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"The notion that Jeb Bush is going to be the candidate is a fantasy nourished by the kind of people who used to run the Republican Party."

I don't have much use for Ben Smith but he seems right.

Oh -- Jeb Bush is apparently on the board of Mike Bloomberg's Bloomberg Foundation.

No labels, baby.

I've actually met him only once, in a gorgeous breakfast room atop Manhattan’s Bloomberg Tower, in front of a sweeping view of the East River. The breakfast was part of a series with a distinctly Bloombergian vibe: editors rather than reporters, healthy snacks, elite centrism. I asked Jeb there about the Republican Party, whose mantle he's now apparently considering seeking. He didn't need much prodding, either, to go after his fellow Republicans or to blunder into making news.
"Ronald Reagan would have, based on his record of finding accommodation, finding some degree of common ground, as would my dad -- they would have a hard time if you define the Republican Party -- and I don't -- as having an orthodoxy that doesn't allow for disagreement, doesn’t allow for finding some common ground," Bush said, adding that he views the hyper-partisan moment as "temporary."

"Back to my dad's time and Ronald Reagan's time --they got a lot of stuff done with a lot of bipartisan support," he said. Reagan "would be criticized for doing the things that he did."

The notion that Jeb Bush is going to be the Republican presidential nominee is a fantasy nourished by the people who used to run the Republican Party. Bush has been out of a game that changed radically during the 12 years(!) since he last ran for office. He missed the transformation of his brother from Republican savior to squish; the rise of the tea party; the molding of his peer Mitt Romney into a movement conservative; and the ascendancy of a new generation of politicians — Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, among them — who have been fully shaped by and trained in that new dynamic. Those men occasionally, carefully, respectfully break with the movement. Scorning today’s Republican Party is, by contrast, the core of Jeb’s political identity.

...

Bush was in the Bloomberg Tower for a board meeting of the personal foundation of the former New York mayor, whose aggressive campaigns for gun control make him, after President Obama, perhaps the most hated figure among pro-gun Republicans. The foundation’s focus includes two particularly bitter pills for Republicans: shutting down coal-fired power plants and campaigning globally for the kinds of new taxes on junk food whose introduction in New York City infuriated the right.

Yeah I don't get this. It's like when they said they had made a movie called RIPD, about dead cops who come back as ghosts to fight supernatural criminals, and that it starred Ryan Reynolds and Jeff Bridges.

And I said, "Why would you do that? Who is that for?"

And they said, "It's for everybody! It's got Ryan Reynolds! And Jeff Bridges!!!"

And I said, "They were more relevant like six years ago..."

And they said, "But imagine!!! Ghost Cops!!!"

And I said, "Isn't this just Men in Black with the supernatural instead of the sci-fi?"

And they said, "Yes! Exactly! That's why everyone will love it. Plus-- Act of Love!!!"

But they didn't love it, because it was a really dumb idea that exactly no one was asking for.

Oh: And the new news is that, allegedly, the Bush Brand is a now a benefit rather than a hindrance, as George W. Bush (and his dad) have risen in public esteem (or just fallen in public antipathy).

I don't have as much of a problem with the Bush Brand as other people; I have a problem with the Jeb Bush Brand.

I think it's absurd for a candidate's main selling point to be how much he hates the party whose nomination he's seeking.

You know, I don't believe in "The Base," whatever that is. I have arguments with those who claim to speak for this mythical Base.

I have a basic problem with claimed orthodoxies.

But I also have a problem with being an obnoxious idiot, and just flat-out running on a campaign of You Republicans Are Stupid And Everything You Believe Is Hatred and Distemper is an obnoxious idiot move.

I have literally not heard this guy say One Thing he likes about Republicanism or conservatism. All I hear is is List of Ways In Which We've Disappointed Him.

Well, I've had six years of one entitled narcissist telling me I have to elevate my game to gain his (His?) approval.

That's enough for me. I've had a snootful.

I'd like to be pandered to a little bit now, Thank You Very Much Drive Through.

Who are these dumb fuckers who think I want to be "challenged" all the time?

Pro-Tip: No one wants to be "challenged," including, especially, those who claim the loudest to seek "challenging" points of view.

Posted by: Ace at 05:30 PM




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1 You're going to fight against Jeb, but Jeb's just as likely as that goofy-looking son of GHWB getting the nomination in 2000.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 16, 2014 05:32 PM (MbqmP)

2 Still, it'll be a refreshing change from the arch-conservative nominees like McCain, & Romney that the wicked teahadists have been pushing since the 1870s.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 16, 2014 05:33 PM (MbqmP)

3 I liked RIPD a hell of a lot better than I'm going to like Jeb Bush, if that's your question.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 16, 2014 05:33 PM (iIzG7)

4 I love my son, which is why I tell him "No."

Unfortunately, at some point they don't have to listen to you any more.

Posted by: Barbara Bush at December 16, 2014 05:34 PM (uqV2n)

5 At least RIPD had Bacon in it.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 16, 2014 05:34 PM (iIzG7)

6 The RIPD comparison is perfect. I found myself catching some of that the other day.

A film written by studio execs.

Posted by: Brandon Finnigan at December 16, 2014 05:35 PM (HfX3I)

7 I can smell it baby, oh, and Boomer Power!

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at December 16, 2014 05:35 PM (q+zA9)

8 the kind of people who used to run the Republican Party."

FIFY

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at December 16, 2014 05:36 PM (HBAcW)

9 Think about it: a reasonable moderate like McGovern could never win the rehuglikkan nomination in This Current Poisoned Political Climate.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 16, 2014 05:36 PM (MbqmP)

10 on and McCain is not a Boomer, born in the 1930's

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at December 16, 2014 05:36 PM (q+zA9)

11 I now want a Jeb Bush/Michael Bloomberg buddy cop film.

Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at December 16, 2014 05:36 PM (NFDop)

12 Jebbis is a John McCain conservative.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 16, 2014 05:37 PM (8ZskC)

13 RIPD had Marissa Miller in it.


Posted by: EC at December 16, 2014 05:37 PM (doBIb)

14 Noelle Bush.

Posted by: weew at December 16, 2014 05:37 PM (0tmLY)

15 Why is Jebbs a Republican in the first place? It must be kind of embarrassing for him.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 16, 2014 05:37 PM (8ZskC)

16 If Jeb had won #FLGov in 1994, he would have been the one to run for President in 2000, and probably would have done a better job than W.

However, much like a fine wine, Jeb has turned to vinegar.

Posted by: The Balsamic Hat at December 16, 2014 05:38 PM (lN8KC)

17 Bloomberg has his own tower? Damn. How do stupid people get so feckin' rich?

Posted by: Trunk Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 16, 2014 05:38 PM (32Ze2)

18 Jeb is to conservatism what I am to male modeling.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 16, 2014 05:38 PM (KBIDy)

19 Hrm, come to think of it: is Jenna old enough to run in 2016?

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 16, 2014 05:38 PM (MbqmP)

20 16
If Jeb had won #FLGov in 1994, he would have been the one to run for
President in 2000, and probably would have done a better job than W.



However, much like a fine wine, Jeb has turned to vinegar.


Yup. He's like Gore, in that his resentment of the guy who blocked him out of the presidency will consume him.


Not that he couldn't use a reduction.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2014 05:40 PM (4nR9/)

21 I now want a Jeb Bush/Michael Bloomberg buddy cop film.
Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at December 16, 2014 05:36 PM (NFDop)
*************
With Jebby sitting on the toilet while his house blows up around him. Comedy gold I tell ya.... Comedy gold.

Posted by: Trunk Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 16, 2014 05:40 PM (32Ze2)

22 I'd vote for Jeb before I'd vote for Huckabee or that sweater vest wearing wet blanket. So Jeb is close to the bottom of my Do Not Want list.

Posted by: NCKate at December 16, 2014 05:40 PM (FPQut)

23 All this "Regan would have been hated" shit.

Here's the thing, Regan did a lot of stuff the right wanted.

The current crop can't even manage to do that shit.

As for RIPD, I never saw it, but assumed it was some sort of mindless entertainment, which, as it goes, is fine because sometimes I want low hanging jokes and action.

Not so much in my president.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 3 (short) weeks! at December 16, 2014 05:40 PM (HDwDg)

24 Oh my! Jenna would turn 35 before the inauguration, so . . . heavens! My heavens!

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 16, 2014 05:40 PM (MbqmP)

25 I dngaf who runs against Bush the lesser in the general, I will not vote for him.

He doesn't give a damn about the "base", me in other words.

I don't give a damn about him.

I didn't like Romney but I voted for him. Never again.

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 16, 2014 05:40 PM (rLiFy)

26 Seriously......fuckin' A

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at December 16, 2014 05:40 PM (uJK1E)

27 What's not to like? He's another Bush, from Florida this time, with a Mexican wife, and a daughter with a mugshot... he'll be a shoo-in! He's EXACTLY what the Republican party needs!

Posted by: weew at December 16, 2014 05:41 PM (0tmLY)

28 I'd vote for Jeb before I'd vote for Huckabee or that sweater vest wearing wet blanket.

Won't you be my neighbor?

Posted by: Rick Santorum at December 16, 2014 05:41 PM (8ZskC)

29 Can Jebby still grow a mullet?

Posted by: Trunk Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 16, 2014 05:41 PM (32Ze2)

Posted by: Rick Santorum at December 16, 2014 05:41 PM (8ZskC)

31 Bush said, adding that he views the hyper-partisan moment as "temporary."

I like the projection there. "You're hyper-partisan. But not me." Forcing you to accept amnesty and Common Core, even though neither are popular or desired by American citizens, is not partisan to the extreme. Why, it's what all the cool kids want!

Will no one rid us of this family of oligarchs?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 16, 2014 05:41 PM (1CroS)

32 Positively Bloombergian.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 16, 2014 05:41 PM (W5DcG)

33 It's not that new for a rich guy to campaign for President by insulting Republicans.

Of course, they usually do it as Democrats, so that's kinda new.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 16, 2014 05:41 PM (ZPrif)

34 "He doesn't give a damn about the 'base'..."

What is it with fat chicks named Meghan?

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 16, 2014 05:41 PM (iIzG7)

35 I think under 30 mins counts as a stomp.
CAC, even though now Brandon, still the Meatball.

Posted by: L, elle at December 16, 2014 05:42 PM (oqhrS)

36
Not that he couldn't use a reduction.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2014 05:40 PM (4nR9/)







*snort*

ISWYDT

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 16, 2014 05:42 PM (TIIx5)

37 Hell, Jenna already has her own campaign theme song: http://youtu.be/J2ycR7BdhVk

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 16, 2014 05:43 PM (MbqmP)

38 Nominate Jeb or the fat boy gets it.

*holds gun to temple*

Posted by: El Gobernadore Jeb Bush at December 16, 2014 05:43 PM (8ZskC)

39 please see the update

Posted by: ace at December 16, 2014 05:43 PM (E+pqw)

40 Least he's not a sno-billie

Posted by: Sally Clogenstein in Battleboro, NH at December 16, 2014 05:43 PM (q+zA9)

41 I'd vote for Jeb before I'd vote for Huckabee or that sweater vest wearing wet blanket. So Jeb is close to the bottom of my Do Not Want list.

