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#NeverTrump Radio Host Announces He's Stepping Down Because He Doesn't Believe in the Conservative Movement Any Longer, In the New York Times, Naturally
I'd like to encourage more of this #TruConexit.
One fantasy these imbeciles peddled is that the election was Not a "binary choice." When I'd point out to them that opposing Trump meant, by inexorable logic, supporting Hillary, they would snap back that that was "binary thinking" and wasn't true due to Reasons they couldn't be bothered to spell out. They were all very certain on this point: The election was not a "binary choice," so they were not working for Hillary every day of the election. When you'd ask them who'd become president if not Trump, they'd either refuse to answer, or say "The election was over the moment Trump was nominated" (not true, as it turns out!), or say something obnoxious like "Not my monkey, not my circus." This asshole is back with more of that here. As I said: In the New York Times. Because of course. That's where all "conservatives" go to slander actual conservatives.After nearly 25 years, I’m stepping down from my daily conservative talk radio show at the end of this month. I’m not leaving because of the rise of Donald J. Trump (my reasons are personal), but I have to admit that the campaign has made my decision easier. The conservative media is broken and the conservative movement deeply compromised. In April, after Mr. Trump decisively lost the Wisconsin Republican primary, I had hoped that we here in the Midwest would turn out to be a firewall of rationality. Our political culture was distinctly inhospitable to Mr. Trump’s divisive, pugilistic style; the conservatives who had been successful here had tended to be serious, reform-oriented and able to express their ideas in more than 140 characters. But in November, Wisconsin lined up with the rest of the Rust Belt to give the presidency to Mr. Trump. How on earth did that happen? Before this year, I thought I had a relatively solid grasp on what conservatism stood for and where it was going.... In short, I was under the impression that conservatives actually believed things about free trade, balanced budgets, character and respect for constitutional rights. Then along came this campaign. .... When I wrote in August 2015 that Mr. Trump was a cartoon version of every left-wing media stereotype of the reactionary, nativist, misogynist right, I thought that I was well within the mainstream of conservative thought -- only to find conservative Trump critics denounced for apostasy by a right that decided that it was comfortable with embracing Trumpism.... To be sure, some of my callers embraced Mr. Trump’s suggestion for a ban on Muslims entering the country and voiced support for a proposal to deport all Muslims 000 even citizens. One caller compared American Muslims to rabid dogs. But right to the end, relatively few of my listeners bought into the crude nativism Mr. Trump was selling at his rallies. What they did buy into was the argument that this was a "binary choice." No matter how bad Mr. Trump was, my listeners argued, he could not possibly be as bad as Mrs. Clinton. You simply cannot overstate this as a factor in the final outcome. As our politics have become more polarized, the essential loyalties shift from ideas, to parties, to tribes, to individuals. Nothing else ultimately matters. In this binary tribal world, where everything is at stake, everything is in play, there is no room for quibbles about character, or truth, or principles. If everything -- the Supreme Court, the fate of Western civilization, the survival of the planet -- depends on tribal victory, then neither individuals nor ideas can be determinative. I watched this play out in real time, as conservatives who fully understood the threat that Mr. Trump posed succumbed to the argument about the Supreme Court. As even Mr. Ryan discovered, neutrality was not acceptable; if you were not for Mr. Trump, then you were for Mrs. Clinton.t anymore.His listerners were convinced it was a "binary choice" because it was a binary choice: Either Clinton or Trump would be president, and none other. If he had gotten out of his Twitter/listserv bubble for ten minutes, and let his mind be still without a thousand other #NeverTrumpers cultishly chanting "not a binary choice, not a binary choice," perhaps he would have seen that it was a binary choice. But these people are very clannish and slavishly imitative of each other. And the choice was not the choice of an ideal; it was a comparative, a weighing of this against that. The fact that many #NeverTrumpers clearly preferred Hillary in this comparative choice -- all the while lying that they didn't -- does not change the fact that they did, in fact, prefer Hillary. There was lots of room for discussion of character and policy and all the stuff this asshole talks about. But there was also room for discussion of the binary choice of "Which is ultimately better for the country, warts and all, and which is ultimately worse-- Hillary or Trump?" The #NeverTrumpers did not wish to talk about that question, preferring to preen about perfect Platonic Ideals and how much better they were than everyone else. I'll say it: I want them gone. They say we've revealed our stripes; fine, I'll say they've revealed their own. Go. Get gone, be gone, and stay gone. Join the liberals, which 90% of you are already 90% of the way along to doing. Just make it official, so we don't have another crop of fake conservatives appearing in the liberal media for the only purpose of collecting a check while bashing other conservatives -- the ones who are actually looking out for this country's future, rather than their own reputability and acceptabllity to their would-be liberal media employers. By the way, Sykes will soon be collecting royalties for the new book he's writing: How the Right Lost Its Mind. And no, that's not a joke; the NYT article advertises this upcoming sure-to-be-greeted-warmly-by-the-Times'-reviewer book in noting Sykes bio at article's end.
American conservatism:
— Charlie Sykes (@SykesCharlie) December 4, 2016
Old: Shining city on a hill
New: "Built a Wall"
Old: Free mkts
New: "Retribution"
Old: Rule of law
New: "Day to day"
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I live in California.
It was not a binary choice for me.
I regret my vote for Deez Nuts. Should have voted Harambe.
It was not a binary choice for me.
I regret my vote for Deez Nuts. Should have voted Harambe.
Posted by: wooga at December 15, 2016 12:36 PM (uhfZ5)
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First!
Posted by: tu3031 at December 15, 2016 12:36 PM (qJhUV)
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Wanda's husband?
Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 15, 2016 12:38 PM (cCsPW)
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Don't let the waaaambulance door hit you in the ass.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2016 12:38 PM (PY9jH)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 15, 2016 12:39 PM (SkR14)
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Umm..okay...goodbye, happy retirement!
Posted by: IC at December 15, 2016 12:39 PM (a0IVu)
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Ugh Charley Sykes. Used to listen to him a long time ago. He went nuts this election.
Good riddance.
Good riddance.
Posted by: WisRich at December 15, 2016 12:39 PM (hdpay)
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The time for idealism is the primaries. The time for pragmatism is the general.
Trump was my least favorite republican candidate, but i voted against hillary in the general the only way i could. Romney was my last favorite last time around and somehow also got the nod, and I still did my duty in the general and voted against obama the only way i could
Trump was my least favorite republican candidate, but i voted against hillary in the general the only way i could. Romney was my last favorite last time around and somehow also got the nod, and I still did my duty in the general and voted against obama the only way i could
Posted by: Mst3k at December 15, 2016 12:39 PM (SbaWv)
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Seconded.
Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at December 15, 2016 12:39 PM (Fbjmq)
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By the way, Sykes will soon be collecting royalties for the new book he's writing: How the Right Lost Its Mind.
I bet it doesn't crack 27,000 on the Amazon rankings...
I bet it doesn't crack 27,000 on the Amazon rankings...
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 15, 2016 12:39 PM (FftaI)
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Charlie Sykes quitting??? Johnson! Stop the presses!
Posted by: tu3031 at December 15, 2016 12:39 PM (qJhUV)
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I was certain this was going to be Glenn Beck.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2016 12:40 PM (PY9jH)
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I was certain this was going to be Glenn Beck.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2016 12:40 PM (PY9jH)
That's what I thought too...
I was certain this was going to be Glenn Beck.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2016 12:40 PM (PY9jH)
That's what I thought too...
Posted by: IC at December 15, 2016 12:40 PM (a0IVu)
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The Saga Staggers:
The Golden Scalp Weasel at the pinnacle of Trump Tower is alight, sign that the master is in residence.
In the yuge magnificent penthouse Donald Trump continues his meetings with supplicants and applicants. This day is for the latter and kneeling before his throne made of the skulls of clowns and candidates are the Lords of Tech, rulers of the Principality of Silicon.
"We come before you, O Bearer of the Golden Scalp Weasel."
"We lay our arms down before you in submission."
"We fought you and you beat us with our own weapons."
"Your Tweets could not be withstood."
"Our Apps, our server farms, our very patents and registered trademarks are yours to command."
Trump looks over the kneeling crowd of tech nerds and chuckles.
"You all wrote that I wasn't fit to be president and yet here we are today."
"That was a bit hasty on our part, I'll admit..." Baron Bezos begins.
"And that fishwrap you bought is still attacking me. Sad."
"The Post is in rebellion. They have barricaded the doors and pour boiling ink on any who approach the gates. They are well-stocked for a siege with large stores of bagels, coffee, and hot pockets. It will be months before full control can be restored."
"Do so or I shall utter the maledictions of Teddy Roosevelt and invoke the dread Anti-Trust against you bigly."
"No! Anything but that!"
The Golden Scalp Weasel arches its claws and hisses warningly as all shudder.
"That goes for the rest of you. Your imperial governors will be arriving soon and you shall prepare for them. Now I must prepare for my Triumph."
"You mean inauguration, don't you?"
"Yeah, that's what I meant. Inauguration."
The Lords of Tech leave. Once alone Trump picks up his phone and makes a call.
"Vlad, you were right about that after all..."
The Golden Scalp Weasel at the pinnacle of Trump Tower is alight, sign that the master is in residence.
In the yuge magnificent penthouse Donald Trump continues his meetings with supplicants and applicants. This day is for the latter and kneeling before his throne made of the skulls of clowns and candidates are the Lords of Tech, rulers of the Principality of Silicon.
"We come before you, O Bearer of the Golden Scalp Weasel."
"We lay our arms down before you in submission."
"We fought you and you beat us with our own weapons."
"Your Tweets could not be withstood."
"Our Apps, our server farms, our very patents and registered trademarks are yours to command."
Trump looks over the kneeling crowd of tech nerds and chuckles.
"You all wrote that I wasn't fit to be president and yet here we are today."
"That was a bit hasty on our part, I'll admit..." Baron Bezos begins.
"And that fishwrap you bought is still attacking me. Sad."
"The Post is in rebellion. They have barricaded the doors and pour boiling ink on any who approach the gates. They are well-stocked for a siege with large stores of bagels, coffee, and hot pockets. It will be months before full control can be restored."
"Do so or I shall utter the maledictions of Teddy Roosevelt and invoke the dread Anti-Trust against you bigly."
"No! Anything but that!"
The Golden Scalp Weasel arches its claws and hisses warningly as all shudder.
"That goes for the rest of you. Your imperial governors will be arriving soon and you shall prepare for them. Now I must prepare for my Triumph."
"You mean inauguration, don't you?"
"Yeah, that's what I meant. Inauguration."
The Lords of Tech leave. Once alone Trump picks up his phone and makes a call.
"Vlad, you were right about that after all..."
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 12:40 PM (hLRSq)
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Looks like it should be an early night.
Posted by: 16 Paranoia Filled Days Later at December 15, 2016 12:40 PM (5kqPn)
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Who?
Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2016 12:41 PM (7HtZB)
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Willowed in the last thread, yet somehow seems appropriate:
Posted by: Maritime at December 15, 2016 12:33 PM (KhyXS)
I agree it is party bigwigs, but from the state parties. The NeverTrumper politicians are coming around, they still have a power base and can work with the GSW. It is the NeverTrumpers in the rightwing media and the consultant class that lost yuuuugely and are freaking out in their bunkers.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 12:37 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Maritime at December 15, 2016 12:33 PM (KhyXS)
I agree it is party bigwigs, but from the state parties. The NeverTrumper politicians are coming around, they still have a power base and can work with the GSW. It is the NeverTrumpers in the rightwing media and the consultant class that lost yuuuugely and are freaking out in their bunkers.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 12:37 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 12:41 PM (hLRSq)
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I hope Beck is next.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at December 15, 2016 12:41 PM (fq4ih)
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I've actually never heard of this guy.
O/T MeAgain is ruining Outnumbered, talking about her favorite subject.
O/T MeAgain is ruining Outnumbered, talking about her favorite subject.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2016 12:42 PM (PY9jH)
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When I first saw the headline I thought it was Glenn Beck.
Posted by: deepred at December 15, 2016 12:42 PM (8oULY)
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I didn't get a Good Day, Sir! outta this guy.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 12:42 PM (/tuJf)
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My voice is tanned, rested and ready for that schmuck's time slot.
My voice is tanned, rested and ready for that schmuck's time slot.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2016 12:42 PM (mbhDw)
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https://tinyurl.com/j3ffm5o
DHS Knew OSU Attacker Was Terror Recruitment Target, Let Him Into The U.S. Anyway
from last thread
DHS Knew OSU Attacker Was Terror Recruitment Target, Let Him Into The U.S. Anyway
from last thread
Posted by: Evilpens at December 15, 2016 12:42 PM (y3aQB)
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My voice is tanned, rested and ready for that schmuck's time slot.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2016 12:42 PM (mbhDw)
That would be awesome.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2016 12:42 PM (mbhDw)
That would be awesome.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2016 12:43 PM (PY9jH)
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Wow. Next thing you know Bill Wynn will announce he's not gonna comment here any more!
Posted by: tu3031 at December 15, 2016 12:43 PM (qJhUV)
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In my mic is a link to an article that explains why the FBI and the CIA disagree. The wheels are coming off their bus.
Posted by: Chilling the most at December 15, 2016 12:43 PM (Cl52v)
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Sykes is "stepping down." Meaning: My ratings are tanking and I have to do something to remain in the public eye. Therefore, I'll take the obvious road and proclaim loudly that I didn't leave the conservative movement, it left me.
Posted by: Blake at December 15, 2016 12:43 PM (qC1Sy)
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If the NYT is publishing your "conservative" piece and your wondering if your right-here's your sign. #getafuckingclue
Posted by: BrianInNC at December 15, 2016 12:43 PM (+Y0h2)
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So Sykes - declared "Conservative" - was willing to jettison the Supreme Court, Obamacare, all of the Conservative agenda. Because Trump is icky.
It really came own to "half a loaf is better than none", an Charlie Sykes *wanted* nothing and to like it?
It really came own to "half a loaf is better than none", an Charlie Sykes *wanted* nothing and to like it?
Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at December 15, 2016 12:44 PM (Fbjmq)
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20 When I first saw the headline I thought it was Glenn Beck.
Posted by: deepred at December 15, 2016 12:42 PM (8oULY)
I was hoping.
Posted by: deepred at December 15, 2016 12:42 PM (8oULY)
I was hoping.
Posted by: Blake at December 15, 2016 12:44 PM (qC1Sy)
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i don't listen to talk radio, never have...
i truly have no idea who this fuck-TARD is, and now i have even less interest in ever knowing...
in fact, my interest can be measured in nano-shits.
F him, sideways, with a flaming pineapple.
i truly have no idea who this fuck-TARD is, and now i have even less interest in ever knowing...
in fact, my interest can be measured in nano-shits.
F him, sideways, with a flaming pineapple.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 15, 2016 12:44 PM (nKLZ2)
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Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, This Is the Dawning of the Age of the Trumpius! at December 15, 2016 12:45 PM (Nwg0u)
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Speaking of, has anyone performed a wellness check on Hotair lately?
Has the family even requested one?
Has the family even requested one?
Posted by: 16 Paranoia Filled Days Later at December 15, 2016 12:45 PM (5kqPn)
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8 The time for idealism is the primaries. The time for pragmatism is the general.
Trump was my least favorite republican candidate, but i voted against hillary in the general the only way i could. Romney was my last favorite last time around and somehow also got the nod, and I still did my duty in the general and voted against obama the only way i could
Posted by: Mst3k at December 15, 2016 12:39 PM (SbaWv)
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As a private voter, there's also the question of what state you're in. Pennsylvania and Wyoming are two very different states, and if you're a conservative in one or the other, the calculus is very different.
I live in SC, so I decided to protest vote and voted for Gary Johnson. There was no chance in hell that Trump was losing my state, so I tried to say...something.
If I lived in any state that was remotely considered a swing state that would have changed, and I would have voted for Trump.
However, if you're a radio personality trying to influence voters, that's a different ball game. Because your audience is going to fairly broad, you need to be appealing to that broader audience that are in different situations. Refusing to see that in your audience is a killer for your career as a thought leader, and refusing to see how and why conservatives might have chosen Trump over Clinton is a failure on his part.
Trump was my least favorite republican candidate, but i voted against hillary in the general the only way i could. Romney was my last favorite last time around and somehow also got the nod, and I still did my duty in the general and voted against obama the only way i could
Posted by: Mst3k at December 15, 2016 12:39 PM (SbaWv)
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As a private voter, there's also the question of what state you're in. Pennsylvania and Wyoming are two very different states, and if you're a conservative in one or the other, the calculus is very different.
I live in SC, so I decided to protest vote and voted for Gary Johnson. There was no chance in hell that Trump was losing my state, so I tried to say...something.
If I lived in any state that was remotely considered a swing state that would have changed, and I would have voted for Trump.
However, if you're a radio personality trying to influence voters, that's a different ball game. Because your audience is going to fairly broad, you need to be appealing to that broader audience that are in different situations. Refusing to see that in your audience is a killer for your career as a thought leader, and refusing to see how and why conservatives might have chosen Trump over Clinton is a failure on his part.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 12:45 PM (5sBuX)
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Remember, RedState and HotAir can kiss my ass too. Don't give them clicks or adviews, let them whither on the vine. Eat a bag of Richards.
Posted by: SpecialEd at December 15, 2016 12:45 PM (I9rXv)
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Sure, but you can keep David Frum, we don't want him back in Canada
Posted by: GregV61 at December 15, 2016 12:46 PM (H0lcY)
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The conservative movement has been severely compromised? IIRC, conservatism - true conservatism and not the GOPe flavor of it - was NOT on the ballot in 2016.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 15, 2016 12:46 PM (jxbfJ)
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Maybe Charlie figured out he was living a delusion and nobody really cared what he thought?
Imagine that. All this so called effort any nobody really gave a shit.
Like penning angry rants on Twitter and comment sections to feel empowered when you are really just displaying your flaccid lunacy.
Imagine that. All this so called effort any nobody really gave a shit.
Like penning angry rants on Twitter and comment sections to feel empowered when you are really just displaying your flaccid lunacy.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 12:46 PM (rQph1)
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Sykes? Never heard of him except as the villain in Oliver
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2016 12:46 PM (sRFAL)
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When the news first broke last Friday that the CIA had told Senators that Russia essentially gave the election to Donald Trump the politicians and pundits infesting Washington were up in arms. Hell, even John McCain and Lindsay Little Old Lady Graham jumped on the hysteria bandwagon to voice outrage and threaten Russia. Tonight we learn that Brennan was lying.
Posted by: Evilpens at December 15, 2016 12:46 PM (y3aQB)
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But but the Never Trumpers smugly predicted that Trump will never win Wisconsin because Charlie "Wisconsin expert" Sykes said so.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2016 12:47 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 15, 2016 12:47 PM (WTSFk)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 15, 2016 12:47 PM (jxbfJ)
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And Beck. I forgot how he lost it. He lost me. Eat a bag, Beck.
Posted by: SpecialEd at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (I9rXv)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 12:45 PM (5sBuX)
That's worth consideration i suppose. If i still lived in chicago maybe i would join first comment and vote harambe over hildebeast
That's worth consideration i suppose. If i still lived in chicago maybe i would join first comment and vote harambe over hildebeast
Posted by: Mst3k at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (SbaWv)
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So, am I the first to say this dope's the male MeAgain?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (X6fMO)
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I'll say it: I want them gone. They say we've revealed our stripes; fine, I'll say they've revealed their own.
Go. Get the fuck out.
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Remember when the NeverTrumpers were going to purge all of us who voted for Trump from the primary?
I certainly haven't forgotten. And I don't intend to.
I'll say it: I want them gone. They say we've revealed our stripes; fine, I'll say they've revealed their own.
Go. Get the fuck out.
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Remember when the NeverTrumpers were going to purge all of us who voted for Trump from the primary?
I certainly haven't forgotten. And I don't intend to.
Posted by: Methos at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (3Liv/)
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the conservatives who had been successful here had tended to be serious, reform-oriented and able to express their ideas in more than 140 characters.
Successful in getting the GOP nomination. Successful in getting elected in the general, not so much.
Successful in getting the GOP nomination. Successful in getting elected in the general, not so much.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (SRKgf)
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I am sure most Jews expressing any discomfort with Judaism would publish it in Der Strumer
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (sRFAL)
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Charlie who?
Posted by: Crusty Curmudgeon at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (T8dAj)
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"As I said: In the New York Times. Because of course. That's where all "conservatives" go to slander actual conservatives."
Mr. Sykes pant crease just got much more beautiful.
Mr. Sykes pant crease just got much more beautiful.
Posted by: David Brooks at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (OD2ni)
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By the way, Sykes will soon be collecting royalties for the new book he's writing: How the Right Lost Its Mind.
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how is he going to collect royalties on a book few, if any, people are going to buy?
his former listeners won't be purchasing it, and the Left are a bunch of cheapskate MoFo's who aren't likely to give a shit, since they're sure we've never been in our right mind to begin with.
i hope it goes straight to the Dollar Store book shelves.
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how is he going to collect royalties on a book few, if any, people are going to buy?
his former listeners won't be purchasing it, and the Left are a bunch of cheapskate MoFo's who aren't likely to give a shit, since they're sure we've never been in our right mind to begin with.
i hope it goes straight to the Dollar Store book shelves.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (nKLZ2)
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ACE, did you see the newest hollywood celery PSA??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RA0dzGTbjY
A bunch of cocksuckers telling the electors to disenfranchise tens of millions of voters.
ACE, did you see the newest hollywood celery PSA??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RA0dzGTbjY
A bunch of cocksuckers telling the electors to disenfranchise tens of millions of voters.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (75UO5)
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I used to have a small Fake Liberal News comedy blog during Bambi's first term. One of the Fake Writers was a "conservative" called Frank Finger.
Every one of his columns was exactly like this and at the end it would read something like: "Frank Finger is a Pulitzer Prize winning conservative columnist who writes for The Mega Independent. His new book "The Conservatives: Why Did They Do This to Us?" hits store shelves next week."
Turns out being Frank Finger pays handsomely.
Every one of his columns was exactly like this and at the end it would read something like: "Frank Finger is a Pulitzer Prize winning conservative columnist who writes for The Mega Independent. His new book "The Conservatives: Why Did They Do This to Us?" hits store shelves next week."
Turns out being Frank Finger pays handsomely.
Posted by: Mega at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (AOgoV)
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Remember when the NeverTrumpers were going to purge all of us who voted for Trump from the primary?
I certainly haven't forgotten. And I don't intend to.
Posted by: Methos at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (3Liv/)
Most have not returned here to eat crow. LMAO
I certainly haven't forgotten. And I don't intend to.
Posted by: Methos at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (3Liv/)
Most have not returned here to eat crow. LMAO
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (sRFAL)
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I had to quit. It was only a matter of time before a gang of white supremacists wearing Trump hats showed up to lynch me!
Posted by: Charlie Sykes at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (qJhUV)
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Be kind. Being married to Wanda Sykes would send me over the edge, too.
Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (7HtZB)
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Fear and Loathing in Chappaqua
The desert is a harsh but beautiful place. Delicate cactus flowers dot the rolling dunes like measles spots on a young boy's face.
As the sun beat down mercilessly, the woman blinked twice and then rubbed her eyes in disbelief. There, a scant 100 yards away was a shimmering oasis. Palm trees bowed in the gentle breeze, a glittering lake of pure, clear, refreshing water. After what seemed a lifetime of stumbling through the unforgiving terrain her quest was nearing the end. Her lips were cracked and dry and burning, parched with the unending heat. Her thirst yearned to be quenched. Lurching to her hands and knees she began to crawl toward the oasis. Unsteadily she placed one hand in front of the other, one knee in front of the other, dragging herself the last few yards. She could discern a small wooden building, could it be a house of some sort? She was no ways too tired to reach the object of her desire.
After what seemed an eternity, she knew that her destiny was finally within grasp. Just then, a sharp wind blew across the dunes and a thin layer of billowing sand blocked her view of the oasis. As the sand settled, and the oasis came back into sight, she was able to make out a sign on the side of the building. Blinking her eyes one more time, the trees, the lake, the building suddenly vanished. Just before the mirage blinked out of view she was able to make out the lettering on the sign. "White House" was all it said.
"Noooooooooooo.....!" Her scream echoed across the barren landscape.
The desert is a harsh but beautiful place. Delicate cactus flowers dot the rolling dunes like measles spots on a young boy's face.
As the sun beat down mercilessly, the woman blinked twice and then rubbed her eyes in disbelief. There, a scant 100 yards away was a shimmering oasis. Palm trees bowed in the gentle breeze, a glittering lake of pure, clear, refreshing water. After what seemed a lifetime of stumbling through the unforgiving terrain her quest was nearing the end. Her lips were cracked and dry and burning, parched with the unending heat. Her thirst yearned to be quenched. Lurching to her hands and knees she began to crawl toward the oasis. Unsteadily she placed one hand in front of the other, one knee in front of the other, dragging herself the last few yards. She could discern a small wooden building, could it be a house of some sort? She was no ways too tired to reach the object of her desire.
After what seemed an eternity, she knew that her destiny was finally within grasp. Just then, a sharp wind blew across the dunes and a thin layer of billowing sand blocked her view of the oasis. As the sand settled, and the oasis came back into sight, she was able to make out a sign on the side of the building. Blinking her eyes one more time, the trees, the lake, the building suddenly vanished. Just before the mirage blinked out of view she was able to make out the lettering on the sign. "White House" was all it said.
"Noooooooooooo.....!" Her scream echoed across the barren landscape.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 15, 2016 12:50 PM (wPiJc)
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And I refuse to believe he's giving up his platform to say "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" if Trump does anything even remotely Bush, McCain, or Romney-like.
He's bound to already have another offer from the NYT or Atlantic or some other smart-set bunch in need of a True Conservative voice.
He's bound to already have another offer from the NYT or Atlantic or some other smart-set bunch in need of a True Conservative voice.
Posted by: 16 Paranoia Filled Days Later at December 15, 2016 12:50 PM (5kqPn)
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I thought Wanda Sykes was gay?? Is she the comedian?
Posted by: IC at December 15, 2016 12:50 PM (a0IVu)
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45 Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 12:45 PM (5sBuX)
That's worth consideration i suppose. If i still lived in chicago maybe i would join first comment and vote harambe over hildebeast
Posted by: Mst3k at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (SbaWv)
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SC doesn't allow write ins so I was stuck with the choices on the ballot.
And, to be 100% honest, Gary Johnson was the worst candidate of the top 4. It was as though the establishments of both major parties got together and assembled the most obtuse example of a Libertarian imaginable from leftover bits of Nick Gillespie articles that even he thought were too weird for Reason Magazine.
That's worth consideration i suppose. If i still lived in chicago maybe i would join first comment and vote harambe over hildebeast
Posted by: Mst3k at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (SbaWv)
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SC doesn't allow write ins so I was stuck with the choices on the ballot.
And, to be 100% honest, Gary Johnson was the worst candidate of the top 4. It was as though the establishments of both major parties got together and assembled the most obtuse example of a Libertarian imaginable from leftover bits of Nick Gillespie articles that even he thought were too weird for Reason Magazine.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 12:50 PM (5sBuX)
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I love being lectured by these trucon types like they are some kind of church elder. Most of them don't really understand a majority of what they are speaking or writing about. They selectively quote philosophers or the Bible and use it in their own twisted context. If you call them out, you're an apostate or something.
There are plenty of examples on relatively well know blogs, websites or radio shows.
I'm just as sick of these people as I am liberals. They're a bunch of frauds and carnival barkers.
There are plenty of examples on relatively well know blogs, websites or radio shows.
I'm just as sick of these people as I am liberals. They're a bunch of frauds and carnival barkers.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 12:50 PM (rQph1)
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But in November, Wisconsin lined up with the rest of the Rust Belt to give the presidency to Mr. Trump.
That proves he was supporting Hillary.
That proves he was supporting Hillary.
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2016 12:51 PM (bMG0w)
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I've listened to Sykes for years. Even met him and talked to him about things. He's obviously showing his true colors now. I fully expect to see him in a regular gig on MSNBC in the future.
His last day is tomorrow. Can't come soon enough.
His last day is tomorrow. Can't come soon enough.
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 15, 2016 12:51 PM (lJW6d)
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My voice is tanned, rested and ready for that schmuck's time slot.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2016 12:42 PM (mbhDw)
I'd love to hear a morning drive time show with you and Vic.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2016 12:42 PM (mbhDw)
I'd love to hear a morning drive time show with you and Vic.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 15, 2016 12:51 PM (X6fMO)
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But in November, Wisconsin lined up with the rest of the Rust Belt to give the presidency to Mr. Trump.
He obviously would have been happier if they had given Hillary the victory.
In short, I was under the impression that conservatives actually believed things about free trade, balanced budgets, character and respect for constitutional rights. Then along came this campaign.
Hhmm, he doesn't mention that the gov't should work for all citizens and not the establishment. And for spouting off about the Constitution he obviously forgot that Congress, which has been Republican for six years, controls the purse strings. Plus, Trump, for all of his crudity, has less character than Hillary? Of course he mentioned the shibboleth of free trade which Republicans weren't for until the 70's. Obviously it isn't a set feature of conservatism.
He obviously would have been happier if they had given Hillary the victory.
In short, I was under the impression that conservatives actually believed things about free trade, balanced budgets, character and respect for constitutional rights. Then along came this campaign.
Hhmm, he doesn't mention that the gov't should work for all citizens and not the establishment. And for spouting off about the Constitution he obviously forgot that Congress, which has been Republican for six years, controls the purse strings. Plus, Trump, for all of his crudity, has less character than Hillary? Of course he mentioned the shibboleth of free trade which Republicans weren't for until the 70's. Obviously it isn't a set feature of conservatism.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at December 15, 2016 12:51 PM (vPdas)
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Romney was my last favorite last time around and somehow also got the
nod, and I still did my duty in the general and voted against obama the
only way i could
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Careful.
Some people get excitable if you refer to performing your civic duty as doing your duty.
nod, and I still did my duty in the general and voted against obama the
only way i could
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Careful.
Some people get excitable if you refer to performing your civic duty as doing your duty.
Posted by: Methos at December 15, 2016 12:51 PM (3Liv/)
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I had to quit. It was only a matter of time before a gang of white supremacists wearing Trump hats showed up to lynch me!
Posted by: Charlie Sykes
******
Fake noose!
Posted by: Charlie Sykes
******
Fake noose!
Posted by: Muldoon at December 15, 2016 12:51 PM (wPiJc)
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Why is every celebrity PSA done in this stupid tired style of word-repitition??
Ace wrote about this annoying stlye of video before -- when the NFL did it, and when hollywood did it several times.
I thought they'd stop. But no. They apparently think it's effective to repeat the same word(s) over and over with cut-aways to different celerys.
Why is every celebrity PSA done in this stupid tired style of word-repitition??
Ace wrote about this annoying stlye of video before -- when the NFL did it, and when hollywood did it several times.
I thought they'd stop. But no. They apparently think it's effective to repeat the same word(s) over and over with cut-aways to different celerys.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 12:51 PM (75UO5)
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I was hoping it was Michael Medved.
Posted by: Mr. Mystery at December 15, 2016 12:52 PM (AVVYL)
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In short, I was under the impression that conservatives actually believed things about free trade, balanced budgets, character and respect for constitutional rights. Then along came this campaign
I do believe those things. Of course like most people we've been looking at the "conservatives" in Washington and its very apparent that they do not.
I do believe those things. Of course like most people we've been looking at the "conservatives" in Washington and its very apparent that they do not.
