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2.8 Million Strong Army Invades America...How To Beat It
To Truly Beat The Bureaucrats, Trump Needs To Shut Their Agencies Down
Do Republicans really think that fewer than 5,000 appointees can win against 2.8 million federal employees who have a vested interest in absolutely nothing changing?Read the article, but this quote nails it. This is it. This has always been it. Kill the leviathan.
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Kill it with fire!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 20, 2017 11:37 AM (kTF2Z)
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I'll alert the corgis.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 20, 2017 11:37 AM (kTF2Z)
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Nuke it from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2017 11:38 AM (NJrRe)
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This hearing is a farce.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 20, 2017 11:38 AM (kTF2Z)
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Do Republicans really think that fewer than 5,000 appointees can win
against 2.8 million federal employees who have a vested interest in
absolutely nothing changing?
They can if they are 2.8M EX-employees looking for a real job.
against 2.8 million federal employees who have a vested interest in
absolutely nothing changing?
They can if they are 2.8M EX-employees looking for a real job.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 20, 2017 11:39 AM (mpXpK)
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Killing the leviathan is clear and blatant white nationalism!
Posted by: Egg McMuffin who btw is totally not gay at March 20, 2017 11:39 AM (BDZWU)
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Republicans don't want to kill these programs, they just want to be in charge of them.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 20, 2017 11:39 AM (Tnhbr)
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Government bureaucracy: You are advised to submit without further delay, for if I bring my army into your land, I will destroy your farms, slay your people, and raze your city
Trump: If.
I know whose side I want to be on for this fight.
Trump: If.
I know whose side I want to be on for this fight.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 20, 2017 11:40 AM (KUaJL)
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Over the last several years I have switched from supporting term limits for congress to supporting term limits for government bureaucrats.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at March 20, 2017 11:40 AM (2lndx)
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*insert Allen G quote here*
Posted by: Infidel at March 20, 2017 11:40 AM (uKRys)
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7 Republicans don't want to kill these programs, they just want to be in charge of them.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 20, 2017 11:39 AM (Tnhbr)
+1000
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 20, 2017 11:39 AM (Tnhbr)
+1000
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 11:40 AM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Lily Formerly of HotAir (Now from AoSHQ)assassin in the night at March 20, 2017 11:41 AM (vivhj)
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Trump's job will be made much easier since so many federal employees will be quitting in protest of his racist, fascist, sexist, homophobic policies.
Of course they will...
Of course they will...
Posted by: tu3031 at March 20, 2017 11:41 AM (qJhUV)
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I think Trump is a dirty street fighter. The Left started the war, and he will finish it. God willing.
Posted by: Jmel at March 20, 2017 11:41 AM (7cD9P)
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*de-lurks from the barrel*
Yes, Trump has to do major cuts to remove those Lefty ticks embedded in the federal system. Lois Lerner is the perfect example - a long-time fed employee who used her positions at FEC and IRS to harass citizens. She took pleasure it it. These people need to be gone.
*back to the icky barrel*
Yes, Trump has to do major cuts to remove those Lefty ticks embedded in the federal system. Lois Lerner is the perfect example - a long-time fed employee who used her positions at FEC and IRS to harass citizens. She took pleasure it it. These people need to be gone.
*back to the icky barrel*
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2017 11:41 AM (NOIQH)
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Been dreaming for years of a couple million unemployed bureaucrats. Give the bureaucrats that work the unemployment lines something to do until they get kick out too.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois at March 20, 2017 11:42 AM (d76uN)
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Republicans don't want to kill these programs, they just want to be in charge of them.
I think you misspelled "be sure they don't threaten their own sinecures" as "be in charge of them".
I think you misspelled "be sure they don't threaten their own sinecures" as "be in charge of them".
Posted by: mikeski at March 20, 2017 11:43 AM (nWUTy)
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Good luck with that.
Posted by: ALH at March 20, 2017 11:43 AM (uLuPn)
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Government Bureaucrats: Our arrows will block out the sun!
Trump: Then I will fight in the shade.
Trump: Then I will fight in the shade.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 20, 2017 11:44 AM (KUaJL)
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Aside from the overall leftyism, there's a lot of redundancy. I would love to see Trump take a giant whack at it.
It's a lot easier to grow the government than shrink it though.
*throws down a ladder for Lizzy*
It's a lot easier to grow the government than shrink it though.
*throws down a ladder for Lizzy*
Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2017 11:45 AM (sBOL1)
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7 Republicans don't want to kill these programs, they just want to be in charge of them.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 20, 2017 11:39 AM (Tnhbr)
+1000
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 11:40 AM (NgKpN)
This. So much this.
Our eyes have been opened (mine anyways). The GOP-e has zero interest in doing the conservative proposals we heard during their campaigns. We were fed (and yes - we gladly ate it all up) these lies so they could get into power. Nothing more - but gain power. Now that they have it (temporarily), they don't want to kill the Leviathan, they want it to change its allegiance.
7 Republicans don't want to kill these programs, they just want to be in charge of them.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 20, 2017 11:39 AM (Tnhbr)
+1000
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 11:40 AM (NgKpN)
This. So much this.
Our eyes have been opened (mine anyways). The GOP-e has zero interest in doing the conservative proposals we heard during their campaigns. We were fed (and yes - we gladly ate it all up) these lies so they could get into power. Nothing more - but gain power. Now that they have it (temporarily), they don't want to kill the Leviathan, they want it to change its allegiance.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 20, 2017 11:45 AM (jxbfJ)
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The problem is, we don't really have a conservative majority in Congress.
We largely do in the House, but the Senate is basically left leaning.
But had we been able to secure a handful more Senate seats, we could kill these agencies and it would be very difficult for Democrats to reanimate them unless they took every branch of government.
We largely do in the House, but the Senate is basically left leaning.
But had we been able to secure a handful more Senate seats, we could kill these agencies and it would be very difficult for Democrats to reanimate them unless they took every branch of government.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 11:45 AM (9cYRJ)
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7 Republicans don't want to kill these programs, they just want to be in charge of them.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 20, 2017 11:39 AM (Tnhbr)
This is it. This has always been it.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 20, 2017 11:39 AM (Tnhbr)
This is it. This has always been it.
Posted by: rickl at March 20, 2017 11:45 AM (zoehZ)
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Republicans don't want to kill these programs, they just want to be in charge of them.
I think you misspelled "be sure they don't threaten their own sinecures" as "be in charge of them".
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THIS.
I think you misspelled "be sure they don't threaten their own sinecures" as "be in charge of them".
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THIS.
Posted by: shibumi at March 20, 2017 11:46 AM (FkAXz)
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2.8 million folks whom i never have met want to have control of most aspects of my life.
Fuck that.
Fuck that.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 20, 2017 11:47 AM (2x9LM)
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SWEEP THE LEG!
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 11:47 AM (ul9CR)
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The short answer is, you don't.
Posted by: Chupacabra at March 20, 2017 11:47 AM (Smm/k)
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22
The problem is, we don't really have a conservative majority in Congress.
We largely do in the House, but the Senate is basically left leaning.
But had we been able to secure a handful more Senate seats, we could
kill these agencies and it would be very difficult for Democrats to
reanimate them unless they took every branch of government.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 11:45 AM (9cYRJ)
We don't in the House either. We have an RNCe majority, few of them are real conservatives. Most are like that Devin Nunes asshole from CA that was on Piss Wallace Sunday. A hardcore DIABLO.
The problem is, we don't really have a conservative majority in Congress.
We largely do in the House, but the Senate is basically left leaning.
But had we been able to secure a handful more Senate seats, we could
kill these agencies and it would be very difficult for Democrats to
reanimate them unless they took every branch of government.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 11:45 AM (9cYRJ)
We don't in the House either. We have an RNCe majority, few of them are real conservatives. Most are like that Devin Nunes asshole from CA that was on Piss Wallace Sunday. A hardcore DIABLO.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 20, 2017 11:48 AM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Chris Hayes at March 20, 2017 11:48 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 11:48 AM (ul9CR)
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2.8 million folks whom i never have met..."
And they have no desire to either meet nor listen to you.
Just to nudge you.
And they have no desire to either meet nor listen to you.
Just to nudge you.
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 20, 2017 11:48 AM (MINbv)
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In the world to come, the saints feast on the flesh of leviathan, if you believe the pseudepigraphia....
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at March 20, 2017 11:49 AM (CPk08)
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bear in mind that universities are churning out sociology, gender studies, race studies etc. graduates who have nothing else to do but join the govt.
the social justice warriors of today's campuses are tomorrow's bureaucratic regulators.
the social justice warriors of today's campuses are tomorrow's bureaucratic regulators.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 20, 2017 11:49 AM (WTSFk)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 11:49 AM (ul9CR)
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RE: Republican politicians: they might go in conservative, like a caterpillar.
However, after a very short time in the Swamp, they morph into a Deep State Butterfly.
There are a few that have avoided this process, but most turn.
/democrats turn into Deep State Butterflies before they run for any office.
However, after a very short time in the Swamp, they morph into a Deep State Butterfly.
There are a few that have avoided this process, but most turn.
/democrats turn into Deep State Butterflies before they run for any office.
Posted by: shibumi at March 20, 2017 11:49 AM (FkAXz)
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Republicans don't want to kill these programs, they just want to be in charge of them.
They can do it so much better, you see.
They can do it so much better, you see.
Posted by: Darth Ukelele at March 20, 2017 11:50 AM (oVJmc)
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What just happened to Jay?
Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2017 11:50 AM (sBOL1)
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30
But had we been able to secure a handful more Senate seats
Fuck Kelly Ayotte in particular.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 11:48 AM (ul9CR)
But she was a GOP-e RINO anyways. OK, we lost a Republican seat. But we got rid of one RINO.
But had we been able to secure a handful more Senate seats
Fuck Kelly Ayotte in particular.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 11:48 AM (ul9CR)
But she was a GOP-e RINO anyways. OK, we lost a Republican seat. But we got rid of one RINO.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 20, 2017 11:50 AM (jxbfJ)
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A modest proposal:
When a crappy commiecrat government program is shut down, tell the "employees" in it that they can stay home and they *will continue* to receive their paychecks for x number of years, which will give them time to take up spaces in the existing civil service that will open up by attrition, so long as they don't stand in the way.
We still save the overhead and the reduced Deep State.
The Civil Servants lose their vested interest in keeping their lame department or bureau alive.
When a crappy commiecrat government program is shut down, tell the "employees" in it that they can stay home and they *will continue* to receive their paychecks for x number of years, which will give them time to take up spaces in the existing civil service that will open up by attrition, so long as they don't stand in the way.
We still save the overhead and the reduced Deep State.
The Civil Servants lose their vested interest in keeping their lame department or bureau alive.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 11:50 AM (ujg0T)
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25 2.8 million folks whom i never have met want to have control of most aspects of my life.
Fuck that.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 20, 2017 11:47 AM (2x9LM)
Yep.... this country is run by unelected bureaucrats, and unelected Judges....
We have not lived in a Republic for a long time.
Fuck that.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 20, 2017 11:47 AM (2x9LM)
Yep.... this country is run by unelected bureaucrats, and unelected Judges....
We have not lived in a Republic for a long time.
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 11:51 AM (NgKpN)
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Maybe if PDT fires a lot of federal affirmative action employees they will go to Mexico to cut grass and hang sheetrock?
Posted by: Eromero at March 20, 2017 11:51 AM (zLDYs)
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I think we need to be realistic and recognize that we only make budgets for these employees, hold a majority in Congress, and have an (R) president. Without 70 seats in the Senate, there is little to nothing that can be done about this otherwise honorable entrenched waste of taxpayer dollars except possibly an expansion of these agencies and departments. And maybe Medicaid, too.
And don't forget to send us campaign contributions for 2018! Help us get to 70 so we can try to discuss accomplishing something!
And don't forget to send us campaign contributions for 2018! Help us get to 70 so we can try to discuss accomplishing something!
Posted by: Congressional Republicans at March 20, 2017 11:53 AM (/f1mm)
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You will never convince a person to understand something when his salary depends on him NOT understanding it.
- somebody smarter than me
- somebody smarter than me
Posted by: McCool at March 20, 2017 11:53 AM (KvRqW)
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Fuck Kelly Ayotte in particular.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 11:48 AM (ul9CR)
Done!
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 11:48 AM (ul9CR)
Done!
Posted by: Maggie Hassan at March 20, 2017 11:53 AM (CPk08)
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Impossible from inside. My first impulse is to believe that change will have to be initiated at the states level, and require some level of confrontation.
Posted by: Javems at March 20, 2017 11:54 AM (yOqwj)
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"Maybe if PDT fires a lot of federal affirmative action employees they will go to Mexico to cut grass and hang sheetrock?"
Lionel Twain is ready to help them across the border.
Lionel Twain is ready to help them across the border.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at March 20, 2017 11:54 AM (CuBRr)
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37 What just happened to Jay?
Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2017 11:50 AM (sBOL1)
Good question!
Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2017 11:50 AM (sBOL1)
Good question!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 11:54 AM (SRKgf)
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The Gorsuch hearings are under way. Judge Gorsuch is it true that you're a Nazi and want to kill womyn, minorities, gays, trannies and illegals and then give all of their money to the rich?
The Gorsuch hearings are under way. Judge Gorsuch is it true that you're a Nazi and want to kill womyn, minorities, gays, trannies and illegals and then give all of their money to the rich?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 20, 2017 11:54 AM (493sH)
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We don't in the House either. We have an RNCe majority, few of them are real conservatives. Most are like that Devin Nunes asshole from CA that was on Piss Wallace Sunday. A hardcore DIABLO.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
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I think an straight ObamaCare repeal could sail through the House, it's the Senate that is the big stumbling block.
There's obviously RINOs in the House, but the way districts are carved up with gerrymandering, a Republican is more likely to lose their GOP primary than get beat by a Democrat, so they usually listen to the base.
The GOP leadership in the House though is definitely RINO.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party
________
I think an straight ObamaCare repeal could sail through the House, it's the Senate that is the big stumbling block.
There's obviously RINOs in the House, but the way districts are carved up with gerrymandering, a Republican is more likely to lose their GOP primary than get beat by a Democrat, so they usually listen to the base.
The GOP leadership in the House though is definitely RINO.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 11:55 AM (9cYRJ)
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I don't like Peter King at all but at least he's bringing good shit up.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 20, 2017 11:55 AM (nDcc3)
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I will gladly hire some of these displaced federal people to fetch my mail, now the lawn, and when needed, snake out a toilet. I think most of them can handle that.
Posted by: Under Fire at March 20, 2017 11:55 AM (6LwXe)
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Poor Lizzy..why are you in the barrel? Hope you brought some Lysol with you.
Posted by: IC at March 20, 2017 11:55 AM (a0IVu)
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37 What just happened to Jay?
Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2017 11:50 AM (sBOL1)
Am I an unperson now?
Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2017 11:50 AM (sBOL1)
Am I an unperson now?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 11:55 AM (SRKgf)
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Kill the leviathan? Fuck that.
Posted by: NeverTrump True Conservatives at March 20, 2017 11:55 AM (BDZWU)
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9 A modest proposal:
When a crappy commiecrat government program is shut down, tell the "employees" in it that they can stay home and they *will continue* to receive their paychecks for x number of years, which will give them time to take up spaces in the existing civil service that will open up by attrition, so long as they don't stand in the way.
We still save the overhead and the reduced Deep State.
The Civil Servants lose their vested interest in keeping their lame department or bureau alive.
Posted by: Curmudgeon
___________
Much more doable. Or transfer them all to the new federal bureaucracy HQ in El Centro, California.
When a crappy commiecrat government program is shut down, tell the "employees" in it that they can stay home and they *will continue* to receive their paychecks for x number of years, which will give them time to take up spaces in the existing civil service that will open up by attrition, so long as they don't stand in the way.
We still save the overhead and the reduced Deep State.
The Civil Servants lose their vested interest in keeping their lame department or bureau alive.
Posted by: Curmudgeon
___________
Much more doable. Or transfer them all to the new federal bureaucracy HQ in El Centro, California.
Posted by: Furious George at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (j+dfT)
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48
The Gorsuch hearings are under way.
