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One Third of Californians Favor Secession from the United States
Now that liberals are talking about it, it's a Serious Issue which deserves Careful Consideration.
And I think we should consider it. I think it's time to ask ourselves if it's time for a National Divorce. What is the point of maintaining a marriage if it makes everyone very unhappy? (And there are no kids involved.) This is not the same country as it used to be and there's no point pretending otherwise. I think the history of the twenty-first century will largely be of undoing the artificially-constructed, over-large nation states that were made up in the nineteenth century. And yeah, the large nation-state is that recent an invention. There's nothing eternal about it. Nation-states could use some right-sizing. We should not all be competing for the power to make millions of other people's lives miserable. We should just be adults about it and say "Good luck" to each other, and let us each pursue our own right-sized happiness.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at January 25, 2017 11:55 AM (ul9CR)
Posted by: nnptcgrad at January 25, 2017 11:56 AM (81UWZ)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at January 25, 2017 11:56 AM (ul9CR)
Posted by: cornbred at January 25, 2017 11:56 AM (p5I3C)
Posted by: River Commander at January 25, 2017 11:56 AM (d7j5s)
Posted by: pep at January 25, 2017 11:57 AM (NrQPT)
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 25, 2017 11:57 AM (mBnZE)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2017 11:57 AM (E9ede)
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 25, 2017 11:57 AM (B11vO)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2017 11:57 AM (jsWA8)
Besides, California will never survive as an independent nation. Do we need *another* failed narcostate on our border?
Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at January 25, 2017 11:57 AM (e4ZX9)
Posted by: Lex Luthor, schemin. at January 25, 2017 11:57 AM (kVX3W)
Posted by: Blanco at January 25, 2017 11:57 AM (tGBt6)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 11:58 AM (n9gGi)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 25, 2017 11:58 AM (jK8Z7)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at January 25, 2017 11:58 AM (vtcmf)
Times change...
Posted by: Billy Occam at January 25, 2017 11:58 AM (ihtYN)
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2017 11:58 AM (xd0pN)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 25, 2017 11:58 AM (IqV8l)
Besides, California will never survive as an independent nation. Do we need *another* failed narcostate on our border?
Posted by: Sausage McMuffin at January 25, 2017 11:57 AM (e4ZX9)
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Just imagine the border wall we'll be able to authorize without California mucking it up.
Maybe we'll be able to make them pay for it too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 11:58 AM (n9gGi)
But if those Cali libtards ever do something good for this world, let it be withdrawing California from the union.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at January 25, 2017 11:58 AM (WuRdh)
And only the lawyer$ will win.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 25, 2017 11:59 AM (wtvvX)
The size of the nation state doesn't matter, it's the willingness to mind your own business that's key. If you doubt that, consider some HOAs.
Posted by: pep at January 25, 2017 11:59 AM (NrQPT)
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2017 11:59 AM (xd0pN)
Liberals want everyone to bend to their will.
My guess is this number of people wanting secession in CA will go up dramatically if Trump wins reelection and the Electoral vote is again lopsided in his direction.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 11:59 AM (RYUuq)
Posted by: Guzalot at January 25, 2017 11:59 AM (prSvo)
It was the Scots who made the decision to stay. Not all the English were very happy about it, IIRC.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2017 11:59 AM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: IC at January 25, 2017 11:59 AM (a0IVu)
1) Valid point about military bases. What do we do? Treaty?
2) Natural disaster(s)? We all know California is a ticking time bomb until the next big earthquake. If we "divorce", they on their own?
3) How do we negotiate a division of what I'll refer to as spoils? CA certainly has their fair share of the $19 Trillion of our nation's debt. Taxes (Revenue) coming into the U.S. Treasury will definitely take a huge hit.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 25, 2017 11:59 AM (jxbfJ)
And Air Force bases, and Marine training bases.
Maybe some swapping has to happen. We keep the bases, maybe California gets some water. Or they can buy the bases, and get real thirsty later.
Posted by: River Commander at January 25, 2017 11:59 AM (d7j5s)
Just think, we could vacation in California with it's devalued currency it would be 3rd world cheap.
Posted by: Keith at January 25, 2017 11:59 AM (USf3s)
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at January 25, 2017 12:00 PM (VFOGK)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 25, 2017 12:00 PM (jK8Z7)
The state that leaves gets the land. Ex: Ft. Hood, Texas.
That land was Texas long before it was a military base.
Feds can take their toys & leave, but the land reverts to the state. Texas was a sovereign nation before it was a state.
That land is ours.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2017 12:00 PM (E9ede)
That's a nice buzzword you found yourself, Ace. Have you been talking to HR again? ;-)
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:00 PM (8hICw)
Um, "could be" only if they loosened their draconian anti-energy statutes. Which would piss off their new Hollywood overlords.
CalExit would be a ton of fun to watch from a distance.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at January 25, 2017 12:00 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: Billy Occam at January 25, 2017 12:00 PM (ihtYN)
No clue whatsoever.
California cluelessness is in fact a major American problem.
Send in the ClueSticks!
Posted by: filbert at January 25, 2017 12:00 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at January 25, 2017 12:00 PM (vtcmf)
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Posted by: Skitch Patterson at January 25, 2017 12:00 PM (8XRCm)
We need to make a rule, if you secede then no chance of US citizenship ever.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2017 12:00 PM (/tuJf)
I would prefer 'Learn to Swim', by Tool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8vmaj75xzE
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2017 11:58 AM (xd0pN)
Love that band's music.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 25, 2017 12:00 PM (jxbfJ)
Liberals want everyone to bend to their will.
My guess is this number of people wanting secession in CA will go up dramatically if Trump wins reelection and the Electoral vote is again lopsided in his direction.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 11:59 AM (RYUuq)
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Well, to be fair, liberals cheered the idea of Texas leaving too.
I mean, who needs a functioning and wealthy petro-state with a very diversified economy beyond energy right on the US border? Especially one that would probably take a hard line on who enters their nation?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:01 PM (n9gGi)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 12:01 PM (Qd/25)
Posted by: Billy Occam at January 25, 2017 12:01 PM (ihtYN)
And Air Force bases, and Marine training bases.
Maybe some swapping has to happen. We keep the bases, maybe California gets some water. Or they can buy the bases, and get real thirsty later.
Posted by: River Commander
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I would gladly take that hit to get rid of California in American politics.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:01 PM (RYUuq)
Posted by: Blanco at January 25, 2017 12:01 PM (tGBt6)
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And the national debt. The Calikookies need to pay their share.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at January 25, 2017 12:01 PM (Nwg0u)
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.The rest of the lower "45" would lose our access to the Pacific if all three States left.
Posted by: Lizard People at January 25, 2017 12:01 PM (le7jz)
It was the Scots who made the decision to stay. Not all the English were very happy about it, IIRC.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2017 11:59 AM (bZ7mE)
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They did vote to stay, but since Brexit, they've been talking about voting again because they want to be part of the EU.
Let them go.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:01 PM (n9gGi)
Posted by: mx4 at January 25, 2017 12:02 PM (fnZkc)
It will be interesting to see what happens when the special snowflakes lose all the protections of the U.S. Constitution.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 12:02 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 25, 2017 12:02 PM (4WhSY)
This might be the one-third that considers licking a frozen flag pole to be a good idea, who knows.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 25, 2017 12:02 PM (nd1zx)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 25, 2017 12:00 PM (jK8Z7)
Plus, no more trips to DC. They get to suck it in Sacramento!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 25, 2017 12:02 PM (wtvvX)
In Schlichter's book, the pols and celebs all live behind walls in Hollywood, with their own private security, where they spew out disasterous policies that effect everyone but them.
I expect it would go much like that.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at January 25, 2017 12:02 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: Octiparan at January 25, 2017 12:02 PM (C1nzo)
Posted by: Jerry Brownnote at January 25, 2017 12:02 PM (vtcmf)
Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2017 12:02 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: cornbred at January 25, 2017 12:02 PM (p5I3C)
So maybe we can just let them have SF and LA?
Posted by: shibumi, on the Trump Train at Station One at January 25, 2017 12:03 PM (J5mC3)
I mean, who needs a functioning and wealthy petro-state with a very diversified economy beyond energy right on the US border? Especially one that would probably take a hard line on who enters their nation?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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No, they actually flipped out when Rick Perry offhand mentioned it when talking about ObamaCare.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:03 PM (RYUuq)
wheat and chaff; wheat and chaff
Posted by: Billy Occam at January 25, 2017 12:00 PM (ihtYN)
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We should welcome them with open arms and move them to the Northeast.
Spread them out through Rhode Island, Connecticut, Maine, and New Hampshire.
Just imagine the Republican senators...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:03 PM (n9gGi)
Posted by: Benji Carver at January 25, 2017 12:03 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2017 12:03 PM (xd0pN)
Then after the Big One, our new coastline will likely be somewhere around what was the border between the USA and the Coastal People's Republic.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at January 25, 2017 12:03 PM (hA1V+)
Posted by: Dang at January 25, 2017 12:03 PM (8b+oT)
No. Not even close.
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (xd0pN)
The rest of the lower "45" would lose our access to the Pacific if all three States left.
Posted by: Lizard People at January 25, 2017 12:01 PM (le7jz)
How big are their navies?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (lKyWE)
Commenter 1 - The Civil War 2.0 was about illegal immigration and sanctuary cities! President Trump did what he had to do!
Commenter 2 - No, it was about state's rights and federalism! Trump was a tyrant!
Some things never change.
Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (oZ6kz)
If not...then U-Haul.
Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: mrp at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (JBggj)
He was one of my favorite football players ever. Tough as f'in nails and a real mensch.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (jK8Z7)
What you would get out of that would be the narrow strip of coast containing the arrogant gentry liberals opting for nationhood, while the more conservative and traditional inland counties became one or more new states of the USA.
Observe the longstanding push for the "State of Jefferson", which would amalgamate parts of northern California and southern Oregon.
Both of which are rural timber and ranching regions that have been systematically screwed over by their states' leftist urban cores for many decades now, and who haven't been liking it much. The State of Jefferson logo is in fact two tilted Xs: the "double cross".
Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (noWW6)
No, they actually flipped out when Rick Perry offhand mentioned it when talking about ObamaCare.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:03 PM (RYUuq)
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Some did that, for sure. But I also saw some cheering it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (n9gGi)
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Posted by: OregonGuy at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (JB50/)
Posted by: JoshO at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (34zfN)
Posted by: connor at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (0kVnk)
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.The rest of the lower "45" would lose our access to the Pacific if all three States left.
Posted by: Lizard People at January 25, 2017 12:01 PM (le7jz)
Northern CA/Southern OR would likely want to stay in the union.
Maybe if we promise San Diego they could have an NFL team back, we could keep San Diego, too.
Posted by: filbert at January 25, 2017 12:05 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2017 11:57 AM (E9ede)
Why would Texas want to leave when that State would be the most influential in a new Union?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois Check Fire! at January 25, 2017 12:05 PM (d76uN)
Commenter 1 - The Civil War 2.0 was about illegal immigration and sanctuary cities! President Trump did what he had to do!
Commenter 2 - No, it was about state's rights and federalism! Trump was a tyrant!
Some things never change.
Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (oZ6kz)
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That's silly. You're silly.
Thinking that we would fight to keep California in the union.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:05 PM (n9gGi)
Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at January 25, 2017 12:04 PM (oZ6kz)
Don't even get me started about longbows and crossbows.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon, 2167 version at January 25, 2017 12:05 PM (jK8Z7)
Posted by: BignJames at January 25, 2017 12:05 PM (x9c8r)
Posted by: tu3031 at January 25, 2017 12:05 PM (qJhUV)
Posted by: Chris M at January 25, 2017 12:06 PM (eAZVt)
And I think we should consider it. I think it's time to ask ourselves if it's time for a National Divorce.
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Ive come to believe its going to happen. Eventually. Maybe not in my lifetime but pretty sure it will happen in my kids lifetime.
The only question I have is will it be an amicable or a antagonistic.
And judging by the how the shit stains are behaving these days.... there's really not much question.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 25, 2017 12:06 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Soothsayer SLE at January 25, 2017 12:06 PM (Mk/Qf)
Posted by: Tim in Illinois Check Fire! at January 25, 2017 12:06 PM (d76uN)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2017 12:06 PM (bZ7mE)
Besides, California will never survive as an independent nation. Do we need *another* failed narcostate on our border?
