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Recently Captured Terror Figure Salam Abdeslam Linked to Today's Bombings in Brussels
He was captured Friday. On Monday, the bombs go off.
His fingerprints were found in the Belgium apartment near some detonators -- which authorities think were intended to be used in today's terror bombing, had they not been captured. This directly raises the ticking bomb question, with no wiggle room: Would it have been immoral to twist this guy's arms until he gives up his compatriots? For those claiming that's immoral -- there are thirty formerly living human beings, and two hundred wounded ones, who might want to disagree with you. Evil is not just what you do by your actions; it's also what you do by your inaction. Comments: I accidentally left comments open and I guess I will leave them open, provisionally. However, I do not feel like moderating the immoderate all day long again. If you have some screaming you wish to do, some perceived insult you need to avenge, on account of someone not fancying the same political candidate that's caught your eye, please make your arrangements to find a blog that will provide you more of a #SafeSpace.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 02:59 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 02:59 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2016 03:00 PM (fizMZ)
Posted by: IrishEi at March 22, 2016 03:00 PM (E6RIJ)
Posted by: Yankee: ROTOR SELF-WINDING at March 22, 2016 03:00 PM (mZS3c)
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 22, 2016 03:00 PM (zGcgE)
Posted by: USA at March 22, 2016 03:00 PM (tfM+W)
Posted by: Roland THTG at March 22, 2016 03:00 PM (QM5S2)
Posted by: McCool at March 22, 2016 03:00 PM (TQxRy)
Posted by: IrishEi at March 22, 2016 03:01 PM (E6RIJ)
People who do not wish to make decisions are being forced into making one no matter what.
There are only two sides. You have to choose one of them.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah at March 22, 2016 03:01 PM (WVsWD)
Posted by: Jim at March 22, 2016 03:01 PM (McRlu)
Posted by: andycanuck at March 22, 2016 03:01 PM (ioqGj)
Posted by: USA at March 22, 2016 03:01 PM (tfM+W)
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 22, 2016 03:01 PM (zGcgE)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:02 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 03:02 PM (t2KH5)
Posted by: colin at March 22, 2016 03:02 PM (og1C6)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 22, 2016 03:02 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: wooga at March 22, 2016 03:03 PM (Zpfuz)
Immoral?
No. I am on record for requesting worse.
I would have made Col. West a general for what he did, not relieve him of his command.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:03 PM (uf5be)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 03:03 PM (R+30W)
regarding side bar about andrea tantaros commenting on the terrorists michael jackson homage, it was catherine herridge that mentioned the one glove thing to her.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:03 PM (vb33c)
They'd think they found Nemo when I was done.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:04 PM (uf5be)
Ryan: How many others?
Terrorist: [Silence]
Ryan shoot's Terrorist in knee cap
Ryan: How many?
Terrorist: 5 or 6!
Posted by: WisRich at March 22, 2016 03:04 PM (hdpay)
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 22, 2016 03:04 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 22, 2016 03:04 PM (zGcgE)
(IP pokes at the post button with a stick.)
Posted by: IP at March 22, 2016 03:04 PM (aQQbl)
Posted by: mofo at March 22, 2016 03:04 PM (depcT)
Stop muslim immigration. Enforce the law equally on all citizens. Institute sanctions on those neighborhoods and mosques that won't integrate. I actually don't hate the German idea of paying them to leave, provided they aren't replaced immediately by new refugees.
We're spending like drunken sailor-thieves anyway, we might as well do it on things which will lead to economic prosperity and the social good, the actual, demonstrable social good.
Not being blown into ribbons at the airport check-in counter is a social good.
Let's try taking some moderate action before going straight to internment and forcible deportation.
Which is not to take those off the table.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:04 PM (xuouz)
LOL
Good thing you hadn't typed anything immoderate...
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:05 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 22, 2016 03:05 PM (Qvgg/)
Also, I have a great idea for saving the GOP - we should nominate Ash Carter so that he officially hold the position he currently holds de facto.
Posted by: Bru at March 22, 2016 03:05 PM (dyGW3)
Posted by: Needs to Know at March 22, 2016 03:05 PM (cPpwW)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 03:05 PM (R+30W)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:05 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:06 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Valiant at March 22, 2016 03:06 PM (3MiF8)
The fact that this guy was talking suggests something like waterboarding or making him listen to Stravinsky might have worked out well.
but do we really want to become that kind of society? the usual geniuses will ask, because saving actual lives is less important than living up to principles of justice that someone who wears a Che t-shirt at parties just invented last week.
Posted by: Mallfly Cloggenstein of Bratwurst Vt at March 22, 2016 03:06 PM (qSIlh)
he's connected to today's bombing. Dirty bombs aren't the only ones that kill. Conventional bombs can kill you even deader if you're within range.
i'm not even sure "dirty bombs" would really do any thing much except cause a run on anti-radiation tablets and depress local property values for ten years.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:06 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Paris phone book at March 22, 2016 03:07 PM (cbfNE)
This directly raises the ticking bomb question, with no wiggle room:
Would it have been immoral to twist this guy's arms until he gives up his compatriots?
--
By 'twisting', do you mean attaching each arm to a separate horse, and cracking a whip? Because if so, I have no problem with it.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 22, 2016 03:07 PM (Qvgg/)
Posted by: Needs to Know at March 22, 2016 03:05 PM (cPpwW)
why make him a martyr. sex with dunham is going to get you your virgins too.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:07 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 22, 2016 03:07 PM (uz/Pv)
Posted by: 13times at March 22, 2016 03:07 PM (WHVu+)
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (zGcgE)
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:05 PM (cbfNE)
I'm on my best behavior. Seeing myself in the mirror, as it were, in these newer commenters has made me...
Alter the conditions of the deal.
I pray further sockpuppet r/the_donald trolls will not make me alter it any further.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (kTF2Z)
of course we don't really have it any more either. certainly not on the federal level.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (kTF2Z)
*warily looks around for signs of banhammer*
Posted by: T at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (LW463)
regarding side bar about andrea tantaros commenting on the terrorists michael jackson homage, it was catherine herridge that mentioned the one glove thing to her.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:03 PM (vb33c)
I SOOOO want to make a Spinal Tap quip right now.
Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (s5o+q)
Serious question Ace.
Do you have any anti-r tablets?
Cheap insurance for your AO.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (uf5be)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (zOTsN)
And everyone remember - come next January, 99% of us are going to be on the same side again. This is definitely one of the nastiest primary fights I can remember, but every primary fight has its share of ad hom attacks and people claiming they'll take their ball home and never come back. But most of those people eventually do return when they realize that the fight beings anew next year.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (4/i9Y)
Posted by: Roland THTG at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (QM5S2)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 03:09 PM (R+30W)
Thank you, ace.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:09 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Grandmalcaesar at March 22, 2016 03:09 PM (4HL0R)
"We hate terrorists" threads seem like a safe start.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 22, 2016 03:09 PM (MCmqp)
Posted by: buzzion at March 22, 2016 03:09 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: USA at March 22, 2016 03:09 PM (tfM+W)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:10 PM (xuouz)
hah i used to, after 9-11. I might still have the bottle but they've got to be expired.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:10 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Somebody Had To Say It at March 22, 2016 03:10 PM (LYCUN)
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:10 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:10 PM (vb33c)
Nope. Not even a little bit. If lives are at stake, torture the living fuck out of him. I have zero moral compunction with that. If waterboarding one man saves lives, I'll sleep like a fucking baby that night.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 22, 2016 03:10 PM (4/i9Y)
Seeing as he chickened out on being a suicide bomber, they (fellow jihadists) might not have a high opinion of his ability to stay silent.
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:10 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 22, 2016 03:10 PM (Qvgg/)
Thank you, ace.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely
Yes.
And I promise to be on my best "funeral" behavior.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:10 PM (uf5be)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 22, 2016 03:11 PM (2cS/G)
apparently.
of course it's early yet, and "intelligence" probably means "wild-ass guesses" at this point.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:11 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Mallfly Cloggenstein of Bratwurst Vt at March 22, 2016 03:11 PM (qSIlh)
Serious question Ace.
Do you have any anti-r tablets?
Cheap insurance for your AO.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (uf5be)
Mass panic.
Posted by: buzzion at March 22, 2016 03:11 PM (z/Ubi)
Worked on me.
Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 22, 2016 03:11 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: jewells45 at March 22, 2016 03:11 PM (l/N7H)
Posted by: Chris M at March 22, 2016 03:11 PM (k3w9p)
Human Life is precious and needs to be treated as such.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 22, 2016 03:11 PM (uz/Pv)
Worst part for me was having to actually read the post.
jk
Posted by: El Kabong at March 22, 2016 03:11 PM (MCmqp)
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:06 PM (dciA+)
Trump scrambling a team to look into this "terrible, terrible new bomb, this dirty bomb thing" that can depress property values.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Afroman at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (+FUQG)
For killing, these "inspire magazine" bombs are the cheap and effective way to go. The only way to stop such attacks is by monitoring source communities. Like Cruz said.
Posted by: wooga at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (Zpfuz)
Aw. You could have commented.
You can also comment on my home blog that is all politics
www.crayfisher.WordPress.com
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Barack Obama at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (7Kbxu)
Posted by: Jeff E at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (j7OYq)
Nope. Same here. Supposedly still good. No expiration date.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (uf5be)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (9krrF)
It might have been related to the anti-terror raids which have been going on for a while. It still seems strange to me that you'd throw together a terror attack in just a weekend, especially if you had existing plans to hit another city.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:10 PM (vb33c) "
I think in the future any 'closed' threads should be opened to only two people: ace using socks, and MUMR. Comedy gold, or comedy platinum?
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (4/i9Y)
Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (rlfds)
Posted by: elfletcho at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (Q5uPe)
none of these stupid countries have the death penalty
of course we don't really have it any more either. certainly not on the federal level.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (dciA+)
Isn't Belgium the country with the fun time comfy prisons anyway?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (0IhFx)
Key Twilight Zone music.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (2d71x)
jk
Posted by: El Kabong at March 22, 2016 03:11 PM (MCmqp)
You kid, but I actually read that entire vice article.
I got to the bottom and I was like "wow, what is that italicized line with the twitter handle in it?"
I'm not sure I've finished a news article since the Bush administration.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 22, 2016 03:13 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:10 PM (dciA+)
Depending on the chemical preparation, it may be good for decades. Worth checking.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 22, 2016 03:13 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 03:13 PM (t2KH5)
Also, spellcheck changes my nic to 'gay'
Posted by: GT 5.0 at March 22, 2016 03:13 PM (F18mI)
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They were sent to internment camps in Texas.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 22, 2016 03:13 PM (JxMoP)
What "justifies" torture is the calculus of the greatest good for the greatest number. Break one egg, just one, just this once, to make a delicious omelet.
But being justified isn't the same thing as being morally right. Torture is always outside morality. It's also true that sometimes it works and innocent lives are thereby protected.
Rule of thumb: when you die, beg for God's mercy.
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:13 PM (IIlHS)
Wait, what?