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2016 12:52 PM (bMG0w)
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I stopped listening to Sykes long ago anyhow, so his leaving the market means diddly to me.
His alternative in the Milwaukee market isn't that much better, but if you want to listen to conservative radio in Milwaukee, it is a binary choice; either this guy or the other guy.
I chose the other guy.
Sykes had two annoying things that drove me away, and one of them was his berating of anyone who had an artificial Christmas tree. It was a bellwether to him on the goodness of a person, which I found as ridiculous as George Will and his aversion to jeans. An affectation that signifies superiority but in reality means nothing.
His other was a method of making himself look like an insider with great insight (or something) wherein he'd stretch out a story for three segments, getting comments from callers along the way, but after every commercial break, he'd bleed out a little more of the story and people's opinions would of course change. Once I caught onto that gambit, there was nothing more he could offer me. Fuck him. Good riddance.
His alternative in the Milwaukee market isn't that much better, but if you want to listen to conservative radio in Milwaukee, it is a binary choice; either this guy or the other guy.
I chose the other guy.
Sykes had two annoying things that drove me away, and one of them was his berating of anyone who had an artificial Christmas tree. It was a bellwether to him on the goodness of a person, which I found as ridiculous as George Will and his aversion to jeans. An affectation that signifies superiority but in reality means nothing.
His other was a method of making himself look like an insider with great insight (or something) wherein he'd stretch out a story for three segments, getting comments from callers along the way, but after every commercial break, he'd bleed out a little more of the story and people's opinions would of course change. Once I caught onto that gambit, there was nothing more he could offer me. Fuck him. Good riddance.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 15, 2016 12:52 PM (kKHcp)
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Uh.... Trump is not a Conservative...
So his real problem is that Conservatives have lost political control of the Republican Party.
but then, based on the ACTIONS of the Republican Party... they really are not Conservative either..
Just another Kabuki Mask being ripped off...
So his real problem is that Conservatives have lost political control of the Republican Party.
but then, based on the ACTIONS of the Republican Party... they really are not Conservative either..
Just another Kabuki Mask being ripped off...
Posted by: Don Q. at December 15, 2016 12:52 PM (qf6WZ)
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69
Why is every celebrity PSA done in this stupid tired style of word-repitition??
Ace wrote about this annoying stlye of video before -- when the NFL did it, and when hollywood did it several times.
I thought they'd stop. But no. They apparently think it's effective to repeat the same word(s) over and over with cut-aways to different celerys.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 12:51 PM (75UO5)
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Because they're imaginative and creative individuals. They're press agents tell them, so it must be true!
Why is every celebrity PSA done in this stupid tired style of word-repitition??
Ace wrote about this annoying stlye of video before -- when the NFL did it, and when hollywood did it several times.
I thought they'd stop. But no. They apparently think it's effective to repeat the same word(s) over and over with cut-aways to different celerys.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 12:51 PM (75UO5)
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Because they're imaginative and creative individuals. They're press agents tell them, so it must be true!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 12:52 PM (5sBuX)
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I'll admit it's nice to see evidence of an actual hack, though.
Posted by: 16 Paranoia Filled Days Later at December 15, 2016 12:52 PM (5kqPn)
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Media job opening available for someone who nearly always got it right during the campaign (and afterwards)...
Ace
Ace
Posted by: cool breeze at December 15, 2016 12:53 PM (StZrq)
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There was this kind of shakeout when Reagan was elected. This is a change election and there is going to be a lot of ideological reshuffling. That's a GOOD thing. People should go where they're actually comfortable rather than where they kinda vaguely feel like they ought to be.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at December 15, 2016 12:53 PM (RD7QR)
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So when is Allahpundit's NYT article coming out, announcing his move to HuffPo?
Posted by: Agent Cooper at December 15, 2016 12:53 PM (1zARK)
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This man's listeners turned out to be much smarter than him.
Could it be that he is quitting due to falling ratings?
Could it be that all those listeners who tried to set him straight quit on him?
Could it be that he is quitting due to falling ratings?
Could it be that all those listeners who tried to set him straight quit on him?
Posted by: Decaf at December 15, 2016 12:53 PM (nogKi)
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So Sykes - declared "Conservative" - was willing to jettison the Supreme Court, Obamacare, all of the Conservative agenda. Because Trump is icky.
Yeah, that mindset completely escapes me.
Yeah, that mindset completely escapes me.
Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at December 15, 2016 12:53 PM (wq8Cl)
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I posted way back in the primaries that Trump, if nothing else, would expose who is on whose side.
Im a damned prophet.
I posted way back in the primaries that Trump, if nothing else, would expose who is on whose side.
Im a damned prophet.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2016 12:53 PM (8XRCm)
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Can this jerkoff take Ben Shapiro with him?
Heard him on the Rubin report going on about the Trump and the "alt-right"
Screw that guy as well.
Heard him on the Rubin report going on about the Trump and the "alt-right"
Screw that guy as well.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2016 12:53 PM (3Xxpy)
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I get not voting for Trump, but advocating and campaigning for establishment stooge Egg McMuffin? And then lecturing others on alleged conservative principles? Thats really a bit rich.
So, not a big loss. Good riddance.
So, not a big loss. Good riddance.
Posted by: Nurse Ratched at December 15, 2016 12:54 PM (FDqSd)
Posted by: Kensington at December 15, 2016 12:54 PM (Cw3TC)
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Goodness sykes!
Posted by: Muldoon at December 15, 2016 12:54 PM (wPiJc)
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I've never been a fan of wanda sykes anyway, so no big loss
Posted by: ed gibbon at December 15, 2016 12:54 PM (U0qYy)
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And I just realized why these stupid celebrity PSA's are made this way: They play well with the stupid facebook crowd.
People on Facebook are the embodiment of real-life people who want nothing more than to live like the people they see on TV, such as the cast of Friends.
Or like that spunky tough indenpent oriental chick Ming Na on that dumb Marvel tv show. She doesn't exist in real life -- don't try to be like her!!
And I just realized why these stupid celebrity PSA's are made this way: They play well with the stupid facebook crowd.
People on Facebook are the embodiment of real-life people who want nothing more than to live like the people they see on TV, such as the cast of Friends.
Or like that spunky tough indenpent oriental chick Ming Na on that dumb Marvel tv show. She doesn't exist in real life -- don't try to be like her!!
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 12:54 PM (75UO5)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 15, 2016 12:54 PM (kKHcp)
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I had to quit. It was only a matter of time before a gang of white supremacists wearing Trump hats showed up to lynch me!
Posted by: Charlie Sykes at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (qJhUV)
May your dreams be haunted by legions of Packers fans, their Cheeseheads emblazoned with TRUMP!
Posted by: Charlie Sykes at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (qJhUV)
May your dreams be haunted by legions of Packers fans, their Cheeseheads emblazoned with TRUMP!
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 12:54 PM (hLRSq)
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I'm glad we were there to talk Ace down from the edge when it looked like he was going to follow the insufferable twits into the abyss.
Posted by: jwest at December 15, 2016 12:54 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2016 12:54 PM (UD0Gq)
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>>>I love being lectured by these trucon types like they are some kind of church elder.
Yup. As much of this on the right as on the left. Politics serves as a substitute religion, full of catechisms and judging of the Unclean, for many.
Yup. As much of this on the right as on the left. Politics serves as a substitute religion, full of catechisms and judging of the Unclean, for many.
Posted by: ace at December 15, 2016 12:54 PM (8rNrN)
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For the record, I don't think that Trump is a conservative. I am.
However, I voted for Trump in the primaries; the only other person I favored was Ben Carson.
Why? Outsiders. The Republican party has abandoned conservatives, and lied year after year after year, all while giving Preezy Bammy whatever he wanted. That his NOT the role of the opposition party.
Trump is an outsider. Will he advance a conservative agenda? Not really sure.
Will he make America competitive again, and b*tch slap both the democrats and the RINOs? I certainly hope so. THAT is why I voted for him.
/omg, I hear the theme to the Odd Couple in my head...
However, I voted for Trump in the primaries; the only other person I favored was Ben Carson.
Why? Outsiders. The Republican party has abandoned conservatives, and lied year after year after year, all while giving Preezy Bammy whatever he wanted. That his NOT the role of the opposition party.
Trump is an outsider. Will he advance a conservative agenda? Not really sure.
Will he make America competitive again, and b*tch slap both the democrats and the RINOs? I certainly hope so. THAT is why I voted for him.
/omg, I hear the theme to the Odd Couple in my head...
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at December 15, 2016 12:54 PM (g2nd/)
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F it. Never heard of him.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 15, 2016 12:55 PM (4b0RA)
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I've never heard of this person.
Posted by: Witchfinder at December 15, 2016 12:55 PM (XRljh)
Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2016 12:55 PM (3Xxpy)
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Never heard of this guy.
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at December 15, 2016 12:55 PM (q48nq)
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And Egg McMuffin at this point is indistinguishable from any of the Democrats whining about the election results.
Probably donated to Jill Stein's recount scam, too, the jackass.
Probably donated to Jill Stein's recount scam, too, the jackass.
Posted by: Kensington at December 15, 2016 12:55 PM (Cw3TC)
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91 Who the fuck is a Charlie Sykes?
Any relation to Wanda?
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Wasn't he the lead guitarist in Whitesnake?
Any relation to Wanda?
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Wasn't he the lead guitarist in Whitesnake?
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at December 15, 2016 12:55 PM (g2nd/)
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 12:56 PM (75UO5)
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>>As much of this on the right as on the left. Politics serves as a substitute religion, full of catechisms and judging of the Unclean, for many.
Pages v Choir Boys?
Pages v Choir Boys?
Posted by: Harry Reid at December 15, 2016 12:56 PM (UD0Gq)
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I never minded people who were opposed to Trump as president and would would mock him, he has it coming. My problem is when they'd do it to the exclusion of or extreme disproportion to their criticism of Hillary.
It was pretty obvious they found her a far less noxious choice, and were okay with her winning. That's inexcusable.
It was pretty obvious they found her a far less noxious choice, and were okay with her winning. That's inexcusable.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 12:56 PM (39g3+)
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These people mostly come out of nowhere. Usually the first clue is their background which is usually not what you would believe some deep seated, well versed intellectual would come from. Possible? Yeah. But highly probable. They're are only so many Eric Hoffers.
It started as a part time gig when they had time off as a McDonalds server or Walmart greeter. Nothing wrong with that. But please don't start lecturing me on Hobbes or de Montesquieu.
Places like RS are full of these people.
It started as a part time gig when they had time off as a McDonalds server or Walmart greeter. Nothing wrong with that. But please don't start lecturing me on Hobbes or de Montesquieu.
Places like RS are full of these people.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 12:57 PM (rQph1)
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I'm looking forward to giving a big "fuck you" to these people in 8 years in the event their guy wins the primary next time. Assuming any of them are still around by then, but the half-life of "Conservative" commentators in the Age of Trump seems to be measured in months rather than years.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 15, 2016 12:57 PM (KUaJL)
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Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2016 12:57 PM (lKyWE)
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In short, I was under the impression that conservatives actually believed things about free trade, balanced budgets, character and respect for constitutional rights. Then along came this campaign
"So in good conscience, because I believe in character and respect for Constitutional rights, I feel honor-bound to support Hillary."
Said no one, ever.
"So in good conscience, because I believe in character and respect for Constitutional rights, I feel honor-bound to support Hillary."
Said no one, ever.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 12:57 PM (SRKgf)
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By the way put me down with the "who??" brigade. Seriously who is this Skykes guy, he had radio show somewhere?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 12:57 PM (39g3+)
108
That perfect conservatism he talks about seems a lot like leftism.
Posted by: Decaf at December 15, 2016 12:58 PM (nogKi)
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I can't wait for Mark Belling of WISN to sink his teeth into this. Too bad he's off for a couple of days.
He gave Sykes his first radio gig as a sub for him years ago. There's always been a bit of creative tension between the two. Now it's out in the open.
Good!
He gave Sykes his first radio gig as a sub for him years ago. There's always been a bit of creative tension between the two. Now it's out in the open.
Good!
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 15, 2016 12:58 PM (lJW6d)
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The key word is "pugilistic". Heaven forbid that we should have a candidate that actually fights to win. Look, no one gives a damn about your "true principles" if they don't create jobs, keep the country safe and win elections. Americans are okay with the idea of being proud of this country and wanting to maintain the culture of the American people. Tue conservatives will sell you out for fake principles that benefit only the globalists.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 15, 2016 12:58 PM (QlyN5)
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Sykes -- a mover, a shaker, a big belly-acher
Sykes -- a mover, a shaker, a big belly-acher
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Gob-Smacked Rage Monkeys (Suck It, NR!) at December 15, 2016 12:58 PM (BK3ZS)
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8 The time for idealism is the primaries. The time for pragmatism is the general.
Trump was my least favorite republican candidate, but i voted against hillary in the general the only way i could. Romney was my last favorite last time around and somehow also got the nod, and I still did my duty in the general and voted against obama the only way i could
Posted by: Mst3k
This. All of this. I'll just add that the Dems have no trouble at all with pushing tribalism, but to #nevertrumpers, we should somehow rise above their quite effective strategy and just take it up the ole poop chute once more and lose with principles intact.
Or to quote Josey Wales:
Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.
Trump was my least favorite republican candidate, but i voted against hillary in the general the only way i could. Romney was my last favorite last time around and somehow also got the nod, and I still did my duty in the general and voted against obama the only way i could
Posted by: Mst3k
This. All of this. I'll just add that the Dems have no trouble at all with pushing tribalism, but to #nevertrumpers, we should somehow rise above their quite effective strategy and just take it up the ole poop chute once more and lose with principles intact.
Or to quote Josey Wales:
Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 15, 2016 12:58 PM (oZEJt)
Posted by: Kensington at December 15, 2016 12:59 PM (Cw3TC)
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Is Glenn Beck still around?
Posted by: eleven at December 15, 2016 12:59 PM (qUNWi)
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Wasn't he some supposed big force against Trump in WI in the primary?
Who cares? Why do these people think anyone is so concerned about the poopie they made in their pants. Just clean it up already.
Who cares? Why do these people think anyone is so concerned about the poopie they made in their pants. Just clean it up already.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2016 12:59 PM (GX63o)
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These people mostly come out of nowhere. Usually the first clue is their background which is usually not what you would believe some deep seated, well versed intellectual would come from. Possible? Yeah. But highly probable. They're are only so many Eric Hoffers.
It started as a part time gig when they had time off as a McDonalds server or Walmart greeter. Nothing wrong with that. But please don't start lecturing me on Hobbes or de Montesquieu.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 12:57 PM (rQph1)
Like that shithead from yesterday, who had mucked out stables and worked as a bus driver, which somehow uniquely qualified him to write agrammatical rants about flyover country ... from Detroit.
It started as a part time gig when they had time off as a McDonalds server or Walmart greeter. Nothing wrong with that. But please don't start lecturing me on Hobbes or de Montesquieu.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 12:57 PM (rQph1)
Like that shithead from yesterday, who had mucked out stables and worked as a bus driver, which somehow uniquely qualified him to write agrammatical rants about flyover country ... from Detroit.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 12:59 PM (SRKgf)
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Hillary Clinton wanted to go to war with Russia, imprison Christians for public professions of Christianity, and extend the vote to tens of millions of aliens to the point that her party would never lose another election.
Any vote for anyone other then Trump was a vote to extinguish the American republic.
Any vote for anyone other then Trump was a vote to extinguish the American republic.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 15, 2016 12:59 PM (X7E8f)
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What good is conservatism that Sykes and others like him prefer when it doesn't win elections and has no influence or power?
Posted by: Decaf at December 15, 2016 01:00 PM (nogKi)
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@107
The internets reveal he was born in Seattle and hosted a "conservative" talk radio show out of Wisconsin.
Not exactly a rocked ribbed pedigree.
The internets reveal he was born in Seattle and hosted a "conservative" talk radio show out of Wisconsin.
Not exactly a rocked ribbed pedigree.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2016 01:00 PM (3Xxpy)
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Is he a Jim Hightower clone?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2016 01:00 PM (IqV8l)
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Like penning angry rants on Twitter and comment sections to feel empowered when you are really just displaying your flaccid lunacy.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 12:46 PM (rQph1)
Hey! HEY!
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 12:46 PM (rQph1)
Hey! HEY!
Posted by: Moron feeling attacked at December 15, 2016 01:00 PM (kKHcp)
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This jerkoff is apparently unaware that there aren't enough free trade fundamentalist conservatives to win a fucking Presidential election.
We ran Romney in 2012 - a man with impeccable personal character (almost weirdly so - as if he was without passions), principles, and ticked off all or most orthodox conservative boxes and he lost miserably against a failing President. The Nation rejected this near-Platonic cardboard conservative.
Some of these assholes are just addicted to losing and preening about their "principles" that have no chance of being made policy due to the aforementioned losing. Your life isn't a cinematic tragedy where the hero's principles are vindicated after his sacrifice - you just lose, and lose some more, and the nation gets progressively distant and hostile to your principles with less of a chance of any meaningful return.
The best were the #NeverTrumpers who made a prior identity out of publicly fondling guns - yes, asshole, Hillary was no threat to the Second Amendment something something.
We ran Romney in 2012 - a man with impeccable personal character (almost weirdly so - as if he was without passions), principles, and ticked off all or most orthodox conservative boxes and he lost miserably against a failing President. The Nation rejected this near-Platonic cardboard conservative.
Some of these assholes are just addicted to losing and preening about their "principles" that have no chance of being made policy due to the aforementioned losing. Your life isn't a cinematic tragedy where the hero's principles are vindicated after his sacrifice - you just lose, and lose some more, and the nation gets progressively distant and hostile to your principles with less of a chance of any meaningful return.
The best were the #NeverTrumpers who made a prior identity out of publicly fondling guns - yes, asshole, Hillary was no threat to the Second Amendment something something.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at December 15, 2016 01:00 PM (y/9kR)
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 01:00 PM (ZM2xo)
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the PSA ends with: If you do this, I'll be your friend, which means a lot because I'm, you know, a big hollywood celery
(It actually ends with: "If you do this, you'll have my respect....my respect....my respect...my respect" repeated by all the actors appearing in the fake psa.)
They also tell electors they'll go down in history as heroes.
Propaganda, much? Tokyo fucking Rose, much??
the PSA ends with: If you do this, I'll be your friend, which means a lot because I'm, you know, a big hollywood celery
(It actually ends with: "If you do this, you'll have my respect....my respect....my respect...my respect" repeated by all the actors appearing in the fake psa.)
They also tell electors they'll go down in history as heroes.
Propaganda, much? Tokyo fucking Rose, much??
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:00 PM (75UO5)
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108 That perfect conservatism he talks about seems a lot like leftism.
Posted by: Decaf at December 15, 2016 12:58 PM (nogKi)
If only we had the right people ...
Posted by: Decaf at December 15, 2016 12:58 PM (nogKi)
If only we had the right people ...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:00 PM (SRKgf)
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Listening to the radio the other day, heard this:
Some say they voted for the lesser of two evils; that's always the case, unless Jesus Christ was running.
Some say they voted for the lesser of two evils; that's always the case, unless Jesus Christ was running.
Posted by: jim at December 15, 2016 01:00 PM (A0Ch9)
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Congratulations! You got it wrong. So did millions of other people, dimwit.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2016 01:01 PM (GX63o)
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65 My voice is tanned, rested and ready for that schmuck's time slot.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2016 12:42 PM (mbhDw)
I'd love to hear a morning drive time show with you and Vic.
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And get AlextheChick in on the team too. I listened to her latest podcast. Good radio voice!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2016 12:42 PM (mbhDw)
I'd love to hear a morning drive time show with you and Vic.
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And get AlextheChick in on the team too. I listened to her latest podcast. Good radio voice!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 15, 2016 01:01 PM (vbh+d)
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Old: Free mkts
New: "Retribution"
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When the other side has spent 8 years trying to destroy you, why are we supposed to ignore that?
New: "Retribution"
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When the other side has spent 8 years trying to destroy you, why are we supposed to ignore that?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 15, 2016 01:01 PM (X7E8f)
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This just isn't that complicated. I don't agree with many of Trumps policies and certainly didn't support him during the primaries. What the primaries are over and I was faced with a choice and I made the most sensible choice. That doesn't mean I will support all of Trump's policies nor that I will abstain from criticizing when he deserves it. Questions?
Posted by: Pep at December 15, 2016 01:01 PM (pHq/F)
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I guess he didn't notice the Retribution and Day to Day until now. Wow, such a brave stance. I guess he'll have to accept money to go on every liberal news outlet and lament this every freakin' day.
Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2016 01:01 PM (hJamr)
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108 That perfect conservatism he talks about seems a lot like leftism.
Posted by: Decaf at December 15, 2016 12:58 PM (nogKi)
Awful close, isn't it?
Posted by: Decaf at December 15, 2016 12:58 PM (nogKi)
Awful close, isn't it?
Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at December 15, 2016 01:01 PM (wq8Cl)
Posted by: Al Sharpton at December 15, 2016 01:01 PM (UD0Gq)
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One other interesting note about Charlie, his ex-wife is Diane Sykes, Federal Judge named by President Elect Donald J. Trump (gosh that sounds good to say) in his list of possible Supreme Court nominees.
Now wouldn't that be special. Heh, heh.
Now wouldn't that be special. Heh, heh.
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 15, 2016 01:01 PM (lJW6d)
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ACE, did you see the newest hollywood celery PSA??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RA0dzGTbjY
A bunch of cocksuckers telling the electors to disenfranchise tens of millions of voters.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (75UO5)
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Wow. The biggest take-away for me is how godawful Loretta Swit looks. Holy cow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RA0dzGTbjY
A bunch of cocksuckers telling the electors to disenfranchise tens of millions of voters.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (75UO5)
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Wow. The biggest take-away for me is how godawful Loretta Swit looks. Holy cow.
Posted by: bluebell at December 15, 2016 01:01 PM (sBOL1)
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Yeah...pretty sure alot of these nevertrumpers were just trying to make their bones the cycle.
Entrepreneurial move. Nothing else.
Entrepreneurial move. Nothing else.
Posted by: eleven at December 15, 2016 01:01 PM (qUNWi)
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My lunacy isn't flaccid, it's ROCK HARD!
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at December 15, 2016 01:02 PM (RD7QR)
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(It actually ends with: "If you do this, you'll have my respect....my respect....my respect...my respect" repeated by all the actors appearing in the fake psa.)
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:00 PM (75UO5)
As keenly as I desire the respect of whores, faggots, Commies and druggies, I'll have to struggle along with their respect.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:00 PM (75UO5)
As keenly as I desire the respect of whores, faggots, Commies and druggies, I'll have to struggle along with their respect.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:02 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 15, 2016 01:02 PM (lJW6d)
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Who the hell is Charlie Sykes?
Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2016 01:02 PM (zoehZ)
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"118 What good is conservatism that Sykes and others like him prefer when it doesn't win elections and has no influence or power?"
They prefer money. He sees a lucratuve opening for ant-Trump "conservatives" for the next four years. Oh, and going on National Review cruises
They prefer money. He sees a lucratuve opening for ant-Trump "conservatives" for the next four years. Oh, and going on National Review cruises
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2016 01:03 PM (OD2ni)
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One down, Glen Beck to go.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2016 01:03 PM (MYX5P)
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Also, this morning, Sykes was taking congratulatory phone calls from the likes of George Will.
Sheesh, just go away!
Sheesh, just go away!
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 15, 2016 01:03 PM (lJW6d)
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So is Charlie Sykes a lifelong resident of Detroit and a keen observer of the human condition and the world of politics?
Posted by: Muldoon at December 15, 2016 01:03 PM (wPiJc)
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Wow. The biggest take-away for me is how godawful Loretta Swit looks. Holy cow.
Yeesh. Even Tina Louise must be thinking, "At least I'm not THAT bad!"
Yeesh. Even Tina Louise must be thinking, "At least I'm not THAT bad!"
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 15, 2016 01:04 PM (X6fMO)
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As keenly as I desire the respect of whores, faggots, Commies and druggies, I'll have to struggle along with their respect.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:02 PM
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They're a mess all right. I know I was supposed to recognize them, but most of them, I didn't. The only ones I did don't look anything like they ought to.
I'm looking at you, Loretta Swit. Ouch.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:02 PM
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They're a mess all right. I know I was supposed to recognize them, but most of them, I didn't. The only ones I did don't look anything like they ought to.
I'm looking at you, Loretta Swit. Ouch.
Posted by: bluebell at December 15, 2016 01:04 PM (sBOL1)
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Me: Oh no, we've lost Charlie Sykes.
Literally (Joe Biden literally) the rest of the world:who?
Literally (Joe Biden literally) the rest of the world:who?
Posted by: Farmer Bob at December 15, 2016 01:04 PM (pp9SN)
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Charlie Sykes is a silly little bitch.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 15, 2016 01:04 PM (xeeHA)
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As I said: In the New York Times. Because of course. That's where all "conservatives" go to slander actual conservatives.
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Thanks, Ace, for mentioning this. Along with that faithless elector, the paths for such are well-worn to the front doors of the NYT and the Washington Post.
OTOH, when conservative warriors refuse to play that game, they're often treated like they treated Mark Steyn and Boris Johnson a few years back, as enemies.
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Thanks, Ace, for mentioning this. Along with that faithless elector, the paths for such are well-worn to the front doors of the NYT and the Washington Post.
OTOH, when conservative warriors refuse to play that game, they're often treated like they treated Mark Steyn and Boris Johnson a few years back, as enemies.
Posted by: mrp at December 15, 2016 01:04 PM (JBggj)
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wut??
Posted by: flaccid looney at December 15, 2016 01:05 PM (qUNWi)
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Debra Messing, whose career is pretty much over, is only doing this for attention. She and her publicist (in my opinion) started a rumor after her first appearance in one of these stupid psa's that her old terrible show Will & Grace was rumored to be brought back because of the renewed interest in gay guys and in Debra Messing.
Debra Messing, whose career is pretty much over, is only doing this for attention. She and her publicist (in my opinion) started a rumor after her first appearance in one of these stupid psa's that her old terrible show Will & Grace was rumored to be brought back because of the renewed interest in gay guys and in Debra Messing.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:05 PM (75UO5)
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ACE, did you see the newest hollywood celery PSA??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RA0dzGTbjY
A bunch of cocksuckers telling the electors to disenfranchise tens of millions of voters.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (75UO5)
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Wow. The biggest take-away for me is how godawful Loretta Swit looks. Holy cow.
Posted by: bluebell at December 15, 2016 01:01 PM (sBOL1)
That talking soccer ball was Loretta Swit?! Let this be a lesson to you ladies. Age gracefully.
ACE, did you see the newest hollywood celery PSA??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RA0dzGTbjY
A bunch of cocksuckers telling the electors to disenfranchise tens of millions of voters.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (75UO5)
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Wow. The biggest take-away for me is how godawful Loretta Swit looks. Holy cow.
Posted by: bluebell at December 15, 2016 01:01 PM (sBOL1)
That talking soccer ball was Loretta Swit?! Let this be a lesson to you ladies. Age gracefully.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2016 01:05 PM (GX63o)
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And observation:
1) Trump won
2) Trump's platform was decidedly not conservative.
One can be both simultaneously glad that Hillary lost but also wonder if conservatism also lost too. Indeed, I've written before that there is no conservative base, Trump's win makes me think that even more.
But hey, y'all are creating a new party so...whatever.
1) Trump won
2) Trump's platform was decidedly not conservative.
One can be both simultaneously glad that Hillary lost but also wonder if conservatism also lost too. Indeed, I've written before that there is no conservative base, Trump's win makes me think that even more.
But hey, y'all are creating a new party so...whatever.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at December 15, 2016 01:05 PM (dzmBR)
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By the way, Sykes will soon be collecting royalties for the new book he's writing: How the Right Lost Its Mind.
I'm sure this literary masterpiece will rank right up there with Jharles Chonson's "Why I Parted Ways With the Right."
I'm sure this literary masterpiece will rank right up there with Jharles Chonson's "Why I Parted Ways With the Right."
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 15, 2016 01:05 PM (ul9CR)
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Or to quote Josey Wales:Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 15, 2016 12:58 PM (oZEJt)
Or
Are you going to pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?
Or to quote Josey Wales:Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 15, 2016 12:58 PM (oZEJt)
Or
Are you going to pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2016 01:05 PM (lKyWE)
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Loretta Swit was rough road even in her prime.
Posted by: flaccid looney at December 15, 2016 01:06 PM (qUNWi)
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Some say they voted for the lesser of two evils; that's always the case, unless Jesus Christ was running.
Posted by: jim at December 15, 2016 01:00 PM (A0Ch9)
Even then, what was His fiscal policy? I believe there was that incident with the moneychangers. Where does He stand on global warming? Would He care if the seas rose, when He could just walk across them? What about His tax policy? "Render unto Caesar" sounds like a tax and spend policy. And on defense? "Turn the other cheek?" We need a more muscular defense policy than that.
If only we had the perfect candidate ...
Posted by: jim at December 15, 2016 01:00 PM (A0Ch9)
Even then, what was His fiscal policy? I believe there was that incident with the moneychangers. Where does He stand on global warming? Would He care if the seas rose, when He could just walk across them? What about His tax policy? "Render unto Caesar" sounds like a tax and spend policy. And on defense? "Turn the other cheek?" We need a more muscular defense policy than that.
If only we had the perfect candidate ...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:06 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 15, 2016 01:06 PM (ul9CR)
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We don't need the never-Trumpers. FFS, even Mitt seems to acknowledge the error of his ways.
Trump is re-branding the R party, which always had a clubbish classist tinge that limited its brand appeal.
If Trump has an effective first term I can see lots more minorities and disaffected others in the D party switching sides. Because at the national level, the D Party is now about promoting the interests of The Borg above all else.
Trump is re-branding the R party, which always had a clubbish classist tinge that limited its brand appeal.
If Trump has an effective first term I can see lots more minorities and disaffected others in the D party switching sides. Because at the national level, the D Party is now about promoting the interests of The Borg above all else.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2016 01:06 PM (SIY7D)
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Loretta Swit was never very attractive to me
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:06 PM (39g3+)
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Some say they voted for the lesser of two evils; that's always the case, unless Jesus Christ was running.
Or the evil of two lessers.
Some say they voted for the lesser of two evils; that's always the case, unless Jesus Christ was running.
Or the evil of two lessers.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2016 01:06 PM (IqV8l)
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Just curious ... why are you giving this asshole the exposure? I dob't read the dead, gray lady because she's full of shit, cover to cover, day in and day out. If some delusional faux conservative needs to void his bowels there, let him have his 15 minutes of wallow time without smearing it on me, please.
Enough of this "Trump is not my president" crybaby nonsense. On with America!
Enough of this "Trump is not my president" crybaby nonsense. On with America!
Posted by: Fred Baumann at December 15, 2016 01:06 PM (hQn9O)
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"Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 12:59 PM (SRKgf)"
Precisely.
I always ask myself "who are these people and why should I read their musings.
Today anybody can get a platform. Heck if their point of view is twisted enough to fit someone's agenda or keep the echo chamber going it gets national coverage.
I suppose what's always bothered me is that some people don't understand compromise. That's understandable given how we have ended up with some of these deals cut in Washington. But it was about the type of compromise. It was never about whether we compromise at all. That take no prisoners my way or nothing else tact has never worked in our history. But they kept pushing it and then moved the goalposts when something was accomplished. You never win like that. And if anything that was the aim of many trucons.