Posted by: NCKate at December 16, 2014 05:40 PM
......I won't vote for any of those including Jeb if by some miracle he gets the nod. I've voted my last squish. Too many times I have done so and immediately wanted to wretch. I then had to go home and shower like Silkwood when I got home I felt so dirty. And the Party Of Stupid will keep giving us more of the same if we keep rewarding them. If they aren't going to listen to a huge part of their base then I am not going listen to them any longer.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 16, 2014 05:44 PM (KBIDy)

42 From what I have seen lately there are two groups of people who are pushing JEB and the Fat Man. The MFM and the money kings who donate so they can have a seat at the trough when the pork and favors are handed out.


And the news people like Fox are pushing JEB hard. .

Posted by: Vic at December 16, 2014 05:45 PM (u9gzs)

43 Shit..... The Bush Brand..... Holy crap, at this point I miss James Earl.

Posted by: Trunk Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 16, 2014 05:45 PM (32Ze2)

44 At least no one threatened terrorist attacks on viewers of RIPD, besides previous viewers.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 16, 2014 05:45 PM (9sMMW)

45 At least RIPD only lasted a couple of hours.

Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2014 05:45 PM (Rx8ML)

46 I have a hard time believing the GOP candidate is going to be Bush or Mitt. They are just sucking up the oxygen right now. Both look good on paper (not to conservative but as general candidates), but both will be facing a formidable field - assuming they both run. They should be respected as candidates, but I find it hard to believe it will be one of them to win the nomination.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 05:46 PM (gmeXX)

47 Will no one rid us of this family of oligarchs?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 16, 2014 05:41 PM (1CroS)


My sentiments precisely

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at December 16, 2014 05:46 PM (HBAcW)

48 Fox are pushing JEB hard. .
Posted by: Vic at December 16, 2014 05:45 PM (u9gzs)
*********
Good luck with that..... Unless fatboy has wheels, he is not moving.

Posted by: Trunk Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 16, 2014 05:46 PM (32Ze2)

49 Now let me tell you a thing or 2 about Common Core

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at December 16, 2014 05:46 PM (q+zA9)

50 The news is pumping out this JEB stuff, saying he is the leading contender.

Really AP? You are going to tell me what Republicans want?

Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2014 05:46 PM (Rx8ML)

51 But I also have a problem with being an obnoxious idiot, and just
flat-out running on a campaign of You Republicans Are Stupid And
Everything You Believe Is Hatred and Distemper is an obnoxious idiot
move.


It kinda makes you think he knows he doesn't have a snowball's chance, so he's just making it obvious that it's not HIS failure, it's ours.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2014 05:46 PM (4nR9/)

52 Vic,
Save yourself & turn Fox off.
I rarely watch it since 2011.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 05:47 PM (sj3Ax)

53 The fact that Jeb thinks he has a chance illustrates how out of touch he is.

Posted by: wheatie at December 16, 2014 05:47 PM (Dlofw)

54 Oh please! The largest reason that GW & HW have risen in the general public esteem is that they are no longer eligible to run for preznit, yo. If it weren't so, you'd still be seeing at least one network *coughmsnbccough* running 24-hour coverage on their evils right now.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 16, 2014 05:48 PM (MbqmP)

55 And another thing, that fat fuck in NJ can spend the rest of his natural life sucking Barky for all I care. I am never voting for him either!

I know nobody cares. Had to be said. As you were.

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 16, 2014 05:48 PM (rLiFy)

56 2 + 2 = 5 (for very large values of 2)

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at December 16, 2014 05:48 PM (uJK1E)

57

I just went over this in the thread below -- the idea was planted into Jeb Bush's head by campaign-officials-for-hire.

They do this all the time -- they solicit their services by starting rumors and hooking in gullible candidates.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 05:48 PM (6ndas)

58 He is going to run as the healthy alternative to nasty conservatives like Walker and Cruz who actually stand up to people and do horrible things like say what they mean and stand on principle.

But Ace, you have assured us in the not-too-distant-past that this will be a vanity run, and that he will be out before SC.

Even if you are correct, the problem is that he will suck up a huge amount of money and fracture whatever uneasy coalition we might have now.

An alienated base won't magically become energized even if Jeb gets his ass kicked before SC.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 16, 2014 05:48 PM (Zu3d9)

59 Anytime anyone talks about 'getting things done' in D.C., there's a red light on the dashboard of my brain that starts blinking.

I want someone who promises to undo things in D.C.

Posted by: 35 year old McCulloch at December 16, 2014 05:48 PM (F2IAQ)

60 Second look at Marco Rubio?




No.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2014 05:48 PM (4nR9/)

61 I think it's absurd for a candidate's main selling point to be how much he hates the party whose nomination he's seeking.
Posted by: Ace at 05:30 PM


Worked fabulously for Huntsman.
Oh, wait a minute. I guess it didn't.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 16, 2014 05:49 PM (W5DcG)

62 so he's just making it obvious that it's not HIS failure, it's ours.



Sounds vaguely familiar.

Posted by: rickb223 - #IWROY at December 16, 2014 05:49 PM (kW1lr)

63 >>You know, I don't believe in "The Base,"...


But "The Base" believes in you.

And follows you around, in secret.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 16, 2014 05:49 PM (9sMMW)

64 Jeb sits back, we feed him money, the press and the endless debates take care of the other candidates

???

profit!

Posted by: Big Money GOP Donors at December 16, 2014 05:50 PM (Tj+s6)

65 The good news...is that there will be only 8 Debates this time.

It was insane to have 22 debates in the last cycle, with most of them moderated by leftists.
Totally insane.

Posted by: wheatie at December 16, 2014 05:50 PM (Dlofw)

66 Thank You Very Much Drive Through.

Shouldn't that be "Thank You, Come Again"

Posted by: Apu started a new business at December 16, 2014 05:50 PM (DL2i+)

67 I think the only reason Mitt and Jeb are being mentioned is their ability to raise the needed money to run in the primaries.

That said, if either of those fuckers wind up be the R candidate in 2016, it will be the first time that I don't vote.

Posted by: L, elle at December 16, 2014 05:50 PM (oqhrS)

68 52
Vic,

Save yourself turn Fox off.

I rarely watch it since 2011.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 05:47 PM (sj3Ax)

This is their web site which is a news source for morning links.

Posted by: Vic at December 16, 2014 05:50 PM (u9gzs)

69 I think Jeb should start wearing those quirky socks his dad wears.

Posted by: Dana Perino at December 16, 2014 05:50 PM (XzRw1)

70 Heard about 5 minutes of Rush L. today while in the car, his theory is that Jeb is there to act as a sacrificial lamb to attack any actual conservatives, kinda like Romney did.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 16, 2014 05:50 PM (NtzGn)

71 "Ronald Reagan would have, based on his record of finding accommodation, finding some degree of common ground, as would my dad"

Oh, yeah, Jeb's dad, the champion of "accommodation" and "common ground" who said that atheists shouldn't be considered as citizens or patriots.

Posted by: Ezekiel Emmanuel at December 16, 2014 05:50 PM (noWW6)

72 I just went over this in the thread below -- the idea was planted into Jeb Bush's head by campaign-officials-for-hire.

Hey, baby needs new shoes.

Posted by: Remorah, Blutsucher & Leech, Campaign Consultants at December 16, 2014 05:50 PM (8ZskC)

73 As for Fatboy in Jersey.... Yeah, he is exactly the type I want as President. Someone who cannot even control his food intake is going to shovel money into the gaping maw of the feral leviathan like he used to shove fried chicken into his pie hole. No thanks.

Posted by: Trunk Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at December 16, 2014 05:50 PM (32Ze2)

74 I have literally not heard this guy say One Thing he likes about Republicanism or conservatism. All I hear is is List of Ways In Which We've Disappointed Him.


Showing up to campaign for Tillis and instead giving his stump speech eliminated any doubts I may have that Jeb Bush cares only about Jeb Bush.

That being said, I have no problems with him running for the nomination. The more people who run, the better.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at December 16, 2014 05:51 PM (IrByp)

75 Pep,
No to Rubio. He fell in with Gang Senators on amnesty & I don't forgive things like that.

Didn't he run against illegals? I don't know but believe he was for American Sovereignty.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 05:51 PM (sj3Ax)

76 What's this "used to"? Were you paying attention this year? What was once called the Rockefeller wing of the GOP is running (and ruining) what's left of the Republican Party, and they're foisting the duopoly of Bush 2016/Christie 2020 on us.

Posted by: steveegg at December 16, 2014 05:51 PM (cL79m)

77 It was insane to have 22 debates in the last cycle, with most of them moderated by leftists.

Totally insane.


Disagree. Agree about the leftists, but lots of debates gave us a chance to evaluate and dismiss the pretenders to the throne. You may not have liked Romney, but he was the strongest candidate who could win.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2014 05:51 PM (4nR9/)

78 I'd like to be pandered to a little bit now, Thank You Very Much

****

All righty, here you go!



http://tinyurl.com/9foq9zk

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 16, 2014 05:52 PM (NeFrd)

79 I will say this about Jeb. He is pro-life. That may not be the most vocal of base issues right now, but it is still a big issue for the base. He does not have to explain any past positions or changes the way Mitt did. He can always fall back on that to garner base support if needed. So he's got that going for him.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 05:52 PM (gmeXX)

80 Omg Insty: " Jeb's a nice guy, and would certainly be a better President than Obama - but then, my cat would be a better President than Obama, and I don't own a cat."

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at December 16, 2014 05:52 PM (IrByp)

81 DAMN I love this post. Especially this:



I have literally not heard this guy say One Thing he likes about Republicanism or conservatism. All I hear is is List of Ways In Which We've Disappointed Him.

Well, I've had six years of one entitled narcissist telling me I have to elevate my game to gain his (His?) approval.

That's enough for me. I've had a snootful.

I'd like to be pandered to a little bit now, Thank You Very Much Drive Through.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 05:52 PM (FsuaD)

82 I didn't realize that GOB from Arrested Development is a parody of Jeb (John Ellis Bush) until a few months ago.

Granted, I didn't watch Arrested Development until Netflix put on the execrable final season, but I should have realized it sooner.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 16, 2014 05:52 PM (b4b5c)

83 That being said, I have no problems with him running for the nomination. The more people who run, the better.


Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at December 16, 2014 05:51 PM (IrByp)


Because it worked out so well in 2012?
Ideally shitty candidates should self select out. Problem is all the shitty candidates are egomaniacs.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 3 (short) weeks! at December 16, 2014 05:53 PM (HDwDg)

84 I think the MFM is pushing JEB and the FAT Man now is mainly name recognition for a democrat with an R and a "moderate".


Lets face it, the RNCe and the MFM hate conservatives and will do everything they can do to keep them off the ticket.

