)

154
...ship them off to happy fun camp all at once.

Camps?! Did somebody say camps? We're all going into Trumo's camps!

-- Sally Kohn's hypersensitive antennae

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 28, 2017 02:04 PM (v1g1+)

155 What is the timeline on a congressional year? When does the cycle begin and end?
Posted by: Max Power at March 28, 2017 02:02 PM (QCc6B)

I believe it begins on April 1 2:30 pm and ends April 2 12:03 am.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at March 28, 2017 02:04 PM (72PAC)

156
Stupid and dumb.

Warn the mayors that they will be CHARGED AS ACCESSORIES to all crimes committed by the criminals they are aiding and abetting.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 28, 2017 02:04 PM (4Ejxg)

157
I thought that died in court.

Or was it another way?
_________________________

It was repealed by congress in 1995 (in the National Highway System Designation Act).

But many of the western states had already taken the teeth out of it by doing things such as reducing speeding fines to $5.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 02:04 PM (riF5p)

158 Every news organization in the country is pumping out story after story about how every single illegal arrested and deported is a wonderful family person who has been here for years and its their home and yadda yadda. Its pathetic.

EVERY criminal has family, has a home, doesn't want to be punished. Every criminal's kids suffer when they are jailed. Every criminal's family is hurt when they are prosecuted. That's on the criminal, not the justice system.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:04 PM (39g3+)

159 147 I have an idea that just might motivate the mayors of those cities.
Don't put any new money on the EBT cards for folks living in those zip-codes.
Posted by: JAS at March 28, 2017 02:02 PM (lcylG)

That's a good idea just in general.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 02:04 PM (SRKgf)

160 Don't put any new money on the EBT cards for folks living in those zip-codes.
Posted by: JAS

I like how you think and sincerely hope you don't live within rioting distance of affected zip codes.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 28, 2017 02:04 PM (ZFUt7)

161 Cut federal funds for food stamps and medicare. If the state or city can't verify identity of participants in the programs, then cut the money.

Audit the hell out these cities.

Audits hurt like hell.

Have any of you ever spent 15 minutes with an auditor?

They will comply.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 28, 2017 02:04 PM (4AVeu)

162
This sanctuary bullshit will not cease until the politicians are held legally responsible for the crimes committed by their illegals.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 28, 2017 02:05 PM (4Ejxg)

163
"Police are looking for a man wearing a t-shirt and jeans."

Who may or may not have a penis.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 28, 2017 02:05 PM (v1g1+)

164 >>Sotomayor...Deport her ass too. Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 02:01 PM (SRKgf)

From the House floor, during the next SOTU. By ICE agents. With Trump ad-libbing in mid-speech "...get her outta here. Outta here!"

Let's get this ON.

Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 02:06 PM (Bdeb0)

165
Believe me, as soon as the first mayor is arrested and charged and liable for civil lawsuits by the victim, this sanctuary shit will end.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 28, 2017 02:06 PM (4Ejxg)

166 They also used it for a National legal drinking age of 21.
___________________

And motorcycle helmet laws.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 02:06 PM (riF5p)

167
EVERY criminal has

A MOM! A... MOM... I tell you!

Why do you hate Moms?!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 28, 2017 02:07 PM (v1g1+)

168 Believe me, as soon as the first mayor is arrested and charged and liable for civil lawsuits by the victim, this sanctuary shit will end.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 28, 2017 02:06 PM (4Ejxg)

Oh please make it Rahm Emmanuel

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 02:07 PM (493sH)

169 Could we PLEASE leave the Fake News to the left?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at March 28, 2017 01:50 PM (ul9CR)

That would remove the necessary Outrage intensifier, which as everyone knows, is crucial to the continued functioning of the internet.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 28, 2017 02:07 PM (hLRSq)

170 Every news organization in the country is pumping out story after story
about how every single illegal arrested and deported is a wonderful
family person who has been here for years and its their home and yadda
yadda. Its pathetic.

They did the same thing re homosexuals. Lance and Bruce were just starstruck lovers, wanting to proclaim their love to all the world, and they'd been together for decades, continually redecorating their quaint little house with the white picket fence, and they held hands while being interviewed.

No mention of the disgusting doings at the Folsom Street Fair, or Up Your Alley, as covered by our own intrepid zombie.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 02:07 PM (SRKgf)

171 "Hold my beer."
-Sonia Sotomayor
Now that would require some mental gymnastics seeing as how she voted against Arizona's right to develop immigration laws.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 01:59 PM (/tuJf)

Well, these are the guys who voted unanimously for Gorush's appointment to the appellate court. So get ready for some impressive backflips and quadruple lutzes.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 28, 2017 02:07 PM (4C8M6)

172
Have any of you ever spent 15 minutes with an auditor?

They will comply.
===============
The difference between you and them is an uncrossable gulf. You are a man of reason and logic.

They will bear their suffering as a sign of personal virtue and will drag it out, even if it destroys the city they are supposed to be administering. Its not about anything other than virtue signaling. They would volunteer to blow themselves up, if they were muslims.

Posted by: simplemind at March 28, 2017 02:07 PM (xVRrG)

173 I turned 21 three weeks after the law changed and remember it well. Longest three weeks of my life.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans�

You waited until you were actually 21?

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 28, 2017 02:08 PM (ZFUt7)

174 --
"Police are looking for a man wearing a t-shirt and jeans."

Who may or may not have a penis.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 28, 2017 02:05 PM---------and may have just won a female sports competition.

Posted by: irright at March 28, 2017 02:08 PM (pMGkg)

175 ."Police are looking for a man wearing a t-shirt and jeans."
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Hello officers, What's ap?

Posted by: G at March 28, 2017 02:08 PM (SsblQ)

176 I wish there was a way to go after the politicians creating Sanctuary cities directly. Its not enough to cut off their funds, they'll just raise taxes on their own to cover the short-fall. You have to criminalize what they are doing. Threaten them with jail and crippling fines.
Oh, here's a good one: promise Tax amnesty to anyone living in those jurisdictions, as their leaders aren't obeying the constitution. Yeah the Feds can't really do it, but imagine the libtards heads exploding when its proposed.

Posted by: Iblis at March 28, 2017 02:09 PM (9221z)

177 About the 14-year old rape victim. I saw this morning that someone has leaked items from her phone that suggest "she asked for it."

It's going to get harder for Leftists to keep their pieties without creating indefensible priorities, no?

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 28, 2017 02:09 PM (SIY7D)

178 This is simple. Arrest the trash on 8 USC 1324 felony charges. End of story.

We don't DEMAND that the law be followed, we don't confront subversion, we don't play hardball with the Left or the globalists, and then we wonder why corruption and tyranny have become so commonplace in our systems.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at March 28, 2017 02:09 PM (swEzU)

179 >>Well, these are the guys who voted unanimously for Gorush's appointment to the appellate court. So get ready for some impressive backflips and quadruple lutzes.

Oh yea. Not only did she vote against Arizona, she was the most vocal critic when the case got to SC. I have no doubt she would do a triple lindy to flip flop on her own ruling because liberal.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 02:09 PM (/tuJf)

180 The Feds don't have a right to force states take actions not expressly stated in the Constitution (fact but ignored with legalese) . That said, The Fed is constitutionally tasked with immigration enforcement thus are within their right to have States comply or face the consequences.

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 28, 2017 02:09 PM (yIPKR)

181
No mention of the disgusting doings at the Folsom Street Fair, or Up Your Alley, as covered by our own intrepid zombie.

Yo!

-- the scrotum inflating guy

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 28, 2017 02:09 PM (v1g1+)

182 I wish there was a way to go after the politicians creating Sanctuary cities directly

There probably is, but they look sinister. Frog marching the Mayor of San Francisco into an ICE van seems very tyrannical.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:10 PM (39g3+)

183 About the 14-year old rape victim. I saw this morning that someone has leaked items from her phone that suggest "she asked for it."
===================

Age of consent? Not 14, well was it in Kentucky?

Posted by: simplemind at March 28, 2017 02:10 PM (xVRrG)

184 This sanctuary bullshit will not cease until the
politicians are held legally responsible for the crimes committed by
their illegals.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 28, 2017 02:05 PM (4Ejxg)
Civil liability - PERSONAL civic liability, since they broke the law and thus were not acting under color of law - might be the key (much like the situation that obtains with cops who break the law, IIRC) might just be the key.
Haul the mayor, city council, and chief of police of SF into court to answer to the estate of Kate Steinle. Break them financially - personally - and watch enthusiasm for sanctuary shit drop through the floor.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 02:10 PM (SRKgf)

185
The scrotum inflating guy brought new meaning to the phrase "air ball(s)".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 28, 2017 02:10 PM (v1g1+)

186 Democrats in commitee: let's delay this Gorsuch guy a week
Schumer today: what's with the delays, Republicans, we need justice!

That guy is such a douche

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:11 PM (39g3+)

187 About the 14-year old rape victim. I saw this morning that someone has leaked items from her phone that suggest "she asked for it."

It's going to get harder for Leftists to keep their pieties without creating indefensible priorities, no?

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 28, 2017 02:09 PM (SIY7D)

I heard that one too. She texted one of the rapists saying she wanted to have sex with him. Odd how we have to believe ever woman who says she's raped without question unless it hurts the agenda

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 02:11 PM (493sH)

188 I saw this morning that someone has leaked items from her phone that suggest "she asked for it."

That is the defense attorney's entire line: she wanted it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:11 PM (39g3+)

189 About the 14-year old rape victim. I saw this morning that someone has leaked items from her phone that suggest "she asked for it."

**hic**

You ever seen a 14 year old? Little tramps, all of them. Wide open as the Mexican border! Lemme put the little roundheel on the witness stand - I'll make her cry like Huma when she's on cleanup duty!

**hic**

**shart**

**faceplant**

Posted by: Hillary! at March 28, 2017 02:12 PM (X6fMO)

190 Not only do we not need "cheap labor" but really, as a country, we are just getting fecking crowded.
In a generation we have gone from a country of 200 Million to over 320 Million, largely through artificial increase in the population by immigration, and largely from the Third World.
Every town I've ever known in the Northeast has had almost all its remaining forest or vacant land paved over for more subdivisions, roads, etc.
Pretty much every city and town in the country has unprecedented traffic.
Most western water resource are now being strained to their limits.
But hey, the sky's the limits because "Nation of Immigrants" or something!

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 28, 2017 02:12 PM (QtQaN)

191 188 I saw this morning that someone has leaked items from her phone that suggest "she asked for it."

That is the defense attorney's entire line: she wanted it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:11 PM (39g3+)

=================

Did she give consent at every stage?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:12 PM (mC1ZI)

192 182 I wish there was a way to go after the politicians creating Sanctuary cities directly
There probably is, but they look sinister. Frog marching the Mayor of San Francisco into an ICE van seems very tyrannical.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:10 PM (39g3+)

That's why civil liability may be the key. They can't blame Trump, or squeal about a "police state" or a "political prosecution." It's not a prosecution, and Trump isn't involved, only the victim or his estate is involved. It's a civil matter, to be ironed with money, not jail time.

That's a lot harder to gin up the propaganda machine against an individual citizen as a victim of crime seeking redress.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2017 02:13 PM (SRKgf)

193 I've proposed that these officials be held accountable if they frustrate ICE by releasing a known criminal, if the released criminal later commits a serious crime. It meets the requirements for a charge of obstruction of justice by being an accessory after the fact.

