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Dana Perino: I'm Not Going to Lie To You. The Odds of Winning in November are Slim.
Yeah she's right.
No, the polls aren't "rigged." Like Dana, I fell for that bullshit in 2012, and like Dana, I was sickened -- stunned -- to see Obama winning states quickly and states where I thought Romney was ahead (like North Carolina) taking forever to be called. I think he won NC -- very late in the night, by a slim margin. But he lost Virginia, Ohio, and Florida by then. I will say this about the polls, though. Yes, I believe today's polls. But I also -- unlike some -- believe the polls from four weeks ago, when Trump surged to a national lead in all polls, sometimes scoring as high as 48% (which is effectively 50% in a four person race). So what do I make of the polls? Well, the thing is, as hard as this is for a partisan to conceive of, some people are so lightly engaged with politics that they can hear Trump talk about America First and say "oh yeah, I'm voting for him" and then hear Hillary a week later saying "America First, but only after all other countries" and then say "Oh yeah, she makes sense, I'm with her!" No one with an investment in politics thinks this way, so we cannot really comprehend the mindset of people so easily blown hither and then thither by the last thing they heard someone say. But they exist. 10%, 15% -- some people are really this dumb. Or "independent," as these idiots like to call themselves. Independent of any information of well-considered ideological framework they mean. Now, trump is down. And this block of idiots is currently with Hillary. But they're not tightly attached to Hillary, just as they weren't strongly attached to Trump when he was at 48%. An election season is like winter falling on a lake. Each week that passes, more ice forms -- more votes lock in place, now unchangeably fixed. Each week the flow of the water slows a little more. That means that Hillary didn't just move ahead of Trump among voters who are still flowing back and forth. That means that some fraction of them iced into place and now are permanently with Hillary. I don't know how many lives Trump has left. The number may well be zero, and it might already be all over. But I do know this: even if the number of lives he has left is not zero, it's also not a large number like six or seven. It's a small number, like one. Or two. Or, more likely -- one. I feel less and less invested in Trump's candidacy, despite the fact that I think it's the most important election I'll vote in (possibly the last), because he's beginning to feel very much like a loser to me, and I have better things to do with my time than dick around on behalf of a loser. The Republican Party feels very much that way to me too: A collection of losers, losers who cannot win, and who only fight other Republicans because losers know the only people they can beat are other losers. I'm pretty sure this election is my last election as an actual partisan; I don't fight uphill battles for losers, be they Trump or be they the perpetual corporate losers of the GOP. There's a huge social penalty to be paid for being a Republican or conservative: And if this gang of losers is just determined to keep losing, for the alleged pristine purity of losing gamely in a gallant effort, then what I'm going to do is declare myself independent, and claim even to be Democrat leaning, because I will no longer pay the social price of being a social outcast for the sake of aligning myself with a group of people who plainly has no interest in actually winning anything. I'm not in this for the Dungeons and Dragons fantasy politics of it: I'm in it because Hillary terrifies me as a partisan -- Nixon with hotflashes; no thank you -- and I don't want the courts jacked with liberal judges. And I don't want junior officers who are willing to say the word "terrorism" sidelined and shunted out of the military so that the Democrats have only Democrat generals (as the CIA was politicized in the Democrats' favor, and then the FBI). On that score, by the way: the Democrats have now won the popular vote in five of the six elections. What do you think happens when they win six out of seven, then seven out of eight? What do you think the federal bureaucrats start doing when it's pretty obvious the Democrats have a permanent lock on the executive branch? I think at that point we reach a tipping point, and we'll long for the days when the IRS had to only target a few political organizations, and still felt restrained enough by tradition that they had to lie about it. I think it'll be open season. And again, if these stupid loser motherfuckers in this party are determined to lose, and thus expose anyone stupid enough to agitate for them to political persecution by the fully empowered Clinton-Media Complex, then no, I'm not willing to be on that team any more. I'm not willing to risk myself on behalf of losers. I'm done. Done. If some stupid fucks think there's glory in losing with grace, well, you can do that. I'll be going into survival mode, and survival mode means cutting lose losers that expose you to potential harm. This also goes to the undisciplined, lazy, childlike Trump. But there will still be something called the GOP standing after Trump.I just don't think I'll be part of it. I think I'll actually be actively working for the Democrats, because if the Elite Geniuses of the GOP think the way to win is by putting Hillary into office to teach the lower-class Trump voters a lesson, they're every inch as much my enemies as Hillary. And if everyone's equally awful, I might as well align myself with the team that's going to be controlling the persecution powers of government for the next 20 years.
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Dana is cute and all, but I'm more interested in what Jasper thinks.
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2016 02:11 PM (/hxGw)
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It all ends in tears anyway.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 02:11 PM (evdj2)
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I'll go back and read the content.
I'll go back and read the content.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 18, 2016 02:12 PM (5o5ek)
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banned, and go fuck yourself
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2016 02:13 PM (dciA+)
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To paraphrase the drunken, lying, vile, corrupt, evil, mean, harsh waddling walrus, "At this point, what difference does it make?"
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2016 02:13 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2016 02:13 PM (/hxGw)
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Independent of any information of well-considered ideological framework they mean.
Now, trump is down. And this block of idiots is currently with Hillary. But they're not tightly attached to Hillary, just as they weren't strongly attached to Trump when he was at 48%.
An election season is like winter falling on a lake. Each week that passes, more ice forms -- more votes lock in place, now unchangeably fixed. Each week the flow of the water slows a little more.
That means that Hillary didn't just move ahead of Trump among voters who are still flowing back and forth. That means that some fraction of them iced into place and now are permanently with Hillary.
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Can you clarify what you mean by these couple paragraphs, Ace? It seems like you say one thing "independents are stupid and easily swayed" and then in the next sentence say the exact opposite "Hillary's supporters now are permanently Hillary's supporters."
Now, trump is down. And this block of idiots is currently with Hillary. But they're not tightly attached to Hillary, just as they weren't strongly attached to Trump when he was at 48%.
An election season is like winter falling on a lake. Each week that passes, more ice forms -- more votes lock in place, now unchangeably fixed. Each week the flow of the water slows a little more.
That means that Hillary didn't just move ahead of Trump among voters who are still flowing back and forth. That means that some fraction of them iced into place and now are permanently with Hillary.
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Can you clarify what you mean by these couple paragraphs, Ace? It seems like you say one thing "independents are stupid and easily swayed" and then in the next sentence say the exact opposite "Hillary's supporters now are permanently Hillary's supporters."
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 18, 2016 02:14 PM (KUaJL)
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Trump is literally the worst candidate we could have nominated this cycle, or not.
I guess we will know in November.
I guess we will know in November.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 02:14 PM (evdj2)
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It's cute that you think there's actually going to be an election.
Posted by: Jabari at August 18, 2016 02:14 PM (NJ61X)
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Who the hell got banned in the first FOUR comments?!
Anyway, Ace, if Oma Panzersuit prevails, then whither AOSHQ?
Certainly with the UN controlling the internet and the IRS/Gestapo free to persecute at will, what are your plans?
Who the hell got banned in the first FOUR comments?!
Anyway, Ace, if Oma Panzersuit prevails, then whither AOSHQ?
Certainly with the UN controlling the internet and the IRS/Gestapo free to persecute at will, what are your plans?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:15 PM (9P3OG)
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>>>Can you clarify what you mean by these couple paragraphs, Ace? It seems like you say one thing "independents are stupid and easily swayed" and then in the next sentence say the exact opposite "Hillary's supporters now are permanently Hillary's supporters."
i'm saying that every gust of wind from here on out blows less dust. More dust settles into place.
the fraction of true up for grabs people goes from 15% to 13% to 11% to 10% to 8% etc.
Three weeks out from the election and only 6% of the population will be in any kind of play.
i'm saying that every gust of wind from here on out blows less dust. More dust settles into place.
the fraction of true up for grabs people goes from 15% to 13% to 11% to 10% to 8% etc.
Three weeks out from the election and only 6% of the population will be in any kind of play.
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2016 02:15 PM (dciA+)
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It's cute that you think there's actually going to be an election.
Even the Soviet Union had elections. There will be vote, a counting, and an announcement in November.
Even the Soviet Union had elections. There will be vote, a counting, and an announcement in November.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 02:15 PM (evdj2)
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No, the polls aren't "rigged." Like Dana, I fell for that bullshit in
2012, and like Dana, I was sickened -- stunned -- to see Obama winning
states quickly and states where I thought Romney was ahead (like North
Carolina) taking forever to be called.
Ace, the difference is even a professional pollster, Pat Caddell is calling them rigged this time. And the other thing is no matter if the polls are accurate, polls do not measure turnout. W/o a black candidate the black turnout is not going to be the huge item is has been in the last two elections. That makes a huge difference in a State like NC that has a large black population.
2012, and like Dana, I was sickened -- stunned -- to see Obama winning
states quickly and states where I thought Romney was ahead (like North
Carolina) taking forever to be called.
Ace, the difference is even a professional pollster, Pat Caddell is calling them rigged this time. And the other thing is no matter if the polls are accurate, polls do not measure turnout. W/o a black candidate the black turnout is not going to be the huge item is has been in the last two elections. That makes a huge difference in a State like NC that has a large black population.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 18, 2016 02:15 PM (mpXpK)
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O/T soon, but thank you ace for the LA flood thread yesterday. Us folk down here really do appreciate an acknowledgement now and then...
O/T soon, but thank you ace for the LA flood thread yesterday. Us folk down here really do appreciate an acknowledgement now and then...
Posted by: Spun and Murky at August 18, 2016 02:15 PM (4DCSq)
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I have often wondered what it would be like to be a Democrat... I mean instead of every election being trounced I could once back a winner . It's depressing to lose all the time...
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:15 PM (O2RFr)
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You express a lot of what I'm feeling. Now, where do we go from here?
Ace, your conclusion leads to only two options: surrender or rebellion. Surrender can mean accepting the loss of freedom in America and living with it, or actively complying. I don't see you as either of those.
Rebellion can be secession, resistance, or Irish democracy.
Your post begs the question "then what next?" What do you say we do if/when we lose?
Ace, your conclusion leads to only two options: surrender or rebellion. Surrender can mean accepting the loss of freedom in America and living with it, or actively complying. I don't see you as either of those.
Rebellion can be secession, resistance, or Irish democracy.
Your post begs the question "then what next?" What do you say we do if/when we lose?
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 18, 2016 02:16 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or TEXIT) at August 18, 2016 02:16 PM (z/vX9)
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Um, Ace?
I share your disgust with the current incarnation of the Republican Party, but this I don't get:
"I think I'll actually be actively working for the Democrats, because if the Elite Geniuses of the GOP think the way to win is by putting Hillary into office to teach the lower-class Trump voters a lesson, they're every inch as much my enemies as Hillary."
Wouldn't you be doing exactly the same thing they are? Hey, you guys suck so I'm going to support your opponents not because I actually believe in them, but to teach your dumb asses a lesson.
I share your disgust with the current incarnation of the Republican Party, but this I don't get:
"I think I'll actually be actively working for the Democrats, because if the Elite Geniuses of the GOP think the way to win is by putting Hillary into office to teach the lower-class Trump voters a lesson, they're every inch as much my enemies as Hillary."
Wouldn't you be doing exactly the same thing they are? Hey, you guys suck so I'm going to support your opponents not because I actually believe in them, but to teach your dumb asses a lesson.
Posted by: JPS at August 18, 2016 02:16 PM (ueucK)
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>>>
Who the hell got banned in the first FOUR comments?!
thin veneer of civility for announcing "dana perino is a cunt."
There are just some deeply unpleasant and nasty people. They think they contribute to the site with their thuggish venom and juvenile rages. They do the opposite. They will be excluded.
Who the hell got banned in the first FOUR comments?!
thin veneer of civility for announcing "dana perino is a cunt."
There are just some deeply unpleasant and nasty people. They think they contribute to the site with their thuggish venom and juvenile rages. They do the opposite. They will be excluded.
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2016 02:16 PM (dciA+)
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It really isn't fun being a pariah in your own family. I agree with every word you wrote.
Posted by: Janetoo at August 18, 2016 02:16 PM (8Edoy)
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Current polls are highly likely to be wrong on turnout. Many polls are purposefully using turnout assumptions that are nearly certain to be wrong. And they've changed these assumptions so that you can't meaningfully assess momentum from poll to poll.
There's a lot of campaigning left.
There's a lot of campaigning left.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2016 02:17 PM (r1fLd)
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15 I have often wondered what it would be like to be a Democrat... I mean instead of every election being trounced I could once back a winner . It's depressing to lose all the time...
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:15 PM (O2RFr)
Imagine being Angela Davis circa, oh, 1983 or so. We will be underground. Perhaps not just figuratively either.
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:15 PM (O2RFr)
Imagine being Angela Davis circa, oh, 1983 or so. We will be underground. Perhaps not just figuratively either.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:17 PM (9P3OG)
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how much of this is the pollsters adjusting their polls to get the results they want, as they did after the polls around the DNC showed Shrillery tanking?
how much of this is people not wanting to be publicly outed as Trump supporters, to avoid being labeled racists, etc?
how much of Barry's 2012 win was voter fraud?
how much of this is people not wanting to be publicly outed as Trump supporters, to avoid being labeled racists, etc?
how much of Barry's 2012 win was voter fraud?
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 18, 2016 02:17 PM (sUQ21)
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"I feel less and less invested in Trump's candidacy, despite the fact that I think it's the most important election I'll vote in (possibly the last), because he's beginning to feel very much like a loser to me, and I have better things to do with my time than dick around on behalf of a loser.
The Republican Party feels very much that way to me too: A collection of losers, losers who cannot win, and who only fight other Republicans because losers know the only people they can beat are other losers."
I agree with Ace and this highlights one of the ways pro and anti-Trumpers are talking past each other. There are some anti's who are objectively pro-Hillary (Bill Kristol comes to mind, though he wouldn't admit it - go McMuffin!). But most of the anti's are basically saying "Trump was and is a sure loser; we warned you in the primary and you nominated him anyway. So have at it, but don't expect me to support him."
On the pro side, you have the rabid followers, but also lots of people like Ace and Hugh Hewitt who know we are being served a crap sandwich, but believe it's still tastier than the other one being served. I'm in that camp, but wavering.
The Republican Party feels very much that way to me too: A collection of losers, losers who cannot win, and who only fight other Republicans because losers know the only people they can beat are other losers."
I agree with Ace and this highlights one of the ways pro and anti-Trumpers are talking past each other. There are some anti's who are objectively pro-Hillary (Bill Kristol comes to mind, though he wouldn't admit it - go McMuffin!). But most of the anti's are basically saying "Trump was and is a sure loser; we warned you in the primary and you nominated him anyway. So have at it, but don't expect me to support him."
On the pro side, you have the rabid followers, but also lots of people like Ace and Hugh Hewitt who know we are being served a crap sandwich, but believe it's still tastier than the other one being served. I'm in that camp, but wavering.
Posted by: Duke at August 18, 2016 02:17 PM (EQNFN)
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:17 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:18 PM (9P3OG)
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15 I have often wondered what it would be like to be a Democrat... I mean instead of every election being trounced I could once back a winner . It's depressing to lose all the time...
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:15 PM (O2RFr
I would rather be a heroin addict than a democrat.
15 I have often wondered what it would be like to be a Democrat... I mean instead of every election being trounced I could once back a winner . It's depressing to lose all the time...
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:15 PM (O2RFr
I would rather be a heroin addict than a democrat.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2016 02:18 PM (voOPb)
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No one with an investment in politics thinks this way, so we cannot really comprehend the mindset of people so easily blown hither and then thither by the last thing they heard someone say.
It depends on whither they cometh.
OK, I just like hither and thither and needed to work whither into it. And not talking about a horse's hindquarters.
Ace, there was a point when you self-identified as a libertarian. Does that still work for you?
I live in a relentlessly blue state so my vote doesn't count but I'm still mad at everyone who made Trump the GOP nominee.
He is all of the horrible things that people say about him and the one downside to him losing is that Hillary is going to get the whole next batch of Supreme Court nominees and that's an actual bad thing.
It depends on whither they cometh.
OK, I just like hither and thither and needed to work whither into it. And not talking about a horse's hindquarters.
Ace, there was a point when you self-identified as a libertarian. Does that still work for you?
I live in a relentlessly blue state so my vote doesn't count but I'm still mad at everyone who made Trump the GOP nominee.
He is all of the horrible things that people say about him and the one downside to him losing is that Hillary is going to get the whole next batch of Supreme Court nominees and that's an actual bad thing.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 02:18 PM (mgbwf)
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I'll go back and read the content.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 18, 2016 02:12 PM (5o5ek)
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I wish I hadn't.
I'll go back and read the content.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 18, 2016 02:12 PM (5o5ek)
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I wish I hadn't.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 18, 2016 02:18 PM (5o5ek)
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It was over the minute Trump decided to blow his post convention week in a dick-measuring contest with the Khans. It's bceoming extremely hard to believe that this guy really wants to win the presidency, but if he does, then it's clear he has no idea what campaigning for it entails. And he doesn't have a campaign infrastructure.
This is like sky diving without a parachute. There are people who have survived accidents like that, so it's POSSIBLE, but it's going to count on something very incredible happening.
More likely, they nominated a guy who had no intention of really being a president. Out of that whole field, that's who they nominated. And he will get fucking destroyed.
This is like sky diving without a parachute. There are people who have survived accidents like that, so it's POSSIBLE, but it's going to count on something very incredible happening.
More likely, they nominated a guy who had no intention of really being a president. Out of that whole field, that's who they nominated. And he will get fucking destroyed.
Posted by: Dave at August 18, 2016 02:18 PM (2Kysq)
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Trump actually might still be able to turn this thing around, but he has to get his stream-of-consciousness logorrhea under control, to speak in a more disciplined and organized way.
And it's not clear he even can consciously control it. I wonder seriously at times whether he has a mild subclinical case of Tourette's.
Add to that his propensity to go haring off after bait, like the Khan family, instead of staying focused on the enemy nominee, and it's a recipe for trouble.
The sad thing is, as I lugubriously opined early in the primaries, _there were no good candidates_ on the GOP bench this year. None of the failed contenders would be doing better than the Scalpweasel is at this point.
And it's not clear he even can consciously control it. I wonder seriously at times whether he has a mild subclinical case of Tourette's.
Add to that his propensity to go haring off after bait, like the Khan family, instead of staying focused on the enemy nominee, and it's a recipe for trouble.
The sad thing is, as I lugubriously opined early in the primaries, _there were no good candidates_ on the GOP bench this year. None of the failed contenders would be doing better than the Scalpweasel is at this point.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 18, 2016 02:19 PM (noWW6)
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>>>
Wouldn't you be doing exactly the same thing they are? Hey, you guys suck so I'm going to support your opponents not because I actually believe in them, but to teach your dumb asses a lesson.
no, i'd be in simple survival mode, not trying to "teach lessons."
Unlike many conservatives, I'm finding out, I ACTUALLY BELIEVE the things I say when I say things like "Hillary is corrupt and the Democrats are weaponizing government."
Many conservative commentators said this before, but plainly were lying to gin up clicks to their websites, because now their tunes have changed- - HIllary isn't so bad, she's a traditional sort of candidate, etc.
Well, I believed the things I was saying.
So I'm afraid of her. And if the opposition party is just a collection of losers who can't do anything except put targets on the heads of its partisans, then I decline to be a part of that self-declared population of political targets any longer.
Wouldn't you be doing exactly the same thing they are? Hey, you guys suck so I'm going to support your opponents not because I actually believe in them, but to teach your dumb asses a lesson.
no, i'd be in simple survival mode, not trying to "teach lessons."
Unlike many conservatives, I'm finding out, I ACTUALLY BELIEVE the things I say when I say things like "Hillary is corrupt and the Democrats are weaponizing government."
Many conservative commentators said this before, but plainly were lying to gin up clicks to their websites, because now their tunes have changed- - HIllary isn't so bad, she's a traditional sort of candidate, etc.
Well, I believed the things I was saying.
So I'm afraid of her. And if the opposition party is just a collection of losers who can't do anything except put targets on the heads of its partisans, then I decline to be a part of that self-declared population of political targets any longer.
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2016 02:19 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 18, 2016 02:19 PM (KUaJL)
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@12: Even the Soviet Union had elections. There will be vote, a counting, and an announcement in November.
Eh, I'm still giving it 50% at least that between Hillary's health issues (no possible replacement if she's forced to drop out via stroke or worse), potential RoP shenanigans, and TFG being who he is, something is going to happen to where it's "delayed" for "the national good". *shrug*
Eh, I'm still giving it 50% at least that between Hillary's health issues (no possible replacement if she's forced to drop out via stroke or worse), potential RoP shenanigans, and TFG being who he is, something is going to happen to where it's "delayed" for "the national good". *shrug*
Posted by: Jabari at August 18, 2016 02:19 PM (NJ61X)
Posted by: Billy Occam at August 18, 2016 02:19 PM (/542q)
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An election season is like winter falling on a lake. Each week that passes, more ice forms -- more votes lock in place, now unchangeably fixed. Each week the flow of the water slows a little more.
[Sniff] It's fuckin' poetry, man [Sniiiiffffff]
[Sniff] It's fuckin' poetry, man [Sniiiiffffff]
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 18, 2016 02:19 PM (RD7QR)
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I just don't think I'll be part of it. I think I'll actually be actively working for the Democrats, because if the Elite Geniuses of the GOP think the way to win is by putting Hillary into office to teach the lower-class Trump voters a lesson, they're every inch as much my enemies as Hillary.
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If Hillary wins, ace is going to go all Peter Thiel on the GOP.
I approve.
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If Hillary wins, ace is going to go all Peter Thiel on the GOP.
I approve.
Posted by: @votermom at August 18, 2016 02:20 PM (7lVbc)
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Trump is literally the worst candidate we could have nominated this cycle, or not.
I guess we will know in November.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 02:14 PM (evdj2)
No the worst possible candidates were McShitty and Romstuck. Two RNCe RINOs who couldn't inspire a frog to get into the mud.
Trump is literally the worst candidate we could have nominated this cycle, or not.
I guess we will know in November.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 02:14 PM (evdj2)
No the worst possible candidates were McShitty and Romstuck. Two RNCe RINOs who couldn't inspire a frog to get into the mud.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 18, 2016 02:20 PM (mpXpK)
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24 On the pro side, you have the rabid followers, but also lots of people like Ace and Hugh Hewitt who know we are being served a crap sandwich, but believe it's still tastier than the other one being served. I'm in that camp, but wavering.
Posted by: Duke at August 18, 2016 02:17 PM (EQNFN)
When Trump speechifies, as he did in Milwaukee, NYC and Youngstown, he's brilliant. But then somehow he or his surrogates shoot themselves in the foot the next day so the message is lost. Of course, the MFM does not help the situation nor the idiots in formerly our own party.
Prediction. Trump by the very narrowest of margins.
Posted by: Duke at August 18, 2016 02:17 PM (EQNFN)
When Trump speechifies, as he did in Milwaukee, NYC and Youngstown, he's brilliant. But then somehow he or his surrogates shoot themselves in the foot the next day so the message is lost. Of course, the MFM does not help the situation nor the idiots in formerly our own party.
Prediction. Trump by the very narrowest of margins.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:20 PM (9P3OG)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 02:20 PM (mgbwf)
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something is going to happen to where it's "delayed" for "the national good".
That's when the killing starts.
That's when the killing starts.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 02:20 PM (evdj2)
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The GOP refuses to fight democrats because they are terrified of the Media. They want the Media to love them (and don't understand that they never will), and attacking Democrats is sure to get you a stern glare or two from the Media.
The GOP will never fight anything except people who are pro-America. It's the only safe thing for them to do.
The GOP will never fight anything except people who are pro-America. It's the only safe thing for them to do.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 18, 2016 02:20 PM (AroJD)
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>>>Ace, there was a point when you self-identified as a libertarian. Does that still work for you?
oh god no.. And I never really identified as a libertarian. I said I had some libertarian-ish leanings but have always considered them fools.
I've also said I've said sometimes I'm libertarian just to avoid the stigma of calling myself a conservative.
but I don't think I'm a conserevative. Not anymore. This crew has shown me what conservatism is, and whatever they are, I'm not that.
oh god no.. And I never really identified as a libertarian. I said I had some libertarian-ish leanings but have always considered them fools.
I've also said I've said sometimes I'm libertarian just to avoid the stigma of calling myself a conservative.
but I don't think I'm a conserevative. Not anymore. This crew has shown me what conservatism is, and whatever they are, I'm not that.
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2016 02:20 PM (dciA+)
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There are some anti's who are objectively pro-Hillary (Bill Kristol comes to mind, though he wouldn't admit it - go McMuffin!). But most of the anti's are basically saying "Trump was and is a sure loser; we warned you in the primary and you nominated him anyway. So have at it, but don't expect me to support him."
Then why the fuck didn't YOU PEOPLE get a better turn out for your guy and beat Trump??
Then why the fuck didn't YOU PEOPLE get a better turn out for your guy and beat Trump??
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 02:21 PM (AmeQT)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 02:21 PM (evdj2)
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If you believe the polls, then you should believe the polls showing the race tightening again.
I don't want to fall for the polls are rigged shit either, but there seems to be several factors not being considered: one is the weighting sample with a typical +D7 sample may not longer be accurate, two is that turnout may be very different from what we saw in 2012, and three instead of merely suspecting polls are rigged, we saw Reuters actually rigging theirs in full view of the public.
I personally think turnout will decide the election, it's the unpredictive factor that made everyone, almost literally everyone call the Brexit vote wrong.
I don't want to fall for the polls are rigged shit either, but there seems to be several factors not being considered: one is the weighting sample with a typical +D7 sample may not longer be accurate, two is that turnout may be very different from what we saw in 2012, and three instead of merely suspecting polls are rigged, we saw Reuters actually rigging theirs in full view of the public.
I personally think turnout will decide the election, it's the unpredictive factor that made everyone, almost literally everyone call the Brexit vote wrong.
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 18, 2016 02:21 PM (OOXlo)
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TRVTH
Posted by: Kilroynius at August 18, 2016 02:22 PM (Bllk5)
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I will never be a Democrat. I will practice a form of taqqiya and praise whoever the Fuhrer happens to be. But secretly I will be reciting the E Pleb Neesta, waiting for the right time.
I will never be a Democrat. I will practice a form of taqqiya and praise whoever the Fuhrer happens to be. But secretly I will be reciting the E Pleb Neesta, waiting for the right time.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:22 PM (9P3OG)
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I'm in California so My vote never counts anyway if that's a consolation for always picking the loser...
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:22 PM (O2RFr)
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Ace: we cannot really comprehend the mindset of people so easily blown hither and then thither by the last thing they heard someone say.
Yeah, so why are you fixating on polls in the middle of August?
The media/uniparty are united against Trump and the media/uniparty are the ones putting out the polls. August polls are basically a free bite at the apple for the narrative manipulators, since their credibility is not yet on the line as for polls closer to the election.
And the debates, if Hillary actually participates, will be yuge ratings. The result of the debates will have a lot to do with this election, and who knows how they will come out.
Yeah, so why are you fixating on polls in the middle of August?
The media/uniparty are united against Trump and the media/uniparty are the ones putting out the polls. August polls are basically a free bite at the apple for the narrative manipulators, since their credibility is not yet on the line as for polls closer to the election.
And the debates, if Hillary actually participates, will be yuge ratings. The result of the debates will have a lot to do with this election, and who knows how they will come out.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 18, 2016 02:22 PM (PL2OL)
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Damn.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 02:22 PM (i/pfX)
52
I'm glad I'm old.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2016 02:22 PM (Fmupd)
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Posted by: ace at August 18, 2016 02:16 PM (dciA+)
I think this is a smart move, and you've warned people before.
This is part of what's wrong with us today. Instead of arguing a point, making a point and backing it up with information that can be verified, or acknowledging that our position is an opinion, we jump immediately to personal attacks, petty insults, or your-mom jokes. Even our arguments have become infantile.
I put my Facebook friends on notice that I will not debate in this fashion any more. An ad hominem, or even, "you're position is stupid," results in an unfriending and blocked.
I will remain civil with you stupid fuckers, even if it kills me.
I think this is a smart move, and you've warned people before.
This is part of what's wrong with us today. Instead of arguing a point, making a point and backing it up with information that can be verified, or acknowledging that our position is an opinion, we jump immediately to personal attacks, petty insults, or your-mom jokes. Even our arguments have become infantile.
I put my Facebook friends on notice that I will not debate in this fashion any more. An ad hominem, or even, "you're position is stupid," results in an unfriending and blocked.
I will remain civil with you stupid fuckers, even if it kills me.
Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (JKZQv)
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Ace:
"Yes, I believe today's polls."
What polls are you referring to?
The new Rasmussen poll from today that shows the race statistically tied, within the margin of error?:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch
Hillary 41%
Trump 39%
Or the LA Times poll from today showing the race exactly tied?
Hillary 42%
Trump 42%
Or are you referring to other polls where he's further behind?
You essay would make more sense if we knew whether you were referring to the good-for-Trump polls or the bad-for-Trump polls.
"Yes, I believe today's polls."
What polls are you referring to?
The new Rasmussen poll from today that shows the race statistically tied, within the margin of error?:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch
Hillary 41%
Trump 39%
Or the LA Times poll from today showing the race exactly tied?
Hillary 42%
Trump 42%
Or are you referring to other polls where he's further behind?
You essay would make more sense if we knew whether you were referring to the good-for-Trump polls or the bad-for-Trump polls.
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Cloud William at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (evdj2)
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1) If you don't vote, STFU with who ever wins.
2) I'm going to vote
3) Even Dr. Jill is better than Hillary
She's EVIL.
Now off to work. I think, I guess.
2) I'm going to vote
3) Even Dr. Jill is better than Hillary
She's EVIL.
Now off to work. I think, I guess.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (voOPb)
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25
thin veneer of civility
I thought that one was already banned...
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:17 PM (O2RFr)
He was. In tb3k so he would post and then it would be wiped. Here's hoping ace finally did a hard ban on him so he can't even post anymore. Should have happened over a year ago.
thin veneer of civility
I thought that one was already banned...
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:17 PM (O2RFr)
He was. In tb3k so he would post and then it would be wiped. Here's hoping ace finally did a hard ban on him so he can't even post anymore. Should have happened over a year ago.
Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (z/Ubi)
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ace has caught up to where I was back in May. The election is already over.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (O7MnT)
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>>>I will never be a Democrat. I will practice a form of taqqiya and praise whoever the Fuhrer happens to be.
that's a good way to say it: I'll be practicing taqqiya.
that's a good way to say it: I'll be practicing taqqiya.
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (dciA+)
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30:"It was over the minute Trump decided to blow his post convention week in a dick-measuring contest with the Khans."
I disagree. It was over in 1912, when the 17th amendment was ratified.
It was further cemented when the New Deal was imposed.
And the nail in the coffin came with LBJ's permanent serfdom.
Everything else has just been the ever lessening death throws of a once great nation and society.
There is no voting ourselves out of this, unless you allow for the option of states to vote for secession.
Leviathan will not lessen itself willingly.
I disagree. It was over in 1912, when the 17th amendment was ratified.
It was further cemented when the New Deal was imposed.
And the nail in the coffin came with LBJ's permanent serfdom.
Everything else has just been the ever lessening death throws of a once great nation and society.
There is no voting ourselves out of this, unless you allow for the option of states to vote for secession.
Leviathan will not lessen itself willingly.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or TEXIT) at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (z/vX9)
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Ace, do you have reasons of voting FOR Trump? You never really seem to explain them except for as a vote against Hillary, which is a valid argument. But is there anything that you have to look forward to in a Trump presidency?
Posted by: GrapeDrink at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (Wt+M2)
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Imastillgonnago with an impression from the last three days on vacation.
Beach communities.
Tee-Shirt shops.
I have looked in dozens of them specifically to see what is selling.
You can't find a friggin Pro-Hillary shirt for sale for love or money.
Trump shirts
NRA shirts
Cop Lives Matter shirts
Next time you're getting robbed, call a crack head for help shirts
Reagan quote shirts
Joh Wayne quote shirts.
They're everywhere.
In every shop.
We're not talking a 50/50 split between liberal and conservative items for sale.
There is NOTHING supporting liberal causes for sale.
(Except for one Hillary shirt in one store)
Beach communities.
Tee-Shirt shops.
I have looked in dozens of them specifically to see what is selling.
You can't find a friggin Pro-Hillary shirt for sale for love or money.
Trump shirts
NRA shirts
Cop Lives Matter shirts
Next time you're getting robbed, call a crack head for help shirts
Reagan quote shirts
Joh Wayne quote shirts.
They're everywhere.
In every shop.
We're not talking a 50/50 split between liberal and conservative items for sale.
There is NOTHING supporting liberal causes for sale.
(Except for one Hillary shirt in one store)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (6t8+a)
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (O2RFr)
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Well then we're screwed. Just visualize 8 years of Hillary.
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (gYfnZ)
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45 Neither ran this cycle.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 02:21 PM (evdj2)
But their clones did, Jebbie The Hutt and RINO Rubio.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 02:21 PM (evdj2)
But their clones did, Jebbie The Hutt and RINO Rubio.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (mpXpK)
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52 I'm glad I'm old.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2016 02:22 PM (Fmupd)
I'm too old to rock and roll and too young to die. Old enough to know better but young enough not to give a shit either.
Keep hope alive.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2016 02:22 PM (Fmupd)
I'm too old to rock and roll and too young to die. Old enough to know better but young enough not to give a shit either.
Keep hope alive.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (9P3OG)
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The Media has been trumpeting that Trump has already lost.... for a couple of weeks now.
EVERY story on MSN is anti Trump.
EVERY story on CNN is anti Trump.
And now even Fox has gone Anti Trump... every time they have Carl Cameron on, its a negative story about Trump's horrible campaign and how its in disarray...
Hillary is barely covered... or if covered ALWAYS has surrogates on to defend her... while for Trump we normally see Repubs who don't really like him trying to half heartedly defend him.
We are seeing the results of a Left media blitz... and the cover given to them by REPUBLICANS who continue to actively campaign against Trump.
EVERY story on MSN is anti Trump.
EVERY story on CNN is anti Trump.
And now even Fox has gone Anti Trump... every time they have Carl Cameron on, its a negative story about Trump's horrible campaign and how its in disarray...
Hillary is barely covered... or if covered ALWAYS has surrogates on to defend her... while for Trump we normally see Repubs who don't really like him trying to half heartedly defend him.
We are seeing the results of a Left media blitz... and the cover given to them by REPUBLICANS who continue to actively campaign against Trump.
Posted by: Don Q.... at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (qf6WZ)
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Or are you referring to other polls where he's further behind?
You essay would make more sense if we knew whether you were referring to the good-for-Trump polls or the bad-for-Trump polls.
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (jBuUi
One last thing, earlier today I saw where Hillary already has 300 electoral votes locked up, FWIW.
Or are you referring to other polls where he's further behind?
You essay would make more sense if we knew whether you were referring to the good-for-Trump polls or the bad-for-Trump polls.
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (jBuUi
One last thing, earlier today I saw where Hillary already has 300 electoral votes locked up, FWIW.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (voOPb)
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Done got blowed out.....
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (i/pfX)
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Zombie to the barrel.
Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (z/Ubi)
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I have as much faith that Trump will be successful in the Debates as I had in Ace quitting Internet porn.
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (/hxGw)
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I will remain civil with you stupid fuckers, even if it kills me.
So, "you may blow me if that is you're inclination" but not "but first..."?
So, "you may blow me if that is you're inclination" but not "but first..."?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (mgbwf)
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oh, sigh, so depressing isn't it, I really think there is a disconnect, I think there are some very enthusiastic people showing up for Trump, but I also think these are the same people who don't usually vote, I hope, pray even, that they will this time, but I'm used to losing so I'm not optimistic. I really believe things were lost 8 years ago.
Posted by: spypeach at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (nyYhO)
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Shit. "Your".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (mgbwf)
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I wouldn't go to the Democrats myself, but I'm totally done with the GOP losers too. You can only get lied to so many times by people who use you for power and then give you jack in return before you just leave.
The GOP is the alcoholic husband in an abusive relationship who thinks if he says "I love you" with enough tears it'll make up for all the time they've been sleeping with Harry Reid behind your back.
The GOP is the alcoholic husband in an abusive relationship who thinks if he says "I love you" with enough tears it'll make up for all the time they've been sleeping with Harry Reid behind your back.
Posted by: some1 at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (S5LAZ)
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How is the 1-2% of the population that is NEVERTRUMP Republicans responsible for the fact moron Trump has run a joke of campaign, with no message, no money, no ability to stay on point, no ground game, nothing?
He is down by margins and in states that LOSERS like romney and mccain could never even imagine being down by. And yet, here we are, you still blaming this invisible conspiracy (despite the fact Priebus et al. are full of Trumpsters) for the fact that Trump can't operate a campaign correctly and instead has given up to look to start Trump TV or Trump Radio to sell vigra products.
He is down by margins and in states that LOSERS like romney and mccain could never even imagine being down by. And yet, here we are, you still blaming this invisible conspiracy (despite the fact Priebus et al. are full of Trumpsters) for the fact that Trump can't operate a campaign correctly and instead has given up to look to start Trump TV or Trump Radio to sell vigra products.
Posted by: Hotdog at August 18, 2016 02:25 PM (OHyGW)
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64 Well then we're screwed. Just visualize 8 years of Hillary.
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (gYfnZ)
And the end of it all soon afterwards. If that be the case, then all bets are off.
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (gYfnZ)
And the end of it all soon afterwards. If that be the case, then all bets are off.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:25 PM (9P3OG)
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Demographics and political preference were on the Democrats side to begin with. Before Trump I figured 2012 spelled the end of the GOP as a national party anyway.
With Trump, there is a chance. It's simply no good to affix blame on him for any loss because - like it or not - the GOP is dead at the presidential level for the remainder of your natural life if everything is allowed to follow it's present course.
With Trump, there is a chance. It's simply no good to affix blame on him for any loss because - like it or not - the GOP is dead at the presidential level for the remainder of your natural life if everything is allowed to follow it's present course.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at August 18, 2016 02:25 PM (THupw)
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jwest, the 25 Skid-O-Cans you ordered will arrive at 5:00 p.m., and you need to be available to sign for them.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 18, 2016 02:25 PM (Bllk5)
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One word for all those putting stock in polls: BREXIT.
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at August 18, 2016 02:25 PM (KFVqG)
81
Idunno, the GOP is f-in hopeless, maybe we could burrow in to the controlling party (Democrats) and take it over from within?
Sort of a "long march through the institution"? (hey, that's catchy!)
Sort of a "long march through the institution"? (hey, that's catchy!)
Posted by: West at August 18, 2016 02:25 PM (1Rgee)
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Well, my take on Trump's (latest) strategy is this -- How can he do any worse than McShame and Romney? Losing is losing, any way you cut it.
He beat 16 primary opponents while spending $50 million of his own money plus a metric shitton of free press.
And I would like to remind ace that the Internets are forever; the Dems will NEVER forget your vituperous tongue.
He beat 16 primary opponents while spending $50 million of his own money plus a metric shitton of free press.
And I would like to remind ace that the Internets are forever; the Dems will NEVER forget your vituperous tongue.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2016 02:25 PM (gyKtp)
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I was blown by Hither and Thither once. Or was it Heather and Theresa? I dunno...my brain stem is swollen and gangrenous.
Posted by: Mr. Clinton-Rodham at August 18, 2016 02:26 PM (1H9ox)
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The freakout for a frelling AUGUST poll doesn't make sense to me.
And, frankly, I don't think Trump's victory is going to come from a big GOP turnout. I think he's going to flip Democrats. I could be wrong and there's a lot of GOP enemies of Trump who are willing to elect Clinton if it preserves their power or their image of what a 'Republican' is.
But I'm also almost with Ace. I'm sick of the GOP. I will proudly call myself a Conservative. That's who I am. But Republican? Frell that. I'll vote for a pro-gun Democrat if I have to over some of the duplicitous Republican Quislings wearing flag pins.
And, frankly, I don't think Trump's victory is going to come from a big GOP turnout. I think he's going to flip Democrats. I could be wrong and there's a lot of GOP enemies of Trump who are willing to elect Clinton if it preserves their power or their image of what a 'Republican' is.
But I'm also almost with Ace. I'm sick of the GOP. I will proudly call myself a Conservative. That's who I am. But Republican? Frell that. I'll vote for a pro-gun Democrat if I have to over some of the duplicitous Republican Quislings wearing flag pins.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 18, 2016 02:26 PM (0wojp)
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The Media has been trumpeting that Trump has already lost.... for a couple of weeks now.
EVERY story on MSN is anti Trump.
EVERY story on CNN is anti Trump.
And now even Fox has gone Anti Trump... every time they have Carl Cameron on, its a negative story about Trump's horrible campaign and how its in disarray...
Hillary is barely covered... or if covered ALWAYS has surrogates on to defend her... while for Trump we normally see Repubs who don't really like him trying to half heartedly defend him.
We are seeing the results of a Left media blitz... and the cover given to them by REPUBLICANS who continue to actively campaign against Trump.
Posted by: Don Q...
And it's STILL a statistical TIE.
EVERY story on MSN is anti Trump.
EVERY story on CNN is anti Trump.
And now even Fox has gone Anti Trump... every time they have Carl Cameron on, its a negative story about Trump's horrible campaign and how its in disarray...
Hillary is barely covered... or if covered ALWAYS has surrogates on to defend her... while for Trump we normally see Repubs who don't really like him trying to half heartedly defend him.
We are seeing the results of a Left media blitz... and the cover given to them by REPUBLICANS who continue to actively campaign against Trump.
Posted by: Don Q...
And it's STILL a statistical TIE.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 02:26 PM (AmeQT)
86
I figured it was pretty much over when the FBI let Hillary skate....
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:26 PM (O2RFr)
87
I feel less and less invested in Trump's candidacy, despite the fact that I think it's the most important election I'll vote in (possibly the last), because he's beginning to feel very much like a loser to me
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One of the media's goals is to convince everyone that Trump is losing, he's a loser, there's no point, give up, why follow a loser? That's why I stopped reading the news and I can tell you in my current ignorant state that I know nothing about either candidate, especially Hillary because she never says anything or goes anywhere or talks to anyone anyway, so there's not even anything osmosing out into the ignorosphere about her.
But the debates could change a lot.
posting from the lofovo zone
I feel less and less invested in Trump's candidacy, despite the fact that I think it's the most important election I'll vote in (possibly the last), because he's beginning to feel very much like a loser to me
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One of the media's goals is to convince everyone that Trump is losing, he's a loser, there's no point, give up, why follow a loser? That's why I stopped reading the news and I can tell you in my current ignorant state that I know nothing about either candidate, especially Hillary because she never says anything or goes anywhere or talks to anyone anyway, so there's not even anything osmosing out into the ignorosphere about her.
But the debates could change a lot.
posting from the lofovo zone
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 18, 2016 02:26 PM (5o5ek)
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Perino is #NeverTrump, right? And ever since losing the primary, the #NeverTrump strategy is to constantly put out the message that all is lost. They never say, things are bad so this is what we need to do to win. Just things are bad and there is no hope.
More of the same.
More of the same.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 18, 2016 02:26 PM (R+30W)
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'And if everyone's equally awful, I might as well align myself with the team that's going to be controlling the persecution powers of government for the next 20 years.'
Good plan, maybe they'll kill you last.
Good plan, maybe they'll kill you last.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 18, 2016 02:26 PM (kfcYC)
90
Accelerated decrepitude.
A common problem among replicants and republics.
A common problem among replicants and republics.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 18, 2016 02:26 PM (SeD0w)
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"One word for all those putting stock in polls: BREXIT."
That was noteworthy. A good number of people were apparently not being honest with the pollsters.
That was noteworthy. A good number of people were apparently not being honest with the pollsters.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 02:26 PM (i/pfX)
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"There is NOTHING supporting liberal causes for sale."
Except the candidates. Bernie was bought for the price of a beach house and an Audi. Hillary? She's not giving those talks for free.
They don't always stay bought, but then, some of them also offer hourly rates.
Except the candidates. Bernie was bought for the price of a beach house and an Audi. Hillary? She's not giving those talks for free.
They don't always stay bought, but then, some of them also offer hourly rates.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 18, 2016 02:27 PM (iIzG7)
93
because I will no longer pay the social price of being a social outcast for the sake of aligning myself with a group of people who plainly has no interest in actually winning anything.
Looks like The Mean Girls have succeeded in breaking Ace's spirit.
Looks like The Mean Girls have succeeded in breaking Ace's spirit.
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 02:27 PM (jBuUi)
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It's confusing that so many people seem to be deluded into thinking that Trump has much of a chance. They still want to disbelieve the polls. It's like they don't remember 2012. Some people refuse to learn I guess.
The final fragmentation of the Republican Party after this election seems all but assured. Whatever is left will be a permanent minority party. The next four years will be some of the grimmest in modern American history.
The final fragmentation of the Republican Party after this election seems all but assured. Whatever is left will be a permanent minority party. The next four years will be some of the grimmest in modern American history.
Posted by: Nonapod at August 18, 2016 02:27 PM (CLP9I)
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Ace, 32: Fair enough. I disagree, but see what you mean.
Janet, #20: "It really isn't fun being a pariah in your own family."
Sometimes I'm tempted to just pretend I've converted, and do my pitch-perfect liberal imitation from here on out. Except I refuse to believe it's reached the point where I have to.
Janet, #20: "It really isn't fun being a pariah in your own family."
Sometimes I'm tempted to just pretend I've converted, and do my pitch-perfect liberal imitation from here on out. Except I refuse to believe it's reached the point where I have to.
Posted by: JPS at August 18, 2016 02:27 PM (ueucK)
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BTW, can we wait until after the election is over before we become full blown Eeyores?
Posted by: #NeverHillary at August 18, 2016 02:27 PM (OOXlo)
97
Since both parties seem to be inviting a major terror attack on our soil, it doesn't make much difference.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 18, 2016 02:27 PM (7ZVPa)
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I have often wondered what it would be like to be a Democrat...
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I've been Democrat and Republican, and it's the same. You hold your nose and vote.
I have often wondered what it would be like to be a Democrat...
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I've been Democrat and Republican, and it's the same. You hold your nose and vote.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 18, 2016 02:27 PM (5o5ek)
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Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 02:26 PM (i/pfX)
"Brexit" was in the margin of error. Trump is down between 5 and 10 points aggregated.
"Brexit" was in the margin of error. Trump is down between 5 and 10 points aggregated.
Posted by: Hotdog at August 18, 2016 02:27 PM (OHyGW)
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Side note: it will not be lost on the perceptive observer how the MSM suddenly pulled way back on coverage of the most recent rounds of black urban rioting, in Milwaukee.
The flying monkeys have received their latest orders from the Witch.
Hillary's earliest forays into leftist politics came with the campus New Left in the late sixties. She must recall perfectly well that the atmosphere of lawlessness and street violence in the long hot summer of 1968 produced what was, for the New Left, what had been thought to be an utterly impossible outcome: President Richard Nixon.
It's a difficult balancing act for her. She needs to keep blacks energized enough to create strong November turnout, but she can't allow the optics to become scary enough to shift nervous whites to Trump.
The flying monkeys have received their latest orders from the Witch.
Hillary's earliest forays into leftist politics came with the campus New Left in the late sixties. She must recall perfectly well that the atmosphere of lawlessness and street violence in the long hot summer of 1968 produced what was, for the New Left, what had been thought to be an utterly impossible outcome: President Richard Nixon.
It's a difficult balancing act for her. She needs to keep blacks energized enough to create strong November turnout, but she can't allow the optics to become scary enough to shift nervous whites to Trump.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 18, 2016 02:27 PM (noWW6)
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81 Idunno, the GOP is f-in hopeless, maybe we could burrow in to the controlling party (Democrats) and take it over from within?
Sort of a "long march through the institution"? (hey, that's catchy!)
Posted by: West at August 18, 2016 02:25 PM (1Rgee)
I don't have 100 years. Plus, once they've wrested control of everything we won't have a free society to take advantage of and subvert - like they did.
They captured the country. Plain and simple as that.
Sort of a "long march through the institution"? (hey, that's catchy!)
Posted by: West at August 18, 2016 02:25 PM (1Rgee)
I don't have 100 years. Plus, once they've wrested control of everything we won't have a free society to take advantage of and subvert - like they did.
They captured the country. Plain and simple as that.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:28 PM (9P3OG)
Posted by: rd at August 18, 2016 02:28 PM (7hRS/)
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Dana Perino is a Bush schill. She thinks el heb was a great candidate and that the Bush classless self promoting Bush family is worth constantly promoting.
I'm sure if el heb was the candidate, Perino would be singing a different tune about polls and the election. After all it benefits the globalist Bush family for Trump to lose.
I'm sure if el heb was the candidate, Perino would be singing a different tune about polls and the election. After all it benefits the globalist Bush family for Trump to lose.
Posted by: I hate Perino at August 18, 2016 02:28 PM (XMr0Y)
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I think, with Obama handing over the internet, trump has to go nuclear on this issue and grab the libertarian folks by the ears and ask them, ' Is this what you want, punks?'
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 18, 2016 02:28 PM (ZnIt3)
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 02:28 PM (jBuUi)
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"I figured it was pretty much over when the FBI let Hillary skate...."
In a sense, she was allowed to skate.
In another sense, it was explained quite clearly where she had not only lied, but actually broke the law.
And then, after explaining all that......
the FBI let her skate.
In a sense, she was allowed to skate.
In another sense, it was explained quite clearly where she had not only lied, but actually broke the law.
And then, after explaining all that......
the FBI let her skate.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 02:28 PM (6t8+a)
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I've also said I've said sometimes I'm libertarian just to avoid the stigma of calling myself a conservative.
but I don't think I'm a conserevative. Not anymore. This crew has shown me what conservatism is, and whatever they are, I'm not that.
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2016 02:20 PM (dciA+)
I've been self describing myself as a Nationalistic Libertarian...
ie.... a Libertarian WITHIN the US.... but for strong borders and a robust Military.
We need to fix our own country, and stop meddling in others... but also keep out the riff raff...
but I don't think I'm a conserevative. Not anymore. This crew has shown me what conservatism is, and whatever they are, I'm not that.
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2016 02:20 PM (dciA+)
I've been self describing myself as a Nationalistic Libertarian...
ie.... a Libertarian WITHIN the US.... but for strong borders and a robust Military.
We need to fix our own country, and stop meddling in others... but also keep out the riff raff...
Posted by: Don Q.... at August 18, 2016 02:28 PM (qf6WZ)
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I have often wondered what it would be like to be a Democrat... I mean instead of every election being trounced I could once back a winner . It's depressing to lose all the time...
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:15 PM (O2RFr)
I grew up in a Democratic household, considered myself a liberal until my viewsand the party line became incompatible. I had growing reservations about abortion, serious misgivings about the ideologically far-Left radicalism I was seeing, and a bullshit detector that went to eleventy every time Bill Clinton opened his bigfat lyingbubba mouth.
It's that square peg, round hole feeling. It doesn't feel like winning at all.
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:15 PM (O2RFr)
I grew up in a Democratic household, considered myself a liberal until my viewsand the party line became incompatible. I had growing reservations about abortion, serious misgivings about the ideologically far-Left radicalism I was seeing, and a bullshit detector that went to eleventy every time Bill Clinton opened his bigfat lyingbubba mouth.
It's that square peg, round hole feeling. It doesn't feel like winning at all.
Posted by: troyriser at August 18, 2016 02:28 PM (OGbEB)
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Funny how we talk about the ebb and flow of Trump in the polls, yet we discount any potential negative movement for The Hag with each new release of information or gaffe.
That smacks of a certain preconceived prejudice- don't you think?
If people will move from Trump because of his big mouth is The Hag subject to the same forces in our universe?
I think so.
It was noted by non other than her own party that The Hag is a very vulnerable and terrible candidate. She showed that against Obama.
Ever wonder why she doesn't hold press conferences? No real off the cuff public comments.
This thing is far from over and I am a little surprised the pussyfication has worked its way in around here.
By the way, I just heard Radmussen call you a 2 point race. Yeah it's hopeless or something.
That smacks of a certain preconceived prejudice- don't you think?
If people will move from Trump because of his big mouth is The Hag subject to the same forces in our universe?
I think so.
It was noted by non other than her own party that The Hag is a very vulnerable and terrible candidate. She showed that against Obama.
Ever wonder why she doesn't hold press conferences? No real off the cuff public comments.
This thing is far from over and I am a little surprised the pussyfication has worked its way in around here.
By the way, I just heard Radmussen call you a 2 point race. Yeah it's hopeless or something.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2016 02:29 PM (Ug8ez)
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73 oh, sigh, so depressing isn't it, I really think there is a disconnect, I think there are some very enthusiastic people showing up for Trump, but I also think these are the same people who don't usually vote, I hope, pray even, that they will this time, but I'm used to losing so I'm not optimistic. I really believe things were lost 8 years ago.
Posted by: spypeach at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (nyYhO)
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8 years ago it was "historic first", plus, you know, Juan McCain. I think the death rattle started in November 2012.
73 oh, sigh, so depressing isn't it, I really think there is a disconnect, I think there are some very enthusiastic people showing up for Trump, but I also think these are the same people who don't usually vote, I hope, pray even, that they will this time, but I'm used to losing so I'm not optimistic. I really believe things were lost 8 years ago.
Posted by: spypeach at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (nyYhO)
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8 years ago it was "historic first", plus, you know, Juan McCain. I think the death rattle started in November 2012.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2016 02:29 PM (Fmupd)
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Pro Tip: Remember, everybody in both parties love hookers and blow.
Posted by: Fritz at August 18, 2016 02:29 PM (2Mnv1)
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8 Trump is literally the worst candidate we could have nominated this cycle, or not.
I guess we will know in November.
I look at it this way.Trump was the only candidate, and one who came out of nowhere, that actually would turn things around. I'm not sure I could say that about Cruz. Globalization vs traditional America and America loses, and conservatism is dead just like it is in Europe and Canada. There is no real Bill of Rights in that future, the question is simply the timing of the demise.
I had already written off a turnaround at this point, after nearly 30 years setting the stage for the New World Order. I dropped out of the establishment party system around 1995 when it became obvious that the middle class and small business were of no real interest to either party, lip service aside.
But, Brexit was one hell of a surprise. Britain was many decades farther down the rabbit hole and they pulled it off. In my gut, which has been right so far many times, I see Some light and hope. Maybenot be right this time, but I believe it will come down to turnout and there are plenty of positives in that aspect.
I guess we will know in November.
I look at it this way.Trump was the only candidate, and one who came out of nowhere, that actually would turn things around. I'm not sure I could say that about Cruz. Globalization vs traditional America and America loses, and conservatism is dead just like it is in Europe and Canada. There is no real Bill of Rights in that future, the question is simply the timing of the demise.
I had already written off a turnaround at this point, after nearly 30 years setting the stage for the New World Order. I dropped out of the establishment party system around 1995 when it became obvious that the middle class and small business were of no real interest to either party, lip service aside.
But, Brexit was one hell of a surprise. Britain was many decades farther down the rabbit hole and they pulled it off. In my gut, which has been right so far many times, I see Some light and hope. Maybenot be right this time, but I believe it will come down to turnout and there are plenty of positives in that aspect.
Posted by: Keith at August 18, 2016 02:29 PM (nFB1w)
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Man this is going to be so frickin' ugly.
Time to invest in precious metals?
Gold
Silver
Blued steel
Lead
Brass
Your order of priority may vary.
Time to invest in precious metals?
Gold
Silver
Blued steel
Lead
Brass
Your order of priority may vary.
Posted by: Drill at August 18, 2016 02:29 PM (DN9jO)
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It's too volatile, so for that reason I think there is still hope, but he's losing now for sure.
Creeping back up in the RCP average, but I'm not seeing any good movement in the important states, which is a bad sign.
Saw posted on twitter today the early voting dates, looks like that's a big deal in Ohio and NC. Other places like VA and CO I think are totally lost and would have been regardless of the nominee, though maybe they'd be closer.
Going to be a nail biter. If he keeps up what he did on Tuesday night, he'll get back in it, he can do some of the off the cuff stumping too, but his margin of error for the stupid stuff is less than zero. He can not afford to continue to push people that could be persuaded to vote for him away any more.
Creeping back up in the RCP average, but I'm not seeing any good movement in the important states, which is a bad sign.
Saw posted on twitter today the early voting dates, looks like that's a big deal in Ohio and NC. Other places like VA and CO I think are totally lost and would have been regardless of the nominee, though maybe they'd be closer.
Going to be a nail biter. If he keeps up what he did on Tuesday night, he'll get back in it, he can do some of the off the cuff stumping too, but his margin of error for the stupid stuff is less than zero. He can not afford to continue to push people that could be persuaded to vote for him away any more.
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at August 18, 2016 02:29 PM (Uy8SG)
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Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (mgbwf)
I guess that works, too. And of course, I see the "you're-your" fuck up right after hitting "post".
What I wouldn't give for an "edit" button.
I guess that works, too. And of course, I see the "you're-your" fuck up right after hitting "post".
What I wouldn't give for an "edit" button.
Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at August 18, 2016 02:30 PM (JKZQv)
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J.J. Sefton, #48: That is excellent. I didn't see it when I wrote my comment on pretending I've converted, but you put it much better than I did.
Posted by: JPS at August 18, 2016 02:30 PM (ueucK)
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Seriously, what does the Republican party stand for besides platitudes and, to some degree, social positions that simply turn would-be voters off? Its economic platform favors Big Corp just like the Dems. It seems to want to pander to the rest of the world almost as much.
Frankly, the Repub party only has itself to blame. It has demographed itself out of power beginning with amnesty 1986. It could not focus on economic issues after the dot-com crash. Worst, probably, was that regardless of how strong an argument could be made for invading Iraq and Afghanistan, the American public didn't want anything more than a short, sharp, ass-kicking and then get-the-hell out (if that).
So, well, Republican party, you had a nice run for awhile, but you crapped out the last 20 years or so.
Frankly, the Repub party only has itself to blame. It has demographed itself out of power beginning with amnesty 1986. It could not focus on economic issues after the dot-com crash. Worst, probably, was that regardless of how strong an argument could be made for invading Iraq and Afghanistan, the American public didn't want anything more than a short, sharp, ass-kicking and then get-the-hell out (if that).
So, well, Republican party, you had a nice run for awhile, but you crapped out the last 20 years or so.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 18, 2016 02:30 PM (dZ756)
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Agree GOP has committed suicide, disagree that joining dems is worth it. If I were young, I might consider it, in order to keep my job and benefits so my children could eat but now it's grandkids I worry for. I am old and fear the America of a single strong Party controlling the executive, legislative and judicial, a compliant and willing accomplice media and no opposition, not even token. Nope. Rather die fighting than live in fear of having a tainted thought or expressing a forbidden word.
Posted by: An American Commoner at August 18, 2016 02:30 PM (pxwEr)
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A lot can happen between now and November 1.
Strokes, terrorist attacks, SMOD, maybe even an alien invasion.
Strokes, terrorist attacks, SMOD, maybe even an alien invasion.
Posted by: rd at August 18, 2016 02:30 PM (7hRS/)
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We have been seeing a LOT of new-name trolls here since the election heated up. It happens every election. Keep in mind that one of those "leaks" from the Hillery hack was that she had set aside $1M (or $2M) for the purpose of hiring trolls to hit the internet.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 18, 2016 02:30 PM (mpXpK)
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gutta cavat lapidem non vi sed saepe cadendo
"A drop hollows a stone not by force, but by often falling"
"A drop hollows a stone not by force, but by often falling"
Posted by: An American Commoner at August 18, 2016 02:30 PM (pxwEr)
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Perino is #NeverTrump, right?
She's establishment and neoconservative. Her job is to gin up a groundswell to expel dissenters "from the movement" like ole WFB did.
She's establishment and neoconservative. Her job is to gin up a groundswell to expel dissenters "from the movement" like ole WFB did.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at August 18, 2016 02:30 PM (THupw)
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And, on a more serious note, I've given up too. The Left understands the power of social pressure and the Right does not. If you don't believe what a conservative believes they will try to reason with you but eventually will leave you alone. A leftist, on the other hand, will relentlessly mobilize the community to pressure you into conformity. With most Americans, it's worked. There is no valid space left for conservatism.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 18, 2016 02:31 PM (RD7QR)
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And Perino is one of the Bush acolytes. I wouldn't take her word on anything political. Even when she's sober.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2016 02:31 PM (Ug8ez)
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thin veneer of civility for announcing "dana perino is a cunt."
There are just some deeply unpleasant and nasty people. They think they contribute to the site with their thuggish venom and juvenile rages. They do the opposite. They will be excluded.
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2016 02:16 PM (dciA+)
I thought tvoc has been on the ban list for a long time?
There are just some deeply unpleasant and nasty people. They think they contribute to the site with their thuggish venom and juvenile rages. They do the opposite. They will be excluded.
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2016 02:16 PM (dciA+)
I thought tvoc has been on the ban list for a long time?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2016 02:31 PM (oqkO3)
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:31 PM (O2RFr)
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I'm going to a Trump rally this weekend to see for myself, to hear for myself. Should be at the very least interesting. If I'm not too drunk, I'll give a report when I get back.
Posted by: spypeach at August 18, 2016 02:31 PM (nyYhO)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 18, 2016 02:31 PM (1ZOkK)
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I agree. The polls are not "rigged." But we'll know soon enough if the election is "rigged."
Posted by: JoeF. at August 18, 2016 02:31 PM (3P9Cm)
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"plenty of positives in that aspect"
Like the fact he hasn't spent any money? Has no ground game? Little to no ad spend? Almost nothing as far as data analytics?
Even in a toss up race (not being down 5-10), he loses purely due to lack of money for turnout operations?
Like the fact he hasn't spent any money? Has no ground game? Little to no ad spend? Almost nothing as far as data analytics?
Even in a toss up race (not being down 5-10), he loses purely due to lack of money for turnout operations?
Posted by: Hotdog at August 18, 2016 02:31 PM (OHyGW)
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I've disagreed with AoSHQ management for a long time over (1) Trump can win, and (2) Trump is a Bad Man.
As noted above, there are polls that show a dead heat, and some that show Trump getting beat but with questionable assumptions on turnout.
This after more than a month of MSM being all-in for Hillary. Has this played out? I say yes. Trump needs to shout over MSM and can do that with outrageous ads that go viral going into the debates. Bannon and Ailes can help here.
I don't agree with Ace's premise that you need to vote for Trump because bad as he is, Hillary's worse. I wouldn't say Trump is a good man, but I believe that he's running more as a patriot than out of ego. If elected, I expect that he can be effective including at pushing some of the conservative agenda.
As noted above, there are polls that show a dead heat, and some that show Trump getting beat but with questionable assumptions on turnout.
This after more than a month of MSM being all-in for Hillary. Has this played out? I say yes. Trump needs to shout over MSM and can do that with outrageous ads that go viral going into the debates. Bannon and Ailes can help here.
I don't agree with Ace's premise that you need to vote for Trump because bad as he is, Hillary's worse. I wouldn't say Trump is a good man, but I believe that he's running more as a patriot than out of ego. If elected, I expect that he can be effective including at pushing some of the conservative agenda.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2016 02:31 PM (r1fLd)
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Silver lining: most of the "conservative" leadership has been completely exposed. I don't look at George Will or Jim Geraghty or Bill Kristol the same way anymore.
Posted by: Matt at August 18, 2016 02:31 PM (90w0O)
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116 J.J. Sefton, #48: That is excellent. I didn't see it when I wrote my comment on pretending I've converted, but you put it much better than I did.
