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Charlie Gasparino: Barring a Change in Polls, Rubio Donors Say He Will Suspend His Campaign Before Florida Primary
Gasparino is a reporter for Fox Business News.
I don't know if I buy this -- after all, allegedly, there was a Rubio internal poll that tracked with an anti-Trump poll that said Rubio was within 5 points or something. That's close enough to stay in -- if the polls existed. I guess maybe that was a... well, let's say a Trumpian Declaration? More of an aspiration than a realization? Below are Gasparino's tweets, but not in Tweet form. (Boycott and all.) But Charlie Gasparino is at @CGasparino.@CGasparinoI don't mean to pile on with the dickishness in a bad time, but I do want it on the record that, assuming this is true (which it might be, or might not be), this almost certainly means the CNN story about advisors talking this up was true, and so Cruz wasn't a "liar" "just like with Ben Carson" simply because a volunteer passed around a (true) story. Eh. Either way. It would be marginally better if he dropped out before, because I guess, in theory, Ted Cruz could win Florida (though that would be highly doubtful -- even adding all of Rubio's and Cruz's votes together would just barely edge Trump, and there's no way all the votes would get together like that). What a Rubio drop-out might very well do is catapult flighty, cowardly egomaniac John Kasich into a win in Ohio. Clarification. This isn't about the delegates Rubio's won. Those are his, and I don't think he can pledge them to someone else or barter them away. (Not sure.) It's more about going forward -- will the vote be split four ways, or three? I assume that the Idiot Kasich is not getting out of the race, as he's affirmatively running as a Good Soldier for Trump in hopes of getting Another Government Job.
#breakingnews @marcorubio campaign say he isn't dropping out pre fla donors say it's inevitable unless polls change @FoxBusiness now @CGasparino
the calculus for @marcorubio: barring some radical change in Fla polling is what hurts him more in the long run dropping out pre fla or post
@CGasparino
problem @marcorubio has is his donors are realists (unlike campaign staff) they see no path to victory right now it cld change but unlikely @CGasparino
Billionaire hedge fund manager and @marcorubio supporter Paul Singer prods candidate to tough it out until after Fla vote @FoxBusiness 140pm
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Is rubes off the ballot?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:14 PM (WVsWD)
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If he is not off the ballot he is still in the race. Unless he pledges his delegates to someone else.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:14 PM (WVsWD)
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You honestly think rubes isg oing to pledge his delegates to Cruz this early in the game?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:15 PM (WVsWD)
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Not a chance Ace. Bargaining power. The longer he waits the more he can get for them.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:16 PM (WVsWD)
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>>> You honestly think rubes isg oing to pledge his delegates to Cruz this early in the game?
no. i don't think you can pledge your delegates anyway. they are bound to vote for you on the first ballot; you don't own them like casino chips.
no. i don't think you can pledge your delegates anyway. they are bound to vote for you on the first ballot; you don't own them like casino chips.
Posted by: ace at March 09, 2016 02:16 PM (dciA+)
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He will likely remain on the ballot. And, with FL having fairly heavy early voting, I think Rubio will still likely soak up a lot of votes.
Posted by: nick in south bend at March 09, 2016 02:16 PM (H43MS)
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Let the bidding for his delegates begin. Hello VP Rubio.
Posted by: Tim in GA at March 09, 2016 02:16 PM (QNY1/)
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How about the top 5?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:17 PM (WVsWD)
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Rubio dropout also increases Cruz margin of victory in other states ... Every delegate counts.
Also sucks media oxygen from TrumpalumpaTV into shiny bright new story.
Drop out matters, ASAP.
Also sucks media oxygen from TrumpalumpaTV into shiny bright new story.
Drop out matters, ASAP.
Posted by: PrincetonAl at March 09, 2016 02:17 PM (Fo3UB)
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Basically, it's a sure thing Mario's out after Florida. The only question is how much money he wastes, by staying in or getting out first.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 09, 2016 02:18 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Dondi Rickles at March 09, 2016 02:18 PM (H9MG5)
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I'm looking forward to Trump winning Florida. It is going to be AWESOME.
Posted by: rightwingva at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (12N38)
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GOPe now arguing Rubio should be Cruz veep.
Why? To get the all important conservative pundit vote?
To get that 1 percent?
Why? To get the all important conservative pundit vote?
To get that 1 percent?
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (Xqs3m)
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Eh. Will believe it when it happens. Rubio has too much pride to do this before Florida. Unless Trump promised him a VP spot.
Posted by: IC at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (F8o5a)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (p4UlV)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (8PbKi)
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I thought the deal he struck with Romney & Co was to hang in through Florida. Bought and paid for.
Pulling out now is too late. Early voting train has left the station.
Marco will need a job. Unqualified for anything, K Street here I come!
Pulling out now is too late. Early voting train has left the station.
Marco will need a job. Unqualified for anything, K Street here I come!
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (r1fLd)
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Not a chance Ace. Bargaining power. The longer he waits the more he can get for them.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced
Maybe. But the longer he waits, the more likely Cruz is going to say, "screw it. We're going to run you (Marco) over."
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced
Maybe. But the longer he waits, the more likely Cruz is going to say, "screw it. We're going to run you (Marco) over."
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Posted by: My Sisters' Brother at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (PV6Mj)
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bummer 
Rubes then is still on the ballot in both states. I don't see how this changinges anything but I am a bit obtuse in these matters.
First problem is that rubes himself hasn't made an announcement.
I'll wait until that happens to form an opinion if this helps Cruz.
Rubes then is still on the ballot in both states. I don't see how this changinges anything but I am a bit obtuse in these matters.
First problem is that rubes himself hasn't made an announcement.
I'll wait until that happens to form an opinion if this helps Cruz.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (WVsWD)
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13 GOPe now arguing Rubio should be Cruz veep.
Why? To get the all important conservative pundit vote?
To get that 1 percent?
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (Xqs3m)
Shill Kristol sez no.
Why? To get the all important conservative pundit vote?
To get that 1 percent?
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (Xqs3m)
Shill Kristol sez no.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:20 PM (p4UlV)
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>>>GOPe now arguing Rubio should be Cruz veep.
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of course they are.
i wouldn't go anywhere near Lindsey Graham if I were Cruz.
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of course they are.
i wouldn't go anywhere near Lindsey Graham if I were Cruz.
Posted by: ace at March 09, 2016 02:20 PM (dciA+)
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I thought I heard Limbaugh say Trump told Rubio he won't even consider him for VP until he drops out.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 09, 2016 02:20 PM (oVJmc)
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Hey everybody!
I have this great new bit on Kaboom cereal!
I have this great new bit on Kaboom cereal!
Posted by: Amy Schumer at March 09, 2016 02:20 PM (zqqpJ)
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Why should he be veep? He brings No One. Gang of Eight is toxic
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:20 PM (Xqs3m)
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Mario is worse than Castro.
Posted by: NotCoach, HotAir Shithead at March 09, 2016 02:20 PM (rsudF)
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Ace, menly men don't pile on dickishes.
However, just because a rumor might come true a day later, doesn't mean that rumor was true the previous day. It was dirty tricks by a Cruz campaigner - it was pretty dumb dirty tricks because it just makes Cruz look bad, no one is going to fall for it again, still it was dirty tricks that help perpetuate the label that was attached to him.
This labeling candidates by Trump has been stunningly effective, I wonder if future campaigns are going to try that tactic.
However, just because a rumor might come true a day later, doesn't mean that rumor was true the previous day. It was dirty tricks by a Cruz campaigner - it was pretty dumb dirty tricks because it just makes Cruz look bad, no one is going to fall for it again, still it was dirty tricks that help perpetuate the label that was attached to him.
This labeling candidates by Trump has been stunningly effective, I wonder if future campaigns are going to try that tactic.
Posted by: doug at March 09, 2016 02:21 PM (Y7fRE)
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>>>Rubes then is still on the ballot in both states. I don't see how this changinges anything but I am a bit obtuse in these matters.
he announces he's dropping out. He urges his voters to vote for X.
What's so hard to understand? Who wants to vote for the guy who just dropped out?
he announces he's dropping out. He urges his voters to vote for X.
What's so hard to understand? Who wants to vote for the guy who just dropped out?
Posted by: ace at March 09, 2016 02:21 PM (dciA+)
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Please, please, please let this dirty, lying post be right.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 09, 2016 02:22 PM (pUDQf)
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Can't you re-boot his CPU or something!?
Turn those machines back on...Get those backup discs in here!
Turn those machines back on...Get those backup discs in here!
Posted by: GOP at March 09, 2016 02:22 PM (440T9)
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I'm not a trump fan but Gasparino has become so Trump deranged I can't even listen to him anymore. He monopolizes every FBN coverage of the primaries. Neil Cavuto and Lou Dobbs all but have to tell him to STFU.
Last night I swear he was popping peanuts in his mouth during their broadcast.
Annnnnd.....all of that has absolutely nothing to do with the post topic except I used the name Gasparino.
Last night I swear he was popping peanuts in his mouth during their broadcast.
Annnnnd.....all of that has absolutely nothing to do with the post topic except I used the name Gasparino.
Posted by: Tami at March 09, 2016 02:23 PM (v0/PR)
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of course they are.
i wouldn't go anywhere near Lindsey Graham if I were Cruz.
Posted by: ace at March 09, 2016 02:20 PM (dciA+)
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VP is irrelevant, and anyone who gets all bent out of shape over it should stick their dicks in a dick straightening device.
IF Mario voters are more likely to support Cruz because Cruz makes him his running mate then it should be considered by Cruz.
i wouldn't go anywhere near Lindsey Graham if I were Cruz.
Posted by: ace at March 09, 2016 02:20 PM (dciA+)
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VP is irrelevant, and anyone who gets all bent out of shape over it should stick their dicks in a dick straightening device.
IF Mario voters are more likely to support Cruz because Cruz makes him his running mate then it should be considered by Cruz.
Posted by: NotCoach, HotAir Shithead at March 09, 2016 02:23 PM (rsudF)
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>>i wouldn't go anywhere near Lindsey Graham if I were Cruz.
Unless he's wearing a Boyscout Uniform, he's safe.
Unless he's wearing a Boyscout Uniform, he's safe.
Posted by: garrett at March 09, 2016 02:23 PM (440T9)
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either way though, once trump gets florida, he has an untouchable lead. He may not get the first vote, but i don't see any way for Cruz to end up leading on delegates.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 09, 2016 02:23 PM (LWu6U)
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Eh. Either way. It would be marginally better if he dropped out before, because I guess, in theory, Ted Cruz could win Florida (though that would be highly doubtful
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Eh, this isnt about Florida anymore. Trump will probably take it and that just cant be helped.
This is about Illinois and Missouri. The former is winner-take-all and the latter is another +50% winner-take-all state. Getting Rubio out of the race is about limiting the damage elsewhere.
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Eh, this isnt about Florida anymore. Trump will probably take it and that just cant be helped.
This is about Illinois and Missouri. The former is winner-take-all and the latter is another +50% winner-take-all state. Getting Rubio out of the race is about limiting the damage elsewhere.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 09, 2016 02:24 PM (jPLSa)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 09, 2016 02:24 PM (pUDQf)
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If he loses Florida, Rubicuomo is finished as a public office holder. As a shill for the party or a propagandist on the MFM or lobbyist, the future is looking good for him.
If he loses Florida, Rubicuomo is finished as a public office holder. As a shill for the party or a propagandist on the MFM or lobbyist, the future is looking good for him.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:24 PM (p4UlV)
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"either way though, once trump gets florida, he has an untouchable lead. "
Im not so sure about that...math is still there.
Im not so sure about that...math is still there.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 02:24 PM (WnCSK)
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"What's so hard to understand? Who wants to vote for the guy who just dropped out?"
Those that so emotionally invested in their chosen one that would never consider voting for someone else?
Those that so emotionally invested in their chosen one that would never consider voting for someone else?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:24 PM (WVsWD)
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Melancholy day.
I feel a bit sad and sorry for Rubio. I don't think he is inherently a bad guy, just chose the wrong side of a huge issue. I don't wish him badly, just gone.
Melancholy day.
I feel a bit sad and sorry for Rubio. I don't think he is inherently a bad guy, just chose the wrong side of a huge issue. I don't wish him badly, just gone.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 02:25 PM (qCMvj)
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>>>GOPe now arguing Rubio should be Cruz veep.
Why? To get the all important conservative pundit vote?
To get that 1 percent?
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (Xqs3m)<<<
He may actually be a drag in Florida if he were on a ticket. He wouldn't be reelected as Senator because he's shown himself to be an untrustworthy snake... no one should want him.
He'll probably be the next Charlie Crist, switching parties to run as governor because he'll have no chance as a Repube.
Why? To get the all important conservative pundit vote?
To get that 1 percent?
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (Xqs3m)<<<
He may actually be a drag in Florida if he were on a ticket. He wouldn't be reelected as Senator because he's shown himself to be an untrustworthy snake... no one should want him.
He'll probably be the next Charlie Crist, switching parties to run as governor because he'll have no chance as a Repube.
Posted by: don't let the door hit ya on the way out, Dondi at March 09, 2016 02:25 PM (H9MG5)
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Wait, some are saying that to get rid of Trump, Rubio needs to go and others (me) are saying he stays for the brokered convention to get rid of him.
So, which is it?
Wait, some are saying that to get rid of Trump, Rubio needs to go and others (me) are saying he stays for the brokered convention to get rid of him.
So, which is it?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:25 PM (p4UlV)
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problem @marcorubio has is his donors are realists (unlike campaign staff) they see no path to victory right now it cld change but unlikely
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How it works, though. Campaign staff are supposed to be optimists or GTFO
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How it works, though. Campaign staff are supposed to be optimists or GTFO
Posted by: Bigby's Chinese Finger Trap at March 09, 2016 02:25 PM (3ZtZW)
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But where do Marco voters go? Isn't Kasich their next choice?
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 02:26 PM (WnCSK)
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Those that so emotionally invested in their chosen one that would never consider voting for someone else?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:24 PM (WVsWD)
Reminds me of someone.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:24 PM (WVsWD)
Reminds me of someone.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 09, 2016 02:26 PM (pUDQf)
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20 bummer
Rubes then is still on the ballot in both states.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (WVsWD)
I didn't know until yesterday when I voted in the Michigan primary, but apparently it doesn't matter who drops out when it comes to the ballot.
There were about 14 individuals and a "no commitment" box on the republican ticket.
Rubes then is still on the ballot in both states.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (WVsWD)
I didn't know until yesterday when I voted in the Michigan primary, but apparently it doesn't matter who drops out when it comes to the ballot.
There were about 14 individuals and a "no commitment" box on the republican ticket.
Posted by: jwest at March 09, 2016 02:26 PM (Zs4uk)
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Melancholy day.
I feel a bit sad and sorry for Rubio. I don't think he is inherently a bad guy, just chose the wrong side of a huge issue. I don't wish him badly, just gone.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 02:25 PM (qCMvj)
The issue affects the nature of our society as well as the prosperity and livelihoods of legitimate citizens. Being on the wrong side of this one I'm afraid speaks volumes about his character and nature.
Melancholy day.
I feel a bit sad and sorry for Rubio. I don't think he is inherently a bad guy, just chose the wrong side of a huge issue. I don't wish him badly, just gone.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 02:25 PM (qCMvj)
The issue affects the nature of our society as well as the prosperity and livelihoods of legitimate citizens. Being on the wrong side of this one I'm afraid speaks volumes about his character and nature.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (p4UlV)
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Reminds me of someone.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 09, 2016 02:26 PM (pUDQf)
Like who? Me? I have consistently stated that if Cruz gets the nom I will vote for him.
Will you do the reverse?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 09, 2016 02:26 PM (pUDQf)
Like who? Me? I have consistently stated that if Cruz gets the nom I will vote for him.
Will you do the reverse?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (WVsWD)
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Wait, some are saying that to get rid of Trump, Rubio needs to go and others (me) are saying he stays for the brokered convention to get rid of him.
So, which is it?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:25 PM (p4UlV)
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Cruz starts rolling with Mario and Mary Kaysiche out of the race. Mario dropping helps Cruz more.
Wait, some are saying that to get rid of Trump, Rubio needs to go and others (me) are saying he stays for the brokered convention to get rid of him.
So, which is it?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:25 PM (p4UlV)
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Cruz starts rolling with Mario and Mary Kaysiche out of the race. Mario dropping helps Cruz more.
Posted by: NotCoach, HotAir Shithead at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (rsudF)
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Rubio should assign all his delegates to Cruz to put him into the lead.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (so+oy)
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This contest was over after Nevada, Trump is going to be the nominee.
Despite all that's coming out in the last few debates that makes it clear Trump will be absolutely destroyed by Hillary, Trump continues to rack up primary victories all because he called Mexico a bunch of rapists.
We're just going to have to get this out of our system.
Despite all that's coming out in the last few debates that makes it clear Trump will be absolutely destroyed by Hillary, Trump continues to rack up primary victories all because he called Mexico a bunch of rapists.
We're just going to have to get this out of our system.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:28 PM (R6NO9)
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50
Rubio should assign all his delegates to Cruz to put him into the lead.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (so+oy)
He can do that, can't he? Tell his delegates to vote Cruz? It worked on House of Cards.
Rubio should assign all his delegates to Cruz to put him into the lead.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (so+oy)
He can do that, can't he? Tell his delegates to vote Cruz? It worked on House of Cards.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 09, 2016 02:28 PM (pUDQf)
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Wait, some are saying that to get rid of Trump, Rubio needs to go and others (me) are saying he stays for the brokered convention to get rid of him.
So, which is it?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:25 PM (p4UlV)
.............
It depends if you believe, like me, that Trump has a ceiling.. If so, the one other candidates gets what is left.
So, which is it?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:25 PM (p4UlV)
.............
It depends if you believe, like me, that Trump has a ceiling.. If so, the one other candidates gets what is left.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:29 PM (so+oy)
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Rubio should assign all his delegates to Cruz to put him into the lead.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (so+oy)
Do delegates have to abide by that or are they free to pick their own candidate if their candidate drops out?
Rubio should assign all his delegates to Cruz to put him into the lead.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (so+oy)
Do delegates have to abide by that or are they free to pick their own candidate if their candidate drops out?
Posted by: Tami at March 09, 2016 02:29 PM (v0/PR)
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>>>Rubio should assign all his delegates to Cruz to put him into the lead.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (so+oy)<<<
Can't reassign them. It's not like he's a Wachowski Bro.
>>>Rubio should assign all his delegates to Cruz to put him into the lead.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (so+oy)<<<
Can't reassign them. It's not like he's a Wachowski Bro.
Posted by: GOP Primary Delegate Rules at March 09, 2016 02:29 PM (H9MG5)
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50 Rubio should assign all his delegates to Cruz to put him into the lead.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (so+oy)
If that happens, it will be interesting to see the reactions of the MFM and GOP-e shills who will be forced to swallow hard and sing Cruz's praises - to the extent that they can because they LOATHE him.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (so+oy)
If that happens, it will be interesting to see the reactions of the MFM and GOP-e shills who will be forced to swallow hard and sing Cruz's praises - to the extent that they can because they LOATHE him.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:29 PM (p4UlV)
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Marco will need a job. Unqualified for anything, K Street here I come!Posted by: Ignoramus at March 09, 2016 02:19 PM (r1fLd)
I'm a mer-MAN, not a mermaid: a mer-MAN, damn it.
I'm a mer-MAN, not a mermaid: a mer-MAN, damn it.
Posted by: Marco Rubio, Star of Florida's Famous Weekiwatchee Mermaid Show at March 09, 2016 02:29 PM (UWlp+)
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Rubio already has enough early votes that he is guaranteed to be at 6-7% even if he drops. Not that it matters, you have to live in a fairy tale full of dickeshes if you think Trump won't win there.
Posted by: doug at March 09, 2016 02:30 PM (Y7fRE)
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Can't reassign them. It's not like he's a Wachowski Bro.
Posted by: GOP Primary Delegate Rules at March 09, 2016 02:29 PM (H9MG5)
He can't but he can ask them to support someone else. They don't have to listen.
Posted by: GOP Primary Delegate Rules at March 09, 2016 02:29 PM (H9MG5)
He can't but he can ask them to support someone else. They don't have to listen.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 09, 2016 02:30 PM (pUDQf)
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Clarification. This isn't about the delegates Rubio's won. Those are his, and I don't think he can pledge them to someone else or barter them away. (Not sure.)
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Ace -- this is something I've been trying to figure out for a while as well. Cook has a good piece about this on his site -- they are essentially free once their candidate drops out. They can follow the endorsement, or not. I found one other article that said about the same.
Given the state of things, it's probably safe to assume none are interested in enrolling in Trump University.
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Ace -- this is something I've been trying to figure out for a while as well. Cook has a good piece about this on his site -- they are essentially free once their candidate drops out. They can follow the endorsement, or not. I found one other article that said about the same.
Given the state of things, it's probably safe to assume none are interested in enrolling in Trump University.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 02:30 PM (74ZYB)
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So Rubio gets out and gives trump FL.? How's that winning?
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:30 PM (/dSsq)
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Out of curiosity, what are the battleground states that Cruz would win against Hillary to cinch the election? FL? OH? VA? NC? Which of these do folks see actually breaking for Cruz? Does he put any other states into play?
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at March 09, 2016 02:31 PM (TFWFz)
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My friendsh, you DO NOT want wackobird Cruz in the Whitehouse. You have everything to fear.
Posted by: John McCain at March 09, 2016 02:31 PM (OZmbA)
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Yeeedoggies! This Cruz thing might really happen. I hope Rubio has the decency and good sense to endorse Cruz, or it looks to be pResident hillary. Courage, America, the darkest hour is before the red dawn.
Posted by: Eromero at March 09, 2016 02:31 PM (zLDYs)
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I don't mean to pile on with the dickishness in a bad time,
I don't understand those words in that order.
I don't understand those words in that order.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 02:31 PM (mf5HN)
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Kasich...the Akin of 2016. And he will be despised even more so if he remains in this race. What a prick.
Posted by: Cashin at March 09, 2016 02:31 PM (X2Wkv)
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I don't see a Cruz/Rubio ticket in the same way I don't see a Hillary/Pocahontas ticket. Two Latins? Two womyns?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 09, 2016 02:31 PM (fs6Bg)
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51 This contest was over after Nevada, Trump is going to be the nominee.
Despite all that's coming out in the last few debates that makes it clear Trump will be absolutely destroyed by Hillary, Trump continues to rack up primary victories all because he called Mexico a bunch of rapists.
We're just going to have to get this out of our system.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:28 PM (R6NO9)
I know I have harped on Trump's horrible and historically low unfavorability rating. That said, Republican turnout has been record breaking while Democrat turnout for Stalin and Marx has been limp at best.
Does that really change in the general against Trump?
Despite all that's coming out in the last few debates that makes it clear Trump will be absolutely destroyed by Hillary, Trump continues to rack up primary victories all because he called Mexico a bunch of rapists.
We're just going to have to get this out of our system.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:28 PM (R6NO9)
I know I have harped on Trump's horrible and historically low unfavorability rating. That said, Republican turnout has been record breaking while Democrat turnout for Stalin and Marx has been limp at best.
Does that really change in the general against Trump?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:31 PM (p4UlV)
69
We're just going to have to get this out of our system.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:28 PM (R6NO9)
If by 'get this out of our system' you mean set up the conditions for another civil war, then sure, we'll be getting it out of our system in a big way.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:28 PM (R6NO9)
If by 'get this out of our system' you mean set up the conditions for another civil war, then sure, we'll be getting it out of our system in a big way.
Posted by: troyriser at March 09, 2016 02:32 PM (UWlp+)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 02:32 PM (LA7Cm)
71
56 They wont and they will secretly(not so secretly ) root for Hillary in the election.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 02:32 PM (B48dK)
72
63 My friendsh, you DO NOT want wackobird Cruz in the Whitehouse. You have everything to fear.
Posted by: John McCain at March 09, 2016 02:31 PM (OZmbA)
That'sh Cruzh, not Cruz.
Posted by: John McCain at March 09, 2016 02:31 PM (OZmbA)
That'sh Cruzh, not Cruz.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:33 PM (p4UlV)
73
Win or lose, Trump has pretty much ruined the careers/reputations of Rubio and Romney, and maybe Kasich--unless Kasich lands as Trump's Veep.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 09, 2016 02:33 PM (fs6Bg)
74
Rubio has too much pride to do this before Florida.
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Well he aint gonna have ANY pride after he gets wiped in his own state.
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Well he aint gonna have ANY pride after he gets wiped in his own state.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 02:33 PM (8XRCm)
75
Are You sure Rubio voters will be Cruz voters?
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (/dSsq)
76
Well, regardless of Florida, Cruz would essentially win a big state too. The state of Rubio.
458 - Ted
359- Cruz
151 - Rubio
458 - Ted
359- Cruz
151 - Rubio
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (pUDQf)
77
off topic, quote of the day from Thomas Sowell, who doesn't like Trump:
Historians of the future, when they look back on our times, may be completely baffled when trying to understand how Western civilization welcomed vast numbers of people hostile to the fundamental values of Western civilization, people who had been taught that they have a right to kill those who do not share their beliefs.
Historians of the future, when they look back on our times, may be completely baffled when trying to understand how Western civilization welcomed vast numbers of people hostile to the fundamental values of Western civilization, people who had been taught that they have a right to kill those who do not share their beliefs.
Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (qSIlh)
78
We should start a movement to turn the Washington Monument into a giant fork, cause this country is done.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (LWu6U)
79
"Out of curiosity, what are the battleground states that Cruz would win against Hillary to cinch the election? FL? OH? VA? NC?"
Answer, none. Maybe FL because of Cubano solidarity, but even there probably not. It'd be the Romney map at best.
Answer, none. Maybe FL because of Cubano solidarity, but even there probably not. It'd be the Romney map at best.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (r1fLd)
80
"Marco will need a job. Unqualified for anything, K Street here I come!"
Dude, so fast it'll make your head spin.
Dude, so fast it'll make your head spin.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (LA7Cm)
81
75
Are You sure Rubio voters will be Cruz voters?
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (/dSsq)
Well, I'm positive they aren't Trump voters. So it's really sit at home, vote for the guy who's not in the race, or Cruz.
Are You sure Rubio voters will be Cruz voters?
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (/dSsq)
Well, I'm positive they aren't Trump voters. So it's really sit at home, vote for the guy who's not in the race, or Cruz.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (pUDQf)
82
What is it about GOP primary voters that they consistently pick nominees who are inherently going to have trouble in the general?
2008. The country is absolutely nauseously sick of war after Bush's blundering, and there's a powerful isolationist sentiment brewing to bring the boys home. GOP primary voters pick ultrahawk John McCain, who wants to not only stick out the two ongoing wars, but to start a couple of new ones. He loses the general.
2012. The pivotal issue is Obamacare. GOP primary voters pick Mitt Romney, who is unable to plausibly criticize Obamacare due to his having enacted the Obamacare prototype into law. He loses the general.
2016. The goal is to stop Hillary. GOP primary voters pick a guy who invited the Clintons _to his wedding_, who wrote the Clintons a bunch of fat checks, and who will now look utterly ridiculous and hypocritical if he denounces Hillary in strong terms.
2008. The country is absolutely nauseously sick of war after Bush's blundering, and there's a powerful isolationist sentiment brewing to bring the boys home. GOP primary voters pick ultrahawk John McCain, who wants to not only stick out the two ongoing wars, but to start a couple of new ones. He loses the general.
2012. The pivotal issue is Obamacare. GOP primary voters pick Mitt Romney, who is unable to plausibly criticize Obamacare due to his having enacted the Obamacare prototype into law. He loses the general.
2016. The goal is to stop Hillary. GOP primary voters pick a guy who invited the Clintons _to his wedding_, who wrote the Clintons a bunch of fat checks, and who will now look utterly ridiculous and hypocritical if he denounces Hillary in strong terms.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (noWW6)
83
75 Are You sure Rubio voters will be Cruz voters?
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (/dSsq)
No way to tell. There was a blood feud between Trump and Rubio but then again before that it was Rubio and Cruz.
Meh.
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (/dSsq)
No way to tell. There was a blood feud between Trump and Rubio but then again before that it was Rubio and Cruz.
Meh.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (p4UlV)
84
To be honest at this point who gives a rat's ass what rubio says. He is already yesterday's news.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 02:35 PM (DUoqb)
85
>>>Rubio should assign all his delegates to Cruz to put him into the lead.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (so+oy)
Can't reassign them. It's not like he's a Wachowski Bro.
Posted by: GOP Primary Delegate Rules at March 09, 2016 02:29 PM (H9MG5)
Given that the establishment has set the precedent of claiming moral justification for opposing Trump and withdrawing votes (or votes) from him in a general election, if Trump has won the most delegates going into the convention and is not the candidate, enough Trump supporters will claim the same moral high ground and withdraw votes for all Republicans including downticket races.
Assuming just 20-25% of the R's and R-reliable Indies do that, it's an electoral disaster of epic proportions. Now that the establishment has started this game of chicken don't expect it to end well.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:27 PM (so+oy)
Can't reassign them. It's not like he's a Wachowski Bro.
Posted by: GOP Primary Delegate Rules at March 09, 2016 02:29 PM (H9MG5)
Given that the establishment has set the precedent of claiming moral justification for opposing Trump and withdrawing votes (or votes) from him in a general election, if Trump has won the most delegates going into the convention and is not the candidate, enough Trump supporters will claim the same moral high ground and withdraw votes for all Republicans including downticket races.
Assuming just 20-25% of the R's and R-reliable Indies do that, it's an electoral disaster of epic proportions. Now that the establishment has started this game of chicken don't expect it to end well.
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at March 09, 2016 02:35 PM (TFWFz)
86
It depends if you believe, like me, that Trump has a ceiling..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:29 PM (so+oy)
I can't see Trump taking either Rhode Island or Delaware in he general, so yes, Trump has a ceiling.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 09, 2016 02:29 PM (so+oy)
I can't see Trump taking either Rhode Island or Delaware in he general, so yes, Trump has a ceiling.
Posted by: jwest at March 09, 2016 02:35 PM (Zs4uk)
87
Prediction.
With Rubio out.... the GOPe will throw the full weight of its resources and authority behind.....
....Kasich.
Prediction.
With Rubio out.... the GOPe will throw the full weight of its resources and authority behind.....
....Kasich.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 02:35 PM (8XRCm)
88
#4 Totally Agree.
Dondi is interviewing for a job and/or a deal-- the biggest deal(cash haul) he can get. There is more than a little Scankles lust-for-green DNA in the Cuban Jesus.
Dondi is interviewing for a job and/or a deal-- the biggest deal(cash haul) he can get. There is more than a little Scankles lust-for-green DNA in the Cuban Jesus.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at March 09, 2016 02:35 PM (3ZttN)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:36 PM (p4UlV)
90
Ace, if he drops out now he can still help Cruz in other states. Yes, Florida won't change (it's lost no matter what). But him dropping out could help push Cruz into a victory in places like Missouri and North Carolina.
Posted by: Rich at March 09, 2016 02:36 PM (MIdlN)
91
Morons.
Rubio winning FL is in Cruz's best interest. I never understood Cruz-world's push with trying to get him.
If Rubio loses, there is no mathematical way for Cruz to win. None.
I live in FL. I breath FL politics. Trust me. Cruz does not win FL even if Rubio drops out and enthusiastically endorses Cruz.
Cruz is shot himself in the foot with a shotgun in how he managed FL.
Rubio winning FL is in Cruz's best interest. I never understood Cruz-world's push with trying to get him.
If Rubio loses, there is no mathematical way for Cruz to win. None.
I live in FL. I breath FL politics. Trust me. Cruz does not win FL even if Rubio drops out and enthusiastically endorses Cruz.
Cruz is shot himself in the foot with a shotgun in how he managed FL.
Posted by: ASSHATS at March 09, 2016 02:36 PM (za+TG)
92
BTW kudos to Rubio if this report is true. He is truly TOFTT here.
He ran a pretty clean campaign, but this wasn't his year with the Gang of Eight thing hanging around his neck plus the outsider mood. I would be open to supporting him next time around. He's still a great story.
The double Cuban ticket would be something, if it gets that far.
He ran a pretty clean campaign, but this wasn't his year with the Gang of Eight thing hanging around his neck plus the outsider mood. I would be open to supporting him next time around. He's still a great story.
The double Cuban ticket would be something, if it gets that far.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 02:36 PM (74ZYB)
93
As much as people"dislike" Rubio here He still has high positive ratings for some reason.... Maybe Trump/ Rubio would be the way for trump to go....
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:37 PM (/dSsq)
94
I can't see Trump taking either Rhode Island or Delaware in he general, so yes, Trump has a ceiling.
I think you're underestimating RI here.
Delaware still sucks tho.
I can't see Trump taking either Rhode Island or Delaware in he general, so yes, Trump has a ceiling.
I think you're underestimating RI here.
Delaware still sucks tho.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 09, 2016 02:37 PM (TLX//)
95
"Marco will need a job. Unqualified for anything, K Street here I come!">>>
Fox news on air political consultant.
Fox news on air political consultant.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 09, 2016 02:37 PM (XtAzU)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 09, 2016 02:37 PM (p6cXT)
97
re 87: or maybe !beJ
Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 09, 2016 02:37 PM (qSIlh)
98
Republican delegates are bound/pledged to their guy for the first floor vote, then it's whatever.
So anyone who dropped out (technically, yeah, suspended to pay bills etc.) can still get delegates. Usually not a big deal, except that A) those delegates (obviously) don't go to someone else, and B) early voting skews things.
Aside: Jeb Bush may well pick up delegates in Illinois ballots, because IL, being Different, have names of actual people [electors] and who they're for. Most have zero name recognition and one would have to see who he's pledged to/for, but Adam Kinzinger is for Bush, so people will probably see (Kinzinger's) name and vote for him, not realizing or caring that it's technically a Bush vote.)
Democrat candidates, IIRC, can (and do) release their delegates after they drop out, though I don't know how much of that is a convention thing/formality and how much is mercenary wheeling and dealing-based. It was kind of a big deal when Edwards released his delegates.
So anyone who dropped out (technically, yeah, suspended to pay bills etc.) can still get delegates. Usually not a big deal, except that A) those delegates (obviously) don't go to someone else, and B) early voting skews things.
Aside: Jeb Bush may well pick up delegates in Illinois ballots, because IL, being Different, have names of actual people [electors] and who they're for. Most have zero name recognition and one would have to see who he's pledged to/for, but Adam Kinzinger is for Bush, so people will probably see (Kinzinger's) name and vote for him, not realizing or caring that it's technically a Bush vote.)
Democrat candidates, IIRC, can (and do) release their delegates after they drop out, though I don't know how much of that is a convention thing/formality and how much is mercenary wheeling and dealing-based. It was kind of a big deal when Edwards released his delegates.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 09, 2016 02:37 PM (u0s1P)
99
I can just see the debates between Hillary and Trump. If Trump goes after her too hard--and he will-- the media will say, "Oh, Trump was so mean to her!"-- followed by a panel discussion of the "optics" and how it looked to the women voter.....
Posted by: JoeF. at March 09, 2016 02:37 PM (fs6Bg)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 09, 2016 02:38 PM (LWu6U)
101
The Prosecutor I spoke with in court yesterday LOOOOVED my idea of us
Cruz guys voting for Trump if Rubio is running a close-ish 2d here in
FL. Time for him to GET OUT! #MarcoItsTime
We just want to put that little sweaty turncoat out of our misery.