Posted by: President Five-Putt jetting off to Vegas, Sept. 11, 2012 at March 22, 2016 03:14 PM (2WoCi)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 22, 2016 03:14 PM (jsWA8)
Posted by: elfletcho at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (Q5uPe)
Antarctica is always an option
Posted by: the real ch3 at March 22, 2016 03:14 PM (NyVz8)
Posted by: Grandmalcaesar at March 22, 2016 03:14 PM (4HL0R)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 22, 2016 03:14 PM (kTF2Z)
Which is true. They're psychological weapons more than anything else, custom-designed for use against the radiophobic, i.e., most of the West.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 22, 2016 03:14 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Biblio at March 22, 2016 03:14 PM (7o8VY)
We had those but now that I'm on these high blood pills I think that much potassium might kill me via hyperkalemia.
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:15 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Barack Obama at March 22, 2016 03:15 PM (LYCUN)
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." George Bernard Shaw
Shorter version "Don't feed the trolls!"
Posted by: random lurker at March 22, 2016 03:15 PM (WF5ei)
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (0IhFx)
I think you can put almost any European country in that spot.
Posted by: buzzion at March 22, 2016 03:15 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: USA at March 22, 2016 03:15 PM (tfM+W)
Posted by: jewells45 at March 22, 2016 03:11 PM (l/N7H)
It's not just cray cray, it's kookoobananas.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 22, 2016 03:15 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:15 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (dciA+)
someone said belgian police or prosecutors were releasing information from their interrogation of the recently captured terrorist to the public. maybe something they released was a signal to launch new bombings.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:15 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: Anon a mouse... at March 22, 2016 03:15 PM (C9pBZ)
This is actually a good rule of thumb for everyone.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 22, 2016 03:16 PM (9krrF)
Didn't we only waterboard two jihadis A LOT, which is why the torture hand-wringers always mention the number of times this technique was used instead of the number of people waterboarded?
Regardless, make the dude sing, Belgium.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2016 03:16 PM (NOIQH)
I'd waterboard him with menstral blood.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 22, 2016 03:14 PM (jsWA
.....from a pig.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 22, 2016 03:16 PM (0IhFx)
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:16 PM (cbfNE)
For some stupid fucking reason we have decided not to ENFORCE those laws. Nothing's broken. Enforce the fucking laws on the books now.
Posted by: Timon at March 22, 2016 03:16 PM (KSonr)
Posted by: 13times at March 22, 2016 03:16 PM (WHVu+)
Posted by: elfletcho at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (Q5uPe)
Plenty of open space in Antarctica. We can set them up doing penguin ranching. That would even be ecological!
Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2016 03:16 PM (s5o+q)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramatorsk_radiological_accident
Posted by: Hi Ho at March 22, 2016 03:16 PM (CPk08)
*plural of anus
Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 22, 2016 03:17 PM (PbJnx)
I miss all the good stuff.
Posted by: Blano at March 22, 2016 03:17 PM (uiVGU)
Posted by: Phil Dayton at March 22, 2016 03:17 PM (eFytx)
What a shame that a few bad apples have to spoil a good time for everyone by breaking the rules.
Posted by: Eric Stratton at March 22, 2016 03:17 PM (/wVDI)
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:17 PM (IIlHS)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 03:17 PM (2d71x)
This is the last safe refuge from the idiocy at other sites' comments section. Please do whatever you need to do to keep it that way.
Posted by: Trapeze at March 22, 2016 03:17 PM (rPEr/)
Posted by: Grandmalcaesar at March 22, 2016 03:17 PM (4HL0R)
This is actually a good rule of thumb for everyone.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 22, 2016 03:16 PM (9krrF)
Possibly wiser all around to do it while you're still living, and even best when you're relatively unthreatened, even.
Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 22, 2016 03:15 PM (bLnSU)
Daylight come and you wanna go hooome
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 22, 2016 03:00 PM (zGcgE)
Nope, just a mere mortal.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (3myMJ)
Posted by: random lurker at March 22, 2016 03:15 PM (WF5ei)
Let us all resolve to be better strangers to the assholes. A quick nick-check (and hash check!) can solve things before they get out of hand.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: El Kabong at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (MCmqp)
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Napolitano talked about that this morning, namely that their leaking was galactically stupid, and that Abdesalam's threat to sue the Belgian prosecutors may have been the signal.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (JxMoP)
Hit refresh a few times and look for the caps locks comments before they disappear.
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (LYCUN)
Whoa. That's just too cruel. Even we have limits.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (+aCe4)
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (OQ9R7)
Posted by: Grandmalcaesar at March 22, 2016 03:17 PM (4HL0R)
Eastern standard time, I believe.
Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: brak at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (MJuTN)
Thank you for reopening posts, Ace.
Too bad I now have other things I've got to do.
Oh, and waterboarding these people is okay by me.
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (RcpcZ)
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:19 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: Roy at March 22, 2016 03:19 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Hi Ho at March 22, 2016 03:19 PM (CPk08)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 03:12 PM (2d71x) "
Ace of Spades...it's a cookbook!
Oh, wait, wrong episode.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 22, 2016 03:19 PM (4/i9Y)
Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at March 22, 2016 03:19 PM (rlfds)
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 03:13 PM (t2KH5)
And it will be enough. Radiation and Nuclear freaks people out. You can't irradiate food because that freaks people out. Its called and MRI because Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imaging would likely have people refusing to enter the machine.
The goal is not just death and destruction. It is also panic and terror.
Posted by: buzzion at March 22, 2016 03:19 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (JxMoP)
maybe that was where I heard it.
if he knew they were going to get everything in his phone and computer maybe he went with a use it or lose it strategy and launched everyone.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:19 PM (vb33c)
"The latest report from Fukushima revealed that more people have died from stress-related illnesses and other maladies after the disaster than from injuries directly linked to the disaster. "
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/
2014/03/01/editorials/fukushimas-appalling-death-toll/
Posted by: Hector's Inflatable WIfe at March 22, 2016 03:19 PM (PjWy4)
Chain migration. Immigration allows relatives of American citizens to bypass quotas and get into the US and get citizenship.
Which means that once you let one person in, you let in his entire extended family.
Some of whom may just be here to soak benefits.
Didn't use to be this way. You can thank Ted Kennedy for this broken system.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:19 PM (uURQL)
For some stupid fucking reason we have decided not to ENFORCE those laws. Nothing's broken. Enforce the fucking laws on the books now.
...
because the left has convinced everyone that immigration control is "racist" and much of the socially liberal middle upper class that controls the GOP has bought into this, or is so afraid of the "racist" charge they will not speak up against this stupid claim.
Therefore, the only way people feel safe discussing enforcing immigration is if they simultaneously promise to greatly expand legal immigration -- that is, immigration enforcement is an evil which can only be justified if there is some greater good (of higher legal immigration) to balance that evil out.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:20 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: ChocoCheese at March 22, 2016 03:20 PM (sdfeb)
Who else is surprised Ace didn't ban himself again ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:19 PM (fiGNd)
Oooo! Ooo! Ooo!
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 22, 2016 03:20 PM (/wVDI)
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:13 PM (IIlHS)
Homicide is always a crime. The penalties are (legally) waived if it's justified (or sometimes excusable, which is a different standard).
I dislike the concept of torture immensely, so I'm not *happy* about it, and circumstances that justify it are rare... but far from impossible.
I think it was Bruce Willis as a general in The Siege who *begged* the politicians not to send him to impose martial law (or the equivalent). What kind of pissed me off is that the film still portrayed him as a villain or near-villain in the end, even though he laid out in detail what he was being asked for and said "don't do this."
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 22, 2016 03:20 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: zombie Kubrick at March 22, 2016 03:20 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:20 PM (IIlHS)
Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 22, 2016 03:20 PM (+aCe4)
What "justifies" torture is the calculus of the greatest good for the greatest number. Break one egg, just one, just this once, to make a delicious omelet.
But being justified isn't the same thing as being morally right. Torture is always outside morality. It's also true that sometimes it works and innocent lives are thereby protected.
Rule of thumb: when you die, beg for God's mercy.
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:13 PM (IIlHS)
++++
It is morally justified to treat your enemies as they treat you. The reason the great powers got together behind the Geneva Convention was to protect their own soldiers. If England and France agree that they will each treat prisoners of war under an agreed upon set of rules, it because each does not want their own soldiers to be tortured, starved, and otherwise mistreated.
But, it will not work if just one side unilaterally decides that for moral reasons they will abide by certain moral standards. That will not constrain the enemy. So, to get fair treatment for your own people, you dish out the same as what you are getting. Then the other side will have a motive to come to an agreement.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 03:20 PM (R+30W)
No. Perfectly lawful, in fact. Non-state actor, unlawful combatant. So, do whatever it takes to get whatever information you can out of him and then 2-in-the-hat.
Either that or start teaching your kids and grandkids to face Mecca and get on their faces 5x/day. There really isn't much other choice.
And thanks, ace.
Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2016 03:20 PM (zrsn3)
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 03:13 PM (t2KH5)
In the emergency responder community we refer to dirty bombs as Weapons on Mass Distraction.
Posted by: Drill Thrawl at March 22, 2016 03:21 PM (mMsFC)
Posted by: Pipe Holder at March 22, 2016 03:21 PM (Z/diL)
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at March 22, 2016 03:21 PM (OQ9R7)
... you mentioned something about Vox Populi yesterday. Is that the Sean Astin site ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:21 PM (fiGNd)
That's where the second rule comes in: Live like each moment is your last. (I tend to fall down on that one a lot.)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 22, 2016 03:21 PM (9krrF)
We had those but now that I'm on these high blood pills I think that much potassium might kill me via hyperkalemia.
KI03.
Guess I should ask first. Ace, do you have an issue with a website plug?
I am not in any way, shape, or form affiliated with them and receive zero anything from them, it's just where I got my Y2k supply from.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:21 PM (uf5be)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:21 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: Furious George at March 22, 2016 03:22 PM (3GAnN)
Posted by: Mark E at March 22, 2016 03:22 PM (A6NWa)
Sweet baby jeebus if the tepid air refugees are ruining this blog by bugging Ace into CJ mode I do not want to think what will happen to the rest of the conversative blogosphere.
The country and world is going to shit. Please don't take our great blogs into the gutter too with circular flame war firing squads. We need Ace and the horde as one happy hobo hunting family.
Don you lace wig and stompy boots. In the words of Brian Dennehey, "I was not even in that movie but thanks!". Comment on!
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at March 22, 2016 03:22 PM (t5zu8)
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This is actually a good rule of thumb for everyone.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 22, 2016 03:16 PM (9krrF)
Possibly wiser all around to do it while you're still living, and even best when you're relatively unthreatened, even.
Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (s5o+q)
Do it now, and do it everday.
If you're wondering why you would beg God's mercy every day... you're in real need of it right now.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:22 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 22, 2016 03:22 PM (zGcgE)
It is a valid question as to the reliability any information gained through more "enhanced" means. Fair enough. Validating information or detaining the incorrect people is better than getting no information while trying to impress people who are willing to give up their own lives to kill you with how nice you are.
Posted by: Damiano at March 22, 2016 03:22 PM (XItbt)
Perhaps, as part of our new relationship with Cuba, we can provide them periodic shipments of Arab 'tourists' (yeah thats the word) in an effort to spark their fledgling economy.
