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Chess On A Sunday Afternoon 03-13-2016 [OregonMuse]

After I posted my last chess thead, I received such an avalanche of no email that I knew, I just *knew*, that all of you AoSHQ morons were dying for more chess.

So who am I to stand in the way of such overwhelming demand? Let's have some chess:


Correct The Mistake


what is wrong with this position.JPG


There's clearly a mistake in this diagram. Find out what it is, and then you will discover that White can give mate in 1 move, no matter which way you correct the mistake.

This puzzle is from The Soviet Chess Primer by Ilya Maizelis. It's the introductory text the Soviet Chess Combine used to train its young players. Even though it's called a "primer", don't be fooled. It's not a primer for general audiences, rather, it's an introduction written for serious chess players, and those who aspire to be serious chess players. I don't think it's designed for self-study. I think it's more of a classroom text, used in conjunction with teachers who spend lots of time explaining and going over the concepts. But since I'm in more of a self-study situation, it's a lot more challenging and I'm proceeding at a much slower pace. But I like the Soviet primer very much and recommend it for all low-rated, but serious, chess players.

So your job is two-fold: 1. Find the mistake in the diagram and 2. find all the mates-in-1 that result from when you correct the mistake.

I'm not going to tell you the answer(s), because I'm confident that everyone reading this is capable of figuring it out. The first part, where you have to determine what's wrong with the diagram, well, good luck. If after looking at it for awhile, you don't see the problem, get out your chessboard and pieces and set up the position yourself. This is what I had to do, because I couldn't figure it out, and once I tried to actually set it up, it became obvious what the mistake was. Then I said "oh, duh" and smacked myself on the side of the head.

Sex And Bobby Fischer

The recent Fischer biopic Pawn Sacrifice shows him hooking up with a prostitute at the Piatagorsky Cup Tournament in 1966. That's almost right. The real story is a bit different, particularly the locale:

Fischer's first known encounter with a woman was with a prostitute but it was in Argentina. Grandmaster Larry Evans brought Fischer to a whorehouse. Fischer lost his chess game right after that and had the worst tournament in his life. Fischer never mixed sex and chess again.

The tournament was Buenos Aires 1960, and Fischer pretty much stunk out the joint. Evidently there's quite a red-light district down there and that's where he was spending most of his time. I had heard that there was one particular prostitute he fell in love with.

Heh. It's always a dame, amirite?

Incidentally, I saw Pawn Sacrifice a few days ago, and I was going to do a write-up on it for this thread, but I didn't get to it this time. Shorter review: I liked it, despite the inaccuracies.

I had read somewhere on teh internets that Grandmaster William Lombardy refused to aid in any way with the filming. Lombardy had always impressed me, and the movie portrayed him as, a sane guy. Because of this, it is painful to read his blog entry about the movie, as well as his other blog entries. Regretfully, it appears that the years have not been kind to Father Lombardy. I hope he can one day find peace.


Checkmate On The Half Shell

1.


half_mate5.jpg


2.


half_mate4.jpg


3.


half_mate2.jpg


Here are some fun "thinking outside the box" chess puzzles (stolen from http://www.iplayoochess.com) where you have to find the checkmate, not in 2 moves, or 1 move, but rather ½ move. I was only able to figure out the first one. I have provided the hidden answers below, which you can read by clicking and dragging over the blank area.

#1 White wanted to castle. He already made the first half move (K to g1), and now the remaining half move is to be played (Rf1 mate).

#2 White has moved Pawn a7 to a8, removed it from the board, and now he is finishing his half-move with a8Q#

#3 Black king was attacked by White's queen at g1, which he blocked by advancing a pawn to c5. Then, White played the en passant capture dxc5. The current diagram shows the uncompleted en passant capture with the White pawn on its destination square, but before the captured Black pawn was removed from the board. The half-move removing the black c5-pawn delivers the checkmate.


A Bad Book And A Good One

I wanted to study the King's Gambit a bit, so I picked up The Romantic King's Gambit in Games and Analysis by Anthony Santasiere. 'Chess Digest' (remember Chess Digest?) honcho Ken Smith provided updates to the analysis. I got it on eBay for cheap, figuring any book would be better than none.

Ugh. What a lousy book.

There are two problems with it, 1. organizational and 2. stylistic.

First, the organizational structure. Namely, there isn't any. Book chapters on the opening can be arranged by chronology, or perhaps by player, or by sub-variation. Any of these would be logical, or at least defensible. But Santasiere's book has none whatsoever. There aren't any chapters. The book is just one big chapter. There are 138 games included in the collection, and they're just thrown together haphazardly, without any rhyme or reason that I can determine. Santasiere should have subtitled this book "A Random Collection Of King's Gambit Games Thrown Together At The Last Minute To Meet A Publishing Deadline", because that's what it looks like.

Second, I found Santasiere's style of writing extremely irritating. Too many times he'd go on and on about something that had nothing to do with the game, or even maybe nothing to do with chess at all, and it sounded like he was just showing off. He sounds like someone who's just full of himself, and I probably would have found him very annoying in real life (he passed away some years ago).

Lastly, as a low-rated n00b, I can't comment on the quality of the analysis, which is arguably the most important party of any "technical" chess book. But I can say this: Santasiere's notes have been revised and updated by Ken Smith, and it's surprising how many are on the order of "...after Qg3, Black is better" or "Current Analysis favors Black." So remind me again why you think I should be playing the King's Gambit? All that tells me is that if I'm playing *against* a King's Gambit, I can snatch the pawn with every confidence that I'll beat his ass.

I suppose the purpose of pointing out the lines where Black has gained the upper hand is for you to avoid playing into them as White. But the problem is that since the book is about as organized as Hillary Clinton's liquor cabinet, how is the reader supposed to keep track of where the dangerous lines are?

But Santiasiere has done better. I have his Vienna Game and Gambit book which he also co-wrote with Ken Smith, and it is very well laid-out and organized by sub-variation, so you can work your way thorugh it systematically. And the analysis is complete without being overwhelming. It's everything a chess opening book should be, as the King's Gambit book is not.

I'm still looking for a decent book on the King's Gambit (accepted), though, if any of you chess-playing morons know of one.

_________________

There's no need to confine your comments to chess. It would be nice, but I know I'd get maybe at most a dozen comments. So I hereby declare this thread to be Open. Festivalllll!!

Posted by: Open Blogger at 06:00 PM




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1 Chess is a game I use to play a lot but haven't in many years

Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 05:01 PM (fizMZ)

2 Chess is a game that I use to play a lot but not in a long while

Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 05:02 PM (fizMZ)

3 Something weird is going on, I'm typing but I think it's showing up white lettering on grey blocks

Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 05:03 PM (fizMZ)

4 These comments are dripping with white privilege!

#BlackTextMatters

Posted by: BLM at March 13, 2016 05:03 PM (H9MG5)

5 It's a nice day
For some white printing

Posted by: Billy Idol at March 13, 2016 05:04 PM (ajCID)

6 9 Pawns

Q-B2

Posted by: Mike435 at March 13, 2016 05:04 PM (pGaDz)

7

YOUR CHESS POST DOES NOT LOAD CORRECTLY, AND LACKS RANCID SQUID...

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE MENTAL RETARD at March 13, 2016 05:05 PM (SEFXb)

8 9 black pawns?

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at March 13, 2016 05:06 PM (1ijHg)

9 Or Q-A1

Posted by: Mike435 at March 13, 2016 05:06 PM (pGaDz)

10 This seems... transparent.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 13, 2016 05:06 PM (OLNwX)

11 What the hell?

Posted by: Weasel at March 13, 2016 05:07 PM (e3bId)

12 So we all get to move first?

Posted by: Ghost of kari at March 13, 2016 05:07 PM (ubByS)

13 I think I have spotted the mistake.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 13, 2016 05:07 PM (OLNwX)

14 THERE ARE ... NINE ... PAWNS!!

Posted by: Captain J.L. Picard at March 13, 2016 05:07 PM (ajCID)

15 There's clearly a mistake in this diagram.

An extra black pawn.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 05:07 PM (zc3Db)

16 FIX IT! ITS WHITED OUT!

Also, how did that pawn get to d2?

I don't think that's the mistake, per se, but it looks odd.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 13, 2016 05:07 PM (AkOaV)

17 Black has to many pawns

Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 05:08 PM (fizMZ)

18 Aren't we all pawns?

Posted by: Weasel at March 13, 2016 05:08 PM (e3bId)

19 The white always seeks to use the black as his pawn, that is why he needs an extra one to 'capture'.

Posted by: Cornel West at March 13, 2016 05:09 PM (XVjZ8)

20 The black pawn on f2 should be white.

Posted by: Ironwood at March 13, 2016 05:09 PM (WLOZI)

21 The checkerboard has funny pieces on it.

Posted by: Weasel at March 13, 2016 05:09 PM (e3bId)

22 Too many pawns?

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 05:10 PM (BO/km)

23 I don't see any forces in Greenland or Kamchatka.

Posted by: Josephistan at March 13, 2016 05:10 PM (7qAYi)

24 That Queen's in a position to do some real damage. The rook?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 13, 2016 05:10 PM (bceFx)

25 Is the black king Obama?

Posted by: Tyler Mason at March 13, 2016 05:11 PM (t/2s7)

26 Mongo just pawn in game of life

Posted by: Mongo at March 13, 2016 05:11 PM (7qAYi)

27 There is an extra Black pawn. The "extra" pawn is either at G6 or F2. If you remove the G6 pawn, then White can mate by moving the Rook at G8 to G4, placing the Black King in check and mate, since the escape routes for the Black King are covered by the White Queen, the D2 White pawn, and the White King. If you instead remove the F2 pawn, White can mate by having the White Bishop at G1 capture the Black pawn at E3, playing the Black King in check and mate, since the Black King cannot capture the White Bishop, covered by the White pawn at D2, and the escape routes are covered by the White Bishop at G2 and the aforementioned D2 White pawn, White Queen, and White King. D.GOOCH

Posted by: GOOCH at March 13, 2016 05:11 PM (cxLzw)

28 But I don't see any white mate in 1. The black pawn at C4 can always move up to block, if only temporarily.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 05:11 PM (zc3Db)

29 White needs to wipe out pawns. I always take those little pests out if I can.

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 05:11 PM (BO/km)

30
I'm not going to tell you the answer(s), because I'm confident that everyone reading this is capable of figuring it out.