Cruz guys voting for Trump if Rubio is running a close-ish 2d here in
FL. Time for him to GET OUT! #MarcoItsTime
We just want to put that little sweaty turncoat out of our misery.
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 09, 2016 02:38 PM (rlTqJ)
102
But where do Marco voters go? Isn't Kasich their next choice?
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 02:26 PM (WnCSK)
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My mom is for Rubio. She said her second pick would be Kasich. Don't look at me - I didn't raise her.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 02:26 PM (WnCSK)
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My mom is for Rubio. She said her second pick would be Kasich. Don't look at me - I didn't raise her.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 02:38 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 02:38 PM (8XRCm)
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What is it about GOP primary voters that they consistently pick nominees who are inherently going to have trouble in the general?
Posted by: torquewrench at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (noWW6)
It's a gift. And a curse.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 09, 2016 02:34 PM (noWW6)
It's a gift. And a curse.
Posted by: AdrianM at March 09, 2016 02:38 PM (3TKkF)
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flighty, cowardly egomaniac John Kasich into a win in Ohio.
Why so salty, Ace? Kasich thinks, and not without reason, that a win in Ohio will make him the establishment candidate that had zero establishment support until now. At which point he'll start draining off the money and support that might otherwise have gone to-
Ohhh, I get it now. Yeah. But c'mon, Kasich has his own agenda, and he's not gonna lie down just to maybe help Ted Cruz get his first victory in an open primary outside Texas.
Why so salty, Ace? Kasich thinks, and not without reason, that a win in Ohio will make him the establishment candidate that had zero establishment support until now. At which point he'll start draining off the money and support that might otherwise have gone to-
Ohhh, I get it now. Yeah. But c'mon, Kasich has his own agenda, and he's not gonna lie down just to maybe help Ted Cruz get his first victory in an open primary outside Texas.
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 02:38 PM (MEHba)
106
91 Cruz is shot himself in the foot with a shotgun in how he managed FL.
Posted by: ASSHATS at March 09, 2016 02:36 PM (za+TG)
How so? Not being combative. Just curious.
Posted by: ASSHATS at March 09, 2016 02:36 PM (za+TG)
How so? Not being combative. Just curious.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:38 PM (p4UlV)
107
"My mom is for Rubio. She said her second pick would be Kasich"
That seems to make the most sense...establishment types and all.
That seems to make the most sense...establishment types and all.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 02:39 PM (WnCSK)
108
My mom is for Rubio. She said her second pick would be Kasich. Don't look at me - I didn't raise her.
Same around here....
Same around here....
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:39 PM (/dSsq)
109
>>>Will hillary's first supreme court pick be M to F trans, or F to M?
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 09, 2016 02:38 PM (LWu6U)
***
Her campaign slogan is "Hate and Castrate". You decide.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 09, 2016 02:38 PM (LWu6U)
***
Her campaign slogan is "Hate and Castrate". You decide.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 09, 2016 02:39 PM (bpn7O)
110
I know I have harped on Trump's horrible and historically low unfavorability rating. That said, Republican turnout has been record breaking while Democrat turnout for Stalin and Marx has been limp at best.
Does that really change in the general against Trump?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
But these are rounding errors in total voters on election day.
Sure, I will completely concede Trump has brought in some new voters in the primary, but usually these are in bright red states that were comfortably going Republican anyway.
The idea that 50k more Republican voters entering a primary means he can make up a 10 point General Election deficit is fuzzy math.
Also, if 60% of Republicans according to Exit polls absolutely want anybody but Trump, you have to concede that some of these Republicans are simply not going to show up on Election Day.
Trump supporters only look at one side of the ledger and conclude a landslide against Hillary.
Does that really change in the general against Trump?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
But these are rounding errors in total voters on election day.
Sure, I will completely concede Trump has brought in some new voters in the primary, but usually these are in bright red states that were comfortably going Republican anyway.
The idea that 50k more Republican voters entering a primary means he can make up a 10 point General Election deficit is fuzzy math.
Also, if 60% of Republicans according to Exit polls absolutely want anybody but Trump, you have to concede that some of these Republicans are simply not going to show up on Election Day.
Trump supporters only look at one side of the ledger and conclude a landslide against Hillary.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:39 PM (R6NO9)
111
or from Lord Byron:
Where may the wearied eye repose
When gazing on the Great;
Where neither guilty glory glows,
Nor despicable state?
Yes - one - the first - the last - the best -
The Cincinnatus of the West,
Whom envy dared not hate,
Bequeath'd the name of Rom-en-ney,
To make man blush there was but one!
Where may the wearied eye repose
When gazing on the Great;
Where neither guilty glory glows,
Nor despicable state?
Yes - one - the first - the last - the best -
The Cincinnatus of the West,
Whom envy dared not hate,
Bequeath'd the name of Rom-en-ney,
To make man blush there was but one!
Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 09, 2016 02:39 PM (qSIlh)
112
So Rubio gets out and gives trump FL.? How's that winning?
Common core math. Same as second place is the new first place.
Common core math. Same as second place is the new first place.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 09, 2016 02:40 PM (kDUUX)
Posted by: The Wachowski Sisters at March 09, 2016 02:40 PM (XkVXQ)
114
If Rubio loses, there is no mathematical way for Cruz to win. None.
Posted by: ASSHATS at March 09, 2016 02:36 PM (za+TG)
Google GOP wiki pimary, first result, scroll down to the number of delegates, count the ones outside Florida, spot Cruz a 50 delegate lead with the dropouts... very doable. Cruz could even lose almost half the remaining states and win.
Not a slam dunk, Donald might get to 55% or even 60% and win a two-man race, but its doable.
Posted by: ASSHATS at March 09, 2016 02:36 PM (za+TG)
Google GOP wiki pimary, first result, scroll down to the number of delegates, count the ones outside Florida, spot Cruz a 50 delegate lead with the dropouts... very doable. Cruz could even lose almost half the remaining states and win.
Not a slam dunk, Donald might get to 55% or even 60% and win a two-man race, but its doable.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 02:40 PM (74ZYB)
Posted by: Harun at March 09, 2016 02:40 PM (UBBWX)
116
So Rubio gets out and gives trump FL.? How's that winning?
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:30 PM (/dSsq)
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The other states at stake on the 15th make up 259 delegates and except for NC, all are some sort of winner-take-all. The Florida fixation is stupid. If Trump won Florida, Kasich Ohio and Cruz rolled the rest of the states it would be a big night for Cruz.
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:30 PM (/dSsq)
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The other states at stake on the 15th make up 259 delegates and except for NC, all are some sort of winner-take-all. The Florida fixation is stupid. If Trump won Florida, Kasich Ohio and Cruz rolled the rest of the states it would be a big night for Cruz.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 09, 2016 02:41 PM (jPLSa)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 09, 2016 02:41 PM (XtAzU)
118
Win or lose, Trump has pretty much ruined the careers/reputations of Rubio and Romney, and maybe Kasich--unless Kasich lands as Trump's Veep.
***
No. They did that themselves.
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No. They did that themselves.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 09, 2016 02:41 PM (8PbKi)
119
110 Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:39 PM (R6NO9)
So, Donald Trump is the new Mitt Romney?
So, Donald Trump is the new Mitt Romney?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:41 PM (p4UlV)
120
Also, if 60% of Republicans according to Exit polls absolutely want anybody but Trump,
If they want anybody but Trump, how is it that Trump is winning?
If they want anybody but Trump, how is it that Trump is winning?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 09, 2016 02:42 PM (kDUUX)
121
Also, this probably isn't enough. Kasich needs to drop out too.
If Kasich stays in, Trump probably wins.
If Kasich stays in, Trump probably wins.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 02:42 PM (74ZYB)
122
So, Donald Trump is the new Mitt Romney?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:41 PM (p
With bad hair...
So, Donald Trump is the new Mitt Romney?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:41 PM (p
With bad hair...
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:42 PM (/dSsq)
123
"Also, if 60% of Republicans according to Exit polls absolutely want anybody but Trump,"
Its primary season...after the candidate is finally chosen it all shifts. Voters coalesce around the nominee going into the general. Agree that many will not come over to Trump but 60% is highly unlikely.
Its primary season...after the candidate is finally chosen it all shifts. Voters coalesce around the nominee going into the general. Agree that many will not come over to Trump but 60% is highly unlikely.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 02:42 PM (WnCSK)
124
100 My only question is:
Will hillary's first supreme court pick be M to F trans, or F to M?
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 09, 2016 02:38 PM (LWu6U)
Depends on how Xe feels that day. Much like Kennedy.
Will hillary's first supreme court pick be M to F trans, or F to M?
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 09, 2016 02:38 PM (LWu6U)
Depends on how Xe feels that day. Much like Kennedy.
Posted by: joncelli at March 09, 2016 02:42 PM (RD7QR)
125
New poll shows me with overwhelming support in the android demographic!
Posted by: R3BIO at March 09, 2016 02:42 PM (ml1PM)
126
Also, this probably isn't enough. Kasich needs to drop out too.
Not if kasich takes Ohio... Otherwise it will be a Trump Juggernaut....
Not if kasich takes Ohio... Otherwise it will be a Trump Juggernaut....
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:43 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:43 PM (p4UlV)
128
Morons.
Rubio winning FL is in Cruz's best interest. I never understood Cruz-world's push with trying to get him.
If Rubio loses, there is no mathematical way for Cruz to win. None.
I live in FL. I breath FL politics. Trust me. Cruz does not win FL even if Rubio drops out and enthusiastically endorses Cruz.
Cruz is shot himself in the foot with a shotgun in how he managed FL.
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This analysis is now stale. When Rubio actually had an above zero chance to win Florida, this made sense. But now that he can't get delegates in multiple states...his support has absolutely fallen out. There's no way he goes from 5% in Mississippi and 10% in Michigan and 15% in Idaho to a win in Florida. That dream is DEAD.
So now, with the mindset that Florida is a guaranteed Trump win no matter what, it's best for Cruz to just put Rubio out of his misery. There are other states on Super Tuesday outside of Florida.
Rubio winning FL is in Cruz's best interest. I never understood Cruz-world's push with trying to get him.
If Rubio loses, there is no mathematical way for Cruz to win. None.
I live in FL. I breath FL politics. Trust me. Cruz does not win FL even if Rubio drops out and enthusiastically endorses Cruz.
Cruz is shot himself in the foot with a shotgun in how he managed FL.
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This analysis is now stale. When Rubio actually had an above zero chance to win Florida, this made sense. But now that he can't get delegates in multiple states...his support has absolutely fallen out. There's no way he goes from 5% in Mississippi and 10% in Michigan and 15% in Idaho to a win in Florida. That dream is DEAD.
So now, with the mindset that Florida is a guaranteed Trump win no matter what, it's best for Cruz to just put Rubio out of his misery. There are other states on Super Tuesday outside of Florida.
Posted by: Rich at March 09, 2016 02:43 PM (MIdlN)
129
About bloody time!
Posted by: lofprof at March 09, 2016 02:43 PM (nbBRC)
130
Here's what the pro-Cruz people haven't thought through...
The GOPe doesn't hate Trump. They're afraid of him, they don't want him in the lead, they want him out of the race, but they don't hate him.
They need to take him out by whatever method works.
But if this were to lead to Ted Cruz being the nominee, they wouldn't do it.
Because they hate Cruz with the white hot heat of a thousand suns. They want to use Cruz to bring the convention to a second ballot, but no one - No One - in the GOPe has any intention of letting Cruz be the anointed nominee.
Anyone who thinks so hasn't been paying attention.
The Establishment GOP will turn on Cruz the second he prevents Trump (if he can) from winning outright.
The GOPe doesn't hate Trump. They're afraid of him, they don't want him in the lead, they want him out of the race, but they don't hate him.
They need to take him out by whatever method works.
But if this were to lead to Ted Cruz being the nominee, they wouldn't do it.
Because they hate Cruz with the white hot heat of a thousand suns. They want to use Cruz to bring the convention to a second ballot, but no one - No One - in the GOPe has any intention of letting Cruz be the anointed nominee.
Anyone who thinks so hasn't been paying attention.
The Establishment GOP will turn on Cruz the second he prevents Trump (if he can) from winning outright.
Posted by: jwest at March 09, 2016 02:43 PM (Zs4uk)
131
So, Donald Trump is the new Mitt Romney?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
My honest prediction?
Mitt Romney in 2012 will outperform Trump in 2016.
That doesn't mean I like Romney, but that's what i see happening.
And my guess the day after the election Drudge will still headline some online showing Trump winning.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
My honest prediction?
Mitt Romney in 2012 will outperform Trump in 2016.
That doesn't mean I like Romney, but that's what i see happening.
And my guess the day after the election Drudge will still headline some online showing Trump winning.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:44 PM (R6NO9)
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122 With bad hair...
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:42 PM (/dSsq)
Shower drain detritus from an electrolysis salon.
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:42 PM (/dSsq)
Shower drain detritus from an electrolysis salon.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:44 PM (p4UlV)
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Meh. I'll believe it when I see it.
For now, these claims are outweighed by Rubio's 3rd- 5th place victory speeches.
He has nothing to lose by staying in. His K Street and talking head jobs are completely secure and, regardless of what the electorate has said, he's still the GOP/ DC choice (since when have any of them listened to the electorate?).
For now, these claims are outweighed by Rubio's 3rd- 5th place victory speeches.
He has nothing to lose by staying in. His K Street and talking head jobs are completely secure and, regardless of what the electorate has said, he's still the GOP/ DC choice (since when have any of them listened to the electorate?).
Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2016 02:44 PM (XItbt)
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How about everyone but Trump drop out and end this now?
Let's all unite behind Trump now for an united front against the Democrats.
End the petty squabbles before anymore damage is done.
Let's all unite behind Trump now for an united front against the Democrats.
End the petty squabbles before anymore damage is done.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 02:44 PM (LXJ1e)
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re 119: no, Trump doesn't hesitate to slam people when it gets him a point, even if he might need to later walk it back. If Hillery is indicted, Romney would be among the first to admit that she hadn't actually been convicted yet. After all, a good prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sammich, and look at the size of her thighs.
Posted by: mallfly suPreme at March 09, 2016 02:44 PM (qSIlh)
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JJ Sefton @ 47 melancholy day?
Me too, but not for Rubio. That 8" of rain last night washed away about 4K worth of our garden work. And calling for same-same big time through Saturday here in ETEX. Mrs. E is bout to cry or fixin to get drunk
Me too, but not for Rubio. That 8" of rain last night washed away about 4K worth of our garden work. And calling for same-same big time through Saturday here in ETEX. Mrs. E is bout to cry or fixin to get drunk
Posted by: Eromero at March 09, 2016 02:45 PM (zLDYs)
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Taylor Force dedicated his life to the struggle against terrorism, but sadly fell victim to it during Tuesdays murderous stabbing attack in Jaffa.
The 28-year-old Lubbock, Texas native and US Army veteran had served in both Iraq and Afghanistan, where fellow soldiers described him as a role model and father figure.
Despite his tours of duty in harms way, Force returned to the US unscathed. He was stationed at Fort Hood, in Texas, during two massacres, including the 2009 Fort Hood terror attack perpetrated by Nidal Hassan.
Force was a West Point graduate and served as a Field Artillery Officer.
Friend and soldier David Campos-Contreras was stunned by the news, and noted bitter irony.
When we were in Afghanistan we fought against terror. We would see the victims of a Taliban attack, and now hes become a victim of terror, said Campos-Contreras.
Force was a leader and role model for everyone around him, Campos-Contreras told Walla News.
He was a father figure, an older brother whos never wrong, ever, he said. He fought in Iraq and Afghanistan and survived, then came to Israel and was killed. I cant stop thinking about it, he said, its strange.
Contrary to initial media reports which claimed Forces wife was injured in the attack, he was not married.
After completing his service with the US Army, Force enrolled in an MBA program in Vanderbilt University.
Force, who was not Jewish, traveled to Israel as part of his studies to expand his understanding of global entrepreneurship and also to share his insights and knowledge with start-ups in Israel, read a statement by Vanderbilt University Chancellor Nicholas Zeppos.
And biden is still going to meet with abbas who praised the killer as a martyr.
The 28-year-old Lubbock, Texas native and US Army veteran had served in both Iraq and Afghanistan, where fellow soldiers described him as a role model and father figure.
Despite his tours of duty in harms way, Force returned to the US unscathed. He was stationed at Fort Hood, in Texas, during two massacres, including the 2009 Fort Hood terror attack perpetrated by Nidal Hassan.
Force was a West Point graduate and served as a Field Artillery Officer.
Friend and soldier David Campos-Contreras was stunned by the news, and noted bitter irony.
When we were in Afghanistan we fought against terror. We would see the victims of a Taliban attack, and now hes become a victim of terror, said Campos-Contreras.
Force was a leader and role model for everyone around him, Campos-Contreras told Walla News.
He was a father figure, an older brother whos never wrong, ever, he said. He fought in Iraq and Afghanistan and survived, then came to Israel and was killed. I cant stop thinking about it, he said, its strange.
Contrary to initial media reports which claimed Forces wife was injured in the attack, he was not married.
After completing his service with the US Army, Force enrolled in an MBA program in Vanderbilt University.
Force, who was not Jewish, traveled to Israel as part of his studies to expand his understanding of global entrepreneurship and also to share his insights and knowledge with start-ups in Israel, read a statement by Vanderbilt University Chancellor Nicholas Zeppos.
And biden is still going to meet with abbas who praised the killer as a martyr.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 02:45 PM (DUoqb)
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What states is Cruz targeting for the 15th. If we assume FL goes Trump and Ohio goes Kasich, where is Cruz gunning for? NC?
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 02:45 PM (WnCSK)
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130 The Establishment GOP will turn on Cruz the second he prevents Trump (if he can) from winning outright.
Posted by: jwest at March 09, 2016 02:43 PM (Zs4uk)
If the Rubio, Kasich exit occurs, either Trump or Cruz is going to get 1,237 and then it's moot.
Posted by: jwest at March 09, 2016 02:43 PM (Zs4uk)
If the Rubio, Kasich exit occurs, either Trump or Cruz is going to get 1,237 and then it's moot.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:45 PM (p4UlV)
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If they want anybody but Trump, how is it that Trump is winning?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 09, 2016 02:42 PM (kDUUX)
Hard question to answer unless you assume the 60% is total fucking bullshit.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 09, 2016 02:42 PM (kDUUX)
Hard question to answer unless you assume the 60% is total fucking bullshit.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 09, 2016 02:46 PM (QPdNE)
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Posted by: Rich at March 09, 2016 02:43 PM (MIdlN)
Exactly right. A lot of votes in the Midwest where Cruz has won a couple states strong even with Rubio in the race.
Exactly right. A lot of votes in the Midwest where Cruz has won a couple states strong even with Rubio in the race.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 02:46 PM (74ZYB)
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118, yes, but Trump caused that.
Rubio totally beclowned himself with his third-rate comedian act at the last couple of debates.
And Romney lost a lifetime's worth of credibility by using the same dirty tactics ( "He didn't pay taxes") against Trump that were used against him.
It must have also burned Romney that he had to forever walk on egg-shells to avoid talking about his personal wealth when this cheap, tawdry, vulgar Trump not only flaunts his wealth, but gets support from working-class voters....
Rubio totally beclowned himself with his third-rate comedian act at the last couple of debates.
And Romney lost a lifetime's worth of credibility by using the same dirty tactics ( "He didn't pay taxes") against Trump that were used against him.
It must have also burned Romney that he had to forever walk on egg-shells to avoid talking about his personal wealth when this cheap, tawdry, vulgar Trump not only flaunts his wealth, but gets support from working-class voters....
Posted by: JoeF. at March 09, 2016 02:46 PM (fs6Bg)
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And my guess the day after the election Drudge will still headline some online showing Trump winning.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:44 PM (R6NO9)
Hit the nail on the head.
If I recall correctly, didn't Drudge have some poll up showing Romney over Obama halfway through the election returns?
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:44 PM (R6NO9)
Hit the nail on the head.
If I recall correctly, didn't Drudge have some poll up showing Romney over Obama halfway through the election returns?
Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2016 02:46 PM (XItbt)
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Force, who was not Jewish, traveled to Israel as part of his studies to expand his understanding of global entrepreneurship and also to share his insights and knowledge with start-ups in Israel, read a statement by Vanderbilt University Chancellor Nicholas Zeppos.
And biden is still going to meet with abbas who praised the killer as a martyr.
Just terrible....
And biden is still going to meet with abbas who praised the killer as a martyr.
Just terrible....
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:46 PM (/dSsq)
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118 Win or lose, Trump has pretty much ruined the careers/reputations of Rubio and Romney, and maybe Kasich--unless Kasich lands as Trump's Veep.
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No. They did that themselves.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 09, 2016 02:41 PM (8PbKi)
Each election cycle, I am amazed and baffled and kind of surprised at how each party at least mostly comes together for their guy, despite the slings and arrows of rhetoric.
This season maaaaay be different if Trump wins, but it's not like Bush Sr. wasn't super nasty to Reagan and so on.
I mean, you'd expect some punches to be pulled, but nooooo, it's pretty much scorched earth until there's a nominee and then the horrible fascist cousin-humpers who supported The Enemy and the wonderful, classy rocket surgeons who supported My Guy have to pretend to get along because The Enemy and My Guy are now BFFs.
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No. They did that themselves.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 09, 2016 02:41 PM (8PbKi)
Each election cycle, I am amazed and baffled and kind of surprised at how each party at least mostly comes together for their guy, despite the slings and arrows of rhetoric.
This season maaaaay be different if Trump wins, but it's not like Bush Sr. wasn't super nasty to Reagan and so on.
I mean, you'd expect some punches to be pulled, but nooooo, it's pretty much scorched earth until there's a nominee and then the horrible fascist cousin-humpers who supported The Enemy and the wonderful, classy rocket surgeons who supported My Guy have to pretend to get along because The Enemy and My Guy are now BFFs.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 09, 2016 02:47 PM (u0s1P)
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HOLY FUCKING HELL IF ANY OF YOU GETS ON TWITTER I WILL HAVE YOU FLAYED ALIVE.
Posted by: Cruz campaign manager at March 09, 2016 02:47 PM (kTF2Z)
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136 JJ Sefton @ 47 melancholy day?
Me too, but not for Rubio. That 8" of rain last night washed away about 4K worth of our garden work. And calling for same-same big time through Saturday here in ETEX. Mrs. E is bout to cry or fixin to get drunk
Posted by: Eromero at March 09, 2016 02:45 PM (zLDYs)
I was commenting on an 'Ette comment. I do not feel bad for Rubio at all. He's a sneaky political SOB.
Me too, but not for Rubio. That 8" of rain last night washed away about 4K worth of our garden work. And calling for same-same big time through Saturday here in ETEX. Mrs. E is bout to cry or fixin to get drunk
Posted by: Eromero at March 09, 2016 02:45 PM (zLDYs)
I was commenting on an 'Ette comment. I do not feel bad for Rubio at all. He's a sneaky political SOB.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:47 PM (p4UlV)
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Its primary season...after the candidate is finally chosen it all shifts. Voters coalesce around the nominee going into the general. Agree that many will not come over to Trump but 60% is highly unlikely.
Posted by: Skeezix
I never said all of them would sit it out, but if an outsized majority of your own party dislikes you, that's a very bad sign going into the General Election.
We've NEVER had that before. None of the other Republicans have such high unfavorability ratings.
And it really doesn't take much to throw the election.
Posted by: Skeezix
I never said all of them would sit it out, but if an outsized majority of your own party dislikes you, that's a very bad sign going into the General Election.
We've NEVER had that before. None of the other Republicans have such high unfavorability ratings.
And it really doesn't take much to throw the election.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:47 PM (R6NO9)
149
[Facepalm]
FFS, these @$$h@t$ are making an election close where the leading Democratic nominee is under FBI scrutiny and her competitor is an avowed socialist. How the he!! is that possible?
FFS, these @$$h@t$ are making an election close where the leading Democratic nominee is under FBI scrutiny and her competitor is an avowed socialist. How the he!! is that possible?
Posted by: Hadoop at March 09, 2016 02:47 PM (2X7pN)
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KEEP CALM AND VOTE CRUZ
Posted by: JEM at March 09, 2016 02:47 PM (o+SC1)
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Because they hate Cruz with the white hot heat of a thousand suns. They
want to use Cruz to bring the convention to a second ballot, but no one
- No One - in the GOPe has any intention of letting Cruz be the
anointed nominee.
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Best argument so far for me voting for Cruz. I've been looking for some kind of motivation to get me to the polls. Ticking off the RNC moves the needle.
want to use Cruz to bring the convention to a second ballot, but no one
- No One - in the GOPe has any intention of letting Cruz be the
anointed nominee.
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Best argument so far for me voting for Cruz. I've been looking for some kind of motivation to get me to the polls. Ticking off the RNC moves the needle.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 02:47 PM (dFi94)
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Romney had some really great hair.Obama has that freaky scar on his head.Didn't matter.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 02:47 PM (B48dK)
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Also, should say to Rubio supporters -- you supported a fine candidate, nothing to be ashamed of. He's a good man with a great story and I look forward to voting for him someday.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (74ZYB)
154
I wonder if these are the same anonymous donors who were certain that Romney was going to run.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (XhSez)
155
If Cruz is doing any campaigning here in Illinois he sure is staying away from us hicks in the sticks.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (WVsWD)
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US Secretary of State John Kerry spoke on Wednesday with Iran's foreign minister about Iran's test-firing two ballistic missiles that Tehran said were designed to be able to hit Israel, a State Department spokesman said.
"The secretary did raise his concerns today with Foreign Minister (Mohammad Javad) Zarif," State Department spokesman John Kirby told reporters in a daily briefing.
Yeah and?
"The secretary did raise his concerns today with Foreign Minister (Mohammad Javad) Zarif," State Department spokesman John Kirby told reporters in a daily briefing.
Yeah and?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (DUoqb)
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FFS, these @$$h@t$ are making an election close where the leading Democratic nominee is under FBI scrutiny and her competitor is an avowed socialist. How the he!! is that possible?
We live in dangerous times....
We live in dangerous times....
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (/dSsq)
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If the Rubio, Kasich exit occurs, either Trump or Cruz is going to get 1,237 and then it's moot.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:45 PM (p4UlV)
No. That's wrong.
If Rubio and Kasich exit, Trump would have a chance of reaching 1,237, Cruz wouldn't.
Should Trump not make it, it goes to a second ballot and Cruz would not even be considered.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:45 PM (p4UlV)
No. That's wrong.
If Rubio and Kasich exit, Trump would have a chance of reaching 1,237, Cruz wouldn't.
Should Trump not make it, it goes to a second ballot and Cruz would not even be considered.
Posted by: jwest at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (Zs4uk)
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"We've NEVER had that before. None of the other Republicans have such high unfavorability ratings. "
Agreed. But we have never had a year like this either. I just think there is a lot more to all this. But time will soon tell.
Agreed. But we have never had a year like this either. I just think there is a lot more to all this. But time will soon tell.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (WnCSK)
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152 Romney had some really great hair.Obama has that freaky scar on his head.Didn't matter.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 02:47 PM (B48dK)
Purple lipped, jug-eared momzer.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 02:47 PM (B48dK)
Purple lipped, jug-eared momzer.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (p4UlV)
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Oh, and by the way, ace: you should pile on. The Rubes really deserve it. I have never before seen so much arrogance, entitlement and sneering combined in a single campaign.
It makes me positively happy that these people were humiliated like that. That their golden boy turned out to be a somewhat above-average also-ran. Really. Fucking. Happy.
Your buddy Charles Cooke seems to possess less political acumen than fucking Ann Coulter. And lets not even start with rubes twitter brigades.
It makes me positively happy that these people were humiliated like that. That their golden boy turned out to be a somewhat above-average also-ran. Really. Fucking. Happy.
Your buddy Charles Cooke seems to possess less political acumen than fucking Ann Coulter. And lets not even start with rubes twitter brigades.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 09, 2016 02:49 PM (jPLSa)
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138 What states is Cruz targeting for the 15th. If we assume FL goes Trump and Ohio goes Kasich, where is Cruz gunning for? NC?
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NC and Missouri (WTA) are the two big ones he'll go after.
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NC and Missouri (WTA) are the two big ones he'll go after.
Posted by: Rich at March 09, 2016 02:49 PM (MIdlN)
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Posted by: Hadoop at March 09, 2016 02:47 PM (2X7pN)
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We're broken. Most days I feel it is not fixable.
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We're broken. Most days I feel it is not fixable.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 02:49 PM (dFi94)
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37
If he loses Florida, Rubicuomo is finished as a public office holder. As a shill for the party or a propagandist on the MFM or lobbyist, the future is looking good for him.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:24 PM (p4UlV)
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Honestly, I think that's what he's running for now.
If he loses Florida, Rubicuomo is finished as a public office holder. As a shill for the party or a propagandist on the MFM or lobbyist, the future is looking good for him.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:24 PM (p4UlV)
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Honestly, I think that's what he's running for now.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 02:49 PM (LXJ1e)
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Interesting dilemma here. Rubio dropping out concedes Florida to Trump (not that Marco is going to win there anyway) but it will also give Kasich a slight bump in Ohio.
I guess in theory Kasich winning Ohio would help Cruz because it would keep Trump's delegate count down and increase Cruz's odds of entering the convention with a plurality of the delegates. The negative is, it likely means we are stuck with Kasich for a while.
I guess in theory Kasich winning Ohio would help Cruz because it would keep Trump's delegate count down and increase Cruz's odds of entering the convention with a plurality of the delegates. The negative is, it likely means we are stuck with Kasich for a while.
Posted by: MidGeorgia at March 09, 2016 02:49 PM (d9kFb)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 02:49 PM (LA7Cm)
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>>FFS, these @$$h@t$ are making an election close where
>> the leading Democratic nominee is under FBI scrutiny and
>> her competitor is an avowed socialist. How the he!! is that
>> possible?
Where the leading Democratic candidate is effectively a confessed felon worse than Nixon.
But, hey, look who UK Labour picked as their leader. The party of Tony Blair is now stuffed to the brim with shadow-cabinet members who are crypto-Trotsky 9/11 troofers.
>> the leading Democratic nominee is under FBI scrutiny and
>> her competitor is an avowed socialist. How the he!! is that
>> possible?
Where the leading Democratic candidate is effectively a confessed felon worse than Nixon.
But, hey, look who UK Labour picked as their leader. The party of Tony Blair is now stuffed to the brim with shadow-cabinet members who are crypto-Trotsky 9/11 troofers.
Posted by: JEM at March 09, 2016 02:49 PM (o+SC1)
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160 Well yeah,that too.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 02:49 PM (B48dK)
169
So what is the plan for Cruz victory then? Does it rest on a contested convention? Or can he get the delegates?
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 02:50 PM (WnCSK)
170
Ace makes a good point that Mario dropping out now makes a Kasich win in OH more likely on the 15th. Otherwise, if you just focus on FL and assume it's in the bag for Trump, you might be neutral on whether Mario drops out pre- or post.
I'm surprised old man Elliot (Singer) didn't think that one through. He must be preoccupied wondering how he's going to offload a gajillion dollars face of Peurto Rican bonds now his man is out of the running. (Taking the "grass-roots movement for statehood" with him.)
I'm surprised old man Elliot (Singer) didn't think that one through. He must be preoccupied wondering how he's going to offload a gajillion dollars face of Peurto Rican bonds now his man is out of the running. (Taking the "grass-roots movement for statehood" with him.)
Posted by: Bouffant Pongo at March 09, 2016 02:50 PM (u+4Xf)
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Rush talking about the RNC changing something called Rule 40, requiring the nominee to have won outright the delegates in 8 states.
Says, they're going to try and change that to fuck up Trump.
Rush talking about the RNC changing something called Rule 40, requiring the nominee to have won outright the delegates in 8 states.
Says, they're going to try and change that to fuck up Trump.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:50 PM (p4UlV)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at March 09, 2016 02:50 PM (qul7b)
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"The secretary did raise his concerns today with
Foreign Minister (Mohammad Javad) Zarif," State Department spokesman
John Kirby told reporters in a daily briefing.
Yeah and?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (DUoqb)
Oh wow! He 'raised his concerns'! That's like clutching his pearls. Was he on the fainting couch at the time?
Foreign Minister (Mohammad Javad) Zarif," State Department spokesman
John Kirby told reporters in a daily briefing.
Yeah and?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (DUoqb)
Oh wow! He 'raised his concerns'! That's like clutching his pearls. Was he on the fainting couch at the time?
Posted by: Tami at March 09, 2016 02:50 PM (v0/PR)
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169 So what is the plan for Cruz victory then? Does it rest on a contested convention? Or can he get the delegates?
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 02:50 PM (WnCSK)
Ted Cruz is that last person who will be nominated at a contested convention.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 02:50 PM (WnCSK)
Ted Cruz is that last person who will be nominated at a contested convention.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM (p4UlV)
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Bernie Sanders, speaking in an Arab-American stronghold, said he would aim for a level playing field in US Middle East policy.
Eat me bernie
Bernie Sanders, speaking in an Arab-American stronghold, said he would aim for a level playing field in US Middle East policy.
Eat me bernie
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM (DUoqb)
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If Cruz is doing any campaigning here in Illinois he sure is staying away from us hicks in the sticks.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (WVsWD)
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When's your primary? Ours isn't till next month, so probably irrelevant.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (WVsWD)
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When's your primary? Ours isn't till next month, so probably irrelevant.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM (dFi94)
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Hillary Clinton: An Offer You Can't Refuse
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM (7g57e)
178
Rubio will be the next Rick Santorum.
Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM (XItbt)
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NC and Missouri (WTA) are the two big ones he'll go after.
Posted by: Rich at March 09, 2016 02:49 PM (MIdlN)
That, and he'll also probably target downstate Illinois because they award delegates by congressional districts.
Posted by: Rich at March 09, 2016 02:49 PM (MIdlN)
That, and he'll also probably target downstate Illinois because they award delegates by congressional districts.
Posted by: MidGeorgia at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM (d9kFb)
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172 Ebola/Zika 2016!
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at March 09, 2016 02:50 PM (qul7b)
Desiree Cousteau/Seka '76!
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at March 09, 2016 02:50 PM (qul7b)
Desiree Cousteau/Seka '76!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM (p4UlV)
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Hard question to answer unless you assume the 60% is total fucking bullshit.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 09, 2016 02:46 PM (QPdNE)
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Occam's Razor and all that shit.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 09, 2016 02:46 PM (QPdNE)
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Occam's Razor and all that shit.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM (8XRCm)
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Rubio needs to get out just for Rubio's own sake at this point. He's going to lose Florida and quite frankly, if he stays in, Cruz should go for his jugular and try and beat him in Florida. At that point, what is Rubio's future in the party?
Posted by: Rich at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM (MIdlN)
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"New swimming pool game."
If I were writing and directing political ads:
Five kids in a suburban swimming pool playing Marco Polo. The classic version. The kid who is "it", closed-eyed, shouts "Marco!"
His friends shout "Polo!" and then flee, giggling, as he thrashes about trying to tag them. Repeat twice more.
Zoom in on the face of the kid who is it. "Marco!" he shouts again.
Response from a chorus of heavily accented adult voices: "RUBIO."
Kid, with a baffled expression, opens his eyes and looks around. Camera zooms back out from his face. His friends are gone. The pool water around him is suddenly stuffed to the brim with unpleasant-looking adult "newcomers" all staring at him strangely.
