Tough Rhetoric Does Not Cause Violence

I see folks handing around the Tweetable Guide To Media Myths And Left-wing Violence in the wake of the murder of Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu yesterday. Some folks are sending it around in protest of the claims from media and the authorities that anti-police rhetoric should not take the blame for this atrocity. But that's not quite the point of the Tweetable Guide.

My problem with media coverage of violence is that the media and sometimes even public authorities reflexively and without any evidence blame conservatives and conservative ideas for violence. And that ignorant blaming of conservatives always seems to turn out to be incorrect later. After those two issues comes my final point: much of the high-profile violence that gets blamed on conservatives actually come from folks in at least one (and sometimes more than one) category: crazy, leftist, or Islamist.

Nasty rhetoric may contribute to a crazy killer or leftist killer or Islamist killer's self-justification for his actions. But it generally is not the cause of premeditated violence. We should be cautious about blaming the anti-police rhetoric that followed the grand jury verdicts in Ferguson and on Staten Island without more evidence. That's what the media does to us and it usually turns out wrong.

If it is true that Ismaaiyl Brinsley was motivated by rhetoric then that is a really big deal. But I don't know why he killed those police officers and neither do you yet. Generally, however, rhetoric doesn't just set somebody off. Wait for more facts. And, if you're betting, he'll probably fall into one of the other categories when this all shakes out.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 11:23 AM




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1 You fail to mention the thug was a Muslim.


Gee, wonder why the media is ignoring this fact?


If he was white and a skin head, trust me, it would be in the MSM.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:25 AM (0FSuD)

2 But it generally is not the cause of premeditated violence.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 11:23 AM

Possibly, although it would be extremely difficult to find clear causation.

But I would argue that the nasty rhetoric is very possibly the catalyst for increased levels of violence.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 11:28 AM (Zu3d9)

3 white

As everyone knows, a Tea Party, Nazi, Constitutionalist Conservative, talk radio listener, Founding Father loving, John Bircher, Stormfronter, anti-IRS, government hating wack-job.

and a skin head

That's a bonus.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizarro World at December 21, 2014 11:29 AM (UtwNa)

4 If its true the killer is part of a prison gang that called for cops to be killed then we have the motive

Posted by: ginaswo at December 21, 2014 11:30 AM (2EgyQ)

5 Oh, and by the way, the NY Post says the Black Muslim gunman had an "automatic" pistol.



Boy, sure wish the cops had those mystical guns.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:30 AM (0FSuD)

6 Well Gabe, I'm guessing you're not one of those that would just go out and win one for the Gipper.

Be sure, mind you, that if someone has enough testosterone in them, words can build up feelings and turn them into action. It happens all the time, it's coaches jobs to use words to create action. Heck, it's the Inman's jobs to as well, Obummer does it as well.

Yes, it is very much likely that those two cops would still be alive today if it wasn't for triggering rhetoric.

Posted by: doug at December 21, 2014 11:31 AM (IYEs/)

7 You fail to mention the thug was a Muslim.

***

He was a Muslim, but there's no indication that his religion had anything to do with this. He appears to be just a thug... a lousy, no-good, lacking-in-value animal without self-restraint or respect for human life.

HE pulled the trigger but, if anyone might be complicit, it is Louis Farrakhan, he of the "Tear this G*****m country up!" and "If they kill one of ours..." rhetoric.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM (DmNpO)

8 Remember post Giffords shooting how it was 'rhetoric' that motivated Laurier who is clearly insane?

I take your point Gabe but don't be blind when it really IS incitement to murder

Chanting we want dead cops is not going to bring a good result and DeBlasio is a huge part of the problem

Sharp ton Freddy Fashion Mart riots were incited by rhetoric

Posted by: ginaswo at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM (2EgyQ)

9 /lautner

Posted by: ginaswo at December 21, 2014 11:33 AM (2EgyQ)

10 This psychotic killer was a jihadist.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:33 AM (u9gzs)

11 He told us why


Isn't that enough

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 11:34 AM (zOTsN)

12 @7

I respectfully disagree. See this from Insty.



http://tinyurl.com/mbuamdq



He was a thug and he planned to kill cops. His instagram messages makes that VERY clear.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:35 AM (0FSuD)

13 The two Instagram posts he made 4 hours prior to the shootings make clear that he's about to take out some cops as revenge for the Brown and Garner cases.

Now that may not be the ONLY cause for his actions, but it damn sure was A cause.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (N3zZa)

14 I guess his posts about "revenge" don't matter in this debate?

Posted by: TexasJew at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (P+WEA)

15 I guess his posts about "revenge" don't matter in this debate?

Posted by: TexasJew at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (P+WEA)

16 Repeat from stomped thread:


I read one article this morning that said the killer AH was associated
with some kind of gang in MD. I still blame Obama, Holder, Sharpton, and
the MFM at large. My feeling is this guy was already a borderline
psychotic and the hate speech from the individuals above combined with
the outright lies put out (and still being put out( by the MFM pushed
him over the line.



But the big question is that if he was doing it as revenge for Ferguson and the NYC black, why did he shoot his GF first?

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (u9gzs)

17 8 Remember post Giffords shooting how it was 'rhetoric' that motivated Laurier who is clearly insane?

I take your point Gabe but don't be blind when it really IS incitement to murder

Chanting we want dead cops is not going to bring a good result and DeBlasio is a huge part of the problem

Sharp ton Freddy Fashion Mart riots were incited by rhetoric


What You said...





Posted by: ginaswo at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM

Posted by: helloit's me Donna and I know nuthink! at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (Bn6aD)

18 After those two issues, comes my final point: much of the high-profile violence that gets blamed on conservatives actually come from folks in at least one (and sometimes more than one) category: crazy, leftist, or Islamist.


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Don't kid yourself, Gabe. It's all becoming one and the same.

Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (xF71N)

19 But if you write here that it's time to start killing journalists to pull a Moslem on them, you'll get in trouble.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 21, 2014 11:37 AM (AbfZY)

20 Sharp ton Freddy Fashion Mart riots were incited by rhetoric



Posted by: ginaswo at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM (2EgyQ)


THIS!! EIGHT DEAD!


http://tinyurl.com/bo9cok6

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:37 AM (0FSuD)

21 13 The two Instagram posts he made 4 hours prior to the shootings make clear that he's about to take out some cops as revenge for the Brown and Garner cases.

Now that may not be the ONLY cause for his actions, but it damn sure was A cause.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (N3zZa)

of course! why does Malor say "we don't know"?

Posted by: avi at December 21, 2014 11:37 AM (viqX2)

22 We want dead cops is not 'tough rhetoric', it is incitement to violence

DeBlasio met with the 'leadership' of that group while he helped label NYPD as bad, vsludated the 'tough rhetoric' and basically left NYPD to be targets who clearly have no support from the City leadership

God Bless those officers and their families

Posted by: ginaswo at December 21, 2014 11:38 AM (2EgyQ)

23 I'm fairly certain there was a strong outside influence that guided the thug into doing what he did from many sources.

Posted by: Gmac- who is tired of all this at December 21, 2014 11:38 AM (baiNQ)

24 Ah BULLSHIT Gabe open your eyes and ears. The fucker said he was out to gun down 2 cops to get back for Brown and Garner. Christ Gabe this is probably your weakest argument ever. And your a Lawyer?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:38 AM (nzKvP)

25 But the big question is that if he was doing it as revenge for Ferguson and the NYC black, why did he shoot his GF first?

Maybe she was trying to stop him?

Posted by: Infidel at December 21, 2014 11:38 AM (1YT1i)

26 But the big question is that if he was doing it as revenge for Ferguson and the NYC black, why did he shoot his GF first?


Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (u9gzs)



NO BJ?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:39 AM (0FSuD)

27 Tough Rhetoric?

Just when we need Charlie Bronson.


Can you imagine the various scenarios with a persona like "kill 2 cops we kill twenty thug life's"...

And it is always the fringe idiots incited by the Sharpton's and other Black figure heads, who get caught up in the vortex, of the lie's.

Fragmented people of America

Posted by: Handel Schmandel at December 21, 2014 11:39 AM (/WmRg)

28 He was also selling kill Zimmerman shirts online.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 21, 2014 11:39 AM (AbfZY)

29 Or I should say, leftists, crazies, and muzzie has all become the same.

Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 11:39 AM (xF71N)

30 "Nasty rhetoric may contribute to a crazy killer or leftist killer or Islamist killer's self-justification for his actions. But it generally is not the cause of premeditated violence."

Wrong: It is the preaching of violence in mosques, year after year, that is the cause of Muslim violence.

Posted by: pst314 at December 21, 2014 11:40 AM (T4dRn)

31 If what we saw the past few weeks wasn't incitement then what is?

Posted by: myiq2xu at December 21, 2014 11:40 AM (5fSr7)

32 "But I would argue that the nasty rhetoric is very possibly the catalyst for increased levels of violence."

If speakers exhort listeners to violence and state the police are the enemy sooner or later someone will take action.

I can't say I agree with you Gabe, we have seen the same pattern throughout history to various groups.

Hell did not "reverend" Sharpton exhort people to riot several years ago? Is not his hands covered with blood?

Posted by: gdonovan at December 21, 2014 11:41 AM (Ipxoj)

33 Gabe, do you think anti-ghey speeches lead to discrimination against gheys? So "kill cops" chants don't lead to dead cops?



Hello?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:41 AM (0FSuD)

34 "Nasty rhetoric may contribute to a crazy killer or leftist killer or Islamist killer's self-justification for his actions. But it generally is not the cause of premeditated violence."


Yeah well times are changing. Ignorant low information idiots are being taught this crap from the tit and NOW it's coming from the President and AG and Mayor. Your reap what you sow

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:41 AM (nzKvP)

35 "WHAT DO WE WANT?"

"DEAD COPS!"

"WHEN DO WE WANT THEM?'

"NOW!"

Oh, of course there's no connection. No, sir, none at all, what a silly notion.


What you're missing Gabe, is that the conservative ideas and rhetoric so often pointed to by the media as calls for violence are anything but. Symbols on a map, calls for small government. That's not a call for violence in any way, shape or form. Tell me why the quotes I started my post with aren't a call for violence. I don't think you can do it. You want me to link the video? How about protestors with "All my heroes kill cops" signs?

Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 11:41 AM (KAmzK)

36 If tough rhetoric does not cause violence how come there have always been laws against incitement to riot

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 11:43 AM (zOTsN)

37 My problem with media coverage of violence is that the media and sometimes even public authorities reflexively and without any evidence blame conservatives and conservative ideas for violence.


Agitprop only needs a vehicle, not any valid basis.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 11:43 AM (oKE6c)

38 The tea partiers got the blame for a lot of violence based on a very vague assertion that their rhetoric was violent. The connections were barely even tenuous. In this case we have individuals very clearly and unambiguously calling for violence, with a murder committed in the aftermath. Yes, the man who pulled the trigger it's ultimately responsible, but let's not pretend that we're dealing with analogous situations.

Posted by: Paul at December 21, 2014 11:44 AM (y8cqw)

39 But I don't know why he killed those police officers and neither do you yet.

Other than the fact that he called it "revenge" for the death of a man at the hands of the NYPD, you mean?

What we don't know is whether this man killed the cops as a result of being prompted by left wing rhetoric and violence encouragement. We'll probably never know that.

But if the left is willing to blame the random shooting of a politician by a pot smoking madman in Arizona on a Sarah Palin image with a target portrayed on a city, then they have to either change that stupidity or be consistent and blame themselves for this, which is why people are passing around that bit.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 21, 2014 11:44 AM (39g3+)

40 If it is true that Ismaaiyl Brinsley was motivated by rhetoric then that
is a really big deal. But I don't know why he killed those police
officers and neither do you yet. Generally, however, rhetoric doesn't
just set somebody off.



"Give me liberty of give me death"



Yeah, that kind of shit made no difference in our country. NONE!

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 11:45 AM (0FSuD)

41 That was nice, thanks for the perspective, Gabe. I just hit Weirddave's post, but I am upset about this. I have to tell my girlfriend everytime she fights with her family to give it time, and you've done the same for me. I'm still angry, though.

Posted by: Terry at December 21, 2014 11:45 AM (T9P0E)

42 Had the Eric Garner protests not happened, would those 2 cops be alive today?

I believe the answer is yes.

Therefore, the murder of the two cops is because of teh Eric Garner protests.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 21, 2014 11:46 AM (0LHZx)

43 >>>But the big question is that if he was doing it as revenge for Ferguson and the NYC black, why did he shoot his GF first?<<<

Because he was sick of her shit?

Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2014 11:46 AM (dVmLD)

44 Gabe, preponderance of the evidence, reasonable doubt, or sure and certain proof?

What kind of "know" do you mean?

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 11:46 AM (MQEz6)

45 Is Clickbait Sunday the first Sunday before Christmas?

See you on another thread, folks. Later.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 21, 2014 11:46 AM (AbfZY)

46 He was a Muslim

He appears to be just a thug... a lousy, no-good, lacking-in-value animal without self-restraint or respect for human life.




Yeah, totally different.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 11:46 AM (oKE6c)

47 "Give me liberty of give me death"
I KEEEEL YOU!!!

Posted by: grammar nazi at December 21, 2014 11:47 AM (AbfZY)

48 Weirddave is right, there is or was nothing in the Tea Party protests or ideals that were calling for violence. In these cop protests there were. So don't start lecturing us on keeping our wits about us Gabe.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 11:48 AM (BXkFh)

49 I suppose on some level i agree with the don't blame rhetoric.

because most in society know when they hear CRAZY rhetoric, that it should be ignored as the idiocy it is.

