Saturday Gardening Thread: Linky Dinky [Y-not]

Greetings gardeners! Today's abbreviated edition of the gardening thread is brought to you by chain link fences. A few fun facts:

* According to the US Department of Commerce, half of all fences sold in this country are chain link fences.
*The reason for their ubiquity is, first of all, because chain link fencing has been around for a long time, probably longer than you would have guessed.
*The first company to manufacture chain link fences in the US is Anchor Fence in 1891. They were called Anchor Post Fence Co. then. They say that the first chain link fence they ever installed is (or was, as of 2005) still standing, somewhere in New Jersey.
*Some sources say that chain link fencing was actually first made in Norwich, England, in 1844.
*Norwich had for centuries been a weaving town, producing finely woven fabrics. But with the Industrial Revolution, people were making more fabrics for less money. So one company (unnamed) in Norwich altered their machinery to accommodate metal rather than thread.

I was tied up most of the week traveling, so today's thread will feature some links, that may or may not be gardening related.

To get the discussion rolling, here are some neat ways to beautify a chain link fence. I like this one:

Perhaps more in keeping with the Gardening Thread, here's some advice about how to quickly cover a chain link fence with beautiful vines.

And, courtesy of HGTV, here's a list of fast-growing vines to help you cover that unsightly fence quickly.

Speaking of fences, do you know the origin of "Good fences make good neighbors?" It appears here, but the sentiment appears earlier.

But I digress! Back to links and gardening, there's this:

Art Linkletter (some of you old timers might remember) published this book in 1965. Here's a review from that era:

It is held to be a fact that true humor is a slightly unfocussed view of the ordinary. This is the completely unfocussed view of early childhood. As such, it is of inestimable value to gag writers because children really are funnier than they intend to be or than the adults who try to be. Did yez know that a ""scarlet"" is, by juvenile definition, ""a little scar""? Well, did yez? Or that giraffes ""are a rich source of necks?"" Or that, ""Australia is located in the Pacific. It is presently still floating."" The goldmine Linkletter works (Kids Say the Darndest Things, Kids Sure Rite Funny) is that the unintentional humor of earnest children continues to amuse jaded adults. Aim; the funny bone. Sales: steady. Use: browsing.

I wonder if that kid who said she'd "keep [her] mouth shut" if she was elected president is available?

Finally, courtesy of Better Homes and Gardens, here's a Fall checklist. Have any of you started tackling your Fall chores yet?

To wrap things up, here's an appropriate song:

What's happening in your gardens this week?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 04:30 PM

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1 Supposedly Art Linkletter was a major fucking asshole in real life.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 03, 2015 04:29 PM (4ErVI)

2 I saw a How It's Made type show. They showed how they make chain link. Very interesting.

Posted by: Bruce at October 03, 2015 04:32 PM (8ikIW)

3 Machines for sale?

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at October 03, 2015 04:33 PM (k9qR4)

4 Current garden consists of: one stray tomato plant of unknown origin in a flower pot on the roof. It was here when we moved in two months ago. I rescued it, and it has actually put on a couple of tomatoes. Still green, and gonna be dead in a couple of weeks when it freezes, but I might actually try growing something for real if we're not all nuked by Iran next year. =I:^)

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at October 03, 2015 04:37 PM (k9qR4)

5 I read that originally machines designed for weaving were modified to make chain link fences.

Posted by: Y-not In the airport at October 03, 2015 04:38 PM (DQ+OG)

6 Found out we had a couple of peanut plants. I'm guessing they must have been planted by the previous owner and managed to escape my extremely casual weeding the last two years. Maybe next year there will be enough to harvest.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 03, 2015 04:40 PM (GDulk)

7 Thanks for the links on climbing vines. We have a dead oak tree in the yard that we had taken out, but left about 30 feet of it in hopes of covering it in Clematis. After 6 different plants have failed to get more then 5 feet high in the last 6 years, I'm liking the Virginia Creeper. Plus some fall color along with some berries for the birds.

Anybody have any downsides? The tree is about 60 feet from the house and 30 feet from any other trees.

Posted by: Bruce at October 03, 2015 04:41 PM (8ikIW)

8 Posted by: Bruce at October 03, 2015 04:41 PM (8ikIW)

Some people have a reaction to Virginia Creeper that is similar to that of poison ivy. Not sure how common a problem it is though.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 03, 2015 04:45 PM (GDulk)

9 I'm still fighting the Voles. They've been chewing on the cucumbers and tomatoes. Only caught one so far.

Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 04:46 PM (0qASP)

10 Some people have a reaction to Virginia Creeper that
is similar to that of poison ivy. Not sure how common a problem it is
though.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette

Reading about it, it seems it is from the sap. Not from brushing up on the leaves. Is that right?

Posted by: Bruce at October 03, 2015 04:47 PM (8ikIW)

11
"here are some neat ways to beautify a chain link fence...."

Back in the old neighborhood that "transitioned" to barrio, this was the beautify we got:

http://tinyurl.com/opxegxq

Although, sometimes you saw memorials to the dearly departed gangbangers like "Sleepy" in this fashion:

http://contexts.org/files/2015/05/Brian_Fence-copy.jpg

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 03, 2015 04:48 PM (kdS6q)

12 day 2 of garage painting. Saturdays only, few hours window of opportunity. 2sides done, getting a 24 foot ladder tomorrow. on to next week!

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at October 03, 2015 04:48 PM (Cq0oW)

13
Also re: chainlink fences:

Finally moved to a decent part of town that bans them around homes and businesses. An amazing improvement.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 03, 2015 04:50 PM (kdS6q)

14 day 2 of garage painting. Saturdays only, few hours
window of opportunity. 2sides done, getting a 24 foot ladder tomorrow.
on to next week!

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich

Maybe time to convince the neighbor kids how much fun it is to paint, a la Tom Sawyer.