Worse the Comey hearings are going on.. What a slime Comey is... Can't He be fired?
The Gorsuch hearings are under way.
Worse the Comey hearings are going on.. What a slime Comey is... Can't He be fired?
Posted by: It's Me donna at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (O2RFr)
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create a gofundme type site that is to support bureaucrats.
all their wages comes from voluntary donations
as an incentive, 50% tax-deductible donation for donor
adopt a fed paoer pusher
all their wages comes from voluntary donations
as an incentive, 50% tax-deductible donation for donor
adopt a fed paoer pusher
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (Om16U)
Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (sBOL1)
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What just happened to Jay?
Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2017 11:50 AM (sBOL1)
The Bears didn't resign him
Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2017 11:50 AM (sBOL1)
The Bears didn't resign him
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 20, 2017 11:57 AM (493sH)
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paper pusher
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 20, 2017 11:57 AM (Om16U)
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Much more doable. Or transfer them all to the new federal bureaucracy HQ in El Centro, California.
Posted by: Furious George at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (j+dfT)
Needles, CA would be perfect. Oh, and we won't have AC. Global warming, you know. We all have to do our part, right?
Posted by: Furious George at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (j+dfT)
Needles, CA would be perfect. Oh, and we won't have AC. Global warming, you know. We all have to do our part, right?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 11:57 AM (SRKgf)
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I think an straight ObamaCare repeal could sail through the House, it's the Senate that is the big stumbling block.
There's obviously RINOs in the House, but the way districts are carved up with gerrymandering, a Republican is more likely to lose their GOP primary than get beat by a Democrat, so they usually listen to the base.
The GOP leadership in the House though is definitely RINO.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 11:55 AM (9cYRJ)
It could sail through the Senate too... because the GOPe Senate would know that their NEXT election prospects may very well be decided by that vote...
They would try to play games of course... and as now tell us they 'CAN'T' do if for some esoteric reason....
But make them take the damn vote.
There's obviously RINOs in the House, but the way districts are carved up with gerrymandering, a Republican is more likely to lose their GOP primary than get beat by a Democrat, so they usually listen to the base.
The GOP leadership in the House though is definitely RINO.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 11:55 AM (9cYRJ)
It could sail through the Senate too... because the GOPe Senate would know that their NEXT election prospects may very well be decided by that vote...
They would try to play games of course... and as now tell us they 'CAN'T' do if for some esoteric reason....
But make them take the damn vote.
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 11:58 AM (NgKpN)
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Hey, look on the bright side.
Gimme just a few I'll see if I can find it for ya.
Gimme just a few I'll see if I can find it for ya.
Posted by: teej at March 20, 2017 11:58 AM (6CZio)
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An unfire-able bureaucratic class? Gee, its almost like that might be a major part of the problem.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2017 11:58 AM (oVJmc)
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I fear Gorsuch is going to be another Souter. His judicial record on immigration is all the hell over the place.
Posted by: Captain FartsStorm at March 20, 2017 11:58 AM (NGRTR)
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The only work bureaucrats do is the work of protecting their jobs.
And the work of effing up non-bureaucrat's work.
And the work of effing up non-bureaucrat's work.
Posted by: Dang at March 20, 2017 11:58 AM (8b+oT)
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new fed hires - prioritize vets and vet widows
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 20, 2017 11:58 AM (Om16U)
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Cancel all stapler purchases.
Ever go into a government agency and note the number of staplers? Cancel those and it will crumble.
Ever go into a government agency and note the number of staplers? Cancel those and it will crumble.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 20, 2017 11:58 AM (cHmL0)
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Take away the trough. No pensions. Salary cap at median w2income. All taxes sunset after 10 years.
Posted by: Lord Sir x at March 20, 2017 11:59 AM (nFwvY)
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58 Jay, you're sticking around now.
Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (sBOL1)
Yep. I realized I was using a Hoxx VPN server, so I shut it off, and the problem seems to be gone.
Posted by: bluebell at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (sBOL1)
Yep. I realized I was using a Hoxx VPN server, so I shut it off, and the problem seems to be gone.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 11:59 AM (SRKgf)
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But had we been able to secure a handful more Senate seats
Fuck Kelly Ayotte in particular.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 11:48 AM (ul9CR)
But she was a GOP-e RINO anyways. OK, we lost a Republican seat. But we got rid of one RINO.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
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Part of me is glad the real vocal NeverTrumpers lost, but at the same time, I think some of these votes could have been useful on some issues. The Democrats that won are never going to throw a single vote our way.
I also think these kamikaze moves cost both the Senate elections in their respective states and caused Trump to lose the state itself. Had Ayotte not basically insinuated Trump was a child molester, he probably would have won New Hampshire.
I was hoping that would be a good lesson, but Republicans are still operating under the belief they can sink Trump and somehow escape unscathed.
Fuck Kelly Ayotte in particular.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 11:48 AM (ul9CR)
But she was a GOP-e RINO anyways. OK, we lost a Republican seat. But we got rid of one RINO.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
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Part of me is glad the real vocal NeverTrumpers lost, but at the same time, I think some of these votes could have been useful on some issues. The Democrats that won are never going to throw a single vote our way.
I also think these kamikaze moves cost both the Senate elections in their respective states and caused Trump to lose the state itself. Had Ayotte not basically insinuated Trump was a child molester, he probably would have won New Hampshire.
I was hoping that would be a good lesson, but Republicans are still operating under the belief they can sink Trump and somehow escape unscathed.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 11:59 AM (9cYRJ)
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I will gladly hire some of these displaced federal people to fetch my mail, now the lawn, and when needed, snake out a toilet. I think most of them can handle that.
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hahahahaha.
you vastly overestimate their abilities.
however, if you need someone to transfer papers in a stack into a different stack, well, that would work. Also, pretty sure they can destroy your electronics with a hammer.
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hahahahaha.
you vastly overestimate their abilities.
however, if you need someone to transfer papers in a stack into a different stack, well, that would work. Also, pretty sure they can destroy your electronics with a hammer.
Posted by: shibumi at March 20, 2017 11:59 AM (FkAXz)
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65 I fear Gorsuch is going to be another Souter. His judicial record on immigration is all the hell over the place.
Posted by: Captain FartsStorm
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Trump needs to eminent domain that wormy little prick out of his house.
Posted by: Captain FartsStorm
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Trump needs to eminent domain that wormy little prick out of his house.
Posted by: Furious George at March 20, 2017 11:59 AM (j+dfT)
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Worse the Comey hearings are going on.. What a slime Comey is... Can't He be fired?
It's only been done once in history. Bill Clinton did it.
Which the MFM will immediately forget all about if it comes to PDT having to dismiss J Edgar Comey.
It's only been done once in history. Bill Clinton did it.
Which the MFM will immediately forget all about if it comes to PDT having to dismiss J Edgar Comey.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 11:59 AM (ul9CR)
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The Gorsuch hearings are under way. Judge Gorsuch is it true that you're a Nazi and want to kill womyn, minorities, gays, trannies and illegals and then give all of their money to the rich?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 20, 2017 11:54 AM (493sH)
Judge Gorsuch, when did you stop beating your wife?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 20, 2017 11:54 AM (493sH)
Judge Gorsuch, when did you stop beating your wife?
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 12:00 PM (NgKpN)
76
Now Schiff is asking Comey if Russia would prefer a candidate who would favor Brexit.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 20, 2017 12:00 PM (7uYFy)
77
Just cutoff their internet prOm access. They'll resign in droves.
Posted by: Under Fire at March 20, 2017 12:00 PM (6LwXe)
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You aren't getting a significant, much less wholesale, reduction in the federal workforce without strong support in Congress. Good luck with that.
In any case, the best you can hope for is a reduction by attrition and some marginal trimming of small agencies.
In any case, the best you can hope for is a reduction by attrition and some marginal trimming of small agencies.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 20, 2017 12:00 PM (hCoZK)
Posted by: shibumi at March 20, 2017 12:00 PM (FkAXz)
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Much more doable. Or transfer them all to the new federal bureaucracy HQ in El Centro, California.
Posted by: Furious George at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (j+dfT)
I've long been an advocate for moving every federal employee out of the DC/NoVA area and spreading them around the rest of the country. It makes sense from a national defense standpoint (no way to cripple the government with a single strike) as well as make federal jobs less appealing. Working in DC is a lot more appealing than working in the EPA headquarters in North Dakota.
Posted by: Furious George at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (j+dfT)
I've long been an advocate for moving every federal employee out of the DC/NoVA area and spreading them around the rest of the country. It makes sense from a national defense standpoint (no way to cripple the government with a single strike) as well as make federal jobs less appealing. Working in DC is a lot more appealing than working in the EPA headquarters in North Dakota.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 20, 2017 12:01 PM (Tnhbr)
Posted by: Infidel at March 20, 2017 12:01 PM (uKRys)
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Besides her other sins, Ayotte lost by what, a couple hundred votes? And immediately conceded. No fight at all.
Would any Dem, ever, give in with that close of a margin?
Would any Dem, ever, give in with that close of a margin?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 12:01 PM (ul9CR)
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72 I will gladly hire some of these displaced federal people to fetch my mail, now the lawn, and when needed, snake out a toilet. I think most of them can handle that.
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hahahahaha.
you vastly overestimate their abilities.
however, if you need someone to transfer papers in a stack into a different stack, well, that would work. Also, pretty sure they can destroy your electronics with a hammer.
Posted by: shibumi at March 20, 2017 11:59 AM (FkAXz)
You could hire some affirmative action ex-housemaid to run your IT system. I hear they're great at security.
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hahahahaha.
you vastly overestimate their abilities.
however, if you need someone to transfer papers in a stack into a different stack, well, that would work. Also, pretty sure they can destroy your electronics with a hammer.
Posted by: shibumi at March 20, 2017 11:59 AM (FkAXz)
You could hire some affirmative action ex-housemaid to run your IT system. I hear they're great at security.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:01 PM (SRKgf)
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77
Just cutoff their internet prOm access. They'll resign in droves.
Posted by: Under Fire at March 20, 2017 12:00 PM (6LwXe)
I would say ration their toilet paper but then I remembered we are talking about folks who poop in hallways of federal buildings...
Just cutoff their internet prOm access. They'll resign in droves.
Posted by: Under Fire at March 20, 2017 12:00 PM (6LwXe)
I would say ration their toilet paper but then I remembered we are talking about folks who poop in hallways of federal buildings...
Posted by: IC at March 20, 2017 12:01 PM (a0IVu)
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It could sail through the Senate too... because the GOPe Senate would know that their NEXT election prospects may very well be decided by that vote...
They would try to play games of course... and as now tell us they 'CAN'T' do if for some esoteric reason....
But make them take the damn vote.
Posted by: Don Q.
_______
Senators know they are pretty invincible and 6 years is an eternity.
If Senators were up every 2 years like House members, you wouldn't see people like McCain and Graham pull these stunts. They'd be long gone.
McCain does this where around election time a low info voter would swear he was positively right-wing. "Build the Dang Fence!!!" etc.
They would try to play games of course... and as now tell us they 'CAN'T' do if for some esoteric reason....
But make them take the damn vote.
Posted by: Don Q.
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Senators know they are pretty invincible and 6 years is an eternity.
If Senators were up every 2 years like House members, you wouldn't see people like McCain and Graham pull these stunts. They'd be long gone.
McCain does this where around election time a low info voter would swear he was positively right-wing. "Build the Dang Fence!!!" etc.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:01 PM (9cYRJ)
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The Gorsuch hearings are under way. Judge Gorsuch is it true that you're a Nazi and want to kill womyn, minorities, gays, trannies and illegals and then give all of their money to the rich?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 20, 2017 11:54 AM (493sH)
My standard answer to any scumbag democrat would always be THIS-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25_5aBnMHwA
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 20, 2017 11:54 AM (493sH)
My standard answer to any scumbag democrat would always be THIS-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25_5aBnMHwA
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 20, 2017 12:01 PM (aMlLZ)
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Judge Gorsuch, when did you stop beating your wife?
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 12:00 PM (NgKpN)
The proper response to that question is:
"The day I started fucking yours."
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 12:00 PM (NgKpN)
The proper response to that question is:
"The day I started fucking yours."
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 20, 2017 12:01 PM (Tnhbr)
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Unleash the me!
SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY One night only, two timeliss titans clash in a battle for civilization itself! The Runble in the Rotunda! The Kerfuffle in the Capitol! The Skirmish in the Senate!
Two sea-monsters enter, one leaves!
Get your tickets now! You'll get the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge!
SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY One night only, two timeliss titans clash in a battle for civilization itself! The Runble in the Rotunda! The Kerfuffle in the Capitol! The Skirmish in the Senate!
Two sea-monsters enter, one leaves!
Get your tickets now! You'll get the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge!
Posted by: The Kraken at March 20, 2017 12:02 PM (Un0bN)
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82 Besides her other sins, Ayotte lost by what, a couple hundred votes? And immediately conceded. No fight at all.
Would any Dem, ever, give in with that close of a margin?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 12:01 PM (ul9CR)
Heh.
Would any Dem, ever, give in with that close of a margin?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 12:01 PM (ul9CR)
Heh.
Posted by: Al Franken at March 20, 2017 12:02 PM (KUaJL)
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>>I've long been an advocate for moving every federal employee out of the
DC/NoVA area and spreading them around the rest of the country.
Think CO has the highest concentration (or one of the highest) of federal employees outside of the DC/NoVa area.
DC/NoVA area and spreading them around the rest of the country.
Think CO has the highest concentration (or one of the highest) of federal employees outside of the DC/NoVa area.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2017 12:02 PM (NOIQH)
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I've long been an advocate for moving every federal employee out of the
DC/NoVA area and spreading them around the rest of the country. It
makes sense from a national defense standpoint (no way to cripple the
government with a single strike)
Actually, that's a good argument for keeping all close together.
DC/NoVA area and spreading them around the rest of the country. It
makes sense from a national defense standpoint (no way to cripple the
government with a single strike)
Actually, that's a good argument for keeping all close together.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:02 PM (SRKgf)
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I'm willing to compromise. Employment for life AND term limits.
Posted by: Lord Sir Carousel at March 20, 2017 12:02 PM (nFwvY)
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Much more doable. Or transfer them all to the new federal bureaucracy HQ in El Centro, California.
Posted by: Furious George at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (j+dfT)
Fun and joke aside, I actually know "Civil Cervix" people in my home State of CA, and the vast majority of them would be happy to take a deal that shuts down a crappy program if they can continue to collect their paycheck from it, without a fuss.
I realize some of you will think that is unfair, but do you want to defang your opposition, or not?
Posted by: Furious George at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (j+dfT)
Fun and joke aside, I actually know "Civil Cervix" people in my home State of CA, and the vast majority of them would be happy to take a deal that shuts down a crappy program if they can continue to collect their paycheck from it, without a fuss.
I realize some of you will think that is unfair, but do you want to defang your opposition, or not?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (ujg0T)
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82 Besides her other sins, Ayotte lost by what, a couple hundred votes? And immediately conceded. No fight at all.
Would any Dem, ever, give in with that close of a margin?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 12:01 PM (ul9CR)
Hell, that's barely a two car trunk margin.
Would any Dem, ever, give in with that close of a margin?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 20, 2017 12:01 PM (ul9CR)
Hell, that's barely a two car trunk margin.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (SRKgf)
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82 Yeah,but she knew that if they recounted the Dem lead would only get bigger.
Posted by: steevy at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (r/0kC)
Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (qoAfa)
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Bureaucrat solution: Rape them to death, eat their flesh, sew their skins into our clothing, in the order of your preference.
Posted by: Lurking Moron at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (1L9V9)
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Judge Gorsuch, how does the blood of innocents taste?
Posted by: Impartial Senator at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (oVJmc)
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Think CO has the highest concentration (or one of the highest) of federal employees outside of the DC/NoVa area.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2017 12:02 PM (NOIQH)
Interesting. Not surprising, since we have military bases, intelligence facilities, and some other government agencies with major presences here.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2017 12:02 PM (NOIQH)
Interesting. Not surprising, since we have military bases, intelligence facilities, and some other government agencies with major presences here.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (Tnhbr)
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Fun and joke aside, I actually know "Civil Cervix" people in my home State of CA, and the vast majority of them would be happy to take a deal that shuts down a crappy program if they can continue to collect their paycheck from it, without a fuss.