When you Have officials in the highest Levels of Govt lighting the Rhetoric fire, It is slightly different, It IS indicating peoples Paranoia is founded in truthiness.

Piglasio , sharpton administration Officials...and other leaders are Held to a higher standard than dip shit inciter down the Street.

SEIU leaders Unions Leaders are Held to a standard when they speak and incite hate against others. Scabs blah blah.
They are provocateurs -slanderers, inciters agitators .

It is purposeful not just random angst .
Why because they are leaders with Power and believed by those under their rule.

Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 11:49 AM (nqBYe)

50 But the big question is that if he was doing it as revenge for Ferguson and the NYC black, why did he shoot his GF first?

NOT a big question at all. Remember the guy who shot all those people from the Tower of a Building in Texas: He tok out his family first. When your going to go out in blaze of "Glory", you often tie up loose ends. So did that kid from CT: Shot his mother before going to the school. Hey Gabe less philosophy and more history and current events might do you some good

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:49 AM (nzKvP)

51 It's a false equivilence. One advocated violence the other never did

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 11:49 AM (zOTsN)

52 The President of the United States urged people to murder cops, act in violation of the law, and to disregard the idea of the rule of law as it pertains to them.

The President of the United States urged lawlessness, violence, and racist supremacist actions against those he hates - cops, non-African Americans, non-gays, non-Muslims.

The President of the United States of America inspired, encouraged, and approved of murder, assault, theft, arson, and mayhem as long as it wasn't against his favored mascots.

The President of the United States of America is guilty of organizing and fomenting violence and murder.

Period.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at December 21, 2014 11:49 AM (scgac)

53 Gabe, you forgot to mention you are a life-long Republican.

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 11:49 AM (MQEz6)

54 Yes Gabe, I'm sure the chant of "What do we want? Dead cops!" had nothing to do with this. The shooter was undoubtedly informed about Zimmerman and Garner by little nameless birds that had nothing to do with the leftist media effort to overthrow whatever remains of the Republic.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 11:50 AM (A6vWB)

55 When the rhetoric is that Michael Brown was executed and it drowns out the simple fact that he wasn't, is it wrong to blame that rhetoric (and those who shout it) that Ferguson burned?

No, it isn't.

The simple fact is that conservative 'rhetoric' has not been demonstrated to cause profligate violence. But leftist rhetoric that constantly ramps up all the way to 'Kill Cops' has, and does.

If they're saying 'Kill Cops,' I have no doubt to believe that they believe their rhetoric.

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 11:50 AM (MMC8r)

56 I want the leftoids held to their Palin standard Gabe....

No more no less.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 11:51 AM (/4AZU)

57 The latest news report I've read is that this guy belonged to a radical violent black group, like the Black Panthers, and called for violence against cops a lot in the past. The turning point for him might have been anything, but something pushed him to step up and do the deed, recently, where before he'd only talked about it. And what's changed is the huge ramp up in anti-cop and cop-killing rhetoric.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 21, 2014 11:51 AM (39g3+)

58 Inspector Cussword, see my bridge thread to the ONT from last night. It went up about 9PM.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 11:52 AM (KAmzK)

59 54 Methos,

Come on I'm certain the leftoid/media complex is properly chastened and will treat us fairly in the future.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 11:52 AM (/4AZU)

60 But the big question is that if he was doing it as revenge for Ferguson and the NYC black, why did he shoot his GF first?


Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:36 AM (u9gzs)

She was on his 'to do' list and he figured she's be harder to reach after he'd offed a couple cops?

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 11:53 AM (A6vWB)

61 Listen, if it weren't for the climate now, he would definitely not have driven from Baltimore to kill NYC cops. That I am sure. He might have killed local cops or local whites instead, but why would he have gone to NYC except for the Garner hysteria?

Posted by: Baldy at December 21, 2014 11:53 AM (+35FH)

62 None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at December 21, 2014 11:53 AM (jucos)

63 Gabe has posted some pretty weak stuff in the past, this strikes me as being a new low.

I like you Gabe but you are dead wrong.

Been to a number of Tea Party events, no one there advocated violence. Hell they even picked up the trash when leaving unlike the average lefty event which looks like a tornado swept through.

The loser in the white house himself has advocated violence against the people of the united states. This is right from the top down.

Posted by: gdonovan at December 21, 2014 11:53 AM (Ipxoj)

64 Why is the "why" do damn important? He did it. And said he was going to do it to get back for Ferguson and NYC.

Motivation is pretty clear here.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 11:54 AM (BNIaE)

65 Any bets if any of those Cowards in the NFL will pay any tribute what so ever to the 2 murdered Policemen?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:54 AM (nzKvP)

66 Rush Limbaugh was responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing.

Reverend Al has tweeted:


I am outraged at the killing of 2 police officers in Brooklyn. That is why we stress non violence as the only way to fight for justice.

Idiot Sally John is also particularly offense:

When there's a school shooting, we don't blame it on critics of public schools. Equally absurd to blame cop shootings on critics of police.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 11:54 AM (LImiJ)

67 Or I should say, leftists, crazies, and muzzie has all become the same.

Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 11:39 AM (xF71N)

Satan's kingdom is vast and growing.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 11:54 AM (A6vWB)

68 63 gdonovan,

Gabe is a lot more flexible now...


Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (/4AZU)

69 Gotta disagree this time, Gabe. The dude made his opinions well known, well ahead of time. We know why he did it. How much did all the "heated rhetoric" (to borrow a phrase) lead to it? Who knows. But you can't compare a few throw away lines by conservatives and crosshairs on Sarah Palin's web site to the vile anti-cop hatred streaming from the likes of Sharpton, de Blasio, Farrakhan, etc.

No, words didn't force the dude to pull the trigger, but you can't deny the anti-cop climate created over the past few months by people who SHOULD have the cops' backs.

Posted by: ericinva at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (XsvzV)

70 So, following Gabe's logic, all the individual ISIS "soldiers" decided individually that they hated kafirs, and even Shi'ites, enough to justify beheading them?

There was no one to teach them their interpretation of the Koran as that justification?


Posted by: Albie Damned at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (nGaMY)

71 NYPD shooter appears to have been motivated mostly by black supremacy with some marxist and muslim supremacy as well. He appears to have been a very angry dude with a lot of grievances.

Black muslims in America tend to be motivated as much by race hate as Islamic hate. Hard to untangle.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (ZPrif)

72 anyway whether the murderer passed the rubicon to attempt to kill the girlfriend first or decided he was going to kill 2 cops making it ok to kill the girlfriend, either made it OK to pass the rubicon mentally for him.

also was this guy selling kill zimmerman shirts ? as said in a comment last night?
true or not?

Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (nqBYe)

73 Motivation is pretty clear here.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 11:54 AM (BNIaE)

Not when your wearing gabe colored sun glasses

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (nzKvP)

74 So, we should just let imams alone when they call for the slaughter of innocents?

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (nGaMY)

75 But the big question is that if he was doing it as revenge for Ferguson and the NYC black, why did he shoot his GF first?

In for a penny, in for a pound.

If a campaign of vengeance is on the agenda, start close to home.

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 11:56 AM (MMC8r)

76 Giffords case: A group not calling for violence inspires man not part of said group to violence.

NYC shooting: A group calling for violence inspires a member to violence.

These things are not the same.

Posted by: Things You Won't Hear at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (mfgqi)

77 Tough rhetoric?

Interesting choice for an adjective.

Did other choices come to mind?

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (MQEz6)

78 The latest news report I've read is that this guy belonged to a radical violent black group,

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The Department of Justice?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (LImiJ)

79 Global Warming and lax gun laws made him do it.

Posted by: Average dumb ass lefty at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (u9gzs)

80 So, we should just let imams alone when they call for the slaughter of innocents?
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 21, 2014 11:55 AM (nGaMY)

Well seems to be American Policy now a days. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (nzKvP)

81 Wow. A concern troll


There were gangs in the 70s that executed cops in NYC for political reasons. The Black Liberation Army


This guy belonged to a gang like that, that promised hits on cops in retaliation for Brown and Garner


This guy had been talking about that on line for weeks. Check the Daily Mail. Look at his tweets and Instagram.


He traveled frequently between Atlanta Brooklyn and Baltimore with a stop in Oakland. Why. On gang business? Community organizing? Protesting?

Bratton said he had "connections" to Brooklyn. Like what

People knew what he was going to do and did nothing. People in Bed Sty laughed and clapped when they saw what he did

This isn't just like the tea party. It's intellectually dishonest to equate the two

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (zOTsN)

82 When there's a school shooting, we don't blame it on critics of public schools.

Yes, yes they do. That's exactly who they blame.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (39g3+)

83 My problem with media coverage of violence is that the media and sometimes even public authorities reflexively and without any evidence blame conservatives and conservative ideas for violence.


Here's a fun hypothetical: suppose the media hadn't covered the cases of St. Trayvon, St. Swisher, or St. Loosie in such an inflammatory way. No pictures of them as eight-year olds, no showcasing criminal co-conspirators friends' bullshit claims regarding the perp, no repeating things said or supposedly said by the perp. Instead, each story was treated as it deserved to be: a one-inch column on page C17 of the local newspaper, and a ten-second blurb on the local TV news. In short, the way the corresponding cases of a white perp would be and are treated, and justifiably so.


Would the shooting of the two cops have happened?


I'm guessing "no." So please don't essentially take the position that words are just words, and don't matter. In the closest analogy to the MSM, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion mattered. Mein Kampf mattered. Das Kapital and the Koran mattered, and each still matters. There's a reason why the MSM bury the race of particularly vicious criminals who aren't white.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (oKE6c)

84 The latest news report I've read is that this guy belonged to a radical violent black group,

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The Department of Justice?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (LImiJ)

Oh wow... I wish I had said that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:57 AM (nzKvP)

85
People knew what he was going to do and did nothing. People in Bed Sty laughed and clapped when they saw what he did


America's Palestinians.

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 11:58 AM (MMC8r)

86 He was a Muslim, but there's no indication that his
religion had anything to do with this. He appears to be just a thug... a
lousy, no-good, lacking-in-value animal without self-restraint or
respect for human life.



HE pulled the trigger but, if anyone might be complicit, it is Louis
Farrakhan, he of the "Tear this G*****m country up!" and "If they kill
one of ours..." rhetoric.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM (DmNpO)


NDH, his religion had everything to do with this. Thugs like this embrace islam because islam gives them justification for being a thug.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 21, 2014 11:58 AM (gvtTX)

87 Media won't even ID the race of the perps that assaulted Rahm's kid outside the family home.

Larry Elder @larryelder 39m
Mayor's son robbed near North Side home. 2 suspects at large-- but paper GIVES NO DESCRIPTION!
www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-rahm-emanuel-son-robbed-20141220-story.html
#Politicalcorrectness

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 11:58 AM (ZPrif)

88 also was this guy selling kill zimmerman shirts ? as said in a comment last night?
true or not?

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True. See Weasel Zippers.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 11:58 AM (LImiJ)

89 Actor James Woods Blames De Blasio, Sharpton For Murder Of NYPD Officers

Weasel Zippers

Woods has always been great on these issues. Good Man. Good Man.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 11:59 AM (nzKvP)

90 "Instead, each story was treated as it deserved to be: a one-inch column
on page C17 of the local newspaper, and a ten-second blurb on the local
TV news."

You know, like black on black killings are covered in Chicago every weekend.

Not a peep.

Posted by: gdonovan at December 21, 2014 11:59 AM (Ipxoj)

91 Reverend Al has tweeted:





I am outraged at the killing of 2 police officers in Brooklyn. That
is why we stress 'non violence' as the only way to 'fight' for justice.

Non-violent fighting is cool.


Posted by: Jericho at December 21, 2014 11:59 AM (JkxKs)

92 Very clearly what's needed here is common sense Al Sharpton Control.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at December 21, 2014 11:59 AM (jucos)

93 *phew* Thanks, Gabe. I got really tired of personally getting the blame for the murder of all those Jews

Posted by: Adolph Hitler at December 21, 2014 11:59 AM (nGaMY)

94 Girlfriend?

Go out with a bang. Get it all done is one setting. Mad at the world. Mad at her. Mad at himself.


Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang.


Done.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:00 PM (BNIaE)

95 81 ThunderB,

Well this must be a terribly needed rhetorical point for the Federalist to post a byline here.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 12:00 PM (/4AZU)

96 My problem with media coverage of violence is that the media and sometimes even public authorities reflexively and without any evidence blame conservatives and conservative ideas for violence.

------

Why would they do that Gabrielle?

Perhaps because that IS the tool THEY actually use and think We do as they do?

When have we (conservatives)said to eachother let's Riot! let's Kill people ?

Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 12:00 PM (nqBYe)

97 So, following Gabe's logic, all the individual ISIS "soldiers" decided
individually that they hated kafirs, and even Shi'ites, enough to
justify beheading them?

There was no one to teach them their interpretation of the Koran as that justification?
---
If you can convince yourself that there are no causes for a problem, you can justify not doing anything to fix the problem.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:01 PM (A6vWB)

98 In short, the way the corresponding cases of a white perp would be and are treated, and justifiably so.

Would the shooting of the two cops have happened?


That's very well put. Whether he was driven or spurred to this by the rhetoric or not, the connection is not hard to see. He's been writing about killing cops for a while now, but only did it recently - driving to another city to do so. Now, granted, on the East Coast you live like 10 minutes from the next big city, but still, its an effort.

Something changed in him, something triggered this, motivating him to go from rhetoric to action.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 21, 2014 12:01 PM (39g3+)

99 Throughout history, lefty rhetoric has indeed sparked violence, sometimes with horrific body counts. You could make a good case that violence is at the heart of almost all lefty rhetoric.