Posted by: Vic at December 16, 2014 05:53 PM (u9gzs)

85 As far as the Bush family goes, Jeb has always been the soggiest noodle in the bowl.

Or the limpest dick in the bush.

I dunno. I'm just typing things at this point.

Posted by: Dang at December 16, 2014 05:53 PM (MNq6o)

86 I will be surprised if the candidate is not Bush, Christie, Romney, or hell, even McCain. The one thing we can count on is that the media/democrat/rinos will choose a looser for us.

Posted by: Erowmero at December 16, 2014 05:53 PM (go5uR)

87 That he would lend the family name to the biggest proponent of gun grabbing in the US, the wholesale end of coal fired plants and a fucking GLOBAL junk food tax is shameful and, frankly, unbelievable. Oh, did'nt his felching buddy Bloomy set him up with his own tax havened hedge fund to boot? ~spit~ . He is an arrogant, elitist prick and needs to shut the fuck up and get off the stage. Yesterday.

Posted by: eureka! at December 16, 2014 05:53 PM (uB6Jm)

88 75
Pep,

No to Rubio. He fell in with Gang Senators on amnesty I don't forgive things like that.



Didn't he run against illegals? I don't know but believe he was for American Sovereignty.

Posted by: Carol


I think you skipped the last part of the comment.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2014 05:53 PM (4nR9/)

89
btw, Ben Smith is a lying piece of shit.

Just wanted to mention that.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 05:53 PM (6ndas)

90 Okay, thanks Vic.
I have app on iPad & it alerts me to breaking news. Trouble when I open app & nothing shows up.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 05:54 PM (sj3Ax)

91 80
Omg Insty: " Jeb's a nice guy, and would certainly be a better President
than Obama - but then, my cat would be a better President than Obama,
and I don't own a cat."



We own two. Both of them would be better than the JEF and that mouth-breather Biden.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 05:54 PM (FsuaD)

92 who said that atheists shouldn't be considered as citizens or patriots.

Posted by: Ezekiel Emmanuel at December 16, 2014 05:50 PM (noWW6)


Yes, precisely. Those sorts of ham-handed attempts to pander to (his own prejudices about) conservatives & Reagan-republicans showed what a clueless dingbat he really was.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 16, 2014 05:54 PM (MbqmP)

93 It was insane to have 22 debates in the last cycle, with most of them moderated by leftists.

Totally insane.

Disagree. Agree about the leftists, but lots of debates gave us a chance to evaluate and dismiss the pretenders to the throne. You may not have liked Romney, but he was the strongest candidate who could win.

-----

Was it that there were too many debates, or too many lousy candidates? Probably both, but the latter was a big factor.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 05:54 PM (gmeXX)

94 As long as he continues to fund TSA I'm with him. A little light on the eyebrows but he is a good man--as long as he funds the TSA.

Posted by: Tom Ridge at December 16, 2014 05:54 PM (XzRw1)

95 But "The Base" believes in you.

And follows you around, in secret.
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 16, 2014 05:49 PM (9sMMW)



Technically, all your Base are belong to me.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at December 16, 2014 05:54 PM (IrByp)

96 rinos will choose a looser for us.


Posted by: Erowmero

Like, a looser stool?

Posted by: Dang at December 16, 2014 05:55 PM (MNq6o)

97 Tried to copy and paste the part about Nanny Bloomberg and NYC. Pixie won't let me. That is why I hate NYC and Bloomberg's fool Jeb.

Posted by: maddogg at December 16, 2014 05:56 PM (xWW96)

98 What's this "used to"? Were you paying attention this year? What was
once called the Rockefeller wing of the GOP is running (and ruining)
what's left of the Republican Party, and they're foisting the duopoly of
Bush 2016/Christie 2020 on us.


I'd dismiss this as paranoid ravings, but you did use "duopoly" so I'll consider it.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2014 05:56 PM (4nR9/)

99 But "The Base" believes in you.



And follows you around, in secret.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 16, 2014 05:49 PM (9sMMW)





Technically, all your Base are belong to me.

Posted by: alexthechick

Daddy sang base...

Posted by: The Oakridge Boys at December 16, 2014 05:56 PM (MNq6o)

100 I'm suprised the Pillsbury Dough boy doesn't sue Jeb for copyright infringement

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at December 16, 2014 05:56 PM (uJK1E)

101 Remember. It's Jeb Bush, who once gave an award to Hillary Clinton.


And also it sounds like he's trying to lock up all those Huntsman supporters.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 16, 2014 05:56 PM (z/Ubi)

102 Pep,
I'm sorry I saw spaces & name & missed your no.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 05:56 PM (sj3Ax)

103
The Make-You-Believe-Media loved the Jeb Bush rumors because it gave them a perfect opportunity to create a new narrative: The GOP establishment was emboldened by their victories [over the Tea Party] in November and "moderates" in the party now feel they have a chance in 2016.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 05:56 PM (6ndas)

104 Because it worked out so well in 2012?

----

We didn't lose because there were too many primary debates. We lost because we had too few quality candidates throw their hat in the ring and then we nominated Mitt.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 05:56 PM (gmeXX)

105 >>>Pro-Tip: No one wants to be "challenged," including, especially, those who claim the loudest to seek "challenging" points of view.

I most often hear a variation of this online when (some) guys talk about how they want a significant other who "challenges" them.

It makes me wonder if they've actually dated women who were in fact seriously challenging; who doubted most of what you said, tried to catch you in contradiction, kept you in the dark and guessing, and gradually wore you down by "keeping you on your toes." Who the fuck wants a new headache every day as soon as they kick off their shoes when home from work?

Posted by: blerg at December 16, 2014 05:57 PM (JVEmw)

106 At one point I thought Jeb was a conservative. Being Governor of FL proved to me he is not.



Simply put he is Rockefeller Republican with all the entitlement that goes with that and he gives a BORING speech.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 16, 2014 05:57 PM (0FSuD)

107 Iowa and New Hampshire virtually picking our nominee is what's killing us.

This has to stop or establishment hacks are our permanent future.

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 16, 2014 05:57 PM (rLiFy)

108 As I see it, the problem is that there are over 300 million Americans from which to choose Presidential candidates and there shouldn't be a need for the Bush family to regularlyruleAmericaas if they wereKings. The Republican party should be against the sort of thing that isn't healthy for the Republic.

Posted by: Speller at December 16, 2014 05:58 PM (J74Py)

109 102
Pep,

I'm sorry I saw spaces name missed your no.

Posted by: Carol


No worries. One thing you can count on, I won't be "coming around" to a Rubio candidacy.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2014 05:58 PM (4nR9/)

110 Just on principle, I'd like for the presidency to not resemble a title that is inherited through blood or marriage.

Posted by: weew at December 16, 2014 05:58 PM (0tmLY)

111 I'd like to be pandered to a little bit now, Thank You Very Much Drive Through.

I'd like to be pandered to a lot.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 05:58 PM (0HooB)

112 Problem is all the shitty candidates are egomaniacs.

It's in the job description.

Posted by: DaveA at December 16, 2014 05:58 PM (DL2i+)

113 Say his name backwards and its bj.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 16, 2014 05:58 PM (NtzGn)

114 All those words and you didn't even answer the most relevant question about a potential Bush vs Clinton election.

Do either of them play the saxophone?

Posted by: LIV at December 16, 2014 05:59 PM (GwDJT)

115 Just on principle, I'd like for the presidency to not resemble a title that is inherited through blood or marriage.

----

I'll be honest, I'm more concerned with ideology. If the Bush family was one who consistently governed conservatively, I would have no problem with a Jeb run.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 05:59 PM (gmeXX)

116 Meanwhile, Obama's former lover David Brooks is all Team Lieawatha now. Can't find the linky.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 05:59 PM (FsuaD)

117 >> And the new news is that, allegedly, the Bush Brand is a now a benefit rather than a hindrance

Oh, a Republican Strategist(tm) said that?

Tell me more.

Posted by: Andy at December 16, 2014 05:59 PM (NpxRm)

118 I will not vote for Jeb precisely because of what you state, Ace. Jeb Bush has contempt for me, as I am Conservative, certainly fiscally, and to a certain degree socially. Beyond that, I am Conservative in affairs of national defense, and Jeb's stance on immigration is perhaps the most important issue in terms of national defense that we face.

Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 06:00 PM (5+mPY)

119

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Pope Whatshisname was running for the Republican nomination in 2016.

The way Pope has been talking, it sure seems like he's testing the waters of how to please everyone.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 06:00 PM (6ndas)

120 75
Pep,

No to Rubio. He fell in with Gang Senators on amnesty I don't forgive things like that.



Didn't he run against illegals? I don't know but believe he was for American Sovereignty.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 05:51 PM (sj3Ax)

I have it on good authority that that Cuban sold his soul to the Devil amnesty.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 16, 2014 06:00 PM (u9gzs)

121 Say his name backwards and its bj.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk

Heh.

Posted by: The Bear at December 16, 2014 06:00 PM (MNq6o)

122 Jeb knows what's best for our children: Common Core. Whether you like it or loathe it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:01 PM (FsuaD)

123 Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 05:56 PM (gmeXX)

I don't disagree. I'm concerned a massive field creates the same problem over and over again.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 3 (short) weeks! at December 16, 2014 06:01 PM (HDwDg)

124 77 It was insane to have 22 debates in the last cycle, with most of them moderated by leftists.
Totally insane.


Disagree. Agree about the leftists, but lots of debates gave us a chance to evaluate and dismiss the pretenders to the throne. You may not have liked Romney, but he was the strongest candidate who could win.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2014 05:51 PM (4nR9/)

-----------

'Being good at debates' does not translate into 'being a good leader'.

And a 'debate' between any more that Two People...is not a debate.
Not sure what it is, but it's not a debate.

Posted by: wheatie at December 16, 2014 06:01 PM (Dlofw)

125 If Jeb came out and ran on a platform of repealing Obamacare and nominating a pro-life justice, he would probably get my vote. Just saying.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:01 PM (gmeXX)

126 *patiently awaiting jeb's ass*

Posted by: The Door at December 16, 2014 06:01 PM (sDapq)

127 RIPD was marginally entertaining and a good time waster. Jeb Bush is just going to waste everyone's time.

Posted by: no good deed at December 16, 2014 06:02 PM (w3a0Z)

128 The way Pope has been talking, it sure seems like he's testing the waters of how to please everyone.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys Girls

I know he's the pope and all but man, that guy needs to give it a fuckin' rest with the puff pieces.

Posted by: Dang at December 16, 2014 06:02 PM (MNq6o)

129 Meanwhile, Obama's former lover David Brooks is all Team Lieawatha now. Can't find the linky.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 05:59 PM (FsuaD)


http://nyti.ms/1DHF5bs

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 16, 2014 06:03 PM (W5DcG)

130 Oh, and Ace, don't know precisely how you feel about the Bush clan, but for me it seems like they fold pretty easy when pushed (war on terror notwithstanding). W folded pretty damned easily on domestic matters, as did his father.

Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 06:03 PM (5+mPY)

131 If I could sum up my campaign strategy in one word it would be "Manners"

Posted by: Jeb Bush at December 16, 2014 06:03 PM (9sMMW)

132 125
If Jeb came out and ran on a platform of repealing Obamacare and
nominating a pro-life justice, he would probably get my vote. Just
saying.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:01 PM (gmeXX)

If Jeb came out and ran on a platform of hookers and blow, I would take the hookers and blow, and vote for the other guy.

Posted by: flounder at December 16, 2014 06:03 PM (sDapq)

133 Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 05:56 PM (gmeXX)

I don't disagree. I'm concerned a massive field creates the same problem over and over again.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 3 (short) weeks! at December 16, 2014 06:01 PM (HDwDg)

----

Best of luck with the final three weeks.

I think the debate format should be tweaked for sure.

I think some candidates should skip more debates.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:03 PM (gmeXX)

134 116 Meanwhile, Obama's former lover David Brooks is all Team Lieawatha now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 05:59 PM (FsuaD)

--------

Barky knows that Lieawatha would knock him out of being "the worst President ever"...so that's why he's pushing her out there.

Posted by: wheatie at December 16, 2014 06:04 PM (Dlofw)

135 I'm waiting for Ann Coulter and/or Bill O'Reilly to comment on a Jeb Bush run before I decide.













.

Posted by: LIV at December 16, 2014 06:04 PM (XzRw1)

136 Y'all know I will arm the Syrian moderate rebels with stingers and TOW missles

We gotta act!

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at December 16, 2014 06:04 PM (q+zA9)

137
I love how Ace seemlessly weaves in pop culture with his keen political analysis.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 06:04 PM (6ndas)

138 111
I'd like to be pandered to a little bit now, Thank You Very Much Drive Through.



I'd like to be pandered to a lot.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire


Screw being pandered to, I'm way past that point.

I want a candidate that will stand up and declare outright that he is a conservative, believes in freedom and will oppose liberal policies.

/I denounce myself.

Posted by: Gmac- who is tired of all this at December 16, 2014 06:04 PM (baiNQ)

139 Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:03 PM (gmeXX

Right. but the problem is that with such a giant field, you get shifting loyalties and then you end up with Romney.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 3 (short) weeks! at December 16, 2014 06:04 PM (HDwDg)

140 If I could sum up my campaign strategy in one word it would be "Manners"


Posted by: Jeb Bush

Like you haven't thrown a few elbows in a buffet line...

Posted by: Dang at December 16, 2014 06:04 PM (MNq6o)

141 And a 'debate' between any more that Two People...is not a debate.
Not sure what it is, but it's not a debate.
Posted by: wheatie at December 16, 2014 06:01 PM (Dlofw)


A joint press conference.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 16, 2014 06:04 PM (W5DcG)

142 I read a few weeks ago that all big donors weren't giving to anyone yet.

The fact that Jeb is buddies with Bloomberg disqualifies him.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 06:05 PM (sj3Ax)

143 127 RIPD was marginally entertaining and a good time waster. Jeb Bush is just going to waste everyone's time.
Posted by: no good deed at December 16, 2014 06:02 PM (w3a0Z)

My humble opinion of RIPD is it sucked balls. My opinion of Jeb too, strangely enough.

Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 06:05 PM (5+mPY)

144 Third look at Mitt Romney?

Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at December 16, 2014 06:05 PM (tRdam)

145 The "Bush brand"? If we're talking about baked beans, I'm fine with the brand. If we're talking about the political dynasty, I think I'm done with the brand and am ready to do some comparison shopping.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 16, 2014 06:05 PM (iIzG7)

146 56 2 + 2 = 5 (for very large values of 2)

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at December 16, 2014 05:48 PM (uJK1E)


*smacks table rapidly*

That's what I said. Now, graph it and see what you get?

Posted by: Michael Mann, Nobel Prize Winner and shit at December 16, 2014 06:06 PM (UtwNa)

147 If Jeb came out and ran on a platform of repealing Obamacare and nominating a pro-life justice, he would probably get my vote. Just saying.

He could also seal the Mexican border, balance the budget and start eliminating unneeded departments in DC.

Then I'll vote for him. Not before.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 06:06 PM (0HooB)

148
Men In Black meets Ghost meets Dirty Dancing

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 06:06 PM (6ndas)

149 >>>> I know he's the pope and all but man, that guy needs to give it a fuckin' rest with the puff pieces.
Posted by: Dang at December 16, 2014 06:02 PM (MNq6o)

I'm a bad Catholic, but I have never disliked a pope as much as this one. I loved the last 2. Someone, not me, needs to tell this one to STFD and STFU.

Posted by: L, elle at December 16, 2014 06:07 PM (oqhrS)

150 If Jeb came out and ran on a platform of repealing Obamacare and
nominating a pro-life justice, he would probably get my vote. Just
saying.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:01 PM (gmeXX)

If Jeb came out and ran on a platform of hookers and blow, I would take the hookers and blow, and vote for the other guy.


Posted by: flounder at December 16, 2014 06:03 PM (sDapq)

I would take the hookers and blow, then sit out the election, because it would take time away from my newly acquired hookers and blow.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2014 06:07 PM (FMbng)

151 >>>Jeb knows what's best for our children: Common Core. Whether you like it or loathe it.<<<

Get with the program, baby!

youtube.com/watch?v=sr9_GfeoCjk

Posted by: Fritz at December 16, 2014 06:07 PM (dVmLD)

152 2 + 2 = 5 (for very large values of 2)
------------------

Only true in the Southern Hemisphere

Posted by: Kneel Grassy Tyson at December 16, 2014 06:07 PM (F2IAQ)

153 I'm a bad Catholic, but I have never disliked a pope as much as this one. I loved the last 2. Someone, not me, needs to tell this one to STFD and STFU.

Posted by: L, elle at December 16, 2014 06:07 PM (oqhrS)


While I'm not a fan of the Jesuit pope (we all knew Jesuits would make bad popes).

This last bit about dogs and heaven was an entire fabrication of the media.

My guess is other stuff is too.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 3 (short) weeks! at December 16, 2014 06:08 PM (HDwDg)

154 If Reagan was alive today and gave a speech urging Gorbachev to "tear down that wall," the Republican voters would think he was a confused pandering idiot.

Why? Because the wall and Gorbachev have both been gone for years.

Same with the patriotic Democrats that a Republican president can work with to make a better country -- long gone.

If Bush thinks they still exist, then maybe he's the confused pandering idiot.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 16, 2014 06:08 PM (LWu6U)

155 Well, it's a long way to the primaries. Jeb will have to explain himself. He's more conservative than Mitt. He's more conservative than Christie Cream. I'd take him in a hot salsa minute over the insane clown posse that currently occupies the White House. Love to see a better GOP candidate, but these things don't grow on trees.

Posted by: Uncle Bob at December 16, 2014 06:08 PM (3GFMN)

156 The "Bush brand"? If we're talking about baked beans, I'm fine with the brand. If we're talking about the political dynasty, I think I'm done with the brand and am ready to do some comparison shopping.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 16, 2014 06:05 PM (iIzG7)


Remember, Jeb's son won a statewide race in Texas just over a month ago...

Posted by: The Dynastical Hat at December 16, 2014 06:08 PM (lN8KC)

157 I want a candidate that will stand up and declare outright that he is a conservative, believes in freedom and will oppose liberal policies.


I've wanted that all my adult life.

I'm so worn down now that I'll settle for pandering.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 06:08 PM (0HooB)

158
he's ah-fuckin ah-terrible a-hfuckin ah-pope-ah, that one

Posted by: Father Guido Sarducci at December 16, 2014 06:08 PM (6ndas)

159 I will take a spit slinging conservative over a mannered rino any day.

Posted by: maddogg at December 16, 2014 06:09 PM (xWW96)

160 A Jeb candidacy would be more like the Mayberry version of RIPD



RIPD RFD

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 16, 2014 06:09 PM (NeFrd)

161 141 And a 'debate' between any more that Two People...is not a debate.
Not sure what it is, but it's not a debate.
Posted by: wheatie at December 16, 2014 06:01 PM (Dlofw)


A joint press conference.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 16, 2014 06:04 PM (W5DcG)

----------

Ha. That's about right, isn't it.

Posted by: wheatie at December 16, 2014 06:09 PM (Dlofw)

162 I be the Tea Party Assassin



Revenge ME !!

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at December 16, 2014 06:09 PM (q+zA9)

163 If Jeb came out and ran on a platform of hookers and blow, I would take the hookers and blow, and vote for the other guy.


Posted by: flounder at December 16, 2014 06:03 PM (sDapq)

I would take the hookers and blow, then sit out the election, because it would take time away from my newly acquired hookers and blow.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 16, 2014 06:07 PM (FMbng)


Why not take the hookers and blow and run for President yourself?

Worked for me.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at December 16, 2014 06:09 PM (lN8KC)

164 Jeb Bush
Chris Christie
Rick Santorum
Mitt Romney

Man.

I can't wait until 2020.

Posted by: Brandon Finnigan at December 16, 2014 06:09 PM (HfX3I)

165 2 + 2 = 5 (for very large values of 2)
Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll

*smacks table rapidly*

That's what I said. Now, graph it and see what you get?
Posted by: Michael Mann



You get an "F" in Mrs. Gorder's math class.

Posted by: rickb223 - #IWROY at December 16, 2014 06:10 PM (kW1lr)

166 Why the fuck is it that a Republican ALWAYS has to be bipartisan while a Democrat can say I WON FUCK YOU?

You don't see anyone in the media question whether Lizzie Warren is bipartisan enough. But it's a litmus test for a Republican to be viable.

Fuck that, fuck the MSM, fuck the GOPe.

Posted by: Hotair at December 16, 2014 06:10 PM (0LHZx)

167 My husband calls Santorum "Rick Sanctimonious."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:10 PM (FsuaD)

168

Aye, Reagan compromised with the Democrats.

Aye,...perhaps a bit too much.

But that was a time when Democrats were sane and reasonable and MUCH more conservative than today.

Posted by: Father Guido Sarducci at December 16, 2014 06:10 PM (6ndas)

169 Right. but the problem is that with such a giant field, you get shifting loyalties and then you end up with Romney.

----

But who did you really want to support. My preferred candidates never entered, and the one I could have supported was simply not ready (Perry).

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:10 PM (gmeXX)

170 It doesn't matter the platform he runs on. If he is the nominee, I am not voting.

Do you want low turnout? Nominate a Bush.

Do you want another Reagan era? Nominate someone who understand that gov. is the problem and is not afraid to say so.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 16, 2014 06:11 PM (LWu6U)

171 I'm a bad Catholic, but I have never disliked a pope as much as this one. I loved the last 2. Someone, not me, needs to tell this one to STFD and STFU.

Posted by: L, elle at December 16, 2014 06:07 PM (oqhrS)


That would include me, too. Just give me 10 raps with the Tactical Assault, cold rolled steel Ruler across the knuckles and get it over with.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizarro World at December 16, 2014 06:11 PM (UtwNa)

172 "You don't see anyone in the media question whether Lizzie Warren is bipartisan enough."

