Shock: The Establishment is Trying to Take Out Cruz, and Talk Up Trump, In Order to Boost the Chances of... Marco Rubio

The thinking goes as follows: If Cruz loses Iowa, he peters out in New Hampshire and doesn't pose a risk of finishing in a respectable second place. That allows the establishment winner out of the Granite State to build momentum aas the anti-Trump alternative. A decent number of Cruz's supporters, when asked to choose a second candidate, gravitate towards Rubio. Polls show many more of Trump's supporters, by contrast, would support Cruz. And even with Trump's improving favorability numbers within the GOP, there are more Republican voters who wouldn't vote for him under any circumstances than say the same about the senator from Texas.
These strategists are looking at Trump's increasingly bellicose attacks against Cruz with glee. In their view, only Trump can sucessfully put a dent in Cruz's sky-high favorability among Republicans, which is a precondition to blocking him from the nomination.

Of course, that risks simply handing Trump the nomination.

Meanwhile, David Limbaugh notes that Cruz has been right all along -- which is why the Establishment so despises him.

You don't get angry at a guy who was wrong when you were right. That guy, you just laugh at.

The hatred comes with a guy who was right when you were wrong. That's when the mind begins searching for every possible character flaw in the object of the hatred, as a psychological defense to one's own ego.

Grassroots conservatives have wanted someone to stand up to Obama and stand up for our nation — and they are sick and tired of Beltway politicians and pundits alike patronizingly assuring them that nothing extraordinary is occurring and to calm down. "We'll take care of it after we're re-elected." Sure.
Yes, some of these establishment, moderate or, if you prefer, unexcitable types have finally come around, belatedly acknowledging Obama's intentions but failing to admit they were slow on the uptake, much less that they're sorry for branding the rest of us who caught on years before they did as mean-spirited, extremist or kooky.
...
I appeal to the rest of you to review recent history in this light and to reconsider the wisdom of Ted Cruz's approach, even though it was rejected by the majority of other Republican politicians, whose very party is on the ropes because of their conceit, arrogance and tone-deafness.
Cruz was right, and grassroots conservatives were right. We should have stood up to Obama then and didn't, so Trump was born and is flourishing. With Ted Cruz we know what we're getting and we know it's the reverse of Obama's infernal effort to fundamentally transform America. Say what you want about Ted Cruz, but about this there is little doubt.
The establishment is now taking a second look at Obama, albeit without much humility. I'm not naive enough to think they'll take a second look at Ted Cruz, but how about you?

I would suggest that anyone who is up for grabs between Trump and Cruz in Iowa casts their vote for Cruz, for a few strategic reasons:

It keeps Cruz in the race. If Trump just wins in NH and Iowa, Cruz is not much of an alternative, and that means that someone like Rubio will probably rise to be Trump's main competitor.

Keeping Cruz in the race keeps Rubio, or some other Establishment stalking horse, out of it.

You don't want Trump's main competitor being Rubio, unless you kind of want Rubio to have a pretty good shot of actually winning.

(I assume Trump is already going to win NH, without any need of strategic voting.)

In addition, you're going to want to keep Trump dishonest. Right, I said dishonest, because I have no illusions he's really a conservative. I'm okay with that, as long as we can force him to stay dishonest, and stay in his current pretend mode as a conservative.

Trump is going to run to the middle, in all likelihood, as soon as he can. You're going to want him to continue to having to play to the right, to make as many specific promises as we can wring out of him, before he runs to the middle.

Cruz is your best hope for that -- so even if you support Trump, assuming you'd like the conservative version of Trump he's currently selling you on, you're going to want Cruz forcing him to stay to the right.

So strategically, if you're okay with either guy, even if you favor Trump, it makes sense to vote for Cruz in Iowa, and make this a two-man race with neither man one that the Establishment can live with.

Think of how wonderful that will be:

Republican leaders are growing alarmed by the ferocious ways the party’s mainstream candidates for president are attacking one another, and they fear that time is running out for any of them to emerge as a credible alternative to Donald J. Trump or Senator Ted Cruz of Texas.
Leaders of the Republican establishment, made up of elected officials, lobbyists and donors, are also sending a message to the mainstream candidates, such as former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, that they should withdraw from the race if they do not show strength soon.
The members of the party establishment are growing impatient as they watch Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz dominate the field heading into the Iowa caucuses next Monday and the New Hampshire primary about a week later.
The party elders had hoped that one of their preferred candidates, such as Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, would be rising above the others by now and becoming a contender to rally around.

When the frontrunner, be it Cruz or Trump, is someone the Establishment hates, and the only opposition is someone the Establishment also hates -- finally, we can bring them to terms, and tell them how it's going to be going forward.

They will not listen until they have, literally, no other choice available to them.

Posted by: Ace at 03:00 PM

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Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! Temper Your Tantrum with Flammable Die-Grease! at January 26, 2016 03:01 PM (hLRSq)

2 Abe Vigoda!!!

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at January 26, 2016 03:01 PM (yrohn)

3 There's a diamond mine at the top of this post.

I'm rich!!!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 26, 2016 03:02 PM (zc3Db)

4 Diamonds are forever.

Posted by: HH at January 26, 2016 03:02 PM (DrCtv)

5 Sounds about right to me.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:02 PM (kzdjp)

6 Vote Cruz.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 26, 2016 03:03 PM (t5zYU)

7 I have said that Trump and Cruz are fighting for lead of the insurgent faction and Jeb and Rubio are fighting for the lead of the establishment faction.

So the powers that be trying to influence the fight in the insurgent faction to benefit the establishment faction seems kind of correct. Of course, you have to also assume that they know what they are doing and that their plan will work correctly and not crash-and-burn before it gets out of the hangar.

Based on past performance I'd alert the fire department. Hangars can be expensive.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! Temper Your Tantrum with Flammable Die-Grease! at January 26, 2016 03:03 PM (hLRSq)

8 Tom couldn't get me off the hook... this one last time.

Posted by: zombie Abe Vigoda at January 26, 2016 03:04 PM (H9MG5)

9 Abe Vigoda is dead!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 26, 2016 03:04 PM (TD2/B)

10 Neither Bush nor Rubio can even win Florida. I can't imagine how they think that the voters will coalesce around either of those two. Kasich has a better chance.

Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 03:04 PM (evdj2)

11 How can voters who prefer Cruz have Rubio as their second choice?? Cognitive diss?
Also Abe Vigoda is not still alive.

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at January 26, 2016 03:04 PM (yrohn)

12 Anyone else getting all the black question marks in the first quote? I think it's just my phone.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 03:05 PM (2x3L+)

13 Take Out Cruz, and Talk Up Trump, In Order to Boost the Chances of... Marco Rubio
If this works I might Vote for Bern. Because they'll arrest me if I just start screaming and throwing Molotovs.

Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2016 03:05 PM (DL2i+)

14 Guess I'm late

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 26, 2016 03:05 PM (TD2/B)

15 Diamonds are forever.
Posted by: HH

Jill St John.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 03:05 PM (FkBIv)

16 Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 03:05 PM (2x3L+)

Through it all for me

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 26, 2016 03:06 PM (TD2/B)

17 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 26, 2016 03:06 PM (kff5f)

18 The GOPe is planning/hoping that when the field narrows the anti-trump vote coalesces around Rubio. Jeb is still hoping/praying that he can knock off Rubio and be the Anti-Trump candidate.

Trump is closing the sale and turning his attention towards Hillary.

Posted by: Flaccid Member at January 26, 2016 03:06 PM (5fSr7)

19 You morons won't have ME to kick around any more!

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at January 26, 2016 03:06 PM (DLu2s)

20 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 26, 2016 03:06 PM (kff5f)

21 ABE VIGODA DEAD! RIP

Posted by: sophistahick at January 26, 2016 03:06 PM (QuJm+)

22 Well said Ace. I agree completely.

Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 03:06 PM (gmeXX)

23 Obligatory self-promotional spam post:

My book is published!

The link to my CreateSpace e-store is in my sig, and it should be available via Amazon later today (they say 3 - 5 days, but everyone is telling me it usually only takes a few hours).

The Kindle version is slated for 2/11, and is eligible for purchase for 99 cents if you purchase the regular version through Amazon. That means you can have your own copy and then you can have an e-book that you can share (because it's eligible for lending via Kindle) with friends and family.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 26, 2016 03:07 PM (kff5f)

24 disgusting

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:07 PM (zOTsN)

25 Abe Vigoda is dead!

For some values of dead, mostly the not moving and starting to stink ones.

Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 03:07 PM (evdj2)

26 13: "If this works I might Vote for Bern. Because they'll arrest me if I just start screaming and throwing Molotovs."

I like to think of it as going Galt by jumping on the gravy train.

Where's mah free shit?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:07 PM (4nmNX)

27 ABE VIGODA DEAD! RIP

Now, what's this about a cough Hillary has?

/Grim Reaper

Posted by: Bruce at January 26, 2016 03:07 PM (8ikIW)

28 I wish Dr Carson would drop out and endorse Cruz. Ted has picked up a lot of his support already? But it's be nice to have the rest.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 26, 2016 03:08 PM (t5zYU)

29 Strategic voting is yet another reason to love the HQ. Come for the dick jokes, stay for the reasons to keep Cruz in the race.

Oh, and imported from the Amy Schumer thread, regarding Abe Vigoda's passing (RIP):

I think I just heard a really loud trumpet and a chorus of angels...
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (RD7QR)

(Yes, I'm plagiarizing myself.)

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at January 26, 2016 03:08 PM (RD7QR)

30 Anyone else getting all the black question marks in the first quote? I think it's just my phone.

Not just you. More black diamonds than letters.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 03:08 PM (Yzubb)

31 Meanwhile, David Limbaugh notes that Cruz has been right all along -- which is why the Establishment so despises him.

This continues to blow my mind.

The closest we've come to a real conservative, and the GOP is trying to tear him to shreds.

I hate the GOP. Despise them with all I have.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 26, 2016 03:08 PM (qCMvj)

32 GOP hates conservatives. Screw them. I'm voting for Cruz.

Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 03:08 PM (sj3Ax)

33 I support Cruz. I will vote Cruz in the primary, and will send him money.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 03:09 PM (xWW96)

34 I think I just heard a really loud trumpet and a chorus of angels...

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (RD7QR)

(Yes, I'm plagiarizing myself.)
Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at January 26, 2016 03:08 PM (RD7QR)

Damn I have some good jokes.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at January 26, 2016 03:10 PM (fWAjv)

35 Wow, a black diamond bonanza!

They will not listen until they have, literally, no other choice available to them.

Keeping in mind that you can never, ever trust them. They will only perform under duress.

Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2016 03:10 PM (3U4+k)

36 Abe Vigoda dead? Rubbish! He's just "restin'"...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at January 26, 2016 03:11 PM (5csB/)

37 Seems like a strategy. As much as I prefer Cruz, I've been in the #1 and #2 positions in business myself and think that Cruz needs a little 'seasoning' under an experienced CEO/SOB. Then onto the top spot.

If it's a tight contest when my primary comes around, it's Cruz. Trump second. Rubio never.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 26, 2016 03:11 PM (fbovC)

38 I'm not skiing here, that's for damn sure.

Posted by: irright at January 26, 2016 03:12 PM (zxnPQ)

39 I wish Dr Carson would drop out and endorse Cruz. Ted has picked up a lot of his support already? But it's be nice to have the rest.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 26, 2016 03:08 PM (t5zYU)

Gee I forgot he was in the race

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:12 PM (kzdjp)

40 Damn, Ace makes tons of sense here.

Posted by: Draki at January 26, 2016 03:12 PM (0eidE)

41 More black diamonds than letters.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 03:08 PM (Yzubb)

Brought to you by the Ace of Spades.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 26, 2016 03:12 PM (qCMvj)

42 Huckabee also needs to swing his weight behind Cruz. Santorum is a lost cause.

Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 03:13 PM (evdj2)

43 Actually, graphite is forever. Diamonds have a nonzero value for the change in Gibbs energy, if I recall all of this correctly.

Of course, in the case I got this wrong, then it was the fault of that damned squirrel who told me this!

Posted by: Sasquatch, the original trans-Wookie at January 26, 2016 03:13 PM (dboyw)

44 Trump is being quoted over at HotBlather as saying he is really close to Nancy Pelosi and Uncle Chuck. Of course he is, having so recently been a Democrat, but (more importantly) the future General Election Trump is obviously starting to emerge.

He is moving fast to occupy the Democrat center, because Hillary has been pushed to the left by Bernie. How can Hillary move back to the center if Trump is already there and has his elbows out?

As much as I dislike Trump nowadays, I gotta say: he is one helluva politician.

Posted by: MTF at January 26, 2016 03:13 PM (TxJGV)

45 Dr Ben Carson... He'd make a great VP! Cruz/Carson has a nice ring to it.

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at January 26, 2016 03:13 PM (5csB/)

46 42: "Huckabee also needs to swing his weight behind Cruz."

He isn't done milking the campaign coffers since those book deals and hosting slots dried up.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:14 PM (4nmNX)

47 The establishment is trying to get rid of Cruz, which is why I would suggest that anyone who is undecided between Trump and Cruz in Iowa casts their vote for Cruz.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at January 26, 2016 03:14 PM (PFy0L)

48 Is it true? Fish? Really?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 26, 2016 03:14 PM (IDwDv)

49 "The Establishment is Trying to Take Out Cruz, and Talk Up Trump, In Order to Boost the Chances of... Marco Rubio"

I guess National Review didn't get that memo.

Posted by: Crispian at January 26, 2016 03:14 PM (rY+Q1)

50 Carson would cut a bitch.

Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 03:14 PM (evdj2)

51 I would vote for Trump...

I would vote for Cruz...

I will NOT vote for Rubio...

There are currently THREE existential threats to our country IMO.

Debt.

Out of control Immigration without assimilation.

Our own Federal Government, including the Courts, making the Constitution meaningless, and destroying the rule of law.

Rubio does not have answers to any of these questions, and in fact has VOTED FOR legislation which makes all three worse.

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 03:14 PM (f7rv6)

52 blah blah blah "establishment" blah blah blah

that word has lost all real meaning, it now just means "people I don't like"

much like "fascist" now just means "bad person"

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:14 PM (lVU49)

53 Wait, Abe Vigoda is really dead this time?

Posted by: Lauren at January 26, 2016 03:14 PM (Z/8dZ)

54 I didn't think it was possible to hate the GOPe more than I did yesterday.

I stand corrected.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:14 PM (0LHZx)

55 How can voters who prefer Cruz have Rubio as their second choice?? Cognitive diss?
Posted by: grandmalcaesar at January 26, 2016 03:04 PM (yrohn)

Rubio has a superficial charm. He's good on the stump. He might do well in the general.

Trump v. Rubio... I don't know. It's a weird choice. Both have drawbacks.

Posted by: Lea at January 26, 2016 03:14 PM (lIU4e)

56 Is it true? Fish? Really?

'tis true. Reported by his daughter. In his sleep.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 03:15 PM (Yzubb)

57 How can voters who prefer Cruz have Rubio as their second choice?? Cognitive diss? [/I[

I can sort of see it, but you have to look at it through a bit of a distorted lens.

Cruz is intellectually and philosophically the best conservative candidate. But the conventional wisdom is that he can't win.

Rubio talks conservative, but he votes Establishment. He talks the talks, but doesn't walk the walk. But the conventional wisdom is that he has a better chance of winning than Cruz.

Through that lens, you can kind of see Rubio as maybe the second best conservative option. He may not be great, but he has a chance of winning and at least delivering some conservative stuff.

Posted by: V the K at January 26, 2016 03:15 PM (O7MnT)

58 www.abevigoda.com

Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 03:15 PM (evdj2)

59 All in for Cruz.... I'll vote for trump if he's the nom but Rubio? Never.

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 26, 2016 03:15 PM (IDwDv)

60

Ace just injected us with more anger.

Must do yoga today...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 26, 2016 03:15 PM (qCMvj)

61 How can voters who prefer Cruz have Rubio as their second choice?? Cognitive diss?

I can sort of see it, but you have to look at it through a bit of a distorted lens.

Cruz is intellectually and philosophically the best conservative candidate. But the conventional wisdom is that he can't win.

Rubio talks conservative, but he votes Establishment. He talks the talks, but doesn't walk the walk. But the conventional wisdom is that he has a better chance of winning than Cruz.

Through that lens, you can kind of see Rubio as maybe the second best conservative option. He may not be great, but he has a chance of winning and at least delivering some conservative stuff.

Posted by: V the K at January 26, 2016 03:15 PM (O7MnT)

62 Abe Vigoda just became a Democrat. I have a sad.

Posted by: Abiss at January 26, 2016 03:15 PM (UsgHM)

63 man what the hell is it with those diamonds?!

I tried correcting the things i know cause diamonds (smart pops and quotes), but then there's a mess of them just between letters.

Posted by: ace of diamonds at January 26, 2016 03:16 PM (dciA+)

64 That ChrispyCreme, Carson, Fiorionaaiano etc. are still in the race is a dilution the "Revolution" does not need right now. The main of their supporters (except Christie) will go to Trump or Cruz and set the stage for just making Jeb! and Rubio look like Quixotes and fools..as well as their puppetmasters. They should give up living on what campaign contributions they still get and go back to their jobs, if any.

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at January 26, 2016 03:16 PM (g1MTt)

65 That's good skiing up there at the top.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 03:16 PM (xuouz)

66 I read Costa at WaPo & Huckabee, Santorum & Carson hate Cruz.

Huck & Santorum are out saying he's a phony. Huck is an AHole & I remember what BS he pulled on Romney in 2008.

The Baptist Minister is a phony.

Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 03:16 PM (sj3Ax)

67 Gee I forgot he was in the race
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:12 PM (kzdjp)

____

Is he? I honestly thought he had dropped out.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:16 PM (0LHZx)

68 we have diamonds because you run a tremendous and classy blog

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:17 PM (zOTsN)

69 Or you could vote for the person you actually WANT to be the nominee?

I don't think Cruz would get past a General Election in a million years he's simply a terrible nominee, but if he somehow did with say Hillary being frogmarched off to prison, I would expect a George W. Bush-type response to immigration. So a whole lot of window dressing on the most important issue.

If Cruz's response to the last time we had a crisis of people trying to pour over the border was handing out Teddy bears to the kids for a photo op, I don't expect much of anything to really be done to turn the tide.

What will make or break this nation is what we do about immigration

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 03:17 PM (6U2tl)

70 The RNCe have become experts at getting their liberal asshole nominated through shenanigans including shit like this as well as a primary schedule that runs almost all the liberal States first and dilutes the delegates of the only conservative State.

One of the MANY reasons I will not participate in the farce this time. I don't like any of the shitty candidates.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 03:17 PM (t2KH5)

71 It's like losing The Hopper all over again.

Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 03:17 PM (evdj2)

72 E-Trade baby shock face.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean ( Ahad Ha'am) at January 26, 2016 03:17 PM (BZAd3)

73 Spot on, Ace.

It has become apparent Rubio is the favorite son of the GOPe.. Pataki endorsed him today.

I have just finished looking at all the rules the RNC will use to try and deny Trump the nomination and they have really stacked things against Trump.

FOr instance, there's a rule against states having winner-take-all primaries.. but several, like Florida are having one.
If the RNC doesn't like the result, they will force Florida to apportion delegates proportionally.

So, they have so many ways to screw someone at the convention it is mind boggling.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 26, 2016 03:18 PM (so+oy)

74 Abe Vigoda can't be dead! I was just watching the Godfather mashup on HBO last Friday and he looked healthy!

Posted by: MTF at January 26, 2016 03:18 PM (TxJGV)

75 Only advanced/expert skiers allowed on this blog

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:18 PM (0LHZx)

76 And BTW, Trump is leading in SC by double digits too.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 03:18 PM (t2KH5)

77 I'll never vote for Cruz as long as Abe Vigoda still breathes!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at January 26, 2016 03:18 PM (5csB/)

78

No worries.

Those are Trump Diamonds.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 26, 2016 03:19 PM (qCMvj)

79 Abe Vigoda!!!

-
End of an era, and of a meme.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 26, 2016 03:19 PM (Nwg0u)

80 Top 3 slots in the GOP race are minority, bottom three slots white people, so the dems call us all racists. Boy, they sure throw a lot of stupidity around like it is fertilizer.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 03:19 PM (xWW96)

81 we have diamonds because you run a tremendous and classy blog
Posted by: ThunderB

Then where are the g strings?
Nothing says "classy" like g strings.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 03:19 PM (Yzubb)

82 Trump Steaks!

Posted by: Yip at January 26, 2016 03:19 PM (e7T6D)

83
"Gee I never would have guessed!"
.................

Well, tear my arm off.

Posted by: Inspector Krough at January 26, 2016 03:19 PM (HgMAr)

84 As much as I dislike Trump nowadays, I gotta say: he is one helluva politician.

Posted by: MTF at January 26, 2016 03:13 PM (TxJGV)

Yep.... fights with National Review? Helps Trump with Moderates...

Fight with FOX NEWS??? Helps Trump with the Faux news folks...

Anecdotal.... but was having dinner with my 87 year old Mom a few nights ago.... She has in the past HATED Trump... called him all kinds of names... hated his delivery and mannerism... hated his combativeness...

Yet... on that evening... as Fox news had ALL anti Trump stuff on that evening (was the evening he said he could make deals with the Dems)... she told me 'I'm coming around on Trump'

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 03:19 PM (f7rv6)

85 80 Top 3 slots in the GOP race are minority,
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 03:19 PM (xWW96)

___

Trump is a minority?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:19 PM (0LHZx)

86 How can voters who prefer Cruz have Rubio as their second choice?? Cognitive diss?

------------

Of the people in the field, I would say that Rubio is right now my 2nd choice - certainly ahead of Trump. But that could change. Rubio may be part of the establishment, but I would say his worldview is probably more similar to mine than Trump. I don't doubt that Rubio is pro-life. I have doubts on Trump. And I could be wrong on both of them. Rubio is also of my generation. So there is a generational aspect to it. I don't think it is congnitive dissonance. I am solidly for Cruz. If he is not to be, then I may be solidly Rubio. Trump was looking better to me before he started sucking up to Big Corn.

Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 03:19 PM (gmeXX)

87 I was just resting my eyes. I'll outlive that prick Hal Linden!

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at January 26, 2016 03:20 PM (UBS9M)

88

Diamonds, Ace.

At the very least convert via Notepad.

At the very most, CBD gave me this:

http://www.unicodetools.com/unicode/convert-to-html.php

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 26, 2016 03:20 PM (qCMvj)

89 I wonder if the original Republicans were swayed by the voices of the Whigs crying that to vote third party was to hand victory to the Democrats?

If all the Republican party has left are the CoC, joining a third party should be a net gain in votes for my chosen team, ne?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:21 PM (4nmNX)

90 Trump is a minority?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:19 PM (0LHZx)

My mistake. I guess I don't think of him as an actual candidate.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 03:21 PM (xWW96)

91
Trump Steaks!
Posted by: Yip
........................

Melania's Orbs!

Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 03:21 PM (HgMAr)

92 Jeff Goldblum : RIP.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 26, 2016 03:21 PM (kqD9B)

93 Given that they hate Cruz as much as they fear Trump, I can see why they're attacking him.

Its the attitude of the LIV about Cruz that confuses me. They seem to think he's a cross between Dracula and Hitler. Seriously, they portray the guy as a horrific monster, something evil and hideous. I guess the "he's stupid" line just won't stick but what on earth? Where does this come from?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:21 PM (39g3+)

94 If Rubio is the guy, I'll vote for him, but I'll do it the same way I did with McCain.....grudgingly and with zero enthuthiasm.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:21 PM (0LHZx)

95 >>Gee I forgot he was in the race

He's tied or slightly ahead of Rubes and leads in favorability.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 26, 2016 03:21 PM (t5zYU)

96 Oh, #64 especially applies to perpetual campaigning for dollars with no chance of winning or influencing anyone, Hucksterbee and St. Santorum. Out damn spot!

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at January 26, 2016 03:21 PM (g1MTt)

97 Abe Vigoda can't be dead! I was just watching the Godfather mashup on HBO last Friday and he looked healthy!

Posted by: MTF at January 26, 2016 03:18 PM (TxJGV)

Yeah" He didin't look so happy getting into the back seat of that car? Yeah OK better than Carlo, but still

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:22 PM (kzdjp)

98 diamonds

Run it thru
http://www.unicodetools.com/unicode/convert-to-html.php
and delete anything that isn't plain old ascii.

or blame Abe Vigoda.

Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2016 03:22 PM (DL2i+)

99 They will not listen until they have, literally, no other choice available to them.

Unless they decide to just burn it down and go open D. Which would be clarifying, at least.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 03:22 PM (9krrF)

100 I'll give Rubio this: he sucks marginally less than Jeb. I'd never vote for him, but at least he's less awful than Jebster.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:22 PM (39g3+)

101 Believe me when I tell you you have never seen anything like this blog. Its covered in diamonds, DIAMONDS! The Mexicans paid for them

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:22 PM (zOTsN)

102 Its the attitude of the LIV about Cruz that confuses me. They seem to think he's a cross between Dracula and Hitler. Seriously, they portray the guy as a horrific monster, something evil and hideous. I guess the "he's stupid" line just won't stick but what on earth? Where does this come from?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:21 PM (39g3+)

__

He's the guy that shut down 17% of the govt, which means millions of old people died and stuff. I read it on HuffPo.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:22 PM (0LHZx)

103 sock off

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 26, 2016 03:22 PM (fWAjv)

104 The other thing that needs to happen is everyone who gets less than 5% of the vote in IO and NH needs to drop out before SC. The purge again after SC. By the time super Tuesday rolls around we should be down to the top three candidates.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 03:22 PM (t2KH5)

105 But I didn't know til this very day that it was...Rubio all along.

Posted by: Don Trump at January 26, 2016 03:23 PM (YFFpo)

106 88

Diamonds, Ace.