I realize some of you will think that is unfair, but do you want to defang your opposition, or not?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (ujg0T)
OK. But they shouldn't get the whole paycheck. We need to figure out the minimum that would work.
I realize some of you will think that is unfair, but do you want to defang your opposition, or not?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (ujg0T)
OK. But they shouldn't get the whole paycheck. We need to figure out the minimum that would work.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:04 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Al Franken's Car Trunk at March 20, 2017 12:04 PM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: Robert Crawford at March 20, 2017 12:04 PM (CuBRr)
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Much more doable. Or transfer them all to the new federal bureaucracy HQ in El Centro, California.
Posted by: Furious George at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (j+dfT)
Apparently there is a shortage of iron meteorites in Antarctica. Send them all there with metal detectors and warm boots. But not too warm.
Posted by: Furious George at March 20, 2017 11:56 AM (j+dfT)
Apparently there is a shortage of iron meteorites in Antarctica. Send them all there with metal detectors and warm boots. But not too warm.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 20, 2017 12:05 PM (WDdjT)
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Bureaucrat solution: Rape them to death, eat their flesh, sew their skins into our clothing, in the order of your preference.
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1. I don't think you can rape whores to death.
2. Pretty sure they not edible
3. Their skins are probably toxic, so you couldn't make them into usable clothes for people or house pets.
/can't we just send them all to japan, to fix fukishima?
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1. I don't think you can rape whores to death.
2. Pretty sure they not edible
3. Their skins are probably toxic, so you couldn't make them into usable clothes for people or house pets.
/can't we just send them all to japan, to fix fukishima?
Posted by: shibumi at March 20, 2017 12:05 PM (FkAXz)
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97 Bureaucrat solution: Rape them to death, eat their flesh, sew their skins into our clothing, in the order of your preference.
Posted by: Lurking Moron at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (1L9V9)
Doubt they could pull a Crazy Ivan either.
Posted by: Lurking Moron at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (1L9V9)
Doubt they could pull a Crazy Ivan either.
Posted by: Mal Reynolds at March 20, 2017 12:06 PM (72PAC)
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OT, but I thought it was hilarious.
"Racist Fliers Make Their Way Onto University Of Maryland's Campus"
Read all about these racist pamphlets at:
www dot ebony dot com/news-views/
maryland-college-park-racist-fliers
"Racist Fliers Make Their Way Onto University Of Maryland's Campus"
Read all about these racist pamphlets at:
www dot ebony dot com/news-views/
maryland-college-park-racist-fliers
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:06 PM (/f1mm)
Posted by: Limey at March 20, 2017 12:07 PM (jn70w)
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 20, 2017 12:07 PM (Om16U)
109
Do Republicans really think that fewer than 5,000 appointees can win against 2.8 million federal employees who have a vested interest in absolutely nothing changing?
...............
When those 5000 appointees are in positions of power over those 2.8 million? yes. We should demand that Trump appointees "win".
This is ridiculous.
We need to punish leakers - hard. We need to fire subversives. We need to prosecute those in gov't involved in illegal acts.
If your only hope is to shut down every department in the US government, then you have already admitted defeat. Fuck. That.
...............
When those 5000 appointees are in positions of power over those 2.8 million? yes. We should demand that Trump appointees "win".
This is ridiculous.
We need to punish leakers - hard. We need to fire subversives. We need to prosecute those in gov't involved in illegal acts.
If your only hope is to shut down every department in the US government, then you have already admitted defeat. Fuck. That.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 20, 2017 12:07 PM (so+oy)
110
I don't think sending federal workers out into red states is such a great deal for the locals. I am much more on board with just cutting back and letting the Lefty tool fed workers like Lois Lerner deal with their unemployment in their own dang state.
Why spend good money inviting the enemy* into your state when you can leave them in DC/MD.NoVA?
*Obviously, not all federal employees are Lefty tools, and none of my derision applies to any 'rons and 'ettes currently employed by the government.
Why spend good money inviting the enemy* into your state when you can leave them in DC/MD.NoVA?
*Obviously, not all federal employees are Lefty tools, and none of my derision applies to any 'rons and 'ettes currently employed by the government.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2017 12:08 PM (NOIQH)
111
Or transfer them all to the new federal bureaucracy HQ in El Centro, California.
In the brand new, carbon-neutral, ultra-green facility that does not have A/C.
In the brand new, carbon-neutral, ultra-green facility that does not have A/C.
Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 20, 2017 12:08 PM (qoAfa)
112
Freeze all federal wages.
Freeze all federal hiring.
Absolutely no bonuses for civil service employees.
All civil service employees, including congress and staff required to be part of whatever healthcare law instituted.
Only just beginning
Only just a start
Freeze all federal hiring.
Absolutely no bonuses for civil service employees.
All civil service employees, including congress and staff required to be part of whatever healthcare law instituted.
Only just beginning
Only just a start
Posted by: teej at March 20, 2017 12:08 PM (6CZio)
113
Fun and joke aside, I actually know "Civil Cervix" people in my home State of CA, and the vast majority of them would be happy to take a deal that shuts down a crappy program if they can continue to collect their paycheck from it, without a fuss.
I realize some of you will think that is unfair, but do you want to defang your opposition, or not?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (ujg0T)
So, your solution is to take MY hard earned money, and use it to pay people for doing nothing...
I think there already is a program for that... called ... Unemployment Insurance...
I realize some of you will think that is unfair, but do you want to defang your opposition, or not?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (ujg0T)
So, your solution is to take MY hard earned money, and use it to pay people for doing nothing...
I think there already is a program for that... called ... Unemployment Insurance...
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 12:08 PM (NgKpN)
114
I have not been watching these hearings...has anyone? What's going on. It appears from the little I see that Comey is an asshole
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:08 PM (KlI/a)
115
Incorporate manual labor into their job descriptions. Call it community services...35 hours per week.
Posted by: Under Fire at March 20, 2017 12:08 PM (6LwXe)
Posted by: EVLINC! at March 20, 2017 12:09 PM (y3aQB)
117
Its always come down to this. Unelected millions who outlast presidents, are protected by unions, and who will only give up power with a brutal, bloody fight.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2017 12:09 PM (39g3+)
118
or get reassigned to building The Wall.
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 20, 2017 12:07 PM (Om16U)
Now that, I would love to go watch.
What a monstrous clusterfuck. ...... but funny!
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 20, 2017 12:07 PM (Om16U)
Now that, I would love to go watch.
What a monstrous clusterfuck. ...... but funny!
Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at March 20, 2017 12:09 PM (qoAfa)
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:09 PM (/f1mm)
120
I have not been watching these hearings...has anyone? What's going on.
It appears from the little I see that Comey is an asshole
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:08 PM (KlI/a)
Yes. Also, a type of weasel.
I have not been watching these hearings...has anyone? What's going on.
It appears from the little I see that Comey is an asshole
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:08 PM (KlI/a)
Yes. Also, a type of weasel.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2017 12:10 PM (PY9jH)
121
or get reassigned to building The Wall.
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 20, 2017 12:07 PM (Om16U)
I actually want the wall to get built though....
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 20, 2017 12:07 PM (Om16U)
I actually want the wall to get built though....
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 20, 2017 12:10 PM (KUaJL)
122
So, knowing that they can't comment on anything, the dems are just gonna fling every wild accusation out there. This is infuriating. Fuck this.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 20, 2017 12:11 PM (kTF2Z)
123
Its always come down to this. Unelected millions who outlast presidents, are protected by unions, and who will only give up power with a brutal, bloody fight.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2017 12:09 PM (39g3+)
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Government employee unions. The big government idea so bad even FDR was opposed to it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2017 12:09 PM (39g3+)
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Government employee unions. The big government idea so bad even FDR was opposed to it.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at March 20, 2017 12:11 PM (xeeHA)
124
If I am not mistaken, the civil service laws do allow you to force workers into early retirement. This would only apply to people with 20 years or so in the game, I think.
Maybe you could abolish positions entirely and cut the workers loose for a smaller check. I dunno.
Maybe you could abolish positions entirely and cut the workers loose for a smaller check. I dunno.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 20, 2017 12:12 PM (hCoZK)
125
Cut the budgets, kill the unions, and the dead wood will rise to the surface.
Posted by: Fritz at March 20, 2017 12:13 PM (2Mnv1)
126
I actually want the wall to get built though....
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 20, 2017 12:10 PM (KUaJL)
Skulls can be used as bricks...
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 20, 2017 12:10 PM (KUaJL)
Skulls can be used as bricks...
Posted by: Genghis Khan at March 20, 2017 12:13 PM (WDdjT)
127
110 I don't think sending federal workers out into red states is such a great deal for the locals. . . Why spend good money inviting the enemy* into your state when you can leave them in DC/MD.NoVA?
Posted by: Lizzy
____________
California is paradise for liberals and an unattainable electoral goal even for GOPes. That's why I'm in favor of this El Centro, Needles, Blythe, Bakersfield transfer thing.
Posted by: Lizzy
____________
California is paradise for liberals and an unattainable electoral goal even for GOPes. That's why I'm in favor of this El Centro, Needles, Blythe, Bakersfield transfer thing.
Posted by: Furious George at March 20, 2017 12:13 PM (j+dfT)
128
113 Fun and joke aside, I actually know "Civil Cervix" people in my home State of CA, and the vast majority of them would be happy to take a deal that shuts down a crappy program if they can continue to collect their paycheck from it, without a fuss.
I realize some of you will think that is unfair, but do you want to defang your opposition, or not?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (ujg0T)
So, your solution is to take MY hard earned money, and use it to pay people for doing nothing...
I think there already is a program for that... called ... Unemployment Insurance...
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 12:08 PM (NgKpN)
You are missing the point. The way to over come the vested interest is to defang it.
We will STILL save massively from less overhead and less regulatory bullshit.
Or, take another example. I have known people who took promotional spots in "The California High-Speed Rail Authority", even though they knew it was utter nonsense, because an opening for the next highest rank and thus the next highest pay grade, and they could go from, say, "Associate Accounting Analyst", or "Information Systems Trainee", up to "Accounting Administrator I", or "Information Systems Officer".
They KNEW the program was crap, but by gum, there was an opening for one rank and one higher pay grade up.
I am sure you can apply this to Federal GS-xx people as well.
I realize some of you will think that is unfair, but do you want to defang your opposition, or not?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (ujg0T)
So, your solution is to take MY hard earned money, and use it to pay people for doing nothing...
I think there already is a program for that... called ... Unemployment Insurance...
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 12:08 PM (NgKpN)
You are missing the point. The way to over come the vested interest is to defang it.
We will STILL save massively from less overhead and less regulatory bullshit.
Or, take another example. I have known people who took promotional spots in "The California High-Speed Rail Authority", even though they knew it was utter nonsense, because an opening for the next highest rank and thus the next highest pay grade, and they could go from, say, "Associate Accounting Analyst", or "Information Systems Trainee", up to "Accounting Administrator I", or "Information Systems Officer".
They KNEW the program was crap, but by gum, there was an opening for one rank and one higher pay grade up.
I am sure you can apply this to Federal GS-xx people as well.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:14 PM (ujg0T)
129
Send in Vinny Falcone to ream their f***ing asses.
Posted by: Mr. Paul Anka at March 20, 2017 12:14 PM (ismre)
130
117 Its always come down to this. Unelected millions who outlast presidents, are protected by unions, and who will only give up power with a brutal, bloody fight.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2017 12:09 PM (39g3+)
The Mandarins essentially ruled China for about 1300 years...
They were bureaucrats selected via a Test.... and once in, could not be fired...
Todays US bureaucrats have to take a Test... and once in, are essentially not able to be fired (see Lois Lerner)...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2017 12:09 PM (39g3+)
The Mandarins essentially ruled China for about 1300 years...
They were bureaucrats selected via a Test.... and once in, could not be fired...
Todays US bureaucrats have to take a Test... and once in, are essentially not able to be fired (see Lois Lerner)...
Posted by: Hisotry, Repeaing Himslef... LOUDLY... LISTEN UP YOU DOLTS at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (NgKpN)
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123 Its always come down to this. Unelected millions who outlast presidents, are protected by unions, and who will only give up power with a brutal, bloody fight.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2017 12:09 PM (39g3+)
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Government employee unions. The big government idea so bad even FDR was opposed to it.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at March 20, 2017 12:11 PM (xeeHA)
====================
Republicans and Democrats switched sides in the 60s at some point, don't you know.
That means that FDR is a modern day Republican, right?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2017 12:09 PM (39g3+)
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Government employee unions. The big government idea so bad even FDR was opposed to it.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at March 20, 2017 12:11 PM (xeeHA)
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Republicans and Democrats switched sides in the 60s at some point, don't you know.
That means that FDR is a modern day Republican, right?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (mC1ZI)
132
I actually want the wall to get built though....
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 20, 2017 12:10 PM (KUaJL)
Skulls can be used as bricks...
Posted by: Genghis Khan at March 20, 2017 12:13 PM (WDdjT)
The old world knew how to send a message.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 20, 2017 12:10 PM (KUaJL)
Skulls can be used as bricks...
Posted by: Genghis Khan at March 20, 2017 12:13 PM (WDdjT)
The old world knew how to send a message.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (aMlLZ)
133
The Russians are always trying to fuck with America and now the Left are playing right into their hands lock stock and barrel
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (KlI/a)
134
If I am not mistaken, the civil service laws do allow you to force workers into early retirement. This would only apply to people with 20 years or so in the game, I think.
Maybe you could abolish positions entirely and cut the workers loose for a smaller check. I dunno.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille
_________
If you eliminate a department or cut their budget, you can certainly "fire" these people.
What you "can't" do (although Trump needs to test this with some of these fiefdoms) is just fire someone and replace them with your own tribe for political or patronage reasons.
So you can't fire every FBI agent and say they need to be loyal Republicans.
Maybe you could abolish positions entirely and cut the workers loose for a smaller check. I dunno.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille
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If you eliminate a department or cut their budget, you can certainly "fire" these people.
What you "can't" do (although Trump needs to test this with some of these fiefdoms) is just fire someone and replace them with your own tribe for political or patronage reasons.
So you can't fire every FBI agent and say they need to be loyal Republicans.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:16 PM (9cYRJ)
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We need to punish leakers - hard. We need to fire subversives. We need to prosecute those in gov't involved in illegal acts.
If your only hope is to shut down every department in the US government, then you have already admitted defeat. Fuck. That.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 20, 2017 12:07 PM (so+oy)
The trick is to break up the monolith by turning individuals' interests against those of the Leviathan. I'd plant distinctively different and inflammatory disinformation into various departments to see what leaked. When I'd identified the offending department, I'd come down hard on it: cut its budget - brutally - and move its headquarters to Hemorrhoid, North Dakota. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
If your only hope is to shut down every department in the US government, then you have already admitted defeat. Fuck. That.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 20, 2017 12:07 PM (so+oy)
The trick is to break up the monolith by turning individuals' interests against those of the Leviathan. I'd plant distinctively different and inflammatory disinformation into various departments to see what leaked. When I'd identified the offending department, I'd come down hard on it: cut its budget - brutally - and move its headquarters to Hemorrhoid, North Dakota. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:17 PM (SRKgf)
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Bring back the spoils system. Make elections mean even more.
Bureaucracy is its own form of tyranny. Ask the Chinese, ask the Hindus.
Bureaucracy is its own form of tyranny. Ask the Chinese, ask the Hindus.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 20, 2017 12:17 PM (zsHGH)
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133 The Russians are always trying to fuck with America and now the Left are playing right into their hands lock stock and barrel
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (KlI/a)
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"You know what the petro-state Russia wants? An American president who advocates for and advances the interests of the American energy sector that helps drive down the price of oil no matter what OPEC and Russia do about it! It makes perfect sense!"
-Very smart college student who's struggling with their core classes but acing that gender studies course
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (KlI/a)
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"You know what the petro-state Russia wants? An American president who advocates for and advances the interests of the American energy sector that helps drive down the price of oil no matter what OPEC and Russia do about it! It makes perfect sense!"