Posted by: McCool at March 22, 2016 03:22 PM (TQxRy)
"Rule of thumb: when you die, beg for God's mercy. "
There is an old Jewish saying: a man should repent the day before he dies.
Posted by: Mallfly Cloggenstein of Bratwurst Vt at March 22, 2016 03:22 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at March 22, 2016 03:22 PM (g4zfM)
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 22, 2016 03:22 PM (uz/Pv)
... you mentioned something about Vox Populi yesterday. Is that the Sean Astin site ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:21 PM (fiGNd)
Crap, misremembered. It's Vox Popoli. voxday.blogspot.com
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:22 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Cheyenne Mountain at March 22, 2016 03:23 PM (mcm0N)
Whoa. That's just too cruel. Even we have limits.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 22, 2016 03:18 PM (+aCe4)<<<
What is that? Pebbles in the privates, or seeing her naked, eating cake on a toilet.
Either way... the horror... the horror.
Posted by: Col. Kurtz at March 22, 2016 03:23 PM (H9MG5)
It's in French with subtitles. There's a US version on Netflix or Amazon also but the French version is better (even with the subtitles). 16 episodes about an hour long, not the movie which the French version is based off of.
The US version is shorter because - advertising. They left out some important stuff so it's the abridged version.
Posted by: CozMark at March 22, 2016 03:23 PM (CbGSW)
Also, spellcheck changes my nic to 'gay'
Posted by: GT 5.0 at March 22, 2016 03:13 PM (F18mI)
Well you are referencing mustangs after all.
Posted by: Drill Thrawl at March 22, 2016 03:23 PM (mMsFC)
Torture is wrong. It is sometimes effective. If lives are in your care, and you have to make that bet, I would do it carefully, beg God for mercy, and not make it a habit.
And being grateful I don't have to make that decision, I support, sympathize, and pray for those who do.
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:23 PM (IIlHS)
They were probably afraid he might be able to give up their whereabouts.
Or maybe break into their iPhones...
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 22, 2016 03:23 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: DB at March 22, 2016 03:23 PM (eSp8U)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 22, 2016 03:23 PM (vBeA5)
I wish I could say I was hopeful that this would wake people up, but I'm not.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
After every wake up call comes the snooze button.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Yo! at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (GwIKd)
Posted by: daninmichigan at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (2yD4G)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (kTF2Z)
ehhhh... seems a little strained as a theory. why do terrorists need a go-code to terrorize? it's what they were planning anyway.
and the terrorists know the Belgians picked up Abdeslam. Why do they need a signal from him to attack Belgium? Their minds were probably running that way anyway.
Also, I don't know how critical Abdeslam is. In the early days people called him a "mastermind" but I think he might have been more like a logistics guy or a planner. he seems to have chickened out from blowing himself up in the November 13 attacks. (I think he was at the stadium, but didn't blow up his belt.)
Finally I have trouble crediting this guy with laying out a master plan of what to do when he's arrested. I just don't want to give him that credit.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Pipe Holder at March 22, 2016 03:21 PM (Z/diL)
Dude it calmed everyone down.
He said temporarily. He didn't say permanently. He said temporarily.
Seriously it wasn't the end of the world and it had the desired effect.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (IIlHS)
why make him a martyr. sex with dunham is going to get you your virgins too.
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No, pigs are unclean in Islam.
Posted by: Guzalot at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (prSvo)
With that context, I would have no problems with extremely enhanced interrogation techniques.
Posted by: An Poc Ar Buile at March 22, 2016 03:25 PM (9QUPT)
This. An attack like this can only be planned and implemented so quickly if the logistics are already in place. That means they were already going to hit something.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 22, 2016 03:25 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:25 PM (fiGNd)
It depends who you are doing it to
To me the main concern is for the troops having to administer it, not the terrorist
Posted by: ThunderB at March 22, 2016 03:25 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 22, 2016 03:25 PM (r9tFS)
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:25 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Chris M at March 22, 2016 03:26 PM (k3w9p)
Posted by: Dave at March 22, 2016 03:26 PM (kH/If)
Posted by: Kensington at March 22, 2016 03:26 PM (7Kbxu)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 03:26 PM (2d71x)
That's a great line.
One question though. Does torture really work?
Posted by: Mike at March 22, 2016 03:26 PM (c056A)
Posted by: donna at March 22, 2016 03:26 PM (/dSsq)
laying out a master plan of what to do when he's arrested. I just don't
want to give him that credit.
Posted by: ace
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I heard they caught the mastermind a few blocks away from the home he grew up in. Mastermind?
Posted by: CozMark at March 22, 2016 03:26 PM (CbGSW)
Dude it calmed everyone down.
He said temporarily. He didn't say permanently. He said temporarily.
Seriously it wasn't the end of the world and it had the desired effect.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (xuouz)
It's ace's house. And he's been more lenient than his initial judgement to shut it down all day.
Ace has been a gracious and longsuffering host. Respect it, or go make your own Internet community.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (uURQL)
Another professional forum I am on is reporting the Belgian cops found more explosives in an apartment block and were waiting on EOD support.
If that commenter earlier today was right, and it WAS TATP that was the filler, that can be unpleasant shit to make.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (u4OEB)
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Finally I have trouble crediting this guy with laying out a master plan of what to do when he's arrested. I just don't want to give him that credit.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (dciA+)
I'm just surprised they don't do this more often. It makes me think they probably ARE more organized than we think. To what end...who can say? I mean at the end of the day this is just pissing everyone off and laying the groundwork for serious retaliation against muslims as a group.
If they turn the left against them they're gonna regret it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (xuouz)
I think a dirty bomb in Louisville does at least five million in improvements. Conservative estimate.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (fiGNd)
It's gonna take alot more dead people.
10s of thousands? Hundreds?
More?
Posted by: eleven at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (qUNWi)
What are anti-R tablets? Potassium Iodide?
We had those but now that I'm on these high blood pills I think that much potassium might kill me via hyperkalemia.
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:15 PM (cbfNE)
Potassium Iodide pills are designed for nuclear accidents involving the release of core materials. They may or may not do any good at all for the so-called dirty bomb. It depends on what the scum used for a radioactive material. They are designed to saturate the thyroid with clean Iodine so that entry of radioactive I-131 will not lodge in the thyroid and will be passed from the body. The other major problem is that you have to take them BEFORE exposure to the radioactive Iodine. So if someone blows up a bomb that releases I-131 in your area if you don't have the pills on you they are useless.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (t2KH5)
Oh.
Well, I'm going to play The Division and explode stickybombs on top of crates in a video game.
Pixel violence always makes me happy.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (ZnYPD)
Posted by: Scont at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (AGtIR)
Posted by: Charles Johnson at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (wvT01)
laying out a master plan of what to do when he's arrested. I just don't
want to give him that credit.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (dciA+)
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I think you were right the first time. The rest of the group figured he was going to snitch, so they picked a target and went for it.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (Qvgg/)
Posted by: Chris M at March 22, 2016 03:26 PM (k3w9p)
You are correct sir.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (2d71x)
Europe can't remember how to interrogate harshly and even before Brak the U.S. methods took days to get past an Islamist radical's religious imperative to "resist as long as possible"
Posted by: Palerider at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (dkExz)
I realize a "planner" sounds like a mastermind but when I think mastermind I also think "leader." I'm not sure if he was a leader, or just a guy who could organize things.
more like a tactical operations officer
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (lKyWE)
Surprised He didn't leave the Country...
Posted by: donna at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (/dSsq)
Seriously it wasn't the end of the world and it had the desired effect.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (xuouz)
Temporary measures are often far more reasonable than permanent ones. Even when you don't agree with them, once they're over things may be able to go back to normal. It's a stark difference compared to permanent hatreds or complete chaos.
I think it could apply to more than just commenting bans too.
Posted by: trev006 at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (MEHba)
Posted by: redridinghood at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (7GQM/)
Jack Ryan does the same thing in Patriot Games.
Posted by: Hector's Inflatable WIfe at March 22, 2016 03:28 PM (PjWy4)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:28 PM (uf5be)
Either way, the religion of pieces strikes again. And I wouldn't have just twisted his arms to get the information, I'd have broken both of them and his kneecaps just for good measure.
Posted by: Old Blue at March 22, 2016 03:28 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: Damiano at March 22, 2016 03:28 PM (XItbt)
Would it have been immoral to twist this guy's arms until he gives up his compatriots?
Is voice recognition software good enough to filter Arab names in French out of midwaterboarded splutter bubbles? Let's find out.
Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2016 03:28 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Kahlid Sheik Mohammad at March 22, 2016 03:28 PM (LYCUN)
Even $5 per month should keep the riffraff out.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius' Underpants at March 22, 2016 03:28 PM (EsN3H)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:28 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:28 PM (IIlHS)
Posted by: Mister Christopher (in Atlanta!) at March 22, 2016 03:29 PM (SLJ40)
Huh. It's funny that anti-Semites like to tell Jews in Europe to leave and go back to their homeland, but no one thinks to say the same thing to the Muslims. Why should a Jew whose family has been in France for generations be so easily dismissed and not recent, or 1st generation Muslims.
Getting back to where to move the malcontents: still waiting for the European open-borders people to explain why the refugees should travel the seas to get there when there are plenty of Muslim countries closer to Syria in which to settle.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2016 03:29 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: concrete girl at March 22, 2016 03:29 PM (ceWrl)
Posted by: Lauren at March 22, 2016 03:29 PM (BMCq5)
Been another terrible day but I think there will be more attacks throughout Europe. You reap what you sow. Has anyone checked in with Merkel? Just asking.
Posted by: turambar at March 22, 2016 03:29 PM (JDqkn)
I'm continually amazed by this question. Torture - real, serious, agonizing torture - has been practiced in some form for the entirety of recorded history. But now, somehow, we seem to think "it doesn't really work".
Possible? Sure, I suppose.
More likely its a direct result of our post-WWII pussified everyone-gets-a-trophy culture wanting to lose with "dignity".
Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2016 03:29 PM (zrsn3)
Posted by: Yo! at March 22, 2016 03:29 PM (GwIKd)
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2016 03:29 PM (fizMZ)
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (dciA+) "
That's what is so menacing about this. Every time we kill "essential" personnel, it does nothing to stem the attacks. Because the ideology is still the root cause, and most of these attacks, as noted, aren't exactly imaginative. They're simplistic, because why fix what ain't broken. A few DIY bombs in the right locations against a society unwilling to do what is necessary to prevent it.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 22, 2016 03:30 PM (4/i9Y)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 22, 2016 03:30 PM (r9tFS)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 22, 2016 03:30 PM (wtvvX)
It's gonna take alot more dead people.
10s of thousands? Hundreds?
More?
Posted by: eleven at March 22, 2016 03:27 PM (qUNWi)
Hopefully only a few hundred. There will be more attacks like this, and prevention is impossible. Completely impossible. They will have to be hunted down, and this will have to happen through the mosques and in the banlieues.
Having made their bed, we'll just have to see how enthusiastically the Europeans decide to lie in it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:31 PM (xuouz)
Even $5 per month should keep the riffraff out.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius' Underpants at March 22, 2016 03:28 PM (EsN3H)
Then it gets messier when you start moderating your own site to your own taste, because the exchange of money makes it, in some ineffable legalish way, not quite totally "your site" any more.
Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2016 03:31 PM (s5o+q)
Even $5 per month should keep the riffraff out.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius' Underpants at March 22, 2016 03:28 PM (EsN3H)
fucking one percenters
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:31 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: Cheyenne Mountain at March 22, 2016 03:31 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2016 03:31 PM (fizMZ)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 22, 2016 03:31 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: m at March 22, 2016 03:31 PM (S/1cF)
It probably sometimes results in lies, but the notion that it never works seems like another Leftist shibboleth.
The question is whether it should be used regardless of whether it is effective. And there are probably people who were injured today who still wouldn't like to see it employed.
I'm agnostic on the question myself.
Posted by: Kensington at March 22, 2016 03:32 PM (7Kbxu)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 22, 2016 03:32 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: turambar at March 22, 2016 03:32 PM (JDqkn)
Posted by: Mike at March 22, 2016 03:32 PM (c056A)
That's how our Adversaries roll. (And why I'm still trying to find that stupid Greasemonkey script.)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 22, 2016 03:32 PM (9krrF)
Lead pants would be a real problem for this crowd. Especially at the rate we're shitting them.
Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2016 03:32 PM (DL2i+)
I'd love to see chemistry play a bigger role. As in an injectable that quickly makes it impossible not to answer honestly. But I'm not against other, more forceful measures.
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 22, 2016 03:32 PM (U+nHb)
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What are "the contents of your mother's nightstand" , Trebek?
Posted by: Sean Connery at March 22, 2016 03:32 PM (kXzR8)
The Greater Gooooood
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:32 PM (xuouz)
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The ultimate First World Problem.
Go to some blog that appreciates you more, buddy. Don't you have any self respect? If I were in a relationship with someone I didn't feel respected me, and even was becoming the worst thing in the world -- "LGF!" -- I sure would hope I'd have the self-respect to depart.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:32 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:28 PM (IIlHS)
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At the point that sharia law is the law of the land and they have the choice of converting or dying, they just might.
But, as much as I would like to tell them I told you so, it probably wouldn't be worth it.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 03:32 PM (R+30W)
Posted by: IC at March 22, 2016 03:33 PM (a0IVu)
And presently I am rewriting a chapter about cannibals during the siege of Leningrad. Somehow I find the cannibals more human than Islamic terrorists.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2016 03:33 PM (0vZ6F)
Even $5 per month should keep the riffraff out.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius' Underpants at March 22, 2016 03:28 PM (EsN3H)
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fucking one percenters
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:31 PM (vb33c)
Perhaps a hobo pelt bartering program would allow those monetarily challenged to still participate?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:33 PM (uURQL)
Didn't think you were, Mike. Sorry if it came across as such.
Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2016 03:33 PM (zrsn3)
Posted by: Barack Obama at March 22, 2016 03:33 PM (lKyWE)
I haven't seen this kind of French resolve against evil since Germans marched down the Champs d'Elyssee
Posted by: kbdabear at March 22, 2016 03:33 PM (n8iZZ)
The sound of that one child screaming was enough for me.
World leader Hollande is right. This is war.
Posted by: PJ at March 22, 2016 03:34 PM (cHuNI)
Posted by: Cheyenne Mountain at March 22, 2016 03:34 PM (mcm0N)
Now I have had that same epithet directed at me by Fenolen Spoke when she could not fathom the possibility that a Christian could dress up in Jewish 'garb' and still be a Christian. Sometime around san bern.
So it's a word that gets tossed around a lot. BB is a regular, decent commenter.
Posted by: mega machines at March 22, 2016 03:34 PM (fbovC)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 22, 2016 03:34 PM (Saqzi)
Posted by: Wendy at March 22, 2016 03:34 PM (bpemY)
Caught in the act/with the goods is good enough for me.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:34 PM (uf5be)
Those were the days, eh?
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:34 PM (cbfNE)
Actually if by chance, and it's a good one, You are a trump backer try Gateway Pundit, and Drudge,... They're all Trump all the time... If Cruz floats your boat, Redstate is your blog..... Hot Air? Not sure...
Posted by: donna at March 22, 2016 03:34 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:10 PM (uf5be)
Well, the "getting stumble-drunk" part I could handle, but there are no open graves nearby for me to fall into.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 22, 2016 03:35 PM (jV8Mq)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2016 03:35 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: 13times at March 22, 2016 03:35 PM (WHVu+)
Posted by: junior at March 22, 2016 03:35 PM (mUM5y)
That's what is so menacing about this. Every time we kill "essential" personnel, it does nothing to stem the attacks. Because the ideology is still the root cause, and most of these attacks, as noted, aren't exactly imaginative. They're simplistic, because why fix what ain't broken. A few DIY bombs in the right locations against a society unwilling to do what is necessary to prevent it.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 22, 2016 03:30 PM (4/i9Y)
well the problem is that they are not especially sophisticated. everyone is always saying it was a "highly coordinated", which it was relative to some thugs in stlouis trying to rip a cash register off the counter of a kwik e mart or strong arm the shop manager and steal a bunch of cigars. however, using cell phones to get two or three guys to show up at the same place at the same time is not especially sophisticated on the scale of assaults.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:35 PM (vb33c)
interesting that her movements today are entirely restricted to areas where she's likely to encounter the like-minded
which means that her t-shirt isn't meant to persuade you of something, but to enforce something
party discipline
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:35 PM (IIlHS)
Posted by: wth at March 22, 2016 03:35 PM (HgMAr)
So, when do the latest version of The Crusades begin over there?
When the Euros find a deity to worship.
Posted by: Wendy at March 22, 2016 03:36 PM (bpemY)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/h79vv86
Posted by: Valiant at March 22, 2016 03:36 PM (3MiF8)
Need a Christian revival first.
Which may or may not be triggered by Islamic Expansion into the West.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:36 PM (uURQL)
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If I had a dime for every liberal @sshole who claimed they though the Muslim call to pray was the most beautiful sound in the word...
...well, I'd have a few bucks, but I would despise that money.
Posted by: Kensington at March 22, 2016 03:36 PM (7Kbxu)
ace: keep up the fight.
Posted by: Il Padrino at March 22, 2016 03:36 PM (TasoZ)
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2016 03:36 PM (fizMZ)
I wish I could say I was hopeful that this would wake people up, but I'm not.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
After every wake up call comes the snooze button.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 22, 2016 03:24 PM (FkBIv)
You would have thought 9/11 would have too-but how quick were people to jump on the islamaphobia shtick? honestly, if an event happened here in the US, the only people who would care would be those in the vicinity, and those like us, who understand the existential and existing threat we are up against. Most would get their latte and check their phones.
Posted by: Moki at March 22, 2016 03:36 PM (7q2ch)
Deep breaths - that's the ticket...don't lettum getcha down, yer Basic TDS can handle it, knowwhutImean?...
Posted by: J.S.Bridges at March 22, 2016 03:36 PM (DsGWS)
interesting that her movements today are entirely restricted to areas where she's likely to encounter the like-minded
which means that her t-shirt isn't meant to persuade you of something, but to enforce something
party discipline
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:35 PM (IIlHS)
Virtue signalling.
Posted by: filbert at March 22, 2016 03:36 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 22, 2016 03:36 PM (2cS/G)
When someone is banned, there is no recourse for their friends. There is no way to get in touch with them or follow up with them. It's like they have never been.
I understand there have to be rules. If I were to put it in Christian terms, I would say there is Righteousness. And then there is Mercy.
Respectfully,
grammie winger
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 22, 2016 03:36 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 03:36 PM (2d71x)
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:37 PM (IIlHS)
Posted by: donna at March 22, 2016 03:37 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: thespellingpolice at March 22, 2016 03:37 PM (UlI/7)
Posted by: ladies and gentlemen, the Kansas City Chiefs !! at March 22, 2016 03:37 PM (/542q)
Ask the Nazis of WWII. They wiped out entire cells of French Resistence fighters by torturing one or two of the captured fighters (or family members).
You see, you don't start torturing without knowing a little info in advance.
At times you ask them questions you have confirmed the answer to in advance. That way if they lie, you know. Then you can act accordingly.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 22, 2016 03:38 PM (+aCe4)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:38 PM (uURQL)
Police stopped Salah Abdeslam, 26, hours after the attacks, in a car on his way toward the Belgian border but let him go because he apparently hadn't yet been linked to the terrorist operation.
^
that's a snip from a news piece from last November. He wasn't the only the police released, either. Shortly after, the po-po realized they might've fugged up. Y'think?
I don't understand how anyone thinks the Islamic terrorism will stop when we conduct business like this.
Bill Belichick has a great line he tells his team. I don't know if he invented it but I think so.
"You do business as business is being done."
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 03:38 PM (o2321)
Posted by: Max Power at March 22, 2016 03:38 PM (q177U)
But, I agree with the notion that these guys were in a use or lose it scenario -- so they hit some soft targets before they got scooped up.
Posted by: Jean at March 22, 2016 03:38 PM (cXiMR)
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2016 03:38 PM (fizMZ)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 22, 2016 03:38 PM (21hN3)
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2016 03:38 PM (0vZ6F)
Posted by: SOUTHDAKOTABOY at March 22, 2016 03:38 PM (JaJ3u)
he went after someone in a screed that included something like "and if you disagree, you can go f*ck your mother."
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:38 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: USA at March 22, 2016 03:39 PM (tfM+W)
Posted by: Max Power at March 22, 2016 03:39 PM (q177U)
Nothing substantial will be done about this and future attacks as long as it's just the nobody serfs dying and not celebrities or the elite class.
Posted by: kbdabear at March 22, 2016 03:39 PM (n8iZZ)
You see, you don't start torturing without knowing a little info in advance.
At times you ask them questions you have confirmed the answer to in advance. That way if they lie, you know. Then you can act accordingly.
Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 22, 2016 03:38 PM (+aCe4)
*makes note not to fuck with Tilikum*
Yeah so uh *ahem* torture. Not good, usually, but if it's a jihadi, I mean. What's the big deal?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:39 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 22, 2016 03:39 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 03:39 PM (mw8Dm)
party discipline
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:35 PM (IIlHS)
Virtue signalling.
Posted by: filbert
Best definition evah!
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:39 PM (uf5be)
Posted by: Max Power at March 22, 2016 03:39 PM (q177U)
Too late.
everyone ignore him and don't quote him and he won't know if he's bee shadowbanned or not.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:39 PM (xuouz)
Who?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 03:40 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 22, 2016 03:40 PM (n8iZZ)
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Pope Frankie the Red to go all Urban II and start calling for volunteers to "take the cross."
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2016 03:40 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2016 03:40 PM (fizMZ)
probably how kasich feels.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:40 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 22, 2016 03:40 PM (lKyWE)
Compared against other topless protesters -- generally a pretty sorry bunch -- I give her a B. Within the Natural Chubby Asian category, a B+
Can't fault the grading at all. But it's only technically "topless" if you have stickers over the nipples. One of hers is even a "free the nipple" sticker, which...sputter...sputter.
