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Trump to Leave Obama's DACA ("Dreamers") Amnesty In Place
Except this particular cow seems to not have been traded for anything at all -- including any bag of allegedly magical beans.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: ibguy at February 21, 2017 11:43 AM (vUcdz)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 11:44 AM (RD7QR)
Guess this is gonna be one of those times.
Posted by: ibguy at February 21, 2017 11:44 AM (vUcdz)
Posted by: GregV61 at February 21, 2017 11:44 AM (+5nuR)
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 21, 2017 11:44 AM (o/Ar3)
Whether 'tis more important to read the link or post 'first', aye that is the rub.
Too early
Posted by: Hap N. Stance at February 21, 2017 11:44 AM (swvR0)
Posted by: Modo at February 21, 2017 11:45 AM (p+Qx5)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 21, 2017 11:45 AM (VV72c)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at February 21, 2017 11:45 AM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 21, 2017 11:45 AM (KW1qk)
Posted by: garrett at February 21, 2017 11:45 AM (p+Qx5)
Posted by: Eggo at February 21, 2017 11:45 AM (EB1oa)
Posted by: mallfly of the Jungle at February 21, 2017 11:45 AM (b7fwp)
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 21, 2017 11:44 AM (o/Ar3)
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Since Trump's been talking about letting DREAMers stay since the primary, then I'd expect there to be no one shocked by this.
But apparently there are.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 11:46 AM (vur0q)
Posted by: mallfly of the Jungle at February 21, 2017 11:45 AM (b7fwp)
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Does kite surfing count?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 11:46 AM (vur0q)
News flash: Dr. Vic's wife (aka Dr. Mrs. Vic) is setting up a new and extremely limited practice. She will be dispensing daily belly shot for the next 29 days.
Posted by: Vic's wife at February 21, 2017 11:46 AM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 11:47 AM (mpXpK)
Deporting the dreamers really is a non-starter. And giving some leeway on this takes a big cudgel out of the left's hand.
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 21, 2017 11:47 AM (o/Ar3)
Posted by: Joe Mama at February 21, 2017 11:48 AM (M5NPS)
Posted by: IP at February 21, 2017 11:48 AM (hUtue)
Posted by: Sirius the Canine Pundit at February 21, 2017 11:48 AM (LBO1U)
News flash: Dr. Vic's wife (aka Dr. Mrs. Vic) is setting up a new and extremely limited practice. She will be dispensing daily belly shot for the next 29 days.
Posted by: Vic's wife at February 21, 2017 11:46 AM (mpXpK)
Thanks for bringing us up to date!
(Do we want to know what a belly shot is?)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 11:48 AM (RD7QR)
Just about anything he does from here on out is either going to get a cheer from me, or simply IDNGAF.
Posted by: Idiot Bob at February 21, 2017 11:48 AM (TmefP)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 21, 2017 11:48 AM (YEelc)
Posted by: #NeverTrump Cult at February 21, 2017 11:48 AM (tGBt6)
Posted by: Eli Cash at February 21, 2017 11:48 AM (7y4lI)
Posted by: Les Kinetic at February 21, 2017 11:48 AM (U6f54)
Posted by: concrete girl at February 21, 2017 11:49 AM (9kE+s)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 11:47 AM (mpXpK)
Except in Massachusetts, where we array the full majesty of the law to protect them from the fate they deserve.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 21, 2017 11:49 AM (X6fMO)
Deporting the dreamers really is a non-starter. And giving some leeway on this takes a big cudgel out of the left's hand.
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 21, 2017 11:47 AM (o/Ar3)
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The same order says that all others are prime for deportation.
I feel like this is misdirection to cover up the fact that he's going to actually start ramping up deportations.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 11:49 AM (vur0q)
Never expected Trump to do 100% of what he said or 100% what conservatives wanted.
Warden nailed it (my attitude on Trump) and so did Scott Adams (predicting the negotiation tactic of going extreme first, then moving more center).
Posted by: Lizzy at February 21, 2017 11:49 AM (NOIQH)
Guess this is gonna be one of those times.
Posted by: ibguy at February 21, 2017 11:44 AM (vUcdz)
Excuse me, what do you think you are doing being calm and rational? That is *not* part of the AoSHQ style guide.
Extreme emotionalism is required to be displayed - anger, rage, fear, despair, betrayal, and the blues - to be accompanied later by a re-reading of the source material which leads to realization, mild embarrassment, general forgetting, and the desire to move on to the next whirligig topic.
It's right there in the manual "Ace Commands - The Style Guide for the Horde: Page 37, lines 18-25.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Can Help You Get Your Garden of Curses In Shape This Spring! at February 21, 2017 11:49 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: m at February 21, 2017 11:49 AM (3jGss)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 21, 2017 11:49 AM (JyMId)
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 21, 2017 11:47 AM (o/Ar3)
Deep down, I had a feeling about that.
It's easier to be tough on the MS-13 types than the families..
Posted by: Blanco at February 21, 2017 11:50 AM (tGBt6)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 11:48 AM (RD7QR)
An antibiotic shot in the stomach.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 11:51 AM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Lizzy at February 21, 2017 11:49 AM (NOIQH)
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Art of the Deal.
Now, for all of those worried that Trump is going to waver on other things:
You're right. He will. I wouldn't imagine he'll deliver any of his extreme promises because they're opening gambits.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 11:51 AM (vur0q)
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 21, 2017 11:47 AM (o/Ar3)
Deep down, I had a feeling about that.
It's easier to be tough on the MS-13 types than the families..
Posted by: Blanco at February 21, 2017 11:50 AM (tGBt6)
Make those types the face of deportation and that will neuter the MSM.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 11:51 AM (RD7QR)
Guess this is gonna be one of those times.
**shrugs**
He disappointed me by not arresting the entire Democrat congress for treason, so this barely registers on my Outrage-O-Meter.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 21, 2017 11:51 AM (X6fMO)
Posted by: ibguy at February 21, 2017 11:51 AM (vUcdz)
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 21, 2017 11:51 AM (o/Ar3)
No point in trying to do too much at once, I suppose not.
Posted by: mallfly of the Jungle at February 21, 2017 11:51 AM (b7fwp)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 11:48 AM (RD7QR)
An antibiotic shot in the stomach.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 11:51 AM (mpXpK)
Ow. Do you have to swear off booze too?
