Chris Cuomo's Demostrable, Inarguable Case of Progressive Bias

Chris Cuomo has a textbook case of bias.

Previously, he's dismissed speculating about possible terrorist involvement in murders claiming "no evidence" had yet been adduced to suggest that.

So he claimed, categorically, that it was improper to speculate about terrorist motive.

However, in the Amtrak case, without any evidence for it (and indeed mounting evidence against it) he gladly floats the speculation that allegedly low infrastructure spending was responsible for the derailment.

This is, as I say, a textbook form of bias, or, I should say, a textbook case of partisan behavior.

One important rule in any competition is this: What happens in ambiguous situations? I mean things like tie scores, but I also mean things like "What happens when replay review cannot conclusively establish what happened?"

Do you go with the original ruling, even if the replay suggests that's wrong (while not conclusively demonstrating that)?

This "Rule of the Gray Areas" can determine the course of games, seasons, championships.

And political contests and political debates.

After all, if a party, a movement, a political philosophy is granted the "rule" that any and all ambiguous cases should be resolved in our favor -- well. That's a pretty huge concession.

Because most such questions are never truly "resolved," ever.

It is a frequent source of contention in political fights as to what the posture of the American voters should be towards an issue in the light of a lack of conclusive evidence.

In the climate change debate, climate zealots sometimes deign to note that they are not absolutely certain in their predictions -- and confess they maybe, sometimes, made an error here or there, or overstated a finding.

Nevertheless, they urge that the threat is simply too grave to do anything but begin spending tens of trillions of American dollars per year to forestall the alleged problem.

What they're contesting is that, in the ambiguous case of arguable evidence, all doubts should nevertheless be resolved in their favor.

That is -- they want to win on a win -- obviously; everyone wants that -- but they also demand they be credited with a win on a Tie.

Once you are aware of this, you see this everywhere.

Chris Cuomo is, pretty obviously, an active and unapologetic partisan. Like any partisan in any contest, he is a Special Pleader for special considerations and special rules to favor his team. He's an angle-shooter -- and he also wants the rules written to explicitly grant his team the edge.

(An angle shooter is one who games the rules of a game to just go up to the line of cheating, and/or over that line, but usually in a "safe" sort of way where he could claim "he just didn't understand the rules." For example, string raises -- "I see your 200 and then raise you another 200" -- are illegal, because the person so raising can look to see if his opponent's face has given anything away with the "see your" part of his bet, and then, based on that, make the decision whether or not to go on with the raise. Experienced poker players know this and don't do it. Experienced Angle Shooters know it's illegal but do it anyway; they have the plan to say "Oh I'm sorry, we permit this in my Home Game, it's just fun," when challenged on it.)

In all cases, he argues that the Left's ideological preference should win out, as an epistemological rule, in ambiguous cases. In situations where we just don't know enough to know anything, he presses for the heuristic that the Leftist take should be the default, acceptable take, and all deviations from this ruled out-of-bounds and inappropriate.

He's a partisan, and a nasty, grubby, rules-lawyering sort of one, the sort of progressive partisan always arguing that in any dispute that can't be resolved to everyone's satisfaction, He Wins, because, obviously, he's on the side of the angels.

The most insidious thing about these leftist heuristics is that they are designed to be invisible to dumb people. Maybe I shouldn't say dumb people -- I should say people who do not think deeply or sharply about philosophy and society.

Leftism is crafted specifically to appeal to such persons, who are not only a majority but a dominant majority in society.

Leftism is not thinking -- It is a permission to not think, granted to those who dislike thinking.

It is pret-a-penser, "ready to think," "off the rack thinking" in the French expression.

If Chris Cuomo was willing to hurt his brain a little, he might question why he "knows" it (without knowing why or how he knows it) that it's racist and out of bounds to speculate about a terrorist motive after an apparent terrorist attack, and yet just plain old common sense to speculate that Republican Budget Cuts are responsible for a train derailment.

If thinking were pleasurable to him, rather than slightly unpleasant, he might realize that his "objective rules" are not objective and certainly not rules -- they are, rather, politically-constructed Edge Plays for partisan gamesters.

But he doesn't like thinking, and those who have developed Leftism understand this about him (and most people). They know that people will just uncritically accept a claim if you get enough people to parrot it.

So Chris Cuomo thinks he knows why some speculations (those which Trigger the left) are out of bounds, and why some speculations (those which give the left Jazz Fingers) are acceptable.

He does not know how or why he knows this, or from whom he learned it, and will become visibly agitated, even angry, if you press him on that point.

But he knows the rule that his leftist Thought Designers have fashioned for him, and that rule permits him to think less, and he is content.

Corrected: I think I meant "Angle Shooter" rather than "Edge Player." I think may sharps would be Edge Players (everyone wants to play with an edge).

But it's the Angle Shooters who are the Edge Players who cross the line into cheating.

I think the term "Angle Shooter" derives from sitting in such a way to be able to glimpse a down card as its laid on the table, but I'm not sure.

I'm not a professional gambler; I just know one. My terminology is second-hand.

Posted by: Ace at 02:35 PM

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1 Douche.

Posted by: NCKate at May 13, 2015 02:36 PM (i1fxY)

2 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 13, 2015 02:37 PM (kff5f)

3 MFM Delenda Est.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 13, 2015 02:37 PM (kff5f)

4 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 13, 2015 02:38 PM (kff5f)

5 It's groupthink all the way down.

Posted by: NCKate at May 13, 2015 02:38 PM (i1fxY)

6 "pret-a-penser"

bon mot! bon mot!

Posted by: Feh at May 13, 2015 02:38 PM (F0+3w)

7 Who? Is he related to Perry Cuomo?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 02:40 PM (VAsIq)

8 I find it a bit incongruous to apply words like epistomology and heuristics to Lefties. Pissiness, hissy fits, and diapers-in-a-twist seem more apropos.

Posted by: pep at May 13, 2015 02:40 PM (GMG6W)

9
pret-a-declarer

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2015 02:40 PM (St6BJ)

10 Don't let him put his jazz fingers in you.

Posted by: wooga at May 13, 2015 02:40 PM (QcJ+D)

11
Over-determined, ace. Cuomo, and most of his ilk, are 1) not that bright 2) quite ignorant and unworldly 3) full to the brim of ridiculous ideas and non-facts. They create the idiot marinade in which the whole country soaks, and soak in it themselves. Thus, the idiocy of the whole situation.

That "infrastructure spending!" could even arise as a (ridiculous) "question" because of a train derailment is artifact #4,358 demonstrating how unserious and dumbed-down a culture we now have.

But I do like that leftism as permission not to think line. Very nice.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 13, 2015 02:41 PM (afQnV)

12 He does not know how or why he knows this, or from whom he learned it, and will become visibly agitated, even angry, if you press him on that point.

Come now, ace. I think we all know who taught him this.

CHAPLINSKY!!!!!!!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at May 13, 2015 02:41 PM (4df7R)

13 Just don't ask Drew whether the fact that police homicides has dramatically increased is in due to Obama's increased rhetoric.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 02:41 PM (gmeXX)

14 7 Who? Is he related to Perry Cuomo?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 02:40 PM (VAsIq)

Joshua N'Cuomo. Ran against Mugabe in '80. Lost.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2015 02:41 PM (St6BJ)

15 It's in the Constitution, wingnuts, because...shut up!! /s

Posted by: brevity at May 13, 2015 02:41 PM (k1TbL)

16 epistemology

Posted by: pep at May 13, 2015 02:42 PM (GMG6W)

17 @11 I like "idiot marinade". Glad I coined it.

Posted by: pep at May 13, 2015 02:43 PM (GMG6W)

18 The media has never tried to hide their partisan leaning.

They've been as in-your-face about where there hearts and minds lay for my entire 45+ years on this planet.

And yet, enough of them still state that they are impartial arbiters of truth that people still write about blatant examples of partisanship in the media. As if any more proof is needed at this stage.

Posted by: CozMark at May 13, 2015 02:43 PM (CbGSW)

19
This is an unconscious or subconscious reason the GOP does what it does and to a greater extent how we are manipulated by a minority of people.

Homo marriage, global warming, white privilege, racism, you name it.

They establish a default position that is the norm and anyone who goes the other way or refuses to "compromise" in going their way is wrong/evil etc.

And so it goes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2015 02:43 PM (St6BJ)

20 Over-determined, ace. Cuomo, and most of his ilk, are 1) not that bright 2) quite ignorant and unworldly 3) full to the brim of ridiculous ideas and non-facts.

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I'd also add that they have this internal struggle about the guilt they have regarding their station in life and how to overcome that guilt.

Rather than simply going to confession, we get this nonsense.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 02:43 PM (gmeXX)

21 Let's see. Let's hire a guy who's father was a highly-partisan Democrat governor, and who's brother is the current, sitting Democrat governor of New York, and pretend that he's going to be a non-partial "journalist." Yeah.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 13, 2015 02:43 PM (MF70y)

22 The Imperious data tells me this accident was due to lack of funding

Posted by: Crissy C at May 13, 2015 02:44 PM (Mxs5H)

23 I like "idiot marinade". Glad I coined it.

Posted by: pep

But we've been soaking in it for years.

Posted by: SJW at May 13, 2015 02:44 PM (VAsIq)

24
JJ - nice one! ZAPU and ZANU - I always like the Zimbabwean political party acronyms, quite snazzy.

SH - I thought the point that Drew made was that, in fact, police KIAs were in fact not outside their longer-term average? Aside from which, you don't have to document a clear causation relationship to know that the outrageous and irresponsible behavior and rhetoric from the race-baiters atop the national govt. has been, well,outrageous and irresponsible.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 13, 2015 02:44 PM (afQnV)

25
With $22 trillion since 1965, everyone in the country should have 200 miles of their own private railroad track, bought and paid for.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2015 02:44 PM (St6BJ)

26 24 Posted by: rhomboid at May 13, 2015 02:44 PM (afQnV)

A friend's dad never always pronounced Cuomo as Como. So Mario was the most relaxed governor and Joshua was the most relaxed general/dictator.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2015 02:45 PM (St6BJ)

27 The amazing thing about progressive-speak is that, at no time, does any of it make a "world view." The parts of it cannot exist at the same time, but somehow this does not bother your average progressive.

