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Fundamental Concepts : A Melting Pot, Not a F****** Salad Bowl [Weirddave]
The United States has traditionally been seen as a "melting pot", meaning that people from all over voluntarily join together to form a greater whole. This concept is even enshrined in our national motto E pluribus unum -"Out of many, one". Nobody ever questioned the concept, we even learned to sing about it as children:
So what does the term melting pot mean? America is different from any other country in the history of mankind in that we were founded on an ideal. Anyone can become an American, all that's required is that you come here and adopt our ideal and you're as good an American as anyone else. Nowhere else in the world is this true, even today. Even Canada, as culturally similar to the US as it is, doesn't believe this to the degree that we do. I could move to Canada, take citizenship there, live there for the rest of my life, and my obituary would refer to me as a Yank. The same is true in Germany, or Japan, or Iran or Argentina. The assumption that anyone can be a citizen, equal to all the rest, just doesn't exist elsewhere in the world. All we ask is that you assimilate into our culture and contribute. Together all of us make up a whole that is greater than any of us individually. The salad bowl, on the other hand, implies just the opposite. Oh, it sounds similar. Instead of a soup, America is a salad. Different ingredients, mixed together to make a complete dish, but each ingredient remains distinct from all of the others. This maintains diversity we're told. Each ingredient is able to retain its own identity separate from the salad as a whole. Well, the two concepts sound similar, what's the problem? The problem is that while they sound similar, they aren't in one important aspect. In a melting pot, the individual components are indivisible. Next time you're eating soup, try and pick the salt out of it. It's impossible. The salt is a part of the soup, an important part, the soup wouldn't taste as good without it, and it cannot be separated from the soup. A salad, however, is divisible by its very nature. Don't like tomatoes? Pick them out. You still have a salad. Carrots not your thing? They're gone. It's still a salad. And so forth. The ingredients of a soup become part of the soup in a way that salad ingredients don't become part of a salad, and that's the crucial difference. Having tortured the analogies beyond reason, let's leave them for a moment and introduce humans to the mix. There are any number of tendencies that are inherent in human beings, but one of the most basic is that we are tribal by nature. The founding fathers recognized this and realized that the great American experiment could very well fail if its citizens retained their preexisting tribal loyalties in their new country. There had to be something to supplant the old tribal affiliation, and thus the melting pot concept was born. Nobody was denying that individual citizens had been Dutch, or English, or Spanish or French, but now they were American. The previous tribal identities became part of a larger, better identity that superceded the old one. Salt does not lose its saltiness when it becomes part of the soup, but the soup is greater than the salt alone. Everyone loves soup. Who eats straight salt? So where did the salad bowl concept come from, and more importantly, why has it replaced such an elegant construction as the melting pot? The salad bowl idea is a product of critical theory ( and that's something worthy of a dozen posts on its own). Simple version, critical theory is a Marxist doctrine whose purpose is to destroy traditional American society and culture so that it can be replaced with a socialist Utopia. Once you understand that, the devious and dangerous nature of the salad bowl concept becomes evident. The melting pot emphasizes and nurtures the importance of the greater whole. The salad bowl pays lip service to the idea of a greater whole while working to undermine it by emphasizing the primacy of all the individual components. Is the onion more important than the crouton to the salad? Of course it is and no way in hell. It depends on the individual. Now the focus is on all of the individual ingredients in opposition to each other. Salad? What salad, who cares, did you hear what those scallions said about us peppers? Who the fuck do they think they are? What's that you say, the cheese is on the scallions' side? They're oppressing us! Goddamn this stupid salad that allows that oppression. Peppers rule! Fuck scallions AND cheese! We have to burn this bitch down! Is this starting to sound familiar to anyone else?Comments
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It hasn't been a melting pot for decades.
Posted by: Gmac- who is tired of all this at December 06, 2014 01:09 PM (baiNQ)
Posted by: The Reverend Al Sarpton at December 06, 2014 01:09 PM (KCxzN)
3
Great. Now I want cheese fondue.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 06, 2014 01:11 PM (FsuaD)
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Canadians tried to differentiate themselves from the US by calling themselves a "Mosaic," which just means the same as the salad concept, everyone lives in "cells" throughout, and it's not working, just like all socialized countries.
The only difference is, it just hasn't peaked into chaos yet, because of population (small) and not that many immigrate to Canada in the first place.
Once the scales tip (as you see happening in Quebec), the sheet will hit the fan.
Canadians tried to differentiate themselves from the US by calling themselves a "Mosaic," which just means the same as the salad concept, everyone lives in "cells" throughout, and it's not working, just like all socialized countries.
The only difference is, it just hasn't peaked into chaos yet, because of population (small) and not that many immigrate to Canada in the first place.
Once the scales tip (as you see happening in Quebec), the sheet will hit the fan.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette Typhoon Ruby Landed at December 06, 2014 01:12 PM (IXrOn)
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We've become a nation of Special Snowflakes. And the rest of us.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 06, 2014 01:12 PM (FsuaD)
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Peppers rule! Fuck scallions AND cheese! We have to burn this bitch down!
F*ck the scallions, especially!
F*ck the scallions, especially!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 06, 2014 01:14 PM (FsuaD)
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Pretty sure melting pot is racist.
Posted by: Progressive Trash Ruling Class at December 06, 2014 01:14 PM (ZPrif)
8
Pick the bacon bits out of my salad, and I'm
gonna cut a bitch!
gonna cut a bitch!
Posted by: Insomniac at December 06, 2014 01:14 PM (mx5oN)
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"America is different from any other country in the history of mankind in that we were founded on an ideal. Anyone can become an American, all that's required is that you come here and adopt our ideal and you're as good an American as anyone else."
Actually, we borrowed that from the Romans. But yes, in modern times, it's virtually unique to Americans.
Actually, we borrowed that from the Romans. But yes, in modern times, it's virtually unique to Americans.
Posted by: jic at December 06, 2014 01:15 PM (HFRvJ)
Posted by: Bawney Fwank at December 06, 2014 01:15 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 06, 2014 01:15 PM (U93Mr)
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The funny thing is, I like simple salads. Lettuce, tomatoes, scallions and croutons. I was running out of ingredients by the end. "Do people put peppers in salad? How about cheese? I guess they do".
Posted by: Weirddave at December 06, 2014 01:15 PM (KAmzK)
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I'm thinking of having a die-in at the local Abercrombie and Fitch. Just to annoy the hipsters. Anyone want to join me?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 06, 2014 01:15 PM (FsuaD)
14
Barry likes his salad tossed.
Posted by: Reggie Love at December 06, 2014 01:16 PM (mx5oN)
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Actually, we borrowed that from the Romans. But yes, in modern times, it's virtually unique to Americans.
Posted by: jic at December 06, 2014 01:15 PM (HFRvJ)
Toga! Toga!
Posted by: jic at December 06, 2014 01:15 PM (HFRvJ)
Toga! Toga!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 06, 2014 01:16 PM (IXrOn)
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You know why? Schools stopped teaching this stuff a long time ago. No integration, instead diversity and multiculturalism.
Posted by: EC at December 06, 2014 01:17 PM (doBIb)
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The first time I heard the salad bowl analogy used to replace the melting pot analogy was about thirty years ago watching an episode of 60 Minutes.
They story was about redefining America and what it meant to be American and an American.
Now, decades later, we see the trees grown from those seeds.
There has been and still is a Soviet Union growing here inside the USA, and people are slowly beginning to see it.
They story was about redefining America and what it meant to be American and an American.
Now, decades later, we see the trees grown from those seeds.
There has been and still is a Soviet Union growing here inside the USA, and people are slowly beginning to see it.
Posted by: eman at December 06, 2014 01:17 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Sandra Flook at December 06, 2014 01:17 PM (Dwehj)
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Actually, we've become a nation of Balkanized enclaves where large groups of immigrants have settled in cities and essentially turned them into miniature versions of the places they came from. Witness what has happened in Dearborn Michigan, LA, Bangor Maine, Minneapolis Minnesota and others.
Posted by: Gmac- who is tired of all this at December 06, 2014 01:18 PM (baiNQ)
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Salad = Hyphen American.
When the Hyphen Americans are ready to drop the hyphen and be a regular American like me, then great. Until then don't bitch about your circumstances.
When the Hyphen Americans are ready to drop the hyphen and be a regular American like me, then great. Until then don't bitch about your circumstances.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 06, 2014 01:19 PM (YnL9C)
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Seriously, though, the melting pot only works with low-to-moderate levels of immigration, legal or illegal.
The Ellis Island wave of immigrant is considered nothing but awesome now, but it brought us massive corruption, Tammany Hall, the Progressive movements, lots of race riots and chaos.
That wave brought America to the boiling point -- so we basically shut down even legal immigration for a couple generations to let the melting pot do its work.
We probably need to shut down all immigration, legal and illegal, for the next 30 years or more to let the melting pot absorb this current huge wave.
The Ellis Island wave of immigrant is considered nothing but awesome now, but it brought us massive corruption, Tammany Hall, the Progressive movements, lots of race riots and chaos.
That wave brought America to the boiling point -- so we basically shut down even legal immigration for a couple generations to let the melting pot do its work.
We probably need to shut down all immigration, legal and illegal, for the next 30 years or more to let the melting pot absorb this current huge wave.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 06, 2014 01:19 PM (ZPrif)
22
America is different from any other country in the history of mankind in that we were founded on an ideal.
To be fair, Canada was founded on the ideal of sodomy.
To be fair, Canada was founded on the ideal of sodomy.
Posted by: wooga at December 06, 2014 01:19 PM (XK0dn)
23
There has been and still is a Soviet Union growing here inside the USA, and people are slowly beginning to see it.
And 52% of our LIV citizenry elected a Marxist tool bag who was influenced by the likes of Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers and others.
There has been and still is a Soviet Union growing here inside the USA, and people are slowly beginning to see it.
