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Jeb Bush, the Allegedly Smart, Safe, Wonk-ish Establishment Choice, Mumbles Another Gaffe
He asked why we need to spend "half a billion dollars a year on women's health," and is drawing all sorts of fire, for which he doesn't seem prepared for return-fire.
His intent, I assume, was to question the subsidies for Planned Parenthood, but wound up questioning money spent on women's health, period. Which, frankly, might turn out to be the same damn thing (I kinda suspect that "women's health" is largely a euphemism for "abortions"), but his actual statement was politically inept."Conservatives aren't happy," said a GOP strategist close to a rival campaign. "He just set the entire movement back with a gaffe that conflated the horrific videos at Planned Parenthood with women’s health. This, at a time when even some Democrats in Congress were feeling the pressure to vote to defund Planned Parenthood."I don't mind the sentiment -- any "Why are we spending so much?" question is one I like -- but he's just not coming off as the "Smarter Bush" we were promised. AllahPundit writes of him privately, allegedly calling Trump a "buffoon," a "clown," and an "asshole," and makes a lot of good points in his post. Basically: If we're going to have an amnesty-shilling Establishment bore shoved down our throats -- why the old, mumblestumble white guy, rather than the sharp, dashing young Cuban guy? And why the hell didn't Jeb Bush show some passion when Trump made a crude crack about him having to love illegals, because of his wife? Why not publicly show some ire? The entire political class is so robotic and bloodless. And dishonest. And passive-aggressive. None of these are masculine traits, and the GOP is a party that favors masculine virtues. Our female voters, too, favor masculine virtues. Not this programmed, bloodless eunuch stuff. Ah well. It doesn't matter anyway, the country is doomed. Oh, and Hot Air just put up this story: For Some Republicans, a Trump Victory Looks Increasingly Possible. Yeah, that's my take. The only reason Trump can't win the nomination, so far, is that it's "unthinkable" that he should do so; and yet, he's way out in front. Here's how out in front he is: A week ago we heard from his wife's divorce paper that Trump had attacked her and sexually assaulted her in a way she likened to rape, then his spokesman came out and said, amazingly, that it is simply legally impossible for a husband to rape his wife. That is definitionally retrograde: The law has not been such for like 30 years. And yet -- this still doesn't seem to give Trump's supporters any pause about his electability. So, the "unthinkable" is something everyone should start thinking about. The simple problem is that that the base now hates the GOP, because, pretty clearly, the GOP hates the base. The GOP has no goodwill left. None at all. Not after Mississippi, not after the Corker sell-out, not after the continuing resolution sell-out, not after the amnesty sell-out, not after the Obamacare sell-outs. Not a single thing the GOP says to me matters to me, personally, at all, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that. So GOP people saying things like You can't possibly vote for Trump, it's unthinkable cuts absolutely no ice. We're simply not in a political alliance any longer. I formally resigned from the party, and as you can tell, I think, I'm not bluffing. I am done. Done, done, done. The party, meanwhile, has treated its own voters as enemies to be destroyed. And they're surprised people are now willing to do just about anything to destroy them? Correction: Wow, this one was bad. I mis-read the article AllahPundit cited and came away with the bizarrely stupid idea that we spend one trillion per year on women's health. That figure is for all health care.
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George: Wait, my brother called me an idiot?
Posted by: David Letterman's intern at August 06, 2015 01:53 PM (VcOqI)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 06, 2015 01:53 PM (7ObY1)
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Read my lips: Jeb Bush is a piece of shit.
Posted by: David Letterman's intern at August 06, 2015 01:53 PM (VcOqI)
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It's my turn, rubes.
Posted by: Jeb! at August 06, 2015 01:53 PM (Vf5rR)
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Just go away Jeb...
Posted by: donna at August 06, 2015 01:54 PM (hUdMz)
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And why the hell didn't Jeb Bush show some passion when Trump made a crude crack about him having to love illegals, because of his wife? Why not publicly show some ire?
Because he hasn't adjusted to the Obama era. Punish your enemies, partisan warfare, passive-aggressive douchebaggery.
There's no statesmanlike respect anymore. That stuff was prized and remarked upon by pundits and journalists back in the day.
Now, the only virtue is being a Democrat.
Because he hasn't adjusted to the Obama era. Punish your enemies, partisan warfare, passive-aggressive douchebaggery.
There's no statesmanlike respect anymore. That stuff was prized and remarked upon by pundits and journalists back in the day.
Now, the only virtue is being a Democrat.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 06, 2015 01:54 PM (b65cm)
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Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 06, 2015 01:55 PM (kff5f)
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No more Bush
Posted by: brak at August 06, 2015 01:55 PM (Tj+s6)
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Let's at least roast some goddamned marshmallows as it burns.
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 06, 2015 01:55 PM (VcOqI)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 06, 2015 01:55 PM (dhHd4)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 06, 2015 01:55 PM (kff5f)
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If you rubes want a republican president you have to nominate Jeb or my son!
Posted by: Jon Huntsman Sr at August 06, 2015 01:55 PM (HstNY)
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Just one more thing about Jeb: If he disagrees with you, he is a condescending, self-righteous, pretentious asshole.
At least Rubio respects your point of view. Or pretends to.
At least Rubio respects your point of view. Or pretends to.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 06, 2015 01:56 PM (b65cm)
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 01:56 PM (XIXZz)
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A week ago we heard from his wife's divorce paper that Trump had attacked her and sexually assaulted her in a way she likened to rape, then his spokesman came out and said, amazingly, that it is simply legally impossible for a husband to rape his wife.
Well, it also helped that his wife came out immediately after and endorsed him.
Well, it also helped that his wife came out immediately after and endorsed him.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 06, 2015 01:56 PM (kff5f)
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I think the half-billion number is how much Planned Parenthood gets in subsidies. Not 100% sure, but that's what I thought Jeb was talking about when he threw out that figure.
Posted by: joefl65 at August 06, 2015 01:57 PM (UFV5W)
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I hope they got a big enough clown car for tonight...
Posted by: donna at August 06, 2015 01:57 PM (hUdMz)
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Disclaimer- I support Trump from a "Burn it down" standpoint. Not because I think he'd make a good, or even adequate, president.
That said, before we start slamming him for his moral failings, let's look at what BHO got away with for 9 years.
That said, before we start slamming him for his moral failings, let's look at what BHO got away with for 9 years.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 06, 2015 01:57 PM (kff5f)
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Is this stupid Clinton/Bush thing because people secretly want monarchy, or is it because Americans are raised from birth to be brand loyal? There's gotta be a reason we're getting this shitty choice rammed down our throats. I'm probably not a deep enough thinker to figure it out, of course.
Posted by: Chupacabras at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (XiVKO)
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It doesn't matter anyway, the country is doomed.
That's my personal political philosophy. I am thinking instead on how to make the next country better.
That's my personal political philosophy. I am thinking instead on how to make the next country better.
Posted by: V the K at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (O7MnT)
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Its my turn, and you extremists know it!
And if you don't support me, you are no better than ISIS.
And if you don't support me, you are no better than ISIS.
Posted by: El Jeb!! Prince of Wales at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (hKyl0)
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It doesn't matter anyway, the country is doomed.
I put my faith in a dollar bill,
But the dollar bill blew away,
But the sun is shining down on me,
and it's here to stay ...
So I just want to celebrate, another day of living ...
I put my faith in a dollar bill,
But the dollar bill blew away,
But the sun is shining down on me,
and it's here to stay ...
So I just want to celebrate, another day of living ...
Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (qOsoH)
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All these other candidates talk like a fag and their shit's all retarded.
I swear, I would vote for President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho if I could in 2016, just to send us to hell a bit faster.
All these other candidates talk like a fag and their shit's all retarded.
I swear, I would vote for President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho if I could in 2016, just to send us to hell a bit faster.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (XIXZz)
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Rubio's Garbage is about to get the Paolo treatment.
Posted by: Garrett at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (2IEVZ)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 06, 2015 01:59 PM (IN7k+)
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And why the hell didn't Jeb Bush show some passion when Trump made a crude crack about him having to love illegals, because of his wife? Why not publicly show some ire?
Posted by: Ace
Passivity works -- as long as you don't get all pushy about it.
Posted by: Michael "Rape my Wife -- Please" Dukakis
And why the hell didn't Jeb Bush show some passion when Trump made a crude crack about him having to love illegals, because of his wife? Why not publicly show some ire?
Posted by: Ace
Passivity works -- as long as you don't get all pushy about it.
Posted by: Michael "Rape my Wife -- Please" Dukakis
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 06, 2015 01:59 PM (kdS6q)
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So George was the eloquent one?
If Trump wins the nod...good. This party deserves it.
Trump = Slim Pickens
GOP = The Bomb
If Trump wins the nod...good. This party deserves it.
Trump = Slim Pickens
GOP = The Bomb
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 01:59 PM (75gXb)
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(apparently we spend a trillion a year on "women's health")
Out of a $3.8 trillion budget? Seems implausible unless "we" includes insurance companies and private expenditures.
None of these are masculine traits, and the GOP is a party that favors masculine virtues.
Traditionally, yes. We need more P.J. O'Rourke Republicans.
(apparently we spend a trillion a year on "women's health")
Out of a $3.8 trillion budget? Seems implausible unless "we" includes insurance companies and private expenditures.
None of these are masculine traits, and the GOP is a party that favors masculine virtues.
Traditionally, yes. We need more P.J. O'Rourke Republicans.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, team Lefty and Scamp at August 06, 2015 01:59 PM (JtwS4)
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One day at a time yall.
Posted by: freaked at August 06, 2015 01:59 PM (qqCQZ)
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>>Yeah, that's my take. The only reason Trump can't win the nomination, so far, is that it's "unthinkable" that he should do so; and yet, he's way out in front.
I'll be more convinced when I see he has some semblance of an organization. No doubt he is tapping into the national anger but I wonder how he translates that into actual votes.
I'll be more convinced when I see he has some semblance of an organization. No doubt he is tapping into the national anger but I wonder how he translates that into actual votes.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2015 02:00 PM (OGm46)
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>>>>apparently we spend a trillion a year on "women's health"
Uh, check your math. Our entire federal budget is only $3.8 trillion.
Unless, of course they're being literal here. Then yes, maybe $1 trillion is spent on "womens health" if you include women that spend money on their health in that calculation.
Uh, check your math. Our entire federal budget is only $3.8 trillion.
Unless, of course they're being literal here. Then yes, maybe $1 trillion is spent on "womens health" if you include women that spend money on their health in that calculation.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:00 PM (AkOaV)
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"No reason to get excited"
The thief, he kindly spoke
"There are many here among us
Who feel that life is but a joke"
"But you and I, we've been through that
And this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now
The hour is getting late."
The thief, he kindly spoke
"There are many here among us
Who feel that life is but a joke"
"But you and I, we've been through that
And this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now
The hour is getting late."
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 06, 2015 02:00 PM (YqcVw)
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i added a little rant at the end.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:00 PM (dciA+)
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Bush saying that about Trump really does not bother me. Trump is a big boy. What really irks me is that he wouldnever say the same about Obama or Hillary who deserve it a thousand times more. It's what I hate about McCain as well.
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 06, 2015 02:00 PM (OD2ni)
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I was born with a silver spoon up my ass and I will reach for and grab the brass ring on the carousel to win the nomination. I will be the most admired and ethical president in the history of the nation.
I was born with a silver spoon up my ass and I will reach for and grab the brass ring on the carousel to win the nomination. I will be the most admired and ethical president in the history of the nation.
Posted by: Jebby the Hut at August 06, 2015 02:00 PM (OiFtZ)
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Paolo doesn't like bush.
Posted by: Tommygun411 at August 06, 2015 02:00 PM (nnytq)
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The only reason Trump can't win the nomination, so far, is that it's "unthinkable" that he should do so; and yet, he's way out in front.
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I'll never say never again. I said the country wasn't stupid enough to vote for an incompetent nobody just 'cuz he's half-black, and then I said they aren't stupid enough to do it twice.
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I'll never say never again. I said the country wasn't stupid enough to vote for an incompetent nobody just 'cuz he's half-black, and then I said they aren't stupid enough to do it twice.
Posted by: Roy at August 06, 2015 02:01 PM (VndSC)
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Trumps popularity is so easily explainable.
Our lives are controlled from cradle to grave by politicians, we are sick of mendacious crap weasel politicians.
Trump is not a politician, doesn't speak like a politician and though he's a billionaire he seems, seems, like one of us.
He gets angry like we do, he brags like we do.
G-d willing he is real because from what I'm seeing from this pathetic field he may be our only hope.
Our lives are controlled from cradle to grave by politicians, we are sick of mendacious crap weasel politicians.
Trump is not a politician, doesn't speak like a politician and though he's a billionaire he seems, seems, like one of us.
He gets angry like we do, he brags like we do.
G-d willing he is real because from what I'm seeing from this pathetic field he may be our only hope.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 06, 2015 02:01 PM (JbETL)
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I swear, I would vote for President Dwayne Elizondo
Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho if I could in 2016, just to send us to hell
a bit faster.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (XIXZz)
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That's not fair to President Dwayne Elizondo
Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, because he realized the country was screwed and tried to fix it.
Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho if I could in 2016, just to send us to hell
a bit faster.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (XIXZz)
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That's not fair to President Dwayne Elizondo
Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, because he realized the country was screwed and tried to fix it.
Posted by: Penfold at August 06, 2015 02:02 PM (Fbt5B)
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Trump's a rapist?
C'mon, you wanna attack the guy at least keep it in the realm of plausibility, divorce bullshit notwithstanding.
And hm-mm, lessee, we're broke by orders of magnitude, illegals are remaking and redefining our national heritage, we're an international punch line and our government lies about ALL OF IT.
I know my main priority, Trump's finesse in the bedroom.
C'mon, you wanna attack the guy at least keep it in the realm of plausibility, divorce bullshit notwithstanding.
And hm-mm, lessee, we're broke by orders of magnitude, illegals are remaking and redefining our national heritage, we're an international punch line and our government lies about ALL OF IT.
I know my main priority, Trump's finesse in the bedroom.
Posted by: Kate58 at August 06, 2015 02:02 PM (MvtKs)
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"Rubio's Garbage is about to get the Paolo treatment."
I would prefer to give Mrs. Rubio the Paolo treatment.
"Rubio's Garbage is about to get the Paolo treatment."
I would prefer to give Mrs. Rubio the Paolo treatment.
Posted by: Paolo at August 06, 2015 02:02 PM (OD2ni)
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Well, it also helped that his wife came out immediately after and endorsed him.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 06, 2015 01:56 PM (kff5f)
I'm amazed that a woman would lie in divorce proceedings when millions are at stake...
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Derringer Bandit at August 06, 2015 01:56 PM (kff5f)
I'm amazed that a woman would lie in divorce proceedings when millions are at stake...
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:02 PM (ZDJwC)
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>>Uh, check your math. Our entire federal budget is only $3.8 trillion.
trillion, billion, potato, potato.
trillion, billion, potato, potato.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2015 02:02 PM (OGm46)
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Help us, Governor Kasich! You're our only hope!!! /s
Posted by: DangerGirl: Hardliner, Reactionary and All-Around Wackobird at August 06, 2015 02:02 PM (TUUTu)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at August 06, 2015 02:02 PM (1hM1d)
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apparently we spend a trillion a year on "women's health"
I'm going to need the Voxplained to me.
I'm going to need the Voxplained to me.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:03 PM (evdj2)
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That's not fair to President Dwayne Elizondo
Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, because he realized the country was screwed and tried to fix it.
It's got electrolytes!
Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, because he realized the country was screwed and tried to fix it.
It's got electrolytes!
Posted by: donna at August 06, 2015 02:03 PM (hUdMz)
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trillion, billion, potato, potato.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2015 02:02 PM (OGm46)
I think Jeb said we spend half a BILLION a year ($500 million) which is about what PP gets from the treasury, IIRC.
$1 TRILLION is a very different number than $500 MILLION and I think Jeb's numbers were correct (or at least close to it)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2015 02:02 PM (OGm46)
I think Jeb said we spend half a BILLION a year ($500 million) which is about what PP gets from the treasury, IIRC.
$1 TRILLION is a very different number than $500 MILLION and I think Jeb's numbers were correct (or at least close to it)
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:03 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: WifehunterPaolo at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: CuckJEB! at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (BmnL5)
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>>>None of these are masculine traits, and the GOP is a party that favors
masculine virtues. <<<
You'd think that. But we actually have no problem at all being made to look like Obama or Dingy Harry's bitches.
Seriously... men like to win. What have we ever won against SCOAMF or the Senate Cyclops? And not in the "convince ourselves that some convoluted scheme was a big win" victory (see: Corker Iran bill). I mean a legitimate win, where we didn't end up bending over for the JEF, and he had his way with us without lube?
Never happened. Never going to. The only thing we actually favor are crony kickbacks, campaign contributions, or promises of coushy jobs when we get out of office.
>>>None of these are masculine traits, and the GOP is a party that favors
masculine virtues. <<<
You'd think that. But we actually have no problem at all being made to look like Obama or Dingy Harry's bitches.
Seriously... men like to win. What have we ever won against SCOAMF or the Senate Cyclops? And not in the "convince ourselves that some convoluted scheme was a big win" victory (see: Corker Iran bill). I mean a legitimate win, where we didn't end up bending over for the JEF, and he had his way with us without lube?
Never happened. Never going to. The only thing we actually favor are crony kickbacks, campaign contributions, or promises of coushy jobs when we get out of office.
Posted by: Agent Orange and Turtle Power at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (4SpVz)
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The only thing---the ONLY thing---that can cut through the donor class' money, is celebrity. It is the dominant force in American life now. Trumps been on TV for years as a quasi-celebrity, and he's so over the top, with his hair and his "yoooge" dialect, he can bring the donor class down. Problem is, he's politically aligned with them, and has no notable policy differences from them.
The only thing---the ONLY thing---that can cut through the donor class' money, is celebrity. It is the dominant force in American life now. Trumps been on TV for years as a quasi-celebrity, and he's so over the top, with his hair and his "yoooge" dialect, he can bring the donor class down. Problem is, he's politically aligned with them, and has no notable policy differences from them.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (XIXZz)
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-- (apparently we spend a trillion a year on "women's health") --
You must be including private expenditures, and you *know* the Left doesn't consider them part of the package. All Good Things Must Come From The Almighty Government!
You must be including private expenditures, and you *know* the Left doesn't consider them part of the package. All Good Things Must Come From The Almighty Government!
Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (d2g9U)
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If Trump gets the nomination and picks Fioreni or Cruz as VP, will they be like Cheaney was to Bush II?
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (xVgrA)
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Let's see, $1 trillion divided by approximately 160 million women ....
What the hell is going inside those vajajays?
What the hell is going inside those vajajays?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (OGm46)
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>>>Out of a $3.8 trillion budget? Seems implausible unless "we" includes insurance companies and private expenditures.
yeah i blew this big-time and have corrected.
apologies for the Matthew Yglesias Learning Adventure.
yeah i blew this big-time and have corrected.
apologies for the Matthew Yglesias Learning Adventure.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (dciA+)
57
National Review increasingly showing their out and out hatred for Trump supporters sure doesn't help.
Posted by: Crude at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (DUynq)
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Not after Mississippi, not after the Corker sell-out, not after the continuing resolution sell-out, not after the amnesty sell-out, not after the Obamacare sell-outs.
*cough*
*cough*
Posted by: Unlimited Debt Ceiling at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (evdj2)
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And they're surprised people are now willing to do just about anything to destroy them?
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Remember all the pixels we spilled arguing about how the Democrats were worse some 8 years ago?
Fuck we were dumb.
Name one thing staying loyal to and voting for the Republican party has accomplished in the last 8 years?
One fucking conservative thing they have done in 8 years?
NOTHING!
Anyway, aren't they overdue for another sham theatrical pretend and meaningless vote to repeal Obamacare?
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Remember all the pixels we spilled arguing about how the Democrats were worse some 8 years ago?
Fuck we were dumb.
Name one thing staying loyal to and voting for the Republican party has accomplished in the last 8 years?
One fucking conservative thing they have done in 8 years?
NOTHING!
Anyway, aren't they overdue for another sham theatrical pretend and meaningless vote to repeal Obamacare?
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (ZvKdv)
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Trump can go fuck himself.
If you hate the GOP so much you'd support a red-faced, sputtering, faux conservative like Trump, you hate your country, too.
I'm certainly not saying we should nominate an establishment prick like Bush or Rubio, but can we at least nominate a serious politician like Cruz or Paul?
Supporting Trump is the same as supporting Hillary Clinton - because he is going to lose the general by a BIG margin.
If you hate the GOP so much you'd support a red-faced, sputtering, faux conservative like Trump, you hate your country, too.
I'm certainly not saying we should nominate an establishment prick like Bush or Rubio, but can we at least nominate a serious politician like Cruz or Paul?
Supporting Trump is the same as supporting Hillary Clinton - because he is going to lose the general by a BIG margin.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (9YRwm)
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You are not alone, ace. Save for very few, Cotton, Cruz, Gowdy, come to mind, fuck the rest. Fuck the party. Fuck their money men. Fuck their press. etc. All of them. With a pineapple. Sideways. Repeatedly. Forever or until this country is back to some semblance of what it was 30 years ago, whichever is later.
Posted by: Senator Robert Menendez at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (g1MTt)
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Oh how far the Republican party has fallen since Newt Gingrich forced Bill Clinton to say Uncle on welfare reform and other important matters. Get ready for President Sanders.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (DvjOK)
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i added a little rant at the end.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:00 PM (dciA+)
"That is definitionally retrograde: The law has not been such for like 30 years."
Report immediately to your local reeducation center.
i added a little rant at the end.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:00 PM (dciA+)
"That is definitionally retrograde: The law has not been such for like 30 years."
Report immediately to your local reeducation center.
Posted by: CAIR (totally not terrorist sympathizers) at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: el Marco Rubio, wasting away in Deland at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (8CdUx)
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The only thing---the ONLY thing---that can cut through the donor class' money, is celebrity. It is the dominant force in American life now. Trumps been on TV for years as a quasi-celebrity, and he's so over the top, with his hair and his "yoooge" dialect, he can bring the donor class down. Problem is, he's politically aligned with them, and has no notable policy differences from them.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (XIXZz)
Trump is literally a reality TV star.
We need to embrace what the left has long since embraced: most people are LIVs, and shit like "reality TV star" will give Trump a lot more credibility and name recognition with the LIVs then "former governor from Florida wayyy the fuck back in 2007, who also happens to be the brother of the evil, despised BOOOOOSSSH"
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (XIXZz)
Trump is literally a reality TV star.
We need to embrace what the left has long since embraced: most people are LIVs, and shit like "reality TV star" will give Trump a lot more credibility and name recognition with the LIVs then "former governor from Florida wayyy the fuck back in 2007, who also happens to be the brother of the evil, despised BOOOOOSSSH"
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:06 PM (AkOaV)
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I don't know about billions for some broad's healthcare or whatever, but I only paid Jeb $2.00 to smell my fingers after I pulled them outta my ass.
Maybe he was still dazzled by my aroma.
Vote Trump!2016....because I pay bitches like Jeb but I don't vote for them.
Maybe he was still dazzled by my aroma.
Vote Trump!2016....because I pay bitches like Jeb but I don't vote for them.
Posted by: Donald Trump at August 06, 2015 02:06 PM (D0NZx)
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We're simply not in a political alliance any longer. I formally resigned
from the party, and as you can tell, I think, I'm not bluffing. I am done. Done, done, done.
That's what you tell yourself. But, deep down inside, you still think of yourself as GOP:
None of these are masculine traits, and the GOP is a party that favors
masculine virtues. Our female voters, too, favor masculine virtues. Not
this programmed, bloodless eunuch stuff.
It's tough to really turn your back on them because right at the moment, there is no better alternative. I wish someone would do something about that.
from the party, and as you can tell, I think, I'm not bluffing. I am done. Done, done, done.
That's what you tell yourself. But, deep down inside, you still think of yourself as GOP:
None of these are masculine traits, and the GOP is a party that favors
masculine virtues. Our female voters, too, favor masculine virtues. Not
this programmed, bloodless eunuch stuff.
It's tough to really turn your back on them because right at the moment, there is no better alternative. I wish someone would do something about that.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 06, 2015 02:06 PM (IN7k+)
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OK, that crack about hating your country went over the line.
I take that one back and apologize for it.
I take that one back and apologize for it.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:06 PM (9YRwm)
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If you hate the GOP so much you'd support a red-faced, sputtering, faux conservative like Trump, you hate your country, too.
I'm certainly not saying we should nominate an establishment prick like Bush or Rubio, but can we at least nominate a serious politician like Cruz or Paul?
Supporting Trump is the same as supporting Hillary Clinton - because he is going to lose the general by a BIG margin.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (9YRwm)
Already with this crap?
I'm certainly not saying we should nominate an establishment prick like Bush or Rubio, but can we at least nominate a serious politician like Cruz or Paul?
Supporting Trump is the same as supporting Hillary Clinton - because he is going to lose the general by a BIG margin.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (9YRwm)
Already with this crap?
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:07 PM (AkOaV)
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Gowdy, Cruz and the like are the reason I can't quite give up on the GOP yet. But they need to take over the congressional leadership sooner rather than later.
Posted by: Idiocracy was a documentary at August 06, 2015 02:07 PM (FdTDf)
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If you hate the GOP so much you'd support a red-faced, sputtering, faux conservative like Trump, you hate your country, too.
Vote for us, you inbred slackjawed cousin humpers!
Vote for us, you inbred slackjawed cousin humpers!
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:07 PM (evdj2)
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I swear, I would vote for President Dwayne Elizondo
Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho if I could in 2016, just to send us to hell
a bit faster.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (XIXZz)
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That's not fair to President Dwayne Elizondo
Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, because he realized the country was screwed and tried to fix it.
Posted by: Penfold at August 06, 2015 02:02 PM (Fbt5B)
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I'd vote for him in heartbeat, shooting my machine gun all the way.
Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho if I could in 2016, just to send us to hell
a bit faster.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (XIXZz)
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That's not fair to President Dwayne Elizondo
Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, because he realized the country was screwed and tried to fix it.
Posted by: Penfold at August 06, 2015 02:02 PM (Fbt5B)
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I'd vote for him in heartbeat, shooting my machine gun all the way.
Posted by: Ken at August 06, 2015 02:07 PM (LXJ1e)
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A healthy va jay jay is worth a trillion, Ace.
A healthy va jay jay is worth a trillion, Ace.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 06, 2015 02:07 PM (iQIUe)
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So $1 Trillion on women's health. Even if we are talking about all money spent in the US on women's health $1T out of a $18T GDP means that >5% of our GDP is on women's health? Seems fishy.
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (ZDJwC)
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68 OK, that crack about hating your country went over the line.
I take that one back and apologize for it.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:06 PM (9YRwm)
jeez, usually that line isn't trotted out until near the end of the nomination process.
I take that one back and apologize for it.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:06 PM (9YRwm)
jeez, usually that line isn't trotted out until near the end of the nomination process.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Zombie Robert Byrd at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (XMDuf)
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Jeb Bush! Hah! What chump!
He's not half as rich as me. He can't even buy a pair of pants.
I'm so rich, it's unbelievable!
He's not half as rich as me. He can't even buy a pair of pants.
I'm so rich, it's unbelievable!
Posted by: Donald at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (laMCB)
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>>>>Supporting Trump is the same as supporting Hillary Clinton - because he is going to lose the general by a BIG margin.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (9YRwm)
So the argument is no longer 'this guy is the most electable.' It's now, 'this guy will lose the LEAST.'
This Fuckin' Party.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (9YRwm)
So the argument is no longer 'this guy is the most electable.' It's now, 'this guy will lose the LEAST.'
This Fuckin' Party.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (75gXb)
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Sorry to go off topic, but I live in a Detroit suburb and our local news has had stories saying the residents of Dearborn are upset because there have been FBI surveillance planes flying over their neighborhoods, Dearborn is close to our main airport so how could anybody differentiate an FBI plane from normal air traffic? The FBI admitted they are monitoring the area. It is heavily Muslim.
Posted by: Chilling the most at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (gTTwk)
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As long as Trump and Cruz kick GOPe asses there is hope.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (7GI9v)
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okay, after some serious back-filling and actually bothering to read the article (what an idea), this post is now actually presentable and makes sense.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (dciA+)
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Yeah, the campaign theory "Jeb Bush: At Least He Won't Surprise You" just doesn't make me want to leap up and pull the lever for Jeb. It's like getting excited about a two-day old cod.
Posted by: joncelli, Penis Monster at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (RD7QR)
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Gowdy, Cruz and the like are the reason I can't quite give up on the GOP yet.
If Jeff Sessions went Independent (and he could, he was unopposed last election) I'd be able to shake the last dust of the GOP from my sandals.
If Jeff Sessions went Independent (and he could, he was unopposed last election) I'd be able to shake the last dust of the GOP from my sandals.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (evdj2)
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Well, Herman Cain was really popular last go around before the media went full-tilt to get him off the ballot. Showed how much they feared him.
They did the same to Trump and, to his credit, he didn't back down. They went after his business dealings and he's probably lost a small fortune just from that. As disastrous as a Trump presidency might be, we've spent 8 years in an Obama one that has gotten worse in his second term.
They did the same to Trump and, to his credit, he didn't back down. They went after his business dealings and he's probably lost a small fortune just from that. As disastrous as a Trump presidency might be, we've spent 8 years in an Obama one that has gotten worse in his second term.
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (Z3HgI)
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Already with this crap?
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:07 PM (AkOaV)
Yeah. If Trump is the nominee, you're on your own.
I was going to vote third party if Jeb were the nominee, so I sure as hell don't mind doing so if it's Trump.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:07 PM (AkOaV)
Yeah. If Trump is the nominee, you're on your own.
I was going to vote third party if Jeb were the nominee, so I sure as hell don't mind doing so if it's Trump.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (9YRwm)
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If you hate the GOP so much you'd support a red-faced, sputtering, faux conservative like Trump, you hate your country, too.
I'm certainly not saying we should nominate an establishment prick like Bush or Rubio, but can we at least nominate a serious politician like Cruz or Paul?
Supporting Trump is the same as supporting Hillary Clinton - because he is going to lose the general by a BIG margin.
Posted by: DRayRaven
Concern status: noted.
Listen, No one cares anymore. Hillary is not the magic bugaboo that makes everyone fall in line. She's a semi-senile old drunk bitch. She's not going to actively fuck us the way obama did, and I will literally vote for her before I would vote for El Hebbe.
If you hate the GOP so much you'd support a red-faced, sputtering, faux conservative like Trump, you hate your country, too.
I'm certainly not saying we should nominate an establishment prick like Bush or Rubio, but can we at least nominate a serious politician like Cruz or Paul?
Supporting Trump is the same as supporting Hillary Clinton - because he is going to lose the general by a BIG margin.
Posted by: DRayRaven
Concern status: noted.
Listen, No one cares anymore. Hillary is not the magic bugaboo that makes everyone fall in line. She's a semi-senile old drunk bitch. She's not going to actively fuck us the way obama did, and I will literally vote for her before I would vote for El Hebbe.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (XIXZz)
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74 So $1 Trillion on women's health. Even if we are talking about all money spent in the US on women's health $1T out of a $18T GDP means that >5% of our GDP is on women's health? Seems fishy.
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (ZDJwC)
I could believe that though. They say healthcare spending is around 17% of our entire GDP. And females make up half the population...
http://tinyurl.com/2vmh66c
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (ZDJwC)
I could believe that though. They say healthcare spending is around 17% of our entire GDP. And females make up half the population...
http://tinyurl.com/2vmh66c
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (AkOaV)
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Meh. He didn't say it particularly well but conservatives are fine with the statement in concept. We are spending too much on health care period at the federal level, and that includes for women. There's nothing magical about women that they deserve special spending or protection from cuts.
Even if the tits are calm.
Even if the tits are calm.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (39g3+)
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Ace says he has resigned from the Republican Party.
Serious question:
How does one know what party one belongs to?
When I turned 18 and became a voter, I was still a flaming liberal, so in theory I imagine that I am a "Democrat," because I have no memory of ever "changing parties" or anything like that.
Then again, I have no memory of ever "registering as a Democrat" in the first place.
How does one get classified as a D or an R? Do you fill out a form somewhere? When? Where?
And how would one formally disavow this classification?
Or maybe it's only certain states that do this, and not California, where I reside?
Serious question:
How does one know what party one belongs to?
When I turned 18 and became a voter, I was still a flaming liberal, so in theory I imagine that I am a "Democrat," because I have no memory of ever "changing parties" or anything like that.
Then again, I have no memory of ever "registering as a Democrat" in the first place.
How does one get classified as a D or an R? Do you fill out a form somewhere? When? Where?
And how would one formally disavow this classification?
Or maybe it's only certain states that do this, and not California, where I reside?
Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (jBuUi)
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Here's my two centavos:
The GOP needs to either embrace its conservative base, its roots, or die. and be replaced by a truly conservative substitute.
If a true conservative cannot win the GOP nomination, then I say let it be Trump. Why?
Because he will either sail to victory, or be the GOP's death knell.
Either way, what is left of the GOP "establishment" will be burned to the ground.
The GOP needs to either embrace its conservative base, its roots, or die. and be replaced by a truly conservative substitute.
If a true conservative cannot win the GOP nomination, then I say let it be Trump. Why?
Because he will either sail to victory, or be the GOP's death knell.
Either way, what is left of the GOP "establishment" will be burned to the ground.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (wtvvX)
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I'm not a lawyer, but I know people who are divorce lawyers. As a group, I don't think highly of them. Lots of inflammatory stuff gets put into divorce papers that may be a exaggeration or even lies. So, could Trump have raped his wife-yes, which would be a terrible thing. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he has anger issues. However, i believe that she came out and backpedalled on the rape thing and then endorsed him. If your husband had raped you, I don't think you'd be endorsing him for President.