At the very least convert via Notepad.

At the very most, CBD gave me this:

http://www.unicodetools.com/unicode/convert-to-html.php
Posted by: artisanal 'ette

I second that encorsement!

Ace - - and all commenters here -- if you have any formatting problems with a post or comment simply drop the text in http://www.unicodetools.com/unicode/convert-to-html.php and in an instant it's problem-free and postable, with no diamonds or error message or nuthin'.

Posted by: zombie at January 26, 2016 03:23 PM (jBuUi)

107 If Rubio's the guy, I'm out. It would just be postponing the inevitable instead of fighting it tooth and nail. No thanks.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 03:23 PM (9krrF)

108 They will not listen until they have, literally, no other choice available to them.

Even then, they'd back the Democrat.

If Rubio is the guy, I'll vote for him, but I'll do it the same way I did with McCain

Not gonna happen. Wouldn't be prudent. Not at this juncture.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:23 PM (39g3+)

109

If the GOP really do an end run on Cruz, he may just run 3rd party.

Then, Rubio doesn't stand a chance. But, Trump could still win.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 26, 2016 03:23 PM (qCMvj)

110 Cruz should start knocking Trump on all his bankruptcies. How many has he had? Like four?

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 26, 2016 03:23 PM (kqD9B)

111 "They will not listen until they have, literally, no other choice available to them."

Don't give them too much credit, ace.

Posted by: Max Power at January 26, 2016 03:23 PM (q177U)

112 And Jebbie The Hutt needs to leave the country until after the general election.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 03:23 PM (t2KH5)

113 Establishment is pissed that Jeb's SuperPac wasted so much money going after Rubio.

Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 03:24 PM (sj3Ax)

114 Attempting to persuade people to vot for Cruz over Trump without insulting them? That's not how you're supposed to do it ace! At least not based on most others' examples.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 26, 2016 03:24 PM (z/Ubi)

115 Did somebody say diamonds? I like the jewelry, si.

Posted by: Columba Bush at January 26, 2016 03:24 PM (HgMAr)

116 So what are the odds of Trump refusing to do the last debate? How would that help/hurt the narrative? Would it not blow up Fox... engender Trump to middle of the road Faux-News haters? Maybe fuel anti-establishment fever baby!

Would he overly risk being seen as super-ego-driven and churlish?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Yip at January 26, 2016 03:24 PM (e7T6D)

117 The GOP isn't a political party -- it's merely a live-action re-enactment of the Kilkenny Cats fairytale.

Posted by: zombie at January 26, 2016 03:24 PM (jBuUi)

118 Telling people how to use HTML for codes here is cheating. Now I can't impress anyone with my fancy typin'

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:24 PM (39g3+)

119 I dont think it would necessarily help Marco Rubio. Governor Kasich is polling stronger in New Hampshire and Governor Bush is leading Senator Rubio in South Carolina according to the latest Augusta Chronicle poll. I dont see why Rubio is always treated as the leading mainstream Republican candidate.

Posted by: Begonia at January 26, 2016 03:24 PM (tAngI)

120 You guys get diamonds and I get question marks? The hell??!!

That's it. I'm finally doing it.
I'm upgrading to the platinum membership.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 03:24 PM (2x3L+)

121 Cruz should start knocking Trump on all his bankruptcies. How many has he had? Like four?
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 26, 2016 03:23 PM (kqD9B)

wives?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 26, 2016 03:25 PM (qCMvj)

122 The Establishment is Trying to Take Out Cruz, and Talk Up Trump, In Order to Boost the Chances of... Marco Rubio

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Ahhh, the old double reverse secret probation quarterback sneak Statue of Liberty trick. Executed by a bunch who think the way to win friends and influence people is to lie to them, insult them, and betray them.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 26, 2016 03:25 PM (Nwg0u)

123 109: "If the GOP really do an end run on Cruz, he may just run 3rd party."

I look forward to the day when I can vote for Cruz.

As the fifth President of the Republic of Texas.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:25 PM (4nmNX)

124 Brian Dennehy Dead. George Kennedy to portray him in biopic.

Posted by: LA Times Obits at January 26, 2016 03:25 PM (UBS9M)

125 Good for you, Allen G!!

Posted by: Max Power at January 26, 2016 03:25 PM (q177U)

126 Abe, Buzzion and Grammie gonna be gettin' shitfaced tonight!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at January 26, 2016 03:25 PM (fWAjv)

127 If the GOP really do an end run on Cruz, he may just run 3rd party.

Not this time around. But in 2020? Maybe.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:26 PM (39g3+)

128 110: "Cruz should start knocking Trump on all his bankruptcies. How many has he had? Like four?"

He would do better to focus on his abuse of eminent domain.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:26 PM (4nmNX)

129 Trump Steaks!
Posted by: Yip
........................

Melania's Orbs!

By Grabthar's Hammer! By Melania's Orbs!
You will be abenged Abe Vigoda!!!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 03:26 PM (Yzubb)

130 Wives, bankruptcies . . . What's the difference?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 26, 2016 03:26 PM (Nwg0u)

131 107 If Rubio's the guy, I'm out. It would just be postponing the inevitable instead of fighting it tooth and nail. No thanks.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 03:23 PM (9krrF)

It would give the deep state socialists cover as they pulled the light fixtures and stripped all the copper from the republic before bailing out. It would give them the media cover to blame racism, the right wing, the inexperienced young republican president, capitalism, and western culture for the decay of the nation, just like they've pinned the government shutdown on republicans, Cruz specifically.

It would be just as much of a victory for them as Obama was, but with complete deniability, instead of 75% deniability like they currently have.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 03:26 PM (xuouz)

132 Political momentum isn't a thing, but inertia is.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 26, 2016 03:26 PM (VdICR)

133 How can voters who prefer Cruz have Rubio as their second choice??

quite easy, really

Cruz - the most conservative candidate

Rubio - still quite conservative, not as conservative as Cruz though

Trump - not conservative at all

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:27 PM (lVU49)

134 This is stupid wishful thinking. Trump/Cruz/Carson are around 65% in recent national polls. GOPe candidates are less than 25%. Rubio AND Bush are getting killed in their home state of Florida.

If Carson drops out, his votes mostly go to Cruz. If Cruz drops out Trump will get at least a large plurality, maybe more, and break 50% overall. If Trump implodes for some reason, most of his votes would got to Cruz, making him #1.

Trump's biggest risk is that Cruz hangs around so that Trump never goes above 40 to 45% of delegates so that the GOPe screws him on process in Cleveland.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 26, 2016 03:27 PM (r1fLd)

135 Ahhh, the old double reverse secret probation quarterback sneak Statue of Liberty trick

They hid the ball, too.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:27 PM (39g3+)

136 If Rubio is the guy, I'll vote for him, but I'll do it the same way I did with McCain

Nope.

If Rubio is the guy, I'll vote Hillary. The Republican Party is supposed to be the controlled burn. I want it burned to the ground (which is why I support Trump- the DOPe is quite efficiently ripping itself apart while we watch) so that actual Conservative ideas at least have a chance to be heard (and, no, Trump won't do that. Trump is simply the dynamite for blasting the tunnel).

I would much rather be in a place where I could support Cruz, but the establishment would too easily simply adapt to him (as it did to Reagan) by forcing on him a moderate VP who would then immediately begin undoing anything he succeeded in doing in the first place. Donald Trump has 2 billion dollars of "F*ck you" money.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 26, 2016 03:27 PM (kff5f)

137 Wives, bankruptcies . . . What's the difference?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 26, 2016 03:26 PM (Nwg0u)

hehe, true
One could cause the other, or vice versa.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 26, 2016 03:27 PM (qCMvj)

138 42
Huckabee also needs to swing his weight behind Cruz. Santorum is a lost cause.

Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 03:13 PM (evdj2)
Huck is a populist. He's more ideologically aligned with Trump.
And Santorum was gloating on Twitter about Cruz dropping in Iowa polls while DJT was rising. I sent him a tweet asking if his "principles" were just BS because he was celebrating something that helped the candidate in favor of partial birth abortions.I've always like Santorum more than most but that really struck me the wrong way.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 26, 2016 03:27 PM (N8hFs)

139 But tell me, El Elle, are the question marks you're seeing contained within black diamonds?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 03:28 PM (xuouz)

140 I would be honored to replace Abe as your old guy.

Posted by: Kirk Douglas at January 26, 2016 03:28 PM (HgMAr)

141 133: "Rubio - still quite conservative..."

I curious as to what chems you have been sniffing.

But I'm sure you drive a nice truck.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:28 PM (4nmNX)

142 "When the frontrunner, be it Cruz or Trump, is someone the Establishment hates, and the only opposition is someone the Establishment also hates -- finally, we can bring them to terms, and tell them how it's going to be going forward.

They will not listen until they have, literally, no other choice available to them."

Nah, they'll stay home with their checkbooks closed, Frum and Brooks and C Buckley will go on the MSM talk shows to talk about what a mistake the party has made by running one of these outsiders, and when the guy they didn't want losses, they'll say TOLD YOU SO. The people who pushed Romney on us believe that it's their party and they'll let the party lose one election after another so long as it remains Their Party.

It's their party and we'll cry if they want to...

Posted by: Satan of Cloggenstein Vt at January 26, 2016 03:28 PM (qSIlh)

143 Allen... Is your book available anywhere but Amazon. I won't buy from THEM anymore but I would buy your book elsewhere.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:29 PM (OrI3J)

144 Trump's biggest risk is that Cruz hangs around so that Trump never goes above 40 to 45% of delegates so that the GOPe screws him on process in Cleveland.

There is no truth to the rumor that this is kind of what I'm hoping for.

Also, I still don't have a blog.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 26, 2016 03:29 PM (kff5f)

145 Diamonds, Ace.

At the very least convert via Notepad.

This is the Ace of Diamonds blog.

Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2016 03:29 PM (3U4+k)

146 I guess National Review didn't get that memo.

I don't know. The list of things that National Review could do to affect the primaries is extremely small, but "publishing a completely anti-Trump issue" is right at the top of "how do we give Trump a boost".

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 26, 2016 03:29 PM (2lndx)

147 Awww, the diamonds now gone.

Posted by: HH at January 26, 2016 03:29 PM (DrCtv)

148 He would do better to focus on his abuse of eminent domain.

And use of illegals in construction. bankruptcies make him seem "more like us" and look, he's rich now, so clearly he dug out of them and won! We like winners!

But the jerk that took grandma's house to build a casino that failed? Not so much a winner.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:29 PM (39g3+)

149 There once were ten candidates G-O-P
Each thought there were far far too many
So they fought and they fit
And they scratched and they bit
Till they all failed and we got Hill-ar-y!

Posted by: zombie at January 26, 2016 03:30 PM (jBuUi)

150 I like the Black Diamonds. Shit like that keeps this place cozy.

You have to admit, they are a hell of a lot better than having to remember to add double spaces anytime you delete something.

Posted by: garrett at January 26, 2016 03:30 PM (b99VK)

151 Also, I still don't have a blog.

Posted by: AllenG

Rumor is, though, that you have a new book out

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:30 PM (39g3+)

152 Nah, they'll stay home with their checkbooks closed,
Frum and Brooks and C Buckley will go on the MSM talk shows to talk
about what a mistake the party has made by running one of these
outsiders, and when the guy they didn't want losses, they'll say TOLD
YOU SO. The people who pushed Romney on us believe that it's their party
and they'll let the party lose one election after another so long as it
remains Their Party.

It's their party and we'll cry if they want to...

Posted by: Satan of Cloggenstein Vt at January 26, 2016 03:28 PM (qSIlh)

So it behooves us to make sure the candidate they hate actually wins. Money is not nearly as important as bodies out pounding the pavement.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:30 PM (OrI3J)

153 my diamonds are gone!!!! whhaaaaa

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:30 PM (zOTsN)

154 Trump is a minority?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:19 PM (0LHZx)

Non Hispanic Whites are 62% of the population...

As a Male Non Hispanic White, its right about 30% of the Population (as there are more US Women than Men)...

thus.... yes.... Minority....

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 03:31 PM (f7rv6)

155 Haley Barbour hopes to put Ryan in if everyone is too damaged to be GOP nominee.
Is he mentally deranged?

Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 03:31 PM (sj3Ax)

156 Allen... Is your book available anywhere but Amazon. I won't buy from THEM anymore but I would buy your book elsewhere.

No. The direct link (in my sig) is CreateSpace which is owned by Amazon- but they get near 0 from me (my personal site is my best royalty rate, so they get less).

I guess if you wanted (and were willing) you could send me your shipping details, pay-pal me for the book, and I could order a (wholesale cost) author's copy...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 26, 2016 03:31 PM (kff5f)

157 133 Rubio - still quite conservative, not as conservative as Cruz though

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:27 PM (lVU49)

Rubio is a closet liberal. He pushed amnesty and that abortion of a program common core. He hasn't got a conservative bone in his body.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 03:31 PM (t2KH5)

158 The Star Bellied RiNOs had bellies with Stars...

Posted by: garrett at January 26, 2016 03:31 PM (b99VK)

159 Trump and Cruz are working on delivering their Bwahahaha in perfect harmony.

Posted by: eman at January 26, 2016 03:31 PM (mR7Es)

160 I'll vote for Trump or Cruz. The rest of the candidates just remind me of all this country has lost.

And also, it looks as though the GOP will have to be dismantled and rebuilt before we even think about taking down the dems. Sad but true. I don't think this country has that much time left.

Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 03:31 PM (Fmupd)

161 I would be honored to replace Abe as your old guy.

Probably still able to kick my ass even at 99.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:31 PM (39g3+)

162 Christie is calling for the State of NJ to take over Atlantic City....Yeah NO...as a NJ Tax Payer, NO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:32 PM (kzdjp)

163 Rubio - still quite conservative, not as conservative as Cruz though

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:27 PM (lVU49)

Rubio is not a conservative in any way that counts.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:32 PM (OrI3J)

164 Either way the Establishment is fooked. With a Trump win (Rubio will never surge) and a Trump presidency, Cruz gets a guy in the White House that's more aligned with him then the Spineless Turtle.

The Establishment in Congress may even get a VP who presides over them that hates their guts.

Win.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 26, 2016 03:32 PM (GGCsk)

165 They will not listen until they have, literally, no other choice available to them.

They won't listen then. That's why you have George Will already pushing the GOP will have no choice but to go third party line.

You know what? I'm fine with that. The two party system is not a Constitutional requirement and, frankly, I think such a system leads to the dysfunction we see in our current political system. So fine. Go ahead and go third party. That's fine by me.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 26, 2016 03:33 PM (mf5HN)

166 re 152: I dunno. If Trump gets the nomination, I'l bet he'd do a lot of dealing to get the Repub establishment back in line. You want Hillery in the White House? You think the IRS won't turn on you guys next..?

Posted by: Satan of Cloggenstein Vt at January 26, 2016 03:33 PM (qSIlh)

167 I don't think this country has that much time left.
Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 03:31 PM (Fmupd)

Do we make it till the Super Bowl? Just asking since I have to decide how much to bet

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:33 PM (kzdjp)

168 Reported by his daughter. In his sleep.

Wow. Abe Vigoda had a gender conflicted daughter who talks in his/her sleep?

Things are getting stranger every day.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 26, 2016 03:33 PM (fbovC)

169 Will vote (R) and hope it is someone I can get excited about.

Those who threaten to vote Sanders, and the youth getting on board with him vs Le Haggard Harridan, admit to not knowing what socialism is. This from the generation of college grads, of whom 10% think Judge Judy is on the Supreme Court. In other words, as clueless as Obarky voters with a twist of commie reparations sharing. He says higher taxes. They don't care and light up another doobie.

No way, no how, am I staying home. Now, !jeb! or Katshit would give me pause...but they are the burned crumbs in the bottom of the toaster. Pop out now and then to irritate me along with Rand and others.

My energy is focused like a weak laser on doing crap I need to do around here. I need one of those coffee enemas first thing in the morning, like Gweneth. #noenergy #politic #harf

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 26, 2016 03:34 PM (7lqMl)

170 Platinum membership activated. All the question marks except 3 are gone. Or else Ace took the advice of the master chef, artisanal.

And Ghost, the ?s were enclosed in a shield or crest shape. Not diamonds.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 03:34 PM (2x3L+)

171 >>Rubio - still quite conservative, not as conservative as Cruz though<<

Rubio bailed on the major issues that count. Most voters only remember that or he would otherwise be hands down leading the pack.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 26, 2016 03:34 PM (GGCsk)

172 >> Christie is calling for the State of NJ to take over Atlantic City.

Unionize the Crack Hos.

Posted by: Chris Christie at January 26, 2016 03:34 PM (b99VK)

173 So what are the odds of Trump refusing to do the last debate? How would that help/hurt the narrative? Would it not blow up Fox... engender Trump to middle of the road Faux-News haters? Maybe fuel anti-establishment fever baby!

Would he overly risk being seen as super-ego-driven and churlish?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Yip
..............
It would make him look like a pussy. And Christie would likely say "If he can't handle Megyn Kelly, how can he handle Hillary in debates?"

And he would be right.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 26, 2016 03:34 PM (so+oy)

174 144 Trump's biggest risk is that Cruz hangs around so that Trump never goes above 40 to 45% of delegates so that the GOPe screws him on process in Cleveland.

There is no truth to the rumor that this is kind of what I'm hoping for.

Also, I still don't have a blog.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 26, 2016 03:29 PM (kff5f)

And if Trump gets the most Primary wins, yet is maneuvered out of the Nomination due to rules and deal making...

Not only are all bets off for the election... as to who runs third party...

But I think it would be the last gasp of the GOP.... it would shatter...

But then.... how can a Political party who has LESS than even 1/4 of the Electorate as members... somehow hold power in both elected houses, and the President...

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 03:34 PM (f7rv6)

175 He hasn't got a conservative bone in his body.

He's largely conservative, just not in some really key, annoying areas. Immigration being the main one. All of them have weaknesses - Reagan was weak on social issues, Cruz is not great on some fiscal stuff, but Rubio's weaknesses are deal-killers.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:35 PM (39g3+)

176 Trump seems to lash out at anyone and anything that opposes him, or even breathes the wrong way. He's a loose cannon and I cannot bring myself to trust him on anything.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 26, 2016 03:35 PM (l/N7H)

177 Lets not count our chickens people. Way more primaries than just the first three. GOPe is counting on racking up the rest. Be a shame to win the battle and lose the war

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:35 PM (zOTsN)

178 If the GOP really do an end run on Cruz, he may just run 3rd party."

That's the thing; Trump can run 3rd party by himself. he can self-finance, and can attract more.

Cruz would have to somehow get on all 50 ballots in less than a year and generate 100% of his funding.

SO they avoid pissing off Trump, to knock out Cruz.

and then shovel shit and plant begonias.

Posted by: Dan D. Lyin at January 26, 2016 03:35 PM (326rv)

179 Shit, I look the same.

Posted by: Zombie Abe Vigoda at January 26, 2016 03:35 PM (UBS9M)

180 Rubio - still quite conservative...

To quote a certain M. Reynolds, "My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 03:35 PM (9krrF)

181 Either way the Establishment is fooked. With a Trump
win (Rubio will never surge) and a Trump presidency, Cruz gets a guy in
the White House that's more aligned with him then the Spineless Turtle.

The Establishment in Congress may even get a VP who presides over them that hates their guts.

Win.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 26, 2016 03:32 PM (GGCsk)

Haven't you heard from the Trumpster? Cruz is "really unlikable" and Trump will be "doing deals" with congressmen not named Cruz.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:35 PM (OrI3J)

182 The eminent domain issue can and should be Trump's Achilles's heel. A wise candidate would point out that it's hypocrtical for Trump to protest out-of-control immigration weakening the country's security and economy while simultaneously supporting a system that weakens an individual's right to live unmolested by the government in his or her own home.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 03:35 PM (4df7R)

183 Rubio is a closet liberal. He pushed amnesty and
that abortion of a program common core. He hasn't got a conservative
bone in his body.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 03:31 PM (t2KH5)
1. please show where Rubio pushed common core, that is a new one to me
2. oh please. Rubio probably agrees with conservative positions probably to the tune of 85-90%. yes he is soft on amnesty and that is a major strike against him. But that alone doesn't make him a "closet liberal", sheesh

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:35 PM (lVU49)

184 Wow, I step away for ten minutes and we're up to 161 on a Genuine Ace Thread(TM).

Rubio? He may really be the next incarnation of Reagan. I like him. His public record is better than Trump's on many issues. I'm still a Cruz guy, but I would vote for Rubio as the nominee.

But...the GOPe mothballs stink heavily in his closet.

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2016 03:36 PM (o+SC1)

185 They should put NRO, The WS and all the Establishment members on one of those new Carnival Cruise Ships and call it the Titanic II. They can call it The Voyage to Irrelevancy. Free autographs and lots of free beer.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 26, 2016 03:36 PM (GGCsk)

186 Abe Vigoda is dead for real this time. He was 94.

Posted by: ALH at January 26, 2016 03:36 PM (JrKKc)

187 If Rubio is the guy, I'll vote for him, but I'll do it the same way I did with McCain

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I will never forgive Rubio for playing missy face with Schmucky Tumor on the gang of eight amnesty fiasco. You know, with Judas, these things happen, people make mistakes but Rubio? Never!

Oh, and fat Jersey guy, don't think I've forgotten about you and Obozo's sex on the beach.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 26, 2016 03:36 PM (Nwg0u)

188
I would be honored to replace Abe as your old guy.-----Kirk Douglas

Insane, hateful, and diseased is no way to go thru life, Kirk.

Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 03:37 PM (uhftQ)

189 I say we go with Trump. I mean, I really like the wayTrump games eminent domain and hurls innocent, law-abiding homeowners out on the street--you know, so he could build a limousine parking garage.

I especially like the one whereTrump blocked his brother fromreceiving inheritance money that would've gone into medical expenses for a sick toddler, Trump's own nephew. I mean, that's some homespun hilarity going onright there.

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up. I'm tellin' ya, these campaign ads fucking write themselves.

Posted by: troyriser at January 26, 2016 03:37 PM (UWlp+)

190 Look, Rubio is not my top choice, but I don't get these complaints that Rubio is somehow a "closet liberal".

On pretty much all the big issues, Rubio is pretty solidly conservative. YES he is soft on immigration and that is a huge strike against him. But taken in totality his record I think it is quite good. It is not enough for me to change my support from Cruz, but I can see how those who are interested in conservatism would select Rubio as a second choice.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:37 PM (lVU49)

191 Gee, I hope the country makes it until the Super Bowl, too. The game should be exciting, but the incessant whine of ambulances taking domestic abuse victims to the hospital *is* annoying.

/s

Posted by: ugg boots at January 26, 2016 03:37 PM (fbovC)

192 It would make him look like a pussy. And Christie would likely say "If he can't handle Megyn Kelly, how can he handle Hillary in debates?"

And he would be right.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

But see, that's why the Stupid Party keeps getting debate moderators like Candy Crowley or what we saw on CNBC for the primary debates. We're afraid to to be called "scared" so the media gets to have their way with us

The first thing Obama did was go out there and say the Republicans were "pussies" because they complained about debate moderators on CNBC. Or that we're "pussies" for not wanting to take in rapeugees.

This is a 11-year old taunt of reverse psychology "do what i want you to do or I swear I will call you a pussy!!!"

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 03:38 PM (6U2tl)

193 So what are the odds of Trump refusing to do the last debate? How would that help/hurt the narrative? Would it not blow up Fox... engender Trump to middle of the road Faux-News haters? Maybe fuel anti-establishment fever baby!

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I'd say the odds are below 30%. But I think he ought to refuse. I think it could help him. Could help him pull in some Dem leaning voters who may distrust Fox News. And I think there are a lot of conservative voters who distrust Fox News.

Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 03:38 PM (gmeXX)

194 Between Rubio's boots and those pointy little things The Bitch stuffs us into, we feel the focus of this election should be on more comfortable shoes.

Posted by: Hillary!s feet at January 26, 2016 03:38 PM (HgMAr)

195 Chi-town Jerry... agreed. Pussy. ( heh)

Posted by: Yip at January 26, 2016 03:38 PM (e7T6D)

196 Just putting this here to update my sig with BC and I's newest podcast.

To which all y'all are going to listen like good little minions. nodnodnodnodnodnodnod

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 26, 2016 03:38 PM (mf5HN)

197 yes he is soft on amnesty and that is a major strike against him. But that alone doesn't make him a "closet liberal", sheesh

It doesn't have to make him a closet liberal to make him unacceptable.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 03:38 PM (9krrF)

198 Here's NYT version of Establishment panic & putting Paul Ryan in.

http://tinyurl.com/jb9j5ac

Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 03:38 PM (sj3Ax)

199 So Cruz is the Genuine Outrage, and Trump is the Fake Outrage. I'll buy that. The only problem is Cruz tends not to come across well, at least on TV. Hate to see him win the nomination and lose the general election to the Wicked Witch of the West Wing.

