Republican-Controlled House Schedules Vote on Gun Control Measure For Next Week

This is why I laugh at people who say things like "I can't vote for Trump; I'm a principled conservative.".

The House will vote on a counter-terrorism package that will include a provision to prevent suspected terrorists from buying guns, Speaker Paul D. Ryan, R-Wis., told Republicans on a conference call Thursday, according to a source on the call.
The House, when it returns next week from its July 4 recess, will also vote on a mental health bill , sponsored by Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Tim Murphy, Ryan told his House colleagues.
...
On the call, Ryan said it common sense that suspects on terror watch lists not be able to buy guns, but he wants to be sure that any provision protects due process for people who may mistakenly be added to such lists.

Now in theory, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a bill that blocks suspected terrorists from buying guns -- so long as there are strong due process safeguards, and that people have the right to challenge the finding and have a lawyer paid for by the state. (You shouldn't go bankrupt trying to get your name off a list you were added to with no due process standards, other than a bureaucrat's say-so.)

But of course the Democrats would never agree to any true safeguards -- their strategy is to always demand more than Republicans will/can give. It is a key election strategy that they not have any law the Republicans buy into. they want the election issue. They don't give a shit if terrorists have guns or not. They want to win the House, and they'll murder American citizens with their own hands for a better chance at that.

They really just want something else to point at when Republicans bring up their miserable record on combating terrorism. Oh, I mean combating violent extremism and/or man-made disasters.

And meanwhile, the Republicans will keep chasing the Democrats -- watering down procedural protections until they vanish altogether.

The Democrats either want no law or at all, or a complete surrender by the Republicans which will demoralize GOP voters while showing Democrat voters that Democrats can show they're "tough" enough to burn the Constitution in their quest for power.

I just can't see the Republicans doing anything here but embarrassing themselves and further alienating their base. They're patsies, and always will be.

Posted by: Ace at 01:22 PM

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1 This is my shocked face.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 30, 2016 01:17 PM (i0ykY)

2 Is there any difference between DC GOPe and the democrats?

Don't seem so. Sell outs the lot of them.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 01:18 PM (5a2rB)

3 Hey now! Early lunch pays off. First!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 30, 2016 01:18 PM (i0ykY)

4 I hate these people. All of them in both parties. They have no principles, only fund raising needs.

Posted by: huerfano at June 30, 2016 01:18 PM (jkkMG)

5 The Dems are the Globetrotters and the GOPe is their DC dopes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 01:18 PM (5a2rB)

6 Gilbert and Sullivan had this pegged 120 years ago with "I've Got a Little List" from The Mikado, which is a satirical song about the government producing an enemies list without due process. Incredibly insightful!

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2016 01:20 PM (jBuUi)

7 Case in point: the money to combat Zika

For weeks Dems railed against GOP not giving money for this 'crisis'

GOP just drafted a bill for 1 billion dollars

Dems say 'Its not enough !!' we will not approve

Posted by: McCool at June 30, 2016 01:20 PM (TQxRy)

8 Eventually, the back ground check rules will become so restrictive that only mass murderers will be allowed to buy guns.

Posted by: Flower Garland at June 30, 2016 01:20 PM (byC4T)

9 Usually, I have some minor quibble with your ideas, or with the way you word them, Ace.

Not this time.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 30, 2016 01:21 PM (kKHcp)

10 The senate bill that's supposedly the one the house will use vote has the NRA's backing (I think it's the Corbyn bill).

If the GOP had any sense they'd ram it down the throat of the dems and say "see, you get what you want AND we respect the 4th and 5th amendments."

Alas, they don't.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at June 30, 2016 01:21 PM (tM4uk)

11 A "complete surrender" begins with a small impediment. Chip, chip, chip.

Posted by: creeper at June 30, 2016 01:21 PM (KzlKH)

12 So...right after a long holiday weekend.
What are they up to - will they be stabbing the NRA in the back?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2016 01:21 PM (NOIQH)

13 'This is why I laugh at people who say things like "I can't vote for Trump; I'm a principled conservative."' - Ace

Except there is a difference between Republican and Conservative. Come on Ace, you're starting to sound like the same people your eviscerated during the primary.

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 01:21 PM (+a/VV)

14 JUST THE TIP, AND NO MORE!!!

Posted by: Paul Ryan at June 30, 2016 01:21 PM (8ZskC)

15 Is there anything that prevents them from putting me or anyone on this site on the watch list because we see liberalism as the tyranny it is?

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at June 30, 2016 01:22 PM (cPMmb)

16 The Democrats always want to impose totalitarian measures because they assume that they'll always be the ones in power to enforce them. So in their minds, yeah, let's make an official list of "terror organization" and add all the Tea Parties groups to it. Boom, a Republican later takes over and adds Black live Matter to the list. How do you like your unconstitutional power-grab now, assholes?

This is very reason true conservatives are against more state power -- to prevent shit like this.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2016 01:22 PM (jBuUi)

17 Eventually, the back ground check rules will become so restrictive that only mass murderers will be allowed to buy guns.

Nah. There will always be the "Mexican Drug Cartel Loophole" too.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2016 01:22 PM (8ZskC)

18 Is there anything that prevents them from putting me or anyone on this site on the watch list because we see liberalism as the tyranny it is?

not a damn thing

Posted by: Lois Lerner at June 30, 2016 01:23 PM (TQxRy)

19 Where's those little martians from Mars Attacks! when You need them...

Posted by: donna at June 30, 2016 01:23 PM (O2RFr)

20 The Uniparty continues unabated.

Posted by: Gaff at June 30, 2016 01:23 PM (jPS2y)

21 "I just can't see the Republicans doing anything here but embarrassing themselves and further alienating their base. They're patsies, and always will be."

A Christie selection as VP by Trump will clear all this up./

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 30, 2016 01:24 PM (+fNrM)

22

Don't forget. One of the guns used in Paris was purchased by someone (known to the government) in Phoenix.

Posted by: Flower Garland at June 30, 2016 01:24 PM (byC4T)

23 "This is why I laugh at people..."

Ace, weren't you the same guy who said he so disdained Trump that he'd rather vote for Clinton?

Posted by: General Zod at June 30, 2016 01:24 PM (Bdeb0)

24 I relent from my Never-Trump comment some weeks ago.

Boor he may be, idiot clown he may be, but Clinton and the DNC are going full fascist, and this is no longer a choice worthy of any thought.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at June 30, 2016 01:24 PM (6JL3d)

25 Boom, a Republican later takes over and adds Black live Matter to the list.

In other news, pigs are expected to take to the air any day now.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2016 01:24 PM (8ZskC)

26 The NRA's default grade for all politicians needs to now be reset to "F-minus".

And if anyone wants a better grade, let them earn it with a properly indexed measure of all of their procedural votes, and not just the "scored" vote, as is now the case.

This'll keep asshole politicians (redundancy!), from voting to allow f'ked up bills to reach the floor, where Democrats and (R) traitors will see them through, only to vote "against" the damn thing to preserve their "score".

Every granular detail of the process needs to henceforth be scored. Committee votes, procedural votes on rules concerning how future votes will be voted on, parliamentary moves, all of it.

Hold. Them. Accountable.

Then vote their asses out. Whether by soap box, ballot box, bullet box, whatever.

I'm past caring about civility, really.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 30, 2016 01:24 PM (v5iqM)

27 Does "suspected terrorists" include AGW deniers?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 30, 2016 01:24 PM (IqV8l)

28 Rather than block people on the secret terror watch lists from buying guns, wouldn't it make more sense to just report such sales to the FBI?

1. In this case of mistaken identity, the FBI can be instructed to disregard and correct the record.

2. In the case of actual terrorists, the FBI will know something's up without queering an onoing investigation.

Posted by: V the K at June 30, 2016 01:24 PM (O7MnT)

29 24 I relent from my Never-Trump comment some weeks ago.

Boor he may be, idiot clown he may be, but Clinton and the DNC are going full fascist, and this is no longer a choice worthy of any thought.

What You said...

Posted by: donna at June 30, 2016 01:25 PM (O2RFr)

30 Ace, weren't you the same guy who said he so disdained Trump that he'd rather vote for Clinton?

Ace has since revised and extended his remarks.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2016 01:25 PM (8ZskC)

31 Does "suspected terrorists" include AGW deniers?

Abortion protestors, white frat boys, Christians...

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 30, 2016 01:25 PM (v9gSJ)

32 Stewey from Family Guy has 'a little list'

https://youtu.be/22ZFdj3MZeg

Language warning.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 01:25 PM (5a2rB)

33 At this stage, I can only draw one conclusion:

NeverTrump = DeathofAmerica

That is a guarantee.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2016 01:26 PM (p4UlV)

34 23 "This is why I laugh at people..."

Ace, weren't you the same guy who said he so disdained Trump that he'd rather vote for Clinton?
Posted by: General Zod at June 30, 2016 01:24 PM (Bdeb0)

All is forgiven at the alter of Trump.

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 01:26 PM (+a/VV)

35 >>>They're patsies, and always will be.

Hate to FIFY ace, but..... They're pussies, and always will be.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2016 01:26 PM (voOPb)

36 They should title the bill the "Democrats hate gays and won't do anything to stop future Orlandos, because that terrorist wasn't on the damn watch list bill".

Or is that too long?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 30, 2016 01:26 PM (2lndx)

37 31 Does "suspected terrorists" include AGW deniers?

Abortion protestors, white frat boys, Christians...
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 30, 2016 01:25 PM (v9gSJ)

Yes

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2016 01:27 PM (voOPb)

38
Okay, why wd any one sleep with Chelsea's husband? He's such a dweeb. And if the Clinton's found out, the gal may find herself taking a short walk at Fort Marcy...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 30, 2016 01:27 PM (iQIUe)

39 "I can't vote for Trump; I'm a principled conservative."

I still don't see the connection.
I will not vote for the orange Hillary in a suit, as he too backs this proposal (shocked face- Trump agrees with the Dems)
I also had long decided that Kirk and Davis don't get my vote either.

Roberts pretty much killed the argument of "cause judges", Bohner and McConnell (and Ryan) killed the argument of stopping the Dems and I'm not on Team Republican- I am a conservative.

Of course that does mean Will's and etc argument to vote Hill cause shes not the Donald isnt piss poor...

Posted by: HowardDevore at June 30, 2016 01:27 PM (nLYdI)

40 Nothing to worry about here. It's just the camel's nose.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2016 01:27 PM (8ZskC)

41 On the call, Ryan said it common sense that suspects on terror watch
lists not be able to buy guns, but he wants to be sure that any
provision protects due process for people who may mistakenly be added to
such lists.
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On a related note, have the Virginia state representatives overridden McAulliffe's blanket ruling allowing convicted felons to vote?

Posted by: mrp at June 30, 2016 01:27 PM (JBggj)

42 Is there anything that prevents them from putting me or anyone on this site on the watch list because we see liberalism as the tyranny it is?

not a damn thing

Posted by: Lois Lerner at June 30, 2016 01:23 PM (TQxRy)

This, newcomers, is the proper way to use a sock.

Golf clap.

Posted by: Golfman at June 30, 2016 01:28 PM (b6FQn)

43 >>Ace has since revised and extended his remarks. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2016 01:25 PM (8ZskC)

You didn't raise your hand, but thanks anyway.

Posted by: General Zod at June 30, 2016 01:28 PM (Bdeb0)

44 Ace, I just have to add this as an addendum to the last comment.

Usually I agree with 90% of 90% of your posts. The others are either reviews of movies/books/games I don't give a crap about, or you're raging mad and venting in print.

Yet you allow folks like me to quibble with your work, day after day picking nits.

Thanks!

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 30, 2016 01:28 PM (kKHcp)

45 33 At this stage, I can only draw one conclusion:

NeverTrump = DeathofAmerica

That is a guarantee.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2016 01:26 PM (p4UlV)

Wasn't it the Trump supporters that told everyone they didn't need the other Republican primary voters to beat Hillary? Now it's the NeverTrumpers that will usher the end of all things because Trump suddenly needs their votes? Except what exactly is Trump doing to unify and win back those voters?

........ hmmm?

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 01:28 PM (+a/VV)

46 On second thought, do I really want Ryan�s endorsement?

Posted by: Donald Trump at June 30, 2016 01:29 PM (A3b6q)

47 These are the kind of strongwilled, conservative stalwarts that would have kept me in the party if you dumb primary voters would have rejected Trump! Bush, Rubio, Kasich and Graham are all so dreamy...

Posted by: George Will at June 30, 2016 01:29 PM (Fw957)

48 Common Sense Gun Control Measures is whatever a leftist is pointing at when they speak the words "Common Sense Gun Control Measures." Ryan doesn't get that.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at June 30, 2016 01:29 PM (RD7QR)

49 I think Ace is reading this one wrong.

My bet is that the House passes the Cornyn version that the Dems blocked in the Senate. Since they can't filibuster in the House, that will spike the Democrats wheels.

It puts everyone on notice that something will pass, and that even the NRA is on board with it. But the Dems would rather play politics.

Of course the media won't report it that way, but I've seen a lot of leftist on Facebook having to admit that the due process problems are REAL problems. I think this tactic goes our way in the minds of the public.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 30, 2016 01:29 PM (at/3h)

50 16 The Democrats always want to impose totalitarian measures because they assume that they'll always be the ones in power to enforce them. So in their minds, yeah, let's make an official list of "terror organization" and add all the Tea Parties groups to it. Boom, a Republican later takes over and adds Black live Matter to the list. How do you like your unconstitutional power-grab now, assholes?

This is very reason true conservatives are against more state power -- to prevent shit like this.
Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2016 01:22 PM (jBuUi)
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Exactly. I know people at work (pilots) who were wrongfully put on the "no fly" list and had to go to hell and back to get their names cleared.

For R's to support anything like this is absurd.

I'll spend the next few days making call and sending emails.

What worries me though, is ryno will get enough dems onboard to pass something while telling other reps they can go home and tell constituents they voted no.

Failure theater 101.

Posted by: willy at June 30, 2016 01:29 PM (Ffw22)

51 I contributed to Paul Nehlen's campaign today, and you should, too. And if Ryan wins the primary I will contribute to his Democrat opponent, and you should, too.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at June 30, 2016 01:29 PM (nFdGS)

52 In the previous thread I insisted that Bush got fewer popular votes than Romney, and while I remember the numbers being different in 2012, according to Wikipedia, Romney got fewer total votes than Bush.

So I was wrong and I apologize.

There's no real way of knowing how the actual Republican vote breakdowns went either year but I'd like to believe Obama didn't get many in 2012.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:29 PM (39g3+)

53 I'm done with politics. Pretty much forever at this point.

But wake me when the revolution starts. I'll still know how to shoot, even if I can't see squat by then.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 30, 2016 01:30 PM (S2VsH)

54 So much for that Game of Thrones recap thread.

Sigh . . .

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2016 01:30 PM (x/D2W)

55 the House speaker will decide which version goes forward

Ryan has spoken

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:30 PM (zOTsN)

56 "NSA? Yeah, remember the NRA membership roll spreadsheet you worked up for me? Yeah. Uh, Uh, could you merge that with the 'CC Permit Holder' list, and rename that 'Updated Domestic Terror Watchlist' and forward that to DOJ? Why don't you go ahead and cc every highway patrol in the US too. uh,Thanks"

Posted by: Braka at June 30, 2016 01:30 PM (SeD0w)

57 As Some Day It May Happen (I've Got a Little List) from "The Mikado"

KO-KO

As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list -- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed -- who never would be missed!
There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs --
All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs --
All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat --
All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like that --
And all third persons who on spoiling tete-a-tetes insist --
They'd none of 'em be missed -- they'd none of 'em be missed!

CHORUS

He's got 'em on the list -- he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed -- they'll none of 'em be missed.

KO-KO

There's the n----r serenader, and the others of his race,
And the piano-organist - I've got him on the list!
And the people who eat peppermint and puff it in your face,
They never would be missed - they never would be missed!
Then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone,
All centuries but this, and every country but his own;
And the lady from the provinces, who dresses like a guy,
And who "doesn't think she dances, but would rather like to try";
And that singular anomaly, the lady novelist --
I don't think she'd be missed -- I'm sure she'd not be missed!

CHORUS

He's got her on the list -- he's got her on the list;
And I don't think she'll be missed - I'm sure she'll not be missed!

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2016 01:30 PM (jBuUi)

58 This is why I laugh at people who say things like "I can't vote for Trump; I'm a principled conservative.".

I vote the same for my representative and my senator the same as I vote for the president. If they are not conservative enough, I DO NOT.
So go screw yourself with your retarded laugh.

The reason I cannot vote for Trump is that he was picked by the same imbeciles that pick people like Ryan and McCain and Graham and the rest of the progressives in the party.

Posted by: astonerii at June 30, 2016 01:30 PM (ia088)

59 >>Rather than block people on the secret terror watch lists from buying guns, wouldn't it make more sense to just report such sales to the FBI?

Best I can tell that's the NRAs position. Has anyone actually seen the details of this bill, is it different from the NRAs position, the Senate bill?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 30, 2016 01:31 PM (/tuJf)

60 Ryan should add an amendment that prevents anyone on the no fly list from getting an abortion. What's good for the goose...

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2016 01:31 PM (8ZskC)

61 Eric Idle has a little list that includes golf players and customs agents

https://youtu.be/A-_m6EZ1SUk

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 01:32 PM (5a2rB)

62 I agree with Sean ~~Johnson~~!

Posted by: Fred at June 30, 2016 01:32 PM (A/+my)

63 45 Wasn't it the Trump supporters that told everyone they didn't need the other Republican primary voters to beat Hillary? Now it's the NeverTrumpers that will usher the end of all things because Trump suddenly needs their votes? Except what exactly is Trump doing to unify and win back those voters?

........ hmmm?
Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 01:28 PM (+a/VV)

I've made my case very clear lo these many weeks and months.

Fact: Donald Trump has very serious flaws, policy-wise being the most troubling.

Fact: Hilary Clinton is a despot-in-waiting and will finish the job the current momzer has started.

