Fake Conservatives Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski Announce They'll Be Voting Against Education Secretary Nominee Molly DeVos

This means that she starts with only 50 votes, at most. One less than that, actually, because Jeff Sessions won't be a Senator for long (and governor will have to appoint a replacement -- and I don't know how long that takes).

Without the new Liberal Twins, the best she can hope for is a 50-50 tie, assuming a Sessions replacement willing to vote for her, with Pence breaking the tie with an Aye.

The Liberal Twins say they're against her because she doesn't seem All-In on the current education system, but rather seems All-In on school choice and vouchers.

And that is her biggest selling point. The system is failed. It has failed for 50 years, despite nonstop headlines Education In Crisis and constant tinkering and supposed fixes from the Department of Education.

It's time to let parents choose, and to make schools accountable to their customers.

Posted by: Ace at 04:00 PM

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1 Jerks!

Posted by: Lizzy at February 01, 2017 04:01 PM (NOIQH)

2 Wondering if Trump team is in contact with Dem Senators that could assist with this?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 01, 2017 04:02 PM (NOIQH)

3 That is her biggest selling point and that is exactly why the teachers here in Cali are screaming about how horrible a choice this is. Because they really don't want to be held accountable for any thing.

Posted by: IC at February 01, 2017 04:02 PM (a0IVu)

4 Yeah. You know they're thinking about switching parties completely.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 01, 2017 04:02 PM (yL25O)

5 It's not about education, it's about indoctrination, get w/the program!

Posted by: BignJames at February 01, 2017 04:03 PM (x9c8r)

6 This strikes me as exceedingly foolish on their parts, because I think parents will take a very dim view of this vote. Their political futures should now be very much in doubt. Should.

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:03 PM (LAe3v)

7 If the Lady Rinos vote "no" it could be 50-50, but if they abstain from voting DeVos could be approved 50-48

Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at February 01, 2017 04:03 PM (5fSr7)

8 Have these women no honor?

Posted by: Juan McCain at February 01, 2017 04:03 PM (TnUKj)

9 2
Wondering if Trump team is in contact with Dem Senators that could assist with this?

Posted by: Lizzy

Manchin is the most obvious one.

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:04 PM (LAe3v)

10 Any chance that the RNC or Senate fundraising committee with punish these bints when it's time for reelection?

Posted by: sunny-dee at February 01, 2017 04:04 PM (QAOZh)

11 I dont' get it. What's in it for them to be against her?

Union money?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 01, 2017 04:04 PM (DNPz2)

12 By all means lets continue the 40+ year slide of education in America. Maybe 4 more years of the same will help things.

Posted by: john doesky at February 01, 2017 04:05 PM (8WHiH)

13 There was something about rural schools too but I don't know the specifics. I know Murkowski was asking about rural areas in her hearings.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 01, 2017 04:05 PM (4ErVI)

14 An artist I follow that lives in Michigan has been screaming that he doesn't want this woman anywhere near his son's education. But he never says WHY, he just yells about how horrible she is.

Posted by: pookysgirl at February 01, 2017 04:05 PM (GBv5/)

15 I look forward to GOPe squish Joe Manchin coming to save us.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:05 PM (ThL6N)

16 It's time to let parents choose, and to make schools accountable to their customers.

You'd actually put the parents ahead of the state? Josif Vissarionovich would not approve.

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:05 PM (LAe3v)

17 10 Any chance that the RNC or Senate fundraising committee with punish these bints when it's time for reelection?
Posted by: sunny-dee at February 01, 2017 04:04 PM (QAOZh)

They pretty much hold our majority in their hands, n'est ce pas?

Posted by: TexasDan at February 01, 2017 04:05 PM (yL25O)

18 Primary time.

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 01, 2017 04:06 PM (hrlSe)

19 From the last thread:

Should be reassigned to the committee for overseeing portapotties at National Parks.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2017 04:06 PM (W2Fol)

20 When are Collins and Murkowski up for reelection? Anyone morons in their district fancy a primary challenge?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 01, 2017 04:06 PM (KUaJL)

21 Mind you, this was the same liberal artist griping about...... Common Core. *facepalm*

Posted by: pookysgirl at February 01, 2017 04:06 PM (GBv5/)

22 I can't 'Jump to the Bottom of Page'!

Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2017 04:06 PM (PPu+l)

23 10 Any chance that the RNC or Senate fundraising committee with punish these bints when it's time for reelection?
Posted by: sunny-dee at February 01, 2017 04:04 PM (QAOZh)

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Isn't the senate finance committee's explicit purpose to support Republican incumbents?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:06 PM (ThL6N)

24 I'd read it more as they need Trump to give them a call out on Twitter.

The TrumpStar is fully operational and powered up.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 01, 2017 04:06 PM (hecJ2)

25
Murkowski -- 2022

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot at February 01, 2017 04:06 PM (BK3ZS)

26 Well, they got 56 votes for Tillerson so it isn't inconceivable they could pull at least ONE Democrat in a red state.

But these two really do suck.

Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (xeeHA)

27 I can't conceive of why anyone would oppose this woman for the job, unless they are just a stooge of the teacher's unions.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (39g3+)

28 isn't there a special place in Hell for women who don't support other women?

hey, maybe that could be the title of Hillary's next book, "A Special Place in Hell"

Posted by: mallflower on the range at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (b7fwp)

29 Well, now that I've heard the well-thought out reasoning they used to make their decision, I can honestly say

FUCK YOU, ASSHOLES.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (jjaLl)

30 Any chance that the RNC or Senate fundraising committee with punish these bints when it's time for reelection?
Posted by: sunny-dee at February 01, 2017 04:04 PM (QAOZh)

They pretty much hold our majority in their hands, n'est ce pas?
Posted by: TexasDan

Reassign them to scut committee posts.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (W2Fol)

31 Paging Joe Manchin...

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (ul9CR)

32 Collins faces her next election in 2020. Murkowski in 2022. I didn't even realize Murkowski was up in 2016. Seems only yesterday she was skeeving her way past Joe Miller, but that happened in 2010.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (R+30W)

33 Lisa Murcokeski : Education Champeen

*eyeroll*

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (toH8T)

34 Well, I just checked, and LM just won reelection, and SC has another 4 years to go, and judging from her shaky voice and body, might not run for reelection. So, you know, they don't care what the little people want.

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (LAe3v)

35 With four kids, Catholic school is expensive... and worth every penny. I was asked to come to school today for an event thanking police officers and firefighters.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (VV72c)

36 OTOH...this problem goes away if we just kill off the Dept of Education. Figuratively.

If anyone is up for not-figuratively, I could be convinced to free up my schedule this weekend.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (yL25O)

37

Hey

Sessions is after this

So he can still vote

Posted by: ThunderB at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (0D4kT)

38 Collins sez "The mission of the Department of Education is fraught, but supporting public education is at its core."

Um, no. My preference is to shut down the department, but until that happy day its core mission is education. Not supporting the public ~~education~~ indoctrination system.

Posted by: butch at February 01, 2017 04:08 PM (0APJ3)

39 I still see vulnerable Dems voting 'yes' if it looks 50-50 with a Pence tiebreaker. Any less support and Manchin and Heidkamp will vote 'no'.

Posted by: JEM at February 01, 2017 04:08 PM (TppKb)

40 Hot Air says Jeff Sessions's yet-to-be-identified replacement is practically already in the locker room ready to come out and play when Jeff is promoted. And if he's not, I don't see any reason not to just wait the week or month or whatever, rather than go to the confirmation vote with an empty seat.

Also, we have Pence to break the tie. So it should be fine.

Posted by: joe at February 01, 2017 04:08 PM (timOb)

41 I'd like to apply ace's stratgery on these clowns.

Primary their asses. Throw Tillis in there, too.

Posted by: Golfman at February 01, 2017 04:08 PM (k0S3A)

42 An artist I follow that lives in Michigan has been screaming that he doesn't want this woman anywhere near his son's education. But he never says WHY, he just yells about how horrible she is.
Posted by: pookysgirl at February 01, 2017 04:05 PM (GBv5/)\
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Personally, I don't want ANYONE at the federal level near my daughter's education.

Beat that, liberal pussy!

Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 01, 2017 04:08 PM (xeeHA)

43 The special needs moms here are worried that DeVos would not be good for special education based on her non-answer during the confirmation hearings. Frankly I did not hear anything negative from her so I think it's basically they are worried federal money will be cut off for services. Naturally me telling them it is the state's responsibility did not go down too well.

Posted by: IC at February 01, 2017 04:08 PM (a0IVu)

44 defund the Department of Education

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 01, 2017 04:08 PM (iToY3)

45 34 Well, I just checked, and LM just won reelection, and SC has another 4 years to go, and judging from her shaky voice and body, might not run for reelection. So, you know, they don't care what the little people want.
Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (LAe3v)

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And, Maine is really weird, so we could get pretty much anyone to replace Collins.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:08 PM (ThL6N)

46 Petty little tyrants

Senator = 1/100 emperor

Posted by: Muldoon at February 01, 2017 04:08 PM (wPiJc)

47 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at February 01, 2017 04:09 PM (GwIKd)

48 Have you heard about my new book?
War And Yeast.
Pre-order now!

Posted by: Lisa Mulluski at February 01, 2017 04:09 PM (fqERy)

49 If I had to venture a guess, neither one of these two hags voted for their party's candidate on 11/8. They are sorry excuses for Republicans. IOW, they aren't supportive of their own president from their own party.

Posted by: Lady in Black - LONG LIVE THE SCALP WEASEL at February 01, 2017 04:09 PM (+FSld)

50 Since the vouchers don't equal per student spending, each voucher leaves more dollars per student in the public system. But they don't care about the kids. They care that they would have fewer administrators and bureaucrats.

Posted by: Lord Sir x at February 01, 2017 04:09 PM (nFwvY)

51 I willowed below that this has probably been orchestrated. I don't think the Republicans are ready to deliver a failed nomination to Trump yet.

Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2017 04:09 PM (tewYv)

52 47 Yo!

'SUP?

Posted by: 'SUP? at February 01, 2017 04:09 PM (ul9CR)

53
They learned NOTHING from 2016.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:09 PM (prTbl)

54 Who know why they have a bone up their wherever because its a fed department that should never have been made.

Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2017 04:09 PM (Frvrc)

55 OTOH...this problem goes away if we just kill off the Dept of Education.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (yL25O)

That would be my ace in the hole. Don't like my pick for SecEd? How about we just Dept of Ed altogether.

Posted by: Golfman at February 01, 2017 04:09 PM (k0S3A)

56 Primary time.
Posted by: Joe Mama

Where are we with term limits, because that's the only way to get the dead wood out of here.

Tie it to their pension, you forfeit it after "X" amount of terms. No need for a Constitutional Amendment.

Posted by: Maritime at February 01, 2017 04:09 PM (qRZ4c)

57 "these two really do suck"

can confirm

Posted by: Lisa M's coke straw at February 01, 2017 04:09 PM (iToY3)

58 Reassign them to scut committee posts.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (W2Fol)

If they switch parties then, though, we're right back to interesting times.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (yL25O)

59 Also have to wonder if they traded their vote for something else.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (NOIQH)

60 I've tried to explain this to my wife, who is largely LiV, and doesn't like DeVos: The system needs to be broken up. Break up funding, break the government monopoly, and rip the heart out of higher ed.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (oVJmc)

61 Would be curious to see how much they receive from the teachers unions.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (QMG4P)

62 Murkowski has permanent RBF.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (ul9CR)

63 The dirty secret the Democrats really don't like to think about is that minorities, particularly poor blacks, LOVE school choice. Its overwhelmingly popular among black parents.

That the Department of Education has been a catastrophic failure at every single one of the stated goals in creating the agency to begin with is incontrovertible. The only question is how fast, not whether, the entire department should be leveled.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (39g3+)

64 This is my shocked ass crack. :-/

Yes, the two members of the Senate Mensa drinking sorority like the failing education system the way it is. Everyone is surprised

Posted by: Marcus T at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (llUHc)

65 And, Maine is really weird, so we could get pretty much anyone to replace Collins.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Tanned, rested and ready, baby.

Posted by: Olympia Snowe at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (LAe3v)

66 They learned NOTHING from 2016.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:09 PM (prTbl)

The whole landscape is changing and they're still in their Vichy Republican world

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (493sH)

67 If anyone is up for not-figuratively, I could be convinced to free up my schedule this weekend.
==

I could squeeze you in between selling non-fair trade GMO coffee at 8 and my 10 o'clock with Monsanto.

Posted by: Literally Hitler at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (toH8T)

68 34 Well, I just checked, and LM just won reelection, and SC has another 4 years to go, and judging from her shaky voice and body, might not run for reelection. So, you know, they don't care what the little people want.
Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:07 PM (LAe3v)

I don't know what will happen in Alaska. But from a Mainer, here's what's going to happen in Maine: In 2018, Gov. LePage is term limited. Susan Collins will run for Governor. She will win. The day after election day, Susan will resign from the Senate. Governor LePage will appoint *himself* to the open Senate seat. Trump will have the pleasure of working with Senator LePage for two years (at least) and then he'll have incumbent advantage when running for re-election.

Posted by: joe at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (timOb)

69 You don't buy your groceries at a specific government ordered grocery store bc of where you live.

Why do you have to use the schools the government orders bc of where you live?

And yes, local residents do provide the bulk of the money to run the good local schools. So they should always be allowed to attend those local schools. But failing schools should not be given a school-full of customers just because.

Posted by: Boots at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (EBwPV)

70
If you look at their voting records for ALL of obama's nominees, these two Shits, Collins and Murkowski, voted for them all.

I'll bet my left nut on it.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (prTbl)

71 62 Murkowski has permanent RBF.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (ul9CR)

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Really Beautiful Feet?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (ThL6N)

72 Those two ought to be belittled, especially Murkowski. But we should make sure to make it clear that they ought to be opposed for trying to f**k over DeVos in order to help keep kids trapped in public schools, and not over the mere objection per se to Trump, because as totes fun "LOL total war" can be, normalizing absolute deference to a President is not a well thought out idea.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 01, 2017 04:11 PM (OzJeO)

73 I don't think it's accurate to call Murkowski and Collins conservatives. They aren't.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:11 PM (/tuJf)

74 It's an advice and consent procedure and unless there is some extraordinary circumstance , the President should have his nominees approved no matter what party.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 01, 2017 04:11 PM (AC18V)

75 Unfortunately there are a lot of people in Maine who agree with Collins. Lots of folks on the system who like things the way they are.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 01, 2017 04:11 PM (llUHc)

76 "Fake Conservatives Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski"

Has Murkowski ever even lightly pretended to conservatism?

She's a pure porkservative by inclination.

Very popular thing to be, in Alaska.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 01, 2017 04:11 PM (noWW6)

77 And here we see the GOPe eating one of their own that has strayed from the herd and become contaminated.

Betsy DeVos is a member in good standing with the Michigan Republican Party, having been state party chair in the past and quite a loyalist. Since she has agreed to help the Trump Administration she is to be destroyed. Despite the fact that the DeVos' are a political power in the state party, despite the fact that the state just slip into the GOP column nationally for the first time in decades.

Great job, gals. Way to play the game.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet sponsors The Man in the High Dudgeon! at February 01, 2017 04:11 PM (hLRSq)

78 I occasionally enjoy cocaine.

Posted by: Lisa Murkycoks at February 01, 2017 04:11 PM (+INtM)

79
I issue a Challenge!

I challenge anyone to show me a No vote by Collins or Murkowski on any of obama's nominees for anything.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:11 PM (prTbl)

80 68
I don't know what will happen in Alaska. But from a Mainer, here's what's going to happen in Maine: In 2018, Gov. LePage is term limited. Susan Collins will run for Governor. She will win. The day after election day, Susan will resign from the Senate. Governor LePage will appoint *himself* to the open Senate seat. Trump will have the pleasure of working with Senator LePage for two years (at least) and then he'll have incumbent advantage when running for re-election.
Posted by: joe at February 01, 2017 04:10 PM (timOb)

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Could you use your ability to see the future to tell me who's going to win the next couple of Super Bowls?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:11 PM (ThL6N)

81 I still see vulnerable Dems voting 'yes' if it looks 50-50 with a Pence tiebreaker. Any less support and Manchin and Heidkamp will vote 'no'.
Posted by: JEM

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Once Republicans start folding, Democrats than have plenty of cover to also vote no and point to the RINOs

That's why more and more I'm thinking it might actually be better to have Democrats representing blue states rather than RINO Republicans

Posted by: Maritime at February 01, 2017 04:12 PM (qRZ4c)

82 So two union DIABLOs refuse to vote for her because she does not toe the union line. Now tell me again whay we must settle for DIABLOs in blue States, whichj supposedly AK is not?

