Responding To Obama's Executive Amnesty: Let Obama Give The State Of The Union Somewhere Else

With the die officially cast on Obama's executive amnesty, attention now turns to the response from congressional leaders. Not only is this a fight about Obama's policies but something far more important, a unilateral power grab from the legislative branch of government. Boehner and McConnell may not want to want to take Obama on over immigration but they should be heavily invested in protecting the power of the legislature to make laws.

Yesterday we saw a number of ideas floated about how to respond....rescission, lawsuits, de-funding and withholding votes on nominees to name a few on the table. There's one idea I'd like to add that is in many ways symbolic but that would focus the nation on the seriousness of this problem, do not invite Obama to address a joint session of Congress to deliver the State of the Union address.

The Constitution simply requires that "He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient." Nothing requires that he do so in person. The modern in person State of The Union dates back to Woodrow Wilson but Truman, Eisenhower and Nixon all gave written reports as was the custom from Thomas Jefferson to Wilson.

And Presidents don't simply show up whenever they please to address the Congress, they must be formally invited. That's where Boehner and McConnell can strike a blow for the legislature...simply don't invite him.

Yesterday, Boehner said, "The president had said before that he's not king and he's not an emperor," Boehner says. "But he's sure acting like one."

Why would the Speaker invite such a man to address "the people's house"? All Obama would do would use the time to lecture members of a co-equal branch on what they must do and what he deems acceptable work product for them. Members of the United States Congress are under no obligation to sit mutely while the President brow beats them.

Obama has said he doesn't feel compelled to listen to the voters who showed up to the polls a little over two weeks ago. The Representatives elected by those people should make it clear they are simply acting in kind, they will not listen to him.

Yes the media will be apoplectic about this. Good, that's the point. This is a serious moment in our nation's history. I've not seen a single Republican, even ones who strongly support legislative amnesty, support the President on this. The outrage caused by what is an extreme step will help to focus the nation on the threat to our constitutional order.

The President and his supporters have repeatedly said the "prosecutorial discretion" he claims is well within in the law and his power. Well, not inviting the President to speak to the assembled members of Congress is well within the discretion and power of the Speaker of the House.


[Note: This is meant as an addition to the de-funding and nomination blocking ideas, not instead of them]

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:50 AM




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1 So, do something petty and small? Cool, great idea.

Posted by: Just a guy at November 21, 2014 10:45 AM (ibvmu)

2 Would change nothing: He'd simply change the speech location to the White House, the media would call it the State of the Union, and he could decry the petty partisanship of Congress and Republicans.

Posted by: Profiteer at November 21, 2014 10:46 AM (QVLa0)

3 Good idea.

Posted by: Perpetua at November 21, 2014 10:46 AM (yLHjv)

4 I like it. They'll never do it because they fear the media more than the voters....but I like the idea.

Posted by: Sgr at November 21, 2014 10:47 AM (tII+W)

5 I'm underwhelmed.

Posted by: Old Glazier at November 21, 2014 10:47 AM (1W2Op)

6 I agree with this post 100%.

It *should* be open warfare with the White House for the next two years and this would be a decent opening salvo.

Of course, I'd rather see them attach a rider to all funding bills that his Secret Service protection upon leaving the Presidency should be limited to five square miles around Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but...

Posted by: JEM at November 21, 2014 10:48 AM (o+SC1)

7 Land of the free:

http://tinyurl.com/kqrrags

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at November 21, 2014 10:49 AM (BZAd3)

8 So what if he moves it to the White House. Good. It would still be worth it. But he'd probably just move the SOTU to a Univision special event.

Posted by: Sgr at November 21, 2014 10:49 AM (tII+W)

9 That would most certainly be an improper use of legiscutorial discretion.

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 21, 2014 10:49 AM (lG2E3)

10 "Boehner and McConnell can strike a blow "

That's some funny $hit right there. Neither one has the strength to strike a f***ing match.

Posted by: anon a mouse at November 21, 2014 10:49 AM (gXRIG)

11 Hell of an idea, Drew.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at November 21, 2014 10:50 AM (BZAd3)

12 Executive immigration law. Its a tax.
And Not the hill to die on.

Posted by: Judas Iscariot Roberts, C.J. at November 21, 2014 10:51 AM (hKyl0)

13 That'll show him.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 21, 2014 10:51 AM (XzRw1)

14 So, do something petty and small? Cool, great idea.


You forgot to sock The GOPe.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 10:51 AM (xSCb6)

15 1 -- So, do something petty and small? Cool, great idea.
Just a guy


Or, invite him, but 'accidentally' leave a length of rope, ending in a noose, on the podium.

Go big or go home...

Posted by: CPT. Charles at November 21, 2014 10:51 AM (/mTq0)

16 That idea is soooo raycist! You want to ethnically cleanse the country!!!!

Posted by: GruberingMedia at November 21, 2014 10:52 AM (jIT7s)

17 Good idea. Let's spread the notion.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 10:52 AM (2cS/G)

18 Excellent idea.
And let the media get upset. It might be well to point out that pay-back is a bitch and they really don't want that under a republican President. Neither do I, but if the Legislature doesn't respond, we are all screwed anyway.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 21, 2014 10:52 AM (08Znv)

19 Instead of figuring out a way we can actually accomplish something, let's throw a hissy fit about the SOTU!!!111

Posted by: This Blog Apparently at November 21, 2014 10:52 AM (zySt1)

20 So, Obama said nothing about work permits.

I have scoured the web for details, but I can find none.

What did he do last night that he already wasn't doing?

There have been no deportations of people living here. He just formalized the informal policies he has had for 6 years!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 21, 2014 10:52 AM (4+IgA)

21 Usher in the black GOP.

Posted by: redenzo at November 21, 2014 10:52 AM (JMb/Y)

22 So, you think at his age Boehner is going to grow a pair? How quaint.

Posted by: Hotspur at November 21, 2014 10:52 AM (5cgIv)

23 Sounds like a plan to me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2014 10:53 AM (M0mf2)

24 "Obama has said he doesn't feel compelled to listen to the voters who
showed up to the polls a little over two weeks ago. The Representatives
elected by those people should make it clear they are simply acting in
kind, they will not listen to him."



Even though the whole idea is a bad one not a good one. This would be an outstanding public statement to make about it.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 10:53 AM (xSCb6)

25 It'll never happen, but if it helped kill the televised SOU seal-clapping show, I'm all for it.

Posted by: brak at November 21, 2014 10:53 AM (Tj+s6)

26 We are so boned.

Posted by: pmzy at November 21, 2014 10:54 AM (pmzey)

27 Hey. Everyone is fired. I hired a new Mexican team at 3 dollars less an hour.

Posted by: redenzo at November 21, 2014 10:54 AM (JMb/Y)

28

Personally, I'd rather see TFG arrested at his own SOTU speech as the first step of his impeachment, removal from orifice, and subsequent jail term.

But that's just me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 21, 2014 10:55 AM (0HooB)

29 Of course if he shows up anyway, maybe this time we can have 246 Joe Wilson's shouting out. That would be entertaining.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 21, 2014 10:55 AM (08Znv)

30 @24 - Commas, one of life's enduring mysteries.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 10:55 AM (xSCb6)

31 The thing is to do something "unprecedented" in answer to Obama's unprecedented power grab. Demonstrate that he is no longer considered legitimate, or worthy of the dignities accorded an American President. Drew's idea fits that bill.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 10:55 AM (2cS/G)

32 "We are so boned."

Yeah, you really are.

Posted by: John Boner at November 21, 2014 10:55 AM (lG2E3)

33 Invite him, then have a mass glitter bombing.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 10:55 AM (DrWcr)

34 Like this idea. Sure MSM will spin it as petty but they spin everything his way as is. No reason to give him a platform and there is plenty of precedent for not doing so in the fairly recent past.

As for what his highness proposed last night, and I don't for a minute believe he will take any actions himself to send the criminal element back, but I kinda like the idea. I know it's apocryphal but if we get these people to self-register, require them to self-register, and then deal with them as necessary 5 (or was it 3) years from now when GOP should likely have even more power, if not POTUS itself. Yeah, it's amnesty for the time being but no reason it will be permanent.

Posted by: WTP at November 21, 2014 10:56 AM (V40IZ)

35 DrewM-

"Not only is this a fight about Obama's policies but something far more
important, a unilateral power grab from the legislative branch of
government."

I think you meant "executive", not "legislative".

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 21, 2014 10:56 AM (wtvvX)

36 Well, not inviting the President to speak to the assembled members of Congress is well within the discretion and power of the Speaker of the House.



BFD. He'll go to Vegas to give it and use that to swear the econmy is roaring.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 10:57 AM (zESFM)

37 Just de-fund the Teleprompter. Sure, speak all you want! Oh, by the way, the floor recognizes Trey Gowdy...

Posted by: t-bird at November 21, 2014 10:57 AM (q29nF)

38 This is the entrenched establishment GOP ideas? Start floating around this idea in the hopes that the conservatives will think it's good enough so the establishment GOP can bide time to figure out how best to make Obama's actions stick while making it appear they are disgusted by them?

Keep dreaming Drew, we can see right through you.

Posted by: doug at November 21, 2014 10:57 AM (uJ8q7)

39
Congress will invite Obama to speak because to do otherwise, in their view, wouldconstitute bad sportsmanship. Republican politicians are forever fearful of being perceived as bad sports. Because soft. Because weak. Because they don't fully understand who and what they're facing and the magnitude of the problems bearing down on the country like a freight train.

That's another thing, too: the GOP is always worrying itself sick about what Obama is going to do. To paraphrase US Grant, let Obama worry about what the GOP is going to do, just this once.

Posted by: troyriser at November 21, 2014 10:57 AM (DU9hE)

40 Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out! I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!!

Posted by: Eric Stratton at November 21, 2014 10:57 AM (F7lRL)

41 I like it. Ignoring trolls IS the appropriate response.

Posted by: DaveA at November 21, 2014 10:57 AM (DL2i+)

42


Shun the Shyster!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2014 10:57 AM (IXrOn)

43 I love this idea! I can only imagine what kind of petulant response we'd get from Dear Leader.

Likely very popcorn-worthy.

Posted by: Swanzinator at November 21, 2014 10:57 AM (KBA+k)

44 Decent idea but we have to keep our powder dry and not fight these kinds of battles.

Posted by: ejo at November 21, 2014 10:57 AM (rsGj7)

45 Excellent idea.

Did you get it from Mitt Romney?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 21, 2014 10:57 AM (Zu3d9)

46 So, you think at his age Boehner is going to grow a pair? How quaint.

Posted by: Hotspur at November 21, 2014 10:52 AM (5cgIv)

This is always an option:



http://www.neuticles.com/

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 21, 2014 10:58 AM (7MWCL)

47 This is chicken-shit.

It would really, really upset Obama, denying him access for another Bloviation Bonanza but is a chicken-shit gesture.

How about doing some real stuff. Such as denying ANY committee assignments to democrats and not voting for ANY nominees for any position whatsoever. This is all legal, procedural stuff, just like Harry Reid's round-filing of every bill emanating from the house.

Not good for business, but it will change some minds.

Posted by: Gunslinger at November 21, 2014 10:58 AM (4S7hN)

48 I would suggest, if the Nullifier's address happens, that our conservative compadres, at every applause break, laugh hysterically - knee slapping and tear wiping, the whole nine yards, like at a stand-up comedian's show when the comic is Klingbeil it.
And have several others, during quieter moments, pull the John Belushi/Blutarski sneeze that sounds remarkably like the word "bullshit" bit.

Posted by: Taqyia2Me at November 21, 2014 10:58 AM (OIiAB)

49 Breaking: instead of pardoning a turkey this Thanksgiving, King Obama will pardon a Mexican drug mule.

Posted by: @votermom at November 21, 2014 10:58 AM (fAgrA)

50 How about this. Let the President give his speech. However, don't let him invite any guests. We don't get to have Manuel in the audience, as the President talks about him being a DREAMer. We don't get to have Betsy in the audience, as the President talks about how Obamacare gave her birth control.

The GOP Representatives all have explicit instructions. Sit in silence. Do not clap unless Speaker Boehner claps. Even then, only clap tacitly. Don't show much enthusiasm. Just some light clapping when he talks about how great the United States is. Silence and stone faced when he touts his policies.

Then at the end of Obama's speech, he says "Thank you, God Bless you and God Bless America." The Democrats all clap and cheer enthusiastically. The Republicans all stand respectfully, silent. Obama starts to wave, but a GOP Representative steps forward. Senator Cruz/Paul/Rubio/Scott/Insert-your-favorite-here steps up to a podium and starts yelling, "Mr. Speaker, a word." Boehner pounds his gavel for silence.

"The honorable Senator is recognized to take the floor."

Then, the GOP delivers their response speech right there, from the floor of the house. It has a Mr. Smith goes to Washington vibe, speaking truth to power. It is tempered and stays on track about the over-reach of the Executive. At the end of the speech, we realize why there are none of the President's guests in the audience. The gallery has been completely packed with GOP staffers and loyalists. The response gets a bigger applause than the President.

That's how I dream it would go down. Of course, I don't think the GOP has the stones to do it.

Posted by: Santos L. Halper at November 21, 2014 10:58 AM (eoOaz)

51 We in Brattleboro are proud of Presdent Obama for helping persons of some color and also helping persons of color. Persons of no color have been given too much benefits on the backs of persons of some color and persons of color. I am proud of our President of Color for helping persons of color and persons of some color while making a point to persons of no color that all persons of color, some color, and no color are all equal in the eyes of the US Government. We also stil hate Bush because Bush lied to our President Of Color !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jenny Dunstan-Cline at November 21, 2014 10:58 AM (Sd++4)

52

time to go take care of myself

so I can eat my cheesecake later without guilt

Hope Ace comes out swingin'! Optimistically speaking.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2014 10:58 AM (IXrOn)

53 Its a start. And one that will make Candy Crowley squeal racism. Add an impeachment or two to his judges for good measure and then produce a budget and send it to him. Otherwise, ignore the infant terrible.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 10:58 AM (oDCMR)

54 DrewM-

Oh wait, I misinterpeted it. "Power grab from the legislative branch" makes sense. I hastily read it as "Power grab by"...

Nevermind *Litella voice*

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 21, 2014 10:59 AM (wtvvX)

55 The fact this asshole President has folks considering ideas like this one proves this asshole President is a hopeless pile of junk.

Impeach his ass.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2014 10:59 AM (MQEz6)

56 I think there's a precedent for a legislature blocking the Head of State from entering the building.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Rod#State_Opening_of_Parliament

Posted by: andycanuck at November 21, 2014 10:59 AM (vHjbk)

57 Have Johnathan Turley give the SOU response laying out the dangers of O's actions.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 21, 2014 10:59 AM (KFdZd)

58 But you can't hold an entire country responsible for the behavior of a sick twisted President. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame our whole three branch governing system? And if the whole three branch governing system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our democracy in general? I put it to you - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

[Leads the Republicans out of the Capitol, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner].

Posted by: Otter at November 21, 2014 10:59 AM (SdKt4)

59 That's a really good idea.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 10:59 AM (ZPrif)

60 I would also add, that all of his Cabinet Secretaries report monthly to Congress and answer all questions under oath for the next two years. Lets see if they want to spend their retirement time in a federal prison.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 10:59 AM (oDCMR)

61 Hope Ace comes out swingin'!

I didn't realize he was part of that scene.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:00 AM (DrWcr)

62 That idea is soooo raycist! You want to ethnically cleanse the country!!!!



Well, to be totes honest, the gene pool has needed a metric fuck-ton of chlorine for awhile now.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 11:00 AM (zESFM)

63 Can Congress serve an eviction notice?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 21, 2014 11:00 AM (YXkpM)

64 keep our powder dry and not fight these kinds of battles.

It's just Boner not doing something, he appears to be pretty good at that.

Posted by: DaveA at November 21, 2014 11:00 AM (DL2i+)

65 You lie!

Posted by: Joe Wilson (R-SC) at November 21, 2014 11:00 AM (V70Uh)

66 [RACIST]

Posted by: tooltip at November 21, 2014 11:00 AM (T1lV8)

67 Like the idea. Won't happen.

Posted by: thathalfrican at November 21, 2014 11:00 AM (R5HRU)

68

Just "hire" more Joe Wilson's.

/wave

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2014 11:00 AM (IXrOn)

69 "Mr. President:

We will require you to give your State of the Union Address from the Mt. Erebus caldera in Antarctica. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter."


Posted by: Kristophr at November 21, 2014 11:00 AM (6ROe1)

70 They should have an ornate throne, scepter and royal robes set up for him.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:00 AM (DrWcr)

71
What difference, at this point, does it make?!/1!?!!?!1/!???

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 21, 2014 11:02 AM (HSmrB)

72 It's a good idea, if -

its simply a very small part of overall action of defunding, etc, and

the Reps appoint spokesperson's to announce the action and also field questions about it, who have

and this is important, practiced and anticipated Dim hack MSM questions.

and point out the lawlessness of Oblabla, along with stating how this amnesty takes jobs away from unemployed Americans and kids who did the right thing and studied and went to college-

how Oblabla gives illegals who broke the law precedence over law-abiding citizens.

Yeah, that would work and help if done that way.

Also, McCain, Graham, et al should be told to STFU.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 21, 2014 11:02 AM (0cMkb)

73 70 They should have an ornate throne, scepter and royal robes set up for him.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:00 AM (DrWcr)


+100

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 21, 2014 11:02 AM (ZALPg)

74 Or, invite him to give SOTU address and when he begins to snore on just get and leave.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 11:02 AM (oDCMR)

75

There should be Roman Columns

and a new seal!

oh. did that.

ok

robes, and a crown, and a throne! there must be a throne!

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:02 AM (zOTsN)

76 Well, not inviting the President to speak to the assembled members of Congress is well within the discretion and power of the Speaker of the House.

But - but - comity! Reaching across the aisle! Working together!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 21, 2014 11:02 AM (zF6Iw)

77 But you can't hold an entire country responsible for the behavior of a sick twisted President.



Maybe not. But we CAN hold the 52% that put him there TWICE responsible.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 11:02 AM (zESFM)

78 20 So, Obama said nothing about work permits.

I have scoured the web for details, but I can find none.

What did he do last night that he already wasn't doing?

There have been no deportations of people living here. He just formalized the informal policies he has had for 6 years!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

Exactly, there were all sorts of TruCon predictions that Social Security cards were going to be handed out, work permitsetc.

What Obama did was make a speech about the status quo. He painted himself in a corner because he had constantly threatened this his entire Presidency. Turns out he didn't do much but say what we already know, INS is not going to take illegal immigrations seriously as long as he's President.

Don't get me wrong, this is a huge overreach to ignore enforcement of the laws for millions, but Obama did pretty much what I expected. Just made a political speech hoping to gin up talk of impeachment to save his flailing Presidency.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:02 AM (Aow3m)

79 They should have an ornate throne, scepter and royal robes set up for him.

Posted by: Insomniac
...........
Or Pharoah garb and throne with statues of Ra and Isis...

"So it is written, so it shall be done!"


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 21, 2014 11:03 AM (4+IgA)

80
Well, we uh, we didn't get everything that we wanted, but we negotiated hard and we got these coupons to Bennigan's! And free bubblegum for every Canadian. These coupons entitle every Canadian to a free meal at Bennigan's. With the purchase of a meal at equal or greater value, of course.

My friends. This is the greatest victory in Canadian history.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2014 11:03 AM (kdS6q)

81 since he is going to Vegas he could do it in front of Ceasars Palace

they already have the columns!

in fact

he is Obamus Ceasar!

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:03 AM (zOTsN)

82 Or just invite him and then ignore him. No rushing to shake his hand, no rising in applause even on motherhood and apple pie issues, no nothing. Just sit there.

Let that message resonate to the people.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 11:03 AM (g1DWB)

83 Drew must think the Republicans dont owe him one for this.

Trust me, Obama didn't take the heat off their backs for free.

Posted by: tooltip at November 21, 2014 11:04 AM (T1lV8)

84 That's how I dream it would go down. Of course, I don't think the GOP has the stones to do it.

That's the best idea I've heard yet.

Which means it won't even be considered by the Repumpkin leaders.

If you need them, they'll be over there, curled up in the fetal position underneath the table, crying for their momma while sucking their thumb.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 21, 2014 11:04 AM (0HooB)

85 Don't get me wrong, this is a huge overreach to
ignore enforcement of the laws for millions, but Obama did pretty much
what I expected. Just made a political speech hoping to gin up talk of
impeachment to save his flailing Presidency.

Posted by: Jimbo
.........
Yeah.. that pretty much sums up my take on it as well.

Policy-wise, it was a big nothing burger.

But he still needs to be bitch-slapped for the power grab.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 21, 2014 11:04 AM (4+IgA)

86 10 "Boehner and McConnell can strike a blow "

That's some funny $hit right there. Neither one has the strength to strike a f***ing match.

Posted by: anon a mouse at November 21, 2014 10:49 AM (gXRIG)


*spits cawfee* need the laugh today.

Posted by: Viv Savage at November 21, 2014 11:05 AM (HRo7B)

87 Time to shun TFG. He is a black mark on consensual representative government.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 11:05 AM (oDCMR)

88 But he'd probably just move the SOTU to a Univision special event.
And now... the Presidential address and Ugly Betty Reunion Show!

Posted by: the MFM at November 21, 2014 11:05 AM (vHjbk)

89 "Exactly, there were all sorts of TruCon predictions..."


Shove your made up stories right back up where they came from.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 11:05 AM (xSCb6)

90 its not a SOTU

its a STFU

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:06 AM (zOTsN)

91 Don't overlook the "Welcome mat" effect. Obama has shown the world what they can expect for the next two years. Picture a global Mariel boat lift.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 11:06 AM (2cS/G)

92 I enjoy seeing screen caps of the SOTU just to see how stupid Boehner looks. He always has that boozy, dim witted, half asleep look. Oh, and orange, lots of orange.

TOP. MEN.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:06 AM (A98Xu)

93 A simple, "We will accept your written State of the Union and will read it into the record when the time is appropriate." would be funny as hell.

"you don't need us--we don't need you."

Starve the guy of the spotlight.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2014 11:06 AM (VjL9S)

94 he will be his usual drunk cheeto self

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:07 AM (zOTsN)

95 I say invite him, but when he gets there Boner announces "we will now whack your pee pee!"


I believe that's totally legal to do.

Posted by: Viv Savage at November 21, 2014 11:07 AM (HRo7B)

96 he really is the color of cheeto fingers

meanwhile the JEF looks green. Too much choom

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:07 AM (zOTsN)

97 IS there anyway he could ride a donkey down Constitution Avenue while gays and lesbians placed palms on the street to cushion his ride? Maybe Candy Crowley could be used instead of a donkey - animal rights and all.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 11:08 AM (oDCMR)

98 Starve the guy of the spotlight.
Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2014 11:06 AM (VjL9S)

-----


Much better approach. His ego would make him go insane.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:08 AM (A98Xu)

99
Exactly, there were all sorts of TruCon predictions that Social Security cards were going to be handed out, work permitsetc.
Posted by: Jimbo



White House Details on Anticipated Administrative Relief

"Eligible immigrants will have the opportunity to request temporary relief from deportation and work authorization if they come forward"

http://tinyurl.com/lj2vwpo

At least make an effort before engaging in the usual, "Team Republican advances on the Malabar Front" twaddle.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2014 11:08 AM (kdS6q)

100 A better idea would be to go to shake his hand but then start pulling his hair!

Posted by: tooltip at November 21, 2014 11:08 AM (T1lV8)

101 I like the throne idea, but they should set up The Iron Throne from GoT, and also have the mike embedded in the pommel of a hundred pound broadsword that he has to pick up to activate to be heard.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 21, 2014 11:08 AM (SdKt4)

102 Impeach/imprison the administration officials who carry out Obama's illegal orders.

Posted by: RokShox at November 21, 2014 11:08 AM (w101k)

103 The "It was'nt so bad, I hardly felt a thing" guys are here.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2014 11:08 AM (MQEz6)

104 Congress needs to pull a Buford Pusser and specifically eliminate funding for Executive Branch greens fees.

You are expecting way too much from the GOPe.

Posted by: Valiant at November 21, 2014 11:09 AM (4rlxS)

105 87 Time to shun TFG. He is a black mark on consensual representative government.
Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 11:05 AM (oDCMR)


Whoa 'black mark'...raaacist!

Posted by: Viv Savage at November 21, 2014 11:09 AM (HRo7B)

106 morituri te non salutant

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 21, 2014 11:09 AM (Zu3d9)

107 Impeach the motherfucker. period.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 21, 2014 11:09 AM (FMbng)

108 Among other things, I believeObola Amnesty is the end of the GOPe as a national party. No way they win another national election.
And that, in my view, is a good thing--a new opposition party cannot emerge until the old one is out of the way.

Posted by: Banana Republican at November 21, 2014 11:09 AM (hKyl0)

109
Always bet on Orange, bitchez!

Posted by: John Boehner, Teh Squeaker of teh Howse at November 21, 2014 11:09 AM (0cMkb)

110 In a weird way, I'm honestly glad Obama went down this road.

The possibility of some sort of bipartisan amnesty deal just got a whole lot harder for another generation.

The politics of "comprehensive immigration reform" just tilted a lot more to the Right. It's been revealed to the public what "comprehensive" really means : Amnesty
with no consequences.

Also, you'd be amazed how "popular" the issue of being a border hawk really is. This idea that Americans were clamoring for our immigration laws to be ignored is a MSM created fantasy.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:09 AM (Aow3m)

111 Even better.....

Invite him to speak. Upon his arrival set him down in a chair, pound the gavel and hear Trey Gowdy open with -- "Here be it resolved that the assembled members of the House and Senate do forthwith proscribe impeachment proceedings on thee. As acting prosecutor I request your plea....."

Posted by: JohnMc at November 21, 2014 11:09 AM (RHBWt)

112 DOJ targeted her, according to DOJ emails.

Free Beacon @FreeBeacon 1h
Justice Department: @SharylAttkisson Was 'Out of Control' On Coverage Of Fast And Furious Scandal http://goo.gl/SqOhta via @cjciaramella

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:09 AM (ZPrif)

113 It's a good idea but the Republican leadership doesn't have the stones to do it.

Too afraid somebody will call them raaaaaacists.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 21, 2014 11:09 AM (2ruKl)

114 I'm so scared.

Posted by: Johnny Boner at November 21, 2014 11:10 AM (LA7Cm)

115 2
Would change nothing: He'd simply change the speech location to the
White House, the media would call it the State of the Union, and he
could decry the petty partisanship of Congress and Republicans.
============
He would be denied the legions of seals within the Democratic party clapping at every utterance and hooting at every insult.

Further, he would be denied the rock star treatment as he enters the chamber as said seals clamber to shake his hand.

Yes, that would be as serious blow--because you show how small he really is without his props. Especially the stupid props in the audience placed there to accentuate his points.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2014 11:10 AM (VjL9S)

116 After the way they laid down over Obamacare, I don't expect them to do much of anything over this. Sadly.

I'm glad we had, like, one good day after the election before everything turned to shit again.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 21, 2014 11:10 AM (PI0Jk)

117 Replace the entrance music with Steve Martin singing 'King Tut'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 21, 2014 11:11 AM (YXkpM)

118 But he still needs to be bitch-slapped for the power grab.

It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the gigantic neon sign that says, "Welcome, our border is now wide fucking open for your to come here and start sucking up scarce tax dollars from Americans who are lucky enough to have a job in this shitty Progressive economy."

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 21, 2014 11:11 AM (0HooB)

119 >>With the die officially cast on Obama's executive amnesty, attention now turns to the response from congressional leaders.


And this is my problem with it all. These people weren't and aren't prepared with an actionable response. These people weren't and aren't serious about defending against tyranny. This will play out as simply another squirrel to chase until the next squirrel comes along. Unserious.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 11:11 AM (1vYi0)

120 At least make an effort before engaging in the usual, "Team Republican advances on the Malabar Front" twaddle.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

Show me where they get their Social Security cards?

And what idiot illegal is going to step forward for these permits that will never be issued?

It's all bluster to get the mouth breathers in a tizzy.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:11 AM (Aow3m)

121 Fly that guy from South Africa to do a sign language translation while he is speaking with a spotlight on him.

Posted by: Lester at November 21, 2014 11:11 AM (2UPXV)

122 Invite him over, and then throw him into the House Jail.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 21, 2014 11:11 AM (evdj2)

123 Old white men refuse to let historic first president address nation.

Posted by: Dana Bash CNN at November 21, 2014 11:11 AM (ttJ2z)

124 So what are the odds Congress puts him on a weekly allowance with monthly reports by Cabinet Secretaries under oath on where the money was spent?