I cannot allow Hilary Clinton. I prefer a crapshoot longshot that is Donald Trump. At least he does not have a hate on for the USA.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2016 01:32 PM (p4UlV)

64 The reason I cannot vote for Trump is that he was picked by the same imbeciles that pick people like Ryan and McCain and Graham and the rest of the progressives in the party.

Posted by: astonerii at June 30, 2016 01:30 PM (ia08

President Hillary thanks you for your support.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2016 01:32 PM (8ZskC)

65 They should slip in something that says anyone under FBI investigation cannot run for federal office.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:32 PM (39g3+)

66 I am going to repeat myself from the ONT:

I would take that story about a Fast and Furious gun turning up in Paris with fist sized chunks of salt.

There is no reason to ship a semiauto only AK knockoff that was
originally imported from Eastern Europe for the American domestic market
from Mexico where it has some value, to Europe. European arms dealers
have access to shit tons of genuine full auto war surplus AKs from war
zones much closer to Europe. Libya, the Balkan wars, the Ukraine,
Syria...

Just seems unprofitable and therefore improbable.

On the other hand, just the juicy bait that can then be proven false
and used to discredit all the good work done by JW on the
Administration's other misdeeds.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at June 30, 2016 01:33 PM (5exbe)

67 Rather than block people on the secret terror watch lists from buying guns, wouldn't it make more sense to just report such sales to the FBI?

I'm nearly certain that this is already the law.

And yes, it would make a lot more sense, if the FBI were willing to use the list for people who meet with Muslim terrorists and claim to their colleagues that they want a showdown with the police so as to die a martyr's death.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 30, 2016 01:33 PM (2lndx)

68 I know this isn't gonna end well, but the hysteria over this last attack switched from Terrorist to evil gun totter... The Republicans were taking heat so just like always they had to do something... Like I said it ain't gonna be good in all probability...

Posted by: donna at June 30, 2016 01:33 PM (O2RFr)

69 IIRC one of the Santa Barbara shooters used a homebrew AR15 not CA legal either

Wouldn't have stopped anything

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at June 30, 2016 01:34 PM (WoTr5)

70 Failure theater 101.
Posted by: willy at June 30, 2016 01:29 PM (Ffw22)

I think all governance has become theater at this point, which is why it fails so much now.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 30, 2016 01:34 PM (S2VsH)

71 There's a simpler explaination for this ...

... some Republicans want guns banned. In my lifetime, I will see significant numbers of Republicans supporting gun confiscation.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 30, 2016 01:34 PM (RKJF2)

72 65 They should slip in something that says anyone under FBI investigation cannot run for federal office.

I like your thinking!

Posted by: donna at June 30, 2016 01:34 PM (O2RFr)

73
'Crazed' naked Ivy League model, 21, brings Times Square to a standstill screaming about Donald Trump, fashion and being a virgin before spitting on cops and jumping from a 16ft ledge

http://goo.gl/T4nEfm
------------------

Drugs? Or, mental illness?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 30, 2016 01:34 PM (iQIUe)

74 Fact: Donald Trump has very serious flaws, policy-wise being the most troubling.

Fact: Hilary Clinton is a despot-in-waiting and will finish the job the current momzer has started.

I cannot allow Hilary Clinton. I prefer a crapshoot longshot that is Donald Trump. At least he does not have a hate on for the USA.

This really is all it comes down to, if you figure whoever is president can possibly make a positive difference.

Trump is a sleazeball we can't trust.

Hillary is evil. Not just mistaken, not just confused, not just of a different opinion, she is evil.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:34 PM (39g3+)

75 wouldn't it make more sense to just report such sales to the FBI

When someone fails a NICS check, they dont tell the gun store the reason. (I dont think)
I doubt FBI will make terror watch list public info.

Posted by: McCool at June 30, 2016 01:35 PM (TQxRy)

76

Hey look

Its First Name Guy

Sean meet Carl, Carl meet Sean

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:35 PM (zOTsN)

77 There's a simpler explaination for this ...

... some Republicans want guns banned. In my lifetime, I will see significant numbers of Republicans supporting gun confiscation.

Because it worked so well for drugs.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2016 01:35 PM (8ZskC)

78

First Name Guy are you from the Never Trump groups or from the DNC

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:35 PM (zOTsN)

79 There are two types of people in the world.

Those who compose lists...

...and those who comprise lists.

All depends on the meaning of "us".

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 30, 2016 01:35 PM (NeFrd)

80 If the GOPe is going to push this "no fly, no buy" bill, I demand an amendment.

I demand national reciprocity for conceal carry.

We are all supposed to compromise, right? Well here it is. Agree on the "no fly, no buy" proposal -if AND only if US citizens on the list are notified within 120 days of effective date of bill. A clearly defined (not this "discretion of AG or whoever" bullshit) appeal process when someone contests their existence on this list. If found to be a mistake, federal government pays all attorney fees.
That is the "give"

and the "take" is an amendment for national reciprocity. I would hope it has become abundantly clear to all that we are the first and last hope for our personal safety. Time for people to train up and take that responsibility. The conceal carry laws are a hodgepodge of gotchas just waiting to imprison an unwary person for months/years if caught and convicted.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 01:35 PM (jxbfJ)

81 I thought the 'background check' on gun purchases was already a review by the FBI. Am I wrong?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 30, 2016 01:35 PM (v9gSJ)

82
Yeah.... wait until "suspected terrorists" mean "white, churchgoing Christian gun owners."

You saw Janet Napolitanos memo from the first term...right???

Like I stated in the last thread.... Id like to think that Paul Ryan is playing 10 dimensional chess because "gun control" is a historic loser and the Democrats ALWAYS over reach.

But.... Paul Ryan.

So.... no.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 01:35 PM (8XRCm)

83 Carl's right!

Posted by: Dick at June 30, 2016 01:36 PM (A/+my)

84 You know how I know the "Terror watch list" is full of shit & will only be used against the Regime's political opponents? The fact that CAIR & the rest of the muslim groups haven't denounced this by claiming that it will have a disproportional effect on muslims. FFS, if BLM can get the Regime to strike down detention in grade schools because it has a disproportional effect on black students...

Posted by: josephistan at June 30, 2016 01:36 PM (7HtZB)

85 16 The Democrats always want to impose totalitarian measures because they assume that they'll always be the ones in power to enforce them. So in their minds, yeah, let's make an official list of "terror organization" and add all the Tea Parties groups to it. Boom, a Republican later takes over and adds Black live Matter to the list. How do you like your unconstitutional power-grab now, assholes?
This is very reason true conservatives are against more state power -- to prevent shit like this.
Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2016 01:22 PM (jBuUi)

Exactly. Evidence that liberals aren't too bright: they never grasp that the totalitarian measures they support might someday be used against them.

Once in debating a liberal who proposed some grossly un-Constitutional measure (something like shutting down Fox News, IIRC) I mentioned that President Pat Buchanan would doubtless make excellent use of such power. A long silence ensued.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 01:36 PM (oKE6c)

86
Hey look

Its First Name Guy

Sean meet Carl, Carl meet Sean

Friend of Greg?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 30, 2016 01:36 PM (v9gSJ)

87 "Why don't you go ahead and cc every highway patrol in the US too."

As CCW holders who drive through fever swamps such as Maryland have learned, there are already shared databases linked to license plate recognition. You'll get swooped on a pretext.

And Orwell was worried about telescreens.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2016 01:36 PM (noWW6)

88 Thanks Christopher Taylor, got the ending of Time Bandits stuck in mind now.

Failed and exploded Hillary! all over the place and G_d says, "Be careful there when you pick that stuff up, it's concentrated evil."

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 01:36 PM (5a2rB)

89 Just seems unprofitable and therefore improbable.

Guns move all around the world, its not as expensive as it once was, and its a way of removing guns from circulation.

If it ends up being this was a F&F gun, then the scenario of the Obama administration moving these guns overseas to get them out of the media seems plausible.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:36 PM (39g3+)

90 If Hillary wins everyone to the right of Mitt Romney is going on the terrorism watch list... with no appeal or legal resource to get your rights restored.

Posted by: Just Sayin' at June 30, 2016 01:37 PM (+rQ5f)

91 When someone fails a NICS check, they dont tell the gun store the reason. (I dont think)

They wouldn't have to. The NICS software would know, so that a check should/would trigger the warning without the gun store being involved.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 30, 2016 01:37 PM (2lndx)

92 'Crazed' naked Ivy League model, 21, brings Times Square to a standstill screaming about Donald Trump, fashion and being a virgin before spitting on cops and jumping from a 16ft ledge

http://goo.gl/T4nEfm
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Drugs? Or, mental illness?

Liberal. Birm.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 01:38 PM (mf0wg)

93

How about.....

..... if youre on a terror watch list.... a no fly list.... and a cannot buy a gun list.....

..... you better be on a "Get the Fuck Out of My Country" list.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 01:38 PM (8XRCm)

94 Tom and Dick are right!!

Posted by: Harry at June 30, 2016 01:38 PM (IqV8l)

95 The Democrat Controlled House of Representatives

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at June 30, 2016 01:38 PM (rwI+c)

96 The Democrats always want to impose totalitarian measures because they assume that they'll always be the ones in power to enforce them. So in their minds, yeah, let's make an official list of "terror organization" and add all the Tea Parties groups to it. Boom, a Republican later takes over and adds Black live Matter to the list. How do you like your unconstitutional power-grab now, assholes?

If it goes to the Supreme Court what's the smart money bet?

Posted by: Pimping for Paradise at June 30, 2016 01:39 PM (2X7pN)

97 I insisted that Bush got fewer popular votes than Romney, and while I remember the numbers being different in 2012, according to Wikipedia, Romney got fewer total votes than Bush.

So I was wrong and I apologize.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:39 PM (39g3+)

98 So the same people who want to stop employers from asking you if you're a felon 'Ban the Box'

now want to deny your constituionally protected rights based on a super secret govt list based on circumstantial (or no) evidence.

Remember when they were all upset about Bush tracking what books you checked out of the library ?

Good times...

Posted by: McCool at June 30, 2016 01:39 PM (TQxRy)

99 Trump's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't with the detractors in his own party.

If he states a policy position, his detractors claim he "can't possibly do that," or "he can't be serious."

If he gets off the X by not stating a position, he's accused of insubstantiality or evasion, or both.

Making the case for a moving target isn't easy, but hitting one isn't easy, either. I'll take his evasion over an electoral shellacking by Hillary. At least I've got a good idea what her positions are, and I can't support a one of them.

Posted by: General Zod at June 30, 2016 01:39 PM (Bdeb0)

100 96
If it goes to the Supreme Court what's the smart money bet?

Posted by: Pimping for Paradise at June 30, 2016 01:39 PM (2X7pN)
My bet? They refuse to hear the case.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 01:39 PM (jxbfJ)

101 Exactly. Evidence that liberals aren't too bright:
they never grasp that the totalitarian measures they support might
someday be used against them.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 01:36 PM (oKE6c)

The Dems have flooded the zone with illegals for two decades. One massive amnesty is all they need to make the nation a one-party state. They're not nearly as stupid as you think. They've been planning contingencies for some time. Our GOP has helped them with every step.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 30, 2016 01:39 PM (S2VsH)

102 I've made my case very clear lo these many weeks and months.

Fact: Donald Trump has very serious flaws, policy-wise being the most troubling.

Fact: Hilary Clinton is a despot-in-waiting and will finish the job the current momzer has started.

I cannot allow Hilary Clinton. I prefer a crapshoot longshot that is Donald Trump. At least he does not have a hate on for the USA.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2016 01:32 PM (p4UlV)

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All well and good, except principled voters need more than the assurance that your devil is slightly better than the other guy's devil. Again, it's Trump's job to win voters, not just NeverTrump members, but ALL voters, and frankly he seems disinterested in that task. Even if you remove the NeverTrump base from this equation Trump still needs to win over more than just 40% of the primary voters and those that okay with voting for the "ex-friend of my enemy who now says he's really an enemy of my enemy so he's got to be my friend" style candidate.

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 01:39 PM (+a/VV)

103 It's like the two parties are having a contest to see which of them can rub our noses in how bad ourctwo choices suck.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at June 30, 2016 01:40 PM (Kucy5)

104 So in their minds, yeah, let's make an official list of "terror organization" and add all the Tea Parties groups to it.

Boom, a Republican later takes over and adds Black live Matter to the list.

I think I see where the flaw in that plan is......

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 01:40 PM (mf0wg)

105 Evidence that liberals aren't too bright: they never grasp that the totalitarian measures they support might someday be used against them.

They don't expect to ever lose power again.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at June 30, 2016 01:40 PM (rwI+c)

106 16 The Democrats always want to impose totalitarian measures because they assume that they'll always be the ones in power to enforce them. So in their minds, yeah, let's make an official list of "terror organization" and add all the Tea Parties groups to it. Boom, a Republican later takes over...

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You needn't worry about that much longer, comrade.

Posted by: The Left at June 30, 2016 01:40 PM (7HtZB)

107 They fuckin say those Navy Sailors did the wrong thing in Iran...YEAH they DID...but what are they having a Pentagon Presser on now? Transexuals????

This is TREASON

STUPID FUCKIN TREASON

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 01:40 PM (zp+j1)

108 You know who's on my list who will never be missed?

Trolls.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 01:41 PM (5a2rB)

109 Sean is right!!!

Posted by: Shawn at June 30, 2016 01:41 PM (v9gSJ)

110 Wasn't it the Trump supporters that told everyone they didn't need
the other Republican primary voters to beat Hillary? Now it's the
NeverTrumpers that will usher the end of all things because Trump
suddenly needs their votes? Except what exactly is Trump doing to unify
and win back those voters?

........ hmmm?

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 01:28 PM (+a/VV)
Buying air time for Hillary.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 01:41 PM (oKE6c)

111 102

All well and good, except principled voters need more than the
assurance that your devil is slightly better than the other guy's devil.

Why? Isn't that what we've been doing since Reagan?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 01:41 PM (jxbfJ)

112

Trans military members are going to get GENDER REASSIGNMENT SURGERY PAID FOR NOW

I predict transgenders will join the military, get their surgery, and they declare they were conscientious objectors

just like medical docs would get their school paid for and then claim to be gay

and after dont ask dont tell they claimed to be CO

what BS

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:41 PM (zOTsN)

113
The Democrats always want to impose totalitarian measures because they assume that they'll always be the ones in power to enforce them. So in their minds, yeah, let's make an official list of "terror organization" and add all the Tea Parties groups to it. Boom, a Republican later takes over and adds Black live Matter to the list. How do you like your unconstitutional power-grab now, assholes?

This is very reason true conservatives are against more state power -- to prevent shit like this.
Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2016 01:22 PM (jBuUi)
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Whenever I argue with my liberal acquaintances about government control and being a nation of laws, not men, I ask them some form of "How will you like it when HHS Secretary Palin uses ACA provisions to set a minimum wage of $1000/hr for all abortion providers?"

Instead of scaring them out of giving so much power to the government, it scares them into voting Democrat harder than ever, but I still like to think I've made my point.

Posted by: iforgot at June 30, 2016 01:41 PM (pC96u)

114 They are all fuckin crazy at the Pentagon. FUCKIN BAT SHIT CRAZY

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 01:41 PM (zp+j1)

115 They wouldn't have to. The NICS software would know, so that a check should/would trigger the warning without the gun store being involved.

good point . . .

But that notification to FBI would probably end up in a virtual pile that never gets followed up on..

Like when Disney reported Omar for casing the park

Posted by: McCool at June 30, 2016 01:42 PM (TQxRy)

116 Here is a question, is there an actual case of someone being on the terrorist watch list, buying a gun and using it in actual crime?

I'm guessing the same sort of person who would be on this list is really going through legal channels to buy firearms.

It's sort of like in New Jersey where there was an effort to tie your firearms ID card to your drivers license on the theory it would make cops more safe during traffic stops becaus then they would know who could potentially have a firearm during a stop.

Turns out there has never been a case in New Jersey where a police officer has been shot by someone who legally possessed the firearm he shot the cop with so all cop would have is a database of law abiding citizens.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 30, 2016 01:42 PM (jzUL/)

117 If Hillary wins everyone to the right of Mitt Romney is going on the terrorism watch list

*****

So, like 85-90% of the population, eh?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 30, 2016 01:42 PM (NeFrd)

118 NICS process in nick. The FBI is notified if someone on the watch list attempts to buy a firearm, but the gun owner is not.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 30, 2016 01:42 PM (2lndx)

119 If Hillary wins everyone to the right of Mitt Romney is going on the terrorism watch list

Sure, that's the mechanism for tyranny that we let our government set up with the "no fly" list to begin with. We should have fought against that, but supported it based on rage and fear. We failed our nation and its founders. Now what do we do?

they never grasp that the totalitarian measures they support might someday be used against them.

I think they know at least in an academic sense, they just figure they'll never be out of power. The closer they come to actually maybe losing power, the more they freak out.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:42 PM (39g3+)

120 Trans military members are going to get GENDER REASSIGNMENT SURGERY PAID FOR NOW

I predict transgenders will join the military, get their surgery, and they declare they were conscientious objectors

just like medical docs would get their school paid for and then claim to be gay

and after dont ask dont tell they claimed to be CO

what BS
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:41 PM (zOTsN)

Pay for transexual medicine but but weapons and the commissary. FUCKIN TREASON

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 01:42 PM (zp+j1)

121
Trans military members are going to get GENDER REASSIGNMENT SURGERY PAID FOR NOW

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Trump's SecDec will have to go to war against the domestic enemy.

Posted by: iforgot at June 30, 2016 01:43 PM (pC96u)

122 You needn't worry about that much longer, comrade.

Posted by: The Left at June 30, 2016 01:40 PM (7HtZB)
Careful, comrade. Don't overreach and go off half-cocked. (Can we even say that anymore?)
Trust me. I know.

Posted by: Salvador Allende at June 30, 2016 01:43 PM (oKE6c)

123 NGU and ThunderB...

So if an A-10 self-identifies as an F-35 we can now keep it flying?