Posted by: JPS at August 18, 2016 02:30 PM (ueucK)
I think of people who have died for this country and then I think of Obama and the Wookie and all the rest defecating on their graves.
Hateful. Just hateful and enraging.
Posted by: JPS at August 18, 2016 02:30 PM (ueucK)
I think of people who have died for this country and then I think of Obama and the Wookie and all the rest defecating on their graves.
Hateful. Just hateful and enraging.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:31 PM (9P3OG)
Posted by: nip at August 18, 2016 02:31 PM (L5nkE)
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While a Hillary win will be bad, I don't think that it will be permanent. Sooner or later (probably sooner...), we'll end up in another massive war again, and the Dems will get kicked out of office. Hopefully at that point we'll be able to start undoing the damage, as was the case when Wilson finally left office after World War I.
I wouldn't want to be one of the troops that's stuck in the mlitary when that war breaks out, though. It'll be 1941 all over again.
I wouldn't want to be one of the troops that's stuck in the mlitary when that war breaks out, though. It'll be 1941 all over again.
Posted by: junior at August 18, 2016 02:32 PM (mUM5y)
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Ace, do you feel this is a realignment towards your early primary days stance where you'd be phoning your anti-Hillary stuff in?
Or is it more akin to the same dilemma I go through living in a big city where you have no say in governance and carry a social stigma with no reward. So may as well get some of the lucre?
Or is it more akin to the same dilemma I go through living in a big city where you have no say in governance and carry a social stigma with no reward. So may as well get some of the lucre?
Posted by: Chupacabra at August 18, 2016 02:32 PM (6m50f)
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Trump may very well lose but.....
No one has cast even a single vote yet.
Hell, the illegal votes and the fraud hasn't even begun yet.
Don't cave in to these mfers yet. That's exactly what they're counting on.
They know Hillary is awful. If you can't get support for your person then suppress the other guys turnout.
There's no telling what can/will happen between now and election day.
And if Hillary wins, the after party may not be quite what the Dems bargained for.
No one has cast even a single vote yet.
Hell, the illegal votes and the fraud hasn't even begun yet.
Don't cave in to these mfers yet. That's exactly what they're counting on.
They know Hillary is awful. If you can't get support for your person then suppress the other guys turnout.
There's no telling what can/will happen between now and election day.
And if Hillary wins, the after party may not be quite what the Dems bargained for.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2016 02:32 PM (X+nFp)
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Which, they done effed up. They've expelled so many the outsiders now outnumber the cool kids.
Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at August 18, 2016 02:32 PM (THupw)
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The polls weren't right on Brexit. Close, but still wrong. There's a reason why we have terms like 'shy Tory' and that one effect I forget.
Maybe those effects won't enough, maybe they will. But as I keep saying, no way does Hillary get Obama's turnout, especially among Afro-Americans. I bet Hillary gets, overall, fewer votes than Obama did in '12 (when he did worse than he did in '08 yet still won).
So I'm saying there's a fighting chance. We'll see how good Trump's strategy/tactics/ability to recognize stupid fucking ideas is soon. I mean post-Labor Day ads, the debates... Stuff will happen.
Maybe those effects won't enough, maybe they will. But as I keep saying, no way does Hillary get Obama's turnout, especially among Afro-Americans. I bet Hillary gets, overall, fewer votes than Obama did in '12 (when he did worse than he did in '08 yet still won).
So I'm saying there's a fighting chance. We'll see how good Trump's strategy/tactics/ability to recognize stupid fucking ideas is soon. I mean post-Labor Day ads, the debates... Stuff will happen.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at August 18, 2016 02:32 PM (q3SBA)
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well, I guess today is "I give up" day. Not impressed. And Dana is cute and all but she is usually wrong when it comes to Trump. She misses the "olden" times. Those days are gone peeps. Get on the trump train or don't but US elections are no longer what you think they are. Britexit anyone???
Posted by: Brian at August 18, 2016 02:33 PM (wTSvK)
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This is just a weird election season. It's hard for me to parse Hillary's tepid turnouts at campaign events and the fact that she's doing so few of them, with her supposed dominance in the polls.
Trump is packing venues everywhere he goes. I almost feel like this is a Brexit situation but who knows.
Trump is packing venues everywhere he goes. I almost feel like this is a Brexit situation but who knows.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at August 18, 2016 02:33 PM (rvzMR)
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Marcus T I love you man! Thank you for your sanity.
Posted by: An American Commoner at August 18, 2016 02:33 PM (pxwEr)
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It's a bit early for this post I think.
The general just started and after a few stupid remarks Trump seems to be finally getting his sh!t together.
Give it a few weeks. Let the convention bounces settle and the hurtful remarks Trump made against the gold star Muslim citizenship vendor fade.
There'll be plenty of time to give up in a month or so.
The general just started and after a few stupid remarks Trump seems to be finally getting his sh!t together.
Give it a few weeks. Let the convention bounces settle and the hurtful remarks Trump made against the gold star Muslim citizenship vendor fade.
There'll be plenty of time to give up in a month or so.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 18, 2016 02:33 PM (kfcYC)
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The polls aren't rigged. The electorate is.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2016 02:33 PM (IqV8l)
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141 This is just a weird election season. It's hard for me to parse Hillary's tepid turnouts at campaign events and the fact that she's doing so few of them, with her supposed dominance in the polls.
And she takes most the week off.... Could be she's so sure of her win...
And she takes most the week off.... Could be she's so sure of her win...
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (O2RFr)
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Yes, one can look at the state of the race as Dana Perino does, and of
course Romney is hard to forget. There is another. Only 41% of us
adults are currently (or at least a/o) of July are paying attention
to the race. I imagine even less in August. Bush in 2000, with Bill
Clinton and the Clinton machine in full operational mode, was trailing
most of SEPTEMBER by 8-10% to Albert Gore. Beginning of October Al Gore was hitting 49% and 50%, Bush 40%. Also, which may not be a not be a trivial matter, there are 60-70 million
evangelicals in the US. So, I personally, will wait to call this race
lost at least until end of October, or maybe even beginning of November.
course Romney is hard to forget. There is another. Only 41% of us
adults are currently (or at least a/o) of July are paying attention
to the race. I imagine even less in August. Bush in 2000, with Bill
Clinton and the Clinton machine in full operational mode, was trailing
most of SEPTEMBER by 8-10% to Albert Gore. Beginning of October Al Gore was hitting 49% and 50%, Bush 40%. Also, which may not be a not be a trivial matter, there are 60-70 million
evangelicals in the US. So, I personally, will wait to call this race
lost at least until end of October, or maybe even beginning of November.
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (c6/9Q)
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In a way, maybe it is better right now to expect and prepare for the worst this November and then pray for pudding and flaming toupees.
In a way, maybe it is better right now to expect and prepare for the worst this November and then pray for pudding and flaming toupees.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (9P3OG)
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"An election season is like winter falling on a lake. "
Damn, that's some poetic shit right there. Dude can turn a phrase.
Damn, that's some poetic shit right there. Dude can turn a phrase.
Posted by: scofflaw_x at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (wniql)
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I have some principle differences with Trump, but this is a one issue election for me -- immigration. When I remove all media filters and just read the Trump campaign's tweets or Facebook messages or simply watch his campaign rally/speeches on the live stream he is hitting home runs with the bases loaded.
Good enough since there never was a true steward of the Constitution in this election process.
Good enough since there never was a true steward of the Constitution in this election process.
Posted by: Salted Meats at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (dlSBV)
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I'll repeat again my observation from weeks ago...
I live in a very liberal L.A. enclave and have walked and driven the whole area and seen exactly TWO Hillary signs. No Trumps signs (not surprising as that would invite vandalism). There is no enthusiasm here for her and being California, I suspect that turnout will be muted (the Senate race is a joke). She'll still win Cali, but popular vote totals will be down.
Sadly, one of the two Hillary signs is a good friend who thinks Trump is a "fascist" and will launch nukes - that's the result of relentless negative stories with no counter narrative, which we have and will continue to fail at until the end times.
I agree with others here, this country is done - I am in full "I got mine" mode and almost rooting for full on meltdown so I can laugh (then cry).
I live in a very liberal L.A. enclave and have walked and driven the whole area and seen exactly TWO Hillary signs. No Trumps signs (not surprising as that would invite vandalism). There is no enthusiasm here for her and being California, I suspect that turnout will be muted (the Senate race is a joke). She'll still win Cali, but popular vote totals will be down.
Sadly, one of the two Hillary signs is a good friend who thinks Trump is a "fascist" and will launch nukes - that's the result of relentless negative stories with no counter narrative, which we have and will continue to fail at until the end times.
I agree with others here, this country is done - I am in full "I got mine" mode and almost rooting for full on meltdown so I can laugh (then cry).
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (m40v5)
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You can shot the messenger all you want (Perrin, Ace, however) but Trump is down and not within the MOE.
And Ace is right, each week he continues to be down, it gets harder and harder to fix.
Trump has 1 bullet left, the first debate. If he bombs that it is over.
And Ace is right, each week he continues to be down, it gets harder and harder to fix.
Trump has 1 bullet left, the first debate. If he bombs that it is over.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (Grjqn)
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All of you who feel down about Trump need to look at his speech in Wisconsin. It was fantastic. He sounded and looked presidential.
Still think it's too early to worry about the polls.
Still think it's too early to worry about the polls.
Posted by: Mike at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (ISxUB)
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At this point, I'm really just hoping that I'll get to see the schadenfreude when those who ran this once great nation into the ground get what they deserve.
The times aren't getting any less interesting, and if it happens within a generation or so, we might still have enough people left who haven't been indoctrinated by the left that we can rebuild a functioning society.
The times aren't getting any less interesting, and if it happens within a generation or so, we might still have enough people left who haven't been indoctrinated by the left that we can rebuild a functioning society.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (KUaJL)
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I'm looking forward to Happy Fun Camp. I wonder if they'll have scuba diving. That would be awesome.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (Fmupd)
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When Trump speechifies, as he did in Milwaukee, NYC and Youngstown, he's brilliant. But then somehow he or his surrogates shoot themselves in the foot the next day so the message is lost.
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Eah, don't blame Trump necessarily. The MSM would find something. Remember "binders full of women"?
When Trump speechifies, as he did in Milwaukee, NYC and Youngstown, he's brilliant. But then somehow he or his surrogates shoot themselves in the foot the next day so the message is lost.
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Eah, don't blame Trump necessarily. The MSM would find something. Remember "binders full of women"?
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (5o5ek)
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joncelli, #123:
"If you don't believe what a conservative believes they will try to reason with you"
Have you tried telling a NeverTrump conservative that should Hillary invade hell you would at least put in a favorable word for the devil? Or telling a conservative Trump supporter lately that not supporting him is *not* tantamount to voting Hillary?
We used to try to be better than the left. Now we see their tactics working for them and we've decided to get us some of that re-form, pappy.
"If you don't believe what a conservative believes they will try to reason with you"
Have you tried telling a NeverTrump conservative that should Hillary invade hell you would at least put in a favorable word for the devil? Or telling a conservative Trump supporter lately that not supporting him is *not* tantamount to voting Hillary?
We used to try to be better than the left. Now we see their tactics working for them and we've decided to get us some of that re-form, pappy.
Posted by: JPS at August 18, 2016 02:35 PM (ueucK)
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What is this "social price of being a conservative" you speak of?
As a conservative I don't give two shits what polite society thinks about me. What are they going to do...shun me? Oh noes!!!! I won't be able to go to the lesbian rainforest fund raising gala this year!
Eff them. I proudly wear the fact that I'm a conservative on my sleeve (literally...I have some great shirts that I love to wear to social gatherings and local festivities). What price have I paid for it?
None. The majority of successful person I deal with are conservative. Those who aren't as blatant about as myself often like to talk to me about it when their liberal "friends" are nowhere to be seen.
As a conservative I don't give two shits what polite society thinks about me. What are they going to do...shun me? Oh noes!!!! I won't be able to go to the lesbian rainforest fund raising gala this year!
Eff them. I proudly wear the fact that I'm a conservative on my sleeve (literally...I have some great shirts that I love to wear to social gatherings and local festivities). What price have I paid for it?
None. The majority of successful person I deal with are conservative. Those who aren't as blatant about as myself often like to talk to me about it when their liberal "friends" are nowhere to be seen.
Posted by: ajmojo at August 18, 2016 02:35 PM (1H9ox)
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I will not support the Democrats if Trump loses and the GOP becomes effectively dead.
However, I can easily take a "I don't give a fuck anymore" attitude. Besides I'm getting older and I might as well cup my hands and ask for some free shit just like everybody else. Whaddaya got?
However, I can easily take a "I don't give a fuck anymore" attitude. Besides I'm getting older and I might as well cup my hands and ask for some free shit just like everybody else. Whaddaya got?
Posted by: JoeF. at August 18, 2016 02:35 PM (3P9Cm)
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135 While a Hillary win will be bad, I don't think that it will be permanent. Sooner or later (probably sooner...), we'll end up in another massive war again, and the Dems will get kicked out of office. Hopefully at that point we'll be able to start undoing the damage, as was the case when Wilson finally left office after World War I.
I wouldn't want to be one of the troops that's stuck in the mlitary when that war breaks out, though. It'll be 1941 all over again.
Posted by: junior at August 18, 2016 02:32 PM (mUM5y)
Compare the populace and the national psyche of the people on 12/6-12/7/41 with 2016.
That should alarm you right there.
I wouldn't want to be one of the troops that's stuck in the mlitary when that war breaks out, though. It'll be 1941 all over again.
Posted by: junior at August 18, 2016 02:32 PM (mUM5y)
Compare the populace and the national psyche of the people on 12/6-12/7/41 with 2016.
That should alarm you right there.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:35 PM (9P3OG)
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This isn't hard folks.....if you want to save America, vote TRUMP.
Posted by: Myshiba at August 18, 2016 02:35 PM (cfHE9)
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Speaking of t-shirts and social zeitgeist:
Yesterday was in downtown Berkeley, a town which is as anti-Trump as you can possibly get, and I saw a guy sitting in a cafe with a blue T-shirt that said (in her campaign logo font style) "HILLARY..." And I didn't think anything of it, because of course, we're in Berkeley. But then he shifted position and I could see the rest of the t-shirt: "...for PRISON."
And I was like, "YESSSSS!", because it showed that even in the heart of leftieland, she is still hated. The guy was probably a BernieBro, sure, but nonetheless, I could tell he wasn't going to vote for Cankles. In fact, all around the Bay Area, I see very little, if any, enthusiasm for her.
In the battle to escape the public's negative opinion, Hillary is NOT winning.
Yesterday was in downtown Berkeley, a town which is as anti-Trump as you can possibly get, and I saw a guy sitting in a cafe with a blue T-shirt that said (in her campaign logo font style) "HILLARY..." And I didn't think anything of it, because of course, we're in Berkeley. But then he shifted position and I could see the rest of the t-shirt: "...for PRISON."
And I was like, "YESSSSS!", because it showed that even in the heart of leftieland, she is still hated. The guy was probably a BernieBro, sure, but nonetheless, I could tell he wasn't going to vote for Cankles. In fact, all around the Bay Area, I see very little, if any, enthusiasm for her.
In the battle to escape the public's negative opinion, Hillary is NOT winning.
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 02:35 PM (jBuUi)
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No picture of Dana Perino accompanying article about Dana Perino. Disappointing.
Posted by: Greg Gutfeld at August 18, 2016 02:35 PM (5eEmf)
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Funny how we talk about the ebb and flow of Trump in the polls, yet we discount any potential negative movement for The Hag with each new release of information or gaffe.
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Because one is about the candidate actually conducting himself like a fucking candidate, and the other is wishful thinking that "Something will happen". Maybe it will, but that's not a strategy.
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Because one is about the candidate actually conducting himself like a fucking candidate, and the other is wishful thinking that "Something will happen". Maybe it will, but that's not a strategy.
Posted by: Dave at August 18, 2016 02:36 PM (2Kysq)
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Ace this is like your "19th Nervous Breakdown" and you really need a break from blogging. After Trump gets slaughtered in November maybe you ought to reflect about how you and other hard Right bloggers along with Fox News and the Talk Radio Mafia paved the way for the Tangerine Haired fraudster.
By the way North Carolina is a purple state that went for Obama in 2012,and Romney for all his faults did better than the Republican Party except in Massachusetts where Scott Brown even though he lost to Elizabeth Warren, got more votes thanhe did. Contemplate that! All the polls in the last week had Obama beating Romney but with about half the percentage that he beat McCain. Romney got around 61 million votes in 2012 and still lost, Trump wont get anywhere near as much.
The fact is that the type of alleged conservatism at this frat house and atother places such as Breitbart and Weasael Zippers is an anathema to the rest of the nation.
By the way North Carolina is a purple state that went for Obama in 2012,and Romney for all his faults did better than the Republican Party except in Massachusetts where Scott Brown even though he lost to Elizabeth Warren, got more votes thanhe did. Contemplate that! All the polls in the last week had Obama beating Romney but with about half the percentage that he beat McCain. Romney got around 61 million votes in 2012 and still lost, Trump wont get anywhere near as much.
The fact is that the type of alleged conservatism at this frat house and atother places such as Breitbart and Weasael Zippers is an anathema to the rest of the nation.
Posted by: Cool Hand Luke at August 18, 2016 02:36 PM (vcMIS)
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One of these two is going to be President. I mock low info voters for voting with their "feelings" all the time, and I'm not about to join their ranks. I don't give a shit about any feelings of betrayal by the GOP, or my feeling that Trump is a mega-RINO duping millions of dupes, I have to vote for him because of math. Don't have to like him, or even respect him, but I know he's the lesser of two evils, so that's who I choose.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 18, 2016 02:36 PM (2cS/G)
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One last thing, earlier today I saw where Hillary already has 300 electoral votes locked up, FWIW.
I think that's the real problem. And there's no candidate with an "R" after their name that can do a damn thing to change that. I'm pretty sure Chelsea Clinton '24 has 300 electoral votes as of now.
I think that's the real problem. And there's no candidate with an "R" after their name that can do a damn thing to change that. I'm pretty sure Chelsea Clinton '24 has 300 electoral votes as of now.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 18, 2016 02:36 PM (SeD0w)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:36 PM (9P3OG)
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And now even Fox has gone Anti Trump... every time they have Carl Cameron on, its a negative story about Trump's horrible campaign and how its in disarray...
Because they hate Trump, or because Trump really was running a terrible campaign that was in disarray?
Because they hate Trump, or because Trump really was running a terrible campaign that was in disarray?
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:37 PM (O7MnT)
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There's a 'social ostracism' thing going this election I've never seen before. A huge attempt to belittle anyone supporting Trump. So, if true, some percentage of persons polled are lying.
Zogby has attempted to negate that factor and calls it even. Some app developer created an anonymous app and Trump was in the 50's.
It ain't over. Suck it people, we live in interesting times.
Zogby has attempted to negate that factor and calls it even. Some app developer created an anonymous app and Trump was in the 50's.
It ain't over. Suck it people, we live in interesting times.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 18, 2016 02:37 PM (ZnIt3)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 18, 2016 02:37 PM (wPiJc)
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"If I'm not too drunk, I'll give a report when I get back."
No...the best reports are after a few drinks.
In wine, there is truth.
You can apologize later.
After we all get done reading and giggling.
No...the best reports are after a few drinks.
In wine, there is truth.
You can apologize later.
After we all get done reading and giggling.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 02:37 PM (6t8+a)
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And, on a more serious note, I've given up too. The Left understands the power of social pressure and the Right does not. If you don't believe what a conservative believes they will try to reason with you but eventually will leave you alone. A leftist, on the other hand, will relentlessly mobilize the community to pressure you into conformity.
So if I don't go along with the left, they'll cast me out and ostracize me and shun me?
Promise??
So if I don't go along with the left, they'll cast me out and ostracize me and shun me?
Promise??
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 02:37 PM (AmeQT)
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160 This isn't hard folks.....if you want to save America, vote TRUMP.
Posted by: Myshiba at August 18, 2016 02:35 PM (cfHE9)
This x 57,000,000.
Posted by: Myshiba at August 18, 2016 02:35 PM (cfHE9)
This x 57,000,000.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:37 PM (9P3OG)
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There are two polls today that have Trump within two points and we're a long way out. There is no Hill-mentum. In 2008, Donks, particularly blacks, would skip their mother's funeral to vote for Obozo. Not so for Hillz. Group's campaign has been assassinated 3,749 times yet he keeps on ticking. I foresee a flock of black swans coming home to roost. (Rootin' Tootin' Putin looks to be taking Ukraine into the fold before Obozo leaves office, for example, Obozo is giving the internet away, and there's another Milwaukee just around the corner.) As D Day gets nearer I think many NeverTrumpers will fall in line, if not in love, when they are staring the Hellbitch in the face.
Trump needs to take it out of first, though, and I am worried about vote fraud.
Trump needs to take it out of first, though, and I am worried about vote fraud.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 18, 2016 02:37 PM (Nwg0u)
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I will never be a democrat. I will die free, first.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW- Skeet Surfing at August 18, 2016 02:38 PM (m3iiU)
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If you really hate the GOPe, try to make Trump as successful as possible.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 18, 2016 02:38 PM (kfcYC)
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if you want to save America, vote TRUMP.
I have no such illusions. President Trump will be a disaster surpassed only by the holocaust of President Hillary. It's merely relative. Trump is survivable, probably, Hillary not so much.
I have no such illusions. President Trump will be a disaster surpassed only by the holocaust of President Hillary. It's merely relative. Trump is survivable, probably, Hillary not so much.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 02:38 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (9P3OG)
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I could tell he wasn't going to vote for Cankles. In fact, all around the Bay Area, I see very little, if any, enthusiasm for her.
So, Calis in play??
So, Calis in play??
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (SeD0w)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (mgbwf)
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This Thread will get out of conTroll.
It will get out of conTroll and we'll be lucky to live through it.
It will get out of conTroll and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (/hxGw)
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This is just a weird election season. It's hard for me to parse Hillary's tepid turnouts at campaign events and the fact that she's doing so few of them, with her supposed dominance in the polls.
And she takes most the week off.... Could be she's so sure of her win...
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (O2RFr)
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I think she's just avoiding trouble. Look at the dangers of campaigning. She has to make promises that she'll be asked about in debate, she has to make statements that contradict her former policies, she has to make patently ridiculous stories about her transparency and honesty, someone could ask her an awkward question. Why risk it?
This is just a weird election season. It's hard for me to parse Hillary's tepid turnouts at campaign events and the fact that she's doing so few of them, with her supposed dominance in the polls.
And she takes most the week off.... Could be she's so sure of her win...
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (O2RFr)
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I think she's just avoiding trouble. Look at the dangers of campaigning. She has to make promises that she'll be asked about in debate, she has to make statements that contradict her former policies, she has to make patently ridiculous stories about her transparency and honesty, someone could ask her an awkward question. Why risk it?
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (5o5ek)
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (O2RFr)
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The debates will be very very interesting.
Posted by: major major major major at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (YcKif)
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159 135 While a Hillary win will be bad, I don't think that it will be permanent. Sooner or later (probably sooner...), we'll end up in another massive war again, and the Dems will get kicked out of office-junior
8 years Obama
4-8 years of Hillary
Too much institutional corruption for 20 years of GOP rule to get rid of.
Imagine Hillary with 3 SCOTUS picks and about 40 Fed Judge appointees, say nothing about IRS, EPA, OSHA, Fed Labor board, on and on.
8 years Obama
4-8 years of Hillary
Too much institutional corruption for 20 years of GOP rule to get rid of.
Imagine Hillary with 3 SCOTUS picks and about 40 Fed Judge appointees, say nothing about IRS, EPA, OSHA, Fed Labor board, on and on.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (voOPb)
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"I'm looking forward to Happy Fun Camp. I wonder if they'll have scuba diving. That would be awesome."
I call Top Bunk!!
I call Top Bunk!!
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 02:40 PM (6t8+a)
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In wine, there is truth.
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That's a great line! Would make a good motto. I wonder what that would sound like in Latin.
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That's a great line! Would make a good motto. I wonder what that would sound like in Latin.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 18, 2016 02:40 PM (wPiJc)
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178 Ace
I am glad you see reality now. You finally realize that pushing this white resentment politics only had a limited appeal. Trump's hiring of Steven Bannon, a man with ties to Alt Right/White Nationalists is confirmation that the Republican party is now run by an alliance of George Wallace Democrats, Birchers and Neo Nazis.
You have pushed this type of ideology that last 4 years and now realize it is a dead end. Glad you are recognizing reality. But you share the blame for what has happens.
Ace, you are. One of the people responsible for the current state of the Republican party. You used this platform t push paranoia and racist stories and created an echo chamber. You are as much responsible for this debacle as Trump is. White Nationalism is not popular in 2016 America.
Throw in the towel, your cause is done.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers
MEDIA MATTERS TROLL ALERT! MEDIA MATTERS TROLL ALERT!
I am glad you see reality now. You finally realize that pushing this white resentment politics only had a limited appeal. Trump's hiring of Steven Bannon, a man with ties to Alt Right/White Nationalists is confirmation that the Republican party is now run by an alliance of George Wallace Democrats, Birchers and Neo Nazis.
You have pushed this type of ideology that last 4 years and now realize it is a dead end. Glad you are recognizing reality. But you share the blame for what has happens.
Ace, you are. One of the people responsible for the current state of the Republican party. You used this platform t push paranoia and racist stories and created an echo chamber. You are as much responsible for this debacle as Trump is. White Nationalism is not popular in 2016 America.
Throw in the towel, your cause is done.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers
MEDIA MATTERS TROLL ALERT! MEDIA MATTERS TROLL ALERT!
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 02:40 PM (jBuUi)
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Throw in the towel, your cause is done.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (d2PUb)
You could have spare us all and just written C**T to get banned.
Throw in the towel, your cause is done.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (d2PUb)
You could have spare us all and just written C**T to get banned.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:40 PM (9P3OG)
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67 The Media has been trumpeting that Trump has already lost.... for a couple of weeks now.
EVERY story on MSN is anti Trump.
EVERY story on CNN is anti Trump.
And now even Fox has gone Anti Trump... every time they have Carl Cameron on, its a negative story about Trump's horrible campaign and how its in disarray...
Hillary is barely covered... or if covered ALWAYS has surrogates on to defend her... while for Trump we normally see Repubs who don't really like him trying to half heartedly defend him.
We are seeing the results of a Left media blitz... and the cover given to them by REPUBLICANS who continue to actively campaign against Trump.
Posted by: Don Q.... at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (qf6WZ)
The top story on Google every day for a month now has been an anti-trump story, with virtual silence on she-who-shall-not-be-named. The media has figgered out that the best way to promote SWSNBN is to hide her until Nov 2 - and they're right.
I'm still hoping that there are a lot of conservative leaning people out there who will show up in droves to vote for Trump and who are also the types who will tell a pollster a lie or to just go f themselves when asked.
EVERY story on MSN is anti Trump.
EVERY story on CNN is anti Trump.
And now even Fox has gone Anti Trump... every time they have Carl Cameron on, its a negative story about Trump's horrible campaign and how its in disarray...
Hillary is barely covered... or if covered ALWAYS has surrogates on to defend her... while for Trump we normally see Repubs who don't really like him trying to half heartedly defend him.
We are seeing the results of a Left media blitz... and the cover given to them by REPUBLICANS who continue to actively campaign against Trump.
Posted by: Don Q.... at August 18, 2016 02:24 PM (qf6WZ)
The top story on Google every day for a month now has been an anti-trump story, with virtual silence on she-who-shall-not-be-named. The media has figgered out that the best way to promote SWSNBN is to hide her until Nov 2 - and they're right.
I'm still hoping that there are a lot of conservative leaning people out there who will show up in droves to vote for Trump and who are also the types who will tell a pollster a lie or to just go f themselves when asked.
Posted by: West at August 18, 2016 02:40 PM (1Rgee)
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Yes, a Hillary presidency will be awful.
But humans have suffered under worse. Under Soviet Communism, Cuban Socialism, Under Mugabe, Pol Pot, Tito, Chavez and Maduro.
It will suck, but we will find a way to cope. We must, above all else, maintain our humanity and our decency.
And our firearms. Definitely.
But humans have suffered under worse. Under Soviet Communism, Cuban Socialism, Under Mugabe, Pol Pot, Tito, Chavez and Maduro.
It will suck, but we will find a way to cope. We must, above all else, maintain our humanity and our decency.
And our firearms. Definitely.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:40 PM (O7MnT)
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130 "plenty of positives in that aspect"
Like the fact he hasn't spent any money? Has no ground game? Little to no ad spend? Almost nothing as far as data analytics?
Even in a toss up race (not being down 5-10), he loses purely due to lack of money for turnout operations?
No, because Hillary, vagina aside, is not a compelling candidate. I see more folks that won't actually vote for Trump not being compelled to actually go out and vote for Hillary. As ace noted the black vote will not be as driven, nor do I anticipate a huge turnout for Hillary from Bernie supporters. Trump supporters will, and the demographics of some of the main swing states should help him if the other demographics in those states are not as engaged.
By the way, I'm seeing Hillary ads in suburban Illinois, a blue state. These might be part of a national ad buy for the Olympics, but that would seem a bit inefficient. I almost never see a presidential ad in this state.
Trump is also supposed to start spending money shortly. I don't know if his strategy will work or not, but we'll see. Also, I was burned by the Romney poll stuff as well, but given the existential nature of this election I am still somewhat open to the polling being pushed hard to drive down trump turnout.
Like the fact he hasn't spent any money? Has no ground game? Little to no ad spend? Almost nothing as far as data analytics?
Even in a toss up race (not being down 5-10), he loses purely due to lack of money for turnout operations?
No, because Hillary, vagina aside, is not a compelling candidate. I see more folks that won't actually vote for Trump not being compelled to actually go out and vote for Hillary. As ace noted the black vote will not be as driven, nor do I anticipate a huge turnout for Hillary from Bernie supporters. Trump supporters will, and the demographics of some of the main swing states should help him if the other demographics in those states are not as engaged.
By the way, I'm seeing Hillary ads in suburban Illinois, a blue state. These might be part of a national ad buy for the Olympics, but that would seem a bit inefficient. I almost never see a presidential ad in this state.
Trump is also supposed to start spending money shortly. I don't know if his strategy will work or not, but we'll see. Also, I was burned by the Romney poll stuff as well, but given the existential nature of this election I am still somewhat open to the polling being pushed hard to drive down trump turnout.
Posted by: Keith at August 18, 2016 02:40 PM (nFB1w)
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@177 I have no such illusions. President Trump will be a disaster surpassed only by the holocaust of President Hillary. It's merely relative. Trump is survivable, probably, Hillary not so much.
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As Thomas Sowell said (paraphrase), "A Trump win is like putting a Russian Roulette revolver to your head, and pulling the trigger. A Hillary win is like putting a loaded shotgun to your head, and doing the same."
Regardless of who wins, it's going to be bad. But one win might not be as bad as the other.
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As Thomas Sowell said (paraphrase), "A Trump win is like putting a Russian Roulette revolver to your head, and pulling the trigger. A Hillary win is like putting a loaded shotgun to your head, and doing the same."
Regardless of who wins, it's going to be bad. But one win might not be as bad as the other.
Posted by: junior at August 18, 2016 02:41 PM (mUM5y)
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Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (d2PUb)
Hector just punched in and is on the cock.
Hector just punched in and is on the cock.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 18, 2016 02:41 PM (ZnIt3)
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So HRC is the new LBJ? Will the Pacific or Ukraine be her Viet Nam? Will there be a draft? Single payer meds? Will she not run in 2020 as LBJ did not in 1968? Will there be a new hippie movement?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2016 02:41 PM (IqV8l)
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Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (d2PUb)
Read this troll in the voice of Catz from the All Your Base videogame.
Read this troll in the voice of Catz from the All Your Base videogame.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 18, 2016 02:41 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 02:41 PM (syAr3)
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What's going to suck if is Trump does lose and lose big, we are going to get fucked twice. Not only will Hillary be president, but Trump and his supporters are going to take the blame for it. From the GOPe--among whom Perino is a member in good standing--we're going to hear, "See? See what happened? WE told you what would happen if you went against us."
They will take none of the blame themselves and will continue to believe that Jeb! could have beaten Hillary.
They will take none of the blame themselves and will continue to believe that Jeb! could have beaten Hillary.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 18, 2016 02:42 PM (3P9Cm)
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With Hillary's horrible health issues, she's likely to not make it thru one term.
Posted by: Fritz at August 18, 2016 02:42 PM (2Mnv1)
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Gosh, Hector's here. Be still, my heart.
Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at August 18, 2016 02:42 PM (RD7QR)
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68 And now even Fox has gone Anti Trump... every time they have Carl Cameron on, its a negative story about Trump's horrible campaign and how its in disarray...
Because they hate Trump, or because Trump really was running a terrible campaign that was in disarray?
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:37 PM (O7MnT)
EVERY story is negative... even when covering a good speech... it suddenly turns into 'he actually used the teleprompter and wasn't his normal self'...
Very little about the actual speech... its suddenly about the campaign itself...
They are not covering the election... they are covering his campaign... which can be spun...
Once Ailes was out... the coverage on Fox shifted from some good, some bad, most neutral... to almost all bad.
Because they hate Trump, or because Trump really was running a terrible campaign that was in disarray?
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:37 PM (O7MnT)
EVERY story is negative... even when covering a good speech... it suddenly turns into 'he actually used the teleprompter and wasn't his normal self'...
Very little about the actual speech... its suddenly about the campaign itself...
They are not covering the election... they are covering his campaign... which can be spun...
Once Ailes was out... the coverage on Fox shifted from some good, some bad, most neutral... to almost all bad.
Posted by: Don Q.... at August 18, 2016 02:42 PM (qf6WZ)
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196 So HRC is the new LBJ? Will the Pacific or Ukraine be her Viet Nam? Will there be a draft? Single payer meds? Will she not run in 2020 as LBJ did not in 1968? Will there be a new hippie movement?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2016 02:41 PM (IqV8l)
As I said earlier, it is ironic that America as founded and its adherents are the new counter-culture and subversives.
Get used to it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2016 02:41 PM (IqV8l)
As I said earlier, it is ironic that America as founded and its adherents are the new counter-culture and subversives.
Get used to it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:42 PM (9P3OG)
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Ace, I am not a poll denier, but let me state why I have no doubt Trump is in great shape right now.
1. It's August for crying out loud. 80% of the voting public do not pay attention until after Labor Day or the first debate. Kinda like a majority of Superbowl watchers who never watched a game until the Super Bowl.
2. There have been huge swings in the past 2 months. From Hillary up 15 to Trump up 4 or 5, to Hillary up 15. These wild swings should tell you that this election can change in a heart beat.
3. There are a number of polls of late that have the race at four or less. Even the RCP average is around 5.
4. So after a brutal beating, missteps, & stupidity for several weeks Trump is down 5? We don't have people paying attention and not one debate, yet people are declaring it's over. Geez he hasn't even spent a dime on ads.
5. Finally some general election #'s. In 2012 I publicly stated that I did not believe Obama could get as many votes as he did in 2008. And he did not He got 65 million, was 5 million short of 2008 and still had a huge black voter turnout. Romney & McCain both were around 60 million. Logically speaking how do you think Hillary can even come close to 65 million. I'll be the house she does not. 70% in almost every poll think the country is on the wrong track. You really think most of those are going to go with Hillary? Yet Trump still has to get over 60 million and that is the question. I think he will, you probably do not think he can...but for crying out loud this race will be close. I truly believe he will overtake her in early October and never look back.
1. It's August for crying out loud. 80% of the voting public do not pay attention until after Labor Day or the first debate. Kinda like a majority of Superbowl watchers who never watched a game until the Super Bowl.
2. There have been huge swings in the past 2 months. From Hillary up 15 to Trump up 4 or 5, to Hillary up 15. These wild swings should tell you that this election can change in a heart beat.
3. There are a number of polls of late that have the race at four or less. Even the RCP average is around 5.
4. So after a brutal beating, missteps, & stupidity for several weeks Trump is down 5? We don't have people paying attention and not one debate, yet people are declaring it's over. Geez he hasn't even spent a dime on ads.
5. Finally some general election #'s. In 2012 I publicly stated that I did not believe Obama could get as many votes as he did in 2008. And he did not He got 65 million, was 5 million short of 2008 and still had a huge black voter turnout. Romney & McCain both were around 60 million. Logically speaking how do you think Hillary can even come close to 65 million. I'll be the house she does not. 70% in almost every poll think the country is on the wrong track. You really think most of those are going to go with Hillary? Yet Trump still has to get over 60 million and that is the question. I think he will, you probably do not think he can...but for crying out loud this race will be close. I truly believe he will overtake her in early October and never look back.
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Clock. I meant clock.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 18, 2016 02:42 PM (ZnIt3)
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Ace, you should take a look at the 2012 Real Clear Politics poll listing where Obama had big leads over Romney in September. Romney lost by 3% while RCP's final avg. showed Obama up nationally by less than 1 point. What did Dana I'm only on TV cuz I'm cute Perino say about that back then? Was Romney's chance "slim". I doubt it.
Posted by: Kyle Smith at August 18, 2016 02:42 PM (ETHQn)
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With Hillary's horrible health issues, she's likely to not make it thru one term.
Being a Christian Woman I can't comment on this as I would like...
Being a Christian Woman I can't comment on this as I would like...
Posted by: donna at August 18, 2016 02:43 PM (O2RFr)
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Alt Right are losers a
Who the hell are You?
Posted by: donna
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And does mommy know you are using her computer?
Who the hell are You?
Posted by: donna
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And does mommy know you are using her computer?
Posted by: Tilikum KAW- Skeet Surfing at August 18, 2016 02:43 PM (m3iiU)
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Don't worry. Jwest has a 4:00 pm appointment with Trump to tell him how he can get his poll numbers up.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 02:43 PM (cLMWw)
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@180 I could tell he wasn't going to vote for Cankles. In fact, all around the Bay Area, I see very little, if any, enthusiasm for her.
So, Calis in play??
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Doubtful. I live in a liberal community in LA County. In 2012, I noticed that I was seeing a lot fewer Obama bumper stickers before the election. After the election, though, the stickers suddenly started showing up all over the place.
So, Calis in play??
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Doubtful. I live in a liberal community in LA County. In 2012, I noticed that I was seeing a lot fewer Obama bumper stickers before the election. After the election, though, the stickers suddenly started showing up all over the place.
Posted by: junior at August 18, 2016 02:43 PM (mUM5y)
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In the battle to escape the public's negative opinion, Hillary is NOT winning.
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 02:35 PM (jBuUi)
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This is why I think she's taking a 96. She knows she annoys people. It's best to lie low.
In the battle to escape the public's negative opinion, Hillary is NOT winning.
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 02:35 PM (jBuUi)
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This is why I think she's taking a 96. She knows she annoys people. It's best to lie low.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 18, 2016 02:43 PM (5o5ek)
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I'm looking forward to Happy Fun Camp. I wonder if they'll have scuba diving. That would be awesome.
Braiding gimp into wristbands. You'll love it.
Braiding gimp into wristbands. You'll love it.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 02:43 PM (mgbwf)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 02:43 PM (evdj2)
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Then why the fuck didn't YOU PEOPLE get a better turn out for your guy and beat Trump??
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 02:21 PM (AmeQT)
Yep, I'm tired of the wailing about how terrible a candidate Trump is and how awful the voters are for foisting him on the party. You know what, the other guys stunk. They were "poll tested" bland, didn't fight, and offered nothing to the non-CoC types. Look at the dofus the neverTrumpers are running.
Oh and for those in blue states who complain about Trump, maybe you should show how great you are and work on turning your state red. Tired of people in blue loser states complaining about how bad the red states are at picking candidates when they can't freakin' win their own state.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 02:21 PM (AmeQT)
Yep, I'm tired of the wailing about how terrible a candidate Trump is and how awful the voters are for foisting him on the party. You know what, the other guys stunk. They were "poll tested" bland, didn't fight, and offered nothing to the non-CoC types. Look at the dofus the neverTrumpers are running.
Oh and for those in blue states who complain about Trump, maybe you should show how great you are and work on turning your state red. Tired of people in blue loser states complaining about how bad the red states are at picking candidates when they can't freakin' win their own state.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 18, 2016 02:44 PM (Ee2nz)
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Shouldn't the pessimism wait till after the debate? I mean what are tho odds of a Hillary software crash during the debate and her mouth stays in the open position.
Shouldn't the pessimism wait till after the debate? I mean what are tho odds of a Hillary software crash during the debate and her mouth stays in the open position.
Posted by: YIKES! at August 18, 2016 02:44 PM (2AT7V)
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>>Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (d2PUb)
Keep punching that Baby Dick, buddy.
Keep punching that Baby Dick, buddy.
Posted by: Ernie Asastas at August 18, 2016 02:44 PM (/hxGw)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 02:44 PM (6t8+a)
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Because one is about the candidate actually conducting himself like a fucking candidate, and the other is wishful thinking that "Something will happen". Maybe it will, but that's not a strategy.
Yeah and I'll call total bullshit on that.
It's about the totality of ones actions over time. It isn't some phrase the media has twirls red into carefully crafted propaganda.
The Hag has substantial character flaws and is a proven liar. She got my friends and countrymen killed in Libya with her politics. Ditto the bullshit she pulled in Iraq.
You think IS is marching across the Middle East just because of the president? Russia? Africa? Hello any of this reaching you.
The lady set up her own email sever to avoid FOIA requests and was using her position at state not just to enrich-herself, but to use their foundation as a money laundering op.
But you know Trump said something about the Mexican judge.
No I think there is a lot more about The Hag which needs to come to light. But we're too busy talking about the fact Trump is a mean man.
There is a long way before November. I don't give a shit how well The Hag plays chameleon and tries to dodge real substantive issues. She is a far worse and dangerous candidate than we've ever seen in a presidential race.
Because one is about the candidate actually conducting himself like a fucking candidate, and the other is wishful thinking that "Something will happen". Maybe it will, but that's not a strategy.
Yeah and I'll call total bullshit on that.
It's about the totality of ones actions over time. It isn't some phrase the media has twirls red into carefully crafted propaganda.
The Hag has substantial character flaws and is a proven liar. She got my friends and countrymen killed in Libya with her politics. Ditto the bullshit she pulled in Iraq.
You think IS is marching across the Middle East just because of the president? Russia? Africa? Hello any of this reaching you.
The lady set up her own email sever to avoid FOIA requests and was using her position at state not just to enrich-herself, but to use their foundation as a money laundering op.
But you know Trump said something about the Mexican judge.
No I think there is a lot more about The Hag which needs to come to light. But we're too busy talking about the fact Trump is a mean man.
There is a long way before November. I don't give a shit how well The Hag plays chameleon and tries to dodge real substantive issues. She is a far worse and dangerous candidate than we've ever seen in a presidential race.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2016 02:44 PM (Ug8ez)
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168 And now even Fox has gone Anti Trump... every time they have Carl Cameron on, its a negative story about Trump's horrible campaign and how its in disarray...
Because they hate Trump, or because Trump really was running a terrible campaign that was in disarray?
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:37 PM (O7MnT)
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Because Rupert Murdoch is pro Hillary. The dismissal of Roger Ailes was not about sexual harassment. It was Murdoch taking control of the content of Fox News.
Because they hate Trump, or because Trump really was running a terrible campaign that was in disarray?
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:37 PM (O7MnT)
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Because Rupert Murdoch is pro Hillary. The dismissal of Roger Ailes was not about sexual harassment. It was Murdoch taking control of the content of Fox News.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 18, 2016 02:44 PM (R+30W)
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At this point, I still think that Trump can win.
Most people I talk to have a preference at this point but it's not hard or fixed in stone.
The weird thing is that Trump preference has been basically driven underground by the MSM,
when someone tells me they're for Trump, I usually have to hear five minutes of roundabout caveats.
so, I've learned to simply tell them "I like Trump" when I hear that nonsense starting and then they smile and say "Yeah, I like Trump too."
That being said, I'm not sure that even if Trump actually wins, that he can beat the margin of fraud in Dim Blue States.
We'll see.
However, I've been having similar thoughts as Ace.
actually, I've been having them since W was Prez and the GOP had both houses and yet could never mount any effective conservative legislation-
it was always going to happen if they won the next election then never did.
But, where I live there is a social cost to being a conservative and a Republican-
if I'm willing to take the penalty and fight behind these assholes they should be willing to take the penalty too.
Yet, they never do.
Which makes me as fool and a sucker.
I do not like that feeling.
So, we'll see.
I don't know if I could go Dim without a nice scam in mind to make lots of money for me from your taxes
but we'll see.
Most people I talk to have a preference at this point but it's not hard or fixed in stone.
The weird thing is that Trump preference has been basically driven underground by the MSM,
when someone tells me they're for Trump, I usually have to hear five minutes of roundabout caveats.
so, I've learned to simply tell them "I like Trump" when I hear that nonsense starting and then they smile and say "Yeah, I like Trump too."
That being said, I'm not sure that even if Trump actually wins, that he can beat the margin of fraud in Dim Blue States.
We'll see.
However, I've been having similar thoughts as Ace.
actually, I've been having them since W was Prez and the GOP had both houses and yet could never mount any effective conservative legislation-
it was always going to happen if they won the next election then never did.
But, where I live there is a social cost to being a conservative and a Republican-
if I'm willing to take the penalty and fight behind these assholes they should be willing to take the penalty too.
Yet, they never do.
Which makes me as fool and a sucker.
I do not like that feeling.
So, we'll see.
I don't know if I could go Dim without a nice scam in mind to make lots of money for me from your taxes
but we'll see.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2016 02:44 PM (0cMkb)
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For those wondering why Fox is so anti-Trump it is simple if you have followed them since RR was President. They have always been an RNCe shill. They like the most left of center RINO in the race during the Primaries and since that is who normally wins the primary that is who they shill for.
The difference is this time their RINOs Rubio and the Hutt got slaughtered. Now Trump is no conservative no matter what he says, but at least he is consistent on opposing amnesty and bringing in muzzies from the ME.
The difference is this time their RINOs Rubio and the Hutt got slaughtered. Now Trump is no conservative no matter what he says, but at least he is consistent on opposing amnesty and bringing in muzzies from the ME.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 18, 2016 02:45 PM (mpXpK)
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there is not such thing as alt-right; its a boogeyman invented by the clinton machine and their dc clique subservients - a version of the "vast-right wing conspiracy"
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 02:45 PM (c6/9Q)
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Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (d2PUb)
Wait - how come you're not First Name Only?
I sense a disturbance in theFarts Force.
Wait - how come you're not First Name Only?
I sense a disturbance in the
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 02:45 PM (SRKgf)
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From the GOPe--among whom Perino is a member in good standing--we're going to hear, "See? See what happened? WE told you what would happen if you went against us."
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Which is why she is trying to drive down turnout. I don't have a crystal ball, but I can guarantee you that the turnout models from the last two elections don't match this one.
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Which is why she is trying to drive down turnout. I don't have a crystal ball, but I can guarantee you that the turnout models from the last two elections don't match this one.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 18, 2016 02:45 PM (7ZVPa)
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I, for one, have some faith that things might be headed in a better direction for Trump with the addition of Bannon. Beforehand, Trump was definitely starting to smell like a loser. I think Manafort was a bad hire. And his ties to the Russian thing may get him nice view of the back alley.
Trump can move the needle back, but he has to start now. Hence the relief that some changes were being made. Trump needs to be Trump. Stop pussyfooting around and start crushing Hillary. She's SUCH easy material.
Trump can move the needle back, but he has to start now. Hence the relief that some changes were being made. Trump needs to be Trump. Stop pussyfooting around and start crushing Hillary. She's SUCH easy material.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 18, 2016 02:45 PM (2PHKP)
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8 years Obama
4-8 years of Hillary
Too much institutional corruption for 20 years of GOP rule to get rid of.
Imagine Hillary with 3 SCOTUS picks and about 40 Fed Judge appointees, say nothing about IRS, EPA, OSHA, Fed Labor board, on and on.
Like herpes, it's the gift that keeps on giving.
4-8 years of Hillary
Too much institutional corruption for 20 years of GOP rule to get rid of.
Imagine Hillary with 3 SCOTUS picks and about 40 Fed Judge appointees, say nothing about IRS, EPA, OSHA, Fed Labor board, on and on.
Like herpes, it's the gift that keeps on giving.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 02:45 PM (AmeQT)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 02:46 PM (6t8+a)
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"164 Ace this is like your "19th Nervous Breakdown" and you really need a break from blogging. After Trump gets slaughtered in November maybe you ought to reflect about how you and other hard Right bloggers along with Fox News and the Talk Radio Mafia paved the way for the Tangerine Haired fraudster.
By the way North Carolina is a purple state that went for Obama in 2012,and Romney for all his faults did better than the Republican Party except in Massachusetts where Scott Brown even though he lost to Elizabeth Warren, got more votes thanhe did. Contemplate that! All the polls in the last week had Obama beating Romney but with about half the percentage that he beat McCain. Romney got around 61 million votes in 2012 and still lost, Trump wont get anywhere near as much.
The fact is that the type of alleged conservatism at this frat house and atother places such as Breitbart and Weasael Zippers is an anathema to the rest of the nation.
Posted by: Cool Hand Luke at August 18, 2016 02:36 PM (vcMIS)"
Good Grief...
I'm a sporadic poster, long time lurker from way back, but I feel the need to defend Ace here.
You want to put Breitbart and Savage in a category of in the tank for Trump, fine. Pretty much everyone else was fair to Trump, and that some how gets equated to "in the tank for Trump"
Everyone else was pretty damn even handed let the viewers/listeners make their own mind up. Even Levin was to a point, until the end, where he went I guess temporarily #nevertrump.
Ace was, like others you lump in this category a reliable critic of Trump at times, and at best highly skeptical of Trump but open on a few issues (usually when this happened, Trump did something dumb to push him back the other way).
get over yourself with this notion that anyone who was even open to the idea of Trump is some kind of treacherous enabler. The rest of the candidates utterly failed in a spectacular fashion. Trump for all his faults connected with people, and as a result he got more votes. Do you honestly think that if Breitbart.com or some other bloggers had been anti-Trump it would have made any difference at all?
We seem to have such little respect for voters, assuming they are all just robots that do what Fox News says. Except for us...the enlightened few that read right leaning blogs....we're so much smarter than those rubes that actually voted are't we?
By the way North Carolina is a purple state that went for Obama in 2012,and Romney for all his faults did better than the Republican Party except in Massachusetts where Scott Brown even though he lost to Elizabeth Warren, got more votes thanhe did. Contemplate that! All the polls in the last week had Obama beating Romney but with about half the percentage that he beat McCain. Romney got around 61 million votes in 2012 and still lost, Trump wont get anywhere near as much.
The fact is that the type of alleged conservatism at this frat house and atother places such as Breitbart and Weasael Zippers is an anathema to the rest of the nation.
Posted by: Cool Hand Luke at August 18, 2016 02:36 PM (vcMIS)"
Good Grief...
I'm a sporadic poster, long time lurker from way back, but I feel the need to defend Ace here.
You want to put Breitbart and Savage in a category of in the tank for Trump, fine. Pretty much everyone else was fair to Trump, and that some how gets equated to "in the tank for Trump"
Everyone else was pretty damn even handed let the viewers/listeners make their own mind up. Even Levin was to a point, until the end, where he went I guess temporarily #nevertrump.
Ace was, like others you lump in this category a reliable critic of Trump at times, and at best highly skeptical of Trump but open on a few issues (usually when this happened, Trump did something dumb to push him back the other way).
get over yourself with this notion that anyone who was even open to the idea of Trump is some kind of treacherous enabler. The rest of the candidates utterly failed in a spectacular fashion. Trump for all his faults connected with people, and as a result he got more votes. Do you honestly think that if Breitbart.com or some other bloggers had been anti-Trump it would have made any difference at all?
We seem to have such little respect for voters, assuming they are all just robots that do what Fox News says. Except for us...the enlightened few that read right leaning blogs....we're so much smarter than those rubes that actually voted are't we?
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at August 18, 2016 02:46 PM (Uy8SG)
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well, dana perino is an idiot.
she does not have any expertise in anything besides communications. she does not understand economics, defense, foreign affairs, or have any practical business experience. seh does not even understand the nuances of hand guns vs rifles, semi-automatic vs full automatic.
some of this stuff should have rubbed off on her simply by hanging out in the press room or the green room.
she is a mouthpiece. same set of expertise as contessa brewer though more well mannered.
she is essentially a cheerleader for team republican. no idea which team is on the field but she wants her team to win so YAY!
she would be more suited to running crisis communications for some cupcake boutique.
she does not have any expertise in anything besides communications. she does not understand economics, defense, foreign affairs, or have any practical business experience. seh does not even understand the nuances of hand guns vs rifles, semi-automatic vs full automatic.
some of this stuff should have rubbed off on her simply by hanging out in the press room or the green room.
she is a mouthpiece. same set of expertise as contessa brewer though more well mannered.
she is essentially a cheerleader for team republican. no idea which team is on the field but she wants her team to win so YAY!
she would be more suited to running crisis communications for some cupcake boutique.
Posted by: yankeefifth at August 18, 2016 02:46 PM (AoSQU)
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>>Ace doubled down on the angry white man politics. This website is one of the villians responsible for the current state of the Republican party.
Endor is filthy with Nazis. Illionois Nazis. The worst kind.
Endor is filthy with Nazis. Illionois Nazis. The worst kind.
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2016 02:46 PM (/hxGw)
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Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 02:44 PM (d2PUb)
Now they're commending each other.
Now they're commending each other.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 02:46 PM (SRKgf)
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You people are so used to losing you don't recognize a winner when you see one.
A Loser Is Not A Winner.
Trump doesn't enter a game to lose. He knows what he is doing and he's got 16 scalps to date.
One Yuge Bitch to go.
Strap yourself in. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
A Loser Is Not A Winner.
Trump doesn't enter a game to lose. He knows what he is doing and he's got 16 scalps to date.
One Yuge Bitch to go.
Strap yourself in. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 02:47 PM (syAr3)
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Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 18, 2016 02:45 PM (mpXpK)
He has been everything but consistent. He had originally advocated to allow in Syrian refugees. That said , his opponent Hillary and that is all that matters.
He has been everything but consistent. He had originally advocated to allow in Syrian refugees. That said , his opponent Hillary and that is all that matters.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 02:47 PM (cLMWw)
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Romney won NC in 2012.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 18, 2016 02:47 PM (2cS/G)
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Joe's Law: Trolls believe none of the things they post.
Joe's Corollary: Your disgust is their oxygen.
Joe's Conjecture: All trolls are Average Joe
Joe's Tautology: Average Joe sucks cock by choice.
Joe's Law: Trolls believe none of the things they post.
Joe's Corollary: Your disgust is their oxygen.
Joe's Conjecture: All trolls are Average Joe
Joe's Tautology: Average Joe sucks cock by choice.
Posted by: Grump928(c) reminds you at August 18, 2016 02:47 PM (evdj2)
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BTW it's not going to be Hillary anyway - it's going to be President Kaine. She's not looking too hot.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at August 18, 2016 02:48 PM (m40v5)
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The future of the GOP isn't "at risk" as Dana Perino puts it.
It's doomed if Trump loses. Over. Done. DEAD.
It should be mentioned that that state of affairs can largely be blamed on Perino's former boss. That's one reason why a lot of people resent her comments about the state of the race.
It's doomed if Trump loses. Over. Done. DEAD.
It should be mentioned that that state of affairs can largely be blamed on Perino's former boss. That's one reason why a lot of people resent her comments about the state of the race.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 18, 2016 02:48 PM (DDM7c)
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222 164
Well said and it is the truth. The echo chamber and embrace of the Alt Right ideology has been a disaster. After 2012 rather than adapt and reach new voters, people like Ace doubled down on the angry white man politics. This website is one of the villians responsible for the current state of the Republican party.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 02:44 PM (d2PUb)
"Reach new voters" - I take it you mean "need Amnesty now, yes!"
We'll make up for votes in bulk, promise!
Well said and it is the truth. The echo chamber and embrace of the Alt Right ideology has been a disaster. After 2012 rather than adapt and reach new voters, people like Ace doubled down on the angry white man politics. This website is one of the villians responsible for the current state of the Republican party.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 02:44 PM (d2PUb)
"Reach new voters" - I take it you mean "need Amnesty now, yes!"
We'll make up for votes in bulk, promise!
Posted by: Yeb! at August 18, 2016 02:48 PM (nGsFZ)
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222 164
Well said and it is the truth. The echo chamber and embrace of the Alt Right ideology has been a disaster. After 2012 rather than adapt and reach new voters, people like Ace doubled down on the angry white man politics. This website is one of the villians responsible for the current state of the Republican party.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers
224 there is not such thing as alt-right; its a boogeyman invented by the clinton machine and their dc clique subservients - a version of the "vast-right wing conspiracy"
Posted by: runner
I personally never even HEARD the term "alt right" until about six weeks ago.
It is definitely a fabrication of the Dem smear machine. Anyone using it in the name is 100% on the Media Matters payroll.
Well said and it is the truth. The echo chamber and embrace of the Alt Right ideology has been a disaster. After 2012 rather than adapt and reach new voters, people like Ace doubled down on the angry white man politics. This website is one of the villians responsible for the current state of the Republican party.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers
224 there is not such thing as alt-right; its a boogeyman invented by the clinton machine and their dc clique subservients - a version of the "vast-right wing conspiracy"
Posted by: runner
I personally never even HEARD the term "alt right" until about six weeks ago.
It is definitely a fabrication of the Dem smear machine. Anyone using it in the name is 100% on the Media Matters payroll.
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 02:48 PM (jBuUi)
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Which is why she is trying to drive down turnout. I don't have a crystal ball, but I can guarantee you that the turnout models from the last two elections don't match this one.
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Doesn't a low turnout election favor Trump? Seems like it would. And seems like this will absolutely be a low turnout election.
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Doesn't a low turnout election favor Trump? Seems like it would. And seems like this will absolutely be a low turnout election.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 02:48 PM (gmeXX)
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Strokes, terrorist attacks, SMOD, maybe even an alien invasion.
Posted by: rd at August 18, 2016 02:30 PM (7hRS/)
The last one is going on right now, aided and abetted by the Dems and the GOPe.
Posted by: rd at August 18, 2016 02:30 PM (7hRS/)
The last one is going on right now, aided and abetted by the Dems and the GOPe.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2016 02:48 PM (oqkO3)
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Once Ailes was out... the coverage on Fox shifted from some good, some bad, most neutral... to almost all bad.
Posted by: Don Q.... at August 18, 2016 02:42 PM (qf6WZ)
Yep. The Murdochs and Ailes have shifted the ground of their fight from within Fox News to now Fox News vs. the Trump campaign.
O'Reilly and Hannity and Dobbs are continuing to do their thing, but most of the other producers and reporters and 'news readers' and 'television presenters' (to use the useful British terms) are noticing how the wind is blowing and adjusting their sails accordingly.
Posted by: Don Q.... at August 18, 2016 02:42 PM (qf6WZ)
Yep. The Murdochs and Ailes have shifted the ground of their fight from within Fox News to now Fox News vs. the Trump campaign.
O'Reilly and Hannity and Dobbs are continuing to do their thing, but most of the other producers and reporters and 'news readers' and 'television presenters' (to use the useful British terms) are noticing how the wind is blowing and adjusting their sails accordingly.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 18, 2016 02:49 PM (PL2OL)
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I think Romney was hurt badly by superstorm sandy and then Christie embracing Obama. I think things might have been different had the storm not happened.
trump could hope for some event in the last week that gives him a similar boost.
trump could hope for some event in the last week that gives him a similar boost.
Posted by: keyser at August 18, 2016 02:49 PM (7vtGh)
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I smell salt.
Salt water.
AmIRite?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 02:46 PM (6t8+a)
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Heheh. Yep.
I smell salt.
Salt water.
AmIRite?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 02:46 PM (6t8+a)
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Heheh. Yep.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 18, 2016 02:49 PM (5o5ek)
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191, exactly. Hillary is NOWHERE to be found. By not showing her, people can keep the older image of Hillary in their heads, the one who was--I cant believe I'm saying this--who was almost "cute" when she and Bill appeared in that famous 60 Minutes interview in '92. Or they can pretend she's still SoS or a senator doing the "business of the American People."
She is old and sick and treacherous and that's why they never show her.
She's probably doing less active campaigning than any candidate running for president since FDR--literally at death's door--in 1944.
She is old and sick and treacherous and that's why they never show her.
She's probably doing less active campaigning than any candidate running for president since FDR--literally at death's door--in 1944.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 18, 2016 02:50 PM (3P9Cm)
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Apropos of the Taqqiya stuff - in work gatherings, I have to pretend to be a good old lefty democrat or get fired (for real, I'm in entertainment). So what I do is tweak them - when one says we need to raise taxes for schools I say we need to impose a wealth tax and take savings (and that shuts them up good), etc.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at August 18, 2016 02:50 PM (m40v5)
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Trump can move the needle back, but he has to start now. Hence the relief that some changes were being made. Trump needs to be Trump. Stop pussyfooting around and start crushing Hillary. She's SUCH easy material.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 18, 2016 02:45 PM (2PHKP)
This.
She's also emotionally brittle, and I suspect in danger of coming unglued (at a debate, for example). There's a reason why she keeps reporters away from her, behind a rope line, and refuses to do news conferences. A couple of edged questions, and it could be on. Oh yes.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 18, 2016 02:45 PM (2PHKP)
This.
She's also emotionally brittle, and I suspect in danger of coming unglued (at a debate, for example). There's a reason why she keeps reporters away from her, behind a rope line, and refuses to do news conferences. A couple of edged questions, and it could be on. Oh yes.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 02:50 PM (SRKgf)
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>No one with an investment in politics thinks this way, so we cannot really comprehend the mindset of people so easily blown hither and then thither by the last thing they heard someone say.
I don't think it's the last thing they heard, ace. It's the intangibles. Who feels 'warm'. Who do I want to have a drink with. Who doesn't seem like a moron, or a monster.
A good bit of that is driven by the media and the rest by the candidate.
I don't think it's the last thing they heard, ace. It's the intangibles. Who feels 'warm'. Who do I want to have a drink with. Who doesn't seem like a moron, or a monster.
A good bit of that is driven by the media and the rest by the candidate.
Posted by: Lea at August 18, 2016 02:50 PM (lIU4e)
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Not enough racist working class whites to win.
Educated whites are fleeing the Republican party. Minorities and young
voters hate Trump.
That is reality.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 02:48 PM (d2PUb)
that's interesting. are men really from mars and women from venus ?
Educated whites are fleeing the Republican party. Minorities and young
voters hate Trump.
That is reality.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 02:48 PM (d2PUb)
that's interesting. are men really from mars and women from venus ?
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 02:50 PM (c6/9Q)
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Please clap.
Posted by: Dana! at August 18, 2016 02:50 PM (IqV8l)
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This thing about "Trump beat out all the other Republicans so f--k off" is pure spin.
Trump won a plurality in a divided Republican field with the hot wind of the MFM at his back (because they knew he was the weakest against Hillary) and we're supposed to think he's some kind of champion? Not to mention, Jeb spending $100M to attack... Rubio (WTF?) and Kasich deliberately sticking around as a spoiler.
Trump became the GOP nominee because the media wanted Hillary's weakest opponent, and the GOP were arrogant bumbling incompetents.
Trump won a plurality in a divided Republican field with the hot wind of the MFM at his back (because they knew he was the weakest against Hillary) and we're supposed to think he's some kind of champion? Not to mention, Jeb spending $100M to attack... Rubio (WTF?) and Kasich deliberately sticking around as a spoiler.