From the killing fields of Pol Pot, to the pogroms in Russia to Hitler's well documented slaughter of millions, it's violence all the way down. Even our new friends in Cuba relied on violence and lots of it to gain and keep power.

And if you think violence isn't in the heart of our current lefties, read some of the works of Ayers, Dohrn and their fellow travelers. Not only did they engage in violence but they preached that much more would be needed, in the tens of millions, to achieve their socialist paradise.

It may turn out that it is difficult to tie this particular case to any one speech or action but don't kid yourself that when you live in a bubble that treats violence as a legitimate tool in achieving your aims then violence will happen.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 21, 2014 12:01 PM (g1DWB)

100 97 Methos,

Rip Van Winkle was a visionary.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 12:02 PM (/4AZU)

101 The other thing- it seems a bunch of mass shooters have killed their "loved" ones before they go and shoot up school or work. To me, it seems the issue is him driving hundreds of miles to kill strangers. Killing someone close is normal for killers.

Posted by: Baldy at December 21, 2014 12:02 PM (+35FH)

102 Black muslims in America tend to be motivated as much by race hate as Islamic hate. Hard to untangle.

Well yes, since the whole appeal of islam to the black community is that it is opposed to Christianity which they see as the white man's religion.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:02 PM (A6vWB)

103 The rhetoric of Sharpton, Jackson, Holder, and Obama created a Climate of Hate that led to these shootings.


It is always a climate of hate that leads to these things, after all.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Check Out Our Humbugs at the Outrage Outlet! (Bahs not incl.) at December 21, 2014 12:02 PM (g+akU)

104 If a black guy named Ismaayl Abdullah kills a few cops shortly after Calypso Louie starts talking up violence and no one gives a glance at the Nation of Islam, how can that be considered sensible?

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 12:03 PM (MMC8r)

105 So we can kill for killing all the enwords now? That'll be cool? Great!

Posted by: The KKK at December 21, 2014 12:04 PM (oKE6c)

106 PJMedia
Cop Killer Ismaaiyl Brinsley Posted Quranic Verse: 'And Strike Terror Into Their Hearts'
http://tinyurl.com/ojbgs7t

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:04 PM (ZPrif)

107 The sad and equally terrifying part about this? It's only going to get worse.

Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 12:04 PM (xF71N)

108 can call for

Posted by: The KKK at December 21, 2014 12:04 PM (oKE6c)

109 99 JackStraw,

Source of my rage is Barry "Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers" Soetoro getting passes on Mr 25 million and JeremiahKKK rhetoric in his memory palace....

Al Slim Shady Sharpton is a Presedential advisor...what a GREAT nation we've become.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (/4AZU)

110 The police acted stupidly.

Posted by: Da Won golfing in Hawaii at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (LImiJ)

111
Heh, most valid responses get covered in the first 75 comments, yet we (meaning me) persist anyway...

he'll probably fall into one of the other categories when this all shakes out.

All 3 probably in this case, or 4 when you include the inciting rhetoric, as represented by his tweets.

Blaming conservatives for "targeting" a political race is quite different than people chanting they want dead cops. If these things are totally to be dismissed, what to say about Ace's policy of banning violence posts by commentors.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (NtzGn)

112 He could've tried to kill a couple of cops in Baltimore, but he didn't. He drove to NYC.

Posted by: Jericho at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (JkxKs)

113 This isn't just like the tea party. It's intellectually dishonest to equate the two

It looks the same to us!

Posted by: Your moderate GOPe betters at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (A6vWB)

114 Isn't incitement listed as a crime?

Was Gabe out sick the day they covered that?

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (MQEz6)

115 They blamed crosshair graphics for the Giffords shooting.

But actual 'kill the cops' is nothing.

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 12:06 PM (MMC8r)

116 There is a line between talking angrily about a subject and flat out calling for violence. When conservatives get accused of it they are not usually actively calling for someone to burn this town down immediately prior to a riot.

This guy might just be crazy, and this was a direction for it to be pointed in, but what about all the hammer wielding types? I don think the same can be said for all of them.

Posted by: Lea is watching White Christmas. at December 21, 2014 12:06 PM (/bd0t)

117 so i guess Media hs no responsibility for being the mouth peace of supposed american thought ?

They willfully lied, They assisted in scaring others , for what purpose?

The lied, so it's not like they were just informing the public on how cops, or republicans are outta control and gonna Put other citizens in Chains (biden)
or some people can't go to the gas station without being threatened by cops (Obama)
or palin asked for giffords killing (a target)

this is agitating on a national scale with the media assist.

Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 12:06 PM (nqBYe)

118 The sad and equally terrifying part about this? It's only going to get worse.
Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 12:04 PM (xF71N)

Yup. The sad part is fredo/holder/DeCommio have permanently divided the races setting one against the other.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:06 PM (nzKvP)

119 107 soona,

At some point the terrorized will start dealing terror in reverse.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 12:07 PM (/4AZU)

120 "When have we (conservatives) said to each other let's Riot! let's Kill people ?"

My greatest fear is the day is coming-

At what point will Americans say enough! Were tired of being abused, were tired of being singled out for doing nothing wrong and why are we being demonized for something that happened long before all of us were born?

President pissy pants is doing everything in his power to bring the US to this point. I'm not sure he is going to like the results. Consider the relationship between the mayor of NYC and the NYPD. Why on earth would any of them lift a finger to save his life when he is calling them the enemy?


Posted by: gdonovan at December 21, 2014 12:07 PM (Ipxoj)

121 Looks like Gabe is half way to transforming into Caharles Johanson

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at December 21, 2014 12:07 PM (RRbuy)

122 "They blamed crosshair graphics for the Giffords shooting.
"


He's black.


So. Different.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (BNIaE)

123 Not that I wouldn't believe it, but is there proof that the people in Bed-Stuy whooped it up when they saw what this asshole did to the two cops? I don't want to believe that...because then that would mean we're in deeper shit than we want to be....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (8HGb7)

124 I love how a guy like Calypso Louie can stir up the pot for years and years, and he still doesn't receive the credit he deserves for inciting lawlessness.

Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (dVmLD)

125 I'm sick of playing nice Gabe. I'm calling it as I see it.
Obama, Holder, Sharpton, Mayor Douchebag all have blood on their hands.

Wait and see?
BULLSHIT.

I don't need to be lectured by Gabe Malor.
You've got a lot of nerve pal.

Posted by: mpfs at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (si/E8)

126 116 There is a line between talking angrily about a subject and flat out calling for violence. When conservatives get accused of it they are not usually actively calling for someone to burn this town down immediately prior to a riot.

This guy might just be crazy, and this was a direction for it to be pointed in, but what about all the hammer wielding types? I don think the same can be said for all of them.

Posted by: Lea is watching White Christmas. at December 21, 2014 12:06 PM (/bd0t)


Actively calling for someone to burn this town down ... in the midst of a bunch of criminally-inclined people, some with containers full of gasoline.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (oKE6c)

127 Over at Hot Air (Gabe's kindred soul mates) you can't even type words like revolution, if you do the comment is either blocked or has to have some pussy like Ed Morrissey approve it. Why is that Gabe?

Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (BXkFh)

128 121 Looks like Gabe is half way to transforming into Caharles Johanson
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at December 21, 2014 12:07 PM (RRbuy)

He hasn't posted pictures of rusty bikes yet, so there's still hope.

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (MQEz6)

129 Not that I wouldn't believe it, but is there proof that the people in Bed-Stuy whooped it up when they saw what this asshole did to the two cops? I don't want to believe that...because then that would mean we're in deeper shit than we want to be....
Posted by: JoeF. at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (8HGb7)


I have NOT read that anywhere. Assholes on Twitter yes- but in the neighborhood where it happen- NO- Not that I heard

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (nzKvP)

130 This psychotic killer was a jihadist.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:33 AM (u9gzs)

So Gabe Malor makes silly, logically flawed claims, and you follow it with one that's even worse.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (Zu3d9)

131 So let me get this straight. An ad of Palin's was responsible for Gabby Giffords getting shot, but all the rhetoric from Sharpton, Deblasio, Holder and Zero aren't. Got it. "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!" Yea it has to somehow be Palin or the Tea Parties fault.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (bXdYS)

132 gdonovan,

Yeah i see what they are about.

We don't have to bite the apple.

Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 12:10 PM (nqBYe)

133 If you go to the ny post and the daily mail they have a story about passerby laughing and clapping

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:10 PM (zOTsN)

134 111 Guy Mohawk,

Indeed...I am certain a poster say g a newsies should shit teeth is worse incitement than a Presedential buddy condoning cop killing by his refusal to confront his mob's chants....

This goes all the way to Barry and Eric....

"My people" is SUPPOSED to be "Americans" not "blacks"

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2014 12:10 PM (/4AZU)

135 So let me get this straight. An ad of Palin's was responsible for Gabby Giffords getting shot, but all the rhetoric from Sharpton, Deblasio, Holder and Zero aren't. Got it. "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!" Yea it has to somehow be Palin or the Tea Parties fault.
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (bXdYS)

Yup that pretty much sum it's up for the MSM and the intellectual elite.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:10 PM (nzKvP)

136 One bright spot in all this: Stacey Dash is kicking ass.

http://tinyurl.com/pyzgle7

Posted by: Da Won golfing in Hawaii at December 21, 2014 12:10 PM (LImiJ)

137 I have NOT read that anywhere. Assholes on Twitter yes- but in the neighborhood where it happen- NO- Not that I heard
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (nzKvP)




http://tinyurl.com/lksk8cp

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:11 PM (oKE6c)

138 112
He could've tried to kill a couple of cops in Baltimore, but he didn't. He drove to NYC.


Posted by: Jericho at December 21, 2014 12:05 PM (JkxKs)

I suspect most of the cops in Baltimore look like him or his son IYKWIM.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:11 PM (u9gzs)

139 After the Ferguson verdict but before he got up on stage, Brown's stepfather was recorded saying that if he got up there he was going to start a riot.

He then got up on that stage and said "Burn this bitch down!"

Whereupon protesters, thugs and assorted hooligans started to burn down a big chunk of Ferguson. Now, maybe they were going to burn it down anyhow, but he fired the starting pistol at a minimum.

Remember that age old First Amendment argument about shouting 'Fire' in a crowded theater? You cannot do it unless there is actually a fire.

7 HE pulled the trigger but, if anyone might be complicit, it is Louis Farrakhan, he of the "Tear this G*****m country up!" and "If they kill one of ours..." rhetoric.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 21, 2014 11:32 AM (DmNpO)


Yeah, his rhetoric, or incitement, was the most explicit coming from a 'nationally recognized leader'.

Think we will see any charges?

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 21, 2014 12:12 PM (N3zZa)

140 If Barry had a son, he'd look like Ismail.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:12 PM (bXdYS)

141 "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!" Yea it has to somehow be Palin or the Tea Parties fault."


Now you're catching on.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:12 PM (BNIaE)

142 Well yes, since the whole appeal of islam to the black community is that it is opposed to Christianity which they see as the white man's religion.
--
Right, it gives them religious justification for their race hate. They hate white people, but our society teaches that race hate is wrong, Islam helps them square that circle.

It's true that the cops he killed were hispanic and asian, but 1) hispanics are white, 2) it's not clear he even saw them close enough to tell their races/ethnicity -- the asian cop could have easily looked white to him.

They were probably the first cops he ran into that he could sneak up on. He saw two light-skinned cops in a cop car. I doubt he would have killed a black cop. Hard to tell.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:12 PM (ZPrif)

143 130 So Gabe Malor makes silly, logically flawed claims, and you follow it with one that's even worse.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (Zu3d9)

That is BS CBD. I have longed believed all muzzies are jihadist at heart. It is part of their phony religion.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:13 PM (u9gzs)

144 At what point will Americans say enough! Were tired of being abused,
were tired of being singled out for doing nothing wrong and why are we
being demonized for something that happened long before all of us were
born?


Long. Train. Of. Abuses.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:13 PM (A6vWB)

145 http://tinyurl.com/lksk8cp
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:11 PM (oKE6c)


Yeah not the most reliable report. Not that I would put it past them, but nobody else is really reporting that. I'd take that report with w grain of salt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (nzKvP)

146 Sven-

>>Source of my rage is Barry "Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers" Soetoro getting passes on Mr 25 million and JeremiahKKK rhetoric in his memory palace....

It really is astounding to me. I'm used to lefties getting a pass in the msm, happened all my life. But the extreme rhetoric of Obama's fellow travelers and the people who raised him is a new level of deceit.

I often hear people talk about how odd it is for the American lefty community to excuse the atrocities of the Muslim jihadists because they would be the first to fall victim to them. I see it as more an enemy of my enemy is my friend. And we are the enemy of both of them, make no mistake about that.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (g1DWB)

147 He was a thug piece of shit who will be known as a hero in some circles.

Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (WlUIO)

148 He was stopped by two con Ed workers before he got to the subway

He did not kill them


I wonder what race they were

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (zOTsN)

149 Typical Gabe stuff.

Calm down the rabble.

Sooth the panicked herd.

Hand out some Jeb buttons.



Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:15 PM (MQEz6)

150 Terrible analysis.

It's not rhetoric bro. It's rage. It's the manifestation of a leftist worldview.

A people wholly convinced they are oppressed and are consumed with their own rage and oppression.