/that feeling you get when you realize you have grossly overestimated your audience

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 13, 2016 05:11 PM (gkSMQ)

31 Too many pawns, too little time. W Bishop to E-3, or W queen to B-2 and mate.

Posted by: Billy the Mountain at March 13, 2016 05:12 PM (xJ9Z3)

32 I'd rather speak of go, which I guess is close enough to the subject - a computer program just beat a top pro best three out of five games. I wasn't expecting that to happen so soon, and it won convincingly and with some real originality. The 37th move in the second game in particular was something that shocked everyone.

Posted by: Locarno at March 13, 2016 05:12 PM (kyQTB)

33 I spotted the error. Depending on the fix, I still only get one mate in one.

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 05:12 PM (2hcmo)

34 Oh, oops, was looking at the board upside down. too many black pawns is right.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 13, 2016 05:12 PM (AkOaV)

35 Posted by: GOOCH at March 13, 2016 05:11 PM (cxLzw)

Remove the F7 pawn and then show me mate in 1.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 05:13 PM (zc3Db)

36 I think gooch nailed it. He gets a t-shirt.

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 05:13 PM (BO/km)

37 Q-B2


Yes, except when I was in jr. high that was called "queen to queen's knight 2".

I don't remember giving anyone permission to change the nomenclature.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 13, 2016 05:13 PM (1xUj/)

38 Long ago I got a book on chess and studied it. One needs the basic start moves and then constant play which I did on a computer. I was getting better as I had to keep bumping up the levels. But alas I stopped.

Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 05:13 PM (fizMZ)

39 Qb2+...c3
Qc3#

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 05:14 PM (2hcmo)

40 Remove the F7 pawn and then show me mate in 1.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 05:13 PM (zc3Db)


Oops. Knight to E6.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 05:14 PM (zc3Db)

41 36 I think gooch nailed it. He gets a t-shirt.
Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 05:13 PM (BO/km)

WELL, but he also fucked up the link in his nic, so I think the t-shirt goes back in to the kitty.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 13, 2016 05:15 PM (AkOaV)

42 Queen advances slowly as pawns pay the price.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 13, 2016 05:16 PM (bceFx)

43 The F7 pawn can't be the "mistake" pawn, since it is at its original starting position. It must be either the F2 pawn or the G6 pawn - that's the only way to correct the board. D.GOOCH

Posted by: GOOCH at March 13, 2016 05:16 PM (cxLzw)

44 Qb2+...c3
Qc3#

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 05:14 PM (2hcmo)


That's mate in 2.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 05:17 PM (zc3Db)

45 >>> Yes, except when I was in jr. high that was called "queen to queen's knight 2".

Your teacher was primitive. Algebraic notation has been around for a while.

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 05:17 PM (2hcmo)

46 Leave it to the White Queen to f**k up the Black King

Posted by: Black Pawns Matter at March 13, 2016 05:18 PM (/2E+M)

47 >>> That's mate in 2.

That was my point.

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 05:18 PM (2hcmo)

48 I have to confess I was in Chess club in HS. Not choir though those guys were weird.

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 05:18 PM (BO/km)

49 Remove the F7 pawn and then show me mate in 1.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 05:13 PM (zc3Db)

Oops. Knight to E6.

------
Ah - nice. I assumed F7 had to stay, but you're right. Even there you can earn mate-in-one.

Posted by: GOOCH at March 13, 2016 05:19 PM (cxLzw)

50 Knights are soooooo pesky... D.GOOCH

Posted by: GOOCH at March 13, 2016 05:20 PM (cxLzw)

51 The F7 pawn can't be the "mistake" pawn, since it is at its original starting position.

That doesn't mean anything. There is an extra pawn. That extra pawn got slapped down at some point. All that is required is that the rest of the pawns are in legal positions after one is removed and F7 can be, thus, removed. Anyway, Knight to E6 is mate in that case so ...

It must be either the F2 pawn or the G6 pawn - that's the only way to correct the board. D.GOOCH

Posted by: GOOCH at March 13, 2016 05:16 PM (cxLzw)


No. Removing the F7 pawn leaves the F2 pawn (and the rest) in legal positions with respect to the rest of the board.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 05:20 PM (zc3Db)

52 You could always knee the table from underneath, flinging the board and pieces into the air, then have the match called a draw due to the unforeseen earthquake. But you have to shout "Earthquake!!", or it's not official.

Posted by: Your Kid Brother at March 13, 2016 05:20 PM (XVjZ8)

53 "That's mate in 2.

That was my point."



Holy crap, what?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 13, 2016 05:21 PM (bceFx)

54 http://www.chessgames.com

I visit just about every AM while reading the ONT.

In a good week I can sort of get the Wednesday puzzle, see stuff in the Thursday puzzle.

In a bad week I am mystified by the Tuesday puzzle.

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 05:21 PM (2hcmo)

55 41 36 I think gooch nailed it. He gets a t-shirt.
Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 05:13 PM (BO/km)

WELL, but he also fucked up the link in his nic, so I think the t-shirt goes back in to the kitty.

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Fixed? I realized I'd left out the http://
D.GOOCH

Posted by: GOOCH at March 13, 2016 05:22 PM (cxLzw)

56 Any pawn can be removed and there is always a mate:

A7: Q - B6
B7: N - C6
C4: Q - B4
D3: Q - E4
E3: B x F2
F2: B x E3
F7: N - E6
G6: R - G4
H3: R - H4


Posted by: Burton Cummings at March 13, 2016 05:23 PM (YlqSL)

57 51
No. Removing the F7 pawn leaves the F2 pawn (and the rest) in legal positions with respect to the rest of the board.

-----
Yup. Acknowledged in Post # 49. D.GOOCH

Posted by: GOOCH at March 13, 2016 05:23 PM (cxLzw)

58
Are you the Gooch?

Posted by: Arnold Jackson at March 13, 2016 05:24 PM (gkSMQ)

59 the first mistake is playing chess.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 13, 2016 05:24 PM (EslWx)

60 Fixed? I realized I'd left out the http://
D.GOOCH


Too late. Cat ate your shirt.

Anyway welcome Prof Gooch.

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 05:25 PM (BO/km)

61 A chess match on the ace of spades felt table. Not to be rude, but I think I will roll the dice and take my chances at the slots!

Posted by: Tyler Mason at March 13, 2016 05:25 PM (t/2s7)

62 Good thread.

Posted by: bopiddy at March 13, 2016 05:26 PM (v8mM1)

63 Great post!...nothing better than chess.

Except sex, booze and Lyle Waggoner!

Is there any way to mate when you only have 2 kings?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 13, 2016 05:26 PM (ej1L0)

64 Posted by: Burton Cummings at March 13, 2016 05:23 PM

You kick much ass, my Canadian friend.

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 05:26 PM (2hcmo)

65 Think I just got my ass kicked.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 13, 2016 05:27 PM (bceFx)

66 Yup. Acknowledged in Post # 49. D.GOOCH

Posted by: GOOCH at March 13, 2016 05:23 PM (cxLzw)


Yeah, I saw. Unfortunately I was still typing as you posted that. Sorry.

Posted by: Burton Cummings at March 13, 2016 05:23 PM (YlqSL)

A+

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 05:28 PM (zc3Db)

67 >>> Is there any way to mate when you only have 2 kings?

According to tradional rules, that is a draw.

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 05:28 PM (2hcmo)

68 Is there any way to mate when you only have 2 kings?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 13, 2016 05:26 PM (ej1L0)


Sure ... a stale mate.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 05:29 PM (zc3Db)

69 Meh ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIQxOsRAXCo

Posted by: Burton Cummings at March 13, 2016 05:31 PM (YlqSL)

70 Nine pawns and a king? This is the Obama Gambit.

Posted by: Fritz at March 13, 2016 05:32 PM (37OkS)

71 70 Nine pawns and a king? This is the Obama Gambit.
Posted by: Fritz at March 13, 2016 05:32 PM (37OkS)

I thought in the Obama Gambit *everyone* is a pawn except the messiah

Posted by: Black Pawns Matter at March 13, 2016 05:34 PM (/2E+M)

72 Fookin' pawns!

Posted by: Vikus van der Merwe at March 13, 2016 05:35 PM (0mRoj)

73 Omg I just turned in the TV and Barbie Benton is on The Love Boat. I always wanted to perform some navel maneuvers with her.

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 05:36 PM (BO/km)

74 Burton wins the Internet's!

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 05:36 PM (SYf3K)

75 Fixed? I realized I'd left out the http://
D.GOOCH
Posted by: GOOCH at March 13, 2016 05:22 PM (cxLzw)

all set, professor.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 13, 2016 05:36 PM (AkOaV)

76 had heard that there was one particular prostitute he fell in love with.

Catch 22
Vincent van Gogh

Common theme, though Van Gogh could probably give you an earful about his experience.

Posted by: mega machines at March 13, 2016 05:38 PM (fbovC)

77 >>>Is there any way to mate when you only have 2 kings?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 13, 2016 05:26 PM (ej1L0)<<<

Of course. Love wins.