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 11:12 AM (oDCMR)

125 The "It was'nt so bad, I hardly felt a thing" guys are here.


Just thought this was an appropriate time to repeat this.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 11:12 AM (xSCb6)

126 Steve Sailer @Steve_Sailer 2h
The 1986 amnesty's baby bubble: how Reagan's amnesty broke California's public schools and budget in one graph http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-1986-amnestys-baby-bubble/

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:12 AM (ZPrif)

127 119: If there was going to be a response, it should have been hitting the pavement by now.

Posted by: ejo at November 21, 2014 11:12 AM (rsGj7)

128 SOTU: TFG gives the speech
Boehner & McConnell behind him holding up placards #hashtagging & factbombing his lies:
"He's #Grubering"
"That's a big fat #Gruber"
"Real unemployment rate: 23%"
"#LOL"

It would be the best SOTU ever.

Posted by: @votermom at November 21, 2014 11:12 AM (7UPJ0)

129 Woohoo!!! Bennigan's!!!

What's "Bennigan's" restaurant chain?

Posted by: andycanuck at November 21, 2014 11:12 AM (vHjbk)

130 Don't get me wrong, this is a huge overreach to ignore enforcement of the laws for millions, but Obama did pretty much what I expected. Just made a political speech hoping to gin up talk of impeachment to save his flailing Presidency.
Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:02 AM (Aow3m)

It's not just ignoring law enforcement, he wants to give these people the ability to apply for green cards by removing the legal requirement that they enter the country with legal visas or registering with Immigration. Once they have a green card, they are then here legally and can obtain everything from social services to legal services. If they are not going to be required to have a background check and won't have one from their originating country(because they have no visa), then criminals will be receiving green cards.
What he is doing is creating a new "law" of exceptions for people who broke our laws to gain entry in the first place, or for those who came here legally and then overstayed their visa.

Put it this way. The fourteen hijackers on 9/11 had numerous members who had overstayed their visas. With Obama's decree, those fourteen hijackers would be welcomed to the nearest Immigration office and given green cards and permanent residency.

We have a president who has deliberately chosen to not enforce deportations for breaking our immigration laws. It isn't just Mexicans crawling over the Rio Grande that is a concern, it is the flood of Muslims that have overstayed visas and should have been deported that is also now a concern.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 21, 2014 11:12 AM (hjTr7)

131 I have a daydream where the SOTU becomes like the House of Commons with wild jeering, boos, and shouting down

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:12 AM (zOTsN)

132 123 Old white men refuse to let historic first president address nation.

Posted by: Dana Bash CNN at November 21, 2014 11:11 AM (ttJ2z)

Have you ever seen another President treated this way?

Posted by: Eric the Holder at November 21, 2014 11:13 AM (T1lV8)

133 Invite him, then when he's finished the adulatory entrance and prepares to speak, every member of the GOP should stand, turn their backs on him, and leave.

Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 11:13 AM (YXmuI)

134 It's all bluster to get the mouth breathers in a tizzy.
--
He's handing out work authorizations -- or did you miss that part?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:14 AM (ZPrif)

135 It's all bluster to get the mouth breathers in a tizzy.
Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:11 AM (Aow3m)

-----

Much like Obamacare not increasing insurance costs.

It's just a ruse to get the mouth breathers riled.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:14 AM (A98Xu)

136 Nice.

I await the cries of how dare you disrespect the black president!

Of course, there will be no mention of how he's taken a dump on the constitution and the rule of law.

Not that this will ever happen, though.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 21, 2014 11:15 AM (r+7wo)

137 Reagan's amnesty

The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3445

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at November 21, 2014 11:15 AM (evdj2)

138 Puppet Show

And

State of the Union Address

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 21, 2014 11:15 AM (KFdZd)

139 At very least I could do without all the mindless clapping and theatricality of it all.


I don't care who the POTUS is; that's the reason I never watch it.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 11:15 AM (xSCb6)

140 If I were in Congress and I had a plan to stop all this mess I would not be telegraphing it to the dems. Opsec until the new Congress is sworn in. If they now, they can put up roadblocks to my strategy before I can enact it

not to say that is what they are doing, but it would not be the smartest thing ever to reveal your plan and strategy during the lame duck and before your party is sworn in to control both chambers

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:15 AM (zOTsN)

141 They should let his speak, but have a remote control helicopter made to look like a cock&balls hovering near his head. I've actually seen this done in Russia.

Posted by: tooltip at November 21, 2014 11:15 AM (T1lV8)

142 ugh

Posted by: thathalfrican at November 21, 2014 11:16 AM (R5HRU)

143
>>>So, do something petty and small? Cool, great idea.

He is a petty and small man. A thumb in his eye along with *actual* steps is fine with me.

Assuming, of course, we get the actual steps. Which we probably won't.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at November 21, 2014 11:17 AM (9TK8E)

144 can't our future majority leaders just go on TV/radio and ask all relevant agencies to disregard the latest abomination from president ebola and tell them to follow the laws on the books - deportations arrests, etc?
those two are not real leaders, just whiny old women

Posted by: runner at November 21, 2014 11:17 AM (yrk2K)

145 they should be holding placards that say LIE everytime he lies

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:17 AM (zOTsN)

146 How about doing everything ?


Boycott/Embargo his SOTU, and block his appointments. Deny committees to all Dems, and pass legislation like Keystone. Defund his favorite projects, and curtail his power at every turn.


THERE IS NO ONE SINGLE PERFECT TACTIC. DO THEM ALL. AT THE SAME TIME.


The point is, and I'm not aiming this at Drew, talk of "the one best thing" is a GOPe smokescreen. Arguing about the best thing to fight over just relieves the lazy bastards of the obligation to fight at all.


Fight everything. It works. Just look at the Dems.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 21, 2014 11:17 AM (+jsVQ)

147 Martooni time, bitchez!

Time to drink our sorrow away cuz I can't do anything at all.

I...I just can't....

CNN will say mean things about me.


Time to get our drink on.


*sniffles*

*cries*

*burps*

*farts*

*falls into content drunken stupor*

*shits pants*

Posted by: John Boehner, Teh Squeaker of teh Howse at November 21, 2014 11:17 AM (0cMkb)

148 We rape penguins for breakfast!

Posted by: Seals Legion XIV at November 21, 2014 11:17 AM (vHjbk)

149 Would change nothing:
He'd simply change the speech location to the White House, the media would call it the State of the Union, and he could decry the petty partisanship of Congress and Republicans.

============

He would be denied the legions of seals within the Democratic party clapping at every utterance and hooting at every insult.


=============

He would simply invite dems only. And then it would be like Russia or NORK. A 30 minute standing O.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 11:17 AM (zESFM)

150 Ben Shapiro @benshapiro 2h
Shorter Obama: Kneel Before Zod http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/11/20/Obama-announces-amnesty

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:17 AM (ZPrif)

151 I think they should do everything possible to get under his skin until he goes full Queeg

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:17 AM (zOTsN)

152 I enjoy seeing screen caps of the SOTU just to see how stupid Boehner looks. He always has that boozy, dim witted, half asleep look. Oh, and orange, lots of orange.


If it was me, as soon as TFG started talking, I'd pull out a big jug of bourbon, in full view, and start doing shots behind him, making faces and standing up to scratch myself. Maybe start reading the paper.

Or light up a cigarette.

All kinds of fun could be had at that little asshole's expense.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 21, 2014 11:17 AM (0HooB)

153 Better, if it hasn't been said yet (yeah, I just got here), invite him and have someone go all Joe Wilson on him every time he tells a lie.
Heckel the ever lovin' bejeezers out of that thin skinned, such and such and so and so.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 21, 2014 11:18 AM (Ze9kt)

154 Donde esta el bano, por favor?

Posted by: Chris M at November 21, 2014 11:18 AM (k3w9p)

155 19 Instead of figuring out a way we can actually accomplish something, let's throw a hissy fit about the SOTU!!!111
Posted by: This Blog Apparently at November 21, 2014 10:52 AM (zySt1)

Instead of reading to the end, let's jump to conclusions about what the article recommends.

You apparently.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 21, 2014 11:18 AM (r+7wo)

156 117 Replace the entrance music with Steve Martin singing 'King Tut'
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 21, 2014 11:11 AM (YXkpM)


That would work nicely!

http://tinyurl.com/c5edhy

Mentally replace Martin with Obama -- perfect!

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 21, 2014 11:19 AM (ZALPg)

157 I heard that President Obama is using this pseudo amnesty to lure people out of the shadows. He plans to ID them and to take all unpaid taxes from them. That's what I heard.


Posted by: Rumor Monger at November 21, 2014 11:19 AM (XzRw1)

158 What if they invite him but refuse to allow any television cameras?

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2014 11:19 AM (VjL9S)

159 I might watch it for that remote control penis thing.


Can we make that happen?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 11:19 AM (xSCb6)

160 Nice idea, bad visual. Remember how stupid Obama looked closing down open parks?


You want to "insult" the first Black President?


RACIST!

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 11:19 AM (0FSuD)

161 Dear Santa, I also want 1,000,000 unicorns.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 21, 2014 11:20 AM (G/Ckq)

162 Penis helicopter...just so we're clear.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 11:20 AM (xSCb6)

163 Well the Republicans could just not show up so it obvious how few Democrats are left. Instead of 550 people there would be about 130 on one side. Let Mary Landrieu sit in balcony drinking daiquiris and throwing spitballs.

Posted by: Lester at November 21, 2014 11:20 AM (2UPXV)

164 ...so I guess that whole "respect for the office" thing is pretty much shot to hell

Posted by: tooltip at November 21, 2014 11:20 AM (T1lV8)

165 I'd pull out a big jug of bourbon, in full view, and start doing shots behind him, making faces and standing up to scratch myself. Maybe start reading the paper.

have someone go all Joe Wilson on him every time he tells a lie.
Heckel the ever lovin' bejeezers out of that thin skinned, such and such and so and so.

-----


I like both of these ideas. Obama is HORRIBLE off teleprompter he'd lose it and some more of the mask would fall. Hilarity would ensue.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:20 AM (A98Xu)

166 117 Replace the entrance music with Steve Martin singing 'King Tut'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 21, 2014 11:11 AM (YXkpM)


great Anna...and don't forget the Egyptian dance, must have the dance. lol.

Posted by: Viv Savage at November 21, 2014 11:20 AM (HRo7B)

167 164 ...so I guess that whole "respect for the office" thing is pretty much shot to hell
Posted by: tooltip at November 21, 2014 11:20 AM (T1lV

-----

Yes.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:20 AM (A98Xu)

168 I'd prefer defunding Air Force One, but I like this idea

Posted by: tmitsss at November 21, 2014 11:20 AM (1nj96)

169 wtf?

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Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:21 AM (ZPrif)

170 Invite or not, he would still elbow his way up to the mic.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 21, 2014 11:21 AM (XzRw1)

171 130.

I agree, and I believe there should be an appropriate response from Congress to stop what Obama is doing.

It's not even about immigration, regardless of where you stand on that particular issue, this is a slippery slope.

I'm for lower taxes, but I would be opposed if we had a President that just passed tax cuts by telling the IRS to stand down according to such and such guidelines. It very quickly becomes a dictatorship.

My point was Obama basically made a speech about what he's already doing. It was a feeble political gesture from a President on the ropes.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:22 AM (Aow3m)

172 It may be petty and not achieve anything but I think it should be done. Use every opportunity to tweak the troll President. There are some other good moron ideas to send the petulant jerk off the rails.

The more he's told no the more the little brat is going to react like, well, a brat. Pissed cuz he can't get his way. The more he does that the more the general public will see it.

More than one way to get around the media...

Posted by: sixpkr at November 21, 2014 11:22 AM (b2/Mo)

173 How do you start one of those online petitions to DC that people are always talking about? Let's do one of those for this idea.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 11:22 AM (2cS/G)

174 I saw 1,000,000 Unicorns open for 10,000 Maniacs. It was a very by-the-numbers show.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:22 AM (DrWcr)

175 "Respect for the office" is part of the problem ... you do not "respect" someone that wishes to do you harm.


"Respect for the Office" is a great way to enable a dictatorial asshole who occupies said office. Screw that.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 21, 2014 11:22 AM (+jsVQ)

176 Boehner and McConnell are spineless poons who want essentially the same thing on amnesty. What makes anyone think they will do a damn thing about Choom's edict?

Posted by: Titanium at November 21, 2014 11:23 AM (VhPjL)

177 Penis helicopter...just so we're clear.

Posted by: Theon Greyjoy at November 21, 2014 11:23 AM (vHjbk)

178 164 ...so I guess that whole "respect for the office" thing is pretty much shot to hell

Posted by: tooltip at November 21, 2014 11:20 AM (T1lV



The office of the Presidency is unoccupied. We have a dictator now, and owe him no respect, for he has earned none.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 11:23 AM (oKE6c)

179 ...so I guess that whole "respect for the office" thing is pretty much shot to hell

Posted by: tooltip at November 21, 2014 11:20 AM (T1lV


Pretty much squandered by the current Occupant.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 21, 2014 11:23 AM (7MWCL)

180 I will respect the office WHEN HE DOES

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:24 AM (zOTsN)

181 James O'Keefe @JamesOKeefeIII 6m
WTF: docs show White House was coordinating with DOJ to stop journalist @SharylAttkisson at CBS. Via @KatiePavlich http://bit.ly/14Xxaav

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:24 AM (ZPrif)

182 Here's an idea. We send Mexico alot of money in foreign aid (757 million). For every person we catch coming into the US illegally no matter where they are from we reduce that aid by say $1000. I bet you the border will be tightened in no time, form the other side.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 11:24 AM (sgrzZ)

183 Just made a political speech hoping to gin up talk of impeachment to save his flailing Presidency.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:02 AM


Fine.

In this case, give him what he wants. Impeach his ass, and do it during the current Congress's term. As soon as the gutless eunuchs in the Senate wimp out, do it again in January. In fact, keep impeachment going throughout the next two years, all the while denying him appointments, funding and all the rest.

Tie Choom Boy up so tightly with litigation that he doesn't have time for golf or fund-raising from his homies.

I'm sick and tired of everyone following the GOPe lead and trying to "smother him with kindness," all of which he comes out of as coddled and pampered as a baby.

We've tried the Poppin' Fresh Method for six years, and this is where it has led us. It's time for anger. It's time for enforcement of the laws.

It is time to stand up for the nation which, in spite of what some think, is still more important than maintaining Good Optics and giving President Historic First© everything he wants.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 21, 2014 11:24 AM (PoKIA)

184 It's like one commenter has been sleeping through class and the teacher just woke him up with a question.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 11:25 AM (xSCb6)

185 Not inviting him to address join session sends a symbolic message that the Congress is its own branch. They should follow up with a resolution that this should be standard practice from this point forward. Recent state of the union addresses do give the popular impression of the president as presiding over congress. Halt this practice forever. It is a small gesture but it is the right message.

Posted by: dedomeno at November 21, 2014 11:25 AM (UccCH)

186 what other things will Caesar Obama do by fiat?
raise the min wage?
raise taxes on the non parasites?
declare Israel illegal?
create a carbon tax?

remember, republics fall with popular support.

Posted by: avi at November 21, 2014 11:25 AM (viqX2)

187 NPR in full blown, Just matter of fact 'of course this is legal' mode. I scanned through it by accident and had a listen.

Played some D-bag saying how it would drive the economy, and pulling a host of other bullshit out his ass.

Lets stop funding that piece of shit station first.



Posted by: Viv Savage at November 21, 2014 11:26 AM (HRo7B)

188 Holder releases a vid pleading for peace.

I have a feeling their 'peace' is kind of like their 'justice.'

Posted by: RWC - picking fruit and making beds at November 21, 2014 11:26 AM (fWAjv)

189 Invite him, but fill the hall with bananas.

Posted by: waelse1 at November 21, 2014 11:26 AM (pj9cx)

190 My point was Obama basically made a speech about what he's already doing. It was a feeble political gesture from a President on the ropes.
--
Bullshit.
You aren't paying attention. He didn't mention the part about handing out work authorizations to millions -- because that doesn't poll well.
The exec orders will cover more than what he said in his speech. Pay attention.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:26 AM (ZPrif)

191 declare Israel illegal?

Posted by: avi at November 21, 2014 11:25 AM (viqX2)

Well, at the UN it is the de facto assumption.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (Zu3d9)

192 Defund the Presidential Protection Detail.

Problem solved.

Posted by: Darth Cobalt Shiva, Sith Lord at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (F2i9w)

193 Obama wearing a beret with a parrot on his shoulder declaring If you like your toiler paper you can keep your toilet paper. That might help drive home where we are headed.

Posted by: Mr. Practical at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (v4xtb)

194 188
Holder releases a vid pleading for peace.

I hope every urban center burns to the ground over the weekend.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (XzRw1)

195 Well, at the UN it is the de facto assumption.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (Zu3d9)

As part of their anti-Semitic inner circle, you'd certainly know.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (DrWcr)

196 You can whack my pee pee!

Posted by: Scary Hairy at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (HRo7B)

197 182 Here's an idea. We send Mexico alot of money in foreign aid (757 million). For every person we catch coming into the US illegally no matter where they are from we reduce that aid by say $1000. I bet you the border will be tightened in no time, form the other side.
Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 11:24 AM (sgrzZ)
we should be sending them the f-cking hospital bills their parasites incur.

Posted by: avi at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (viqX2)

198 196 You can whack my pee pee!
Posted by: Scary Hairy at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (HRo7B)

Bailiff!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:28 AM (DrWcr)

199 Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 11:24 AM (sgrzZ)


Seconded.


Reminds me of that Mexican president (Fox maybe?) that was so vocal about US immigration policy and how screwed up it was. Maybe, just maybe if you guys could get your act together down there, your citizens wouldn't be fleeing your shithole.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 11:28 AM (xSCb6)

200 Let's Do It!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h4DZeBleLs

Posted by: Blutarsky at November 21, 2014 11:28 AM (m2yGo)

201 If it was me, as soon as TFG started talking, I'd pull out a big jug of
bourbon, in full view, and start doing shots behind him, making faces
and standing up to scratch myself. Maybe start reading the paper.



Or light up a cigarette.


I'm pretty sure Joe Biden's got all that covered.

Posted by: pep at November 21, 2014 11:28 AM (YXmuI)

202 Liberal Group Running Ad Claiming Obama Fulfilled Reagans Dream Of Building A Shining City On A Hill

Weasel Zippers

Them progressives do love them dead Republicans

What a bunch of assholes

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2014 11:29 AM (M0mf2)

203 The exec orders will cover more than what he said in his speech. Pay attention.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:26 AM


^^^^ THIS ^^^^

Choom Boy's diatribe last night was only the warm-up. When the executive orders come out, we will then know the depth of his latest shit-puddle.

I'm betting they will be even worse than his words last night.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 21, 2014 11:29 AM (PoKIA)

204 When the SOTU address is over, have the responder thank George Soros for writing it, because we all know Obama couldn't have written it on his own.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 21, 2014 11:29 AM (7MWCL)

205 Ramos and Unvision playing their role as ordered.

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Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:30 AM (ZPrif)

206 195 Well, at the UN it is the de facto assumption.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (Zu3d9)

As part of their anti-Semitic inner circle, you'd certainly know.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (DrWcr)

unless I'm misreading your post, you should know that CBD is MOT

Posted by: avi at November 21, 2014 11:30 AM (viqX2)

207 Hack his teleprompter and insert random Iowahawk tweets.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 11:30 AM (g1DWB)

208 Take a page out of their playbook with a new labeling law all company's must publicly label their stores and products with Amount of americain labor versus visaed and foreign labor. Then watch the unions attack

Posted by: Lostintx at November 21, 2014 11:30 AM (ZogDE)

209 Want to really ring his bell? Invite the Joint Chiefs of Staff to private interviews with Senate and House leadership and then don't tell anyone what you talked about. Let's see how paranoia mixes with narcissism. A potent cocktail I would imagine.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 11:30 AM (oDCMR)

210 198 196 You can whack my pee pee!
Posted by: Scary Hairy at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (HRo7B)

Bailiff!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:28 AM (DrWcr)



OMG Insomniac! I gave myself away? Cheech and Chong...Big Bamboo? Lol.....cue flashback in 5, 4, 3,......

Posted by: Scary Hairy at November 21, 2014 11:30 AM (HRo7B)

211 182
How about we take that 757mm and use it to build a fence on the border?

Posted by: Titanium at November 21, 2014 11:31 AM (VhPjL)

212 Maybe Boner could invite the President of Mexico as his guest and have him explain Mexico's immigration laws. You can't come in.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 11:31 AM (0FSuD)

213 Yikes! Off Scary hairy sock!

Posted by: Viv Savage at November 21, 2014 11:31 AM (HRo7B)

214 207 Hack his teleprompter and insert random Iowahawk tweets.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 11:30 AM (g1DWB)

------


Seriously, the best idea I've heard in years.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:31 AM (A98Xu)

215 It's like one commenter has been sleeping through class and the teacher just woke him up with a question.



Huh?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 11:31 AM (zESFM)

216 Invite him to do the State of the Union. Show up for the speech dressed for the golf course, complete with clubs. While he is speaking, practice putting in the aisle, practice your swing and check out each other's clubs.

Have drinks ready, preferably non-alcoholic, cheer and drink each time he says "I", "Me" or "My".

Near the end of his speech, start singing Louie, Louie.

Watch Liberal's heads explode.

Posted by: JB1000 at November 21, 2014 11:31 AM (16OL0)

217 >>>Lets stop funding that piece of shit station first.

Perfect example of something the feckless GOP can't even manage to do.

Posted by: Bigby's Kung Fu Grip at November 21, 2014 11:32 AM (3ZtZW)

218 212 Maybe Boner could invite the President of Mexico as his guest and have him explain Mexico's immigration laws. You can't come in.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 11:31 AM (0FSuD)

which is why Romneys family returned to America.

Posted by: avi at November 21, 2014 11:32 AM (viqX2)

219
I like the throne and robe idea. Just make sure it's wide enough to accomodate my royal ass.



Votar a Hillary 2016 ,, porque soy tan listo !


Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 21, 2014 11:32 AM (HSmrB)

220 212 Maybe Boner could invite the President of Mexico as his guest and have him explain Mexico's immigration laws. You can't come in.


Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 11:31 AM (0FSuD)


no shit Nip.

Posted by: Viv Savage at November 21, 2014 11:32 AM (HRo7B)

221 BTW, UKIP won the by-election mentioned in the sidebar in the (Red) Tory safe seat quite handily.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 21, 2014 11:32 AM (vHjbk)

222 if you like your illegal, you can keep your illegal

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:32 AM (zOTsN)

223 Obama puts the Republic out of its misery: http://tinyurl.com/nwfcn4d


Am I not merciful?

http://tinyurl.com/kquwuww

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at November 21, 2014 11:32 AM (BZAd3)

224 The Daily Signal @DailySignal
Tom Steyer, largest 2014 donor, says Americans worry big political donors get 'special privileges' dailysign.al/1xy9y6E

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:32 AM (ZPrif)

225 Sounds like this idea is a way to not let him be clear?

Won't anyone let him just eat his waffle?

Posted by: Chupacabras at November 21, 2014 11:33 AM (CGjum)

226 In the last thread someone asked about the cost of Thanksgiving dinner 2008 v 2014. Cost of Thanksgiving dinner 2014 for party of ten calculated by Farm Bureau $49 and change, up about $7 dollars from 2008. Thats about 16.67% increase. I don't do math often, so please leave the red marking pencil at home.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 21, 2014 11:33 AM (DaEsk)

227 Between 182 and 208, I'm loving the lines of thinking on display here.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 11:33 AM (xSCb6)

228 I wonder if Libs have any idea how serious Mexico is about immigration enforcement?

It's almost funny considering our own blunderment. Almost.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:33 AM (A98Xu)

229 Just make sure it's wide enough to accommodate my royal ass.
Oh no! The U.S. will have to buy gold from Putin to fabricate it!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 21, 2014 11:33 AM (vHjbk)

230 So it took 23 years for Jibriel to impart the Qu'ran to Mo.

The conclusion is inescapable - Mo must have been a window licker on the short bus.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 21, 2014 11:33 AM (YXkpM)

231 Gheys can be trusted when adopting children. They never molest minors, UNLESS they are big Obama donors.




http://tinyurl.com/q53ks8x

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 11:34 AM (0FSuD)

232 OK... quick... our base is mad at us...

What meaningless symbolic gesture can we do...

Hey, lets dust off that a Obamacare lawsuit....

and yeah, we won't invite him over for the State of the U....

because we must protect our phoney baloney jobs!!!!!

Posted by: GOPe at November 21, 2014 11:34 AM (f0pWu)

233 Them progressives do love them dead Republicans
What a bunch of assholes


Why did they complain about Bush going into Iraq?
Truman did it in Korea
Johnson did it in Viet Nam
Clinton did it in Kosovo

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 21, 2014 11:34 AM (W5DcG)

234 I hear Kenya would like to help with that plan.

Posted by: Al Bin On Board at November 21, 2014 11:34 AM (l1zOH)

235 I always see the Pygmy Potentate as a cartoon character. Mute him (except for one time, am almost a virgin) and, instead, watch for other things in boredom. If his mole is growing with each lie. His degree of pharmaceutical involvement. Whether his suit fits.The weight loss. Prancercizing. Pandering. Stuttering. Cluster.

I like alliterating "p" words and can string them as "Preznit Pretender Pygmy Potentate Prancercizing Poofery Pompous Poopie-Pants."

So, should a Rose Garden event occur today to re-emphasize the importance of the proclamation declaration obamination, here is my show (say this like Ed Sullivan you old morons):

Pygmy Potentate appears at the podium (more p words!) with the Presidential Seal:

http://tinyurl.com/lgjzdzh


Announces that all illegals welcome and taxpayers will happily pay for their piece of the rancid pie. Turns heartstrings (what are heartstrings? Is this covered in new health care law?) with stories of yanking babies from families while not seeing irony of late term abortions.

Meanwhile, there are some illegal immigrants he is not counting on in the garden, sort of like this, but imagine Killer Bees in a swarm fresh off the train from Central America:

http://tinyurl.com/nnz4or3

Soon, nothing is left but the flag pin on his lapel and the teleprompters, but he drones on and the hypnotic ssssszzzzz sounds erupting from him anger the bees further:

http://tinyurl.com/o6dvwsk

Le Roi Fecalith suddenly realizes, "Whoa, this is a problem!" and heads for the French doors. But they are all locked.

http://tinyurl.com/3bvrxxq

Valjar, the odd-looking alien from another planet, is watching and won't open the door, as, "Killer bees!"

Secret Service agents gamely shoot at a few bees, miss, and take cover, talking into their wrists and asking for protocols (there are none for swarming Mexican killer bees, sadly: no protocols to follow).

FLOTUS, sipping organic kumquat juice in her West Wing boudoir, while scratching her ample kardashian, hears the screams, looks casually out the window and wonders "Wut?" By the way she is wearing a silk designer (unknown designer) of silk cheetah spot design with an ermine collar (as she wants to wear ermine like the Queen of England, you chumps). She has not doffed her wighat of the day, and this is what the press sees while fleeing the Rose Garden:

http://tinyurl.com/mxnolam

Bo the Portuguese Water Dog watches from one French door and just wants to be let out to pee.

Kerry watches from a French door, because, French door! francaise! Pepe le Pew. He is also wanting to pee but, his thought bubble: "I have to urinate" but in French.

Joey Biden watches from another French door and wants some of the action! He opens the door but the bees want nothing of him (possibly due to the Botox fumes seeping from his forehead and out the plug holes of his scalp).

Finally, a quick-thinking bodyman, ireggie, lures the bees away with a lit bong, knowing they like the ganga and smoke and bees, etc. He thinks of everything!

The happy ending to the drama, our youthful Le Roi has swelled to the size of a blimp (well, for him, the size of Kate Moss on a bloated day). Epi pen to the rescue. All is well.Just let him finish his waffle. Carry on.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky haz no idea at November 21, 2014 11:34 AM (dMEBN)

236 Bullshit.
You aren't paying attention. He didn't mention the part about handing out work authorizations to millions -- because that doesn't poll well.
The exec orders will cover more than what he said in his speech. Pay attention.
Posted by: Costanza Defense

So if "millions" don't get work permits from this Executive Order, I'm sure you'll be back here to apologize for your bold and wrong prediction?