And 52% of our LIV citizenry elected a Marxist tool bag who was influenced by the likes of Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers and others.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 06, 2014 01:19 PM (FsuaD)
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What's troubling is when Californians, and New Yorkers get tired of Salad, and move to where they serve up some Texas sized steak.
What's troubling is when illegals move to the Melting Pot, and poison the pot with their own Socialized spices.
What's troubling is when Californians, and New Yorkers get tired of Salad, and move to where they serve up some Texas sized steak.
What's troubling is when illegals move to the Melting Pot, and poison the pot with their own Socialized spices.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 06, 2014 01:19 PM (IXrOn)
25
This is why gays will never have a 'marriage', marriage is the soup, and the children are a result of that.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 06, 2014 01:19 PM (uSAVP)
26
Speak English, write English, obey the law and work. It's not to much to ask.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 01:20 PM (rwI+c)
27
I prefer a "stew" analogy. In a melting pot, everything becomes identical, which is not a goal that I aspire toward. In a stew you can identify the potatoes (h/t Dan Quayle) but they are covered with gravy that you cannot scrape off without either a lot of extra effort or damaging the potato. Nor can you segregate the salt at all. In a stew, you have a lot of individual components that you can see and identify, but they are all mixed together in and covered with the broth. There's our unifier, and if you are in the stew you cannot be separated from it.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at December 06, 2014 01:20 PM (TqyFL)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 01:21 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: fu52 at December 06, 2014 01:21 PM (CzTBs)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 06, 2014 01:21 PM (UVfht)
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This thread is making me hungry.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 01:21 PM (rwI+c)
32
You know why? Schools stopped teaching this stuff a long time ago. No integration, instead diversity and multiculturalism.
Posted by: EC at December 06, 2014 01:17 PM (doBIb)
That's why the Dept. of Education is so important to overhaul, or get rid of (see early morning post).
This is the root of the problem in America.
Posted by: EC at December 06, 2014 01:17 PM (doBIb)
That's why the Dept. of Education is so important to overhaul, or get rid of (see early morning post).
This is the root of the problem in America.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 06, 2014 01:22 PM (IXrOn)
33
Speak English, write English, obey the law and work. It's not to much to ask.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 01:20 PM (rwI+c)
*********
WORK?
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 01:20 PM (rwI+c)
*********
WORK?
Posted by: AL SHARPTON, NOW SCREAMING INTO A MEGAPHONE at December 06, 2014 01:22 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 06, 2014 01:23 PM (uSAVP)
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And when you come here illegally, work illegally, violate basic laws in a thousand different ways, PLEASE STOP INSISTING THAT I COLLUDE WITH YOU IN EVERY WAY
Posted by: kindletot at December 06, 2014 01:23 PM (t//F+)
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Rather than the individual, I think the salad emphasizes the group, the racial, ethnic, religious etc. identity groups the neo-marxists use for the divide and conquer strategy they have for the U.S. Smart idea by them, actually. It's the only way they can win. Everyone knows economics won't work.
Posted by: xulu at December 06, 2014 01:23 PM (2pOTb)
37
The fact the avg white person in America isn't exactly sure of their euro heritage -- is a function of the melting pot. It's all the German and Irish and English and Italian and Poles and everybody else all intermarrying and making babies till it got confusing.
That has to happen to this wave of immigrants for the melting pot to work. It's hard for the Irish to hate the English here cause most of the Irish-Americans are a quarter English on their mother's side. European ethnic conflicts dissolved in America due to interbreeding more than any intellectual understanding.
That has to happen to this wave of immigrants for the melting pot to work. It's hard for the Irish to hate the English here cause most of the Irish-Americans are a quarter English on their mother's side. European ethnic conflicts dissolved in America due to interbreeding more than any intellectual understanding.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 06, 2014 01:23 PM (ZPrif)
38
Actually the concept of America as a melting pot, the affirmation of an 'American Creed', and immigration (as opposed to settlement) all originated at about the same time. A century or so after the founding of an independent country. Coincidence?
Posted by: RioBravo at December 06, 2014 01:25 PM (z27Ny)
39
Mother928 is of pure German stock, but barely speaks German because *her* mother refused to have it spoken in her house, so that her children would completely integrate without accents.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 01:25 PM (rwI+c)
40
we've become a nation of Balkanized enclaves where large groups of
immigrants have settled in cities and essentially turned them into
miniature versions of the places they came from
I hear ya. Nearly the entire north side of my city looks and sounds like Little Morocco.
immigrants have settled in cities and essentially turned them into
miniature versions of the places they came from
I hear ya. Nearly the entire north side of my city looks and sounds like Little Morocco.
Posted by: Hans Gruber at December 06, 2014 01:26 PM (Dwehj)
41
other than Texas accents, of course.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 01:26 PM (rwI+c)
42
This thread is making me hungry.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 01:21 PM (rwI+c)
while I try to decide on the "cuisine" for dinner tonight
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 01:21 PM (rwI+c)
while I try to decide on the "cuisine" for dinner tonight
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 06, 2014 01:26 PM (IXrOn)
43
27 I prefer a "stew" analogy. In a melting pot, everything becomes identical, which is not a goal that I aspire toward. In a stew you can identify the potatoes (h/t Dan Quayle) but they are covered with gravy that you cannot scrape off without either a lot of extra effort or damaging the potato. Nor can you segregate the salt at all. In a stew, you have a lot of individual components that you can see and identify, but they are all mixed together in and covered with the broth. There's our unifier, and if you are in the stew you cannot be separated from it.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at December 06, 2014 01:20 PM (TqyFL)
No. You are still using the salad bowl analogy.
The melting pot does not mean individuals or even groups of individuals lose their separate identity.
It means they become members of a united identity. The analogy is about unity. We are all individuals, but we are all also unified as Americans.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at December 06, 2014 01:20 PM (TqyFL)
No. You are still using the salad bowl analogy.
The melting pot does not mean individuals or even groups of individuals lose their separate identity.
It means they become members of a united identity. The analogy is about unity. We are all individuals, but we are all also unified as Americans.
Posted by: eman at December 06, 2014 01:26 PM (MQEz6)
44
Some Bacon Bits Are More Equal Than Others!
Posted by: Sharkman at December 06, 2014 01:28 PM (ps/Bx)
45
Some Bacon Bits Are More Equal Than Others!
Posted by: Sharkman at December 06, 2014 01:28 PM (ps/Bx)
46
The black-white divide lasted in America because of lower rates of inter-marriage and mixed babies. The euro ethnic divides were melted away by interbreeding, but the white-black divide didn't.
The white-asian divide has been less of an issue cause of pretty high rates of mixing as lots of white dudes dig asian chicks and lots of asian chicks dig white dudes.
Similarly the white-hispanic divide is constantly melted away by people bonking each other and making babies. It's only as strong as it is in the southwest cause of such high levels of immigration, decade after decade -- filling up the bathtub faster than the melting pot can drain it.
The white-asian divide has been less of an issue cause of pretty high rates of mixing as lots of white dudes dig asian chicks and lots of asian chicks dig white dudes.
Similarly the white-hispanic divide is constantly melted away by people bonking each other and making babies. It's only as strong as it is in the southwest cause of such high levels of immigration, decade after decade -- filling up the bathtub faster than the melting pot can drain it.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 06, 2014 01:28 PM (ZPrif)
47
43 eman
Yes!!
WD: another excellent, insightful post - kudos!!
(Mmmm, Kudos)
And again, really hope you'll anthologize (???) these for posterity.
Yes!!
WD: another excellent, insightful post - kudos!!
(Mmmm, Kudos)
And again, really hope you'll anthologize (???) these for posterity.
Posted by: speedster1 at December 06, 2014 01:30 PM (C0wzD)
48
Are these America's salad days?
Posted by: Miley's Tongue at December 06, 2014 01:30 PM (R+h7Q)
49
"Even Canada, as culturally similar to the US as it is, doesn't believe
this to the degree that we do. I could move to Canada, take citizenship
there, live there for the rest of my life, and my obituary would refer
to me as a Yank."
and
The only difference is, it just hasn't peaked into chaos yet, because of
population (small) and not that many immigrate to Canada in the first
place.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette Typhoon Ruby Landed at December 06, 2014 01:12 PM (IXrOn)
Not as many people may come to Canada as to the United States, but I've seen the population grow from 21 million when I was born in 1969 to 35 million today. And walking around, even the smaller cities, you can see the effects of immigration. Windsor, Ontario, across from Detroit, is Dearborn, Michigan North with stores with signs in Arabic, mosques and a very large Muslim population.
But, to disagree with the post, they're considered Canadians, and the liberal governments which loathe my white, Christian ass would argue that the young Middle Eastern guy I saw at Best Buy with an arm and a leg mysteriously missing is every bit as a Canadian as I am. And they would find a way to punish me if I publicly said otherwise.
this to the degree that we do. I could move to Canada, take citizenship
there, live there for the rest of my life, and my obituary would refer
to me as a Yank."
and
The only difference is, it just hasn't peaked into chaos yet, because of
population (small) and not that many immigrate to Canada in the first
place.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette Typhoon Ruby Landed at December 06, 2014 01:12 PM (IXrOn)
Not as many people may come to Canada as to the United States, but I've seen the population grow from 21 million when I was born in 1969 to 35 million today. And walking around, even the smaller cities, you can see the effects of immigration. Windsor, Ontario, across from Detroit, is Dearborn, Michigan North with stores with signs in Arabic, mosques and a very large Muslim population.
But, to disagree with the post, they're considered Canadians, and the liberal governments which loathe my white, Christian ass would argue that the young Middle Eastern guy I saw at Best Buy with an arm and a leg mysteriously missing is every bit as a Canadian as I am. And they would find a way to punish me if I publicly said otherwise.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 06, 2014 01:31 PM (AC0lD)
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46 The black-white divide lasted in America because of lower rates of inter-marriage and mixed babies. The euro ethnic divides were melted away by interbreeding, but the white-black divide didn't.
The white-asian divide has been less of an issue cause of pretty high rates of mixing as lots of white dudes dig asian chicks and lots of asian chicks dig white dudes.