-Very smart college student who's struggling with their core classes but acing that gender studies course
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:17 PM (mC1ZI)
Posted by: bob at March 20, 2017 12:17 PM (2Oe01)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 20, 2017 12:17 PM (oVJmc)
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113 Fun and joke aside, I actually know "Civil Cervix" people in my home State of CA, and the vast majority of them would be happy to take a deal that shuts down a crappy program if they can continue to collect their paycheck from it, without a fuss.
I realize some of you will think that is unfair, but do you want to defang your opposition, or not?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (ujg0T)
So, your solution is to take MY hard earned money, and use it to pay people for doing nothing...
I think there already is a program for that... called ... Unemployment Insurance...
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 12:08 PM (NgKpN)
Oops, I forgot to add: with some departments, like "The California High Speed Rail Authority", you are ALREADY doing just that, lke it or not.
Why not save the overhead and the office building space?
Again, I am looking at the endgame of defanging the opposition. The Public Employee Unions would still stage their lame demonstrations, but they would hve to higher bums to carry the signs and not the laid off employees still collecting their salaries for x period of time.
I realize some of you will think that is unfair, but do you want to defang your opposition, or not?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:03 PM (ujg0T)
So, your solution is to take MY hard earned money, and use it to pay people for doing nothing...
I think there already is a program for that... called ... Unemployment Insurance...
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 12:08 PM (NgKpN)
Oops, I forgot to add: with some departments, like "The California High Speed Rail Authority", you are ALREADY doing just that, lke it or not.
Why not save the overhead and the office building space?
Again, I am looking at the endgame of defanging the opposition. The Public Employee Unions would still stage their lame demonstrations, but they would hve to higher bums to carry the signs and not the laid off employees still collecting their salaries for x period of time.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:18 PM (ujg0T)
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Don't worry, bureaucrats. We'll protect your constitutional right to a job!
Posted by: The 9th Circuit at March 20, 2017 12:18 PM (k5x+a)
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133 The Russians are always trying to fuck with America and now the Left are playing right into their hands lock stock and barrel
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (KlI/a)
First time for everything.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (KlI/a)
First time for everything.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:18 PM (SRKgf)
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Skulls can be used as bricks...
When the mortar has dried, can we stick googly eyes on the skulls?
When the mortar has dried, can we stick googly eyes on the skulls?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 20, 2017 12:18 PM (YEelc)
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So are we going to sign the divorce papers or what?
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 20, 2017 12:18 PM (fgzLM)
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@Maritime
But the opposite happens. Troublesome 'reactionaries' are fired and only the 'right' people who've passed their diversity training get hired.
So do the same. Fire the troublesome progressives and institute a new liberty training and require passing grades in that.
But the opposite happens. Troublesome 'reactionaries' are fired and only the 'right' people who've passed their diversity training get hired.
So do the same. Fire the troublesome progressives and institute a new liberty training and require passing grades in that.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 20, 2017 12:18 PM (zsHGH)
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2.8 million? WTF??? That's a lot of feces in the hallway. I wouldn't mind picking up a little extra on the side. I will defecate in the halls for half price. I'm talented that way.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 20, 2017 12:19 PM (vRcUp)
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The debt ceiling has been reached, time for Trump to use the flexibility that event gives him to strike at the bureaucratic state.
Strategic furloughing of thousands across departments would be a good start. And he can make the claim (true BTW) that we can't afford to go deeper into debt.
Strategic furloughing of thousands across departments would be a good start. And he can make the claim (true BTW) that we can't afford to go deeper into debt.
Posted by: MAGA at March 20, 2017 12:19 PM (A4HOq)
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136 136 Bring back the spoils system. Make elections mean even more.
Bureaucracy is its own form of tyranny. Ask the Chinese, ask the Hindus.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 20, 2017 12:17 PM (zsHGH)
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As I read more and more into the 19th century Executive branch, the more of a clear picture I get of the spoils system.
It was a mess. Presidents did nothing for the first 2-3 months of their terms other than fill out spots as every office seeker in the country descended on D.C.. The people who got the positions were usually completely unqualified for the positions they were seeking. It enhanced divisions within parties at the height of that party's power.
And you know what? It was still better than what we have now.
Bureaucracy is its own form of tyranny. Ask the Chinese, ask the Hindus.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 20, 2017 12:17 PM (zsHGH)
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As I read more and more into the 19th century Executive branch, the more of a clear picture I get of the spoils system.
It was a mess. Presidents did nothing for the first 2-3 months of their terms other than fill out spots as every office seeker in the country descended on D.C.. The people who got the positions were usually completely unqualified for the positions they were seeking. It enhanced divisions within parties at the height of that party's power.
And you know what? It was still better than what we have now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:19 PM (mC1ZI)
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Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:14 PM (ujg0T)
I understand your point...
I dismiss your point.
There is a difference.
Early retirement? I'll go for... Unemployment? AOK....
But treating Fed Employees differently than you would treat someone in the Private sector IS THE PROBLEM...
And your solution seems to be... to treat them... differently...
The real key is to get rid of Federal Government Employee UNIONS...
but the GOPe will never allow that to happen.
I understand your point...
I dismiss your point.
There is a difference.
Early retirement? I'll go for... Unemployment? AOK....
But treating Fed Employees differently than you would treat someone in the Private sector IS THE PROBLEM...
And your solution seems to be... to treat them... differently...
The real key is to get rid of Federal Government Employee UNIONS...
but the GOPe will never allow that to happen.
Posted by: Hisotry, Repeaing Himslef... LOUDLY... LISTEN UP YOU DOLTS at March 20, 2017 12:19 PM (NgKpN)
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or get reassigned to building The Wall.
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 20, 2017 12:07 PM (Om16U)
I actually want the wall to get built though....
Posted by: joe
They can provide the mortar.
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 20, 2017 12:07 PM (Om16U)
I actually want the wall to get built though....
Posted by: joe
They can provide the mortar.
Posted by: Spartan Sweat at March 20, 2017 12:20 PM (NF2Bf)
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The Mandarins essentially ruled China for about 1300 years...
They were bureaucrats selected via a Test.... and once in, could not be fired...
Todays US bureaucrats have to take a Test... and once in, are essentially not able to be fired (see Lois Lerner)...
Posted by: Hisotry, Repeaing Himslef... LOUDLY... LISTEN UP YOU DOLTS at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (NgKpN)
The difference is the Mandarins used to choose the people who PASSED the test.
They were bureaucrats selected via a Test.... and once in, could not be fired...
Todays US bureaucrats have to take a Test... and once in, are essentially not able to be fired (see Lois Lerner)...
Posted by: Hisotry, Repeaing Himslef... LOUDLY... LISTEN UP YOU DOLTS at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (NgKpN)
The difference is the Mandarins used to choose the people who PASSED the test.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:20 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:20 PM (KlI/a)
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**Lute Solo**
Posted by: garrett at March 20, 2017 12:20 PM (NJrRe)
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Uh, shouldn't that be spelled Vera Lynn in the sidebar YouTube link?
https://youtu.be/ZSMuTm649Hk
A more modern performance by Mary Duff
https://youtu.be/iJAFMm-BqwE
https://youtu.be/ZSMuTm649Hk
A more modern performance by Mary Duff
https://youtu.be/iJAFMm-BqwE
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 20, 2017 12:21 PM (ZNTrW)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 20, 2017 12:21 PM (XWkhW)
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The people who got the positions were usually completely unqualified for the positions they were seeking.
You mean like Hispanic ex-housemaids turned political operatives being selected to run, say, OPM? That kind of unqualified?
You mean like Hispanic ex-housemaids turned political operatives being selected to run, say, OPM? That kind of unqualified?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:21 PM (SRKgf)
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152 I can't watch these hearings...any of them
Makes me sick to my stomach
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:20 PM (KlI/a)
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I learned my lesson to stop paying attention to them after Hillary's appearance at the Benghazi hearings. She actually wasn't very good, but the media still let her off the hook completely and nothing changed except that she could say that she had provided her testimony.
It fed partisans on both sides and changed nothing.
I'd bet dollars to donuts that the only hearings that actually change things are the classified ones.
Makes me sick to my stomach
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:20 PM (KlI/a)
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I learned my lesson to stop paying attention to them after Hillary's appearance at the Benghazi hearings. She actually wasn't very good, but the media still let her off the hook completely and nothing changed except that she could say that she had provided her testimony.
It fed partisans on both sides and changed nothing.
I'd bet dollars to donuts that the only hearings that actually change things are the classified ones.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:21 PM (mC1ZI)
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Republicans and Democrats switched sides in the 60s at some point, don't you know.
That means that FDR is a modern day Republican, right?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (mC1ZI)
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There is an unbelievably stupid argument that won't go away.
Sorry, Dems, you are the party of racists and slavery. You just practice a more 'enlightened' form of racism these days.
That means that FDR is a modern day Republican, right?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (mC1ZI)
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There is an unbelievably stupid argument that won't go away.
Sorry, Dems, you are the party of racists and slavery. You just practice a more 'enlightened' form of racism these days.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (xeeHA)
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I wouldn't mind bribing the free shit army if it gets rid of them permanently. But only if there were no other options.
Same with illegal aliens, I would gladly give every illegal alien a free ticket and $20k to leave and renounce every getting the ability to re enter or apply for a green card.
It would be pennies on the dollar. Each one of them easily costs taxpayers $50k+ every single year.
Same with illegal aliens, I would gladly give every illegal alien a free ticket and $20k to leave and renounce every getting the ability to re enter or apply for a green card.
It would be pennies on the dollar. Each one of them easily costs taxpayers $50k+ every single year.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (9cYRJ)
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I understand your point...
I dismiss your point.
There is a difference.
Then you dismiss winning.
The only reason the Jackholes in the SEIU (union for CA employees) get people to show up on their marches is that they have a vested interest.
Not sure about the Feds (ASFSCME?) but the principle is the same.
I dismiss your point.
There is a difference.
Then you dismiss winning.
The only reason the Jackholes in the SEIU (union for CA employees) get people to show up on their marches is that they have a vested interest.
Not sure about the Feds (ASFSCME?) but the principle is the same.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (ujg0T)
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156 The people who got the positions were usually completely unqualified for the positions they were seeking.
You mean like Hispanic ex-housemaids turned political operatives being selected to run, say, OPM? That kind of unqualified?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:21 PM (SRKgf)
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Yup.
Political appointees will always be like that, whether at the highest level or the lowest.
The spoils system just extended that kind of abuse to the lower levels.
You mean like Hispanic ex-housemaids turned political operatives being selected to run, say, OPM? That kind of unqualified?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:21 PM (SRKgf)
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Yup.
Political appointees will always be like that, whether at the highest level or the lowest.
The spoils system just extended that kind of abuse to the lower levels.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (mC1ZI)
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@TheJamesMadison
Yes. And yes.
At least under the spoils system you could expect a certain amount of 'throw the bums out' votes and the bums would actually get thrown out.
Everyone above a certain GSA rating should just be forced to get new jobs every 4 years, unless their party wins again.
Yes. And yes.
At least under the spoils system you could expect a certain amount of 'throw the bums out' votes and the bums would actually get thrown out.
Everyone above a certain GSA rating should just be forced to get new jobs every 4 years, unless their party wins again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (zsHGH)
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I like Trump's approach of killing the funding so that there's no reason to have the associated staff. Oh, we eliminated NPS and PBS, so you're all gone, no hard feelings or witch hunt, jut don't need your product/service anymore! Same goes for all you EPA climate change specialists. Buh bye!
Of course, this gets Congress involved, so....
Of course, this gets Congress involved, so....
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (NOIQH)
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"So, Mx diversity compliance facilitator, what would say that you do around here?"
Posted by: Bob at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (jw2Xw)
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Government Bureaucracy: Peace and Surrender!
Trump: Guerra y cuchillo. Bitchez.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 20, 2017 12:21 PM (XWkhW)
A deg#252;ello.
Trump: Guerra y cuchillo. Bitchez.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 20, 2017 12:21 PM (XWkhW)
A deg#252;ello.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:23 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:23 PM (SRKgf)
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Taking a break from the misery of mowing the lawn. IAW... an American doing the job he's WILLING to do.
But, I digress.
Remember Obummer'z "Amerikorps" "civilian force", which was nothing but 90% commie indoctrination, 10% leaning on shovels, 10% community service, and 100% a bunch of hormone addled teens n' early 20s fking like minks in government sponsored communes, coast to coast.
Yeah, shut that WPA of a program down, like yesterday.
In it's place though? Allow me to introduce you to it's replacement
"BureauCorps".
Where unnecessary bureaucrats are transferred in order to work out the their careers until retirement, free of the stifling restrictions of offices, cubicles, staplers and HVAC.
Now, instead of the endless toil of pushing the same paper from one stack to another, day after day, BuearuCorps members get to enjoy the joys of clearing brush for dirtbike trails in our Federal Lands, and also get to contribute to a clean environment, by coming in behind every anti Trump rally, and picking up all the litter, trash, rape-tents and abandoned dogs that are left in the wake of any given herd of leftistprotestors rioters.
Only in BureauCorps, can millions of no-longer-necessary Bureaucrats continue to provide a truly meaningful[/] Federal Service, working towards their pensions and benefits, and knowing that this time, they're earning them!
There used to be some really good dirt bike trails in the Mojave Desert.
I nominate it for the inaugural BureauCorps project.
What say ye, Horde?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
But, I digress.
Remember Obummer'z "Amerikorps" "civilian force", which was nothing but 90% commie indoctrination, 10% leaning on shovels, 10% community service, and 100% a bunch of hormone addled teens n' early 20s fking like minks in government sponsored communes, coast to coast.
Yeah, shut that WPA of a program down, like yesterday.
In it's place though? Allow me to introduce you to it's replacement
"BureauCorps".
Where unnecessary bureaucrats are transferred in order to work out the their careers until retirement, free of the stifling restrictions of offices, cubicles, staplers and HVAC.
Now, instead of the endless toil of pushing the same paper from one stack to another, day after day, BuearuCorps members get to enjoy the joys of clearing brush for dirtbike trails in our Federal Lands, and also get to contribute to a clean environment, by coming in behind every anti Trump rally, and picking up all the litter, trash, rape-tents and abandoned dogs that are left in the wake of any given herd of leftist
Only in BureauCorps, can millions of no-longer-necessary Bureaucrats continue to provide a truly meaningful[/] Federal Service, working towards their pensions and benefits, and knowing that this time, they're earning them!
There used to be some really good dirt bike trails in the Mojave Desert.
I nominate it for the inaugural BureauCorps project.
What say ye, Horde?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 20, 2017 12:24 PM (v5iqM)
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158 There is an unbelievably stupid argument that won't go away.
Sorry, Dems, you are the party of racists and slavery. You just practice a more 'enlightened' form of racism these days.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (xeeHA)
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My wife actually used it on my this weekend.
We were in the middle of a night of drinking, so I didn't go into how the Dixiecrats largely went back to the Democratic Party, save Strom Thurmond, and that modern day Republicans like pre-60s Republican presidents and modern day Democrats like pre-60s Democratic presidents.
I could have riffed for a while on it, but neither of us was in the mood for a lecture.
Sorry, Dems, you are the party of racists and slavery. You just practice a more 'enlightened' form of racism these days.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (xeeHA)
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My wife actually used it on my this weekend.
We were in the middle of a night of drinking, so I didn't go into how the Dixiecrats largely went back to the Democratic Party, save Strom Thurmond, and that modern day Republicans like pre-60s Republican presidents and modern day Democrats like pre-60s Democratic presidents.
I could have riffed for a while on it, but neither of us was in the mood for a lecture.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:24 PM (mC1ZI)
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So you can't fire every FBI agent and say they need to be loyal Republicans.
That's not exactly true. I believe they can but would violate contracts opening the government to lawsuits, penalties etc.
That's not exactly true. I believe they can but would violate contracts opening the government to lawsuits, penalties etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2017 12:24 PM (39g3+)
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They KNEW the program was crap, but by gum, there was an opening for one rank and one higher pay grade up.
I am sure you can apply this to Federal GS-xx people as well.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:14 PM
Bingo!!!
