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Tough Rhetoric Does Not Cause Violence
I see folks handing around the Tweetable Guide To Media Myths And Left-wing Violence in the wake of the murder of Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu yesterday. Some folks are sending it around in protest of the claims from media and the authorities that anti-police rhetoric should not take the blame for this atrocity. But that's not quite the point of the Tweetable Guide.
My problem with media coverage of violence is that the media and sometimes even public authorities reflexively and without any evidence blame conservatives and conservative ideas for violence. And that ignorant blaming of conservatives always seems to turn out to be incorrect later. After those two issues comes my final point: much of the high-profile violence that gets blamed on conservatives actually come from folks in at least one (and sometimes more than one) category: crazy, leftist, or Islamist. Nasty rhetoric may contribute to a crazy killer or leftist killer or Islamist killer's self-justification for his actions. But it generally is not the cause of premeditated violence. We should be cautious about blaming the anti-police rhetoric that followed the grand jury verdicts in Ferguson and on Staten Island without more evidence. That's what the media does to us and it usually turns out wrong. If it is true that Ismaaiyl Brinsley was motivated by rhetoric then that is a really big deal. But I don't know why he killed those police officers and neither do you yet. Generally, however, rhetoric doesn't just set somebody off. Wait for more facts. And, if you're betting, he'll probably fall into one of the other categories when this all shakes out.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Gee, wonder why the media is ignoring this fact?
If he was white and a skin head, trust me, it would be in the MSM.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:25 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 11:23 AM
Possibly, although it would be extremely difficult to find clear causation.
But I would argue that the nasty rhetoric is very possibly the catalyst for increased levels of violence.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 11:28 AM (Zu3d9)
As everyone knows, a Tea Party, Nazi, Constitutionalist Conservative, talk radio listener, Founding Father loving, John Bircher, Stormfronter, anti-IRS, government hating wack-job.
and a skin head
That's a bonus.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizarro World at December 21, 2014 11:29 AM (UtwNa)
Posted by: ginaswo at December 21, 2014 11:30 AM (2EgyQ)
Boy, sure wish the cops had those mystical guns.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:30 AM (0FSuD)
Be sure, mind you, that if someone has enough testosterone in them, words can build up feelings and turn them into action. It happens all the time, it's coaches jobs to use words to create action. Heck, it's the Inman's jobs to as well, Obummer does it as well.
Yes, it is very much likely that those two cops would still be alive today if it wasn't for triggering rhetoric.
Posted by: doug at December 21, 2014 11:31 AM (IYEs/)
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He was a Muslim, but there's no indication that his religion had anything to do with this. He appears to be just a thug... a lousy, no-good, lacking-in-value animal without self-restraint or respect for human life.
HE pulled the trigger but, if anyone might be complicit, it is Louis Farrakhan, he of the "Tear this G*****m country up!" and "If they kill one of ours..." rhetoric.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM (DmNpO)
I take your point Gabe but don't be blind when it really IS incitement to murder
Chanting we want dead cops is not going to bring a good result and DeBlasio is a huge part of the problem
Sharp ton Freddy Fashion Mart riots were incited by rhetoric
Posted by: ginaswo at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM (2EgyQ)
Posted by: ginaswo at December 21, 2014 11:33 AM (2EgyQ)
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:33 AM (u9gzs)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 11:34 AM (zOTsN)
I respectfully disagree. See this from Insty.
http://tinyurl.com/mbuamdq
He was a thug and he planned to kill cops. His instagram messages makes that VERY clear.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:35 AM (0FSuD)
Now that may not be the ONLY cause for his actions, but it damn sure was A cause.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (N3zZa)
Posted by: TexasJew at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (P+WEA)
Posted by: TexasJew at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (P+WEA)
I read one article this morning that said the killer AH was associated
with some kind of gang in MD. I still blame Obama, Holder, Sharpton, and
the MFM at large. My feeling is this guy was already a borderline
psychotic and the hate speech from the individuals above combined with
the outright lies put out (and still being put out( by the MFM pushed
him over the line.
But the big question is that if he was doing it as revenge for Ferguson and the NYC black, why did he shoot his GF first?
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (u9gzs)
I take your point Gabe but don't be blind when it really IS incitement to murder
Chanting we want dead cops is not going to bring a good result and DeBlasio is a huge part of the problem
Sharp ton Freddy Fashion Mart riots were incited by rhetoric
What You said...
Posted by: ginaswo at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM
Posted by: helloit's me Donna and I know nuthink! at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (Bn6aD)
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Don't kid yourself, Gabe. It's all becoming one and the same.
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (xF71N)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 21, 2014 11:37 AM (AbfZY)
Posted by: ginaswo at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM (2EgyQ)
THIS!! EIGHT DEAD!
http://tinyurl.com/bo9cok6
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:37 AM (0FSuD)
Now that may not be the ONLY cause for his actions, but it damn sure was A cause.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (N3zZa)
of course! why does Malor say "we don't know"?
Posted by: avi at December 21, 2014 11:37 AM (viqX2)
DeBlasio met with the 'leadership' of that group while he helped label NYPD as bad, vsludated the 'tough rhetoric' and basically left NYPD to be targets who clearly have no support from the City leadership
God Bless those officers and their families
Posted by: ginaswo at December 21, 2014 11:38 AM (2EgyQ)
Posted by: Gmac- who is tired of all this at December 21, 2014 11:38 AM (baiNQ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:38 AM (nzKvP)
Maybe she was trying to stop him?
Posted by: Infidel at December 21, 2014 11:38 AM (1YT1i)
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (u9gzs)
NO BJ?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:39 AM (0FSuD)
Just when we need Charlie Bronson.
Can you imagine the various scenarios with a persona like "kill 2 cops we kill twenty thug life's"...
And it is always the fringe idiots incited by the Sharpton's and other Black figure heads, who get caught up in the vortex, of the lie's.
Fragmented people of America
Posted by: Handel Schmandel at December 21, 2014 11:39 AM (/WmRg)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 21, 2014 11:39 AM (AbfZY)
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 11:39 AM (xF71N)
Wrong: It is the preaching of violence in mosques, year after year, that is the cause of Muslim violence.
Posted by: pst314 at December 21, 2014 11:40 AM (T4dRn)
Posted by: myiq2xu at December 21, 2014 11:40 AM (5fSr7)
If speakers exhort listeners to violence and state the police are the enemy sooner or later someone will take action.
I can't say I agree with you Gabe, we have seen the same pattern throughout history to various groups.
Hell did not "reverend" Sharpton exhort people to riot several years ago? Is not his hands covered with blood?
Posted by: gdonovan at December 21, 2014 11:41 AM (Ipxoj)
Hello?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:41 AM (0FSuD)
Yeah well times are changing. Ignorant low information idiots are being taught this crap from the tit and NOW it's coming from the President and AG and Mayor. Your reap what you sow
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:41 AM (nzKvP)
"DEAD COPS!"
"WHEN DO WE WANT THEM?'
"NOW!"
Oh, of course there's no connection. No, sir, none at all, what a silly notion.
What you're missing Gabe, is that the conservative ideas and rhetoric so often pointed to by the media as calls for violence are anything but. Symbols on a map, calls for small government. That's not a call for violence in any way, shape or form. Tell me why the quotes I started my post with aren't a call for violence. I don't think you can do it. You want me to link the video? How about protestors with "All my heroes kill cops" signs?
Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 11:41 AM (KAmzK)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 11:43 AM (zOTsN)
Agitprop only needs a vehicle, not any valid basis.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 11:43 AM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Paul at December 21, 2014 11:44 AM (y8cqw)
Other than the fact that he called it "revenge" for the death of a man at the hands of the NYPD, you mean?
What we don't know is whether this man killed the cops as a result of being prompted by left wing rhetoric and violence encouragement. We'll probably never know that.
But if the left is willing to blame the random shooting of a politician by a pot smoking madman in Arizona on a Sarah Palin image with a target portrayed on a city, then they have to either change that stupidity or be consistent and blame themselves for this, which is why people are passing around that bit.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 21, 2014 11:44 AM (39g3+)
is a really big deal. But I don't know why he killed those police
officers and neither do you yet. Generally, however, rhetoric doesn't
just set somebody off.
"Give me liberty of give me death"
Yeah, that kind of shit made no difference in our country. NONE!
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:45 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Terry at December 21, 2014 11:45 AM (T9P0E)
I believe the answer is yes.
Therefore, the murder of the two cops is because of teh Eric Garner protests.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2014 11:46 AM (0LHZx)
Because he was sick of her shit?
Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2014 11:46 AM (dVmLD)
What kind of "know" do you mean?
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 11:46 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 21, 2014 11:46 AM (AbfZY)
He appears to be just a thug... a lousy, no-good, lacking-in-value animal without self-restraint or respect for human life.
Yeah, totally different.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 11:46 AM (oKE6c)
I KEEEEL YOU!!!
Posted by: grammar nazi at December 21, 2014 11:47 AM (AbfZY)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 11:48 AM (BXkFh)
because most in society know when they hear CRAZY rhetoric, that it should be ignored as the idiocy it is.
When you Have officials in the highest Levels of Govt lighting the Rhetoric fire, It is slightly different, It IS indicating peoples Paranoia is founded in truthiness.
Piglasio , sharpton administration Officials...and other leaders are Held to a higher standard than dip shit inciter down the Street.
SEIU leaders Unions Leaders are Held to a standard when they speak and incite hate against others. Scabs blah blah.
They are provocateurs -slanderers, inciters agitators .
It is purposeful not just random angst .
Why because they are leaders with Power and believed by those under their rule.
Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 11:49 AM (nqBYe)
NOT a big question at all. Remember the guy who shot all those people from the Tower of a Building in Texas: He tok out his family first. When your going to go out in blaze of "Glory", you often tie up loose ends. So did that kid from CT: Shot his mother before going to the school. Hey Gabe less philosophy and more history and current events might do you some good
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:49 AM (nzKvP)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 11:49 AM (zOTsN)
The President of the United States urged lawlessness, violence, and racist supremacist actions against those he hates - cops, non-African Americans, non-gays, non-Muslims.
The President of the United States of America inspired, encouraged, and approved of murder, assault, theft, arson, and mayhem as long as it wasn't against his favored mascots.
The President of the United States of America is guilty of organizing and fomenting violence and murder.
Period.
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at December 21, 2014 11:49 AM (scgac)
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 11:49 AM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 11:50 AM (A6vWB)
No, it isn't.
The simple fact is that conservative 'rhetoric' has not been demonstrated to cause profligate violence. But leftist rhetoric that constantly ramps up all the way to 'Kill Cops' has, and does.
If they're saying 'Kill Cops,' I have no doubt to believe that they believe their rhetoric.
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 11:50 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 11:51 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 21, 2014 11:51 AM (39g3+)
Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 11:52 AM (KAmzK)
Come on I'm certain the leftoid/media complex is properly chastened and will treat us fairly in the future.
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 11:52 AM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (u9gzs)
She was on his 'to do' list and he figured she's be harder to reach after he'd offed a couple cops?
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 11:53 AM (A6vWB)
Posted by: Baldy at December 21, 2014 11:53 AM (+35FH)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at December 21, 2014 11:53 AM (jucos)
I like you Gabe but you are dead wrong.
Been to a number of Tea Party events, no one there advocated violence. Hell they even picked up the trash when leaving unlike the average lefty event which looks like a tornado swept through.
The loser in the white house himself has advocated violence against the people of the united states. This is right from the top down.
Posted by: gdonovan at December 21, 2014 11:53 AM (Ipxoj)
Motivation is pretty clear here.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 11:54 AM (BNIaE)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:54 AM (nzKvP)
Reverend Al has tweeted:
I am outraged at the killing of 2 police officers in Brooklyn. That is why we stress non violence as the only way to fight for justice.
Idiot Sally John is also particularly offense:
When there's a school shooting, we don't blame it on critics of public schools. Equally absurd to blame cop shootings on critics of police.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 11:54 AM (LImiJ)
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 11:39 AM (xF71N)
Satan's kingdom is vast and growing.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 11:54 AM (A6vWB)
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (/4AZU)
No, words didn't force the dude to pull the trigger, but you can't deny the anti-cop climate created over the past few months by people who SHOULD have the cops' backs.
Posted by: ericinva at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (XsvzV)
There was no one to teach them their interpretation of the Koran as that justification?
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (nGaMY)
Black muslims in America tend to be motivated as much by race hate as Islamic hate. Hard to untangle.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (ZPrif)
also was this guy selling kill zimmerman shirts ? as said in a comment last night?
true or not?
Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 11:54 AM (BNIaE)
Not when your wearing gabe colored sun glasses
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (nGaMY)
In for a penny, in for a pound.
If a campaign of vengeance is on the agenda, start close to home.
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 11:56 AM (MMC8r)
NYC shooting: A group calling for violence inspires a member to violence.
These things are not the same.
Posted by: Things You Won't Hear at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (mfgqi)
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (MQEz6)
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The Department of Justice?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (LImiJ)
Posted by: Average dumb ass lefty at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (u9gzs)
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (nGaMY)
Well seems to be American Policy now a days. Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (nzKvP)
There were gangs in the 70s that executed cops in NYC for political reasons. The Black Liberation Army
This guy belonged to a gang like that, that promised hits on cops in retaliation for Brown and Garner
This guy had been talking about that on line for weeks. Check the Daily Mail. Look at his tweets and Instagram.
He traveled frequently between Atlanta Brooklyn and Baltimore with a stop in Oakland. Why. On gang business? Community organizing? Protesting?
Bratton said he had "connections" to Brooklyn. Like what
People knew what he was going to do and did nothing. People in Bed Sty laughed and clapped when they saw what he did
This isn't just like the tea party. It's intellectually dishonest to equate the two
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (zOTsN)
Yes, yes they do. That's exactly who they blame.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (39g3+)
Here's a fun hypothetical: suppose the media hadn't covered the cases of St. Trayvon, St. Swisher, or St. Loosie in such an inflammatory way. No pictures of them as eight-year olds, no showcasing
Would the shooting of the two cops have happened?
I'm guessing "no." So please don't essentially take the position that words are just words, and don't matter. In the closest analogy to the MSM, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion mattered. Mein Kampf mattered. Das Kapital and the Koran mattered, and each still matters. There's a reason why the MSM bury the race of particularly vicious criminals who aren't white.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (oKE6c)
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The Department of Justice?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (LImiJ)
Oh wow... I wish I had said that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (nzKvP)
People knew what he was going to do and did nothing. People in Bed Sty laughed and clapped when they saw what he did
America's Palestinians.
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 11:58 AM (MMC8r)
religion had anything to do with this. He appears to be just a thug... a
lousy, no-good, lacking-in-value animal without self-restraint or
respect for human life.
HE pulled the trigger but, if anyone might be complicit, it is Louis
Farrakhan, he of the "Tear this G*****m country up!" and "If they kill
one of ours..." rhetoric.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM (DmNpO)
NDH, his religion had everything to do with this. Thugs like this embrace islam because islam gives them justification for being a thug.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 21, 2014 11:58 AM (gvtTX)
Larry Elder @larryelder 39m
Mayor's son robbed near North Side home. 2 suspects at large-- but paper GIVES NO DESCRIPTION!
www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-rahm-emanuel-son-robbed-20141220-story.html
#Politicalcorrectness
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 11:58 AM (ZPrif)
true or not?
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True. See Weasel Zippers.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 11:58 AM (LImiJ)
Weasel Zippers
Woods has always been great on these issues. Good Man. Good Man.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:59 AM (nzKvP)
on page C17 of the local newspaper, and a ten-second blurb on the local
TV news."
You know, like black on black killings are covered in Chicago every weekend.
Not a peep.
Posted by: gdonovan at December 21, 2014 11:59 AM (Ipxoj)
I am outraged at the killing of 2 police officers in Brooklyn. That
is why we stress 'non violence' as the only way to 'fight' for justice.
Non-violent fighting is cool.
Posted by: Jericho at December 21, 2014 11:59 AM (JkxKs)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at December 21, 2014 11:59 AM (jucos)
Posted by: Adolph Hitler at December 21, 2014 11:59 AM (nGaMY)
Go out with a bang. Get it all done is one setting. Mad at the world. Mad at her. Mad at himself.
Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang.
Done.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:00 PM (BNIaE)
Well this must be a terribly needed rhetorical point for the Federalist to post a byline here.
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 12:00 PM (/4AZU)
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Why would they do that Gabrielle?
Perhaps because that IS the tool THEY actually use and think We do as they do?
When have we (conservatives)said to eachother let's Riot! let's Kill people ?
Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 12:00 PM (nqBYe)
individually that they hated kafirs, and even Shi'ites, enough to
justify beheading them?
There was no one to teach them their interpretation of the Koran as that justification?
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If you can convince yourself that there are no causes for a problem, you can justify not doing anything to fix the problem.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:01 PM (A6vWB)
Would the shooting of the two cops have happened?