Posted by: Ragnar at December 21, 2014 12:15 PM (gDdDs)

151 NGU it's in th Daily Mail

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:15 PM (zOTsN)

152 The left: Whoopie Goldberg

The right: Stacey Dash

You do the math.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 12:15 PM (LImiJ)

153 Yeah not the most reliable report. Not that I would put it past them, but nobody else is really reporting that. I'd take that report with w grain of salt
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (nzKvP)




You're right, it isn't the most reliable report, but I was providing a source apart from Twitter.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:16 PM (oKE6c)

154 "My people" is SUPPOSED to be "Americans" not "blacks"

Democrats aren't Americans. They've been telling us for 240 years.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:16 PM (A6vWB)

155 Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:13 PM (u9gzs)

Really? What kind of Islam was he an adherent of? If it is NOI, then Jihad has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:16 PM (Zu3d9)

156 i would liek to understand what the end game is to these fkrs.

cops are on their team , yet, yet .. the division will never Heal .

this is purposeful .
it is what really bugs me about everything the last few years.
it is purposeful agitation, to what gain or end?

Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 12:16 PM (nqBYe)

157 The NYPD shooter no doubt looks at black cops as Uncle Toms.

People like him and Sharpton and Obama and DeBlasio look at cops as the force that props up white supremacy and white privilege in America -- regardless of the race/ethnicity of the individual cop.

So they honestly will believe that a black cop, white cop, asian cop, and hispanic cop working together to arrest a black criminal ... is White Supremacy in action.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:17 PM (ZPrif)

158 He's a black nationalist thug.

More Nation of Islam than traditional jihadi

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:17 PM (zOTsN)

159 Probably converted to Islam from jail and was probably more motivated to kill those cops because of prior run-ins with the law. Religion might have had something to do with him killing his girlfriend. Sounds like he was homicidal and suicidal period. Girlfriend, cops and finally himself.

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:17 PM (Y92Nd)

160 PRESIDENTIAL ADVISOR Al Sharpton.

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 12:18 PM (MMC8r)

161 There is a difference. Traditional Muslims are very offended at the notion that Nation of Islam exists

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:18 PM (zOTsN)

162 I often hear people talk about how odd it is for the American lefty community to excuse the atrocities of the Muslim jihadists because they would be the first to fall victim to them. I see it as more an enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (g1DWB)




The Reds use the Muslims as a cat's paw. The Muslims (here) use Red agitation for "rights" as cover. It's symbiotic. Each uses the other, and thinks that when the time comes, they'll deal with the other.


Unless we deal with both of them first.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:18 PM (oKE6c)

163 Black Guerrila Family.

Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:18 PM (WlUIO)

164 Now, now horde. Maybe we should give Gabe a break. It is major cocktail party season in DC. He could be angling for more invites.

Go back and rub more hot oil on Ed Morrissey's bsld head.
Remember their are copious martinis to imbibe at those cocktail parties in DC.

Posted by: mpfs at December 21, 2014 12:18 PM (si/E8)

165 Posted by: CBD at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (Zu3d9)



The first entry from Stacy Dash


These murders are the natural result of the Jihad on cops that TheRevAl deBlasioNYC has called for. They should be held accountable.

Stacey Dash (@REALStaceyDash)

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:19 PM (u9gzs)

166 "execution" is a legal term. These cops were not executed, they were murdered.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:19 PM (Zu3d9)

167 One bright spot in all this: Stacey Dash is kicking ass.

That goes to my point, if you look at the responses to her. She has the intellectual capacity to be one of us and chooses to be thus, so they disown her.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (A6vWB)

168 "People like him and Sharpton and Obama and DeBlasio look at cops as the force that props up white supremacy and white privilege in America -- regardless of the race/ethnicity of the individual cop."

Gee, choking a black man to death for selling untaxed cigarettes in lily white Staten Island certainly does nothing to enforce that perception, now does it? Not to mention using the presence of a black female sergeant to deny there was any racial animus?

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (Y92Nd)

169 "execution" is a legal term. These cops were not executed, they were murdered.
--
No, it also has a colloquial meaning. No need to play language games.

Everybody knows what is meant by the term "executed" here. We all know it didn't involve a fair trial.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (ZPrif)

170 Eyewitness told th Daily Beast people were laughing and clapping in Bed Sty when it happened

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (zOTsN)

171 To non-Lefty TV folks: do not go on any program that also invites Al Sharpton.

Boycott those motherfuckers.

Or, if you are on such a show, call them out on it and don't accept the premise Al Sharpton should be welcome on TV.

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (MQEz6)

172 Stacey Dash (@REALStaceyDash)

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:19 PM (u9gzs)

As smokin' hot as she is, I don't consider her tweets to be evidence of anything.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (Zu3d9)

173 If it is true that Ismaaiyl Brinsley was motivated by rhetoric then that is a really big deal.

We swear it's true, with our hand upon the Blessed Q'uran.

D'oh!

Posted by: The MFM at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (FcR7P)

174 no i get gabe's point.
we are falsely accused all the time. and don't give them ammunition to use against us, speech laws etc..


yet , They are the ones actually inciting and agitating and causing death.

Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (nqBYe)

175 "Radicalization" of young Muslim men is balderdash. It exists only in the minds of you conservative cuckoo birds

Posted by: Mabe Galor at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (nGaMY)

176 Not to mention using the presence of a black female sergeant to deny there was any racial animus?
--
wut the derp?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (ZPrif)

177 Any one ever see Gabe and David Brooks in public at the same time?

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (RRbuy)

178 155 Really? What kind of Islam was he an adherent of? If it is NOI, then Jihad has nothing to do with it.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:16 PM (Zu3d9)

There were several reports I saw this morning from news sites saying he was a muzzie. Hell, look at his name.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (u9gzs)

179 DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 4m
GUNMAN EXECUTES 2 NYPD COPS AS 'REVENGE' http://drudge.tw/1vdZZpk

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (ZPrif)

180 130
This psychotic killer was a jihadist.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 11:33 AM (u9gzs)

So Gabe Malor makes silly, logically flawed claims, and you follow it with one that's even worse.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (Zu3d9)

Actually not. He was attending the most racial mosque in NYC. He was psychotic, he tried to kill his girl friend. He killed two cops and announced he was going to do so.Then he killed himself. Sound like a suicide terrorist to me.

So he is a psychotic killer.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (0FSuD)

181 168 "People like him and Sharpton and Obama and DeBlasio look at cops as the force that props up white supremacy and white privilege in America -- regardless of the race/ethnicity of the individual cop."

Gee, choking a black man to death for selling untaxed cigarettes in lily white Staten Island certainly does nothing to enforce that perception, now does it? Not to mention using the presence of a black female sergeant to deny there was any racial animus?
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (Y92Nd)

Or, the Black female Sergeant demonstrated there was no racial animus.

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (MQEz6)

182 Someone should try to reach out to Stacy Dash and ask her to join us here and also some of the other babes at FOX

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (nzKvP)

183 "Hand out some Jeb buttons."


Fcuk him.


*Now return to your regularly scheduled Squishiness*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2014 12:23 PM (BNIaE)

184 Black guerrilla family and Nation of Islam are birds of a feather. They both get converts and members in prison

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:23 PM (zOTsN)

185
170 Eyewitness told th Daily Beast people were laughing and clapping in Bed Sty when it happened

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:20 PM (zOTsN)

I really don't want to believe that.

Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:23 PM (WlUIO)

186 He then got up on that stage and said "Burn this bitch down!"

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Thug parents have issued a statement saying they never supported violence.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 21, 2014 12:23 PM (LImiJ)

187 Not that I wouldn't believe it, but is there proof that the people in Bed-Stuy whooped it up when they saw what this asshole did to the two cops? I don't want to believe that...because then that would mean we're in deeper shit than we want to be....
Posted by: JoeF. at December 21, 2014 12:08 PM (8HGb7)


I have NOT read that anywhere. Assholes on Twitter yes- but in the neighborhood where it happen- NO- Not that I heard
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:09 PM (nzKvP)

You couldn't buy a brownstone in Bed-Stuy unless you had a couple million dollars cash these days.

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:24 PM (Y92Nd)

188 From Insty. Thug at mosque



http://tinyurl.com/mbuamdq

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 12:24 PM (0FSuD)

189 169 "execution" is a legal term. These cops were not executed, they were murdered.
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No, it also has a colloquial meaning.




Rather like "loose" has the colloquial meaning of "lose."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:24 PM (oKE6c)

190 >>The Reds use the Muslims as a cat's paw. The Muslims (here) use Red agitation for "rights" as cover. It's symbiotic. Each uses the other, and thinks that when the time comes, they'll deal with the other.

Much as the Weather Underground types used the Black Panthers.

As soon as I heard about the deal with Cuba the first thing I did was check out Bill Ayers for a comment (his grandfather was the legal counsel for Cuba after Castro's revolution and Bill Ayers' history is intertwined with Cuba in many ways). Not only did he sppoge all over himself with joy but he immediately called for the US to "keep their hand off" cop killer Joanne Chesimard who has been hiding in plain sight in Cuba for years.

Not surprising in the least.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 21, 2014 12:24 PM (g1DWB)

191 I suspect most of the cops in Baltimore look like him or his son IYKWIM.

You'd be wrong.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 12:24 PM (KAmzK)

192 There is a difference. Traditional Muslims are very offended at the notion that Nation of Islam exists
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Well and Sunnis

Posted by: Some Shiite at December 21, 2014 12:25 PM (A6vWB)

193 There is a difference. Traditional Muslims are very offended at the notion that Nation of Islam exists
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Well, and Shiites

Posted by: Some Sunni at December 21, 2014 12:25 PM (A6vWB)

194 182
Someone should try to reach out to Stacy Dash and ask her to join us here and also some of the other babes at FOX

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (nzKvP)

IIANM she has posted here before.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:25 PM (u9gzs)

195 What mosque in NYC did he belong to?

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:25 PM (zOTsN)

196 156 i would liek to understand what the end game is to these fkrs.

cops are on their team , yet, yet .. the division will never Heal .

this is purposeful .
it is what really bugs me about everything the last few years.
it is purposeful agitation, to what gain or end?
Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 12:16 PM (nqBYe)


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Oh, sweet Willow. Please believe those of that have from the beginning of Ogumbe's preezyness have said that his whole purpose of he and his minions is the destruction of this nation.

Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 12:26 PM (xF71N)

197 Rather like "loose" has the colloquial meaning of "lose."
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No, that's a misspelling.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:26 PM (ZPrif)

198 Stricter gun control would have prevented this tragedy.

Posted by: Your MSM Betters at December 21, 2014 12:26 PM (XzRw1)

199
Intellectual contrarianism.

See how refined I am. See how above the masses I am. See my superior morality and intellect on display for all to read. No rushing to judgment you unwashed hick masses.

Toss off Gabe, ya hoser

Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 12:27 PM (o/3Hk)

200 If he attended a radical Brooklyn mosque that may have been the reason to come to NYC before starting the killing spree.

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 12:27 PM (MMC8r)

201 Chances the MFM call it a hate crime? Holds breath passes out looks to sky for SMOD.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:27 PM (bXdYS)

202 Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (nqBYe)

There's a big, glaring difference here. There is no one (except for maybe some fringe, marginalized fucking whack jobs) on the right actually calling for anyone's assassination.

The protestors held signs and chanted calling for the assassination of cops right there, way out in the open.

And, "spiritual" leaders like Farrakhan actually advocated for the killing of LEOs

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 21, 2014 12:27 PM (nGaMY)

203 Or, the Black female Sergeant demonstrated there was no racial animus.
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (MQEz6)

She didn't do the choking, just looked the other way. Daniel Pantaleo had been successfully sued twice for prior unlawful, racially motivated arrests.

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (Y92Nd)

204 oabam, DeBlasio, Sharpton added to this tragedy, either by direct incitement or by omission. There was no immediate "the murdering thug acted stupidity" statement from the community organizer in chief. Sharpton spoke while some in the mobs chanted kill the cops/burn it down. DeBlasio gave legitimacy to the lawless protesters by agreeing with their cause of actions. Period.

Posted by: Buffalobob at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (w+5ie)

205 191 You'd be wrong.


Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 12:24 PM (KAmzK)

Well, since I lived in MD it has become a virtual Democrat Meca so I assumed that would be so. But I did say "suspect" meaning that I did not know for sure.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (u9gzs)

206 No, that's a misspelling.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:26 PM (ZPrif)


True, but they're both ignorant errors.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (oKE6c)

207 So what happens next?

Is this post analogous to "remain calm, all is well!"

Am I or anyone else re-assured by this?

My cousin was a cop for well over 30 years. When he finally retired, he was only too happy to get out.

Will this make it easier or harder for police departments around the country to recruit good people to be cops? Will this make it easier or harder to have cops be "under control" in tense situations?

Rhetoric + "reality" = ????

As of this morning, I am sure a lot of NYPD guys have a different notion of the effects of rhetoric on yesterday's events.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative.... after dark at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (+1T7c)

208 Damn evil is running rampant...


http://tinyurl.com/njh5bp2


The 16-year-old girl was forced to have sex with more than 16 men over a week's time -- in two instances with eight men at once -- after taken outside her school on Dec. 4, authorities said.


Notice a father and son were involved. Should be castrated, gutted and then left to bleed out.

Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:29 PM (WlUIO)

209 This post would have been more meaningful before the instagram rant. Gabe's got his finger on the pulse alright.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at December 21, 2014 12:29 PM (bUmSq)

210 Was this post composed by two different people?

One author wrote this:

Nasty rhetoric may contribute to a crazy killer or leftist killer or Islamist killer's self-justification for his actions. But it generally is not the cause of premeditated violence.

But a completely different author wrote this:

After those two issues comes my final point: much of the high-profile violence that gets blamed on conservatives actually come from folks in at least one (and sometimes more than one) category: crazy, leftist, or Islamist.