Go into any building in any city in America that has at least one government agency in it (City, County, State or Federal...it doesn't matter) and its easy to pick out the govies. They are the ones who are ALWAYS talking about pay scale and step increases.
ALWAYS.
I am sure you can apply this to Federal GS-xx people as well.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:14 PM
Bingo!!!
Go into any building in any city in America that has at least one government agency in it (City, County, State or Federal...it doesn't matter) and its easy to pick out the govies. They are the ones who are ALWAYS talking about pay scale and step increases.
ALWAYS.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 20, 2017 12:24 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2017 12:24 PM (Uohrc)
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151 The Mandarins essentially ruled China for about 1300 years...
They were bureaucrats selected via a Test.... and once in, could not be fired...
Todays US bureaucrats have to take a Test... and once in, are essentially not able to be fired (see Lois Lerner)...
Posted by: Hisotry, Repeaing Himslef... LOUDLY... LISTEN UP YOU DOLTS at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (NgKpN)
The difference is the Mandarins used to choose the people who PASSED the test.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:20 PM (SRKgf)
Seeeeeee!!!! Progress!!!!
They were bureaucrats selected via a Test.... and once in, could not be fired...
Todays US bureaucrats have to take a Test... and once in, are essentially not able to be fired (see Lois Lerner)...
Posted by: Hisotry, Repeaing Himslef... LOUDLY... LISTEN UP YOU DOLTS at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (NgKpN)
The difference is the Mandarins used to choose the people who PASSED the test.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:20 PM (SRKgf)
Seeeeeee!!!! Progress!!!!
Posted by: Duh Left... at March 20, 2017 12:24 PM (NgKpN)
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Johncardillo
20/03/17 12:30
King corners #Comey on the leak of the #fakenews dossier within hours. #ComeyHearing
20/03/17 12:30
King corners #Comey on the leak of the #fakenews dossier within hours. #ComeyHearing
Posted by: EVLINC! at March 20, 2017 12:24 PM (y3aQB)
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130---Todays US bureaucrats have to take a Test... and once in, are essentially not able to be fired (see Lois Lerner)...
Posted by: Hisotry, Repeaing Himslef... LOUDLY... LISTEN UP YOU DOLTS at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (NgKpN)
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For the most part they do NOT take a test nowadays.
That would be........racist.
Posted by: Hisotry, Repeaing Himslef... LOUDLY... LISTEN UP YOU DOLTS at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (NgKpN)
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For the most part they do NOT take a test nowadays.
That would be........racist.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 20, 2017 12:24 PM (hCoZK)
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162 @TheJamesMadison
Yes. And yes.
At least under the spoils system you could expect a certain amount of 'throw the bums out' votes and the bums would actually get thrown out.
Everyone above a certain GSA rating should just be forced to get new jobs every 4 years, unless their party wins again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (zsHGH)
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And even under the spoils system a new president only replaced less than 10% of the overall workforce.
Most kept their jobs.
Yes. And yes.
At least under the spoils system you could expect a certain amount of 'throw the bums out' votes and the bums would actually get thrown out.
Everyone above a certain GSA rating should just be forced to get new jobs every 4 years, unless their party wins again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (zsHGH)
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And even under the spoils system a new president only replaced less than 10% of the overall workforce.
Most kept their jobs.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:25 PM (mC1ZI)
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But the opposite happens. Troublesome 'reactionaries' are fired and only the 'right' people who've passed their diversity training get hired.
So do the same. Fire the troublesome progressives and institute a new liberty training and require passing grades in that.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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I'm all for the old spoils system.
It's not like our side has anything to lose, all of those positions will always be filled by left-wingers regardless of the Administration.
We used to have the benefit of Republicans being in power in places that mattered like the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, etc. but that's long gone.
So do the same. Fire the troublesome progressives and institute a new liberty training and require passing grades in that.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
______
I'm all for the old spoils system.
It's not like our side has anything to lose, all of those positions will always be filled by left-wingers regardless of the Administration.
We used to have the benefit of Republicans being in power in places that mattered like the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, etc. but that's long gone.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:25 PM (9cYRJ)
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Republicans and Democrats switched sides in the 60s at some point, don't you know.
That means that FDR is a modern day Republican, right?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (mC1ZI)
Well duh. That's why Mississippi finally elected their first (R) governor in the '90s.
Wait, what?
Republicans and Democrats switched sides in the 60s at some point, don't you know.
That means that FDR is a modern day Republican, right?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:15 PM (mC1ZI)
Well duh. That's why Mississippi finally elected their first (R) governor in the '90s.
Wait, what?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:25 PM (/f1mm)
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If DC voted 90% for Trump, you could bet that the Dems would consider it a national crisis and they wouldn't stop until something was done to fix it.
Posted by: MAGA at March 20, 2017 12:25 PM (A4HOq)
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A return to the spoils system would also--maybe--have the effect of increasing support for trimming the power of the bureaucracy.
Posted by: Furious George at March 20, 2017 12:25 PM (j+dfT)
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ComfortablySmug
20/03/17 12:30
Comey: Much of leaks reported in media are "dead wrong"
More Fake News!!
even Fake News is WRONG
20/03/17 12:30
Comey: Much of leaks reported in media are "dead wrong"
More Fake News!!
even Fake News is WRONG
Posted by: EVLINC! at March 20, 2017 12:25 PM (y3aQB)
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159 I wouldn't mind bribing the free shit army if it gets rid of them permanently. But only if there were no other options.
Same with illegal aliens, I would gladly give every illegal alien a free ticket and $20k to leave and renounce every getting the ability to re enter or apply for a green card.
It would be pennies on the dollar. Each one of them easily costs taxpayers $50k+ every single year.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (9cYRJ)
The principle works with our entire underclass. We'll give you $100,000, and a first class air ticket to the destination of your choice. But you can NEVER come back, for any reason whatsoever.
The joy of that approach is that it selects for the cognitively disenfranchised who would consider $100,000 to be a lot of money. Divided by a few decades, $100,000 ain't shit.
Same with illegal aliens, I would gladly give every illegal alien a free ticket and $20k to leave and renounce every getting the ability to re enter or apply for a green card.
It would be pennies on the dollar. Each one of them easily costs taxpayers $50k+ every single year.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (9cYRJ)
The principle works with our entire underclass. We'll give you $100,000, and a first class air ticket to the destination of your choice. But you can NEVER come back, for any reason whatsoever.
The joy of that approach is that it selects for the cognitively disenfranchised who would consider $100,000 to be a lot of money. Divided by a few decades, $100,000 ain't shit.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:26 PM (SRKgf)
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Yup.
Political appointees will always be like that, whether at the highest level or the lowest.
The spoils system just extended that kind of abuse to the lower levels.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (mC1ZI)
As awful as patronage has been and can be in some places still, beware of the entrenched "merit exam based" Civil Service. It too will develop a life of its own. In fact, it already has.
Or just be careful how it judges "merit". Because sometimes it seems or sounds good, but really isn't.
Political appointees will always be like that, whether at the highest level or the lowest.
The spoils system just extended that kind of abuse to the lower levels.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (mC1ZI)
As awful as patronage has been and can be in some places still, beware of the entrenched "merit exam based" Civil Service. It too will develop a life of its own. In fact, it already has.
Or just be careful how it judges "merit". Because sometimes it seems or sounds good, but really isn't.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:26 PM (ujg0T)
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Well duh. That's why Mississippi finally elected their first (R) governor in the '90s.
Wait, what?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:25 PM (/f1mm)
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"Don't you go all, one generation decided to vote differently from the next. We all know that that never happens."
-Progressive who moved to California to get away from his backwards knuckle dragging parents who live in Alabama
Well duh. That's why Mississippi finally elected their first (R) governor in the '90s.
Wait, what?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:25 PM (/f1mm)
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"Don't you go all, one generation decided to vote differently from the next. We all know that that never happens."
-Progressive who moved to California to get away from his backwards knuckle dragging parents who live in Alabama
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:27 PM (mC1ZI)
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Then you dismiss winning.
The only reason the Jackholes in the SEIU (union for CA employees) get people to show up on their marches is that they have a vested interest.
Not sure about the Feds (ASFSCME?) but the principle is the same.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (ujg0T)
Horse crap...
The true zealots, like in the EPA, would FIGHT to keep their jobs... (through unions and the courts...)
While those who are just doing the job for a paycheck would leave...
You would do nothing more than weed out the employees you actually WANT to keep.
The only reason the Jackholes in the SEIU (union for CA employees) get people to show up on their marches is that they have a vested interest.
Not sure about the Feds (ASFSCME?) but the principle is the same.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:22 PM (ujg0T)
Horse crap...
The true zealots, like in the EPA, would FIGHT to keep their jobs... (through unions and the courts...)
While those who are just doing the job for a paycheck would leave...
You would do nothing more than weed out the employees you actually WANT to keep.
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 12:27 PM (NgKpN)
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"Lute'n, Cheatin Stealin
That's all you seem to do"
That's all you seem to do"
Posted by: Stolen Lyrics at March 20, 2017 12:27 PM (NJrRe)
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Now, instead of the endless toil of pushing the same paper from one stack to another, day after day, BuearuCorps members get to enjoy the joys of clearing brush for dirtbike trails in our Federal Lands, and also get to contribute to a clean environment, by coming in behind every anti Trump rally, and picking up all the litter, trash, rape-tents and abandoned dogs that are left in the wake of any given herd of leftist protestors rioters.
I like this idea a lot. There are a lot of public works that could be done by bureaucrats who refuse to leave work when requested.
I like this idea a lot. There are a lot of public works that could be done by bureaucrats who refuse to leave work when requested.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 20, 2017 12:27 PM (39g3+)
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Comey's testimony just proves the soft coup continues...
Let me just repeat what others have said: If the deep state wins in taking down Trump, our whole system of government is kabuki theater.
Make that clear to the Ben Shapiro's of this world who tell us all the time how strong our system of government is, he seems to be missing the word "was". It was a great system of government, but right now not so much because the checks and balances, and other organs are failing before our very eyes.
We have judges taking over roles that were supposed to be only powers given to the executive and legislative branch. We have intelligence and federal law enforcement agencies who have gone rogue, with approval (or ignorance) of congress. And that is for starters...the list is long, really long.
Let me just repeat what others have said: If the deep state wins in taking down Trump, our whole system of government is kabuki theater.
Make that clear to the Ben Shapiro's of this world who tell us all the time how strong our system of government is, he seems to be missing the word "was". It was a great system of government, but right now not so much because the checks and balances, and other organs are failing before our very eyes.
We have judges taking over roles that were supposed to be only powers given to the executive and legislative branch. We have intelligence and federal law enforcement agencies who have gone rogue, with approval (or ignorance) of congress. And that is for starters...the list is long, really long.
Posted by: William Eaton at March 20, 2017 12:27 PM (MuTTO)
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For the most part they do NOT take a test nowadays.
That would be........racist.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 20, 2017 12:24 PM (hCoZK)
I'm not sure that's true. I think the test is "can you oppose any finger with your thumb of the same hand? You can? Welcome aboard!"
That would be........racist.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 20, 2017 12:24 PM (hCoZK)
I'm not sure that's true. I think the test is "can you oppose any finger with your thumb of the same hand? You can? Welcome aboard!"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:28 PM (SRKgf)
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http://washex.am/2nsxvyW
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Devin Nunes: 'Other surveillance' against Trump possible outside wiretapping
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Devin Nunes: 'Other surveillance' against Trump possible outside wiretapping
Posted by: EVLINC! at March 20, 2017 12:28 PM (y3aQB)
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Fucking Comey.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 20, 2017 12:28 PM (2Jfg5)
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The principle works with our entire underclass. We'll give you $100,000, and a first class air ticket to the destination of your choice. But you can NEVER come back, for any reason whatsoever.
The joy of that approach is that it selects for the cognitively disenfranchised who would consider $100,000 to be a lot of money. Divided by a few decades, $100,000 ain't shit.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:26 PM (SRKgf)
Hmmm.... lets see.... so someone who snuck in here illegally.... we give the 100K to leave... but don't think they will come back???
uh....
The joy of that approach is that it selects for the cognitively disenfranchised who would consider $100,000 to be a lot of money. Divided by a few decades, $100,000 ain't shit.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:26 PM (SRKgf)
Hmmm.... lets see.... so someone who snuck in here illegally.... we give the 100K to leave... but don't think they will come back???
uh....
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 12:28 PM (NgKpN)
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A return to the spoils system would also--maybe--have the effect of increasing support for trimming the power of the bureaucracy.
Posted by: Furious George
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Exactly, if 2.8 million people were hired and fired every time the President changed, people would start to see how largely useless these people really are.
They also wouldn't be able to burrow in so deep and create these fiefdoms nobody can touch.
You would be amazed how much power a pretty mid level federal bureaucrat can yield because they know they can't ever get fired.
Posted by: Furious George
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Exactly, if 2.8 million people were hired and fired every time the President changed, people would start to see how largely useless these people really are.
They also wouldn't be able to burrow in so deep and create these fiefdoms nobody can touch.
You would be amazed how much power a pretty mid level federal bureaucrat can yield because they know they can't ever get fired.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:28 PM (9cYRJ)
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Fake news is fake? Is this some sort of circular, common core argument?
Posted by: IC at March 20, 2017 12:28 PM (a0IVu)
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Schumer and Pelosi have threatened a government shut down.
Call their bluff. Except this time the parks stay open and you can still get a passport.
And this time, furloughed federal workers don't get their missing pay.
Call their bluff. Except this time the parks stay open and you can still get a passport.
And this time, furloughed federal workers don't get their missing pay.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 20, 2017 12:28 PM (SIY7D)
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178 If DC voted 90% for Trump, you could bet that the Dems would consider it a national crisis and they wouldn't stop until something was done to fix it.
Posted by: MAGA at March 20, 2017 12:25 PM (A4HOq)
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Interesting factoid:
According to Sandburg's biography of Lincoln, the residents of D.C. seemed to be as excited about Lincoln's presidency as modern day D.C. seems to be about Trump's presidency.
There are some interesting parallels in how the "establishment" of both times looks at the new president.
Lincoln wasn't of their class. Neither is Trump.
Lincoln doesn't talk with the elite's elocution. Neither does Trump.
Lincolns was seen as trying to break the country apart through war. Trump kind of is too.
Posted by: MAGA at March 20, 2017 12:25 PM (A4HOq)
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Interesting factoid:
According to Sandburg's biography of Lincoln, the residents of D.C. seemed to be as excited about Lincoln's presidency as modern day D.C. seems to be about Trump's presidency.
There are some interesting parallels in how the "establishment" of both times looks at the new president.
Lincoln wasn't of their class. Neither is Trump.
Lincoln doesn't talk with the elite's elocution. Neither does Trump.
Lincolns was seen as trying to break the country apart through war. Trump kind of is too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:29 PM (mC1ZI)
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Can't wait for tomorrow's breathless NY Slimes headline, parsing every other word: "Comey : [denies] Evidence of [collusion between Trump campaign and] Russian Hacking!"
Posted by: xnycpeasant at March 20, 2017 12:29 PM (OhTOr)
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>>>I've long been an advocate for moving every federal employee out of the DC/NoVA area and spreading them around the rest of the country. It makes sense from a national defense standpoint (no way to cripple the government with a single strike)
Unfortunately it's not true. No agency outside of State or Education has anywhere near a majority of their employees in the DC area.
Unfortunately it's not true. No agency outside of State or Education has anywhere near a majority of their employees in the DC area.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (h1x9+)
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>>We'll give you $100,000, and a first class air ticket to the destination of your choice.
DO IT!
We need more cash for weapons!!!!
DO IT!
We need more cash for weapons!!!!
Posted by: ISIS at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (NOIQH)
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To often attacking the size of the Government has been made with a scalpel. What is needed is a chainsaw and a nice big bulldozer.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (WsJuq)
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2.8 million folks whom i never have met want to have control of most aspects of my life.
Fuck that.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 20, 2017 11:47 AM (2x9LM)
On top of that, you didn't vote for the pricks, either.
Fuck that.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 20, 2017 11:47 AM (2x9LM)
On top of that, you didn't vote for the pricks, either.