That's very well put. Whether he was driven or spurred to this by the rhetoric or not, the connection is not hard to see. He's been writing about killing cops for a while now, but only did it recently - driving to another city to do so. Now, granted, on the East Coast you live like 10 minutes from the next big city, but still, its an effort.
Something changed in him, something triggered this, motivating him to go from rhetoric to action.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 21, 2014 12:01 PM (39g3+)
From the killing fields of Pol Pot, to the pogroms in Russia to Hitler's well documented slaughter of millions, it's violence all the way down. Even our new friends in Cuba relied on violence and lots of it to gain and keep power.
And if you think violence isn't in the heart of our current lefties, read some of the works of Ayers, Dohrn and their fellow travelers. Not only did they engage in violence but they preached that much more would be needed, in the tens of millions, to achieve their socialist paradise.
It may turn out that it is difficult to tie this particular case to any one speech or action but don't kid yourself that when you live in a bubble that treats violence as a legitimate tool in achieving your aims then violence will happen.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 21, 2014 12:01 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 12:02 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Baldy at December 21, 2014 12:02 PM (+35FH)
Well yes, since the whole appeal of islam to the black community is that it is opposed to Christianity which they see as the white man's religion.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:02 PM (A6vWB)
It is always a climate of hate that leads to these things, after all.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Check Out Our Humbugs at the Outrage Outlet! (Bahs not incl.) at December 21, 2014 12:02 PM (g+akU)
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 12:03 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: The KKK at December 21, 2014 12:04 PM (oKE6c)
Cop Killer Ismaaiyl Brinsley Posted Quranic Verse: 'And Strike Terror Into Their Hearts'
http://tinyurl.com/ojbgs7t
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:04 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 12:04 PM (xF71N)
Posted by: The KKK at December 21, 2014 12:04 PM (oKE6c)
Source of my rage is Barry "Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers" Soetoro getting passes on Mr 25 million and JeremiahKKK rhetoric in his memory palace....
Al Slim Shady Sharpton is a Presedential advisor...what a GREAT nation we've become.
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Da Won golfing in Hawaii at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (LImiJ)
Heh, most valid responses get covered in the first 75 comments, yet we (meaning me) persist anyway...
he'll probably fall into one of the other categories when this all shakes out.
All 3 probably in this case, or 4 when you include the inciting rhetoric, as represented by his tweets.
Blaming conservatives for "targeting" a political race is quite different than people chanting they want dead cops. If these things are totally to be dismissed, what to say about Ace's policy of banning violence posts by commentors.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (NtzGn)
Posted by: Jericho at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (JkxKs)
It looks the same to us!
Posted by: Your moderate GOPe betters at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (A6vWB)
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (MQEz6)
But actual 'kill the cops' is nothing.
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 12:06 PM (MMC8r)
This guy might just be crazy, and this was a direction for it to be pointed in, but what about all the hammer wielding types? I don think the same can be said for all of them.
Posted by: Lea is watching White Christmas. at December 21, 2014 12:06 PM (/bd0t)
They willfully lied, They assisted in scaring others , for what purpose?
The lied, so it's not like they were just informing the public on how cops, or republicans are outta control and gonna Put other citizens in Chains (biden)
or some people can't go to the gas station without being threatened by cops (Obama)
or palin asked for giffords killing (a target)
this is agitating on a national scale with the media assist.
Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 12:06 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 12:04 PM (xF71N)
Yup. The sad part is fredo/holder/DeCommio have permanently divided the races setting one against the other.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:06 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 12:07 PM (/4AZU)
My greatest fear is the day is coming-
At what point will Americans say enough! Were tired of being abused, were tired of being singled out for doing nothing wrong and why are we being demonized for something that happened long before all of us were born?
President pissy pants is doing everything in his power to bring the US to this point. I'm not sure he is going to like the results. Consider the relationship between the mayor of NYC and the NYPD. Why on earth would any of them lift a finger to save his life when he is calling them the enemy?
Posted by: gdonovan at December 21, 2014 12:07 PM (Ipxoj)
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at December 21, 2014 12:07 PM (RRbuy)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (BNIaE)
Posted by: JoeF. at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (8HGb7)
Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (dVmLD)
Obama, Holder, Sharpton, Mayor Douchebag all have blood on their hands.
Wait and see?
BULLSHIT.
I don't need to be lectured by Gabe Malor.
You've got a lot of nerve pal.
Posted by: mpfs at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (si/E8)
This guy might just be crazy, and this was a direction for it to be pointed in, but what about all the hammer wielding types? I don think the same can be said for all of them.
Posted by: Lea is watching White Christmas. at December 21, 2014 12:06 PM (/bd0t)
Actively calling for someone to burn this town down ... in the midst of a bunch of criminally-inclined people, some with containers full of gasoline.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (BXkFh)
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at December 21, 2014 12:07 PM (RRbuy)
He hasn't posted pictures of rusty bikes yet, so there's still hope.
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: JoeF. at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (8HGb7)
I have NOT read that anywhere. Assholes on Twitter yes- but in the neighborhood where it happen- NO- Not that I heard
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:33 AM (u9gzs)
So Gabe Malor makes silly, logically flawed claims, and you follow it with one that's even worse.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (bXdYS)
Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 12:10 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:10 PM (zOTsN)
Indeed...I am certain a poster say g a newsies should shit teeth is worse incitement than a Presedential buddy condoning cop killing by his refusal to confront his mob's chants....
This goes all the way to Barry and Eric....
"My people" is SUPPOSED to be "Americans" not "blacks"
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 12:10 PM (/4AZU)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (bXdYS)
Yup that pretty much sum it's up for the MSM and the intellectual elite.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:10 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Da Won golfing in Hawaii at December 21, 2014 12:10 PM (LImiJ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (nzKvP)
http://tinyurl.com/lksk8cp
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:11 PM (oKE6c)
He could've tried to kill a couple of cops in Baltimore, but he didn't. He drove to NYC.
Posted by: Jericho at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (JkxKs)
I suspect most of the cops in Baltimore look like him or his son IYKWIM.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:11 PM (u9gzs)
He then got up on that stage and said "Burn this bitch down!"
Whereupon protesters, thugs and assorted hooligans started to burn down a big chunk of Ferguson. Now, maybe they were going to burn it down anyhow, but he fired the starting pistol at a minimum.
Remember that age old First Amendment argument about shouting 'Fire' in a crowded theater? You cannot do it unless there is actually a fire.
7 HE pulled the trigger but, if anyone might be complicit, it is Louis Farrakhan, he of the "Tear this G*****m country up!" and "If they kill one of ours..." rhetoric.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM (DmNpO)
Yeah, his rhetoric, or incitement, was the most explicit coming from a 'nationally recognized leader'.
Think we will see any charges?
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 21, 2014 12:12 PM (N3zZa)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:12 PM (bXdYS)
Now you're catching on.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:12 PM (BNIaE)
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Right, it gives them religious justification for their race hate. They hate white people, but our society teaches that race hate is wrong, Islam helps them square that circle.
It's true that the cops he killed were hispanic and asian, but 1) hispanics are white, 2) it's not clear he even saw them close enough to tell their races/ethnicity -- the asian cop could have easily looked white to him.
They were probably the first cops he ran into that he could sneak up on. He saw two light-skinned cops in a cop car. I doubt he would have killed a black cop. Hard to tell.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:12 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (Zu3d9)
That is BS CBD. I have longed believed all muzzies are jihadist at heart. It is part of their phony religion.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:13 PM (u9gzs)
were tired of being singled out for doing nothing wrong and why are we
being demonized for something that happened long before all of us were
born?
Long. Train. Of. Abuses.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:13 PM (A6vWB)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:11 PM (oKE6c)
Yeah not the most reliable report. Not that I would put it past them, but nobody else is really reporting that. I'd take that report with w grain of salt
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (nzKvP)
>>Source of my rage is Barry "Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers" Soetoro getting passes on Mr 25 million and JeremiahKKK rhetoric in his memory palace....
It really is astounding to me. I'm used to lefties getting a pass in the msm, happened all my life. But the extreme rhetoric of Obama's fellow travelers and the people who raised him is a new level of deceit.
I often hear people talk about how odd it is for the American lefty community to excuse the atrocities of the Muslim jihadists because they would be the first to fall victim to them. I see it as more an enemy of my enemy is my friend. And we are the enemy of both of them, make no mistake about that.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (WlUIO)
He did not kill them
I wonder what race they were
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:15 PM (MQEz6)
It's not rhetoric bro. It's rage. It's the manifestation of a leftist worldview.