Precisely.
I always ask myself "who are these people and why should I read their musings.
Today anybody can get a platform. Heck if their point of view is twisted enough to fit someone's agenda or keep the echo chamber going it gets national coverage.
I suppose what's always bothered me is that some people don't understand compromise. That's understandable given how we have ended up with some of these deals cut in Washington. But it was about the type of compromise. It was never about whether we compromise at all. That take no prisoners my way or nothing else tact has never worked in our history. But they kept pushing it and then moved the goalposts when something was accomplished. You never win like that. And if anything that was the aim of many trucons.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 01:07 PM (rQph1)
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You rubes here are not intelligent enough to appreciate Mr. Sykes. This is why Tump will lose big as the undecideds are breaking for Hillary and it will be an early night.
Posted by: Bull Wynn at December 15, 2016 01:07 PM (OD2ni)
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OT:
http://tinyurl.com/j5l7lty
Another Appeals Court Vacancy
It was never SCOTUS that moved me towards Trump as much as the idea of the lower courts. The lower courts are the bench for the Supreme Court. Without a Trump win we'd be looking at 12 years, at least, of Obama and Clinton having fairly free reign to appoint at that level meaning that SCOTUS might not just have been gone for a generation, but the entire judiciary branch would be beyond our reach for possibly even longer.
Now, with Trump's apparent, "I'm letting Mike Pence have a large hand in choosing nominees and F Democrats" attitude, we may be able to see the lower courts filled out with more Clarence Thomas'.
http://tinyurl.com/j5l7lty
Another Appeals Court Vacancy
It was never SCOTUS that moved me towards Trump as much as the idea of the lower courts. The lower courts are the bench for the Supreme Court. Without a Trump win we'd be looking at 12 years, at least, of Obama and Clinton having fairly free reign to appoint at that level meaning that SCOTUS might not just have been gone for a generation, but the entire judiciary branch would be beyond our reach for possibly even longer.
Now, with Trump's apparent, "I'm letting Mike Pence have a large hand in choosing nominees and F Democrats" attitude, we may be able to see the lower courts filled out with more Clarence Thomas'.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:07 PM (5sBuX)
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As keenly as I desire the respect of whores, faggots, Commies and druggies, I'll have to struggle along with their respect.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:02 PM (SRKgf)
Yeah.... I'm really concerned about gaining the respect of those who Mouth others peoples writing for a living...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:02 PM (SRKgf)
Yeah.... I'm really concerned about gaining the respect of those who Mouth others peoples writing for a living...
Posted by: Don Q. at December 15, 2016 01:07 PM (qf6WZ)
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Oh my. Is that THE Charlie Sykes?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 15, 2016 01:07 PM (8ZskC)
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What Princess Charlie misses is that the time to fight over 'true con' and personality was during the primaries. And we did fight. And we lost. (Seriously, I did not root for Trump for most of the run)
AFTER Trump won, it was either Trump or Hillary. The fact that Trump is getting more conservatives into office than Bush ever tried for is just icing on the cake. Sweet, sweet Gen. Mattis icing.
AFTER Trump won, it was either Trump or Hillary. The fact that Trump is getting more conservatives into office than Bush ever tried for is just icing on the cake. Sweet, sweet Gen. Mattis icing.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2016 01:07 PM (MYX5P)
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Posted by: Muldoon at December 15, 2016 12:51 PM (wPiJc)
You sir, are a treasure.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
*******
That probably explains why my mom was always trying to bury me in the back yard.
You sir, are a treasure.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
*******
That probably explains why my mom was always trying to bury me in the back yard.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 15, 2016 01:08 PM (wPiJc)
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Well this was an even more 'lesser of two evils' election than usual. It was awful vs unthinkable, and we got awful.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:08 PM (39g3+)
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"The conservative media is broken and the conservative movement deeply compromised."
This is great, actually. It allows the party which is out of power to tell itself that the party which holds the greatest number of local, state and national seats since the 1920's is the party in trouble - which is what they were telling themselves before the election.
"Those conservatives ripped themselves apart over Trump! Ha! Ha!" say the media people and party with no credibility or power outside of the blue islands they reside in.
Whatever makes you feel better, dearies.
This is great, actually. It allows the party which is out of power to tell itself that the party which holds the greatest number of local, state and national seats since the 1920's is the party in trouble - which is what they were telling themselves before the election.
"Those conservatives ripped themselves apart over Trump! Ha! Ha!" say the media people and party with no credibility or power outside of the blue islands they reside in.
Whatever makes you feel better, dearies.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (ZM2xo)
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Maybe the Hollywood types are right in one respect, just not the way they think; Hillary has electors, yet she us utterly unqualified to be president for the very reasons the Hollywood crowd suggests Trump is, and much, much, more. The Dem electors should vote for somebody else qualified.
Maybe the Hollywood types are right in one respect, just not the way they think; Hillary has electors, yet she us utterly unqualified to be president for the very reasons the Hollywood crowd suggests Trump is, and much, much, more. The Dem electors should vote for somebody else qualified.
Posted by: jim at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (A0Ch9)
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I welcome this. Yet, another turd floating to the top and flushed. At this rate we're going to need a bigger toilet.
Posted by: Octiparan at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (b9JGJ)
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Loretta Swit has done an ad for MASH on MeTV. Looks quite aged. Haven't seen it in a while.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (IqV8l)
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Loretta Swit was never very attractive to me
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:06 PM (39g3+)
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Yeah, well, she was Miss Universe compared to what she's done to herself now.
Her plastic surgeon should have his medical license revoked.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:06 PM (39g3+)
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Yeah, well, she was Miss Universe compared to what she's done to herself now.
Her plastic surgeon should have his medical license revoked.
Posted by: bluebell at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (sBOL1)
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I voted Trump because there were no circumstances under which I would ever vote for Hillary and if there was any teeny tiny thing I could do to make sure that Hillary wouldn't be President, which she will never be, then I would do that.
Gah. I am sick of fighting the primary wars over and over and over again especially since WE FUCKING WON the election oh dear God Almighty and All Of His Saints and Angels.
We. Damn. Won. Shut. Your. Whore. Mouths.
Here's something I am struggling with. We on the Right believe in the marketplace of ideas. Well. The Right had its chance to in the marketplace of the Republican side this election cycle and, not to put too fine a point on it, the more hardcore conservative ideas got curbstomped. We (I) lost that argument.
Isn't it more productive to sit down and shut up and try to figure out why before joining the Left in screeching stupid idiot racist homophobe bigots?
Just. You know. Tossing that out there.
Gah. I am sick of fighting the primary wars over and over and over again especially since WE FUCKING WON the election oh dear God Almighty and All Of His Saints and Angels.
We. Damn. Won. Shut. Your. Whore. Mouths.
Here's something I am struggling with. We on the Right believe in the marketplace of ideas. Well. The Right had its chance to in the marketplace of the Republican side this election cycle and, not to put too fine a point on it, the more hardcore conservative ideas got curbstomped. We (I) lost that argument.
Isn't it more productive to sit down and shut up and try to figure out why before joining the Left in screeching stupid idiot racist homophobe bigots?
Just. You know. Tossing that out there.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (mf5HN)
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I think it bears repeating what baseline Trump supporters have for his Presidency. If he tightens border security in a meaningful way, makes Supreme Court picks from the list he published early in the campaign, allows the economy to grow, and doesn't do anything else too stupid, we'll consider him a success (well, I will, anyway).
If you're anti-Trump and wonder why we're giving him such an easy list of goals, it's because Republican candidates have consistently failed to meet even that low set of expectations in the last 30 years.
If you're anti-Trump and wonder why we're giving him such an easy list of goals, it's because Republican candidates have consistently failed to meet even that low set of expectations in the last 30 years.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (KUaJL)
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>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RA0dzGTbjY
This is why you got Trump.
Martin Sheen being probably about the last person any GOP elector would want to be lectured by.
This is why you got Trump.
Martin Sheen being probably about the last person any GOP elector would want to be lectured by.
Posted by: JEM at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (TppKb)
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171 "The conservative media is broken and the conservative movement deeply compromised."
This is great, actually. It allows the party which is out of power to tell itself that the party which holds the greatest number of local, state and national seats since the 1920's is the party in trouble - which is what they were telling themselves before the election.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (ZM2xo)
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That depends on whether your priority is party or ideology.
This is great, actually. It allows the party which is out of power to tell itself that the party which holds the greatest number of local, state and national seats since the 1920's is the party in trouble - which is what they were telling themselves before the election.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (ZM2xo)
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That depends on whether your priority is party or ideology.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:10 PM (5sBuX)
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His idea of conservation was giving Hillary four or so lifetime SCOTUS appointments to engage in lawfare and law-creation for the next forty years (after which it wouldn't matter anymore).
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I'm pretty sure Loretta Swit washed my windshield with dirty newspapers and a spray bottle while I was waiting at the light to get onto the 10 eastbound at Robertson a few days ago.
She did a pretty good job.
She did a pretty good job.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 15, 2016 01:10 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Muldoon at December 15, 2016 01:10 PM (wPiJc)
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God. Heartbreaking story at the WSJ about the children of opioid crisis. What a national tragedy.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 01:10 PM (rQph1)
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MSM discovers strange new respect for Sykes in 5... 4... 3...
Posted by: Hipster Doofus at December 15, 2016 01:10 PM (zSMr0)
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Loretta Swit was never very attractive to me
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:06 PM
I never understood how she got the nickname "Hot Lips".
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:06 PM
I never understood how she got the nickname "Hot Lips".
Posted by: Lena at December 15, 2016 01:10 PM (DMUuz)
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Any vote for anyone other then Trump was a vote to extinguish the American republic.
That ship has sailed. What this election was about was whether we'll even have a country any longer, and it will stagger on a bit more.
That ship has sailed. What this election was about was whether we'll even have a country any longer, and it will stagger on a bit more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:10 PM (39g3+)
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Maybe the Hollywood types are right in one respect, just not the way they think; Hillary has electors, yet she us utterly unqualified to be president for the very reasons the Hollywood crowd suggests Trump is, and much, much, more. The Dem electors should vote for somebody else qualified.
Posted by: jim at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (A0Ch9)
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The whole time I was watching it, I was thinking, "They're describing Obama."
Posted by: jim at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (A0Ch9)
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The whole time I was watching it, I was thinking, "They're describing Obama."
Posted by: bluebell at December 15, 2016 01:11 PM (sBOL1)
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Debra Messing, whose career is pretty much over, is only doing this for attention. She and her publicist (in my opinion) started a rumor after her first appearance in one of these stupid psa's that her old terrible show Will & Grace was rumored to be brought back because of the renewed interest in gay guys and in Debra Messing.
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I never have been impressed or attracted by her. Christine Lahti, on the other hand, still has the MILF-ness going on. Shame she's a moonbat.
Debra Messing, whose career is pretty much over, is only doing this for attention. She and her publicist (in my opinion) started a rumor after her first appearance in one of these stupid psa's that her old terrible show Will & Grace was rumored to be brought back because of the renewed interest in gay guys and in Debra Messing.
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I never have been impressed or attracted by her. Christine Lahti, on the other hand, still has the MILF-ness going on. Shame she's a moonbat.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 15, 2016 01:11 PM (vbh+d)
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I like the conservative ideology in theory but only as long as it works. Free trade, for example. And I like some liberal ideas in theory, but only as long as they work. Being focused on helping people who need (emplasis on need) help, for example. I think Trump may be the perfect President for this country right now because like it or not he is a MODERATE who embraces ideas from both sides, is focused on a patriotic love of the USA and its citizens, and is an a/b testing machine who will not try to jam through unpopular legislation without a single vote from the other side and then pretend it's working great. He just seems more focused on practicality and patriotism than on an ideology to me, and as I said I think that's exactly what the doctor ordered.
We do no have the luxury of faith to an ideology right now. War clouds are still gathering. Much work to be done before it begins.
We do no have the luxury of faith to an ideology right now. War clouds are still gathering. Much work to be done before it begins.
Posted by: Chet Manly at December 15, 2016 01:11 PM (YcKif)
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Also, this morning, Sykes was taking congratulatory phone calls from the likes of George Will.
Sheesh, just go away!
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 15, 2016 01:03 PM (lJW6d)
How not coincidence that I pre-packaged those two preening douches in my comment above.
Sheesh, just go away!
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 15, 2016 01:03 PM (lJW6d)
How not coincidence that I pre-packaged those two preening douches in my comment above.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 15, 2016 01:11 PM (kKHcp)
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Wow, the Celebrity Fascists hauled out Talia Balsam? Way to pull out the heavy hitters.
Loved her in that Happy Days episode where Fonzie jumped the shark. Which was the height of her "career" as far as I'm concerned.
Loved her in that Happy Days episode where Fonzie jumped the shark. Which was the height of her "career" as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 15, 2016 01:11 PM (ul9CR)
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Trump's an anti-liberal. Good enough for me.
Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2016 01:11 PM (7HtZB)
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Oops old sock was on.
Posted by: Mx4 at December 15, 2016 01:12 PM (YcKif)
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Another one bites the dust? How long till Glenn Beck is nothing more than a coffee ring on the placemat? Will he flounce with the exuberance of an LGF escapee? Or will the creditors just shut the power off?
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at December 15, 2016 01:12 PM (7N6ox)
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Yeah sure he's quitting his show for personal reasons. Had Trump lost he totally wouldn't be planning a 4 year "I told you so! Now shut up you stupid Trump supporters and listen to me!" tirade on his show.
Absolute bullshit. Maybe his personal reason is that he was losing all his listeners and sponsors.
Absolute bullshit. Maybe his personal reason is that he was losing all his listeners and sponsors.
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2016 01:12 PM (bMG0w)
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Charles CW Cook called me a liar two days ago on twitter because he said that no, he did not support Hillary in his constant disparagement of Trump. He "wrote what he felt" (which I assume was a hard-on for Hillary).
Same exact shit.
Same exact shit.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:12 PM (6KgCk)
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The super conservative Charlie Sykes retweets stuff from Egg McMuffin. The tweet is a ways down.
https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie
https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 15, 2016 01:12 PM (tf9Ne)
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I think a lot of people lost sight of this idea about free markets.
For one thing they never existed. It's a utopian idea propagated in a book. There's always been some obstacle to a free market whether it's geography, tariffs, or just plain greed.
Also it got to the point where the idea of obtaining a free market became more important than anything else, as though it's value was independent of anything else in reality. Markets exist to serve people, they aren't an end in themselves. If they're not serving people, or actively hurting a large swath of people, than it's a problem.
For one thing they never existed. It's a utopian idea propagated in a book. There's always been some obstacle to a free market whether it's geography, tariffs, or just plain greed.
Also it got to the point where the idea of obtaining a free market became more important than anything else, as though it's value was independent of anything else in reality. Markets exist to serve people, they aren't an end in themselves. If they're not serving people, or actively hurting a large swath of people, than it's a problem.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2016 01:12 PM (4ErVI)
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There were a lot TruCons that were perfectly happy losing.
I guess they needed a new place to keep losing.
I guess they needed a new place to keep losing.
Posted by: Utopia at December 15, 2016 01:13 PM (KhyXS)
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107 By the way put me down with the "who??" brigade. Seriously who is this Skykes guy, he had radio show somewhere?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 12:57 PM (39g3+)
Milwaukee radio show host. No reason for you to have heard of him.
If a liberal talk show host in, say, Pittsburg, announced that he had had a revelation and turned conservative, do you think the NY Times would give him any ink?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 12:57 PM (39g3+)
Milwaukee radio show host. No reason for you to have heard of him.
If a liberal talk show host in, say, Pittsburg, announced that he had had a revelation and turned conservative, do you think the NY Times would give him any ink?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 01:13 PM (ZM2xo)
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Say, did this guy ever wash horses for minimum wage?
Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at December 15, 2016 01:13 PM (5kqPn)
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Who ?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:13 PM (0F67M)
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That was Loretta Swit? Wow. Holy cow is right!
Posted by: SpecialEd at December 15, 2016 01:13 PM (I9rXv)
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135 ACE, did you see the newest hollywood celery PSA??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RA0dzGTbjY
A bunch of cocksuckers telling the electors to disenfranchise tens of millions of voters.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (75UO5)
I'm with Dice. I had no idea whatsoever who most of those people were (although in truth I wouldn't care if I did know them).
And that was Loretta Swit? Good God. She's a walking medical malpractice lawsuit. One look at her mug and the jury will vote to hang her plastic surgeon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RA0dzGTbjY
A bunch of cocksuckers telling the electors to disenfranchise tens of millions of voters.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 12:49 PM (75UO5)
I'm with Dice. I had no idea whatsoever who most of those people were (although in truth I wouldn't care if I did know them).
And that was Loretta Swit? Good God. She's a walking medical malpractice lawsuit. One look at her mug and the jury will vote to hang her plastic surgeon.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:13 PM (SRKgf)
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Never heard of Charlie Sykes, but my favorite radio guy, Chris Plante is getting syndicated out from DC market to national market. He is THE BEST and an honarary moron. You guys are going to LUV him. No worries about that #trucon shit.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:14 PM (6KgCk)
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My favorite part of all this media whining over Trump is that nobody is more responsible for him being the President elect than the media. They gave him something like a billion dollars in free media during the primary because they were convinced he couldn't beat Hillary. And then he did.
You don't like Trump, media? Look in the mirror.
You don't like Trump, media? Look in the mirror.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 01:14 PM (/tuJf)
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I seem to remember you all on the AOSHQ podcast during the primary, guffawing about how Trump went on Sykes' show and got buzzsawed, mostly because Trump was woefully unprepared and didn't know Sykes was a Cruz supporter.
Credit where it's due, your views had since evolved in the face of a potential HRC primary. Guess we can't say the same for Sykes.
Credit where it's due, your views had since evolved in the face of a potential HRC primary. Guess we can't say the same for Sykes.
Posted by: Fukuro at December 15, 2016 01:14 PM (ZhXgd)
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>>By the way, Sykes is getting a lot of positive tweets from, get this, NYT reporters and other hard-left liberals.
Ah, caught the McCain (and Kathleen Parker/Peggy Noonan/David Brooks/David Frum/John Huntsman) bug, has he?
Guess we know what his new career will include: conservative expert for one of the cable news channels who can be relied upon to bash Trump.
*yawn*
Ah, caught the McCain (and Kathleen Parker/Peggy Noonan/David Brooks/David Frum/John Huntsman) bug, has he?
Guess we know what his new career will include: conservative expert for one of the cable news channels who can be relied upon to bash Trump.
*yawn*
Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2016 01:14 PM (NOIQH)
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@ATC is right.
Bill Whittle had a good point, as he almost always does: successful presidental candidates need to be creatures of the popular culture. They need to be media savvy, need to be comfortable on camera, need to be likable*.
What we need is to find and promote and support a Conservative with Trump's media talents. Cuz that's what it takes to win in this era.
*I know Trump had high 'unlikable's but side by side with Hilary and most of the rest of the R candidates, he seemed more fun to listen to/be around.
Bill Whittle had a good point, as he almost always does: successful presidental candidates need to be creatures of the popular culture. They need to be media savvy, need to be comfortable on camera, need to be likable*.
What we need is to find and promote and support a Conservative with Trump's media talents. Cuz that's what it takes to win in this era.
*I know Trump had high 'unlikable's but side by side with Hilary and most of the rest of the R candidates, he seemed more fun to listen to/be around.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2016 01:14 PM (MYX5P)
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176 Here's something I am struggling with. We on the Right believe in the marketplace of ideas. Well. The Right had its chance to in the marketplace of the Republican side this election cycle and, not to put too fine a point on it, the more hardcore conservative ideas got curbstomped. We (I) lost that argument.
Isn't it more productive to sit down and shut up and try to figure out why before joining the Left in screeching stupid idiot racist homophobe bigots?
Just. You know. Tossing that out there.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (mf5HN)
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It's the difference between taking over a party and building one from the ground up. In one way, conservatives haven't taken over the party but they (we) have undermined the current power structure.
At the moment, that power is held in the hands of Donald Trump, but it won't be forever. If conservatives want to advance towards making the Republican Party a conservative party, then we need to realize that fighting Donald Trump is probably not the best way to do it. It would be continuing the interparty fights we've been having since at least 2010. It's fighting our Congress critters and our state houses to becoming more conservative.
Trump's brand of Republicanism will probably diminish along with him leaving office, unless we allow it to take over the lower power centers. Use Trump as a weapon against the current/previous establishment (and that tends to mean supporting him as much as possible) while making sure that the leadership ranks of the Republican Party continue to become more and more conservative. And, when Trump leaves, hopefully with an electorally stronger party in his wake, we'll be there as the de facto power.
That all requires helping Trump as much as possible now, though.
Isn't it more productive to sit down and shut up and try to figure out why before joining the Left in screeching stupid idiot racist homophobe bigots?
Just. You know. Tossing that out there.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (mf5HN)
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It's the difference between taking over a party and building one from the ground up. In one way, conservatives haven't taken over the party but they (we) have undermined the current power structure.
At the moment, that power is held in the hands of Donald Trump, but it won't be forever. If conservatives want to advance towards making the Republican Party a conservative party, then we need to realize that fighting Donald Trump is probably not the best way to do it. It would be continuing the interparty fights we've been having since at least 2010. It's fighting our Congress critters and our state houses to becoming more conservative.
Trump's brand of Republicanism will probably diminish along with him leaving office, unless we allow it to take over the lower power centers. Use Trump as a weapon against the current/previous establishment (and that tends to mean supporting him as much as possible) while making sure that the leadership ranks of the Republican Party continue to become more and more conservative. And, when Trump leaves, hopefully with an electorally stronger party in his wake, we'll be there as the de facto power.
That all requires helping Trump as much as possible now, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:15 PM (5sBuX)
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I have something that I have been pondering with regards to the SCOTUS.
The constitution provides for the creation, and selection process of the it's members but does not say how many justices there should be.
Could Congress reduce the number to zero and then further circumscribe judicial review among the inferior courts?
The constitution provides for the creation, and selection process of the it's members but does not say how many justices there should be.
Could Congress reduce the number to zero and then further circumscribe judicial review among the inferior courts?
Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2016 01:15 PM (3Xxpy)
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>>>>133 >> Like penning angry rants on Twitter
He talkin' about yo Bitch, Ace!
Posted by: Al Sharpton
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I didn't imagine that here of all places I'd have to explain that sometimes you just gotta grab a bitch by the mish.
He talkin' about yo Bitch, Ace!
Posted by: Al Sharpton
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I didn't imagine that here of all places I'd have to explain that sometimes you just gotta grab a bitch by the mish.
Posted by: ace at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (8rNrN)
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Milwaukee radio show host. No reason for you to have heard of him.
I just don't want to go all Charles Gibson here. Lately it seems like I've never heard of most of the people mentioned prominently. I know I'm kind of out of the loop but it keeps piling up.
I just don't want to go all Charles Gibson here. Lately it seems like I've never heard of most of the people mentioned prominently. I know I'm kind of out of the loop but it keeps piling up.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at December 15, 2016 01:05 PM
The vast bulk of voters on both sides are non-ideological. The idea that was conservatism in the US from roughly 1980-2015 simply ceased to be useful, so it's been abandoned by all those whose careers weren't tied to it. And because of how tribal identification works, people will not feel like they've changed a thing - people who identified strongly with free market absolutism will identify strongly with nationalism, and believe they always have.
The vast bulk of voters on both sides are non-ideological. The idea that was conservatism in the US from roughly 1980-2015 simply ceased to be useful, so it's been abandoned by all those whose careers weren't tied to it. And because of how tribal identification works, people will not feel like they've changed a thing - people who identified strongly with free market absolutism will identify strongly with nationalism, and believe they always have.
Posted by: a phoenician sailor at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (uEmgg)
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Never heard of Charlie Sykes, but my favorite radio guy, Chris Plante is getting syndicated out from DC market to national market. He is THE BEST and an honarary moron. You guys are going to LUV him. No worries about that #trucon shit.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:14 PM (6KgCk)
Hung out with him and his better half a couple of times. He is truly awesome as they come. And I have heard callers use 'SCOAMF' multiple times.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:14 PM (6KgCk)
Hung out with him and his better half a couple of times. He is truly awesome as they come. And I have heard callers use 'SCOAMF' multiple times.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (4b0RA)
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203 That was Loretta Swit? Wow. Holy cow is right!
Posted by: SpecialEd at December 15, 2016 01:13 PM (I9rXv)
She turned herself into a horror show.
Posted by: SpecialEd at December 15, 2016 01:13 PM (I9rXv)
She turned herself into a horror show.
Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (7HtZB)
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Also, can we stop pretending "free trade" was this huge, unifying feature of conservatism?
Posted by: Utopia at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (KhyXS)
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Rush just mentioned Kimberly Guilfoyle as possible press secretary and some talk about how Team Trump in thinking of overturning the current media model.
One thing is to do away with the TV cameras and any cameras in the WH press room. I love it. That will give them no reason to try to perform for the camera.
Rush just mentioned Kimberly Guilfoyle as possible press secretary and some talk about how Team Trump in thinking of overturning the current media model.
One thing is to do away with the TV cameras and any cameras in the WH press room. I love it. That will give them no reason to try to perform for the camera.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (DW+jj)
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That final tweet- you can't just deal with these matters by tweeting some stupid "catchy" epigram. That is an evasion. It causes me to wince like he just took a crap in front of my nose. Never heard of this imbecile before and will continue to ignore him.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (mBYZv)
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Could Congress reduce the number to zero and then further circumscribe judicial review among the inferior courts?
The constitution requires the creation of a Supreme Court, so no. It could, in theory, reduce the number of justices to 1 however.
The constitution requires the creation of a Supreme Court, so no. It could, in theory, reduce the number of justices to 1 however.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (39g3+)
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195 Yeah sure he's quitting his show for personal reasons. Had Trump lost he totally wouldn't be planning a 4 year "I told you so! Now shut up you stupid Trump supporters and listen to me!" tirade on his show. "
Yep. I really think some #NeverTrumpers felt almost as bad as Dems the day after the election.
They had really been looking forward to blaming us for every evil thing Hillary did. "If it wasn't for you Trump voting fools, we would have Jeb or Marco or Ted in right now and everything would be beautiful! YOU ruined the country and the party!"
No, we ruined their party.
Yep. I really think some #NeverTrumpers felt almost as bad as Dems the day after the election.
They had really been looking forward to blaming us for every evil thing Hillary did. "If it wasn't for you Trump voting fools, we would have Jeb or Marco or Ted in right now and everything would be beautiful! YOU ruined the country and the party!"
No, we ruined their party.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 01:17 PM (ZM2xo)
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His ex is a Supreme Court candidate. Sykes is just doing what Andrew Sullivan did and Beck is lining up to do.
Posted by: ejo at December 15, 2016 01:17 PM (il4FI)
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Conservative is old hat anyway
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 15, 2016 01:17 PM (kH4HS)
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Is Glenn Beck still around?
Posted by: eleven at December 15, 2016 12:59 PM (qUNWi)
Yeah, he seems to be more aimless than normal. Caught part of the show today and he had some homosexual guy on talking about, I believe, his visit to a Muslim country and how they are progressing in women's rights and slowly accepting homosexuality.
I'm not for harming homosexuals or in general discriminating against them. However, I'm not for normalizing it or saying it is some valid lifestyle. Just like I don't think normalizing single motherhood is good, or drug use, or alcoholism.
Posted by: eleven at December 15, 2016 12:59 PM (qUNWi)
Yeah, he seems to be more aimless than normal. Caught part of the show today and he had some homosexual guy on talking about, I believe, his visit to a Muslim country and how they are progressing in women's rights and slowly accepting homosexuality.
I'm not for harming homosexuals or in general discriminating against them. However, I'm not for normalizing it or saying it is some valid lifestyle. Just like I don't think normalizing single motherhood is good, or drug use, or alcoholism.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at December 15, 2016 01:17 PM (vPdas)
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People like Sykes are driven by ego. His platform filled that purpose until he was proven a fraud. Now that ship is sailing so to fill his egotistical needs he will become a useful idiot. Oh yeah and turncoat because now he is a liberals best friend and they can skim rocks at the rubes together.
There is no intellectual substance to someone like him. Just a Pavlovian desire to please his weak ego.
There is no intellectual substance to someone like him. Just a Pavlovian desire to please his weak ego.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 01:17 PM (rQph1)
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Absolute bullshit. Maybe his personal reason is that he was losing all his listeners and sponsors.
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2016 01:12 PM (bMG0w)
He wants to spend more time with his family
Absolute bullshit. Maybe his personal reason is that he was losing all his listeners and sponsors.
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2016 01:12 PM (bMG0w)
He wants to spend more time with his family
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2016 01:17 PM (lKyWE)
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Its sort of disappointing and disturbing watching people act like free trade was always BS anyway. If Obama had been the one pushing for sanctions and tariffs, everyone would be all George Will in here, decrying the protectionism.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:18 PM (39g3+)
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I was thinking Glenn Beck, Dana Loesch or Tony Katz. Never heard of this guy.
Posted by: Jew at December 15, 2016 01:18 PM (O6Ya2)
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I always thought squeeky Megan Mullally was eminently pokeable.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:18 PM (0F67M)
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The constitution provides for the creation, and selection process of the it's members but does not say how many justices there should be.
Could Congress reduce the number to zero and then further circumscribe judicial review among the inferior courts?
Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2016 01:15 PM (3Xxpy)
I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court would find that UnConstitutional....
Could Congress reduce the number to zero and then further circumscribe judicial review among the inferior courts?
Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2016 01:15 PM (3Xxpy)
I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court would find that UnConstitutional....
Posted by: Don Q. at December 15, 2016 01:18 PM (qf6WZ)
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Isn't it more productive to sit down and shut up and try to figure out why before joining the Left in screeching stupid idiot racist homophobe bigots?
Just. You know. Tossing that out there.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (mf5HN)
The most productive thing right now is to realize that a smaller, more accountable government that doesn't act like a vending machine isn't going to sell with voters...ever.
So either a) Start preparing for the fallout from that or b) place nice to mitigate whatever damage you can.
Frankly Ace is, wrong. It was not strictly binary: The third option was to realize that while Trump will mean less short term harm, the long-term harm level remains largely unchanged regardless of who had won (with the Caveat that Hillary might have sparked one or more wars.)
I took that option, I'm not ashamed of it. I decided to stop trying to figure out if the republic can be saved.
Just. You know. Tossing that out there.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 15, 2016 01:09 PM (mf5HN)
The most productive thing right now is to realize that a smaller, more accountable government that doesn't act like a vending machine isn't going to sell with voters...ever.
So either a) Start preparing for the fallout from that or b) place nice to mitigate whatever damage you can.
Frankly Ace is, wrong. It was not strictly binary: The third option was to realize that while Trump will mean less short term harm, the long-term harm level remains largely unchanged regardless of who had won (with the Caveat that Hillary might have sparked one or more wars.)
I took that option, I'm not ashamed of it. I decided to stop trying to figure out if the republic can be saved.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at December 15, 2016 01:18 PM (dzmBR)
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211 I have something that I have been pondering with regards to the SCOTUS.
The constitution provides for the creation, and selection process of the it's members but does not say how many justices there should be.
Could Congress reduce the number to zero and then further circumscribe judicial review among the inferior courts?
Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2016 01:15 PM (3Xxpy)
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That probably wouldn't survive a court challenge based on the idea that the Constitution explicitly calls for a SCOTUS, and zeroing it out goes against that mandate.
Also, the court would say no out of pure self preservation.