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 01, 2017 04:12 PM (mpXpK)

83 That the Department of Education has been a catastrophic failure at every single one of the stated goals in creating the agency to begin with is incontrovertible. The only question is how fast, not whether, the entire department should be leveled.

Yesterday fast enough?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2017 04:12 PM (W2Fol)

84
Collins pulled this shit before when Bush was in office. She had all kinds of principles back then, too.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:12 PM (prTbl)

85 Very popular thing to be, in Alaska.

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Speaking of Alaska and literally hitlers...

Where is Sarah P?

Is she just fading away?

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:12 PM (toH8T)

86 74 It's an advice and consent procedure and unless there is some extraordinary circumstance , the President should have his nominees approved no matter what party.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 01, 2017 04:11 PM (AC18V)

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Incorrect. The Senate can reject whoever they want for whatever reason they want.

"We don't like his face" is as valid a reason as "He's a danger to the republic".

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:13 PM (ThL6N)

87
Has Murkowski ever even lightly pretended to conservatism?

She's a pure porkservative by inclination.

Very popular thing to be, in Alaska.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 01, 2017 04:11 PM (noWW6)

She won by write-in in the primary, or was that the general?

In any event, not a level of support to be laughed at.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 01, 2017 04:13 PM (yL25O)

88 The system hasn't failed, the system is fine. The problem is bad students, not bad schools. Imagine that instead of learnings 3Rs, students practiced golf for 12 years. They'd all get pretty good at golf, but most of them would max out pretty quicky, like by age 15. And some would be incredible golfers and would continue to improve. That's basically the ed system. A lot of students have already maxed out. No reason to create the typical American mess (public and private mixed, to mass confusion) just because some students are already maxed out.

Posted by: bjrubbs at February 01, 2017 04:13 PM (3PYMx)

89 Could you use your ability to see the future to tell me who's going to win the next couple of Super Bowls?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:11 PM (ThL6N)

Paul LePage wins everything. He's like Trump but without all the poise and polish. You're going to be sick of #winning.

Posted by: joe at February 01, 2017 04:13 PM (timOb)

90 So these two Democrats In All But Name kill the DeVos nomination and Trump announces he's closing the Department of Education (that educates precisely nobody), transferring the handful of useful functions of the now-former department to other agencies, laying-off the rest (probably 70-80 percent of the total employment of the, again, now-former department), and appointing DeVos to a position in the administration overseeing the Ed functions of the new department that doesn't need Senate confirmation.

Or, the Senate can vote again, this time with at least 50-votes to confirm.

Their choice.

#Winning

Posted by: DocJ at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (7bkOX)

91 It's possible Manchin could be a crossover vote, he's been bucking Crocodile Tears Schumer pretty regularly.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (xpfRn)

92

Sessions WILL get to vote

Posted by: ThunderB at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (0D4kT)

93 we should make sure to make it clear that they ought to be opposed for trying to f**k over DeVos in order to help keep kids trapped in public schools

Exactly. The problem here isn't that they are bucking Trump, but that they are taking sides against kids.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (39g3+)

94 83 That the Department of Education has been a catastrophic failure at every single one of the stated goals in creating the agency to begin with is incontrovertible. The only question is how fast, not whether, the entire department should be leveled.

Yesterday fast enough?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2017 04:12 PM (W2Fol)

I said I could be there this weekend. It's just push push push with you people all the time.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (yL25O)

95 BTW, Sessions will vote yes so it's 50-50 with Pence warming in the bullpen.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (/tuJf)

96 Man, I hates me some rino squishes. They are an abomination, like chocolate-covered turds.

Posted by: irright at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (pMGkg)

97 I live in a Very good School District, the School is like a college campus. I will not be sending my son there because of the Gender crap etc. I will be sending him to Catholic school. Public School when I grew up in the 80's is soo different than today, to much social engineering.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (dKiJG)

98 I've tried to explain this to my wife, who is largely LiV, and doesn't like DeVos: The system needs to be broken up. Break up funding, break the government monopoly, and rip the heart out of higher ed.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles

_____

My in laws are former teachers and Republican, but are crazy loyal to public education and against vouchers.

Every bond issue, every budget override, it's always about the schools getting more money.

Posted by: Maritime at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (qRZ4c)

99 Willowed from the last thread.

"Why is Ivanka going?

Lets say your dad, or son, or brother died serving your country. Knocking at the door is not just the president of the United States, but his wife to offer respects and condolences....

That's why.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 04:04 PM (39g3+) "

First, Ivanka is not Trump's wife, LOL, she's his daughter.
Melania is not in DC, she is in NYC with Barron until the end of the school year. This was announced weeks ago , that Melania would attend functions scheduled that required her presence but that she would not be in DC full time until June.

Ivanka is an appropriate substitute for her step mother as not only is she also a Trump, but she is married to one of Trump's advisors and has been given a security clearance.

Certainly I would prefer that Melania be there, but as we have complained about over the past 8 years, we don't elect a first lady, they come along as part of the package and are not expected to do anything other than traditional first lady duties. We also do not know , but I suspect, that Melania has personally sent condolences to this Seal's family, and Ivanka will be a genuine and respectful representative of the first lady's office and of the country.

Posted by: Jen at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (z0fov)

100 A fine display of bipartisanship! Good to see that not all Republicans will be blind followers of Trump and his fascist agenda! There is hope for our nation yet!

Posted by: Your Betters at the MFM at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (qJhUV)

101 What's the Senate version of the Whip called? Google says it's Whip - but also majority leader.

Hmm. It's John Cornyn.

Even so, I don't see any way that the Republican Senate delivers a loss to Trump on a nominee.

Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2017 04:15 PM (tewYv)

102 But failing schools should not be given a school-full of customers just because.

Posted by: Boots

Customers? They're inmates. They're forced to go there against their wills.

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:15 PM (LAe3v)

103 Susan Collins' voice causes paint to peel.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2017 04:15 PM (PY9jH)

104 If you send your kid to a religious school, what kind of education to you expect them to get?
If you send your kid to a military school, what kind of an education do you expect them to get?
More importantly, if you send your kid to a government school, what kind of education do you expect them to get?
Now you know why we want school choice.

Posted by: lordoftheSmith at February 01, 2017 04:15 PM (1nAjA)

105 So these two Democrats In All But Name kill the DeVos nomination and Trump announces he's closing the Department of Education (that educates precisely nobody), transferring the handful of useful functions of the now-former department to other agencies, laying-off the rest (probably 70-80 percent of the total employment of the, again, now-former department), and appointing DeVos to a position in the administration overseeing the Ed functions of the new department that doesn't need Senate confirmation.

Or, the Senate can vote again, this time with at least 50-votes to confirm.

Their choice.

#Winning

And THEN Trump kills the department.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2017 04:15 PM (W2Fol)

106 98 My in laws are former teachers and Republican, but are crazy loyal to public education and against vouchers.

Every bond issue, every budget override, it's always about the schools getting more money.
Posted by: Maritime at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (qRZ4c)

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"For the children."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:15 PM (ThL6N)

107 unless they are just a ~~stooge~~ whores for the teacher's unions.

Fixed.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 01, 2017 04:15 PM (ty7RM)

108 "OTOH...this problem goes away if we just kill off the Dept of Education."

I will remember till my dying day having a butthurt local liberal loon blurting out the words, "I can't believe that in a country that once put a man on the Moon, there's serious talk about doing away with the Department of Education."

Yes, the DeptEd, created by Jimmy Carter in 1979, was absolutely instrumental in the triumph of the Apollo program in the 1960s.

::: facepalm :::

Posted by: torquewrench at February 01, 2017 04:15 PM (noWW6)

109 Has Schumer called for Sessions to abstain yet?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 01, 2017 04:15 PM (kTF2Z)

110 --

BTW, Sessions will vote yes so it's 50-50 with Pence warming in the bullpen.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM
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Aren't you making assumptions about our other squishes, or have they announced their votes already?

Posted by: irright at February 01, 2017 04:15 PM (pMGkg)

111 Meh. Fine. I've never agreed with the idea of "you must vote with your party or you're a traitor".

Now... are they voting according to the will of their States? If it weren't for the 17th Amendment, this might be an easier problem to solve.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 04:15 PM (71OEY)

112 Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:13 PM (ThL6N)

I didn't say they couldn't. I'm saying that wasn't the intent of the advice and consent power given to the Senate.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 01, 2017 04:16 PM (AC18V)

113 It's time to let parents choose, and to make schools accountable to their customers.
___
If you let people choose, they might choose wrong!

Posted by: The Left at February 01, 2017 04:16 PM (X7E8f)

114 DocJ, can Trump do that, or will this be an Andrew Johnson thing where he gets impeached for firing disloyal assholes?

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 01, 2017 04:16 PM (iToY3)

115 With four kids, Catholic school is expensive... and worth every penny.

+++

I so much want to do that. 2 kids and I have no idea how to pay for it. Is it bad to start in 3RD grade ? After kindergarten?

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at February 01, 2017 04:16 PM (RloYm)

116 Clearly they are Misogynists!!

Posted by: Darth Randall at February 01, 2017 04:16 PM (6n332)

117 Speaking of Alaska and literally hitlers...

Where is Sarah P?

Is she just fading away?
Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:12 PM (toH8T

She is active on Facebook.

Posted by: Jen at February 01, 2017 04:17 PM (z0fov)

118 4 Yeah. You know they're thinking about switching parties completely.

Yea, what a couple of assholes!! Not like me, Yo!

Posted by: Phantom Arlen Spectre. at February 01, 2017 04:17 PM (b7hVa)

119 Public schools are nothing more than liberal indoctrination centers.

Raising children to be dumbed-down, loyal little progs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2017 04:17 PM (PY9jH)

120 Incorrect. The Senate can reject whoever they want for whatever reason they want.

Correct, and that's within their power. However, one would hope they do so out of proper, reasonable, legal, and character concerns, not just "I don't like their face."

Advice and Consent does not presume consent, it presumes the Senate acts as a representative of the American people and a check against the executive branch's excesses.

However, out of respect for the newly elected president and a desire to give the new guy his shot, they almost never say no to a cabinet appointment or cause trouble approving any.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 04:17 PM (39g3+)

121 Is the Senate done for the day? Or do they have another vote in them?

Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 01, 2017 04:17 PM (xeeHA)

122 Collins pulled this shit before when Bush was in office. She had all kinds of principles back then, too.
Posted by: Soothsayer GT

Did she ever vote against Obama nominees?

Somehow these RINOs always find the tiniest reason to vote against conservatives but can overlook everything in the name of civility when it comes to liberal Democrats.

Posted by: Maritime at February 01, 2017 04:17 PM (qRZ4c)

123 I.m with Senator Tom Collins. Wrong side of history.

Posted by: Lisa Mulluski at February 01, 2017 04:17 PM (fqERy)

124 And that is her biggest selling point. The system is failed. It has failed for 50 years, despite nonstop headlines Education In Crisis and constant tinkering and supposed fixes from the Department of Education.

The system - Education - has no business in Washington, to begin with. Education is clearly and wholly in under the auspices of the individual states.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 01, 2017 04:17 PM (zc3Db)

125 He's like Trump but without all the poise and polish.

Okay, I am not sure if that is snark or what, but I will have to check this person out.

Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2017 04:17 PM (tewYv)

126
Its always those damn men keepin the women-folk down.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 01, 2017 04:17 PM (ODxAs)

127 News flash: the current education system sucks elephant ass. MOAR UNIONS and MOAR MONEY don't work. Period. Full stop.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 01, 2017 04:18 PM (0mRoj)

128 "Ms Collins, President Trump holding on line."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 01, 2017 04:18 PM (ty7RM)

129 >>Aren't you making assumptions about our other squishes, or have they announced their votes already?

I'm making the assumption that a great deal of this is kabuki theater. McConnell and his team can count to 50 and once they have what they need they can release Senators to "vote their conscience" (read pander to their voters) because they know they have the votes.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:18 PM (/tuJf)

130 The system hasn't failed, the system is fine. The problem is bad students, not bad schools.

So why not let the "bad students" transfer to a private school of their choice? They get what they want and might even start performing better, while the remaining students in public ed get rid of the troublemakers and can concentrate on their studies. Or are you just trolling?

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:18 PM (LAe3v)

131 dirty secret the Democrats really don't like to think about is that minorities, particularly poor blacks, LOVE school choice. Its overwhelmingly popular among black parents.

+++

Correct. They don't want the parents to send them to the all white suburban schools they all ran off to.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at February 01, 2017 04:18 PM (RloYm)

132 DocJ, can Trump do that, or will this be an Andrew Johnson thing where he gets impeached for firing disloyal assholes?
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 01, 2017 04:16 PM (iToY3)

Morons have posted earlier that the Department of Education was created by the congress and is a statute, therefore can only be killed by Congress.

And that will never happen.

Posted by: Jen at February 01, 2017 04:19 PM (z0fov)

133 The system hasn't failed, the system is fine. The problem is bad students, not bad schools. Imagine that instead of learnings 3Rs, students practiced golf for 12 years. They'd all get pretty good at golf, but most of them would max out pretty quicky, like by age 15. And some would be incredible golfers and would continue to improve. That's basically the ed system. A lot of students have already maxed out. No reason to create the typical American mess (public and private mixed, to mass confusion) just because some students are already maxed out.
Posted by: bjrubbs

Wrong and bad analogy.

We have a system that has been foundered on a rock of mediocrity, credentials based in ideology, no competition, and sub-cultures that treat school as a daycare program.

Public and private isn't confusing since we already have parochial schools acting as the private half.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 01, 2017 04:20 PM (DNPz2)

134 Hey everybody.

Sorry to threadjack yet again, but oh man... (from Daily Caller)

Mother of Child Slaughtered by Illegal Immigrant Confronts Nancy Pelosi - Video

http://tinyurl.com/hnw7qkq

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 01, 2017 04:20 PM (u8kLQ)

135 112 I didn't say they couldn't. I'm saying that wasn't the intent of the advice and consent power given to the Senate.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 01, 2017 04:16 PM (AC18V)

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Yes, it pretty explicitly was the intent of the advise and consent power.

Separation of Powers was meant to be a real check on all branches of government, not a nicety to follow.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:20 PM (ThL6N)

136 Trump should take Collins and Murkowski on a helicopter ride to talk about things.

Posted by: HugoStiglitz at February 01, 2017 04:20 PM (aOqpx)

137 Theater. McConnel has 50 so he's allowing them to vote no. From what I understand, school choice isn't real popular in their states.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 01, 2017 04:20 PM (kTF2Z)

138 Correct, and that's within their power. However, one would hope they do so out of proper, reasonable, legal, and character concerns, not just "I don't like their face."

Advice and Consent does not presume consent, it presumes the Senate acts as a representative of the American people and a check against the executive branch's excesses.

However, out of respect for the newly elected president and a desire to give the new guy his shot, they almost never say no to a cabinet appointment or cause trouble approving any.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I agree, I think a President should get the nominee they choose for a Cabinet position unless there's some extraordinary circumstances like say ethical issues or corruption.

This isn't a Constitutional issue I'm arguing, just one of basic Party loyalty and civility.

I would even be inclined to give the opposite party's President their pick except in more severe cases.

Posted by: Maritime at February 01, 2017 04:20 PM (qRZ4c)

139 "Ms Collins, President Trump holding on line."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 01, 2017 04:18 PM (ty7RM)

Trump: I'm not holding anything except the enemy. I'm going to hold onto him by the nose and kick him in the ass

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 01, 2017 04:20 PM (493sH)

140 They rightfully hate her because she is prettier than they are.

Posted by: All Ugly Women at February 01, 2017 04:20 PM (YmHYa)

141 The system is a disaster. Every new innovation out of Washington makes things worse.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 04:21 PM (39g3+)

142 Murkowski. That's a Russian name isn't it?

Posted by: Muldoon at February 01, 2017 04:21 PM (wPiJc)

143 120 However, out of respect for the newly elected president and a desire to give the new guy his shot, they almost never say no to a cabinet appointment or cause trouble approving any.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 04:17 PM (39g3+)

====================

That's definitely the common practice now.