Posted by: Caliban at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (DrC22)

200
Rubio also supports reducing or taking away due process from college men accused of rape.
He's devolving, not evolving.

Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (+aCe4)

201 But the jerk that took grandma's house to build a casino that failed? Not so much a winner.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:29 PM (39g3+)

Uh..... he tried to take Grandmas house after offering her $5 Million ... but NEVER GOT IT...

He lost...

She lived there until she entered a Nursing Home, and one of her descendants ended up selling it for about $500K...

You are usually more factual in your constant streams of attacks.

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (f7rv6)

202 They want Cruz, Rubio or anyone who isn't Trump because they fear for their phony balony jobs.

Sure, Cruz is universally hated by the right and left, but he still has to work within the system. Cruz lacks the ability that Reagan had of going over the heads of his own party, the opposition, and the media to get something done.

With Trump in power, a lot of these advisors/pundits/wheel greasers will be redundant.

Trump means change and the last thing the bulk of Washington DC wants to see is change.

Posted by: jwest at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (Zs4uk)

203 "You don't want Trump's main competitor being Rubio, unless you kind of want Rubio to have a pretty good shot of actually winning."
**********

Why, yes. Yes, actually, I do. That'd be my preferred outcome.

Thanks.

xoxo

Posted by: Vyce at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (C0AdQ)

204 189: "I'm tellin' ya, these campaign ads fucking write themselves."

It's easy when you only have one dead horse to beat.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (4nmNX)

205 . please show where Rubio pushed common core, that is a new one to me
2.
oh please. Rubio probably agrees with conservative positions probably
to the tune of 85-90%. yes he is soft on amnesty and that is a major
strike against him. But that alone doesn't make him a "closet liberal",
sheesh

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:35 PM (lVU49)

I posted a link to it a few days ago you'll have to go back and find it. And he isn't just "soft" on amnesty he had doubled down and tripled down on it and that doesn't even include his sellout to Chuck Cheese D*ck in the gang of 8 fiasco.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (t2KH5)

206 If Rubio is truly dead set against amnesty, and promises to shoot Mitch McConnell in the balls, I'd vote for him.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (kqD9B)

207 9 Abe Vigoda is dead!

I hope the GOPe and their consultants soon follows.

Posted by: rd at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (v0YLX)

208 It doesn't have to make him a closet liberal to make him unacceptable.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 03:38 PM (9krrF)
I AGREE. But disagreement on immigration doesn't suddenly transform all of Rubio's other positions into liberal ones.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (lVU49)

209 1. please show where Rubio pushed common core, that is a new one to me

Bing says he opposes federal common core standards, but does back state level curriculum reforms.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 03:40 PM (Yzubb)

210 I agree chemjeff.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 26, 2016 03:40 PM (l/N7H)

211 I'd say the odds are below 30%. But I think he ought to refuse. I think it could help him. Could help him pull in some Dem leaning voters who may distrust Fox News. And I think there are a lot of conservative voters who distrust Fox News.

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And anything that bucks political conventional wisdom seems to work in Trump's favor.

Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 03:40 PM (gmeXX)

212 > Abe Vigoda is dead for real this time. He was 94.

So long gentle fapper.

Posted by: Zombie Borgnine at January 26, 2016 03:40 PM (b99VK)

213 >>1. please show where Rubio pushed common core, that is a new one to me<<

Rubio supported "Florida Standards" which is essentially a state version of common core. The key difference of course being state control. Rubio mostly disagrees with federal control- which is what most people are opposed to.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 26, 2016 03:40 PM (GGCsk)

214 Has the GOP finally given up on !JEB!?

Posted by: rd at January 26, 2016 03:40 PM (v0YLX)

215 RIP Vigoda.

May the GOPe join you soon.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 03:41 PM (oVJmc)

216 They want Cruz, Rubio or anyone who isn't Trump because they fear for their phony balony jobs.

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I get a completely different vibe with respect to Cruz and Trump and the GOPe (I presume they are the they in your statement).

Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 03:41 PM (gmeXX)

217
Shit, I look the same.
Posted by: Zombie Abe Vigoda at January 26, 2016 03:35 PM (UBS9M)
...................

We'll fix you up.

Posted by: Mortuary to the Stars at January 26, 2016 03:41 PM (HgMAr)

218 Its the attitude of the LIV about Cruz that confuses me. They seem to think he's a cross between Dracula and Hitler. Seriously, they portray the guy as a horrific monster, something evil and hideous. I guess the "he's stupid" line just won't stick but what on earth? Where does this come from?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:21 PM (39g3+)

Yep, I go over to Salon sometimes to pester the inmates, and often I ask them why, specifically, do they think Cruz is a monster. What did he do?

They can never provide an answer. So then I just call them all racists and leave.

To be fair to them though, the MSM and some Repubs like McCain have actively tried to smear Cruz as crazy.

Posted by: stace, Boban mania at January 26, 2016 03:41 PM (CoX6k)

219 I'd say the odds are below 30%. But I think he ought to refuse. I think it could help him. Could help him pull in some Dem leaning voters who may distrust Fox News. And I think there are a lot of conservative voters who distrust Fox News.

Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 03:38 PM (gmeXX)

Not going to the debate would hurt him in the Primary.... but help in the General Election...

So the calculus is, how confident is he in winning the Primary.

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 03:41 PM (f7rv6)

220 I posted a link to it a few days ago you'll have to
go back and find it. And he isn't just "soft" on amnesty he had doubled
down and tripled down on it and that doesn't even include his sellout to
Chuck Cheese D*ck in the gang of 8 fiasco.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (t2KH5)
Well I did an admittedly brief Google search and I couldn't find anything saying other than Rubio opposes common core.

YES he is not good on immigration, but his terrible stance on immigration doesn't suddenly turn him into a gun-grabbing socialist

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:42 PM (lVU49)

221 But...the GOPe mothballs stink heavily in his closet.

that's the biggest strike against him, in my book. Right now, its war with the GOP elite for me and many others. The Dems we know are enemies, but in the last two years, the Republican Party has given up even trying to pretend they are anything else.

Even when McCain was the nominee, they tried to pretend they liked conservatives, but that was before the Tea Party movement showed up to directly challenge their control and power over the party. Now they hate us and show it at every moment.

Well you can have it right back, fellas. War it is.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:42 PM (39g3+)

222

lulz!

New rumor: Remember how the GOP selected Paul Ryan to be Speaker instead of electing him to the position [the vote that took place was just for show]?

Well, Carl Bernstein says he's hearing that the GOP will install [my word] Paul Ryan as the nominee at the brokered convention.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 03:42 PM (FqI4R)

223 Rush talking today about Trump, of course.

Rush sort of mocking Trump's latest blurt, that's the one in which he speaks of making a great deal, using the power of gummint and Medicare, to pound $300 billion out of the pockets of Eli Lilly and the rest of the drug cartel, and put the money in our pockets.

And then repeating, with a big HEH, one of the caller-ins claim that what we have going on right now is a third party candidate running under the Republican banner.

Oh, and get Mexico to pay for the wall. Right. Hey, Mexico, it's me calling, Donald, and how about that first check? You're a little late with it, and we want to start building? Oh, what's that? Bad connection, you say?

Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 26, 2016 03:42 PM (U6f54)

224 >>>> Abe Vigoda is dead for real this time. He was 94.
Posted by: ALH at January 26, 2016 03:36 PM
-----
Do not fall for this tactic. Abe Vigoda has been alive this whole time when you people have been telling me and convincing me that he is dead.

Abe Vigoda is not dead.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 03:42 PM (2x3L+)

225 Per WSJ Capittal Journal Trump is attacking Cruz because he's been hanging around too much at top of polls.

Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 03:42 PM (sj3Ax)

226 201: "Uh..... he tried to take Grandmas house after offering her $5 Million ... but NEVER GOT IT..."

It doesn't matter if he was successful. It only matters that he tried to take someone's home, by force, for his own personal gain.

Kind of like how Rubio was not successful at his amnesty push. But it still makes him unpalatable that he tried to pull it off.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:42 PM (4nmNX)

227 There is no way, no how, I would ever vote (D) again in my life. Abortion supporters. Amnesty. Syria. Taxes. National debt. Iran. Should I go on?

And the "stay home and pout" crowd proved their point in 2008, and look who we got! And I know many good people who refused to vote for Romney in 2012, and look who we got! Stale revenge is best served when you are mostly dead or moving out of the US. Bite moi. #inbadmood #donotmakemestopthiscar

I did not like Trump but he is growing on me. Would vote for him in a red-hot minute over any Dem.

This political cycle is, oh, 18 months too effing long. I say one debate a month before one gigantic primary six months before election day, then, done. #farht

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 26, 2016 03:42 PM (7lqMl)

228 ABE VIGODA IS DEAD????

Posted by: Al Sharpton at January 26, 2016 03:43 PM (FsuaD)

229 199 So Cruz is the Genuine Outrage, and Trump is the Fake Outrage. I'll buy that. The only problem is Cruz tends not to come across well, at least on TV. Hate to see him win the nomination and lose the general election to the Wicked Witch of the West Wing.
Posted by: Caliban at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (DrC22)

---------------------

I want you to sit down and think about what you just wrote.

Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 03:43 PM (Fmupd)

230 Railroading college kids into rape charges on college campuses, without due process, is totally conservative, yo.

Posted by: Marco Rube-ei-ei-o at January 26, 2016 03:43 PM (H9MG5)

231 What conservative bona fides, if Trump exhibited them, would convince the doubters that Trump's heart is in the right place, that he truly wants to make things better for Americans and will seek to do so by unapologetically pursuing the interests of the US?

Not "what would make you vote for Trump" I'm not fooling myself about my ability to convert anyone to the yuuuuge luxurious big tent.

What would make you accept that he doesn't want to harm the nation, or isn't only in it for himself, but thinks he can make America a better place?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 03:43 PM (xuouz)

232 I'd say the odds are below 30%. But I think he ought to refuse. I think it could help him. Could help him pull in some Dem leaning voters who may distrust Fox News. And I think there are a lot of conservative voters who distrust Fox News.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 03:38 PM (gmeXX)

Trump's son was on FOX this AM and said his Dad will be there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:43 PM (kzdjp)

233 On pretty much all the big issues, Rubio is pretty solidly conservative. YES he is soft on immigration and that is a huge strike against him. But taken in totality his record I think it is quite good. It is not enough for me to change my support from Cruz, but I can see how those who are interested in conservatism would select Rubio as a second choice.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:37 PM (lVU49)

Rubio's co-sponsorship of CASA is beyond the pale for me.

I may, may vote for him in the general but not in the primary.

If you cannot stand up for due process, and, in fact, co-sponsor a bill that spits in the face of it, then, no, I will not support you for anything other than game theory reasons.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 26, 2016 03:44 PM (mf5HN)

234 nd if Trump gets the most Primary wins, yet is maneuvered out of the Nomination due to rules and deal making...

Not only are all bets off for the election... as to who runs third party...

But I think it would be the last gasp of the GOP.... it would shatter...

But then.... how can a Political party who has LESS than even 1/4 of the Electorate as members... somehow hold power in both elected houses, and the President...
Posted by: Don Quixote
..............

With so many votes awarded proportionally this year, the losing candidates can all release their delegates and ask them to be cast for the establishment candidate before the first vote.

The RNC can appear to be above all that..

As far as third party run goes.. it's too late. Filing deadlines to get on a state's ballot begin closing this spring. And many states have sore loser laws that do not permit someone to change parties.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 26, 2016 03:44 PM (so+oy)

235 Free full episodes of Barney Miller on Yutube. The one I just watched opened with Abe Vigoda joking about dying. Season 3, episode 11.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 03:44 PM (2cS/G)

236 Cruz is a slimeball. "They're going to blame Republicans for the shutdown"... that's exactly what happened, and we're going to hear over and over about it in the general if Cruz is the nominee.

The other time he came to my attention this year was his grandstanding at a prayer breakfast for Arab Christians, demanding that they loudly proclaim their support for Israel and then walking out when they wouldn't do so. It was so obviously staged and tone-deaf, I decided from that moment that Cruz was a schlamiel. He's been decent in the debates but he just screams greasy politician to me.

As for Gang of Eight, I'm not bothered. SUE ME. Rubio tried to work with Democrats and backed out when it was obvious they couldn't deal fairly. That might have been a stunt too, but it's the sort of stunt that will cause Hispanics to pause over the HRC lever. That could very well win us the election right there, and it cost us nothing.

Posted by: evergreen at January 26, 2016 03:44 PM (4WHvI)

237 Day 5. No plow.

Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 03:44 PM (e3bId)

238 My favorite source in the US is about to be indicted.

I'm having a sad.

Posted by: Vladimir P. at January 26, 2016 03:45 PM (dboyw)

239
If Rubio is truly dead set against amnesty, and promises to shoot Mitch McConnell in the balls, I'd vote for him.
Posted by: Dr Spank
.................................

They make microscope guns?

Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 03:45 PM (HgMAr)

240 ABE VIGODA IS NOT DEAD!!!!!

Posted by: Al Sharpton at January 26, 2016 03:45 PM (2x3L+)

241
Uh..... he tried to take Grandmas house after offering her $5 Million ... but NEVER GOT IT...

Wait, there really was a grandma's house to clear out for the casino? I was just making something up as a story to make a point about how easy an attack on Trump would be using Eminent Domain.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:45 PM (39g3+)

242 "Oh, and get Mexico to pay for the wall. Right. Hey, Mexico, it's me calling, Donald, and how about that first check? You're a little late with it, and we want to start building? Oh, what's that? Bad connection, you say?"

Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 26, 2016 03:42 PM (U6f54)

I'm going to assume Trump plans on taking the wall money out of the money we send to Mexico every year.

It's a lot easier if you do it that way.

Posted by: jwest at January 26, 2016 03:46 PM (Zs4uk)

243 Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (f7rv6)

The point is that he tried to get the government to condemn it for him.

He sides with Ginsburg, Breyer and Stevens, and against Scalia Thomas and Renquist in that one.

That shows me what type of judges he would appoint.

Posted by: stace, Boban mania at January 26, 2016 03:46 PM (CoX6k)

244 What would make you accept that he doesn't want to harm the nation, or
isn't only in it for himself, but thinks he can make America a better
place?

Absolutely nothing. He has made it abundantly clear with all of his flipflops that he has ZERO convictions. I have no doubt he is a patriot and wants to make America a better place. But everyone SAYS they are a patriot. I'm sure Bernie Sanders thinks he is a patriot too. The devil is on what he thinks constitues "make America a better place". People like Bernie Sanders think that single-payer health care would "make America a better place", I strongly disagree. It isn't enough to say that you are a patriot who loves America and wants to fix it up, you have to say HOW you want to fix it up, in a manner that is credible and not based on just polls.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:46 PM (lVU49)

245 Honesty, I think Trump will stumble around and break shit. He will then focus on the economy and get that going again by returning some normalcy to the process. I am also going to posit that global warming won't be identified as the greatest threat to our country.

There is a very strong undercurrent that Trump can really help pocketbook issues which are prevalent on voters minds. Personally, I think that's spot on.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 26, 2016 03:46 PM (GGCsk)

246 I AGREE. But disagreement on immigration doesn't suddenly transform all of Rubio's other positions into liberal ones.

It does, however, make them irrelevant, the Tacoma Narrows Bridge of candidates as it were.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 03:46 PM (9krrF)

247 Well I did an admittedly brief Google search and I couldn't find anything saying other than Rubio opposes common core.

YES
he is not good on immigration, but his terrible stance on immigration
doesn't suddenly turn him into a gun-grabbing socialist

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:42 PM (lVU49)

Yes, you will find many news agencies quoting him as opposing common core. But if you dig you will find he supports ESSA which is virtually identical to common core. He is talking out the side of his mouth.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 03:46 PM (t2KH5)

248 Good, solid advice although if Trump wins Iowa he *likely* pretty well runs the table. Still, taking out the Establishment Nancy Boy Marco Rubio needs to be done ASAP, and then let the rest of the pigs root for the shit or whatever.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 26, 2016 03:46 PM (6gR7l)

249 240
ABE VIGODA IS NOT DEAD!!!!!

Posted by: Al Sharpton at January 26, 2016 03:45 PM (2x3L+)

YES HE IS!!!!

Posted by: Al Sharpton at January 26, 2016 03:46 PM (FsuaD)

250 Tonite in Branson we'll be playing 'My Vigoda' in honor of Abe! Tickets still available!

Posted by: The Knack at January 26, 2016 03:46 PM (UBS9M)

251 On pretty much all the big issues, Rubio is pretty
solidly conservative. YES he is soft on immigration and that is a huge
strike against him. But taken in totality his record I think it is quite
good. It is not enough for me to change my support from Cruz, but I can
see how those who are interested in conservatism would select Rubio as a
second choice.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:37 PM (lVU49)

He is also soft on all other issues that the Catholic Church is soft on and is soft on individual rights when they butt up against government convenience...

welfare? Of course, since charity is our responsibility (never mind that it is our individual responsibility to do charity with our own resources and NOT to get the government to do charity by forcefully taking other people's money).

Government surveillance without a warrant? Yes sirree Bob, cause if we can't trust a powerful government entity to abrogate your rights, who can we trust?

Due process for male college students? Who needs that? After all, "victims" wouldn't be making accusations if those accusations weren't true.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:47 PM (OrI3J)

252 What would make you accept that he doesn't want to harm the nation, or isn't only in it for himself, but thinks he can make America a better place?

-----------

I think he really does think he can make America great again. And anyone running for president has a little narcissim in them. Where I differ with Trump is that his vision of making America great again is likely different from mine.

At somepoint I would like to hear him talk about the types of justices he would appoint. Talk about the social issues - I know he has talked about his pro-life conversion before. It frankly left me wanting.

Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 03:47 PM (gmeXX)

253 Wait, is Abe Vigoda really dead this time?
I can't believe I'm falling for this shit again.
I

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 03:47 PM (2x3L+)

254 And the "stay home and pout" crowd proved their point in 2008, and look who we got!

The biggest voter turnout in human history? People didn't stay home and pout then. They held their noses and reluctantly voted for a man who openly and gleefully hated them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:47 PM (39g3+)

255 Cruz is a slimeball. They're going to blame Republicans for the shutdown"... that's exactly
what happened, and we're going to hear over and over about it in the
general if Cruz is the nominee"
Posted by: evergreen

I guess we'll have to blame him for the midterms that followed.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 26, 2016 03:47 PM (kqD9B)

256 Wait, there really was a grandma's house to clear out for the casino? I was just making something up as a story to make a point about how easy an attack on Trump would be using Eminent Domain.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:45 PM (39g3+)

Didn't you know? If you tell a Trump story and really, really believe it, it comes true ex post facto.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 03:47 PM (xuouz)

257 What would make you accept that he doesn't want to harm the nation, or isn't only in it for himself, but thinks he can make America a better place?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 03:43 PM (xuouz)
***

Nothing.

Posted by: evergreen at January 26, 2016 03:47 PM (4WHvI)

258 As for Gang of Eight, I'm not bothered. SUE ME. Rubio tried to work with Democrats and backed out when it was obvious they couldn't deal fairly.

Yeah BUULSHIT on that one. He was an originator and in for the long haul till he got destroyed by the non-RINOs and the Base.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:47 PM (kzdjp)

259 Oh, and get Mexico to pay for the wall. Right. Hey, Mexico, it's me calling, Donald, and how about that first check? You're a little late with it, and we want to start building? Oh, what's that? Bad connection, you say?
Posted by: the littl shyning man

Okay, I guess we'll just tear up NAFTA and our annual $54 BILLION dollar plus trade deficit with Mexico

What's that? Your economy will implode? Politicians will start being hanged from lam posts? Huh, I guess a few billion for a wall seems pretty cheap then, pennies on the dollar.

FWIW, I don't expect Mexico to pay for a wall, but I have ZERO problem with us paying for it, and we do have huge leverage if we didn't have a Congress full of open border, free trade zealots that care more about Mexico's well being than our own

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 03:47 PM (6U2tl)

260 "But the jerk that took grandma's house to build a casino that failed?"
He didn't, although he tried to. He offered her a lot more than it was worth. She should have taken the offer.

The bankruptcies were on properties with non-recourse financing. The lenders knew that Donald had no personal liability over and above whatever equity he had put into the deal.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 26, 2016 03:48 PM (r1fLd)

261 253 Wait, is Abe Vigoda really dead this time?
I can't believe I'm falling for this shit again.
I
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 03:47 PM (2x3L+)

He really is. Passed overnight in his sleep.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 03:48 PM (Yzubb)

262 Who wouldn't like Marco? *evil grin*

Posted by: Chuck Schumer at January 26, 2016 03:48 PM (HgMAr)

263 Day 5. No plow.
Posted by: Weasel

You live in a Democrat stronghold, Weasel?

We got plowed four times Day 1, twice a day (plus salt), every day since. Can almost see the curbs on both sides of the street.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 26, 2016 03:48 PM (fbovC)

264 As for Gang of Eight, I'm not bothered. SUE ME. Rubio tried to work with Democrats and backed out when it was obvious they couldn't deal fairly. That might have been a stunt too, but it's the sort of stunt that will cause Hispanics to pause over the HRC lever. That could very well win us the election right there, and it cost us nothing.
Posted by: evergreen

And the fact that YOU aren't bothered makes all warm and fuzzy inside. He rolled over to chuckie schumer ad that okey fine.

He delivered one speech in English and quite another in Spanish.

Don't forget your pineapple.

Posted by: AoSHQ Welcoming Committee at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (326rv)

265 >>> He really is. Passed overnight in his sleep.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 03:48 PM (Yzubb
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You are such a bad liar. He's not dead.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (2x3L+)

266 >> that's the biggest strike against him, in my book. Right
>> now, its war with the GOP elite for me and many others.

Yes, I get that.

It was war with the GOPe to get Rubio elected over Agent Orange.

My, how times change.

There's GOP politicians who have clearly walked away from what brung 'em to the dance. Rubio's not that far out there.

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (o+SC1)

267 well Abe VIgoda wont be voting this year

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (voOPb)

268 Honesty, I think Trump will stumble around and break
shit. He will then focus on the economy and get that going again by
returning some normalcy to the process. I am also going to posit that
global warming won't be identified as the greatest threat to our
country.

There is a very strong undercurrent that Trump can
really help pocketbook issues which are prevalent on voters minds.
Personally, I think that's spot on.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 26, 2016 03:46 PM (GGCsk)

The only pocketbooks Trump helps are his own and those of other crony capitalists. The man is no fan of the free market.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (OrI3J)

269 Rubio's co-sponsorship of CASA is beyond the pale for me.

I may, may vote for him in the general but not in the primary.

If you cannot stand up for due process, and, in fact, co-sponsor a
bill that spits in the face of it, then, no, I will not support you for
anything other than game theory reasons.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 26, 2016 03:44 PM (mf5HN)
I agree that is another strike against Rubio.
I am about where you are at. He is a somewhat-decent second choice.
Which is what started this whole discussion in the first place, how Cruz supporters could tolerate Rubio as a second choice.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (lVU49)

270 Wait, is Abe Vigoda really dead this time?

Yes, he actually and sadly is dead, not Buzzion dead, but for real. Great actor and a sad day.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (39g3+)

271 162 Christie is calling for the State of NJ to take over Atlantic City....Yeah NO...as a NJ Tax Payer, NO
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:32 PM (kzdjp)

__

Do tax payers get free hookers and comped suites as the owners?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (0LHZx)

272 >>That shows me what type of judges he would appoint.
Posted by: stace, Boban mania at January 26, 2016 03:46 PM (CoX6k)<<

Except that he described Clarence Thomas as his favorite justice...

But you go girl,

Posted by: Marcus T at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (GGCsk)

273 My best hope for a Trump presidency is that it causes Congress to reassert itself and causes the states to push back further on federal encroachment.

Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (gmeXX)

274 I see pluses and minuses for Trump, re: the debate. At some point soon, he is going to have to decide whether or not the GOPe is going to shaft him. Does he run against them , or calculate that they'll come around to him if he give them no choice by winning so much. Can he control the game just by winning?

I'm thinking what Ace Johnson said is right. The GOPe isn't going to listen until/unless they are out of other options. Until then, they will be actively conspiring to undermine and unseat Trump... or Cruz.. as viable nominees.

Mississippi.

Posted by: Yip at January 26, 2016 03:50 PM (e7T6D)

275 *peeks in*

*dodges rounds from circular firing squad*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2016 03:50 PM (FsuaD)

276 Posted by: evergreen at January 26, 2016 03:44 PM (4WHvI)

Question....

Has Rubio ever NOT voted party line on Spending Bills?

Besides the platitudes of public speeches... has he ever gone on the Senate floor and railed against out of control spending, and the Budget PROCESS?

Has he, in his time in the Congress... ever put forth any bills to reign in spending?