A people wholly convinced they are oppressed and are consumed with their own rage and oppression.
Posted by: Ragnar at December 21, 2014 12:15 PM (gDdDs)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:15 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 12:15 PM (LImiJ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (nzKvP)
You're right, it isn't the most reliable report, but I was providing a source apart from Twitter.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:16 PM (oKE6c)
Democrats aren't Americans. They've been telling us for 240 years.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:16 PM (A6vWB)
Really? What kind of Islam was he an adherent of? If it is NOI, then Jihad has nothing to do with it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:16 PM (Zu3d9)
cops are on their team , yet, yet .. the division will never Heal .
this is purposeful .
it is what really bugs me about everything the last few years.
it is purposeful agitation, to what gain or end?
Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 12:16 PM (nqBYe)
People like him and Sharpton and Obama and DeBlasio look at cops as the force that props up white supremacy and white privilege in America -- regardless of the race/ethnicity of the individual cop.
So they honestly will believe that a black cop, white cop, asian cop, and hispanic cop working together to arrest a black criminal ... is White Supremacy in action.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:17 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:17 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:17 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 12:18 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:18 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (g1DWB)
The Reds use the Muslims as a cat's paw. The Muslims (here) use Red agitation for "rights" as cover. It's symbiotic. Each uses the other, and thinks that when the time comes, they'll deal with the other.
Unless we deal with both of them first.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:18 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:18 PM (WlUIO)
Go back and rub more hot oil on Ed Morrissey's bsld head.
Remember their are copious martinis to imbibe at those cocktail parties in DC.
Posted by: mpfs at December 21, 2014 12:18 PM (si/E8)
The first entry from Stacy Dash
These murders are the natural result of the Jihad on cops that TheRevAl deBlasioNYC has called for. They should be held accountable.
Stacey Dash (@REALStaceyDash)
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:19 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:19 PM (Zu3d9)
That goes to my point, if you look at the responses to her. She has the intellectual capacity to be one of us and chooses to be thus, so they disown her.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (A6vWB)
Gee, choking a black man to death for selling untaxed cigarettes in lily white Staten Island certainly does nothing to enforce that perception, now does it? Not to mention using the presence of a black female sergeant to deny there was any racial animus?
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (Y92Nd)
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No, it also has a colloquial meaning. No need to play language games.
Everybody knows what is meant by the term "executed" here. We all know it didn't involve a fair trial.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (zOTsN)
Boycott those motherfuckers.
Or, if you are on such a show, call them out on it and don't accept the premise Al Sharpton should be welcome on TV.
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:19 PM (u9gzs)
As smokin' hot as she is, I don't consider her tweets to be evidence of anything.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (Zu3d9)
We swear it's true, with our hand upon the Blessed Q'uran.
D'oh!
Posted by: The MFM at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (FcR7P)
we are falsely accused all the time. and don't give them ammunition to use against us, speech laws etc..
yet , They are the ones actually inciting and agitating and causing death.
Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Mabe Galor at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (nGaMY)
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wut the derp?
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (RRbuy)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:16 PM (Zu3d9)
There were several reports I saw this morning from news sites saying he was a muzzie. Hell, look at his name.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (u9gzs)
GUNMAN EXECUTES 2 NYPD COPS AS 'REVENGE' http://drudge.tw/1vdZZpk
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (ZPrif)
This psychotic killer was a jihadist.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:33 AM (u9gzs)
So Gabe Malor makes silly, logically flawed claims, and you follow it with one that's even worse.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (Zu3d9)
Actually not. He was attending the most racial mosque in NYC. He was psychotic, he tried to kill his girl friend. He killed two cops and announced he was going to do so.Then he killed himself. Sound like a suicide terrorist to me.
So he is a psychotic killer.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (0FSuD)
Gee, choking a black man to death for selling untaxed cigarettes in lily white Staten Island certainly does nothing to enforce that perception, now does it? Not to mention using the presence of a black female sergeant to deny there was any racial animus?
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (Y92Nd)
Or, the Black female Sergeant demonstrated there was no racial animus.
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:23 PM (BNIaE)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:23 PM (zOTsN)
170 Eyewitness told th Daily Beast people were laughing and clapping in Bed Sty when it happened
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (zOTsN)
I really don't want to believe that.
Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:23 PM (WlUIO)
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Thug parents have issued a statement saying they never supported violence.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 12:23 PM (LImiJ)
Posted by: JoeF. at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (8HGb7)
I have NOT read that anywhere. Assholes on Twitter yes- but in the neighborhood where it happen- NO- Not that I heard
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (nzKvP)
You couldn't buy a brownstone in Bed-Stuy unless you had a couple million dollars cash these days.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:24 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 12:24 PM (0FSuD)
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No, it also has a colloquial meaning.
Rather like "loose" has the colloquial meaning of "lose."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:24 PM (oKE6c)
Much as the Weather Underground types used the Black Panthers.
As soon as I heard about the deal with Cuba the first thing I did was check out Bill Ayers for a comment (his grandfather was the legal counsel for Cuba after Castro's revolution and Bill Ayers' history is intertwined with Cuba in many ways). Not only did he sppoge all over himself with joy but he immediately called for the US to "keep their hand off" cop killer Joanne Chesimard who has been hiding in plain sight in Cuba for years.
Not surprising in the least.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 21, 2014 12:24 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 12:24 PM (KAmzK)
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Well and Sunnis
Posted by: Some Shiite at December 21, 2014 12:25 PM (A6vWB)
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Well, and Shiites
Posted by: Some Sunni at December 21, 2014 12:25 PM (A6vWB)
Someone should try to reach out to Stacy Dash and ask her to join us here and also some of the other babes at FOX
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (nzKvP)
IIANM she has posted here before.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:25 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:25 PM (zOTsN)
cops are on their team , yet, yet .. the division will never Heal .
this is purposeful .
it is what really bugs me about everything the last few years.
it is purposeful agitation, to what gain or end?
Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 12:16 PM (nqBYe)
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Oh, sweet Willow. Please believe those of that have from the beginning of Ogumbe's preezyness have said that his whole purpose of he and his minions is the destruction of this nation.
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 12:26 PM (xF71N)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:26 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Your MSM Betters at December 21, 2014 12:26 PM (XzRw1)
Intellectual contrarianism.
See how refined I am. See how above the masses I am. See my superior morality and intellect on display for all to read. No rushing to judgment you unwashed hick masses.
Toss off Gabe, ya hoser
Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 12:27 PM (o/3Hk)
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 12:27 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:27 PM (bXdYS)
There's a big, glaring difference here. There is no one (except for maybe some fringe, marginalized fucking whack jobs) on the right actually calling for anyone's assassination.
The protestors held signs and chanted calling for the assassination of cops right there, way out in the open.
And, "spiritual" leaders like Farrakhan actually advocated for the killing of LEOs
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 21, 2014 12:27 PM (nGaMY)
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (MQEz6)
She didn't do the choking, just looked the other way. Daniel Pantaleo had been successfully sued twice for prior unlawful, racially motivated arrests.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Buffalobob at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (w+5ie)
Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 12:24 PM (KAmzK)
Well, since I lived in MD it has become a virtual Democrat Meca so I assumed that would be so. But I did say "suspect" meaning that I did not know for sure.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:26 PM (ZPrif)
True, but they're both ignorant errors.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (oKE6c)
Is this post analogous to "remain calm, all is well!"
Am I or anyone else re-assured by this?
My cousin was a cop for well over 30 years. When he finally retired, he was only too happy to get out.
Will this make it easier or harder for police departments around the country to recruit good people to be cops? Will this make it easier or harder to have cops be "under control" in tense situations?
Rhetoric + "reality" = ????
As of this morning, I am sure a lot of NYPD guys have a different notion of the effects of rhetoric on yesterday's events.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative.... after dark at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (+1T7c)
http://tinyurl.com/njh5bp2
The 16-year-old girl was forced to have sex with more than 16 men over a week's time -- in two instances with eight men at once -- after taken outside her school on Dec. 4, authorities said.
Notice a father and son were involved. Should be castrated, gutted and then left to bleed out.
Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:29 PM (WlUIO)
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at December 21, 2014 12:29 PM (bUmSq)
One author wrote this:
Nasty rhetoric may contribute to a crazy killer or leftist killer or Islamist killer's self-justification for his actions. But it generally is not the cause of premeditated violence.
But a completely different author wrote this:
After those two issues comes my final point: much of the high-profile violence that gets blamed on conservatives actually come from folks in at least one (and sometimes more than one) category: crazy, leftist, or Islamist.