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 11:51 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 21, 2017 11:51 AM (lPDqu)
Posted by: Chupacabra
I can only hope that's what he's doing. This group is ripe for exploitation by the left so he decided to take away their biggest propaganda weapon and ensure other gains. It's sort of like retreating to straighten the line when there is an indefensible salient.
I just hope he's not waiting for Steiner.
Posted by: pep at February 21, 2017 11:52 AM (LAe3v)
Posted by: SuperTrump at February 21, 2017 11:52 AM (IqV8l)
I'd have someone's head.
Posted by: golfman at February 21, 2017 11:52 AM (48QDY)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 21, 2017 11:49 AM (X6fMO)
That's because the average Joe in MA votes for idiots,
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 11:52 AM (mpXpK)
Arrested a mom and had camera crews at the ready for it.
Posted by: Blanco at February 21, 2017 11:52 AM (tGBt6)
Okay, I'll take it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 21, 2017 11:53 AM (/f1mm)
I smell #fakenews
Posted by: ghbucky at February 21, 2017 11:53 AM (D2q91)
Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 21, 2017 11:53 AM (J5mC3)
Arrested a mom and had camera crews at the ready for it.
Posted by: Blanco at February 21, 2017 11:52 AM (tGBt6)
Which is why civil service reform has to be a high priority. Firings now, firings forever.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 11:53 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Colin at February 21, 2017 11:54 AM (ec2s9)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 11:49 AM (vur0q)
He just hired 10,000 new enforcement agents.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 11:54 AM (mpXpK)
Dealers gonna deal - I'll withhold judgment until I see if there are any magic beans coming down the pipeline.
Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at February 21, 2017 11:54 AM (oZ6kz)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 11:48 AM (RD7QR)
I thought a "belly shot" was when you poured some vodka into a hooker's belly button (has to be an "inny" obviously) and then slurped it up.
That's what a friend told me, anyway.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 21, 2017 11:54 AM (KW1qk)
Posted by: Vic's wife at February 21, 2017 11:46 AM (mpXpK)
Sounds like you have him by the ------ belly.
Posted by: golfman at February 21, 2017 11:54 AM (48QDY)
Posted by: Soona at February 21, 2017 11:54 AM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Soona at February 21, 2017 11:54 AM (Fmupd)
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And yet people are surprised.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (vur0q)
But even hinting at DACA reveals as crazy, the MSM Tirade about putting them all in camps or whatever.
Require English and a complete civics class and they might make better citizens (one day) than half the college kid collective that has joined the totalitarian PC Cult.
But stop the chain migration and anchor baby thing, build the wall, e-verify ... WINNING.
Posted by: illiniwek at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (YMJtx)
What's in his left hand?
The lanyard for releasing the trebuchet.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (YEelc)
Posted by: SMFH at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (CRotO)
This.
Say, how's that Sweden thingy working out for the media?
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (MINbv)
And Melania is STILL the most beautiful woman on earth.
Posted by: 1921 C DRUM at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (zwsnd)
setting up a new and extremely limited practice. She will be dispensing
daily belly shot for the next 29 days.
Posted by: Vic's wife at February 21, 2017 11:46 AM (mpXpK)
I had to give myself that after my first hip replacement for 3 weeks. It was a blood thinner.
Didn't have to after the 2nd replacement. Don't know why. Different doctor...different state.
Posted by: Tami at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (Enq6K)
I'd have someone's head.
Posted by: golfman at February 21, 2017 11:52 AM (48QDY)
AKA, this story is bullshit, like all the other "anonymous sources" stories we've put out over the last eight months.
Got it. Back to my normal NGAFing.
Posted by: Idiot Bob at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (TmefP)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 11:49 AM (vur0q)
He just hired 10,000 new enforcement agents.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 11:54 AM (mpXpK)
That's a good start.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (RD7QR)
Sweet.
Now he needs to rent some more space to give them all offices in Newark.
Posted by: garrett at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (p+Qx5)
Posted by: PAgirlinNC at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (/5WQL)
Posted by: mallfly of the Jungle at February 21, 2017 11:51 AM (b7fwp)
Ha. All the same taxpayers who already are, I suppose.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (/f1mm)
I thought a "belly shot" was when you poured some vodka into a hooker's belly button (has to be an "inny" obviously) and then slurped it up.
That's what a friend told me, anyway.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 21, 2017 11:54 AM (KW1qk)
I heard it was ass crack and champagne, a la Steve Kroft.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 21, 2017 11:56 AM (UBQ2A)
Posted by: JEM at February 21, 2017 11:56 AM (TppKb)
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=70447
Posted by: SMFH at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (CRotO)
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"If it's not someone from Obama's administration, then it's a betrayal of Democracy!"
-Very smart college student who's struggling with their core classes but acing that gender studies course
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 11:56 AM (vur0q)
Posted by: Chilling the most at February 21, 2017 11:56 AM (Cl52v)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 11:51 AM (RD7QR)
Been off booze for a while now.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 11:56 AM (mpXpK)
Posted by: garrett at February 21, 2017 11:56 AM (p+Qx5)
Posted by: Ace at 11:42 AM
As I stated in the previous thread, he traded for Obama's silence. Trump's got a huge ego, got's lot's he want's accomplish so in true "Art of the Deal" fashion, he cut a deal giving away something, DACA, he was going to give away anyway. Sorry horde, I know you didn't want to hear that.
Because we all know how bad a negotiator Barack "Don't call my bluff" Obama is, he took the deal.
Just calling it the way I see it.
Posted by: WisRich at February 21, 2017 11:56 AM (hdpay)
Posted by: Idiot Bob at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (TmefP)
Probably this^^
Posted by: golfman at February 21, 2017 11:56 AM (48QDY)
Can we get rid of this birthright citizenship bullshit, at least???
Mark Levin says it's in the constitution.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 21, 2017 11:57 AM (IqV8l)
However, he seems to be removing DACA and DAPA who committed crimes, even if they had to to just live in the US (identity fraud).
If he tightens his messaging and really wants to, he could go with the "I'm not deporting them, they're deporting themselves by committing felonies/not paying back taxes/not applying under Obama" Again, messaging needs to be on point.
Posted by: GrapeDrink at February 21, 2017 11:57 AM (ftwsw)
Not a bad outcome, compared to what we'd have with Ms. Clinton in charge - she'd be running free buses 24/7 from Mexico City to Albuquerque...