The constitution provides for the creation, and selection process of the it's members but does not say how many justices there should be.
Could Congress reduce the number to zero and then further circumscribe judicial review among the inferior courts?
Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2016 01:15 PM (3Xxpy)
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That probably wouldn't survive a court challenge based on the idea that the Constitution explicitly calls for a SCOTUS, and zeroing it out goes against that mandate.
Also, the court would say no out of pure self preservation.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:18 PM (5sBuX)
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218
Rush just mentioned Kimberly Guilfoyle as possible press secretary and some talk about how Team Trump in thinking of overturning the current media model.
One thing is to do away with the TV cameras and any cameras in the WH press room. I love it. That will give them no reason to try to perform for the camera.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (DW+jj)
I'm opposed to anything that takes Kimberly away from The Leg Chair.
Rush just mentioned Kimberly Guilfoyle as possible press secretary and some talk about how Team Trump in thinking of overturning the current media model.
One thing is to do away with the TV cameras and any cameras in the WH press room. I love it. That will give them no reason to try to perform for the camera.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (DW+jj)
I'm opposed to anything that takes Kimberly away from The Leg Chair.
Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2016 01:19 PM (7HtZB)
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And observation:
1) Trump won
2) Trump's platform was decidedly not conservative.
One can be both simultaneously glad that Hillary lost but also wonder if conservatism also lost too. Indeed, I've written before that there is no conservative base, Trump's win makes me think that even more.
But hey, y'all are creating a new party so...whatever.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at December 15, 2016 01:05 PM (dzmBR)
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Sykes mentioned among other things free trade and the gall of people to actually want a border wall.
On some issues, like entitlement reform, Trump really ran like a lefty. But quite tellingly, I havent seen Sykes saying anything about that. Instead he throws around lefty buzzwords like "nativist" and complaints that the right actually has the gall to want to get serious on immigration.
On this stuff Trump certainly is closer to Calvin Coolidge and conservatism than the Kempists like Ryan and Sykes.
1) Trump won
2) Trump's platform was decidedly not conservative.
One can be both simultaneously glad that Hillary lost but also wonder if conservatism also lost too. Indeed, I've written before that there is no conservative base, Trump's win makes me think that even more.
But hey, y'all are creating a new party so...whatever.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at December 15, 2016 01:05 PM (dzmBR)
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Sykes mentioned among other things free trade and the gall of people to actually want a border wall.
On some issues, like entitlement reform, Trump really ran like a lefty. But quite tellingly, I havent seen Sykes saying anything about that. Instead he throws around lefty buzzwords like "nativist" and complaints that the right actually has the gall to want to get serious on immigration.
On this stuff Trump certainly is closer to Calvin Coolidge and conservatism than the Kempists like Ryan and Sykes.
Posted by: Nurse Ratched at December 15, 2016 01:19 PM (FDqSd)
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I didn't imagine that here of all places I'd have to explain that sometimes you just gotta grab a bitch by the mish.
Posted by: ace at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (8rNrN)
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BBQ potato chip now lodged in my nose. owwww
Posted by: ace at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (8rNrN)
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BBQ potato chip now lodged in my nose. owwww
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 15, 2016 01:19 PM (mf5HN)
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"If it wasn't for you Trump voting fools, we would have Jeb or Marco or Ted in right now and everything would be beautiful! YOU ruined the country and the party!"
Oh yeah I'm sure at least some of them had columns all written up with blank spaces for details.
Oh yeah I'm sure at least some of them had columns all written up with blank spaces for details.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:19 PM (39g3+)
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>> I voted Trump because there were no
>> circumstances under which I would ever vote for
>> Hillary and if there was any teeny tiny thing I
>> could do to make sure that Hillary wouldn't be
>> President, which she will never be, then I would
>> do that.
That.
>> Here's something I am struggling with. We on the
>> Right believe in the marketplace of ideas. Well.
>> The Right had its chance to in the marketplace of
>> the Republican side this election cycle and, not to
>> put too fine a point on it, the more hardcore
>> conservative ideas got curbstomped. We (I) lost
>> that argument.
Yes and no.
I think Trump PRIORITIZED the issues correctly and gave voters a couple big things to hang onto. Immigration, trade, energy.
>> circumstances under which I would ever vote for
>> Hillary and if there was any teeny tiny thing I
>> could do to make sure that Hillary wouldn't be
>> President, which she will never be, then I would
>> do that.
That.
>> Here's something I am struggling with. We on the
>> Right believe in the marketplace of ideas. Well.
>> The Right had its chance to in the marketplace of
>> the Republican side this election cycle and, not to
>> put too fine a point on it, the more hardcore
>> conservative ideas got curbstomped. We (I) lost
>> that argument.
Yes and no.
I think Trump PRIORITIZED the issues correctly and gave voters a couple big things to hang onto. Immigration, trade, energy.
Posted by: JEM at December 15, 2016 01:19 PM (TppKb)
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Sykes should run for office himself if he's got such great ideas. Instead, he's just going to run his mouth off.
Typical
Typical
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 15, 2016 01:19 PM (lJW6d)
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Anyone remember Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs?
That's all these people are. Charles Johnsons.
That's all these people are. Charles Johnsons.
Posted by: Jason M at December 15, 2016 01:19 PM (S1+dw)
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I like Dana Loesch. She's hot, likes guns.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2016 01:20 PM (MYX5P)
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211 I have something that I have been pondering with regards to the SCOTUS.
The constitution provides for the creation, and selection process of the it's members but does not say how many justices there should be.
Could Congress reduce the number to zero and then further circumscribe judicial review among the inferior courts?
Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2016 01:15 PM (3Xxpy)
Don't think so. Congress doesn't have any control over the total number of justices on the SC, except that the actual people need to be approved by the senate. They'd still need to impeach (successfully) the 8 sitting justices.
And the Constitution does explicitly say that there has to be a Supreme Court. The other branches of government can't just abolish it without a constitutional amendment.
The constitution provides for the creation, and selection process of the it's members but does not say how many justices there should be.
Could Congress reduce the number to zero and then further circumscribe judicial review among the inferior courts?
Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2016 01:15 PM (3Xxpy)
Don't think so. Congress doesn't have any control over the total number of justices on the SC, except that the actual people need to be approved by the senate. They'd still need to impeach (successfully) the 8 sitting justices.
And the Constitution does explicitly say that there has to be a Supreme Court. The other branches of government can't just abolish it without a constitutional amendment.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 15, 2016 01:20 PM (KUaJL)
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"In short, I was under the impression that conservatives actually believed things about free trade, balanced budgets, character and respect for constitutional rights. Then along came this campaign."
Not on his list: winning campaigns.
Not on his list: winning campaigns.
Posted by: West at December 15, 2016 01:20 PM (1Rgee)
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239 Anyone remember Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs?
That's all these people are. Charles Johnsons.
Posted by: Jason M at December 15, 2016 01:19 PM (S1+dw)
You can't be a Charles Johnson until you start posting shitty photos of oil tankers on the horizon.
That's all these people are. Charles Johnsons.
Posted by: Jason M at December 15, 2016 01:19 PM (S1+dw)
You can't be a Charles Johnson until you start posting shitty photos of oil tankers on the horizon.
Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2016 01:21 PM (7HtZB)
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ACE, did you see the newest hollywood celery PSA??
Is that what that was? I thought it was the cast of the new Love Boat.
Is that what that was? I thought it was the cast of the new Love Boat.
Posted by: tu3031 at December 15, 2016 01:21 PM (qJhUV)
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Frankly Ace is, wrong. It was not strictly binary: The third option was to realize that while Trump will mean less short term harm, the long-term harm level remains largely unchanged regardless of who had won (with the Caveat that Hillary might have sparked one or more wars.) ]/i]
I just can't wrap my mind around this.
I just can't wrap my mind around this.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:21 PM (0F67M)
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dammit
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:21 PM (0F67M)
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207 I seem to remember you all on the AOSHQ podcast during the primary, guffawing about how Trump went on Sykes' show and got buzzsawed, mostly because Trump was woefully unprepared and didn't know Sykes was a Cruz supporter.
Credit where it's due, your views had since evolved in the face of a potential HRC primary. Guess we can't say the same for Sykes.
Posted by: Fukuro at December 15, 2016 01:14 PM (ZhXgd)
Trump also has evolved since then. He didn't know jack about Wisconsin then but realized it was an important part of the "blue wall" and kept on coming back here - a state that went for Cruz in the primary and one where the polls NEVER showed him winning - and he kept plugging away at it. Hillary thought she had it in the bag and didn't even visit.
Credit where it's due, your views had since evolved in the face of a potential HRC primary. Guess we can't say the same for Sykes.
Posted by: Fukuro at December 15, 2016 01:14 PM (ZhXgd)
Trump also has evolved since then. He didn't know jack about Wisconsin then but realized it was an important part of the "blue wall" and kept on coming back here - a state that went for Cruz in the primary and one where the polls NEVER showed him winning - and he kept plugging away at it. Hillary thought she had it in the bag and didn't even visit.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 01:21 PM (ZM2xo)
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Could Congress reduce the number to zero and then further circumscribe judicial review among the inferior courts?
Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2016 01:15 PM (3Xxpy)
I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court would find that UnConstitutional....
Posted by: Don Q
How many divisions do they control?
Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2016 01:15 PM (3Xxpy)
I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court would find that UnConstitutional....
Posted by: Don Q
How many divisions do they control?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2016 01:21 PM (CJRaf)
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Anyone remember Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs?
That's all these people are. Charles Johnsons.
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I just stopped over to LGF for the first time in a decade.
It's hippie hate Trump land there. Couldn't even bring myself to click a story.
That's all these people are. Charles Johnsons.
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I just stopped over to LGF for the first time in a decade.
It's hippie hate Trump land there. Couldn't even bring myself to click a story.
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (g2nd/)
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>>I like Dana Loesch. She's hot, likes guns
Late at night, she comes to me and begs me to spank her ass until it turns all SuperBeet Red...
then, I wake up and realize that Red Eye is over and I should probably go to my actual bed.
Late at night, she comes to me and begs me to spank her ass until it turns all SuperBeet Red...
then, I wake up and realize that Red Eye is over and I should probably go to my actual bed.
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (UD0Gq)
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Joe, but Congress could change the number of Justice s an has several times. One Scalia?
Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (2RVmA)
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That was Loretta Swit? Damn, when I watched it I thought I was looking at Martin Sheen.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (wPiJc)
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>>What we need is to find and promote and support a Conservative with
Trump's media talents. Cuz that's what it takes to win in this era.
That's the thing, isn't it?
Trump was not my first choice at all, but he could deliver a smack-down to the DNC/MSM attacks like no other. For example, Cruz is an impressive debater (and conservative!) but I just can't imagine him *effectively* combating the type of crap thrown at a GOP presidential candidate nowadays.
One can hope that one of Trump's positive impacts will be that he teaches the GOP how to fight the Dems/media/entertainment/popular culture in the 21st century.
Trump's media talents. Cuz that's what it takes to win in this era.
That's the thing, isn't it?
Trump was not my first choice at all, but he could deliver a smack-down to the DNC/MSM attacks like no other. For example, Cruz is an impressive debater (and conservative!) but I just can't imagine him *effectively* combating the type of crap thrown at a GOP presidential candidate nowadays.
One can hope that one of Trump's positive impacts will be that he teaches the GOP how to fight the Dems/media/entertainment/popular culture in the 21st century.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (NOIQH)
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CNBC is all serious face over the Russians hacking the election. They have proof, proof I say, that Vlad personally led the hack invasion
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (493sH)
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"What we need is to find and promote and support a Conservative with Trump's media talents."
I don't know what Conservative means any more. It's no longer a coherent political philosophy, let alone a practical one for governing.
I get the idea of judges, especially SCOTUS judges, not being legislators with life tenure.
I used to believe in balanced budgets, but now I put not pissing money away, and not having Borg-directed crony capitalism, as higher priorities.
I don't know what Conservative means any more. It's no longer a coherent political philosophy, let alone a practical one for governing.
I get the idea of judges, especially SCOTUS judges, not being legislators with life tenure.
I used to believe in balanced budgets, but now I put not pissing money away, and not having Borg-directed crony capitalism, as higher priorities.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (SIY7D)
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Posted by: Nurse Ratched at December 15, 2016 01:19 PM (FDqSd)
Yeah I never got the idea that conservatism was incompatible with boarder security...
or immigration policy. (Oh which we have none, not "open boarders" we literally have no coherent policy at all.)
Indeed, I'm conservative and I'm highly pro-boarder security as a national issue, I'm more in the camp of "let's just pick an immigration policy ANY POLICY" right now on that front.
Yeah I never got the idea that conservatism was incompatible with boarder security...
or immigration policy. (Oh which we have none, not "open boarders" we literally have no coherent policy at all.)
Indeed, I'm conservative and I'm highly pro-boarder security as a national issue, I'm more in the camp of "let's just pick an immigration policy ANY POLICY" right now on that front.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (dzmBR)
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Hung out with him and his better half a couple of times. He is truly awesome as they come. And I have heard callers use 'SCOAMF' multiple times.Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (4b0RA)
Tres Awesome.
Not only is he solid-solid and agrees with me on everything (the mark of a truly brilliant individual) he is funny as hell. His asides have me bursting out loud laughing A LOT and I'm not that jolly.
Tres Awesome.
Not only is he solid-solid and agrees with me on everything (the mark of a truly brilliant individual) he is funny as hell. His asides have me bursting out loud laughing A LOT and I'm not that jolly.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (6KgCk)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (kfcYC)
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As a matter of the Style Guide, can we refer to instances of "outing oneself as not conservative in the New York Times" as "CACing"? I think *he* still thinks Trump blew Pennsylvania.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 15, 2016 01:23 PM (3J/LN)
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242 "In short, I was under the impression that conservatives actually believed things about free trade, balanced budgets, character and respect for constitutional rights. Then along came this campaign."
Not on his list: winning campaigns.
Posted by: West
When have we ever had free trade?
Not on his list: winning campaigns.
Posted by: West
When have we ever had free trade?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2016 01:23 PM (CJRaf)
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The Congress could pass, and the President could sign a bill stating that the Supreme Court of the United States shall consist of a Chief Justice.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:24 PM (0F67M)
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In short, I was under the impression that conservatives actually believed things about free trade, balanced budgets, character and respect for constitutional rights. Then along came this campaign.
He's right about all this. And that's what made this campaign season suck. But that's been true for the last 3 elections. Neither Romney nor McCain were big on free trade, balanced budgets, or constitutional rights. What they were big on was open borders and big government -- their big government.
And here's my problem with guys like this: they didn't have a problem with those previous two candidates, and blew a gasket on this one. McCain is no paragon of virtue. Romney invented Obamacare. Lets not act like this is a candidate too far.
It seems obvious to me that their concern is not conservatism, but the right sort of people. Trump is crass and crude and talks like a doofus (in public), he's unapologetic and worse comes from the wrong sort of people. He wasn't part of Skull and Bones, he didn't attend the right schools, he isn't one of the inner circle of people that the Right Sort approve of. He's not Chamber of Commerce approved.
You guys foisted turds on us in '08 and '12 and we ate the sandwich with a sickly grin. Eat this one. Eat it hard.
He's right about all this. And that's what made this campaign season suck. But that's been true for the last 3 elections. Neither Romney nor McCain were big on free trade, balanced budgets, or constitutional rights. What they were big on was open borders and big government -- their big government.
And here's my problem with guys like this: they didn't have a problem with those previous two candidates, and blew a gasket on this one. McCain is no paragon of virtue. Romney invented Obamacare. Lets not act like this is a candidate too far.
It seems obvious to me that their concern is not conservatism, but the right sort of people. Trump is crass and crude and talks like a doofus (in public), he's unapologetic and worse comes from the wrong sort of people. He wasn't part of Skull and Bones, he didn't attend the right schools, he isn't one of the inner circle of people that the Right Sort approve of. He's not Chamber of Commerce approved.
You guys foisted turds on us in '08 and '12 and we ate the sandwich with a sickly grin. Eat this one. Eat it hard.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:24 PM (39g3+)
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I just can't wrap my mind around this.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:21 PM (0F67M)
Anything that can't go on forever, won't.
The current trajectory in terms of government spending and entrenched bureaucracy can't go on forever.
Now I will also say, Trump's picks have given me a flicker of hope that maybe, just maybe things will move against that. But then he also campaigned on no changes to any of the safety net [hammock] so...yeah.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:21 PM (0F67M)
Anything that can't go on forever, won't.
The current trajectory in terms of government spending and entrenched bureaucracy can't go on forever.
Now I will also say, Trump's picks have given me a flicker of hope that maybe, just maybe things will move against that. But then he also campaigned on no changes to any of the safety net [hammock] so...yeah.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (dzmBR)
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10 By the way, Sykes will soon be collecting royalties for the new book he's writing: How the Right Lost Its Mind.
I bet it doesn't crack 27,000 on the Amazon rankings...
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent
I would say he's already collected everything he's going to collect. These assholes' book sales royalties never cover their advance, unless they have their state department buy them in bulk.
I bet it doesn't crack 27,000 on the Amazon rankings...
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent
I would say he's already collected everything he's going to collect. These assholes' book sales royalties never cover their advance, unless they have their state department buy them in bulk.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (kfcYC)
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As I have been arguing for some time now, there is no longer any consensus on what it means to be conservative.
Lots of people self-selecting their group as the One True Holders of Conservative Dogma.
Once upon a time the word liberal meant something on the left. It's pretty much meaningless now. So is conservative.
Find another word, people.
Lots of people self-selecting their group as the One True Holders of Conservative Dogma.
Once upon a time the word liberal meant something on the left. It's pretty much meaningless now. So is conservative.
Find another word, people.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)
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Trump's brand of Republicanism will probably diminish along with him leaving office, unless we allow it to take over the lower power centers. Use Trump as a weapon against the current/previous establishment (and that tends to mean supporting him as much as possible) while making sure that the leadership ranks of the Republican Party continue to become more and more conservative. And, when Trump leaves, hopefully with an electorally stronger party in his wake, we'll be there as the de facto power.
That all requires helping Trump as much as possible now, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:15 PM (5sBuX)
Yep. It may not be as daunting a task as one might think. Passage of laws on voter ID, right to work (without paying union dues), unbundling cable, removing the Hollywood tax cuts, and making "sanctuary cities" financially liable for crimes committed by those to whom they gave sanctuary - all perfectly doable legislatively, I suspect - would, along with a rebounding economy, pretty much geld the Democrat Party.
That all requires helping Trump as much as possible now, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:15 PM (5sBuX)
Yep. It may not be as daunting a task as one might think. Passage of laws on voter ID, right to work (without paying union dues), unbundling cable, removing the Hollywood tax cuts, and making "sanctuary cities" financially liable for crimes committed by those to whom they gave sanctuary - all perfectly doable legislatively, I suspect - would, along with a rebounding economy, pretty much geld the Democrat Party.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (SRKgf)
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On the subject of free trade...
Trump, like me, is for free trade. He says that every chance he gets.
The difference is that he and I know free trade needs to be fair trade. If we allow the goods of a country to be sold duty-free in the U.S., that country must allow the goods and services of the U.S. to be sold in their country - without duties, restrictions and other roadblocks designed to the make the trade one way.
Trump is correct in that the people we've had negotiating these agreements in the past have been idiot academics or campaign coffee boys made into assistant Secretaries of Commerce.
Trump, like me, is for free trade. He says that every chance he gets.
The difference is that he and I know free trade needs to be fair trade. If we allow the goods of a country to be sold duty-free in the U.S., that country must allow the goods and services of the U.S. to be sold in their country - without duties, restrictions and other roadblocks designed to the make the trade one way.
Trump is correct in that the people we've had negotiating these agreements in the past have been idiot academics or campaign coffee boys made into assistant Secretaries of Commerce.
Posted by: jwest at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (Zs4uk)
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They had really been looking forward to blaming us for every evil thing Hillary did. "If it wasn't for you Trump voting fools, we would have Jeb or Marco or Ted in right now and everything would be beautiful! YOU ruined the country and the party!"
No, we ruined their party.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 01:17 PM (ZM2xo)
You just know that there were several people here planning their "I told you so" comments. Maybe even had them all written up and ready to go. I hope they were watching that NYT site percentage and can imagine their faces getting sadder and sadder.
No, we ruined their party.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 01:17 PM (ZM2xo)
You just know that there were several people here planning their "I told you so" comments. Maybe even had them all written up and ready to go. I hope they were watching that NYT site percentage and can imagine their faces getting sadder and sadder.
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (bMG0w)
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I was thinking Glenn Beck, Dana Loesch or Tony Katz. Never heard of this guy.
I used to really like Dana. Did she ever come in out of the never Trump storm? It's going to be a loooong 8 years for nevertrumpers.
I used to really like Dana. Did she ever come in out of the never Trump storm? It's going to be a loooong 8 years for nevertrumpers.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (ty7RM)
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Find another word, people.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)
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Can we take back liberal?
Find another word, people.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)
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Can we take back liberal?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:26 PM (5sBuX)
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shining city on a hill ... they always have walls ... defensive walls.
"free markets" according to Friedman said the corporation/company only has responsibility to make a buck, from anywhere in the world. So "free trade" only means free access to slaves, polluters, currency manipulators, contaminated fish, etc.?
No sorry ... conflicting national interests are a concern to "true conservatives", and that does not happen magically by opening trade to China. It is not about "retribution", it is about stopping almost trillion a year trade deficits, which allows China and others to buy up our nation. Stopping such "invasion" is just basic defense.
America First ... don't people think America should come first? ... do we believe in our country? I thought only the far left wanted fundamental transformation, e.g. destruction. The global governance people are the uniparty ... it would seem.
"free markets" according to Friedman said the corporation/company only has responsibility to make a buck, from anywhere in the world. So "free trade" only means free access to slaves, polluters, currency manipulators, contaminated fish, etc.?
No sorry ... conflicting national interests are a concern to "true conservatives", and that does not happen magically by opening trade to China. It is not about "retribution", it is about stopping almost trillion a year trade deficits, which allows China and others to buy up our nation. Stopping such "invasion" is just basic defense.
America First ... don't people think America should come first? ... do we believe in our country? I thought only the far left wanted fundamental transformation, e.g. destruction. The global governance people are the uniparty ... it would seem.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2016 01:26 PM (LcUYB)
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I've been a Trump gal from the get go. Mostly because I have been disgusted with crop after crop of born and bred politicians. The trend of dynasties (Clintons/Bushes) has been alarming. I've never thought that America can or should be run like a business but that someone who had run a business should be at the helm. A bureaucrat will always be small minded. A Trump-level business person will alway reach for and expect the stars. If we land on a few moons along the way, fine by me. America is not supposed to be a sit around rearranging deck chairs and counting money kind of place. I'm looking forward to thinking in terms of excellence again.
Posted by: Russkilitlover at December 15, 2016 01:26 PM (Ca63E)
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Never heard of Charlie Sykes, but my favorite radio guy, Chris Plante is getting syndicated out from DC market to national market. He is THE BEST and an honarary moron. You guys are going to LUV him. No worries about that #trucon shit.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:14 PM (6KgCk)
Hung out with him and his better half a couple of times. He is truly awesome as they come. And I have heard callers use 'SCOAMF' multiple times.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (4b0RA)
Thanks for the heads up.
Never heard of Charlie Sykes, but my favorite radio guy, Chris Plante is getting syndicated out from DC market to national market. He is THE BEST and an honarary moron. You guys are going to LUV him. No worries about that #trucon shit.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:14 PM (6KgCk)
Hung out with him and his better half a couple of times. He is truly awesome as they come. And I have heard callers use 'SCOAMF' multiple times.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 15, 2016 01:16 PM (4b0RA)
Thanks for the heads up.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2016 01:26 PM (GX63o)
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266 Yep. It may not be as daunting a task as one might think. Passage of laws on voter ID, right to work (without paying union dues), unbundling cable, removing the Hollywood tax cuts, and making "sanctuary cities" financially liable for crimes committed by those to whom they gave sanctuary - all perfectly doable legislatively, I suspect - would, along with a rebounding economy, pretty much geld the Democrat Party.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (SRKgf)
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"We'll always have transgendered bathrooms, bigot."
-Nancy Pelosi, future of the Democratic Party
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (SRKgf)
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"We'll always have transgendered bathrooms, bigot."
-Nancy Pelosi, future of the Democratic Party
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:27 PM (5sBuX)
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251 Joe, but Congress could change the number of Justice s an has several times. One Scalia?
Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (2RVmA)
Yes, they have changed the number of justices on the court, but I don't think they do that by saying "The Supreme Court is now comprised of 9 justices" and then approving appointments to fill it up. The "size" of the supreme court is not a defined quantity, it's just all the justices that have been appointed and approved that are still alive and serving. Congress has only ever increased the size too. Justices have to be impeached, so even if tomorrow they were to say "the size is zero" then what happens to the 8 sitting justices? They don't stop being justices because congress said so.
I could be wrong, though.
Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (2RVmA)
Yes, they have changed the number of justices on the court, but I don't think they do that by saying "The Supreme Court is now comprised of 9 justices" and then approving appointments to fill it up. The "size" of the supreme court is not a defined quantity, it's just all the justices that have been appointed and approved that are still alive and serving. Congress has only ever increased the size too. Justices have to be impeached, so even if tomorrow they were to say "the size is zero" then what happens to the 8 sitting justices? They don't stop being justices because congress said so.
I could be wrong, though.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 15, 2016 01:27 PM (KUaJL)
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I left out real, no shit immigration reform.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:27 PM (SRKgf)
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Not only is he solid-solid and agrees with me on everything (the mark of a truly brilliant individual) he is funny as hell. His asides have me bursting out loud laughing A LOT and I'm not that jolly.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (6KgCk)
I haven't listened to him for awhile. Just schedule changes don't grant the opportunity. But he is hilarious and cuts libs like a frickin' hammer.
To clarify, I don't know him know him. When I was with him it was at political events but we talked for awhile. I forget the woman's name but she is/was a frequent caller. African American woman with a Hispanic husband. Met her as well.
Not only is he solid-solid and agrees with me on everything (the mark of a truly brilliant individual) he is funny as hell. His asides have me bursting out loud laughing A LOT and I'm not that jolly.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:22 PM (6KgCk)
I haven't listened to him for awhile. Just schedule changes don't grant the opportunity. But he is hilarious and cuts libs like a frickin' hammer.
To clarify, I don't know him know him. When I was with him it was at political events but we talked for awhile. I forget the woman's name but she is/was a frequent caller. African American woman with a Hispanic husband. Met her as well.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 15, 2016 01:27 PM (4b0RA)
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Yep. Exactly right.
Posted by: M240H at December 15, 2016 01:27 PM (CmB/r)
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If we did a PSA here at AoS...
it would go something like...
We all like boobs
...boobs
....boobs
....boobs.
And we all like food.
....food
....food
....food
If we did a PSA here at AoS...
it would go something like...
We all like boobs
...boobs
....boobs
....boobs.
And we all like food.
....food
....food
....food
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:27 PM (75UO5)
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#231
I took that option, I'm not ashamed of it. I decided to stop trying to figure out if the republic can be saved.
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I know how you feel. People felt like that during the Whiskey Rebellion, the 1800 Election, the Hartford Convention, the Nullification Crisis, The Great Big Rebellion of 1861, the Stock Market Crash of 1929, the whole frickin' year of 1968, Watergate, Jimmy Carter - Clinton Impeachment - Obama's Transformation.
We're still here and kickin' ass until the next screwup.
I took that option, I'm not ashamed of it. I decided to stop trying to figure out if the republic can be saved.
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I know how you feel. People felt like that during the Whiskey Rebellion, the 1800 Election, the Hartford Convention, the Nullification Crisis, The Great Big Rebellion of 1861, the Stock Market Crash of 1929, the whole frickin' year of 1968, Watergate, Jimmy Carter - Clinton Impeachment - Obama's Transformation.
We're still here and kickin' ass until the next screwup.
Posted by: mrp at December 15, 2016 01:27 PM (JBggj)
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As I have been arguing for some time now, there is no longer any consensus on what it means to be conservative.
There never was, remember the fights in here over Giuliani in '08? The fights over Terry Schiavo? There's always been a wide range of ideas and opinions. Some try to ala carte it, so they love free trade and small government, but stay out of my bedroom! Some prefer social conservatism but want the power of the government to enforce it.
Conservatism is pretty much just constitutionalism and a love of virtue the way the founding fathers saw it. That's never wrong and never gone.
There never was, remember the fights in here over Giuliani in '08? The fights over Terry Schiavo? There's always been a wide range of ideas and opinions. Some try to ala carte it, so they love free trade and small government, but stay out of my bedroom! Some prefer social conservatism but want the power of the government to enforce it.
Conservatism is pretty much just constitutionalism and a love of virtue the way the founding fathers saw it. That's never wrong and never gone.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:28 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (sRFAL)
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Ziiiiiiinnnnnggg!
That about sums up this story of Mr. Sykes.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2016 12:48 PM (sRFAL)
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Ziiiiiiinnnnnggg!
That about sums up this story of Mr. Sykes.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 15, 2016 01:28 PM (Nox3c)
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>>When have we ever had free trade?
When have we ever had border security?
I think far too often people judge based on the ideal outcome of their philosophy which never, ever happens. The focus should be on who is most likely to advance policies toward my desired outcome.
People who sit around and scream "He isn't conservative enough" are useless and miss the point entirely. Nobody ever gets exactly what they want in a democracy. Never happens. Not us, not even the left.
Trump is moving the ball back to the right on virtually every topic. That is about all you can realistically hope for. And with the people he is putting in his cabinet and his focus on the obvious deficiencies of our current free trade situation I have no doubt we will get a much better environment.
When have we ever had border security?
I think far too often people judge based on the ideal outcome of their philosophy which never, ever happens. The focus should be on who is most likely to advance policies toward my desired outcome.
People who sit around and scream "He isn't conservative enough" are useless and miss the point entirely. Nobody ever gets exactly what they want in a democracy. Never happens. Not us, not even the left.
Trump is moving the ball back to the right on virtually every topic. That is about all you can realistically hope for. And with the people he is putting in his cabinet and his focus on the obvious deficiencies of our current free trade situation I have no doubt we will get a much better environment.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 01:28 PM (/tuJf)
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Most of what the GOP was selling yesterday. Trump was selling tomorrow.
The GOPs list of principles sounded like a cheap commercial. It was a rote list they memorized and repeated like a mantra. I honestly don't think most of them believed it. And many of them proved it.
The online trucon crowd bought into most of the failed list and tried to hold people to its orthodoxy. That's a fail right there.
To me, Trumps election. Reminds me a lot of Reagan. I'm not saying he is, lest the trucons go zombie, but the circumstances feel similar.
The GOPs list of principles sounded like a cheap commercial. It was a rote list they memorized and repeated like a mantra. I honestly don't think most of them believed it. And many of them proved it.
The online trucon crowd bought into most of the failed list and tried to hold people to its orthodoxy. That's a fail right there.
To me, Trumps election. Reminds me a lot of Reagan. I'm not saying he is, lest the trucons go zombie, but the circumstances feel similar.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 01:28 PM (rQph1)
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For those joking that he's married to Wanda Sykes, the truth is funnier ... his ex-wife is Diane Sykes, one of the judges on Trump's Supreme Court shortlist!
Posted by: WI lurker at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (N07eA)
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Once upon a time the word liberal meant something on the left. It's pretty much meaningless now. So is conservative.
Find another word, people.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)
Constitutionalist?