Posted by: Bruce at October 03, 2015 04:50 PM (8ikIW)

15 here are some neat ways to beautify a chain link fence. I like this one: >>>

Cool!

How do you get the hippies to stick to the wire though?

Posted by: Mortimer at October 03, 2015 04:55 PM (0dcbp)

16 I have 200# oats, 100# winter rye grass, 56# wheeler rye, 10# each of crimson clover, winter peas, turnips, and rape. I was going to put it out last weekend, front tire on my tractor blew out, I ordered new intertube. It's rained 16 inches since then. All that seed would have just washed away. Small miracle that tire going down. Now I just need to water to go so I can get into the fields.

Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 04:55 PM (R0rDw)

17 This episode has certainly paid for itself with those cool fence decorating ideas! I've got to figure something out for Halloween, now that I have seen the work of others. I suppose that Christmas would be a good candidate for effort also.

Posted by: goon at October 03, 2015 04:57 PM (gy5kE)

18
Our garden beds -- perennials, mostly -- at our summer place have been inundated with high tides and rainwater three times in the last 24 hours, with one more likely to occur tonight. Luckily, the flooding water's salinity is considerably lower than that of the ocean, so we're good. With luck, I'll be able to do cleanup and finish reworking the beds tomorrow through Tuesday. This is all from the nor'easter, BTW.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 03, 2015 05:00 PM (VLTL9)

19 Speaking of fences, do you know the origin of "Good fences make good neighbors?" It appears here, but the sentiment appears earlier.

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I think that's Israeli.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 03, 2015 05:00 PM (gRS/u)

20 I used swaths of chain link fencing to make gabions to make a terraced garden. I no longer have the pictures, but it was fun making the baskets, placing them and then filling them with rocks and knitting them together.
Chain link is pretty good for making gabions because you can weave it all into a whole piece with only a couple of sewn seams at the end. It is also easier to manipulate on site, the hog fencing and the stuff that looks like chicken wire designed for velociraptors can be hard to form by yourself.

I was worried about loose ends poking up to lay open an arm or a leg, but I managed to make sure there were no loose ends..

Posted by: Kindltot at October 03, 2015 05:02 PM (3pRHP)

21 Roy Rogers: The museum was in Apple Valley, CA for many years. A easy stop of I15. Stopped many times just to look at all the pictures, and the stuffed Trigger.. Always wished RR could have been stuffed and mounted on his horse. It all lives on with You Tube. I guess all the stuff was sold off at some point. Now kids have no idea that the Roy Rogers Restaurants are actually named after an old time western movie star.

Posted by: Colin at October 03, 2015 05:06 PM (Espnc)

22 Upcycle? Try re-cycle dumb*ss.

Posted by: Just Some Guys In Black at October 03, 2015 05:07 PM (hVdx9)

23 I shall decorate my chain-link fence with hippy scalps.

Posted by: Just Some Guys In Black at October 03, 2015 05:10 PM (hVdx9)

24 As an aside, Lady Bird Johnson hated chainlink fences.

Posted by: Wyguy at October 03, 2015 05:12 PM (peVzB)

25 The problem with climbing vines is that they corrode the fence.

Posted by: Just Some Guys In Black at October 03, 2015 05:13 PM (hVdx9)

26 This is absolutely fascinating. About 8 years ago, when you looked up gabion you saw how to build them out of chain link fencing. Now it is all welded wire paneling and the hexagonal wire.

Anyhow, my melon viness are trying to pop out more melons. I suppose I will have to continue to water them.
I also plan on planting far more paprika peppers than I did this year, I like them better than the jalepenos for cooking.

I had my first problem with racoons getting into my corn because I grew a couple rows of sweet corn instead of all indian corn as usual. I suppose that will teach me in the future. I don't like sweet corn anyways, I worked in the local canneries too many years to ever eat corn or green beans again.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 03, 2015 05:18 PM (3pRHP)

27 Another big batch of stuffed peppers. Cubanelle, Carmen, bell and shishito. Yes I stuff the shishitos. Samll, but delicious. Went for more a a tex-mex flavor this time rather than Indian.

For some reason the bell peppers took forever to really produce, but they are coming on like gangbusters at the end of the season. Carmen and shishito have been great all year.

Posted by: forest at October 03, 2015 05:23 PM (lcz8X)

28 This winter I'm going to try H�gelkultur for a long row of fruit trees for my pigs. I'm thinking if I make the mound and then fence (field fence not chain link) on it, the fence will keep the pigs from rooting up the trees and mound but the fruit will roll down the mound to the hungry pigs at the bottom.

I'll save pictures of the project to send to y-not for a garden thread. And thanks to y-not, kt or Dave, whichever posted about H�gelkultur.

Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 05:25 PM (R0rDw)

29 https://youtu.be/f51On-OQbqQ
Why the West, Die Abendlande, if you will, may yet win:
https://youtu.be/f51On-OQbqQ
This, and area-denial weapons.

Posted by: Karl-Heinz Thorswald at October 03, 2015 05:30 PM (n/3Xe)

30 I planted grapes along my chain link fence. After a couple years we gallons of grapes. It smells like a grape jelly plant out there. What we do not use the birds get. Unfortunately they also attract possums.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at October 03, 2015 05:32 PM (CcpOY)

31 Posted by: Bruce at October 03, 2015 04:47 PM (8ikIW)

I believe that is correct, but read it a couple of years ago so am not positive.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 03, 2015 05:37 PM (GDulk)

32 I just diced up 18 bells, red and orange, to freeze. I use them in soup, roasted potatoes and with rice. I'm going to have to make a lot of soup this winter. They're so good, you just can't waste them and I've already loaded up my brother, friends and neighbors. Still a lot on the plants, too.