Posted by: RickZ at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (L0PQJ)
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As awful as patronage has been and can be in some places still, beware of the entrenched "merit exam based" Civil Service. It too will develop a life of its own. In fact, it already has.
Or just be careful how it judges "merit". Because sometimes it seems or sounds good, but really isn't.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:26 PM (ujg0T)
Test? Can you say "disparate impact?" Or "Griggs v. Duke Power?"
Or just be careful how it judges "merit". Because sometimes it seems or sounds good, but really isn't.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:26 PM (ujg0T)
Test? Can you say "disparate impact?" Or "Griggs v. Duke Power?"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (SRKgf)
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Oh, hell. Close tags, for the win.
But, while I'm at it, one more thing BureauCorps can be doing on Federal Lands.
Building first class, open to the public, pistol and rifle ranges.
Kind of like a bunch of Camp Perry installations, but with action-pistol shooting bays, and landscape set up to accommodate 3-Gun Nation type matches, as well as all of the classic shotgunning sports.
We can retain some of the more environmentally minded of them, to help with the ongoing lead remediation programs, extracting spent rounds from chewed up berms, and rebuilding the berms with fresh material, dredged up from nearby wetlands.
Okay, I'm kidding about the wetlands. But still...
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
But, while I'm at it, one more thing BureauCorps can be doing on Federal Lands.
Building first class, open to the public, pistol and rifle ranges.
Kind of like a bunch of Camp Perry installations, but with action-pistol shooting bays, and landscape set up to accommodate 3-Gun Nation type matches, as well as all of the classic shotgunning sports.
We can retain some of the more environmentally minded of them, to help with the ongoing lead remediation programs, extracting spent rounds from chewed up berms, and rebuilding the berms with fresh material, dredged up from nearby wetlands.
Okay, I'm kidding about the wetlands. But still...
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (v5iqM)
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194 Schumer and Pelosi have threatened a government shut down.
Call their bluff. Except this time the parks stay open and you can still get a passport.
And this time, furloughed federal workers don't get their missing pay.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 20, 2017 12:28 PM (SIY7D)
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Trump's objective in that circumstance should be to make the shutdown as painless as possible.
All while coming out and saying, "See, this sliver of the government that gets shut down doesn't really affect you. Can we get rid of it now?"
Call their bluff. Except this time the parks stay open and you can still get a passport.
And this time, furloughed federal workers don't get their missing pay.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 20, 2017 12:28 PM (SIY7D)
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Trump's objective in that circumstance should be to make the shutdown as painless as possible.
All while coming out and saying, "See, this sliver of the government that gets shut down doesn't really affect you. Can we get rid of it now?"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (mC1ZI)
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Horse crap...
The true zealots, like in the EPA, would FIGHT to keep their jobs... (through unions and the courts...)
While those who are just doing the job for a paycheck would leave...
You would do nothing more than weed out the employees you actually WANT to keep.
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 12:27 PM (NgKpN)
The true zealots, sure!
But the overwhelming number of government employees, from the local city allthe way up to the Feds?
They just are in it to find another promotion, move a little further ahead, and hopefully retire comfortably at such and such a pay grade and rank when they have x years in.
And I might add, this is just as true in the peacetime Armed Forces, although those people are surely more deserving.
The true zealots, like in the EPA, would FIGHT to keep their jobs... (through unions and the courts...)
While those who are just doing the job for a paycheck would leave...
You would do nothing more than weed out the employees you actually WANT to keep.
Posted by: Don Q. at March 20, 2017 12:27 PM (NgKpN)
The true zealots, sure!
But the overwhelming number of government employees, from the local city allthe way up to the Feds?
They just are in it to find another promotion, move a little further ahead, and hopefully retire comfortably at such and such a pay grade and rank when they have x years in.
And I might add, this is just as true in the peacetime Armed Forces, although those people are surely more deserving.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (ujg0T)
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Test? Can you say "disparate impact?" Or "Griggs v. Duke Power?"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (SRKgf)
Bingo. When "Diversity" becomes a performance metric.... :-P
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (SRKgf)
Bingo. When "Diversity" becomes a performance metric.... :-P
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:32 PM (ujg0T)
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And this time, furloughed federal workers don't get their missing pay.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 20, 2017 12:28 PM (SIY7D)
And don't get back pay later. Unpaid vacations, FTW!
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 20, 2017 12:28 PM (SIY7D)
And don't get back pay later. Unpaid vacations, FTW!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:32 PM (SRKgf)
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They stab it with their steely knives but they just can't kill the beast.
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 20, 2017 12:33 PM (0mRoj)
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I would absolutely love a government shutdown run by the right people.
It would be such a great demonstration of how much useless spending there is. If a million people don't show up for their phony jobs and nobody notices, it's a win.
It would be such a great demonstration of how much useless spending there is. If a million people don't show up for their phony jobs and nobody notices, it's a win.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at March 20, 2017 12:33 PM (xeeHA)
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The dems really do want a war with Russia.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 20, 2017 12:35 PM (kTF2Z)
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Hmmm.... lets see.... so someone who snuck in here illegally.... we give the 100K to leave... but don't think they will come back???
uh....
Posted by: Don Q.
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I wouldn't go as high as $100k per person, but once these people become ineligible and have been named, there would be a price point where it would be FAR cheaper to give some sort of sweetener to have them leave voluntarily.
Obviously, the follow through would be key, but a family of illegals can easily cost the system well over $100k PER YEAR. And it costs money to find them, process them, go to court, etc
Just basic public school tuition can be $50k a year for a family. And if the stay here long enough, have kids, etc it starts looking real cheap to pay these people to go. That's why they are here in the first place, it's about money.
My first preference though would be kicking them out by force with nothing but the shirt on their back.
uh....
Posted by: Don Q.
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I wouldn't go as high as $100k per person, but once these people become ineligible and have been named, there would be a price point where it would be FAR cheaper to give some sort of sweetener to have them leave voluntarily.
Obviously, the follow through would be key, but a family of illegals can easily cost the system well over $100k PER YEAR. And it costs money to find them, process them, go to court, etc
Just basic public school tuition can be $50k a year for a family. And if the stay here long enough, have kids, etc it starts looking real cheap to pay these people to go. That's why they are here in the first place, it's about money.
My first preference though would be kicking them out by force with nothing but the shirt on their back.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:35 PM (9cYRJ)
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And to think all of this fucking nonsense is over a social media tweet. The same media that wacky people use to broadcast photos of their genitals and to discuss their farting habits.
Posted by: Fritz at March 20, 2017 12:35 PM (2Mnv1)
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Trump's objective in that circumstance should be to make the shutdown as painless as possible.
All while coming out and saying, "See, this sliver of the government that gets shut down doesn't really affect you. Can we get rid of it now?"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (mC1ZI)
Bingo. THIS.
All of you should remember the Gingrich Rebs of 1995, whose Pickett's Charge directly against the Union(ized) Government Lines was a disaster.
Trump, so far, has shown himself to be dumb like a fox.
If he outflanks them, he wins.
All while coming out and saying, "See, this sliver of the government that gets shut down doesn't really affect you. Can we get rid of it now?"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (mC1ZI)
Bingo. THIS.
All of you should remember the Gingrich Rebs of 1995, whose Pickett's Charge directly against the Union(ized) Government Lines was a disaster.
Trump, so far, has shown himself to be dumb like a fox.
If he outflanks them, he wins.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:35 PM (ujg0T)
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208 I would absolutely love a government shutdown run by the right people.
It would be such a great demonstration of how much useless spending there is. If a million people don't show up for their phony jobs and nobody notices, it's a win.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at March 20, 2017 12:33 PM (xeeHA)
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It'll be a narrative war.
The MSM will go whole hog for the Democratic Party's argument: highlighting impacted single mother workers, etc.
Normally, the Republican Party would try to go through the MSM to counter the narrative. Thankfully we have Trump who knows not only how to go around the MSM, but also how to use the MSM to advance his own agenda.
Of course, that's operating on the assumption that that's how Trump would play the shutdown.
Fingers crossed that he does.
It would be such a great demonstration of how much useless spending there is. If a million people don't show up for their phony jobs and nobody notices, it's a win.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at March 20, 2017 12:33 PM (xeeHA)
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It'll be a narrative war.
The MSM will go whole hog for the Democratic Party's argument: highlighting impacted single mother workers, etc.
Normally, the Republican Party would try to go through the MSM to counter the narrative. Thankfully we have Trump who knows not only how to go around the MSM, but also how to use the MSM to advance his own agenda.
Of course, that's operating on the assumption that that's how Trump would play the shutdown.
Fingers crossed that he does.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:35 PM (mC1ZI)
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Ok, this hearing is getting very dangerous.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 20, 2017 12:36 PM (kTF2Z)
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It would be very funny if there's a shutdown and no one can tell any real difference in things like Medicare, Medicaid, DOT, etc. customer services.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:36 PM (/f1mm)
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>>All while coming out and saying, "See, this sliver of the government
that gets shut down doesn't really affect you. Can we get rid of it
now?"
EXACTLY!
Makes you wonder if they are playing right into Trump's hand with the shutdown talk. Seriously, they could do no better job of demonstrating how many of the bureaucrats are non-essential - just the opposite of what Obama did when he intentionally shutdown things like National Parks, DHS releasing criminal aliens for maximum inconvenience/pain to citizens.
that gets shut down doesn't really affect you. Can we get rid of it
now?"
EXACTLY!
Makes you wonder if they are playing right into Trump's hand with the shutdown talk. Seriously, they could do no better job of demonstrating how many of the bureaucrats are non-essential - just the opposite of what Obama did when he intentionally shutdown things like National Parks, DHS releasing criminal aliens for maximum inconvenience/pain to citizens.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 20, 2017 12:36 PM (NOIQH)
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The article is also misleading in its focus on political donations. To say that federal employees aren't excited about working for Trump because contributions went 90-something % for Hilldy overlooks the fact that political contribution rate is something like 1-3% by agency (State might be higher).
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 20, 2017 12:36 PM (h1x9+)
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Who is the jackass questioning Comey?
Posted by: MAGA at March 20, 2017 12:36 PM (A4HOq)
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Comey - Leaks to the media should be investigated and prosecuted.
Well you hop right on that Inspector Clouseau
Comey - Leaks to the media should be investigated and prosecuted.
Well you hop right on that Inspector Clouseau
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 20, 2017 12:36 PM (493sH)
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"I wouldn't go as high as $100k per person"
There's no need to, either. Think about Tray-Tray and Michael Brown's families. Wave a check for $10K in front of them and they'd sign anything you need.
There's no need to, either. Think about Tray-Tray and Michael Brown's families. Wave a check for $10K in front of them and they'd sign anything you need.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:37 PM (/f1mm)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 20, 2017 12:37 PM (493sH)
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if anyone would speak delegation doctrine this wouldn't be a thing and see how calm and quiet and good and not at all raging and shrieking and stomping around because delegation doctrine start speaking it and my eye is never ever ever going to stop this twitching and i'm out of eye heroin and argh the glavin
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at March 20, 2017 12:39 PM (mf5HN)
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It's impressive how many Democrats now view Russia as a prime adversary. They've come a long way since 2012 when they mocked Romney for saying the same thing.
Who says liberals are too stupid to learn?
Who says liberals are too stupid to learn?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2017 12:39 PM (/tuJf)
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223 It's impressive how many Democrats now view Russia as a prime adversary. They've come a long way since 2012 when they mocked Romney for saying the same thing.
Who says liberals are too stupid to learn?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2017 12:39 PM (/tuJf)
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Think they're convinced enough at Russia's threats to advocate for increased energy production at home in order to undercut Russia's chief funding source?
Who says liberals are too stupid to learn?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2017 12:39 PM (/tuJf)
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Think they're convinced enough at Russia's threats to advocate for increased energy production at home in order to undercut Russia's chief funding source?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:40 PM (mC1ZI)
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214 Ok, this hearing is getting very dangerous.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 20, 2017 12:36 PM (kTF2Z)
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What direction is it taking and by who.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 20, 2017 12:36 PM (kTF2Z)
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What direction is it taking and by who.
Posted by: WisRich at March 20, 2017 12:40 PM (hdpay)
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"Who says liberals are too stupid to learn?"
I do! They haven't learned. They're just reacting to stimuli.
I do! They haven't learned. They're just reacting to stimuli.
Posted by: Chris M at March 20, 2017 12:41 PM (eAZVt)
Posted by: It's Me donna at March 20, 2017 12:41 PM (O2RFr)
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It's impressive how many Democrats now view Russia as a prime adversary. They've come a long way since 2012 when they mocked Romney for saying the same thing.
Who says liberals are too stupid to learn?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2017 12:39 PM (/tuJf)
We've always been at war with Eurasia.
Who says liberals are too stupid to learn?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2017 12:39 PM (/tuJf)
We've always been at war with Eurasia.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 20, 2017 12:41 PM (KUaJL)
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Hmmm.... lets see.... so someone who snuck in here illegally.... we give
the 100K to leave... but don't think they will come back???
My $100,000 proposal was for the homegrown product that causes our bulging prisons and welfare rolls, not for the imports.
the 100K to leave... but don't think they will come back???
My $100,000 proposal was for the homegrown product that causes our bulging prisons and welfare rolls, not for the imports.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:42 PM (SRKgf)
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226 "Who says liberals are too stupid to learn?"
I do! They haven't learned. They're just reacting to stimuli.
Posted by: Chris M at March 20, 2017 12:41 PM (eAZVt)
Who you callin' stupid?
I do! They haven't learned. They're just reacting to stimuli.
Posted by: Chris M at March 20, 2017 12:41 PM (eAZVt)
Who you callin' stupid?
Posted by: Planaria at March 20, 2017 12:43 PM (SRKgf)
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My $100,000 proposal was for the homegrown product that causes our bulging prisons and welfare rolls, not for the imports.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:42 PM (SRKgf)
The Marcus Garvey / Louis Farrakhan Repatriation And Resettlement Act. :-)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:42 PM (SRKgf)
The Marcus Garvey / Louis Farrakhan Repatriation And Resettlement Act. :-)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:43 PM (ujg0T)
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Does anybody really know what time it is?
Posted by: Muldoon at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (lHb9q)
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Does anybody really care?
Posted by: Muldoon at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (lHb9q)
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Do Republicans really think that fewer than 5,000 appointees can win against 2.8 million federal employees who have a vested interest in absolutely nothing changing?
That is a declaration of war, open rebellion, defiance of the constitution and rejection of our form of government. Let the terminations begin.
That is a declaration of war, open rebellion, defiance of the constitution and rejection of our form of government. Let the terminations begin.
Posted by: Maxwell Edison, majoring in medicine at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (Updw+)
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LOL
'eye heroin'
'eye heroin'
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (zsHGH)
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Anyone watching the Gorsuch hearings? The dems sound like whiny little bitches or freshman poli sci students overly impressed with their silver ponytailed prof wearing the Che tee shirt. They are actually playing the victim card. Its pathetic.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (n3hky)
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People won't like it but the Obama admin had a big hand in overthrowing the duly elected Ukrainian president in 2014
Posted by: MAGA at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (A4HOq)
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232 Does anybody really know what time it is?
Posted by: Muldoon at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (lHb9q)
233 Does anybody really care?
Posted by: Muldoon at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (lHb9q)
If so I can't imagine why--
We all have time enough to cry.....
Posted by: Muldoon at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (lHb9q)
233 Does anybody really care?
Posted by: Muldoon at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (lHb9q)
If so I can't imagine why--
We all have time enough to cry.....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:45 PM (ujg0T)
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There's no need to, either. Think about Tray-Tray
and Michael Brown's families. Wave a check for $10K in front of them
and they'd sign anything you need.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:37 PM (/f1mm)
Sure, but think about it. My $100,000 proposal would be a pons asinorum designed to flush out all of the people who are too stupid to realize that what sounds like a lot of money isn't hardly anything over the remainder of their life expectancy.
Of course, if they choose the wrong Third World country, their life expectancy might be ... uh ... abbreviated, shall we say?
and Michael Brown's families. Wave a check for $10K in front of them
and they'd sign anything you need.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:37 PM (/f1mm)
Sure, but think about it. My $100,000 proposal would be a pons asinorum designed to flush out all of the people who are too stupid to realize that what sounds like a lot of money isn't hardly anything over the remainder of their life expectancy.