Find another word, people.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)
Constitutionalist?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (SRKgf)
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If we did a PSA here at AoS...
it would go something like...
We all like boobs
...boobs
....boobs
....boobs.
And we all like food.
....food
....food
....food
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:27 PM (75UO5)
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But it's whiskey
...whiskey
...whiskey
That sustains us.
...sustains us.
...sustains us.
If we did a PSA here at AoS...
it would go something like...
We all like boobs
...boobs
....boobs
....boobs.
And we all like food.
....food
....food
....food
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:27 PM (75UO5)
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But it's whiskey
...whiskey
...whiskey
That sustains us.
...sustains us.
...sustains us.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (5sBuX)
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Ack! My Fitbit has been hacked by Russians! This morning it said "tantsevat"
Posted by: Bacon Jeff at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (VGRuw)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Gob-Smacked Rage Monkeys (Suck It, NR!) at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (BK3ZS)
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It seems obvious to me that their concern is not conservatism, but the right sort of people. Trump is crass and crude and talks like a doofus (in public), he's unapologetic and worse comes from the wrong sort of people. He wasn't part of Skull and Bones, he didn't attend the right schools, he isn't one of the inner circle of people that the Right Sort approve of. He's not Chamber of Commerce approved.
When the Wharton School of Business is no longer right....
When the Wharton School of Business is no longer right....
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (CJRaf)
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This is a stunning blow to conservatism.
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (Cw3TC)
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>>Find another word, people.
'Credenza'
I'll tell you this, I like the way it compliments the Davenport.
'Credenza'
I'll tell you this, I like the way it compliments the Davenport.
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (UD0Gq)
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"when have we ever had free trade?"
It seems like any agreement longer than one page would be written specifically to cut into freedoms, doesn't it?
It seems like any agreement longer than one page would be written specifically to cut into freedoms, doesn't it?
Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at December 15, 2016 01:30 PM (5kqPn)
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If we did a PSA here at AoS...
it would go something like...
We all like boobs
...boobs
....boobs
....boobs.
And we all like food.
....food
....food
....food
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:27 PM
You forgot guns.
....guns
....guns
....guns
it would go something like...
We all like boobs
...boobs
....boobs
....boobs.
And we all like food.
....food
....food
....food
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:27 PM
You forgot guns.
....guns
....guns
....guns
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2016 01:30 PM (p+Wdc)
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owowowowowowowowow
BBQ potato chip now lodged in my nose. owwww
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 15, 2016 01:19 PM (mf5HN)
Never snork your snacks.
BBQ potato chip now lodged in my nose. owwww
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 15, 2016 01:19 PM (mf5HN)
Never snork your snacks.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 01:30 PM (hLRSq)
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P T Barnum and Abe Lincoln were spot on
Posted by: undocumented illegal rube slayer at December 15, 2016 01:30 PM (e8kgV)
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I'm ashamed of my party!
Posted by: T. Coddington Van Vorhees at December 15, 2016 01:30 PM (Cw3TC)
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But it's whiskey
...whiskey
...whiskey
That sustains us.
...sustains us.
...sustains us.
This guy gets it.
But it's whiskey
...whiskey
...whiskey
That sustains us.
...sustains us.
...sustains us.
This guy gets it.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:30 PM (75UO5)
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I think there's a chance that Trump might gain more for conservatism than some actual conservatives would. Just because I can see him deciding a conservative policy is a good idea for whatever reason and forcing it through by force of will, and a conservative politician would be begging and compromising to get it through and it winds up being worthless and neutered from the compromises that they had to make.
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2016 01:31 PM (bMG0w)
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No matter how bad Mr. Trump was, my listeners argued, he could not possibly be as bad as Mrs. Clinton. You simply cannot overstate this as a factor in the final outcome.
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No problem with this formulation at all. I think it's right.
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No problem with this formulation at all. I think it's right.
Posted by: MTF at December 15, 2016 01:31 PM (X4ZNp)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2016 01:31 PM (CJRaf)
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>>owowowowowowowowow
BBQ potato chip now lodged in my nose. owwww
I am confident AtC will power through this nasal setback.
BBQ potato chip now lodged in my nose. owwww
I am confident AtC will power through this nasal setback.
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2016 01:31 PM (UD0Gq)
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But it's whiskey
...whiskey
...whiskey
That sustains us.
...sustains us.
...sustains us.
This guy gets it.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:30 PM (75UO5)
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Are you saying that there might be people who aren't drunk?
That's just unacceptable.
But it's whiskey
...whiskey
...whiskey
That sustains us.
...sustains us.
...sustains us.
This guy gets it.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:30 PM (75UO5)
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Are you saying that there might be people who aren't drunk?
That's just unacceptable.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:31 PM (5sBuX)
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Once upon a time the word liberal meant something on the left. It's pretty much meaningless now. So is conservative.
Find another word, people.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)
If "liberal" is free now, I'll take that one. Given the Left's success in their long march through institutions, there's not much in the current government worth conserving anyway, and we're closer to the classical definition of liberal anyway.
Find another word, people.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)
If "liberal" is free now, I'll take that one. Given the Left's success in their long march through institutions, there's not much in the current government worth conserving anyway, and we're closer to the classical definition of liberal anyway.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 15, 2016 01:31 PM (KUaJL)
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If only we had the perfect candidate ...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:06 PM (SRKgf)
Late to the party, but that was some good snark.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:06 PM (SRKgf)
Late to the party, but that was some good snark.
Posted by: tbodie at December 15, 2016 01:31 PM (/DNWp)
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Never snork your snacks.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 01:30 PM (hLRSq)
I know better than to consume anything whilst reading the comments, 'tis true.
Anyone want to use the puppets to explain to me how the CIA gets to refuse to provide a briefing to Congress?
Because my eye is doing that twitching thing again.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 01:30 PM (hLRSq)
I know better than to consume anything whilst reading the comments, 'tis true.
Anyone want to use the puppets to explain to me how the CIA gets to refuse to provide a briefing to Congress?
Because my eye is doing that twitching thing again.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 15, 2016 01:32 PM (mf5HN)
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Wait. The truncons were trying to grasp the brass ring pierced mish and failed. Or did I get that wrong?
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 01:32 PM (rQph1)
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"free markets" according to Friedman said the corporation/company only has responsibility to make a buck, from anywhere in the world. So "free trade" only means free access to slaves, polluters, currency manipulators, contaminated fish, etc.?
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Want to imagine a horrifying society? One where every expert is allowed to take the principles of their expertise to the extremes.
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Want to imagine a horrifying society? One where every expert is allowed to take the principles of their expertise to the extremes.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 01:32 PM (hLRSq)
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Was Charlie Sykes changing the hearts and minds of liberals as a so-called conservative?
Or was he more of the McCain ilk - saving most of his jabs for conservatives and Republicans and polishing his street cred as a "maverick"?
Or was he more of the McCain ilk - saving most of his jabs for conservatives and Republicans and polishing his street cred as a "maverick"?
Posted by: RM at December 15, 2016 01:32 PM (U3LtS)
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I love a martyred ape - yes I do! I love a martyred ape and so should you! I love martyred Harambe - boo hoo hoo!
Posted by: Do The Harambe! at December 15, 2016 01:32 PM (IXVaI)
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I really do not get the fast cut repeat thing that people use. Is that supposed to be emotionally compelling? OOH, they all said the same word! Do they think their viewers are mongoloid? Whahnt didhn hnee sayh?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:32 PM (39g3+)
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I had a Hard On for Hillary.
Now I'm impotent.
Now I'm impotent.
Posted by: Charlie Sykes at December 15, 2016 01:32 PM (HgMAr)
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Find another word, people.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)
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Can we take back liberal?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:26 PM (5sBuX)
I like it. I'm a liberal. I really am. I believe in following the evidence where it takes me, rather than being held to some orthodox position based on tribal loyalty.
I happen to think that makes me pretty darned liberal.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)
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Can we take back liberal?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:26 PM (5sBuX)
I like it. I'm a liberal. I really am. I believe in following the evidence where it takes me, rather than being held to some orthodox position based on tribal loyalty.
I happen to think that makes me pretty darned liberal.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:32 PM (TOk1P)
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African American woman with a Hispanic husband. Met her as well.
I think her name is Danielle. I don't listen like it's all I'm doing, but I play him in the background of my life. I need to start remembering to use the podcasts on the weekends when there is no decent radio.
I think her name is Danielle. I don't listen like it's all I'm doing, but I play him in the background of my life. I need to start remembering to use the podcasts on the weekends when there is no decent radio.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:32 PM (6KgCk)
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I betcha a lot of people felt cool and smrt while parroting "not a binary choice". Did this tern come from the fluid gender people by the way?
Posted by: Eric Hoffer's Thumb at December 15, 2016 01:33 PM (0J6e7)
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"How Charlie Sykes Lost Its Mind"...
That would be a better title.
Basically these are bitter people who have put their own ego ahead for the country all because they did not like Trump. I have no sympathy for them. There are lots of people who did not like Trump, and yet voted for him because it was best for the nation. Heck even Trump, Mr. Ego himself, as shown a lot more magnanimity then any of these people since the end of the election.
The proof it was the right decision to vote for Trump is what we are seeing now from the left. They are threatening electors with violence, storming the inauguration, bizarre secession plots, you name it. Yet it is Trump and his supporters who are the violent ones?
I am also getting annoyed by those "conservatives" who continue to attack Trump over stuff like the "Russian Hack". That is only helping the left's attempt to at the least de-legitimize the election, and at worst a coup. That is what the left historically does when they don't get what they want, go all FARC...
That would be a better title.
Basically these are bitter people who have put their own ego ahead for the country all because they did not like Trump. I have no sympathy for them. There are lots of people who did not like Trump, and yet voted for him because it was best for the nation. Heck even Trump, Mr. Ego himself, as shown a lot more magnanimity then any of these people since the end of the election.
The proof it was the right decision to vote for Trump is what we are seeing now from the left. They are threatening electors with violence, storming the inauguration, bizarre secession plots, you name it. Yet it is Trump and his supporters who are the violent ones?
I am also getting annoyed by those "conservatives" who continue to attack Trump over stuff like the "Russian Hack". That is only helping the left's attempt to at the least de-legitimize the election, and at worst a coup. That is what the left historically does when they don't get what they want, go all FARC...
Posted by: William Eaton at December 15, 2016 01:33 PM (MuTTO)
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301 I think there's a chance that Trump might gain more for conservatism than some actual conservatives would. Just because I can see him deciding a conservative policy is a good idea for whatever reason and forcing it through by force of will, and a conservative politician would be begging and compromising to get it through and it winds up being worthless and neutered from the compromises that they had to make.
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2016 01:31 PM (bMG0w)
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It also helps that he seems to be the kind of manager who's less interested in doing things himself than surrounding himself with quality people. And who are the quality people he's surrounding himself with? Conservatives.
I keep saying it, but I think Mike Pence being Trump's VP instead of Chris Christie is why we're actually excited about the president elect's moves so far.
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2016 01:31 PM (bMG0w)
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It also helps that he seems to be the kind of manager who's less interested in doing things himself than surrounding himself with quality people. And who are the quality people he's surrounding himself with? Conservatives.
I keep saying it, but I think Mike Pence being Trump's VP instead of Chris Christie is why we're actually excited about the president elect's moves so far.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:33 PM (5sBuX)
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No matter how bad Mr. Trump was, my listeners argued, he could not possibly be as bad as Mrs. Clinton. You simply cannot overstate this as a factor in the final outcome.
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No problem with this formulation at all. I think it's right.
Posted by: MTF at December 15, 2016 01:31 PM (X4ZNp)
His listeners were saying the equivalent of "Dude, I have to live here, in the real world, not the beautiful fantasy world you have created."
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No problem with this formulation at all. I think it's right.
Posted by: MTF at December 15, 2016 01:31 PM (X4ZNp)
His listeners were saying the equivalent of "Dude, I have to live here, in the real world, not the beautiful fantasy world you have created."
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (hLRSq)
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Anyone want to use the puppets to explain to me how the CIA gets to refuse to provide a briefing to Congress?
Can't comment on ongoing investigations. Heard a rumor that the dog eater has called for investigations back to '08.
Can't comment on ongoing investigations. Heard a rumor that the dog eater has called for investigations back to '08.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (CJRaf)
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Oopsie. I betcha a lot of people felt cool and smrt while parroting "not a binary choice". Did this term come from the gender fluid / trans / LGBTQW people by the way?
Posted by: Eric Hoffer's Thumb at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (0J6e7)
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So...all these "principled" GOPers were ok with the Hag for President and choosing next SCOTUS. Makes sense! NOT.
Multiple choice, Morons...
A giant asteroid destroys earth. You are one of the survivors on a 6x6' island with one palm tree, The Hag, one of Barry's cabinet "wimmen" (Yellen, Lynch, etc), and a hungry honey badger. Sharks are circling the island. Prior to the go boom asteroid you had just taken a Cialis with your lady, so you have one of those four hour erections you have always dreamed of. What to do? Who to do?
a) Hag. Depends on how desperate you are. Think of what lies under that pantsuit as well as trying to get it on during her constant cussing and bobble head roll.
b) Female cabinet member. Unsure of what lies under the skirt except you know dang well there are those piano legs, which, for sure, appear to be on their resumes for job.
c) Palm tree. While this would be safe, consider the acute painful Peyronie's like Bill you may have to live with until death from dehydration or going psycho from listening to the Hag.
d) Honey badger. This may be the correct choice: quick suicide by honey badger.
e) Swimming to get away from island. Another good choice if (d) is too gory of a thought. Sharks may fear the protrusion hanging from human.
All I know is that (a) would never be the correct answer. Ask Bill why he is dickin' all the bimbos.
Multiple choice, Morons...
A giant asteroid destroys earth. You are one of the survivors on a 6x6' island with one palm tree, The Hag, one of Barry's cabinet "wimmen" (Yellen, Lynch, etc), and a hungry honey badger. Sharks are circling the island. Prior to the go boom asteroid you had just taken a Cialis with your lady, so you have one of those four hour erections you have always dreamed of. What to do? Who to do?
a) Hag. Depends on how desperate you are. Think of what lies under that pantsuit as well as trying to get it on during her constant cussing and bobble head roll.
b) Female cabinet member. Unsure of what lies under the skirt except you know dang well there are those piano legs, which, for sure, appear to be on their resumes for job.
c) Palm tree. While this would be safe, consider the acute painful Peyronie's like Bill you may have to live with until death from dehydration or going psycho from listening to the Hag.
d) Honey badger. This may be the correct choice: quick suicide by honey badger.
e) Swimming to get away from island. Another good choice if (d) is too gory of a thought. Sharks may fear the protrusion hanging from human.
All I know is that (a) would never be the correct answer. Ask Bill why he is dickin' all the bimbos.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Deplorable Infidel Queen at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (fq4ih)
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311 Was Charlie Sykes changing the hearts and minds of liberals as a so-called conservative?
Or was he more of the McCain ilk - saving most of his jabs for conservatives and Republicans and polishing his street cred as a "maverick"?
Posted by: RM at December 15, 2016 01:32 PM (U3LtS)
Who the hell knows. The left calls anyone not performing abortions down by the river and joining ISIS a "conservative."
Or was he more of the McCain ilk - saving most of his jabs for conservatives and Republicans and polishing his street cred as a "maverick"?
Posted by: RM at December 15, 2016 01:32 PM (U3LtS)
Who the hell knows. The left calls anyone not performing abortions down by the river and joining ISIS a "conservative."
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (6KgCk)
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Starbucks is a tribe, isn't it?
Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (IfLog)
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If we did a PSA here at AoS...
it would go something like...
We all like boobs
...boobs
....boobs
....boobs.
And we all like food.
....food
....food
....food
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:27 PM (75UO5)
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But it's whiskey
...whiskey
...whiskey
That sustains us.
...sustains us.
...sustains us.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (5sBuX)
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Go ahead, clink on the link.
...click on the link.
...click on the link.
...click on the link.
It's all good, really!
...really!
...really!
...really!
...really! * from the depths of the Barrel *
* sonorous belch *
289 280
If we did a PSA here at AoS...
it would go something like...
We all like boobs
...boobs
....boobs
....boobs.
And we all like food.
....food
....food
....food
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:27 PM (75UO5)
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But it's whiskey
...whiskey
...whiskey
That sustains us.
...sustains us.
...sustains us.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (5sBuX)
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Go ahead, clink on the link.
...click on the link.
...click on the link.
...click on the link.
It's all good, really!
...really!
...really!
...really!
...really! * from the depths of the Barrel *
* sonorous belch *
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Gob-Smacked Rage Monkeys (Suck It, NR!) at December 15, 2016 01:35 PM (BK3ZS)
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Once upon a time the word liberal meant something on the left. It's pretty much meaningless now. So is conservative.
Find another word, people.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)
Constitutionalist?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (SRKgf)
Sure, as long as it doesn't attract the damned dope smoking Libertarians.
Find another word, people.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:25 PM (TOk1P)
Constitutionalist?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (SRKgf)
Sure, as long as it doesn't attract the damned dope smoking Libertarians.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)
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The problem with the word "conservatism" is that right now, there' not much we want to conserve. Big, overreaching government? The EPA? An activist Supreme Court? Universities that practice radical identity politics and hate America and the 2nd Amendment? Our rancid and uncreative "creative class?"
Hillary was the status quo candidate. It's the Left which is fighting tooth and nail to conserve their own power and privilege. To fight against it, you need someone who is going to be bold and unconventional, even if he does not think like a doctrinaire conservative.
Hillary was the status quo candidate. It's the Left which is fighting tooth and nail to conserve their own power and privilege. To fight against it, you need someone who is going to be bold and unconventional, even if he does not think like a doctrinaire conservative.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 01:35 PM (ZM2xo)
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324 Who the hell knows. The left calls anyone not performing abortions down by the river and joining ISIS a "conservative."
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (6KgCk)
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You're so wrong.
They call such people dumb, hick, wingnuts.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (6KgCk)
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You're so wrong.
They call such people dumb, hick, wingnuts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:35 PM (5sBuX)
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Ronald Ragan was actually very much of a protectionist an actual policy.
I believe he instituted a 100% tariff on things like semi conductors for example. Funny how Trump even proposing a slight increase in tariffs to get better trade deals suddenly makes a person have to leave "conservatism".
I believe he instituted a 100% tariff on things like semi conductors for example. Funny how Trump even proposing a slight increase in tariffs to get better trade deals suddenly makes a person have to leave "conservatism".
Posted by: Utopia at December 15, 2016 01:35 PM (KhyXS)
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To me, Trumps election. Reminds me a lot of Reagan. I'm not saying he is, lest the trucons go zombie, but the circumstances feel similar.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 01:28 PM (rQph1)
Same here. The truth is that even Reagan wasn't Reagan. At the time he was elected he was flayed for many of the same things Trump now gets flayed for (stupid, unqualified, unstable, etc.). The Northeast GOP establishment was horrified by Reagan, and liberals bleated about nuclear war, etc.
Recall also that the first year or so of his first term featured huge interest rates that clobbered the economy, and he was blamed for that too. (By people who'd never heard of Volcker, who by wringing out inflationary expectations was laying the foundation for a burgeoning economy later.)
It was only later that Reagan was held in higher regard, and he only achieved his present status in retrospect.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2016 01:28 PM (rQph1)
Same here. The truth is that even Reagan wasn't Reagan. At the time he was elected he was flayed for many of the same things Trump now gets flayed for (stupid, unqualified, unstable, etc.). The Northeast GOP establishment was horrified by Reagan, and liberals bleated about nuclear war, etc.
Recall also that the first year or so of his first term featured huge interest rates that clobbered the economy, and he was blamed for that too. (By people who'd never heard of Volcker, who by wringing out inflationary expectations was laying the foundation for a burgeoning economy later.)
It was only later that Reagan was held in higher regard, and he only achieved his present status in retrospect.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:36 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: flaccid looney at December 15, 2016 01:36 PM (qUNWi)
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When your green priorities collide. Obama ruling allows wind farms to mince up to 4200 protected bald eagles
http://tinyurl.com/gmncbmt
http://tinyurl.com/gmncbmt
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:36 PM (39g3+)
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>> e) Swimming to get away from island. Another good
>> choice if (d) is too gory of a thought. Sharks may
>> fear the protrusion hanging from human.
Roll onto your back and...you do know how to rig a lateen sail, right?
>> choice if (d) is too gory of a thought. Sharks may
>> fear the protrusion hanging from human.
Roll onto your back and...you do know how to rig a lateen sail, right?
Posted by: JEM at December 15, 2016 01:36 PM (TppKb)
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287 For those joking that he's married to Wanda Sykes, the truth is funnier ... his ex-wife is Diane Sykes, one of the judges on Trump's Supreme Court shortlist!
Posted by: WI lurker at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (N07eA)
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That explains a lot...
Posted by: WI lurker at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (N07eA)
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That explains a lot...
Posted by: William Eaton at December 15, 2016 01:36 PM (MuTTO)
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Sure, as long as it doesn't attract the damned dope smoking Libertarians.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)
Agreed.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)
Agreed.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:36 PM (SRKgf)
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Remember when the Trump nomination not only meant that Hildog would be president, but that Congress would flip Dem too? Good times.
Posted by: real joe at December 15, 2016 01:37 PM (FdTDf)
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Concur with dagny about Chris Plante. I would not be one bit surprised one bit to find out he hangs out here.
Here's all you need to know: he got thrown off the air for a while for ticking off CAIR. WMAL eventually came to their senses and brought him back.
Here's all you need to know: he got thrown off the air for a while for ticking off CAIR. WMAL eventually came to their senses and brought him back.
Posted by: bluebell at December 15, 2016 01:37 PM (sBOL1)
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Never snork your snacks.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 01:30 PM (hLRSq)
I hear that a lot.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 01:30 PM (hLRSq)
I hear that a lot.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 15, 2016 01:37 PM (X6fMO)
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By the way, the corollary to the argument in @302-- and the real reason I think a lot of cons were at peace in finally voting for DJT -- is the GOP had lost all credibility and coherence throughout the Bush/McVain/Romney years.
Sykes doesn't mention this at all, preferring instead to see the "GOP crash" as happening right now.
In this he makes his biggest blunder: its been going on right before his eyes for years. #thatsHowYouGotTrump
Sykes doesn't mention this at all, preferring instead to see the "GOP crash" as happening right now.
In this he makes his biggest blunder: its been going on right before his eyes for years. #thatsHowYouGotTrump
Posted by: MTF at December 15, 2016 01:37 PM (X4ZNp)
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Never heard of this guy, and I work in radio. Milwaukee market? Who cares.
Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at December 15, 2016 01:37 PM (7A6l6)
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This is a stunning blow to conservatism.
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (Cw3TC)
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Listen to the man! He knows a thing or two about "stunning blows"...
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at December 15, 2016 01:29 PM (Cw3TC)
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Listen to the man! He knows a thing or two about "stunning blows"...
Posted by: Nurse Ratched at December 15, 2016 01:37 PM (FDqSd)
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who is this??
Posted by: Rhennigantx at December 15, 2016 01:37 PM (bmkS9)
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The truth is that even Reagan wasn't Reagan.
Indeed. The man was lousy on a lot of topics that tend to be ignored like abortion. He responded to our marines being murdered by a truck bomb by withdrawing them from the region. He shut down manned space flight because of one high profile accident. He wasn't perfect, nor was he a saint. But he was a damn sight better than the alternatives.
Indeed. The man was lousy on a lot of topics that tend to be ignored like abortion. He responded to our marines being murdered by a truck bomb by withdrawing them from the region. He shut down manned space flight because of one high profile accident. He wasn't perfect, nor was he a saint. But he was a damn sight better than the alternatives.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:38 PM (39g3+)
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Jennifer Rubin, check six.
Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2016 01:38 PM (2RVmA)
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Old and busted: Recognizing and conserving those things that have demonstrably produced a stable and civil society.
New and hot: Gaining power and privilege by implementing policies that promote discontent via destabilization.
Old and busted: Recognizing and conserving those things that have demonstrably produced a stable and civil society.
New and hot: Gaining power and privilege by implementing policies that promote discontent via destabilization.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 15, 2016 01:38 PM (ZO497)
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>>She should be thankful she wasn't eating Bugels (TM).
When AtC goes camping, she sleeps in a Bugle (TM).
When AtC goes camping, she sleeps in a Bugle (TM).
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2016 01:38 PM (UD0Gq)
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"able to express ideas in more than 140 characters"
prolixity isn't an "ability". it's a flaw. talk to any software engineer.
prolixity isn't an "ability". it's a flaw. talk to any software engineer.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 15, 2016 01:38 PM (czuvT)
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#nevertrumpers and concern liberals are completely clueless as to why McCain and Romney lost, and Trump won.
McCain and Romney spent so much time apologizing that they came across as weak and pathetic.
Trump, on the other hand, laughs in their faces.
McCain and Romney spent so much time apologizing that they came across as weak and pathetic.
Trump, on the other hand, laughs in their faces.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 15, 2016 01:38 PM (+lVUW)
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327 Sure, as long as it doesn't attract the damned dope smoking Libertarians.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)
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The actual Libertarian Party isn't very interested in the constitution.
Actual libertarians might be, but the Party apparatus isn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)
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The actual Libertarian Party isn't very interested in the constitution.
Actual libertarians might be, but the Party apparatus isn't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:38 PM (5sBuX)
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Every idiot, moron, asswipe who said "not a binary choice" was immediately made not credible.
It was always just a "dug in" lie for Hillary.
It was always just a "dug in" lie for Hillary.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:38 PM (6KgCk)
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Anyone want to use the puppets to explain to me how the CIA gets to refuse to provide a briefing to Congress?
Can't comment on ongoing investigations. Heard a rumor that the dog eater has called for investigations back to '08.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (CJRaf)
Load of bullshit right here. The CIA is not in the business of law enforcement. They don't conduct investigations, they collect, analyze and disseminate intelligence. BTW, they don't get an option to opt out of their responsibility to brief the legislative branch.
Anyone want to use the puppets to explain to me how the CIA gets to refuse to provide a briefing to Congress?
Can't comment on ongoing investigations. Heard a rumor that the dog eater has called for investigations back to '08.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (CJRaf)
Load of bullshit right here. The CIA is not in the business of law enforcement. They don't conduct investigations, they collect, analyze and disseminate intelligence. BTW, they don't get an option to opt out of their responsibility to brief the legislative branch.
Posted by: The Mouse that Roared at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (7N6ox)
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Like a tiny little processed corn Tee-Pee.
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (UD0Gq)
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and "free trade" does not mean we must trade. If you pay your kid an allowance to clean his room and take out the trash, are you obligated to dump him if a Chinese kid shows up that will do it better for less?
A little silly I guess, but country takes a long time to form, then we fight for it, then we are taxed to grow it, we debate ideas .... but we sell it all out just because slave labor is cheaper in commie states, that may well brutalize their people, or send them to war against us?
This notion that we must out compete on everything seems goofy. We trade when it serves us well, not because of some altruistic obligation to "free trade" religion. France said they don't care if Airbus ever makes a profit ... and that hurt our industry. Other countries protect their own. We can prefer our country like we prefer our kids.
A little silly I guess, but country takes a long time to form, then we fight for it, then we are taxed to grow it, we debate ideas .... but we sell it all out just because slave labor is cheaper in commie states, that may well brutalize their people, or send them to war against us?
This notion that we must out compete on everything seems goofy. We trade when it serves us well, not because of some altruistic obligation to "free trade" religion. France said they don't care if Airbus ever makes a profit ... and that hurt our industry. Other countries protect their own. We can prefer our country like we prefer our kids.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (LcUYB)
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I still don't like Trump and probably never will but he beat Hillary and I will always be grateful for that . I also hope he truly does Make America Great again . I don't have to like someone in order for me to want them to succeed if we both have the same goals. I also hope the Trump base doesn't bash him if he goes back on a promise or two. It's the nature of the beast and you have to look at the big picture.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (MqV0V)
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prolixity isn't an "ability". it's a flaw. talk to any software engineer.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 15, 2016 01:38 PM (czuvT)
TIL a new word. Thanks hobo.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 15, 2016 01:38 PM (czuvT)
TIL a new word. Thanks hobo.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (KUaJL)
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Chris Plante would make an awesome Press Secretary.
Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (2RVmA)
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His listeners were saying the equivalent of "Dude, I have to live here, in the real world, not the beautiful fantasy world you have created."
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (hLRSq)
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As a wise commenter observed: "Cocksucking celerys!"
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (hLRSq)
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As a wise commenter observed: "Cocksucking celerys!"
Posted by: Slo-Pitch Whiffer at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (zke7T)
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Starbucks is a tribe, isn't it?
Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (IfLog)
...............
We think of ourselves as a herd... of hackers!
*laughter*
Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (IfLog)
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We think of ourselves as a herd... of hackers!
*laughter*
Posted by: Starbucks Moscow at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (HgMAr)
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Never heard of this guy, and I work in radio. Milwaukee market? Who cares.
Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell
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Really. I mean no one would of the existence of Milwaukee, but for me.
Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell
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Really. I mean no one would of the existence of Milwaukee, but for me.
Posted by: Schlitz at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (ZO497)
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (75UO5)
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Dammit. Now I want Bugles.
Can't comment on ongoing investigations. Heard a rumor that the dog eater has called for investigations back to '08.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (CJRaf)
Well, once the CIA does the public you were mean to us so we had to say something, that goes right out the window, now, doesn't it?
Nice budget the CIA has. Shame if something happens to it.
Can't comment on ongoing investigations. Heard a rumor that the dog eater has called for investigations back to '08.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (CJRaf)
Well, once the CIA does the public you were mean to us so we had to say something, that goes right out the window, now, doesn't it?
Nice budget the CIA has. Shame if something happens to it.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 15, 2016 01:40 PM (mf5HN)
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a) Hag. Depends on how desperate you are. Think of what lies under that pantsuit as well as trying to get it on during her constant cussing and bobble head roll.
Eh, I'd go with "A".
- I'm desperate;
- Hate sex can be fun, so I'm told;
- At the climax, I can always scream, "let's win one for the Gipper!"
Eh, I'd go with "A".
- I'm desperate;
- Hate sex can be fun, so I'm told;
- At the climax, I can always scream, "let's win one for the Gipper!"
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 15, 2016 01:40 PM (X6fMO)
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Sure, as long as it doesn't attract the damned dope smoking Libertarians.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)
Agreed.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
If we are being 100% honest, it would. No where in the Constitution does it grant the fed government regulatory powers over what someone ingests.
Taxing powers? Possibly. Ingesting powers? Negative.
And yes, I can pass any drug test anyone wants to come up with.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:35 PM (TOk1P)
Agreed.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
If we are being 100% honest, it would. No where in the Constitution does it grant the fed government regulatory powers over what someone ingests.
Taxing powers? Possibly. Ingesting powers? Negative.
And yes, I can pass any drug test anyone wants to come up with.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2016 01:40 PM (CJRaf)
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Starbucks is a tribe, isn't it?
Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (IfLog)
It's a sub-tribe, a segment of the larger tribe Hipstera Urbanis Deuchebagum.
Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (IfLog)
It's a sub-tribe, a segment of the larger tribe Hipstera Urbanis Deuchebagum.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:40 PM (TOk1P)
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also getting annoyed by those "conservatives" who continue to attack Trump over stuff like the "Russian Hack". That is only helping the left's attempt to at the least de-legitimize the election, and at worst a coup. That is what the left historically does when they don't get what they want, go all FARC...