And no, I am not a supporter of Trump in that I don't want him as President, I still support Walker . I agree with some of the things he's said. He's doing so well because the other candidates are, as you said, Ace- bloodless and Trump has tapped into a lot of anger people and that the truth about so many issues is not being addressed.
And no, I am not a supporter of Trump in that I don't want him as President, I still support Walker . I agree with some of the things he's said. He's doing so well because the other candidates are, as you said, Ace- bloodless and Trump has tapped into a lot of anger people and that the truth about so many issues is not being addressed.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 02:10 PM (OSs/l)
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This thread needs giant novelty flyswatters.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 02:10 PM (/kI1Q)
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apologies for the Matthew Yglesias Learning Adventure.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (dciA+
How dare you cut 6 trllion from women's healthcare! You must want all of us to go jump off the Gaza Bridge!
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (dciA+
How dare you cut 6 trllion from women's healthcare! You must want all of us to go jump off the Gaza Bridge!
Posted by: DangerGirl: Hardliner, Reactionary and All-Around Wackobird at August 06, 2015 02:10 PM (TUUTu)
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And what about a beautiful healthy pair of hooters, ace?
Healthy Hooters - that's what I'm about.
And what about a beautiful healthy pair of hooters, ace?
Healthy Hooters - that's what I'm about.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 06, 2015 02:10 PM (iQIUe)
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I am not a Trump supporter. I am, however, a cheerleader for the potential destruction, in a Citizen Kane kind of way that Trump can bring to the political landscape. It's kind of a broken windows theory of political reconstruction.
Nothing gets fixed until the partisan bureaucrats are driven out of their sinecures. Nothing gets fixed until we tear down the crazy quilt insanity that passes for 'law', tear it down to the foundation, and rebuild from scratch.
I am well beyond the 'let it burn' sentiment. I am well into the 'let me help you start the fire' camp.
Nothing gets fixed until the partisan bureaucrats are driven out of their sinecures. Nothing gets fixed until we tear down the crazy quilt insanity that passes for 'law', tear it down to the foundation, and rebuild from scratch.
I am well beyond the 'let it burn' sentiment. I am well into the 'let me help you start the fire' camp.
Posted by: Pyro Technical Support at August 06, 2015 02:10 PM (yjJan)
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74 So $1 Trillion on women's health. Even if we are talking about all money spent in the US on women's health $1T out of a $18T GDP means that >5% of our GDP is on women's health insurance company cronies?
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (ZDJwC)
FIFY
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (ZDJwC)
FIFY
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 06, 2015 02:10 PM (laMCB)
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>>>81 okay, after some serious back-filling and actually bothering to read the article (what an idea), this post is now actually presentable and makes sense.
Forgot to smugly LOL about your ignorance you did, Padawan.
For knowledge, do or do not. But mostly do not.
Forgot to smugly LOL about your ignorance you did, Padawan.
For knowledge, do or do not. But mostly do not.
Posted by: Matt Yodaglesias at August 06, 2015 02:10 PM (75gXb)
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So the argument is no longer 'this guy is the most electable.' It's now, 'this guy will lose the LEAST.'
This Fuckin' Party.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (75gXb)
Actually, the last poll I saw showed Jeb and Walker both beating Hillary.
The same poll showed Trump losing to her Majesty by double digits. Not only that, but he'd lose to Biden and Sanders by hefty margins, as well.
...and guess who has the highest name recognition (and thus the lowest ceiling)? I'll give you three guesses, and the first two don't count.
This Fuckin' Party.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:08 PM (75gXb)
Actually, the last poll I saw showed Jeb and Walker both beating Hillary.
The same poll showed Trump losing to her Majesty by double digits. Not only that, but he'd lose to Biden and Sanders by hefty margins, as well.
...and guess who has the highest name recognition (and thus the lowest ceiling)? I'll give you three guesses, and the first two don't count.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:10 PM (9YRwm)
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"That said, before we start slamming him for his moral failings, let's look at what BHO got away with for 9 years."
Which nine years in particular?
Which nine years in particular?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 06, 2015 02:11 PM (VPLuQ)
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"And why the hell didn't Jeb Bush show some passion when Trump made a
crude crack about him having to love illegals, because of his wife? Why
not publicly show some ire?"
Ire for what?
Bush himself credited his illegal loving ways at least partially to his wife.
crude crack about him having to love illegals, because of his wife? Why
not publicly show some ire?"
Ire for what?
Bush himself credited his illegal loving ways at least partially to his wife.
Posted by: redbanzai at August 06, 2015 02:11 PM (OrI3J)
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(I kinda suspect that "women's health" is largely a euphemism for "abortions")
I believe that it also includes 50% of the cost of turning male federal inmates and VA patients into women.
I believe that it also includes 50% of the cost of turning male federal inmates and VA patients into women.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 06, 2015 02:11 PM (8ZskC)
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Who will join me in the Million Man Healthy Hooters March??
Who will join me in the Million Man Healthy Hooters March??
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 06, 2015 02:11 PM (iQIUe)
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]The FBI admitted they are monitoring the area. It is heavily Muslim.
Well I should hope so, its a breeding ground for extreme Islamic radicalism. How many kids from Dearborn went to join IS?
Well I should hope so, its a breeding ground for extreme Islamic radicalism. How many kids from Dearborn went to join IS?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:11 PM (39g3+)
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How does one get classified as a D or an R? Do you fill out a form somewhere? When? Where?
And how would one formally disavow this classification?
Or maybe it's only certain states that do this, and not California, where I reside?
Posted by: zombie
Part of the voter registration form you complete at the DMV. In California, it is pre-filled as "Decmocrat"
How does one get classified as a D or an R? Do you fill out a form somewhere? When? Where?
And how would one formally disavow this classification?
Or maybe it's only certain states that do this, and not California, where I reside?
Posted by: zombie
Part of the voter registration form you complete at the DMV. In California, it is pre-filled as "Decmocrat"
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:11 PM (XIXZz)
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Corroded By Urine, San Fransisco Light Pole Collapses, Nearly Killing Man
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 06, 2015 02:12 PM (W5DcG)
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I was just talking to my wife about how a 3rd party candidate always hurts the Republicans. Because he always pulls disaffected Republicans. Democrats always do what the base wants, so the base stays loyal come hell or high water. You'd think the Republicans would learn this.
Posted by: Iblis at August 06, 2015 02:12 PM (9221z)
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Listen, No one cares anymore. Hillary is not the magic bugaboo that makes everyone fall in line. She's a semi-senile old drunk bitch. She's not going to actively fuck us the way obama did, and I will literally vote for her before I would vote for El Hebbe.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (XIXZz)
I won't vote for El Hebbe, either.
..and I won't vote for Trump.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (XIXZz)
I won't vote for El Hebbe, either.
..and I won't vote for Trump.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:12 PM (9YRwm)
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You know who this helps,.......
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at August 06, 2015 02:12 PM (/HC6x)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 02:12 PM (/kI1Q)
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There was some dumb controversy a few months ago and Jeb was at some dumb dinner and he walked out and got a dumb question and he said sometihng like "Well, give me a break, I said something, what's the problem.", shrugging his dumb words off stupidly.
He's a dipshit.
There was some dumb controversy a few months ago and Jeb was at some dumb dinner and he walked out and got a dumb question and he said sometihng like "Well, give me a break, I said something, what's the problem.", shrugging his dumb words off stupidly.
He's a dipshit.
Posted by: rev dr e buzz Miller at August 06, 2015 02:12 PM (cNiT0)
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zombie-
it's a state-by-state thing. Texas has(had?) a primary system where you just walked in and voted in one or the other party's primary, no "membership" required. And if thee were runoff primaries, people would often cross over to vote in the other party's runoff.
Other states, you must "register" with the elections board as either R or D to vote in their primary.
it's a state-by-state thing. Texas has(had?) a primary system where you just walked in and voted in one or the other party's primary, no "membership" required. And if thee were runoff primaries, people would often cross over to vote in the other party's runoff.
Other states, you must "register" with the elections board as either R or D to vote in their primary.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 06, 2015 02:12 PM (wtvvX)
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>>She's not going to actively fuck us the way obama did, and I will literally vote for her before I would vote for El Hebbe.
I can't see any way I would vote for Jeb but I totally disagree about the damage Hillary would do. She will absolutely go full amnesty, her foreign policy is pretty much on display right now and she is a world class grifter who has no compunction about giving away our national security if it benefits her personally.
She's an incompetent old witch but she is not without malice.
I can't see any way I would vote for Jeb but I totally disagree about the damage Hillary would do. She will absolutely go full amnesty, her foreign policy is pretty much on display right now and she is a world class grifter who has no compunction about giving away our national security if it benefits her personally.
She's an incompetent old witch but she is not without malice.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2015 02:12 PM (OGm46)
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I think they should be using the Hollywood Squares format for the debate tonight. Although none of them are as funny as Paul Lynde.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:13 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:10 PM (9YRwm)
I think I've seen one person here who actively supports Trump. Most people are just tired of the GOP and don't care that Trump is fucking with them.
I think I've seen one person here who actively supports Trump. Most people are just tired of the GOP and don't care that Trump is fucking with them.
Posted by: Jon Huntsman Sr at August 06, 2015 02:13 PM (HstNY)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 06, 2015 02:13 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:13 PM (ZDJwC)
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Trump isn't the only non-GOP "establishment" guy running. And he's not even the only non-politician running. But he is the only one who has given half a million dollars to democrats. And he is the only one who registered as a Democrat in 2001, when most sane people were becoming MORE conservative, not less.
If you don't want a politician, support Carson or Fiorina.
If you don't want a Beltway guy, support Walker or Perry.
If you want someone who has fought against the GOPe on Capitol Hill, support Rand or Cruz.
It's this stubborn, facts-be-damned bullshit that Trump is somehow the one who will save us from politics as usual, when the dude is the embodiment of politics as usual (through his support of every establishment political hack on both sides of the aisle) that I can't stand.
The only people Trump supporters are hurting are base conservatives. What they're doing will not hurt the NYC-DC Establishment, Republican or Democrat.
If you don't want a politician, support Carson or Fiorina.
If you don't want a Beltway guy, support Walker or Perry.
If you want someone who has fought against the GOPe on Capitol Hill, support Rand or Cruz.
It's this stubborn, facts-be-damned bullshit that Trump is somehow the one who will save us from politics as usual, when the dude is the embodiment of politics as usual (through his support of every establishment political hack on both sides of the aisle) that I can't stand.
The only people Trump supporters are hurting are base conservatives. What they're doing will not hurt the NYC-DC Establishment, Republican or Democrat.
Posted by: Y-not at August 06, 2015 02:13 PM (RWGcK)
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And how would one formally disavow this classification?
Or maybe it's only certain states that do this, and not California, where I reside?
Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (jBuUi)
When I first registered to vote the form had 3 options: "democrat" "republican" "independent"
And my former state is a closed primary state. So if you wanted to vote in the R primaries, you registered R.
If you didn't care about primaries, you registered Independent.
A lot of people have been changing their voter registration forms from R to Independent in the last few years.
Or maybe it's only certain states that do this, and not California, where I reside?
Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (jBuUi)
When I first registered to vote the form had 3 options: "democrat" "republican" "independent"
And my former state is a closed primary state. So if you wanted to vote in the R primaries, you registered R.
If you didn't care about primaries, you registered Independent.
A lot of people have been changing their voter registration forms from R to Independent in the last few years.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:13 PM (AkOaV)
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 02:10 PM (OSs/l)
There's good and bad ones. There are ones who want to get things ironed out as quickly and collegially as possible while representing the interests of their clients, and there are others who get off on and/or milk the acrimony and conflict.
There's good and bad ones. There are ones who want to get things ironed out as quickly and collegially as possible while representing the interests of their clients, and there are others who get off on and/or milk the acrimony and conflict.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 06, 2015 02:13 PM (2Ojst)
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Really think about it, how could Trump possibly be worse than Shrillary? Someone educate me on this.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 06, 2015 02:14 PM (xVgrA)
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"...and I want to thank you for inviting me to the start of a new party...on the day of the start of the new party. And I hope our first candidate is a masculine candidate."
(Hands an envelope over)
"For the new parties purse.."
(Hands an envelope over)
"For the new parties purse.."
Posted by: jwest at August 06, 2015 02:14 PM (P/xrJ)
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She will absolutely go full amnesty, her foreign policy is pretty much on display right now and she is a world class grifter who has no compunction about giving away our national security if it benefits her personally.
Jack, I think you misspelled "Jeb" as "She"
She will absolutely go full amnesty, her foreign policy is pretty much on display right now and she is a world class grifter who has no compunction about giving away our national security if it benefits her personally.
Jack, I think you misspelled "Jeb" as "She"
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:14 PM (XIXZz)
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:14 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Garrett at August 06, 2015 02:14 PM (2IEVZ)
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Democrats always do what the base wants, so the base stays loyal come hell or high water.
Ask Al Gore about that. Ralph Nader pulled a significant number of voters away from him, so much so they used scorched earth tactics to keep him off the ballot in 2004 and 2008. They literally broke the law and violated rules left and right in states like Oregon.
Ask Al Gore about that. Ralph Nader pulled a significant number of voters away from him, so much so they used scorched earth tactics to keep him off the ballot in 2004 and 2008. They literally broke the law and violated rules left and right in states like Oregon.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:14 PM (39g3+)
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If anything, the GOPe telling me I can't possibly be thinking of voting for TRUMP!, makes me want to vote for him more.
With an extra side dish of f!ck the GOPe please.
With an extra side dish of f!ck the GOPe please.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 02:14 PM (x3GpS)
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I think they should be using the Hollywood Squares format for the debate tonight.
Mash it up with the Gong Show.
I think they should be using the Hollywood Squares format for the debate tonight.
Mash it up with the Gong Show.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 02:15 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:15 PM (XIXZz)
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I did mean we shouldn't spend money on women's health but that we should spend more money on the house-cleaning and sandwich-making Sciences. And possibly more money on reducing the vapors and other hysterical behaviors.
That's controversial?
That's controversial?
Posted by: Jeb Bush at August 06, 2015 02:15 PM (TJCSB)
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National Review increasingly showing their out and out hatred for Trump supporters sure doesn't help.
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That is the most bizarre and frightening thing about all this: The guy has a huge lead in the polls.
And the entire party's response is: Fuck that guy and fuck anyone who supports him.
Those "people who support him?" How in the world do they expect to win the nomination--or even the Presidency--if they've pissed of some 30% of their core voters?
Answer: They would rather lose to Hillary (or a Democrat to be named later) than ever, ever, ever take an actual conservative position that requires action, not more words.
Anyway: Fuck National Review--I am a long-time advocate of purging them from conservative politics. They are more in favor of talking than doing; they are worse than worthless because they have never failed to disparage any conservative who actually gets shit done.
National Review increasingly showing their out and out hatred for Trump supporters sure doesn't help.
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That is the most bizarre and frightening thing about all this: The guy has a huge lead in the polls.
And the entire party's response is: Fuck that guy and fuck anyone who supports him.
Those "people who support him?" How in the world do they expect to win the nomination--or even the Presidency--if they've pissed of some 30% of their core voters?
Answer: They would rather lose to Hillary (or a Democrat to be named later) than ever, ever, ever take an actual conservative position that requires action, not more words.
Anyway: Fuck National Review--I am a long-time advocate of purging them from conservative politics. They are more in favor of talking than doing; they are worse than worthless because they have never failed to disparage any conservative who actually gets shit done.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 06, 2015 02:15 PM (ZvKdv)
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[I}Or maybe it's only certain states that do this, and not California, where I reside?
Despite living here in PRC also, when you register to vote you fill in your party affiliation.
When I turned 18 I had my US Government teacher in HS fill out the form for me. I thought he was going to cry when I said "Republican".
Despite living here in PRC also, when you register to vote you fill in your party affiliation.
When I turned 18 I had my US Government teacher in HS fill out the form for me. I thought he was going to cry when I said "Republican".
Posted by: John P. Squibob at August 06, 2015 02:15 PM (DQZLr)
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What bothers me about Jeb! s original gaffe is that he was only referring to the half billion going to PP.
What seems lost on most is the other billions ALREADY going to the other "women's health" centers everywhere in the country.
*Not all of which kill babies, btw.
There is absolutely NO reason to funnel money taken from PP towards any other leeching organization. Give it back to the taxpayers.
What seems lost on most is the other billions ALREADY going to the other "women's health" centers everywhere in the country.
*Not all of which kill babies, btw.
There is absolutely NO reason to funnel money taken from PP towards any other leeching organization. Give it back to the taxpayers.
Posted by: Chi at August 06, 2015 02:15 PM (yB0WD)
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I think I've seen one person here who actively supports Trump. Most people are just tired of the GOP and don't care that Trump is fucking with them.
Posted by: Jon Huntsman Sr at August 06, 2015 02:13 PM (HstNY)
I sympathize.
McConnell sucks.
Boehner sucks.
Most of the GOP caucus sucks.
Most of the GOP candidates suck.
...but I think what would make them piss their pants would be to nominate Cruz.
At the end of the day, it's Cruz's job to make people see that, not mine. I'm just tired of the Trumpmania. The man is a joke.
Posted by: Jon Huntsman Sr at August 06, 2015 02:13 PM (HstNY)
I sympathize.
McConnell sucks.
Boehner sucks.
Most of the GOP caucus sucks.
Most of the GOP candidates suck.
...but I think what would make them piss their pants would be to nominate Cruz.
At the end of the day, it's Cruz's job to make people see that, not mine. I'm just tired of the Trumpmania. The man is a joke.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:15 PM (9YRwm)
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Trump could take a dump on stage and then kick the turds on Jeb! and Christie, a lot of people would say to themselves, "I like where this guy is taking this."
I amongst them.
I amongst them.
Posted by: traye at August 06, 2015 02:15 PM (U12k+)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 06, 2015 02:15 PM (VPLuQ)
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I am, however, a cheerleader for the potential destruction, in a Citizen Kane kind of way
Candidate Trump caught in love nest with "singer."
Candidate Trump caught in love nest with "singer."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 06, 2015 02:16 PM (W5DcG)
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Really think about it, how could Trump possibly be worse than Shrillary? Someone educate me on this.
Oh he'd be equally awful but in different ways. They'd both loot the USA for all they are worth though.
Oh he'd be equally awful but in different ways. They'd both loot the USA for all they are worth though.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:16 PM (39g3+)
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"Problem is, he's politically aligned with them, and has no notable policy differences from them."
Huh? Are you kidding? Trump actually being pro-American and anti-illegal immigration is one monstrously large difference between him and the establishment donor class.
Read Trump's books. Or read some actual facts about Trump's positions.
Huh? Are you kidding? Trump actually being pro-American and anti-illegal immigration is one monstrously large difference between him and the establishment donor class.
Read Trump's books. Or read some actual facts about Trump's positions.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 06, 2015 02:16 PM (BmnL5)
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I would LOVE to see Bruce Valance in the middle of the debate.
Charles Nelson Reilly!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLnapb-30hA
Charles Nelson Reilly!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLnapb-30hA
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 02:16 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at August 06, 2015 02:16 PM (OD2ni)
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Actually, the last poll I saw showed Jeb and Walker both beating Hillary.
The same poll showed Trump losing to her Majesty by double digits. Not only that, but he'd lose to Biden and Sanders by hefty margins, as well.
...and guess who has the highest name recognition (and thus the lowest ceiling)? I'll give you three guesses, and the first two don't count.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:10 PM (9YRwm)
Hell, last poll I looked at Trump was beating all the other Repub contenders AND beating all the Democrat possibilities in the general.
Why are RINOs so pure about their RINOism?
The same poll showed Trump losing to her Majesty by double digits. Not only that, but he'd lose to Biden and Sanders by hefty margins, as well.
...and guess who has the highest name recognition (and thus the lowest ceiling)? I'll give you three guesses, and the first two don't count.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:10 PM (9YRwm)
Hell, last poll I looked at Trump was beating all the other Repub contenders AND beating all the Democrat possibilities in the general.
Why are RINOs so pure about their RINOism?
Posted by: Ken at August 06, 2015 02:16 PM (LXJ1e)
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19 Is this stupid Clinton/Bush thing because people secretly want monarchy, or is it because Americans are raised from birth to be brand loyal? There's gotta be a reason we're getting this shitty choice rammed down our throats. I'm probably not a deep enough thinker to figure it out, of course.
Posted by: Chupacabras at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (XiVKO)
I like the "brand loyalty" theory. It's like people who eat McDonald's when they travel: you know what you will get, you know it will be basically the same everywhere you go, and you know basically how much it will cost.
Same with the Bushclintons: They will run things the same way as their predecessors, there won't be many surprises, and you can go back to being mesmerized by a Kardashian ass. Priorities.
Posted by: Chupacabras at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (XiVKO)
I like the "brand loyalty" theory. It's like people who eat McDonald's when they travel: you know what you will get, you know it will be basically the same everywhere you go, and you know basically how much it will cost.
Same with the Bushclintons: They will run things the same way as their predecessors, there won't be many surprises, and you can go back to being mesmerized by a Kardashian ass. Priorities.
Posted by: joncelli, Penis Monster at August 06, 2015 02:16 PM (RD7QR)
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Ivana says she was never raped.
Sheesh.
Sheesh.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at August 06, 2015 02:16 PM (JgC5a)
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>>Jack, I think you misspelled "Jeb" as "She"
Nope. Jeb blows and is weak on almost every issue but Hillary is evil. I can separate my disgust with the GOP with my hatred for liberals.
Nope. Jeb blows and is weak on almost every issue but Hillary is evil. I can separate my disgust with the GOP with my hatred for liberals.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2015 02:17 PM (OGm46)
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yeah see my twitter bio, it's the shit
https://twitter.com/AceofSpadesHQ
I like your twitter bio, ace.
https://twitter.com/AceofSpadesHQ
I like your twitter bio, ace.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:17 PM (AkOaV)
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How does one get classified as a D or an R? Do you fill out a form somewhere? When? Where?
There are two basic things that it can mean:
1. Many states ask you what party you are when you register to vote. This determines which party's primary you take part in. You can tell which party you are registered for when you get mailings from your local whoever-handles-voting. In some states, you might have registered as nobody, in order to have the choice of which party's primary to vote in. In others, this would mean that you don't get to vote in any primary.
2. You can, of course, also join the party directly, which has nothing to do with voting. But I'm guessing you would remember if you did that.
There are two basic things that it can mean:
1. Many states ask you what party you are when you register to vote. This determines which party's primary you take part in. You can tell which party you are registered for when you get mailings from your local whoever-handles-voting. In some states, you might have registered as nobody, in order to have the choice of which party's primary to vote in. In others, this would mean that you don't get to vote in any primary.
2. You can, of course, also join the party directly, which has nothing to do with voting. But I'm guessing you would remember if you did that.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 06, 2015 02:18 PM (2lndx)
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Now, now....Jeb's just a little rusty. Once I get Jim Baker back there, everything will be fine.
Posted by: George Bush at August 06, 2015 02:18 PM (/HC6x)
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13 Just one more thing about Jeb: If he disagrees with you, he is a condescending, self-righteous, pretentious asshole.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 06, 2015 01:56 PM (b65cm)
After 8 years of Obama, we really want more that!
More condescension from our masters that's what we need!
Posted by: AmishDude at August 06, 2015 01:56 PM (b65cm)
After 8 years of Obama, we really want more that!
More condescension from our masters that's what we need!
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at August 06, 2015 02:18 PM (u0lmX)
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>>>>I think I've seen one person here who actively supports Trump. Most people are just tired of the GOP and don't care that Trump is fucking with them.
+1
I really don't give a shit if Jeb or Walker could win. I hate the GOP and consider Trump a kamikazee method of doing serious harm to the party in a matter that will force it to either vanish or reinvent itself.
Apathy is a powerful blah blah whatever.
+1
I really don't give a shit if Jeb or Walker could win. I hate the GOP and consider Trump a kamikazee method of doing serious harm to the party in a matter that will force it to either vanish or reinvent itself.
Apathy is a powerful blah blah whatever.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (75gXb)
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Trump can go fuck himself.
If you hate the GOP so much you'd support a red-faced, sputtering, faux conservative like Trump, you hate your country, too.
I'm certainly not saying we should nominate an establishment prick
like Bush or Rubio, but can we at least nominate a serious politician
like Cruz or Paul?
Supporting Trump is the same as supporting Hillary Clinton - because he is going to lose the general by a BIG margin.
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Hmmm. What were these "serious politicians like Cruz or Paul" talking about before Trump came along?
Oh, the same ol' "barely a blip on the give-a-fuck meter" shit that the rest of the field was talking about? Instead of the shit that actually animates and matters to--by the polls of Trump's support--some 30% of the base?
Trump can go fuck himself.
If you hate the GOP so much you'd support a red-faced, sputtering, faux conservative like Trump, you hate your country, too.
I'm certainly not saying we should nominate an establishment prick
like Bush or Rubio, but can we at least nominate a serious politician
like Cruz or Paul?
Supporting Trump is the same as supporting Hillary Clinton - because he is going to lose the general by a BIG margin.
=========
Hmmm. What were these "serious politicians like Cruz or Paul" talking about before Trump came along?
Oh, the same ol' "barely a blip on the give-a-fuck meter" shit that the rest of the field was talking about? Instead of the shit that actually animates and matters to--by the polls of Trump's support--some 30% of the base?
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (ZvKdv)
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yeah see my twitter bio, it's the shit
https://twitter.com/AceofSpadesHQ
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:14 PM (dciA+)
Lorenzo LLamas, on a motorcycle. Nice touch.
https://twitter.com/AceofSpadesHQ
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:14 PM (dciA+)
Lorenzo LLamas, on a motorcycle. Nice touch.
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (ZDJwC)
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That is the most bizarre and frightening thing about all this: The guy has a huge lead in the polls.
And the entire party's response is: Fuck that guy and fuck anyone who supports him.
Perhaps they looked at the internals of the polls and found that only about 30% of the people asked were GOP voters. I'm not making this up.
And the entire party's response is: Fuck that guy and fuck anyone who supports him.
Perhaps they looked at the internals of the polls and found that only about 30% of the people asked were GOP voters. I'm not making this up.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (39g3+)
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19Is this stupid Clinton/Bush thing because people secretly want monarchy
"Vimes went back to the rank in a gloomy rage. Say what you liked about the people of Ankh-Morpork, they had always been staunchly independent, yielding to no man their right to rob, defraud, embezzle and murder on an equal basis. This seemed absolutely right, to Vimes's way of thinking. There was no difference at all between the richest man and the poorest beggar, apart from the fact that the former had lots of money, food, power, fine clothes, and good health. But at least he wasn't any better. Just richer, fatter, more powerful, better dressed and healthier. It had been like that for hundreds of years.
"And now they get one sniff of an ermine robe and they go all gooey," he muttered."
- Pratchett, Guards, Guards
19Is this stupid Clinton/Bush thing because people secretly want monarchy
"Vimes went back to the rank in a gloomy rage. Say what you liked about the people of Ankh-Morpork, they had always been staunchly independent, yielding to no man their right to rob, defraud, embezzle and murder on an equal basis. This seemed absolutely right, to Vimes's way of thinking. There was no difference at all between the richest man and the poorest beggar, apart from the fact that the former had lots of money, food, power, fine clothes, and good health. But at least he wasn't any better. Just richer, fatter, more powerful, better dressed and healthier. It had been like that for hundreds of years.
"And now they get one sniff of an ermine robe and they go all gooey," he muttered."
- Pratchett, Guards, Guards
Posted by: f2000 at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (5xwgn)
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...but I think what would make them piss their pants would be to nominate Cruz.
At the end of the day, it's Cruz's job to make people see that, not mine. I'm just tired of the Trumpmania. The man is a joke.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:15 PM (9YRwm)
Oooooh. Yeah, well, personally I'm leaning toward camp Rand, but I don't really have any allusions about Cuz or Rand or any other politician. I think they'll fuck us over just as quickly as Boehner and McConnell and crew, it will just be more of an emotional letdown.
I like Trump because he's hilarious. I don't think he'll win, but honestly even if he did he would be no worse then any other politician.
At the end of the day, it's Cruz's job to make people see that, not mine. I'm just tired of the Trumpmania. The man is a joke.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:15 PM (9YRwm)
Oooooh. Yeah, well, personally I'm leaning toward camp Rand, but I don't really have any allusions about Cuz or Rand or any other politician. I think they'll fuck us over just as quickly as Boehner and McConnell and crew, it will just be more of an emotional letdown.
I like Trump because he's hilarious. I don't think he'll win, but honestly even if he did he would be no worse then any other politician.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (AkOaV)
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Jack, I agree w/you about the malignancy of Hillary, but all the flaws you point out are shared by El Hebbe.
Jack, I agree w/you about the malignancy of Hillary, but all the flaws you point out are shared by El Hebbe.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (XIXZz)
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Jeb is saving it for debate night. He's gonna hit the Donald in his little mouth.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (OZmbA)
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apparently we spend a trillion a year on "women's health"
Uh, check your math. Our entire federal budget is only $3.8 trillion.
Posted by: mynewhandle
National Health Expenditure grew to $2.9 trillion in 2013, or $9,255 per person, and accounted for 17.4% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP).
CMS.gov
That's insurance + state and federal spending.
Since more than half of that should be for dames, 50% + birth related + they live longer, $2 trillion on girl medicine sounds about right. If this were a real internet debate, that number could be fine tuned.
If you count only government spending, something around a $1 trillion or more sounds good.
apparently we spend a trillion a year on "women's health"
Uh, check your math. Our entire federal budget is only $3.8 trillion.
Posted by: mynewhandle
National Health Expenditure grew to $2.9 trillion in 2013, or $9,255 per person, and accounted for 17.4% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP).
CMS.gov
That's insurance + state and federal spending.
Since more than half of that should be for dames, 50% + birth related + they live longer, $2 trillion on girl medicine sounds about right. If this were a real internet debate, that number could be fine tuned.
If you count only government spending, something around a $1 trillion or more sounds good.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (kdS6q)
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Read my lips: Jeb Bush is a piece of shit.
Posted by: David Letterman's intern at August 06, 2015 01:53 PM (VcOqI)
Read my lips: Donald Trump is not a Conservative.
Posted by: David Letterman's intern at August 06, 2015 01:53 PM (VcOqI)
Read my lips: Donald Trump is not a Conservative.
Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (9VLhN)
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The simple problem is that that the base now hates the GOP, because, pretty clearly, the GOP hates the base.
The GOP has no goodwill left. None at all.
And that's the GOP's fault, and that's that.
All this talk about Trump going third party wouldn't mean a thing if the GOP hadn't made a third party seem like a good thing.
The GOP has no goodwill left. None at all.
And that's the GOP's fault, and that's that.
All this talk about Trump going third party wouldn't mean a thing if the GOP hadn't made a third party seem like a good thing.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 06, 2015 02:20 PM (oVJmc)
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>>>and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
No you are not. It's a waste of time explaining it to them. I don't even want to explain it to them. I just want a restraining order and them I'm changing the locks.
No you are not. It's a waste of time explaining it to them. I don't even want to explain it to them. I just want a restraining order and them I'm changing the locks.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 06, 2015 02:20 PM (E5UB0)
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Ace,
Your current sock is my favorite!
Your current sock is my favorite!
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 06, 2015 02:20 PM (xVgrA)
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"The entire political class is so robotic and bloodless. And dishonest. And passive-aggressive."
It's just about the (kickback, bribe, etc) paycheck.
Hacks gonna hack!
It's just about the (kickback, bribe, etc) paycheck.
Hacks gonna hack!
Posted by: Beorn at August 06, 2015 02:20 PM (dGF4J)
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Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 02:12 PM (/kI1Q)
That's not hooters.
This is a hooter:
http://bit.ly/1IZHBwC
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 02:12 PM (/kI1Q)
That's not hooters.
This is a hooter:
http://bit.ly/1IZHBwC
Posted by: Bandersnatch, team Lefty and Scamp at August 06, 2015 02:20 PM (JtwS4)
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Well, Trump is an a-hole but everyone already knows that, including Trump, and Trump owns it and makes no apologies for it. So Jeb! isn't exactly breaking new ground here.
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at August 06, 2015 02:20 PM (JxMoP)
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>>>Huh? Are you kidding? Trump actually being pro-American and anti-illegal immigration is one monstrously large difference between him and the establishment donor class.
Read Trump's books. Or read some actual facts about Trump's positions.
...
oh please, he says he's for a pathway to citizenship and against deportation. Maybe YOU should listen to your hero's actual words.
And as for "Read Trump's books" -- you must certainly be shitting me, right?
Are you fucking kidding? Read Trump's books? Is this a joke?
If you think Trump's books are real books, then... whatever.
Read Trump's books. Or read some actual facts about Trump's positions.
...
oh please, he says he's for a pathway to citizenship and against deportation. Maybe YOU should listen to your hero's actual words.
And as for "Read Trump's books" -- you must certainly be shitting me, right?
Are you fucking kidding? Read Trump's books? Is this a joke?
If you think Trump's books are real books, then... whatever.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:20 PM (dciA+)
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Posted by: RoyalOil at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (ZvKdv)
I like when Rand talks about the NSA.
And on the face of it at least, I'm on board with his foreign policy -- how he spells it out.
Now I know a lot of people don't trust him and his foreign policy -- I get that.
As for Cruz? I don't know. I don't really get too excited over him. I'm not sure why. He just seems cheesy and fake and lawyerly and used cars salesman, with a big goofy plastic smile to me. So does Rubio.