Posted by: SCOTUS at March 13, 2016 05:39 PM (H9MG5)

78 Only 2 Kings is a draw due to insufficient material.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 05:39 PM (SYf3K)

79 Sure ... a stale mate.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 05:29 PM (zc3Db)

Thanks POP!...I though out in AOS land there might be a secret Russian Castle/En Passant/knock the board askew Fisher gambit I was unaware of.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 13, 2016 05:39 PM (ej1L0)

80 Fookin' pawns!
Posted by: Vikus van der Merwe


*golf clap*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 13, 2016 05:40 PM (1xUj/)

81 Dang! A chess thread and I'm late to it. Now to read the post.

Posted by: JTB at March 13, 2016 05:42 PM (FvdPb)

82 Mike had it at comment 6

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 13, 2016 05:43 PM (kKHcp)

83 >>> Mike had it at comment 6

There is a one move defense against that.

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 05:45 PM (2hcmo)

84 What, no air power? Meh.

Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at March 13, 2016 05:45 PM (sdPF/)

85 82 Mike had it at comment 6
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 13, 2016 05:43 PM (kKHcp)

it's not one move - black pawn to C3

Posted by: Black Pawns Matter at March 13, 2016 05:46 PM (/2E+M)

86 So what's yall's strategy for chess? I used to play myself. It can be challenging. The hard part is not cheating.

Mostly I look at all of the pieces and try to forsee all of the possibilities as far ahead as feasible. Then I develop a plan or several that can adjust as things change. I don't rely much on memorizing games or moves.

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 05:47 PM (BO/km)

87 The real question is, why hasn't black resigned a while ago.

Posted by: davidt at March 13, 2016 05:47 PM (8aOqE)

88 Lemme' see. The horsie at the top can take the piece that goes up.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at March 13, 2016 05:47 PM (dPpmC)

89 someone probably already got this, and other ways, but:

Queen to B2--game over in a couple more plays (idk if the question was to end the game in 1 move or just better position White).

Black pawn can then block White queen (c4 to c3) since Black King can't move; queen takes pawn (b2 to c3); checkmate (white pawn on d2 protects queen).

Posted by: stan at March 13, 2016 05:47 PM (H17sz)

90 87 The real question is, why hasn't black resigned a while ago.
Posted by: davidt at March 13, 2016 05:47 PM (8aOqE)

Trying to show the world what white privilege is...

Posted by: Black Pawns Matter at March 13, 2016 05:49 PM (/2E+M)

91 86 So what's yall's strategy for chess? I used to play myself.
Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 05:47 PM (BO/km)

... So who won when you played yourself? Or did it usually end in a draw?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 13, 2016 05:50 PM (AkOaV)

92 Is there any way to mate when you only have 2 kings?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 13, 2016 05:26 PM (ej1L0)

Hey, it's 2016. Not only can you mate, you can marry!

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 13, 2016 05:50 PM (kKHcp)

93 So is chess a good game to teach kids with autism? I tend to think they would appreciate the structure and rules but am a
loss to think of a fun way to do it.

Posted by: IC at March 13, 2016 05:50 PM (zK6nG)

94 I always win when I play myself. Don't you?

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 05:51 PM (BO/km)

95 Regarding King's Gambit: I believe Fischer claimed to have refuted it, but if you are playing at club level or local tournaments it's perfectly viable. You just have to outplay your opponent.

Last time I played KGA OTB I got steamrollered.

OTB = over the board

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 05:52 PM (2hcmo)

96 "The horsie at the top can take the piece that goes up."

The horsey can only move in an L-shaped manner from it's position.


So.....farked ne we are.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 13, 2016 05:52 PM (bceFx)

97 There is a one move defense against that.
Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 05:45 PM (2hcmo)

So there is. The extra pawn on F2, if removed allows bishop at G1 to move to E3, then it's over.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 13, 2016 05:53 PM (kKHcp)

98 No more pawns for you!

You go now!!!

Posted by: Fewenuff at March 13, 2016 05:54 PM (T/sbU)

99 >>>Is there any way to mate when you only have 2 kings?<<<

Some things are better left to the overnight threads, thanks.

Posted by: Fritz at March 13, 2016 05:55 PM (37OkS)

100 So we get to choose which pawn to remove?

Posted by: stan at March 13, 2016 05:55 PM (H17sz)

101 >>> 93 So is chess a good game to teach kids with autism? I tend to think they would appreciate the structure and rules but am a
loss to think of a fun way to do it.

After they have learned, they can join the chess club at school. They can look around and wonder to themselves, "Man! I thought I was socially inept..."

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 05:55 PM (2hcmo)

102 Rule 34: all threads are eventually pawn threads.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 13, 2016 05:57 PM (1xUj/)

103 #95 not even Fischer takes that article he wrote on the Kings gambit seriously.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 05:57 PM (SYf3K)

104 So is chess a good game to teach kids with autism? I tend to think they would appreciate the structure and rules but am a loss to think of a fun way to do it

I don't have any experience with autism but I taught both of my boys by just sitting down with them and teaching them. It becomes fun for them when they take their first piece. The interaction while playing goes a long way too. You have to let them win at least one though.

The thing about playing with kids is they are totally unpredictable. They will do something completly unexpected and illogical that can mess up all of your plans.

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 05:58 PM (BO/km)

105 Correct The Mistake

You have little doodles and letters in the boxes of your multiplication table

Posted by: derit at March 13, 2016 05:59 PM (OC+TJ)

106 The people who say there are too many black pawns are racist.

BLACK PAWNS MATTER!!!

Posted by: MathMom at March 13, 2016 05:59 PM (L4G9B)

107 So we get to choose which pawn to remove?
Posted by: stan at March 13, 2016 05:55 PM (H17sz)


I don't think so. The pawn at doesn't belong there firstly because there are nine, and also because the other pawn on that line is in original position. Because there are pawns on either side, there's no indication the usurper is there by taking a piece.
That's my logic, at least.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 13, 2016 05:59 PM (kKHcp)

108 >>> not even Fischer takes that article he wrote on the Kings gambit seriously.

Bluster, was it?

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 05:59 PM (2hcmo)

109 'They will do something completly unexpected and illogical that can mess up all of your plans.'


Tell me about it.

Posted by: freaked's parents at March 13, 2016 06:00 PM (BO/km)

110 Time for dinner. I'll return later to see where I'm wrong.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 13, 2016 06:00 PM (kKHcp)

111 Even if Black had only 8 pawns, the real mistake is White's ineptitude--how do you not have checkmate by now? Black has nothing better than pawns, yet you managed to take out every piece except those, while managing to maneuver your king to the other side of the board.

Posted by: stan at March 13, 2016 06:01 PM (H17sz)

112 Woah, the chess thread is back! Gotta get some class back to this joint in an election year.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 13, 2016 06:03 PM (Wckf4)

113 #108 No, I think he really thought he busted the King's gambit, but later on, he came to his senses.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 06:03 PM (SYf3K)

114 how do you not have checkmate by now?

It's in my nature.

Posted by: chess cat at March 13, 2016 06:04 PM (ajCID)

115 The pawn at doesn't belong there firstly because there are nine, and also because the other pawn on that line is in original position. Because there are pawns on either side, there's no indication the usurper is there by taking a piece.
That's my logic, at least.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 13, 2016 05:59 PM (kKHcp)

Ah thanks (haven't played in over a decade). Still tho, that's a board that had some serious shenanigans leading up to that point.

Posted by: stan at March 13, 2016 06:04 PM (H17sz)

116 Each of those 9 pawns can be removed for 9 total answers to the first part of the problem, which results in 9 different mates in 1

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 06:06 PM (SYf3K)

117 OK. You guys are reminding me why I was only in the HS chess club for one afternoon, and went back to smoking weed.

Posted by: Weasel at March 13, 2016 06:07 PM (e3bId)

118 Chess Pie

1/2 cup butter
2 cups white sugar
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
4 eggs

1 tablespoon cornmeal
1/4 cup evaporated milk
1 tablespoon distilled white vinegar
1 (9 inch) unbaked pie shell

Preheat the oven to 425 degrees F (220 degrees C). In a large bowl, mix the butter, sugar and vanilla together. Mix in the eggs, then stir in the cornmeal, evaporated milk and vinegar until smooth. Bake for 10 minutes in the preheated oven, then reduce heat to 300 degrees F (150 degrees C) for 40 minutes.

Eat.

Die happy.


Posted by: Mortimer at March 13, 2016 06:07 PM (3V0VB)

119 How do we start a thread for underachievers and slackers?

Posted by: Weasel at March 13, 2016 06:09 PM (e3bId)

120 OM, Thanks for the chess thread. Turns out our local library is starting an informal chess club, ages 5 and up. I suspect it is just for kids but will check it out.

I try to solve chess problems but fear my strategic philosophy of 'when in doubt, use a bigger hammer' may lack subtlety. Unfortunately, the alternative is to pull a gun and threaten my opponents until they resign. Maybe I'll just study some more.

Posted by: JTB at March 13, 2016 06:09 PM (FvdPb)

121 Oops. Knight to E6.

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also knight to C6

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 13, 2016 06:10 PM (o7Ufw)

122 Is this the Chess Records thread?

Posted by: Muddy Waters at March 13, 2016 06:10 PM (1xUj/)

123 >>> No, I think he really thought he busted the King's gambit, but later on, he came to his senses.

I wonder if he still thinks he can spot God a pawn and draw.

Thanks for bringing back the chess thread.

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 06:10 PM (2hcmo)

124 119 How do we start a thread for underachievers and slackers?
Posted by: Weasel at March 13, 2016 06:09 PM (e3bId)

white widow vs. northern lights vs ak47 thread.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 13, 2016 06:11 PM (AkOaV)

125 Absolutely despise Fischer. Not fond of Iceland for granting him citizenship either.

As for the King's Gambit, could probably just look at older books. It doesn't see much play at high levels, so there probably haven't been many novelties. Or just play it for fun and use a computer evaluation on your games afterwords.

Posted by: Sjg at March 13, 2016 06:12 PM (gDSJf)

126 123 comments and no mention of they who should not be mentioned.

Impressive. Most impressive.