Trump became the GOP nominee because the media wanted Hillary's weakest opponent, and the GOP were arrogant bumbling incompetents.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:50 PM (O7MnT)
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Gawddamit, you guys.
We are NOT the GOP. We are free men and women, even if the majority of the people of what used to be this country are willing to pay the taqqiya. The path we stand on today are people who pledged to only another their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honors, in the name of freedom. Do we stand with them, or do we surrender, and accept our fate like conquered slaves?
We have heroes -- heroes who say things like "Never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon" and "I may have been on the losing side; still not convinced I was on the wrong side."
We're not people who accept shackles in return for being left alone. We're not people who can deny out core beliefs and our basic inner natures.
I've been one of the Trump-ain't-worthy voices around here, and I still don't like him, not one damn bit. And I don't trust him. But I swear, in the name of all that's holy, that if we've exhausted every other choice and every other option, and the only way to save what's left of this country from the Dowager Empress of Chautauqua is to walk into a voting booth and pull the handle for Trump, then I will, and then win or lose, gawdammit, I will never stop being vocal.
And inside, you know you're the same. It's not in you to cave in. It's not in you to surrender. I'm not calling on you to take up arms and revolt -- what you do in that regard is your choice alone. But you have to fight. You have to resist. You have to hold on hard to what you believe in and not compromise.
Gawdammit, we're Morons. We're have a tradition to live up to. Or down to, I don't know. We can figure that out later. People before us have been through a long train of abuses and usurpations, and so will people after us.
Stand!
We are NOT the GOP. We are free men and women, even if the majority of the people of what used to be this country are willing to pay the taqqiya. The path we stand on today are people who pledged to only another their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honors, in the name of freedom. Do we stand with them, or do we surrender, and accept our fate like conquered slaves?
We have heroes -- heroes who say things like "Never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon" and "I may have been on the losing side; still not convinced I was on the wrong side."
We're not people who accept shackles in return for being left alone. We're not people who can deny out core beliefs and our basic inner natures.
I've been one of the Trump-ain't-worthy voices around here, and I still don't like him, not one damn bit. And I don't trust him. But I swear, in the name of all that's holy, that if we've exhausted every other choice and every other option, and the only way to save what's left of this country from the Dowager Empress of Chautauqua is to walk into a voting booth and pull the handle for Trump, then I will, and then win or lose, gawdammit, I will never stop being vocal.
And inside, you know you're the same. It's not in you to cave in. It's not in you to surrender. I'm not calling on you to take up arms and revolt -- what you do in that regard is your choice alone. But you have to fight. You have to resist. You have to hold on hard to what you believe in and not compromise.
Gawdammit, we're Morons. We're have a tradition to live up to. Or down to, I don't know. We can figure that out later. People before us have been through a long train of abuses and usurpations, and so will people after us.
Stand!
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 18, 2016 02:51 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 18, 2016 02:51 PM (4+VII)
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>>Not enough racist working class whites to win.
True.
They are mostly unemployed and not looking for jobs in this awesome economy.
True.
They are mostly unemployed and not looking for jobs in this awesome economy.
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2016 02:51 PM (/hxGw)
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I hear what you are saying about the last 5 of 6 elections. The one ray of hope seems to be that they are only able to have that success for presidential elections (not in any way a small thing).
It's our national level politicians that are really practiced at getting their teeth kicked in.
Liberal power seems to be at it's greatest when the national media can put their thumbs on the scale in the one national election there is.
Conservatives, and non-progressives can still clean their clock on a semi-regular basis the more local the election gets.
It's our national level politicians that are really practiced at getting their teeth kicked in.
Liberal power seems to be at it's greatest when the national media can put their thumbs on the scale in the one national election there is.
Conservatives, and non-progressives can still clean their clock on a semi-regular basis the more local the election gets.
Posted by: Jamie at August 18, 2016 02:51 PM (AORpF)
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I assume that the pundits, talkers, and other "opinion makers" of the GOP still think we're in an honest system that works.
It works for them I guess since they're still getting paid even as a Potemkin Village of "balance", but they're still Ruling Class or Ruling Class aspirants.
They can keep fooling themselves if they want and some folks who just HAVE to believe because hope is all they've got left.
If the Shapiros, Loesches, Howes, Wilsons, Goldbergs et al still think there's some sort of silver lining to a Hillary presidency, they're engaging in the delusional Sioux practice of Ghost Dancing
The America many conservatives don't want to give up on gave up on them years ago. They're now viewed as hostile enemy aliens in their own country. As for any "greatness" that we still talk of, the machine broke long ago and is still only moving forward from momentum the same as a truck that doesn't stop immediately when the engine dies. What's still operating is held together with duct tape and bondo covered up by a few coats of glossy paint to fool the observer.
We're falling apart in the same manner as the British Empire which thought itself rich enough to endure socialism and social engineering.
Some conservatives believe that a Hillary reign would be so bad that America would come running to them to save them. No, people hate admitting mistakes no matter how obvious the evidence. My prediction is that she turns into LBJ with a Vajay, and I don't remember anyone wishing Goldwater would run again no matter how many people hated LBJ by 1968.
It works for them I guess since they're still getting paid even as a Potemkin Village of "balance", but they're still Ruling Class or Ruling Class aspirants.
They can keep fooling themselves if they want and some folks who just HAVE to believe because hope is all they've got left.
If the Shapiros, Loesches, Howes, Wilsons, Goldbergs et al still think there's some sort of silver lining to a Hillary presidency, they're engaging in the delusional Sioux practice of Ghost Dancing
The America many conservatives don't want to give up on gave up on them years ago. They're now viewed as hostile enemy aliens in their own country. As for any "greatness" that we still talk of, the machine broke long ago and is still only moving forward from momentum the same as a truck that doesn't stop immediately when the engine dies. What's still operating is held together with duct tape and bondo covered up by a few coats of glossy paint to fool the observer.
We're falling apart in the same manner as the British Empire which thought itself rich enough to endure socialism and social engineering.
Some conservatives believe that a Hillary reign would be so bad that America would come running to them to save them. No, people hate admitting mistakes no matter how obvious the evidence. My prediction is that she turns into LBJ with a Vajay, and I don't remember anyone wishing Goldwater would run again no matter how many people hated LBJ by 1968.
Posted by: kbdabear at August 18, 2016 02:51 PM (GrXXa)
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"Reach new voters" - I take it you mean "need Amnesty now, yes!"
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Amnesty, #BLM, and slavery reparations. That's the winning ticket!
"Reach new voters" - I take it you mean "need Amnesty now, yes!"
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Amnesty, #BLM, and slavery reparations. That's the winning ticket!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 18, 2016 02:51 PM (Nwg0u)
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The future of the GOP isn't "at risk" as Dana Perino puts it.
It's doomed if Trump loses. Over. Done. DEAD.
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Doubtful. The party is doing great and will survive a Trump win or loss. Things that have been around for 150 years generally do not die - especially when they face little competition. And usually not when they are actually doing quite well.
It's doomed if Trump loses. Over. Done. DEAD.
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Doubtful. The party is doing great and will survive a Trump win or loss. Things that have been around for 150 years generally do not die - especially when they face little competition. And usually not when they are actually doing quite well.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 02:51 PM (gmeXX)
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@243 Nope, it's a thing.
Internet "conservative" hero Milo wrote about it in March. He claims it arose in 2015.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/
Internet "conservative" hero Milo wrote about it in March. He claims it arose in 2015.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at August 18, 2016 02:51 PM (t5zYU)
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"Not enough racist working class whites to win. Educated whites are fleeing the Republican party. Minorities and young voters hate Trump.
That is reality."
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Paid Hillarybot.
That is reality."
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Paid Hillarybot.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 02:52 PM (syAr3)
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well, dana perino is an idiot.
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I'll go back to watching her if Trump wins. It'll be hilarious to see her carry on for four years saying all is lost.
well, dana perino is an idiot.
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I'll go back to watching her if Trump wins. It'll be hilarious to see her carry on for four years saying all is lost.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 18, 2016 02:52 PM (5o5ek)
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Not buying it. Polls are a hot mess designed to manipulate you emotionally via your herd instinct.
This election will be won or lost in the debates. Just like both Juan and Romney (and Ryan for that matter) threw it away. Trump has to absolutely annihilate her and any hostile 'moderator'. And he's the only R with the skill and wherewithal to do it.
I was a Cruz guy. He faceplanted. Trump can do this.
This election will be won or lost in the debates. Just like both Juan and Romney (and Ryan for that matter) threw it away. Trump has to absolutely annihilate her and any hostile 'moderator'. And he's the only R with the skill and wherewithal to do it.
I was a Cruz guy. He faceplanted. Trump can do this.
Posted by: Esch at August 18, 2016 02:52 PM (4d8pX)
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Guess I'm more comfortable as an outcast. At least the jails full of Dem political prisoners will have A/C.
Posted by: Filrabbit at August 18, 2016 02:52 PM (xjtvm)
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250 Apropos of the Taqqiya stuff - in work gatherings, I have to pretend to be a good old lefty democrat or get fired (for real, I'm in entertainment). So what I do is tweak them - when one says we need to raise taxes for schools I say we need to impose a wealth tax and take savings (and that shuts them up good), etc.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at August 18, 2016 02:50 PM (m40v5)
I've done that, too. Somebody says something pretty lefty, and I agree, and then double down with something even further left, so far left that even the lefty balks. ("Whoa, Bucky, that's going TOO far.")
Great fun.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at August 18, 2016 02:50 PM (m40v5)
I've done that, too. Somebody says something pretty lefty, and I agree, and then double down with something even further left, so far left that even the lefty balks. ("Whoa, Bucky, that's going TOO far.")
Great fun.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 02:52 PM (SRKgf)
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236 He has been everything but consistent. He had
originally advocated to allow in Syrian refugees. That said , his
opponent Hillary and that is all that matters.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 02:47 PM (cLMWw)
In case you haven't noticed I post 20 to 25 links for stuff every morning and have been doing it for years. I spend about 3 hours every morning going through a multitude of news sites and aggragators to assemble those links.
I have seen NOTHING from Trump that showed he was in favor of amnesty or letting in the fake Syrian Refugees.
If you have something post a link.
originally advocated to allow in Syrian refugees. That said , his
opponent Hillary and that is all that matters.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 02:47 PM (cLMWw)
In case you haven't noticed I post 20 to 25 links for stuff every morning and have been doing it for years. I spend about 3 hours every morning going through a multitude of news sites and aggragators to assemble those links.
I have seen NOTHING from Trump that showed he was in favor of amnesty or letting in the fake Syrian Refugees.
If you have something post a link.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 18, 2016 02:53 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Grump928(c) reminds you at August 18, 2016 02:53 PM (evdj2)
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Trump definitely has a non-zero chance of winning.
But let's not pretend any other GOP candidate would be doing better. Yes, she's a flawed candidate, but I think Trump's 20 point estimate on the media is about right - heck, that's about what the media thinks they are worth.
The GOP folks who want Hillary to win, well, they deserve whatever comes to them.
If you want to write for Hollywood, though, you should publicly be for sucking dicks and killing babies.
But let's not pretend any other GOP candidate would be doing better. Yes, she's a flawed candidate, but I think Trump's 20 point estimate on the media is about right - heck, that's about what the media thinks they are worth.
The GOP folks who want Hillary to win, well, they deserve whatever comes to them.
If you want to write for Hollywood, though, you should publicly be for sucking dicks and killing babies.
Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2016 02:53 PM (tewYv)
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I thought it was over last week -- that Trump was done. He's been much better this week, talking about actual policy and actually going after Democrats with ideological arguments. And I think his hiring of Bannon signals that Trump is going scorched earth -- which is being ridiculed as suicidal, but I think it's quite the opposite. Rs have to draw distinctions to win.
This interview with Pat Caddell, before Bannon took over messaging for Trump, spells out I think exactly where the campaign is going to go, and I think it's a winner for Trump if he doesn't fuck it up.
http://goo.gl/JRNFPc
I'd encourage everyone to click to listen to it.
This interview with Pat Caddell, before Bannon took over messaging for Trump, spells out I think exactly where the campaign is going to go, and I think it's a winner for Trump if he doesn't fuck it up.
http://goo.gl/JRNFPc
I'd encourage everyone to click to listen to it.
Posted by: Maxwell at August 18, 2016 02:53 PM (n6tqt)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 02:53 PM (cLMWw)
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Trump became the GOP nominee because the media wanted Hillary's weakest opponent, and the GOP were arrogant bumbling incompetents.
Trump became the nominee because the others sucked balls.
End. Of. Story.
Trump became the nominee because the others sucked balls.
End. Of. Story.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 02:54 PM (AmeQT)
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Hasn't Ace said this a billion times?
"I'll support the Democrats after this!"
Never quite sticks. Right now he's demanding that everyone get on their hands and knees and support Trump, the worst possible Republican nominee that ever could have been. What makes you think he won't vote Republican in 2020?
"I'll support the Democrats after this!"
Never quite sticks. Right now he's demanding that everyone get on their hands and knees and support Trump, the worst possible Republican nominee that ever could have been. What makes you think he won't vote Republican in 2020?
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 02:54 PM (BXcJU)
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Romney lost Pennsylvania by 1/2 of 1 percent. Less than 300, 000 votes against 'historic' Incumbent.
Hillary WILL NOT DRIVE voters to the polls here in Pennsylvania. All Trump has to do is match Romney's numbers. He's gonna pick up some democrats, and some blacks.
If Pennsylvania is in play, 270 is well within reach.
Hillary WILL NOT DRIVE voters to the polls here in Pennsylvania. All Trump has to do is match Romney's numbers. He's gonna pick up some democrats, and some blacks.
If Pennsylvania is in play, 270 is well within reach.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 18, 2016 02:54 PM (ZnIt3)
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Posted by: Duke at August 18, 2016 02:17 PM (EQNFN)
When Trump speechifies, as he did in Milwaukee, NYC and Youngstown, he's brilliant. But then somehow he or his surrogates shoot themselves in the foot the next day so the message is lost. Of course, the MFM does not help the situation nor the idiots in formerly our own party.
Prediction. Trump by the very narrowest of margins.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:20 PM (9P3OG)
I'm ok with that JJ, just don't want to get emotionally invested. My hope is that it breaks strongly one way or the other - he eeks it out, or his numbers drop so far that he doesn't want to be known as the "all time loser."
When Trump speechifies, as he did in Milwaukee, NYC and Youngstown, he's brilliant. But then somehow he or his surrogates shoot themselves in the foot the next day so the message is lost. Of course, the MFM does not help the situation nor the idiots in formerly our own party.
Prediction. Trump by the very narrowest of margins.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 02:20 PM (9P3OG)
I'm ok with that JJ, just don't want to get emotionally invested. My hope is that it breaks strongly one way or the other - he eeks it out, or his numbers drop so far that he doesn't want to be known as the "all time loser."
Posted by: Duke at August 18, 2016 02:54 PM (EQNFN)
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Some conservatives believe that a Hillary reign would be so bad that America would come running to them to save them. No, people hate admitting mistakes no matter how obvious the evidence. My prediction is that she turns into LBJ with a Vajay, and I don't remember anyone wishing Goldwater would run again no matter how many people hated LBJ by 1968.
Posted by: kbdabear at August 18, 2016 02:51 PM
Who will be the new Nixon?
Some conservatives believe that a Hillary reign would be so bad that America would come running to them to save them. No, people hate admitting mistakes no matter how obvious the evidence. My prediction is that she turns into LBJ with a Vajay, and I don't remember anyone wishing Goldwater would run again no matter how many people hated LBJ by 1968.
Posted by: kbdabear at August 18, 2016 02:51 PM
Who will be the new Nixon?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2016 02:54 PM (IqV8l)
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Dana Perino is still very sexy.
I would hit it. Not furiously or sloppily, but slow and firm.
I would hit it. Not furiously or sloppily, but slow and firm.
Posted by: wooga at August 18, 2016 02:54 PM (G0kET)
Posted by: SkimLayerofHumility at August 18, 2016 02:54 PM (/hxGw)
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I think Romney was hurt badly by superstorm sandy and then Christie embracing Obama. I think things might have been different had the storm not happened.
Also, the clusterfuck that was ORCA.
Not to mention, the GOP can't seem to quite get its head around that early voting favors Democrats. They focus all their GOTV on election day and neglect early voting.
Also, the clusterfuck that was ORCA.
Not to mention, the GOP can't seem to quite get its head around that early voting favors Democrats. They focus all their GOTV on election day and neglect early voting.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:55 PM (O7MnT)
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I heard that Dana Perino sleeps with dogs. I'm not sure if it's true, that's just what people say.
Posted by: John Barron at August 18, 2016 02:55 PM (1H9ox)
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I wonder what Zombie looks like reading this post?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2016 02:55 PM (4ErVI)
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+1 Ace.
+1
I can't help but wonder WTF is going through Trump's mind.
I've entertained some conspiracy theories on this in the recent past, including HRC hiring Trump to decimate her political foes, and then throw the election. Tin foil hat of course. But, I swear, it looks like the guy is trying to scuttle his own campaign.
Right now I am calling myself independent, and hoping/praying for the big Johnson to become viable in the next 80 days or so. Not gonna happen, so I might just vote for non-president stuff. We'll see.
But you are absolutely right about the GOP. Trump happens when you don't listen to the masses. Then a Trump happens and they try to sabotage him.
I can't in good conscious vote for a party like this, that assumes that all power/decisions should be in the hands of the unelected donors, or as you put it, corporate class.
Yeah, Trump sucks. I still think Clinton is worse.
But I am disgusted by both. And embarrassed that we got here.
+1
I can't help but wonder WTF is going through Trump's mind.
I've entertained some conspiracy theories on this in the recent past, including HRC hiring Trump to decimate her political foes, and then throw the election. Tin foil hat of course. But, I swear, it looks like the guy is trying to scuttle his own campaign.
Right now I am calling myself independent, and hoping/praying for the big Johnson to become viable in the next 80 days or so. Not gonna happen, so I might just vote for non-president stuff. We'll see.
But you are absolutely right about the GOP. Trump happens when you don't listen to the masses. Then a Trump happens and they try to sabotage him.
I can't in good conscious vote for a party like this, that assumes that all power/decisions should be in the hands of the unelected donors, or as you put it, corporate class.
Yeah, Trump sucks. I still think Clinton is worse.
But I am disgusted by both. And embarrassed that we got here.
Posted by: Vladimir Putin at August 18, 2016 02:55 PM (AnDVn)
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Trump could win if he'd only adopt the Romney/McCain strategy and policies.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 18, 2016 02:55 PM (Nwg0u)
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It's sad that a voice of reason such as yours Ace has decided to give up being a voice of reason and will now support gun control and other dem issues.
http://www.ace.mu.nu/ has been my home page for years and I do read the posts. I'm no GOP fanboy as the leaders are poison.
There is a future. For 12 years I've battled cancer. If I had given up as you are because the odds are against you would my son be a political science major with a 3.66 GPA at U of F?
At times we have to show strength for others. Our actions influence others whether we want them to or not. I hope you continue to stay with issues that concern us regardless of the stupidity the GOP.
http://www.ace.mu.nu/ has been my home page for years and I do read the posts. I'm no GOP fanboy as the leaders are poison.
There is a future. For 12 years I've battled cancer. If I had given up as you are because the odds are against you would my son be a political science major with a 3.66 GPA at U of F?
At times we have to show strength for others. Our actions influence others whether we want them to or not. I hope you continue to stay with issues that concern us regardless of the stupidity the GOP.
Posted by: Thomas Swartz at August 18, 2016 02:55 PM (lzIv9)
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Jesus,
You have never been in Trumps camp and quoting Dana Perino, a true Bush fanatic as proof of anything, especially polls?
Trump 2016...
get a life..
You have never been in Trumps camp and quoting Dana Perino, a true Bush fanatic as proof of anything, especially polls?
Trump 2016...
get a life..
Posted by: sandy at August 18, 2016 02:56 PM (7sdJj)
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Stand!
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 18, 2016 02:51 PM (iIzG7)
I'm with ya, pal. Winners never quit. Quitters never win.
And those jokes we make about Happy Fun Camp? We're whistling past the graveyard on that one because we know whenever and whereverthe Left takespower there are alwaysHappy Fun Camps eventually.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 18, 2016 02:51 PM (iIzG7)
I'm with ya, pal. Winners never quit. Quitters never win.
And those jokes we make about Happy Fun Camp? We're whistling past the graveyard on that one because we know whenever and whereverthe Left takespower there are alwaysHappy Fun Camps eventually.
Posted by: troyriser at August 18, 2016 02:56 PM (OGbEB)
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so, I've learned to simply tell them "I like Trump" when I hear that nonsense starting and then they smile and say "Yeah, I like Trump too."
This is my experience as well. And from die-hard Democrats, too.
This is my experience as well. And from die-hard Democrats, too.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at August 18, 2016 02:56 PM (rvzMR)
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I will never be a Democrat. I will practice a form of taqqiya and praise whoever the Fuhrer happens to be. But secretly I will be reciting the E Pleb Neesta, waiting for the right time.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton"
And I'll be right there with ya, JJS
I will never be a Democrat. I will practice a form of taqqiya and praise whoever the Fuhrer happens to be. But secretly I will be reciting the E Pleb Neesta, waiting for the right time.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton"
And I'll be right there with ya, JJS
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 18, 2016 02:56 PM (gUoN4)
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at August 18, 2016 02:56 PM (1H9ox)
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I don't want to go as far as saying the polls are "rigged," but I do have to wonder how the hell anyone can forecast this year's turnout model. You have two fairly unpopular candidates, after all, and the models from the last two general elections are distorted.
In my heart of hearts I'm seeing a tossup here, not a blowout.
In my heart of hearts I'm seeing a tossup here, not a blowout.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 18, 2016 02:56 PM (eytER)
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I was never fully on board with the GOP. I never registered as a Republican.
I think Ace's idea of working for the Democrats would be great if a whole lot of people did it. Give the party a new conservative wing, pull it back towards the center.
Maybe. I dunno. SMOD still seems like better option.
I think Ace's idea of working for the Democrats would be great if a whole lot of people did it. Give the party a new conservative wing, pull it back towards the center.
Maybe. I dunno. SMOD still seems like better option.
Posted by: Farmer Joe, job hunting at August 18, 2016 02:57 PM (F2rZx)
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It's funny - in a 'that guy just walked into a telephone pole while playing Pokemon Go and broke his face' kind of funny- that there are people so invested in Trump who are at once lauding him as an outsider and then comparing 2016 polls to 2012 polls.
Either the billionaire from Manhattan is an outsider and thus there can be no comparison to the consummate insider Romney, or Trump really isn't an outsider and we can expect him to lose by 3 points. Either way, not good for the GOP.
Or maybe it is. Ace has been off the rails in support of Trump lately -or at least angry enough that his anti-Hillary has become de facto pro-Trump- but he's right when he says the GOP doesn't want to win. Policies on the right are too hard to implement without starting the country over in two very important locations: public schools and the media. If we can't get control over the curriculum and we continue to allow the media to abdicate its responsibility as the third rail, then there is no hope of convincing young Americans that Ellen photoshopped over Usain Bolt is actually marginally funny, and not racist. And if we can't convince young Americans that the queen of celebrity lesbianism isn't a closeted racist, than it's not likely we'll be able to convince them that they are, in fact, either a boy or a girl based almost entirely on they're proficiency in the use of urinals. And if we can't limit the genders to two, we'll never convince young Americans that hard work and self-reliance are the paths to prosperity.
The problem isn't entirely with the GOP as a concept, it's with the GOP leadership that fails in every instance, to lead. They live in fear, always. The party in fear, never wins.
Either the billionaire from Manhattan is an outsider and thus there can be no comparison to the consummate insider Romney, or Trump really isn't an outsider and we can expect him to lose by 3 points. Either way, not good for the GOP.
Or maybe it is. Ace has been off the rails in support of Trump lately -or at least angry enough that his anti-Hillary has become de facto pro-Trump- but he's right when he says the GOP doesn't want to win. Policies on the right are too hard to implement without starting the country over in two very important locations: public schools and the media. If we can't get control over the curriculum and we continue to allow the media to abdicate its responsibility as the third rail, then there is no hope of convincing young Americans that Ellen photoshopped over Usain Bolt is actually marginally funny, and not racist. And if we can't convince young Americans that the queen of celebrity lesbianism isn't a closeted racist, than it's not likely we'll be able to convince them that they are, in fact, either a boy or a girl based almost entirely on they're proficiency in the use of urinals. And if we can't limit the genders to two, we'll never convince young Americans that hard work and self-reliance are the paths to prosperity.
The problem isn't entirely with the GOP as a concept, it's with the GOP leadership that fails in every instance, to lead. They live in fear, always. The party in fear, never wins.
Posted by: bkeyser at August 18, 2016 02:57 PM (l4B3N)
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All of us knew or should have known that the left and the DC establishment elite were going to pull out all the stops to keep any "outsider" from winning. We saw it in the primaries and it is becoming glaringly apparent now. And it's going to get worse. Gird your loins.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2016 02:57 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2016 02:57 PM (4ErVI)
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The Republican party is doing great and will survive a Trump win or loss. Things that have been around for 150 years generally do not die - especially when they face little competition. And usually not when they are actually doing quite well.
I feel like there is a /sarc tag missing here.
I feel like there is a /sarc tag missing here.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:57 PM (O7MnT)
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You can apologize later.
After we all get done reading and giggling.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 02:37 PM (6t8+a)
I'll send you a rough draft before I post
After we all get done reading and giggling.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 02:37 PM (6t8+a)
I'll send you a rough draft before I post
Posted by: spypeach at August 18, 2016 02:57 PM (nyYhO)
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Dana Perino is still very sexy.
I would hit it. Not furiously or sloppily, but slow and firm.
See? I knew I'd find something in this thread to agree with.
I would hit it. Not furiously or sloppily, but slow and firm.
See? I knew I'd find something in this thread to agree with.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 02:57 PM (mgbwf)
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Not going to surrender my country to its inevitable destruction by Clinton and the progressive leftists. Trump is the army we have, so Trump's is the army I will fight with.
Posted by: gracepc at August 18, 2016 02:57 PM (OU4q6)
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Pretty much how I feel Ace.
I guess it does gnaw at me that someone like a Rubio probably could have beat Hillary and warts and all wit his tribe, a change of Party at the White House would do quite a bit of good.
But if the modern GOP has basically agreed on one thing and fought with vigor, its that Trump is a terrible racist that needs to lose.
At some point, I'm just going to check out. I'm not dutifully falling in line when Paul Ryan is in complete control of the GOP.
I guess it does gnaw at me that someone like a Rubio probably could have beat Hillary and warts and all wit his tribe, a change of Party at the White House would do quite a bit of good.
But if the modern GOP has basically agreed on one thing and fought with vigor, its that Trump is a terrible racist that needs to lose.
At some point, I'm just going to check out. I'm not dutifully falling in line when Paul Ryan is in complete control of the GOP.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 02:57 PM (qX02u)
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And those jokes we make about Happy Fun Camp? We're whistling past the graveyard on that one because we know whenever and whereverthe Left takespower there are alwaysHappy Fun Camps eventually.
I'll never make it to a camp. But I swear I won't be going to hell alone.
I'll never make it to a camp. But I swear I won't be going to hell alone.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 02:58 PM (AmeQT)
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Here's is one thing I don't understand (or, I do sort of understand, but can't get over the utter stupidity of it):
People keep looking for a Savior. The Tea Party did it. The Trump people did it. The Democrats do it all the time...
Everyone keeps voting with the general mindset (the details vary but don't matter since they are just mindless justification of the core intent) This person is going to show them! This person will fix everything!. The exception to the rule is "That person is horrible".
This is fucking stupid. No one is going to save you. No one is going to fix things to make it all fair and right all the wrong you perceive have been done to you.
For fuck sake, POTUS is a VERY narrow job (and it damn well should be). The job is very straightforward: head diplomat, a check/ balance on the other branches, Commander in Chief. All these things are very narrow, very limited responsibilities that are contingent on the other branches who are noting more than representatives of the people and the states. Period. No part of the POTUS job description is "fix things", "make things fair", "punish people" or "reward people".
You know who IS responsible for all that shit? YOU ARE.
Stop voting for Saviors and take responsibility for your own life.
People keep looking for a Savior. The Tea Party did it. The Trump people did it. The Democrats do it all the time...
Everyone keeps voting with the general mindset (the details vary but don't matter since they are just mindless justification of the core intent) This person is going to show them! This person will fix everything!. The exception to the rule is "That person is horrible".
This is fucking stupid. No one is going to save you. No one is going to fix things to make it all fair and right all the wrong you perceive have been done to you.
For fuck sake, POTUS is a VERY narrow job (and it damn well should be). The job is very straightforward: head diplomat, a check/ balance on the other branches, Commander in Chief. All these things are very narrow, very limited responsibilities that are contingent on the other branches who are noting more than representatives of the people and the states. Period. No part of the POTUS job description is "fix things", "make things fair", "punish people" or "reward people".
You know who IS responsible for all that shit? YOU ARE.
Stop voting for Saviors and take responsibility for your own life.
Posted by: Damiano at August 18, 2016 02:58 PM (71OEY)
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You are absolutely correct, Ace. Absolutely correct.
There is a dear price to be paid socially and in many industries if you are outed as a republican. The other side effectively won the culture war - now they're just roaming the hills capping stragglers.
As Scott Adams likes to say - he endorses Hillary for his personal safety.
There is a dear price to be paid socially and in many industries if you are outed as a republican. The other side effectively won the culture war - now they're just roaming the hills capping stragglers.
As Scott Adams likes to say - he endorses Hillary for his personal safety.
Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at August 18, 2016 02:58 PM (THdEZ)
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And for anyone blaming the establishment/"GOPe"/elites/DC/globalists,
This is all on Trump. He's a horrible, horrible candidate, whom most of the country has had a negative view of for years. There's no need for some elitist conspiracy to take him down; he self-destructed.
This is all on Trump. He's a horrible, horrible candidate, whom most of the country has had a negative view of for years. There's no need for some elitist conspiracy to take him down; he self-destructed.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 02:58 PM (BXcJU)
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A good number of people were apparently not being honest with the pollsters.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 02:26
I suspect that many, many people are not being honest with pollsters in this case, as well. Who wants to be accused of being a stupid racist? I'm not in favor of Trump, but I will also vote for him, because he is still the best of all the candidates running.
I think there is a strong undercurrent of just this. Maybe t-shirt sales are a better predictor.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 02:26
I suspect that many, many people are not being honest with pollsters in this case, as well. Who wants to be accused of being a stupid racist? I'm not in favor of Trump, but I will also vote for him, because he is still the best of all the candidates running.
I think there is a strong undercurrent of just this. Maybe t-shirt sales are a better predictor.
Posted by: April at August 18, 2016 02:59 PM (e8PP1)
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Clock. I meant clock.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 18, 2016 02:42 PM (ZnIt3)
You had it right the first time.
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 18, 2016 02:42 PM (ZnIt3)
You had it right the first time.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2016 02:59 PM (oqkO3)
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Trump would have to have very strong leads in swing states to overcome the corruption that will be taking place there.
Last election in Cincinnati, the True the vote folks were kicked out of polls all over Hamilton county when the polls opened.
Trump has no ground game at all. None. His campaign has no prayer of overcoming what the career criminal is going to be doing in the polls come election day.
If you live in a contested district in swing state, your vote will be worthless, because 15 paid welfare queens on bus tour will overwhelm it.
Last election in Cincinnati, the True the vote folks were kicked out of polls all over Hamilton county when the polls opened.
Trump has no ground game at all. None. His campaign has no prayer of overcoming what the career criminal is going to be doing in the polls come election day.
If you live in a contested district in swing state, your vote will be worthless, because 15 paid welfare queens on bus tour will overwhelm it.
Posted by: ghbucky at August 18, 2016 02:59 PM (D2q91)
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Consider Hillary's situation. She's got to stage-manage every public occasion. If she backs out of the debate(s) (I doubt that there will be more than one, if that), Trump can flay her for that (along with the lack of news conferences).
If she goes through with the debate(s), how does she prepare? Trump's a loose cannon, and has a taste for hamburgers made out of sacred cows. There is NO topic off limits with him. There is no way the Reds can collude with the moderator a la Fat Ass Crowley because Trump would go ballistic, and they know it.
So who does she get as Trump's stand-in while she preps? He's sui generis; there's nobody quite like him. And she's a walking (well, sort of walking) target of opportunity on so many issues.
Last, consider that she's stood from campaigning until this Sunday. Health problems? Out of gas? What?
If she goes through with the debate(s), how does she prepare? Trump's a loose cannon, and has a taste for hamburgers made out of sacred cows. There is NO topic off limits with him. There is no way the Reds can collude with the moderator a la Fat Ass Crowley because Trump would go ballistic, and they know it.
So who does she get as Trump's stand-in while she preps? He's sui generis; there's nobody quite like him. And she's a walking (well, sort of walking) target of opportunity on so many issues.
Last, consider that she's stood from campaigning until this Sunday. Health problems? Out of gas? What?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 02:59 PM (SRKgf)
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The problem isn't entirely with the GOP as a concept, it's with the GOP leadership that fails in every instance, to lead. They live in fear, always. The party in fear, never wins.
Posted by: bkeyser
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It's not fear. It's blatant collusion.
Posted by: bkeyser
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It's not fear. It's blatant collusion.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2016 02:59 PM (Fmupd)
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I've entertained some conspiracy theories on this in the recent past, including HRC hiring Trump to decimate her political foes, and then throw the election. Tin foil hat of course. But, I swear, it looks like the guy is trying to scuttle his own campaign.
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I don't think he ever planned to or wanted to win. I think he was in it for the publicity and the the chance to mouth off in front of cameras.
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I don't think he ever planned to or wanted to win. I think he was in it for the publicity and the the chance to mouth off in front of cameras.
Posted by: Farmer Joe, job hunting at August 18, 2016 02:59 PM (F2rZx)
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43 Posted by: ace at August 18, 2016 02:20 PM (dciA+)
but I don't think I'm a conserevative. Not anymore. This crew has shown
me what conservatism is, and whatever they are, I'm not that.
Amen, our movement has gone from having people like Milton Friedman, Phyllis Schlafley, Ronald Reagan, and Phil Gramm as guiding lights to having Billy Dee Kristol, Karl Rove, Kelly Ayotte, and the also rans as our "thinkers."
Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, and a few others are the dying embers of a genuine ideological conservatism based on free markets.
When the last of those lights goes out it will be a long dark time in the wilderness and we will be "led" in the interim by people who think the only thing wrong with Stalin was he did not kill enough Kulaks.
but I don't think I'm a conserevative. Not anymore. This crew has shown
me what conservatism is, and whatever they are, I'm not that.
Amen, our movement has gone from having people like Milton Friedman, Phyllis Schlafley, Ronald Reagan, and Phil Gramm as guiding lights to having Billy Dee Kristol, Karl Rove, Kelly Ayotte, and the also rans as our "thinkers."
Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, and a few others are the dying embers of a genuine ideological conservatism based on free markets.
When the last of those lights goes out it will be a long dark time in the wilderness and we will be "led" in the interim by people who think the only thing wrong with Stalin was he did not kill enough Kulaks.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 02:59 PM (SzZnW)
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I am pretty sure that Scankles is post-menopausal.
She hasn't had a hot-flash in decades.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo
*****
Skankles is post-menopausal
The scope of her years is colossal
Her campaign's ill fated
She's been carbon dated
Let's face it, the old girl's a fossil
She hasn't had a hot-flash in decades.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo
*****
Skankles is post-menopausal
The scope of her years is colossal
Her campaign's ill fated
She's been carbon dated
Let's face it, the old girl's a fossil
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 18, 2016 02:59 PM (wPiJc)
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Trump became the GOP nominee because the media wanted Hillary's weakest opponent, and the GOP were arrogant bumbling incompetents.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:50 PM (O7MnT)
Trump became the GOP nominee because Republican primary voters rejected the GOPe agenda of amnesty, open borders, trade agreements in which the USA plays the role of the pinata and the naive, unsuccessful and unending nation-building in Muslim countries.
That's why the Republican primary race quickly boiled down to two anti-GOPe candidates (Trump and Cruz).
Of those two, Trump was the only one who has a shot at pulling the working class white vote over to the GOP and remedying the relatively low white vote attained by Romney in the rust belt, among other places.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:50 PM (O7MnT)
Trump became the GOP nominee because Republican primary voters rejected the GOPe agenda of amnesty, open borders, trade agreements in which the USA plays the role of the pinata and the naive, unsuccessful and unending nation-building in Muslim countries.
That's why the Republican primary race quickly boiled down to two anti-GOPe candidates (Trump and Cruz).
Of those two, Trump was the only one who has a shot at pulling the working class white vote over to the GOP and remedying the relatively low white vote attained by Romney in the rust belt, among other places.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 18, 2016 02:59 PM (PL2OL)
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The Republican party is doing great and will survive a Trump win or loss. Things that have been around for 150 years generally do not die - especially when they face little competition. And usually not when they are actually doing quite well.
I feel like there is a /sarc tag missing here.
...
Nope.
I feel like there is a /sarc tag missing here.
...
Nope.
Posted by: Chamber of Commerce at August 18, 2016 02:59 PM (1H9ox)
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"But let's not pretend any other GOP candidate would be doing better. Yes, she's a flawed candidate, but I think Trump's 20 point estimate on the media is about right - heck, that's about what the media thinks they are worth."
I agree, it's probably 20%. But it doesn't need to be nearly that high. It could only be 8% and that's more than enough to kill Trump.
But what sucks is that none of the post-mortem's are going to include this reality.
It will be "Trump was racist, Trump was an awful candidate."
A Hillary win is a win for the media--literally. They are so invested in this.
I agree, it's probably 20%. But it doesn't need to be nearly that high. It could only be 8% and that's more than enough to kill Trump.
But what sucks is that none of the post-mortem's are going to include this reality.
It will be "Trump was racist, Trump was an awful candidate."
A Hillary win is a win for the media--literally. They are so invested in this.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 18, 2016 02:59 PM (3P9Cm)
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Eah, don't blame Trump necessarily. The MSM would find something. Remember "binders full of women"?
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (5o5ek)
This, exactly. Everyone parroting the line about how "Trump says stupid stuff" has accepted the media's current rules of engagement, which say that the right must always fight with two hands tied behnd its back.
This is the old media game: freeze, isolate, and disqualify. Take a single sentence or an aside by a right-leaning candidate and commence freaking out about how it's the Worst Thing That Anyone Has Ever Said, which disqualifies Candidate X from such an eminent office as the presidency, and we have to abandon objectivity to face this dire threat, and so on. They did it for Goldwater, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, and Romney, and thousands of other candidates for lesser offices. And now they're doing it for Trump.
But when YOU, dear conservative voter, buy into this framing, YOU'RE DOING THEIR WORK FOR THEM. Many of the supposedly Outrageously Outrageous things Trump has said are really not that bad, when you remove the hysterical shrieking surrounding them. Sure, you can't change the media, but you can sure as heck stop playing their game.
Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM (5o5ek)
This, exactly. Everyone parroting the line about how "Trump says stupid stuff" has accepted the media's current rules of engagement, which say that the right must always fight with two hands tied behnd its back.
This is the old media game: freeze, isolate, and disqualify. Take a single sentence or an aside by a right-leaning candidate and commence freaking out about how it's the Worst Thing That Anyone Has Ever Said, which disqualifies Candidate X from such an eminent office as the presidency, and we have to abandon objectivity to face this dire threat, and so on. They did it for Goldwater, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, and Romney, and thousands of other candidates for lesser offices. And now they're doing it for Trump.
But when YOU, dear conservative voter, buy into this framing, YOU'RE DOING THEIR WORK FOR THEM. Many of the supposedly Outrageously Outrageous things Trump has said are really not that bad, when you remove the hysterical shrieking surrounding them. Sure, you can't change the media, but you can sure as heck stop playing their game.
Posted by: Murray at August 18, 2016 02:59 PM (lnL+g)
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2016 02:59 PM (/hxGw)
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The tipping point was 2012. I still note Obam still has approval ratings around 55%. The suffering hasn't been rough enough to get people attention yet.
I'll still vote Trump and down ticket because I can't just stand by and watch Hillary win. Trump may win if enough Dems stay home but the domks will turn this country upside down and make governing impossible. Either way it will be chaos so I am planning more along those lines.
I'll still vote Trump and down ticket because I can't just stand by and watch Hillary win. Trump may win if enough Dems stay home but the domks will turn this country upside down and make governing impossible. Either way it will be chaos so I am planning more along those lines.
Posted by: Ripley at August 18, 2016 03:00 PM (1BQGO)
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284 I wonder what Zombie looks like reading this post?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
For this post, I look like this:
http://www.zombietime.com/zombie17.jpg
(Actually, that's just a picture I took of my husband.)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
For this post, I look like this:
http://www.zombietime.com/zombie17.jpg
(Actually, that's just a picture I took of my husband.)
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 03:00 PM (jBuUi)
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The Republican party is doing great and will survive a Trump win or loss. Things that have been around for 150 years generally do not die - especially when they face little competition. And usually not when they are actually doing quite well.
I feel like there is a /sarc tag missing here.
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Why? People assume that Trump is going to kill the GOP one way or another. That strikes me as silly. And yes, the GOP is doing well. The strength of a party should be measured by how many positions it holds plus the value of those positions. By that measure, the party is doing well. The only position of value it does not hold is President.
None of this is to suggest that the party is of value to you or me or conservatives or nationalists or any other group. Just to suggest that the party is not doomed.
I feel like there is a /sarc tag missing here.
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Why? People assume that Trump is going to kill the GOP one way or another. That strikes me as silly. And yes, the GOP is doing well. The strength of a party should be measured by how many positions it holds plus the value of those positions. By that measure, the party is doing well. The only position of value it does not hold is President.
None of this is to suggest that the party is of value to you or me or conservatives or nationalists or any other group. Just to suggest that the party is not doomed.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:00 PM (gmeXX)
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The anti-Hillary pages on Facebook have more [ ]likes then the pro-.
The time may come to despair. And if Ace is ahead of the curve on this then I have no reason to fault him.
Even if Trump wins, we have a political party that 1) isn't conservative, 2) doesn't help it's friends like Dems do 3) doesn't hurt it's enemies like Dems do 4) Won't play the long game for the electorate, like Dems do.
The time may come to despair. And if Ace is ahead of the curve on this then I have no reason to fault him.
Even if Trump wins, we have a political party that 1) isn't conservative, 2) doesn't help it's friends like Dems do 3) doesn't hurt it's enemies like Dems do 4) Won't play the long game for the electorate, like Dems do.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2016 03:00 PM (VdICR)
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Bannon has made it clear that he will "make it his mission in life" to go after those that don't get on the bandwagon. Great, a Trump purity test.
I walked away from a ministry program because I would not sign a loyalty oath to church leadership. What does Bannon think he has that commands my conscience?
I walked away from a ministry program because I would not sign a loyalty oath to church leadership. What does Bannon think he has that commands my conscience?
Posted by: AE at August 18, 2016 03:00 PM (+ft6G)
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It's almost exactly like a squad of #nevertrumpers are on constant watch here for a post like this.
It's almost exactly like that. It's like just a shade to the left of being exactly like that.
It's almost exactly like that. It's like just a shade to the left of being exactly like that.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 18, 2016 03:00 PM (4ErVI)
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Ace You are the loser. When you lose winners pick themselves up and keep on fighting. Rubio is actually a winner. Your Guy Cruz is a loser.
Posted by: Arkansas Yankee (Never Ever Crooked, Nagging, Lying, Vindictive, Security Risk Hillary) at August 18, 2016 03:01 PM (Je4OY)
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Trump's media strategy is like the scene in Braveheart, where Wallace keeps repeating "hold" in the face of charging horses. And then he will suddenly yell "now", raise the spears, and slay the English with fireballs from his arse.
Just kidding. The best we can hope for is an Animal House style "ramming speed!" amusing disaster.
Just kidding. The best we can hope for is an Animal House style "ramming speed!" amusing disaster.
Posted by: wooga at August 18, 2016 03:01 PM (G0kET)
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306 Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 02:58 PM (BXcJU)
Trump happened precisely because the GOP "genius class" decided it would either be Yeb or the Rube.
We do not want amigo grande.
Trump happened precisely because the GOP "genius class" decided it would either be Yeb or the Rube.
We do not want amigo grande.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:01 PM (SzZnW)
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>>For this post, I look like this:
http://www.zombietime.com/zombie17.jpg
Tonight on Where Are They Now? :
Fat White Ottoman Guy
http://www.zombietime.com/zombie17.jpg
Tonight on Where Are They Now? :
Fat White Ottoman Guy
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2016 03:01 PM (/hxGw)
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Who will be the new Nixon?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2016 02:54 PM (IqV8l)
It could've been Cruz if he hadn't gotten a metric fuckton of lousy advice from advisors and "friends" like Mark Levin.
Nixon wasn't popular in the GOP either but he worked his ass off in the intervening years working with state and local GOP and built up a huge amount of favors and good will.
Cruz' spoiled diletante performance at the convention shows that he's probably not that guy.
Unfortunately.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2016 02:54 PM (IqV8l)
It could've been Cruz if he hadn't gotten a metric fuckton of lousy advice from advisors and "friends" like Mark Levin.
Nixon wasn't popular in the GOP either but he worked his ass off in the intervening years working with state and local GOP and built up a huge amount of favors and good will.
Cruz' spoiled diletante performance at the convention shows that he's probably not that guy.
Unfortunately.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2016 03:02 PM (0cMkb)
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"I guess it does gnaw at me that someone like a Rubio probably could have beat Hillary and warts and all"
Rubio couldn't even win Florida, his home state, during the primaries.
All of the other 16 candidates would have moved to the left of center and be promoting amnesty at this point in the campaign.
Trump hasn't changed his platform one iota. And that was one of the predictions Ace made - that Trump would go left. He didn't, he hasn't.
Rubio couldn't even win Florida, his home state, during the primaries.
All of the other 16 candidates would have moved to the left of center and be promoting amnesty at this point in the campaign.
Trump hasn't changed his platform one iota. And that was one of the predictions Ace made - that Trump would go left. He didn't, he hasn't.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:02 PM (syAr3)
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Ultimately, you know how this will be portrayed.
If Trump wins, there will be cries of voter fraud and election stealing. If Hillary wins, even by one vote, it'll be cries of "It's a mandate!"
The election be what it'll be. We need to plan past the frozen lake so that we're ready when it thaws again.
If Trump wins, there will be cries of voter fraud and election stealing. If Hillary wins, even by one vote, it'll be cries of "It's a mandate!"
The election be what it'll be. We need to plan past the frozen lake so that we're ready when it thaws again.
Posted by: LLATPOH at August 18, 2016 03:02 PM (lvNsd)
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Just kidding. The best we can hope for is an Animal House style "ramming speed!" amusing disaster.
Posted by: wooga at August 18, 2016 03:01 PM (G0kET)
Blueto was elected Senator after that, so.... you know.... might work out.
Posted by: wooga at August 18, 2016 03:01 PM (G0kET)
Blueto was elected Senator after that, so.... you know.... might work out.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 18, 2016 03:02 PM (KUaJL)
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In 1980 the electorate wanted change but the Rs served up a Dangerous Guy instead of an Easily Electable Squish (Bush 41). Dangerous Guy had a strong lead in August but lost it going into September and was down 6% in October. How did that turn out?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trump isn't Reagan. And past performance doesn't guarantee future results. But there you have it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trump isn't Reagan. And past performance doesn't guarantee future results. But there you have it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2016 03:02 PM (r1fLd)
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At this rate, you're gonna be the funniest guy in the FEMA camp, Ace.
Posted by: LordoftheSmith at August 18, 2016 03:02 PM (M3Kbo)
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Who will be the new Nixon?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2016 02:54 PM (IqV8l)
It could've been Cruz if he hadn't gotten a metric fuckton of lousy advice from advisors and "friends" like Mark Levin.
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Can't it still be Cruz? In fact wouldn't it be more Nixon like for Cruz to come back in the future with a rousing win?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2016 02:54 PM (IqV8l)
It could've been Cruz if he hadn't gotten a metric fuckton of lousy advice from advisors and "friends" like Mark Levin.
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Can't it still be Cruz? In fact wouldn't it be more Nixon like for Cruz to come back in the future with a rousing win?
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:02 PM (gmeXX)
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Well, I will give you this Ace.....surrender never sounded so inviting.
Posted by: Lower class person whose opinions must be guided at August 18, 2016 03:03 PM (AV4JD)
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Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:01 PM (SzZnW)
Well then, enjoy President Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:01 PM (SzZnW)
Well then, enjoy President Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:03 PM (BXcJU)
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The one thing that brings liberals, moderates, and conservatives together is our common hatred of the Republican Party.
That's why the party is doomed, if not to death, then to permanent minority status.
That's why the party is doomed, if not to death, then to permanent minority status.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 03:03 PM (O7MnT)
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Rubio couldn't even win Florida, his home state, during the primaries.
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Just out of curiosity what will you say when Rubio wins his Senate seat in FL but Trump loses (if that happens)?
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Just out of curiosity what will you say when Rubio wins his Senate seat in FL but Trump loses (if that happens)?
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:03 PM (gmeXX)
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309 Trump would have to have very strong leads in swing states to overcome the corruption that will be taking place there.
Last election in Cincinnati, the True the vote folks were kicked out of polls all over Hamilton county when the polls opened.
Trump has no ground game at all. None. His campaign has no prayer of overcoming what the career criminal is going to be doing in the polls come election day.
If you live in a contested district in swing state, your vote will be worthless, because 15 paid welfare queens on bus tour will overwhelm it.
Posted by: ghbucky
On a very serious note: Threadwinner.
This is actually what it will all come down to. Voter fraud in swing districts in swing states. And the Dem fraud machine is finely honed and well-practiced. They will multiple-vote the fuck out of every polling station with vanloads of winos, and no one will do shit to stop them.
Trump may indeed lose, but this will be the reason why.
Last election in Cincinnati, the True the vote folks were kicked out of polls all over Hamilton county when the polls opened.
Trump has no ground game at all. None. His campaign has no prayer of overcoming what the career criminal is going to be doing in the polls come election day.
If you live in a contested district in swing state, your vote will be worthless, because 15 paid welfare queens on bus tour will overwhelm it.
Posted by: ghbucky
On a very serious note: Threadwinner.
This is actually what it will all come down to. Voter fraud in swing districts in swing states. And the Dem fraud machine is finely honed and well-practiced. They will multiple-vote the fuck out of every polling station with vanloads of winos, and no one will do shit to stop them.
Trump may indeed lose, but this will be the reason why.
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 03:04 PM (jBuUi)
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Due to the nature of my job, my coworkers are somewhat umm diverse. No doubt the majority of the people at my company voted for Barky in both elections.
I have yet to hear one person, not one, say that they are voting for Hillary. Not one.
I hear Trump a lot. May not mean a thing but I don't think my experience with this election is unique.
I have yet to hear one person, not one, say that they are voting for Hillary. Not one.
I hear Trump a lot. May not mean a thing but I don't think my experience with this election is unique.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2016 03:04 PM (X+nFp)
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I'll say this though, if we are going to use polls to gauge Trump's viability, how many recent polls show it to be a 2-3 point race?
Trump has the "stink" of losing and just doing so many stupid things that I just don't feel it's within reach like I used to, but at the same time, the polls still show it to be a close race.
I will forever be amazed at the people though that thought nominating him was a good idea. I'm behind him no question, but the people that thought it was actually a good idea, I'll never understand.
Trump has the "stink" of losing and just doing so many stupid things that I just don't feel it's within reach like I used to, but at the same time, the polls still show it to be a close race.
I will forever be amazed at the people though that thought nominating him was a good idea. I'm behind him no question, but the people that thought it was actually a good idea, I'll never understand.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:04 PM (qX02u)
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Trump hasn't changed his platform one iota.
I don't know where you get that. He's all over the place with his policies, at least when they are coming out of his mouth. That's one of the complaints about him.
I don't know where you get that. He's all over the place with his policies, at least when they are coming out of his mouth. That's one of the complaints about him.
Posted by: Grump928(c) reminds you at August 18, 2016 03:04 PM (evdj2)
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That's why the party is doomed, if not to death, then to permanent minority status.
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Seriously, its not the minority right now. Its the majority.
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Seriously, its not the minority right now. Its the majority.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:04 PM (gmeXX)
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Dana Perino? Isn't she the Bush groupie?
Didn't she support the guy who spent $150 million dollars and got only 3 delegates. At a price of $50 million each?
Yeah, not giving her nor her opinion any consideration.
Didn't she support the guy who spent $150 million dollars and got only 3 delegates. At a price of $50 million each?
Yeah, not giving her nor her opinion any consideration.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:04 PM (syAr3)
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Skankles is post-menopausal
The scope of her years is colossal
Her campaign's ill fated
She's been carbon dated
Let's face it, the old girl's a fossil
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
Country-Club golf clap!
The scope of her years is colossal
Her campaign's ill fated
She's been carbon dated
Let's face it, the old girl's a fossil
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
Country-Club golf clap!
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 03:05 PM (jBuUi)
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Hillary hired some "guru", who worked on the obama campaign to play little tricks. his specialty is advertising, marketing, influencing. "alt-right" sounds scary, like "neo-nazi", easier to hate, marginalize. these people are pros, and some are falling into the trap. Supposedly that guru moved her campaign from talking about the issues (she has none worth listening to) to attacking Trump full time. So, as someone noted on twitter - Trump is talking about the issues, and poor deranged hillary is talking about Trump.
Hillary hired some "guru", who worked on the obama campaign to play little tricks. his specialty is advertising, marketing, influencing. "alt-right" sounds scary, like "neo-nazi", easier to hate, marginalize. these people are pros, and some are falling into the trap. Supposedly that guru moved her campaign from talking about the issues (she has none worth listening to) to attacking Trump full time. So, as someone noted on twitter - Trump is talking about the issues, and poor deranged hillary is talking about Trump.
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 03:05 PM (c6/9Q)
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Just out of curiosity what will you say when Rubio wins his Senate seat in FL but Trump loses (if that happens)?
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That he is qualified to be a Senator in Florida. Whether or not you see that as a compliment or an insult is up to you.
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That he is qualified to be a Senator in Florida. Whether or not you see that as a compliment or an insult is up to you.
Posted by: ajmojo at August 18, 2016 03:05 PM (1H9ox)
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Trump isn't dead but the situation is kind of bleak. I think the first debate will either turn around Trump's campaign or effectively end the race. I like his chances to beat her like a drum, but I just worry if the political landscape will be too frozen to make a difference by then.
I've all but detached from the "media" as it's as depressing as it is infuriating. I also closed my Twitter account. That was my last social media platform, and it's been great. I also closed my Facebook account 4 years ago. Trying to busy my mind with other things to stay sane but still check in a few times a day here. I don't envy Ace for having to do this as a job.
I too feel like I need to start withdrawing from politics for my own sake as I felt myself going crazy watching our country descend into transnational socialist PC madness. I can't control the trajectory of this idiocracy, but I can control my own mindset. And, my mindset these days is learning to think about my country like an apartment rental - just a place to stay until something better comes along. I have zero allegiance to this "country" anymore - none.
I've all but detached from the "media" as it's as depressing as it is infuriating. I also closed my Twitter account. That was my last social media platform, and it's been great. I also closed my Facebook account 4 years ago. Trying to busy my mind with other things to stay sane but still check in a few times a day here. I don't envy Ace for having to do this as a job.
I too feel like I need to start withdrawing from politics for my own sake as I felt myself going crazy watching our country descend into transnational socialist PC madness. I can't control the trajectory of this idiocracy, but I can control my own mindset. And, my mindset these days is learning to think about my country like an apartment rental - just a place to stay until something better comes along. I have zero allegiance to this "country" anymore - none.
Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at August 18, 2016 03:05 PM (s9KBB)
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338 Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:03 PM (BXcJU)
I will almost as much as your brand of Republican has allowed me the "joy" of two terms of a Red-Diaper baby already.
The people want a choice not an echo.
I will almost as much as your brand of Republican has allowed me the "joy" of two terms of a Red-Diaper baby already.
The people want a choice not an echo.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:05 PM (SzZnW)
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Regarding polls and turnout, I received a letter from the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections yesterday stating they are anticipating record turnout this year and desperately need poll workers. They are paying $10/hour for the day. It wasn't "if you're interested, please apply.." It was, "Sign here, return in the enclosed envelope and you're hired."
So, long story short, maybe we can expect record turnout? Who really knows.
So, long story short, maybe we can expect record turnout? Who really knows.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 18, 2016 03:06 PM (vg8iE)
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The polls don't matter to me.
The die is cast.
Looking at polls now would be like Julius Caesar consulting the auguries after he crossed the Rubicon.
The die is cast.
Looking at polls now would be like Julius Caesar consulting the auguries after he crossed the Rubicon.
Posted by: @votermom at August 18, 2016 03:06 PM (7lVbc)
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And past performance doesn't guarantee future results. But there you have it.
Yet everyone is currently going on like it does. Witness the comments referring to '08 & '12.
Yet everyone is currently going on like it does. Witness the comments referring to '08 & '12.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:06 PM (AmeQT)
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Just out of curiosity what will you say when Rubio wins his Senate seat in FL but Trump loses (if that happens)?
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That he is qualified to be a Senator in Florida. Whether or not you see that as a compliment or an insult is up to you.
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That's fair. And that is definitely one way. Another way of looking at it is that elections are different, nominations are different from general, etc. One doesn't necessarily predict the other.
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That he is qualified to be a Senator in Florida. Whether or not you see that as a compliment or an insult is up to you.
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That's fair. And that is definitely one way. Another way of looking at it is that elections are different, nominations are different from general, etc. One doesn't necessarily predict the other.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:06 PM (gmeXX)
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Rubio couldn't even win Florida, his home state, during the primaries.
All of the other 16 candidates would have moved to the left of center and be promoting amnesty at this point in the campaign.
Trump hasn't changed his platform one iota. And that was one of the predictions Ace made - that Trump would go left. He didn't, he hasn't.
Posted by: Fuq the media
And Trump will handily lose New York (his home state) in the General Election.
What exactly does that prove?
All of the other 16 candidates would have moved to the left of center and be promoting amnesty at this point in the campaign.
Trump hasn't changed his platform one iota. And that was one of the predictions Ace made - that Trump would go left. He didn't, he hasn't.
Posted by: Fuq the media
And Trump will handily lose New York (his home state) in the General Election.
What exactly does that prove?
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:07 PM (qX02u)
Posted by: Grump928(c) reminds you at August 18, 2016 03:07 PM (evdj2)
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To (loosely) quote some Canadian: When the Nazis and Bolsheviks come out to protest, you don't pick sides. You pray for a meteor strike.
SMOD, hear my plea......
SMOD, hear my plea......
Posted by: HiHo at August 18, 2016 03:07 PM (CPk08)
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Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:05 PM (SzZnW)
"The people" are going to vote for Hillary because the choice is between her and her erstwhile friend and donor.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:05 PM (SzZnW)
"The people" are going to vote for Hillary because the choice is between her and her erstwhile friend and donor.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:07 PM (BXcJU)
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341 Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 03:04 PM (jBuUi)
Yup.
Since the GOP refuses to go Jihad on voter fraud, and since the GOP Stalwarts are going to make the courts batshit liberal for the next 40 years we need to outfraud their asses...
which we will not do.
Yup.
Since the GOP refuses to go Jihad on voter fraud, and since the GOP Stalwarts are going to make the courts batshit liberal for the next 40 years we need to outfraud their asses...
which we will not do.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:07 PM (SzZnW)
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I have yet to hear one person, not one, say that they are voting for Hillary. Not one.
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But they will, because they are Democrats.
In 2012, I didn't hear a lot of people saying they were excited about voting for President Lazy-ass, but they must have.
Why? Because in the end, Democrats do what their government program overlords tell them to do.
I have yet to hear one person, not one, say that they are voting for Hillary. Not one.
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But they will, because they are Democrats.
In 2012, I didn't hear a lot of people saying they were excited about voting for President Lazy-ass, but they must have.
Why? Because in the end, Democrats do what their government program overlords tell them to do.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 18, 2016 03:07 PM (4AVeu)
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A good chunk of people regard George Washington as the best president in US history but we rarely talk about why he was good.
In my mind, the answer is simple: he didn't want the job.
After The Burning Times, perhaps we can get back to that being the first criteria for someone being qualified for elected office instead of a bunch of meaningless credentials that bear no resemblance to that actual job description and which few to none of the people shouting about credentials understand in the least.
In my mind, the answer is simple: he didn't want the job.
After The Burning Times, perhaps we can get back to that being the first criteria for someone being qualified for elected office instead of a bunch of meaningless credentials that bear no resemblance to that actual job description and which few to none of the people shouting about credentials understand in the least.
Posted by: Damiano at August 18, 2016 03:08 PM (71OEY)
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STROKE 2016
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 03:08 PM (cLMWw)
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359 Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:07 PM (BXcJU)
Sure tiger.
Have fun getting the donations and the volunteer hours from the newer better Americans....
this gun's retired.
Sure tiger.
Have fun getting the donations and the volunteer hours from the newer better Americans....
this gun's retired.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:08 PM (SzZnW)
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"I don't know where you get that. He's all over the place with his policies, at least when they are coming out of his mouth. That's one of the complaints about him."
No, he's not changed one iota. The media misrepresents him all of the time.
If you actually follow the man, his website, his speeches, and his rallies you will see he hasn't changed. Not at all.
No, he's not changed one iota. The media misrepresents him all of the time.
If you actually follow the man, his website, his speeches, and his rallies you will see he hasn't changed. Not at all.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:08 PM (syAr3)
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at August 18, 2016 03:08 PM (m40v5)
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Speaking of pain and suffering, any news about Chavez the Hugo? Pissing blood this morning and went to the doctor.
Speaking of pain and suffering, any news about Chavez the Hugo? Pissing blood this morning and went to the doctor.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 03:08 PM (9P3OG)
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Looks like I picked a bad time to quit stocking up on ammo.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW- Skeet Surfing at August 18, 2016 03:08 PM (0x/TW)
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This thing about "Trump beat out all the other Republicans so f--k off" is pure spin.
Trump won a plurality in a divided Republican field with the hot wind of the MFM at his back (because they knew he was the weakest against Hillary) and we're supposed to think he's some kind of champion? Not to mention, Jeb spending $100M to attack... Rubio (WTF?) and Kasich deliberately sticking around as a spoiler.
Trump became the GOP nominee because the media wanted Hillary's weakest opponent, and the GOP were arrogant bumbling incompetents.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:50 PM (O7MnT)
So you argument is that:
1. Trump only won the most votes because the MSM picked him. He wasn't even a blip until he talked about immigration and the press hammered him on it. And remember his gaffe train that was going to derail him?
2. Jeb was too stupid to attack Trump.
3. Kasich was too dumb to get out of the race for Cruz.
In conclusion, Trump won the most votes (ie won the election) because he survived the press hounding him, and the other candidates were stupid. Yeah, we were stupid for not going with one of the other idiot candidates.
BTW, you don't think any of the other guys would be facing the MSM blitzkrieg? McLame found that out in 2008. Romney self-destructed....that's too bold for him...he melted away at the easiest of cheap shots from the Dems.
Trump won a plurality in a divided Republican field with the hot wind of the MFM at his back (because they knew he was the weakest against Hillary) and we're supposed to think he's some kind of champion? Not to mention, Jeb spending $100M to attack... Rubio (WTF?) and Kasich deliberately sticking around as a spoiler.