Ignoring their positions, that's my first impression of them.
I like when Rand talks about the NSA.
And on the face of it at least, I'm on board with his foreign policy -- how he spells it out.
Now I know a lot of people don't trust him and his foreign policy -- I get that.
As for Cruz? I don't know. I don't really get too excited over him. I'm not sure why. He just seems cheesy and fake and lawyerly and used cars salesman, with a big goofy plastic smile to me. So does Rubio.
Ignoring their positions, that's my first impression of them.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:21 PM (AkOaV)
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From the linked Hot Air piece:
If you want to play it truly safe next year, the obvious choice is Marco Rubio, who's fluent in policy, has loads of retail skill, and makes for a nice demographic contrast with Hillary. If you want someone bolder and more conservative, the obvious choice isn't Trump but Ted Cruz. Toss Scott Walker into the mix as someone with executive experience and an exceptional achievement in Wisconsin in his collective bargaining reforms and you've got a potential final three that's much easier to swallow than a Trump/Bush death match. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the three we're left with in the end.
That's the way I see it playing out, with Cruz edging Walker because of the latter's Midwestern politeness/passivity.
If you want to play it truly safe next year, the obvious choice is Marco Rubio, who's fluent in policy, has loads of retail skill, and makes for a nice demographic contrast with Hillary. If you want someone bolder and more conservative, the obvious choice isn't Trump but Ted Cruz. Toss Scott Walker into the mix as someone with executive experience and an exceptional achievement in Wisconsin in his collective bargaining reforms and you've got a potential final three that's much easier to swallow than a Trump/Bush death match. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the three we're left with in the end.
That's the way I see it playing out, with Cruz edging Walker because of the latter's Midwestern politeness/passivity.
Posted by: Weirddave at August 06, 2015 02:21 PM (WvS3w)
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I cannot abide hero worship from people older than 16 years old.
Jesus Almighty, it is one of the most ludicrous disqualifiers I can imagine.
Jesus Almighty, it is one of the most ludicrous disqualifiers I can imagine.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:21 PM (dciA+)
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http://tinyurl.com/oplqk5o
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Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 06, 2015 02:13 PM (VPLuQ)
I'd pay money to be in the audience for a Biden-Trump debate.
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Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 06, 2015 02:13 PM (VPLuQ)
I'd pay money to be in the audience for a Biden-Trump debate.
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:21 PM (ZDJwC)
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"Nope. Jeb blows and is weak on almost every issue but Hillary is evil. I can separate my disgust with the GOP with my hatred for liberals."
Agree. At least Jeb might appoint an AG that would at least keep the Lois Lerner types in line.With Hillary, a continuation of the war on conservatives from the IRS. Pathetic that it is the best thing to hope for from Jeb.
"Nope. Jeb blows and is weak on almost every issue but Hillary is evil. I can separate my disgust with the GOP with my hatred for liberals."
Agree. At least Jeb might appoint an AG that would at least keep the Lois Lerner types in line.With Hillary, a continuation of the war on conservatives from the IRS. Pathetic that it is the best thing to hope for from Jeb.
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 06, 2015 02:21 PM (OD2ni)
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Donald Trump is not a Conservative.
Posted by: Community Organizer
No one here thinks he is. He is a walking nuclear bomb with a broken safety switch.
Donald Trump is not a Conservative.
Posted by: Community Organizer
No one here thinks he is. He is a walking nuclear bomb with a broken safety switch.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:21 PM (XIXZz)
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Trump is the only candidate that is saying we don't have to bend over and assume the position any more.
Except for maybe Cruz, who will deter voters because Religious Right.
Except for maybe Cruz, who will deter voters because Religious Right.
Posted by: Thor's feather duster at August 06, 2015 02:21 PM (JgC5a)
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You know what?
I'm with Ace.
Fuck it.
The country is screwed either way.
When the debate's on tonight, I might watch a baseball game instead. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around...or maybe it's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
One of those songs.
I'm with Ace.
Fuck it.
The country is screwed either way.
When the debate's on tonight, I might watch a baseball game instead. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around...or maybe it's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
One of those songs.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (9YRwm)
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Anyway: Fuck National Review--I am a long-time advocate of purging them from conservative politics.
I have to say, as nice a guy and as smart a guy as Jonah Goldberg is, his influence has destroyed NR. Go look at some issues from the 70s. It's intellectual firepower on display. Today, it's Politico. The G-Filification of a once great magazine.
I have to say, as nice a guy and as smart a guy as Jonah Goldberg is, his influence has destroyed NR. Go look at some issues from the 70s. It's intellectual firepower on display. Today, it's Politico. The G-Filification of a once great magazine.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (evdj2)
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Ace wrote, 'It doesn't matter anyway, the country is doomed.'
You and the other Cassandras and Jeremiahs of the Let It Burn crowd need to buck the hell up. It does matter and no, we're not doomed--or at least it isn't a sure thing. Ithink the American people are made of better stuff than you seem to believe. We can win this thing.
Trump will flame out. Jeb! will continue to screw up, with more than the usual number of gaffes, combined with his utter lack of charisma, serving to negate his financial advantages. In the end, a handful of reasonably sane and electable primary candidates will emerge, with at least one of them proving a viablematch against Hillary in the polls. It also helps that Hillary Clinton is a terrible person who is unable to hide the fact she's a terrible person.
You and the other Cassandras and Jeremiahs of the Let It Burn crowd need to buck the hell up. It does matter and no, we're not doomed--or at least it isn't a sure thing. Ithink the American people are made of better stuff than you seem to believe. We can win this thing.
Trump will flame out. Jeb! will continue to screw up, with more than the usual number of gaffes, combined with his utter lack of charisma, serving to negate his financial advantages. In the end, a handful of reasonably sane and electable primary candidates will emerge, with at least one of them proving a viablematch against Hillary in the polls. It also helps that Hillary Clinton is a terrible person who is unable to hide the fact she's a terrible person.
Posted by: troyriser at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (XHR9b)
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Hey, I have an idea.
Let's split our votes amongst various no-chance vanity candidates, allowing Jeb to ride the Big Money Establishment vote to victory.
That'll really stick it to those establishment bums.
As an added bonus you'll be able to pleasure youselves to the "Establishment forced Jeb on us" caterwauling that you love so very much.
Let's split our votes amongst various no-chance vanity candidates, allowing Jeb to ride the Big Money Establishment vote to victory.
That'll really stick it to those establishment bums.
As an added bonus you'll be able to pleasure youselves to the "Establishment forced Jeb on us" caterwauling that you love so very much.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (sr7tF)
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Are you fucking kidding? Read Trump's books? Is this a joke?
If you think Trump's books are real books, then... whatever.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:20 PM (dciA+)
What? As opposed to the ghost written semi-factual autobiographies that our current president and every other politician in DC has?
If you think Trump's books are real books, then... whatever.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:20 PM (dciA+)
What? As opposed to the ghost written semi-factual autobiographies that our current president and every other politician in DC has?
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (AkOaV)
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I don't care for Trump, but I love that he gives Establishment DIOABLOs conniption fits.
Aside from disrupting the Bush-family's Dieu-et-mon-Droit entitlement to the presidency, what would really be so terrible about a Trump presidency?
Trump isn't my guy, but he's no worse a moderate than Jeb, Kasich, Pataki, or Graham.
Aside from disrupting the Bush-family's Dieu-et-mon-Droit entitlement to the presidency, what would really be so terrible about a Trump presidency?
Trump isn't my guy, but he's no worse a moderate than Jeb, Kasich, Pataki, or Graham.
Posted by: V the K at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (O7MnT)
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How does one get classified as a D or an R? Do you fill out a form somewhere? When? Where?
And how would one formally disavow this classification?
Or maybe it's only certain states that do this, and not California, where I reside?
Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (jBuUi)
When you register to vote you can choose a party affiliation, including here in CA.
I originally registered as independent, but then got deluged with shit (phone calls and snail mail) from BOTH parties, so changed it to R.
And how would one formally disavow this classification?
Or maybe it's only certain states that do this, and not California, where I reside?
Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2015 02:09 PM (jBuUi)
When you register to vote you can choose a party affiliation, including here in CA.
I originally registered as independent, but then got deluged with shit (phone calls and snail mail) from BOTH parties, so changed it to R.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (oKE6c)
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I will not put up with the fucking hero worship.
I had enough of it with Saint Sarah. I will not put up with it with Master of Negotiation Donald Trump.
Speak like a self-respecting, intelligent adult, for the love of Christ.
I had enough of it with Saint Sarah. I will not put up with it with Master of Negotiation Donald Trump.
Speak like a self-respecting, intelligent adult, for the love of Christ.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (dciA+)
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Read my lips: Donald Trump is not a Conservative.
Posted by: Community Organizer
Neither is Jeb.
Read my lips: Donald Trump is not a Conservative.
Posted by: Community Organizer
Neither is Jeb.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (ZCFje)
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The City of New York fucked around for 6 years with a broken ice rink.
Trump had it fixed and running at a profit in 3-1/2 months.
All he has to do is say he's going to do the same thing to the federal government.
Trump had it fixed and running at a profit in 3-1/2 months.
All he has to do is say he's going to do the same thing to the federal government.
Posted by: jwest at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (P/xrJ)
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Posted by: Insomniac at August 06, 2015 02:13 PM (2Ojst)
I agree with you. That's why I said as a group I don't really like them. People I've known who have gone thrown meditation with a trained mediator have had a better overall experience that the ones who had divorce lawyers.
I agree with you. That's why I said as a group I don't really like them. People I've known who have gone thrown meditation with a trained mediator have had a better overall experience that the ones who had divorce lawyers.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (OSs/l)
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I'd gladly vote for Trump because I think the government ought to represent the common American citizen and not border jumpers, Iranian mullahs, Muslim terrorists, international environmental organizations and corporations, abortionists, and Wall Street big-wigs.
Posted by: Ken at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (LXJ1e)
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No one here thinks he is.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:21 PM (XIXZz)
Oh, I disagree with that.
I mean, it hasn't reached HotAir comment levels of unadulterated retardation, but some posters get pretty close.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:21 PM (XIXZz)
Oh, I disagree with that.
I mean, it hasn't reached HotAir comment levels of unadulterated retardation, but some posters get pretty close.
Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (9VLhN)
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Speaking of masculine vs. passive aggressive, I'd really like to see all the candidates erupt into a big bar fight during the debate. A free-for all, winner take the debate.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (OZmbA)
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A week ago, Trump was the best thing evah for Jeb.
This week, he is an a-hole.
This may surprise you, but someone is lying.
This week, he is an a-hole.
This may surprise you, but someone is lying.
Posted by: Charlemagne at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (x1nEr)
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Time for another look at Dan Quayle?
Posted by: Chupacabras at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (XiVKO)
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>>>What? As opposed to the ghost written semi-factual autobiographies that our current president and every other politician in DC has
1, i wouldn't read them either.
2, you think Donald Trump wrote his books?
How sad for you.
1, i wouldn't read them either.
2, you think Donald Trump wrote his books?
How sad for you.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (dciA+)
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I really don't give a shit if Jeb or Walker could win. I hate the GOP and consider Trump a kamikazee method of doing serious harm to the party in a matter that will force it to either vanish or reinvent itself.
I think most of Trump's support comes from this at least on the right. Its not so much "yay Trump!" as "enough already the heck with these guys"
The rest of his support are guys who think Survivor is real and know virtually nothing about politics.
I think most of Trump's support comes from this at least on the right. Its not so much "yay Trump!" as "enough already the heck with these guys"
The rest of his support are guys who think Survivor is real and know virtually nothing about politics.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (39g3+)
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Maybe if Trump actually wins the nomination the GOPe might wake up and learn something?...........Nah, who am I kidding?
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 06, 2015 02:24 PM (xVgrA)
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That is the most bizarre and frightening thing about all this: The guy has a huge lead in the polls.
You misspelled yooge.
You misspelled yooge.
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:24 PM (ZDJwC)
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Read my lips: Donald Trump is not a Conservative.
Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (9VLhN)
Neither is Jeb. Neither are most of the GOP candidates.
I don't like Trump and don't think he's a serious person (but then we are not a serious country). However, I'd vote for him before I'd vote for Jeb.
Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (9VLhN)
Neither is Jeb. Neither are most of the GOP candidates.
I don't like Trump and don't think he's a serious person (but then we are not a serious country). However, I'd vote for him before I'd vote for Jeb.
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at August 06, 2015 02:24 PM (u0lmX)
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Ithink the American people are made of better stuff than you seem to believe. We can win this thing.
Posted by: troyriser
Have you actually been out and about in "America" recently? In an urban or suburban area outside the deep red counties?
Ithink the American people are made of better stuff than you seem to believe. We can win this thing.
Posted by: troyriser
Have you actually been out and about in "America" recently? In an urban or suburban area outside the deep red counties?
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:24 PM (XIXZz)
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"you hate your country, too. "
I hate what my country has become. I hate the 51% who voted for Obama a SECOND TIME
I hate democrats, I hate progressives, I hate my neighbors, and I probably hate you too.
Other than that, I'm a really nice guy once you get to know me.
I hate what my country has become. I hate the 51% who voted for Obama a SECOND TIME
I hate democrats, I hate progressives, I hate my neighbors, and I probably hate you too.
Other than that, I'm a really nice guy once you get to know me.
Posted by: Pyro Technical Support at August 06, 2015 02:24 PM (yjJan)
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Meh. It's way too early in the campaign.
I like Walker and Perry. I'd like to take a closer look at Carly.
Walker's positions don't synch up 100% with mine, but this is a guy who has literally had his life threatened by liberals, and stood firm for conservative policies. He's shown way more steel than Trump.
I like Walker and Perry. I'd like to take a closer look at Carly.
Walker's positions don't synch up 100% with mine, but this is a guy who has literally had his life threatened by liberals, and stood firm for conservative policies. He's shown way more steel than Trump.
Posted by: Mike at August 06, 2015 02:25 PM (ISxUB)
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I'd gladly vote for Trump because...
See this is what bothers me. Not that Trump is doing well, because F the Republican Party and the republic is doomed anyway.
No, my problem is that people are gullible enough to believe that he really thinks and believes anything he's saying now.
See this is what bothers me. Not that Trump is doing well, because F the Republican Party and the republic is doomed anyway.
No, my problem is that people are gullible enough to believe that he really thinks and believes anything he's saying now.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:25 PM (39g3+)
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From the dead thread Chris, seek help!
I tried some Old Bay. I guess you have to grow up on it because it was not good. Its like White Castle that way, I guess.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (39g3+)
Moron,
heal thyself. First you bad mouth boiled peanuts, they do have to be
salty, and now you are bad mouthing Old Bay. Yes, and White Castle?
God's pre made handover cure that takes 35 sec in microwave.
What part of Montana do you live in son? Sounds like you NEED an intervention.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (0FSuD)
I tried some Old Bay. I guess you have to grow up on it because it was not good. Its like White Castle that way, I guess.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (39g3+)
Moron,
heal thyself. First you bad mouth boiled peanuts, they do have to be
salty, and now you are bad mouthing Old Bay. Yes, and White Castle?
God's pre made handover cure that takes 35 sec in microwave.
What part of Montana do you live in son? Sounds like you NEED an intervention.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 06, 2015 02:19 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 06, 2015 02:25 PM (0FSuD)
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Neither is Jeb.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (ZCFje)
I suppose that's arguable, but Trumps behaviour and past admissions make Jeb's time in office look like Thatcher.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (ZCFje)
I suppose that's arguable, but Trumps behaviour and past admissions make Jeb's time in office look like Thatcher.
Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:25 PM (9VLhN)
Posted by: Sponge at August 06, 2015 02:25 PM (F4u7C)
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The Useless Screeching in the comment section heralds the official return of Election Season.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 06, 2015 02:25 PM (oVJmc)
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you know, Henry Cabot Lodge won the 1960 New Hampshire primary and was big in the polls
Walker can do a Nixon Sixty and make the Donald his veep. The Democrats don't got no JFK this time
Walker can do a Nixon Sixty and make the Donald his veep. The Democrats don't got no JFK this time
Posted by: 1960 at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (8CdUx)
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"Lorenzo LLamas, on a motorcycle. Nice touch."
At first I thought it was Gerardo, the one hit wonder from the 90's that sang "Rico Suave."
"Lorenzo LLamas, on a motorcycle. Nice touch."
At first I thought it was Gerardo, the one hit wonder from the 90's that sang "Rico Suave."
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (OD2ni)
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Tonight I will unveil my revolutionary concept for American-Mexican relations. I call it, Dos Naciones, Un Presidente.
Aye, yay yay yay yay yay. Arriba!!!!
Aye, yay yay yay yay yay. Arriba!!!!
Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (8ZskC)
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I'd pay money to be in the audience for a Biden-Trump debate.
If they held it at the MGM Grand on a Saturday night, they could clean up.
If they held it at the MGM Grand on a Saturday night, they could clean up.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (/kI1Q)
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I'm probably not a deep enough thinker to figure it out, of course.
Posted by: Chupacabras at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (XiVKO)
You're a deep enough thinker to ask the question.
Posted by: Chupacabras at August 06, 2015 01:58 PM (XiVKO)
You're a deep enough thinker to ask the question.
Posted by: Mindy at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (dg8OI)
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (OSs/l)
Fair enough. By the by, the earlier thread was dead so I don't know if you saw my response, but I wanted to let you know I appreciate what you were trying to do, in spite of myself.
Fair enough. By the by, the earlier thread was dead so I don't know if you saw my response, but I wanted to let you know I appreciate what you were trying to do, in spite of myself.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (2Ojst)
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I have to say, as nice a guy and as smart a guy as Jonah Goldberg is, his influence has destroyed NR. Go look at some issues from the 70s. It's intellectual firepower on display. Today, it's Politico. The G-Filification of a once great magazine.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (evdj2)
I think Rich Lowry is in charge there.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (evdj2)
I think Rich Lowry is in charge there.
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (ZDJwC)
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2, you think Donald Trump wrote his books?
How sad for you.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (dciA+)
You have a point, there.
Judging from his Twitter feed, he has the towering intellect (and vocabulary) of an eighth grader.
How sad for you.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (dciA+)
You have a point, there.
Judging from his Twitter feed, he has the towering intellect (and vocabulary) of an eighth grader.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (9YRwm)
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>>>
At first I thought it was Gerardo, the one hit wonder from the 90's that sang "Rico Suave."
i was going to use him but there weren't pics that were actually all that good. Then I thought of Lorenzo.
At first I thought it was Gerardo, the one hit wonder from the 90's that sang "Rico Suave."
i was going to use him but there weren't pics that were actually all that good. Then I thought of Lorenzo.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (dciA+)
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1, i wouldn't read them either.
2, you think Donald Trump wrote his books?
How sad for you.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (dciA+)
No, ace, I'm saying that they all do it. Why pick on Trump? You think Hillary! wrote her many books on nothing?
I just... look, I know you feel people are "hero worshiping" and whatnot -- and there's some of that -- but I think most of us are just sick of this stupid dog and pony show every 4 years, and at least want to get to enjoy the show this time.
So no, Trump is not a conservative. He'd probably be a bad president. I doubt I agree with him on very many policies.
but that's true of virtually everyone running.
At least Trump can make me laugh while he's at it. And I do get a certain schadenboner out of watching him demean and yell at the media. Because I hate the media, too, and I'm sick of candidates treating them with so much reverence and taking their premises so seriously.
2, you think Donald Trump wrote his books?
How sad for you.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (dciA+)
No, ace, I'm saying that they all do it. Why pick on Trump? You think Hillary! wrote her many books on nothing?
I just... look, I know you feel people are "hero worshiping" and whatnot -- and there's some of that -- but I think most of us are just sick of this stupid dog and pony show every 4 years, and at least want to get to enjoy the show this time.
So no, Trump is not a conservative. He'd probably be a bad president. I doubt I agree with him on very many policies.
but that's true of virtually everyone running.
At least Trump can make me laugh while he's at it. And I do get a certain schadenboner out of watching him demean and yell at the media. Because I hate the media, too, and I'm sick of candidates treating them with so much reverence and taking their premises so seriously.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (AkOaV)
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The one actually responsible thing I would believe Trump could do is reform the civil service.
He would fire a lot of people, such up the lawsuits, and do away with the current civil service protections that allow unalloyed partisan hacks abuse their power.
He hates government workers with vendettas, that's clear enough.
The one actually responsible thing I would believe Trump could do is reform the civil service.
He would fire a lot of people, such up the lawsuits, and do away with the current civil service protections that allow unalloyed partisan hacks abuse their power.
He hates government workers with vendettas, that's clear enough.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (XIXZz)
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@19 Is this stupid Clinton/Bush thing because people secretly want monarchy, or is it because Americans are raised from birth to be brand loyal? There's gotta be a reason we're getting this shitty choice rammed down our throats. I'm probably not a deep enough thinker to figure it out, of course.
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From what I've heard, Jeb was supposed to be his father's successor in the White House. Bush 43 was never supposed to run, but did so anyway. If true, then there are a couple of possibilities that might suggest why his candidacy has been so weird.
First is the possibility that the Bush family as a whole has been working toward this goal since 1992 (i.e. when Bush lost to Clinton). So the Bush family has probably been pushing the establishment toward this for a very long time. If true, there's a lot of people who don't want to see a couple of decades of work wasted when Jeb doesn't clinch the nomination.
Second is the possibility that Jeb has been seeing his victory as inevitable, instead of realizing that he's got to actually work hard for it. His alcoholic brother got the nomination in 2000, so how hard can it be, right? Of course, alcoholic brother has had a lot of experience finding out just how hard life can screw you over, so he was willing to fight hard for it. I can't help but feel that Jeb, on the other hand, has had a few too many things delivered up to him - including lots of establishment support for his primary run.
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From what I've heard, Jeb was supposed to be his father's successor in the White House. Bush 43 was never supposed to run, but did so anyway. If true, then there are a couple of possibilities that might suggest why his candidacy has been so weird.
First is the possibility that the Bush family as a whole has been working toward this goal since 1992 (i.e. when Bush lost to Clinton). So the Bush family has probably been pushing the establishment toward this for a very long time. If true, there's a lot of people who don't want to see a couple of decades of work wasted when Jeb doesn't clinch the nomination.
Second is the possibility that Jeb has been seeing his victory as inevitable, instead of realizing that he's got to actually work hard for it. His alcoholic brother got the nomination in 2000, so how hard can it be, right? Of course, alcoholic brother has had a lot of experience finding out just how hard life can screw you over, so he was willing to fight hard for it. I can't help but feel that Jeb, on the other hand, has had a few too many things delivered up to him - including lots of establishment support for his primary run.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (3m3mw)
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>>>I think most of Trump's support comes from this at least on the right. Its not so much "yay Trump!" as "enough already the heck with these guys"
I don't even think it's support. I just don't care.
I got excited in 2010
I got excited in 2012
I Complied in 2014
.....fuck it. I'm not volunteering, I'm not donating and I may not even vote at all.
It is at least amusing for the political drama and unintentional hilarity. I'll give it that.
I don't even think it's support. I just don't care.
I got excited in 2010
I got excited in 2012
I Complied in 2014
.....fuck it. I'm not volunteering, I'm not donating and I may not even vote at all.
It is at least amusing for the political drama and unintentional hilarity. I'll give it that.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:27 PM (75gXb)
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Have you actually been out and about in "America" recently? In an urban or suburban area outside the deep red counties?
I live in a deeply red county and the only sign I have seen so far (OK, it's early yet) is for Bernie.
I live in a deeply red county and the only sign I have seen so far (OK, it's early yet) is for Bernie.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 06, 2015 02:27 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 06, 2015 02:27 PM (0FSuD)
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Let's see, $1 trillion divided by approximately 160 million women ....
What the hell is going inside those vajajays?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (OGm46)
There's a party goin' on right here!
A celebration, to last throughout the year!
What the hell is going inside those vajajays?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2015 02:04 PM (OGm46)
There's a party goin' on right here!
A celebration, to last throughout the year!
Posted by: Kool & the Gang at August 06, 2015 02:27 PM (02oLK)
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203
"Lorenzo LLamas, on a motorcycle. Nice touch."
At first I thought it was Gerardo, the one hit wonder from the 90's that sang "Rico Suave."
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (OD2ni)
That would have been perfect.
"Lorenzo LLamas, on a motorcycle. Nice touch."
At first I thought it was Gerardo, the one hit wonder from the 90's that sang "Rico Suave."
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (OD2ni)
That would have been perfect.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 06, 2015 02:27 PM (2Ojst)
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Has anyone listened to Dennis Prager lately? He has been in hysterics over the Iran deal, yet he doesn't seem to have the slightest understanding of Failure Theater and how it works! He still thinks we just have to make phone calls and maybe we can stop it.
The naivete would be sweet if it weren't so unseemly in a man his age.
The naivete would be sweet if it weren't so unseemly in a man his age.
Posted by: Kensington at August 06, 2015 02:27 PM (7Kbxu)
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I see ten people who are better than Obama, and (probably) worse than Romney would have been.
Ma, I'm ready for Kaboom.
Ma, I'm ready for Kaboom.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 06, 2015 02:27 PM (+4uXG)
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All in for Ted, Baby. Jebbie can masticate me man meat.
Posted by: maddogg at August 06, 2015 02:28 PM (xWW96)
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>>>No, ace, I'm saying that they all do it. Why pick on Trump? You think Hillary! wrote her many books on nothing?
because this idiot told me to "Read Trump's books."
Do I have to explain this to you? It was right there in the post, me quoting the guy telling me to do that.
because this idiot told me to "Read Trump's books."
Do I have to explain this to you? It was right there in the post, me quoting the guy telling me to do that.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:28 PM (dciA+)
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180 "I will not put up with the fucking hero worship. "
This country might not survive another politician. We desperately need a hero.
Do something. Make shit happen. Get everyone pulling in the same direction even if it's the wrong way.
This country might not survive another politician. We desperately need a hero.
Do something. Make shit happen. Get everyone pulling in the same direction even if it's the wrong way.
Posted by: jwest at August 06, 2015 02:28 PM (P/xrJ)
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Walker's positions don't synch up 100% with mine, but this is a guy who has literally had his life threatened by liberals, and stood firm for conservative policies. He's shown way more steel than Trump.
Posted by: Mike at August 06, 2015 02:25 PM (ISxUB)
That's irrelevant.
He doesn't call people losers, so he must be a candy-ass RINO.
Posted by: Mike at August 06, 2015 02:25 PM (ISxUB)
That's irrelevant.
He doesn't call people losers, so he must be a candy-ass RINO.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:28 PM (9YRwm)
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>>Walker's positions don't synch up 100% with mine, but this is a guy who has literally had his life threatened by liberals, and stood firm for conservative policies. He's shown way more steel than Trump.
That's pretty much where I am. I like Walker and I actually like the idea that his campaign is low key and not a reality show.
He's been tested in a very tough environment and performed. That's more than most on that stage can say.
That's pretty much where I am. I like Walker and I actually like the idea that his campaign is low key and not a reality show.
He's been tested in a very tough environment and performed. That's more than most on that stage can say.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2015 02:28 PM (OGm46)
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and BTW, Walker has balls the size of coconuts ( hair and all, you know )
counts for something, that does
counts for something, that does
Posted by: 2016 at August 06, 2015 02:28 PM (8CdUx)
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I tried some Old Bay. I guess you have to grow up on it because it was not good. Its like White Castle that way, I guess.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (39g3+)
You had better hope VIA doesn't see this or you're in deep shit.
I tried some Old Bay. I guess you have to grow up on it because it was not good. Its like White Castle that way, I guess.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (39g3+)
You had better hope VIA doesn't see this or you're in deep shit.
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:28 PM (ZDJwC)
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Ithink the American people are made of better stuff than you seem to believe. We can win this thing.
You're the reason Lucy gets to hold that ball every November.
You're the reason Lucy gets to hold that ball every November.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:28 PM (39g3+)
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Have you actually been out and about in "America" recently? In an urban or suburban area outside the deep red counties?
Oh hell, just set the DVR for Good Morning America tomorrow.
Oh hell, just set the DVR for Good Morning America tomorrow.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 02:28 PM (/kI1Q)
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"I tried some Old Bay. I guess you have to grow up on it because it was not good. Its like White Castle that way, I guess. "
Moved to Maryland in my late 20's and love Old Bay. That smell of crabs boiling doused with Old Bay is heavenly. My kids love it on their fries.
"I tried some Old Bay. I guess you have to grow up on it because it was not good. Its like White Castle that way, I guess. "
Moved to Maryland in my late 20's and love Old Bay. That smell of crabs boiling doused with Old Bay is heavenly. My kids love it on their fries.
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 06, 2015 02:28 PM (OD2ni)
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I can't wait until Trump calls Hillary fat.
Posted by: brak at August 06, 2015 02:28 PM (Tj+s6)
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***"Moron, heal thyself. First you bad mouth boiled peanuts,"***
That's where he lost me. Chris is dead to me now.
That's where he lost me. Chris is dead to me now.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 06, 2015 02:29 PM (xSCb6)
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I hate what my country has become. I hate the 51% who voted for Obama a SECOND TIME
I hate democrats, I hate progressives, I hate my neighbors, and I probably hate you too.
Other than that, I'm a really nice guy once you get to know me.
Posted by: Pyro Technical Support
Wow, it's like we're twins or something....
I hate what my country has become. I hate the 51% who voted for Obama a SECOND TIME
I hate democrats, I hate progressives, I hate my neighbors, and I probably hate you too.
Other than that, I'm a really nice guy once you get to know me.
Posted by: Pyro Technical Support
Wow, it's like we're twins or something....
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:29 PM (XIXZz)
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.....fuck it. I'm not volunteering, I'm not donating and I may not even vote at all.
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I got reamed (so to speak) for similar comments in an ONT couple weeks ago. Times are swiftly changing.
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I got reamed (so to speak) for similar comments in an ONT couple weeks ago. Times are swiftly changing.
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at August 06, 2015 02:29 PM (02oLK)
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Trump.is winning because Scott Walker likes Trump and has decided to kill.him last.
Posted by: Some Bad Line in an Ahnold Movie at August 06, 2015 02:29 PM (/HC6x)
Posted by: Moderate Salami -- Cecil the Dead Lion for Prez at August 06, 2015 02:29 PM (/Ho8c)
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I think Rich Lowry is in charge there.
That's why I said influence, not by his hand. I was a subscriber for thirty years, I saw the influence creep in. Jonah was hip and futurey at the time. The mag was old and stolid and they wanted to be more popular.
That's why I said influence, not by his hand. I was a subscriber for thirty years, I saw the influence creep in. Jonah was hip and futurey at the time. The mag was old and stolid and they wanted to be more popular.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:30 PM (evdj2)
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This is old but the White House if Trump became president : http://tinyurl.com/prvecb6
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 06, 2015 02:30 PM (TJCSB)
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Trump represents the only upheaval in a system that was gamed to deliver the GOP's selected candidate to market smoothly and trouble-free.
At this point, all I want is the process upset.
If Jeb! running behind forces him to keep sticking his foot in his mouth, that's great.
At this point, all I want is the process upset.
If Jeb! running behind forces him to keep sticking his foot in his mouth, that's great.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 06, 2015 02:30 PM (oVJmc)
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Trump is out in front now because 1). he has name recognition because of his TV show and 2) the general population isn't paying attention to any of this because the actual election for President is over a year away. If Marco Rubio had made it to the semifinals of Dancing With The Stars, he'd be polling huge now, too. In the grand scheme of things, "now" means nothing.
Posted by: joefl65 at August 06, 2015 02:31 PM (UFV5W)
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I think Carly Fiorina could take Huckabee in a bar fight, probably take Rand Paul if she snatched his toupee first.
Rick Perry would do OK if he were on his uppers and not his pain meds.
Ben Carson might just surprise everyone. I think, despite his mild demeanor, he has some fire in his belly and could throw a mean right hook.
Rick Perry would do OK if he were on his uppers and not his pain meds.
Ben Carson might just surprise everyone. I think, despite his mild demeanor, he has some fire in his belly and could throw a mean right hook.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 06, 2015 02:31 PM (OZmbA)
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What I would like to see in a debate is no moderators. Or at least no moderators asking questions. Somebody to referee and that's it.
If it could be done without some sort of cheating, the questions should come from the phones or from the audience.
Let's have real people ask the questions and not theses phoney semi celeb anchor people who all have an agenda and who are being paid by someone to be there. That should disqualify them right from the start.
Either that or a free for all or melee.
And Trial by Sword wouldn't be a bad idea either.
If it could be done without some sort of cheating, the questions should come from the phones or from the audience.
Let's have real people ask the questions and not theses phoney semi celeb anchor people who all have an agenda and who are being paid by someone to be there. That should disqualify them right from the start.
Either that or a free for all or melee.
And Trial by Sword wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 02:31 PM (x3GpS)
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Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (3m3mw)
The Bush family doesn't think like that. They have never had any dynasty ambitions but rather always had a sense of public service and politics was that conduit. Whether you agree with them or not, and I haven't agreed with Jeb since he was elected governor of Florida, they are in it for altruistic reasons.
The Bush family doesn't think like that. They have never had any dynasty ambitions but rather always had a sense of public service and politics was that conduit. Whether you agree with them or not, and I haven't agreed with Jeb since he was elected governor of Florida, they are in it for altruistic reasons.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (rfjjV)
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I honestly don't get the Trump hate any more than I get the Trump love.
I guess it's just the campaign season dark spirits bubbling up in the penumbras and emanations of the base.
I guess it's just the campaign season dark spirits bubbling up in the penumbras and emanations of the base.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)
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Ace wrote, 'It doesn't matter anyway, the country is doomed.'
You and the other Cassandras and Jeremiahs of the Let It Burn crowd need to buck the hell up. It does matter and no, we're not doomed--or at least it isn't a sure thing.