The senate used to reject a lot more candidates for cabinets in the early 19th century, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:21 PM (ThL6N)

144 Meh. Fine. I've never agreed with the idea of "you must vote with your party or you're a traitor".
===

Right. It's about D vs R.

Not about correcting a failed institution by applying free market principles and Republican core tenets.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:21 PM (toH8T)

145 Trump should take Collins and Murkowski on a helicopter ride to talk about things.
Posted by: HugoStiglitz

Remembering that scene in Scarface...

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 01, 2017 04:21 PM (u8kLQ)

146 Time for Alaskans and Mainers to burn up the phones to the Senate!!!

Posted by: Beverly at February 01, 2017 04:21 PM (rqH+8)

147 Separation of Powers was meant to be a real check on all branches of government, not a nicety to follow.

Then you better have a damn good reason and not a case of butthurt.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2017 04:21 PM (W2Fol)

148 Free Beacon has the teachers union donation angle covered:

The two Republicans who broke ranks with their party and announced they would vote against education secretary nominee Betsy DeVos have received thousands of dollars from the nation's largest teachers union.

Sens. Lisa Murkowski (R., Alaska) and Susan Collins (R., Maine) have each benefited from contributions from the National Education Association. Collins received $2,000 from the union in 2002 and 2008, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Murkowski, meanwhile, has received $23,500.

And the NEA donates almost exclusively to Dems.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/z5s9kv8

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 01, 2017 04:21 PM (xpfRn)

149 Collins pulled this shit before when Bush was in office. She had all kinds of principles back then, too.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT

Did she ever vote against Obama nominees?

She voted YES on both of Obama's NEA-Slave DepEd nominees.

FWIW, Sen. Lizzie Liewatha (Moonbat-MA) had a higher rating (23%) with the Heritage Action for America Scorecard than SuzieQ Collins (16%) in 2016.

Let that sink in for a minute.

Posted by: DocJ at February 01, 2017 04:21 PM (7bkOX)

150 Theater. McConnel has 50 so he's allowing them to
vote no. From what I understand, school choice isn't real popular in
their states.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 01, 2017 04:20 PM (kTF2Z)

yes. they have the votes. Pelosi did the same during obamacare to save seats.

Posted by: runner at February 01, 2017 04:21 PM (c6/9Q)

151 Did she ever vote against Obama nominees?

Somehow these RINOs always find the tiniest reason to vote against conservatives but can overlook everything in the name of civility when it comes to liberal Democrats.
Posted by: Maritime at February 01, 2017 04:17 PM (qRZ4c)

Susan Collins had the opportunity to kill Obamacare when it was in committee and decided to vote for cloture and freed that monstrosity to a Democratic majority Congress, who promptly(well after bribing Bart Stupak) voted it in without a single Republican vote.

Posted by: Jen at February 01, 2017 04:22 PM (z0fov)

152 The system hasn't failed, the system is fine. The problem is bad students, not bad schools.

And those bad students are 'bad' because.........

Trump? Bush? Reagan? The Lizard Pygmy People of Planet Zardoz?

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 01, 2017 04:22 PM (b7hVa)

153 145 Exactly

Posted by: HugoStiglitz at February 01, 2017 04:22 PM (aOqpx)

154 President Trump should roll the Department of Education into the Department of Defense. Let Mattis take care of it in his spare time.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 01, 2017 04:22 PM (aVYsC)

155 I am okay with these two not voting for DeVos so long as she is approved. Some of the give and take horsetrading that happens. Hey, we'll let you slide on this one if you go our way on that one.

Can't hold them all to some loyalty oath. They have constituencies, I get it.

Graham already said he was voting DeVos so that means McCain will too.

Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2017 04:22 PM (tewYv)

156 137 Theater. McConnel has 50 so he's allowing them to vote no. From what I understand, school choice isn't real popular in their states.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 01, 2017 04:20 PM (kTF2Z)

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It's like McConnell allowing Rand Paul to vote against the budget resolution that laid the groundwork for repealing the ACA a few weeks ago.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:22 PM (ThL6N)

157 DocJ, can Trump do that, or will this be an Andrew Johnson thing where he gets impeached for firing disloyal assholes?

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 01, 2017 04:16 PM (iToY3)

No, he can't. But a moron can dream.

Posted by: DocJ at February 01, 2017 04:22 PM (7bkOX)

158 Posted by: Jen at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (z0fov)

You're right.

To me, though, this is one of those unforced errors that Trump makes for really no purpose. They went out of their way to say that Ivanka has no official position. Melania, can't go for whatever reason? Fine.

Ivanka is a private citizen. Period. Full stop. This is a CIC thing. IMO she really has no business hopping on Marine One with the President and flying to a military base for something like this. Really, it doesn't get more official than something like this.

You, me, and none of the countless other private citizens of the US could go if we wanted to. Even people who are not immediate family but related could not go.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 04:22 PM (71OEY)

159 Separation of Powers was meant to be a real check on all branches of government, not a nicety to follow.

The same Constitution that left Education to the States.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 01, 2017 04:22 PM (zc3Db)

160 FWIW, Sen. Lizzie Liewatha (Moonbat-MA) had a higher rating (23%) with
the Heritage Action for America Scorecard than SuzieQ Collins (16%) in
2016.
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wow

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:22 PM (toH8T)

161 what kind of an education do you expect them to get?

++

There's a Socratic argument. What is the purpose of education? For gov schools, the answer is compliance. Not even to produce good citizens, just compliance.

Posted by: Bigbys other phone at February 01, 2017 04:23 PM (RloYm)

162 "News flash: the current education system sucks elephant ass. MOAR UNIONS and MOAR MONEY don't work. Period. Full stop."

If I ran the zoo, any K-12 school accepting federal money would have to post a large high-visibility sign at the entrance, showing the fully burdened spending per pupil per year, and the school's ranking in average student test scores.

Sunlight is an excellent disinfectant.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 01, 2017 04:23 PM (noWW6)

163 97 I live in a Very good School District, the School is like a college campus. I will not be sending my son there because of the Gender crap etc. I will be sending him to Catholic school. Public School when I grew up in the 80's is soo different than today, to much social engineering.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 01, 2017 04:14 PM (dKiJG)

I too, am an Ohioan, Patrick. Grew up in suburb of Columbus (UA). Moved and raised my family in a conservative small town. If I were raising kids in Cols today, they would be in private schools or homeschooled. The public schools within city limits SUCK.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at February 01, 2017 04:23 PM (nQ10o)

164

If i were a low income mom, cant afford to move, and by zip code my kid is doomed to a shit school

I would want a voucher

Posted by: ThunderB at February 01, 2017 04:23 PM (0D4kT)

165 Let's assume DeVos fails confirmation: What would be the fallout if, after getting someone else in (someone without her record on school choice, etc.) Trump would hire DeVos as an "advisor" and simply implement her recommendations anyway? Could anyone do anything about it they couldn't have done with DeVos as Secretary?

Posted by: irright at February 01, 2017 04:23 PM (pMGkg)

166
Murk is the first senator to win three elections with just a plurality.

She beat Joe Miller again in 2016. An "independent" ran and that hurt Joe Miller a lot. The Democrat who ran in Alaska last November against the other 3 candidates in the general got a negligible percentage.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:23 PM (prTbl)

167 This is why conservatives always need at least three more GOP senators than required for anything. Because of the RINOs.

Still, from what y'all are saying, Pence can still be the tiebreaker. Yes?

Posted by: iwuzhere at February 01, 2017 04:23 PM (GRNzr)

168 So Trump snuck off today to.......honor a fallen seal by meeting his coffin upon arrival.......uh-huh....literally Hitler for sure!///

Posted by: lindafell no longer in de spair at February 01, 2017 04:23 PM (JNDQi)

169 147
Then you better have a damn good reason and not a case of butthurt.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2017 04:21 PM (W2Fol)

=====================

"But I REALLY don't like his face."
-Chuck Schumer on Jeff Sessions

"I'm okay with that reasoning."
-Chuck Schumer's constituents

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:24 PM (ThL6N)

170 You, me, and none of the countless other private citizens of the US could go if we wanted to. Even people who are not immediate family but related could not go.

We could if the Commander in Chief asked us to go.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2017 04:24 PM (W2Fol)

171 I can say with 100% confidence that the problems of Milwaukee Public Schools have NOTHING AT ALL to do with students having 'maxed out.'

It is a massive, corrupt failure factory that permanently disadvantages thousands of students at a ridiculous price.

Places like Milwaukee need school choice*, period.

* - We have it now, sort of.

Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 01, 2017 04:24 PM (xeeHA)

172 so we rank 40th in mathematics. 24th in science, 24th in reading on global ratings
and how much is spent?

Posted by: willow at February 01, 2017 04:24 PM (R7cwD)

173 Thanks Alaska! And don't get me started on you, Maine - "f" you too.

Posted by: Publius Redux at February 01, 2017 04:25 PM (Fb9aZ)

174 159 Separation of Powers was meant to be a real check on all branches of government, not a nicety to follow.

The same Constitution that left Education to the States.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 01, 2017 04:22 PM (zc3Db)

===================

Wait...there's a 10th amendment?

Since when?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:25 PM (ThL6N)

175 Jon Gabriel has it right.
http://tinyurl.com/jakz8tf

Posted by: geoffb5 at February 01, 2017 04:25 PM (d3wbb)

176 Democrats only need 51 votes and they can do whatever they want.

Republicans need 55 to get anything done in a conservative way because there's always a few traitors out there willing to screw things up.

Cocksuckers.

Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at February 01, 2017 04:25 PM (RHqy4)

177 >>Ivanka is a private citizen. Period. Full stop. This is a CIC thing. IMO she really has no business hopping on Marine One with the President and flying to a military base for something like this. Really, it doesn't get more official than something like this.

First Lady is not an official position either but that never stopped First Ladies from accompany their husbands.

Anyone who would object to her paying her respects is just someone looking to bitch.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:25 PM (/tuJf)

178 Worthless scrunts.

Posted by: steevy at February 01, 2017 04:26 PM (r/0kC)

179
Hey everybody.

Sorry to threadjack yet again, but oh man... (from Daily Caller)

Mother of Child Slaughtered by Illegal Immigrant Confronts Nancy Pelosi - Video

http://tinyurl.com/hnw7qkq

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 01, 2017 04:20 PM (u8kLQ)

I saw that. Pelosi looked like she was going to sh*t a bowling ball.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2017 04:26 PM (PY9jH)

180 And those bad students are 'bad' because.........

Trump? Bush? Reagan? The Lizard Pygmy People of Planet Zardoz?

That's just silly. It's the Pygmy Newt People of Planet Zardoz that cause all the problems.

Posted by: The Lizard Pygmy People of Planet Zardoz at February 01, 2017 04:26 PM (LAe3v)

181 GOP better get their big boy pants on. This is war. The donks have ill-advisedly, and chaotically, gone all in on some weird kamikaze mission. Only they're paper airplanes ramming land based targets (how's that metaphor?).

trump is prez for 4 years. The donks are making enemies and will get shut out of everything. And 2018 will only make it worse.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at February 01, 2017 04:26 PM (QkS7+)

182 175 Jon Gabriel has it right.
http://tinyurl.com/jakz8tf
Posted by: geoffb5 at February 01, 2017 04:25 PM (d3wbb)

=================

I approve wholeheartedly.

I'm sure Trump will care that I said so.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:26 PM (ThL6N)

183 Ladylibertarian at February 01, 2017 04:23 PM (nQ10o)

I graduated from Pickerington when there was still one high school. I haven't lived there in years, so can't say what the schools are like now. They were pretty good when I was there, but that was almost twenty years ago.

Posted by: iwuzhere at February 01, 2017 04:26 PM (GRNzr)

184
I don't see the problem with President Trump's daughter accompanying the president to lend comfort and support to a grieving family.

And I don't like Ivanka or her pencil-neck husband at all.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:27 PM (prTbl)

185
To me, though, this is one of those unforced errors that Trump makes
for really no purpose. They went out of their way to say that Ivanka
has no official position. Melania, can't go for whatever reason? Fine.

==

Nevertrumps gotta Nevertrump

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:27 PM (toH8T)

186 144 Meh. Fine. I've never agreed with the idea of "you must vote with your party or you're a traitor".
===

Right. It's about D vs R.

Not about correcting a failed institution by applying free market principles and Republican core tenets.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:21 PM (toH8T)

Go back and read the second part of my comment.

Senators don't take and oath to be loyal to D or R. Nor to the take an oath to be ideologically pure to "free market principles" or "Republican core tenets". Those things are bugs, not features, even when I agree that they are "right".

Did they vote according to the will of their state? Yes? Then they did their job. Period. I don't agree. I don't like them and if they voted according to the will of their state, their state sucks too.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 04:27 PM (71OEY)

187 175
Jon Gabriel has it right.
http://tinyurl.com/jakz8tf

Posted by: geoffb5

Interesting. So, there may have to be a DoEd, but what would happen if it didn't have a head, i.e. Trump just left the position vacant?

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:27 PM (LAe3v)

188 "To me, though, this is one of those unforced errors that Trump makes for really no purpose. They went out of their way to say that Ivanka has no official position."

Jane D'Oh had an observation get willowed in the previous thread, about how Ivanka has lived her whole life in a glossy comfort bubble of socialite liberals on Planet Manhattan. Hence Ivanka's previous political infatuations with the likes of that ridiculous charlatan Cory Booker.

This sort of thing is a badly needed reality check for someone like Ivanka, averred Jane. Ab-so-freaking-lutely on the mark. Especially since Ivanka has her father's ear on so many issues.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 01, 2017 04:27 PM (noWW6)

189 Theater. McConnel has 50 so he's allowing them to
vote no. From what I understand, school choice isn't real popular in
their states.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 01, 2017 04:20 PM (kTF2Z)

yes. they have the votes. Pelosi did the same during obamacare to save seats.
Posted by: runner

_______

That's fine, but I really doubt one person't vote in the voting booth would change based on how they voted for Education Secretary.

These Senators just really hate the idea of school choice, both of them would comfortably win their respective general elections regardless how they voted.

Posted by: Maritime at February 01, 2017 04:28 PM (qRZ4c)

190 and how much is spent?

If there is anything the Democrats have proven, its that they are willing to spend gigantic amounts of money for each percentage point they get in a losing effort.

IMO she really has no business hopping on Marine One with the President and flying to a military base for something like this.

I think President Trump is mentoring his daughter, so this is part of the effort.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 04:28 PM (39g3+)

191 Country Boy: yup.

GOP is way, way, way, way, way overdue for really imposing strict voting discipline on its own House and Senate members. As I understand it, Tom DeLay was absolutely hated by other conservative congresscritters for enforcing just that.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 01, 2017 04:28 PM (u8kLQ)

192 Trump should remind both of these hags he owns the IRS, FEC, and DOJ. They might be interested in your campaign and personal finances.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 01, 2017 04:28 PM (fqERy)

193
You gotta love Joe Manchin's fervent undying desire to remain a Senator forever.

He will literally do and say whatever it takes to retain his seat.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:28 PM (prTbl)

194 Ivanka is a private citizen. Period. Full stop. This is a CIC thing. IMO she really has no business hopping on Marine One with the President and flying to a military base for something like this. Really, it doesn't get more official than something like this.

Not just a private citizen, the daughter of the President.

Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2017 04:29 PM (tewYv)

195 4 Yeah. You know they're thinking about switching parties completely.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 01, 2017 04:02 PM (yL25O)

Doesn't seem like a great time to be joining the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 01, 2017 04:29 PM (ZM2xo)

196 Are they voting for Pruitt today as well?

Posted by: IC at February 01, 2017 04:29 PM (a0IVu)

197 "To me, though, this is one of those unforced errors that Trump makes
for really no purpose. They went out of their way to say that Ivanka
has no official position. Melania, can't go for whatever reason? Fine"

Not looking good for Trump. Gonna be an early night.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gloaty McGloatface at February 01, 2017 04:29 PM (RwwCT)

198
Mitch McConnell on Neil Gorsuch: We Will Confirm This Nomination
Not once, not twice, but three times, McConnell pledged that this nominee would be confirmed. There's no wiggle room left here. Tactics will unfold as time takes place, but McConnell left no doubt that he has any expectation other than to see then-Justice Gorsuch seated on the High Court.

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/02/01/mitch-mcconnell-
on-neil-gorsuch-we-will-confirm-this-nomination/

Good piece by Duane Patterson over at Hot Air. Make sure to watch the fun Youtube clip at the end.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 01, 2017 04:29 PM (R+30W)

199 Trump needs a pair of brass balls like Alec Baldwin had in Glengerry Glenross.

It'd make a good prop for talks with recalcitrant senators.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 01, 2017 04:29 PM (zSMr0)

200 191 Country Boy: yup.

GOP is way, way, way, way, way overdue for really imposing strict voting discipline on its own House and Senate members. As I understand it, Tom DeLay was absolutely hated by other conservative congresscritters for enforcing just that.
Posted by: qdpsteve at February 01, 2017 04:28 PM (u8kLQ)

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Can we somehow get Ted Cruz in charge of determining when that discipline is applied?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:29 PM (ThL6N)

201 You, me, and none of the countless other private citizens of the US could go if we wanted to. Even people who are not immediate family but related could not go.
Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 04:22 PM (71OEY

I don't know about you, but I don't have a security clearance as does Ivanka. Her husband is a top White House Presidential advisor and she is the president's daughter.

Would you have felt the same way if one of the Obama daughters, say Malia respectfully accompanied her father on a condolence trip?

Posted by: Jen at February 01, 2017 04:29 PM (z0fov)

202 193
You gotta love Joe Manchin's fervent undying desire to remain a Senator forever.

He will literally do and say whatever it takes to retain his seat.
Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:28 PM (prTbl)

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Except switch parties.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:30 PM (ThL6N)

203 $10k per student per year on average, and half of the country is functionally illiterate.

It's time to give a different option to the people who are paying the bills.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 01, 2017 04:30 PM (Halhc)

204 Did they vote according to the will of their state? Yes? Then they did their job.
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Ah. The old 'Magic 8 Ball' dodge.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:30 PM (toH8T)

205 You gotta love Joe Manchin's fervent undying desire to remain a Senator forever.

He will literally do and say whatever it takes to retain his seat.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:28 PM (prTbl)

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Except switch parties.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:30 PM (ThL6N)
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Yet.

Posted by: DocJ at February 01, 2017 04:30 PM (7bkOX)

206 You folks see her get on a plane with her dad and you jump to all kinds of conclusions. Am I missing something?

Posted by: Max Power at February 01, 2017 04:30 PM (q177U)

207 What does President Obama think about this situation?

Posted by: Muldoon at February 01, 2017 04:31 PM (wPiJc)

208 You gotta love Joe Manchin's fervent undying desire to remain a Senator forever.

He will literally do and say whatever it takes to retain his seat.
Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:28 PM (prTbl)

It is impressive in it's own way.

Kinda like Arlen Spector.

Posted by: alexthechick - all your caps are belong to me at February 01, 2017 04:31 PM (mf5HN)

209 It's probably more than half of the country is functionally illiterate now that I think about it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 01, 2017 04:31 PM (Halhc)

210 Can we somehow get Ted Cruz in charge of determining when that discipline is applied?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Does it have to be a Senator? I'm thinking that MeAgain would be excellent in the role of disciplinarian.

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:31 PM (LAe3v)

211 In Columbus, Ohio, a female student was recorded giving a male student a beejer under a coat as the classroom cheered.

The substitute teacher was taking roll call while it happened.

By all means, let's continue with this system.

Posted by: Warden at February 01, 2017 04:31 PM (MZ8Zz)

212 I would personally prefer less Ivanka at the WH.

I think she's smart and capable, but I would wager she's also a typical liberal Millenial trust funder that grew up in NYC.

I don't want her giving her dad policy advice.

Posted by: Maritime at February 01, 2017 04:31 PM (qRZ4c)

213
Nevertrumps gotta Nevertrump
Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:27 PM (toH8T)

I'm willing to bet you were one of the people (along with me) who was pissed every time Grandma Obama was toted along on state visits and vacations on military planes.

This has nothing to do with NeverTrump. I've spent the past week and a half defending and applauding most of what Trump has done. But, you could make and argument against what I said, or you could repeat silly shit you read on Twitter than has no bearing on anything I said. Your choice.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 04:31 PM (71OEY)

214 205 Yet.

Posted by: DocJ at February 01, 2017 04:30 PM (7bkOX)

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Overnight, he'd go from our favorite Democratic senator to our fifth or sixth least favorite Republican senators.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:31 PM (ThL6N)

215 You lose...or contribute...40% of your state income taxes, a portion of your state sales taxes, 100% of the state lottery profits, and 10% of your federal taxes to schools. I betcha you could achieve the same outcomes with half the money.

The scams are legion...common core, textbook 'editions' as if anything new is in them besides the paper and ink, deferred maintenance, stipends, administrative salary increases at double or triple inflation, free cars for the highest paid, padding overtime, polishing ones own desk while getting paid, no show jobs, cutting class of early and going home early, paying employees overloads as if they actually can work 240% more than a straight week, rigged school auctions of surplus goods, fraudulent Foundations, underworked employees, fortunes are spent on watering and mowing lawns, failure to fire the criminal and incompetent, Board junkets, on and on. It's a system that rewards the most venal and punishes the hardest working. Schools truly exemplify the 80/20 rule. 20% do 80% of the work. Schools are lucky when all the employee steals is a roll of shit tickets.

Posted by: torabora at February 01, 2017 04:31 PM (nJLFn)

216
Okay, so what if Gorsuch gets confirmed? Of course he'll get confirmed eventually.

But if he gets the shit kicked out of him for a few weeks and his character is forever smeared, it's because the Republicans let that happen.

Go Nuclear NOW. Don't allow the Democrats to drag Gorsuch through the mud just to put on a show.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:31 PM (prTbl)

217 We already have school choice, it's called pick up your behind and move.

Posted by: bjrubbs at February 01, 2017 04:32 PM (3PYMx)

218 Gorka is great. It's still hard to believe we lived through 8 years of the morons in the Obama administration. It's like the adults have finally taken back control from a bunch of SJWs.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:32 PM (/tuJf)

219 137 Theater. McConnel has 50 so he's allowing them to vote no. From what I understand, school choice isn't real popular in their states.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 01, 2017 04:20 PM (kTF2Z

Sure that's why Voinovich voted against John Bolton for UN Ambassador. Just theater, they were going to be able to confirm him without that crying jack ass.

Oh wait...

Posted by: buzzion at February 01, 2017 04:32 PM (cAnNx)

220 TheJamesMadison, LOL.

- Discipline for not voting the GOP line once: you have to spend an hour with Ted Cruz.

- Discipline for not voting the GOP line twice: you have to spend TWO hours with Ted Cruz. ;-)

- Discipline for not voting the GOP line three times: you have to spend THREE hours with BOTH Ted Cruz... AND Joe Biden. (It's been scientifically shown that this treatment would render any human being irreversibly batshit insane within just 30 minutes.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 01, 2017 04:32 PM (u8kLQ)

221 97 I live in a Very good School District, the School is like a college campus. I will not be sending my son there because of the Gender crap etc. I will be sending him to Catholic school. Public School when I grew up in the 80's is soo different than today, to much social engineering

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Investigate. Just because it's not the public monopoly skool doesn't mean it's not equally moonbat. The example of nominally Catholic universities is not reassuring. I'm looking at you Georgetown.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at February 01, 2017 04:32 PM (aBDYc)

222 This has nothing to do with NeverTrump. I've spent the past week and a
half defending and applauding most of what Trump has done.
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And the previous year slamming Trump.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:32 PM (toH8T)

223 216
Okay, so what if Gorsuch gets confirmed? Of course he'll get confirmed eventually.

But if he gets the shit kicked out of him for a few weeks and his character is forever smeared, it's because the Republicans let that happen.

Go Nuclear NOW. Don't allow the Democrats to drag Gorsuch through the mud just to put on a show.
Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:31 PM (prTbl)

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Gorsuch isn't an idiot.

He knew what he was getting into.

He's a big boy and will do fine.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:32 PM (ThL6N)

224 As a lifelong conservative, to me, though, this is one of those unforced errors that Trump makes
for really no purpose... this is going to cost Trump in the Rust Belt... looks like it's going to be an early night.

Posted by: Bull Wynn at February 01, 2017 04:33 PM (jjaLl)

225 218
Gorka is great. It's still hard to believe we lived through 8 years of
the morons in the Obama administration. It's like the adults have
finally taken back control from a bunch of SJWs.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:32 PM (/tuJf)
Gorka and Farage are inspired choices.

Posted by: IC at February 01, 2017 04:33 PM (a0IVu)

226
It is impressive in it's own way.

In a purely survive-at-all-costs sense, yes.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:33 PM (prTbl)

227 too, am an Ohioan, Patrick. Grew up in suburb of Columbus (UA). Moved and raised my family in a conservative small town. If I were raising kids in Cols today, they would be in private schools or homeschooled. The public schools within city limits SUCK.

We live in New Albany School District, the school looks like the campus of Virginia University I think they copied it. Gender neutral bathrooms and 32 Genders no thank you.

Most schools now teach just for the State Test.

Posted by: Patrick Ohio at February 01, 2017 04:33 PM (dKiJG)

228 Time for Alaskans and Mainers to burn up the phones to the Senate!!!

Who's got time for that shit? These moose aren't gonna shoot themselves.

Posted by: Alaskans and Mainers at February 01, 2017 04:34 PM (ty7RM)

229 What selfish, arrogant, bitches. Fucking children to show support of teachers or something. More likely seeking "We're Not Afraid of Trump" creds. Assholes. "Choice" for me but not for thee peasant parents.

Posted by: oddnot enjoying #winning still with schadenboner to prove it at February 01, 2017 04:34 PM (g1MTt)

230 220 TheJamesMadison, LOL.

- Discipline for not voting the GOP line once: you have to spend an hour with Ted Cruz.

- Discipline for not voting the GOP line twice: you have to spend TWO hours with Ted Cruz. ;-)

- Discipline for not voting the GOP line three times: you have to spend THREE hours with BOTH Ted Cruz... AND Joe Biden. (It's been scientifically shown that this treatment would render any human being irreversibly batshit insane within just 30 minutes.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at February 01, 2017 04:32 PM (u8kLQ)

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I had to stifle my laughter.

Take it one step further: Ted Cruz will talk about the proper kinds of cheese for dipping the entire time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:34 PM (ThL6N)

231 Interesting. So, there may have to be a DoEd, but what would happen if it didn't have a head, i.e. Trump just left the position vacant?
Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:27 PM (LAe3v)

Or what if it had only a head. And a janitorial staff for their buildings until the lease ran out?

Posted by: TexasDan at February 01, 2017 04:34 PM (yL25O)

232 >>Go Nuclear NOW. Don't allow the Democrats to drag Gorsuch through the mud just to put on a show.

This is pretty much what Harry Reid was saying before he nuked the filibuster for federal judges. I'd rather not blow up some of these rules because surer than shit they will be used against us someday too.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:34 PM (/tuJf)

233 But lets bury the hatchet with the RINO NeverTrumpers

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 01, 2017 04:34 PM (y3aQB)

234
Yeah it'll be okay if Democrats bring in pubic hairs in a coke and another Anita Hill liar to smear Gorsuch because he candle it.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:35 PM (prTbl)

235 That's fine, but I really doubt one person't vote in the voting booth would change based on how they voted for Education Secretary.

I think you are wrong.

Politicians do know something about politics. Collins and Murkowski may or may not have some personal dislike of school choice. But I bet they know how their voters feel. And they would prefer - all other things being equal - that they not have to face a commercial from an opponent that says "Senator so and so says she fights for your children but voted for Betsy DeVos!"

Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2017 04:35 PM (tewYv)

236 Both ladies get money from teachers' unions.

Posted by: Biscuits Mahoney at February 01, 2017 04:35 PM (GAVZe)

237 --
You gotta love Joe Manchin's fervent undying desire to remain a Senator forever.

He will literally do and say whatever it takes to retain his seat.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:28 PM (prTbl)

It is impressive in it's own way.

Kinda like Arlen Spector.

Posted by: alexthechick - all your caps are belong to me at February 01, 2017 04:31
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Those guys are pikers.

Posted by: Charlie Crist at February 01, 2017 04:35 PM (pMGkg)

238 The "Education" "System" in the US long-ago stopped being about offering kids a quality education.

For the better part of a century (pretty-much right when government employees started to unionize and the NEA and AFT were formed) the "Education" "System" has been about employing as many adults as possible. And that's not gonna change unless the entire system is blown-up and rebuilt from zero.

Sadly, that won't happen until after the SHTF.

Posted by: DocJ at February 01, 2017 04:35 PM (7bkOX)

239 This just in, Hillary Clinton plans to write a children's book. A working title is "Joe, just wants to go home". A story about a decorated veteran who finds himself stranded at a Delaware train station, because evil Trump, banned his Somali friends from coming to America to drive taxicabs. This is Andrea Mitchell at MSNBS.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at February 01, 2017 04:35 PM (7N6ox)

240 205 You gotta love Joe Manchin's fervent undying desire to remain a Senator forever.

He will literally do and say whatever it takes to retain his seat.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:28 PM (prTbl)

Reminds me of Friedman's quote:

I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or it they try, they will shortly be out of office.

Posted by: WisRich at February 01, 2017 04:35 PM (hdpay)

241 Investigate. Just because it's not the public monopoly skool doesn't mean it's not equally moonbat. The example of nominally Catholic universities is not reassuring. I'm looking at you Georgetown.
Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at February 01, 2017 04:32 PM (aBDYc)

I have been warned about one Catholic school already.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 01, 2017 04:35 PM (dKiJG)

242 14 An artist I follow that lives in Michigan has been screaming that he doesn't want this woman anywhere near his son's education. But he never says WHY, he just yells about how horrible she is.
Posted by: pookysgirl at February 01, 2017 04:05 PM (GBv5/)

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He doesn't even grasp that she would agree with him.

Posted by: Slo-Pitch Whiffer at February 01, 2017 04:35 PM (zke7T)

243 This is pretty much what Harry Reid was saying before he nuked the filibuster for federal judges. I'd rather not blow up some of these rules because surer than shit they will be used against us someday too.

And you think because we don't, they won't?
Bwahahahahahahaha.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2017 04:35 PM (W2Fol)

244 Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 04:31 PM (71OEY)

your comparison is lacking. this is not a pleasure trip, this is paying respects, and comforting those left behind - wife, children. it's a real stretch of imagination to compare free loaders like bo and his family to what POTUS and his daughter are doing.

Posted by: runner at February 01, 2017 04:36 PM (c6/9Q)

245 Education is downstream from culture.

Posted by: Muldoon at February 01, 2017 04:36 PM (wPiJc)

246 And now you want to defend the only two Senators that decide to vote against the President and his agenda because the true pulse of the states of Maine and Alaska is that the current education system is wonderful and should be left unsullied.

You could make the same argument for any sitting Senator "The will of the state" is not determined by the fact that Murcokeski and Collins were the least worst choices on the ballot.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:36 PM (toH8T)

247 237 Those guys are pikers.
Posted by: Charlie Crist at February 01, 2017 04:35 PM (pMGkg)

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Well, they're no Ted Kennedy's.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:36 PM (ThL6N)

248 We already have school choice, it's called pick up your behind and move.

Which doesn't make a tinker's damn worth of difference when they all teach federally mandated curriculum.

Posted by: no good deed at February 01, 2017 04:36 PM (hJamr)

249 The family is grieving the loss of their son. Do you really think they're saying "Oh, I'm so offended Ivanka is with Trump, this isn't proper protocol?" If it were my kid, I'd be gratified that the president was coming to pay his condolences and I don't think I'd care if he brought Ivanka or Melania or nobody.