Kids are obese, so we need a program to slim them down, but we also need programs to feed the hungry because kids are starving. QED.

Wha?

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 13, 2015 02:45 PM (+YMhA)

28 SH - I thought the point that Drew made was that, in fact, police KIAs were in fact not outside their longer-term average? Aside from which, you don't have to document a clear causation relationship to know that the outrageous and irresponsible behavior and rhetoric from the race-baiters atop the national govt. has been, well,outrageous and irresponsible.

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I was just making a comment on the fact that liberals will use whatever they can to advance their agenda, while conservatives will not (or at least can expect other conservatives to tell them where they are wrong).

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 02:46 PM (gmeXX)

29 So looks like ace lost a strip poker game with Lena Dunham.

Posted by: River Guide at May 13, 2015 02:46 PM (RJMhd)

30 SH - I thought the point that Drew made was that, in fact, police KIAs were in fact not outside their longer-term average?

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Huh. I thought the point he made was if you asked him questions he'd get pissy.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 02:46 PM (VAsIq)

31 You know what's really scary? I truly believe that when liberal reporters and commentators start blaming the GOP--or taking an angle that could lead to that conclusion-- for anything bad that happens, it's totally reflexive. I don't think they get together and co-ordinate anything. They don't have to--they are all the same.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 13, 2015 02:47 PM (MF70y)

32
9/11 - no evidence of terrorism

water line break - probably terrorism

- Chris Cuomo

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 13, 2015 02:48 PM (ODxAs)

33 it's totally reflexive. I don't think they get together and co-ordinate anything. They don't have to--they are all the same.

It's really creepy, isn't it?

Posted by: Stepford wives at May 13, 2015 02:48 PM (GMG6W)

34 The left IS always right. It's in The Constitution. Read it sometime.

Posted by: Chris "Constitutional Scholar" Cuomo at May 13, 2015 02:48 PM (TV9BR)

35 You know what's really scary?

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The picture of Hillary from yesterday.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 02:48 PM (VAsIq)

36 On climate change, its worse...

Because most of 'our' side has acknowledged that it EXISTS... thus ceding the argument before it even starts.

same with Islamophobia... by even acknowledging is exists at all, it then becomes a matter of opinion as to whether it pertains to a specific case... and they will ALWAYS apply that standard...

Same with College Rape... where they make a HUGE problem out of a small problem... because suddenly EVERYTHING is Rape...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 13, 2015 02:48 PM (qh617)

37 33
it's totally reflexive. I don't think they get together and co-ordinate anything. They don't have to--they are all the same.

It's really creepy, isn't it?

Posted by: Stepford wives

You said it.

Posted by: Pod people at May 13, 2015 02:48 PM (GMG6W)

38 So what do the train cops give you on the speed limit?

East and midwest, for cars on the interstates and major highways, they'll give you maybe 8 or 9 mph. In Texas you better be only 5 over, 'cause they'll ticket you at 6 over.

So on a train, is it like 50?

But back to Cuomo. What kind of attack position can be made to defy this? I hear Rush going on at length, but Rush goes out to a very narrow market. Can FoxNews be made to strongly rebut and call out Cuomo on this?

Or are we just stuck with this bias and its consequences, forever?

Posted by: the littl shyning man at May 13, 2015 02:48 PM (U6f54)

39 You know what's really scary?

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The picture of Hillary from yesterday.

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Every picture of Hillary.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 02:49 PM (gmeXX)

40 Spot on analysis, Ace.

What I can't decide is if Chris Cuomo is an active member of the Party, or if he's simply a useful idiot.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 13, 2015 02:49 PM (kff5f)

41 I have, over the past 10 years or so, become quite comfortable with the label "hater." Apparently, to try to cleave unto the truth and understand how things work is to hate, so that label is a bit of a point of pride.

It's sort of like being called a bitch used to work. As a woman in a "man's profession", being called a bitch meant that I was actually getting work done, probably showing up one of the old farts and making a difference. It was a point of pride as well.

If putting one's male member into another's backside makes someone "gay" then language becomes an anything-goes proposition.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 13, 2015 02:49 PM (+YMhA)

42 33 it's totally reflexive. I don't think they get together and co-ordinate anything. They don't have to--they are all the same.

It's really creepy, isn't it?

Posted by: Stepford wives at May 13, 2015 02:48 PM (GMG6W)

Are you of the Body?

Posted by: Landru at May 13, 2015 02:49 PM (qh617)

43 Posted by: BB Wolf at May 13, 2015 02:48 PM (qh617)

This comment should come with a trigger warning.

Posted by: Arbiter of Snowflake Feelz at May 13, 2015 02:49 PM (VAsIq)

44 A friend's dad never always pronounced Cuomo as Como.

First lesson of Italian is...always, always get the vowels right.

For example, the difference between the words for "fig" and "pussy"...one vowel. Which could lead to an embarrassing situation in an Italian restaurant if you order a plate of ripe, red pussies.

Posted by: Citizen X at May 13, 2015 02:49 PM (7ObY1)

45 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 13, 2015 02:49 PM (kff5f)

Brother of NYC Governor Cuomo?

I'm going with "member of the party in good standing."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at May 13, 2015 02:50 PM (HDwDg)

46 We don't know what Coumo thinks, we only know what he says.

For someone with his job what he thinks is not important.

Posted by: eman at May 13, 2015 02:50 PM (a1JxR)

47 The GOP is outlawed in The Constitution. Read it sometime.

Posted by: Chris "Constitutional Scholar" Cuomo at May 13, 2015 02:51 PM (TV9BR)

48 In Texas you better be only 5 over, 'cause they'll ticket you at 6 over.

Only if you have Louisiana or New Mexico plates.

For natives, they give 7 - 9.

For Okies, they give 2. Under.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 13, 2015 02:51 PM (kff5f)

49 An Edge Player is one who games the rules of a game to just go up to the line of cheating, and/or over that line, but usually in a "safe" sort of way where he could claim "he just didn't understand the rules."

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I thought we were done with Patriot posts.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 02:51 PM (gmeXX)

50 Which could lead to an embarrassing situation in an Italian restaurant if you order a plate of ripe, red pussies.

Posted by: Citizen X

Or vice versa, at a brothel.

Posted by: Bill Clinton in Italy at May 13, 2015 02:52 PM (VAsIq)

51 Chris Cuomo is a modest little douchebag with a lot to be modest about.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 13, 2015 02:52 PM (wtvvX)

52 I guess the stimulus wasn't enough once Solyndra and all of the others were done.

We'll need to stimulize more.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 13, 2015 02:52 PM (hLRSq)

53 43 Posted by: BB Wolf at May 13, 2015 02:48 PM (qh617)

This comment should come with a trigger warning.

Posted by: Arbiter of Snowflake Feelz at May 13, 2015 02:49 PM (VAsIq)

My definition of trigger warning...

Stop, or I'll shoot....

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 13, 2015 02:52 PM (qh617)

54 Fen's Law explains all.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 13, 2015 02:53 PM (evdj2)

55 Oh, boy, look at all this money! What should we improve? Oh, hell, infinite raises for everybody!

Posted by: Company Awash in Stimulus Money at May 13, 2015 02:53 PM (VAsIq)

56 >>What they're contesting is that, in the ambiguous case of arguable evidence, all doubts should nevertheless be resolved in their favor.

Aaaand this is why every mass shooting is initially attributed to a Tea Party/cray-zee right-winger type. Bet a lot of LIVs have subconsciously learned that the Tea Party is "violent" even thought there is no actual body count. Meanwhile those "mostly peaceful" Ferguson and OWS protestors get a free pass.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2015 02:53 PM (2TN4k)

57 Being an Italian I generally give my Sicilian bros and signora the benefit, but this Wop is even more arrogant than his father. If that's possible.

Posted by: redenzo at May 13, 2015 02:53 PM (WCnJW)

58 I was stranded on the side of the road in NewMex for 3 hours once. Cars with NM plates flew past (hint: we had Texas plates).

Guess what the plates were on the truck that stopped to help us out and drive us 20 miles back and forth to get gas?

Posted by: CozMark at May 13, 2015 02:54 PM (CbGSW)

59 >>>For example, the difference between the words for "fig" and "pussy"...one vowel. Which could lead to an embarrassing situation in an Italian restaurant if you order a plate of ripe, red pussies.

oh no that would be terrible n stuff

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 13, 2015 02:54 PM (PA7DS)

60
48 In Texas you better be only 5 over, 'cause they'll ticket you at 6 over.

Only if you have Louisiana or New Mexico plates.

For natives, they give 7 - 9.

For Okies, they give 2. Under.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 13, 2015 02:51 PM (kff5f)

California.... 9 over you are OK... but with Vet plates you can usually get away with a couple more...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 13, 2015 02:54 PM (qh617)

61 "For example, the difference between the words for
"fig" and "pussy"...one vowel. Which could lead to an embarrassing
situation in an Italian restaurant if you order a plate of ripe, red
pussies.

Posted by: Citizen X at May 13, 2015 02:49 PM (7ObY1)"
HA! That's what Huma and I ordered at Carabba's Italian Grill for our anniversary dinner!

Posted by: Shrillary! Clintoon at May 13, 2015 02:54 PM (sCHw2)

62 Harfers gotta Harf. Especially when, like Chris Cuomo, they get paid to do it in public and their next best job offer is Mickey D's. Nit that Mickey D isn't a useful job or anything.

Posted by: MTF, I can see SMOD from my house at May 13, 2015 02:54 PM (LISuA)

63 A lady cop once ticketed me for going 36 in a 30 zone. At 5:00 in the morning (on my way to work) without another car anywhere in sight.