Mr. Maths & $128 Trillion Unfunded Liabilities would like a word with you......
You and the other Cassandras and Jeremiahs of the Let It Burn crowd need to buck the hell up. It does matter and no, we're not doomed--or at least it isn't a sure thing.
Mr. Maths & $128 Trillion Unfunded Liabilities would like a word with you......
Posted by: rickb223 at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (5weRM)
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Have you actually been out and about in "America" recently? In an urban or suburban area outside the deep red counties?
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:24 PM (XIXZz)
True enough, I live in a deep red county in a purplish state (Indiana), but yes, I actually have ventured outside the walls on occasion to explore the Dead Lands and the Wild Zones. Your point?
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:24 PM (XIXZz)
True enough, I live in a deep red county in a purplish state (Indiana), but yes, I actually have ventured outside the walls on occasion to explore the Dead Lands and the Wild Zones. Your point?
Posted by: troyriser at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (XHR9b)
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You'd think that with the complete lack of results the GOP has produced in the past 15 years (except for some masturbatory electoral wins), that the apologists would keep their yaps shut with the "You Must Vote For My Party" routine.
But here they are, again, selling us on losing.
But here they are, again, selling us on losing.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (xSCb6)
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The Bush family doesn't think like that. They have never had any dynasty ambitions but rather always had a sense of public service and politics was that conduit. Whether you agree with them or not, and I haven't agreed with Jeb since he was elected governor of Florida, they are in it for altruistic reasons.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (rfjjV)
hahahaha ahahahah ahahahhha hahaha
Yeah, okay bud.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (rfjjV)
hahahaha ahahahah ahahahhha hahaha
Yeah, okay bud.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)
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I can't wait until Trump calls Hillary fat.
Posted by: brak at August 06, 2015 02:28 PM (Tj+s6)
And recommends a "better" plastic surgeon since hers appears to have trained in the old Soviet Union.
Posted by: brak at August 06, 2015 02:28 PM (Tj+s6)
And recommends a "better" plastic surgeon since hers appears to have trained in the old Soviet Union.
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (ZDJwC)
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Ben Carson might just surprise everyone. I think, despite his mild demeanor, he has some fire in his belly and could throw a mean right hook.
I still like him the best. He's the smartest person on the stage.
I still like him the best. He's the smartest person on the stage.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (dhHd4)
Posted by: Fox News at DefCon 1 at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (8CdUx)
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (XIXZz)
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It's understandable Jeb's making some gaffes considering English isn't his first language.
As for people saying things are unthinkable, impossible, etc. you usually need to look at the person saying. Many times it's coming from someone with a vested interest in the thing being unthinkable and/or impossible.
As for people saying things are unthinkable, impossible, etc. you usually need to look at the person saying. Many times it's coming from someone with a vested interest in the thing being unthinkable and/or impossible.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (oFCZn)
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@89 How does one get classified as a D or an R? Do you fill out a form somewhere? When? Where?
And how would one formally disavow this classification?
Or maybe it's only certain states that do this, and not California, where I reside?
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Here in California, it's part of the voter registration form. I remember marking myself as a Republican back when I registered for the first time.
Most of the time in California, party affiliation doesn't really matter aside from which political party is sending you stuff in the mail. California has open primary laws that allow you to vote in either party's primaries without needing to be registered with that party. There is one exception, though. You can't vote in a presidential primary in California unless you're registered with that political party. But since the presidential primaries are almost always over before Californians get to vote, this doesn't really matter all that much.
And how would one formally disavow this classification?
Or maybe it's only certain states that do this, and not California, where I reside?
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Here in California, it's part of the voter registration form. I remember marking myself as a Republican back when I registered for the first time.
Most of the time in California, party affiliation doesn't really matter aside from which political party is sending you stuff in the mail. California has open primary laws that allow you to vote in either party's primaries without needing to be registered with that party. There is one exception, though. You can't vote in a presidential primary in California unless you're registered with that political party. But since the presidential primaries are almost always over before Californians get to vote, this doesn't really matter all that much.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (3m3mw)
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I'd pay money to be in the audience for a Biden-Trump debate.
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:21 PM (ZDJwC)
Gotcha covered:
259 I visualize the debates between Trump and Biden as going something like:
BIDEN: And take that weasel off your head!
TRUMP: Ohhhh, big words coming from a guy with hair plugs so deep they grew into his brain!
BIDEN: TAKE THAT BACK!
TRUMP: I know you are but what am I?
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 22, 2015 01:44 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:21 PM (ZDJwC)
Gotcha covered:
259 I visualize the debates between Trump and Biden as going something like:
BIDEN: And take that weasel off your head!
TRUMP: Ohhhh, big words coming from a guy with hair plugs so deep they grew into his brain!
BIDEN: TAKE THAT BACK!
TRUMP: I know you are but what am I?
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 22, 2015 01:44 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: joncelli, Penis Monster at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (RD7QR)
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You and the other Cassandras and Jeremiahs of the Let It Burn crowd
need to buck the hell up. It does matter and no, we're not doomed--or at
least it isn't a sure thing. Ithink the American people are made of
better stuff than you seem to believe. We can win this thing.
Your optimism is admirable, but I take considerable exception to the willful suspension of disbelief in your words. Were the American people actually made of better stuff, we would not be at this crossroads.
The American people are obviously, on the whole, apathetic, self-centered, and ignorant of the world around them, elsewise we would not constantly be speaking of low-information voters and highly effective left-wing media blackouts.
The slow rot of American values, enterpreneurship, pioneering spirit, work ethic, concern for one's fellow man, to say nothing of our sense of justice are on display for all to say over the past fifty, sixty years. This circumstantial evidence would seem to dictate that your belief in the inherent goodness of the current (and immediately previous) crop of American citizens are not so good as you believe.
Tl;DR: What, exactly, are you placing your faith in here? The righteousness of America? That will end in tears for you. At the end of the day, Americans are also human beings, susceptible to the same temptations and malaise that has claimed every other major civilization in world history. To believe that we are exempt from such things, that we are inherently greater than those that went before, is to misunderstand American history entirely.
It was never American exceptionalism, the betterness of the American man. It was the exceptionalism of the American opportunity, squandered, defiled, and discarded.
Power corrupts. Wealth corrupts. Nigh-impregnable safety corrupts. We have been too sheltered and spoiled for too long, and this is the electorate that has arisen from the many years of (relative) peace and plenty. This is where we are at; you should deal with the world as it exists, not as you wish it to be.
need to buck the hell up. It does matter and no, we're not doomed--or at
least it isn't a sure thing. Ithink the American people are made of
better stuff than you seem to believe. We can win this thing.
Your optimism is admirable, but I take considerable exception to the willful suspension of disbelief in your words. Were the American people actually made of better stuff, we would not be at this crossroads.
The American people are obviously, on the whole, apathetic, self-centered, and ignorant of the world around them, elsewise we would not constantly be speaking of low-information voters and highly effective left-wing media blackouts.
The slow rot of American values, enterpreneurship, pioneering spirit, work ethic, concern for one's fellow man, to say nothing of our sense of justice are on display for all to say over the past fifty, sixty years. This circumstantial evidence would seem to dictate that your belief in the inherent goodness of the current (and immediately previous) crop of American citizens are not so good as you believe.
Tl;DR: What, exactly, are you placing your faith in here? The righteousness of America? That will end in tears for you. At the end of the day, Americans are also human beings, susceptible to the same temptations and malaise that has claimed every other major civilization in world history. To believe that we are exempt from such things, that we are inherently greater than those that went before, is to misunderstand American history entirely.
It was never American exceptionalism, the betterness of the American man. It was the exceptionalism of the American opportunity, squandered, defiled, and discarded.
Power corrupts. Wealth corrupts. Nigh-impregnable safety corrupts. We have been too sheltered and spoiled for too long, and this is the electorate that has arisen from the many years of (relative) peace and plenty. This is where we are at; you should deal with the world as it exists, not as you wish it to be.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (6JL3d)
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Part of the voter registration form you complete at the DMV. In California, it is pre-filled as "Decmocrat"
Posted by: imp
I've never filled out a "voter registration form" at the DMV. I must have someone gotten registered when I turned 18, but have never take any actions about the topic since that time.
What I did (or what was dome automatically) when I turned 18 is lost in the mists of time.
Posted by: imp
I've never filled out a "voter registration form" at the DMV. I must have someone gotten registered when I turned 18, but have never take any actions about the topic since that time.
What I did (or what was dome automatically) when I turned 18 is lost in the mists of time.
Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (jBuUi)
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It would be hilarious if Trump became president, it's what the country deserves.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (TJCSB)
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He still thinks we just have to make phone calls and maybe we can stop it.
Yeah, its hard to believe after the last 6 years anyone sane would cling to that myth. They simply do not give a crap what we think in Congress. Do not care. They know they can ram it down our throats and eventually people give up fighting.
Yeah, its hard to believe after the last 6 years anyone sane would cling to that myth. They simply do not give a crap what we think in Congress. Do not care. They know they can ram it down our throats and eventually people give up fighting.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (39g3+)
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The Bush family doesn't think like that. They have never had any dynasty ambitions but rather always had a sense of public service and politics was that conduit. W
Posted by: Cruzinator
You're a loony.
The Bush family doesn't think like that. They have never had any dynasty ambitions but rather always had a sense of public service and politics was that conduit. W
Posted by: Cruzinator
You're a loony.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (kdS6q)
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and 2) the general population isn't paying attention to any of this
because the actual election for President is over a year away.
I'm just quoting this because it seems really important to remember.
because the actual election for President is over a year away.
I'm just quoting this because it seems really important to remember.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (/kI1Q)
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Meant to quote that first paragraph in my post at 256 in italics, kinda forgot after I kept writing...
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (6JL3d)
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>>>>2) the general population isn't paying attention to any of this because the actual election for President is over a year away. If Marco Rubio had made it to the semifinals of Dancing With The Stars, he'd be polling huge now, too. In the grand scheme of things, "now" means nothing.
That is a completely damning indictment of your fellow citizens'...and absolutely true.
We should totally run Commander Chandler from The Last Ship. Not the actor, Eric Dane. But the actual fucking character. Check his polling. I'd bet he stomps Hillary.
That is a completely damning indictment of your fellow citizens'...and absolutely true.
We should totally run Commander Chandler from The Last Ship. Not the actor, Eric Dane. But the actual fucking character. Check his polling. I'd bet he stomps Hillary.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (75gXb)
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>>>
You and the other Cassandras and Jeremiahs of the Let It Burn crowd need to buck the hell up. It does matter and no, we're not doomed--or at least it isn't a sure thing.
we will have a better America when we have better Americans.
And I'm not going to be co-dependent and tell these fools they're awesome and wise. They're dumb, lazy, selfish, grasping, envious, and ignorant.
I'm past the old "I trust the wisdom of the American people" bullshit.
It's time for tough love, except with less love.
You and the other Cassandras and Jeremiahs of the Let It Burn crowd need to buck the hell up. It does matter and no, we're not doomed--or at least it isn't a sure thing.
we will have a better America when we have better Americans.
And I'm not going to be co-dependent and tell these fools they're awesome and wise. They're dumb, lazy, selfish, grasping, envious, and ignorant.
I'm past the old "I trust the wisdom of the American people" bullshit.
It's time for tough love, except with less love.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (dciA+)
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Trump is no Conservative. But when you need a hit man, you don't care what color his eyes are as long as he shoots straight.
Death to the GOPe! Long live the Trump Revolution!
Oh, and fuck LBJ too!
Death to the GOPe! Long live the Trump Revolution!
Oh, and fuck LBJ too!
Posted by: Zombie Barry Goldwater at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (D0NZx)
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A comment I made on an earlier thread:
"Jeb's biggest problem was using the leftist euphemism "women's health" .... if he had substituted a truthful phrase such as "cutting up and selling fetuses" his remarks would have advanced the discussion usefully."
"Jeb's biggest problem was using the leftist euphemism "women's health" .... if he had substituted a truthful phrase such as "cutting up and selling fetuses" his remarks would have advanced the discussion usefully."
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 06, 2015 02:34 PM (go6ud)
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At least Trump has a hot wife. I'm sure guys would much rather see 4-8 years of her than Shrillary, so he has that going for him.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 06, 2015 02:34 PM (xVgrA)
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I'd gladly vote for Trump because...
See this is what bothers me. Not that Trump is doing well, because F the Republican Party and the republic is doomed anyway.
No, my problem is that people are gullible enough to believe that he really thinks and believes anything he's saying now.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:25 PM (39g3+)
Oh shit, he's lying to us! I guess I should vote for the Establishment candidate who would never lie to us or stab us in the back.
See this is what bothers me. Not that Trump is doing well, because F the Republican Party and the republic is doomed anyway.
No, my problem is that people are gullible enough to believe that he really thinks and believes anything he's saying now.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:25 PM (39g3+)
Oh shit, he's lying to us! I guess I should vote for the Establishment candidate who would never lie to us or stab us in the back.
Posted by: Ken at August 06, 2015 02:34 PM (LXJ1e)
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Speak like a self-respecting, intelligent adult, for the love of Christ.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (dciA+)
Dr. Lexus had something to say about that.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:22 PM (dciA+)
Dr. Lexus had something to say about that.
Posted by: wooga at August 06, 2015 02:35 PM (mPCqj)
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>>>"Jeb's biggest problem was using the leftist euphemism "women's health" .... if he had substituted a truthful phrase such as "cutting up and selling fetuses" his remarks would have advanced the discussion usefully."
i think that's exactly right. in his effort to be a Polite Company Conservative and euphemize what he was talking about, he gaffed.
Kind of like Kelly Osbourne.
i think that's exactly right. in his effort to be a Polite Company Conservative and euphemize what he was talking about, he gaffed.
Kind of like Kelly Osbourne.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:35 PM (dciA+)
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"You had better hope VIA doesn't see this or you're in deep shit."
Oh......
I saw it.
And I weep.
I weep for the future that he could have had.
Before the bad things happened.
Oh......
I saw it.
And I weep.
I weep for the future that he could have had.
Before the bad things happened.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 06, 2015 02:35 PM (VPLuQ)
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"2, you think Donald Trump wrote his books?"
Yeah, I actually think he did write them. He actually works for a living and so is used to...you know...work.
Yeah, I actually think he did write them. He actually works for a living and so is used to...you know...work.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 06, 2015 02:35 PM (BmnL5)
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"From what I've heard, Jeb was supposed to be his father's successor in the White House. Bush 43 was never supposed to run, but did so anyway. If true, then there are a couple of possibilities that might suggest why his candidacy has been so weird."
That's what I heard, but the 1994 governor races in Texas and Florida screwed that plan up. Jeb was supposed to win and Gerorge W was supposed to lose. The opposite happened and the rest is history.
"From what I've heard, Jeb was supposed to be his father's successor in the White House. Bush 43 was never supposed to run, but did so anyway. If true, then there are a couple of possibilities that might suggest why his candidacy has been so weird."
That's what I heard, but the 1994 governor races in Texas and Florida screwed that plan up. Jeb was supposed to win and Gerorge W was supposed to lose. The opposite happened and the rest is history.
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 06, 2015 02:36 PM (OD2ni)
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TRUMP!!!
We've had 8 years of Gilligan in control.
If we're gonna sink the Minnow lets do it in style.
With Thurston Howell III at the wheel!
We've had 8 years of Gilligan in control.
If we're gonna sink the Minnow lets do it in style.
With Thurston Howell III at the wheel!
Posted by: harley1911 at August 06, 2015 02:36 PM (SHCNy)
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>>>Yeah, I actually think he did write them. He actually works for a living and so is used to...you know...work.
that's adorable
that's adorable
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:36 PM (dciA+)
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263 >>>>2) the general population isn't paying attention to any of this because the actual election for President is over a year away.
Lots of people are curious to see what Trump does though. I think the first few minutes will have a large crowd.
Lots of people are curious to see what Trump does though. I think the first few minutes will have a large crowd.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 06, 2015 02:36 PM (dhHd4)
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Your point?
Posted by: troyriser
OUR America is no more. I grew up like you, I imagine, and believe(d) largely along the same lines you do. I venerate the Founders, see the wisdom in the limited government set up by the Constitution, and hold fast to our traditions of independence and liberty.
Most of the country doesn't do that anymore. They are either too dumb, too selfish, to shallow, or all of the above to think hard about anything political. We have truly gone into the Idiocracy, and I can't wait for it to go down in flames. I would rather it do so now, while I can protect my family, than when I'm feeble and the spirit of freedom is all but gone form the living generations.
Your point?
Posted by: troyriser
OUR America is no more. I grew up like you, I imagine, and believe(d) largely along the same lines you do. I venerate the Founders, see the wisdom in the limited government set up by the Constitution, and hold fast to our traditions of independence and liberty.
Most of the country doesn't do that anymore. They are either too dumb, too selfish, to shallow, or all of the above to think hard about anything political. We have truly gone into the Idiocracy, and I can't wait for it to go down in flames. I would rather it do so now, while I can protect my family, than when I'm feeble and the spirit of freedom is all but gone form the living generations.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:36 PM (XIXZz)
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You and the other Cassandras and Jeremiahs of the Let It Burn crowd need to buck the hell up. It does matter and no, we're not doomed--or at least it isn't a sure thing. I think the American people are made of better stuff than you seem to believe. We can win this thing.
I appreciate your enthusiasm and passion but we're not pessimists. We were you, a few years ago. We just learned the truth sooner. You'll be over here soon enough.
Whether you agree with them or not, and I haven't agreed with Jeb since he was elected governor of Florida, they are in it for altruistic reasons.
I believe Bush the elder and younger were that way, but I don't get that feeling from Jeb at all, not even a little.
I appreciate your enthusiasm and passion but we're not pessimists. We were you, a few years ago. We just learned the truth sooner. You'll be over here soon enough.
Whether you agree with them or not, and I haven't agreed with Jeb since he was elected governor of Florida, they are in it for altruistic reasons.
I believe Bush the elder and younger were that way, but I don't get that feeling from Jeb at all, not even a little.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:36 PM (39g3+)
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261 and 2) the general population isn't paying attention to any of this
because the actual election for President is over a year away.
I'm just quoting this because it seems really important to remember.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (/kI1Q)
Here's what I've realized.
That's always true.
10-20% of the population at best watches some form of news on TV (cable or broadcast). The rest maybe catch random articles on Facebook or Yahoo or whatever. Or maybe not.
And yet the smart people in the "DC bubble" and the Acela line (who will never vote R in a million years anyways) act like "ooh this thing Trump said a year before the election that maybe 3 million people know about is going to crush him when 150 million people go out to vote."
Because here's the thing -- Luntz's Dunces on Fox News? that's the electorate. Not us. Not the dem activists. Them.
because the actual election for President is over a year away.
I'm just quoting this because it seems really important to remember.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (/kI1Q)
Here's what I've realized.
That's always true.
10-20% of the population at best watches some form of news on TV (cable or broadcast). The rest maybe catch random articles on Facebook or Yahoo or whatever. Or maybe not.
And yet the smart people in the "DC bubble" and the Acela line (who will never vote R in a million years anyways) act like "ooh this thing Trump said a year before the election that maybe 3 million people know about is going to crush him when 150 million people go out to vote."
Because here's the thing -- Luntz's Dunces on Fox News? that's the electorate. Not us. Not the dem activists. Them.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:36 PM (AkOaV)
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I like Ben Carson too. However, I cannot picture him wringing Pelosi's wrinkled throat or repeatedly kicking Hairy Reed in the raisins, soooooooooo...TED!
Posted by: maddogg at August 06, 2015 02:36 PM (xWW96)
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>Oh shit, he's lying to us! I guess I should vote for the Establishment candidate who would never lie to us or stab us in the back.
Some people don't seem to get this.
Trump, at least, is putting up a fight. Proudly. He's talking about issues that need to be talked about, he's not mincing words. Watching people who defend establishment GOP say things like 'Trump is not sincere! He's actually more liberal than he lets on!' as if that's supposed to be damning is hilarious.
Some people don't seem to get this.
Trump, at least, is putting up a fight. Proudly. He's talking about issues that need to be talked about, he's not mincing words. Watching people who defend establishment GOP say things like 'Trump is not sincere! He's actually more liberal than he lets on!' as if that's supposed to be damning is hilarious.
Posted by: Crude at August 06, 2015 02:37 PM (DUynq)
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.....fuck it. I'm not volunteering, I'm not donating and I may not even vote at all.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:27 PM (75gXb)
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I don't get this. At all.
I completely understand that lots of people would be dissapointed if Jeb, Rubio or any of the other 'RINOs' were to win the nomination, but do you seriously think that it would be better to repeat the last 8 years of hell?
Even if the GOP nominee is a total douche nozzle squish, they would still be better than ANY of the Dem candidates.
Fucking hell. Do you think we'd be bending over with the Mullahs if Romney was elected? Would Americas moral status in the world decrease more if Rubio were to be President?
To all the people who stayed home in '12, go fuck yourself.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:27 PM (75gXb)
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I don't get this. At all.
I completely understand that lots of people would be dissapointed if Jeb, Rubio or any of the other 'RINOs' were to win the nomination, but do you seriously think that it would be better to repeat the last 8 years of hell?
Even if the GOP nominee is a total douche nozzle squish, they would still be better than ANY of the Dem candidates.
Fucking hell. Do you think we'd be bending over with the Mullahs if Romney was elected? Would Americas moral status in the world decrease more if Rubio were to be President?
To all the people who stayed home in '12, go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:37 PM (9VLhN)
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@257 I've never filled out a "voter registration form" at the DMV. I must have someone gotten registered when I turned 18, but have never take any actions about the topic since that time.
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I remember when Clinton was in office, there was an attempt to pass "Motor Voter" laws that would automatically register you to vote when you renewed your driver's license. You would need to actively say no in order to not have that happen.
I don't remember what happened with it, though.
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I remember when Clinton was in office, there was an attempt to pass "Motor Voter" laws that would automatically register you to vote when you renewed your driver's license. You would need to actively say no in order to not have that happen.
I don't remember what happened with it, though.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:37 PM (3m3mw)
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From last thread:
I don't know what you mean by "left eye dominant",
Posted by: OregonMuse
With both eyes open, hold your thumb up to cover a light switch. Close one eye. Notice where your thumb is. Open it. Close the other eye. Now notice where your
thumb is. Whichever eye didn't have your thumb move off of the light switch is your dominate eye.
Me? Left handed, right eye dominate.
I don't know what you mean by "left eye dominant",
Posted by: OregonMuse
With both eyes open, hold your thumb up to cover a light switch. Close one eye. Notice where your thumb is. Open it. Close the other eye. Now notice where your
thumb is. Whichever eye didn't have your thumb move off of the light switch is your dominate eye.
Me? Left handed, right eye dominate.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 06, 2015 02:37 PM (5weRM)
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If Trump wins the nomination, I'm going to predict it comes with record LOW turnout among Republicans for the primaries.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:37 PM (75gXb)
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"We should totally run Commander Chandler from The Last Ship. Not the actor, Eric Dane. But the actual fucking character. Check his polling. I'd bet he stomps Hillary."
What's wrong with going President/Vice President right off the CO/XO thing?
Those are two good characters right there.
I was surprised at how much I liked the series.
I was fully prepared to hate it.
What's wrong with going President/Vice President right off the CO/XO thing?
Those are two good characters right there.
I was surprised at how much I liked the series.
I was fully prepared to hate it.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 06, 2015 02:38 PM (VPLuQ)
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241 Ben Carson has a reputation for his ability with a knife
Posted by: MAx at August 06, 2015 02:38 PM (LAliD)
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From what I've heard, Jeb was supposed to be his
father's successor in the White House. Bush 43 was never supposed to
run, but did so anyway. If true, then there are a couple of
possibilities that might suggest why his candidacy has been so weird.
First is the possibility that the Bush family as a whole has been
working toward this goal since 1992 (i.e. when Bush lost to Clinton).
So the Bush family has probably been pushing the establishment toward
this for a very long time. If true, there's a lot of people who don't
want to see a couple of decades of work wasted when Jeb doesn't clinch
the nomination.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (3m3mw)
This is true - Jeb was supposed to be the natural politician and the "smart one" and was supposed to run for President in 1996 or 2000. But, he lost his first campaign for governor of FL, and W won his first campaign for governor of TX, so when 2000 rolled around, Jeb wasn't ready yet.
The establishment decided to have W run because Jeb couldn't. but Jeb was always supposed to be "The One" from the Bush family. I recall articles on him prior to 2000 essentially saying he was the heir apparent to papa Bush and extolling all of his virtues. There was tons of buzz about him back then - allegedly smart, allegedly a gifted natural politician, and married to a Hispanic woman. There was no buzz or talk whatsoever about W ever running for president.
And, had we not had W, Jeb might seem like a good candidate. He would have been a great candidate in 2000 had he been ready (by that I mean, enough time as governor to be a credible candidate). But time and issues have passed him by. The GOP base is not where it was in 2000, or even where it was in 2008 or 2012.
Jeb still thinks its 1992 and he can run as if it is 1992. That is his problem.
father's successor in the White House. Bush 43 was never supposed to
run, but did so anyway. If true, then there are a couple of
possibilities that might suggest why his candidacy has been so weird.
First is the possibility that the Bush family as a whole has been
working toward this goal since 1992 (i.e. when Bush lost to Clinton).
So the Bush family has probably been pushing the establishment toward
this for a very long time. If true, there's a lot of people who don't
want to see a couple of decades of work wasted when Jeb doesn't clinch
the nomination.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:26 PM (3m3mw)
This is true - Jeb was supposed to be the natural politician and the "smart one" and was supposed to run for President in 1996 or 2000. But, he lost his first campaign for governor of FL, and W won his first campaign for governor of TX, so when 2000 rolled around, Jeb wasn't ready yet.
The establishment decided to have W run because Jeb couldn't. but Jeb was always supposed to be "The One" from the Bush family. I recall articles on him prior to 2000 essentially saying he was the heir apparent to papa Bush and extolling all of his virtues. There was tons of buzz about him back then - allegedly smart, allegedly a gifted natural politician, and married to a Hispanic woman. There was no buzz or talk whatsoever about W ever running for president.
And, had we not had W, Jeb might seem like a good candidate. He would have been a great candidate in 2000 had he been ready (by that I mean, enough time as governor to be a credible candidate). But time and issues have passed him by. The GOP base is not where it was in 2000, or even where it was in 2008 or 2012.
Jeb still thinks its 1992 and he can run as if it is 1992. That is his problem.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 06, 2015 02:38 PM (3ZtZW)
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In July of 2007 Guiliani was winning national polls with >30% of the R's. Trump won't be the nominee. I think he is refreshing because he doesn't talk like a politician.
Someone will separate themselves and we'll have a politician as the R nominee. Hopefully it ain't Jeb.
Someone will separate themselves and we'll have a politician as the R nominee. Hopefully it ain't Jeb.
Posted by: Timon at August 06, 2015 02:38 PM (ZDJwC)
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Lots of people are curious to see what Trump does though. I think the first few minutes will have a large crowd.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 06, 2015 02:36 PM (dhHd4)
I think a lot of people living in our little 'wonk bubble' will tune in. I don't think the general population even knows there's a debate scheduled for tonight.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 06, 2015 02:36 PM (dhHd4)
I think a lot of people living in our little 'wonk bubble' will tune in. I don't think the general population even knows there's a debate scheduled for tonight.
Posted by: joefl65 at August 06, 2015 02:38 PM (UFV5W)
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Such has been our wealth and power that our country has become Neverland where children never need to grow up.
My prediction? Pain.
My prediction? Pain.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:38 PM (evdj2)
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The Bush family doesn't think like that. They have never had any dynasty ambitions but rather always had a sense of public service and politics was that conduit. W
Posted by: Cruzinator
Found the Bush
Posted by: Cruzinator
Found the Bush
Posted by: brak at August 06, 2015 02:39 PM (Tj+s6)
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I'm at least tepidly behind Rand Paul because he's the only candidate thatI have much hope that he would at least try to reduce the insidious infestation of the federal government into every aspect of human life. Maybe Cruz too. That's about it. Not thrilled with either of those guys but I'd be willing to vote for them. The rest of them are simply milder statists than the Donks.
And, quite honestly, I couldn't give a flying fuck about anyone's foreign policy positions right now. If we don't have a president who's willing to swing the axe on the government, none of the rest of it matters much because the country will bankrupt itself sooner than most people think.
I'm at least tepidly behind Rand Paul because he's the only candidate thatI have much hope that he would at least try to reduce the insidious infestation of the federal government into every aspect of human life. Maybe Cruz too. That's about it. Not thrilled with either of those guys but I'd be willing to vote for them. The rest of them are simply milder statists than the Donks.
And, quite honestly, I couldn't give a flying fuck about anyone's foreign policy positions right now. If we don't have a president who's willing to swing the axe on the government, none of the rest of it matters much because the country will bankrupt itself sooner than most people think.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 02:39 PM (kQfqk)
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How do you say "cuckold" in espanol?
Posted by: Fritz at August 06, 2015 02:39 PM (UzPAd)
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Yeah, I actually think he did write them. He actually works for a living and so is used to...you know...work.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 06, 2015 02:35 PM (BmnL5)
No one writes their own books.
Except for, you know, writers.
Even college professors often get their books ghost written. Even the absolute nobodies who nobody gives a shit about.
because
a) writing is a lot of work, and more difficult then it seems
and
b) who's got time for that when you have other shit to do?
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 06, 2015 02:35 PM (BmnL5)
No one writes their own books.
Except for, you know, writers.
Even college professors often get their books ghost written. Even the absolute nobodies who nobody gives a shit about.
because
a) writing is a lot of work, and more difficult then it seems
and
b) who's got time for that when you have other shit to do?
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:39 PM (AkOaV)
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I've never filled out a "voter registration form" at the DMV. I must have someone gotten registered when I turned 18, but have never take any actions about the topic since that time.
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Same here, zombie.
I registered at 18 in '85. I chose neither D nor R, but that didn't automatically make me an I, I don't think.
I get mailers from both sides, but mostly D's. Never had I phone call from a pol that I can recall.
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Same here, zombie.
I registered at 18 in '85. I chose neither D nor R, but that didn't automatically make me an I, I don't think.
I get mailers from both sides, but mostly D's. Never had I phone call from a pol that I can recall.
Posted by: Chi at August 06, 2015 02:39 PM (yB0WD)
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Oh shit, he's lying to us! I guess I should vote for the Establishment candidate who would never lie to us or stab us in the back.
I don't care who you vote for; like I said it doesn't matter at this point. I just don't want people to believe his astonishingly transparent BS. For their own sakes.
I don't care who you vote for; like I said it doesn't matter at this point. I just don't want people to believe his astonishingly transparent BS. For their own sakes.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:39 PM (39g3+)
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Put aside Jeb's name and politics for a second.
This guy has been out of the game for SIX years.
If you're an establishment guy, I don't think this would be my guy. Why go with him over a Christie, Kasich or Rubio? He doesn't seem remotely sharp.
He acts like a man who just expects the nomination to be handed to him. He's just not that great a candidate. Neither is Hillary. So, why give her a push in that department?
This guy has been out of the game for SIX years.
If you're an establishment guy, I don't think this would be my guy. Why go with him over a Christie, Kasich or Rubio? He doesn't seem remotely sharp.
He acts like a man who just expects the nomination to be handed to him. He's just not that great a candidate. Neither is Hillary. So, why give her a push in that department?
Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at August 06, 2015 02:39 PM (5YOwm)
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"That is definitionally retrograde: The law has not been such for like 30 years."
Doesn't that depend upon the State?
Maybe old English Common Law got changed in NY. But I am not so sure about other States.
Doesn't that depend upon the State?
Maybe old English Common Law got changed in NY. But I am not so sure about other States.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 06, 2015 02:39 PM (1ijHg)
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"Whichever eye didn't have your thumb move off of the light switch is your dominate eye.
How you gonna shoot a gun with your thumb on the light switch?
How you gonna shoot a gun with your thumb on the light switch?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 06, 2015 02:39 PM (VPLuQ)
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"Rick Perry would do OK if he were on his uppers and not his pain meds."
Send him out there on both at once.
"I remember now! I'm going to repeal the Department of... Elephants. Yes, that's it. Also the Department of Loud Things, and the Department of Overcooked Cheeseburgers."
Send him out there on both at once.
"I remember now! I'm going to repeal the Department of... Elephants. Yes, that's it. Also the Department of Loud Things, and the Department of Overcooked Cheeseburgers."
Posted by: torquewrench at August 06, 2015 02:39 PM (noWW6)
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1. Many states ask you what party you are when you register to vote. This determines which party's primary you take part in. You can tell which party you are registered for when you get mailings from your local whoever-handles-voting.
I don't get any mail of any kind regarding "voting." Never have. I just show up on voting day and vote. (And since this is CA, they never ask for ID either!)
I guess I've never voted in a primary. The entire concept of a "primary" in California is farcical anyway. Everything is pre-set.
2. You can, of course, also join the party directly, which has nothing to do with voting. But I'm guessing you would remember if you did that.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair
I definitely never did that. And never will.
I don't get any mail of any kind regarding "voting." Never have. I just show up on voting day and vote. (And since this is CA, they never ask for ID either!)
I guess I've never voted in a primary. The entire concept of a "primary" in California is farcical anyway. Everything is pre-set.
2. You can, of course, also join the party directly, which has nothing to do with voting. But I'm guessing you would remember if you did that.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair
I definitely never did that. And never will.
Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2015 02:40 PM (jBuUi)
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"And I'm not going to be co-dependent and tell these fools they're awesome and wise. They're dumb, lazy, selfish, grasping, envious, and ignorant."
How could you say that about the people who made Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer major stars.