Posted by: huerfano at October 03, 2015 05:38 PM (O2jYw)

33 @28 Pigs love mast.
I never ringed my pigs, but old guys told me they won't root with a ring on top of their snout.
I used cattle panels with quick-links at the corners to move small groups in and out of areas as needed.
Pro-tip: they love water parsnip the way goats love poison ivy.

Posted by: Karl-Heinz Thorswald at October 03, 2015 05:39 PM (n/3Xe)

34
So I moved to Meridian Id and picked up a house with a 6 x 12' raised garden bed.

The house was empty for months and the garden ran wild with everything from rotten tomatos to a 10' tall sunflower in it... utterly overgrown.

How should I manage this mess now in prep for a kitchen garden next spring? Leave it till then? Roto-till it into mulch? Kill it with fire?

Anything that needs fall planted? Isn't garlic set in the fall?

Can I do at least part with a cold frame and get something going now for fun and if so what?

Lay deep irrigation hose and cover with black plastic?

Leave the hobo's intact or mulch them?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at October 03, 2015 05:43 PM (qul7b)

35 debating if i go for rye grass for the fall/winter......the bermuda is almost dead.....can i live with the unsightly brown...or should i just tear it all out and make the yard one big patio?.....decisions....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 03, 2015 05:43 PM (0O7c5)

36 Do you bottle, pasteurize or make wine with your grapes?

I can the juice even though everyone says to just pasteurize it,

Posted by: Kindltot at October 03, 2015 05:44 PM (3pRHP)

37 We were just talking about covering chain link last week on some random thread...

I posted a pic or two. I'm in the process of cover a section out back with the bamboo that grows like, well, bamboo.
Almost half finished, but then I stopped.

Posted by: Chi at October 03, 2015 05:45 PM (T5QC5)

38 My pigs are big time rooters but that's ok, their area is 23 acres of forest and only 2 acres of field.

I'm trying to get it so they are very low touch from me, so I'm planting a lot of high growth perennial stuff, I'll have to find out about water parsnips

Thanks

Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 05:46 PM (R0rDw)

39 Hobos will attract vermin. Your call if that's a bug or a feature.
Tomatoes do well in the same place they were the season previous, provided there is no limiting nutrient.
The ash nutrients are soluble, and could run off. If you only fire the dead refuse, I advise a green manure crop to lock the nutrients in living tissue, and better mulch in the spring if they also winter-kill. Set vigorous transplants directly into the winter-killed green manure.

Posted by: Karl-Heinz Thorswald at October 03, 2015 05:47 PM (n/3Xe)

40 @38 End-use issue: mast can make "soft pork". I suspect that that is healthier for home use, but I am not a lipid biochemist.
If you sell them on the open market, you may want to finish them on corn, or similar.

Posted by: Karl-Heinz Thorswald at October 03, 2015 05:51 PM (n/3Xe)

41 Forest @ 27

What do you stuff your peppers with? Some tips, recipes, (or just ingredients ) would be nice. Kinda tired of just ground pork & rice.

Maybe tomorrow's food thread?

Posted by: Chi at October 03, 2015 05:57 PM (T5QC5)

42 We have a dead oak tree in the yard that we had taken out, but left about 30 feet of it in hopes of covering it in Clematis.

Thirty feet? Almost exactly the right size to grow a hop vine! I think they're terrific - easy to grow and seldom bothered by bugs. Mine is 3 years old now, and completely covers our pergola by late summer. It's loaded with little flowers, which dry out and smell like beer! Some hops have bright yellow-green leaves, but mine is just a standard green. It's a perennial, you cut it down to the ground in the late fall, and it comes back stronger than ever in the spring. Maybe a little TOO strong - I had to pull out two new plants it had put out several feet away from the original one, but they weren't hard to extract. I expect that every year it will try hard to spread itself.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at October 03, 2015 05:59 PM (gjLib)

43 Y-not, the Dave's Garden link has some good ideas. Growing annual and perennial vines together could be less work than picking annual vines off the fence every winter.

Some of the vines featured by HGTV may warrant caution.

Don't try growing any but the lightest vines on a chain link fence that doesn't have a top rail.

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 05:59 PM (qahv/)

44 Polliwog,

Peanut plants are fun. I saw seeds offered somewhere for black peanuts.

Safety issue: Keep them kind of dry just before and after harvest. They are easily contaminated by aflatoxin fungus.

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 06:01 PM (qahv/)

45 >>>�This is the completely unfocussed view of early childhood. As such, it is of inestimable value to gag writers because children really are funnier than they intend to be or than the adults who try to be.

I consider Obama to be the equivalent of an unfocused child, but the only time he's made me laugh is when he split his lip playing basketball.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 03, 2015 06:02 PM (O96tM)

46 * According to the US Department of Commerce, half of all fences sold in this country are chain link fences.

That sounds disturbing. Does anyone know if chain linked fences can contribute to global warming?

And since fences are meant by design to exclude the Other, aren't they racist as well?

Posted by: EPA at October 03, 2015 06:05 PM (O96tM)

47 My goodness, kindltot,

I didn't even know what gabions were and you have built them!

I don't know about trying to get more melons in your climate this time of year, but if they are honeydews or Spanish winter melons like Piel de Sapo, you can peel the immature fruits and use them like cucumbers.

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 06:05 PM (qahv/)

48 Eez no use you put up fence to kip me from seeing your wife. I just buy wire cutters.

Posted by: Paolo at October 03, 2015 06:06 PM (O96tM)

49 OG, will garlic survive the winter there? I remember it gets cold in Boise in the winter.

I would knock down and pull out anything that isn't producing, and probably dig it over now while it is dry, and then mulch. Then dig over next January when there is a sunny and cold period.
I know you are dry out there so anything to help absorb your precipitation would help. The melon farmers use plastic mulching and drip irrigation to keep moisture when they plant, but the potato and onion farmers don't, so I don't know what is better.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 03, 2015 06:07 PM (3pRHP)

50 In order to save water, the Modern Man turns off the tap while brushung his teeth.

In order to save water, the AoS man omits washing his hands after going to the bathroom, if he intends to fap immediately afterwards.