But she didn't shoot me, so I guess white privilege.

Posted by: Citizen X at May 13, 2015 02:54 PM (7ObY1)

64 Re: climate change. Did anyone else see Radley Balko affirmatively linking to the *Vox* piece "A libertarian makes the case for a carbon tax"?

Hey, Balko still works for Reason, right? The place where, um, "libertarians" voted about 50% or so for Obama in 2008? That explains a lot.

Posted by: physics geek at May 13, 2015 02:54 PM (MT22W)

65 57 Being an Italian I generally give my Sicilian bros and signora the benefit, but this Wop is even more arrogant than his father. If that's possible.
Posted by: redenzo at May 13, 2015 02:53 PM (WCnJW)

The mother's side of the family was completely mobbed up. It's why Mario never ran for prexy. Maybe that won't constrain Andrew.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2015 02:54 PM (St6BJ)

66 False

There are no republicans in NY

Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at May 13, 2015 02:55 PM (b3gbk)

67 I think it is just a game for the douches. After B.J. Clinton pulled the "I put it to my lips but didn't inhale" it was off to the races for the left to see who could tell the biggest lie.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at May 13, 2015 02:55 PM (TV9BR)

68 Meanwhile those "mostly peaceful" Ferguson and OWS protestors get a free pass.

Posted by: Lizzy

Oh, honey, they don't get a pass--they get our pity and gratitude.

Posted by: LIV at May 13, 2015 02:55 PM (VAsIq)

69 >>Fen's Law explains all.

And the Peter Principle for Cuomo's current position.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 13, 2015 02:55 PM (2TN4k)

70 Chris Cuomo is a legacy like Chelsea Clinton. That's all of the qualification you need to know.

Posted by: Fritz at May 13, 2015 02:55 PM (UzPAd)

71 29 So looks like ace lost a strip poker game with Lena Dunham.

And had to shave his back.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 02:56 PM (sWgE+)

72 Socialism prospers to the extent it's objectives are hidden. Conservatism prospers when it speaks plainly.

Posted by: Grump928(c) muses at May 13, 2015 02:56 PM (evdj2)

73 The Cuomo family is as vile as the Clintons.

Posted by: steevy at May 13, 2015 02:56 PM (mGBKM)

74 Guess what the plates were on the truck that stopped to help us out and drive us 20 miles back and forth to get gas?

Posted by: CozMark

453 UYKL?

Man, at least give us a hint!

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 02:56 PM (VAsIq)

75 CHAPLINSKY

Now you've done it. I can't stop dancing

Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at May 13, 2015 02:56 PM (b3gbk)

76 Obama has to be loving all of this shit. It is totally taking peoples eyes of the fact that the world is going to shit in a hand basket.

http://tinyurl.com/qafsnjl

Remember what happened the last time this happened?

and:

http://tinyurl.com/pzbrhgs

Plus all of the other shit that's getting ready to boil over.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 13, 2015 02:56 PM (BZAd3)

77 Posted by: physics geek at May 13, 2015 02:54 PM (MT22W)

Balko Defected to WaPo, probably because they pay better.

I'll say this, for the places I agree with Balko, has anyone asked him what to do when his plan doesn't work and chaos breaks out? Because I suspect he'd cower in the corner crying as people burned down his house.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at May 13, 2015 02:56 PM (HDwDg)

78 "if you order a plate of ripe, red pussies. "

The Hoo-Hoo Platter?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 13, 2015 02:57 PM (LA7Cm)

79 The mother's side of the family was completely mobbed up.

My dad's grandfather was an attorney for a very famous Don who I cannot name here. This Don was at Appalachin and everything. In fact, that was one of the times my great-grandpappy represented him.

But he was no Tom Hagen. He had thousands of clients over a career lasting 7 decades.

Posted by: Citizen X at May 13, 2015 02:57 PM (7ObY1)

80 Leftist/commie/liberal/islamofascists are not just 'across the aisle'. They are across the forward line of battle. I wish the republicans knew this. But, I suppose the republicans are the insider sleepers.

Posted by: Eromero at May 13, 2015 02:58 PM (go5uR)

81 --36 On climate change, its worse...
Because most of 'our' side has acknowledged that it EXISTS... thus ceding the argument before it even starts. --

Of course "climate change" exists. But the warmists have perverted the words to mean something else entirely.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at May 13, 2015 02:58 PM (SCcgT)

82 74 Guess what the plates were on the truck that stopped to help us out and drive us 20 miles back and forth to get gas?

Posted by: CozMark

453 UYKL?

Man, at least give us a hint!
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 02:56 PM (VAsIq)

___________________________

GUESS WHAT STATE THE PLATES WERE FROM! Literal people make me want to ram my head into a wall.

Posted by: CozMark at May 13, 2015 02:58 PM (CbGSW)

83 There are no republicans in NY

Well, there used to be ME.

Till I broke with the quisling GOPe.

Posted by: Citizen X at May 13, 2015 02:58 PM (7ObY1)

84 I'll say this, for the places I agree with Balko

I will grant you that his pieces on the over-militarization of the police are usually spot on. As for the rest? Let's just say that I think he's adding the wrong finishing letters after "liber" when describing himself.

Posted by: physics geek at May 13, 2015 02:58 PM (MT22W)

85 Here's the worst thing about this, though.

Most people are really, really stupid about world events. I have shown many people the evidence (for instance) available in the George Zimmerman trial and shown how Z was vindicated there.

The best I'll get from some of them is, "Well, we'll never know what really happened, and you have to admit racism is a problem..." (I get weird looks when I point out that, no, I don't have to admit that at all).

The same will apply here. In just a couple weeks it will be conclusively proven that something other than "infrastructure" is the problem. It won't matter. People will say, "Well, maybe so in that case, but you have to admit that our infrastructure is wearing out!"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 13, 2015 02:58 PM (kff5f)

86 We have decided to give double the amount of AMTRAK budget that our good friend Obama asked for.

Posted by: John Boehner & Mitch McConnell at May 13, 2015 02:58 PM (TV9BR)

87 The Hoo-Hoo Platter?

Extra tentacles please.

Posted by: Grump928(c) muses at May 13, 2015 02:59 PM (evdj2)

88 GUESS WHAT STATE THE PLATES WERE FROM! Literal people make me want to ram my head into a wall.

Posted by: CozMark

Hawaii?

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 02:59 PM (VAsIq)

89 What with the 'e' in 'GOPe'?

Posted by: CozMark at May 13, 2015 02:59 PM (CbGSW)

90
Meh,,, What difference, at this point, does it make?!?1!?!1?!/1/1/1?!???

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 13, 2015 02:59 PM (HSmrB)

91 What with the 'e' in 'GOPe'?

Posted by: CozMark at May 13, 2015 02:59 PM (CbGSW)

Establishment. It's meant-correctly-as a pejorative.

Posted by: physics geek at May 13, 2015 03:00 PM (MT22W)

92 Demostrable: adj.1. Capable of being demostrated or proved: demostrable truths.2.Not Obvious nor apparent: demostrable lies.

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at May 13, 2015 03:00 PM (sCHw2)

93 Hawaii?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson

_____________

You don't get to play anymore.

Posted by: CozMark at May 13, 2015 03:00 PM (CbGSW)

94 66 False

There are no republicans in NY
Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at May 13, 2015 02:55 PM (b3gbk)

We have plenty of Republicans. We have virtually ZERO conservatives.

See: Peter King

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2015 03:00 PM (St6BJ)

95 We have decided to give double the amount of AMTRAK budget that our good friend Obama asked for.

Posted by: John Boehner & Mitch McConnell

*giggles*

Posted by: Mitch McConnell, giggling at the love note from Barack at May 13, 2015 03:00 PM (VAsIq)

96
Actual plate I used to have-I did not request it. The state gave it to me.
357-FKR

Posted by: Ricky Bobby Amtrak Conductor at May 13, 2015 03:00 PM (1JqUE)

97 So what is this "infrastructure" spending going to be used for? Equipping curves with loudspeakers that shout, "Slow down, dumbass"?

Posted by: rickl at May 13, 2015 03:00 PM (zoehZ)

98 Off fake NASCAR sock

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 13, 2015 03:01 PM (1JqUE)

99 Shyning man

Speed is set by locality so around 50 is correct. High speed rail notwithstanding

Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at May 13, 2015 03:01 PM (b3gbk)

100 This is, as I say, a textbook form of bias, or, I should say, a textbook case of partisan behavior.

I prefer a "textbook case" of lying which is what every Democrat does.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 13, 2015 03:01 PM (wlDny)

101 Choo-Choos are good.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 13, 2015 03:02 PM (TV9BR)

102 Hawaii?

It's a helluva drive to the mainland on Interstate H-1.

Posted by: Grump928(c) muses at May 13, 2015 03:02 PM (evdj2)

103 79 Posted by: Citizen X at May 13, 2015 02:57 PM (7ObY1)

None of my beez-a-neese.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2015 03:02 PM (St6BJ)

104 pret-a-mensonge (ready to lie) applies to the entire Cuomo clan as well

Posted by: Joe Nobody at May 13, 2015 03:03 PM (aCgQh)

105 It's a helluva drive to the mainland on Interstate H-1.

Posted by: Grump928(c) muses

The detour that takes you over the Gaza Bridge is the worst!

Posted by: VOX at May 13, 2015 03:03 PM (VAsIq)

106
Off to Whole Paycheck.

BBL

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 13, 2015 03:03 PM (St6BJ)

107 In the climate change debate, climate zealots sometimes deign to note
that they are not absolutely certain in their predictions and confess
they maybe, sometimes, made an error here or there, or overstated a
finding.

Another textbook case of lying. This one constitutes fraud and they should be jailed.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 13, 2015 03:03 PM (wlDny)

108 lady cop once ticketed me for going 36 in a 30 zone. At 5:00 in the morning (on my way to work) without another car anywhere in sight.�

KENMORE ?