"And I'm not going to be co-dependent and tell these fools they're awesome and wise. They're dumb, lazy, selfish, grasping, envious, and ignorant."
How could you say that about the people who made Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer major stars.
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 06, 2015 02:40 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:40 PM (dciA+)
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Fucking hell. Do you think we'd be bending over with the Mullahs if Romney was elected?
Romney went after Ted Cruz over Iran for his 'intemperate' speech.
Romney went after Ted Cruz over Iran for his 'intemperate' speech.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 06, 2015 02:40 PM (dhHd4)
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why is it apparently a puzzle that men are going to pee when they have a full bladder, no matter where they are. Women have some apparel constraints and modesty but men don't. Especially homeless men (which is the majority). Also women can usually avail themselves of facilities in places that will refuse to do the same for a man.
How do we build cities and make no accommodations for people to pee? What kind of civilization are we to completely ignore a simple fact of our biology? And on top of that make it a crime to do so even in extremis.
It's amazing to me that we still act like it's the 17th century in some things.
How do we build cities and make no accommodations for people to pee? What kind of civilization are we to completely ignore a simple fact of our biology? And on top of that make it a crime to do so even in extremis.
It's amazing to me that we still act like it's the 17th century in some things.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 02:40 PM (x3GpS)
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Jeb is determined to win the nomination while flinging fuckyouse at the base. Lets see how that works out for that dipshit.
Posted by: maddogg at August 06, 2015 02:40 PM (xWW96)
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There is only two choices here.
1) Bought and owned establishment candidates who will give us more global establishment crap. All of them are owned. Walker and Cruz too. Not to mention Cruz is a Canadian/Cuban and a non-natural born citizen. I know how much many here hates the Constitution but it's a fact.
2) Or Trump
Trump might have been a risk in the past but we have the Uniparty now so there is no risk in voting for him. I'll give him a chance.
1) Bought and owned establishment candidates who will give us more global establishment crap. All of them are owned. Walker and Cruz too. Not to mention Cruz is a Canadian/Cuban and a non-natural born citizen. I know how much many here hates the Constitution but it's a fact.
2) Or Trump
Trump might have been a risk in the past but we have the Uniparty now so there is no risk in voting for him. I'll give him a chance.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 06, 2015 02:40 PM (BmnL5)
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I remember when Clinton was in office, there was an
attempt to pass "Motor Voter" laws that would automatically register you
to vote when you renewed your driver's license. You would need to
actively say no in order to not have that happen.
I don't remember what happened with it, though.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:37 PM (3m3mw)
Dems are still pushing it. I believe a few states even have it (I could be wrong though).
attempt to pass "Motor Voter" laws that would automatically register you
to vote when you renewed your driver's license. You would need to
actively say no in order to not have that happen.
I don't remember what happened with it, though.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:37 PM (3m3mw)
Dems are still pushing it. I believe a few states even have it (I could be wrong though).
Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 06, 2015 02:40 PM (3ZtZW)
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I did see your reply. I would encourage you not to confuse God with life, although when we are getting hammered we can all do that.
http://tinyurl.com/qhf27m5
I would like you to think of the bright blessing your daughter is-the daughter whom you don't want to buy trampy looking Halloween outfits for when you go trick or treating with. :^) You probably have no idea how many people whose life you touch in a positive way even if you don't feel positive about thing right now. They care about you. Don't let the anger take you away from them prematurely.
I care about you, brother.
http://tinyurl.com/qhf27m5
I would like you to think of the bright blessing your daughter is-the daughter whom you don't want to buy trampy looking Halloween outfits for when you go trick or treating with. :^) You probably have no idea how many people whose life you touch in a positive way even if you don't feel positive about thing right now. They care about you. Don't let the anger take you away from them prematurely.
I care about you, brother.
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Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)
From all your posts I've read I would guess you're under 30.
From all your posts I've read I would guess you're under 30.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 06, 2015 02:40 PM (rfjjV)
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***"Moron, heal thyself. First you bad mouth boiled peanuts,"***
That's where he lost me. Chris is dead to me now.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 06, 2015 02:29 PM (xSCb6)
I think an intervention would work. Good boiled green peanuts, some real BBQ, aka PORK, some steamed crabs with Old Bay sprinkled on them and yes, cause we love you, some peach moonshine and Dixie Beer.
***"Moron, heal thyself. First you bad mouth boiled peanuts,"***
That's where he lost me. Chris is dead to me now.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 06, 2015 02:29 PM (xSCb6)
I think an intervention would work. Good boiled green peanuts, some real BBQ, aka PORK, some steamed crabs with Old Bay sprinkled on them and yes, cause we love you, some peach moonshine and Dixie Beer.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 06, 2015 02:41 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:41 PM (evdj2)
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#310-For Insomniac
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 02:41 PM (OSs/l)
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the funny thing about programmed, bloodless, unintelligble is that Obama is all these things. He just goes out an mumbles some incoherent half truths.
I follow Knoller just because of the various burbling untruths he's obligated t report come out from the white house.
I follow Knoller just because of the various burbling untruths he's obligated t report come out from the white house.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 06, 2015 02:41 PM (664w+)
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Even if the GOP nominee is a total douche nozzle squish, they would still be better than ANY of the Dem candidates.
Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:37 PM (9VLhN)
cite your sources.
Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:37 PM (9VLhN)
cite your sources.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:41 PM (AkOaV)
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Correction: Wow, this one was bad. I mis-read the article AllahPundit cited and came away with the bizarrely stupid idea that we spend one trillion per year on women's health.
That figure is for all health care.
Posted by: Ace
so only $990 billion on women's health
That figure is for all health care.
Posted by: Ace
so only $990 billion on women's health
Posted by: X at August 06, 2015 02:42 PM (xGNLA)
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do you seriously think that it would be better to repeat the last 8 years of hell?
Yes.
Any other questions?
do you seriously think that it would be better to repeat the last 8 years of hell?
Yes.
Any other questions?
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:42 PM (XIXZz)
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"To all the people who stayed home in '12, go fuck yourself."
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No, it is the candidate's job to inspire the voter. It is not the voter's job to drag the terrible candidate's sorry ass across the finish line even as they do their damndest to lose the race, as Romney did and as McCain did before him.
2012 wasn't the voters's fault. That was all on the GOP. At least the parts that didn't involve overt fraud.
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No, it is the candidate's job to inspire the voter. It is not the voter's job to drag the terrible candidate's sorry ass across the finish line even as they do their damndest to lose the race, as Romney did and as McCain did before him.
2012 wasn't the voters's fault. That was all on the GOP. At least the parts that didn't involve overt fraud.
Posted by: Kensington at August 06, 2015 02:42 PM (7Kbxu)
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I think a lot of people living in our little 'wonk bubble' will tune in. I don't think the general population even knows there's a debate scheduled for tonight.
Posted by: joefl65 at August 06, 2015 02:38 PM (UFV5W)
It's anecdotal, but the woman who runs the daycare I send my kids to is tuning in. She's not a politico by any stretch.
The Apprentice was a hit show. I'm betting Trump draws a crowd.
Posted by: joefl65 at August 06, 2015 02:38 PM (UFV5W)
It's anecdotal, but the woman who runs the daycare I send my kids to is tuning in. She's not a politico by any stretch.
The Apprentice was a hit show. I'm betting Trump draws a crowd.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 06, 2015 02:42 PM (dhHd4)
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"... Jeb was always supposed to be 'The One' from the Bush family. I recall articles on him prior to 2000 essentially saying he was the heir apparent to papa Bush"
Because there were just so many things about the first Bush presidency for conservatives to recall fondly.
Because there were just so many things about the first Bush presidency for conservatives to recall fondly.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 06, 2015 02:42 PM (noWW6)
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>>>>I completely understand that lots of people would be dissapointed if Jeb, Rubio or any of the other 'RINOs' were to win the nomination, but do you seriously think that it would be better to repeat the last 8 years of hell?
While I respect your desire to tough it out...nah. I'm out.
I think this country is a fucking disaster. It's not the candidates or even the parties really. It's the people. It's the voters. They are dumb, easily mislead and eager to divy up the spoils of the crumbling American empire. I think it's finally been broken.
The next political movement I'll get genuinely excited for is the one that starts openly, intelligently and explicitly discussing a bloodless and organized secession.
Until then...enjoy the puppet show.
While I respect your desire to tough it out...nah. I'm out.
I think this country is a fucking disaster. It's not the candidates or even the parties really. It's the people. It's the voters. They are dumb, easily mislead and eager to divy up the spoils of the crumbling American empire. I think it's finally been broken.
The next political movement I'll get genuinely excited for is the one that starts openly, intelligently and explicitly discussing a bloodless and organized secession.
Until then...enjoy the puppet show.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:42 PM (75gXb)
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:42 PM (XIXZz)
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I think Krisp Krispy would not fare well in the bar fight. He's got the weight advantage, OK, but no endurance because of it. He will be sweaty and hard to connect with for that reason. On the floor panting after three or four swings, though.
Now Walker, he's an unknown. I suspect he might have a little more street fight experience than the usual Ivy league Easterner, so I'm keeping him in mind as one of the last standing.
Cruz, being a cuban, can probably move well, and dodge, so there's that . . .
Now Walker, he's an unknown. I suspect he might have a little more street fight experience than the usual Ivy league Easterner, so I'm keeping him in mind as one of the last standing.
Cruz, being a cuban, can probably move well, and dodge, so there's that . . .
Posted by: Sphynx at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (OZmbA)
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@288 And, had we not had W, Jeb might seem like a good candidate. He would have been a great candidate in 2000 had he been ready (by that I mean, enough time as governor to be a credible candidate). But time and issues have passed him by. The GOP base is not where it was in 2000, or even where it was in 2008 or 2012.
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Jeb as he is now still would have pancaked in 2000. He comes across as too condescending. Bush 43 might not have agreed with the party base at times. But he never - so far as I can recall - openly antagonized them the way that Jeb does.
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Jeb as he is now still would have pancaked in 2000. He comes across as too condescending. Bush 43 might not have agreed with the party base at times. But he never - so far as I can recall - openly antagonized them the way that Jeb does.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (3m3mw)
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Even if the GOP nominee is a total douche nozzle squish, they would still be better than ANY of the Dem candidates.
The first step toward recovery from an addiction is acknowledging that you have a problem.
The first step toward recovery from an addiction is acknowledging that you have a problem.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (8ZskC)
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If we're going full reality show clown this time out, I say we encourage Trump to name Caitlin Jenner his running mate.
That might actually attract some lefty votes.
The clown car always has room for one more, you know.
That might actually attract some lefty votes.
The clown car always has room for one more, you know.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (9YRwm)
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270 >>>"Jeb's biggest problem was using the leftist euphemism "women's health" .... if he had substituted a truthful phrase such as "cutting up and selling fetuses" his remarks would have advanced the discussion usefully."
i think that's exactly right. in his effort to be a Polite Company Conservative and euphemize what he was talking about, he gaffed.
Kind of like Kelly Osbourne.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:35 PM (dciA+)
Yessirree. And that's what does the GOPe in - they accept and use the cliches of the Enemy without realizing that the Left changed the language to benefit the Left. So if you use those terms, you've already lost the damn battle.
But - Stupid Party is stupid.
i think that's exactly right. in his effort to be a Polite Company Conservative and euphemize what he was talking about, he gaffed.
Kind of like Kelly Osbourne.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:35 PM (dciA+)
Yessirree. And that's what does the GOPe in - they accept and use the cliches of the Enemy without realizing that the Left changed the language to benefit the Left. So if you use those terms, you've already lost the damn battle.
But - Stupid Party is stupid.
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (u0lmX)
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I like when Rand talks about the NSA.
And on the face of it at least, I'm on board with his foreign policy -- how he spells it out.
Now I know a lot of people don't trust him and his foreign policy -- I get that.
As for Cruz? I don't know. I don't really get too excited over him.
I'm not sure why. He just seems cheesy and fake and lawyerly and used
cars salesman, with a big goofy plastic smile to me. So does Rubio.
Ignoring their positions, that's my first impression of them.
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I'm with you there.
Why is it that not one of the announced candidates actually excites ANYONE?
Every one is a "muh."
Why? Is it really that we don't trust any of them?
And putting an exclamation point behind your name is the very definition of a pathetic attempt at being exciting.
And on the face of it at least, I'm on board with his foreign policy -- how he spells it out.
Now I know a lot of people don't trust him and his foreign policy -- I get that.
As for Cruz? I don't know. I don't really get too excited over him.
I'm not sure why. He just seems cheesy and fake and lawyerly and used
cars salesman, with a big goofy plastic smile to me. So does Rubio.
Ignoring their positions, that's my first impression of them.
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I'm with you there.
Why is it that not one of the announced candidates actually excites ANYONE?
Every one is a "muh."
Why? Is it really that we don't trust any of them?
And putting an exclamation point behind your name is the very definition of a pathetic attempt at being exciting.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (ZvKdv)
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To all the people who stayed home in '12, go fuck yourself.
Or don't stay home, and have Mitch and John fuck you.
Or don't stay home, and have Mitch and John fuck you.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (oVJmc)
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From all your posts I've read I would guess you're under 30.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 06, 2015 02:40 PM (rfjjV)
...and...?
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 06, 2015 02:40 PM (rfjjV)
...and...?
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (AkOaV)
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"No one writes their own books. Except for, you know, writers."
No that's not true. Some have ghostwriters (Susie the celebrity and Paulie the politician) others have editors. There is a big difference.
I would guess Trump has editors not a ghostwriter.
No that's not true. Some have ghostwriters (Susie the celebrity and Paulie the politician) others have editors. There is a big difference.
I would guess Trump has editors not a ghostwriter.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (BmnL5)
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Register to vote while getting a Driver's License?
I have no problem with that. But then, I live in South Carolina and you need a Birth Certificate to get a Driver's License here.
I have no problem with that. But then, I live in South Carolina and you need a Birth Certificate to get a Driver's License here.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (1ijHg)
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Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at August 06, 2015 02:39 PM (5YOwm)
I don't think HE expects the nomination. I think he's been told that HE will GET the nomination and to do as he's told.
Which doesn't seem to be working.
He's a Daddy's boy. Doin' what his Daddy's telling him to do.
He's the third child. I doubt he's had a significant original thought or action in his life. Maybe the wife but maybe not.
I don't think HE expects the nomination. I think he's been told that HE will GET the nomination and to do as he's told.
Which doesn't seem to be working.
He's a Daddy's boy. Doin' what his Daddy's telling him to do.
He's the third child. I doubt he's had a significant original thought or action in his life. Maybe the wife but maybe not.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, team Lefty and Scamp at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (JtwS4)
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*falls over*
In 2017 Santa Fe will stage an opera about Steve Jobs' life.
How about HMS Pinafore or the Mikado instead?
In 2017 Santa Fe will stage an opera about Steve Jobs' life.
How about HMS Pinafore or the Mikado instead?
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (63D73)
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When you register to vote you can choose a party affiliation, including here in CA.
I originally registered as independent, but then got deluged with shit (phone calls and snail mail) from BOTH parties, so changed it to R.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
I guess I've never "registered to vote," at least since I've turned 18. But I definitely am allowed to vote, because when I go to the polling station, my name is on the list, somehow.
I guess I filled out some form when I turned 18, although I have absolutely no memory of doing so - -nor of what I wrote on it.
And due to the reason you mention -- junk mail and calls and solicitations -- I would never sign up for anything or any groups these days.
I originally registered as independent, but then got deluged with shit (phone calls and snail mail) from BOTH parties, so changed it to R.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
I guess I've never "registered to vote," at least since I've turned 18. But I definitely am allowed to vote, because when I go to the polling station, my name is on the list, somehow.
I guess I filled out some form when I turned 18, although I have absolutely no memory of doing so - -nor of what I wrote on it.
And due to the reason you mention -- junk mail and calls and solicitations -- I would never sign up for anything or any groups these days.
Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (jBuUi)
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I shall mumble my way to the White House!
Posted by: Ready For Jeb!!11!! at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (Dwehj)
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>>>Those are two good characters right there.
I was surprised at how much I liked the series.
I was fully prepared to hate it.
Started off a little slow, but now the wife and I are hooked. Damned fine post-apoc drama going on there.
I was surprised at how much I liked the series.
I was fully prepared to hate it.
Started off a little slow, but now the wife and I are hooked. Damned fine post-apoc drama going on there.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (75gXb)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (OGm46)
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Smelt is a marvelous fish.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (evdj2)
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mille grazie
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (dciA+)
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I've never filled out a "voter registration form" at the DMV.
Posted by: zombie
The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 also known as The Motor Voter Act. The law expanded voting rights by requiring state governments to offer voter registration opportunities to any eligible person who applies for or renews a driver's license or public assistance, requiring states to register applicants that use a federal voter registration form to apply, and prohibiting states from removing registered voters from the voter rolls unless certain criteria are met.
You get a voter registration form in damned near every piece of government handout paperwork now.
I've never filled out a "voter registration form" at the DMV.
Posted by: zombie
The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 also known as The Motor Voter Act. The law expanded voting rights by requiring state governments to offer voter registration opportunities to any eligible person who applies for or renews a driver's license or public assistance, requiring states to register applicants that use a federal voter registration form to apply, and prohibiting states from removing registered voters from the voter rolls unless certain criteria are met.
You get a voter registration form in damned near every piece of government handout paperwork now.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (kdS6q)
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Jeb still thinks its 1992 and he can run as if it is 1992. That is his problem.
Hey! I've move on to 1993.
Trying to decide on which Ace of Bass song to use for my campaign: "I Saw the Sign" or, in a nod to abortion as a hot topic, "All That she Wants"
Hey! I've move on to 1993.
Trying to decide on which Ace of Bass song to use for my campaign: "I Saw the Sign" or, in a nod to abortion as a hot topic, "All That she Wants"
Posted by: Jeb! at August 06, 2015 02:45 PM (mPCqj)
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I don't think the general population even knows there's a debate scheduled for tonight.
Posted by: joefl65
Go ask some of your apolitical friends.
My wife could g.a.s. and she and I don't talk politics but she is the first that mentioned Trump. Sort of in a "aww shucks I feel silly" way.
Posted by: joefl65
Go ask some of your apolitical friends.
My wife could g.a.s. and she and I don't talk politics but she is the first that mentioned Trump. Sort of in a "aww shucks I feel silly" way.
Posted by: traye at August 06, 2015 02:45 PM (U12k+)
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I'm going to predict it comes with record LOW turnout among Republicans for the primaries.
I'm expecting the entire election this time to have very low turnout.
No one writes their own books.
I think Cruz might have written his, but generally yeah someone else does for public figures.
I'm expecting the entire election this time to have very low turnout.
No one writes their own books.
I think Cruz might have written his, but generally yeah someone else does for public figures.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:45 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:37 PM (9VLhN)
Oh yay, the "We can't repeat the last 8 years" argument.
How original. How inspiring.
Take your own advice.
Oh yay, the "We can't repeat the last 8 years" argument.
How original. How inspiring.
Take your own advice.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 06, 2015 02:45 PM (xSCb6)
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I think this country is a fucking disaster.
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Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:42 PM (75gXb)
That's where we disagree.
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Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:42 PM (75gXb)
That's where we disagree.
Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:45 PM (9VLhN)
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(although Paolo speaks Spanish (Catalan) as a first language, he has learned Italian from his various jobs as a gigolo on the Italian riviera.)
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:45 PM (dciA+)
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Posted by: Sphynx at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (OZmbA)
Christie. Because he seems like the kind of guy who gets punched in the face a lot, so I think he probably has the most fighting experience.
Christie. Because he seems like the kind of guy who gets punched in the face a lot, so I think he probably has the most fighting experience.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 02:45 PM (AkOaV)
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Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 06, 2015 02:40 PM (dhHd4)
He was not critical of Cruz on his opposition to the Iran deal but rather believed Cruz's statement that Obama was now the leading financier of terrorism was over the line and hurt the cause for those who oppose the Iran deal. I don't agree but that's different than what you implied.
He was not critical of Cruz on his opposition to the Iran deal but rather believed Cruz's statement that Obama was now the leading financier of terrorism was over the line and hurt the cause for those who oppose the Iran deal. I don't agree but that's different than what you implied.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 06, 2015 02:46 PM (rfjjV)
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Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 06, 2015 02:35 PM (VPLuQ)
I've lived in VA for over 30 years and still have never cracked a crab.
I've lived in VA for over 30 years and still have never cracked a crab.
Posted by: wrg500 at August 06, 2015 02:46 PM (S+el1)
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The Bush family doesn't think like that. They have never had any dynasty ambitions but rather always had a sense of public service and politics was that conduit.
I can believe that, in fact I want to believe that the Bush family are good people, and they think they are doing what is best for the country.
Unfortunately the country needs a good, hard 'wake the fuck up' and if Sept 11 didn't do that, then nothing will.
Give the political left everything they want, and when it all turns to crap they will never admit they were wrong, that they were to blame, that they did anything to cause all of the unintended consequences of their policies. Look at Detroit.
Instead the childish true believers in a poisonous political ideology will blame everyone else for the catastrophe they caused.
I can believe that, in fact I want to believe that the Bush family are good people, and they think they are doing what is best for the country.
Unfortunately the country needs a good, hard 'wake the fuck up' and if Sept 11 didn't do that, then nothing will.
Give the political left everything they want, and when it all turns to crap they will never admit they were wrong, that they were to blame, that they did anything to cause all of the unintended consequences of their policies. Look at Detroit.
Instead the childish true believers in a poisonous political ideology will blame everyone else for the catastrophe they caused.
Posted by: Pyro Technical Support at August 06, 2015 02:46 PM (yjJan)
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AoS debate question for the GOP:
"Do you actually enjoy being a robotic, bloodless, dishonest, passive-aggressive eunuch? Or is it just one of the many crosses you must bear as part of the political class of courtiers that rule us?"
Which is why AoS will never be asked by the GOP to host a debate. Our country's loss.
"Do you actually enjoy being a robotic, bloodless, dishonest, passive-aggressive eunuch? Or is it just one of the many crosses you must bear as part of the political class of courtiers that rule us?"
Which is why AoS will never be asked by the GOP to host a debate. Our country's loss.
Posted by: LizLem at August 06, 2015 02:46 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Cecile "Attila" Richards at August 06, 2015 02:46 PM (Dwehj)
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"Dems are still pushing it. I believe a few states even have it (I could be wrong though)."
I believe it passed and greatly liberalized voter registration. It is why the ACORN-types can have voter registration tables at Occupy rallies.
"Dems are still pushing it. I believe a few states even have it (I could be wrong though)."
I believe it passed and greatly liberalized voter registration. It is why the ACORN-types can have voter registration tables at Occupy rallies.
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 06, 2015 02:46 PM (OD2ni)
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The rest of his support are guys who think Survivor is real and know virtually nothing about politics.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (39g3+)
Wait a minute, Survivor is not real? WTF
The rest of his support are guys who think Survivor is real and know virtually nothing about politics.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:23 PM (39g3+)
Wait a minute, Survivor is not real? WTF
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 06, 2015 02:47 PM (R8hU8)
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That's where we disagree.
Posted by: Community Organizer
So you are alone in your opinion and without any compelling evidence for your position. Excellent tactics, champ.
That's where we disagree.
Posted by: Community Organizer
So you are alone in your opinion and without any compelling evidence for your position. Excellent tactics, champ.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:47 PM (XIXZz)
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"... Jeb was always supposed to be 'The One' from
the Bush family. I recall articles on him prior to 2000 essentially
saying he was the heir apparent to papa Bush"
Because there were just so many things about the first Bush presidency for conservatives to recall fondly.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 06, 2015 02:42 PM (noWW6)You have to remember, prior to about 2000 for most people, there was no internet (not like post 2000 when political blogs exploded), so conservatives weren't really talking to each other. So, a lot of conservatives really believed the best we could get was someone like papa Bush. And, the GOP at that time had not as drastically pissed off its base, so there wasn't as much fear from an "establishment" politician.
So, pre 2000 (when those articles were written) most the base did not have tremendously hard feelings toward papa Bush - particularly considering how much the base hated Clinton.
the Bush family. I recall articles on him prior to 2000 essentially
saying he was the heir apparent to papa Bush"
Because there were just so many things about the first Bush presidency for conservatives to recall fondly.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 06, 2015 02:42 PM (noWW6)You have to remember, prior to about 2000 for most people, there was no internet (not like post 2000 when political blogs exploded), so conservatives weren't really talking to each other. So, a lot of conservatives really believed the best we could get was someone like papa Bush. And, the GOP at that time had not as drastically pissed off its base, so there wasn't as much fear from an "establishment" politician.
So, pre 2000 (when those articles were written) most the base did not have tremendously hard feelings toward papa Bush - particularly considering how much the base hated Clinton.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 06, 2015 02:47 PM (3ZtZW)
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@334 I have no problem with that. But then, I live in South Carolina and you need a Birth Certificate to get a Driver's License here.
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Not anymore...
Remember - illegals can get drivers licenses now.
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Not anymore...
Remember - illegals can get drivers licenses now.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:47 PM (3m3mw)
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Smelt is a marvelous fish.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (evdj2)
Get a Greek to crispy fry them, then some vinegar and ozu.
Good times.
Smelt is a marvelous fish.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (evdj2)
Get a Greek to crispy fry them, then some vinegar and ozu.
Good times.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 06, 2015 02:48 PM (0FSuD)
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What abortionists do is they call abortion "womens' health" and then argue that we're just spending money on "womens' health".
So why the hell are we spending any extra money on the half of the population with a longer life expectancy?
So why the hell are we spending any extra money on the half of the population with a longer life expectancy?
Posted by: AmishDude at August 06, 2015 02:48 PM (b65cm)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 02:48 PM (OSs/l)
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@361 @334 I have no problem with that. But then, I live in South Carolina and you need a Birth Certificate to get a Driver's License here.
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Not anymore...
Remember - illegals can get drivers licenses now.
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Whoops! Misread that as Southern California.
>.
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Not anymore...
Remember - illegals can get drivers licenses now.
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Whoops! Misread that as Southern California.
>.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:48 PM (3m3mw)
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Benefits of the Trump candidacy:
1. Bloom County is back!
ii. Establishment heads all splodey.
C. Weaselskin hairpieces back in vogue.
Benefits of the Trump candidacy:
1. Bloom County is back!
ii. Establishment heads all splodey.
C. Weaselskin hairpieces back in vogue.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, team Lefty and Scamp at August 06, 2015 02:48 PM (JtwS4)
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"The rest of his support are guys who think Survivor is real and know virtually nothing about politics."
Yeah, like the Kabuki Theater of the Uniparty is real.
Yeah, like the Kabuki Theater of the Uniparty is real.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 06, 2015 02:49 PM (BmnL5)
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>>> Because there were just so many things about the first Bush presidency for conservatives to recall fondly. Posted by: torquewrench at August 06, 2015 02:42 PM (noWW6)
Dana Carvey's impression of Bush was highly enjoyable. Other that I got nuthin'.
Dana Carvey's impression of Bush was highly enjoyable. Other that I got nuthin'.
Posted by: LizLem at August 06, 2015 02:49 PM (hvf9s)
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348 Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:37 PM (9VLhN)
Oh yay, the "We can't repeat the last 8 years" argument.
How original. How inspiring.
Take your own advice.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 06, 2015 02:45 PM (xSCb6)
Then don't vote - or vote for Hillary. Stick it to the man.
You'll show them.
Oh yay, the "We can't repeat the last 8 years" argument.
How original. How inspiring.
Take your own advice.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 06, 2015 02:45 PM (xSCb6)
Then don't vote - or vote for Hillary. Stick it to the man.
You'll show them.
Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:49 PM (9VLhN)
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The Bush family doesn't think like that. They have never had any dynasty ambitions"
Did Prescott tell you that in person?
Did Prescott tell you that in person?
Posted by: anon a mouse at August 06, 2015 02:49 PM (C9pBZ)
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Wait a minute, Survivor is not real? WTF
Yeah what? Survivor isn't my watching fare but I never figured it was rigged.
Yeah what? Survivor isn't my watching fare but I never figured it was rigged.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:49 PM (evdj2)
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Big Brother sure, I could believe that.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:50 PM (evdj2)
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While I respect your desire to tough it out...nah. I'm out.
I think this country is a fucking disaster. It's not the candidates or even the parties really. It's the people. It's the voters. They are dumb, easily mislead and eager to divy up the spoils of the crumbling American empire. I think it's finally been broken.
Exactly. Like Paolo/Ace said: the problem is with the American people. We cannot trust the nation to judge right any longer; there's no silent majority doing the right thing any longer. We get the government we have because of the American people.
That's not going to change, even if by some act of God we get a 100% true conservative congress and presidency. We could clone Reagan 500 times and put him in every top federal office and it would not turn this ship around.
We have to fix the nation from the ground up, not the top down.
While I respect your desire to tough it out...nah. I'm out.
I think this country is a fucking disaster. It's not the candidates or even the parties really. It's the people. It's the voters. They are dumb, easily mislead and eager to divy up the spoils of the crumbling American empire. I think it's finally been broken.
Exactly. Like Paolo/Ace said: the problem is with the American people. We cannot trust the nation to judge right any longer; there's no silent majority doing the right thing any longer. We get the government we have because of the American people.
That's not going to change, even if by some act of God we get a 100% true conservative congress and presidency. We could clone Reagan 500 times and put him in every top federal office and it would not turn this ship around.
We have to fix the nation from the ground up, not the top down.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:50 PM (39g3+)
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Speaking of movies, (Well, we weren't but we were speaking of operas) I saw a movie last night that I had never seen before, but I think it got several awards, "Breaking Away" with Dennis Christopher (Is that his name?) Very good and a funny film.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 02:50 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 02:50 PM (evdj2)
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Now Walker, he's an unknown. I suspect he might have a little more street fight experience than the usual Ivy league Easterner, so I'm keeping him in mind as one of the last standing.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (OZmbA)
As a Wisconsinite, I can attest Walker's calm, bland demeanor has served him well over the past 5 years - because it was in sharp contrast to the screaming moonbats of Madison. I don't know how that will go over on a national stage. I think voters who are angry with the GOPe are looking for someone with fire in his belly and Walker (although he is obviously just as ambitious as any other career pol) just doesn't have it.
Posted by: Sphynx at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (OZmbA)
As a Wisconsinite, I can attest Walker's calm, bland demeanor has served him well over the past 5 years - because it was in sharp contrast to the screaming moonbats of Madison. I don't know how that will go over on a national stage. I think voters who are angry with the GOPe are looking for someone with fire in his belly and Walker (although he is obviously just as ambitious as any other career pol) just doesn't have it.
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at August 06, 2015 02:50 PM (u0lmX)
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Jeb as he is now still would have pancaked in 2000.
He comes across as too condescending. Bush 43 might not have agreed
with the party base at times. But he never - so far as I can recall -
openly antagonized them the way that Jeb does.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (3m3mw)
You have to remember that in 2000, the disconnect between the base and the GOP wasn't even remotely as big as it is now. So, I don't think that would have been as much of an issue. Remember, even W said he was for "comprehensive immigration reform" back then.
He comes across as too condescending. Bush 43 might not have agreed
with the party base at times. But he never - so far as I can recall -
openly antagonized them the way that Jeb does.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (3m3mw)
You have to remember that in 2000, the disconnect between the base and the GOP wasn't even remotely as big as it is now. So, I don't think that would have been as much of an issue. Remember, even W said he was for "comprehensive immigration reform" back then.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 06, 2015 02:51 PM (3ZtZW)
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"Bloom County is back!"
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Yeah, but so far all the guy wants to do is attack Trump! Now, Trump is a clown, sure, but who needs another wheezy leftwing cartoonist ignoring the atrocities and clown shows on the left?
I don't need "Bloom County" back that bad.
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Yeah, but so far all the guy wants to do is attack Trump! Now, Trump is a clown, sure, but who needs another wheezy leftwing cartoonist ignoring the atrocities and clown shows on the left?
I don't need "Bloom County" back that bad.
Posted by: Kensington at August 06, 2015 02:51 PM (7Kbxu)
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>>Yeah, like the Kabuki Theater of the Uniparty is real.
Do you really think that the death threats Walker got in WI for taking on public unions was an example of uniparty politics?
Oh and google Tony Schwartz and go to his wiki page. That way you can learn all about the guy who wrote Trump's most famous book.
Do you really think that the death threats Walker got in WI for taking on public unions was an example of uniparty politics?
Oh and google Tony Schwartz and go to his wiki page. That way you can learn all about the guy who wrote Trump's most famous book.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2015 02:51 PM (OGm46)
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Lots of inflammatory stuff gets put into divorce papers that may be a
exaggeration or even lies. So, could Trump have raped his wife-yes,
which would be a terrible thing. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he
has anger issues. However, i believe that she came out and backpedalled
on the rape thing and then endorsed him. If your husband had raped you, I
don't think you'd be endorsing him for President.
QFT
exaggeration or even lies. So, could Trump have raped his wife-yes,
which would be a terrible thing. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he
has anger issues. However, i believe that she came out and backpedalled
on the rape thing and then endorsed him. If your husband had raped you, I
don't think you'd be endorsing him for President.
QFT
Posted by: some random meathead at August 06, 2015 02:51 PM (Yrjee)
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I've lived in VA for over 30 years and still have never cracked a crab.
Posted by: wrg500 at
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I've bee here more than 45 years, and you ain't missing all that much.
Too much work for the little bit of meat you get.
Just find a GREAT restaurant to get a restaurant to fill that need. Surf Rider here in Va Beach.
Or if your anywhere close to the eastern shore, find a Maryland gramma to make their version in an old farmhouse kitchen. Yum.
I've lived in VA for over 30 years and still have never cracked a crab.
Posted by: wrg500 at
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I've bee here more than 45 years, and you ain't missing all that much.