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They always remind us that the constitution is not a suicide pact but then promptly kill themselves
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They always remind us that the constitution is not a suicide pact but then promptly kill themselves
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 15, 2016 01:40 PM (kH4HS)
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#328
The problem with the word "conservatism" is that right now, there' not
much we want to conserve. Big, overreaching government? The EPA? An
activist Supreme Court? Universities that practice radical identity
politics and hate America and the 2nd Amendment? Our rancid and
uncreative "creative class?"
======================
Yep. It's the Left Elite that will fight to the last NYT editorial for their "Shining City On the Hill". A city surrounded by barbed wire, minefields, and iron gates..
The problem with the word "conservatism" is that right now, there' not
much we want to conserve. Big, overreaching government? The EPA? An
activist Supreme Court? Universities that practice radical identity
politics and hate America and the 2nd Amendment? Our rancid and
uncreative "creative class?"
======================
Yep. It's the Left Elite that will fight to the last NYT editorial for their "Shining City On the Hill". A city surrounded by barbed wire, minefields, and iron gates..
Posted by: mrp at December 15, 2016 01:41 PM (JBggj)
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I read quite possibly the stupidest article ever on Yahoo this morning. Authored by DNC/Clinton water-carrier Matt Bai, who blamed the election of Trump on Bush and the Iraq war.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 15, 2016 01:41 PM (J9FkY)
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>>Never heard of this guy, and I work in radio. Milwaukee market? Who cares.
The guy is probably Hooked on Oriental Drugs.
The guy is probably Hooked on Oriental Drugs.
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2016 01:41 PM (UD0Gq)
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Would not a domestic cyber attack be the turf of the FBI and the USSS, not the CIA?
Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (2RVmA)
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If it's not a binary choice, then why in the hell did I just vote for 1001101011101 to be president?
Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (jBuUi)
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His listeners were saying the equivalent of "Dude, I have to live here, in the real world, not the beautiful fantasy world you have created."
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (hLRSq)
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Exactly.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (hLRSq)
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Exactly.
Posted by: MTF at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (X4ZNp)
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Interesting that Trumpettes are willing to now push for a purge.
There are two kinds of NeverTrumpers.
Those that have accepted the results of the election, and those that are not sane. I consider myself the former. He won. Good for him. He will be prez, and people need get over it.
However that does not mean that I must now be 100% behind every thing he utters.
Also, the idea that NeverTrumpers were 90% liberal/progressive is deliberately disingenuous. But hey, if you wanna believe it it, fine, but putting blinders on because of an inability to accept reality is inadvisable.
There are two kinds of NeverTrumpers.
Those that have accepted the results of the election, and those that are not sane. I consider myself the former. He won. Good for him. He will be prez, and people need get over it.
However that does not mean that I must now be 100% behind every thing he utters.
Also, the idea that NeverTrumpers were 90% liberal/progressive is deliberately disingenuous. But hey, if you wanna believe it it, fine, but putting blinders on because of an inability to accept reality is inadvisable.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (5Z34V)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (0F67M)
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I saw Prolixity open for Bloat, Atlanta, 1989.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (ZO497)
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I betcha a lot of people felt cool and smrt while parroting "not a binary choice".
One of the smartest people I know, a patent attorney and fellow parishioner, was spouting that line. I believe his take was trump wasn't sufficiently SoCon enough. I think that's a big reason Trump won. he stayed out of that debate. Oh, and, Hillary was a horrible candidate.
One of the smartest people I know, a patent attorney and fellow parishioner, was spouting that line. I believe his take was trump wasn't sufficiently SoCon enough. I think that's a big reason Trump won. he stayed out of that debate. Oh, and, Hillary was a horrible candidate.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (ty7RM)
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312 I love a martyred ape - yes I do! I love a martyred ape and so should you! I love martyred Harambe - boo hoo hoo!
Posted by: Do The Harambe! at December 15, 2016 01:32 PM (IXVaI)
The Russians had Harambe killed!
Posted by: Do The Harambe! at December 15, 2016 01:32 PM (IXVaI)
The Russians had Harambe killed!
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (bMG0w)
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Count me in the group who has no idea who this guy is. Never heard the name before in my life.
Posted by: radar at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (STUA6)
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The problem with the word "conservatism" is that right now, there' not much we want to conserve.
Correct. Conservatism failed, we did not conserve much of anything. Now its more of a rebuilding and recovering, not conservation.
Correct. Conservatism failed, we did not conserve much of anything. Now its more of a rebuilding and recovering, not conservation.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (39g3+)
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Really. I mean no one would of the existence of Milwaukee, but for me.
Posted by: Schlitz at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (ZO497)
You forget - I live here.
Posted by: Schlitz at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (ZO497)
You forget - I live here.
Posted by: Bob Uecker at December 15, 2016 01:43 PM (ZM2xo)
Posted by: flaccid looney at December 15, 2016 01:43 PM (qUNWi)
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And I live in Milwaukee too! And I'm the bestest baseball commish of all times!
Posted by: Bud Selig at December 15, 2016 01:43 PM (ZM2xo)
383
and "free trade" does not mean we must trade. If you pay your kid an allowance to clean his room and take out the trash, are you obligated to dump him if a Chinese kid shows up that will do it better for less?
rah damn!
rah damn!
Posted by: little Chinese kid wid brirriant idear... at December 15, 2016 01:44 PM (AoK0a)
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2016 01:44 PM (UD0Gq)
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I want some funyuns, not bugles. Funyuns make really good breading for deep fry by the way. Crush em up.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:44 PM (39g3+)
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Interesting that Trumpettes are willing to now push for a purge.
Trumpkins. Trumpsters. Trumpers. Trumprumps. Trumplumps....
Interesting that Trumpettes are willing to now push for a purge.
Trumpkins. Trumpsters. Trumpers. Trumprumps. Trumplumps....
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:44 PM (75UO5)
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Really. I mean no one would of the existence of Milwaukee, but for me.
Posted by: Schlitz at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (ZO497)
>>>
And the Sawzall.
Posted by: Schlitz at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (ZO497)
>>>
And the Sawzall.
Posted by: Milwaukee Tools at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (tf9Ne)
388
If it's not a binary choice, then why in the hell did I just vote for 1001101011101 to be president?
Posted by: zombie
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Because random numbers are too important to be left to chance?
Posted by: zombie
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Because random numbers are too important to be left to chance?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (ZO497)
389
I get the conservative complaints about Trump's positions on free trade, balanced budgets, and small government.
But I don't get it AT ALL when someone like Sykes starts babbling about "rule-of-law" and "Constitutional rights."
How in the world could anyone who cares about those two things tolerate the very idea of a Hillary presidency?
Hillary is a staunch opponent of the 2nd amendment and hostile to the 1st, in regard to both freedom of speech and religion. She believes in NO restraint on the federal government's power.
And rule-of-law? Good grief. Outside of support for such things as sanctuary cities and her own lawlessness, Hillary is a firm believer in rule by random executive regulation.
But I don't get it AT ALL when someone like Sykes starts babbling about "rule-of-law" and "Constitutional rights."
How in the world could anyone who cares about those two things tolerate the very idea of a Hillary presidency?
Hillary is a staunch opponent of the 2nd amendment and hostile to the 1st, in regard to both freedom of speech and religion. She believes in NO restraint on the federal government's power.
And rule-of-law? Good grief. Outside of support for such things as sanctuary cities and her own lawlessness, Hillary is a firm believer in rule by random executive regulation.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (Nox3c)
390
What's amazing is this guy blames conservative "purity tests" for fueling dissatisfaction and the rise of Trump - while at the same time demanding absolute purity on his issues, free trade and open borders. By his standards Calvin Coolidge was not a conservative.
Posted by: Suetonius at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (eXOBy)
391
Ahhh...the funyun splitters.
Posted by: flaccid looney at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (qUNWi)
392
>>This notion that we must out compete on everything seems goofy. We trade when it serves us well, not because of some altruistic obligation to "free trade" religion. France said they don't care if Airbus ever makes a profit ... and that hurt our industry. Other countries protect their own. We can prefer our country like we prefer our kids.
It's not so much a religion as it is the foundation of this country. Does anyone actually remember what the Boston Tea Party was all about? And that was just the culmination of years of the Brits trying to strangle any free trade in the Colonies.
Aside from a few key industries that are necessary in times of national emergencies, the real reason I think France and the other partnering governments care about keeping Airbus around, I don't believe in protectionism. I do believe in trying to level the playing field and allowing businesses to succeed or fail on their own merits.
It's not so much a religion as it is the foundation of this country. Does anyone actually remember what the Boston Tea Party was all about? And that was just the culmination of years of the Brits trying to strangle any free trade in the Colonies.
Aside from a few key industries that are necessary in times of national emergencies, the real reason I think France and the other partnering governments care about keeping Airbus around, I don't believe in protectionism. I do believe in trying to level the playing field and allowing businesses to succeed or fail on their own merits.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (/tuJf)
393
I want some funyuns, not bugles. Funyuns make really good breading for deep fry by the way. Crush em up
=======================
I recommend the Steakhouse Funyons for that.
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I recommend the Steakhouse Funyons for that.
Posted by: mrp at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (JBggj)
394
I still laugh at 'Trumpelstiltskin'.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (0F67M)
395
368 I read quite possibly the stupidest article ever on Yahoo this morning. Authored by DNC/Clinton water-carrier Matt Bai, who blamed the election of Trump on Bush and the Iraq war.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 15, 2016 01:41 PM (J9FkY)
That's what you get for reading Yahoo news.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 15, 2016 01:41 PM (J9FkY)
That's what you get for reading Yahoo news.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (SRKgf)
396
Have to disagree with Ace on something that bugged me all cycle. The choice of who to support was not binary, and not voting for Trump was not the same thing as voting for Hillary. It's basic math that choosing to add 0 to Option A is not the same as choosing to add 1 to Option B. Please stop telling people 0 doesn't exist. They know intuitively that such a claim is bullshit, even if they can't quite put it into words. All that claim does is make people shut down, go defensive, and stop being willing to even entertain any further discussion. To that person, you become the same as an idiot enviro-loon who equates skepticism with "you want the planet to burn".
What is true is that not voting for Trump increased the likelihood of Clinton winning. That's how it needed to be presented all along. If you start here instead of taking the flying leap from "dislike Trump" straight to "want Hillary to win", you can actually have a conversation on whether that dislike is worth increasing the chances of the witch winning.
What is true is that not voting for Trump increased the likelihood of Clinton winning. That's how it needed to be presented all along. If you start here instead of taking the flying leap from "dislike Trump" straight to "want Hillary to win", you can actually have a conversation on whether that dislike is worth increasing the chances of the witch winning.
Posted by: Cortillaen at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (rpKZV)
397
Trumpkins. Trumpsters. Trumpers. Trumprumps. Trumplumps
Yeah every time I see some variation of a condescending, demeaning cutesy name for Trump supporters, I tune out. Same as when I see someone blanket-condemning everyone who has a problem with Donald Trump as some kind of monster Hillary supporter.
Yeah every time I see some variation of a condescending, demeaning cutesy name for Trump supporters, I tune out. Same as when I see someone blanket-condemning everyone who has a problem with Donald Trump as some kind of monster Hillary supporter.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (39g3+)
398
and the Trumpelthinskin variant.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (0F67M)
399
Starbucks is a tribe, isn't it?
Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (IfLog)
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No.... he's a Viper Pilot with a current duty assignment on the Battlestar Galactica.
Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2016 01:34 PM (IfLog)
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No.... he's a Viper Pilot with a current duty assignment on the Battlestar Galactica.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (8XRCm)
400
Ahhh...the funyun splitters.
Posted by: flaccid looney at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (qUNWi)
Healing power of and.
Posted by: flaccid looney at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (qUNWi)
Healing power of and.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Schlitz at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (ZO497)
402
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (5Z34V)
We're not calling for a purge, he's loudly saying "screw you guys, I'm going home" and we're responding with "don't let the door hit you on the way out."
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (5Z34V)
We're not calling for a purge, he's loudly saying "screw you guys, I'm going home" and we're responding with "don't let the door hit you on the way out."
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (KUaJL)
403
I still consider myself conservative, both socially and economically.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (MqV0V)
404
Never heard of Charlie Sykes.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 01:47 PM (0mRoj)
405
349
#nevertrumpers and concern liberals are completely clueless as to why McCain and Romney lost, and Trump won.
McCain and Romney spent so much time apologizing that they came across as weak and pathetic.
Trump, on the other hand, laughs in their faces.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 15, 2016 01:38 PM (+lVUW)
True, but that's not the reason. It was always all about the wall. (Granted, that is one of the things that he refused to apologize for, but if it weren't for the wall he'd still be a reality show host.)
#nevertrumpers and concern liberals are completely clueless as to why McCain and Romney lost, and Trump won.
McCain and Romney spent so much time apologizing that they came across as weak and pathetic.
Trump, on the other hand, laughs in their faces.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 15, 2016 01:38 PM (+lVUW)
True, but that's not the reason. It was always all about the wall. (Granted, that is one of the things that he refused to apologize for, but if it weren't for the wall he'd still be a reality show host.)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 15, 2016 01:47 PM (jK8Z7)
406
In fairness, a non-vote, or a 3rd party vote, was only half a vote for Hillary.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:47 PM (0F67M)
407
I want some funyuns, not bugles. Funyuns make really good breading for deep fry by the way. Crush em up.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:44 PM (39g3+)
They sell a multi-pack with the tiny bags of snacks, one of which has a "hot" variety. There exist, flaming hot funyuns. I have never seen the large size bags of them, which is probably a good thing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:44 PM (39g3+)
They sell a multi-pack with the tiny bags of snacks, one of which has a "hot" variety. There exist, flaming hot funyuns. I have never seen the large size bags of them, which is probably a good thing.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:47 PM (TOk1P)
408
So the Notorious DJT helps to create yet another job opening. Good. The new Trump economy continues to pick up steam even before he takes office.
Posted by: Jingo Unchained! at December 15, 2016 01:48 PM (VFhMt)
409
My personal list of #NeverTrump personas non grata:
Brett Stephens (WSJ effete nonentity)
Kevin Williamson (NRO dickwad)
Stephen Miller (Twiiter auteur)
Tom Nichols (all-star asshole from The Federalist)
Charlie Sykes (Talk radio nobody)
Erik Erickson (Traveling salesman/preacher/self-important slug/evangelist for the "Christ is a NeverTrumper" movement)
Glenn Beck (Doughy mental patient)
Bill Kristol (Honestly not even worthy of a snarky nickname)
I'm sure there are some I'm forgetting but that'll do for now. I don't include Jonah Goldberg, Ben Shapiro, Michael Medved, and Charles Krauthammer because they have been pretty contrite about their mistaken predictions and have given Trump kudos for the things he's done right so far.
Brett Stephens (WSJ effete nonentity)
Kevin Williamson (NRO dickwad)
Stephen Miller (Twiiter auteur)
Tom Nichols (all-star asshole from The Federalist)
Charlie Sykes (Talk radio nobody)
Erik Erickson (Traveling salesman/preacher/self-important slug/evangelist for the "Christ is a NeverTrumper" movement)
Glenn Beck (Doughy mental patient)
Bill Kristol (Honestly not even worthy of a snarky nickname)
I'm sure there are some I'm forgetting but that'll do for now. I don't include Jonah Goldberg, Ben Shapiro, Michael Medved, and Charles Krauthammer because they have been pretty contrite about their mistaken predictions and have given Trump kudos for the things he's done right so far.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at December 15, 2016 01:48 PM (Rtyzj)
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Same as when I see someone blanket-condemning everyone who has a problem with Donald Trump as some kind of monster Hillary supporter.
Go vote for hillary, you clintonista.
Same as when I see someone blanket-condemning everyone who has a problem with Donald Trump as some kind of monster Hillary supporter.
Go vote for hillary, you clintonista.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:48 PM (75UO5)
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Interesting that Trumpettes are willing to now push for a purge.
There are two kinds of NeverTrumpers.
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Make that three kinds.
The third kind sets up the strawman of "purge", then wraps themselves in moral indignity at the non-actions of the deplorable.
There are two kinds of NeverTrumpers.
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Make that three kinds.
The third kind sets up the strawman of "purge", then wraps themselves in moral indignity at the non-actions of the deplorable.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 15, 2016 01:48 PM (kKHcp)
412
No.... he's a Viper Pilot with a current duty assignment on the Battlestar Galactica.
+1
Love it.
+1
Love it.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:48 PM (5Z34V)
413
Yep. It's the Left Elite that will fight to the last NYT editorial for their "Shining City On the Hill". A city surrounded by barbed wire, minefields, and iron gates..
Posted by: mrp
John Carpenter's Escape from D.C.
Yep. It's the Left Elite that will fight to the last NYT editorial for their "Shining City On the Hill". A city surrounded by barbed wire, minefields, and iron gates..
Posted by: mrp
John Carpenter's Escape from D.C.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2016 01:48 PM (IqV8l)
414
399 No.... he's a Viper Pilot with a current duty assignment on the Battlestar Galactica.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (8XRCm)
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He's a she now, duh.
https://i.yt___.com/vi/3O0XHgg56MQ/maxresdefault.jpg
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (8XRCm)
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He's a she now, duh.
https://i.yt___.com/vi/3O0XHgg56MQ/maxresdefault.jpg
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:48 PM (5sBuX)
415
Pfft. I powered the Milwaukee plant.
Posted by: Schlitz at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (ZO497)
While making it famous.
Posted by: Schlitz at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (ZO497)
While making it famous.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 15, 2016 01:48 PM (jK8Z7)
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2016 01:48 PM (8XRCm)
417
Aside from a few key industries that are necessary in times of national emergencies, the real reason I think France and the other partnering governments care about keeping Airbus around, I don't believe in protectionism. I do believe in trying to level the playing field and allowing businesses to succeed or fail on their own merits.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (/tuJf)
Agricultural policy in Britain explicitly favors and protects British farmers because they learned their lesson in WWII - be able to feed yourself, and not rely on trade to be able to do so. It's too tempting and easy to cut off trade to an island nation.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (/tuJf)
Agricultural policy in Britain explicitly favors and protects British farmers because they learned their lesson in WWII - be able to feed yourself, and not rely on trade to be able to do so. It's too tempting and easy to cut off trade to an island nation.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:48 PM (SRKgf)
418
374 Google returns this, fwiw: Why Are There 9 Supreme Court Justices?
http://bit.ly/2h5cuDL
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (0F67M)
'Cuz that's how many players there are on my "alternative" softball team!
-- Elena Kagan
374 Google returns this, fwiw: Why Are There 9 Supreme Court Justices?
http://bit.ly/2h5cuDL
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (0F67M)
'Cuz that's how many players there are on my "alternative" softball team!
-- Elena Kagan
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Gob-Smacked Rage Monkeys (Suck It, NR!) at December 15, 2016 01:48 PM (BK3ZS)
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:49 PM (5Z34V)
420
However that does not mean that I must now be 100% behind every thing he utters.
Also, the idea that NeverTrumpers were 90% liberal/progressive is deliberately disingenuous. But hey, if you wanna believe it it, fine, but putting blinders on because of an inability to accept reality is inadvisable.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (5Z34V)
No one has said either of those things.
Also, the idea that NeverTrumpers were 90% liberal/progressive is deliberately disingenuous. But hey, if you wanna believe it it, fine, but putting blinders on because of an inability to accept reality is inadvisable.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (5Z34V)
No one has said either of those things.
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2016 01:49 PM (bMG0w)
421
No.... he's a Viper Pilot with a current duty assignment on the Battlestar Galactica.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (8XRCm)
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He's a she now, duh.
https://i.yt___.com/vi/3O0XHgg56MQ/maxresdefault.jpg
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:48 PM (5sBuX)
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Okay.... Xe's a trangendered Viper Pilot with a current duty assignment on the Battlestar Galactica.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (8XRCm)
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He's a she now, duh.
https://i.yt___.com/vi/3O0XHgg56MQ/maxresdefault.jpg
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:48 PM (5sBuX)
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Okay.... Xe's a trangendered Viper Pilot with a current duty assignment on the Battlestar Galactica.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2016 01:49 PM (8XRCm)
422
373 Interesting that Trumpettes are willing to now push for a purge.
Because idiotic insults based on Trump's name NEVER get old.
Because idiotic insults based on Trump's name NEVER get old.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 01:49 PM (0mRoj)
423
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 6h6 hours ago
Has anyone looked at the really poor numbers of @VanityFair Magazine. Way down, big trouble, dead! Graydon Carter, no talent, will be out!
Has anyone looked at the really poor numbers of @VanityFair Magazine. Way down, big trouble, dead! Graydon Carter, no talent, will be out!
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:49 PM (0F67M)
424
I want some funyuns, not bugles. Funyuns make really good breading for deep fry by the way. Crush em up
=======================
I recommend the Steakhouse Funyons for that.
Posted by: mrp at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (JBggj)
Steakhouse funyuns? Why was I not told of this?
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I recommend the Steakhouse Funyons for that.
Posted by: mrp at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (JBggj)
Steakhouse funyuns? Why was I not told of this?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2016 01:50 PM (TOk1P)
425
NeverTrumpism is aesthetic. The NeverTrumper's sense of identity as a bien pensant outweighs their rationality.
Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at December 15, 2016 01:50 PM (yxrmx)
426
399 No.... he's a Viper Pilot with a current duty assignment on the Battlestar Galactica.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (8XRCm)
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Let's try that again.
http://tinyurl.com/zl9p5dc
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (8XRCm)
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Let's try that again.
http://tinyurl.com/zl9p5dc
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:50 PM (5sBuX)
427
352 321
Anyone want to use the puppets to explain to me how the CIA gets to refuse to provide a briefing to Congress?
There is nothing. This is just Brennan.
Anyone want to use the puppets to explain to me how the CIA gets to refuse to provide a briefing to Congress?
There is nothing. This is just Brennan.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:50 PM (6KgCk)
428
Is it Sacred Honor compelling him to do this?
Posted by: Darth Randall at December 15, 2016 01:50 PM (6n332)
429
I would say that is a call for a purge.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:49 PM (5Z34V)
Your concerned Christian conservative concern is:
[x] Noted
[ ] Not noted
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:49 PM (5Z34V)
Your concerned Christian conservative concern is:
[x] Noted
[ ] Not noted
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 01:50 PM (0mRoj)
430
Did anyone ever realize you can fill Bugles with all kinds of delicious things?
Peanut butter
Nutella
um, other stuff
Did anyone ever realize you can fill Bugles with all kinds of delicious things?
Peanut butter
Nutella
um, other stuff
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:50 PM (75UO5)
431
What is true is that not voting for Trump increased
the likelihood of Clinton winning. That's how it needed to be presented
all along. If you start here instead of taking the flying leap from
"dislike Trump" straight to "want Hillary to win", you can actually have
a conversation on whether that dislike is worth increasing the chances
of the witch winning.
Posted by: Cortillaen at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (rpKZV)
Cortillaen, you're technically correct, but the Horde doesn't do math.
the likelihood of Clinton winning. That's how it needed to be presented
all along. If you start here instead of taking the flying leap from
"dislike Trump" straight to "want Hillary to win", you can actually have
a conversation on whether that dislike is worth increasing the chances
of the witch winning.
Posted by: Cortillaen at December 15, 2016 01:46 PM (rpKZV)
Cortillaen, you're technically correct, but the Horde doesn't do math.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 15, 2016 01:50 PM (jK8Z7)
432
>>Agricultural policy in Britain explicitly favors and protects British farmers because they learned their lesson in WWII - be able to feed yourself, and not rely on trade to be able to do so. It's too tempting and easy to cut off trade to an island nation.
You'd think we would have learned some of those lesson dating back to the The War of Southern Treason. The South lost as much on lack of resources as much as anything else.
You'd think we would have learned some of those lesson dating back to the The War of Southern Treason. The South lost as much on lack of resources as much as anything else.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 01:51 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Gob-Smacked Rage Monkeys (Suck It, NR!) at December 15, 2016 01:51 PM (BK3ZS)
434
I have never seen the large size bags of them, which is probably a good thing.
I ate a few bags of those, someone bought a variety pack and couldn't eat them. They were good but boy you gotta be careful and you pay later for eating them. They aren't kidding when they say hot.
Erik Erickson (Traveling salesman/preacher/self-important slug/evangelist for the "Christ is a NeverTrumper" movement)
This I will never comprehend. Does he even know who was Caesar when Jesus was on earth? And what monsters those men were? "Render unto Caesar."
I ate a few bags of those, someone bought a variety pack and couldn't eat them. They were good but boy you gotta be careful and you pay later for eating them. They aren't kidding when they say hot.
Erik Erickson (Traveling salesman/preacher/self-important slug/evangelist for the "Christ is a NeverTrumper" movement)
This I will never comprehend. Does he even know who was Caesar when Jesus was on earth? And what monsters those men were? "Render unto Caesar."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:51 PM (39g3+)
435
Crushed Rice Krispies make good breading for Walleye, Perch and Crappie.
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2016 01:51 PM (UD0Gq)
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 15, 2016 01:51 PM (xeeHA)
437
It's also the case that if the #Nevertrumpers had a point about a non-binary choice, Hillary could have pledged to focus her Presidency on a narrow cast of issues that were least offensive to conservatives. But of course she didn't, because she didn't need to persuade them or win their support as it was freely given for nothing in return.
But she was going to win, and had every intention of winning big - and in any event claiming a broad left wing mandate and leading a blitzkrieg of long standing left wing agenda items from the SCOTUS on down. They were trying to make this happen, and largely for selfish reasons.
But she was going to win, and had every intention of winning big - and in any event claiming a broad left wing mandate and leading a blitzkrieg of long standing left wing agenda items from the SCOTUS on down. They were trying to make this happen, and largely for selfish reasons.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at December 15, 2016 01:51 PM (y/9kR)
438
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (5Z34V)
Nice strawmen you've built there.
I have come to like Trump more since the election than I did when I voted for him, because I approve of most of his picks and actions since then. But there has been plenty of argument here over those picks and plenty of disagreement. It's disingenuous for you to say that everyone who voted for or backed Trump is a blindly loyal follower of his.
"Also, the idea that NeverTrumpers were 90% liberal/progressive is deliberately disingenuous."
Who is saying this. I don't think they are liberal/progressive. I think they are TruCons with impossibly high standards of ideological purity and because of that some would have preferred a Hillary win. Now people like Sykes are being used by liberals/progressives who want to delegitimize Trump as much as possible.
Nice strawmen you've built there.
I have come to like Trump more since the election than I did when I voted for him, because I approve of most of his picks and actions since then. But there has been plenty of argument here over those picks and plenty of disagreement. It's disingenuous for you to say that everyone who voted for or backed Trump is a blindly loyal follower of his.
"Also, the idea that NeverTrumpers were 90% liberal/progressive is deliberately disingenuous."
Who is saying this. I don't think they are liberal/progressive. I think they are TruCons with impossibly high standards of ideological purity and because of that some would have preferred a Hillary win. Now people like Sykes are being used by liberals/progressives who want to delegitimize Trump as much as possible.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 01:52 PM (ZM2xo)
439
F him, sideways, with a flaming pineapple.
There must be a different Food Network on your cable.
There must be a different Food Network on your cable.
Posted by: DaveA at December 15, 2016 01:52 PM (8J/Te)
440
Because idiotic insults based on Trump's name NEVER get old.
No kidding, right?
And these douchebags *still* want to claim, "hey, I'm morally superior because I'm keeping my principles!"
No kidding, right?
And these douchebags *still* want to claim, "hey, I'm morally superior because I'm keeping my principles!"
Posted by: GMan at December 15, 2016 01:52 PM (sxq57)
441
"
Because idiotic insults based on Trump's name NEVER get old. "
Because accusations that not liking Trump was really a diabolical wish for Clintons in the White House never gets old..
Because idiotic insults based on Trump's name NEVER get old. "
Because accusations that not liking Trump was really a diabolical wish for Clintons in the White House never gets old..
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:52 PM (5Z34V)
442
425 NeverTrumpism is aesthetic. The NeverTrumper's sense of identity as a bien pensant outweighs their rationality.
Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at December 15, 2016 01:50 PM (yxrmx)
Everything outweighs their rationality because they are irrational. 12 month old children are capable of grasping, "If not this, then that."
Posted by: Phone of kari which, deplorably, features a headphone jack at December 15, 2016 01:50 PM (yxrmx)
Everything outweighs their rationality because they are irrational. 12 month old children are capable of grasping, "If not this, then that."
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:52 PM (6KgCk)
443
436 OT: Apparently SCOAMF says that states can't deny funds to Planned Parenthood.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 15, 2016 01:51 PM (xeeHA)
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For "political" reasons. So, whoever is in charge of whatever department gets to determine if the funds were pulled for political reasons.
I love how we live under the rule of law instead of the rule of men these days.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 15, 2016 01:51 PM (xeeHA)
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For "political" reasons. So, whoever is in charge of whatever department gets to determine if the funds were pulled for political reasons.
I love how we live under the rule of law instead of the rule of men these days.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:52 PM (5sBuX)
444
Okay.... Xe's a trangendered Viper Pilot with a current duty assignment on the Battlestar Galactica.
very TNG-ish inclusive of you ...
very TNG-ish inclusive of you ...
Posted by: Adriane the TV Critic ... at December 15, 2016 01:53 PM (AoK0a)
445
Crushed Rice Krispies make good breading for Walleye, Perch and Crappie.
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My hunger meter just pegged.
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My hunger meter just pegged.
Posted by: mrp at December 15, 2016 01:53 PM (JBggj)
446
The editors of ABC evening news with David Muir have seen fit to give a whole lotta minutes each evening covering the Dylan Roof racist mass murder trial.
The ultimate hate crime. White on black done for race.
They might as well title it, "hate in the time of Donald Trump." But they don't. They just go on with it right next to a Trump story.
Happening now with DJT as PEOTUS. How nice for ABC, and how nice of Mr Roof to plead not guilty and take this whole thing to trial.
Will they run the story tonight of the fake news recant in NYC, now that the lovely Muslim girl has done her sympathy haircut? Great optics, but not exactly the story the ABC editors fish for.
We'll see.
The ultimate hate crime. White on black done for race.
They might as well title it, "hate in the time of Donald Trump." But they don't. They just go on with it right next to a Trump story.
Happening now with DJT as PEOTUS. How nice for ABC, and how nice of Mr Roof to plead not guilty and take this whole thing to trial.
Will they run the story tonight of the fake news recant in NYC, now that the lovely Muslim girl has done her sympathy haircut? Great optics, but not exactly the story the ABC editors fish for.
We'll see.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 15, 2016 01:53 PM (U6f54)
447
Wheat thins.
Wheat thins are too sweet for me, but triscuits work great. So do shredded wheat biscuits.
Another pro tip: save the salty dust from the bottom of Diamond Smoked Almonds and use that instead of salt for your popcorn.
Smoked popcorn.
Wheat thins are too sweet for me, but triscuits work great. So do shredded wheat biscuits.
Another pro tip: save the salty dust from the bottom of Diamond Smoked Almonds and use that instead of salt for your popcorn.
Smoked popcorn.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:53 PM (39g3+)
448
A giant asteroid destroys earth. You are one of the survivors on a 6x6' island with one palm tree, The Hag, one of Barry's cabinet "wimmen" (Yellen, Lynch, etc), and a hungry honey badger. Sharks are circling the island. Prior to the go boom asteroid you had just taken a Cialis with your lady, so you have one of those four hour erections you have always dreamed of. What to do? Who to do?
Does the palm tree have coconuts?