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 03:50 PM (f7rv6)

277 The bankruptcies were on properties with non-recourse financing. The lenders knew that Donald had no personal liability over and above whatever equity he had put into the deal.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 26, 2016 03:48 PM (r1fLd)

They are all Chapter 11s and 3 of the 4 were Casinos and Trump got out while the getting was, well not good, but better than later. It was Trump who mostly lost money on those deals. He reduced his holdings to get out.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:50 PM (kzdjp)

278 >>>>> 263 Day 5. No plow.
Posted by: Weasel
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Do you live out in the stix? Are you okay? Can you drive at all?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 03:50 PM (2x3L+)

279 267: "well Abe VIgoda wont be voting this year"

The local Democrat precinct leader disagrees.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:50 PM (4nmNX)

280
Cruz and Trump -- one and two or two and one -- coming out of Iowa.

Leave the GOPe gunshot, bleeding and wondering what the hell happened.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 26, 2016 03:50 PM (BK3ZS)

281 Okay, I guess we'll just tear up NAFTA and our annual $54 BILLION dollar plus trade deficit with Mexico

What's that? Your economy will implode? Politicians will start being hanged from lam posts? Huh, I guess a few billion for a wall seems pretty cheap then, pennies on the dollar.

FWIW, I don't expect Mexico to pay for a wall, but I have ZERO problem with us paying for it, and we do have huge leverage if we didn't have a Congress full of open border, free trade zealots that care more about Mexico's well being than our own

Senor, you want to remit ten dollars to the senora in your village? That'll be $18.00.
$10.00 + $8.00 (80%)

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (Yzubb)

282 Uh..... he tried to take Grandmas house after offering her $5 Million ... but NEVER GOT IT...

He lost...

She lived there until she entered a Nursing Home, and one of her descendants ended up selling it for about $500K...

You are usually more factual in your constant streams of attacks.
Posted by: Don Quixote

the area was blighted. I want Cruz but please so very tired of the Cruz is a Canadian, and tired of the Trump made little old ladies homeless. That area was a blighted crack house ruin and without the Casinos Atlantic City is reverting to a slum by the sea

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (zOTsN)

283 You are such a bad liar. He's not dead.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (2x3L+)

http://www.inquisitr.com/2741163/abe-vigoda-dead/

Yup. Died in his sleep.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (mf5HN)

284 Oh, and get Mexico to pay for the wall. Right. Hey, Mexico, it's me calling, Donald, and how about that first check? You're a little late with it, and we want to start building? Oh, what's that? Bad connection, you say?
Posted by: the littl shyning man

No, the connection is perfect. I just authorized a 30% surcharge on all Western Union transfers to Mexico and all points South.

Posted by: D. Trump at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (326rv)

285 Jeff Goldblum died of a heart attack when he heard about Vigoda.

RIP.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (oVJmc)

286 Well Cruz and Rubio are both <s> Mexican </s> Peruvian.
So there is that.

Posted by: Roland THTG at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (QM5S2)

287 On pretty much all the big issues, Rubio is pretty solidly conservative. YES he is soft on immigration and that is a huge strike against him. But taken in totality his record I think it is quite good.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:37 PM (lVU49)

Benedict Arnold was pretty much a great Revolutionary general. He was pretty solid and contributed to important victories. Yes, he was soft on West Point and that was a huge strike against him, but taken in totality his record in the Recolutionary War was quite good.

Illegals are not immigrants, jeff. They are invaders. Plain and simple. Please stop with the weasely wording that is meant to attempt to hide and confuse the actual issue.

As to Rubio, he's a treasonous little worm. He has no business in the government of a nation since he doesn't even like the notion of the nation-state. He works for illegals and all others south of the border. They are his true constituents. He should go run for El Presidente of Mexico or the dictator of Argentina or Venezuela. Those are the people he represents.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (zc3Db)

288 Cruz first, Trump probably if I have to, Rubio never in a million years.

Posted by: Joanne at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (hgBpU)

289 Day 5. No plow.

Posted by: Weasel

You live in a Democrat stronghold, Weasel?

We got plowed four times Day 1, twice a day (plus salt), every day since. Can almost see the curbs on both sides of the street.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 26, 2016 03:48 PM (fbovC)

I live in a Democratic city and the only snow moving that has happened, private citizens did.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (OrI3J)

290 well Abe VIgoda wont be voting this year

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (voOPb)

LOLWUT?

Posted by: Chicago at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (kff5f)

291 Nothing.
Posted by: evergreen at January 26, 2016 03:47 PM (4WHvI)

Suspicions confirmed! Continue your whines, wails, gnashing, groans, fits, conniptions and hitleresque table pounding over the lack of reason and dispassionate analysis coming from Trump supporters.

Each and every one of you pious Trump haters are looking in the mirror and fuming at a version of yourself that actually believes there's hope.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (xuouz)

292 Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:47 PM (OrI3J)

Well I don't consider those particularly "soft", as much as "mainstream conservative positions" (except the CASA nonsense). Rubio isn't a libertarian like Rand Paul after all

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (lVU49)

293 It's easy when you only have one dead horse to beat.Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:39 PM (4nmNX)

Don't know what you mean. Your guy's more venal and morally bankrupt and psychologically fucked-up than Hillary. He's a Saturday morning cartoon villain and you and your Let It Burn pals seemingly don't care about important leadership traits like character.ChoosingTrump as a candidate makes absolutely no sense to me on any level, unless you think playing to lose is somehow a winning strategy.

I keep reading Trump supporters saying they won't vote for this Republican or that Republican or whatever because they failed your personal purity tests--yet you fully expect someone like me to pull the lever for that lowlife sleazeball Trump should he win the nomination.

Posted by: troyriser at January 26, 2016 03:52 PM (UWlp+)

294 My work web browser block me from the comment section. Reasons ...sex....damn i must be commenting all wrong

Posted by: MrKnowItAll at January 26, 2016 03:52 PM (egzLR)

295 If you want to know why Atlantic City is a shithole look no further than thier fatally corrupt local government, not Trump

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:52 PM (zOTsN)

296 Ugh Trump doesn't expect Mexico to pay for a wall. But he's saying it so that in some inevitable negotiations on trade or immigration or whatever, he'll throw that out there knowing full well it will be rejected.

It's the equivalent of buying a car and saying I'll take the car for $8K under MSRP and you have to throw in 25 free oil changes. You end up with 3 oil changes and $4K off MSRP.

There's a word for this stuff that nobody in the GOPe knows. Rhymes with megotiating...

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:52 PM (0LHZx)

297 without the Casinos Atlantic City is reverting to a slum by the sea
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (zOTsN)

Atlantic City was always a slum 2 blocks off the beach and THAT was part of the problem.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:52 PM (kzdjp)

298 267
well Abe VIgoda wont be voting this year

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (voOPb)

Bwahahahahaha! Dream on.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2016 03:52 PM (FsuaD)

299 http://tinyurl.com/zd9w7w6

Cruz Super Pac ad about Trump.

Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 03:52 PM (sj3Ax)

300 As for Gang of Eight, I'm not bothered. SUE ME.
Rubio tried to work with Democrats and backed out when it was obvious
they couldn't deal fairly. That might have been a stunt too, but it's
the sort of stunt that will cause Hispanics to pause over the HRC lever.
That could very well win us the election right there, and it cost us
nothing.

Posted by: evergreen at January 26, 2016 03:44 PM (4WHvI)

I haven't noticed him "backing out". He has repeatedly advocated for amnesty for illegals. It has only been recently that he started talking out the side of his mouth on it.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 03:52 PM (t2KH5)

301 Didn't you know? If you tell a Trump story and really, really believe it, it comes true ex post facto.

Evidently so, but seriously, he's really vulnerable on that side. Even Hillary isn't on the record being pro-kick grandma out of the house to build another gaudy structure. Its something Trump seems to embrace though, loving it. I can see why, he's gotten quite wealthy on the deal. But voters might not be willing to shrug at it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:53 PM (39g3+)

302 I'm sure it has been mentioned, but

Abe Vigoda is actually dead.

There goes an entire generation of jokes. RIP Abe.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 26, 2016 03:53 PM (kKHcp)

303 Why did all the diamonds etc disappear?

Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 03:53 PM (sj3Ax)

304 >>>> well Abe VIgoda wont be voting this year
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 26, 2016
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Wait, was Abe Vigoda a Democrat? If he was that means that he will be voting this year and that he is actually dead.
And you're playing mind games with me, MisHum.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 03:53 PM (2x3L+)

305 Can you bring me back, for old times sake?

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at January 26, 2016 03:53 PM (l3vZN)

306 I haven't noticed him "backing out". He has repeatedly advocated for amnesty for illegals. It has only been recently that he started talking out the side of his mouth on it.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 03:52 PM (t2KH5)

Yup

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:53 PM (kzdjp)

307 I am about where you are at. He is a somewhat-decent second choice.
Which is what started this whole discussion in the first place, how Cruz supporters could tolerate Rubio as a second choice.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (lVU49)

Rubio's only job EVER, is as a Legislator. He has never run a damn thing in his life, except elections.

And to complete the meme.... this in many ways, IS the story of Barrak Obama.

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (f7rv6)

308
The R Estabs have absolutely love the Obama ~~Administration~~ Kleptocracy, they don't want Cruz upsetting the apple cart.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (ODxAs)

309 Why did all the diamonds etc disappear?

Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 03:53 PM (sj3Ax)

Embarrassment.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (zc3Db)

310 Uh..... he tried to take Grandmas house after offering her $5 Million ... but NEVER GOT IT...

He lost...

She lived there until she entered a Nursing Home, and one of her descendants ended up selling it for about $500K...

You are usually more factual in your constant streams of attacks.

Posted by: Don Quixote

the area was blighted. I want Cruz but please so very tired of the
Cruz is a Canadian, and tired of the Trump made little old ladies
homeless. That area was a blighted crack house ruin and without the
Casinos Atlantic City is reverting to a slum by the sea

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (zOTsN)

Whether the area was blighted or not, that lady still owned her home and should never have been put in danger of losing it to benefit another private citizen.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (OrI3J)

311 Rubio can not be resurrected. That is a pipe dream, if that's what GOP playas are counting on.

Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (KklUr)

312
Actually, what we really want is to have Trump handily sew up Iowa and New Hampshire thus setting him up to and easily and stridently run the tables.

We. Want. A. STRONG. Candidate. Heading. Into. The. General.

We've already gotten all the important promises out of Trump we need.
First off: unlike any other GOP candidate (yes, including Cruze) Trump is whole heartedly committed to ending the Illegal Immigration Crisis by securing the border and punishing employers who hire illegals. Moreover, he's the only candidate to have demonstrated LEADERSHIP on this issue.
Secondly, Trump has laid out a Tax Plan that no less than Grover Norquest has endorsed.

What more could we, as conservatives ask for? PLENTY. But we should take Border Security (i.e., National Identity Preservation) above all else.

And The Don is a WINNER.
He kicks ass. Plain. And. Simple.

He can and will Self Finance in the General. (Even the Clinton Crime Corporation will not be able to outspend him.)
He is beholden to no one.

He is tacitly endorsed by Limbaugh, Steyn, Hannity, and other conservative powerhouses.
He is openly endorsed by Ann Coulter - one of the most intelligent and strident conservatives EVER.

It's time to line up behind THE DON and create a Trump Juggernaut that will not be denied.

And for all the Nasty Trump Haters: stop whining because Trump is an unmitigated WINNER who never backs down who even shut the pie hole of Bill and Hillary Clinton.
No one else has EVER done that. So get a clue. Fast.

Posted by: Trump Super Fan at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (l2dSQ)

313 s for Gang of Eight, I'm not bothered. SUE ME.
Rubio tried to work with Democrats and backed out when it was obvious
they couldn't deal fairly. That might have been a stunt too, but it's
the sort of stunt that will cause Hispanics to pause over the HRC lever.
That could very well win us the election right there, and it cost us
nothing.

Posted by: evergreen at January 26, 2016 03:44 PM (4WHvI)

_____

Man what a load of revisionist bullshit. He didn't back out, he was forced out after the base revolted. He was ready to give Schumer everything.

Jezuz this was only 3 years ago and already people have forgotten.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (0LHZx)

314 303 Why did all the diamonds etc disappear?
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 03:53 PM (sj3Ax)

Well, it all started when I went down to buy a new caravan off some pikeys down by the river...

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (xuouz)

315 "Tom, can you get me off the hook for old times sake?"

"Sorry, Sally, I can't do it. You're really dead."

Vigoda is gone for real. See the WSJ headline.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (GGCsk)

316 well Abe VIgoda wont be voting this year

So very, very naive you are. In fact, without consulting a single Caribbean physic, we can assure you he will be voting, 'early and often'.

Posted by: Democrat Voters In ALL 50 states at January 26, 2016 03:55 PM (fbovC)

317 without the Casinos Atlantic City is reverting to a slum by the sea
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (zOTsN)

Atlantic City was always a slum 2 blocks off the beach and THAT was part of the problem.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:52 PM (kzdjp)

exactly. Not some quaint house out of Mayberry RFD, covered with roses and hydrangea

it was a shithole, the Casinos were a good thing that AC desparately needed for employment and to make a tax base

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:55 PM (zOTsN)

318 If you want to know why Atlantic City is a shithole look no further than thier fatally corrupt local government, not Trump

Its a bit out of the way to gamble now that you can do it at home. And people are increasingly light on spare change these days.

I will give the mob boys this though: they knew how to run a casino. Never was a problem with profit back when they ran things, and they scooped half of it into their pockets.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:55 PM (39g3+)

319 293: "...yet you fully expect someone like me to pull the lever for that lowlife sleazeball Trump should he win the nomination."

Not at all. It makes no difference to me who you vote for, as I don't think it will make any real difference.

I'd just like to see you put your talents and efforts into more than a one note song.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:55 PM (4nmNX)

320 BTW, and OT, there was measurable snow in Okinawa for the first time in recorded history.

Al Gore wasn't there.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 26, 2016 03:55 PM (l3vZN)

321 Evidently so, but seriously, he's really vulnerable on that side. Even Hillary isn't on the record being pro-kick grandma out of the house to build another gaudy structure. Its something Trump seems to embrace though, loving it. I can see why, he's gotten quite wealthy on the deal. But voters might not be willing to shrug at it.

Offer me $5 million for my $500k house. Go ahead. I dare you.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 03:55 PM (Yzubb)

322 Jezuz this was only 3 years ago and already people have forgotten.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (0LHZx)

That's putting it charitably.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 03:55 PM (xuouz)

323 I heard Rubio backed out of that bill. CASA is it? The college rapey thing?

Posted by: jewells45 at January 26, 2016 03:56 PM (l/N7H)

324 There's a word for this stuff that nobody in the GOPe knows. Rhymes with megotiating...
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo

I love that our own side is infuriated will Trump for basically calling out Mexico and demanding they pay a pound of their own flesh for inflicting this crisis on the United States

Does it REALLY bother conservatives that Donald Trump is demanding the criminal cartel that runs Mexico be held accountable?

Even if Mexico doesn't pay a single penny, we have all kinds of leverage. We could simply blockade tourism and the entire country would be a failed state in 18 months

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 03:56 PM (6U2tl)

325 Evidently so, but seriously, he's really vulnerable on that side. Even Hillary isn't on the record being pro-kick grandma out of the house to build another gaudy structure. Its something Trump seems to embrace though, loving it. I can see why, he's gotten quite wealthy on the deal. But voters might not be willing to shrug at it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:53 PM (39g3+)

Yeah that's WRONG.

First of all developers do NOT have the power of Eminent Domain, only the local Governments do. So if you don't like ED, complain to the elected Officials. And ALL developers try to get local Governments to use ED in certain instances.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:56 PM (kzdjp)

326 I've always found the "minority" thing to be pretty ridiculous anyway. The majority of the world's population is Asian. Yet by the wailing of the SJWers you'd think that 99% of the world's population was white.

Posted by: Lauren at January 26, 2016 03:56 PM (Kqit+)

327 "Benedict Arnold was pretty much a great Revolutionary general. He was pretty solid and contributed to important victories. Yes, he was soft on West Point and that was a huge strike against him, but taken in totality his record in the Recolutionary War was quite good...As to Rubio, he's a treasonous little worm..."Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (zc3Db)

Dude, you just compared a Republican Senator soft on immigration to Benedict Arnold, whose treason very nearly cost us West Point and--had the plan had been carried out to its fruition--the life of General Washington. Get agrip.

Posted by: troyriser at January 26, 2016 03:56 PM (UWlp+)

328 Whether the area was blighted or not, that lady still owned her home and should never have been put in danger of losing it to benefit another private citizen.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (OrI3J)

fer crying out loud it was a neighborhood of crack houses

you really do not know what you are talking about

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:56 PM (zOTsN)

329 >>>He is openly endorsed by Ann Coulter - one of the most intelligent and strident conservatives EVER.

Posted by: Trump Super Fan at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (l2dSQ)<<<

So was Mitt Romney. Ann also thought Mitt reentering the race this year would be a great idea.

Yeah. BRILLIANT!!!

Posted by: the Guinness Guys at January 26, 2016 03:57 PM (H9MG5)

330 Rubio is a perfect puppet for the party.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 03:57 PM (oVJmc)

331 Well, it all started when I went down to buy a new caravan off some pikeys down by the river...

Now is a good place to quote some of Mickey's lines but Brad Pitt did such a good job making him nearly incomprehensible that I can't even figure out how to type them. Pitt is the best of his generation of actors. Just amazing.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:57 PM (39g3+)

332 at one point he was willing to pay 5 mill for a crack house and she said no,

and got to stay in her house

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:57 PM (zOTsN)

333 The GOPe smells of flop-sweat, onions, and failure.

And cats.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! Temper Your Tantrum with Flammable Die-Grease! at January 26, 2016 03:57 PM (hLRSq)

334 Except that he described Clarence Thomas as his favorite justice...

But you go girl,
Posted by: Marcus T at January 26, 2016 03:49 PM (GGCsk)

He also said he'd like to appoint his lefty sister to SCOTUS.

I'm sure he's telling the truth about all those things, just like getting Mexico to pay for the Wall and 50 or so other things.

Posted by: stace, Boban mania at January 26, 2016 03:58 PM (CoX6k)

335 The bankruptcies were on properties with non-recourse financing. The lenders knew that Donald had no personal liability over and above whatever equity he had put into the deal.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 26, 2016 03:48 PM (r1fLd)

Yea, but he put a gun to their head and made them loan the money/

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 26, 2016 03:58 PM (QPdNE)

336 Mexico could build the wall, one would think, if 1/2 of their reparations were for the cause. You know...the second largest income for Mexico behind oil.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 26, 2016 03:58 PM (7lqMl)

337 Trump talks.
He has no record of doing anything but working the system to get rich.
He promises all the fabulous shit and has no plan.
Everything will be fabulous and the best ever!
Even Oprah actually gave some cars away.

Posted by: Roland THTG at January 26, 2016 03:59 PM (QM5S2)

338 Sessions has appeared with Trump and his guy is now working for Trump. Sessions not only backed Trump on the border but on most of what Trump said on trade. We need jobs and fewer invaders, so those two issues are huge, and both brought to national attention as a campaign issue by Trump.

He's soft on some other things, but nothing critical. I don't see how Cruz fades away even if he is second in Iowa, since he is up over Rubio 21 to 11. Rubio is second choice for now maybe, but Trump has focused on Cruz. Rubio will likely be crushed if Trump spotlights his amnesty flop and love for Schumer and the boyz.

But getting Trump more committed to more conservative items ... OK, will that work? Fortunately no one counts on me for such strategic advice.

Posted by: Illiniwek at January 26, 2016 03:59 PM (5Gpe2)

339 I'd rather slam my johnson in a car door than vote for Rubio.

He may very well end up as Trump's VP. But I will be gagging upon reading his name.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 26, 2016 03:59 PM (GGCsk)

340 Damn, Abe Vigoda is actually dead. Dead-dead. For real.
Now what are we going to do?
Go back to Buzzion or Jeff Goldblum?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 03:59 PM (2x3L+)

341

Poor Fish.

He deserves a post.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 03:59 PM (FqI4R)

342 Dude, you just compared a Republican Senator soft on immigration to Benedict Arnold, whose treason very nearly cost us West Point and--had the plan had been carried out to its fruition--the life of General Washington. Get agrip.
Posted by: troyriser at January 26, 2016 03:56 PM (UWlp+)

_____

Rubio's amnesty plan will turn the US into a 3rd World shithole. But yeah. no biggie.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:59 PM (0LHZx)

343

these casinos were built lonnngggg before the advent of internet gambling

her house wasn't even worth 500k

she was offered 5 mill and turned it down

huge tragedy occurred

not

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:59 PM (zOTsN)

344 at one point he was willing to pay 5 mill for a crack house and she said no,

and got to stay in her house

Which her heirs later sold for a $4.5 million dollar loss.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 03:59 PM (Yzubb)

345 329: "So was Mitt Romney. Ann also thought Mitt reentering the race this year would be a great idea."

Wasn't she also all aboard the Crispy Crème train a little while ago?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:59 PM (4nmNX)

346 330 Rubio is a perfect puppet for the party.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 03:57 PM (oVJmc)

A practically perfect party puppet.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 03:59 PM (xuouz)

347 Should be flaming skull worthy:

Abe Vigoda finally passed away at 94.

RIP.

I was sure he would outlive all of us.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 26, 2016 04:00 PM (t8P62)

348

Fish should get the flaming skull.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:00 PM (FqI4R)

349 Tessio was always smarter.

Posted by: Michael Corleone at January 26, 2016 04:00 PM (UBS9M)

350
First of all developers do NOT have the power of Eminent Domain, only the local Governments do.

Hence, cronyism, and being a big fan of it. As Trump is. Its a weakness, and only a zealot would ignore that. Is it fatal? I doubt it, depending on how he handles it. But its something out there that his enemies will definitely use.

So was Mitt Romney. Ann also thought Mitt reentering the race this year would be a great idea.

Of course, she was against him before she was for him. I was never a huge Coulter fan before that but when she did her flip flop, I lost all respect for ... it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:00 PM (39g3+)

351 Trump praised the Kelo decision. That alone takes him off the list for me.

Posted by: stace, Boban mania at January 26, 2016 04:00 PM (CoX6k)

352 Abe Vigoda is dead!

Then the apocalypse is at hand.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 26, 2016 04:00 PM (4WhSY)

353 Damn, Abe Vigoda is actually dead. Dead-dead. For real.
Now what are we going to do?
Go back to Buzzion or Jeff Goldblum?

Horde Guard to grammie winger's house! Stat!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 04:01 PM (Yzubb)

354 Actually, what we really want is to have Trump
handily sew up Iowa and New Hampshire thus setting him up to and easily
and stridently run the tables.

We. Want. A. STRONG. Candidate. Heading. Into. The. General.

We've already gotten all the important promises out of Trump we need.
First
off: unlike any other GOP candidate (yes, including Cruze) Trump is
whole heartedly committed to ending the Illegal Immigration Crisis by
securing the border and punishing employers who hire illegals. Moreover,
he's the only candidate to have demonstrated LEADERSHIP on this issue.
Secondly, Trump has laid out a Tax Plan that no less than Grover Norquest has endorsed.

What
more could we, as conservatives ask for? PLENTY. But we should take
Border Security (i.e., National Identity Preservation) above all else.

And The Don is a WINNER.
He kicks ass. Plain. And. Simple.

He can and will Self Finance in the General. (Even the Clinton Crime Corporation will not be able to outspend him.)
He is beholden to no one.

He is tacitly endorsed by Limbaugh, Steyn, Hannity, and other conservative powerhouses.
He is openly endorsed by Ann Coulter - one of the most intelligent and strident conservatives EVER.

It's time to line up behind THE DON and create a Trump Juggernaut that will not be denied.

And
for all the Nasty Trump Haters: stop whining because Trump is an
unmitigated WINNER who never backs down who even shut the pie hole of
Bill and Hillary Clinton.
No one else has EVER done that. So get a clue. Fast.

Posted by: Trump Super Fan at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (l2dSQ)

Your concern is noted.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 04:01 PM (OrI3J)

355

@329:

In 2012, Coulter was right about Romney because he was the best in the field.
Gingrich was so personally toxic and weird he made Obama and all of his insane past associations (e.g. Jeremiah Wright) look wholesome and pure.

Coulter mentioned Romney in the current election cycle WAY before Trump and Cruz were soaring in the GOP field.
Obviously, she wouldn't trade Trump for ten Mit Romneys now.

Posted by: Trump Super Fan at January 26, 2016 04:01 PM (l2dSQ)

356 Trump and Cruz. NY and TX. What a combo!

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 04:01 PM (JO9+V)

357 I was wondering last night if anyone at the debates will bring up Trump's 20-year old lawsuit regarding the illegal Polish workers he/his company hired back in 1990. One of the guys turned FBI informant was inside the Trump circle and testified that Trump knew they were illegal.

Posted by: Joanne at January 26, 2016 04:01 PM (hgBpU)

358 Yes, Abe Vigoda is really dead.

http://tinyurl.com/zz9blau

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 04:01 PM (t2KH5)

359 Rubio's amnesty plan will turn the US into a 3rd World shithole. But yeah. no biggie.

-------------

People will certainly disagree with this, but I fear amnesty is more likely with Trump than Rubio. As people have said, Trump has F-U money. Rubio would certainly not do amnesty in a first term as he would lose reelection. But how can everyone be so certain that Trump wouldn't. He has F-U money.

Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 04:01 PM (gmeXX)

360

the Cronies who declared the area blighted WERE DEMS. AC IS A DEM BASTION SINCE FOREVER

and he never got her particular crack house

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 04:02 PM (zOTsN)

361 I was sure he would outlive all of us.

I was too, honestly. I really thought he'd just always be there, somehow.

Now what are we going to do?
Go back to Buzzion or Jeff Goldblum?

Well Keith Richards is still alive, somehow. For certain definitions of "alive." Maybe "Pickled" is a better term.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:02 PM (39g3+)

362 I never can be convinced that Cruz is any better on immigration than Rubio

Neither one really believes in turning the tide on this, they're both disqualified if that's your #1 issue.

So Cruz comes out in 2013 with a plan to let 99% of the illegals stay and wants to double work visas with Mexico, and supports birthright citizenship, but Rubio is the immigration squish?

I could support Cruz if he had the same paper trail of say a Jeff Sessions on this issue, but Ted Cruz was parroting all the same things the Gang of 8

Both of them are basically anchor babies of traveling migrants, so their worldview of this is not going to change. It's in their DNA

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:02 PM (6U2tl)

363 356: "Trump and Cruz. NY and TX. What a combo!"

Reminds me of those old Pace commercials.

"This picante sauce is made in New York City?"

"NEW YORK CITY!!??

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 04:02 PM (4nmNX)

364 >>>Wasn't she also all aboard the Crispy Creme train a little while ago?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:59 PM (4nmNX)<<<

Yeah. She sure is a stellar judge of Presidential candidates.

Posted by: the Guinness Guys at January 26, 2016 04:02 PM (H9MG5)

365 Democrat stronghold? Absolutely. Alexandria, VA. Bluer than shit. Disgustingly blue.
And not in the sticks at all. Just outside DC.

My street is a cul-de-sac so it's probably a pretty low priority, however, when I went to the City's website I was greeted with a message warning me to get my ass out there and clear the sidewalk or they're going to fine me $50.

We're fine, just getting a little tired of being cooped up, especially when I can see cars whizzing along on dry pavement just over my back fence.

Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 04:03 PM (e3bId)

366 Ya know the way some people here go after successfull people like Trump and Cruz's wife, the only people good enough to run would be a 5 year old virgin with no pimples.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 04:03 PM (kzdjp)

367 For me it's Cruz or watch it burn. I'm not voting for that babbling fucking Trumpanzee, not for any reason.

Posted by: Mike at January 26, 2016 04:03 PM (I2Jm/)

368

do I vote for a guy who moved the Overton Window on immigration?

or reject him because a local government declared some blighted crack house blighted

so hard

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 04:03 PM (zOTsN)

369 So, the idiot republicans nominate rubio, sanders takes a stroll in Ft. Marcy Park, hellary finally gets indicked, and biden steps in. And he gets 'elected'. And ubama sticks around to 'help' him run America the rest of the way in the grave. That about cover it?

Posted by: Eromero at January 26, 2016 04:03 PM (b+df9)

370

@337:

The fact that Trump has no policy voting record is a major BONUS with Trump.
He'll be impossible to attack on that front.
Not so of the Demonrats.

Posted by: Trump Super Fan at January 26, 2016 04:03 PM (l2dSQ)

371 I would vote for Cruz with bells on.
I would vote for Rubio (over a Clinton or Sanders) with a closepin on my nose, nursing a deep hatred of the Establishment.

I would abstain from an election between Trump and Clinton, because I could not bear to pull the lever for either (a) the incarnation of evil, or (b) another malignant narcissit, unmoored by principle, indifferent to the Constutition and who consistently conducts himself at a level not only below the office of the President, but below the standards I would apply to hiring a guy in the mailroom.

That, and all right-thinking Americans should want to thank Megyn Kelly personally for being such an intelligent, graceful and professional representative of the center-right to the rest of the country, as opposed to lashing out at in the manner of a guy who got turned down asking her to the Prom.

Yes she is hot but that's not where I'm coming from. I just have a thing about losers who don't know how to treat women.

Oh, Cruz should pick Sheriff Clark as his running mate. Announce it midway through the primary process. A win for him and the future of the country. Imagine 8 years of Cruz followed by Clark (who at that point cannot be dismissed as a "local" politician).

Posted by: xnycpeasant at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (k8tEg)

372 Rubio would certainly not do amnesty in a first term as he would lose reelection.

With >11 million bright new voters?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (oVJmc)

373 Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:56 PM (kzdjp)

That depends. Some state laws grant private entities the power of eminent domain*, and this has been done for a long time. In the 19th century railroad acts were written to grant railroads this power. Some states have it for pipelines and power transmission lines - in those cases the utility usually goes to the state utility commission to have the plan approved and then they can use eminent domain. If private entities did not have this then governments would have to own transmission lines, pipelines, and other things of like nature.

Now, some states permit eminent domain if the property is determined to be "blighted" or for "economic improvement" which is a different thing altogether, and that will depend on the laws of the jurisdiction.

*They still have to go to court to get the seizure approved by a court, value set, etc. They can't just announce "You got 'til sundown to vacate the ranch or the bulldozers will run right over you! BWA-HA-HA!"

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! Temper Your Tantrum with Flammable Die-Grease! at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (hLRSq)

374 I never can be convinced that Cruz is any better on immigration than Rubio

Yeah I'm not 100% on that either. He's better in the sense that if he's for it, he's been a lot less obvious and vocal about it. But I get the sense that senor Cruz is at best indifferent toward immigration law.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (39g3+)

375 Imonna make a prediction. Hillary! will be indicted, and Joe Biden will run with Liawatha as his running mate.

*files nails*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (FsuaD)

376 I heard Rubio backed out of that bill. CASA is it? The college rapey thing?
Posted by: jewells45 at January 26, 2016 03:56 PM (l/N7H)

Not last I heard. He's doing the whole oh when I'm President I'll stop when the Education Department is doing.

YOU ARE A MOTHERFUCKING SENATOR. YOU CAN STOP IT RIGHT NOW! RIGHT. THIS. SECOND. BUT DO YOU? NO, YOU CO-SPONSOR SOMETHING THAT IMPLEMENTS OCR'S INTERPRETATION OF TITLE IX ARRRRGGGHHHH.

*Delegation Doctrine ragetwitch*

Not that. I have opinions about this. Or anything. koff

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (mf5HN)

377
And now entire cast of Barney Miller, like Bonanza and the Courtship of Eddie's Father, is dead.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (FqI4R)

378 Correction..."some" Mexican states already have the Dos por Uno program, and take 1/3 of remittances from other countries for infrastructure. Very little US taxes on these wires home

Maybe Sean Penn can wrangle some money out of the cartels.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (7lqMl)

379 ABE VIGODA IS DEAD!!!

And, Vic is still alive. How'd that happen?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (2x3L+)

380 I'm just in despair. I can't think of anyone more poised to lose than the electorate.

This country is done and was done 4 years ago. It's not coming back, because there is no one to win it back.

And no I won't vote for Rubio, or Trump or Cruz. I did for Romney because I still had hope for incremental swing to principle, and individual liberty. Have you seen what they teach the little ones these days? Try a quick tour on the Colonial Williamsburg youtube channel. Diversity and "change", that's it, that's all that's left.

What matters is gone. It's all gone.

Posted by: sarahw at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (3fTXW)

381 337 Trump talks.
He has no record of doing anything but working the system to get rich.
He promises all the fabulous shit and has no plan.
Everything will be fabulous and the best ever!
Even Oprah actually gave some cars away.
Posted by: Roland THTG at January 26, 2016 03:59 PM (QM5S2)

-The whole reason he's in the race is he has private sector successes under his belt.
-He has no record of doing anything but succeeding to 10 decimal places in business and entertainment, right.
-He promises concrete things linked together with an aspirational message.
-Unlike every other presidential candidate, who are all prophesying doom.
-And that Oprah point. Yeah man. How come no free shit, Donald? Look at Bernie's campaign. How are you going to bridge the free shit gap?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (xuouz)

382
@ #367:

Yeah, of course you're not going to vote for a run away winner! Why would you ever?

Posted by: Trump Super Fan at January 26, 2016 04:05 PM (l2dSQ)

383
Everyone on The Love Boat, Fantasy Island, and Different Strokes are dead, too.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:05 PM (FqI4R)

384 362 Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:02 PM (6U2tl)

This is why I do not favor Cruz. He has always talked a big firebrand conservative platform but his actual actions do not support it.

I do not like ANY of the candidates this year.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 04:05 PM (t2KH5)

385 People will certainly disagree with this, but I fear amnesty is more likely with Trump than Rubio. As people have said, Trump has F-U money. Rubio would certainly not do amnesty in a first term as he would lose reelection. But how can everyone be so certain that Trump wouldn't. He has F-U money.

Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 04:01 PM (gmeXX)

Rubio won't do it... Ryan will... Rubio would just SIGN it...

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 04:05 PM (f7rv6)

386 @375...yep. This is what I fear along with a done fall out event for ole Hilz, or her suddenly wanting to spend time with grand spawn.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 26, 2016 04:05 PM (7lqMl)

387 And now entire cast of Barney Miller, like Bonanza and the Courtship of Eddie's Father, is dead.

Hal Linden and Max Gail and Ron Glass are alive...

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 04:05 PM (oVJmc)

388 So, Barney Miller Marathon to show up on TV?

Seriously, we owe the guy a lot, memewise.

S'long Abe, RIP.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 04:05 PM (oFSUK)

389 That depends. Some state laws grant private entities the power of eminent domain*, and this has been done for a long time. In the 19th century railroad acts were written to grant railroads this power. Some states have it for pipelines and power transmission lines - in those cases the utility usually goes to the state utility commission to have the plan approved and then they can use eminent domain. If private entities did not have this then governments would have to own transmission lines, pipelines, and other things of like nature.

Now, some states permit eminent domain if the property is determined to be "blighted" or for "economic improvement" which is a different thing altogether, and that will depend on the laws of the jurisdiction.

*They still have to go to court to get the seizure approved by a court, value set, etc. They can't just announce "You got 'til sundown to vacate the ranch or the bulldozers will run right over you! BWA-HA-HA!"

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! Temper Your Tantrum with Flammable Die-Grease! at January 26, 2016 04

casinos are not utilities

those are all utilities

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 04:06 PM (zOTsN)

390 What matters is gone. It's all gone.
Posted by: sarahw at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (3fTXW)

We're still here. True wisdom is a personal endeavor. Put not your faith in princes.

The whole beauty of capitalism is it runs on its own. All we need to do is correct course and we won't be able to help but succeed.

Happy warriors!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 04:06 PM (xuouz)

391 And now entire cast of Barney Miller, like Bonanza and the Courtship of Eddie's Father, is dead.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (FqI4R)

Little Eddie is dead? Bill Bixby too?

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 04:07 PM (JO9+V)

392 Damn, Abe Vigoda is actually dead.

-
He sleeps with the fishes.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 26, 2016 04:07 PM (Nwg0u)

393
Hal Linden and Max Gail and Ron Glass are alive...

They're all dead, Dave.
Everyone's dead.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:07 PM (FqI4R)

394 or reject him because a local government declared some blighted crack house blighted

Sure, for you its not an issue. It might not be for a lot of voters. But it might be, depending on how its handled. The Democrats left a hanging curveball with Romney's Mormonism almost untouched in 2012, so you never know.

"You got 'til sundown to vacate the ranch or the bulldozers will run right over you! BWA-HA-HA!"

You left off the moustache twirling

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:08 PM (39g3+)

395
Eddie Munster is dead. The Hulk is dead. The reporter who hunted the Hulk is dead..

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:08 PM (FqI4R)

396 Rubio - still quite conservative, not as conservative as Cruz though

Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 03:27 PM (lVU49)

Rubio supports:

amnesty

destruction of Due process

common core.

In no way, shape, or form is this guy a Conservative,

on the upside,

he'll lie right to your face on his principles and how he will vote.

So, he's got that working for him.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 26, 2016 04:08 PM (0cMkb)

397 Jeff Goldblum must be getting nervous.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2016 04:08 PM (FsuaD)

398 these casinos were built lonnngggg before the advent of internet gambling

her house wasn't even worth 500k

she was offered 5 mill and turned it down

huge tragedy occurred

not

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:59 PM (zOTsN)

ThunderB... it was HER propoerty. Regardless of what you think of her neighborhood or her city, it was HER PROPERTY do do or not do with as she saw fit. Nor was she the only one various cities tried to seize property from at the behest of Donald Trump.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 04:09 PM (OrI3J)

399 This is awesome. The Robert Reich part of it especially.

http://bit.ly/1Nytxpx

Posted by: MTF at January 26, 2016 04:09 PM (TxJGV)

400 I'm sorry about Abe Vigoda being dead but I never watched a single show or movie he was ever in. I'm glad he died peacefully.

Posted by: Al Sharpton at January 26, 2016 04:09 PM (2x3L+)

401
Buffy, Jody, Mr French, and Uncle Bill...

all dead.

Sissy, still alive.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:09 PM (FqI4R)

402 377
And now entire cast of Barney Miller, like Bonanza and the Courtship of Eddie's Father, is dead.

Posted by: the guy who always...
----------------------
Wojohowitz I'd dead too? I did not know that.

L, you around? How you doing today?

Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 04:09 PM (I7I0v)

403 I'm really confused about the accusation that the plan to build a wall is so completely beyond the pale in cost that it shouldn't even be talked about, and furthermore is proof against Trumps capacity for rational thought.

Now, I don't even agree with the wall, but back of the envelope math seems actually better than I initially thought it would be. Roughly 2k miles along the border, 5k feet in a mile means the border is about 10 million feet long, within an order of magnitude. How expensive would a wall be per foot? $1000? That seems high to me, since it can't be that much harder than pouring concrete, but it's the government so I'll no doubt that they'd be inefficient. So the total price tag is $10 billion (within one significant figure). That's less than 1% of the federal budget, heck it's less than 1% of the federal deficit.

Doesn't sound so crazy when it's put that way. What am I missing?

Posted by: joe at January 26, 2016 04:09 PM (uDDku)

404 What about Dennis the Menace, Tommy and Margaret? Are they all dead too?

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 04:10 PM (JO9+V)

405 I have read from several cops and assorted law enforcement types that Barney Miller is hands down the most accurate cop show ever on TV.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:10 PM (39g3+)

406 Poor Abe. Fookin' tragedy that.

*lights another smoke and quaffs Jack Daniel's*

Posted by: Keith Richards at January 26, 2016 04:10 PM (RwwCT)

407 Entire cast of 'The Waltons' dead.

Posted by: Dead Red Will Geer at January 26, 2016 04:10 PM (UBS9M)

408 400
I'm sorry about Abe Vigoda being dead but I never watched a single show or movie he was ever in. I'm glad he died peacefully.

Posted by: Al Sharpton at January 26, 2016 04:09 PM (2x3L+)

You didn't watch The Godfather????

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 04:10 PM (t2KH5)

409 And, Vic is still alive. How'd that happen?

Methuselah gene?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 26, 2016 04:10 PM (4WhSY)

410 Dammit, off race-baiting sock

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 04:10 PM (2x3L+)

411 This is why I do not favor Cruz. He has always
talked a big firebrand conservative platform but his actual actions do
not support it.

I do not like ANY of the candidates this year.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 04:05 PM (t2KH5)

Any support for this statement?

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 04:11 PM (OrI3J)

412 Vicstole some of the life force out of Abe. Human blood no longer works for them.

Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 04:11 PM (+aCe4)

413 The Hulk is dead.

Lou Ferrigano is still alive and making movies (he's very active on Facebook too). Seems like a good guy.

I know Bixby died, but I don't know about the kid from Courtship. Always hated that show anyway.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:11 PM (39g3+)

414
The Nasty Trump Haters should ask themselves what Trump at 69 years of age has to gain by becoming president.
It's going to cost him money. Anyone who says otherwise is a FOOL.
It's not like Trump has many decades left in his life to expand an already magnificent empire.

The Nasty Trump Haters can't point to a single shred of evidence that The Don isn't motivated by love of country.

Moreover, the Nasty Trump Haters seem to hate winning.
Go figure.

Posted by: Trump Super Fan at January 26, 2016 04:11 PM (l2dSQ)

415 Beanie and Cecil - Dead.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 04:11 PM (JO9+V)

416 Any support for this statement?

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 04:11 PM (OrI3J)

Posted links, go find them.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 04:11 PM (t2KH5)

417 Whether the area was blighted or not, that lady still owned her home and should never have been put in danger of losing it to benefit another private citizen.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:54 PM (OrI3J)

------------------

I think this happens a lot more than people think. Using private citizens funds to clear away blighted or high-crime areas is an advantage to cities.

Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 04:11 PM (Fmupd)

418 Or people could just vote for who they like. But that would be silly.

Posted by: petunia at January 26, 2016 04:12 PM (VoCyE)

419 People will certainly disagree with this, but I fear amnesty is more likely with Trump than Rubio. As people have said, Trump has F-U money. Rubio would certainly not do amnesty in a first term as he would lose reelection. But how can everyone be so certain that Trump wouldn't. He has F-U money.

Posted by: SH

The people bankrolling the Establishment are for Open Borders, so anyone that depends on that money will have to play ball with them and do their bidding

Someone having F-U money is less likely to have to toe that line.

If Trump only does 10% of what he says he'll do on immigration, it will be the greatest turnaround this country will have seen since Reagan was President.

I could honestly see MILLIONS of illegals leaving the US from Trump just winning the Presidency without doing a single damn thing

FWIW, I live in Arizona, and Joe Arpaio has a HUGE effect psychologically on illegal immigration, they basically picked up their shit and went to greener pastures

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:12 PM (6U2tl)

420 Hal Linden and Max Gail and Ron Glass are alive...

Ron Glass - Shepherd Book

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 04:12 PM (Yzubb)

421 I'll vote for anyone against Hillary. ANYONE.

I realize that everyone's priorities are different, but I still can't understand those who say they prefer her to Trump or to any GOPer. Sanders I can see, but not Hillary.

Maybe in a sense she's right about all of her scandals being purely political. Does anyone really care about the criminal compromise of our security? the lifetime of rampant corruption? the 600 FBI files on her enemies? Benghazi? lying to the parents of the dead?

Evidently these things aren't really important to those who say they'll support her (either with a non-vote or 3rd party vote) over Trump or Cruz or Rubio or Heb!! or Daffy Duck.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 26, 2016 04:12 PM (T/5A0)

422
Maybe little Eddie is still alive; I dunno.

Let's just assume he's dead.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:12 PM (FqI4R)

423 If Rubio wins the White House, we'll have the same problem that we had with Bush/Rove.

The President, having always resided to the left of his publicly stated positions, wants to show bipartisan success.

A GOPe Congress, still on its spending bender, then enacts whatever half-assed leftwing idea Rubio comes up with next. "We gotta support our president" and all that . . .

No thanks.

Posted by: Furious George at January 26, 2016 04:12 PM (3GAnN)

424 Abe dead?
Well, that meme is shit to crap.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (ptqRm)

425 OK Yeah Brandon Cruz, the guy who played Eddie in Courtship... is still alive. Born in '62

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (39g3+)

426 409 And, Vic is still alive. How'd that happen?

Methuselah gene?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 26, 2016 04:10 PM (4WhSY)

Only the good die young....

and if so....

Vic.... is Casca Rufio Longinus?

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (f7rv6)

427 There's something else about Grannies crack house. In the years following the casinos coming to Atlantic City an unfathomable amount of money flowed into the area. Along with jobs, jobs, and more jobs.

My Dad had a piece of shit house within commuting distance of Atlantic City. He bought it for $10,000. At the height of the boom it was worth $300,000.

Why should some brain addled granny be allowed to turn down an offer of (at least) Ten Times fair market value and prevent the massive wealth creation that occurred?

I swear the socialist/capitalist meter has gone off the rails. Even here.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (fbovC)

428 >>> You didn't watch The Godfather????
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 04:10
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I did, but it's been a while. Who did Abe Vigoda play in the Godfather?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (2x3L+)

429
Heckle and Jeckyl?

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (FqI4R)

430 I don't give a damn if you are 99% in agreement with me. The most conservative politician that has ever existed. If you are for amnesty the. You are an oh hell no. Because then you are not in 99% agreement with me. You are in 0% agreement with me. Because the most important part of being an elected official is that you are supposed to represent me. And if you are supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants then that tells me you are more interested in representing foreigners than you are Americans. So fuck you and fuck the idiots that try to excuse and support you

Posted by: Buzzion at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (J8CgP)

431 Captain Chesapeake - dead

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (JO9+V)

432 375 Imonna make a prediction. Hillary! will be indicted, and Joe Biden will run with Liawatha as his running mate.

*files nails*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (FsuaD
----------------------------------------------------

Right. I've said something similar, except I think she is toast even if there is only a criminal referral to the Justice Department. Everyone (ie, even Democrats) know the Obama Justice Department is protecting Hillary so I don't think an indictment is necessary.

Posted by: MTF at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (TxJGV)

433 I still don't think enough Trump voters in Iowa are serious enough about him to go out in the cold to the caucus and go through that process. Maybe if it was a simple primary

Posted by: brak at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (xwPSp)

434 415 Beanie and Cecil - Dead.

Lambchop - Tasty.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 04:14 PM (Yzubb)

435 >> People will certainly disagree with this, but I fear amnesty
>> is more likely with Trump than Rubio. As people have said,
>> Trump has F-U money.

Yeah. We'd like to think independent wealth means the ability to stand up to opposition and do what one thinks is right.

That really worked great with Arnie out here in California. Fucking Austro-Kennedy bastard.

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2016 04:14 PM (o+SC1)

436 Doesn't sound so crazy when it's put that way. What am I missing?
Posted by: joe at January 26, 2016 04:09 PM (uDDku)

That the wall was required to be built via statutory mandates since 1986 (I think, I'm too energy efficient to go look) and Congress refuses to allocate any money to build it?

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 26, 2016 04:14 PM (mf5HN)

437 Maybe in a sense she's right about all of her scandals being purely political. Does anyone really care about the criminal compromise of our security? the lifetime of rampant corruption? the 600 FBI files on her enemies? Benghazi? lying to the parents of the dead?

In a sense they aren't political at all, since they do not seem to be harming her in any way. All her scores of scandals that should have put her in an orange jumpsuit do not seem to matter.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:14 PM (39g3+)

438 Deceased.

Posted by: Kills , Fran & Ollie at January 26, 2016 04:14 PM (UBS9M)

439 FWIW, I live in Arizona, and Joe Arpaio has a HUGE effect psychologically on illegal immigration, they basically picked up their shit and went to greener pastures

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:12 PM (6U2tl)

Yeah.... thanks.... they all came here to Central Calif...

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 04:14 PM (f7rv6)

440 Go ahead and go third party. That's fine by me.

Only if the go full luchador sp?

Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2016 04:14 PM (DL2i+)

441 @414
Since you offer lover of country as a pure conjectural let me offer something that I think is equally plausible: feeding the ego of a narcissist.
Does DT display narcissistic tendencies?
Does a bear get a hard on when he sees The Titanic?
Why on God's green earth would a narcissist seeking adulation want to speak before adulating fans, gaining more and more plaudits for telling them what they want to hear, with the possible downside of being voted to the most powerful office in the world?

You're right. It must be love of country.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at January 26, 2016 04:15 PM (k8tEg)

442 casinos are not utilities

those are all utilities

Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 04:06 PM (zOTsN)

So you missed this part?

"Now, some states permit eminent domain if the property is determined to be "blighted" or for "economic improvement" which is a different thing altogether, and that will depend on the laws of the jurisdiction."

I understand you do not like eminent domain laws written so that "blighted property" can be transferred to a developer for "economic improvement." However, some states have provisions for property to be transferred to a private developer for those reasons. Not all states permit that, but some do.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! Temper Your Tantrum with Flammable Die-Grease! at January 26, 2016 04:15 PM (hLRSq)

443
He played the fish in the scene with Luca Brasi's vest.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:15 PM (FqI4R)

444
Count @ #431

Captain Chesapeake's not dead! I just saw him last week on the Lafayette River.
He was crabbing.

Posted by: Trump Super Fan at January 26, 2016 04:16 PM (l2dSQ)

445 I'm really confused about the accusation that the plan to build a wall is so completely beyond the pale in cost that it shouldn't even be talked about, and furthermore is proof against Trumps capacity for rational thought.

Now, I don't even agree with the wall, but back of the envelope math seems actually better than I initially thought it would be. Roughly 2k miles along the border, 5k feet in a mile means the border is about 10 million feet long, within an order of magnitude. How expensive would a wall be per foot? $1000? That seems high to me, since it can't be that much harder than pouring concrete, but it's the government so I'll no doubt that they'd be inefficient. So the total price tag is $10 billion (within one significant figure). That's less than 1% of the federal budget, heck it's less than 1% of the federal deficit.

Doesn't sound so crazy when it's put that way. What am I missing?
Posted by: joe

___________

It would be about 90% less than we spent on the F-35 fighter jet program

think about how much safer our nation would be with a wall vs a stupid new fighter jet that nobody wants

A wall can easily be built, money is not the problem, it's people screaming RACISTS!!! and Chamber of Commerce Republicans afraid their slave labor won't be there anymore

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:16 PM (6U2tl)

446 Abe Vigoda's dead?

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 26, 2016 04:16 PM (Nwg0u)

447 Why should some brain addled granny be allowed to turn down an offer of (at least) Ten Times fair market value and prevent the massive wealth creation that occurred?
I swear the socialist/capitalist meter has gone off the rails. Even here.
Posted by: ugg boots at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (fbovC)

Don't go all "greater good" on me, come on. Because it's her house and she gets to decide what to do with it. The government should not be able to tell you what you may do with your property. It's obscene. Eminent domain is awful, and even if I accept it as a necessary evil I don't consider it all that necessary.