Trump became the GOP nominee because the media wanted Hillary's weakest opponent, and the GOP were arrogant bumbling incompetents.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 02:50 PM (O7MnT)
So you argument is that:
1. Trump only won the most votes because the MSM picked him. He wasn't even a blip until he talked about immigration and the press hammered him on it. And remember his gaffe train that was going to derail him?
2. Jeb was too stupid to attack Trump.
3. Kasich was too dumb to get out of the race for Cruz.
In conclusion, Trump won the most votes (ie won the election) because he survived the press hounding him, and the other candidates were stupid. Yeah, we were stupid for not going with one of the other idiot candidates.
BTW, you don't think any of the other guys would be facing the MSM blitzkrieg? McLame found that out in 2008. Romney self-destructed....that's too bold for him...he melted away at the easiest of cheap shots from the Dems.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 18, 2016 03:08 PM (Ee2nz)
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Sure does seem to be a lot of concern going on in this thread. Especially from people I've never seen before.
Hillbots: Do you really want to support someone whose path to victory is spreading economic ruin and misery? Sounds a lot like Stalin to me.
Hillbots: Do you really want to support someone whose path to victory is spreading economic ruin and misery? Sounds a lot like Stalin to me.
Posted by: esch at August 18, 2016 03:09 PM (hliil)
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Did I miss the part, where another republican would be doing any better than Trump, and the media wouldn't be part of the DNC?
Posted by: WeBoned! at August 18, 2016 03:09 PM (T1IWS)
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Rubio couldn't even win Florida, his home state, during the primaries.
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Just out of curiosity what will you say when Rubio wins his Senate seat in FL but Trump loses (if that happens)?
Posted by: SH
What do you say now about why he couldn't win his home state?
At least Cruz won his.
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Just out of curiosity what will you say when Rubio wins his Senate seat in FL but Trump loses (if that happens)?
Posted by: SH
What do you say now about why he couldn't win his home state?
At least Cruz won his.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:09 PM (AmeQT)
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Ace,
Um, love your commentary but Dana Perino ain't who you go to for any information about elections. She is a Bushie and a former press flack. Journalists and PR people are some of the worst at figuring out who will win along with political consultants not currently involved in the presidential campaigns.
Second, independent voters don't really act the way that you describe--it is one of my doctoral fields, had to take comps in it, and have some publications in it. Generally, after Labor Day, low information voters pay more attention to events---remember in September 2008--Lehman brothers failed, in 2000 GW Bush DWI was released the weekend before the election, etc. A terrorism strike, bad debate performances, all of these factor in.
Third, GOTV organizations can make about 5% difference in turnout--but bad candidates simply don't turn out voters like good ones do. Young voters especially want to be thrilled--e.g. 1992 Clinton, 2008 Obama, etc.
I'm agnostic about polls right now, know some professional pollsters and they were talking about the decline in polling accuracy four years ago due to cell phones, caller id, etc. In 2012, there were two clear tracks of polls--the first had Obama up, the second had it as a dead-heat. What happened is that track one weighted turnout more like 2008 and track two type polls treated the 2012 election more like a traditional referendum type election turnout. Gallup was so shaken by their track two type performance that they are not currently doing presidential election selection polls (they are doing political indicator polling).
National polls are probably the most reliable at this point with the states following after a one or two week lag time. Believe it or not, it is much more difficult to poll a state than the U.S. population due to difficulties in figuring out who are likely voters at the state level and properly weighting the polls. Ideally, you should add magic voodoo including registration data, etc. to reflect the 2016 potential electorate in that state.
Right now, there are probably more bad polls out there than ever before--first because it is cheap to do it with voip calling, second, there are a lot more polling centers that pay their bills and make a name for themselves by releasing polls either as a loss leader or being paid by news outlets.
Some have a partisan bent or are piggybacked onto state level candidate polling for candidates.
That being said, I believe that Trump is behind nationally and behind in some key swing states by 2-4 percent nationally and it varies by state. However, realistically, Jeb or Ted, would also be behind at this point. The media and the Hillary campaign would be replaying GWB's greatest hits on the first and Ted would be portrayed as the lovechild of Elmer Gantry and Lonesome Rhodes.
Rubio is the candidate that I have the hardest time evaluating. Thin resume, poor political judgment involving himself in the Gang of Eight, but major positive vibes on the trail and can issue platitudes with the best of them. Seems to like people which is a plus. Dunno about debating chops as he did not distinguish himself much there.
Scott Walkers, Romneys, and many of the other cast show members of the RNC 2016 reality show failed to catch fire because talking about muh conservative, tax cuts, and ignoring amnesty as an issue to keep donors happy, is a really crappy agenda to run on. GWB's legacy of squandering trust in the GOP to competently run national security policy does not help with swing voters.
Look, after Labor Day find one poll that appears to be competently run--it doesn't even matter if it appears biased as long the bias is predictable. Watch the trends from week to week rather than day to day. Day to day polling due to the way that tracking polls do it can have weird random walk fluctuations. Most state polling by reputable firms such as Mason Dixon, etc. that are experienced at this, will generally reflect national trends about one to two weeks later. Beware of new name pollsters that you have never heard of, they may be ok at the national level but probably suck at state level polling regarding likely voter weighting. Remember, many of these polls floating around are media/advocate/advertising for the polling firm type. Stick to the old reliable ones that you recognize the name.
We shall see what events come forth, at this time, it is still anyone's ball game. FWIW, Alan Abramowitz and Helmut Northpol using aggregate prediction models based on historical variables predict Trump as the winner. This apparently disturbed Abramowitz so much that he denounced his own findings. His "2016 time-for-change model predicts a narrow victory for Donald Trump with 51.4% of the major party vote (compared to 48.6% for Hillary Clinton)" Over time, average error was within 1.7 percent of the actual vote) . http://pollyvote.com/en/components/econometric-models/time-for-change-model/
Northpol's model predicted every election since 1912 correctly except 1960 (about 96 percent accuracy). Both are a select group of political scientists that compete every presidential year to predict results. http://primarymodel.com/
Sorry about the long post but I see most political blog/media coverage of polling as bullshit and misleading. It is topped only by the various hacks pulled out periodically by the media to issue stupid commentary based on nothing other than conventional wisdom. There should be media blackouts of such idiots after multiple failures to predict accurately. Similarly, very few of the political journalists that spout opinions on the media ever conducted a poll, mathematically analyzed a poll, nor figured how to triangulate surveys with other means to determine what you don't know.
Um, love your commentary but Dana Perino ain't who you go to for any information about elections. She is a Bushie and a former press flack. Journalists and PR people are some of the worst at figuring out who will win along with political consultants not currently involved in the presidential campaigns.
Second, independent voters don't really act the way that you describe--it is one of my doctoral fields, had to take comps in it, and have some publications in it. Generally, after Labor Day, low information voters pay more attention to events---remember in September 2008--Lehman brothers failed, in 2000 GW Bush DWI was released the weekend before the election, etc. A terrorism strike, bad debate performances, all of these factor in.
Third, GOTV organizations can make about 5% difference in turnout--but bad candidates simply don't turn out voters like good ones do. Young voters especially want to be thrilled--e.g. 1992 Clinton, 2008 Obama, etc.
I'm agnostic about polls right now, know some professional pollsters and they were talking about the decline in polling accuracy four years ago due to cell phones, caller id, etc. In 2012, there were two clear tracks of polls--the first had Obama up, the second had it as a dead-heat. What happened is that track one weighted turnout more like 2008 and track two type polls treated the 2012 election more like a traditional referendum type election turnout. Gallup was so shaken by their track two type performance that they are not currently doing presidential election selection polls (they are doing political indicator polling).
National polls are probably the most reliable at this point with the states following after a one or two week lag time. Believe it or not, it is much more difficult to poll a state than the U.S. population due to difficulties in figuring out who are likely voters at the state level and properly weighting the polls. Ideally, you should add magic voodoo including registration data, etc. to reflect the 2016 potential electorate in that state.
Right now, there are probably more bad polls out there than ever before--first because it is cheap to do it with voip calling, second, there are a lot more polling centers that pay their bills and make a name for themselves by releasing polls either as a loss leader or being paid by news outlets.
Some have a partisan bent or are piggybacked onto state level candidate polling for candidates.
That being said, I believe that Trump is behind nationally and behind in some key swing states by 2-4 percent nationally and it varies by state. However, realistically, Jeb or Ted, would also be behind at this point. The media and the Hillary campaign would be replaying GWB's greatest hits on the first and Ted would be portrayed as the lovechild of Elmer Gantry and Lonesome Rhodes.
Rubio is the candidate that I have the hardest time evaluating. Thin resume, poor political judgment involving himself in the Gang of Eight, but major positive vibes on the trail and can issue platitudes with the best of them. Seems to like people which is a plus. Dunno about debating chops as he did not distinguish himself much there.
Scott Walkers, Romneys, and many of the other cast show members of the RNC 2016 reality show failed to catch fire because talking about muh conservative, tax cuts, and ignoring amnesty as an issue to keep donors happy, is a really crappy agenda to run on. GWB's legacy of squandering trust in the GOP to competently run national security policy does not help with swing voters.
Look, after Labor Day find one poll that appears to be competently run--it doesn't even matter if it appears biased as long the bias is predictable. Watch the trends from week to week rather than day to day. Day to day polling due to the way that tracking polls do it can have weird random walk fluctuations. Most state polling by reputable firms such as Mason Dixon, etc. that are experienced at this, will generally reflect national trends about one to two weeks later. Beware of new name pollsters that you have never heard of, they may be ok at the national level but probably suck at state level polling regarding likely voter weighting. Remember, many of these polls floating around are media/advocate/advertising for the polling firm type. Stick to the old reliable ones that you recognize the name.
We shall see what events come forth, at this time, it is still anyone's ball game. FWIW, Alan Abramowitz and Helmut Northpol using aggregate prediction models based on historical variables predict Trump as the winner. This apparently disturbed Abramowitz so much that he denounced his own findings. His "2016 time-for-change model predicts a narrow victory for Donald Trump with 51.4% of the major party vote (compared to 48.6% for Hillary Clinton)" Over time, average error was within 1.7 percent of the actual vote) . http://pollyvote.com/en/components/econometric-models/time-for-change-model/
Northpol's model predicted every election since 1912 correctly except 1960 (about 96 percent accuracy). Both are a select group of political scientists that compete every presidential year to predict results. http://primarymodel.com/
Sorry about the long post but I see most political blog/media coverage of polling as bullshit and misleading. It is topped only by the various hacks pulled out periodically by the media to issue stupid commentary based on nothing other than conventional wisdom. There should be media blackouts of such idiots after multiple failures to predict accurately. Similarly, very few of the political journalists that spout opinions on the media ever conducted a poll, mathematically analyzed a poll, nor figured how to triangulate surveys with other means to determine what you don't know.
Posted by: whig at August 18, 2016 03:10 PM (W9kxk)
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I'll swim across a Disney lagoon to vote for Trump.
Posted by: washrivergal at August 18, 2016 03:10 PM (CFc5L)
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I think it's a bit premature to throw up the white flag just yet.
I understand the caveats about polls...but back in 2012, when Rombley was polling so poorly, how many people were attending his campaign events? Compare those numbers, with Trumps. Compare Trump's numbers with Hillary's. He's attracting 10, 20, and 30 thousand. Hillary attracts hundreds.
Without having spent any money on ads, Hillary has not been able to pull away from him. It's a close race, and her lead is rather fragile. All the other candidates are seemingly running against not each other, but solely against Trump...this includes Bill Kristol's vanity candidate, Evan McMuffin.
I know a lot people don't like the way he's running his campaign, or they just don't like Trump. I have my issues with him. I did not vote for him in the primary. But Hillary scares the fuck out of me, and I will enthusiastically support Trump, and vote for Trump this November.
The news, as horrible as it's been the past several months favor Trump, not Hillary. BLM has turned rather spectacularly violent...Hillary embraced the movement, and now they have a hundred million dollars to spend on their 'peaceful' protests between now and November.
Terrorism. Hillary supports open borders, and increasing the number of muslim refugees. Every time a refugee somewhere in the world kills a bunch of innocent people...it will hurt her, not Trump.
I think Trump is just now getting his ground game moving, and Hillary is a target rich environment. We've already had eight years of what Hillary is promising, and I don't get the impression that the country is in the mood for eight more.
I could be wrong. I've been wrong before. But I think this contest is Trump's to win.
I understand the caveats about polls...but back in 2012, when Rombley was polling so poorly, how many people were attending his campaign events? Compare those numbers, with Trumps. Compare Trump's numbers with Hillary's. He's attracting 10, 20, and 30 thousand. Hillary attracts hundreds.
Without having spent any money on ads, Hillary has not been able to pull away from him. It's a close race, and her lead is rather fragile. All the other candidates are seemingly running against not each other, but solely against Trump...this includes Bill Kristol's vanity candidate, Evan McMuffin.
I know a lot people don't like the way he's running his campaign, or they just don't like Trump. I have my issues with him. I did not vote for him in the primary. But Hillary scares the fuck out of me, and I will enthusiastically support Trump, and vote for Trump this November.
The news, as horrible as it's been the past several months favor Trump, not Hillary. BLM has turned rather spectacularly violent...Hillary embraced the movement, and now they have a hundred million dollars to spend on their 'peaceful' protests between now and November.
Terrorism. Hillary supports open borders, and increasing the number of muslim refugees. Every time a refugee somewhere in the world kills a bunch of innocent people...it will hurt her, not Trump.
I think Trump is just now getting his ground game moving, and Hillary is a target rich environment. We've already had eight years of what Hillary is promising, and I don't get the impression that the country is in the mood for eight more.
I could be wrong. I've been wrong before. But I think this contest is Trump's to win.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 18, 2016 03:10 PM (C7Ccr)
Posted by: Grump928(c) reminds you at August 18, 2016 03:10 PM (evdj2)
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372 Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 03:09 PM (d2PUb)
We'll see.
I'm a trained infantryman, I am not overly worried about more Omar Mateens being imported or MS-13.
See you in the funny papers Yector how's thewife husband?
We'll see.
I'm a trained infantryman, I am not overly worried about more Omar Mateens being imported or MS-13.
See you in the funny papers Yector how's the
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:10 PM (SzZnW)
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I hate Poles too. Wait...polls? Nevermind. Zeig Heil!!!
Posted by: adolf at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (1H9ox)
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I'm going to buck the trend here, I don't think Democrats win Presidential elections because of voter fraud.
I almost think that's like when kids say the only reason they lost was the other side were a bunch of cheaters.
I absolutely think Democrats engage in voter fraud, but I think its at the margins and usually in deep blue states that weren't really in contention anyway.
The idea that if Trump loses, its only because of people voting more than once just doesn't match with reality.
I almost think that's like when kids say the only reason they lost was the other side were a bunch of cheaters.
I absolutely think Democrats engage in voter fraud, but I think its at the margins and usually in deep blue states that weren't really in contention anyway.
The idea that if Trump loses, its only because of people voting more than once just doesn't match with reality.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (qX02u)
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Listen, when the Turko-Russian War ignites in 2017 and Iran drops a nuke in Tel Aviv, all of those little Democrats will have to fight a war that Obama and Hillary created. The debts of their mistakes have simply been deferred.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (4AVeu)
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Speaking of pain and suffering, any news about Chavez the Hugo? Pissing blood this morning and went to the doctor.
Bladder infection and elevated bp. Hugo doing ok.
Bladder infection and elevated bp. Hugo doing ok.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (AmeQT)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (IqV8l)
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What do you say now about why he couldn't win his home state?
At least Cruz won his.
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Yes he did. And I voted for him there. I'm just suggesting that the primary and general are different elections just as the presidency and senator are. Trump did beat Rubio in FL. But its possible that Rubio wins in FL in a general where Trump loses. Different positions obviously.
At least Cruz won his.
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Yes he did. And I voted for him there. I'm just suggesting that the primary and general are different elections just as the presidency and senator are. Trump did beat Rubio in FL. But its possible that Rubio wins in FL in a general where Trump loses. Different positions obviously.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (i/pfX)
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America has no problem with Amigo Grande. Its just
you angry old white men who hate anyone with a darker skin. The
rejection of your mindset this November will be beautiful to behold.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 03:09 PM (d2PUb)
that's fantastic. here is A THING: Clinton foundation got hacked, twice. How long before that little bucket of shit is exposed ? not too long, amigo.
you angry old white men who hate anyone with a darker skin. The
rejection of your mindset this November will be beautiful to behold.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 03:09 PM (d2PUb)
that's fantastic. here is A THING: Clinton foundation got hacked, twice. How long before that little bucket of shit is exposed ? not too long, amigo.
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 03:12 PM (c6/9Q)
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And Trump will handily lose New York (his home state) in the General Election.
What exactly does that prove?
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You've got to be frickin kidding me.
Rubio lost his home state while a sitting senator in Florida in the Republican primary - the base.
Trump won New York in the Republican primary - the base.
What exactly does that prove?
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You've got to be frickin kidding me.
Rubio lost his home state while a sitting senator in Florida in the Republican primary - the base.
Trump won New York in the Republican primary - the base.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:12 PM (syAr3)
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Say what you will about George Soros.
He certainly doles out the cash -
Seems the Sorosturfers have arrived.
He certainly doles out the cash -
Seems the Sorosturfers have arrived.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2016 03:12 PM (0cMkb)
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@330 Cruz' spoiled diletante performance at the convention shows that he's probably not that guy.
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Trump doesn't care. Never did. Otherwise he would have offered a fig leaf over the outrageous stuff he said (such as the JFK assassination nonsense) instead of doubling down on it immediately after Cruz dropped out.
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Trump doesn't care. Never did. Otherwise he would have offered a fig leaf over the outrageous stuff he said (such as the JFK assassination nonsense) instead of doubling down on it immediately after Cruz dropped out.
Posted by: junior at August 18, 2016 03:12 PM (mUM5y)
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Will someone mop up hector.
Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2016 03:12 PM (z/Ubi)
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"Sure does seem to be a lot of concern going on in this thread."
Yes. It concerns me.
I think it should concern all of us.
*snaps on sunglasses*
Yes. It concerns me.
I think it should concern all of us.
*snaps on sunglasses*
Posted by: Horatio Caine at August 18, 2016 03:12 PM (evdj2)
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I agree, Hillary wins. The polls ARE rigged, but they are rigged about as much as the election; they represent the margin of fraud included. So until Trump can defeat that consistently -- not impossible, but not at present -- he loses.
Its just ridiculous fantasy to pretend that fraud has no impact on the election. I would love to live in that world, but its simply nonsense. The machine is in place in all 50 states, its just less pronounced in some.
Its just ridiculous fantasy to pretend that fraud has no impact on the election. I would love to live in that world, but its simply nonsense. The machine is in place in all 50 states, its just less pronounced in some.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:12 PM (39g3+)
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Bladder infection and elevated bp. Hugo doing ok.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (AmeQT)
Good news! Thanks for up-date.
Bladder infection and elevated bp. Hugo doing ok.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (AmeQT)
Good news! Thanks for up-date.
Posted by: washrivergal at August 18, 2016 03:13 PM (CFc5L)
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I will forever be amazed at the people though that thought nominating him was a good idea. I'm behind him no question, but the people that thought it was actually a good idea, I'll never understand.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:04 PM (qX02u)
It was the only choice. You go to battle with the army you have. In this case you go to battle with the only general that even remotely sounds like he wants to win.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:04 PM (qX02u)
It was the only choice. You go to battle with the army you have. In this case you go to battle with the only general that even remotely sounds like he wants to win.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 18, 2016 03:13 PM (Ee2nz)
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178 Ace
I am glad you see reality now. You finally realize that pushing this white resentment politics only had a limited appeal. Trump's hiring of Steven Bannon, a man with ties to Alt Right/White Nationalists is confirmation that the Republican party is now run by an alliance of George Wallace Democrats, Birchers and Neo Nazis.
You have pushed this type of ideology that last 4 years and now realize it is a dead end. Glad you are recognizing reality. But you share the blame for what has happens.
Ace, you are. One of the people responsible for the current state of the Republican party. You used this platform t push paranoia and racist stories and created an echo chamber. You are as much responsible for this debacle as Trump is. White Nationalism is not popular in 2016 America.
Throw in the towel, your cause is done.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (d2PUb)
So, when your employer, George Soros, was a kid and went around confiscating the property of his neighbors, you rode shot-gun, right?
I am glad you see reality now. You finally realize that pushing this white resentment politics only had a limited appeal. Trump's hiring of Steven Bannon, a man with ties to Alt Right/White Nationalists is confirmation that the Republican party is now run by an alliance of George Wallace Democrats, Birchers and Neo Nazis.
You have pushed this type of ideology that last 4 years and now realize it is a dead end. Glad you are recognizing reality. But you share the blame for what has happens.
Ace, you are. One of the people responsible for the current state of the Republican party. You used this platform t push paranoia and racist stories and created an echo chamber. You are as much responsible for this debacle as Trump is. White Nationalism is not popular in 2016 America.
Throw in the towel, your cause is done.
Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 02:39 PM (d2PUb)
So, when your employer, George Soros, was a kid and went around confiscating the property of his neighbors, you rode shot-gun, right?
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at August 18, 2016 03:13 PM (oQQwD)
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382 Bladder infection and elevated bp. Hugo doing ok.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (AmeQT)
I'm sure he's relieved.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (AmeQT)
I'm sure he's relieved.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 03:13 PM (9P3OG)
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Looks like I picked the wrong year to not have a heart attack...
Posted by: Captain Whitebread at August 18, 2016 03:13 PM (s7n0C)
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This is actually what it will all come down to. Voter fraud in swing districts in swing states. And the Dem fraud machine is finely honed and well-practiced. They will multiple-vote the fuck out of every polling station with vanloads of winos, and no one will do shit to stop them.
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And the head of the FBI stated publicly that there's nothing Hillary can do that she'd be held accountable for. So full speed ahead on the wino bus!
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And the head of the FBI stated publicly that there's nothing Hillary can do that she'd be held accountable for. So full speed ahead on the wino bus!
Posted by: Farmer Joe, job hunting at August 18, 2016 03:13 PM (27Ws9)
Posted by: Ted Stryker at August 18, 2016 03:13 PM (i/pfX)
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I absolutely think Democrats engage in voter fraud, but I think its at the margins and usually in deep blue states that weren't really in contention anyway.
Consider Christine "Landslide" Gregoire's election as governor of WA. She squeaked by with something like a few hundred votes (IIRC) after they kept "finding" more ballots. In the event, more votes were cast in heavily blue King County (Seattle) than there were registered voters. (Again, IIRC.)
Consider Christine "Landslide" Gregoire's election as governor of WA. She squeaked by with something like a few hundred votes (IIRC) after they kept "finding" more ballots. In the event, more votes were cast in heavily blue King County (Seattle) than there were registered voters. (Again, IIRC.)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 03:13 PM (SRKgf)
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An election season is like winter falling on a lake. Each week that passes, more ice forms -- more votes lock in place, now unchangeably fixed. Each week the flow of the water slows a little more.
Words well spoken are like golden apples on silver settings.
Words well spoken are like golden apples on silver settings.
Posted by: Blacksheep at August 18, 2016 03:14 PM (8/DeP)
Posted by: Language Pedant at August 18, 2016 03:14 PM (mgbwf)
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You've got to be frickin kidding me.
Rubio lost his home state while a sitting senator in Florida in the Republican primary - the base.
Trump won New York in the Republican primary - the base.
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If that is truly meaningful, isn't it also meaningful if Rubio wins his reelection in FL and Trump loses in FL? Does that not suggest that at least in FL, Rubio has some popularity such that he could win a general election there?
Rubio lost his home state while a sitting senator in Florida in the Republican primary - the base.
Trump won New York in the Republican primary - the base.
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If that is truly meaningful, isn't it also meaningful if Rubio wins his reelection in FL and Trump loses in FL? Does that not suggest that at least in FL, Rubio has some popularity such that he could win a general election there?
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:14 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 03:14 PM (9P3OG)
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Trump did beat Rubio in FL. But its possible that Rubio wins in FL in a general where Trump loses. Different positions obviously.
Posted by: SH
I think people in Florida knew it was simply over at that point and didn't want to vote for someone that everyone knew was about to drop out.
But the idea of extrapolating everything from primary contests in pretty silly.
Gerald Ford beat Ronald Reagan in the Presidential primary, that hardly means Gerald Ford was a better contender.
Posted by: SH
I think people in Florida knew it was simply over at that point and didn't want to vote for someone that everyone knew was about to drop out.
But the idea of extrapolating everything from primary contests in pretty silly.
Gerald Ford beat Ronald Reagan in the Presidential primary, that hardly means Gerald Ford was a better contender.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:14 PM (qX02u)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 03:15 PM (i/pfX)
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336 Nixon supported Goldwater. That is why he got the nomination in 68.
We are going to rid ourslves of Cruz in 18, whether Trump wins or loses.
We are going to rid ourslves of Cruz in 18, whether Trump wins or loses.
Posted by: Arkansas Yankee (Never Ever Crooked, Nagging, Lying, Vindictive, Security Risk Hillary) at August 18, 2016 03:15 PM (Je4OY)
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Posted by: Alt Right are losers at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (d2PUb)
Well, if she's only the candidate of 2016, then by the time she's inaugurated, she'll already be holding us back, won't she? So if we're going to vote for a regressive candidate, might as well go all the way back.
Well, if she's only the candidate of 2016, then by the time she's inaugurated, she'll already be holding us back, won't she? So if we're going to vote for a regressive candidate, might as well go all the way back.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 18, 2016 03:15 PM (KUaJL)
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I just don't think I'll be part of it. I think I'll actually be actively working for the Democrats, because if the Elite Geniuses of the GOP think the way to win is by putting Hillary into office to teach the lower-class Trump voters a lesson, they're every inch as much my enemies as Hillary.
And if everyone's equally awful, I might as well align myself with the team that's going to be controlling the persecution powers of government for the next 20 years.
Just so I'm clear, you're gonna pose as a Democrat, but act as an enemy of the Uniparty... Right? Because if not, that sounds a lot like what I think most people who went along with the Nazis said.
And if everyone's equally awful, I might as well align myself with the team that's going to be controlling the persecution powers of government for the next 20 years.
Just so I'm clear, you're gonna pose as a Democrat, but act as an enemy of the Uniparty... Right? Because if not, that sounds a lot like what I think most people who went along with the Nazis said.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 18, 2016 03:15 PM (ADTF7)
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"Sorry about the long post but I see most political blog/media coverage of polling as bullshit and misleading. "
Spot on. Great analysis.
Spot on. Great analysis.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2016 03:15 PM (r1fLd)
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Well then, enjoy President Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:03 PM (BXcJU)
let's all say "Hello!" to the one-name troll. Paid by the word, or by the post?
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:03 PM (BXcJU)
let's all say "Hello!" to the one-name troll. Paid by the word, or by the post?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2016 03:15 PM (oqkO3)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 03:15 PM (evdj2)
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401 I absolutely think Democrats engage in voter fraud, but I think its at the margins and usually in deep blue states that weren't really in contention anyway.
Consider Christine "Landslide" Gregoire's election as governor of WA. She squeaked by with something like a few hundred votes (IIRC) after they kept "finding" more ballots. In the event, more votes were cast in heavily blue King County (Seattle) than there were registered voters. (Again, IIRC.)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 03:13 PM (SRKgf)
The trunk of Al Franken's car is huge. I mean REALLY huge.
Consider Christine "Landslide" Gregoire's election as governor of WA. She squeaked by with something like a few hundred votes (IIRC) after they kept "finding" more ballots. In the event, more votes were cast in heavily blue King County (Seattle) than there were registered voters. (Again, IIRC.)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 03:13 PM (SRKgf)
The trunk of Al Franken's car is huge. I mean REALLY huge.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 03:15 PM (9P3OG)
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Can't we all just get along?
Posted by: Rodney King at August 18, 2016 03:16 PM (Fmupd)
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But the idea of extrapolating everything from primary contests in pretty silly.
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And that was all I was getting at.
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And that was all I was getting at.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:16 PM (gmeXX)
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Funny. I thought Trump was surging too soon. Hillary has to come out and prove she isn't deathly ill. Trump just took a lot of hits but the riots and Hillary looking like death warmed over makes it a toss-up. If Trump goes into November a toss-up he probably wins. Kaine is going to take on more and more importance going forward.
Posted by: cynic at August 18, 2016 03:16 PM (K8FS4)
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forward to Happy Fun Camp. I wonder if they'll have scuba diving. That would be awesome.
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM
You vill learn to stay down longer, & you vill learn to love it!
Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2016 02:34 PM
You vill learn to stay down longer, & you vill learn to love it!
Posted by: Huma at August 18, 2016 03:16 PM (Bllk5)
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"Trump won a plurality in a divided Republican field with the hot wind of the MFM at his back"
He won with more delegates than Romney and he won with the most Republican primary votes IN HISTORY.
He won with more delegates than Romney and he won with the most Republican primary votes IN HISTORY.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:16 PM (syAr3)
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At the end of the day, and at a gut level, I think average people of both parties who are not super invested in the scam are simply tired by now of all the shit. Tired of BLM, tied of PC tired of our celebrity betters telling us how ignorant we are, tired of the fraud, tied of the rigging, tired of everything. All Hillary has is historic first vagina and other than that she's tied into the all that is irritating. Not even evil (though I think that's factual) but irritating. People are irritated and pissed.
I have a feeling, hopefully right, that when the time comes they are going to walk to the polls and say FU. Trump does have to break though the media in the debates through to cement that.
I have a feeling, hopefully right, that when the time comes they are going to walk to the polls and say FU. Trump does have to break though the media in the debates through to cement that.
Posted by: Keith at August 18, 2016 03:17 PM (nFB1w)
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Counterfactuals are always problematic.
Posted by: Grump928(c) uses 50cent words at August 18, 2016 03:17 PM (evdj2)
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>>> Trump hasn't changed his platform one iota. And that was one of the predictions Ace made - that Trump would go left. He didn't, he hasn't.
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You're right. But you left out WHY you are right.
Trump supports federally funded, centralized healthcare, thinks that POTUS has the authority and prestige of a dictatorship, functions on the idea that he knows better that everyone else and, therefore, should be given authority to rule and decide what is best for everyone, feels that it is appropriate to use the force of government to force others to pay for things that they otherwise willingly would not...
Yup. He didn't go left. There is not really anywhere more left to go.
This is not to say that Hillary isn't the one of the Worst People in the World in the Entire History of Forever (she is... one of them). It is a fallacy, however, to pretend that Trump is not distinctly on the left.
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You're right. But you left out WHY you are right.
Trump supports federally funded, centralized healthcare, thinks that POTUS has the authority and prestige of a dictatorship, functions on the idea that he knows better that everyone else and, therefore, should be given authority to rule and decide what is best for everyone, feels that it is appropriate to use the force of government to force others to pay for things that they otherwise willingly would not...
Yup. He didn't go left. There is not really anywhere more left to go.
This is not to say that Hillary isn't the one of the Worst People in the World in the Entire History of Forever (she is... one of them). It is a fallacy, however, to pretend that Trump is not distinctly on the left.
Posted by: Damiano at August 18, 2016 03:17 PM (71OEY)
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If that is truly meaningful, isn't it also meaningful if Rubio wins his reelection in FL and Trump loses in FL? Does that not suggest that at least in FL, Rubio has some popularity such that he could win a general election there?
Posted by: SH
Oh, you won't hear anything about that if that's how it goes down. Rubio will easily be reelected. Basically every poll has Trump losing Florida.
Posted by: SH
Oh, you won't hear anything about that if that's how it goes down. Rubio will easily be reelected. Basically every poll has Trump losing Florida.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:17 PM (qX02u)
418
404 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 18, 2016 03:15 PM (ADTF7)
I discussed this back in 2008 b/c I hate John McCain as much as Obama.
"Plan B" cross parties and use your vote and voice to back the batshit craziest democrat running.
The GOP has made sure I cannot use my vote as a positive influence on policy, so I will use my vote in the future as a negative influence on democrat policy/sanity.
I discussed this back in 2008 b/c I hate John McCain as much as Obama.
"Plan B" cross parties and use your vote and voice to back the batshit craziest democrat running.
The GOP has made sure I cannot use my vote as a positive influence on policy, so I will use my vote in the future as a negative influence on democrat policy/sanity.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:17 PM (SzZnW)
419
Consider Christine "Landslide" Gregoire's election as governor of WA. She squeaked by with something like a few hundred votes (IIRC) after they kept "finding" more ballots. In the event, more votes were cast in heavily blue King County (Seattle) than there were registered voters. (Again, IIRC.)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 03:13 PM (SRKgf)
The trunk of Al Franken's car is huge. I mean REALLY huge.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 03:15 PM (9P3OG)
Isn't there analysis done somewhere that looks shows that close elections almost always end up going towards the democrats? If it's close, you'd expect it to be a flip of a coin, but the elections break that way way more than statistics would suggest.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 03:13 PM (SRKgf)
The trunk of Al Franken's car is huge. I mean REALLY huge.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 03:15 PM (9P3OG)
Isn't there analysis done somewhere that looks shows that close elections almost always end up going towards the democrats? If it's close, you'd expect it to be a flip of a coin, but the elections break that way way more than statistics would suggest.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 18, 2016 03:17 PM (KUaJL)
420
I must say that the thought of us all joining the Democrat party and causing chaos within it sounds mighty intriguing.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 18, 2016 03:18 PM (DDM7c)
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at August 18, 2016 03:18 PM (pldrX)
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If that is truly meaningful, isn't it also meaningful if Rubio wins his reelection in FL and Trump loses in FL? Does that not suggest that at least in FL, Rubio has some popularity such that he could win a general election there?
No.
Cruz won Texas. Lost his ass nationally. Will probably win re-election to Senate.
What does that mean? Not. A. Damn. Thing.
No.
Cruz won Texas. Lost his ass nationally. Will probably win re-election to Senate.
What does that mean? Not. A. Damn. Thing.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:18 PM (AmeQT)
423
And I want to add this: I don't think the polls are rigged. I think the polls are outright lying propaganda intended to demoralize. Every other aspect of the media is fully weaponized for Tia Borracha, but polling is pure and done with integrity ?
Puh-leeze.
Puh-leeze.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 18, 2016 03:18 PM (gUoN4)
424
Isn't there analysis done somewhere that looks shows that close elections almost always end up going towards the democrats? If it's close, you'd expect it to be a flip of a coin, but the elections break that way way more than statistics would suggest.
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Even coin flips go the establishment democrat way.
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Even coin flips go the establishment democrat way.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 18, 2016 03:18 PM (7ZVPa)
425
Compare those numbers, with Trumps. Compare Trump's numbers with Hillary's. He's attracting 10, 20, and 30 thousand. Hillary attracts hundreds.
All that tells me is that Trump's supporters are more enthusiastic about him than Hillary's are about her.
But at the end of the day, a reluctant or unenthusiastic Hillary supporter is still a Hillary voter.
All that tells me is that Trump's supporters are more enthusiastic about him than Hillary's are about her.
But at the end of the day, a reluctant or unenthusiastic Hillary supporter is still a Hillary voter.
Posted by: Gran at August 18, 2016 03:19 PM (XIXhw)
426
I really don't care that Trump doesn't tow the line on every conservative issue, he's center-right on the issues, anyone with half a brain can tell that. he sounds more conservative than just about any conservative I can remember running in a long time.
It's almost though as if Trump self-sabotages his campaign and just never wanted it to go this far.
It's almost though as if Trump self-sabotages his campaign and just never wanted it to go this far.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:19 PM (qX02u)
427
"But the idea of extrapolating everything from primary contests in pretty silly."
Yeah, because Rubio won a total of how many states in the primary? One? Minnesota.
Yeah, he was a real winner.
Yeah, because Rubio won a total of how many states in the primary? One? Minnesota.
Yeah, he was a real winner.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:19 PM (syAr3)
428
Florida had to have had fraud in 2012. Polling had Romney up over the margin of error and Florida just elected a Tea Party Senator and Republican governor . Not only did Romney lose he got killed. As well as the very popular Colonel West. Changing his district would not have resulted in the margin of his loss.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 03:20 PM (cLMWw)
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Ace, you are speaking for me, exactly. Not sure what it all means yet, but it feels like the threshold of LIB.
Maybe candidates who run as Democrats, and hollow it out from the inside? Kind of like what has been happening to Republicans for the last 30 years or so?
Maybe candidates who run as Democrats, and hollow it out from the inside? Kind of like what has been happening to Republicans for the last 30 years or so?
Posted by: Me at August 18, 2016 03:20 PM (RYASC)
430
I dunno. I think this MacGuffin fella in Utah makes a lot of sense. Good, common, conservative sense.
Posted by: Typical Establishment Guy at August 18, 2016 03:20 PM (2Mnv1)
431
It's "Sieg" (victory). "Zeig" is the imperative "show".
So "Zeig Elbows" is the correct Horde shibboleth?
So "Zeig Elbows" is the correct Horde shibboleth?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 18, 2016 03:21 PM (Bllk5)
432
We are going to rid ourslves of Cruz in 18, whether Trump wins or loses.
Posted by: Arkansas Yankee (Never Ever Crooked, Nagging, Lying, Vindictive, Security Risk Hillary) at August 18, 2016 03:15 PM (Je4OY)
Yeah, let's get that jerk! And let's get Mike Lee too, just for good measure. In fact, let's all applaud as the GOPe and the new Trump news network team up to banish all vestiges of Constitutionalism! Because we're against the establishment and do exactly what they tell us!
Posted by: Arkansas Yankee (Never Ever Crooked, Nagging, Lying, Vindictive, Security Risk Hillary) at August 18, 2016 03:15 PM (Je4OY)
Yeah, let's get that jerk! And let's get Mike Lee too, just for good measure. In fact, let's all applaud as the GOPe and the new Trump news network team up to banish all vestiges of Constitutionalism! Because we're against the establishment and do exactly what they tell us!
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 18, 2016 03:21 PM (mFkVC)
433
"My Easy Embargo of the GOP and what I mean by that" -Ace, in mid-November 2016
Posted by: reform highlander at August 18, 2016 03:21 PM (jCH/T)
434
this is the problem we are not recognizing:
the GOP is NOT a party for conservatives of any variation.
The GOP is a political party. At it's national level, it supports center left policy. It lies to its voters over and over again. (maybe your local GOP does things your way; that's fine, but if you want to judge the treason and the corruption of the GOP as a whole based upon your local interaction, that's something else).
It is our fault that we have let the GOP "speak" for conservatism while we failed to note it's knives in our back, over and over again.
the GOP is NOT a party for conservatives of any variation.
The GOP is a political party. At it's national level, it supports center left policy. It lies to its voters over and over again. (maybe your local GOP does things your way; that's fine, but if you want to judge the treason and the corruption of the GOP as a whole based upon your local interaction, that's something else).
It is our fault that we have let the GOP "speak" for conservatism while we failed to note it's knives in our back, over and over again.
Posted by: Grad School Fool at August 18, 2016 03:21 PM (swEzU)
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:21 PM (AmeQT)
436
I don't think there is going to be a presidential candidate debate this time. If there actually is one, it will be in some strange format that protects Hillary from exposure of her mental lapses and physical problems -- prerecorded and edited, short segments sitting at a table with lots of breaks, smething like that.
Life in the devoloping American police state after Hillary's coronation and subsequent vengeance rampage --what will that be like? How to get by in a permanently depressed economy and engineered third world shithole? Targeted by Federal and state agencies for speaking out of turn, taxed into poverty even if yoy have a job...
And whether to submit to Leviathan, or pledge "our lives, our fortunes, our sacred honor" to its overthrow.
Zero FBI agents have resigned in wake of the Clinton e-mail travesty. Zero.
Zero IRS employees have been indicted. Zero.
Illegal goverment databases with personal information on citizens keep turning up. Obvious illegal access of person medical records are occurring. In NJ a social worker turned up at someone's door with two cops because 'our records indicate' there are firearms in the house, and that a parent is taking antidepressants, remember that? What records? What fucking records are those? We are all Joe the Plumber now.
Some thought about this is required.
Life in the devoloping American police state after Hillary's coronation and subsequent vengeance rampage --what will that be like? How to get by in a permanently depressed economy and engineered third world shithole? Targeted by Federal and state agencies for speaking out of turn, taxed into poverty even if yoy have a job...
And whether to submit to Leviathan, or pledge "our lives, our fortunes, our sacred honor" to its overthrow.
Zero FBI agents have resigned in wake of the Clinton e-mail travesty. Zero.
Zero IRS employees have been indicted. Zero.
Illegal goverment databases with personal information on citizens keep turning up. Obvious illegal access of person medical records are occurring. In NJ a social worker turned up at someone's door with two cops because 'our records indicate' there are firearms in the house, and that a parent is taking antidepressants, remember that? What records? What fucking records are those? We are all Joe the Plumber now.
Some thought about this is required.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 18, 2016 03:22 PM (/f6Nd)
437
He didn't go left. There is not really anywhere more left to go.
I get what you're saying and suspect you're exaggerating for effect here because only a political imbecile would think Donald Trump could not possibly be more leftist.
Cruz won Texas. Lost his ass nationally. Will probably win re-election to Senate.
Maybe, supposedly Perry is ahead of him in polling right now.
I get what you're saying and suspect you're exaggerating for effect here because only a political imbecile would think Donald Trump could not possibly be more leftist.
Cruz won Texas. Lost his ass nationally. Will probably win re-election to Senate.
Maybe, supposedly Perry is ahead of him in polling right now.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:22 PM (39g3+)
438
"It's almost though as if Trump self-sabotages his campaign and just never wanted it to go this far."
Delusional at best.
Delusional at best.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:22 PM (syAr3)
439
I honestly admit I can't imagine what happens to the GOP after the Trumpsterfire goes down in flames.
Reconciliation between the Chamber-of-Commerce GOP leadership and the 'Forever-Screwed-by-the-Chamber-of-Commerce' base seems unlikely. Maybe Hillary is so bad the GOP wins back Congress in 2018 and then continues as the Party of Kabuki Opposition and Passive Collaboration.
Yeah, that's probably what happens.
What is certain is that whatever the Hillarycrat majority passes in the first two years will.... like Obamacare, Amnesty, and the Iran Nuclear Treaty... be considered 'The Law of the Land," and Republicans will do nothing to repeal it.
Reconciliation between the Chamber-of-Commerce GOP leadership and the 'Forever-Screwed-by-the-Chamber-of-Commerce' base seems unlikely. Maybe Hillary is so bad the GOP wins back Congress in 2018 and then continues as the Party of Kabuki Opposition and Passive Collaboration.
Yeah, that's probably what happens.
What is certain is that whatever the Hillarycrat majority passes in the first two years will.... like Obamacare, Amnesty, and the Iran Nuclear Treaty... be considered 'The Law of the Land," and Republicans will do nothing to repeal it.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 03:22 PM (O7MnT)
440
Yeah, because Rubio won a total of how many states in the primary? One? Minnesota.
Yeah, he was a real winner.
Posted by: Fuq the media
So is it the primary or the General Election that determines who sits in the White House?
Yep, Trump beat a lot of Republicans and spent very little doing it, it was the rest of his plan of then actually winning the REAL election that I'm worried about.
It was a protest vote, and I'm guessing now that the protest part is over, its just about going through the motions.
Yeah, he was a real winner.
Posted by: Fuq the media
So is it the primary or the General Election that determines who sits in the White House?
Yep, Trump beat a lot of Republicans and spent very little doing it, it was the rest of his plan of then actually winning the REAL election that I'm worried about.
It was a protest vote, and I'm guessing now that the protest part is over, its just about going through the motions.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (qX02u)
441
>>> He won with more delegates than Romney and he won with the most Republican primary votes IN HISTORY.
....
Yet he never got more than 50% of the vote. He averaged around 40%.... a MINORITY. 60% of all primary votes went to Persons Who Are Not Trump and got split around 3- 16 different ways.
Your talking points from the Trump website are cute and all but they fail to represent the facts that:
1. Trump LOST 60% of the vote in the primaries
2. He was, and continues to be, the only candidate who has consistently lost to Hilary (and Bernie) in every poll.
....
Yet he never got more than 50% of the vote. He averaged around 40%.... a MINORITY. 60% of all primary votes went to Persons Who Are Not Trump and got split around 3- 16 different ways.
Your talking points from the Trump website are cute and all but they fail to represent the facts that:
1. Trump LOST 60% of the vote in the primaries
2. He was, and continues to be, the only candidate who has consistently lost to Hilary (and Bernie) in every poll.
Posted by: Damiano at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (71OEY)
442
436 Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 18, 2016 03:22 PM (/f6Nd)
We're going to eat a nuke in the next 8-24 years, bank on it.
We're going to eat a nuke in the next 8-24 years, bank on it.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (SzZnW)
443
If that is truly meaningful, isn't it also meaningful if Rubio wins his reelection in FL and Trump loses in FL? Does that not suggest that at least in FL, Rubio has some popularity such that he could win a general election there?
No.
Cruz won Texas. Lost his ass nationally. Will probably win re-election to Senate.
What does that mean? Not. A. Damn. Thing.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:18 PM (AmeQT)
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That's probably true. Just as it is equally true that winning a plurality in a very divided field does not mean that you are the best candidate for a general election. I'm just not sure you can have it one way.
Trump won - not because he was the plurality leader - but because he received the most delegates. That's fine, that's the system. It really says no more and no less than just that.
No.
Cruz won Texas. Lost his ass nationally. Will probably win re-election to Senate.
What does that mean? Not. A. Damn. Thing.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:18 PM (AmeQT)
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That's probably true. Just as it is equally true that winning a plurality in a very divided field does not mean that you are the best candidate for a general election. I'm just not sure you can have it one way.
Trump won - not because he was the plurality leader - but because he received the most delegates. That's fine, that's the system. It really says no more and no less than just that.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (gmeXX)
444
I think Ace is just pouting because Allahpundit made Wikileaks and he didn't...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (AGV4N)
445
"Hey man....isn't the election coming up soon? Or is that next year? I'm pretty sure it's the same year as the Olympics.
I heard Trump is running. That's crazy...yeah, the You're Fired guy.
I think one of the Clintons is running too. Unless Obama runs again but I heard he is buying an NBA team and running the UN.
Anyway, did you catch a new Pokemon today?
I heard Trump is running. That's crazy...yeah, the You're Fired guy.
I think one of the Clintons is running too. Unless Obama runs again but I heard he is buying an NBA team and running the UN.
Anyway, did you catch a new Pokemon today?
Posted by: One side of a too typical conversation in this country at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (1H9ox)
446
The hanging chad state?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:21 PM (AmeQT)
alt-left learned their lessons, after a massive nervous breakdown after 2000 election, and made some....adjustment
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:21 PM (AmeQT)
alt-left learned their lessons, after a massive nervous breakdown after 2000 election, and made some....adjustment
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (c6/9Q)
447
400 If Reagan had been nominated in 76 he would never have won. The party would have split. Carter was the second last fling of the Southern Democrats. He would have beaten Reagan in the south. in the anti Republican year of 76. Reagan only won Mississippi by 12,000 in 80. The Senate would not have flipped in 76. 80 was the year of Reagan never 76.. How lucky we were.
Posted by: Arkansas Yankee (Never Ever Crooked, Nagging, Lying, Vindictive, Security Risk Hillary) at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (Je4OY)
Posted by: Liburty Muchual at August 18, 2016 03:24 PM (Bllk5)
449
Cruz won Texas. Lost his ass nationally. Will probably win re-election to Senate.
Maybe, supposedly Perry is ahead of him in polling right now.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
if a big name stepped up, Cruz would be gone. Perry would easily beat him.
Maybe, supposedly Perry is ahead of him in polling right now.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
if a big name stepped up, Cruz would be gone. Perry would easily beat him.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:24 PM (qX02u)
450
I think Ace is just pouting because Allahpundit made Wikileaks and he didn't...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (AGV4N)
????
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (AGV4N)
????
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 03:24 PM (c6/9Q)
451
Yet he never got more than 50% of the vote. He averaged around 40%.... a MINORITY. 60% of all primary votes went to Persons Who Are Not Trump and got split around 3- 16 different ways.
....
Honest question. How many times in the past has there been that many candidates for that long?
....
Honest question. How many times in the past has there been that many candidates for that long?
Posted by: ajmojo at August 18, 2016 03:24 PM (1H9ox)
452
Why? People assume that Trump is going to kill the GOP one way or another. That strikes me as silly. And yes, the GOP is doing well. The strength of a party should be measured by how many positions it holds plus the value of those positions. By that measure, the party is doing well. The only position of value it does not hold is President.
None of this is to suggest that the party is of value to you or me or conservatives or nationalists or any other group. Just to suggest that the party is not doomed.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:00 PM (gmeXX)
All sorts of things collapse when they look to be at the peak of their power. The GOP is a hollow shell because their base is gone due to them leaving it for the CoC. Eventually that is going to show up at the more local level. They are going to start bleeding House and Senate seats because they offer nothing.
None of this is to suggest that the party is of value to you or me or conservatives or nationalists or any other group. Just to suggest that the party is not doomed.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:00 PM (gmeXX)
All sorts of things collapse when they look to be at the peak of their power. The GOP is a hollow shell because their base is gone due to them leaving it for the CoC. Eventually that is going to show up at the more local level. They are going to start bleeding House and Senate seats because they offer nothing.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (Ee2nz)
453
Posted by: whig at August 18, 2016 03:10 PM (W9kxk)
Thank you for an insightful and well-written post. Some "inside baseball" on the matter of polling.
Thank you for an insightful and well-written post. Some "inside baseball" on the matter of polling.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (oqkO3)
454
Trump won - not because he was the plurality leader - but because he received the most delegates. That's fine, that's the system. It really says no more and no less than just that.
But this would be true no matter who won. Right?
But this would be true no matter who won. Right?
Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (tewYv)
455
"1. Trump LOST 60% of the vote in the primaries
2. He was, and continues to be, the only candidate who has consistently lost to Hilary (and Bernie) in every poll.
Posted by: Damiano at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (71OEY)"
Please direct us to the candidate that lost less than 60% of the vote, so we can case ballots for that person. Is that you Baseballcrank?
2. He was, and continues to be, the only candidate who has consistently lost to Hilary (and Bernie) in every poll.
Posted by: Damiano at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (71OEY)"
Please direct us to the candidate that lost less than 60% of the vote, so we can case ballots for that person. Is that you Baseballcrank?
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (Uy8SG)
456
I get what you're saying and suspect you're exaggerating for effect here because only a political imbecile would think Donald Trump could not possibly be more leftist.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:22 PM (39g3+)
Actually, on trade, it would be pretty hard for Trump to go much further left. If I understand correctly, the only modern economists who support his enthusiasm for protectionism are the most ideological of Marxists.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:22 PM (39g3+)
Actually, on trade, it would be pretty hard for Trump to go much further left. If I understand correctly, the only modern economists who support his enthusiasm for protectionism are the most ideological of Marxists.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (mFkVC)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (cLMWw)
458
We are all being punished for Trump upsetting the Apple cart filled with Trillions and Trillions of dollars. Trump is not a member of The Club. The Club, I.e. the Uniparty, are both guilty of crimes against this country, its citizens, and the rule of law.
If Trump was performing as terrible as we are told, then why in the hell does he have every in power running around like a blue flame burned the insides of their anus.
People are justifiablely frightened of the prospects of a diseased psychotic vegetable winning being the face of the status quo and the rotten system.
People are frightened because if Trump wins their will be change. People don't like change. People don't like losing decades worth of dollars from grift and graft. People don't like the very real prospects of crimes and lies being exposed.
It is binary.
If Trump was performing as terrible as we are told, then why in the hell does he have every in power running around like a blue flame burned the insides of their anus.
People are justifiablely frightened of the prospects of a diseased psychotic vegetable winning being the face of the status quo and the rotten system.
People are frightened because if Trump wins their will be change. People don't like change. People don't like losing decades worth of dollars from grift and graft. People don't like the very real prospects of crimes and lies being exposed.
It is binary.
Posted by: Cactus of Liberty. at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (WqEER)
459
439 Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 03:22 PM (O7MnT)
Perhaps you misunderstand a lot of us wary #NeverHillary types...
once the Billy Dee Kristol GOP costs us 2016 I will vote straight ticket D with the same ferocity I have never once voted for a democrat in my life.
If party discipline is a one way street I withdraw from the party.
Perhaps you misunderstand a lot of us wary #NeverHillary types...
once the Billy Dee Kristol GOP costs us 2016 I will vote straight ticket D with the same ferocity I have never once voted for a democrat in my life.
If party discipline is a one way street I withdraw from the party.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (SzZnW)
460
"offered a fig leaf over the outrageous stuff he said "
Trump is going after Hillary's voters. If he gets 10% of them he wins. Trump can't win the way W did. The GOPe and the big donors being against him could be a positive. Still in doubt but it will depend as much on Hillary as Trump. Hillary needs Bill to drop dead in a way that would inspire her base to come out and vote for her. That is her only sure path.
Trump is going after Hillary's voters. If he gets 10% of them he wins. Trump can't win the way W did. The GOPe and the big donors being against him could be a positive. Still in doubt but it will depend as much on Hillary as Trump. Hillary needs Bill to drop dead in a way that would inspire her base to come out and vote for her. That is her only sure path.
Posted by: cynic at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (K8FS4)
461
if a big name stepped up, Cruz would be gone. Perry would easily beat him.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:24 PM (qX02u)
Can I have some of what you're smoking?
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:24 PM (qX02u)
Can I have some of what you're smoking?
Posted by: spypeach at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (nyYhO)
462
if a big name stepped up, Cruz would be gone. Perry would easily beat him.
I guess he'll retire and have to listen to his dad's stories about helping Oswald plug Kennedy.
if a big name stepped up, Cruz would be gone. Perry would easily beat him.
I guess he'll retire and have to listen to his dad's stories about helping Oswald plug Kennedy.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (O7MnT)
463
if a big name stepped up, Cruz would be gone. Perry would easily beat him.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:24 PM (qX02u)
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I don't think that is true. If the election were held now - maybe. But I doubt Perry is able to beat Cruz in a primary.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:24 PM (qX02u)
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I don't think that is true. If the election were held now - maybe. But I doubt Perry is able to beat Cruz in a primary.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:26 PM (gmeXX)
464
Trump won - not because he was the plurality leader -
but because he received the most delegates. That's fine, that's the
system. It really says no more and no less than just that.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (gmeXX)
he did. he had plurality and delegates.
but because he received the most delegates. That's fine, that's the
system. It really says no more and no less than just that.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:23 PM (gmeXX)
he did. he had plurality and delegates.
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 03:26 PM (c6/9Q)
465
By the way I'm really skeptical of this "frozen lake" theory of elections. Maybe that was true 20 years ago? But today everyone seems to make decisions based on the last 4 hours of news and information they got. What is so critically, enragingly important today, is forgotten a week later.
Quick, what was last week's big outrage? Without looking. The thing that had you stomping mad, gritting your teeth, hoping you didn't rage stroke? Do you even remember what it was?
That's how everyone is these days. It all moves so fast you can't keep up. A campaign is pretty much last minute these days.
Quick, what was last week's big outrage? Without looking. The thing that had you stomping mad, gritting your teeth, hoping you didn't rage stroke? Do you even remember what it was?
That's how everyone is these days. It all moves so fast you can't keep up. A campaign is pretty much last minute these days.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:26 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Language Pedant at August 18, 2016 03:26 PM (mgbwf)
467
Stop voting for Saviors and take responsibility for your own life.
Posted by: Damiano at August 18, 2016 02:58 PM (71OEY)
I'd settle for a reasonably intelligent, decent human being with a strong executive-level decision-making background.
But no, we can't have that, either.
Posted by: Damiano at August 18, 2016 02:58 PM (71OEY)
I'd settle for a reasonably intelligent, decent human being with a strong executive-level decision-making background.
But no, we can't have that, either.
Posted by: troyriser at August 18, 2016 03:26 PM (OGbEB)
468
If Reagan had been nominated in 76 he would never have won. The party would have split. Carter was the second last fling of the Southern Democrats. He would have beaten Reagan in the south. in the anti Republican year of 76. Reagan only won Mississippi by 12,000 in 80. The Senate would not have flipped in 76. 80 was the year of Reagan never 76.. How lucky we were.
Posted by: Arkansas Yankee
I do think elections are mostly about timing.
Reagan would have probably squeaked a win in '76 had he been nominated, I believe that election came down to 1 vote per precinct and the Watergate pardon drug Gerald Ford down.
Plus, Gerald Ford was an awful politician
But who knows
Posted by: Arkansas Yankee
I do think elections are mostly about timing.
Reagan would have probably squeaked a win in '76 had he been nominated, I believe that election came down to 1 vote per precinct and the Watergate pardon drug Gerald Ford down.
Plus, Gerald Ford was an awful politician
But who knows
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:26 PM (qX02u)
469
9 It's cute that you think there's actually going to be an election.
Posted by: Jabari
This.
Something that can't go on forever, won't. Prepare accordingly. (h/t Instapundit)
Posted by: Jabari
This.
Something that can't go on forever, won't. Prepare accordingly. (h/t Instapundit)
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 18, 2016 03:26 PM (PoDZH)
470
Bladder infection and elevated bp. Hugo doing ok.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (AmeQT)
Good. No fun for him, but he will recover.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:11 PM (AmeQT)
Good. No fun for him, but he will recover.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2016 03:26 PM (oqkO3)
471
If the Democratic Party is symbolically the Harlem Globetrotters, and the Republican Party is symbolically the Washington Generals, I elect to follow another sport after 2016 if the results are going to be the same.
"Survival mode" may be the subtitle of a lot of right-of-center blogs in the near future (to include my own) if we don't get it right on Election Night.
If this feeling in my gut is what it was like for the Israelites prior to entering the desert for 40 years, I shudder for the future.
"Survival mode" may be the subtitle of a lot of right-of-center blogs in the near future (to include my own) if we don't get it right on Election Night.
If this feeling in my gut is what it was like for the Israelites prior to entering the desert for 40 years, I shudder for the future.
Posted by: itzWicks at August 18, 2016 03:27 PM (Ql1ja)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 18, 2016 03:27 PM (gUoN4)
473
It's "tow the line".
Posted by: Language Pedant at August 18, 2016 03:26 PM (mgbwf)
Not true, it's actually "tow the line".
Posted by: Language Pedant at August 18, 2016 03:26 PM (mgbwf)
Not true, it's actually "tow the line".
Posted by: Gran at August 18, 2016 03:27 PM (XIXhw)
474
yes good idea, lets talk about the primaries
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 03:27 PM (c6/9Q)
475
You all can still make fun of me but I still believe that Trump has no intention of winning in November. He is on the Clinton's payroll and will deliver her the win. He will say oh well, it was a good run and at some point down the road the Clinton Global Initiative will compensate Donald in some way of his choosing. You wait, you'll see.
Posted by: Jaimo at August 18, 2016 03:27 PM (9U1OG)
476
that was sarcasm
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 03:27 PM (c6/9Q)
477
My small state has some conservatives but is dominated population wise by a large city and has gradally morphed irrevocably and totally blue.
It wasn't always this way, there were Republican governors and other officeholders who were pretty popular back in the 80's.
Now it is essentially a one party (Democrat) state with some very token resistance from the State GOP.
The tipping point was reached a while back. Going forward I see the country being run by a dominant one party (Democrat) system with the R's scrabbling over scraps at the table.
I hate to see you throw in the towel, Ace, but I get it. I generally keep my head down and do my job, and have managed to build a good life for my family, and have a son with his head screwed on straight. If I tossed aside my friends who are Democrats I would have very, very few friends left.
I sure could not criticize you, who are much more visible and therefor vulnerable, or anyone else for doing likewise.
It wasn't always this way, there were Republican governors and other officeholders who were pretty popular back in the 80's.
Now it is essentially a one party (Democrat) state with some very token resistance from the State GOP.
The tipping point was reached a while back. Going forward I see the country being run by a dominant one party (Democrat) system with the R's scrabbling over scraps at the table.
I hate to see you throw in the towel, Ace, but I get it. I generally keep my head down and do my job, and have managed to build a good life for my family, and have a son with his head screwed on straight. If I tossed aside my friends who are Democrats I would have very, very few friends left.
I sure could not criticize you, who are much more visible and therefor vulnerable, or anyone else for doing likewise.
Posted by: RM at August 18, 2016 03:27 PM (U3LtS)
478
by: Cactus of Liberty. at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (WqEER)
That sounds like the argument the LGBT uses against people who criticize the homosexual agenda. You're all homophobic!!!!
That sounds like the argument the LGBT uses against people who criticize the homosexual agenda. You're all homophobic!!!!
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 03:27 PM (cLMWw)
479
All sorts of things collapse when they look to be at the peak of their power. The GOP is a hollow shell because their base is gone due to them leaving it for the CoC. Eventually that is going to show up at the more local level. They are going to start bleeding House and Senate seats because they offer nothing.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (Ee2nz)
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I don't disagree that some things collapse when it looks like they are peak power. But I just don't think it likely that the GOP is going to collapse. For one, it is actually getting stuff done at the state level. So while the GOP in Congress may offer little, there are portions of the GOP that are actually accomplishing things.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (Ee2nz)
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I don't disagree that some things collapse when it looks like they are peak power. But I just don't think it likely that the GOP is going to collapse. For one, it is actually getting stuff done at the state level. So while the GOP in Congress may offer little, there are portions of the GOP that are actually accomplishing things.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:28 PM (gmeXX)
480
"I think it's a bit premature to throw up the white flag just yet."
But that's what Republican losers do. Just out of habit, they throw their candidates under the bus and get ready to fly the loser flag just so they can fulfill their loser self fulfilling prophesies.
They also fall for every media trick in the book including online psy-ops.
But that's what Republican losers do. Just out of habit, they throw their candidates under the bus and get ready to fly the loser flag just so they can fulfill their loser self fulfilling prophesies.
They also fall for every media trick in the book including online psy-ops.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:28 PM (syAr3)
481
I don't think that is true. If the election were held now - maybe. But I doubt Perry is able to beat Cruz in a primary.
Posted by: SH
If Trump gets involved and endorses somebody big, I would not want to take a bet on that.
It will definitely not be the usual cakewalk
Posted by: SH
If Trump gets involved and endorses somebody big, I would not want to take a bet on that.
It will definitely not be the usual cakewalk
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:28 PM (qX02u)
482
You all can still make fun of me but I still believe
that Trump has no intention of winning in November. He is on the
Clinton's payroll and will deliver her the win. He will say oh well, it
was a good run and at some point down the road the Clinton Global
Initiative will compensate Donald in some way of his choosing. You wait,
you'll see.
Posted by: Jaimo at August 18, 2016 03:27 PM (9U1OG)
ok. I will wait. thanks.
that Trump has no intention of winning in November. He is on the
Clinton's payroll and will deliver her the win. He will say oh well, it
was a good run and at some point down the road the Clinton Global
Initiative will compensate Donald in some way of his choosing. You wait,
you'll see.
Posted by: Jaimo at August 18, 2016 03:27 PM (9U1OG)
ok. I will wait. thanks.
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 03:28 PM (c6/9Q)
483
How many people here actually think that Trump wouldn't try and expand the power of the federal gov't in general, and of the executive in particular, if elected.
Really, how many people would trust that he wouldn't?
Really, how many people would trust that he wouldn't?
Posted by: HiHo at August 18, 2016 03:28 PM (CPk08)
484
Parties survive bad candidates. The GOP survived Bob Dole. Democrats survived Mondale.
Parties don't survive schisms.
I don't even know what to call the splitters in this one. Will and Kristol don't have a definable faction. But whether Trump wins or loses, the GOP will never be the same.