Posted by: dead kitteh at October 03, 2015 06:09 PM (O96tM)

51 According to the US Department of Commerce, half of all fences sold in this country are chain link fences.

That sounds disturbing. Does anyone know if chain linked fences can contribute to global warming?

And since fences are meant by design to exclude the Other, aren't they racist as well?

Posted by: EPA at October 03, 2015 06:05 PM (O96tM)

Another Fed department which can be eliminated.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 03, 2015 06:11 PM (ej1L0)

52 My tomato plants are getting kind of feeble, I don't think the last 3 are going to ever turn red. I am torn between pulling them in and putting them in a bag to turn red or just letting them go and frying them up green if the weather gets too cold.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 03, 2015 06:15 PM (39g3+)

53 I've seen several studies that show the ratio of fatty acids in pastured pork are much closer to 1:1 than a grain diet (more like 11:1 omega 6 to omega 3) and it certainly does change the constancy of the meat, especially the lard/fat.

Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 06:15 PM (R0rDw)

54 We give grapes to relatives. After a bountiful crop we are probably about as welcome as zucchini growers. The wife makes jelly with some of them. It gets eaten, apparently.

One thing to consider when planting grapes that I did not know is that they are toxic to dogs. Grapes cause liver failure. They must be pruned to be kept out of the reach of hungry puppies.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at October 03, 2015 06:19 PM (CcpOY)

55 @53 Where else but at AoS/HQ, thanks to our intellectually-generous host at this award-winning, smart, military blog?
Jus' sayin', is all.

Posted by: Karl-Heinz Thorswald at October 03, 2015 06:19 PM (n/3Xe)

56 The Lake Murray dam in South Carolina has a chain link fence running along the roadway across it.

Couples festoon it with locks (ie. paddlelocks, combination locks, not Panama canal-type locks) with their initals on them. Isn't that sweet?

But be careful. After the chain link fence ends, there are spiders all along the shorter fence.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 03, 2015 06:21 PM (O96tM)

57 Supposedly Art Linkletter was a major fucking asshole in real life.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
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He got his jollies mocking children. How nice could he be?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 03, 2015 06:25 PM (O96tM)

58 I'll bet lake Murray is dam full today

Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 06:26 PM (R0rDw)

59
I think decorating a chain link fence only calls attention to it.

So here's something you might not know: Us black chain link and black posts. It makes the fence nearly invisible n most landscape settings [colors].

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 03, 2015 06:26 PM (2SXh/)

60 I've been bringing in tomatoes and peppers for awhile that look like they are starting to ripping and in a bowl on the counter to finish. I have 1 Anaheim pepper plant with a dozen on the plant and hope if weather clears may keep going.

Posted by: Skip at October 03, 2015 06:27 PM (HbCsM)

61 "good fences make good neighbors" is from Robert Frost, I think.

Collards, kale, brussels sprouts are about all that's still producing for us. A few cherry tomatoes.

I like frozen diced bell peppers for soup & etc, too.
Also greens, collard, turnip, kale, parboiled and diced, for soupmaking.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 03, 2015 06:29 PM (go6ud)

62 KT, it was like this. My GF at the time had a 45 degree slope off her back porch she did not want to mow, so she sprayed it planning on making some sort of rock garden.
This morphed into some sort of terraced rock garden after I both of us almost fell down it. Then I ruined a mower blade on a rock we had placed, and I started thinking about alternatives.

So I knew they made gabions to keep road-cuts from collapsing and started researching about how to make them.

I picked rocks from the neighbors' pasture to fill the baskets and back-filled it, put in drip irrigation and it did really well for a garden while she lived there.

A whole bunch of people thought I was over-reaching when I decided to do it, and I did not do it the easy way, but it turned out well. It looked better in the summer when the squash and beans were all over it, but it was impressive

Posted by: Kindltot at October 03, 2015 06:30 PM (3pRHP)

63 Also does anyone else get feral tomato plants. From the beginning of the year I see them pop up all over. Half of the ones still producing are these including a cherry tom which I haven't planted in a few years and get one every year.

Posted by: Skip at October 03, 2015 06:31 PM (HbCsM)

64 I planted grapes along my chain link fence. After a couple years we gallons of grapes. It smells like a grape jelly plant out there. What we do not use the birds get. Unfortunately they also attract possums.
Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum

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Try muscadines. They have very thick skins so the critters tend to leave them alone.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 03, 2015 06:31 PM (O96tM)

65 >>> I've seen several studies that show the ratio of fatty acids in pastured pork are much closer to 1:1 than a grain diet (more like 11:1 omega 6 to omega 3) and it certainly does change the constancy of the meat, especially the lard/fat.

It changes the flavor, too. You can taste the omega 3.

Posted by: fluffy at October 03, 2015 06:31 PM (2iV3X)

66 He got his jollies mocking children. How nice could he be?

I don't think he was mocking them and I don't really feel a need years later to hear what a supposed a-hole he was. Did he commit any crimes? Not that I know of.

For goodness sakes, can we just have a cute little video without people having to be naysayers? I enjoyed the video; So sue me.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 03, 2015 06:32 PM (cgZPg)

67 In order to save water, the AoS man omits washing his hands after going to the bathroom, if he intends to fap immediately afterwards.
Posted by: dead kitteh at October 03, 2015 06:09 PM

This should be in the Style Guide. I thought we omit washing our hands after going to the bathroom because, not being Modern Men, we do not pee on our fingers.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at October 03, 2015 06:33 PM (CcpOY)

68 I read that originally machines designed for weaving were modified to make chain link fences.

Posted by: Y-not

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I built my iPhone out of a loom, duct tape, and some chewing gum.