Yeah, she should have taken the 5 mil though. But that's her mistake to make.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 04:16 PM (xuouz)

448 Now, I don't even agree with the wall, but back of the envelope math seems actually better than I initially thought it would be. Roughly 2k miles along the border, 5k feet in a mile means the border is about 10 million feet long, within an order of magnitude. How expensive would a wall be per foot? $1000? That seems high to me, since it can't be that much harder than pouring concrete, but it's the government so I'll no doubt that they'd be inefficient. So the total price tag is $10 billion (within one significant figure). That's less than 1% of the federal budget, heck it's less than 1% of the federal deficit.

Doesn't sound so crazy when it's put that way. What am I missing?
Posted by: joe at January 26, 2016 04:09 PM (uDDku)

____

You're not missing anything. You analysis is very logical. Which is why the GOPe and the left (BTIGRM) are freaking out...the same people who think the $19 TRILLION debt is meh money.

But $10B on a border wall? That is just crazy.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:16 PM (0LHZx)

449 FWIW, I live in Arizona, and Joe Arpaio has a HUGE effect
psychologically on illegal immigration, they basically picked up their
shit and went to greener pastures

He raided one of my favorite restaurants, and the legals on staff suddenly became interested in getting citizenship.

They still hate him, despite the inspiration.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 26, 2016 04:16 PM (4WhSY)

450 I stole my comedy stylings from Abe Viagra. Get it ? LOL!

Posted by: Amy Schumer at January 26, 2016 04:16 PM (UBS9M)

451
Everyone on The Love Boat, Fantasy Island, and Different Strokes are dead, too.
......................

Not surprising what with all the bad cruise ship food, STD's and inner city violence.

Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 04:16 PM (HgMAr)

452 I think this happens a lot more than people think.
Using private citizens funds to clear away blighted or high-crime areas
is an advantage to cities.

Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 04:11 PM (Fmupd)

It may be a benefit to the private citizens who are using a government gun to force other private citizens to accept what they are willing to pay rather than the market value of the property. It is normally NOT a benefit in general to taxpaying citizens and it is definitely NOT a benefit for the property owners being forced out. Also worth noting, politicians can label any property blighted even if it is being used or lived in by the current owners and politicians WILL label any property blighted for the right pay off.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 04:17 PM (OrI3J)

453 433 I still don't think enough Trump voters in Iowa are serious enough about him to go out in the cold to the caucus and go through that process. Maybe if it was a simple primary
Posted by: brak at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (xwPSp)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=trump+rally+pictures

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 04:17 PM (xuouz)

454 Why should some brain addled granny be allowed to turn down an offer of (at least) Ten Times fair market value and prevent the massive wealth creation that occurred?

I swear the socialist/capitalist meter has gone off the rails. Even here.
Posted by: ugg boots
-------------------
Because Freedom, that's why, asshole.
FYNQ.

Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 04:17 PM (I7I0v)

455 Everyone (ie, even Democrats) know the Obama Justice Department is protecting Hillary so I don't think an indictment is necessary.

Lynch only takes a pass if the Clinton Global Initiative cuts a big check to OfA, or at least cuts it in for a sizeable percent of the take.

Otherwise, she goes down.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 04:18 PM (9krrF)

456 "You didn't watch The Godfather????"

You know, there are actual people who haven't seen the Godfather.

How they carry on a conversation in this day and age without having the reference information is beyond me, but they exist.

Everyone must think they're idiots when they give their blank stares.

Posted by: jwest at January 26, 2016 04:18 PM (Zs4uk)

457 Actually, the big hope is that Cruz pulls off an upset in Iowa and hopefully deflates Trump, showing that Trump isn't inevitable after all.

It's pretty telling that the people most enthusiastic about this oh-so-clever plan are people talking about how golly, they'd settle for the 'solidly conservative, just with some flaws' Rubio candidacy, but would never vote for Trump.

Vote Trump. Any other vote is a vote for Rubio.

Posted by: Crude at January 26, 2016 04:18 PM (DUynq)

458 All the actors from Room 222 are dead...

?

Posted by: Yip at January 26, 2016 04:18 PM (e7T6D)

459 >> But $10B on a border wall? That is just crazy.

We'll bid it at $9.35B.

Posted by: Lockheed Martin at January 26, 2016 04:18 PM (o+SC1)

460 Why should some brain addled granny be allowed to turn down an offer of (at least) Ten Times fair market value and prevent the massive wealth creation that occurred?

Because its her house. Hers. The right to property is enshrined in the constitution and was absolutely dear to the founding fathers. Just because you're rich and powerful does not at any point give you the right or power to simply take from everyone whatever you want, no matter who.

That has nothing to do with liberty, conservatism, the constitution, or the founding of this nation.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:18 PM (39g3+)

461 Why should some brain addled granny be allowed to turn down an offer of (at least) Ten Times fair market value and prevent the massive wealth creation that occurred?

They have a term for this in China: "nail houses". Google for pics sometime. The builders, they get creative.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 04:19 PM (9krrF)

462 428 I did, but it's been a while. Who did Abe Vigoda play in the Godfather?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (2x3L+)

He played Tessio.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 04:19 PM (t2KH5)

463
Let's just assume he's dead.
................

Better safe than sorry.

Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 04:19 PM (HgMAr)

464 Room 222 - All Dead. Even the white guy with the huge afro.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 04:19 PM (JO9+V)

465 --yet you fully expect someone like me to pull the lever for that lowlife sleazeball Trump should he win the nomination.

=====

there will always be someone who will not vote for another's candidate. pace.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 26, 2016 04:19 PM (Cq0oW)

466
FWIW, I live in Arizona, and Joe Arpaio has a HUGE effect psychologically on illegal immigration, they basically picked up their shit and went to greener pastures------Tobasco

Actually it was SB1070 that made them run for the hills.

Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 04:19 PM (m3iiU)

467 >> Because Freedom, that's why, asshole.

I believe it's called the Fourth Amendment.

Posted by: Lockheed Martin at January 26, 2016 04:19 PM (o+SC1)

468 Am I dead? Does anyone know my name?

Posted by: Paper Chase Guy at January 26, 2016 04:19 PM (RwwCT)

469

George, Weezy, Bentley, Honky, and Honky's wife, all dead.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:19 PM (FqI4R)

470 Going to a rally is different than sitting in a room full of your neighbors and going through rounds of votes. Could be wrong, we'll see.

Posted by: brak at January 26, 2016 04:20 PM (xwPSp)

471 Hi nice guy, Chi. Thanks for asking. Better than yesterday except I slept through an important call because of this terrible insomnia that is just wrecking my brain and ruining my memory. Someone on the ONT, (Sal, I think?) recommended essential oils as a treatment for insomnia after I left.

What is that? Is that for real?

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 04:20 PM (2x3L+)

472 Concerning poor old granny who turned down five mil for her shack. One of the best pieces of advice I ever got before I built a house was to go down to the city manager's office and ask to look at future/considered zoning and government land purchases. Don't build in those areas.

Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 04:20 PM (Fmupd)

473 433 I still don't think enough Trump voters in Iowa are serious enough about him to go out in the cold to the caucus and go through that process. Maybe if it was a simple primary
Posted by: brak at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (xwPSp)

_____

FFS it's not like the caucuses are in the middle of the woods at 2am. People will get in their warm cars and drive to a warm school or community center. And you know what people in Iowa are used to in winter? Cold. Jezuz the anti-Trump hysteria has reached a new phase I guess. Next up, nobody in Florida will vote for him cuz you know, heat.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:20 PM (0LHZx)

474 unsock post, please ignore

Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2016 04:20 PM (o+SC1)

475 "119
I dont think it would necessarily help Marco Rubio. Governor Kasich is
polling stronger in New Hampshire and Governor Bush is leading Senator
Rubio in South Carolina according to the latest Augusta Chronicle poll. I
dont see why Rubio is always treated as the leading mainstream
Republican candidate.

Posted by: Begonia at January 26, 2016 03:24 PM (tAngI)"

Because he ran for the Senate as a Tea Party candidate and his very first act as a Senator was to join with Chuck Schumer to sponsor an amnesty bill which his former supporters took as a betrayal, a poke in they eye and a demonstration that they had been fooled.

You know the saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."? That is the dominant attitude among people who have been paying attention to politics.

There is something similar with John Kasich who voted for Bill Clinton's assault weapon ban. Maybe the 2nd Amendment is not your issue. However, it is for me and a lot of other people. I will never forget Kasich's vote and I will never forgive him for it. To the best of my knowledge, Bernie Sanders never cast a vote like John Kasich. If it comes down to the two of them, that is the issue I will vote on.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 04:20 PM (QHgTq)

476 When was the last time the GOP leadership was so blatantly at war with its base and the two leaders in the polls?
People accuse Trump of being a Clinton proxy. Hell with that, the Clinton proxies are all collecting paychecks from the RNC.

Posted by: changes at January 26, 2016 04:20 PM (mgl7C)

477 The only way to ensure that Rubio doesn't come in your mouth is to not let him put his cock in it.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 04:20 PM (oVJmc)

478 Wouldn't the wall require ED in order for it to be complete?

Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early at January 26, 2016 04:20 PM (RdP/w)

479 Wot no flaming Abe?
We owe Abe Vigoda a post, and a respectful one at that.
Moron-respectful, anyway. He's had quite a career here.
I wonder if his family knows about that.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 26, 2016 04:20 PM (xq1UY)

480 So, a second look at General Zod?? His platform is remarkably consistent.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (8txLu)

481 What would make you accept that he (Trump) doesn't want to harm the nation, or
isn't only in it for himself, but thinks he can make America a better
place?(sic)

Stick him in a time machine and send him back to 1980 and have him relive his life. He's been "conservative" for 6 opportunistic months. Before that a lifetime of progressive "values".

"Honestly baby, those 47 other women meant nothing to me. I can change!"

Posted by: Weirddave at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (N8hFs)

482 We all fouled out.

Posted by: The White Shadow at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (UBS9M)

483 Off topic: I just took a new job with a 45 minute commute and I need a good podcast for the drive home. I've already caught up on the AOSHQ podcast and I need something else. Anyone have a good suggestion? Thanks.

Posted by: DanInMN at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (h5ffp)

484 And now entire cast of Barney Miller, like Bonanza and the Courtship of Eddie's Father, is dead.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:04 PM (FqI4R)

Someone needs to tell Hal Linden he should be dead

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (493sH)

485
Am I dead? Does anyone know my name?

Posted by: Paper Chase Guy

Yes and No. but you were great on Black Sheep Squadron!

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (FqI4R)

486 Rubio's co-sponsorship of CASA is beyond the pale for me.

I may, may vote for him in the general but not in the primary.

If you cannot stand up for due process, and, in fact, co-sponsor a bill that spits in the face of it, then, no, I will not support you for anything other than game theory reasons.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 26, 2016 03:44 PM (mf5HN)

My queen, it's as if Rubio's people scoured the conservative Internet and stuff, identify what conservatives are most agitated against, and then work to thwart what conservatives want. Because I don't see how, after covering himself in fecal glory with the gang of eight thing , he would then cosponsor a bill that deprives college men of their due process. Has he been living under a rock?

My conclusion is that he's none too bright and easily led.

Posted by: chique testing testing at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (QlyN5)

487 Holy shit! Abe Vigoda died.

(Sorry, been busy today)

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (LA7Cm)

488 472 Concerning poor old granny who turned down five mil for her shack. One of the best pieces of advice I ever got before I built a house was to go down to the city manager's office and ask to look at future/considered zoning and government land purchases. Don't build in those areas.
Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 04:20 PM (Fmupd)

______

Yep. And also never buy the house on the edge of a subdivision. You never know what will be built across the street.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (0LHZx)

489 Well I'm going to go fix supper.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (t2KH5)

490 I swear the socialist/capitalist meter has gone off the rails. Even here.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 26, 2016 04:13 PM (fbovC)

How is it capitalist to use the government to steal other people's property?

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (OrI3J)

491 I stole my comedy stylings from Abe Viagra. Get it ? LOL!
Posted by: Amy Schumer

-
We need socialized comedy in this country, anyway. Everybody should get the same laughs in life whether you're Jeff Dunham or Lena Dunham.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 26, 2016 04:22 PM (Nwg0u)

492 He raided one of my favorite restaurants, and the legals on staff suddenly became interested in getting citizenship.

They still hate him, despite the inspiration.
Posted by: Blanco Basura

On that note, I love that the concept of a government official asking for documentation on suspected businesses that are hiring illegals is considered Nazi fascist, but a health inspector doing a surprise visit is considered the greatest act of love ever

What do you think is more dangerous to the public, tens of millions of illegal aliens that could be criminals or someone getting the shits?

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:22 PM (6U2tl)

493 Adam Carolla podcast. It's about 1:30 so perfect for 2 45 minute drives

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:22 PM (0LHZx)

494 Room 222 - All Dead. Even the white guy with the huge afro.
Posted by: Count de Monet

No shit? Wow.

Family Affair - 3 out of 5 dead. Brian Keith, Sebastian Cabot, and Anissa Jones, (Buffy).

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 04:22 PM (Yzubb)

495 Petticoat Junction and Green Acres - No Alive Here.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 04:22 PM (JO9+V)

496 I want to note that some candidate - who will remain nameless - followed the provisions of a state law. I do not approve of that state law.

That is all.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! Temper Your Tantrum with Flammable Die-Grease! at January 26, 2016 04:22 PM (hLRSq)

497 Why should some brain addled granny be allowed to turn down an offer of (at least) Ten Times fair market value and prevent the massive wealth creation that occurred?

I swear the socialist/capitalist meter has gone off the rails. Even here.

Property rights are a foundation of capitalism and free markets.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at January 26, 2016 04:23 PM (yq2eR)

498 I don't see how, after covering himself in fecal glory with the gang of eight thing , he would then cosponsor a bill that deprives college men of their due process.

There are aspects of the bill that are good, just not the whole package. My guess is he didn't see them all or was too busy campaigning and let some staffer "inform" him.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:23 PM (39g3+)

499

Troy @ #293:

You have no idea how much credibility you lose hurling ugly and unjustified names at a decent human being like Donald Trump.

"Lowlife scum" says NOTHING about Donald Trump - but it says everything about YOU.

Posted by: Trump Super Fan at January 26, 2016 04:23 PM (l2dSQ)

500 My conclusion is that he's none too bright and easily led.

Posted by: chique testing testing at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (QlyN5)

This. Rubio is a dim-bulb pretty(ish) boy.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 04:23 PM (OrI3J)

501 Rapeugee pulling up his pants after he had a shit on the Metro in Germany!

https://goo.gl/0Tkwoc

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 04:23 PM (iQIUe)

502 So the total price tag is $10 billion (within one significant figure). That's less than 1% of the federal budget, heck it's less than 1% of the federal deficit.

Doesn't sound so crazy when it's put that way. What am I missing?
Posted by: joe

___________

It would be about 90% less than we spent on the F-35 fighter jet program

think about how much safer our nation would be with a wall vs a stupid new fighter jet that nobody wants

A wall can easily be built, money is not the problem, it's people screaming RACISTS!!! and Chamber of Commerce Republicans afraid their slave labor won't be there anymore

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:16 PM (6U2tl)

And at 15K per year for education... just keeping out 666 Thousand illegal children... for ONE YEAR... is more...

Hell.... if you figure even 5 years of public education average per illegal child, or the children BORN here of illegals... that the same as only 133,000 ...

This YEAR we have 120,00 UNACCOMPANIED illegal immigrant kids coming...

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 04:24 PM (f7rv6)

503 483 Off topic: I just took a new job with a 45 minute commute and I need a good podcast for the drive home. I've already caught up on the AOSHQ podcast and I need something else. Anyone have a good suggestion? Thanks.
Posted by: DanInMN at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (h5ffp)

Bill Burr is mindless but hilarious, and fits the horde lifestyle 110% (except for the exercise)
Simon Black's is alright if you want some of the specifics of how the banking system is a massive scam.
Never, ever listen to the comedy button, or most comedy podcasts.
That's all I got. Everything else I've ever tried was leftist drivel.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 04:24 PM (xuouz)

504 FWIW, I live in Arizona, and Joe Arpaio has a HUGE effect psychologically on illegal immigration, they basically picked up their shit and went to greener pastures------Tobasco

Actually it was SB1070 that made them run for the hills.
Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale

It was all of the above, but Arpaio is definitely a feared figure which is why Democrats and Establishment Republicans try to take him out every election cycle

Instead, he probably has the highest crossover appeal of ANY statewide figure.

LOTS of Democrats are voting for Joe Arpaio, far more than open border Republican candidates

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:24 PM (6U2tl)

505 Someone needs to tell Hal Linden he should be dead

-
Is he still on the late, great planet Earth?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 26, 2016 04:24 PM (Nwg0u)

506 I want to note that some candidate - who will remain
nameless - followed the provisions of a state law. I do not approve of
that state law.

That is all.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! Temper Your Tantrum
with Flammable Die-Grease! at January 26, 2016 04:22 PM (hLRSq)

Even if the government legalizes theft, it is still wrong to steal.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 04:25 PM (OrI3J)

507 Trump wall will be built..... on the Mexican side of the border..!! They pay for it.. it should be on their land. ergo.... no emminete' el-domaindio

O'lay!

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 04:25 PM (e7T6D)

508 Thanks Vic. Now I remember him. I need to watch that again except I kind of hate it. It's so dark. I liked the second one better bc it's even darker. I shouldn't watch any of those kind of movies.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 04:25 PM (2x3L+)

509 We're all dead. Even Frank Zappa's dad.

Posted by: Captain Kangaroo at January 26, 2016 04:25 PM (UBS9M)

510
Everyone on Battlestar Galactica and the A-Team are all dead.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:25 PM (FqI4R)

511 How do you bitches like getting high-grounded by a TRUMP SUPER FAN

Everybody buckle up for the balance of 2016. God damn it's gonna get weedy.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 04:26 PM (xuouz)

512 Heard Bob Newhart on the radio and he mentioned all the actors from his shows who are dead, too.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 04:26 PM (iQIUe)

513 Stick him in a time machine and send him back to 1980 and have him relive his life. He's been "conservative" for 6 opportunistic months. Before that a lifetime of progressive "values".

"Honestly baby, those 47 other women meant nothing to me. I can change!"
Posted by: Weirddave at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (N8hFs)

I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

If you I believe that Trump loves America and wants to make her great again? Sure. Do I believe that he is a conservative and is dedicated to upholding the Constitution? No, because I have eyes ears and a brain. Will I vote for him if it comes down to him and the unindicted felon Hillary Clinton? Hell, yes.

Posted by: chique testing testing at January 26, 2016 04:26 PM (QlyN5)

514 Dan @ 483
Check out Cochran & ATC's podcast - they have a lot of fun, you can tell.
Should be a new one up today. Will probably get a mention/link in the ONT if it hasn't been mentioned here or in the sidebar.
If you're a regular lurker, look for any comment from BCochran, and his link will take you where you want to be.

If you can't find it, say so, and I'll find you a link.

Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 04:26 PM (I7I0v)

515
Bruce Jenner. Dead.

His corpse is still around though. Looks hideous.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:26 PM (FqI4R)

516 Dems want votes, GOPe wants slave labor. Even if the wall cost $0 they'd be freaking out over it.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:26 PM (0LHZx)

517 Looking at pics of Abe Vigoda. He was kinda cute for a grandpa type. He looks happy in all the pics.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 04:26 PM (2x3L+)

518 509 We're all dead. Even Frank Zappa's dad.
Posted by: Captain Kangaroo at January 26, 2016 04:25 PM (UBS9M)

What about Dweezil and Moon Unit?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 04:27 PM (xuouz)

519 Questioning if he'll actually win Iowa apparently is too much for the Trump true believers, ok then.

Posted by: brak at January 26, 2016 04:27 PM (xwPSp)

520
Petticoat Junction and Green Acres - No Alive Here.
Posted by: Count de Monet
...................

Arnold Ziffel is dead?

Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 04:28 PM (HgMAr)

521 510
Everyone on Battlestar Galactica and the A-Team are all dead.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:25 PM (FqI4R)

Pity the fool who thinks Mr. T is dead.

Posted by: jwb7605 at January 26, 2016 04:28 PM (DofIg)

522 *coughs nervously*

*looks at watch, hoping nobody notices*

*shuffles*

Posted by: Bob Newhart at January 26, 2016 04:28 PM (RwwCT)

523 Car 54 Where are You... all dead

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 04:28 PM (e7T6D)

524 Is he still on the late, great planet Earth?

No, no that's LINDSEY

Only in America would a wall like that cost billions. Holy cost overruns.

I think a wall is completely the wrong direction to go, but at least it would demonstrate the willingness to act against illegal immigration.

Illegals will deport themselves if they can't get work, welfare, and freebies. Just threatening greater immigration drove them out of Arizona like rats off a sinking ship.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:28 PM (39g3+)

525 Just threatening greater immigration ... enforcement. Should say enforcement there. :/

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:29 PM (39g3+)

526 Barzini is dead. So is Phillip Tattaglia, Moe Green, Stracci, Cunio.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 04:29 PM (oVJmc)

527
...finally, we can bring them to terms, and tell them how it's going to be going forward...

DEATH. OR UNGA BUNGA!

Posted by: Up the establishment at January 26, 2016 04:29 PM (q4hvt)

528 519 Questioning if he'll actually win Iowa apparently is too much for the Trump true believers, ok then.
Posted by: brak at January 26, 2016 04:27 PM (xwPSp)

No questioning the LandBaron, loser! You're terrible, awful. Not great! Not a winner!

*Moves lips all around face. Raises eyebrows*

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 04:29 PM (xuouz)

529 Dems want votes, GOPe wants slave labor. Even if the wall cost $0 they'd be freaking out over it.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo

I would gladly have my taxes raised to pay for a wall if that's truly the only stumbling block.

We certainly don't need to do that, but you could take $5 out of everyone's paycheck and probably have the thing fully funded in under 12 months.

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:29 PM (6U2tl)

530 Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 04:25 PM (OrI3J)

You don't like eminent domain.

It isn't legally theft, but you do not believe that it is morally correct. We'll just have to leave it at this summing:
You consider this to be a big deal.
I do not consider this to be a big deal.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Exclusive! Temper Your Tantrum with Flammable Die-Grease! at January 26, 2016 04:29 PM (hLRSq)

531 Doesn't sound so crazy when it's put that way. What am I missing?
Posted by: joe at January 26, 2016 04:09 PM (uDDku)

====
This article has some info:

http://abc13.com/politics/completing-us-mexico-border-wall-would-be-daunting-task/1143302/

It estimates $10 billion for the materials only, so that doesn't include labor or the costs of condemning an buying the land. For example, to build the existing 100 miles of wall in TX, they had to sue and compensate 400 landowners. Many landowners protested in court and got more $ than originally offered. The TX border is 1000 miles long and most is private land, so that's thousands more suits for condemnations.

BTW, use of eminent domain for this public use is constitutional. Kelo is not.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 04:30 PM (CoX6k)

532 "448
Now, I don't even agree with the wall, but back of the envelope math
seems actually better than I initially thought it would be. Roughly 2k
miles along the border, 5k feet in a mile means the border is about 10
million feet long, within an order of magnitude. How expensive would a
wall be per foot? $1000? That seems high to me, since it can't be that
much harder than pouring concrete, but it's the government so I'll no
doubt that they'd be inefficient. So the total price tag is $10 billion
(within one significant figure). That's less than 1% of the federal
budget, heck it's less than 1% of the federal deficit.

Doesn't sound so crazy when it's put that way. What am I missing?

Posted by: joe at January 26, 2016 04:09 PM (uDDku)

____

You're not missing anything. You analysis is very logical. Which is
why the GOPe and the left (BTIGRM) are freaking out...the same people
who think the $19 TRILLION debt is meh money.

But $10B on a border wall? That is just crazy.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:16 PM (0LHZx)"

Now figure on building it like the Berlin Wall, L shaped sections made of reinforced concrete lifted into place with a crane off of flat bed trucks. Those sections can be made anywhere and trucked to the border. In other words, every Congressional district can potentially get a contract to cast these concrete sections of wall.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 04:30 PM (QHgTq)

533 So no Abe Vigoda post, huh, Ace?
Maetenloch will surely cover his passing away on the ONT.

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 04:30 PM (2x3L+)

534 >>>Off topic: I just took a new job with a 45 minute commute and I need a good podcast for the drive home. I've already caught up on the AOSHQ podcast and I need something else. Anyone have a good suggestion? Thanks.
Posted by: DanInMN at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (h5ffp)

Hardcore history. 4 hours long and months apart but very interesting. I also like the history of Rome and the British history podcasts.

Posted by: Lea at January 26, 2016 04:30 PM (vmMMi)

535 DEATH. OR UNGA BUNGA!
Posted by: Up the establishment at January 26, 2016 04:29 PM (q4hvt)

I know this one! I know this one!