Posted by: zombie Darth Vader at March 13, 2016 06:13 PM (OF/aZ)

127 I see many possibilities, for me. such as

QB5 + QE5

and now GANGBANG

Posted by: King Louis XVI at March 13, 2016 06:13 PM (o7Ufw)

128 123 comments and no mention of they who should not be mentioned.

Chess is great but Bridge Trumps it.

What?

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 06:14 PM (BO/km)

129 This chess game was a re-enactment of a match between Bernie Sanders' economic advisor and Hillary Clinton's security advisor.

Posted by: stan at March 13, 2016 06:14 PM (H17sz)

130 I was my high school's cribbage champion for two years straight. My grandfather was a bad-ass mf.

Posted by: Fritz at March 13, 2016 06:15 PM (37OkS)

131 Just looked at Kindle Unlimited, there are dozens on chess books, 1,557 books total

Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 06:16 PM (fizMZ)

132 Chess is great but Bridge Trumps it.

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Bridge sucks ass. never play games with bridge

Posted by: Chris Christie at March 13, 2016 06:16 PM (o7Ufw)

133 How weird, earlier today I had just looked up a site online to play some free chess games against a computer since I was just thinking about getting back into it. Had a USCF membership years ago and used to play a lot online. Not very good though, but still love to play.


Thanks for bringing this back OM!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 13, 2016 06:17 PM (Wckf4)

134 >>> Absolutely despise Fischer.

I have an easier time forgiving him of his anti-Semitism than I do of Botvinnik's clear eyed embrace of Bolshevism.

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 06:17 PM (2hcmo)

135 Fluffy, that was Steinitz who claimed to be able to give God pawn odds and beat Him.

Also, he could talk to Him on the the phone. So he said.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 06:18 PM (SYf3K)

136 There is an extra Black pawn. The "extra" pawn is either at G6 or F2. If you remove the G6 pawn, then White can mate by moving the Rook at G8 to G4,

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nope. h3 pawn takes rook

Posted by: Burger King at March 13, 2016 06:19 PM (o7Ufw)

137 LegalInsurrection top story is Gary Kasparov being lectured by Bernie supporters on the glories of socialism.

Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 06:19 PM (fizMZ)

138 >>>How do we start a thread for underachievers and slackers?

Posted by: Weasel at March 13, 2016 06:09 PM (e3bId)<<<

Nobody wants to talk about Jeb Bush and Ben Carson.

Posted by: D. Trump at March 13, 2016 06:20 PM (H9MG5)

139 We are well over a dozen comments and OM did say open thread so speaking of pawns how about that Pawn Star guy that got busted? Good riddance I say I hope it crashes the show. They will come up with something even more stupid though so whatever.

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 06:20 PM (BO/km)

140 Has anyone suggested that Soviet Chess Combine would be a great band name yet?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at March 13, 2016 06:21 PM (jR7Wy)

141 >>> Fluffy, that was Steinitz who claimed to be able to give God pawn odds and beat Him.

Great. Next, you'll tell me it's MY fault when I lose a game.

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 06:21 PM (2hcmo)

142 Let the Wookie win.

Posted by: jsg at March 13, 2016 06:22 PM (T1GDk)

143 @OM: If you're truly a "low-rated noob", you really shouldn't be reading opening books at all - at least not thoroughly. I assign you to go through a book each on Tactics, Endgames, and Illustrative Games.

Re: Candidates Tournament: 3 rounds in the books, 3 wins. Unfortunately one of them belongs to Anand. (Not that I don't like him, but someone else this time please...)

Posted by: Jabari at March 13, 2016 06:24 PM (TEuCr)

144 The stage name of that position should be "Pawns a Plenty." I thought I was going to have to get out my board and set the posish up but, much to my smug self-satisfaction, i figured it out in a couple minutes. I saw Pawn Sacrifice a few weeks ago. I thought Liev Schreiber did a great job as Spassky but I just couldn't wrap my head around Tobey Mcguire as Fischer.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 13, 2016 06:25 PM (W1BHb)

145 We
are well over a dozen comments and OM did say open thread so speaking
of pawns how about that Pawn Star guy that got busted? Good riddance I
say I hope it crashes the show. They will come up with something even
more stupid though so whatever.




I am hoping that my script for "Dumpster Chef Challenge" will catch a reality TV producer's eye.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 13, 2016 06:25 PM (3V0VB)

146 Hmmm... 120+ comments and most of them on topic. I may do the chess thread more often, maybe once a month instead of every six months. I am pleasantly surprised and gratified by the response.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 06:26 PM (SYf3K)

147 Is black Rupaul? If he could get all nine pawns to the end row he could have nine other queens prancing around the board.

Posted by: aGrimm at March 13, 2016 06:26 PM (LXZy7)

148 Too many white pieces and not enough females.

Posted by: Barry at March 13, 2016 06:28 PM (LYCUN)

149
nope. h3 pawn takes rook
Posted by: Burger King at March 13, 2016 06:19 PM (o7Ufw)

h3 pawn is attacking g2, not g4.

Posted by: jsg at March 13, 2016 06:28 PM (T1GDk)

150 OM if you have a "just" chess thread I will refrain from saying stupid stuff. On that thread at least.

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 06:28 PM (BO/km)

151 I make it the extra pawn is a F,Gor H from 6 down. Any of those pawns could captured a piece moving it one or two columns away from starting position.

Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 06:32 PM (fizMZ)

152 h3 pawn is attacking g2, not g4.

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since white king above black king, i'm picturing it as black advancing 'up' the board.

Posted by: Burger King at March 13, 2016 06:33 PM (o7Ufw)

153 140 Has anyone suggested that Soviet Chess Combine would be a great band name yet?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at March 13, 2016 06:21 PM (jR7Wy)

No one is gonna pay a cover charge to watch a bunch of nerdy squares.

Posted by: jsg at March 13, 2016 06:34 PM (T1GDk)

154 With white to move, you can remove the extra pawn at e3, f2, g6, or h3 and win.

Posted by: WOPR at March 13, 2016 06:34 PM (LTDSy)

155 146 Hmmm... 120+ comments and most of them on topic. I may do the chess thread more often, maybe once a month instead of every six months. I am pleasantly surprised and gratified by the response.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 06:26 PM (SYf3K)

Chess is totally for nerds!!!

(i was the president of the chess club in high school though. don't tell anyone.)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 13, 2016 06:36 PM (AkOaV)

156 since white king above black king, i'm picturing it as black advancing 'up' the board.
Posted by: Burger King at March 13, 2016 06:33 PM (o7Ufw)

Black always starts on the 7,8 ranks.

Posted by: jsg at March 13, 2016 06:37 PM (T1GDk)

157 Oh if this is a once a month thread I'm going to brush up

Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 06:39 PM (fizMZ)

158 since white king above black king, i'm picturing it as black advancing 'up' the board.

Posted by: Burger King at March 13, 2016 06:33 PM (o7Ufw)



Black always starts on the 7,8 ranks.





BOOM

Posted by: Al Sharpton's head at March 13, 2016 06:39 PM (3V0VB)

159 I've past 50 and only know the most basics of chess. But I keep hearing I need something to keep my mind sharp now. Is Chess as good as Sudoku?

Posted by: Willy J. at March 13, 2016 06:40 PM (On7rW)

160 I'm going full Kobayashi Maru on the chess match...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at March 13, 2016 06:44 PM (gqqkh)

161 BOOM
Posted by: Al Sharpton's head at March 13, 2016 06:39 PM (3V0VB)

I laughed.

Posted by: jsg at March 13, 2016 06:44 PM (T1GDk)

162 Whatever the case, let the Wookie win...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at March 13, 2016 06:45 PM (gqqkh)

163 You have 9 black pawns...
Without knowing which is wrong, it's hard to determine the "mate".

A pawn can (by taking) move ranks laterally.
Assuming none did; then F7 or F2 is incorrect.

If F7 is not there, the knight at D8 can move to E6 for mate.
IF F2 is not there, the bishop at G1 can take E3 for mate.


Posted by: gekkobear at March 13, 2016 06:48 PM (1tc4V)

164 Black always starts on the 7,8 ranks.

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Whitey always makes us start in the back. Then he goes first.

Posted by: BLM at March 13, 2016 06:50 PM (o7Ufw)

165 Correct the mistake

I see four black pawns.

Posted by: Jean-Luc Picard at March 13, 2016 06:50 PM (w35Hj)

166 Take a straight and stronger course
To the corner of your life
Make the white queen run so fast
She hasn't got time to make you a wife

'Cause it's time, it's time in time with your time
And its news is captured for the queen to use

Move me on to any black square
Use me any time you want
Just remember that the goal
Is for us all to capture all we want, yea, yea, yea

Don't surround yourself with yourself
Move on back two squares
Send an instant karma to me
Initial it with loving care, yourself


Posted by: Jon Anderson at March 13, 2016 06:51 PM (o7Ufw)

167
Speaking of Communists and Russians...

We're coming up on the 30th anniversary of Chernobyl. I had completely forgotten that happened in the '80's.

I just watched a Nature special made in 2011 about the wildlife that is thriving in the abandoned area. The animals; wolves, eagles, fish, birds, beavers, etc. are all radioactive but seemingly healthy. Trees are green again and growing tall. And radioactive.

Catfish are growing to 8+ feet because they are no longer being fished and are now too big for the eagles and falcons to hunt. Catfish can live 100 years, they say.

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at March 13, 2016 06:53 PM (gkSMQ)

168 Who Keres?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 13, 2016 06:53 PM (GdFQh)

169 Keep those four black pawns away from John Derbyshire.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at March 13, 2016 06:54 PM (gqqkh)

170 please update your adjectives. or else.

Posted by: African American pawns at March 13, 2016 06:55 PM (o7Ufw)

171 When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the white knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's lost her head
Remember what the dormouse said

Feed your head
Feed your head

Posted by: Grace Slick at March 13, 2016 06:55 PM (2hcmo)

172 159 I've past 50 and only know the most basics of chess. But I keep hearing

I need something to keep my mind sharp now. Is Chess as good as Sudoku?
Posted by: Willy J. at March 13, 2016 06:40 PM (On7rW)


Chess, of course. Of course, I'm biased.