Similarly the white-hispanic divide is constantly melted away by people bonking each other and making babies. It's only as strong as it is in the southwest cause of such high levels of immigration, decade after decade -- filling up the bathtub faster than the melting pot can drain it.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 06, 2014 01:28 PM (ZPrif)
Yup.
If you created a dating site dedicated to mixing ethnicities and races, the Left Empire would send entire legions against you.
The white-asian divide has been less of an issue cause of pretty high rates of mixing as lots of white dudes dig asian chicks and lots of asian chicks dig white dudes.
Similarly the white-hispanic divide is constantly melted away by people bonking each other and making babies. It's only as strong as it is in the southwest cause of such high levels of immigration, decade after decade -- filling up the bathtub faster than the melting pot can drain it.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 06, 2014 01:28 PM (ZPrif)
Yup.
If you created a dating site dedicated to mixing ethnicities and races, the Left Empire would send entire legions against you.
Posted by: eman at December 06, 2014 01:31 PM (MQEz6)
51
Who is this mysterious "open blogger" who has made me snicker?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2014 01:31 PM (Oy+/A)
52
You know why? Schools stopped teaching this stuff a long time ago. No integration, instead diversity and multiculturalism.
-------
Combined with attacks on all that occurred before.
(Indeed the country did have slavery, racism, and lots of other stuff which should not be ignored. However, nearly every aspect of "WASP' America is now attacked, the negatives of the 'other' are ignored, ...)
-------
Combined with attacks on all that occurred before.
(Indeed the country did have slavery, racism, and lots of other stuff which should not be ignored. However, nearly every aspect of "WASP' America is now attacked, the negatives of the 'other' are ignored, ...)
Posted by: RioBravo at December 06, 2014 01:32 PM (z27Ny)
53
You don't win friends with salad.
Posted by: Corona at December 06, 2014 01:32 PM (fh2Y7)
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I prefer a "stew" analogy. In a melting pot, everything becomes identical, which is not a goal that I aspire toward. In a stew you can identify the potatoes (h/t Dan Quayle) but they are covered with gravy that you cannot scrape off without either a lot of extra effort or damaging the potato. Nor can you segregate the salt at all. In a stew, you have a lot of individual components that you can see and identify, but they are all mixed together in and covered with the broth. There's our unifier, and if you are in the stew you cannot be separated from it.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at December 06, 2014 01:20 PM (TqyFL)
Agreed. I was about to make roughly the same point with the salad analogy...that in this context the effect of the dressing, which adds its flavor to all of the separate ingredients and thus binds them all together, is ignored or overlooked.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at December 06, 2014 01:20 PM (TqyFL)
Agreed. I was about to make roughly the same point with the salad analogy...that in this context the effect of the dressing, which adds its flavor to all of the separate ingredients and thus binds them all together, is ignored or overlooked.
Posted by: CQD at December 06, 2014 01:32 PM (tcvYF)
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and lots of asian chicks dig white dudes.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 06, 2014 01:28 PM (ZPrif)
Thank God....
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 06, 2014 01:28 PM (ZPrif)
Thank God....
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 06, 2014 01:32 PM (AC0lD)
56
Nice feet, Nied.
Posted by: toby928(C) has a twitter account at December 06, 2014 01:33 PM (rwI+c)
57
If the US didn't dole out welfare subsidies to everyone that could make it here and new immigrants were forced to make it on their own, the country would attract only those who wanted to be Americans. And we'd still be a melting pot
Posted by: jrg at December 06, 2014 01:33 PM (7M30H)
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If you created a dating site dedicated to mixing ethnicities and races, the Left Empire would send entire legions against you.
Posted by: eman at December 06, 2014 01:31 PM (MQEz6)
They already have. Internet 'mail-order' dating sites are on the banking hit-list.
Posted by: eman at December 06, 2014 01:31 PM (MQEz6)
They already have. Internet 'mail-order' dating sites are on the banking hit-list.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 06, 2014 01:34 PM (uSAVP)
59
Melting pot always makes me think of cheese fondue....mmmmm!
This salad bowl nonsense is what has led to some making the suggestion that we match policeman race to their assigned territory. Which is just so wrong. Then again, some races have already managed to create separate proms and college student housing, etc. This is not America, this segregation.
As Jay Guevara suggested earlier - call it "aparthood."
This salad bowl nonsense is what has led to some making the suggestion that we match policeman race to their assigned territory. Which is just so wrong. Then again, some races have already managed to create separate proms and college student housing, etc. This is not America, this segregation.
As Jay Guevara suggested earlier - call it "aparthood."
Posted by: Lizzy at December 06, 2014 01:34 PM (ABcz/)
60
What's happened in Bangor Maine? A pocket of Canadians? When I vacationed there as a kid, every other car had a Quebec license plate. Is Bangor now Little Montreal?
Posted by: Weirddave at December 06, 2014 01:35 PM (KAmzK)
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54 I prefer a "stew" analogy. In a melting pot, everything becomes identical, which is not a goal that I aspire toward. In a stew you can identify the potatoes (h/t Dan Quayle) but they are covered with gravy that you cannot scrape off without either a lot of extra effort or damaging the potato. Nor can you segregate the salt at all. In a stew, you have a lot of individual components that you can see and identify, but they are all mixed together in and covered with the broth. There's our unifier, and if you are in the stew you cannot be separated from it.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at December 06, 2014 01:20 PM (TqyFL)
Agreed. I was about to make roughly the same point with the salad analogy...that in this context the effect of the dressing, which adds its flavor to all of the separate ingredients and thus binds them all together, is ignored or overlooked.
Posted by: CQD at December 06, 2014 01:32 PM (tcvYF)
No.
That's just completely wrong. The dressing is a lie.
The purpose of the salad bowl analogy is to create divisions between people, to make them forget who they are, to make them forget they are unified as Americans.
It is designed to weaken us.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at December 06, 2014 01:20 PM (TqyFL)
Agreed. I was about to make roughly the same point with the salad analogy...that in this context the effect of the dressing, which adds its flavor to all of the separate ingredients and thus binds them all together, is ignored or overlooked.
Posted by: CQD at December 06, 2014 01:32 PM (tcvYF)
No.
That's just completely wrong. The dressing is a lie.
The purpose of the salad bowl analogy is to create divisions between people, to make them forget who they are, to make them forget they are unified as Americans.
It is designed to weaken us.
Posted by: eman at December 06, 2014 01:36 PM (MQEz6)
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Language unifies us. The worst that could have happened was accommodating Latinos by printing everything in two languages.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 06, 2014 01:36 PM (uSAVP)
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ot
from a link over at http://iotwreport.com/
This is great.
James O'Keefe is THE BADGER.
Just the picture of her face is priceless, and worth a peek. But the video is worth watching too.
O'Keefe was in Baton Rouge on Thursday, announcing that he's filing bar complaints agains some of the now-disgraced attorneys who prosecuted him years ago for one of his journalistic endeavors.
http://rebelpundit.com/landrieu-operative-slanders-james-okeefe-then-runs-when-she-sees-him/
ot
from a link over at http://iotwreport.com/
This is great.
James O'Keefe is THE BADGER.
Just the picture of her face is priceless, and worth a peek. But the video is worth watching too.
O'Keefe was in Baton Rouge on Thursday, announcing that he's filing bar complaints agains some of the now-disgraced attorneys who prosecuted him years ago for one of his journalistic endeavors.
http://rebelpundit.com/landrieu-operative-slanders-james-okeefe-then-runs-when-she-sees-him/
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 06, 2014 01:36 PM (IXrOn)
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My latest zomblog post addresses this "salad bowl" issue head-on:
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=2019
"Cheby Caprice 4 Sail
I recently came across a car for sale in the SF Bay Area with this sign affixed to it:
[pic of sign saying ""Cheby Caprice 4 Sail"]
Now, I could imagine how maybe if you had only once heard the phrase "Chevrolet Caprice" or "Chevy Caprice" you could have misheard it and thought perhaps it was spelled "Cheby."
But if you own the car, you must know that it's a "Chevy."
I guess there are just people out there whose brains work differently than mine, and for them there is no linkage between printed text and the sound it represents.
Or maybe spelling is by now a thing of the past, a forgotten tradition like curtsying or phrenology."
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=2019
"Cheby Caprice 4 Sail
I recently came across a car for sale in the SF Bay Area with this sign affixed to it:
[pic of sign saying ""Cheby Caprice 4 Sail"]
Now, I could imagine how maybe if you had only once heard the phrase "Chevrolet Caprice" or "Chevy Caprice" you could have misheard it and thought perhaps it was spelled "Cheby."
But if you own the car, you must know that it's a "Chevy."
I guess there are just people out there whose brains work differently than mine, and for them there is no linkage between printed text and the sound it represents.
Or maybe spelling is by now a thing of the past, a forgotten tradition like curtsying or phrenology."
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2014 01:37 PM (K4YiS)
65
SMASH THE COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARY ROMAINE CLIQUE!!!!
Posted by: The Crouton Radical Action Liberation Front at December 06, 2014 01:37 PM (MPK82)
66
55 and lots of asian chicks dig white dudes.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 06, 2014 01:28 PM (ZPrif)
Thank God....
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 06, 2014 01:32 PM (AC0lD)
Total high five on that.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 06, 2014 01:28 PM (ZPrif)
Thank God....
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 06, 2014 01:32 PM (AC0lD)
Total high five on that.
Posted by: eman at December 06, 2014 01:37 PM (MQEz6)
67
The fancy term for the medley or mixture--in a salad and also in a human community--is macédoine.
Posted by: m at December 06, 2014 01:37 PM (G891H)
68
The so-called melting pot seemed to blend more easily without the seasoning of Amerindians, United Empire Loyalists, and the separated/unequal/enslaved/segregated Africans. All of which contravenes the ideal.
Posted by: RioBravo at December 06, 2014 01:38 PM (z27Ny)
69
Politics of Personal Identity, foisted upon generations of students by the Dept of Ed.