If I were writing and directing political ads:
Five kids in a suburban swimming pool playing Marco Polo. The classic version. The kid who is "it", closed-eyed, shouts "Marco!"
His friends shout "Polo!" and then flee, giggling, as he thrashes about trying to tag them. Repeat twice more.
Zoom in on the face of the kid who is it. "Marco!" he shouts again.
Response from a chorus of heavily accented adult voices: "RUBIO."
Kid, with a baffled expression, opens his eyes and looks around. Camera zooms back out from his face. His friends are gone. The pool water around him is suddenly stuffed to the brim with unpleasant-looking adult "newcomers" all staring at him strangely.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM (noWW6)
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>>>Gasparino...He monopolizes every FBN coverage on any topic.
i'm at the "costanza, can't stand ya" level when it comes to him...and this goes way back.
i'm at the "costanza, can't stand ya" level when it comes to him...and this goes way back.
Posted by: concrete girl at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM (0KgAM)
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Other than the head to head poll what on earth makes everyone think Hillary is so inevitable?
I'm not discounting it, I'm just asking for another data point.
I'm not discounting it, I'm just asking for another data point.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 02:52 PM (xuouz)
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>> Honestly, I think that's what he's running for now.
If Rubio wants a future in government it's in someone else's Cabinet. Or maybe someone's VP, but that hasn't exactly proven a reliable steppingstone to the top office.
If Rubio wants a future in government it's in someone else's Cabinet. Or maybe someone's VP, but that hasn't exactly proven a reliable steppingstone to the top office.
Posted by: JEM at March 09, 2016 02:52 PM (o+SC1)
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51 This contest was over after Nevada, Trump is going to be the nominee.
Despite all that's coming out in the last few debates that makes it clear Trump will be absolutely destroyed by Hillary, Trump continues to rack up primary victories all because he called Mexico a bunch of rapists.
We're just going to have to get this out of our system.
---Some are just mass murderers, case in point.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ht4sobs
Despite all that's coming out in the last few debates that makes it clear Trump will be absolutely destroyed by Hillary, Trump continues to rack up primary victories all because he called Mexico a bunch of rapists.
We're just going to have to get this out of our system.
---Some are just mass murderers, case in point.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ht4sobs
Posted by: rightwingva at March 09, 2016 02:52 PM (12N38)
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I'd much rather refer to people who don't support My Guy as cousin-humping fascists, if you don't mind. I'm not out here to persuade or convince, I'm here to burn it all down.
But if I have to vote for The Enemy in order to beat The Other Enemy, sure, why not. Have you met any of my cousins?
But if I have to vote for The Enemy in order to beat The Other Enemy, sure, why not. Have you met any of my cousins?
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 09, 2016 02:52 PM (u0s1P)
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Gasparino resembles Al Campanis, no?
Gasparino resembles Al Campanis, no?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:52 PM (p4UlV)
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Bernie Sanders, speaking in an Arab-American stronghold, said he would aim for a level playing field in US Middle East policy.
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BERNIE SANDERS WANT TO LEVEL THE MIDDLE EAST AS PART OF HIS FOREIGN POLICY!!!!
~ Hillarys Press Peoples.
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BERNIE SANDERS WANT TO LEVEL THE MIDDLE EAST AS PART OF HIS FOREIGN POLICY!!!!
~ Hillarys Press Peoples.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 02:52 PM (8XRCm)
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Bernie Sanders, speaking in an Arab-American stronghold, said he would aim for a level playing field in US Middle East policy.
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He's going to export consciences to the Arabs?
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He's going to export consciences to the Arabs?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 09, 2016 02:52 PM (7g57e)
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173 Next they will escalate to a sternly worded letter.That'll show them.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 02:52 PM (B48dK)
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Can anyone translate from Twitter-twaddle into English?
Makes me #wonder why such a #greatidea that requires words to run into jumbles and be unneces. abbrev'd, rendering the result unreadable, all for an arbitrary and stupid #charactercount, has a tanking stock evaluation.
Makes me #wonder why such a #greatidea that requires words to run into jumbles and be unneces. abbrev'd, rendering the result unreadable, all for an arbitrary and stupid #charactercount, has a tanking stock evaluation.
Posted by: Pastafarian at March 09, 2016 02:52 PM (LqrRo)
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169 So what is the plan for Cruz victory then? Does it rest on a contested convention? Or can he get the delegates?
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 02:50 PM
Cruz has said that he does not want an open convention. He wants to win outright. Will he be able to? *shrug*
I do think that he realizes that he will be hosed should no one come to the convention with 1237.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 02:50 PM
Cruz has said that he does not want an open convention. He wants to win outright. Will he be able to? *shrug*
I do think that he realizes that he will be hosed should no one come to the convention with 1237.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 09, 2016 02:53 PM (F0oRd)
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Ted Cruz is that last person who will be nominated at a contested convention.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM (p4UlV)
To be very honest, since we have not had a brokered convention in eons, I have no idea what might happen. Except it will be one big shoe! And all hell will break loose. Anything could happen. Throw all logic out the window.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM (p4UlV)
To be very honest, since we have not had a brokered convention in eons, I have no idea what might happen. Except it will be one big shoe! And all hell will break loose. Anything could happen. Throw all logic out the window.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 02:53 PM (DUoqb)
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Illinois's primary is Tuesday. Early voting's been going on for a bit.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 09, 2016 02:53 PM (u0s1P)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at March 09, 2016 02:53 PM (qul7b)
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Rubio dropping out of Florida is the death of Ted Cruz.
It means Trump takes it by 20+ points and it's winner take all. Someone else besides Trump had to get those delegates.
Cruz is not going to be able to take it away from Trump in a contested Convention, especially if Trump goes in there with a 2 to 1 lead in delegates.
Trump is the nominee, and he has been since Nevada.
It means Trump takes it by 20+ points and it's winner take all. Someone else besides Trump had to get those delegates.
Cruz is not going to be able to take it away from Trump in a contested Convention, especially if Trump goes in there with a 2 to 1 lead in delegates.
Trump is the nominee, and he has been since Nevada.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:53 PM (R6NO9)
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Mario needs to apologize for calling Cruz a liar. Quite a few of my friends who are independent and knew nothing about Cruz because they aren't political junkies now think he's a liar. That is REALLY bad.
Trump and Rubio lie about everything, people say give them the benefit of the doubt. Cruz tells the truth, gets called a liar BY LIARS, and people say he's a liar and a lost cause. #Idontwanttoliveonthisplanetanymore
Trump and Rubio lie about everything, people say give them the benefit of the doubt. Cruz tells the truth, gets called a liar BY LIARS, and people say he's a liar and a lost cause. #Idontwanttoliveonthisplanetanymore
Posted by: PBJ5959 at March 09, 2016 02:53 PM (r1du+)
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 02:53 PM (8XRCm)
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197
Desiree Cousteau/Seka '76!
OH HELL YES!
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at March 09, 2016 02:53 PM (qul7b)
At least there's something all of us can get behind. Literally.
Desiree Cousteau/Seka '76!
OH HELL YES!
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at March 09, 2016 02:53 PM (qul7b)
At least there's something all of us can get behind. Literally.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:54 PM (p4UlV)
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Same day as Florida Grammie.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:54 PM (WVsWD)
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This potentially very good news if you're a Cruz fan, which I am, but the whole early voting thing in FL looms as a great big short term suckage. Ah well, on to other states with a 200 delegate shortfall but better prospects for more wins.
In case anyone is curious about GW Bush's 2000 immigration platform, here it is:
http://www.4president.us/issues/bush2000/bush2000immigration.htm
In case anyone is curious about GW Bush's 2000 immigration platform, here it is:
http://www.4president.us/issues/bush2000/bush2000immigration.htm
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 09, 2016 02:54 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 02:55 PM (8XRCm)
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If HilDog strokes out or falls of her airplane lift before the convention, is all the White Internationalist, or do the dumbos drift Paste Eater, Fauxahontas, Mooch or...?
If HilDog strokes out or falls of her airplane lift before the convention, is all the White Internationalist, or do the dumbos drift Paste Eater, Fauxahontas, Mooch or...?
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at March 09, 2016 02:55 PM (qul7b)
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>> Despite all that's coming out in the last few debates that
>> makes it clear Trump will be absolutely destroyed by
>> Hillary
At which point, as far as I'm concerned, it's time to buy ISIS a few 747s and a whole lot of fertilizer, because this country no longer deserves to exist.
An electorate that would vote in someone who's clearly guilty on inauguration day of worse crimes than forced Nixon's resignation deserves to be handed over to the barbarians.
>> makes it clear Trump will be absolutely destroyed by
>> Hillary
At which point, as far as I'm concerned, it's time to buy ISIS a few 747s and a whole lot of fertilizer, because this country no longer deserves to exist.
An electorate that would vote in someone who's clearly guilty on inauguration day of worse crimes than forced Nixon's resignation deserves to be handed over to the barbarians.
Posted by: JEM at March 09, 2016 02:55 PM (o+SC1)
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Other than the head to head poll what on earth makes everyone think Hillary is so inevitable?
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Nice kneecaps you got there. Shame if anything happened to them.
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Nice kneecaps you got there. Shame if anything happened to them.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 09, 2016 02:55 PM (7g57e)
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Also, should say to Rubio supporters -- you supported a fine candidate, nothing to be ashamed of. He's a good man with a great story and I look forward to voting for him someday.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (74ZYB)
This sounds like seahawks fans posting on St. Louis Rams (RIP) fan forums after a SEA 35:13 STL win.
"Good game today guys, that D-line is scary and Gurley looks like a hall of famer. You gave us a scare there in the second half, I hope we see you in the playoffs!"
haha
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 02:48 PM (74ZYB)
This sounds like seahawks fans posting on St. Louis Rams (RIP) fan forums after a SEA 35:13 STL win.
"Good game today guys, that D-line is scary and Gurley looks like a hall of famer. You gave us a scare there in the second half, I hope we see you in the playoffs!"
haha
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 02:55 PM (xuouz)
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Ted Cruz is that last person who will be nominated at a contested convention.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM
I don't know about that.
The GOP has already gone full on #NotTrump. If we get to the convention and it's close between Trump and Cruz with neither at 1237, I think it will be an interesting event.
That assumes that Rubio and Kasich go away. If they stay in, I think it almost guarantees that no one gets to 1237, then Romney and other such shit comes into play.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:51 PM
I don't know about that.
The GOP has already gone full on #NotTrump. If we get to the convention and it's close between Trump and Cruz with neither at 1237, I think it will be an interesting event.
That assumes that Rubio and Kasich go away. If they stay in, I think it almost guarantees that no one gets to 1237, then Romney and other such shit comes into play.
Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2016 02:56 PM (XItbt)
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It's never a good situation where you beg your competition to drop out so you can win.
If only Gatilyn popped a shoe in the 2012 men's 100m then Blake could have beaten Usain Bolt.
If only Gatilyn popped a shoe in the 2012 men's 100m then Blake could have beaten Usain Bolt.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 02:56 PM (LXJ1e)
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Same day as Florida Grammie.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:54 PM (WVsWD)
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I could skip over the board and double your vote, Tim. It can't be that hard - we get Illinois people voting here all the time.
Same day as Florida Grammie.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:54 PM (WVsWD)
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I could skip over the board and double your vote, Tim. It can't be that hard - we get Illinois people voting here all the time.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 02:56 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:56 PM (p4UlV)
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Anyone who says they know where all this lunacy is headed is talking out of their ass. Stock up on booze, guns, ammo, and pornography is my advise
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 02:57 PM (DUoqb)
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171
Rush talking about the RNC changing something called Rule 40, requiring the nominee to have won outright the delegates in 8 states.
Says, they're going to try and change that to fuck up Trump.
---Yeah, I read that Rule. Let me say this boys and girls, I voted for McCain, voted for Romney, helped get R's the House and Senate. Let me tell you a little secret. The game is over. Change the rules at the Convention and screw us out of the nomination, and you can bet that many of us will enjoy the Hillary show you will be getting the next 4 years. If GOPe thinks that they are going to pick the candidate, come hell or high water, you can believe that many, many, many of us will NOT vote and hand you Clinton.
Rush talking about the RNC changing something called Rule 40, requiring the nominee to have won outright the delegates in 8 states.
Says, they're going to try and change that to fuck up Trump.
---Yeah, I read that Rule. Let me say this boys and girls, I voted for McCain, voted for Romney, helped get R's the House and Senate. Let me tell you a little secret. The game is over. Change the rules at the Convention and screw us out of the nomination, and you can bet that many of us will enjoy the Hillary show you will be getting the next 4 years. If GOPe thinks that they are going to pick the candidate, come hell or high water, you can believe that many, many, many of us will NOT vote and hand you Clinton.
Posted by: rightwingva at March 09, 2016 02:57 PM (12N38)
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I don't see Hillary doing as well as Obama did. Obama didn't even do as well in '12 as he did in '08. It would only take a small shift, either nationally or in a few states, and she'd lose, possibly by a lot, in the Electoral College vote-sense.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 09, 2016 02:58 PM (u0s1P)
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Posted by: Eromero at March 09, 2016 02:45 PM (zLDYs)
I'm sorry to hear that. It's so heartbreaking and discouraging.
I'm sorry to hear that. It's so heartbreaking and discouraging.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 09, 2016 02:58 PM (2PI7/)
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OFF TOPIC!!!!
My kid drew a lovely dog reading a book silhouette and I put it on a mug design
Link in nic
RETURN TO TOPIC!!
My kid drew a lovely dog reading a book silhouette and I put it on a mug design
Link in nic
RETURN TO TOPIC!!
Posted by: votermom at March 09, 2016 02:58 PM (cbfNE)
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174 169 "So what is the plan for Cruz victory then?"
That's what the Cruz people don't understand - there is no path to victory for Cruz.
Cruz can only block Trump from winning outright. If it goes to a brokered convention, Cruz will not even be considered by the people calling the shot and making the rules.
Who from the establishment has endorsed him?
Why would anyone think he would be the chosen one when they could put anyone in?
Everyone in the establishment hates Cruz. He will never be the nominee.
That's what the Cruz people don't understand - there is no path to victory for Cruz.
Cruz can only block Trump from winning outright. If it goes to a brokered convention, Cruz will not even be considered by the people calling the shot and making the rules.
Who from the establishment has endorsed him?
Why would anyone think he would be the chosen one when they could put anyone in?
Everyone in the establishment hates Cruz. He will never be the nominee.
Posted by: jwest at March 09, 2016 02:58 PM (Zs4uk)
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Other than the head to head poll what on earth makes everyone think Hillary is so inevitable?
I'm not discounting it, I'm just asking for another data point.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 02:52 PM (xuouz)
Rasmussen has the about 3 pts apart with 25% not decided.
I'm not discounting it, I'm just asking for another data point.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 02:52 PM (xuouz)
Rasmussen has the about 3 pts apart with 25% not decided.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 09, 2016 02:59 PM (QPdNE)
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Other than the head to head poll what on earth makes everyone think Hillary is so inevitable?
I'm not discounting it, I'm just asking for another data point.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane
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Because Hillary will look like an old comfortable pair of shoes and the last time a Clinton was in the White House, it was peace and prosperity.
The idea that Hillary's email problem is going to cost her the election against Donald Trump who everyone knows is a conman is sort of like conservatives thinking Obama middle name was going to cost him the election.
The first thing Trump supporters will parrot back is "but Hillary is going to jail". That really tells you all you need to know about how much Trump supporters understand DC politics.
I'm not discounting it, I'm just asking for another data point.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane
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Because Hillary will look like an old comfortable pair of shoes and the last time a Clinton was in the White House, it was peace and prosperity.
The idea that Hillary's email problem is going to cost her the election against Donald Trump who everyone knows is a conman is sort of like conservatives thinking Obama middle name was going to cost him the election.
The first thing Trump supporters will parrot back is "but Hillary is going to jail". That really tells you all you need to know about how much Trump supporters understand DC politics.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:59 PM (R6NO9)
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My kid drew a lovely dog reading a book silhouette and I put it on a mug design
Oh, that's sweet.
RETURN TO TOPIC!!
Posted by: votermom at March 09, 2016 02:58 PM (cbfNE)
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Oh, that's sweet.
RETURN TO TOPIC!!
Posted by: votermom at March 09, 2016 02:58 PM (cbfNE)
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 09, 2016 02:59 PM (bLnSU)
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...meanwhile, the reptilian Cruz quietly flickers his tongue, testing the air...
Images of a sibilant, slit-eyed, scaly, slithering lizard MUST NOT enter your mind.
Images of a sibilant, slit-eyed, scaly, slithering lizard MUST NOT enter your mind.
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at March 09, 2016 02:59 PM (IQI2h)
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I love it votermom! But why can't we talk about dogs and books instead of sharpening our knives while staring menacingly at those who won't vote for our candidate?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:00 PM (xuouz)
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My kid drew a lovely dog reading a book silhouette and I put it on a mug design
Link in nic
RETURN TO TOPIC!!
Posted by: votermom at March 09, 2016 02:58 PM (cbfNE)
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That's adorable! Your kid did good. Great mug.
Link in nic
RETURN TO TOPIC!!
Posted by: votermom at March 09, 2016 02:58 PM (cbfNE)
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That's adorable! Your kid did good. Great mug.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 03:00 PM (dFi94)
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Well, we'll see if this is true. My guess is Rubio stays in anyway because ego, but if he really thinks he gets a 3-4 place outcome in Florida, that ego might make him step out.
I dunno what the heck happened to Rubio but he suddenly became radioactive to voters.
I dunno what the heck happened to Rubio but he suddenly became radioactive to voters.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 03:00 PM (39g3+)
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I could skip over the board and double your vote, Tim. It can't be that hard - we get Illinois people voting here all the time.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 02:56 PM (dFi94)
In theory now since I have small bits of property in both, I could vote in Tazewell County then drive down and vote in Champaign County.
That's just in theory. I am way to lazy to do it.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 02:56 PM (dFi94)
In theory now since I have small bits of property in both, I could vote in Tazewell County then drive down and vote in Champaign County.
That's just in theory. I am way to lazy to do it.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 03:01 PM (WVsWD)
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Finish Him !!
Posted by: MK at March 09, 2016 03:01 PM (gs8be)
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Images of a sibilant, slit-eyed, scaly, slithering lizard MUST NOT enter your mind.
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at March 09, 2016 02:59 PM (IQI2h)
That would be Kasich. Why do you think he's so nice all the time? He thinks that's how people act. He doesn't want to tip off how aggressive and vindictive he really is.
Plus you can tell he's a lizard person because he's so shit at controlling the arms on his human suit.
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at March 09, 2016 02:59 PM (IQI2h)
That would be Kasich. Why do you think he's so nice all the time? He thinks that's how people act. He doesn't want to tip off how aggressive and vindictive he really is.
Plus you can tell he's a lizard person because he's so shit at controlling the arms on his human suit.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:01 PM (xuouz)
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Other than the head to head poll what on earth makes everyone think Hillary is so inevitable?
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2008, 2012, trunks full of ballots, dead union voters, and the vastly swelling population of illegal aliens, absence of voter ID requirements, and states moving to allow "undocumented" people to vote.
Forget the technical stuff. Hillary has huge negatives with R voters. Trump has huge negative with D voters and R voters. The DNC is fully behind Hillary and they've been building a GE machine for years, on top of the machine that's won the past 2 presidential elections. The GOP has been abundantly clear with #NotTrump. Sure, he'll get the nomination... then they will refocus almost entirely on down ticket races and leave him on his own.
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2008, 2012, trunks full of ballots, dead union voters, and the vastly swelling population of illegal aliens, absence of voter ID requirements, and states moving to allow "undocumented" people to vote.
Forget the technical stuff. Hillary has huge negatives with R voters. Trump has huge negative with D voters and R voters. The DNC is fully behind Hillary and they've been building a GE machine for years, on top of the machine that's won the past 2 presidential elections. The GOP has been abundantly clear with #NotTrump. Sure, he'll get the nomination... then they will refocus almost entirely on down ticket races and leave him on his own.
Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2016 03:01 PM (XItbt)
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I hate returning to topic.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 03:01 PM (dFi94)
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Thanks grammie!
Posted by: votermom at March 09, 2016 03:01 PM (cbfNE)
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213 Anyone who says they know where all this lunacy is headed is talking out of their ass. Stock up on booze, guns, ammo, and pornography is my advise
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 02:57 PM (DUoqb)
To be fair, this is good advice under any circumstances. Especially the porn. Excellent trade good for the Burning Times.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 02:57 PM (DUoqb)
To be fair, this is good advice under any circumstances. Especially the porn. Excellent trade good for the Burning Times.
Posted by: joncelli at March 09, 2016 03:02 PM (RD7QR)
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My feels tell me Runio's supporters will trap him in a room and tell him "You can still win this" and Rubio will go "You know what? I can still win this!" And he'll stay in the race and get slaughtered, and help Trimp in the process.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 09, 2016 03:02 PM (zFzxj)
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Rubio needs to get out just for Rubio's own sake at this point. He's
going to lose Florida and quite frankly, if he stays in, Cruz should go
for his jugular and try and beat him in Florida. At that point, what is
Rubio's future in the party?
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This.
If Rubio can't take his own state in the GOP primary, he's "done".
If he can't win it in the primary, he probably can't in the general, and either way he's going to end up looking like a loser. If he's already decided that he has no future in politics, then he could maybe take a chance, but there isn't much upside.
He's better off at least SEEMING magnanimous and dropping out early. That way he can't be accused of putting Trump into the nomination later.
Rubio needs to get out just for Rubio's own sake at this point. He's
going to lose Florida and quite frankly, if he stays in, Cruz should go
for his jugular and try and beat him in Florida. At that point, what is
Rubio's future in the party?
==
This.
If Rubio can't take his own state in the GOP primary, he's "done".
If he can't win it in the primary, he probably can't in the general, and either way he's going to end up looking like a loser. If he's already decided that he has no future in politics, then he could maybe take a chance, but there isn't much upside.
He's better off at least SEEMING magnanimous and dropping out early. That way he can't be accused of putting Trump into the nomination later.
Posted by: looking closely at March 09, 2016 03:02 PM (ji45d)
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@139 If Trump gets to 1237, I think some mainstream conservative will have to launch a 3rd party or independent campaign in order to allow GOP politicians to keep the hell away from Trumpism for the rest of the year, and have some structure in place to start picking up the pieces in December. There would need to be a "party in exile" or "shadow GOP" to survive the Trump candidacy.
If Cruz hits 1237, I think they'll understand he has an uphill battle, but will mostly make peace with it. Some of them might distance themselves a little from a few of his outlier positions, but they won't have to seek as much cover as they would if Donnie was the nominee. Cruz will have saved them from having to either A) be dragged down by Donnie's epic defeat, or B) endure accusations of being "undemocratic" by selecting a more viable nominee in Cleveland in the "nobody gets 1237" scenario.
If Cruz hits 1237, I think they'll understand he has an uphill battle, but will mostly make peace with it. Some of them might distance themselves a little from a few of his outlier positions, but they won't have to seek as much cover as they would if Donnie was the nominee. Cruz will have saved them from having to either A) be dragged down by Donnie's epic defeat, or B) endure accusations of being "undemocratic" by selecting a more viable nominee in Cleveland in the "nobody gets 1237" scenario.
Posted by: cjw at March 09, 2016 03:02 PM (UJ59J)
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Rubio is trying to cut a deal Cruz neither wants or needs.
Posted by: SH at March 09, 2016 03:02 PM (34alA)
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re the ? of whether new voters are showing up this go round, a local MS news station reported that several people showed up at the polls to vote and found out that their names were absent.
You see, in MS if you are an inactive voter for a certain period of time your name is removed. Our voter rolls are actually policed! I know this comes as a total shock to Dem state residents, but it does happen.
But this is also anecdotal evidence of increased participation this time around.
You see, in MS if you are an inactive voter for a certain period of time your name is removed. Our voter rolls are actually policed! I know this comes as a total shock to Dem state residents, but it does happen.
But this is also anecdotal evidence of increased participation this time around.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 09, 2016 03:02 PM (gyKtp)
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Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 02:59 PM (R6NO9)
So your reasons are:
"Because people will embrace the establishment"
"don't you get it?"
and
"or don't you get it?"
Got it.
So your reasons are:
"Because people will embrace the establishment"
"don't you get it?"
and
"or don't you get it?"
Got it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:02 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 03:03 PM (J0GbY)
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This isn't about the delegates Rubio's won. Those are his, and I don't think he can pledge them to someone else or barter them away. (Not sure.)
It varies. In Nevada, if he officially suspends his campaign, than his deletages are reallocated to the remaining candidates, which means Trump would get more delegates than Kasich or Cruz.
It varies. In Nevada, if he officially suspends his campaign, than his deletages are reallocated to the remaining candidates, which means Trump would get more delegates than Kasich or Cruz.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 09, 2016 03:03 PM (vBeA5)
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Here's a posit.
Trump is the anti-establishment vote on the Republican side.
Bernie is the anti-establishment vote on the Democat side.
How may Berns voters vote Trump in the General???
And before you dismiss this idea out of hand, consider that Bern supporters arent really tried and true Party loyalists.
Or.... do they sit home.
Here's a posit.
Trump is the anti-establishment vote on the Republican side.
Bernie is the anti-establishment vote on the Democat side.
How may Berns voters vote Trump in the General???
And before you dismiss this idea out of hand, consider that Bern supporters arent really tried and true Party loyalists.
Or.... do they sit home.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 03:03 PM (8XRCm)
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Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 03:01 PM (WVsWD)
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That's right! I had forgotten that you lived in the Champaign area. First kiss? Champaign. And it was a good one.
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That's right! I had forgotten that you lived in the Champaign area. First kiss? Champaign. And it was a good one.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 03:03 PM (dFi94)
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Oliver Stone Reveals Clandestine Meetings With Edward Snowden
And Penn meets with a Drug Lord
What is up with liberals? And my friends and relatives wonder why my face turns red and a spit uncontrollably and curse like i have turrets syndrome?
And Penn meets with a Drug Lord
What is up with liberals? And my friends and relatives wonder why my face turns red and a spit uncontrollably and curse like i have turrets syndrome?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:03 PM (DUoqb)
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"I dunno what the heck happened to Rubio but he suddenly became radioactive to voters."
His attack dog and mocking routine didn't look very good.
His attack dog and mocking routine didn't look very good.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 03:03 PM (LA7Cm)
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My kid drew a lovely dog reading a book silhouette and I put it on a mug design
ITS FUNNY BECAUSE DOGS CANT READ BOOKS!!!
ITS FUNNY BECAUSE DOGS CANT READ BOOKS!!!
Posted by: Ben Roethliberger at March 09, 2016 03:03 PM (8ZskC)
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I hate returning to topic.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 03:01 PM (dFi94)
Let's stay off it then.
Do you use travel mugs? I find myself pouring a cup of coffee and then just bringing the mug with me into the car. I have two perfectly good travel mugs but I leave them in the cabinet and then have to drive with one hand because I can't put the mug down in any of my cupholders.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 03:01 PM (dFi94)
Let's stay off it then.
Do you use travel mugs? I find myself pouring a cup of coffee and then just bringing the mug with me into the car. I have two perfectly good travel mugs but I leave them in the cabinet and then have to drive with one hand because I can't put the mug down in any of my cupholders.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:04 PM (xuouz)
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Got it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:02 PM (xuouz)
I'm glad at least one of us "got it"
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:02 PM (xuouz)
I'm glad at least one of us "got it"
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 03:04 PM (WVsWD)
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I get the impression that the GOPe has bailed on Rubio as the Trump slayer, for some reason. I don't know why but his support has just vanished. They seem to be leaning Cruz for some reason, but maybe they've just gone to Kasich.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 03:04 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:04 PM (qCMvj)
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225 Well, we'll see if this is true. My guess is Rubio stays in anyway because ego, but if he really thinks he gets a 3-4 place outcome in Florida, that ego might make him step out.
I dunno what the heck happened to Rubio but he suddenly became radioactive to voters.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 03:00 PM (39g3+)
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Him going vulgar. With Trump it's baked in the cake, with Rubio it was something different than his persona. Trump even said last night that Rubio can't do that type of stuff and come out looking good.
I dunno what the heck happened to Rubio but he suddenly became radioactive to voters.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 03:00 PM (39g3+)
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Him going vulgar. With Trump it's baked in the cake, with Rubio it was something different than his persona. Trump even said last night that Rubio can't do that type of stuff and come out looking good.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 03:04 PM (LXJ1e)
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Rush talking about the RNC changing something called Rule 40, requiring the nominee to have won outright the delegates in 8 states.
Says, they're going to try and change that to fuck up Trump.
Do that and I will forever be in the Fuck. You. War.
Let. It. Burn. camp.
Says, they're going to try and change that to fuck up Trump.
Do that and I will forever be in the Fuck. You. War.
Let. It. Burn. camp.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 09, 2016 03:04 PM (kDUUX)
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If Rubio does drop out before the Florida vote will the White Nationalists in Florida stick with Trump or will they switch to the white Cuban?
Posted by: RioBravo at March 09, 2016 03:05 PM (NUqwG)
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some guy on fox just said Jeb! is meeting with Cruz and Kasich tomorrow...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:04 PM (qCMvj)
No biggie, I mean someone has to bring the cold cuts and soda right?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:04 PM (qCMvj)
No biggie, I mean someone has to bring the cold cuts and soda right?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:05 PM (DUoqb)
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I can't put the mug down in any of my cupholders.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:04 PM (xuouz)
Take the empty travel mugs out to the car. They'll be there when you need em.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:04 PM (xuouz)
Take the empty travel mugs out to the car. They'll be there when you need em.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 03:05 PM (WVsWD)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 09, 2016 03:05 PM (kDUUX)
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"I dunno what the heck happened to Rubio but he suddenly became radioactive to voters."
His attack dog and mocking routine didn't look very good.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 03:03 PM (LA7Cm)
The first night you're like "wow this is amazing."
The second night you're like "how did she get this good at sucking dick?
You know?
His attack dog and mocking routine didn't look very good.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 03:03 PM (LA7Cm)
The first night you're like "wow this is amazing."
The second night you're like "how did she get this good at sucking dick?
You know?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:05 PM (xuouz)
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... I curse like i have turrets syndrome?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:03 PM (DUoqb)
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Is that where your barrel spins around uncontrollably??
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:03 PM (DUoqb)
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Is that where your barrel spins around uncontrollably??
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 03:06 PM (8XRCm)
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some guy on fox just said Jeb! is meeting with Cruz and Kasich tomorrow...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:04 PM (qCMvj)
Well, unless he's selling them Amway he's urging them both to stick it out until the convention.
some guy on fox just said Jeb! is meeting with Cruz and Kasich tomorrow...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:04 PM (qCMvj)
Well, unless he's selling them Amway he's urging them both to stick it out until the convention.
Posted by: joncelli at March 09, 2016 03:06 PM (RD7QR)
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Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:04 PM (xuouz)
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Unfortunately, I am old and apt to pee in the car so no, I do not use travel mugs. I do however go thru the drive-thru at Culvers and get their milkshakes. Milkshakes take longer.
What? TMI?
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Unfortunately, I am old and apt to pee in the car so no, I do not use travel mugs. I do however go thru the drive-thru at Culvers and get their milkshakes. Milkshakes take longer.
What? TMI?
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 03:06 PM (dFi94)
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Ghost of kari,
Please tell me the reason why you think Trump will beat Hillary despite all the empirical data stating the exact opposite?
And please no stories about how the toothless guy you met at the gas station said he was a Democrat but is going to vote Trump.
It's not just polling against Hillary, Trump's negatives are sky high across the board. A majority pf people hate the guy.
Are all of these people lying poll after poll or are all the pollsters in on some conspiracy?
Please tell me the reason why you think Trump will beat Hillary despite all the empirical data stating the exact opposite?
And please no stories about how the toothless guy you met at the gas station said he was a Democrat but is going to vote Trump.
It's not just polling against Hillary, Trump's negatives are sky high across the board. A majority pf people hate the guy.
Are all of these people lying poll after poll or are all the pollsters in on some conspiracy?
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:07 PM (R6NO9)
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The National Film Board of Canada, the countrys public filmmaker, has promised half the movies it finances will be directed by women.
But But But i thought quotas are bad? berry Berry bad?
But But But i thought quotas are bad? berry Berry bad?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:07 PM (DUoqb)
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Even if Rubio were to win Florida would he have a chance in any other states? Does he really think that pulling one out is going to revitalize a campaign that has tumbled into Jeb!-ian territory over the last couple of weeks?
Winning Florida would be like rolling a natural 20 on your 3rd death saving throw and popping back up with one hit point only to realize that you're still surrounded by two ogres and a hobgoblin.
Winning Florida would be like rolling a natural 20 on your 3rd death saving throw and popping back up with one hit point only to realize that you're still surrounded by two ogres and a hobgoblin.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 09, 2016 03:07 PM (JxMoP)
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Is that where your barrel spins around uncontrollably??
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 03:06 PM (8XRCm)
no that's where you spell like a 3rd Grader
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 03:06 PM (8XRCm)
no that's where you spell like a 3rd Grader
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:07 PM (DUoqb)
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Trump schlonging Hillary won't be like Rick Lazio when Hillary ran for Senate. Back then she was made sympathetic for staying with Bill for the national good. A victim, don't you know.
Trump is an equal opportunity offender. And Hillary isn't human, let alone a woman.
Sure, older women will go crazy but that's it. Young women already dislike Hillary and will even more when Trump gets through with her.
Trump is an equal opportunity offender. And Hillary isn't human, let alone a woman.
Sure, older women will go crazy but that's it. Young women already dislike Hillary and will even more when Trump gets through with her.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 09, 2016 03:07 PM (r1fLd)
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Rush talking about the RNC changing something called Rule 40, requiring the nominee to have won outright the delegates in 8 states.
Oh god, I just hope they don't invoke Rule 8.
Oh god, I just hope they don't invoke Rule 8.
Posted by: The Guy Who's Really Afraid of Rule 8 at March 09, 2016 03:07 PM (8ZskC)
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Do you use travel mugs? I find myself pouring a cup of coffee and then
just bringing the mug with me into the car. I have two perfectly good
travel mugs but I leave them in the cabinet and then have to drive with
one hand because I can't put the mug down in any of my cupholders.
Great David Thorne imitation. Missing Missy was hilarious unless you're a cat lover.
just bringing the mug with me into the car. I have two perfectly good
travel mugs but I leave them in the cabinet and then have to drive with
one hand because I can't put the mug down in any of my cupholders.
Great David Thorne imitation. Missing Missy was hilarious unless you're a cat lover.
Posted by: Hadoop at March 09, 2016 03:08 PM (2X7pN)
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"Do that and I will forever be in the Fuck. You. War.
Let. It. Burn. camp. "
You know this is the kind of shit they'll pull. Shame? They has none.
Let. It. Burn. camp. "
You know this is the kind of shit they'll pull. Shame? They has none.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 03:08 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: joncelli at March 09, 2016 03:08 PM (RD7QR)
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His attack dog and mocking routine didn't look very good.