We can build another wall. Would love to see Failfornia do an epic face plant. The loss of 55 electoral votes would mean no Democratic Presidents ever again.
Posted by: An Observation at January 25, 2017 12:06 PM (AQG9N)
Maybe we'll be able to make them pay for it too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Libertarians HATE the idea of building a border wall, or did you not know that?
Gary Johnson didn't even like the word "illegal immigrant" he thought it was offensive and actually wanted less border security.
A completely open border was the Libertarian platform.
Posted by: DoubleDare at January 25, 2017 12:06 PM (nq/J2)
Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at January 25, 2017 12:06 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: MTF, Fire Julia Ioffe! at January 25, 2017 12:07 PM (LISuA)
I'm confident we can take and hold the Columbia River from Sea to Butte!
Who is going to stop us - Oregon?
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2017 12:07 PM (xd0pN)
Maybe if we promise San Diego they could have an NFL team back, we could keep San Diego, too.
Posted by: filbert at January 25, 2017 12:05 PM (s5o+q)
The West Virginia solution?
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 25, 2017 12:07 PM (jK8Z7)
Posted by: Furious George at January 25, 2017 12:07 PM (77i7V)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 25, 2017 12:07 PM (le7jz)
Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2017 12:07 PM (Fmupd)
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OMG, we'd lose the celebrities!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at January 25, 2017 12:07 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2017 12:07 PM (2RVmA)
Posted by: filbert at January 25, 2017 12:05 PM (s5o+q)
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Screw em. We can Navy base out of Alaska.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 25, 2017 12:07 PM (8XRCm)
Come to think of it: WTF without Colorado water. Ha ha ha. That would last a week.
Posted by: bestie21 at January 25, 2017 12:07 PM (jOekh)
Libertarians HATE the idea of building a border wall, or did you not know that?
Gary Johnson didn't even like the word "illegal immigrant" he thought it was offensive and actually wanted less border security.
A completely open border was the Libertarian platform.
Posted by: DoubleDare at January 25, 2017 12:06 PM (nq/J2)
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Oh my gosh!
I had no idea!
Oh, wait...I did. I also knew that Gary Johnson would never become president.
I really don't know what you're trying to accomplish dude. Do you just want to try and make me feel bad? Cause some anonymous commenter at the HQ isn't going to do it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:07 PM (n9gGi)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:07 PM (n9gGi)
Wouldn't it be clever if we created a Narrative that these people are doing this to keep their cheap labor, ie, slave labor, to pick their fruit and mow the lawns?
Posted by: Soothsayer SLE at January 25, 2017 12:08 PM (Mk/Qf)
Posted by: mig0 at January 25, 2017 12:08 PM (GfWEp)
1) only allow Southern Cal to secede;
2) recognize their independence;
3) nuke them
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at January 25, 2017 12:08 PM (Jcg9Q)
Pfffft The Republic of Texas will go back to the original 1836 map.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2017 12:08 PM (E9ede)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 25, 2017 12:08 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Tim in Illinois Check Fire! at January 25, 2017 12:08 PM (d76uN)
Sounds good, but we'll be needing a check in US dollars for their share of the debt on a per capita basis. Lets call it $4 trillion.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2017 12:08 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Paladin at January 25, 2017 12:08 PM (4kpbt)
Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2017 12:07 PM (Fmupd)
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"HAHAHAHAHAHA!"
-The 14th Amendment and SCOTUS in unison
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:08 PM (n9gGi)
The illegals work, and the slackers are lazy
Go away! go away! go away! La-la Land!
There's bunches of good people just getting screwed,
By Moonbeam Brown and the Hollywood crew
Go away! go away! go away! La-la Land!
Well, it seems they're feeling frisky! Go away, go away!
But having their own country's might risky, go away, La-la land.
Away, away, no more defense for Cal-ifornia
Away, away, they'll wake up Nuevo Nogales one fine morning!
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 25, 2017 12:08 PM (nd1zx)
Remember that time Ace Banned Himself!?
...never. Gets. Old.
Posted by: garrett at 200 at January 25, 2017 12:08 PM (xd0pN)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at January 25, 2017 12:08 PM (FQKBL)
This survey result is the exact equivalent of the senseless, fact-free, unhinged meltdowns by public figures that are receiving so much web attention (including here).
Imagine the outflow of talent and business to the "US" if this were to be in the offing. It's already substantial. Especially if President Trump (ha! still hilarious to write that) makes noises about trade relations being reviewed from the ground up, ahemm.
So, you have 1/3 of CA idiots, in the full furore of their idiotic post-election hysteria, pretending to believe they support some dramatic move. Wait 6 months, it'll be below that.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2017 12:08 PM (QDnY+)
In terms of total land, very little of the state would go along.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:09 PM (RYUuq)
Posted by: East Bay Jay at January 25, 2017 12:09 PM (PvCxa)
Posted by: bestie21 at January 25, 2017 12:09 PM (jOekh)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 12:09 PM (Qd/25)
Posted by: V the K at January 25, 2017 12:09 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at January 25, 2017 12:09 PM (oZ6kz)
Posted by: River Commander
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I would gladly take that hit to get rid of California in American politics.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:01 PM (RYUuq)
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Alaska give us the Pacific ports.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 25, 2017 12:09 PM (8XRCm)
Wouldn't it be easier just to nuke the san andreas fault?
Posted by: Soothsayer SLE at January 25, 2017 12:09 PM (Mk/Qf)
Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2017 12:10 PM (tewYv)
This might be the one-third that considers licking a frozen flag pole to be a good idea, who knows.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 25, 2017 12:02 PM (nd1zx)
Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crap.
Unfortunately, this includes people. That's why we stuff like religion and ethics and tradition and law and Cobs and the like exist - - to control the innate assholeishnes of the common human.
Posted by: filbert at January 25, 2017 12:10 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: V the K at January 25, 2017 12:09 PM (O7MnT)
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"I don't get it."
-Washington D.C., all together now
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:10 PM (n9gGi)
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 12:10 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2017 12:10 PM (hecJ2)
Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2017 12:10 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: Benji Carver at January 25, 2017 12:03 PM (OD2ni)
NorCal has plenty of water, or would if the Feds let them use it. SoCal gets a good deal of its water from NorCal (the California Aqueduct), as well as a significant amount from the Colorado River (which forms California's border with Arizona). So, basically yes.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 25, 2017 12:10 PM (2NLtQ)
This might be the one-third that considers licking a frozen flag pole to be a good idea, who knows.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 25, 2017 12:02 PM (nd1zx)
Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crap.
Unfortunately, this includes people. That's why we stuff like religion and ethics and tradition and law and Cobs and the like exist - - to control the innate assholeishnes of the common human.
Posted by: filbert at January 25, 2017 12:10 PM (s5o+q)
Posting from an ipad is crap.
Posted by: filbert at January 25, 2017 12:10 PM (s5o+q)
Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crap.
Unfortunately, this includes people. That's why we stuff like religion and ethics and tradition and law and Cobs and the like exist - - to control the innate assholeishnes of the common human.
Posted by: filbert at January 25, 2017 12:10 PM (s5o+q)
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Roughly half of all people are of below average intelligence.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:11 PM (n9gGi)
That needs an overhaul anyway.
Posted by: DoubleDare at January 25, 2017 12:11 PM (nq/J2)
Posted by: rickb223
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Amen! Preach it, brother!
Posted by: Southwest Kansas and Southeast Colorado at January 25, 2017 12:11 PM (77i7V)
They are afraid to do a referendum in the rest of Canada asking if we want Quebec because they know they wouldn't like the answer.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at January 25, 2017 12:11 PM (iWW0H)
Kelly gets sacked hard with his team deep in the red zone, inside the ten yard line, and suffers a concussion.
Goes into the huddle and it's lights out behind the eyes. Bills then-center Kent Hull calls the plays for the rattled Kelly, a handoff, then another handoff. On third down and 4 Kelly slurs to Hull, "just let me throw it."
Hull dutifully calls the pass, and Kelly completes it for the TD, then takes himself out of the game.
Hull said after the game, when Jim Kelly smells the end zone, no concussion can keep him away. Kelly himself didn't remember a thing after the sack.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at January 25, 2017 12:11 PM (ul9CR)
Posted by: goodluckduck at January 25, 2017 12:11 PM (yqvys)
Wouldn't it be smart for us, politically, if we start calling these people "Confederates?"
Posted by: Soothsayer SLE
Yes, and referring to the sanctuary cities as a nullification crisis
Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2017 12:11 PM (2RVmA)
I'm pretty sure the money for such activities will be on the chopping block.
And when the fed money dries up, then real people will have to cough up real money to maintain the chill. And that's when the fun begins.
So, joke.
Posted by: mrp at January 25, 2017 12:12 PM (JBggj)
It's 45 here in NW IN today. Taste the aluminum.
Posted by: DaveA at January 25, 2017 12:12 PM (8J/Te)
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2017 12:12 PM (xd0pN)
I dreamed of this when living in the finger lakes of NY andn had only in common with the NYC a$$hats my ta dollars
Posted by: ThePatriot at January 25, 2017 12:12 PM (p98p+)
1. Scandinavian style tax rates.
2. Plush welfare benefits.
3. Strict "Green" Laws.
4. Open immigration/Immediate citizenship upon residency.
5. Complete ban on the private ownership of firearms.
Posted by: V the K at January 25, 2017 12:12 PM (O7MnT)
Like in comments above: no water. No federal money that Pelosi depends on for her vineyard.
In the event of a natural disaster the will have no help but volunteers and donations from generous people?
They have no laws...but guess they don't need no stinkin' laws...it will all be Fulton Street where anything goes.
I guess all the peace and pot will be their weapons.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at January 25, 2017 12:12 PM (fq4ih)
Wouldn't it be smart for us, politically, if we start calling these people "Confederates?"
Posted by: Soothsayer SLE
Yes, and referring to the sanctuary cities as a nullification crisis
Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2017 12:11 PM (2RVmA)
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I use "neo-Confederates".
They put "neo" in front of everything that they don't like, so why not us too?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:12 PM (n9gGi)
Premise is that there should be a voluntary CA withdrawal because some poll got one-third support.
You could get one-third support in a poll of CA residents that aliens routinely visit Earth.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 25, 2017 12:12 PM (SIY7D)
Sadly, the idea of the Constitution as inherently racist came from the the abolitionists as well. I was surprised how many didn't believe that blacks and whites could *ever* live together peacefully and were big fans of places like Haiti and Liberia as teh answer.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 25, 2017 12:12 PM (sEDyY)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2017 12:13 PM (cBMbF)
Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2017 12:13 PM (tewYv)
Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 25, 2017 12:13 PM (U6f54)
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at January 25, 2017 12:13 PM (Jcg9Q)
But, today nearly every state--standing alone--would count as a first-world country by GDP.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2017 12:13 PM (hecJ2)
...
I guess all the peace and pot will be their weapons.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at January 25, 2017 12:12 PM (fq4ih)
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"We're on the right side of history. Armies are a thing of the past."
-California
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:13 PM (n9gGi)
Was.
Then, they elected that pervy Filner guy and went blue last election.
Posted by: V the K at January 25, 2017 12:13 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: The People's Republic of Coastland at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (hA1V+)
Posted by: Chuck Finley at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (mOEro)
Posted by: StrawMan at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (yT7Mu)
Posted by: Chris M
___________
I like the idea of the red states being called the Republic of Math.
Posted by: Furious George at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (77i7V)
Incidentally, I've read a report that the State Department has frozen the funds Obama sent to the palestinians when he left office, but its not from a major news source, so who knows how accurate.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/223833
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (39g3+)
This is a retarded notion.
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (xd0pN)
I wonder if he remembers that post these days. Probably not.
Posted by: They Can't Have My French Fries at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (Kt6yq)
Posted by: steevy at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (r/0kC)
Unfortunately, this includes people. That's why we stuff like religion and ethics and tradition and law and Cobs and the like exist - - to control the innate assholeishnes of the common human.