Actually, I like both Chess and Sudoku. But I think Chess is better.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 06:56 PM (xrInd)

173 >>> Who Keres?

*** golf clap ***

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 06:57 PM (2hcmo)

174 Now you can pick up a match in a matter of seconds. Didn't used to be like that. Games played over months with the moves mailed to each other. And my dad was there. Delivering those crushing sacrifices and forced checkmates.

Posted by: John Kasich at March 13, 2016 06:58 PM (T1GDk)

175 143 @OM: If you're truly a "low-rated noob", you really shouldn't be reading opening books at all - at least not thoroughly. I assign you to go through a book each on Tactics, Endgames, and Illustrative Games.

Posted by: Jabari at March 13, 2016 06:24 PM (TEuCr)


This is good advice. I try to study Tactics every day, at least 6-12 problems.

But I don't want to get simply blown out in the opening, so I need to learn about at least some of them.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 06:59 PM (xrInd)

176 Posted on wrong thread below... Anyway, according to Insty, two Hellfire missiles have been found on an Air Serbia jet going from Beirut to Belgrade. Destined to Portland, OR.

http://tinyurl.com/hznzhpn

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 13, 2016 07:02 PM (/WPPJ)

177 Man, what great riddles! I had no idea what was happening.

Posted by: t-bird at March 13, 2016 07:04 PM (w35Hj)

178 Good timing. ION television is showing a Leverage episode dealing with chess.

Posted by: JTB at March 13, 2016 07:07 PM (FvdPb)

179 Trump.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at March 13, 2016 07:07 PM (eXTZt)

180 Black pawns matter

Posted by: RokShox at March 13, 2016 07:10 PM (Ap82b)

181 The book I have goes through basic starting position maybe out to 10 moves. Basic starts are bread and butter because showing bad starts keeps you from doing bad things out of the gate. It goes throw middle games how best to move pieces coordinated. Then end games of just a few pieces to show how to end efficiently.

Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 07:11 PM (fizMZ)

182 Is the black king Obama?

Posted by: Tyler Mason at March 13, 2016 05:11 PM (t/2s7)



He would be the queen

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 13, 2016 07:12 PM (45oDG)

183
If white wins is that because of white privilege?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 13, 2016 07:13 PM (45oDG)

184 9 pawns. Any pawn removed allows mate in 1. With myriad mats with the various white pieces.

Posted by: blogforce one at March 13, 2016 07:13 PM (MmEuu)

185 OK, this is driving me nuts. I know there was some TV show or maybe movie in which the hero was constantly being asked about some chess move. As in "Queen to Queen's bishop 4." He would then refuse to answer.

But what was it? A Star Trek: TOS episode? The Prisoner? U.F.O.? Anyone know? I'm guessing U.F.O. and Straker, but not at all sure. And what was the background?

Posted by: Splunge at March 13, 2016 07:18 PM (iMxBJ)

186
Bernie Sanders will make all the pieces Kings so no one ever loses...

Posted by: Beto Ochoa (@Beto_In_Austin) at March 13, 2016 07:19 PM (hCdMd)

187 Journalists are not allowed to film the White Queen mating the Black King.

Posted by: t-bird at March 13, 2016 07:22 PM (w35Hj)

188 Chess move movie/ show is sounding familiar

Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 07:24 PM (fizMZ)

189 188 Chess move movie/ show is sounding familiar
Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 07:24 PM (fizMZ)


Wait, it's coming back. I think it was "Queen to queen's level 3," spoken by Spock, to Kirk except someone else was using his body. An authentication code. Janice Lester?

Posted by: Splunge at March 13, 2016 07:25 PM (iMxBJ)

190 OM, what would be the best way for me to actually learn the game of chess? My husband plays, but he and I don't do the whole "tutor/student" thing well at all. Is there a "Dummies" book out there somewhere?

Posted by: antisocialist at March 13, 2016 07:25 PM (9n14Y)

191 Each of those 9 pawns can be removed for 9 total answers to the first part of the problem, which results in 9 different mates in 1
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 06:06 PM (SYf3K)

Well, I'll be. I thought the point was to find the "extra" pawn first, but apparently this Primer is pretty advanced.
I would consider myself a novice or a moron, yes, with a small m

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 13, 2016 07:26 PM (kKHcp)

192 It appears I'm alone... chucking the pants...and the underwear!

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 13, 2016 07:32 PM (kKHcp)

193 182 Is the black king Obama?
Posted by: Tyler Mason at March 13, 2016 05:11 PM (t/2s7)
He would be the queen
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 13, 2016 07:12 PM (45oDG)




The rooks would be SecTreas and the Chairman of the Fed.


Are we still allowed to have bishops? You're sure they're not imams now?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 13, 2016 07:33 PM (oKE6c)

194 I'm bored. Let's discuss board games in general. What do yall think about Catan?

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 07:33 PM (BO/km)

195 Man this thread is getting gamey.

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 07:36 PM (BO/km)

196
Are we still allowed to have bishops? You're sure they're not imams now?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 13, 2016 07:33 PM (oKE6c)


Originally they were sailing ships, hence the diagonal unlimited travel

Posted by: Kindltot at March 13, 2016 07:38 PM (q2o38)

197 190 OM, what would be the best way for me to actually learn the game of chess? My husband plays, but he and I don't do the whole "tutor/student" thing well at all. Is there a "Dummies" book out there somewhere?

Posted by: antisocialist at March 13, 2016 07:25 PM (9n14Y)


Yes, there is a "Chess For Dummies" book out there, and I hear it's quite good.

In addition, try the United States Chess Federation's "Learn To Play" tutorial on their web site:

http://www.uschess.org/content/blogsection/19/28/

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 07:38 PM (xrInd)

198 It appears I'm alone... chucking the pants...and the underwear!

Oh no it's OneEyedJackJr.!

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 07:39 PM (BO/km)

199 I'm getting board with this topic.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 13, 2016 07:39 PM (GdFQh)

200 190 ... I started learning about chess after a fifty year hiatus. Three books I found helpful:

Chess for Dummies

Logical Chess: Move By Move by Chernev

Complete Idiot's Guide to Chess

Chances are your local library has at least one of these.

OM and others can offer much more informed suggestions.

Posted by: JTB at March 13, 2016 07:39 PM (FvdPb)

201 Originally they were sailing ships, hence the diagonal unlimited travel

Posted by: Kindltot at March 13, 2016 07:38 PM (q2o3


Uh, that is not according to what I know.

One of the differences between medieval chess and modern chess is how the Bishop moves. In medieval chess, the Bishop could only move one diagonal square. Whatever the Bishop was called before it became known as a Bishop, it did not have unlimited diagonal travel.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 07:42 PM (xrInd)

202 Wait,
it's coming back. I think it was "Queen to queen's level 3," spoken by
Spock, to Kirk except someone else was using his body.

--

I'm remembering it was when there were two Kirks...good/regular Kirk and his bad alter ego Kirk. The Queen to queen's level 3 was code to Spock to differentiate the real from the fake Kirk. Bad Kirk couldn't answer.

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun at March 13, 2016 07:43 PM (pVkEV)

203 One of the differences between medieval chess and modern chess is how the Bishop moves. In medieval chess, the Bishop could only move one diagonal square. Whatever the Bishop was called before it became known as a Bishop, it did not have unlimited diagonal travel.

It would be interesting to learn medieval chess, as well as Indian chess. Then I could be slightly less than mediocre at three different versions ;-b..

Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 07:46 PM (2hcmo)

204 "But I don't want to get simply blown out in the opening, so I need to learn about at least some of them.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 06:59 PM (xrInd)"

I find the best strategy regarding openings (especially for beginning and intermediate players) is to extensively study and play one sound opening for both sides of the board and leave it at that. For instance, when playing white I always use the Queen's Pawn. And if black I go with the Sicilian if I can. I've played these openings thousands of times so I know them well enough to keep myself out of trouble.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 13, 2016 07:50 PM (jq0uP)

205 185 OK, this is driving me nuts. I know there was some TV show or maybe movie in which the hero was constantly being asked about some chess move. As in "Queen to Queen's bishop 4." He would then refuse to answer.

Assassins had Antonio Banderes saying 'Bishop takes rook pawn' to Stallone in the cab. Reference to a game Stallone and his assasin mentor were playing before Stallone popped him. Only one I can think of right now.

Posted by: jsg at March 13, 2016 07:50 PM (T1GDk)

206 Wow, Monday Morning Dump up already. Leapt pretty far forward.


So far, in fact, that MH can no longer spell his name.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 13, 2016 07:50 PM (Wckf4)

207 Wow, Monday Morning Dump up already. Leapt pretty far forward.


So far, in fact, that MH can no longer spell his name.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 13, 2016 07:50 PM (Wckf4)



How many hours ahead did he set his clock?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 13, 2016 07:52 PM (45oDG)

208 One too many pawns .... wait, that can't be it, ... you can never have too many pawns (or prawns).

Posted by: Yuri at March 13, 2016 07:52 PM (l2xHJ)

209 For openings, I follow the advice of an IM who personally gave me some pointers - move a pawn into the center, develop knights first, then bishops, don't move a single piece more than once during the opening.


Gets me well into the mid game every time with usually playable positioning and no loss of material. It's all downhill after that though.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 13, 2016 07:54 PM (Wckf4)

210 205 185 OK, this is driving me nuts. I know there was some TV show or maybe movie in which the hero was constantly being asked about some chess move. As in "Queen to Queen's bishop 4." He would then refuse to answer.

Memory Alpha - ST:TOS code phrase "queen to queen's level 3."