Posted by: West at February 21, 2017 11:57 AM (1Rgee)
Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 21, 2017 11:57 AM (/f1mm)
Half a loaf. Probably worth taking. The screaming and the sob stories over DACA would have been excruciating. I would think you can still boot "dreamers" if they are caught committing another crime.
Posted by: cool breeze at February 21, 2017 11:57 AM (StZrq)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 11:56 AM (mpXpK)
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I'll drink extra...for you...or something.
Er....
I'm gonna get drunk and I need an excuse.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 11:57 AM (vur0q)
43 Ow. Do you have to swear off booze too?
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 11:51 AM (RD7QR)
Been off booze for a while now.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 11:56 AM (mpXpK)
By choice, or because of your neighbor?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 21, 2017 11:57 AM (jxbfJ)
Question is how hard to go after employers, which means how hard do we encourage self-deportation, which is how you really get meaningful reductions.
Being soft on Dreamers now gets buy-in on the rest. e.g. Sanctuary Cities who resist are putting criminals who don't belong here over the rest of US
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 21, 2017 11:57 AM (SIY7D)
Posted by: DREAMER at February 21, 2017 11:58 AM (UOJLJ)
Posted by: Lady in Black - LONG LIVE THE SCALP WEASEL at February 21, 2017 11:58 AM (+FSld)
I'll wait for the real newz, TYVM.
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 21, 2017 11:58 AM (MINbv)
Pretty consistent to me anyway. I'm not sure what's to be gained by deporting the kids while the criminal are still out there other than to create media talking points.
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at February 21, 2017 11:58 AM (LStqq)
They would be painted as heartless monsters by their fellow chattering class clowns. Trump is doing this to quell the revolt. He needs the idiots in Congress to give him his cabinet, pass TAX reform and maybe, just maybe REPEAL OBAMACARE. The Congress Critters are running scared. This gives them some cover.
Posted by: rd at February 21, 2017 11:59 AM (iT57s)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 21, 2017 11:59 AM (lPDqu)
Beans, the magical fruit.
Also the magical water in DC that elitists get to drink that makes them believe they are an island.
Also to be left in place - obamacare.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 21, 2017 12:00 PM (ODxAs)
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I thought a "belly shot" was when you poured some vodka into a
hooker's belly button (has to be an "inny" obviously) and then slurped
it up.
That's what a friend told me, anyway.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 21, 2017 11:54 AM (KW1qk)
I heard it was ass crack and champagne, a la Steve Kroft.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 21, 2017 11:56 AM (UBQ2A)
Wouldn't that be "A river runs through it"?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 21, 2017 12:00 PM (jxbfJ)
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at February 21, 2017 12:00 PM (LtuZ9)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 21, 2017 11:57 AM (jxbfJ)
Dr's orders
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 12:00 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Vic's wife at February 21, 2017 12:00 PM (mpXpK)
He's wrong. Deporting them is subjecting them to the jurisdiction.
Posted by: DaveA at February 21, 2017 12:00 PM (8J/Te)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 21, 2017 12:00 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Under Fire at February 21, 2017 12:01 PM (UOJLJ)
Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 21, 2017 12:01 PM (/f1mm)
Not a bad outcome, compared to what we'd have with Ms. Clinton in charge - she'd be running free buses 24/7 from Mexico City to Albuquerque...
Posted by: West at February 21, 2017 11:57 AM (1Rgee)
Yes. After blocking Hillary, everything the Donald does about illegals is gravy. (Although I really want the wall.)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 12:01 PM (RD7QR)
As it is, I'm quite sure that Dr. Happer knows far more about the physics and contents of those high layers of air than the people who tried to turn weather and climate into some sort of cultist ideology.
Another denier...weren't we all hoping for balance?? But this guy will be taken down quick enough, he knows to much!
Posted by: Colin at February 21, 2017 12:01 PM (ec2s9)
Posted by: HE GRABBED MY PUSSY at February 21, 2017 12:01 PM (MJG5f)
Posted by: Diogenes at February 21, 2017 12:02 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 21, 2017 12:02 PM (/tuJf)
[future human interest news from almost any place to the left of Fox. expect the three children he had from two woman to be shown crying.]
Posted by: mallfly of the Jungle at February 21, 2017 12:03 PM (b7fwp)
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Yeah - he's been pretty consistent in hinting that he wouldn't deport the Dreamers. Dunno whether this story is #RealNews, but it certainly wouldn't come as a surprise.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 21, 2017 12:03 PM (OVUYQ)
A slice is worth taking. A friggin' crumb beats nothing.
If true ... it's better than what we had ... and we can always bitch for more the next go 'round.
Unlike the bullshit some constantly spew ... nothing is ever "settled". These are just the new rules until the next time the rules are changed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at February 21, 2017 12:03 PM (RWSlt)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 21, 2017 12:02 PM (/tuJf)
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I could see it as one piece of a negotiation with Congress over...well...everything.
The relationship between President and Congress is kind of a continuous negotiation.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 12:03 PM (vur0q)
As it is, I'm quite sure that Dr. Happer knows far more about the physics and contents of those high layers of air than the people who tried to turn weather and climate into some sort of cultist ideology.
Another denier...weren't we all hoping for balance?? But this guy will be taken down quick enough, he knows to much!
Posted by: Colin at February 21, 2017 12:01 PM (ec2s9)
Anybody who spent part of his career shooting lasers at the tropopause is okay by me.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 12:03 PM (RD7QR)
What if Trump looked for legislation that allowed DACA to stand but in such a way that they are grandfathered in to a law that clarifies and excludes future anchor babies from citizenship?
Would that be a good deal?
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at February 21, 2017 12:03 PM (LStqq)
Posted by: Under Fire at February 21, 2017 12:04 PM (UOJLJ)
What if Trump looked for legislation that allowed DACA to stand but in such a way that they are grandfathered in to a law that clarifies and excludes future anchor babies from citizenship?
Would that be a good deal?
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at February 21, 2017 12:03 PM (LStqq)
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And, as an EO, he can quickly rescind or greatly modify it with another EO.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 12:04 PM (vur0q)
Posted by: Jaimo at February 21, 2017 12:04 PM (9U1OG)
Posted by: @votermom @vm at February 21, 2017 12:04 PM (Om16U)
Posted by: mallfly of the Jungle at February 21, 2017 12:05 PM (b7fwp)
Anybody who spent part of his career shooting lasers at the tropopause is okay by me.