Of course, if they choose the wrong Third World country, their life expectancy might be ... uh ... abbreviated, shall we say?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:45 PM (SRKgf)
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Trump is doing what he can which is submitting budgets with massive requested cuts...
He's doing more than most with literally everyone against him.
Literally!!
He's doing more than most with literally everyone against him.
Literally!!
Posted by: Kreplach at March 20, 2017 12:45 PM (Gh/jd)
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236 Anyone watching the Gorsuch hearings? The dems sound like whiny little bitches or freshman poli sci students overly impressed with their silver ponytailed prof wearing the Che tee shirt. They are actually playing the victim card. Its pathetic.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (n3hky)
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And no one will remember their ineffectiveness except their own base.
May the base remember for a very long time and replace the squishy "moderates" with full on progressives in the primaries of 2018.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (n3hky)
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And no one will remember their ineffectiveness except their own base.
May the base remember for a very long time and replace the squishy "moderates" with full on progressives in the primaries of 2018.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:46 PM (mC1ZI)
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I'm pretty surprised (D)s are willing to risk going to war with Russia over their horrible and unqualified vagina losing the election.
Think of what plans they must've had against us if war with Russia is their fallback position?
Think of what plans they must've had against us if war with Russia is their fallback position?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:46 PM (/f1mm)
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The Marcus Garvey / Louis Farrakhan Repatriation And Resettlement Act. :-)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:43 PM (ujg0T)
Exactamente.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:43 PM (ujg0T)
Exactamente.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:46 PM (SRKgf)
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These hearings are great for Russian China, Iran and North Korea
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:46 PM (KlI/a)
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Derp...time to change my socks
Posted by: Mimzey at March 20, 2017 12:46 PM (n3hky)
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Think of what plans they must've had against us if war with Russia is their fallback position?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:46 PM (/f1mm)
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If by fallback position, you mean, "We had no plans for the possibility of losing the election and we flailed into the first thing that seemed to stick", then yes, this is their fallback position.
Think of what plans they must've had against us if war with Russia is their fallback position?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:46 PM (/f1mm)
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If by fallback position, you mean, "We had no plans for the possibility of losing the election and we flailed into the first thing that seemed to stick", then yes, this is their fallback position.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:47 PM (mC1ZI)
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Sure, but think about it. My $100,000 proposal would be a pons asinorum designed to flush out all of the people who are too stupid to realize that what sounds like a lot of money isn't hardly anything over the remainder of their life expectancy.
Of course, if they choose the wrong Third World country, their life expectancy might be ... uh ... abbreviated, shall we say?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:45 PM (SRKgf)
Although that money might go a long way in Accra. IIRC, Ghana still has a policy on the books of welcoming African American expats.
Of course, if they choose the wrong Third World country, their life expectancy might be ... uh ... abbreviated, shall we say?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:45 PM (SRKgf)
Although that money might go a long way in Accra. IIRC, Ghana still has a policy on the books of welcoming African American expats.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:47 PM (ujg0T)
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Does anybody really care?
Posted by: Muldoon at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (lHb9q)
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If so.... I cant imagine why.
Posted by: Muldoon at March 20, 2017 12:44 PM (lHb9q)
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If so.... I cant imagine why.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 20, 2017 12:49 PM (8XRCm)
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"I wouldn't go as high as $100k per person"
There's no need to, either. Think about Tray-Tray and Michael Brown's families. Wave a check for $10K in front of them and they'd sign anything you need.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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You definitely would be amazed what people will sign away for some quick cash.
I've thought for a while conservatives should exploit the hell out of that on a number of issues with the parasite class.
Insurance companies do it all the time because it's so effective.
There's no need to, either. Think about Tray-Tray and Michael Brown's families. Wave a check for $10K in front of them and they'd sign anything you need.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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You definitely would be amazed what people will sign away for some quick cash.
I've thought for a while conservatives should exploit the hell out of that on a number of issues with the parasite class.
Insurance companies do it all the time because it's so effective.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:49 PM (9cYRJ)
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A War with Russia? I'm in...would be good for my career probably.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:49 PM (KlI/a)
Posted by: fixerupper at March 20, 2017 12:49 PM (8XRCm)
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Sure, but think about it. My $100,000 proposal would be a pons asinorum designed to flush out all of the people who are too stupid to realize that what sounds like a lot of money isn't hardly anything over the remainder of their life expectancy."
I don't disagree, but no reason to not save a few bucks where we can, too.
Not to mention it would be fun to listen to (D)s complaining that X aren't smart enough to understand that it's not very much money.
I don't disagree, but no reason to not save a few bucks where we can, too.
Not to mention it would be fun to listen to (D)s complaining that X aren't smart enough to understand that it's not very much money.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:51 PM (/f1mm)
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I think a solid majority of the 2.8 million only care about the paycheck and security.
The notion that they are all leftists is silly.
I've known a helluva lot of federal workers in my day and I'd say that, unless they belong to certain demographics, they split politically pretty much the way the general population does.
The federal workforce is disproportionately black and female, which accounts for most of the disproportionate knee-jerk D voting. IOW, even if these clowns were in the private sector, they would vote D.
The notion that they are all leftists is silly.
I've known a helluva lot of federal workers in my day and I'd say that, unless they belong to certain demographics, they split politically pretty much the way the general population does.
The federal workforce is disproportionately black and female, which accounts for most of the disproportionate knee-jerk D voting. IOW, even if these clowns were in the private sector, they would vote D.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 20, 2017 12:51 PM (hCoZK)
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Although that money might go a long way in Accra. IIRC, Ghana still has a policy on the books of welcoming African American expats.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:47 PM (ujg0T)
Great. Then everyone is happy.
Of course, flooding Accra with American ex-pats having $100,000 each burning a hole in their pockets might raise the cost of living pretty dramatically.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:47 PM (ujg0T)
Great. Then everyone is happy.
Of course, flooding Accra with American ex-pats having $100,000 each burning a hole in their pockets might raise the cost of living pretty dramatically.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:51 PM (SRKgf)
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'Arrow used to destroy Syrian ballistic threat'
Senior IDF officer says Arrow-3 missile defense system used against Syrian missile posing "ballistic threat" to Israel over weekend.
'Arrow used to destroy Syrian ballistic threat'
Senior IDF officer says Arrow-3 missile defense system used against Syrian missile posing "ballistic threat" to Israel over weekend.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:52 PM (KlI/a)
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'SYRIAN MISSILE INTERCEPTED BY ISRAEL ON FRIDAY HAD 200 KG WARHEAD'
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 20, 2017 12:53 PM (KlI/a)
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Of course, flooding Accra with American ex-pats having $100,000 each burning a hole in their pockets might raise the cost of living pretty dramatically.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:51 PM (SRKgf)
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Temporarily, sure. It wouldn't take them long to piss away 100 large.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:51 PM (SRKgf)
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Temporarily, sure. It wouldn't take them long to piss away 100 large.
Posted by: Flyboy at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (EHQ/T)
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Heh. funny song parody, found on Small Dead Animals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur07OFbHs9c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur07OFbHs9c
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (WDdjT)
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"Tattoo Removal Business Booming As Fears Of Deportation Mount"
http://tinyurl.com/lktqczh
There's no evidence suggesting ICE agents are targeting people based on tattoos but people with gang ties or criminal backgrounds are at risk.
Now why would we want to deport people with gang ties or criminal backgrounds. That#8217;s silly!
http://tinyurl.com/lktqczh
There's no evidence suggesting ICE agents are targeting people based on tattoos but people with gang ties or criminal backgrounds are at risk.
Now why would we want to deport people with gang ties or criminal backgrounds. That#8217;s silly!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Maxwell Edison, majoring in medicine at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (Updw+)
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Of course, flooding Accra with American ex-pats having $100,000 each burning a hole in their pockets might raise the cost of living pretty dramatically.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:51 PM (SRKgf)
Ha. "I thought ergonomics was chairs and stuff. What do you mean it makes things cost more?"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:51 PM (SRKgf)
Ha. "I thought ergonomics was chairs and stuff. What do you mean it makes things cost more?"
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (/f1mm)
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Not to split hairs, but wasn't Romney's statement that Russia was our greatest geopolitical rival?
Serious question, I may not be remembering that correctly.
Serious question, I may not be remembering that correctly.
Posted by: Chupacabra at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (Smm/k)
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Look, damn it to hell, not ALL federal employees are worthless leeches.
Posted by: Kerry at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (VQea+)
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Temporarily, sure. It wouldn't take them long to piss away 100 large.
Posted by: Flyboy at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (EHQ/T)
Do tell.
Posted by: Flyboy at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (EHQ/T)
Do tell.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:55 PM (SRKgf)
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262 Not to split hairs, but wasn't Romney's statement that Russia was our greatest geopolitical rival?
Serious question, I may not be remembering that correctly.
Posted by: Chupacabra at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (Smm/k)
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Yeah.
It's not the same as enemy.
But the media didn't think there was a difference, and Romney became a warmonger. As opposed to peaceful Obama who destroyed a country (Libya) without Congressional authority.
Serious question, I may not be remembering that correctly.
Posted by: Chupacabra at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (Smm/k)
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Yeah.
It's not the same as enemy.
But the media didn't think there was a difference, and Romney became a warmonger. As opposed to peaceful Obama who destroyed a country (Libya) without Congressional authority.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:55 PM (mC1ZI)
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We give meaning to the lives of people whose only ability is to defecate in hallways.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at March 20, 2017 12:55 PM (vRcUp)
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100,000 would supplement my retirement to Belize nicely. Where do I sign?
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 20, 2017 12:55 PM (fgzLM)
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Never pay extortion
Never pay danegeld
Posted by: Maxwell Edison, majoring in medicine at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (Updw+)
It's not extortion or danegeld.
It's bait.
Never pay danegeld
Posted by: Maxwell Edison, majoring in medicine at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (Updw+)
It's not extortion or danegeld.
It's bait.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:56 PM (SRKgf)
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>>Not to split hairs, but wasn't Romney's statement that Russia was our greatest geopolitical rival?
Greatest geopolitical foe.
Greatest geopolitical foe.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2017 12:56 PM (/tuJf)
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Trump's objective in that circumstance should be to make the shutdown as painless as possible.
All while coming out and saying, "See, this sliver of the government
that gets shut down doesn't really affect you. Can we get rid of it
now?"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (mC1ZI)
Bingo. THIS.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:35 PM (ujg0T)
So everyone gets ponies?
Trump's objective in that circumstance should be to make the shutdown as painless as possible.
All while coming out and saying, "See, this sliver of the government
that gets shut down doesn't really affect you. Can we get rid of it
now?"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:30 PM (mC1ZI)
Bingo. THIS.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:35 PM (ujg0T)
So everyone gets ponies?
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 20, 2017 12:57 PM (GX63o)
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Do tell.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:55 PM (SRKgf)
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Same principle as Lottery winners who wind up bankrupt. No real concept of the value of money if it's handed to you.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:55 PM (SRKgf)
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Same principle as Lottery winners who wind up bankrupt. No real concept of the value of money if it's handed to you.
Posted by: Flyboy at March 20, 2017 12:57 PM (EHQ/T)
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269 >>Not to split hairs, but wasn't Romney's statement that Russia was our greatest geopolitical rival?
Greatest geopolitical foe.
Posted by: JackStraw
the '80's called, they want their foreign policy back
Greatest geopolitical foe.
Posted by: JackStraw
the '80's called, they want their foreign policy back
Posted by: Rick in SK at March 20, 2017 12:58 PM (FZYNt)
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'Arrow used to destroy Syrian ballistic threat'
*sigh*
I keep telling them about OpSec but do they listen? Of course not.
*sigh*
I keep telling them about OpSec but do they listen? Of course not.
Posted by: Oliver Queen at March 20, 2017 12:58 PM (0mRoj)
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So everyone gets ponies?
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 20, 2017 12:57 PM (GX63o)
As bait, sure. The switch part comes when the programs are terminated permanently.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 20, 2017 12:57 PM (GX63o)
As bait, sure. The switch part comes when the programs are terminated permanently.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 12:58 PM (ujg0T)
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Yeah.
It's not the same as enemy.
But the media didn't think there was a difference, and Romney became a warmonger. As opposed to peaceful Obama who destroyed a country (Libya) without Congressional authority.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:55 PM (mC1ZI)
Yeah, it hard to keep track of all the ways our nobel laureate managed to mess places up.
Iraq
Syria
Libya
Egypt (although they sorted themselves out)
Or tried to:
Israel
UK
US
Or failed to do something:
Iran
Iraq again
It's not the same as enemy.
But the media didn't think there was a difference, and Romney became a warmonger. As opposed to peaceful Obama who destroyed a country (Libya) without Congressional authority.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 12:55 PM (mC1ZI)
Yeah, it hard to keep track of all the ways our nobel laureate managed to mess places up.
Iraq
Syria
Libya
Egypt (although they sorted themselves out)
Or tried to:
Israel
UK
US
Or failed to do something:
Iran
Iraq again
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 20, 2017 12:58 PM (R7+kO)
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I think a solid majority of the 2.8 million only care about the paycheck and security.
The notion that they are all leftists is silly.
I've known a helluva lot of federal workers in my day and I'd say that, unless they belong to certain demographics, they split politically pretty much the way the general population does.
The federal workforce is disproportionately black and female, which accounts for most of the disproportionate knee-jerk D voting. IOW, even if these clowns were in the private sector, they would vote D.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille
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Regardless of how they vote, they are absurdly over paid and use their position as political weapons.
Also, I don't buy for a minute that these people would vote the same way regardless of their job, every election cycle DC goes 90% plus Democrat. You can't tell me there's not a cause and effect going on there. Not even ultra liberal cities like LA or NYC vote that way.
And now it's crept into places like VA that used to be reliably Republican.
The notion that they are all leftists is silly.
I've known a helluva lot of federal workers in my day and I'd say that, unless they belong to certain demographics, they split politically pretty much the way the general population does.
The federal workforce is disproportionately black and female, which accounts for most of the disproportionate knee-jerk D voting. IOW, even if these clowns were in the private sector, they would vote D.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille
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Regardless of how they vote, they are absurdly over paid and use their position as political weapons.
Also, I don't buy for a minute that these people would vote the same way regardless of their job, every election cycle DC goes 90% plus Democrat. You can't tell me there's not a cause and effect going on there. Not even ultra liberal cities like LA or NYC vote that way.
And now it's crept into places like VA that used to be reliably Republican.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:59 PM (9cYRJ)
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Greatly disturbing, NGU. To say the least.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 20, 2017 12:59 PM (bJmbC)
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The beauty of my modest proposal is that (on the whole) it selects for the profoundly stupid. (For every Jack Sock retiring to Belize, there'd be 10,000 underclass denizens who didn't have a penny to their names, or two brain cells to rub together.)
It'd be like lopping off the left half of the bell curve. And cheap at that, since that demographic causes most of our social pathologies.
Jerry Springer might then have a tough time finding participants, but that's his problem.
It'd be like lopping off the left half of the bell curve. And cheap at that, since that demographic causes most of our social pathologies.
Jerry Springer might then have a tough time finding participants, but that's his problem.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:59 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Admiral Snackbar at March 20, 2017 12:59 PM (vtcmf)
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Look, damn it to hell, not ALL federal employees are worthless leeches.
Posted by: Kerry at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (VQea+)
False dilemma. Many are, and even if they aren't, there is far more government intrusion by big fed than is necessary, desirable, or perhaps, constitutional.
Look, damn it to hell, not ALL federal employees are worthless leeches.
Posted by: Kerry at March 20, 2017 12:54 PM (VQea+)
False dilemma. Many are, and even if they aren't, there is far more government intrusion by big fed than is necessary, desirable, or perhaps, constitutional.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 20, 2017 12:59 PM (GX63o)
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100,000 would supplement my retirement to Belize nicely. Where do I sign?
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 20, 2017 12:55 PM (fgzLM)
Aye. There's the rub. If a program like this were started, smart people who were already planning to go expat would scoop up all the money, and go to Belize, or Thailand, or Ecuador, and buy a small business, and live happiliy ever after.