I wonder. I mean, people don't watch debates or care about them much but that being repeated gleefully over and over in the hopes it hurt Trump, I think out of context it just made him look like a mean spirited jerk and unpresidential. I think it probably did hurt him with the core of his supporters: "such a nice boy, so clean cut"
I wonder. I mean, people don't watch debates or care about them much but that being repeated gleefully over and over in the hopes it hurt Trump, I think out of context it just made him look like a mean spirited jerk and unpresidential. I think it probably did hurt him with the core of his supporters: "such a nice boy, so clean cut"
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 03:09 PM (39g3+)
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No biggie, I mean someone has to bring the cold cuts and soda right?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:05 PM (DUoqb)
prolly trying to figure out who to endorse
how hard is it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:05 PM (DUoqb)
prolly trying to figure out who to endorse
how hard is it
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:09 PM (qCMvj)
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Who from the establishment has endorsed him?
Why would anyone think he would be the chosen one when they could put anyone in?
Everyone in the establishment hates Cruz. He will never be the nominee.
Posted by: jwest at March 09, 2016 02:58 PM (Zs4uk)
The establishment hates Trump at least as much as they do Cruz, by most indications, probably more. They didn't get Romney out to give an "Anybody but Trump" speech after all.
More importantly, if Trump's success so far (and the corresponding cold candidate corpses of Bush, etc.) has shown anything, the anti-establishment meme is overshadowing this election on the R side.
I don't see the establishment supporting Trump or Cruz. I think we get through the convention and all GOP support becomes all about down ticket races.
That leaves us with voters. I can see Trump voters switching to Cruz in opposition to Hillary as more likely than the Cruz folks turning out for Trump.
Why would anyone think he would be the chosen one when they could put anyone in?
Everyone in the establishment hates Cruz. He will never be the nominee.
Posted by: jwest at March 09, 2016 02:58 PM (Zs4uk)
The establishment hates Trump at least as much as they do Cruz, by most indications, probably more. They didn't get Romney out to give an "Anybody but Trump" speech after all.
More importantly, if Trump's success so far (and the corresponding cold candidate corpses of Bush, etc.) has shown anything, the anti-establishment meme is overshadowing this election on the R side.
I don't see the establishment supporting Trump or Cruz. I think we get through the convention and all GOP support becomes all about down ticket races.
That leaves us with voters. I can see Trump voters switching to Cruz in opposition to Hillary as more likely than the Cruz folks turning out for Trump.
Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2016 03:09 PM (XItbt)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:09 PM (DUoqb)
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Oh god, I just hope they don't invoke Rule 8.
Posted by: The Guy Who's Really Afraid of Rule 8
"What's Rule 8?"
"You don't want to know what Rule 8 is."
Posted by: The Guy Who's Really Afraid of Rule 8
"What's Rule 8?"
"You don't want to know what Rule 8 is."
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 09, 2016 03:10 PM (F0oRd)
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Trump is going to crush Hillary. Romney lost because his persona was more important than actually winning the presidency. Trump cares about winning, and he will steamroll Hillary. Cruz will be Romney Part 2. No thank you.
Posted by: rightwingva at March 09, 2016 03:10 PM (12N38)
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Please tell me the reason why you think Trump will beat Hillary despite all the empirical data stating the exact opposite?
And please no stories about how the toothless guy you met at the gas station said he was a Democrat but is going to vote Trump.
It's not just polling against Hillary, Trump's negatives are sky high across the board. A majority pf people hate the guy.
Are all of these people lying poll after poll or are all the pollsters in on some conspiracy?
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:07 PM (R6NO9)
I understand your aversion to analysis by anecdote. I do think you're keeping blinders on if you don't take a look at his candidacy from more than one angle.
Why aren't we seeing those negatives sink him in the primaries?
What do you think of Trump's success with minorities so far?
How are you factoring in voter enthusiasm and participation by historical non-voters?
And why can't those numbers change between now and November?
And please no stories about how the toothless guy you met at the gas station said he was a Democrat but is going to vote Trump.
It's not just polling against Hillary, Trump's negatives are sky high across the board. A majority pf people hate the guy.
Are all of these people lying poll after poll or are all the pollsters in on some conspiracy?
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:07 PM (R6NO9)
I understand your aversion to analysis by anecdote. I do think you're keeping blinders on if you don't take a look at his candidacy from more than one angle.
Why aren't we seeing those negatives sink him in the primaries?
What do you think of Trump's success with minorities so far?
How are you factoring in voter enthusiasm and participation by historical non-voters?
And why can't those numbers change between now and November?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:10 PM (xuouz)
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185 Other than the head to head poll what on earth makes everyone think Hillary is so inevitable?
I'm not discounting it, I'm just asking for another data point.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 02:52 PM (xuouz)
1. Demographics/LIV's
2. Media Bias
3. Voter Fraud
*My opinion is that barring a stroke or significant health issue, or the increasingly unlikely indictment, Hillary stands a better than 50% chance of winning.
**My opinion also is that any republican will need to overcome at least 2 of the above 3 bullet points to have a chance to win. Trump I think has the best shot. He might be able to overcome LIV's because many of the LIV's will follow him. He can and has overcome media bias. The media does not know how to handle him. He cannot overcome voter fraud. Cruz can and has overcome media bias, when they deign to provide him coverage. He cannot overcome LIV's and he cannot overcome voter fraud.
I'm not discounting it, I'm just asking for another data point.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 02:52 PM (xuouz)
1. Demographics/LIV's
2. Media Bias
3. Voter Fraud
*My opinion is that barring a stroke or significant health issue, or the increasingly unlikely indictment, Hillary stands a better than 50% chance of winning.
**My opinion also is that any republican will need to overcome at least 2 of the above 3 bullet points to have a chance to win. Trump I think has the best shot. He might be able to overcome LIV's because many of the LIV's will follow him. He can and has overcome media bias. The media does not know how to handle him. He cannot overcome voter fraud. Cruz can and has overcome media bias, when they deign to provide him coverage. He cannot overcome LIV's and he cannot overcome voter fraud.
Posted by: Sambo at March 09, 2016 03:10 PM (CwNIZ)
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POR FIN!!!!
Posted by: Myshiba at March 09, 2016 03:10 PM (4qOWG)
Posted by: dan quayle at March 09, 2016 03:11 PM (IQI2h)
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213 Anyone who says they know where all this lunacy is headed is talking out of their ass. Stock up on booze, guns, ammo, and pornography is my advise-----Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 02:57 PM (DUoqb)
TOILET PAPER! Either that or get good at catching bunnies.
TOILET PAPER! Either that or get good at catching bunnies.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at March 09, 2016 03:11 PM (+aCe4)
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Oh god, I just hope they don't invoke Rule 8.
Posted by: The Guy Who's Really Afraid of Rule 8 at March 09, 2016 03:07 PM (8ZskC)
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THAT would be cool.
Leadership match to the death.
~Kevin Costner
Posted by: The Guy Who's Really Afraid of Rule 8 at March 09, 2016 03:07 PM (8ZskC)
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THAT would be cool.
Leadership match to the death.
~Kevin Costner
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 03:11 PM (8XRCm)
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Trump is going to crush Hillary. Romney lost because his persona was more important than actually winning the presidency. Trump cares about winning, and he will steamroll Hillary. Cruz will be Romney Part 2. No thank you.
Posted by: rightwingva
Wow, such a well-thought thesis
I guess it's slightly better than "Trump will win because he's a winner!"
Posted by: rightwingva
Wow, such a well-thought thesis
I guess it's slightly better than "Trump will win because he's a winner!"
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:11 PM (R6NO9)
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Is rule 8 like order 66?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:11 PM (xuouz)
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The first night you're like "wow this is amazing."
The second night you're like "how did she get this good at sucking dick?
You know?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:05 PM (xuouz)
Ha. I am setting aside 5 things I disagree with you about and giving you a pass on 3 other things for this comment.
The second night you're like "how did she get this good at sucking dick?
You know?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:05 PM (xuouz)
Ha. I am setting aside 5 things I disagree with you about and giving you a pass on 3 other things for this comment.
Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2016 03:11 PM (XItbt)
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68---I know I have harped on Trump's horrible and historically low unfavorability rating. That said, Republican turnout has been record breaking while Democrat turnout for Stalin and Marx has been limp at best.
Does that really change in the general against Trump?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:31 PM (p4UlV)
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IMO, it changes greatly.
I would expect a lower-than-normal turn out for Republicans, given the relatively high numbers that can't stand Trump. Many of them will sit it out.
But I would expect good Dem turn out since they will be excited to vote against the eeeevil Trump.
Flamboyant candidates inspire opposition.
Does that really change in the general against Trump?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 02:31 PM (p4UlV)
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IMO, it changes greatly.
I would expect a lower-than-normal turn out for Republicans, given the relatively high numbers that can't stand Trump. Many of them will sit it out.
But I would expect good Dem turn out since they will be excited to vote against the eeeevil Trump.
Flamboyant candidates inspire opposition.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 09, 2016 03:11 PM (T/5A0)
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Goofus contests every state even when he has no longer has any real chance of winning.
Gallant bows out gracefully once it is clear that all he can be is a spoiler to the better candidates.
Gallant bows out gracefully once it is clear that all he can be is a spoiler to the better candidates.
Posted by: Highlights for Politicians at March 09, 2016 03:12 PM (8ZskC)
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" I think it probably did hurt him with the core of his supporters: "such a nice boy, so clean cut"
Yes, I think that was part of it. He was above the arguing, mature, thoughtful......and then whammo he's rolling around in the mud and not really accomplishing anything.
Yes, I think that was part of it. He was above the arguing, mature, thoughtful......and then whammo he's rolling around in the mud and not really accomplishing anything.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 03:12 PM (LA7Cm)
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"Why would anyone think he would be the chosen one when they could put anyone in?
Everyone in the establishment hates Cruz. He will never be the nominee.
Posted by: jwest"
I agree with that, but I guess Cruz figures that 1 on 1 is his only shot at 1237, albeit a longshot. He probably also figures that a Trump nom would be better for him than a Rubio nom since Trump will lose and he will be set up for 2020. Think Christie hugging Obama in 2012.
Everyone in the establishment hates Cruz. He will never be the nominee.
Posted by: jwest"
I agree with that, but I guess Cruz figures that 1 on 1 is his only shot at 1237, albeit a longshot. He probably also figures that a Trump nom would be better for him than a Rubio nom since Trump will lose and he will be set up for 2020. Think Christie hugging Obama in 2012.
Posted by: Benji Carver at March 09, 2016 03:12 PM (OD2ni)
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Rubio gets out pre FLA.
Think about it. Rubio can't run for senate, and if he loses his home state to Trump, how does he make a plausible run for governor? How does he not risk being seen as the opportunistic idiot whose ego delivered Trump the nomination?
Rather than risk humiliation, Rubio will play the honorable Republican hero, willing to heroically throw himself on the grenade in order to save the party from Trump.
Think about it. Rubio can't run for senate, and if he loses his home state to Trump, how does he make a plausible run for governor? How does he not risk being seen as the opportunistic idiot whose ego delivered Trump the nomination?
Rather than risk humiliation, Rubio will play the honorable Republican hero, willing to heroically throw himself on the grenade in order to save the party from Trump.
Posted by: AtlasMugged at March 09, 2016 03:13 PM (K1eTv)
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When is the next debate? Thursday?
Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 09, 2016 03:13 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:13 PM (qCMvj)
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Wow, such a well-thought thesis
I guess it's slightly better than "Trump will win because he's a winner!"
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:11 PM (R6NO9)
Let me try another insufficiently mathematical thesis on you.
People will vote for the person who gives them hope and makes them feel good, not the censorious scold who goes back endlessly to the identity politics well.
I guess it's slightly better than "Trump will win because he's a winner!"
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:11 PM (R6NO9)
Let me try another insufficiently mathematical thesis on you.
People will vote for the person who gives them hope and makes them feel good, not the censorious scold who goes back endlessly to the identity politics well.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:13 PM (xuouz)
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Other than the head to head poll what on earth makes everyone think Hillary is so inevitable?
If Trump is NOT on the ballot, Hillary just might be inevitable....in my book, at least She will never get my direct vote but..... TRUMP is the only one who will receive my vote in November....ALL other candidates belong to the establishment.....end of story! {Hey folks, it's not that hard to understand!]
If Trump is NOT on the ballot, Hillary just might be inevitable....in my book, at least She will never get my direct vote but..... TRUMP is the only one who will receive my vote in November....ALL other candidates belong to the establishment.....end of story! {Hey folks, it's not that hard to understand!]
Posted by: Myshiba at March 09, 2016 03:13 PM (4qOWG)
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Im guilty, Rear Adm. Rick Williams told investigators as soon as he was confronted in January about spending hours looking at pornography on a Defense Department computer.
Relieved on Jan. 9, 2016, as commander of Carrier Strike Group 15, Williams admitted to viewing explicit photos and videos multiple times for as long as nine hours while underway on the amphibious assault ship Boxer in 2015, according to a command investigation released Tuesday.
Sigh.
Relieved on Jan. 9, 2016, as commander of Carrier Strike Group 15, Williams admitted to viewing explicit photos and videos multiple times for as long as nine hours while underway on the amphibious assault ship Boxer in 2015, according to a command investigation released Tuesday.
Sigh.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:13 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at March 09, 2016 03:14 PM (qul7b)
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281 Trump is going to crush Hillary. Romney lost because his persona was more important than actually winning the presidency. Trump cares about winning, and he will steamroll Hillary. Cruz will be Romney Part 2. No thank you.
Posted by: rightwingva
Wow, such a well-thought thesis
I guess it's slightly better than "Trump will win because he's a winner!"
----Yeah, not as analytical as "the poll says, the poll says, the poll says". Yep, you got me. Last election you were Romney's #1 fanboy, weren't you?
Posted by: rightwingva
Wow, such a well-thought thesis
I guess it's slightly better than "Trump will win because he's a winner!"
----Yeah, not as analytical as "the poll says, the poll says, the poll says". Yep, you got me. Last election you were Romney's #1 fanboy, weren't you?
Posted by: rightwingva at March 09, 2016 03:14 PM (12N38)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 09, 2016 03:14 PM (8ZskC)
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"So what is the plan for Cruz victory then?"
Cruz / Rubio.
Cuban twin powers, activate! Form of unity ticket.
I don't like it, but that is only path I see.
Cruz / Rubio.
Cuban twin powers, activate! Form of unity ticket.
I don't like it, but that is only path I see.
Posted by: wooga at March 09, 2016 03:14 PM (zqqpJ)
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Oh god, I just hope they don't invoke Rule 8.
Posted by: The Guy Who's Really Afraid of Rule 8
"What's Rule 8?"
"You don't want to know what Rule 8 is.-----"DoublySymmetric
I am more scared of Rule 7
Posted by: The Guy Who's Really Afraid of Rule 8
"What's Rule 8?"
"You don't want to know what Rule 8 is.-----"DoublySymmetric
I am more scared of Rule 7
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at March 09, 2016 03:14 PM (m3iiU)
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That leaves us with voters. I can see Trump voters switching to Cruz in opposition to Hillary as more likely than the Cruz folks turning out for Trump.
Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2016 03:09 PM (XItbt)
Trump voters won't have the option of switching to Cruz if the convention goes to a second ballot.
Kasich, Rubio, Jeb! or someone out of the blue, but certainly, definitely not Cruz.
Hopefully, Ace has completed his research, called his internet Wizard brothers and figured out that the folks calling the convention shots won't go for Cruz.
Once he tells you, you'll believe it.
Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2016 03:09 PM (XItbt)
Trump voters won't have the option of switching to Cruz if the convention goes to a second ballot.
Kasich, Rubio, Jeb! or someone out of the blue, but certainly, definitely not Cruz.
Hopefully, Ace has completed his research, called his internet Wizard brothers and figured out that the folks calling the convention shots won't go for Cruz.
Once he tells you, you'll believe it.
Posted by: jwest at March 09, 2016 03:14 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:14 PM (qCMvj)
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The Establishment is out?!?!? The Establishment is out?!?!?!
Posted by: Astounded Reporter at March 09, 2016 03:14 PM (rznWS)
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Fistbumps for Damiano.
Sometimes I feel like I'm going to far, and then I hit post anyway.
Something about Marco is just... yep.
Sometimes I feel like I'm going to far, and then I hit post anyway.
Something about Marco is just... yep.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:15 PM (xuouz)
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Tomorrow 9 delegates up in the Virgin Islands.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:13 PM (qCMvj)
I love virgins! They're beautiful people. I get along with them very well... and I think you know what I mean.
I've got this locked.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:13 PM (qCMvj)
I love virgins! They're beautiful people. I get along with them very well... and I think you know what I mean.
I've got this locked.
Posted by: Damiano at March 09, 2016 03:15 PM (XItbt)
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It's not just polling against Hillary, Trump's negatives are sky high across the board. A majority pf people hate the guy.
Who ARE these people?
Because they AREN'T voting against him in the primaries.
So just who are they? People that would never vote for him to begin with?
Who ARE these people?
Because they AREN'T voting against him in the primaries.
So just who are they? People that would never vote for him to begin with?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 09, 2016 03:15 PM (kDUUX)
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Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at March 09, 2016 03:14 PM (m3iiU)
Don't say that about yourself Tilikum. You're more than a 6 in my book.
Don't say that about yourself Tilikum. You're more than a 6 in my book.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:15 PM (xuouz)
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All of us at the Brattleboro Women's and Gay/Lesbian Reproductive Health Clinic that Presdent Obama should pass a law that all persons of color will get two votes compared to persons of no color so that all the years that persons of no color have been harming persons of color can get some payback. Also for all the horrible things Bush did to persons of color and persons of some color.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 09, 2016 03:15 PM (KRuzk)
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293 Wow,he has lots of stamina.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 03:15 PM (B48dK)
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I just got a phone call from Hugh Hewitt. He wanted to know if I knew who this helped.
"Well, certainly not Rubio," I answered.
"Well, certainly not Rubio," I answered.
Posted by: Qoheleth at March 09, 2016 03:15 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 03:15 PM (8XRCm)
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This I don't get:
http://bit.ly/1UT9B8O
Why would the GOPe/donor class/etc. try and clear things out for Cruz? Isn't it just as likely that Jeb!* is convincing them to stay in the race to force the open convention and get their preferred candidates in?
*I don't know how to make the upside down exclamation point.
http://bit.ly/1UT9B8O
Why would the GOPe/donor class/etc. try and clear things out for Cruz? Isn't it just as likely that Jeb!* is convincing them to stay in the race to force the open convention and get their preferred candidates in?
*I don't know how to make the upside down exclamation point.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 09, 2016 03:16 PM (F0oRd)
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I am more scared of Rule 7
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at March 09, 2016 03:14 PM (m3iiU)
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7. Any Clansman may challenge for leadership of the Clan.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at March 09, 2016 03:14 PM (m3iiU)
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7. Any Clansman may challenge for leadership of the Clan.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 09, 2016 03:16 PM (8XRCm)
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next debate
MARCH 10, 2016
Miami, Florida
Sponsors: CNN, Salem Media Group, The Washington Times
Location: University of Miami
Aired On: CNN
next debate
MARCH 10, 2016
Miami, Florida
Sponsors: CNN, Salem Media Group, The Washington Times
Location: University of Miami
Aired On: CNN
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:16 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 03:16 PM (LA7Cm)
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Sure, maybe it won't help Cruz win Florida if Rubio drops out now, but it might help him win other states that have primaries on March 15.
Posted by: Laugh it up, Fuzzball! at March 09, 2016 03:17 PM (Es7YA)
Posted by: Qoheleth at March 09, 2016 03:17 PM (iIzG7)
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Iran waving their nuclear wannabe dick around.
Imbecilic veep meeting with a terrorist fuck that praised another terrorist fuck for killing an American.
Presidential election that has a traitorous bitch and a socialist bum.
Huh.
*continues to expand bugout kit*
Imbecilic veep meeting with a terrorist fuck that praised another terrorist fuck for killing an American.
Presidential election that has a traitorous bitch and a socialist bum.
Huh.
*continues to expand bugout kit*
Posted by: SMFH at March 09, 2016 03:18 PM (rlfds)
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All of us at the Brattleboro Women's and Gay/Lesbian Reproductive Health Clinic that Presdent Obama should pass a law that all persons of color will get two votes compared to persons of no color so that all the years that persons of no color have been harming persons of color can get some payback. Also for all the horrible things Bush did to persons of color and persons of some color.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 09, 2016 03:15 PM (KRuzk)
Orange scores 2.5
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 09, 2016 03:15 PM (KRuzk)
Orange scores 2.5
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:18 PM (qCMvj)
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I guess it's slightly better than "Trump will win because he's a winner!"
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:11 PM (R6NO9)
That itself was nice change from Trump will win because he's winning.
Let's not kid ourselves, if Trump was leading Hillary by 20 we wouldn't be hearing anything about the unreliability of Mach polls.
And people who don't like Trump might not be thrilled with him, but if he was on track for winning easily the White House instead of being on track for possibly losing the House of Reps, we'd reluctantly accept him.
But things are what they are, and unfortunately like on everything else people who support Trump just inhabit their own reality in which all things serve Trump.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:11 PM (R6NO9)
That itself was nice change from Trump will win because he's winning.
Let's not kid ourselves, if Trump was leading Hillary by 20 we wouldn't be hearing anything about the unreliability of Mach polls.
And people who don't like Trump might not be thrilled with him, but if he was on track for winning easily the White House instead of being on track for possibly losing the House of Reps, we'd reluctantly accept him.
But things are what they are, and unfortunately like on everything else people who support Trump just inhabit their own reality in which all things serve Trump.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 03:18 PM (74ZYB)
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Winning Florida would be like rolling a natural 20 on your 3rd death saving throw and popping back up with one hit point only to realize that you're still surrounded by two ogres and a hobgoblin.
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You were a virgin well into your twenties, weren't you?
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You were a virgin well into your twenties, weren't you?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 09, 2016 03:19 PM (kTF2Z)
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Relieved on Jan. 9, 2016, as commander of Carrier Strike Group 15, Williams admitted to viewing explicit photos and videos multiple times for as long as nine hours while underway on the amphibious assault ship Boxer in 2015
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Only in the position since June - a very brief command.
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Only in the position since June - a very brief command.
Posted by: RioBravo at March 09, 2016 03:19 PM (NUqwG)
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I don't mean to pile on with the dickishness in a bad time,
I don't understand those words in that order.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 02:31 PM (mf5HN)
Word.
I don't understand those words in that order.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 02:31 PM (mf5HN)
Word.
Posted by: physics geek at March 09, 2016 03:19 PM (MT22W)
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Next Tuesday is make or break it day.
no sleep for the remaining 4
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:14 PM (qCMvj)
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I just hope we get a clear nominee, so we can put all this primary-bashing behind us, and move on to the Republican nominee bashing. I so enjoyed it last time around. I hope this election cycle is even more shrill, with extra shrieking.
no sleep for the remaining 4
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:14 PM (qCMvj)
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I just hope we get a clear nominee, so we can put all this primary-bashing behind us, and move on to the Republican nominee bashing. I so enjoyed it last time around. I hope this election cycle is even more shrill, with extra shrieking.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 03:19 PM (dFi94)
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Why aren't we seeing those negatives sink him in the primaries?
What do you think of Trump's success with minorities so far?
How are you factoring in voter enthusiasm and participation by historical non-voters?
And why can't those numbers change between now and November?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane
Most of this is Urban Legend spread around by Trump supporters and primaries are not good the same as a general election audience.
In many cases, Bernie Sanders is capturing more total votes that Trump is in the GOP primary. Does that mean the country wants a Soviet Union-loving Commie? No? then why does Bernie continue to do so well in the primary? Do you see how this feedback loop works?
Extrapolating much from a primary is silly. Most of Trump's support is a middle finger to DC Republicans. I understand that, but middle fingers don't become President.
people want to make a statement, and that statement will lose in front of voters.
What do you think of Trump's success with minorities so far?
How are you factoring in voter enthusiasm and participation by historical non-voters?
And why can't those numbers change between now and November?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane
Most of this is Urban Legend spread around by Trump supporters and primaries are not good the same as a general election audience.
In many cases, Bernie Sanders is capturing more total votes that Trump is in the GOP primary. Does that mean the country wants a Soviet Union-loving Commie? No? then why does Bernie continue to do so well in the primary? Do you see how this feedback loop works?
Extrapolating much from a primary is silly. Most of Trump's support is a middle finger to DC Republicans. I understand that, but middle fingers don't become President.
people want to make a statement, and that statement will lose in front of voters.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:20 PM (R6NO9)
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It's funny how Cruz supporters are so delusional to keep thinking that if Marco drops out, then voters will RUSH to Cruz automatically. So funny. Apparently Marco supporter = Cruz supporter.
Posted by: rightwingva at March 09, 2016 03:20 PM (12N38)
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"Please tell me the reason why you think Trump will beat Hillary despite all the empirical data stating the exact opposite? "
Where is all this empirical data? You seem to be focusing solely on a few small polls taken during the heights of a strongly contested primary for an event 8 months away. Even then, its an avg of only 6 points.
I understand his numbers are not the best here but I fail to see how people give this data such high credibility when everything else has gone out the window.
Where is all this empirical data? You seem to be focusing solely on a few small polls taken during the heights of a strongly contested primary for an event 8 months away. Even then, its an avg of only 6 points.
I understand his numbers are not the best here but I fail to see how people give this data such high credibility when everything else has gone out the window.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 03:20 PM (WnCSK)
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Ace, it is no doubt 100% better that Rubio gets out. It might be the difference between Trump winning 2 states and 5, and I am writing off Florida in saying that.
Without Rubio, I am confident Cruz will win St. Louis County/St. Charles county by big spreads, which I am guessing will be important in cancelling out the rural trends, especially in the south/southwest part of the state.
What we have from Illinois suggests the odd of Trump winning are much higher with Rubio splitting the vote. Illinois and Missouri are right where the territory Trump is winning collides with where Cruz does well.
I'm local and biased, but all this obsession over what gives you a 5% chance of Florida vs. 0 percent is missing the point completely at this stage.
Without Rubio, I am confident Cruz will win St. Louis County/St. Charles county by big spreads, which I am guessing will be important in cancelling out the rural trends, especially in the south/southwest part of the state.
What we have from Illinois suggests the odd of Trump winning are much higher with Rubio splitting the vote. Illinois and Missouri are right where the territory Trump is winning collides with where Cruz does well.
I'm local and biased, but all this obsession over what gives you a 5% chance of Florida vs. 0 percent is missing the point completely at this stage.
Posted by: Dave S. at March 09, 2016 03:20 PM (uHiz2)
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"..meanwhile, the reptilian Cruz quietly flickers his tongue, testing the air... "
My millenial secretary told me she would vote for Trump ("he's funny") or Rubio ("he's cute."). When I asked about Cruz, she said: "Ew, he's creepy. No way." Anecdotal, but I suspect her reaction to Cruz is not uncommon.
My millenial secretary told me she would vote for Trump ("he's funny") or Rubio ("he's cute."). When I asked about Cruz, she said: "Ew, he's creepy. No way." Anecdotal, but I suspect her reaction to Cruz is not uncommon.
Posted by: Benji Carver at March 09, 2016 03:21 PM (OD2ni)
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If the Admiral was banging a dude instead of looking at porn he wouldn't have been relieved.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 03:21 PM (B48dK)
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Let's not kid ourselves, if Trump was leading Hillary by 20 we wouldn't be hearing anything about the unreliability of Mach polls.
But things are what they are, and unfortunately like on everything else people who support Trump just inhabit their own reality in which all things serve Trump.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 03:18 PM (74ZYB)
If we're not kidding ourselves, how about leaving the polls alone entirely, since it's gauche when Trump waves the good ones in everyone's face, but they're you're ultimate Trump card when they show him losing to Hillary.
It's the fact that you're giddy that Hillary could hand the man a loss, and want to rub that in my face, rather than having something to say about what you'd like to see done about it, that gets my back up.
What are Trump's strengths, to you? Or are you so worked up over hating him that your answer can only be "well I can tell when he's lying" or some shit.
What could or would convince you to vote for him?
But things are what they are, and unfortunately like on everything else people who support Trump just inhabit their own reality in which all things serve Trump.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 03:18 PM (74ZYB)
If we're not kidding ourselves, how about leaving the polls alone entirely, since it's gauche when Trump waves the good ones in everyone's face, but they're you're ultimate Trump card when they show him losing to Hillary.
It's the fact that you're giddy that Hillary could hand the man a loss, and want to rub that in my face, rather than having something to say about what you'd like to see done about it, that gets my back up.
What are Trump's strengths, to you? Or are you so worked up over hating him that your answer can only be "well I can tell when he's lying" or some shit.
What could or would convince you to vote for him?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:22 PM (xuouz)
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Winning Florida would be like rolling a natural 20 on your 3rd death saving throw and popping back up with one hit point only to realize that you're still surrounded by two ogres and a hobgoblin.
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You were a virgin well into your twenties, weren't you?
Posted by: Duke Lowell
Were?
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You were a virgin well into your twenties, weren't you?
Posted by: Duke Lowell
Were?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 09, 2016 03:22 PM (kDUUX)
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J.J. Sefton, I would love to see how many are dems crossing over to help us pick our candidate and ultimately put a dem in office.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at March 09, 2016 03:22 PM (m3iiU)
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If the Admiral was banging a dude instead of looking at porn he wouldn't have been relieved.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 03:21 PM (B48dK)
Probably right.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 03:21 PM (B48dK)
Probably right.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:22 PM (DUoqb)
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I see GOPe is alive and well and telling us how dumb we are how wicked smart they are. So cute!
Posted by: rightwingva at March 09, 2016 03:22 PM (12N38)
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If the Admiral was banging a dude instead of looking at porn he wouldn't have been relieved.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 03:21 PM (B48dK)
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May have still been a release from command.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 03:21 PM (B48dK)
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May have still been a release from command.
Posted by: RioBravo at March 09, 2016 03:23 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 03:23 PM (qCMvj)
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"Please tell me the reason why you think Trump will beat Hillary despite all the empirical data stating the exact opposite?"
If asked do you like Trump I'd say no. If asked would I vote for him I'd say yes. There is a difference.
Trump has downside risk but can win by attracting new voters to the Republican ranks and so expand Romney's electoral map to include states like Ohio and could even challenge in New York.
If it's Hillary, he can drive up her negatives so that many of those who would never pull a Republican lever stay home. Every one that stays home is in effect half-a-vote for Trump.
If asked do you like Trump I'd say no. If asked would I vote for him I'd say yes. There is a difference.
Trump has downside risk but can win by attracting new voters to the Republican ranks and so expand Romney's electoral map to include states like Ohio and could even challenge in New York.
If it's Hillary, he can drive up her negatives so that many of those who would never pull a Republican lever stay home. Every one that stays home is in effect half-a-vote for Trump.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 09, 2016 03:23 PM (r1fLd)
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"Only in the position since June - a very brief command"
Hell of a thing to piss away so easily.
Hell of a thing to piss away so easily.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 03:23 PM (LA7Cm)
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You know who were really into D & D? The Wachovsky brothers, that's who! And look how they turned out.
You know who were really into D & D? The Wachovsky brothers, that's who! And look how they turned out.
Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 09, 2016 03:24 PM (iQIUe)
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332 J.J. Sefton, I would love to see how many are dems crossing over to help us pick our candidate and ultimately put a dem in office.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at March 09, 2016 03:22 PM (m3iiU)
--- Yep. Like the Marco Rubio! fanboys of Alexandria, Arlington, and the rest of northern Virginia.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at March 09, 2016 03:22 PM (m3iiU)
--- Yep. Like the Marco Rubio! fanboys of Alexandria, Arlington, and the rest of northern Virginia.
Posted by: rightwingva at March 09, 2016 03:24 PM (12N38)
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What that Admiral did is disgusting and shoul be jailed in Guamtonomo Bay Place in Cuba
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 09, 2016 03:24 PM (KRuzk)
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Heard Commissar Bernie talking this AM about how "the People's Revolution continues!" after his win in Michigan.
I wonder when he'll start wearing one of those hats with the little red star on it and offering field guidance to Ben Jerry's?
I wonder when he'll start wearing one of those hats with the little red star on it and offering field guidance to Ben Jerry's?
Posted by: tu3031 at March 09, 2016 03:24 PM (YFFpo)
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Am I the only one thrilled to finally have a two-man debate?
Ted will lay out a thirty-point plan for dealing with ISIS, citing Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, and FMFRP 12-15.
Trump will demand we torture children and then make a funny face, promise to look into where Syria is, and assure everyone he owns some of the finest, most luxurious maps in the world, ending on a high note by explaining that "brown people are difficult to shoot at night."
Ted will lay out a thirty-point plan for dealing with ISIS, citing Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, and FMFRP 12-15.
Trump will demand we torture children and then make a funny face, promise to look into where Syria is, and assure everyone he owns some of the finest, most luxurious maps in the world, ending on a high note by explaining that "brown people are difficult to shoot at night."
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 03:24 PM (74ZYB)
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I remain convinced that Trump has no intention of ascending to the presidency, even if he's elected, which he won't be due to Hillary's press advantage.
Being president would limit his cherished freedom to put big real estate deals together and then declare bankruptcy. Being trapped in the White House and actually having to work every day? No way.
This is just Trump with the ultimate ego stroke, jerking off right in America's face.
The Potemkin President. Or was that the Bukkake President?
Being president would limit his cherished freedom to put big real estate deals together and then declare bankruptcy. Being trapped in the White House and actually having to work every day? No way.
This is just Trump with the ultimate ego stroke, jerking off right in America's face.
The Potemkin President. Or was that the Bukkake President?
Posted by: Sharkman at March 09, 2016 03:24 PM (QWtgr)
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Most of Rubio's support will go to Trump.
I guarantee you after Rubio bows out, Trump support will go the highest it's ever been.
Cruz's support is almost exclusively SoCons and he turns off Republicans that aren't in that camp.
I guarantee you after Rubio bows out, Trump support will go the highest it's ever been.
Cruz's support is almost exclusively SoCons and he turns off Republicans that aren't in that camp.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:24 PM (R6NO9)
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293 Im guilty, Rear Adm. Rick Williams told investigators as soon as he was confronted in January about spending hours looking at pornography on a Defense Department computer.
Relieved on Jan. 9, 2016, as commander of Carrier Strike Group 15, Williams admitted to viewing explicit photos and videos multiple times for as long as nine hours while underway on the amphibious assault ship Boxer in 2015, according to a command investigation released Tuesday.
Sigh.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:13 PM (DUoqb)
Yeesh, I thought "guy who jerks off a lot" was pretty much the job description of an admiral.
Relieved on Jan. 9, 2016, as commander of Carrier Strike Group 15, Williams admitted to viewing explicit photos and videos multiple times for as long as nine hours while underway on the amphibious assault ship Boxer in 2015, according to a command investigation released Tuesday.
Sigh.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:13 PM (DUoqb)
Yeesh, I thought "guy who jerks off a lot" was pretty much the job description of an admiral.
Posted by: joncelli at March 09, 2016 03:24 PM (RD7QR)
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Bye bye little punk robot. Canada turd crud is next! Trump our next president!
Posted by: trump 1 at March 09, 2016 03:25 PM (IsaRw)
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If the Admiral was banging a dude instead of looking at porn he wouldn't have been relieved.--------steevy
BIGOT!
I am always welieved.
BIGOT!
I am always welieved.
Posted by: Barney Frank at March 09, 2016 03:25 PM (+aCe4)
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Winning Florida would be like rolling a natural 20 on your 3rd death saving throw and popping back up with one hit point only to realize that you're still surrounded by two ogres and a hobgoblin.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 09, 2016 03:07 PM (JxMoP)
At which point you cast Wind Walk and jet away. Or turn invisible. Or summon your dinosaur companion, who grapples an ogre long enough for you to pass through a square without taking the AOO. That's the difference between quitters and people who kill ogres.