Trump/Sessions can also shame them with blood on their hands. e.g., For a place with a large pop like NYC, it's inevitable that horrendous things will happen that will tir to diBlasio

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 28, 2017 02:13 PM (SIY7D)

194 We're funneling criminal illegals into a few cities while at the same time gaining valuable experience with fencing contracts. Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: Snake Pliskin at March 28, 2017 02:13 PM (97XyN)

195
Schumer today: what's with the delays, Republicans, we need justice!

I'll hitch the draft horses to the tumbrel. Who's sharpening and bringing the pikes?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 28, 2017 02:13 PM (v1g1+)

196 "non-criminal illegals"

*head tilt*

Posted by: AngelEm at March 28, 2017 02:13 PM (tAZC8)

197 Schumer: I'm on a mission from God

http://tinyurl.com/mwomwjo

atheists: meh, at least he's not like that Cruz guy!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:14 PM (39g3+)

198 The case law and SCOTUS basically lays out this concept...

That the Federal Government cannot force a state to do something by withholding funds that it couldn't ordinarily force compliance via a Constitutional process.

So by example, if a state wants to create concealed carry without permits, the federal government cannot say "well, if you do that we are withholding highway funds."

On the other hand, immigration IS specifically an area that the federal government has dominion over, so this concept doesn't apply.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 28, 2017 02:14 PM (tVWQB)

199 As an American, it is disheartening to think our vibrant immigrant community would be unable to find sanctuary without being attacked by extremists. This is eerily similar to Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

We need leadership from our Republican party in seeking real immigration reform that works for the middle class. Diversity is our Greatest Strength and we are a Nation of Immigrants, after all.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at March 28, 2017 02:14 PM (ismre)

200 They will bear their suffering as a sign of personal
virtue and will drag it out, even if it destroys the city they are
supposed to be administering. Its not about anything other than virtue
signaling. They would volunteer to blow themselves up, if they were
muslims. Posted by: simplemind at March 28, 2017 02:07 PM (xVRrG)
=====

I don't know if anyone else watched Jordan Peterson, some Toronto professor, trying to speak (on RealClearPol, if interested) defending speech rights.

Terrifying, especially with the new 'hate speech' laws that only cover insulting Muslims. Coming soon to a city near you. Never think that it can't happen here.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 28, 2017 02:14 PM (MIKMs)

201 But hey, the sky's the limits because "Nation of Immigrants" or something!

Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 28, 2017 02:12 PM (QtQaN)
--------------------------------------------
That and neoliberal economics in general. It's not just a preference; it's an ideology.

Posted by: Undocumented at March 28, 2017 02:14 PM (SsblQ)

202

Also: put Congress on obamacare NOW

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 28, 2017 02:15 PM (4Ejxg)

203 Yo!

-- the scrotum inflating guy

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot

That legendary photo was in fact NOT taken at Folsom or Up Your Alley, but instead at the "Anarchist Bookfair." Much to everyone's surprise.

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2017 02:16 PM (DQ4Fv)

204 Ugh.
Fuckin' Mccauliff just vetoed a bill that would've allowed women with protective orders to carry concealed for 45 days, then another 45 days if they applied for their CCP.
You should hear his bass ackwards reasoning.

There is indeed a War On Women, but it ain't coming from our side.

Posted by: The name... is Dalton at March 28, 2017 02:16 PM (/20hv)

205 This might be one of those times we regret federalism.
==

*cough*

Posted by: The War of Northern Aggression at March 28, 2017 02:16 PM (fLMbU)

206 That is the defense attorney's entire line: she wanted it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:11 PM (39g3+)

Regardless, isn't having sex with a 14-year-old illegal?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 28, 2017 02:16 PM (4C8M6)

207

Somehow Obama got around a lot of stuff that supposedly was "difficult." Maybe our guys aren't as devious.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 28, 2017 02:16 PM (0mz2+)

208
Did she give consent at every stage?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:12 PM (mC1ZI)

Consent? We ain't got no consent! We don't need no consent! I don't have to show you any stinking consent!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 02:16 PM (493sH)

209 Weren't the funds being discussed by Sessions discretionary grants in his control. This would be an easy one for Congress to remedy........

Posted by: ejo at March 28, 2017 02:16 PM (il4FI)

210 >>There probably is, but they look sinister. Frog marching the Mayor of San Francisco into an ICE van seems very tyrannical. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:10 PM (39g3+)

It also seems very improbable. Ed Lee is not an illegal alien.

Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 02:17 PM (Bdeb0)

211 I just looked it up and yep, it was a mere 10 months ago that Obama had issued "guidance" letting states, cities, and schools know that they risked losing federal funds if they didn't have gay bathrooms.

And the (D)s cheered.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 28, 2017 02:17 PM (/f1mm)

212 Brattleboro is proud to join these tons to have more persons of coler come hear to be free and lives in are gratae country. Trump and Bush lied to these peeple and now be the time to help them and raisse taxes on people who make over $50,000 a year. That way the world will love us again and we will nots receive any terrororizim or bad things happen to us. They loves Presdent Obama also and that will help us too !!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 28, 2017 02:17 PM (WmgTn)

213 Regardless, isn't having sex with a 14-year-old illegal?

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If it helps the Left's agenda in any way, shape, or form, no, nothing is off the table.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 28, 2017 02:17 PM (vg8iE)

214 176 I wish there was a way to go after the politicians creating Sanctuary cities directly. Its not enough to cut off their funds, they'll just raise taxes on their own to cover the short-fall. You have to criminalize what they are doing. Threaten them with jail and crippling fines.
___________________________

States should pass laws that remove immunity from any officials who refuse to cooperate with ICE and release illegal alien criminals who would otherwise have been detained, and those released illegal alien criminals then go on to commit more crimes.

Once the Americans who have been raped, robbed, beat up, murdered, etc., by released illegal alien criminals can sue the "sanctuary" sheriffs, mayors, etc., in their personal capacities for damages, they'll stop this shit pronto.

These "sanctuary" assholes are all too willing to release these illegal alien criminals back into our communities, knowing that they will never have to face any consequences for the crimes that the illegal alien criminals go on to commit here. Change that, and they'll change their tune fast enough to make your head spin.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 02:17 PM (riF5p)

215 This would be an easy one for Congress to remedy........
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Of unbounded faith.

Posted by: Undocumented at March 28, 2017 02:17 PM (SsblQ)

216 I saw this morning that someone has leaked items from her phone that suggest "she asked for it."

That is the defense attorney's entire line: she wanted it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:11 PM (39g3+)

=================

Did she give consent at every stage?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Funny that. A 14 yr old CAN'T give consent at ANY stage.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 02:18 PM (4Utw1)

217 Regardless, isn't having sex with a 14-year-old illegal?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at March 28, 2017 02:16 PM (4C8M6)

Don't assign your morality to other cultures, h8er.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 28, 2017 02:18 PM (/f1mm)

218 185
The scrotum inflating guy brought new meaning to the phrase "air ball(s)".
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot

Actually, they're inflated with saline solution. not air. If you inflated your ballsac with air, you could easily get an embolism and die -- very dangerous. For real.

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2017 02:18 PM (DQ4Fv)

219 207

Somehow Obama got around a lot of stuff that supposedly was "difficult." Maybe our guys aren't as devious.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 28, 2017 02:16 PM (0mz2+)

He got around the committee vote by always having one Republocrat on the committee to vote with the Democrats. Usually Lindsey Graham or McShitty.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 02:18 PM (mpXpK)

220 Regardless, isn't having sex with a 14-year-old illegal?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004

From what I've read, only if the male was more than four years older. The 17 and 18 year old therefore pass. Considering their age and being in the ninth grade, one of the few times they passed anything.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 28, 2017 02:20 PM (ZFUt7)

221 Eliminating federal money from city coffers is one giant step toward regaining the Republic.

Posted by: gNewt at March 28, 2017 02:20 PM (71o8T)

222 Harboring -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation.
Encouraging/Inducing -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv) makes it an offense for any person who -- encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law.
Conspiracy/Aiding or Abetting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(v) expressly makes it an offense to engage in a conspiracy to commit or aid or abet the commission of the foregoing offenses.

Once more... with feeling...

Each illegal harbored under this act, or specific action, is a FELONY with up to 5 year prison term...

The politicians are knowingly aiding and abetting... they even SAY SO...

Prosecute their ass...

Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at March 28, 2017 02:21 PM (NgKpN)

223 A few of Zod's more compassionate neighbors have erected yard signs claiming that "We don't care where you're from, we're glad you're our neighbor," and "In this house we believe no human is illegal."

It's refreshing and humbling to live in the company of goodthinkers.

Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 02:21 PM (Bdeb0)

224 So, they really, REALLY want to keep their illegal alien criminals.

Why?

Posted by: shibumi at March 28, 2017 02:21 PM (FkAXz)

225 213 Regardless, isn't having sex with a 14-year-old illegal?
_________________

Not under Maryland law, when the perp is within 4 years of the age of the victim.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 02:21 PM (riF5p)

226 59 But GOD FORBID that a State enforces federal immigration law against the wishes of the Executive.

9 out of 10 liberal federal judges agree with this; you should floss too.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 28, 2017 02:22 PM (0rHf9)

227 Fuckin' Mccauliff just vetoed a bill that would've allowed women with protective orders to carry concealed for 45 days, then another 45 days if they applied for their CCP.
You should hear his bass ackwards reasoning.

There is indeed a War On Women, but it ain't coming from our side.

He's a jerk.

OTOH, Open Carry is perfectly legal in VA. Denied the right to carry concealed, open is the way to go.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 28, 2017 02:22 PM (eytER)

228 Let's see if I got this right.

Obama advertised in Central America that "Dreamers" were welcome. The could only travel through Mexico because Obama told Mexico to let them through. Our border police were ordered to stand down and let them through. In fact, we gave them rides deep into the country, wherever they needed to go. (Like on of the perps here who wanted to go to his illegal father in MD). We routinely lost track of these Dreamers at the federal level, but the locals picked it up by giving out bennies including schooling. Someone had the bright idea of putting illiterate adults in with HS freshmen.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 28, 2017 02:22 PM (SIY7D)

229 222 The politicians are knowingly aiding and abetting... they even SAY SO...

Prosecute their ass...

Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at March 28, 2017 02:21 PM (NgKpN)

You can not prosecute congress critters from act committed as part of political debate and voting.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 02:22 PM (mpXpK)

230 EVEN IF she texted a guy asking for sex, and EVEN IF (for the sake of argument) she was of the age of consent, that in no way negates the fact that she was gang-raped.

In fact, if you look at many of these kind of inner-city gang-rapes, they follow the identical pattern:

Girls with low-self-esteem consents to or asks for sex with a sleazy guy, who then "passes her around" to his friends -- friends she does NOT want to have sex with. Consenting to one sex act does not mean consenting to multiple sex acts.

The lawyers for the rapists are making an epic blunder if that is their line of argument. Any decent prosecutor could rip it to shreds.

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2017 02:22 PM (DQ4Fv)

231 "Take all their federal highway funds too"

Right smack dab in Bela Pelosi's district in SF (where Princess DiFi lives as well) there's the Central Subway project.

One of the most brazenly awful federally funded public works projects in the country, and one which was Pelosi's top personal priority when she got her hands on the Speaker's gavel.

This goddamned thing is costing the public fisc over a BILLION DOLLARS A MILE on paper, in theory. In reality, of course, thanks to the incompetence and corruption of the Commiefornia public sector, it'll ultimately cost much more than that. It would be cheaper, studies showed, to have every single projected patron given their own personal private luxury limo ride, and that's at list price!