= given that leftists are motivated by leftist propaganda, and Islamists by a book.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (MQEz6)
She didn't do the choking, just looked the other way. Daniel Pantaleo had been successfully sued twice for prior unlawful, racially motivated arrests.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (Y92Nd)
Or looked right at it and saw no bad acts by the Officer.
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (MQEz6)
Media engages in batshit crazy rhetoric. Links schizos to Palin Facebook posts.
Right engages in heated, but sane, rhetoric when a leftist dirtbag acts out the violent chants of thousands of protesters calling for violence against cops -- and Media tells us we better calm down our rhetoric. And the well-fed Right does as well.
And we all know that if another black criminal gets killed in two months, or another fake rape at a college campus, the Media will go right back to their batshit insane rhetoric.
We are the only ones who ever are told to calm down. And we're told to calm down even when we're right.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (NtzGn)
Posted by: Your MSM Betters at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:31 PM (ZPrif)
That's the reason that the names of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom aren't well known. The MSM stomped down on that story as hard as they could, just like they did with the Carr brothers and the Wichita Horror.
MSM...complete bastards, the lot of them.
Posted by: mac at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (NbXjh)
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He wasn't choked to death. That's a lie. And you know it.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (MQEz6)
She denied hearing Garner's eleven pleas that he couldn't breathe as he was strangled to death.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:34 PM (zOTsN)
Lock the seven in a room with a single knife and fork. And a bottle of Chianti.
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2014 12:34 PM (FcR7P)
Yeah right asshole. Hey you meet with a guy like sharpton, you share the blame asshole. I am sure "patience" will bring much comfort to the famillies of the 2 dead Officers?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:34 PM (nzKvP)
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Ok, you're just a lying troll. Obviously.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:34 PM (ZPrif)
had been successfully sued twice for prior unlawful, racially motivated
arrests.
Or maybe she noticed he wasn't being choked. (Here's a hint: if you're really choking, you can't say "I can't breathe".)
Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 12:34 PM (KAmzK)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:35 PM (bXdYS)
Otherwise, stick to words with no ambiguity.
Like murder.
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:35 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:35 PM (WlUIO)
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (Y92Nd)
He was not strangled to death. He had a heart attack. His death was mainly due to stupid law he was violating and morbid obesity with little exercise.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:35 PM (bXdYS)
A little brandy, but don't to get into a car with anyone named Clemenza or Rocco and definitely take the cannoli
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (MQEz6)
She denied hearing Garner's eleven pleas that he couldn't breathe as he was strangled to death.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (Y92Nd)
He wasn't strangled to death.
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (MQEz6)
Not sure about motives.
Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:35 PM
Where are you seeing this?
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (bXdYS)
He was not strangled to death. If anything, the cop kneeling on him after he released his neck hold and when Garner started saying he couldn't breathe might have contributed to his death.
The real cause was his obesity, his high blood pressure, his asthma and his refusal to comply with the police when they told him he was under arrest. A situation he was well aware of given that he had previously been arrested some 30 times and he was only on the street because he was on parole.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:37 PM (zOTsN)
What evidence do you need?
Posted by: Lauren at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (IWKHs)
225 OT I got the dam flu from the youngest Minnfidel. 3 days out before the big game. Any Morons have any good remedies? This sucks!
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:35 PM (bXdYS)
Sorry, no remedies. I've just been drinking a crap load of tea and honey. 4 days into it. Hope it's gone soon.
Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (WlUIO)
Watch it Pinger or Gabe will scold you.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (BXkFh)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (bXdYS)
Drudge has it now. It's been on Yahoo all morning.
Posted by: Peaches at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (6uib1)
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM
....Had a little bourbon last night with some advil for the aches. Yea I know bad idea, but I actually got 4 whole hours of uninterrupted sleep. Of course my problems are petty compared to many. But I know the horde is good at multi tasking.
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (bXdYS)
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Shush. Thats rhetoric. And according to our betters... a little rhetoric never hurt anyone....
Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (o/3Hk)
We have been through the Garner death, many of us here had a problem of him even being arrested at all, but this post is about whether or not this was a revenge killing and whether or not he was at least partially incited by those on the left.
pssst....yes on both counts.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (NtzGn)
I will not rest until I find the youtube video that did this...
Posted by: If I Had A Son He'd... at December 21, 2014 12:39 PM (FcR7P)
What evidence do you need?
Posted by: Lauren at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (IWKHs)
Thank you, Lauren, I was just about to chime in with that. Perhaps the only tweets gabe reads are his own. Jeez.
Posted by: Peaches at December 21, 2014 12:39 PM (6uib1)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:31 PM (ZPrif)
One I share with Merriam-Webster:
Full Definition of EXECUTE
transitive verb
1
: to carry out fully : put completely into effect <execute a command>
2
: to do what is provided or required by <execute a decree>
3
: to put to death especially in compliance with a legal sentence
4
: to make or produce (as a work of art) especially by carrying out a design
5
: to perform what is required to give validity to <execute a deed>
6
: play <execute a piece of music>
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:39 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: America As We Once Knew It at December 21, 2014 12:39 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (ZPrif)
A NYC medical examiner called it "homicide" and specifically from neck compressions from the police's chokehold and "the compression of Garner's chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by the police".
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:40 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 12:40 PM (xF71N)
Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM
............You too eh? It sucks, I want to be around family at Christmas. We have Rellie's coming tomorrow to stay and I am stuck in the spare bedroom like a quarantined Ebola patient.
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:40 PM (bXdYS)
Where are you seeing this?
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (bXdYS)
http://tinyurl.com/lqrxkmz
The shooting occurred around 3 a.m. on December 21, at Glen's Eureka Apartments on Grand Boulevard in Tarpon Springs. Police were originally called out for a noise ordinance complaint as the suspect was banging on residential doors. When police arrived the suspect shot Kondek and then attempted to flee in a vehicle, but crashed his car into a pole and then a truck at Athens and Cross S
Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:40 PM (WlUIO)
FOX NEWS
This NK stuff is a real distraction to Fredo and his golf game after all
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:41 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:41 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Peaches at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (6uib1)
Posted by: helloit's me Donna and I know nuthink! at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (Bn6aD)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (bXdYS)
Cops are not like Obama, they are supposed to enforce all laws that are on the books.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (u9gzs)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 12:43 PM (BXkFh)
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You aren't helping your case here, dude. I don't want to argue it with you. We all know what is meant when we see the word "executed" in a headline, ok?
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (ZPrif)
Ummmm, yeah....Santa wanted to test out the game. That's why it's opened already.
Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (WlUIO)
Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (o/3Hk)
Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (BXkFh)
Cops are not like Obama, they are supposed to enforce all laws that are on the books.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (u9gzs)
The cops in NYC might get a bit more selective regarding enforcement from now on.
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (MQEz6)
It sounds like it could have been a set up. We'll see. RIP and prayers to the officers family.
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (bXdYS)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:45 PM (oKE6c)
Here's some "nuance". The guy killed his gf a few days before this attack. My bet is after he killed the girlfriend he decided "fuck it, I'm going down, and I'm taking some of those "pigs" with me". Just like that killer who killed his wife and then went and plowed over a random prolifer with his car.
Posted by: Lauren at December 21, 2014 12:45 PM (IWKHs)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2014 12:45 PM (NtzGn)
Posted by: America As We Once Knew It at December 21, 2014 12:46 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: GnuBreed, posting from alternate Universe Cloud9Cuckoo at December 21, 2014 12:46 PM (N3zZa)
People do talk about execution style killings when they mean something along the lines of delivering a coup de grace. Ambush would have been a better choice of term, but 'execute' is not the slaughter of the english language some of you are making it out to be.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:46 PM (A6vWB)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:47 PM (bXdYS)
Posted by: Infidel at December 21, 2014 12:47 PM (1YT1i)
Posted by: Samuel Oliver Caleb Kingsley at December 21, 2014 12:47 PM (jucos)
He wants the white people to have a patient dialogue and the black people to burn buildings down.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2014 12:48 PM (NtzGn)
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:48 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 21, 2014 12:49 PM (FMbng)
I think he shot his girlfriend the day of the attack and she's still around. Or at least that was the latest I thought I'd heard last night.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:49 PM (A6vWB)
His Instagram posts outlined his reasons, as others said previously This guy was a thug of the first order, and probably relished the idea of killing police officers. That said, if the rhetoric was not a factor, why not kill some Maryland cops instead of driving 4-5 hours north to kill members of the NYPD?