A giant asteroid destroys earth. You are one of the survivors on a 6x6' island with one palm tree, The Hag, one of Barry's cabinet "wimmen" (Yellen, Lynch, etc), and a hungry honey badger. Sharks are circling the island. Prior to the go boom asteroid you had just taken a Cialis with your lady, so you have one of those four hour erections you have always dreamed of. What to do? Who to do?
Does the palm tree have coconuts?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2016 01:53 PM (lKyWE)
449
445 Crushed Rice Krispies make good breading for Walleye, Perch and Crappie.
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My hunger meter just pegged.
Posted by: mrp at December 15, 2016 01:53 PM (JBggj)
Phrasing!
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My hunger meter just pegged.
Posted by: mrp at December 15, 2016 01:53 PM (JBggj)
Phrasing!
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 01:53 PM (0mRoj)
450
Did anyone ever realize you can fill Bugles with all kinds of delicious things?
I can fill one with my wang!
I can fill one with my wang!
Posted by: Charlie Psyches at December 15, 2016 01:53 PM (ul9CR)
451
So. According to Sykes, if I think that Horrible Trump is better than More Horrible Clinton then I must think that there is a pedophile ring operating out of Comet Pizza.
Next!
So. According to Sykes, if I think that Horrible Trump is better than More Horrible Clinton then I must think that there is a pedophile ring operating out of Comet Pizza.
Next!
Posted by: ArthurK at December 15, 2016 01:53 PM (h53OH)
452
I saw Sacred Honor open for Mojo Nixon at the Brewery in Raleigh, 1996.
Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at December 15, 2016 01:54 PM (5kqPn)
453
404 Never heard of Charlie Sykes.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 01:47 PM (0mRoj)
I actually had. He was a guest on the ricochet podcast (I like James Lileks) right before the election. They had this guy representing NeverTrump and Victor Davis Hanson in the "pro" corner. This dude, it goes without saying, did not come off as the more intelligent argument.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 01:47 PM (0mRoj)
I actually had. He was a guest on the ricochet podcast (I like James Lileks) right before the election. They had this guy representing NeverTrump and Victor Davis Hanson in the "pro" corner. This dude, it goes without saying, did not come off as the more intelligent argument.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 15, 2016 01:54 PM (cqzjS)
454
I'd like to remind people like sipping bourbon that the nevertrumpers were planning to purge the party of Trump supporters upon a loss.
So FYNQ
So FYNQ
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 15, 2016 01:54 PM (kH4HS)
455
You'd think we would have learned some of those lesson dating back to the The War of Southern Treason. The South lost as much on lack of resources as much as anything else.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 01:51 PM (/tuJf)
Free trade, sure, but be prepared to adopt autarky as a fallback position, if necessary.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 01:51 PM (/tuJf)
Free trade, sure, but be prepared to adopt autarky as a fallback position, if necessary.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 01:54 PM (SRKgf)
456
I love how we live under the rule of law instead of the rule of men these days.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:52 PM (5sBuX)
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It's like the enlightenment never happened and we've gone back to feudalism.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:52 PM (5sBuX)
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It's like the enlightenment never happened and we've gone back to feudalism.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 15, 2016 01:54 PM (xeeHA)
457
some nevertrumpers just can't admit they were 100% wrong about Trump
but he's still not a conservative!!!
Right. Like George fucking Bush was a conservative.
some nevertrumpers just can't admit they were 100% wrong about Trump
but he's still not a conservative!!!
Right. Like George fucking Bush was a conservative.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:54 PM (75UO5)
458
No kidding, right?
And these douchebags *still* want to claim, "hey, I'm morally superior because I'm keeping my principles!"
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No. Not at all. I have values and principles, and I made a decision on.
You may have different values and principles.
Simple is that. No claim of superiority. If you feel insulted by it, its your problem.. not mine.
And these douchebags *still* want to claim, "hey, I'm morally superior because I'm keeping my principles!"
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No. Not at all. I have values and principles, and I made a decision on.
You may have different values and principles.
Simple is that. No claim of superiority. If you feel insulted by it, its your problem.. not mine.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:55 PM (5Z34V)
459
I actually had. He was a guest on the ricochet podcast (I like James Lileks) right before the election. They had this guy representing NeverTrump and Victor Davis Hanson in the "pro" corner. This dude, it goes without saying, did not come off as the more intelligent argument.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 15, 2016 01:54 PM (cqzjS)
He was probably a doof to begin with, but it's hard to look smart next to VDH even if you're on the ball.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 15, 2016 01:54 PM (cqzjS)
He was probably a doof to begin with, but it's hard to look smart next to VDH even if you're on the ball.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 01:55 PM (0mRoj)
460
Need a post on the hilarious "United for America" vid with all the Hollywood celebrities NOW professing their undying affection for the Constitution and the Electoral College and how these "heroes" can keep us from electing an unaccomplished demagogue to the presidency.
Where the hell were they eight years ago when Barry assumed the throne.
Where the hell were they eight years ago when Barry assumed the throne.
Posted by: Jingo Unchained! at December 15, 2016 01:55 PM (VFhMt)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at December 15, 2016 01:55 PM (ul9CR)
462
They had this guy representing NeverTrump and Victor Davis Hanson in the "pro" corner. This dude, it goes without saying, did not come off as the more intelligent argument.
Yeah well... there are few people on earth who would, against VDH.
I'd like to remind people like sipping bourbon that the nevertrumpers were planning to purge the party of Trump supporters upon a loss.
They still are trying to, with a Trump win.
Yeah well... there are few people on earth who would, against VDH.
I'd like to remind people like sipping bourbon that the nevertrumpers were planning to purge the party of Trump supporters upon a loss.
They still are trying to, with a Trump win.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:55 PM (39g3+)
463
441 "
Because idiotic insults based on Trump's name NEVER get old. "
Because accusations that not liking Trump was really a diabolical wish for Clintons in the White House never gets old..
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:52 PM (5Z34V)
You didn't read ace's piece. It's not about "liking" or not "liking" trump, it's a fucking comparison. It was 'liking" trump IN COMPARISON to Hillary.
Also, "orange" was the stupidest juvenile no-wit bs ever typed by so many who thought it was cute or funny or witty. Not.
Because idiotic insults based on Trump's name NEVER get old. "
Because accusations that not liking Trump was really a diabolical wish for Clintons in the White House never gets old..
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:52 PM (5Z34V)
You didn't read ace's piece. It's not about "liking" or not "liking" trump, it's a fucking comparison. It was 'liking" trump IN COMPARISON to Hillary.
Also, "orange" was the stupidest juvenile no-wit bs ever typed by so many who thought it was cute or funny or witty. Not.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:55 PM (6KgCk)
464
You'd think we would have learned some of those
lesson dating back to the The War of Southern Treason. The South lost as
much on lack of resources as much as anything else.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 01:51 PM (/tuJf)
Oh no, next you'll be saying the South could have won with longbows!
lesson dating back to the The War of Southern Treason. The South lost as
much on lack of resources as much as anything else.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 01:51 PM (/tuJf)
Oh no, next you'll be saying the South could have won with longbows!
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 15, 2016 01:55 PM (jK8Z7)
465
It's like the enlightenment never happened and we've gone back to feudalism.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 15, 2016 01:54 PM (xeeHA)
In the first Avengers movie, where Loki gives that speech in Berlin. He wasn't all wrong. Some men do want to be ruled.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 15, 2016 01:54 PM (xeeHA)
In the first Avengers movie, where Loki gives that speech in Berlin. He wasn't all wrong. Some men do want to be ruled.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (Om16U)
466
https://tinyurl.com/grhu69u
Rhodes: White House 'blew the whistle on Russian meddling'
sarahcwestwood
Reminder: Russia began hacking DNC in summer 2015, when virtually no one thought Trump had shot at GOP nomination
Rhodes: White House 'blew the whistle on Russian meddling'
sarahcwestwood
Reminder: Russia began hacking DNC in summer 2015, when virtually no one thought Trump had shot at GOP nomination
Posted by: Evilpens at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (y3aQB)
467
454 I'd like to remind people like sipping bourbon that the nevertrumpers were planning to purge the party of Trump supporters upon a loss.
So FYNQ
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I cannot speak for others.. Never suggested a purge myself.
So.. blow me.
So FYNQ
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I cannot speak for others.. Never suggested a purge myself.
So.. blow me.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (5Z34V)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (ul9CR)
469
I still laugh at 'Trumpelstiltskin'.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM
I still chuckle at "Trump 2016: We Shall Overcomb!"
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM
I still chuckle at "Trump 2016: We Shall Overcomb!"
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (p+Wdc)
470
Phrasing!
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 01:53 PM (0mRoj)
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I'll bite. Whatcha got?
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 01:53 PM (0mRoj)
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I'll bite. Whatcha got?
Posted by: mrp at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (JBggj)
471
Oh no, next you'll be saying the South could have won with longbows!
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 15, 2016 01:55 PM (jK8Z7)
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I think you mean crossbows.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 15, 2016 01:55 PM (jK8Z7)
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I think you mean crossbows.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (xeeHA)
472
456 It's like the enlightenment never happened and we've gone back to feudalism.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 15, 2016 01:54 PM (xeeHA)
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"Your ideas are all from old white men! Invalid!"
-Crybaby leftist college student
"Well, it's better than that other ideology formed by some other old dead white men."
-Me
"What do you mean?"
-Crybaby leftist college student
"Communism."
-Me
"That's different. Because shut up."
-Crybaby leftist college student's professor covering crybaby leftist college student's ears
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 15, 2016 01:54 PM (xeeHA)
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"Your ideas are all from old white men! Invalid!"
-Crybaby leftist college student
"Well, it's better than that other ideology formed by some other old dead white men."
-Me
"What do you mean?"
-Crybaby leftist college student
"Communism."
-Me
"That's different. Because shut up."
-Crybaby leftist college student's professor covering crybaby leftist college student's ears
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (5sBuX)
473
It's not so much a religion as it is the foundation of this country. Does anyone actually remember what the Boston Tea Party was all about? And that was just the culmination of years of the Brits trying to strangle any free trade in the Colonies.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (/tuJf)
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This is ahistorical nonsense. Our country was probably the most protectionist country in the world from its founding era to the end of ww2. And we only ended protectionism back then because any potential competitors lay either in ruins or were highly indebted to us.
And the Boston Tea Party was about sovereignty, not free trade.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 01:45 PM (/tuJf)
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This is ahistorical nonsense. Our country was probably the most protectionist country in the world from its founding era to the end of ww2. And we only ended protectionism back then because any potential competitors lay either in ruins or were highly indebted to us.
And the Boston Tea Party was about sovereignty, not free trade.
Posted by: Nurse Ratched at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (FDqSd)
474
There are, like, 5 'Charles' in the political media who I couldn't pick out of a lineup.
Charles Blow
Sykes
Johnson, maybe two johnsons, I dunno
Hurt
and more I can't remember right now
There are, like, 5 'Charles' in the political media who I couldn't pick out of a lineup.
Charles Blow
Sykes
Johnson, maybe two johnsons, I dunno
Hurt
and more I can't remember right now
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (75UO5)
475
Stupid Romneybots making up cute names for Trump. Can't they see how stupid that is?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (MqV0V)
476
360 Never heard of this guy, and I work in radio. Milwaukee market? Who cares.
Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell
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Really. I mean no one would of the existence of Milwaukee, but for me.
Posted by: Schlitz at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (ZO497)
Speaking of which, do beer companies allow "factory tours " anymore. Years ago I went on a "factory tour" of Strohs in Detroit. You didn't even have to waste time in some boring old factory. They took you straight to this hospitality room where you drank free beer and ate free sandwiches while watch Strohs commercials. Best factory tour evah.
I suppose nanny staters and lawsuit lawyers have ruined anything that involves free beer.
Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell
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Really. I mean no one would of the existence of Milwaukee, but for me.
Posted by: Schlitz at December 15, 2016 01:39 PM (ZO497)
Speaking of which, do beer companies allow "factory tours " anymore. Years ago I went on a "factory tour" of Strohs in Detroit. You didn't even have to waste time in some boring old factory. They took you straight to this hospitality room where you drank free beer and ate free sandwiches while watch Strohs commercials. Best factory tour evah.
I suppose nanny staters and lawsuit lawyers have ruined anything that involves free beer.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 15, 2016 01:57 PM (+lVUW)
477
>>Oh no, next you'll be saying the South could have won with longbows!
That's just silly.
Crossbows are far superior weapons.
That's just silly.
Crossbows are far superior weapons.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 01:57 PM (/tuJf)
478
Apparently SCOAMF says that states can't deny funds to Planned Parenthood.
Posted by: Moron Pundit
For 36 days ....
Posted by: Moron Pundit
For 36 days ....
Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2016 01:57 PM (2RVmA)
479
I would say that is a call for a purge.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:49 PM (5Z34V)
Is it a TruPurge when people leave of their own free will?
May I purge myself, or must I wait on another?
Is a place for purging a Purgatory?
Do those purged go to a Purgatorium?
If you return from a purging are you Repruged or Unpurged?
Is one who cannot be purged an Impurgable?
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:49 PM (5Z34V)
Is it a TruPurge when people leave of their own free will?
May I purge myself, or must I wait on another?
Is a place for purging a Purgatory?
Do those purged go to a Purgatorium?
If you return from a purging are you Repruged or Unpurged?
Is one who cannot be purged an Impurgable?
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Go Jolly Your Holly at the Outrage Outlet! at December 15, 2016 01:57 PM (hLRSq)
480
475 Stupid Romneybots making up cute names for Trump. Can't they see how stupid that is?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (MqV0V)
Nope. They're far too wrapped in their delusions of cleverness and intellectual superiority.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (MqV0V)
Nope. They're far too wrapped in their delusions of cleverness and intellectual superiority.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (0mRoj)
481
Apropos of nothing being discussed here - Yellen really needs her ass to be fired.
Posted by: IC at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (a0IVu)
482
465 In the first Avengers movie, where Loki gives that speech in Berlin. He wasn't all wrong. Some men do want to be ruled.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (Om16U)
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Like Joss Wheden.
Just not by people like you.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (Om16U)
================
Like Joss Wheden.
Just not by people like you.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (5sBuX)
Posted by: LASue, ever so deplorable at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (R2dMB)
484
Nah you just went along. Gotcha
Posted by: Bigbys Preening Fingers at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (kH4HS)
485
And the Boston Tea Party was about sovereignty, not free trade.
Posted by: Nurse Ratched
And monetary policy
Posted by: Nurse Ratched
And monetary policy
Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (2RVmA)
486
He wasn't all wrong. Some men do want to be ruled.
Most, I suspect. Its so much easier when someone else makes the decisions.
Most, I suspect. Its so much easier when someone else makes the decisions.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (39g3+)
487
No. Not at all. I have values and principles, and I made a decision on.
This fascinates me. Please name the values and principles. You know that "values and principles" are not generalities and have actual definitions, like the "principle of subsidiarity" or holding the "value of the traditional family" as good for society. What value or principle, specifically led you to think that Hillary was the better objective?
This fascinates me. Please name the values and principles. You know that "values and principles" are not generalities and have actual definitions, like the "principle of subsidiarity" or holding the "value of the traditional family" as good for society. What value or principle, specifically led you to think that Hillary was the better objective?
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (6KgCk)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2016 01:59 PM (mBYZv)
489
If you feel insulted by it, its your problem.. not mine.
What I'm a little insulted by, and you know this but are being mendacious, is the *name-calling* you and your ilk engage in. The whole Trumpkins. Trumpsters. Trumpers. Trumprumps. Trumplumps Trumptards...
You know, the thing that sparked the response I was commenting on.
But you keep right on being you.
What I'm a little insulted by, and you know this but are being mendacious, is the *name-calling* you and your ilk engage in. The whole Trumpkins. Trumpsters. Trumpers. Trumprumps. Trumplumps Trumptards...
You know, the thing that sparked the response I was commenting on.
But you keep right on being you.
Posted by: GMan at December 15, 2016 01:59 PM (sxq57)
490
473 And the Boston Tea Party was about sovereignty, not free trade.
Posted by: Nurse Ratched at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (FDqSd)
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We didn't have a direct voice in Parliament? When did this happen? Why wasn't I told?
Posted by: Nurse Ratched at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (FDqSd)
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We didn't have a direct voice in Parliament? When did this happen? Why wasn't I told?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:59 PM (5sBuX)
491
Alien Nation (198
Quotes
[after Sykes makes fun of George's name]
Det. Samuel 'George' Francisco: It is like your name... Sykes. I'm sure it doesn't bother you at all that it sounds like "ss'ai k'ss," two words in my language which mean "excrement" and "cranium."
[pause]
Det. Samuel 'George' Francisco: Shithead.
Quotes
[after Sykes makes fun of George's name]
Det. Samuel 'George' Francisco: It is like your name... Sykes. I'm sure it doesn't bother you at all that it sounds like "ss'ai k'ss," two words in my language which mean "excrement" and "cranium."
[pause]
Det. Samuel 'George' Francisco: Shithead.
Posted by: DaveA at December 15, 2016 01:59 PM (8J/Te)
492
480 475 Stupid Romneybots making up cute names for Trump. Can't they see how stupid that is?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (MqV0V)
Nope. They're far too wrapped in their delusions of cleverness and intellectual superiority.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (0mRoj)
My see my attempt at irony was a failure.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (MqV0V)
Nope. They're far too wrapped in their delusions of cleverness and intellectual superiority.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (0mRoj)
My see my attempt at irony was a failure.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 15, 2016 01:59 PM (MqV0V)
493
485 And the Boston Tea Party was about sovereignty, not free trade.
Posted by: Nurse Ratched
And monetary policy
Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (2RVmA)
And a secret but powerful society of coffee producers.
Posted by: Nurse Ratched
And monetary policy
Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (2RVmA)
And a secret but powerful society of coffee producers.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 01:59 PM (0mRoj)
494
Charles Blow
Sykes
Johnson, maybe two johnsons, I dunno
Hurt
and more I can't remember right now
Charlie Gibson, who professorially peered over his glasses while speaking to Palin like she was a three year old when he interviewed her.
Sykes
Johnson, maybe two johnsons, I dunno
Hurt
and more I can't remember right now
Charlie Gibson, who professorially peered over his glasses while speaking to Palin like she was a three year old when he interviewed her.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (ul9CR)
495
>>And the Boston Tea Party was about sovereignty, not free trade.
Horseshit. We were not a sovereign country at the time. It was a response to the British putting a tax on Tea that was not affiliated with East India Tea Company, for all intents a part of the British government.
Horseshit. We were not a sovereign country at the time. It was a response to the British putting a tax on Tea that was not affiliated with East India Tea Company, for all intents a part of the British government.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (/tuJf)
496
You didn't read ace's piece. It's not about "liking" or not "liking" trump, it's a fucking comparison. It was 'liking" trump IN COMPARISON to Hillary.
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And anyone else on the ticket, or written in. That's is why the option exists to vote for others, and/or write in.
I am not asking you to like the idea, but its the way it works.
I voted for someone else other than those two. I really don't care that he did not win. I did not vote for her. Simple as that.
And Trump still carried my State. And I accept that.
You didn't read ace's piece. It's not about "liking" or not "liking" trump, it's a fucking comparison. It was 'liking" trump IN COMPARISON to Hillary.
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And anyone else on the ticket, or written in. That's is why the option exists to vote for others, and/or write in.
I am not asking you to like the idea, but its the way it works.
I voted for someone else other than those two. I really don't care that he did not win. I did not vote for her. Simple as that.
And Trump still carried my State. And I accept that.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (5Z34V)
497
The truth is that even Reagan wasn't Reagan. At the time he was elected...
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Indeed. I *hated* Reagan when he was in office (gimme a break, I was 14 in 1980).
I was also thinking that this feels a lot like Reagan's election. I have no idea what Trump is going to do for/to the country, but he's clearly gearing up for big stuff, and I'm pretty excited. If he does nothing else but clear the way for a REAL economic recovery, he'll have been worth it. (I've been either unemployed or contracting for the past year and a half. I know how bad the economy really is, and watching things like the CCI and the stock market soar really makes me optimistic.)
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Indeed. I *hated* Reagan when he was in office (gimme a break, I was 14 in 1980).
I was also thinking that this feels a lot like Reagan's election. I have no idea what Trump is going to do for/to the country, but he's clearly gearing up for big stuff, and I'm pretty excited. If he does nothing else but clear the way for a REAL economic recovery, he'll have been worth it. (I've been either unemployed or contracting for the past year and a half. I know how bad the economy really is, and watching things like the CCI and the stock market soar really makes me optimistic.)
Posted by: Hipster Doofus at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (zSMr0)
498
Russia began hacking DNC in summer 2015, when virtually no one thought Trump had shot at GOP nomination
Posted by: Evilpens at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (y3aQB)
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Yep.
Ive pointed out to more than one idiot that the Russians must have better polling than the Donks because the Donks thought this was gonna be a lay up.
Talk of even taking the House. Why..... Hildabags was even trying to run up the score in Texas. Predicting the End of the Republican Party.
Posted by: Evilpens at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (y3aQB)
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Yep.
Ive pointed out to more than one idiot that the Russians must have better polling than the Donks because the Donks thought this was gonna be a lay up.
Talk of even taking the House. Why..... Hildabags was even trying to run up the score in Texas. Predicting the End of the Republican Party.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (8XRCm)
499
My see my attempt at irony was a failure.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 15, 2016 01:59 PM (MqV0V)
Ah. I read too fast and glossed right over "Romneybots." My bad.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 15, 2016 01:59 PM (MqV0V)
Ah. I read too fast and glossed right over "Romneybots." My bad.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (0mRoj)
500
Speaking of which, do beer companies allow "factory
tours " anymore. Years ago I went on a "factory tour" of Strohs in
Detroit. You didn't even have to waste time in some boring old factory.
They took you straight to this hospitality room where you drank free
beer and ate free sandwiches while watch Strohs commercials. Best
factory tour evah.
I suppose nanny staters and lawsuit lawyers have ruined anything that involves free beer.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 15, 2016 01:57 PM (+lVUW)
Spoetzel Brwery, which makes Shiner Bock, does.
https://www.shiner.com/brewery/tours
tours " anymore. Years ago I went on a "factory tour" of Strohs in
Detroit. You didn't even have to waste time in some boring old factory.
They took you straight to this hospitality room where you drank free
beer and ate free sandwiches while watch Strohs commercials. Best
factory tour evah.
I suppose nanny staters and lawsuit lawyers have ruined anything that involves free beer.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 15, 2016 01:57 PM (+lVUW)
Spoetzel Brwery, which makes Shiner Bock, does.
https://www.shiner.com/brewery/tours
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 15, 2016 02:01 PM (jK8Z7)
501
The War of Southern Treason.
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* thoughtfully begins tamping home .36 balls in the Griswold & Gunnison*
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* thoughtfully begins tamping home .36 balls in the Griswold & Gunnison*
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 15, 2016 02:01 PM (ZO497)
502
Most, I suspect. Its so much easier when someone else makes the decisions.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (39g3+)
As long as the people making the decisions don't piss in THEIR cereal bowl, they're fine letting them be in charge.
The left, however, wants to fill every cereal bowl to the brim.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (39g3+)
As long as the people making the decisions don't piss in THEIR cereal bowl, they're fine letting them be in charge.
The left, however, wants to fill every cereal bowl to the brim.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 15, 2016 02:01 PM (xeeHA)
503
"Where the hell were [hypocrite asshole celebrities] eight years ago when Barry assumed the throne."
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Jockeying for position to sniff the throne.
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Jockeying for position to sniff the throne.
Posted by: Kensington at December 15, 2016 02:01 PM (Cw3TC)
504
Okay, if what the "Russian Hack" amounts to is informing the American public about all the corrupt shit the Clintons are involved in, good. If they're stuffing ballot boxes in Detroit, that's a problem. But I think we know who was stuffing ballot boxes in Detroit, and it wasn't Russians.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 15, 2016 02:01 PM (+lVUW)
505
And Trump still carried my State. And I accept that.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (5Z34V)
Well, that's mighty white of ya.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (5Z34V)
Well, that's mighty white of ya.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 02:01 PM (0mRoj)
506
485 And the Boston Tea Party was about sovereignty, not free trade.
Posted by: Nurse Ratched
And monetary policy
Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (2RVmA)
And regulatory affairs. The ships couldn't leave the harbor without unloading and Boston wouldn't let them unload because they didn't want the cheap tea to put local businesses out of business. The Sons of Liberty helped them out.
Posted by: Nurse Ratched
And monetary policy
Posted by: Jean at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (2RVmA)
And regulatory affairs. The ships couldn't leave the harbor without unloading and Boston wouldn't let them unload because they didn't want the cheap tea to put local businesses out of business. The Sons of Liberty helped them out.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 02:01 PM (6KgCk)
507
And monetary policy
And free trade. Everything for New Englanders was about trade at least to some degree.
And free trade. Everything for New Englanders was about trade at least to some degree.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 02:01 PM (39g3+)
508
NYT: All The Newz That's Fit For Livs
Posted by: Hank at December 15, 2016 02:02 PM (yp/Q6)
509
430
Did anyone ever realize you can fill Bugles with all kinds of delicious things?
You also can put them on your fingertips and pretend you are WitchyPoo.
Did anyone ever realize you can fill Bugles with all kinds of delicious things?
You also can put them on your fingertips and pretend you are WitchyPoo.
Posted by: LASue, ever so deplorable at December 15, 2016 02:02 PM (R2dMB)
510
>>>the conservatives who had been successful here had tended to be serious, reform-oriented and able to express their ideas in more than 140 characters
LMAO!!! I see what you did there you sniveling little shitstain.
LMAO!!! I see what you did there you sniveling little shitstain.
Posted by: Max Power at December 15, 2016 02:02 PM (q177U)
511
503 "Where the hell were [hypocrite asshole celebrities] eight years ago when Barry assumed the throne."
Jockeying for position to sniff the throne.
Posted by: Kensington at December 15, 2016 02:01 PM (Cw3TC)
Making that revolting "I Pledge" video.
503 "Where the hell were [hypocrite asshole celebrities] eight years ago when Barry assumed the throne."
Jockeying for position to sniff the throne.
Posted by: Kensington at December 15, 2016 02:01 PM (Cw3TC)
Making that revolting "I Pledge" video.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Gob-Smacked Rage Monkeys (Suck It, NR!) at December 15, 2016 02:02 PM (BK3ZS)
512
Speaking of which, do beer companies allow "factory tours " anymore. Years ago I went on a "factory tour" of Strohs in Detroit. You didn't even have to waste time in some boring old factory. They took you straight to this hospitality room where you drank free beer and ate free sandwiches while watch Strohs commercials. Best factory tour evah.
I suppose nanny staters and lawsuit lawyers have ruined anything that involves free beer.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 15, 2016 01:57 PM (+lVUW)
Still do them at Miller. I haven't been on one in decades though.
I suppose nanny staters and lawsuit lawyers have ruined anything that involves free beer.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 15, 2016 01:57 PM (+lVUW)
Still do them at Miller. I haven't been on one in decades though.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 02:03 PM (ZM2xo)
513
509 430
Did anyone ever realize you can fill Bugles with all kinds of delicious things?
You also can put them on your fingertips and pretend you are WitchyPoo.
Posted by: LASue, ever so deplorable at December 15, 2016 02:02 PM (R2dMB)
You're weird.
Did anyone ever realize you can fill Bugles with all kinds of delicious things?
You also can put them on your fingertips and pretend you are WitchyPoo.
Posted by: LASue, ever so deplorable at December 15, 2016 02:02 PM (R2dMB)
You're weird.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 15, 2016 02:03 PM (0mRoj)
514
*i* want to be ruled. it's a waste of my time to do policy. I'm not a wonk and I don't claim to be good at policy. all I really want is to be left alone to do my job, go home, do hobbies and sleep. and for the local baron not to schtup my wife on the wedding night
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 15, 2016 02:03 PM (czuvT)
515
If "true conservatism" desires smaller government, wouldn't Trump nominating people who have stated the desire to dismantle the departments they're nominated to run be a GREAT thing?
Almost like it's not really about being conservative at all.
Almost like it's not really about being conservative at all.
Posted by: Traye at December 15, 2016 02:03 PM (Ic39r)
516
Speaking of which, do beer companies allow "factory
tours " anymore.
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The tours here are actually a business here. Big business. Asheville.
tours " anymore.
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The tours here are actually a business here. Big business. Asheville.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 15, 2016 02:03 PM (ZO497)
517
You also can put them on your fingertips and pretend you are WitchyPoo.
Hahaha, we did that, too. I forgot.
and You're Old!!
You also can put them on your fingertips and pretend you are WitchyPoo.
Hahaha, we did that, too. I forgot.
and You're Old!!
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 15, 2016 02:03 PM (75UO5)
518
Charlie Gibson, who professorially peered over his glasses while speaking to Palin like she was a three year old when he interviewed her.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (ul9CR)
He was doing his impression of what he thought a professor grilling a student would do. Pissed me off, too.
Also, am I the only one who hates that pursed lips thing he does, as though he just sucked a lemon or ... whatever?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (ul9CR)
He was doing his impression of what he thought a professor grilling a student would do. Pissed me off, too.
Also, am I the only one who hates that pursed lips thing he does, as though he just sucked a lemon or ... whatever?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 15, 2016 02:04 PM (SRKgf)
519
495
>>And the Boston Tea Party was about sovereignty, not free trade.
Horseshit. We were not a sovereign country at the time. It was a
response to the British putting a tax on Tea that was not affiliated
with East India Tea Company, for all intents a part of the British
government.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (/tuJf)
And against other forms of mercantilism, too. Some articles were forbidden to be manufactured in the colonies, so the raw materials had to be sent to England and then the colonists had to buy the finished products from England.
>>And the Boston Tea Party was about sovereignty, not free trade.
Horseshit. We were not a sovereign country at the time. It was a
response to the British putting a tax on Tea that was not affiliated
with East India Tea Company, for all intents a part of the British
government.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (/tuJf)
And against other forms of mercantilism, too. Some articles were forbidden to be manufactured in the colonies, so the raw materials had to be sent to England and then the colonists had to buy the finished products from England.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 15, 2016 02:04 PM (jK8Z7)
520
You also can put them on your fingertips and pretend you are WitchyPoo.
Wiping off my monitor, then I'm gonna shove a couple of bon-bons through the USB port for you!
Wiping off my monitor, then I'm gonna shove a couple of bon-bons through the USB port for you!Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at December 15, 2016 02:04 PM (ul9CR)
521
Simple is that. No claim of superiority. If you feel insulted by it, its your problem.. not mine.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:55 PM (5Z34V)
Oh pull the other one it's got bells on it.
Grow up. You tossed out Trumpette which is an obvious insult. This sniveling if you feel insulted is just childish. You, out of your own free will, chose to lead with an insult. You don't get to now dodge the consequences of your choice.
After all, I'm certain that someone who believes in principles and ideals as you proclaim you do surely believes in personal responsibility after all.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 01:55 PM (5Z34V)
Oh pull the other one it's got bells on it.
Grow up. You tossed out Trumpette which is an obvious insult. This sniveling if you feel insulted is just childish. You, out of your own free will, chose to lead with an insult. You don't get to now dodge the consequences of your choice.
After all, I'm certain that someone who believes in principles and ideals as you proclaim you do surely believes in personal responsibility after all.
Posted by: alexthechick - rrraaawwwrrr at December 15, 2016 02:05 PM (mf5HN)
522
sippin_bourbon, ya know, Trump hasn't been sworn in yet. You could, perhaps, try giving him a chance.