Pull the federal money. Put the dirt back in the hole.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2017 02:22 PM (noWW6)

232 I just looked it up and yep, it was a mere 10 months ago that Obama had issued "guidance" letting states, cities, and schools know that they risked losing federal funds if they didn't have gay bathrooms.

And the (D)s cheered.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 28, 2017 02:17 PM (/f1mm)

That's different. Whatever Barry did was sunshine and rainbows (emphasis on rainbows) when Trump does something it's MEGA-HITLER!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 02:22 PM (493sH)

233 Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 02:17 PM (riF5p)

They do not have immunity from clearly illegal acts even done with the power of their office.

Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at March 28, 2017 02:22 PM (NgKpN)

234 If you like your raping murdering illegal alien.........

Posted by: Miss Me Yet? at March 28, 2017 02:23 PM (QM5S2)

235 >Prosecute their ass...

Anything less is just spitting into the wind

Posted by: Grad School Fool at March 28, 2017 02:23 PM (swEzU)

236 A few of Zod's more compassionate neighbors have erected yard signs claiming that "We don't care where you're from, we're glad you're our neighbor," and "In this house we believe no human is illegal."

It's refreshing and humbling to live in the company of goodthinkers.

Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 02:21 PM (Bdeb0)

So when they're being raped and robbed they should just lie back and think of the agenda

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 02:24 PM (493sH)

237 warns? it should be done

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at March 28, 2017 02:24 PM (0O7c5)

238 Regardless, isn't having sex with a 14-year-old illegal?
_________________

Not under Maryland law, when the perp is within 4 years of the age of the victim.

14 + 4 = 18.
Vato was 19.

Or is this common core math?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 02:24 PM (4Utw1)

239 204 Ugh.
Fuckin' Mccauliff just vetoed a bill that would've allowed women with protective orders to carry concealed for 45 days, then another 45 days if they applied for their CCP.
You should hear his bass ackwards reasoning.

There is indeed a War On Women, but it ain't coming from our side.
Posted by: The name... is Dalton at March 28, 2017 02:16 PM (/20hv)
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Damn.
Well, what can you expect from a Clinton bagman?

If the GOP had any sense --- (yeah, I know, I know)--- they would make this a Big Deal next year.

In the meantime, they should try for an over-ride and get the peeps who vote against women on record.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 28, 2017 02:24 PM (hCoZK)

240 The age thing is for statutory rape, not rape rape.

Even if "she asked for it" I doubt it was for a tag team gang bang, with anal extras.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 28, 2017 02:24 PM (SIY7D)

241 Why can't these cities/states just arrest/imprison every Customs agent in their jurisdiction and demand Congress abolish ALL immigration laws AND CBP?

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at March 28, 2017 02:25 PM (QUhLG)

242 133 Ummm, it was the "breaking bad" parody that JJ announced in morning links. Might wanna ask him about it.
Plays audio with my usual browser and the only way to kill it is for me to hit mute on my laptop.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 28, 2017 01:46 PM (tTTfk)

OK, now I feel like an idiot. Because I don't see anything in Sefton's links either today or yesterday about a Breaking Bad parody.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004

"Other than that, you'll notice that, Pixy shenanigans notwithstanding, we have actual real opening credits! Woo hoo! Big shout out and thank you to Little Mrs. Spellcheck for creating them."

It's cute but autoplay anything is annoying as hell. Especially audio.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 28, 2017 02:25 PM (Oz6ib)

243 If you're a 3rd world criminal, America is not a bad place to be:

1. Free food
2. Free shelter
3. Free medical
4. Job if you want it
5. Rape

What's not to like?

Posted by: Fritz at March 28, 2017 02:25 PM (2Mnv1)

244 203 Yo!

-- the scrotum inflating guy

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot

That legendary photo was in fact NOT taken at Folsom or Up Your Alley, but instead at the "Anarchist Bookfair." Much to everyone's surprise.
Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2017 02:16 PM (DQ4Fv)

It seems to me that inflating your sac is a pretty anarchistic thing to do so not indefensible. (At least in terms of venue.)

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 28, 2017 02:25 PM (RD7QR)

245 I might add that the audio plays on my browser even when I haven't clicked the link.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 28, 2017 02:26 PM (Oz6ib)

246 I saw this morning that someone has leaked items from her phone that suggest "she asked for it."

That is the defense attorney's entire line: she wanted it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:11 PM (39g3+)

Hillary Clinton is practicing law again?

Posted by: LASue, the most deplorable at March 28, 2017 02:26 PM (CLKfs)

247 Even if "she asked for it" I doubt it was for a tag team gang bang, with anal extras.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 28, 2017 02:24 PM (SIY7D)

What are you talking about, you moron? Didn't you see the way she was dressed or something? And she had texted, dammit.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 28, 2017 02:27 PM (/f1mm)

248 You waited until you were actually 21?

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 28, 2017 02:08 PM (ZFUt7)

No, there was a three week period where it was illegal for me to drink (after being of legal age for almost 3 years prior)

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 28, 2017 02:27 PM (UBzPO)

249 You can not prosecute congress critters from act committed as part of political debate and voting.

What about city council members and mayors. I don't believe they have any such immunity.

Posted by: GMan at March 28, 2017 02:27 PM (sxq57)

250 ...a subway in SF? Rush-hour Frisco roulette-at least it'll save the families burial costs...

Posted by: pahound at March 28, 2017 02:28 PM (BX2Ug)

251 So, they really, REALLY want to keep their illegal alien criminals. Why? Posted by: shibumi at March 28, 2017 02:21 PM (FkAXz)
=====

In Chicago, they are bought off by the gangs and adorable toddlers are provided for photo ops (if said adorable toddlers survive the random shootouts). Current problem is that the old-time African-American gangs are pushed out and small wars erupt.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 28, 2017 02:28 PM (MIKMs)

252 >>I just looked it up and yep, it was a mere 10 months ago that Obama had issued "guidance" letting states, cities, and schools know that they risked losing federal funds if they didn't have gay bathrooms.

He did a similar things with universities that received federal funds. Go along or lose money.

OT, Trump is currently signing an EO to take down about a half dozen Obama EOs dealing with climate change.

Back to winning.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 02:28 PM (/tuJf)

253 224 So, they really, REALLY want to keep their illegal alien criminals.

Why?

Posted by: shibumi at March 28, 2017 02:21 PM (FkAXz)

Today's illegal alien criminal is tomorrow's illegal alien Democrat.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 28, 2017 02:29 PM (RD7QR)

254 >You can not prosecute congress critters from act committed as part of political debate and voting.

So I can run for Congress, and commit any crime on the books I like while claiming that it's "political debate"?

Nonsense. The corruptocrats holding office have a sworn duty to enforce the law. That oath does not mean a lightning bolt will strike them for their malfeasance, but it does mean they understand what is legally required of them.

We talked about using RICO against the democong before...but it's simpler just to nail each and every one of them under 8 USC 1324.

I don't give a damn about the "optics" either. Obey the law or go to jail. If the line officers in every jurisdiction would just DO THEIR DUTY, they wouldn't have to worry about political retribution, because all these traitors would BE IN JAIL.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at March 28, 2017 02:29 PM (swEzU)

255 242 133 Ummm, it was the "breaking bad" parody that JJ announced in morning links. Might wanna ask him about it.
Plays audio with my usual browser and the only way to kill it is for me to hit mute on my laptop.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at March 28, 2017 01:46 PM (tTTfk)

OK, now I feel like an idiot. Because I don't see anything in Sefton's links either today or yesterday about a Breaking Bad parody.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004

"Other than that, you'll notice that, Pixy shenanigans notwithstanding, we have actual real opening credits! Woo hoo! Big shout out and thank you to Little Mrs. Spellcheck for creating them."

It's cute but autoplay anything is annoying as hell. Especially audio.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something

Yesd, that autoplay video is driving me crazy, and preventing me from visiting AoS the last two days. Kill it!

Link is here:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=369029

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2017 02:29 PM (DQ4Fv)

256 Enemies, foreign and domestic.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 28, 2017 02:29 PM (0mRoj)

257 O/T

Just to illustrate how quickly WI is going to solid red status, a bill for constitutional carry was introduced today and has a very good chance of getting signed into law.

Just six short years ago, I believe WI was only one of two states that didn't allow any kind of conceal carry.

Posted by: WisRich at March 28, 2017 02:29 PM (hdpay)

258 >>>>the feds' ability to force state law enforcement to enforce federal laws is limited.
.
.
.
.He doesn't need to force them to do anything, he just needs to keep squeezing that government $$$ teat shut, they will figure it out soon enough.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 28, 2017 02:29 PM (le7jz)

259 Pull the federal money. Put the dirt back in the hole.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2017 02:22 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

There's no going back.

Posted by: The Big Dig at March 28, 2017 02:29 PM (p+Wdc)

260 >>Fuckin' Mccauliff Posted by: The name... is Dalton at March 28, 2017 02:16 PM (/20hv)

The same guy who bragged that his party dedication was such that he stopped off at a Dem fundraiser on the way home from the hospital with his wife and newborn son Peter. Nothing but class, McAuliffe.

Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 02:30 PM (Bdeb0)

261 Regardless, isn't having sex with a 14-year-old illegal?

Sure, but that's not this defense attorney's problem. He's defending them from rape charges, not statutory.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:30 PM (39g3+)

262 Yesd, that autoplay video is driving me crazy, and preventing me from visiting AoS the last two days. Kill it!

Link is here:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=369029
Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2017 02:29 PM (DQ4Fv)

Thank you! It was driving me nuts from the get-go.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 28, 2017 02:30 PM (0mRoj)

263 Mayor and Imam of Philadelphia Jim Kenney will love him

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2017 02:30 PM (GPaiX)

264 We truly live in a broken world.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 28, 2017 02:30 PM (vg8iE)

265
About the 14-year old rape victim. I saw this morning that someone has leaked items from her phone that suggest "she asked for it."

I can't believe they're going to go there.I guess we know now what special group sits atop the proggressive food chain and it ain't feminist.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 28, 2017 02:30 PM (lKyWE)

266 249 What about city council members and mayors. I don't believe they have any such immunity.

Posted by: GMan at March 28, 2017 02:27 PM (sxq57)

Probably depends on the city.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 02:31 PM (mpXpK)

267 Meanwhile, the Trump administration is rolling back ALL climate change nonsense in the white house, in all agencies. Trying to shut down the ridiculous "Department of Peace" as well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:31 PM (39g3+)

268 257 O/T

Just to illustrate how quickly WI is going to solid red status, a bill for constitutional carry was introduced today and has a very good chance of getting signed into law.

Just six short years ago, I believe WI was only one of two states that didn't allow any kind of conceal carry.

Posted by: WisRich at March 28, 2017 02:29 PM (hdpay)

===============

Amazing what will happen when a bold executive will help pass legislation that helps his constituents despite very strong and loud opposition.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:31 PM (ELUpj)

269 264 We truly live in a broken world.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 28, 2017 02:30 PM (vg8iE)

Well...yeah. Been that way for millenia.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 28, 2017 02:31 PM (0mRoj)

270 Every state has a drinking age of 21 now after several years of variation. All it took was withholding highway funds. I can't imagine that it wouldn't work on this issue as well.

Posted by: Pendejo at March 28, 2017 02:32 PM (yKJ+U)

271 Probably depends on the city.

Pretty sure a city or state cannot make themselves immune from federal laws. Arrest the council members and mayors and sheriffs that are actively breaking laws by aiding and abetting...

Done.