Posted by: aggravated libertarian at December 06, 2014 01:39 PM (cmBvC)
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Fondue? Salad? The liberal ideal is now a ... buffet. Everything separate and competing.
Why is Elizabeth Lauten unemployed for what she did while no one at Rolling Stone or UVA is?
There's trouble brewing.
Why is Elizabeth Lauten unemployed for what she did while no one at Rolling Stone or UVA is?
There's trouble brewing.
Posted by: Raspail at December 06, 2014 01:40 PM (4HYng)
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The latino/chicano/hispanic activists will ultimately lose cause so many hispanic chicks dig white guys and like the idea of having lighter-skinned babies.
The melting pot is working in America, just not fast enough to cope with these insanely high rates of immigration. Legal vs illegal isn't really the issue. A country and a culture can only absorb so many foreign people at one time.
A few hundred thousand a year, melting pot could handle that.
A few million a year -- it clearly can't.
If we shut down immigration for 20-30 years and let the melting pot slowly work on the huge immigrant population we have -- we'd have a lot more unity.
The 50s really did have a more unified America - and it had the lowers % of foreign-born in 50 years before or since.
50 years from now we'll see a bunch of quarter korean, quarter irish, quarter mexican, quarter generic white guy types roaming America.
Those types are pretty immune to crazy ethnic Al Sharpton rabble rousers.
The melting pot is working in America, just not fast enough to cope with these insanely high rates of immigration. Legal vs illegal isn't really the issue. A country and a culture can only absorb so many foreign people at one time.
A few hundred thousand a year, melting pot could handle that.
A few million a year -- it clearly can't.
If we shut down immigration for 20-30 years and let the melting pot slowly work on the huge immigrant population we have -- we'd have a lot more unity.
The 50s really did have a more unified America - and it had the lowers % of foreign-born in 50 years before or since.
50 years from now we'll see a bunch of quarter korean, quarter irish, quarter mexican, quarter generic white guy types roaming America.
Those types are pretty immune to crazy ethnic Al Sharpton rabble rousers.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 06, 2014 01:40 PM (ZPrif)
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Pow Wow Chow!
Posted by: Fauxahauntas at December 06, 2014 01:41 PM (uSAVP)
Posted by: The Reverend Al Sarpton at December 06, 2014 01:41 PM (KCxzN)
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Now, I could imagine how maybe if you had only once heard the phrase "Chevrolet Caprice" or "Chevy Caprice" you could have misheard it and thought perhaps it was spelled "Cheby."
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2014 01:37 PM (K4YiS)
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Interesting that Chevrolet uses the pronunciation Shev-Ro-Lay in English language advertisements but Shev-Ro-Let in Spanish language advertisements in the United States.
So the Hispanic 'Shebi' or 'Chebi' must be good too.
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2014 01:37 PM (K4YiS)
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Interesting that Chevrolet uses the pronunciation Shev-Ro-Lay in English language advertisements but Shev-Ro-Let in Spanish language advertisements in the United States.
So the Hispanic 'Shebi' or 'Chebi' must be good too.
Posted by: RioBravo at December 06, 2014 01:44 PM (z27Ny)
75
SMASH THE COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARY ROMAINE CLIQUE!!!!
Posted by: The Crouton Radical Action Liberation Front at December 06, 2014 01:37 PM (MPK82)
**********
IMPOSTER!
Posted by: The Crouton Radical Action Liberation Front at December 06, 2014 01:37 PM (MPK82)
**********
IMPOSTER!
Posted by: The Peoples Front for the Liberation of Croutons at December 06, 2014 01:44 PM (jucos)
76
Global oil and gas exploration projects worth more than $150 billion are likely to be put on hold next year as plunging oil prices render them uneconomic, data shows, potentially curbing supplies by the end of the decade.
Posted by: John D Rockefeller at December 06, 2014 01:44 PM (e8kgV)
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The latino/chicano/hispanic activists will ultimately lose cause so many hispanic chicks dig white guys and like the idea of having lighter-skinned babies.
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So?
----
So?
Posted by: Jorge Ramos at December 06, 2014 01:44 PM (z27Ny)
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"I could move to Canada, take citizenship there, live there for the rest
of my life, and my obituary would refer to me as a Yank. The same is
true in Germany, or Japan, or Iran or Argentina."
I would argue that this is actually no longer the case, with the sole exception of Japan.
These days, pretty much the rest of the developed world have adopted the same horribly flawed concept that all you have to do is show up, and go through citizenship procedures, and you thereafter instantly become, and will be described as being, "of" that country. Regardless of your real culture, beliefs, and allegiances.
I read a headline the other day which said something along the lines of "British woman commemorates war death of Swedish husband".
These individuals were both Muslim jihadis. Affiliated with the Islamic State terror front. The "war death" in question occurred while the husband was busily massacring Kurdish civilians in northern Syria.
The "British" woman was not British: not biologically, culturally, philosophically, religiously, or linguistically British. Not as those categories of Britishness have been traditionally understood.
She was a Middle Eastern immigrant Muslim who had been granted British citizenship and had lived for a few brief years in the UK. But apparently that pair of minor steps now abruptly and magically makes one "British" in toto.
Likewise, her "Swedish" husband was not Swedish: not biologically, culturally, philosophically, religiously, or
linguistically Swedish. Not as those categories of Swedishness have been
traditionally understood.
He was a Middle Eastern immigrant Muslim who had been granted Swedish
citizenship and had lived for a few brief years in Sweden. But
apparently that pair of minor steps now abruptly and magically makes one
"Swedish" in toto.
So essentially, these other countries are trying as well to do the American melting-pot model. Without realizing that the American melting-pot model was an intrinsically unworkable concept from the start. And it's failing even faster and more dangerously for them then it has failed for the USA.
of my life, and my obituary would refer to me as a Yank. The same is
true in Germany, or Japan, or Iran or Argentina."
I would argue that this is actually no longer the case, with the sole exception of Japan.
These days, pretty much the rest of the developed world have adopted the same horribly flawed concept that all you have to do is show up, and go through citizenship procedures, and you thereafter instantly become, and will be described as being, "of" that country. Regardless of your real culture, beliefs, and allegiances.
I read a headline the other day which said something along the lines of "British woman commemorates war death of Swedish husband".
These individuals were both Muslim jihadis. Affiliated with the Islamic State terror front. The "war death" in question occurred while the husband was busily massacring Kurdish civilians in northern Syria.
The "British" woman was not British: not biologically, culturally, philosophically, religiously, or linguistically British. Not as those categories of Britishness have been traditionally understood.
She was a Middle Eastern immigrant Muslim who had been granted British citizenship and had lived for a few brief years in the UK. But apparently that pair of minor steps now abruptly and magically makes one "British" in toto.
Likewise, her "Swedish" husband was not Swedish: not biologically, culturally, philosophically, religiously, or
linguistically Swedish. Not as those categories of Swedishness have been
traditionally understood.
He was a Middle Eastern immigrant Muslim who had been granted Swedish
citizenship and had lived for a few brief years in Sweden. But
apparently that pair of minor steps now abruptly and magically makes one
"Swedish" in toto.
So essentially, these other countries are trying as well to do the American melting-pot model. Without realizing that the American melting-pot model was an intrinsically unworkable concept from the start. And it's failing even faster and more dangerously for them then it has failed for the USA.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 06, 2014 01:45 PM (noWW6)
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America is more of a pinata. You smash it until it breaks then take all the stuff.
Posted by: bleck at December 06, 2014 01:48 PM (h9G8n)
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Good post, weirddave
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 06, 2014 01:48 PM (KCxzN)
81
56 Nice feet, Nied.
....
You're such a liar. My feet are awful but they'll look much better in a few minutes.
....
You're such a liar. My feet are awful but they'll look much better in a few minutes.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2014 01:48 PM (Oy+/A)
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For those who don't know already, research the "Frankfurt School" and start connecting the dots.
Posted by: Sam at December 06, 2014 01:48 PM (sO6CM)
83
The creation of the hispanic/latino identity in the 1960s was insane since most are already mostly euro ethnically. It's already a mix of amerindian and spanish euro DNA. The melting pot is already half done. There was no need to create a separate govt category and freeze it in place.
The BS "hispanic" govt identity is like how many countries have white, black and "colored". The "coloreds" are the govt ethnic identity for people who are mixed white and black. America doesn't have that as an official ID. The stupid one drop cultural rule means most white-black mixed people identify 100% as black.
If govt forced us to check Irish vs Italian vs German when getting a driver's licence maybe we'd have some dumbass one-drop rule where everybody who was quarter Italian would be trying to brag how they are 100% Italian.
thankfully we don't have that and all the euro-mutts in America don't have to pick one ethnic heritage and pretend the others don't exist.
"Hispanic" is just the "colored" version of white-amerindian mixing.
The BS "hispanic" govt identity is like how many countries have white, black and "colored". The "coloreds" are the govt ethnic identity for people who are mixed white and black. America doesn't have that as an official ID. The stupid one drop cultural rule means most white-black mixed people identify 100% as black.
If govt forced us to check Irish vs Italian vs German when getting a driver's licence maybe we'd have some dumbass one-drop rule where everybody who was quarter Italian would be trying to brag how they are 100% Italian.
thankfully we don't have that and all the euro-mutts in America don't have to pick one ethnic heritage and pretend the others don't exist.
"Hispanic" is just the "colored" version of white-amerindian mixing.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at December 06, 2014 01:49 PM (ZPrif)
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longtime lurker... poor N.C....drove by a bus stop yesterday...all nightmarers...oops I mean "dreamers"
Posted by: jennifer at December 06, 2014 01:49 PM (FGuSR)
85
So essentially, these other countries are trying as well to do the
American melting-pot model. Without realizing that the American
melting-pot model was an intrinsically unworkable concept from the
start.
I think you're dead wrong there. Salad bowl model, yes, spot on, but the melting pot works, it worked for centuries. As someone said upthread "SPEAK ENGLISH, WRITE ENGLISH, OBEY THE LAW WORK".