Posted by: filbert
Difference being, I admit to being full of shit.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (E9ede)
Posted by: shibumi, on the Trump Train at Station One at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (J5mC3)
Her Grand Excellency Nancy Pelosi, Dowager Duchess of SF, would be awfully annoyed at having to do things like pay for SF's new subway line out of local funds.
Rather, the rest of you are paying for it.
That subway line is going to be the costliest piece of subterranean public works on the planet. The *list* price is over a billion dollars a mile, but California infrastructure never comes in anywhere near budget, even easy projects, and this one is technically difficult. It'll be more like $2.5B/mile.
Studies before approval showed that it would be cheaper overall to take every member of the public in the projected subway ridership and instead give them their own private luxury limousine ride for free.
But... pork! The pork must flow! So Pelosi rammed through this nonsensical subway crap when she was Speaker, and even after she lost the gavel, her ostensibly Republican successors in that job, Agent Orange Boehner and Lyin' Ryan, did nothing to claw back the funding and cancel the boondoggle.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (noWW6)
I was reading that thing from the ONT post yesterday, and it struck me how uniform all the progs are since the election in saying that "suddenly, I was afraid my neighbors would rape/murder/arson me".
Apply the truism that everything progs say is projection and you end up at "they were planning anti-conservative Kristallnatchts for after Hillary won". Brrrrr.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (3J/LN)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (4ErVI)
The Left wants everyone under their heel, to the point of something trivial like forcing a bakery to make a cake for a gay wedding.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:15 PM (RYUuq)
Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at January 25, 2017 12:15 PM (RD7QR)
But please let So Cal stay in the U.S. either as its own state or as part of Arizona. The Northern region already calls itself the State of Jefferson. Let that stand, and let the Central Eastern section of the state...also very different from the crazies of the coast become part of Jefferson or Nevada.
Posted by: WisdomLover at January 25, 2017 12:15 PM (jzK1p)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2017 12:15 PM (cBMbF)
Sadly, the idea of the Constitution as inherently racist came from the the abolitionists as well. I was surprised how many didn't believe that blacks and whites could *ever* live together peacefully and were big fans of places like Haiti and Liberia as teh answer.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 25, 2017 12:12 PM (sEDyY)
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The first serious push in the history of the Union was in New England in response to the trade embargo put in place by Madison in the lead up to, and the progression, of the War of 1812.
People who color secession with racism are dumb.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:15 PM (n9gGi)
Cause some anonymous commenter at the HQ isn't going to do it. "
You're poopie! Your breath is stinky! You are a yuck!
Posted by: Some anonymous commentor, at the HQ at January 25, 2017 12:15 PM (kVX3W)
Truth.
Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2017 12:15 PM (TppKb)
Posted by: The People's Republic of Coastland
Yeah, no you won't.
Posted by: robots at January 25, 2017 12:16 PM (NrQPT)
"This house s*cks, let's leave" - Kamala Harris
Posted by: Publius Redux at January 25, 2017 12:16 PM (Fb9aZ)
I wonder if he remembers that post these days. Probably not.
Posted by: They Can't Have My French Fries at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (Kt6yq)
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Maybe he still has it up. You should find it and repost it to his timeline.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:16 PM (n9gGi)
18
I would prefer 'Learn to Swim', by Tool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8vmaj75xzE
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2017 11:58 AM (xd0pN)I would prefer 'California Uber Alles' by the Dead Kennedys
http://tinyurl.com/ptg4rps
Posted by: kathysayso at January 25, 2017 12:16 PM (43OZ6)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2017 12:16 PM (cBMbF)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 25, 2017 12:16 PM (2x9LM)
And the vastly reduced number of military bases are almost all located in the American part - SD County, and some non-urban areas.
CA financing its immense welfare caseload - sure to only increase if it separated - will also require some extreme and destructive fiscal shenanigans.
The state is "unsustainable" and a very expensive place to live, even with a handful of wealthy people paying most of the taxes. Supporting the welfare cases and vastly over-paid govt. workers (incl. police and fire) - who are the substitute for a real economically viable middle class in the new CA - will become interesting.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2017 12:16 PM (QDnY+)
.
.
.The rest of the lower "45" would lose our access to the Pacific if all three States left.
Posted by: Lizard People at January 25, 2017 12:01 PM (le7jz)
Yes, that would be absolutely horrible.
No beachfront left in the US. What a shame.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at January 25, 2017 12:17 PM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: Bigbys other phone at January 25, 2017 12:17 PM (DvqdW)
Cause some anonymous commenter at the HQ isn't going to do it. "
You're poopie! Your breath is stinky! You are a yuck!
Posted by: Some anonymous commentor, at the HQ at January 25, 2017 12:15 PM (kVX3W)
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I'm going to go cry now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:17 PM (n9gGi)
Bastards better not leave me behind.
Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2017 12:17 PM (TppKb)
Redistricting and "jungle primaries" have neutered them.
Two political innovations which trace back to the era of Ahnuld der Schtuppenfuhrer, the weed-and-steroid-addled plastic android from Hollyweird, amicably married into the Kennedy clan, who somehow convinced the public that he was a Republican.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2017 12:17 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2017 12:10 PM (hecJ2)
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No. The US Constitution is just fine. We just need to get back to those basics, which includes repealing some of the amendments that have grown the fed.
Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2017 12:17 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at January 25, 2017 12:17 PM (toH8T)
People who color secession with racism are dumb.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:15 PM (n9gGi)
See, you're just a racist/bigot/hater from SC with revisionist history. The rest of us (known as the winners) know that you only seceded because you wanted to keep owning and using slaves. /sarc
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:17 PM (8hICw)
Only issue that makes me hesitant is what our global opponents have up their sleeve to take advantage of it. I know a lot of people hate us being world cops but it has kept the world more stable than not. Taking that away will have consequences. Right now though I'm willing to chance it.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2017 12:17 PM (cQd8v)
Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2017 12:18 PM (yfObW)
But, you keep every asshole in Houston and Austin.
Posted by: garrett
__________________
No matter who's in Austin, Bob Wills is still the king.
Posted by: Waylon Jennings at January 25, 2017 12:18 PM (77i7V)
... The same way a mother lets a wild child run away for a night. After the whole plan goes to shit and the kid is begging to be let back in, mom opens the door but with some new rules.
Posted by: ElKomandante at January 25, 2017 12:18 PM (uPhhv)
https://youtu.be/CU3mc0yvRNk
The archtype of what alt rock is supposed to be.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 25, 2017 12:18 PM (VdICR)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2017 12:16 PM (cBMbF)
I've just received a communication from Field Marshall Mattis that California has fallen. Tremendous effort. Tremendous. We're gonna clean it up, folks, ok? We are going to clean up California and give it back to the people.
Posted by: President Donald Trump at January 25, 2017 12:18 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Lex Luthor, still schemin. at January 25, 2017 12:19 PM (kVX3W)
Posted by: President Donald Trump at January 25, 2017 12:18 PM (4ErVI)
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LOL.
You captured his voice quite well. Bravo.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:19 PM (n9gGi)
Posted by: Some random moron at January 25, 2017 12:19 PM (u82oZ)
You could get one-third support in a poll of CA residents that aliens routinely visit Earth.
Truth.
Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2017 12:15 PM (TppKb)
______________________________________________
I'm not saying that California should secede because of aliens . . . but . . .
California should secede because of aliens
Posted by: That History Channel Aliens Guy at January 25, 2017 12:19 PM (Fb9aZ)
Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at January 25, 2017 12:15 PM (RD7QR)
In the Constitution, if I recall correctly, the threshold for consideration as a State is 60,000 residents. So any contiguous group of counties that can muster 60,000 would be allowed to apply for statehood.
Existing counties, of course, will not be allowed to split into smaller units. This is only fair, I think.
Let's Right-Size California!
Posted by: filbert at January 25, 2017 12:19 PM (s5o+q)
Think about this.
In Idependent Country of Commi California granting miltary Base rights to, oh say, Russia, China, or any other bad actors.
Posted by: WisRich at January 25, 2017 12:19 PM (hdpay)
I like the idea of the red states being called the Republic of Math.
Posted by: Furious George
Every time I see a blue vs red spat on the internet a blue stater will invariably pop up and say the blue states support the red ones.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 25, 2017 12:19 PM (IqV8l)
Posted by: Dr Alice at January 25, 2017 12:20 PM (LaT54)
Posted by: ElKomandante at January 25, 2017 12:18 PM (uPhhv)
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Wait... wut??? My Mom never let me back in.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 25, 2017 12:20 PM (8XRCm)
Could Cali survive without water from neighboring states?
Posted by: Benji Carver at January 25, 2017 12:03 PM (OD2ni)
NorCal
has plenty of water, or would if the Feds let them use it. SoCal gets a
good deal of its water from NorCal (the California Aqueduct), as well
as a significant amount from the Colorado River (which forms
California's border with Arizona). So, basically yes.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 25, 2017 12:10 PM (2NLtQ)
That right there is the answer to our military base problem. Like water? Good cause we like access to our military bases. Deny us access, we divert the Colorado River. EBOD.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 25, 2017 12:20 PM (jxbfJ)
Seems pretty farcical to me -- at least so far.
Posted by: TOF at January 25, 2017 12:20 PM (JYIJZ)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 25, 2017 12:20 PM (8XRCm)
This explains much...
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:20 PM (8hICw)
Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at January 25, 2017 12:20 PM (cfjq1)
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2017 12:14 PM (xd0pN)
Apparently it was a big object of contention between the different groups. The secessionist abolitionists were sure that the Constitution couldn't be fixed. Frederick Douglass wrote about it in his auto biography.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 25, 2017 12:21 PM (sEDyY)
They've thought way for decades.
Posted by: navybrat at January 25, 2017 12:21 PM (w7KSn)
I don't really see any downside for us here.
Posted by: The history channel dude with the hair at January 25, 2017 12:21 PM (KUaJL)
But if they were a country, they'd need a military. And I don't think the First Barista Battalion would be a match for Mexico, Russia, Canada, or East St. Louis...
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 25, 2017 12:21 PM (VBsFV)
Army of the Horde, California Division.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 12:21 PM (Qd/25)
Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at January 25, 2017 12:21 PM (toH8T)
good deal of its water from NorCal (the California Aqueduct), as well
as a significant amount from the Colorado River (which forms
California's border with Arizona). So, basically yes
There would be no water on that Border if it were not for Water Compacts, which would become null and void in the case of a secession.
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2017 12:22 PM (xd0pN)
Proof positive that lefties are economic illiterates.
Top tax rate in California is just over 13%.
How high will the dunderheads will have to raise taxes and squeeze the taxpayer to pay for free shit and unfunded liabilities?
Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2017 12:22 PM (yfObW)
That's what I thought is that California would fall under the spell of the Chinese very quickly.
The Chinese have been buying up real estate on the West Coast quite steadily.
The California budget is a disaster and would get immediately worse upon leaving.
They'll need hard money any way they can get it.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 25, 2017 12:22 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 25, 2017 12:22 PM (/SVy/)
federal vote, their own local laws and no foreign policy or military."
===
SJW Reservations. I like it.
Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at January 25, 2017 12:22 PM (toH8T)
Posted by: Moron Robbie at January 25, 2017 12:23 PM (Halhc)
^
I'd watch it! I also like the idea of busting up Cali into a few different states
Posted by: JoshO at January 25, 2017 12:23 PM (34zfN)
Posted by: V the K at January 25, 2017 12:23 PM (O7MnT)
2. If they want to go. Bye. I look forward to the next 50 years of republican hegemony in the US followed by a hat in hand CA returning to the fold as a territory.
Posted by: bskb at January 25, 2017 12:23 PM (f0rB2)
The only argument I see for large nation-states is the ability to fend off budding empires militarily.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at January 25, 2017 12:23 PM (xeeHA)
Every time they float this, I think: Hey, how about a compromise in which the federal government has just a few well-defined responsibilities and then the states can run themselves pretty much as they see fit, as long as they don't rescind any federally guaranteed rights?
Gosh, if only there were some sort of document outlining how that might work....
The deal breaker for progs is that they don't want that, they want the right to rule over the rest of us, or they're leaving. Which is exactly why they won't.
Posted by: JPS at January 25, 2017 12:24 PM (tfaP1)
Posted by: josephistan at January 25, 2017 12:24 PM (7HtZB)
To protect themselves from Mexico, they would need to build a wall.
Heh.