Posted by: GMan at March 28, 2017 02:32 PM (sxq57)

272 OT, thank God. Grandson has been evacuated from school lockdown.

Posted by: Infidel at March 28, 2017 02:32 PM (uKRys)

273 "Fuckin' Mccauliff just vetoed a bill that would've allowed women with protective orders to carry concealed for 45 days, then another 45 days if they applied for their CCP."

I've asked "feminists" why they don't encourage domestic violence victims to consider a firearm for protection.

Serious crickets.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 28, 2017 02:32 PM (97XyN)

274 254 So I can run for Congress, and commit any crime on the books I like while claiming that it's "political debate"?

Nonsense.
The corruptocrats holding office have a sworn duty to enforce the law.
That oath does not mean a lightning bolt will strike them for their
malfeasance, but it does mean they understand what is legally required
of them.

We talked about using RICO against the democong
before...but it's simpler just to nail each and every one of them under 8
USC 1324.

I don't give a damn about the "optics" either. Obey
the law or go to jail. If the line officers in every jurisdiction would
just DO THEIR DUTY, they wouldn't have to worry about political
retribution, because all these traitors would BE IN JAIL.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at March 28, 2017 02:29 PM (swEzU)

That is not what I said. Acts committed on the floor of congress as part of debate and voting. Its in the Constitution.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 02:33 PM (mpXpK)

275 All it took was withholding highway funds. I can't imagine that it wouldn't work on this issue as well.
Posted by: Pendejo�

I'd love to hear AG Sessions issue just that warning, "My way, or the highway. "

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 28, 2017 02:33 PM (ZFUt7)

276 Exactly.

That's for the courts to decide if a state is actively impeding federal law whether they are still legally qualified.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 01:54 PM (mC1ZI)

I don't think it is. The federal government can withhold funds for all sorts of programs that are not state-federal cooperative efforts. So for instance, the feds cannot withhold Medicaid money for not expanding Medicaid because Medicaid is a partnership and the states did not agree to be bound by that rule (unless they expand voluntarily... then they agreed to the rule and can be reamed if they ever kill the expansion).

A lot federal monies are not under that category. Any grants moneys, for instance can be withheld for any reason.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 28, 2017 02:33 PM (geAkB)

277 265 Leftist have no morals

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2017 02:33 PM (GPaiX)

278 Well...yeah. Been that way for millenia.

-----------------

I agree, but I believe the standard practice was to try to keep the pieces together as best as possible, not trying to break them into even smaller pieces and grind them into the carpet.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 28, 2017 02:34 PM (vg8iE)

279 About the 14-year old rape victim. I saw this morning that someone has leaked items from her phone that suggest "she asked for it."

I can't believe they're going to go there.I guess we know now what special group sits atop the proggressive food chain and it ain't feminist.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 28, 2017 02:30 PM (lKyWE)

If this hurts the agenda the MFM and left will make this girl into a villain who lured the poor innocent illegals into sex with her and then lied about it because she's racist. They will ruin her life without blinking.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 02:34 PM (493sH)

280 I just looked it up and yep, it was a mere 10 months ago that Obama had issued "guidance" letting states, cities, and schools know that they risked losing federal funds if they didn't have gay bathrooms.

Sure ... but gay bathrooms are in the Constitution. They're in Art I, Sec 8, but the print is really small and you have to squint to see it. But, it's there. We know this because the Founders all wore wigs. They were all trannies.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 28, 2017 02:34 PM (zc3Db)

281 236 A few of Zod's more compassionate neighbors have erected yard signs claiming that "We don't care where you're from, we're glad you're our neighbor," and "In this house we believe no human is illegal."

It's refreshing and humbling to live in the company of goodthinkers.

Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 02:21 PM (Bdeb0)

You should just go into their house , raid the fridge and plop yourself on their couch with the remote. What's the difference between that and illegals doing that to America?

Posted by: Jack Sock at March 28, 2017 02:34 PM (yIPKR)

282 276
I don't think it is. The federal government can withhold funds for all sorts of programs that are not state-federal cooperative efforts. So for instance, the feds cannot withhold Medicaid money for not expanding Medicaid because Medicaid is a partnership and the states did not agree to be bound by that rule (unless they expand voluntarily... then they agreed to the rule and can be reamed if they ever kill the expansion).

A lot federal monies are not under that category. Any grants moneys, for instance can be withheld for any reason.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 28, 2017 02:33 PM (geAkB)

=================

Thanks for the clarification.

Although, I wouldn't be surprised to see something like the 9th circuit saying that the federal government can't impose behavior on states to receive money. Whether that survives SCOTUS is doubtful, though, of course.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:35 PM (ELUpj)

283 >>>>Just to illustrate how quickly WI is going to solid red status, a bill
for constitutional carry was introduced today and has a very good chance
of getting signed into law.

Just six short years ago, I believe WI was only one of two states that didn't allow any kind of conceal carry.

.
.
.I wish they would do that here in Texas. We just moved here from Kentucky and I had to go through the B$ LTC process just to open carry. In Kentucky you do not need any permit for open carry.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 28, 2017 02:35 PM (le7jz)

284 You waited until you were actually 21?
Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 28, 2017 02:08 PM (ZFUt7)

No, there was a three week period where it was illegal for me to drink (after being of legal age for almost 3 years prior)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans

Same here. I had almost 2.5 months (Sept 1st to middle of November) where I was "illegal" after being legal for 2 years & 9.5 months. Texas was 18, then 19, & then 21.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 02:35 PM (4Utw1)

285 So what would you call a DREAMER who crosses the Rio Grande?

A Wet DREAMER?

Posted by: kbdabear at March 28, 2017 02:35 PM (AOrEZ)

286 "...a subway in SF? Rush-hour Frisco roulette-at least it'll save the families burial costs..."

When I hear Moonbeam Brown and other Commiefornia Democrats nattering on about high speed rail, I always have the disquieting realization that the CA public sector can't even safely and competently operate _low_ speed rail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCdgzuYXApQ

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2017 02:36 PM (noWW6)

287 As I understand it, there are a number of different actions which create the sanctuary environment. One of those actions is the failure to handover a suspect to another non-sanctuary jurisdiction for prosecution upon completion of a prosecution and/or sentence for a criminal action in a sanctuary location.

How long before a citizen criminal raises hell because of unequal treatment under the law? Do sanctuaries provide sanctuary, equally, for citizens who've committed crimes in non-sanctuary jurisdictions?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 28, 2017 02:36 PM (nAp1e)

288 283 I wish they would do that here in Texas. We just moved here from Kentucky and I had to go through the B$ LTC process just to open carry. In Kentucky you do not need any permit for open carry.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 28, 2017 02:35 PM (le7jz)

==============

SC is really bad too. Not the worst, but a lot more difficult than you'd imagine.

I think it was Lee Bright who tried to introduce constitutional carry legislation in the state house a couple of years ago, and Republican leaders used the exact same talking points that liberal Democrats use against the idea.

Weird, right?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:36 PM (ELUpj)

289 When I hear Moonbeam Brown and other Commiefornia Democrats nattering on about high speed rail, I always have the disquieting realization that the CA public sector can't even safely and competently operate _low_ speed rail.

--------------------------------

But like every leftist idea, it'll somehow be different this time.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 28, 2017 02:37 PM (vg8iE)

290 Damn.
Well, what can you expect from a Clinton bagman?

If the GOP had any sense --- (yeah, I know, I know)--- they would make this a Big Deal next year.

In the meantime, they should try for an over-ride and get the peeps who vote against women on record.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 28, 2017 02:24 PM (hCoZK)
***

It's over at The Washington Free Beacon.
Ace or one of the CoBs should jump on this one.
His reasing is ridiculous. This douchecanoe needs to go now - I don't want to wait until November.

Posted by: The name... is Dalton at March 28, 2017 02:37 PM (/20hv)

291 >>About the 14-year old rape victim. I saw this morning that someone has
leaked items from her phone that suggest "she asked for it."
I can't believe they're going to go there.I guess we know now what
special group sits atop the proggressive food chain and it ain't
feminist.

They don't care about women and children. They're just a convenient tool to get power. Now that illegals are a critical part of them getting/staying in power, they'll defend them.

Just look at so-called champion of women and children Hillary ignoring Weiner sexting a 14-15 year old for months to insulate her campaign from scandal.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 28, 2017 02:38 PM (NOIQH)

292 A lot federal monies are not under that category. Any grants moneys, for instance can be withheld for any reason.
Posted by: redbanzai

All those DOD MWRAPS those swat teams are using?
Send 'em back.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 02:38 PM (4Utw1)

293 http://bit.ly/2o3lcZZ
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House intelligence panel cancels meetings for the week: report

Posted by: EVLINC! at March 28, 2017 02:38 PM (y3aQB)

294 Although, I wouldn't be surprised to see something like the 9th circuit saying that the federal government can't impose behavior on states to receive money. Whether that survives SCOTUS is doubtful, though, of course.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:35 PM (ELUpj)

So drinking age and the legal limit for BAC going back to the states then.

Posted by: buzzion at March 28, 2017 02:38 PM (z/Ubi)

295
Trish Regan is doing a story about that stupid "fearless" girl statue in NYC. DeCommio made a speech about the statue not being removed. This is the left's mental illness. A statue is all important for the agenda but a 14 year old real person is nothing but it goes against the agenda

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 02:38 PM (493sH)

296 Harboring -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation.
Encouraging/Inducing -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv) makes it an offense for any person who -- encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law.
Conspiracy/Aiding or Abetting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(v) expressly makes it an offense to engage in a conspiracy to commit or aid or abet the commission of the foregoing offenses.

Once more... with feeling...

Each illegal harbored under this act, or specific action, is a FELONY with up to 5 year prison term...

The politicians are knowingly aiding and abetting... they even SAY SO...

Prosecute their ass...
Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at March 28, 2017 02:21 PM (NgKpN)
____________________

Send the US Marshalls into San Francisco and arrest the Sheriff, his chief Deputies, and then ask them if they still want a sanctuary policy. Repeat as necessary monthly.

And if they decide to arrest the Marshalls, send in the 82nd and federalize the CANG. Send the rural units in to support the 82nd. Send the suspect units to 29 Palms for training under the watchful eyes of the US Marines.

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 02:38 PM (iT57s)

297 292 A lot federal monies are not under that category. Any grants moneys, for instance can be withheld for any reason.
Posted by: redbanzai

All those DOD MWRAPS those swat teams are using?
Send 'em back.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 02:38 PM (4Utw1)

Works for me.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 28, 2017 02:38 PM (0mRoj)

298 OT, thank God. Grandson has been evacuated from school lockdown.
Posted by: Infidel

Good news.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 02:39 PM (4Utw1)

299 I can't believe they're going to go there.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at March 28, 2017 02:30 PM (lKyWE)

I can. It's pretty obvious the Left doesn't actually care about things like victim blaming or women's rights. A cause is only useful so long as it advances The Narrative.

Posted by: not the mama at March 28, 2017 02:39 PM (EpAnP)

300 Without high speed rail, they'll never meet their quotas at the camps.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 28, 2017 02:40 PM (L7t0A)

301 293 http://bit.ly/2o3lcZZ
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House intelligence panel cancels meetings for the week: report
Posted by: EVLINC! at March 28, 2017 02:38 PM (y3aQB)

Nunes must be over the target because they REALLY want him to shut up.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 28, 2017 02:40 PM (RD7QR)

302
scottish fold munchkin kitten

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VSR4_tAYvw

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 28, 2017 02:40 PM (4Ejxg)

303 "Every state has a drinking age of 21 now after several years of variation. All it took was withholding highway funds."