There were also people here saying Social Security cards were going to be given out. Is that next?

Can we at least debate about what actually is happening instead of fantasizing about worse case scenarios? Some conservatives really seem to get off on pretend misery.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:34 AM (Aow3m)

237 the union attack thing is good

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:35 AM (zOTsN)

238 The exec orders will cover more than what he said in his speech. Pay attention.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:26 AM


AND AMD as they write the "Rules" for his executive actions, you will see all sorts of shit that is new and exciting

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2014 11:35 AM (M0mf2)

239 Killing NPR's tax money should be easy.
The only people who will complain hate us anyway.

NPR would survive fine on donations and in the marketplace. It's the #1 prog radio in America, with a national following.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:35 AM (ZPrif)

240 Near the end of his speech, start singing Louie, Louie.


Watch Liberal's heads explode.

Posted by: JB1000 at November 21, 2014 11:31 AM

Conga line When the Saints Go Marchin In lead by Bill Cassidy.

Posted by: Lester at November 21, 2014 11:35 AM (2UPXV)

241 Grubergate! More! Democrat fires him.



http://tinyurl.com/na5cchb

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 11:35 AM (0FSuD)

242 How about eliminating the filibuster in the Senate until the executive order is rescinded? It is a Senate rule and can be eliminated the same way Dingy Harry eliminated it for appointments. Make El Presidente veto everything.

Posted by: motionview at November 21, 2014 11:35 AM (8TTQR)

243 I...weirdly like this idea. It will be portrayed as petty backstabbing by the media. But then again, what of it? He is a petty tyrant. He'll do the gosh shucks thing and say why can't we all get along by you doing everthing I want, but respond by requesting a written report detailing why he thinks his immigration plan is legal.

But first, of course, send him around 20 bills to veto. I don't care what they are, just move them through with speed.Get him on the record as vetoing lots of legislation. It will make his "congress won't act" schtick seem very tired.

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at November 21, 2014 11:35 AM (/EkKm)

244 Avi, everyone knows here that CBD is a red sea pedestrian

Some moron ignorantly called him an antisemite once and the morons have run with the joke

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 11:36 AM (Yc4/E)

245 Jimbo he did say in his speech that he was going to give out 5 million "work authorization permits". An Obamacard if you will

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:36 AM (zOTsN)

246 Blah blah blah whatever cakes.

I want to take this opportunity to welcome Washington Nearsider, Duly Appointed Keeper of the Guards, to Team Me.

The welcome package will be arriving shortly.

Posted by: alexthechick - Cookies are to the right, glitter to the left at November 21, 2014 11:36 AM (mf5HN)

247 Can we at least debate about what actually is happening instead of fantasizing about worse case scenarios? Some conservatives really seem to get off on pretend misery.
-

What's you damage, dipshit? The work authorizations aren't a secret part of the plan.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:36 AM (ZPrif)

248
OK..... some of you may know my oldest is an MP in the Missouri Nat Guard.

Got his orders to report to the armory today by 1300.

Hmmmm..... I wonder where in Missouri he might be going.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 11:36 AM (NaV4z)

249 Thanksgiving for ten is $49? My bird alone is close to that.

Posted by: Chupacabras at November 21, 2014 11:36 AM (XiVKO)

250 There's a better way: #Obamagration

http://contrapauli.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-proper-republican-response-to.html

Posted by: Keith at November 21, 2014 11:37 AM (9bC02)

251 State of the Union?


You want a good visual. The entire Republican side states and faces backward toward the president.



Can you say FUCK YOU much better?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 11:37 AM (0FSuD)

252 I rather like the British tradition here. The Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod has the door of the Commons slammed in his face. Not a bad precedent to adopt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cub19x2VX_I

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at November 21, 2014 11:37 AM (joAMD)

253 Some moron ignorantly called him an antisemite once and the morons have run with the joke
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 21, 2014 11:36 AM (Yc4/E)

----

..... almost as funneh as when Ace called Baldilocks racist....

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 11:38 AM (NaV4z)

254 This is an excellent idea, and I think it sends the right message. The best way to strike at Obama's ego (and make it hurt) is to turn your back to the petulant little child.

Posted by: NotCoach at November 21, 2014 11:38 AM (rsudF)

255 Jimbo, you're just spreading bullshit for some reason. I assume on purpose.

CNN
http://tinyurl.com/lqobtwb
Obama's orders will give papers and work authorization to up to 4 million undocumented parents of U.S. citizens.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:38 AM (ZPrif)

256 Another grim milestone.

According to WHO, 5,459 have died from Ebola.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 21, 2014 11:38 AM (YXkpM)

257 You boyz are slippin' - I got one by ya.

Posted by: Numb Nutz fo Preezy at November 21, 2014 11:38 AM (l1zOH)

258 Holder releases a video and the NG is mustering. So either today or this weekend.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 11:38 AM (2cS/G)

259
The welcome package will be arriving shortly.

Be VERY careful opening it.VERY CAREFUL.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 11:38 AM (sgrzZ)

260 Who do I have to pay off to gain a Canadian citizenship?

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 21, 2014 11:38 AM (XzRw1)

261 Proposed: The Style Guide shall henceforth be amended to to require BHO to be referred to as "Usurper In Chief". No title referring to any office he claims shall henceforth be used, due to his lack of legitimacy from this point forward.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 21, 2014 11:39 AM (zWC0k)

262 206 195 Well, at the UN it is the de facto assumption.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (Zu3d9)

As part of their anti-Semitic inner circle, you'd certainly know.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:27 AM (DrWcr)

unless I'm misreading your post, you should know that CBD is MOT
Posted by: avi at November 21, 2014 11:30 AM (viqX2)

It's a running inside joke.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:39 AM (DrWcr)

263 Avi, everyone knows here that CBD is a red sea pedestrian
Some moron ignorantly called him an antisemite once and the morons have run with the joke



It's a joke?
--Al Sharpton

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 11:39 AM (zESFM)

264 245 Jimbo he did say in his speech that he was going to give out 5 million "work authorization permits". An Obamacard if you will

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:36 AM (zOTsN)


He also mentioned something about streamlining Visas for Educated workers...

ie opening the door for MORE H1Bs...

As an unemployed IT guy, that perked up my ears.

Posted by: GOPe at November 21, 2014 11:39 AM (f0pWu)

265
papers and work authorizations

sounds pretty much like a work permit to me

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:39 AM (zOTsN)

266 What's you damage, dipshit? The work authorizations aren't a secret part of the plan.
Posted by: Costanza Defense

That's it's not going to happen.

Millions aren't going to get work permits.

What Obama wants and says in a speech and what Obama will end up getting are two different things.

I get tired of people thinking Obama is invincible and can't be stopped.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:39 AM (Aow3m)

267 Conga line When the Saints Go Marchin In lead by Bill Cassidy.


Posted by: Lester at November 21, 2014 11:35 AM (2UPXV)


Point of order: The required dance for "Saints" is not a conga line; it's a second-line. Ya gots to wiggle your butt, and wave an umbrella or handkerchief over your head.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 21, 2014 11:40 AM (7MWCL)

268
Posted by: andycanuck at November 21, 2014 11:33 AM (vHjbk)

____________________

Hey watch it Moron....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 21, 2014 11:40 AM (HSmrB)

269 A Republic, if you can keep it. I think what you are proposing is a great idea. Pity we have no one with the balls to carry it out.
What we need to do is elect the opposite of Zero in 2016, and have him rescind this abomination.

Posted by: ALH at November 21, 2014 11:40 AM (yAPdC)

270
red sea pedestrian

*steals this*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 11:40 AM (JtwS4)

271 245 Jimbo he did say in his speech that he was going to give out 5 million "work authorization permits". An Obamacard if you will

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:36 AM (zOTsN)


I hear they are going to fund Welcome Wagon to provide the 'baskets'...including an EBT card, driver license and one 'get out of jail free' card for the first DUI.

Posted by: Viv Savage at November 21, 2014 11:41 AM (HRo7B)

272 31 The thing is to do something "unprecedented" in answer to Obama's unprecedented power grab. Demonstrate that he is no longer considered legitimate, or worthy of the dignities accorded an American President. Drew's idea fits that bill.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 10:55 AM (2cS/G)



And the GOPe won't have the guts to do it.


Joe Wilson was right the first time... and then he apologized.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 11:41 AM (txvbW)

273 Thanksgiving for ten is $49? My bird alone is close to that.
Posted by: Chupacabras

You overspent. Local market has them @ .69/lb. 20 lb bird less than $14.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 21, 2014 11:41 AM (DaEsk)

274 Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 11:31 AM

Since they would all be gathered as a joint session, HRH Barack could be followed by a special appearance by Nigel Farage for a speak-off competition.

Posted by: Lester at November 21, 2014 11:41 AM (2UPXV)

275
Jimbo they placed an order for 33 million permits. You know that right? Currently he is only admitted to 5 million.

I think they will refuse to be fingerprinted, reveal income or pay taxes

I wonder if a great many will NOT apply

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:41 AM (zOTsN)

276 Okay #50 is a pretty sweet idea too.

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at November 21, 2014 11:41 AM (/EkKm)

277 I get tired of people thinking Obama is invincible and can't be stopped.
--

We are trying to stop him. And you called us mouth-breathers for trying to stop him from doing what he's announced he's going to do - hand out millions of work authorizations.

You're playing some troll game here, right? You just shifted the goal posts.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:41 AM (ZPrif)

278
because we must protect our phoney baloney jobs!!!!!
Posted by: GOPe at November 21, 2014 11:34 AM


Hey...I didn't hear a 'harrumph!' outta that guy!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 21, 2014 11:41 AM (knoK7)

279 SCOAMF shows the Congress no respect, and they return the favor. I like this idea. Who wants hear that jackass bray anyway?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 21, 2014 11:42 AM (S11Oq)

280 Funny would be to see in the House of Representatives Krewe of Zulu coconuts being tossed about as the President spleefs.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 21, 2014 11:42 AM (YXkpM)

281 Reggie Love should bite his dick.

Posted by: Don Lemon at November 21, 2014 11:42 AM (MNq6o)

282 red sea pedestrian

*steals this*
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 11:40 AM (JtwS4)

----

Yeah.... but through a pedantic reading of scripture.... technically so were the Egyptians.

They just got clobbered in the crosswalk.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 11:42 AM (NaV4z)

283 It would be helpful if Republicans made a Spanish-language announcement that no future President is bound by these illegal permits, that no employer is bound to respect them, and by signing up for the permits, people are registering themselves as liable for deportation.

I doubt they want to be helpful though.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 21, 2014 11:42 AM (pYEaj)

284 "70 They should have an ornate throne, scepter and royal robes set up for him."

I like the idea. Shutting him out of congress for the SOTU will just make the whole thing more about the presidency, and we already have enough of that.

But really how's about Congress doing what it is supposed to do?

Pass a border security bill. ONLY border security. Really close the border as it should be, fund it like we are funding the Ebola virus, 10 billion bucks or more, whatever it takes, right now.

Posted by: West at November 21, 2014 11:42 AM (1Rgee)

285 Another grim milestone.
According to WHO, 5,459 have died from Ebola.


39 deaths and 106 new cases since Wednesday.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 11:42 AM (zESFM)

286 Another grim milestone.

According to WHO, 5,459 have died from Ebola.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 21, 2014 11:38 AM (YXkpM)



That we know about.

I don't mean that in the CDC is lying about Ebola cases in America, I mean that in the WHO et al have no idea, and can have no idea, how many people have died of Ebola in remote areas.

My complete and total WAG is that there are at least another thousand cases that were unreported.

Posted by: alexthechick - Cookies are to the right, glitter to the left at November 21, 2014 11:42 AM (mf5HN)

287 Hey...I didn't hear a 'harrumph!' outta that guy!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 21, 2014 11:41 AM (knoK7)

You watch your ass!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:42 AM (DrWcr)

288 Jimbo you do know the State Dept has set aside funds to facilitate the travel of families in Central America, right? they are advertizing it

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:43 AM (zOTsN)

289 How do you run backround checks on foreign nationals? I mean in a way that is fiscally possible? What a crock. And taxes? Please give me a break


Free Shit Free Shit Free Shit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2014 11:43 AM (M0mf2)

290
It's a running inside joke.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:39 AM (DrWcr)

sorry

Posted by: avi at November 21, 2014 11:43 AM (viqX2)

291 and then he apologized.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 11:41 AM (txvbW)

----

I didn't know that----ridiculous.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:43 AM (A98Xu)

292
Thanksgiving for ten is $49? My bird alone is close to that.


Posted by: Chupacabras at November 21, 2014 11:36 AM (XiVKO)


What? Doesn't everyone serve Alpo for Thanksgiving dinner?

Posted by: USDA at November 21, 2014 11:43 AM (7MWCL)

293 #275 - now THAT is a strategy! Have both houses of congress anounce that the president's actions are obviously illegal, and congress will act to continue deportations, which will now be that much easier with everyone "out of the shadows".

If no one ever comes out of the shadows, then the net result of his announcement is nothing.

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at November 21, 2014 11:44 AM (/EkKm)

294 Reggie Love should bite his dick.


Posted by: Don Lemon at November 21, 2014 11:42 AM (MNq6o)


Shit, that's funny.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 21, 2014 11:44 AM (FMbng)

295 Lets see, Napoleon was exiled to Elba, so what are we doing to prepare Gitmo for Fredo?

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 11:44 AM (oDCMR)

296 What this really creates is an impossible situation for the Border Patrol.

They will have to run background checks on EVERYONE before they deport them, just in case they fall into this 'non deportable' category.

Oh... and Obama flat out LIED last night, when he said the borders were more secure than ever... Deportations are DOWN... and the Border Patrol folks tell us the border is in Chaos...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 21, 2014 11:44 AM (f0pWu)

297 Hey, at least software costs will go down, right?

Posted by: anon a mouse at November 21, 2014 11:44 AM (gXRIG)

298
What? Doesn't everyone serve Alpo for Thanksgiving dinner?

We went for Kibbles and Bits this year.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 11:44 AM (sgrzZ)

299 Yeah.... but through a pedantic reading of scripture.... technically so were the Egyptians.

They just got clobbered in the crosswalk.


Pro tip: ALWAYS look both ways......

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 11:45 AM (zESFM)

300 First Boehner should see if there's anything he can use as a rudimentary lathe.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 21, 2014 11:45 AM (evdj2)

301 296 What this really creates is an impossible situation for the Border Patrol.

---

We still have border patrol? Why?

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:45 AM (A98Xu)

302 275
Jimbo they placed an order for 33 million permits. You know that right? Currently he is only admitted to 5 million.

I think they will refuse to be fingerprinted, reveal income or pay taxes

I wonder if a great many will NOT apply
Posted by: ThunderB


You would have to be a complete retard to sign up for this sham.

No one is going to do it because it's just a politicians promise, and if it goes awry, you've come out of the shadows and the government knows who you are.

Obama can't even get people to sign up for free healthcare.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:45 AM (Aow3m)

303 If this actually happened, I think the MSNBC fainting couches might collapse from overuse.

Posted by: Hal at November 21, 2014 11:45 AM (hmPdt)

304
you must parse the JEFs word like a lawyer

he did not say deportations were up

he said CRIMINAL deportations were up

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:46 AM (zOTsN)

305
We still have border patrol? Why?

Babysitters.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 11:46 AM (sgrzZ)

306 127 119: If there was going to be a response, it should have been hitting the pavement by now.

Posted by: ejo at November 21, 2014 11:12 AM (rsGj7)



You elect a bunch of Neville Chamberlains and you will get a bunch of "Peace in our Time" bullshit.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 11:46 AM (txvbW)

307 We still have border patrol? Why?
Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:45 AM (A98Xu)

-----

Babysitters for all the minors.

Somebody's gotta pick up the dead illegal bodies in the desert.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 11:46 AM (NaV4z)

308 We still have border patrol? Why?

To direct them to the nearest Dimocrat so they can register to vote.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 21, 2014 11:46 AM (0HooB)

309 290
It's a running inside joke.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:39 AM (DrWcr)

sorry
Posted by: avi at November 21, 2014 11:43 AM (viqX2)

Don't sweat it. There's a ton of in-jokes here that you wouldn't know unless you spend an unhealthy amount of time hanging around the HQ. Which, of course, I would know nothing about...

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:46 AM (DrWcr)

310 Boehner and McConnell should sit there during SotU and respect the office of the Presidency and nod and smile and agree and compromise accordingly.


Just get sick of being disappointed. I don't think I will with that.

Posted by: RWC - picking fruit and making beds at November 21, 2014 11:47 AM (fWAjv)

311 When arrested the illegals will face the argument betweenwhat the laws actually sayvs. " the president made a speech." Which one wins in court?

So, congerss passes a law requiring deportations of any illegal identified, no exceptions for prosecutorial descrition. Feel free to come out of the shadows then...

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at November 21, 2014 11:47 AM (/EkKm)

312 We still have border patrol? Why?


Travel guides.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 11:47 AM (1vYi0)

313 I think a vast majority will opt for the status quo

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:47 AM (zOTsN)

314
Somebody's gotta pick up the dead illegal bodies in the desert.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 11:46 AM (NaV4z)
That's what buzzards are for.

Posted by: ALH at November 21, 2014 11:47 AM (yAPdC)

315 We still have border patrol? Why?

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:45 AM (A98Xu)

For the same reasons we have the TSA.

Posted by: GOPe at November 21, 2014 11:47 AM (XzRw1)

316 With only so much political capital to spend, let's not squander any of it on an (ultimately) empty gesture. Need to focus on what might actually make a difference.
Fun to think about, though.

Posted by: captain ralls at November 21, 2014 11:47 AM (8rnGM)

317 297 Hey, at least software costs will go down, right?

Posted by: anon a mouse at November 21, 2014 11:44 AM (gXRIG)

Yes, Facebook and Twatter will be much cheaper. Everything else is made in India.

Posted by: tooltip at November 21, 2014 11:47 AM (T1lV8)

318 We still have border patrol? Why?


Waterboys.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:47 AM (DrWcr)

319 What? Doesn't everyone serve Alpo for Thanksgiving dinner?

We went for Kibbles and Bits this year.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 11:44 AM (sgrzZ)

This year I'm serving Gravy Train.

Because gravy.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 21, 2014 11:47 AM (8hctH)

320 315 We still have border patrol? Why?

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:45 AM (A98Xu)

For the same reasons we have the TSA.
Posted by: GOPe at November 21, 2014 11:47 AM (XzRw1)


ACTING!

Posted by: Master Thespian at November 21, 2014 11:48 AM (vgIRn)

321 100% mortality for Ebola in Mali AlextheChick.
http://tinyurl.com/p9694x5

True mortality rate maybe as sketchy as the Spanish Influenza.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 21, 2014 11:48 AM (YXkpM)

322 he said CRIMINAL deportations were up



Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:46 AM (zOTsN)


which is also NOT true... there have been numerous press accounts of Prosecutors being ANGRY because the US Gov will no longer deport criminal aliens.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 21, 2014 11:48 AM (f0pWu)

323 No one is going to do it because it's just a politicians promise, and if it goes awry, you've come out of the shadows and the government knows who you are.

----

**raises hand**

Excuse me ....Mr President.... what happens to the illegals who DONT sign up for your EO program. What happens to them??

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 11:48 AM (NaV4z)

324 319 What? Doesn't everyone serve Alpo for Thanksgiving dinner?

We went for Kibbles and Bits this year.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 11:44 AM (sgrzZ)
This year I'm serving Gravy Train.

Because gravy.
Posted by: Country Singer at November 21, 2014 11:47 AM (8hctH)

Fcukin' one-percenters.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 11:48 AM (DrWcr)

325
BTW I dont believe criminal deportations are up

and if they are its only because we are attracking the hard core criminals now, not the "hard working fruit pickers and bed makers"

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:49 AM (zOTsN)

326 151 I think they should do everything possible to get under his skin until he goes full Queeg

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:17 AM (zOTsN)


This. I've said this from the beginning. Disrespect him until he has a diaper wetting meltdown.


Joe Wilson had the right idea, he just didn't go far enough and then he apologized for that little bit of lip he gave him.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 11:49 AM (txvbW)

327 I think it's adorable how some people still think that a majority of congressional Republicans actually WANT to respond to Obama in any meaningful way.

Posted by: holygoat at November 21, 2014 11:49 AM (eN2ZZ)

328 243
But first, of course, send him around 20 bills to veto. I don't care what they are, just move them through with speed.Get him on the record as vetoing lots of legislation. It will make his "congress won't act" schtick seem very tired.

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at November 21, 2014 11:35 AM (/EkKm)



I like that.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 11:49 AM (zoehZ)

329 Joe Wilson had the right idea, he just didn't go far enough and then he apologized for that little bit of lip he gave him.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 11:49 AM (txvbW)

and I'm pretty sure Boner was crying

Posted by: tooltip at November 21, 2014 11:50 AM (T1lV8)

330 164 ...so I guess that whole "respect for the office" thing is pretty much shot to hell

Posted by: tooltip at November 21, 2014 11:20 AM (T1lV



That started with Clinton, but Barack has pretty much finished it.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 11:50 AM (txvbW)

331 F*ck all the nice nice legalisms, when does the civil war start?

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 11:50 AM (oDCMR)

332 327 I think it's adorable how some people still think that a majority of congressional Republicans actually WANT to respond to Obama in any meaningful way.

Posted by: holygoat at November 21, 2014 11:49 AM (eN2ZZ)


Andddd.... we have a Winnah!!!!!

Please choose your Kewpie doll...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 21, 2014 11:50 AM (f0pWu)

333
Joe Wilson had the right idea, he just didn't go far enough and then he apologized for that little bit of lip he gave him.

So invite Obama, but use the British Question Time system. Let any critters with huevos get in his face and demand answers.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 11:50 AM (JtwS4)

334 Joe Wilson had the right idea,
Posted by: D-Lamp


Oh man, do I agree with this. He disrespects us at every turn. Enough with the 'civility' admonitions.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 11:51 AM (1vYi0)

335 Drew, this is really an excellent idea, and novel - which is rare (from anyone, not just you).

Tragically, I am fairly sure the GOP is not serious about either the institutional arrangements of the constitution, nor the substance of policy. But in a different country, with a different opposition, this would be a perfect ploy.

The examples pile up and memory fails to recall them all, but remember the Third World Degradation Moment #458 when Obama dissed the SCOTUS to their faces, at the SOTU? Astonishing (in the old, limp, pointless sense of "astonishing"). Now the SCOTUS has become farcical, but that wasn't his point, and the inappropriateness of it all was jaw-dropping.

Most importantly, in a different world (let's call it Bizarro USA), this ploy is EXACTLY the kind of thing that (obviously) breaks through all media distortion and containment - it cannot be hidden or adequately distorted to avoid lots of regular people going "huh, that seems like a big deal".

It's now clear that the Dem party has, against all odds, fallen below even the basic level envisaged by the founders for "factions" and all involved in the US system - that their jealousy of their own powers and prerogatives would help keep the constitution/institutional balance, thus protecting the citizenry from abuse of power. This was - again, astonishingly - demonstrated when the recess appointment thing happened.

In a world long, long ago (20 years), any such move by any president for any appointive office would have resulted in Majority/Minority leaders in front of cameras in the Capitol in 15 minutes, explaining how the WH would rescind the action or enjoy having no budget and no appointees ever confirmed again. Guaranteed. Robert Byrd would have sliced to pieces any president daring to this with his quite impressive historical eloquence - with his GOP counter-part looking on and saying "what he said!".

Seems like an esoteric point, but it's not, my fellow morons. The disappearance of even the human nature-circuit breakers in our system, as evidenced by the recess appointment fiasco, is a very big deal. And the rot in the Dem party has its analogue in the GOP, more related of course to getting their little piece as opposed to being part of one large soft-authoritarian juggernaut unconstrained, in effect, by the constitution or US traditions and values.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 11:51 AM (afQnV)

336 You elect a bunch of Neville Chamberlains and you will get a bunch of "Peace in our Time" bullshit.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 11:46 AM


And the Chamberlain crowd left a dandy mess for the Allies to clean up, too....

The "New Congress" (a/k/a Same as the Old Congress) will have a daunting task ahead of them as they hunt for salvageable pieces of the country.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 21, 2014 11:51 AM (PoKIA)

337
flood the zone

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:51 AM (zOTsN)

338 Lets stop funding that piece of shit station first.

-
We could also cancel all financial aid to Mexico.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 11:51 AM (XUKZU)

339 Babysitters for all the minors.
Somebody's gotta pick up the dead illegal bodies in the desert.


Why? Worms gotta eat. Same as buzzards.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 11:52 AM (zESFM)

340 "You would have to be a complete retard to sign up for this sham.




No one is going to do it because it's just a politicians promise,
and if it goes awry, you've come out of the shadows and the government
knows who you are.




Obama can't even get people to sign up for free healthcare.






Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:45 AM (Aow3m)"


forget the fact that the IRS has paid billions (with a B and and S) to illegals last year alone. Your point is predicated upon the idea that the Feds would begin deportations once these people came out of the shadows.
Of course, this is demonstrably false to anyone who can fog a mirror, but don't let that stop you from saying stupid shit and calling people here "mouthbreathers".
You may kindly STFU now.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 11:52 AM (xSCb6)

341 These idea, while good ones, are pipe dreams. Bitch and Boner won't do anything more than write harshly worded letters to the editor.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 11:52 AM (0LHZx)

342 To hell with this O'Fuckhead tool in the White House.

We gots some riotin' to do in Ferguson.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 21, 2014 11:52 AM (znT2j)

343
The office of the Presidency is unoccupied. We have a dictator now, and owe him no respect, for he has earned none.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 11:23 AM (oKE6c)



I don't think he was ever legitimate to begin with.


From book fraud to citizenship questions to media and financial manipulation of the masses to election fraud, I very much doubt the man ever had any legitimacy.




Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 11:53 AM (txvbW)

344 To finally get around to reading the post, I like this idea. It's petty and small and the perfect response.

Posted by: alexthechick - Cookies are to the right, glitter to the left at November 21, 2014 11:53 AM (mf5HN)

345 to the moron with the son in the MO National Guard, prayers for him

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:53 AM (zOTsN)

346 You are all TrueCon mouth-breathers for freaking out over some mythical, fantasy "work authorizations".
--
Uh, the plan for millions of work permits is in the official talking points memo handed out by the White House itself to the media.
--
Oh, yeah? Well, you are all TrueCon mouth-breathers for thinking it will ever happen. It's just, like, a plan, man.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:54 AM (ZPrif)

347
even if all the republicans got up and walked out

something

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 11:54 AM (zOTsN)

348 Hehehe, AtC said petty and small, hehehehe

Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 11:55 AM (sgrzZ)

349 >>>It's a running inside joke.

NO RUNNING IN HERE YOU KIDS

Posted by: Bigby's Kung Fu Grip at November 21, 2014 11:55 AM (3ZtZW)

350 I agree that disinviting the president for the speech would be a good symbolic gesture if disagreement and detatchment. It would be a statement that, as representatives of the people, congress refuses to embrace this president and his behavior.

Bbut you know exactly how it would be portrayed: black president not allowed into rich white man's house. Black president forced to sit in back of capitol, black president forced to back porch by white Republicans. Racist, racist, racist.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 11:56 AM (39g3+)

351 >>I think it's adorable how some people still think that a majority of congressional Republicans actually WANT to respond to Obama in any meaningful way.

Funny, I think its amusing that so many here think the dreaded establishment is hunky dory with Obama giving them a Cleveland Steamer. Because that's what he's done, taken a big shit right on them and dared them to do something about it.

There will be a response. It won't be as soon or as big as some want put they will strike back and probably will continue to do so for the next 2 years.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 11:56 AM (g1DWB)

352 Are we ever going to get a non tl;dr version of what the fuck he said?

Everybody was speculating in advance, and now we've jumped to what to do in response.

I have shit better to do than listen to Obama on Facebook - where's my Cliff's Notes of what's going down?

Posted by: 0302 at November 21, 2014 11:56 AM (N6eLE)

353 McConnell is a homosexual pederast who makes a living selling Chinese people opium and fake birth certificates. And it's all Bush 41's fault.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 11:56 AM (o0mD3)

354 The only appropriate response to such a naked power grab is removal from office. Anything short is simply an abdication of duty by the legislature. It's really pretty simple.

Posted by: 1001001 at November 21, 2014 11:56 AM (yLc78)

355 Demand he deliver the address in Spanish.

Posted by: Jean at November 21, 2014 11:56 AM (TETYm)

356 It's a TrueCon mouth-breather fantasy that Obama is just gonna release every Gitmo detainee he can! It will never happen. Never, ever.

DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 1m
Obama releases more Gitmo detainees after GOP says don't... http://drudge.tw/1yzeZR6

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:57 AM (ZPrif)

357 OK. Doing my willow imitation. It's about time for a new thread.

Will the Repubs revoke the EITC for any of the new second class citizens? That few of these families pay taxes is a lie. They all file so they can get that EITC cheese.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 21, 2014 11:57 AM (Knixy)

358 I think all in my bird was $41, but it's a freshly butchered local bird so I'm paying a bit of an asshole tax on it.

Posted by: Chupacabras at November 21, 2014 11:57 AM (XiVKO)

359 241 Grubergate! More! Democrat fires him.



http://tinyurl.com/na5cchb

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 11:35 AM (0FSuD)



You bring the glare of a spotlight on their vile machinations then you have to go.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 11:57 AM (txvbW)

360 I would love to see some overnight polling from his speech.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 21, 2014 11:57 AM (sgrzZ)

361 I hope something is written up today about the big UKIP victory in England. That's a major shift in politics going on over there and its in direct response to the present government's servile and cringing treatment of Islam as well as the overall corruption and leftist idiocy for decades.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 11:57 AM (39g3+)

362 Has anyone brought up the legality of the work permits.

OK let's say under prosecutorial discretion Obama has the right to not deport people. But how is giving someone a green card legal even in the most generous interpretation of prosecutorial discretion?

That's like a cop saying I am not going to give you a ticket for speeding and as a bonus I am going to buy you a new car as well.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 11:57 AM (0LHZx)

363 These idea, while good ones, are pipe dreams. Bitch and Boner won't do anything more than write harshly worded letters to the editor.


Yeah, dissing TFG doesn't even begin to reverse the harm he's inflicting upon the country, so it's really not worth considering.

What needs to happen is whatever it'll take to STOP HIM IMMEDIATELY. There is no question that TFG's actions are illegal, the little asshole even admitted it himself, then turned right around and did it, which in itself is reason enough to Baker Act his ass, but I digress.

There is no time to waste considering any course of action that doesn't lead to the end of TFG's lawless action.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 21, 2014 11:58 AM (0HooB)

364 Ding, ding, ding!

MATT DRUDGE @DRUDGE
Obama's 'Olé You Stay' just trial run on more aggressive actions coming. Tested how weak and afraid Republicans are..

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:58 AM (ZPrif)

365 It's petty and small and the perfect response.
Posted by: alexthechick


And yet, we won't even see that because unserious.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 11:58 AM (1vYi0)

366 yo !

I haz luv for amnesty

Posted by: Jeb Bush 2016 at November 21, 2014 11:58 AM (W6iIX)

367 In the last thread someone asked about the cost of Thanksgiving dinner 2008 v 2014. Cost of Thanksgiving dinner 2014 for party of ten calculated by Farm Bureau $49 and change, up about $7 dollars from 2008. Thats about 16.67% increase. I don't do math often, so please leave the red marking pencil at home.
Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 21, 2014 11:33 AM (DaEsk)

You know, I can sometimes appreciate the Farm Bureau's work in the farm community, but their role as mathematicians leaves a lot of room for improvement.
They also must not ever go to a grocery store. They must calculate based on what Farmer Brown gets for his bushel of wheat, and his live turkeys when he sells them to Wilshire Farms.

There is not a chance in hell that Thanksgiving Dinner for ten costs only $49. You can't buy the ingredients for a Thanksgiving dinner in a per person type of deal(here's .40 cents for my share of the dressing). One has to buy all the ingredients individually, in a small amount that is priced at ten times what a large restaurant or institution such as a hospital, dorm cafeteria, etc. would pay because they are buying it in huge quantities. A loaf of bread for the dressing alone is well over $2, add in a bunch of celery, an onion, a stick of butter, turkey or chicken broth, herbs, etc. You're going to have $6-$10 plus dollars for that one dish alone. Add in all the other dishes, plus the turkey, plus beverages, adult and otherwise. Don't forget dessert, even if you make it yourself, sugar, butter, pumpkin, chocolate, flour, lard, canned milk, etc. all add up very fast.

You can't make a Thanksgiving dinner for less than $100 for ten people, unless you serve sliced deli turkey and everyone get's half a sweet potato. And water.

The farm bureau must have been Grubered.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 21, 2014 11:58 AM (hjTr7)

368 Sadly, holygoat has it about right (GOP not really into dramatic opposition to this sort of thing, probably).

But an excellent idea, anyway.

Another good idea, more on the specific immigration lawlessness point. GOP should announce that not just are the administration initiatives lawless, but that anyone hoping to take advantage of them should be very wary. Because none of the actions will be allowed to stand, to be funded and implemented, Congress will undo/block each of them.

Yes - get in the faces of the country, and the illegals, and tell them they are inviting attention and deportation if they dare touch these lawless goodies laid out before them last night. Scare them. Raise the temperature. Threaten.

All in the cause of enforcing sensible laws, and upholding sensible policies, and opposing policies that damage the US, and incidentally further damage Mexico by allowing their pressure release valve to continue to inhibit needed change down there.

Of course this is inconceivable from the sub-mediocre midgets making up the GOP leadership and donor/rent-seeker class. But it would be a perfect congressional response to executive lawlessness that would have the effect of actually preventing real-world damage from occurring as a result of that lawlessness.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 11:59 AM (afQnV)

369 Drudge is right, this is the floor, not the ceiling.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 11:59 AM (ZPrif)

370
in b4 the Let It Burn vs Don't Say Let It Burn pissing contest!

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 21, 2014 11:59 AM (1i8ZT)

371 I just invited him to give it at the Alamo.

Posted by: Gov Perry at November 21, 2014 11:59 AM (B3WUC)

372 forget the fact that the IRS has paid billions (with a B and and S) to illegals last year alone. Your point is predicated upon the idea that the Feds would begin deportations once these people came out of the shadows.

Posted by: Burn the Witch

It's the fear of being identified that will keep them from doing it.

People are deported all the time. Not as much as I would like, but it does happen.

There's a reason why illegals drive so slow, they're afraid to get pulled over and identified as illegal.

Most will stay in the shadows because it's a better gamble.

Now you may STFU.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:59 AM (Aow3m)

373 Rino talking went out last night, remain calm, kiss Obama's ass, don't embarrass us, don't be passionate, etc.


Sniveling water-boys all.





Posted by: pam at November 21, 2014 11:59 AM (cgrL5)

374 >>>in a different world (let's call it Bizarro USA), this ploy is EXACTLY the kind of thing that (obviously) breaks through all media distortion and containment -

Thats why I'm not bothering to comment on the idea. All it would result in is "Look at the GOP being crybabies! nyahh nyahh crybabies!" They're already a laughingstock to begin with. You're supposed to build credibility upwards.

Posted by: Bigby's Kung Fu Grip at November 21, 2014 12:00 PM (3ZtZW)

375 There is not a chance in hell that Thanksgiving Dinner for ten costs
only $49. You can't buy the ingredients for a Thanksgiving dinner in a
per person type of deal(here's .40 cents for my share of the dressing).
One has to buy all the ingredients individually, in a small amount that
is priced at ten times what a large restaurant or institution such as a
hospital, dorm cafeteria, etc. would pay because they are buying it in
huge quantities.
---

This.


Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 12:00 PM (9BRsg)

376
..... almost as funneh as when Ace called Baldilocks racist....

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 11:38 AM (NaV4z)



Yeah, that ended up being pretty unfunny. I wish that whole exchange hadn't happened.


EOJ is also gone as a result of it.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:00 PM (txvbW)

377 Funny, I think its amusing that so many here think the dreaded establishment is hunky dory with Obama giving them a Cleveland Steamer. Because that's what he's done, taken a big shit right on them and dared them to do something about it.

There will be a response. It won't be as soon or as big as some want put they will strike back and probably will continue to do so for the next 2 years.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 11:56 AM (g1DWB)


________________

Dude, Boner and Bitch are in heave right now. They get their amnesty and get to pretend to be super upset about it. They will fundraise millions from Grubers on the right side.

If I didn't know any better I'd swear Bitch and Boner came up with the idea themselves.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 12:00 PM (0LHZx)

378
I think the work permit thingy requires legislation

plus he seems to be creating a new class of foreign resident, which should also require legislation

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 12:00 PM (zOTsN)

379 I think all in my bird was $41, but it's a freshly butchered local bird so I'm paying a bit of an asshole tax on it.



Never pay for more asshole than you need.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 12:01 PM (zESFM)

380 In addition, I very much doubt that these calculations factor in energy costs or housing costs for hosting said dinner.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 12:01 PM (9BRsg)

381 376
..... almost as funneh as when Ace called Baldilocks racist....

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 11:38 AM (NaV4z)



Yeah, that ended up being pretty unfunny. I wish that whole exchange hadn't happened.


EOJ is also gone as a result of it.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:00 PM (txvbW)

Yeah, that whole episode sucked ass, and was completely avoidable.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 12:01 PM (DrWcr)

382
"If it takes you more than 20 seconds to explain your position or make your argument, you've lost."

-- Shih Tzu

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 21, 2014 12:02 PM (1i8ZT)

383 think it's adorable how some people still think that a majority of congressional Republicans actually WANT to respond to Obama in any meaningful way.

I'm confident the Republican Party is horrified by what the President is doing, opposes obamacare, and wants to stop him.

They just want all that a lot less than they want to keep their phony baloney jobs, so that's their first instinct: how will this affect my reelection chances?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 12:02 PM (39g3+)

384 Who pays for their clothes? It's not US Taxpayers?

Shut off funding for all their parties. Vacations are one Air Force One plane, no more Mooch flying out earlier in day accompanied by 50 friends, etc. If she wants them, she pays their way ( wouldn't because they are cheap) or they pay own way, etc.

Posted by: Carol at November 21, 2014 12:02 PM (sj3Ax)

385 Can we just enjoy this day off?

Posted by: The Constitution at November 21, 2014 12:02 PM (pmzey)

386 MATT DRUDGE @DRUDGE
Obama's 'Ole You Stay' just trial run on more aggressive actions coming. Tested how weak and afraid Republicans are..

-
And he has already told us what is next. Bullshit global warming regs. and when he mentioned it he didn't cite the good and plenty clause or the fruits and vegetables clause. He said, "I don't think they can stop me."

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 12:03 PM (XUKZU)

387 Costanza/Drudge: yes, of course, probing action to test response.
Moo Moo: good point, perhaps excellent point, thunderb pointed this out earlier, perhaps some lawyers could pipe up and opine whether these "positive" actions would be one basis for a legalbar to these initiatives.
Prosecutorial discretion doesn't fly anyway - but a tick-list of positive, affirmative activities by the feds w/out any legal basis surely must be a specific, serious legal problem with this travesty.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 12:03 PM (afQnV)

388
There will be a response. It won't be as soon or as big as some want put they will strike back and probably will continue to do so for the next 2 years.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 11:56 AM (g1DWB)


Oh, you just know it, bucko.

You think I can't cry and drink for two years straight?

You just don't know the Orangeman!!!


Oh, and I can make totally impotent statements for the news. I can do that too.

Posted by: John Boehner, Teh Squeaker of teh Howse at November 21, 2014 12:03 PM (0cMkb)

389 291 and then he apologized.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 11:41 AM (txvbW)

----

I didn't know that----ridiculous.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:43 AM (A98Xu)



The entire media machine and the leadership of your own party make a pretty formidable club against anyone speaking an unpleasant truth.


Yeah, he apologized for saying "You Lie!"


At the time, Obama was talking about illegals *NOT* getting health care under that bill.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:03 PM (txvbW)

390 True irony: If you paste a moron's comment that includes a black diamond, you get a 500 error.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 12:04 PM (XUKZU)

391 What did he do last night that he already wasn't doing?

Seems to be his pattern, a pattern of trolling.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at November 21, 2014 12:04 PM (zauWW)

392 378
I think the work permit thingy requires legislation

plus he seems to be creating a new class of foreign resident, which should also require legislation
Posted by: ThunderB

Of course it does.

That's why this whole thing was really just a speech making campaign promises. It's not based in reality.

It requires a real response from Congress, but some people really want this to be something it's not.

I can't wait to see how many people step forward and gamble their lives and families lives on Obama's speech.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 12:04 PM (Aow3m)

393 Yeah, that whole episode sucked ass, and was completely avoidable.

I think Ace is very very touchy about some topics because he wants to at all costs avoid any easy or credible accusation of bigotry or racism on his site.

Remember, the dude is fighting a legal battle right now, I think he's a bit defensive and trying hard to not feed his opponents any ammo.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 12:04 PM (39g3+)

394 I'd like to hire one of his executive citizens to jack Golf Cart One and all of his clubs and park them in a water hazard.

Posted by: Fritz at November 21, 2014 12:04 PM (UzPAd)

395 in b4 the Let It Burn vs Don't Say Let It Burn pissing contest!

I've evolved. I'm past "Let It Burn" and have graduated to "Pass The Kerosene".

Posted by: Brother Cavil at November 21, 2014 12:05 PM (zWC0k)

396
I'll accept this as an exercise, because you know...GOP....

Anyhow, I like it, don't care what the mfm would say, and more importantly since El
Dictator is on the wrong side of public opinion, it would be no less than equal in the eyes of the public, IMO.

Alternatively, they could go "Joe Wilson" or not stand nor clap at the SOTU. As Alex la Chica says, small, petty and perfect for the bastard in chief.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2014 12:05 PM (1nB6R)

397 We still have border patrol? Why?
___________________

Baby-sitters, diaper-changers, food providers for all the illegals.

BTW, that crap about requiring "background checks" for the new illegal alien amnesty recipients is a total crock.

Obama said the same thing about the "dreamer" amnestees. Never happened. In fact, after Judicial Watch served an FOIA on DHS, they admitted that not only were they NOT doing background checks on dreamer amnesty applications, they were not even requiring that the dreamers submitted valid IDs before giving them their legalization papers!

In a world where we know that all sorts of terrorists want to get into the U.S. to kill as many Americans as possible, this is so insanely irresponsible and dangerous that it beggars imagination.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 21, 2014 12:05 PM (2ruKl)

398

Yeah, that whole episode sucked ass, and was completely avoidable.


The misunderstanding with EoJ was avoidable, but it was in a context.

There is occasional racism in here that is just rude and unfunny. (I called it sotto voce racism and Ace said "sometimes not so sotto". And then the racists got their undies in a bunch and the whole thing became a mess.

I don't want to re-start the racism fight, but I will point out that yesterday someone I don't know said "that's good because blacks love anal".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 12:05 PM (JtwS4)

399 I'm waiting to hear what Bernie Scattersalt has to say about the whole thing.

Posted by: fluffy at November 21, 2014 12:05 PM (Ua6T/)

400 Black president forced to sit in back of capitol,
black president forced to back porch by white Republicans. Racist,
racist, racist.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 11:56 AM


You know what? Fuck that noise.

I never have believed -- and never will -- that any special consideration should be shown to lawbreakers because they are black. I have never felt that I owe any living black person a single dime for what may have happened to their great-great grandparents.

I have always felt all men are created equal, and that this should apply to the bad, as well as the good, of society.

You break the law, you are a criminal. Color doesn't enter in to it.

Choom Boy is a criminal. Just because he spent his life being pampered for his skin tone does not give him any special rights and privileges. He has broken the law, and must pay for it.

I am so sick and tired of people worrying because the Mocha Messiah claims some special place in society because of the Black Experience. All evidence suggests he has no conception of what average black people experience.

I have no respect for leeches and whiners. President Historic First© is a unique combination of leech, whiner and traitor. That people like Boner, McConnell and the Corpulent "Captain" refuse to see this is their problem, not mine.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 21, 2014 12:05 PM (PoKIA)

401
Its a lame duck Congress now, they dont take over until January and should keep their own counsel until that time

I understand the impulse to want everything now

but they arent evensworn in yet. They shouldnt tip their hand. That does not mean I think they are going to fight tooth and nail, but its too early to complain that they arent

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 12:05 PM (zOTsN)

402 301 296 What this really creates is an impossible situation for the Border Patrol.

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We still have border patrol? Why?

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 11:45 AM (A98Xu)


There is an article over at "Free Republic" regarding a border patrol agent who is refusing to stop doing his job.


He says his honor is more important than his job.


I expect he will be fired shortly.


Pour encourager les autres.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:05 PM (txvbW)

403 ..... almost as funneh as when Ace called Baldilocks racist....

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 11:38 AM (NaV4z)



Yeah, that ended up being pretty unfunny. I wish that whole exchange hadn't happened.


EOJ is also gone as a result of it.

-
Yeah, a good example of why losing your temper is a bad thing.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 12:06 PM (XUKZU)

404 * stains pants *

Posted by: Poppin Fresh at November 21, 2014 12:06 PM (NFl+r)

405
Or one of the left's favorite things to do is turn their backs. Or walk out as soon as he starts.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2014 12:07 PM (1nB6R)

406 405
Or one of the left's favorite things to do is turn their backs. Or walk out as soon as he starts.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2014 12:07 PM (1nB6R)

They could give the District 12 defiance salute.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 12:07 PM (DrWcr)

407 Some morons' assessment of GOP leadership's serious-you-guys intentions with respect to blocking Obama's amnesty is about as sound as Michael Phelps' judgment in picking girlfriends. Just sayin'.

The only insult "leadership" feels over what Obama has done is that they wanted to be the ones to do it. It is patently obvious that they are not listening to working Americans. They are listening to their corporate donors.

What's to be done about it - I don't know. I foolishly thought that encouraging conservatives to vote the Democrats out of office and vote the Republicans in was a worthwhile endeavor. I now see that it was not.

Sadly, for me the Libertarian Party remains a joke. And I have yet to find a candidate, at ANY level including local, from that party or the Constitution Party for whom I can pull the lever. So I'm pretty boned at this stage and god-damned furious about it.


How about a nice game of chess?

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 12:07 PM (9BRsg)

408 Remember, the dude is fighting a legal battle right now, I...


I missed this. Any details to share or verboten to discuss?

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 12:08 PM (1vYi0)

409 It requires a real response from Congress, but some people really want this to be something it's not.
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That's what the fight is about. Obama says it doesn't. Congress says it does.

But Obama's not waiting for Congress.

You are determined to spread disinfo. Obama really is going to handout work permits if the Courts don't stop him. Which is why Congress and several States are going to the Courts.

You are combining ignorance and arrogance.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 12:08 PM (ZPrif)

410 331 F*ck all the nice nice legalisms, when does the civil war start?

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 21, 2014 11:50 AM (oDCMR)



We need to do "Irish Democracy" before we consider civil war.


We do not want civil war. We don't.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:08 PM (txvbW)

411 Nothing CAN stop Obama, and that's what I and others warned about in 2012: there's absolutely nothing holding him back from doing anything he wants. There are no consequences, there is no price to pay for him. He'll rip out executive order after order doing whatever he wants because he does not care about anything but himself and what he believes should be done.

This is the kind of man who believes so strongly in something that he's willing to do abjectly evil deeds to get there. He loves abortion so much he pushed for hospitals to create special rooms to let live born aborted babies starve agonizingly to death in. The cost for the party is meaningless to him. The cost to the country is meaningless to him, because he believes so totally in the cause its just a minor bump in the road. A few years of misery, a few years of bad economics, small price to pay for Social Justice©!!!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 12:08 PM (39g3+)

412
Excuse me ....Mr President.... what happens to the illegals who DONT sign up for your EO program. What happens to them??Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 11:48 AM (NaV4z) They will be deemed to have signed up, so they will get all the benefits AND be able to vote. Isn't that pretty much how most of this kind of stuff works now? Such as, the 2/3rds who didn't vote was effectively translated to be a mandate for Ebama.

Posted by: Havedash at November 21, 2014 12:08 PM (gvqyH)

413 inspiration from the Godfather.

Maybe it's time to tell Boehner and other weaklings that they are not war-time consiglieri's...because this is war. Time to go to the mattresses and find GOP types with balls to fight.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 21, 2014 12:08 PM (Gysa/)

414
You guys!

This is awful.

I'm just sitting here, right, like minding my own beeswax, right, and Bill Cosby is sticking his hand down my pants!

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 21, 2014 12:09 PM (1i8ZT)

415 361 I hope something is written up today about the big UKIP victory in England. That's a major shift in politics going on over there and its in direct response to the present government's servile and cringing treatment of Islam as well as the overall corruption and leftist idiocy for decades.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 11:57 AM (39g3+)


I keep saying we need a USIP.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 12:09 PM (zoehZ)

416 The Republican Party is so mad at this.

How mad are they?

So mad they just left town for vacation.

But yeah, they're totally going to stop the amnesty.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 12:09 PM (0LHZx)

417 Yes, I thought the price given for a TG turkey dinner was incredibly low too. As if you're going to out to a dinner and play$ $4.30 per person?!! Com'on.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 21, 2014 12:09 PM (RZlSA)

418 It's the fear of being identified that will keep them from doing it.



People are deported all the time. Not as much as I would like, but it does happen.



There's a reason why illegals drive so slow, they're afraid to get pulled over and identified as illegal.



Most will stay in the shadows because it's a better gamble.



Now you may STFU.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:59 AM (Aow3m)


Yeah, screw the empirical data which renders your argument comical (published data on lack of deportations of illegals, 30+ million of them living here, the number of DUIs illegals commit, $8 billion in gov't bennies in 2012 alone), either show me some data which backs up your argument against the reams of it which supports ours, or let the chicken know he's gonna have a long day.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 12:09 PM (xSCb6)

419
Jimbo you think he will not violate the constitution

I think he will, and has

the only question is will any one stop him

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 12:10 PM (zOTsN)

420
Oh man, do I agree with this. He disrespects us at every turn. Enough with the 'civility' admonitions.

Posted by: dogfish at November 21, 2014 11:51 AM (1vYi0)



I have always believed that people should have spat on and cursed Ted Kennedy whenever they encountered him in Washington.


That people are insistent on being civil with scum such as Kennedy or Obama has always made me feel as if they don't grasp the seriousness of the problem.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:10 PM (txvbW)

421 Hey I love coming in state to visit Congress!

Sure, I understand they think I'm Bill Cosby and they're my date from last night, but that just makes it all the sweeter for me.

Posted by: Channeling Emperor Barry I at November 21, 2014 12:10 PM (6um35)

422
You can't make a Thanksgiving dinner for less than $100 for ten people
Posted by: Jen the original

20 lb frozen store brand turkey at .57 a lb = 11.40
10 lb potatoes at .48 lb = 4.80
Stuffing 4 boxes of Stove Top = 5
Vegigie for cookies and sides = 10
Pies x 2 at 5 each = 10
Rolls x 2 = 4

Still some $ left out out of 49. A 100 would be luxury.

Mind you, that's shopping the sales and getting some items this last week when they were on extra special sale.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2014 12:10 PM (kdS6q)

423 >>Dude, Boner and Bitch are in heave right now. They get their amnesty and get to pretend to be super upset about it. They will fundraise millions from Grubers on the right side.

>>If I didn't know any better I'd swear Bitch and Boner came up with the idea themselves.

So you're theory is that the two or them are weak dumbasses that somehow used a Jedi mind trick to get Obama to do their bidding? This is the same kind of stuff I heard from the left about Bush, he was a fucking moron and an evil genius all at once.

Neither Boehner nor McConnell would be my first choice for anything. They have the combined charisma of a doorknob. But they also have to balance the diverse demands of their constituencies, their donors and their respective representatives while threading the needle of pushing back against a lawless president who is covered by the msm. I think it is a lot more difficult a job than just screaming or typing on the internet.

If nothing else, they don't like Obama shitting on them and Congress. He's been lying to Americans and to them for years. They are politicians so by definition they have enormous egos and they realize that the ball is in their court and the vast majority of Republicans are pissed off. I think they are also smart enough to realize that they have the opportunity to capitalize on this with lots of voters who will be impacted by this bullshit, white working class Dems and Independents, some black voters who are paying attention enough to realize that Obama just screwed them, other ethnic groups who have played by the rules, etc..

Obama is doing shit no president in our history has ever done. And they know that if they don't respond now in a smart way he will do more. Have a little patience and see what they actually do when they are in a position to do it. The world isn't going to end before January.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 12:10 PM (g1DWB)

424
Bill Cosby just came outta nowheres and Boom, finger in my butt!

This guy is ubiquitous!

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 21, 2014 12:10 PM (1i8ZT)

425 OT: A few days ago we were speculating on who time's Mon of the Year would be. I don't think any body got it right. At WZ, they're saying it will be the Ferguson SJWs.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 12:10 PM (XUKZU)

426 JackStraw, your and my clairvoyance are exactly the same - zero - but I wouldn't bet $5 on your prediction re GOP response. In any case, "paying for it" is not the point. Specific, lawless, insanely stupid (as any amnesty is) policy needs to be specifically, lawfully blocked and undone. Not a question of bombing his cities because he bombed yours, not retaliation. Effective action.

Unless the GOP makes it clear, soon, that regular order in appropriations is back, and that they will specifically undo the most important disasters of recent years with the power of $$$$, not much point noodling over the possibilities. Only that course signals a serious approach to this ongoing crisis.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 12:11 PM (afQnV)

427 417 Yes, I thought the price given for a TG turkey dinner was incredibly low too. As if you're going to out to a dinner and play$ $4.30 per person?!! Com'on.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 21, 2014 12:09 PM (RZlSA)

_____________

I got reservations for a swanky restaurant TG dinner. $40 for adults, $24 for kids.

But it's worth it not to do 4 hours of dishes afterwards

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 12:11 PM (0LHZx)

428
"Vegigie for cookies"

That should have been "veggies for cooking".

Dear God!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2014 12:11 PM (kdS6q)

429 "I have always felt all men are created equal, and that this should apply to the bad, as well as the good, of society.

You break the law, you are a criminal. Color doesn't enter in to it."

You know that, I know that, and I believe a significant portion of the US believes and knows that. But being accused of racism makes politicians run away screaming like little girls. Its the worst possible thing a politician or establishment person can be called. Its a career destroyer, its like being denounced as being counterrevolutionary in Soviet Russia.

"I missed this. Any details to share or verboten to discuss?"

I am pretty sure he mentioned a lawsuit he's fighting a few weeks back. I don't know details but suspect its part of that whack job that was suing everyone for defaming someone.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 12:11 PM (39g3+)

430 Its a lame duck Congress now, they dont take over until January and should keep their own counsel until that time

I understand the impulse to want everything now

but they arent evensworn in yet. They shouldnt tip their hand. That
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I love you, Thunderb, but they already tipped their hand.

They took "shutdown" (which is not a shutdown but whatever) off the table and have their long knives out for Cruz and, even more humorously, Bachmann who is about as relevant as I am. The woman has days left in office, for farks sake.

That is why I have given up on them.

It's not that they don't have a Great Plan out of the gate.

It's not that they try to make political calculations over polling to arrive at "pragmatic" solutions.

It's that I am their enemy. Cruz is their enemy. Anyone who tries to take a principled stand is their enemy.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 12:12 PM (9BRsg)

431 There's a reason why illegals drive so slow, they're afraid to get pulled over and identified as illegal.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:59 AM (Aow3m)

I thought it was because they can't see through the visquene windows on the 1984 Impala.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 21, 2014 12:12 PM (hjTr7)

432 361
I hope something is written up today about the big UKIP victory in
England. That's a major shift in politics going on over there and its
in direct response to the present government's servile and cringing
treatment of Islam as well as the overall corruption and leftist idiocy
for decades.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 11:57 AM (39g3+)

So your saying there is a chance England might pull up before hitting the ground?

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 21, 2014 12:12 PM (o2Jt2)

433 This is madness.

Do you really want to make the most powerful man in the universe (who already hates you) angry?

Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 12:12 PM (wZ3EP)

434 You know what I can't figure? Global warming is a world wide tragedy and Obama is forcing people out of the shadows.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 12:12 PM (XUKZU)

435 Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 12:05 PM (JtwS4)

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Except what EoJ said wasn't racist.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:12 PM (A98Xu)

436 So he has to provide a sotu briefing/speech. When he's done, everyone gets to ask him questions. Communication is a two way dead end road.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 21, 2014 12:12 PM (G/Ckq)

437 Most importantly, in a different world (let's call it Bizarro USA), this ploy is EXACTLY the kind of thing that (obviously) breaks through all media distortion and containment - it cannot be hidden or adequately distorted to avoid lots of regular people going "huh, that seems like a big deal".


Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 11:51 AM (afQnV)



At the basic and fundamental level, all disputes are really a pissing contest.


Monkeys screaming mocking and threatening each other is really what all our reptile brains crave.


This reasoned debate stuff? We are so devolved out of that.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:13 PM (txvbW)

438 Who said anything about Chuck Norris?

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 12:13 PM (2cS/G)

439 381 376
..... almost as funneh as when Ace called Baldilocks racist....


What?

I was wondering why I haven;t seen her around....

Well, that was fucking stoopid.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at November 21, 2014 12:14 PM (auf5H)

440 I got reservations for a swanky restaurant TG dinner. $40 for adults, $24 for kids.

But it's worth it not to do 4 hours of dishes afterwards
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Isn't that what women are for?
* ducks *

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 21, 2014 12:14 PM (R5UOB)

441 341 These idea, while good ones, are pipe dreams. Bitch and Boner won't do anything more than write harshly worded letters to the editor.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 11:52 AM (0LHZx)



I think you are mistaken. "Gently chiding" is much more probable.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:14 PM (txvbW)

442 You are determined to spread disinfo. Obama really is going to handout work permits if the Courts don't stop him. Which is why Congress and several States are going to the Courts.

You are combining ignorance and arrogance.
Posted by: Costanza Defense

Youre the one spreading ignorance.

Let's come back and see who's right, let's see these "millions" of work permits that Obama will have handed out. Care to make a wager on that happening Bucky?

It's not going to happen, what Obama promises and what happens are two different things. He also promised ObamaCare would lower our insurance rates.

Quit spreading the lie that this anything but the same bullshit status quo.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 12:14 PM (Aow3m)

443 "I'm just sitting here, right, like minding my own beeswax, right, and Bill Cosby is sticking his hand down my pants!"

I can just see the left right now agonizing over the Bill Cosby story.

On one hand: stereotype of the black man menacing and raping white girls - must be opposed.
On the other hand: Bill Cosby was Cliff Huxtable which destroyed our carefully constructed helpless negro in the hood vision of black America and he keeps tearing down urban black youth behavior.

Which do you choose?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 12:14 PM (39g3+)

444
prolly right, YNot but in my dream world them saying that was a ruse. "We weren't going to shut things down and then you EO'd five million illegals. You made us do it, you dictator!"

my fantasy life is more comforting

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 12:14 PM (zOTsN)

445 Deprive him the balcony shots. No guests or anyone in the balcony. Lock and guard the doors. No blowing of kisses and all the other BS. Plus it will save one hapless American from being used as a prop.

Laugh out loud and hoot when he lies. Start slapping the knees at every howler. Give him 20 minutes and pull the plug on the cameras.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 21, 2014 12:14 PM (lJLML)

446 Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 12:10 PM (g1DWB)

____________

This is Bitch/Boner's calculus:

What is best for me? The best thing for me is an angry base and a happy Chamber of Commerce. Amnesty via executive action is perfect. The base is angry, the chamber is cumming all over itself.

The angry base will then be sent email after email begging for a $25 donation to help stop the amnesty.

I never said Bitch/Boner were stupid. They're not. They're smart, which is why they're doing exactly what they're doing.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 12:15 PM (0LHZx)

447
Quit spreading the lie that this anything but the same bullshit status quo.
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You are an idiot. You are a liar. You clearly are just a troll at this point. GFY.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 12:16 PM (ZPrif)

448 Two more years.

uffff

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:16 PM (A98Xu)

449 This amnesty scam may be less that we assumed it would be, but its still the latest in "a long train or abuses and usurpations." I have a couple of questions.

If this, and all that came before it, is not impeachable, what the hell is?

If this is not the hill to die on, what is? Are there no hills worth fighting for at all?

Somebody, somebody please, put me some f'ing knowledge.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 21, 2014 12:16 PM (iIzG7)

450 Breaking: Obama pardons Bill Cosby for doing to women what Obama is doing to America.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 12:16 PM (wZ3EP)

451
Bill Cosby has touched us all in his own special way..

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 21, 2014 12:16 PM (1i8ZT)

452 I am so sick and tired of people worrying because the Mocha Messiah claims some special place in society because of the Black Experience. All evidence suggests he has no conception of what average black people experience.


Posted by: MrScribbler at November 21, 2014 12:05 PM (PoKIA)


Pretty much nuts on there. He started as muslim and now lives like a rich white dude.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 21, 2014 12:16 PM (FMbng)

453 "So your saying there is a chance England might pull up before hitting the ground?"

I hope so. From the bottom of my heart.

And guys, there isn't necessarily a conflict between how Illegals are very cautious to stay under the radar and how Illegals are very bold about taking advantage of the system. They can be both, because they're being so carefully aided and abetted by social services workers and activists.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 12:16 PM (39g3+)

454 Chamber of Commerce needs to burn for this as well

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 21, 2014 12:17 PM (o2Jt2)

455 Mmmm...Puddy Pops

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 21, 2014 12:17 PM (2cS/G)

456 Not that I'm a big Romney fan...

But invite Bush and Romney to stand on either side:

Bush keeps interrupting with: "Miss me yet?"

Romney keeps interrupting with: "I told you so"

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 21, 2014 12:17 PM (R5UOB)

457
Let's come back and see who's right, let's see these "millions" of work permits that Obama will have handed out. Care to make a wager on that happening Bucky?

It's not going to happen, what Obama promises and what happens are two different things. He also promised ObamaCare would lower our insurance rates.

Quit spreading the lie that this anything but the same bullshit status quo.
Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 12:14 PM (Aow3m)

____________

So you're saying Obama just made a speech on national TV sayig Yo Amigos, you're getting a green card, only to do what, give another speech in 3 months saying, "on second thought, can't do it guys, so sorry".

Legal or not, 5 million (or more likely 8 million) people are getting green cards.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 12:17 PM (0LHZx)

458 There's a reason why illegals drive so slow, they're afraid to get pulled over and identified as illegal.



Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:59 AM (Aow3m)

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Umm, a lot of it is because they're half in the bag. DUIs in that segment are insanely high.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 12:17 PM (9BRsg)

459 OT: Things you don't see everyday.

http://tinyurl.com/pty3aly

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 12:18 PM (XUKZU)

460 Except what EoJ said wasn't racist.
Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:12 PM (A98Xu)

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Yeah... neither was Baldilocks.

For the record .... Baldilocks is not a Caucasion.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 12:18 PM (NaV4z)

461 I would add..."The written Report shall be footnoted and sourced, all words used must be primary definitions per The American Heritage Dictionary". For "The first black editor of the Harvard Law Review" meeting the basic standards college students regularly are reacquired to meet should be....uhmmm....nearly impossible.

Posted by: Birddog at November 21, 2014 12:18 PM (lBE3v)

462 436 So he has to provide a sotu briefing/speech. When he's done, everyone gets to ask him questions. Communication is a two way dead end road.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 21, 2014 12:12 PM (G/Ckq)



Question Time, a la the British Parliament. I love it.

Their politicians are so much better at expressing themselves because the inarticulate ones cannot survive Question Time, where the Opposition serves up the nastiest questions it can generate, and does so in a sardonic fashion that often generates laughter. The skeweree gets no warning of what the questions will be, and has to try to recover the situation on the fly - no teleprompter, no nothing.

Think Trey Gowdy putting questions to Obongo; Obongo would cry.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:18 PM (oKE6c)

463 "So you're theory is that the two or them are weak dumbasses that somehow
used a Jedi mind trick to get Obama to do their bidding? This is the
same kind of stuff I heard from the left about Bush, he was a fucking
moron and an evil genius all at once."



I guess you think no one ever notices your strawmen.


No, the point that has been made numerous times is that the GOPe and the Donks want the same thing - Amnesty. Not that anyone is playing Nth dimensional chess and falling for trickery.


Please plug in the appropriate variables and recompute your argument.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 21, 2014 12:18 PM (xSCb6)

464 It's not going to happen, what Obama promises and what happens are two different things. He also promised ObamaCare would lower our insurance rates.

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That's why you're wrong. Whatever they do always, always has consequences that are much worse.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:18 PM (A98Xu)

465 Isn't that what women are for?
* ducks *
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 21, 2014 12:14 PM (R5UOB)

________________

I give them a break on the holidays. But Friday that kitchen better be spotless.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 12:18 PM (0LHZx)

466 No no no. Republicans should be at the SOTU and stand and bow every time O delivers an applause line.

Cuz he'll outlaw Republicans if they give him any grief.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 12:18 PM (wZ3EP)

467 Two more years.

uffff
Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:16 PM (A98Xu)

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Im encouraged you think we will make it that long.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 12:18 PM (NaV4z)

468 "So your saying there is a chance England might pull up before hitting the ground?"


Right now I'm more worried about US.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:19 PM (oKE6c)

469 "Deprive him the balcony shots. No guests or anyone in the balcony. Lock and guard the doors. No blowing of kisses and all the other BS. Plus it will save one hapless American from being used as a prop."

This is actually a great idea, and much more likely to be done by congress. Nobody can accuse them of racism by making it a closed session. No guests, no buddies, nobody in the balcony, no audience. Just congress and the president. No props for him to hold up, no sob story with some Hispanic woman and her 7 kids, just him making a speech in front of a very angry crowd.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 12:19 PM (39g3+)

470 Yeah... neither was Baldilocks.

For the record .... Baldilocks is not a Caucasion.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 12:18 PM (NaV4z)

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Agree.


And I didn't know that at the time and still didn't care. Didn't see it as racist.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:19 PM (A98Xu)

471 >>They took "shutdown" (which is not a shutdown but whatever)

I don't think so. I think what they took off the table was the ability of the left and the msm to scream constantly that Obama is acting because all the Republicans want to do is shut down the government. They made it clear that they don't want to shut down the government so if it happens they can blame Obama.

They can start forcing Obama to either negotiate with them or position him as the one who is trying to shut the government down if they handle it properly.

Here's a spending bill Mr. Obama, please sign it.

No, veto.

Ok, let's negotiate.

.......

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 12:20 PM (g1DWB)

472 Being libertarian means you can justify anything you like.

@VolokhC Why Obama's immigration action doesn't violate the rule of law
http://tinyurl.com/ob7qblm

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 21, 2014 12:20 PM (ABQuZ)

473 my fantasy life is more comforting

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 12:14 PM
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I love you. I would love to come for a visit to your fantasy world.

I'm honestly worried about my health, that's how upsetting this all is.

I don't see how our country or my family survives the next two years of an unchecked Obama.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 12:20 PM (9BRsg)

474 OT: A few days ago we were speculating on who time's Mon of the Year would be.



Bob Marley. Ya mon.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 12:20 PM (zESFM)

475 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2014 12:10 PM (kdS6q)<<<<<<

2 pies? Just 2? Are you some kind of sadist or something? Maybe you and Mooch O can sit over there and talk about calories. Evil, pure evil. Just 2 pies? Incredible.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2014 12:20 PM (1nB6R)

476 JackStraw, a pre-requisite for any substantial action by the GOP is a believable public diplomacy offensive that explains why these things are wrong and helps reshape the framework of discussion.

All your points about the GOP leadershipare true, but on this point probably not relevant. It is very likely they *agree* with amnesty in all its forms - there is much evidence for this. And none against it that I'm aware of.

So no, we cannot just wait. If the GOP wants to change the national course on something, it has to first at least attempt to shape popular understanding and the terms of debate. Or, in this case, echo or acknowledge the pre-existing national consensus against amnesty (probably one of the largest and firmest, judging by how solid it is despite being abandonedby both political parties).

So yeah, if we heard prominent GOPers not just mouthing vague platitudes about lawless executive action, but specifically addressing why the collapse of immigration enforcement must end, then there's hope.

But your (apparent) concept of a leadership stuck in the middle trying to disintermediatediverse interests is outdated, at least on illegal immigration. Their instincts and sympathies are very clear, and utterly detached from not just their "base" but most of the country. Illegal immigration is the starkest example of the historically unusual if not strictly unprecedented divide between national leadership andpopular will. It's not business as usual - quite different.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 12:20 PM (afQnV)

477 Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 11:56 AM (o0mD3)


Still pissed off about people pointing out how Bush 41 screwed the pooch and Dramatically empowered the Democrat left?


If I could have reached through the radio and bitch slapped him at the time, I would have. Now the rest of us are having to pay for it because he couldn't do that one simple thing of not giving the Democrats that broken promise they desperately wanted.

And about the tax money, a shit they did not give. All they wanted was that broken promise.


That broken promise has made them wealthy and powerful. It fucked the rest of us.





Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:20 PM (txvbW)

478 461 I would add..."The written Report shall be footnoted and sourced, all words used must be primary definitions per The American Heritage Dictionary". For "The first black editor of the Harvard Law Review" meeting the basic standards college students regularly are reacquired to meet should be....uhmmm....nearly impossible.
Posted by: Birddog at November 21, 2014 12:18 PM (lBE3v)



It'd be the first thing Obongo ever actually wrote. If he wrote this, that is.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:20 PM (oKE6c)

479 474 OT: A few days ago we were speculating on who time's Man of the Year would be.


I'm guessing Darren Wilson is an ... uh ... dark horse candidate, as it were.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:21 PM (oKE6c)

480 Oh my. Brilliant. So cool. So expressive. So Constitutional. But, raaaaaacciiiiissssstttt!!!

Posted by: eureka! at November 21, 2014 12:22 PM (Zbknu)

481 "Question Time, a la the British Parliament. I love it."

I agree, particularly as President Obama is terrible off the cuff, and the more nervous and angry he gets, the worse he gets.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 12:22 PM (39g3+)

482 We do not want civil war. We don't.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:08 PM (txvbW)

It's the elephant in the room, and it's been sitting there awhile. The two visions of the country, authoritarian socialist superstate v. constitutional Republic, are irreconciliable, in my view, and I don't see those fundamental differences being worked out by sane men and women sitting peaceably across each other at a table, holding calm, measureddiscussions.

And what we 'want' has nothing to do with anything.

Posted by: troyriser at November 21, 2014 12:22 PM (DU9hE)

483 Ferguson clock ticking down.

Paul Wagner @Fox5Wagner
D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier has ordered mandatory activation of Civil Disturbance Units Sunday + Monday for "possible demonstrations".

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 12:22 PM (ZPrif)

484 OT: And I thought it was because it makes it easier to fap.

http://tinyurl.com/kucbq9e

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 12:22 PM (XUKZU)

485 No no no. Republicans should be at the SOTU and stand and bow every time O delivers an applause line.

Cuz he'll outlaw Republicans if they give him any grief.



At that point, there would be nothing left stopping us. From anything.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 12:22 PM (zESFM)

486 I can't wait to see how many people step forward and gamble their lives and families lives on Obama's speech.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 12:04 PM (Aow3m)

Which people ?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 21, 2014 12:22 PM (R8hU8)

487 Rush is playing Boehner saying silly stuff about losing trust in Obama.

The obvious comment is, "so what?"

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:22 PM (A98Xu)

488 it would be worth it just for the media hysteria.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at November 21, 2014 12:23 PM (HEa5q)

489 A three hour old thread with almost 500 comments. This place need new management.

Posted by: The Progs at November 21, 2014 12:23 PM (iQIUe)

490 And guys, there isn't necessarily a conflict between how Illegals are very cautious to stay under the radar and how Illegals are very bold about taking advantage of the system. They can be both, because they're being so carefully aided and abetted by social services workers and activists.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 12:16 PM (39g3+)

This.
It parallels the article linked in the last thread about the ghetto in Vancouver that is being enlarged and supported by the all social services agencies who keep funding and supporting the drug addicts....

Posted by: Jen the original at November 21, 2014 12:23 PM (hjTr7)

491 Ferguson clock ticking down.

Paul Wagner @Fox5Wagner
D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier has ordered mandatory activation of Civil Disturbance Units Sunday + Monday for "possible demonstrations".
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 12:22 PM (ZPrif)

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My oldest reports to the armory today.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 12:23 PM (NaV4z)

492 And about the tax money, a shit they did not give. All they wanted was that broken promise.

But that broken promise was not even that big a deal. It was blown gargantuanly out of proportion and exploited by Perot to help Clinton into the Oval Office.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 21, 2014 12:24 PM (39g3+)

493 It's the elephant in the room, and it's been sitting there awhile. The two visions of the country, authoritarian socialist superstate v. constitutional Republic, are irreconciliable, in my view, and I don't see those fundamental differences being worked out by sane men and women sitting peaceably across each other at a table, holding calm, measureddiscussions.

And what we 'want' has nothing to do with anything.

Posted by: troyriser at November 21, 2014 12:22 PM (DU9hE)


Totally this.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 21, 2014 12:24 PM (FMbng)

494
Thats why I'm not bothering to comment on the idea. All it would result in is "Look at the GOP being crybabies! nyahh nyahh crybabies!" They're already a laughingstock to begin with. You're supposed to build credibility upwards.

Posted by: Bigby's Kung Fu Grip at November 21, 2014 12:00 PM (3ZtZW)



At the base level, disputes are really a game of "the dozens."

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:24 PM (txvbW)

495 Of course they did.

Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman
MSNBC Hires White House Staffer as New Lead Spokeswoman http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-hires-white-house-staffer-as-new-lead-spokeswoman/

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 12:24 PM (ZPrif)

496 482 We do not want civil war. We don't.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:08 PM (txvbW)
It's the elephant in the room, and it's been sitting there awhile. The two visions of the country, authoritarian socialist superstate v. constitutional Republic, are irreconciliable, in my view, and I don't see those fundamental differences being worked out by sane men and women sitting peaceably across each other at a table, holding calm, measureddiscussions.
And what we 'want' has nothing to do with anything.
Posted by: troyriser at November 21, 2014 12:22 PM (DU9hE)



I say again: we are living in Spain, ca. 1935.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:24 PM (oKE6c)

497 OT: A few days ago we were speculating on who time's Mon of the Year would be.



Bob Marley. Ya mon.

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I was waited on at a convenience store yesterday by a whigger with dreadlocks down to his waist. And he was pushing 40 years old.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 12:24 PM (XUKZU)

498 Special guest is Gruber sitting next to podium with a t-shirt saying "I'm with Stupid" pointing to Obama.

Posted by: Common sense at November 21, 2014 12:25 PM (R5UOB)

499 When you have as reasoned an individual as Dennis Prager say there is too great a divide between the left and right you kind of wonder what the outcomes will be.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:25 PM (A98Xu)

500 The two visions of the country, authoritarian socialist superstate v. constitutional Republic, are irreconciliable, in my view, and I don't see those fundamental differences being worked out by sane men and women sitting peaceably across each other at a table, holding calm, measureddiscussions.



Not when one side lies, cheats and steals at every breath.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 12:25 PM (zESFM)

501 [Think Trey Gowdy putting questions to Obongo; Obongo would cry.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:18 PM (oKE6c)


If O-blame-O had to actually sit through a serious, televised grilling; I do believe he would have an epic meltdown.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at November 21, 2014 12:25 PM (auf5H)

502 But everything is OK as long as we can snark on Obama, right?

Or is that not a good idea anymore either?

*continues digging hidey-hole*

Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 12:26 PM (wZ3EP)

503 Right idea, wrong execution. Invite him, the Speaker advises that Obama is no longer listening to the American people so why should they listen to him, then adjourn.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at November 21, 2014 12:26 PM (06RUW)

504 I Have a friend who is a DC Cop and another 2 that are firefighters/EMS. They are all either working or on call starting tonight. The Cop says that the department knows the GJ verdict is coming down and that most major police departments are getting the same info from the DOJ. Should be an interesting weekend.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at November 21, 2014 12:26 PM (32Ze2)

505 Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 12:20 PM (afQnV)

simple concept.... Rule of Law...

All we really need to do is enforce the already EXSITING laws which are on the books... and Immigration will fix itself.

Go AFTER then on fraud, and identity theft...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 21, 2014 12:26 PM (f0pWu)

506 Ferguson clock ticking down.

Paul Wagner @Fox5Wagner
D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier has ordered mandatory activation of Civil Disturbance Units Sunday + Monday for "possible demonstrations".
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 12:22 PM (ZPrif)

So , no announcement today...they would wait to announce it on a Saturday? Or they believe that suddenly the rioters are going to head to DC? I'm lost on this one.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 21, 2014 12:26 PM (hjTr7)

507 "If it takes you more than 20 seconds to explain your position or make your argument, you've lost."

-- Shih Tzu

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 21, 2014 12:02 PM (1i8ZT)



Ain't that the fucking truth. Attention spans are pretty short, especially if you are dumber.


Newton is a lot easier to understand than Einstein, but Einstein happens to be the one who is correct.


Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:26 PM (txvbW)

508 Cutting off Obama at his vanity really is the best way to bait him into doing something stupid. The SOTU is a good first.

Had the government shutdown just been cutting off the fuel for Air Force One and nothing else, Obama would been screaming like a child.

Congress should teak him with small, trivial things like that, he will show his true colors.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 12:27 PM (Aow3m)

509 Special guest is Gruber sitting next to podium with a t-shirt saying "I'm with Stupid" pointing to Obama.

Posted by: Common sense at November 21, 2014 12:25 PM (R5UOB)

Thread winner!

Posted by: Jen the original at November 21, 2014 12:27 PM (hjTr7)

510 Later folks.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:27 PM (txvbW)

511 If O-blame-O had to actually sit through a serious, televised grilling; I do believe he would have an epic meltdown.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at November 21, 2014 12:25 PM (auf5H)

Yep. No warning of the questions. No crib sheet, no telemprompter, no fat pig of a "moderator" to lift him by his sagging shorts. No ref to rabbit punch his opponent. Just mano a mano.
Put it on PPV.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:28 PM (oKE6c)

512 But that broken promise was not even that big a deal.

I was freshly married with two young kids and a big mortgage. My budget was stretched to the max but I took on the mortgage because I believed tax rates would remain stable.

It was a very big deal to me. Perot got my vote.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 12:28 PM (zxQ4h)

513 So , no announcement today...they would wait to
announce it on a Saturday? Or they believe that suddenly the rioters are
going to head to DC? I'm lost on this one.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 21, 2014 12:26 PM (hjTr7)

Best would be to just drop it with no announcement...less time for the rent-a-mob to deploy.

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 21, 2014 12:28 PM (o2Jt2)

514 fixerupper if you missed it I got your boy in my prayers. My kid is leaving DC for home for break today and I have to say I am relieved he is

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 12:28 PM (zOTsN)

515
You guys!

This is awful.

I'm just sitting here, right, like minding my own beeswax, right, and Bill Cosby is sticking his hand down my pants!

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 21, 2014 12:09 PM (1i8ZT)

________________________

HEY-HEY-HEY!!!!

Posted by: Fat Albert at November 21, 2014 12:29 PM (HSmrB)

516 Newton is a lot easier to understand than Einstein, but Einstein happens to be the one who is correct.







Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:26 PM (txvbW)

Or is now thought to be, barring the outcome of future experiments that might call both into question.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:29 PM (oKE6c)

517 I Have a friend who is a DC Cop and another 2 that are firefighters/EMS. They are all either working or on call starting tonight. The Cop says that the department knows the GJ verdict is coming down and that most major police departments are getting the same info from the DOJ. Should be an interesting weekend.
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at November 21, 2014 12:26 PM (32Ze2)

Yeah, the DOJ will have staffers out inciting the riots.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 21, 2014 12:29 PM (hjTr7)

518
Thx Thundr.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 12:30 PM (NaV4z)

519 >>All your points about the GOP leadershipare true, but on this point probably not relevant. It is very likely they *agree* with amnesty in all its forms - there is much evidence for this. And none against it that I'm aware of.

Well there we differ. The evidence happened a couple weeks ago.

As both McConnell and Boehner have said multiple times in the last few days, the American people have spoken. And we did. Loudly. And we are continuing to speak even more loudly and our numbers will grow. Yes, they have gotten a lot of pressure from their donor class but contra to what I have heard here for the last couple years, they did not vote for amnesty and in fact Boehner refused to even take up the Senate bill. So there's some evidence for you. Big donors are important. So are millions of voters. And all the political donations in the world won't help if you piss off and demoralize your voters. Ask Mark Uterus.

They pretty much have no choice at this point but to push back hard, maybe harder than they would have in absence of Obama's lawlessness but who cares? I care about the outcome and not the personalities.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 12:30 PM (g1DWB)

520 They probably have to time the announcement around the protesters work schedules......

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at November 21, 2014 12:31 PM (32Ze2)

521 I say we should pretend to be Obama and call Pizza Hit and order a super supreme to be delivered to the Oval Office.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 12:31 PM (XUKZU)

522 Wasn't everyone sure the Zimmerman verdict would lead to rioting as well?

I have a feeling there will be a bunch of hyperventilation on MSNBC about how racist the world is. But I don't see riots happening.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 12:31 PM (0LHZx)

523 thank your boy for me fixer too. this has to be the toughest kind of thing

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 12:31 PM (zOTsN)

524 492 And about the tax money, a shit they did not give. All they wanted was that broken promise.

But that broken promise was not even that big a deal. It was blown gargantuanly out of proportion and exploited by Perot to help Clinton into the Oval Office.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor

Reagrdless of that broken promise, Perot was the main reason Clinton got in the White House. I think the tax increase was a small issue. You have a billionaire throwing big money on a center-right platform for a 3rd party candidacy , it's going to help Democrats.

Bush should have simply not agreed to debate with Perot, only Clinton.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 12:31 PM (Aow3m)

525 Cutting off Obama at his vanity really is the best way to bait him into doing something stupid. The SOTU is a good first...Congress should teak him with small, trivial things like that, he will show his true colors.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 12:27 PM


What the fuck do you think he's been doing for the last six years if not "stupid" stuff?

Choom Boy needs no prodding to act like a pampered, whiny child. He has no record of being anything else.

He should be "tweaked" with handcuffs and a cold, uncomfortable cell. That's what you do with felons.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 21, 2014 12:31 PM (PoKIA)

526 Hey, this fascist tryannical dictatorship stuff is not so bad, really.

I haven't noticed anything changing around here today.

So it's all cool and everything, right? I mean the constitution was pretty darn old, maybe it's for the better.

Yes. Yes, this is a better arrangement, comrades . . . more just.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 21, 2014 12:32 PM (wI3r1)

527
2 pies? Just 2?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk




10 people with 2 pies at six pieces each, 12 servings.

You can have one of the extra slices, Gov. Christie.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2014 12:32 PM (kdS6q)

528 *burps*

I...uh.....I just lost trust in Obama.

I lost trust, man.

I mean, I mean, I mean I trusted him, man.

I trusted him!!!!!!

Bu-, buuuu*Burp*uut I don't trust him now.

We.....

*shakes self awake*

Uh, what?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I trusted Obama.

Like a brother.

I....

*throws up*

*shits pants*

Posted by: John Boehner, Teh Squeaker of teh Howse at November 21, 2014 12:32 PM (0cMkb)

529 Jackstraw,

I hope nothing more than you being 100% correct and me being 100% wrong about this. But I just don't see anything in any of Bitch/Boner's history to suggest they'll stand up to Obama.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 12:32 PM (0LHZx)

530 thank your boy for me fixer too. this has to be the toughest kind of thing
Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 12:31 PM (zOTsN)

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yeah.... his unit did convoy escort in the box.

He said he'd rather do that than go to Ferguson.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 12:33 PM (NaV4z)

531
Moo Moo the people "organizing" Ferguson are the same people who rioted in Seattle at the G8

rioting is their thing. They are professional rioters

Posted by: ThunderB at November 21, 2014 12:33 PM (zOTsN)

532 *burps*

I...uh.....I just lost trust in Obama.

I lost trust, man.

I mean, I mean, I mean I trusted him, man.

I trusted him!!!!!!

Bu-, buuuu*Burp*uut I don't trust him now.

We.....

*shakes self awake*

Uh, what?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I trusted Obama.

Like a brother.

I....

*throws up*

*shits pants*


Posted by: John Boehner, Teh Squeaker of teh Howse
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I gave him the best years of my life!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 12:34 PM (XUKZU)

533 512 But that broken promise was not even that big a deal.

I was freshly married with two young kids and a big mortgage. My budget was stretched to the max but I took on the mortgage because I believed tax rates would remain stable.

It was a very big deal to me. Perot got my vote.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron

Perot wanted a huge tax hike to balance the budget, and Clinton raised taxes through the roof.

Not a great strategy, and it didn't really "teach a lesson" considering Bush's son was our next Republican President.

Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 12:34 PM (Aow3m)

534 This proposal brought to you by the famous Neener Neener Clause of the United States Constitution (1787-2014).

Posted by: Sharkman at November 21, 2014 12:34 PM (SdKt4)

535 Yeah...I dont get the 'This time Boehner and Turtle will show em' lest we forget about juan 'reach around' and the other clowns that will be scrambling for gangbangs of 8

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 21, 2014 12:34 PM (o2Jt2)

536 It is a good idea and I don't see any suggestion that this is the only thing that should be done.

Do everything to minimize Obama. Show him to be the small, petty person that he is. Make him work for the next two years. If he wants to do the State of the Union speech somewhere else, I'm sure they'll be even less coverage. But yeah, make it clear he is not welcome in Congress.

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 21, 2014 12:35 PM (5HBd1)

537
474 OT: A few days ago we were speculating on who time's Mon of the Year would be.



My name, Jose Jiminez.

Posted by: Havedash at November 21, 2014 12:35 PM (gvqyH)

538 Common Sense,
Thanks for laugh!

Posted by: Carol at November 21, 2014 12:35 PM (sj3Ax)

539 The only interesting part of any Obama SOTU is watching the panning shots of the audience to see which of our superannuated betters nodded off during it.

A SOTU at the White House would have the information value, and droning sound, of a test pattern.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 21, 2014 12:35 PM (XO6WW)

540


Pasha:
The private life is dead - for a man with any manhood.

Zhivago:
I saw some of your 'manhood' on the way at a place called Minsk.

Pasha:
They were selling horses to the Whites.

Zhivago:
It seems you've burnt the wrong village.

Pasha:
They always say that, and what does it matter? A village betrays us, a village is burned. The point's made.

Zhivago:
Your point - their village.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 21, 2014 12:37 PM (wI3r1)

541 What will possibly happen is Bitch/Boner will codify Obama's amnesty into law with a Gangster Bill.

Obama gets his amnesty, the Republicans get to play Mr. Bipartisanship, the Chamber of Commerce keeping cumming all over itself.

Everyone wins. Well everyone except the American people of course.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 12:37 PM (0LHZx)

542 OT: A few days ago we were speculating on who time's Mon of the Year would be.



My name, Jose Jiminez.



Jose Jalapeno. On a steek.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 12:37 PM (zESFM)

543 I hope nothing more than you being 100% correct and me being 100% wrong about this. But I just don't see anything in any of Bitch/Boner's history to suggest they'll stand up to Obama.



Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 12:32 PM (0LHZx)


Really? those 2 dudes are great at 9th delusional chess.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 21, 2014 12:37 PM (FMbng)

544 Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 12:28 PM (zxQ4h)

You do know that Perot wanted to raise taxes in his plan right?

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 12:37 PM (o0mD3)

545
Holy crap, who only eats 1 slice of pie? The anti-Christ lives at your house LDC.

Plus what about Friday pie, huh? Not to mention Saturday and Sunday. Evil.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2014 12:37 PM (1nB6R)

546 GOP's position is for a greatly expanded "guest worker" program, even now when so many Americans are struggling. Given the anchor baby situation, and the GOP's continued reference to their *concern* for (immigrant) families (not working Americans' families), that is effectively amnesty.

Or it is, as someone alluded to yesterday, the formation of a permanent underclass of guest-workers that will never integrate into this society.

If we're going to go that route, I'd like to discuss it with my fellow Americans.

I am not a fan. I vastly prefer legal immigration with all the responsibilities and privileges of citizenship. But I'm not some cheap S.O.B. who wants to take advantage of a permanent underclass. That would be the Chamber of Commerce. And they can kiss my ass.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 12:37 PM (9BRsg)

547
@508
thats my thinking too.i unlike most here think that justice roberts is in a position to slap obama down over the next two years and if that happens then there is no telling what stupid shit obama might do.

Posted by: kj at November 21, 2014 12:38 PM (lKyWE)

548 Please plug in the appropriate variables
Pleased don't tell Jimbo to plug anything in!

Posted by: the chicken at November 21, 2014 12:38 PM (vHjbk)

549
What do we want?

New thread!

When do we want it?

Now!

Posted by: The Progs at November 21, 2014 12:38 PM (iQIUe)

550 It's days like these that cause me to remember this quote from ace, from late 2008 I think it was:

"We should all just enjoy ourselves with whatever little time we have left."

Prescient.

I didn't realize it was all over until Obama fired the president of General Motors. That seems like ancient history now.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 12:38 PM (wZ3EP)

551 I think @50 is neat, BUT it will not work. The President in NOT a member of congress, he is a guest. He MUST be escorted OUT of the building after his invitation expires, aka, his speech is over.


Now, once The Emperor has left, then a speech from the well would be in order. I believer it would have to be by a Representative, aka a member of the House.



I nominate Trey Goady.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 12:39 PM (0FSuD)

552
At this point if Jose Fencejumper isn't Time man of the year, I'll be surprised.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2014 12:39 PM (1nB6R)

553 Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 12:37 PM (9BRsg)

_____________

With or without amnesty, we are well on our way to a South American style society with a few ultra rich people, 20% middle/upper middle class and 70-80% peasants.

Look to CA's Central Valley for a preview.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 12:39 PM (0LHZx)

554 Hey, I just commented. New thread guaranteed in 10, 9, 8.......

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 12:40 PM (0FSuD)

555 Some % of Repub officials clearly are happy to have Obama do Exec Amnesty and take all the blame and rip the bandaid off.

And some % of Repubs clearly are opposed to that.

Most Repub leadership are pro-Amnesty -- as evidenced by the fact that every Repub nominee for President since 2000 has been pro-Amnesty. As are many (most?) of the potential 2016 candidates.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 12:40 PM (ZPrif)

556
Nah, let him do it, but only if he wears his Chinese pajamas.

Posted by: wth at November 21, 2014 12:40 PM (wAQA5)

557 Best cold weather dispersing method: water cannons

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 21, 2014 12:40 PM (R5UOB)

558 Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 21, 2014 12:37 PM (wI3r1)


I knew you were channeling Dr. Zhivago in your previous comment ("More just.") but didn't respond in time.

Well done.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:40 PM (oKE6c)

559
New Thread!
Fight Back!
New Thread!
Fight Back!
New Thread!
Fight Back! Fight Back! Fight Back!

SPIT!

Posted by: The Progs at November 21, 2014 12:40 PM (iQIUe)

560 I like the idea, Drew.

I also think the GOP Congress should respond with this:

http://tinyurl.com/o42pnnl


"I farht in your general direction. Your mother is a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries."


I saw this on Michelle O'Bama's Mirror blog and some of the thoughts there on his "speech" are good as well: no promise of SS numbers, etc. Like Manuel on Fawlty Towers, he "knows nothing" of what he blabbers on about. It was his brief and shining moment as Le Roi.

I am not going down easily, my flying monkeys. This is a nothing burger. Patience. Hold yer ground.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky haz no idea at November 21, 2014 12:41 PM (dMEBN)

561 >>Most Repub leadership are pro-Amnesty -- as evidenced by the fact that every Repub nominee for President since 2000 has been pro-Amnesty. As are many (most?) of the potential 2016 candidates.

Wrong. Romney was not.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 12:41 PM (g1DWB)

562 Someone go throw some cold water on the ewok, lunch is over, and so is the nap.



Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 12:41 PM (0FSuD)

563 thats my thinking too.i unlike most here think that justice roberts is in a position to slap obama down over the next two years




Nice illegally adopted Irish kids you got there, Justice Roberts. Be a shame if anything happened......

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 12:42 PM (zESFM)

564 America is becoming a Latin country and will, most likely, have more Latin-style politics. Which means socialism and strong men.

We also have an asian over-class which other Latin countries don't have. Brazil has a tiny Japanese minority, but it's very small.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 12:42 PM (ZPrif)

565 You do know that Perot wanted to raise taxes in his plan right?

Didn't matter to me, I wanted my pound of flesh. There is a certain contingent of voters that is neither country club republican or limousine liberal. As this last election showed -- hurt them in the wallet and they get even.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 12:43 PM (zxQ4h)

566 Suddenly I'm seeing Boehner and McConnell cast in the role of "Bluto" Blutarsky, and we're all Flounder.

"...Flounder, you can't spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes!
You fucked up... you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it!"

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 21, 2014 12:43 PM (iIzG7)

567 Peru also has a Japanese population.

As for this idea, it will never happen because rayciss.

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2014 12:43 PM (oFCZn)

568 Remember the good ol' days when Ace was hilariously making love to Rubio's garbage?

I long for those naive, innocent times.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:44 PM (A98Xu)

569 You know what else would be fun? Fart machines all over the House. Farts all during his speech. They make a remote control one.



http://tinyurl.com/kzhvnqj

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 12:44 PM (0FSuD)

570 Nice idea.

And even if Obama is forced to back down, there should be no votes on any of his nominees until he's out of office.

And defund all of the liberals favorite areas - EPA and the Department of Education to start.

Fund the IRS at 35% levels unless emails are produced.

And as someone else once mentioned, when a Republican takes office, eliminate the union for government employees.


Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 21, 2014 12:44 PM (AC0lD)

571
Are there celebrations in the streets yet with many thousands waving Mexican flags, cruiser cars jumping and bump-bump stereos in full boom mode?

Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 12:45 PM (wZ3EP)

572 Romney supports Comprehensive Immigration Reform -- which is Amnesty.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 12:45 PM (ZPrif)

573 @569

WORKS UP TO 100 FT. Put one under the speaker's podium.


Looks like Obama is farting! This is good.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 12:45 PM (0FSuD)

574 OT: A few days ago we were speculating on who time's Mon of the Year would be.
My name, Jose Jiminez.
Posted by: Havedash at November 21, 2014 12:35 PM


Put my vote down for "The Undocumented American."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 21, 2014 12:45 PM (knoK7)

575 Late to the thread, but....I like this idea.
I'd prefer it be something in which Obama doesn't have much time to recover (where there can be no prepared remarks for him to fall back on), though.
So... how about instead, invite him, introduce him, and then have every Republican get up and walk out.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 21, 2014 12:45 PM (ABcz/)

576 It's a good day to be an ewok.

Posted by: Hans Gruber at November 21, 2014 12:45 PM (Dwehj)

577
Nice illegally adopted Irish kids you got there, Justice Roberts. Be a shame if anything happened......

that would backfire horribly on obama.he would be ripping kids out of their parents arms would he not?

Posted by: kj at November 21, 2014 12:46 PM (lKyWE)

578 573 @569

WORKS UP TO 100 FT. Put one under the speaker's podium.


Looks like Obama is farting! This is good.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 12:45 PM (0FSuD)

-----

The fart idea made me LOL. Thanks.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:46 PM (A98Xu)

579 I stand by my offer of last evening to start writing a prepping thread for Sundays if Ace wants me to.



Since it appears the Burning Times are coming, and all.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 21, 2014 12:46 PM (8hctH)

580
"The president had said before that he's not king and he's not an emperor," Boehner says. "But he's sure acting like one."
..............
Nah, he's acting like a spoiled childtaunting the kid in a wheelchair to fight.

Posted by: wth at November 21, 2014 12:46 PM (wAQA5)

581 510 Later folks.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2014 12:27 PM (txvbW)

Thread winner

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 12:46 PM (o0mD3)

582
One.... Two..... Whatchagonna do
Day walkers are people too....

Three .... four ..... shut the door.
New threads come back for more.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 12:46 PM (NaV4z)

583 576 It's a good day to be an ewok.
Posted by: Hans Gruber at November 21, 2014 12:45 PM (Dwehj)


It's a better day to be drunk.

Posted by: Zombie Dean Martin at November 21, 2014 12:47 PM (auf5H)

584 >>Romney supports Comprehensive Immigration Reform -- which is Amnesty.

No, you're factually wrong. He was by far the most aggressive in saying throughout his campaign that he did not support any kind of special path to legalization and insisted that he would make it so unfriendly for illegals that a good number of them would self-deport.

You're just wrong on this one.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 12:47 PM (g1DWB)

585 Put my vote down for "The Undocumented American."
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 21, 2014 12:45 PM (knoK7)

----


Yep.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:47 PM (A98Xu)

586 Best cold weather dispersing method: water cannons
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 21, 2014 12:40 PM (R5UOB)


--------------------------------------------------


A number of sprinklers on every corner, positioned so they can't be disconnected by rioters. Yeah. And the nice thing about it is that it would even have to be that cold for it to work.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 12:47 PM (jkeQO)

587 >>Put my vote down for "The Undocumented American.

Yup, I was leaning toward the young, black male, but after last night's show it's definitely going to be DREAMERS or immigrants in general.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 21, 2014 12:47 PM (ABcz/)

588 Peru also has a Japanese population.


Peruvia, on the other hand is noted for its large population of ex-pat Lichtensteiners.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 21, 2014 12:47 PM (knoK7)

589 that would backfire horribly on obama.he would be ripping kids out of their parents arms would he not?



Like the MSM would report it?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 12:47 PM (zESFM)

590 2 pies? Just 2?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

10 people with 2 pies at six pieces each, 12 servings.

You can have one of the extra slices, Gov. Christie.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2014 12:32 PM (kdS6q)

Carol, you must not have grown up in an Irish American household like I did. The Irish assume at every meal that they will never have any food again, so my mother made not just huge quantities of food, but numerous dishes as well.

Two pies would have barely been legal. One must have at least three different pies, and in case you didn't like pies, some kind of cake or cookie bars/fudge.
My mother's relish trays took an hour to assemble, LOL! Thanksgiving included not just the bird, but also mashed potatoes, candied sweet potatoes, creamed lima beans, dressing( like two huge pans of it) rolls, gravy, cranberry sauce or relish, wine, beer, a selection of sodas, milk for the younger set, and probably something I don't remember because of the food coma this meal induced.

I have followed suit because it was considered sacriligious to do anything diffferent, ha! In honor of my mother, my family continues this overloaded table and it's numerous tupperware bowls of leftovers....

You can see why I was aghast at the Farm Bureau's numbers.....

Posted by: Jen the original at November 21, 2014 12:48 PM (hjTr7)

591 Also -- being in manufacturing at the time both Clinton and Bush were indistinguishable about opening up trade and killing American manufacturing. Perot knew what was going to happen -- and it did.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 12:48 PM (zxQ4h)

592 Here's Romney on CNN right before the 2014 vote vowing that a vote for Republicans is a vote for Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

His pitch is - A Republican Senate can pass a bill when Harry Reid couldn't.

http://tinyurl.com/nsy6k93

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 12:48 PM (ZPrif)

593 Nah, he's acting like a spoiled childtaunting the kid in a wheelchair to fight.

Posted by: wth at November 21, 2014 12:46 PM (wAQA5)


Heh.... yeah.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at November 21, 2014 12:48 PM (auf5H)

594 Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue...

Posted by: anon a mouse at November 21, 2014 12:49 PM (gXRIG)

595 "I knew you were channeling Dr. Zhivago in your previous comment ("More just.") but didn't respond in time.

Well done.


Posted by: Jay Guevara"
Oh, good catch! Yes, after I posted that I figured, no one would see it.
I am impressed. :-)

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 21, 2014 12:49 PM (wI3r1)

596 Since it's becoming increasingly topical, let me rehabilitate Franco's reputation a bit.

The Reds have smeared him mercilessly, but after reading some histories of the Spanish Civil War I think he did Spain a solid. The Reds had begun, inter alia, assassinating opposition leaders, murdering priests and nuns, expropriating Church property, and taking over all education (sound familiar?) in an effort to uproot the Catholic Church. (They did a bunch of other stuff that we'd all recognize, but I don't remember it now.)

Franco Co. had finally had enough, and rebelled. The Reds were primarily centered around Barcelona, whereas the countryside largely favored Franco. The Reds lost in no small part because Stalin had the KGB purge the Republicans of POUM, Commies from the Trotsky wing. Both sides engaged in lots of atrocities, but that's pretty much in the nature of a civil war.

The Spanish Civil War became a proxy fight between the Soviets on one hand and the Nazis and Fascists on the other; accounts now stress the latter, but ignore the former (for some reason!). After winning Franco, with Hitler's help, he cleverly steered Spain clear of WWII.

So overall he held back the Communist takeover, and got what he wanted from the Nazis without giving them what they wanted, all from a position of abject weakness. Some pretty fancy footwork, methinks.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:50 PM (oKE6c)

597 Two pies would have barely been legal. One must have at least three
different pies, and in case you didn't like pies, some kind of cake or
cookie bars/fudge.


My extended family planned it out at three slices of pie per person, plus cake/cookies/bars for snacking.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at November 21, 2014 12:50 PM (ZKzrr)

598 "Comprehensive Immigration Reform," my muscular buttocks. There's already a "path to citizenship" that works just fine, thank you very much. The starting point of that path is the front gate of the American consulate in whatever third-world stinking shithole you come from.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 21, 2014 12:50 PM (iIzG7)

599 >>Carol, you must not have grown up in an Irish American household like I
did. The Irish assume at every meal that they will never have any food
again, so my mother made not just huge quantities of food, but numerous
dishes as well.

Heh. My hubby's family motto is "Food is love!" and there's a whole lotta love at every holiday gathering.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 21, 2014 12:50 PM (ABcz/)

600 Like the MSM would report it?

how could they not report a legal case involving a supreme court justice?

Posted by: kj at November 21, 2014 12:51 PM (lKyWE)

601 Good point on Peru
--

Asians in Latin America
Brazil 2,200,000
Peru 1,100,000
Panama 135,000
Argentina 131,600
Cuba 115,600

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 12:51 PM (ZPrif)

602 Oh, good catch! Yes, after I posted that I figured, no one would see it.
I am impressed. :-)
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 21, 2014 12:49 PM (wI3r1)



I was just about to comment when your second one came up, rendering mine moot.

I love that movie. I just wished we weren't living it now.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:51 PM (oKE6c)

603 "I stand by my offer of last evening to start writing a prepping thread for Sundays if Ace wants me to.


Since it appears the Burning Times are coming, and all.


Posted by: Country Singer"

I'd like to see that, right next to all to often abbsent, gun thread.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 21, 2014 12:51 PM (wI3r1)

604 Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 12:48 PM (zxQ4h)

Did you not like Reagan because NAFTA was his vision.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 12:52 PM (o0mD3)

605 598 "Comprehensive Immigration Reform," my muscular buttocks.
Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 21, 2014 12:50 PM (iIzG7)


Go on...

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan, OB-GYN at November 21, 2014 12:52 PM (vgIRn)

606 JackStraw, as I said my crytal ball is pretty useless. But the "evidence" you cite is not of any real, understanding opposition to the disaster of amnesty. It is merely compliance with an expected backlash, i.e. fear. Yep, that's part of all politics. But the 2006 chapter accurately reflected the GOP establishment instinct. That too was beaten back by grassroots fury.

And to cite the House's choice not to take up the Senate bill as evidence of any real opposition to amnesty .... that bill was a shocking example, even to me, of how stupid (yes, stupid) and out of touch with reality most Dems and many GOPers are. Not taking up that bill really proves nothing. It stands as perhaps the most outrageous destructive bill that ever got past 2 cosponsors in Senate history (and that's saying something).

We will see. What we already know that is that we have a national "leadership" whose character, intelligence, and connection to the country and its interests are probably the weakest in our history.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 12:52 PM (afQnV)

607 >>Here's Romney on CNN right before the 2014 vote vowing that a vote for Republicans is a vote for Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

So what? Comprehensive Immigration Reform is the msm approved term, anything less is considered verboten and will be portrayed as hating Latinos.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform can mean whatever you want it to. It can mean border security, it can e-verify, it can mean anything which is why liberals love it so much.

By the way, Harry Reid did pass his version of Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 12:52 PM (g1DWB)

608
It's too bad we can't post pics anymore.

I'd show D-Lamp my balls.

You know, since he's a phenomenal bullshit detector and thinks I'm a lesbian.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 21, 2014 12:52 PM (fwARV)

609 Heh. My hubby's family motto is "Food is love!" and there's a whole lotta love at every holiday gathering.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 21, 2014 12:50 PM (ABcz/)

----

"a whole lotta love"---and a whole lotta of drinking, accusations, bitter resentments, grudge holding and drinking to numb the pain.

Seriously, have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:52 PM (A98Xu)

610
It's a better day to be drunk.
......................
It's 10:00am here but it's 2:00pm in Bermuda.
*pops cap*glug*

Posted by: wth at November 21, 2014 12:52 PM (wAQA5)

611 So right on schedule the usurping dictator releases more terrorists. Just like I said he'd do.

Four Al Qaeda terrorists released yesterday.

Posted by: Birthers were right at November 21, 2014 12:53 PM (t/Mrs)

612 I have a Euro cousin who wants to live in the US.

I could write up a lease agreement dated in 2008 and she has a kid, so voila, she qualifies for amnesty.

Oh what's that the kid isn't a US citizen? Hold on a second, let me get head of to Kinko's.....

An hour later: Here we go, the kid was born in Los Angeles in 2009.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 12:53 PM (0LHZx)

613 Oh, good catch! Yes, after I posted that I figured, no one would see it.
I am impressed. :-)
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 21, 2014 12:49 PM (wI3r1)



The other thing is I lived in Berkeley for many years, and could all too easily see the Reds there doing exactly what happened to Zhivago. They yearn to do the exact same thing. I learned a lot about the Reds, and how they operate, from living there.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:53 PM (oKE6c)

614 By the way, Harry Reid did pass his version of Comprehensive Immigration Reform.
--
Romney meant -- and signed into law. Obviously.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 12:53 PM (ZPrif)

615 I like the differing points of few. I don't enjoy the personal attacks as much.

Some here read waaaay too much into what people say.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:54 PM (A98Xu)

616 What? Doesn't everyone serve Alpo for Thanksgiving dinner?

Not a speck of fucking cereal.

Posted by: The Hobo's Sex And Candy Stare Decicis at November 21, 2014 12:54 PM (XeGAx)

617 Romney is currently in favor of amnesty for illegals in America. So are Christie and Jeb and a bunch of other frontrunners for 2016. Most probably.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 12:54 PM (ZPrif)

618 Where is turkey 57 cents a pound, btw? It's about a buck a pound here.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 12:54 PM (9BRsg)

619 how could they not report a legal case involving a supreme court justice? Posted by: kj at November 21, 2014 12:51 PM (lKyWE) Like this....la la la lala lalala la...can't hear you! Lala la la lalalala ....Oh, you mean that Bush appointment....lala la la....can't hear you! La la la....Bush appointment criminal....lala la lalala Obama rule of law...lala la.

Posted by: Havedash at November 21, 2014 12:54 PM (gvqyH)

620 "I love that movie. I just wished we weren't living it now.


Posted by: Jay Guevara at"
Yea. Isn't it kind of telling to think that, today, such a movie would never see the light of day.
Literally boggles my mind. Who could have predicted such a thing as this?

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 21, 2014 12:54 PM (wI3r1)

621 Oh what's that the kid isn't a US citizen? Hold on a second, let me get head of to Kinko's.....

An hour later: Here we go, the kid was born in Los Angeles in 2009.



Why go to Kinko's? Just gin up a birth cert using Adobe.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 12:55 PM (zESFM)

622 Yes, it was a lot more fun speculating about the burning times.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:56 PM (A98Xu)

623 And does anyone think that dickless John Boner will do this? lol

They are cowering in fear of lord Obama as we speak!

Posted by: Dan at November 21, 2014 12:56 PM (COpZ4)

624 Jay Guevara, haven't read into it as much as I hope I will, but Franco's rebuff of all Hitler's blandishments/then-threats was pretty amazing. I think he might be the only European leader of consequence who was able to defy Hitler without ending up with lots of feldgrau uniforms all over his country. Not a well-known story, but an interesting one.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 12:56 PM (afQnV)

625 >>"a whole lotta love"---and a whole lotta of drinking, accusations,
bitter resentments, grudge holding and drinking to numb the pain.



Seriously, have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

Heh. No they're all quite sweet - and when it's all 6 of his siblings plus all of their kids and grandkids it can be....overwhelming.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 21, 2014 12:56 PM (ABcz/)

626 Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 12:54 PM (9BRsg)

Fresh at Aldi yesterday for 99 cents.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 21, 2014 12:56 PM (Knixy)

627 >>They probably have to time the announcement around the protesters work schedules......
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo

So, what is peak time for convenience store hold ups?

Posted by: The Kardashians at November 21, 2014 12:57 PM (3rrMW)

628 Went to Costco this morning. Didn't hear English until I got to the checkout. Well not exactly true, I ran into someone worth about $100 mill buying chairs. Does the name Belk ring a bell.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 12:57 PM (0FSuD)

629 Sounds like mouth-breathing winger lies to me.

http://tinyurl.com/ooz8ay5
--Washington (AFP) - Pledging to fix America's "broken" immigration system, President Barack Obama offered five million undocumented migrants protection from deportation, allowing families to emerge from the shadows and seek work permits.

Posted by: CrazyPants McGraw at November 21, 2014 12:57 PM (ZPrif)

630 >>Romney meant -- and signed into law. Obviously.

Exactly. And why couldn't he get it done? Because the Republican led House wouldn't touch it. The same leadership is in charge of the House and it is even more Republican.

And that leads you to believe that what the House was holding out for was an amnesty bill that was pushed by a Republican Senate leader? Oh, ok.

Obviously.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 12:57 PM (g1DWB)

631 Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 12:55 PM (zESFM)

Should've socked - Hawaiian Gov't Official.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 21, 2014 12:57 PM (Knixy)

632 another edged weapon attack in Jerusalem. Two slightly wounded, attacker got away.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 12:58 PM (XUKZU)

633 It's a better day to be drunk.

I had a work lunch at a bar and had to drink soda because I was surrounded by cow-orkers who take the employee handbook seriously. Inhumane.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at November 21, 2014 12:58 PM (ZKzrr)

634 Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 12:57 PM (0FSuD)

Despite John Edwards claims, there are not 2 Americas.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 21, 2014 12:59 PM (Knixy)

635 574
Put my vote down for "The Undocumented American."
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 21, 2014 12:45 PM (knoK7)


Why not Obama? Time has a long history of naming dictators as Man of the Year.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 12:59 PM (zoehZ)

636 Did you not like Reagan because NAFTA was his vision.

Loved Reagan. Wasn't worried about competing against Mexico or Canada.

Competing against 1.2 billion communists? No way. So here we are today 57,000 factories shuttered, manufacturing employment levels at 1930's Great Depression levels, nearly 10 million fewer Americans employed then at the high point. If Slick Willy didn't do it Bush Sr would have.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 12:59 PM (zxQ4h)

637 There's really no confusion. Most of the GOP supports an expanded guest worker program and some sort of compassionate solution for the families of the urchins who illegally crossed the border. And that compassionate solution is not a one-way bus ticket back to Mexico.

So let's not pretend here. The solution that most politicians support involves flooding the U.S. labor market with cheap workers at a time when Americans are out of work and flooding our school systems with a bunch of kids who don't speak English and haven't had their vaccinations.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 12:59 PM (9BRsg)

638 Where is turkey 57 cents a pound, btw? It's about a buck a pound here.



Kroger turkey, with loyalty card $.59/lb, just north of Dallas.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 12:59 PM (zESFM)

639
Looks like Obama is farting! This is good.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 21, 2014 12:45 PM (0FSuD)



-----



The fart idea made me LOL. Thanks.

Posted by: seems legit at November 21, 2014 12:46 PM (A98Xu)

I don't need no machine, fellas. I can hit different tones with my hands, clasped primly in my lap. Yes, I am an aging supermodel with the mindset of a junior high boy. I used to drive my teachers insane. And, it made for a wondrous time at my wedding! (ok, kidding). I would totally do this listening to a speech of Le Roi's. I could pull it off, too. If you do not share this talent, I advise all morons to look it up (there are wiki pages with instructions as well as YouTube!).
This guy is the champion, however:tinyurl.com/msxm9a7

Posted by: ChristyBlinky haz no idea at November 21, 2014 12:59 PM (dMEBN)

640 >>>>They probably have to time the announcement around the protesters work schedules......

Friday night certainly is convenient, no?
Most people will be off for celebrating or witnessing this oh-so-orchestrated weekend of rage; a whole weekend of TV news coverage for them.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 21, 2014 12:59 PM (ABcz/)

641 The other thing is I lived in Berkeley for many years, and could all too easily see the Reds there doing exactly what happened to Zhivago. They yearn to do the exact same thing. I learned a lot about the Reds, and how they operate, from living there.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:53 PM (oKE6c)


Speaking of Berzerkly, Robin from Berkeley is posting again. Comments are still off, unfortunately. Good to see her back.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at November 21, 2014 01:00 PM (auf5H)

642 617.......and the Rino's on this board will demand Conservatives/Tea Party jump on board with the Rino that comes out of the primaries.