Nothing else is needed to be an American.
American melting-pot model. Without realizing that the American
melting-pot model was an intrinsically unworkable concept from the
start.
I think you're dead wrong there. Salad bowl model, yes, spot on, but the melting pot works, it worked for centuries. As someone said upthread "SPEAK ENGLISH, WRITE ENGLISH, OBEY THE LAW WORK".
Nothing else is needed to be an American.
Posted by: Weirddave at December 06, 2014 01:50 PM (KAmzK)
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79 America is more of a pinata. You smash it until it breaks then take all the stuff.
Posted by: bleck
hilo ganador!
Posted by: bleck
hilo ganador!
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2014 01:51 PM (K4YiS)
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xulu36: Yes. Group identities promoted as the Politics of Personal Identity. Ironically, this decreases individual rights.
Yay critical theory!
Yay critical theory!
Posted by: KTbarthedoor at December 06, 2014 01:51 PM (qahv/)
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Politicians found long ago the profitability of division.
Almost all leftist thought is based on dividing groups arbitrarily. This social justice crap is just an extension of that.
Politicians found long ago the profitability of division.
Almost all leftist thought is based on dividing groups arbitrarily. This social justice crap is just an extension of that.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 06, 2014 01:51 PM (NtzGn)
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It is designed to weaken us.
Posted by: eman at December 06, 2014 01:36 PM (MQEz6)
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it is all part of the goal to weaken the group which is the majority (what it still barely is) to the advantage of various minorities.
Interesting historic development which swung from discrimination in favor of the majority (Jewish quotas, black and Amerindian segregation) to those in favor of a variety of minorities (affirmative action quotas) with the acquiescence of the majority itself. Now a new twist may develop with limits on Asians in college admissions.
Posted by: eman at December 06, 2014 01:36 PM (MQEz6)
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it is all part of the goal to weaken the group which is the majority (what it still barely is) to the advantage of various minorities.
Interesting historic development which swung from discrimination in favor of the majority (Jewish quotas, black and Amerindian segregation) to those in favor of a variety of minorities (affirmative action quotas) with the acquiescence of the majority itself. Now a new twist may develop with limits on Asians in college admissions.
Posted by: RioBravo at December 06, 2014 01:52 PM (z27Ny)
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That would be an excellent question on the Voit-Kampf test.
Holden, "Do you feel this country is a heady stew or just a tossed salad?"
Holden, "Do you feel this country is a heady stew or just a tossed salad?"
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 06, 2014 01:52 PM (X8n03)
91
So why can't we have Oregon cheerleaders at the top of this thread, too?
Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 06, 2014 01:52 PM (9tzvc)
92
The melting pot metaphor belongs to an earlier. The pot that contained the melt was industrialism, not some abstract notion of constitution or freedom. The constitution and freedom allowed for a period of vigorous industrialization that provided large scale employment. That employment concentrated people from a wide variety of backgrounds, heritages, and even languages into a common workforce (factory floor, rail yard, whatever) where out of necessity they learned to collaborated in a mutually beneficial and tolerable manner. The easy way to achieve this necessity of getting through the job was to build a shared culture that became characterized as uniquely American. We no longer that kind of mass employment opportunity. Modern employment is far more segregated and fragmented in even the largest organizations so that there is much less necessity to conform to larger shared culture. The concept of USA alone does not present a melting pot. Lacking the industrial revolution, concept of USA would have promoted a salad bowl of individualism and independence.
Posted by: dedomeno at December 06, 2014 01:53 PM (UccCH)
93
I also thought the "melting pot" referred to metals - aren't some metals made stronger when melted down and mixed with others?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 06, 2014 01:54 PM (ABcz/)
94
America does not have a requirement that all immigrants learn to speak English, and that will assist in preserving the identities and customs of all men, women, and children who seek to become hyphenated American's.
If our new found brothers and sisters falter, we all know it simply "takes a village" and the American welfare system to right the ship.
America does not have a requirement that all immigrants learn to speak English, and that will assist in preserving the identities and customs of all men, women, and children who seek to become hyphenated American's.
If our new found brothers and sisters falter, we all know it simply "takes a village" and the American welfare system to right the ship.
Posted by: Sir Hillary Rodham at December 06, 2014 01:55 PM (3/wAJ)
95
I had to attend a race relations class while serving in the U.S. Navy. In that class we were told not to think of the country as a melting pot but as a "Mulligan Stew" in which each ingredient maintained its own unique flavor.
That was in 1974.
I had to attend a race relations class while serving in the U.S. Navy. In that class we were told not to think of the country as a melting pot but as a "Mulligan Stew" in which each ingredient maintained its own unique flavor.
That was in 1974.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 06, 2014 01:55 PM (W5DcG)
96
As someone said upthread "SPEAK ENGLISH, WRITE ENGLISH, OBEY THE LAW WORK".
Nothing else is needed to be an American.
Posted by: Weirddave at December 06, 2014 01:50 PM (KAmzK)
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That belief is one of the the reasons the country has changed from and emphasis from individual rights and freedoms to a group orientation.
Nothing else is needed to be an American.
Posted by: Weirddave at December 06, 2014 01:50 PM (KAmzK)
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That belief is one of the the reasons the country has changed from and emphasis from individual rights and freedoms to a group orientation.
Posted by: RioBravo at December 06, 2014 01:56 PM (z27Ny)
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"Language unifies us."
All on its own it doesn't. Unfortunately.
A common language is a necessary but individually insufficient precondition for genuine national unity.
Reflect that, apart from occasional silliness like teaching Swahili or ebonics to black kids in the public schools, the African-American population is overwhelmingly Anglophone, and has been for many generations.
Yet the majority of African-Americans remain completely culturally unreconciled to the mores and norms of Anglo-American society. To include even the country's core political architecture, derived originally from pre-existing Anglo traditions, frameworks and concepts.
I recall reading the recollections of a white teacher who had worked for years in a majority-black public high school, having asked a group of seniors in the classroom what the U.S. Constitution meant to them.
One girl shot up her hand. "It a white thing."
Cue chorus of laughter from the other pupils.
All on its own it doesn't. Unfortunately.
A common language is a necessary but individually insufficient precondition for genuine national unity.
Reflect that, apart from occasional silliness like teaching Swahili or ebonics to black kids in the public schools, the African-American population is overwhelmingly Anglophone, and has been for many generations.
Yet the majority of African-Americans remain completely culturally unreconciled to the mores and norms of Anglo-American society. To include even the country's core political architecture, derived originally from pre-existing Anglo traditions, frameworks and concepts.
I recall reading the recollections of a white teacher who had worked for years in a majority-black public high school, having asked a group of seniors in the classroom what the U.S. Constitution meant to them.
One girl shot up her hand. "It a white thing."
Cue chorus of laughter from the other pupils.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 06, 2014 01:56 PM (noWW6)
98
American
melting-pot model was an intrinsically unworkable concept from the
start.
I think you're dead wrong there. Salad bowl model, yes, spot on, but the melting pot works, it worked for centuries. As someone said upthread "SPEAK ENGLISH, WRITE ENGLISH, OBEY THE LAW WORK".
Nothing else is needed to be an American.
Posted by: Weirddave at December 06, 2014 01:50 PM (KAmzK)
I agree Weirddave.
I didn't get the comment about it not working. It's one of the reasons America has been so powerful and great (and I mean in brain power, research, and all that, not just "powerful.")
We've been able to bring in the best and the brightest, and worked together. The envy of the world, hence, most hated...
melting-pot model was an intrinsically unworkable concept from the
start.
I think you're dead wrong there. Salad bowl model, yes, spot on, but the melting pot works, it worked for centuries. As someone said upthread "SPEAK ENGLISH, WRITE ENGLISH, OBEY THE LAW WORK".
Nothing else is needed to be an American.
Posted by: Weirddave at December 06, 2014 01:50 PM (KAmzK)
I agree Weirddave.
I didn't get the comment about it not working. It's one of the reasons America has been so powerful and great (and I mean in brain power, research, and all that, not just "powerful.")
We've been able to bring in the best and the brightest, and worked together. The envy of the world, hence, most hated...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 06, 2014 01:56 PM (IXrOn)
99
"Hispanic" is just the "colored" version of white-amerindian mixing.
Posted by: Costanza Defense
In Mexico, the word for anyone who is part European and part Indian is "mestizo" (which means "mixed").
93% of the population in Mexico is mestizo. There are actually very few undiluted Native Americans and undiluted Europeans left there.
Very recent genetic studies show that the mix on average for individuals is about 66% European ancestry and 33% Native American ancestry.
"Mestizo" is essentially the equivalent of the "Colored" category in Apartheid South Africa -- whch now considered utterly racist as a concept. And yet "Hispanic" -- as you point out -- is little more than the American version of "mestizo" or "colored."
Posted by: Costanza Defense
In Mexico, the word for anyone who is part European and part Indian is "mestizo" (which means "mixed").
93% of the population in Mexico is mestizo. There are actually very few undiluted Native Americans and undiluted Europeans left there.
Very recent genetic studies show that the mix on average for individuals is about 66% European ancestry and 33% Native American ancestry.
"Mestizo" is essentially the equivalent of the "Colored" category in Apartheid South Africa -- whch now considered utterly racist as a concept. And yet "Hispanic" -- as you point out -- is little more than the American version of "mestizo" or "colored."
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2014 01:59 PM (K4YiS)
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Mrs. Nerd is a naturalized citizen who arrived here with her family when she was 7. You can clearly see the difference between salad & melting pot within her family. If you met her, you would never know she was from Greece (aside from the facial features and maiden name). Her parents and brother, however, self-segregate into the Greek community. Prefer to speak Greek, and continue to embrace some of the behaviors that have turned their homeland into a socialist cesspool.
Posted by: Yep, I'm a nerd... EMAW at December 06, 2014 02:00 PM (FCgaq)
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93 I also thought the "melting pot" referred to metals - aren't some metals made stronger when melted down and mixed with others?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 06, 2014 01:54 PM (ABcz/
Fire can't melt steel, you ignorant hick!