Posted by: Charles Babbage at October 03, 2015 06:34 PM (O96tM)

69 Chain link fence is available with a green vinyl coating. It is much less unsightly than the naked galvanized steel stuff.

Posted by: Taken Aback at October 03, 2015 06:36 PM (NWkWB)

70 Bruce at October 03, 2015 04:41 PM

There are several possibility in the Virginia Creeper genus. Some have suckers that can be a problem on walls, especially when nearing a roof, but should not be a problem on a dead tree. Do a little research into which cultivar would suit your needs best.

If you really wanted clematis, you might consider some of the more vigorous types, such as Clematis montana 'Tetrarose'.

If it doesn't get too cold in winter where you are, there may be some roses that would be suitable. Growing into an old tree would also be a classic use for wisteria. There are three species to choose from. Japanes wisteria is the most winter-hardy, but Silky and Chinese wisterias are pretty hardy also. Choose a named cultivar that appeals to you.

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 06:38 PM (qahv/)

71 Chain-link fencing can be defeated by some vehicles. If you have a bulldozer, or back-hoe, you can use earth-works to augment the fence installation.
Radar, or other remote-sensing, is coming down in price. Pay the $200 tax and get a grenade launcher, if you don't have one already.
Homemade CIW? Saiga 12 with a drum mag, #4 buck rounds.
Pro-tip: hungry lions within the fence-line will deter, but they are also indiscriminate.

Posted by: Karl-Heinz Thorswald at October 03, 2015 06:38 PM (n/3Xe)

72 Try pressing your grapes and canning it. It is fantastic juice and you will never want to buy Welch's purple stuff again.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 03, 2015 06:41 PM (3pRHP)

73 65 I'm going for custom flavored pigs, the flavor is put into the meat in the last 30 days, so if you want acorn/pecan/hickory nut, now's the time, next month will be pumpkin flavor. Spring will be sweet potato and butter nut squash (because they both keep from the fall so well) summer is fruit and vegetables pork, early fall, grape and peanut. Least that's the plan.

Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 06:41 PM (R0rDw)

74 traye at October 03, 2015 04:55 PM

That's a LOT of seed. Ten pounds of turnip seed - I can hardly image how many turnips that would grow. Glad they didn't get washed away in your big storm.

It may rain a little here tomorrow, but nothing like what I am hearing about from the East.

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 06:41 PM (qahv/)

75 Getting a ton of bell peppers this year after a meh season last year. A feral grape tomato plant in my succulent garden is producing nicely.
Broccoli, cauliflower, kale, rapini and chard (aka the inedibles per my better half) are really taking off. Too hot yet for lettuce in So Cal. Praying for rain tomorrow as they predict.

Posted by: keena at October 03, 2015 06:42 PM (RiTnx)

76 59
So here's something you might not know: Us black chain link and black posts. It makes the fence nearly invisible n most landscape settings [colors].
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 03, 2015 06:26

Somebody on a snow mobile at night might find that a rude surprise. Darwin is mean and unforgiving.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at October 03, 2015 06:42 PM (CcpOY)

77 >>>I don't think he was mocking them and I don't really feel a need years later to hear what a supposed a-hole he was.

heheh, sorry, just being an a-hole myself. I don't think so either.

I do get tired of all the times I hear about some famous entertainer (Sinatra, Jimmy Saville) who does turn out to be awful in private life. At this point nothing would surprise me anymore.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenneri at October 03, 2015 06:43 PM (O96tM)

78 There are more red tiles than blue tiles in the top pic. Why didn't they just make them all blue? As we've seen since last November, there isn't a bit of difference between them.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenneri at October 03, 2015 06:45 PM (O96tM)

79 Herbs are one thing I have and except as fresh I don't do much with. Rabbits took out my dill early but have perennial chives and oregano and get basel and parsley every year. My parsley is in a large concrete pot which I may take inside to keep it going after frost.

Posted by: Skip at October 03, 2015 06:48 PM (HbCsM)

80 So I found out that those funky looking milkweed bugs on my milkweed only eat the sap from the pods because they have a proboscis. So what the hell happened to all the Monarchs I should have hatched this year? I read that California towhees voraciously consume the larvae but there aren't that many in our yard.

Posted by: keena at October 03, 2015 06:48 PM (RiTnx)

81 KT, yes it is, but feed growing on the ground is feed I don't have to buy if they run out. I'll rotate them from section to section over the next five months, hopefully 8 sections, rotate each week that gives each section almost two months to recover.

Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 06:51 PM (R0rDw)

82 @79 if you forget, the large, starchy, parsley root contains enough live energy to force several cuttings of live parsley sprouts through the winter.
Treat it right, an' it will treat you right. Like, fookin' Nature, Man..

Posted by: Karl-Heinz Thorswald at October 03, 2015 06:52 PM (n/3Xe)

83 63 Also does anyone else get feral tomato plants. From the beginning of the year I see them pop up all over. Half of the ones still producing are these including a cherry tom which I haven't planted in a few years and get one every year.
Posted by: Skip at October 03, 2015 06:31 PM (HbCsM)

Heh. True story and I'll swear o the dictionary.

Spoke with Raymond Floyd's dad while working at Ft Bragg. Asked him about the origins of the enlisted men's course. He remarked he built the front nine. It was/is nothing but dead NC Sandhills sand. Lacking resources, he called on the waste treatment plant for some "organic matter". They obliged and the only weed problem he had were tomato plants.

Posted by: Golfman at October 03, 2015 06:52 PM (48QDY)

84 An old neighbor had worked his way through college at the city sewage plant in Eastern Washington, and where the plant had overflowed a couple of times there was a flourishing self-seeding patch of tomatoes. His wife still claims they were the best tomatoes she could get at the time.

Mine, however grow from the rotten tomatoes I don't catch in time.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 03, 2015 06:56 PM (3pRHP)

85 Climbing hydrangea is in my opinion the king of vines. Little slow to start , but stand back and watch. And they love shade.
Luckily, I live in a rural area where fences are not needed. And thank God cause if someone had chain link fence with that crap on it, I would barf.