Come on, Gabe; you're better than this.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 21, 2014 12:49 PM (WcdlL)
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Now you're just makig shit up.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 12:50 PM (OBxdH)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 12:50 PM (NeFrd)
Rhetoric didn't cause the American Revolution. But we didn't get to the point of having a bunch of angry colonists willing to take their cause to the field of battle by everyone sitting around silently. Rhetoric was employed that made the idea of fighting to be separate broadly enough accepted that the population was willing to join the fight.
Posted by: f2000 at December 21, 2014 12:51 PM (ONKYQ)
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (u9gzs)
This cop decided to use a banned chokehold to arrest a man who had just broken up a fight.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:51 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: New phone at December 21, 2014 12:51 PM (lBxPk)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:45 PM
..................Malakaliki Maka and Fore!!!!!!! 16 day vacations are a bitch.
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:52 PM (bXdYS)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (ZPrif)
Of course I know what they mean. I also know what gate agents mean when they say we'll be boarding a plane momentarily. They don't mean we'll board the plane for a moment, and then rush back off again. They are conveying that we'll be boarding soon, and that they're ignorant.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:52 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 12:50 PM (OBxdH)
Not according to the NYC medical examiner.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Pingger at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (jucos)
I'm beginning to wonder. This guy posted what he was going to do. Kill 2 of theirs for one of his.
Nice job for inciting from the JEF, Sharpton, Farakahn, Jackson, and on and on and on.
Posted by: Infidel at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (1YT1i)
And he was a good boy. He waz turnin' his life around.
Posted by: Mama's Meme at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (NeFrd)
Sounds like this really fat guy being on the ground with cops on his back stressed his heart. But he did have a heart attack. He was alive when he left the scene. You can argue about if they should've tackled him when he resisted arrest, but you can't argue he was choked to death
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (zOTsN)
Ah ok. I just briefly saw her mentioned in a story. I still think it's likely shooting her led him to decide to go ahead and kill the cops, but maybe it was totally unrelated and he had planned the cop killing first.
Posted by: Lauren at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (IWKHs)
Now, you can blame people for inciting murder ("What do we want? Dead cops!") or perhaps even for studiously turning a blind eye to incitement to murder.
Especially given the Giffords Standard, where conservatives can be blamed for inciting someone to murder without sharing any viewpoint or motivation whatsoever with the offender.
Doubly so as under the Giffords Standard there is no need for any actual incitement to take place.
Posted by: okes431@gmail.com at December 21, 2014 12:54 PM (zv0U+)
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (MQEz6)
They certainly don't seem to like the mayor.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:54 PM (Y92Nd)
off the carotid artery sending blood to the brain. You smart military
blog readers should know this stuff.
Don't look at me, I generate form letters. I would point out to really half-smart idiots like yourself that one of the symptoms of a heart attack is the feeling of being unable to breath. This is not because your trachea or lungs are compressed - though your lungs may be fairly full of fluid - but because your heart is not pumping enough to oxygenate your brain.
But you with your PhD in Physiology and Law Enforcement from John Hopkins probably know that already so I bow to your greater knowledge.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 21, 2014 12:54 PM (t//F+)
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 12:55 PM (xF71N)
Well, into various opposing camps. It may be a big serving of civil unrest is part of the plan to remake 'merica. Obama is following a plan, like a community organizer or a General far from the front he tells others and others do.
You what happens and what he says are alternate universes.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 21, 2014 12:55 PM (WNERA)
verdict, ...
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:55 PM (oKE6c)
He was saying "I can't breathe" after the "choke hold" was released (go ahead, watch the video, I'll wait). He was not squeaking it out like a tasty mouse morsel in the clutches of a boa as you suggest. He wasn't saying "I can't breathe" because of the choke hold, he couldn't breathe (comfortably) because he was in respiratory distress due to his asthma, his health, his weight and the prone position they left him in.
Posted by: f2000 at December 21, 2014 12:55 PM (ONKYQ)
Posted by: Samuel Oliver Caleb Kingsley at December 21, 2014 12:55 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 21, 2014 12:56 PM (WNERA)
I think it's a waste of time and energy. There's just no explaining crazy. It's like nailing Jello to the wall.
People still do bad stuff to other people. None of it will ever stop. But if someone is in the business of controlling what other think, it's very important to mislead people, as the link shows.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 12:56 PM (0HooB)
I have enough of this for today. Too bad that the 2 NYPD officers can't sign off and go home. May they RIP. The rest of the agitators can go straight to hell.
P.S. Never hire Malor to represent me in court. I'd end up behind bars.
Posted by: mpfs at December 21, 2014 12:56 PM (si/E8)
Homicide does not mean murder.
And I've been choked to unconsciousness. What you're describing simple isn't true, but I suspect you know that already.
Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 12:56 PM (KAmzK)
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Bullshit. No where does the ME report claim he "colud force air out but not in".
That would be a lie.... and you would be a liar.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 12:56 PM (o/3Hk)
Too bad Gabe couldn't drag Ted Cruz and the shutdown into it.
Give it time.
Why does he still post here?
Posted by: Your MSM Betters at December 21, 2014 12:57 PM (XzRw1)
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A guy who spouts off this much should recognize that the cop used a sleeper hold and not a choke hold and should know the difference.
Posted by: New phone at December 21, 2014 12:57 PM (UD3QL)
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 12:57 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 12:57 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:57 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (MQEz6)
.............Well they pretty much stated that in the PBA statement saying that two squads would respond to ANY call regardless of priority and that they will not be arresting ANYONE UNLESS absolutely necessary. NY is about to get their wish of not having aggressive enforcement of the law. Enjoy your 45 minute call time fuckers. Too bad you can't have guns to defend yourself.
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:57 PM (bXdYS)
Posted by: Hans Gruber at December 21, 2014 12:58 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Zombie Ed Koch at December 21, 2014 12:59 PM (MMC8r)
Oh for Pete's sake, Gabe.
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 12:59 PM (dFi94)
He unconditionally condemns the decision to bench Jay Cutler.
Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2014 12:59 PM (dVmLD)
http://tinyurl.com/ltavtrj
http://tinyurl.com/kj8qk63
Posted by: Bo Bo at December 21, 2014 12:59 PM (Khb5L)
Garner weighed 350 lbs. not 600 lbs. But five cops sitting on his back didn't help his lungs or his heart.
Regardless, there was no cause to arrest him, no need to restrain him in that manner and likewise no reason once he was cuffed the EMT couldn't treat him. It's all on video and heartbreaking to watch.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 01:00 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at December 21, 2014 01:00 PM (xInes)
When do we want it? NOW!
If this is "tough rhetoric", clearly I've been doing it all fucking wrong.
Posted by: Beefy Meatball at December 21, 2014 01:01 PM (bUmSq)
white
As everyone knows, a Tea Party, Nazi, Constitutionalist
Conservative, talk radio listener, Founding Father loving, John Bircher,
Stormfronter, anti-IRS, government hating wack-job.
and a skin head
That's a bonus.
A meme that has been cemented, oddly, by the violent rhetoric of the Democrat Party and der statzmedia....
Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 21, 2014 01:02 PM (XO6WW)
You can see his forearm across Garner's throat.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 01:02 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 01:02 PM (XzRw1)
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:03 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 01:04 PM (u9gzs)
Ask a different question: is there a high correlation between provocative rhetoric from government officials, celebrities and media types and violence? Now what's the answer?
I am beyond being "fair" to those who undermine our way of life. I have no problem charging DeBlasio with "causing" the murders. Let him explain it. Let him make Gabe's argument in public and see how that goes. Make them own their BS over and over and over again.
Dave's argument in the gun thread about NY's heralded gun control regime should also be repeated endlessly. Cuomo should be confronted about this too. Everyone of those jerks.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 21, 2014 01:04 PM (kNwE7)
I don't think Not-too-Sharpton is capable of much in the way of thought. Unless he can shake someone down for some of that sweet cash and get his ego stroked.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 01:04 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at December 21, 2014 01:00 PM (xInes)
Garner was not breaking any laws when he was arrested. If "resisting arrest" is a death sentence, then you can see why the police are so popular now.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 01:04 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2014 01:05 PM (W5DcG)
Hell, I'll bet he couldn't sleep last night just waiting to get in front of a the MFM cameras.
Posted by: Hans Gruber at December 21, 2014 01:05 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 01:05 PM (bXdYS)
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 21, 2014 01:05 PM (kNwE7)
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:06 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 01:02 PM (XzRw1)
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Watch him get SS protection.