Posted by: Black Pawns Matter at March 13, 2016 07:54 PM (/2E+M)

211 Monday morning dump is up..... heh

Posted by: Yip at March 13, 2016 07:57 PM (e7T6D)

212
I realize DST bothers many, but that Monday Morning News Dump with today's hour off time stamp is just scary.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 13, 2016 07:57 PM (P/8aq)

213 Looks like MisHum just had a fender-bender with Ace's time machine...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at March 13, 2016 07:57 PM (D0J8L)

214 It would be interesting to learn medieval chess, as well as Indian chess. Then I could be slightly less than mediocre at three different versions ;-b..
Posted by: fluffy at March 13, 2016 07:46 PM (2hcmo)


I've heard that medieval chess is a lot slower than modern chess, due to the severely limited Queen and Bishop moves. You'll lose, but you'll get beat a lot more slowly. D)

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 07:59 PM (xrInd)

215 Good stuff, OregonMuse. Thank you.

Posted by: Percy Gryce at March 13, 2016 08:04 PM (hdIml)

216 >>>I realize DST bothers many, but that Monday Morning News Dump with today's hour off time stamp is just scary.


Posted by: irongrampa at March 13, 2016 07:57 PM (P/8aq)<<<

Great Scott!!! I wonder if he realized the consequences that post could have on the space time continuum?!

Posted by: Doc Brown at March 13, 2016 08:04 PM (H9MG5)

217 Ace/Maet, I hereby volunteer to do a poker thread next weekend. 100% free of charge.

Pretty pretty please??????? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:06 PM (ntObR)

218 Was just reading wikipedia's History_of_chess. Pretty interesting.

Posted by: t-bird at March 13, 2016 08:06 PM (jO7js)

219 Hey everybody.

Once had a copy of Chess For Dummies, now I can't find it; think I sold it. I also sold my copy of Card Games for Dummies. Dang!!!!!!!!1!!

Parts of my book library I need to rebuild, just like my CD and movie libraries.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:07 PM (ntObR)

220 Both poker and chess have roots in Persia, I believe...

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:08 PM (ntObR)

221 Game books I will add to my library before long:

- Chess for Dummies
- Card Games for Dummies (foreword by Omar Sharif)
- Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess
- Beat the Dealer, by UCI Professor Edward O. Thorp
- Daniel Negreanu's Power Hold'Em Strategy
- Reading Poker Tells

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:12 PM (ntObR)

222 Anybody still here?????? This thing on????????????

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:15 PM (ntObR)

223 222 Anybody still here?????? This thing on????????????

No.

Posted by: Fox2! at March 13, 2016 08:17 PM (brIR5)

224 Apparently, you're the only one here, qdpsteve.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 08:19 PM (xrInd)

225 Remove the excess/9th black pawn at F2. White can then mate by moving its bishop at G1 to capture the black pawn at E3.

Posted by: ras at March 13, 2016 08:23 PM (hsjaJ)

226 (ahem)

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 13, 2016 08:23 PM (J3phO)

227 None of the checkers have been kinged....

Posted by: AnthonyB at March 13, 2016 08:24 PM (5VEXA)

228 If you remove the pawn from F7, the knight moving from D8 can do the job. If you remove the pawn from F2, either the bishop from G1 or the pawn from from D2 can take the pawn at E3, causing mate. But even without correcing the mistake, the black queen can move to A1 and it's mate.

Posted by: Spamf Roming at March 13, 2016 08:24 PM (C4tqu)

229 Watching TWD... I know, I know... don't say it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 13, 2016 08:24 PM (J3phO)

230 Remove the excess/9th black pawn at F2. White can then mate by moving its bishop at G1 to capture the black pawn at E3.

The answer, revealed somewhere above in the thread, is even more interesting than that.

Posted by: t-bird at March 13, 2016 08:25 PM (ZxmMG)

231 RE board game puzzle.

It looks like *to the trained eye*, that if those 3 black pieces can all move up 2 spaces, they can be "kinged" and then they can really kick some ass.

Posted by: Gomer at March 13, 2016 08:27 PM (aRUb8)

232 Has anyone played Dama, Turkish checkers?

Posted by: Kindltot at March 13, 2016 08:28 PM (q2o38)

233 @194: Catan's ok - a good intro to "real" board games for people who only think of Monopoly and Risk.

Carcassonne's pretty good too.

Roborally's probably my favorite, but that may be hard to find nowadays.

Posted by: Jabari at March 13, 2016 08:29 PM (TEuCr)

234

227
None of the checkers have been kinged....


Posted by: AnthonyB at March 13, 2016 08:24 PM (5VEXA)


Hey!..another experienced player, I see.You have a keen eye.

Posted by: Gomer at March 13, 2016 08:29 PM (aRUb8)

235 I always lose at Catan so I'm not that fond of it. My two teenagers like it though.

They also like a board game called Battletech. I lose at that too.

I will kick their butts at chess though. No mercy no mo.

Posted by: freaked at March 13, 2016 08:32 PM (BO/km)

236 I see the problem. None of the pieces are on the intersections of the lines. Seriously, this is no way to play Go y'all...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at March 13, 2016 08:34 PM (D0J8L)

237 Black has 9 pawns, not possible. Remove the black pawn at f2. White to play Bg1-e3 Checkmate.

Took me a while see the problem, but I'm not used chess problems setting up an impossible position.

Very nice !

Posted by: jbarntt at March 13, 2016 08:34 PM (hZo0w)

238 Watch me jump the shark with my chess board!

Posted by: Pawnzie at March 13, 2016 08:34 PM (/i7Ua)

239 "Watching TWD... I know, I know... don't say it."



*sigh* Same here.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 13, 2016 08:37 PM (Wckf4)

240 Keep your hands off my Chess!!!

Posted by: lindafell de spair at March 13, 2016 08:39 PM (xVgrA)

241 #237. Good start. Now find the other 8 mates-in-one when you remove the other black pawns, each in its turn.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 08:39 PM (xrInd)

242 "Anybody still here?????? This thing on????????????
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:15 PM (ntObR)"

What kind of poker did you have in mind? I used to be a pretty fair hand at PL Omaha and OHL08. Made a few thousand a year from the fishes at the height of the online poker boom. Then the wife got used to having the extra income and it became less like a hobby and more like a job. Lost interest completely. Lol.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 13, 2016 08:40 PM (8xieD)

243 Lamont, I admit I had hold'em, particularly no-limit in mind.

But I've read in a lot of places what you say about Omaha. Lots of players, but only a few know what they're doing. I've read numerous times how people who are just willing to do the research, can make far more money these days playing Omaha than NLHE. Maybe we could both write up something for Maet and Ace...

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:43 PM (ntObR)

244 Hey, are you staring at my Chess?

Posted by: lindafell de spair at March 13, 2016 08:45 PM (xVgrA)

245 Oops, I meant Texas Hold'em.

And for those of you who don't know... the difference is, Texas HE gives the individual *2* hole cards and puts 5 on a community board; the best 5-card hand wins.

In regular Omaha, you get *4* individual hole cards and 5 on a community board, and the best 5-card hand you can make *with only 2 of your 4 hole cards* is the winner. Is this correct Lamont?

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:45 PM (ntObR)

246 I also have wanted for quite some time to get to play in an old-fashioned casino game of Draw Poker.

Unfortunately, I've since learned the average age of a casino draw poker player in the US today is: dead.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:47 PM (ntObR)

247 227 None of the checkers have been kinged....

It's very hard to balance one pawn on top of another. This is why chess is more difficult than checkers.

Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 08:49 PM (sdi6R)

248 qdpsteve, I'd be willing. The great thing with PL Omaha was exactly what you highlighted. Folks who had just bought Rounders on DVD would drift into the poker room hoping to play some NL Hold 'em.

Then, when they found the tables full and the waiting list too long, they would decide to give Omaha a try. I mean, how hard can it be right? You even get two more cards!

After being felted a couple times, they would usually drift off and quietly add their names to the hold 'em waiting list. Lol.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 13, 2016 08:51 PM (8xieD)

249 rickl, not if you buy one of qdpsteve's patented Nevr-Break Pawn Headgear Outfits!! Makes it much easier to balance pawns on top of each other, plus thousands of other handy household uses!! Just $14.95 per piece and $9.95 shipping!! Act now!!!!!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:51 PM (ntObR)

250 Lamont, yup, thanks. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:51 PM (ntObR)

251 For the forthcoming Poker thread just to get it out of the way.

"Poker in the front Liquor in the rear"

Heard that saying a million times never thought about what it means. WTF

Posted by: Willy J. at March 13, 2016 08:52 PM (On7rW)

252 Willy, yup. Some jokes are old as the hills, but still funny. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:53 PM (ntObR)

253 Sorry, but those 3 "half-move" problems are BS. I didn't even know what a half-move was but the answers (which I won't give away for anyone who is still working on them) are total crap. Sorry, but I almost punched the screen when I saw those answers.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 08:54 PM (zc3Db)

254 Primordial, and what are we doing taking exercises from a SOVIET chess manual?!?!? What's next, a Bernie rally right here at the AoS????

This is an American blog dammit!! We demand patriotic chess instruction!! ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:55 PM (ntObR)

255 It appears I'm alone... chucking the pants...and the underwear!


Underwear? What strange custom is that?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 13, 2016 08:55 PM (1xUj/)

256 qdpsteve, yep that's the down and dirty of Omaha. So many possibilities. You really have to be disciplined. Especially at a full table. The biggest mistake beginning Omaha players make is overrating the strength of their hand. Unlike Hold'em, your set doesn't mean much if you get to the river in Omaha with a couple more players in tow.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 13, 2016 08:56 PM (jq0uP)

257 Primordial, and what are we doing taking exercises from a SOVIET chess manual?!?!? What's next, a Bernie rally right here at the AoS????

This is an American blog dammit!! We demand patriotic chess instruction!! ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:55 PM (ntObR)


Those were old Soviet problems? That explains it. You could give an answer .. The queen was being held in the hand as the player was moving it from F3 ... and I decide to put it blah blah blah MATE!