Death BY unga bunga! Haha!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 04:30 PM (xuouz)

536 There's a documentary about Don Rickles (hilarious) on Netflix where he shows a wall of pictures with friends and he goes down them: dead, dead, dead, dead... dying... dead...

Its kind of sad but what can you do? I fear Bob Newhart isn't long for this world, he looks like hell.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:30 PM (39g3+)

537 Lost In Space - All Lost

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 04:30 PM (JO9+V)

538 How is it capitalist to use the government to steal other people's property?

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (OrI3J)

If your definition of 'stealing' is offering someone 10X fair market value, then I would love for someone to 'steal' my house. I could use another nine million dollars. And change.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 26, 2016 04:30 PM (fbovC)

539 What do you think is more dangerous to the public, tens of millions of
illegal aliens that could be criminals or someone getting the shits?

I'm kinda concerned about the TB, Hep-C, Typhoid, and other fun diseases they could be coughing into the food.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 26, 2016 04:31 PM (4WhSY)

540
There was a false rumor going around that the Green Acres cast had a luau on the final day of filming and ate Arnold the Pig.
Arnold Ziffel is still alive?

Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 04:31 PM (HgMAr)

541 It's wild seeing posters here supporting Trump so un critically. He is, after all, the same guy who said last week he wants to expand ObamaCare and is today calling Nancy Pelosi a great buddy of his.

He says he is anti-immigration, and on that one issue all of you are riding along with him.

Posted by: MTF at January 26, 2016 04:31 PM (TxJGV)

542 a Republican Senator soft on immigration

Dude, you just referred to a weasel that said one thing in one language and quite another is a different language as being 'soft'.

There's another difference between Arnold and Rubio; Arnold wanted to be a general. Rubio whines about being a senator.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 26, 2016 04:31 PM (326rv)

543 We're either dead or getting a reverse mortgage.

Posted by: Happy Days at January 26, 2016 04:32 PM (UBS9M)

544 DaninMN, I don't know if this will appeal to you, but I listen to a podcast called the great detectives of old time radio. If you like old school radio stuff and detective stories, it's really great. There's a new podcast every day from Monday to Saturday, and he has some app extras each month. He does a great job of providing information about the old radio shows and actors. It really is a wonderful podcast if you're into that kind of thing.

Posted by: chique testing testing at January 26, 2016 04:32 PM (QlyN5)

545 Dems want votes, GOPe wants slave labor. Even if the wall cost $0 they'd be freaking out over it.

And that's ultimately what it comes down to. Both parties want illegal immigration, so we get illegal immigration. It doesn't matter who wins, that's what we get.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:32 PM (39g3+)

546 437 ---Christopher Taylor---

What I mean is that apparently a lot of conservatives don't REALLY care about the substance and gravity of Hillary's deeds. They're just enjoying the attack on a political opponent.

If they took the crimes seriously, they would not even consider supporting her (one way or another) in the general election. IMO.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 26, 2016 04:33 PM (T/5A0)

547 There's another difference between Arnold and Rubio; Arnold wanted to be a general. Rubio whines about being a senator.

Arnold is a General in some ad for a game.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 04:33 PM (JO9+V)

548
Illegals will deport themselves if they can't get work, welfare, and freebies. Just threatening greater immigration drove them out of Arizona like rats off a sinking ship.-----Christopher Taylor

When SB 1070 passed I saw many a vehicle stuffed to the gills with furniture etc. heading to Tuscon, a sanctuary city, or CA.
Gave me a warm fuzzy.

Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 04:33 PM (uhftQ)

549 Henry Hill is dead. He as a raging alke and hung out at the beach with the other alkies. Some guy interviewed him and put it on the internet. His bitch wife demanded that it be taken down? Why? Because it would ruin his reputation? LOL

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 04:33 PM (iQIUe)

550
Andy, Barney, Opie, Otis, Floyd, Howard, Aunt Bee, Gomer, and Goober, all dead.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:33 PM (FqI4R)

551 He says he is anti-immigration, and on that one issue all of you are riding along with him.

Posted by: MTF

I'm not "riding along", but he's the one that started to say something other than FU to the party whose nomination he's seeking.

he's a symptom of how screwed up and over we are.

Posted by: Blue Hen at January 26, 2016 04:34 PM (326rv)

552

MTF @ #541

I've only heard Trump bash the obvious debacle that is Obamacare. Even Hillary only tepidly defends it.

Respectfully, do you mind giving a link and some context for your claim that The Don wants to expand Obamacare?
Thanks.

Posted by: Trump Super Fan at January 26, 2016 04:34 PM (l2dSQ)

553 >>>> >Off topic: I just took a new job with a 45 minute commute and I need a good podcast for the drive home. I've already caught up on the AOSHQ podcast and I need something else. Anyone have a good suggestion? Thanks.
Posted by: DanInMN at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (h5ffp)
-----
Anthony Cumia, Adam Carolla, Ron Bennington, and reluctantly Opie and Jim Norton (they suck, but they're funny).

Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 04:34 PM (2x3L+)

554 541 It's wild seeing posters here supporting Trump so un critically. He is, after all, the same guy who said last week he wants to expand ObamaCare and is today calling Nancy Pelosi a great buddy of his.
He says he is anti-immigration, and on that one issue all of you are riding along with him.
Posted by: MTF at January 26, 2016 04:31 PM (TxJGV)

It's wild seeing people not reading what ace has to say. He's an instrument of punishment for our true enemies, the traitors who said they'd fight for us. And I'm not uncritical. I'm just invisible when I'm criticizing Trump. I do it every day.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 04:35 PM (xuouz)

555

Jethro is still alive.

Jed, Granny, Ellie Mae, Granny, Miss Hathaway, and Mr and Mrs Drysdale, all dead.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:35 PM (FqI4R)

556 Andy, Barney, Opie, Otis, Floyd, Howard, Aunt Bee, Gomer, and Goober, all dead.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:33 PM (FqI4R)

Thelma Lou too?

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 04:35 PM (JO9+V)

557 537 Lost In Space - All Lost

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 04:30 PM (JO9+V)

Nope.... just became an Alien... you can find me on Babylon 5

Posted by: Billy Mumy at January 26, 2016 04:35 PM (f7rv6)

558 http://www.dumpaday.com/funny-pictures/
top-15-motivational-posters-for-anti-social-people/

Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2016 04:35 PM (DL2i+)

559 Gilligan's Island - No Survivors

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 04:36 PM (JO9+V)

560 GOPe Delende est

Posted by: Phil Hartmark at January 26, 2016 04:36 PM (zv81W)

561 When SB 1070 passed I saw many a vehicle stuffed to the gills with furniture etc. heading to Tuscon, a sanctuary city, or CA.
Gave me a warm fuzzy.

It was a beautiful sight to behold.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 26, 2016 04:36 PM (4WhSY)

562 If your definition of 'stealing' is offering someone 10X fair market value, then I would love for someone to 'steal' my house.

No, its taking the house anyway when the offer is rejected where the stealing takes place. As I'm absolutely sure you know and understand without having to be told.

Some guy could offer you five billion dollars for your kid and that doesn't make it okay when he kidnaps them later because you would rather have your child than money.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:37 PM (39g3+)

563
Actually, I think Thelma Lou is still alive.

But the other one, Andy's squeeze, is dead, I think. The teacher??

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:37 PM (FqI4R)

564 Some guy could offer you five billion dollars for your kid and that doesn't make it okay when he kidnaps them later because you would rather have your child than money.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 04:37 PM (39g3+)

The analogy.

...it's beautiful.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 04:37 PM (xuouz)

565 "529
Dems want votes, GOPe wants slave labor. Even if the wall cost $0 they'd be freaking out over it.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo

I would gladly have my taxes raised to pay for a wall if that's truly the only stumbling block.

We certainly don't need to do that, but you could take $5 out of
everyone's paycheck and probably have the thing fully funded in under 12
months.

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:29 PM (6U2tl)"

I think that a wall could probably be built with private contributions if the government did not prohibit it or allow it to be tied up in court forever.

Actually, I bet you could find landowners who would agree to have a section of wall built along their property. It would funnel illegal border crossers onto the property of those who would not agree to a section of fence. That dynamic would tend to encourage others to have a wall built across their property.

In addition to cutting down on the crowds crossing the property, a concrete wall is likely to keep the cattle in better than barbed wire.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 04:37 PM (QHgTq)

566 Cancelled.

Posted by: Hogan's Heroes at January 26, 2016 04:37 PM (UBS9M)

567 Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 04:35 PM (xuouz)

Yup.... Trump is SMOD... on a collision course with Washington DC...

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 04:38 PM (f7rv6)

568 Off topic: I just took a new job with a 45 minute commute and I need a good podcast for the drive home. I've already caught up on the AOSHQ podcast and I need something else. Anyone have a good suggestion? Thanks.
Posted by: DanInMN at January 26, 2016 04:21 PM (h5ffp)

AHEM!

AHEM!

AHEM!

Why, yes, yes, I do. See link of pimpage in my nic.

Though it's me and BC so it's All The Swears. All of them. Then we go off and find some more and use those.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 26, 2016 04:38 PM (mf5HN)

569
nood Amy Schumer

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:38 PM (FqI4R)

570 nood stomped nood.

we're in a funhouse blog today

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 04:38 PM (xuouz)

571 Dawn Wells is still alive.

Posted by: Phil Hartmark at January 26, 2016 04:38 PM (zv81W)

572 Meanwhile in Kentucky,

The GOPe is backing Cruz to get to Trump.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jesv988

Posted by: Asparagus Tuteme Ex Infernis at January 26, 2016 04:38 PM (I2mF+)

573 Actually, I think Thelma Lou is still alive.

But the other one, Andy's squeeze, is dead, I think. The teacher??

Yes, Betty Lynn, still alive at 89.
Aneta Corsault died in '95.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 04:38 PM (oVJmc)

574 Trump Super Fan,
You used to post as "Dave" didn't you?

Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 04:39 PM (I7I0v)

575 I cannot get bent about Eminent Domain. The whole anti-domain thing feeds the noble savage thing.... we stole from the Indians, etc. BS. Manhattan is much more luxurious since the Dutch traded beads and a cow for it.

Think of the Erie canal and how awesome that turned out? I'm sick and tired of all the anti-ED drug ads on TV!

Some good stuff has got to get built. Sometimes that means some folks gotta sell or git what's comin' to 'em. Trump Steaks.

Posted by: Erratic Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 04:39 PM (e7T6D)

576 Deja nood all over again.

Posted by: zombie Yogi Berra at January 26, 2016 04:39 PM (H9MG5)

577 I would gladly have my taxes raised to pay for a wall if that's truly the only stumbling block.

We certainly don't need to do that, but you could take $5 out of everyone's paycheck and probably have the thing fully funded in under 12 months.

80% tax on the billions of dollars in remittances headed south.
The wall funds itself.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 04:39 PM (Yzubb)

578 casinos are not utilities

Increase the tax base <> provide for the general welfare except SCOTUS.

Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2016 04:39 PM (DL2i+)

579 Eminent domain is in the Constitution, it's always been legal, it was there to protect property owners from the government seizing something without fair payment

The Kelo decision was wrong, but the lesson there is elections have consequences and you need to be careful who you elect to make those decisions. The SC deferred to the local government to decide when something benefits the public good

There's plenty I disagree with on Trump, but this is way at the bottom as far as what I fear

I don't think President Trump is going to take away grandma's house (after generously overpaying for it) so he can build a shopping center

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:40 PM (6U2tl)

580
Italy dreads looming invasion of 400,000 new immigrants 'in coming weeks'
....................

Italy. Dead.

Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 04:40 PM (HgMAr)

581 *strawmen spontaneously combusting in thread*

Oh, the humanity.

Posted by: ugg boots at January 26, 2016 04:40 PM (fbovC)

582 "556
Andy, Barney, Opie, Otis, Floyd, Howard, Aunt Bee, Gomer, and Goober, all dead.

Posted by: the guy who always divides people into types at January 26, 2016 04:33 PM (FqI4R)

Thelma Lou too?

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 04:35 PM (JO9+V)"

When did Opie die?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 04:40 PM (QHgTq)

583 The Magnificent Seven -- dead.

Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 04:42 PM (Fmupd)

584 "580

Italy dreads looming invasion of 400,000 new immigrants 'in coming weeks'
....................

Italy. Dead.

Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 04:40 PM (HgMAr)"

It is really not all that hard. Round them up. Transport them to Somalia. The rest of them will stop coming to Italy.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 04:42 PM (QHgTq)

585 There's going to be a spontaneous Democrat debate in New Hampshire next week.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at January 26, 2016 04:43 PM (bpn7O)

586
Chi @ #574

Yes, I used to post as _Dave_.

Ace snarkily dubbed me Trump Super Fan. I decided to keep it at least until The Don either clearly secures or clearly loses the GOP nomination.

After that. I don't know what I'll go by.

Posted by: Trump Super Fan at January 26, 2016 04:43 PM (l2dSQ)

587 @491 Great White Snark

Ima steal that. Perfect.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at January 26, 2016 04:43 PM (k8tEg)

588 Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 04:37 PM (QHgTq)

Sure, but one problem is that in Texas the wall has to be built anywhere from a half mile to a mile inside Texas, so some people get walled off on the wrong side, and lots of people have their properties cut in half.

These are all things that can be dealt with, with thousands of condemnation suits, but this is what makes me think Trump has no intent to build a wall:
He shows no understanding of what goes into the project. It's his signature issue. Let's hear some deets.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 04:44 PM (CoX6k)

589 548
Illegals will deport themselves if they can't get work, welfare, and freebies. Just threatening greater immigration drove them out of Arizona like rats off a sinking ship.-----Christopher Taylor

When SB 1070 passed I saw many a vehicle stuffed to the gills with furniture etc. heading to Tuscon, a sanctuary city, or CA.
Gave me a warm fuzzy.

Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 04:33 PM (uhftQ)

Note... it was the US Supreme Court... not the People, not the Legislators... who said that you HAVE to give those who are here illegally benefits from the State.

It was also the Supreme Court who said Dual Citizenship was legal.... not the people, nor the Legislature that the CONSTITION gave authority over citizenship issues to.

Its the Supremes who did Kelo...

Its the Supremes who said Obamacare was a Tax, and thus legal...

Andddddd... with stare decisis... even if you REPALCE all the Supremes..... those things hold for many years to come.

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 04:44 PM (f7rv6)

590 "571
Dawn Wells is still alive.

Posted by: Phil Hartmark at January 26, 2016 04:38 PM (zv81W)"

Well that certainly settles the Ginger or Mary Ann question.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 04:45 PM (QHgTq)

591 in Texas the wall has to be built anywhere from a half mile to a mile inside Texas

____

Why?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:45 PM (0LHZx)

592 You can get pushed around by aggressive pan-handlers (muggers) and they won't respect you if you ask them to stop.

But if you appear to be the type that will indeed use the gun you just pulled out, the problem seems to go away.

Happens tens of thousands of times every year.
This is not just advocating for concealed carry, this is analogy.

If there were a politician out there running for president who meant it when he said illegals will be deported and a wall will be built, and if said person were elected----

A non-insignificant percentage of illegals would indeed self-deport.

This is my belief. I have no proof other then a few sheriffs and laws passed to back it up with.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 26, 2016 04:45 PM (kKHcp)

593 There's plenty I disagree with on Trump, but this is way at the bottom as far as what I fear

I don't think President Trump is going to take away grandma's house (after generously overpaying for it) so he can build a shopping center
Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:40 PM (6U2tl)

The fact that he praises the Kelo decision is only one of many signs that he has no regard for the constitution, and would appoint judges accordingly.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 04:46 PM (CoX6k)

594 549 Henry Hill is dead. He as a raging alke and hung out at the beach with the other alkies. Some guy interviewed him and put it on the internet. His bitch wife demanded that it be taken down? Why? Because it would ruin his reputation? LOL

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 04:33 PM (iQIUe)

I watched his interview on Howard Stern's show a little while back. He was a total mess even back then.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 26, 2016 04:46 PM (jV8Mq)

595 Well I'm back

Opie is not dead, Ron Howard is still above ground

As for imminent domain I am not against it as long as it follows what the Constitution says. The SCOTUS ruling did not follow the Constitution. It changed "public use" to "public purpose" which means they can take it any time they want it.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 04:47 PM (t2KH5)

596 On the upside, Eddie Haskell (Ken Osmond)is still alive. Turns out, the guy had a pretty interesting private life, quite differentiated from his TV character. From Wiki:

"During the final years of the show, Osmond was in the U.S. Army Reserve as an armourer and was granted leave to film episodes in return for personal appearances for the Army's Special Services.

"I was very much typecast. It's a death sentence. In Hollywood you get typecast. I'm not complaining because Eddie's been too good to me, but I found work hard to come by. In 1968, I bought my first house, in '69 I got married, and we were going to start a family and I needed a job, so I went out and signed up for the LAPD."

In 1970, Osmond joined the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) and grew a mustache which helped to secure his anonymity. He worked in vice and narcotics and as a motorcycle officer. On September 20, 1980, Osmond was hit by three bullets while in a foot chase with a suspected car thief. He was protected from two of the bullets by his bulletproof vest, with the third bullet ricocheting off of his belt buckle. Osmond was placed on disability and eventually retired from the force in 1988."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 04:47 PM (oFSUK)

597 Tina Louise is alive as well

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:47 PM (0LHZx)

598 ACE, you don't say, I am shocked the GOPe is thinking this way. Who knew.
Cruz has the devil of a fight against the Trump tide, if that indeed is what is happening. Cruz is the only R candidate that shows rising poll results once people get to know him. His retail approach is working.
Finally his supporting PAC have started to carpet bomb Trump with ads using his own words against him.
We shall see how that works against his media death star.

Posted by: standfast24 at January 26, 2016 04:47 PM (4OBCQ)

599 Add alligators and fire ants to Rio Grande... and publicize it.

Posted by: Erratic Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 04:47 PM (e7T6D)

600 Note... it was the US Supreme Court... not the People, not the Legislators... who said that you HAVE to give those who are here illegally benefits from the State.

It was also the Supreme Court who said Dual Citizenship was legal.... not the people, nor the Legislature that the CONSTITION gave authority over citizenship issues to.

Its the Supremes who did Kelo...

Its the Supremes who said Obamacare was a Tax, and thus legal...

Andddddd... with stare decisis... even if you REPALCE all the Supremes..... those things hold for many years to come.
Posted by: Don Quixote

True in a sense, but many of these federal laws were poorly written in a way that don't specify someone has to be here legally in order to qualify

You could pass a simple bill in Congress saying no one here illegally gets any public benefits and that would be the end of it. You don't need a Constitutional Amnedment

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:48 PM (6U2tl)

601 Robert Vaughan was the cowardly Seven. He's alive.
Anybody who'd put money in the Moron Dead Pool is a sucker.
Morons don't know who's dead and who's alive.
Says a lot about their "love" "making."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 26, 2016 04:48 PM (xq1UY)

602 You could pass a simple bill in Congress saying no one here illegally gets any public benefits and that would be the end of it. You don't need a Constitutional Amnedment

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:48 PM (6U2tl)

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CA passed that very simple ballot measure and it was struck down 3 seconds later by a judge.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:49 PM (0LHZx)

603 I don't think President Trump is going to take away grandma's house (after generously overpaying for it) so he can build a shopping center

Please. Pay me 6 times what granny's house is worth. I'll have her set up in primo digs by Saturday.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 04:50 PM (Yzubb)

604 I would rather spend the 10 billion dollars on more border agents and ICE agents than a wall . As others have said, enforcement of existing laws would solve the problem . And Romney was correct that self deportation should be a focus. If there are not jobs and benefits available to them they would not risk their lives to get here.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 04:50 PM (ziriD)

605 Rubio has scored the much-sought Patake endorsement. That ought to end it for the others.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 04:50 PM (oFSUK)

606 CA passed that very simple ballot measure and it was struck down 3 seconds later by a judge.

And you think changing the Constitution would be any different?
It's. A. Tax.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 04:51 PM (Yzubb)

607 Cutting welfare and free education from illegals will make them self deport. Cutting fed money to cities and states that refuse to cut welfare and free education will eventually cause those cities and states to cut welfare to illegals.

And build the wall to keep ISIS out.

Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 04:51 PM (Fmupd)

608 Why?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:45 PM (0LHZx)

Because by international treaty it can't be built in the floodplain of the Rio Grande. The middle of the Rio Grande is the border between TX and Mexico, but the wall has to be built way inside TX territory.

See, no one outside of S TX seems to know this, and that's fine (I'm not picking on you), but does Trump even know this? It's his signature issue, and I've seen no indication whatsoever that he cares enough about it to have informed himself. he's never even visited, except for a quick downtown photo-op.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 04:52 PM (CoX6k)

609 CA passed that very simple ballot measure and it was struck down 3 seconds later by a judge.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo

Was it struck down because it conflicted with a federal law?

That's usually the issue, states are not given much authority to enforce immigration laws since it's a federal matter.

If we passed laws closing these loopholes on a federal level through Congress much of the problem would be solved

Of course judges will create mischief, but we at least have to start with laws on the federal level

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 04:52 PM (6U2tl)

610 218 Its the attitude of the LIV about Cruz that confuses me. They seem to think he's a cross between Dracula and Hitler. Seriously, they portray the guy as a horrific monster, something evil and hideous. I guess the "he's stupid" line just won't stick but what on earth? Where does this come from?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:21 PM (39g3+)

Because if you disagree with leftists, you must be either "Stupid" (Reagan, Palin, Dubya) or Evil (Nixon, Cheney). Of course the "Stupid" ones are also frequently considered to be Evil as well.

There is no way anybody can portray Cruz as stupid, so of course, he has to be smeared as the epitome of Evil. And of course, the genuinely stupid aholes in the GOPe are more than happy to perpetuate a leftist slander.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at January 26, 2016 04:54 PM (u0lmX)

611 When a party/ candidate says:
- "You are entitled to NOTHING."
- "My first day in office will be a workday. Swearing in takes a few seconds. After that, I start closing federal agencies. Parties? I doubt any lobbyist will be funding parties when I take office."
- "After that, entitlement programs are the first order of business. And by "business" I mean, you are entitled to nothing."
- "Here is the new immigration policy: Reopen Ellis Island. From there: Step 1: Background check. Step 2: Heath check. Step 3: Can you verify that you have a means to support yourself independently. Step 4: Have you signed up for and do you have the means to pay for integration classes including U.S. history, English language, etc." Questions about any of these steps result in deportation.

Then I will care what one of them has to say again.

Posted by: Damiano at January 26, 2016 04:54 PM (XItbt)

612 Because by international treaty it can't be built in the floodplain of the Rio Grande. The middle of the Rio Grande is the border between TX and Mexico, but the wall has to be built way inside TX territory.

President Trumppenphone will change that treaty with the flick of his wrist, thanks to President Precedent.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 04:55 PM (Yzubb)

613 My two top candidates are Trump and Cruz. I love Cruz but Trump is a delicious murder weapon that has been given to us - we should use it to fullest effect. Remember, the game is to shift the country to the right (oh and yeah, save the country in the process). This is a long term game that starts with, but does not end with, Trump.

Ultimately Trump is gonna sweep. There is not a state primary out there that Trump will not win out right - the only possible exception is Iowa. The establishment will eventually figure this out and all they will have left at that point is to try to force Rubio on Trump as the VP. We saw this in 1980 with Reagan and Bush I. This is fine - Cruz can be AG for awhile before he joins the SCt or runs again for prez in the future. The Donald can fire Rubio(second term elections) if he doesn't behave. It's beautiful.

The point now is to destroy and humiliate the GOP establishment as much as possible, along with all the lickspitters who cling to it (e.g., National Review). So voting for Cruz in Iowa might be a good idea since Trump will win every other state after that regardless whether he wins Iowa (and if Trump loses Iowa, who cares? Iowa is irrelevant based on recent elections - they never choose the winner). As much as I would love a Trump/Cruz ticket, it isn't going to happen IMO nor is it necessary to destroy the GOPe.

Posted by: Chestertonrocks at January 26, 2016 04:55 PM (8gkNc)

614 If there are not jobs and benefits available to them they would not risk their lives to get here.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 04:50 PM (ziriD)

That's the key. The media and Dems (BIRM) scream RAYCIST when that's proposed, but it's key. A wall can be very useful and it slows them down some, but they have huge incentives to make the trek, and many are dying in the process.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 04:55 PM (CoX6k)

615 And Romney was correct that self deportation should be a focus. If there are not jobs and benefits available to them they would not risk their lives to get here.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 04:50 PM (ziriD)

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1. Nobody is risking their lives. Stop buying into the left's bullshit

2. Sure they;d still come. The welfare state is a draw in and of itself. If nothing else, their kids get a free education, free medical care, etc.

And it doesn't have to be either or. Build the fence AND hire more agents AND increase the number of workplace raids AND forbid driver's licenses for illegals. No one solution is 100%. But put all these together and you'll get pretty close to it.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:55 PM (0LHZx)

616 I want to spend 10Billion on jet fuel for the one-way airlift of all these stupid illegals..... and take money from Mexico to fund our damn wall.

And even IF they built it on the US side?... it's a no-mans land now anyway.. most ranchers, not all, would concede it must be built. From El Paso to Brownsville, access to the river would be something that some ranchers would rightly need to get considered. Doable for sure. Illegals crossing out of control. Lack of wall is only part of the problem.