Posted by: Bigby's Cellphone Finger at May 13, 2015 03:03 PM (b3gbk)

109 >>It is pret-a-penser, "ready to think," "off the rack thinking" in the French expression

Add Water. Makes its own Sauce!

Posted by: Zombie Zappa at May 13, 2015 03:03 PM (S41VY)

110 Posted by: physics geek at May 13, 2015 02:58 PM (MT22W

Perhaps, but Balko never describes a plan for a riot other than "community policing."

Fuck that shit man. He stayed comfortable wherever he was, while 15 miles from me a 5 block stretch of road burned.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at May 13, 2015 03:04 PM (HDwDg)

111 There aren't enough Reststops on the road to Hawaii.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 13, 2015 03:04 PM (o68RC)

112 "102
Hawaii?

It's a helluva drive to the mainland on Interstate H-1."
----------------

In 126 the Jews blew up the main bridge to Alabama and H-1 didn't open up again until 2022.

Posted by: Matt Yglesias at May 13, 2015 03:04 PM (TV9BR)

113 I challenge you to a game of trivial pursuit.

Posted by: Chris Cuomo at May 13, 2015 03:05 PM (xkSSa)

114 Chris Cuomo is biased you say? Nonsense. Next you'll be telling me that George Stephanapolis is not a completely objective journalist.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at May 13, 2015 03:05 PM (3ZtZW)

115 >>My terminology, like my merkin, is second-hand

Posted by: Garrett at May 13, 2015 03:05 PM (S41VY)

116 Posted by: Citizen X at May 13, 2015 02:57 PM (7ObY1)

Montana, Falcone, Valenti, Mancuso

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:05 PM (sWgE+)

117 So looks like ace lost a strip poker game with Lena Dunham.

And had to shave his back.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 02:56 PM (sWgE+)

*SHUDDERS*

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 13, 2015 03:05 PM (hLRSq)

118 Is it really "leftist" as a special brand? It's more communist or fascist An it's been tried before. They game, obtrude, obfuscate and corrupt the system through propaganda and coercion of democratic process. They destroy, impugn and even murder any opposition. They're Pol Pot in a suit or posting on a blog. They're ultimately fanatics ans weakling who channel their energy into supporting cultist figures heading the destruction.

These people are also mostly weakling, idiots and possess a sub level of intelligence and reasoning skills. They simply corrupt language or media and proliferate their lies and sell it to the unknowing, dumb masses and acolytes.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 13, 2015 03:05 PM (GGCsk)

119
Perhaps, but Balko never describes a plan for a riot other than "community policing."

Fuck that shit man. He stayed comfortable wherever he was, while 15 miles from me a 5 block stretch of road burned.

Balko and his kind believe that under their plans there won't be any riot.

Because the rioters are all poor blighted souls oppressed by the evil militarized thug cops.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 13, 2015 03:05 PM (JuF6q)

120 So what is this "infrastructure" spending going to be used for?

Bribery, kickbacks, payoffs, and waste. Plus twenty years of funding both for environmental impact studies explaining why if construction ever starts it will cost three times as much as expected because it has to be redesigned to save some rodent AND funding for anti-human-progress groups to file lawsuits to stop the construction For Teh Planet.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 13, 2015 03:06 PM (ZKzrr)

121 I challenge you to a game of trivial pursuit.

Posted by: Chris Cuomo

I...think I'd better pass.

Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at May 13, 2015 03:06 PM (VAsIq)

122 I have a comprehensive epistemology at hand, in case anyone wants to know it. I know why I know. I know.

Posted by: Chris Cuomo at May 13, 2015 03:06 PM (xkSSa)

123 Its bad form but is it really cheating to look at cards if someone isn't careful holding them?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2015 03:06 PM (39g3+)

124 Shit, I do armchair speculation all the time trying to guess the answer to the question, and sometimes trying to guess the question based on questionable reports in an unreliable news media. It's like a game man. Like a game show on TV, guess the real reason the news media doesn't want you to know or guess what the news media is trying to make you think.

You mean we aren't supposed to play this game? Well hell, where is the fun in that.

Posted by: Barlow Dondabiter at May 13, 2015 03:07 PM (6vZvS)

125 >>>It is pret-a-penser, "ready to think," "off the rack thinking" in the French expression.
-----

What would be a good American expression for this? Because while those French translations work they can be interpreted the other way as well. You would need something that doesn't have any ambiguity in the phrase.

Fast food thinking? TV dinner thinking?

Posted by: Buzzion at May 13, 2015 03:07 PM (z/Ubi)

126 Hey, lighten up on Chris, so he screwed up the mortgage market and crashed the economy, and blames infrastructure for human failings, his girlfriend is getting her bewbies cut off - so he probably is not thinking straight. Infrastructure is probably Italian for Bewbies.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 13, 2015 03:07 PM (oDCMR)

127 O.K. so it's not in The Constitution. If you check case law, you'll see I'm correct and that the GOP is outlawed unless they vote like democrats.

Haters!

Posted by: Chris "Constitutional Scholar" Cuomo at May 13, 2015 03:08 PM (TV9BR)

128
I have a comprehensive epistemology at hand>>>

Isn't that what the Doc does to help the baby come out easier?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 13, 2015 03:08 PM (Mxs5H)

129 I heard those rumors (true) about Mario Cuomo years ago and it is indeed why he never ran for president. Not that he was mobbed up himself--but just the familial connection would have been enough at that time to deep-six his candidacy. Mario was very smart though. Too liberal and somewhat arrogant. But he was smart.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 13, 2015 03:09 PM (MF70y)

130 GUESS WHAT STATE THE PLATES WERE FROM! Literal people make me want to ram my head into a wall.

Posted by: CozMark

It was from Guam?

Was it one of those Aqua-Cars, because they float when the island gets all tippy-like.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 13, 2015 03:09 PM (hLRSq)

131 The Marshall Islands?

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 13, 2015 03:10 PM (o68RC)

132 Demostrable = French for "a pile of shit that appears smug".
Unless that's a typo.

Posted by: Daybrother at May 13, 2015 03:10 PM (/cfwA)

133 Montana, Falcone, Valenti, Mancuso

Cersi, The Mountain ...

Posted by: Grump928(c) muses at May 13, 2015 03:10 PM (evdj2)

134 That "infrastructure spending!" could even arise as a (ridiculous) "question" because of a train derailment is artifact #4,358 demonstrating how unserious and dumbed-down a culture we now have.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 13, 2015 02:41 PM (afQnV)
________

Leftist thought is parodied here in practically every thread. In fact, I frequently see comments poking fun at the Left only to later learn that these quips have become the Left's official talking points.

Show of hands: How many of us knew before actually knowing that "Republican budget cuts" were going to be blamed for the train crash?

Posted by: FireHorse at May 13, 2015 03:11 PM (64tBw)

135 That "infrastructure spending!" could even arise as a (ridiculous) "question" because of a train derailment is artifact #4,358 demonstrating how unserious and dumbed-down a culture we now have.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 13, 2015 02:41 PM (afQnV)
________

Leftist thought is parodied here in practically every thread. In fact, I frequently see comments poking fun at the Left only to later learn that these quips have become the Left's official talking points.

Show of hands: How many of us knew before actually knowing that "Republican budget cuts" were going to be blamed for the train crash?

Posted by: FireHorse at May 13, 2015 03:11 PM (64tBw)

136 I have to ask because I don't know... is train travel a thing in other parts of the country? Because, if you were to try to use it as a bat with which to smack your opponents, around here you would be laughed off the stage.

Train travel is a quaint, antiquated notion. So in essence, I would REALLY love to see the corridor types on the left try to use it nationally.

Make it their signature issue in the next election cycle. Let's see how that goes.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:11 PM (TOk1P)

137 Fast food thinking? TV dinner thinking?

Posted by: Buzzion

Starbucks Lockstep.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 03:11 PM (VAsIq)

138 I'm not a professional gambler

True -- if you lose consistently, then you don't make money at it, thus you are not a professional.

Most people who sit a Vegas slot machines 18 hours a day are habitual, constant, addicted gamblers -- but they are not professionals, because they always lose.

Posted by: zombie at May 13, 2015 03:12 PM (jBuUi)

139 Trigger warning:Cuomo's a mental transvestite.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 13, 2015 03:12 PM (GGCsk)

140 Texas. The plates were from Texas. New Mexicans don't like Texans.

Little known fact: Most of the population of New Mexico were probably born in Texas but had to leave because Texans wouldn't stop beating them up.

Posted by: CozMark at May 13, 2015 03:13 PM (CbGSW)

141 >>Montana, Falcone, Valenti, Mancuso

...somebody say, 'Columbo'!

Posted by: Beastie Boys at May 13, 2015 03:13 PM (S41VY)

142 Cuomo's brother is destroying NY State by corruption. Chris Cuomo is destroying intellectual thought by opening his mouth.

It's all in the family.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 13, 2015 03:14 PM (GGCsk)

143 I love riding the train, its a great way to travel. Leave the driving to someone else, people are friendly, you can sleep and keep going, and the food used to be great, although I wonder these days. Plus, trains go through territory you can see in no other way. Literally, they go through parts of the country you cannot access without a train.

I love em. I just don't think they're worth 60 billion dollars of our money down the drain.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 13, 2015 03:14 PM (39g3+)

144 Show of hands: How many of us knew before actually knowing that "Republican budget cuts" were going to be blamed for the train crash?

But that's the thing. It's automatic. Most libs don't even know they're doing it--they just do it. But it works with a large segment of the electorate. They'll remember the equation "GOP (draconian) budget cuts = death and destruction."

Posted by: JoeF. at May 13, 2015 03:15 PM (MF70y)

145 Montana, Falcone, Valenti, Mancuso

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:05 PM (sWgE+)

A whole lot of older folks in these parts miss La Cosa Nostra. They say the LCN ran things better than the real government.

Lot of Mob nostalgia in some areas where the government has utterly failed.