Justify it on the identical grounds. After all, a bunch of the illegals who are being given "sanctuary", or released onto the streets rather than over to ICE, are in the jug for drunk driving.

Including the illegal in Austin who slammed into a woman and killed her while he was blotto behind the wheel. The new female SJW sheriff in Travis County turned the guy loose rather than allow the feds to come get him.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2017 02:41 PM (noWW6)

304 >>OT, thank God. Grandson has been evacuated from school lockdown.

Posted by: Infidel

Oh my, good news! Do you know what caused the lockdown yet?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 28, 2017 02:41 PM (NOIQH)

305 >That is not what I said. Acts committed on the floor of congress as part of debate and voting. Its in the Constitution.

OK. Rhetoric on the floor of Congress is permitted.

Off the floor is not...
Lying about crimes committed by illegals is not (as long as it's not on the floor)...
Fundraisers for front organizations is not...

We need to STOP making excuses for holding these traitors responsible, and we need to demand that LE at all levels, and in particular the line level, arrest criminals regardless of political considerations.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at March 28, 2017 02:41 PM (swEzU)

306 >>300
Without high speed rail, they'll never meet their quotas at the camps. Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 28, 2017 02:40 PM (L7t0A)

Shhhh. The sanctuary cities *are* the camps...

Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 02:42 PM (Bdeb0)

307 >>>>Although, I wouldn't be surprised to see something like the 9th
circuit saying that the federal government can't impose behavior on
states to receive money. Whether that survives SCOTUS is doubtful,
though, of course.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:35 PM (ELUpj)

So drinking age and the legal limit for BAC going back to the states then.
.
.
.Yep among others like the voting age, the draft age, etc.....

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 28, 2017 02:43 PM (le7jz)

308 Including the illegal in Austin who slammed into a woman and killed her while he was blotto behind the wheel. The new female SJW sheriff in Travis County turned the guy loose rather than allow the feds to come get him.

A judge let a defendant leave through the back door of her chambers to keep ICE from grabbing him in Oregon. Its outrageous, what on earth is creeping through the minds of these fools?

Do they think they are courageous members of the Underground Railroad or something??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:43 PM (39g3+)

309 14 + 4 = 18.
Vato was 19.

Or is this common core math?
______________

The rapists' ages have been reported as 17 and 18. But, of course, since they undoubtedly had no birth certificates or other papers, or had forged papers, they could be 27 and 28 for all we know. Lots of illegal aliens lie about their ages to qualify for U.S. benefits that are only supposed to go to minors.

Anyway, if they forced sex on the girl without her consent, that's still rape (even in MD) -- no matter their ages.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 02:44 PM (riF5p)

310 scottish fold munchkin kitten

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VSR4_tAYvw
Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 28, 2017 02:40 PM (4Ejxg)

Are you trying to make my head explode?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 28, 2017 02:44 PM (8nWyX)

311 >>Do they think they are courageous members of the Underground Railroad or something??

Yes, yes they do. And a bunch of churches are now in on the illegal immigrant protection game.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 28, 2017 02:44 PM (NOIQH)

312 308
Do they think they are courageous members of the Underground Railroad or something??
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:43 PM (39g3+)

================

That is exactly what they think.

Because being kept in bondage against one's will is the exact same thing as breaking laws to enter and live in a country.

Exact. Same. Thing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:44 PM (ELUpj)

313
From what I can tell, those munchkins stay kitten-like all their lives.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 28, 2017 02:45 PM (4Ejxg)

314 But, of course, since they undoubtedly had no birth certificates or other papers, or had forged papers, they could be 27 and 28 for all we know.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 02:44 PM (riF5p)

1. cut in half
2. count rings

#2 is optional.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 28, 2017 02:45 PM (8nWyX)

315 >And a bunch of churches are now in on the illegal immigrant protection game.

Arrest them too

Posted by: Grad School Fool at March 28, 2017 02:45 PM (swEzU)

316 Yes, yes they do. And a bunch of churches are now in on the illegal immigrant protection game.

----------------------------

They should lose any non-profit or tax exempt status they currently enjoy.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 28, 2017 02:45 PM (vg8iE)

317 the feds' ability to force state law enforcement to enforce federal laws is limited.

Really?

Posted by: 19 yo in Wyoming at March 28, 2017 02:45 PM (zZb/S)

318 >>>>Send the US Marshalls into San Francisco and arrest the Sheriff, his
chief Deputies, and then ask them if they still want a sanctuary policy.
Repeat as necessary monthly.

And if they decide to arrest the Marshalls, send in the 82nd and
federalize the CANG. Send the rural units in to support the 82nd. Send
the suspect units to 29 Palms for training under the watchful eyes of
the US Marines.
.
.
.Sorry but no, the Posse Comitatus Act prevents the 82nd Airborne from being used for internal Police duties. I don't care who is president I would fight that with my last breath.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 28, 2017 02:45 PM (le7jz)

319
Shhhh. The sanctuary cities *are* the camps...
Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 02:42 PM (Bdeb0)

100% true in my sanctuary city (Seattle). There are homeless camps everywhere. and garbage. and drugs. and crime. This city is in the middle of an economic boom and it looks like a third world country. I never go into town unless I have to.

Posted by: not the mama at March 28, 2017 02:45 PM (EpAnP)

320 Posted by: Lizzy at March 28, 2017 02:41 PM (NOIQH)

Threat called in to PD this am. They weren't saying much on the scanner. It will be a couple hours before his mom can pick him up.

Posted by: Infidel at March 28, 2017 02:46 PM (uKRys)

321 They were good boyz.

Posted by: The NYDN at March 28, 2017 02:46 PM (vtcmf)

322 It's a tax!

Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at March 28, 2017 02:47 PM (QQ+il)

323 ...the whole left "coalition"; "trans vs lesbian, muslim vs gay,immigrant vs illegal, feminists vs male (white specifically) black vs white-geez its Thunderdome. Yet, they all stick together to pass legislature (bad as it is)...

Posted by: pahound at March 28, 2017 02:47 PM (BX2Ug)

324 Constitutional amendment regarding presidential elections:

In a presidential election, each and every state that has a sanctuary city shall forfeit one member of that state's Electoral College for the first 100,000 residents of such city or cities that have implicitly or explicitly renounced compliance with federal immigration laws, and an additional member for every 100,000 people residing in such city or cities with such a state.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 28, 2017 02:47 PM (4AVeu)

325 They should lose any non-profit or tax exempt status they currently enjoy.

According to tax law, yes. Non profits engaging in political activity = lose non profit status.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:47 PM (39g3+)

326 Trump moving forward aggressively on a sane energy policy. I'm wondering how the GOP will screw this up.

Posted by: Ripley at March 28, 2017 02:47 PM (1BQGO)

327 All those DOD MWRAPS those swat teams are using?

Send 'em back.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 02:38 PM (4Utw1)

Yes... like that. Also grants for school arts programs and for implementing environmental programs. All those and more can be cut.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 28, 2017 02:48 PM (geAkB)

328 Require anyone who applies for government assistance to prove residency.

If a govt employee approves assistance without said proof, they have committed a felony, forfeited their pension and are fired and charged. That should reduce the appeal a bit.

Also parents with children who don't speak English have to pay for ESL.

Posted by: atomicplaygirl (Gab: atomicplaygirl) at March 28, 2017 02:48 PM (Gim9y)

329 I think it was Lee Bright who tried to introduce constitutional carry
legislation in the state house a couple of years ago, and Republican
leaders used the exact same talking points that liberal Democrats use
against the idea.

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Bright was my state rep. He was also voted out of office and replaced by one of the good ole' boys, by all accounts.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 28, 2017 02:48 PM (+FSld)

330 308 Including the illegal in Austin who slammed into a woman and killed her while he was blotto behind the wheel. The new female SJW sheriff in Travis County turned the guy loose rather than allow the feds to come get him.

A judge let a defendant leave through the back door of her chambers to keep ICE from grabbing him in Oregon. Its outrageous, what on earth is creeping through the minds of these fools?

Do they think they are courageous members of the Underground Railroad or something??
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2017 02:43 PM (39g3+)

________

Civil Disobedience means a willingness to accept the Consequences. Lock them up. Make them into Martyrs for the cause. Because once they realize there are REAL Consequences, the next ones will turn chicken.

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 02:48 PM (iT57s)

331 According to tax law, yes. Non profits engaging in political activity = lose non profit status.

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Of course, we know there is no desire to do this either as black churches are known for electioneering from the pulpit and......crickets.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 28, 2017 02:48 PM (vg8iE)

332 And a bunch of churches are now in on the illegal immigrant protection game.

WWBD? (What Would Barry Do?)

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at March 28, 2017 02:49 PM (vtcmf)

333 Trump is making left wingers get fat(see Streisand,Barbara and Pancakes)

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/261005/

Posted by: steevy at March 28, 2017 02:49 PM (r/0kC)

334 A judge let a defendant leave through the back door of her chambers to keep ICE from grabbing him in Oregon. Its outrageous, what on earth is creeping through the minds of these fools?
___________________

That Oregon judge was head of the local hispanic lawyers' association, so what do you think she was thinking?

Remember the case a few years ago when a hispanic Border Patrol agent was on trial in TX for shooting an illegal alien who was coming across the border? The DOJ prosecutor, a hispanic female, argued in court that "we can't let him (the U.S. Border Patrol agent) get away with this. We have to stand together as a community." Whose "community" do you think she was talking about?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 02:49 PM (riF5p)

335 >>100% true in my sanctuary city (Seattle). I never go into town unless I have to. Posted by: not the mama at March 28, 2017 02:45 PM (EpAnP)

In time, you won't be able to, citizen. Sentries at the Sanctuary Walls will politely but firmly ensure that tourists only peer over and into the cesspool from towers at the howling madness within...

Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 02:49 PM (Bdeb0)

336 318 .Sorry but no, the Posse Comitatus Act prevents the
82nd Airborne from being used for internal Police duties. I don't care
who is president I would fight that with my last breath.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 28, 2017 02:45 PM (le7jz)

The Democrats have diluted that law so much it really doesn't do anything anymore.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 02:49 PM (mpXpK)

337 I seem to recall that the former first lady was able to enact her horrible food policies at schools across the nation by threatening to pull federal funds.

This sanctuary city thing will be a breeze. Just TRY to take to court. Plenty of precedent to go on here...

Posted by: K-E at March 28, 2017 02:49 PM (ePvML)

338 329
Bright was my state rep. He was also voted out of office and replaced by one of the good ole' boys, by all accounts.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 28, 2017 02:48 PM (+FSld)

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He WAS a bit of a kook.

Probably the last straw was his primary campaign against Graham.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:49 PM (ELUpj)

339 Posse Comitatus Act

A) That went out the window back in 1860.
B) Fine. Deputize a shitload of infantry from the 82nd and THEN send them in on a "non-military" basis.

Posted by: GMan at March 28, 2017 02:50 PM (sxq57)

340
Munchkin cats are kinda like the corgis of cats.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 28, 2017 02:50 PM (4Ejxg)

341 Sorry but no, the Posse Comitatus Act prevents the 82nd Airborne from being used for internal Police duties. I don't care who is president I would fight that with my last breath.

Then send in FBI, Treasury, ATF, etc.

Everyone has mass amnesia all of a sudden.

The fedgov is the 800 lb gorilla in the room.
NOT the states.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 02:50 PM (4Utw1)

342
Pres. Trump is now at the EPA signing an EO to roll back Barry's BS climate policies

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 02:50 PM (493sH)

343 [OT] Bill O'Reilly made fun of Maxine Waters for her "James Brown wig". Not much of a fan of his, but that's pretty funny.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 28, 2017 02:50 PM (vRcUp)

344 The rapists' ages have been reported as 17 and 18. But, of course, since they undoubtedly had no birth certificates or other papers, or had forged papers, they could be 27 and 28 for all we know. Lots of illegal aliens lie about their ages to qualify for U.S. benefits that are only supposed to go to minors.