Did Obama ever go to meet the bodies of the fallen? We know Hill did - and lied to them over the caskets.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 01, 2017 04:36 PM (ZM2xo)

250 ... about the fact that as a federal official she shouldn't be anywhere near any individuals' education ... not the horribleness.

Posted by: Slo-Pitch Whiffer at February 01, 2017 04:37 PM (zke7T)

251 >>And you think because we don't, they won't?
Bwahahahahahahaha.

I'm thinking exactly what they are thinking right now, Harry Reid fucked them over long term for some short term gain. Go nuclear if you have to but if they do it before they even start then that is a new precedent.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:37 PM (/tuJf)

252 It's time to let parents choose, and to make schools accountable to their customers.

Posted by: Ace at 04:00 PM

It's time to march on their offices with bullhorns and torches.

Oh wait, we're not leftists. We have jobs (barely) and other frivolous things to do.

These damn cvnts MUST be held to account.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 01, 2017 04:37 PM (UBQ2A)

253 Collins talks like a fag and her shits all retarded.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 01, 2017 04:37 PM (kTF2Z)

254 >>> Would you have felt the same way if one of the Obama daughters, say Malia respectfully accompanied her father on a condolence trip?
......

Fair question. Yes, and I did. I also complained when first grandma squatted on every state visit, vacation, and in the White House for 8 years, along with a lot of other people.

I repeat: according to team Trump, Ivanka has no WH or government job. They made a big issue out of this themselves. Lots of people are married to lots of people with official positions. Lots more have security clearances. None of them fly off to view the return of remains of a military personnel killed in the line of duty.

I'm sure she is respectful and will represent herself and her father well, but it's really not- IMO- her place to be there. Like I said, even non immediate family of the person killed would not be permitted.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 04:37 PM (71OEY)

255
Why should the Republicans live by the nuclear option rules set by the Democrats?

Who cares that the Democrats decided how and when the Senate could go nuclear? Why should they get to make all the Rules?

Make New goddam Rules!!

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:38 PM (prTbl)

256 Did Obama ever go to meet the bodies of the fallen? We know Hill did - and lied to them over the caskets.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 01, 2017 04:36 PM (ZM2xo)

He was right there beside Hillary, wondering if he still had time to get in an afternoon round.

Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at February 01, 2017 04:38 PM (7N6ox)

257 Can she accompany her dad to the plane but NOT get on? What if she was dropped off at another stop before his final destination? Can she walk halfway to the plane, but wait on the landing field? Can she waive goodbye, or is that disrespectful? What if she doesn't know the nature of her trip, she would be a sort of diplomatic Schrodinger's Cat.

At what point does this become a thought crime?

Posted by: Max Power at February 01, 2017 04:38 PM (q177U)

258 We already have school choice, it's called pick up your behind and move.

Posted by: bjrubbs

Sure, sure. Just because I pay for the system, and it sucks, I should have to sell my house and move if I don't like how it's run.

You are a deeply silly man.

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:38 PM (LAe3v)

259 Not concerned. She'll get a few scared democrats.

Posted by: Kaldar at February 01, 2017 04:38 PM (/FLNB)

260
but if they do it before they even start then that is a new precedent.

So what!

We live in Dangerous Times.

Time to start living Dangerously.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:38 PM (prTbl)

261 I have two kids at public school and plan to stay there, but I WANT the competition. Our school does feel the heat from charter and private schools.

Certain parts of the country, the school system is a complete failure.

Los Angeles would be a great example, it's just a normal thing that you have to send your kids to a private school. It's not even an option for the kids to go elsewhere.

Posted by: Maritime at February 01, 2017 04:38 PM (qRZ4c)

262 #239 When he finally gets home it's back in Scranton. He walks in the front door and says "Mom. what's for dinner!" It's 2017. People living there freak.

Posted by: torabora at February 01, 2017 04:39 PM (nJLFn)

263 And since when is it not okay for members of the First Family to visit the family of a fallen servicemember? Is it possible that Melania is unable to be there?

Just who exactly IS official enough for the task?

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:39 PM (toH8T)

264 258 Sure, sure. Just because I pay for the system, and it sucks, I should have to sell my house and move if I don't like how it's run.

You are a deeply silly man.
Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:38 PM (LAe3v)

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What? You think it's hard to afford a house in the good parts of town?

What are you? A poor person?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:39 PM (ThL6N)

265 I'm reading on various sites right now that Charles Manson has died. News doesn't appear to have gone mainstream however.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 01, 2017 04:39 PM (u8kLQ)

266 "common core, textbook 'editions' as if anything new is in them besides the paper and ink"

Also, there's computer "courseware" for Communist Core. A dedicated pipeline of public money into properly connected private trouser pockets.

Bill Gates is deeply invested in same. So is Bush-family scion Neil.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 01, 2017 04:39 PM (noWW6)

267
I don't know if he's viable any more but Joe Miller should take to the airwaves and blast that dog-faced phony Murkowski from here to Kingdom Come with this stab in the back.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 01, 2017 04:40 PM (UBQ2A)

268
Re Ivanka. Harry Truman is something of a parallel. His wife, Bess, hated Washington and she would only be there during the social season, and she didn't really want to do that. She would go back home for the rest of the time, and Truman's daughter Margaret would do a lot of the First Lady stuff as a substitute.

Much like Melania and Ivanka now.

So, this has all happened before. There's a Truman precedent for first daughters acting as substitute first ladies. BFD.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 01, 2017 04:40 PM (DW+jj)

269 The way to deal with this is pretty simple: Introduce a bill to eliminate the Dept of Education.

Or to stall all distribution of federal education funds until such time as there is a Trump-appointee in the Secretary's spot. Then nominate someone twice as tough as DeVos on school choice. Like Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke, or something.

Then primary Collins and Murkowski. Big time.

Posted by: One-eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at February 01, 2017 04:40 PM (gzPc2)

270 Could just be clickbait.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 01, 2017 04:40 PM (u8kLQ)

271 Minchin invokes Robert Byrd WTF?

Posted by: Under Fire at February 01, 2017 04:40 PM (fqERy)

272 Wow,#BoycottStarbucks is the number one trending on Facebook.Usually it is all left wing shit.

Posted by: steevy at February 01, 2017 04:40 PM (r/0kC)

273 Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (wtvvX)

274 Sure, sure. Just because I pay for the system, and it sucks, I should have to sell my house and move if I don't like how it's run.

You are a deeply silly man.
Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:38 PM (LAe3v)

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What? You think it's hard to afford a house in the good parts of town?

What are you? A poor person?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:39 PM (ThL6N)
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'Just moving' absolutely doesn't work in urban areas. For this reason and others.

Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (xeeHA)

275
Joe Miller is now a two-time loser in Alaska.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (prTbl)

276 In Columbus, Ohio, a female student was recorded giving a male student a beejer under a coat as the classroom cheered.

The substitute teacher was taking roll call while it happened.

By all means, let's continue with this system.

Posted by: Warden at February 01, 2017 04:31 PM (MZ8Zz)
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It is either a large class or she really needs to learn to tease a bit. It's not a race.

Is it per chance a sex education class? If so, this makes for a good topic of discussion.

-or-

No more recording devices in class!

-or-

Free market principles can remove all roll call sex from school!

Posted by: RioBravo at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (SsblQ)

277 Jane D'Oh had an observation get willowed in the previous thread, about how Ivanka has lived her whole life in a glossy comfort bubble of socialite liberals on Planet Manhattan. Hence Ivanka's previous political infatuations with the likes of that ridiculous charlatan Cory Booker.

This sort of thing is a badly needed reality check for someone like Ivanka, averred Jane. Ab-so-freaking-lutely on the mark. Especially since Ivanka has her father's ear on so many issues.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 01, 2017 04:27 PM (noWW6)

Good lord people. You sound like Libs.
Ivanka has managed to get out of the penthouse in Manhattan during her life. She's not some dumb rich socialite, she graduated from Wharton School of Business, and founded the Trump Hotel Chains with Eric and Don Jr. She was in charge of Acquisitions and Development in the Trump Organization and was individually responsible for the renovation of the US Post Office and development into a Trump Hotel and the $250 M renovation of Doral in Miami. She developed her own lifestyle brand , including her women's wear collection priced for the average woman that was worth $200 M when she left it when her dad became president . Her second book is due out this May, and has been honored as a Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum. Not to mention she has three kids and helped in her dad's successful presidential bid.

But no, she just a dumb blond socialite because she hosted a fundraising party 4 years ago for a local black Dem mayor who was running for the NJ Senate seat.

Posted by: Jen at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (z0fov)

278 Los Angeles would be a great example, it's just a
normal thing that you have to send your kids to a private school. It's
not even an option for the kids to go elsewhere.

Posted by: Maritime at February 01, 2017 04:38 PM (qRZ4c)
LAUSD is a disaster really. They spend most of their time fighting lawsuits from parents. The stories I hear from parents about teachers and administrators are horrible.

Posted by: IC at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (a0IVu)

279 194 Ivanka is a private citizen. Period. Full stop. This is a CIC thing. IMO she really has no business hopping on Marine One with the President and flying to a military base for something like this. Really, it doesn't get more official than something like this.

---------------

Concern:

[ x ] Noted

[ ] Not noted

I can't imagine Mishi or Malaria being too concerned about a dead soldier anyway.

Good on Ivanka.

Posted by: Soona at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (Fmupd)

280 249 The family is grieving the loss of their son. Do you really think they're saying "Oh, I'm so offended Ivanka is with Trump, this isn't proper protocol?" If it were my kid, I'd be gratified that the president was coming to pay his condolences and I don't think I'd care if he brought Ivanka or Melania or nobody.

Did Obama ever go to meet the bodies of the fallen? We know Hill did - and lied to them over the caskets.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 01, 2017 04:36 PM (ZM2xo)

Those ASSHOLES greeted the coffins from Bengazi and talked about how the YouTube video was responsible for it.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (dKiJG)

281 >>Not concerned. She'll get a few scared democrats.

Doubt it. Manchin has already come out against her and there are multiple reports that not a single Democrat is going to vote for her.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (/tuJf)

282 I'm all for school choice but the other problem in the inner cities is the complete breakdown of the family unit.

Posted by: WisRich at February 01, 2017 04:42 PM (hdpay)

283 269 "The way to deal with this is pretty simple: Introduce a bill to eliminate the Dept of Education.

Or to stall all distribution of federal education funds until such time as there is a Trump-appointee in the Secretary's spot. Then nominate someone twice as tough as DeVos on school choice. Like Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke, or something.

Then primary Collins and Murkowski. Big time."

AMEN! AMEN!

Posted by: Ruth Ruben at February 01, 2017 04:42 PM (RR9wF)

284
I supported Donald Trump because I wanted Drastic Change, no longer to be bound by the Left's Rules.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:42 PM (prTbl)

285 275
Joe Miller is now a two-time loser in Alaska.
Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (prTbl)

So we got ooh-gatz in AK. Where's Palin or is she now a joke up there as well?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 01, 2017 04:42 PM (UBQ2A)

286
Murkowski? Who dat?

Oh, you mean Meerkatski.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 01, 2017 04:42 PM (XWkhW)

287 Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (xeeHA)

he is a Big supporter of being nice to NeverTrumpers

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 01, 2017 04:42 PM (y3aQB)

288 I'm sure she is respectful and will represent
herself and her father well, but it's really not- IMO- her place to be
there. Like I said, even non immediate family of the person killed would
not be permitted.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 04:37 PM (71OEY)

Do you know for certain that the parents weren't in the loop as to who would be going? In other words, do you know that Trump just up and decided to bring his daughter on a whim?

Posted by: Bull Wynn at February 01, 2017 04:42 PM (jjaLl)

289 'Just moving' absolutely doesn't work in urban areas. For this reason and others.
==

Kevin D Williamson disagrees.

/s

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:42 PM (toH8T)

290
I think if she is not confirmed, it is a perfect excuse for Trump to shut it down.

Every state has a Dept of Ed. We don't need a federal one.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 01, 2017 04:42 PM (ODxAs)

291 *clears throat*

YOU GO LISTEN TO BC AND I'S NEW PODCAST NOW!

*points to link in nic*

I make BC snort tequila out his nose.

Posted by: alexthechick - all your caps are belong to me at February 01, 2017 04:43 PM (mf5HN)

292 teachers unions are more powerful than the mob

Posted by: runner at February 01, 2017 04:43 PM (c6/9Q)

293 281 >>Not concerned. She'll get a few scared democrats.

Doubt it. Manchin has already come out against her and there are multiple reports that not a single Democrat is going to vote for her.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (/tuJf)

======================

And when educational results end up improving under her tenure, I welcome Democrats wishing that she hadn't done that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:43 PM (ThL6N)

294 Anyone complaining about Ivanka accompanying her dad to pay respects is really out in left field. I mean ... really. Get a grip.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 01, 2017 04:43 PM (zc3Db)

295 Murkowski is a legacy of the old Republican party.

Posted by: ejo at February 01, 2017 04:43 PM (il4FI)

296 I'm sure she is respectful and will represent
herself and her father well, but it's really not- IMO- her place to be
there. Like I said, even non immediate family of the person killed would
not be permitted.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 04:37 PM (71OEY)

Ok, we saw her board the helicopter but do we know for a fact she'll be at her father's side when he's meeting the casket? I've been away from the TV and the internet for about a hour....have they shown that already?

Posted by: Tami at February 01, 2017 04:43 PM (Enq6K)

297 California just lost yet another business.

Nestle's USA headquarters is right now in Glendale, California, but a FB friend whom I am also close to in real life, and who works for Nestle, just shared their announcement: they're moving their HQ to Virginia.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 01, 2017 04:43 PM (u8kLQ)

298 Doubt it. Manchin has already come out against her

I did not know that. Disappointing.

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:43 PM (LAe3v)

299 282 I'm all for school choice but the other problem in the inner cities is the complete breakdown of the family unit.
Posted by: WisRich at February 01, 2017 04:42 PM (hdpay)

==================

Well...that's an easy problem to fix.

Who wants to fuck with welfare? Cause I'm ready to play.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:43 PM (ThL6N)

300 Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:34 PM (/tuJf)

The rules are already a farce. They will never again apply to a Dem majority, and they only continue to apply to Republicans because some of them are naive enough to believe the Dems will willingly bind themselves by them again someday.

Posted by: Sjg at February 01, 2017 04:43 PM (gDSJf)

301 Politicians do know something about politics. Collins and Murkowski may or may not have some personal dislike of school choice. But I bet they know how their voters feel. And they would prefer - all other things being equal - that they not have to face a commercial from an opponent that says "Senator so and so says she fights for your children but voted for Betsy DeVos!"

Posted by: blaster
___________

You really think Alaska is going to send a Democrat to DC over an Education secretary vote?

I'm not going to defend spineless Republicans anymore.

it would be a wasted ad

I've never in my life seen a general election ad against a Senator based on a cabinet position vote.

These women hate the idea of kids being educated outside the public school system and conservative voters need to remember that for the next primary.

Posted by: Maritime at February 01, 2017 04:44 PM (qRZ4c)

302
"We live in New Albany School District, the school looks like the campus of Virginia University I think they copied it. Gender neutral bathrooms and 32 Genders no thank you. "

Les Wexner's kingdom

People's Republic of Worthington myself.

Posted by: Tuna at February 01, 2017 04:44 PM (JSovD)

303
Republicans are scared of the Nuclear Option for exactly the same reason they're afraid of so-called govt shutdowns: because the Democrats and Fake News convince it hurts them in the next elections.

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:44 PM (prTbl)

304 215 You lose...or contribute...40% of your state income taxes, a portion of your state sales taxes, 100% of the state lottery profits, and 10% of your federal taxes to schools. I betcha you could achieve the same outcomes with half the money.