= given that leftists are motivated by leftist propaganda, and Islamists by a book.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (AVEe1)

211 203 Or, the Black female Sergeant demonstrated there was no racial animus.
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:22 PM (MQEz6)

She didn't do the choking, just looked the other way. Daniel Pantaleo had been successfully sued twice for prior unlawful, racially motivated arrests.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:28 PM (Y92Nd)

Or looked right at it and saw no bad acts by the Officer.

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (MQEz6)

212 This is typical.

Media engages in batshit crazy rhetoric. Links schizos to Palin Facebook posts.

Right engages in heated, but sane, rhetoric when a leftist dirtbag acts out the violent chants of thousands of protesters calling for violence against cops -- and Media tells us we better calm down our rhetoric. And the well-fed Right does as well.

And we all know that if another black criminal gets killed in two months, or another fake rape at a college campus, the Media will go right back to their batshit insane rhetoric.

We are the only ones who ever are told to calm down. And we're told to calm down even when we're right.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (ZPrif)

213 lily white Staten Island

census fact: Staten Island is 64% white.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (NtzGn)

214 ABC This Week whores really pushing for Jeb. Disgusting.

Posted by: Your MSM Betters at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (XzRw1)

215
True, but they're both ignorant errors.
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You have a poor grasp of language on this issue.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:31 PM (ZPrif)

216 @83

That's the reason that the names of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom aren't well known. The MSM stomped down on that story as hard as they could, just like they did with the Carr brothers and the Wichita Horror.

MSM...complete bastards, the lot of them.

Posted by: mac at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (NbXjh)

217 She didn't do the choking, just looked the other way. Daniel Pantaleo had been successfully sued twice for prior unlawful, racially motivated arrests.
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He wasn't choked to death. That's a lie. And you know it.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (ZPrif)

218 What mosque in Brooklyn?

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (zOTsN)

219 Or looked right at it and saw no bad acts by the Officer.
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (MQEz6)

She denied hearing Garner's eleven pleas that he couldn't breathe as he was strangled to death.

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (Y92Nd)

220 He had a heart attack and multiple health issues


Stop with the FALSE equivalence

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:34 PM (zOTsN)

221 Notice a father and son were involved. Should be castrated, gutted and then left to bleed out.

Lock the seven in a room with a single knife and fork. And a bottle of Chianti.

Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2014 12:34 PM (FcR7P)

222 OBAMA CALLS FOR PATIENT DIALOGUE AFTER POLICE OFFICERS MURDERED IN NEW YORK CITY


Yeah right asshole. Hey you meet with a guy like sharpton, you share the blame asshole. I am sure "patience" will bring much comfort to the famillies of the 2 dead Officers?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:34 PM (nzKvP)

223 She denied hearing Garner's eleven pleas that he couldn't breathe as he was strangled to death.
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Ok, you're just a lying troll. Obviously.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:34 PM (ZPrif)

224 She didn't do the choking, just looked the other way. Daniel Pantaleo
had been successfully sued twice for prior unlawful, racially motivated
arrests.


Or maybe she noticed he wasn't being choked. (Here's a hint: if you're really choking, you can't say "I can't breathe".)

Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 12:34 PM (KAmzK)

225 OT I got the dam flu from the youngest Minnfidel. 3 days out before the big game. Any Morons have any good remedies? This sucks!

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:35 PM (bXdYS)

226 I think you could use the word execute here if you mean it to say the killer tried and convicted the victims in his mind, sentenced them to death, and then carried out the sentence.

Otherwise, stick to words with no ambiguity.

Like murder.

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:35 PM (MQEz6)

227 Another officer shot and killed in FL.

Not sure about motives.

Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:35 PM (WlUIO)

228 219 She denied hearing Garner's eleven pleas that he couldn't breathe as he was strangled to death.

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (Y92Nd)

He was not strangled to death. He had a heart attack. His death was mainly due to stupid law he was violating and morbid obesity with little exercise.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (u9gzs)

229 OT I got the dam flu from the youngest Minnfidel. 3 days out before the big game. Any Morons have any good remedies? This sucks!
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:35 PM (bXdYS)


A little brandy, but don't to get into a car with anyone named Clemenza or Rocco and definitely take the cannoli

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (nzKvP)

230 219 Or looked right at it and saw no bad acts by the Officer.
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:30 PM (MQEz6)

She denied hearing Garner's eleven pleas that he couldn't breathe as he was strangled to death.
Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (Y92Nd)

He wasn't strangled to death.

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (MQEz6)

231 Another officer shot and killed in FL.

Not sure about motives.

Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:35 PM


Where are you seeing this?

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (bXdYS)

232 >>She denied hearing Garner's eleven pleas that he couldn't breathe as he was strangled to death.

He was not strangled to death. If anything, the cop kneeling on him after he released his neck hold and when Garner started saying he couldn't breathe might have contributed to his death.

The real cause was his obesity, his high blood pressure, his asthma and his refusal to comply with the police when they told him he was under arrest. A situation he was well aware of given that he had previously been arrested some 30 times and he was only on the street because he was on parole.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (g1DWB)

233 He was not strangled. He was not choked to death. He could still speak. If he was being strangled or choked that would not be the case. Are you stupid? Someone who is unable to have air in his windpipe is likewise not able to speak. Did you not take biology in middle school? you are an idiot

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:37 PM (zOTsN)

234 Oh please. He posted on his Instagram "they killed 1 of ours, let's kill 2 of theirs". And "giving pigs some wings"

What evidence do you need?

Posted by: Lauren at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (IWKHs)

235
225 OT I got the dam flu from the youngest Minnfidel. 3 days out before the big game. Any Morons have any good remedies? This sucks!

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:35 PM (bXdYS)

Sorry, no remedies. I've just been drinking a crap load of tea and honey. 4 days into it. Hope it's gone soon.

Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (WlUIO)

236 Cops lie, cons lie. We can say the cops overreacted in the Garner case in the context of the arrest being made over cigarette taxes, but let's not pretend the cops tried to kill him on purpose. That's where the Libertarians like Pinger go overboard.

Watch it Pinger or Gabe will scold you.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (BXkFh)

237 Where are you seeing this?

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (bXdYS)
Drudge has it now. It's been on Yahoo all morning.

Posted by: Peaches at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (6uib1)

238 So we have a new Hector here for this thread.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (u9gzs)

239 A little brandy, but don't to get into a car with anyone named Clemenza or Rocco and definitely take the cannoli

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM
....Had a little bourbon last night with some advil for the aches. Yea I know bad idea, but I actually got 4 whole hours of uninterrupted sleep. Of course my problems are petty compared to many. But I know the horde is good at multi tasking.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (bXdYS)

240 He wasn't strangled to death.


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Shush. Thats rhetoric. And according to our betters... a little rhetoric never hurt anyone....

Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (o/3Hk)

241
We have been through the Garner death, many of us here had a problem of him even being arrested at all, but this post is about whether or not this was a revenge killing and whether or not he was at least partially incited by those on the left.

pssst....yes on both counts.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (NtzGn)

242 OBAMA CALLS FOR PATIENT DIALOGUE

I will not rest until I find the youtube video that did this...

Posted by: If I Had A Son He'd... at December 21, 2014 12:39 PM (FcR7P)

243 Oh please. He posted on his Instagram "they killed 1 of ours, let's kill 2 of theirs". And "giving pigs some wings"



What evidence do you need?

Posted by: Lauren at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (IWKHs)
Thank you, Lauren, I was just about to chime in with that. Perhaps the only tweets gabe reads are his own. Jeez.

Posted by: Peaches at December 21, 2014 12:39 PM (6uib1)

244 You have a poor grasp of language on this issue.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:31 PM (ZPrif)

One I share with Merriam-Webster:
Full Definition of EXECUTE
transitive verb
1
: to carry out fully : put completely into effect <execute a command>
2
: to do what is provided or required by <execute a decree>
3
: to put to death especially in compliance with a legal sentence
4
: to make or produce (as a work of art) especially by carrying out a design
5
: to perform what is required to give validity to <execute a deed>
6
: play <execute a piece of music>

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:39 PM (oKE6c)

245 I can't breathe.

Posted by: America As We Once Knew It at December 21, 2014 12:39 PM (Dwehj)

246 He wasn't choked to death. That's a lie. And you know it.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:32 PM (ZPrif)

A NYC medical examiner called it "homicide" and specifically from neck compressions from the police's chokehold and "the compression of Garner's chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by the police".

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:40 PM (Y92Nd)

247 Don't feed the troll.

Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 12:40 PM (xF71N)

248 Sorry, no remedies. I've just been drinking a crap load of tea and honey. 4 days into it. Hope it's gone soon.

Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM
............You too eh? It sucks, I want to be around family at Christmas. We have Rellie's coming tomorrow to stay and I am stuck in the spare bedroom like a quarantined Ebola patient.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:40 PM (bXdYS)

249
Where are you seeing this?

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:36 PM (bXdYS)

http://tinyurl.com/lqrxkmz

The shooting occurred around 3 a.m. on December 21, at Glen's Eureka Apartments on Grand Boulevard in Tarpon Springs. Police were originally called out for a noise ordinance complaint as the suspect was banging on residential doors. When police arrived the suspect shot Kondek and then attempted to flee in a vehicle, but crashed his car into a pole and then a truck at Athens and Cross S

Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:40 PM (WlUIO)

250 Obama saying Aloha, then taking trip is wrong response to N. Korea cyber attacks, Rogers says

FOX NEWS

This NK stuff is a real distraction to Fredo and his golf game after all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2014 12:41 PM (nzKvP)

251 Too bad Gabe couldn't drag Ted Cruz and the shutdown into it.

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:41 PM (MQEz6)

252 lol, eman!

Posted by: Peaches at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (6uib1)

253 Is pinger a new troll?

Posted by: helloit's me Donna and I know nuthink! at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (Bn6aD)

254 Posted by: Peaches at December 21, 2014 12:38 PM (

Thanks Peaches.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (bXdYS)

255 If you want to blame any one person for his death blame the fat cigarette seller and Bloomberg for the stupid law.


Cops are not like Obama, they are supposed to enforce all laws that are on the books.

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (u9gzs)

256 Well I think it's time to see if some Touch Locker room Rhetoric from Mike McCarthy can get Green Bay out of it's funk.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 12:43 PM (BXkFh)

257 One I share with Merriam-Webster:
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You aren't helping your case here, dude. I don't want to argue it with you. We all know what is meant when we see the word "executed" in a headline, ok?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (ZPrif)

258 Ok horde. Off to get Super Smash Brothers for the nephew.



Ummmm, yeah....Santa wanted to test out the game. That's why it's opened already.

Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (WlUIO)

259 Give pigs their wings.?

Obviously a gift of Red Bull in the spirut of the holidays.



Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (o/3Hk)

260 Touch? Tough.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (BXkFh)

261 255 If you want to blame any one person for his death blame the fat cigarette seller and Bloomberg for the stupid law.


Cops are not like Obama, they are supposed to enforce all laws that are on the books.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (u9gzs)

The cops in NYC might get a bit more selective regarding enforcement from now on.

Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (MQEz6)

262 Posted by: RWC at December 21, 2014 12:40 PM

It sounds like it could have been a set up. We'll see. RIP and prayers to the officers family.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (bXdYS)

263 So where is Jugears on all this? Haven't heard a peep out of him, which normally would please me, but considering he usually puts his stinky foot in his big mouth on police matters, where is he on this one?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:45 PM (oKE6c)

264 Np, peaches. I read this and my immediate thoughts were, oh ffs, gabe, did you just ignore the things he wrote on Instagram?

Here's some "nuance". The guy killed his gf a few days before this attack. My bet is after he killed the girlfriend he decided "fuck it, I'm going down, and I'm taking some of those "pigs" with me". Just like that killer who killed his wife and then went and plowed over a random prolifer with his car.

Posted by: Lauren at December 21, 2014 12:45 PM (IWKHs)

265
Pinger may be a troll, but he is not out of bounds trolling in this debate, just mostly wrong.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2014 12:45 PM (NtzGn)

266 Tin soldiers and Sharpton comin'. I'm finally on my own.

Posted by: America As We Once Knew It at December 21, 2014 12:46 PM (Dwehj)

267 When that young Bosnian guy in St. Louis was pulled from his car and beaten to death with clubs and hammers a few weeks after the Ferguson verdict, with one of them shouting "This is for Mike Brown.", I'm sure they weren't incited in any way.

Posted by: GnuBreed, posting from alternate Universe Cloud9Cuckoo at December 21, 2014 12:46 PM (N3zZa)

268 Um, you guys do know that dictionaries don't invent language, they just play keep up with common usage, right?

People do talk about execution style killings when they mean something along the lines of delivering a coup de grace. Ambush would have been a better choice of term, but 'execute' is not the slaughter of the english language some of you are making it out to be.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:46 PM (A6vWB)

269 Over at Gateway Pundit. One of the Ferguson protestors chanting pigs in a blanket. Of course his name is Bassem Masri and he's wearing a Kyeffah. Fucker.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:47 PM (bXdYS)

270 A NYC medical examiner . .

Is that an elected politician in NY?

Posted by: Infidel at December 21, 2014 12:47 PM (1YT1i)

271 That Garner fellow was murdered for offering those officers a cigarette.

Posted by: Samuel Oliver Caleb Kingsley at December 21, 2014 12:47 PM (jucos)

272 So where is Jugears on all this? Haven't heard a peep out of him

He wants the white people to have a patient dialogue and the black people to burn buildings down.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2014 12:48 PM (NtzGn)

273 That Garner could speak was consistent with the NYC medical examiner's findings. He was able to force air from his lungs across his vocal chords, but he couldn't get air back in. The same way a mouse squeaks when a boa constrictor is squeezing the life out of it. Every time Garner begged for police to ease their hold on him, his life shortened. A chokehold can either cut off air intake through the windpipe or cut off the carotid artery sending blood to the brain. You smart military blog readers should know this stuff.