Posted by: RIK at October 03, 2015 06:56 PM (E8CN8)

86 I have feral everything. Growing all over the woods and field, tomato, pumpkin, watermelon, cantaloupe, but they eat the plant before they produce

Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 06:58 PM (R0rDw)

87 OG Celtic-American at October 03, 2015 05:43 PM

It looks like Meridian is in USDA Zone 6a. I don't think garlic will live over the winter there. You can plant it in the spring.

If the raised beds look like they contain mostly garden refuse with no perennial weeds, I would probably rototill in everything but the sunflower plant and seeds, or weed seeds. You might be able to do a quick cover crop of a grain to protect the soil during winter.

It would be great if you could set up a cold frame, especially if you have a place on the south or east side of the house. If there is an electrical outlet handy, you could add a heating cable under your plants, at least in one segment of the cold frame. They don't use much electricity and would prolong your harvest.

I have just done a list of extra-hardy salad greens. I expect that Y-not will be able to post it soon.

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 06:59 PM (qahv/)

88 pruning tools for the modern man
http://tinyurl.com/qgnstfw

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 03, 2015 07:00 PM (aLXXe)

89 Golfman, did y'all get crushed yesterday?

Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 07:00 PM (R0rDw)

90 Traye. 16 inches huh? Wow.

We seeded the sod field for overseed last Friday. Won't have to worry about tending to that for a week or so.

Posted by: Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:01 PM (48QDY)

91 89 Golfman, did y'all get crushed yesterday?
Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 07:00 PM (R0rDw)

3.5 inches since yesterday AM. Posted earlier boss's brother who lives on the course has had 8 inches this week. I lost track.

Posted by: Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:03 PM (48QDY)

92 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 03, 2015 07:00 PM (aLXXe)

That's an experienced Moron. Blending themes from thread to thread.

Posted by: Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:04 PM (48QDY)

93 Yep. Today is ten days in a row of rain, we had gotten over 8 before the storm, then yesterday, wow.

Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 07:05 PM (R0rDw)

94 Anyone know about Red Giant Mustard? Looks neat.

Posted by: Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:05 PM (48QDY)

95 In the humid east, they say hurricanes were the only Waldsterben before Europeans and their metals.

Posted by: Karl-Heinz Thorswald at October 03, 2015 07:07 PM (n/3Xe)

96 Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 07:05 PM (R0rDw)

Seems it was like this in about 2005. Not near as bad but two week of rain and no sun. I still have Junction on the shelf because greens got thin then and I told myself I would be prepared next time.

Posted by: Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:07 PM (48QDY)

97 Hops make a great ornamental for chain-link fencing.

Then you get to make make beer.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at October 03, 2015 07:09 PM (NB7me)

98 As I understand it: hybrid tomatoes often lose their hybridization in the seed stage and revert to a red cherry tomato.
We call them "volunteers", and find them to be good snacking.
Heirloom types will breed true, one reason for their popularity.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 03, 2015 07:11 PM (go6ud)

99 Anybody have any downsides? The tree is about 60 feet from the house and 30 feet from any other trees.

Posted by: Bruce at October 03, 2015 04:41 PM (8ikIW)

None. Woodpeckers gonna love u.
Trumpet vine is a nice perennial that will attracted hummers.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at October 03, 2015 07:11 PM (NB7me)

100 From Joe Bastardi it sounds like it's going to be a rough fall and winter for rain here.

Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 07:12 PM (R0rDw)

101 82- never tried that but for last few years a section of my garden gets a cold frame. At Christmas last two years had big full parsley plants but shortly before some little monster eats all the roots. That's why this year went for a large pot

Posted by: Skip at October 03, 2015 07:12 PM (HbCsM)

102 >>>*Some sources say that chain link fencing was actually first made in Norwich, England, in 1844.

wut? I thought Ahmad Mohammed invented the chain link fence last year.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 03, 2015 07:15 PM (O96tM)

103 100 From Joe Bastardi it sounds like it's going to be a rough fall and winter for rain here.
Posted by: traye at October 03, 2015 07:12 PM (R0rDw)

I'll try to make note.

I do know, I believe him more than the others.

Posted by: Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:15 PM (48QDY)

104 @101 That's why all the Democommies are so into endive. They know how to keep the monsters in the ghetto: it's called Socialisim.
The native energy is always consumed by interlopers, with no consent. Pretty much = their blue cities.

Posted by: Karl-Heinz Thorswald at October 03, 2015 07:15 PM (n/3Xe)

105 Socialism

Posted by: Karl-Heinz Thorswald at October 03, 2015 07:16 PM (n/3Xe)

106 Hot peppers looking fine, but the tomatoes were a bust this year due to torrential spring rains. No salsa for you! Will can the peppers anyway, and dry some.

Beets and turnips coming right along. Getting the rest of the garden cleared. 45 degrees and wet today. yuck.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at October 03, 2015 07:16 PM (NB7me)

107 Great tomato crop this year. Also have 4 big flat Dutch cabbages. Wife will make some kraut out of them in a week or two.

Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 07:21 PM (0qASP)

108
Jealous of all the rain you all are getting on the 'RightCoast'!

The drought deepens here in the ArkLaTex.

The Golden Rod seems impervious and is bursting into its fall glory.

Temps are way down, though. So that's good...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at October 03, 2015 07:22 PM (4DCSq)

109 Kindltot at October 03, 2015 06:30 PM

Wow. What a project!