Cruz won Texas, Rubio thinks he's a better fit for Florida than Cruz is. Even discounting his buddies in the Florida establishment, he's not wrong:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_FL_22516.pdf
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 09, 2016 03:07 PM (JxMoP)
At which point you cast Wind Walk and jet away. Or turn invisible. Or summon your dinosaur companion, who grapples an ogre long enough for you to pass through a square without taking the AOO. That's the difference between quitters and people who kill ogres.
Cruz won Texas, Rubio thinks he's a better fit for Florida than Cruz is. Even discounting his buddies in the Florida establishment, he's not wrong:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_FL_22516.pdf
Posted by: Caprica Trev at March 09, 2016 03:25 PM (MEHba)
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"Ted will lay out a thirty-point plan for dealing with ISIS, citing Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, and FMFRP 12-15."
Now if he can only attract a few more voters....
Now if he can only attract a few more voters....
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 03:25 PM (WnCSK)
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You were a virgin well into your twenties, weren't you?
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I'll have you know that I scored with many girls, but they all live in Canada so there's no way you would know them.
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I'll have you know that I scored with many girls, but they all live in Canada so there's no way you would know them.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 09, 2016 03:26 PM (JxMoP)
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The US State Departments John Kirby said Tuesday night that the US condemns in the strongest possible terms the outrageous terrorist attacks in Jaffa, Petah Tikvah and Jerusalem, which tragically claimed the life of US citizen Taylor Allen Force and left many others severely injured. Heartfelt condolences were extended to the family and friends of Taylor Allen Force and all those affected by these senseless attacks. We continue to encourage all parties to take affirmative steps to reduce tensions and reduce calm, the statement concluded.
The US statement omitted to utter the word Palestinian in its condemnation of the outrageous terrorist attack that claimed the life of a US combat veteran of Americas Iraqi and Afghanistan wars
Again the State Department blames "Both" sides and can't utter the words arab/pali/ect....scumbags
The US statement omitted to utter the word Palestinian in its condemnation of the outrageous terrorist attack that claimed the life of a US combat veteran of Americas Iraqi and Afghanistan wars
Again the State Department blames "Both" sides and can't utter the words arab/pali/ect....scumbags
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:26 PM (DUoqb)
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The Recruiting Sergeant for the 1st Special Chairborne Internet Eyeore Battalion has done a bang up job
I see at least an Arcom for the guy/gal/git.
I see at least an Arcom for the guy/gal/git.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 03:26 PM (WVsWD)
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Posted by: Benji Carver at March 09, 2016 03:21 PM (OD2ni)
Hopefully she's cute and her also that her secretarial skills are higher than the shallow level of her political reasoning. On the other hand, at least she isn't feeling the Bern or voting for someone merely because they're a woman, so she's got that going for her.
Hopefully she's cute and her also that her secretarial skills are higher than the shallow level of her political reasoning. On the other hand, at least she isn't feeling the Bern or voting for someone merely because they're a woman, so she's got that going for her.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 09, 2016 03:26 PM (w4NZ8)
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44 But where do Marco voters go? Isn't Kasich their next choice?
According to the ABC poll, 72% of them go to Cruz.
According to the ABC poll, 72% of them go to Cruz.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 09, 2016 03:26 PM (tHmVm)
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I am with NDH... I will cut a bitch if you guys don't start nooding the old thread.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:26 PM (OrI3J)
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"Where is all this empirical data? You seem to be focusing solely on a few small polls taken during the heights of a strongly contested primary for an event 8 months away. Even then, its an avg of only 6 points."
Trump's negatives are astronomical and the Dems/media have not even started on him yet. That being said, he has a chance because he alone can make the media cover his bashing of Hillary on a daily basis which get translated to the voters. Since most people don't like Hillary anyway, it could work.
I don't like Trump, but I respect that he refuses to play by the Marques of Queensbury rules.
Trump's negatives are astronomical and the Dems/media have not even started on him yet. That being said, he has a chance because he alone can make the media cover his bashing of Hillary on a daily basis which get translated to the voters. Since most people don't like Hillary anyway, it could work.
I don't like Trump, but I respect that he refuses to play by the Marques of Queensbury rules.
Posted by: Benji Carver at March 09, 2016 03:26 PM (OD2ni)
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According to the polls, Hillary won Michigan yesterday by double digits.
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Where is all this empirical data? You seem to be focusing solely on a few small polls taken during the heights of a strongly contested primary for an event 8 months away. Even then, its an avg of only 6 points.
I understand his numbers are not the best here but I fail to see how people give this data such high credibility when everything else has gone out the window.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 03:20 PM (WnCSK)
I would point out that polls in Michigan had Hillary beating Bernie by something like 20 pts. So much so and so recent that Bernie went to his hotel room last night at 7:30pm to take a break before resuming campaigning today. He ended up coming back out late last night when Fox and then CNN called it for him.
I understand his numbers are not the best here but I fail to see how people give this data such high credibility when everything else has gone out the window.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 03:20 PM (WnCSK)
I would point out that polls in Michigan had Hillary beating Bernie by something like 20 pts. So much so and so recent that Bernie went to his hotel room last night at 7:30pm to take a break before resuming campaigning today. He ended up coming back out late last night when Fox and then CNN called it for him.
Posted by: Jen the original at March 09, 2016 03:27 PM (dErES)
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>>You know who were really into D D? The Wachovsky brothers, that's who! And look how they turned out.
Think it was more than D and D --- at least I hope so. Must have been an interesting growing up in that family?
Think it was more than D and D --- at least I hope so. Must have been an interesting growing up in that family?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 09, 2016 03:27 PM (NOIQH)
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Yeesh, I thought "guy who jerks off a lot" was pretty much the job description of an admiral.
Posted by: joncelli at March 09, 2016 03:24 PM (RD7QR)
Well my Admiral is a Female and just went to bat for me, but yeah your mostly right
Posted by: joncelli at March 09, 2016 03:24 PM (RD7QR)
Well my Admiral is a Female and just went to bat for me, but yeah your mostly right
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:27 PM (DUoqb)
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Now if he can only attract a few more voters....
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 03:25 PM (WnCSK)
Hey, Carly Fiorina did YUGE in the Republican debates thanks to her mad skillz. Deballed Trump. I think she cast voodoo on them and bats them like a cat toy when she's feeling blue. It is known.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 03:25 PM (WnCSK)
Hey, Carly Fiorina did YUGE in the Republican debates thanks to her mad skillz. Deballed Trump. I think she cast voodoo on them and bats them like a cat toy when she's feeling blue. It is known.
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 03:27 PM (MEHba)
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If asked do you like Trump I'd say no. If asked would I vote for him I'd say yes. There is a difference.
Trump has downside risk but can win by attracting new voters to the Republican ranks and so expand Romney's electoral map to include states like Ohio and could even challenge in New York.
If it's Hillary, he can drive up her negatives so that many of those who would never pull a Republican lever stay home. Every one that stays home is in effect half-a-vote for Trump.
Posted by: Ignoramus
is that really what you want to go into an election with? people hate him but most will reluctantly support?
People are far less rational than you give them credit for. If they hate someone, a certain % will find a reason not to show up on Election Day.
I'm amazed that grassroots type will say with a straight face that millions of conservatives would sit out an election if Jeb were the nominee but then deny that reality if Trump is the nominee, even though both would be better alternatives to Hillary.
Trump has downside risk but can win by attracting new voters to the Republican ranks and so expand Romney's electoral map to include states like Ohio and could even challenge in New York.
If it's Hillary, he can drive up her negatives so that many of those who would never pull a Republican lever stay home. Every one that stays home is in effect half-a-vote for Trump.
Posted by: Ignoramus
is that really what you want to go into an election with? people hate him but most will reluctantly support?
People are far less rational than you give them credit for. If they hate someone, a certain % will find a reason not to show up on Election Day.
I'm amazed that grassroots type will say with a straight face that millions of conservatives would sit out an election if Jeb were the nominee but then deny that reality if Trump is the nominee, even though both would be better alternatives to Hillary.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:28 PM (R6NO9)
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On the plus side for Trump he loves his country and I think he honestly believes he can make a difference. On the down side of that, I don't think he understands the history of what makes America "exceptional," hence his yammering on about being able to make deals when it's exactly the wrong thing to do (principled stands being the right thing).
He has a shit-ton of other baggage and history but that's something else.
Bottom line is, he'll get my vote if he gets the nod though he is far from the best choice, IMHO.
On the plus side for Trump he loves his country and I think he honestly believes he can make a difference. On the down side of that, I don't think he understands the history of what makes America "exceptional," hence his yammering on about being able to make deals when it's exactly the wrong thing to do (principled stands being the right thing).
He has a shit-ton of other baggage and history but that's something else.
Bottom line is, he'll get my vote if he gets the nod though he is far from the best choice, IMHO.
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" but they all live in Canada so there's no way you would know them."
Man, what is it with Canadian women? Just putting it out all over the place.
Man, what is it with Canadian women? Just putting it out all over the place.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 09, 2016 03:28 PM (LA7Cm)
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What are Trump's strengths, to you? Or are you so worked up over hating him that your answer can only be "well I can tell when he's lying" or some shit.
What could or would convince you to vote for him?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:22 PM (xuouz)
As I've said before, I admire the audacity and majesty of Trump's con game. His strengths include total shamelessness and an eerie ability to attract followers who don't care what he does. Unfortunately, his weaknesses include total shamelessness and an eerie ability to make most people hate him.
But I'm a reasonable, fair-minded person. If Trump drops out of the Presidential race, apologizes for embarrassing the country, and runs unopposed for local office I will vote for him.
What could or would convince you to vote for him?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:22 PM (xuouz)
As I've said before, I admire the audacity and majesty of Trump's con game. His strengths include total shamelessness and an eerie ability to attract followers who don't care what he does. Unfortunately, his weaknesses include total shamelessness and an eerie ability to make most people hate him.
But I'm a reasonable, fair-minded person. If Trump drops out of the Presidential race, apologizes for embarrassing the country, and runs unopposed for local office I will vote for him.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 03:28 PM (74ZYB)
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he announces he's dropping out. He urges his voters to vote for X.
What's so hard to understand? Who wants to vote for the guy who just dropped out?
Posted by: ace at March 09, 2016 02:21 PM (dciA+)
Rubio doesn't even have to urge anything... Cruz just needs to have volunteers outside the polls with sample ballots with Rubio's name marked through and a statement that he had suspended his campaign.
What's so hard to understand? Who wants to vote for the guy who just dropped out?
Posted by: ace at March 09, 2016 02:21 PM (dciA+)
Rubio doesn't even have to urge anything... Cruz just needs to have volunteers outside the polls with sample ballots with Rubio's name marked through and a statement that he had suspended his campaign.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:28 PM (OrI3J)
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I'll have you know that I scored with many girls, but they all live in Canada so there's no way you would know them.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 09, 2016 03:26 PM (JxMoP)
Girls who live in Canada AND don't consider playing RPGs to be sexually disqualifying? Give me their numbers!
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at March 09, 2016 03:26 PM (JxMoP)
Girls who live in Canada AND don't consider playing RPGs to be sexually disqualifying? Give me their numbers!
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 03:28 PM (MEHba)
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"What could or would convince you to vote for him?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:22 PM (xuouz)"
His opposition. And given that it's going to be Hillary or Sanders, I'll gladly vote for Trump. This isn't about Cruz supporters taking our ball and going home, it's about us thinking Trump won't win the general. But it's certainly dawning on me that Cruz's path to the nomination gets tougher and tougher with each primary that passes. Rubio dropping out would be a yuuuge boost, though.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:22 PM (xuouz)"
His opposition. And given that it's going to be Hillary or Sanders, I'll gladly vote for Trump. This isn't about Cruz supporters taking our ball and going home, it's about us thinking Trump won't win the general. But it's certainly dawning on me that Cruz's path to the nomination gets tougher and tougher with each primary that passes. Rubio dropping out would be a yuuuge boost, though.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 09, 2016 03:29 PM (4/i9Y)
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"Dems/media have not even started on him yet"
Agreed. But he is already being heavily vetted by the entire GOPe and is under a constant barrrage. At least he has had his baptism of fire. They have a special hatred for Cruz and to think he will get any less than trump is a mistake.
Agreed. But he is already being heavily vetted by the entire GOPe and is under a constant barrrage. At least he has had his baptism of fire. They have a special hatred for Cruz and to think he will get any less than trump is a mistake.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 03:29 PM (WnCSK)
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Jeb! To meet with Rubio, Kasich and Cruz.
Immediately thought of the big meeting in the Godfather. Jeb on one side and Cruz on the other. Kasich and Rubio both sitting at the table powerless to stop the peace. Jeb and Cruz embrace to seal the deal. But who sits at the head of the table? Who is orchestrating the peace? Who is the real power?
Neil B is in the Cruz campaign. Is he the consigliere for the Bush Family negotiating for peace?
Gonna be bloody when the Bushes settle all accounts.
Immediately thought of the big meeting in the Godfather. Jeb on one side and Cruz on the other. Kasich and Rubio both sitting at the table powerless to stop the peace. Jeb and Cruz embrace to seal the deal. But who sits at the head of the table? Who is orchestrating the peace? Who is the real power?
Neil B is in the Cruz campaign. Is he the consigliere for the Bush Family negotiating for peace?
Gonna be bloody when the Bushes settle all accounts.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 09, 2016 03:29 PM (FtrY1)
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Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:20 PM (R6NO9)
I'm fisking this whole mess of a post
Most of this is Urban Legend spread around by Trump supporters and primaries are not good the same as a general election audience.
What? What is an urban legend? Which part?
In many cases, Bernie Sanders is capturing more total votes that Trump is in the GOP primary. Does that mean the country wants a Soviet Union-loving Commie? No? then why does Bernie continue to do so well in the primary? Do you see how this feedback loop works?
In all cases or many cases? Do you think it could matter to drill down into the specific regions he's winning to see why Why are you assuming my answer is "no" to that question when we've seen Barack Obama win two elections? It's not a feedback loop, it's you rejecting what voters are telling you in state after state after state. They don't want Hillary. They don't want ANY Republican. They want an outsider. This is my entire point.
Extrapolating much from a primary is silly. Most of Trump's support is a middle finger to DC Republicans. I understand that, but middle fingers don't become President.
Barack Obama begs to differ. Also, extrapolating much from a primary is silly? Look primary elections and for God's sake caucuses are imperfect instruments, but you sound like a 2012 Romney-partisan poll-corrector with this crap.
people want to make a statement, and that statement will lose in front of voters.
There is no "in front of voters," the voters have voted, and they're voting for Trump. Notice that while Ace doesn't belabor the point, the entire idea is to keep him from taking all 1237 delegates needed to win outright and having Cruz sneak through in a brokered convention. It's garbage. It's GOPe-lite.
Congratulations, you answered the first of my four questions.
I'm fisking this whole mess of a post
Most of this is Urban Legend spread around by Trump supporters and primaries are not good the same as a general election audience.
What? What is an urban legend? Which part?
In many cases, Bernie Sanders is capturing more total votes that Trump is in the GOP primary. Does that mean the country wants a Soviet Union-loving Commie? No? then why does Bernie continue to do so well in the primary? Do you see how this feedback loop works?
In all cases or many cases? Do you think it could matter to drill down into the specific regions he's winning to see why Why are you assuming my answer is "no" to that question when we've seen Barack Obama win two elections? It's not a feedback loop, it's you rejecting what voters are telling you in state after state after state. They don't want Hillary. They don't want ANY Republican. They want an outsider. This is my entire point.
Extrapolating much from a primary is silly. Most of Trump's support is a middle finger to DC Republicans. I understand that, but middle fingers don't become President.
Barack Obama begs to differ. Also, extrapolating much from a primary is silly? Look primary elections and for God's sake caucuses are imperfect instruments, but you sound like a 2012 Romney-partisan poll-corrector with this crap.
people want to make a statement, and that statement will lose in front of voters.
There is no "in front of voters," the voters have voted, and they're voting for Trump. Notice that while Ace doesn't belabor the point, the entire idea is to keep him from taking all 1237 delegates needed to win outright and having Cruz sneak through in a brokered convention. It's garbage. It's GOPe-lite.
Congratulations, you answered the first of my four questions.
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--- Yep. Like the Marco Rubio! fanboys of Alexandria, Arlington, and the rest of northern Virginia.
Posted by: rightwingva at March 09, 2016 03:24 PM (12N3
And wasn't that freaking irritating.
Posted by: rightwingva at March 09, 2016 03:24 PM (12N3
And wasn't that freaking irritating.
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but they all live in Canada so there's no way you would know them.
In my youth I cut a swath through Saskatchewan that they still talk about even today.
In my youth I cut a swath through Saskatchewan that they still talk about even today.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 09, 2016 03:30 PM (8ZskC)
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351 Again the State Department blames "Both" sides and can't utter the words arab/pali/ect....scumbags
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:26 PM (DUoqb)
Has any candidate come right out and said, in the Middle East the only absolutely blameless party is the State of Israel?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:26 PM (DUoqb)
Has any candidate come right out and said, in the Middle East the only absolutely blameless party is the State of Israel?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 03:30 PM (p4UlV)
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350 You were a virgin well into your twenties, weren't you?
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I'll have you know that I scored with many girls, but they all live in Canada so there's no way you would know them.
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And this is why I come here so much
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I'll have you know that I scored with many girls, but they all live in Canada so there's no way you would know them.
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And this is why I come here so much
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 09, 2016 03:30 PM (kTF2Z)
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Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:28 PM (R6NO9)
Trump is attracting new voters to the Democrats. He is not going to challenge in New Mexico, let alone New York.
Trump is attracting new voters to the Democrats. He is not going to challenge in New Mexico, let alone New York.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 03:30 PM (74ZYB)
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275----Why aren't we seeing those negatives sink him in the primaries?
What do you think of Trump's success with minorities so far?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:10 PM (xuouz)
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Do you really not understand the difference between party primary voters and the general electorate?!?
For example, winning the black-Republican-primary-vote , which is a tiny sub-demographic, is not wining the black vote in a general.
Romney won the Hispanic GOP primary vote, in his case with a majority rather than just a plurality. But he only got 31% of the general Hispanic vote.
What do you think of Trump's success with minorities so far?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:10 PM (xuouz)
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Do you really not understand the difference between party primary voters and the general electorate?!?
For example, winning the black-Republican-primary-vote , which is a tiny sub-demographic, is not wining the black vote in a general.
Romney won the Hispanic GOP primary vote, in his case with a majority rather than just a plurality. But he only got 31% of the general Hispanic vote.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 09, 2016 03:30 PM (T/5A0)
Posted by: Guy who's really good at spotting retarded Nazis. at March 09, 2016 03:30 PM (aRUb8)
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Barring a change in poles, Marco Rubio may suspend dancing foam parties.
Posted by: RioBravo at March 09, 2016 03:31 PM (NUqwG)
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Debbie Whazzername-Schlitz announced that Hillary will not be indicted. I wonder how she learned this, since the AG herself said nothing like it in an interview just two days ago.
It was definitive and final.
http://tws.io/1nx2Zj2
It was definitive and final.
http://tws.io/1nx2Zj2
Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 03:31 PM (knNho)
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As I've said before, I admire the audacity and majesty of Trump's con game. His strengths include total shamelessness and an eerie ability to attract followers who don't care what he does. Unfortunately, his weaknesses include total shamelessness and an eerie ability to make most people hate him.
But I'm a reasonable, fair-minded person. If Trump drops out of the Presidential race, apologizes for embarrassing the country, and runs unopposed for local office I will vote for him.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 03:28 PM (74ZYB)
Exactly what I feared you'd say. There's no reason for me to continue talking to you.
But I'm a reasonable, fair-minded person. If Trump drops out of the Presidential race, apologizes for embarrassing the country, and runs unopposed for local office I will vote for him.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 03:28 PM (74ZYB)
Exactly what I feared you'd say. There's no reason for me to continue talking to you.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:31 PM (xuouz)
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Has any candidate come right out and said, in the Middle East the only absolutely blameless party is the State of Israel?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 03:30 PM (p4UlV)
Not sure. Cruz has been pretty supportive I think.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 03:30 PM (p4UlV)
Not sure. Cruz has been pretty supportive I think.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:31 PM (DUoqb)
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379 Trump is a retarded Nazi.
Posted by: Guy who's really good at spotting retarded Nazis. at March 09, 2016 03:30 PM (aRUb
So, at least he has an excuse, right?
Posted by: Guy who's really good at spotting retarded Nazis. at March 09, 2016 03:30 PM (aRUb
So, at least he has an excuse, right?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (p4UlV)
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"is that really what you want to go into an election with? people hate him but most will reluctantly support?"
Yeah, because with Trump it can work.
Cruz will have real issues in the general. Sorry but true. I like the guy but he'll be a disaster.
Yeah, because with Trump it can work.
Cruz will have real issues in the general. Sorry but true. I like the guy but he'll be a disaster.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (r1fLd)
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Sheesh, lots of TRUMP SUPPORT GOES SKYHIGH nonsense in here. That might be what you want to happen, but the polls say otherwise. 3/4th of Rubio supports have Cruz as their second choice.
You know, those pesky polls that your guy is constantly pointing out?
You know, those pesky polls that your guy is constantly pointing out?
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (tHmVm)
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If he is not off the ballot he is still in the race. Unless he pledges his delegates to someone else.Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old, unimproved, and overpriced. at March 09, 2016 02:14 PM (WVsWD
I can't speak for other states but MO rules specifically state that votes for dropped out candidates simply won't be counted in the total.
I can't speak for other states but MO rules specifically state that votes for dropped out candidates simply won't be counted in the total.
Posted by: tsrblke (on adblocker) at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (tM4uk)
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Nah. Goobio has not yet completed the assmaking of himself.
Posted by: wth at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (HgMAr)
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Debbie Whazzername-Schlitz announced that Hillary will not be indicted. I wonder how she learned this, since the AG herself said nothing like it in an interview just two days ago.
http://tws.io/1nx2Zj2
http://tws.io/1nx2Zj2
Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (knNho)
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Given the fact that David Duke did not officially endorse Trump, is Trump's potential in the panhandle reduced?
Posted by: RioBravo at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (NUqwG)
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I just went to Rubio's FB page. Two hours ago they posted their "I'm in Florida against a non-conservative again" talking point.
I want Cruz to smoke this guy in Florida. If he can't do that, take it away from and give it to Trump. Then he can run home crying and his career will be over for the foreseeable future.
I want Cruz to smoke this guy in Florida. If he can't do that, take it away from and give it to Trump. Then he can run home crying and his career will be over for the foreseeable future.
Posted by: Abby Normal at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (y0rni)
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383 Not sure. Cruz has been pretty supportive I think.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:31 PM (DUoqb)
Cruz and Mario are pro Israel for sure. I was just giving the ultimate mic drop line for anyone who wants to take it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:31 PM (DUoqb)
Cruz and Mario are pro Israel for sure. I was just giving the ultimate mic drop line for anyone who wants to take it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (p4UlV)
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381 Debbie Whazzername-Schlitz announced that Hillary will not be indicted. I wonder how she learned this, since the AG herself said nothing like it in an interview just two days ago.
It was definitive and final.
http://tws.io/1nx2Zj2
Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 03:31 PM (knNho)
Because Blabbermouth-Schultz knows that Hillary! has a "D" after her name. When you have a "D" after your name, nothing bad ever happens to you.
It was definitive and final.
http://tws.io/1nx2Zj2
Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 03:31 PM (knNho)
Because Blabbermouth-Schultz knows that Hillary! has a "D" after her name. When you have a "D" after your name, nothing bad ever happens to you.
Posted by: Iblis at March 09, 2016 03:33 PM (9221z)
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I'm working on a new hardware applications that, every time someone considers voting for someone because they're cute, or young, or clever, or plays the saxophone, or for any reason other than the issues, it delivers fifty thousand volts between their temples.
It's either that, or we start teaching civics and history again, and given how much power the teachers unions have, I think prospects are good for my little device.
It's either that, or we start teaching civics and history again, and given how much power the teachers unions have, I think prospects are good for my little device.
Posted by: Qoheleth at March 09, 2016 03:33 PM (iIzG7)
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379 Trump is a retarded Nazi.
Posted by: Guy who's really good at spotting retarded Nazis.
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So he should be able to beat Hillary! easily then.
379 Trump is a retarded Nazi.
Posted by: Guy who's really good at spotting retarded Nazis.
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So he should be able to beat Hillary! easily then.
Posted by: wth at March 09, 2016 03:34 PM (HgMAr)
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What a mess. Entropy is rampant. I don't see any really attractive prospect at this point.
Just Jim Lahey's abyss:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=y0dtmhEUCYY
Just Jim Lahey's abyss:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=y0dtmhEUCYY
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at March 09, 2016 03:34 PM (/f6Nd)
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So, at least he has an excuse, right?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (p4UlV)
Retarded Nazis don't need an excuse.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (p4UlV)
Retarded Nazis don't need an excuse.
Posted by: Guy who's really good at spotting retarded Nazis. at March 09, 2016 03:34 PM (aRUb8)
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>>>Is rule 8 like order 66?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:11 PM (xuouz)
***
The two approach asymptotically as the amount of beer drunk increases.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:11 PM (xuouz)
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The two approach asymptotically as the amount of beer drunk increases.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 09, 2016 03:34 PM (bpn7O)
399
Do you really not understand the difference between party primary voters and the general electorate?!?
For example, winning the black-Republican-primary-vote , which is a tiny sub-demographic, is not wining the black vote in a general.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 09, 2016 03:30 PM (T/5A0)
No I do, darling, I do understand. Do you not understand that bringing large numbers of former non-voters into the primary elections portends an even greater level of involvement in the general?
Do you not see that the kind of people who get a stick up their ass over Trump's offensive wrongthink are the kind of people who vote in primary elections? And they've already voted against Trump?
He'll do much, much better in the general.
For example, winning the black-Republican-primary-vote , which is a tiny sub-demographic, is not wining the black vote in a general.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 09, 2016 03:30 PM (T/5A0)
No I do, darling, I do understand. Do you not understand that bringing large numbers of former non-voters into the primary elections portends an even greater level of involvement in the general?
Do you not see that the kind of people who get a stick up their ass over Trump's offensive wrongthink are the kind of people who vote in primary elections? And they've already voted against Trump?
He'll do much, much better in the general.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:34 PM (xuouz)
400
Cruz and Mario are pro Israel for sure. I was just giving the ultimate mic drop line for anyone who wants to take it.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (p4UlV)
yeah i did not include rubio because although his support of Israel has been pretty much 100% down the line, I just don't trust him. But he has said all the right things
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (p4UlV)
yeah i did not include rubio because although his support of Israel has been pretty much 100% down the line, I just don't trust him. But he has said all the right things
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:34 PM (DUoqb)
401
381 Debbie Whazzername-Schlitz announced that Hillary will not be indicted. I wonder how she learned this, since the AG herself said nothing like it in an interview just two days ago.
It was definitive and final.
http://tws.io/1nx2Zj2
Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 03:31 PM (knNho)
Because Lynch wanted to get the word out to the important people -- like Mayo-Head Schultz -- before telling the media.
(What, you expected rule of law? Sucker.)
It was definitive and final.
http://tws.io/1nx2Zj2
Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 03:31 PM (knNho)
Because Lynch wanted to get the word out to the important people -- like Mayo-Head Schultz -- before telling the media.
(What, you expected rule of law? Sucker.)
Posted by: joncelli at March 09, 2016 03:35 PM (RD7QR)
402
How long until the head of the FBI forces Obama to fire him
How long until the head of the FBI forces Obama to fire him
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 03:35 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Qoheleth at March 09, 2016 03:35 PM (iIzG7)
404
Do you really not understand the difference between party primary voters and the general electorate?!?
For example, winning the black-Republican-primary-vote , which is a tiny sub-demographic, is not wining the black vote in a general.
Romney won the Hispanic GOP primary vote, in his case with a majority rather than just a plurality. But he only got 31% of the general Hispanic vote.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille
Trump voters don't get this.
80 Hispanics show up for a GOP Caucus, 40 vote for Trump, and they conclude Trump will get half the Hispanic vote against Hillary.
I'm really not exagerrating here.
Or a GOP primary will get 50,000 new voters than last time, which represents less than 1% of the voters that show up in a general election in that state and Trump voters conclude that conservative turnout will double or something.
For example, winning the black-Republican-primary-vote , which is a tiny sub-demographic, is not wining the black vote in a general.
Romney won the Hispanic GOP primary vote, in his case with a majority rather than just a plurality. But he only got 31% of the general Hispanic vote.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille
Trump voters don't get this.
80 Hispanics show up for a GOP Caucus, 40 vote for Trump, and they conclude Trump will get half the Hispanic vote against Hillary.
I'm really not exagerrating here.
Or a GOP primary will get 50,000 new voters than last time, which represents less than 1% of the voters that show up in a general election in that state and Trump voters conclude that conservative turnout will double or something.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:35 PM (R6NO9)
Posted by: Sharkman at March 09, 2016 03:35 PM (QWtgr)
406
His opposition. And given that it's going to be
Hillary or Sanders, I'll gladly vote for Trump. This isn't about Cruz
supporters taking our ball and going home, it's about us thinking Trump
won't win the general. But it's certainly dawning on me that Cruz's path
to the nomination gets tougher and tougher with each primary that
passes. Rubio dropping out would be a yuuuge boost, though.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 09, 2016 03:29 PM (4/i9Y)
I am not taking my ball and going home and I don't particularly care if Trump can win the General (though polls say not). I will not vote for Trump because I do not think he will be good for the country and if bad things are going to be done, I would prefer they not be done by someone calling himself a conservative.
Hillary or Sanders, I'll gladly vote for Trump. This isn't about Cruz
supporters taking our ball and going home, it's about us thinking Trump
won't win the general. But it's certainly dawning on me that Cruz's path
to the nomination gets tougher and tougher with each primary that
passes. Rubio dropping out would be a yuuuge boost, though.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 09, 2016 03:29 PM (4/i9Y)
I am not taking my ball and going home and I don't particularly care if Trump can win the General (though polls say not). I will not vote for Trump because I do not think he will be good for the country and if bad things are going to be done, I would prefer they not be done by someone calling himself a conservative.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:35 PM (OrI3J)
407
How long until the head of the FBI forces Obama to fire him
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 03:35 PM (zOTsN)
yeah I can see that happening. Another Saturday Night massacre maybe
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 03:35 PM (zOTsN)
yeah I can see that happening. Another Saturday Night massacre maybe
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:36 PM (DUoqb)
408
"Debbie Whazzername-Schlitz announced that Hillary will not be indicted.
I wonder how she learned this, since the AG herself said nothing like
it in an interview just two days ago. It was definitive and final."
Rep. Joaquin Castro (identical twin to Julian Castro, rumored to be shortlisted for Hillary's VP pick) said in a network interview the other day that Hillary had been "cleared by the Congress" and "cleared by the FBI".
Life in America gets a more Soviet feel to it every day.
I wonder how she learned this, since the AG herself said nothing like
it in an interview just two days ago. It was definitive and final."
Rep. Joaquin Castro (identical twin to Julian Castro, rumored to be shortlisted for Hillary's VP pick) said in a network interview the other day that Hillary had been "cleared by the Congress" and "cleared by the FBI".
Life in America gets a more Soviet feel to it every day.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 09, 2016 03:36 PM (noWW6)
409
80 Hispanics show up for a GOP Caucus, 40 vote for
Trump, and they conclude Trump will get half the Hispanic vote against
Hillary.
I'm really not exagerrating here.
Or a GOP primary will get 50,000 new voters than last time, which
represents less than 1% of the voters that show up in a general election
in that state and Trump voters conclude that conservative turnout will
double or something.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:35 PM (R6NO9)
The first one was a head scratcher for me also.
Trump, and they conclude Trump will get half the Hispanic vote against
Hillary.
I'm really not exagerrating here.
Or a GOP primary will get 50,000 new voters than last time, which
represents less than 1% of the voters that show up in a general election
in that state and Trump voters conclude that conservative turnout will
double or something.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:35 PM (R6NO9)
The first one was a head scratcher for me also.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:36 PM (OrI3J)
410
>>>Rather than risk humiliation, Rubio will play the honorable Republican hero, willing to heroically throw himself on the grenade in order to save the party from Trump.
Posted by: AtlasMugged at March 09, 2016 03:13 PM (K1eTv)
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I've no doubt an appropriate sinecure has been arranged.
Posted by: AtlasMugged at March 09, 2016 03:13 PM (K1eTv)
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I've no doubt an appropriate sinecure has been arranged.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 09, 2016 03:36 PM (bpn7O)
411
Cruz's support is almost exclusively SoCons and he turns off Republicans that aren't in that camp.Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:24 PM (R6NO9)
There are supposedly a number of prominent evangelicals throwing in with Trump, although I'm confused by the use of the word 'prominent' when talking about the son of the late Jerry Falwell. That's like an obscure PBS comedy show I saw once years ago where the main character thought he was buying John Lennon's guitar and ended up with Julian Lennon's guitar pick.
To your point, that isn't true about Cruz' supporters being 'almost exclusively' social conservatives; that is, religiously motivated. Some of us--like me--think your beloved is a slimy, two-bitdemagogue willing to say anything to get elected. Because truth.
There are supposedly a number of prominent evangelicals throwing in with Trump, although I'm confused by the use of the word 'prominent' when talking about the son of the late Jerry Falwell. That's like an obscure PBS comedy show I saw once years ago where the main character thought he was buying John Lennon's guitar and ended up with Julian Lennon's guitar pick.
To your point, that isn't true about Cruz' supporters being 'almost exclusively' social conservatives; that is, religiously motivated. Some of us--like me--think your beloved is a slimy, two-bitdemagogue willing to say anything to get elected. Because truth.
Posted by: troyriser at March 09, 2016 03:37 PM (UWlp+)
412
the AG just took her name out of the running for SCOTUS
then DWS says no indictment for Shrillary
then Drudge has a headline linked to a story about the Head of the FBI going to war with the White House
next step is his firing by Obama
then DWS says no indictment for Shrillary
then Drudge has a headline linked to a story about the Head of the FBI going to war with the White House
next step is his firing by Obama
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 03:37 PM (zOTsN)
413
No I do, darling, I do understand. Do you not understand that bringing large numbers of former non-voters into the primary elections portends an even greater level of involvement in the general?
__________
Show me the data where these "new" voters were previously non-voters and that they all went for Donald Trump?
Also, show me polling data where Trump does significantly better with minorities than other Republicans.
If this is such a large trend, it should be easy to find this data
__________
Show me the data where these "new" voters were previously non-voters and that they all went for Donald Trump?
Also, show me polling data where Trump does significantly better with minorities than other Republicans.
If this is such a large trend, it should be easy to find this data
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:37 PM (R6NO9)
414
"Debbie Whazzername-Schlitz announced that Hillary will not be indicted.
I wonder how she learned this, since the AG herself said nothing like
it in an interview just two days ago. It was definitive and final."
Rep.
Joaquin Castro (identical twin to Julian Castro, rumored to be
shortlisted for Hillary's VP pick) said in a network interview the other
day that Hillary had been "cleared by the Congress" and "cleared by the
FBI".
Life in America gets a more Soviet feel to it every day.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 09, 2016 03:36 PM (noWW6)
They are politicians who are spinning hard.
I wonder how she learned this, since the AG herself said nothing like
it in an interview just two days ago. It was definitive and final."
Rep.