Except in the Soviet Union, if you gave any answer other than the one in the manual they awarded you with a trip to a gulag to practice "the correct way".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 08:58 PM (zc3Db)

258 Lamont, right. And from what I've read, you need considerably bigger hands to justify holding on to them; your 3s full of 8s just aren't going to hold up as often at the Omaha table as at the HE table.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 08:58 PM (ntObR)

259 Does anybody play straight draw poker any more in Casinos? Or straight 5-card stud?


I've seen enough Texas hold'em on TV in bars and whatnot, that I know I would be bored to death trying to actually play it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 13, 2016 08:58 PM (/i7Ua)

260 "1. Find the mistake in the diagram"

What kind of mistake? Did a player make a wrong move? Who's turn is it? Is a piece in the wrong location?

I remember reading these chess problems as a kid and I see they haven't gotten any better. They're so ambiguous as to be a complete waste of time.

Posted by: MrX at March 13, 2016 08:59 PM (if9v9)

261 In Search of Bobby Fischer is one of my favorite movies.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 13, 2016 09:00 PM (MNgU2)

262 I love to play old 5 card draw. The variants on TV have just never been interesting to me.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 13, 2016 09:00 PM (Wckf4)

263 I just read the answers to the half-move problems and now I want to punch the screen too.

Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 09:01 PM (sdi6R)

264 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 13, 2016 08:58 PM (/i7Ua)

Draw poker uses too many cards, I think. You have the potential for 8 cards per person per deal, which limits the table to 6 players.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 09:01 PM (zc3Db)

265 Primoridal, LOL, yep.

AOP, I've wondered the same. The *only* casino I know of that even occasionally offers draw is Commerce Casino here in SoCal... and it's in a *horrible*, gang-infested industrial area near LA.

Texas Hold'Em became more popular, and has been promoted far more, because it has more betting rounds than classic draw and, I believe, 5-card stud (which is more available than Draw but still hard to find anymore).

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 09:02 PM (ntObR)

266 I played mostly Bouree' in college. Any other Louisiana gamblers in the house?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 13, 2016 09:02 PM (MNgU2)

267 I just read the answers to the half-move problems and now I want to punch the screen too.

Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 09:01 PM (sdi6R)


Was that fucked up or what?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 09:02 PM (zc3Db)

268 In Search of Bobby Fischer is one of my favorite movies.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 13, 2016 09:00 PM (MNgU2)


"Fisching For Jimmy Hoffa" was pretty good, too. Especially the part where they dredged up the 12 pound lobster wearing his Rolex like a pro wrestling belt.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 13, 2016 09:02 PM (/i7Ua)

269 In Search of Bobby Fischer is one of my favorite movies.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 13, 2016 09:00 PM (MNgU2)


Was it narrated by Leonard Nimoy?

Posted by: Kindltot at March 13, 2016 09:02 PM (q2o38)

270 "Poker in the front Liquor in the rear"

Heard that saying a million times never thought about what it means. WTF


Posted by: Willy J. at March 13, 2016 08:52 PM (On7rW)

Works the other way too.

Posted by: Blano at March 13, 2016 09:02 PM (heN73)

271 qdpsteve, I think Hold'em is a more strategic, intellectual game. Much more like chess whereas Omaha is more straight-forward, like checkers. Honestly, if you know the odds and just play the cards anyone can do alright at Omaha. Hold'em, though, especially NL, is a thinking man's game.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 13, 2016 09:03 PM (8xieD)

272 Joe, check out Pawn Sacrifice. I thought it was quite good.

Can't help but wonder how Fischer would have done at poker. My hunch is his strategy would be great but he couldn't play like a decent human being would because he was always convinced people were *plotting against him*... and in poker, your fellow players actually are doing that a lot of the time.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 09:03 PM (ntObR)

273 5 card draw jacks or better trips to win is how we play it.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 13, 2016 09:04 PM (MNgU2)

274 In Search of Bobby Fischer is one of my favorite movies.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 13, 2016 09:00 PM (MNgU2)

Was it narrated by Leonard Nimoy?
Posted by: Kindltot at March 13, 2016 09:02 PM (q2o3

Now that was funny.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 13, 2016 09:04 PM (8xieD)

275 Underwear? What strange custom is that?

In formal settings, you remove the underwear from your head when indoors.

Posted by: t-bird at March 13, 2016 09:05 PM (ANVXm)

276 In Search of Bobby Fischer is one of my favorite movies.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 13, 2016 09:00 PM (MNgU2)


It's a great movie. The mother is a bit of a PITA ... but excellent flick. I loved when he bawled out the teacher. "Chess stuff??!"

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 09:05 PM (zc3Db)

277 Lamont, also good points. You're convincing me frankly to try some Omaha next time I play... :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 09:05 PM (ntObR)

278 Works the other way too.

Posted by: Blano>>>
Makes way more sense that way too.

Posted by: Willy J. at March 13, 2016 09:06 PM (On7rW)

279 Joe, sounds like fun. Wish I could join ya as I assume you're not in SoCal. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 09:06 PM (ntObR)

280
Do you see the mistake?

Nein! Nein!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: 'Who Decides?' at March 13, 2016 09:07 PM (BK3ZS)

281 Works the other way too.

And tastes better.

Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 09:07 PM (sdi6R)

282 Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 09:06 PM (ntObR)

In Houston now. Pretty active high stakes poker community.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 13, 2016 09:10 PM (MNgU2)

283 The mistake is that Biden should have run.
*I denounce myself*

Posted by: Hildebeast at March 13, 2016 09:10 PM (SkmK9)

284 Joe, oh yeah. I'd bet a lot of 'em will be coming over to Vegas soon for the WSOP.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 09:11 PM (ntObR)

285 They also have pretty good poker rooms in the Lake Charles casinos ( right over the Texas / LA border ) .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 13, 2016 09:13 PM (MNgU2)

286 The bishop and the king jump on the queen and a good time is had by all?

Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at March 13, 2016 09:14 PM (LQLeS)

287 Joe, wouldn't mind going over there sometime.

Long story why, but I will likely be spending some time this summer at one of the Choctaw Casinos in Pocola, OK. Will let you know if I do.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 09:14 PM (ntObR)

288 So Black has nine pawns. Did one of his pieces get demoted?

Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 09:16 PM (sdi6R)

289 Heh, pwned!

Posted by: Drag queen at March 13, 2016 09:16 PM (LQLeS)

290 rickl, one of 'em used to be Mongo. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 09:17 PM (ntObR)

291 I'd also like to see here at Ace's a water polo thread, particularly some tips on how to keep your horse from drowning.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 09:18 PM (ntObR)

292 I think I can "correct the mistake." You should have been playing Yahtzee.

Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at March 13, 2016 09:20 PM (LQLeS)

293 White privilege.

Posted by: DeRay McKesson at March 13, 2016 09:23 PM (aRUb8)

294 Okay all, gotta go for a bit. See you on the ONT.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 13, 2016 09:25 PM (ntObR)

295 253 Sorry, but those 3 "half-move" problems are BS. I didn't even know what a half-move was but the answers (which I won't give away for anyone who is still working on them) are total crap. Sorry, but I almost punched the screen when I saw those answers.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 08:54 PM (zc3Db)


Hey, I actually got one of them right when I first looked at them, so they're not total bs...

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 09:27 PM (xrInd)

296 280 Do you see the mistake?

Nein! Nein!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: 'Who Decides?' at March 13, 2016 09:07 PM (BK3ZS)


( *golf clap* )

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 09:29 PM (xrInd)

297 288 So Black has nine pawns. Did one of his pieces get demoted?
Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 09:16 PM (sdi6R)


That could be an interesting variation. After the start of the game, if you move a piece off the first rank and then back again, it gets demoted to a pawn.

Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 09:30 PM (sdi6R)

298 Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 13, 2016 09:00 PM (MNgU2)

Damn, I missed the Chess Thread!

Huge fan of that movie. If you didn't know, which I doubt you don't, it was based on Josh Waitzkin, a child prodigy now grown international master.

I wish I had these guys skill to see the moves so far ahead. I have to work hard to see four or five moves.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 13, 2016 09:31 PM (pUDQf)

299 4 hour chess thread. So it's it's one of those nights

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 13, 2016 09:31 PM (dBmVV)

300 It's not afternoon any more. Even on the west coast.

4:30 p.m. in Hawaii. On a Sunday, that's evening, I think.

Posted by: filbert at March 13, 2016 09:31 PM (s5o+q)

301 I've seen enough Texas hold'em on TV in bars and whatnot, that I know I would be bored to death trying to actually play it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
-------------
I had a regular once-a-month poker game that went on for 20 years. Same six players. Games were 5 card draw, 5 card stud, and 7 card stud, dealer's choice. Nickle ante. Nothing to open, no wild cards, quarter limit, BYOB. Good times.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 13, 2016 09:32 PM (w35Hj)

302 Hey, I actually got one of them right when I first looked at them, so they're not total bs...

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 09:27 PM (xrInd)



Well ... I learned what a "1/2 move" is, at least

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 09:37 PM (zc3Db)

303 I had a regular once-a-month poker game that went on for 20 years. Same six players. Games were 5 card draw, 5 card stud, and 7 card stud, dealer's choice. Nickle ante. Nothing to open, no wild cards, quarter limit, BYOB. Good times.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 13, 2016 09:32 PM (w35Hj)


I did that years ago. Penny ante, nickel raise. But we had bullshit games, like "Woolworths" (fives and tens wild), Chicago, Jacks or better, Indian poker, etc. But the stakes kept creeping up, and the fun went out of it for me.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 13, 2016 09:39 PM (/i7Ua)

304 The mistake is black took his king and crowned white and there is no blood on the board.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 13, 2016 09:42 PM (A/3fN)

305 Another cool chess movie - sort of - is Fresh. Interesting and fun.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 09:46 PM (zc3Db)

306 I don't play chess much anymore because I usually stink up the joint.

Tonight I'm stinking up the joint for a different reason. My water heater crapped out and I haven't had a shower since Thursday.

Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 09:49 PM (sdi6R)

307 King me!

Posted by: Barack Checkers at March 13, 2016 09:53 PM (LQLeS)

308 Tonight I'm stinking up the joint for a different reason. My water heater crapped out and I haven't had a shower since Thursday.

Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 09:49 PM (sdi6R)


Just speak a little French and you're good to go.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 13, 2016 09:53 PM (zc3Db)

309
Tonight I'm stinking up the joint for a different reason. My water heater crapped out and I haven't had a shower since Thursday.



Posted by: rickl>>>

Bathtub and stove broke too?

Posted by: Willy J. at March 13, 2016 09:55 PM (On7rW)

310 Tonight I'm stinking up the joint for a different reason. My water heater crapped out and I haven't had a shower since Thursday.
Posted by: rickl
---------------

Man up, rickl!
Cold showers are good for you.
On the upside, your feet will enjoy warmer water than your head.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 13, 2016 09:55 PM (w35Hj)

311 If the ONT doesn't pop up soon will this become the Over Knight Thread?

Posted by: crappy chess comedy at March 13, 2016 09:56 PM (H9MG5)

312 The thread is dead, long live the thread.

Posted by: Pawnbroker at March 13, 2016 09:56 PM (LQLeS)

313 "Tonight I'm stinking up the joint for a different reason. My water heater crapped out and I haven't had a shower since Thursday.


Plumber's gonna say $1500 but needs a carpenter to make the installation. Local regs, you see.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 13, 2016 09:56 PM (bceFx)

314 Tonight I'm stinking up the joint for a different reason. My water heater crapped out and I haven't had a shower since Thursday.
Posted by: rickl


Gallon milk bottle > clean it with soap and a splash o' bleach> heat up water on stove > poke holes in lid > fill bottle > add warm water > shower > soap up > shower.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 13, 2016 09:56 PM (A/3fN)

315 306 I don't play chess much anymore because I usually stink up the joint.
Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 09:49 PM (sdi6R)


Believe me, I stink up the joint, too, but that doesn't keep me from playing.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 09:57 PM (xrInd)

316 "And as the chess thread staggers into its fifth hour, the morons start to wonder if perhaps Maetenloch has fallen and can't get up."

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 10:00 PM (xrInd)

317 Tonight I'm stinking up the joint for a different reason. My water heater crapped out and I haven't had a shower since Thursday.

Horse trough ice melters will heat up a tub full of water ...

Posted by: Adriane the Sci Fi Critic ... at March 13, 2016 10:01 PM (AoK0a)

318 So, we're morons, right? How is it possible we don't have a poker/games of chance thread?

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 13, 2016 10:02 PM (dH97I)

319 Good emergency hot water heater and shower if you still have water with pressure. Too late probably for current problem but a good prep for the price.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/j2aaven

Posted by: Willy J. at March 13, 2016 10:02 PM (On7rW)

320 In Soviet Chess, King checks (up on) you.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 13, 2016 10:03 PM (o7Ufw)

321 "the morons start to wonder if perhaps Maetenloch has fallen and can't get up."



I'm sure he's fine. You know better than me.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 13, 2016 10:05 PM (bceFx)

322 "And as the chess thread staggers into its fifth hour, the morons start to wonder if perhaps Maetenloch has fallen and can't get up."
Posted by: OregonMuse
-----------------------

Or possibly is plotting some terrible punishment for the blameworthy landscape of ONT slackers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 13, 2016 10:05 PM (w35Hj)

323 Tonight I'm stinking up the joint for a different reason. My water heater crapped out and I haven't had a shower since Thursday.
Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 09:49 PM (sdi6R)

FFS, go to home depot, pick up 2 coupling sharkbites, a pipe cutter, some blue sand paper, and a new water heater.

So easy a caveman can do it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 13, 2016 10:06 PM (AkOaV)

324 Fuck chess.

Fuck Trump.

Fuck MUMR.

Fuck Maryland.

Go Rabbits.

That is all.

Actually, no.

Where the hell is the ONT?

Posted by: filbert at March 13, 2016 10:07 PM (s5o+q)

325 rickl, if its electric -- easy. turn it off at the breaker, replicate the wiring on the new one.

if it's gas, grab some gas-rated ptfe tape, turn off the gas, replicate what was there before.

also easy.

turn gas back on, if you smell rotten eggs, you did it wrong.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 13, 2016 10:09 PM (AkOaV)

326
*eyes copper tubing*
Sharkbite couplings?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 13, 2016 10:10 PM (w35Hj)

327 323
FFS, go to home depot, pick up 2 coupling sharkbites, a pipe cutter, some blue sand paper, and a new water heater.

So easy a caveman can do it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 13, 2016 10:06 PM (AkOaV)


I don't understand what those words mean, except "new water heater".

Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 10:10 PM (sdi6R)

328 Where the hell is the ONT?
Posted by: filbert


Where ever you go, there is ONT.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 13, 2016 10:11 PM (A/3fN)

329 turn gas back on, if you smell rotten eggs, you did it wrong.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Or, if you find that the house has lifted on the foundation.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 13, 2016 10:11 PM (w35Hj)

330 Thing about Sharkbites is the crimping tool. I'm guessing you can rent one but first time might not work.

Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 10:12 PM (fizMZ)

331 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 13, 2016 10:10 PM (w35Hj)

Apparently code worthy in like 36 states. The other states are stupid.



Ok, I only know that because we helped Willow fix her toilet.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 13, 2016 10:12 PM (pUDQf)

332 All I know is I just had fun with one of the EPA safety nozzles on a 5 gallon can. Ya know something, they don't work for sh*t on a car from the late 60's. I spilled more gas because of that thing than I would have with the can I inherited from my dad. A can older than I am!
Now I feel dizzy and lightheaded too.

F*ck you EPA! F*CK YOU!!!!

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at March 13, 2016 10:13 PM (hVdx9)

333 Or possibly is plotting some terrible punishment for the blameworthy landscape of ONT slackers.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 13, 2016 10:05 PM (w35Hj)


Yeah, that's what I would call a target-rich environment.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 10:13 PM (xrInd)

334 Sharkbites!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfOsCE4R2W0

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 13, 2016 10:14 PM (kKHcp)

335 John Shaw's book The King's Gambit (Quality Chess, 2013 or 2014) is the current gold standard in King's Gambit literature, I imagine, at least outside of whatever New In Chess yearbooks have monographs in them.

Thanks for the thread.

Posted by: Philip at March 13, 2016 10:14 PM (qpouk)

336 Oh, the sharkbites.

Posted by: Mack the Knife at March 13, 2016 10:16 PM (FkBIv)

337 Thanks for the thread.
Posted by: Philip at March 13, 2016 10:14 PM (qpouk)


And thank you for the King's Gambit book tip.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 10:16 PM (xrInd)

338 To new thread with water heater problem

Posted by: Skip at March 13, 2016 10:16 PM (fizMZ)

339 Can't recommend a book on the Kings Gambit. In my chess playing days, as white, I alternated between e4 and f4. after 1. e4 e5 I played Nc3, the Vienna game, but didn't offer the gambit.

The problem with the King's Gambit Accepted is you are in a sudden death match, whether you are white or black the slightest mistake can be fatal.

I never had a white opponent offer me the King's Gambit, and if one had, I would played the KG Declined. Perfectly sound, and avoids your opponents dastardly plans for you

I'm referring to rated games, over the table or postal. For fun, yeah the KGA all the way.

You probably know, but FYI there is famous KGA game between Fischer and Spassky ca. 1963. Fischer had published an article claiming that his defense as black killed white. Spassky beat him playing white.

Posted by: jbarntt at March 13, 2016 10:18 PM (hZo0w)

340 Proper use of coupling sharkbites.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/qx26bfm

Posted by: Tilikum Armored Killer Assault Whale at March 13, 2016 10:19 PM (hVdx9)

341 336 Oh, the sharkbites.
Posted by: Mack the Knife at March 13, 2016 10:16 PM (FkBIv)


With his teeth, babe.

Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 10:21 PM (sdi6R)

342 With his teeth, babe.
Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2016 10:21 PM (sdi6R)


And he keeps them
Pearly white.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2016 10:24 PM (xrInd)

343 Thanks for this thread - love it. I literally got pwned

Posted by: Lurker Primus at March 13, 2016 11:58 PM (FWLOU)

344 Black has an extra pawn.

I was in BA a few decades ago, but didn't see or hear of a red light district.

The French Defense opening is rarely done by serious players because it involves surrendering after White's first move. I heard it was last played in May 1940.

Posted by: David at March 14, 2016 02:22 AM (TeSnk)

345 What a great thread! Intimidating, but great! Thanks for the eye-stain and the headache!

Posted by: goon at March 14, 2016 02:36 AM (gy5kE)

346 Whoever designed the puzzle deserves credit for handling every scenario of which extra black pawn is removed, including all the en passant possibilities.

Posted by: gensec at March 14, 2016 03:50 AM (O+6LQ)

347 Get off my pawn.

Posted by: JT at March 14, 2016 04:28 AM (YcncK)

348 Thanks for all the welcome posts. Longtime lurker here who occasionally posts.

On the poker topic, I rounded at the Ameristar in the STL during my grad school days at the University of Missouri (yes, that University of Missouri). Made more $ in the summers on the felt than I did from my grad asst stipend the rest of the year. I agree that NL TXHE is the most cerebral of the poker games. PLO is profitable bc the players who play it are pretty bad on the whole. But u better have a big bankroll when u sit down to handle the swings.

Also, someone mentioned dealers choice, nickel ante, quarter limit - that's been the family game since I was a kid, and I still love playing it when it's not for "real."

D.GOOCH

Posted by: GOOCH at March 14, 2016 08:00 AM (0mNiK)

349 Where is the black king?

Posted by: dc at March 14, 2016 12:59 PM (oY/R7)

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