Too much work for the little bit of meat you get.
Just find a GREAT restaurant to get a restaurant to fill that need. Surf Rider here in Va Beach.
Or if your anywhere close to the eastern shore, find a Maryland gramma to make their version in an old farmhouse kitchen. Yum.
Posted by: Chi at August 06, 2015 02:51 PM (yB0WD)
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and prohibiting states from removing registered voters from the voter rolls unless certain criteria are met.
And in Iowa at least, a judge has declared "We know them to be a foreign national and thus ineligible to vote" is not a sufficient criteria to remove someone from the rolls once they're placed there by a registration drive.
And in Iowa at least, a judge has declared "We know them to be a foreign national and thus ineligible to vote" is not a sufficient criteria to remove someone from the rolls once they're placed there by a registration drive.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 02:51 PM (/kI1Q)
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 02:50 PM (OSs/l)
"You're not a cutter....I'm a cutter."
"You're not a cutter....I'm a cutter."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 06, 2015 02:51 PM (k2fxD)
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So you are alone in your opinion and without any compelling evidence for your position. Excellent tactics, champ.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:47 PM (XIXZz)
Pretty goddamned ignorant of you to think that's a lonely position. Quick, let me type five paragraphs explaining why I think this country is great.
Would that help?
Champ?
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 02:47 PM (XIXZz)
Pretty goddamned ignorant of you to think that's a lonely position. Quick, let me type five paragraphs explaining why I think this country is great.
Would that help?
Champ?
Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:51 PM (9VLhN)
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When you register to vote you can choose a party affiliation, including here in CA.
I originally registered as independent, but then got deluged with
shit (phone calls and snail mail) from BOTH parties, so changed it to R.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
I guess I've never "registered to vote," at least since I've turned
18. But I definitely am allowed to vote, because when I go to the
polling station, my name is on the list, somehow.
I guess I filled out some form when I turned 18, although I have absolutely no memory of doing so - -nor of what I wrote on it.
And due to the reason you mention -- junk mail and calls and
solicitations -- I would never sign up for anything or any groups these
days.
Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (jBuUi)
People seem to take this Party registration stuff seriously, and I just do not get that. At all. What business is it of the state, which Party I might or might not belong to?
In Missouri, nobody ever asks you for Party affiliation, during Primaries or otherwise. You're asked which ballot you prefer.
But I know some have convinced themselves that's why they keep getting crappy Republican candidate: because all those crafty Dem voters are crossing Party lines during Primaries.
Which of course in too silly to even argue against. You get crappy candidates because candidates are crappy, and people are stupid.
I originally registered as independent, but then got deluged with
shit (phone calls and snail mail) from BOTH parties, so changed it to R.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
I guess I've never "registered to vote," at least since I've turned
18. But I definitely am allowed to vote, because when I go to the
polling station, my name is on the list, somehow.
I guess I filled out some form when I turned 18, although I have absolutely no memory of doing so - -nor of what I wrote on it.
And due to the reason you mention -- junk mail and calls and
solicitations -- I would never sign up for anything or any groups these
days.
Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2015 02:44 PM (jBuUi)
People seem to take this Party registration stuff seriously, and I just do not get that. At all. What business is it of the state, which Party I might or might not belong to?
In Missouri, nobody ever asks you for Party affiliation, during Primaries or otherwise. You're asked which ballot you prefer.
But I know some have convinced themselves that's why they keep getting crappy Republican candidate: because all those crafty Dem voters are crossing Party lines during Primaries.
Which of course in too silly to even argue against. You get crappy candidates because candidates are crappy, and people are stupid.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 06, 2015 02:52 PM (TOk1P)
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***"Posted by: Community Organizer at August 06, 2015 02:49 PM (9VLhN)"***
I certainly will.
Did you have any more vapid commentary?
I certainly will.
Did you have any more vapid commentary?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 06, 2015 02:52 PM (xSCb6)
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"Dana Carvey's impression of Bush was highly enjoyable. Other that I got nuthin'."
I would say Clarence Thomas, but he was cancelled out by David Souter. Blame Sununu for that one.
"Dana Carvey's impression of Bush was highly enjoyable. Other that I got nuthin'."
I would say Clarence Thomas, but he was cancelled out by David Souter. Blame Sununu for that one.
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 06, 2015 02:52 PM (OD2ni)
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Same here, zombie.
I registered at 18 in '85. I chose neither D nor R, but that didn't automatically make me an I, I don't think.
I get mailers from both sides, but mostly D's. Never had I phone call from a pol that I can recall.
Posted by: Chi
Thank you for rescuing me from the Twilight Zone!
I think part of the mystery revolves around my lifelong attempts to remain as anonymous and hard-to-find as possible. For example, I've never "changed addresses" on a voter form so I still need to go vote at the voting station for the place I was living when I was 18 (I no longer live there). So I've never "re-registered." Among other spy-like behaviors.
I registered at 18 in '85. I chose neither D nor R, but that didn't automatically make me an I, I don't think.
I get mailers from both sides, but mostly D's. Never had I phone call from a pol that I can recall.
Posted by: Chi
Thank you for rescuing me from the Twilight Zone!
I think part of the mystery revolves around my lifelong attempts to remain as anonymous and hard-to-find as possible. For example, I've never "changed addresses" on a voter form so I still need to go vote at the voting station for the place I was living when I was 18 (I no longer live there). So I've never "re-registered." Among other spy-like behaviors.
Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2015 02:52 PM (jBuUi)
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And putting an exclamation point behind your name is the very definition of a pathetic attempt at being exciting.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (ZvKdv)
It's the equivalent of that Hillary chilling in Des Moines or wherever it was video.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (ZvKdv)
It's the equivalent of that Hillary chilling in Des Moines or wherever it was video.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 06, 2015 02:52 PM (oFCZn)
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You have to remember, prior to about 2000 for most people, there was no internet (not like post 2000 when political blogs exploded), so conservatives weren't really talking to each other. So, a lot of conservatives really believed the best we could get was someone like papa Bush. And, the GOP at that time had not as drastically pissed off its base, so there wasn't as much fear from an "establishment" politician.
So, pre 2000 (when those articles were written) most the base did not have tremendously hard feelings toward papa Bush - particularly considering how much the base hated Clinton.
Yeah, the hatred the base had for the breaking of the No New Taxes pledge had faded away in the wake of the Clinton administration, its sliminess and Clinton's own massive tax hike.
I think this also shows how remarkable and difficult Reagan's winning the nomination was. The party apparatus was set up around kingmakers and various interest groups.
It still is but with the Internet, politically-active people have their own voice and can be heard outside of approved interest groups.
That's basically how Obama got the Dem nomination in 2008. The Democratic party (which is even more hierarchical) was poised to hand the nomination to Hillary and Obama motivated the grassroots. Lest we forget that even black politicians were behind Hillary and some even up to the point where Obama was sure to win.
So, pre 2000 (when those articles were written) most the base did not have tremendously hard feelings toward papa Bush - particularly considering how much the base hated Clinton.
Yeah, the hatred the base had for the breaking of the No New Taxes pledge had faded away in the wake of the Clinton administration, its sliminess and Clinton's own massive tax hike.
I think this also shows how remarkable and difficult Reagan's winning the nomination was. The party apparatus was set up around kingmakers and various interest groups.
It still is but with the Internet, politically-active people have their own voice and can be heard outside of approved interest groups.
That's basically how Obama got the Dem nomination in 2008. The Democratic party (which is even more hierarchical) was poised to hand the nomination to Hillary and Obama motivated the grassroots. Lest we forget that even black politicians were behind Hillary and some even up to the point where Obama was sure to win.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 06, 2015 02:53 PM (b65cm)
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Wait a minute, Survivor is not real?
That's not real life, its people competing on a reality show. They make decisions, act, and talk in a manner that will help them win, not how they'd normally behave. Its not reality, its a really intense game show.
That's not real life, its people competing on a reality show. They make decisions, act, and talk in a manner that will help them win, not how they'd normally behave. Its not reality, its a really intense game show.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:53 PM (39g3+)
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@322
Because there were just so many things about the first Bush presidency for conservatives to recall fondly.
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The Berlin Wall came down in the first year of his presidency.
Now, mind you, I'm not saying that Bush was responsible. But it happened during his presidency, and I know at least *I* remember it fondly.
Because there were just so many things about the first Bush presidency for conservatives to recall fondly.
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The Berlin Wall came down in the first year of his presidency.
Now, mind you, I'm not saying that Bush was responsible. But it happened during his presidency, and I know at least *I* remember it fondly.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:53 PM (3m3mw)
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I'm past the old "I trust the wisdom of the American people" bullshit.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (dciA+)
I trusted they wouldn't re-elect the walking disaster we call President. And yet here we are. These turkeys deserve the stuffing!
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (dciA+)
I trusted they wouldn't re-elect the walking disaster we call President. And yet here we are. These turkeys deserve the stuffing!
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at August 06, 2015 02:53 PM (Z3HgI)
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It's not scripted, per se, but the way the show is edited, implies storylines that didn't actually exist. Lots of the time, clips are shown out of order, or two shots are done back to back to imply that one caused another when the actual events occurred days apart.
It's not scripted, per se, but the way the show is edited, implies storylines that didn't actually exist. Lots of the time, clips are shown out of order, or two shots are done back to back to imply that one caused another when the actual events occurred days apart.
Posted by: joe at August 06, 2015 02:54 PM (KUaJL)
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You get crappy candidates because candidates are crappy, and people are stupid.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 06, 2015 02:52 PM (TOk1P)
Alas...you are 100% correct.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 06, 2015 02:52 PM (TOk1P)
Alas...you are 100% correct.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 06, 2015 02:54 PM (k2fxD)
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Dennis Christopher had a little cameo as an American Olympic athlete in "Chariots Of Fire" which is one my very favorite films. The runner Harold Abrahams liked Gilbert and Sullivan too.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 02:54 PM (OSs/l)
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The Democrats are our opponents, the Republican Leadership is our enemy.
12. Send the politicians back home to live under the laws they passed. Be your own Term Limits. Vote for the challenger in every race, both primary and general.
12. Send the politicians back home to live under the laws they passed. Be your own Term Limits. Vote for the challenger in every race, both primary and general.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes that 4 legs good, 2 legs bad at August 06, 2015 02:54 PM (evdj2)
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To all the people who stayed home in '12, go fuck yourself.
Listen Carefully to the mating cry of the Nocturnal Weeping Mittbot.
'Evangelicalsstayedhome, Evangelicalsstayedhome'.
These sounds are reminiscent of the urban myth perpetrated in the 2012 by sad, sad Mittens who were unable to face the reality that their superstar got his ass kicked by an incomptent , commie junior senator.
To all the people who stayed home in '12, go fuck yourself.
Listen Carefully to the mating cry of the Nocturnal Weeping Mittbot.
'Evangelicalsstayedhome, Evangelicalsstayedhome'.
These sounds are reminiscent of the urban myth perpetrated in the 2012 by sad, sad Mittens who were unable to face the reality that their superstar got his ass kicked by an incomptent , commie junior senator.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 06, 2015 02:55 PM (Yrjee)
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People seem to take this Party registration stuff seriously, and I just do not get that. At all. What business is it of the state, which Party I might or might not belong to?
In Missouri, nobody ever asks you for Party affiliation, during Primaries or otherwise. You're asked which ballot you prefer.
I know. And that's stupid.
The nominee of a party should not be up to the general electorate of low-information as well as openly-hostile voters.
You ought to be a part of the organization in advance. Do Kiwanis members get to vote for the president of the Knights of Columbus?
In Missouri, nobody ever asks you for Party affiliation, during Primaries or otherwise. You're asked which ballot you prefer.
I know. And that's stupid.
The nominee of a party should not be up to the general electorate of low-information as well as openly-hostile voters.
You ought to be a part of the organization in advance. Do Kiwanis members get to vote for the president of the Knights of Columbus?
Posted by: AmishDude at August 06, 2015 02:55 PM (b65cm)
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Jeb didn't step on his dick, he stuck it between two neodymium magnets.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 06, 2015 02:55 PM (ktt8p)
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Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:53 PM (3m3mw)
Ronald Wilson Reagan was responsible for that.
Ronald Wilson Reagan was responsible for that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 06, 2015 02:55 PM (k2fxD)
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328 If we're going full reality show clown this time out, I say we encourage Trump to name Caitlin Jenner his running mate.
That might actually attract some lefty votes.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (9YRwm)
Bruce (I refuse to call him Caitlyn because he still has a dick) is fairly conservative. If he's on a ticket and campaigns as one, the left will turn their backs on him. They'd probably start a petition to force him to give up his ESPY. They'd then adopt a new transgender hero who says and does all of the approved things.
That might actually attract some lefty votes.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 06, 2015 02:43 PM (9YRwm)
Bruce (I refuse to call him Caitlyn because he still has a dick) is fairly conservative. If he's on a ticket and campaigns as one, the left will turn their backs on him. They'd probably start a petition to force him to give up his ESPY. They'd then adopt a new transgender hero who says and does all of the approved things.
Posted by: joefl65 at August 06, 2015 02:56 PM (UFV5W)
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Fenelon-
You had never watched Breaking Away?
Wow.
*disclaimer - I had to look it up to confirm, but I would've said the star was Robbie Benson. It's been THAT long since I saw it.
You had never watched Breaking Away?
Wow.
*disclaimer - I had to look it up to confirm, but I would've said the star was Robbie Benson. It's been THAT long since I saw it.
Posted by: Chi at August 06, 2015 02:56 PM (yB0WD)
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"Do you really think that the death threats Walker got in WI for taking on public unions was an example of uniparty politics?"
I think he did what his donors wanted him to do.Which means he'll do what his amnesty, illegal alien donors like Koch Bro. want him to do if he's elected.
It's like Ground Hog's Day here everyday.
I think he did what his donors wanted him to do.Which means he'll do what his amnesty, illegal alien donors like Koch Bro. want him to do if he's elected.
It's like Ground Hog's Day here everyday.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 06, 2015 02:56 PM (BmnL5)
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Ima gonna propose a new AoSHQ truism:
All Republican Party suckups are Hollowpoint, and Hollowpoint sucks Party c*ck by choice.
All Republican Party suckups are Hollowpoint, and Hollowpoint sucks Party c*ck by choice.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 06, 2015 02:56 PM (TOk1P)
406
DOD just said the pentagon is under cyber attack from Russia
Posted by: ThunderB at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (zOTsN)
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For example, I've never "changed addresses" on a voter form so I still
need to go vote at the voting station for the place I was living when I
was 18 (I no longer live there).
In some states voting in a precinct in which you do not live was considered fraud. (Yes, I know no one bothers to prosecute fraud in Democrat-controlled areas because fraud is a Democrat strategy.)
need to go vote at the voting station for the place I was living when I
was 18 (I no longer live there).
In some states voting in a precinct in which you do not live was considered fraud. (Yes, I know no one bothers to prosecute fraud in Democrat-controlled areas because fraud is a Democrat strategy.)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (/kI1Q)
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The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 also known as The Motor Voter Act. The law expanded voting rights by requiring state governments to offer voter registration opportunities to any eligible person who applies for or renews a driver's license or public assistance, requiring states to register applicants that use a federal voter registration form to apply, and prohibiting states from removing registered voters from the voter rolls unless certain criteria are met.
You get a voter registration form in damned near every piece of government handout paperwork now.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
I don't ever receive, see or interact with any "government paperwork," so I've luckily managed to never see a voter registration form!
You get a voter registration form in damned near every piece of government handout paperwork now.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
I don't ever receive, see or interact with any "government paperwork," so I've luckily managed to never see a voter registration form!
Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (jBuUi)
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2000 was almost entirely a referendum on Bill Clinton. Jeb, W, didn't matter - people voting for W were voting against Clinton much more so than voting for him. Would have been the same with pretty much any other candidate.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (kQfqk)
Posted by: Jeb! - the smart one at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (Yrjee)
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"Speaking of movies, (Well, we weren't but we were speaking of operas) I saw a movie last night that I had never seen before, but I think it got several awards, "Breaking Away" with Dennis Christopher (Is that his name?) Very good and a funny film."
Great movie with Dennis Quaid and the guy who played Kelly Leak from the Bad News Bears. A couple of years ago one of my law partners asked us about giving a refund to a client, I immediately started saying "REFUND! REFUND!" like the dad in Breaking Away. Most got the reference.
"Speaking of movies, (Well, we weren't but we were speaking of operas) I saw a movie last night that I had never seen before, but I think it got several awards, "Breaking Away" with Dennis Christopher (Is that his name?) Very good and a funny film."
Great movie with Dennis Quaid and the guy who played Kelly Leak from the Bad News Bears. A couple of years ago one of my law partners asked us about giving a refund to a client, I immediately started saying "REFUND! REFUND!" like the dad in Breaking Away. Most got the reference.
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (OD2ni)
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Imagine how bad the gaffe is to the 70% who aren't even aware of the Planned Parenthood slasher films. "He's against 'women's health'?!"
Posted by: t-bird at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (3U4+k)
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 02:40 PM (OSs/l)
Thanks, FS. You're good people, no matter what they say about you.
Thanks, FS. You're good people, no matter what they say about you.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 06, 2015 02:58 PM (2Ojst)
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Keep doing the same things. Voting for the same politicians and then whine when they pay off their donors at your expense.
You can't fix stupid.
You can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 06, 2015 02:58 PM (BmnL5)
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That's not real life, its people competing on a reality show. They make decisions, act, and talk in a manner that will help them win, not how they'd normally behave.
No fooling. You cost me food, or the group's survival chances in a true survival situation, and you are gone. Then.
No fooling. You cost me food, or the group's survival chances in a true survival situation, and you are gone. Then.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 06, 2015 02:58 PM (5weRM)
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*disclaimer - I had to look it up to confirm, but I would've said the star was Robbie Benson. It's been THAT long since I saw it.
It's got Rorschach in it too. And Quaid.
It's got Rorschach in it too. And Quaid.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes that 4 legs good, 2 legs bad at August 06, 2015 02:58 PM (evdj2)
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Correction: Wow, this one was bad. I mis-read the article
AllahPundit cited and came away with the bizarrely stupid idea that we
spend one trillion per year on women's health.
That figure is for all health care.
Ha. I can fit all on that in my vag.
Correction: Wow, this one was bad. I mis-read the article
AllahPundit cited and came away with the bizarrely stupid idea that we
spend one trillion per year on women's health.
That figure is for all health care.
Ha. I can fit all on that in my vag.
Posted by: Lena Done Ham at August 06, 2015 02:58 PM (2oWD2)
418
This is what happens when your Cinc is a pussy
Posted by: ThunderB at August 06, 2015 02:58 PM (zOTsN)
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393
I'm past the old "I trust the wisdom of the American people" bullshit.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (dciA+)
I trusted they wouldn't re-elect the walking disaster we call
President. And yet here we are. These turkeys deserve the stuffing!
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at August 06, 2015 02:53 PM (Z3HgI)
the reality is that universal suffrage is doomed to failure. You can't allow the uneducated, the people who live off gov't entitlements, and the people who pay no taxes (outside of sales tax) vote - because for the most part they are always going to vote for bigger gov't, more gov't spending, etc. The ignorant and the mooches will always believe that gov't can "fix" all their problems and give them a good life for "free" - which will always bankrupt a nation eventually. All of western democracy is currently going down this road.
So, the old idea that there is wisdom in the voters is nonsense. If the vote was limited to people who paid income taxes, did not receive certain entitlements for any 6 months within the last 2 years, and could pass a basic test testing for basic knowledge of civics, math, economics, and history - then you could likely get a kind of "wisdom" from the voter's decision.
The way things stand now, no way.
I'm past the old "I trust the wisdom of the American people" bullshit.
Posted by: Paolo the Wifebanger at August 06, 2015 02:33 PM (dciA+)
I trusted they wouldn't re-elect the walking disaster we call
President. And yet here we are. These turkeys deserve the stuffing!
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at August 06, 2015 02:53 PM (Z3HgI)
the reality is that universal suffrage is doomed to failure. You can't allow the uneducated, the people who live off gov't entitlements, and the people who pay no taxes (outside of sales tax) vote - because for the most part they are always going to vote for bigger gov't, more gov't spending, etc. The ignorant and the mooches will always believe that gov't can "fix" all their problems and give them a good life for "free" - which will always bankrupt a nation eventually. All of western democracy is currently going down this road.
So, the old idea that there is wisdom in the voters is nonsense. If the vote was limited to people who paid income taxes, did not receive certain entitlements for any 6 months within the last 2 years, and could pass a basic test testing for basic knowledge of civics, math, economics, and history - then you could likely get a kind of "wisdom" from the voter's decision.
The way things stand now, no way.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 06, 2015 02:58 PM (3ZtZW)
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@390 I think this also shows how remarkable and difficult Reagan's winning the nomination was. The party apparatus was set up around kingmakers and various interest groups.
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Reagan had something else going for him that would have been difficult to beat with no internet - he had spoken directly to the people about a large number of issues that were important to conservatives. So he was a familiar face who was recognized by many as someone who knew what he was talking about when it came to politics.
Plus, he'd been the governor of California, back before it went full moonbat (and it was still only partial moonbat when he ran for president). So he had the state with the largest number of electoral votes firmly in his pocket.
Pete Wilson tried to use the latter to get to the White House, but it backfired on him for various reasons. One of those reasons was when he told voters that if reelected to the governorship, he wouldn't run for President again... and then promptly tried to run for president again two years later.
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Reagan had something else going for him that would have been difficult to beat with no internet - he had spoken directly to the people about a large number of issues that were important to conservatives. So he was a familiar face who was recognized by many as someone who knew what he was talking about when it came to politics.
Plus, he'd been the governor of California, back before it went full moonbat (and it was still only partial moonbat when he ran for president). So he had the state with the largest number of electoral votes firmly in his pocket.
Pete Wilson tried to use the latter to get to the White House, but it backfired on him for various reasons. One of those reasons was when he told voters that if reelected to the governorship, he wouldn't run for President again... and then promptly tried to run for president again two years later.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 02:59 PM (3m3mw)
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"You're not a cutter....I'm a cutter."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 06, 2015 02:51 PM (k2fxD)
Oh man, GREAT movie. "Of course, your mileage may vary."
"You're not a cutter....I'm a cutter."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 06, 2015 02:51 PM (k2fxD)
Oh man, GREAT movie. "Of course, your mileage may vary."
Posted by: Insomniac at August 06, 2015 02:59 PM (2Ojst)
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I saw Breaking Away in theaters when I was a kid.
My parents insisted on taking us not just because the movie was great (it is), but because it's set in Indiana and that's where they were born and raised.
My parents insisted on taking us not just because the movie was great (it is), but because it's set in Indiana and that's where they were born and raised.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 06, 2015 02:59 PM (oFCZn)
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>>>406 DOD just said the pentagon is under cyber attack from Russia
Don't worry. All that porno site malware will slow them down.
Don't worry. All that porno site malware will slow them down.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 02:59 PM (75gXb)
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 06, 2015 02:59 PM (JO9+V)
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Chi
There's any number of films I haven't seen. I think of finding them as a delightful surprise in my old age. ;^0 One benefit was the sometimes terribly crabby teen watched it with FenelonSpouse and me and liked it. Today I'm taking a road trip to see "The Third Man" with Orson Welles which I had never heard of but apparently it's a well throught of film noir set after WWII in Vienna.
There's any number of films I haven't seen. I think of finding them as a delightful surprise in my old age. ;^0 One benefit was the sometimes terribly crabby teen watched it with FenelonSpouse and me and liked it. Today I'm taking a road trip to see "The Third Man" with Orson Welles which I had never heard of but apparently it's a well throught of film noir set after WWII in Vienna.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (OSs/l)
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"I would say Clarence Thomas, but he was cancelled out by David Souter. Blame Sununu for that one."
Let's iterate the failure analysis one more level.
Who do we blame for Sununu?
The guy who hand-picked him. Poppy Bush.
Let's iterate the failure analysis one more level.
Who do we blame for Sununu?
The guy who hand-picked him. Poppy Bush.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (noWW6)
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In Missouri, nobody ever asks you for Party affiliation, during Primaries or otherwise. You're asked which ballot you prefer.
I know. And that's stupid.
The nominee of a party should not be up to the general electorate of low-information as well as openly-hostile voters.
You ought to be a part of the organization in advance. Do Kiwanis
members get to vote for the president of the Knights of Columbus?
Posted by: AmishDude at August 06, 2015 02:55 PM (b65cm)
Nonsense. Do you honestly think it's better having the State controlling how and for whom voters vote?
Furthermore, do you really believe limiting the LiVs who vote in your Primaries to ONLY the people who are already Party members would somehow result in better candidates?
If I wanted to dispute that, I would merely have to get a list of States that allow only Party affiliated voters to vote in their Primaries, and then compare that list to the yahoos they send to Washington year after year after year.
People who want closed Primaries are barking up the wrong tree.
I know. And that's stupid.
The nominee of a party should not be up to the general electorate of low-information as well as openly-hostile voters.
You ought to be a part of the organization in advance. Do Kiwanis
members get to vote for the president of the Knights of Columbus?
Posted by: AmishDude at August 06, 2015 02:55 PM (b65cm)
Nonsense. Do you honestly think it's better having the State controlling how and for whom voters vote?
Furthermore, do you really believe limiting the LiVs who vote in your Primaries to ONLY the people who are already Party members would somehow result in better candidates?
If I wanted to dispute that, I would merely have to get a list of States that allow only Party affiliated voters to vote in their Primaries, and then compare that list to the yahoos they send to Washington year after year after year.
People who want closed Primaries are barking up the wrong tree.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (TOk1P)
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2000 was almost entirely a referendum on Bill
Clinton. Jeb, W, didn't matter - people voting for W were voting against
Clinton much more so than voting for him. Would have been the same with
pretty much any other candidate.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (kQfqk)
True story. 2000, I voted Nader. 9/11 crystallized my priorities.
Clinton. Jeb, W, didn't matter - people voting for W were voting against
Clinton much more so than voting for him. Would have been the same with
pretty much any other candidate.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (kQfqk)
True story. 2000, I voted Nader. 9/11 crystallized my priorities.
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (Vf5rR)
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418 Not just a pussy,though he certainly is that.He hates this coutry,he hated it being the worlds gretest power.It had to be fundamentally transformed.Mission accomplished.
Posted by: steevy at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (sPO3u)
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He was not critical of Cruz on his opposition to the Iran deal but rather believed Cruz's statement that Obama was now the leading financier of terrorism was over the line and hurt the cause for those who oppose the Iran deal. I don't agree but that's different than what you implied.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 06, 2015 02:46 PM (rfjjV)
I'd say who he chooses to attack reveals a lot about him.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 06, 2015 02:46 PM (rfjjV)
I'd say who he chooses to attack reveals a lot about him.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (dhHd4)
431
It's got Rorschach in it too. And Quaid.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes that 4 legs good, 2 legs bad at August 06, 2015 02:58 PM (evdj2)
I knew Dennis Quaid was in it, but I had no idea about Jackie Earle Haley.
It's got Rorschach in it too. And Quaid.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes that 4 legs good, 2 legs bad at August 06, 2015 02:58 PM (evdj2)
I knew Dennis Quaid was in it, but I had no idea about Jackie Earle Haley.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (2Ojst)
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The GOP needs you to be so afraid of Democrats that you will vote for whatever turdpimple they shove on stage.
Stop being afraid.
Stop being afraid.
Posted by: eman at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (/zmyj)
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I respect Kevin Williamson a lot, but I'm just not ready to dismiss Trump yet. KW says Trump is a buffoon -- but, guess what, every last one of them is a buffoon when you look at them up close. We have to stop waiting for this perfectly brilliant, perfectly Reagan-esque candidate to come strolling along and to reluctantly allow him or herself to be drafted.
Posted by: Brewdog at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (ZgUuK)
434
Russian pron is how they got in the pentagon
Posted by: ThunderB at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (oFCZn)
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Posted by: anon a mouse at August 06, 2015 02:49 PM (C9pBZ)
Unfortunately it wasn't possible for me to have the opportunity to meet 'Prescott' .
Unfortunately it wasn't possible for me to have the opportunity to meet 'Prescott' .
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 06, 2015 03:01 PM (rfjjV)
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Posted by: Cruzinator at August 06, 2015 02:32 PM (rfjjV)
Psst. Hey buddy. C'mere I wanna talk wit you.
It's like this, man. I've got too many properties and the taxes are killing me, so I'm selling some of the stuff I don't really need for real cheap prices.
Listen, I've got this bridge see, primo location, and an antique style that you'll just love. Plus the city pays for maintenance.
It's over off South Street. Goes across the East River right into downtown Brooklyn.
You'll love it and the price is a steal.
Psst. Hey buddy. C'mere I wanna talk wit you.
It's like this, man. I've got too many properties and the taxes are killing me, so I'm selling some of the stuff I don't really need for real cheap prices.
Listen, I've got this bridge see, primo location, and an antique style that you'll just love. Plus the city pays for maintenance.
It's over off South Street. Goes across the East River right into downtown Brooklyn.
You'll love it and the price is a steal.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 03:01 PM (x3GpS)
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@401 Ronald Wilson Reagan was responsible for that.
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And if you'd quoted my post instead of just sticking my name up there as a reference, it would be obvious to everyone else instead of just the two of us that I said that.
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And if you'd quoted my post instead of just sticking my name up there as a reference, it would be obvious to everyone else instead of just the two of us that I said that.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 03:01 PM (3m3mw)
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>>> Yeah, but so far all the guy wants to do is attack Trump! Now, Trump is a clown, sure, but who needs another wheezy leftwing cartoonist ignoring the atrocities and clown shows on the left? I don't need "Bloom County" back that bad.
Posted by: Kensington at August 06, 2015 02:51 PM (7Kbxu)
I keep checking Breathed's FB page and I only see the first initial two strips. Is he posting others somewhere else I don't know about? If so wanna catch up.
Posted by: Kensington at August 06, 2015 02:51 PM (7Kbxu)
I keep checking Breathed's FB page and I only see the first initial two strips. Is he posting others somewhere else I don't know about? If so wanna catch up.
Posted by: LizLem at August 06, 2015 03:01 PM (hvf9s)
440
Saw Breaking Away at least a couple of times in the theater when it came out. Great movie. That tall lanky kid wound up in Blue Thunder with Roy Scheider a year or so later.
Posted by: Dang at August 06, 2015 03:01 PM (2oWD2)
441
I think my final heartbreak moment with the GOP was when Flynn lost to LaHood. I sent him some money and like Lloyd Christmas staring lovingly at Mary Samsonite...I thought there was a chance.
But no. Another Boehner Bitch goes to congress.
But no. Another Boehner Bitch goes to congress.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 03:01 PM (75gXb)
442
No, no. That's not me. That is patriotic Crimeans fighting for freedom
Posted by: Vlad Putin at August 06, 2015 03:01 PM (HstNY)
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409
2000 was almost entirely a referendum on Bill Clinton. Jeb, W, didn't
matter - people voting for W were voting against Clinton much more so
than voting for him. Would have been the same with pretty much any other
candidate.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (kQfqk)
I don't think that is true. I think Jeb would have out-performed W in 2000. For one, you wouldn't have had the last minute DUI. For another, you would have had more Hispanic votes because of his wife (I'm not saying a ton, just more). And, because he doesn't talk with that accent W has, the media wouldn't have been able to paint him as stupid the way they did W. So, I think he would have won outright, with none of the Florida recount nonsense.
2000 was almost entirely a referendum on Bill Clinton. Jeb, W, didn't
matter - people voting for W were voting against Clinton much more so
than voting for him. Would have been the same with pretty much any other
candidate.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (kQfqk)
I don't think that is true. I think Jeb would have out-performed W in 2000. For one, you wouldn't have had the last minute DUI. For another, you would have had more Hispanic votes because of his wife (I'm not saying a ton, just more). And, because he doesn't talk with that accent W has, the media wouldn't have been able to paint him as stupid the way they did W. So, I think he would have won outright, with none of the Florida recount nonsense.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 06, 2015 03:01 PM (3ZtZW)
444
Lots of the time, clips are shown out of order, or two shots are done back to back to imply that one caused another when the actual events occurred days apart.
There are a lot of other tricks. They will film someone upset or stressed out for later use with a voiceover when they get bad news from home or something needs punching up for drama. I read a few articles from people who worked on these shows and they're about 10% reality. If that.
There are a lot of other tricks. They will film someone upset or stressed out for later use with a voiceover when they get bad news from home or something needs punching up for drama. I read a few articles from people who worked on these shows and they're about 10% reality. If that.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 03:02 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Moderate Salami -- Cecil the Dead Lion for Prez at August 06, 2015 03:02 PM (/Ho8c)
446
As a Republican, I have great respect for the Bush family. But it was very disappointing to hear Gov. Jeb Bush's extremist views on women's healthcare.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at August 06, 2015 03:02 PM (Ui7Rt)
447
Here's the thing about Hillary -- Her negatives are going to be so big that the usual campaign strategies will not apply.
Like with Jeb's "gaffe." Any other Dem candidate could run that clip with an ad that basically says, this Jeb guy hates women so vote for our nice, safe, reasonable candidate. But Hillary can't do that because most people care going to think, so f'n what if Jeb said something I still don't trust Hillary.
Like with Jeb's "gaffe." Any other Dem candidate could run that clip with an ad that basically says, this Jeb guy hates women so vote for our nice, safe, reasonable candidate. But Hillary can't do that because most people care going to think, so f'n what if Jeb said something I still don't trust Hillary.
Posted by: Brewdog at August 06, 2015 03:02 PM (ZgUuK)
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"Reagan had something else going for him that would have been difficult to beat with no internet - he had spoken directly to the people about a large number of issues that were important to conservatives."