You never, ever said the word "Mafia" in our house or any of my dago friends houses. My mom still to this day cringes a bit when she hears the "M-word" and I can see her thinking it: "There's no such thing as the mafia."

All I know is, all our major appliances showed up in unmarked delivery trucks, usually in the middle of the night. And my dad always said, don't ask questions. It fell off the back of a truck on 19th Street.

Posted by: Citizen X at May 13, 2015 03:15 PM (7ObY1)

146 "They know that people will just uncritically accept a claim if you get enough people to parrot it."

Jimi Hendrix was a genius.

Posted by: Polly (Still wants a cracker, by the way) at May 13, 2015 03:16 PM (64tBw)

147 Infrastructure spending is another phrase for Union tax syphoning.

Posted by: Arson Wells at May 13, 2015 03:17 PM (UnJ7w)

148 Oh man. Another episiotomy thread?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 13, 2015 03:17 PM (JtwS4)

149 If an Amtrak train was traveling at twice its normal speed, what time would the Left try to politicize the accident

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2015 03:17 PM (fWAjv)

150 "There aren't enough Reststops on the road to Hawaii."

Nor Dairy Queens.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 13, 2015 03:17 PM (LA7Cm)

151 Cut Union wages and spend that money on infrastructure improvements.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 13, 2015 03:18 PM (o68RC)

152 'scuse me while i kiss this guy!

Posted by: Jimi Hendrix at May 13, 2015 03:18 PM (UnJ7w)

153 " Texas. The plates were from Texas. New Mexicans don't like Texans. "

This is true. We take over their ski resorts.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 13, 2015 03:18 PM (LA7Cm)

154 Posted by: Citizen X at May 13, 2015 03:15 PM (7ObY1)

I grow up in WNY. LOTS of time spent in Buff and Rochester in the 60's 70's

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:18 PM (sWgE+)

155 I like to tell my family members of the liberal persuasion that I see issues differently because I wonder about what is NOT said, what does NOT happen, etc. while they focus on what is said and what happens, as it is shown to them in the media.

Example: I ask my dear moonbat sister-in-law, why have you never seen a single study comparing the effectiveness and outcomes of US healthcare versus that of Canada or the UK?

Do you seriously think that if there was evidence that those other systems work better than the US system it would not have been touted in the media? Do you ever wonder then why it has not, although the debate has been going on for decades?

She replies it is probably because no such studies have ever been funded. I say okay, assume you are right - then why have they NOT been funded, given that healthcare is such a national "disgrace" and has been for decades?

At this point she will typically change the subject to Climate Change, so I ask her why she has never seen a one-on-one debate between advocates on both side of the issue. She replies that the real scientists to not like to talk to poopy-heads.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 13, 2015 03:18 PM (Xq2WY)

156 Show of hands: How many of us knew before actually knowing that "Republican budget cuts" were going to be blamed for the train crash?

Posted by: FireHorse at May 13, 2015 03:11 PM (64tBw)

*hand up*

The Left are nothing if they are not predictable.
Well, they are also vile, smelly, and have poor manners - but they are predictable.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Buy A Malediction, Get an Imaginary Insult Half Off! at May 13, 2015 03:18 PM (hLRSq)

157

My tardive dyskinesia is flairin' up bad today.....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 13, 2015 03:20 PM (HSmrB)

158 True -- if you lose consistently, then you don't make money at it, thus you are not a professional.

Most people who sit a Vegas slot machines 18 hours a day are
habitual, constant, addicted gamblers -- but they are not professionals,
because they always lose.

Posted by: zombie at May 13, 2015 03:12 PM (jBuUi)

Unrelated and OT: Am I think only one who is flabbergasted that major league baseball games now feature regular advertising from gambling sites? There's an online gambling company that is now the official gambler of MLB!

Aren't these the same people who banned Petey Rose for life for hustling a few bucks on the game? The same ones who made a big freakin' deal about some guys who supposedly threw a World Series? Heck, people may not remember, but Willie Mays, and I think... Mantle(?) were once temporarily suspended from the game (after their retirement as players) for working as greeters in a casino. And here we are, hawking it in every possible way as if it was as crucial to the game as instant replay and the designated hitter.

How the world changes...

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:20 PM (TOk1P)

159 "Lot of Mob nostalgia in some areas where the government has utterly failed. "

This is largely true--at least where it comes to traditional corruption. I remember my father telling me that a little corruption "smooths things along." And people will forgive a bit of corruption as long as the everything's working.

But the mob did get too involved in drugs, and drugs have totally fucked up this country. No nostalgia there...

Posted by: JoeF. at May 13, 2015 03:20 PM (MF70y)

160
For example, the difference between the words for "fig" and "pussy"...one vowel.

I thought that was intentional because eating a fig is like...

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 13, 2015 03:20 PM (JtwS4)

161 Hey, everyone else in the USA -- ready to pony up another $60 billion so California liberals can build their jack-off fantasy "high-speed rail" train from SF to LA that will

-- take longer than a plane flight
-- cost more than a plane flight
-- be more dangerous than a plane flight
-- have vastly fewer daily departures than a plane flight
-- still require a Homeland Security search checkpoint to board, so you don't gain any time there either
-- have fewer boarding and arrival locations as compared to the number of airports in NorCal and SoCal
-- still have no legal ability to build through crucial urban sections, as the landowners refuse to sell
-- burn more carbon per passenger mile, when every aspect of construction and travel are factored in, than a plane ride
-- never get completed in our lifetimes?

C'mon! Give us the money! We need it! High-speed rail is so European and cool!

Posted by: zombie at May 13, 2015 03:21 PM (jBuUi)

162 156 Their idiotic tactics work on the largely idiotic electorate.Of course,their policies insured that the electorate would be largely made up of idiots...

Posted by: steevy at May 13, 2015 03:21 PM (mGBKM)

163 153 " Texas. The plates were from Texas. New Mexicans don't like Texans. "

This is true. We take over their ski resorts.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 13, 2015 03:18 PM (LA7Cm)

rudest skiers I've come across in 50 years on snow skis...

The Texas Flatland Ski Club when they would go to Colorado...

and that includes the snow board punks you get on the Mountains now...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 13, 2015 03:21 PM (qh617)

164 No nostalgia there...

Posted by: JoeF.

Well, maybe a little.

Posted by: Barack "Choom" Obama at May 13, 2015 03:22 PM (VAsIq)

165 I thought that was intentional because eating a fig is like...
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 13, 2015 03:20 PM (JtwS4)

Reminds me of that Bernie Mac pumpkin pie joke.

Posted by: Arson Wells at May 13, 2015 03:22 PM (UnJ7w)

166 Example: I ask my dear moonbat sister-in-law, why have you never seen a single study comparing the effectiveness and outcomes of US healthcare versus that of Canada or the UK?

----

I simply ask whether you'd want to get healthcare in the US or Canada.

But there is really no rationalizing with people who think national healthcare is a good idea.

When finally pressed, I got some people to admit that yes doctors should be required to give away their services for free.

This was after he originally identified as a libertarian.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:22 PM (gmeXX)

167 Show of hands: How many of us knew before actually knowing that "Republican budget cuts" were going to be blamed for the train crash? But that's the thing. It's automatic. Most libs don't even know they're doing it--they just do it. But it works with a large segment of the electorate. They'll remember the equation "GOP (draconian) budget cuts = death and destruction."
Posted by: JoeF. at May 13, 2015 03:15 PM (MF70y)

---------------------------------------

Another question. How many on the left actually know about this train crash? Because, if they don't see it on FB or Twatter, it didn't happen.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2015 03:23 PM (/HX7u)

168 158 Their position on gambling has evolved...

Posted by: steevy at May 13, 2015 03:23 PM (mGBKM)

169 The above post proves that Republicans are in fact, racist.

Posted by: Mark Halperin at May 13, 2015 03:23 PM (NUCTk)

170 My tardive dyskinesia is flairin' up bad today.....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 13, 2015 03:20 PM (HSmrB)

Oh Granny Mrs. Benghazi, you can't say that! It's not PC... you have to call it developmentally disabled dyskinesia.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:23 PM (TOk1P)

171 The train speed problem will now be fixed with a system conceived of during the Carter administration, based on Intel 286 chip technology, coupled with vacuum tubes.

It will only take a few billion to implement.

Of course, if that doesn't work, an average cell phone has all the technology necessary to do the job. It just needs a $.99 app to link it in.

Posted by: jwest at May 13, 2015 03:24 PM (9ZZd+)

172 Aren't these the same people who banned Petey Rose for life for hustling a few bucks on the game?

----

What does one have to do with the other.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:24 PM (gmeXX)

173 >>For example, the difference between the words for "fig" and "pussy"...one vowel.

-- I thought that was intentional because eating a fig is like...

'Pussies aren't crunchy!' - stuff EoJ would have said, vol i

Posted by: Beastie Boys at May 13, 2015 03:24 PM (S41VY)

174 The logical fallacy that Cuomo indulges in here is "petitio principi", which is when the question under debate is assumed to have been proved. Thus, the transition from "Did budget cuts affect train safety?" to "Republic budget cuts caused the Amtrak crash!"

The bigger problem, however, is that of so-called "objectivity". The notion that people somehow can set their feelings and prejudices - in other words, their *judgement* - aside and present pure, untainted fact, is the supposed ideal of journalists. Yet a moment's reflection should show that such a thing is not possible: we see all see the world the through the lens of our values and our experience. Still, the Left and the media (BIRM) present their viewpoint as "objective": untainted, and therefore unchallengeable. What is called "objectivity" is, in truth, conformity: a method for shutting down discourse and closing minds.

Posted by: Brown Line at May 13, 2015 03:25 PM (zcbZo)

175 " Texas. The plates were from Texas. New Mexicans don't like Texans. "

----

Neither do Old Mexicans, for that matter.

*hums the theme from Davy Crockett*

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 03:25 PM (VAsIq)

176 It's puhnounced cuuuuuumo.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at May 13, 2015 03:25 PM (UnJ7w)

177 158 Their position on gambling has evolved...