Seems to me there's no disagreement between Warren and the Republican establishment. Ergo, bipartisan.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 16, 2014 06:11 PM (iIzG7)

173 More depressing news:

States rush to ban POWDERED alcohol before it even hits the shelveshttp://tinyurl.com/pt72qpk

Posted by: LIV at December 16, 2014 06:12 PM (XzRw1)

174 Here's an idea.

Everyone attends the debate, and brings a pen and paper.

Except to Scott Walker, whose fists are replaced with chainsaws.

That's how we pick our candidate.

Posted by: Brandon Finnigan at December 16, 2014 06:12 PM (HfX3I)

175 Hell it's waaaaay early, but I want Scott Walker and Ted Cruz, in any order. Easy peasey.

Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 06:12 PM (5+mPY)

176 "The foundation's focus includes two particularly bitter pills for
Republicans: shutting down coal-fired power plants and campaigning
globally for the kinds of new taxes on junk food whose introduction in
New York City infuriated the right.
=========

Thanks, Jeb! I'm off the hook!

Posted by: Nelson Rockefeller at December 16, 2014 06:12 PM (JBggj)

177 If the Bush brand is good again, I'll take Cheney.

Posted by: Jean at December 16, 2014 06:12 PM (TETYm)

178 I'm pragmatic enough to understand that you will never get the perfect candidate. But there are 5 or 6 issues that are important to me. If a candidate agrees with me on 4 of the 5/6, that's good enough.

But Bush agrees with me on 0 out of 6. He wants amnesty. He wants Obamacare. He fucking loves Common Core. He has no intention of cutting taxes or spending. I can accept that whoever wins won't be 100% on all these issues. But I cannot accept a candidate is 100%% AGAINST all these issues.

Posted by: Hotair at December 16, 2014 06:13 PM (0LHZx)

179 >>> This last bit about dogs and heaven was an entire fabrication of the media.

My guess is other stuff is too.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 3 (short) weeks! at December 16, 2014 06:08 PM (HDwDg)

I have been given that excuse so many times that it's wearing thin. He just isn't media savvy and is constantly putting his big stupid papal slipper in his big open mouth all the time and being taken out of context by a manipulative media.

By now, he should have figured out the way of the world and how this game is played.

Posted by: L, elle at December 16, 2014 06:13 PM (oqhrS)

180 This last bit about dogs and heaven was an entire fabrication of the media.

His Holiness' actual quote on dogs in heaven issue was, "yeah, whatevs."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 16, 2014 06:13 PM (8ZskC)

181 States rush to ban POWDERED alcohol before it even hits the shelveshttp://tinyurl.com/pt72qpk

Next thing they'll want to ban is powdered water...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 06:13 PM (0HooB)

182 Here's an idea.

Everyone attends the debate, and brings a pen and paper.

Except to Scott Walker, whose fists are replaced with chainsaws.

That's how we pick our candidate.

----

I'm still hoping for the Cruz insurgency v. Jeb and the establishment leading to a Walker nomination at a brokered convention.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:13 PM (gmeXX)

183 172...Seems to me there's no disagreement between Warren and the Republican establishment.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 16, 2014 06:11 PM (iIzG7)

--------

Liz Warren used to be a Republican...so that's probably why.

Posted by: wheatie at December 16, 2014 06:13 PM (Dlofw)

184 177
If the Bush brand is good again, I'll take Cheney.



Cheney/Cheney (Liz) 2016

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:13 PM (FsuaD)

185 Mebbe Lieawatha can crash the GOP primary and declare herself a Republican on account of her great, greatgrandpappy twice removed voted for Lincoln.

Posted by: maddogg at December 16, 2014 06:14 PM (xWW96)

186 By past experience, This is Mitt's turn at bat. Republican always settle on the guy that was not quite good enough last go around.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 16, 2014 06:14 PM (LWu6U)

187 You get an "F" in Mrs. Gorder's math class.

Posted by: rickb223 - #IWROY at December 16, 2014 06:10 PM (kW1lr)


I thought my transcripts were.....Hey, wait a minute!

Posted by: Michael Mann, Nobel Prize Winner and shit at December 16, 2014 06:14 PM (UtwNa)

188 Posted by: L, elle at December 16, 2014 06:13 PM (oqhrS

I don't disagree.

But I have no idea how you avoid utter and complete fabrication.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 3 (short) weeks! at December 16, 2014 06:14 PM (HDwDg)

189 If Jeb came out and ran on a platform of repealing Obamacare and
nominating a pro-life justice, he would probably get my vote. Just
saying.

***


Isn't that sort of relying on a notorious premature ejaculator to keep his promise not do that thing in your mouth?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at December 16, 2014 06:14 PM (NeFrd)

190 Hey, you don't get a hat this big by not thinking things through.

Posted by: Pope Francis at December 16, 2014 06:14 PM (8ZskC)

191 And the new news is that, allegedly, the Bush Brand is a now a benefit rather than a hindrance, as George W. Bush (and his dad) have risen in public esteem (or just fallen in public antipathy).

He isn't running yet. He has yet to face a true poll of political viability. The first one will show him with the same numbers W had at the end of his presidency.

Bush ruined the name of the GOP by playing go-along, get-along politics with big government left that exploded in his face. Jebba won't have the chance to do the same.

Name (GOP, BUSH ) = mud

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 16, 2014 06:14 PM (TG6EC)

192 Does anybody have any paste?

Posted by: J. Biden at December 16, 2014 06:14 PM (vntmB)

193
Do you know what I saw in Hole Foods the other day?

Powdered Peanut Butter. It is virtually fat free when reconstituted with water. I never knew we had this technology.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 06:15 PM (6ndas)

194 I'm pragmatic enough to understand that you will never get the perfect candidate. But there are 5 or 6 issues that are important to me. If a candidate agrees with me on 4 of the 5/6, that's good enough.

But Bush agrees with me on 0 out of 6. He wants amnesty. He wants Obamacare. He fucking loves Common Core. He has no intention of cutting taxes or spending. I can accept that whoever wins won't be 100% on all these issues. But I cannot accept a candidate is 100%% AGAINST all these issues.
Posted by: Hotair at December 16, 2014 06:13 PM (0LHZx)

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A fair statement. He is 100% pro-life which is a big issue for me. I will not vote for someone who is not pro-life. It doesn't have to be their big thing, but I need to know that they are a committed pro-lifer.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:15 PM (gmeXX)

195 States rush to ban POWDERED alcohol before it
even hits the shelves



Instructions: Mix one pouch with 1 gallon of water.

Horde: Mix two pouches in one glass.

Posted by: rickb223 - #IWROY at December 16, 2014 06:15 PM (kW1lr)

196 "Liz Warren used to be a Republican...so that's probably why."

The Republicans used to be Republicans, too, before they accepted the thirty pieces of silver in exchange for their souls. So that's another reason why.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 16, 2014 06:15 PM (iIzG7)

197 I hate to say it, but just like the fix was in with McCain, and then Romney, so it will be with Bush or similar RINO. I see nothing to make me believe 2016 will be any different. There's too many on the "Right" who will be more than willing to be stooges for the RINO establishment, and will jump right in to trash anyone with any conservative bona fides.

Posted by: Havedash at December 16, 2014 06:15 PM (G1XMn)

198 OT

Common Core Makes a Cameo on "Jeopardy!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4GGAtLYppw

Posted by: The Uncommon Hat at December 16, 2014 06:16 PM (lN8KC)

199 If you want to beat Jeb you better get a candidate out there. And by "get a candidate out there" I mean you'll have to convince someone else to run for office.


Which is always the hard part, finding someone willing to do that. So...who is going to jump into the race?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Check Out Our Humbugs at the Outrage Outlet! (Bahs not incl.) at December 16, 2014 06:16 PM (g+akU)

200 Powdered Peanut Butter. It is virtually fat free when reconstituted with water. I never knew we had this technology.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys Girls at December 16, 2014 06:15 PM (6ndas)

My people called them, peanuts.
Hey, how are ya?Hey, how are ya?

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at December 16, 2014 06:16 PM (sDapq)

201
Liz Warren used to be a Republican...so that's probably why.
Posted by: wheatie at December 16, 2014 06:13 PM (Dlofw)

Just fucking great. I could have gone all day without knowing that. It's getting harder and harder to rationalize supporting a two party system.

Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 06:16 PM (5+mPY)

202 Walker/Perry 2016


It's a winner. Let's do it!

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 16, 2014 06:16 PM (0FSuD)

203 By past experience, This is Mitt's turn at bat. Republican always settle on the guy that was not quite good enough last go around.

----

So if Mitt loses again, do we have to keep nominating him?

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:16 PM (gmeXX)

204 I had Beck on yesterday & thought he said Santorum was running again. Has he stayed in Iowa the past two years kissing butts of caucus voters?

Iowa should not be state that determines our nominee & neither should NH.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 06:16 PM (sj3Ax)

205 Conservative Sadomasochists for Jeb Bush - 2016!!!

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 16, 2014 06:16 PM (AC0lD)

206 Know what's going to be funny? When he comes out with a campaign promising on his sacred honor to repeal Obamacare, seal the border, balance the bidget, and reduce regulations.

Because you know he will, and if his hair looks nice that day and he says it loudly, many primary voters will believe it unreservedly.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 16, 2014 06:17 PM (GwDJT)

207 I blame Barbara Bush. She was obviously too busy playing Lady Bountiful/Faux Aristocrat to raise her sons, so she pawned them off on the Mexican help. That's why they want to turn the US into a Latin American crap hole - it's an act of love]/i].

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at December 16, 2014 06:17 PM (eDZbN)

208 Ooops!

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at December 16, 2014 06:18 PM (eDZbN)

209 Great post, Ace. I especially liked the use of the word "snootfull".

And ditto on wanting to be pandered to and to not want to be "challenged". I especially don't want to be "challenged" by mentally-challenged pols!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 16, 2014 06:18 PM (rldyO)

210 Which is always the hard part, finding someone willing to do that. So...who is going to jump into the race?

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Pretty sure Perry is. Why not, he has nothing else to do. I think he'll impress. We will see.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:18 PM (gmeXX)

211 Know what's going to be funny? When he comes out with a campaign promising on his sacred honor to repeal Obamacare, seal the border, balance the bidget, and reduce regulations.

He can use my script. The wingnuts just eat that shit up.

Posted by: John McCain, America's Conservative Choice at December 16, 2014 06:18 PM (8ZskC)

212 yo,

we are those 4 million who sat home rather than vote for Romney in 2012 , and we made some new drinkin friends



Posted by: 8 million voters at December 16, 2014 06:18 PM (q+zA9)

213 Instructions: Mix one pouch with 1 gallon of water.

Horde: Mix two pouches in one glass.



Barrel: Eat directly from bag.