Yep, federal law concerning unaccompanied minors who show up at the border are automatically granted sanctuary pending a hearing. It's that law that Obama abused to allow them in and basically set up residence...no hearing scheduled, so their status is in limbo.

Anyway, these 22-year-old "children" came here and the first thing they did was ask for sanctuary in Spanish, as coached by pamphlets that were distributed in their areas of origin. They knew exactly what to ask to exploit the law and gain entry.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 28, 2017 02:51 PM (eytER)

345
There are so many ways to counter-attack the Left and we don't do anything.

Posted by: iSoothsayer iPro iLX at March 28, 2017 02:51 PM (4Ejxg)

346 Back to winning.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2017 02:28 PM (/tuJf)

There is no winning. Because things are not moving at the speed of the internet then it is all a failure. The slightest misstep - failure

Gloom and failure. Malaise Forever.

I know this because the internets have told me, and if it is on the internets it must be true.

s/

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 28, 2017 02:51 PM (hLRSq)

347 Quiet Man - This is the genius of Trump. He gets the left and the press all riled up about Obamacare and sanctuary cities...meanwhile, he is making HUGE changes at the federal level that will positively impact this country immediately.

Ha, ha, ha!

Posted by: K-E at March 28, 2017 02:52 PM (ePvML)

348 That is not what I said. Acts committed on the floor of congress as part of debate and voting. Its in the Constitution.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 02:33 PM (mpXpK)

Actually... speech and debate clause just goes to speech, not acts...

And only covers the US Congress, not other legislative bodies like, State Legislatures or City Councils.

Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at March 28, 2017 02:52 PM (NgKpN)

349 I feel good. Just like I knew I would.

Posted by: Maxi Waters at March 28, 2017 02:52 PM (vtcmf)

350 >>343
[OT] Bill O'Reilly made fun of Maxine Waters for her "James Brown wig". Not much of a fan of his, but that's pretty funny. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 28, 2017 02:50 PM (vRcUp)

That *is* good.

Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 02:52 PM (Bdeb0)

351
Require anyone who applies for government assistance to prove residency.

If a govt employee approves assistance without said proof, they have committed a felony, forfeited their pension and are fired and charged. That should reduce the appeal a bit.

Also parents with children who don't speak English have to pay for ESL.

Posted by: atomicplaygirl (Gab: atomicplaygirl) at March 28, 2017 02:48 PM (

Get rid of ESL. The kids do better in English Immersion Classes. And if school is limited to LEGAL Immigration and Legal Visitors, there will be very little demand for ESL.

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 02:52 PM (iT57s)

352 348 Actually... speech and debate clause just goes to speech, not acts...

And only covers the US Congress, not other legislative bodies like, State Legislatures or City Councils.
Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at March 28, 2017 02:52 PM (NgKpN)

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What happened to the guy who beat Sumner?

Wasn't he just expelled from the Senate?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:52 PM (ELUpj)

353 341 Sorry but no, the Posse Comitatus Act prevents the 82nd Airborne from being used for internal Police duties. I don't care who is president I would fight that with my last breath.

Then send in FBI, Treasury, ATF, etc.

Everyone has mass amnesia all of a sudden.

The fedgov is the 800 lb gorilla in the room.
NOT the states.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 02:50 PM (4Utw1)

the Posse Act does not cover Acts of insurrection, which this would be.

Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at March 28, 2017 02:53 PM (NgKpN)

354 What happened to the guy who beat Sumner?

Wasn't he just expelled from the Senate?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:52 PM (ELUpj)

Preston Brooks was a representative, IIRC.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 28, 2017 02:54 PM (hLRSq)

355 Local mayor of the nearby city says we want more illegals, we have lost so much to the suburbs that immigrants will repopulate the city. She is telling everyone, don't worry, we will ignore anything the Feds tell us to do. Putting her thumb to her nose, wiggles fingers.

Posted by: Colin at March 28, 2017 02:54 PM (odQZE)

356 I'll post it again because it is hilarious.Feast on their pain and bewilderment.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/261005/

Posted by: steevy at March 28, 2017 02:54 PM (r/0kC)

357 [OT] Bill O'Reilly made fun of Maxine Waters for her "James Brown wig". Not much of a fan of his, but that's pretty funny.

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Ho'boy. That'll cause an earthquake. Expect calls for him to resign!11! by the end of the day for daring to make a crack about this horrible woman and her horrible wig. What's that I hear? Why, it's rayciss!

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 28, 2017 02:55 PM (+FSld)

358 352
What happened to the guy who beat Sumner?

Wasn't he just expelled from the Senate?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:52 PM (ELUpj)

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Just looked it up. Preston Brooks was tried in a District of Columbia court for the attack. He was convicted of assault and was fined $300 though he was not incarcerated.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:55 PM (ELUpj)

359 >>>>Posse Comitatus Act

A) That went out the window back in 1860.

B) Fine. Deputize a shitload of infantry from the 82nd and THEN send them in on a "non-military" basis.
.
.
.Not sure how it went out the window in 1860 when it wasn't signed until 1878, but math is hard.

The Federal Marshall's can deputize anyone they want to except active duty serving members. Heck they can give me a badge and I will go to SF.

And before anyone else gets to it.....We don't need no stinkin badges.....

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 28, 2017 02:55 PM (le7jz)

360 Although, I wouldn't be surprised to see something like the 9th
circuit saying that the federal government can't impose behavior on
states to receive money.

It'll have to be conditional, because the feds will never surrender that coercive power.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 28, 2017 02:55 PM (oVJmc)

361 342
Pres. Trump is now at the EPA signing an EO to roll back Barry's BS climate policies
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 02:50 PM (493sH)

More of this. And fumigate the damn building too.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 28, 2017 02:55 PM (RD7QR)

362 354
Preston Brooks was a representative, IIRC.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 28, 2017 02:54 PM (hLRSq)

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Yup. I assumed he was a Senator because Sumner was.

He never got expelled from the House but resigned.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:56 PM (ELUpj)

363 http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=369029
Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2017 02:29 PM (DQ4Fv)

Thank you! It was driving me nuts from the get-go.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 28, 2017 02:30 PM (0mRoj)
********************

"No Script" will solve your problems.

Posted by: gNewt at March 28, 2017 02:56 PM (71o8T)

364 What happened to the guy who beat Sumner?

Wasn't he just expelled from the Senate?

Preston Brooks resigned but had to pay some fine. He wasn't tossed out although it was tried. Still, he was reelected in a special election and then won reelection after that.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 28, 2017 02:56 PM (eytER)

365 >>Ho'boy. That'll cause an earthquake. Expect calls
for him to resign!11! by the end of the day for daring to make a crack
about this horrible woman and her horrible wig. What's that I hear? Why,
it's rayciss! Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 28, 2017 02:55 PM (+FSld)

He should own it, just to see exploding heads. "Well, yes, now that you mention it, it is kind of racist. In fact, I'm kind of racist. That's not illegal yet, I don't think. I've got enough to live on. Goodnight, and go fuck yourselves."

Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 02:57 PM (Bdeb0)

366 Sorry but no, the Posse Comitatus Act prevents the 82nd Airborne from being used for internal Police duties. I don't care who is president I would fight that with my last breath.

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Except as per the Insurrection Act which includes unwillingness to enforce order or to impede federal enforcement by local authorities.
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But even before the most recent changes the two laws, one can find many examples of the armed forces being used to enforce federal law - such as school admissions and during disaster response.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 28, 2017 02:57 PM (SsblQ)

367 If the Left starts finding judges that green light states to break laws they don't like conservative states should find judges to do the same.

Posted by: steevy at March 28, 2017 02:57 PM (r/0kC)

368 Heck they can give me a badge and I will go to SF.

Lol, that's an idea. Let people volunteer!

Actually, what I meant, is that the whole "not using the military as police" has been thrown out the window, since you know, 1860.

Then I believe the marines were "assisting" police during the LA riots...etc etc.

It's not "supposed" to happen, but better to ask forgiveness than permission...

Posted by: GMan at March 28, 2017 02:57 PM (sxq57)

369 352 What happened to the guy who beat Sumner?

Wasn't he just expelled from the Senate?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:52 PM (ELUpj)

They tried to but the effort failed. Mainly it was coming from MA. Brooks did resign so he could give the voters a vote for say yeah or nay on his actions. They voted him back in.

Keep in mind that the beating was in leu of dueling which would have killed Sumner. Brooks did not figure Sumner was worthy of a duel.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 02:58 PM (mpXpK)

370 >the Posse Act does not cover Acts of insurrection, which this would be.

The sad fact is that subversion of the law, conflicting EO's, and judges who ignore the Constitution have made rule of law a thing of the past...for now.

So for now, we need to use the tools the Left have created against THEM. We need to drive them out of public office, out of media, out of our educational system, and into jail where they have individually committed crimes like harboring illegals.

AFTER the system has been cleansed of the Left...and of their allies, the globalists...we can uncluster the legal system and restore Constitutional rule.

Restoring Constitutional rule can NOT be done while traitors actively subvert the process.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at March 28, 2017 02:58 PM (swEzU)

371 The media educational complex strikes again.

http://tinyurl.com/lvkecfu

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Now worse than Hitler! at March 28, 2017 02:58 PM (Nwg0u)

372 Local mayor of the nearby city says we want more illegals, we have lost so much to the suburbs that immigrants will repopulate the city. She is telling everyone, don't worry, we will ignore anything the Feds tell us to do. Putting her thumb to her nose, wiggles fingers.
Posted by: Colin at March 28, 2017 02:54 PM (odQZE)

Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv) makes it an offense for any person who -- encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law.

Conspiracy/Aiding or Abetting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(v) expressly makes it an offense to engage in a conspiracy to commit or aid or abet the commission of the foregoing offenses.

Perp walk her....

Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at March 28, 2017 02:58 PM (NgKpN)

373 California Peace Officer's Oath or Office

http://bit.ly/2ng4sv1

They're fucked. "Support & defend the US Constitution" which comes before the state constitution in the oath.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 02:58 PM (4Utw1)

374 In time, you won't be able to, citizen. Sentries
at the Sanctuary Walls will politely but firmly ensure that tourists
only peer over and into the cesspool from towers at the howling madness
within...

Posted by: General Zod at March 28, 2017 02:49 PM (Bdeb0)

Isn't that what self-driving cars are for? You can tour the Sanctuary to see the homeless in their native environment in an armored, self-driving electric bus.

Posted by: not the mama at March 28, 2017 02:59 PM (EpAnP)

375 Local mayor of the nearby city says we want more illegals, we have lost so much to the suburbs that immigrants will repopulate the city. She is telling everyone, don't worry, we will ignore anything the Feds tell us to do. Putting her thumb to her nose, wiggles fingers.

Posted by: Colin at March 28, 2017 02:54 PM (odQZE)
******************

Civilized people are leaving cities as fast as they can.

Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York are bleeding population. Chicago population diminished 66K last census.

Posted by: gNewt at March 28, 2017 02:59 PM (71o8T)

376 Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 28, 2017 02:45 PM (le7jz)

If they start arresting US Marshalls, then they are inciting Insurrection. The US Armed Forces can be used to quash armed rebellions by cities.

Overwhelming force will prevent a lot of death and tragedy in the short and long terms.