Posted by: steevy at May 13, 2015 03:23 PM (mGBKM)

True that. It's amazing what a shipload of money will do to people's sense of right and wrong.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:26 PM (TOk1P)

178 SockOFF

Posted by: Garrett at May 13, 2015 03:26 PM (S41VY)

179 This was after he originally identified as a libertarian.

Posted by: SH

And writer at Reason.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 03:26 PM (VAsIq)

180 Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:20 PM (TOk1P)

Well I think the difference concerning Pete Rose was:

1.He was at the time the manager of the Reds
2.He was betting on his team from the dugout DURING the game

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:26 PM (sWgE+)

181 This was after he originally identified as a libertarian.

Posted by: SH

And writer at Reason.

----

But he was for gay marriage - so I guess he was a libertarian.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:27 PM (gmeXX)

182 What does one have to do with the other.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:24 PM (gmeXX)

Ask Judge Landis.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:27 PM (TOk1P)

183 "But it works with a large segment of the electorate."

Right-o! If it works, keep doing it until it stops working. It's smart football, it's smart business, it's smart politics. (I hesitate to say "smart" but it really is.)

Remember the government shutdown that "caused" Park Police and National Park Rangers to act so unconscionably? "It's the Republicans' fault!" Never mind that all of those people worked for the Department of the Interior (and ultimately, the president) - Obama had nothing to do with it.

I give the Left's opinion leaders credit on stuff like this. For myself, I don't believe that they believe anything they say. Instead, they employ mental discipline to stick to the line.

Seven people died in Pennsylvania? Republican budget cuts. It'll work until it doesn't.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 13, 2015 03:27 PM (8cWgt)

184 Well I think the difference concerning Pete Rose was:

1.He was at the time the manager of the Reds
2.He was betting on his team from the dugout DURING the game

Posted by: wrg500

That's what made him an "Edge Player".

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 03:27 PM (VAsIq)

185 "True that. It's amazing what a shipload of money will do to people's sense of right and wrong. "

And if people wanna gamble they're going to gamble. Why not derive some benefit from it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 13, 2015 03:27 PM (LA7Cm)

186 I only bet we were going to win!

Posted by: Pete Rose at May 13, 2015 03:27 PM (UnJ7w)

187 Ask Judge Landis.

-----

I'd think he knows.

Don't gamble on the games you are involved in - that is bad.

Casinos - good.

But you are right - we wouldn't have seen this 20 years ago.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:29 PM (gmeXX)

188

Oh Granny Mrs. Benghazi, you can't say that! It's not PC... you have to call it developmentally disabled dyskinesia.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:23 PM (TOk1P)

-------------------------------------

*uncontrolled lip-licking*

You're right,, my bad....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 13, 2015 03:29 PM (HSmrB)

189 It does seem kinda harmless (if jaded) to bet on your own team.

Posted by: eleven at May 13, 2015 03:29 PM (IPzoI)

190 zombie

open a Ryan Air franchise instead

Posted by: Feh at May 13, 2015 03:29 PM (0ysz8)

191 So it WAS the Republicans fault!!

There are 184 congressional districts in which not one person got on or off a train in 2014. 116 are currently represented by Republicans

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 13, 2015 03:29 PM (fWAjv)

192 You have to check out the Oberlin College Choir youtube response to the feminatzis Christina Sommers controversy. Priceless.

Posted by: luciana at May 13, 2015 03:29 PM (lD+4C)

193 I only bet we were going to win!

------

Admitted after 20 years of denials that he had ever done it at all.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:30 PM (gmeXX)

194 Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:20 PM (TOk1P)

Well I think the difference concerning Pete Rose was:

1.He was at the time the manager of the Reds

2.He was betting on his team from the dugout DURING the game

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:26 PM (sWgE+)

No, I think those things might have made it less palatable to them, but the policy that was enforced was the absolute ban on gambling. Regardless of how or where or when.

Like I said, Mays and Mantle were suspended from any baseball activities because they took jobs at a casino. Not having ANYTHING to do with betting on baseball.

It was an absolute. Still is. But there they are: Fandrool, and DaftKings.com, the new official best buddies of MLB. Why? Because nobody really cares anymore. That's why.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:30 PM (TOk1P)

195 You have to check out the Oberlin College Choir youtube response to the feminatzis Christina Sommers controversy. Priceless.

Posted by: luciana

I can't afford that!

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 03:31 PM (VAsIq)

196
Admitted after 20 years of denials that he had ever done it at all.

Is it the lying that's keeping him out?

Posted by: eleven at May 13, 2015 03:31 PM (IPzoI)

197 Is it the lying that's keeping him out?

Posted by: eleven

It's the scabies.

Posted by: Bud Selig at May 13, 2015 03:31 PM (VAsIq)

198
pep - if you're still around, I've been away for a while - actually I've been using the "marinate" metaphor for the national disinformation/distortion crisis for years. Not sure I ever used the term "idiot marinade", but the marinating image, all the time. Don't doubt you've used it, but I've never seen it.

Harumpph. So where do we take our anonymous internet comments section copyright dispute?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 13, 2015 03:32 PM (afQnV)

199 John Dillinger Sidecar

1 1/4 oz. Maker's Mark

3/4 oz. Grand Mariner

2 oz. Lemon Sweet n Sour

Shake and strain into highball glass full of ice.

Posted by: Arson Wells at May 13, 2015 03:32 PM (UnJ7w)

200 161
Posted by: zombie

I live in Austin and the bar I worked in was close to vity hall so the council members used to come in there all the time and I go to know them (and, drive them home, no cabs for the council members).

So these people wanted a train for Austin. We voted on it 2 times and turned it down. The council announced a 3rd vote on the train. I asked them "Why? The people have spoken, TWICE, we don't want a train that won't ever approach the utility of the NYC version. You're just going to waste a lot of money."

Their response, at different times and conversations, "Look, Austin is going to have a train system. It's been decided and that is all there is to it. The deals are done."

So we had that third vote and now we have a fucking train that no one uses because it's no where near as accessible and easy to ride.

California is going to get a fucking train too. It's been decided. The deals are done.

Posted by: CozMark at May 13, 2015 03:33 PM (CbGSW)

201
It's the scabies.

I can see that.

Posted by: eleven at May 13, 2015 03:33 PM (IPzoI)

202 Because nobody really cares anymore. That's why.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:30 PM (TOk1P)

Do you do a march madness bracket pool? How about Fantasy football?

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:33 PM (sWgE+)

203
I heard there was going to be 50 Shades of Gray the Musical.

Posted by: Bruce J. at May 13, 2015 03:33 PM (iQIUe)

204 I would venture to guess this accident is the result of unions and availability of recreational drugs. Unions probably fought and won for 'only just cause' testing to replace regular random testing.

Major difference between the two. One keeps the employee off drugs, the other allows him to do drugs but not to arouse suspicions that would bring on a test.

One is a train wreck waiting to happen, one maintains passenger safety.

All other arguments about this fatal act of negligent homicide are ridiculous until we know the answer to this question.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 13, 2015 03:35 PM (xQX/f)

205 I've been a sports fan for many years and have never had any desire to gamble on it.

Posted by: steevy at May 13, 2015 03:35 PM (mGBKM)

206 Ahem. Pimp time! BC and I discuss rules, abiding by them and oppositional defiance thereto in the new podcast. / pimp

I try to watch for this in my own responses. I keep mentioning over and over about how everything is bukkake theater now wherein each side's response to a situation is instantaneous and the facts of the situation are irrelevant.

For example, I heard an Amtrak train derailed last night and I know that the Left would scream about infrastructure, the Right would worry about terrorism and I would be all fuck the it bleeds it leads vultures in the press.

Those reactions would have been identical if everyone was just told about a train derailment without the derailment occurring.

That's a very bad development. It's not thinking. It's not even emoting. It's atavistic reflexive braying.

Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate! at May 13, 2015 03:35 PM (mf5HN)

207 ecause nobody really cares anymore. That's why.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:30 PM (TOk1P)

Do you do a march madness bracket pool? How about Fantasy football?

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All of that is completely different that what Pete Rose did.

I think MLB forbids players from participating in fantasy.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:36 PM (gmeXX)

208 They just don't want to kiss their sister.

I mean, ok, well, some of them actually do, but...

this ain't Alabama (where I'm from).

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 13, 2015 03:36 PM (0HooB)

209
alextc, uh, umm ..... were you looking for "kabuki" theater?
vs. "bukakke"
NTTAWWT

Posted by: rhomboid at May 13, 2015 03:37 PM (afQnV)

210 I heard there was going to be 50 Shades of Gray the Musical.

Posted by: Bruce J.

The Vagina Monologues Musical was disappointing.

Posted by: RadFem at May 13, 2015 03:37 PM (VAsIq)

211 Because nobody really cares anymore. That's why.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:30 PM (TOk1P)

Do you do a march madness bracket pool? How about Fantasy football?

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:33 PM (sWgE+)

No. I know other people do, but I never saw the appeal.

Just so we're clear though, I'm not saying anyone who wants to gamble should be prevented from doing so. I just find both MLB and the rest of the leagues, including the NFL with its promotion of fantasy football, are hypocrites when they talk about "the integrity of the game."

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:37 PM (TOk1P)

212 Nah, she might actually mean bukakke. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 13, 2015 03:38 PM (/Ho8c)

213 She meant Bukakke .....trust me.

Posted by: eleven at May 13, 2015 03:38 PM (IPzoI)

214 Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:36 PM (gmeXX)

Agreed. Rose was in a position to influence the outcome of the games he bet on. Not to mention the inside information he had access to.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:38 PM (sWgE+)

215 I think MLB forbids players from participating in fantasy.

Posted by: SH

They can't even FANTASIZE? What a life.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 03:38 PM (VAsIq)

216 I thought baseball was a fantasy. Hmm.

Posted by: Arson Wells at May 13, 2015 03:39 PM (UnJ7w)

217 Not to mention the inside information he had access to.

Posted by: wrg500

Yup--inside information is bad juju.