Must address anchor baby issue and Trump is only one pushing that too.

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 04:56 PM (e7T6D)

617 It's about damn time! Ace, here's you a post topic.

SFW----http://tinyurl.com/jckfxkv

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at January 26, 2016 04:57 PM (X+nFp)

618 "588
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 04:37 PM (QHgTq)

Sure, but one problem is that in Texas the wall has to be built
anywhere from a half mile to a mile inside Texas, so some people get
walled off on the wrong side, and lots of people have their properties
cut in half.

These are all things that can be dealt with, with thousands of
condemnation suits, but this is what makes me think Trump has no intent
to build a wall:

He shows no understanding of what goes into the project. It's his signature issue. Let's hear some deets.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 04:44 PM (CoX6k)"

If the wall could be built everywhere except Texas, would you find any value in that?

I remember back around 1970 or so some artist named Christo built something he called "Running Fence" across a long stretch of northern California by getting permission from the land owners and putting the thing up. I think that something similar could be done across a lot of private property if the government did not put up roadblocks to doing it.

Speaking of roads, a wall built on private property could not block public roads but it could line the roads for miles, funneling illegal border crossers onto the roads where they could be conveniently picked up by la Migra if they had a mind to do their job.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 04:58 PM (QHgTq)

619 President Trumppenphone will change that treaty with the flick of his wrist, thanks to President Precedent.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 04:55 PM (Yzubb)

Maybe, but doesn't the senate have to ratify? And then there's that other reason not to build in the floodplain: floods.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 04:58 PM (CoX6k)

620 International Treaties don't allow for uncontrolled border crossing, so I'd say, screw Mexico and the UN if they try to say treaty keeps a wall from being built. Oh really? It's either a wall... or we go to war with Mexico . Status quo isn't cutting it.

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 04:58 PM (e7T6D)

621 Because by international treaty it can't be built in the floodplain of the Rio Grande. The middle of the Rio Grande is the border between TX and Mexico, but the wall has to be built way inside TX territory.

See, no one outside of S TX seems to know this, and that's fine (I'm not picking on you), but does Trump even know this? It's his signature issue, and I've seen no indication whatsoever that he cares enough about it to have informed himself. he's never even visited, except for a quick downtown photo-op.
Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 04:52 PM (CoX6k)

________

Interesting. Ok what about putting sharks with lasers in the Rio Grande?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:59 PM (0LHZx)

622 Speaking of roads, a wall built on private property could not block
public roads but it could line the roads for miles, funneling illegal
border crossers onto the roads where they could be conveniently picked
up by la Migra...

THIS

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:00 PM (e7T6D)

623 Because by international treaty it can't be built in the floodplain of the Rio Grande. The middle of the Rio Grande is the border between TX and Mexico, but the wall has to be built way inside TX territory.

__________________

If you build a wall everywhere but the Rio Grande and instead have some sort of virtual barrier in that space, I will not complain

But the US has the right to defend every square inch of its borders, this is a problem of political will, not some obscure treaty with Mexico that nobody can actually enforce

Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 05:00 PM (6U2tl)

624 CA passed that very simple ballot measure and it was struck down 3 seconds later by a judge.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:49 PM

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Which brings us to another problem that can be easily solved. Start impeaching some of these judges.

Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 05:00 PM (Fmupd)

625 The eminent domain issue can and should be Trump's Achilles's heel. A wise candidate would point out that it's hypocrtical for Trump to protest out-of-control immigration weakening the country's security and economy while simultaneously supporting a system that weakens an individual's right to live unmolested by the government in his or her own home.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 03:35 PM (4df7R)

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Surveys say Eminent Domain ranks about 105 on a list of the 100 most important issues facing votes.

Yes, use that bullet against Trump.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 05:00 PM (LXJ1e)

626 Trump: We will build the wall

Mexico: No senor, we have a treaty and the flood plain

Trump: Yeah fuck you, sue me.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 05:01 PM (0LHZx)

627 Cruz was right, and grassroots conservatives were right.

Gee, .............. and all it took was a 4x4 upside the head.

*spit*

Screw you, assholes.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at January 26, 2016 05:02 PM (WWdgA)

628 458 All the actors from Room 222 are dead...

Oh. Huh.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at January 26, 2016 05:03 PM (WWdgA)

629 Maybe, but doesn't the senate have to ratify? And then there's that other reason not to build in the floodplain: floods.

Not anymore.
See Iran Nuke Treaty per President Precedent.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 05:04 PM (Yzubb)

630 Speaking of roads, a wall built on private property could not block public roads but it could line the roads for miles, funneling illegal border crossers onto the roads where they could be conveniently picked up by la Migra if they had a mind to do their job.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 04:58 PM (QHgTq)

That's sort of what we have now in places, although not exactly as you describe, with the fencing lining the roads. The 100 miles of wall is in little chunks so as not to block roads and emergency access, and access to businesses and colleges, etc, and it does funnel them somewhat.

The one at the Del Rio crossing cracks me up though, for a different reason. For few hundred yards or so it looks like the fence around Jurassic Park, then peters down into a four strand bobwahr fence even I could climb, or crawl under.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 05:04 PM (CoX6k)

631 Sheriff Joe Arpaio will endorse Trump in IA tonight, per several sources.

Poor old Joe won't be around for Trump's betrayal, probably.

I can't believe Joe ignored all of Doc Screwloose's now-inoperative pro-amnesty positions.

Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 05:04 PM (KklUr)

632 Dawn Wells ain't bad looking either. And she's a real sweetheart on Facebook.

Others worth following: Claudia Christian (hilarious) and Andrea Thompson (Talia Winters the telepath on Babylon 5). Katee Sackhoff used to be good but she's too busy working to post much any more. I used to follow Tiffani Thiessen but I got tired of her showing off the free goodies that companies gave her and her kids (to show off).

Yes, I used to post as _Dave_.

Dave's not here, man.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 05:05 PM (39g3+)

633 The US Government has for years been actively encouraging migrants... illegals to flood north. Pamphlets handed out in South America, Central America and in Mexico by Catholic charities.. NGO's , our State Dept... the Mexican and other Governments..

So we just need to send the message that it is over. No more raising $10K to pay a coyote to get you to America. Send the message that no mas. No benefits. If you get caught.. you and your whole family are deported.. not just one. Everyone the Government can find from that family and existing family.

Got to get mean to charities and NGO's encouraging poor to come up here. They should be persuaded to not do that anymore.

Enforce laws that are on the books and ... a lot of this "problem" will self-correct.

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:05 PM (e7T6D)

634 oops

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 05:05 PM (39g3+)

635 Speaking of roads, a wall built on private property could not block public roads but it could line the roads for miles, funneling illegal border crossers onto the roads where they could be conveniently picked up

Picked up or picked off?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 05:05 PM (Yzubb)

636

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:05 PM (e7T6D)

637 Yes Eminent Domain is way down the LIV list. But you know what would jump to the top of the LIV list? Donald Trump in favor of allowing the government to take your house and give it to him so he can build a parking garage.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 05:05 PM (ziriD)

638 How do you bitches like getting high-grounded by a TRUMP SUPER FAN

How so? He's a mark who is proud of being conned. Any day now his sooooooper duuuuuper new hair with start growing thanks to Dr Donald's Majik Elixir. We'll see then, you bet we will!

Posted by: Weirddave at January 26, 2016 05:06 PM (N8hFs)

639 Chris... look what you did to me! I'm all slanted! heh

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:07 PM (e7T6D)

640 E-Verify is more important than cutting off welfare. So is tracking down & deporting visa overstays.

Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 05:08 PM (KklUr)

641 look what you did to me! I'm all slanted!

I was trying to help you reach the Fritos. Are they Chili Cheese? Those are great.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 05:09 PM (39g3+)

642
Interesting. Ok what about putting sharks with lasers in the Rio Grande?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 04:59 PM (0LHZx)

I'm on board with that. Bull sharks can live in freshwater, and as a bonus they are nasty bastards. Parts of the river are shallow enough to drive across, though, but that's only in few spots.

I know a guy who got tired of his neighbor's cattle constantly getting on his land, so he caught some and trucked them through the river and dumped them in Mexico. We all thought that was pretty funny.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 05:11 PM (CoX6k)

643
Now figure on building it like the Berlin Wall, L shaped sections made of reinforced concrete lifted into place with a crane off of flat bed trucks. Those sections can be made anywhere and trucked to the border. In other words, every Congressional district can potentially get a contract to cast these concrete sections of wall.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 04:30 PM (QHgTq)

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We (federal, state, local) spend about $200 billion a year on illegals for various things (schools, jails, welfare, healthcare, etc). That doesn't even take into account money sent to home countries, jobs stolen from Americans, etc.

The ROI on a wall is amazing.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 05:12 PM (LXJ1e)

644 Christopher Taylor
I have been starved too long, guys
Into me you go.

Posted by: The Haiku Barrel at January 26, 2016 05:13 PM (9krrF)

645 637 Yes Eminent Domain is way down the LIV list. But you know what would jump to the top of the LIV list? Donald Trump in favor of allowing the government to take your house and give it to him so he can build a parking garage.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 05:05 PM (ziriD)

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Again, use that bullet against Trump.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 05:14 PM (LXJ1e)

646 I'm in SC and will gladly be voting for Ted Cruz. I've got a sinking feeling that Trump has amassed such a freight train of support (both legit and misguided), that he's going to be unstoppable in the primaries. We'll know soon enough.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 26, 2016 05:14 PM (pVkEV)

647 But you know what would jump to the top of the LIV list? Donald Trump in favor of allowing the government to take your house and give it to him so he can build a parking garage.

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A parking lot for limos, to be exact. At least as I read it earlier. Hoo boy, you thought they had fun with the Romney's home elevator...

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 26, 2016 05:17 PM (pVkEV)

648 Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 05:14 PM (LXJ1e)

I will and I have and it's made people I've talked to reconsider. But I'm in Texas .

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 05:20 PM (ziriD)

649 Limos..... with trunks full of Trump steaks

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:20 PM (e7T6D)

650 But you know what would jump to the top of the LIV list? Donald Trump in favor of allowing the government to take your house and give it to him so he can build a parking garage.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 05:05 PM (ziriD)

For $5 million? Sign me up! Trump's vote would probably increase dramatically.

Seriously, I can't think of a single issue that most voters care less about than eminent domain. That dog won't hunt.

Posted by: cool breeze at January 26, 2016 05:21 PM (ckvus)

651 But the US has the right to defend every square inch of its borders, this is a problem of political will, not some obscure treaty with Mexico that nobody can actually enforce
Posted by: Tobasco at January 26, 2016 05:00 PM (6U2tl)

It's not obscure if you live there. It deals with the top three issues in the area, which are water, water, and water--both for human use and for flood control.

And yeah it sure can be enforced. Mexico could cut off the Rio Conchos water they contribute to the Rio Grande. They already do that sometimes in drought years and we have to sue to get it back.

Though they'd probably just laugh at us for building the fence in the the river where it'll wash away regularly.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 05:22 PM (CoX6k)

652 If Mexico does that crap, I'm thinking Trump would cease all remittances to Mexico from the US and threaten to seize Mexican assets. It would be no problemo in one day.

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:25 PM (e7T6D)

653 BTW, I'm not saying don't build a wall. I would like to know Donald's plan for it, since it's his signature issue, yet he shows no sign that he's studied it for more than 30 seconds.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 05:26 PM (CoX6k)

654 Posted by: cool breeze at January 26, 2016 05:21 PM (ckvus)

You guys don't think anything negative about Trump won't hunt.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 05:27 PM (ziriD)

655 Respectfully disagree
I think our best shot to break the establishment play is if TheDonald rolls through IA NH SC
His momentum and polling look good for the win

I disagree that Trump voters would ever vote Rubio
Trumps biggest issue is immigration

IMO the entire country is incensed by the failure to control borders, vet refugees, or assimilate the millions here and continuing to come

Once Cruz is out in IA which was his best play, his numbers wither and again those voters do t go Rube
Cruz voters like his fight against tools like The Rube
I say they go Donald

Posted by: ginaswo at January 26, 2016 05:28 PM (qxNrP)

656 His signature issue???

Trump criticized ROMNEY's "self deport" comment as cruel.

Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 05:29 PM (KklUr)

657 652 If Mexico does that crap, I'm thinking Trump would cease all remittances to Mexico from the US and threaten to seize Mexican assets. It would be no problemo in one day.
Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:25 PM (e7T6D)

Yeah, he might be able to do that, and then the treaty is dead. Something else would need to be negotiated though. The river is a common resource, and a common danger as far as flooding.

And you'd still have a fence built in a floodplain that floods. Maybe the Donald is so mighty he can stop hurricanes from going up the river. I bet he could do that.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 05:30 PM (CoX6k)

658 Stace, I think we're the only ones here. I'll say this... I think Trump would put a team on it and look at options. He's got the most to lose if it doesn't get built... so, I'm gonna guess, that IF , somehow , he gets elected... that will be his thing to figure out. How to do what most of teh country demands be done and has been politically impossible to do up to now?

Where to build.... how to make access/control issues work. He's the only one. No one else will build it. And by extension, I don't see anyone else making tough political choices to restrain immigration and punish the abuses.

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:31 PM (e7T6D)

659 I hunt dove every year on the Rio Grande in south Texas. I mean... like on the northern bank next to the river. I know that it is not an easy issue... and there are clear and obvious development considerations. At this point, for Trump to go into any of that is counterproductive because getting through the GOP convention as the nominee is still a very questionable effort right now.

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:34 PM (e7T6D)

660 653 BTW, I'm not saying don't build a wall. I would like to know Donald's plan for it, since it's his signature issue, yet he shows no sign that he's studied it for more than 30 seconds.
Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 05:26 PM (CoX6k)

And I don't mean finished blueprints--just sketch it out a little--ballpark costs, where the path would be in TX, etc. Would it go through the two reservoirs, or around them, stuff like that.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 05:34 PM (CoX6k)

661 For $5 million? Sign me up! Trump's vote would probably increase dramatically.

Seriously, I can't think of a single issue that most voters care less about than eminent domain. That dog won't hunt.

Posted by: cool breeze at January 26, 2016 05:21 PM (ckvus)

Trump offered $1 million not $5 million and then had his development committee buddies condemn it with a payment of about $175,000 (far below even regular market value).

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 05:35 PM (NPofj)

662 How so? He's a mark who is proud of being conned.
Any day now his sooooooper duuuuuper new hair with start growing thanks
to Dr Donald's Majik Elixir. We'll see then, you bet we will!

Posted by: Weirddave at January 26, 2016 05:06 PM (N8hFs)

There was an implied /sarc tag there, Wierddave... and a lot of weariness at all the trolls that are popping out of the woodwork.

I wonder if we are going to have to start referring to HIM as Mpurt Dlanod to ward them off.

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 05:40 PM (NPofj)

663 At this point, for Trump to go into any of that is counterproductive because getting through the GOP convention as the nominee is still a very questionable effort right now.
Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:34 PM (e7T6D)

That makes sense. However, until he does, I'm not believing him. Everyone else who promised to do this was lying. There's no reason for me to believe it's not a lie this time.

I know it's crunch time now with Iowa and NH, but when he gets some time, he should make a field trip, and not to just to one part of the river, but to several, as the issues are different in various places. Terrain gets harder as you go up river for example. Not saying it can't be done, but it's his signature issue, and I really think he knows nothing about it.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 05:40 PM (CoX6k)

664 I actually didn't know that George Peppard was dead. I thought he was just ... retired.

Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 05:41 PM (evdj2)

665 My two top candidates are Trump and Cruz. I love
Cruz but Trump is a delicious murder weapon that has been given to us -
we should use it to fullest effect. Remember, the game is to shift the
country to the right (oh and yeah, save the country in the process).
This is a long term game that starts with, but does not end with, Trump.

Ultimately Trump is gonna sweep. There is not a state primary out
there that Trump will not win out right - the only possible exception is
Iowa. The establishment will eventually figure this out and all they
will have left at that point is to try to force Rubio on Trump as the
VP. We saw this in 1980 with Reagan and Bush I. This is fine - Cruz can
be AG for awhile before he joins the SCt or runs again for prez in the
future. The Donald can fire Rubio(second term elections) if he doesn't
behave. It's beautiful.

The point now is to destroy and humiliate the GOP establishment as
much as possible, along with all the lickspitters who cling to it (e.g.,
National Review). So voting for Cruz in Iowa might be a good idea
since Trump will win every other state after that regardless whether he
wins Iowa (and if Trump loses Iowa, who cares? Iowa is irrelevant based
on recent elections - they never choose the winner). As much as I would
love a Trump/Cruz ticket, it isn't going to happen IMO nor is it
necessary to destroy the GOPe.

Posted by: Chestertonrocks at January 26, 2016 04:55 PM (8gkNc)

IF Trump wins (and I hope he does not), I predict you will be bitterly disappointed very soon after he takes office (if the Bern doesn't get him in the general).

Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 05:47 PM (NPofj)

666 But Mr.T's still alive, yes?

Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 05:48 PM (evdj2)

667 Seriously, I can't think of a single issue that most voters care less about than eminent domain.

I'm sure that's why 43 of the 57 states changed their laws post Kelo.

Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 05:49 PM (evdj2)

668 Where to build.... how to make access/control issues work. He's the only one. No one else will build it. And by extension, I don't see anyone else making tough political choices to restrain immigration and punish the abuses.
Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:31 PM (e7T6D)

You may be right about that, and if he promises to get rid of the incentives (jobs and public benefits), I'd give him huge credit for that. Everyone but Trump is afraid of being called a racist.

I do give him credit for moving everyone to the right on this issue, and also for torpedoing Jeb and Bill the rapist Clinton.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 05:50 PM (CoX6k)

669 George Peppard didn't actually die, he just left with Death for drinks and never came back.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 05:50 PM (39g3+)

670 Seriously, I can't think of a single issue that most voters care less about than eminent domain.

I don't know how voters stand on anything these days. Voters make no damn sense to me any more.

But I think if it was explained in simple terms - and its easy to do - they would be pretty unhappy. I think New London still has not built anything in the land they took.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 05:51 PM (39g3+)

671

Having TWO targets of GOPe white-heat hatred leading the GOP primary field is two more than the common man could expect in a system rigged so long and so hard by the inside crowd.

Ace has gamed this out perfectly. Vote Cruz(even if you are a Trump guy) to block Rubio off the plate. And to hold Trump to at least having to have the appearance of being in the Earth's solar system(which rarely contains his ego).

Got it.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at January 26, 2016 05:52 PM (fC+Kl)

672 What about Dirk Benedict? Alive?

Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 05:53 PM (evdj2)

673 The issue that none of them want to address is we have a failed state on the southern border and it refuses to reform. The populace is happy as it is and those that aren't shut up or move up here.

Mexico is a large country that is corrupt to it's core. A wall will not fix that... in fact.. it will destabilize Mexico and for all that Trump talks about knowing what would destabilize Iraq etc, the elephant in the room is.... Mexico is precarious... and if we shut off their relief valve.... and we tax them... and we say no more anchor babies and no more illegals... Mexico will unravel and get messy.

That is the problem. Big brains are going to need to sit down and figure this out.

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:56 PM (e7T6D)

674 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyONt_ZH_aw

THIS. You can thank me later.

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:59 PM (e7T6D)

675 Mexico is a large country that is corrupt to it's core. A wall will not fix that... in fact.. it will destabilize Mexico and for all that Trump talks about knowing what would destabilize Iraq etc, the elephant in the room is.... Mexico is precarious... and if we shut off their relief valve.... and we tax them... and we say no more anchor babies and no more illegals... Mexico will unravel and get messy.

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:56 PM (e7T6D)

Mexico won't pose any greater threat to us than they are now. If we stop their invasion (both from Mexicans and the facilitation of others invading us through their border) then they will be much less of a threat, no matter what happens there.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 26, 2016 06:00 PM (zc3Db)

676 @675.. Well.. I don't know. I like South Texas. I like the great SW. Everything within 100 miles of the border , on the US side is slightly out of control. Everything in Mexico north of Monterrey to the pacific coast is totally out of control. It cannot continue. Maybe you live far enough away to say it's no problem, but if not, please correct me.

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 06:05 PM (e7T6D)

677 Maybe you live far enough away to say it's no problem, but if not, please correct me.

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 06:05 PM (e7T6D)

I didn't say it's no problem. I said that it IS a problem. What I said is that it won't get worse if we close things down with Mexico and force them to look south to alleviate their internal problems. And that includes landowners here having the right to defend their land and invading illegals having no rights (as is currently opposite of how things are, on both accounts).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 26, 2016 06:10 PM (zc3Db)

678 President Clinton

Posted by: xxxxxx at January 26, 2016 06:11 PM (mcLtI)

679 Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 05:56 PM (e7T6D)

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 06:05 PM (e7T6D)

Yep. I have thought on that for another day, but no easy answers. The crime from Mexico coing across is horrible, but a most of the migration crossers are now
Central Americans, Asians, and now Cubans. I just read that tens of thousands of Cubans are crossing here from Mexico now, and of course when they get here they automatically get to stay. I dn't know if they're a problem, but I for sure do not like the guys like the Ukrainians that were caught n our ranch. They didn't do anything to us, but they had previously been convicted of assault and drug dealing in Washington, served their time and were deported. They were sneaking back in through Mexico.

Two years ago my disabled brother in law was violently home invaded by a 19 year old "dreamer" from Mexico.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 06:12 PM (CoX6k)

680 Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 06:12 PM (CoX6k)

sorry for typos. I think it's margarita time.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 06:15 PM (CoX6k)

681 We stopped deer hunting down there because of all the illegals in deer camp ( trailers) . One of the guys went out to check on things before season started, and stumbled upon 45 illegals with two armed coyetes.. in our camp. After that... everyone kinda just said screw it. It's kinda lawless now down there. We'll go dove hunting , but it's only one weekend... and the illegals kinda lay low when all the shooting is going on.

Mexico has been real retarded sir for a very long time. I do not think they are capable of reform. It is analogous to Iraq/Iran/Afganistan... deeply rooted dysfunction. I do not claim to know what the answer is.

All I do know is.... everywhere Spain colonized is the shitz.

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 06:19 PM (e7T6D)

682 All I do know is.... everywhere Spain colonized is the shitz.

Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 06:19 PM (e7T6D)

Yep. In good part a leftover of islamic rule in Spain and the effect on Spanish culture, by my view.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 26, 2016 06:21 PM (zc3Db)

683 #Trump wont skip the debates......#Trump is the Alpha male and when he is done bitch slapping Megyn and the Phony, I was fooled by Bitch McConnell, Cruz he will go on to the nomination....I betcha.....Sheriff Joe agrees...

Posted by: concealedkerry or submitt at January 26, 2016 06:28 PM (kHv/o)

684 If Cruz is so hated by the GOPe then please explain the Pac run by a lawyer friend of McConnell is investing their money in Cruz?

And there's probably others as pacs can give money to each other all day until finally it reaches who they really want to help.

I've felt all along that the broadcast hatred of Cruz is a sham, that Cruz has actually voted the party line, he's just managed to convince everyone that either he didn't or he had no choice or something.

he's for more h1b visas, he was with Beck at the border handing out teddy bears, he voted for the tpp thing until they didn't need his vote and then he switched, he won't stop the anchor babies, he believes in some other stuff too.

He's the one who plans to fold and give his delegates to Rubio (it was supposed to Jeb but that's no longer operative as they say). He'll say that he's been advised that because of the confusion about his citizenship he doesn't want to cloud the contest so he will leave after he soaks up some votes. He's the one going to fold and not Trump.

With Cruz's delegates and whatever Rubio can scrape up, they figure they can scheme at the convention and force Trump off the ticket.

And then all you Cruzbots can shriek in horror.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 06:37 PM (Xo1Rt)

685 Suspicions confirmed! Continue your whines, wails, gnashing, groans, fits, conniptions and hitleresque table pounding over the lack of reason and dispassionate analysis coming from Trump supporters.

Each and every one of you pious Trump haters are looking in the mirror and fuming at a version of yourself that actually believes there's hope.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 03:51 PM (xuouz)
***

Oh the drama. Trump supporters sound just like Obamaites did in 2008 and 2012. Your man is a fraud and it's plain to see, but people are itching for a messiah figure.

As for Rubio vs. Cruz, it simply comes down to who can win in the general. It doesn't matter what a purist you are if you never get there in the first place. So you can damn the Mexicans all you want when HRC is in charge, and it won't do any of us a bit of good.

Posted by: evergreen at January 26, 2016 07:02 PM (tDwXn)

686 "I mean, I really like the wayTrump games eminent domain and hurls
innocent, law-abiding homeowners out on the street--you know, so he
could build a limousine parking garage.

I especially like the
one whereTrump blocked his brother fromreceiving inheritance money that
would've gone into medical expenses for a sick toddler, Trump's own
nephew. I mean, that's some homespun hilarity going onright there.

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up."

-troyriser

Sure you can. You just did, in fact.

Posted by: Flying Tiger Comics at January 26, 2016 07:21 PM (wq6n5)

687 All I do know is.... everywhere Spain colonized is the shitz.
Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 06:19 PM (e7T6D)

totes.
except for food. I just cooked a platter of cheese enchiladas and am washing it down with margaritas.

But we can have the food without the dumpster fire of crappy societal organization.

Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (CoX6k)

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