Parties don't survive schisms.
I don't even know what to call the splitters in this one. Will and Kristol don't have a definable faction. But whether Trump wins or loses, the GOP will never be the same.
Posted by: blaster at August 18, 2016 03:28 PM (tewYv)
485
Perry would easily beat him easily.
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You mean Rick "Romney is heartless on illegal immigration" Perry?
For some odd reason, that doesn't exactly instill a lot of confidence in me.
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You mean Rick "Romney is heartless on illegal immigration" Perry?
For some odd reason, that doesn't exactly instill a lot of confidence in me.
Posted by: junior at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (mUM5y)
Posted by: Language Pedant at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (mgbwf)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (evdj2)
488
Posted by: Cactus of Liberty. at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (WqEER)
Trump is a corrupt grifter, by his own admission.
Posted by: Cactus of Liberty. at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (WqEER)
Trump is a corrupt grifter, by his own admission.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (BXcJU)
489
"if a big name stepped up, Cruz would be gone. Perry would easily beat him."
I'll just say, that the guy lost a lot of respect and credit in my eyes. Just me. I could vote for Rick.
I'll just say, that the guy lost a lot of respect and credit in my eyes. Just me. I could vote for Rick.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (i/pfX)
490
Trump LOST 60% of the vote in the primaries
2. He was, and continues to be, the only candidate who has consistently lost to Hilary (and Bernie) in every poll.
This is just silly. Its like the people that counted how many people didn't vote in 2004 as against Bush. See, he only got like 30% of the popular vote!! People hate him! You don't count elections by adding up all the total votes and seeing who got the most. You count elections by seeing who got the largest margin in each vote.
And its just ignorant to say Trump is losing in every poll. You can find polls every week that have him over Hillary. It is either simply a lie or idiotic to claim otherwise.
2. He was, and continues to be, the only candidate who has consistently lost to Hilary (and Bernie) in every poll.
This is just silly. Its like the people that counted how many people didn't vote in 2004 as against Bush. See, he only got like 30% of the popular vote!! People hate him! You don't count elections by adding up all the total votes and seeing who got the most. You count elections by seeing who got the largest margin in each vote.
And its just ignorant to say Trump is losing in every poll. You can find polls every week that have him over Hillary. It is either simply a lie or idiotic to claim otherwise.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (39g3+)
491
I haver no idea what Ace is saying. It seems to be to be a pretty irrational rant? Threatening to vote democratic?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (Ozsfq)
492
"Reagan would have probably squeaked a win in '76 had he been nominated, I believe that election came down to 1 vote per precinct and the Watergate pardon drug Gerald Ford down. Plus, Gerald Ford was an awful politician"
For want of a nail, the shoe was lost ...
Ford lost because the New York Daily News ran the headline "Ford to NYC: Drop Dead!" He lost NYS by only 50,000 votes which was a a big swing in the electoral college and more than enough to be decisive.
Little things can matter.
For want of a nail, the shoe was lost ...
Ford lost because the New York Daily News ran the headline "Ford to NYC: Drop Dead!" He lost NYS by only 50,000 votes which was a a big swing in the electoral college and more than enough to be decisive.
Little things can matter.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (r1fLd)
493
Originally it was Toe the Scratch.
Posted by: Grump928(c) super pedant at August 18, 2016 03:30 PM (evdj2)
494
Brattleboro calls upon everyone to vote for Hillary Robman Clinton for Presdent this November. Don't votes for Trump because he lies and does not like persons of different colors.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, Vt at August 18, 2016 03:30 PM (NuElX)
495
491 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (Ozsfq)
It's not a threat it is survival mode for a NY lawyer.
I am going to be freed of a lot of self-masochistic loyalty this fall.
It's not a threat it is survival mode for a NY lawyer.
I am going to be freed of a lot of self-masochistic loyalty this fall.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:31 PM (SzZnW)
496
"Trump won - not because he was the plurality leader -
but because he received the most delegates. That's fine, that's the
system. It really says no more and no less than just that. "
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He also received the most Republican primary votes in history. In history - let that sink in.
but because he received the most delegates. That's fine, that's the
system. It really says no more and no less than just that. "
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He also received the most Republican primary votes in history. In history - let that sink in.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:31 PM (syAr3)
497
I just want my favorite site on the internetz back to the way it used to be, when I enjoyed the hell out of commenting here. This is one of the thousands of reasons I absolutely HATE election 2016.
Posted by: The Fabulous T at August 18, 2016 03:31 PM (MeXxt)
498
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:31 PM (syAr3)
Trump got a higher raw vote total than Charles Hughes did a hundred years ago?! WOOOOOOOOW
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:31 PM (syAr3)
Trump got a higher raw vote total than Charles Hughes did a hundred years ago?! WOOOOOOOOW
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:32 PM (BXcJU)
499
Technically the saying started out "Toad the Wet Sprocket" but one of the band died and they changed the name.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:32 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Lena Dunham's Sister at August 18, 2016 03:32 PM (mgbwf)
501
497 Posted by: The Fabulous T at August 18, 2016 03:31 PM (MeXxt)
I'll be a lot more lighthearted after we are betrayed.
I'll be a lot more lighthearted after we are betrayed.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:32 PM (SzZnW)
502
overall, i think most of the web commentary, twitter etc is now poison. lots of noise, propaganda, fatalism. it is amplified because it is driven both from left and from right.
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 03:32 PM (c6/9Q)
503
If Trump gets involved and endorses somebody big, I would not want to take a bet on that.
It will definitely not be the usual cakewalk
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Its a couple years away so hard to tell. I suspect Cruz will be back in the good graces of many by then. I don't think Perry is as popular in Texas as many think he is. Plus, why would Perry want it? He's an executive.
It will definitely not be the usual cakewalk
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Its a couple years away so hard to tell. I suspect Cruz will be back in the good graces of many by then. I don't think Perry is as popular in Texas as many think he is. Plus, why would Perry want it? He's an executive.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:33 PM (gmeXX)
504
Would I sacrifice what remains of my country to preserve the mucilaginous expectorant that is the GOPe? No. Ergo, I will not vote for Hill. This is fact: DJT is not our savior. He is not Reagan or Goldwater (GOPe hated them both). He is a bulldozer - a wrecking ball who could at last unseat the GOPe forever. I fail to understand how this is not a YUUUGE wet dream for the Dems. Hill is a poor choice - in 4 years they could put anybody they want in power because the GOPe will be a shambles. What is not to like?
Posted by: Orestes at August 18, 2016 03:33 PM (EIJH/)
505
The big X factor though are these undecided voters that are STILL undecided. You'l see polls and it will be like 43 Hillary, Trump 41.
I have to think undecided voters at this stage are largely for Trump, they are just embarrassed or afraid to say so.
Still, if you're constantly making excuses for the polling data, at some point I have to say its wish casting.
I have to think undecided voters at this stage are largely for Trump, they are just embarrassed or afraid to say so.
Still, if you're constantly making excuses for the polling data, at some point I have to say its wish casting.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:33 PM (qX02u)
506
But that's what Republican losers do. Just out of habit, they throw their candidates under the bus and get ready to fly the loser flag just so they can fulfill their loser self fulfilling prophesies.
They also fall for every media trick in the book including online psy-ops.
When did the republicans become french?
They also fall for every media trick in the book including online psy-ops.
When did the republicans become french?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:33 PM (AmeQT)
507
Thanks for the breakdown whig, perhaps I'll hold off on welcoming the new overlords.
Posted by: venus velvet at August 18, 2016 03:33 PM (g94P/)
508
He also received the most Republican primary votes in history. In history - let that sink in.
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You keep saying that like it means a whole heck of a lot to me. It doesn't. It's not nothing (and good for him), but it isn't nearly as meaningful as you seem to think it is.
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You keep saying that like it means a whole heck of a lot to me. It doesn't. It's not nothing (and good for him), but it isn't nearly as meaningful as you seem to think it is.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:34 PM (gmeXX)
509
Hillary winning the presidency will give us a great issue to run on in 2018, 2020, and 2022!!!
Posted by: GOPe at August 18, 2016 03:34 PM (EIB5Y)
510
It's "tow the line".
Yes. Yes it is. Don't let them tell you it's incorrect in all circumnavigations.
Yes. Yes it is. Don't let them tell you it's incorrect in all circumnavigations.
Posted by: Tuggy McTugboatface at August 18, 2016 03:34 PM (Bllk5)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2016 03:34 PM (/tuJf)
512
Trump will win and I am not going to give up. Ever.
He just gave two really great speeches this week. Read the transcripts. No media attention, at all. Maybe two mentioned the first one against radical islamic terrorism. Oh, noes. The MSM focused on the collapse of his campaign because he hired Breitbart and Kelly-Ann (who, I believe, worked for Cruz).
Read the transcripts. Both are great. The speech against radical islam are words that I have wanted since 9/11. And the second speech spoke of how the Dim machine has used black people for votes vs jobs, education and safe cities.
I stand with Trump/Pence 2016.
Not my first choice, but they will win. I like them both.
There is no point fretting about this now. Just vote against Dems.
He just gave two really great speeches this week. Read the transcripts. No media attention, at all. Maybe two mentioned the first one against radical islamic terrorism. Oh, noes. The MSM focused on the collapse of his campaign because he hired Breitbart and Kelly-Ann (who, I believe, worked for Cruz).
Read the transcripts. Both are great. The speech against radical islam are words that I have wanted since 9/11. And the second speech spoke of how the Dim machine has used black people for votes vs jobs, education and safe cities.
I stand with Trump/Pence 2016.
Not my first choice, but they will win. I like them both.
There is no point fretting about this now. Just vote against Dems.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at August 18, 2016 03:34 PM (h0PYG)
513
The snake handling is what is causing this disaster in the making!!! Except for bubba's snake handling....I luv that.
Posted by: ctrl+alt+del are resetters at August 18, 2016 03:35 PM (326rv)
514
Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at August 18, 2016 03:35 PM (uPt3V)
515
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (i/pfX)
Lost more respect than being called heartless because you don't support the Texas dream act, or didn't agree with his UnAmerican decree that you must get job vaccinated . I only voted for Perry for governor because he was our only choice. He is the definition of an insider.
Lost more respect than being called heartless because you don't support the Texas dream act, or didn't agree with his UnAmerican decree that you must get job vaccinated . I only voted for Perry for governor because he was our only choice. He is the definition of an insider.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 03:35 PM (cLMWw)
516
Its a couple years away so hard to tell. I suspect Cruz will be back in the good graces of many by then. I don't think Perry is as popular in Texas as many think he is. Plus, why would Perry want it? He's an executive.
Posted by: SH
I doubt Perry wants it, but Cruz will never be "popular" nationally ever again. He never really was, he was just sort of the last man standing.
He'll most likely keep his job, but had he played his cards right, he could have been a shoe-in for being the 2020 nominee.
Now? No way, and Trump will make sure to torpedo him. Which is fine by me.
Posted by: SH
I doubt Perry wants it, but Cruz will never be "popular" nationally ever again. He never really was, he was just sort of the last man standing.
He'll most likely keep his job, but had he played his cards right, he could have been a shoe-in for being the 2020 nominee.
Now? No way, and Trump will make sure to torpedo him. Which is fine by me.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:35 PM (qX02u)
517
486 It's "tow the line".
Fuck me.
"Toe the line".
Sheesh, I can't even pedant myself.
Posted by: Language Pedant at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (mgbwf)
487 It's "tow the line".
It's toe the line.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (evdj2)
Glad I cancelled my expletive laced rant halfway through. Carry on.
486 It's "tow the line".
Fuck me.
"Toe the line".
Sheesh, I can't even pedant myself.
Posted by: Language Pedant at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (mgbwf)
487 It's "tow the line".
It's toe the line.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 03:29 PM (evdj2)
Glad I cancelled my expletive laced rant halfway through. Carry on.
Posted by: esch's itchy feet at August 18, 2016 03:35 PM (hliil)
518
You people are crazy if you think you can change the democrat party. "Socialist" Bernie drives a $175,000 now while telling people others are going to pay for your college.
Posted by: ryukyu at August 18, 2016 03:35 PM (960oq)
519
Barefoot sailors are inspected in a row, on a wooden seam on the deck. TOE the line.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2016 03:35 PM (VdICR)
520
voters should be restricted to those that have a clue. until that happens, we are subject to the tyranny of the media
Posted by: talgus at August 18, 2016 03:35 PM (UaPF2)
521
Mutha fukkin wide in here
Posted by: Yo! at August 18, 2016 03:35 PM (uPt3V)
522
He also received the most Republican primary votes in history.
Yeah but that doesn't necessarily indicate popularity or enthusiasm. It could have been just rage against the GOPe and picking the wild card. It could have been just curiosity and excitement over the race. It could have been massive crossover from Democrats meddling with the election. Its really hard to know. Ultimately, it doesn't actually mean anything in the general election.
Democrat turnout was terrible, lower than a long, long time. Not because they are giving up or going to vote GOP, but because whats the point? It was a coronation, they knew Hills won, why vote?
Yeah but that doesn't necessarily indicate popularity or enthusiasm. It could have been just rage against the GOPe and picking the wild card. It could have been just curiosity and excitement over the race. It could have been massive crossover from Democrats meddling with the election. Its really hard to know. Ultimately, it doesn't actually mean anything in the general election.
Democrat turnout was terrible, lower than a long, long time. Not because they are giving up or going to vote GOP, but because whats the point? It was a coronation, they knew Hills won, why vote?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:36 PM (39g3+)
523
$175,000 car that is.
Posted by: ryukyu at August 18, 2016 03:36 PM (960oq)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 03:36 PM (cLMWw)
525
"if the Elite Geniuses of the GOP think the way to win is by putting
Hillary into office to teach the lower-class Trump voters a lesson,
they're every inch as much my enemies as Hillary."
No, they're worse. They're much, much worse.
The Democrats may be evil, but they unashamedly stand up for what they (claim to) believe and are willing to use any means to deliver policies to their constituents. That is to say, the Democrats are at least on their own side. The GOP? Not at all.
Hillary into office to teach the lower-class Trump voters a lesson,
they're every inch as much my enemies as Hillary."
No, they're worse. They're much, much worse.
The Democrats may be evil, but they unashamedly stand up for what they (claim to) believe and are willing to use any means to deliver policies to their constituents. That is to say, the Democrats are at least on their own side. The GOP? Not at all.
Posted by: James Felix at August 18, 2016 03:36 PM (x7byD)
526
"I'll be going into survival mode, and survival mode means..."
............
Beanie Weenie and bullets.
............
Beanie Weenie and bullets.
Posted by: wth at August 18, 2016 03:36 PM (HgMAr)
527
Right there with you ace. I have voted and worked for, and contributed to the Republican party since 1980. I have been disappointed with my candidate for president every year since 84. Along the way I came to the realization that the only people who hated Reagan more than the Democrats were the establishment GOP, who while paying lip-service to his success and legacy inexorably moved the party back to go-along, get-along, big government "compassionate conservatism". They serve only the CoC and Wall Street. They don't give a flying fuck about the Constitution, and lord knows they love ever increasing, ever more intrusive government as long as they get to pass out the party favors.
The only option I see after November will be a mass movement of obstinacy by the productive class of this country. Do not comply. It will take huge numbers, and willingness to suffer at the hands of these bureaucratic tyrants. If enough of us have the fortitude, the country can be righted. If not we will be a Venezuela in the making.
The only option I see after November will be a mass movement of obstinacy by the productive class of this country. Do not comply. It will take huge numbers, and willingness to suffer at the hands of these bureaucratic tyrants. If enough of us have the fortitude, the country can be righted. If not we will be a Venezuela in the making.
Posted by: Alamo at August 18, 2016 03:36 PM (aVNi6)
528
I doubt Perry wants it, but Cruz will never be "popular" nationally ever again. He never really was, he was just sort of the last man standing.
He'll most likely keep his job, but had he played his cards right, he could have been a shoe-in for being the 2020 nominee.
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I'm just not sure I can agree with either pronouncement. Time will tell. All I know is I wouldn't underestimate him.
He'll most likely keep his job, but had he played his cards right, he could have been a shoe-in for being the 2020 nominee.
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I'm just not sure I can agree with either pronouncement. Time will tell. All I know is I wouldn't underestimate him.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:37 PM (gmeXX)
529
Well, I'm not going to base my outlook on an election 75 days from now based on the prediction of Dana Perino, who is very much an establishment loving political operative. She was devastated when Jeb! showed to not have a prayer of getting nominated within a few primaries. She is fully entrenched in the Bush establishment wing of the party, along with all the past Bush campaign and administration Republican party apparatchiks.
She would like nothing more than to have been back in the DC political scene again, from which she was banished once Obama took over and the purging began.
She knows that is unlikely with a Trump win. It is most certainly unlikely with a Clinton win, but she can still sit on couches on opinion shows and gently criticize, with carefully parsed words, what Clinton's spokesperson said, or how Ted Cruz is harming the party, etc.
She's not a bad person, and she was a very competent press secretary. But she and Bush and the rest of his administration helped usher in Obama, and the age of "never fight back, it's unseemly". And now, when Trump fights back, she is certain it is doom because that is what her boss told her 10 years ago.
She would like nothing more than to have been back in the DC political scene again, from which she was banished once Obama took over and the purging began.
She knows that is unlikely with a Trump win. It is most certainly unlikely with a Clinton win, but she can still sit on couches on opinion shows and gently criticize, with carefully parsed words, what Clinton's spokesperson said, or how Ted Cruz is harming the party, etc.
She's not a bad person, and she was a very competent press secretary. But she and Bush and the rest of his administration helped usher in Obama, and the age of "never fight back, it's unseemly". And now, when Trump fights back, she is certain it is doom because that is what her boss told her 10 years ago.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 18, 2016 03:37 PM (JbgDR)
530
518 Posted by: ryukyu at August 18, 2016 03:35 PM (960oq)
You underestimate the coming civil war between the blacks, SJW whites, and hispanics amigo...
Hispanics at present are being fucked over in the Donkey Party Machine Politics Game.
I plan to back La Raza to the hilt.
You underestimate the coming civil war between the blacks, SJW whites, and hispanics amigo...
Hispanics at present are being fucked over in the Donkey Party Machine Politics Game.
I plan to back La Raza to the hilt.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:37 PM (SzZnW)
531
Took a break and read my book some. Came back to see if the concern trolls and paid astroturfers were still here. They still are so I will go back to my book.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 18, 2016 03:37 PM (mpXpK)
532
How can we spend $700B on war in Afghanistan when we can't even agree to toe the line?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2016 03:37 PM (VdICR)
533
He also received the most Republican primary votes in history. In history - let that sink in.
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You keep saying that like it means a whole heck of a lot to me. It doesn't. It's not nothing (and good for him), but it isn't nearly as meaningful as you seem to think it is.
Means he beat every other contender. And that does mean something. Whether you like it or not.
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You keep saying that like it means a whole heck of a lot to me. It doesn't. It's not nothing (and good for him), but it isn't nearly as meaningful as you seem to think it is.
Means he beat every other contender. And that does mean something. Whether you like it or not.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:37 PM (AmeQT)
534
Your talking points from the Trump website are cute and all but they fail to represent the facts that:
1. Trump LOST 60% of the vote in the primaries
2. He was, and continues to be, the only candidate who has consistently lost to Hilary (and Bernie) in every poll.
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And all the other candidates LOST 80-90% of the vote that why they lost.
Please, they were salivating for Bush or any one of the 16 dwarfs.
Trump rightly terrifies them because he is going to win.
1. Trump LOST 60% of the vote in the primaries
2. He was, and continues to be, the only candidate who has consistently lost to Hilary (and Bernie) in every poll.
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And all the other candidates LOST 80-90% of the vote that why they lost.
Please, they were salivating for Bush or any one of the 16 dwarfs.
Trump rightly terrifies them because he is going to win.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:38 PM (syAr3)
535
I doubt Perry wants it, but Cruz will never be "popular" nationally ever again. He never really was, he was just sort of the last man standing.
He'll most likely keep his job, but had he played his cards right, he could have been a shoe-in for being the 2020 nominee.
Yeah Cruz definitely hurt his brand. He was doing fine until the last month of the primary then he kind of went nuts, I guess Trump got to him or something. He damaged his image significantly. That and a few really questionable votes last year.
He'll most likely keep his job, but had he played his cards right, he could have been a shoe-in for being the 2020 nominee.
Yeah Cruz definitely hurt his brand. He was doing fine until the last month of the primary then he kind of went nuts, I guess Trump got to him or something. He damaged his image significantly. That and a few really questionable votes last year.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:38 PM (39g3+)
536
This post is wider than hillarys caboose
Posted by: Yo! at August 18, 2016 03:38 PM (uPt3V)
537
Auto-stupid strikes again .
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck
Then don't type with your elbows.
Instead, make fists with your toes. Better than a shower and a hot cup of coffee.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck
Then don't type with your elbows.
Instead, make fists with your toes. Better than a shower and a hot cup of coffee.
Posted by: Doin' this fuh ten yeeuuhz at August 18, 2016 03:38 PM (XIXhw)
538
To add: The 'Rons and 'Ettes posting here got me through some difficult times in my life with humor, wit, and general awesomeness. Usually posted late at night on the ONT, I'm sure I woke a few of my apartment neighbors up with my laughing.
Posted by: The Fabulous T at August 18, 2016 03:39 PM (MeXxt)
539
Reagan certainly had a hostile press to battle but nothing compares with all of the media in every scope that spews Trump hate all day, everyday. Hell, just look what Ace's site, the anti-Trump maggots come here like magnets. It's like they gleefully await through all the other topics until they can ponce.
Posted by: washrivergal at August 18, 2016 03:39 PM (CFc5L)
540
This is fact: DJT is not our savior. He is not Reagan or Goldwater (GOPe hated them both). He is a bulldozer - a wrecking ball who could at last unseat the GOPe forever. I fail to understand how this is not a YUUUGE wet dream for the Dems.
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This election should have been a slam dunk for the Republicans. It IS a Democrat's wet dream. They just don't know it yet, because they're still butthurt about Bernie, and they think Hillary is "conservative".
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This election should have been a slam dunk for the Republicans. It IS a Democrat's wet dream. They just don't know it yet, because they're still butthurt about Bernie, and they think Hillary is "conservative".
Posted by: Farmer Joe, job hunting at August 18, 2016 03:39 PM (27Ws9)
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"He'll most likely keep his job, but had he played his cards right, he could have been a shoe-in for being the 2020 nominee. "
He so, so could have made himself the clear and obvious mantle-bearer for the next election should Trump lose.
He squandered that.
He so, so could have made himself the clear and obvious mantle-bearer for the next election should Trump lose.
He squandered that.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 03:39 PM (i/pfX)
542
Means he beat every other contender. And that does mean something. Whether you like it or not.
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Again, so what. I'm not disputing he won the nomination - which he won for winning the most delegates. I'm disputing this ridiculous argument that Trump is a superior general election candidate simply because he won a plurality of the votes.
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Again, so what. I'm not disputing he won the nomination - which he won for winning the most delegates. I'm disputing this ridiculous argument that Trump is a superior general election candidate simply because he won a plurality of the votes.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:40 PM (gmeXX)
543
"So what do I make of the polls?"
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Americans seem to like FUPAs more than forehead merkins.
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Americans seem to like FUPAs more than forehead merkins.
Posted by: wth at August 18, 2016 03:40 PM (HgMAr)
544
Cruz was defending the Second Amendment at the Supreme Court when Trump was donating to Hillary, Chuck Schumer, and Terry MacAuliffe.
But he didn't kiss Trump's ring, so I guess he deserves all the vitriol directed against him.
But he didn't kiss Trump's ring, so I guess he deserves all the vitriol directed against him.
Posted by: V the K at August 18, 2016 03:40 PM (O7MnT)
545
The difference between this election in 2012 is Hillary is still blundering around in the low 40s in most polls. Obama was NOT blundering around in the low 40s.
Second the 2012 polls overestimated Republican turnout and underestimated Obama. What they missed was the huge turnout of African-Americans in cities, and missed the underwhelming support among whites in certain places.
This leads us to several questions: Can Hillary get that kind of turnout from African-Americans? Can Hillary consistently get into the high 40s at the least? Remember she is in essence the incumbent in this race. Historically incumbents in the low 40% are doomed in elections.
Now Trump has his own problems, but his biggest is his own party. Hillary does not get critiqued each day by Democrat bigwigs like Trump does. That is despite all the things she has done and continues to do. They keep their mouth's shut when Hillary does stupid stuff or Russia gives us the truth of the stupid stuff Hillary has done.
It is hard to overcome Paul Ryan saying how racist Trump is, or McCain getting up and saying Trump is a madman, etc, during the GENERAL part of the election. In other words they hand the media a wonderful talking point each day to add legitimacy to their claims. This is a political party of nannies and pundits.
A prime example is Dana Perino (the nanny)...another is Allahpundit (the pundit).
See Trump at least is attacking, at least is trying to be aggressive. When you are aggressive you can end up in traps and suffer nasty defeats in battle, but in the long run you gain territory. The Democrats have proven this to be true, just as it is true in warfare. Does Trump have time to overcome his own mistakes, and more important 25 years of GOP sitzkrieg? We will find out.
I won't blame Trump for defeat like Ace does, or much else. Why?
Because I blame politicians that Dana Perino liked a lot more. And Allahpundit and Ed too...They are like Gen. McClellan groupies. They love a masterful retreat. Granted a stand or retreat sometimes can win a battle or two..a Colorado here, a Virginia there...but in the end the Democrats win the war.
They are like Grant! Never stop, never quit, no matter what the polls or lives lost they will fight on until they get the result they want. They play the long game and realize losing congress does not matter, as long as you continue to attack and your enemies wilt under the pressure of battle.
Second the 2012 polls overestimated Republican turnout and underestimated Obama. What they missed was the huge turnout of African-Americans in cities, and missed the underwhelming support among whites in certain places.
This leads us to several questions: Can Hillary get that kind of turnout from African-Americans? Can Hillary consistently get into the high 40s at the least? Remember she is in essence the incumbent in this race. Historically incumbents in the low 40% are doomed in elections.
Now Trump has his own problems, but his biggest is his own party. Hillary does not get critiqued each day by Democrat bigwigs like Trump does. That is despite all the things she has done and continues to do. They keep their mouth's shut when Hillary does stupid stuff or Russia gives us the truth of the stupid stuff Hillary has done.
It is hard to overcome Paul Ryan saying how racist Trump is, or McCain getting up and saying Trump is a madman, etc, during the GENERAL part of the election. In other words they hand the media a wonderful talking point each day to add legitimacy to their claims. This is a political party of nannies and pundits.
A prime example is Dana Perino (the nanny)...another is Allahpundit (the pundit).
See Trump at least is attacking, at least is trying to be aggressive. When you are aggressive you can end up in traps and suffer nasty defeats in battle, but in the long run you gain territory. The Democrats have proven this to be true, just as it is true in warfare. Does Trump have time to overcome his own mistakes, and more important 25 years of GOP sitzkrieg? We will find out.
I won't blame Trump for defeat like Ace does, or much else. Why?
Because I blame politicians that Dana Perino liked a lot more. And Allahpundit and Ed too...They are like Gen. McClellan groupies. They love a masterful retreat. Granted a stand or retreat sometimes can win a battle or two..a Colorado here, a Virginia there...but in the end the Democrats win the war.
They are like Grant! Never stop, never quit, no matter what the polls or lives lost they will fight on until they get the result they want. They play the long game and realize losing congress does not matter, as long as you continue to attack and your enemies wilt under the pressure of battle.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 18, 2016 03:40 PM (KhJh8)
546
This election is between the 80s and the 90s, while the present political climate feels like the 70s, cardigans and all. Trump is actually the best candidate the GOP could have nominated, because his name is automatically associated with wealth and has been for decades, no matter how hard the Democrats and the media work to rebrand him.
Most voters are dumb, even those with college degrees. When they get in that voting booth, they go with their gut. When they look at "Trump", they see gold. When they see "Clinton", they see blowjobs. That's the short of it. What would voters rather have right now, money in their pockets or a temporary feel good buzz? It's a crazy world by the Democrats' design with the help of shitbag Republican traitors. People are going to vote for security, no matter what color, gender, religion or sexual persuasion they are.
Trump needs to motivate normally apathetic voters, and Democrats are not motivated to turn out for Hillary. Most voters are still asleep until Labor Day. These reliable voters will be inclined toward Hillary, because Democrats have a branding advantage over Republicans. But the Republican gets an automatic 40%. So, Trump needs to beat up Cankles and fire up voters who had written off the GOP.
His campaign shakeup, hiring Mercer, Conway and Bannon, says he can do it. But that comment about going back to his comfortable life if he loses angered me a bit. It was pathetic, reminding me of foolish guac merchant Jeb and his fantasy football. But I also know Trump is running against ruthlessly evil people who will ruin his and his family's lives if he loses. I also agree with Ace. I'm done with the GOP after this.
Most voters are dumb, even those with college degrees. When they get in that voting booth, they go with their gut. When they look at "Trump", they see gold. When they see "Clinton", they see blowjobs. That's the short of it. What would voters rather have right now, money in their pockets or a temporary feel good buzz? It's a crazy world by the Democrats' design with the help of shitbag Republican traitors. People are going to vote for security, no matter what color, gender, religion or sexual persuasion they are.
Trump needs to motivate normally apathetic voters, and Democrats are not motivated to turn out for Hillary. Most voters are still asleep until Labor Day. These reliable voters will be inclined toward Hillary, because Democrats have a branding advantage over Republicans. But the Republican gets an automatic 40%. So, Trump needs to beat up Cankles and fire up voters who had written off the GOP.
His campaign shakeup, hiring Mercer, Conway and Bannon, says he can do it. But that comment about going back to his comfortable life if he loses angered me a bit. It was pathetic, reminding me of foolish guac merchant Jeb and his fantasy football. But I also know Trump is running against ruthlessly evil people who will ruin his and his family's lives if he loses. I also agree with Ace. I'm done with the GOP after this.
Posted by: Lurkity Lurker at August 18, 2016 03:40 PM (TEpOb)
Posted by: wooga at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (G0kET)
Posted by: Language Pedant at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (mgbwf)
549
Looking forward to anti-Trump Ace coming back in a month and a half or so once he realizes it is over and that Trump isn't even trying to win.
Posted by: Shooter McGavin at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (OD23t)
550
I still think Bernie suddenly buying his third half million dollar home after losing a primary election and endorsing the woman he despises for ...some... reason is really indicative.
What bothers me is that you can get Democrat voters to admit that Hillary is evil, that she rigged the election, that she's corrupt, that she broke espionage laws, even that she's probably ill and people keep mysteriously dying when they get in her way.
But they then say "but Trump is crazy and I don't want him near the bomb" or something like that. "He's a Nazi" etc. Anything to make it palatable to still vote for the evil, corrupt bitch they recognize.
What bothers me is that you can get Democrat voters to admit that Hillary is evil, that she rigged the election, that she's corrupt, that she broke espionage laws, even that she's probably ill and people keep mysteriously dying when they get in her way.
But they then say "but Trump is crazy and I don't want him near the bomb" or something like that. "He's a Nazi" etc. Anything to make it palatable to still vote for the evil, corrupt bitch they recognize.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (39g3+)
551
As I'm sure has already been stated here, the GOPe seems to like, nay relish, being second class citizens - perpetually sucking on the hind tit.
While on paper -according to my electoral registration - I'm still a Republican - it is only for the dimming hope that eventually a good candidate will arise.
I'm not quite where Ace is, lining up under the (D) banner. Right now I'll go it alone if I must. I'm not faulting him for that. I have my beliefs and principles and I still (foolishly) believe they are worth fighting for.
Does that mean line up behind Trump? This cycle - yes. I'll not only be holding my nose when I'll vote, I'll be bringing a barf bag. I know Trump isn't a conservative. I know he will be a big government type, but I got to believe there will be a slight bit more integrity within the WH than what HRC will bring.
I do foresee the end of the GOPe. Oh it will kick and scream a lot more before the patient is declared dead and at room temperature. But it is doomed to death. And I will celebrate that day. F*** them.
While on paper -according to my electoral registration - I'm still a Republican - it is only for the dimming hope that eventually a good candidate will arise.
I'm not quite where Ace is, lining up under the (D) banner. Right now I'll go it alone if I must. I'm not faulting him for that. I have my beliefs and principles and I still (foolishly) believe they are worth fighting for.
Does that mean line up behind Trump? This cycle - yes. I'll not only be holding my nose when I'll vote, I'll be bringing a barf bag. I know Trump isn't a conservative. I know he will be a big government type, but I got to believe there will be a slight bit more integrity within the WH than what HRC will bring.
I do foresee the end of the GOPe. Oh it will kick and scream a lot more before the patient is declared dead and at room temperature. But it is doomed to death. And I will celebrate that day. F*** them.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (jxbfJ)
552
Cruz was defending the Second Amendment at the Supreme Court
While handing out soccer balls and teddy bears at the border.
While handing out soccer balls and teddy bears at the border.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (AmeQT)
553
Means he beat every other contender. And that does mean something. Whether you like it or not.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT
But let's pretend Trump had decided not to run and Jeb Bush had the "most Republican votes ever" does it really mean anything?
I will say though one piece of data that is encouraging is that GOP turnout in the primaries was quite a bit higher than Democrats, even with Bernie Sanders attracting a lot of younger voters.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT
But let's pretend Trump had decided not to run and Jeb Bush had the "most Republican votes ever" does it really mean anything?
I will say though one piece of data that is encouraging is that GOP turnout in the primaries was quite a bit higher than Democrats, even with Bernie Sanders attracting a lot of younger voters.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (qX02u)
554
At least they got Thad Cochran re elected
Posted by: Yo! at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (uPt3V)
555
"Means he beat every other contender. And that does mean something. Whether you like it or not."
It means that people did not drop out. They consolidated behind him.
It also means that people like my brother who hasn't voted in twenty some years came out and enthusiastically voted for him.
It means that people did not drop out. They consolidated behind him.
It also means that people like my brother who hasn't voted in twenty some years came out and enthusiastically voted for him.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:42 PM (syAr3)
556
I saw Toe the Camel open for Toad the Wet Sprocket at Boneroo!
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2016 03:42 PM (/hxGw)
557
Posted by: William Eaton at August 18, 2016 03:40 PM (KhJh
"Because I blame politicians that Dana Perino liked a lot more. And Allahpundit and Ed too."
Okay. A couple of bloggers sunk Trump.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 18, 2016 03:40 PM (KhJh
"Because I blame politicians that Dana Perino liked a lot more. And Allahpundit and Ed too."
Okay. A couple of bloggers sunk Trump.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:42 PM (BXcJU)
558
Anybody been keeping jwest updated on his appointments today? He had a lot.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 03:42 PM (i/pfX)
559
At this time in an alternate universe, Jeb is up on Hillary 22 points in California. We'd all be clapping right now. You guys just don't listen.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2016 03:42 PM (VdICR)
560
While handing out soccer balls and teddy bears at the border.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (AmeQT)
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Rick - thanks for bringing a smile to my face today. It always comes back to giving children toys.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (AmeQT)
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Rick - thanks for bringing a smile to my face today. It always comes back to giving children toys.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:42 PM (gmeXX)
561
Your wife is ugly and your dad killed Kennedy. Sad!
Look over that. Step back and look at what you just typed. How mad would that make you? Its the idiotic stylings of an infant. Who cares? Its easy to ignore. But Cruz let it get to him and went berserk, and ruined himself.
Look over that. Step back and look at what you just typed. How mad would that make you? Its the idiotic stylings of an infant. Who cares? Its easy to ignore. But Cruz let it get to him and went berserk, and ruined himself.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:42 PM (39g3+)
562
>>Trump rightly terrifies them because he is going to win.
What do you base this on? He has no real campaign, no state wide offices in many states including swing states. He has farmed out his ground game to the dreaded GOP. His campaign seems in constant turmoil. He hasn't bothered to run a single ad to date. And whether people like it or not he has alienated a large part of the party he claims to represent and which he absolutely needs to win.
What is the path to victory?
Trump doesn't terrify them. What terrifies them is that Hillary is almost as bad a candidate after decades of trying to learn not to be. And there are still a lot of shoes that could drop with various email hacks.
I see absolutely no way Trump can win but there is still a slight chance Hillary implodes.
What do you base this on? He has no real campaign, no state wide offices in many states including swing states. He has farmed out his ground game to the dreaded GOP. His campaign seems in constant turmoil. He hasn't bothered to run a single ad to date. And whether people like it or not he has alienated a large part of the party he claims to represent and which he absolutely needs to win.
What is the path to victory?
Trump doesn't terrify them. What terrifies them is that Hillary is almost as bad a candidate after decades of trying to learn not to be. And there are still a lot of shoes that could drop with various email hacks.
I see absolutely no way Trump can win but there is still a slight chance Hillary implodes.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2016 03:42 PM (/tuJf)
563
Again, so what.
So what? Your candidate sucked balls. That's what. And you want me to vote for him?
So what? Your candidate sucked balls. That's what. And you want me to vote for him?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (AmeQT)
564
How about a post about trannies or global warming or hbo pro pedophile shows? Something that makes sense.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (X+nFp)
565
"Trump needs to motivate normally apathetic voters"
Jeebus. He needs to Shut the F*ck Up. He's Mr Own Goal.
Jeebus. He needs to Shut the F*ck Up. He's Mr Own Goal.
Posted by: HiHo at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (CPk08)
566
One thought though on these polls. Turnout. Polls do not measure voter turnout.
The Republican primaries had far more turnout than the Dems did.
It is going to come down to the Democratic voters being so disgusted that they will stay home vs. the Republican ones riding the Trump train.
The Republican primaries had far more turnout than the Dems did.
It is going to come down to the Democratic voters being so disgusted that they will stay home vs. the Republican ones riding the Trump train.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (jxbfJ)
567
Trump may be losing big, he may not be. Remember, this is an existential threat to the establishment that includes both parties and the media. Trillions of dollars, 30 years of accumulated raw power, the end goal so near (and yet so far if Trump wins on top of BREXIT).
The goal will be to demoralize and drive down turnout. That includes every area the Establishment controls that can be weaponized against Trump's campaign. That includes voter fraud but also potentially fraud in about anything you here from mainstream sources, most certainly the meida including Fox. It includes paid trolls. So don't, on face value, accept anything negative you hear as fact. It might be fact. It might not. We simply do not know until the votes are counted, IMO.
Your crying over a glass of wine on Nov. 8 instead of getting in the car and driving to a voter booth is the goal. Revolutions are never painless. And this is a revolution. Have the guts to fight out this currently bloodless one until the final day.
The goal will be to demoralize and drive down turnout. That includes every area the Establishment controls that can be weaponized against Trump's campaign. That includes voter fraud but also potentially fraud in about anything you here from mainstream sources, most certainly the meida including Fox. It includes paid trolls. So don't, on face value, accept anything negative you hear as fact. It might be fact. It might not. We simply do not know until the votes are counted, IMO.
Your crying over a glass of wine on Nov. 8 instead of getting in the car and driving to a voter booth is the goal. Revolutions are never painless. And this is a revolution. Have the guts to fight out this currently bloodless one until the final day.
Posted by: Keith at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (nFB1w)
568
30 It was over the minute Trump decided to blow his post convention week in a dick-measuring contest with the Khans"
Oh hell. The public won't even remember San Bern or Nice or Dallas by then, what makes you think anybody will remember Khan?
No, that didn't blow it. What will blow it is whatever stupid thing might come out of Trump's mouth 4 days before the election.
If he stays on target and doesn't shoot off his mouth about something petty and personal, he's got a chance. Who thinks he won't shoot off his mouth about something petty and personal?
Oh hell. The public won't even remember San Bern or Nice or Dallas by then, what makes you think anybody will remember Khan?
No, that didn't blow it. What will blow it is whatever stupid thing might come out of Trump's mouth 4 days before the election.
If he stays on target and doesn't shoot off his mouth about something petty and personal, he's got a chance. Who thinks he won't shoot off his mouth about something petty and personal?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (u0lmX)
569
Rick - thanks for bringing a smile to my face today. It always comes back to giving children toys.
Posted by: SH
Yep. Always comes back to welcoming in lawbreakers.
Posted by: SH
Yep. Always comes back to welcoming in lawbreakers.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (AmeQT)
570
It also means that people like my brother who hasn't voted in twenty some years came out and enthusiastically voted for him.
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I'm certainly willing to wait until the election to see if it is truly meaningful. I do believe that Trump has a much more enthusiastic base of support than Hillary does. The question is is it big enough.
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I'm certainly willing to wait until the election to see if it is truly meaningful. I do believe that Trump has a much more enthusiastic base of support than Hillary does. The question is is it big enough.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:44 PM (gmeXX)
571
Being a social pariah is fine with me. Doesn't bother me a bit.
It's being actively persecuted that I'm cowardly about. Things like losing one's job (not that I have one), being targeted by the IRS, being fined or jailed on trumped-up charges, or having property destroyed or being beaten up or killed are why my policy is to keep my head down and try not to be noticed.
I went to the Tea Party in downtown Atlanta despite being considerably worried about my safety. What a relief it was to see I was in the company of some 8k others., I believe it was. And nothing bad happened.
Generally, though, I try to keep my head down, and it seems to get less safe by the day. But I don't care about the approval of others. The question is, social pariah according to who? Generally not my kind of people anyway, that's who. I've got friends who are raging liberals, but they seem to respect me, and I do stuck to my guns. So they're okay.
It's being actively persecuted that I'm cowardly about. Things like losing one's job (not that I have one), being targeted by the IRS, being fined or jailed on trumped-up charges, or having property destroyed or being beaten up or killed are why my policy is to keep my head down and try not to be noticed.
I went to the Tea Party in downtown Atlanta despite being considerably worried about my safety. What a relief it was to see I was in the company of some 8k others., I believe it was. And nothing bad happened.
Generally, though, I try to keep my head down, and it seems to get less safe by the day. But I don't care about the approval of others. The question is, social pariah according to who? Generally not my kind of people anyway, that's who. I've got friends who are raging liberals, but they seem to respect me, and I do stuck to my guns. So they're okay.
Posted by: Alana at August 18, 2016 03:44 PM (D07Vx)
572
I am going to be freed of a lot of self-masochistic loyalty this fall.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:31 PM (SzZnW)
Loyalty? Screw Loyalty, but you either have beliefs or your don't. A tirade that you will vote for the enemy because your mad sounds like a 3 year old
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:31 PM (SzZnW)
Loyalty? Screw Loyalty, but you either have beliefs or your don't. A tirade that you will vote for the enemy because your mad sounds like a 3 year old
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 03:44 PM (Ozsfq)
573
Just not gonna rehash the Trump sucks-Cruz would have been better fight.
No point.
No point.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW- Skeet Surfing at August 18, 2016 03:44 PM (0x/TW)
574
"Bladder infection and elevated bp. Hugo doing ok."
See, I called it this morning.
Told ya'll it wasn't a brain tumah.
See, I called it this morning.
Told ya'll it wasn't a brain tumah.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 03:44 PM (6t8+a)
575
Does Trump actually say "bigly?"
Posted by: Harun at August 18, 2016 03:44 PM (UBBWX)
576
He also received the most Republican primary votes in history. In history - let that sink in.
This made me go look at the popular votes and it's true, though the trend is interesting. W was the aberation in a steadily increasing vote count trend.
1988 GHWBush 8,253,512
1992 GHWBush 9,199,463
1996 Dole 9,024,742
2000 GWBush 12,034,676
2004 GWBush 7,853,863 Unopposed
2006 McCain 9,902,797
2012 Romney 10,031,336
2016 Trump 14,014,420
This made me go look at the popular votes and it's true, though the trend is interesting. W was the aberation in a steadily increasing vote count trend.
1988 GHWBush 8,253,512
1992 GHWBush 9,199,463
1996 Dole 9,024,742
2000 GWBush 12,034,676
2004 GWBush 7,853,863 Unopposed
2006 McCain 9,902,797
2012 Romney 10,031,336
2016 Trump 14,014,420
Posted by: Grump928(c) super pedant at August 18, 2016 03:44 PM (evdj2)
577
I see Trump as a normal guy with a set personality, and even though he's now running for President, he doesn't feel the need to change (i.e. be fake) just to please the GOPe and the pundits. I, for one, appreciate that. And given the multitude of pitfalls and traps the Dems, the media, and the GOP set for him every day, my opinion is he ain't doing all that bad. And I guess there's 10's of thousands of people that take the time to go to each of his events that would agree with me.
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 18, 2016 03:44 PM (jjaLl)
578
564
How about a post about trannies or global warming or hbo pro pedophile shows? Something that makes sense.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (X+nFp)
Boobies?
How about a post about trannies or global warming or hbo pro pedophile shows? Something that makes sense.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (X+nFp)
Boobies?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 18, 2016 03:45 PM (jxbfJ)
579
Almost have the 2020 machines rigged and ready! Much better than this election - didn't have those finished until last year.
Almost have the 2020 machines rigged and ready! Much better than this election - didn't have those finished until last year.
Posted by: Hitlery Poopypants at August 18, 2016 03:45 PM (qul7b)
580
"But let's pretend Trump had decided not to run and Jeb Bush had the "most Republican votes ever" does it really mean anything? "
No way to prove it, but I'd bet that JEB! would have won with the least amount of Republican primary votes in history.
So yeah, it does mean something. More people voted, less dropped out.
No way to prove it, but I'd bet that JEB! would have won with the least amount of Republican primary votes in history.
So yeah, it does mean something. More people voted, less dropped out.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:45 PM (syAr3)
581
Yep. Always comes back to welcoming in lawbreakers.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (AmeQT)
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Children. He wasn't cruel to children while attempting to draw attention to the problems with open borders. That's the charge against Cruz.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (AmeQT)
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Children. He wasn't cruel to children while attempting to draw attention to the problems with open borders. That's the charge against Cruz.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 18, 2016 03:45 PM (mFkVC)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 03:45 PM (mgbwf)
583
"But let's pretend Trump had decided not to run and Jeb Bush had the "most Republican votes ever" does it really mean anything? "
It would have meant he was the nominee. Like it or not that's what the GOP voters elected.
It would be a sign of what the voter body thought and wanted.
It would have meant he was the nominee. Like it or not that's what the GOP voters elected.
It would be a sign of what the voter body thought and wanted.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 03:45 PM (i/pfX)
584
True fact
Hillary wears granny panties
Hillary wears granny panties
Posted by: Yo! at August 18, 2016 03:45 PM (uPt3V)
585
I think the Republican Party is dead, even if Trump wins this election, and we in the Horde, we in the Opposition, must start considering reasonable alternatives so that the parasite-infested carcass of the Republican Party can be given all a burial with all due respect, in a disused cesspit.
It's time to make them go the way of the Whigs, and let the tiny cadre of Washington Insiders ride it all the way to the bottom, because they won't understand why people are bailing until everyone is gone and they're in the unemployment line.
I suggest that we take over the Reform Party. It basically exists on paper only at this point, and it's already on the ballot in most states. A relatively small number of people changing their registration to Reform could then hold a convention, write the platform, and suddenly you've got a new national party that's ready to go (except for the rest of the voter base and candidates, which would require us to convince the rest of the reflexive Republicans that the elephant has been dead for a long time, and is only still standing because rigor mortis locked it up that way.)
It's time to make them go the way of the Whigs, and let the tiny cadre of Washington Insiders ride it all the way to the bottom, because they won't understand why people are bailing until everyone is gone and they're in the unemployment line.
I suggest that we take over the Reform Party. It basically exists on paper only at this point, and it's already on the ballot in most states. A relatively small number of people changing their registration to Reform could then hold a convention, write the platform, and suddenly you've got a new national party that's ready to go (except for the rest of the voter base and candidates, which would require us to convince the rest of the reflexive Republicans that the elephant has been dead for a long time, and is only still standing because rigor mortis locked it up that way.)
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (HalrA)
586
@559 At this time in an alternate universe, Jeb is up on Hillary 22 points in California. We'd all be clapping right now. You guys just don't listen.
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I'm kinda curious about that alternate universe Jeb, and how he differs from our universe Jeb. Because the only way our Jeb would have won the primary is if he'd been running unopposed
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I'm kinda curious about that alternate universe Jeb, and how he differs from our universe Jeb. Because the only way our Jeb would have won the primary is if he'd been running unopposed
Posted by: junior at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (mUM5y)
587
While handing out soccer balls and teddy bears at the border.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT
Also, I know it really bothers people, but Cruz being born in Canada was going to be a problem. Not necessarily legally, but even Democrats were conceding that had Obama been born in Kenya, it would have been a big problem.
That's why Obama finally released his "alleged" birth certificate to show he was born here. If voters didn't care, he wouldn't have relented and shown it.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT
Also, I know it really bothers people, but Cruz being born in Canada was going to be a problem. Not necessarily legally, but even Democrats were conceding that had Obama been born in Kenya, it would have been a big problem.
That's why Obama finally released his "alleged" birth certificate to show he was born here. If voters didn't care, he wouldn't have relented and shown it.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (qX02u)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (6t8+a)
589
8 years of Hillary won't be so bad, if you're an illegal alien, a terrorist, or a government employee.
Posted by: wth at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (HgMAr)
590
Trump doesn't need to change who he is, he just needs to focus his fire more carefully. Keep being Trump - he's the voice of idiocracy and reaches people who don't ordinary follow politics, God help us. But he needs to focus more carefully and stay on target.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (39g3+)
591
Hillary needs Bill to drop dead in a way that would inspire her base to come out and vote for her. That is her only sure path.
Posted by: cynic at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (K8FS4)
Yeah, but Bill's not dumb. He's instructed his SS detail to scan the crowds for Huma in a Trump mask with a sniper rifle, and in any event he tries always to be physically surrounded by a buffer of buxom interns.
Posted by: cynic at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (K8FS4)
Yeah, but Bill's not dumb. He's instructed his SS detail to scan the crowds for Huma in a Trump mask with a sniper rifle, and in any event he tries always to be physically surrounded by a buffer of buxom interns.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (PL2OL)
592
Polls showing Hillary are "up" are unreliable, because they do not reflect the lack of enthusiasm people supporting Hillary have. A poll is like a New Years Resolution. Yes, people will tell you they are going to do all sorts of things -- lose weight, save more money, read more books, and vote for Hillary Clinton.
The reason most people never take action is because they lack motivation. They can't see why their lives will improve if they take action. There's no motivation.
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The reason most people never take action is because they lack motivation. They can't see why their lives will improve if they take action. There's no motivation.
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/zd5s8s7
Posted by: andycanuck at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (LdMbv)
593
"And I guess there's 10's of thousands of people that take the time to go to each of his events that would agree with me."
Which matters not at all if even 51% % of the people who end up voting don't.....
Which matters not at all if even 51% % of the people who end up voting don't.....
Posted by: HiHo at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (CPk08)
594
He also received the most Republican primary votes in history. In history - let that sink in.
This made me go look at the popular votes and it's true, though the trend is interesting. W was the aberation in a steadily increasing vote count trend.
1988 GHWBush 8,253,512
1992 GHWBush 9,199,463
1996 Dole 9,024,742
2000 GWBush 12,034,676
2004 GWBush 7,853,863 Unopposed
2006 McCain 9,902,797
2012 Romney 10,031,336
2016 Trump 14,014,420
Don't mean nuttin'.
This made me go look at the popular votes and it's true, though the trend is interesting. W was the aberation in a steadily increasing vote count trend.
1988 GHWBush 8,253,512
1992 GHWBush 9,199,463
1996 Dole 9,024,742
2000 GWBush 12,034,676
2004 GWBush 7,853,863 Unopposed
2006 McCain 9,902,797
2012 Romney 10,031,336
2016 Trump 14,014,420
Don't mean nuttin'.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (AmeQT)
595
W was the aberation in a steadily increasing vote count trend.
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Not really an aberration though, no?
McCain shows that no one was going to win that election. Not a lot of enthusiasm in that election.
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Not really an aberration though, no?
McCain shows that no one was going to win that election. Not a lot of enthusiasm in that election.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Grump928(c) super pedant at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (evdj2)
597
564 How about a post about trannies or global warming or hbo pro pedophile shows? Something that makes sense.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (X+nFp)
H Y A P A T I A L E E
Don't say I don't do my part.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (X+nFp)
H Y A P A T I A L E E
Don't say I don't do my part.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (9P3OG)
598
This is it. The worst candidate the Democrats ever put for president will win - because the worse candidate of 17 people running for the GOP nomination, was the one we picked.
Trump is a terrible candidate in terms of the actual running to win an election. Everyone who saw past the glitz knows that. Yet people from Sean Hannity to Scott Adams all deceived themselves on what it takes to win an election, because Trump couldn't be bothered to do them. And he pissed off some many people who wanted any reason to vote Republican, even if it was only against Hillary. See the WaPo poll of Virginia, where Hillary leads Trump among military personnel.
Hillary is running to win. Trump...Isn't even running.
Trump is a terrible candidate in terms of the actual running to win an election. Everyone who saw past the glitz knows that. Yet people from Sean Hannity to Scott Adams all deceived themselves on what it takes to win an election, because Trump couldn't be bothered to do them. And he pissed off some many people who wanted any reason to vote Republican, even if it was only against Hillary. See the WaPo poll of Virginia, where Hillary leads Trump among military personnel.
Hillary is running to win. Trump...Isn't even running.
Posted by: TKYC at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (Kdt2H)
599
I'll bet anything that when that curtain closes Ace votes for Hillary.
Posted by: Deno1 at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (HxYMT)
600
It would have meant he was the nominee. Like it or not that's what the GOP voters elected.
It would be a sign of what the voter body thought and wanted.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
But it wouldn't have been a show of how strong he was as the nominee.
My guess is Romney had the "most GOP votes ever" of a contested primary when he won in 2012, it didn't really mean anything.
It would be a sign of what the voter body thought and wanted.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
But it wouldn't have been a show of how strong he was as the nominee.
My guess is Romney had the "most GOP votes ever" of a contested primary when he won in 2012, it didn't really mean anything.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (qX02u)
601
>>Does Trump actually say "bigly?"
>>I think he's saying "big league".
He did say it once. I heard it. I think he meant to say big league but it came out bigly.
>>I think he's saying "big league".
He did say it once. I heard it. I think he meant to say big league but it came out bigly.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (/tuJf)
602
DP on the five several weeks ago: "Trump's complaints about the media MIGHT be warranted, but he really needs to be more truthful on (important) issues such as the Iraq war. He says he didn't support it when the truth was otherwise- and gosh darn it, the media never calls him on it."
Dana Perino MIGHT be right on the polls, but I don't trust her opinion at all wrt to common folk opinion.
Terminal Bush butt hurt is like that.
Dana Perino MIGHT be right on the polls, but I don't trust her opinion at all wrt to common folk opinion.
Terminal Bush butt hurt is like that.
Posted by: Cooldawg at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (bVtr0)
603
fucking pussy, quitter, limp dick muther fucker. Just fucking quit now.
I'll never be back I have enjoyed this place for about 7-8 years . Now I'm done
I'll never be back I have enjoyed this place for about 7-8 years . Now I'm done
Posted by: 300 at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (HuE/O)
604
572 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 03:44 PM (Ozsfq)
I have beliefs. I think my what was it 22 volumes of war and peace in posts kind of speaks to it, the issue here is efficacy NGU. At the end of the day the only thing worse for my beliefs than a GOP loss is a GOPe win.
You'll have to explain to me precisely when I get back to being a presence here with more regularity how empowering the GOP to flip the Constituion for the Iran deal is "winning" for my beliefs.
There are a lot of Republican assholes who need to be retired, if my values are never to be represented while the SJW batshit hordes get their win on every issue then I aim to place every Republican I can in the unemployment line.
Empowering La Raza to mainstream the disintegration of the US is just a bonus.
I have beliefs. I think my what was it 22 volumes of war and peace in posts kind of speaks to it, the issue here is efficacy NGU. At the end of the day the only thing worse for my beliefs than a GOP loss is a GOPe win.
You'll have to explain to me precisely when I get back to being a presence here with more regularity how empowering the GOP to flip the Constituion for the Iran deal is "winning" for my beliefs.
There are a lot of Republican assholes who need to be retired, if my values are never to be represented while the SJW batshit hordes get their win on every issue then I aim to place every Republican I can in the unemployment line.
Empowering La Raza to mainstream the disintegration of the US is just a bonus.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:48 PM (SzZnW)
605
[ ] Trump
[ ] Hillary
Chose one.
Simple as that.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (6t8+a)
Yup
[ ] Hillary
Chose one.
Simple as that.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (6t8+a)
Yup
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 03:48 PM (Ozsfq)
606
Rick - thanks for bringing a smile to my face today. It always comes back to pandering and slapping the base of his own party in the face.
Posted by: SH
Fixed it for you.
P.S. The MFM will conveniently forget that he did it, and his own base will not. But supposedly he and this stunt was smart.
Posted by: SH
Fixed it for you.
P.S. The MFM will conveniently forget that he did it, and his own base will not. But supposedly he and this stunt was smart.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 18, 2016 03:48 PM (326rv)
Posted by: Hitlery Poopypants at August 18, 2016 03:48 PM (qul7b)
608
Generally excellent, Ace, but I disagree with one thing (and maybe this is just my general pessimism showing through): I don't think this is an important election. In fact, I think it's the least important election of my lifetime. Trump is essentially a center-leftist. On economic issues (other than immigration), there isn't a dime's worth of difference in the two. Trump has shown no inclination to make government smaller. Crony capitalism takes a big government to dispense those favors and pay those businesses, and he's just like her in his support of crony capitalism. The only difference is who the cronies are.
I get your point about the permanent government class, but I think we've already lost on that. As you note, the FBI and the CIA are gone. The State Department is long gone. NASA's gone, for gosh sake. Others, like Education, VA, HHS, were gone from their very creation. Do you see Trump fighting against this? Did either Bush? As for the military, the brass has always been more political than the rest. In some cases, that's how they got to be the brass.
There were maybe 2 guys with the political temperament and ideology to attack this - Cruz and Rand Paul. And they lost. Now it's "Rocket ship to destruction, or high-speed, government funded monorail to destruction?" I just don't see this election as particularly important.
I get your point about the permanent government class, but I think we've already lost on that. As you note, the FBI and the CIA are gone. The State Department is long gone. NASA's gone, for gosh sake. Others, like Education, VA, HHS, were gone from their very creation. Do you see Trump fighting against this? Did either Bush? As for the military, the brass has always been more political than the rest. In some cases, that's how they got to be the brass.
There were maybe 2 guys with the political temperament and ideology to attack this - Cruz and Rand Paul. And they lost. Now it's "Rocket ship to destruction, or high-speed, government funded monorail to destruction?" I just don't see this election as particularly important.
Posted by: Ted K. at August 18, 2016 03:48 PM (seSmy)
609
603 fucking pussy, quitter, limp dick muther fucker. Just fucking quit now.
I'll never be back I have enjoyed this place for about 7-8 years . Now I'm done
Posted by: 300 at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (HuE/O)
7-8 years? I've been here 10 and this is the first time I've ever seen your handle.
Ciao.
I'll never be back I have enjoyed this place for about 7-8 years . Now I'm done
Posted by: 300 at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (HuE/O)
7-8 years? I've been here 10 and this is the first time I've ever seen your handle.
Ciao.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 18, 2016 03:48 PM (9P3OG)
610
#603 How interesting!
Posted by: HiHo at August 18, 2016 03:49 PM (CPk08)
611
I'll never be back I have enjoyed this place for about 7-8 years . Now I'm done
The East German judge gives 4.2 on the Flounce.
The East German judge gives 4.2 on the Flounce.
Posted by: Grump928(c) super pedant at August 18, 2016 03:49 PM (evdj2)
612
The number of people going to rallies doesn't tell you anything except that people are curious about the event. It can even tell you that people woh support this guy are really hardcore and will show up to rallies, but what it does not say is how popular that candidate is in general.
The biggest rally on earth is less than 50,000 people. In a nation of 300,000,000 that's a speck. Remember how popular Palin speeches were? She drew huge crowds, bigger than Obama. Didn't mean crap.
The biggest rally on earth is less than 50,000 people. In a nation of 300,000,000 that's a speck. Remember how popular Palin speeches were? She drew huge crowds, bigger than Obama. Didn't mean crap.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:49 PM (39g3+)
613
589
8 years of Hillary won't be so bad, if you're an illegal alien, a terrorist, or a government employee.
Posted by: wth at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (HgMAr)
New one same as the old one(HRC) = (Obama)
8 years of Hillary won't be so bad, if you're an illegal alien, a terrorist, or a government employee.
Posted by: wth at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (HgMAr)
New one same as the old one(HRC) = (Obama)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 18, 2016 03:50 PM (jxbfJ)
614
I'll never be back I have enjoyed this place for about 7-8 years . Now I'm done
*wipes tear with hankie*
You'll be missed.
*wipes tear with hankie*
You'll be missed.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 03:50 PM (mgbwf)
615
Also, I know it really bothers people, but Cruz being born in Canada was going to be a problem. Not necessarily legally, but even Democrats were conceding that had Obama been born in Kenya, it would have been a big problem.
That wouldn't have bothered me. But being a US Senator from a state that feels the effects of illegal immigration on a daily basis, is too much to forgive. Someone looked it up last week. Texas, TEXAS, spends $12 BILLION a year on illegals that would be better spent on legal citizens.
That wouldn't have bothered me. But being a US Senator from a state that feels the effects of illegal immigration on a daily basis, is too much to forgive. Someone looked it up last week. Texas, TEXAS, spends $12 BILLION a year on illegals that would be better spent on legal citizens.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:50 PM (AmeQT)
616
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:49 PM (39g3+)
You're just working for Hillary.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:49 PM (39g3+)
You're just working for Hillary.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:50 PM (BXcJU)
617
Trump is essentially a center-leftist.
People who think this fundamentally do not understand how far the LEFT has moved to the UBER LEFT.
People who think this fundamentally do not understand how far the LEFT has moved to the UBER LEFT.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (Ozsfq)
618
I'll never be back I have enjoyed this place for about 7-8 years . Now I'm done
Posted by: 300 at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (HuE/O)
Now who are you again?
I'll never be back I have enjoyed this place for about 7-8 years . Now I'm done
Posted by: 300 at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (HuE/O)
Now who are you again?
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (X+nFp)
619
For all you folks talking a turnout, I did go back and review the turnout in those States they call "tossups" that actually determine the elections. With the Demoncraps automatically getting NY and CA every time the Republicans can not afford to lose too many of States.
In every case in 2012 the Republican turnout increased over 2008 and in every case the Democrat turnout decreased. The problem was that that the Democrat turnout did not decrease enough to offset the margin.
And that turnout will go down a lot more with a white bread unindicted felon Scankles running instead of the "clean and articulate" black Obama.
In every case in 2012 the Republican turnout increased over 2008 and in every case the Democrat turnout decreased. The problem was that that the Democrat turnout did not decrease enough to offset the margin.
And that turnout will go down a lot more with a white bread unindicted felon Scankles running instead of the "clean and articulate" black Obama.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (mpXpK)
620
"Because I blame politicians that Dana Perino liked a lot more. And Allahpundit and Ed too."
Okay. A couple of bloggers sunk Trump.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:42 PM (BXcJU)
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Read that quote again...POLITICIANS...do you see that word?
My only attack on the two bloggers and the nanny is it highlights the mentality that is the problem. A culture of surrender, of fear, of conservatism in strategy...they are part of that culture that represents the leadership of the party, the Washington insiders, and TV personalities.
Every organization has a culture...in fact it attracts those kind of people and puts them into positions of power.
Okay. A couple of bloggers sunk Trump.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:42 PM (BXcJU)
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Read that quote again...POLITICIANS...do you see that word?