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 25, 2017 12:24 PM (VBsFV)
Economics is called the dismal science but really history and politics have a better claim.
Posted by: whig at January 25, 2017 12:24 PM (R15Tp)
Posted by: River Commander
They have an entire ocean in their back yard. That's their water. They don't need ours.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at January 25, 2017 12:24 PM (Jcg9Q)
If the Red State/Blue State divide holds from the last election and the Rust Belt starts voting like the South does, my guess is you will see real secession movements as the Dems will be locked out of the WH.
I'm not there yet, but it could be a long term trend that places like Wisconsin, Michigan, PA etc are now red leaning states. Sort of like how the South used to be solidly democrat but flipped in a big way after Reagan.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:24 PM (RYUuq)
Posted by: dagny at January 25, 2017 12:24 PM (RiIhf)
There's actually a satirical coffee table art book about the future civil war between NorCal and SoCal.
_In Smog and Thunder: Historical Works from the Great War of the Californias_.
In looking it up, I realized that someone has taken the book and made a movie mockumentary on the subject, but I've never seen that myself.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2017 12:24 PM (noWW6)
Only because the South wanted slaves considered people as well as property.
The solution to which was artfully employed by Hamilton.
Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2017 12:24 PM (xd0pN)
1. Scandinavian style tax rates.
2. Plush welfare benefits.
3. Strict "Green" Laws.
4. Open immigration/Immediate citizenship upon residency.
5. Complete ban on the private ownership of firearms.
Posted by: V the K
After six months it will be like The Walking Dead after two years.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at January 25, 2017 12:24 PM (iWW0H)
Posted by: Moron Robbie at January 25, 2017 12:25 PM (Halhc)
believe that California was stolen, and the whole state rightly should
be Mexico.
They've thought way for decades.
Posted by: navybrat at January 25, 2017 12:21 PM (w7KSn)
Which is funny because in 1846, Californios of Spanish and native heritage resented Mexican rule (Santa Ana was a genuine tyrant) and considered themselves "Californios", not "Mexicans".
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 25, 2017 12:25 PM (2NLtQ)
Posted by: The history channel dude with the hair at January 25, 2017 12:25 PM (KUaJL)
Every time they float this, I think: Hey, how about a compromise in which the federal government has just a few well-defined responsibilities and then the states can run themselves pretty much as they see fit, as long as they don't rescind any federally guaranteed rights?
Gosh, if only there were some sort of document outlining how that might work....
The deal breaker for progs is that they don't want that, they want the right to rule over the rest of us, or they're leaving. Which is exactly why they won't.
Posted by: JPS at January 25, 2017 12:24 PM (tfaP1)
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I'll believe they want that when they help getting a constitutional amendment off the ground that limits the power of the federal government in general, and the executive branch in particular.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:25 PM (n9gGi)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 25, 2017 12:25 PM (SIY7D)
Because they count every federal dollar. Military bases included.
They couldn't hang if it was just the social services outlays.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2017 12:25 PM (E9ede)
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 11:59 AM (RYUuq)
It's not like we were using those 55 electoral votes anyway.
Posted by: rickl at January 25, 2017 12:26 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: dagny at January 25, 2017 12:26 PM (RiIhf)
We need to make a rule, if you secede then no chance of US citizenship ever.
THIS
Enjoy being part of Mexico or Russia, because no way can they defend themselves from being taken over.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 25, 2017 12:26 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: ThePatriot at January 25, 2017 12:26 PM (p98p+)
The rest of us would be free of CARB regulations on our vehicles...
Posted by: Moron Robbie at January 25, 2017 12:27 PM (Halhc)
If California goes, can we turn Détroit over to the Canadians? Maybe the French will take it back?
Posted by: Curious Harvey at January 25, 2017 12:27 PM (s6lXh)
It won't take much cash for Spear Point to buy a controlling stake in Salon. The 22-year-old digital publishing enterprise, which has been plagued by high-level turnover on the executive and editorial side - as well as declining revenue - has a market capitalization of only $6.1 million and a stock price of 8 cents a share.
http://nypost.com/2017/01/24/salon-stake-may-be-sold-to-activist-chasing-thestreet/
At its IPO in 1999, its stock was $10.50 a share with a market cap of $105 million.
LOLOLOLOL.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 25, 2017 12:27 PM (wtvvX)
Historians record that the CA Moron Horde was late to the battlefield in its first major engagement. A bitter internal disagreement over longbows versus crossbows is hypothesized to have been the cause.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2017 12:27 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: dagny at January 25, 2017 12:27 PM (RiIhf)
Posted by: deplorable donna at January 25, 2017 12:28 PM (O2RFr)
The rest of us would be free of CARB regulations on our vehicles...
Posted by: Moron Robbie at January 25, 2017 12:27 PM (Halhc)
Almonds, too. There's a fun yarn to spin about how they grow one of the most water intensive crops in the middle of a desert...
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:28 PM (8hICw)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 25, 2017 12:28 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: concrete girl at January 25, 2017 12:28 PM (Fo47B)
Posted by: An Observation at January 25, 2017 12:06 PM (AQG9N)
That's it. *fapfapfapfapfapfapfap*
Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at January 25, 2017 12:28 PM (Pd7Sl)
There's already a war going on over CA, but it's political and will increasingly become fiscal.
--
Governor Idiot Moonbeam just made a TWO BILLION DOLLAR mistake on the budget.
/so, it's not how many years they'd last on their own, I'm thinking how many months.
Posted by: shibumi, on the Trump Train at Station One at January 25, 2017 12:28 PM (J5mC3)
Posted by: Brisco_County at January 25, 2017 12:29 PM (fmr8p)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 25, 2017 12:29 PM (IqV8l)
Given how things have worked out, I rather doubt India would now accept the same deal.
Posted by: pep at January 25, 2017 12:29 PM (NrQPT)
Because they count every federal dollar. Military bases included.
They couldn't hang if it was just the social services outlays.
Posted by: rickb223
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This is a real article of faith among liberals, part of me thinks we shouldn't pop their bubble so they will go through with secession.
Also, I would love to overlay the "aid" red states get with demographic groups.
It's the solid blue parts of places like Mississippi that get all the food stamps, welfare, federal housing etc
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:29 PM (RYUuq)
Finding out from Democracy in America that the first shots of the Civil War had been fired in the 1830s was a real eye opener. Gave a new perspective on just how long a semi-warm state of war can carry on.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 25, 2017 12:29 PM (sEDyY)
A lot less than they used to thanks to the delta smelt.
VDH has written about the plentiful CA farmlands, which the state is doing it's darndest to destroy, right?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 25, 2017 12:29 PM (NOIQH)
Lefties like to brag that California is the sixth largest economy in the world.
How long do think that will last once they have total control?
Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2017 12:29 PM (yfObW)
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Why???
Why would one even think to stay??
Or even visit??
Posted by: fixerupper at January 25, 2017 12:29 PM (8XRCm)
/so, it's not how many years they'd last on their own, I'm thinking how many months.
Posted by: shibumi, on the Trump Train at Station One at January 25, 2017 12:28 PM (J5mC3)
"What do you mean 9 zeroes? I SWEAR I only counted 6!!!"
~ Gov Moonbeam
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:30 PM (8hICw)
1. Scandinavian style tax rates.
2. Plush welfare benefits.
3. Strict "Green" Laws.
4. Open immigration/Immediate citizenship upon residency.
5. Complete ban on the private ownership of firearms.
Posted by: V the K
6. Mexican narco types running the south and Chinese stooges running the north.
7. Walled cities and the rest Mad Max territory. (Until the Big One, after which it's all wastelands.)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at January 25, 2017 12:30 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 12:30 PM (Qd/25)
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (lYVgr)
Posted by: IC at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (a0IVu)
They've thought way for decades."
Pfffft. Right.
Posted by: Zombie Aztec Nation at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (kVX3W)
Posted by: Algore at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (B+qrE)
Then, they elected that pervy Filner guy and went blue last election.
Posted by: V the K at January 25, 2017 12:13 PM (O7MnT)
It's still conservative at least byCa standards.The local economy still depends on the defense industry and the large military presence for the lions share of its revenue
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (lKyWE)
So, if CA goes through with their silliness and they do secede, who keeps the federal land?
Would President Trump start a civil war to keep the union together?
Would the Californicators call it the War of Eastern Aggression?
Posted by: Tucker Carlson's Book of Untruths at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (8xRW9)
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:28 PM (8hICw)
Almonds are grown in the Central Valley, not the Mojave Desert. The latter is an actual desert, the former is not.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (2NLtQ)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (Qd/25)
How about a Bigfoot thread?
Posted by: Mathers at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (3myMJ)
The guy who started it based it on the benefits of competition.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (cQd8v)
Posted by: Every SJW at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (77i7V)
They've thought way for decades."
Pfffft. Right.
Posted by: Zombie Aztec Nation at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (kVX3W)
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Treaties are apparently illegal now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at January 25, 2017 12:32 PM (n9gGi)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 25, 2017 12:28 PM (NOIQH)
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Its becomes the 1st Circuit Court of the Reconstituted Confederated States of the Unicorn Republic.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 25, 2017 12:32 PM (8XRCm)
Rarry, Moe & Curry?
Posted by: Algore at January 25, 2017 12:32 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: peurto rico at January 25, 2017 12:32 PM (lJXY3)
Posted by: Mega at January 25, 2017 12:33 PM (VIiRP)
Posted by: josephistan at January 25, 2017 12:33 PM (7HtZB)
If you look at the list here, you'll see why they want that.
http://tinyurl.com/j2nn6yd
Far and away, the most expensive single infrastructure project in the USA right now is Commiefornia's high speed fail.
And the second most expensive is also in CA, the "Bay Delta Conservation Plan Tunnels" for water, which of course are not about conservation at all, but about using public money to get NorCal water diverted south for the private profit of SoCal real estate developers.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2017 12:33 PM (noWW6)
"Enough with the principled 'conservatism'. We need the White House in 2168! The next president will get to replace RBG on the Court."
(In the year twooo-thoooousaaaand!)
Posted by: mikeski at January 25, 2017 12:33 PM (TXZ1v)
Posted by: @votermom @vm at January 25, 2017 12:33 PM (Om16U)
Conquered. That's a different thing from stolen. Just sayin'....
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (B+qrE)
............
Uh, crazy politicians?
Liberal nutjobs moving to your state?
Crappy movies?
Mexican gangs?
hmm... good question.
Oh wait, I got it! Taco trucks! What, you already have taco trucks? OK, forget it.
Posted by: wth at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Lizzy
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Speaking of that, Republicans really should have the balls to expand more circuit courts, the 9th Circuit covers WAY too many people and is an absolute embarrassment.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (RYUuq)
246 China buys up land around the globe, as long as it is food productive - to feed themselves. SoCal is a dessert without the Colorado river. Chinese go bye bye.
Posted by: ThePatriot at January 25, 2017 12:26 PM (p98p+)
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Which brings up another thing Trump should address immediately: Turn the water back on for CA farmers.
Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (E+fcv)
Posted by: torquewrench
You know damn well the dispute was over whether small arms would be issued in 9mm or .45 ACP...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (9krrF)
Lefties like to brag that California is the sixth largest economy in the world. How long do think that will last once they have total control?
Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2017 12:29 PM (yfObW)
Not long once they have to negotiate trade deals with the U.S.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: peurto rico at January 25, 2017 12:32 PM (lJXY3)
Can Trump unilaterally declare Puerto Rican independence?
Posted by: josephistan at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: jrcobbstr at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (YUVbX)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (Qd/25)
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (RYUuq)
On the contrary, they should remove ALL the federal courts and let the state courts decide things.
The only constitutionally mandated federal court is the SCOTUS
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:35 PM (8hICw)
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic
Ahem.
PRESIDENT/VICE PRESIDENT
CLINTON/KAINE -DEM 204,587
TRUMP/PENCE -RAI 142,301
JOHNSON/WELD -LIB 12,048
STEIN/BARAKA -GRN 4,065
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 25, 2017 12:35 PM (xpfRn)
Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2017 12:35 PM (2RVmA)
Posted by: Lizzy
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The judge, by the way, was the King, and as he wore his crown over the wig, he did not look at all comfortable, and it was certainly not becoming.