The Femen broads are usually actually topless. Just sayin', Bernie fans, please up your game.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (1xUj/)
I saw that Slapweasel got nailed - what did he do? We're sort of kindred spirits....
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius' Underpants at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (EsN3H)
Posted by: Cheyenne Mountain at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (mcm0N)
Precisely. Nothing at all will change for the cultural/political elites until its the folks in gated communities and Tony Neighborhoods - they and their friends, in other words - getting blown-up.
Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (zrsn3)
I've been blogging a bit for the last two days instead of lurking.
Posted by: baldilocks at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (ys2UW)
So yeah, of course it can sometimes (and has given) give you good results. If security agencies were perfect, there would be no problem using it, but they aren't, so it ends up yielding crap in the intermediate to long run.
Posted by: HiHo at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (CPk08)
Beisbol. nyuk nyuk. In Coobah. nyuk nyuk.
Posted by: Barry's Fine Self at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (HgMAr)
ace, declares 24 moratorium
ace, retreats an hour or so later
ace the capitulator
...
I walk back promises and policies within an hour like your Leader. I'm surprised you're not praising me for Making the Blog Great Again.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (dciA+)
and the others you banned? you know, the guys who uttered no cuss words, no personal attacks of any kind? but yes, you are a pussy
Posted by: Banning Games! 4 at March 22, 2016 03:40 PM (I4cMM)
does having a hot mom or ugly mom make that more or less offensive?
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:42 PM (vb33c)
One question though. Does torture really work?
Posted by: Mike at March 22, 2016 03:26 PM (c056A)
Of course it does. And I'd say most of the info you get is probably accurate. The question is, how do you verify the info, and can you do it in time for the intel to actually be useful? The reason you resist torture/interrogation as long as you can stand it isn't to deny your enemy the intel, but to give your own side time to make changes so the intel loses it's value.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 22, 2016 03:42 PM (/wVDI)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (e3bId)
Indeed, the entire weasel genome my be in danger.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2016 03:42 PM (8ZskC)
In secret.
And if it ever gets out, they can feign moral superiority and imprison the same guys who protected them.
Posted by: RayJ at March 22, 2016 03:42 PM (pI/IV)
Oh, okay. That's over the line by a wide margin. Don't even have to get under the hood and check the replay.
*picks up challenge flag*
Posted by: mega machines at March 22, 2016 03:42 PM (fbovC)
Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2016 03:42 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (e3bId)
Don't you mean he got slapped?
Don't know what triggered it, but he's back and posting in this thread.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:42 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 22, 2016 03:42 PM (U+nHb)
Worked on me.
Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 22, 2016 03:11 PM (fiGNd)
Nice.
Posted by: m at March 22, 2016 03:42 PM (S/1cF)
Posted by: turambar at March 22, 2016 03:43 PM (JDqkn)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2016 03:43 PM (e3bId)
As Marcellus Wallace would say I think it's time to take out the pliers and blow torch and get mid evil on these monsters.
Posted by: Frank at March 22, 2016 03:43 PM (noank)
it can be that, but not in this case because she assumed everyone was a friendly
party discipline can be enforced through shit tests, which this was, and shit tests are also used to flush out unfriendlies
when lefties start ranting about Trump for example, they *expect* you to join in (hello Orwell) and if you don't, or aren't enthusiastic enough, they make a mental note
it's very important for lefty to feel politically-emotionally safe. that's why lefty is always about policing and shit testing
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:43 PM (IIlHS)
The person who got BBoy all riled up (very unlike him, btw) was a new name.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 03:44 PM (o2321)
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Posted by: 13times at March 22, 2016 03:44 PM (WHVu+)
Posted by: antisocialist at March 22, 2016 03:44 PM (9n14Y)
Posted by: Yo! at March 22, 2016 03:44 PM (GwIKd)
Need a Christian revival first.
Well it an attack during Holy Week
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 22, 2016 03:40 PM (lKyWE)
Since the original crusades were instigated by the pope we first need a new pope. The current one is welcoming the phony migrants to Europe with open arms and a communist manifesto.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 03:44 PM (t2KH5)
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (dciA+)
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hahahahah That's the Ace I love.
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 22, 2016 03:44 PM (U+nHb)
Posted by: ajmojo at March 22, 2016 03:44 PM (1H9ox)
Posted by: Barry's Fine Self at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (HgMAr)
but this is out of control, with people deciding that just because they have some political disagreement, it's now time for the Trumpian "Go fuck your mother, then" personal attacks.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 03:44 PM (t2KH5)
Maybe we can have a non-Catholic Crusade.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (uURQL)
Who?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 03:40 PM (mw8Dm)
http://tinyurl.com/z86tffz
Posted by: kbdabear at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (n8iZZ)
I'll take the credit for that one - but I did not create the meme.
First time I saw it here, late last week, I laughed my ass off.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:42 PM (vb33c)
No mom's are ugly....well yeah ok, there was that mom of the crooks in Goonies....
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: Trumpian Uberman Schlong at March 22, 2016 03:44 PM (3YCXd)
someone said he was standing under the huge wall painting of che looking for a hole to insert a prayer.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (5wiY1)
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (OQ9R7)
--
We really do.
Even agnostics and atheists should realize this - from a utilitarian pov, we need Christianity if we are to survive Islam.
This is something I think Putin understands.
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (cbfNE)
How about me?
Posted by: Flaming Clown Boner at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (1JqUE)
But not Sooth? You should declare a Jubilee at some point.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (uURQL)
Fewer hosts but more jello salad?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: torquewrench at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: kraken at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (sdxPm)
Would it have been immoral to twist this guy's arms until he gives up his compatriots?
Humans have only been not torturing each other for a very limited time span. Most people who lived prior to now quite literally would not understand those words in that order.
I have no problem with using "enhanced interrogation" on this guy. Though I freely admit that I have no bright line test on this but the closest I can come is that if you are the main suspect in a prior terror bombing and we catch you, well, I'm not going to shed any tears for what is done trying to get you to talk to prevent another one.
When you remove yourself from the strictures of society, you remove yourself from the protections of society. This is not randomly waterboarding or whatever random people. This is someone who by his own actions (to a high degree of probability) decided fuck civilization. Fine. You want to live by primitive rules, we will do the same to you.
It's back to reciprocity. You don't get the protections of civilization when you reject the bounds thereof. You reject one, you reject both.
Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 03:44 PM (t2KH5)
Maybe we can have a non-Catholic Crusade.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (uURQL)
Don't look at us! We don't have nearly enough hot dish or coffee to go around.
Posted by: Lutherans at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (zGcgE)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (uf5be)
Ace's house, ace's rules, and I know it's the software, but...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (9krrF)
you only say that because you've never met mine..
nasty and ugly, inside and out.
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (5wiY1)
Barack
Posted by: steevy at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (B48dK)
346
309 I suggested voting on bannings a week or so ago - didn't get legs.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2016 03:43 PM (e3bId)
Attention, and reaction is what they want. Ignoring the trolls is the best way to deal with them, as it denies them what they crave. They'll get bored, and go away.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (0IhFx)
Posted by: Picric at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (DCe6Z)
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: donna at March 22, 2016 03:34 PM (/dSsq)
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Some of my favorite sites have become very scary.
Breitbart is part of the Trump train. Would not be surprised if Trump has paid these sites or has posters on his payroll. I'm sure he has learned all the tricks about marketing his brand.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 22, 2016 03:47 PM (7GQM/)
Plenty of new names that are self-appointed cobs as well. Then again - seen plenty of old names self-appoint as cobs too.
That annoys me as much as anybody. Too many bosses around here.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:47 PM (fiGNd)
I should have stayed in bed. Eh, time to make some coffee.
Posted by: Puddleglum at March 22, 2016 03:47 PM (0uOZM)
People are raving about 10 Cloverfield Lane. And by people I mean idiots. But are they right?
Tina Fey's latest bomb is getting a 7.0 at imdb. I guess that means I can no longer trust the ratings at IMDB. Is Rotten Tomatoes's ratings reliable? I hate that site.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 03:47 PM (o2321)
A little mood music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhhDbaah9DQ
Posted by: The Crusading Hat at March 22, 2016 03:47 PM (vBeA5)
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 22, 2016 03:38 PM (0vZ6F)
I know it's not the same, but in Timothy Snyder's Bloodlands, he describes what the Ukranians went through when Stalin was purging the entire country. And you are correct, they had more honor.
Ace, belatedly, thank you for turning the comments back on. There is no reason to put up with jerkiness in your house. I've done it before, and I am really sorry. Also, thank you for the yeoman's work today. This was a big news day, and that stress on top of the crap being flung did nothing for your (or anyone else's) blood pressure. Thanks for bearing with us.
Posted by: Moki at March 22, 2016 03:47 PM (7q2ch)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugiQXvz_i_o
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 22, 2016 03:47 PM (aVYsC)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (e3bId)
Don't you mean he got slapped?
Don't know what triggered it, but he's back and posting in this thread.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:42 PM (uURQL)
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I thought I saw in the Apocalypse Thread that he was banned with Backwards Boy. Hopefully their sentences can be reduced.
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2016 03:48 PM (e3bId)
but this is out of control, with people deciding that just because they have some political disagreement, it's now time for the Trumpian "Go fuck your mother, then" personal attacks.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (dciA+)
The thing is I asked people not make gratuitous personal attacks. And then what does BBoy do? Make a gratuitous personal attack. ?!
He's banned but not ban-banned. Given his history he's welcome back if he agrees to not do this kind of thing in the future.
Posted by: Maetenloch at March 22, 2016 03:48 PM (pAlYe)
... Is the microphone switched off now? Brother, have some candy ... this was a terrific operation.
Posted by: Gruntled Muslim at March 22, 2016 03:48 PM (1glMt)
Mantan Moreland.
Posted by: Hector's Inflatable WIfe at March 22, 2016 03:48 PM (PjWy4)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 22, 2016 03:32 PM (9krrF)
It stopped working for me. Keep saying I'll try to fix it, never get around to it.
http://userscripts-mirror.org/scripts/show/36395
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 22, 2016 03:48 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 22, 2016 03:48 PM (21hN3)
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (dciA+)
*polishes ace' s gilded ewok cave*
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:48 PM (cbfNE)
Everyone, Let's Please Recognize the True Victim Today - President Obama #Brussels
http://tinyurl.com/h7rkguo
Posted by: kbdabear at March 22, 2016 03:49 PM (n8iZZ)
So yeah, of course it can sometimes (and has given) give you good results. If security agencies were perfect, there would be no problem using it, but they aren't, so it ends up yielding crap in the intermediate to long run.
Posted by: HiHo at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM (CPk0
++++
I'm not eager to see us actually torturing people. But, much of what we do and have done that gets described as torture really isn't. Waterboarding, stress positions, denial of sleep. etc. These are all serious interrogation techniques that should be used sparingly. I hope I am never in a position where they would get applied to me.
But, those are just not the same as pulling peoples' fingernails out, getting worked over with a blowtorch, etc. Those are things that are real torture and as far as I know, we haven't done anything like that in a very long time.
Regarding the Israelis, can you give more info about when and what they nixed?
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 03:49 PM (R+30W)
The origins of "outlaw".