My only attack on the two bloggers and the nanny is it highlights the mentality that is the problem. A culture of surrender, of fear, of conservatism in strategy...they are part of that culture that represents the leadership of the party, the Washington insiders, and TV personalities.
Every organization has a culture...in fact it attracts those kind of people and puts them into positions of power.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (KhJh8)
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Pertaining to my #592
One person waiting in line to see Crooked Hillary in Cleveland. The gates open in 5 minutes.
https://twitter.com/AngryGoTFan/status/765932176609120256
One person waiting in line to see Crooked Hillary in Cleveland. The gates open in 5 minutes.
https://twitter.com/AngryGoTFan/status/765932176609120256
Posted by: andycanuck at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (LdMbv)
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I wish I could blink my eyes and it would be November 9th , 2016. What ever is going to happen between now and then in this election is going to be shitty.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (cLMWw)
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It's way too long until November to get this emotional.
Said it a million times ... will say it again. This country can't go on like this much longer. I'd be pissing my pants if I thought Hillary!, Obama, Ryan, McCain, and the rest of the DC Cabal could actually hold all this together and keep their scheme going. That would be miserable.
But they can't ... so it really doesn't matter all that much who wins in November. GOP is done regardless. DNC ain't that far behind. And the DC stranglehold not long after that.
All we're talking about is due date of the restructuring. And it's not decades away regardless.
Relax.
Said it a million times ... will say it again. This country can't go on like this much longer. I'd be pissing my pants if I thought Hillary!, Obama, Ryan, McCain, and the rest of the DC Cabal could actually hold all this together and keep their scheme going. That would be miserable.
But they can't ... so it really doesn't matter all that much who wins in November. GOP is done regardless. DNC ain't that far behind. And the DC stranglehold not long after that.
All we're talking about is due date of the restructuring. And it's not decades away regardless.
Relax.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (573j3)
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. The worst candidate the Democrats ever put for president will win - because the worse candidate of 17 people running for the GOP nomination, was the one we picked.
The clown car was mimicking one another, and almost all were serving first and foremost the GOPe. And trump came along and mopped the floor with them.
is he the best candidate for the general? Dunno? of them? based upon prior runs, most any of the others would be better.
Based upon their shitty primary performances, no.
The clown car was mimicking one another, and almost all were serving first and foremost the GOPe. And trump came along and mopped the floor with them.
is he the best candidate for the general? Dunno? of them? based upon prior runs, most any of the others would be better.
Based upon their shitty primary performances, no.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (326rv)
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Actually, on trade, it would be pretty hard for Trump to go much further left. If I understand correctly, the only modern economists who support his enthusiasm for protectionism are the most ideological of Marxists.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (mFkVC)
Historically, the Republicans have been the protectionist party. The Democrats were the "free" traders.
What do Marxists care about trade beyond gov't control of everything? There are people who disagree with the free trade ideology for perfectly sensible reasons. Trying to tar them as Marxists is a cheap shot.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 18, 2016 03:25 PM (mFkVC)
Historically, the Republicans have been the protectionist party. The Democrats were the "free" traders.
What do Marxists care about trade beyond gov't control of everything? There are people who disagree with the free trade ideology for perfectly sensible reasons. Trying to tar them as Marxists is a cheap shot.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (Ee2nz)
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"What do you base this on? He has no real campaign, no state wide offices in many states including swing states. He has farmed out his ground game to the dreaded GOP. His campaign seems in constant turmoil. He hasn't bothered to run a single ad to date. And whether people like it or not he has alienated a large part of the party he claims to represent and which he absolutely needs to win."
Uh, have you followed the news since at least yesterday?
He's opening offices in all 50 states. He's going to run Clinton ragged.
Bannon and Conway hires yesterday. His first ads begin on Friday in Florida and swing states.
And it's only frickin' August for god sakes.
I know you want to lose so you can be happy but unfortunately for you Trump is going to win in epic fashion.
Uh, have you followed the news since at least yesterday?
He's opening offices in all 50 states. He's going to run Clinton ragged.
Bannon and Conway hires yesterday. His first ads begin on Friday in Florida and swing states.
And it's only frickin' August for god sakes.
I know you want to lose so you can be happy but unfortunately for you Trump is going to win in epic fashion.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (syAr3)
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I'll bet anything that when that curtain closes Ace votes for Hillary.
I'd take your money if there were any way to know.
I'd take your money if there were any way to know.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (evdj2)
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"The reason most people never take action is because they lack motivation. They can't see why their lives will improve if they take action. There's no motivation. "
There is a certain portion of the registered Democratic voters who remains convinced that if a Republican is elected, EBT cards will be turned off.
And that they will no longer legally be able to kill their own unborn children.
That serves as motivation for some.
There is a certain portion of the registered Democratic voters who remains convinced that if a Republican is elected, EBT cards will be turned off.
And that they will no longer legally be able to kill their own unborn children.
That serves as motivation for some.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (6t8+a)
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Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (HalrA)
Instead of going to a new party, why not stay in the Republican Party and kick the GOPe out? If you add up Trump and Cruz results in the primaries, the anti-GOPe is a majority of the Republican voter base.
The GOPe can find a new home outside the party with the transnational progressives, with whom they differ little.
Instead of going to a new party, why not stay in the Republican Party and kick the GOPe out? If you add up Trump and Cruz results in the primaries, the anti-GOPe is a majority of the Republican voter base.
The GOPe can find a new home outside the party with the transnational progressives, with whom they differ little.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (PL2OL)
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The biggest rally on earth is less than 50,000
people. In a nation of 300,000,000 that's a speck. Remember how
popular Palin speeches were? She drew huge crowds, bigger than Obama.
Didn't mean crap.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:49 PM (39g3+)
well, i wouldn't say that. imagine mccains numbers if palin was not on the ticket.
people. In a nation of 300,000,000 that's a speck. Remember how
popular Palin speeches were? She drew huge crowds, bigger than Obama.
Didn't mean crap.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:49 PM (39g3+)
well, i wouldn't say that. imagine mccains numbers if palin was not on the ticket.
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (c6/9Q)
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@529...Jen. Agree with your last paragraph but not that Trump won't win. It is a long time til November 8th.
She was a great Press Secretary after the even greater Tony Snow sadly died, whose shoes no one could fill. I liked her on FOX, most of the time. At the time I also liked, very much, most of the people on FOX. Now I do not watch. I get my news from the Internet. Soon, very soon, we will cut cable. pfft
I cannot stand bias in the media. This is not journalism, it is opinion ranting and club mentality. It takes courage to go against the tide, and it is very, very rare with few exceptions. Was used to it from the liberal networks, but Mr. Trump has brought them all out of hiding and pretending to be conservatives. Simply because their guy, either Bush or Rubio, chosen in advance, LOST. They lost and the elite talking heads had a mass tantrum that still exists. Had one of their chosen delivered the speech Mr. Trump did on Monday they would have praised it.
Why, one may ask, did Mr. Trump have to battle the media, the moderators, the crowd (ok, obvious) as well as the others on stage at the debates? The FOX debate was the worst one of all. Daggers out. I would have gotten po'd, too. I think it is because he owes no one, no lobby, no stupid collection of worrying about political correctness. He is bringing everyone up from the bottom of the sewer, like gassy turds. FOX rose to the top of the bowl with that debate. The GOPe? They fear what may come in revealing that they are just as bad as the Dims. Benghazi, anyone? You know damn well some of them knew about gun running. Tip of iceberg, baby-cakes. While at least they did not go for Obamacare, the GOP has done NOTHING since gaining control of Congress due to career politicians and the lack of term limits.
I am not fooled again by talking heads. I can read and make up my mind. I do not give a gnat farht over their opinions and lectures on "conservatism." Trump/Pence will win.
Open minds, that is all I ask, vs lemmings jumping over cliffs in tandem like synchronized swimmers in tutus. Now, bite moi til the next terror attack when I jump back in. xoxo
She was a great Press Secretary after the even greater Tony Snow sadly died, whose shoes no one could fill. I liked her on FOX, most of the time. At the time I also liked, very much, most of the people on FOX. Now I do not watch. I get my news from the Internet. Soon, very soon, we will cut cable. pfft
I cannot stand bias in the media. This is not journalism, it is opinion ranting and club mentality. It takes courage to go against the tide, and it is very, very rare with few exceptions. Was used to it from the liberal networks, but Mr. Trump has brought them all out of hiding and pretending to be conservatives. Simply because their guy, either Bush or Rubio, chosen in advance, LOST. They lost and the elite talking heads had a mass tantrum that still exists. Had one of their chosen delivered the speech Mr. Trump did on Monday they would have praised it.
Why, one may ask, did Mr. Trump have to battle the media, the moderators, the crowd (ok, obvious) as well as the others on stage at the debates? The FOX debate was the worst one of all. Daggers out. I would have gotten po'd, too. I think it is because he owes no one, no lobby, no stupid collection of worrying about political correctness. He is bringing everyone up from the bottom of the sewer, like gassy turds. FOX rose to the top of the bowl with that debate. The GOPe? They fear what may come in revealing that they are just as bad as the Dims. Benghazi, anyone? You know damn well some of them knew about gun running. Tip of iceberg, baby-cakes. While at least they did not go for Obamacare, the GOP has done NOTHING since gaining control of Congress due to career politicians and the lack of term limits.
I am not fooled again by talking heads. I can read and make up my mind. I do not give a gnat farht over their opinions and lectures on "conservatism." Trump/Pence will win.
Open minds, that is all I ask, vs lemmings jumping over cliffs in tandem like synchronized swimmers in tutus. Now, bite moi til the next terror attack when I jump back in. xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (h0PYG)
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I see Trump as a normal guy with a set personality, and even though he's now running for President, he doesn't feel the need to change (i.e. be fake) just to please the GOPe and the pundits. I, for one, appreciate that. And given the multitude of pitfalls and traps the Dems, the media, and the GOP set for him every day, my opinion is he ain't doing all that bad. And I guess there's 10's of thousands of people that take the time to go to each of his events that would agree with me.
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 18, 2016 03:44 PM (jail)
The 10s of 1000s of people who go to Trump rallies appear to be a minority of the voting public, and those are the people that choose the winner.
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 18, 2016 03:44 PM (jail)
The 10s of 1000s of people who go to Trump rallies appear to be a minority of the voting public, and those are the people that choose the winner.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (laMCB)
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Russia is currently moving 40,000 troops to the Ukrainian border and we're talking about Trump instead of Clinton's miserable diplomatic failure in the region.
Russia is currently moving 40,000 troops to the Ukrainian border and we're talking about Trump instead of Clinton's miserable diplomatic failure in the region.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (lKyWE)
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nice winter/lake analogy but still early for the ice to be forming to the degree you suggest. as to Perino, always had the hots for her despite her establishment ties. at least she's not a vocal NeverTrumper. she is more masculine than a good number of them, I would add and she is a lady.
Posted by: oddknot still frets at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (g1MTt)
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Jeb by 22: That was a joke.
Suppose Trump toned down the outrageous tweets and gave two serious speeches, one on foreign policy, one on law-and-order.
Are you guys asking for something that actually happened this week but escaped your notice?
Suppose Trump toned down the outrageous tweets and gave two serious speeches, one on foreign policy, one on law-and-order.
Are you guys asking for something that actually happened this week but escaped your notice?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (VdICR)
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but unfortunately for you Trump is going to win in epic fashion.
Or lose, or squeak out a win.
The future is cloudy. Try again later.
Or lose, or squeak out a win.
The future is cloudy. Try again later.
Posted by: Grump928(c) consults the 8 Ball. at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (evdj2)
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Posted by: William Eaton at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (KhJh
"Culture of surrender?"
The election is lost. The people who actually wanted to fight were the ones supporting nominating someone with a chance to win. Acknowledging that Trump is going down to miserable defeat is not a surrender mentality, it's just stating the obvious. Whether Susan Collins supports Trump or not, he's toast.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (KhJh
"Culture of surrender?"
The election is lost. The people who actually wanted to fight were the ones supporting nominating someone with a chance to win. Acknowledging that Trump is going down to miserable defeat is not a surrender mentality, it's just stating the obvious. Whether Susan Collins supports Trump or not, he's toast.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (BXcJU)
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Instead of going to a new party, why not stay in the Republican Party and kick the GOPe out? If you add up Trump and Cruz results in the primaries, the anti-GOPe is a majority of the Republican voter base.
The GOPe can find a new home outside the party with the transnational progressives, with whom they differ little.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (PL2OL)
Well that would be the rational thing to do of course.
The GOPe can find a new home outside the party with the transnational progressives, with whom they differ little.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (PL2OL)
Well that would be the rational thing to do of course.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (Ozsfq)
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I'll never be back I have enjoyed this place for about 7-8 years . Now I'm done
Posted by: 300
Oh great, we're 300 short. How will we make the rent this month!?!
Posted by: 300
Oh great, we're 300 short. How will we make the rent this month!?!
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (326rv)
640
Gee there's a shock. Person has shown up to talk about Trump.
Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (z/Ubi)
641
Since all the moron voters watch TV, I'll wait to see Trumps ads before I throw in the towel.
Posted by: Mr Wonderful at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (ye3xP)
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I'm going to be doing the same thing, Ace.
A large part of Trump's base will likely leave the GOP after the election (if he loses) and join Big Tent Hillary's Democrats.
Hell, maybe we can breathe some life back into the Blue Dogs. I'll take a conservative-leaning Democrat over these "True Conservative" self-loathing losers any day.
A large part of Trump's base will likely leave the GOP after the election (if he loses) and join Big Tent Hillary's Democrats.
Hell, maybe we can breathe some life back into the Blue Dogs. I'll take a conservative-leaning Democrat over these "True Conservative" self-loathing losers any day.
Posted by: KHAN's Other Wife at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (WSTrb)
643
Who am I? Why am I here?
Posted by: Stockdale at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (jzFdl)
644
These are all the same people that said Trump would never be nominated.Including Ace
Posted by: Deno1 at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (HxYMT)
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Trump is essentially a center-leftist.
People who think this fundamentally do not understand how far the LEFT has moved to the UBER LEFT.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Oh please
Trump is "left" on trade, but so am I, at least I'm willing to levy some tarrifs on shit hole countries that hate America and take us to the cleaners
Trump has sounded a hell of a lot more conservative than past GOP Presidential nominees if you listened to his speeches.
People who think this fundamentally do not understand how far the LEFT has moved to the UBER LEFT.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Oh please
Trump is "left" on trade, but so am I, at least I'm willing to levy some tarrifs on shit hole countries that hate America and take us to the cleaners
Trump has sounded a hell of a lot more conservative than past GOP Presidential nominees if you listened to his speeches.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (qX02u)
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Historically, the Republicans have been the protectionist party. The Democrats were the "free" traders.
Smoot and Hawley were Republicans, but the conservative movement has been pretty much free trade since Hayek and Friedman.
Which held until whatever the fuck Trump is.
Smoot and Hawley were Republicans, but the conservative movement has been pretty much free trade since Hayek and Friedman.
Which held until whatever the fuck Trump is.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (mgbwf)
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Every time I start thinking the Democrats are bulletproof, I recall 'Yeeaaaaargh!'. I recall the Weiner pics.
Ridicule is their greatest weapon. It's also their kryptonite. Reagan demolished Mondale to 49-1 with one frickin' joke. Even he laughed!
If Trump can establish amused mastery against Shrillary it's in the bag. He'll destroy her female support.
Ridicule is their greatest weapon. It's also their kryptonite. Reagan demolished Mondale to 49-1 with one frickin' joke. Even he laughed!
If Trump can establish amused mastery against Shrillary it's in the bag. He'll destroy her female support.
Posted by: esch's itchy feet at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (hliil)
Posted by: Hitlery Poopypants at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (qul7b)
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And that turnout will go down a lot more with a white bread unindicted felon Scankles running instead of the "clean and articulate" black Obama.
And that's the thing that make me not simply 100% without hesitation give the vote to Hillary. She's working really hard to get hispanic votes, but I don't think they can make up for the loss of black votes and "I don't want to seem racist" white guilt votes from Obama elections.
I still expect her to win, but there's a small margin of possibility Trump wins.
Either way, we lose. Trump would be a gigantic RINO who won't do a damn thing he ran on.
And that turnout will go down a lot more with a white bread unindicted felon Scankles running instead of the "clean and articulate" black Obama.
And that's the thing that make me not simply 100% without hesitation give the vote to Hillary. She's working really hard to get hispanic votes, but I don't think they can make up for the loss of black votes and "I don't want to seem racist" white guilt votes from Obama elections.
I still expect her to win, but there's a small margin of possibility Trump wins.
Either way, we lose. Trump would be a gigantic RINO who won't do a damn thing he ran on.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (39g3+)
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Gee there's a shock. Person has shown up to talk about Trump.
Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (z/Ubi)
everytime Ace goes off on one of these rants, he opens the door to him to and others of his ilk. It's a story as old as time.
Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (z/Ubi)
everytime Ace goes off on one of these rants, he opens the door to him to and others of his ilk. It's a story as old as time.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (Ozsfq)
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#631 Now, bite moi til the next terror attack when I jump back in. xoxo
Depending on where you want to be bitten, I might take you up on that.
Depending on where you want to be bitten, I might take you up on that.
Posted by: HiHo at August 18, 2016 03:55 PM (CPk08)
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Are there people who just troll the internet looking for this type of thread and comment either about how terrible Ace is or how all right people stink?. Yes, I've made mistake before with thinking an infrequent poster was a troll, but these are names I've never seen before and they haven't commented on any other type of thread-not ONT, not Art, not movie reviews, not "stupid movie with foodstuffs as multi gendered characters"
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2016 03:55 PM (6HqlZ)
653
603
Did you remember to sign the guest book?
Did you remember to sign the guest book?
Posted by: wth at August 18, 2016 03:55 PM (HgMAr)
654
588
[ ] Trump
[ ] Hillary
Chose one.
Simple as that.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (6t8+a)
Nailed it. Those are the only two choices of any consequence. Anything else is basically a protest, or choosing not to decide on the issue at hand. As the old song goes, if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
[ ] Trump
[ ] Hillary
Chose one.
Simple as that.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 03:46 PM (6t8+a)
Nailed it. Those are the only two choices of any consequence. Anything else is basically a protest, or choosing not to decide on the issue at hand. As the old song goes, if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 18, 2016 03:55 PM (HalrA)
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I think it's difficult for many of us who lived through election night 2000 to vest credibility and authority in the MSM and its polls. We know that even if they aren't jiggering the polls, they certainly want to in order to create a sense of momentum for That Awful Woman. That's the origin of the skepticism - the Heisenberg effect of polling that doesn't simply measure voter sentiment, it simultaneously creates and affects it. So, paradoxically, incorrect or incorrectly weighted polls have the effect of making their incorrect predictions come true.
It's also possible (without knowing how likely it is) that the traditional models upon which the polls are based aren't rigged, but they're simply wrong because Trump attracts some non-traditional Republican voters while alienating other more traditional Republican voters. That said, if the voters he's attracting are labor types who are registered Democrats, over-sampling of Democrats should redound to his benefit in the poll results.
It's also possible (without knowing how likely it is) that the traditional models upon which the polls are based aren't rigged, but they're simply wrong because Trump attracts some non-traditional Republican voters while alienating other more traditional Republican voters. That said, if the voters he's attracting are labor types who are registered Democrats, over-sampling of Democrats should redound to his benefit in the poll results.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at August 18, 2016 03:55 PM (WzlF7)
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"He did say it once. I heard it. I think he meant to say big league but it came out bigly."
I assumed it was a joke.
But, I just saw it used in a Washington Examiner quote of Trump. Maybe its becoming a thing. A bigly thing.
I assumed it was a joke.
But, I just saw it used in a Washington Examiner quote of Trump. Maybe its becoming a thing. A bigly thing.
Posted by: Harun at August 18, 2016 03:56 PM (UBBWX)
657
640 Gee there's a shock. Person has shown up to talk about Trump.
Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (z/Ubi)
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Actually, I was mainly talking about Cruz.
Posted by: buzzion at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (z/Ubi)
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Actually, I was mainly talking about Cruz.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 18, 2016 03:56 PM (mFkVC)
658
622 I wish I could blink my eyes and it would be November 9th , 2016. What ever is going to happen between now and then in this election is going to be shitty.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (cLMWw)
What? And miss the debate(s)?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (cLMWw)
What? And miss the debate(s)?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 03:56 PM (SRKgf)
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Trump is a nationalist conservative, not one of those globalist conservatives that we'd gotten so used to (Romney, McShame, Dubya post-9/11).
Posted by: KHAN's Other Wife at August 18, 2016 03:56 PM (WSTrb)
Posted by: Hitlery Poopypants at August 18, 2016 03:56 PM (qul7b)
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Actually, I was mainly talking about Cruz.
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 18, 2016 03:56 PM (mFkVC)
Who?
Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 18, 2016 03:56 PM (mFkVC)
Who?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 03:56 PM (SRKgf)
662
Said it before ....The Pantsuit will commit ANY felony required to win...seriously.
The Trumpster /Bannon will go for the Hag's jugular --in a non-felonious way.
Judgment Day approaches.
The Trumpster /Bannon will go for the Hag's jugular --in a non-felonious way.
Judgment Day approaches.
Posted by: Lower class person whose opinions must be guided at August 18, 2016 03:56 PM (AV4JD)
663
Hillary is running to win. Trump...Isn't even running.
Posted by: TKYC at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (Kdt2H)
I'll use the troll's comment to refute this meme.
Trump is doing three or four state rallies every week. He just gave a highly praised speech, that took some guts, in Milwaukee four days ago. He gave a well received foreign policy speech a few days before that. His economic speech given in Detroit, about two weeks ago, also received praise.
I get a phone call EVERY DAY from his campaign. I've received probably about a hundred mail solicitations for donations,etc. I cannot open facebook or my email server without a Trump ad coming up. His pacs are running ads in Michigan several times a week.
One of the reasons cited for his new hires to his campaign(his campaign is not in disarray, my word, he ought to get some credit for being able to swiftly recognize weak areas and resolve them) so that he can do much more effective social media and internet reach.
He most certainly is running.
Posted by: TKYC at August 18, 2016 03:47 PM (Kdt2H)
I'll use the troll's comment to refute this meme.
Trump is doing three or four state rallies every week. He just gave a highly praised speech, that took some guts, in Milwaukee four days ago. He gave a well received foreign policy speech a few days before that. His economic speech given in Detroit, about two weeks ago, also received praise.
I get a phone call EVERY DAY from his campaign. I've received probably about a hundred mail solicitations for donations,etc. I cannot open facebook or my email server without a Trump ad coming up. His pacs are running ads in Michigan several times a week.
One of the reasons cited for his new hires to his campaign(his campaign is not in disarray, my word, he ought to get some credit for being able to swiftly recognize weak areas and resolve them) so that he can do much more effective social media and internet reach.
He most certainly is running.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 18, 2016 03:57 PM (JbgDR)
664
300?
Thats how many licks it takes to get to the center of my...
Posted by: Hitlery Poopypants at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (qul7b)
..................
Hispanic Lesbian Taco?
Thats how many licks it takes to get to the center of my...
Posted by: Hitlery Poopypants at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (qul7b)
..................
Hispanic Lesbian Taco?
Posted by: wth at August 18, 2016 03:57 PM (HgMAr)
665
And that turnout will go down a lot more with a white bread unindicted felon Scankles running instead of the "clean and articulate" black Obama.
_________
Its definitely a factor, Democrats would have easily lost in 2012 had Hillary been the President.
If Democrats can't get minorities and Millenials lined up around the block, they'll lose.
_________
Its definitely a factor, Democrats would have easily lost in 2012 had Hillary been the President.
If Democrats can't get minorities and Millenials lined up around the block, they'll lose.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 03:57 PM (qX02u)
666
300?
Thats how many licks it takes to get to the center of my...
Posted by: Hitlery Poopypants
Depends.
Thats how many licks it takes to get to the center of my...
Posted by: Hitlery Poopypants
Depends.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:57 PM (AmeQT)
667
he opens the door to him to and others of his ilk.
Sounds like some open portal from hell hell or a place where all the evil ghosts pop through
Sounds like some open portal from hell hell or a place where all the evil ghosts pop through
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2016 03:57 PM (6HqlZ)
668
646 Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (mgbwf)
Which again highlights the problem.
Nixon was a Keynes Price control slinging protectionist.....but after him the Hayek/Friedman wing took over, now we have a party led by "Hannity" types who ape the words but don't grasp the meaning.
Which again highlights the problem.
Nixon was a Keynes Price control slinging protectionist.....but after him the Hayek/Friedman wing took over, now we have a party led by "Hannity" types who ape the words but don't grasp the meaning.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 03:57 PM (SzZnW)
669
Trump is a nationalist conservative, not one of those globalist conservatives that we'd gotten so used to (Romney, McShame, Dubya post-9/11).
--------------
Honest question - what is a globalist conservative? Is that someone who is for free trade and open borders? What if you are for free trade but not open borders?
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Honest question - what is a globalist conservative? Is that someone who is for free trade and open borders? What if you are for free trade but not open borders?
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:57 PM (gmeXX)
670
Dana and her nevertrumps buds are acting no different than they usually do at election time....even between elections the GOP desperately flees the fox hole when anyone in the party is in trouble.
Have they ever heard of circling the wagons???
The GOP is a party of sissified men, listening to idiots like Dana.
They are dead and just don't know it yet.
Have they ever heard of circling the wagons???
The GOP is a party of sissified men, listening to idiots like Dana.
They are dead and just don't know it yet.
Posted by: Pam at August 18, 2016 03:58 PM (cF0hS)
Posted by: Grump928(c) consults the 8 Ball. at August 18, 2016 03:58 PM (evdj2)
672
Trump was smart to raise the fraud issue. He should continue to do so in FL and PA, two battleground states where the Dems have their fraud machines turned up to 11.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 03:58 PM (cLMWw)
673
It is going to come down to the Democratic voters being so disgusted that they will stay home vs. the Republican ones riding the Trump train.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (jxbfJ)
No, it's going to come to whether the dems can frighten enough Dems and indies with "Trump is Hitler!!!" to get them to turn out even though they don't like Hill that much. I know a few people who are already convinced that Trump wants to be dictator of the world, while Hillary is just an normally sleazy pol. There is no talking to them.
The Dems cynically talk about "the politics of fear." They know all about that and are masters at exploiting it.
That's why all that talk about how many more people show up at Trump rallies doesn't mean a goddamn thing. The vote of a person who is unenthusiastic about Hill but very scared of Trump counts as much as (and in some jurisdictions, more than) the vote of the most passionate Trump fan.
It is going to come down to the Democratic voters being so disgusted that they will stay home vs. the Republican ones riding the Trump train.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 18, 2016 03:43 PM (jxbfJ)
No, it's going to come to whether the dems can frighten enough Dems and indies with "Trump is Hitler!!!" to get them to turn out even though they don't like Hill that much. I know a few people who are already convinced that Trump wants to be dictator of the world, while Hillary is just an normally sleazy pol. There is no talking to them.
The Dems cynically talk about "the politics of fear." They know all about that and are masters at exploiting it.
That's why all that talk about how many more people show up at Trump rallies doesn't mean a goddamn thing. The vote of a person who is unenthusiastic about Hill but very scared of Trump counts as much as (and in some jurisdictions, more than) the vote of the most passionate Trump fan.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at August 18, 2016 03:58 PM (u0lmX)
674
The largest media investment in a Republican candidate in history.
More than all others in the campaign combined.
But only in the primary.
The MFM always picks our candidates, because we're fucktards. This time they just made sure by blowing the budget to make sure.
The fix was in, whether you want to think it was phone calls by the Clinton Machine or Journolist 3.5 or Just Plain Honest Greed except that it all suddenly changed at the end of the primaries...
Hell, by the time the Primaries got to my state, there was only one candidate. I didn't *have* a choice. Might have well have been a North Korean primary for me, apart from the starvation and torture.
Dumbest effing election ever.
More than all others in the campaign combined.
But only in the primary.
The MFM always picks our candidates, because we're fucktards. This time they just made sure by blowing the budget to make sure.
The fix was in, whether you want to think it was phone calls by the Clinton Machine or Journolist 3.5 or Just Plain Honest Greed except that it all suddenly changed at the end of the primaries...
Hell, by the time the Primaries got to my state, there was only one candidate. I didn't *have* a choice. Might have well have been a North Korean primary for me, apart from the starvation and torture.
Dumbest effing election ever.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 18, 2016 03:58 PM (wB8Tg)
675
"President, he doesn't feel the need to change........"
So he wastes time and opportunity by banging on about stupid shit that doesn't make a bit of difference to this election. Not to mention shoveling coal into the MSM boilers, like John Henry on metharoids.
So he wastes time and opportunity by banging on about stupid shit that doesn't make a bit of difference to this election. Not to mention shoveling coal into the MSM boilers, like John Henry on metharoids.
Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at August 18, 2016 03:58 PM (QM5S2)
676
Instead of going to a new party, why not stay in the
Republican Party and kick the GOPe out? If you add up Trump and Cruz
results in the primaries, the anti-GOPe is a majority of the Republican
voter base.
The GOPe can find a new home outside the party with the transnational progressives, with whom they differ little.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (PL2OL)
Because we've been trying that since '08 and it hasn't worked, and there's no sign that it's about to start working. We're running out of time.
Republican Party and kick the GOPe out? If you add up Trump and Cruz
results in the primaries, the anti-GOPe is a majority of the Republican
voter base.
The GOPe can find a new home outside the party with the transnational progressives, with whom they differ little.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (PL2OL)
Because we've been trying that since '08 and it hasn't worked, and there's no sign that it's about to start working. We're running out of time.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 18, 2016 03:58 PM (HalrA)
677
Since 300 is leaving after all these years (and I for one will miss all 300 of them dearly) I call dibs on their platinum membership. And on all their remaining ampersands.
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Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 18, 2016 03:59 PM (X+nFp)
678
I'm voting for whichever candidate helps me build this deck.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 18, 2016 03:59 PM (573j3)
679
Man, look at all the rats.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 03:59 PM (i/pfX)
680
This election is a lose - lose proposition.
Get on board Convention of States project.
Get on board Convention of States project.
Posted by: Derptastic at August 18, 2016 03:59 PM (b8jcS)
681
"And if everyone's equally awful, I might as well align myself with the
team that's going to be controlling the persecution powers of government
for the next 20 years."
Text book loser talk.
team that's going to be controlling the persecution powers of government
for the next 20 years."
Text book loser talk.
Posted by: astonerii at August 18, 2016 03:59 PM (ia088)
682
He most certainly is running.
Yeah he was holding fire, and money, until recently. And why not? Its a waste earlier, and it saved him money to use when it counts. The guy is barely down by a few points (overall, in the aggregate polling) and spent virtually nothing against Hillary. I call that smart, not losing or some stooge in place only to help Hillary win.
Trump might not have a problem with the Clintons, but he's a big time magnate tycoon type. They don't play to lose or to help others to win. They play to win, and win only.
He most certainly is running.
Yeah he was holding fire, and money, until recently. And why not? Its a waste earlier, and it saved him money to use when it counts. The guy is barely down by a few points (overall, in the aggregate polling) and spent virtually nothing against Hillary. I call that smart, not losing or some stooge in place only to help Hillary win.
Trump might not have a problem with the Clintons, but he's a big time magnate tycoon type. They don't play to lose or to help others to win. They play to win, and win only.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 03:59 PM (39g3+)
683
What result did you expect from destroying the GOP?
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 18, 2016 03:59 PM (fn3+8)
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 04:00 PM (AmeQT)
685
Honest question - what is a globalist conservative?
Is that someone who is for free trade and open borders? What if you
are for free trade but not open borders?
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:57 PM (gmeXX)
globalism is for free trade, like crony capitalism is for capitalism
Is that someone who is for free trade and open borders? What if you
are for free trade but not open borders?
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:57 PM (gmeXX)
globalism is for free trade, like crony capitalism is for capitalism
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 04:00 PM (c6/9Q)
686
"Don't mean nuttin'."
Well, at a minimum, it shows just how wrong all the pundits and political classes were when they said he would lose and lose big.
So he took their narrative and destroyed it.
Of course, that doesn't stop the naysayers and saboteurs.
Well, at a minimum, it shows just how wrong all the pundits and political classes were when they said he would lose and lose big.
So he took their narrative and destroyed it.
Of course, that doesn't stop the naysayers and saboteurs.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 04:00 PM (syAr3)
687
"
A large part of Trump's base will likely leave the GOP after the election (if he loses) and join Big Tent Hillary's Democrats.
Hell, maybe we can breathe some life back into the Blue Dogs. I'll take a conservative-leaning Democrat over these "True Conservative" self-loathing losers any day."
To be honest, I think a lot of Trump's support is from white ex-Democrats.
It explains how everything is uneasy, because they're essentially refugees trying to fit into the GOP.
The Dems are all in on identity politics and cultural marxism. I don't think Trump people will go back.
The issue is we probably need 3+ parties, like Germany:
Lefty
Righty - so-con/nationalist
smaller free market liberal party. FDP in Germany.
But as we have first past the post its harder.
A large part of Trump's base will likely leave the GOP after the election (if he loses) and join Big Tent Hillary's Democrats.
Hell, maybe we can breathe some life back into the Blue Dogs. I'll take a conservative-leaning Democrat over these "True Conservative" self-loathing losers any day."
To be honest, I think a lot of Trump's support is from white ex-Democrats.
It explains how everything is uneasy, because they're essentially refugees trying to fit into the GOP.
The Dems are all in on identity politics and cultural marxism. I don't think Trump people will go back.
The issue is we probably need 3+ parties, like Germany:
Lefty
Righty - so-con/nationalist
smaller free market liberal party. FDP in Germany.
But as we have first past the post its harder.
Posted by: Harun at August 18, 2016 04:00 PM (UBBWX)
688
Russia is currently moving 40,000 troops to the Ukrainian border and we're talking about Trump instead of Clinton's miserable diplomatic failure in the region.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (lKyWE)
How do you say "Fuck, I knew we shouldn't have trusted Clinton's promise of protection and given up our nukes. That'll teach us to trust a Democrat" in Ukrainian?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (lKyWE)
How do you say "Fuck, I knew we shouldn't have trusted Clinton's promise of protection and given up our nukes. That'll teach us to trust a Democrat" in Ukrainian?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 04:00 PM (SRKgf)
689
"This will make you safer." "This will give you jobs." Tweet-sized distillation. This is what Ace asked for (after the Romney loss IIRC). It might be the least-attractive version of what you (and most of us) asked for, but you got it. You might have rubbed on a lamp because otherwise wishes don't come true.
Ok actually it was the Monkey's Paw, but my point still stands.
Ok actually it was the Monkey's Paw, but my point still stands.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2016 04:00 PM (VdICR)
690
Hey, no hot flashes here! And I was an AWESOME POTUS!
*THUD*
Shit, my arm fell off again.
Headless Agnew, get that!
Hey, no hot flashes here! And I was an AWESOME POTUS!
*THUD*
Shit, my arm fell off again.
Headless Agnew, get that!
Posted by: Zombie Nixon at August 18, 2016 04:00 PM (qul7b)
691
>>Uh, have you followed the news since at least yesterday?
>>He's opening offices in all 50 states. He's going to run Clinton ragged.
>>Bannon and Conway hires yesterday. His first ads begin on Friday in Florida and swing states.
>>And it's only frickin' August for god sakes.
>>I know you want to lose so you can be happy but unfortunately for you Trump is going to win in epic fashion.
Don't be childish. I don't want Trump to lose, he seems to want to lose though. His new campaign team is the 3rd in what, 5 months? Super.
Trump is relying on the RNC to help him open and staff the campaign offices. It's been going on for over a week.
That fact that it's mid-August is not a happy thing for Trump. Hillary's campaign has been organizing for months, is better staffed, funded and organized. It takes a huge effort to beat the Democrats. There are more of them, they own the msm and they cheat.
You haven't given a single factual reason as to why Trump will win other than because you say so. That seems to be Trump's style as well. It's not going to win the Presidency. By the way, who the fuq are you? I'm seeing a whole bunch of nics I've never seen before around here lately.
>>He's opening offices in all 50 states. He's going to run Clinton ragged.
>>Bannon and Conway hires yesterday. His first ads begin on Friday in Florida and swing states.
>>And it's only frickin' August for god sakes.
>>I know you want to lose so you can be happy but unfortunately for you Trump is going to win in epic fashion.
Don't be childish. I don't want Trump to lose, he seems to want to lose though. His new campaign team is the 3rd in what, 5 months? Super.
Trump is relying on the RNC to help him open and staff the campaign offices. It's been going on for over a week.
That fact that it's mid-August is not a happy thing for Trump. Hillary's campaign has been organizing for months, is better staffed, funded and organized. It takes a huge effort to beat the Democrats. There are more of them, they own the msm and they cheat.
You haven't given a single factual reason as to why Trump will win other than because you say so. That seems to be Trump's style as well. It's not going to win the Presidency. By the way, who the fuq are you? I'm seeing a whole bunch of nics I've never seen before around here lately.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2016 04:00 PM (/tuJf)
692
Instead of going to a new party, why not stay in the Republican Party and kick the GOPe out? If you add up Trump and Cruz results in the primaries, the anti-GOPe is a majority of the Republican voter base.
The GOPe can find a new home outside the party with the transnational progressives, with whom they differ little.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (PL2OL)
Isn't that what the Tea Party & Trump's supporters have been trying to do? We see what happened to the Tea Party & what is happening to Trump. The powerful don't give up their power.
The GOPe can find a new home outside the party with the transnational progressives, with whom they differ little.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (PL2OL)
Isn't that what the Tea Party & Trump's supporters have been trying to do? We see what happened to the Tea Party & what is happening to Trump. The powerful don't give up their power.
Posted by: josephistan at August 18, 2016 04:00 PM (7HtZB)
693
What debate(s)?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 04:00 PM (AmeQT)
If one comes off, that is.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 04:00 PM (AmeQT)
If one comes off, that is.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 04:01 PM (SRKgf)
694
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 03:59 PM (i/pfX)
Yup, and don't turn your back in the Fox Hole, or you will find your all alone. LOL
Yup, and don't turn your back in the Fox Hole, or you will find your all alone. LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 04:01 PM (Ozsfq)
695
I'm still convinced most polling is done by leftists and just lkke the news slants questions their way. We know the news of all media is a lier but you can't tell me polling is as pure as the driven snow.
Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2016 04:01 PM (bksJQ)
696
whew is this ever a port in the storm...just stopped by the gayity that is HotAir and Allah's pimping a Texas Tribune poll showing Perry beating Cruz.
Pajamaboy needs to get out more.
Pajamaboy needs to get out more.
Posted by: DanMan at August 18, 2016 04:01 PM (zRf7o)
697
For anyone still saying Trump will win: if he loses, will you just admit he was a bad candidate and not blame kulaks NeverTrump?
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:01 PM (BXcJU)
698
"I'm voting for whichever candidate helps me build this deck."
If I was anywhere near you I'd lend a hand. You doing this into the yard, patio?
If I was anywhere near you I'd lend a hand. You doing this into the yard, patio?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 04:01 PM (i/pfX)
699
They've released the video from the gas station in Brazil. Yes, they were there but that's about all you can see. It's all video from outside the station. You see them get in a cab that was at a pump and then see the attendants milling around and someone comes and gets them out of the cab. Then there's another view of them being told to sit down on the ground.
If this is all they got....meh.
http://tinyurl.com/wnv
If this is all they got....meh.
http://tinyurl.com/wnv
Posted by: Tami at August 18, 2016 04:01 PM (Enq6K)
700
Russia is currently moving 40,000 troops to the Ukrainian border and we're talking about Trump instead of Clinton's miserable diplomatic failure in the region.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (lKyWE)
And Susan Rice says the World is the best shape it's ever been in. LMAO
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (lKyWE)
And Susan Rice says the World is the best shape it's ever been in. LMAO
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (Ozsfq)
701
And again, if these stupid loser motherfuckers in this party are determined to lose, and thus expose anyone stupid enough to agitate for them to political persecution by the fully empowered Clinton-Media Complex, then no, I'm not willing to be on that team any more. I'm not willing to risk myself on behalf of losers.
That's sort of where I'm at. It's not even that they're determined to lose; it's that they're determined the Republican Party should lose if they don't control it. This is all Deep State stuff - Republicans in government have more in common with Democrats in government than with the people who voted for them.
Anyway, I'm not sure it matters. The Democrats and the business interests controlling the GOP have managed to shift the demographics such that people relying on government for their daily bread outnumber the people paying for it.
I know it's sort of a cliche to compare the modern US to the last days of the Roman Empire, but this guy lays out a pretty damn convincing case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh7rdCYCQ_U
That's sort of where I'm at. It's not even that they're determined to lose; it's that they're determined the Republican Party should lose if they don't control it. This is all Deep State stuff - Republicans in government have more in common with Democrats in government than with the people who voted for them.
Anyway, I'm not sure it matters. The Democrats and the business interests controlling the GOP have managed to shift the demographics such that people relying on government for their daily bread outnumber the people paying for it.
I know it's sort of a cliche to compare the modern US to the last days of the Roman Empire, but this guy lays out a pretty damn convincing case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh7rdCYCQ_U
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (Xuv2G)
702
"The powerful don't give up their power."
same old story, except with internet, blogs and twitter
same old story, except with internet, blogs and twitter
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (c6/9Q)
703
Honest question - what is a globalist conservative? Is that someone who is for free trade and open borders? What if you are for free trade but not open borders?
Posted by: SH
The problem is, it's a rare creature, and usually the Republicans saying this are just lying to the rubes.
Almost verbatim the same arguments for free trade are for open borders.
Regardless, disqualifying Trump as a conservative because of trade issues is pretty petty, tariffs are probably like 1% of federal revenue.
Posted by: SH
The problem is, it's a rare creature, and usually the Republicans saying this are just lying to the rubes.
Almost verbatim the same arguments for free trade are for open borders.
Regardless, disqualifying Trump as a conservative because of trade issues is pretty petty, tariffs are probably like 1% of federal revenue.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (qX02u)
704
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 18, 2016 03:59 PM (573j3)
LOL, Thanks; This thread needed a little humor.
And good luck!
LOL, Thanks; This thread needed a little humor.
And good luck!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (6HqlZ)
705
wish I could blink my eyes and it would be November 9th , 2016. What ever is going to happen between now and then in this election is going to be shitty.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (cLMWw)
What? And miss the debate(s)?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 03:56 PM (SRKgf)
The debates are going to be like Michael Scott on bath salts vs the Pathological Lying I've Fallen and Can't Get Up Lady .
It would be too uncomfortable too watch.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 03:51 PM (cLMWw)
What? And miss the debate(s)?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 03:56 PM (SRKgf)
The debates are going to be like Michael Scott on bath salts vs the Pathological Lying I've Fallen and Can't Get Up Lady .
It would be too uncomfortable too watch.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (cLMWw)
706
C'mon Ace. Pick yourself up off the floor and take a breath. Put this in perspective. Maybe Trump loses. Okay - it's still not the end of the fight.
Nobody can predict the future. All manner of things could happen in the next 4 years, not all of them bad. Time passes, the wind changes.
Maybe the polling is right. But maybe not. It's a strange election season.
It's only August 18th...
Nobody can predict the future. All manner of things could happen in the next 4 years, not all of them bad. Time passes, the wind changes.
Maybe the polling is right. But maybe not. It's a strange election season.
It's only August 18th...
Posted by: Agemt Cooper at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (1zARK)
707
Isn't that what the Tea Party Trump's
supporters have been trying to do? We see what happened to the Tea Party
what is happening to Trump. The powerful don't give up their
power.
Posted by: josephistan at August 18, 2016 04:00 PM (7HtZB)
But without us, they're all chiefs and no tribe. We form a new party and convince the rest of the base to come along, and they are nothing.
supporters have been trying to do? We see what happened to the Tea Party
what is happening to Trump. The powerful don't give up their
power.
Posted by: josephistan at August 18, 2016 04:00 PM (7HtZB)
But without us, they're all chiefs and no tribe. We form a new party and convince the rest of the base to come along, and they are nothing.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (HalrA)
708
"Honest question - what is a globalist conservative?
Is that someone who is for free trade and open borders? What if you
are for free trade but not open borders? "
This is why these labels don't work exactly.
Is that someone who is for free trade and open borders? What if you
are for free trade but not open borders? "
This is why these labels don't work exactly.
Posted by: Harun at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (UBBWX)
709
Isn't that what the Tea Party & Trump's supporters have been trying to do? We see what happened to the Tea Party & what is happening to Trump. The powerful don't give up their power.
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I simply believe that the conservative movement is a ground up movement and not a top down movement and as such the change is going to have to come from the states and not the federal government. The change at the federal government is going to take more time, but progress was being made. We have some very good people there now - they just aren't in the leadership positions yet.
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I simply believe that the conservative movement is a ground up movement and not a top down movement and as such the change is going to have to come from the states and not the federal government. The change at the federal government is going to take more time, but progress was being made. We have some very good people there now - they just aren't in the leadership positions yet.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (gmeXX)
710
Honest question - what is a globalist conservative? Is that someone who is for free trade and open borders? What if you are for free trade but not open borders?
You know someone like that? Because the other 16 that ran were for open borders.
You know someone like that? Because the other 16 that ran were for open borders.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 04:03 PM (AmeQT)
Posted by: free range 'sorta' conservative but not 'true' conservative at August 18, 2016 04:03 PM (ZnIt3)
712
Had one of their chosen delivered the speech Mr. Trump did on Monday they would have praised it.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (h0PYG)
They ARE praising it. And they are asking, "Where was this guy before?"
We were looking at Trump and thinking to ourselves, this guy is a 1) lunatic 2) narccissist 3) ignoramus 4) loser who is not serious.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Infidel Queen at August 18, 2016 03:52 PM (h0PYG)
They ARE praising it. And they are asking, "Where was this guy before?"
We were looking at Trump and thinking to ourselves, this guy is a 1) lunatic 2) narccissist 3) ignoramus 4) loser who is not serious.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 18, 2016 04:03 PM (laMCB)
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 04:03 PM (syAr3)
714
For anyone still saying Trump will win: if he loses, will you just admit he was a bad candidate and not blame kulaks NeverTrump?
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:01 PM (BXcJU)
As a matter of fact NO...most of us rational people recognize all his faults. But we will hold all traitors and malcontents fully responsible for their actions. How'd ya like them Apples!
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:01 PM (BXcJU)
As a matter of fact NO...most of us rational people recognize all his faults. But we will hold all traitors and malcontents fully responsible for their actions. How'd ya like them Apples!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 04:03 PM (Ozsfq)
715
He most certainly is running.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 18, 2016 03:57 PM (JbgDR)
I'll believe that whenTrump starts spending his own dough. Remember that bullshit about 'self-funded campaign'? Haven't seen it yet.
I've been gettingTrump's fundraising letters and emails. I don't typically send money to millionaires but if he follows up on his claim, I'll think about it. Until then, tell yourboy it's time for him to get some skin in the game.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 18, 2016 03:57 PM (JbgDR)
I'll believe that whenTrump starts spending his own dough. Remember that bullshit about 'self-funded campaign'? Haven't seen it yet.
I've been gettingTrump's fundraising letters and emails. I don't typically send money to millionaires but if he follows up on his claim, I'll think about it. Until then, tell yourboy it's time for him to get some skin in the game.
Posted by: troyriser at August 18, 2016 04:03 PM (OGbEB)
716
His new campaign team is the 3rd in what, 5 months?
That actually doesn't bother me as much as it would have in other elections. Trump is using different teams for different phases in the campaign, and up to this point its worked very well for him. It remains to be seen how well it will work in the general, but while I think the man himself is scum, he's breaking all the rules and changing how elections work, and that I like.
Hillary keeps talking about getting money out f politics, and Trump is actually doing it.
That actually doesn't bother me as much as it would have in other elections. Trump is using different teams for different phases in the campaign, and up to this point its worked very well for him. It remains to be seen how well it will work in the general, but while I think the man himself is scum, he's breaking all the rules and changing how elections work, and that I like.
Hillary keeps talking about getting money out f politics, and Trump is actually doing it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 04:03 PM (39g3+)
717
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 04:03 PM (AmeQT)
Trump supports amnesty. Sad, but true.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 04:03 PM (AmeQT)
Trump supports amnesty. Sad, but true.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (BXcJU)
Posted by: josephistan at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (7HtZB)
719
Zip has a little more on the Olympic robbery report.
And it ain't looking too good for us.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=290260
And it ain't looking too good for us.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=290260
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (6t8+a)
720
549 Looking forward to anti-Trump Ace coming back in a month and a half or so once he realizes it is over and that Trump isn't even trying to win.
Posted by: Shooter McGavin at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (OD23t)
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The "Anti-Trump Ace" will belong to a small party of malcontents who reinforce each other is defeatism.
Like it or not the Trump faction is the biggest part of the GOP. That is right, not a majority, but a plurality. They have the ability to form the base for a new party, the rest of you who belong to some other non-Trump faction cannot on your own.
SO unless you find a way to compromise with the Trump wing in a serious way you are not going anywhere. I think Ace is smart enough to understand that...after a good night sleep.
Posted by: Shooter McGavin at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (OD23t)
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The "Anti-Trump Ace" will belong to a small party of malcontents who reinforce each other is defeatism.
Like it or not the Trump faction is the biggest part of the GOP. That is right, not a majority, but a plurality. They have the ability to form the base for a new party, the rest of you who belong to some other non-Trump faction cannot on your own.
SO unless you find a way to compromise with the Trump wing in a serious way you are not going anywhere. I think Ace is smart enough to understand that...after a good night sleep.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (KhJh8)
721
For anyone still saying Trump will win: if he loses, will you just admit he was a bad candidate and not blame kulaks NeverTrump?
Posted by: DOBSON
I'll absolutely blame "NeverTrumps" in part if Trump loses. And don't think for a minute the NeverTrump Republicans are going to get a warm embrace when this is all over.
Posted by: DOBSON
I'll absolutely blame "NeverTrumps" in part if Trump loses. And don't think for a minute the NeverTrump Republicans are going to get a warm embrace when this is all over.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (qX02u)
722
You know someone like that? Because the other 16 that ran were for open borders.
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I wasn't trying to make this a debate on the primary, but since you asked, Cruz was not for open borders.
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I wasn't trying to make this a debate on the primary, but since you asked, Cruz was not for open borders.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (gmeXX)
723
RRRRRRAAAHHHHHRRRRRR!!!!
Posted by: Headless Agnew at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (VdICR)
724
I just got here and have not read the comments. I've only read Ace's essay. I have to say it's one of the most extraordinary statements I've read in a long time.
Posted by: grammie winger at August 18, 2016 04:05 PM (dFi94)
725
The polls were not rigged in 2012.
How does it follow automatically that the polls aren't rigged in 2016? That's like saying Japan was our ally in WWI, therefore Japan must have also been our ally in WWII.
The media have thrown ALL in for their candidate in a way I've never seen before. Why would they draw any lines with regard to polls based on their recent behavior?
How does it follow automatically that the polls aren't rigged in 2016? That's like saying Japan was our ally in WWI, therefore Japan must have also been our ally in WWII.
The media have thrown ALL in for their candidate in a way I've never seen before. Why would they draw any lines with regard to polls based on their recent behavior?
Posted by: Robert at August 18, 2016 04:05 PM (v9DK0)
726
I don't believe the polls.
For all I know Trump might even being doing worse than they say, but I take as much stock in them as a SciFi television series.
Voter fraud is a concern, though.
Fuck it, whatever will be, will be. Not gonna get my panties in a bunch over the outcome.
For all I know Trump might even being doing worse than they say, but I take as much stock in them as a SciFi television series.
Voter fraud is a concern, though.
Fuck it, whatever will be, will be. Not gonna get my panties in a bunch over the outcome.
Posted by: Max Power at August 18, 2016 04:05 PM (q177U)
727
560 While handing out soccer balls and teddy bears at the border.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (AmeQT)
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Rick - thanks for bringing a smile to my face today. It always comes back to giving children toys.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:42 PM (gmeXX)
++++
It comes to welcoming illegal aliens at the border while they are in the very act of shitting all over our immigration laws. Oh yeah, he's a border hawk. You bet!
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 03:41 PM (AmeQT)
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Rick - thanks for bringing a smile to my face today. It always comes back to giving children toys.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 03:42 PM (gmeXX)
++++
It comes to welcoming illegal aliens at the border while they are in the very act of shitting all over our immigration laws. Oh yeah, he's a border hawk. You bet!
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 18, 2016 04:05 PM (R+30W)
728
Zip has a little more on the Olympic robbery report.
And it ain't looking too good for us.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=290260
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (6t8+a)
Who is us? If they are that stupid and irresponsible and childish, fuck them. They are on their own. Fuck that Loche guy is 32
And it ain't looking too good for us.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=290260
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (6t8+a)
Who is us? If they are that stupid and irresponsible and childish, fuck them. They are on their own. Fuck that Loche guy is 32
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (Ozsfq)
729
My guess about the swimmers is the same thing they do in Mexico with tourists. Tourist causes damage. Property owner calls police. Police say give the owner X amount of money or else. Tourist does so and goes on their way.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (cLMWw)
730
Trump supports amnesty. Sad, but true.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (BXcJU)
and he punched a baby, dont' forget that
Trump supports amnesty. Sad, but true.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (BXcJU)
and he punched a baby, dont' forget that
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (c6/9Q)
731
I'll absolutely blame "NeverTrumps" in part if Trump loses. And don't think for a minute the NeverTrump Republicans are going to get a warm embrace when this is all over.
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The recriminations are going to be fun.
That being said, I still think Trump can win. Admittedly my belief that he will win is running low these days. Poll fatigue will do that.
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The recriminations are going to be fun.
That being said, I still think Trump can win. Admittedly my belief that he will win is running low these days. Poll fatigue will do that.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (gmeXX)
732
And it's STILL a statistical TIE.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT a
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This. And the shrill, portly, perfidious and criminally inclined harridan has spent $150M on ads and Trump has yet to unleash his. When I hear all these pundits talk like they have any idea what the fuck is going to happen in November I just shake my head and say "farts in a storm, with more storms to follow" Look to the primaries to see how accurate these idiots were. Sheesh.
And it's STILL a statistical TIE.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT a
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This. And the shrill, portly, perfidious and criminally inclined harridan has spent $150M on ads and Trump has yet to unleash his. When I hear all these pundits talk like they have any idea what the fuck is going to happen in November I just shake my head and say "farts in a storm, with more storms to follow" Look to the primaries to see how accurate these idiots were. Sheesh.
Posted by: oddknot still frets at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (g1MTt)
733
Thanks Ricardo. I'm sure you would. And I would supply vast amounts of beer.
Second Story structure is good ... just needs decking, rails, post wraps, and new stairs. I want something nicer than wood stringers ... but it looks like I'm shit out of luck.
Second Story structure is good ... just needs decking, rails, post wraps, and new stairs. I want something nicer than wood stringers ... but it looks like I'm shit out of luck.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (573j3)
734
721 Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (qX02u)
The NTs are punishing the GOP never-dies for not being able to beat Orange Toupee Weasel.
I will punish the GOP as a whole for tolerating the NTs.
The NTs are punishing the GOP never-dies for not being able to beat Orange Toupee Weasel.
I will punish the GOP as a whole for tolerating the NTs.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (SzZnW)
735
Expect the counter-offensive to start after Labor Day. I can almost hear General Zhukov gunning the engines of 3,000 T-34 tanks.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (r1fLd)
736
But without us, they're all chiefs and no tribe. We form a new party and convince the rest of the base to come along, and they are nothing.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (HalrA)
This will be difficult. The Trump army will say, "You weren't for Trump? We're not joining."
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (HalrA)
This will be difficult. The Trump army will say, "You weren't for Trump? We're not joining."
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (laMCB)
737
Don't be a wimp Ace. Seriously. It just feels much better to be up front with one's opinions and not speak strategically at all times. Live.
Posted by: chris not rock at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (/UcYz)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (i/pfX)
739
"Hillary's campaign has been organizing for months, is better staffed, funded and organized. It takes a huge effort to beat the Democrats. There are more of them, they own the msm and they cheat."
Its depressing when you realize this is all true.
One thing we should all consider: no matter the candidate, etc., its always a tough slog.
I really think the culture and the media are the hardest part.
Its depressing when you realize this is all true.
One thing we should all consider: no matter the candidate, etc., its always a tough slog.
I really think the culture and the media are the hardest part.
Posted by: Harun at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (UBBWX)
740
I'm voting for whichever candidate helps me build this deck.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 18, 2016 03:59 PM (573j3)
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I not running Gringo.
Posted by: ScoggDog at August 18, 2016 03:59 PM (573j3)
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I not running Gringo.
Posted by: Manuel Labor at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (HgMAr)
741
I'll absolutely blame "NeverTrumps" in part if Trump loses. And don't think for a minute the NeverTrump Republicans are going to get a warm embrace when this is all over.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (qX02u)
Amen
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (qX02u)
Amen
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (Ozsfq)
742
The debates are going to be like Michael Scott on bath salts vs the Pathological Lying I've Fallen and Can't Get Up Lady .
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (cLMWw)
And you'd miss that??
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 04:02 PM (cLMWw)
And you'd miss that??
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (SRKgf)
743
There is so much to agree with you Ace. But come hell or high water I'm voting for Trump.
It's hard to say I'm not a Republican as I just ran in our local primary for County Commissioner (lost to the incumbent 37%-63%). But after this election, like you I probably will become an independent. I'm done with Republicans that's for sure.
It's hard to say I'm not a Republican as I just ran in our local primary for County Commissioner (lost to the incumbent 37%-63%). But after this election, like you I probably will become an independent. I'm done with Republicans that's for sure.
Posted by: tonynoboloney at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (Yba/s)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 04:07 PM (6t8+a)
745
I'll never be back I have enjoyed this place for about 7-8 years . Now I'm done
Great. Ju-u-u-u-u-ust great.
Now who's going to lead the Afternoon Prancercize Session?
Great. Ju-u-u-u-u-ust great.
Now who's going to lead the Afternoon Prancercize Session?
Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2016 04:07 PM (0cMkb)
746
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (qX02u)
Why? How are they responsible? And if Trump loses, who's not giving them a "warm embrace?"
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (qX02u)
Why? How are they responsible? And if Trump loses, who's not giving them a "warm embrace?"
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:07 PM (BXcJU)
747
I completely agree with Ace and at some point, if you believe in conservative principles you have to ask yourself if it is more effective to be part of a debating society that doesn't want to win if that means compromise, or belong to a party that wants to win and trying to influence it from the inside.
It wasn't all THAT long ago that there were dozens of Blue Dog Democrats in Congress, and only a few years before that the Democratic Leadership Council was riding high.
Depending on what the shell of the GOP turns into, we should all see that there are options.
It wasn't all THAT long ago that there were dozens of Blue Dog Democrats in Congress, and only a few years before that the Democratic Leadership Council was riding high.
Depending on what the shell of the GOP turns into, we should all see that there are options.
Posted by: mhj at August 18, 2016 04:07 PM (FZdvr)
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 04:07 PM (c6/9Q)
749
This will be difficult. The Trump army will say, "You weren't for Trump? We're not joining."
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Besides, there are actually big ideological differences to overcome. Maybe they can be, but they are pretty significant.
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Besides, there are actually big ideological differences to overcome. Maybe they can be, but they are pretty significant.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 04:07 PM (gmeXX)
750
695
I'm still convinced most polling is done by leftists and just lkke the
news slants questions their way. We know the news of all media is a lier
but you can't tell me polling is as pure as the driven snow.
Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2016 04:01 PM (bksJQ)
I believe that was the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect, if I'm not mistaken. Or, basically, you read something absolutely jarringly stupid on one page, say, reportage on sports that's completely off the mark, then you turn to the business or politics page, and you're back to treating the source as credible.
Their whole organization is crooked, and so are their polls, but their polls have a limited amount of crookedness they can pull without tanking their credibility. So they create large swings out of thin air (on purpose) for dramatic effect, and consistently slant questions and stack the deck in terms of who they poll in order to create a structural 4-5 point slant.
Any poll that's close to the margin of error is probably in our favor, but you never know for sure.
I'm still convinced most polling is done by leftists and just lkke the
news slants questions their way. We know the news of all media is a lier
but you can't tell me polling is as pure as the driven snow.
Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2016 04:01 PM (bksJQ)
I believe that was the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect, if I'm not mistaken. Or, basically, you read something absolutely jarringly stupid on one page, say, reportage on sports that's completely off the mark, then you turn to the business or politics page, and you're back to treating the source as credible.
Their whole organization is crooked, and so are their polls, but their polls have a limited amount of crookedness they can pull without tanking their credibility. So they create large swings out of thin air (on purpose) for dramatic effect, and consistently slant questions and stack the deck in terms of who they poll in order to create a structural 4-5 point slant.
Any poll that's close to the margin of error is probably in our favor, but you never know for sure.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 18, 2016 04:07 PM (HalrA)
751
I think Hillary will be handed the questions in advance and pumped up whatever needs to keep her reasonably functional.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2016 04:08 PM (6HqlZ)
752
Now who's going to lead the Afternoon Prancercize Session?
Oh wait. If 300 displays massive explicit cameltoe I may retract my previous dismissive comment.
Oh wait. If 300 displays massive explicit cameltoe I may retract my previous dismissive comment.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 04:08 PM (mgbwf)
753
And the shrill, portly, perfidious and criminally inclined harridan has spent $150M on ads
Yep. Remind me again how much money Jeb spent?
Yep. Remind me again how much money Jeb spent?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 04:08 PM (SRKgf)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 04:08 PM (6t8+a)
755
His new campaign team is the 3rd in what, 5 months?
...
Wait a minute. Do you mean to tell me that he fires people who he doesn't feel are performing their job at a satisfactorily level? That shit will never fly in government. What a dunce.
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Wait a minute. Do you mean to tell me that he fires people who he doesn't feel are performing their job at a satisfactorily level? That shit will never fly in government. What a dunce.
Posted by: ajmojo at August 18, 2016 04:09 PM (1H9ox)
756
730
Trump supports amnesty. Sad, but true.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (BXcJU)
and he punched a baby, dont' forget that
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (c6/9Q)
Not the whole baby, just his dick. Context, man.
Trump supports amnesty. Sad, but true.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (BXcJU)
and he punched a baby, dont' forget that
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (c6/9Q)
Not the whole baby, just his dick. Context, man.
Posted by: josephistan at August 18, 2016 04:09 PM (7HtZB)
757
The polls were not rigged in 2012.
Sure they were. I've just come to the realization that they were rigged in an amount equal to the fraud machine. Its a neat trick, but it worked out for the Democrats quite well.
The internals were a disaster, the methodology was trash, and they were clearly skewed. But they ended up being accurate. That doesn't mean somehow they were correct. It means the results were skewed as well.
Sure they were. I've just come to the realization that they were rigged in an amount equal to the fraud machine. Its a neat trick, but it worked out for the Democrats quite well.
The internals were a disaster, the methodology was trash, and they were clearly skewed. But they ended up being accurate. That doesn't mean somehow they were correct. It means the results were skewed as well.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 04:09 PM (39g3+)
758
if you believe in conservative principles you have to ask yourself if it is more effective to be part of a debating society that doesn't want to win if that means compromise, or belong to a party that wants to win and trying to influence it from the inside
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Conservatives have been compromising and trying to win from the inside for years. This idea that they don't want to win is just wrong.