Yeah treason and insanity all wrapped up in one stinky ball of filth.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 01:43 PM (5a2rB)

124 Just as I thought.

>>A Democratic aide speculated that the measure could be a House version of a Senate Republican measure backed by the National Rifle Association

http://tinyurl.com/jy8d4sa

Posted by: JackStraw at June 30, 2016 01:43 PM (/tuJf)

125
If Hillary wins everyone to the right of Mitt Romney is going on the terrorism watch list
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At that point, Paul Ryan can steal a line from John Kerry re Iranians cheating on the nuke deal.

"Yeah, they're not supposed to be doing that."

Posted by: iforgot at June 30, 2016 01:44 PM (pC96u)

126
Like when Disney reported Omar for casing the park

"He was tagged with a Class M designation, and ignored, as per policy"
-FBI leadership

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:44 PM (39g3+)

127 they will all join to get their surgery paid for and then get themselves discharged from service for one reason or another

this is the dumbest thing ever

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:44 PM (zOTsN)

128 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 01:40 PM (zp+j1)

For the sake of argument, stipulate that Gender Dysphoria is not a mental illness.
Even with that stipulation: a number approaching 100% of Trangenders have psychological comorbidities. Wouldn't these typically exclude one from joining the military?

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at June 30, 2016 01:44 PM (tM4uk)

129 I'm worried the next move by the military is that any barrel shaped weapon will be considered a microaggression because it is shaped like a phallus. So they must be banned.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 01:44 PM (jxbfJ)

130 105 Evidence that liberals aren't too bright: they never grasp that the totalitarian measures they support might someday be used against them.
They don't expect to ever lose power again.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at June 30, 2016 01:40 PM (rwI+c)

Of course, but that's evidence that they're not too bright, isn't it?

Posted by: Salvador Allende at June 30, 2016 01:45 PM (oKE6c)

131

Ash Carters talk is ALL about providing medical care for transgenders

HOW DOES THIS HELP READINESS

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:45 PM (zOTsN)

132 The FBI is notified if someone on the watch list attempts to buy a firearm, but the gun owner is not.

And the purchase is delayed--under current law--pending a Counter Terrorism review.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 30, 2016 01:45 PM (2lndx)

133
You want Octavian Caesar
You will settle for General Pinochet
You will get Fidel Castro

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at June 30, 2016 01:45 PM (rwI+c)

134 Sock off.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 01:45 PM (oKE6c)

135 HOW DOES THIS HELP WAR FIGHTING

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:45 PM (zOTsN)

136 To hear you people talk, it's like we won't be able to vote our way out of this.

Now I have the sadz.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 30, 2016 01:45 PM (RKJF2)

137 It's the terror list itself which is the problem because I'm sure everyone here is not in favor of the right of person to purchase a gun who has declared his intention to be a terrorist . It's the ability to put any one on that list by some government suit that is my problem. Right now it's Islamic terrorists, tomorrow it could be an innocent Christian militia organization. I have to think this through .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 30, 2016 01:46 PM (ZVFID)

138 Would a Minuteman III be a micro or a macro aggression?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 01:46 PM (5a2rB)

139 All well and good, except principled voters need more than the assurance that your devil is slightly better than the other guy's devil.

Posted by: Sean

Voting is not a moral exercise. It isn't a sacrament.

'Principled' voters need to remove their ego from the equation.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 30, 2016 01:46 PM (p2X2f)

140 Tom and Dick are right!!

Posted by: Harry

*****

Mark my words!!

Posted by: Mark at June 30, 2016 01:46 PM (NeFrd)

141 Even with that stipulation: a number approaching 100% of Trangenders have psychological comorbidities. Wouldn't these typically exclude one from joining the military?

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at June 30, 2016 01:44 PM (tM4uk)

of course, and the moment ANY military member points this out they will be accused of bigotry

no commander will ruin his career, they will just hope the guy gets out at his request after his surgery

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:47 PM (zOTsN)

142 135
HOW DOES THIS HELP WAR FIGHTING

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:45 PM (zOTsN)

F->M transgenders get to take part in "sword" fighting. This counts, right?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 01:47 PM (jxbfJ)

143 The US Military - the Democrat's sociology experiment

Posted by: brak at June 30, 2016 01:47 PM (MJuTN)

144 Why should we fear this? If it keeps weapons out of the hands of terrorists.

Oh wait...

The Tea Party: The Heart and Soul Of Domestic Terrorism

http://tinyurl.com/zjurpq2

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 30, 2016 01:47 PM (/CXhS)

145 >>'Principled' voters need to remove their ego from the equation.

I remember those golden days of 2011 when everyone was saying the exact same thing about Romney.

Well not here but I'm sure they did somewhere.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 30, 2016 01:47 PM (/tuJf)

146 they will all join to get their surgery paid for and then get themselves discharged from service for one reason or another

Liberals about to get another crash course in adverse selection. You'd think Obongocare and immigration would have taught them, but apparently not.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 01:47 PM (oKE6c)

147 140
Tom and Dick are right!!

Posted by: Harry

*****

Mark my words!!

Posted by: Mark at June 30, 2016 01:46 PM (NeFrd)
I'll pat you on the back for that one.

Posted by: Pat at June 30, 2016 01:47 PM (jxbfJ)

148 Mark my words!!
Posted by: Mark at June 30, 2016 01:46 PM (NeFrd)

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Mark Mark Mark Mark

Mark Mark

Mark Mark Mark Mark

Posted by: Fido the Harelipped Dog at June 30, 2016 01:47 PM (8XRCm)

149

this is crazy. WE ALREADY HAVE A READINESS PROBLEM

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:48 PM (zOTsN)

150 Serious question ... how many of us are already on some federal watch list ?

I'll be positively giddy if I'm not - and mildly surprised.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 30, 2016 01:48 PM (RKJF2)

151 I hope Cruz will lead the US Government in exile in 2019.

Posted by: centralscrutinizer at June 30, 2016 01:48 PM (vI+F1)

152 Now in theory, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a bill that blocks suspected terrorists from buying guns -- so long as there are strong due process safeguards, and that people have the right to challenge the finding and have a lawyer paid for by the state. (You shouldn't go bankrupt trying to get your name off a list you were added to with no due process standards, other than a bureaucrat's say-so.)

At the very least.

I will go so far as to say that when we're moving from a watch list to a list that prevents the exercise of a protected right then there must be due process provisions BEFORE a name is added to the list.

Because, you see, I have a sneaking suspicion that the list of terror organizations will be prepared by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

In further fuck me running news, the one thing, the ONE MOTHERFUCKING THING, that I have defended the Republicans on since regaining control of the House and then the House and Senate is that gun control has been thwarted.

*clings desperately to the Indians*

AT LEAST YOU'RE BEING NICE TO ME! AT LEAST BEFORE YOUR PLANE GOES DOWN IN A VOLCANO OR WHATEVER IS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE I CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!

Where the hell is Bander? I need a shoulder on which to weep.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 30, 2016 01:48 PM (mf5HN)

153 Rather than block people on the secret terror watch lists from buying guns, wouldn't it make more sense to just report such sales to the FBI?

1. In this case of mistaken identity, the FBI can be instructed to disregard and correct the record.

2. In the case of actual terrorists, the FBI will know something's up without queering an onoing investigation.

Posted by: V the K at June 30, 2016 01:24 PM (O7MnT)

That actually makes sense. So of course they wouldn't do it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2016 01:48 PM (GSdpU)

154
U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan told Republican lawmakers on a conference call that the House will vote next week on a measure intended to keep guns out of the hands of people on terrorism watch lists, according to a knowledgeable source.

House Republican leadership refused to provide details of the legislation

Well alrighty then.
Never mind the fine print, just vote on the damn thing. We'll find out what's in it after it passes.

It is just common sense to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists, unlike Obama's foreign policy where 20,000 dollar sniper rifles are being give away to syrian rebels.

Posted by: Flower Garland at June 30, 2016 01:48 PM (byC4T)

155 Serious question ... how many of us are already on some federal watch list ?

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Seriously????

Posted by: Bob The NSA Watcher Assigned to AOSHQ at June 30, 2016 01:49 PM (8XRCm)

156 150
Serious question ... how many of us are already on some federal watch list ?

I'll be positively giddy if I'm not - and mildly surprised.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 30, 2016 01:48 PM (RKJF2)
Been 18+ months since I went through a NICS, but I'll take a leap of faith and say I'm OK.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 01:49 PM (jxbfJ)

157 It's the terror list itself which is the problem because I'm sure everyone here is not in favor of the right of person to purchase a gun who has declared his intention to be a terrorist . It's the ability to put any one on that list by some government suit that is my problem.

Right now it's Islamic terrorists, tomorrow it could be an innocent Christian militia organization. I have to think this through .
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck

No. Tomorrow it's a typo. It WAS supposed to be a Joe Hollenbeck........

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 01:49 PM (mf0wg)

158 58
This is why I laugh at people who say things like "I can't vote for Trump; I'm a principled conservative.".

I
vote the same for my representative and my senator the same as I vote
for the president. If they are not conservative enough, I DO NOT.
So go screw yourself with your retarded laugh.

The
reason I cannot vote for Trump is that he was picked by the same
imbeciles that pick people like Ryan and McCain and Graham and the rest
of the progressives in the party.

Posted by: astonerii at June 30, 2016 01:30 PM (ia08

Logic Fail

Posted by: Guy who says Logic Fail at June 30, 2016 01:49 PM (A3b6q)

159 "Eventually, the back ground check rules will become so restrictive that only mass murderers will be allowed to buy guns."

Or ISIS affiliated individuals and groups. That'll show everyone that we aren't Islamophobic.

Posted by: RM at June 30, 2016 01:49 PM (U3LtS)

160 I would like a clear cut definition on what a 'terrorist' is.

Posted by: Cheri at June 30, 2016 01:49 PM (oiNtH)

161 WHAT fuckin standards are transexuals gong to be held to?

What a fuckin joke

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 01:49 PM (zp+j1)

162 135
HOW DOES THIS HELP WAR FIGHTING

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:45 PM (zOTsN)

For want of landing craft America west of the Rockies would be a Chinese colony.

Posted by: josephistan at June 30, 2016 01:50 PM (7HtZB)

163 Where the hell is Bander? I need a shoulder on which to weep.
Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 30, 2016 01:48 PM (mf5HN)

----

And a step ladder.....

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 01:50 PM (8XRCm)

164 Posted by: ScoggDog at June 30, 2016 01:34 PM (RKJF2)

Hey can I get in on that $50 ace bet from last night?

Posted by: Blano at June 30, 2016 01:50 PM (oO+cT)

165 Part 6,786,209 in Why Ryan Needs To Resign. This man is out of his depth and an utter embarrassment.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 30, 2016 01:50 PM (GfUUJ)

166 Empress, should I rent a C-17 to air-drop the 1st Raptor Airborne Battalion upon the Capitol?

Anything without a stringent jury by peers approach is asking for abuse at the earliest time. Star chambers da?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 01:50 PM (5a2rB)

167

ha

they have to be "stable" for 18 months before surgery and in the military

what commander will write up a member of a protected class

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:50 PM (zOTsN)

168 We don't want terrorists selecting our leaders and helping pass laws. Anyone on the terror watch list that can't purchase firearms really shouldn't vote. Most of these terrorists are homegrown radicals, the administration tells me, and were peace loving Muslims until radicalized on the internet. Watch listed people should therefore have all their internet access shutoff until they've been cleared.

It's for the children.

Posted by: Grimaldi at June 30, 2016 01:50 PM (Fw957)

169 At this stage, I can only draw one conclusion:

NeverTrump = DeathofAmerica

That is a guarantee.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2016 01:26 PM (p4UlV)

An interesting, and relevant blog post touching on the disconnect between the "elites" and the voting public:

http://linkis.com/www.qando.net/2016/0/1CA6H

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2016 01:50 PM (GSdpU)

170 I hate this fuck Carter

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 01:51 PM (zp+j1)

171 they will all fail their random drug tests

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:51 PM (zOTsN)

172 "Like when Disney reported Omar for casing the park"

In the car yesterday, before I turned it off in disgust, I caught the intro to _Fresh Air_ on NPR, where Terry Gross was interviewing someone about counterterrorism.

In her lead-in, Gross mentioned that Omar Siddiqui Matteen had been reported twice to the FBI but that the feds had closed the file before his rampage.

Of course, what Gross didn't inform her audience of latte liberals about is that the Bureau closed the file on those report because Matteen was a member of a protected class, a Muslim, and that the complaints were dismissed by the feds as being merely due to "racism".

Oh: also on NPR, later in the day, listeners were informed in those weird whispery NPR voices that the Istanbul airport attacks were committed by "suicide bombers". With absolutely no mention of *why* those individuals engaged in suicide bombing. Facepalm.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2016 01:51 PM (noWW6)

173 There is no such thing as Islamic terrorism or extremism. These unfortunate incidents are symptoms of hatred, racism, sexism, and lack of diversity and tolerance inherent in white privlege and the concept of American exceptionalism. We deserve to be punished by those we've oppressed. After centuries of hateful discrimination, we cannot blame oppressed victims for fighting back with workplace violence or peaceful protest that get out of control.

The only solution is to use whatever means necessary to bring those with anachronistic ideas of self reliance and hateful discrimination into our modern era of enlightenment and understanding. We must defend ourselves from thosewho cling to old preconceptions, unfounded faith in disproven ideals, and deny proven science. They are the threat and barrier to the full realization a peaceful global society of understanding and common good.

We must all trust the entirety of our safety, defense and well being to the State. The State will provide for all and punish those who would exploit you. The State will ensure fairness and equality. The State is benevolent and above all base motives of profit and greed.

It is the role of the State to provide for the defense of all and our common interests. Owning or bearing arms is a threat to the State and the public and serves no purpose in a peaceful and tolerant society. Self reliance, self defense and independence are in direct opposition to our common ideals and a threat to our society in the name of openness, fairness, and the safety and security of our children and the Middle Class. We must disarm them and bring the enemies of our global society to heel.

~ Your Unigovernment

Posted by: Damiano at June 30, 2016 01:51 PM (71OEY)

174 Liberals about to get another crash course in adverse selection. You'd think Obongocare and immigration would have taught them, but apparently not.

Actual efforts failing is only proof that the rest of the world is awful, not that their ideas are bad. Its the fault of those who won't go along. The left is a big proponent of the "imagine" principle, where they dream of a future better world and act based on that rather than on what is true and real.

In further fuck me running news, the one thing, the ONE MOTHERFUCKING THING, that I have defended the Republicans on since regaining control of the House and then the House and Senate is that gun control has been thwarted.

Well, so far at least they haven't caved on an Obama SCOTUS choice

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:51 PM (39g3+)

175 F->M transgenders get to take part in "sword" fighting.

*****

That's fine, until one of them has to take epee.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 30, 2016 01:52 PM (NeFrd)

176 this is pathetic and dangerous

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:52 PM (zOTsN)

177 I think I see where the flaw in that plan is......

Made me laugh. Out loudish, too.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2016 01:52 PM (SeD0w)

178 Voting is not a moral exercise. It isn't a sacrament.

'Principled' voters need to remove their ego from the equation.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 30, 2016 01:46 PM (p2X2f)

----

You're right, but people need a reason to vote for someone, not simply because their vote will be against someone else. Most Republicans have been doing the latter since the 80's, and currently Trump has done very little to move the pendulum towards giving people a reason to vote for him. If this election comes down to "vote for me because I'm not her" then there are other options for voters.

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 01:52 PM (+a/VV)

179 How do you have ten sailors at once be pussies and give up everything immediately? Where did they do their basic? In a day spa?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 30, 2016 01:52 PM (ZVFID)

180 F->M transgenders get to take part in "sword" fighting.

*****

That's fine, until one of them has to take epee.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 30, 2016 01:52 PM (NeFrd)

---------

The feminazis will find your pun rapey-er than the last.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 01:53 PM (8XRCm)

181 I would like a clear cut definition on what a 'terrorist' is.

Someone who opposses Barack Obama and stands against his values. Which would also be a sin as define by BO himself.

Posted by: Flower Garland at June 30, 2016 01:53 PM (byC4T)

182 Well, so far at least they haven't caved on an Obama SCOTUS choice

You just HAD to say type that out and click post, eh?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2016 01:53 PM (SeD0w)

183 this is pathetic and dangerous
Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:52 PM (zOTsN)

And the FUCKs in the Pentagon just came out today and admitted the Navy Sailors captured by the Iranians were not properly trained!!!!

I WONDER FUCKIN WHY?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 01:53 PM (zp+j1)

184 Heavily armored cops blast through the ceiling and land upon a startled couple in bed.

"We have an arrest warrant here for a Harry Buttle."

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 01:53 PM (5a2rB)

185 Not sure how I feel about this. I'm rabid, pro-2nd Amendment

My fear is that it will be abused with respect to political enemies, at the same time, I don't want to lose broader gun rights being overly strident.

There's going to be more Islamic-fueled shootings and we need some cover on this issue, in my opinion so we can focus less on guns and more on terrorists.

Just to put it in perspective, I recently bought a pistol and had to wait several days for the FBI to clear me. But Omar sailed through.

Zero criminal history on my part but Omar was on several watch lists (supposedly)

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 01:54 PM (8SBq4)

186 Someone who opposses Barack Obama and stands against his values. Which would also be a sin as define by BO himself.

Posted by: Flower Garland at June 30, 2016 01:53 PM (byC4T)
Well, we are already racists for just that. May as well tack on the terrorist label too.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 01:54 PM (jxbfJ)

187 You're right, but people need a reason to vote for someone, not simply because their vote will be against someone else. Most Republicans have been doing the latter since the 80's, and currently Trump has done very little to move the pendulum towards giving people a reason to vote for him. If this election comes down to "vote for me because I'm not her" then there are other options for voters.