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 01:06 PM (xF71N)
BUT NONE OF THAT JUSTIFYS MURDERING TWO COPS AS THEY SAT IN THEIR CAR
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:06 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: King Henry at December 21, 2014 01:06 PM (kNwE7)
Posted by: free tibet, etc. at December 21, 2014 01:07 PM (lAXNl)
Posted by: TexasJew at December 21, 2014 01:08 PM (xCalZ)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:08 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at December 21, 2014 01:09 PM (xInes)
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 01:09 PM (xF71N)
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:09 PM (MMC8r)
As to the hold. It's still not the prohibited chokehold. He came up under the armpit. Learn up
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:10 PM (zOTsN)
Personally I think the cop killer was a crazy who was influenced by Sharpton and MSNBC to direct his anger at their hate target du jour -cops.
Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2014 01:11 PM (cbfNE)
He was a killer who chose two of his targets because of rhetoric.
And that rhetoric was NOT "political speech," as some on the Right have asserted. It was hate speech steeped in lies.
I gotta wonder if the targets were gays on the heels of a false accusation of gay-on-straight violence if your response would be so sanguine.
Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 01:12 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:12 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 01:12 PM (9BRsg)
claiming that rhetoric "caused" this thug to murder a couple of cops in
cold blood? I don't think so. Like most everything, there are multiple
causes.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 21, 2014 01:04 PM (kNwE7)
+1
Gabe uses flabby logic, and a strikingly simplistic straw man argument.
Hang around in DC for a few years and you will be as confused as he is.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 01:12 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 21, 2014 01:13 PM (wr4LJ)
Sources told our CBS affiliate in New York that detectives are making
their way to Baltimore tonight to meet with police and look into
whether Brinsley had any connection with the Black Guerilla Family.
BGF is a powerful Maryland gang, notoriously known for corrupting the Baltimore City Detention Center.
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Neighbor sees FedEx deliver a few cases of ammo to white guy- SWAT Team deploys copters, flash bangs, and pet shootings.
Black terrorist gang implicated in felonies to include murders- Investigate.
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 01:13 PM (XzRw1)
But this dude specifically traveled to NYC to kill members of the police department (falsely, I think) accused of murdering a black gang member (like himself). And he told us why.
SMDH
Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 01:15 PM (9BRsg)
Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2014 01:15 PM (sdi6R)
That fear is why newspapers won't ID black criminals but will white criminals -- an irrational fear that right-wingers are a couple crazy angry speeches away from joining the KKK en masse.
So every time the Right gets legitimately angry -- at say some cops getting executed in broad daylight -- they see their role as trying to calm the savage beast.
It's transparent and annoying.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 01:16 PM (ZPrif)
You might even call their lies 'rhetoric.'
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:17 PM (MMC8r)
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heh - "No Running! The sign clearly says No Running, people! Come on, you guys!! No Running!!
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 01:18 PM (ZPrif)
Excellent point.
I am no fan of police overreach, and the level of violence directed at citizens among many police departments is a national disgrace. But that is appropriately dealt with in the courts and the legislatures and local oversight.
Any comments from our public figures that suggest anything other than a strictly lawful method of dealing with this problem is incitement.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 01:18 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:10 PM (zOTsN)
I just watched the video again and you're being highly selective. When he initially took him down one arm was around his neck, and the other under his arm. When the officer has him on the ground, his left arm is against Garner's neck and the right arm is holding it in place. It is not under the armpit.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 01:20 PM (mx5oN)
And put down that stick! Someone's going to lose an eye!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 01:22 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 01:22 PM (dFi94)
Hogwash. This post is plain hogwash.
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 01:22 PM (dFi94)
Water's wet, sky's blue, Obama's a liar.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 01:23 PM (mx5oN)
332 Pinger I am glad you have now dropped the claims of choking. He was resisting. He was a big guy with multiple health issues. It is a valid argument to talk about the priority selling loosies should have
BUT NONE OF THAT JUSTIFYS MURDERING TWO COPS AS THEY SAT IN THEIR CAR
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:06 PM (zOTsN)
Pretty obvious that pinger would claim that if a guy ran a red light and a cop tried to pull him over and he kept driving to avoid a ticket and eventually wrecked and died, pinger would be throwing out stupidity asking if running a red light deserved a death sentence. Dumbass.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2014 01:23 PM (GULKT)
we all know the answer to this one don't we?
notice that there is no blog post on the guy who went around asking gay bakers to bake pro hetero marriage cakes and the reaction of the bakers.
too much against the narrative
Posted by: fromabroad at December 21, 2014 01:24 PM (rnV3B)
Posted by: Boa constrictor squeezing a 350 lb mouse at December 21, 2014 01:24 PM (NeFrd)
need to restrain him in that manner and likewise no reason once he was
cuffed the EMT couldn't treat him. It's all on video and heartbreaking
to watch.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 01:00 PM (Y92Nd)
NO REASON? Have you read ANYTHING about this? He was out on bail for THE SAME offense.
HELLO????
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 01:25 PM (0FSuD)
The people chanting, "What do we want? Dead cops!" got EXACTLY what they wanted.
Gabe has spent too long in a city where too many people make too many declarations they never intend to act on. Like the GOP listening to Obama and the Democrats, he just can't believe the bastards are dead serious.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 21, 2014 01:25 PM (XO6WW)
BUT NONE OF THAT JUSTIFYS MURDERING TWO COPS AS THEY SAT IN THEIR CAR
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:06 PM (zOTsN)
I don't know Pinger from Adam's housecat, but this bothers me. At what point did Pinger ever say or even suggest this?
Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 01:25 PM (mx5oN)
The killer said he was killing cops because of racist cops killing unarmed black men as part of a 2fer revenge strategy. "They take one of ours, we take two of theirs" pretty much sums it up unless you really want to find three-dimensional chess explanations.
The rest of the argument is just sophistry and hair-splitting. I don't think any (or at least many) of us are arguing that "What do we want - Dead Cops" rhetoric was the prime mover "cause" of these deaths. But it played a role.
The cheering for dead cops crossed a line. The constant race-baiting, gas-canning and over-the-top rhetoric is irresponsible and contributes to this happening.
Does that mean we should regulate this kind of speech beyond what we do now? No, but we should criticize, socially shun and stigmatize those who let their mouths run off like that. They're deeply wrong and what they're saying is quite immoral. And there's a reason why incitement to violence and advocacy of violence are legal offenses. Yes that toes a difficult line and their use should be limited to clear violations, but at some point we've agreed as a society that saying "kill them" is sanctionable in and of itself under certain circumstances.
There's no need for concern-trolling our dot-connecting on this. This isn't McVeigh or Loughner. What Gabe is doing here is similar to the Australian search for anything but Islam in the recent hostage taking. As with this case, the perp there couldn't have been more clear about where he was coming from, but some people just don't want to hear what the bad guys are saying.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 01:25 PM (QKIQb)
Unless its a school shooter, then its the fault of the NRA, Bible-toters and gun manufacturers...
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 21, 2014 01:26 PM (uSAVP)
I was wondering when the pet would make an appearance.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 21, 2014 01:26 PM (Q65Aw)
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 21, 2014 01:27 PM (nGaMY)
***
He didn't say "Can't Breathe." He clearly said, "To Blaaaaave", which we all know means to bluff. So he probably got involved with some ruffians in a poker game.
Posted by: Miracle Max at December 21, 2014 01:27 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Miracle Max at December 21, 2014 01:27 PM (NeFrd)
Liar! Liar LIIIIAAARRR!!!!
Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 01:27 PM (mx5oN)
He didn't say "Can't Breathe." He clearly said, "To Blaaaaave", which we all know means to bluff. So he probably got involved with some ruffians in a poker game.
Posted by: Miracle Max at December 21, 2014 01:27 PM (NeFrd)
LIAR!!!
Posted by: Valerie at December 21, 2014 01:28 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 01:29 PM (mx5oN)
And he wasn't choking because he was speaking. He was not choked. The better argument is whether the law against selling loosies should be changed to a ticket and not arrest.
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:29 PM (zOTsN)
I KEEEEL YOU!!!
Posted by: grammar nazi at December 21, 2014 11:47 AM (AbfZY)
Is it wrong that I spewed coffee on my monitor when I read this?
Gabe, you often make good points with your posts. This is not one of them. You totally screwed the pooch on this, by both blaming conservatives for getting upset when we are wrongly accused of inciting violence, when it's merely the Left's contortions of our words to accuse us wrongly, and by not accepting the fact that the Left does seek violence against those who say no to their ambitions, and are willing to incite the minions with their words.