The scams are legion...common core, textbook 'editions' as if anything new is in them besides the paper and ink, deferred maintenance, stipends, administrative salary increases at double or triple inflation, free cars for the highest paid, padding overtime, polishing ones own desk while getting paid, no show jobs, cutting class of early and going home early, paying employees overloads as if they actually can work 240% more than a straight week, rigged school auctions of surplus goods, fraudulent Foundations, underworked employees, fortunes are spent on watering and mowing lawns, failure to fire the criminal and incompetent, Board junkets, on and on. It's a system that rewards the most venal and punishes the hardest working. Schools truly exemplify the 80/20 rule. 20% do 80% of the work. Schools are lucky when all the employee steals is a roll of shit tickets.
Posted by: torabora

Tora, they gave our teachers in Dallas credit cards for supplies and the teachers immediately went nuts charging dinners, clothes, vacations, flat screen tv's, etc to the tune of millions stolen. Nobody went to jail.

Posted by: Lord Sir x at February 01, 2017 04:44 PM (nFwvY)

305 Ivanka is welcome here any day.

There's beer in the fridge.

Of course I'll have to burn some things here in this cave I reside in.

The carpet, for starters.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 01, 2017 04:44 PM (4ErVI)

306 287 Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (xeeHA)

he is a Big supporter of being nice to NeverTrumpers
Posted by: EVLINC! at February 01, 2017 04:42 PM (y3aQB)

==================

You cut me to the core!

I shall go cry now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:44 PM (ThL6N)

307 >>The rules are already a farce. They will never again apply to a Dem majority, and they only continue to apply to Republicans because some of them are naive enough to believe the Dems will willingly bind themselves by them again someday.

So are we now in favor of getting rid of all rules? That should work out swell.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:45 PM (/tuJf)

308 I'm all for school choice but the other problem in the inner cities is the complete breakdown of the family unit.

Posted by: WisRich

******

That's what I was alluding to @245.

Posted by: Muldoon at February 01, 2017 04:45 PM (wPiJc)

309 "Oh, you mean Meerkatski."

MoreCokeSki?

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 01, 2017 04:45 PM (iIzG7)

310 297
California just lost yet another business.

Nestle's USA headquarters is right now in Glendale, California, but a
FB friend whom I am also close to in real life, and who works for
Nestle, just shared their announcement: they're moving their HQ to
Virginia.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 01, 2017 04:43 PM (u8kLQ)
And adding more jobs. I don't blame them really, who can deal with Sacramento, they treat business folks like the enemy.

Posted by: IC at February 01, 2017 04:46 PM (a0IVu)

311 Brexit passes Parliament.

via Althouse

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet sponsors The Man in the High Dudgeon! at February 01, 2017 04:46 PM (hLRSq)

312 Of course I'll have to burn some things here in this cave I reside in.

The carpet, for starters.>>>

Remember to put it outside first.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 01, 2017 04:46 PM (P/aDH)

313 That's what I was alluding to @245.
Posted by: Muldoon at February 01, 2017 04:45 PM (wPiJc)
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Missed your post.

Yep.

Posted by: WisRich at February 01, 2017 04:46 PM (hdpay)

314 On point is if Melania isn't going and maybe not picking up FLOTUS trips I see no problem if Ivanka goes. Who else goes isn't as important as the President.

Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2017 04:47 PM (Frvrc)

315 "I'm not going to defend spineless Republicans anymore."

Democrats In All But Labels Only. DIABLOs.

Could it be... the devil?

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 01, 2017 04:47 PM (iIzG7)

316 305 Ivanka is welcome here any day.

There's beer in the fridge.

Of course I'll have to burn some things here in this cave I reside in.

The carpet, for starters.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 01, 2017 04:44 PM (4ErVI)

==================

Does it tie to room together?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:47 PM (ThL6N)

317 IC, yup.

As I've said numerous times before: I want to go to Arizona or Nevada.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 01, 2017 04:47 PM (u8kLQ)

318 183 Ladylibertarian at February 01, 2017 04:23 PM (nQ10o)

I graduated from Pickerington when there was still one high school. I haven't lived there in years, so can't say what the schools are like now. They were pretty good when I was there, but that was almost twenty years ago.
Posted by: iwuzhere at February 01, 2017 04:26 PM (GRNzr)

I don't know what the suburban schools are like now. I would think the schools in the wealthier suburbs might be okay. But City of Columbus Schools are mostly failing, and hotbeds of leftist indictrination. The amount of money they get through property taxes is simply unbelievable. My next move will be to a conservative suburb or small town.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at February 01, 2017 04:47 PM (nQ10o)

319 Wow,#BoycottStarbucks is the number one trending on Facebook.Usually it is all left wing shit.

Give us a second, damn it!

Posted by: Mark Zuckerberg's minions at February 01, 2017 04:47 PM (ty7RM)

320 Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 01, 2017 04:41 PM (xeeHA)

he is a Big supporter of being nice to NeverTrumpers
Posted by: EVLINC! at February 01, 2017 04:42 PM (y3aQB)

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I'm, in general, a fan of being nice to everyone.

It occurs to me that the purpose of debate is to convince. I would gladly absorb all of the NeverTrumpers were it possible to convince them to join up.

Obviously, many (maybe most) are beyond convincing. Many (maybe most) say toxic things that are very damaging to American society. To the extent that they do, they should be challenged, marginalized and removed from power.

But I will continue to be civil about it.

Except for drawing penises on their faces.

Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 01, 2017 04:48 PM (xeeHA)

321 So are we now in favor of getting rid of all rules? That should work out swell.

Posted by: JackStraw

I've said it before, but to repeat, Trump should insist on playing by Dem rules for the amount of time the Dems did during the Obama era, then at the end of that time, ask if they will commit to a return to the old rules.

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:48 PM (LAe3v)

322 I like to eat balls of Crisco about the size of a baseball topped with NyQuil and put in a paper cone.

Cuz then people think I'm eating a sno-cone.

But, I'm really eating Crisco topped with NyQuil cough syrup.

Posted by: Murky! at February 01, 2017 04:48 PM (vZ9Fw)

323 I've said it before, but to repeat, Trump should insist on playing by
Dem rules for the amount of time the Dems did during the Obama era, then
at the end of that time, ask if they will commit to a return to the old
rules.

Not that their word means anything, but they won't agree anyway.

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:48 PM (LAe3v)

324 Ivanka is welcome here any day.

There's beer in the fridge.

Of course I'll have to burn some things here in this cave I reside in.

*****

So, you're serving dinner, too? Classy

Posted by: Muldoon at February 01, 2017 04:49 PM (wPiJc)

325 " Of course I'll have to burn some things here in this cave I reside in. "

As long as it's not your wife you'll be burning.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 01, 2017 04:49 PM (fDdVG)

326 Yep. If I read it right, 160 million Americans are unable to read above the 8th grade level. The data is sectioned off into illiterate / X grade level / Y grade level so it doesn't look so damning in one horrible number, but yes, we need a solution to our education industry.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 01, 2017 04:49 PM (Halhc)

327
Someone explain to me why we still call the Left left?

Aren't they now the far-right extremists?

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:49 PM (prTbl)

328 Passed 498 to 114.

Not even close.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet sponsors The Man in the High Dudgeon! at February 01, 2017 04:49 PM (hLRSq)

329 If DeVos doesn't get in, Trump should nominate - Scott Walker.

Would you like that better, unionistas?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 01, 2017 04:49 PM (ZM2xo)

330 I hope the next thing Trump hits these spineless old gasbags with is a bill that includes Senatorial Term Limits of 4 years, cuts their pay in half , and puts them on Obamacare.

Then spends the next month Tweeting about why they won't vote for them.

Expose these frauds.

Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at February 01, 2017 04:49 PM (toH8T)

331 Do not think for a second next time if the scales are different the D's will do whatever it takes to get their way.

Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2017 04:49 PM (Frvrc)

332 327
Someone explain to me why we still call the Left left?

Aren't they now the far-right extremists?
Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:49 PM (prTbl)

===================

Only when violent.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:49 PM (ThL6N)

333 "My next move will be to a conservative suburb or small town."

Not many of those in Franklin County. Delaware county..maybe

Posted by: Tuna at February 01, 2017 04:50 PM (JSovD)

334 >>> your comparison is lacking. this is not a pleasure trip, this is paying respects, and comforting those left behind - wife, children. it's a real stretch of imagination to compare free loaders like bo and his family to what POTUS and his daughter are doing.
....

Fair enough. I retract my comparison to the vacations but you overlooked my statement about State visits and functions.

I bring this up because, for some time, there was a lot of debate of even FLOTUS role in official stuff and I thought it was a fair question. Over the years, FLOTUS has evolved into a semi official role and I support that but disagree with the ever increasing size of staff for someone who still has absolutely zero official duties. By all means, give FLOTUS someone to help brief her on protocols involved with the accepted role, but she does not need a Chief of Staff and two dozen lackies. If she does, appoint her to an official position.

First Children, however, have been- and I think rightfully so- been deemed off limits in many respects. Where there is an exception, they get appointed to some official role.Team Trump has explicitly said Ivanka has no role.

Again, I have no doubt of her representing herself respectfully and with class. All I am saying is that The President is going in an official capacity as CIC and question if any First Daughter should be included in something like that.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 04:50 PM (71OEY)

335 Brexit passes Parliament.

There may again be an England.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 01, 2017 04:50 PM (oVJmc)

336 If I read it right, 160 million Americans are unable to read above the 8th grade level.

Well, and that's modern 8th grade level which would be, what, 3rd grade 100 years ago?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 04:50 PM (39g3+)

337 People's Republic of Worthington myself.
Posted by: Tuna at February 01, 2017 04:44 PM (JSovD)

Say what you will about Les he did build a nice town and said he did it so he could raise his family there.

And that's the Catholic school we were warned about and by a Nun as being liberal.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 01, 2017 04:50 PM (dKiJG)

338 But I will continue to be civil about it.

Except for drawing penises on their faces.

Civil? Depends. How big are these penii?

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 04:51 PM (LAe3v)

339 GAINZ!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:51 PM (ThL6N)

340 If I read it right, 160 million Americans are unable to read above the 8th grade level.

Obviously, we need to change these standards.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 01, 2017 04:51 PM (oVJmc)

341 So if I buy Starbucks bagged coffee from Walmart, open it, and return it because it tastes wrong, which of them absorbs that loss?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 01, 2017 04:51 PM (Halhc)

342 All I am saying is that The President is going in an official capacity as CIC and question if any First Daughter should be included in something like that.

Would you be offended or upset if the president and his lovely daughter showed up to show respects? Or would you be touched and honored?

Do you see the confusion here about your response? In what way does this harm the soldier or his family?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 04:51 PM (39g3+)

343
I mean isn't it likely that The Left has crossed into The Far-Right and is now a Hybrid Ideology of the far Left and the far Right?

Posted by: Soothsayer GT with Electronic Fuel Injection at February 01, 2017 04:52 PM (prTbl)

344 England still has too many muslims,but one thing at a time.

Posted by: steevy at February 01, 2017 04:52 PM (r/0kC)

345
Okay, so what if Gorsuch gets confirmed? Of course he'll get confirmed eventually.

But Dems might try to drag it out until after May because there are two important EPA cases before the SCOTUS in May

Posted by: Deplore Male Logic at February 01, 2017 04:52 PM (lKyWE)

346 https://tinyurl.com/hon4hfj

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Milo DESTROYING Muzzie Wymyns with Facts & Statistics

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 01, 2017 04:52 PM (y3aQB)

347 Gainz nood

Posted by: Max Power at February 01, 2017 04:53 PM (q177U)

348 I was talking with an acquaintance who is an elementary school teacher here in Clownifornia the other day; she was bemoaning the fact that teaching is no longer "fun", i.e., the administration is always picking on teachers; it's "all about testing, testing, testing..."; the kids are disrespectful brats (and so are the parents), etc., etc., etc.

Posted by: the Butcher at February 01, 2017 04:53 PM (AGJqR)

349 They'll jam her through 51-50.

TRUMP will teach the GOP how to win. Even Hatch is learning.

Posted by: Tradd at February 01, 2017 04:53 PM (GSJcT)

350 >>I've said it before, but to repeat, Trump should insist on playing by Dem rules for the amount of time the Dems did during the Obama era, then at the end of that time, ask if they will commit to a return to the old rules.

I have no problem with that and I'm in favor of the actions Hatch took today.

I have no doubt Gorsuch is going to get confirmed one way or the other. I doubt the Dems will shoot their load on this one because once the Republicans go nuclear the Senate just becomes a smaller House of Reps. And if there is one thing all Senators love it's being more important than the House.

Just rather go slowly with rules changes when possible. No sense handing the Dems anything to complain about or run on if we don't have to.

I'm old enough to remember when the Republican were going to have a permanent majority. Then it was the Democrats. I don't believe it anymore now than I did then.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:53 PM (/tuJf)

351 On the bright side, even if they don't reform education we can all rest assured that our children will be getting the brain-enhancing nutrients they need from Michelle Obama's hog slop program.

Posted by: Fritz at February 01, 2017 04:54 PM (jHLWo)

352 OT:

Ann Althouse thought Al Franken's Cruz stunt was childish.

Ann Freaking Althouse.

God the Democrats are really just shooting their own dicks off, aren't they?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:54 PM (ThL6N)

353 "they gave our teachers in Dallas credit cards for supplies and the teachers immediately went nuts charging dinners, clothes, vacations, flat screen tv's, etc to the tune of millions stolen"

You have to wonder whether the Dallas teacher who screamed "Die! Die!" at an image of Trump in her classroom and pantomimed assassinating the guy was among those thus gifted.

By the way, the teacher in question teaches art.

Art is an important component of the education of any civilized individual, but it's not an essential foundational component in the way that reading, writing and mathematics are.

The school at which she "teaches" is ranked 1080th out of 1692 high schools in the state of TX for attainment in basic learning.

So why is art being taught at public expense at a time and in a place when the basics aren't being mastered? Fire her ass, cut the art class, refocus.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 01, 2017 04:54 PM (noWW6)

354 NUDE GAINZZZ!!!!

Posted by: Bull Wynn at February 01, 2017 04:54 PM (jjaLl)

355 Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:45 PM (/tuJf)

When you know the rules are only going to be applied to one party, yes. Every rule that is not laid out for the Senate in the Constitution is negotiable.

Appeasement only emboldens the opposition.

Posted by: Sjg at February 01, 2017 04:54 PM (gDSJf)

356 Have a question for the horde
I hear on the radio spots with 1 out of 5 children in this country go to bed hungry every night. I hear this and want to scream Bull but I don't have any kids. But most of you do and see their freinds, is this possible?

Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2017 04:54 PM (Frvrc)

357 DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 01, 2017 04:54 PM (jjaLl)

358 Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 01, 2017 04:44 PM (ThL6N)

Nope Just stating what you posted in earlier thread & not even gonna reply to you

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 01, 2017 04:54 PM (y3aQB)

359 Posted by: Ladylibertarian at February 01, 2017 04:47 PM (nQ10o)

Yes, even when I was in high school people were moving a couple of miles, just over the district line to get their kids out of CPS.

Posted by: iwuzhere at February 01, 2017 04:55 PM (GRNzr)

360 Would you be offended or upset if the president and his lovely daughter showed up to show respects? Or would you be touched and honored?

Do you see the confusion here about your response? In what way does this harm the soldier or his family?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 04:51 PM (39g3+)

Exactly.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 01, 2017 04:55 PM (ZM2xo)

361 So are we now in favor of getting rid of all rules? That should work out swell.

Only a sucker plays by the rules when the other side doesn't.
Sorry.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2017 04:55 PM (W2Fol)

362 265 I'm reading on various sites right now that Charles Manson has died. News doesn't appear to have gone mainstream however.
Posted by: qdpsteve at February 01, 2017 04:39 PM (u8kLQ)

May he burn in Hell forever.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at February 01, 2017 04:55 PM (nQ10o)

363 Ivanka Trump is a woman who could be married to a Navy Seal or the age of some of them. Since Melania is not able to go, I think it is appropriate for his daughter to go to pay her respects.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 01, 2017 04:55 PM (fDdVG)

364 Incidentally the latest retard meme by the left is "OMG you were so upset about Benghazi but all these soldiers dead and you don't care you hypocrites!!!!"

Which really only serves to show how incredibly stupid and ignorant they are about the topic. Its lke saying "OMG Valentines Day Massacre, you were so upset about that but you don't care about those people dying of cancer!!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 04:55 PM (39g3+)

365 The Dept. of Education is useless. It was the symbolic creation of a symbol-obsessed, lousy president. No one has challenged it before because it's such a hair-trigger for virtue-signalling writ large, and really, when you think about it, not worth the noise. But now that they're ululating about everything he does every day, might as dismantle it most skippy.