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 01:52 PM (+a/VV)

so unlike Hillarys "vote for me Im not Trump" strategy

why are you here

what are you trying to accomplish First Name Guy

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:54 PM (zOTsN)

188 Saw a video of Jeh Johnson being grilled by Ted Cruz
about scrubbing of islamic buzzwords from previous reports.

Johnson basically said he doesnt know if its true and really doesnt care.

He refused to admit that those words are banned form current DHS documents

Posted by: McCool at June 30, 2016 01:55 PM (TQxRy)

189 185
Not sure how I feel about this. I'm rabid, pro-2nd Amendment

My fear is that it will be abused with respect to political enemies,
at the same time, I don't want to lose broader gun rights being overly
strident.

There's going to be more Islamic-fueled shootings and we need some
cover on this issue, in my opinion so we can focus less on guns and more
on terrorists.

Just to put it in perspective, I recently bought a pistol and had to
wait several days for the FBI to clear me. But Omar sailed through.

Zero criminal history on my part but Omar was on several watch lists (supposedly)

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 01:54 PM (8SBq4)

Which, in my post above, I demand national reciprocity. Put this on and you can guarantee that whatever legislation it is attached to will not pass. Ever.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 01:55 PM (jxbfJ)

190 Theal team theven reporting for duty

*prances*

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 30, 2016 01:56 PM (/CXhS)

191 Now in theory, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a bill that blocks suspected terrorists from buying guns -- so long as there are strong due process safeguards, and that people have the right to challenge the finding and have a lawyer paid for by the state.

This sounds reasonable - at first blush. But I think the way you have it stated still gives the government too much power.

First, I think we should be separating out the people who might be on this list into 2 categories: those who are American citizens and those who are not. For non-citizens, if they are suspected of being terrorist they should be removed from the country. If we want to give them some due process, have some kind of detention where they are held until have the chance to defend themselves. However, national security is paramount, so any "rights" they wish to exercise should be secondary to protecting the country.

As to citizens, I would be OK with the government getting something like a TRO, but then subject to some due process where the government would have the burden of proof to turn the temporary ban into something permanent. If they fail to do so in a reasonable timeframe, the temp order runs out and the citizen is once again able to exercise his 2nd amendment rights without restriction.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 30, 2016 01:56 PM (R+30W)

192 181 I would like a clear cut definition on what a 'terrorist' is.

Any one who yells "Ah ha! Snackbar!" and detonates himself. Oh, and anyone who flies an American flag at their home.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2016 01:56 PM (SeD0w)

193 people need a reason to vote for someone, not simply because their vote will be against someone else.

I agree. In the primary elections, Trump gave people that: he was the one voice strongest on immigration and was the anti-elite. He has to recapture that, or nobody will be interested in voting for him.

You cannot build a movement around being opposed to something, only being in support of something.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:56 PM (39g3+)

194 Paul Ryan is a fucking imbecile.

Paul Ryan parent of the year he literally just rewarded his (democrat)kids for shitting themselves.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 01:56 PM (SzZnW)

195 sean

"good options"

pppfffffffttttttttttttttttttt

like what

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:56 PM (zOTsN)

196 So go screw yourself with your retarded laugh.

The reason I cannot vote for Trump isthat he was picked by the same imbeciles that pick people like Ryan and McCain and Graham and the rest of the progressives in the party.

Posted by: astonerii at June 30, 2016 01:30 PM (ia08

The irony, it burns.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2016 01:57 PM (GSdpU)

197 The Washington Generals are losing again?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 30, 2016 01:57 PM (4ErVI)

198

good options isnt running this year dodo

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:57 PM (zOTsN)

199 Do you want totalitarianism? Because this is how you get totalitarianism.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 30, 2016 01:58 PM (KUaJL)

200 185 Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 01:54 PM (8SBq4)

Welcome to Obamamerica.

Democrat membership has its privileges.

My wife never fails to need a 2d look b/c she was born in Belgium at NATO HQ.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 01:58 PM (SzZnW)

201 Only if Ryan and the Democrats were half as concerned about keeping terrorists out of the United States as guns out of law-abiding citizens' hands.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 30, 2016 01:58 PM (GfUUJ)

202 Serious question, as of today's date since the creation of the various watch lists, how many people who are currently on or have ever been on these lists have committed crimes with firearms?

To my knowledge on Omar Mateen.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 30, 2016 01:58 PM (jzUL/)

203 It is Sarah Palin's fault for hunting a RINO.
Ryan needs this bill to get re-elected in his Democrat district.

Posted by: conspiracy! at June 30, 2016 01:58 PM (jN+3o)

204 Shorter Ace;

BOHICA

Posted by: random lurker at June 30, 2016 01:59 PM (WF5ei)

205 The reason I cannot vote for Trump isthat he was picked by the same imbeciles that pick people like Ryan and McCain and Graham and the rest of the progressives in the party.

You mean Republican voters? Okay...

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:59 PM (39g3+)

206 If this election comes down to "vote for me because I'm not her" then there are other options for voters.

Which one of those options doesn't end with me being marched off to a gulag...erm...adult "fun" camp??

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2016 01:59 PM (SeD0w)

207 Omar Mateen was taken off the list almost before he was put on it.

Posted by: conspiracy! at June 30, 2016 01:59 PM (jN+3o)

208 If Hillary wins everyone to the right of Mitt Romney is going on the terrorism watch list

*****

So, like 85-90% of the population, eh?
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 30, 2016 01:42 PM

Nah, only about 48%. 52% is generally right thinking or at least regrets and is willing to make up for their inherent white male privlege.

Posted by: 2008, 2010, 2012 and *soon* 2016 Elections at June 30, 2016 01:59 PM (71OEY)

209 Where the hell is Bander? I need a shoulder on which to weep.

There there, dear. You may rest your head on my shoulder.

The other things will fall where they may.

So, there will be due process for suspected terrorists. I believe I can guess how it will immediately be undone.

See, you're a suspected terrorist. We're investigating. If we tell you we're investigating it will spoil our investigation.

So there will be a backdoor denial of due process provision which will totally not be abused all the time.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 02:00 PM (1xUj/)

210 Oh: also on NPR, later in the day, listeners
were informed in those weird whispery NPR voices that the Istanbul
airport attacks were committed by "suicide bombers". With absolutely no
mention of *why* those individuals engaged in suicide bombing. Facepalm.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2016 01:51 PM (noWW6)
That'll backfire, just like omitting the race of a domestic criminal, when EVERYONE assumes he's black. Terrorist incident, everyone thinks MUSLIM unless established otherwise. Which it never is.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:00 PM (oKE6c)

211 I really do need to change the registration card because being associated with these epic failures isn't good and doesn't reflect on my eternally optimistic pessimism or something.

I need a party that wins. A party where everyone wears belt onions and likes boobs.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 30, 2016 02:00 PM (4ErVI)

212 203 Posted by: conspiracy! at June 30, 2016 01:58 PM (jN+3o)

Quite.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:00 PM (SzZnW)

213 Posted by: Kreplach at June 30, 2016 01:58 PM (jzUL/)

The Boston bombers.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at June 30, 2016 02:00 PM (ZVFID)

214 Pentagon Ends Ban on Transgender Troops in Military

http://tinyurl.com/zk33gsr

That's gonna be all that's left.. **shaking head**

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 30, 2016 02:00 PM (so+oy)

215 Ryan frequently makes himself look inept, like in his debate against Biden, or an idiot (pick any day as Speaker). I just hope he doesn't promote himself to actively "evil".

Posted by: MTF at June 30, 2016 02:00 PM (LISuA)

216 6 Gilbert and Sullivan had this pegged 120 years ago with "I've Got a Little List" from The Mikado, which is a satirical song about the government producing an enemies list without due process. Incredibly insightful!
Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2016 01:20 PM (jBuUi)

That's not really what the song was about.

Posted by: Kevin DuBrow at June 30, 2016 02:01 PM (bMcUX)

217

First Name Guy busy checking with his handlers on how to respond

First Name Guy you are going to have to be quicker than this

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:01 PM (zOTsN)

218 So who is bringing the sleeping bags?

Posted by: RGallegos at June 30, 2016 02:01 PM (wzqXF)

219 Ace... I fail to see how !conservative GOPe proposing gun control legislation for "suspected terrorists*" (rather than doing away with "gun free" zones which might make a difference during an actual terrorist attack carried out by actual terrorists)... a position Trump shares, along with many others with the GOPe BTW... makes you laugh at conservatives who think none of them are fit for office.

*"suspected terrorists" usually being defined by the FBI as TEA Party conservatives, preppers and the like.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 30, 2016 02:01 PM (3JA/M)

220 >>> I would like a clear cut definition on what a 'terrorist' is.
.....

Posted by: n* 2016 Elections at June 30, 2016 02:01 PM (71OEY)

221 By next week nobody will remember the Democrat sit in. Hell I don't think anyone remembers today. Brexit wiped that shit off the front page and from the memory of LIVs.

Ryan, by doing this is just reminding them once again, that oh yeah guns are bad man.

Fuck him.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 30, 2016 02:02 PM (0LHZx)

222 63
45 Wasn't it the Trump supporters that told everyone they didn't need
the other Republican primary voters to beat Hillary? Now it's the
NeverTrumpers that will usher the end of all things because Trump
suddenly needs their votes? Except what exactly is Trump doing to unify
and win back those voters?

........ hmmm?

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 01:28 PM (+a/VV)

I've made my case very clear lo these many weeks and months.

Fact: Donald Trump has very serious flaws, policy-wise being the most troubling.

Fact: Hilary Clinton is a despot-in-waiting and will finish the job the current momzer has started.

I cannot allow Hilary Clinton. I prefer a crapshoot longshot that is
Donald Trump. At least he does not have a hate on for the USA.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2016 01:32 PM (p4UlV)

From historical posting I would have thought you would be a definite NevahTrump. I see the points you make but for me the arguement to go with Trump is the positive condition of his impeacheability.
It is very easy to believe that there is a point that the constitutional order can be preserved by the Senate impeaching Trump if necessary. The Democrats would never vote to impeach Hillary, she�s only slightly less protected than Obama.Damage by Trump is repairable. Damage by Hillary is systemic and eternal.Trump may accidently do some things right. Hillary, like Obama, is set to destroy this country.

Posted by: Minuteman at June 30, 2016 02:02 PM (A3b6q)

223 To hear you people talk, it's like we won't be able to vote our way out of this.
Now I have the sadz.
Posted by: ScoggDog at June 30, 2016 01:45 PM(RKJF2)

Our last chance to do so was 2012. This is NOT "the most important election of our lifetimes", because there aren't going to be any more of those.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 30, 2016 02:02 PM (S2VsH)

224 this isn't hard:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Posted by: MTF at June 30, 2016 02:02 PM (LISuA)

225 I agree with everything in this post, except I don't understand the first sentence about why this shows something bad about conservatives who say they won't vote for Trump. I think this shows exactly why conservatives are wasting their time just voting blindly for whoever is running as a Republican. Yes, sure, Hillary is worse, blah, blah, blah. But that's not what this story was about. This was about Republican capitulation. Not sure how that is a stinging rebuke to conservatives abandoning the GOP.

Posted by: Matt at June 30, 2016 02:02 PM (TcePY)

226 Which, in my post above, I demand national reciprocity. Put this on and you can guarantee that whatever legislation it is attached to will not pass. Ever.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

Not a bad idea for a poison pill. I like the idea of only citizens having gun ownership rights or maybe refugees are also barred?

I don't want any of this, but I guess my fear is, these shooting will only continue and if the Left keeps pointing to "terrorists" getting guns legally, I'm afraid the country will turn on the 2nd Amendment more broadly, especially if these guys keep sailing through even though they are on various watch lists.

We know what's going to happen. Mohammed something or other is going to buy an AR-15 and shoot a bunch of people. Would be nice to point to the failure of the FBI or who we are letting in this country rather than talking about gun stores.

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 02:03 PM (8SBq4)

227 You're right, but people need a reason to vote for
someone, not simply because their vote will be against someone else.

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 01:52 PM (+a/VV)
Why?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:03 PM (oKE6c)

228 220 >>> I would like a clear cut definition on what a 'terrorist' is.
.....

Posted by: n* 2016 Elections at June 30, 2016 02:01 PM (71OEY)

____

Anyone who

a) is a registered Republican
or
b) owns a gun
or
c) once attended a tea party rally
or
d) attended a church service within the past 15 years

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 30, 2016 02:03 PM (0LHZx)

229 You cannot build a movement around being opposed to something, only being in support of something.

"We are standing athwart history, yelling 'STOP!'"
-Stupid shit Bill Buckley said

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2016 02:03 PM (SeD0w)

230 By next week nobody will remember the Democrat sit in.

Rush compared that to the Wellstone memorial, and I think he was right: it was a PR disaster. Their biggest hero looks like a toad molded from play-do and they looked stupid and awful, childish on the floor sitting there.

I know it gave old hippies joygasms at the memories of their youth, but it gave everyone else a creepy sense of disgust and contempt.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 02:03 PM (39g3+)

231 Bandersnatch and AlextheChick.... I'm speechless

https://youtu.be/1b_gmO7AJS4

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 02:04 PM (5a2rB)

232 They are not just patsies but also pansies.

Posted by: ting hung lo at June 30, 2016 02:04 PM (xZc4z)

233 There's too much potential for shenanigans in all of this, no sale.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 02:04 PM (CGjum)

234 >>>14 JUST THE TIP, AND NO MORE!!!
Posted by: Paul Ryan at June 30, 2016 01:21 PM (8ZskC)

_________________

Challenge - Accepted

Posted by: Lindsey Graham's EZ Access Underwear (the fly is in the back) at June 30, 2016 02:04 PM (10hEu)

235 "I cannot allow Hilary Clinton. I prefer a crapshoot longshot that is Donald Trump. At least he does not have a hate on for the USA."

Very true, but I think there is a difference now with Hilary. Obama is an ideological zealot. Leftism trumps all with him. Not that he doesn't like the power, money, and perks, but he truly does not like America. The power is a way for him to be the God that leads his followers to leftist utopia. He is a true Alinskyite warrior for the left.

OTOH, I'm coming to believe that Hilary has become so corrupt and jaded that for her, the money and power have become her raison d'etre. She would skip out on an sjw meeting with her acolytes in a heartbeat for another speaking fee or deposit in her favor bank from Google. Obama maybe not quite so much.

Posted by: RM at June 30, 2016 02:04 PM (U3LtS)

236 Republicans say potential terrorists can't buy weapons, but who gets to say who are the potential terrorists?

Posted by: Skip at June 30, 2016 02:04 PM (Yo9Lf)

237 First Name Guy busy checking with his handlers on how to respond

First Name Guy you are going to have to be quicker than this

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:01 PM (zOTsN)
I see you've noticed how often leftist trolls go simply by a given name. Odd, isn't it?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:04 PM (oKE6c)

238
By next week nobody will remember the Democrat sit in.

-----

So..... they seized control of a Federal building, refused to vacate the premises, and demand that their list of grievances be heard.

Good thing they didnt pull that shit in Oregon.

*spit*

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 02:04 PM (8XRCm)

239 So basically I agree with chupacabra

Posted by: Skip at June 30, 2016 02:05 PM (Yo9Lf)

240 "because they assume that they'll always be the ones in power to enforce them"

Till someone like Stalin shoots them they will. Everything I read says Khrushchev expected Stalin to have him killed at some point. That the guy who had Stalin poisoned was killed by Stalin's successors (who also thought Stalin would have them killed) because they thought he was crazy (and he may have been but he didn't just wait for Stalin to order his execution).

Posted by: conspiracy! at June 30, 2016 02:05 PM (jN+3o)

241 224
this isn't hard:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed.

Posted by: MTF at June 30, 2016 02:02 PM (LISuA)

Sure it is - for the left.They see the word "regulated" and they immediately glom on its current day meaning. They don't look into historical context.
Case in point. Tell a liberal that you are going to go outside and smoke a fag. Watch their reaction.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 02:05 PM (jxbfJ)

242 Yeah William F. Buckley's movement really built up didn't it? *Looks around at a fundamentally transformed America*

You have to give people something to rally around to accomplish or fight for, not just fight against. Just saying "stop" or "no" is not enough to motivate real passion and action. The Tea Party movement lasted, what, 6 months?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 02:06 PM (39g3+)

243 220 >>> I would like a clear cut definition on what a 'terrorist' is.
=============================

Criminals lose many civil rights. When someone is tried and convicted of a crime, like terrorism, that adjudicated criminal expects to lose rights citizens normally possess.

There is a law, there are trials, there is a legal process.

Just giving government agents the right to deprive a citizen of civil rights doesn't just violate the second amendment, its also a remarkably clear due process violation.

The mere fact the Congress is considering this legislation should offend all citizens.

Posted by: MTF at June 30, 2016 02:06 PM (LISuA)

244
Serious hypothetical question:

Would this awful bill be worth it, IF AND ONLY IF it was enough to cause Paul "Forever Flaccid" Ryan to lose his primary race?

Posted by: TeamRawDog at June 30, 2016 02:07 PM (10hEu)

245 The mere fact the Congress is considering this legislation should offend all citizens.

Posted by: MTF at June 30, 2016 02:06 PM

Yep, it should.

Posted by: Flower Garland at June 30, 2016 02:07 PM (byC4T)

246 The secret, Skip, is to sip the goat, not suck on it.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 02:07 PM (CGjum)

247 I agree with everything in this post, except I don't understand the first sentence about why this shows something bad about conservatives who say they won't vote for Trump. I think this shows exactly why conservatives are wasting their time just voting blindly for whoever is running as a Republican. Yes, sure, Hillary is worse, blah, blah, blah. But that's not what this story was about. This was about Republican capitulation. Not sure how that is a stinging rebuke to conservatives abandoning the GOP.