Posted by: Lewis Carroll at January 25, 2017 12:35 PM (NBHj5)
Posted by: pep at January 25, 2017 12:36 PM (NrQPT)
Posted by: Roscoe at January 25, 2017 12:36 PM (UqeeU)
Mother figure (who looks like Hillary) will save the rest of the US,
which is now essentially a post apocalyptic wasteland run by someone who
looks like Donald Trump.
==
President of the Nation of California Hillary Clinton
" And Social Justice For All "
Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at January 25, 2017 12:36 PM (toH8T)
Might be changing soon, but yeah its way too big an area with too many folks.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2017 12:36 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (Fmupd)
Most of the Horde would rather he didn't, by all appearances.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 25, 2017 12:36 PM (2NLtQ)
Posted by: Matticus at January 25, 2017 12:36 PM (p/5D/)
This is probably the best analogy of the left's M.O. I've ever seen. Bravo!
Posted by: kallisto at January 25, 2017 12:36 PM (kD8Fh)
I suspect Prop 13 is going to go bye-bye; we are too much in the hole financially and businesses are leaving the state, as are middle class Americans (i.e. a shrinking tax base)..
Posted by: IC at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (a0IVu)
WE NEED MOAR TAXES TO SOLVE ALL OUR PROBLEMS
Posted by: Jerry Brown at January 25, 2017 12:36 PM (yfObW)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 25, 2017 12:36 PM (NOIQH)
which is now essentially a post apocalyptic wasteland run by someone who looks like Donald Trump.
And it will be called "Great Again."
Posted by: V the K at January 25, 2017 12:37 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: General Zod at January 25, 2017 12:37 PM (Bdeb0)
One House member for every for every 35,000 Americans.
Today, each member of the House represents some 700,000 people.
This is the source of our failure
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2017 12:37 PM (hecJ2)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2017 12:37 PM (X7E8f)
Posted by: jrcobbstr
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When AZ passed its SB1070, california lawmakers were trying to ban all commerce with AZ
Turns out we have a power plant here that gives them quite a bit of energy and our Corporation Commissioner brought that up and heads exploded.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:37 PM (RYUuq)
Asshole Charlie Gasparino on FBN said he heard that the anchors on CNBC were *furious* that the Dow passed 20,000 while President Trump is President. Cavuto was like, "Wow."
Then Cavuto said, "What's CNBC?"
Charlie said, "Some studio in NJ purporting to report on things in NY."
I LOLed.
He's a bit of a dick New Yorker, but I sort of like him.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2017 12:37 PM (8iiMU)
Wonder what their defense budget would look like?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 12:37 PM (lKyWE)
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2017/01/23/surviving-the-cult/
Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2017 12:37 PM (X7E8f)
Posted by: Evan McMuffin at January 25, 2017 12:37 PM (lJXY3)
Posted by: Anna Puma
I'm not saying I've gamed out mounting twin .50s on the front of the truck and a mortar in the back bed, but...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at January 25, 2017 12:38 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 25, 2017 12:20 PM (8XRCm)
This explains much...
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:20 PM (8hICw)
It really does.
Posted by: Oedipus Rex at January 25, 2017 12:38 PM (0mRoj)
I'd like to see Pres. Trump, if asked about succession, just quote how much federal money they get and say that he is open to discussing different strategies to lower it.
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 25, 2017 12:38 PM (VBsFV)
Posted by: Mega at January 25, 2017 12:38 PM (VIiRP)
His campaign summarized the 100 day plan here: http://tinyurl.com/znrh2pb
A lot of items have already been checked off.
Are you not entertained!
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 25, 2017 12:38 PM (SIY7D)
Subsequent presidents before the Civil War, aside from James K. Polk, either died prematurely in office, or were one term mediocrities that did little to stop the move toward a civil war. Congress was similarly paralyzed with the feeble Compromise of 1850 and the Kansas-Nebraska acts simply fueling the fire. Dred Scott probably sealed the deal because it promoted Lincoln and the Republicans to prominence.
Posted by: whig at January 25, 2017 12:38 PM (R15Tp)
Posted by: Brother Cavil
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Yeah. That, and the additional dust-up over Glock vs. Sig. It was ugly.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 25, 2017 12:39 PM (NBHj5)
The delta smelt. No water, power. Say hello to the ChiComs.
Posted by: Fritz at January 25, 2017 12:39 PM (2Mnv1)
I live on the central coast.
If that actually did happen I would leave the state.
I would miss the ocean but get out now before California becomes a third world shithole.
Posted by: Jerry Brown at January 25, 2017 12:39 PM (yfObW)
That is perfectly put, if overly charitable. We want to be left alone. They want to force us to be exposed to their perverse new mores in schools and tv, force us to live amongst criminals and terrorists, take from us, hobble our businesses with stupid regulations, let men in women's lavatories, make Christian businesses participate in ceremonies that violate their conscience, punish and censor us at will, pay for their promiscuity. And if we try to give any bit of pushback or even discuss the matter, they shriek about us being Hitler.
I for one wish to release them from the camps so they can gambol in their own Venezuela-esque, North Korea-esque utopia.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 25, 2017 12:39 PM (PjWy4)
I'm sure Coloradans would be happy to take their share!
Posted by: Lizzy at January 25, 2017 12:36 PM (NOIQH)
I'd like to know the origin of the idea that California gets all of its water from Colorado (or other states). Anyone know?
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 25, 2017 12:39 PM (2NLtQ)
Posted by: Sponge at January 25, 2017 12:40 PM (xttKs)
Posted by: SOMESASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at January 25, 2017 12:40 PM (nQHw/)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 12:40 PM (Qd/25)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 25, 2017 12:40 PM (B+qrE)
Wonder what their defense budget would look like?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 12:37 PM (lKyWE)
$1.5 billion on drum circles & jam bands
Posted by: josephistan at January 25, 2017 12:40 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: SOMESASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at January 25, 2017 12:40 PM (nQHw/)
It'd be 1 wall, it would just turn north at the former CA/AZ border.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:40 PM (8hICw)
It would just be a matter of time before we went to war over water. As pretty much all of history has proven will happen.
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Will that be before or after feminism ushers in the rule of Islam?
Posted by: shibumi, on the Trump Train at Station One at January 25, 2017 12:41 PM (J5mC3)
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If they seceded, how would they make money?
What would be their chief export ? Celebrities?
The Imperial Valley can only sell so much salad.
Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at January 25, 2017 12:41 PM (toH8T)
Otherwise you cut yourself off from half the worlds trade.
Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at January 25, 2017 12:41 PM (qf6WZ)
They could even draft an agreement to ensure this newly created government doesn't get out of hand. I don't know what you'd call such a thing, however.
Posted by: MMW at January 25, 2017 12:41 PM (kfV3n)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 25, 2017 12:42 PM (NBHj5)
He has a video on how he got a traffic ticket and how the government gives a kickback to the person that turned you in by taking a picture of what you did, so you have people driving super slow and snapping pictures of each car that used the emergency lane to pass them and bang you make a thousand dollars in US currency.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at January 25, 2017 12:42 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 12:42 PM (Qd/25)
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at January 25, 2017 12:42 PM (DW+jj)
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Colt
1911
45 ACP
There aint any dustup about Kraut guns.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 25, 2017 12:42 PM (8XRCm)
First Trump, then Tim Scott and now Ted Cruz. Old white dudes for the win.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2017 12:43 PM (/tuJf)
They've been leaving already, but this would create an enormous outflow of revenue.
I don't think they can swing it.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 25, 2017 12:43 PM (4ErVI)
The Technology sector is whats keep Ca afloat'would they stay if it is no longer part of the U.S.?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 12:43 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Toad-O at January 25, 2017 12:43 PM (cct0t)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 12:43 PM (Qd/25)
A lot of items have already been checked off.
Are you not entertained!
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LOL.
Totally shifting the paradigm.
In the future, people will look back and say "but Trump got things done right away, why can't your Mr/Ms/Xe/Other President?"
Businessman as President= 1
Politician as President= 0
Posted by: shibumi, on the Trump Train at Station One at January 25, 2017 12:43 PM (J5mC3)
Think about this.
In Idependent Country of Commi California granting miltary Base rights to, oh say, Russia, China, or any other bad actors.
Posted by: WisRich at January 25, 2017 12:19 PM (hdpay)
Like Canada and Mexico do, right?
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at January 25, 2017 12:43 PM (Jcg9Q)
The question is, if the South leaves, who is going to join the Northern Army?
http://tinyurl.com/hcyw9hv
Posted by: Pat at January 25, 2017 12:43 PM (Lat75)
Posted by: Spiny Norman
Probably because better than half the urban and irrigation water supply comes from the Colorado River which, get this, originates in Colorado (shockah!)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at January 25, 2017 12:44 PM (9krrF)
That's been done.
http://tinyurl.com/jc65xlo
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 25, 2017 12:44 PM (B+qrE)
Posted by: HK at January 25, 2017 12:44 PM (NBHj5)
Posted by: Moron Robbie at January 25, 2017 12:44 PM (Halhc)
Politician as President= 0
As someone described it yesterday: Trump is acting like America's CEO.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 25, 2017 12:44 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at January 25, 2017 12:44 PM (9krrF)
Letting them pick which people isn't helping either.
Or making those people pay for their Reps offices.
Posted by: DaveA at January 25, 2017 12:44 PM (8J/Te)
Sorry folks... but unless you dig a new canal through Panama.. you need the Calif Ports.
Otherwise you cut yourself off from half the worlds trade.
Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at January 25, 2017 12:41 PM (qf6WZ)
I believe most people are unaware that there are major seaports in CA, or anywhere on the West coast.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 25, 2017 12:45 PM (2NLtQ)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at January 25, 2017 12:44 PM (9krrF)
There are reasons why aqueducts are being built into the mountains from LA
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:45 PM (8hICw)
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity woman extraordinary) at January 25, 2017 12:45 PM (yTnCT)
Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (Fmupd)
Most of the Horde would rather he didn't, by all appearances.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 25, 2017 12:36 PM (2NLtQ)
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California would have plenty of water if they:
A) Charged market rates for it based on supply and demand.
B) Canceled their idiot train and built some nuclear power plants and desalinization plants.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at January 25, 2017 12:45 PM (xeeHA)
They are FIXATED on bitching about crowd sizes, Trump tweets, and now have their panties in a twist about Trump's belief about voter fraud.
I think it is brilliant.
Teh Donald can yank their chains effortlessly.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2017 12:45 PM (8iiMU)
And eventually the Left will get their hands on that as it's a HUGE amount of money that most every other state doesn't have this embargo where property taxes are frozen.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:45 PM (RYUuq)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 25, 2017 12:46 PM (E+fcv)
irrigation water supply comes from the Colorado River which, get this,
originates in Colorado (shockah!)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at January 25, 2017 12:44 PM (9krrF)
Even in Central and Northern California? Why do people believe this???
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 25, 2017 12:46 PM (2NLtQ)
Then send Mad Dog on a mission to burn everything from Lake Tahoe to the bay.
Posted by: Geraldine Ferraro at January 25, 2017 12:46 PM (Yx9SN)
One House member for every for every 35,000 Americans.
Today, each member of the House represents some 700,000 people.
This is the source of our failure"
You could not be any more correct, RoyalOil. Each doltish criminal member of the house crime syndicate has a personal fief filled with about 700k serfs. Yeah, that's great...
I don't think there is any language in the constitution laying out how many congress members there should be or must be.
Also, if I remember my research, the number of house members froze right about the time the Rs and Ds became the two dominant political parties in the US.
Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk - slip slidin' away at January 25, 2017 12:46 PM (kVX3W)
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Just missed you on the ONT last night.
Is there a single fairly definitive book re the Consolidated Catalina and it's role in WWII?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 25, 2017 12:46 PM (NBHj5)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 12:46 PM (Qd/25)
It'll never be allowed to happen, and the people who would make war inevitable would be east coast democrats. No Democrat would win national office were it not for Cali, so there's a lot at stake for the leftists left behind..
Not gonna happen.
Me personally, I wouldn't fight to keep them. I'd wish them good luck, hope we can make good neighborly relations like we do with Canada, and that's it.