This made me think of the Gary Larson, 'Bozosphere' comic.
Posted by: garrett at February 21, 2017 12:05 PM (p+Qx5)
>>The relationship between President and Congress is kind of a continuous negotiation.
Don't think so. He said in his presser last week, as he has been saying for some time, that he was going to deal with DACA "with a heart". Sounds to me like he didn't want to do anything on this issue.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 21, 2017 12:05 PM (/tuJf)
Anticoagulant - Lovenox. Blood doesn't change, but the bruised abdomen never does feel right afterwards.
Pro tip - have some of the big "Band Aid" self adhesive pads and some absorbent pads around as well.
Oh, and shave off the injection area. Trust me on this.
Best of luck.
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 21, 2017 12:05 PM (MINbv)
Hopefully, deporting criminal illegal aliens will still be a thing.
Also hopefully, this will create an environment where we can stop birthright citizenship.
Posted by: OCBill at February 21, 2017 12:05 PM (df+Zi)
Make it clear that 'criminal' trumps DACA.
Just establish a policy and follow through.
Will also keep those on DACA properly concerned about their status.
Posted by: JEM at February 21, 2017 12:06 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: Vic's wife at February 21, 2017 12:00 PM (mpXpK)
What blood thinner is this? I'm on coumadin (i.e. warfarin i.e. rat poison) due to cardiac surgery, but I can take it orally.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 21, 2017 12:06 PM (KW1qk)
hooker's belly button (has to be an "inny" obviously) and then slurped
it up.
That's what a friend told me, anyway.
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 21, 2017 11:54 AM (KW1qk)
He'd prefer it to be one of those, but no such luck. He adamantly refuses to give the shots to himself.
Posted by: Vic's wife at February 21, 2017 12:06 PM (mpXpK)
Arrested a mom and had camera crews at the ready for it.
Posted by: Blanco at February 21, 2017 11:52 AM (tGBt6)
Which is why civil service reform has to be a high priority. Firings now, firings forever.
Posted by: joncelli
Reverse decimation. Instead of one out of ten, 9 out of 10.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 21, 2017 12:06 PM (fo8C+)
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 21, 2017 12:06 PM (KW1qk)
Don't think so. He said in his presser last week, as he has been saying for some time, that he was going to deal with DACA "with a heart". Sounds to me like he didn't want to do anything on this issue.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 21, 2017 12:05 PM (/tuJf)
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He's hinted since the campaign that he'd let DREAMers stay.
It's very possible that he just wants to let them stay.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 12:07 PM (vur0q)
Posted by: runner at February 21, 2017 12:07 PM (c6/9Q)
Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at February 21, 2017 12:06 PM (KW1qk)
Lovenox, I am also taking two other orally.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 12:07 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Under Fire at February 21, 2017 12:04 PM (UOJLJ)
Yep. Last I heard there were a million to two million "dreamers" applications alone.
Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 21, 2017 12:07 PM (/f1mm)
"What about the children!"
If taking that one off the table makes it easier to achieve the rest, I'm all for it.
Posted by: Joe, living mobile at February 21, 2017 12:07 PM (gqkFN)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/13/trump-promises-packed-day-one-agenda.html
This will be the first in long line of coming betrayals on immigration. The Trump immigration hawk persona, which he invented for 2016 will die slowly and quietly. And somewhere, in a K-Street office, Eric Cantor is smiling.
Posted by: Nurse Ratched at February 21, 2017 12:08 PM (9D7ij)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 11:57 AM (vur0q)
Life itself does it for me.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 21, 2017 12:08 PM (X6fMO)
Posted by: Vic's wife at February 21, 2017 12:08 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 21, 2017 12:08 PM (lPDqu)
Posted by: General Zod at February 21, 2017 12:08 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: tu3031 at February 21, 2017 12:08 PM (qJhUV)
Remember, this is filtered news.... or Weaponized Text as Julian Assange so eloquently put it...
Posted by: Don Q. at February 21, 2017 12:09 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: mallfly of the Jungle at February 21, 2017 12:09 PM (b7fwp)
Careful - that stuff takes common HouseCat from can kill average peasant to can kill average Moron esp. cobs.
One of these days I need to send all The Shirley the cat stories to the pet thread.
Posted by: DaveA at February 21, 2017 12:09 PM (8J/Te)
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Wouldn't the R-controlled states all go for this as a constitutional amendment? Let's go! Article V convention on citizenship!
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 21, 2017 12:09 PM (OVUYQ)
That's not accurate. It was only after he was elected.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 21, 2017 12:10 PM (lPDqu)
Law made to exclude now, can be changed to include down the road.
If they're not here in the first place, nothing to deal with.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 21, 2017 12:10 PM (fo8C+)
Wouldn't the R-controlled states all go for this as a constitutional amendment? Let's go! Article V convention on citizenship!
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 21, 2017 12:09 PM (OVUYQ)
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"You're a silly goose."
-Lindsey Graham, who pretty much controls the South Carolina Republican Party
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 12:10 PM (vur0q)
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 12:10 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: USNtakim at February 21, 2017 12:11 PM (hMqvx)
This is probably the best we can expect from a politician, these days. But we'll see. Trump is nothing if not flexible when things don't work the way he wanted.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 21, 2017 12:11 PM (39g3+)
Glad to see you on.
Put the location of the shot on a calendar. After a few days, you'll forget. Trust me on this.
I started doing the shot myself. Got to be routine. Easier than the anticipation of someone else doing it.
All the best!
Posted by: MarkY at February 21, 2017 12:11 PM (i022r)
Posted by: macleod at February 21, 2017 12:11 PM (N315I)
Posted by: Nurse Ratched at February 21, 2017 12:08 PM (9D7ij)
"I told you so" uses fewer characters and pixels.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 21, 2017 12:11 PM (X6fMO)
Got it. Back to my normal NGAFing.