Posted by: Slo-Pitch Whiffer at February 01, 2017 04:56 PM (zke7T)

366 I graduated from Pickerington when there was still one high school. I haven't lived there in years, so can't say what the schools are like now. They were pretty good when I was there, but that was almost twenty years ago.
Posted by: iwuzhere at February 01, 2017 04:26 PM

Lived right next door to Pick Town, with Reynoldsburg being the black hole of crime, they are seeing some creep into the schools in Pickerington.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 01, 2017 04:57 PM (dKiJG)

367 >>Appeasement only emboldens the opposition.

And yet, nobody is appeasing them. Just today Hatch changed Senate rules to stop the Dems fuckery and they will be following the precedent Reid set on federal judges.

It's not about appeasement, it's about doing things in a smart way. Not something the stupid is known for.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 04:57 PM (/tuJf)

368 Oh, the other meme is "Trump brought his incest wife with him lulz" which deserves only a punch in the face for even bringing something that repulsive up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 04:57 PM (39g3+)

369 349 They'll jam her through 51-50.

TRUMP will teach the GOP how to win. Even Hatch is learning.
Posted by: Tradd at February 01, 2017 04:53 PM (GSJcT)

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I'm waiting for the reports of Collins and Murskruntzki being called to the WH.

Posted by: Soona at February 01, 2017 04:57 PM (Fmupd)

370 Sure that's why Voinovich voted against John Bolton for UN Ambassador. Just theater, they were going to be able to confirm him without that crying jack ass.

In 2005 the Bush Presidency was already deeply wounded.

Like I said - I don't think that the Republican Senate is quite ready to deliver a loss of a nomination to Trump. I could be wrong, I have been before, chances are I will again.

But on this, I don't think so. The "controversial" appointments were Tillerson and Sessions, Tillerson was approved today and I expect Sessions will be soon.

Posted by: blaster at February 01, 2017 04:58 PM (tewYv)

371 356 Have a question for the horde
I hear on the radio spots with 1 out of 5 children in this country go to bed hungry every night. I hear this and want to scream Bull but I don't have any kids. But most of you do and see their freinds, is this possible?
Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2017 04:54 PM (Frvrc)

If one in five children go to bed hungry it's because their caretakers sold their food stamps and spent their welfare checks on booze and drugs. Period.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at February 01, 2017 04:58 PM (nQ10o)

372 Waste of time for these two. Does Trump seem like the kind of guy who will cave in with his next pick or not just put up a stooge that does vouchers anyway. Do they think they will prevent vouchers in any case.

Posted by: Conan at February 01, 2017 04:58 PM (f8f+t)

373 I wonder if this is one of those deals where you allow some of your wobbly members of the coalition to vote "No" while still making sure you maintain enough to get the job done?

I can't for the life of me understand why any parent would be against choosing where their child goes to school. Sure, the teachers don't want to compete or to be held to any sort of standard, and they will send money to make sure it doesn't happen. But the people who actually vote are going to hate these two women for selling them out.

Posted by: Thatch at February 01, 2017 04:58 PM (CWGHX)

374 The President is going in an official capacity as CIC and question if any First Daughter should be included in something like that.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 04:50 PM (71OEY)

I gotta disagree w/ you.

The President - official capacity - First Daughter -
included.

I see no problem.

Posted by: dDan at February 01, 2017 04:58 PM (hwYmz)

375 Posted by: Bull Wynn at February 01, 2017 04:42 PM (jjaLl)

All I'm saying is that there are protocols for these types of things and those generally exist for good reason. Counter argument: Reagan was the first president to break the protocol that the CIC should not salute and it's changed since. He asked his military advisors about it because he felt uncomfortable walking by people saluting him without some kind of acknowledgment. I agree with Reagan but this issue has come up again and again since and people went ape shit when Obama stopped and shook a Marine's hand the first time out.

If a protocol needs to change, so be it. I suggest only that it should be done with sound reasoning and full awareness of the implications that follow. I lament that many of our well founded protocols and traditions have been casually and increasingly tossed aside.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 04:58 PM (71OEY)

376 Franken wants to square off with Cruz? Bring it, monkey boy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 01, 2017 04:59 PM (oVJmc)

377 Do you know for certain that the parents weren't in the loop as to who would be going? In other words, do you know that Trump just up and decided to bring his daughter on a whim?

I still want this question answered.....

But OTOH, it's a stupid subject so who gives a shit?

Posted by: Dirty Randy at February 01, 2017 04:59 PM (jjaLl)

378 https://tinyurl.com/jfjceeq

Trump ripping the Eunuchs who said they would cut their Dicks off if wall is built

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 01, 2017 05:00 PM (y3aQB)

379 366 I graduated from Pickerington when there was still one high school. I haven't lived there in years, so can't say what the schools are like now. They were pretty good when I was there, but that was almost twenty years ago.
Posted by: iwuzhere at February 01, 2017 04:26 PM

Lived right next door to Pick Town, with Reynoldsburg being the black hole of crime, they are seeing some creep into the schools in Pickerington.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 01, 2017 04:57 PM (dKiJG)

Reynoldsburg is a shit hole now. Many years ago it was a nice country town.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at February 01, 2017 05:00 PM (nQ10o)

380 Blackmail Murk with recording of her performing a coke transaction. Blackmail Collins with recording of her boring somebody to death.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 01, 2017 05:00 PM (FtrY1)

381 First Children, however, have been- and I think rightfully so- been deemed off limits in many respects. Where there is an exception, they get appointed to some official role.Team Trump has explicitly said Ivanka has no role.

Again, I have no doubt of her representing herself respectfully and with class. All I am saying is that The President is going in an official capacity as CIC and question if any First Daughter should be included in something like that.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 04:50 PM (71OEY)

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Minor First Children have been deemed off limits in many respects. Ivanka is an adult. There is nothing at all wrong or inappropriate with her offering condolences to grieving family members of those killed serving America.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 01, 2017 05:01 PM (R+30W)

382 And willowed, oh well, Thanks Ladylibertarian

Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2017 05:01 PM (Frvrc)

383 And yet, nobody is appeasing them. Just today Hatch changed Senate rules to stop the Dems fuckery and they will be following the precedent Reid set on federal judges.

It's not about appeasement, it's about doing things in a smart way. Not something the stupid is known for.

And yet, you don't see that as nuclear. That's exactly what it was. Changed the rules to where no dem had to be present to vote.

That's a huge fuck you.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2017 05:02 PM (W2Fol)

384 Juan Williams--STFU.

Posted by: Ladylibertarian at February 01, 2017 05:02 PM (nQ10o)

385 "I'm waiting for the reports of Collins and Murskruntzki being called to the WH"

Real Men delegate. II think Pence will make a more than passable hatchet man.

Posted by: filbert, home again jiggidy-jig at February 01, 2017 05:02 PM (dIP+j)

386 I don't have a problem with Ivanka going though completely unnecessary but what if Trump would have taken his son instead ? Make a difference in opinion?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 01, 2017 05:02 PM (AC18V)

387 The President's use to hold their hand over their hearts, Eisenhower as a former General felt the need to show that he was a Civilian.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 01, 2017 05:03 PM (dKiJG)

388 In addition, some may consider this a concern of a p***y but I do have one. ;^) but perhaps President Trump appreciates the support of a family member as he goes to greet the family and the casket of the first casualty of a service member during his term as CI, which must be a hard thing to do

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 01, 2017 05:03 PM (fDdVG)

389 Meanwhile the Religion of Peace attacked a Church in Uganda.

A pastor in eastern Uganda and eight other Christians are missing two weeks after a Muslim mob attacked a church prayer meeting, locked the congregation in, beat several members and raped 15 women, sources said.

http://tinyurl.com/jkepfxq

It was an evening service with only about 80 people present.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 05:03 PM (39g3+)

390 Have a question for the horde
I hear on the radio spots with 1 out of 5 children in this country go to bed hungry every night. I hear this and want to scream Bull but I don't have any kids. But most of you do and see their freinds, is this possible?

Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2017 04:54 PM (Frvrc)

Listen closely to the phrasing. That's usually the biggest tell. Regardless, they may be hungry when they go to bed (like probably every 8 year old boy), but every one of those same hungry kids is getting free lunches and breakfasts, not to mention food stamps, WIC, etc. We also won't mention if their parents have cell phones, TV, cars, etc. If you are buying HBO instead of feeding your kid...

I've recently been repeatedly told obesity is the same kids' biggest problem, too. It can't be both.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 01, 2017 05:03 PM (Halhc)

391 Say what you will about Les he did build a nice town and said he did it so he could raise his family there.

And that's the Catholic school we were warned about and by a Nun as being liberal.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 01, 2017 04:50 PM (dKiJG

The Wexners are extremely philanthropic. They have donated huge sums of money to Jewish and Catholic charities, and have donated/pledged $100 M to Ohio State specifically to it's medical facilities, (now Wexner Medical Center) , James Cancer Research Hospital and to the Wexner Center of the Arts at OSU. Both personally and through his L Brands, he has donated over $150 M to the Columbus Foundation and his own Wexner Foundation has provided funding for Jewish individuals who wish to pursue rabbinical studies, and another program for Israeli public officials who wish to earn a masters from the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard.

Without philanthropic rich folks, a lot of public events, buildings. etc. wouldn't happen.

Remember, America's library system, particularly in small towns is due to Andrew Carnegie. Carnegie Libraries were possible through his funding.....

Posted by: Jen at February 01, 2017 05:04 PM (z0fov)

392 Franken wants to square off with Cruz?

But only when Cruz isn't around. When he's supposed to be doing his job.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 05:04 PM (39g3+)

393 No, no, persistent-iPhone-nic, I'm on the run once more!

Posted by: filbert at February 01, 2017 05:04 PM (dIP+j)

394 377 Do you know for certain that the parents weren't in the loop as to who would be going? In other words, do you know that Trump just up and decided to bring his daughter on a whim?

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Why don't you go over to Tepid Air. I'm sure they'll appreciate your concern.

Posted by: Soona at February 01, 2017 05:05 PM (Fmupd)

395 388
In addition, some may consider this a concern of a p***y but I do have
one. ;^) but perhaps President Trump appreciates the support of a family
member as he goes to greet the family and the casket of the first
casualty of a service member during his term as CI, which must be a hard
thing to do

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

I agree. I think it may also be the case that Trump thinks his daughter's presence will be of some comfort to the families. It suggests that he takes this responsibility very seriously.

Posted by: pep at February 01, 2017 05:06 PM (LAe3v)

396 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017

I see you're point (others also). Again, I have no question on the intent nor level of respect and sincerity.

I asked the question from the standpoint of protocol. A lot of people have, rightfully IMO, had issues with several things that politicians have done over the last lots of years that have gone against long traditions and protocols.

Second, I brought it up because Trump has made such a big deal that Ivanka has no official role.

I'm not offended. I have no doubt on sincerity or intentions. I do, however, support maintaining separation between acting in official and unofficial capacities, particularly when it involves military and circumstances such as this.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 05:06 PM (71OEY)

397 So the SQUIRREL!!! Of the day is Ivanka's helicopter ride?

Seriously You Guys?

Posted by: filbert at February 01, 2017 05:07 PM (dIP+j)

398 I hear on the radio spots with 1 out of 5 children in this country go to bed hungry every night.

Its a horsecrap statistic. Here's how they come by it:

They check a family for a month. If the kids miss one meal in a day a certain number of times during a month, they're considered to be going hungry (and they probably are, when I was a kid I could have eaten 24 hours a day).

So they average this out, projecting across the whole nation, and averaging the number of meals missed overall. 20% of kids are going without food! Its games with statistics.

Its how they came up with that idiotic "food desert" crap a few years back. Not that they didn't have access to food, but because they didn't have a Whole Foods in the neighborhood.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 05:07 PM (39g3+)

399 https://tinyurl.com/zqe86ey

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Fox Business beats CNBC in total viewers for 4th straight month

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 01, 2017 05:07 PM (y3aQB)

400 Reynoldsburg is a shit hole now. Many years ago it was a nice country town.
Posted by: Ladylibertarian at February 01, 2017 05:00 PM (nQ10o)

Yep they move some section 8 housing and it went to shit. All those strip malls are now a Ghost Town, White Castle left WHITE CASTLE, they never leave any place.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 01, 2017 05:07 PM (dKiJG)

401 I'm old enough to remember when the Republican were going to have a permanent majority. Then it was the Democrats. I don't believe it anymore now than I did then.

Perhaps they should get as much UNdone as they can right now.

Posted by: DaveA at February 01, 2017 05:08 PM (8J/Te)

402 I don't have a problem with Ivanka going though completely unnecessary but what if Trump would have taken his son instead ? Make a difference in opinion?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 01, 2017 05:02 PM (AC18V)

No. And the fact that anyone is trying to make an issue of this is ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous. This is not like the President's wife trying to legally dictate what will be served in school lunch rooms.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 01, 2017 05:08 PM (zc3Db)

403 Why don't you go over to Tepid Air. I'm sure they'll appreciate your concern.

You really misread that comment and the entire discussion.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 05:08 PM (39g3+)

404 >>And yet, you don't see that as nuclear. That's exactly what it was. Changed the rules to where no dem had to be present to vote.

>>That's a huge fuck you.

Because it's not. It's a relatively minor rule change caused by Democrats acting like assholes.

The nuclear option refers to changing the rules for Supreme Court appointments and only Supreme Court appointments and the rules that govern them. Preemptively changing the rules before the process even starts would be a radical departure from decades of precedent and potentially an unforced error.

Gorsuch is a replacement for Scalia. He does not change the court at all assuming he actually voted like Scalia. The Democrats would by idiotic to filibuster this nomination but if they do THEN you drop the nuclear rule and it is on them.

Let's stop pretending that politics doesn't rule over everything that is done in DC. The Donald is learning this rapidly.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 05:09 PM (/tuJf)

405 The President's use to hold their hand over their hearts, Eisenhower as a former General felt the need to show that he was a Civilian.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 01, 2017 05:03 PM (dKiJG)

That's how it should be. If you are uncovered and not in uniform, you do not salute, full stop. Even if you're on active duty. There are rules for this.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 01, 2017 05:12 PM (8nWyX)

406 "I've recently been repeatedly told obesity is the same kids' biggest problem, too. It can't be both."

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 01, 2017 05:03 PM (Halhc)

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In fairness, fat-ass kids do claim to be hungry a lot. Most of the fat-asses I knew did, anyway.

Posted by: Slo-Pitch Whiffer at February 01, 2017 05:12 PM (zke7T)

407 Interesting article on Forbes about that hungry kids! promotional advertising :

Slightly over 21 percent of households are food insecure. This is the one-in-five statistic we hear from the media and advocacy groups. The one-in-five figure is for all households, many of which consist only of adults

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 01, 2017 05:12 PM (Halhc)

408 386 I don't have a problem with Ivanka going though completely unnecessary but what if Trump would have taken his son instead ? Make a difference in opinion?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 01, 2017 05:02 PM (AC18V)

I wouldn't mind if he brought his entire family to pay respects.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 01, 2017 05:13 PM (cAnNx)

409 This is not like the President's wife trying to legally dictate what will be served in school lunch rooms.

Yeah for once I think we're going to have a first lady who doesn't try to be involved in anything except her family.

If you are uncovered and not in uniform, you do not salute, full stop. Even if you're on active duty. There are rules for this.

Yeah Mattis needs to have a sitdown with President Trump and explain how things work. Its all new to the guy, I'm certain.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 05:13 PM (39g3+)

410 Posted by: Ladylibertarian at February 01, 2017 05:00 PM (nQ10o)

Reynoldsburg was starting to go downhill in the late '90s. That doesn't really surprise me.

Posted by: iwuzhere at February 01, 2017 05:14 PM (GRNzr)

411 I would have no problem if DT took Barron, its a very meaningful life experience.

Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2017 05:14 PM (Frvrc)

412 "White Castle left WHITE CASTLE"

This is why we come to the mu.nu

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 01, 2017 05:14 PM (Halhc)

413 Slightly over 21 percent of households are food insecure. This is the one-in-five statistic we hear from the media and advocacy groups.