Then, a few weeks later, they will be back to calling us all "mouth breathers".


Not sure why Conservatives STILL fall for this bull-shit.

Posted by: pam at November 21, 2014 01:00 PM (cgrL5)

643 So anyway, I have been mostly a lurker you know until yesterday, something told me I ought to post, not quite sure what it was.

Irregardless, I know there's only 1 or 2 of you who are sure I'm a troll or a moby (I can't remember who), so what I am asking is there like a moron application form I need to fill out?

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 21, 2014 01:00 PM (wI3r1)

644 Where is turkey 57 cents a pound, btw?

Meijer was giving you 50% off your turkey if you bought $20 in other food, but I didn't look to see what the regular per-pound price was.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at November 21, 2014 01:00 PM (ZKzrr)

645 Even better:

Invite Obamacus to the House, and, before he can open his gob, open the floor to questions.

Posted by: weft cut-loop, now in Dark Chunks! at November 21, 2014 01:00 PM (NFl+r)

646 627>> They probably have to time the announcement around the protesters work schedules......
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo

So, what is peak time for convenience store hold ups?Posted by: The Kardashians at November 21, 2014 12:57 PM (3rrMW) The weather is supposed to warm up this weekend....just saying.

Posted by: Havedash at November 21, 2014 01:00 PM (gvqyH)

647 I recommend standing up and turning their backs to him when he begins to speak.

Count to 60. If he continues to speak, walk.

Humiliate him.

Posted by: Amos at November 21, 2014 01:01 PM (9gcGV)

648 Yea. Isn't it kind of telling to think that, today, such a movie would never see the light of day.
Literally boggles my mind. Who could have predicted such a thing as this?
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 21, 2014 12:54 PM (wI3r1)



You're probably right; Hollywood would scotch a movie that made Communism look bad.

I keep telling my sons and my wife, who's considerably younger than I am, that things can change quickly, overnight practically. They don't believe me, I can see, but they can. Something that once was unthinkable becomes commonplace (see, e.g., the mainstreaming of Communist sympathies or homosexual tendencies, once held as the deepest of dark secrets, because they were third rail issues).

Hitler assumed power at the end of January, 1933. He founded Dachau in March, i.e., a few weeks later. That's how fast things can change.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 01:01 PM (oKE6c)

649 "Why go to Kinko's? Just gin up a birth cert using Adobe.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 12:55 PM (zESFM)"

That's ridiculous.

Copies of successful application packets will be available for sale in the parking lot right next to the pickup with the tamales.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 21, 2014 01:01 PM (pYEaj)

650 Or schedule the SOTU for 9:00 AM. Denies him the opportunity to showboat somewhere else, media can't be too hissy about it, but makes the point.

Posted by: RR at November 21, 2014 01:02 PM (dskTv)

651 Speaking of Berzerkly, Robin from Berkeley is posting again.

Where? I like her stuff.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at November 21, 2014 01:02 PM (ZKzrr)

652
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 21, 2014 12:52 PM (fwARV)

_________________________

Did somebody mention lesbian?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 21, 2014 01:02 PM (HSmrB)

653 >>Why not Obama? Time has a long history of naming dictators as Man of the Year.

Would you believe Obama has already gotten this honor twice?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 21, 2014 01:02 PM (ABcz/)

654 I'm still amazed that we think what Ogumbe did last night was the final straw. But hasn't he been doing this very same thing since the Ocare rollout? You know. Unilaterally changing the law, not enforcing the law, using the law to punish some and exempt others?

He's been a dictator for several years now. Why suddenly so much attention with this?

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 01:02 PM (jkeQO)

655 Hopefully this is either:

1) a hoax/skit
or
2) they were immediately arrested

Jim Hoft @gatewaypundit 19m
SHOCK VIDEO>>> Masked #Ferguson Protesters With Guns Threaten Violence http://shar.es/1X6nEJ via @gatewaypundit

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 01:02 PM (ZPrif)

656 "Went to Costco this morning. Didn't hear English until I got to the checkout."

Hmm. Fairfax?

Posted by: anon a mouse at November 21, 2014 01:03 PM (gXRIG)

657 We can't wait. We need to hire a low-wage illegal to post the threads the Ewok won't write.

Posted by: @votermom at November 21, 2014 01:03 PM (cbfNE)

658 Where is turkey 57 cents a pound, btw?

Here in Pennsylvania. Spent $100 last week, got a 10 pound turkey breast for free.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 01:03 PM (zxQ4h)

659 If only the GOP would stop cooperating with this guy. Don't approve appointments, don't pass any bills, don't go to any meetings, don't let him speak. Shun the guy completely and just keep reminding everyone he'll be gone in two years.

No matter how loudly his party loyalists squeal. Shun the guy.

Posted by: Rudolph the Depressed at November 21, 2014 01:03 PM (h62oB)

660 >>Not sure why Conservatives STILL fall for this bull-shit.

Because there is no serious alternative.

I'm begging Libertarians to show me that they want my vote. So far, they have not done it. Even the local Libertarian candidates are nutso around here.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 01:03 PM (9BRsg)

661 Turkey is murder. Tofu turkey, if you love animals.



http://tinyurl.com/nczavbr

Posted by: Airhead PETA bitch at November 21, 2014 01:03 PM (0FSuD)

662 >>Jim Hoft @gatewaypundit 19m

SHOCK VIDEO>>> Masked #Ferguson Protesters With Guns Threaten Violence http://shar.es/1X6nEJ via @gatewaypundit

Ferguson protests-->The Purge?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 21, 2014 01:03 PM (ABcz/)

663 Or schedule the SOTU for 9:00 AM. Denies him the opportunity to showboat somewhere else, media can't be too hissy about it

And since he doesn't even roll out of bed until then most mornings, he'll be at least an hour late by which time they've all left to do something else. I like it.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at November 21, 2014 01:03 PM (ZKzrr)

664 This action should be called obamas Enabling Act
For those who know history

Posted by: Avi at November 21, 2014 01:04 PM (+A2vw)

665 624 Jay Guevara, haven't read into it as much as I hope I will, but Franco's rebuff of all Hitler's blandishments/then-threats was pretty amazing. I think he might be the only European leader of consequence who was able to defy Hitler without ending up with lots of feldgrau uniforms all over his country. Not a well-known story, but an interesting one.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 12:56 PM (afQnV)



I have to say I was pretty impressed by his adroitness. He got what he wanted, and gave up ... nothing.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 01:04 PM (oKE6c)

666
I had a work lunch at a bar and had to drink soda because I was surrounded by cow-orkers who take the employee handbook seriously. Inhumane.

Brutal.

We had the annual Tax Lunch last week (I know, right?) in a nice steakhouse. It's our annual "you're allowed to drink at lunch" day.

A guy who's about 60 and doesn't drink much started pounding glasses of wine. He went from amusing to boisterous to loud, racist and repetitive over the course of the lunch. He's proud of being Irish. Hmph. I had a couple glasses of wine and martini, no problem. He came back to the office and threw up.

I took away his Irish Card.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 01:04 PM (JtwS4)

667 I don't want to re-start the racism fight, but I
will point out that yesterday someone I don't know said "that's good
because blacks love anal".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 12:05 PM (JtwS4)


That comment was clearly sarcasm. And therein lies a problem. Some people just cannot process sarcasm in the written word. Hence the use of sarc tags on some sites.

Posted by: USDA at November 21, 2014 01:04 PM (7MWCL)

668 Loved Reagan. Wasn't worried about competing against Mexico or Canada.

FUN FACT: The largest, quickest drop in worldwide poverty occurred during the reign of Ronaldus Maximus.

Total Cost to achieve: $0.00

Eat me, liberals.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at November 21, 2014 01:05 PM (auf5H)

669 657 We can't wait. We need to hire a low-wage illegal to post the threads the Ewok won't write.
Posted by: @votermom at November 21, 2014 01:03 PM (cbfNE)


Good idea! It won't even matter that the posts are in Spanish, because no one reads them anyway.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 01:05 PM (zoehZ)

670 The next time I go to a movie and there's a long line outside, I'm thinking of just going up to the head of the line and saying that I'm an undocumented ticket-holder. And I'll say it in Spanish.
Ya think that'll go over well?

Posted by: LGoPs at November 21, 2014 01:06 PM (+2dx9)

671 Exactly. And why couldn't he get it done? Because the Republican led House wouldn't touch it. The same leadership is in charge of the House and it is even more Republican.

And that leads you to believe that what the House was holding out for was an amnesty bill that was pushed by a Republican Senate leader? Oh, ok.

Obviously.
---
Huh? The point was the video illustrated that Romney supports amnesty for illegals. Which he does.

Whether Romney was right, wrong, or lying about the House is irrelevant. The point is Romney went on CNN and -- in a pitch to voters right before the election -- said, A vote for Republicans is a vote for Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

Come on. The video speaks for itself.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 01:06 PM (ZPrif)

672 Turkey is murder. Tofu turkey, if you love animals.



Tofu is plant genocide.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 01:06 PM (cHQtB)

673 I remember Ida from a Monday, 10/27 thread. Most of "her" schtick was depressing GOP voter turnout.


Yeah, I keep notes.


However discouraged I am about what happened yesterday, there is no way I think it would be better if conservatives stayed home on election day.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 01:07 PM (9BRsg)

674 Robin from Berkeley is posting again.

Where? I like her stuff.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at November 21, 2014 01:02 PM (ZKzrr)

----

Word. American Thinker???

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 01:07 PM (NaV4z)

675 Bush supported amnesty, too -- and the House wouldn't go along with him either. Nobody really doubts that Bush supported it then. Or that Romney supports it now.

Most national Republican leaders support Amnesty -- they just don't like how Obama is doing it.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 01:07 PM (ZPrif)

676 There's a way stop this. There needs to be a very large protest rally that shuts down Washington D.C. For days. If this executive overreach is able to pass, it sets a precedent for every future president to compare against. The division of power is getting pushed onto a slippery slope, and the further it gets pushed, the closer you get to another civil war. Washington needs to hear your anger loud and clear now like never before.

Posted by: pete at November 21, 2014 01:07 PM (meg+g)

677 47 This is chicken-shit. It would really, really upset Obama, denying him access for another Bloviation Bonanza but is a chicken-shit gesture. How about doing some real stuff. Such as denying ANY committee assignments to democrats and not voting for ANY nominees for any position whatsoever. This is all legal, procedural stuff, just like Harry Reid's round-filing of every bill emanating from the house. Not good for business, but it will change some minds. Posted by: Gunslinger at November 21, 2014 10:58 AM (4S7hN)

Agreed.

Posted by: Donna and V. at November 21, 2014 01:07 PM (u0lmX)

678 I do think the brilliance in this is that it turns the table on Obama and puts him in the position of taking the bait. No way could that fool avoid finding some grandiose palace full of all Democrats to give a tone deaf, liberal fawning SOTU address to nothing but standing ovations and cheering from Democrats while the vast majority of the country is busy disapproving of his performance.

Posted by: deadrody at November 21, 2014 01:08 PM (W15tP)

679 >>Huh? The point was the video illustrated that Romney supports amnesty for illegals. Which he does.

Yea, ok. You believe whatever you want to believe and pretend he ran on a very strict no amnesty platform that many analysts where commenting was hurting him with the Latino vote and then for no apparent reason changed his mind after he lost. It doesn't matter since he isn't running.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 01:08 PM (g1DWB)

680 Yea. Isn't it kind of telling to think that, today, such a movie would never see the light of day.
Literally boggles my mind. Who could have predicted such a thing as this?
Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 21, 2014 12:54 PM (wI3r1)



I've told my older son not to think prospectively, but rather retrospectively, about things like this. You'll never see it coming thinking prospectively; it seems impossible. Retrospectively, assume it has happened, then try to imagine how that could happen.

Think of a bridge. It's hard to imagine a bridge being built, starting with surveyor's stakes etc. But imagine a bridge, and work backwards to the surveyor's stakes. Then, when you see surveyor's stakes materialize one day, you know where this is going.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 01:08 PM (oKE6c)

681 Did you not like Reagan because NAFTA was his vision.

__________

Not totally true.

Reagan signed a "NAFTA" with Canada. Mexico wasn't added to the mix until after Reagan was gone.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:08 PM (0LHZx)

682 I have not yet begun to fight.

Posted by: Zombie John Paul Jones at November 21, 2014 01:09 PM (sDapq)

683 Jay Guevara

He yelled at RG3. I'll never forgive him for that.

Posted by: Hans Gruber at November 21, 2014 01:09 PM (Dwehj)

684
That comment was clearly sarcasm. And therein lies a problem. Some people just cannot process sarcasm in the written word. Hence the use of sarc tags on some sites.

There is no tone of voice in ascii, I know. Most Morons pull off sarcasm effectively with just the written word. I didn't get it from that comment.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 01:09 PM (JtwS4)

685 I fucked up Horde, big time.

I made the mistake of reading a recap of Bumblefuck's speech from last night.

Now I'm in danger of having a stroke and it's hours upon hours before I can have a drink.

Posted by: BCochran1981 wonders what's in your closet at November 21, 2014 01:09 PM (da5Wo)

686 "Turkey is murder."

Turkey is a sacrifice, giving his all for the meal. We should respect and honor that sacrifice with generous gifts of cornbread dressing, sweet potatoes, beer, and pie. Lots of pie.

I do love animals. You don't think I eat them because I hate them, do ya?

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 21, 2014 01:10 PM (iIzG7)

687 674 Robin from Berkeley is posting again.

Where? I like her stuff.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at November 21, 2014 01:02 PM (ZKzrr)

----

Word. American Thinker???
Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 01:07 PM (NaV4z)


Not at the American Thinker, so far as I can tell. Her blog is at:

http://www.robinofberkeley.com/

Last post was the 13th of this month.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at November 21, 2014 01:10 PM (auf5H)

688 OK, work's getting in the way of my reading. Off to a two-hour meeting.



I'll catch yo 'Rons later.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 21, 2014 01:10 PM (8hctH)

689 I fucked up Horde, big time.

I made the mistake of reading a recap of Bumblefuck's speech from last night.

Now I'm in danger of having a stroke and it's hours upon hours before I can have a drink.

Posted by: BCochran1981 wonders what's in your closet at November 21, 2014 01:09 PM (da5Wo)




You've got paint thinner at the office don't you????


Bottoms up!

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2014 01:10 PM (GQ8sn)

690 i think obama blew it last night using an executive order on immigration.if the supreme court rules federal subsides to people who live in states that did not setup exchanges for the ACA are unconstitutional than the only way for obama to fix it will be by executive order in conjunction with congressional approval.and the new congress should stick it to him on that

Posted by: kj at November 21, 2014 01:10 PM (lKyWE)

691 I had a work lunch at a bar and had to drink soda because I was surrounded by cow-orkers who take the employee handbook seriously. Inhumane.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at November 21, 2014 12:58 PM (ZKzrr)



Story time!

Once upon a time, at the old firm, I was tasked with revising the employee handbook. I did so and sent it off to the various others involved for review. I got back from everyone okay that's fine. I went to the office manager and said hey we need a meeting about this and she said why everyone approved it and I told her I was sure they hadn't read it. She asked me why. I asked her if she had read it and she said yes. I then replied oh okay even the part where I'm allowed to slap people?

Yeah. That took care of the oh sure we read it responses.

Posted by: alexthechick - Cookies are to the right, glitter to the left at November 21, 2014 01:10 PM (mf5HN)

692 Yea, ok. You believe whatever you want to believe
--
I'm not believing what I "want to believe". I'm believing the words of Romney himself, spoken on camera, to CNN, just a few weeks ago.

This isn't a conspiracy. I'm not trying to trick you.

I'm not even bashing Romney for it. This is the position of most of the Republican Establishment and has been for a long time.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 01:11 PM (ZPrif)

693 You've got paint thinner at the office don't you????

Bottoms up!

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2014 01:10 PM (GQ8sn)



Lmao. Don't tempt me.

Posted by: BCochran1981 wonders what's in your closet at November 21, 2014 01:11 PM (da5Wo)

694
Upside people.... upside. Glass half full.

It nice to know that "discretionary prosecution" is now a cornerstone of executive power.

I look forward to when President Mia Love EO's "discretionary prosecution" and no longer will enforce:

Income tax evasion
EPA standards and bans of energy production on Federal Lands
CAFE standards for automobiles
Import bans on incandescent lightbulbs
The Civil Rights Act

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 01:12 PM (NaV4z)

695 I asked her if she had read it and she said yes. I then replied oh okay even the part where I'm allowed to slap people?

Yeah. That took care of the oh sure we read it responses.

Posted by: alexthechick - Cookies are to the right, glitter to the left at November 21, 2014 01:10 PM (mf5HN)



See???? You're nice.

I wouldn't have said a damn word.

Posted by: BCochran1981 wonders what's in your closet at November 21, 2014 01:12 PM (da5Wo)

696
I was tasked with revising the employee handbook

So why did you rat on yourself? You could have left in your dictatorial slapping power and permission to drink at lunch.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 01:13 PM (JtwS4)

697
Peaceful Protesters:

http://goo.gl/8UC5yn

Posted by: The Progs at November 21, 2014 01:13 PM (iQIUe)

698 697
Peaceful Protesters:

http://goo.gl/8UC5yn

Posted by: The Progs at November 21, 2014 01:13 PM (iQIUe)


Isn't that supposed to drop today?

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2014 01:14 PM (oFCZn)

699 "Think of a bridge. It's hard to imagine a bridge being built, starting with surveyor's stakes etc. But imagine a bridge, and work backwards to the surveyor's stakes. Then, when you see surveyor's stakes materialize one day, you know where this is going.


Posted by: Jay Guevara at"
History, those who forget history, something, something, can't remember the point of that one.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 21, 2014 01:14 PM (wI3r1)

700 Seven hundred comments. Is that some kind of a record around here?

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 21, 2014 01:14 PM (iIzG7)

701 So overall he held back the Communist takeover, and got what he wanted from the Nazis without giving them what they wanted, all from a position of abject weakness. Some pretty fancy footwork, methinks.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 21, 2014 12:50 PM (oKE6c)Should be pointed out that Franco's victory was somewhat Pyrrhic. It could be argued Spain still hasn't fully recovered from that bloodbath.

Posted by: troyriser at November 21, 2014 01:14 PM (DU9hE)

702 Reagan signed a "NAFTA" with Canada. Mexico wasn't added to the mix until after Reagan was gone.

Reagan also had the Caribbean Basin Initiative. That I never heard one person bitch about. Then it became a contest, upping the stakes constantly. Until Slick Willy went full retard.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 01:14 PM (zxQ4h)

703 Shocking on WZ. Once again Holder is siding with the street thugs.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 21, 2014 01:15 PM (XUKZU)

704
Gruber was right. He deserves credit where it's due. Americans ARE too stupid to catch on, and they're not going to do anything to reverse current course.
And that goes double for the voters who keep putting Speaker Boner and other members of GOP, Inc. into office election after election.
And it goes triple for idiot bloggers who keep looking to that GOP leadership for action.
Obama is just showing you a preview of what he has in store for us between now and 2016, and there's nothing you can do about it, because of YOUR bad choices.
Now live with it.

Posted by: Born Free at November 21, 2014 01:15 PM (ET0OJ)

705 I wouldn't have said a damn word.

I'da just started randomly slapping people.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 21, 2014 01:15 PM (0HooB)

706 Seven hundred comments. Is that some kind of a record around here?
Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 21, 2014 01:14 PM (iIzG7)

Last night was over a 1,000.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 21, 2014 01:15 PM (hjTr7)

707 I'm begging Libertarians to show me that they want my vote. So far, they have not done it. Even the local Libertarian candidates are nutso around here.


Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2014 01:03 PM (9BRsg)


Yeah... us small L libertarians need a new name....

Because we are between the GOPe, and the whacko positions of the Libertarian Party...

How do you describe your political position, when you are PRO Defense, Pro Border Security, against dual Citizenship, way against big government, against our government spying on us, pro law and order but against a militarized Police force, against no knock raids, against asset seizure laws, against the government seizing land, for the Fed Gov giving the land its owns that it is doing nothing with to the States...

I tend to think the Founders had the balance just about right...

But there is no 'label' that fits me.... apparently...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 21, 2014 01:16 PM (f0pWu)

708 NAFTA was a good thing. As are most free trade deals.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 01:16 PM (ZPrif)

709 706 Seven hundred comments. Is that some kind of a record around here?
Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 21, 2014 01:14 PM (iIzG7)

Last night was over a 1,000.
Posted by: Jen the original at November 21, 2014 01:15 PM (hjTr7)

For a daytime thread, it's way up there.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 01:16 PM (DrWcr)

710 Jay, my only knowlege of the Franco thing comes from the brief account in the third volume (I think) of Richard Evans' trilogy on das Drittes Reich.
On-OT (new category? when a comment expands on an already off-topic topic?) - yesterday at the range, a younger guy told me a fascinating anecdote. He and his wife recently visited Budapest. There's some new monument there that more or less celebrates Hungary's resistance to the Nazis. He said there's so much backlash from thosewith a fuller grasp of Hungary's WWII history that the tour guides keep their groups at a distance, and the govt. has posted armed security to prevent defacing of the monument.

In a cool protest, critics of the monument have been leaving old suitcases at a spot nearby, symbolizing the luggage Jews and other deportees left as the local collaborators told them "it will be shipped separately and catch up with you at your new temporary location".

Anyway, point being WWII played out in wildly varying and divergent ways in different parts of Europe. Hungary seemed to manage to get the worst of both worlds - little to show for cooperation with Hitler and awful treatment of its own "untermenschen", then absolutely savaged by the Red Army on their way through in '45 (worst place apart from Germany itself for Soviet revenge barbarism, I believe).

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 01:16 PM (afQnV)

711 "Come on. The video speaks for itself."

You're being dishonest. You have to add the context, which is, "What do you need to hear to believe in Mitt?" You can't interpret his edited statements --and they are all edited, believe me -- without knowing what you need to hear to believe in Mitt.

If you need to hear Mitt say he's for amnesty, well look at that videotape. If you need to hear Mitt say he's against amnesty, he's said that many times before on different occasions, and you can't discount all those other contrary statements just because he tries a little electioneering once or twice.

/s

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 21, 2014 01:16 PM (pYEaj)

712 "Come on. The video speaks for itself."

You're being dishonest. You have to add the context, which is, "What do you need to hear to believe in Mitt?" You can't interpret his edited statements --and they are all edited, believe me -- without knowing what you need to hear to believe in Mitt.

If you need to hear Mitt say he's for amnesty, well look at that videotape. If you need to hear Mitt say he's against amnesty, he's said that many times before on different occasions, and you can't discount all those other contrary statements just because he tries a little electioneering once or twice.

/s

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 21, 2014 01:16 PM (pYEaj)

713 >I'm not believing what I "want to believe". I'm believing the words of Romney himself, spoken on camera, to CNN, just a few weeks ago.

>>I do believe it's important for us, before the presidential contest in 2016, to finally have immigration reform in place, the 2012 Republican presidential nominee told reporters in Iowa, according to The Des Moines Register. I just don't think it's healthy for the country to continue to have this issue open and unresolved, particularly with so many families that are waiting for the answers.

>>Romney said he did not support a special path to citizenship. He said last year that, I do believe that those who come here illegally ought to have an opportunity to get in line with everybody else.

>>I didn't get elected, so I'm not sure my view is the one that will carry the day, he said.

http://tinyurl.com/pl2jy4a

Nothing has changed. He has the same view he has had all along. No amnesty, no going to the front of the line.

That was the position he ran on and as he noted, did not get him elected.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 21, 2014 01:16 PM (g1DWB)

714 Seven hundred comments. Is that some kind of a record around here?
Posted by: Keith Arnold



Not even close.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 01:16 PM (cHQtB)

715 697


Peaceful Protesters:



http://goo.gl/8UC5yn

Posted by: The Progs at November 21, 2014 01:13 PM (iQIUe)

If people are stupid enough to bring weapons when this shit drops....oh boy.

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 21, 2014 01:17 PM (o2Jt2)

716 It nice to know that "discretionary prosecution" is now a cornerstone of executive power.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 21, 2014 01:12 PM (NaV4z)



I think it's called "discretionary persecution."

Posted by: Zombie John Paul Jones at November 21, 2014 01:17 PM (sDapq)

717 See???? You're nice.

I wouldn't have said a damn word.
Posted by: BCochran1981 wonders what's in your closet at November 21, 2014 01:12 PM (da5Wo)



These are the same people who, after giving me a huge, huge, huge raise (read finally paid me what they should have been paying me all along), asked me to write up my own offer letter.

I did so, the Big Boss signed it and I tilted my head and asked him if he realized that I could have put anything I wanted in there. He told me yeah but he knew I wouldn't.

Stupid parents raising me stupid right.

Posted by: alexthechick - Cookies are to the right, glitter to the left at November 21, 2014 01:17 PM (mf5HN)

718 The LIB crowd should be happy - the match has been struck and the accelerant is being splashed around. Should have been the other way around, but Liberals can't even RUIN things properly. I will be absolutely amazed if there's not a shooting war within our boundaries by this time next year. It's what Obama wants and the fcuking GOP are powerless (and clueless) to stop him, even if they REALLY wanted to, and I'm not convinced they want to. The enemy has infiltrated both sides of the aisle and their agenda will continue unabated and unopposed. God help us all.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft - DOOM on the fifth Monday of the week at November 21, 2014 01:17 PM (JkmfQ)

719 708 NAFTA was a good thing. As are most free trade deals.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 01:16 PM (ZPrif)

__________

Free trade deals are good as long as everyone plays by the same rules. Mexico doesn't. Neither does China.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:17 PM (0LHZx)

720
I remember back in my childhood watching news stories of how terrible it was that companies were writing off "3 martini lunches". Now it wasn't that people were drinking that was the big deal, it was that they were taking a tax deduction.

3 martini lunches became buzzwords for a little while.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2014 01:17 PM (1nB6R)

721 We need to ban "comprehensive" bills of all stripes.

Posted by: @votermom at November 21, 2014 01:17 PM (cbfNE)

722 He would simply invite dems only. And then it would be like Russia or NORK. A 30 minute standing O.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 11:17 AM (zESFM)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Exactly. The media would love it, but the rest of the country would see it for what it is.

Posted by: deadrody at November 21, 2014 01:17 PM (W15tP)

723 Did Obola take executive action and close the HQ?

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 21, 2014 01:17 PM (/Ho8c)

724 WOLVERINES!!!!!!

Posted by: Citizen X at November 21, 2014 01:17 PM (7ObY1)

725 I'm glad W did CAFTA -- the Central America version of NAFTA.

I wish they'd been able to do the Free Trade Area of the Americas and get the whole hemisphere -- but the communists like Chavez and the Brazilian crazies blocked that.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 01:18 PM (ZPrif)

726 "Peaceful Protesters:



http://goo.gl/8UC5yn



Posted by: The Progs at November 21, 2014 01:13 PM (iQIUe)





Isn't that supposed to drop today?

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis"
Indeed, and isn't it convenient that they a) waited for warmer weather, b) waited (a guess) until the weekend and c) waited until just after El Jefe's Tyrannical Dictate so as to distract us.
I'm not saying that this is what they did, just that it sure looks to me like this is what they did and if this is what they did, this is pure evil.
They should have produced the result at the coldest opportunity at 4:30 am. You know, to preserve the peace and all.
But what do I know, moron in training is all I am.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 21, 2014 01:18 PM (wI3r1)

727 Free trade is always good for all parties.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 01:19 PM (JtwS4)

728 I would be inclined to say, OK Obama has opened the door for a future Republican president to issue EOs telling the EPA to go on a 4 year vacation.

But we all know this won't happen.

Hell, Bitch McConnell will probably bring back the filibuster that Reid nuked. You know, for compromise and shit.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:19 PM (0LHZx)

729
I'm realizing now that I did one thing right about the time O took office.

I moved 90 miles away from the nearest large metropolitan area.

Bought time, I did.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 01:19 PM (wZ3EP)

730 Hell, Bitch McConnell will probably bring back the filibuster that Reid nuked. You know, for compromise and shit.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:19 PM (0LHZx)
Juan wants it back the old and proper way

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 21, 2014 01:20 PM (o2Jt2)

731 He's breaking the law and in volation of his oath of office. Period.

Anything short of impeachment is kabuki theater. And no, resigning doesn't stop the impeachment proceedings.