I don't see how a conservative can quibble about most of his cabinet picks, but remember, his worst pick will be better than Hillary's best.
I don't see how a conservative can quibble about most of his cabinet picks, but remember, his worst pick will be better than Hillary's best.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 02:05 PM (ZM2xo)
523
This is ahistorical nonsense. Our country was
probably the most protectionist country in the world from its founding
era to the end of ww2. And we only ended protectionism back then because
any potential competitors lay either in ruins or were highly indebted
to us.
And the Boston Tea Party was about sovereignty, not free trade.
Posted by: Nurse Ratched at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (FDqSd)
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I agree with the first paragraph. The Boston Tea Party was a reaction to the heavy-handed enforcement of the UK's Mercantile trade system. American's wanted direct trade with foreign countries. American iron works, for instance, could only pour pig iron, which was then exported ONLY to England for refinement, The refined iron was then shipped back to the colionies for small-scale manufacturing purposes. Taxes and product cost-markups all the way around and coming out of the colonists' wallets.
probably the most protectionist country in the world from its founding
era to the end of ww2. And we only ended protectionism back then because
any potential competitors lay either in ruins or were highly indebted
to us.
And the Boston Tea Party was about sovereignty, not free trade.
Posted by: Nurse Ratched at December 15, 2016 01:56 PM (FDqSd)
======================
I agree with the first paragraph. The Boston Tea Party was a reaction to the heavy-handed enforcement of the UK's Mercantile trade system. American's wanted direct trade with foreign countries. American iron works, for instance, could only pour pig iron, which was then exported ONLY to England for refinement, The refined iron was then shipped back to the colionies for small-scale manufacturing purposes. Taxes and product cost-markups all the way around and coming out of the colonists' wallets.
Posted by: mrp at December 15, 2016 02:05 PM (JBggj)
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So "hack" now means "meddling" and "meddling" now means simply making public accurate and important information the MSM refuses to investigate or report on?
Got it.
Got it.
Posted by: LASue, ever so deplorable at December 15, 2016 02:05 PM (R2dMB)
525
Nood.
Posted by: Moron Pundit at December 15, 2016 02:05 PM (xeeHA)
526
Still do them at Miller. I haven't been on one in decades though.
Well, its Miller, who'd want to?
You also can put them on your fingertips and pretend you are WitchyPoo.
I was always a ferocious jungle cat, thank you very much.
Well, its Miller, who'd want to?
You also can put them on your fingertips and pretend you are WitchyPoo.
I was always a ferocious jungle cat, thank you very much.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 02:06 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Charles Gibson at December 15, 2016 02:06 PM (39g3+)
528
Just in on YaHOooo news.
None of the DC or surrounding suburbs high school marching bands have even applied to perform for the inauguration.
Suck on that you right wingers!!!
None of the DC or surrounding suburbs high school marching bands have even applied to perform for the inauguration.
Suck on that you right wingers!!!
Posted by: Bruce at December 15, 2016 02:06 PM (8ikIW)
529
So the EU as of 1/1/2017 will require anyone with a house bigger than 2000 square feet to take in an immigrant.........
Posted by: MAC-SOG at December 15, 2016 02:06 PM (QPdNE)
530
I don't see how a conservative can quibble about
most of his cabinet picks, but remember, his worst pick will be better
than Hillary's best.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 02:05 PM (ZM2xo)
VP pick was a winner too. It may have been what got him elected (in addition to the wall).
most of his cabinet picks, but remember, his worst pick will be better
than Hillary's best.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 15, 2016 02:05 PM (ZM2xo)
VP pick was a winner too. It may have been what got him elected (in addition to the wall).
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 15, 2016 02:07 PM (jK8Z7)
531
And anyone else on the ticket, or written in. That's is why the option exists to vote for others, and/or write in.
I am not asking you to like the idea, but its the way it works.
I voted for someone else other than those two. I really don't care that he did not win. I did not vote for her. Simple as that.
And Trump still carried my State. And I accept that.Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (5Z34V)
But a republican voter who threw away their vote was helping Hillary. So "awesome" though that you're "ok" with Trump winning your state, since the alternative was Hillary "winning" your state. I get that you prefered that but present company here isn't real big on the disaster that would have been.
Really though, can you elaborate on what the "principle" was that made your vote impotent? This fascinates me.
The other fascinating common pronouncement is about "conscience." There is no value to mal formed or unformed "consciences." People keep throwing "conscience" out there as if the mal/unformed conscience weren't as stupid and dangerous as the people themselves.
I am not asking you to like the idea, but its the way it works.
I voted for someone else other than those two. I really don't care that he did not win. I did not vote for her. Simple as that.
And Trump still carried my State. And I accept that.Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 02:00 PM (5Z34V)
But a republican voter who threw away their vote was helping Hillary. So "awesome" though that you're "ok" with Trump winning your state, since the alternative was Hillary "winning" your state. I get that you prefered that but present company here isn't real big on the disaster that would have been.
Really though, can you elaborate on what the "principle" was that made your vote impotent? This fascinates me.
The other fascinating common pronouncement is about "conscience." There is no value to mal formed or unformed "consciences." People keep throwing "conscience" out there as if the mal/unformed conscience weren't as stupid and dangerous as the people themselves.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 02:08 PM (6KgCk)
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>>And against other forms of mercantilism, too. Some articles were forbidden to be manufactured in the colonies, so the raw materials had to be sent to England and then the colonists had to buy the finished products from England.
Exactly. The whole taxation without representation movement reached it's peak with the Tea Party but at the time we were still under colonial rule.
The Brits responded with the Coercive Acts and shut down the port of Boston to most shipping by the colonists and the colonists responded by calling the first Continental Congress. All because people wanted to be free to trade without the heavy hand of government interfering with their trade.
By the way, December 16th was the date of the Boston Tea Party. We can celebrate tomorrow.
Exactly. The whole taxation without representation movement reached it's peak with the Tea Party but at the time we were still under colonial rule.
The Brits responded with the Coercive Acts and shut down the port of Boston to most shipping by the colonists and the colonists responded by calling the first Continental Congress. All because people wanted to be free to trade without the heavy hand of government interfering with their trade.
By the way, December 16th was the date of the Boston Tea Party. We can celebrate tomorrow.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 02:08 PM (/tuJf)
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376 ....I believe his take was trump wasn't sufficiently SoCon enough. I think that's a big reason Trump won. he stayed out of that debate....
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (ty7RM)
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He wisely, IMO, stayed out of the LGBTWTFBBQ issues and even reached out to that sector.
But he did have to address the abortion question. He stumbled there in the primaries, not quite knowing what so-cons wanted to hear. (Imprisoning women was not the right answer!)
In the general he downplayed the issue where he could, but more importantly, he hit a home-run where he couldn't. That 3rd debate, where he focused squarely on LATE-TERM abortion, was a winner. You could tell he was actually sincere about it too.
I personally know 3 so-con #Nevertrumpers who came over to his side after that debate. And it energized the pro-life GOTV groups ....bigly.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2016 01:42 PM (ty7RM)
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He wisely, IMO, stayed out of the LGBTWTFBBQ issues and even reached out to that sector.
But he did have to address the abortion question. He stumbled there in the primaries, not quite knowing what so-cons wanted to hear. (Imprisoning women was not the right answer!)
In the general he downplayed the issue where he could, but more importantly, he hit a home-run where he couldn't. That 3rd debate, where he focused squarely on LATE-TERM abortion, was a winner. You could tell he was actually sincere about it too.
I personally know 3 so-con #Nevertrumpers who came over to his side after that debate. And it energized the pro-life GOTV groups ....bigly.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 15, 2016 02:08 PM (Nox3c)
534
528 Just in on YaHOooo news.
None of the DC or surrounding suburbs high school marching bands have even applied to perform for the inauguration.
Suck on that you right wingers!!!
Posted by: Bruce at December 15, 2016 02:06 PM (8ikIW)
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"I'm convinced. I'm not voting for Hillary Clinton now. I'm assuming that my Republican counterparts will now not vote for Trump."
-Democratic Elector
None of the DC or surrounding suburbs high school marching bands have even applied to perform for the inauguration.
Suck on that you right wingers!!!
Posted by: Bruce at December 15, 2016 02:06 PM (8ikIW)
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"I'm convinced. I'm not voting for Hillary Clinton now. I'm assuming that my Republican counterparts will now not vote for Trump."
-Democratic Elector
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 02:08 PM (5sBuX)
535
>>And the Boston Tea Party was about sovereignty, not free trade.
Horseshit. We were not a sovereign country at the time. It was a response to the British putting a tax on Tea that was not affiliated with East India Tea Company, for all intents a part of the British government.
Posted by: JackStraw
It was a rebellion by my people against the white devils who invaded us. Get your history straight.
Horseshit. We were not a sovereign country at the time. It was a response to the British putting a tax on Tea that was not affiliated with East India Tea Company, for all intents a part of the British government.
Posted by: JackStraw
It was a rebellion by my people against the white devils who invaded us. Get your history straight.
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at December 15, 2016 02:09 PM (mBYZv)
536
charliespiering
Monica Crowley announced as Senior Director of Strategic Communications for the National Security Council
She is dumb as a box of rocks
Monica Crowley announced as Senior Director of Strategic Communications for the National Security Council
She is dumb as a box of rocks
Posted by: Evilpens at December 15, 2016 02:09 PM (y3aQB)
537
But you keep right on being you.
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Thanks
I will.
I guess maybe I have a thicker skin than others because of being called "racist" for opposing Obama policies for 8 years (regardless of that fact that the color of his skin has nothing to do with the policies they were pushing).
I stopped caring about what names I was called. I assume others are the same, I supposed I was wrong.
I don't care if I am called a "never trumper". I was. But there is a an assumption, it seems, that they are all the same, and all secretly liberal, and all still opposed to him, despite the election.
Ace said "I want them gone". That is a call for a purge. I think that lumping all into one bin, and then wanting to dump everyone out is foolish. That was the point of my original post.
I gotta get back to work.
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Thanks
I will.
I guess maybe I have a thicker skin than others because of being called "racist" for opposing Obama policies for 8 years (regardless of that fact that the color of his skin has nothing to do with the policies they were pushing).
I stopped caring about what names I was called. I assume others are the same, I supposed I was wrong.
I don't care if I am called a "never trumper". I was. But there is a an assumption, it seems, that they are all the same, and all secretly liberal, and all still opposed to him, despite the election.
Ace said "I want them gone". That is a call for a purge. I think that lumping all into one bin, and then wanting to dump everyone out is foolish. That was the point of my original post.
I gotta get back to work.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 02:09 PM (5Z34V)
Posted by: An Observation at December 15, 2016 02:09 PM (tWcjU)
539
Nood
Posted by: Bruce at December 15, 2016 02:10 PM (8ikIW)
540
Just not by people like you.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (5sBuX)
I would make an awesome ruler.
My grammar re-education camps would be classy. Very classy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2016 01:58 PM (5sBuX)
I would make an awesome ruler.
My grammar re-education camps would be classy. Very classy.
Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at December 15, 2016 02:11 PM (Om16U)
541
We (I) lost that argument.
Isn't it more productive to sit down and shut up and try to figure out why before
#ThatsHowYouGetTrump covers it. The ideas are still there, valid and will be waiting 8 years from now.
Isn't it more productive to sit down and shut up and try to figure out why before
#ThatsHowYouGetTrump covers it. The ideas are still there, valid and will be waiting 8 years from now.
Posted by: DaveA at December 15, 2016 02:11 PM (8J/Te)
542
"It's not so much a religion as it is the foundation of this country.
Does anyone actually remember what the Boston Tea Party was all about?' jack straw
That was about protecting us from government? About fighting for our own interests. We were just colonies, enriching a far away government with their tea monopoly.
Anyway, our country is not about making the world a better place. It is about states getting together to make a federal government that would defend us in wars .... common defense. "We" were very wary of immigration from foreign lands from the start, but at the beginning we depended on imports for some things, I suppose.
Defending our country means in trade and war, and immigration. Foreigners or foreign ownership (via deficit money) are both contrary to "provide for the common defense". as I see it.
I like these guys, for reference.
http://www.prosperousamerica.org/issue_papers
Does anyone actually remember what the Boston Tea Party was all about?' jack straw
That was about protecting us from government? About fighting for our own interests. We were just colonies, enriching a far away government with their tea monopoly.
Anyway, our country is not about making the world a better place. It is about states getting together to make a federal government that would defend us in wars .... common defense. "We" were very wary of immigration from foreign lands from the start, but at the beginning we depended on imports for some things, I suppose.
Defending our country means in trade and war, and immigration. Foreigners or foreign ownership (via deficit money) are both contrary to "provide for the common defense". as I see it.
I like these guys, for reference.
http://www.prosperousamerica.org/issue_papers
Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2016 02:12 PM (LcUYB)
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Ace said "I want them gone". That is a call for a purge. I think that lumping all into one bin, and then wanting to dump everyone out is foolish. That was the point of my original post.
I gotta get back to work.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 02:09 PM (5Z34V)
Hopefully you're better at your job than you are at reading comprehension.
I gotta get back to work.
Posted by: sippin_bourbon at December 15, 2016 02:09 PM (5Z34V)
Hopefully you're better at your job than you are at reading comprehension.
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2016 02:13 PM (bMG0w)
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re brewery tours
In my yoot living in the Napa Valley, one of the things my brother and I did for fun on days of financial embarrassment was "tour" the wineries. A very nice buzz could be had for the price of gas to get there.
It used to be an enterprising yoot could copy that buzz at one stop.
Alas, no more. By law the wineries are only allowed to dispense only enough product for a taste.
In my yoot living in the Napa Valley, one of the things my brother and I did for fun on days of financial embarrassment was "tour" the wineries. A very nice buzz could be had for the price of gas to get there.
It used to be an enterprising yoot could copy that buzz at one stop.
Alas, no more. By law the wineries are only allowed to dispense only enough product for a taste.
Posted by: Hank at December 15, 2016 02:13 PM (yp/Q6)
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They do a "Brewery" tour in Columbus where you are driven to several small Beer and Whiskey, it's great my brother got it for me last Christmas. Ohio Finally passed a law where you can get samples at the Whiskey Distillery.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2016 02:13 PM (dKiJG)
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I'm suresome WV or NC band will be happy to march.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2016 02:13 PM (6KgCk)
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I am just laughing at these self important "Electors"
I honestly couldn't give two shit what they do or who they vote for.
If they all voted Hillary, I could not give the slightest fuck.
I honestly couldn't give two shit what they do or who they vote for.
If they all voted Hillary, I could not give the slightest fuck.
Posted by: Max Power at December 15, 2016 02:14 PM (q177U)
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>>That was about protecting us from government? About fighting for our own interests. We were just colonies, enriching a far away government with their tea monopoly.
Yes. Specifically.
Yes. Specifically.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 02:14 PM (/tuJf)
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Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 15, 2016 02:08 PM
I believe his position was solely strategic. I had to overlook his earlier adamant pro choice positions including partial birth abortion. Thst it's his stated position now though is good even if just strategic.
I believe his position was solely strategic. I had to overlook his earlier adamant pro choice positions including partial birth abortion. Thst it's his stated position now though is good even if just strategic.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 15, 2016 02:14 PM (MqV0V)
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Exactly. The whole taxation without representation movement reached it's peak with the Tea Party but at the time we were still under colonial rule.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 02:08 PM (/tuJf)
Where on earth do you get the idea that i deny that we were still colonies in 1773? I also dont doubt that the colonists wanted export markets for their goods - everybody does. But this isnt free trade unless its a two-way street and we were never keen to reciprocate.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 02:08 PM (/tuJf)
Where on earth do you get the idea that i deny that we were still colonies in 1773? I also dont doubt that the colonists wanted export markets for their goods - everybody does. But this isnt free trade unless its a two-way street and we were never keen to reciprocate.
Posted by: Nurse Ratched at December 15, 2016 02:18 PM (FDqSd)
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If you ever do the Guinness factory tour, you get taken to the top of the highest building in Dublin and you drink well Guinness and since most people hate Guinness they would hand me their tickets for the beer and I had my fill, too bad it was September 11 2001, when we left the tour my wife and I found out all Hell broke loose. Glad I had some beer in me.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2016 02:18 PM (dKiJG)
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Well... Bye
Posted by: Curly at December 15, 2016 02:21 PM (Hi6cL)
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The only revelation of this article is that at least some of the swamp will be self-draining.
Posted by: csmats at December 15, 2016 02:28 PM (X5VFN)
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>>Where on earth do you get the idea that i deny that we were still colonies in 1773? I also dont doubt that the colonists wanted export markets for their goods - everybody does. But this isnt free trade unless its a two-way street and we were never keen to reciprocate.
Because you claimed it was about sovereignty which is just flat wrong. They were Englishmen and demanded the right of Englishmen which was expressly noted in the English Bill of Rights.
The colonists had no representation in Parliament and felt aggrieved that they were constantly being hit with taxes without anyway to plead their case before Parliament which was the right of all Englishmen. They weren't looking for sovereignty at the time, they were looking for the government to honor their rights.
When it became clear that the Brits were not going to honor those rights and would instead double down with more tyrannical acts, that was the beginning of a move toward sovereignty. And again, it was predicated on the British government not allowing them the free trade that was available to other British subject.
Because you claimed it was about sovereignty which is just flat wrong. They were Englishmen and demanded the right of Englishmen which was expressly noted in the English Bill of Rights.
The colonists had no representation in Parliament and felt aggrieved that they were constantly being hit with taxes without anyway to plead their case before Parliament which was the right of all Englishmen. They weren't looking for sovereignty at the time, they were looking for the government to honor their rights.
When it became clear that the Brits were not going to honor those rights and would instead double down with more tyrannical acts, that was the beginning of a move toward sovereignty. And again, it was predicated on the British government not allowing them the free trade that was available to other British subject.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2016 02:28 PM (/tuJf)
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You guys foisted turds on us in '08 and '12 and we ate the sandwich with a sickly grin. Eat this one. Eat it hard.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:24 PM (39g3+)
The AoSHQ Quote of the Year.
You guys foisted turds on us in '08 and '12 and we ate the sandwich with a sickly grin. Eat this one. Eat it hard.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:24 PM (39g3+)
The AoSHQ Quote of the Year.
Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2016 02:50 PM (zoehZ)
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"And again, it was predicated on the British
government not allowing them the free trade that was available to other
British subject.
Posted by: JackStraw
true, at the time. They worked within the rule of British law, so it does not seem to apply to global free trade. But I guess your point is good, the colonies could have traded "freely" with some other foreign entity.
I don't see that applying broadly to the foundation of the country being about global free trade, but I have a lot of reading to do before speaking with authority.
Simply to me, it is defensive to put our own people to work first. Certainly "free trade" CAN be a tool for making the world a better place. But it always comes down to specific deals. Comparative advantage stuff has a lot of limitations as well. There are many "externalities" that invade on pure economic theory.
http://www.americaneconomicalert.org/view_art.asp?Prod_ID=3076
government not allowing them the free trade that was available to other
British subject.
Posted by: JackStraw
true, at the time. They worked within the rule of British law, so it does not seem to apply to global free trade. But I guess your point is good, the colonies could have traded "freely" with some other foreign entity.
I don't see that applying broadly to the foundation of the country being about global free trade, but I have a lot of reading to do before speaking with authority.
Simply to me, it is defensive to put our own people to work first. Certainly "free trade" CAN be a tool for making the world a better place. But it always comes down to specific deals. Comparative advantage stuff has a lot of limitations as well. There are many "externalities" that invade on pure economic theory.
http://www.americaneconomicalert.org/view_art.asp?Prod_ID=3076
Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2016 02:51 PM (LcUYB)
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This is terrible news. All I can say is: Who?
Posted by: Doug Walker at December 15, 2016 02:52 PM (M9SHx)
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I remember Sykes tried to sandbag Trump in the run-up to the WI primary.
Good riddance, it is obvious he chose to call himself a "conservative' not out of belief but because it was the way to advance his career. Now, he finds he can advance his career going the other way.
If the liberals are smart they will avoid him like the plague, he is just an opportunist waiting to stab you in the back.
Good riddance, it is obvious he chose to call himself a "conservative' not out of belief but because it was the way to advance his career. Now, he finds he can advance his career going the other way.
If the liberals are smart they will avoid him like the plague, he is just an opportunist waiting to stab you in the back.
Posted by: mhj at December 15, 2016 02:55 PM (oqESW)
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262
You guys foisted turds on us in '08 and '12 and we ate the sandwich with a sickly grin. Eat this one. Eat it hard.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:24 PM (39g3+)
The AoSHQ Quote of the Year.
I second the nomination.
You guys foisted turds on us in '08 and '12 and we ate the sandwich with a sickly grin. Eat this one. Eat it hard.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 15, 2016 01:24 PM (39g3+)
The AoSHQ Quote of the Year.
I second the nomination.
Posted by: Pete Seria at December 15, 2016 03:11 PM (lJW6d)
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Just stopping by to say, it was not a Binary Choice ©
I supported Gary Johnson because I wanted to see the paradigm change. I'm not disputing that the most vocal people who were #NeverTrump may have been self-serving hacks who wanted to keep earning that sweet, sweet establishment dough. And I'm not disputing that we did not have a 99% chance of a binary outcome. But there are plenty of choices, and voting on principle or not voting at all is always a CHOICE.
I'm not all that thrilled that a crude New York liberal like Donald Trump is our President. But I am absolutely Thrilled that Hillary Clinton's career is over. So props to you guys who backed Trump and made sure that happened.
So you guys have your fun. Try not to let too much perversion of Conservative ideals creep in while you celebrate the yuuuge deals that Trump will be making. And be nice to your local Libertarians. Yes, they're crazy. But if we want the paradigm to shift then we need the SJWs to completely melt down and the ascendant class of urban elitist prigs to embrace the idea that practically no government at all is a better way to operate a society than trying to buy off the system.
Then our Binary Choice © will be between two philosophies that both distrust government, but who differ on Nationalistic identity versus Open-border-free-for-all operations. I would be thrilled to have this be the 2-sided debate, while Socialists and Pajama Boys get left out in the cold for a very long time.
I supported Gary Johnson because I wanted to see the paradigm change. I'm not disputing that the most vocal people who were #NeverTrump may have been self-serving hacks who wanted to keep earning that sweet, sweet establishment dough. And I'm not disputing that we did not have a 99% chance of a binary outcome. But there are plenty of choices, and voting on principle or not voting at all is always a CHOICE.
I'm not all that thrilled that a crude New York liberal like Donald Trump is our President. But I am absolutely Thrilled that Hillary Clinton's career is over. So props to you guys who backed Trump and made sure that happened.
So you guys have your fun. Try not to let too much perversion of Conservative ideals creep in while you celebrate the yuuuge deals that Trump will be making. And be nice to your local Libertarians. Yes, they're crazy. But if we want the paradigm to shift then we need the SJWs to completely melt down and the ascendant class of urban elitist prigs to embrace the idea that practically no government at all is a better way to operate a society than trying to buy off the system.
Then our Binary Choice © will be between two philosophies that both distrust government, but who differ on Nationalistic identity versus Open-border-free-for-all operations. I would be thrilled to have this be the 2-sided debate, while Socialists and Pajama Boys get left out in the cold for a very long time.
Posted by: Cranky Contrarian at December 15, 2016 03:15 PM (tW/qq)
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Let's give this to Sykes: he isn't trying to crawl back so he can continue to pretend he's "in the know" like Erick Erickson, et al. Otherwise, fuck Sykes.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 15, 2016 03:42 PM (9+PbA)
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An obvious 'cash in'. If your beliefs are sincere you DON'T cede the entire party to the populists. Which is where this leads.
Granted, populism leads the party now but when you give up even your minority seat at the table you are giving up any influence at all.
Granted, populism leads the party now but when you give up even your minority seat at the table you are giving up any influence at all.
Posted by: East Bay Jay at December 15, 2016 03:55 PM (PvCxa)
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They can accuse Trump and try to make people believe it's possible because NOBODY wants to f...k Chelsea
Posted by: Trump's Stubby Fingers at December 15, 2016 04:16 PM (SJ184)
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@ 280 or Chicken, chicken,chicken.......
Posted by: gycincy at December 15, 2016 04:19 PM (0P4bz)
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So, will Glenn Dreck be going with him (hopa-hopa-hope!)
Posted by: jbspry at December 15, 2016 05:01 PM (YNPwP)
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I was a Never Trumper. I didn't a) trust him and b) like his loudmouth factually challenged New York style.
I'm in a state where I knew Trump would win very handily. So I voted for Johnson. yeah, he sucks, but my vote was more about registering displeasure with the choices offered. I knew my vote, literally, didn't matter.
Since then, well, Trump was right. I'm not tired of winning. Trump is making a lot of the right moves, and pissing off a lot of people I am more than happy to see pissed off. So like Jim Brown, I'm comin' round. I'm up to GWB levels of satisfaction, and I see a lot of potential going forward. Certainly his cabinet appointments have been masterfully handled.
I'm in a state where I knew Trump would win very handily. So I voted for Johnson. yeah, he sucks, but my vote was more about registering displeasure with the choices offered. I knew my vote, literally, didn't matter.
Since then, well, Trump was right. I'm not tired of winning. Trump is making a lot of the right moves, and pissing off a lot of people I am more than happy to see pissed off. So like Jim Brown, I'm comin' round. I'm up to GWB levels of satisfaction, and I see a lot of potential going forward. Certainly his cabinet appointments have been masterfully handled.
Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at December 15, 2016 05:36 PM (UgF8H)
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Nevertrump is alwayshillary. Fuck these scum. All of them. They were never on America's side. May they all rot in hell. Erick Von Erick of Erickson, Ben Shapiro, and the other shitbags who tried to elect a fucking Stalinist because their goddam feelings were hurt. I have more respect for the likes of that communist dick licker Van Jones than I do for these abject scum who claim to be "real conservatives" while actively campaigning for a brain damaged piece of human garbage who thinks the wrong side won the Cold War.
May they rot in hell.
May they rot in hell.
Posted by: ccoffer at December 15, 2016 06:03 PM (sXwjg)
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Funny how the guy who's never been conservative (just anti liberal) is attacking a conservative.
Posted by: oldreader at December 15, 2016 06:24 PM (6VJV0)
Posted by: WannabeAnglican at December 15, 2016 07:09 PM (V71z9)
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Charlie Sykes became unlistenable(?) a looong time ago. We have great choices here to listen to in WI, so So Long, Sykes. Don't let the door hit you.
Posted by: Heidi at December 15, 2016 07:32 PM (tsLLe)
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I, too, live in Wisconsin, and have heard this jabberwocky's lame-ass talk show. Sykes was always the lowest common denominator of faux-conservative talk radio. His show was the broadcast equivalent of Ambien; a bunch of retirees phoning in to agree with Charlie that doggone it, something must be done. These rusty customers would get home from Silver Sneakers class, or having coffee at McDonald's and call in to dither over whatever they just saw in the Journal-Sentinel. Had they read school lunch menus and lost dog ads it would have been less annoying than Charlie. Fridays he would give out the "Deep Tunnel" award for the crappiest news item(get it?) from that week, and would play a clip of Bart Simpson saying "What a load of cappy cap crap" follow ed by a cut of a toilet flushing. Seriously, this is what Sykes considered cutting edge. He was as timely and up to date as last Tuesday.
Charlie Sykes getting out of broadcast media is addition by subtraction. Now he can live his dream of writing bland, shitty, unfunny, books free of insight; that is, he can become the Irma Bombeck of political authorship.
Take a walk, pal. It's about fucking time.
Charlie Sykes getting out of broadcast media is addition by subtraction. Now he can live his dream of writing bland, shitty, unfunny, books free of insight; that is, he can become the Irma Bombeck of political authorship.
Take a walk, pal. It's about fucking time.
Posted by: -Shawn- at December 15, 2016 08:42 PM (ePI9g)
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"In short, I was under the impression that conservatives actually
believed things about...balanced budgets, character and
respect for constitutional rights."
Well, aren't you just a special kind of stupid?
Conservatives obviously don't believe in any of this, hence the Alt-Right ascension.
believed things about...balanced budgets, character and
respect for constitutional rights."
Well, aren't you just a special kind of stupid?
Conservatives obviously don't believe in any of this, hence the Alt-Right ascension.
Posted by: Wraith at December 15, 2016 10:07 PM (Oh+tx)
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Who ever heard of this Sykes guy anyway?
Posted by: Mike at December 16, 2016 09:00 AM (+B1Ea)
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Overboard. I recommend Orwell's essay, "Through a Glass, Rosily".
http://www.teoti.com/books-poetry/140624-through-a-glass-rosily-george-orwell.html
Just as the #NeverTrumpers were absurdly narrow, so are the #PurgeTheNeverTrumpers.
http://www.teoti.com/books-poetry/140624-through-a-glass-rosily-george-orwell.html
Just as the #NeverTrumpers were absurdly narrow, so are the #PurgeTheNeverTrumpers.
Posted by: George LeS at December 16, 2016 09:32 AM (+TcCF)
Posted by: burt at December 16, 2016 10:13 AM (AvTVG)
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"Some are Joiners, some are Leaders."
Said the groveling, servile, opinion adapting to get along, principle dropping coward who chose popularity in the garbage people echo chamber over any kind of reason or honor.
Said the groveling, servile, opinion adapting to get along, principle dropping coward who chose popularity in the garbage people echo chamber over any kind of reason or honor.
Posted by: Stop, just stop at December 16, 2016 12:56 PM (p8YKk)
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RE: "Also, the idea that NeverTrumpers were 90% liberal/progressive is deliberately disingenuous."
Hey Bourbon -- Ace doesn't really believe that. He's just blowing off steam again and is *still* angry with people who were 1) conservatives [I don't know this radio guy and have no idea if he was or was not conservative] and 2) refused to vote for Trump. I'm not certain why that's the case, but it just sort of took hold of him over the past year.
The good news is that Ace and this blog are much much happier places to be these days, now that Trump has won -- I've enjoyed AOS for years now and am really glad that it's rebounded from the past ten months. I didn't vote for Trump and am glad I didn't -- made the right decision and I'm sure everybody else believes they did as well. I don't care what I'm called, either, by total strangers.
It's been fascinating to see Trump's cabinet picks, decisions, etc, and as I said before the election, if Trump were to win, it will certainly be a much more interesting country for a while! So I've wildly enjoyed the tears of the libs -- election night was just awesome for me and it's barely slowed down since then either -- Schadenfraude-delicious. Plus, I and my family will be better off, a little, economically with him in power rather than Hillary.
Missed seeing your comments.
Hey Bourbon -- Ace doesn't really believe that. He's just blowing off steam again and is *still* angry with people who were 1) conservatives [I don't know this radio guy and have no idea if he was or was not conservative] and 2) refused to vote for Trump. I'm not certain why that's the case, but it just sort of took hold of him over the past year.
The good news is that Ace and this blog are much much happier places to be these days, now that Trump has won -- I've enjoyed AOS for years now and am really glad that it's rebounded from the past ten months. I didn't vote for Trump and am glad I didn't -- made the right decision and I'm sure everybody else believes they did as well. I don't care what I'm called, either, by total strangers.
It's been fascinating to see Trump's cabinet picks, decisions, etc, and as I said before the election, if Trump were to win, it will certainly be a much more interesting country for a while! So I've wildly enjoyed the tears of the libs -- election night was just awesome for me and it's barely slowed down since then either -- Schadenfraude-delicious. Plus, I and my family will be better off, a little, economically with him in power rather than Hillary.
Missed seeing your comments.
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