Outside the law. Outside the protections of the law.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:49 PM (uf5be)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 22, 2016 03:49 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: donna at March 22, 2016 03:26 PM (/dSsq)
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The only redeeming thing about this horrific attack is that it took the camera off Che-oom Boy's vacation in paradise.
Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at March 22, 2016 03:49 PM (T/5A0)
Posted by: Grandmalcaesar at March 22, 2016 03:49 PM (djypb)
Someone called him out about manufacturing knowledge and he went off-profanely. Agreed, not like him, but there are rules.
Posted by: Flaming Clown Boner at March 22, 2016 03:49 PM (+aCe4)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2016 03:49 PM (e3bId)
i'm sure maet will unban Backwards Boy, or I will, if he asks, after a period of time.
That's swell! Thank you.
BBoy has had a tough go for a long time now and this place is kind of like a refuge. That's true for many here.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 03:50 PM (o2321)
Posted by: Hillary! at March 22, 2016 03:50 PM (Muhcb)
My question: How long before the West decides it has had enough of Islamic terrorism and thin-skinned Muslims? The tempo on these mass attacks has been increasing, and each attack is greeted by cries of "Don't blame Islam!" When will we in the West decide that the lives of our children are more important than a Muslim's bruised over-inflated ego? When will we actually fight back instead of groveling before these 7th Century savages, begging for worthless "agreements" and "treaties"? Yesterday, Paris. Today, Brussels. Tomorrow, ???
Posted by: catlady at March 22, 2016 03:50 PM (bn5b8)
Need a Christian revival first.
--
We really do.
Even agnostics and atheists should realize this - from a utilitarian pov, we need Christianity if we are to survive Islam.
This is something I think Putin understands.
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (cbfNE)
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This is why I don't get all upset and invested in political candidates. Political candidates aren't going to fix this. Politicians will not put Humpty Dumpty together again. True change will only come when hearts change. Only God can change your heart. Only God can make things new.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 22, 2016 03:50 PM (dFi94)
probably has nothing to do with it
iirc, Belgians are among the least religious of all EUniks
Pew has data: http://bit.ly/25k9bgl
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:50 PM (IIlHS)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 22, 2016 03:50 PM (0mRoj)
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 22, 2016 03:51 PM (5wiY1)
I'm surprised you're not praising me for Making the Blog Great Again.
....................
As soon as we get steaks.
Posted by: wth at March 22, 2016 03:51 PM (HgMAr)
Mantan Moreland.
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No shit? I copped it from the Beastie Boys as a catch phrase years ago. Never bothered to look up where they sampled it from until now.
Posted by: ajmojo at March 22, 2016 03:51 PM (1H9ox)
http://tinyurl.com/h7rkguo
Posted by: kbdabear at March 22, 2016 03:49 PM (n8iZZ)
*swallows rage*
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:51 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 22, 2016 03:51 PM (q1FtT)
Posted by: Puddleglum at March 22, 2016 03:51 PM (0uOZM)
Posted by: Frank at March 22, 2016 03:51 PM (noank)
Time to go full metal "Garak," on these guys.
https://youtu.be/StF9jrhw-pU
Posted by: 13times at March 22, 2016 03:52 PM (WHVu+)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:52 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 22, 2016 03:52 PM (jsWA8)
Joke's on you ... I don't have a heart. Circulation achieved by convection via heat generated by my hate and discontent.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:52 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:52 PM (vb33c)
Remember they are still letting ME 'migrants'.....
Posted by: Yo! at March 22, 2016 03:52 PM (GwIKd)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugiQXvz_i_o---------Buzzsaw
Soooo taking notes....
Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 22, 2016 03:52 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 22, 2016 03:52 PM (0mRoj)
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I didn't get banned. Same hash and everything.
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at March 22, 2016 03:45 PM (OQ9R7)
Good Slappy.
Posted by: eleven at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery
Yes, this.
Inevitably there has to be a line somewhere and people will flick spittle arguing over where exactly it should be, but there ought to be room for the "I know it when I see it" test.
Posted by: Bandersnatch who will now call himself Savagery at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: Weasel at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (e3bId)
And yeah, ignore Banning Games 7,890 or w/e - let him think that his IP masking software broke and that he's shadow banned.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (4/i9Y)
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (u4OEB)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (TJCSB)
Honestly ... not much different than usual.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (fiGNd)
There was a horse, and a guy on fire ...
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (evdj2)
Shit, if this is gonna be that kind of party I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.
..........................
I'll need a few drinks first fellah.
Posted by: Hillarrhoids at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (HgMAr)
Prolly the change to acecomments.mu.nu did it. Let me see if I can tweak it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: mugiwara at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (tv8Dv)
Posted by: Alana at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (6KznF)
Everyone, Let's Please Recognize the True Victim Today - President Obama #Brussels
They harshed his ball game.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (FkBIv)
Ace Tyson And The Lazaruth Bannings
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (o2321)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 22, 2016 03:13 PM (JxMoP)
That or they sent them to the Pacific Theater.
Remember that attack on the US Holocaust Museum a few years back, by some crazy old vet, named von Brunn? I knew he was probably Pacific Theater as soon as they mentioned veteran and his last name. He was also Navy.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (T78UI)
Never cross the mother line.
Now if he had said--"go hump your dog!" he would still be here.
Or in French--va couche avec ton chien.
Posted by: Cheyenne Mountain at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (mcm0N)
lefty Catholics are not only not taking the fight to Islam, they hate Crusaders
overheard this morning: "another bombing" (helpless shrug and wan smile) "yeah" (looks down at fruit salad)
useless
Posted by: Feh at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (IIlHS)
No more entry of ANY sort by muslims to start with.
Too bad if they squeak about it.
VET the mosques--of all sizes and close each one that even shows a hint of terrorist collaboration or support.
Too bad if they squeak about it.
Profile each and every muslim encountered.
Too bad if they squeak about it.
Immediately deport any muslim found to be in violation of immigration/visa laws.
Too bad if they squeak about it.
I could go on, but you get the point.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (P/8aq)
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (t06LC)
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Oh great, now we have Kasich trolling us ...
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (cbfNE)
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Apparently we need to put Ace in charge of this because his patience goes only so far.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (CamLS)
Posted by: Picric at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (DCe6Z)
Yoink!
I'll just be using that without attribution.
Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (mf5HN)
♪ I'd like to buy the blog a coke......♪
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (uf5be)
iirc, Belgians are among the least religious of all EUniks
But the plan could have been for somewhere else and only happened in Brussels because of the arrest on Friday
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (k9lXi)
And thanks for the AOSHQ, and thanks Maet for pitching in to apply water cannon and taser as needed.
How hard is it, really to just not be a d**k around here? (no, morons, this was NOT a statement involving "hard d**ks", sheesh)
Posted by: rhomboid at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (fizMZ)
Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery
This is where the term "outlaw" comes from. You break the law, you're no longer protected by it.
At least that's what I read once, on the internet.
Let's bring back letters of marque and reprisal. Start putting some bounties on domestic terrorists heads (and on those found to be associating with them) and see how our un- and under-employed millenials and their entrepreneurial spirit treat the opportunity to make a couple grand in a day.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: Bandersnatch who will now call himself Savagery at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (1xUj/) "
Reminds me of doing Model UN back in HS and college, everyone trying to write a resolution explicitly defining terrorism to the hundredth decimal point, crossing every t and dotting every i. But out of session, when we went for dinner, everyone chuckled a bit - we all know what terrorism is when we see it. All the procedural nonsense is just kabuki.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (4/i9Y)
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Apparently we need to put Ace in charge of this because his patience goes only so far.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 22, 2016 03:54 PM (CamLS)
But then he might pull a Trump and walk it back!
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (TJCSB)
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:56 PM (cbfNE)
However this is Belgium, the land of Marc Dutroux...
Posted by: RoyLC at March 22, 2016 03:56 PM (wdHQo)
He'll screw it up and drone himself.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:56 PM (fiGNd)
Time to go full metal "Garak," on these guys.
https://youtu.be/StF9jrhw-pU
Posted by: 13times at March 22, 2016 03:52 PM (WHVu+)
Best Trek episode ever
Posted by: To Boldly Go Where No Hat Has Gone Before at March 22, 2016 03:56 PM (vBeA5)
Example: Today. While Utah votes in a critical primary for Cruz, four Mormon missionaries are wounded in Brussels.
If I postulated such a scenario last week, you all coulda/shoulda had me committed.
Posted by: mega machines at March 22, 2016 03:56 PM (fbovC)
I missed some of the earlier threads so I guess it got really ugly...
There was a horse, and a guy on fire ...
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (evdj2)
Dammit, I always miss the good stuff!
Posted by: Insomniac at March 22, 2016 03:56 PM (0mRoj)
I am mostly taking this week off, but by force of habit, I suppose, I clicked in this this thread. I agree with GrammieAce. I hope you will consider the ban ion Backwards Boy. He has been here a long time-longer than I have been- and he is a very pleasant, kind, funny and interesting poster. He provided the video of laughing babies which I had in the last "Happiness Thread". I wasn't here for the thread that turned nasty, but we all have our good and bad days. It is hard when people you've been speaking to for some time suddenly disappear and you have no way to contact them IRL. I leave threads when they get too combative too, but it's hard day with the horible bombings and everybody's nerves are on on edge.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2016 03:56 PM (w4NZ8)
No.
Look up the very good John Derbyshire article on it from 2001 if you want to have someone who's a better writer than I am explain the reasoning.
And in which universe will a society that's still all-in on "Islam is Peace" and not restricting "refugee" flows from Syria suddenly going to be A-OK with torture and the semi-inevitable torturing of an innocent party?
Posted by: SparcVark at March 22, 2016 03:57 PM (nKOXj)
I also realize just how much work it is to monitor the comments (especially when you have hash hopping assholes making the job nearly impossible) to which my suggestion is this:
Ask Pixy to add an email verification feature before you can make your first comment. I would be happy to contribute some time to get this feature rolling, aside from the programming, natch.
This site already heavily relies on volunteer efforts; use us (me).
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 22, 2016 03:57 PM (gyKtp)
http://userscripts-mirror.org/scripts/show/36395
Did you repoint it to acecomments.mu.nu?
optionsl, user settings, included pages.
Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2016 03:57 PM (DL2i+)
*cues up TV Announcer voice*
We've replaced some of ace's commenters with loudmouthed douchebags. Let's see if the Ewok notices.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 22, 2016 03:57 PM (/wVDI)
They harshed his whole trip. This will knock his visit out of the top news spots for days.
Also, kinda makes it harder to give away Gitmo (at least during this trip).
Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2016 03:57 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:58 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (fizMZ)
Torture, however you define it, is just one tool and interogator can use. But tot get accurate information you have to kinda know who you are interrogating, what specific information you are seeking, a road map of where you might be headed. If you go into any interrogation blind, your generally not going to get anywhere no matter what method you use. Random information your captive may give that he or she thinks is useless might be crucial to you in connecting the dots.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 03:58 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 22, 2016 03:53 PM (TJCSB)
I agree!
I suggest this:
https://youtu.be/VDss8V2OME4
Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at March 22, 2016 03:58 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (vb33c)
Just like that stain who rushed the stage at the Trump rally should not have been given a sit-down interview on CNN, the assholes here in the comments should be memory-holed, not commemorated.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:58 PM (xuouz)
Sometimes I just can't help but be who I am.