Joaquin Castro (identical twin to Julian Castro, rumored to be
shortlisted for Hillary's VP pick) said in a network interview the other
day that Hillary had been "cleared by the Congress" and "cleared by the
FBI".
Life in America gets a more Soviet feel to it every day.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 09, 2016 03:36 PM (noWW6)
They are politicians who are spinning hard.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:37 PM (OrI3J)
415
"80 Hispanics show up for a GOP Caucus, 40 vote for Trump, and they conclude Trump will get half the Hispanic vote against Hillary"
I agree that many of the calculations are incorrect. However, the turnout numbers as a whole are very impressive and he would seem to have the best chance to bring a broader range of people out to the polls.
I agree that many of the calculations are incorrect. However, the turnout numbers as a whole are very impressive and he would seem to have the best chance to bring a broader range of people out to the polls.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 03:37 PM (WnCSK)
416
My kid drew a lovely dog reading a book silhouette and I put it on a mug design
===
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend...."
===
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend...."
Posted by: Bigby's Chinese Finger Trap at March 09, 2016 03:38 PM (3ZtZW)
417
384 So, at least he has an excuse, right?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (p4UlV)
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Ha!
For the record I obviously don't buy the Nazi stuff, but Trump does seem to surround himself with thugs. Supposedly his goons got physical with Michelle Fields last night (for asking a rude question). I certainly understand the attraction, but the Trumpians got rough and nearly pushed her to the ground (or so the story goes).
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 03:32 PM (p4UlV)
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Ha!
For the record I obviously don't buy the Nazi stuff, but Trump does seem to surround himself with thugs. Supposedly his goons got physical with Michelle Fields last night (for asking a rude question). I certainly understand the attraction, but the Trumpians got rough and nearly pushed her to the ground (or so the story goes).
Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 03:38 PM (knNho)
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 09, 2016 03:38 PM (bpn7O)
419
"Ted will lay out a thirty-point plan for dealing with ISIS, citing Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, and FMFRP 12-15."
True fact: when you say "Clausewitz" to Don Trump, he responds with "Gesundheit."
True fact: when you say "Clausewitz" to Don Trump, he responds with "Gesundheit."
Posted by: torquewrench at March 09, 2016 03:38 PM (noWW6)
420
We're on to the part where we discuss boobehs and guns right?
Because if not, here, lemme nudge the thread that way:
http://bit.ly/1TMdTQu
Because if not, here, lemme nudge the thread that way:
http://bit.ly/1TMdTQu
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)
421
So tell me Ghost of Kari. There are mathematical scenarios where Trump wins Ohio and Florida and gets to the convention a few delegates behind Cruz.
If that were the case, who should get the nomination?
And don't tell me that it is impossible, New York is proportional while California is winner take all by congressional district.
If that were the case, who should get the nomination?
And don't tell me that it is impossible, New York is proportional while California is winner take all by congressional district.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (tHmVm)
422
Cruz & Fiorina, 2016: The Lizard and the Feline.
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (IQI2h)
423
That's right you skanks, I don't disagree with you, I just don't understand the majesty of your line of reasoning.
If I did, I would of course be on your side.
How could I not? What feeble pretense could stand against the keen edge of the right Jerusalem blade that is your analytical mind.
If I did, I would of course be on your side.
How could I not? What feeble pretense could stand against the keen edge of the right Jerusalem blade that is your analytical mind.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (xuouz)
424
We also heard that the Rubio guy from Florida does not like persons of color. Another typical person of no color trying to put down the person of color again just like Bush did......
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (KRuzk)
425
416 My kid drew a lovely dog reading a book silhouette and I put it on a mug design
===
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend...."
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
===
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend...."
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (kDUUX)
426
So he should be able to beat Hillary! easily then.
Posted by: wth at March 09, 2016 03:34 PM (HgMAr)
Can't be sure. The Retarded Nazi faction is actually split with a slight majority being Hillary voters.You can check the stats and see for yourself. The hashtag RetardedNazisforHillary is trending.
Posted by: wth at March 09, 2016 03:34 PM (HgMAr)
Can't be sure. The Retarded Nazi faction is actually split with a slight majority being Hillary voters.You can check the stats and see for yourself. The hashtag RetardedNazisforHillary is trending.
Posted by: Guy who's really good at spotting retarded Nazis. at March 09, 2016 03:40 PM (aRUb8)
427
415 They are politicians who are spinning hard.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:37 PM (OrI3J)
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Or maybe they are getting out too early in front of the right story, like Biden did on Obama's gay marriage flip-flop.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:37 PM (OrI3J)
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Or maybe they are getting out too early in front of the right story, like Biden did on Obama's gay marriage flip-flop.
Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 03:40 PM (knNho)
428
420 We're on to the part where we discuss boobehs and guns right?
Because if not, here, lemme nudge the thread that way:
http://bit.ly/1TMdTQu
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)
Our Empress provides well!
Because if not, here, lemme nudge the thread that way:
http://bit.ly/1TMdTQu
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)
Our Empress provides well!
Posted by: joncelli at March 09, 2016 03:40 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 09, 2016 03:40 PM (FtrY1)
430
Trump is a retarded Nazi.
Posted by: Guy who's really good at spotting retarded Nazis by looking in the mirror.
LOL
Posted by: Guy who's really good at spotting retarded Nazis by looking in the mirror.
LOL
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 09, 2016 03:40 PM (kaPZB)
431
Because if not, here, lemme nudge the thread that way:
http://bit.ly/1TMdTQu
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)
Yikes. AtC, is that you?
Because if not, here, lemme nudge the thread that way:
http://bit.ly/1TMdTQu
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)
Yikes. AtC, is that you?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 09, 2016 03:40 PM (FsuaD)
432
"[Trump] will do much, much better in the general."
I agree. 'cos of Mad Media Skillz. Once again, YMMV.
I agree. 'cos of Mad Media Skillz. Once again, YMMV.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 09, 2016 03:40 PM (r1fLd)
433
80 Hispanics show up for a GOP Caucus, 40 vote for Trump, and they conclude Trump will get half the Hispanic vote against Hillary.
I'm really not exagerrating here.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:35 PM (R6NO9)
Except you kind of are. Most people on this side of the establishment claim that Hispanics are going Democrat no matter what we do- if we believed otherwise, illegal immigration wouldn't be such a critical issue. It is clear that if Trump leads with Hispanics, the notion that Cruz or Rubio could bring Hispanics into the GOP becomes a ludicrous notion.
I'm really not exagerrating here.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:35 PM (R6NO9)
Except you kind of are. Most people on this side of the establishment claim that Hispanics are going Democrat no matter what we do- if we believed otherwise, illegal immigration wouldn't be such a critical issue. It is clear that if Trump leads with Hispanics, the notion that Cruz or Rubio could bring Hispanics into the GOP becomes a ludicrous notion.
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 03:41 PM (MEHba)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 03:41 PM (zOTsN)
435
Oops. She's not a ginger. My bad.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 09, 2016 03:41 PM (FsuaD)
436
So tell me Ghost of Kari. There are mathematical scenarios where Trump wins Ohio and Florida and gets to the convention a few delegates behind Cruz.
If that were the case, who should get the nomination?
And don't tell me that it is impossible, New York is proportional while California is winner take all by congressional district.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (tHmVm)
Whoever has the most delegates at the convention should be the nominee. The 1237 cutoff is arbitrary anyway.
If that were the case, who should get the nomination?
And don't tell me that it is impossible, New York is proportional while California is winner take all by congressional district.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (tHmVm)
Whoever has the most delegates at the convention should be the nominee. The 1237 cutoff is arbitrary anyway.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:42 PM (xuouz)
437
420 We're on to the part where we discuss boobehs and guns right?
Because if not, here, lemme nudge the thread that way:
http://bit.ly/1TMdTQu
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)
Ni hao, angel!
Because if not, here, lemme nudge the thread that way:
http://bit.ly/1TMdTQu
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)
Ni hao, angel!
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at March 09, 2016 03:42 PM (lutOX)
438
434
I think the head of the FBI is about to be fired
who would stop it?
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 03:41 PM (zOTsN)
Nobody. Historic First always gets his way.
I think the head of the FBI is about to be fired
who would stop it?
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 03:41 PM (zOTsN)
Nobody. Historic First always gets his way.
Posted by: joncelli at March 09, 2016 03:42 PM (RD7QR)
439
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend...."
Posted by: Bigby's Chinese Finger Trap at March 09, 2016 03:38 PM (3ZtZW)
That's the quote on the mug! Or did you see that?
Posted by: Bigby's Chinese Finger Trap at March 09, 2016 03:38 PM (3ZtZW)
That's the quote on the mug! Or did you see that?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:42 PM (xuouz)
440
Moe Cruz explained to the establishment how nobody could get a drink at the tables, Fredo Trump was banging cocktail waitresses two at a time.
He though everything was handled and decided to get a rub down before the convention.
Then.."let me just get my glasses on.."
He though everything was handled and decided to get a rub down before the convention.
Then.."let me just get my glasses on.."
Posted by: jwest at March 09, 2016 03:42 PM (Zs4uk)
441
I agree that many of the calculations are incorrect. However, the turnout numbers as a whole are very impressive and he would seem to have the best chance to bring a broader range of people out to the polls.
Posted by: Skeezix
Listen, I honestly hope you're right because Trump is going to be the nominee.
But I think it would naive to think Trump takes all the new voters AND carries all the existing, reliable voters that seem to deeply dislike him.
At the end of the day, would you rather bet on voters that consistently shop up every election or the ones that have never bothered to vote in their entire life?
Posted by: Skeezix
Listen, I honestly hope you're right because Trump is going to be the nominee.
But I think it would naive to think Trump takes all the new voters AND carries all the existing, reliable voters that seem to deeply dislike him.
At the end of the day, would you rather bet on voters that consistently shop up every election or the ones that have never bothered to vote in their entire life?
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (R6NO9)
442
420 Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)
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And, the worship commences! That is exactly the right kind of hump-day afternoon link.
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And, the worship commences! That is exactly the right kind of hump-day afternoon link.
Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (knNho)
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (mf5HN)
444
I'm a Social Conservative. So is everyone in my family. We ALL voted for Trump. I'm happy to vote for Cruz in the general if he wins nomination, but a freshman Senator, who has accomplished nothing, is not what we need now. The reason so many SoCons and Evangelicals aren't voting for Cruz is that having the cadence of a Baptist minister ISN'T grounds for becoming a President.
Posted by: rightwingva at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (12N38)
445
Cruz's campaign manager, Jeff Roe, is known for saying an opponent is going to drop out. The votes then go to his candidate. So no, Roe would be saying Rubio would drop out whether the story is true or not:
http://bit.ly/1KqUpNw
http://bit.ly/1KqUpNw
Posted by: notsothoreau at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (5HBd1)
446
remember all that "the FBI will burn it down if Hillary isnt indicted by DOJ"
well, you get rid of the head of the FBI
problem solved
remember all that "the FBI will burn it down if Hillary isnt indicted by DOJ"
well, you get rid of the head of the FBI
problem solved
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: wth at March 09, 2016 03:44 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: squinting... at March 09, 2016 03:44 PM (IQI2h)
449
We're on to the part where we discuss boobehs and guns right?
Because if not, here, lemme nudge the thread that way:
http://bit.ly/1TMdTQu
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)
Maybe a midweek food thread would be appropriate... my 20 yr old son (the aspiring chef and current prep cook) made us a kick ass Jack Daniel-shallot sauce to go over an equally kick ass mustard and molasses glazed pork tenderloin.
The quality of the food I eat that I don't have to prepare has risen exponentially since son2 started working/training at a french restaurant.
Because if not, here, lemme nudge the thread that way:
http://bit.ly/1TMdTQu
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)
Maybe a midweek food thread would be appropriate... my 20 yr old son (the aspiring chef and current prep cook) made us a kick ass Jack Daniel-shallot sauce to go over an equally kick ass mustard and molasses glazed pork tenderloin.
The quality of the food I eat that I don't have to prepare has risen exponentially since son2 started working/training at a french restaurant.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:44 PM (OrI3J)
450
Brock Osweiler going to the Texans.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 09, 2016 03:44 PM (TJCSB)
451
438 Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 03:41 PM (zOTsN)
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Can he fire Comey? I thought he was appointed to a ten year term and that's that.
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Can he fire Comey? I thought he was appointed to a ten year term and that's that.
Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 03:44 PM (knNho)
452
Saying one thing in English and then another in Spanish, who knew it had consequences?
Posted by: navybrat at March 09, 2016 03:44 PM (8QGte)
453
436 Whoever has the most delegates at the convention should be the nominee. The 1237 cutoff is arbitrary anyway.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane
I don't know. 50% +1 doesn't seem terribly arbitrary.
53.7%+2, however...
You are right, however, that the party could have set the bar to "whoever has the most delegates".
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane
I don't know. 50% +1 doesn't seem terribly arbitrary.
53.7%+2, however...
You are right, however, that the party could have set the bar to "whoever has the most delegates".
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 09, 2016 03:45 PM (F0oRd)
454
That German band in Spies is hilarious. I wonder if the krauts know that is how we see them? Gayish techno krap. lol
Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 09, 2016 03:45 PM (iQIUe)
455
DWS had to say something about Hillary's indictment because Megyn Kelly called her on it.
If Lynch doesn't indict the underlying facts will get leaked. Someone is already leaking like a sieve to that Investigative Reporter at Fox, the only one there who's really a reporter.
If Lynch doesn't indict the underlying facts will get leaked. Someone is already leaking like a sieve to that Investigative Reporter at Fox, the only one there who's really a reporter.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 09, 2016 03:45 PM (r1fLd)
456
Yikes. AtC, is that you?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 09, 2016 03:40 PM (FsuaD)
Sadly, no.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (mf5HN)
You can tell cause the girl in the pic is taller than the rifle.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 09, 2016 03:40 PM (FsuaD)
Sadly, no.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (mf5HN)
You can tell cause the girl in the pic is taller than the rifle.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 09, 2016 03:45 PM (uURQL)
457
Or maybe they are getting out too early in front of the right story, like Biden did on Obama's gay marriage flip-flop.
Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 03:40 PM (knNho)
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She didn't volunteer it as a talking point, but she said it to try and deflect Megyn Kelly's withering attack on the issue during an interview. She even claimed that Cankles isn't under investigation. The point is not that she has some sort of insider info (although I am skeptical this DoJ will offer up an indictment when the FBI comes down with its recommendations), but to try and convince the rubes there is no there, there.
Posted by: MTF at March 09, 2016 03:40 PM (knNho)
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She didn't volunteer it as a talking point, but she said it to try and deflect Megyn Kelly's withering attack on the issue during an interview. She even claimed that Cankles isn't under investigation. The point is not that she has some sort of insider info (although I am skeptical this DoJ will offer up an indictment when the FBI comes down with its recommendations), but to try and convince the rubes there is no there, there.
Posted by: NotCoach, HotAir Shithead at March 09, 2016 03:45 PM (rsudF)
458
>>>If the Admiral was banging a dude instead of looking at porn he wouldn't have been relieved.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 03:21 PM (B48dK)
***
Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy, and the lash.
Which, well, we do live in a freak-show age.
Posted by: steevy at March 09, 2016 03:21 PM (B48dK)
***
Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy, and the lash.
Which, well, we do live in a freak-show age.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 09, 2016 03:45 PM (bpn7O)
459
Documents Reveal The U.S. Army Indoctrinated Soldiers In The Dangers Of White Privilege
Democrats continue to use the army as a testing ground for social justice.
Weasel Zippers
Disgusting
Democrats continue to use the army as a testing ground for social justice.
Weasel Zippers
Disgusting
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:45 PM (DUoqb)
460
There are supposedly a number of prominent evangelicals throwing in with
Trump, although I'm confused by the use of the word 'prominent'
Posted by: troyriser at March 09, 2016 03:37 PM (UWlp+)
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I'm confused too. I go on sites like RealClearPolitics and I get statements saying they took polls of evangelicals, put together by evangelical leaders.....
"Working with Christian conservative leaders in a northern city, we
designed a questionnaire to get to the heart of our presumptions. The
filter questions went through long and careful steps to assure that the
only people we surveyed were absolutely evangelical Christians"
Then they go on to vaguely describe positions and draw larger conclusions from them, without naming names. Do you or anyone else here know of a widely-known, influential evangelical leader who has endorsed Trump? They may be out there - I just don't know who they are.
Trump, although I'm confused by the use of the word 'prominent'
Posted by: troyriser at March 09, 2016 03:37 PM (UWlp+)
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I'm confused too. I go on sites like RealClearPolitics and I get statements saying they took polls of evangelicals, put together by evangelical leaders.....
"Working with Christian conservative leaders in a northern city, we
designed a questionnaire to get to the heart of our presumptions. The
filter questions went through long and careful steps to assure that the
only people we surveyed were absolutely evangelical Christians"
Then they go on to vaguely describe positions and draw larger conclusions from them, without naming names. Do you or anyone else here know of a widely-known, influential evangelical leader who has endorsed Trump? They may be out there - I just don't know who they are.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 03:45 PM (dFi94)
461
>>> I think the head of the FBI is about to be fired / who would stop it?
"Nobody. Historic First always gets his way."
If only there were some sort of Constitutional procedure available.
"Nobody. Historic First always gets his way."
If only there were some sort of Constitutional procedure available.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 09, 2016 03:46 PM (noWW6)
462
Cruz's campaign manager, Jeff Roe, is known for
saying an opponent is going to drop out. The votes then go to his
candidate. So no, Roe would be saying Rubio would drop out whether the
story is true or not:
http://bit.ly/1KqUpNw
Posted by: notsothoreau at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (5HBd1)
Two news outlets are reporting the same thing... as with Carson, repeating a news story is neither "dirty tricks" nor out of line.
saying an opponent is going to drop out. The votes then go to his
candidate. So no, Roe would be saying Rubio would drop out whether the
story is true or not:
http://bit.ly/1KqUpNw
Posted by: notsothoreau at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (5HBd1)
Two news outlets are reporting the same thing... as with Carson, repeating a news story is neither "dirty tricks" nor out of line.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:46 PM (OrI3J)
463
Clinton fired the head of the FBI, said it was because he was flying too much
its in the playbook
its in the playbook
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 03:46 PM (zOTsN)
464
Nood.
Posted by: HH at March 09, 2016 03:46 PM (DrCtv)
Posted by: Bigby's Chinese Finger Trap at March 09, 2016 03:46 PM (3ZtZW)
466
BI Director William S. Sessions, who stubbornly refused to resign despite Justice Department ethics findings that he abused his office, was fired Monday by President Clinton--the first time a director of the storied agency has been dismissed.
Clinton and Atty. Gen. Janet Reno, steeling the Administration against claims that the decision was politically motivated, used unmistakably blunt language to describe Sessions' failings. Reno "has reported to me in no uncertain terms that he can no longer effectively lead the bureau and law enforcement community," Clinton said, adding that he fully agreed with her recommendation to replace Sessions immediately.
Clinton and Atty. Gen. Janet Reno, steeling the Administration against claims that the decision was politically motivated, used unmistakably blunt language to describe Sessions' failings. Reno "has reported to me in no uncertain terms that he can no longer effectively lead the bureau and law enforcement community," Clinton said, adding that he fully agreed with her recommendation to replace Sessions immediately.
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 03:46 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (39g3+)
468
Late to the thread, and yes delegates are bartered all the time every election. That is what politics is, favors traded for favors.
The retiring candidate can 'urge' his delegates to support another candidate. He can 'release' his delegates to make the best deal they can. He can tell his delegates to 'vote your conscience'. The language for vote buying a selling is loaded with euphemisms and it is done publicly on National TV.
The retiring candidate can 'urge' his delegates to support another candidate. He can 'release' his delegates to make the best deal they can. He can tell his delegates to 'vote your conscience'. The language for vote buying a selling is loaded with euphemisms and it is done publicly on National TV.
Posted by: Gerald Wiltercrest at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (v2LSP)
469
Do you or anyone else here know of a widely-known,
influential evangelical leader who has endorsed Trump? They may be out
there - I just don't know who they are.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 03:45 PM (dFi94)
Jerry Falwell?
influential evangelical leader who has endorsed Trump? They may be out
there - I just don't know who they are.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 03:45 PM (dFi94)
Jerry Falwell?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (FsuaD)
470
It is clear that if Trump leads with Hispanics, the notion that Cruz or Rubio could bring Hispanics into the GOP becomes a ludicrous notion.
Posted by: trev006
The type of Hispanic that takes the time to vote in a Republican caucus is already in the bag. So I don't think you can extrapolate much from that.
Whoever has an R next to their name is going to get their vote most likely.
It would be like polling GOP donors.
Posted by: trev006
The type of Hispanic that takes the time to vote in a Republican caucus is already in the bag. So I don't think you can extrapolate much from that.
Whoever has an R next to their name is going to get their vote most likely.
It would be like polling GOP donors.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (R6NO9)
471
>>The man has the endurance of an ox.
Look, a commanding officer who can lock the door and stroke for nine hours is either an embarrassment and a failure, or a remarkably good leader who's chosen and backed the right department heads so he doesn't have to deal with the routine shit.
This is, of course, a naval tradition.
"Rum, sodomy, and the lash" - Winston Fucking Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty
"Frigging in the Rigging, cause there was bugger all to do" - Traditional, as interpreted by the Sex Pistols
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvsdlIY9sJw
Look, a commanding officer who can lock the door and stroke for nine hours is either an embarrassment and a failure, or a remarkably good leader who's chosen and backed the right department heads so he doesn't have to deal with the routine shit.
This is, of course, a naval tradition.
"Rum, sodomy, and the lash" - Winston Fucking Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty
"Frigging in the Rigging, cause there was bugger all to do" - Traditional, as interpreted by the Sex Pistols
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvsdlIY9sJw
Posted by: JEM at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (o+SC1)
472
"420 We're on to the part where we discuss boobehs and guns right?"
Ok. AT&T has a new commercial and it looks like they gave Lily a tighter blue shirt to wear and filmed her profile quite a bit.
Ok. AT&T has a new commercial and it looks like they gave Lily a tighter blue shirt to wear and filmed her profile quite a bit.
Posted by: Benji Carver at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (OD2ni)
473
I wonder what sort of points are persuasive to millenials. Millennial women seem to be pretty upset about Hillary Clinton defending a rapist by badgering the teenage rape victim on the witnesses stand and then laughing about how the girl cried in court.
They do not seem to care about illegal behavior or the Constitution.
They do not seem to care about illegal behavior or the Constitution.
Posted by: obnoxious ahole at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (MpvuV)
474
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:44 PM (OrI3J)
____________________________________________
What rate of fire will synch boob jiggle with recoil?
____________________________________________
What rate of fire will synch boob jiggle with recoil?
Posted by: NotCoach, HotAir Shithead at March 09, 2016 03:48 PM (rsudF)
475
Do you or anyone else here know of a widely-known, influential evangelical leader who has endorsed Trump? They may be out there - I just don't know who they are.
My version of "Christian leader" is guys like Alistair Begg, John McArthur, R.C. Sproul, and Michael Horton and they don't get into politics so...
My version of "Christian leader" is guys like Alistair Begg, John McArthur, R.C. Sproul, and Michael Horton and they don't get into politics so...
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 03:48 PM (39g3+)
476
"That's right you skanks, I don't disagree with you, I just don't understand the majesty of your line of reasoning.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (xuouz)"
Who is claiming anything majestic? I simply think Cruz will do better in the general than Trump, based on the fact that Trump is a hugely disliked blowhard. I don't think Cruz is 'the only man who can save America.' I just think he's the best of our remaining candidates. Either of us could cite polls to support our candidate, though I think we're both wary of polls taken 8 months before the general. Anything beyond that is just sophistry.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:39 PM (xuouz)"
Who is claiming anything majestic? I simply think Cruz will do better in the general than Trump, based on the fact that Trump is a hugely disliked blowhard. I don't think Cruz is 'the only man who can save America.' I just think he's the best of our remaining candidates. Either of us could cite polls to support our candidate, though I think we're both wary of polls taken 8 months before the general. Anything beyond that is just sophistry.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 09, 2016 03:48 PM (4/i9Y)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 09, 2016 03:48 PM (p4UlV)
478
But I think it would naive to think Trump takes all the new voters AND carries all the existing, reliable voters that seem to deeply dislike him.
At the end of the day, would you rather bet on voters that consistently shop up every election or the ones that have never bothered to vote in their entire life?
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (R6NO9)
That's why myself and other noble, nimble navigators are attempting to convince you to stop deeply disliking him and see the benefits his presidency would bring, as well as sign on in order to give him the conservative credibility he lacks by making your support contingent upon his meeting certain specific requirements that if he breaks, or fails to meet, or lies about, mean you WON'T SUPPORT HIM.
LIKE POLITICS.
At the end of the day, would you rather bet on voters that consistently shop up every election or the ones that have never bothered to vote in their entire life?
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (R6NO9)
That's why myself and other noble, nimble navigators are attempting to convince you to stop deeply disliking him and see the benefits his presidency would bring, as well as sign on in order to give him the conservative credibility he lacks by making your support contingent upon his meeting certain specific requirements that if he breaks, or fails to meet, or lies about, mean you WON'T SUPPORT HIM.
LIKE POLITICS.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (xuouz)
479
Jerry Falwell?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (FsuaD)
Is dead. His son, Jerry Falwell, Jr., is supposedly in the Trump camp.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (FsuaD)
Is dead. His son, Jerry Falwell, Jr., is supposedly in the Trump camp.
Posted by: troyriser at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (UWlp+)
480
"Documents Reveal The U.S. Army Indoctrinated Soldiers In The Dangers Of White Privilege"
when are they going to do something about the Black Mason Mafia in the Army?
when are they going to do something about the Black Mason Mafia in the Army?
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (kaPZB)
481
"Can he fire Comey? I thought he was appointed to a ten year term and that's that."
Don't think that the Oval Office is normally able to relieve Inspectors General on flimsy pretexts, but Obama did just that when one of the IGs was homing in on a corrupt Obama crony who had diverted federal funds illegally. Outcome? Obama got away with it.
Unscrupulous people in D.C. will do anything they're not restrained from doing, and the Beltway GOP put it on the table in 2009 that they had no intention of restraining ANYTHING done by Chicago Jesus.
Don't think that the Oval Office is normally able to relieve Inspectors General on flimsy pretexts, but Obama did just that when one of the IGs was homing in on a corrupt Obama crony who had diverted federal funds illegally. Outcome? Obama got away with it.
Unscrupulous people in D.C. will do anything they're not restrained from doing, and the Beltway GOP put it on the table in 2009 that they had no intention of restraining ANYTHING done by Chicago Jesus.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (noWW6)
482
Illinois's primary is Tuesday. Early voting's been going on for a bit.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 09, 2016 02:53 PM (u0s1P)
Hillary has already been declared the winner.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at March 09, 2016 02:53 PM (u0s1P)
Hillary has already been declared the winner.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (493sH)
483
Brock Osweiler will sign with the Houston Texans, a source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, agreeing to a four-year, $72 million deal.
Hum? Fitzpatrick to Denver?
Hum? Fitzpatrick to Denver?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (DUoqb)
484
What's funny is Republicans have been spinning their wheels for decades basically losing all sorts of blue states over the abortion issue to woo Evangelicals and then they flock to Trump who's abortion opposition is a joke.
Republicans could have hit pay dirt adopting Trump's position on the border and ignoring SoCon voters a long time ago.
Republicans could have hit pay dirt adopting Trump's position on the border and ignoring SoCon voters a long time ago.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (R6NO9)
485
Whoever has the most delegates at the convention should be the nominee. The 1237 cutoff is arbitrary anyway.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane
Why on earth should a minority of delegates for candidate A be able to overrule a majority of delegates not for candidate A?
The standard has never been who has "the most" delegates. That is not going to change this year to benefit your guy (or my guy for that matter).
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane
Why on earth should a minority of delegates for candidate A be able to overrule a majority of delegates not for candidate A?
The standard has never been who has "the most" delegates. That is not going to change this year to benefit your guy (or my guy for that matter).
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (OrI3J)
486
I wonder what sort of points are persuasive to millenials. Millennial women seem to be pretty upset about Hillary Clinton defending a rapist by badgering the teenage rape victim on the witnesses stand and then laughing about how the girl cried in court.
Feels. So rhethoric that feels their pain.
Following the Rules and Going to College and now Unemployed with Unescapable Debt.
Feels. So rhethoric that feels their pain.
Following the Rules and Going to College and now Unemployed with Unescapable Debt.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 09, 2016 03:50 PM (uURQL)
487
Jerry Falwell?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (FsuaD)
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He's dead, sadly. But maybe he could vote Democrat.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (FsuaD)
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He's dead, sadly. But maybe he could vote Democrat.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 03:50 PM (dFi94)
488
"But I think it would naive to think Trump takes all the new voters AND carries all the existing, reliable voters that seem to deeply dislike him."
Agreed. I did not mean to imply he takes all the new voters. There are many that are out against I am sure. But if Trump were not in the race, then there would not be nearly as much interest as there is and I think much of this is from his supporters. I don't see it just dissappearing completely when the general comes around if he is in fact the nominee.
Agreed. I did not mean to imply he takes all the new voters. There are many that are out against I am sure. But if Trump were not in the race, then there would not be nearly as much interest as there is and I think much of this is from his supporters. I don't see it just dissappearing completely when the general comes around if he is in fact the nominee.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 03:50 PM (WnCSK)
489
Passing classified info to Foundaton donors is an indictable offense. Why else would Bloomingthal have that info?
Posted by: Feminist Bruce With a Feminist Wang! at March 09, 2016 03:50 PM (iQIUe)
490
Hillary has already been declared the winner.
Just read that even thought Bernie won Mich. Hillary got more delegates... super delegates... The fix is in....
Just read that even thought Bernie won Mich. Hillary got more delegates... super delegates... The fix is in....
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 03:50 PM (/dSsq)
491
479
Jerry Falwell?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (FsuaD)
Is dead. His son, Jerry Falwell, Jr., is supposedly in the Trump camp.
Posted by: troyriser at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (UWlp+)
That's right. *slaps forehead* I wonder if his old man is rolling over in his grave?
Jerry Falwell?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (FsuaD)
Is dead. His son, Jerry Falwell, Jr., is supposedly in the Trump camp.
Posted by: troyriser at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (UWlp+)
That's right. *slaps forehead* I wonder if his old man is rolling over in his grave?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 09, 2016 03:51 PM (FsuaD)
492
I am pretty sure the Head of the FBI serves at the pleasure of the AG and the President. He can be fired at any time
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:51 PM (DUoqb)
493
My version of "Christian leader" is guys like Alistair Begg, John McArthur, R.C. Sproul, and Michael Horton and they don't get into politics so...
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016
Although on Renewing Your Mind, R.C. does unequivocally call out abortion for the murder it is. And calls out taxes (for the purposing of giving to someone else) what it is: theft.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016
Although on Renewing Your Mind, R.C. does unequivocally call out abortion for the murder it is. And calls out taxes (for the purposing of giving to someone else) what it is: theft.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 09, 2016 03:51 PM (F0oRd)
494
ocuments Reveal The U.S. Army Indoctrinated Soldiers In The Dangers Of White Privilege
Democrats continue to use the army as a testing ground for social justice.
Weasel Zippers
Disgusting
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:45 PM (DUoqb)
Then whitey ought to quit the military and let everyone else have all of that privilege. And intercourse whoever start that crap. Probably Barry the Fairy
Democrats continue to use the army as a testing ground for social justice.
Weasel Zippers
Disgusting
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:45 PM (DUoqb)
Then whitey ought to quit the military and let everyone else have all of that privilege. And intercourse whoever start that crap. Probably Barry the Fairy
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 09, 2016 03:51 PM (493sH)
495
"What's funny is Republicans have been spinning their wheels for decades
basically losing all sorts of blue states over the abortion issue to woo
Evangelicals and then they flock to Trump who's abortion opposition is a
joke. Republicans could have hit pay dirt adopting Trump's position on the border and ignoring SoCon voters a long time ago."
Disturbingly close to the mark.
basically losing all sorts of blue states over the abortion issue to woo
Evangelicals and then they flock to Trump who's abortion opposition is a
joke. Republicans could have hit pay dirt adopting Trump's position on the border and ignoring SoCon voters a long time ago."
Disturbingly close to the mark.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 09, 2016 03:51 PM (noWW6)
496
Ok then we are clear. I agree, whoever leads going in should be the nominee. Now if we can clear the field, we will see if Trump can expand his appeal (which is the rationale his supporters are giving for him in the general so let's prove it now) or if Cruz really consolidates a majority.
One way or another, I believe that in a two man race the remaining votes will split 2:1 for one of the candidates. The question is which one.
One way or another, I believe that in a two man race the remaining votes will split 2:1 for one of the candidates. The question is which one.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 09, 2016 03:51 PM (tHmVm)
Posted by: wth at March 09, 2016 03:52 PM (HgMAr)
498
420
Guns and boobs.
As I get older, my attention is more drawn to the weapon. I blame expectations on my part. I can realistically aspire to get my hands on the weapon. Young boobies, not so much.
Reality sucks. Deal with it.
Guns and boobs.
As I get older, my attention is more drawn to the weapon. I blame expectations on my part. I can realistically aspire to get my hands on the weapon. Young boobies, not so much.
Reality sucks. Deal with it.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 09, 2016 03:52 PM (FtrY1)
499
Just read that even thought Bernie won Mich. Hillary got more delegates... super delegates... The fix is in....
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 03:50 PM (/dSsq)
Exactly. I think the dope is in on which is why he never says anything about it.
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 03:50 PM (/dSsq)
Exactly. I think the dope is in on which is why he never says anything about it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 09, 2016 03:53 PM (493sH)
500
What states does a General Election Cruz win that Romney couldn't win?
VA?
Well that don't win it for Cruz. Any other?
Florida? Ohio? Michigan?
VA?
Well that don't win it for Cruz. Any other?
Florida? Ohio? Michigan?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 03:53 PM (LXJ1e)
501
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:44 PM (OrI3J)
____________________________________________
What rate of fire will synch boob jiggle with recoil?
Posted by: NotCoach, HotAir Shithead at March 09, 2016 03:48 PM (rsudF)
That is not me in the picture either
____________________________________________
What rate of fire will synch boob jiggle with recoil?
Posted by: NotCoach, HotAir Shithead at March 09, 2016 03:48 PM (rsudF)
That is not me in the picture either
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:53 PM (OrI3J)
502
Republicans could have hit pay dirt adopting Trump's position on the border and ignoring SoCon voters a long time ago.
Wouldn't have worked before this year. And even Trump is pretending he's opposed to abortion at some level.
Although on Renewing Your Mind, R.C. does unequivocally call out abortion for the murder it is. And calls out taxes (for the purposing of giving to someone else) what it is: theft.
Yeah, he'll sometimes bump up against policy (his son more so) but not candidates. Which I believe is how it should be.
Wouldn't have worked before this year. And even Trump is pretending he's opposed to abortion at some level.
Although on Renewing Your Mind, R.C. does unequivocally call out abortion for the murder it is. And calls out taxes (for the purposing of giving to someone else) what it is: theft.
Yeah, he'll sometimes bump up against policy (his son more so) but not candidates. Which I believe is how it should be.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 03:54 PM (39g3+)
503
My version of "Christian leader" is guys like
Alistair Begg, John McArthur, R.C. Sproul, and Michael Horton and they
don't get into politics so...