Posted by: Matt at June 30, 2016 02:02 PM (TcePY)

hello First Name Guy

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:07 PM (zOTsN)

248 Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 02:04 PM (8XRCm)

My nomination for <b>post of the day.</b>

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 30, 2016 02:07 PM (S2VsH)

249 Yeah the FNGs are also on the list.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 02:08 PM (5a2rB)

250 Oh, wtf tags am I supposed to use, then?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 30, 2016 02:08 PM (S2VsH)

251 You cannot build a movement around being opposed to something, only being in support of something.

Semantics. Brexit? Was it only opposed to the EU? Yes. Was it in support of opposing the EU? Yes.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:08 PM (oKE6c)

252 Sure it is - for the left.They see the word "regulated" and they immediately glom on its current day meaning.

------

Yep... regulated meant well trained and disciplined. Its also why professional soldiers were called "regulars".

NOT because they had predictable BM's.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 02:08 PM (8XRCm)

253 Uh oh. I'm starting to hear reports that the NSA has hacked Santa Claus' servers and tapped into the Good and Naughty file.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 30, 2016 02:08 PM (NeFrd)

254 Ryan is fleeting, but laws are forever.

Well, until the burning times, anyways.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 02:08 PM (CGjum)

255 "Now in theory, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a bill that blocks suspected terrorists from buying guns"

So the Second Amendment no longer exists even in theory?

Posted by: FaCubeItches at June 30, 2016 02:09 PM (rznWS)

256 Oh, wtf tags am I supposed to use, then?

[ ]

Square brackets.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:09 PM (mf0wg)

257 "If this election comes down to 'vote for me because I'm not her' then there are other options for voters."

At this point I would vote for Zombie Ed Gein on an "I'm not her" ticket.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2016 02:09 PM (noWW6)

258 Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 02:08 PM (CGjum)

Laws are forever, but enforcing them is provisional, depending on the sovereign.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 30, 2016 02:10 PM (S2VsH)

259 hello First Name Guy

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:07 PM (zOTsN)
Yep. Got another one. You'd think they'd choose more evocative names, e.g., "Vladimir," "Karl," "Fidel," "Jong Un," "Pol," something like that.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:10 PM (oKE6c)

260 "Because, you see, I have a sneaking suspicion that the list of terror organizations will be prepared by the Southern Poverty Law Center."

Perfect. Says it all.

Posted by: RM at June 30, 2016 02:10 PM (U3LtS)

261 thanks, rickb223.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 30, 2016 02:10 PM (S2VsH)

262 It's almost like the GOP is trying to blow the election. If they piss off the base what good will that do?

The GOP as it exists now must be smashed as they are actively working against their supporters on an issue that really is the hill to die on. This was dying down and now these fucking morons have resurrected it.

Posted by: Motorhead at June 30, 2016 02:11 PM (HqzLX)

263

I think DOD is reasoning that any trans with additional mental health issues will wash out before the 18 months are up

I dont. I mean they will do things that would get other people kicked out, but it wont be used against them. Especially in the medical field

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:11 PM (zOTsN)

264 So how quickly will Rusty Nail be sent to The Barrel for his new found tag prowess?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 02:11 PM (5a2rB)

265 252
Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 02:08 PM (8XRCm)

And forget them understanding the simple phrase "shall not be infringed."

They stopped reading the 2nd Amendment when they saw "...free state...." and started having wet dreams about all the free shit they can get - obamaphones etc.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 02:11 PM (jxbfJ)

266 252 Sure it is - for the left.They see the word "regulated" and they immediately glom on its current day meaning.

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Yep... regulated meant well trained and disciplined. Its also why professional soldiers were called "regulars".

NOT because they had predictable BM's.

Because history didn't exist more than two years ago....

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:11 PM (mf0wg)

267 Laws are forever, but enforcing them is provisional, depending on the sovereign.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 30, 2016 02:10 PM

I have the feeling that's how it's going to be from now on.

Posted by: Skip at June 30, 2016 02:11 PM (Yo9Lf)

268 255 "Now in theory, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a bill that blocks suspected terrorists from buying guns"

So the Second Amendment no longer exists even in theory?
Posted by: FaCubeItches at June 30, 2016 02:09 PM (rznWS)

"But don't you see Smithers, the 2nd Ammendment is so bourgeois. How will it look to Muffy and her Democrat betters if we support this redneck crap?"

Posted by: Iblis at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (9221z)

269 264 So how quickly will Rusty Nail be sent to The Barrel for his new found tag prowess?

#twoweeks!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (mf0wg)

270 The way the elites are responding to Brexit, this might be the last election period.

Semantics. Brexit? Was it only opposed to the EU? Yes. Was it in support of opposing the EU? Yes.

It was for England that people rallied, not particularly against the EU that was their primary motivation. They were like John Cleese looking around at their nation going "what the hell happened??" and wanting to save their culture and chart their own destiny. That's a positive.

People need something to support and be passionate about, more than just "not that."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (39g3+)

271 "President Hillary thanks you for your support.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2016 01:32 PM (8ZskC)"

I think you mean President Hillary thanks Trump and his supporters for their support. What with Trump donating money to her, and helping her get elected this year by knocking out all the other candidates.

Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (jTy8z)

272 One thing clear from the second amendment is that the States are the only power who might remotely have an argument for depriving citizens of a 2a right. Congress has zero authority to do this.

I wish Vic were here, because he is very good on this subject.

Posted by: MTF at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (LISuA)

273
Semantics. Brexit? Was it only opposed to the EU? Yes. Was it in support of opposing the EU? Yes.

I would say it was a vote for the idea of self determination

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (lKyWE)

274 Yep. Got another one. You'd think they'd choose more evocative names, e.g., "Vladimir," "Karl," "Fidel," "Jong Un," "Pol," something like that.

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Yeah.... just like customer service reps in India.

"Hello. My name is Clarence. How can I. Help you today. Sir?"

No... liar... your name aint Clarence.... its Inctar Vinkatesh and I want to speak to an American.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (8XRCm)

275 So how quickly will Rusty Nail be sent to The Barrel for his new found tag prowess?

Just putting "wtf" and "tags" in close proximity is tempting fate...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (9krrF)

276 ...Would this awful bill be worth it, IF AND ONLY IF it was enough to cause Paul "Forever Flaccid" Ryan to lose his primary race?...

Ryan scheduled this to protect his ass. Remember in 1984 when it is revealed Big Brother controls the resistance. There isn't a Republican party worth the name in Wisconsin. Just a big Democratic Party and a little democratic party.

Posted by: conspiracy! at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (rnH8X)

277 I would like the no-fly list to be made public. I would like to know if I'm on the list. I would like an opportunity to clear my name, if I'm on it. If I remain on it, I would like an attorney provided to me so I can take my case before a judge.

Constitutional rights should not be denied without the person being able to face their accuser, know the charge, and allowed a defense.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (dFi94)

278 I'm pricing homes to rent in the Isle of Man. 20% tax rate, here I come.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:13 PM (Dxa+Y)

279 I thought the barrel only happened when you tried to use tags on your sock. Don't tell me posts don't close all tags automatically (oh, dear).

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 30, 2016 02:13 PM (S2VsH)

280 Most of the GOP are fans of civil forfeiture and NSA spying, so I don't think the due process issue is going to be their hill to die on

The Dems will let them throw in an earmark for a GOP congressman to have the fuel pumps for the F-35 made, so WINZ ALL AROUND!

Posted by: kbdabear at June 30, 2016 02:13 PM (aqU0U)

281 There isn't a Republican party worth the name in Wisconsin. Just a big Democratic Party and a little democratic party.

Posted by: conspiracy! at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (rnH8X)
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Oh please.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:13 PM (dFi94)

282 started having wet dreams about all the free shit they can get - obamaphones etc.

GENERAL WELFARE !!!!!!

Posted by: LIV's everywhere at June 30, 2016 02:13 PM (TQxRy)

283 So Mittens wants to write his wife's name in when he votes for POTUS.

This is the a-hole we were told to hold our noses and vote for. Principled conservatives told us to.

I'd like to retroactively retract my nose-held vote please.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at June 30, 2016 02:14 PM (WlGX+)

284 So, there will be due process for suspected terrorists. I believe I can guess how it will immediately be undone.

See, you're a suspected terrorist. We're investigating. If we tell you we're investigating it will spoil our investigation.

So there will be a backdoor denial of due process provision which will totally not be abused all the time.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 02:00 PM (1xUj/)

That's so cynical that is exactly what will happen.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 30, 2016 02:14 PM (mf5HN)

285 I think you mean President Hillary thanks Trump and his supporters for their support. What with Trump donating money to her, and helping her get elected this year by knocking out all the other candidates.

Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (jTy8z)

much better effort. Adding the last name was a nice touch, plus the historical reference

I give you Five Stars, First Name Guy

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:14 PM (zOTsN)

286 281 Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:13 PM (dFi94)

If Paul Ryan were a democrat mole what would he be doing differently?

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:14 PM (SzZnW)

287 Yep... regulated meant well trained and disciplined. Its also why professional soldiers were called "regulars".
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And it's why armed men were often called "regulators" in the vernacular of the time.

Posted by: MTF at June 30, 2016 02:15 PM (LISuA)

288 "I'd like to retroactively retract my nose-held vote please.
"

I ended up having a baby on Election Day so was absolved of any nose holding. The outcome did, however, dampen the mood.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:15 PM (Dxa+Y)

289 >>> I would like a clear cut definition on what a 'terrorist' is.
.....

THIS.

This is exactly the root of the problem. The official line, According to the federal government there is no such thing as Islamic Terrorism and all former groups that thrived under the evil Bush and Cheney regime are insignificant and/ or "on the run" and/ or completely unaffiliated with the "Religon of Peace"

According to the updated manuals and guidelines since 2008, "terrorists" and "extremists" can be identified by owning/ displaying American flags, affiliation with any group with "Tea Party", "Conservative", "God", "Freedom", "Independence", or similar words in their name, literature, or affiliated membership.

If you are a responsible owner of a firearm of any kind and have never broken any law, you are an imminent threat. If people are reporting you to the FBI for making specific threats against people and groups on the basis of your religion or affiliation with certain "JV teams" or similar foreign groups, you are not a threat and above suspicion.

Think I'm exaggerating? Look at who the IRS, DHS, FBI, and other government agencies have on their lists and are targeting with new laws and reinterpretation of old laws and who have been "investigated and dismissed"... but end up committing mass murder.

Posted by: Damiano at June 30, 2016 02:15 PM (71OEY)

290 So I'm a leftist because I think the G0P is a joke that always screws over conservatives? What a train wreck. Next time I'll use a different name that isn't just somebody's first name, because that's what all the cool "real conservatives" do, I guess.

Posted by: Matt at June 30, 2016 02:15 PM (TcePY)

291 Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (jTy8z)

much better effort. Adding the last name was a nice touch, plus the historical reference Posted by: ThunderB

*****

Even so, it used two first names. I'm going to have to rate this one a "fail".

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 30, 2016 02:16 PM (NeFrd)

292 So it's the battle of the one names today.... oh ... wait....

Posted by: donna at June 30, 2016 02:16 PM (O2RFr)

293 272
One thing clear from the second amendment is that the States are the
only power who might remotely have an argument for depriving citizens of
a 2a right. Congress has zero authority to do this.

I wish Vic were here, because he is very good on this subject.

Posted by: MTF at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (LISuA)
Some states, like NH have it in their Constitution:

[Art.] 2. [Natural Rights.] All men have certain
natural, essential, and inherent rights - among which are, the enjoying
and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing, and protecting,
property; and, in a word, of seeking and obtaining happiness. Equality
of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by this state on
account of race, creed, color, sex or national origin.

June 2, 1784

Amended 1974 adding sentence to prohibit discrimination.

[Art.] 2-a. [The Bearing of Arms.] All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 02:16 PM (jxbfJ)

294 Where the hell is Bander? I need a shoulder on which to weep.

If it pleases the Empress to remain standing, may I offer my hip?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 30, 2016 02:16 PM (YEelc)

295 I'm sad to know I'm no true Scotsman.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:17 PM (Dxa+Y)

296 Will the abandonment of your most sacred rights tend to the security of your liberty? Liberty, the greatest of all earthly blessings give us that precious jewel, and you may take every thing else! Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel.

Posted by: Patrick Henry hates Paul Ryan too at June 30, 2016 02:17 PM (LISuA)

297 "The Dems will let them throw in an earmark for a GOP congressman to have the fuel pumps for the F-35 made, so WINZ ALL AROUND!"

Since the F-35 Faceplant is having ongoing trouble -- absurdly at this very late date in the program -- with simply booting up the jet's computers to allow it to take off, the fuel pumps they've got are not experiencing much wear.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2016 02:17 PM (noWW6)

298 I ended up having a baby on Election Day so was absolved of any nose holding. The outcome did, however, dampen the mood.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:15 PM (Dxa+Y)
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I had a hysterectomy the day George H.W. the Senior Bush was elected. I asked for and received an absentee ballot. They might have dumped it in the cafeteria trash can for all I know, but I did vote.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:17 PM (dFi94)

299 "You cannot build a movement around being opposed to something, only being in support of something."

Slavery???

Racial discrimination???

Seems the most successful movements have been opposed.

Posted by: ??? at June 30, 2016 02:17 PM (jN+3o)

300 I'm sure that Alec Baldwin can have guns and won't be on any No Fly Lists since he apologized for threatening to blow up the plane if his drink wasn't cold and apologized to the flight attendant for calling him a fucking queen.

Posted by: kbdabear at June 30, 2016 02:18 PM (aqU0U)

301 *pauses in thought*

Terrorist - a person or persons who are engaged in or support activities that seek to overthrow a country's duly empowered government.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 02:18 PM (5a2rB)

302 I think you mean President Hillary thanks Trump and
his supporters for their support. What with Trump donating money to her,
and helping her get elected this year by knocking out all the other
candidates.

Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (jTy8z)
None of whom ever had a dog's chance of getting elected. None.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:18 PM (oKE6c)

303 This is nothing more than an election year stunt. Getting Dems on record as supporting more gun control (except those in rural States) and letting Republicans vote against stupid bills.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 30, 2016 02:18 PM (iONHu)

304 So I'm a leftist because I think the G0P is a joke that always screws over conservatives? What a train wreck. Next time I'll use a different name that isn't just somebody's first name, because that's what all the cool "real conservatives" do, I guess.
Posted by: Matt at June 30, 2016 02:15 PM (TcePY)

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CONCERN STATUS:

[X] Noted
[ ] Not Noted

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 02:18 PM (8XRCm)

305 The problem is that the due process safeguards would give suspected terrorists an avenue to discover what the government has on them and if they are being watched. A jihadi who might be being secretly watched who is turned down for a firearm purchase could use the due process system to ascertain why hes being watched, what hes done that the government is aware of. The idea of islamophobia can also be a factor then a firearm sale is denied due to a protected class, or due to religion.

Posted by: infidel2 at June 30, 2016 02:18 PM (xR+Jh)

306 ". I asked for and received an absentee ballot. They might have dumped it in the cafeteria trash can for all I know, but I did vote."

I made the mistake of not asking for one ahead of time. I thought it wouldn't be a problem, but the little stinker came 4 weeks early.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:19 PM (Dxa+Y)

307 I see you've noticed how often leftist trolls go simply by a given name. Odd, isn't it?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:04 PM (oKE6c)

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It takes a bit of time to go through 100 messages that have been posted since I last checked the page. Sorry that I'm not constantly hitting refresh and breathlessly waiting for you and Thunder to respond to my brilliant opinions.

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 02:19 PM (+a/VV)

308 Next time I'll use a different name that isn't just
somebody's first name, because that's what all the cool "real
conservatives" do, I guess.

Posted by: Matt at June 30, 2016 02:15 PM (TcePY)
Now you're getting it.

Posted by: George Soros at June 30, 2016 02:19 PM (oKE6c)

309

Matt, meet Sean, Carl and Patrick. Guys, meet Matt

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:19 PM (zOTsN)

310 I think you mean President Hillary thanks Trump and
his supporters for their support. What with Trump donating money to her,
and helping her get elected this year by knocking out all the other
candidates.

Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (jTy8z)

much better effort. Adding the last name was a nice touch, plus the historical reference

I give you Five Stars, First Name Guy

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:14 PM (zOTsN)

That is such a cogent counterargument, ThunderB... I am sure Patrick Henry feels absolutely withered.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 30, 2016 02:20 PM (3JA/M)

311 I think you mean President Hillary thanks Trump and his supporters for their support. What with Trump donating money to her, and helping her get elected this year by knocking out all the other candidates.

Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at June 30, 2016 02:12 PM (jTy8z)

Are you the Patrick Henry? You know, the one whose motto is, "Give me puberty, or give me death."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2016 02:20 PM (GSdpU)

312 . I thought it wouldn't be a problem, but the little stinker came 4 weeks early.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:19 PM (Dxa+Y)
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Kids. What CAN'T they mess up?

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:20 PM (dFi94)

313 If it pleases the Empress to remain standing, may I offer my hip?
Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 30, 2016 02:16 PM (YEelc)

*narrows eyes*

I sees your tricksy ways.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 30, 2016 02:20 PM (mf5HN)

314
Yeah?

Well fuck you guys too.

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at June 30, 2016 02:20 PM (8XRCm)

315 One thing clear from the second amendment is that the States are the only power who might remotely have an argument for depriving citizens of a 2a right.

Congress has zero authority to do this.

See NFA '34 & CGA '68.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:20 PM (mf0wg)

316 Since the F-35 program started in 1986, we can hope they sorted out the fuel pumps at least.

And as for my attempt at a definition, probably should clarify things because that sucker is pretty well nigh carte blanche to go after anyone, even the Amish.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 02:20 PM (5a2rB)

317 290 So I'm a leftist because I think the G0P is a joke that always screws over conservatives? What a train wreck. Next time I'll use a different name that isn't just somebody's first name, because that's what all the cool "real conservatives" do, I guess.
Posted by: Matt at June 30, 2016 02:15 PM (TcePY)
==================

Carl's concerns were noted as well.