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:48 PM (Y92Nd)

274 I'll go a step farther. He was a soldier of the left.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 21, 2014 12:49 PM (FMbng)

275 Posted by: Lauren at December 21, 2014 12:45 PM (IWKHs)

I think he shot his girlfriend the day of the attack and she's still around. Or at least that was the latest I thought I'd heard last night.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2014 12:49 PM (A6vWB)

276 *sigh*

His Instagram posts outlined his reasons, as others said previously This guy was a thug of the first order, and probably relished the idea of killing police officers. That said, if the rhetoric was not a factor, why not kill some Maryland cops instead of driving 4-5 hours north to kill members of the NYPD?

Come on, Gabe; you're better than this.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 21, 2014 12:49 PM (WcdlL)

277 He was able to force air from his lungs across his vocal chords, but he couldn't get air back in.
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Now you're just makig shit up.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 12:50 PM (OBxdH)

278 The difference between rhetoric and incitement is not all that fine a line. Positing a moral equivalence between "Taxed Enough Already" (with its subtext of 'throw the bums out') and "Kill The Cops" (with its subtext of...well... 'kill the cops') is fundamentally dishonest.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 12:50 PM (NeFrd)

279 It's not that any particular rhetoric causes violence. Rhetoric, frequently repeated and incorporated into the culture until it becomes the prevailing wisdom and that is also given the appearance of acceptance or support by authorities moves the window of potential actions that people will undertake on their own.

Rhetoric didn't cause the American Revolution. But we didn't get to the point of having a bunch of angry colonists willing to take their cause to the field of battle by everyone sitting around silently. Rhetoric was employed that made the idea of fighting to be separate broadly enough accepted that the population was willing to join the fight.

Posted by: f2000 at December 21, 2014 12:51 PM (ONKYQ)

280 Cops are not like Obama, they are supposed to enforce all laws that are on the books.
Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 12:42 PM (u9gzs)

This cop decided to use a banned chokehold to arrest a man who had just broken up a fight.

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:51 PM (Y92Nd)

281 This is a stupid post Gabe. In reality all you are doing is calling for a media whitewash.

Posted by: New phone at December 21, 2014 12:51 PM (lBxPk)

282 So where is Jugears on all this? Haven't heard a peep out of him, which normally would please me, but considering he usually puts his stinky foot in his big mouth on police matters, where is he on this one?


Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:45 PM
..................Malakaliki Maka and Fore!!!!!!! 16 day vacations are a bitch.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:52 PM (bXdYS)

283 We all know what is meant when we see the word "executed" in a headline, ok?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (ZPrif)


Of course I know what they mean. I also know what gate agents mean when they say we'll be boarding a plane momentarily. They don't mean we'll board the plane for a moment, and then rush back off again. They are conveying that we'll be boarding soon, and that they're ignorant.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:52 PM (oKE6c)

284 Now you're just makig shit up.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 12:50 PM (OBxdH)

Not according to the NYC medical examiner.

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (Y92Nd)

285 I like to eat paste

Posted by: Pingger at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (jucos)

286 Come on, Gabe; you're better than this.

I'm beginning to wonder. This guy posted what he was going to do. Kill 2 of theirs for one of his.

Nice job for inciting from the JEF, Sharpton, Farakahn, Jackson, and on and on and on.

Posted by: Infidel at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (1YT1i)

287 This cop decided to use a banned chokehold to arrest a man who had just broken up a fight.

And he was a good boy. He waz turnin' his life around.

Posted by: Mama's Meme at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (Dwehj)

288 Sorry, the sound a mouse makes when being squeezed by a boa constrictor comes from intestinal air being forcefully expelled from the rectum across a tensed sphincter, resulting in a high-pitched musical sound that ignorant people interpret as a squeak. It is really an involuntary mouse fart.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (NeFrd)

289 Pinger did you know that some really fat people sleep sitting up because it too hard on their heart when they lay down? No?

Sounds like this really fat guy being on the ground with cops on his back stressed his heart. But he did have a heart attack. He was alive when he left the scene. You can argue about if they should've tackled him when he resisted arrest, but you can't argue he was choked to death

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (zOTsN)

290 "I think he shot his girlfriend the day of the attack and she's still around. Or at least that was the latest I thought I'd heard last night."

Ah ok. I just briefly saw her mentioned in a story. I still think it's likely shooting her led him to decide to go ahead and kill the cops, but maybe it was totally unrelated and he had planned the cop killing first.

Posted by: Lauren at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (IWKHs)

291 Well, needless to say you canīt blame people for arguing for "Justice for ...".

Now, you can blame people for inciting murder ("What do we want? Dead cops!") or perhaps even for studiously turning a blind eye to incitement to murder.

Especially given the Giffords Standard, where conservatives can be blamed for inciting someone to murder without sharing any viewpoint or motivation whatsoever with the offender.

Doubly so as under the Giffords Standard there is no need for any actual incitement to take place.

Posted by: okes431@gmail.com at December 21, 2014 12:54 PM (zv0U+)

292 The cops in NYC might get a bit more selective regarding enforcement from now on.
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (MQEz6)

They certainly don't seem to like the mayor.

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 12:54 PM (Y92Nd)

293 A chokehold can either cut off air intake through the windpipe or cut
off the carotid artery sending blood to the brain. You smart military
blog readers should know this stuff.


Don't look at me, I generate form letters. I would point out to really half-smart idiots like yourself that one of the symptoms of a heart attack is the feeling of being unable to breath. This is not because your trachea or lungs are compressed - though your lungs may be fairly full of fluid - but because your heart is not pumping enough to oxygenate your brain.

But you with your PhD in Physiology and Law Enforcement from John Hopkins probably know that already so I bow to your greater knowledge.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 21, 2014 12:54 PM (t//F+)

294 One other thing. Our enemies around the world are watching this with glee.

Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 12:55 PM (xF71N)

295 It is comforting to know Obama kept one of his campaign promises. He has brought 'merica together.
Well, into various opposing camps. It may be a big serving of civil unrest is part of the plan to remake 'merica. Obama is following a plan, like a community organizer or a General far from the front he tells others and others do.
You what happens and what he says are alternate universes.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 21, 2014 12:55 PM (WNERA)

296 When that young Bosnian guy in St. Louis was pulled from his car and
beaten to death executed with clubs and hammers a few weeks after the Ferguson
verdict, ...

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 21, 2014 12:55 PM (oKE6c)

297 "Every time Garner begged for police to ease their hold on him, his life shortened"

He was saying "I can't breathe" after the "choke hold" was released (go ahead, watch the video, I'll wait). He was not squeaking it out like a tasty mouse morsel in the clutches of a boa as you suggest. He wasn't saying "I can't breathe" because of the choke hold, he couldn't breathe (comfortably) because he was in respiratory distress due to his asthma, his health, his weight and the prone position they left him in.

Posted by: f2000 at December 21, 2014 12:55 PM (ONKYQ)

298 Garner was stopping by the store before going to church when the cops intercepted him and murdered him.

Posted by: Samuel Oliver Caleb Kingsley at December 21, 2014 12:55 PM (jucos)

299 delete the last 'you'

Posted by: Bob from table9 at December 21, 2014 12:56 PM (WNERA)

300 For quite a while now, pop psychologists have wanted to know why people do inhuman things to each other.

I think it's a waste of time and energy. There's just no explaining crazy. It's like nailing Jello to the wall.

People still do bad stuff to other people. None of it will ever stop. But if someone is in the business of controlling what other think, it's very important to mislead people, as the link shows.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 12:56 PM (0HooB)

301 Does matter that Garner was arrested over 25 times? Guess not.
I have enough of this for today. Too bad that the 2 NYPD officers can't sign off and go home. May they RIP. The rest of the agitators can go straight to hell.

P.S. Never hire Malor to represent me in court. I'd end up behind bars.

Posted by: mpfs at December 21, 2014 12:56 PM (si/E8)

302 A NYC medical examiner called it "homicide"
Homicide does not mean murder.

And I've been choked to unconsciousness. What you're describing simple isn't true, but I suspect you know that already.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 21, 2014 12:56 PM (KAmzK)

303 Not according to the NYC medical examiner.


---

Bullshit. No where does the ME report claim he "colud force air out but not in".

That would be a lie.... and you would be a liar.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 21, 2014 12:56 PM (o/3Hk)

304 251
Too bad Gabe couldn't drag Ted Cruz and the shutdown into it.

Give it time.
Why does he still post here?

Posted by: Your MSM Betters at December 21, 2014 12:57 PM (XzRw1)

305 A chokehold can either cut off air intake through the windpipe or cut off the carotid artery sending blood to the brain. You smart military blog readers should know this stuff.
-------
A guy who spouts off this much should recognize that the cop used a sleeper hold and not a choke hold and should know the difference.

Posted by: New phone at December 21, 2014 12:57 PM (UD3QL)

306 We all know George W. Bush killed Eric Garner.

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 12:57 PM (MMC8r)

307 Rotted sock.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 12:57 PM (XzRw1)

308 Pinger you are making it up. He wouldn't have been able to speak. The banned choke hold was forearm across throat. This cop didn't do that. His arm went under Garners armpit. That is not the banned chokehold

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:57 PM (zOTsN)

309 The cops in NYC might get a bit more selective regarding enforcement from now on.
Posted by: eman at December 21, 2014 12:44 PM (MQEz6)
.............Well they pretty much stated that in the PBA statement saying that two squads would respond to ANY call regardless of priority and that they will not be arresting ANYONE UNLESS absolutely necessary. NY is about to get their wish of not having aggressive enforcement of the law. Enjoy your 45 minute call time fuckers. Too bad you can't have guns to defend yourself.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 12:57 PM (bXdYS)

310 Our enemies around the world are watching this with glee.

Not to mention the ones within.

Posted by: Hans Gruber at December 21, 2014 12:58 PM (Dwehj)

311 How'm I Doin?!?

Posted by: Zombie Ed Koch at December 21, 2014 12:59 PM (MMC8r)

312
Oh for Pete's sake, Gabe.

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 12:59 PM (dFi94)

313 >>>So where is Jugears on all this? Haven't heard a peep out of him<<<

He unconditionally condemns the decision to bench Jay Cutler.

Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2014 12:59 PM (dVmLD)

314 You are full of shit, gabe. We know exactly what he did and why he did it.

http://tinyurl.com/ltavtrj

http://tinyurl.com/kj8qk63

Posted by: Bo Bo at December 21, 2014 12:59 PM (Khb5L)

315 Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:53 PM (zOTsN)

Garner weighed 350 lbs. not 600 lbs. But five cops sitting on his back didn't help his lungs or his heart.

Regardless, there was no cause to arrest him, no need to restrain him in that manner and likewise no reason once he was cuffed the EMT couldn't treat him. It's all on video and heartbreaking to watch.

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 01:00 PM (Y92Nd)

316 Anything that happened to the former thug know as Gardner, after he was told to put his hands behind his back, that he was under arrest. Is on his ass. Unless we have some new right to pick and choose which laws we obey.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at December 21, 2014 01:00 PM (xInes)

317 What do we want? DEAD COPS!
When do we want it? NOW!


If this is "tough rhetoric", clearly I've been doing it all fucking wrong.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at December 21, 2014 01:01 PM (bUmSq)

318 3
white



As everyone knows, a Tea Party, Nazi, Constitutionalist
Conservative, talk radio listener, Founding Father loving, John Bircher,
Stormfronter, anti-IRS, government hating wack-job.



and a skin head



That's a bonus.

A meme that has been cemented, oddly, by the violent rhetoric of the Democrat Party and der statzmedia....

Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 21, 2014 01:02 PM (XO6WW)

319 "The banned choke hold was forearm across throat. This cop didn't do that."

You can see his forearm across Garner's throat.

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 01:02 PM (Y92Nd)

320 I wonder if Sharpton is thinking twice about going out in public now?

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 01:02 PM (XzRw1)

321 Dick Cheney killed Eric Garner to render his fat for Halliburton.

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:03 PM (MMC8r)

322 Football babes are up

Posted by: Vic at December 21, 2014 01:04 PM (u9gzs)

323 Gabe unfairly frames the question. Is anyone truly claiming that rhetoric "caused" this thug to murder a couple of cops in cold blood? I don't think so. Like most everything, there are multiple causes.

Ask a different question: is there a high correlation between provocative rhetoric from government officials, celebrities and media types and violence? Now what's the answer?

I am beyond being "fair" to those who undermine our way of life. I have no problem charging DeBlasio with "causing" the murders. Let him explain it. Let him make Gabe's argument in public and see how that goes. Make them own their BS over and over and over again.

Dave's argument in the gun thread about NY's heralded gun control regime should also be repeated endlessly. Cuomo should be confronted about this too. Everyone of those jerks.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 21, 2014 01:04 PM (kNwE7)

324 I wonder if Sharpton is thinking twice about going out in public now?


I don't think Not-too-Sharpton is capable of much in the way of thought. Unless he can shake someone down for some of that sweet cash and get his ego stroked.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 21, 2014 01:04 PM (0HooB)

325 Anything that happened to the former thug know as Gardner, after he was told to put his hands behind his back, that he was under arrest. Is on his ass. Unless we have some new right to pick and choose which laws we obey.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at December 21, 2014 01:00 PM (xInes)

Garner was not breaking any laws when he was arrested. If "resisting arrest" is a death sentence, then you can see why the police are so popular now.