Posted by: Lizzy at December 06, 2014 01:54 PM (ABcz/
Fire can't melt steel, you ignorant hick!
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 06, 2014 02:01 PM (uSAVP)
102
Melting pot?Unfortunately a most "migrants" refuse to "Melt."
Posted by: helloit's me Donna and I know nuthink! at December 06, 2014 02:02 PM (Bn6aD)
103
OT, but it looks like they finally got this little motherfucker: http://bit.ly/1s62XLa
Posted by: Shane McGowan's Liver at December 06, 2014 02:03 PM (hQfa+)
104
The Left encourages tribalism, its divisive nature keeps them in power.
America is different from almost all other nations in one important aspect: we never had a king. There were never born-into "classes" that meant, if you were born a peasant, you died a peasant, and if you were born into royalty you were regal forever.
In America, everyone is free to choose whatever path they want (provided it isn't criminal). The circumstances of your birth won't hold you back...unless you let them, and claim the system "isn't fair."
America is different from almost all other nations in one important aspect: we never had a king. There were never born-into "classes" that meant, if you were born a peasant, you died a peasant, and if you were born into royalty you were regal forever.
In America, everyone is free to choose whatever path they want (provided it isn't criminal). The circumstances of your birth won't hold you back...unless you let them, and claim the system "isn't fair."
Posted by: Null at December 06, 2014 02:09 PM (xjpRj)
105
I was just listening to NPR (don't judge me!) and they had a funny joke. What does John Boehner drink? Johnny Walker Orange.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 06, 2014 02:09 PM (LImiJ)
106
OT, but it looks like they finally got this little motherfucker: http://bit.ly/1s62XLa
Posted by: Shane McGowan's Liver at December 06, 2014 02:03 PM (hQfa+)
Hope so.
This was interesting, too:
Feds: Navy engineer tried to steal schematics for new carrier class
A Navy engineer was arrested and charged Friday with attempting to steal plans for the Navy's most advanced aircraft carrier, now under construction at Newport News Shipbuilding.
Mostafa Ahmed Awwad, 35, a York County, Va., resident who worked at Norfolk Naval Shipyard in Virginia, was indicted on two counts of attempted exportation of defense articles and technical data, according to a news release from U.S. Attorney Dana J. Boente. If convicted, he faces a maximum of 20 years in prison on each count.
Awwad intended to send the schematics to Egypt, authorities said.
http://tinyurl.com/klmp932
Stars and Stripes dot com
Posted by: Shane McGowan's Liver at December 06, 2014 02:03 PM (hQfa+)
Hope so.
This was interesting, too:
Feds: Navy engineer tried to steal schematics for new carrier class
A Navy engineer was arrested and charged Friday with attempting to steal plans for the Navy's most advanced aircraft carrier, now under construction at Newport News Shipbuilding.
Mostafa Ahmed Awwad, 35, a York County, Va., resident who worked at Norfolk Naval Shipyard in Virginia, was indicted on two counts of attempted exportation of defense articles and technical data, according to a news release from U.S. Attorney Dana J. Boente. If convicted, he faces a maximum of 20 years in prison on each count.
Awwad intended to send the schematics to Egypt, authorities said.
http://tinyurl.com/klmp932
Stars and Stripes dot com
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 06, 2014 02:11 PM (IXrOn)
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"but the melting pot works, it worked for centuries."
I demur entirely from the proposition that mass multinational immigration has been conducted in America "for centuries".
It's been not that much more than one century, and for certain decades of that century, there were strong immigration lockdowns in place.
Moreover, even in eras where we don rose-colored glasses and cover the lenses with gauze and Vaseline, when looking back to the imagined "success of the melting pot" model in epochs such as the 1950s, you would find if you actually went back in a time machine that _damn little_ actual melting went on.
I used to work for a guy who grew up in an Italian neighborhood of New York City in the fabled wonderful 1950s. When everything is retrospectively claimed to have been great, and the melting pot was supposedly doing all kinds of awesome stuff to make ***YAY AMERICANS YAY*** out of the various multinational immigrants.
I asked him about his having visited other areas of the city at that time (where my own family had residence) and what he might recall of that.
He shrugged and said that Italian kids like him stayed in Italian neighborhoods. If the Italian kids went outside of those boundaries, they promptly got the living shit kicked out of them. And, of course, if anyone who wasn't Italian came and desecrated an Italian neighborhood with a non-Italian presence, those outsiders would get the living shit kicked out of them, too.
Likewise, during this purported heyday of the "melting pot", Jews lived with Jews, Irish with Irish, Puerto Ricans with Puerto Ricans, blacks with blacks. And those rules were enforced with violence. Not official violence, but violence nonetheless.
I demur entirely from the proposition that mass multinational immigration has been conducted in America "for centuries".
It's been not that much more than one century, and for certain decades of that century, there were strong immigration lockdowns in place.
Moreover, even in eras where we don rose-colored glasses and cover the lenses with gauze and Vaseline, when looking back to the imagined "success of the melting pot" model in epochs such as the 1950s, you would find if you actually went back in a time machine that _damn little_ actual melting went on.
I used to work for a guy who grew up in an Italian neighborhood of New York City in the fabled wonderful 1950s. When everything is retrospectively claimed to have been great, and the melting pot was supposedly doing all kinds of awesome stuff to make ***YAY AMERICANS YAY*** out of the various multinational immigrants.
I asked him about his having visited other areas of the city at that time (where my own family had residence) and what he might recall of that.
He shrugged and said that Italian kids like him stayed in Italian neighborhoods. If the Italian kids went outside of those boundaries, they promptly got the living shit kicked out of them. And, of course, if anyone who wasn't Italian came and desecrated an Italian neighborhood with a non-Italian presence, those outsiders would get the living shit kicked out of them, too.
Likewise, during this purported heyday of the "melting pot", Jews lived with Jews, Irish with Irish, Puerto Ricans with Puerto Ricans, blacks with blacks. And those rules were enforced with violence. Not official violence, but violence nonetheless.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 06, 2014 02:13 PM (noWW6)
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(see comment down thread for the pasted material)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 06, 2014 02:13 PM (AC0lD)
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Just how many Egyptians with typewriters would it take to build an advanced carrier, even if they had the plans?
Threat here is to find weak points which could be compromised.
Threat here is to find weak points which could be compromised.
Posted by: scottst at December 06, 2014 02:14 PM (Ltygl)
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Yikes.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2014 02:14 PM (1Y+hH)
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Sorry - that went less well than expected.
Into the barrel, or the stew, or the melting pot I go....
But here's the link for the story
http://tinyurl.com/ppdyroj
Into the barrel, or the stew, or the melting pot I go....
But here's the link for the story
http://tinyurl.com/ppdyroj
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 06, 2014 02:14 PM (AC0lD)
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Barrel for Stateless!
Posted by: Y-not at December 06, 2014 02:14 PM (9BRsg)
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The only difference is, it just hasn't peaked into chaos yet, because of population (small) and not that many immigrate to Canada in the first place.
There's a reason 90% of the Canadian population lives within 50 miles of the U.S. border. They're like a dog huddled up to the warmth of the U.S. hearth. Do any Canadians still think their universal healthcare is the greatest thing since sliced back-bacon?
There's a reason 90% of the Canadian population lives within 50 miles of the U.S. border. They're like a dog huddled up to the warmth of the U.S. hearth. Do any Canadians still think their universal healthcare is the greatest thing since sliced back-bacon?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 06, 2014 02:15 PM (5buP8)
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"America is different from almost all other nations in one important aspect: we never had a king."
Cough.
Cough.
Posted by: His Excellency, Emperor Barackhenaton The First at December 06, 2014 02:15 PM (noWW6)
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"The founding fathers recognized this and realized that the great
American experiment could very well fail if its citizens retained their
preexisting tribal loyalties in their new country."
How many dual citizens in the highest echelons of US govt?
American experiment could very well fail if its citizens retained their
preexisting tribal loyalties in their new country."
How many dual citizens in the highest echelons of US govt?
Posted by: odys at December 06, 2014 02:15 PM (lkFC+)
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I just remembered that speaking of melting, we have a shot at major gloating tonight when Ms. Landrieu melts away in LA.
I just remembered that speaking of melting, we have a shot at major gloating tonight when Ms. Landrieu melts away in LA.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2014 02:16 PM (1Y+hH)
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Is that a post, or a landing strip?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 06, 2014 02:16 PM (5buP8)
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Stateless,
Just so noobs learn what causes that, did you cut and paste from Word or something?
I'll clean it up in a bit if Weirddave doesn't do it. (He's learning the ropes of posting/editing so I want to give him a chance.)
Just so noobs learn what causes that, did you cut and paste from Word or something?
I'll clean it up in a bit if Weirddave doesn't do it. (He's learning the ropes of posting/editing so I want to give him a chance.)
Posted by: Y-not at December 06, 2014 02:16 PM (9BRsg)
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Sorry, I'm trying one more time, because one of the biggest mass murderers in Canadian history is treated as just another Canadian guy and that's relevant to this post.
Today's column
is dedicated to a very special Canadian man by the name of Marc Lepine. On this
day, 25 years ago, he killed 14 women at the Polytechnique school in Montreal.
Stories are on the CBC website. I'm having trouble with links.
Even then, the stupid, young
liberal kid I was, wondered in the back of my mind, why no pictures of the
gunman? A horrible massacre takes place and the media can't find one picture of
the gunman?
But Marc Lepine wasn't born Marc Lepine - he was born Gamil Gharbi - something
you'll find scrubbed from all of the reporting today. In fact, even Mark
Steyn's article seems to be scrubbed from the internets.
But with some searching, you can find that Marc Lepine was Gamil Gharbi, the son of an Algerian Muslim
immigrant Liess Gharbi and Quebecoise Monique Lepine, he grew up in a poor and
extremely dysfunctional household in Montreal.
But for 25 years, his heritage has
been covered up in a convenient lie to further multiculturalism, women's
victimhood and gun control.