Posted by: Idiot Bob at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (TmefP)
My attitude, too. Come one, Ace, it has been 31(?) days since the Trumpenfher's grasped the reins of power. We have been gas-lit 24/7 since before the election. Even if this ultimately comes to pass, President Trump is going to more of what we want than President H(ic!!) Clinton would.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at February 21, 2017 12:11 PM (YQ4mh)
Posted by: mallfly of the Jungle at February 21, 2017 12:11 PM (b7fwp)
http://tinyurl.com/gs3pwsj
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at February 21, 2017 12:12 PM (tHwdc)
If 60%, that's 15 million. No way we get 'em all back to Mexico in the near-term. So we need priorities. Valedictorians to the back of the line for now, maybe forever
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 21, 2017 12:12 PM (SIY7D)
"
Surprise - the linked Reuters bit has already been edited...
go figure.
Posted by: anon a mouse at February 21, 2017 12:12 PM (MINbv)
Posted by: zmdavid at February 21, 2017 12:12 PM (xqRaG)
HOUSTON -- On Monday, Senator Ted Cruz went on Ellen to confess that he, of course, killed Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster in 1993.
"Look, I just love killing. Vince Foster was a left-wing guy, and I was happy to rid the world of his tender heart. Then, when the right-wing immediately blamed Hillary Clinton for his death, as you can imagine I was deeply surprised. It's only natural! But also delighted."
Posted by: satire SMOD at February 21, 2017 12:12 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Lurker primus at February 21, 2017 12:12 PM (DhPrq)
to get tougher on the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the
United States"
I am so sick of that same 11-12M number being pulled out for the last 18 years. There's that many hanging out in our home depot parking lot this morning. They've given out 1M CA driver's licenses since 2015, with a 50% failure rate. So how does that math work out?
I hope there's more to it than Reuter's blather, which could amount to another misinterpretation or RINO maneuvering stunt.
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at February 21, 2017 12:12 PM (RHEDC)
Posted by: The Political Hat at February 21, 2017 12:12 PM (OzJeO)
Because he doesn't have to worry about re-election because where you gonna go NOW?
Couldn't even make it 100 days
Posted by: Hobbiehawk at February 21, 2017 12:13 PM (Qot/z)
I have to give this to my wife whenever she flies. The first time I tried it, she was just standing there, and when I stabbed her, she recoiled back and pulled the needle all the way out. Now I have her stand against a wall, so there's nowhere for her to go. It's a *long* needle, at least compared to my insulin.
Posted by: Chris M at February 21, 2017 12:13 PM (eAZVt)
Posted by: Fritz at February 21, 2017 12:13 PM (2Mnv1)
Any class in elementary negotiation will tell you that you have to have some things you're willing to trade away. For the time being, I'm going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt when it comes to negotiating.
Posted by: pep at February 21, 2017 12:14 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: USNtakim at February 21, 2017 12:11 PM (hMqvx)
Yet they have, because they hung in there long enough.
Illegal is illegal. Goodbye, good luck, get lost, get out. Dreamers included.
Whatever. Trump has already accomplished his primary mission, beating Hillary. His secondary mission is to keep things together long enough for us to prep for the inevitable. Anything beyond that is a bonus.
Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 21, 2017 12:14 PM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at February 21, 2017 12:14 PM (cgCTh)
this sandwich does have a *little* poop in it, but as has also been mentioned we were warned. and no one else was even talking about this in the primary, except Cruz (and he wasn't pure either here)
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 21, 2017 12:15 PM (6FJW5)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 21, 2017 12:15 PM (X6fMO)
Gonna be a short night.
Posted by: Mortimer - Finish Her! at February 21, 2017 12:14 PM (cgCTh)
*Snort* The concern trolls just leaped out at this one even though there's no confirmation on a story by anonymous sources.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 12:15 PM (RD7QR)
by the way, Gen McMaster has a bald head. Mussolini had a bald head. I
can already see the creeping fascism. (I have mastered left wing logic,
you know)
Also, both like(d) pasta. Wake up, sheeple!!!!!
Posted by: pep at February 21, 2017 12:16 PM (LAe3v)
But WE are collectively responsible for this mess, because it's our duly elected government that let this happen. Saying we can deport 25 million in short order is risible.
The good news is that we're starting to deal with it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 21, 2017 12:16 PM (SIY7D)
What DHS said is that they will prioritize criminals for the time being.
Good grief.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 21, 2017 12:16 PM (F5sg8)
Posted by: garrett at February 21, 2017 12:17 PM (p+Qx5)
Posted by: Tami at February 21, 2017 12:17 PM (Enq6K)
Posted by: Nevertrumpers emerging, blinking from their Trump-shelters at February 21, 2017 12:18 PM (cgCTh)
There are now enough Anchor Babies that you can get a big swing depending on whether you count them as Illegals or not
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 21, 2017 12:18 PM (SIY7D)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 12:18 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 12:19 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: NeverTrump!!11! at February 21, 2017 12:19 PM (BrQrN)
The good news is that we're starting to deal with it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 21, 2017 12:16 PM (SIY7D)
Exactly. All in good time, All in good time.
And now the Left is going with some crap on FB about Trump's father being in The KKK- No proof of course.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2017 12:19 PM (KlI/a)
"U.S. President Donald Trump's administration will leave protections in place for immigrants who entered the country illegally as children, known as "dreamers," but will consider all other illegal immigrants subject to deportation, according to guidance released on Tuesday.
The Department of Homeland Security guidance is the implementation plan for executive orders on border security and immigration enforcement that Trump signed on Jan. 25, days after taking office.
The Republican president campaigned on a pledge to get tougher on the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States, playing on fears of violent crime while promising to build a wall on the border with Mexico and to stop potential terrorists from entering the country.
DHS officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity on a conference call with reporters, said that although any immigrant in the country illegally could be deported, the agency will prioritize those deemed as posing a threat.
These include recent entrants, those convicted of a crime and people charged but not yet convicted."
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 12:19 PM (RD7QR)
Not seeing a problem.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 21, 2017 12:19 PM (fo8C+)
"Teen Suicide Attempts Fell as Same-Sex Marriage Became Legal" - NBC News
Posted by: IP at February 21, 2017 12:19 PM (hUtue)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 21, 2017 12:19 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: NeverTrump!!11! at February 21, 2017 12:19 PM (BrQrN)
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He would have already resigned after signing a blanket amnesty on January 20, feeling that he'd accomplished everything he wanted from his presidency.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 12:19 PM (vur0q)
Posted by: talgus da Deplorable at February 21, 2017 12:20 PM (fJQAI)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 12:19 PM (mpXpK)
Hands Up!