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 03:48 PM (39g3+)
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I listen to Alistair Begg everyday, and we're going through his tapes on marriage right now. He is such a gifted man, full of grace and truth. He puts on a Pastors Conference every year in Cleveland. I'm hoping to get there one day.
Fiance ordered the entire MacArthur Bible Series, something like 33 volumes. Then ordered another entire set to give away to a young seminarian.
Alistair Begg, John McArthur, R.C. Sproul, and Michael Horton and they
don't get into politics so...
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 03:48 PM (39g3+)
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I listen to Alistair Begg everyday, and we're going through his tapes on marriage right now. He is such a gifted man, full of grace and truth. He puts on a Pastors Conference every year in Cleveland. I'm hoping to get there one day.
Fiance ordered the entire MacArthur Bible Series, something like 33 volumes. Then ordered another entire set to give away to a young seminarian.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 09, 2016 03:54 PM (dFi94)
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Romney couldn't get Joe the Plumber to get off his ass and vote in Ohio. And he couldn't win Florida. Trump can do both, and that's the difference.
Also, Obama still had his coalition going in 2012 with extraordinary turnout by Blacks and the Young. Won't happen in 2016, even if Trump wasn't pouring a bucket of piss on Hillary's head on a daily basis.
Also, Obama still had his coalition going in 2012 with extraordinary turnout by Blacks and the Young. Won't happen in 2016, even if Trump wasn't pouring a bucket of piss on Hillary's head on a daily basis.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 09, 2016 03:54 PM (r1fLd)
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What states does a General Election Cruz win that Romney couldn't win?
VA?
Well that don't win it for Cruz. Any other?
Florida? Ohio? Michigan?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 03:53 PM (LXJ1e)
An actual conservative would have a very good chance of taking VA.
VA?
Well that don't win it for Cruz. Any other?
Florida? Ohio? Michigan?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 03:53 PM (LXJ1e)
An actual conservative would have a very good chance of taking VA.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:55 PM (OrI3J)
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"Brock Osweiler will sign with the Houston Texans, a source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, agreeing to a four-year, $72 million deal.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (DUoqb) "
Well, the Texans plan of signing guys who were good for 4 games worked pretty well with Hoyer. So this makes sense.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (DUoqb) "
Well, the Texans plan of signing guys who were good for 4 games worked pretty well with Hoyer. So this makes sense.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 09, 2016 03:56 PM (4/i9Y)
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484 What's funny is Republicans have been spinning their wheels for decades basically losing all sorts of blue states over the abortion issue to woo Evangelicals and then they flock to Trump who's abortion opposition is a joke.
Republicans could have hit pay dirt adopting Trump's position on the border and ignoring SoCon voters a long time ago.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (R6NO9)
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They have been ignoring the SoCon for years, at least policy wise.
SoCon have wisened up to the shameless pandering.
Republicans could have hit pay dirt adopting Trump's position on the border and ignoring SoCon voters a long time ago.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:49 PM (R6NO9)
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They have been ignoring the SoCon for years, at least policy wise.
SoCon have wisened up to the shameless pandering.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 03:57 PM (LXJ1e)
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What rate of fire will synch boob jiggle with recoil?
Posted by: NotCoach, HotAir Shithead at March 09, 2016 03:48 PM (rsudF)
That is not me in the picture either
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:53 PM (OrI3J)
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While life would be awesome if it were you in the picture, I wasn't implying it was you. I just wondered if there is a standard rule of thumb for rate of fire for synchronization of boob jiggle with recoil.
Posted by: NotCoach, HotAir Shithead at March 09, 2016 03:48 PM (rsudF)
That is not me in the picture either
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:53 PM (OrI3J)
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While life would be awesome if it were you in the picture, I wasn't implying it was you. I just wondered if there is a standard rule of thumb for rate of fire for synchronization of boob jiggle with recoil.
Posted by: NotCoach, HotAir Shithead at March 09, 2016 03:57 PM (rsudF)
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An actual conservative would have a very good chance of taking VA.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:55 PM (OrI3J)
355,960 versus 173,193.
An actual conservative got walked on with golf shoes. If you think there's a more hospitable chance for Cruz in Virginia, I'd love to hear the explanation. As for Florida:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_FL_22516.pdf
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:55 PM (OrI3J)
355,960 versus 173,193.
An actual conservative got walked on with golf shoes. If you think there's a more hospitable chance for Cruz in Virginia, I'd love to hear the explanation. As for Florida:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_FL_22516.pdf
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 03:58 PM (MEHba)
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Ghost of K @ 246- travel mug fit?
You can get a stainless at REI which fits perfectly in the F-150 or Subuaru Forester. I know, too many variables.
You can get a stainless at REI which fits perfectly in the F-150 or Subuaru Forester. I know, too many variables.
Posted by: Eromero at March 09, 2016 03:58 PM (zLDYs)
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An actual conservative would have a very good chance of taking VA.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:55 PM (OrI3J)
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Oh, just like he did last week.
I'll spot you VA. He still doesn't win.
Where else does we win?
An actual conservative would have a very good chance of taking VA.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:55 PM (OrI3J)
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Oh, just like he did last week.
I'll spot you VA. He still doesn't win.
Where else does we win?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 03:59 PM (LXJ1e)
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I'm sorry - but when your pulling in a few small percentage points of a vote and your opponents are pulling in 30-40..
It's not a dirty trick to pass along a story that you might be dropping out - at that point... take a hint.
It's not a dirty trick to pass along a story that you might be dropping out - at that point... take a hint.
Posted by: Reality Man at March 09, 2016 03:59 PM (Ch0fq)
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What states does a General Election Cruz win that Romney couldn't win?
VA?
Well that don't win it for Cruz. Any other?
Florida? Ohio? Michigan?
Posted by: Make America Great Again
Romney came within a point in both Florida and Virginia.
2012 was definitely a winnable election, even though I hate Chris Christie, he would have beaten Obama.
Many conservatives came to the wrong conclusion that a Republican could no longer win America and we had to try something like Trump.
VA?
Well that don't win it for Cruz. Any other?
Florida? Ohio? Michigan?
Posted by: Make America Great Again
Romney came within a point in both Florida and Virginia.
2012 was definitely a winnable election, even though I hate Chris Christie, he would have beaten Obama.
Many conservatives came to the wrong conclusion that a Republican could no longer win America and we had to try something like Trump.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:59 PM (R6NO9)
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That Drudge FBI story is pretty frightening... Sounds like they are trying to run Comey out... I wonder why/
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 04:00 PM (/dSsq)
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NFL teams that win big have an excellent defense. So you can get by with a better than average QB. See Russell Wilson.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 09, 2016 04:00 PM (FtrY1)
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An actual conservative would have a very good chance of taking VA.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:55 PM (OrI3J)
355,960 versus 173,193.
An actual conservative got walked on with golf shoes. If you think
there's a more hospitable chance for Cruz in Virginia, I'd love to hear
the explanation. As for Florida:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_FL_22516.pdf
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 03:58 PM (MEHba)
Virginia is an open primary state... Trump is not going to get those democratic votes in the General.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 03:55 PM (OrI3J)
355,960 versus 173,193.
An actual conservative got walked on with golf shoes. If you think
there's a more hospitable chance for Cruz in Virginia, I'd love to hear
the explanation. As for Florida:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_FL_22516.pdf
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 03:58 PM (MEHba)
Virginia is an open primary state... Trump is not going to get those democratic votes in the General.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:00 PM (OrI3J)
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My standard for a Christian leader is one that clearly loves Jesus and the word of God more than they do money and fame.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:01 PM (39g3+)
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but a freshman Senator, who has accomplished nothing, is not what we need now.
Posted by: rightwingva at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (12N3
I wish more people would accomplish nothing:
Between 1999 and 2003, Cruz was the director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission, an associate deputy attorney general at the United States Department of Justice, and domestic policy advisor to President George W. Bush on the 2000 George W. Bush presidential campaign. He served as Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 to 2008, appointed by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott. He was the first Hispanic, and the longest-serving solicitor general, in Texas history. From 2004 to 2009, Cruz was also an adjunct professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, where he taught U.S. Supreme Court litigation.
Posted by: rightwingva at March 09, 2016 03:43 PM (12N3
I wish more people would accomplish nothing:
Between 1999 and 2003, Cruz was the director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission, an associate deputy attorney general at the United States Department of Justice, and domestic policy advisor to President George W. Bush on the 2000 George W. Bush presidential campaign. He served as Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 to 2008, appointed by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott. He was the first Hispanic, and the longest-serving solicitor general, in Texas history. From 2004 to 2009, Cruz was also an adjunct professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, where he taught U.S. Supreme Court litigation.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:02 PM (J0GbY)
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"NFL teams that win big have an excellent defense. So you can get by with a better than average QB. See Russell Wilson.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 09, 2016 04:00 PM (FtrY1) "
Well, the Broncos can get by with a sack of wet yams at QB, but I'm not sure how many other teams have that luxury.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 09, 2016 04:00 PM (FtrY1) "
Well, the Broncos can get by with a sack of wet yams at QB, but I'm not sure how many other teams have that luxury.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 09, 2016 04:03 PM (4/i9Y)
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They have been ignoring the SoCon for years, at least policy wise.
SoCon have wisened up to the shameless pandering.
Posted by: Make America Great Again
I don't know, you have Rubio and Cruz both signaling they want to outlaw abortion even in rape cases. That's pretty extreme pandering to a tiny minority. Not even Akin and Mourdoch could win on that position in deep red states Romney carried by double digits.
Anyone that really thought America was ever going to be that strident on abortion was living in a fantasy land but Republicans went along with it and basically got shut out of many big states because of SoCon insistence on abortion that turns out was all bullshit.
Trump is on the record even supporting partial birth abortion and calls Planned Parenthood a wonderful organization.
Obviously this was all talk by Evangelicals.
SoCon have wisened up to the shameless pandering.
Posted by: Make America Great Again
I don't know, you have Rubio and Cruz both signaling they want to outlaw abortion even in rape cases. That's pretty extreme pandering to a tiny minority. Not even Akin and Mourdoch could win on that position in deep red states Romney carried by double digits.
Anyone that really thought America was ever going to be that strident on abortion was living in a fantasy land but Republicans went along with it and basically got shut out of many big states because of SoCon insistence on abortion that turns out was all bullshit.
Trump is on the record even supporting partial birth abortion and calls Planned Parenthood a wonderful organization.
Obviously this was all talk by Evangelicals.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:03 PM (R6NO9)
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Romney came within a point in both Florida and Virginia.
2012 was definitely a winnable election, even though I hate Chris Christie, he would have beaten Obama.
Many conservatives came to the wrong conclusion that a Republican could no longer win America and we had to try something like Trump.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:59 PM (R6NO9)
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I spot you VA and Florida.
Cruz still doesn't win.
Romney came within a point in both Florida and Virginia.
2012 was definitely a winnable election, even though I hate Chris Christie, he would have beaten Obama.
Many conservatives came to the wrong conclusion that a Republican could no longer win America and we had to try something like Trump.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:59 PM (R6NO9)
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I spot you VA and Florida.
Cruz still doesn't win.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 04:05 PM (LXJ1e)
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That's pretty extreme pandering to a tiny minority
First off, nobody panders to tiny minorities. There's no value in it, you pander to people that help you.
Second, I think there are a lot more people who consider murdering a helpless innocent baby for something their father did a horrific thing than you beleive.
First off, nobody panders to tiny minorities. There's no value in it, you pander to people that help you.
Second, I think there are a lot more people who consider murdering a helpless innocent baby for something their father did a horrific thing than you beleive.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:05 PM (39g3+)
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I am pretty sure the Head of the FBI serves at the pleasure of the AG and the President. He can be fired at any time
Posted by: Nevergiveup
no the director of the FBI serves for a term of 10 years and is supposed to only be removed by impeachment
he has to be independant of the executive
only 1 FBI director in history has ever been fired by POTUS, and that was Sessions by Bill Clinton
Posted by: Nevergiveup
no the director of the FBI serves for a term of 10 years and is supposed to only be removed by impeachment
he has to be independant of the executive
only 1 FBI director in history has ever been fired by POTUS, and that was Sessions by Bill Clinton
Posted by: ThunderB at March 09, 2016 04:06 PM (zOTsN)
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Virginia is an open primary state... Trump is not going to get those democratic votes in the General.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:00 PM (OrI3J)
And Ted Cruz is? You're not reading what you type. There's no secret hoard of conservative hordes, ready to break out their Cruz banners for the general but not for the GOP primary. Trump has far less money than Cruz, and is beating him anyways. Wait until full strength is opened. Do you really think money will be the problem?
To follow your logic, Cruz is doomed in places like Virginia. People sick of losing have decided to jump on the Trump Train.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:00 PM (OrI3J)
And Ted Cruz is? You're not reading what you type. There's no secret hoard of conservative hordes, ready to break out their Cruz banners for the general but not for the GOP primary. Trump has far less money than Cruz, and is beating him anyways. Wait until full strength is opened. Do you really think money will be the problem?
To follow your logic, Cruz is doomed in places like Virginia. People sick of losing have decided to jump on the Trump Train.
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 04:06 PM (MEHba)
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This article must be a nefarious Cruzian plot///
Posted by: CLN at March 09, 2016 04:06 PM (u0hVo)
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That's pretty extreme pandering to a tiny minority
First off, nobody panders to tiny minorities. There's no value in it, you pander to people that help you.
Second, I think there are a lot more people who consider murdering a
helpless innocent baby for something their father did a horrific thing
than you beleive.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:05 PM (39g3+)
This.
First off, nobody panders to tiny minorities. There's no value in it, you pander to people that help you.
Second, I think there are a lot more people who consider murdering a
helpless innocent baby for something their father did a horrific thing
than you beleive.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:05 PM (39g3+)
This.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:07 PM (OrI3J)
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523 I am pretty sure the Head of the FBI serves at the pleasure of the AG and the President. He can be fired at any time
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Lynch was asked if the FBI recommended that a grand jury be called against Hillary would She have to do it and Lynch said they were not required to do so... There will be no indictment....
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Lynch was asked if the FBI recommended that a grand jury be called against Hillary would She have to do it and Lynch said they were not required to do so... There will be no indictment....
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 04:08 PM (/dSsq)
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I don't know, you have Rubio and Cruz both signaling they want to outlaw abortion even in rape cases. That's pretty extreme pandering to a tiny minority. Not even Akin and Mourdoch could win on that position in deep red states Romney carried by double digits.
Anyone that really thought America was ever going to be that strident on abortion was living in a fantasy land but Republicans went along with it and basically got shut out of many big states because of SoCon insistence on abortion that turns out was all bullshit.
Trump is on the record even supporting partial birth abortion and calls Planned Parenthood a wonderful organization.
Obviously this was all talk by Evangelicals.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:03 PM (R6NO9)
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Yes, that's what I said, wizened up to shameless pandering.
Anyone that really thought America was ever going to be that strident on abortion was living in a fantasy land but Republicans went along with it and basically got shut out of many big states because of SoCon insistence on abortion that turns out was all bullshit.
Trump is on the record even supporting partial birth abortion and calls Planned Parenthood a wonderful organization.
Obviously this was all talk by Evangelicals.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:03 PM (R6NO9)
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Yes, that's what I said, wizened up to shameless pandering.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 04:08 PM (LXJ1e)
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People sick of losing have decided to jump on the Trump Train.
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 04:06 PM (MEHba)
It's really sad to see sick people engaging in activities that will make them sicker...
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 04:06 PM (MEHba)
It's really sad to see sick people engaging in activities that will make them sicker...
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:08 PM (J0GbY)
530
Second, I think there are a lot more people who consider murdering a helpless innocent baby for something their father did a horrific thing than you beleive.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Not according to how Evangelicals are voting this primary.
It certainly means they value other political issues a lot more, Trump is a pro-abortion Republican that's lying and we all know he's lying.
Abortion is one of those issues for me that I figured out a long time ago was going to never be outlawed.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Not according to how Evangelicals are voting this primary.
It certainly means they value other political issues a lot more, Trump is a pro-abortion Republican that's lying and we all know he's lying.
Abortion is one of those issues for me that I figured out a long time ago was going to never be outlawed.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:09 PM (R6NO9)
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Trump is on the record even supporting partial birth abortion and calls Planned Parenthood a wonderful organization.
Obviously this was all talk by Evangelicals.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:03 PM (R6NO9)
I think it's less "all talk" than it is that Evangelicals have decided that war makes for strange bedfellows. Trump doesn't pander to them, and that shows respect. Evangelicals get humiliated in the popular culture but they also get humiliated when they're pandered to like they're sensitive babies. Trump's just giving them the same stump speech. I think that resonates on a very basic level.
Obviously this was all talk by Evangelicals.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:03 PM (R6NO9)
I think it's less "all talk" than it is that Evangelicals have decided that war makes for strange bedfellows. Trump doesn't pander to them, and that shows respect. Evangelicals get humiliated in the popular culture but they also get humiliated when they're pandered to like they're sensitive babies. Trump's just giving them the same stump speech. I think that resonates on a very basic level.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 04:10 PM (xuouz)
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I spot you VA and Florida.
Cruz still doesn't win.
Posted by: Make America Great Again
You're basically now saying it comes down to hanging chads in Ohio. I tend to think Hillary underperforms Obama, especially with black voters,
I will agree that Cruz is not a great candidate to field and would probably come up short, but it's certainly not a "done deal" that he would lose.
If Cruz won VA and FL, it would be incredibly odd for Hillary to win the Presidency
Cruz still doesn't win.
Posted by: Make America Great Again
You're basically now saying it comes down to hanging chads in Ohio. I tend to think Hillary underperforms Obama, especially with black voters,
I will agree that Cruz is not a great candidate to field and would probably come up short, but it's certainly not a "done deal" that he would lose.
If Cruz won VA and FL, it would be incredibly odd for Hillary to win the Presidency
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:12 PM (R6NO9)
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An actual conservative got walked on with golf shoes. If you think
there's a more hospitable chance for Cruz in Virginia, I'd love to hear
the explanation. As for Florida:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_FL_22516.pdf
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 03:58 PM (MEHba)
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Thank you.
Thus my point of where Cruz can win in the general election.
there's a more hospitable chance for Cruz in Virginia, I'd love to hear
the explanation. As for Florida:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_FL_22516.pdf
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 03:58 PM (MEHba)
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Thank you.
Thus my point of where Cruz can win in the general election.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 04:12 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:12 PM (J0GbY)
535
Not according to how Evangelicals are voting this primary.
Your reading is selective. Trump has come out against abortion several times. And this election is about rage against the lying GOPe and established parties betraying people more than anything else. If the guys you've been voting for who pretend to be against abortion continue to lie to you and do nothing to stop it, what difference does it make if you vote for them or Trump? At least a vote for him is a thumb in the eye of the people who treat you with such contempt.
I suspect that your read of the voting public and "evangelicals" is colored by your personal politics more than the reality on the ground.
Not according to how Evangelicals are voting this primary.
Your reading is selective. Trump has come out against abortion several times. And this election is about rage against the lying GOPe and established parties betraying people more than anything else. If the guys you've been voting for who pretend to be against abortion continue to lie to you and do nothing to stop it, what difference does it make if you vote for them or Trump? At least a vote for him is a thumb in the eye of the people who treat you with such contempt.
I suspect that your read of the voting public and "evangelicals" is colored by your personal politics more than the reality on the ground.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:12 PM (39g3+)
536
You mean like his "Two Corinthians" comment, for starters?
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:12 PM (J0GbY)
Yeah but everyone laughed and he went "aw, fuck it."
You see what I'm saying? Even when he panders he's not pandering. It's Trump all the way down.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:12 PM (J0GbY)
Yeah but everyone laughed and he went "aw, fuck it."
You see what I'm saying? Even when he panders he's not pandering. It's Trump all the way down.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 04:14 PM (xuouz)
537
You're basically now saying it comes down to hanging chads in Ohio. I tend to think Hillary underperforms Obama, especially with black voters,
I will agree that Cruz is not a great candidate to field and would probably come up short, but it's certainly not a "done deal" that he would lose.
If Cruz won VA and FL, it would be incredibly odd for Hillary to win the Presidency
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:12 PM (R6NO9)
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Why? What states will Cruz win to get elected.
So based on nothing Cruz wins Ohio now. He still loses.
You're basically now saying it comes down to hanging chads in Ohio. I tend to think Hillary underperforms Obama, especially with black voters,
I will agree that Cruz is not a great candidate to field and would probably come up short, but it's certainly not a "done deal" that he would lose.
If Cruz won VA and FL, it would be incredibly odd for Hillary to win the Presidency
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:12 PM (R6NO9)
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Why? What states will Cruz win to get elected.
So based on nothing Cruz wins Ohio now. He still loses.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 04:14 PM (LXJ1e)
538
I think it's less "all talk" than it is that Evangelicals have decided that war makes for strange bedfellows. Trump doesn't pander to them, and that shows respect. Evangelicals get humiliated in the popular culture but they also get humiliated when they're pandered to like they're sensitive babies. Trump's just giving them the same stump speech. I think that resonates on a very basic level.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane
I think many Evangelicals (and I attend an Evangelical Church) have moved on from these issues as ones that can be addressed by politicians.
It should have happened a long time ago.
I would rather have someone address illegal immigration that talk endlessly about abortion.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane
I think many Evangelicals (and I attend an Evangelical Church) have moved on from these issues as ones that can be addressed by politicians.
It should have happened a long time ago.
I would rather have someone address illegal immigration that talk endlessly about abortion.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:15 PM (R6NO9)
539
Trump has come out against abortion several times.
He has come out against -- and for -- just about every issue at one point or another. You just choose to hear the ones you agree with.
He has come out against -- and for -- just about every issue at one point or another. You just choose to hear the ones you agree with.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:16 PM (J0GbY)
540
Also, note that Trump does much better in open primaries, Cruz in closed primaries. That suggests that actual conservative Christians are voting for Cruz, not Trump.
Meaning the whole "they're stupidz0r hypocrites" argument doesn't really hold up well.
Meaning the whole "they're stupidz0r hypocrites" argument doesn't really hold up well.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:16 PM (39g3+)
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1 thing I do not understand is why Cruz still has anything to do with Glenn Beck? That has to turn off quite a few voters right there.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 04:17 PM (WnCSK)
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You see what I'm saying? Even when he panders he's not pandering. It's Trump all the way down.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 04:14 PM (xuouz)
I see exactly what you are saying. You are saying that even though you acknowledge that Trump is pandering, you just won't call it that.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 04:14 PM (xuouz)
I see exactly what you are saying. You are saying that even though you acknowledge that Trump is pandering, you just won't call it that.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:18 PM (J0GbY)
543
It should have happened a long time ago.
I would rather have someone address illegal immigration that talk endlessly about abortion.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:15 PM (R6NO9)
I think we agree.
I would rather have someone address illegal immigration that talk endlessly about abortion.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:15 PM (R6NO9)
I think we agree.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 04:18 PM (xuouz)
544
Why? What states will Cruz win to get elected.
So based on nothing Cruz wins Ohio now. He still loses.
Posted by: Make America Great Again
You're getting absurdly specific if you think Cruz can come within one state shy of being President and you're therefore writing off his chances.
What if he put Kasich as VP? What then?
Hillary underperforms Obama by 2-3 points and the Republican wins. It's that simple.
I believe Cruz is stronger than Romney, and Hillary weaker than Obama.
It's not a hard case to make.
A 2-3 point shift can happen because of weather patterns.
Why? What states will Cruz win to get elected.
So based on nothing Cruz wins Ohio now. He still loses.
Posted by: Make America Great Again
You're getting absurdly specific if you think Cruz can come within one state shy of being President and you're therefore writing off his chances.
What if he put Kasich as VP? What then?
Hillary underperforms Obama by 2-3 points and the Republican wins. It's that simple.
I believe Cruz is stronger than Romney, and Hillary weaker than Obama.
It's not a hard case to make.
A 2-3 point shift can happen because of weather patterns.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:18 PM (R6NO9)
545
He has come out against -- and for -- just about every issue at one point or another.
Sure, but the argument that he's totes for abortion and evangelicals are betraying themselves over it by voting for him is ignoring that fact.
I am not a Trump supporter. I'm just pointing out some things this fellow is choosing to ignore or is unaware of.
Sure, but the argument that he's totes for abortion and evangelicals are betraying themselves over it by voting for him is ignoring that fact.
I am not a Trump supporter. I'm just pointing out some things this fellow is choosing to ignore or is unaware of.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:19 PM (39g3+)
546
"534 Trump doesn't pander to them
You mean like his "Two Corinthians" comment, for starters?"
I just love getting a saltine and some grape juice. Bigly.
You mean like his "Two Corinthians" comment, for starters?"
I just love getting a saltine and some grape juice. Bigly.
Posted by: Donald Trump at March 09, 2016 04:19 PM (OD2ni)
547
1 thing I do not understand is why Cruz still has anything to do with Glenn Beck? That has to turn off quite a few voters right there.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 04:17 PM (WnCSK)
You mean like Trump continues to have something to do with David Duke. Give me a break. You can't control who says what about you. Stop being disingenuous.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 04:17 PM (WnCSK)
You mean like Trump continues to have something to do with David Duke. Give me a break. You can't control who says what about you. Stop being disingenuous.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:19 PM (J0GbY)
548
I see exactly what you are saying. You are saying that even though you acknowledge that Trump is pandering, you just won't call it that.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:18 PM (J0GbY)
Hah. OK, fair.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:18 PM (J0GbY)
Hah. OK, fair.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 04:21 PM (xuouz)
549
I just love getting a saltine and some grape juice. Bigly.
Posted by: Donald Trump at March 09, 2016 04:19 PM (OD2ni)
lol
Posted by: Donald Trump at March 09, 2016 04:19 PM (OD2ni)
lol
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 04:21 PM (xuouz)
550
Also, note that Trump does much better in open primaries, Cruz in closed primaries. That suggests that actual conservative Christians are voting for Cruz, not Trump.
Meaning the whole "they're stupidz0r hypocrites" argument doesn't really hold up well.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
When exit polls are done, Trump dominates with Evangelicals. That's across the board in nearly every state and many times 2-1 support.
You would have to assume people are lying about Evangelicals to pollsters.
Most "country club" Republicans are reliable primary voters and the donor class and they hate Donald Trump. That could also be why you're seeing that pattern for why Cruz/Rubio/Kasich do better when only Republicans are there.
Meaning the whole "they're stupidz0r hypocrites" argument doesn't really hold up well.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
When exit polls are done, Trump dominates with Evangelicals. That's across the board in nearly every state and many times 2-1 support.
You would have to assume people are lying about Evangelicals to pollsters.
Most "country club" Republicans are reliable primary voters and the donor class and they hate Donald Trump. That could also be why you're seeing that pattern for why Cruz/Rubio/Kasich do better when only Republicans are there.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:22 PM (R6NO9)
551
As for two corinthians, I've heard Seminary professors use that, its a bit archaic but hardly unknown. I'm not saying Trump is comfortable and conversant with the Bible - I doubt he's ever read a single book of it - but the usage is not this colossal joke people seem to be imagining.
In fact, the reaction says a lot about the people reacting and their Biblical familiarity.
In fact, the reaction says a lot about the people reacting and their Biblical familiarity.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:23 PM (39g3+)
552
I hate reading analyses that claim to be about the good of the movement when the conclusion of the analysis is "my candidate is the only option now." I happen to agree that Rubio should drop out, but Cruz supporters are generally being real dickish about it. They have way more in common with Rubio4Eva types than they'd probably like to admit.
Posted by: FJ Min at March 09, 2016 04:23 PM (f1Xhc)
553
The type of Hispanic that takes the time to vote in a Republican caucus is already in the bag. So I don't think you can extrapolate much from that.
Whoever has an R next to their name is going to get their vote most likely.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (R6NO9)
That's fair. So if they all have R's next to their name, and one is not only Hispanic but also severely conservative, yet he's defeated anyways- what does that augur?
I suppose I should rephrase: the Hispanic and evangelical vote might not indicate how they'll turn out for Trump, but if that's the case then they'll be even less enthusiastic for Cruz. The idea that Cruz is somehow stronger than Trump when his favored demographics are going Trump WITHIN the GOP shows that the upside to Cruz is very limited. By extension, Trump's prospects for the general are far better than Cruz's. And if people are trying to say that huge GOP turnout won't lead to high enthusiasm for the election-
- Well, 2012 was supposedly hopeful as well. The difference is, Mitt was far harsher on Trump than he ever was on Obama. Trump is preparing to actually fight the Democrats effectively.
Whoever has an R next to their name is going to get their vote most likely.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 03:47 PM (R6NO9)
That's fair. So if they all have R's next to their name, and one is not only Hispanic but also severely conservative, yet he's defeated anyways- what does that augur?
I suppose I should rephrase: the Hispanic and evangelical vote might not indicate how they'll turn out for Trump, but if that's the case then they'll be even less enthusiastic for Cruz. The idea that Cruz is somehow stronger than Trump when his favored demographics are going Trump WITHIN the GOP shows that the upside to Cruz is very limited. By extension, Trump's prospects for the general are far better than Cruz's. And if people are trying to say that huge GOP turnout won't lead to high enthusiasm for the election-
- Well, 2012 was supposedly hopeful as well. The difference is, Mitt was far harsher on Trump than he ever was on Obama. Trump is preparing to actually fight the Democrats effectively.
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 04:24 PM (MEHba)
554
I see some of You are "passionate" about Your Candidate..I really don't have a horse in this race except ABH......
Posted by: donna at March 09, 2016 04:24 PM (/dSsq)
555
"545 He has come out against -- and for -- just about every issue at one point or another."
I don't fault him much for that. So many politicians are insincere on that issue (Romney, Gore, etc.). Hell, I remember my mother arguing with her pro-life group friends in 1980 because they were refusing to vote for Reagan because George HW Bush was pro-choice at the time.
I don't fault him much for that. So many politicians are insincere on that issue (Romney, Gore, etc.). Hell, I remember my mother arguing with her pro-life group friends in 1980 because they were refusing to vote for Reagan because George HW Bush was pro-choice at the time.
Posted by: Donald Trump at March 09, 2016 04:24 PM (OD2ni)
556
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:19 PM (39g3+)
I don't see it as betraying themselves. Most of them, like Cruz, believe that this should be left up to the states. It simply isn't an issue for them to consider when picking a presidential candidate. It is only a "big deal" because it is constantly being propped up by the MSM as a weapon against conservatives.
I don't see it as betraying themselves. Most of them, like Cruz, believe that this should be left up to the states. It simply isn't an issue for them to consider when picking a presidential candidate. It is only a "big deal" because it is constantly being propped up by the MSM as a weapon against conservatives.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:24 PM (J0GbY)
557
And Ted Cruz is? You're not reading what you type.
There's no secret hoard of conservative hordes, ready to break out their
Cruz banners for the general but not for the GOP primary. Trump has far
less money than Cruz, and is beating him anyways. Wait until full
strength is opened. Do you really think money will be the problem?
To follow your logic, Cruz is doomed in places like Virginia. People sick of losing have decided to jump on the Trump Train.
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 04:06 PM (MEHba)
A morality tale from Virginia:
The Tea Party local to the 7th Congressional district as well as other conservatives put forth an unknown candidate with impeccable conservative beliefs. Said candidate did not run a negative campaign trashing his very (VERY) powerful opponent. Instead he ran on the Virginia Republican Creed which reads:
We Believe:
-- That the free enterprise system is the most productive supplier of human needs and economic justice,
-- That all individuals are entitled to equal rights, justice and opportunities and should assume their responsibilities as citizens of a free society,
-- That fiscal responsibility and budgetary restraint must be exercised at all levels of government,
-- That the federal government must preserve individual liberty by observing Constitutional limitations,
-- That peace is best preserved through a strong national defense,
-- That faith in God as recognized by our founding fathers is essential to the moral fiber of the nation.
That is all he ran on. At every speech and town hall, he emphasized those points (ALL of those points even the icky religious one) and linked them to... immigration, crony socialism, etc... to point out where he intended to do better. He did that while volunteers knocked on thousands of doors to give the same message.
Not only did did that guy whip Eric Cantor's ass but he went on to win unprecedented majorities in the general election. He even won the parts of deep blue Richmond City that are in the 7th... something no Republican has ever done in the modern age.
The moral of that story is, if you have a conservative message and you are credible and honest with it voters will respond.
There's no secret hoard of conservative hordes, ready to break out their
Cruz banners for the general but not for the GOP primary. Trump has far
less money than Cruz, and is beating him anyways. Wait until full
strength is opened. Do you really think money will be the problem?
To follow your logic, Cruz is doomed in places like Virginia. People sick of losing have decided to jump on the Trump Train.
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 04:06 PM (MEHba)
A morality tale from Virginia:
The Tea Party local to the 7th Congressional district as well as other conservatives put forth an unknown candidate with impeccable conservative beliefs. Said candidate did not run a negative campaign trashing his very (VERY) powerful opponent. Instead he ran on the Virginia Republican Creed which reads:
We Believe:
-- That the free enterprise system is the most productive supplier of human needs and economic justice,
-- That all individuals are entitled to equal rights, justice and opportunities and should assume their responsibilities as citizens of a free society,
-- That fiscal responsibility and budgetary restraint must be exercised at all levels of government,
-- That the federal government must preserve individual liberty by observing Constitutional limitations,
-- That peace is best preserved through a strong national defense,
-- That faith in God as recognized by our founding fathers is essential to the moral fiber of the nation.
That is all he ran on. At every speech and town hall, he emphasized those points (ALL of those points even the icky religious one) and linked them to... immigration, crony socialism, etc... to point out where he intended to do better. He did that while volunteers knocked on thousands of doors to give the same message.
Not only did did that guy whip Eric Cantor's ass but he went on to win unprecedented majorities in the general election. He even won the parts of deep blue Richmond City that are in the 7th... something no Republican has ever done in the modern age.
The moral of that story is, if you have a conservative message and you are credible and honest with it voters will respond.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:25 PM (OrI3J)
558
You're getting absurdly specific if you think Cruz can come within one state shy of being President and you're therefore writing off his chances.
What if he put Kasich as VP? What then?
Hillary underperforms Obama by 2-3 points and the Republican wins. It's that simple.
I believe Cruz is stronger than Romney, and Hillary weaker than Obama.
It's not a hard case to make.
A 2-3 point shift can happen because of weather patterns.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:18 PM (R6NO9)
----------------------------
BS. Make some case of how Cruz can win these states (I've been spotting them to you, but the list is getting long).
He came in third in VA, but somehow he will beat Hillary even though VA voted for McCulliffe just two years ago.
He is currently in third in FL and is begging Rubio to get out and even then may not beat Trump. Yet he'll win Florida.
He is currently in third in Ohio, but somehow will pull out a victory there too in the GE.
Your theory of victory is depressed turnout for Hillary.
You're getting absurdly specific if you think Cruz can come within one state shy of being President and you're therefore writing off his chances.
What if he put Kasich as VP? What then?
Hillary underperforms Obama by 2-3 points and the Republican wins. It's that simple.
I believe Cruz is stronger than Romney, and Hillary weaker than Obama.
It's not a hard case to make.
A 2-3 point shift can happen because of weather patterns.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:18 PM (R6NO9)
----------------------------
BS. Make some case of how Cruz can win these states (I've been spotting them to you, but the list is getting long).
He came in third in VA, but somehow he will beat Hillary even though VA voted for McCulliffe just two years ago.
He is currently in third in FL and is begging Rubio to get out and even then may not beat Trump. Yet he'll win Florida.