Even in death, Gamil was every bit the Canadian I ever was or shall be...
http://tinyurl.com/ppdyroj
Today's column
is dedicated to a very special Canadian man by the name of Marc Lepine. On this
day, 25 years ago, he killed 14 women at the Polytechnique school in Montreal.
Stories are on the CBC website. I'm having trouble with links.
Even then, the stupid, young
liberal kid I was, wondered in the back of my mind, why no pictures of the
gunman? A horrible massacre takes place and the media can't find one picture of
the gunman?
But Marc Lepine wasn't born Marc Lepine - he was born Gamil Gharbi - something
you'll find scrubbed from all of the reporting today. In fact, even Mark
Steyn's article seems to be scrubbed from the internets.
But with some searching, you can find that Marc Lepine was Gamil Gharbi, the son of an Algerian Muslim
immigrant Liess Gharbi and Quebecoise Monique Lepine, he grew up in a poor and
extremely dysfunctional household in Montreal.
But for 25 years, his heritage has
been covered up in a convenient lie to further multiculturalism, women's
victimhood and gun control.
Even in death, Gamil was every bit the Canadian I ever was or shall be...
http://tinyurl.com/ppdyroj
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 06, 2014 02:17 PM (AC0lD)
120
Front porch has been powerwashed. Let the drinking commence.
Posted by: toby928(C) has a twitter account at December 06, 2014 02:17 PM (rwI+c)
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Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 06, 2014 02:11 PM
"Mostapha Ahmed Awwad," eh?
Fine old Irish name.
Makes me proud of our inclusive, fairness-oriented government that they don't discriminate against people who might well totally fail anything but the most cursory -- or nonexistent -- security check.
That's how we got Choom Boy, after all.
"Mostapha Ahmed Awwad," eh?
Fine old Irish name.
Makes me proud of our inclusive, fairness-oriented government that they don't discriminate against people who might well totally fail anything but the most cursory -- or nonexistent -- security check.
That's how we got Choom Boy, after all.
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 06, 2014 02:18 PM (yAC3X)
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There are two kinds of Americans, those inside the Barrel and those outside the Barrel.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 06, 2014 02:18 PM (LImiJ)
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Posted by: Y-not at December 06, 2014 02:16 PM (9BRsg)
Thanks Y-not.
Yeah, I did. I tried posting 4 times with errors. Copied into Word. Tried again with errors and ended up screwing up the entire thread....
....while sober! I swear!
I am sorry.
Posted by: Y-not at December 06, 2014 02:16 PM (9BRsg)
Thanks Y-not.
Yeah, I did. I tried posting 4 times with errors. Copied into Word. Tried again with errors and ended up screwing up the entire thread....
....while sober! I swear!
I am sorry.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 06, 2014 02:19 PM (AC0lD)
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Ah, the glorious tost-salat of...The Melting Barrel.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 06, 2014 02:19 PM (xq1UY)
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I just remembered that speaking of melting, we have a shot at major gloating tonight when Ms. Landrieu melts away in LA.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2014 02:16 PM
Oh, yes...tonight, we'll get another drone for the Army of Cheeto Boy, won't we?
Elections have consequences: whoever wins, we all lose.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2014 02:16 PM
Oh, yes...tonight, we'll get another drone for the Army of Cheeto Boy, won't we?
Elections have consequences: whoever wins, we all lose.
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 06, 2014 02:21 PM (yAC3X)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 06, 2014 02:21 PM (FsuaD)
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>>I am sorry.
No apologies needed! I really just wanted to confirm so folks get a chance to see how pixy reacts to some things.
No apologies needed! I really just wanted to confirm so folks get a chance to see how pixy reacts to some things.
Posted by: Y-not at December 06, 2014 02:22 PM (9BRsg)
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Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 06, 2014 02:17 PM (AC0lD)
Quebec is a craphole.
They have no clue what they're up against.
Quebec is a craphole.
They have no clue what they're up against.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 06, 2014 02:24 PM (IXrOn)
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But for 25 years, his heritage has
been covered up in a convenient lie to further multiculturalism, women's
victimhood and gun control.
I don't get the whole muzzie protection racket. Even if not outright truther, it's like the left thinks we somehow deserve moslim aggression. I refuse to capitalize that word...
been covered up in a convenient lie to further multiculturalism, women's
victimhood and gun control.
I don't get the whole muzzie protection racket. Even if not outright truther, it's like the left thinks we somehow deserve moslim aggression. I refuse to capitalize that word...
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 06, 2014 02:24 PM (5buP8)
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America was founded by British people ( mostly English ) on British social and political principles, based on English / Welsh common law, speaking the King's English, practicing various forms of Protestantism
--with scattered small communities of other northern Euros who learned and adopted the Stuff above.
when you let the 3rd world in, you become Banana Republic. end of story
--with scattered small communities of other northern Euros who learned and adopted the Stuff above.
when you let the 3rd world in, you become Banana Republic. end of story
Posted by: Tommy Aq at December 06, 2014 02:25 PM (8CdUx)
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Hard to believe now but not so long ago Lebanon was the jewel of the Middle East and Beirut was the the Paris of the Middle East. Then they went multi culti and became a failed state. Back in th 1970s when the elites were talking multi culti, I thought that with Lebanon as an example of there be dragons, multi culti would be cast upon the scrap heap of bad ideas. I was wrong.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 06, 2014 02:26 PM (LImiJ)
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I read this as an indictment of our current immigration policy. We set the bar so low that there is no sense of accomplishment or pride amongst the illegal community in being American. Crawling under a wire doesn't instill a sense of community. Working the long and legal process does (in most cases). At the moment I'm advocating the Australian immigration plan: "come here legally or be detained and returned immediately".
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 06, 2014 02:26 PM (g0ks+)
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"Oh, yes...tonight, we'll get another drone for the Army of Cheeto Boy, won't we? Elections have consequences: whoever wins, we all lose."
That's pretty much how I feel about it.
It'll be fun to watch Miss Piggy Landrieu get barbecued, but let us not pretend that Cassidy portends some major break with the squishy, corrupt tradition of Beltway Republicanism.
All together now! Square your shoulders! Lock and load! Gird your loins for battle! Today we raise high the banner of... the banner of... um, well, the banner of _not quite as stenchulous as that other bunch are_. WHO'S WITH ME?!?!?!?!?! CHARGE!!!
That's pretty much how I feel about it.
It'll be fun to watch Miss Piggy Landrieu get barbecued, but let us not pretend that Cassidy portends some major break with the squishy, corrupt tradition of Beltway Republicanism.
All together now! Square your shoulders! Lock and load! Gird your loins for battle! Today we raise high the banner of... the banner of... um, well, the banner of _not quite as stenchulous as that other bunch are_. WHO'S WITH ME?!?!?!?!?! CHARGE!!!
Posted by: torquewrench at December 06, 2014 02:28 PM (noWW6)
134
One of my neighbors is a naturalized citizen from Mexico. He's also a successful artist and had a one man show in the Museo Quinta Gameros in his home state of Chihuahua, Mexico a few years ago and was named favorite son of his little home town. He was, of course, very honored. He told me the irony was that he could not make a living in Mexico as a mining engineer, which is his training, and certainly not as an artist. He had to come to the US to do that and he is very happy to be an American.
Posted by: huerfano at December 06, 2014 02:28 PM (bAGA/)
135
We have been having a spectacular run of amazing dives into the Barrel of late.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 06, 2014 02:29 PM (X8n03)
136
The melting pot emphasizes and nurtures the importance of the greater
whole. The salad bowl pays lip service to the idea of a greater whole
while working to undermine it by emphasizing the primacy of all the
individual components.
Weird Dave unfortunately seems to be championing the socialist hive, threatened by the rogue individual.
Not that I don't believe your starting point - dialectically unified melting pot vs. imminently exploitable atomized plasma salad of mutually hostile identity tribes - isn't 100% correct. But you need to keep a tighter reign on your analogies, buckeroo.
whole. The salad bowl pays lip service to the idea of a greater whole
while working to undermine it by emphasizing the primacy of all the
individual components.
Weird Dave unfortunately seems to be championing the socialist hive, threatened by the rogue individual.
Not that I don't believe your starting point - dialectically unified melting pot vs. imminently exploitable atomized plasma salad of mutually hostile identity tribes - isn't 100% correct. But you need to keep a tighter reign on your analogies, buckeroo.
Posted by: Peter at December 06, 2014 02:29 PM (44DJX)
137
"Back in th 1970s when the elites were talking multi culti, I thought
that with Lebanon as an example of there be dragons, multi culti would
be cast upon the scrap heap of bad ideas. I was wrong."
But of course when you point out to the chattering classes the violent disintegration of Lebanon, they have a handy excuse invariably close to hand: everything would have worked out for the best if it hadn't been for those meddling Jews next door.
that with Lebanon as an example of there be dragons, multi culti would
be cast upon the scrap heap of bad ideas. I was wrong."
But of course when you point out to the chattering classes the violent disintegration of Lebanon, they have a handy excuse invariably close to hand: everything would have worked out for the best if it hadn't been for those meddling Jews next door.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 06, 2014 02:30 PM (noWW6)
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I read this as an indictment of our current immigration policy. We set the bar so low that there is no sense of accomplishment or pride amongst the illegal community in being American.
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 06, 2014 02:26 PM (g0ks+)
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If the American people take no pride in being American, why would legal and illegal immigrants.
One purpose of public schools from some point in the 19th century was to foster Americanism in those who did not develop on their own with debatable results. Now the schools teach anti-Americanism (or perhaps 'All the Things Wrong with America).
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at December 06, 2014 02:26 PM (g0ks+)
-----
If the American people take no pride in being American, why would legal and illegal immigrants.
One purpose of public schools from some point in the 19th century was to foster Americanism in those who did not develop on their own with debatable results. Now the schools teach anti-Americanism (or perhaps 'All the Things Wrong with America).
Posted by: RioBravo at December 06, 2014 02:30 PM (z27Ny)
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But if you own the car, you must know that it's a "Chevy."