Posted by: Andy Dick at March 22, 2016 03:58 PM (4WhSY)
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It was starting to ugly up when I had to go life. I guess it went full Lena Dunham.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 22, 2016 03:58 PM (CamLS)
Posted by: SparcVark at March 22, 2016 03:59 PM (nKOXj)
Better tip, quit interacting with people you don't like, take their clicks, and let that sweet, sweet cash roll in.
Because you shut down the comments, you lose your clicks. Lose your clicks, you lose your advertisers.
Like the pro-Trumpers or not ... you need 'em. You need their traffic.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 03:59 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:58 PM (xuouz)
well they should not have chained him to the back of trump's jet right before take off but that would have been funny.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 04:00 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:58 PM (xuouz)
Don't dance on the grave and:
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 04:00 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 03:58 PM (cbfNE)
Fuck that. Let's trick the SJW hordes into thinking that Trump and his trusted lieutenant, Kim Davis, have defected to ISIS and are being structurally racist toward people of color in the middle east.
Go get em guys! No justice no peace! We got you all a set of beats(tm) headphones, they're on your seat on the plane! Good luck.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 04:01 PM (xuouz)
http://tinyurl.com/pw7wn6c
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 22, 2016 04:01 PM (TJCSB)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 04:01 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 03:41 PM"
Classic.
Posted by: holygoat at March 22, 2016 04:01 PM (ZgI/r)
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 22, 2016 04:01 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 04:01 PM (2d71x)
There is a point where newcomers are polluting the commenting community. Kind of like immigration.
But here in the Internets, newbies are a necessary part of the website lifecycle.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 04:02 PM (uURQL)
Who bombed AOSHQ?(i.e. the comment section...figuratively speaking of course).
For the record, I now feel equally strong about any non-Hillary, non-Bernie candidate.
And may be there can be a hashtag to relieve some of us from any plausible link to anything we cannot deny on our own.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at March 22, 2016 04:02 PM (QYD6A)
At least that's what I read once, on the internet.
Let's bring back letters of marque and reprisal. Start putting some bounties on domestic terrorists heads (and on those found to be associating with them) and see how our un- and under-employed millenials and their entrepreneurial spirit treat the opportunity to make a couple grand in a day.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (xuouz)
I did my dissertation on terrorists being hostis humanis generis (enemies of all mankind) and therefore outside of the protections of normal law in law school. Got an "a" too. I thought it worked.
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 22, 2016 04:02 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 22, 2016 03:58 PM (CamLS)
Shit, now that's beyond ugly.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 22, 2016 04:02 PM (0mRoj)
Also, kinda makes it harder to give away Gitmo (at least during this trip).
Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2016 03:57 PM (NOIQH)
From your keyboard to God's ear.
I have been afraid of that scenario since Obama ended sanctions with Cuba, and announced an official trip there. Maybe he wants to go one step further than Carter?
Posted by: Moki at March 22, 2016 04:02 PM (7q2ch)
I can't say I have any experience with torture, but always thought it mostly would lead to false confession.
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (fizMZ)
.......................
I'll say just about anything to get someone to turn off an Obama speech.
Posted by: wth at March 22, 2016 04:02 PM (HgMAr)
(Tasers Dr. Spank and giggles like a schoolboy)
Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 22, 2016 04:03 PM (uhftQ)
That won't work. The secret to dealing with SJWs is that they don't do the dirty work. It's all screeching and an attempt to get the target to commit seppuku in shame.
You'll note that that doesn't work against an opponent who will simple behead you in the name of Allah.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 04:03 PM (uURQL)
I admit it ... I'm a whore. Sure - I'm Trump-curious, although sticking with Cruz for now.
But if I ran Scogg of Spades ... I'd be baiting the Hot Air crowd, both the Trump and Cruz crowds, and anybody else I could get a click from.
I'd make Vox look like a paradigm of integrity.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 04:04 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 22, 2016 04:01 PM (dFi94)
That is the sweetest greeting I have seen in a long while.
Thank you for making me smile on such a hard day, grammie!!
Posted by: Moki at March 22, 2016 04:04 PM (7q2ch)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 04:01 PM (2d71x)
no the slippery slope argument is very definite - do not do that because it is going to be a huge problem. how is that an out?
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 04:04 PM (vb33c)
Heh, you should look up Danger and Play by Mike Cernovich. I think he's been riding that strat on Twitter by punching up.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 04:05 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: wth at March 22, 2016 04:05 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Lutherans at March 22, 2016 03:46 PM (s5o+q)
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And besides, how would you have time for a Crusade when you're so busy sponsoring thousands of Somali immigrants?!?
Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at March 22, 2016 04:05 PM (T/5A0)
optionsl, user settings, included pages.
Posted by: DaveA at March 22, 2016 03:57 PM (DL2i+)
Yes but I need to do a fresh reinstall, which is not hard. I tampered with it too much and forgot what I changed.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 22, 2016 04:05 PM (bLnSU)
*****
Might be a little... Tricky... for me.
Posted by: Richard Nixon at March 22, 2016 04:05 PM (XItbt)
Posted by: Draki at March 22, 2016 04:05 PM (0eidE)
Edwards, the lawyer for Roberts and about 10 other Jane Does, said that after he served Trump with the subpoena in 2009, Trump immediately contacted him.
"During the conversation, Mr. Trump was open and forthright," Edwards said. "I cannot discuss the substance of the conversation. But I will say that it was obvious to me that he was in no way involved in any untoward activity."
It appears that Trump cut ties to Epstein a few weeks after the non-prosecution agreement was reached. On October 15, 2007, the New York Post reported that Mar-A-Lago had barred Epstein because he hit on a masseuse at the club. Epstein denied to the the Post that he had been banned. One of the Jane Doe attorneys told VICE News a slightly different account, saying that he had been told Trump broke ties with Epstein after Epstein tried to pick up the underage daughter of a Mar-A-Lago club member.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 22, 2016 04:05 PM (xuouz)
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{{{ Moki }}}
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 22, 2016 04:05 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (fizMZ)
.......................
so how do you think your torturers are going respond when they find out you lied?
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 04:05 PM (vb33c)
Donald Trump - Golden Hair Weasel of Triumph - or Two Bit Whore Working the Glory Hole Late Shift ?
... Today, on Scogg of Spades.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 04:06 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 22, 2016 04:06 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (fizMZ)
You do not ask for a confession, you ask for verifiable information. Start easy, a little conditioning, what's your current address, PO Box...
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 22, 2016 04:06 PM (T78UI)
no the slippery slope argument is very definite - do not do that because it is going to be a huge problem. how is that an out?
Because you're sort of saying its a good idea but...
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at March 22, 2016 04:07 PM (lKyWE)
http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/150158/
Posted by: Epobirs at March 22, 2016 04:08 PM (IdCqF)
So many of us have that same fear, Moki! I fully expected him to announce it during his visit. It would be his way, always with a special FU to America.
Although, his comments today about America, like Cuba, being founded by slaves and slave owner, were particularly (and intentionally) galling. I have relatives who were here back in the late 17th century (colonial MA), and they sure as h*ll never owned slaves.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 22, 2016 04:08 PM (NOIQH)
a decent objection.
however, I also have a problem with the slippery slope argument.
here's the thing: People walk on slippery slopes all the time, and usually do not fall down them. They just *walk carefully* when on the slippery slope.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 04:08 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2016 03:55 PM (fizMZ)
.......................
so how do you think your torturers are going respond when they find out you lied?
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 04:05 PM (vb33c)
Torture is worthless for getting a true confession.
But it can be used to plumb the depths of someone's knowledge. "You said that you have a stash of weapons in this apartment... but we didn't find anything. You've lied to me. Tell me the truth, or ..."
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 04:08 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 04:08 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 22, 2016 04:09 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 22, 2016 04:10 PM (t2KH5)
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 04:08 PM (cbfNE)
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He died? I didn't know.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 22, 2016 04:10 PM (dFi94)
One can only hope so.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 22, 2016 04:10 PM (evdj2)
Because in theory you agree with the 'torture' to get the information on a ticking time bomb scenario but disagree with actually doing it because of the danger of the 'slippery slope'.
You are using conjecture to prevent yourself from implementing a difficult decision that you say is okay but for...,
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 04:10 PM (2d71x)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 22, 2016 04:11 PM (R+30W)
Posted by: Chris M at March 22, 2016 04:11 PM (k3w9p)
...I don't trust anyone else to decide who gets tortured.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 22, 2016 04:11 PM (evdj2)
The older conception, still held by much of the world, is that of tribal justice, "you kill one of ours, we kill members of your tribe until bloodlust is sated". Depending on the bloodthirstiness of the tribe, it may even cause mass bloodletting because of an imputed slight by others. To such societies, if you are not a member of the tribe, then one's value is negligible if your existence does not serve some function to their tribe. Believers in the universalist doctrines of the Declaration of Independence, they are not. Terrorists view the West as a whole to be punished even if some of the collateral damage may be to adherents of their own faith.
This is also the doctrine of total war--it did not matter whether a citizen was a pacifist in Dresden or not. They were tribe German versus tribe Allies and thus all were fair game. To combat the werewolf escapades right before and after the war, towns were collectively punished if attacks on Allied soldiers came from there.
When and if things get bad enough, we may see the West peel off its self imposed restraint and go tribal or perhaps some of those societies with a tribal outlook may decide to let loose a couple of nukes and bring down something that makes WWII look tame as WWII plus a lotta nuclear explosions. Of such things, nightmares are made.
Posted by: whig at March 22, 2016 04:11 PM (mlyQI)
Someone who is respectful doesn't turn to trolling. Someone who is respectful would respect the ban and leave, or attempt reconciliation.
What business do you have demanding respect when you lie?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 04:11 PM (uURQL)
Hell of a plan ... right up until you fall.
You know what - honestly - I have no idea. I'm something of a bullshit philosopher myself - and think about this shit in the abstract WAY more than what's healthy. You know what I've come up with ?
We're all doomed because people suck. No system will work, no correct set of laws will work, because sucky damn people will always pervert a good system of laws and flat our rape you with a bad system of laws. All because most people, at their core, just damn suck.
Hallelujah !!! Holy Shit !!! Pass the Tylenol !!!
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 04:12 PM (fiGNd)
Someone *will* get it wrong, and we will fight it out, that *will* happen.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 22, 2016 04:12 PM (bLnSU)
Well yeah, but that's because (a) they know it's there, (b) they acknowledge they exist, and (c) they don't want to go down the slope. The heedless, mindless, and ruthless wind up slipping merrily on down.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 22, 2016 04:12 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: creeper at March 22, 2016 04:09 PM (4boI/)
...
funny, and I've realized that I can live without many people like yourself.
So win-win for both of us, huh?
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 04:12 PM (dciA+)
Meet like with like. It's worked fine in all self defense situations for centuries.
No, you don't get to waterboard me for a parking ticket, errant blog post, or refusing to tell you about that time in college where... nevermind.
Now, if you catch me with a warehouse full of explosives, crates of vests, and walls covered with Kill the Great Satan and Get Virgin Sheep... different story.