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 01:04 PM (Y92Nd)

326 Is it "NOW" yet?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2014 01:05 PM (W5DcG)

327 I wonder if Sharpton is thinking twice about going out in public now?

Hell, I'll bet he couldn't sleep last night just waiting to get in front of a the MFM cameras.

Posted by: Hans Gruber at December 21, 2014 01:05 PM (Dwehj)

328 Be well, going to go try and kick this flu and nap during the Vikings game. It's easy to do this year.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 21, 2014 01:05 PM (bXdYS)

329 Actually, I voted Gabe's piece for Strawman of the Week. I think it's a winner.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 21, 2014 01:05 PM (kNwE7)

330 I do wonder if Sharpton would like to see the cops policing his limo 24/7.

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:06 PM (MMC8r)

331 320 I wonder if Sharpton is thinking twice about going out in public now?

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 01:02 PM (XzRw1)


--------------------


Watch him get SS protection.

Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 01:06 PM (xF71N)

332 Pinger I am glad you have now dropped the claims of choking. He was resisting. He was a big guy with multiple health issues. It is a valid argument to talk about the priority selling loosies should have



BUT NONE OF THAT JUSTIFYS MURDERING TWO COPS AS THEY SAT IN THEIR CAR

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:06 PM (zOTsN)

333 Who will rid me of these troublesome police?

Posted by: King Henry at December 21, 2014 01:06 PM (kNwE7)

334 "tea party" types incite to political organization for lower spending by the government. The Left organizes for violence - see Madison, Ferguson, New York , etc, etc,etc, ad nauseum.

Posted by: free tibet, etc. at December 21, 2014 01:07 PM (lAXNl)

335 99 44/100% Pure RINO droppings!

Posted by: TexasJew at December 21, 2014 01:08 PM (xCalZ)

336 Garner was not breaking any laws when he was arrested.


***

Neither was Ted Bundy.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:08 PM (NeFrd)

337 Garner should have complied. If he was breaking no law, tell a judge. Resisting arrest will and should get your ass beat. If choosing which laws we obey is ok, it's going to get real ugly on the street. Dropping the hammer on bad cops is ok with me. This wasn't one of those. Only thing in that video I was pissed at, was no first aid once they knew he was in trouble.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at December 21, 2014 01:09 PM (xInes)

338 I'm out. Can't watch the troll being fed.

Posted by: Soona at December 21, 2014 01:09 PM (xF71N)

339 Well, thank God the police will stop overreacting now that a few of them have been killed.

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:09 PM (MMC8r)

340 He was breaking the law. He had a very long rap sheet for selling "loosies". Over 30 arrests. He was on parole iirc. And he was resisting arrest. You can argue if we should get rid of those laws but you can't say he wasn't breaking them


As to the hold. It's still not the prohibited chokehold. He came up under the armpit. Learn up

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:10 PM (zOTsN)

341 I saw Gabe had a post and thought, how sweet, he misses the Horde. Then I read the post and realized he just misses lecturing the Horde from his moral high horse. Bless your heart, Gabe, but you are dead wrong on this, and excusing criminal incitement.

Personally I think the cop killer was a crazy who was influenced by Sharpton and MSNBC to direct his anger at their hate target du jour -cops.

Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2014 01:11 PM (cbfNE)

342 >>If it is true that Ismaaiyl Brinsley was motivated by rhetoric then that is a really big deal.

He was a killer who chose two of his targets because of rhetoric.

And that rhetoric was NOT "political speech," as some on the Right have asserted. It was hate speech steeped in lies.

I gotta wonder if the targets were gays on the heels of a false accusation of gay-on-straight violence if your response would be so sanguine.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 01:12 PM (9BRsg)

343 He was on parole iirc.

I thought he was out on bail.

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:12 PM (MMC8r)

344 And we know this, incidentally, because he told us so.

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 01:12 PM (9BRsg)

345 Gabe unfairly frames the question. Is anyone truly
claiming that rhetoric "caused" this thug to murder a couple of cops in
cold blood? I don't think so. Like most everything, there are multiple
causes.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 21, 2014 01:04 PM (kNwE7)

+1

Gabe uses flabby logic, and a strikingly simplistic straw man argument.

Hang around in DC for a few years and you will be as confused as he is.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 01:12 PM (Zu3d9)

346 Ah, the Internet Hall Monitor strikes again.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 21, 2014 01:13 PM (wr4LJ)

347
Sources told our CBS affiliate in New York that detectives are making
their way to Baltimore tonight to meet with police and look into
whether Brinsley had any connection with the Black Guerilla Family.

BGF is a powerful Maryland gang, notoriously known for corrupting the Baltimore City Detention Center.
-------
Neighbor sees FedEx deliver a few cases of ammo to white guy- SWAT Team deploys copters, flash bangs, and pet shootings.
Black terrorist gang implicated in felonies to include murders- Investigate.



Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 01:13 PM (XzRw1)

348 You know, if the perp had decided on a shoot out with Baltimore cops as part of a Death By Cop strategy, I would be less willing to link the anti-police rhetoric to these LEO assassinations.

But this dude specifically traveled to NYC to kill members of the police department (falsely, I think) accused of murdering a black gang member (like himself). And he told us why.

SMDH

Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 01:15 PM (9BRsg)

349 I would say that the media bears a heavy responsibility for this. Their nonstop lies and distortions about the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown cases have sent many blacks into a seething rage about "injustices".

Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2014 01:15 PM (sdi6R)

350 Gabe and much of the establishment Right shares the same fear of strong rhetoric from the Right as the Left does.

That fear is why newspapers won't ID black criminals but will white criminals -- an irrational fear that right-wingers are a couple crazy angry speeches away from joining the KKK en masse.

So every time the Right gets legitimately angry -- at say some cops getting executed in broad daylight -- they see their role as trying to calm the savage beast.

It's transparent and annoying.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 01:16 PM (ZPrif)

351 Their nonstop lies and distortions about the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown cases have sent many blacks into a seething rage about "injustices".

You might even call their lies 'rhetoric.'

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:17 PM (MMC8r)

352 ah, the Internet Hall Monitor strikes again.
---
heh - "No Running! The sign clearly says No Running, people! Come on, you guys!! No Running!!

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 01:18 PM (ZPrif)

353 Posted by: Y-not at December 21, 2014 01:12 PM (9BRsg)

Excellent point.

I am no fan of police overreach, and the level of violence directed at citizens among many police departments is a national disgrace. But that is appropriately dealt with in the courts and the legislatures and local oversight.

Any comments from our public figures that suggest anything other than a strictly lawful method of dealing with this problem is incitement.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 01:18 PM (Zu3d9)

354 As to the hold. It's still not the prohibited chokehold. He came up under the armpit. Learn up
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:10 PM (zOTsN)

I just watched the video again and you're being highly selective. When he initially took him down one arm was around his neck, and the other under his arm. When the officer has him on the ground, his left arm is against Garner's neck and the right arm is holding it in place. It is not under the armpit.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 01:20 PM (mx5oN)

355 Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 21, 2014 01:18 PM (ZPrif)

And put down that stick! Someone's going to lose an eye!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2014 01:22 PM (Zu3d9)

356

Hogwash. This post is plain hogwash.

Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 01:22 PM (dFi94)

357 356

Hogwash. This post is plain hogwash.
Posted by: grammie winger, joy to the world at December 21, 2014 01:22 PM (dFi94)

Water's wet, sky's blue, Obama's a liar.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 01:23 PM (mx5oN)

358
332 Pinger I am glad you have now dropped the claims of choking. He was resisting. He was a big guy with multiple health issues. It is a valid argument to talk about the priority selling loosies should have



BUT NONE OF THAT JUSTIFYS MURDERING TWO COPS AS THEY SAT IN THEIR CAR
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:06 PM (zOTsN)



Pretty obvious that pinger would claim that if a guy ran a red light and a cop tried to pull him over and he kept driving to avoid a ticket and eventually wrecked and died, pinger would be throwing out stupidity asking if running a red light deserved a death sentence. Dumbass.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2014 01:23 PM (GULKT)

359 "I gotta wonder if the targets were gays on the heels of a false accusation of gay-on-straight violence if your response would be so sanguine"

we all know the answer to this one don't we?

notice that there is no blog post on the guy who went around asking gay bakers to bake pro hetero marriage cakes and the reaction of the bakers.

too much against the narrative

Posted by: fromabroad at December 21, 2014 01:24 PM (rnV3B)

360 Unngghhhh. C'mon! Squeak, you little rat!!! Unngggh!

Posted by: Boa constrictor squeezing a 350 lb mouse at December 21, 2014 01:24 PM (NeFrd)

361 Regardless,b] there was no cause to arrest him, no
need to restrain him in that manner and likewise no reason once he was
cuffed the EMT couldn't treat him. It's all on video and heartbreaking
to watch.

Posted by: Pinger at December 21, 2014 01:00 PM (Y92Nd)

NO REASON? Have you read ANYTHING about this? He was out on bail for THE SAME offense.

HELLO????

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 21, 2014 01:25 PM (0FSuD)

362 Gabe blissfully ignores the fact that the people who issue the violent rhetoric know full well there are people out there who WILL be influenced by it or take it as a rationalization to violent action.

The people chanting, "What do we want? Dead cops!" got EXACTLY what they wanted.

Gabe has spent too long in a city where too many people make too many declarations they never intend to act on. Like the GOP listening to Obama and the Democrats, he just can't believe the bastards are dead serious.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 21, 2014 01:25 PM (XO6WW)

363 332 Pinger I am glad you have now dropped the claims of choking. He was resisting. He was a big guy with multiple health issues. It is a valid argument to talk about the priority selling loosies should have



BUT NONE OF THAT JUSTIFYS MURDERING TWO COPS AS THEY SAT IN THEIR CAR
Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:06 PM (zOTsN)

I don't know Pinger from Adam's housecat, but this bothers me. At what point did Pinger ever say or even suggest this?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 01:25 PM (mx5oN)

364 I'm not sure what "facts" I'm supposed to be waiting on.

The killer said he was killing cops because of racist cops killing unarmed black men as part of a 2fer revenge strategy. "They take one of ours, we take two of theirs" pretty much sums it up unless you really want to find three-dimensional chess explanations.

The rest of the argument is just sophistry and hair-splitting. I don't think any (or at least many) of us are arguing that "What do we want - Dead Cops" rhetoric was the prime mover "cause" of these deaths. But it played a role.

The cheering for dead cops crossed a line. The constant race-baiting, gas-canning and over-the-top rhetoric is irresponsible and contributes to this happening.

Does that mean we should regulate this kind of speech beyond what we do now? No, but we should criticize, socially shun and stigmatize those who let their mouths run off like that. They're deeply wrong and what they're saying is quite immoral. And there's a reason why incitement to violence and advocacy of violence are legal offenses. Yes that toes a difficult line and their use should be limited to clear violations, but at some point we've agreed as a society that saying "kill them" is sanctionable in and of itself under certain circumstances.

There's no need for concern-trolling our dot-connecting on this. This isn't McVeigh or Loughner. What Gabe is doing here is similar to the Australian search for anything but Islam in the recent hostage taking. As with this case, the perp there couldn't have been more clear about where he was coming from, but some people just don't want to hear what the bad guys are saying.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 01:25 PM (QKIQb)

365 Hah. Everyone at huggingsomeglue says it was just the man that pulled the trigger.

Unless its a school shooter, then its the fault of the NRA, Bible-toters and gun manufacturers...

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 21, 2014 01:26 PM (uSAVP)

366 Helpful "conservatives" gotta be helpful.

I was wondering when the pet would make an appearance.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 21, 2014 01:26 PM (Q65Aw)

367 Yes, tough rhetoric is partly to blame.The Overton Window has shifted to the left to the point where "progressive" protestors can now openly call for the assassination of their political enemies.


Posted by: Albie Damned at December 21, 2014 01:27 PM (nGaMY)

368 He was able to force air from his lungs across his vocal chords, but he couldn't get air back in.

***

He didn't say "Can't Breathe." He clearly said, "To Blaaaaave", which we all know means to bluff. So he probably got involved with some ruffians in a poker game.

Posted by: Miracle Max at December 21, 2014 01:27 PM (NeFrd)

369 He didn't say "Can't Breathe." He clearly said, "To Blaaaaave", which we all know means to bluff. So he probably got involved with some ruffians in a poker game.
Posted by: Miracle Max at December 21, 2014 01:27 PM (NeFrd)

Liar! Liar LIIIIAAARRR!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 01:27 PM (mx5oN)

370

He didn't say "Can't Breathe." He clearly said, "To Blaaaaave", which we all know means to bluff. So he probably got involved with some ruffians in a poker game.

Posted by: Miracle Max at December 21, 2014 01:27 PM (NeFrd)



LIAR!!!

Posted by: Valerie at December 21, 2014 01:28 PM (MMC8r)

371
LIAR!!!
Posted by: Valerie at December 21, 2014 01:28 PM (MMC8r)

Get back, witch!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 01:29 PM (mx5oN)

372 I just watched the video again. The forearm was across the neck when they fell to the ground but it still isn't the prohibited chokehold. On the ground he wasn't holding the hand of the forearm across the throat with his other hand. It was on the ground.

And he wasn't choking because he was speaking. He was not choked. The better argument is whether the law against selling loosies should be changed to a ticket and not arrest.

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:29 PM (zOTsN)

373 47 "Give me liberty of give me death"
I KEEEEL YOU!!!
Posted by: grammar nazi at December 21, 2014 11:47 AM (AbfZY)

Is it wrong that I spewed coffee on my monitor when I read this?