Posted by: Congressman, Specifically Exempted from Insider Trading Laws at May 13, 2015 03:40 PM (VAsIq)

218 All of that is completely different that what Pete Rose did.

I think MLB forbids players from participating in fantasy.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:36 PM (gmeXX)

Correct. I may have created a misunderstanding though. I think MLB was absolutely right to ban Rose, and I'm rather ambivalent on reinstatement now. I'm assuming they will though.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:40 PM (TOk1P)

219 Pro football flushed integrity when the money started to get big. That would be prolly around 1970. Now it is strictly big business. Integrity is like a coat of paint. They spread it around to improve the look of things.

Posted by: maddogg at May 13, 2015 03:40 PM (xWW96)

220 Btw, I went to a boxing match the other day and a hockey game broke out.

Posted by: Arson Wells at May 13, 2015 03:40 PM (UnJ7w)

221
well, OK (about bukakke) - though it doesn't make sense in that context, whereas kabuki does.

And kudos to Brown Line, for his petitio principi comment.

Ties into my pathetic and futile lament/whining hereabouts about how the language has lost the very useful phrase for this logical fallacy, that phrase being "beg the question". Which does *not* mean "raise the question".

Posted by: rhomboid at May 13, 2015 03:41 PM (afQnV)

222 "....are hypocrites when they talk about "the integrity of the game."

Yeah, it's all a bunch of horseshit.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 13, 2015 03:42 PM (LA7Cm)

223 Correct. I may have created a misunderstanding though. I think MLB was absolutely right to ban Rose, and I'm rather ambivalent on reinstatement now. I'm assuming they will though.

----

I'm not ambivalent on it, but I'm afraid you are right - they are going to reinstate him.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:42 PM (gmeXX)

224 Be that as it may.

Posted by: eleven at May 13, 2015 03:42 PM (IPzoI)

225 Even when lefty pundits very publicly screw up-- or even when they commit crimes (calling Al Sharpton and Tim Geithner)-- they don't get made to pay a price. That's what I really object to: they get to mouth off, and simultaneously don't have their credibility eroded (forget going to frickin jail) when they are wrong. Drives me crazy.

Posted by: MTF, I can see SMOD from my house at May 13, 2015 03:43 PM (LISuA)

226 well, OK (about bukakke) - though it doesn't make sense in that context, whereas kabuki does.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 13, 2015 03:41 PM (afQnV)

Bukkake absolutely makes sense in that context. It's a not at all subtle commentary that what everyone is doing is nothing more than mental masturbation.

Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate! at May 13, 2015 03:43 PM (mf5HN)

227 Pro football flushed integrity when the money started to get big. That would be prolly around 1970. Now it is strictly big business. Integrity is like a coat of paint. They spread it around to improve the look of things.

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In fairness, if your days were numbered, you might not think long-term either.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:43 PM (gmeXX)

228 I'm assuming they will though.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:40 PM (TOk1P)

IF they do, what about shoeless joe walker? The Black Sox threw the series yet his stats for the series exceed his regular season. Plus no evidences was ever presented connecting him the fix. Yet he is still out.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:44 PM (sWgE+)

229 >So looks like ace lost a strip poker game with Lena Dunham.

Either outcome of that game is a loss.

Posted by: fb at May 13, 2015 03:44 PM (JVEmw)

230 "Homo marriage, global warming, white privilege, racism, you name it.

They establish a default position that is the norm and anyone who goes the other way or refuses to "compromise" in going their way is wrong/evil etc. "

this is why it was imperative to avoid helping them. Why some conservatives are in favour of homo marriage? because of the reasons you quoted they should have been opposed merely ON PRINCIPLE.

Posted by: fromabroad at May 13, 2015 03:44 PM (rnV3B)

231
GET READY!

Asteroid measuring 1.3 kilometers across will have a close brush w/Earth on Thursday, May 14

http://bit.ly/1e1JhYp

Posted by: Bruce J. at May 13, 2015 03:45 PM (iQIUe)

232 walker=Jackson

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:45 PM (sWgE+)

233 Correct. I may have created a misunderstanding
though. I think MLB was absolutely right to ban Rose, and I'm rather
ambivalent on reinstatement now. I'm assuming they will though.

----

I'm not ambivalent on it, but I'm afraid you are right - they are going to reinstate him.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:42 PM (gmeXX)

Only reason I'm ambivalent is that Rose has shown rePetedly that he's a complete idiot. Not just a partial idiot. He's got the whole set.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:45 PM (TOk1P)

234 For example, I heard an Amtrak train derailed last night and I know that
the Left would scream about infrastructure, the Right would worry about
terrorism

My wife woke up at something like 2 am last night, turned the news on and told me about the derailment. I did not think of terror at all. Because:
1. Location. NYC and Washington DC get bigger bang for the terror buck
2. History. Been a lot of tokers who have smashed up trains in this area over the past 30 plus years I've lived in this area. They got serious about the problem for a while, but I suspect the Age of Obama liberalism has supplanted the need for passenger safety.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 13, 2015 03:45 PM (xQX/f)

235 Asteroid measuring 1.3 kilometers across will have a close brush w/Earth on Thursday, May 14

brb, mowing a bullseye into the back yard...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 13, 2015 03:46 PM (0HooB)

236 There's a bunch of Pete Rose stuff in the Hall of Fame, also a Pete Rose-themed shop next door. If you didn't know he didn't have a plaque, you'd assume it was just out for cleaning.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 13, 2015 03:46 PM (2cS/G)

237 walker=Jackson

Posted by: wrg500

"Hillary seen out and about with her Jackson this afternoon"

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 03:46 PM (VAsIq)

238 IF they do, what about shoeless joe walker? The Black Sox threw the series yet his stats for the series exceed his regular season. Plus no evidences was ever presented connecting him the fix. Yet he is still out.

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Woah. Here we go again with this "no evidence" declaration. There was ample evidence connecting him to the fix. As with deflategate, you are free to attach whatever evidentiary weight you want to it, and to bring up counter-evidence, but that does not mean there was no evidence.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:47 PM (gmeXX)

239 Asteroid measuring 1.3 kilometers across will have a close brush w/Earth on Thursday, May 14

brb, mowing a bullseye into the back yard...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 13, 2015 03:46 PM (0HooB)

I tell people about the taunting and I tell them . . . .

Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate! at May 13, 2015 03:47 PM (mf5HN)

240 I seem to remember years ago hearing about an asteroid that was called apophis. It would pass earth close in 2020 and if it passed threw a keyhole? it would swing back around in 2032 and herald the coming of the creator of the universe by slamming into the earth, IIRC.

Posted by: Arson Wells at May 13, 2015 03:47 PM (UnJ7w)

241 231
GET READY!

Asteroid measuring 1.3 kilometers across will have a close brush w/Earth on Thursday, May 14

http://bit.ly/1e1JhYp
Posted by: Bruce J. at May 13, 2015 03:45 PM (iQIUe)

__________________

I've been ready. Since before Y2K. I'd like to finally get a ROI off all of this shit.

Posted by: CozMark at May 13, 2015 03:47 PM (CbGSW)

242 Looks like we've got another one of those Republicans who can't keep his hands off...his phone:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/article20822424.html

Posted by: The Devoceleraptor (sometimes JEM) at May 13, 2015 03:48 PM (o+SC1)

243 Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:47 PM (gmeXX)

Much, much less than that have on Rose.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:48 PM (sWgE+)

244 Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate! at May 13, 2015 03:35 PM (mf5HN)

I was seriously disappointed in your discussion of Star Wars. Neither of you being aware of the nipple slip in return of the Jedi.

Not of leia but from Oola.

Posted by: Buzzion at May 13, 2015 03:48 PM (z/Ubi)

245 brb, mowing a bullseye into the back yard...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t

----

Could you maybe mow it on the White House lawn, or Jimmy Carter's lawn, paint it in the Middle East or something? We like your comments.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at May 13, 2015 03:48 PM (VAsIq)

246 I heard that asteroid has a small peener.

Posted by: eleven at May 13, 2015 03:48 PM (IPzoI)

247 If we accept that Rose only gambled on his team to win, and that Joe Jackson conspired to fix the WS against his team, then Jackson's crime is worse. That being said, if they let Rose back in, I think they should let JJ back in. All that being said, I like the deterrent effect and the hard and fast rule that baseball has. I'd just keep them both on the permanently ineligible list.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:49 PM (gmeXX)

248 developed Leftism

Developed, inherited or infected?

Posted by: DaveA at May 13, 2015 03:50 PM (DL2i+)

249
I'm assuming they will though.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:40 PM (TOk1P)

IF they do, what about shoeless joe walker? The Black Sox threw the
series yet his stats for the series exceed his regular season. Plus no
evidences was ever presented connecting him the fix. Yet he is still
out.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:44 PM (sWgE+)

Yeah, once Rose is reinstated, it's probably a foregone conclusion. However, Joe wasn't as innocent as some people claim he was. He took some cash, knew what the others were up to, and sure as heck never said anything about it until long afterwards.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:50 PM (TOk1P)

250 Just to be clear, the cheating Big Mac and Barry Bonds participated in saved baseball. Before those two baseball was slowly sinking into the oblivion.

Posted by: Arson Wells at May 13, 2015 03:51 PM (UnJ7w)

251 @245 - with the CEP of a decent-size nuke, a bulls'-eye is insh'allah hardly necessary...but we appreciate the thought.

Posted by: Supreme Bombardier Ali Khamenei at May 13, 2015 03:51 PM (o+SC1)

252 The train derailed because of Global Warming.

Posted by: Al Gore at May 13, 2015 03:51 PM (xkSSa)

253 Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:47 PM (gmeXX)

Much, much less than that have on Rose.