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Conservatives have been compromising and trying to win from the inside for years. This idea that they don't want to win is just wrong.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 04:09 PM (gmeXX)
759
The only hope is if Clinton wins she turns into a banana republic dictator and starts raking in money for herself she is so busy doing that she drops all the lefty crap. But I wouldn't hold my breath because I'm sure she will use the leftist agenda to thieve as much as she can for herself and cronies.
Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2016 04:09 PM (bksJQ)
760
I'll absolutely blame "NeverTrumps" in part if Trump loses. And don't
think for a minute the NeverTrump Republicans are going to get a warm
embrace when this is all over.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (qX02u)
Amen
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (Ozsfq)
I'm glad they are finally exposed for who they are. Now new thought leaders will emerge.
I'll absolutely blame "NeverTrumps" in part if Trump loses. And don't
think for a minute the NeverTrump Republicans are going to get a warm
embrace when this is all over.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (qX02u)
Amen
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 04:06 PM (Ozsfq)
I'm glad they are finally exposed for who they are. Now new thought leaders will emerge.
Posted by: runner at August 18, 2016 04:09 PM (c6/9Q)
761
I'll absolutely blame "NeverTrumps" in part if Trump loses. And don't think for a minute the NeverTrump Republicans are going to get a warm embrace when this is all over.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (qX02u)
Oh yeah, they didn't have enough influence to stop him from being the nominee, but now they are so influential that they have pivotal influence over the whole election.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (qX02u)
Oh yeah, they didn't have enough influence to stop him from being the nominee, but now they are so influential that they have pivotal influence over the whole election.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 18, 2016 04:10 PM (laMCB)
762
"I'll believe that whenTrump starts spending his own dough. Remember that bullshit about 'self-funded campaign'? Haven't seen it yet.
I've been gettingTrump's fundraising letters and emails. I don't typically send money to millionaires but if he follows up on his claim, I'll think about it. Until then, tell yourboy it's time for him to get some skin in the game."
Trump actually declared the loans null, thus spending his own $50 mill on the primary.
I was surprised, but he came through.
One reason the consultants say to not self-fund is because then no one donates.
Trump should match funds or something.
I've been gettingTrump's fundraising letters and emails. I don't typically send money to millionaires but if he follows up on his claim, I'll think about it. Until then, tell yourboy it's time for him to get some skin in the game."
Trump actually declared the loans null, thus spending his own $50 mill on the primary.
I was surprised, but he came through.
One reason the consultants say to not self-fund is because then no one donates.
Trump should match funds or something.
Posted by: Harun at August 18, 2016 04:10 PM (UBBWX)
763
754 "and he punched a female baby, dont' forget that"
In the dick.
Don't forget that either.
Fixed for accuracy.
In the dick.
Don't forget that either.
Fixed for accuracy.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 04:10 PM (AmeQT)
764
"The Republican Party feels very much that way to me too: A collection of losers, losers who cannot win, and who only fight other Republicans because losers know the only people they can beat are other losers."
You should be thrilled! It's burning, which is what this blog has advocated all the way to defeat for ages.
You should be thrilled! It's burning, which is what this blog has advocated all the way to defeat for ages.
Posted by: You made your bed at August 18, 2016 04:10 PM (p8YKk)
765
I'll believe that whenTrump starts spending his own dough. Remember that bullshit about 'self-funded campaign'? Haven't seen it yet.
I've been gettingTrump's fundraising letters and emails. I don't typically send money to millionaires but if he follows up on his claim, I'll think about it. Until then, tell yourboy it's time for him to get some skin in the game.
Posted by: troyriser at August 18, 2016 04:03 PM (OGbEB)
I believe I have answered this before on the blog. Trump said he would self fund his campaign in the primaries, which he did. He loaned his campaign $50 M during the primaries, and then forgave it when he began the general. Fifty Million of his own money was spent.
He is now being funded via the RNC and campaign donations. This is consistent with his what he has said.
So how much more than fifty million of his own skin is he supposed to put in?
I've been gettingTrump's fundraising letters and emails. I don't typically send money to millionaires but if he follows up on his claim, I'll think about it. Until then, tell yourboy it's time for him to get some skin in the game.
Posted by: troyriser at August 18, 2016 04:03 PM (OGbEB)
I believe I have answered this before on the blog. Trump said he would self fund his campaign in the primaries, which he did. He loaned his campaign $50 M during the primaries, and then forgave it when he began the general. Fifty Million of his own money was spent.
He is now being funded via the RNC and campaign donations. This is consistent with his what he has said.
So how much more than fifty million of his own skin is he supposed to put in?
Posted by: Jen the original at August 18, 2016 04:10 PM (JbgDR)
766
"but I don't think I'm a conservative. Not anymore. This crew has shown me what conservatism is, and whatever they are, I'm not that."
I get this. I stopped referring to myself as conservative several months ago. If a label is required, I've said, "I believe in liberty. And I'm a Constitutionalist."
In this election lead-up, in general I see 2 distinctions among the commenters: 1) want to "uphold" conservativism and therefore hate Trump, or 2) want to save the Republic, so despite their opinion of Trump, will vote for him. I'm in 2. I've never been party over country--I've always equated that w/Democrats, but now it's clear--that infection is in both parties.
I get this. I stopped referring to myself as conservative several months ago. If a label is required, I've said, "I believe in liberty. And I'm a Constitutionalist."
In this election lead-up, in general I see 2 distinctions among the commenters: 1) want to "uphold" conservativism and therefore hate Trump, or 2) want to save the Republic, so despite their opinion of Trump, will vote for him. I'm in 2. I've never been party over country--I've always equated that w/Democrats, but now it's clear--that infection is in both parties.
Posted by: Sharon W at August 18, 2016 04:11 PM (Xhsh5)
767
The polls were not rigged in 2012.
How does it follow automatically that the polls aren't rigged in 2016? That's like saying Japan was our ally in WWI, therefore Japan must have also been our ally in WWII.
The media have thrown ALL in for their candidate in a way I've never seen before. Why would they draw any lines with regard to polls based on their recent behavior?
Posted by: Robert
It's a fair point.
And I have been part of commissioning a poll, you basically change it until you get the results you want.
And guess who is in charge of most polls? Editorial newspaper boards that foam at the mouth about Donald Trump.
Still, even Rush Limbaugh was pointing this out on his show that at a certain point, it becomes delusional. So who knows?
The internal campaigns know better than anyone. They usually have really large sample sizes and can mimic the modeling of previous elections pretty easily.
How does it follow automatically that the polls aren't rigged in 2016? That's like saying Japan was our ally in WWI, therefore Japan must have also been our ally in WWII.
The media have thrown ALL in for their candidate in a way I've never seen before. Why would they draw any lines with regard to polls based on their recent behavior?
Posted by: Robert
It's a fair point.
And I have been part of commissioning a poll, you basically change it until you get the results you want.
And guess who is in charge of most polls? Editorial newspaper boards that foam at the mouth about Donald Trump.
Still, even Rush Limbaugh was pointing this out on his show that at a certain point, it becomes delusional. So who knows?
The internal campaigns know better than anyone. They usually have really large sample sizes and can mimic the modeling of previous elections pretty easily.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:11 PM (qX02u)
768
758 Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 04:09 PM (gmeXX)
The GOP decided ~2005 that they wanted to elect a new electorate..... I feel any effort by Free Market conservatives with a Constitutionalist bent is wasted in the GOP.
The GOP decided ~2005 that they wanted to elect a new electorate..... I feel any effort by Free Market conservatives with a Constitutionalist bent is wasted in the GOP.
Posted by: sven10077 at August 18, 2016 04:11 PM (SzZnW)
769
I think ace is in a banning mood. Better play nice today kids.
Posted by: Max Power at August 18, 2016 04:11 PM (q177U)
770
There are many who are convinced voting is rigged. Skimming off votes, adding votes. Illegals voting ect. So polling shows what they need it to be.
Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2016 04:11 PM (bksJQ)
771
I think Hillary will be handed the questions in advance and pumped up whatever needs to keep her reasonably functional.
Yep, if there is actually a debate, Hillary will have all the questions fed to her days in advance and have her whole act staged out and set up, lines for her, and everything. If she has one of those fits or freezes up, they'll coach her out of it.
That's why I think Trump should utterly ignore the debate and simply say what he wants to say about every topic. Pretend the questions don't exist and Hillary isn't even there.
Yep, if there is actually a debate, Hillary will have all the questions fed to her days in advance and have her whole act staged out and set up, lines for her, and everything. If she has one of those fits or freezes up, they'll coach her out of it.
That's why I think Trump should utterly ignore the debate and simply say what he wants to say about every topic. Pretend the questions don't exist and Hillary isn't even there.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2016 04:11 PM (39g3+)
772
Anyone blaming NeverTrump is engaged in double think.
1. We're impotent cucks, crushed by a populist revolution and
2. Kicked Trump's ass, then cut his balls off and served them to Hillary.
1. We're impotent cucks, crushed by a populist revolution and
2. Kicked Trump's ass, then cut his balls off and served them to Hillary.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:11 PM (BXcJU)
773
Do you mean to tell me that he fires people who he doesn't feel are performing their job at a satisfactorily level?
In fairness, he hired them first.
In fairness, he hired them first.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at August 18, 2016 04:11 PM (evdj2)
774
This is the first election that I can remember where the toss up states don't matter, especially in August.
If the election were held today and Trump magically sweeps all the current toss up states... he still loses. Hillary is at 272 with zero toss up as of today.
Tell me, Trump optimists: exactly what states is Trump going to move out of the Hillary column and into his column? He'll needs to achieve that with at least 1-2 states currently against him AND win ALL the toss up states to win.
Enough website talking points. Enough about Twitter and stadiums. Tell me how Trump will win 100% of the toss up states and at least 1-2 more states where he's currently losing within the next 81 days.
Show your work. Considering that Generic Republican started the campaign with far more toss ups and more states in the R column a year ago and, since getting the nomination, Trump has accomplished nothing but subtracting from the winning states column and the toss up column, ceding both to Hillary, how does he win in 81 days?
If the election were held today and Trump magically sweeps all the current toss up states... he still loses. Hillary is at 272 with zero toss up as of today.
Tell me, Trump optimists: exactly what states is Trump going to move out of the Hillary column and into his column? He'll needs to achieve that with at least 1-2 states currently against him AND win ALL the toss up states to win.
Enough website talking points. Enough about Twitter and stadiums. Tell me how Trump will win 100% of the toss up states and at least 1-2 more states where he's currently losing within the next 81 days.
Show your work. Considering that Generic Republican started the campaign with far more toss ups and more states in the R column a year ago and, since getting the nomination, Trump has accomplished nothing but subtracting from the winning states column and the toss up column, ceding both to Hillary, how does he win in 81 days?
Posted by: Damiano at August 18, 2016 04:12 PM (71OEY)
775
OT: The State Department admits that they (and the president) fibbed to us when they said that $400M wasn't a ransom payment for the Iranian hostages.
Those scamps!
Those scamps!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 18, 2016 04:12 PM (Nwg0u)
776
The State Department says a $400 million cash payment to Iran was contingent on the release of American prisoners.
Spokesman John Kirby says negotiations over the United States' returning Iranian money from a decades-old account was conducted separately from the prisoner talks. But he says the U.S. withheld delivery of the cash as leverage until the U.S. citizens had left Iran.
Both events occurred Jan. 17.
Kirby spoke after The Wall Street Journal reported that the departures of the crisscrossing planes were linked.
Spokesman John Kirby says negotiations over the United States' returning Iranian money from a decades-old account was conducted separately from the prisoner talks. But he says the U.S. withheld delivery of the cash as leverage until the U.S. citizens had left Iran.
Both events occurred Jan. 17.
Kirby spoke after The Wall Street Journal reported that the departures of the crisscrossing planes were linked.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 04:12 PM (Ozsfq)
777
680 This election is a lose - lose proposition.
Get on board Convention of States project.
Posted by: Derptastic at August 18, 2016 03:59 PM (b8jcS)
Yes, but which side you want to lose in this proxy election?
Saudi Arabia (D)
Russia (R)
I think we have better chances with the Russians than the Saudis.
Get on board Convention of States project.
Posted by: Derptastic at August 18, 2016 03:59 PM (b8jcS)
Yes, but which side you want to lose in this proxy election?
Saudi Arabia (D)
Russia (R)
I think we have better chances with the Russians than the Saudis.
Posted by: batterup at August 18, 2016 04:12 PM (mtGE/)
778
"Who is us?"
On a personal level, I agree with you.
But, what the world sees is U.S. Olympians behaving badly.
And despite all the world wide relationship healing which Brako Bamma has accomplished, there are at least one or two individuals on the planet who will see this negatively reflecting on Americans.
On a personal level, I agree with you.
But, what the world sees is U.S. Olympians behaving badly.
And despite all the world wide relationship healing which Brako Bamma has accomplished, there are at least one or two individuals on the planet who will see this negatively reflecting on Americans.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2016 04:12 PM (6t8+a)
779
The GOP decided ~2005 that they wanted to elect a new electorate..... I feel any effort by Free Market conservatives with a Constitutionalist bent is wasted in the GOP.
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Hasn't it basically been the conservatives in the GOP that have stopped this from happening?
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Hasn't it basically been the conservatives in the GOP that have stopped this from happening?
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 04:12 PM (gmeXX)
780
751 I think Hillary will be handed the questions in advance and pumped up whatever needs to keep her reasonably functional.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2016 04:08 PM (6HqlZ)
Of course. She only needs to be careful not to answer the question before it's completed (as a CEO of a former employer did. HR flunky says, "Would you care to comment on ..." CEO interrupts, "Why yes, I would" and flies into his obviously prepared answer. Good times.)
BUT - and it's a big but, just like Hillary's - she cannot anticipate where the Orange One will go during the course of debate. The questions will doubtless be scripted and provided to her, but Trump's answers will not be, and therein lies the danger for her.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2016 04:08 PM (6HqlZ)
Of course. She only needs to be careful not to answer the question before it's completed (as a CEO of a former employer did. HR flunky says, "Would you care to comment on ..." CEO interrupts, "Why yes, I would" and flies into his obviously prepared answer. Good times.)
BUT - and it's a big but, just like Hillary's - she cannot anticipate where the Orange One will go during the course of debate. The questions will doubtless be scripted and provided to her, but Trump's answers will not be, and therein lies the danger for her.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 04:12 PM (SRKgf)
781
Now who's going to lead the Afternoon Prancercize Session?
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That reminds me, did jwest make it?
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That reminds me, did jwest make it?
Posted by: wth at August 18, 2016 04:12 PM (HgMAr)
782
"Governors and presidents get defeated and the mark of defeat is upon them, while politicians are often at their most powerful after a defeat. When a candidate has taken a licking the party needs the professionals, the full-time noncandidates, to reorganize for the next campaign. It is a simple enough rule, and it explains the mystery that sometimes baffles the public (and defeated candidates): why, after a defeat, are the same old politicians still eating the big meals and smoking the expensive cigars?"
- John O'Hara, "Ten North Frederick" (1955)
- John O'Hara, "Ten North Frederick" (1955)
Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at August 18, 2016 04:12 PM (BWL+E)
783
"or belong to a party that wants to win and trying to influence it from the inside."
Respectfully, you're deluded if you think that you can influence the Ds from the inside. They already have an Inner Party, with and Inner Inner Party.
e.g., Breitbart now has a story on a leaked memo about how George Soros lobbied Obama last year to increase the flow of Syrian refugees to 100,000 this year. That's exactly what Obama and Horseface Kerry did, to that exact number. Meanwhile, Soros' son Alexander, who will continue Dad's good works, had dinner with Tim Kaine, who we can expect to be President after Hillary dies in office. Can you say cutouts!
Respectfully, you're deluded if you think that you can influence the Ds from the inside. They already have an Inner Party, with and Inner Inner Party.
e.g., Breitbart now has a story on a leaked memo about how George Soros lobbied Obama last year to increase the flow of Syrian refugees to 100,000 this year. That's exactly what Obama and Horseface Kerry did, to that exact number. Meanwhile, Soros' son Alexander, who will continue Dad's good works, had dinner with Tim Kaine, who we can expect to be President after Hillary dies in office. Can you say cutouts!
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2016 04:13 PM (r1fLd)
784
"Don't be childish. I don't want Trump to lose, he seems to want to lose though. His new campaign team is the 3rd in what, 5 months? Super."
And yet you slam him every chance you get. So helpful - to Hillary that is.
He expanded his campaign but so good of you to use DNC talking points with regards to the subject.
"Trump is relying on the RNC to help him open and staff the campaign offices. It's been going on for over a week."
So.
"That fact that it's mid-August is not a happy thing for Trump. Hillary's campaign has been organizing for months, is better staffed, funded and organized."
So was JEB's campaign.
"It takes a huge effort to beat the Democrats. There are more of them, they own the msm and they cheat."
The cheating part is a concern and it is for all Republican candidates. But nothing new. The MSM is always for the Dem.
"You haven't given a single factual reason as to why Trump will win other than because you say so. That seems to be Trump's style as well."
Proof is in the pudding. Against all odds and naysayers and bomb throwers he won the nomination.
I know his history, he plays to win and if he can't win it then nobody could win it.
And yet you slam him every chance you get. So helpful - to Hillary that is.
He expanded his campaign but so good of you to use DNC talking points with regards to the subject.
"Trump is relying on the RNC to help him open and staff the campaign offices. It's been going on for over a week."
So.
"That fact that it's mid-August is not a happy thing for Trump. Hillary's campaign has been organizing for months, is better staffed, funded and organized."
So was JEB's campaign.
"It takes a huge effort to beat the Democrats. There are more of them, they own the msm and they cheat."
The cheating part is a concern and it is for all Republican candidates. But nothing new. The MSM is always for the Dem.
"You haven't given a single factual reason as to why Trump will win other than because you say so. That seems to be Trump's style as well."
Proof is in the pudding. Against all odds and naysayers and bomb throwers he won the nomination.
I know his history, he plays to win and if he can't win it then nobody could win it.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 04:13 PM (syAr3)
785
I believe I have answered this before on the blog. Trump said he would self fund his campaign in the primaries, which he did. He loaned his campaign $50 M during the primaries, and then forgave it when he began the general. Fifty Million of his own money was spent.
He is now being funded via the RNC and campaign donations. This is consistent with his what he has said.
So how much more than fifty million of his own skin is he supposed to put in?
Posted by: Jen
All of it!
-Whiners United!
He is now being funded via the RNC and campaign donations. This is consistent with his what he has said.
So how much more than fifty million of his own skin is he supposed to put in?
Posted by: Jen
All of it!
-Whiners United!
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at August 18, 2016 04:13 PM (AmeQT)
786
Do you mean to tell me that he fires people who he doesn't feel are performing their job at a satisfactorily level?
In fairness, he hired them first.
....
Don't be reasonable.
In fairness, he hired them first.
....
Don't be reasonable.
Posted by: ajmojo at August 18, 2016 04:13 PM (1H9ox)
787
Heard on radio Twitter tossed thousands off for "terrorism " but right away thought being a conservative to a leftist is terrorism.
Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2016 04:13 PM (bksJQ)
788
I've never seen such a bunch of defeatists and cowards in my life
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 04:13 PM (Ozsfq)
789
Nood
Posted by: Tami at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (Enq6K)
790
But there will still be something called the GOP standing after Trump.
Haven't read the comments, but I'm going to disagree with that whichever way the election goes.
The Republican party is toast, well on it's way to being as influential as is the Independent, Libertarian, or Green party.
Haven't read the comments, but I'm going to disagree with that whichever way the election goes.
The Republican party is toast, well on it's way to being as influential as is the Independent, Libertarian, or Green party.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (DofIg)
791
The State Department says a $400 million cash payment to Iran was contingent on the release of American prisoners.
Which is totally different than paying ransom. Totally.
Which is totally different than paying ransom. Totally.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (SRKgf)
792
@ 652 Are there people who just troll the internet looking for this type of thread and comment either about how terrible Ace is or how all right people stink?. Yes, I've made mistake before with thinking an infrequent poster was a troll, but these are names I've never seen before and they haven't commented on any other type of thread-not ONT, not Art, not movie reviews, not "stupid movie with foodstuffs as multi gendered characters"
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Seemingly.
I've seen another conservative blogger post on occasion about the new people that have shown up on that blog posting about Trump. The blogger in question mentioned some strong suspicions that there was some sort of concerted effort to swamp the comments in posts talking about Trump. At least some of those suspicions may have been based on IP addresses.
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Seemingly.
I've seen another conservative blogger post on occasion about the new people that have shown up on that blog posting about Trump. The blogger in question mentioned some strong suspicions that there was some sort of concerted effort to swamp the comments in posts talking about Trump. At least some of those suspicions may have been based on IP addresses.
Posted by: junior at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (mUM5y)
793
Oh yeah, they didn't have enough influence to stop him from being the nominee, but now they are so influential that they have pivotal influence over the whole election.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh
Just because they don't have a majority doesn't mean they don't have influence.
Isn't that the whole point of their never ending campaign against Trump? To make him lose and give the election to Hillary? And I'm supposed to be okay with that?
I never remember NEverMcCain or NeverRomney being a thing where elected GOP leaders tried to kneecap them on a regular basis.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh
Just because they don't have a majority doesn't mean they don't have influence.
Isn't that the whole point of their never ending campaign against Trump? To make him lose and give the election to Hillary? And I'm supposed to be okay with that?
I never remember NEverMcCain or NeverRomney being a thing where elected GOP leaders tried to kneecap them on a regular basis.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (qX02u)
794
Nood.
Posted by: johnd01 at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (ukNFU)
795
The only hope is if Clinton wins she turns into a banana republic dictator and starts raking in money for herself she is so busy doing that she drops all the lefty crap. But I wouldn't hold my breath because I'm sure she will use the leftist agenda to thieve as much as she can for herself and cronies.
Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2016 04:09 PM (bksJQ)
I realize everyone has become used to the Obama model of 90% executive branch rule, and 10% judicial legilsation, but if Clinton wins, she will be able to completely reboot all of her agencies, commissions and various regulators with marxists, who will then fully punch down the left accelerator. Not to mention all the judicial appointments throughout the entire federal government that will all be picked out of every left wing cave. Jill Stein will likely become the head of the EPA for example, or she will oversee the new Hillary Care single payer.
Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2016 04:09 PM (bksJQ)
I realize everyone has become used to the Obama model of 90% executive branch rule, and 10% judicial legilsation, but if Clinton wins, she will be able to completely reboot all of her agencies, commissions and various regulators with marxists, who will then fully punch down the left accelerator. Not to mention all the judicial appointments throughout the entire federal government that will all be picked out of every left wing cave. Jill Stein will likely become the head of the EPA for example, or she will oversee the new Hillary Care single payer.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (JbgDR)
796
I think Hillary will be handed the questions in advance and pumped up whatever needs to keep her reasonably functional.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2016 04:08 PM (6HqlZ)
..............
A complicated mixture of demon alcohol, blood thinners, and horse tranquilizers?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2016 04:08 PM (6HqlZ)
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A complicated mixture of demon alcohol, blood thinners, and horse tranquilizers?
Posted by: wth at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (HgMAr)
797
>>> I'm glad they are finally exposed for who they are. Now new thought leaders will emerge.
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No thanks. I have no need for "thought leaders". I can think for myself.
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No thanks. I have no need for "thought leaders". I can think for myself.
Posted by: Damiano at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (71OEY)
798
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:11 PM (BXcJU)
Hello, person whose hash is new to this site.
Care to explain why the word cuck resonates with you?
Hello, person whose hash is new to this site.
Care to explain why the word cuck resonates with you?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (mgbwf)
799
I'll believe that whenTrump starts spending his own dough. Remember that bullshit about 'self-funded campaign'? Haven't seen it yet.
Tell me what is so appealing about a billionaire being able to buy the office with his own money? How would you feel about a guy like Jeff Bezos deciding he'd like being president one day?
I'll believe that whenTrump starts spending his own dough. Remember that bullshit about 'self-funded campaign'? Haven't seen it yet.
Tell me what is so appealing about a billionaire being able to buy the office with his own money? How would you feel about a guy like Jeff Bezos deciding he'd like being president one day?
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 18, 2016 04:15 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Zombie Nixon at August 18, 2016 04:15 PM (qul7b)
801
Smoot and Hawley were Republicans, but the conservative movement has been pretty much free trade since Hayek and Friedman.
Which held until whatever the fuck Trump is.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (mgbwf)
Trump is "Maybe it's time we re-examine some of our 'free trade' agreements." Now I know life is good for you in your blue utopia as you shift seamlessly from one job to the next while having carnal encounters with European scandis and non-scandis. However, people (your fellow countrymen) without your talents might not be in a position to avoid the consequences of this brave new world.
Which held until whatever the fuck Trump is.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (mgbwf)
Trump is "Maybe it's time we re-examine some of our 'free trade' agreements." Now I know life is good for you in your blue utopia as you shift seamlessly from one job to the next while having carnal encounters with European scandis and non-scandis. However, people (your fellow countrymen) without your talents might not be in a position to avoid the consequences of this brave new world.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 18, 2016 04:16 PM (Ee2nz)
802
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (qX02u)
What campaign against Trump? There's no money, no organization, just at most a few elected officials saying they can't support him and leaving it at that. IF everyone criticized Trump fell right in behind him, what? He'd lose by 8.8 points instead of 9?
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (qX02u)
What campaign against Trump? There's no money, no organization, just at most a few elected officials saying they can't support him and leaving it at that. IF everyone criticized Trump fell right in behind him, what? He'd lose by 8.8 points instead of 9?
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:16 PM (BXcJU)
803
Anyone blaming NeverTrump is engaged in double think.
1. We're impotent cucks, crushed by a populist revolution and
2. Kicked Trump's ass, then cut his balls off and served them to Hillary.
Posted by: DOBSON
-
Lithium. Lithium is your only hope.
1. We're impotent cucks, crushed by a populist revolution and
2. Kicked Trump's ass, then cut his balls off and served them to Hillary.
Posted by: DOBSON
-
Lithium. Lithium is your only hope.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With More Je Ne Sais Quoi! at August 18, 2016 04:16 PM (Nwg0u)
804
Tell me what is so appealing about a billionaire being able to buy the office with his own money? How would you feel about a guy like Jeff Bezos deciding he'd like being president one day?
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I don't care so long as he believes the same things I do. With respect to Trump, I think it is merely in response to Trump saying he can self-fund and wouldn't be beholden to people.
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I don't care so long as he believes the same things I do. With respect to Trump, I think it is merely in response to Trump saying he can self-fund and wouldn't be beholden to people.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 04:16 PM (gmeXX)
805
>>Wait a minute. Do you mean to tell me that he fires people who he doesn't feel are performing their job at a satisfactorily level? That shit will never fly in government. What a dunce.
You do realize he chose those very same people that didn't perform, right? Is this an example of the best and brightest that Trump never stops telling us he surrounds himself with? He's moved on to Kellyanne Conway, longtime GOP establishment player. Hopefully she can do more for him than she did guiding Newt's campaign in 2012.
You do realize he chose those very same people that didn't perform, right? Is this an example of the best and brightest that Trump never stops telling us he surrounds himself with? He's moved on to Kellyanne Conway, longtime GOP establishment player. Hopefully she can do more for him than she did guiding Newt's campaign in 2012.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2016 04:17 PM (/tuJf)
806
"So how much more than fifty million of his own skin is he supposed to put in?"
Not to begrudge what he already spent, but if it was a chance to go down in history?
I might put a lot.
Not to begrudge what he already spent, but if it was a chance to go down in history?
I might put a lot.
Posted by: Harun at August 18, 2016 04:17 PM (UBBWX)
807
If it makes Ace feel better to rant, we let him rant. We need Ace around here. He makes life interesting for all of us. We can handle the pro-Trump nut jobs, as opposed to the regular folks resigned to voting for Trump that is.
Posted by: Jaimo at August 18, 2016 04:17 PM (9U1OG)
808
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (mgbwf)
I don't know why. I guess it's synonymous with "loser", but if I'm apparently a Hillary supporter, things are going pretty well for me.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 04:14 PM (mgbwf)
I don't know why. I guess it's synonymous with "loser", but if I'm apparently a Hillary supporter, things are going pretty well for me.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:17 PM (BXcJU)
809
What campaign against Trump? There's no money, no organization, just at most a few elected officials saying they can't support him and leaving it at that. IF everyone criticized Trump fell right in behind him, what? He'd lose by 8.8 points instead of 9?
Posted by: DOBSON
What are you talking about, they even have a candidate that's only purpose is to siphon votes.
He's not on enough state ballots to win the election, so he's just there to take away support.
Posted by: DOBSON
What are you talking about, they even have a candidate that's only purpose is to siphon votes.
He's not on enough state ballots to win the election, so he's just there to take away support.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:18 PM (qX02u)
810
Trump is "Maybe it's time we re-examine some of our 'free trade' agreements."
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That's fine. I prefer he just tear them up and say we will not impose any tariffs on any products coming in. The American people can determine who they want to buy from on their own.
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That's fine. I prefer he just tear them up and say we will not impose any tariffs on any products coming in. The American people can determine who they want to buy from on their own.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 04:18 PM (gmeXX)
811
788 I've never seen such a bunch of defeatists and cowards in my life
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 04:13 PM (Ozsfq)
You said that a couple of weeks ago not that I disagree. Lots of people trashing the only person running against the most corrupt politician I've ever seen.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2016 04:13 PM (Ozsfq)
You said that a couple of weeks ago not that I disagree. Lots of people trashing the only person running against the most corrupt politician I've ever seen.
Posted by: ryukyu at August 18, 2016 04:18 PM (960oq)
812
"Trump is "Maybe it's time we re-examine some of our 'free trade' agreements." Now I know life is good for you in your blue utopia as you shift seamlessly from one job to the next while having carnal encounters with European scandis and non-scandis. However, people (your fellow countrymen) without your talents might not be in a position to avoid the consequences of this brave new world."
And he also said 45% tarriffs against China.
That's not "maybe."
He goes back and forth on this issue, as with most.
Obama perfected this blank slate method.
And he also said 45% tarriffs against China.
That's not "maybe."
He goes back and forth on this issue, as with most.
Obama perfected this blank slate method.
Posted by: Harun at August 18, 2016 04:18 PM (UBBWX)
813
Just kind of thinking out loud here, not trying to sell anybody a unicorn. But I haven't seen this idea floated in all the election hype I've read this year, and I wonder if anybody has considered the opposite poll effect? Like when you are so much in the lead in the polls that it stifles your GOTV efforts.
This probably has some kind of scientific name, but I don't know it.
That is, if my candidate is so far ahead, I don't really have to vote. It's already in the bag. I think the typical Democratic LIV Hillary voters might be especially vulnerable to this.
This probably has some kind of scientific name, but I don't know it.
That is, if my candidate is so far ahead, I don't really have to vote. It's already in the bag. I think the typical Democratic LIV Hillary voters might be especially vulnerable to this.
Posted by: Agemt Cooper at August 18, 2016 04:19 PM (1zARK)
814
However, people (your fellow countrymen) without your talents might not be in a position to avoid the consequences of this brave new world.
Eh. If it makes you feel better I am not at all successful, despite lots of good schooling.
I just don't use the data point of me as the arbiter of what I believe in.
Eh. If it makes you feel better I am not at all successful, despite lots of good schooling.
I just don't use the data point of me as the arbiter of what I believe in.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 04:19 PM (mgbwf)
815
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:18 PM (qX02u)
There are always Third Party candidates. In 2012, the Constitution Party ran a candidate; is that why Romney lost?
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:18 PM (qX02u)
There are always Third Party candidates. In 2012, the Constitution Party ran a candidate; is that why Romney lost?
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:19 PM (BXcJU)
816
"Culture of surrender?"
The election is lost. The people who actually wanted to fight were the ones supporting nominating someone with a chance to win. Acknowledging that Trump is going down to miserable defeat is not a surrender mentality, it's just stating the obvious. Whether Susan Collins supports Trump or not, he's toast.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (BXcJU)
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Hillary is consistently below 45%...that is not a lost election. However I am glad you proved my point about defeatism! Thank You...
The election is lost. The people who actually wanted to fight were the ones supporting nominating someone with a chance to win. Acknowledging that Trump is going down to miserable defeat is not a surrender mentality, it's just stating the obvious. Whether Susan Collins supports Trump or not, he's toast.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 03:53 PM (BXcJU)
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Hillary is consistently below 45%...that is not a lost election. However I am glad you proved my point about defeatism! Thank You...
Posted by: William Eaton at August 18, 2016 04:20 PM (KhJh8)
817
"So how much more than fifty million of his own skin is he supposed to put in?"
Not to begrudge what he already spent, but if it was a chance to go down in history?
I might put a lot.
Posted by: Harun
i will say I'm GREATLY disappointed in trump being stingy with self-funding
I KNEW he was going to pull that shit as he's not nearly as wealthy as he likes to brag about
if I could possibly be President and was the nominee, I would be willing to sacrifice at least half my net worth.
$50 million is like me buying somebody a nice Christmas gift even if the guy is "only" worth a billion.
Not to begrudge what he already spent, but if it was a chance to go down in history?
I might put a lot.
Posted by: Harun
i will say I'm GREATLY disappointed in trump being stingy with self-funding
I KNEW he was going to pull that shit as he's not nearly as wealthy as he likes to brag about
if I could possibly be President and was the nominee, I would be willing to sacrifice at least half my net worth.
$50 million is like me buying somebody a nice Christmas gift even if the guy is "only" worth a billion.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:20 PM (qX02u)
818
I don't care so long as he believes the same things I do. With respect to Trump, I think it is merely in response to Trump saying he can self-fund and wouldn't be beholden to people.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 04:16 PM (gmeXX)
I'm more afraid of people who think they're beholden to no one.
I don't care so long as he believes the same things I do. With respect to Trump, I think it is merely in response to Trump saying he can self-fund and wouldn't be beholden to people.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 04:16 PM (gmeXX)
I'm more afraid of people who think they're beholden to no one.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 18, 2016 04:21 PM (lKyWE)
819
Posted by: The Fabulous T at August 18, 2016 03:31 PM (MeXxt)
Agreed. My one compelling motivation to vote Trump is that living through an awful presidency is way more enjoyable with Ace's commentary, which I can't enjoy if Ace slits his wrists.
Agreed. My one compelling motivation to vote Trump is that living through an awful presidency is way more enjoyable with Ace's commentary, which I can't enjoy if Ace slits his wrists.
Posted by: reform highlander at August 18, 2016 04:21 PM (jCH/T)
820
"The Republican party is toast, well on it's way to being as influential as is the Independent, Libertarian, or Green party."
If only there had been some way to predict that killing the GOP would ensure a Democrat in the White House for the indefinite future.
If only there had been some way to predict that killing the GOP would ensure a Democrat in the White House for the indefinite future.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 18, 2016 04:21 PM (fn3+8)
821
Trump has paid his own businesses for a lot of his campaign expenses. He will also likely pay himself back for some loans he had taken out. I don't have a problem with either.
I'm just waiting for the ads that are reportedly going to be released tomorrow .
I'm just waiting for the ads that are reportedly going to be released tomorrow .
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at August 18, 2016 04:23 PM (cLMWw)
822
There are always Third Party candidates. In 2012, the Constitution Party ran a candidate; is that why Romney lost?
Posted by: DOBSON
Did the Constitution Party have former Republican Presidential nominees like Mitt Romney behind them?
This guy has Republican Establishment fingerprints all over it. And this was like their leftovers from the other candidate they tried to draft.
If Trump loses, you better believe that people like you are going to be on the shit list. It's not going to mean they come together and support people like Romney and Paul Ryan.
If you throw your lot in with Hillary, better be prepared for the appropriate treatment.
Posted by: DOBSON
Did the Constitution Party have former Republican Presidential nominees like Mitt Romney behind them?
This guy has Republican Establishment fingerprints all over it. And this was like their leftovers from the other candidate they tried to draft.
If Trump loses, you better believe that people like you are going to be on the shit list. It's not going to mean they come together and support people like Romney and Paul Ryan.
If you throw your lot in with Hillary, better be prepared for the appropriate treatment.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:24 PM (qX02u)
823
Enough website talking points. Enough about Twitter and stadiums. Tell me how Trump will win 100% of the toss up states and at least 1-2 more states where he's currently losing within the next 81 days.
Posted by: Damiano at August 18, 2016 04:12 PM (71OEY)
Why, through the magic of shouting and calling people names! Watch it work!
I mean, it's sure turned a large number of Internet Comment Sections into endless shouting matches, and that's no mean feat.
Eventually, everything will be shouted. It's the wave of the future.
Posted by: Damiano at August 18, 2016 04:12 PM (71OEY)
Why, through the magic of shouting and calling people names! Watch it work!
I mean, it's sure turned a large number of Internet Comment Sections into endless shouting matches, and that's no mean feat.
Eventually, everything will be shouted. It's the wave of the future.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 18, 2016 04:26 PM (wB8Tg)
824
And he also said 45% tarriffs against China.
That's not "maybe."
He goes back and forth on this issue, as with most.
Obama perfected this blank slate method.
Posted by: Harun at August 18, 2016 04:18 PM (UBBWX)
Negotiating strategy.
That's not "maybe."
He goes back and forth on this issue, as with most.
Obama perfected this blank slate method.
Posted by: Harun at August 18, 2016 04:18 PM (UBBWX)
Negotiating strategy.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 18, 2016 04:26 PM (Ee2nz)
825
I can guarantee that whether Trump wins the election or not will be swayed by how many terrorist attacks occur on American soil between now and then. Another Orlando massacre and everyone will forget about Trump's buffoonery.
Posted by: Ben (the original) at August 18, 2016 04:27 PM (DcG8N)
826
It's always nice to see people making Enemies Lists. Keeps them busy, off the streets.
Man, what a colossally stupid time to be alive.
Man, what a colossally stupid time to be alive.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 18, 2016 04:28 PM (wB8Tg)
827
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:24 PM (qX02u)
"Did the Constitution Party have former Republican Presidential nominees like Mitt Romney behind them?"
Who's endorsed McMullin again? Maybe Sasse.... maybe? Isn't Trump the republican nominee? Doesn't that make him "establishment" by definition? Reince and his cronies quashed all efforts to get rid off Trump. I guess the "establishment" doesn't include anyone from the RNC.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:24 PM (qX02u)
"Did the Constitution Party have former Republican Presidential nominees like Mitt Romney behind them?"
Who's endorsed McMullin again? Maybe Sasse.... maybe? Isn't Trump the republican nominee? Doesn't that make him "establishment" by definition? Reince and his cronies quashed all efforts to get rid off Trump. I guess the "establishment" doesn't include anyone from the RNC.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:29 PM (BXcJU)
828
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:24 PM (qX02u)
WHEN Trump loses, blame will go to those that supported him in the primary. As well as it should.
Todd Akin, 2012: "I'm gonna hold everyone who told me to quit responsible for McCaskill's reelection!"
WHEN Trump loses, blame will go to those that supported him in the primary. As well as it should.
Todd Akin, 2012: "I'm gonna hold everyone who told me to quit responsible for McCaskill's reelection!"
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:30 PM (BXcJU)
829
Watching from up here on the brim of America's Hat© I'll admit I wouldn't know what to do if I were a Yank.
Vote for Clinton?
F*ck no!
Vote for Trump?
Seriously?
That's my only option?
Don't vote?
Can't do that either.
About the only thing I could possibly do is vote for Trump while holding my nose.
At least with Trump in the Whitehouse you know the media would get back to actually covering the presidency with a critical eye (yeah, a Democrat operative eye but take what you can get)
A Clinton presidency would be a disaster for your 2nd, 1st and who knows how many other amendments.
Ugh...
I used to joke about having lots of popcorn ready for November.
Not so much now.
All the best, America.
Hope you make it through this shit show intact.
Vote for Clinton?
F*ck no!
Vote for Trump?
Seriously?
That's my only option?
Don't vote?
Can't do that either.
About the only thing I could possibly do is vote for Trump while holding my nose.
At least with Trump in the Whitehouse you know the media would get back to actually covering the presidency with a critical eye (yeah, a Democrat operative eye but take what you can get)
A Clinton presidency would be a disaster for your 2nd, 1st and who knows how many other amendments.
Ugh...
I used to joke about having lots of popcorn ready for November.
Not so much now.
All the best, America.
Hope you make it through this shit show intact.
Posted by: mistahtibbs at August 18, 2016 04:31 PM (lhki9)
830
Good piece, Ace.
If I may expand, the race could be far from over, but Trump has decided it is. Faced with winning by pretending not to be an asshole for the next twelve weeks vs. being himself and losing, he chosen to lose. But not if losing really means winning. Look at the most recent staff additions.
Kellyanne Conway. Kinda a joke among Republican pollsters, her ass kissing effectively replaces Paul Manafort's content harping. Good for the ego.
Stephen K Bannon. Crappy website, but a stone cold cash cow that knows click bait and monitization better than anyone else. Long looking for the route to a TV outlet for his Trumpian worldview.
Roger Ailes. The man who built FoxNews from the ground up to #1. Forced from his perch for doing the same thing Donald would do if he had larger hands. Wants revenge on the Murdochs.
So, you see where this is going. Consolidate your support among the 30% of True Believers with other people's money and convert them into viewers of your new Trump/Breitbart/Ailes news network. Fox, CNN and MSNBC pull about 3% of TV households combined in prime time. Do you know what a prime time show on, say, NBC with those numbers is called? Cancelled. It's a pretty low bar to clear.
Oh, yeah. A racist, sexist version of TMZ would sit atop the cable news space within a year. And that's even without poaching top notch talent like Sean Hannity and Judge Janine. Trump would finally be worth the $10 billion he claims. Shit, possibly more. No shortage of gold dealer and catheter advertising dollars await.
If I may expand, the race could be far from over, but Trump has decided it is. Faced with winning by pretending not to be an asshole for the next twelve weeks vs. being himself and losing, he chosen to lose. But not if losing really means winning. Look at the most recent staff additions.
Kellyanne Conway. Kinda a joke among Republican pollsters, her ass kissing effectively replaces Paul Manafort's content harping. Good for the ego.
Stephen K Bannon. Crappy website, but a stone cold cash cow that knows click bait and monitization better than anyone else. Long looking for the route to a TV outlet for his Trumpian worldview.
Roger Ailes. The man who built FoxNews from the ground up to #1. Forced from his perch for doing the same thing Donald would do if he had larger hands. Wants revenge on the Murdochs.
So, you see where this is going. Consolidate your support among the 30% of True Believers with other people's money and convert them into viewers of your new Trump/Breitbart/Ailes news network. Fox, CNN and MSNBC pull about 3% of TV households combined in prime time. Do you know what a prime time show on, say, NBC with those numbers is called? Cancelled. It's a pretty low bar to clear.
Oh, yeah. A racist, sexist version of TMZ would sit atop the cable news space within a year. And that's even without poaching top notch talent like Sean Hannity and Judge Janine. Trump would finally be worth the $10 billion he claims. Shit, possibly more. No shortage of gold dealer and catheter advertising dollars await.
Posted by: Desmondo at August 18, 2016 04:31 PM (zsQy2)
831
Ace:
On the polls... My theory is that at this stage, they are full of shit. They are agenda driven and based on turn-out models that achieve the results they desire. If they want to shock people into fearing a Trump victory, he is up. If they want to demoralize Trump voters, he is down. However, as the election approaches, the pollsters start worrying about their reputations. They want their final polls to match up with the election results as much as possible. Come mid-October, if Trump is still outside the margin of error, he is toast. Remember, polls are graded by how close their last results match the election, not what they barfed up 3 months out.
On ace's crisis of confidence: Here is the thing, people in government suck. People in politics suck. They attract they suckiest among us. So, you can be conservative and hate the so called "conservatives" in government and politics, because they suck -- not because their conservative -- because they are in government and politics. I loath Cruz not because he is conservative, but because he is a dick. He is a dick for the same reasons he decided to go into politics and government. A conservative will always be fighting a two front war -- the progressives (obviously), but also our "conservative" representatives, who, because of the defects in their personality that drove them into government and politics first place, will fuck us over time and time again. Remember, they suck or they wouldn't be there.
That is the attraction of the outsider Trump. He is not a politician and has never been in government. Plus, he is not a Wall Street type, making money in the abstract, but rather a Main Street type, who made his money by actually building things -- buildings, businesses, hit TV shows, etc. That is not nothing. Sure, he's a dick too, but for different reasons that all the other politicians are dicks. And I guess the only reason he made it this far, unfortunately, was his dick-like qualities. Nevertheless, we are stuck with dicks representing us. But it is our duty as American patriots to do the best we can for out fellow citizens and for our children. Hillary is by far the greater dick. You could say she is the decrepit old queen of dicks. So, our duty and honor mean fighting the prospect of a Hillary presidency with every tool available. Right now, the only tool at our disposal is Trump. So, we need to try to carry his ass (and his defective personality) over the finish line. Be like Gateway Pundit, Breitbart, Drudge, the Conservative Tree House. Build Trump up, tear Hillary down, Be the best partisan you can be. If you cannot say anything supported, do a humorous movie review
Sure, your website will be facing hate speech charges and you'll be facing an IRS audit this time next year, but you owe as much to your fellow citizens and your children (or at least my children) to give it the ol' college try. Hillary is THAT bad.
Respect.
On the polls... My theory is that at this stage, they are full of shit. They are agenda driven and based on turn-out models that achieve the results they desire. If they want to shock people into fearing a Trump victory, he is up. If they want to demoralize Trump voters, he is down. However, as the election approaches, the pollsters start worrying about their reputations. They want their final polls to match up with the election results as much as possible. Come mid-October, if Trump is still outside the margin of error, he is toast. Remember, polls are graded by how close their last results match the election, not what they barfed up 3 months out.
On ace's crisis of confidence: Here is the thing, people in government suck. People in politics suck. They attract they suckiest among us. So, you can be conservative and hate the so called "conservatives" in government and politics, because they suck -- not because their conservative -- because they are in government and politics. I loath Cruz not because he is conservative, but because he is a dick. He is a dick for the same reasons he decided to go into politics and government. A conservative will always be fighting a two front war -- the progressives (obviously), but also our "conservative" representatives, who, because of the defects in their personality that drove them into government and politics first place, will fuck us over time and time again. Remember, they suck or they wouldn't be there.
That is the attraction of the outsider Trump. He is not a politician and has never been in government. Plus, he is not a Wall Street type, making money in the abstract, but rather a Main Street type, who made his money by actually building things -- buildings, businesses, hit TV shows, etc. That is not nothing. Sure, he's a dick too, but for different reasons that all the other politicians are dicks. And I guess the only reason he made it this far, unfortunately, was his dick-like qualities. Nevertheless, we are stuck with dicks representing us. But it is our duty as American patriots to do the best we can for out fellow citizens and for our children. Hillary is by far the greater dick. You could say she is the decrepit old queen of dicks. So, our duty and honor mean fighting the prospect of a Hillary presidency with every tool available. Right now, the only tool at our disposal is Trump. So, we need to try to carry his ass (and his defective personality) over the finish line. Be like Gateway Pundit, Breitbart, Drudge, the Conservative Tree House. Build Trump up, tear Hillary down, Be the best partisan you can be. If you cannot say anything supported, do a humorous movie review
Sure, your website will be facing hate speech charges and you'll be facing an IRS audit this time next year, but you owe as much to your fellow citizens and your children (or at least my children) to give it the ol' college try. Hillary is THAT bad.
Respect.
Posted by: tommylotto at August 18, 2016 04:31 PM (A3a8d)
832
Watching Trump destroy himself and the GOP is going to be entertaining only to the sociopaths in the Democratic party.
Trump, at this point, is completely delusional. He talks about winning and being a winner, but he has no idea he about to go down as the biggest loser in American electoral politics.
Trump is so bad right now the GOP is being forecast to lose the Senate.
The GOP at the national level is pretty much toast until 2024, at least.
Trump, at this point, is completely delusional. He talks about winning and being a winner, but he has no idea he about to go down as the biggest loser in American electoral politics.
Trump is so bad right now the GOP is being forecast to lose the Senate.
The GOP at the national level is pretty much toast until 2024, at least.
Posted by: MacGruber at August 18, 2016 04:32 PM (FEAjO)
833
@34: There's never such a thing as "no possible replacement" in a presidential election (unless the Electoral College has already voted AND nobody made it to 270 electoral votes). If a candidate dies before the Electoral College votes, their electors can vote for somebody else.
The major parties do have procedures for replacing a nominee who dies before the election or before the Electoral College votes.
The major parties do have procedures for replacing a nominee who dies before the election or before the Electoral College votes.
Posted by: Joshua K. at August 18, 2016 04:33 PM (oCZ4e)
834
>>831
Ace:
On the polls... My theory is that at this stage, they are full of shit.<<
Yes, they are full of shit, but full of shit in a bad way for the GOP. Most polls rely on landlines - which skew towards the older, white demographic that votes GOP. There aren't that many reliable polls that hit mobile phones, the ones used primarily by everyone under the age of 45, many of whom have given up on their landline or screen out the calls.
So put me in the Perino/Ace camp - these polls are full of shit, but not in any good way for the GOP.
Ace:
On the polls... My theory is that at this stage, they are full of shit.<<
Yes, they are full of shit, but full of shit in a bad way for the GOP. Most polls rely on landlines - which skew towards the older, white demographic that votes GOP. There aren't that many reliable polls that hit mobile phones, the ones used primarily by everyone under the age of 45, many of whom have given up on their landline or screen out the calls.
So put me in the Perino/Ace camp - these polls are full of shit, but not in any good way for the GOP.
Posted by: MacGruber at August 18, 2016 04:35 PM (FEAjO)
835
Um, she's wrong. What president has been elected using August polling numbers? Not one.
I've actually met Dana Perino. Lovely woman. Gentle. Kind. Very smart. Beautiful. But she is also in the Bush fan club. She told me lovely things about the Bushes when I met her (right before Tony Snow stepped down). I believed her.
However, I also believe that she is part of the group of 'elites' who believe they know better than the average American. I also think she doesn't understand Trump's campaign, so to her it looks 'chaotic' and not planned enough. Even though planning did nothing for McCain or Romney.
The old rules are out.
Besides, why is the press suddenly focusing on the state polls rather than the national polls, which show Clinton's lead evaporating one day at a time? Why did they not mention the Rasmussen poll that show them 2 points apart, with Trump only 4 points behind with women (Obama won women by 12 points) and 'tied' with minorities (excluding blacks)?
Dana, I love you, but you are very very wrong.
I've actually met Dana Perino. Lovely woman. Gentle. Kind. Very smart. Beautiful. But she is also in the Bush fan club. She told me lovely things about the Bushes when I met her (right before Tony Snow stepped down). I believed her.
However, I also believe that she is part of the group of 'elites' who believe they know better than the average American. I also think she doesn't understand Trump's campaign, so to her it looks 'chaotic' and not planned enough. Even though planning did nothing for McCain or Romney.
The old rules are out.
Besides, why is the press suddenly focusing on the state polls rather than the national polls, which show Clinton's lead evaporating one day at a time? Why did they not mention the Rasmussen poll that show them 2 points apart, with Trump only 4 points behind with women (Obama won women by 12 points) and 'tied' with minorities (excluding blacks)?
Dana, I love you, but you are very very wrong.
Posted by: K-E at August 18, 2016 04:36 PM (FhrS2)
836
The only poll that counts is the one in November. There are a lot of days between now and the election. I have no idea who will win, I could not believe the country elected Bill the first time. I predicted Obama as president even before he ran. I also knew that he would give us what we have, but I did not expect to see John Roberts rollover or the republican party rollover. I thought that at some point the rampant corruption by the ruling class would be met with revolt, but I have yet to see it.
I know the republican party is in for a big surprise. I am not voting for the congressional or senate seats which have republican incumbents. They betrayed us.
I will vote for Trump. If he loses, the country is finished. I've done my best to educate the people who will listen, but the pop culture is a drug unlike any other and the democrat party owns it. I will fight until the end, but it is uphill battle.
I know the republican party is in for a big surprise. I am not voting for the congressional or senate seats which have republican incumbents. They betrayed us.
I will vote for Trump. If he loses, the country is finished. I've done my best to educate the people who will listen, but the pop culture is a drug unlike any other and the democrat party owns it. I will fight until the end, but it is uphill battle.
Posted by: Locke Common at August 18, 2016 04:38 PM (I6Am+)
837
I'm with you, Ace, but I'm not going to work for the Dems. I'm gonna look out for myself and smile a lot at liberals. We have delivered landslides to the Repubs in Congress, governor seats, and still nothing changes. They hold back the spending a little, but just a little.
Also, we all know liberals are mentally ill. Why else would they all be screeching with rage when someone says they're a Republican, when they control everything else? So even if Trump wins, the level of hatred they will deliver to us will be unbearable.
So for me, I'm going to keep my nose clean, sip a fine wine or two and try not to say "I told you so" when the shi-ite hits the fan.
Also, we all know liberals are mentally ill. Why else would they all be screeching with rage when someone says they're a Republican, when they control everything else? So even if Trump wins, the level of hatred they will deliver to us will be unbearable.
So for me, I'm going to keep my nose clean, sip a fine wine or two and try not to say "I told you so" when the shi-ite hits the fan.
Posted by: PJ at August 18, 2016 04:38 PM (cHuNI)
838
Eh. If it makes you feel better I am not at all successful, despite lots of good schooling.
I just don't use the data point of me as the arbiter of what I believe in.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 04:19 PM (mgbwf)
I'm not some factory worker either and am decently well off (not rich but not poor). I don't know if it was posted here, but I think it was WaPo who found out that most Trump supporters are not out of work people. They are people who are doing okay but worried about the future for their kids and neighbors.
The 50+ year old guy who lost his job to Mexico (where they pay $1.50/hr) is pretty much SOL for finding a semi-decent job. His data point is that it sucks for him.
Economists focus on raw numbers and treat people as solely economic animals. They aren't. There is more to a nation and people than economic efficiency.
I just don't use the data point of me as the arbiter of what I believe in.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 18, 2016 04:19 PM (mgbwf)
I'm not some factory worker either and am decently well off (not rich but not poor). I don't know if it was posted here, but I think it was WaPo who found out that most Trump supporters are not out of work people. They are people who are doing okay but worried about the future for their kids and neighbors.
The 50+ year old guy who lost his job to Mexico (where they pay $1.50/hr) is pretty much SOL for finding a semi-decent job. His data point is that it sucks for him.
Economists focus on raw numbers and treat people as solely economic animals. They aren't. There is more to a nation and people than economic efficiency.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at August 18, 2016 04:39 PM (Ee2nz)
839
825 A lot of truth to this. If there's another Muslim terrorist attack on American soil, and Hillary's telling us we need 100,000 more Syrians in this country and Trump's just a hater, she's going to sink. I don't know how far - depends on the size of attack, I suppose. But she's definitely going to lose ground with voters.
Posted by: Ted K. at August 18, 2016 04:39 PM (seSmy)
840
#831 Excellent comment, tommylotto.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 18, 2016 04:40 PM (LdMbv)
841
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Posted by: Samuel Adams Blood Orange at August 18, 2016 04:40 PM (UsgHM)
842
That's fine. I prefer he just tear them up and say we will not impose any tariffs on any products coming in. The American people can determine who they want to buy from on their own.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 04:18 PM (gmeXX)
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The problem is that open borders and 'free trade' present similar problems when it comes to the Third World.
Even Milton Friedman conceded that it makes no economic sense for a First World welfare state to allow open borders migration of Third World populations. We can't have both a welfare state and allow unlimited immigration of low-skilled, low-educated populations with an 80% high school dropout rate and 50% illegitimacy rate. Even as the Democrats propose extending free public schooling all the way through the college years.
On the other hand, open borders with another First World welfare state country with a highly-educated population, such as Norway for example, doesn't present the same economic problem to us.
Similarly, open trade with other First World countries with similar wages and similar welfare, labor, environmental, safety and other regulatory costs presents a different set of circumstances than open trade with Third World manufacturing. There is the possibility of both countries benefiting from actual comparative advantage, rather than pure labor cost or regulatory arbitrage.
Allowing unlimited importation of Third World goods and the unlimited relocation of our manufacturing facilities to Third World countries puts economic stresses on our welfare state economy in a similar way to that from unlimited immigration from the Third World.
Manufacturing jobs move from the United States to the Third World, yet we continue to try to provide First World welfare and pensions and health care to our population, even as people move from higher value-added jobs making engineered products to service jobs in restaurants or call centers or just unemployment.
Even as the middle class dwindles away, our government debt climbs because of our continued First World welfare entitlement commitments. It is true that US consumers benefit from the cheaper Third World goods, just as US employers benefit from cheaper labor in the case of unlimited Third World immigration. But unless US working class communities conveniently crawl off and die or the US abandons the idea of providing a welfare state, we are ultimately going to lose economically as the US workforce de-industrializes, becomes unemployed or underemployed and our tax base withers.
Posted by: SH at August 18, 2016 04:18 PM (gmeXX)
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The problem is that open borders and 'free trade' present similar problems when it comes to the Third World.
Even Milton Friedman conceded that it makes no economic sense for a First World welfare state to allow open borders migration of Third World populations. We can't have both a welfare state and allow unlimited immigration of low-skilled, low-educated populations with an 80% high school dropout rate and 50% illegitimacy rate. Even as the Democrats propose extending free public schooling all the way through the college years.
On the other hand, open borders with another First World welfare state country with a highly-educated population, such as Norway for example, doesn't present the same economic problem to us.
Similarly, open trade with other First World countries with similar wages and similar welfare, labor, environmental, safety and other regulatory costs presents a different set of circumstances than open trade with Third World manufacturing. There is the possibility of both countries benefiting from actual comparative advantage, rather than pure labor cost or regulatory arbitrage.
Allowing unlimited importation of Third World goods and the unlimited relocation of our manufacturing facilities to Third World countries puts economic stresses on our welfare state economy in a similar way to that from unlimited immigration from the Third World.
Manufacturing jobs move from the United States to the Third World, yet we continue to try to provide First World welfare and pensions and health care to our population, even as people move from higher value-added jobs making engineered products to service jobs in restaurants or call centers or just unemployment.
Even as the middle class dwindles away, our government debt climbs because of our continued First World welfare entitlement commitments. It is true that US consumers benefit from the cheaper Third World goods, just as US employers benefit from cheaper labor in the case of unlimited Third World immigration. But unless US working class communities conveniently crawl off and die or the US abandons the idea of providing a welfare state, we are ultimately going to lose economically as the US workforce de-industrializes, becomes unemployed or underemployed and our tax base withers.
Posted by: Scalia's Ghost at August 18, 2016 04:40 PM (PL2OL)
843
Good analogy about ice forming on lake in winter.
As for the Trump supporters reforming the Republican party in their image, I suggest you look at how Trump's support breaks down by age. Old farts don't own the future. They can only mortgage it away.
As for the Trump supporters reforming the Republican party in their image, I suggest you look at how Trump's support breaks down by age. Old farts don't own the future. They can only mortgage it away.
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at August 18, 2016 04:41 PM (SQzrg)
844
I'll absolutely blame "NeverTrumps" in part if Trump loses. And don't think for a minute the NeverTrump Republicans are going to get a warm embrace when this is all over.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (qX02u)
Sure....they'll be about 15% responsible.
50% of the blame goes to Trump and the people who foolishly voted for him in the primaries.
Another 35% goes to the GOPe for radicalizing so many people beyond rationality in the first place.
Posted by: Maritime at August 18, 2016 04:04 PM (qX02u)
Sure....they'll be about 15% responsible.
50% of the blame goes to Trump and the people who foolishly voted for him in the primaries.
Another 35% goes to the GOPe for radicalizing so many people beyond rationality in the first place.
Posted by: lowtech redneck at August 18, 2016 04:41 PM (KF8B+)
845
#NeverTrump...that is all.
I saw this coming.
Ace is going to go all Robert Stacy McCain and stop blogging about partisan politics....which is a shame for both.
I saw this coming.
Ace is going to go all Robert Stacy McCain and stop blogging about partisan politics....which is a shame for both.
Posted by: Ginned up Controversy at August 18, 2016 04:42 PM (QSZu4)
846
"Trump, at this point, is completely delusional. He talks about winning and being a winner, but he has no idea he about to go down as the biggest loser in American electoral politics."
Let me guess. You were one of those people that for the last year and two months have been telling us that Trump is a buffoon and is going to lose. And lose big.
Heh.
So your prediction only gives more weight to the proposition that Trump will go down as the biggest winner in American electoral politics.
Let me guess. You were one of those people that for the last year and two months have been telling us that Trump is a buffoon and is going to lose. And lose big.
Heh.
So your prediction only gives more weight to the proposition that Trump will go down as the biggest winner in American electoral politics.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 04:44 PM (syAr3)
847
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 04:44 PM (syAr3)
You know about PredictIt? They have Trump at about 20% over there, so if you're right, you can quintuple whatever you want to put down.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 04:44 PM (syAr3)
You know about PredictIt? They have Trump at about 20% over there, so if you're right, you can quintuple whatever you want to put down.
Posted by: DOBSON at August 18, 2016 04:45 PM (BXcJU)
848
Trump is all we have, deal with it babies. There are lo-fo Republicans, just like Dems, except our lo-fos want jobs. Please negativity is for losers.
Posted by: A Mick not drunk at August 18, 2016 04:47 PM (4vYTR)
849
Ace,
I really think the solution is in individual States actively rebelling against the Feds. Not outright secession (yet), but simply nullifying laws that overreach the Feds authority. Like what Colorado and Washington have done with marijuana. Yes, it'll be messy and chaotic, but let's have that conversation as a nation. And frankly if Texas starts swinging its dick, what are the Feds going to do?
I really think the solution is in individual States actively rebelling against the Feds. Not outright secession (yet), but simply nullifying laws that overreach the Feds authority. Like what Colorado and Washington have done with marijuana. Yes, it'll be messy and chaotic, but let's have that conversation as a nation. And frankly if Texas starts swinging its dick, what are the Feds going to do?
Posted by: Bo Jackson at August 18, 2016 04:49 PM (/MKCq)
850
PS Dana Perino is GOPe, she sucks. Who would listen to her? She is in a bubble with a dog, with other rich people.
Posted by: A Mick not drunk at August 18, 2016 04:51 PM (4vYTR)
851
I prefer to look at historical examples instead.
When the shoe was on the other foot, and Republicans won three straight presidential elections (80, 84, 8, the Democrats looked like they were back on their heels, even though they, like Republicans today, controlled Congress and many state governorships and state legislatures. So they nominated a candidate in 92 that was clearly different from all the rest of their previous losers (at least superficially), had a lot of charisma, was able to cut through the media noise, could generate lots of enthusiasm, AND could run a competent campaign with the full backing of his party who desperately wanted a win at that point.
I think that is the type of candidate that we need for 2020.
When the shoe was on the other foot, and Republicans won three straight presidential elections (80, 84, 8
, the Democrats looked like they were back on their heels, even though they, like Republicans today, controlled Congress and many state governorships and state legislatures. So they nominated a candidate in 92 that was clearly different from all the rest of their previous losers (at least superficially), had a lot of charisma, was able to cut through the media noise, could generate lots of enthusiasm, AND could run a competent campaign with the full backing of his party who desperately wanted a win at that point.I think that is the type of candidate that we need for 2020.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 18, 2016 04:51 PM (uAvJJ)
852
735 Expect the counter-offensive to start after Labor Day. I can almost hear General Zhukov gunning the engines of 3,000 T-34 tanks.
I prefer a midway analogy. The remnants of VT-6, VT-8 and VT-3 are settling in the water. Ensign Gay is watching the battle from the ocean. But Wade McClusky has spotted a destroyer wake worth a look.
I prefer a midway analogy. The remnants of VT-6, VT-8 and VT-3 are settling in the water. Ensign Gay is watching the battle from the ocean. But Wade McClusky has spotted a destroyer wake worth a look.