Gabe, you often make good points with your posts. This is not one of them. You totally screwed the pooch on this, by both blaming conservatives for getting upset when we are wrongly accused of inciting violence, when it's merely the Left's contortions of our words to accuse us wrongly, and by not accepting the fact that the Left does seek violence against those who say no to their ambitions, and are willing to incite the minions with their words.

Posted by: Moki at December 21, 2014 01:30 PM (bAB8f)

374 Although what's the point of reacting to this post;
I don't think Gabe even reads the comments.

Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2014 01:30 PM (cbfNE)

375 It's interesting that the usual suspects are out in full force to make sure we can't use events to our political advantage.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 21, 2014 01:30 PM (Q65Aw)

376 Weak sauce for not playing by the leftist terms of engagement. Sorry no sale.

Posted by: Jukin at December 21, 2014 01:31 PM (WGm5T)

377 On the ground he wasn't holding the hand of the forearm across the throat with his other hand. It was on the ground.

Um, no, you're flat wrong about that.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 21, 2014 01:33 PM (mx5oN)

378 Last week in NYC it was safer to punch a cop than to sell un-taxed cigarettes. Now they're killing cops in the streets. But its totally not related to the "What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want it? NOW!" Chants.
Time for a case of the Blue-Flu.

Posted by: Iblis at December 21, 2014 01:35 PM (9221z)

379 If we don't want the police to interfere/that's a demand of their doing Their JOB in peoples going about their business then perhaps looking at all the do gooders laws and deciding what should be enforceable by Police .

One demands people stop things they dislike , big gulping, salt eating smoking losers
Rigth?\

need the police to enforce their ideas for the

children!

How about quit shoving laws on people where everything , even silly shit becomes enforeable?
one would say well police don't have to enforce This law.

I say do you want the Police to decide what should be enforced?


Is that a good idea?
so we don't want G-d police.
But ..
nevermind!

Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 01:37 PM (nqBYe)

380 No. I'm looking at a still of it. Cops other forearm is on the ground. His hand is holding nothing

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:37 PM (zOTsN)

381 "Yes, tough rhetoric is partly to blame.The Overton Window has shifted to
the left to the point where "progressive" protestors can now openly
call for the assassination of their political enemies."

That's part of my point as well. In the 1980's and even well into the 90's, this kind of thing was much less tolerated. You can't force-feed critical theory cultural Marxist America-bashing to generation after generation without bad results. The whole reason the New School intellectuals pushed this tripe was to cause social unrest, violence and ultimate collapse.

Education and media own social disintegration and its consequences. I don't have a problem pointing that finger. But as Costanza touched on above, Gabe's a reliable barometer for establishment fears of the morally and culturally assertive Right. When we act up, their liberal friends criticize them and they have to go into distancing mode. This piece is symptomatic of that knee-jerk need to please the PC tolerance police. It's preemptive tribal signaling that "I'm with you guys, not the wingnuts."

Hope this helps with the career; Gabe. Not doing much for your cred, though.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 01:38 PM (QKIQb)

382 I don't think Gabe even reads the comments.

He has spies that report back to him.

Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:41 PM (MMC8r)

383 The flaw in your reflexively (and increasingly tiresome) defensive stance is that the underlying movement-- which is merely Occupy V2.0 -- is completely unmoored from reality.

Such movements attract fantasists and fabulists who are more susceptible to justifying anti-social behavior. The psychology of the SJW crowd is that they lie and criminalize the object of their rage to form a Permission Structure.

Meanwhile, Const. Conservatives rely on Law & Order as the basis for their activism. Not ginned up outrage.

Posted by: Kirk at December 21, 2014 01:42 PM (GBnWt)

384 of course in Brown's case, i guess we shouldn't enforce stealing or roughing up shopkeepers either.

and zimmerman, a guy should just take his lumps, that's what he gets for guarding the neighbors.

Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 01:43 PM (nqBYe)

385 "Meanwhile, Const. Conservatives rely on Law Order as the basis for their activism. Not ginned up outrage."

Pretty much the thesis of Coulter's book "Demonic." They're all about mob psychology. I'm less of a Coulter fan on some issues these days, but she's spot on in that book.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 01:44 PM (QKIQb)

386 I looked at the video 3 more times. The cop wearing the green jersey with 99 on the back is the one that took him down with one arm under Garners armpit and the other across his throat. When they are on the ground the other forearm is under him on the ground. Garner rolls and the guy uses the forearm on the ground to try and restrain one of garners arms. The 99 gets up on one knee holding garners head to the pavement with his hands. The one for arm across his throat is not the prohibited chokehold and it was there for maybe 25 seconds.


You can argue if that is too severe a response to selling loosies but it wasn't the prohibited choke hold and he was speaking so he wasn't choked

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:46 PM (zOTsN)

387 "Radicalization" of young Muslim men is balderdash. It exists only in the minds of you conservative cuckoo birds
Posted by: Mabe Galor at December 21, 2014 12:21 PM (nGaMY)


Actually, that's correct. For much the same reason you can't make salt saltier.

Posted by: jwpaine at December 21, 2014 01:46 PM (a3NCX)

388 You guys ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: Emanual Goldstein at December 21, 2014 01:48 PM (WGm5T)

389 One of the things that irritates me about the coverage of this murderous
outrage is that the perp is always, ALWAYS named while the two police
officers, Liu and Ramos, are just generally referred to as police
officers - sometimes more specifically as NYPD police officers. Stop
giving the perp press and glory-please refer to him in some non-personal
manner. Personal obscurity for this jerk is in order.

Posted by: rabidfox at December 21, 2014 01:50 PM (COIkl)

390 I award this article from Gabriel as "most bullshitty article in Ace of Spades this year".

Gabriel, what you are saying defies common sense.

The lying media "hands up" narrative had nothing to do with their being assassinated? Al Sharpton attending rallies and marching with people who call for cops to get killed?

YES THERE IS A CONNECTION.
It was just a matter of time.



Posted by: Village Idiot at December 21, 2014 01:50 PM (bf86X)

391 You guys ain't seen nothing yet.


Posted by: Emanual Goldstein at December 21, 2014 01:48 PM (WGm5T)


***


I hate you!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:51 PM (NeFrd)

392 the national conversation might/could be.

how about clearing the books of laws that needlessly exist?

or make use of citations instead of jail or force needed to enforce?

sorry swinging at the moon i guess.
anyway i look at it Garner's death was a tragedy, He was stupid and the law (enforceable)was stupid.

mho

Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 01:52 PM (nqBYe)

393 Posted by: Emanual Goldstein at December 21, 2014 01:48 PM (WGm5T)


***


I still hate you!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:52 PM (NeFrd)

394 Posted by: Emanual Goldstein at December 21, 2014 01:48 PM (WGm5T)


***


Okay, I'm done now.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:53 PM (NeFrd)

395 Weird Dave and ThunderB nail it back to back. The whole issue with Palin/Laughner was not whether one person could incite another to violence; it was that there was zero connection in that case. The left stretched their "point" beyond any possible connect to logic or evidence.

Here, the killer said his motivation was payback. That doesn't rule out a mental health issue, but it clearly doesn't rule out incitement as a factor or the factor. Are you saying that even without the public reaction to Garner, this guy would have come up from Baltimore yesterday to kill these two officers?

Posted by: duke at December 21, 2014 01:54 PM (enhDu)

396
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:52 PM (NeFrd)


Okay, I'm done now.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:53 PM

That's only ONE minute, Citizen.

Posted by: Big Brother at December 21, 2014 01:54 PM (MMC8r)

397 Selling loosies should be a ticket. Not an arrest but that isn't the law

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 01:55 PM (zOTsN)

398 i know.

Posted by: willow at December 21, 2014 01:55 PM (nqBYe)

399 382 I don't think Gabe even reads the comments.

He has spies that report back to him.
Posted by: --- at December 21, 2014 01:41 PM (MMC8r)
--

Are they hawt like 007?

Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2014 01:57 PM (cbfNE)

400 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:51 PM (NeFrd)
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Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:52 PM (NeFrd)
========
Okay, I'm done now. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:53 PM (NeFrd)

*****

I think I completed my allotted time.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:57 PM (NeFrd)

401 Russia makes Facebook block page of Putin's top critic


Of course they did.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at December 21, 2014 02:01 PM (XzRw1)

402 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 21, 2014 01:53 PM (NeFrd)



See you tomorrow? Same time?

Posted by: Emanual Goldstein at December 21, 2014 02:04 PM (WGm5T)

403 A civil war is coming. It's not going to be pretty.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 21, 2014 02:06 PM (lG2E3)

404 One would think Putin has bigger problems than FB critics right now.
Huh, dictators, always so vain.

Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2014 02:06 PM (cbfNE)

405 We are now at the point when everyone finds out the consequences of aiding and abetting stupid. Worked for Mitt. (sarcasm)

Posted by: Huggy at December 21, 2014 02:07 PM (PGh+Q)

406 Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 21, 2014 02:06 PM (lG2E3)


Yes but I don't think it will last very long. Taking down some high tension lines going into blue hell holes will turn the savages on themselves. Outer Limits showed us how to do it. Of course the black police departments will keep the calm like they did in NOLA during Katrina.

Posted by: Jukin at December 21, 2014 02:08 PM (WGm5T)

407 Putin is not secure. It is all a facade. If Putin can't feed his army then he has no army. The Russian army acted like locust in Georgia. They looked undernourished in Croatia. This attack on trade/currency is a serious threat to Putin. He needs food from the west.

Posted by: Huggy at December 21, 2014 02:18 PM (PGh+Q)

408 This cop killler also murdered his GIRLFRIEND.

Posted by: Supreme Being at December 21, 2014 02:19 PM (SJ184)

409 In response to the commenters who cited the girlfriend as a fact Gabe might be referring to, this doesn't support Gabe's argument that rhetoric wasn't a cause. It may explain why he felt like he had a free pass to kill some people, but he selected cops and he said what he said about it. That's still a-b-c causation and logic.

Gabe's a J.D.and I think he went to school here in the People's Republic of CA so I'll refer to the CA legal standards. Rhetoric wasn't a "but-for" cause of the shootings, but it was a "substantial factor." In a civil case, that's all you need. I don't support civil liability for dirtbags like Sharpton in this case, because of free speech protections, but it's another reason why Sharpton should be a pariah, not a messiah.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 02:26 PM (QKIQb)

410 409
I don't support civil liability for dirtbags like Sharpton in this case, because of free speech protections, but it's another reason why Sharpton should be a pariah, not a messiah.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 21, 2014 02:26 PM (QKIQb)



And it's the media who keeps holding Sharpton up as a spokesman. If they ignored him, what influence would he have?

His credibility has been zero since the Tawana Brawley incident, and he has blood on his hands from the Crown Heights riots. Yet none of that seems to bother the media.

Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2014 02:45 PM (sdi6R)

411 simple test ... hold your nose, close mouth, yell.
watch cheeks puff out quickly

he was not choked ... asthma meant he wasn't getting enough air

"Asthma is a disorder that causes the airways of the lungs to swell
and narrow, leading to wheezing, shortness of breath, chest tightness,
and coughing."

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 21, 2014 02:51 PM (+/zkf)

412 @114 Isn't incitement listed as a crime?



Was Gabe out sick the day they covered that?

--
I guess we would need to know the definition of incitement and the evidence needed for conviction beyond a reasonable doubt under NY law.

You didn't provide that information, so your post is unconvincing.

Ace had a post a few days ago about this sort of thing.

Posted by: jbarntt at December 21, 2014 03:00 PM (OtTZd)

413 Next thing you know he'll be worrying about a Muslim backlash.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 21, 2014 03:43 PM (RZzX3)

414
The United States per Gabe

1. Open explicit calls to riot, kill cops and burn cities: not incitement.

2. Some random at a Tea Party meet-up wears a homemade button with a inkjet picture of Marco Rubio wearing a sombrero: a vile racist act that only serves to inspire those that hate and may incite them to violence.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 21, 2014 04:00 PM (kdS6q)

415
votermom: Are they hawt like 007?

More like Bradley Manning IYKWIMAITYD

Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 21, 2014 04:22 PM (XO6WW)

416
He was stopped by two con Ed workers before he got to the subway



He did not kill them





I wonder what race they were

Posted by: ThunderB at December 21, 2014 12:14 PM (zOTsN)


If that is true, those were two brave humans. No matter what race, they showed some real gut-level courage.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Check Out Our Humbugs at the Outrage Outlet! (Bahs not incl.) at December 21, 2014 04:59 PM (g+akU)

417 Remember all that bs about civility after the giffords shooting? Apparently putting crosshairs on a map that a schizophrenic didn't see was inciting violence, while a violent thug who actually heard excitable rhetoric and shot a cole people was just this guy.

Posted by: Ernst blofeld at December 21, 2014 05:51 PM (qT49E)

418 How is it that the assumption that the shooter was enabled/inspired/encouraged by the protests and the unanswered calls for violence against cops is denied, but the assumption is otherwise? Should all judgment be reserved until all the facts are known, or only those presupposing leftist culpability?

Because that is never a problem for the left/media. Doesn't matter if a shooter was inspired by something, or even heard what is supposed to have inspired him, or if the shooter is, as usually turns out, a leftist nut. The right is blamed, Republicans are blamed, the Tea Party is blamed, gun owners are blamed.

But at least this carries on the tradition here of being spineless candy-assed wimps, unless you are dead wrong, in which can certainty often attaches.

Posted by: Adjoran at December 21, 2014 09:18 PM (QIQ6j)

419 I call BS on this article. While the rhetoric of blaming the cops did not suddenly change these mobs and killers from saints to evil people, it certainly did ramp up the supposed 'justification' for their acts.

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