PS but not really. If we were still working with the original constitution and not todays bastardized one, each state would be their own laboratory of democracy anyway, and this wouldn't be an issue. The idea of federalizing so much social policy was liberal to begin with, forcing one morality on the several distinct regions of the US. Perhaps those idiots who recently "took the oath" will actually study a little of that constitution and work with us to bring back states rights.
Nah.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 25, 2017 12:46 PM (z79tQ)
Granting? I would imagine that numerous countries would invade California because of it's strategic proximity to the US.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 25, 2017 12:46 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Lord Sir x at January 25, 2017 12:47 PM (nFwvY)
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The Obamstitution?
Posted by: Mega at January 25, 2017 12:47 PM (VIiRP)
And eventually the Left will get their hands on that as it's a HUGE amount of money that most every other state doesn't have this embargo where property taxes are frozen.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:45 PM (RYUuq)
Yeah, a clause about budgets not exceeding 1.0x amount of property taxes should have been included. Instead of
"we're voting to fund all this stuff!"
"With what money?"
"Doesn't matter!!!!"
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:47 PM (8hICw)
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity woman extraordinary) at January 25, 2017 12:45 PM (yTnCT)
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The lefties are gonna lose their shit.
Again.
Until tomprrows Presidential action.
The the lefties are gonna lose their shit.
Again.
Repeat daily for 8 years.
Still.not.tired.of.winning.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 25, 2017 12:47 PM (8XRCm)
They are FIXATED on bitching about crowd sizes, Trump tweets, and now have their panties in a twist about Trump's belief about voter fraud.
I think it is brilliant.
Teh Donald can yank their chains effortlessly.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2017 12:45 PM (8iiMU)
Why it's almost like he herded cats for a living for 50 years or sumpin...
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (kXoT0)
So the lawns would be mowed and the sponsors' cars would be immaculately clean and functional?
Posted by: Robert Crawford at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (+Qb2V)
Which brings up another thing Trump should address immediately: Turn the water back on for CA farmers.
Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (Fmupd)
Its already back on, we are at 200% of normal snowpack...
We are actually releasing water from dams and flooding places to replenish the water table...
There are a FEW (very few) sane people left here...
Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (qf6WZ)
Ahem.
*points at Colt Python*
Posted by: Circa
****
I have never been into antique firearms.
Posted by: Ned Kelly at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: HowardDevore at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (VFmOg)
I am sure Eastern Oregon and Eastern Washington will petition to become a territory of the US. Followed by immediate statehood.
Or will beg to be annexed to Idaho.
"Please let us join, please! Have mercy! We will build shrines to potatoes!"
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (FtrY1)
Posted by: Jerry Brown at January 25, 2017 12:36 PM (yfObW)
As far as Jerry Brown is concerned, that is the panacea to all ills.
Posted by: IC at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (a7n7B)
I'd like to know the origin of the idea that California gets all of its water from Colorado (or other states). Anyone know? Posted by: Spiny Norman
The Serria Nevada snow pack provides Ca with much of it's water supply.The problem is the snow pack has been far below its average for the last ten years.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (lKyWE)
Wonder what their defense budget would look like?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 12:37 PM (lKyWE)
$1.5 billion on drum circles & jam bands
Posted by: josephistan at January 25, 2017 12:40 PM (7HtZB)
They need to remember that I don't come cheap.
Posted by: James Taylor at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (Fmupd)
They are FIXATED on bitching about crowd sizes, Trump tweets, and now have their panties in a twist about Trump's belief about voter fraud.
I think it is brilliant.
Teh Donald can yank their chains effortlessly.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2017 12:45 PM (8iiMU)
If it's absolute nonsense about the voter fraud, why the huge headlines on the news sites?
I mean it's a win for you guys, right? Trump says there's fraud and does his huge investigation and looks like an idiot when nothing is uncovered.
I think we know what is really going to happen, don't we?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (4ErVI)
"I'd like to know the origin of the idea that California gets all of its water from Colorado (or other states)."
http://bit.ly/2k0lhLD
California gets 14% of its water from Colorado.
Posted by: Mathers at January 25, 2017 12:49 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2017 12:49 PM (cQd8v)
Posted by: madamemayhem
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This will be reported as "A war on children and the poor", because school funding and etc.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 25, 2017 12:49 PM (NBHj5)
They are FIXATED on bitching about crowd sizes, Trump tweets, and now have their panties in a twist about Trump's belief about voter fraud.
I think it is brilliant.
Teh Donald can yank their chains effortlessly.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2017 12:45 PM (8iiMU)
Playing them like a fiddle.
All the legislation he is dealing with and not a word reported on it.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 25, 2017 12:49 PM (2x9LM)
Posted by: Spiny Norman
It gets oversimplified (as I inadvertantly did!) and, of course, most people think of southern CA when they think of California, just like most folks are ignorant of the rest of New York state, or think Louisiana is all New Orleans and bayous.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Deplorable Unicode Character at January 25, 2017 12:49 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 25, 2017 12:49 PM (PjWy4)
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at January 25, 2017 12:50 PM (uhftQ)
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No.
Statistics 101.
Even if by "average" you mean median, as opposed to mode or mean, it's not necessarily true.
And in IQ scores it definitely isn't.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 25, 2017 12:50 PM (Nox3c)
1. That Global Warming is the Greatest Threat in the Universe?
2. That pedophilia is totes OK?
3. That gender is defined by your mind, not your body?
4. That UFO's are real and visiting the US on a regular basis?
5. That celebrities should be the leading voice on all topics?
6. That guns kill people; people don't kill people?
If yes, I don't think it would hold up in court.
These people are mentally deranged and consequently their vote is invalid.
Posted by: shibumi, on the Trump Train at Station One at January 25, 2017 12:50 PM (J5mC3)
We are actually releasing water from dams and flooding places to replenish the water table...
There are a FEW (very few) sane people left here...
Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (qf6WZ)
Apparently, that's Nevada's water we're "stealing". >_<
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 25, 2017 12:50 PM (2NLtQ)
I do like California wine...
Not sure Chile, Argentina could keep up with the demand if no Cali.
Posted by: McCool at January 25, 2017 12:50 PM (lWCRE)
Posted by: Geraldine Ferraro at January 25, 2017 12:46 PM (Yx9SN)
California is maybe the most beautiful state in the country, a veritable land of milk and honey. You sure about that?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 25, 2017 12:50 PM (z79tQ)
2. I don't think its a good idea to fan the flames, although you could make the argument that the best way to deal with delusion is to give it a giant dose of reality. California is not a going concern, independent of the Feds. It'll fail, but in failing may fall into the arms of another nation state with cash or a lot of credit to spend. China would like access to this side of the pacific and needs females.
If it did happen, I suspect California as it is shaped right now, would not be the California that succeeded. Parts of California would succeed from California, in other words.
Posted by: simplemind at January 25, 2017 12:50 PM (xVRrG)
They are FIXATED on bitching about crowd sizes, Trump tweets, and now have their panties in a twist about Trump's belief about voter fraud.
I think it is brilliant.
Teh Donald can yank their chains effortlessly.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 25, 2017 12:45 PM (8iiMU)
Why it's almost like he herded cats for a living for 50 years or sumpin...
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (kXoT0)
He's WAY inside their OODA loop...
Observe, Orient, Decide, Act...
He has them spinning in the Orient part of the loop....
Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at January 25, 2017 12:50 PM (qf6WZ)
Posted by: HowardDevore at January 25, 2017 12:48 PM (VFmOg)
That would be another issue that would be addressed. No dual citizenship.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2017 12:50 PM (cQd8v)
No one wants to remain in a Union where they will be dominated by their ideological opponents.
Posted by: Joseph Cass at January 25, 2017 12:51 PM (H1t5z)
Posted by: Al Leppo at January 25, 2017 12:51 PM (8mYHH)
Kurt Schlichter has some good articles (and a pretty decent novel) outlining what a 'California alone' scenario might look like.
Mind you, if WA tries the same shenanigans, I may have to misbehave.
Though...the 'let them go' is an emotional response. There aren't any natural borders that would separate us from them.
Can't we just have a blood-soaked civil war instead? I really think that might be the best long term solution.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 25, 2017 12:51 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at January 25, 2017 12:31 PM (dKiJG)
Getting here early was one of the best decisions I ever made.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at January 25, 2017 12:51 PM (Jcg9Q)
You're all missing the bigger issue. If CA secedes, how will we end the lyrics to Route 66?
Posted by: pep at January 25, 2017 12:36 PM (NrQPT)
They rewrite it as Route 20 : all the way from Boston MA to Newport OR
It will sing the joys of Erie PA, Perrysburg OH, Caspar WY and Idaho Falls ID
Posted by: Kindltot at January 25, 2017 12:51 PM (SJXRn)
Posted by: WisRich at January 25, 2017 12:19 PM (hdpay)
Like Canada and Mexico do, right?
Only to Peruvia because they're our only good source of Peruvian beaver cheese!
Posted by: andycanuck at January 25, 2017 12:52 PM (lJXY3)
Posted by: davis chenault at January 25, 2017 12:52 PM (cF7m9)
Posted by: josephistan at January 25, 2017 12:52 PM (7HtZB)
what's their electoral college percentage? 10% or so I think.
Posted by: DanMan at January 25, 2017 12:52 PM (aZqu2)
Posted by: Mr. McGoose at January 25, 2017 12:53 PM (0dmP2)
No more welfare, unemployment, disability, social security or subsidies for businesses?
Bet that would have made a difference in the results.
Posted by: shibumi, on the Trump Train at Station One at January 25, 2017 12:53 PM (J5mC3)
Posted by: josephistan at January 25, 2017 12:52 PM (7HtZB)
First day, an EO to do away with the Mandate and relieve the burden on states and people to comply.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at January 25, 2017 12:53 PM (kXoT0)
I still remember this quote from a Catalina crew at Midway. They had scrounged some blue painted bullets that were supposed to be great and loaded up the blister machine guns with them. After a near scrape with the Japanese one of the crewmen said "those blue bullets had turned yellow."
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 12:53 PM (Qd/25)
***
How much is the offshore oil worth?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2017 12:53 PM (X7E8f)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at January 25, 2017 11:56 AM (ul9CR)
Beat me to it
I should read comments before commenting myself, I guess.Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 25, 2017 12:54 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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Same thing we said in SC.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 25, 2017 12:54 PM (NBHj5)
Serious question: what does California have that the rest of us would miss?
Some of the horde live there, to start with.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 25, 2017 12:55 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Skunky Choom at January 25, 2017 12:55 PM (u/p7K)
Ahem.
*points at Colt Python*
Posted by: Circa
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I have never been into antique firearms.
.
.
.That plus the fact they are going for ~$1,800 a pop. I would love to buy one but not that much.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at January 25, 2017 12:55 PM (le7jz)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2017 12:50 PM (cQd8v)
Actually, I'd like to see the US Congress address dual citizenship.
The Constitution clearly makes Congress in charge of such matters, yet the Supreme Court in 1967 struck down almost all the Laws forbidding it.
Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at January 25, 2017 12:56 PM (qf6WZ)
"It would just be a matter of time before we went to war over water. As pretty much all of history has proven will happen."
Which is why I choose to command the planet from a central location surrounded by the highest concentration of fresh water in the world.
Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2017 12:56 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 12:57 PM (lKyWE)
TX has one thing which would be a huge aid to immediate national sovereignty: its own more or less independent power grid and generating capacity.
Whereas CA is hugely dependent upon imported electric power from neighboring states, and is becoming more so with each passing year.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2017 12:57 PM (noWW6)
Our new senator Kamala Harris tweeted that infrastructure spending is a human right.
Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2017 12:57 PM (yfObW)
what's their electoral college percentage? 10% or so I think.
Posted by: DanMan
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I would be fine eating that if it was the difference between them leaving or not.
We could fix the US pretty quickly with California no longer in the mix.
Posted by: Maritime at January 25, 2017 12:57 PM (RYUuq)
Alternative....instead of dropping California, why not just LA and San Francisco? In fact, why not just dump the major Urban centers? Other than shipping centers and business centers, what do they really provide?
Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2017 12:57 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 25, 2017 12:57 PM (PjWy4)
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Sorry folks... but unless you dig a new canal through Panama.. you need the Calif Ports.
Otherwise you cut yourself off from half the worlds trade.
Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at January 25, 2017 12:41 PM (qf6WZ)
I believe most people are unaware that there are major seaports in CA, or anywhere on the West coast.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 25, 2017 12:45 PM (2NLtQ)
Well, with the new canals opening in Panama, it will be cheaper to ship containers directly to the East and Gulf Coasts. Container ports on the left coast are rumbling about declining traffic. Warren "Choo Choo" Buffett hardest hit.
Maybe time for a little preemptive filibustering in Panama and seize that ChiCom Canal Zone.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at January 25, 2017 12:58 PM (FtrY1)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 25, 2017 12:58 PM (E+fcv)
Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2017 12:56 PM (Zs4uk)
...
...Antarctica
?
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:58 PM (8hICw)
What happens to those LaJolla boffins and their E. Coli bacteria with the two artificial nucleoabases if the funding dries up because of succession?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 12:58 PM (Qd/25)
Produce
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 12:57 PM (lKyWE)
$100.00 spatula from Williams & Sonoma.
Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2017 12:59 PM (yfObW)
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at January 25, 2017 12:58 PM (FtrY1)
Thought that the ChicComs were building somewhere not in Panama? Nicaragua?
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:59 PM (8hICw)
Then we quote Lincoln, and then we do Mattis' march to the Pacific driving the losers into the sea!
Or we do a Lex Luthor, blow up the San Andreas fault, and buy up all that new waterfront in Nevada!
Posted by: Iblis at January 25, 2017 01:00 PM (9221z)
Posted by: vivi at January 25, 2017 01:00 PM (11H2y)
Jerry Brown as first Commifornia president.
Posted by: Sphynx at January 25, 2017 01:00 PM (OZmbA)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 25, 2017 12:57 PM (PjWy4)
My guess is that they assumed that HRC would win & they wanted to be on her good side.
Posted by: josephistan at January 25, 2017 01:00 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at January 25, 2017 01:00 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at January 25, 2017 01:00 PM (W5vyA)
Posted by: Iblis at January 25, 2017 01:00 PM (9221z)
?
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:58 PM (8hICw)
That's the Fortress of Solitude. The business address is in Michigan.
Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2017 01:01 PM (Zs4uk)
As a Californian I think this idea is great. There would be a stampeded of people leaving the state for Nevada, Arizona and elsewhere. Defense and high tech would be gone too. In a very short time CA would be pretty much just like Mexico is today.
Posted by: changey at January 25, 2017 01:01 PM (jhLh1)
I have Faith that when it would come down to that, Dahl's Tyranny of The Minority would be revealed and those bad actors would be taken care of. And by taken care of I mean held accountable under the law.
Posted by: Pepe at January 25, 2017 01:01 PM (E5dnG)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 25, 2017 12:54 PM (NBHj5)
And 5 generations later it's still an easily picked scab.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 25, 2017 01:01 PM (z79tQ)
Posted by: WisRich at January 25, 2017 01:01 PM (hdpay)
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Because they thought Hillary would win. They are always going to back the projected winner.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 25, 2017 01:01 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at January 25, 2017 01:01 PM (PXbkt)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2017 01:02 PM (/tuJf)
Two Thirds of Californians Favor Secession from California.
Posted by: AMartel at January 25, 2017 01:02 PM (WWgnZ)
Seattle handles a huge amount, and could handle more.
One thing I don't get about the Dow going 20000+. This indicates investor confidence, presumably because of Trump.
It doesn't really mean anything. The stock market is run by shrieking, over-reacting long tailed cats who imagine rocking chairs everywhere. Their behavior makes no sense most of the time. It was doing really well under Obama, despite his virulently anti-business policies.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2017 01:02 PM (39g3+)
You have to give them credit, when they go all in on crazy, it's pretty effing spectacular.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 25, 2017 01:02 PM (B+qrE)
My guess is that they assumed that HRC would win & they wanted to be on her good side.
Posted by: josephistan at January 25, 2017 01:00 PM (7HtZB)
For some reasons, the stock market LOVES, CRAVES stability/knowing what's going to happen. When something unexpected happens (Brexit, Trump), they go crazy for a while. Once the new status quo has set in, they tend to stabilize/grow.
*I am not a professional stock broker. Nothing in the preceding statement should be construed as investing advice. Reader assumes all risk and responsibility for any actions they take based on the preceding statement. IMHO, YMMV.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 01:02 PM (8hICw)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 25, 2017 12:57 PM (PjWy4)
They live and work in New York, where to be an out and proud Conservative is to be shunned.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at January 25, 2017 01:03 PM (kXoT0)
Win.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2017 01:03 PM (/tuJf)
Not a monolith. Different winners and losers. Your point still has validity, as big banks did especially well, because we now have a yield curve
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 25, 2017 01:03 PM (SIY7D)
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What about postage ? Postage is a human right!
(I can't find a stamp)
Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at January 25, 2017 01:03 PM (toH8T)
Lol.
Good luck California building that High Speed Rail that nobody will ride without federal money.
Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2017 01:03 PM (yfObW)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at January 25, 2017 01:03 PM (PjWy4)
Produce
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 12:57 PM (lKyWE)
Tanned, tight quim?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at January 25, 2017 01:03 PM (xJa6I)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 01:04 PM (Qd/25)
Posted by: Geraldine Ferraro at January 25, 2017 12:46 PM (Yx9SN)
California is maybe the most beautiful state in the country, a veritable land of milk and honey. You sure about that?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 25, 2017 12:50 PM (z79tQ)
Yep.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at January 25, 2017 01:04 PM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2017 01:04 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 25, 2017 01:01 PM (z79tQ)
"Some wounds never fully heal."
~ Frodo
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 01:04 PM (8hICw)
Posted by: Geraldine Ferraro at January 25, 2017 12:46 PM (Yx9SN)
California is maybe the most beautiful state in the country, a veritable land of milk and honey. You sure about that?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 25, 2017 12:50 PM (z79tQ)
Yep.
^Ditto
Posted by: JoshO at January 25, 2017 01:04 PM (34zfN)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2017 01:02 PM (39g3+)
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7 trillion in quantitative easing will prop up a market.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 25, 2017 01:04 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Jay In Ames at January 25, 2017 01:04 PM (i2Lsf)
440 Maybe time for a little preemptive filibustering in Panama and seize that ChiCom Canal Zone.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at January 25, 2017 12:58 PM (FtrY1)
Thought that the ChicComs were building somewhere not in Panama? Nicaragua?
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 12:59 PM (8hICw)
New locks just opened in Panama. Run by a ChiCom company.
But whatever, filibustering recognizes no borders. If they build it, we will come.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at January 25, 2017 01:05 PM (FtrY1)
"This land is your land/this land is my land/from San Andreas/to the New York Island..."
Posted by: General Zod at January 25, 2017 01:05 PM (Bdeb0)
http://community.agriculture.com/t5/Ag-Forum/74-of-Californians-against-sanctuary-cities/m-p/652331
Posted by: jim at January 25, 2017 01:05 PM (YQTlq)
You get a diner of chicken because you are a winner.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2017 01:05 PM (/tuJf)
Sean Spicer - We will end catch and release. We will deport illegal immigrants. We will restore order along the border. We will build a wall.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2017 01:05 PM (493sH)
It doesn't really mean anything. The stock market is run by shrieking, over-reacting long tailed cats who imagine rocking chairs everywhere. Their behavior makes no sense most of the time. It was doing really well under Obama, despite his virulently anti-business policies.
20k is an artificial psychological number.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2017 01:06 PM (E9ede)
Starting with....DES MOINES.
Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk - slip slidin' away at January 25, 2017 01:06 PM (kVX3W)
Win.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2017 01:03 PM (/tuJf)
We will know we've won when we no longer hear:
Press 1 for English
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at January 25, 2017 01:06 PM (kXoT0)
Anything a leftist wants but doesn't want to pay for is a "human right."
Free speech and self-defense.... not so much.
Posted by: V the K at January 25, 2017 01:06 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: melanerpes at January 25, 2017 01:06 PM (ZD0Qq)
Otherwise you cut yourself off from half the worlds trade. Posted by: Don Q. going hmmmmmm at January 25, 2017 12:41 PM (qf6WZ)
But the trade deals that keeps those ports open are wirh the U.S.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at January 25, 2017 01:06 PM (lKyWE)
Like, Val-speak? And, you know, malls?
Posted by: General Zod at January 25, 2017 01:06 PM (Bdeb0)
Stock prices are... wait for it... the big reveal... _prices_.
The enormous money creation effort by the Fed during the Obama years did what excess money creation always ends up doing.
Sloshing over and driving up prices in the markets most susceptible to the influence of excess money, among which are typically these days the securities markets.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2017 01:06 PM (noWW6)
Lol.
Good luck California building that High Speed Rail that nobody will ride without federal money.
Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2017 01:03 PM (yfObW)
Oh yeah? Well good luck getting by without high quality entertainment like "Batman v Superman" & Lady Ghostbusters.
Posted by: Hollywood at January 25, 2017 01:07 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: Tilikum KAW at January 25, 2017 01:07 PM (m3iiU)
Starting with....DES MOINES.
Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk - slip slidin' away at January 25, 2017 01:06 PM (kVX3W)
I recommend the twin cities - all those Somalis.
;-)
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 01:07 PM (8hICw)
They've come out with crazy costs and time estimates. $6 million per mile and ten years to complete was what I was hearing this morning.
For a 40 foot total length tilt-up section, materials and labor are only about $300 per foot. That's about $1.6 million per mile.
Trump will be able to come in way below budget and well ahead of schedule.
Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2017 01:07 PM (Zs4uk)
^Ditto
Posted by: JoshO at January 25, 2017 01:04 PM (34zfN)
Guess there won't be an amicable divorce!
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 25, 2017 01:08 PM (z79tQ)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 25, 2017 01:08 PM (SIY7D)
Ugh. I must concur.
But doing this would somewhat mitigate the randomness of the strategery initially advocated. Like, it would make sense.
Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk - slip slidin' away at January 25, 2017 01:08 PM (kVX3W)
Then, we declare war on them and in two or three weeks, once they've been subdued, we declare martial law until the subversives are weeded out.
Posted by: red speck at January 25, 2017 01:09 PM (RcEOo)
Posted by: Eustace Bagge at January 25, 2017 01:09 PM (Rs7tC)
Sean Spicer - We will end catch and release. We will deport illegal immigrants. We will restore order along the border. We will build a wall.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2017 01:05 PM (493sH)
For some reason I had a sudden vision of a forlorn Jeb Bush, in shabby clothes holding a battered suitcase, getting on a train with his wife headed for Mexico.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 25, 2017 01:09 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: JuJuBee at January 25, 2017 01:09 PM (dargh)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 25, 2017 01:08 PM (SIY7D)
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Then bye bye fillibuster.
And Schumer knows its.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 25, 2017 01:10 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 25, 2017 01:10 PM (Qd/25)
Sean Spicer - We will end catch and release. We will deport illegal immigrants. We will restore order along the border. We will build a wall.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2017 01:05 PM (493sH)
I'm beginning to suspect that Trump is trying lesson the left's influence by causing them to have strokes and heart attacks
Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2017 01:10 PM (yfObW)
Posted by: 1 (One) at January 25, 2017 01:10 PM (kVX3W)
Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2017 01:07 PM (Zs4uk)
J-O-B-S
Also, think about American land along the illegals route no longer being a trail of water jugs, shoes, clothing, soiled diapers, human feces, and yes, dead humans-killed by the desert or the traffickers.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at January 25, 2017 01:10 PM (kXoT0)
Of course the grassroots secessionists would be screaming bloody murder. Literally.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2017 01:10 PM (cQd8v)
Posted by: Hollywood at January 25, 2017 01:10 PM (7HtZB)
I mean, we aren't just divided....we don't just disagree....
We ficking HATE each other. I'd rather a divorce than a war
Posted by: FITP at January 25, 2017 01:11 PM (ANvce)
They've come out with crazy costs and time estimates. $6 million
per mile and ten years to complete was what I was hearing this morning
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I look forward to the cable new remotes with Live! From! The! Wall! reporting.
"Human dignity" "representative of third world suffering" "Trump's folly" "Built with bricks of racism"
Epic.
Posted by: Mortimer - FINISH HER ! at January 25, 2017 01:11 PM (toH8T)
Posted by: Hollywood at January 25, 2017 01:10 PM (7HtZB)
Ain't nobody want to see that!