Coughing up some water as a consequence of being directly involved with genocide seems pretty tame and forgiving to me.
Posted by: Damiano at March 22, 2016 04:13 PM (XItbt)
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 22, 2016 04:13 PM (4/i9Y)
here's the thing: People walk on slippery slopes all the time, and usually do not fall down them. They just *walk carefully* when on the slippery slope.
Posted by: ace at March 22, 2016 04:08 PM (dciA+)
well yeah, however, people slip and fall down slipper slopes all the time, no one ever slips on a slippery slope and goes back up the hill. slippery slopes are all down hill.
we have all sorts of problems with the varaious surveillance programs that were loosed with the patriot and other acts after 911, not likely we are ever going to get half of thes genies back in the bottle.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 04:13 PM (vb33c)
I bought that Get Virgin Sheep poster in the back of the Something to Do store in the Jefferson Mall back in '84.
I'm not proud of it - but talking about it helps.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 04:14 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: creeper at March 22, 2016 04:09 PM (4boI/) "
Not us true addicts. Take away an alcoholic's booze for four hours, you think he's cured?
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 22, 2016 04:14 PM (4/i9Y)
Posted by: @votermom at March 22, 2016 04:15 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 22, 2016 04:15 PM (evdj2)
To hell with all of you.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 04:15 PM (fiGNd)
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 22, 2016 04:01 PM (dFi94)
How very, very kind; I have told folks in the various churches I have served that they may appreciate Resurrection Day even more deeply when they go through all the services that precede it, rather than just Palm Sunday and Easter Sunday, so I like the spiritual depth of this week. I feel the presence of the Lord in the services whether I do them alone or with others, and such great hymns too!. I will stop in to say "Good morning" on that great and Holy Sunday. I know you'll be keeping your eyes on Jesus. :^)
Grace and peace to you, dear sister (I would like people reading this to note that I got the word "dear" properly this time. Yay me!;^)
Prayers for the victims of in Belgium and their families.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2016 04:16 PM (w4NZ8)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 22, 2016 04:16 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Tilikum KAW SPI at March 22, 2016 04:17 PM (+aCe4)
Yada, yada, yada.
I've been living with the Get Virgin Sheep thing for over thirty years. What have you got for me ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 04:18 PM (fiGNd)
To hell with all of you.
Posted by: ScoggDog at March 22, 2016 04:15 PM (fiGNd)
Psssst. Nood.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 22, 2016 04:19 PM (uURQL)
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Aside from their religion, and the level of carnage, the jihadis probably aren't all that different from the Gadiantons in the Book of Mormon...
Posted by: junior at March 22, 2016 04:19 PM (mUM5y)
You are using conjecture to prevent yourself from implementing a difficult decision that you say is okay but for...,
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 04:10 PM (2d71x)
520 nood
well, here is the thing, it is one thing to have a ticking bomb situation in a situation where torture is illegal and you say fuck it, I am not going to let some jihadi nuke take out houston and you go ahead and illegally torture the guy fully aware of and willing to take the consequences.
It is quite another to say well we think this guy has information to stop a nuke in houston so we are going to invoke the torture provisions. if you have legal torture it is eventually going to leak into everything.
look at what is happening with all the surveillance programs that were started to fight terrorism.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 04:20 PM (vb33c)
Ace just criticized Trump for moderating the suspend-Muslim-immigration stance that Ace criticized before as badly in need of moderating, but now Trump is supposedly guilty of inconsistency and no principles. Also, Trump thought it was fine that Epstein liked women "on the younger side" years before anyone knew that Epsrein was kidnapping and raping under-age girls. Trump is Trump, and so approving of male-female age differential relationships now must be seen as approval for pedophilia.
Love you Ace, but you have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Trump could well turn out to be as good as Cruz on several of the most important issues: naming and fighting the Islamic threat, stopping illegal immigration and getting security-minded about who we let in legally, saving Christians in the Islamic world from the Christian genocide that is now roaring on full burn, restoring military strength and securing national gun rights.
Of course Trump lacks Cruz's principled understanding, but he is at least on the right side of a bunch of key issues that 95% of politicians are wrong about. For a fallback candidate that's pretty darned good. So I,'m sorry but I just don't get the hate. In fact it really does seem to be a kind of insanity.
There are REAL threats out there on the electoral horizon--Hillary and Sanders--compared to whom Trump is cavalry to the rescue, yet some are pealing, "nooooo, I'd rather be scalped!" Come back in from the burning cold Ace. We are your friends.
Posted by: Alec Rawls at March 22, 2016 04:21 PM (rXj3s)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 04:22 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 22, 2016 04:22 PM (T78UI)
For BabyMetal fans, here's their new single:
"Karate"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvD3CHA48pA
Posted by: naturalfake at March 22, 2016 04:23 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 22, 2016 04:22 PM (T78UI)
so do you know anyone who would calmly walk over and break someone's finger on an order?
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 04:25 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: zaugg at March 22, 2016 04:35 PM (OSBHe)
forcible felony, why is it illegal to use just enough pressure to break a
finger to prevent a forcible felony?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 22, 2016 04:22 PM (T78UI)
so do you know anyone who would calmly walk over and break someone's finger on an order?
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 22, 2016 04:25 PM (vb33c)
We have plenty that would have no problem giving somebody an electrical jolt to encourage compliance.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 22, 2016 04:36 PM (T78UI)
An idea I mused on was to create fake ancient writings of Islam that rewrite the Koran into something more like the New Testament - love thy neighbor and such - but it's probably too impractical.
In the end, this will not end well for followers of Islam - an overreaction is bound to happen one way or another. I myself am in the "get it over with" camp - do something big (genocide big) before the Islamists figure out how to engineer a virus that wipes us all out.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 22, 2016 04:36 PM (m40v5)
That's not the question to be asked. If I knew that the man in the chair in front of me had intelligence that would prevent mass murder I would cheerfully break his fingers.
The question is what you posed up above.....would you do it if you thought maybe he had intelligence?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2016 04:37 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 04:37 PM (2d71x)
548 I don't read comments on this blog and haven't left one here in many years. Some of us read this blog for Ace and not the "funny but insightful" commentators who are full of themselves.
Posted by: zaugg at March 22, 2016 04:35 PM (OSBHe)
So you do read the comments? Or you don't ? I'm confused.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 22, 2016 04:39 PM (2d71x)
Posted by: Anthony Riley at March 22, 2016 04:39 PM (SEnIW)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 22, 2016 04:40 PM (evdj2)
Look, if you people would just stop being so stupid and, despite you genetic inability to be much more than monkeys, would get behind Kodos, we would all be better off. Much better than the Kang guy.
But no, keep persevering in your ignorant obstinacy. Fools.
Posted by: The Seemingly Everlasting Winter of Discontent at March 22, 2016 04:47 PM (J3UIw)
Posted by: Darren at March 22, 2016 04:48 PM (oE+6d)
For a 'Botany Bay' solution, Ilha da Queimada Grande off the coast of Brazil would be perfect. You might not think 110 acres would be enough, but it would. Just Google it.
Posted by: Dr Weevil at March 22, 2016 04:59 PM (yVvJa)
I think it is totally stupid to treat these barbarians as if they are human and ruled by laws or treaties or NATO agreements. Hell, most of them probably cannot read. HATE is in their pores, in their oxygen.
Stop the barbarians who are in our midst. Whatever works, I am all for it.
Read in comments (somewhere) today that Belgium was on a "Red Alert" and this still happened. Also, have seen one photo of the bombing taken from a distance. HUGE explosions, and some say military grade. Only saw the photo one time and wish I had copied. I guess their suitcases were full...and this may bring some type of added screening. I remember the LA airport attack,and some said that things should be copied by Israel as an added barrier. Also, from same person who lives in Belgium: immediately following the airport bombing, the subways and mass transit should have been evacuated. This 90 minute delay happened also in Paris (I think).
Prayers for those who lost loved ones today and for the injured. Also prayers that these bastards are defeated. But guess it will get worse before that happens. Think of it: the most powerful country on earth cannot defeat these goat herders due to political correctness and ROE, as well as a grinning fool watching cooban baseball. God help us as we have no leaders in DC or Europe. xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 22, 2016 05:07 PM (wAMRL)
Saw on the TV show Narcos that Pablo Escobar kidnapped the children of the prominent in Colombia.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 22, 2016 05:28 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 22, 2016 05:32 PM (kBIIG)
Some would say that it was only through the use of tirture in the Middle Ages that Satanic Witchcraft was defeated
Only through torture were other witches able to be identified, including those called "sleeper witches"
God bless all those who did Gid's work for us so many years ago
Posted by: Bubba at March 22, 2016 05:35 PM (leLEi)
As for ISIS - I'm happy as hell to hear from A N Y O N E that has LIVED in the Arab world (I have even if it was 50 years ago in Tripoli Libya from '64 - '6
I mean LIVE there - not a 2 or 3 month visit.
Those folks want ONE of TWO things:
1. ALL of the west to assimilate and become Muslim
OR
2. ALL of us to be DEAD
There AINT no "middle ground" and there AINT no "let's all sing KOOM buy fkn YA"
The sooner most or ALL of America realizes these simple FACTS - the sooner we MIGHT survive by DEFEATING these scumbuckets!
Posted by: Katfish at March 22, 2016 05:42 PM (ponaz)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 22, 2016 05:43 PM (8EVdm)
Posted by: Katfish at March 22, 2016 05:43 PM (ponaz)
Except here and Ace made me laugh and laugh. I laughed wiser person laughs and bitter laughs and wry laughs and belly laughs and "that guy with those movie reviews" laughs and I especially enjoyed the comments.
I'm sorry for creeper because this is a place where life is and where there is respite from never laughing.
Posted by: Some gratitude at March 22, 2016 05:49 PM (3fTXW)
However, as Gen. Hayden noted, the professionals who got us bin Laden are unlikely to do it again. They relied on the president and attorney general but were nearly prosecuted by the next traitor president and criminal attorney general. Any future acts to defend you and me would have to come with a pre-emptive pardon.
The problem with Trump's threat is not just that it threatens women and children, but that he called that "leadership" over the military. I command war crimes, you obey.
Real leadership involves moral suasion, a servant heart, leading by example, etc.--not just Fifty Shades of Trump.
Posted by: The Gipper at March 22, 2016 06:06 PM (l0bW1)
Am I still alive?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 22, 2016 03:08 PM (kTF2Z)i
For now. But thanks to you my wife thinks I should be home this Christmas instead of fooling around.
Zip it up and keep it 100 miles from the Flagpole.
Posted by: Mac, Wojinksi, and the Colonel at March 22, 2016 06:12 PM (mZS3c)
Posted by: RI Red at March 22, 2016 06:51 PM (hA6v0)
Undoubtedly there are experts in this sort of thing, and I am not one. But they do say it is uncommonly aversive to have marrow taken from one's bones.
Posted by: a6z at March 22, 2016 07:12 PM (RMMQt)
They're really going to get irritable when they discover that Trump is really a lefty who plans to use the whole fist on them.
Posted by: Me, That's Who at March 23, 2016 12:41 AM (kJQl6)
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