Posted by: garrett at February 21, 2017 12:20 PM (p+Qx5)
But apparently there are.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 11:46 AM (vur0q)
Exactly. Even if this is "fake news" I expect it down the road. He can't do all of this by EO. He has to have buy in from the public and Congress (to whatever extent possible) on the tougher stuff. This is low hanging fruit toward the perception of a reasonable Trump. And he does, personally,m seem to have a problem with it.
Posted by: Keith at February 21, 2017 12:20 PM (USf3s)
Posted by: Dancing Queen at February 21, 2017 12:20 PM (lZaEn)
Posted by: NeverTrump!!11! at February 21, 2017 12:20 PM (BrQrN)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 21, 2017 12:21 PM (YEelc)
Posted by: NeverTrump!!11! at February 21, 2017 12:21 PM (BrQrN)
"Teen Suicide Attempts Fell as Same-Sex Marriage Became Legal" - NBC News
Posted by: IP at February 21, 2017 12:19 PM (hUtue)
Every bit as logical: "Radiation Increased As Joncelli Ate Beans"
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 12:21 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: talgus da Deplorable at February 21, 2017 12:20 PM (fJQAI)
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"There's still injustice in the world! We will never stop fighting until the federal government expunges Trump from, not only the presidency, but also any record that he held office! And then we get Hillary as president! Only then will we stop!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 12:21 PM (vur0q)
Posted by: ErikInTexas at February 21, 2017 12:21 PM (KtcMg)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 21, 2017 12:22 PM (KP5rU)
NPR: Migrants Choose Arrest in Canada Over Staying in the U.S.
http://tinyurl.com/hmo2cy9
Posted by: m at February 21, 2017 12:22 PM (3jGss)
Posted by: Strelnikov at February 21, 2017 12:22 PM (fi5nC)
Posted by: garrett at February 21, 2017 12:17 PM (p+Qx5)
The Prog scum admit to 11 million. That means the number is 50 million, or higher.
Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 21, 2017 12:22 PM (Jcg9Q)
For English, press one
For deportation, oprima dos
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I'll buy two. Adult XL.
Posted by: Nevertrumpers emerging, blinking from their Trump-shelters at February 21, 2017 12:22 PM (cgCTh)
Posted by: ErikInTexas at February 21, 2017 12:21 PM (KtcMg)
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Someone's been reading his Thomas Paine.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 12:22 PM (vur0q)
Posted by: General Zod at February 21, 2017 12:22 PM (Bdeb0)
I'm not saying that means Trump is no better, but I better see some pretty hard core deportations for the rest of them.
Posted by: Maritime at February 21, 2017 12:22 PM (J591N)
Posted by: Nathan R. Jessup at February 21, 2017 12:23 PM (TixTl)
Posted by: Jean at February 21, 2017 12:23 PM (zZb/S)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 21, 2017 12:23 PM (mpXpK)
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump goes squishy on immigration, but I don't think anyone can make that claim so early in his tenure and from such a small action as this.
Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at February 21, 2017 12:23 PM (oZ6kz)
I'm not saying that means Trump is no better, but I better see some pretty hard core deportations for the rest of them.
Posted by: Maritime at February 21, 2017 12:22 PM (J591N)
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My real bet is that the DREAMers "capitulation" is attempted cover for when Trump ups deportations overall.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 12:24 PM (vur0q)
So the lamenting that he isn't bussing Dreamers across the border and dropping them off in Tiajuana is a little premature.
Dreamers are a problem created by the US from neglecting to have a meaningful border barrier for a couple of decades. By not enforcing immigration laws. By creating incentives for illegal immigration, by allowing chain migration, etc. etc.
Dreamers are the least dangerous of all the illegals as a group.
It stands to reason that they need to be handled separately. Trump can end the DACA program from continuing, but he still has to deal with 17 year olds who have grown up in the USA since they were infants and have zero attachment or understanding of Mexico or wherever else they were from.
They need to be dealt with individually.
The current immigration orders also have a carve out for unaccompanied minors. People are blanching that it means they can come and then will incentivize more of them.
No, it means that a separate order will allow for creating ways to return these kids directly to their parents...you can't send them back over the border to be killed, raped, etc. So they will also be dealt with, but separately.
The wall will be built starting with El Paso and two other locations, where the existing wall is non functional. Protecting the border should mean that much of the current illegal crossings will stop. Until that stops, you cannot hire enough people to keep shipping crossers back.
I'm not upset at this. I would much rather the Trump administration issue well thought out, planned immigration orders than blow out stuff that will be immediately challenged in court. The 9th has staked it's claim and until the 9th is undone and recalibrated, it's smarter to do what you can and not set up for failure.
Posted by: Jen at February 21, 2017 12:24 PM (cWhln)
Posted by: Maritime at February 21, 2017 12:24 PM (J591N)
Posted by: Mortimer, FINISH HER! at February 21, 2017 12:24 PM (cgCTh)
Posted by: Under Fire at February 21, 2017 12:24 PM (UOJLJ)
For the record I believe this to be a terrible idea. I would expect him to use this as leverage in the future. I also believe Trump has a large soft spot for children.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 21, 2017 12:25 PM (FKHWN)
It hasn't been traded yet. It's a bargaining chip.
Posted by: Mr. Hand at February 21, 2017 12:25 PM (CnhVe)
Posted by: USNtakim at February 21, 2017 12:11 PM (hMqv
Not to mention hiring and housing them. There's plenty of lawbreaking all around. I'm tired of people putting 100% blame on the fence jumpers as if that's some kind of principled position. There is going to have to be some compromise to fix the situation. If you want to bring down the hammer a lot of Americans need to be punished as well. Personally I just want the most painless way to begin enforcing the law again.
Posted by: HE GRABBED MY PUSSY at February 21, 2017 12:25 PM (MJG5f)
I have it on good authority ALL the Joe's in MA are above average. Just ask them.
Posted by: Central Scrutinizer at February 21, 2017 12:25 PM (vI+F1)
Posted by: Under Fire at February 21, 2017 12:24 PM (UOJLJ)
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You really do seem to have an unrealistic view of how politics works.
Might I suggest a couple of books:
The biography of James Madison written by Irving Brant.
The biography of Thomas Jefferson written by Dumas Malone.