Exactly, and they define "food insecure" as missing a few meals a month. Then they extrapolate that out and make up utter BS stats to scare people into donating more money.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 05:14 PM (39g3+)

414

You really misread that comment and the entire discussion.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 05:08 PM (39g3+)

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It wasn't directed at you. It was another hurried copy/paste fail (trying to get ready for work and also comment). It was directed at the "concerned" commentor.

Posted by: Soona at February 01, 2017 05:14 PM (Fmupd)

415 Refresh my memory. Murkowski was such a squish she was primary'd last election, right? She LOST the primary to a Tea Party Republican challenger, right? She squeaked out a three-way, write-in, win in the general based on court rules that basically said anything "written in" (MickyMouse-Ky, etc) was a legitimate vote for Murkowski, right?

So, fear of the electorate is no longer a factor in AK?

Posted by: pouncer at February 01, 2017 05:16 PM (V0wWH)

416 https://tinyurl.com/zw5fdgk

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Democrats are becoming the party of secession

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 01, 2017 05:17 PM (y3aQB)

417
405 The President's use to hold their hand over their hearts, Eisenhower as a former General felt the need to show that he was a Civilian.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 01, 2017 05:03 PM (dKiJG)

That's how it should be. If you are uncovered and not in uniform, you do not salute, full stop. Even if you're on active duty. There are rules for this.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 01, 2017 05:12 PM (8nWyX)

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Yup.

Posted by: Soona at February 01, 2017 05:19 PM (Fmupd)

418 402 I don't have a problem with Ivanka going though completely unnecessary but what if Trump would have taken his son instead ? Make a difference in opinion?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 01, 2017 05:02 PM (AC18V)

Not to me.

I'll drop this after this post. I asked because I was curious on thoughts on the protocol aspect but this has gotten distorted into other stuff.

I'll use an example to try to demonstrate why I asked:
One of the hard things about being President, any president, is that 24/7 all of your actions are viewed through the lens of your official role. People voted for you, not your family. You have a job and responsibilities to the nation, not your family. This is tough because family is part of your life 24/7 also, so it has always been important to maintain distinct separations for a lot of very good reasons.

How often (not defending this, BTW) do presidents get endless reporting, questions, and accusations made because someone "close to" them said something? For this reason, distinction is made between official actions and non official actions, between who goes where and who does not, who says what to whom...

It was never a question of respect or implied aspersions to anyone's character or what someone might or might not appreciate. There are very good reasons for separating official and non official things and this is blurry, irrespective of intentions which I am sure are good and sincere.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 05:20 PM (71OEY)

419 Damiano, drop it. You're coming across all creepy and weird.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at February 01, 2017 05:22 PM (CWJvQ)

420 Still here, I have no gainzz, other than a new bottle of single malt.

Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2017 05:23 PM (Frvrc)

421 Because it's not. It's a relatively minor rule change caused by Democrats acting like assholes.
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Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 05:09 PM (/tuJf)

This was a major rule change for one big reason named Orrin Hatch. This RINO was one of the couple of squishes that were *against* eliminating the filibuster for judicial appointment approvals. The Dems should have been patting him on the back and calling him a hero for standing up to the "extremists". Instead they have ticked him off and disgusted him to the point where he's figured out that their "civility" is a scam and he's ready to rewrite the rules. Now there's a good chance he's going to be on our side in the general Senate.

Posted by: joe at February 01, 2017 05:23 PM (timOb)

422 That's how it should be. If you are uncovered and not in uniform, you do not salute, full stop. Even if you're on active duty. There are rules for this.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 01, 2017 05:12 PM (8nWyX)

Agreed. And it was always this way for the CIC, until Reagan. I was curious about this and went back and read about Reagan's reasoning and saw his point, particularly because of the type of man he was. Here's a fine Marine at the door of my chopper and I'm supposed to just walk by? That would feel disrespectful to me, as a civilian, if I were in that position. I'd want to acknowledge them in some way.

Still, this comes up with every new president ever since. Is it proper for the CIC to return a salute or not? Pre Reagan, the answer was No. Post Reagan, it's gotten blurry and twisted as both a sign of respect and disrespect, depending on who wants to complain.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 05:25 PM (71OEY)

423 Damiano, drop it. You're coming across all creepy and weird.

No, I understand what he's getting at, I just don't think it applies in this situation. He's right that the president has to be very careful because his job is 24 hours a day without a break. Everything he does is a public statement about the office and the country -- something Obama didn't grasp.

But taking family along to visit with a grieving family is not a violation of protocol nor in any way problematic. If President Obama had taken one of his daughters along to some visit to a soldier's family, I wouldn't have minded, or seen a problem with that, either. Something I strive to be is consistent when it comes to politics and politicians. I know I'm not very good at it, but I think we all should.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 05:26 PM (39g3+)

424 It was never a question of respect or implied aspersions to anyone's character or what someone might or might not appreciate. There are very good reasons for separating official and non official things and this is blurry, irrespective of intentions which I am sure are good and sincere.
Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 05:20 PM (71OEY)

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First off, I think Ivanka is smart enough to know where she stands as far as her dad's position is concerned. She doesn't seem to be as politically crass as some of the other family members of a couple of recent presidents we've had.

Posted by: Soona at February 01, 2017 05:27 PM (Fmupd)

425 Still, this comes up with every new president ever since. Is it proper for the CIC to return a salute or not? Pre Reagan, the answer was No. Post Reagan, it's gotten blurry and twisted as both a sign of respect and disrespect, depending on who wants to complain.

Well here's the thing. The President of the United States is a civilian leader of the military so the rules for military and civilian behavior neither one are exactly applicable to him. He's in a unique position, so as long as its consistent, respectful, and honorable I am fine with the reaction.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 05:28 PM (39g3+)

426 >>The Dems should have been patting him on the back and calling him a hero for standing up to the "extremists". Instead they have ticked him off and disgusted him to the point where he's figured out that their "civility" is a scam and he's ready to rewrite the rules.Now there's a good chance he's going to be on our side in the general Senate.

Which is exactly why, as I have been saying, sometimes it's best to let your opponent fuck up rather than taking pre-emptive action.

Let the Democrats show their asses to the world and make it clear why rules are being changed. We lose absolutely nothing but gain the moral high ground and take away the ability of the left and the media to shriek and howl about power hungry Republicans.

We will never have the media behind us. Not ever. So why give them ammo when we can accomplish the goals we want while coming of as the good guys?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 01, 2017 05:29 PM (/tuJf)

427 Late to this but does anyone here really think it was bad to take Ivanka to the arrival of the Seals remains? Seriously? I think the presence of a Woman would be comforting....

Posted by: deplorable donna at February 01, 2017 05:29 PM (O2RFr)

428 It shouldn't be a problem as long as its in respect of the fallen and their family

Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2017 05:29 PM (Frvrc)

429 You really think Alaska is going to send a Democrat to DC over an Education secretary vote?
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These women hate the idea of kids being educated outside the public school system and conservative voters need to remember that for the next primary.

Posted by: Maritime at February 01, 2017 04:44 PM (qRZ4c)

I don't think that's it. I think it's really all about power. Susan Collins has been doing this stuff for years for one reason: it makes her into the most popular person in the Senate. Presidents invite her to the Oval Office to try to woo her. Party leaders, TV journalists, and big money lobbyists all compete to get her attention. All eyes are on Senator Collins and all the speculation is about how she'll vote. No, Collins has no principles, except to stay unpredictable enough that both sides think she might swing their way. She's the Anthony Kennedy of the Senate.

Murkowski I don't care to try to explain.

Posted by: joe at February 01, 2017 05:30 PM (timOb)

430 It shouldn't be a problem as long as its in respect of the fallen and their family

An unlike Obama, Trump kept it under wraps... No showboating...

Posted by: deplorable donna at February 01, 2017 05:30 PM (O2RFr)

431 Donna not only not late its the subject running for the last 50 comments

Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2017 05:31 PM (Frvrc)

432 Not mentioned on the sidebar but yesterday CNN ran a story about... 12 people who spelled No Ban on a beach in the sand.

That was the story.

The tide washed it away within an hour.

I can't even imagine the humiliation of working for a crapfest like CNN.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 05:32 PM (39g3+)

433 An unlike Obama, Trump kept it under wraps... No showboating...

Yeah he didn't even tell the press, which they threw a fit over he left without explaining where and why! Unprecedented! Inconceivable! How could anyone have the audacity!!!!!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 05:34 PM (39g3+)

434 Someone wrote way above they were betting unlike Barak, President DT wouldn't be releasing a photo of himself at the ceremony.

Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2017 05:34 PM (Frvrc)

435 You say:
"It's time to let parents choose, and to make schools accountable to their customers."

I say:
It's even MORE time to tar and feather the Rove Republicans and start running them out of town on rails. And if they don't get the message after the first few celebrations, then let them bust their Mussolini moves while swinging from lamp posts. The GOP controls BOTH houses of Congress, yet they STILL refuse to back the President. Because, after all, most of them are One World Government aficionados, just like the Democrats.

Posted by: Mark Matis at February 01, 2017 05:35 PM (LzG0h)

436 He's in a unique position, so as long as its consistent, respectful, and honorable I am fine with the reaction.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 01, 2017 05:28 PM (39g3+)

That's probably the end-of-the-day shakeout from it. There isn't really a good way of returning a salute aside from actually returning a salute. And he is the CinC after all; I'm probably making too much of it. It's just a very specific honor rendered, with rules on how it's done and when it isn't. Eisenhower's gesture and the reason for it are a good show of humility.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 01, 2017 05:39 PM (8nWyX)

437 I guess thats a wrap.

Posted by: Skip at February 01, 2017 05:46 PM (Frvrc)

438 The GOP needs to stop protecting cowardly senators from certain states. I could understand certain blue states, although even there if you take the "Trump approach" you can actually be a more aggressive conservative as long as you dumped on free trade and liberal billionaires.

But Alaska? South Carolina? Texas? Come on...what a waste of a seat.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 01, 2017 05:48 PM (MuTTO)

439 It is suitable for any American to pay their respect in this situation, given the opportunity.

Posted by: Sancho at February 01, 2017 05:51 PM (iuoTc)

440 @425

I completely agree.

Regrettably, one of the shit parts of being president is that someone is always out to call you out on something and take advantage of you in some way.

I loathe Obama with every fiber of my being. On his first Marine One ride, he stopped and shook the Marine's hand who was saluting him. Awkward as hell of the Marine, who kind of stumbled between "shit, do I break the regs and lower my salute to shake his hand or be disrespectful and not shake his hand".

Personally, I probably would have done the same as Obama my first time out because, as a civilian and out of wanting to treat the Marine with respect as a person and not a doorman.

A lot of people, however, freaked the fuck out.

Ike was lucky. He knew the protocol and was well used to not saluting out of uniform or uncovered and as a general. For people more from civilian life, it's hard. Especially business people. It's the height of disrespect to simply walk by anyone who acknowledges you.

Protocols matter and it's way too easy to get them wrong with the best intentions and have a slew of unnecessary fall out to deal with.

Posted by: Damiano at February 01, 2017 05:52 PM (71OEY)

441 I'd say "Screw 'em", but making any guy do so would violate the 8th Amendment. OTOH, I'm not sure anyone ever thought either one conservative.

Posted by: George LeS at February 01, 2017 05:57 PM (+TcCF)

442 Brit PM May must have received the Soros mind control ray. She is stabbing Trump now over the extreme vetting.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 01, 2017 06:03 PM (fqERy)

443 Grassley is slightly retarded isn't he?

Posted by: Under Fire at February 01, 2017 06:14 PM (fqERy)

444 Presidents are always accompanied by people constantly informing them of proper protocols in any given situation.

Posted by: Sancho at February 01, 2017 06:14 PM (iuoTc)

445 "On point is if Melania isn't going and maybe not picking up FLOTUS trips I see no problem if Ivanka goes."

There's precedent. Several Presidents were widowers and generally had one of their daughters (or other female relative) act in the ceremonial role as hostess.

James Buchanan, the only permanent bachelor President (who was quite possibly gay) used his orphaned niece (who he'd adopted as his daughter).

Grover Cleveland, the only other one who had never been married, and who was definitely NOT gay (he'd been named as the father of an illegitimate child, and paid child support to the mother) wound up marrying a 21 year old hottie in his first term. Before that, his sister did the ceremonial honors.

I seem to recall several other cases where the First Lady was traveling, ill, or whatever and the First Daughter/Niece/Cousin stepped up to the plate but I'm too lazy to Google them.

With respect to the saluting... military customs do change, and it seems to me that if anyone is allowed to change them, the Commander in Chief is the one. Clearly no disrespect was intended. Quite the opposite.

Posted by: Pepe le Mooko at February 01, 2017 06:36 PM (CASVy)

446 Really, like energy, you need an "all of the above" approach. There is no way in places like Maine and Alaska that non-public education would fit in. However, those Senators should realize that they are Republican and as such education should be left to the states and the head of education shouldn't have any say on how schools are structured assuming she isn't giving out tons of grant money to the states.

As for the bozos on here, same thing: If you are all gung ho for charter schools and private schools, etc. that's fine, but to be a true conservative, that should be left to the states and not to the Secretary of Education.

I merely want an Education Secretary that says she/he will not put any mandates on school districts with the grants they receive.

Posted by: doug at February 01, 2017 06:39 PM (Y7fRE)

447 Collins may be the best Republican you can get from Maine, but Murkowski has been primaried before, only to run and win as an independent with a Democratic endorsement. It's time for Alaska to elect a real Republican as opposed to a second-generation oligarchic corruptocrat.

Posted by: Grouchy Dino at February 01, 2017 06:40 PM (dEnig)

448 BTW, I think online education is where the future is at for a huge portion of the K-12 education, I mean forget brick and mortar private schools and charter schools. Half of the kids should be spending 2/3 of their school day in online education.

Posted by: doug at February 01, 2017 06:42 PM (Y7fRE)

449 192 Trump should remind both of these hags he owns the IRS, FEC, and DOJ. They might be interested in your campaign and personal finances.

Posted by: Under Fire

Harsh. I love it.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 01, 2017 06:43 PM (iWW0H)

450 14 An artist I follow that lives in Michigan has been screaming that he doesn't want this woman anywhere near his son's education. But he never says WHY, he just yells about how horrible she is.

Posted by: pookysgirl

Let's face it. His kid doesn't stand a chance. Nurture can only do so much.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 01, 2017 06:44 PM (iWW0H)

451 26 Well, they got 56 votes for Tillerson so it isn't inconceivable they could pull at least ONE Democrat in a red state.

But these two really do suck.

Posted by: Moron Pundit

25 % of democrat delegates are teachers or teachers spouses and the teachers Union is one of the top election spenders, so no dem is going against them.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 01, 2017 06:54 PM (iWW0H)

452 450 14 An artist I follow that lives in Michigan has been screaming that he doesn't want this woman anywhere near his son's education. But he never says WHY, he just yells about how horrible she is.

Posted by: pookysgirl

Let's face it. His kid doesn't stand a chance. Nurture can only do so much.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn

Come to think of it, the kid has nature and nurture working against him. He's fukked.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 01, 2017 06:55 PM (iWW0H)

453
90 So these two Democrats In All But Name kill the DeVos nomination and Trump announces he's closing the Department of Education (that educates precisely nobody), transferring the handful of useful functions of the now-former department to other agencies, laying-off the rest (probably 70-80 percent of the total employment of the, again, now-former department), and appointing DeVos to a position in the administration overseeing the Ed functions of the new department that doesn't need Senate confirmation.

Or, the Senate can vote again, this time with at least 50-votes to confirm.

Their choice.

#Winning

Posted by: DocJ

I like the way you think. Except for all the hobo skinning fantasies. I'm taking the fifth on that.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 01, 2017 06:57 PM (iWW0H)

454 When I heard the news my first thought is that there must be some way for Trump and McConnell to punish them. The democrats have far better party discipline than the republicans. It is time the republicans start bringing the hammer to the dissenters.

Posted by: Locke Common at February 01, 2017 10:01 PM (3qOVv)

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