Posted by: willy at June 30, 2016 02:20 PM (Ffw22)

318 Supervisor must have told First Name Guys to get snarky and aggressive

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:20 PM (zOTsN)

319 NeverTrump = DeathofAmerica

That is a guarantee.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2016 01:26 PM (p4UlV)

So only Trump can save us, is that right? Hyperbole much? Not exactly a NeverTrump guy since I'll pull the lever for him just as I did for other surefire losers such as McCain and Romney, but I can understand why there are NeverTrump guys.

Seems to me your job as a bigtime Trump supporter would be to persuade the NeverTrump holdouts that your guy isn't a slimy, demagogic piece of shit no better than Hillary. Accusing them ofmurdering the Republic if they don't go along maybe isn't such a sound approach.

Posted by: troyriser at June 30, 2016 02:21 PM (cCEFD)

320 Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 02:16 PM (jxbfJ)
=======================

Thank you LGBT. The NH Constitution refers to defending the "State". The Progressives would have you believe they mean all government, as in Machiavelli.

It refers to New Hampshire, obviously. And possible enemies the authors worried about would include the House of Representatives.

Posted by: MTF at June 30, 2016 02:21 PM (LISuA)

321 A jihadi who might be being secretly watched who is turned down for a firearm purchase could use the due process system to ascertain why hes being watched, what hes done that the government is aware of.

Yes, I already got paranoid about this at #209.

There will be backdoor denial of due process provisions for just this case and they will be abused.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 02:21 PM (1xUj/)

322 Republicans say potential terrorists can't buy weapons, but who gets to say who are the potential terrorists?
Posted by: Skip
..............
Then, let terrorists buy weapons..

WTF is so hard to understand about this?

You can't have both.. you can only put in as good a list of protections as you can.. but if you want to keep guns out of the hands of known terrorists.. or those being watched, you're gonna have some people mistakenly put on the list.

Deal with it.. or don't and we'll let everyone get guns.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 30, 2016 02:21 PM (so+oy)

323 Will the abandonment of your most sacred rights tend to the security of your liberty? Liberty, the greatest of all earthly blessings give us that precious jewel, and you may take every thing else! Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel.

Sadly, we as Americans dropped that ball like 100 years ago.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 02:21 PM (39g3+)

324 It takes a bit of time to go through 100 messages
that have been posted since I last checked the page. Sorry that I'm not
constantly hitting refresh and breathlessly waiting for you and Thunder
to respond to my brilliant opinions.

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 02:19 PM (+a/VV)
"Matt," help this comrade out. He's a little slow on the uptake.

Posted by: George Soros at June 30, 2016 02:21 PM (oKE6c)

325 One name bad.

four names good

Posted by: Flower Garland Hanging Tree at June 30, 2016 02:21 PM (byC4T)

326 It's strange witnessing someone's split personalities leak out onto the screen.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:22 PM (Dxa+Y)

327 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2016 02:20 PM (GSdpU)

*****

Snort!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 30, 2016 02:22 PM (NeFrd)

328 The Great White Scotsman at June 30, 2016 02:18 PM (iONHu)

Speaking of election year stunts...

RE: Trannies for Uncle Sammie

And here I thought mental instability was a dis-qualifier for military service.

Silly me...

Posted by: CPT. Charles at June 30, 2016 02:22 PM (ry4ab)

329 Posted by: redbanzai at June 30, 2016 02:20 PM (3JA/M)

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Hey!!!! Welcome Back Kotter!!!!

We missed you and Joe at the "TRUMP leads HILLARY in Latest Poll" thread.

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at June 30, 2016 02:22 PM (8XRCm)

330 >>> 301 *pauses in thought*

Terrorist - a person or persons who are engaged in or support activities that seek to overthrow a country's duly empowered government.
.....

Is the a sign up sheet?

In my own defense, I would dispute the "duly empowered" part, since not a single person in government has functioned within his/ her authority or upheld their oath the "preserve, protect, and defend" the Constitution is quite some time.

Posted by: Damiano, Now a Terrorist at June 30, 2016 02:22 PM (71OEY)

331 ...how did I get "u" and "i" confused on a keyboard? I know they are right next to each other, but... I need to take a break.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 02:22 PM (39g3+)

332 Meet them 1/2 way and introduce a bill preventing Democrats from buying guns...step up Dems.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at June 30, 2016 02:22 PM (y0szH)

333 According to the updated manuals and guidelines since 2008, "terrorists" and "extremists" can be identified by owning/ displaying American flags, affiliation with any group with "Tea Party", "Conservative", "God", "Freedom", "Independence", or similar words in their name, literature, or affiliated membership.

Posted by: Damiano at June 30, 2016 02:15 PM (71OEY)

They should trick the left by calling themselves names like "Peoples Liberation Defense League" and the government and MSM would not only insist they be allowed guns, they'd insist that they be allowed to use them mostly peacefully in riots

Posted by: kbdabear at June 30, 2016 02:22 PM (aqU0U)

334 None of whom ever had a dog's chance of getting elected. None.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:18 PM (oKE6c)

Obviously, a lot of people (even most of the people) disagreed with that statement.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 30, 2016 02:22 PM (3JA/M)

335 Gun companies are evil and I have proof. I went to the gun range to shoot today and when I got done I walked over to the LE/Military discount counter and lo and behold there was a new Sig P238 Nitron with 3 magazines for $560.00.

They forced me to buy that gun!!!!!.....

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 30, 2016 02:23 PM (iONHu)

336 but if you want to keep guns out of the hands of known terrorists

The poor oppressed peoples of Chicago are freedom fighters, not terrorists.

Posted by: Flower Garland Hanging Tree at June 30, 2016 02:23 PM (byC4T)

337 309 Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:19 PM (zOTsN)
==========================

Oh, the guys already know each other. They sit a couple of chairs apart in the social media war room.

Posted by: MTF at June 30, 2016 02:23 PM (LISuA)

338 I wouldn't call JJ a big time trump supporter. That dude calling Cruz's dad a commie a few thread back was a big time trump supporter...

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:23 PM (Dxa+Y)

339 *narrows eyes*

I sees your tricksy ways.

Foiled again!

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 30, 2016 02:24 PM (YEelc)

340 290 So I'm a leftist because I think the G0P is a joke that always screws over conservatives? What a train wreck. Next time I'll use a different name that isn't just somebody's first name, because that's what all the cool "real conservatives" do, I guess.
Posted by: Matt at June 30, 2016 02:15 PM (TcePY)

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Didn't you get the memo? Anyone who isn't solidly behind Trump is a leftist. You're either with them or against them... I think I heard that somewhere before. There is no middle ground, they don't need to convince you, their chosen warrior has no need for you nor does he need to make a persuasive argument to win your vote. Voting isn't something you need to think about, you just vote for Trump, that's how this works.

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 02:24 PM (+a/VV)

341 None of whom ever had a dog's chance of getting elected. None.

I have to disagree with that one... Many of them were polling very well over Hillary!.. That's water under the bridge now and Trump is it warts and all.... It's either Him or Hillary.... Take your pick...

Posted by: donna at June 30, 2016 02:24 PM (O2RFr)

342 Obviously, a lot of people (even most of the people) disagreed with that statement.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 30, 2016 02:22 PM (3JA/M)
Not including a majority of the electorate, though, unfortunately.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:24 PM (oKE6c)

343 *shoves through the Internets for the Empress some Tim-Bits*

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 02:25 PM (5a2rB)

344 I have no problem listening to what newcomers might have to say. I remember giving JackStraw a horrible load of crap when he started posting here. I thought for sure he was a troll. Well, could be he's greenish and quite short, but turns out he was no troll. Just someone with a different point of view that didn't speak the exact words that the rest of the 99 of us speak. He's actually quite thoughtful and pleasant, and I feel badly for behaving like a poop to him.

If you tell him I said this, I shall deny it.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:25 PM (dFi94)

345 Hey!!!! Welcome Back Kotter!!!!

We missed you and Joe at the "TRUMP leads HILLARY in Latest Poll" thread.

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at June 30, 2016 02:22 PM (8XRCm)

I was trying to be a gentlewoman by not pointing out that neither one of them should be crowing with those poll numbers

Posted by: redbanzai at June 30, 2016 02:25 PM (3JA/M)

346 Sneaky ryno ryan put this out late in the week before a busy holiday weekend and will run a vote on a busy holiday week when not as many are paying attention.

Posted by: willy at June 30, 2016 02:25 PM (Ffw22)

347 Has it been mentioned yet that criminals get their weapons illegally if they can't get them legally!?

WTF, why is the NRA not pounding the podium about this?

It's the wrong argument to be making; the terms have been defined by the Dems and it's been fallen for by the GOP and NRA.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 02:25 PM (CGjum)

348 319
So only Trump can save us, is that right?

Not speaking for JJ, but NO. Trump isn't going to save us. He will do less harm.

Not a fan of Trump either. But I'll rot in hell before I pull the lever for that lying scrunt of a former SOS.

We all have to get our arms around the fact that Shrillary very likely could be the next POTUS. And let that sink in for a while. What can we do to keep that from happening?

I too am tired of holding my nose when I vote. But the alternative should frighten each of us to our core.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 02:25 PM (jxbfJ)

349 I have to disagree with that one... Many of them were polling very well over Hillary!.. That's water under the bridge now and Trump is it warts and all.... It's either Him or Hillary.... Take your pick...
Posted by: donna at June 30, 2016 02:24 PM (O2RFr)

Fair enough. I didn't think any of them had a chance. Sure, polling well beforehand is great, but I don't think any of them would have been able to stand up against the MSM. Cruz included. In fact, Cruz especially. I like his positions, I just thought he was a non-hacker.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:26 PM (oKE6c)

350 340 Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 02:24 PM (+a/VV)

You know, this is like the optical trick where an infinite number of Axelturfers show up in a series of mirror images.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:26 PM (SzZnW)

351 Simmer down, Greenwald.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:26 PM (Dxa+Y)

352 You can't have both.. you can only put in as good a list of protections as you can..

but if you want to keep guns out of the hands of known terrorists..

Why the fuck do we let known terrorists STAY IN THIS COUNTRY??

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:26 PM (mf0wg)

353 Rickb223 - because the TSA is too busy doing reach arounds

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 02:27 PM (5a2rB)

354 >>>>>>You can't have both.. you can only put in as good a list of protections as you can..

but if you want to keep guns out of the hands of known terrorists..

Why the fuck do we let known terrorists STAY IN THIS COUNTRY??
.
.
.
.
.Because.....Racist!

Posted by: The MSM at June 30, 2016 02:27 PM (iONHu)

355 Our rep is a fucking Democrat. Colorado, not Denver, but the district includes Boulder, Ft Collins, Longmont, and Vail.

So there is no one I can call.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at June 30, 2016 02:27 PM (U6f54)

356 I for one believe the points raised by Matt and Sean are worthy of serious concern.

Posted by: Concerned at June 30, 2016 02:27 PM (WlGX+)

357 Cruz included. In fact, Cruz especially. I like his positions, I just thought he was a non-hacker

I was also wary of Cruz but once He was the only one left I went with Him...... Now it's exceedingly hard for Me to vote for Trump but I will because Hillary is a nightmare....

Posted by: donna at June 30, 2016 02:28 PM (O2RFr)

358 Why the fuck do we let known terrorists STAY IN THIS COUNTRY??
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:26 PM (mf0wg)

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You know..... sometimes Ms Lynch reams me out for highlighting certain golden nuggets in the transcripts I submit with my reports.

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at June 30, 2016 02:28 PM (8XRCm)

359 Is the a sign up sheet?

In my own defense, I would dispute the "duly empowered" part, since
not a single person in government has functioned within his/ her
authority or upheld their oath the "preserve, protect, and defend" the
Constitution is quite some time.

Posted by: Damiano, Now a Terrorist at June 30, 2016 02:22 PM (71OEY)

If this be treason, make the most of it because I am with Damiano.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 30, 2016 02:28 PM (3JA/M)

360 Fair enough. I didn't think any of them had a chance. Sure, polling well beforehand is great, but I don't think any of them would have been able to stand up against the MSM. Cruz included.

If they were so great, why couldn't they bleed off some of that support and get them to the primary polls for a win?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:28 PM (mf0wg)

361 Didn't you get the memo? Anyone who isn't solidly behind Trump is a leftist. You're either with them or against them... I think I heard that somewhere before. There is no middle ground, they don't need to convince you, their chosen warrior has no need for you nor does he need to make a persuasive argument to win your vote. Voting isn't something you need to think about, you just vote for Trump, that's how this works.
Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 02:24 PM (+a/VV)

For Christ's sake, how many times did we tell you - you're there to stir up shit among the patriotic Americans, and try to turn them against each other, not turn them against you.

First going with the given name, then this. You're on probation.

Posted by: George Soros at June 30, 2016 02:28 PM (oKE6c)

362 So I'm a leftist because I think the G0P is a joke that always screws over conservatives?

Every thread that includes Trump here has a flood of drive-by's, fake "concerned conservatives," and brand new people posting for the first time filled with fear of Trump trying to convince people to not vote for him.

Not all of them are moles or operatives of the Clinton camp, not all of them are paid blog commenters from Organizing For America. But enough are that it makes people here very leery.

I've found the best way to join a new forum or comment the first time is to be friendly, fun, and contributive, not attacking the blog owner or mocking people's beliefs.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 02:28 PM (39g3+)

363 This would be wonderful. I cannot wait to watch the mfm masturbate as they credit those unemployable pieces of shit who sat on the floor eating pizza.

Posted by: Jimmy Q Rustler DDS at June 30, 2016 02:28 PM (IxJw5)

364 I knew they were going to squish on this. Democrats could have passed this when they were in power if they really cared about it, but they knew the political damage they would have to take and wisely tabled the issue. Why should they stick out their necks when they can always gaslight the Republicans into doing it for them? The stupid party falls for it every time.

Posted by: Socratease at June 30, 2016 02:28 PM (FqHs5)

365 Why the fuck do we let known terrorists STAY IN THIS COUNTRY??

Because they run all the feed and grain stores, and the PTAs, and we need firemen and loggers and long haul truckers and waitresses.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 02:28 PM (1xUj/)

366 "Why the fuck do we let known terrorists STAY IN THIS COUNTRY??"

I think a lot of known terrorists on the list aren't in the country, but its wise to have them on the list so they would raise flags.

I don't think actual known terrorists are allowed to roam freely, except for Bill Ayers.

Posted by: Harun at June 30, 2016 02:29 PM (dZQh7)

367

all the guys are First Name Guys (Sean, Carl, Matt, Patrick, Greg)

all the ladies are Flowers (petunia, begonia,....)

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:29 PM (zOTsN)

368 You know..... sometimes Ms Lynch reams me out for highlighting certain
golden nuggets in the transcripts I submit with my reports.

I was going to ask if this was strictly verbal, then decided I didn't want to know if it wasn't.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 30, 2016 02:29 PM (YEelc)

369 Didn't you get the memo? Anyone who isn't solidly behind Trump is a leftist. You're either with them or against them..
==========================

What horseshit. I call Trump a Democrat all the time here. Nobody calls me a lefty. I support Trump only because I am solidly "not Don Corleone Clinton". So, cut the bullshit.

Posted by: MTF at June 30, 2016 02:29 PM (LISuA)

370 Anyone expressing an opinion contrary to the Mean Girls' Club here is a filthy troll. Paid for by George Soros and Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 30, 2016 02:30 PM (T/5A0)

371 Basically
Because it will be no longer safe to buy a firearm
Everyone will just make them

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at June 30, 2016 02:30 PM (WoTr5)

372 Why the fuck do we let known terrorists STAY IN THIS COUNTRY??

And illegal aliens sucking up all our resources... The answer.... Barack Hussein Obama....

Posted by: donna at June 30, 2016 02:30 PM (O2RFr)

373 Why the fuck do we let known terrorists STAY IN THIS COUNTRY??
.
.
.
.
.Because.....Racist!

What race is terrorist?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:30 PM (mf0wg)

374 You know, this is like the optical trick where an infinite number of Axelturfers show up in a series of mirror images.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:26 PM (SzZnW

I'm waiting for them to start arguing with each other. Hillary/Bernie, Ginger/MaryAnn, Stalin/Trotsky kind of catfight.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:30 PM (oKE6c)

375 Guess no one clicked on link in #231... oh well.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 02:31 PM (5a2rB)

376 Gun companies are evil and I have proof. I went to the gun range to shoot today and when I got done I walked over to the LE/Military discount counter and lo and behold there was a new Sig P238 Nitron with 3 magazines for $560.00.

They forced me to buy that gun!!!!!.....
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 30, 2016 02:23 PM (iONHu)

As the (late, lamented) BFF would say I'm made of awesome, not stone!

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 30, 2016 02:31 PM (mf5HN)

377 370 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 30, 2016 02:30 PM (T/5A0)

If a person's first 200 posts are a paint by numbers OFA water color I'm certain it is juts coincidence...just like the Che Che formula posters from 2008.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:31 PM (SzZnW)

378
Not speaking for JJ, but NO. Trump isn't going to save us. He will do less harm.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 02:25 PM (jxbfJ)

I am not at all sure this is true, LGBT.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 30, 2016 02:31 PM (3JA/M)

379 Rule #2 of AoS commenting is not clicking on links, Anna.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 02:31 PM (CGjum)

380 Everyone will just make them
Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at June 30, 2016 02:30 PM (WoTr5)

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Psssst. Guys. "Kyle from the BTFE" says Cheaper than Dirt has volume discount for 80% lower receivers.

Just saying.

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at June 30, 2016 02:31 PM (8XRCm)

381 290 So I'm a leftist because I think the G0P is a joke that always screws over conservatives? What a train wreck. Next time I'll use a different name that isn't just somebody's first name, because that's what all the cool "real conservatives" do, I guess.
Posted by: Matt at June 30, 2016 02:15 PM (TcePY)

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Didn't you get the memo? Anyone who isn't solidly behind Trump is a leftist. You're either with them or against them... I think I heard that somewhere before. There is no middle ground, they don't need to convince you, their chosen warrior has no need for you nor does he need to make a persuasive argument to win your vote. Voting isn't something you need to think about, you just vote for Trump, that's how this works.