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 07:23 PM (qahv/)

110 The queen of the garden is an hymenopteran.
And her King reigns.
https://youtu.be/Y8R9ZPT2T-I
"He Reigns".
Num 6,24-6

Posted by: Karl-Heinz Thorswald at October 03, 2015 07:23 PM (n/3Xe)

111 Yes, glad you folks back East are getting the rain. Hope it's not too much though.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 03, 2015 07:25 PM (Ru0SO)

112 Getting very dry here. Trees losing leaves, mostly because it is so dry.

Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 07:27 PM (0qASP)

113 Joe comes on the local radio very often. He is a riot but knows more than anyone else you hear on media.

Posted by: Skip at October 03, 2015 07:28 PM (HbCsM)

114 The Newsboys were awesome with Peter Furler out front. They were awesome when he was on drums too. They were a very enjoyable group to see live.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at October 03, 2015 07:29 PM (CcpOY)

115 keena at October 03, 2015 06:48 PM

It could be just chance that you didn't get monarchs this year. Or it could be parasites, like tiny wasps.

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 07:31 PM (qahv/)

116 "Getting very dry here. "

Ron, when were there in July in south central Colorado/northern N.M. they'd had a good amount of rain. Creeks and rivers clearly out of the banks. Ya'll not get east of there?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 03, 2015 07:33 PM (Ru0SO)

117 Golfman at October 03, 2015 06:52 PM

Isn't Fort Bragg in Callifornia?

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 07:33 PM (qahv/)

118 From 'hey jackass'

'what is 34,452?'

I never knew there were so many morons in Chicago!

http://tinyurl.com/qboolhe

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at October 03, 2015 07:34 PM (NB7me)

119 Chipper guy coming Tues. Gonna cost $650 to chip all my limbs. Seems a little high, but I can't do it myself.

Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 07:35 PM (0qASP)

120 >>> Isn't Fort Bragg in Callifornia?

There is a town in California by that name, but Ft Bragg, NC is home to the 82nd Airborne division, nd a few other things.

Posted by: fluffy at October 03, 2015 07:36 PM (2iV3X)

121 Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 07:33 PM (qahv/)

There one there I do believe. However...

Posted by: Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:37 PM (48QDY)

122 "Chipper guy coming Tues. Gonna cost $650 to chip all my limbs. Seems a little high, but I can't do it myself."

That does sound high. Isn't he doing something with the chips?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 03, 2015 07:38 PM (Ru0SO)

123 "Supposedly Art Linkletter was a major fucking asshole in real life."

That was not my experience in real life. I knew him.

Posted by: navybrat at October 03, 2015 07:39 PM (ETxiG)

124 Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 07:35 PM (0qASP)

How about I come by with a match?

Posted by: Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:40 PM (48QDY)

125 Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:05 PM

Red Giant Mustard is really . . . mustardy. Probably tastes best in cool weather.

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 07:40 PM (qahv/)

126 Ricardo, we had too much rain in the Spring, just about the right amount during Summer, and then middle August until now, nothing to do any good.

Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 07:41 PM (0qASP)

127 In a way, I'm glad the trees are losing their leaves, particularly the huge black walnuts at either end of the yard .... because my larger wire antenna for ham radio use fell during the summer, and when all the trees are in full leaf it is futile to try to pull 100+ feet of wire up there, let alone the slingshot-and-rock-and-monofilament-and-masons-twine-and-3/8 rope nonsense that precedes the final act.
Now all I need an a non windy day - long shots with a slingshot are subject to amazing windage.
Maybe next weekend ....

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 03, 2015 07:42 PM (go6ud)

128 Chipper guy coming Tues. Gonna cost $650 to chip all my limbs. Seems a little high, but I can't do it myself.
Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 07:35 PM (0qASP)

Next time try calling a tree care service, if they are in the area doing a job they might knock down the cost because they don't have to travel far and won't have to climb any trees.

Unless you are re-creating Fargo. In which case that is a damned good price.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 03, 2015 07:43 PM (3pRHP)

129 125 Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:05 PM

Red Giant Mustard is really . . . mustardy. Probably tastes best in cool weather.
Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 07:40 PM (qahv/)

Thanks but looking for an ornamental. Biden (heh autocorrect for mistyping bored) with pansies and ornamental kale/cabbage. Looks neat.

Posted by: Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:44 PM (48QDY)

130 Ricardo, I get to keep all of the chips. I told him to put them in one pile and I will use them as needed.

Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 07:45 PM (0qASP)

131 sock_rat_eez at October 03, 2015 07:11 PM

What happens to F1 hybrid tomatoes when you let them go to seed is that the traits of their parents get all jumbled up in the new seeds. And if the tomato was cross-pollinated, it was likely by a cherry tomato, because they are more likely to cross-pollinate other tomatoes.

Whether from cherry traits of one of the hybrid's parents or from pollen from cross-pollination, the seeds that have genetics most like cherry tomatoes will survive better as volunteers, because they are often closer to wild tomatoes in their vigor.

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 07:46 PM (qahv/)

132 "Unless you are re-creating Fargo. In which case that is a damned good price."

Hehe.

Well, if Ron's got some business to take care I won't be one to pry.

*whistles walking away*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 03, 2015 07:47 PM (Ru0SO)

133 "Supposedly Art Linkletter was a major fucking asshole in real life.
I met him several times and He seemed nice. I was a State Park ranger in My youth and He would come to visit the Park I worked at.. Nice Man...

Posted by: donna at October 03, 2015 07:48 PM (hUdMz)

134 Golfman, the local VFD would be on you so fast, your head would spin. Neighbor to the South built a fire in a creek bed to cook hot dogs, and VFD was there before he could get dogs out of the package.

Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 07:49 PM (0qASP)

135 Cicero Kaboom! Kid at October 03, 2015 07:11 PM

Trumpet vine is beautiful, but it is very invasive. It can send runners underground long distances from the original plant.

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 07:51 PM (qahv/)

136 Art was a comedian at heart, and of course, for public consumption all the jokes were very clean.
In private he would tell risque jokes and that was hysterically funny just because they came from him and not a blue comic.