----

I'm not sure I agree with that statement - but it may be true. But not the same as no evidence. He did confess.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:51 PM (gmeXX)

254 Neither man was renowned for their intellect.

Posted by: eleven at May 13, 2015 03:51 PM (IPzoI)

255 I heard that asteroid has a small peener.

Posted by: eleven

*sigh* I'll check it out.

Posted by: Scientist who found new species of monkey based on it's penis and different fur but mostly its penis at May 13, 2015 03:51 PM (VAsIq)

256 I tell people about the taunting and I tell them . . . .

Empress, I too am greatly disturbed at the Cosmic Taunting. By making this bold statement that may or many not be visible from this particular SMODlet's orbital vantage point, perhaps whomever is in charge of said Celestial Events will get the message that some manner of intervention, Divine (hopefully) or otherwise is needed, nay, begged for in these most trying of times.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 13, 2015 03:52 PM (0HooB)

257 I'd just keep them both on the permanently ineligible list.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:49 PM (gmeXX)

I agree. For the simple fact that Joe had to know what was going on and said nothing.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:52 PM (sWgE+)

258 He did confess.

Posted by: SH

I thought it was my priest! No one was supposed to know!!!!!

Posted by: Shoeless Joe at May 13, 2015 03:52 PM (VAsIq)

259 I like the deterrent effect and the hard and fast rule that baseball has.

Amen. Love Pete Rose, he brought a World Series here to Philly. But people need absolute lines in the sand. He crossed the line, knew the risk, now pays the price.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 13, 2015 03:52 PM (xQX/f)

260 246 I heard that asteroid has a small peener.
Posted by: eleven at May 13, 2015 03:48 PM (IPzoI)

Oooh, does that mean when it hits we can call it a small peen hammer?

Posted by: Piercello at May 13, 2015 03:54 PM (QJCCx)

261 I saw Atavistic Reflexive Braying open for Bukkake Theater at Filmore East at the Beacon Theater in '91.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 13, 2015 03:54 PM (JtwS4)

262 And let's be honest, Chris Cuomo has the job he has for one reason.

It's similar to the one that got Chelsea Clinton job at NBC with no experience and no ability.

Access.

There's also notoriety (or fame for those who have it).

Name recognition resonates with both sides.

Everyone recognizes that them employing Chris is a declaration of their politics and who they'll shill for. (as if we needed that)

His ability or lack thereof is of secondary importance.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 13, 2015 03:54 PM (zRby/)

263 However, Joe wasn't as innocent as some people claim he was.

-----

Like I said - he did confess. The big difference between the two (well one of them) is that Rose clearly knew the consequence of what he was doing if he was caught. Yet he did it anyway. I'm not sure why his sentence should be commuted in any way. The punishment was clear. The punishment should remain.

It is no great tragedy.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:54 PM (gmeXX)

264 There's a bunch of Pete Rose stuff in the Hall of
Fame, also a Pete Rose-themed shop next door. If you didn't know he
didn't have a plaque, you'd assume it was just out for cleaning.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 13, 2015 03:46 PM (2cS/G)

Just like gay marriage. It's not about the integrity of the building, it's not about what's good for anyone else, it's about Pete's need for you to accept him. If he wasn't such a tardive dyskinesia, I'd be a lot less ambivalent than I am, but good lord, look at the man's haircut all those years. He's not hustling with a full charlie.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:54 PM (TOk1P)

265 Then you have flaming assholes like Ty Cobb. Great BB players but one of the nastiest people to ever walk the earth if you believe the stories about him.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:55 PM (sWgE+)

266 From WZ: White House blames partisan budget cuts for Amtrack.

Hey Bitch, what did your reaching out to Obama buy you)

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 13, 2015 03:55 PM (eXkxt)

267 Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:54 PM (TOk1P)

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He certainly is his own worst enemy. Though Pete has traded off his banning for his own benefit. Frankly, I think the banning has only increased his popularity. He was a beloved ball player for sure - and very, very good. But he is generally overrated by most.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:56 PM (gmeXX)

268 Keep Rose out ... Let him in ... Whatever it takes to keep the rubes watching the games instead of us.

Posted by: Politicians Everywhere at May 13, 2015 03:57 PM (5Ev1l)

269 Once you go Lance Armstrong you never go back.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at May 13, 2015 03:57 PM (XUKZU)

270 Don't judge me!

*spoons obama harder*

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at May 13, 2015 03:57 PM (UnJ7w)

271
Not of leia but from Oola.

The green girl what falls down the hole? I might have burned out a VHS tape at those frames.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 13, 2015 03:58 PM (JtwS4)

272 This thread is dying an awful death.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2015 03:58 PM (/HX7u)

273 This thread is dying an awful death.

----

I thought the Pete Rose discussion was a breath of fresh air.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:58 PM (gmeXX)

274 In testimony before the grand jury on September 28, 1920, news accounts from the era claim that Jackson admitted under oath that he agreed to participate in the fix:

However, no such direct quote or testimony to this effect appears in the actual stenographic record of Jackson's grand jury appearance, casting doubt on their veracity.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:59 PM (sWgE+)

275 Then you have flaming assholes like Ty Cobb. Great
BB players but one of the nastiest people to ever walk the earth if you
believe the stories about him.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:55 PM (sWgE+)

And it should be noted: Cobb and Tris Speaker were both involved in a gambling scandal that they were allowed to walk away from. Old Judge Landis let them retire rather than punish them. They were both essentially through anyway, but still. The judge decided baseball didn't need another big time scandal, so he decided to sweep it under the rug.

And yes, Cobb was a horrible human being. It's not even remotely debatable.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 03:59 PM (TOk1P)

276 I am a breath of fresh air.

Posted by: Pete's Rose at May 13, 2015 03:59 PM (UnJ7w)

277 Nood Josh Earnest.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 13, 2015 03:59 PM (kff5f)

278 Off sock.

And my hash today is 5ev1l. Awesome.

Posted by: ScoggDogg at May 13, 2015 04:00 PM (5Ev1l)

279 The green girl what falls down the hole? I might have burned out a VHS tape at those frames.

I may or may not have that frame framed right next to my framed picture of the frame of Leia in her Jabba the Hutt uniform aboard his desert schooner.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 13, 2015 04:01 PM (0HooB)

280 I thought the Pete Rose discussion was a breath of fresh air.
Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:58 PM (gmeXX)

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I guess when the casket lid is opened just a crack, that's what one would think.

Posted by: Soona at May 13, 2015 04:01 PM (/HX7u)

281
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Posted by: Bruce J. at May 13, 2015 03:45 PM (iQIUe)

SMOD's a fuckin' tease.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 13, 2015 04:01 PM (lpeQC)

282 This place is death.

Posted by: The Deftones at May 13, 2015 04:02 PM (UnJ7w)

283 He certainly is his own worst enemy. Though Pete
has traded off his banning for his own benefit. Frankly, I think the
banning has only increased his popularity. He was a beloved ball player
for sure - and very, very good. But he is generally overrated by most.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 03:56 PM (gmeXX)

Yep. I do find it rather amusing though, Johnny Bench remains one of Rose's most vocal critics regarding the gambling stuff. If you see Johnny, he's become a bitter old foop. I am reasonably certain much of that is due to the fact that Pete is more famous (and more popular) than him.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 13, 2015 04:03 PM (TOk1P)

284 Jackson spent most of the last 30 years of his life proclaiming his innocence, and evidence has surfaced that casts significant doubt on his involvement in the fix. Jackson reportedly refused the $5,000 bribe on two separate occasion despite the fact that it would effectively double his salary only to have teammate Lefty Williams toss the cash on the floor of his hotel room. Jackson then reportedly tried to tell White Sox owner Charles Comiskey about the fix, but Comiskey refused to meet with him. Unable to afford legal counsel, Jackson was represented by team attorney Alfred Austrian a clear conflict of interest. Before Jackson's grand jury testimony, Austrian allegedly elicited Jackson's admission of his supposed role in the fix by plying him with whiskey. Austrian was also able to persuade the nearly illiterate Jackson to sign a waiver of immunity from prosecution. Years later, the other seven players implicated in the scandal confirmed that Jackson was never at any of the meetings. Williams said that they only mentioned Jackson's name to give their plot more credibility. Jackson's performance during the series itself lends further credence to his assertions. A 1993 article in The American Statistician reported the results of a statistical analysis of Jackson's contribution during the 1919 World Series, and concluded that there was "substantial support to Jackson's subsequent claims of innocence".

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 04:07 PM (sWgE+)

285 I've read a lot about Jackson. There are some who are sure he is innocent and others who are sure of his guilt.

I'm not sure we will ever really know - though I lean toward the he knew about the fix and participated in the conspiracy (even if he didn't actually "throw" any games himself).

But I doubt he received fair and competent counsel that a player in a similar situation today would receive. And certainly, the reserve system was a contributing factor as to why he and the others (and likely many other players of that era) participated in such a confidence scheme.

So while on the merits, fixing a WS may be worse than gambling on your team to win an April regular season game - Jackson's participation was in a different era. One that makes him much more sympathetic to me than Rose.

Posted by: SH at May 13, 2015 04:17 PM (gmeXX)

286 I'm too sexist for my shirt

too sexist for my shirt

so sexist it hurts

Posted by: Bathhouse Barry at May 13, 2015 04:52 PM (NUCTk)

287 232 walker=Jackson

Posted by: wrg500 at May 13, 2015 03:45 PM (sWgE+)

I think your autocorrect needs calibrating.

Posted by: rickl at May 13, 2015 04:56 PM (zoehZ)

288 I think that it's blindist of you to refer to jazz fingers. Shame.

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at May 13, 2015 05:04 PM (XMX7O)

289 Sure, sure, liberal bias, it goes without saying with his pedigree and employer.

But the simplest explanation is usually best. He is just an idiot.

Posted by: Adjoran at May 13, 2015 05:42 PM (QIQ6j)

290 Demonstrable. With an N. I can't believe that headline has been sitting up there for seven hours.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at May 13, 2015 09:58 PM (iKhVZ)

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