He is currently in third in Ohio, but somehow will pull out a victory there too in the GE.
Your theory of victory is depressed turnout for Hillary.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 04:25 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:26 PM (J0GbY)
560
You can't control who says what about you. Stop being disingenuous.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:19 PM (J0GbY)
... but you can control who's up on stage with you, touted as a major endorsement.
https://www.tedcruz.org/news/glenn-beck-endorses-ted-cruz-for-president/
Who's being disingenuous?
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:19 PM (J0GbY)
... but you can control who's up on stage with you, touted as a major endorsement.
https://www.tedcruz.org/news/glenn-beck-endorses-ted-cruz-for-president/
Who's being disingenuous?
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 04:27 PM (MEHba)
561
I'm not saying Trump is comfortable and conversant with the Bible - I doubt he's ever read a single book of it
So you think he's pandering.
So you think he's pandering.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:27 PM (J0GbY)
562
"You mean like Trump continues to have something to do with David Duke. Give me a break. You can't control who says what about you. Stop being disingenuous"
WTF.. Hey ass...perhaps you ought to read up a little before you flame...he is doing events with him.
From Cruz's Twitter:
"SUNDAY: Join me, @ Glenn Beck, and Chuck Norris: eventbrite"
WTF.. Hey ass...perhaps you ought to read up a little before you flame...he is doing events with him.
From Cruz's Twitter:
"SUNDAY: Join me, @ Glenn Beck, and Chuck Norris: eventbrite"
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 04:28 PM (WnCSK)
563
You would have to assume people are lying about Evangelicals to pollsters.
Or that exit polls suck, which has been proven in every exit poll ever done since they were first attempted.
No, seriously. You only get answers from people who are willing to stick around and talk to you from the hundreds that walk out and wish you'd just leave them the hell alone. They're infamously the worst and least reliable of all polls.
You know what is the most reliable? Actual election results. See above.
Or that exit polls suck, which has been proven in every exit poll ever done since they were first attempted.
No, seriously. You only get answers from people who are willing to stick around and talk to you from the hundreds that walk out and wish you'd just leave them the hell alone. They're infamously the worst and least reliable of all polls.
You know what is the most reliable? Actual election results. See above.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:28 PM (39g3+)
564
".. but you can control who's up on stage with you, touted as a major endorsement.
https://www.tedcruz.org/news/glenn-beck-endorses-ted-cruz-for-president/
Who's being disingenuous?
=1 ...thanks.
https://www.tedcruz.org/news/glenn-beck-endorses-ted-cruz-for-president/
Who's being disingenuous?
=1 ...thanks.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 04:28 PM (WnCSK)
565
Not only did did that guy whip Eric Cantor's ass but he went on to win unprecedented majorities in the general election. He even won the parts of deep blue Richmond City that are in the 7th... something no Republican has ever done in the modern age.
The moral of that story is, if you have a conservative message and you are credible and honest with it voters will respond.
Posted by: redbanzai
You're talking about a gerrymandered district that favors Republicans by like 20 points.
Mark Sanford was also able to win a Congressional district despite that stunt he pulled with his mistress
Apples and Oranges
The moral of that story is, if you have a conservative message and you are credible and honest with it voters will respond.
Posted by: redbanzai
You're talking about a gerrymandered district that favors Republicans by like 20 points.
Mark Sanford was also able to win a Congressional district despite that stunt he pulled with his mistress
Apples and Oranges
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:29 PM (R6NO9)
566
RedBanzai @ 557 Bingo!
You are exactly right! That's how Brat did it to the rino Cantor. I see Cruz as the right path for America. Says what he believes. Does what he says.
You are exactly right! That's how Brat did it to the rino Cantor. I see Cruz as the right path for America. Says what he believes. Does what he says.
Posted by: Eromero at March 09, 2016 04:29 PM (zLDYs)
567
If Rubio loses Florida, his career is over. Period. He quit his Senate job after just one do-nothing term and he couldn't even win his own state in the primary. He'll never be a national player again. And I can't imagine Trump or Cruz making him their VP. There's too much bad blood, he gives them almost nothing, and clearly he doesn't even have much influence in Florida. The only chance he can save his future is by getting out immediately, before Florida. But he won't. Bye bye, Rubio. I actually used to kind of like you.
Posted by: Exfoliation Victim Burial Unit at March 09, 2016 04:30 PM (Y8P5w)
568
So you think he's pandering.
I think its extremely likely, yes. I don't believe 4 out of 5 words out of Trump's cakehole.
It simply isn't an issue for them to consider when picking a presidential candidate.
Abortion is a huge issue with Christians because: babies being murdered. The problem is, as I laid out above, they're all lying and at least Trump will be a thumb in the eye of the GOPe.
So you think he's pandering.
I think its extremely likely, yes. I don't believe 4 out of 5 words out of Trump's cakehole.
It simply isn't an issue for them to consider when picking a presidential candidate.
Abortion is a huge issue with Christians because: babies being murdered. The problem is, as I laid out above, they're all lying and at least Trump will be a thumb in the eye of the GOPe.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:30 PM (39g3+)
569
No, seriously. You only get answers from people who are willing to stick around and talk to you from the hundreds that walk out and wish you'd just leave them the hell alone. They're infamously the worst and least reliable of all polls.
You know what is the most reliable? Actual election results. See above.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Sounds like wish casting to me
Trump would not be dominating GOP contests unless he was doing well with Evangelical voters. I mean the guy came in 2nd in Iowa.
It would be like saying Trump isn't getting white male voters.
I honestly don't think many people lie about being an Evangelical and this polling data is showing up in everyone's polling. It's not a single data point.
You know what is the most reliable? Actual election results. See above.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Sounds like wish casting to me
Trump would not be dominating GOP contests unless he was doing well with Evangelical voters. I mean the guy came in 2nd in Iowa.
It would be like saying Trump isn't getting white male voters.
I honestly don't think many people lie about being an Evangelical and this polling data is showing up in everyone's polling. It's not a single data point.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:32 PM (R6NO9)
570
I'm not saying Trump is comfortable and conversant with the Bible - I doubt he's ever read a single book of it
====
So you think he's pandering.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:27 PM (J0GbY)
Look there's pandering and then there's pandering. It's one thing to make nice noises about a group of people so they'll vote for you. It's another thing to be all smarmy while you do it and promise them the world without really meaning it, then get back in your car and talk shit.
Trump hammers away at the idea that Christianity needs to not be a bad word to our corporations and corporate culture, and wants to repeal a law that disallows pastors and clergy from speaking out about politics. He wants to see Merry Christmas in stores again. Is that pandering? Or is that a pragmatic way to approach the issue of the "fringification" of Christianity in the popular culture without actually pretending he's a committed Christian?
====
So you think he's pandering.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:27 PM (J0GbY)
Look there's pandering and then there's pandering. It's one thing to make nice noises about a group of people so they'll vote for you. It's another thing to be all smarmy while you do it and promise them the world without really meaning it, then get back in your car and talk shit.
Trump hammers away at the idea that Christianity needs to not be a bad word to our corporations and corporate culture, and wants to repeal a law that disallows pastors and clergy from speaking out about politics. He wants to see Merry Christmas in stores again. Is that pandering? Or is that a pragmatic way to approach the issue of the "fringification" of Christianity in the popular culture without actually pretending he's a committed Christian?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 04:33 PM (xuouz)
571
".. but you can control who's up on stage with you, touted as a major endorsement.
https://www.tedcruz.org/news/glenn-beck-endorses-ted-cruz-for-president/
Who's being disingenuous?
=1 ...thanks.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 04:28 PM (WnCSK)
Meh... I think Beck is a nut and he isn't my cup of tea but other people's results vary.
https://www.tedcruz.org/news/glenn-beck-endorses-ted-cruz-for-president/
Who's being disingenuous?
=1 ...thanks.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 09, 2016 04:28 PM (WnCSK)
Meh... I think Beck is a nut and he isn't my cup of tea but other people's results vary.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:34 PM (OrI3J)
572
"559 I don't fault him much for that.
But any other candidate you would call a damned flip-flopper.
Posted by: db"
Not me (Trump sock fail). I just presume most politicians are full of it on abortion and accept it. So long as they believe that voting pro-life is in their self-interest, ok with me.
But any other candidate you would call a damned flip-flopper.
Posted by: db"
Not me (Trump sock fail). I just presume most politicians are full of it on abortion and accept it. So long as they believe that voting pro-life is in their self-interest, ok with me.
Posted by: Benji Carver at March 09, 2016 04:34 PM (OD2ni)
573
Abortion is a huge issue with Christians because: babies being murdered. The problem is, as I laid out above, they're all lying and at least Trump will be a thumb in the eye of the GOPe.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Christians also "care" about the sin of divorce, they just don't look to a political solution anymore to address it.
The Religious Right that thought politics was how the nation was going to have its soul saved is just not around anymore like it was in the 80's.
It doesn't mean they are are pro-abortion, I just don't know many Christians that focus much on outlawing abortion anymore.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Christians also "care" about the sin of divorce, they just don't look to a political solution anymore to address it.
The Religious Right that thought politics was how the nation was going to have its soul saved is just not around anymore like it was in the 80's.
It doesn't mean they are are pro-abortion, I just don't know many Christians that focus much on outlawing abortion anymore.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:35 PM (R6NO9)
574
The moral of that story is, if you have a conservative message and you are credible and honest with it voters will respond.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:25 PM (OrI3J)
It's a fine story. The alternate hypothesis is that Eric Cantor was widely loathed for his support of the establishment, and an enthusiastic effort overcame a lack of money to put Dave Brat in his seat.
It would also explain how Trump beat Cruz in Virginia, btw. You can't say the primary electorate were stalwart conservatives in one year and how they became liberal toadies the next. It's just silly.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:25 PM (OrI3J)
It's a fine story. The alternate hypothesis is that Eric Cantor was widely loathed for his support of the establishment, and an enthusiastic effort overcame a lack of money to put Dave Brat in his seat.
It would also explain how Trump beat Cruz in Virginia, btw. You can't say the primary electorate were stalwart conservatives in one year and how they became liberal toadies the next. It's just silly.
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 04:35 PM (MEHba)
575
Abortion is a huge issue with Christians because
Not when considering a Presidential candidate. It used to be. Now, not so much.
Not when considering a Presidential candidate. It used to be. Now, not so much.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:36 PM (J0GbY)
576
Abortion is a huge issue with Christians because
Not when considering a Presidential candidate. It used to be. Now, not so much.
Posted by: db
+1
Not when considering a Presidential candidate. It used to be. Now, not so much.
Posted by: db
+1
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:37 PM (R6NO9)
577
Look there's pandering and then there's pandering.
It's one thing to make nice noises about a group of people so they'll
vote for you. It's another thing to be all smarmy while you do it and
promise them the world without really meaning it, then get back in your
car and talk shit.
Trump hammers away at the idea that Christianity needs to not be a
bad word to our corporations and corporate culture, and wants to repeal a
law that disallows pastors and clergy from speaking out about politics.
He wants to see Merry Christmas in stores again. Is that pandering? Or
is that a pragmatic way to approach the issue of the "fringification" of
Christianity in the popular culture without actually pretending he's a
committed Christian?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 04:33 PM (xuouz)
Trump is fine with bakers being forced to bake wedding cakes and duly elected constitutional officers being jailed for not issuing licenses that are abhorrent to their consciences because "its the law of the land"... so yeah he is pandering with the easy stuff and throwing Christians under the bus on the hard stuff.
It's one thing to make nice noises about a group of people so they'll
vote for you. It's another thing to be all smarmy while you do it and
promise them the world without really meaning it, then get back in your
car and talk shit.
Trump hammers away at the idea that Christianity needs to not be a
bad word to our corporations and corporate culture, and wants to repeal a
law that disallows pastors and clergy from speaking out about politics.
He wants to see Merry Christmas in stores again. Is that pandering? Or
is that a pragmatic way to approach the issue of the "fringification" of
Christianity in the popular culture without actually pretending he's a
committed Christian?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 04:33 PM (xuouz)
Trump is fine with bakers being forced to bake wedding cakes and duly elected constitutional officers being jailed for not issuing licenses that are abhorrent to their consciences because "its the law of the land"... so yeah he is pandering with the easy stuff and throwing Christians under the bus on the hard stuff.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:37 PM (OrI3J)
578
Eric cantor lost his primary over immigration. Period.
The other stuff nobody cared about. It was done to send a message.
I'm glad Cantor got canned over it.
The other stuff nobody cared about. It was done to send a message.
I'm glad Cantor got canned over it.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:38 PM (R6NO9)
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:38 PM (J0GbY)
580
Christians also "care" about the sin of divorce, they just don't look to a political solution anymore to address it.
It never was a political solution, its a legal one. That battle still goes on, but you know when you have to fight 800 things at once, its hard to put out the same passion for all of them.
The argument that someone doesn't really care about an issue because they don't do what you say they should has never held much weight with me.
Not when considering a Presidential candidate.
Trust me. It still is, as Cruz doing so well in closed primary votes demonstrates.
I can tell you aren't very familiar with or have much to do with actual Christians.
Christians also "care" about the sin of divorce, they just don't look to a political solution anymore to address it.
It never was a political solution, its a legal one. That battle still goes on, but you know when you have to fight 800 things at once, its hard to put out the same passion for all of them.
The argument that someone doesn't really care about an issue because they don't do what you say they should has never held much weight with me.
Not when considering a Presidential candidate.
Trust me. It still is, as Cruz doing so well in closed primary votes demonstrates.
I can tell you aren't very familiar with or have much to do with actual Christians.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:38 PM (39g3+)
581
Not only did did that guy whip Eric Cantor's ass but he went on to win unprecedented majorities in the general election. He even won the parts of deep blue Richmond City that are in the 7th... something no Republican has ever done in the modern age.
The moral of that story is, if you have a conservative message and you are credible and honest with it voters will respond.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:25 PM (OrI3J)
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I find it hard to believe that Cruz could pull off what Cuccinelli couldn't.
And Brat's victory was one overarching policy, immigration. Cruz don't pull that kind of support on immigration. Hell he couldn't pull 20% in the primary.
Not only did did that guy whip Eric Cantor's ass but he went on to win unprecedented majorities in the general election. He even won the parts of deep blue Richmond City that are in the 7th... something no Republican has ever done in the modern age.
The moral of that story is, if you have a conservative message and you are credible and honest with it voters will respond.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:25 PM (OrI3J)
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I find it hard to believe that Cruz could pull off what Cuccinelli couldn't.
And Brat's victory was one overarching policy, immigration. Cruz don't pull that kind of support on immigration. Hell he couldn't pull 20% in the primary.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 04:41 PM (LXJ1e)
582
Christians also "care" about the sin of divorce, they just don't look to a political solution anymore to address it.
It never was a political solution, its a legal one. That battle still goes on, but you know when you have to fight 800 things at once, its hard to put out the same passion for all of them.
There are people like Cuccinelli that tried to make divorces harder to get.
There was also a big push to get pornography banned, blue laws for alcohol, etc
Most of these "sins" are going to be decided by the person, that's the logical conclusion most people have come to in the Christian community.
It doesn't mean they support these things, just that they don't expect a politican to fix them.
It never was a political solution, its a legal one. That battle still goes on, but you know when you have to fight 800 things at once, its hard to put out the same passion for all of them.
There are people like Cuccinelli that tried to make divorces harder to get.
There was also a big push to get pornography banned, blue laws for alcohol, etc
Most of these "sins" are going to be decided by the person, that's the logical conclusion most people have come to in the Christian community.
It doesn't mean they support these things, just that they don't expect a politican to fix them.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:42 PM (R6NO9)
583
rb I just don't believe that's the case. What are you basing that off of?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 04:44 PM (xuouz)
584
I find it hard to believe that Cruz could pull off what Cuccinelli couldn't.
Cuccinelli was fighting an uphill battle against allegations of corruption by the Gov he served under. He almost managed to pull it off anyway.
Cuccinelli was fighting an uphill battle against allegations of corruption by the Gov he served under. He almost managed to pull it off anyway.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:44 PM (J0GbY)
585
Trump is fine with bakers being forced to bake wedding cakes and duly elected constitutional officers being jailed for not issuing licenses that are abhorrent to their consciences because "its the law of the land"... so yeah he is pandering with the easy stuff and throwing Christians under the bus on the hard stuff.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:37 PM (OrI3J)
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As if any GOP candidate would do anything. What's Cruz going to do throw a judge in jail for jailing a probate judge? Shut down the government?
Trump is fine with bakers being forced to bake wedding cakes and duly elected constitutional officers being jailed for not issuing licenses that are abhorrent to their consciences because "its the law of the land"... so yeah he is pandering with the easy stuff and throwing Christians under the bus on the hard stuff.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:37 PM (OrI3J)
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As if any GOP candidate would do anything. What's Cruz going to do throw a judge in jail for jailing a probate judge? Shut down the government?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 04:44 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 09, 2016 04:45 PM (Lqy/e)
587
Cuccinelli was fighting an uphill battle against allegations of corruption by the Gov he served under. He almost managed to pull it off anyway.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:44 PM (J0GbY)
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Against master criminal McCulliffe.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:44 PM (J0GbY)
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Against master criminal McCulliffe.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 04:46 PM (LXJ1e)
588
Cuccinelli was a good test run for an unapologetic SoCon, and he got beat by an absolute crook.
Cuccinelli wanted to bring back sodomy laws. The guy was a horrible pick. And then the VA GOP legislature got into the weeds about mandatory sonnograms for abortions.
I'm sure he was well meaning, but a "normal" Republican would have easily won against McCauliffe.
Cuccinelli wanted to bring back sodomy laws. The guy was a horrible pick. And then the VA GOP legislature got into the weeds about mandatory sonnograms for abortions.
I'm sure he was well meaning, but a "normal" Republican would have easily won against McCauliffe.
Posted by: Contango at March 09, 2016 04:47 PM (R6NO9)
589
I can tell you aren't very familiar with or have much to do with actual Christians.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:38 PM (39g3+)
You have no idea what I am or am not familiar with. You are grasping at straws now. I'm not wasting any more time on you.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2016 04:38 PM (39g3+)
You have no idea what I am or am not familiar with. You are grasping at straws now. I'm not wasting any more time on you.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:47 PM (J0GbY)
590
Against master criminal McCulliffe.
Which the LIVs new nothing about. But the MSM was hamming on the corruption allegations.
Which the LIVs new nothing about. But the MSM was hamming on the corruption allegations.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:49 PM (J0GbY)
591
The Trump Network website advertised a chance to, "Get involved in the greatest financial opportunity in America today!"
That is like, pure uncut Trump.
Hey, does anyone know if that turned out to be true? Maybe they were selling Apple stock or something.
That is like, pure uncut Trump.
Hey, does anyone know if that turned out to be true? Maybe they were selling Apple stock or something.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 04:53 PM (74ZYB)
592
Posit that The Donald DOES win the nomination.
Being a Cruz supporter that is not my nominal outcome.
What are you people here going to do and what, I wonder, will the electorate do-- considering the alternative?
Posit that The Donald DOES win the nomination.
Being a Cruz supporter that is not my nominal outcome.
What are you people here going to do and what, I wonder, will the electorate do-- considering the alternative?
Posted by: irongrampa at March 09, 2016 04:53 PM (P/8aq)
593
Reposted from other thread:
The question I keep posting is: Give me a state by state scenario where - if Hillary is "exonerated" in the emails/foundation stuff - Cruz wins enough states to get 270. I get responses disconnected to reality and have yet to see how Cruz gets OH, MI, FL, PA, VA, CO, NM - that's the ballgame right there.
I still think Cruz loses easy to Hillary (again without any clouds hanging over her) because they will demonize him as an anti-gay anti-abortion theocrat zealot - and he frankly has not done enough to dissuade this image. He seriously needs an image makeover, but that should have happened before the campaign season.
While Trump's loose cannon nature bothers me - he doesn't seem to have any real core convictions and has been way too repetitive lately - I can see him toning way way down for the general and winning all of the above states and NY, MA, CT, NJ, possibly even CA (remember, they voted for Ahhnald) - in what would be a real "preference cascade" type of event where people would keep support secret until election day.
The question I keep posting is: Give me a state by state scenario where - if Hillary is "exonerated" in the emails/foundation stuff - Cruz wins enough states to get 270. I get responses disconnected to reality and have yet to see how Cruz gets OH, MI, FL, PA, VA, CO, NM - that's the ballgame right there.
I still think Cruz loses easy to Hillary (again without any clouds hanging over her) because they will demonize him as an anti-gay anti-abortion theocrat zealot - and he frankly has not done enough to dissuade this image. He seriously needs an image makeover, but that should have happened before the campaign season.
While Trump's loose cannon nature bothers me - he doesn't seem to have any real core convictions and has been way too repetitive lately - I can see him toning way way down for the general and winning all of the above states and NY, MA, CT, NJ, possibly even CA (remember, they voted for Ahhnald) - in what would be a real "preference cascade" type of event where people would keep support secret until election day.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 09, 2016 04:55 PM (m40v5)
594
Somehow Cruz is the magic bullet in VA that Trump isn't, even though Trump beat Cruz. Even though the same type couldn't win the governorship.
It doesn't make any sense.
And that just one state that is probably most likely to flip.
It doesn't make any sense.
And that just one state that is probably most likely to flip.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 09, 2016 04:55 PM (LXJ1e)
595
It's a fine story. The alternate hypothesis is that
Eric Cantor was widely loathed for his support of the establishment, and
an enthusiastic effort overcame a lack of money to put Dave Brat in his
seat.
It would also explain how Trump beat Cruz in Virginia, btw. You
can't say the primary electorate were stalwart conservatives in one year
and how they became liberal toadies the next. It's just silly.
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 04:35 PM (MEHba)
Actually I can say that because Dave Brat's campaign was very under the radar so there was no concerted effort to get Dems to the polls to pick the easiest candidate for a Democrat to beat... the Democrats were not even going to oppose Cantor and did not pick a candidate until the weekend before Brat won the Tuesday primary.
OTOH, Dems had plenty of time to game out their best strategy for the primaries last Tuesday. Virginia saw low turnout for Dems and high turnout for Republicans which supports the hypothesis that voters were crossing over to effect the outcome of the opposite party's process.
The scotching of that process, however does not impact whether Virginians (or any citizens of the US) will respond better to actual conservatism than the do to deal making and more of the same (which is what Trump offers).
Eric Cantor was widely loathed for his support of the establishment, and
an enthusiastic effort overcame a lack of money to put Dave Brat in his
seat.
It would also explain how Trump beat Cruz in Virginia, btw. You
can't say the primary electorate were stalwart conservatives in one year
and how they became liberal toadies the next. It's just silly.
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 04:35 PM (MEHba)
Actually I can say that because Dave Brat's campaign was very under the radar so there was no concerted effort to get Dems to the polls to pick the easiest candidate for a Democrat to beat... the Democrats were not even going to oppose Cantor and did not pick a candidate until the weekend before Brat won the Tuesday primary.
OTOH, Dems had plenty of time to game out their best strategy for the primaries last Tuesday. Virginia saw low turnout for Dems and high turnout for Republicans which supports the hypothesis that voters were crossing over to effect the outcome of the opposite party's process.
The scotching of that process, however does not impact whether Virginians (or any citizens of the US) will respond better to actual conservatism than the do to deal making and more of the same (which is what Trump offers).
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:56 PM (OrI3J)
596
Jeb meeting with everyone except Trump pre debate.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 09, 2016 04:45 PM (Lqy/e)
Oh no, whatever will Trump do
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 09, 2016 04:45 PM (Lqy/e)
Oh no, whatever will Trump do
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 04:56 PM (xuouz)
597
Trump will fight just as hard for you as he did against the Iraq invasion, Planned Parenthood and Harry Reid.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 04:56 PM (74ZYB)
598
Remember when Reagan dodged the draft with fake heel spurs and then called Bush a fake war hero?
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 04:58 PM (74ZYB)
599
OTOH, Dems had plenty of time to game out their best strategy for the primaries last Tuesday. Virginia saw low turnout for Dems and high turnout for Republicans which supports the hypothesis that voters were crossing over to effect the outcome of the opposite party's process.
The scotching of that process, however does not impact whether Virginians (or any citizens of the US) will respond better to actual conservatism than the do to deal making and more of the same (which is what Trump offers).
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:56 PM (OrI3J)
Just don't cross over the line into poll-fixing territory. This seems like a bit much to me.
The scotching of that process, however does not impact whether Virginians (or any citizens of the US) will respond better to actual conservatism than the do to deal making and more of the same (which is what Trump offers).
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:56 PM (OrI3J)
Just don't cross over the line into poll-fixing territory. This seems like a bit much to me.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 04:59 PM (xuouz)
600
Not disingenuous, just wasn't aware of it. I beg your pardon.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:38 PM (J0GbY)
No offense, but really? Cruz has hyped Beck relentlessly on Twitter and he's the headliner at Cruz rallies. Didn't Glenn Beck give the closing speech at CPAC this year? How do you follow Ted Cruz, anyways?
I mean, I can't account for all of Donald Trump's endorsements, and admittedly he thanks geography more than any particular people. But if I was pressed I would say that Senator Jeff Sessions was at a massive Trump rally in Alabama: it's probably why he won the state so convincingly. I know about Scott Brown after a few seconds on Wikipedia.
And I'll give you this, Cruz has some GREAT endorsements. I like Adam Baldwin and James Woods quite a bit. R. Lee Ermey? Dakota Meyer? Adam Carolla? Man, how is Ted Cruz not annihilating Trump with a stable like that?
Why does he think Glenn Beck is the guy he wants to attract attention to?
Not disingenuous, just wasn't aware of it. I beg your pardon.
Posted by: db at March 09, 2016 04:38 PM (J0GbY)
No offense, but really? Cruz has hyped Beck relentlessly on Twitter and he's the headliner at Cruz rallies. Didn't Glenn Beck give the closing speech at CPAC this year? How do you follow Ted Cruz, anyways?
I mean, I can't account for all of Donald Trump's endorsements, and admittedly he thanks geography more than any particular people. But if I was pressed I would say that Senator Jeff Sessions was at a massive Trump rally in Alabama: it's probably why he won the state so convincingly. I know about Scott Brown after a few seconds on Wikipedia.
And I'll give you this, Cruz has some GREAT endorsements. I like Adam Baldwin and James Woods quite a bit. R. Lee Ermey? Dakota Meyer? Adam Carolla? Man, how is Ted Cruz not annihilating Trump with a stable like that?
Why does he think Glenn Beck is the guy he wants to attract attention to?
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 05:00 PM (MEHba)
601
Who can forget that timeless moment when Reagan talked for several minutes about how ugly Geraldine Ferraro's face was?
I think it was just before he announced he would be neutral on Israel.
I think it was just before he announced he would be neutral on Israel.
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 05:01 PM (74ZYB)
602
than the do to deal making and more of the same (which is what Trump offers).
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:56 PM (OrI3J)
No. Stop that. If you're going to peddle a cliche, at least pick one that sounds plausible. Say Donald Trump will usher in a hundred years of suffering, or guillotine 1/3 of K Street as a warning to the rest. But even Republican primary elections are no longer the same, and it's INSANE to claim that the rise of Donald Trump represents Everything Under Control.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 04:56 PM (OrI3J)
No. Stop that. If you're going to peddle a cliche, at least pick one that sounds plausible. Say Donald Trump will usher in a hundred years of suffering, or guillotine 1/3 of K Street as a warning to the rest. But even Republican primary elections are no longer the same, and it's INSANE to claim that the rise of Donald Trump represents Everything Under Control.
Posted by: trev006 at March 09, 2016 05:04 PM (MEHba)
603
Exactly what I feared you'd say. There's no reason for me to continue talking to you.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:31 PM (xuouz)
Maybe you'd like to sign up for my seminars instead? For $25,000, my instructors can explain how other people view the KKK and keen foreign policy insights like "take their oil."
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 09, 2016 03:31 PM (xuouz)
Maybe you'd like to sign up for my seminars instead? For $25,000, my instructors can explain how other people view the KKK and keen foreign policy insights like "take their oil."
Posted by: TallDave at March 09, 2016 05:06 PM (74ZYB)
604
Obama won VA by 3%
SoulPatch if you can see Trump winning you could triple or quadruple any money you might want to risk
SoulPatch if you can see Trump winning you could triple or quadruple any money you might want to risk
Posted by: bubba at March 09, 2016 05:07 PM (GGC8H)
605
"Trump would not be dominating GOP contests"
I keep reading stuff like this, and then keep looking at the delegate counts.
Trump has
If he does not improve significantly, he will not be the nominee. The first ballot is his only shot. If you think Trump will be named on a subsequent ballot, you're living in a fantasy world even for a Trumptard.
I keep reading stuff like this, and then keep looking at the delegate counts.
Trump has
If he does not improve significantly, he will not be the nominee. The first ballot is his only shot. If you think Trump will be named on a subsequent ballot, you're living in a fantasy world even for a Trumptard.
Posted by: That's Horus not Whore Us at March 09, 2016 05:29 PM (eT0Ip)
606
What the hell? It ate my number because I used a less-than sign. That should read "Trump has less than 45% of the delegates so far. 45% isn't a majority."
Posted by: That's Horus not Whore Us at March 09, 2016 05:30 PM (eT0Ip)
607
Soulpatchtony @593 Right on!
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 09, 2016 05:41 PM (r1fLd)
608
"Trump has less than 45% of the delegates so far. 45% isn't a majority."
He got 45% in a wider field. Many of future contests will be winner take all or winner take most
He got 45% in a wider field. Many of future contests will be winner take all or winner take most
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 09, 2016 05:43 PM (r1fLd)
609
Let me tell you about Charlie Gasparino.
I like him, and I appreciate his reporting, but you have to realize who is talking when he reports. His reporting - his career - is COMPLETELY dependent upon his being a mouthpiece for the Big Money interests on Wall Street.
So usually - on political matters - you will hear the wishful thinking and general denial of reality of the owners of the political class.
So what we're hearing is that the guys bankrolling Rubio's campaign are over a week behind people who aren't drinking the Establishment Kool-Aid, for whom it should should have been blindingly obvious that Rubio was 100% done after Super Tuesday.
Where do those guys go next? Obviously they start to try to buy Cruz (who has already taken money from Washington lobbyists, BTW) and Trump. Regardless, if THEY say Rubio is done, then Rubio is DONE.
I like him, and I appreciate his reporting, but you have to realize who is talking when he reports. His reporting - his career - is COMPLETELY dependent upon his being a mouthpiece for the Big Money interests on Wall Street.
So usually - on political matters - you will hear the wishful thinking and general denial of reality of the owners of the political class.
So what we're hearing is that the guys bankrolling Rubio's campaign are over a week behind people who aren't drinking the Establishment Kool-Aid, for whom it should should have been blindingly obvious that Rubio was 100% done after Super Tuesday.
Where do those guys go next? Obviously they start to try to buy Cruz (who has already taken money from Washington lobbyists, BTW) and Trump. Regardless, if THEY say Rubio is done, then Rubio is DONE.
Posted by: Optimizer at March 09, 2016 06:01 PM (/q6+P)
610
He got 45% in a wider field. Many of future contests will be winner take all or winner take most
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 09, 2016 05:43 PM (r1fLd)
And most of those are closed processes which Cruz has mostly won handily.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 09, 2016 05:43 PM (r1fLd)
And most of those are closed processes which Cruz has mostly won handily.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 09, 2016 06:09 PM (NPofj)
611
I feel a bit sad and sorry for Rubio. I don't think he is inherently a bad guy, just chose the wrong side of a huge issue. I don't wish him badly, just gone.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 02:25 PM (qCMvj)
I feel the same way. Were it not for that one very bad decision, I could support Rubio.
I may be in the minority here, but I would still take him as Cruz's VP or, even better, a high cabinet position. Maybe not SecDef or SecState, but certainly Secretary of Commerce or others.
Okay, Rubio can have whatever he wants as long as he drops out and campaigns for Cruz.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 09, 2016 02:25 PM (qCMvj)
I feel the same way. Were it not for that one very bad decision, I could support Rubio.
I may be in the minority here, but I would still take him as Cruz's VP or, even better, a high cabinet position. Maybe not SecDef or SecState, but certainly Secretary of Commerce or others.
Okay, Rubio can have whatever he wants as long as he drops out and campaigns for Cruz.
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at March 09, 2016 07:07 PM (dPpmC)
612
If Rubio drops out, his delegates's votes will be governed by the rules of the Republican Party in the states the delegates come from. The one thing that's certain is that they will be unable to vote for him, whether he releases them or not. This is because under the rules of the national Republican Party, no candidate may have his name placed in nomination unless he has the majority of the delegates in at least 8 states one hour before the balloting begins. Rubio ain't got openers.
BTW this is also the reason that the nomination will not be "brokered" as opposed to "horse-traded." Any candidate who does not qualify for the first round of balloting does not qualify for any round. No "brokered" candidate can emerge if he wasn't on the first ballot. Horse-trading, however, will definitely occur among the candidates who do qualify on the first ballot. Right now, unless Trump collapses, it looks to me like the only two candidates will be Trump and Cruz.
All this is subject, of course, to an attempt to broker BEFORE the voting starts, but that's a problem because of state laws or state party rules that require delegates to stick to the candidate they were elected to vote for unless the candidate releases them. No dropout candidate would be smart to release his delegates, at a minimum because Trump & Cruz will be making deals for the VP slot before the voting starts. The dropouts will need their delegates in order to deal.
In Florida, if a candidate "withdraws his candidacy" his delegates are released. This is probably true in the states where Rubio has won delegates, so I can't see him dropping out of the race - though he might "suspend" his candidacy.
BTW this is also the reason that the nomination will not be "brokered" as opposed to "horse-traded." Any candidate who does not qualify for the first round of balloting does not qualify for any round. No "brokered" candidate can emerge if he wasn't on the first ballot. Horse-trading, however, will definitely occur among the candidates who do qualify on the first ballot. Right now, unless Trump collapses, it looks to me like the only two candidates will be Trump and Cruz.
All this is subject, of course, to an attempt to broker BEFORE the voting starts, but that's a problem because of state laws or state party rules that require delegates to stick to the candidate they were elected to vote for unless the candidate releases them. No dropout candidate would be smart to release his delegates, at a minimum because Trump & Cruz will be making deals for the VP slot before the voting starts. The dropouts will need their delegates in order to deal.
In Florida, if a candidate "withdraws his candidacy" his delegates are released. This is probably true in the states where Rubio has won delegates, so I can't see him dropping out of the race - though he might "suspend" his candidacy.
Posted by: Righty Feep at March 10, 2016 10:04 AM (TnDb3)
613
Rubio needs to go nuclear at tonight's debate. Kamikaze on Trump, and then bail the race tomorrow. Florida is Trump's either way, but getting out and supporting Cruz could help Ted in other states on the 15th.
Kasich needs to stay in and win Ohio. The lay of the land on the 16th will determine what's best for him to do after that.
Sadly, his ego will determine what he actually does.
Kasich needs to stay in and win Ohio. The lay of the land on the 16th will determine what's best for him to do after that.
Sadly, his ego will determine what he actually does.
Posted by: cpurick at March 10, 2016 01:15 PM (nawZ+)
614
'even adding all of Rubio's and Cruz's votes together would just barely edge Trump, and there's no way all the votes would get together like that).'
But Cruz is beating his poll values by an average of 6% per state....
But Cruz is beating his poll values by an average of 6% per state....
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When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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