AND LIBERTARIANS.
Reagan was the last top level Republican presidential contender to actively court libertarians, both small and big L. He was also the last genuinely successful top level Republican presidential contender.
Since then, the model has been to rudely shit down the necks of the libertarian bloc, and then get angry when they respond by staying home, or voting Libertarian even when there's no hope of a win (including voting for Democratic stalking horse "libertarian" candidates).
How about, gee whiz, reviving the Reagan model?
AND LIBERTARIANS.
Reagan was the last top level Republican presidential contender to actively court libertarians, both small and big L. He was also the last genuinely successful top level Republican presidential contender.
Since then, the model has been to rudely shit down the necks of the libertarian bloc, and then get angry when they respond by staying home, or voting Libertarian even when there's no hope of a win (including voting for Democratic stalking horse "libertarian" candidates).
How about, gee whiz, reviving the Reagan model?
Posted by: torquewrench at August 06, 2015 03:03 PM (noWW6)
449
We have to fix the nation from the ground up, not the top down.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:50 PM (39g3+)
However, the dismal truth is that the more power the scum at the top grab (and they grab it with the blessing or indifference of over half the American people), the harder it is to fix the country from the ground up. You can pass laws at the local level, but some corrupt Dem shitbag of a Federal judge can declare the wishes of the electorate null and void.
No, I don't think this will end until the shit really hits the fan hard - a market collapse, a huge terrorist attack on our soil, some epidemic brought across the border by a dreamer. I dread that day. But nothing will rouse this country from its apathetic slide. When everyone's lives are affected. and people can't just sit on the sofa and watch Brucellla any more - than things will happen.
At that point - the American people will either completely panic and permit a full-blown dictatorship to restore order, or they'll we need to go back to the principles that made America great. Given their recent track record, I'm not optimistic.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 02:50 PM (39g3+)
However, the dismal truth is that the more power the scum at the top grab (and they grab it with the blessing or indifference of over half the American people), the harder it is to fix the country from the ground up. You can pass laws at the local level, but some corrupt Dem shitbag of a Federal judge can declare the wishes of the electorate null and void.
No, I don't think this will end until the shit really hits the fan hard - a market collapse, a huge terrorist attack on our soil, some epidemic brought across the border by a dreamer. I dread that day. But nothing will rouse this country from its apathetic slide. When everyone's lives are affected. and people can't just sit on the sofa and watch Brucellla any more - than things will happen.
At that point - the American people will either completely panic and permit a full-blown dictatorship to restore order, or they'll we need to go back to the principles that made America great. Given their recent track record, I'm not optimistic.
Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at August 06, 2015 03:03 PM (u0lmX)
450
>>>406 DOD just said the pentagon is under cyber attack from Russia
You know who wouldn't put up with that shit? Cmdr. Tom Chandler, that's who. He loves murdering Russians.
Chandler/Slattery 2016. Since the field is nothing but fictional characters anyway.
You know who wouldn't put up with that shit? Cmdr. Tom Chandler, that's who. He loves murdering Russians.
Chandler/Slattery 2016. Since the field is nothing but fictional characters anyway.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 03:04 PM (75gXb)
451
@407 In some states voting in a precinct in which you do not live was considered fraud. (Yes, I know no one bothers to prosecute fraud in Democrat-controlled areas because fraud is a Democrat strategy.)
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Here in California, he could have changed his address and *still* be on the rolls at his original address. When I moved from my parents' place to Orange County, and reregistered there, I continued to get voter notification stuff (i.e. voting locations, etc...) sent in my name to my parents' house, along with the stuff that I was getting in Orange County. I eventually moved back to LA County, and that put a stop to the stuff arriving at my parents' place. I have no idea if my old OC address is still getting stuff, though.
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Here in California, he could have changed his address and *still* be on the rolls at his original address. When I moved from my parents' place to Orange County, and reregistered there, I continued to get voter notification stuff (i.e. voting locations, etc...) sent in my name to my parents' house, along with the stuff that I was getting in Orange County. I eventually moved back to LA County, and that put a stop to the stuff arriving at my parents' place. I have no idea if my old OC address is still getting stuff, though.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 03:04 PM (3m3mw)
452
I've noticed Paolo has become a bit "spiky" and not quite so nuanced in his responses lately.
I LIKE it.
I LIKE it.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 03:04 PM (x3GpS)
453
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 03:01 PM (x3GpS)
Ha ha stop your wit is killing me.
Ha ha stop your wit is killing me.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 06, 2015 03:04 PM (rfjjV)
454
Splendid analysis.
It's quite weird; the GOP represents its base so poorly that an obvious Democrat demagogue can step right in and fill the gap satisfactorily, show them to be Whigs, and launch well ahead of the entire pack and have his full previous documented political history discarded. The conservative base is rejecting conservative comportment. They're tired of behaving so g.d. conservatively reserved, and that's pretty much all.
It's quite weird; the GOP represents its base so poorly that an obvious Democrat demagogue can step right in and fill the gap satisfactorily, show them to be Whigs, and launch well ahead of the entire pack and have his full previous documented political history discarded. The conservative base is rejecting conservative comportment. They're tired of behaving so g.d. conservatively reserved, and that's pretty much all.
Posted by: bour3 at August 06, 2015 03:04 PM (5x3+2)
455
If I wanted to dispute that, I would merely have to get a list of States that allow only Party affiliated voters to vote in their Primaries, and then compare that list to the yahoos they send to Washington year after year after year.
Sure, but would they be any better with open primaries? I mean, its the voters that send who they send to congress regardless of the system. The only thing a closed primary does is prevent crossover votes as spoilers.
Sure, but would they be any better with open primaries? I mean, its the voters that send who they send to congress regardless of the system. The only thing a closed primary does is prevent crossover votes as spoilers.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 03:04 PM (39g3+)
456
In some states voting in a precinct in which you do not live was considered fraud. (Yes, I know no one bothers to prosecute fraud in Democrat-controlled areas because fraud is a Democrat strategy.)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier
Well, a relative still lives at that address, and I visit sometimes, and it's in the same city -- so I practically live there. Or could easily claim to.
In fact, when I vote, no one even asks for ID. And sometimes they even recognize you from last time, so you can just show up, and never say a word nor show anybody anything, and they'll just hand you a ballot and cross your name off the list. So I never defrauded anyone -- it was their choice to hand me a piece of paper. I never requested it!
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier
Well, a relative still lives at that address, and I visit sometimes, and it's in the same city -- so I practically live there. Or could easily claim to.
In fact, when I vote, no one even asks for ID. And sometimes they even recognize you from last time, so you can just show up, and never say a word nor show anybody anything, and they'll just hand you a ballot and cross your name off the list. So I never defrauded anyone -- it was their choice to hand me a piece of paper. I never requested it!
Posted by: zombie at August 06, 2015 03:04 PM (jBuUi)
457
If I wanted to dispute that, I would merely have to
get a list of States that allow only Party affiliated voters to vote in
their Primaries, and then compare that list to the yahoos they send to
Washington year after year after year.
People who want closed Primaries are barking up the wrong tree.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (TOk1P)
Here's your 12 states with closed Primaries:
Delaware, Florida, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Wyoming.
Now somebody PLEASE tell me how this has resulted in better candidates being nominated.
get a list of States that allow only Party affiliated voters to vote in
their Primaries, and then compare that list to the yahoos they send to
Washington year after year after year.
People who want closed Primaries are barking up the wrong tree.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (TOk1P)
Here's your 12 states with closed Primaries:
Delaware, Florida, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Wyoming.
Now somebody PLEASE tell me how this has resulted in better candidates being nominated.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 06, 2015 03:04 PM (TOk1P)
458
THE best thing for a woman's health is to be in the kitchen making guacamole.
Probably not good for anybody's health if the guacamole came from Mexico.
Probably not good for anybody's health if the guacamole came from Mexico.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 03:05 PM (OSs/l)
459
@409 2000 was almost entirely a referendum on Bill Clinton. Jeb, W, didn't matter - people voting for W were voting against Clinton much more so than voting for him. Would have been the same with pretty much any other candidate.
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The real question is whether or not Jeb would have survived the primary. We might have had President McCain on 9/11 instead of President Bush.
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The real question is whether or not Jeb would have survived the primary. We might have had President McCain on 9/11 instead of President Bush.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 03:05 PM (3m3mw)
460
294 How do you say "cuckold" in espanol?
Posted by: Fritz at August 06, 2015 02:39 PM (UzPAd)
++++
maricón
Posted by: Fritz at August 06, 2015 02:39 PM (UzPAd)
++++
maricón
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 06, 2015 03:06 PM (IN7k+)
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I zombie,
In Va here. Have been since become '70.
registered Sr. Year of HS, I know that.
But you raise a good point - I don't recall EVER changing an address on a "voter form." I've moved many times within the state, and was always automatically changed to my local precinct.
I assume that is because of Va's Motor Voter law? Whenever I changed address at DMV, I was probably changed at board of elections.
In Va here. Have been since become '70.
registered Sr. Year of HS, I know that.
But you raise a good point - I don't recall EVER changing an address on a "voter form." I've moved many times within the state, and was always automatically changed to my local precinct.
I assume that is because of Va's Motor Voter law? Whenever I changed address at DMV, I was probably changed at board of elections.
Posted by: Chi at August 06, 2015 03:06 PM (yB0WD)
462
Reminder: Purity tests are bad - except when applied to Trump.
Posted by: GOP sources say... at August 06, 2015 03:06 PM (Ui7Rt)
463
"Breaking Away" fun fact: my friend attended Indiana University around that time and said that in reality the tensions depicted between college kids and townies was non-existent.
Posted by: Kensington at August 06, 2015 03:06 PM (7Kbxu)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 06, 2015 03:07 PM (IN7k+)
465
Oddly missing for the last couple of months. Has she been taking Presidentin' lessons?
Michelle Obama.
Michelle Obama.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 06, 2015 03:08 PM (HZ31b)
Posted by: LizLem at August 06, 2015 03:08 PM (hvf9s)
467
"And, because he doesn't talk with that accent W has, the media wouldn't have been able to paint him as stupid the way they did W."
A lot of W's speech habits were deliberate affectation.
It's reported that in private, he pronounces the word "nuclear" properly, but in public, he usually mangled it to "nukular".
Played directly into the hands of a press corps (and Jon Stewart infotainment types) who used those things to paint him as a guy who is a barely literate imbecile.
A lot of W's speech habits were deliberate affectation.
It's reported that in private, he pronounces the word "nuclear" properly, but in public, he usually mangled it to "nukular".
Played directly into the hands of a press corps (and Jon Stewart infotainment types) who used those things to paint him as a guy who is a barely literate imbecile.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 06, 2015 03:08 PM (noWW6)
468
five paragraphs explaining why I think this country is great.
Not what you think. What you can show, objectively and empirically, on whether ANY of the trends in this country are pointing in a positive direction.
five paragraphs explaining why I think this country is great.
Not what you think. What you can show, objectively and empirically, on whether ANY of the trends in this country are pointing in a positive direction.
Posted by: imp at August 06, 2015 03:09 PM (XIXZz)
469
I don't recall EVER changing an address on a "voter form."
That's just weird to me. I move a lot, and while it's not the first thing I do when I land, it's something I always do a couple of months ahead of an election.
That's just weird to me. I move a lot, and while it's not the first thing I do when I land, it's something I always do a couple of months ahead of an election.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 06, 2015 03:09 PM (/kI1Q)
470
380 When I see all these internet acronyms I always try to figure them out before looking them up.
I figured QFT meant Quit Fucking Thinking
380 When I see all these internet acronyms I always try to figure them out before looking them up.
I figured QFT meant Quit Fucking Thinking
Posted by: MAx at August 06, 2015 03:09 PM (LAliD)
471
448"Reagan had something else going for him that would have been difficult to beat with no internet - he had spoken directly to the people about a large number of issues that were important to conservatives."
AND LIBERTARIANS.
Reagan was the last top level Republican presidential contender to actively court libertarians, both small and big L. He was also the last genuinely successful top level Republican presidential contender.
Since then, the model has been to rudely shit down the necks of the libertarian bloc, and then get angry when they respond by staying home, or voting Libertarian even when there's no hope of a win (including voting for Democratic stalking horse "libertarian" candidates).
How about, gee whiz, reviving the Reagan model?
Posted by: torquewrench at August 06, 2015 03:03 PM (noWW6) Not coincidentally, Reagan was also the last candidate to actively campaign on serious proposals to shrink the federal government. Not just cut taxes, not just vaguely talk about how big government is bad. Bush I, Dole, Bush II, McCain, Romney.....all those guys loved them some big government.
AND LIBERTARIANS.
Reagan was the last top level Republican presidential contender to actively court libertarians, both small and big L. He was also the last genuinely successful top level Republican presidential contender.
Since then, the model has been to rudely shit down the necks of the libertarian bloc, and then get angry when they respond by staying home, or voting Libertarian even when there's no hope of a win (including voting for Democratic stalking horse "libertarian" candidates).
How about, gee whiz, reviving the Reagan model?
Posted by: torquewrench at August 06, 2015 03:03 PM (noWW6) Not coincidentally, Reagan was also the last candidate to actively campaign on serious proposals to shrink the federal government. Not just cut taxes, not just vaguely talk about how big government is bad. Bush I, Dole, Bush II, McCain, Romney.....all those guys loved them some big government.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 03:10 PM (kQfqk)
472
406 DOD just said the pentagon is under cyber attack from Russia
Posted by: ThunderB at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (zOTsN)
I kinda thought that would happen every day, to one extent or another.
Posted by: ThunderB at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (zOTsN)
I kinda thought that would happen every day, to one extent or another.
Posted by: joncelli, Penis Monster at August 06, 2015 03:10 PM (RD7QR)
473
Weasel zippers
UC Berkeley students : Don't blame Islam for Chattanooga Terrorist Attack, America had it coming.
UC Berkeley students : Don't blame Islam for Chattanooga Terrorist Attack, America had it coming.
Posted by: Pyro Technical Support at August 06, 2015 03:10 PM (yjJan)
474
The GOP needs you to be so afraid of Democrats that you will vote for whatever turdpimple they shove on stage.
Stop being afraid.
Posted by: eman at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (/zmyj)
I know. Here, a mental exercise: The Gope flames out in '16. Loses the race for the White House, loses maybe 70 seats in the House, loses a half dozen or more Senate seats.
Worst case, scenario, right?
Except, it means if/when they ever DO get a majority again, Boehner won't be the Speaker, and Madge McConnell won't be Majority Leader.
I'm supposed to see that as a bad thing... why?
Stop being afraid.
Posted by: eman at August 06, 2015 03:00 PM (/zmyj)
I know. Here, a mental exercise: The Gope flames out in '16. Loses the race for the White House, loses maybe 70 seats in the House, loses a half dozen or more Senate seats.
Worst case, scenario, right?
Except, it means if/when they ever DO get a majority again, Boehner won't be the Speaker, and Madge McConnell won't be Majority Leader.
I'm supposed to see that as a bad thing... why?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 06, 2015 03:11 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 06, 2015 03:11 PM (zOTsN)
476
Va. Is a closed primary state.
I can vote in neither primary, because, as I stated, I am registered to neither party.
I can vote in neither primary, because, as I stated, I am registered to neither party.
Posted by: Chi at August 06, 2015 03:11 PM (yB0WD)
Posted by: Jaws at August 06, 2015 03:12 PM (Jktp1)
478
Get ready for President Sanders. Posted by: SFGoth at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (DvjOK)
This is what I think, as well. I see a lot of pro-Sanders links from my Democrat friends on Facebook and nothing for Hillary, not even from the people I'm fairly confident prefer her.
This is what I think, as well. I see a lot of pro-Sanders links from my Democrat friends on Facebook and nothing for Hillary, not even from the people I'm fairly confident prefer her.
Posted by: not the mama at August 06, 2015 03:12 PM (BP45w)
479
>>>465 Oddly missing for the last couple of months. Has she been taking Presidentin' lessons?
Michelle Obama.
Don't laugh. That's so fucking happening. Expect a Senate run in the next few years in a deep blue state.
You will never be rid of them. Never. They just can't resist the urge to 'help' you.
Michelle Obama.
Don't laugh. That's so fucking happening. Expect a Senate run in the next few years in a deep blue state.
You will never be rid of them. Never. They just can't resist the urge to 'help' you.
Posted by: El Kabong at August 06, 2015 03:12 PM (75gXb)
480
@474 Except, it means if/when they ever DO get a majority again, Boehner won't be the Speaker, and Madge McConnell won't be Majority Leader.
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Sez who?
When was the last time *either* party changed its leadership in the two houses? Pelosi and Reid should have been replaced in 2010, but that didn't happen. What makes you think that Boehner and McConnell will be voted out if they lose their majorities?
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Sez who?
When was the last time *either* party changed its leadership in the two houses? Pelosi and Reid should have been replaced in 2010, but that didn't happen. What makes you think that Boehner and McConnell will be voted out if they lose their majorities?
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 03:12 PM (3m3mw)
481
I think Reagan had a big advantage in that most of the press and the leftist establishment were almost totally unaware of conservative thought. So when he spoke he left them completely disarmed and confused. They'd never heard anything like that and had no stock, comfortable, memorized lines to respond with.
And back then, there was no Journolist and no Talking Points Memo et al to help create and propagate responses. So Reagan basically steamrolled his opponents by knowing their game inside and out and them not knowing him at all.
It wouldn't work that way today. He'd still do well because he had a gift at being winning and charming and reaching people at a folksy, engaging level. But it would be much harder.
And back then, there was no Journolist and no Talking Points Memo et al to help create and propagate responses. So Reagan basically steamrolled his opponents by knowing their game inside and out and them not knowing him at all.
It wouldn't work that way today. He'd still do well because he had a gift at being winning and charming and reaching people at a folksy, engaging level. But it would be much harder.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 03:12 PM (39g3+)
482
Speaking of movies, (Well, we weren't but we were speaking of operas) I saw a movie last night that I had never seen before, but I think it got several awards, "Breaking Away" with Dennis Christopher (Is that his name?) Very good and a funny film.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 02:50 PM (OSs/l)
A high school buddy of mine was attending IU when 'Breaking Away' was being filmed in Bloomington. Mike was an extra in the spectator crowd scenes and the camera zoomed in on him for, I dunno, more than a full second of closeup cheering delerium. There he was: Seventies hair (proof he once had hair), Seventies clothes, nineteen years old. I still tease him about it whenever I see him.
And the best part? 'Breaking Away' is a decent little flick.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 02:50 PM (OSs/l)
A high school buddy of mine was attending IU when 'Breaking Away' was being filmed in Bloomington. Mike was an extra in the spectator crowd scenes and the camera zoomed in on him for, I dunno, more than a full second of closeup cheering delerium. There he was: Seventies hair (proof he once had hair), Seventies clothes, nineteen years old. I still tease him about it whenever I see him.
And the best part? 'Breaking Away' is a decent little flick.
Posted by: troyriser at August 06, 2015 03:13 PM (XHR9b)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 06, 2015 03:13 PM (zOTsN)
484
DOD just said the pentagon is under cyber attack from Russia
Posted by: ThunderB at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (zOTsN)
I kinda thought that would happen every day, to one extent or another.
Posted by: joncelli, Penis Monster at August 06, 2015 03:10 PM (RD7QR)
How do they know they are under attack... all their little troop symbols on their screen are on fire?
Posted by: ThunderB at August 06, 2015 02:57 PM (zOTsN)
I kinda thought that would happen every day, to one extent or another.
Posted by: joncelli, Penis Monster at August 06, 2015 03:10 PM (RD7QR)
How do they know they are under attack... all their little troop symbols on their screen are on fire?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 06, 2015 03:13 PM (TOk1P)
485
JackStraw,
Oh and google Tony Schwartz and go to his wiki page. That way you
can learn all about the guy who wrote Trump's most famous book.
I did. He seems like a successful motivational speaker , analyst , consultant type.
Was your point that Trump didn't write the book ? Or did I miss something obvious ?
Oh and google Tony Schwartz and go to his wiki page. That way you
can learn all about the guy who wrote Trump's most famous book.
I did. He seems like a successful motivational speaker , analyst , consultant type.
Was your point that Trump didn't write the book ? Or did I miss something obvious ?
Posted by: Jeb! - the smart one at August 06, 2015 03:13 PM (Yrjee)
486
UC Berkeley students : Don't blame Islam for Chattanooga Terrorist Attack, America had it coming.
Remember when this kind of sh-t was confined to Berkeley, and wasn't pretty much half the country?
Remember when this kind of sh-t was confined to Berkeley, and wasn't pretty much half the country?
Posted by: V the K at August 06, 2015 03:13 PM (O7MnT)
487
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 06, 2015 03:04 PM (rfjjV)
Just trying to scrape some of that wool off your eyes.
I mean well but I'm just an asshole so it doesn't work out sometimes.
Just trying to scrape some of that wool off your eyes.
I mean well but I'm just an asshole so it doesn't work out sometimes.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (x3GpS)
488
UC Berkeley students : Don't blame Islam for Chattanooga Terrorist Attack, America had it coming.
Non sequitur, what does it mean?
Non sequitur, what does it mean?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (39g3+)
489
/idiot GOPe guacamole-head sock off
Posted by: some random meathead at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (Yrjee)
490
What makes you think that Boehner and McConnell will be voted out if they lose their majorities?
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 03:12 PM (3m3mw)
Well, I think it's because we don't have Speaker Gingrich, and Majority Leader Frist in there right now.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 03:12 PM (3m3mw)
Well, I think it's because we don't have Speaker Gingrich, and Majority Leader Frist in there right now.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (TOk1P)
491
VA isn't a "closed" primary in the sense that you don't register as a member of a particular party. You just can't vote in both primaries.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (eytER)
492
Pentagon email and servers compromised for at least two weeks, under cyber attack by Russia.
When you are weak this sort of shut ramps up
When you are weak this sort of shut ramps up
Posted by: ThunderB at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (zOTsN)
493
if Trump is serious about closing the border and throwing the illegals out, he's got my vote over Jeb! and the rest of the GOPe amnesty crowd.
yeah, he'll lean left on a lot of other shit, but which one of the others won't?
better to win on at least one item, than lose on them all.
SMOD is still my first choice though.
yeah, he'll lean left on a lot of other shit, but which one of the others won't?
better to win on at least one item, than lose on them all.
SMOD is still my first choice though.
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (pZtrP)
494
Get ready for President Sanders. Posted by: SFGoth at August 06, 2015 02:05 PM (DvjOK)
I am sure all of us conservatives will fully support his socialist initiatives because he's an old white guy and, y'know, the *only* reason we opposed Obama's socialist initiatives is because all of us are racists.
I am sure all of us conservatives will fully support his socialist initiatives because he's an old white guy and, y'know, the *only* reason we opposed Obama's socialist initiatives is because all of us are racists.
Posted by: V the K at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (O7MnT)
495
I'm very concerned that JEB has been acting like a wuss, and the family will take extreme measures to stiffen up his back and make him a man. I believed we had accomplished that task decades past, but something about eating Mexican food and speaking Spanish has changed his demeanor. It must be something in the tacos.
I'm very concerned that JEB has been acting like a wuss, and the family will take extreme measures to stiffen up his back and make him a man. I believed we had accomplished that task decades past, but something about eating Mexican food and speaking Spanish has changed his demeanor. It must be something in the tacos.
Posted by: Barbara Bush at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (OiFtZ)
496
Breaking Away was when everyone realized the "cool" kid from Bad News Bears had turned into a weird midget.
Posted by: eleven at August 06, 2015 03:16 PM (Fety7)
497
Posted by: troyriser at August 06, 2015 03:13 PM (XHR9b)
I think that would be a fun thing to look back on as participating in.
I think that would be a fun thing to look back on as participating in.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 03:16 PM (OSs/l)
498
CA is open primary so I am voting for Sanders, because no (R) candidate is going to carry CA anyway.
Posted by: navybrat at August 06, 2015 03:16 PM (JgC5a)
499
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 03:12 PM (39g3+)
also he was an actor, and public figure as a spokesman for GM (IIRC) and head of screen actors guild.
So the LIVs knew who he was.
also he was an actor, and public figure as a spokesman for GM (IIRC) and head of screen actors guild.
So the LIVs knew who he was.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 03:17 PM (AkOaV)
500
Trumps Positions are no different than the rest of them, except for Cruz perhaps
Posted by: ThunderB at August 06, 2015 03:17 PM (zOTsN)
501
I am sure all of us conservatives will fully support
his socialist initiatives because he's an old white guy and, y'know,
the *only* reason we opposed Obama's socialist initiatives is because
all of us are racists.
Posted by: V the K at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (O7MnT)
Personally I'm scared of the Columbians, so... yeah, President Colonel Sanders it is!
his socialist initiatives because he's an old white guy and, y'know,
the *only* reason we opposed Obama's socialist initiatives is because
all of us are racists.
Posted by: V the K at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (O7MnT)
Personally I'm scared of the Columbians, so... yeah, President Colonel Sanders it is!
Posted by: BurtTC at August 06, 2015 03:17 PM (TOk1P)
502
Will we be drunk blogging the debates tonight?
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes that 4 legs good, 2 legs bad at August 06, 2015 03:18 PM (evdj2)
503
The base could be won back with the defunding of PP.
Posted by: SH at August 06, 2015 03:18 PM (gmeXX)
504
>>Was your point that Trump didn't write the book ? Or did I miss something obvious ?
Seeing as how the guy I was replying to insisted that Trump did not have a ghostwriter and wrote his own book, yes, I'd say you missed something.
Seeing as how the guy I was replying to insisted that Trump did not have a ghostwriter and wrote his own book, yes, I'd say you missed something.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 06, 2015 03:18 PM (OGm46)
505
Non sequitur, what does it mean?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (39g3+)
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It means that Islam is justified in fighting back against US Imperialism and cultural aggression.
Like Obama talks about White Oppression and how people who look like him are justified in fighting back, because he has experienced that oppression and knows how it feels.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (39g3+)
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It means that Islam is justified in fighting back against US Imperialism and cultural aggression.
Like Obama talks about White Oppression and how people who look like him are justified in fighting back, because he has experienced that oppression and knows how it feels.
Posted by: Pyro Technical Support at August 06, 2015 03:18 PM (yjJan)
506
Get ready for President Sanders. Posted by: SFGoth
From the Southeast US, none of the Dems I know have even heard of him.
I only know of him from AOS and various news/political junkie sites.
It's all 'ReAdY Fer HilRy' around here.
Just like 2008.
OOoooh.
From the Southeast US, none of the Dems I know have even heard of him.
I only know of him from AOS and various news/political junkie sites.
It's all 'ReAdY Fer HilRy' around here.
Just like 2008.
OOoooh.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 06, 2015 03:18 PM (Yrjee)
507
505 Non sequitur, what does it mean?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (39g3+)
------------
It means that Islam is justified in fighting back against US Imperialism and cultural aggression.
Wait, that's wrong?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 03:15 PM (39g3+)
------------
It means that Islam is justified in fighting back against US Imperialism and cultural aggression.
Wait, that's wrong?
Posted by: Ronnie and Randy at August 06, 2015 03:19 PM (2Ojst)
508
It means that Islam is justified in fighting back against US Imperialism and cultural aggression.
Yes, I understand that. What I mean is that it does not follow that the attacks were not by Muslim extremists just because we have it coming. Non Sequitur = does not follow in high falutin' talk.
Both propositions could be true, and their assertion does not counter the argument they are attacking.
Yes, I understand that. What I mean is that it does not follow that the attacks were not by Muslim extremists just because we have it coming. Non Sequitur = does not follow in high falutin' talk.
Both propositions could be true, and their assertion does not counter the argument they are attacking.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 03:20 PM (39g3+)
509
Posted by: some random meathead at August 06, 2015 03:18 PM (Yrjee)
He's huge in NH.
Maybe because he's from VT. Probably because he's here all the time, as we're the first primary state.
But I see his signs and stickers EVERYWHERE
He's huge in NH.
Maybe because he's from VT. Probably because he's here all the time, as we're the first primary state.
But I see his signs and stickers EVERYWHERE
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 06, 2015 03:20 PM (AkOaV)
510
#498: LOL... and a damn good idea.
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 06, 2015 03:20 PM (pZtrP)
511
@498 CA is open primary so I am voting for Sanders, because no (R) candidate is going to carry CA anyway.
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California is open primary... except for the Presidential races.
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California is open primary... except for the Presidential races.
Posted by: junior at August 06, 2015 03:20 PM (3m3mw)
512
President Sanders? Good luck with that.A septugenarian gomer from Vermont is not winning a national election. He's gota major limit on his appeal. His popularity is a mile deep but a foot wide.
President Biden is much, much more likely IMO.
President Sanders? Good luck with that.A septugenarian gomer from Vermont is not winning a national election. He's gota major limit on his appeal. His popularity is a mile deep but a foot wide.
President Biden is much, much more likely IMO.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 03:20 PM (kQfqk)
513
Arnold Swartzenager
Jesse Ventura
Al Franken
Ronald Reagan
I wouldn't be so sure that Trump would lose in a general election. There is something to be said for celebrity.
Jesse Ventura
Al Franken
Ronald Reagan
I wouldn't be so sure that Trump would lose in a general election. There is something to be said for celebrity.
Posted by: notsothoreau at August 06, 2015 03:20 PM (5HBd1)
514
I was replying to insisted that Trump did not have a ghostwriter and wrote his own book, yes, I'd say you missed something.
yep. Got it, thanks.
Minx 0.7 alpha will be hearing from my lawyers about my increasingly blurring vision.
Damn these glasses!
yep. Got it, thanks.
Minx 0.7 alpha will be hearing from my lawyers about my increasingly blurring vision.
Damn these glasses!
Posted by: some random meathead at August 06, 2015 03:21 PM (Yrjee)
515
From the Southeast US, none of the Dems I know have even heard of him.
I only know of him from AOS and various news/political junkie sites.
It's all 'ReAdY Fer HilRy' around here.
Just like 2008.
OOoooh.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 06, 2015 03:18 PM (Yrjee)
Actually, I think that's why Hillery's greater threat right now is Bite Me Biden, rather than Slim Shady Sanders.
Name recognition.
I'm still of the opinion though, that your eventual Dem nominee is not yet talking about running for Prez.
I only know of him from AOS and various news/political junkie sites.
It's all 'ReAdY Fer HilRy' around here.
Just like 2008.
OOoooh.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 06, 2015 03:18 PM (Yrjee)
Actually, I think that's why Hillery's greater threat right now is Bite Me Biden, rather than Slim Shady Sanders.
Name recognition.
I'm still of the opinion though, that your eventual Dem nominee is not yet talking about running for Prez.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 06, 2015 03:21 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Uncle Joe at August 06, 2015 03:21 PM (Jktp1)
517
The problem with closed primary states is that it is trivial (maybe a window that it can't be changed within) to change your party affiliation.
You don't sign an affidavit or show a membership card or even spout party slogans so anyone can dance.
I almost changed mine a la Limbaugh's idea but didn't bother because I was hoping to knock that shit weasel McCain out but by the time our primary was held it was a foregone conclusion.
THAT'S what I want to see changed somehow. And that can be done at the party level. But they don't want to change that because it's in their best interest not to.
All member votes should count for the nomination not just the first 10 or so.
You don't sign an affidavit or show a membership card or even spout party slogans so anyone can dance.
I almost changed mine a la Limbaugh's idea but didn't bother because I was hoping to knock that shit weasel McCain out but by the time our primary was held it was a foregone conclusion.
THAT'S what I want to see changed somehow. And that can be done at the party level. But they don't want to change that because it's in their best interest not to.
All member votes should count for the nomination not just the first 10 or so.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 03:21 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Ozzie Ozbourne at August 06, 2015 03:21 PM (NpXoL)
Posted by: steevy at August 06, 2015 03:22 PM (sPO3u)
520
And with the rape statement, I think it helps that Ivana came out called "bullshit" on it.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at August 06, 2015 03:22 PM (vg8iE)
521
The peasants break into the prison where royalists are being held and massacre them. Man, those lady peasants were mean:
https://youtu.be/E-6ruyZFfZs?t=765
The peasants break into the prison where royalists are being held and massacre them. Man, those lady peasants were mean:
https://youtu.be/E-6ruyZFfZs?t=765
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 06, 2015 03:23 PM (iQIUe)
522
Pentagon cyber attack being called the most sophisticated cyber breech in U.S. History
Pentagon cyber attack being called the most sophisticated cyber breech in U.S. History
Posted by: ThunderB at August 06, 2015 03:23 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Garrett at August 06, 2015 03:23 PM (C/bZe)
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 06, 2015 03:24 PM (pZtrP)
525
I can now convincingly explain why the first two Bushes won, and why the third one is the favorite. You'll also learn my soopersecret method to win any election with ease.
The explanation lies in the Democratic primary election in MS. Robert Gray, a truck driver that made not one campaign appearance, spent no funds nor raised any, had no signs or ads, and didn't even vote for himself as he was out of town on election day...
Won 50% of the vote in a 3 way primary race. Why? His name was first on the ballot. Cousin Pookie got off his couch to vote for his bootlegging brother in law as county coroner, and filled in the first oval he saw for the gubner race. The other names started with 'S'.
So change your last name to Aardvark and kick some election ass.
The explanation lies in the Democratic primary election in MS. Robert Gray, a truck driver that made not one campaign appearance, spent no funds nor raised any, had no signs or ads, and didn't even vote for himself as he was out of town on election day...
Won 50% of the vote in a 3 way primary race. Why? His name was first on the ballot. Cousin Pookie got off his couch to vote for his bootlegging brother in law as county coroner, and filled in the first oval he saw for the gubner race. The other names started with 'S'.