Posted by: Jack Sock at March 20, 2017 12:55 PM (fgzLM)
Aye. There's the rub. If a program like this were started, smart people who were already planning to go expat would scoop up all the money, and go to Belize, or Thailand, or Ecuador, and buy a small business, and live happiliy ever after.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 20, 2017 01:00 PM (WDdjT)
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You definitely would be amazed what people will sign away for some quick cash.
I've thought for a while conservatives should exploit the hell out of that on a number of issues with the parasite class.
I have long suggested offering cold, hard cash to people in return for their giving up the right to vote in perpetuity.
I've thought for a while conservatives should exploit the hell out of that on a number of issues with the parasite class.
I have long suggested offering cold, hard cash to people in return for their giving up the right to vote in perpetuity.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 20, 2017 01:00 PM (X6fMO)
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276 Regardless of how they vote, they are absurdly over paid and use their position as political weapons.
Also, I don't buy for a minute that these people would vote the same way regardless of their job, every election cycle DC goes 90% plus Democrat. You can't tell me there's not a cause and effect going on there. Not even ultra liberal cities like LA or NYC vote that way.
And now it's crept into places like VA that used to be reliably Republican.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:59 PM (9cYRJ)
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Just like people in Michigan vote on the economy of their state, those who work in D.C. vote on the economy of their enclave. And the economy of that enclave is government.
There's a direct incentive there to vote for an increase in government power at all times, no matter what.
Also, I don't buy for a minute that these people would vote the same way regardless of their job, every election cycle DC goes 90% plus Democrat. You can't tell me there's not a cause and effect going on there. Not even ultra liberal cities like LA or NYC vote that way.
And now it's crept into places like VA that used to be reliably Republican.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:59 PM (9cYRJ)
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Just like people in Michigan vote on the economy of their state, those who work in D.C. vote on the economy of their enclave. And the economy of that enclave is government.
There's a direct incentive there to vote for an increase in government power at all times, no matter what.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 01:00 PM (mC1ZI)
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"I wouldn't go as high as $100k per person"
There's no need to, either. Think about Tray-Tray and Michael Brown's families. Wave a check for $10K in front of them and they'd sign anything you need.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:37 PM (/f1mm)
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Trayvon's family did successfully settle with the Housing development, or should we say their insurance company, for $1,000,000.00 a few months before the trial.
I wonder if the person in that insurance company is still employed?
"I wouldn't go as high as $100k per person"
There's no need to, either. Think about Tray-Tray and Michael Brown's families. Wave a check for $10K in front of them and they'd sign anything you need.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 20, 2017 12:37 PM (/f1mm)
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Trayvon's family did successfully settle with the Housing development, or should we say their insurance company, for $1,000,000.00 a few months before the trial.
I wonder if the person in that insurance company is still employed?
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I have long suggested offering cold, hard cash to people in return for their giving up the right to vote in perpetuity.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 20, 2017 01:00 PM (X6fMO)
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"Unconstitutional. They get to keep the money and the right to vote."
-9th Circuit
I have long suggested offering cold, hard cash to people in return for their giving up the right to vote in perpetuity.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 20, 2017 01:00 PM (X6fMO)
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"Unconstitutional. They get to keep the money and the right to vote."
-9th Circuit
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at March 20, 2017 01:01 PM (mC1ZI)
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Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 20, 2017 01:02 PM (4WhSY)
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We have to view our government through system dynamics, the study of understanding nonlinear behavior in complex systems. Such systems, like vast government bureaucracy, include loops that reinforce certain actions and results. These loops act similarly to compounding interest, starting slowly, over time accelerating, then finally exploding in size, all the while strengthening themselves.
Sort of like the Doomsday Machine from Star Trek which cut planets to pieces and refueled itself with the debris
Sort of like the Doomsday Machine from Star Trek which cut planets to pieces and refueled itself with the debris
Posted by: kbdabear at March 20, 2017 01:03 PM (AOrEZ)
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It's not extortion or danegeld.
It's bait.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:56 PM (SRKgf)
The Question is--where? I rule out the Carribbean because it is still too close.
Options:
1. Liberia--historical, even though politically it is a mess.
2. Sierra Leone--see Ghana above, but British rather than American.
3. Ghana: " (W. E. B. DuBois settled in Ghana in his last years and is buried in Accra), and the government has made controversial overtures to gain more Afro-American residents and tourists, including enacting a right of abode law in 2001." (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_settlement_in_Africa)
4. South Africa: Geogrpahically about as far from the USA as you can get, and industrialized. But not sure how many rand to the dollar.
It's bait.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 12:56 PM (SRKgf)
The Question is--where? I rule out the Carribbean because it is still too close.
Options:
1. Liberia--historical, even though politically it is a mess.
2. Sierra Leone--see Ghana above, but British rather than American.
3. Ghana: " (W. E. B. DuBois settled in Ghana in his last years and is buried in Accra), and the government has made controversial overtures to gain more Afro-American residents and tourists, including enacting a right of abode law in 2001." (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_settlement_in_Africa)
4. South Africa: Geogrpahically about as far from the USA as you can get, and industrialized. But not sure how many rand to the dollar.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 01:03 PM (ujg0T)
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Sort of like the Doomsday Machine from Star Trek which cut planets to pieces and refueled itself with the debris
Posted by: kbdabear at March 20, 2017 01:03 PM (AOrEZ)
I believe a nuclear explosion was used to solve the problem there, as well.
Posted by: kbdabear at March 20, 2017 01:03 PM (AOrEZ)
I believe a nuclear explosion was used to solve the problem there, as well.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 20, 2017 01:04 PM (R7+kO)
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>>But the media didn't think there was a difference, and Romney became a warmonger. As opposed to peaceful Obama who destroyed a country (Libya) without Congressional authority.
It's also important to remember the context. The statement was made at a debate and Romney was commenting on Obama's famous, famous if you are on the right and don't have to pretend it didn't happen, statement that Obama made to Medvedev to tell Vlad he would have more flexibility after the election. In retrospect, its obvious he was talking about the negotiations of the P5+1 to kill the sanctions on Iran.
Romney said it was concerning because while Iran may be the single biggest threat at the moment, Russia was our single biggest geopolitical foe because they were more a puppet master than puppet. Obama then mocked him for his Cold War view of foreign policy and the smart set agreed.
Fast forward 4 years and it appears that the Liberals want us to go to war with Russia. How times have changed.
It's also important to remember the context. The statement was made at a debate and Romney was commenting on Obama's famous, famous if you are on the right and don't have to pretend it didn't happen, statement that Obama made to Medvedev to tell Vlad he would have more flexibility after the election. In retrospect, its obvious he was talking about the negotiations of the P5+1 to kill the sanctions on Iran.
Romney said it was concerning because while Iran may be the single biggest threat at the moment, Russia was our single biggest geopolitical foe because they were more a puppet master than puppet. Obama then mocked him for his Cold War view of foreign policy and the smart set agreed.
Fast forward 4 years and it appears that the Liberals want us to go to war with Russia. How times have changed.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2017 01:04 PM (/tuJf)
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Nood.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 20, 2017 01:04 PM (R7+kO)
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Yeah, it hard to keep track of all the ways our nobel laureate managed to mess places up.
Iraq
Syria
Libya
Egypt (although they sorted themselves out)
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Add Iran to the list.
President McFucksticks left the Green Revolution twisting in the wind when the Ayatollahs were RIPE for a toppling.
Iraq
Syria
Libya
Egypt (although they sorted themselves out)
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Add Iran to the list.
President McFucksticks left the Green Revolution twisting in the wind when the Ayatollahs were RIPE for a toppling.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 20, 2017 01:04 PM (8XRCm)
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Same principle as Lottery winners who wind up bankrupt. No real concept of the value of money if it's handed to you.
Posted by: Flyboy at March 20, 2017 12:57 PM (EHQ/T)
Yep. Exactly my thought, and the motivation for the proposal. Lottery winners are drawn from those purchasing lottery tickets, i.e., those whose math skills are ... vestigial, shall we say.*Both my proposal and lotteries select for the none-too-bright.
* Once, in Las Vegas another grad student and I calculated the true odds on keno (essentially bingo). It turns out the house drop on keno is about 25% (IIRC). So your expectation value would be 0.75^n, where n is the number of times you play. Sounds great, huh?
Posted by: Flyboy at March 20, 2017 12:57 PM (EHQ/T)
Yep. Exactly my thought, and the motivation for the proposal. Lottery winners are drawn from those purchasing lottery tickets, i.e., those whose math skills are ... vestigial, shall we say.*Both my proposal and lotteries select for the none-too-bright.
* Once, in Las Vegas another grad student and I calculated the true odds on keno (essentially bingo). It turns out the house drop on keno is about 25% (IIRC). So your expectation value would be 0.75^n, where n is the number of times you play. Sounds great, huh?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 01:05 PM (SRKgf)
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I have long suggested offering cold, hard cash to people in return for their giving up the right to vote in perpetuity.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
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As much as I would love that idea, no way would the Court's go for that. Even in our Founding, supposedly one of many reasons only property owners could vote was the fear the underclass could be bought off for votes for cheap.
But an illegal being paid to leave or someone voluntarily excluding themselves would likely hold up.
Like when people take Social Security, they instantly become ineligible for other entitlements like welfare.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
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As much as I would love that idea, no way would the Court's go for that. Even in our Founding, supposedly one of many reasons only property owners could vote was the fear the underclass could be bought off for votes for cheap.
But an illegal being paid to leave or someone voluntarily excluding themselves would likely hold up.
Like when people take Social Security, they instantly become ineligible for other entitlements like welfare.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 01:06 PM (9cYRJ)
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Heh. funny song parody, found on Small Dead Animals:
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I am so triggered. Those must be vile, vile people.
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I am so triggered. Those must be vile, vile people.
Posted by: Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road at March 20, 2017 01:06 PM (ZO497)
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Also, I don't buy for a minute that these people would vote the same way regardless of their job, every election cycle DC goes 90% plus Democrat. You can't tell me there's not a cause and effect going on there. Not even ultra liberal cities like LA or NYC vote that way.
And now it's crept into places like VA that used to be reliably Republican.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:59 PM (9cYRJ)
And yet, the suburbs of Sacramento, where a good many state of CA workers live, remains one of the few bright spots for the GOP in CA.
Sacramento proper, on the other hand, is either:
1) the Poor Hipster's Portlandia or San Francisco, especially the Midtown district, so there is THAT strata of state workers.
2) Ghetto, especially the Oak Park, Fruitridge, Florin, or Meadowview districts, and there is THAT strata of state workers, too.
And now it's crept into places like VA that used to be reliably Republican.
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:59 PM (9cYRJ)
And yet, the suburbs of Sacramento, where a good many state of CA workers live, remains one of the few bright spots for the GOP in CA.
Sacramento proper, on the other hand, is either:
1) the Poor Hipster's Portlandia or San Francisco, especially the Midtown district, so there is THAT strata of state workers.
2) Ghetto, especially the Oak Park, Fruitridge, Florin, or Meadowview districts, and there is THAT strata of state workers, too.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 01:07 PM (ujg0T)
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>>And now it's crept into places like VA that used to be reliably Republican. Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 12:59 PM (9cYRJ)
I'm seeing state statistics that claim that 1 in 9 Virginians is a foreign-born immigrant (2013), and that just over half that number vote. In 1970, that figure was one in 100.
A quick drive through Arlington, Fairfax, Richmond, and Tidewater seems to confirm the demographic shift. I've lived here long enough to see the demographic and political shift, and I'd chalk up a large portion of the latter to the former.
I'm seeing state statistics that claim that 1 in 9 Virginians is a foreign-born immigrant (2013), and that just over half that number vote. In 1970, that figure was one in 100.
A quick drive through Arlington, Fairfax, Richmond, and Tidewater seems to confirm the demographic shift. I've lived here long enough to see the demographic and political shift, and I'd chalk up a large portion of the latter to the former.
Posted by: General Zod at March 20, 2017 01:07 PM (Bdeb0)
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The Question is--where? I rule out the Carribbean because it is still too close.
Options:
1. Liberia--historical, even though politically it is a mess.
2. Sierra Leone--see Ghana above, but British rather than American.
3. Ghana: " (W. E. B. DuBois settled in Ghana in his last years and is buried in Accra), and the government has made controversial overtures to gain more Afro-American residents and tourists, including enacting a right of abode law in 2001." (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_settlement_in_Africa)
4. South Africa: Geogrpahically about as far from the USA as you can get, and industrialized. But not sure how many rand to the dollar.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 01:03 PM (ujg0T)
Wherever will take them, would be my reflexive answer. The Caribbean IS too close, but in any case would rapidly fill up and refuse to take more.
So I'm thinking the Motherland would be the obvious destination. Where in the Motherland is between them and the countries in question.
Options:
1. Liberia--historical, even though politically it is a mess.
2. Sierra Leone--see Ghana above, but British rather than American.
3. Ghana: " (W. E. B. DuBois settled in Ghana in his last years and is buried in Accra), and the government has made controversial overtures to gain more Afro-American residents and tourists, including enacting a right of abode law in 2001." (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_settlement_in_Africa)
4. South Africa: Geogrpahically about as far from the USA as you can get, and industrialized. But not sure how many rand to the dollar.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 20, 2017 01:03 PM (ujg0T)
Wherever will take them, would be my reflexive answer. The Caribbean IS too close, but in any case would rapidly fill up and refuse to take more.
So I'm thinking the Motherland would be the obvious destination. Where in the Motherland is between them and the countries in question.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 20, 2017 01:08 PM (SRKgf)
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A quick drive through Arlington, Fairfax, Richmond, and Tidewater seems to confirm the demographic shift. I've lived here long enough to see the demographic and political shift, and I'd chalk up a large portion of the latter to the former.
Posted by: General Zod
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I'm sure it's a lot of factors, but isn't it funny that whenever there are federal jobs that are big on Affirmative Action type hiring practices a certain demographic swarms to those places?
Posted by: General Zod
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I'm sure it's a lot of factors, but isn't it funny that whenever there are federal jobs that are big on Affirmative Action type hiring practices a certain demographic swarms to those places?
Posted by: Maritime at March 20, 2017 01:11 PM (9cYRJ)
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>>>276 Regardless of how they vote, they are absurdly over paid and use their position as political weapons.
Also, I don't buy for a minute that these people would vote the same
way regardless of their job, every election cycle DC goes 90% plus
Democrat. You can't tell me there's not a cause and effect going on
there. Not even ultra liberal cities like LA or NYC vote that way.
And now it's crept into places like VA that used to be reliably Republican.
.
.
.It can certainly change, but it can change both ways. Kentucky is a good example. Democrats controlled the House there for over 90 years without a break and had the Governorship for the majority of that time also. But Republicans mounted a strong comeback last year and took over the House for the first time since 1921.
The pendulum swings both ways.
Also, I don't buy for a minute that these people would vote the same
way regardless of their job, every election cycle DC goes 90% plus
Democrat. You can't tell me there's not a cause and effect going on
there. Not even ultra liberal cities like LA or NYC vote that way.
And now it's crept into places like VA that used to be reliably Republican.
.
.
.It can certainly change, but it can change both ways. Kentucky is a good example. Democrats controlled the House there for over 90 years without a break and had the Governorship for the majority of that time also. But Republicans mounted a strong comeback last year and took over the House for the first time since 1921.
The pendulum swings both ways.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 20, 2017 01:13 PM (le7jz)
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Did someone say nuke it? *weiner expands*
Posted by: Kim Jong-un at March 20, 2017 01:15 PM (admrv)
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Rush just played a soundbite of Comey convoluting Russia's support for PTrump.
this is very evil.
this is very evil.
Posted by: booknlass at March 20, 2017 01:31 PM (8mO0Q)
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Start by disarming all of the "Soft Agencies" which have no need of their arsenals or their little armies. It'll be easier to roll tanks in the coup de crat.
Posted by: Thirdtwin at March 20, 2017 02:41 PM (Ixl7R)
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If you think this year's budget is where it ends, you are wrong. That is only the beginning of the slashing. Do it in pieces, over the course of 8 years and you kill the beast. Congress would not have the guts to do it in a dramatic fashion, so this is only a first step toward righting the ship.
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