You should get a far more accurate view of the kinds of tradeoffs that are always going to be present in political dealing in our Republic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 21, 2017 12:26 PM (vur0q)
All I have hoped for is getting a wall up and preventing new ones from coming in.
However, with this announcement, watch our southern border start to crawl with new illegals trying to get in.
What disturbs me is the lack of movement on pressuring employers.. We would have mass reverse migrations back to their home countries if they all became unemployable.
This will be the same as what happens with Obamacare. The Medicaid expansion will stay in place, perhaps in another form like block grants.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 21, 2017 12:26 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Locke Common at February 21, 2017 12:26 PM (XPkir)
NOOO!! You must listen to the excellent analysis and advice we've been giving for the past year and accept that you've been betrayed due to an anonymously leaked story!!!!
Posted by: NeverTrump!!11! at February 21, 2017 12:26 PM (BrQrN)
Remember, this was why the Establishment Republican position was so awful, they wanted to not deport the Dreamers. Posted by: Maritime at February 21, 2017 12:22 PM (J591N)
Remember, the fact that they whimpered and held their anuses open for the ungreased humiliation of Hillary's Vengeful Pthalate-Free Purple Cock Of Submissive Conversion was why they were so awful.
At least, that's they reason *I* remember them being so awful.
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Posted by: General Zod at February 21, 2017 12:26 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: Jen at February 21, 2017 12:24 PM (cWhln)
This is my position, and well written to boot.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 12:27 PM (RD7QR)
That's not my first choice, but it's political reality to get something through the 4-5 GOP RINOs in the Senate.
Posted by: Maritime at February 21, 2017 12:27 PM (J591N)
Everyone who's entered after that date is ineligible--a small and shrinking pool.
I suspect the truth about DACA isn't who is eligible, it's the abuse in that so many phony claims are filed. And, I'm sure, the intentional delay in processing all claims.
He can clamp down on that and still say he's keeping it.
I also suspect this is a trap by Trump, along the lines of "I tried to keep DACA but you forced it to be scrapped because you refused to even check to see if they were felons."
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 21, 2017 12:27 PM (AmMfi)
Posted by: Maritime at February 21, 2017 12:24 PM (J591N)
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light skin
Posted by: RioBravo at February 21, 2017 12:27 PM (SsblQ)
It hasn't been traded yet. It's a bargaining chip.
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This particular cow is a bargaining chip. A cow chip, if you will.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 21, 2017 12:27 PM (OVUYQ)
Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at February 21, 2017 12:27 PM (oZ6kz)
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 21, 2017 12:28 PM (BrQrN)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 21, 2017 12:28 PM (FKHWN)
Wait, we're expecting people to obey the law the same way as people who torrent mp3s?
Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 21, 2017 12:28 PM (/f1mm)
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 21, 2017 12:29 PM (PNcou)
It's an iterative process, and it's necessary to have Kelly and Sessions running this show, not Trump himself. Which appears to be what we actually have.
Posted by: JEM at February 21, 2017 12:30 PM (TppKb)
Everyone who's entered after that date is ineligible--a small and shrinking pool.
I suspect the truth about DACA isn't who is eligible, it's the abuse in that so many phony claims are filed. And, I'm sure, the intentional delay in processing all claims.
He can clamp down on that and still say he's keeping it.
I also suspect this is a trap by Trump, along the lines of "I tried to keep DACA but you forced it to be scrapped because you refused to even check to see if they were felons."
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 21, 2017 12:27 PM (AmMfi
That's a good analysis. I read this as Trump tabling the issue for now.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 21, 2017 12:30 PM (FKHWN)
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It's almost as if there is a lot of work to be done and he is prioritizing it.
Almost.
Posted by: Mortimer, FINISH HER! at February 21, 2017 12:30 PM (cgCTh)
Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 21, 2017 12:30 PM (/f1mm)
Posted by: Jean at February 21, 2017 12:30 PM (zZb/S)
Posted by: Jen at February 21, 2017 12:24 PM (cWhln)
This is my position, and well written to boot.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at February 21, 2017 12:27 PM (RD7QR)
They still should have challenged the 9th Circus cocksuckers though. I think there was a chance the full Court would have overturned the three.
Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 21, 2017 12:31 PM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: General Zod at February 21, 2017 12:31 PM (Bdeb0)
My fear is though, Obama knew when he did this EO every Republican that followed him would be too chickenshit to change it, and it looks like his gamble so far has been right.
Posted by: Maritime at February 21, 2017 12:31 PM (J591N)
The text of the article doesn't support the DACA will remain in place, what with the anyone here illegally is subject to deportation.
II. Where's the primary source document? If this is some kind of guidance document, link to it so I can read for myself what it says.
C. And I should know this, aren't the DACA protections still under court challenge? Leaving in place until resolution would be an arguably proper choice.
Posted by: alexthechick - all your caps are belong to me at February 21, 2017 12:32 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Idiot Bob at February 21, 2017 11:55 AM (TmefP)
Probably this^^
Posted by: golfman at February 21, 2017 11:56 AM (48QDY)
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Indeed, it seems that way to me. If you read the linked article, the only "fact" they present is an anonymous account from someone in DHS that says a letter came out prioritizing the immigration / deportation enforcement and the "DREAMers" are low on the list.
Big whoop. That certainly doesn't say much to me. There is an actual program enacted by Obama for staying in the country. If you're status as an illegal is still subject to deportation, just not a priority, I wouldn't be too keen on sticking around. I sure as hell wouldn't think I had obtained double secret legal status.
Honestly, the fact that the link goes to "reuters" should be a tipoff.
Yet another example of our side letting THEIR SIDE set the agenda. The last thing the right needs is to be attacking Trump over some perceived slight via anonymous sources at DHS, as reported by Reuters.
Posted by: deadrody at February 21, 2017 12:33 PM (vJOFB)
Actually, I think he gets a lot: goodwill from the middle-of-the-roaders. (Not from the hard right, but he doesn't need a lot from them right now, and not from the hard left, because he'll never get anything from them.)
And he gets a lot more because he asked nothing in return - so he's just seen as "doing the right thing" by a lot of those middle-of-the-roaders.
His cost is very little, and I think the potential gains are substantial. Trump sees the long game: first 2018 mid-terms; then 2020. He knows prosperity, unity, and a lot of good things flow from subjective perceptions. The economy grows and prospers when consumer confidence is high - actual productivity and prices are obviously important, but consumer confidence leads to spending- and that leads to prosperity.