Posted by: navybrat at October 03, 2015 07:51 PM (ETxiG)

137 Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 07:49 PM (0qASP)

Maybe we are blessed more than we know here in NC.

http://bit.ly/1NcWwFa

We can get a burning permit in seconds.

Posted by: Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:54 PM (48QDY)

138 Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 07:51 PM (qahv/)

Right behind honeysuckle.

Posted by: Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:55 PM (48QDY)

139 Thanks, KT, you have clearly looked into this more than I, and what you say makes perfect sense, as well as aligning perfectly with my observations.

Which is old-school science (sans capital letters) as we understood it back in the pre Modren Man days.

Thanks again !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 03, 2015 07:56 PM (go6ud)

140 Kindltot, I live in the country, used to anyway, before the onslaught of people. No tree care service around me. I don't know the Fargo reference. I'm kind of dumb that way.

Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 07:56 PM (0qASP)

141
nood

Posted by: Soothsayer is the boss, that's who! at October 03, 2015 07:59 PM (2SXh/)

142 Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 07:56 PM (0qASP)

http://bit.ly/1QRh4kn

Good night Horde

Posted by: Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:59 PM (48QDY)

143
Finally moved to a decent part of town that bans them around homes and businesses. An amazing improvement.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 03, 2015 04:50 PM (kdS6q)

Snob snob snob snob, Snobbity snob, wonderful snob!

Posted by: Vikings in a diner at October 03, 2015 08:00 PM (yxw0r)

144 Golfman, yes you are blessed in NC.

Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 08:00 PM (0qASP)

145
I had hummingbirds yesterday, but none today.

They may be gone for the season... :-(

Posted by: Spun and Murky at October 03, 2015 08:00 PM (4DCSq)

146 As dry as we've been Ronster would probably have to wait until a snowfall to get a burning permit. As I recall its not real cheap to rent a decent chipper so that price is not too horrible if there is a good amount of limbs.

Posted by: PaleRider at October 03, 2015 08:02 PM (iA/+T)

147 Golfman at October 03, 2015 07:44 PM

I've grown it before. You can use Giant Red Mustard as an ornamental if you want. I don't think it is quite as hardy as the ornamental kales, but it is on my list of extra-hardy mustards.

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 08:03 PM (qahv/)

148 It could be just chance that you didn't get monarchs this year. Or it could be parasites, like tiny wasps.
Posted by: KT
---
We do have a monarch and a parasite. He's living in the Whitehouse.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 03, 2015 08:04 PM (O96tM)

149 OMG, I get the Fargo reference now.

Posted by: Ronster at October 03, 2015 08:06 PM (0qASP)

150 He got his jollies mocking children. How nice could he be?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 03, 2015 06:25 PM (O96tM)

Did you ever watch any of his shows? He related well to kids, and was able to get them to open up and act naturally while on camera. His shows ran on TV for decades.

IIRC he lost a college-age daughter to drugs.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 03, 2015 08:08 PM (0yhH4)

151 As an aside to the Art Linkletter clip above, perhaps you Morons recall the following:

Linkletter's daughter, Diane, committed suicide in 1969 by leaping from her apartment window. The editors at Rolling Stone, obviously not wanting to miss such an opportunity, entitled their article about her death "Kids Do The Darndest Things," thus establishing themselves as the funniest sick fucks in the gonzo-journo business.

Posted by: Cowboyneal at October 03, 2015 08:14 PM (cA3on)

152 true, re Linkletter's daughter .... if I remenber correctly, LSD made her think she could fly, and she tried it from a nearby window ... sad even 30+ years later.

aaaghh, I'ma have a drink to excise that memory ....

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 03, 2015 08:17 PM (go6ud)

153 And in actual gardening news, here at Peon Manor, I cut down some lilac bushes that were growing next to the foundation of the house, and threatening to become a problem. So I have stumps of six inches or so. I'm going to leave them over winter, and give them a good dose of Roundup when they send out green shoots in Spring.

And Winter arrived last evening. Afternoon, it got up better than 65�, come 6:00 P.M., north wind had sprung up, and temperature plummeted to just above the freezing point, where it has stayed all day today.

But my weed whacking and lawn mowing is mostly done, and if weather precludes me doing any more, I have enough done to be satisfied with the state of it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 03, 2015 08:23 PM (0yhH4)

154 I knew Roy Rogers could sing, but I didn't know that Trigger could dance.

Posted by: KT at October 03, 2015 08:55 PM (qahv/)

155 Still waiting on half of my fall garden. The radishes and carrots are up but the shallots are just sitting there and the onions are still in the mail.
On to comments.

Posted by: gingeroni at October 03, 2015 08:57 PM (baKy9)

156 Late blight got the tomatoes again this year. I planted two hybrid varieties that are supposed to be resistant but weren't. Rain just west of here is awful. Fifteen inches so far with two days of coming. Less than five at my house though. S/E coastal NC.

Posted by: Agitator at October 03, 2015 09:23 PM (TXbZl)

157 It's been a great weather year for gardens in the Twin Cities. I really didn't water all that much and my yields are wonderful. Much canning is done, and more to come because the tomatoes and peppers continue to produce. We dug some potatoes and carrots and Beets and the wife made roasted root veggies. Oh my, so good.

Posted by: Gordon at October 03, 2015 09:30 PM (fKhwq)

158 Agitator, I had good luck this year with grafted tomatoes from Territorial Seed. The rootstock is very vigorous and has somewhat higher resistance to some diseases. I did have some blight this year, but I cut it out whenever I saw it and the plants just threw out more branches. If you order the chocolate cherry variety, be sure to give it lots of room, because it will spread out like crazy and give you hundreds and hundreds of delicious dark fruits. They make a really great salsa.

Posted by: Gordon at October 03, 2015 09:41 PM (fKhwq)

159 I planted my garden half in kale and half in winter rye intending to use it as green manure. But if the kale comes in that would be nice. It better hurry.

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