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 02:24 PM (+a/VV)

Oh God now they're teaming up.

Posted by: Blano (2nd name omitted) at June 30, 2016 02:31 PM (oO+cT)

382 Sven and Jay, it would improve the conversation immensely if they took ice-picks to each other.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 02:32 PM (5a2rB)

383 Why the fuck do we let known terrorists STAY IN THIS COUNTRY??
Posted by: rickb223
...........
because it ain't black and white.. they're being watched.. they haven't actually done anything yet.. hence, "watch lists"

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 30, 2016 02:32 PM (so+oy)

384 Meet them 1/2 way and introduce a bill preventing Democrats from buying guns

I still say offer up legislation that bans people under FBI investigation from being allowed to run for federal office.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 02:32 PM (39g3+)

385 Just remember, commenters named after Kyle Boflovsky's mother's catchphrase are totally legit.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at June 30, 2016 02:32 PM (WlGX+)

386 Wasn't this the list that Stephen Hayes, from The Weekly Standard, was on because he was a Conservative" journalist who spoke out against the administration?

Yeah, I'm very confident an administration and party who has weaponized the administrative state like the IRS, won't abuse due-process rights for anyone wrongly put on their "lists".

I am remembering the Nazi's had list too.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 30, 2016 02:32 PM (O0lVq)

387 Its just a huge coincidence, the naming thing

thats been happening for, oh, years

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:33 PM (zOTsN)

388 374

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:30 PM (oKE6c)

Leftists love that game, socialists and communists even more so.My favorite Soviet Operation was the Trust.Lenin had Iron Felix running the secret police AND the only organized opposition to the Communist takeover.The legend went "here are all of Russia's banking middle management comrades, they will save your personal wealth."Like flies to paper.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:33 PM (SzZnW)

389 370 Anyone expressing an opinion contrary to the Mean Girls' Club here is a filthy troll. Paid for by George Soros and Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 30, 2016 02:30 PM (T/5A0)

It's not that. It's the style and the content, coming from a newbie, that are diagnostic.

Thunder B is right. First name only types suddenly show up and starts flinging poo ... gotta be suspicious.

Notice also that this does not happen regularly and continuously; it happens in spates.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:33 PM (oKE6c)

390 >>> They should trick the left by calling themselves names like "Peoples Liberation Defense League" and the government and MSM would not only insist they be allowed guns, they'd insist that they be allowed to use them mostly peacefully in riots
....

For anyone interested, we are now looking for volunteers for the "People's Liberation League of the Republic of Texas".

We stand is support of equality and fairness for all! (In other words, we're tired of supporting you communists and layabouts and believe everyone should have equal access to guns, ammo, knives, tanks, and whatever else y'all want for your self defense needs so long as you're in our great state and not a communist or socialist. Everyone outside our borders are free to give up their guns to the government ask them to provide for you)

Posted by: Damiano, Now a Terrorist at June 30, 2016 02:33 PM (71OEY)

391 #381 Oh God now they're teaming up.

Reminds me of Hector at his friskiest.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at June 30, 2016 02:33 PM (WlGX+)

392 that's how they roll... over
'shall not be infringed' is some noodling thing, I guess
... those guys in particular

OT: did I see a reference to that 'beauty' Rosa DeLauro (sp) earlier -- unwow -- should be a trigger warning. Gah, ugly grows on the 'Dem' tree -- see also Waxman

all of them really, mho

Posted by: micky at June 30, 2016 02:33 PM (o5vMc)

393 because it ain't black and white.. they're being watched.. they haven't actually done anything yet

Any non-citizen that we are suspicious of and is demonstrably part of radicalism, we should show the door. Being in another nation is a privilege, not a right.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 02:34 PM (39g3+)

394 Next- a list of people excluded from gun purchases due to the political party they support.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 30, 2016 02:34 PM (O0lVq)

395 382 Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 02:32 PM (5a2rB)

That's how they FINISH arguments.

"Dear Leon, my friend here has my final reply to you."

Love,
Josip

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:34 PM (SzZnW)

396 Rule #2 of AoS commenting is not clicking on links, Anna.

Oh, I clicked on it.

Rule #37C, subpart II, dash oh four, is that if AP posts it it's not likely to be something you've seen before.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 02:34 PM (1xUj/)

397 For Christ's sake, how many times did we tell you - you're there to stir up shit among the patriotic Americans, and try to turn them against each other, not turn them against you.

First going with the given name, then this. You're on probation.
Posted by: George Soros at June 30, 2016 02:28 PM (oKE6c)

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Ah so only true patriots support Trump, and f-off if you don't. Got it. I'm sorry my posting using my first name is such a microaggression for you feeble minded internet warriors. Enjoy your afternoon, I apparently have more important things to do.

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 02:36 PM (+a/VV)

398 It's not that. It's the style and the content, coming from a newbie, that are diagnostic.

Thunder B is right. First name only types suddenly show up and starts flinging poo ... gotta be suspicious.

Notice also that this does not happen regularly and continuously; it happens in spates.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:33 PM (oKE6c)
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Not to be rude, but so? So what? It's a blog. People exchange viewpoints and ideas. Sometimes it's interesting to hear from someone who might possibly have a non-approved opinion.

Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:36 PM (dFi94)

399 Nixon's enemies list: totally creepy and fascist
Obama's enemies list: totes cool and dreamy

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 02:36 PM (39g3+)

400
Ah so only true patriots support Trump, and f-off if you don't. Got it. I'm sorry my posting using my first name is such a microaggression for you feeble minded internet warriors. Enjoy your afternoon, I apparently have more important things to do.

Mommy calling you for lunch?

Posted by: donna at June 30, 2016 02:37 PM (O2RFr)

401 #381 Oh God now they're teaming up

"Less filling!"

"Tastes great!"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:37 PM (oKE6c)

402 Rusty;
I didn't see where your question was answered, so, yes you have to close tags. Since I'm in a really foul mood today, and shall volunteer myself to the barrel with the worst of unclosed tags. Barrel, HERE I COME!

Behold the power of the unclosed ~~strikeout tag.~~

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at June 30, 2016 02:37 PM (ND7OQ)

403 383 Why the fuck do we let known terrorists STAY IN THIS COUNTRY??
Posted by: rickb223
...........
because it ain't black and white.. they're being watched.. they haven't actually done anything yet.. hence, "watch lists"

Then they aren't "known" terrorists, they're suspected terrorists.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:38 PM (mf0wg)

404 398 Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:36 PM (dFi94)

They are not giving you their opinion, they are giving you the flip charts opinion.

Best case scenario they are given latitude to try to micro sway you, worst case they are typing something that Pavlov would eventually be able to train a Chimp to do.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:38 PM (SzZnW)

405 WTF HAPPENED?!?!?!!?

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at June 30, 2016 02:38 PM (ND7OQ)

406 I have to say as a lifelong Conservative and a Severe Christian-

that I like the cut of the jib of these Matt and Sean fellows.

My Conservative beliefs compel me to vote for Hillary as I am very concerned about what Trump will do to this country.

Very, very concerned.

As a Christian.

Concerned!!!!!111!1!!!

Posted by: Concerned Christian Conservative at June 30, 2016 02:38 PM (0cMkb)

407 Not to be rude, but so? So what? It's a blog. People
exchange viewpoints and ideas. Sometimes it's interesting to hear from
someone who might possibly have a non-approved opinion.

Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:36 PM (dFi94)

This.

If they are wrong, address the wrongness instead of dismissing them as trolls.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 30, 2016 02:38 PM (3JA/M)

408 Rick, do you have closing tags in your nick? WTF IS GOING ON HERE!?!?!?!

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at June 30, 2016 02:39 PM (ND7OQ)

409 375 Guess no one clicked on link in #231... oh well.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 02:31 PM (5a2rB)
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Drives the point home.

"Obama's got a list and he's checking it twice..going to see who's been naughty or nice.."

Posted by: willy at June 30, 2016 02:39 PM (Ffw22)

410 Oh ffs. I go back and forth between begrudgingly pulling the lever for Trump and fleeing the sinking ship. Ace was just this side of Never Trump until all hope of a replace was lost. This place is not Breitbart or Hanity. So please, take your concern elsewhere.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:39 PM (Dxa+Y)

411 It's either Him or Hillary.... Take your pick...

But, I've been assured there are "options."
...Standing by, "Matt."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2016 02:39 PM (SeD0w)

412 It's not that. It's the style and the content, coming from a newbie, that are diagnostic.

Thunder B is right. First name only types suddenly show up and starts flinging poo ... gotta be suspicious.

Notice also that this does not happen regularly and continuously; it happens in spates.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:33 PM (oKE6c)

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One last comment. I've posted here in year's past, but you won't believe that. Sorry Pixy isn't here to look up my email address and verify that fact, but enjoy the conspiracy theories about people that post using their first names using content you don't approve of. It's a nice clubhouse you've built, I'll just stick to reading Ace's comments and the ONT.

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 02:39 PM (+a/VV)

413

There are plenty of people here who express contrary opinion. And also opine on lots of other subjects other than Trump or the general election

First Name Guy blog migration only happens in general election years

they are right on time. Like Monarch Butterflies

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:39 PM (zOTsN)

414 I think you have to have double unclosed tags to invoke the barrel.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 02:40 PM (CGjum)

415 I feel like the Nazis in "A Bridge Too Far" who were trying to blow up Nijmegen bridge-- after they were specifically ordered not to. They just kept pushing the plunger and nothing happened. FML

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at June 30, 2016 02:40 PM (ND7OQ)

416 Not to be rude, but so? So what? It's a blog. People exchange viewpoints and ideas. Sometimes it's interesting to hear from someone who might possibly have a non-approved opinion.
Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:36 PM (dFi94)

Legitimately held viewpoints and ideas, yes. The non-approved opinion we're getting is likely from OfA.

Think about it: have you seen any of these guys here before? No. Suddenly, four guys show up, all going by first names only, all pretty much singing from the same hymnal, all flinging poo.

Coincidence? I doubt it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:40 PM (oKE6c)

417 Blano ...

... sorry chief - I already bet OregonMuse, and that's all the action my broke-ass can cover. Who do you think I am ... Moo Moo ?

Here's the secret ... it will not hurt my feelings to lose. 'Cause if Trump gets Ace - he wins this thing. More importantly - Hillary loses.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 30, 2016 02:40 PM (JpIFY)

418 407 Posted by: redbanzai at June 30, 2016 02:38 PM (3JA/M)

Careful lad...

down that hole be 7300 posts per week.

Trust me I know.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:40 PM (SzZnW)

419 What do you call a guy with no arms and no legs who trolls blogs for pay...

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at June 30, 2016 02:40 PM (WlGX+)

420 So now even the trolls do circular firing squads here?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 30, 2016 02:40 PM (9krrF)

421 On LevinTV, Mark had 2 graphs showing the # of firearms sold (big increase) and juxtaposed, the # of homicides by firearms (big decrease), though he offered that since the "war on police" the homicides may have increased. These 2 graphs should be posted everywhere with the request that "gun control" advocates explain.

Posted by: Sharon W at June 30, 2016 02:41 PM (Xhsh5)

422 Posting under 5 different names in one thread makes you a troll or a pretty prolific sock puppeteer.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:41 PM (Dxa+Y)

423 And remember, sports fans, the republicans will sell you downriver just a nanosecond after the democrats will. This means they are both the same. Our voting means nothing. If voting meant anything it would be illegal. And it is likely voting may soon be illegal.

Posted by: Eromero at June 30, 2016 02:41 PM (zLDYs)

424 Nooooooooooooooodddddddd

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 30, 2016 02:41 PM (mf5HN)

425 Barrel, HERE I COME!

Behold the power of the unclosed strikeout tag.

Some browsers interact with Pixy and automatically close tags. Firefox does it for me; it might be an addon I have. But you can bypass it by double tagging if you really, really want to.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 02:41 PM (39g3+)

426 377
If a person's first 200 posts are a paint by numbers OFA water color I'm certain it is juts coincidence...just like the Che Che formula posters from 2008.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:31 PM
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You know something, sven?
I don't care whether someone is a "troll" or a Siamese cat. I only care what they say.
I don't discount a statement by slapping a label on the speaker and telling them to leave the popular table.

An unperson may say something worth discussion.
A popular kid may say something no more worthy of discussion than "F off, stupid!"
And "You're a troll!" is not an argument.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 30, 2016 02:41 PM (T/5A0)

427 WTF IS GOING ON HERE!?!?!?!

Software Upgrades

Posted by: Flower Garland Hanging Tree at June 30, 2016 02:41 PM (byC4T)

428 They are not giving you their opinion, they are giving you the flip charts opinion.

Best
case scenario they are given latitude to try to micro sway you, worst
case they are typing something that Pavlov would eventually be able to
train a Chimp to do.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:38 PM (SzZnW)
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I'm not shaky enough in my beliefs and convictions, that I fear hearing someone else's. So someone says something on a blog on a Thursday afternoon. I think I can handle it.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:41 PM (dFi94)

429

I didnt even call them trolls. I asked questions which they did not answer. Perhaps they did not see them

I'm sure its a coincidence

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 02:41 PM (zOTsN)

430 Mark 'Oz' Geist for Trump

http://tinyurl.com/h6kcopb

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 30, 2016 02:41 PM (/CXhS)

431
Matt is laying on the floor.

Art got nailed to the wall.

Sandy is at the beach.

Phil has had enough.

Bob just goes up and down.

Ray outshines them all.

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at June 30, 2016 02:42 PM (8XRCm)

432 So, Chupacabra, are you saying I have to taunt the barrel? Like with an italic ~~strikeout that goes unclosed?~~

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at June 30, 2016 02:42 PM (ND7OQ)

433 408 Rick, do you have closing tags in your nick? WTF IS GOING ON HERE!?!?!?!

I do.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:42 PM (mf0wg)

434 Please note, I would not be doing this if we weren't 400 comments deep. I'm not a complete asshole.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at June 30, 2016 02:43 PM (ND7OQ)

435 DAMN YOU RICK!!!! YOU FOILED MY PLANS!!!!

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at June 30, 2016 02:43 PM (ND7OQ)

436 It's a nice clubhouse you've built,

Liar. Our clubhouse reeks of stale Val-U-Rite and rotting hobo skins. Not to mention whatever the hell has been leaking out of the Barrel lately. Shouldn't we call the haz-mat team about that?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at June 30, 2016 02:43 PM (WlGX+)

437 410 Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:39 PM (Dxa+Y)

I agree Lauren, what America needs is a leader of conscience who is (allegedly) conscious.

I can't in good conscience pull for Orange Toupee Weasel so as a concerned Christian Conservative, join me in pulling for the Christian candidate Hillary Rodman Klintoon.

//"sven"

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:43 PM (SzZnW)

438 I'm confused as to why, Ace, you laugh at people who say they can't vote for Trump as a principled conservative. It's not as if there are more than a couple dozen, maybe? conservative House members. And what, three, maybe four conservative Senators?

What doesn't make sense is the people saying they're voting for Trump because he's anti-establishment. Really, Trumpsters? How many incumbent Republican lost primaries? 14 million primary voters energized to change Washington... did even a single GOP incumbent lose his or her primary?

I won't vote for Trump until he can prove that he has a yeoman's understanding of what conservatism really is. Then he's got to prove he'll govern on core conservative principles. Why, as a conservative, would a sacrifice that just to vote for a Democrat? Doesn't mean I'm voting for Hillary, it just means I'll exercise my Constitutional right to not hold my nose -again- and vote for the GOP nominee. Instead, I'll write in Ted Cruz.

Posted by: bkeyser at June 30, 2016 02:43 PM (l4B3N)

439 And now, I must hate Rickb223.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at June 30, 2016 02:44 PM (ND7OQ)

440 the GOPe sucks.

which is why i support Trump

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 30, 2016 02:44 PM (7XWyA)

441 426 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 30, 2016 02:41 PM (T/5A0)

You know something Margarita, there's a reason I had ~ 120,000 posts in 2012 and won't be doing so this cycle....

unlike my late cat I figured out the laser pointer is not real.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:45 PM (SzZnW)

442 Not all of them are moles or operatives of the Clinton camp, not all of them are paid blog commenters from Organizing For America. But enough are that it makes people here very leery.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 02:28 PM (39g3+)

The #NeverTrump-er's I know in real life have all come around. They gave me shit for months when I threw in for Team SMOD after Cruz pulled out (despite the fact that I was a vocal critic of Trump until it became clear he was the only non-Hillary/Sanders possibility), but they've all now come to the same conclusion.

While communists deserve destruction, nothing more and nothing less, they don't all _know_ they're evil. Hillary is knowingly evil, and literally has no accomplishments other than appointments by fawning leftists looking for a semi-famous woman to put in front of a camera. Being a secretary, being a senator, only means something if you did something of value in those offices. Trump cannot surpass her level of evil, at best tie it if he is something much more than what he's currently credited as, and at least has some experience doing things even if they have nothing to do with the presidency. Further, the GOP is dead anyway, so if Trump just grinds his feet into America's couch after being elected, we can hopefully get a new party or a reboot in another 4 years, and dump a lot of incumbent-for-too-long GOP driftwood in the process.

If you're actively concerned about the country, you've reached the same conclusion, even if you hated Trump with a passion 6 months ago, even if you still do today. There is good reason to be suspicious of those still in Trump freakout mode - if they're not shills, they're beholden to the left's approval, seeking to be popular among the cool kids by peacocking negotiable "principles," an impulse which has handed the left the culture war on a silver platter. The latter is actually worse for our side.

Posted by: 0302 at June 30, 2016 02:45 PM (wx6iv)

443 Shouldn't we call the haz-mat team about that?

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we never paid for their last visit...

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 30, 2016 02:45 PM (7XWyA)

444 >>Then they aren't "known" terrorists, they're suspected terrorists.

I think it's also a sort of random, 'just to be safe put all the names on it' list.
My dad got on it because his name matched the name of an IRA terrorist. It's also a common name (hint: 1st name John), which means....A LOT of men got on the list for having that same name.