Posted by: CM at December 16, 2014 06:18 PM (0NdlF)

214 So if Mitt loses again, do we have to keep nominating him?

I dunno what his big deal is. After he dies he gets his own damn planet to rule. Why meddle with ours any more?

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 16, 2014 06:18 PM (MbqmP)

215 Horde: Mix snort two pouches. in one glass.
Posted by: rickb223

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2014 06:18 PM (F2IAQ)

216 Powdered Peanut Butter. It is virtually fat free when reconstituted with water. I never knew we had this technology.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 06:15 PM (6ndas)


Oh, you bet. Nothing better than liquid paper spread over bread.

Nummy.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizarro World at December 16, 2014 06:18 PM (UtwNa)

217 Horde: Mix two pouches in one glass.

ONT: snort pouch, drink straight from bottle.

Posted by: DaveA at December 16, 2014 06:19 PM (DL2i+)

218
Nothing else to do?
Rick Perry will be busy in court.
And he'll probably be convicted.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 06:19 PM (6ndas)

219 Barrel avoided!

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at December 16, 2014 06:19 PM (eDZbN)

220 @147....Yea, that's the saddest thing about republicans, they show up to a knife fight, armed with cupcakes.

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at December 16, 2014 06:19 PM (uJK1E)

221 204
I had Beck on yesterday thought he said Santorum was running again.



I'm pretty sure that pinch-faced scold is running again.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:20 PM (FsuaD)

222 >>> Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 3 (short) weeks! at December 16, 2014 06:14 PM (HDwDg)

I probably don't disagree with you either on Catholic things, but, if nothing else, this Vicar seems hell bent on this stupid strategy of appealing to the deadbeat Catholics that will have the same success as the Western appeal to the religion of beheaders and rapists.

Posted by: L, elle at December 16, 2014 06:20 PM (oqhrS)

223 Cruz on Fox right now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:21 PM (FsuaD)

224 I had Beck on yesterday thought he said Santorum was running again.


I'm pretty sure that pinch-faced scold is running again.

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You know I wouldn't mind someone making the populist case for our side.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:21 PM (gmeXX)

225 147....Yea, that's the saddest thing about republicans, they show up to a knife fight, armed with cupcakes.

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at December 16, 2014 06:19 PM
========

That depends on the Republican.


Nearly off topic - what a great pic of Sarah Palin and that perforated pig.

Posted by: mrp at December 16, 2014 06:21 PM (JBggj)

226 That's just great, Jane.
We don't need him either.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 06:22 PM (sj3Ax)

227 I probably don't disagree with you either on Catholic things, but, if nothing else, this Vicar seems hell bent on this stupid strategy of appealing to the deadbeat Catholics that will have the same success as the Western appeal to the religion of beheaders and rapists.

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What's wrong with making Catholicism more appealing to lapsed Catholics or non-Catholics if none of its tenants are being modified?

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:22 PM (gmeXX)

228 I look forward to Nikki Haley running some day. Watch the Left wrap their tiny minds around a Sikh (converted to Christianity) running.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:22 PM (FsuaD)

229 The "Reagan wouldn't get elected today because he was X or he believed X" is dumb as hell.

It's like declaring "George Washington could not be elected today because he is a slave owner."

Posted by: Buzzion at December 16, 2014 06:23 PM (z/Ubi)

230 Nearly off topic - what a great pic of Sarah Palin and that perforated pig.
Posted by: mrp at December 16, 2014 06:21 PM (JBggj)

She finally ran into Christie, eh?

Posted by: Kraken at December 16, 2014 06:23 PM (5+mPY)

231 @193 Do you know what I saw in Hole Foods the other day?

Powdered Peanut Butter. It is virtually fat free when reconstituted with water. I never knew we had this technology.
----------------------

That's nothing.

You know what I see in the supermarket?

BABY POWDER!


/shamelessly stealing an old Yakov Smirnov joke

Posted by: junior at December 16, 2014 06:23 PM (UWFpX)

232
are you suggesting the Catholic Church ought to modernize its beliefs in order to gain more members??

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 06:24 PM (6ndas)

233 I'm still not getting the hatred towards Mitt. He would have been (and could still be) a good prezie.

Perfect? No. Good. Yes.

I'd have no problem with him as the nominee in 2016. And all the bullshit attacks on him by Hillary/Fauxcahontas won't be as effective the second time around.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 06:24 PM (0LHZx)

234 are you suggesting the Catholic Church ought to modernize its beliefs in order to gain more members??

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No, nor is Pope Francis doing this.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:25 PM (gmeXX)

235 193 Do you know what I saw in Hole Foods the other day?


A smelly feminazi with hairy underarms? A bevy of hipsters? A couple of aging hippies with scraggly ponytails?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:25 PM (FsuaD)

236
Jeb, 2016. What could possibly go wrong?

It's not like there is any history of a Clinton kicking the sh!t out of a centristish Bush at the polls or anything.

"Read my love lips, immigracion, si puede!"

Posted by: Haydare at December 16, 2014 06:25 PM (Xv7f/)

237 are you suggesting the Catholic Church ought to modernize its beliefs in order to gain more members??
Posted by: Soothsayer's
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In which case, they would not be beliefs, no?

Just malleable suggestions.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2014 06:25 PM (kgisg)

238 >>Those men occasionally, carefully, respectfully break with the movement. Scorning today's Republican Party is, by contrast, the core of Jeb's political identity.

Exactly.

I hope he fails.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 16, 2014 06:25 PM (r+7wo)

239 2008

2012


2016 victory !!

Posted by: Mitt at December 16, 2014 06:26 PM (q+zA9)

240 Do you know what I saw in Hole Foods the other day?
----------------

A smelly feminazi with hairy underarms? A bevy of hipsters? A couple of aging hippies with scraggly ponytails?


Inorganic food?

Posted by: CM at December 16, 2014 06:26 PM (0NdlF)

241 Cruz is good on Fox.
Thanks, Jane.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 06:26 PM (sj3Ax)

242 233
I'm still not getting the hatred towards Mitt. He would have been (and could still be) a good prezie.



Perfect? No. Good. Yes.



I'd have no problem with him as the nominee in 2016. And all the
bullshit attacks on him by Hillary/Fauxcahontas won't be as effective
the second time around.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 06:24 PM (0LHZx)

That reminds me of that old joke. What do you get when you cross a Rhino with a Cow?

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at December 16, 2014 06:27 PM (sDapq)

243 At least with Mitt we wouldn't have an angry, entitled scold ordering schools what to serve our children for lunch.

So there would have been that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:27 PM (FsuaD)

244 Pretty sure Perry is. Why not, he has nothing else to do. I think he'll impress. We will see.





Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:18 PM (gmeXX)


I mention this because the candidates have to volunteer to run for president, no matter what the "establishment" or the "base" or whichever faction wants what. The candidates that are available are those who are running and no others. Enjoy.
(Nice Hash, by the way)

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Check Out Our Humbugs at the Outrage Outlet! (Bahs not incl.) at December 16, 2014 06:27 PM (g+akU)

245 Aside from amnesty, which Romney and Obama pretty much fully agree on, does anyone think Romney wouldn't have been at least 1000% better than Obama on just about every issue?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 06:28 PM (0LHZx)

246 I'm still not getting the hatred towards Mitt. He would have been (and could still be) a good prezie.

---

I don't think it is hatred - most people seem to genuinely like him. But he was a bad candidate - that is simply a fact. He may have been a good president, though I have my doubts. Better than what we have - of course. But I honestly do not know.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:28 PM (gmeXX)

247 218 Nothing else to do?
Rick Perry will be busy in court.
And he'll probably be convicted.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys Girls at December 16, 2014 06:19 PM (6ndas)

--------

No he won't, Sooth.

The Dems are already figuring out that if Perry is convicted of 'Abuse of Power' for vetoing some funding...then it sets a dangerous precedent that leaves Obamby wide open for the same.

Posted by: wheatie at December 16, 2014 06:29 PM (Dlofw)

248 I'd have no problem with him as the nominee in 2016. And all the bullshit attacks on him by Hillary/Fauxcahontas won't be as effective the second time around.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 06:24 PM (0LHZx)

*******

I see that you slept through his last two runs for Preezy, where he savaged other Republicans but then played patty cake with Democrats.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at December 16, 2014 06:29 PM (eLjug)

249 And before anyone says Romneycare.....just rememmber Romneycare was actually written by the Democrats in MA who had 75% of seats and could override all of Romney's vetoes. He vetoed 8 bills that ultimately became part of Romneycare.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 06:29 PM (0LHZx)

250 I am a lot more concerned how my underwear fits in the crack area than what Jeb Bush want's to do. But hey that's just me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 16, 2014 06:29 PM (nzKvP)

251 does anyone think Romney wouldn't have been at least 1000% better than Obama on just about every issue?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 06:28 PM (0LHZx)


you shoulda seen my Syria policy to arm all thos moderates, who chop off heads with a SHARP knife

Posted by: Mitt at December 16, 2014 06:29 PM (q+zA9)

252 Aside from amnesty, which Romney and Obama pretty much fully agree on, does anyone think Romney wouldn't have been at least 1000% better than Obama on just about every issue?

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I have my doubts he would have cut any spending. Therefore on that issue he would be the exact same.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:30 PM (gmeXX)

253 I see that you slept through his last two runs for Preezy, where he savaged other Republicans but then played patty cake with Democrats.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at December 16, 2014 06:29 PM (eLjug)

_____________

His campaign in 2012 sucked. But you'd think he learned a thing or two from the loss.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 06:30 PM (0LHZx)

254 Having lived through the Jeb years down here as gubinadoro, he was just "meh."

He also hasn't said or done anything in the years afterwards to make me want to vote for him. On the contrary, his open disdain for the Tea Party and their beliefs (and mine, too) makes him a non-starter.

That said, I still want him to be the front-runner for a while before Perry or Cruz sprint toward the finish line. Sorta like lining up for a play to see what the defense will do, then call a timeout.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 06:31 PM (0HooB)

255 What's wrong with making Catholicism more appealing to lapsed Catholics or non-Catholics if none of its tenants are being modified?
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:22 PM (gmeXX)


Indeed. What would be wrong with that? Shame it has nothing to do with the current pope, but you're probably right in theory.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at December 16, 2014 06:31 PM (MbqmP)

256 The campaign consultants that lost two elections in a row should be fired & new ones hired. I'm sure they'll still use same losers again.

I read at NRO yesterday that Cruz is going to run & cater to conservatives & republicans. He's not going to try to win independents by running a moderate.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 06:31 PM (sj3Ax)

257 I have my doubts he would have cut any spending. Therefore on that issue he would be the exact same.
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:30 PM (gmeXX)

_________

I agree he wouldn't have cut spending, but I think he would have increased it less than Obama. Somehow I don't think 65% of kids today would be on welfare if he were prezzie.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 06:32 PM (0LHZx)

258 And before anyone says Romneycare.....just rememmber Romneycare was actually written by the Democrats in MA who had 75% of seats and could override all of Romney's vetoes. He vetoed 8 bills that ultimately became part of Romneycare.