If he increases his own approval numbers, consumer confidence grows. He's a smart guy.
Posted by: One-eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at February 21, 2017 12:34 PM (gzPc2)
Posted by: m at February 21, 2017 12:35 PM (3jGss)
Posted by: moronhorde minion at February 21, 2017 12:35 PM (88jeI)
Wait...anonymous sources set up fucking conference calls??
Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 21, 2017 12:35 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: One-eyed Cat Peepin'
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I'm not ready to toss Trump over this, I always sort of knew the Dreamers were probably staying, but my fear is, the road of least resistance on immigration would be to talk tough in a campaign and then do very little. Like every other Republican President. Actually tackling this problem is a bruising fight.
So if this is a long term position he doesn't change despite promising on Day 1 to rescind it, we're not off to a good start.
Posted by: Maritime at February 21, 2017 12:38 PM (J591N)
It requires they have no felonies, no major misdemeanors or no more than 3 minor misdemeanors.
Say:
"ICE will not consider DACA applications from any law enforcement jurisdiction deemed not to cooperate with ICE by refusing to provide full criminal records."
You know, sanctuary cities.
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 21, 2017 12:39 PM (AmMfi)
I don't recall a promise to rescind DACA. I recall, generally, a promise to strengthen the borders, extreme-vet immigrants, attack illegal entries, deport illegals with criminal records, etc. He hasn't backed away from the core values at all - much to the chagrin of many.
You do have to give an inch here or there in order to allay fears of too much strength in the executive. I think he's got his eye on the ball.
Not only is he smart, he's gutsy.
Posted by: One-eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at February 21, 2017 12:42 PM (gzPc2)
Posted by: gracepc at February 21, 2017 12:45 PM (OU4q6)
The point is how Trump is perceived by the much larger voting public. The strategy is to get large blocs of voters to start coming to grips with the proposition that Trump is not evil - that he has redeeming social value.
Posted by: One-eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at February 21, 2017 12:54 PM (gzPc2)
Build the wall
Get rid of the illegals in prison.
Get rid of the illegals who are welfare drains.
Get rid of motor-voter, same-day registration, require RealID, etc.
Then deal with the dreamers.
Posted by: DocJ at February 21, 2017 12:56 PM (NYS7S)
Posted by: Jean at February 21, 2017 01:01 PM (zZb/S)
Deporting the dreamers really is a non-starter. And giving some leeway on this takes a big cudgel out of the left's hand.
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 21, 2017 11:47 AM (o/Ar3)
^^^
This. Not exactly happy, but I think the leeway is extremely useful. After all, look at the situation with the Travel Ban and the way that was rhetorically exploited.
Yes, it's true anything can be thus exploited. But I think in this case there'd be enormous diminishing returns on tracking down the "dreamers", plus Trump gets the valuable image of looking moderate by making a "concession" that's been in the works for months anyway.
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 21, 2017 01:03 PM (Hi8cV)
Posted by: KABOOM at February 21, 2017 01:08 PM (tO3dn)
Posted by: One-eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at February 21, 2017 01:13 PM (gzPc2)
As long as I'm going to get my three walls, I'm fine with Trump showing some kindness to people who were, let's be blunt, invited here with open arms by the establishment (not by "we the people," but "we the people" have been out of power from 1989-2016). We know the establishment politicians encouraged them to come here, offering the promise of jobs and welfare. I don't think we're obligated to keep the Dreamers, but neither is it imperative to kick them out. Most of them are not bad people. As long as they stay out of trouble, and are productive members of society, and as long as I get my THREE WALLS (physical, legal, executive), I would actually prefer that Trump lets them stay. They've been jerked around by the establishment as much as we have.
The only way to truly fix the mess created by the establishment is to have border security going forward (otherwise, there will be a never-ending flow of people whom it would be mean to kick out, and whether we kick them out or not, either way it's a mess). As long as we get that fix, one last amnesty is, at minimum, tolerable, if not preferable.
Posted by: Daryl Herbert at February 21, 2017 01:14 PM (BHpB+)
Who the fuck knows who is and isn't a "dreamer".
They are all illeagal trebuchet all of these pieces of shit out of the country
Posted by: Kreplach at February 21, 2017 01:15 PM (CUqb9)
1. They can never become citizens AND
2. National voter ID
Posted by: Flowerbelle1 at February 21, 2017 01:25 PM (AkAvN)
I can see in the works that all those bastard states who are giving in-state tuition to illegals but not to American citizens are going to be in a bit of trouble because those "students" will have benefitted from public dollars at the expense of U.S. citizens and will be in line for deportation soon.
His list of priority deportations is growing - no longer just violent criminals, we are talking about gross misdemeanors and regular misdemeanors now.
Quite impressive.
Posted by: doug at February 21, 2017 01:35 PM (Y7fRE)
Posted by: doug at February 21, 2017 01:36 PM (Y7fRE)
1. They can never become citizens AND
2. National voter ID
Posted by: Flowerbelle1 at February 21, 2017 01:25 PM (AkAvN)
Well, National Voter ID for Federal elections anyhow, let the states make the choices for their elections.
Posted by: doug at February 21, 2017 01:39 PM (Y7fRE)
Posted by: It's me donna at February 21, 2017 01:43 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Kaldar at February 21, 2017 02:06 PM (uA8nN)
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 21, 2017 11:44 AM (o/Ar3)
Am I shocked people voted for Trump because the promises of "professional" politicians seemed to be written in disappearing ink, only to find Trump is using the same pen? Shocked? No. Annoyed? Yes.
Posted by: Ace's liver at February 21, 2017 02:34 PM (Xuv2G)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 21, 2017 05:56 PM (P/kVC)
Posted by: Josh at February 21, 2017 06:13 PM (kEZRV)
Posted by: Great Reagan's Deplorable Ghost at February 21, 2017 09:11 PM (DeU1P)
Posted by: Noname at February 22, 2017 08:42 AM (MmwoZ)
Posted by: Ace's liver at February 21, 2017 02:34 PM (Xuv2G)
Wait until the "10 dimensional chess" statements start rolling in...Oh, wait...
Posted by: West Town at February 22, 2017 09:03 AM (yNwFS)
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