Seems to indicate that they just wanted to dump a list of IRA names w/out taking the time to differentiate them from a bunch of Americans of Scots-Irish descent. Like, hey, if they're not the terrorists they'll prove it, so what's the big deal? Transfers the work from the accusers to the accused/terrorist until massive paperwork submitted by citizen proves innocence.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2016 02:45 PM (NOIQH)

445 The GOP screwed up royal again.

First, everybody knows that after Orlando something has to be done. The smart thing would've been to support the provision proposed by Pat Toomey. It protects due process. The GOP could've used this to boost Toomy's support for reelection while taking the issue away from the Dems.

They will never learn.

Posted by: Brian J. at June 30, 2016 02:45 PM (WepEx)

446 389---Thunder B is right. First name only types suddenly show up and starts flinging poo ... gotta be suspicious.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:33 PM
-------------------------
Sean was not "flinging poo."
Sean was disagreeing with you.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 30, 2016 02:46 PM (T/5A0)

447 428 Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:41 PM (dFi94)

Oh I am on a wavering reed in my convictions Grammie...you caught me.

You never did answer what Paul "genius" Ryan would be doing differently if he was Pelosi's mole.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:46 PM (SzZnW)

448
And now, I must hate Rickb223.
Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at June 30, 2016 02:44 PM (ND7OQ)

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now?

NOW???

Youre way late to the party, pal.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 02:46 PM (8XRCm)

449 You never did answer what Paul "genius" Ryan would be doing differently if he was Pelosi's mole.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:46 PM (SzZnW)
================================================

Was I supposed to?

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:47 PM (dFi94)

450 And now, I must hate Rickb223.

"Must" sounds coercive.

You should hate freely, of your own will and choosing. Hate that you own is superior to hate which is thrust upon.

Hate well, hate often, but hate with your own pure hate.

-- Second Upanishad of the Veda

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 02:48 PM (1xUj/)

451 441
unlike my late cat I figured out the laser pointer is not real.
Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:45 PM
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Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 30, 2016 02:49 PM (T/5A0)

452 "Instead, I'll write in Ted Cruz."

If you think that your single vote matters and that a candidate must beat a path to your door to win it with a seranade and some white roses, then you don't know how politics works.

It's consensus building. Hop on a bandwagon or be irrelevant.

ps, Conservatism the way that Cruz thinks of it is spent as a political dynamic.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 02:49 PM (r1fLd)

453 I wonder how many paid political campaign internet trolls have been driven to find a new profession after they were assigned the AoSHQ beat. I mean, you're killing it stirring up shit on the kiddie sites, then you strut into this place where the blogware was last updated circa the Carter era, and the only real trolling going on is the regulars against you. Must be a real mindfuck.

Posted by: mugiwara at June 30, 2016 02:49 PM (YOqGU)

454 If you read about the Orlando case, that guy was taken off the terror watch list. The FBI seemed to really drop the ball.

So, what's a new law going to do to make the FBI enforce it better?

Logically, reform of the FBI, with perhaps a few firings, would be in order.

But that can never happen. (See the VA and its endless scandals.)

Instead, our legislators must be shown to "do something" and thus they are now "doing something."

The commenter who said that if we keep having terror attacks the 2nd Amendment will go away is correct.

Most Americans are soccer mom types and they will demand security. Most people aren't Thomas Jefferson.

Now, here's where I offer up a small defense for voting on this kind of bill: it might assuage some people and put some pressure off of dropping the 2nd amendment entirely.

The due process is key.

Even as I offer this defense up, I don't feel good about it. Our system appears broken.

Posted by: Harun at June 30, 2016 02:49 PM (dZQh7)

455 449 Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:47 PM (dFi94)

I asked, relatively politely.

Your refusal to answer is answer enough.

//"Sven" Concerned Concerned Concerned

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:49 PM (SzZnW)

456 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 30, 2016 02:46 PM (T/5A0)

_____________

What is the net import of this comment?

45 Wasn't it the Trump supporters that told everyone they didn't need
the other Republican primary voters to beat Hillary? Now it's the
NeverTrumpers that will usher the end of all things because Trump
suddenly needs their votes? Except what exactly is Trump doing to unify
and win back those voters?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 02:50 PM (oKE6c)

457 My vote for Trump is in reality a vote for the Constitution, a document as forgotten as the holy book in the times of King Josiah. Unlike George Will, I'm banking on the other 2 branches of government rediscovering their historical reason for existence, should Trump prove "Obama-like". If Hillary becomes President, anyone who thinks we won't see the EXACT SAME acquiescence that has gone on these 8 years, is deluded. Also, judges....a chance w/Trump...with Hillary??

Posted by: Sharon W at June 30, 2016 02:50 PM (Xhsh5)

458 Sven - I don't know what it is, but for several weeks I have felt an animosity coming from you. Maybe it's my imagination. If it's not, and you have a grievance against me, tell me what it is so I can try to make it right.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:50 PM (dFi94)

459 The Republicans are *denying* the Democrats their election-year wedge issue. Remember, the Democrats voted this same thing down in the Senate. But in the House, the Democrats claim the Republicans won't let them vote on it. Okay, let them vote on it. And when the Democrats vote it down (because Democrats don't support due process), the Republicans can torpedo their talking points. They get to look like the compromisers while the Democrats are the stubborn partisans. Yes, the media will still try to make the Republicans the bad guys, but they won't have the ammunition for it.

This is good strategy, don't know what you're complaining about.

Posted by: Caiwyn at June 30, 2016 02:50 PM (nU8lz)

460 I agree Lauren, what America needs is a leader of conscience who is (allegedly) conscious.

I
can't in good conscience pull for Orange Toupee Weasel so as a
concerned Christian Conservative, join me in pulling for the Christian
candidate Hillary Rodman Klintoon.

//"sven"

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:43 PM (SzZnW)

You act as if the choice is binary (which it is not) and like if you disapprove of Hillary, you must approve of the Orange One (which we don't).

Posted by: redbanzai at June 30, 2016 02:51 PM (3JA/M)

461 I asked, relatively politely.

Your refusal to answer is answer enough.

//"Sven" Concerned Concerned Concerned

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:49 PM (SzZnW)
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I did not see your question. I'm sorry that I missed it.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:51 PM (dFi94)

462 "I wonder how many paid political campaign internet trolls have been driven to find a new profession after they were assigned the AoSHQ beat."

I doubt they send them here.

If they send them at all, it will be to LIV comment sections.

Trolls who come here, are not paid. Just drunk like the rest of us.

Posted by: Harun at June 30, 2016 02:51 PM (dZQh7)

463 Either code has been updated, or old-timers are coaxing newbies into the barrel. Sorry, not taking the bait.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 30, 2016 02:52 PM (S2VsH)

464 Okay, well then. Son is visiting with his fiance and we have tickets to a ball game. Check back with you later. I'm going to grab a bratwurst.

Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:53 PM (dFi94)

465 458 Posted by: grammie winger, 2 Chronicles 7:14 at June 30, 2016 02:50 PM (dFi94)

No grievance, other than a personal feeling of gratitude for Paul Ryan's efforts in DC since taking the speakership.

He's done game work, and I am certain has a LOT of "win" right around the corner.

He gave Obama more walking around money than he asked for, he is pushing as hard as Obama to keep the waves of Jihadist "refugees" coming in, and is now aiding Obama in attacking the 2d amendment.

I'll bet John Boehner who was my own personal Congressional albatross by the end is kissing the ground in thanksgiving that unlike Dhimmi Carter who had to wait damn near 35 years to have a big enough fuck-up to make America take him off the "worst asshole in this office" mantlepiece Ryan managed to make Boehner look sane in less than a year.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:54 PM (SzZnW)

466 Clearing baffles.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 30, 2016 02:55 PM (iONHu)

467 So I'm a leftist because I think the G0P is a joke that always screws over conservatives? What a train wreck. Next time I'll use a different name that isn't just somebody's first name, because that's what all the cool "real conservatives" do, I guess.

Posted by: Matt at June 30, 2016 02:15 PM (TcePY)

Don't be taken in by this one. "Matt" is actually his last name. First name, undoubtedly, is "Door".

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 30, 2016 02:55 PM (v5iqM)

468
Uh-oh.

Just found out Mrs Fixer is painting bedrooms unsupervised.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 02:55 PM (8XRCm)

469 Unless you're in an honestly tight state, vote for whoever you like.

I'm in California. I can vote for Gary Johnson or not vote at all. No skin off Trump's chances.

Trump supporters need to understand that some people cannot support him. Just live with it. Unless they live in some swing district, it doesn't really matter.

I actually think Gary Johnson polling big will HELP Trump. Johnson can appeal to reluctant Hillary voters and draw them off.

Jill Stein is even better. We should probably linking to her speeches on Facebook and sending them to our lefty friends.

Posted by: Harun at June 30, 2016 02:56 PM (dZQh7)

470 Paul Ryan - the principled whore -- anything to sell out the conservatives and our country. Disgusting rat.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue at June 30, 2016 02:57 PM (ZXK8H)

471 459 Posted by: Caiwyn at June 30, 2016 02:50 PM (nU8lz)

You're counting your chickens before they are hatched.

The GOP whip is a wet pasta noodle.

The Donkey whip is made of rattan.

Donkey can twist arms that kill congressional careers to enforce party discipline, the NY GOP contingent gets bonuses for screwing the GOP main body.

I think dumbass will pass something.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 02:57 PM (SzZnW)

472 4-0 in the bottom of the Sixth, Chanticleers leading. I know the CWS doesn't garner much attention, but a Coastal Carolina victory would be an "historic first", to borrow a tainted phrase.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 30, 2016 02:58 PM (2cS/G)

473 "ps, Conservatism the way that Cruz thinks of it is spent as a political dynamic."

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 02:49 PM (r1fLd)
Oh, I see. Pro-life, pro-2A, free markets. All stuff of yesteryear. Better get on board the progressive train.
Nah. I'll just watch as Trump supporters naval-gaze in utter amazement when he tops out at 30% in November and they all say "But Cruz's father killed Kennedy?!?!??!!!111!!!!!1!11"Good call.

Posted by: bkeyser at June 30, 2016 02:58 PM (l4B3N)

474 Harum said: "469 Unless you're in an honestly tight state, vote for whoever you like.

I'm in California. I can vote for Gary Johnson or not vote at all. No skin off Trump's chances. "

I am also in California and I will be voting for TRUMP, as will many democrats and hispanics that I know.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue at June 30, 2016 02:59 PM (ZXK8H)

475 "The Republicans are *denying* the Democrats their election-year wedge issue. Remember, the Democrats voted this same thing down in the Senate. But in the House, the Democrats claim the Republicans won't let them vote on it. Okay, let them vote on it. And when the Democrats vote it down (because Democrats don't support due process), the Republicans can torpedo their talking points. They get to look like the compromisers while the Democrats are the stubborn partisans. Yes, the media will still try to make the Republicans the bad guys, but they won't have the ammunition for it.

This is good strategy, don't know what you're complaining about."

Because they are nervous due to previous GOP problems, like the last budget.

I like your analysis

I think one issue the GOP and our base has is that the media still informs us.

Its hard not to read headlines written by lefty scumbags and not get sucked into their memes.

Posted by: Harun at June 30, 2016 03:00 PM (dZQh7)

476 I hope no one is charting my first 200 posts. It would be an unsettling reveal of unhealthy obsessions like Banana Splits, boobs, Adrienne Barbeau, farts, Winona Ryder, Condi Rice and her black boots, guns, masturbation and jerk socks, large breastesses, beer, mammary glands, and obscure porn references. Pretty sure I would be on a number of watch lists/restraining orders.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 30, 2016 03:02 PM (KoCoX)

477 Hey Banana Splits Guy,

does it ever irk you that Bob Marley stole your song for Buffalo Soldier?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 03:05 PM (1xUj/)

478 How could Trump be any more pro-2A when he's in line with the NRA and has made a commitment to nominate Scalia-like judges?

"Free markets" got perverted into Open Borders and favorable positions for Big Business. Witness Paul Ryan.

Being vocally pro-life is a losing position for Presidential candidates. There's little a President can do on this issue any way. FFS, a Republican Congress funded Planned Parenthood. Were Cruz the nominee he'd get killed on this issue alone.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 03:05 PM (r1fLd)

479 Unless you're in an honestly tight state, vote for whoever you like

=========

I would amend this to say whatever state you are in, vote for whoever you like.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 30, 2016 03:05 PM (3JA/M)

480 How could Trump be any more pro-2A when he's in line with the NRA and has made a commitment to nominate Scalia-like judges?

"Free markets" got perverted into Open Borders and favorable positions for Big Business. Witness Paul Ryan.

Being vocally pro-life is a losing position for Presidential
candidates. There's little a President can do on this issue any way.
FFS, a Republican Congress funded Planned Parenthood. Were Cruz the
nominee he'd get killed on this issue alone.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 03:05 PM (r1fLd)

Trump is not pro second amendment and he backtracked on the judge thing less than 12 hours after the Heritage Foundation released the list.
YOU think a pro life candidate cannot get elected because YOU are pro-killing babies. You are wrong. for many decades, that was not only the preferred position of R candidates but the require position if they wanted to get elected.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 30, 2016 03:13 PM (3JA/M)

481 BS = Banana Split
Buffalo Soldier = BS

Marley fools no one!! Stoned out of his gourd Jamaican drew influence from silly show while smoking the reefer? You don't say! He was overrated.

The Banana Splits are GODS next to Marley!

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at June 30, 2016 03:15 PM (KoCoX)

482 If a person's first 200 posts are a paint by numbers OFA water color I'm certain it is juts coincidence...just like the Che Che formula posters from 2008.
......

The CheChe posts were always jokes, from the very beginning.

I was surprised when someone did a CheChe here recently and people took it seriously.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 03:23 PM (ozZau)

483 There is no need for new legislation.

Posted by: eman at June 30, 2016 03:26 PM (Py52h)

484 483 "There is no need for new legislation."

This! We have a rogue government in violation of its own laws on the books, putting us at risk of violence and disease, and this same government's answer is MORE LAWS!

Posted by: Sharon W at June 30, 2016 03:28 PM (Xhsh5)

485 Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 03:05 PM (r1fLd)

So, change your principles, then, eh? I think GWB won twice as a vocal pro-life candidate. I think every GOP nominee in my lifetime has been pro-life. But since Trump isn't, it's time to let that baby go, so to speak.

I suppose Ryan's moves regarding guns doesn't bother you.

Posted by: bkeyser at June 30, 2016 03:34 PM (l4B3N)

486 482 Posted by: stace...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 03:23 PM (ozZau)

The Che Che posts are a send up of the prototype Axelbots from 07-08...

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 03:39 PM (SzZnW)

487 You are either with _US_ or against _US_.

Posted by: HWB at June 30, 2016 03:48 PM (aR8Ih)

488 Maybe people on the secret terror watch list should be in jail. If you are too dangerous to own a gun, surely you're too dangerous to be around the public.

Posted by: blindside at June 30, 2016 03:48 PM (89yd/)

489
Wasn't it the Trump supporters that told
everyone they didn't need the other Republican primary voters to beat
Hillary? Now it's the NeverTrumpers that will usher the end of all
things because Trump suddenly needs their votes? Except what exactly is
Trump doing to unify and win back those voters?

........ hmmm?

Posted by: Sean at June 30, 2016 01:28 PM (+a/VV)

A terrorist attack a day till the election. It's as if he's touched by the hand of God.

Posted by: DFCtomm at June 30, 2016 03:51 PM (LR4Hy)

490 The only acceptable response to the Democrats is a big fat face full of middle finger. And two simple words.

Posted by: Cymbaline at June 30, 2016 04:23 PM (Fq7j4)

491 Common Sense abortion Control Measures.

Posted by: Shiggz at June 30, 2016 04:34 PM (G7wcY)

492 I have accepted that dc cultural pressure on gope is so strong that even if we had a super majority this agenda and votes would be little different.

Posted by: Shiggz at June 30, 2016 04:54 PM (G7wcY)

493 To NeverTrumpers...

Can you imagine Trump standing there (like Ryan did) pounding his gavel begging the Democrats to behave while they take over the house floor from him?

The GOP leadership gives off the image of weakness. Throughout history weakness is taken advantage of by tyrants like the left.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 30, 2016 05:25 PM (KhJh8)

494 A gun is the only thing that is going to secure your rights going forward, at least the rights you think you have. A Democrat already has his list ready of what you are going to get (and like it, or else), the media will make sure the Democrat will win, and the GOP is worthless.

A gun, and a gun only, is what will secure your liberty.

Posted by: Nobody at June 30, 2016 06:10 PM (ORlaL)

495 290 So I'm a leftist because I think the G0P is a joke that always screws over conservatives? What a train wreck. Next time I'll use a different name that isn't just somebody's first name, because that's what all the cool "real conservatives" do, I guess.
Posted by: Matt at June 30, 2016 02:15 PM (TcePY)

Might want to talk to "Doug". Oh. That's right, haven't seen him since Trump became candidate.

Posted by: West Town at June 30, 2016 06:35 PM (VoYML)

496
It's consensus building. Hop on a bandwagon or be irrelevant.

ps, Conservatism the way that Cruz thinks of it is spent as a political dynamic.
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 02:49 PM (r1fLd

Quite a consensus Donald Trump has built...

Posted by: West Town at June 30, 2016 06:40 PM (VoYML)

497 So what are your principles? I read a lot of cheap snark and not much else.

Posted by: NC Mountainl Girl at June 30, 2016 09:09 PM (/QjsR)

498 So the Government will put three-fourths of Americans on a watch list to deny them guns. And then are told it will take 74 years to go through their due-process as the Government dribbles out subpoenaed paperwork a few pages at a time. In the meantime have a great 4th of July, enjoy your freedom, and kneel before your Government betters.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at July 01, 2016 01:19 AM (SXa8W)

499 Control the goddam terrorists coming into this country who end up on the watch list.

Idiots.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at July 01, 2016 06:30 AM (Ndje9)

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