-----

He simply cannot escape Romneycare. In another election, you could probably spin it. But the whole election should have been about Obamacare and Romneycare rendered that argument moot. There are some things you cannot nuance. He signed it. It has his name in it. It is his.

Its that simple.

It may have been the best he could have received in MA, but it made him a very vulnerable candidate in an election that should have been all about the same issue.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:32 PM (gmeXX)

259 A smelly feminazi with hairy underarms? A bevy of hipsters? A couple of aging hippies with scraggly ponytails?




Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:25 PM (FsuaD)

You left out the Occupy Wall St guys there to get some coconut water.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 16, 2014 06:32 PM (0FSuD)

260
The media beat Romney down, just in general, but in specific instances:

First.., there was the '47%' remark, which got endless twisted airplay/ink.

Second, the bias in the 'moderators' of the debates with OBozo.

Of course Romney bears responsibility for a good bit of that, but running against the entirety of the media is f*cking tough.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2014 06:33 PM (F2IAQ)

261 @233 I'm still not getting the hatred towards Mitt. He would have been (and could still be) a good prezie.

Perfect? No. Good. Yes.

I'd have no problem with him as the nominee in 2016. And all the bullshit attacks on him by Hillary/Fauxcahontas won't be as effective the second time around.
------------------

He's repeatedly said he isn't running. The only people making noise about him appear to be the people who think they'd be hired by him if he ran again. So far the only thing they appear to have accomplished is to get the horde riled up at least once a week.

Posted by: junior at December 16, 2014 06:33 PM (UWFpX)

262 Indeed. What would be wrong with that? Shame it has nothing to do with the current pope, but you're probably right in theory.

----

Pope Francis has changed nothing.

Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:33 PM (gmeXX)

263
249 And before anyone says Romneycare.....just rememmber Romneycare was actually written by the Democrats in MA who had 75% of seats and could override all of Romney's vetoes. He vetoed 8 bills that ultimately became part of Romneycare.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 06:29 PM (0LHZx)



And yet he was hole hog in supporting it in 2012. The most he could muster was that it's for a state and not the entire country. I think only one time he tried to whine "but the democrats were going to pass something anyways." Never did he call it the awful piece of shit it was even after his "attempts" to make it better. He stood by it.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 16, 2014 06:34 PM (z/Ubi)

264 2nd look at Ross Perot?

Posted by: Warden at December 16, 2014 06:34 PM (wHAYQ)

265 "Aside from amnesty, which Romney and Obama pretty much fully agree on,
does anyone think Romney wouldn't have been at least 1000% better than
Obama on just about every issue?"

Obamacare.

Romney would have ultimately done just what Obama has done, which is tinker round the edges.

Because to admit the failure of Obamacare implies also that Obamacare's original inspiration, Romneycare, was also a failure.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 16, 2014 06:34 PM (noWW6)

266 You left out the Occupy Wall St guys there to get some coconut water.


Posted by: Nip Sip at December 16, 2014 06:32 PM (0FSuD)


*makes note*

I also left out hipsters' children with names like Rain, Sunshine, and Gaia.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:34 PM (FsuaD)

267 197 "...I hate to say it, but just like the fix was in with McCain, and then Romney, so it will be with Bush or similar RINO. I see nothing to make me believe 2016 will be any different..."

---

Exactly. The tell is that the GOP will never fix its hopeless effed up nominating system.

I'm telling you, the GOPstablishment wants Democrats and the main stream media picking the GOP nominee.

Posted by: Haydare at December 16, 2014 06:34 PM (Xv7f/)

268 MWNP,
Primary Mitt was a bastard, general election Mitt was a wimp.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 06:34 PM (sj3Ax)

269 He's repeatedly said he isn't running. The only people making noise about him appear to be the people who think they'd be hired by him if he ran again. So far the only thing they appear to have accomplished is to get the horde riled up at least once a week.
Posted by: junior at December 16, 2014 06:33 PM (UWFpX)

________

Every politician swears they're not running until the day they decide to run. Hillary officially is "still thinking about it" and Fauxcahontas has said numerous times she's not running, absolutely, positively not running.

The statement is worthless.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 16, 2014 06:35 PM (0LHZx)

270 You wanted Reagan
You'd take Walker/Perry/Cruz
You'll get JEB

You wanted Deadpool
You'd take Crisis on Infinite Earths
You get RIPD

Posted by: ginaswo at December 16, 2014 06:35 PM (2EgyQ)

271

let's not discount the months of the "cornbrero" crap that was constantly coming from the Right

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 06:35 PM (6ndas)

272 Romney should have vetoed Romneycare & let legislature pass it w/o his signature.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 06:37 PM (sj3Ax)

273 Hell, at this point, I'm about ready to dig up Pat Paulson.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 06:37 PM (0HooB)

274 216 Powdered Peanut Butter. It is virtually fat free when reconstituted with water. I never knew we had this technology.


Shaddup and eat ur powdered eggs.

Posted by: Cookie at December 16, 2014 06:39 PM (uSAVP)

275 You want Ted Cruz.
You would take Rand Paul.
They will give you Jeb Bush.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at December 16, 2014 06:39 PM (eLjug)

276 "Aside from amnesty, which Romney and Obama pretty much fully agree on, does anyone think Romney wouldn't have been at least 1000% better than Obama on just about every issue?"

----

Why, no, I don't.

It would have been a coin flip whether President Romney would have delivered a Bushian crap sandwich of the David Souter, Americans with Disabilities Act, Read My Lips, Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, Iraq War, Bill Clinton is my son/brother variety.



Posted by: Haydare at December 16, 2014 06:39 PM (Xv7f/)

277 I also left out hipsters' children with names like Rain, Sunshine, and Gaia.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
-------------------------------

.. *and*, dressed like little hipsters.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2014 06:39 PM (F2IAQ)

278 Hell, at this point, I'm about ready to dig up Pat Paulson.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at December 16, 2014 06:37 PM (0HooB)

We could do worse

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 16, 2014 06:40 PM (nzKvP)

279 I also left out hipsters' children with names like Rain, Sunshine, and Gaia.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:34 PM (FsuaD)

I actually have a very conservative friend with a daughter named "Sky"
The mother was a hippie.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 16, 2014 06:40 PM (0FSuD)

280 Hillary needs Jeb to run against like Claire McCaskill needed Todd Akin for the win.

Posted by: mrp at December 16, 2014 06:40 PM (JBggj)

281 The Bush brand? Entitled Tory legacy drone? Wholly owned subsidiary of the House of Saud?

_That_ Bush brand?

Posted by: A pot of message at December 16, 2014 06:40 PM (LORBg)

282
these new vfw.org tv ads make me sick

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 06:42 PM (6ndas)

283 In other news..., the Ruble is looking shaky.
Cornered animals are unpredictable.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2014 06:42 PM (F2IAQ)

284 _That_ Bush brand?

Posted by: A pot of message at December 16, 2014 06:40 PM (LORBg)

Ha ha and the WALKER money. Without Barbara the Bushes would have gone broke 50 years ago.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 16, 2014 06:42 PM (0FSuD)

285 SH,
I live in Massachusetts & hate Romneycare. It made me days of extra work.
Yes, it took TFGCare off the table.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 06:43 PM (sj3Ax)

286
I actually have a very conservative friend with a daughter named "Sky"
The mother was a hippie.


I know a girl named Sky. Her brother is named Storm.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 16, 2014 06:43 PM (uSAVP)

287 They're talking Jeb on Bret Baier on Fox now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:44 PM (FsuaD)

288 n other news..., the Ruble is looking shaky.
Cornered animals are unpredictable.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2014 06:42 PM (F2IAQ)

I read that article also and it is true

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 16, 2014 06:44 PM (nzKvP)

289 Some how I don't get this name meme.

Posted by: Gale Storm at December 16, 2014 06:44 PM (F2IAQ)

290 >>>> What's wrong with making Catholicism more appealing to lapsed Catholics or non-Catholics if none of its tenants are being modified?
Posted by: SH at December 16, 2014 06:22 PM (gmeXX)

Nothing.

Please explain how you make the current Catholic Church teaching on sexuality appealing to active homosexuals, divorced couples, and couples living together and fornicating without modifying any of the tenets of basic Catholic theology and morality.

Posted by: L, elle at December 16, 2014 06:44 PM (2x3L+)

291 Where's Neal (sp?) Bush? Is he kept in an attic somewhere?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:45 PM (FsuaD)

292 291 Where's Neal (sp?) Bush? Is he kept in an attic somewhere?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:45 PM (FsuaD)

What about Bush the band?

Posted by: MikeH at December 16, 2014 06:45 PM (84oau)

293 289
Some how I don't get this name meme.

Posted by: Gale Storm at December 16, 2014 06:44 PM (F2IAQ)


Word.

Posted by: Immaculator Jones, actual name of a Sav. Tech grad. at December 16, 2014 06:46 PM (FsuaD)

294 What about the two birds?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2014 06:46 PM (F2IAQ)

295 293 289
Some how I don't get this name meme.

Posted by: Gale Storm at December 16, 2014 06:44 PM (F2IAQ)

Word.

Posted by: Immaculator Jones, actual name of a Sav. Tech grad. at December 16, 2014 06:46 PM (FsuaD)

Katie, Katie, bo-batie,
Banana-fana fo-fatie
Fee-fi-mo-matie
Katie!

Posted by: MikeH at December 16, 2014 06:47 PM (84oau)

296 Of course Romney bears responsibility for a good bit of that, but running against the entirety of the media is f*cking tough.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,


Well, I'm retiring, so you want have me around to throw harpoons at anymore.

Posted by: Candy "shamoo" Crowley at December 16, 2014 06:47 PM (RFeQD)

297 I really hope Palin runs. I'd like to see the person most feared by the left and by the RINO right totally cut lose on them both, no holds barred. She's been vetted more than anyone alive in politics today. Run Sarah Run. There's a reason she's so hated and feared, and that appeals greatly to me.

Posted by: Havedash at December 16, 2014 06:47 PM (G1XMn)

298 294 What about the two birds?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2014 06:46 PM (F2IAQ)

Hey, beat around me

Posted by: The bush at December 16, 2014 06:48 PM (84oau)

299 Well, Moira Liassen of NPR seems impressed by Jeb. So he has that going for him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:48 PM (FsuaD)

300

I reject Jeb for one simple reason that Jeb is powerless to rebut or dissuade.

This country rejected inherited aristocracy in 1776.

Nominating Jeb would mean that in the last seven presidential elections over 28 years, the GOP will have managed to nominate a non-Bush just three times. (96, 08, and 12)

No, to that, I say. Surely in a country of more than 300 million people there is some other Republican not related to Bush who is fit to be President and able to win.