Posted by: Keith at August 18, 2016 04:52 PM (nFB1w)
853
"Another 35% goes to the GOPe for radicalizing so many people beyond rationality in the first place."
THIS cannot be emphasized enough. Except it's not just the GOPe that does this, it's the entire conservative media outrage complex.
THIS cannot be emphasized enough. Except it's not just the GOPe that does this, it's the entire conservative media outrage complex.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 18, 2016 04:52 PM (uAvJJ)
854
Looks like Romney has a surrogate now running as independent, the former CIA operative. He is a Mormon in case you didn't know. Trump being a billionaire and refusing to take advice is why he will use. Cant have Yesmen all your lite and then run for potus. He seems to be tone deaf and not have any common sense. His ego is going to get the quern of lies elected.
Posted by: Romney's surrogate at August 18, 2016 04:55 PM (NcxzR)
855
Nah, keep your chin up, keep on keepin on. What's this loser talk of losers? STAND. THE. FUCK. UP.
I'm going with Mike Cernovich on this one, who's been right all along and is an expert on motivation.
Hillary's people are not motivated. Trump's are. That nugget doesn't make it into polls.
I was disgusted in so many past elections, having to hold my nose and vote for RINOs who I knew were gonna screw me, but at least not as hard as the Democrat-Socialist. And nearly everyone here shouted that it was the right thing to do. (McCain?? Romney?? These were your "conservatives?" ARFKM??!)
And now where are ya? Real good at dispiriting the troops, real good at refusing to tell people that maybe it's THEIR turn to hold their noses and vote for the R. This one's a bridge too far, is it?
If you (the collective "you") continue on this path to attempt to poison and destroy my brothers, then there will be great vengeance and furious anger!!!
I'm going with Mike Cernovich on this one, who's been right all along and is an expert on motivation.
Hillary's people are not motivated. Trump's are. That nugget doesn't make it into polls.
I was disgusted in so many past elections, having to hold my nose and vote for RINOs who I knew were gonna screw me, but at least not as hard as the Democrat-Socialist. And nearly everyone here shouted that it was the right thing to do. (McCain?? Romney?? These were your "conservatives?" ARFKM??!)
And now where are ya? Real good at dispiriting the troops, real good at refusing to tell people that maybe it's THEIR turn to hold their noses and vote for the R. This one's a bridge too far, is it?
If you (the collective "you") continue on this path to attempt to poison and destroy my brothers, then there will be great vengeance and furious anger!!!
Posted by: FredB at August 18, 2016 04:57 PM (c5sfq)
856
Why the doom and gloom around here? Dukakis was ahead by about 15 points at this point in 1988.
I think we lose because too much of us buy into the negative crap peddled by the media.
I think we lose because too much of us buy into the negative crap peddled by the media.
Posted by: Kaldar at August 18, 2016 04:59 PM (uA8nN)
857
I can't see myself joining the Dems -- at least not in their current form -- but I understand the sentiment.
I instead see myself privately slowly and privately withdrawing any allegiance to the U.S. No, I won't join an armed rebellion or in any way actively resist what I will regard as a temporary, provisional government. I'll merely do the bare minimum required of citizens and refuse to engage in any other way. No pinch of incense from me.
I'll just go back to clinging to my guns and religion. The government can go fuck off.
I instead see myself privately slowly and privately withdrawing any allegiance to the U.S. No, I won't join an armed rebellion or in any way actively resist what I will regard as a temporary, provisional government. I'll merely do the bare minimum required of citizens and refuse to engage in any other way. No pinch of incense from me.
I'll just go back to clinging to my guns and religion. The government can go fuck off.
Posted by: Ex-liberal at August 18, 2016 05:01 PM (gsdjp)
858
Trump's candidacy, despite the fact that I think it's the most important election I'll vote in (possibly the last), because he's beginning to feel very much like a loser to me, and I have better things to do with my time than dick around on behalf of a loser.
The Republican Party feels very much that way to me too: A collection of losers, losers who cannot win, and who only fight other Republicans because losers know the only people they can beat are other losers.
I'm pretty sure this election is my last election as an actual partisan; I don't fight uphill battles for losers, be they Trump or be they the perpetual corporate losers of the GOP.
There's a huge social penalty to be paid for being a Republican or conservative: And if this gang of losers is just determined to keep losing, for the alleged pristine purity of losing gamely in a gallant effort, then what I'm going to do is declare myself independent, and claim even to be Democrat leaning, because I will no longer pay the social price of being a social outcast for the sake of aligning myself with a group of people who plainly has no interest in actually winning anything.
Ace, I don't know if you have watched Trump's appearances over the past week, but he's been excellent every single day. You haven't heard about them, well, because he's been excellent. Romney is a mean, snide son of a bitch who looked down his nose at regular people, and I think that's why he lost. He was even shitty to his wife's Olympic dressage horse and super dismissive of her involvement with equestrian events. News flash to Mitt--people in flyover country like horses, and Anne seems like a nice lady.
Anyway, yeah, the media and the NeverTrump idiots are doing everything they can do to install Hillary's corpse as our next POTUS (which means Huma and George Soros will be POTUS). Things are looking grim. But salt of the earth Americans don't like corruption and being lied to, and a lot of them are getting killed by health insurance costs, or losing coverage altogether. Obama is vacationing while Milwaukee burns and LA drowns. I think Trump has a shot at this thing if he wants it, and his behavior over the past week indicates he does.
The Republican Party feels very much that way to me too: A collection of losers, losers who cannot win, and who only fight other Republicans because losers know the only people they can beat are other losers.
I'm pretty sure this election is my last election as an actual partisan; I don't fight uphill battles for losers, be they Trump or be they the perpetual corporate losers of the GOP.
There's a huge social penalty to be paid for being a Republican or conservative: And if this gang of losers is just determined to keep losing, for the alleged pristine purity of losing gamely in a gallant effort, then what I'm going to do is declare myself independent, and claim even to be Democrat leaning, because I will no longer pay the social price of being a social outcast for the sake of aligning myself with a group of people who plainly has no interest in actually winning anything.
Ace, I don't know if you have watched Trump's appearances over the past week, but he's been excellent every single day. You haven't heard about them, well, because he's been excellent. Romney is a mean, snide son of a bitch who looked down his nose at regular people, and I think that's why he lost. He was even shitty to his wife's Olympic dressage horse and super dismissive of her involvement with equestrian events. News flash to Mitt--people in flyover country like horses, and Anne seems like a nice lady.
Anyway, yeah, the media and the NeverTrump idiots are doing everything they can do to install Hillary's corpse as our next POTUS (which means Huma and George Soros will be POTUS). Things are looking grim. But salt of the earth Americans don't like corruption and being lied to, and a lot of them are getting killed by health insurance costs, or losing coverage altogether. Obama is vacationing while Milwaukee burns and LA drowns. I think Trump has a shot at this thing if he wants it, and his behavior over the past week indicates he does.
Posted by: Bernette at August 18, 2016 05:01 PM (3LwCF)
859
ACE: "I will no longer pay the social price of being a social outcast for the sake of aligning myself with a group of people who plainly has no interest in actually winning anything."
I can't say I'm real fond of your point of view Ace-- But Hey-- it IS yours. Me-- I have no interest in socializing with those who would ostracize me for my views--political or otherwise.
I can't say I'm real fond of your point of view Ace-- But Hey-- it IS yours. Me-- I have no interest in socializing with those who would ostracize me for my views--political or otherwise.
Posted by: rld77 WAY down south at August 18, 2016 05:02 PM (pHyot)
860
and for all you who worry about Trump's tone - maybe you'll get your wish, looks like he's working on it
He brought on Kellyanne, shows he's willing to finally work on polishing the message.
Plenty of time. Plenty of opportunities for more wikileaks, for more Hillary nervous ticks and shit stains, and the jihadis never take a break, sadly.
It is FAR from over.
He brought on Kellyanne, shows he's willing to finally work on polishing the message.
Plenty of time. Plenty of opportunities for more wikileaks, for more Hillary nervous ticks and shit stains, and the jihadis never take a break, sadly.
It is FAR from over.
Posted by: FredB at August 18, 2016 05:02 PM (c5sfq)
861
He'll win or he won't. I'm voting for Trump because it's the only responsible thing to do. Whether he wins or not doesn't change that, so polling is pretty much a moot point for me.
I have to disagree about the lock-in effect. I don't think we've reached that point in this election. The polls are freakishly volatile and the future is unpredictable.
Trump's actually been pretty Presidential lately. His tone is measured and calm. His appearance has steadily become more statesmanlike. This is what's needed. Is it too late? I really don't think it is.
I have to disagree about the lock-in effect. I don't think we've reached that point in this election. The polls are freakishly volatile and the future is unpredictable.
Trump's actually been pretty Presidential lately. His tone is measured and calm. His appearance has steadily become more statesmanlike. This is what's needed. Is it too late? I really don't think it is.
Posted by: GalosGann at August 18, 2016 05:03 PM (md1b/)
862
"But Wade McClusky has spotted a destroyer wake worth a look."
Love it. Can't wait for a few bombs to get dropped on Hillary's deck.
Love it. Can't wait for a few bombs to get dropped on Hillary's deck.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2016 05:04 PM (r1fLd)
863
ace, I thought you had already burned your Republican card? I think it is time for a podcast or are you waiting for end of crazy season?
Posted by: 5stagesofgrief at August 18, 2016 05:04 PM (mTz2u)
864
Damn ace, was this your mating call to NeverTrump douchebags?
Posted by: Bernette at August 18, 2016 05:05 PM (3LwCF)
865
I'll just go back to clinging to my guns and religion. The government can go fuck off.
Posted by: Ex-liberal at August 18, 2016 05:01 PM (gsdjp)
You may not be interested in the government, but the government is interested in you and especially your guns and your religion.
Posted by: Ex-liberal at August 18, 2016 05:01 PM (gsdjp)
You may not be interested in the government, but the government is interested in you and especially your guns and your religion.
Posted by: Hillary Trotsky at August 18, 2016 05:06 PM (PL2OL)
866
Barefoot sailors are inspected in a row, on a wooden seam on the deck. TOE the line.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2016 03:35 PM
If you are towing a rope (line in naval parlance) "towing a line" would be understood & correct.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2016 03:35 PM
If you are towing a rope (line in naval parlance) "towing a line" would be understood & correct.
Posted by: Tuggy McTugboatface at August 18, 2016 05:06 PM (Bllk5)
867
Trump has lost weight. He's looking good. He is more even tempered. He's in it to win it.
And plenty of fire in the belly. Romney and McCain had ZERO.
Seriously. Stop with the loser talk.
And plenty of fire in the belly. Romney and McCain had ZERO.
Seriously. Stop with the loser talk.
Posted by: FredB at August 18, 2016 05:06 PM (c5sfq)
868
Can't wait for a few bombs to get dropped on Hillary's deck.
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2016 05:04 PM
Please have some commiseration for the decks she's bombing ...
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2016 05:04 PM
Please have some commiseration for the decks she's bombing ...
Posted by: Hillary's Depends at August 18, 2016 05:09 PM (Bllk5)
Posted by: happyfeet at August 18, 2016 05:10 PM (mLfQi)
870
858
Well said.
Thanks I , and I think others, needed that.
We are at the cowards' hour(i.e. darkest before dawn) and it could be argued that the rational move is to duck----just at the moment that standing up will turn the tide of battle.
Again, thanks.
Well said.
Thanks I , and I think others, needed that.
We are at the cowards' hour(i.e. darkest before dawn) and it could be argued that the rational move is to duck----just at the moment that standing up will turn the tide of battle.
Again, thanks.
Posted by: DJT dick-punched my baby at August 18, 2016 05:11 PM (AV4JD)
871
It ain't over 'til it's over.
Posted by: zombie Yogi Berra at August 18, 2016 05:11 PM (Bllk5)
872
Folks, we're Americans, not pussies. As Hillary the Great once said, "At this point, what difference does it make?" The die is case.
IMO this is an unexpected opportunity along BRXIT lines, in an election that would otherwise decide if we lose most of our Bill of Rights in the next 4 years or 8-12 years later under the usual GOPe set. But regardless, it is what it is.
Have faith and hope and work for a win. In my case, I'm getting back on Facebook. I was tired of the leftist meme jerks and wanted to preserve a few friendships. Screw that. This is war and casualties are inevitable in war.
Time to be our own (but unpaid) trolls. You know how they operate. Raise concern, raise doubt, influence the weak minded. Discourage them. I would do more on the actual ground, but living in Illinois the only question is by how many points Hillary carries the state. I will send some money though.
If Hillary is going to win they you, me, us... go out on our feet like Americans and not on our knees like some European cheese eater.
IMO this is an unexpected opportunity along BRXIT lines, in an election that would otherwise decide if we lose most of our Bill of Rights in the next 4 years or 8-12 years later under the usual GOPe set. But regardless, it is what it is.
Have faith and hope and work for a win. In my case, I'm getting back on Facebook. I was tired of the leftist meme jerks and wanted to preserve a few friendships. Screw that. This is war and casualties are inevitable in war.
Time to be our own (but unpaid) trolls. You know how they operate. Raise concern, raise doubt, influence the weak minded. Discourage them. I would do more on the actual ground, but living in Illinois the only question is by how many points Hillary carries the state. I will send some money though.
If Hillary is going to win they you, me, us... go out on our feet like Americans and not on our knees like some European cheese eater.
Posted by: Keith at August 18, 2016 05:15 PM (nFB1w)
873
"Nah, keep your chin up, keep on keepin on. What's this loser talk of losers? STAND. THE. FUCK. UP."
I know he makes a willow wisp look like a f'in redwood tree in comparison.
He constantly falls for the psy-ops and the hand wringers jump on board.
The rest of the populous doesn't hang out in this loser echo chamber.
I know he makes a willow wisp look like a f'in redwood tree in comparison.
He constantly falls for the psy-ops and the hand wringers jump on board.
The rest of the populous doesn't hang out in this loser echo chamber.
Posted by: Fuq the media at August 18, 2016 05:15 PM (syAr3)
874
I agree with "4" Ace go FUCK YOURSELF !!BAN AWAY LOSER....
Posted by: marine43 at August 18, 2016 05:16 PM (/Y6iD)
875
Change Your name to Glenn Beck Ace...
Posted by: marine43 at August 18, 2016 05:18 PM (/Y6iD)
Posted by: Kilroynius at August 18, 2016 05:23 PM (Bllk5)
877
Who wants to die like a dog because they chose not to fight like a man?
Posted by: KhanCzerntrahl at August 18, 2016 05:24 PM (/tR3J)
878
....to agitate for them to political persecution by the fully empowered Clinton-Media Complex ...Death Star!
Does AlextheChick gets to go looking for General Knobe?
Does AlextheChick gets to go looking for General Knobe?
Posted by: Paladin at August 18, 2016 05:25 PM (YNPwP)
879
Does AlextheChick gets to go looking for General Knobe?
Isn't the R2D2 replacement role already taken?
(g,d, & r)
Isn't the R2D2 replacement role already taken?
(g,d, & r)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 18, 2016 05:30 PM (Bllk5)
880
I'm still missing why you aren't going Libertarian that so many of us have. The GOP is dead as a doornail. They left us behind long ago. Time for someone new. People like you could push the extra couple of percent to get him into the debates, and then everything changes. He'd be the only adult on that stage, and it'd be watched by millions of those low-info voters who have no idea who or what he is right now.
Posted by: Mr. Dark at August 18, 2016 05:32 PM (GELoP)
881
Seriously, your hope lies in winning & power, huh? between Pyrrhic victories and meaningless victories we haven't had a real conservative since probably Reagan, and now is the time you stand down? MY whole lifetime has gone by,
I see no need to despair now. I stand, I state, I suffer. This is, and has always been political life. How can it be otherwise for the grounded citizen?
I see no need to despair now. I stand, I state, I suffer. This is, and has always been political life. How can it be otherwise for the grounded citizen?
Posted by: Michael at August 18, 2016 05:34 PM (tUNKV)
882
There's a real chance to upset the applecart. Was it going to be easy with that many rotten apples holding it down?
There's lots of time left, most years the conventions aren't even over yet. Lots of time for the really good emails.
Many polls and stories have been set to say its all over, Hillary is inevitable, just like they tried with Bernie and see how that blew up in their face.
There's US Attorney in Ney York who smells Clinton blood in the water on the foundation.
Trump has to just be minimally acceptable. Tall order but he just has to keep doing what he's been doing the last few days.
There's lots of time left, most years the conventions aren't even over yet. Lots of time for the really good emails.
Many polls and stories have been set to say its all over, Hillary is inevitable, just like they tried with Bernie and see how that blew up in their face.
There's US Attorney in Ney York who smells Clinton blood in the water on the foundation.
Trump has to just be minimally acceptable. Tall order but he just has to keep doing what he's been doing the last few days.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 18, 2016 05:35 PM (QdAXQ)
883
P.S. No one knows how this ends, the two competing gambits are increasingly precarious.
Posted by: Michael at August 18, 2016 05:37 PM (tUNKV)
884
Would the Russians, aka Putin, use Trump to crush Soros?
Posted by: CTR at August 18, 2016 05:38 PM (7wyDO)
885
That's why I registered as an independent. I might need some medical treatment someday.
Posted by: YEp at August 18, 2016 05:39 PM (qgJK7)
886
Sad!
The polls were right once out of 10000 times and now all of a sudden all poll are right?
what about the 99.9999% they under count Republicans?
And seriously you can't call it now. Any prediction is clickbait
Yep they nailed one right in 2012. You need to ask why. And why? Two parts: Romney was vague stood for nothing. I can't remember one thing he said but 47%. And to the LIV Obama is likeable.
Fundamentals are totally different. Trump is memorable and Hillary is not liked. Not by the LIV. Not by her own party.
The polls were right once out of 10000 times and now all of a sudden all poll are right?
what about the 99.9999% they under count Republicans?
And seriously you can't call it now. Any prediction is clickbait
Yep they nailed one right in 2012. You need to ask why. And why? Two parts: Romney was vague stood for nothing. I can't remember one thing he said but 47%. And to the LIV Obama is likeable.
Fundamentals are totally different. Trump is memorable and Hillary is not liked. Not by the LIV. Not by her own party.
Posted by: LAST WEEK'S NEWS TODAY at August 18, 2016 05:41 PM (svFmG)
887
Oh then you believe that Trump is tied in Iowa? Good.
Oh then you believe that Trump is tied in Iowa? Good.
Posted by: Mister Magoo's at August 18, 2016 05:44 PM (c1VyR)
888
PS You big dummies, have you seen Hillary, propped up with pillows, only let out once every 4 days. The karma of everything she has done isbreaking her psych, she is toast. She might croak before the debates and if she doesn't she physically cannot handle it.
Posted by: A Mick not drunk at August 18, 2016 05:46 PM (4vYTR)
889
"And if everyone's equally awful, I might as well align myself with the team that's going to be controlling the persecution powers of government for the next 20 years."
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That describes the Spill supporters (and NeverTrumps) right now. They know she's a criminal, they just want in on what's she's got. Hell, if that's the case, they should ask for a Presidential Pardon per vote. 2 for her two terms.
Welcome to The Mob. Now kiss the ring and hope someone doesn't grease ya for not payin' homage to Don Hillary.
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That describes the Spill supporters (and NeverTrumps) right now. They know she's a criminal, they just want in on what's she's got. Hell, if that's the case, they should ask for a Presidential Pardon per vote. 2 for her two terms.
Welcome to The Mob. Now kiss the ring and hope someone doesn't grease ya for not payin' homage to Don Hillary.
Posted by: SaltyDonnie at August 18, 2016 05:47 PM (i6shs)
890
I could never be a Democrat. Ever. I am still hanging on to hope that Hillary will get sick or where all the lies finally catch up and even the media can't cover anymore. Maybe both candidates fall ill and we'll have a Pence Kaine election. I'd actually bet on Pence to win that one.
Posted by: dixiegal88 at August 18, 2016 05:49 PM (n9Dq9)
891
They arent above fixing polls, and clealry have in the past. Remeber raxmussen being consistently 6ish points diff thdn everyone else back in 08? At that time they were trying to make obama look inevitable. Again against Sanders they fluffed the polls tomake hillary seem inevitable all to supress primary support. However it being a general election tight race in their favor probably serves their interests as a best scenario.
I think they have had poll lies blow up in their face in the past. If they just show dem winning by alot i think some of their people lose interest and dont get worked about with conservative fearitude. Where as fear of the leftardia global mommy dictator motivates our people.
I think they have had poll lies blow up in their face in the past. If they just show dem winning by alot i think some of their people lose interest and dont get worked about with conservative fearitude. Where as fear of the leftardia global mommy dictator motivates our people.
Posted by: Shiggz at August 18, 2016 05:51 PM (ur77P)
892
In 08 i learned rasmussen was the only poll to watch and reacting to.
Posted by: Shiggz at August 18, 2016 05:53 PM (ur77P)
893
Scott Brown was losing by 11% a few days before election and he won. Dems suck and they run the media.
Posted by: A Mick not drunk at August 18, 2016 05:53 PM (4vYTR)
894
880
As someone who has voted for every Libertarian presidential candidate since 1988, save the two times Ross Perot was on the ballot, I won't be doing so this year. For some inexplicable reason, Johnson decided to run as a reincarnated dyed in the tweed Rockefeller Republican rather than the Libertarian-lite candidate he was four years ago. There was no national market for that crap in the 1960s and even less today. Likely the Bill Weld influence, but he's already lost me for good. And that's why he is not and will not get to 15%, which lprobably helps, because he'd immediately sink to zero with a repeat CNN town hall type performance.
As someone who has voted for every Libertarian presidential candidate since 1988, save the two times Ross Perot was on the ballot, I won't be doing so this year. For some inexplicable reason, Johnson decided to run as a reincarnated dyed in the tweed Rockefeller Republican rather than the Libertarian-lite candidate he was four years ago. There was no national market for that crap in the 1960s and even less today. Likely the Bill Weld influence, but he's already lost me for good. And that's why he is not and will not get to 15%, which lprobably helps, because he'd immediately sink to zero with a repeat CNN town hall type performance.
Posted by: Desmondo at August 18, 2016 05:58 PM (zsQy2)
895
The Republican party is toast, well on it's way to being as influential as is the Independent, Libertarian, or Green party.
I don't believe this is true. Political parties in the US are like companies - they will rebrand themselves based on the demographics they think they need to win. Remember, the people pointing and shrieking "racist!" belong to a party that was openly racist fifty years ago.
The GOP will probably survive as a party, but they're likely to take a sharp turn to the left in an effort to pick up the Hispanics. Mexicans and Central Americans are not small government types, as a whole, and 25% of the people in the US are either immigrants or children of immigrants.
So the GOP will survive. Will you care? Probably not.
I don't believe this is true. Political parties in the US are like companies - they will rebrand themselves based on the demographics they think they need to win. Remember, the people pointing and shrieking "racist!" belong to a party that was openly racist fifty years ago.
The GOP will probably survive as a party, but they're likely to take a sharp turn to the left in an effort to pick up the Hispanics. Mexicans and Central Americans are not small government types, as a whole, and 25% of the people in the US are either immigrants or children of immigrants.
So the GOP will survive. Will you care? Probably not.
Posted by: Ace's liver at August 18, 2016 06:03 PM (Xuv2G)
896
What happened to raising the black flag and slitting throats?
Where's that fighting spirit?
I guess I'll just hang out at that other blog that does not tolerate whining and defeatism and whose ideals are
Nationalism
Western Civilization
Winning
C'mon!! Who's with me?!
Where's that fighting spirit?
I guess I'll just hang out at that other blog that does not tolerate whining and defeatism and whose ideals are
Nationalism
Western Civilization
Winning
C'mon!! Who's with me?!
Posted by: FredB at August 18, 2016 06:08 PM (c5sfq)
Posted by: Josh Barrow at August 18, 2016 06:09 PM (Oodza)
898
Seriously FredB. A 'winner' like Ace talking down on Trump.
Smh.
Smh.
Posted by: Josh Barrow at August 18, 2016 06:16 PM (Oodza)
899
Will second that the biggest unknown is the black turnout. Dems are spooked about this as well.
Trump best strat is still targetting blacks. They arent spooked about "walls" etc like white lefties in the contrary they welcome it. Not enough to vote republican but enough to not vote dem. Thats why we are meeting a new trayvon every week. That worked for obama but that they keep throwing spaghetti at the wall with new stories means they arent sure either.
Trump best strat is still targetting blacks. They arent spooked about "walls" etc like white lefties in the contrary they welcome it. Not enough to vote republican but enough to not vote dem. Thats why we are meeting a new trayvon every week. That worked for obama but that they keep throwing spaghetti at the wall with new stories means they arent sure either.
Posted by: Shiggz at August 18, 2016 06:17 PM (ur77P)
900
The biggest problem with Trump diehards is that they seem to lack knowledge of politics and elections. Someone said Dukakis was ahead at this point and that could not be more wrong. Dukakis held a big lead until Bush gave the speech of his life at the 1988 RNC and took a commanding lead after. Dukakis never led again and it was just a matter how big a landslide the election would be.
The same thing is happening this year. Hillary took a commanding lead and her margin of victory is the only remaining question.
The same thing is happening this year. Hillary took a commanding lead and her margin of victory is the only remaining question.
Posted by: Warriors1965 at August 18, 2016 06:22 PM (1x1rL)
901
Ace, although Trump was not my primary pick (Cruz). I came to find I was extremely disappointed with Cruz's 'smallness'. The more I've 'investigated' Trump, the more I see he is a better man than any current politician I've met, and I've met and dealt with quite a few (basically because he clearly loves 'America' more than any politician in the DC complex). I believe he will make a good President. That said, if he loses, I will never vote for another fricking Republican ever again. Not for local dog catcher, not for county committee person, not for state legislature, simply NEVER AGAIN. I will switch to independent party affiliation and do what I can to survive. But in the meantime, I will go 'full force' in trying to elect DJT, as the alternative is a Country I will no longer recognize and will pray for all American's younger than myself. I still believe he has an outstanding chance at a landslide victory.
Posted by: TheFoundersParty at August 18, 2016 06:22 PM (QAVtQ)
902
890 sounds good to me.
Posted by: Arkansas Yankee (Never Ever Crooked, Nagging, Lying, Vindictive, Security Risk Hillary) at August 18, 2016 06:26 PM (Je4OY)
903
Being a Republican has always been an uphill struggle. They have never held the reins of power for very long. They have spent much of the last 100 years out of power.
Democrats have a long track record of winning elections, retaining and using power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Presidents_and_control_of_Congress
Democrats have a long track record of winning elections, retaining and using power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Presidents_and_control_of_Congress
Posted by: wodun at August 18, 2016 06:32 PM (MnbWw)
904
Ace is absolutely correct. DC GOP make the Washington Generals look like a worth competitor. McCain and Romney crowd do not actually care about any sort of policy that the base wants. They just want their seats at the table. I am with Ace. If Trump loses, I am only excited about destroying what is left of what is called the GOP. Trump is getting the full onslaught that the media does in presidential elections. Again, the GOP suckers fall for it showing how they are better than Trump. Right, and Romney had gaffes, and no one cared about Reverend Wright, so do not bring it up. Just because the DC GOP's friends at the bar say it is not a good strategy does not mean it cannot win elections. Look, Trump is very flawed for sure, but all these stupid tropes would be flying on anyone else..."extreme" "out of control" blah blah blah. Stupid GOP idiots watching the media and Dems spin the ball on their finger. Idiots. I am out after November.
Posted by: MJR at August 18, 2016 06:41 PM (5FfM9)
905
Upbeat posts like this are why I keep coming back to this place
Posted by: Josh Barrow at August 18, 2016 06:44 PM (Oodza)
906
And for what's it's worth, I don't buy into Ace's doom and gloom. Trump is going to win this thing. It won't even be close.
Hillary may be up in the polls but she has very little enthusiasm behind her. Trump packs them in by the thousands while she struggles to full hs gyms.
We're going to win and we're going to win big!
Hillary may be up in the polls but she has very little enthusiasm behind her. Trump packs them in by the thousands while she struggles to full hs gyms.
We're going to win and we're going to win big!
Posted by: Josh Barrow at August 18, 2016 06:48 PM (Oodza)
907
RE: Anti-Trump Media
Monitoring the a.m. CBS show. CBS thought it worth the money to send Charlie D'Agata to Ukraine to investigate whether Manafort got paid $400K for some campaign advice. It was a check the box report using the words anonymous, criminal, denied, sources say, dictator, etc.
Any word about Hillary's schemes? Here they would not be dealing with a candidates campaign manager or whatever, but the candidate herself? Not a finger lifted. Unwilling to stick their toes in the corrupt and fetid stew of the Clinton Foundation. Uranium deal? Yawn. Etc. Etc.
Monitoring the a.m. CBS show. CBS thought it worth the money to send Charlie D'Agata to Ukraine to investigate whether Manafort got paid $400K for some campaign advice. It was a check the box report using the words anonymous, criminal, denied, sources say, dictator, etc.
Any word about Hillary's schemes? Here they would not be dealing with a candidates campaign manager or whatever, but the candidate herself? Not a finger lifted. Unwilling to stick their toes in the corrupt and fetid stew of the Clinton Foundation. Uranium deal? Yawn. Etc. Etc.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at August 18, 2016 06:49 PM (hKi6n)
908
I'm with Trump, unless he has gotten around to mocking the uncircumcised, in which case I'm totally against Trump and I will do everything in my power to ensure he loses the election, whenever that is.
Posted by: Independent Foreskin at August 18, 2016 06:57 PM (Jh20h)
909
54 Ace:
"Yes, I believe today's polls."
What polls are you referring to?
The new Rasmussen poll from today that shows the race statistically tied, within the margin of error?:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch
Hillary 41%
Trump 39%
Or the LA Times poll from today showing the race exactly tied?
Hillary 42%
Trump 42%
Or are you referring to other polls where he's further behind?
You essay would make more sense if we knew whether you were referring to the good-for-Trump polls or the bad-for-Trump polls.
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (jBuUi)
---------
Don't be purposefully dense. It's unbecoming.
If the "good" polls for Trump show a tie, and the bad ones show him losing battleground states by double digits, then you get the point. He shouldn't have to point to specific polls when you can look at the general landscape and see someone clearly winning and someone clearly losing.
"Yes, I believe today's polls."
What polls are you referring to?
The new Rasmussen poll from today that shows the race statistically tied, within the margin of error?:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch
Hillary 41%
Trump 39%
Or the LA Times poll from today showing the race exactly tied?
Hillary 42%
Trump 42%
Or are you referring to other polls where he's further behind?
You essay would make more sense if we knew whether you were referring to the good-for-Trump polls or the bad-for-Trump polls.
Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2016 02:23 PM (jBuUi)
---------
Don't be purposefully dense. It's unbecoming.
If the "good" polls for Trump show a tie, and the bad ones show him losing battleground states by double digits, then you get the point. He shouldn't have to point to specific polls when you can look at the general landscape and see someone clearly winning and someone clearly losing.
Posted by: Rich at August 18, 2016 07:04 PM (ygBCA)
910
This is, I think, the most depressing post I've ever read.
Posted by: Miley's Bone Booth at August 18, 2016 07:05 PM (NTqvt)
911
That's Ace goal. To depress turn out. That way if Trump loses (not going to happen) he can said 'told you so'
Why else would he quote famous never trumper and bushie Dana perino?
As if, Dana Perino would be enthusiastic for Trump? Lol!
Why else would he quote famous never trumper and bushie Dana perino?
As if, Dana Perino would be enthusiastic for Trump? Lol!
Posted by: Josh Barrow at August 18, 2016 07:12 PM (Oodza)
912
It should not be allowed to post idiotic drivel about rallies and crowd size. In 2012, Obama spoke to half empty arenas while Romney/Ryan packed them in.
Forward to November 2012 and Obama wins in a landslide. Trump diehards cannot be this stupid to rely on crowd size and "unskew the polls" BS.
Forward to November 2012 and Obama wins in a landslide. Trump diehards cannot be this stupid to rely on crowd size and "unskew the polls" BS.
Posted by: Warriors1965 at August 18, 2016 07:19 PM (1x1rL)
913
Ha! Romney, save for a late Pennsylvania rally was NOT packing them in like Trump is.
Posted by: Josh Barrow at August 18, 2016 07:23 PM (Oodza)
914
Does the smart set here really believe that Hillary will equal Obama's 2012 turnout levels??
Posted by: Josh Barrow at August 18, 2016 07:24 PM (Oodza)
915
Or that Trump won't exceed Romney's vote totals?
Posted by: Josh Barrow at August 18, 2016 07:25 PM (Oodza)
916
900
I am a Trump Die -hard and I guarantee I know politicsa better than you and your entire family combined.
People like you who bash on people who don't share your views makes you look so small and weak. You are part of the problem in this country. People like you is why we are where we are. Like a typical liberal you can't handle when not everyone thinks exactly like you do so your only defense/argument is to call them stupid. You are a child.
I am a Trump Die -hard and I guarantee I know politicsa better than you and your entire family combined.
People like you who bash on people who don't share your views makes you look so small and weak. You are part of the problem in this country. People like you is why we are where we are. Like a typical liberal you can't handle when not everyone thinks exactly like you do so your only defense/argument is to call them stupid. You are a child.
Posted by: Deno1 at August 18, 2016 07:34 PM (HxYMT)
917
This is the fight we fight every frigging election. Our government has been taken over by special interests. They have created leviathan. We are all serfs because there and tens of thousands of pages of regulations we can't possible know or understand. We are serfs because the IRS tax code is 70,000 pages. We are serfs because the DA decides who to go after based on voting blocks. The fight is not to get republicans elected; it's to get conservatives elected. People actually committed to that novel notion that the government's job, its only job, is to protect our rights, property and life. Everything it does beyond that is corruption.
Posted by: IanDeal at August 18, 2016 08:12 PM (teGBX)
918
This is as good a definition of cowardice as I have ever seen:
"There's a huge social penalty to be paid for being a Republican or
conservative: And if this gang of losers is just determined to keep
losing, for the alleged pristine purity of losing gamely in a gallant
effort, then what I'm going to do is declare myself independent, and
claim even to be Democrat leaning, because I will no longer pay the
social price of being a social outcast for the sake of aligning myself
with a group of people who plainly has no interest in actually winning
anything."
You only think you are a social outcast because the media tells you you are. Just like they told us the unions ran manufacturing in America when only 10% of the US work force was unionized. THINK FOR YOURSELF! (hope the caps don't get me banned.....but just couldn't help it)
"There's a huge social penalty to be paid for being a Republican or
conservative: And if this gang of losers is just determined to keep
losing, for the alleged pristine purity of losing gamely in a gallant
effort, then what I'm going to do is declare myself independent, and
claim even to be Democrat leaning, because I will no longer pay the
social price of being a social outcast for the sake of aligning myself
with a group of people who plainly has no interest in actually winning
anything."
You only think you are a social outcast because the media tells you you are. Just like they told us the unions ran manufacturing in America when only 10% of the US work force was unionized. THINK FOR YOURSELF! (hope the caps don't get me banned.....but just couldn't help it)
Posted by: devn at August 18, 2016 08:20 PM (kC+1/)
919
(hope the caps don't get me banned.....but just couldn't help it)
Why not, someone has a short dick to overcompensate for.
Why not, someone has a short dick to overcompensate for.
Posted by: Poor ace. at August 18, 2016 08:51 PM (p8YKk)
920
Quite a screed, Ace. But I think if you work actively for the dems, you're just giving up. Stockholm syndrome style giving up. Why not work for the TEA Party or the libertarians? I get you're mad at the GOP, but let's overthrow them instead of quitting. Imagine Pat and Ben and Thomas, and George all saying, "we'll just work for the king and try to control the damage." But you're the one who has to sleep in that bed you make.
Posted by: BamaBubba at August 18, 2016 08:57 PM (vKTRb)
921
These gems from Samuel Adams are worth repeating to any and all who are disheartened, or thinking of quitting, or sitting this one out. The first wakes you up. The second should shame you into action.
1. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance.
2. If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
1. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance.
2. If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Posted by: FredB at August 18, 2016 08:58 PM (c5sfq)
922
Why wait?
Posted by: JohnJ at August 18, 2016 09:25 PM (mntuw)
923
Just stop, Ace.
For all your talk about uninformed and flighty voters, you sure wet your pants at any sign of adversity. It's hard to fathom someone like yourself, who is intelligent and a keen observer of human nature, to keep getting hamstrung about Trump. There's only a limited number of possible explanations:
1. You're actually scared.
2. You're not scared at all, but your pretending to be to advance a narrative and influence your readers. Psyops - you've done it before.
3. You really, really want to be liked and respected in the intelligentsia and Pundit World. Trump, on some level, is an offense to you because he speaks for normal, everyday people. He doesn't stroke your ego and make you proud. Because he doesn't really represent you. He is less harmful than Hillary to you, maybe. But he doesn't resonate with you, because you don't really understand what he is so upset about.
And if your actually Concerned, your hysterics are completely unnecessary. Trump is going to crush Hillary in this election. It will not be close. He is going to win in a landslide. This will be 1980 and then some.
One of the things I eagerly await is November 9th when it finally dawns on all of the naysayers and political operatives that not only did Trump win, but that all of those working against him will be in the political wilderness for a very long time.
For all your talk about uninformed and flighty voters, you sure wet your pants at any sign of adversity. It's hard to fathom someone like yourself, who is intelligent and a keen observer of human nature, to keep getting hamstrung about Trump. There's only a limited number of possible explanations:
1. You're actually scared.
2. You're not scared at all, but your pretending to be to advance a narrative and influence your readers. Psyops - you've done it before.
3. You really, really want to be liked and respected in the intelligentsia and Pundit World. Trump, on some level, is an offense to you because he speaks for normal, everyday people. He doesn't stroke your ego and make you proud. Because he doesn't really represent you. He is less harmful than Hillary to you, maybe. But he doesn't resonate with you, because you don't really understand what he is so upset about.
And if your actually Concerned, your hysterics are completely unnecessary. Trump is going to crush Hillary in this election. It will not be close. He is going to win in a landslide. This will be 1980 and then some.
One of the things I eagerly await is November 9th when it finally dawns on all of the naysayers and political operatives that not only did Trump win, but that all of those working against him will be in the political wilderness for a very long time.
Posted by: Zodiac Killer at August 18, 2016 09:46 PM (/l+9E)
924
Ace, the last election was the last one that mattered. Your optimism is endearing, but it's already over.
Look for an escape plan, rural retreat in Idaho or create a social bubble where you can be happy as the world collapses around us. Or maybe Uruguay.
Look for an escape plan, rural retreat in Idaho or create a social bubble where you can be happy as the world collapses around us. Or maybe Uruguay.
Posted by: freedom2014despitebarack at August 18, 2016 10:25 PM (cJDvr)
925
"I just don't think I'll be part of it. I think I'll actually be actively working for the Democrats, because if the Elite Geniuses of the GOP think the way to win is by putting Hillary into office to teach the lower-class Trump voters a lesson, they're every inch as much my enemies as Hillary."
I reached this same conclusion almost two years ago. After the GOPe's despicable behavior during Thad Cochran's reelection campaign.
I reached this same conclusion almost two years ago. After the GOPe's despicable behavior during Thad Cochran's reelection campaign.
Posted by: sandbagger at August 18, 2016 10:40 PM (Vzh9u)
926
Ace, that whole stat of the Dems winning the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections is Bullshit. You can't claim that Bill Clinton or Al Gore won the popular when they didn't get over 50%. Bill Clinton won a plurality twice because of Ross Perot, but never got over 50%. And Al Gore vs Bush was basically a tie. They didn't even count the absentee votes in California. That alone probably would have put Bush over the top.
Posted by: rexbatt at August 18, 2016 10:41 PM (woA40)
927
Ace,
God knows I love you and this site... But you need to sack up. This fcuking Country was founded and kept free by men that didn't give up just because there was a target on them. Washington at Trenton. Chamberlin on Little Round Top. McClusky at Midway. They didn't fcuking quit and take their ball home. This is a war. A war no less important than what our founders fought. It may take us picking up arms and killing these fcukers one at a time... But it can be done. Our nation can still be saved from the commies, fags, and criminal deviants of the political class. All it takes is for men to stand up to them. I thought you were a resistor but it turns out you are a joiner. Don't let it be like that.
God knows I love you and this site... But you need to sack up. This fcuking Country was founded and kept free by men that didn't give up just because there was a target on them. Washington at Trenton. Chamberlin on Little Round Top. McClusky at Midway. They didn't fcuking quit and take their ball home. This is a war. A war no less important than what our founders fought. It may take us picking up arms and killing these fcukers one at a time... But it can be done. Our nation can still be saved from the commies, fags, and criminal deviants of the political class. All it takes is for men to stand up to them. I thought you were a resistor but it turns out you are a joiner. Don't let it be like that.
Posted by: Chris at August 18, 2016 10:44 PM (PWDHh)
928
I would have gotten away with depressing turnout and enthusiasm if it wasn't for the unrelenting never say quit trump supporters!
Posted by: Ace: Leader of the Cucks at August 18, 2016 10:51 PM (DEJix)
929
And another thing - what the fuck happened to this blog?!
Ace of Spades HQ has become a den of whiny little shits. Just a bunch of fucking eeyores. Man the fuck up. It's embarrassing.
For those of you that aren't GOP political operatives doing your level best to depress the base, stop being a bunch of sad sacks. Newsflash: the Never Trumpers and their ideas are corrosive. A number of posters here don't give two shits about beating Hillary Clinton - some commenters here are actively trying to undermine people's confidence in the nominee. They can't stand not being in control, even though it's these guys and gals that have done their part to fuck up this country. Ace is either in on that game or he is clueless and melancholy. But he's no dummy, so I think Ace knows exactly what he's doing.
Donald Trump is a fantastic nominee. He is the most talented candidate that many of us have ever seen. He's taking on entrenched interests that many readers here really have no appreciation for. He's a heroic figure beating back massive odds and he is growing stronger and stronger. He has everyday people behind him and is fostering a unity that many of us never thought was possible. Yeah, he is not universally liked, but he has all of the right enemies. He is an actual threat to the thievery and corruption that we are all so used to.
One of the evils that the NeverTrumpers are inflicting on the base is that they are trying to foster a culture of embarrassment and shame about our nominee. It's absolutely disgusting. So many readers actually like Trump, but are afraid to express it publicly because asshole NeverTrumpers (who have no plans to vote for him anyway) speak dismissively and derisively toward any spark of support for him.
May the NeverTrumpers attempts at sabotage and subterfuge be exposed and laid bare for all to see. May they all be cast out of the new Republican party. I look forward to celebrate a sweet victory for this country with a Trump win in November. It will be sweet to see evil defeated on so many fronts, including with those who pretend to be on our side.
Ace of Spades HQ has become a den of whiny little shits. Just a bunch of fucking eeyores. Man the fuck up. It's embarrassing.
For those of you that aren't GOP political operatives doing your level best to depress the base, stop being a bunch of sad sacks. Newsflash: the Never Trumpers and their ideas are corrosive. A number of posters here don't give two shits about beating Hillary Clinton - some commenters here are actively trying to undermine people's confidence in the nominee. They can't stand not being in control, even though it's these guys and gals that have done their part to fuck up this country. Ace is either in on that game or he is clueless and melancholy. But he's no dummy, so I think Ace knows exactly what he's doing.
Donald Trump is a fantastic nominee. He is the most talented candidate that many of us have ever seen. He's taking on entrenched interests that many readers here really have no appreciation for. He's a heroic figure beating back massive odds and he is growing stronger and stronger. He has everyday people behind him and is fostering a unity that many of us never thought was possible. Yeah, he is not universally liked, but he has all of the right enemies. He is an actual threat to the thievery and corruption that we are all so used to.
One of the evils that the NeverTrumpers are inflicting on the base is that they are trying to foster a culture of embarrassment and shame about our nominee. It's absolutely disgusting. So many readers actually like Trump, but are afraid to express it publicly because asshole NeverTrumpers (who have no plans to vote for him anyway) speak dismissively and derisively toward any spark of support for him.
May the NeverTrumpers attempts at sabotage and subterfuge be exposed and laid bare for all to see. May they all be cast out of the new Republican party. I look forward to celebrate a sweet victory for this country with a Trump win in November. It will be sweet to see evil defeated on so many fronts, including with those who pretend to be on our side.
Posted by: Zodiac Killer at August 18, 2016 10:59 PM (/l+9E)
930
I regret not having "checked in" earlier.
Ace makes a number of good points that resonate with me, but the whole "I'll just go be a Democrat", when the Democratic Party has become basically a socialist crime family, makes me wonder if he's just reverting to his Charles Johnson period, and makes about as much sense with that as a self-professed "conservative" saying they'll step back and let Hillary cause severe permanent Leftist damage to the country, by not supporting Trump, because Trump is somehow "just as bad".
Anyway, it looks like there are a lot of really worthwhile comments to read very carefully!
Ace makes a number of good points that resonate with me, but the whole "I'll just go be a Democrat", when the Democratic Party has become basically a socialist crime family, makes me wonder if he's just reverting to his Charles Johnson period, and makes about as much sense with that as a self-professed "conservative" saying they'll step back and let Hillary cause severe permanent Leftist damage to the country, by not supporting Trump, because Trump is somehow "just as bad".
Anyway, it looks like there are a lot of really worthwhile comments to read very carefully!
Posted by: Optimizer at August 18, 2016 11:38 PM (EnK/R)
931
"But they exist. 10%, 15% -- some people are really this dumb. Or "independent," as these idiots like to call themselves."
I'd like to get these guys to Trumps side and keep them there by convincing them that Hillary is a HORRIBLE HUMAN (maybe) BEING.
I'd like to get these guys to Trumps side and keep them there by convincing them that Hillary is a HORRIBLE HUMAN (maybe) BEING.
Posted by: hurricane567 at August 18, 2016 11:58 PM (XBzHa)
932
First of all, Dana's Establishment GOP, so why the hell would anybody listen to her? She's part of the crowd that's been WRONG at every turn, and it gives them a cheap "told you so" thrill to see him losing (if he really even is). You gotta love the sad, "Sorry, I'm just telling you how I see it" act, though!
It's remarkable to see these clowns pat themselves on the back with that when it's OBVIOUS that if Jeb!, for example, were running, the media would simply leave him alone - he's the guy who was SO unbelievably LAME that $100M in ads did NOTHING for him, even though he had a good (great?) record as governor in FL. The media would know he was McCain/Romney all over again - no real problem, as he declined to "hit a girl".
About the 2012 polls. What I remember about it is:
1) No matter how the data came in, all the polls were jiggered - in DIFFERENT WAYS - so that Obama came out slightly ahead, no matter what.
2) The polls are all about how the pollsters take a relatively modest sample, of about 1000, sub-divide it down into even SMALLER sub-groups, and then weight THOSE results according to a GUESS as to what the actual voter turnout will be. Statistically, if the 1000 were a completely random sample legitimately taken from among the exact population of people who eventually actually vote, it would give you the published accuracy. But it's not, and it's sub-divided and re-weighted as I said, so it's BAD.
3) After Obama was declared the winner, all the ignorant schucks in the media declared, "the polls were right"! I call "bukkshit!" In fact, in one segment of recent reporting, they outlined how many pollsters have simply GIVEN UP on even TRYING to do it.
4) In the end, Obama either had a last-minute "bump" of a few percentage points, or he was able to orchestrate that level of voter fraud. Take your pick.
5) Trump overperformed vs polls in the primaries. The media-cultural complex has succeeded in demonizing him to the point that people will vote for him if they know nobody will know, but will not 'fess up to it when an actual human calls them up and asks.
It's remarkable to see these clowns pat themselves on the back with that when it's OBVIOUS that if Jeb!, for example, were running, the media would simply leave him alone - he's the guy who was SO unbelievably LAME that $100M in ads did NOTHING for him, even though he had a good (great?) record as governor in FL. The media would know he was McCain/Romney all over again - no real problem, as he declined to "hit a girl".
About the 2012 polls. What I remember about it is:
1) No matter how the data came in, all the polls were jiggered - in DIFFERENT WAYS - so that Obama came out slightly ahead, no matter what.
2) The polls are all about how the pollsters take a relatively modest sample, of about 1000, sub-divide it down into even SMALLER sub-groups, and then weight THOSE results according to a GUESS as to what the actual voter turnout will be. Statistically, if the 1000 were a completely random sample legitimately taken from among the exact population of people who eventually actually vote, it would give you the published accuracy. But it's not, and it's sub-divided and re-weighted as I said, so it's BAD.
3) After Obama was declared the winner, all the ignorant schucks in the media declared, "the polls were right"! I call "bukkshit!" In fact, in one segment of recent reporting, they outlined how many pollsters have simply GIVEN UP on even TRYING to do it.
4) In the end, Obama either had a last-minute "bump" of a few percentage points, or he was able to orchestrate that level of voter fraud. Take your pick.
5) Trump overperformed vs polls in the primaries. The media-cultural complex has succeeded in demonizing him to the point that people will vote for him if they know nobody will know, but will not 'fess up to it when an actual human calls them up and asks.
Posted by: Optimizer at August 18, 2016 11:59 PM (EnK/R)
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Ace, Dana and all the rest who think like them, all I can say is THANK GOD you were not around during World War II. I can imagine the following:
1. Britain is all alone. They cannot win.
2. Russia is getting crushed. They cannot win.
3. My God! Pearl Harbor has been bombed! We can't beat Japan!
4. Daylight bombing over Europe is too tough. We can't do that.
5. D-Day looks impossible. We can't do that.
6. Bastogne is surrounded. Let's surrender.
Clint Eastwood was right. This is a pussy generation and Ace, Dana and many others like them are examples.
Now you can either lie on your bed, curled up in the fetal position, crying while watching scrambled porn on cable television...OR you can go out there and fight to save America. Trump is fighting, so why not you?
1. Britain is all alone. They cannot win.
2. Russia is getting crushed. They cannot win.
3. My God! Pearl Harbor has been bombed! We can't beat Japan!
4. Daylight bombing over Europe is too tough. We can't do that.
5. D-Day looks impossible. We can't do that.
6. Bastogne is surrounded. Let's surrender.
Clint Eastwood was right. This is a pussy generation and Ace, Dana and many others like them are examples.
Now you can either lie on your bed, curled up in the fetal position, crying while watching scrambled porn on cable television...OR you can go out there and fight to save America. Trump is fighting, so why not you?
Posted by: Spudskie at August 19, 2016 12:15 AM (cID/9)
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The key is turnout. Enthusiasm for Hillary is low, for Trump it is high. High Republican turnout will deliver the election to Trump. Low Republican Turnout makes Hillary the next POTUS.
Posted by: White Male College Grad Right Handed Handsome Tall Executive at August 19, 2016 12:22 AM (wN82N)
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@931 "But they exist. 10%, 15% -- some people are really this dumb. Or "independent," as these idiots like to call themselves."
I'd like to get these guys to Trumps side and keep them there by convincing them that Hillary is a HORRIBLE HUMAN (maybe) BEING.
Posted by: hurricane567 at August 18, 2016 11:58 PM (XBzHa)
Exactly, and that's undoubtedly the plan! Trump isn't about to piss away shitloads of money for nothing, and they apparently think that the people who are NOT political junkies are (mostly) not paying attention yet.
The opportunities for Trump to grab HUGE chunks of these voters, and (dare I say) shame a good number of Hillary voters to go 3rd party of just stay home, are too numerous to count.
Imagine countless commercials - on all types of media (and Trump ought to have access to people who REALLY know what they're doing with that) - with crying women. All kinds of crying women, TAKE YOUR PICK! The woman raped by the guy Hillary laughed about virtually getting off. The women who Hillary worked to destroy after they reported being assaulted by Bill. The moms Hillary lied to about their sons in Benghazi, who she called liars later. The moms or wives of people killed by illegal aliens or militant Islamists.
Trump's new campaign manager not only IS a woman, but knows how to work women.
Imagine the 100 different one-liners that Trump could use to take down Hillary in debates. Imagine if she so much as COUGHS during one, much less faints.
Imagine all the commercials showing video of her lying, lying, and lying again, INCLUDING the lies that she personally used to help get Obama get re-elected last time regarding Benghazi. For a war that even liberals consider illegal, so she could make money for Sid Blumenthal, her own people being killed because she not only refused to protect them, but because she armed the terrorists who killed them (the survivors were saved by Khadafi's people!)
Then there's the "October surprises" - WikiLeaks has actually PROMISED some! The intelligence community is a bunch of commies, but even THEY value their lives, and want to see her go down - there could be even more leaks than just the ones Wikileaks has.
Trump has learned the hard way how the media has changed toward him after his nomination, and is adjusting. He's putting together a Dream Team, and has a winning message, while everybody knows Hillary's a lying, corrupt crook (and some people actually CARE) who doesn't care about National Security.
She actually DOES have the problem that they said HE had in the primaries, BTW. She has a "ceiling" of people who will vote for her no matter what, even though she knows she'll just lie to them and rob the country blind. Hell, even some of THEM are lying!
So, NO, it's not over, as much as the media elites want to pronounce it as so. I've noticed definite similarities to Truman and he was treated similarly by the media. I have lost my confidence in Americans to act like Americans, but Trump is a winner, and isn't about to sit down and lose this one.
I'd like to get these guys to Trumps side and keep them there by convincing them that Hillary is a HORRIBLE HUMAN (maybe) BEING.
Posted by: hurricane567 at August 18, 2016 11:58 PM (XBzHa)
Exactly, and that's undoubtedly the plan! Trump isn't about to piss away shitloads of money for nothing, and they apparently think that the people who are NOT political junkies are (mostly) not paying attention yet.
The opportunities for Trump to grab HUGE chunks of these voters, and (dare I say) shame a good number of Hillary voters to go 3rd party of just stay home, are too numerous to count.
Imagine countless commercials - on all types of media (and Trump ought to have access to people who REALLY know what they're doing with that) - with crying women. All kinds of crying women, TAKE YOUR PICK! The woman raped by the guy Hillary laughed about virtually getting off. The women who Hillary worked to destroy after they reported being assaulted by Bill. The moms Hillary lied to about their sons in Benghazi, who she called liars later. The moms or wives of people killed by illegal aliens or militant Islamists.
Trump's new campaign manager not only IS a woman, but knows how to work women.
Imagine the 100 different one-liners that Trump could use to take down Hillary in debates. Imagine if she so much as COUGHS during one, much less faints.
Imagine all the commercials showing video of her lying, lying, and lying again, INCLUDING the lies that she personally used to help get Obama get re-elected last time regarding Benghazi. For a war that even liberals consider illegal, so she could make money for Sid Blumenthal, her own people being killed because she not only refused to protect them, but because she armed the terrorists who killed them (the survivors were saved by Khadafi's people!)
Then there's the "October surprises" - WikiLeaks has actually PROMISED some! The intelligence community is a bunch of commies, but even THEY value their lives, and want to see her go down - there could be even more leaks than just the ones Wikileaks has.
Trump has learned the hard way how the media has changed toward him after his nomination, and is adjusting. He's putting together a Dream Team, and has a winning message, while everybody knows Hillary's a lying, corrupt crook (and some people actually CARE) who doesn't care about National Security.
She actually DOES have the problem that they said HE had in the primaries, BTW. She has a "ceiling" of people who will vote for her no matter what, even though she knows she'll just lie to them and rob the country blind. Hell, even some of THEM are lying!
So, NO, it's not over, as much as the media elites want to pronounce it as so. I've noticed definite similarities to Truman and he was treated similarly by the media. I have lost my confidence in Americans to act like Americans, but Trump is a winner, and isn't about to sit down and lose this one.
Posted by: Optimizer at August 19, 2016 12:27 AM (EnK/R)
936
http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2016/01/25/buy-ammo-n2109112
Pick up a rifle. If you live in a place where a militarily appropriate rifle is illegal, move.
Pick up a rifle. If you live in a place where a militarily appropriate rifle is illegal, move.
Posted by: Hillary's left Testicle at August 19, 2016 01:47 AM (NplB/)
937
20 years try for the next 100. This nation is done if that hag wins. The debt, judges and the Democrat voting drive via illegal immigration will render a checkmate.
Posted by: Africanis at August 19, 2016 03:38 AM (+2Gki)
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If you take the last 10 days of national polls Hillary is only up 4.4% in RCP avg. At an avg MOE of 2% that is basically a toss up. I don't follow polls and I don't use them to make my voting decisions but for those that do and think that polls post 2000 FL recount is the same as polls pre-2000 recount and that the media is the same and people are acting the same then the polls show that the Race has tightened by about 4 pts in the last 10 days.
Take what you will from those facts. 4 pts 90 days out is nothing. All this Trump can't win at this point just sounds like people that have watched too much media and have accepted the media narrative as fact. Hell Hillary can't even campaign for the full week. there is zero evidence for support for Hillary except the polls. Her own campaign came out the other day and admitted that their fund raising is below normal. They are pulling ads from key battleground states (they say because they won) but then the next day say how the funding is drying up. Remember they lie about everything you think they are going to say the real reason they are pulling ads? Hillary has little social media numbers unlike Obama No one shows up to hear her speak, She has an active revolt from Sanders people in her own party that makes the PUMA and nevertrumpers people look like lightweights. I know the media focus is on the "problems" in the Trump campaign but Hillary has major issues in her own that aren't being discussed. This race is far from over and the biggest problem for Hillary is how does she get people out to vote for her if they don't like her. What is the incentive for a massive black turnout? BLM? What is going to get Latinos out on election day? LGBTQ isn't going to show up to vote for bathroom issues. the only tool she has at the moment is to make people afraid of Trump winning and while fear does drive some elections like goldwater's I haven't seen fear win many in the last 40 years. If it did then the nevertrumpers would be voting for Trump. they should be afraid of Clinton and many are but they still aren't voting for Trump. Fear does not win elections and it does not drive people to the polls. Hope and change drives people to the polls and Hillary is offering no hope and no change. Trump is. It is very likely that turnout of the bases will win this election and in that area Trump wins. Who knows 5 minutes is a live time in politics and we have 80 odd days to go. I will get worried if its a week before and Trump is on vacation.
Take what you will from those facts. 4 pts 90 days out is nothing. All this Trump can't win at this point just sounds like people that have watched too much media and have accepted the media narrative as fact. Hell Hillary can't even campaign for the full week. there is zero evidence for support for Hillary except the polls. Her own campaign came out the other day and admitted that their fund raising is below normal. They are pulling ads from key battleground states (they say because they won) but then the next day say how the funding is drying up. Remember they lie about everything you think they are going to say the real reason they are pulling ads? Hillary has little social media numbers unlike Obama No one shows up to hear her speak, She has an active revolt from Sanders people in her own party that makes the PUMA and nevertrumpers people look like lightweights. I know the media focus is on the "problems" in the Trump campaign but Hillary has major issues in her own that aren't being discussed. This race is far from over and the biggest problem for Hillary is how does she get people out to vote for her if they don't like her. What is the incentive for a massive black turnout? BLM? What is going to get Latinos out on election day? LGBTQ isn't going to show up to vote for bathroom issues. the only tool she has at the moment is to make people afraid of Trump winning and while fear does drive some elections like goldwater's I haven't seen fear win many in the last 40 years. If it did then the nevertrumpers would be voting for Trump. they should be afraid of Clinton and many are but they still aren't voting for Trump. Fear does not win elections and it does not drive people to the polls. Hope and change drives people to the polls and Hillary is offering no hope and no change. Trump is. It is very likely that turnout of the bases will win this election and in that area Trump wins. Who knows 5 minutes is a live time in politics and we have 80 odd days to go. I will get worried if its a week before and Trump is on vacation.
Posted by: unseen at August 19, 2016 04:08 AM (6ez2Z)
939
good poi t and worth repeating. Lets look at how obama ridiculd her.
"Your likeable enough Hillar
647 Every time I start thinking the Democrats are bulletproof, I recall 'Yeeaaaaargh!'. I recall the Weiner pics.
Ridicule is their greatest weapon. It's also their kryptonite. Reagan demolished Mondale to 49-1 with one frickin' joke. Even he laughed!
If Trump can establish amused mastery against Shrillary it's in the bag. He'll destroy her female support.
Posted by: esch's itchy feet at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (hliil
"Your likeable enough Hillar
647 Every time I start thinking the Democrats are bulletproof, I recall 'Yeeaaaaargh!'. I recall the Weiner pics.
Ridicule is their greatest weapon. It's also their kryptonite. Reagan demolished Mondale to 49-1 with one frickin' joke. Even he laughed!
If Trump can establish amused mastery against Shrillary it's in the bag. He'll destroy her female support.
Posted by: esch's itchy feet at August 18, 2016 03:54 PM (hliil
Posted by: Shiggz at August 19, 2016 08:17 AM (G7wcY)
940
Nice tantrum. Lots of words just to say nothing. I think American people will surprise, again, unexpectedly, in November. Simmer down. It will be OK.
Posted by: john at August 19, 2016 11:15 AM (FC7oc)
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Ace, you are pretty much where I was on Super Tuesday. I never thought Trump had a chance to beat Hillary. I ready to blow up the GOP and start one or more new parties, but doing so will just entrench the Democrats as the party in power, but maybe if they are only party left, and without the GOP to rally against, they will naturally split into two parties and we can just start over with two economic central planning parties. Of course, that is what will if the GOP survives with Trump as its leader, so it all economic central planning all the time either way.
Posted by: Asquared at August 19, 2016 12:40 PM (CoTo2)
942
Conservatism isn't dead. It's just that over the last 20 years we assumed there were more of us than there actually are. And why should we be surprised by that? The conservative message is, at heart, to take away the government freebies. America is addicted to social security, medicare, unemployment payments... the list is endless. So, yeah. Trump won the GOP nomination by promising an even bigger government, but in the end, he was always doomed to flail.
The thing is, conservatives were first conned by Big Gov't George in 2000. As a result, social conservatism overtook true conservatism and the GOP was firmly returned to the Big Gov't types that ran the joint before 1980. Same of us never fell into that vat of kool-aid, just as we haven't been dumped into the current orange colored batch. We'll bide our time. And we will be back.
But being whiney little whores pissed because an orangutan can't beat a whiney little whore is simply showing that, in the end, the only thing you care about is the game. Especially since the only difference between the whiney whore and the orangutan is what letter they put after their name.
The thing is, conservatives were first conned by Big Gov't George in 2000. As a result, social conservatism overtook true conservatism and the GOP was firmly returned to the Big Gov't types that ran the joint before 1980. Same of us never fell into that vat of kool-aid, just as we haven't been dumped into the current orange colored batch. We'll bide our time. And we will be back.
But being whiney little whores pissed because an orangutan can't beat a whiney little whore is simply showing that, in the end, the only thing you care about is the game. Especially since the only difference between the whiney whore and the orangutan is what letter they put after their name.
Posted by: Air Farce One at August 19, 2016 12:52 PM (IFDE7)
943
I take it you got new marching orders?
Posted by: unknown jane at August 19, 2016 12:53 PM (he31R)
944
Real nice. This is why I can rarely stand to come here anymore. And, just for the record, I firmly believe that Donald J. Trump would be one of the greatest presidents we've ever had.
Posted by: Peaches at August 19, 2016 01:45 PM (EgOr3)
945
We could have had Rubio and won this race in a romp. Hell, we could have had Cruz and at least won by a few points, but noooooo...y'all had to pick the single biggest turd that could have possibly been nominated. So here we are, writing Drump's post mortem before his heart has even stopped beating. It ain't gonna be pretty folks.
Posted by: Steve-O at August 19, 2016 11:19 PM (/txTE)
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Ace don't ever stop writing
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