So change your last name to Aardvark and kick some election ass.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 06, 2015 03:24 PM (jPlFu)
526
whoops.
Posted by: redc1c4 at August 06, 2015 03:24 PM (pZtrP)
527
The best way to derail trump is to take him as a serious candidate. I think he will implode.
Posted by: bestie21 at August 06, 2015 03:24 PM (FK8HV)
528
Franken, Ventura and Schwarteznegger were state candidates, not national candidates, and in any case fraud is the only reason Franken was elected. Comparing Ronald Reagan to Donald fucking Trump is so self-evidently idiotic that I'm not going to bother with a response.
Franken, Ventura and Schwarteznegger were state candidates, not national candidates, and in any case fraud is the only reason Franken was elected. Comparing Ronald Reagan to Donald fucking Trump is so self-evidently idiotic that I'm not going to bother with a response.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 03:24 PM (kQfqk)
529
So you can vote for Democrats and get Democrat policies
or
You can vote for Republicans and get Democrat policies
or
You can vote for Trump and get Democrat policies but some great laughs.
or
You can vote for Republicans and get Democrat policies
or
You can vote for Trump and get Democrat policies but some great laughs.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 06, 2015 03:25 PM (xSCb6)
530
527 The best way to derail trump is to take him as a serious candidate. I think he will implode.
Posted by: bestie21 at August 06, 2015 03:24 PM (FK8HV)
Going for Day 2, eh?
Good luck.
Posted by: bestie21 at August 06, 2015 03:24 PM (FK8HV)
Going for Day 2, eh?
Good luck.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 06, 2015 03:25 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: navybrat at August 06, 2015 03:25 PM (JgC5a)
532
Brian Dennehy was excellent in that.
Posted by: Garrett at August 06, 2015 03:23 PM (C/bZe)
His work as the abandoned quarry turned swimming hole was genius.
Posted by: Garrett at August 06, 2015 03:23 PM (C/bZe)
His work as the abandoned quarry turned swimming hole was genius.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 06, 2015 03:26 PM (2Ojst)
533
Brian Dennehy was excellent in that.
His portrayal of the quarry was Oscar worthy. Cheated again though.
His portrayal of the quarry was Oscar worthy. Cheated again though.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes that 4 legs good, 2 legs bad at August 06, 2015 03:26 PM (evdj2)
534
Jinx!
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes that 4 legs good, 2 legs bad at August 06, 2015 03:26 PM (evdj2)
535
Brian Dennehy was excellent in that.
Posted by: Garrett
I believe he was nominated for an Oscar for his performance as Indiana University.
Posted by: Garrett
I believe he was nominated for an Oscar for his performance as Indiana University.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 06, 2015 03:26 PM (Yrjee)
536
Man, if your neighbor didnt like you all they had to do is send an anonymous letter denouncing you and you were dead. No evidence required. Like all commies numbers - not guilt, was what m.attered
Man, if your neighbor didnt like you all they had to do is send an anonymous letter denouncing you and you were dead. No evidence required. Like all commies numbers - not guilt, was what m.attered
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 06, 2015 03:26 PM (iQIUe)
537
coincidentally, Reagan was also the last candidate
to actively campaign on serious proposals to shrink the federal
government. Not just cut taxes, not just vaguely talk about how big
government is bad. Bush I, Dole, Bush II, McCain, Romney.....all those
guys loved them some big government.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 03:10 PM (kQfqk)
But, this goes back to a point I repeatedly make here and at other conservative sites - the GOP is not a conservative party. It was not founded as a conservative party and has never been a conservative party. It was the anti-slave party and morphed into the pro-business party (and please note - pro-business does NOT equal conservative. Big Businesses love big gov't).Goldwater and than Reagan were the first (and only) conservative presidential candidates (in terms of modern conservatism). And the party hated both of them. The GOP despised Reagan. And as soon as he was gone, the GOP reverted immediately to what it was and has never looked back. In fact, the GOP has been moving leftward for the last 35 years. It was a slower movement at first, but the last 8 years the move left by the GOP has rapidly picked up the pace.
Conservatives joined cause with the GOP because it was for low taxes and strong national defense/foreign policy (as opposed to the USSR loving DNC). And, to some extent, the GOP was the more socially conservative party.
But their is no more USSR. The GOP is still (allegedly) for low taxes, but is also for crazy spending.
there is very little, if any, common cause between conservatives and the GOP any longer.
to actively campaign on serious proposals to shrink the federal
government. Not just cut taxes, not just vaguely talk about how big
government is bad. Bush I, Dole, Bush II, McCain, Romney.....all those
guys loved them some big government.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 03:10 PM (kQfqk)
But, this goes back to a point I repeatedly make here and at other conservative sites - the GOP is not a conservative party. It was not founded as a conservative party and has never been a conservative party. It was the anti-slave party and morphed into the pro-business party (and please note - pro-business does NOT equal conservative. Big Businesses love big gov't).Goldwater and than Reagan were the first (and only) conservative presidential candidates (in terms of modern conservatism). And the party hated both of them. The GOP despised Reagan. And as soon as he was gone, the GOP reverted immediately to what it was and has never looked back. In fact, the GOP has been moving leftward for the last 35 years. It was a slower movement at first, but the last 8 years the move left by the GOP has rapidly picked up the pace.
Conservatives joined cause with the GOP because it was for low taxes and strong national defense/foreign policy (as opposed to the USSR loving DNC). And, to some extent, the GOP was the more socially conservative party.
But their is no more USSR. The GOP is still (allegedly) for low taxes, but is also for crazy spending.
there is very little, if any, common cause between conservatives and the GOP any longer.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 06, 2015 03:26 PM (3ZtZW)
538
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes that 4 legs good, 2 legs bad at August 06, 2015 03:26 PM (evdj2)
GMTA!
GMTA!
Posted by: Insomniac at August 06, 2015 03:26 PM (2Ojst)
539
"Seeing as how the guy I was replying to insisted that Trump did not have a ghostwriter and wrote his own book, yes, I'd say you missed something."
I didn't insist. I said, "guessed."
You want to have a tedious conversation about who wrote what when. You don't know and neither do I. The role a ghostwriter plays in a project can be very different. Ex. Bill Ayers - "Dreams from my Father."
So Trump had a co-author on "The Art of the Deal." Big deal.
His latest book, "Time to get Tough" is his policy book. Don't tell me he wasn't instrumental in describing his policies to his who ever (if anyone) wrote the book with.
I didn't insist. I said, "guessed."
You want to have a tedious conversation about who wrote what when. You don't know and neither do I. The role a ghostwriter plays in a project can be very different. Ex. Bill Ayers - "Dreams from my Father."
So Trump had a co-author on "The Art of the Deal." Big deal.
His latest book, "Time to get Tough" is his policy book. Don't tell me he wasn't instrumental in describing his policies to his who ever (if anyone) wrote the book with.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 06, 2015 03:26 PM (BmnL5)
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 06, 2015 03:26 PM (jPlFu)
Posted by: eleven at August 06, 2015 03:27 PM (Fety7)
Posted by: some random meathead at August 06, 2015 03:27 PM (Yrjee)
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Joker Money Pile Being Hit By SMOD at August 06, 2015 03:27 PM (mf5HN)
544
"And why the hell didn't Jeb Bush show some passion when Trump made a crude crack about him having to love illegals, because of his wife? Why not publicly show some ire?"
because he's an anal, passive-aggressive, asshole dauphin who just wants to crush people with power and money and the eternal entitlement and patrician prerogative of his name. Can't you just imagine how they all talk about people like Palin and trump from the porch in Kennbungholeport with the perfectly rusticated speedboats gently rocking on the distant dock.
because he's an anal, passive-aggressive, asshole dauphin who just wants to crush people with power and money and the eternal entitlement and patrician prerogative of his name. Can't you just imagine how they all talk about people like Palin and trump from the porch in Kennbungholeport with the perfectly rusticated speedboats gently rocking on the distant dock.
Posted by: rrpjr at August 06, 2015 03:27 PM (s/yC1)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 06, 2015 03:28 PM (4WhSY)
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes that 4 legs good, 2 legs bad at August 06, 2015 03:28 PM (evdj2)
547
One of the great actors in "Breaking Away" aside from Brian Dennehy- as Indiana Univesity., of course was the actor who played the father. I don't know what else I've seen him in but the look at the end of the film as he watches his son with the French girl was priceless.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 03:28 PM (OSs/l)
548
You know, Trump-Jenner would be an interesting ticket. He/She is supposably a hardline conservative.
Posted by: V the K at August 06, 2015 03:29 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 06, 2015 03:29 PM (iQIUe)
550
If we were to select the ticket by ball size it would be Walker/Fiorina in some order.
Posted by: ZBBMcFate at August 06, 2015 03:29 PM (Hj9yW)
551
Hardline!
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 06, 2015 03:29 PM (xSCb6)
552
Fenelon -- 16 Candles.
Posted by: eleven at August 06, 2015 03:30 PM (Fety7)
553
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Joker Money Pile Being Hit By SMOD at August 06, 2015 03:27 PM (mf5HN)
Not sure what I was expecting, but I didn't leave unsatisfied.
Not sure what I was expecting, but I didn't leave unsatisfied.
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at August 06, 2015 03:30 PM (Z3HgI)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 03:30 PM (x3GpS)
555
So shall we put a fork in it and declare it done? Apologize to dear old Ben Franklin saying "We're sorry, we couldn't keep it"?
Because honestly, I think we are going to see a majority of conservatives sit this election out. With Hillary, Sanders and O'Malley turning left faster than Nascar - the turd will be spinning pretty fast around the toilet boil - like it does before it disappears.
Because honestly, I think we are going to see a majority of conservatives sit this election out. With Hillary, Sanders and O'Malley turning left faster than Nascar - the turd will be spinning pretty fast around the toilet boil - like it does before it disappears.
Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at August 06, 2015 03:31 PM (DlmoZ)
556
Bush is the Chamber of Slime and the Rino Establishment's puppet, he's a progressive posing as a Conservative.
Posted by: Rose at August 06, 2015 03:31 PM (/1Oxb)
557
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Joker Money Pile Being Hit By SMOD at August 06, 2015 03:27 PM (mf5HN)
LOL. I think the color selection is a little off, though. Some stylist must have mixed up a wrong shade.
LOL. I think the color selection is a little off, though. Some stylist must have mixed up a wrong shade.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2015 03:33 PM (OSs/l)
558
We haven't been a Republic for quite a while now.
What's up for grabs now is will the Emperor be selected by Family or by TV Ratings.
What's up for grabs now is will the Emperor be selected by Family or by TV Ratings.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 03:33 PM (x3GpS)
559
You also have to remember Reagan was running against 23% home mortgages, Iran hostages, run away inflation foreign policy failures across the board, gas lines. He came across as a leader.
Posted by: wrg500 at August 06, 2015 03:33 PM (S+el1)
560
My country is not broken nor ruined.
I will NOT allow that.
There are enough of me that over time, will reverse this course we're on.
The Declaration of Independence--the intent.
The Bill of Rights--that which is inalienable.
The Constitution--the blueprint.
THAT is our bedrock--it allowed us to flourish and become the most exceptional country and people on the planet. Still there, never to disappear.
Those of us who hold to that bedrock will prevail.
Because we are Americans, and as such are denied the option of failure.
My country is not broken nor ruined.
I will NOT allow that.
There are enough of me that over time, will reverse this course we're on.
The Declaration of Independence--the intent.
The Bill of Rights--that which is inalienable.
The Constitution--the blueprint.
THAT is our bedrock--it allowed us to flourish and become the most exceptional country and people on the planet. Still there, never to disappear.
Those of us who hold to that bedrock will prevail.
Because we are Americans, and as such are denied the option of failure.
Posted by: irongrampa at August 06, 2015 03:34 PM (jeCnD)
561
Trump-Jenner would be an interesting ticket. He/She is supposably a hardline conservative.
Pure genius.
Trump would win EVERY negotiation. He would simply send his VP to the table and make his demands. His opponents would not be able to tear their eyes away from the horror that was once an Olympic athlete and would sign anything just to make. it. stop.
Pure genius.
Trump would win EVERY negotiation. He would simply send his VP to the table and make his demands. His opponents would not be able to tear their eyes away from the horror that was once an Olympic athlete and would sign anything just to make. it. stop.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 06, 2015 03:34 PM (Yrjee)
562
OT, Monica Crowley (Fox commentator) says that there is no way that the FBI would be conducting a criminal investigation of Hillary! without Obama signing off on it. The same reason that the IRS scandal (and all the others) got no traction is the reason that this one has traction. Obama wants it done.
So, the fix is in, she is sunk.
So, the fix is in, she is sunk.
Posted by: navybrat at August 06, 2015 03:35 PM (JgC5a)
563
Brian Dennehy's a fine actor, but he's also a valor thief. Lied for many years about being a Vietnam combat vet. He was a Marine all right, but he got out in 1963 before Marines ever set foot in Vietnam. Fuck that lying asshole.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 03:35 PM (kQfqk)
564
So, you're saying I need a trim?
Posted by: The Honey Badger on Donald Trump's head at August 06, 2015 03:35 PM (2l5vw)
565
*wanders in*
https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob/status/629368011741360128
*wanders out*
AHAHAHAHAH!
*wanders in*
https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob/status/629368011741360128
*wanders out*
AHAHAHAHAH!
Posted by: Bandersnatch, team Lefty and Scamp at August 06, 2015 03:36 PM (JtwS4)
566
I think the conditions now are worse than when Carter went up against Reagan.
Thus an even bigger celebrity will be required to step in and restore balance.
None of the candidates so far on either side has the presence of Trump.
Thus an even bigger celebrity will be required to step in and restore balance.
None of the candidates so far on either side has the presence of Trump.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 03:36 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 06, 2015 03:36 PM (ktt8p)
568
OT, Monica Crowley (Fox commentator) says that there is no way that the FBI would be conducting a criminal investigation of Hillary!
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I think that goes without saying.
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I think that goes without saying.
Posted by: SH at August 06, 2015 03:36 PM (gmeXX)
569
Jeb still thinks its 1992 and he can run as if it is 1992. That is his problem.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 06, 2015 02:38 PM (3ZtZW)
Well you know what they say: It's 1992 somewhere.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 06, 2015 02:38 PM (3ZtZW)
Well you know what they say: It's 1992 somewhere.
Posted by: Jebbie Buffet at August 06, 2015 03:36 PM (D5hxK)
570
One more bitch to add to Ace's excellent list of rants: lately, every time I talk to a GOP loyalist and tell them that I will never, ever vote for another Bush, they always say (smugly or in panic, it amounts to the same thing) What about SOCTUS?!?!?! What about judges?!?!"
Fuck you. Who appointed John Roberts? Who appointed Souter? How much worse can it get? These process-oriented 'good government', don't rock the fucking boat Republicans are the absolute worst! I'd rather have Hillary appoint a judge I hate than to have Jeb appoint a judge who will break my fucking cold cynical heart.
Fuck you. Who appointed John Roberts? Who appointed Souter? How much worse can it get? These process-oriented 'good government', don't rock the fucking boat Republicans are the absolute worst! I'd rather have Hillary appoint a judge I hate than to have Jeb appoint a judge who will break my fucking cold cynical heart.
Posted by: MTF at August 06, 2015 03:37 PM (LISuA)
571
When you are weak this sort of shut ramps up
Posted by: ThunderB
America voted for that shit. Twice.
Watch how they don't care.
Posted by: ThunderB
America voted for that shit. Twice.
Watch how they don't care.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 06, 2015 03:38 PM (ZCFje)
572
"One of the great actors in "Breaking Away" aside from Brian Dennehy- as Indiana Univesity., of course was the actor who played the father. I don't know what else I've seen him in but the look at the end of the film as he watches his son with the French girl was priceless."
Played the father in Sixteen Candles. Good actor.
"One of the great actors in "Breaking Away" aside from Brian Dennehy- as Indiana Univesity., of course was the actor who played the father. I don't know what else I've seen him in but the look at the end of the film as he watches his son with the French girl was priceless."
Played the father in Sixteen Candles. Good actor.
Posted by: Benji Carver at August 06, 2015 03:38 PM (OD2ni)
573
"...it is the candidate's job to inspire the voter. It is not the voter's job to drag the terrible candidate's sorry ass across the finish line..."
So true.
Lie to us. Blow some fucking sunshine up our skirts. Paint a picture of a gleaming city on a hill and make us believe it.
A lot of people have walked into bullets for less.
Leave the measured statements at the door and rock the rafters with a conservative wet dream.
So true.
Lie to us. Blow some fucking sunshine up our skirts. Paint a picture of a gleaming city on a hill and make us believe it.
A lot of people have walked into bullets for less.
Leave the measured statements at the door and rock the rafters with a conservative wet dream.
Posted by: jwest at August 06, 2015 03:38 PM (P/xrJ)
574
Look you guys! The debate transcript has leaked!
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/06/first-republican-debate-transcript-revealed-early/
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/06/first-republican-debate-transcript-revealed-early/
Posted by: alexthechick - Team Joker Money Pile Being Hit By SMOD at August 06, 2015 03:39 PM (mf5HN)
575
"...the presence of Trump."
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 03:36 PM (x3GpS)
I believe you're referring to Trump's Hair; i.e., '...the presence of Trump's Hair'.
Trump and Trump's Hair are two distinct entities.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 03:36 PM (x3GpS)
I believe you're referring to Trump's Hair; i.e., '...the presence of Trump's Hair'.
Trump and Trump's Hair are two distinct entities.
Posted by: troyriser at August 06, 2015 03:39 PM (XHR9b)
576
Because we are Americans, and as such are denied the option of failure.
Posted by: irongrampa at August 06, 2015 03:34 PM (jeCnD)
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Blah blah blah blah blah......
Posted by: irongrampa at August 06, 2015 03:34 PM (jeCnD)
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Blah blah blah blah blah......
Posted by: The Egyptians, The Romans, The Persians, The Greeks, & The British Empire at August 06, 2015 03:39 PM (8XRCm)
577
Jeb wont get nominated, by the way. He can't get out of his own way.
Rubio will be the VEEP nominee, at a minimum (because Florida is an absolute must win state) or maybe Kasich (same reason, except Ohio) and the top of the ticket is up for grabs. But, Jeb is as gone as he can be.
Rubio will be the VEEP nominee, at a minimum (because Florida is an absolute must win state) or maybe Kasich (same reason, except Ohio) and the top of the ticket is up for grabs. But, Jeb is as gone as he can be.
Posted by: MTF at August 06, 2015 03:40 PM (LISuA)
578
Trump, Trump's Hair, and Trump's Suit are three distinct entities.
Posted by: eleven at August 06, 2015 03:41 PM (Fety7)
579
Rubio will be the VEEP nominee, at a minimum (because Florida is an absolute must win state) or maybe Kasich (same reason, except Ohio) and the top of the ticket is up for grabs. But, Jeb is as gone as he can be.
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Trump / Palin
Bring it.
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Trump / Palin
Bring it.
Posted by: SH at August 06, 2015 03:41 PM (gmeXX)
580
"....we spend one trillion per year on women's health."
*
Bring in the leeches and reintroduce bloodletting.
Problem solved.
*
Bring in the leeches and reintroduce bloodletting.
Problem solved.
Posted by: dananjcon at August 06, 2015 03:41 PM (NpXoL)
581
Nood hacking, comrade.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 06, 2015 03:41 PM (kivUY)
582
OT, Monica Crowley (Fox commentator) says that there is no way that the FBI would be conducting a criminal investigation of Hillary!
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They will if I fucking tell them to.
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They will if I fucking tell them to.
Posted by: Valerie "The Ratface" Jarrett at August 06, 2015 03:41 PM (8XRCm)
583
522
Pentagon cyber attack being called the most sophisticated cyber breech in U.S. History
Posted by: ThunderB
Did they turn over the admin username and password to a Chicom spy in South America like OPM?
Pentagon cyber attack being called the most sophisticated cyber breech in U.S. History
Posted by: ThunderB
Did they turn over the admin username and password to a Chicom spy in South America like OPM?
Posted by: some random meathead at August 06, 2015 03:42 PM (Yrjee)
584
I'll ask again on the gnu'd
Posted by: some random meathead at August 06, 2015 03:43 PM (Yrjee)
585
But, this goes back to a point I repeatedly make here and at other conservative sites - the GOP is not a conservative party.
Yeah, I keep saying Reagan was a RINO, not McCain. McCain IS the Republican party.
Don't tell me he wasn't instrumental in describing his policies to his who ever (if anyone) wrote the book with.
I think he has a crack team of people coming up with all that and he goes and sells it.
Yeah, I keep saying Reagan was a RINO, not McCain. McCain IS the Republican party.
Don't tell me he wasn't instrumental in describing his policies to his who ever (if anyone) wrote the book with.
I think he has a crack team of people coming up with all that and he goes and sells it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 03:43 PM (39g3+)
586
Tonight America is watching for the candidate who can best articulate their vision of amnesty and tax cuts for the rich.
Posted by: GOP sources say... at August 06, 2015 03:43 PM (Ui7Rt)
587
Here's the thing about the Court, though - Roberts may be a major disappointment because of FailureCare, but you could do worse. Much, much worse, actually.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 03:43 PM (kQfqk)
588
Reagan said, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me." That's where many of us are with the Republican Party now.
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at August 06, 2015 03:45 PM (wLLbf)
589
It's why he started wearing the ball caps.
His hair was taking over the stage.
Remember he said there would be a new hair style for his Presidency?
I think he may "unveil" it at the debate.
Special weave, wig or Hair Care for Men. Who knows.
All hail the Hair. Long live the Hair.
His hair was taking over the stage.
Remember he said there would be a new hair style for his Presidency?
I think he may "unveil" it at the debate.
Special weave, wig or Hair Care for Men. Who knows.
All hail the Hair. Long live the Hair.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 03:47 PM (x3GpS)
590
Roberts may be a major disappointment because of FailureCare, but you could do worse.
He's been all wrong or part of a pointless minority on every single major important case. Every one.
He's been all wrong or part of a pointless minority on every single major important case. Every one.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 03:48 PM (39g3+)
591
554 Jeb's the slow one.
Ponder that.
- Barbara Bush -
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 03:30 PM (x3GpS)
George W. was likeable and accessible as a human. I couldn't stand his presidency and his dry-drunk blindness to the Left, but he was a sincerely decent fellow. I remember watching a C-SPAN telecast as he was mingling with the troops and their families. You could see he felt for them and loved kibitzing with them.
Jeb is a prick.
Ponder that.
- Barbara Bush -
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 03:30 PM (x3GpS)
George W. was likeable and accessible as a human. I couldn't stand his presidency and his dry-drunk blindness to the Left, but he was a sincerely decent fellow. I remember watching a C-SPAN telecast as he was mingling with the troops and their families. You could see he felt for them and loved kibitzing with them.
Jeb is a prick.
Posted by: rrpjr at August 06, 2015 03:48 PM (s/yC1)
592
Has the Trump Debate Drinking Game list already been published? If not, submitted for your consideration:
--the people, they love me
--America great again
--I've been fortunate
--negotiation
--some very smart people
--let me remind you
--I couldn't make this up
--deals/making deals/a bad deal
--he/she is a dear friend/is a great person
--Yuge
--golf course(s)
--hotel(s)
--the best
--the people, they love me
--America great again
--I've been fortunate
--negotiation
--some very smart people
--let me remind you
--I couldn't make this up
--deals/making deals/a bad deal
--he/she is a dear friend/is a great person
--Yuge
--golf course(s)
--hotel(s)
--the best
Posted by: General Zod at August 06, 2015 03:49 PM (Bdeb0)
593
The debate script leaked to AtC (comment #574) had me laughing, hard.
Except I just realized it could really be happening.
Except I just realized it could really be happening.
Posted by: MTF at August 06, 2015 03:49 PM (LISuA)
594
The reason the Trump gaffes aren't getting traction is the MSM wants Trump in, so they'll embargo negative Trump coverage for as long as possible, and then dump continuous negative coverage once he's the Republican nominee. As far as they're concerned, the longer Trump disrupts the Republican primary, the better.
Posted by: Grimaldi at August 06, 2015 03:49 PM (AMVFi)
595
587
Here's the thing about the Court, though - Roberts may be a major
disappointment because of FailureCare, but you could do worse. Much,
much worse, actually.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 03:43 PM (kQfqk)
If you keep voting GOP because you think SCOTUS is going to save the nation . . . I don't know what to tell you.
It is highly unlikely that any future judges will stand up to the ever increasing Federal behemoth. the chance was to stop Obamacare. With healthcare essentially nationalized, congress can regulate anything because everything is linked to "healthcare".
So, arguing that we must vote for the far-left GOP because of SCOTUS is essentially arguing to open the barn doors after a fire burnt it to the ground.
1 - we can't depend any judge will remain conservative once appointed (judges are people too and don't want to be hated by the world - very few people have the kind of character of Thomas and Scalie to take the brutal constant beating they get from the media/hollywood, etc.).
2 - it doesn't matter anyway. What is SCOTUS going to do? Is it going to reduce the size of gov't? Reduce spending? Do better at national security and foreign affairs?
If we are depending on SCOTUS to win our fights, we've already lost. That worked for the left because leftist judges have no shame. But conservative judges are not going to legislate from the bench the way leftists judges do. It just isn't going to happen, even if we could count on judges remaining conservative.
Here's the thing about the Court, though - Roberts may be a major
disappointment because of FailureCare, but you could do worse. Much,
much worse, actually.
Posted by: radar at August 06, 2015 03:43 PM (kQfqk)
If you keep voting GOP because you think SCOTUS is going to save the nation . . . I don't know what to tell you.
It is highly unlikely that any future judges will stand up to the ever increasing Federal behemoth. the chance was to stop Obamacare. With healthcare essentially nationalized, congress can regulate anything because everything is linked to "healthcare".
So, arguing that we must vote for the far-left GOP because of SCOTUS is essentially arguing to open the barn doors after a fire burnt it to the ground.
1 - we can't depend any judge will remain conservative once appointed (judges are people too and don't want to be hated by the world - very few people have the kind of character of Thomas and Scalie to take the brutal constant beating they get from the media/hollywood, etc.).
2 - it doesn't matter anyway. What is SCOTUS going to do? Is it going to reduce the size of gov't? Reduce spending? Do better at national security and foreign affairs?
If we are depending on SCOTUS to win our fights, we've already lost. That worked for the left because leftist judges have no shame. But conservative judges are not going to legislate from the bench the way leftists judges do. It just isn't going to happen, even if we could count on judges remaining conservative.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 06, 2015 03:50 PM (3ZtZW)
596
594
The reason the Trump gaffes aren't getting traction is the MSM wants
Trump in, so they'll embargo negative Trump coverage for as long as
possible, and then dump continuous negative coverage once he's the
Republican nominee. As far as they're concerned, the longer Trump
disrupts the Republican primary, the better.
Posted by: Grimaldi at August 06, 2015 03:49 PM (AMVFi)
while I don't entirely disagree, I think it is also because some people can get away with gaffes. I think Trump is that type of person. The gaffes fit his media image, which most people already know and accept. So, it isn't off-putting to people when he gaffes, because people already feel like they know him and already have an opinion of him.
When someone is running for president that is not a huge celebrity, most people don't know them and don't have an opinion of them, so gaffes matter. Not so when you are already a celebrity.
The reason the Trump gaffes aren't getting traction is the MSM wants
Trump in, so they'll embargo negative Trump coverage for as long as
possible, and then dump continuous negative coverage once he's the
Republican nominee. As far as they're concerned, the longer Trump
disrupts the Republican primary, the better.
Posted by: Grimaldi at August 06, 2015 03:49 PM (AMVFi)
while I don't entirely disagree, I think it is also because some people can get away with gaffes. I think Trump is that type of person. The gaffes fit his media image, which most people already know and accept. So, it isn't off-putting to people when he gaffes, because people already feel like they know him and already have an opinion of him.
When someone is running for president that is not a huge celebrity, most people don't know them and don't have an opinion of them, so gaffes matter. Not so when you are already a celebrity.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 06, 2015 03:53 PM (3ZtZW)
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The reason the Trump gaffes aren't getting traction is the MSM wants Trump in
Correct. Donald Trump hasn't discovered some secret way to get media attention and get his word out. The media wants him out there because they think he's damaging to the Republican party. You notice his statements aren't getting as much coverage lately, especially after those heavily tilted polls came out? They're worried they created a monster.
Correct. Donald Trump hasn't discovered some secret way to get media attention and get his word out. The media wants him out there because they think he's damaging to the Republican party. You notice his statements aren't getting as much coverage lately, especially after those heavily tilted polls came out? They're worried they created a monster.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2015 03:56 PM (39g3+)
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I'm not sure I agree that a media embargo on Trump's gaffes is intentional. Depicting the poll-proven leader of the GOP pack as a moron even more thoroughly discredits those candidates behind him who can't manage to best him, and depicts that poll leader as the champion of a prole-mob of "mouth-breathing Republicons." The corollary is that only by voting for Dems is the nation inoculated against the Palin-Duck Dynasty-Trump-guns/bibles strain.
Posted by: General Zod at August 06, 2015 03:59 PM (Bdeb0)
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You guys are completely screwed. Mitt Romney is the only electable candidate and he's not even in the race because a bunch of angry maniacs would rather vote for someone who shares their obsession with impotent rage than someone who can actually get elected, like Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 06, 2015 03:59 PM (TULs6)
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If it's Trump/Palin, you can forget about it. No way the RINOs are derailing that.
Posted by: rrpjr at August 06, 2015 04:02 PM (s/yC1)
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Posted by: Not Mitt Romney
Wow. It's like one of those Japanese soldiers that held out in the jungle for 40 years.
Wow. It's like one of those Japanese soldiers that held out in the jungle for 40 years.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 06, 2015 04:05 PM (evdj2)
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". . . and give those nymphs some hooters."
Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 06, 2015 04:06 PM (3ZtZW)
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Much as I will hate the Hillary presidency, I will love even more the complete and total destruction of the national GOP as it is currently constituted. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Posted by: physics geek at August 06, 2015 04:07 PM (MT22W)
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Hair to the throne.
Posted by: General Zod at August 06, 2015 04:09 PM (Bdeb0)
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Hey !!! Easy now ...
... saw a few ill-tempered comments upthread, and wanted to set the record straight. A little hero worship is TOTALLY OK, regardless of age or ewok status.
... saw a few ill-tempered comments upthread, and wanted to set the record straight. A little hero worship is TOTALLY OK, regardless of age or ewok status.
Posted by: Mike Flynn at August 06, 2015 04:14 PM (rwVFm)
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They're only gaffes if YOU think they are gaffes.
Gaffes are gaffes because the person saying them shows that it was a gaffe by either hemming and hawing about them when asked or apologizes and pisses their pants. (typical GOPe response)
If you don't apologize or if you double down, then it's on the media to declare it a gaffe but you have already refuted that.
If you agree when they call it a gaffe, then it becomes one.
It's like Russian Roulette. You pulled the trigger.
Gaffes are gaffes because the person saying them shows that it was a gaffe by either hemming and hawing about them when asked or apologizes and pisses their pants. (typical GOPe response)
If you don't apologize or if you double down, then it's on the media to declare it a gaffe but you have already refuted that.
If you agree when they call it a gaffe, then it becomes one.
It's like Russian Roulette. You pulled the trigger.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 06, 2015 04:18 PM (x3GpS)
607
My best friend who lives with me, just left on an 18 day Vermont vacation. He told me he was going to call me tonight after the debate I told him I don't plan to watch either of them.
Jeb! Should apologize to Trump.
Jeb! Should apologize to Trump.
Posted by: Carol at August 06, 2015 04:28 PM (sj3Ax)
608
Lorenzo Lamas changed his last name to Lorenzo Lamas-Craig, ie. he appended his wife's last name to his own. I'd credit Paolo would have more balls than that. Lorenzo now appears to be about as macho as Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, or Sheila Jackson-Lee.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 06, 2015 04:30 PM (E5UB0)
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I'm going back to rose garden.
I am sure that the comments on here are funny I will read tonight!Are we live blogging debate?
I am sure that the comments on here are funny I will read tonight!Are we live blogging debate?
Posted by: Carol at August 06, 2015 04:31 PM (sj3Ax)
610
Mitt Romney is the only electable candidate and he's not even in the race because a bunch of angry maniacs would rather vote for someone who shares their obsession with impotent rage than someone who can actually get elected, like Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 06, 2015 03:59 PM (TULs6)
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One of the signs of the GOPe concern troll (like Begonia) is that they continually talk in generalities (obsession, impotent rage, etc.) instead of actually defending all the specific ways the GOPe has sold us out and betrayed their promises.
This is because at this point what the GOPe has done is indefensible. And why these trolls are merely being annoying.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 06, 2015 03:59 PM (TULs6)
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One of the signs of the GOPe concern troll (like Begonia) is that they continually talk in generalities (obsession, impotent rage, etc.) instead of actually defending all the specific ways the GOPe has sold us out and betrayed their promises.
This is because at this point what the GOPe has done is indefensible. And why these trolls are merely being annoying.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 06, 2015 04:34 PM (E5UB0)
611
making Bush the nominee will guarantee the haggard queen will win and split the Republican party.
I have never seen such animosity and just disgust directed as at Bush at this stage in the race.
Many R's, like Walker, Cruz, Perry, Paul and even Rubio have battled the Obama/leftist machine and/or offered alternatives. I'd rather vote for Kasich anyday if I am going to get go along/get along establishment R.
I have never seen such animosity and just disgust directed as at Bush at this stage in the race.
Many R's, like Walker, Cruz, Perry, Paul and even Rubio have battled the Obama/leftist machine and/or offered alternatives. I'd rather vote for Kasich anyday if I am going to get go along/get along establishment R.
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