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at January 25, 2017 01:12 PM (8hICw)
Posted by: Rusty Nail at January 25, 2017 01:12 PM (S2VsH)
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Even less if we use undocumented construction workers.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks. Laugh at a joke, get another joke free! at January 25, 2017 01:12 PM (Nwg0u)
Starting with....DES MOINES.
The greater Auburn/Opelika metroplex.
For the children.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 25, 2017 01:12 PM (B+qrE)
Posted by: George Tirebiter at January 25, 2017 01:12 PM (/zyrl)
If you take the words of the Declaration of Independence seriously, it does not foresee the creation of an eternal nation that can only be expanded and never be shrunk. We ought to quit pretending otherwise.
Posted by: Ex-liberal at January 25, 2017 01:12 PM (R1mDg)
Posted by: General Zod at January 25, 2017 01:06 PM (Bdeb0)
I think you'll find that the first modern (enclosed) shopping mall was in suburban Minneapolis.
Posted by: filbert at January 25, 2017 01:12 PM (s5o+q)
Let 'em secede. Then annex 'em.
Posted by: Eustace Bagge at January 25, 2017 01:09 PM (Rs7tC)
Not so fast hombre,we've been waiting for this opportunity fo 150 years
Posted by: Mexico at January 25, 2017 01:13 PM (lKyWE)
A heck of lot of Californios of Mexican heritage believe that California was stolen, and the whole state rightly should be Mexico.
Conquered. That's a different thing from stolen. Just sayin'....
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 25, 2017 12:34 PM (B+qrE)
That's what they get for living on our land before we got there.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 25, 2017 01:13 PM (XWkhW)
Posted by: Ex Presidente Vicente Fox at January 25, 2017 01:14 PM (SIY7D)
Posted by: Iblis at January 25, 2017 01:00 PM (9221z)
Probably not that many (they left Mexico for a reason). Their anchor children on the other hand...
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 25, 2017 01:14 PM (2NLtQ)
But whatever, filibustering recognizes no borders. If they build it, we will come.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at January 25, 2017 01:05 PM (FtrY1)
Fillibustering in the peninsula you say, let's try Nicaragua maybe?
Posted by: Zombie William Walker at January 25, 2017 01:14 PM (SJXRn)
Posted by: JuJuBee at January 25, 2017 01:09 PM (dargh)
As I said above, let them go then nuke them.
Posted by: Country Boy - Stay Deplorable My Friends at January 25, 2017 01:14 PM (Jcg9Q)
Posted by: Traddulicioys at January 25, 2017 01:15 PM (GSJcT)
Of course the grassroots secessionists would be screaming bloody murder. Literally.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2017 01:10 PM (cQd8v)
I concur.
If energy costs get too high buying from a foreign country (if it were even allowed) they'd build energy plants.
Not enough water at a decent rate? They'd build desalination plants. They would do those things necessary to secure a decent standard of living.
And the moonbats would wonder wtf happened to their utopia.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 25, 2017 01:15 PM (z79tQ)
RIGHT! And the left has made it very very clear that there is sbsolutely NO room for Federalism.......conform or die is their motto.
Posted by: FITP at January 25, 2017 01:15 PM (ANvce)
But they would need to come back to the real world first in order to do it.
Posted by: FITP at January 25, 2017 01:16 PM (ANvce)
Posted by: Lester at January 25, 2017 01:17 PM (8USec)
Well ... I ain't inclined to fight to make 'em stay.
But you go knock yourself out. Have a ball.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 25, 2017 01:18 PM (yOf1t)
Well, I for one find the fight worthwhile on the basic principle that some folks just need shooting. Although, being a resident of California probably means I'm taking what they've done to my state personally.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at January 25, 2017 01:22 PM (S2VsH)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 25, 2017 01:22 PM (P/kVC)
You can't shoot all the idiots, chief. Nobody owns that many rounds.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 25, 2017 01:23 PM (yOf1t)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at January 25, 2017 01:25 PM (BHMfA)
Just some coastal towns, please. We'll keep the sane people in the US.
Posted by: Jay at January 25, 2017 01:26 PM (wwKHQ)
Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2017 12:59 PM
Did I ever share the take down of the 2016 Williams-Sonoma holiday catalog?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 25, 2017 01:28 PM (p+Wdc)
California (and the rest of the Left Coast) for that matter should seek their own destinies couched in insanity. Now, they're the political anchors tied around our necks.
The sad thing is that a lot of the Inland Empire in California and inland parts of Washington and Oregon are very conservative areas. I think only the coastal, elitist areas should secede.
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Posted by: maudlino at January 25, 2017 02:02 PM (2omjj)
Now, you've got Russia or China on your continent, just miles from Hoover Dam, Palo Verde (huge nuclear generating station in AZ), and other strategic energy security assets.
Also, as others have mentioned, the ports and naval bases are difficult to replace.
Oregon has a few; but they are TINY in comparison to Oakland, Long Beach, San Diego, &c. Washington has ports, but they can't take all that capacity, either.
Knock-on implications: We invade Mexico, and take over the Baja peninsula. Now we've got more coastline.
Posted by: Edwin W at January 25, 2017 02:02 PM (l+c7t)
Posted by: tommylotto at January 25, 2017 02:04 PM (A3a8d)
https://tinyurl.com/hqb39ba
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at January 25, 2017 02:08 PM (6gybV)
1) Nations of this size are a recent innovation because, as a rule of thumb, a capital cannot effectively administer a territory which is more than a week away. Since the advent of airplanes and radio, the effective reach of government (which is the reach of timely communication and troops) has become so large that a global state is now feasible.
2) Abraham Lincoln gave the best possible rebuttal to the argument for secession in his first inaugural address.
http://tinyurl.com/jx9hjbc
"Physically speaking, we cannot separate. We can not remove our respective sections from each other, nor build an impassable wall between them. A husband and wife may be divorced, and go out of the presence, and beyond the reach of each other; but the different parts of our country cannot do this. They cannot but remain face to face; and intercourse, either amicable or hostile, must continue between them. Is it possible, then, to make that intercourse more advantageous or more satisfactory, after separation than before? Can aliens make treaties easier than friends can make laws? Can treaties be more faithfully enforced between aliens than laws can among friends? Suppose you go to war, you cannot fight always; and when, after much loss on both sides, and no gain on either, you cease fighting, the identical old questions, as to terms of intercourse, are again upon you."
In other words, unlike a marriage we're going to still be stuck with each other even after secession. Then you have tariff issues, border disputes, and a bunch of other problems. It's one reason why Latin America is such a basket case.
Posted by: Brian Pendell at January 25, 2017 02:20 PM (Mx0T1)
Would you also support New York seceding as well?
Posted by: Alt Universe MSM at January 25, 2017 02:21 PM (QtQaN)
http://www.dennisprager.com/americas-second-civil-war/
Posted by: john doesky at January 25, 2017 02:23 PM (ls21y)
Posted by: akelm88 at January 25, 2017 02:30 PM (km/D2)
Nope.
Let the state secede, and then secure it by force, and throw the ringleaders in prison for sedition/treason and execute them.
Maybe give it a couple of weeks of starvation and blockade to convince the citizens that no, we are not fucking kidding.
This kind of shit can not be allowed to stand. We didn't allow the Carolinas to divorce, or any of the rest of the South. I for one would pay good God damn money to see Matthis' march to the Sea, considering Camp Motherfucking Pendleton is in CA.
Posted by: Thatguy at January 25, 2017 02:41 PM (C0NKJ)
It will be a terrible war and years before the CHP gets into Susanville. Many will demand intervention but we must resist this call. Of course we will have to accept all refugees, at least the US citizens. But any who don't swear a loyalty oath that they did not vote for, or support secession will be stripped of US citizenship declared refugees and be confined to camps administered by neighboring states, with federal funding. I suggest we create a path to restoration of citizenship after 10-20 years to those who join the California legion
I suspect in the end they will manage but they will be a different kind of Californian, harder, ruthlessly practical and filled with cold realism and split into multiple nation states. At this point we can consider recognizing their independence or even reincorporating a few, a la West Virginia.
There is an alternative wherewe will give them a period of tutelage
This alternative is to let them go formally but require them to remain under US tutelage like say a Trust territory or Samoa for a 20-30 year period. Our military will keep our bases for a that period plus 30 years, in exchange for a defense pact, much as the Royal Navy kept Bantry Bay for 20 years after the Irish Free State was founded.
Part of this process will be to make sure they have a plebiscite and we should then demand border adjustments for dissenting counties along a West Virginia/Maine model. I suggest great efforts to encourage San Diego to become a separate state along with everything east of the Sierra Crest. We should also demand that they have the UN peacekeepers in areas and enclaves of significant US loyalist populations to "protect" American minorities.
From the moment of California's succession Californians will only be represented by a special non voting delegate in Congress. Also at the beginning of this transition period, say 3 years in, all adult Californians will be allowed to take California national citizenship, in doing so they will forfeit under prejudice their American citizenship. Those remaining US citizens will be declared expatriates and thus be subject to both the IRS and California's Franchise Board and required to submit to all reporting requirements. Those taking California citizenship will immediately be declared California nationals and issued US passports prominently labeled as such, until the independent California can issue its own. During this period they will have the benefits of US consular protection and given assistance to evacuate as long as all US citizens have been taken care of first. All children born in California after this date will only be considered citizens if born to a US parent. US citizens residing in California will be treated as US citizens in insular territories such as Puerto Rico. No resident of California will vote in American elections.
When that is all over Oregon and Washington will think twice, an expansion of true Federalism should keep them happy.
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Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2017 04:24 PM (Xuv2G)
competing for the power to make millions of other people's lives
miserable. We should just be adults about it and say "Good luck" to each
other, and let us each pursue our own right-sized happiness."
I agree. In the 19th century, populations were much smaller and the world was a much bigger place. It might have made sense to run a country of 30 million in the 19th century from a central location but not anymore, especially given that California's population today is probably similar to that of the whole country in the 19th century. Either reverse the 20th century idiocy of having power concentrated in DC by letting it devolve back to the states, or let the states secede.
But along those same lines, California should let the inner counties go in whatever direction they wish as well.
Posted by: So Long, It's Been Good to Know Ya at January 25, 2017 04:38 PM (QEUhF)
Divide, from top to bottom, with I-5 being the border. No scheming, no "treaties", all or nothing. Or STFU.
That would solve a huge number of problems. Citizens on the East would be paid a stipend from sales of water, like Alaska and oil revenue. And comrades on the West side, we'll call it Progessivetopia, would get to use their huge amounts of sales tax, employment taxes (from 200K salaries in the Silicon Valley) and sales taxes to pay people who don't want to work and for benefits to those who are not entitled to be here.
Win for the US, win for the out-shouted Eastern and Central Californians.
Make California Great Again
Posted by: Gunslinger at January 25, 2017 05:01 PM (4S7hN)
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Posted by: hurricane567 at January 25, 2017 05:16 PM (4A9Zf)
Wish they'd stop ruining such a lovely state though. Move out of the USA and give back Cali. If only.
Posted by: Soulpile at January 25, 2017 06:12 PM (Yg7Dx)
other, and let us each pursue our own right-sized happiness
The problem is when a war breaks out the right size for your country is "biggest and most powerful".
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2017 06:26 PM (Xuv2G)
Posted by: rmelvin822 at January 25, 2017 07:20 PM (02H4m)
Paraphrasing Rahm Emanuel: Never waste a crisis that allows you to shoot your mortal enemies right in their fucking heads and stack their bodies like cord wood.
If it gets to this, we need to be acknowledge that our world views are completely incompatible and that, like it says in the book of Ecclesiastes, there *IS* a time for war.
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Posted by: Conservative In Tahoe at January 26, 2017 11:14 AM (tyRaW)
I would tell them, to have fun playing little paper shuffle games all they want, but the first time they even consider a serious attempt at secession, we dissolve their state constitution, reduce them to a territory and impose martial law. Then after weeding out the traitors responsible for the treasonous act, we then consider allowing them to form a new state government, after maybe splitting the territory into a few other states. Maybe if reduced to a territory for 5 to 10 years, they'll learn some reasonable responses to political disagreements.
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