I guess there are just people out there whose brains work
differently than mine, and for them there is no linkage between printed
text and the sound it represents.
Or maybe spelling is by now a thing of the past, a forgotten tradition like curtsying or phrenology."
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2014 01:37 PM (K4YiS)
In some styles of Spanish, "b" and "v" have the same value.
I guess there are just people out there whose brains work
differently than mine, and for them there is no linkage between printed
text and the sound it represents.
Or maybe spelling is by now a thing of the past, a forgotten tradition like curtsying or phrenology."
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2014 01:37 PM (K4YiS)
In some styles of Spanish, "b" and "v" have the same value.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 06, 2014 02:31 PM (8Fl6F)
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The LA Times thinks the crapification of America is just dandy. They call it Latino Urbanism!
http://tinyurl.com/mfg2pz4
http://tinyurl.com/mfg2pz4
Posted by: PJ at December 06, 2014 02:31 PM (cHuNI)
141
Hey Rocky, watch me pull Marxist success story out of my hat.
Posted by: Professor Bullwinkle J. Elite at December 06, 2014 02:32 PM (LImiJ)
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Speak English, write English, obey the law and work. It's not to much to ask.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 01:20 PM (rwI+c)
***********And allegiance to the country.
Speak English, write English, obey the law and work. It's not to much to ask.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 01:20 PM (rwI+c)
***********And allegiance to the country.
Posted by: gracepmc at December 06, 2014 02:33 PM (xvd51)
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Part of the problem in Lebanon is that the Christian part of the population had a ready escape. They came here, and to other countries in the west, and their diminished number there hurt their traditional roll as the tie-breakers between the other factions.
Posted by: toby928(C) pontificates at December 06, 2014 02:33 PM (rwI+c)
144
Bye bye Miss American Pie.
Took my Cheby to th leby but the leby was dry.
Took my Cheby to th leby but the leby was dry.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 06, 2014 02:34 PM (LImiJ)
145
Also, the flood of Palestinians into Lebanon during and after Black September upset the balance of power.
Posted by: toby928(C) pontificates at December 06, 2014 02:34 PM (rwI+c)
146
Nood
Posted by: Y-not at December 06, 2014 02:35 PM (9BRsg)
147
don't get the whole muzzie protection racket. Even if not outright truther, it's like the left thinks we somehow deserve moslim aggression. I refuse to capitalize that word...
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 06, 2014 02:24 PM (5buP
The leftists see the muslims as allies in their war against the concept of individual liberty and limited government. (The enemy of my enemy is my friend, sort of thing). If successful, the leftists think they can control the "genie in the bottle;" they are wrong. Having no religious anchor themselves, the leftists don't understand the religious of any faith.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 06, 2014 02:24 PM (5buP
The leftists see the muslims as allies in their war against the concept of individual liberty and limited government. (The enemy of my enemy is my friend, sort of thing). If successful, the leftists think they can control the "genie in the bottle;" they are wrong. Having no religious anchor themselves, the leftists don't understand the religious of any faith.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at December 06, 2014 02:38 PM (wQYNW)
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Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 06, 2014 02:24 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 06, 2014 02:24 PM (5buP
Yeah, the left doesn't have any idea what it's in for. I'd love to see Alberta go free so it can watch Ontario and Quebec burn safely from a distance.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 06, 2014 02:24 PM (5buP
Yeah, the left doesn't have any idea what it's in for. I'd love to see Alberta go free so it can watch Ontario and Quebec burn safely from a distance.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 06, 2014 02:39 PM (AC0lD)
149
I used to piss off a Lebanese Muslim woman I worked with by always referring to her home country as Greater Syria. She hated Syrians only slightly less than she hated Palestinians and Jews.
They got a lot of hate over there.
They got a lot of hate over there.
Posted by: toby928(C) has drink taken at December 06, 2014 02:40 PM (rwI+c)
150
and here's an interesting note about that woman. Both she and her husband managed to get themselves on full disability for chronic pain. Now these immigrants don't work at all. Just draw the dole from Uncle Sugar.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 02:44 PM (rwI+c)
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But you are a Yank!
Posted by: andycanuck at December 06, 2014 02:44 PM (2ZvEW)
152
I'd have sent both their asses back to Lebanon if it had been up to me.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 02:45 PM (rwI+c)
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fairweatherbil, I agree that people don't value what they don't work for.
Once there was a big corruption scandal in a nearby town and an immigrant from Egypt I think gave quite a nice little explanation to a news reporter of how the city council was violating the basic principles of the Constitution. The bad guys are all in prison now.
The best thing about legal immigration is that people learn what it is to be an American and they dig it.
Once there was a big corruption scandal in a nearby town and an immigrant from Egypt I think gave quite a nice little explanation to a news reporter of how the city council was violating the basic principles of the Constitution. The bad guys are all in prison now.
The best thing about legal immigration is that people learn what it is to be an American and they dig it.
Posted by: PJ at December 06, 2014 02:45 PM (cHuNI)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 06, 2014 02:49 PM (LImiJ)
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 02:53 PM (rwI+c)
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Both she and her husband managed to get themselves on full disability for chronic pain. Now these immigrants don't work at all. Just draw the dole from Uncle Sugar.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 02:44 PM (rwI+c)
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That would seem to be a niche specialty among a variety of immigrant communities. Then tug the chain and bring in aged mom and dad to work briefly to then soak up some social security.
Posted by: toby928(C) at December 06, 2014 02:44 PM (rwI+c)
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That would seem to be a niche specialty among a variety of immigrant communities. Then tug the chain and bring in aged mom and dad to work briefly to then soak up some social security.
Posted by: RioBravo at December 06, 2014 03:02 PM (z27Ny)
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Read something somewhere once that the Army + WW I,II actually did the melting/alloying part of the pot. There have always been ethnic neighborhoods. It's just been engineered by the Left into a toxin.
Posted by: DaveA at December 06, 2014 03:07 PM (DL2i+)
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I know I am late to the party but I do want to point out that the whole "La Raza" thing is about the racial melting pot in the area where Spain conquered the New World and bred with the indigenous women to create a new master race of mestizo hybrids. Perhaps that is a useful philosophy in places that still maintain a rigid class system which is based in no small part on race with Peninsulares at the top but I am not sure that it is all that helpful in the United States today.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at December 06, 2014 03:12 PM (PD6iL)
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"The leftists see the muslims as allies in their war
against the concept of individual liberty and limited government. (The
enemy of my enemy is my friend, sort of thing). If successful, the
leftists think they can control the "genie in the bottle;" they are
wrong. Having no religious anchor themselves, the leftists don't
understand the religious of any faith.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at December 06, 2014 02:38 PM (wQYNW)"
Sort of the way the wealthy in Germany looked on the National Socialists in 1932.
against the concept of individual liberty and limited government. (The
enemy of my enemy is my friend, sort of thing). If successful, the
leftists think they can control the "genie in the bottle;" they are
wrong. Having no religious anchor themselves, the leftists don't
understand the religious of any faith.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at December 06, 2014 02:38 PM (wQYNW)"
Sort of the way the wealthy in Germany looked on the National Socialists in 1932.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at December 06, 2014 03:17 PM (PD6iL)
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"White House Ebola Czar quits. "
Another one under the bus.
He failed to get Ebola started in America to "even things up".
Obama searching outlying villages in west Africa for suitable replacement.
Another one under the bus.
He failed to get Ebola started in America to "even things up".
Obama searching outlying villages in west Africa for suitable replacement.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2014 03:30 PM (1Y+hH)
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"160
"White House Ebola Czar quits. "
Another one under the bus.
He failed to get Ebola started in America to "even things up".
Obama searching outlying villages in west Africa for suitable replacement.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2014 03:30 PM (1Y+hH)"
On the contrary. He got Ebola out of the news cycle despite the fact that there are more than 1400 people in the US currently being monitored for Ebola.
His work is done and he is now moving on to spike some other stories that would be harmful to Democrats if they ever appeared in print or broadcast.
"White House Ebola Czar quits. "
Another one under the bus.
He failed to get Ebola started in America to "even things up".
Obama searching outlying villages in west Africa for suitable replacement.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2014 03:30 PM (1Y+hH)"
On the contrary. He got Ebola out of the news cycle despite the fact that there are more than 1400 people in the US currently being monitored for Ebola.
His work is done and he is now moving on to spike some other stories that would be harmful to Democrats if they ever appeared in print or broadcast.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at December 06, 2014 04:10 PM (PD6iL)
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I agree with you, OAH. I think that's exactly what his role was.
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"No bacon on Massa's salad!" I remember this crap from grade school. Our social studies book tried to lay the salad bowl iea on us but our teacher told us that it was bogus. God bless her!
Posted by: Maximus at December 06, 2014 04:34 PM (T3hOB)
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Yes, then they bring in their (rich) parents and get them to put all their assets in the kids' names, and then go on disability and SSI, etc.
Posted by: PJ at December 06, 2014 04:37 PM (cHuNI)
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And the less said about that "devilweed" (aka lettuce) in the salad, the better...
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at December 06, 2014 05:27 PM (y3dEv)
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This is not a new problem. Teddy Roosevelt railed against hyphenated Americans a century ago. We simply need the cultural confidence to assert that there is an essential core philosophy of "Americanness" -- a sense of fair play, equality before the law for all (not just for your ethnic group), a rejection of the zero sum game, and a refusal to kowtow to authority.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 06, 2014 06:04 PM (19RKp)
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Thanks for these Fundamental Concepts posts. They've been some of my favorites on the blog lately!
Posted by: Petrus at December 06, 2014 07:07 PM (ARZzc)
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I have to disagree with one point. America was not founded by a bunch of people who just created a new country ex nihilo from philosophical musings along with an entire culture, mores, and norms.
America has deem Anglo-Saxon roots, and it was those aspects that carried over and that the Founders wished to preserve and protect.
America has deem Anglo-Saxon roots, and it was those aspects that carried over and that the Founders wished to preserve and protect.
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