Posted by: Ed at December 16, 2014 06:49 PM (Xv7f/)

301 We'll support any candidate who is willing to start another Cold War.

Posted by: Haliburton who contracts out to Anyone at December 16, 2014 06:49 PM (XzRw1)

302 I don't think Hillary is going to be dem nominee

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 06:49 PM (sj3Ax)

303 291 Where's Neal (sp?) Bush? Is he kept in an attic somewhere?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:45 PM (FsuaD)


I seem to recall that he's involved in selling Common Core curriculum material.

Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

Posted by: rickl at December 16, 2014 06:50 PM (sdi6R)

304 Is it just me, or is Jeb starting to look like the Captain of the Axiom in the movie Wall-E?

Posted by: CQD at December 16, 2014 06:50 PM (lyiq0)

305 302
I don't think Hillary is going to be dem nominee



Wait til ya get a load of me!

Posted by: Princess Chelsea, Mother of the Year at December 16, 2014 06:50 PM (FsuaD)

306 302 I don't think Hillary is going to be dem nominee
Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 06:49 PM (sj3Ax)

It's Chicago versus Little Rock, don't bring a knife to a gun fight

Posted by: MikeH at December 16, 2014 06:50 PM (84oau)

307 297
I really hope Palin runs. I'd like to see the person most feared by the
left and by the RINO right totally cut lose on them both, no holds
barred. She's been vetted more than anyone alive in politics today.
Run Sarah Run. There's a reason she's so hated and feared, and that
appeals greatly to me.

Many Republican women seem to hate her. Why is that?

Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 06:51 PM (XzRw1)

308 296 Of course Romney bears responsibility for a good bit of that, but running against the entirety of the media is f*cking tough.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,


Well, I'm retiring, so you want have me around to throw harpoons at anymore.

Posted by: Candy "shamoo" Crowley at December 16, 2014 06:47 PM (RFeQD)



Mitt had a chance to make a real Reagan debate moment out of that, but he chose to stand there and pee his pants rather than challenge the cow. And not only challenge the question, but point out what a setup that was. As I recall, Obama very visibly tossed that question back to the bloated cow so she could refute it. That was a total setup. That was a turning point for Mitt. He chose weakly and poorly.

Posted by: Havedash at December 16, 2014 06:51 PM (G1XMn)

309 301 We'll support any candidate who is willing to start another Cold War.

Posted by: Haliburton who contracts out to Anyone at December 16, 2014 06:49 PM (XzRw1)

And we're for anyone that'll stop fracking

Posted by: OPEC at December 16, 2014 06:52 PM (84oau)

310
What about the two birds?

remember the PIGEON SISTERS on The Odd Couple?

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at December 16, 2014 06:52 PM (6ndas)

311 Mike H,
I know it's going to be nasty D fight between them.

Posted by: Carol at December 16, 2014 06:52 PM (sj3Ax)

312 Wait til ya get a load of me!
Posted by: Princess Chelsea
---------

Is this a diarrhea joke?
It's a diarrhea joke, isn't it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 16, 2014 06:52 PM (F2IAQ)

313
Many Republican women seem to hate her. Why is that?



Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 06:51 PM (XzRw1)


I don't hate her at all. I just wish she and Todd would reign in their trashy-acting children. Sheesh. It's like a Bravo reality series.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:53 PM (FsuaD)

314 Jeb Bush, all one needs to know; shut down drilling off the coast of Florida.
Not enough? Amnesty. _ Still not enough? Common Core
If one is still not convinced he should seek out either the Communist or Democrat Party. ...Come on AcePak

Posted by: CO at December 16, 2014 06:54 PM (TiOn5)

315 312
Wait til ya get a load of me!

Posted by: Princess Chelsea

I can't wait to see you in those tight leather pants again.

Posted by: Dunham at December 16, 2014 06:54 PM (XzRw1)

316
I have a 100% cotton sweater -- why doesn't it shrink when I dry it in the dryer?

(it's too big and I want it to shrink)

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 06:55 PM (6ndas)

317 Diarrhea is no joke.

Posted by: Al Roker at December 16, 2014 06:55 PM (F2IAQ)

318 315 312
Wait til ya get a load of me!

Posted by: Princess Chelsea

I can't wait to see you in those tight leather pants again.
Posted by: Dunham at December 16, 2014 06:54 PM (XzRw1)

*pours mind bleach in ear"

Posted by: MikeH at December 16, 2014 06:56 PM (84oau)

319 316


I have a 100% cotton sweater -- why doesn't it shrink when I dry it in the dryer?



(it's too big and I want it to shrink)

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys Girls at December 16, 2014 06:55 PM (6ndas)


Can you wash it in hot water, and then dry it on high heat?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:56 PM (FsuaD)

320
Many Republican women seem to hate her. Why is that?



Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 06:51 PM (XzRw1)



I'm no so sure that they do. When it comes to Palin, there's a lot of negative propaganda. That's why I'd like to see what she could do on her own totally unfettered. Like her or hate her, you've got to admit that she's stood pretty strong against on onslaught the likes of which are rarely seen. Last time I recall someone taking the amount of punishment Palin has, and standing strong, was Reagan. She's feared for a reason.

Posted by: Havedash at December 16, 2014 06:57 PM (G1XMn)

321 I have a 100% cotton sweater -- why doesn't it shrink when I dry it in the dryer?

(it's too big and I want it to shrink)
------------------

It id the universe laughing at you. If you did *not* want it to shrink, it would come out hand-puppet size.

Posted by: Al Roker at December 16, 2014 06:57 PM (F2IAQ)

322 Jeebus. Fox is All Jeb All The Time.

Ugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:57 PM (FsuaD)

323 312 'is'..., dammit

Posted by: Al Roker at December 16, 2014 06:57 PM (F2IAQ)

324
malcontents, to the nood!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Imaginary Home For Incorrigible Boys & Girls at December 16, 2014 06:58 PM (6ndas)

325 322 Jeebus. Fox is All Jeb All The Time.

Ugh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:57 PM (FsuaD)

Karl Rove

Posted by: MikeH at December 16, 2014 06:58 PM (84oau)

326 That's enough about Jeb. Here's the sainted Michael Brown doing his thang, baby.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=db5_1418177214

Posted by: Banjo at December 16, 2014 07:01 PM (IMztf)

327 I don't hate her at all. I just wish she and Todd would reign in their trashy-acting children. Sheesh. It's like a Bravo reality series.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 16, 2014 06:53 PM (FsuaD)



I hear what you're saying, but I cut them some slack. Compared to the kids of Gore, Kerry, Biden, Jeb, et al, I don't think they've been too bad. There's a huge difference when it comes to how anything Palin's family does is reported as opposed to others. The drug problems of the kids mentioned above have barely been mentioned in the media, contrasted to every move a Palin makes.

Two wrongs never make a right, but I grade on a little bit of curve here, all things considered.

Posted by: Havedash at December 16, 2014 07:05 PM (G1XMn)

328 313

Many Republican women seem to hate her. Why is that?





Posted by: TVoC Hates the GOP at December 16, 2014 06:51 PM (XzRw1)

I
don't hate her at all. I just wish she and Todd would reign in their
trashy-acting children. Sheesh. It's like a Bravo reality series.

It seems the more seasoned women like her, and like her a lot, while younger women are indifferent at best.

/casual observation

Agree that the kids are a tad trashy.


Posted by: Dunham at December 16, 2014 07:06 PM (XzRw1)

329 If Jeb had won #FLGov in 1994, he would have been the one to run for President in 2000, and probably would have done a better job than W.

I firmly believe this. At the time, Jeb was considered the *more* conservative.

Posted by: toby928(C) at December 16, 2014 07:15 PM (rwI+c)

330
This stuff you are saying about Jeb and his mission and reason for existence was completely true of John McCain in 2008. It is the calling card of the Country Club Republicans. Since everyone you are around is embarrassed by the right wing troglodytes, it must be a winning strategy to go out and ridicule and distance yourself from them.

A required question in any GOP primary should be: why are you a Republican, and why should a Republican be the next President of the United States?

This question would make things a least a little uncomfortable for the McCain/Jeb Bush type. If Republicans are so awful/evil/horrible, why do you consider yourself one and why should you, as one, be elected President? Would love to see them squirm.

Posted by: Matt at December 16, 2014 07:21 PM (7v9CH)

331 Jeb hablas Spanish!!!

Posted by: Jukin at December 16, 2014 07:37 PM (WGm5T)

332 Show of hands: who can imagine Mitt Romney angrily declaring, "I paid for this microphone!"

Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 16, 2014 08:06 PM (XO6WW)

333 I've met Santorum. I liked a lot of what he had to say. But when that woman A-10 pilot who's in the AZ runoff now, McSally, called him out on women in combat, he didn't have the strength of his own convictions and meet her.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 16, 2014 08:10 PM (XO6WW)

334 Two Bush Presidents have delivered unto us a Clinton presidency and an Obama Presidency.

At this rate, Jeb Bush will help usher in some socialist la raza Presidency that will adore Hugo Chavez and complete the destruction of the GOP and the USA. Just a guess.

Posted by: Hugh G Rection at December 16, 2014 10:09 PM (wT9UL)

335 There is nothing that could compel me to vote for the likes of Jeb Bush. The Bushes kind of sucked. W was a liberal that shoved the prescription drug program down the tax payer's throats. His father was no Reagan, and he certainly didn't follow in Reagan's foot steps. They are all pro-amnesty people, and they are establishment Republicans all the way. There is no way I am voting for this man, and I have to say that I do not know anyone that thinks he's a good candidate. Ugh!

Posted by: Mistress O at December 16, 2014 11:04 PM (2/oBD)

336 Know why Jeb will run?

He smells your fear. It's palpable, paralyzing. You're like the little white rat at that moment he realizes he's been dropped into the boa's cage, and all he can do is freeze so the big predator can't detect his movement and strike.

But sooner or later, he can't stand it anymore, and moves. Or starts to move, then it is suddenly over.

Jeb not only wants to eat you, he wants to watch you quiver as you try to stay still.

Posted by: Adjoran at December 16, 2014 11:20 PM (QIQ6j)

337 And in your heart, you know fully well you can't beat him or escape him. Your only prayer is another big snake who can wrestle him.

You need Romney. You need Perry.

Your pathetic little Senators don't stand a chance. Even your strong Governors who lack national donor networks can't compete. Rand Paul can only attract his father's potheads, paramilitaries, and pedophiles.


Posted by: Adjoran at December 16, 2014 11:24 PM (QIQ6j)

338 Rumors of Mittens running, Now Jeb's running.

Let me guess what comes next.

I bet they think telling me that "not voting for these pieces of shit somehow makes my vote useless" is going to work AGAIN.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 16, 2014 11:33 PM (OiAIj)

339
Jeb Bush has so much family baggage. Don't forget his wife committed her own 'act of love' (and don't think the Dems won't make much of this):

"Columba Bush was briefly detained and fined at Atlanta's Hartsfield International Airport on Thursday after her arrival following a five-day shopping spree in Paris. The governor was not with her. She declared only $500 worth of merchandise on a Customs form at the airport. But during a random check, agents found receipts indicating the governor's wife was toting about $19,000 worth of clothing and jewelry bought in France."

Jun 1999

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