Posted by: Moki at December 21, 2014 01:30 PM (bAB8f)
I don't think Gabe even reads the comments.
Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2014 01:30 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Kreplach at December 21, 2014 01:30 PM (Q65Aw)
Posted by: Jukin at December 21, 2014 01:31 PM (WGm5T)
Um, no, you're flat wrong about that.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 01:33 PM (mx5oN)
Time for a case of the Blue-Flu.
Posted by: Iblis at December 21, 2014 01:35 PM (9221z)
One demands people stop things they dislike , big gulping, salt eating smoking losers
Rigth?\
need the police to enforce their ideas for the
children!
How about quit shoving laws on people where everything , even silly shit becomes enforeable?
one would say well police don't have to enforce This law.
I say do you want the Police to decide what should be enforced?
Is that a good idea?
so we don't want G-d police.
But ..
nevermind!
Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 01:37 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:37 PM (zOTsN)
the left to the point where "progressive" protestors can now openly
call for the assassination of their political enemies."
That's part of my point as well. In the 1980's and even well into the 90's, this kind of thing was much less tolerated. You can't force-feed critical theory cultural Marxist America-bashing to generation after generation without bad results. The whole reason the New School intellectuals pushed this tripe was to cause social unrest, violence and ultimate collapse.
Education and media own social disintegration and its consequences. I don't have a problem pointing that finger. But as Costanza touched on above, Gabe's a reliable barometer for establishment fears of the morally and culturally assertive Right. When we act up, their liberal friends criticize them and they have to go into distancing mode. This piece is symptomatic of that knee-jerk need to please the PC tolerance police. It's preemptive tribal signaling that "I'm with you guys, not the wingnuts."
Hope this helps with the career; Gabe. Not doing much for your cred, though.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 01:38 PM (QKIQb)
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:41 PM (MMC8r)
Such movements attract fantasists and fabulists who are more susceptible to justifying anti-social behavior. The psychology of the SJW crowd is that they lie and criminalize the object of their rage to form a Permission Structure.
Meanwhile, Const. Conservatives rely on Law & Order as the basis for their activism. Not ginned up outrage.
Posted by: Kirk at December 21, 2014 01:42 PM (GBnWt)
and zimmerman, a guy should just take his lumps, that's what he gets for guarding the neighbors.
Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 01:43 PM (nqBYe)
Pretty much the thesis of Coulter's book "Demonic." They're all about mob psychology. I'm less of a Coulter fan on some issues these days, but she's spot on in that book.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 01:44 PM (QKIQb)
You can argue if that is too severe a response to selling loosies but it wasn't the prohibited choke hold and he was speaking so he wasn't choked
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:46 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Mabe Galor at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (nGaMY)
Actually, that's correct. For much the same reason you can't make salt saltier.
Posted by: jwpaine at December 21, 2014 01:46 PM (a3NCX)
Posted by: Emanual Goldstein at December 21, 2014 01:48 PM (WGm5T)
outrage is that the perp is always, ALWAYS named while the two police
officers, Liu and Ramos, are just generally referred to as police
officers - sometimes more specifically as NYPD police officers. Stop
giving the perp press and glory-please refer to him in some non-personal
manner. Personal obscurity for this jerk is in order.
Posted by: rabidfox at December 21, 2014 01:50 PM (COIkl)
Gabriel, what you are saying defies common sense.
The lying media "hands up" narrative had nothing to do with their being assassinated? Al Sharpton attending rallies and marching with people who call for cops to get killed?
YES THERE IS A CONNECTION.
It was just a matter of time.
Posted by: Village Idiot at December 21, 2014 01:50 PM (bf86X)
Posted by: Emanual Goldstein at December 21, 2014 01:48 PM (WGm5T)
***
I hate you!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:51 PM (NeFrd)
how about clearing the books of laws that needlessly exist?
or make use of citations instead of jail or force needed to enforce?
sorry swinging at the moon i guess.
anyway i look at it Garner's death was a tragedy, He was stupid and the law (enforceable)was stupid.
mho
Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 01:52 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:52 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:53 PM (NeFrd)
Here, the killer said his motivation was payback. That doesn't rule out a mental health issue, but it clearly doesn't rule out incitement as a factor or the factor. Are you saying that even without the public reaction to Garner, this guy would have come up from Baltimore yesterday to kill these two officers?
Posted by: duke at December 21, 2014 01:54 PM (enhDu)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:52 PM (NeFrd)
Okay, I'm done now.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:53 PM
That's only ONE minute, Citizen.
Posted by: Big Brother at December 21, 2014 01:54 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:55 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 01:55 PM (nqBYe)
He has spies that report back to him.
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:41 PM (MMC8r)
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Are they hawt like 007?
Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2014 01:57 PM (cbfNE)
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Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:52 PM (NeFrd)
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Okay, I'm done now. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:53 PM (NeFrd)
*****
I think I completed my allotted time.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:57 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 02:01 PM (XzRw1)
See you tomorrow? Same time?
Posted by: Emanual Goldstein at December 21, 2014 02:04 PM (WGm5T)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 21, 2014 02:06 PM (lG2E3)
Huh, dictators, always so vain.
Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2014 02:06 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Huggy at December 21, 2014 02:07 PM (PGh+Q)
Yes but I don't think it will last very long. Taking down some high tension lines going into blue hell holes will turn the savages on themselves. Outer Limits showed us how to do it. Of course the black police departments will keep the calm like they did in NOLA during Katrina.
Posted by: Jukin at December 21, 2014 02:08 PM (WGm5T)
Posted by: Huggy at December 21, 2014 02:18 PM (PGh+Q)
Posted by: Supreme Being at December 21, 2014 02:19 PM (SJ184)
Gabe's a J.D.and I think he went to school here in the People's Republic of CA so I'll refer to the CA legal standards. Rhetoric wasn't a "but-for" cause of the shootings, but it was a "substantial factor." In a civil case, that's all you need. I don't support civil liability for dirtbags like Sharpton in this case, because of free speech protections, but it's another reason why Sharpton should be a pariah, not a messiah.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 02:26 PM (QKIQb)
I don't support civil liability for dirtbags like Sharpton in this case, because of free speech protections, but it's another reason why Sharpton should be a pariah, not a messiah.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 02:26 PM (QKIQb)
And it's the media who keeps holding Sharpton up as a spokesman. If they ignored him, what influence would he have?
His credibility has been zero since the Tawana Brawley incident, and he has blood on his hands from the Crown Heights riots. Yet none of that seems to bother the media.
Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2014 02:45 PM (sdi6R)
watch cheeks puff out quickly
he was not choked ... asthma meant he wasn't getting enough air
"Asthma is a disorder that causes the airways of the lungs to swell
and narrow, leading to wheezing, shortness of breath, chest tightness,
and coughing."
Posted by: Illiniwek at December 21, 2014 02:51 PM (+/zkf)
Was Gabe out sick the day they covered that?
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I guess we would need to know the definition of incitement and the evidence needed for conviction beyond a reasonable doubt under NY law.
You didn't provide that information, so your post is unconvincing.
Ace had a post a few days ago about this sort of thing.
Posted by: jbarntt at December 21, 2014 03:00 PM (OtTZd)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 21, 2014 03:43 PM (RZzX3)
The United States per Gabe
1. Open explicit calls to riot, kill cops and burn cities: not incitement.
2. Some random at a Tea Party meet-up wears a homemade button with a inkjet picture of Marco Rubio wearing a sombrero: a vile racist act that only serves to inspire those that hate and may incite them to violence.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 21, 2014 04:00 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 21, 2014 04:22 PM (XO6WW)
He was stopped by two con Ed workers before he got to the subway
He did not kill them
I wonder what race they were
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (zOTsN)
If that is true, those were two brave humans. No matter what race, they showed some real gut-level courage.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Check Out Our Humbugs at the Outrage Outlet! (Bahs not incl.) at December 21, 2014 04:59 PM (g+akU)
Posted by: Ernst blofeld at December 21, 2014 05:51 PM (qT49E)
Because that is never a problem for the left/media. Doesn't matter if a shooter was inspired by something, or even heard what is supposed to have inspired him, or if the shooter is, as usually turns out, a leftist nut. The right is blamed, Republicans are blamed, the Tea Party is blamed, gun owners are blamed.
But at least this carries on the tradition here of being spineless candy-assed wimps, unless you are dead wrong, in which can certainty often attaches.
Posted by: Adjoran at December 21, 2014 09:18 PM (QIQ6j)
Posted by: stpaulchuck at December 22, 2014 12:25 PM (BTILg)
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