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 02:59 PM (iT57s)

377 "100% true in my sanctuary city (Seattle). There are homeless camps
everywhere. and garbage. and drugs. and crime. This city is in the
middle of an economic boom and it looks like a third world country."

Silicon Valley, too. I'm always stunned by the heaps of trash.

A local from San Jose was telling me about how he has had five murders in one year within a frighteningly short radius of his front door. Every single one a Hispanic male aged 18-35 of unreported immigration status.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2017 03:00 PM (noWW6)

378 >>>Preston Brooks resigned but had to pay some fine. He wasn't tossed out although it was tried. Still, he was reelected in a special election and then won reelection after that.

It was kinda scary that time he was the pilot but had had too much to drink too!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 28, 2017 03:01 PM (B/ae0)

379 This sanctuary city thing will be a breeze. Just TRY to take to court. Plenty of precedent to go on here...

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Ah ha ha ha ha ha hahahaha! *catches breath* ahahahahahahaha!!

Posted by: Leftist Judges from Sea to Shining Sea at March 28, 2017 03:01 PM (vg8iE)

380 369 352 What happened to the guy who beat Sumner?

Wasn't he just expelled from the Senate?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 02:52 PM (ELUpj)

They tried to but the effort failed. Mainly it was coming from MA. Brooks did resign so he could give the voters a vote for say yeah or nay on his actions. They voted him back in.

Keep in mind that the beating was in leu of dueling which would have killed Sumner. Brooks did not figure Sumner was worthy of a duel.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 02:58 PM (mpXpK)

Didn't the State Legislature choose US Senators back then? How could he be voted back in by the citizens of the state?

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 03:02 PM (iT57s)

381 Just a few observations regarding caselaw on this:

New York v. U.S. 504 US 144 (1992), states cannot be forced to take title under federal law to wastes under the 10th Amendment,
Printz v. U.S. 521 U.S. 898 (1997), sheriff could not be forced to do federal firearms background checks under the Brady Bill, 10th Amendment, and so on. States cannot be forced to do the federal government's job enforcing federal laws but they can do so voluntarily.

Regarding spending, there is a difference between forcing a state to change its laws which was the impetus in the Medicaid issue in the PPACA case and that of requiring compliance to federal laws for grants. Presumably, playing small ball in cutting law enforcement grants would probably be permissable but cutting all federal money probably not.

However, any state or local official that actively tries to obstruct federal law enforcement in doing its duty is not immune from federal criminal charges. There is a difference between passive resistance and active as a matter of law.

Posted by: whig at March 28, 2017 03:03 PM (AH98f)

382 373 California Peace Officer's Oath or Office

http://bit.ly/2ng4sv1

They're fucked. "Support & defend the US Constitution" which comes before the state constitution in the oath.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 02:58 PM (4Utw1)

Like that matters. You're talking about a state that ruled an amendment to its constitution was unconstitutional.

Posted by: buzzion at March 28, 2017 03:03 PM (z/Ubi)

383 Isn't that what self-driving cars are for? You can
tour the Sanctuary to see the homeless in their native environment in an
armored, self-driving electric bus.

Posted by: not the mama at March 28, 2017 02:59 PM (EpAnP)

Better yet...Well, sir, there's nothin' on earth like a genuine bona-fide electrified six-car monorail! What'd I say?

Posted by: Colin at March 28, 2017 03:03 PM (odQZE)

384 Posted by: GMan at March 28, 2017 02:57 PM (sxq57)

The governor of a state can request federal assistance if there is difficulty maintaining order. That was what Bush was trying to get Blanco to do after Katrina so that the feds could do more than send in the Coast Guard.*

*Both a military and a law enforcement agency.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 28, 2017 03:04 PM (hLRSq)

385 380 Didn't the State Legislature choose US Senators back then? How could he be voted back in by the citizens of the state?

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 03:02 PM (iT57s)

He was in the House, not the Senate.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 03:04 PM (mpXpK)

386 "100% true in my sanctuary city (Seattle). There are homeless camps
everywhere. and garbage. and drugs. and crime. This city is in the
middle of an economic boom and it looks like a third world country."

Silicon Valley, too. I'm always stunned by the heaps of trash.

A local from San Jose was telling me about how he has had five murders in one year within a frighteningly short radius of his front door. Every single one a Hispanic male aged 18-35 of unreported immigration status.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2017 03:00 PM (noWW6)

Don't you know progressivism? Can't you just see and smell how enlightened it is?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 03:04 PM (493sH)

387 California Peace Officer's Oath or Office

http://bit.ly/2ng4sv1

They're fucked. "Support & defend the US Constitution" which comes before the state constitution in the oath.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 02:58 PM (4Utw1)

Like that matters. You're talking about a state that ruled an amendment to its constitution was unconstitutional.
Posted by: buzzion at March 28, 2017 03:03 PM (z/Ubi)

Just means when they are arrested and start showing up in federal court, they don't have a valid legal defense.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 03:05 PM (4Utw1)

388 Vic was there and handed Brooks the cane.

Posted by: steevy at March 28, 2017 03:05 PM (r/0kC)

389 >>>>Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 28, 2017 02:45 PM (le7jz)

If they start arresting US Marshalls, then they are inciting
Insurrection. The US Armed Forces can be used to quash armed rebellions
by cities.

Overwhelming force will prevent a lot of death and tragedy in the short and long terms.
.
.
.Wow that escalated quickly. We went from send in the 82 Airborne to arrest them all to, they are arresting US Marshalls so now we can send in the 82 Airborne under the Insurrection Act in 2.3 seconds flat.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 28, 2017 03:05 PM (le7jz)

390
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Pres. Trump is now at the EPA signing an EO to roll back Barry's BS climate policies

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 02:50 PM (493sH)

More of this. And fumigate the damn building too.

Posted by: joncelli, Present at the Autopsy at March 28, 2017 02:55 PM
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Include some DDT because screw Rachel Carson.

Posted by: irright at March 28, 2017 03:06 PM (pMGkg)

391 Better yet...Well, sir, there's nothin' on earth like a genuine bona-fide electrified six-car monorail! What'd I say?
Posted by: Colin at March 28, 2017 03:03 PM (odQZE)

Is there a chance the track could bend?

Posted by: josephistan at March 28, 2017 03:06 PM (7HtZB)

392 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 03:04 PM (mpXpK)

Thanks. That explains it.

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 03:07 PM (iT57s)

393 monorail ... Monorail ... MONORAIL!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 28, 2017 03:07 PM (QQ+il)

394 "That was what Bush was trying to get Blanco to do after Katrina so that the feds could do more than send in the Coast Guard."

Of course, the reason why Blanco didn't want the feds anywhere near the Loozyana Guard command structure was the same reason people are cautious about turning over wet rocks. You know you're likely to find nasty stuff. Shred those payroll files! Quick now!

Also of course, the perpetually befuddled Dubya Bush didn't make a public issue out of this as he properly ought to have done. Instead he ended up getting Republicans stuck with the blame for Democratic delays and malfeasance. Please clap.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2017 03:07 PM (noWW6)

395 Is there a chance the track could bend?
Posted by: josephistan at March 28, 2017 03:06 PM (7HtZB)

Not on your life, my Moron friend

Posted by: No One of Consequence at March 28, 2017 03:08 PM (BXC+l)

396 386 "100% true in my sanctuary city (Seattle). There are homeless camps
everywhere. and garbage. and drugs. and crime. This city is in the
middle of an economic boom and it looks like a third world country."

Silicon Valley, too. I'm always stunned by the heaps of trash.

A local from San Jose was telling me about how he has had five murders in one year within a frighteningly short radius of his front door. Every single one a Hispanic male aged 18-35 of unreported immigration status.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2017 03:00 PM (noWW6)

Don't you know progressivism? Can't you just see and smell how enlightened it is?

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Driving down the main drag from which my street flows, it looks like a third world country in the morning - complete with African women in wrapped fabric, walking along with huge baskets on their heads....and their 500 children dragging behind that I'm supporting.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 28, 2017 03:08 PM (vg8iE)

397 394 Also of course, the perpetually befuddled Dubya Bush
didn't make a public issue out of this as he properly ought to have
done. Instead he ended up getting Republicans stuck with the blame for
Democratic delays and malfeasance. Please clap.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2017 03:07 PM (noWW6)

You can blame Karl Rove for that.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 03:08 PM (mpXpK)

398 I wouldn't mind seeing a good caning on the floor of the Senate.I can think of several deserving recipients.

Posted by: steevy at March 28, 2017 03:08 PM (r/0kC)

399 A local from San Jose was telling me about how he
has had five murders in one year within a frighteningly short radius of
his front door. Every single one a Hispanic male aged 18-35 of
unreported immigration status.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2017 03:00 PM (noWW6)

If people think we're exaggerating, watch this video (link in my name) about a bicyclist who was attacked recently while riding by one of the camps. It's really, really awful to allow people to live like this. Don't watch during your lunch break, though (barf).

Posted by: not the mama at March 28, 2017 03:08 PM (EpAnP)

400 Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 28, 2017 03:08 PM (NZu+i)

401 393 monorail ... Monorail ... MONORAIL!
Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 28, 2017 03:07 PM (QQ+il)

Were you sent here by the devil?

Posted by: buzzion at March 28, 2017 03:09 PM (z/Ubi)

402 >>>He dreamed of raping little girls, I guess.

Wow.
I can't see Jeff Sessions saying that--at, say, a press conference. I can, though, see Sean Spicer saying it, and I really, really hope he doesn't.

Posted by: m at March 28, 2017 03:09 PM (Gqgs8)

403 I find the term "non-criminal illegal"... problematic

Posted by: Bill Hedrick at March 28, 2017 03:09 PM (Q/8iA)

404 388 Vic was there and handed Brooks the cane.

Posted by: steevy at March 28, 2017 03:05 PM (r/0kC)

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE VIC IS BOTH OLD AND FROM SOUTH CAROLINA!

Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at March 28, 2017 03:09 PM (ELUpj)

405 the perpetually befuddled Dubya Bush
Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2017 03:07 PM (noWW6)
----------------------------------------
What a kind, gentle way to state...
*clap, clap*

Posted by: RioBravo at March 28, 2017 03:09 PM (SsblQ)

406 monorail ... Monorail ... MONORAIL!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 28, 2017 03:07 PM (QQ+il)

You can get antibiotics for that, can't you?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 28, 2017 03:10 PM (493sH)

407 When is Trump going to open Yucca Mountain? Or rather, the Harry Reid Nuclear Waste Repository and Orphanarium.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 28, 2017 03:10 PM (QQ+il)

408 >>>2
Put some ICE on that lip.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 28, 2017 01:28 PM (mbhDw)

Thread winner. That maybe oughta get promoted into the main text.

Posted by: m at March 28, 2017 03:10 PM (Gqgs8)

409 "No Script" will solve your problems.
Posted by: gNewt

It's not a script. It's somehow embedded in an animated gif.

Comptuters seem to ignore but smartphones can't.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 28, 2017 03:10 PM (ZFUt7)

410 as someone who lives in a "sanctuary city" Lost Angels, in a "sanctuary county" Lost Angels, in a "sanctuary state", #Failifornia, i want Uncle Sam to strangle every possible dollar from these assholes.

make the sanctimonious little whits scream for mercy...

and do it NAOW!

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 28, 2017 03:10 PM (snWFW)

411 However interesting, none of this matters. Everything has not been rolled back immediately. The "Everything that Obama Guy Said and Did Was Bullshit Act of 2017" was not passed by Congress and signed by Trump at the inaugural ball.

Doom. Failure. Malaise Forever.

s/

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Has Got it, Yeah Baby It's Got It at March 28, 2017 03:10 PM (hLRSq)

412 Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 28, 2017 03:05 PM (le7jz)

It is all hypothetical anyway.

No politician will ever be arrested over their sanctuary city laws anyway. The Right plays too nice. If it was Progressive's, they'd be happy to send in the heavies.

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 03:11 PM (iT57s)

413 407 Finally,a safe place to store Miley Cyrus's used panties.

Posted by: steevy at March 28, 2017 03:11 PM (r/0kC)

414 You can blame Karl Rove for that.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 03:08 PM (mpXpK)

I'd really like to play cards one time with Karl Rove and "W".

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 28, 2017 03:11 PM (tFWWx)

415 Sanctuary cities don't care. They will just reduce expenses by releasing all the "really not so violent compared to Manson" inmates in lockup. And blame me when they kill again.

This is why I don't go to big cities. That and the never ending panhandling.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 28, 2017 03:11 PM (FtrY1)

416 407
When is Trump going to open Yucca Mountain? Or rather, the Harry Reid Nuclear Waste Repository and Orphanarium.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 28, 2017 03:10 PM (QQ+il)

Trump has already added funding for reopening Yucca Mountain.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 03:12 PM (mpXpK)

417 401 393 monorail ... Monorail ... MONORAIL!
Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 28, 2017 03:07 PM (QQ+il)

Were you sent here by the devil?
Posted by: buzzion at March 28, 2017 03:09 PM (z/Ubi)

No good sir, I'm on the level.

Posted by: josephistan at March 28, 2017 03:12 PM (7HtZB)

418 We are still winning as long as leftists are writing shit like this.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/261005/

Posted by: steevy at March 28, 2017 03:13 PM (r/0kC)

419 415 Sanctuary cities don't care. They will just reduce expenses by releasing all the "really not so violent compared to Manson" inmates in lockup. And blame me when they kill again.

This is why I don't go to big cities. That and the never ending panhandling.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 28, 2017 03:11 PM (FtrY1)

===================

It'll be interesting to see how cities reach when they have to chose between federal dollars and keeping certain services alive like trash collection.

Virtue signaling only works when you're comfortable. Having that garbage truck miss your house for the second week in a row can do interesting things to voting behavior.

Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at March 28, 2017 03:13 PM (ELUpj)

420 The Feds can't force the Cities/States to conform to Federal Law ( Maybe, maybe not) but they sure as hell can cut off funding

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2017 03:14 PM (KlI/a)

421 Wow the NY Times just did an incredible article on voter turnout for 2016 and found out that if we had a different electorate that hillary would have won in a landslide.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 28, 2017 03:14 PM (le7jz)

422 Nood.

Joooooooos!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 28, 2017 03:14 PM (ELUpj)

423
I wouldn't mind seeing a good caning on the floor of the Senate.I can think of several deserving recipients.

__________________

Many of them are supposedly on "my side."

We really need term limits. Especially in the US Senate.

Looking at you Juan.

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2017 03:15 PM (iT57s)

424 420
The Feds can't force the Cities/States to conform to Federal Law ( Maybe, maybe not) but they sure as hell can cut off funding

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2017 03:14 PM (KlI/a)

SF gets 20% of its annual budget from the feds. That does need to stop anyway.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 03:15 PM (mpXpK)

425 The Feds can't force the Cities/States to conform to Federal Law ( Maybe, maybe not) but they sure as hell can cut off funding

Pretty much every oath of office swears allegiance to upholding the US Constitution as well as state constitutions.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 03:15 PM (4Utw1)

426
When is Trump going to open Yucca Mountain? Or rather, the Harry Reid Nuclear Waste Repository and Orphanarium.�
Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 28, 2017 03:10 PM (QQ+il)�
Trump has already added funding for reopening Yucca Mountain.�
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 03:12 PM (mpXpK)

In our electricity bills for like the past three fucking decades -- money has been collected to take spent nuke rods and transport them to Yukka.

I'm sure it's sitting in a big pile somewhere.

/s

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 28, 2017 03:18 PM (ZFUt7)

427 Get rid of ESL. The kids do better in English Immersion Classes. And if school is limited to LEGAL Immigration and Legal Visitors, there will be very little demand for ESL.
_________________________

Public schools can't exclude illegal aliens, per the Supreme Court ruling in Plyler v. Doe. The states also can't require illegal aliens to pay for the privilege of enrolling their illegal alien kids in U.S. public schools. Enrolling your illegal alien kids in taxpayer-funded U.S. public schools is the "right" of every foreigner who is willing to sneak into the U.S. (or illegally overstay their visa) -- no matter how many billions of dollars it costs local taxpayers every year.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2017 03:19 PM (riF5p)

428
377 "100% true in my sanctuary city (Seattle). There are homeless camps
everywhere. and garbage. and drugs. and crime. This city is in the
middle of an economic boom and it looks like a third world country."

Silicon Valley, too. I'm always stunned by the heaps of trash.

A local from San Jose was telling me about how he has had five murders in one year within a frighteningly short radius of his front door. Every single one a Hispanic male aged 18-35 of unreported immigration status.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2017 03:00 PM (noWW6)

Seattle. Where cleaning up one homeless camp generates 10 tons of garbage. Think a ton was old needles for injecting heroin.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 28, 2017 03:20 PM (FtrY1)

429 426

When is Trump going to open Yucca Mountain? Or rather, the Harry Reid Nuclear Waste Repository and Orphanarium.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at March 28, 2017 03:10 PM (QQ+il

Trump has already added funding for reopening Yucca Mountain.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 03:12 PM (mpXpK)

In our electricity bills for like the past three fucking decades money has been collected to take spent nuke rods and transport them to
Yukka.

I'm sure it's sitting in a big pile somewhere.

/s

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at March 28, 2017 03:18 PM (ZFUt7)

The utilities sued a few years ago and the feds lost. They had to return a bunch of the money IIANM.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 28, 2017 03:22 PM (mpXpK)

430 330 308 Including the illegal in Austin who slammed into a woman and killed her while he was blotto behind the wheel. The new female SJW sheriff in Travis County turned the guy loose rather than allow the feds to come get him. "

Can't the families sue?

I certainly would if I was that Rockville girl's mother. Or even just a parent with a daughter at the school. Isn't that "reckless endangerment?" to allow a criminal to attend class with a bunch of freshmen?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at March 28, 2017 03:26 PM (s7vJs)

431 Just don't be afraid to reach deep into the toolbox and dust off the 1807 Insurrection Act.

Time to teach the Left that open, and deliberate defiance of Federal authority has a price.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at March 28, 2017 03:27 PM (ry4ab)

432 Arrest the Mayor and city council of SF for conspiracy and aiding and abeding criminal activity... and consider them as armed and dangerous and treat them as such WHEN they resist arrest...

It will serve as a lesson for other jurisdictions...

Posted by: J Edgar at March 28, 2017 03:31 PM (DpOmP)

433 Pretty late to the thread, but I think this part is important. When Sessions made his announcement, he said that these are DOJ grants that states have to apply for. The gist of this is that they could apply all they want, the DOJ doesn't have to give them the grant.

Posted by: Old Blue release the KrakenTrump at March 28, 2017 03:32 PM (FAo3p)

434 Our local education officials, community groups, politicians are finally hammering out a plan to spend money for 2 or 3 more schools to accommodate the flood of anchor babies in our area. It will take a few years of course and I'll be long gone by the time they are built . But it will not matter and I would never send my kids back anyway. . Other new schools in the area are all quickly overrun with illegals trying to get their kids in by any means and the schools rapidly deteriorate. No amount of money will fix this.

Posted by: Ripley at March 28, 2017 03:34 PM (1BQGO)

435 Oh boy get ready for the next edition of failure theatre

Apparently funding of the federal government runs out on April 28th and Congress plans to take most of April off??

You know what that means.....

Posted by: Kreplach at March 28, 2017 03:35 PM (J7u/u)

436 .... that they won't be smart enough to pass a bill resetting budget priorities upon a 'shut-down'

Posted by: J Edgar at March 28, 2017 03:40 PM (DpOmP)

437 435 @Kreplach

Yeah. Send Obozo allies to their homes...

...and keep them there.

Got lemons?

Make lemonade.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at March 28, 2017 03:41 PM (ry4ab)

438 Grandaddy Brooks said it was well worth the $300 to get to whip Sumner's ass.

Now let's repeal Obamacare!

Posted by: Mo Brooks at March 28, 2017 03:58 PM (97XyN)

439 "Pretty late to the thread, but I think this part is important. When Sessions made his announcement, he said that these are DOJ grants that states have to apply for. The gist of this is that they could apply all they want, the DOJ doesn't have to give them the grant."

He also mentioned "clawback provisions" that could make it possible to force states to repay grants previously awarded. That could get serious.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at March 28, 2017 04:00 PM (97XyN)

440 Please let the Supreme Court set hard limits on what the federal government can force states and localities to do. As the folks who want to take power away from the federal government, we call that a gift. The shoe will be on the other foot soon enough.

Posted by: Martian Wonder at March 28, 2017 04:00 PM (h+Yef)

441 One way around this is when the states seek information on someone as with a background check or what not, require they answer a yes/no question regarding if they know a person is an illegal.

If they say yet, ICE goes in on them.

If they say no, and it later comes to light that they know the illegal was illegal, than you can go after the state/city directly by not only withholding funds, but for purgery and aiding and abetting a criminal.

Further, the DoJ can declare that states don't have to enforce Federal gun laws either!

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 28, 2017 04:18 PM (rUIbB)

442 California Peace Officer's Oath or Office

http://bit.ly/2ng4sv1

They're fucked. "Support & defend the US Constitution" which comes before the state constitution in the oath.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2017 02:58 PM (4Utw1)

Like that matters. You're talking about a state that ruled an amendment to its constitution was unconstitutional.
Posted by: buzzion at March 28, 2017 03:03 PM (z/Ubi)

Just means when they are arrested and start showing up in federal court, they don't have a valid legal defense.

Given things like the police refusing to do their jobs in Berkeley, just watching a riot unfold around them...why is it I suspect that police officers take that oath but believe themselves to be above that? Is my cynicism kicking in again?

Posted by: CatchThirtyThr33 at March 28, 2017 04:50 PM (QUhLG)

443 Honestly the best thing Jeff Sessions can do is have ICE find the city, state, and or other local governments employing illegal aliens fining them the full amount for the violation and then filing a lawsuit against them for their systematic evasion of federal law.

Posted by: SpiffTheSpaceman at March 28, 2017 05:56 PM (ZfKzG)

444 Couldn't AG prosecute city decision-makers, e.g. the mayor's, for interfering with federal investigations or sheltering criminals? If AG makes it personal this crap will stop quickly.

Posted by: Russ703 at March 28, 2017 07:53 PM (0/0uS)

445 Hey, if a guy is guilty of no more than crossing a border--and child rape--why do we have to harass him?

This is rape culture after all!

Posted by: Rape Culture Warrior at March 28, 2017 08:59 PM (2mC6G)

446 hey...Hey...HEY! This is RAPE CULTURE!

Posted by: Rape Culture Warrior at March 28, 2017 11:27 PM (JhE5a)

447 He's not trying to force states to enforce federal law - which indeed can be difficult.

He's simply saying he'll cut off federal funds, which are entirely at his discretion, if they don't.

That's pretty much how the federal government gets states to do what it wants every day, in every way, on every issue.

Posted by: Aarradin at March 29, 2017 03:30 AM (+7Wfv)

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