Instead of wasting time on a bunch of silliness that will go nowhere, use the time to take the impeachment argument directly to the public. Every single elected official should be in their districts and on TV 24/7 making the case and putting pressure on the hold outs and Democrats.

There is absolutely no justification to not impeach this SOB and lock him away for the rest of his life. That's my concession, life in prison instead of the more traditional method of dealing with traitors.

I hear that there are some more newly empty cells at Gitmo.

Posted by: Damiano at November 21, 2014 01:20 PM (eAw1o)

732 He would simply invite dems only. And then it would be like Russia or NORK. A 30 minute standing O.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 11:17 AM (zESFM)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Exactly. The media would love it, but the rest of the country would see it for what it is.
Posted by: deadrody



48% would see it for what it was. 52% would lap it up and ask for more.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 01:20 PM (cHQtB)

733 The media will use this to 'prove' that the Rs are racist. That is all.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at November 21, 2014 01:20 PM (7v8o1)

734 If the Ferguson police, St. Louis County police are being charged with police brutality and excessive force, then pull the police off the street and see if the protests remain peaceful.

If the protests turn violent the reaction of the police chief should be, 'take it up with Obama, they are his people. Take it up with DOJ and Holder who has accused the police of provocation and excessive use of force. Take it up with the protesters. The police have nothing to do with this.'

Posted by: Rudolph the Depressed at November 21, 2014 01:20 PM (h62oB)

735 No, free trade deals are basically two people agreeing to stop shooting themselves in the foot.

Economically, we should just drop tariffs unilaterally, but that's not politically feasible, so FTA's are a 2nd best alternative.

True 2nd best would be a global agreement, WTO-style. That process is broken though, so bilateral deals are the only way forward to freer trade.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 01:21 PM (ZPrif)

736 Now it wasn't that people were drinking that was the big deal, it was that they were taking a tax deduction.

Now they bitch about people consuming alcoholic beverages. Stupid neo-Prohibitionists.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at November 21, 2014 01:21 PM (ZKzrr)

737 I look at it this way, morons, as whoever writes the Michelle Obama's mirror blog comments: this is a nothing burger. He made a lot of promises in his fog of blathering.

No SS numbers (ok, they are all using forged ID's but it is getting harder to fake them), photo ID's and work permits. He hasn't figured that one out!

I really don't think much will change between now and next year when the GOP has the majority in Congress for the first time in ten years. I am not going to gnash my teeth to nubs in advance of seeing what can be done next year (ok, in reality I now have a tooth guard thing thanks to this buffoon). Why...WHY play into the angst he wants you to have? I mean, really, people. If a bully taunts you, either punch back, or worse, laugh at him. Well, it seems to work (especially with malignant narcissist limp wristed prancercizers). Pull up your big boy and big girl panties and don't let this Pygmy Potentate ruin a single minute of your life.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky haz no idea at November 21, 2014 01:21 PM (dMEBN)

738 727 Free trade is always good for all parties.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 01:19 PM (JtwS4)

___________

As long as each parties abides by the agreement. Mexico doesn't. China doesn't. They way they cheat is they have "private" companies funded 100% by the govt. Free trade agreements forbid govt subsidizes of industry. And when someone calls them on it, the Mexicans/Chinese are all like "whoa, what subsidy, this is a private company dude, no subsidy here". Never mind that the "private" company was fully funded and staffed by govt.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:21 PM (0LHZx)

739 When you've taken all of the rounds from your constitutionally provided powers, rights and responsibilitie, I guess this is the chickenshit maneuver you're left with.

Stupid parties gonna stupid.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 21, 2014 01:21 PM (RQmVC)

740 It would be unseemly and unstatesmanlike for our elected representatives to mock openly the god-king Ogabe.

Of course, there is absolutely no reason why we, the people, shouldn't make fun of that lisping, pencil-necked, jug-eared fcuk.

Posted by: Eat s**t, Indonesian skylophage at November 21, 2014 01:21 PM (fBW52)

741 I imagine Holder's warning isn't just for Ferguson PD? Apparently Al Sharpton has been planning protests in 25 cities over the Ferguson decision, so if all goes as planned, it could get ugly....

Posted by: Lizzy at November 21, 2014 01:22 PM (ABcz/)

742 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:08 PM (0LHZx)

I said it was his vision. Free Trade throughout the world was his vision , at least his rhetoric . Good or bad his actions once in office were somewhat protectionist but he still talked the talk.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 01:22 PM (o0mD3)

743 Damn, I have a ticket for a concert in Philly Saturday night. If shit starts before then, I may have to stay home and eat the ticket.

Posted by: rickl at November 21, 2014 01:22 PM (zoehZ)

744 A number of sprinklers on every corner, positioned
so they can't be disconnected by rioters. Yeah. And the nice thing about
it is that it would even have to be that cold for it to work.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 12:47 PM (jkeQO)


I sense a wee technical flaw in such a scheme.

Posted by: USDA at November 21, 2014 01:22 PM (7MWCL)

745 Republicans and Democrats have traded white people over the past few decades, so now Repubs are getting more economically populist and opposing free trade, when they were the "free trade" party for the past 40+ years.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 01:23 PM (ZPrif)

746 " After winning Franco, with Hitler's help, he cleverly steered Spain clear of WWII."

Sort of. He made a lot of demands on Hitler, so much so that Hitler wrote him off. He did send Hitler enough volunteers to field an infantry division at Leningrad.

The basis of Spanish neutrality was probably summed up by the Abwehr -- if Spain couldn't import food from America the Reich would have to feed her, and they were importing food into Germany already. He ended up guarding Gibraltar by refusing to let anybody but Spaniards threaten it, and he only fought the Russians, so the Western Allies didn't mind him. Stalin wanted his head on a pike, which was a solid reason for backing NATO after the war. You can't really say he screwed up anything until the 1960s, but he's not to be classed with Richelieu or Metternich.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 21, 2014 01:23 PM (pYEaj)

747 NAFTA was a good thing. As are most free trade deals.

My direct experience with NAFTA has been suboptimal. I, and about 50 other cow-orkers were laid off around this time of year back in the '90's: NAFTA started the next Jan. 1.

The whole company packed up the shop, fired everyone and moved to Mexico. Manufacturing jobs have been increasingly hard to find, and those shop owners who are left are certified psychos.

I really thought the government had my best interests at heart. That day convinced me otherwise. I now know that this government is against me, has and will do everything in its considerable power to make sure I am as poor and miserable as possible.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 21, 2014 01:23 PM (0HooB)

748 Free trade in theory is good. But when you have a 5000 page document that outlines the free trade agreement, it turns to shit.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:23 PM (0LHZx)

749 Blah blah blah reality blah blah blah


Thread needs moar Kpop.


http://youtu.be/JEWpCzdqs80

Posted by: alexthechick - Cookies are to the right, glitter to the left at November 21, 2014 01:24 PM (mf5HN)

750 If another country uses their taxpayer money to subsidize cheap goods for us -- then that's their problem for being idiots.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 01:24 PM (ZPrif)

751 Yep, Spain sure is one of the great disasters of recent times. Brought out of its musty closet by a "socialist" (!) Felipe Gonzalez, overseen/guard-railed by a smart and responsible king with vestigial cultural influence. Then .... AQ attacks some trains, the country basically decides to immolate itself with all the lefty idiocies of the age.

I heard there was near-suicidal despair among some Spanish army officers in Iraq when Spain disgraced itself and cowered after the train bombings by pulling out of the Coalition.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 01:25 PM (afQnV)

752 Possibly going to time the announcement on Ferguson to after people have made it home from work?

Posted by: Jen the original at November 21, 2014 01:25 PM (hjTr7)

753 New open artsy

Posted by: Insomniac at November 21, 2014 01:25 PM (DrWcr)

754 750 If another country uses their taxpayer money to subsidize cheap goods for us -- then that's their problem for being idiots.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 01:24 PM (ZPrif)

________

You obviously don't understand what a free trade agreement is then.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:25 PM (0LHZx)

755
They way they cheat is they have "private" companies funded 100% by the govt.

Right. So they penalize their own taxpayers to make our costs lower.

Win.

Protectionism hurts the protecting side.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 01:26 PM (JtwS4)

756 Damn, I have a ticket for a concert in Philly Saturday night. If shit starts before then, I may have to stay home and eat the ticket.

Heard on Philly tv this morning, possible Obola person at UofP hospital, recent visit to west africa, in isolation. So avoid any cheese steaks that smell like bush meat.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 01:26 PM (zxQ4h)

757 Kinda pointless deal

Free Beacon @FreeBeacon 8m
"The Obama administration only hopes to delay Iran's ability to produce a nuclear weapon by about a year.." http://goo.gl/RdMLgm

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 01:26 PM (ZPrif)

758 The fur is going to fly when the new congress is seated!

Within the R party, that is.

Dems will sit back and laugh.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 01:27 PM (wZ3EP)

759 Thread needs moar Kpop.

http://youtu.be/JEWpCzdqs80

Posted by: alexthechick - Cookies are to the right, glitter to the left at November 21, 2014 01:24 PM (mf5HN)



Pfffft.

http://youtu.be/mxzgwJ8tSE0

Posted by: BCochran1981 wonders what's in your closet at November 21, 2014 01:27 PM (da5Wo)

760 That's it's not going to happen.

Millions aren't going to get work permits.

What Obama wants and says in a speech and what Obama will end up getting are two different things.

I get tired of people thinking Obama is invincible and can't be stopped.
Posted by: Jimbo at November 21, 2014 11:39 AM (Aow3m)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You seem to be confused about what Obama will do vs. what people think they can STOP him from doing. What Obama will TRY to do has nothing to do with what you think the GOP can or will try and stop.

They will provide work authorization cards to these people for 3 years. That is not in dispute by anyone but you.

Posted by: deadrody at November 21, 2014 01:28 PM (W15tP)

761 727 Free trade is always good for all parties.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 01:19 PM (JtwS4)


No it isn't and we're living through the effects of it right now.

If you're trading with countries roughly comparable to yours in most ways of life? It would work well.

Trading with 3rd world shitholes? Americans lose.

And the cheaper products? They're cheap pieces of crap.

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2014 01:28 PM (oFCZn)

762 No fur will fly b/c we will have all died of old age in this damn thread.

THIS THREAD IS TOO DAMN LONG!

Posted by: The Progs at November 21, 2014 01:28 PM (iQIUe)

763 Such an action, while laudable, would require an intellectual and moral clarity which is absent in GOP leadership.

Posted by: Jaibones at November 21, 2014 01:29 PM (HupbV)

764 You obviously don't understand what a free trade agreement is then.
--
I recommend taking an econ class or two.
This really is econ 101 stuff.

The benefits of free trade are one of the few things that almost all economists agree on.

Protectionism hurts the protectionist.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 21, 2014 01:29 PM (ZPrif)

765 48% would see it for what it was. 52% would lap it up and ask for more.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2014 01:20 PM (cHQtB)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You seem to be misreading how badly this polls with the average american.

Posted by: deadrody at November 21, 2014 01:29 PM (W15tP)

766 Right. So they penalize their own taxpayers to make our costs lower.

Win.

Protectionism hurts the protecting side.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 01:26 PM (JtwS4)

________

No you have it backwards. They subsidize their side which gives their side an unfair pricing advantage against our side.

Product X costs $100 to make. With the subsidy it costs only $80. So Product X can be sold for $20 cheaper than an American company can sell it for and still make a profit.

What happens then is the American company goes out of business since it can't compete.

And once the American competition goes away, they get rid of that $20 subsidy.

Long term result is loss of American jobs AND higher prices.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:29 PM (0LHZx)

767 Y-not......there are no alternatives because Conservatives refuse to get serious and jump off the Republican merry-go-round.


Only then can a real alternative emerge. Only then can we raise REAL money to do battle with the GOP.







Posted by: pam at November 21, 2014 01:29 PM (cgrL5)

768 If another country uses their taxpayer money to subsidize cheap goods for us -- then that's their problem for being idiots.

Except it puts American mfgrs out of business, total employed drops by almost 10 million, deficits go through the roof, and on and on.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 01:29 PM (zxQ4h)

769 Congress should levy a 20% tax on all money sent to foreign bank accounts... half the illegals would leave and the rest would stay away.

Posted by: bryan h at November 21, 2014 01:30 PM (p7fam)

770 Oh...and don't you see this Prancercizer's move as a big ole fat DISTRACTION from: being Gruberized in his gruber on his legacy? For some smoke screen on ebola, upcoming fubar of Ferguson, ISIS, and the GOP freaking majority in Congress and his limp weasel showing? Benghazi hearings coming? IRS? THIS is his legacy of corruption. This.

Oh, let the transgender Mexicans celebrate today or something. Whatevah. It is not going to change what has been going on for over a decade as the borders are not secure. Ok. So, let's see what is coming, shall we? I mean, hold yer fire for now. Then hold some feet to the fire. There is not a damn thing Congress can do now under Reid. We have seen that. And the clock starts on January 3rd, I think. So, enjoy the holidays and stop this domino hand-wringing freak out before I start spanking you all.

I mean, come on. This was Barry's last stand in lame duck season. It has always been his agenda. Always. To stir the pot. To shame Americans. To do whatever he can to shock and awe.

I am no way in hell going to let this facial mole make me sad. No way am I going to grieve and declare this republic gone.


Posted by: ChristyBlinky haz no idea at November 21, 2014 01:31 PM (dMEBN)

771 Funny how many "conservatives" don't believe in free markets.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 01:31 PM (JtwS4)

772 The problem I see with the idea of not inviting him to the congress is that he would still deliver the speech at another forum: A very friendly one. It would be like the Democratic convention. Everyone would be cheering. It'd be almost like a Farewell/We Love You gathering. The media would swoon and say look the president doesn't need congress to inform the people about the state of the union. Ha ha! The Republicans took their ball and went home, so the president rented out a super bowl stadium ... OR not. Maybe it would be best not to invite him. I do agree having to sit there and allow the president preach to you about getting along while he's spitting in your face is tough to swallow. Reminds me of the time he invited Paul Ryan to hear him chastise him

Posted by: Backfire at November 21, 2014 01:31 PM (t4SgY)

773 If you want to know whether Free Trade is good or bad....ask yourself is the country better off economically today than it was in 1994 when NAFTA was signed?

Obviously there are more factors at play. But I think it's fair to say that right around the mid 90s is when the decay of the American economy truly started.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:31 PM (0LHZx)

774 Posted by: BCochran1981 wonders what's in your closet at November 21, 2014 01:27 PM (da5Wo)

Had to check it out....(sigh)....I thought an entry from the video's comment section summed it up well:

"How do I explain this? I couldn't stop watching, whatever the fuck that was... and I have the weirdest boner right now. "

Posted by: 1bulwetweft - DOOM on the fifth Monday of the week at November 21, 2014 01:32 PM (JkmfQ)

775 771 Funny how many "conservatives" don't believe in free markets.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 01:31 PM (JtwS4)

_________

Oh I believe in free markets. What many conservatives don't understand is that a "free trade" deal with China isn't "free trade" at all since they cheat like mother fuckers. It's like saying let's play a football game but China gets 2 extra men on the field every down. I say, I don't like that idea. You say: why do you hate football?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:32 PM (0LHZx)

776 Slamming the Door on the King
http://tinyurl.com/pvwfe23

Though not inviting the president would be an unprecedented congressional response to unprecedented presidential acts, such symbolic protests to usurpations are not without precedent in our Anglo-American tradition.

Posted by: My Sisters' Brother at November 21, 2014 01:33 PM (z+50N)

777 Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 01:29 PM (zxQ4h)

Lot more reasons than Free Trade agreements that caused the decline in manufacturing. Free Trade just shined the light on those problems.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 01:33 PM (o0mD3)

778 I recommend taking an econ class or two.
This really is econ 101 stuff.
The benefits of free trade are one of the few things that almost all economists agree on.


I'm sure that every America hating econ prof agrees with you. Free trade with 1.2 billion communists -- what could go wrong?

Yeah it did go wrong.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 01:33 PM (zxQ4h)

779 Except it puts American mfgrs out of business, total employed drops by almost 10 million, deficits go through the roof, and on and on.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 01:29 PM (zxQ4h)

_________

But you get to buy 6 pairs of Chinese made socks for $1.99....it's a good trade.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:33 PM (0LHZx)

780 They will provide work authorization cards to these people for 3 years. That is not in dispute by anyone but you.

Posted by: deadrody at November 21, 2014 01:28 PM (W15tP)

Well, sir/ma'am, from what I have read, honey, this won't happen until 2015 when the GOP is in the majority.

I have a dream that I weigh what I did in college. This does not mean that I will see those numbers again on the scale. I stand with Jimbo. Bite moi.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky haz no idea at November 21, 2014 01:34 PM (dMEBN)

781 778 I recommend taking an econ class or two.
This really is econ 101 stuff.
The benefits of free trade are one of the few things that almost all economists agree on.

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I took a couple of those in my Finance undergrad and my MBA.

And yes all economists agree trade is good. But trade agreements with a partner that continually cheats is not good.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:35 PM (0LHZx)

782 The fur is going to fly when the new congress is seated! Within the R party, that is. Dems will sit back and laugh.
Posted by: Meremortal at November 21, 2014 01:27 PM (wZ3EP)


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That's okay. It's going to have to be done some time or another. We might even get the split with the GOPe that we've been wanting. No one said that any of this was going to be a day at the beach.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 01:37 PM (jkeQO)

783 But you get to buy 6 pairs of Chinese made socks for $1.99....it's a good trade.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 21, 2014 01:33 PM (0LHZx)


And you buy three times as many of them because they fall apart in a few months!

But hey, they're cheaper!

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2014 01:37 PM (oFCZn)

784 I am unaware of any approach to "managed trade" of any kind in which the abuse of the process by domestic interests would not cancel out any benefits by a factor of 10,000-to-1.

So "free trade" regimes, while rife with problems, are almost surely better for the greatest numbers of Americans.

I will never again buy any US-sourced dry pasta. Look back some years and review the outrageous and ridiculous attempt by US pasta makers to limit imports for no reason other than to steal our money. F**k them.

If you haven't witnessed the corruption and theft (from the whole country) that makes up 95% of "trade" related lobbying etc. in the Beltway, you have no idea what you think you support when you oppose "free" trade.

The analogy to having a national GOSPLAN (Soviet planning agency) if various economic interests are allowed to decide instead of competition deciding is completely appropriate.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 01:38 PM (afQnV)

785 Yeah. That took care of the oh sure we read it responses.
Posted by: alexthechick - Cookies are to the right, glitter to the left at November 21, 2014 01:10 PM


When I was still but a young company grade officer, I used to sneak stuff like that into my OER support form, just to see if anyone was actually reading it.

Stole a line from Dilbert one year and said that one of my goals was to evolve into pure energy and exist on a higher plane. At eval time, I noted that I had failed in that goal, but had been noticing increasing static cling, so I counted that as progress. I'd never seen the XO laugh harder.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 21, 2014 01:39 PM (knoK7)

786 Lot more reasons than Free Trade agreements that caused the decline in manufacturing. Free Trade just shined the light on those problems.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 01:33 PM (o0mD3)


Agreed. Like unions. They once had a purpose when working in a factory really was a dangerous thing, but like everything else in life they became corrupted and stomped the life out of industry.

It wasn't like no one knew what was going on. Everyone knew the mafia was balls deep in them decades ago.

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at November 21, 2014 01:40 PM (oFCZn)

787 Anyone want to point out to me the Chinese equivalents of the EPA, OSHA, state and local regs, WAGE AND HOUR laws, INSURANCE, and on and on?

It was never a level playing field.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 01:41 PM (zxQ4h)

788 Except it puts American mfgrs out of business, total employed drops by almost 10 million, deficits go through the roof, and on and on. Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 01:29 PM (zxQ4h)

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It wasn't NAFTA or foreign government subsidized products that put manufacturers out of business in this country. It was our government's regulations, high corporate taxes, and, of course, unions.

Posted by: Soona at November 21, 2014 01:43 PM (jkeQO)

789 Whether you are worker in an industry that cannot compete, an overpaid public sector unionized employee (incl. police and fire), or a Dem bundler ripping off the taxpayer for millions in some absurd "green" energy venture, you are stealing from me and everybody else.

But remember if economics doesn't guarantee MY job or security, then it must be wrong. Only "America-hating econ professors" could possibly oppose MY particular welfare-carve-out.

I've lost my job numerous times due to world events, also known as reality.Tough, deal with it. Stealing your neighbor's money via "managed trade" to secure your own situation is no way to go through life, son.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 01:44 PM (afQnV)

790 787 Anyone want to point out to me the Chinese equivalents of the EPA, OSHA, state and local regs, WAGE AND HOUR laws, INSURANCE, and on and on?

It was never a level playing field.
Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 01:41 PM (zxQ4h)

I would agree that China needs a little more of these things and we need a lot less.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 21, 2014 01:48 PM (o0mD3)

791
I've lost my job numerous times due to world events, also known as reality.Tough, deal with it. Stealing your neighbor's money via "managed trade" to secure your own situation is no way to go through life, son.

Cut. Jib. etc.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 01:49 PM (JtwS4)

792 If there ever "level playing fields" in economics then there would never be change or evolution.

Why isn't there a citrus industry in Alaska? Or a fishing industry in Utah?

There are injustices and cheating in trade. And the injustices and distortions that arise from the corrupt looting that goes by the name "managed trade" dwarf these by, as noted, a factor of 10,000-to-1. Guarangoshdarnteed.

And put aside the whining about price differentials. As the US auto industry was imploding in the 80s, their main competition was quite a bit pricier. Hell, there were waiting lists for Honda Accords. Waiting lists.

Pernicious taxing and regulation are the main thing that need to be attacked to "help" domestic industry (not "helping" - just not harming, key gigantic central defining distinction ......)

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 01:51 PM (afQnV)

793 I have a better idea. Invite him as usual but follow the lead of Antonin Scalia, Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Sonia Sotamayor. The entire GOP delegation should just not attend.

Posted by: Marshall at November 21, 2014 01:52 PM (80ofp)

794 Stealing your neighbor's money via "managed trade" to secure your own situation is no way to go through life, son.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 01:44 PM (afQnV)
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Managed trade in one form or another did quite well for these settlements from 1650 to 1945. Less managed trade since then has produced somewhat less impressive results. History. Deal with it.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 21, 2014 01:53 PM (z27Ny)

795 let him show up in Congress, and have the bailiffs arrest him for contempt of Congress....

yeah, like Boner Mitch-elle have the testosterone to do anything other than roll over play dead.

elections have consequences, and those two pussies aren't going to do anything...

i blame the other GOPe pussies for protecting their own in reelecting them instead of doing what was best for the country and installing new leadership, instead of the leadershit that's been so ineffective the last 6 years.

RINOs suck..

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 21, 2014 01:55 PM (Vha1U)

796 Like you a lot Drew, but this is a time for statesmanship, not pettiness. We need big, meaningful moves rooted in the Constitution - not petulance.

And this: "Boehner and McConnell may not want to want to take Obama on over
immigration but they should be heavily invested in protecting the power
of the legislature to make laws" .

This is what bugs me. It is painfully obvious that they don't *want* true power, because with that power comes responsibility. The only thing GOP leaders are worried about is that Obama's move will give all the credit for amnesty to the Democrats - so they are going to create a kabuki play where they will end up passing thousands of pages of comprehensive immigration BS so they can get their fair share of the credit with Latino-vote activists....

Long term, Obama set a dangerous precedent that establishes the foundation and first floor of the new Imperial Presidency. Going forward both parties will further concentrate power in the massive, unaccountable Executive Branch.

Congress will be free to tax/print and redistribute trillions to reward cronies and to throw to the massive and now rapidly growing (Thank You Obama!) government-dependent underclass voter farm to keep them in power.

Posted by: DrDeano at November 21, 2014 01:55 PM (NXgTz)

797 How about the next GOP President "modifies" Barry's lifetime Secret Service protection....by ya know...not giving him any.

Posted by: bif at November 21, 2014 01:55 PM (FKXeO)

798 Marshall, not a bad idea.

Anyway, I reiterate my initial reaction that this idea is a good one.

People are always whining that one cannot break through the media blackout/distortion filter.

Nonsense. Not even hard to do - but you have to try to find out. This SOTU stunt is an excellent example of a small symbolic stunt that will grab public attention. And how much would the GOP or republic suffer from the spectacle of a Congress dissing a president over an unacceptable power grab on an issue where the public solidily backs the "anti" position?

That's what I thought.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 01:57 PM (afQnV)

799 I would agree that China needs a little more of these things and we need a lot less.

A 'little' more? Going from zero to anything approaching how hamstrung American manufacturers were at the end would take them 50 years to accomplish. But it's okay for China to pollute their air and water, force people to work in (at best) sweat-shop conditions, work at a state established wage because Econ 101.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 01:57 PM (zxQ4h)

800 RioBravo, your comment is pristinely counter-factual, and makes no sense. Post-war prosperity and dominance were due to "managed trade"? Declines since have been due to trade, not secular trends in American labor, management, and regulatory environment, and the rise of quality foreign competition?

Anyone thinking they support managed trade has not the slightest idea how things actually work in this area in DC.

Everyone for managed trade should be forced to drive a Gremlin.

But debating people who simply want more $$$ for themselves defines a futile task, so I'm of to clean the Mosin Nagant and Smith ampersand Wesson from yesterday's range day .......

Posted by: rhomboid at November 21, 2014 02:05 PM (afQnV)

801 Funny how many "conservatives" don't believe in free markets.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 21, 2014 01:31 PM (JtwS4)
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Funny how many 'conservatives' have nothing they are interesting in conserving. (Environment, the Nation, American traditions, living standards - all is available for creative destruction)

Posted by: RioBravo at November 21, 2014 02:13 PM (z27Ny)

802 "prosecutorial discretion"?

OK ... how about some "Compliance Discretion"?

after all, there are WAY too many laws for me to be able to be in compliance with ALL of them, so i'll just prioritise the ones i feel are the most important.

it would be too onerous to abide by them All.

Posted by: Waldo at November 21, 2014 02:14 PM (M1MpJ)

803 RioBravo, your comment is pristinely counter-factual, and makes no sense. Post-war prosperity and dominance were due to "managed trade"?
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Actually I said up to 1945. Perhaps you should read the comment.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 21, 2014 02:14 PM (z27Ny)

804 But debating people who simply want more $$$ for themselves defines a futile task, so I'm of to clean the Mosin Nagant and Smith ampersand Wesson from yesterday's range day .......

I made my millions, thank you very much. Got out while the getting was good. Sit quite comfortably in a million dollar home on a bunch of acres. Debating the products of left-leaning college professors who never got their hands dirty a day in their life or accumulated any wealth to prove their acumen on the subject.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at November 21, 2014 02:16 PM (zxQ4h)

805 If you want symbolism how about a Joint Resolution declaring the President outside the lawful Constitution and failing to faithfully execute the laws, swiftly followed by Articles of Impeachment?

Which reminds me how much I hate the fake folksiness with which Dear Leader addresses what used to be spoken of in precise terms, such as whether something was "within the law" or "unconstitutional"

To his discredit, Boehner follows along the same path with his "The president had said before that he's not king and he's not an emperor," Boehner says. "But he's sure acting like one."

Trading quips may be the new hawtness in debates, but to make The Debate the country is or now should be having about sound bites and quips reduces everthing to the kind of rhetorical mush that is Obama's natural habitat, and necessary cover for political survival.

When faced with an epic word weasel and fake populist like Obamster, you need to call him out on specifics, call bullshit. Say "this is not a question of compassion, or wisdom, but that our whole Constitution requires that laws passed by Congress be faithfully executed by the President, and a President who claims he does not have to do that is not following our Constitution, and is imposing dictatorial powers to make law on the American people. Our forebears literally fought a revolution to enshrine the principal of rule of law, that the President now rejects, in violation of his oath."

Then impeach.

Posted by: NYC Parent at November 21, 2014 02:36 PM (HEo6y)

806 It's time to end birthright citizenship once and for all.

Posted by: the other coyote at November 21, 2014 02:40 PM (yK44T)

807 I like it, but it needs to be just one stroke in the beating.

Posted by: creeper at November 21, 2014 02:47 PM (QsrJt)

808 I would do the opposite: invite him, and when he shows up slap handcuffs on the mfer and throw his arse in prison, then try him for treason. That'll show the SOB.

Posted by: Pickled Marvin at November 21, 2014 02:47 PM (o4296)

809 That's not a bad idea.

A better idea would be to invite him, but assign all like-minded congressman an order by which they could stand and shout "You Lie" after every sentence.

We know that they would in fact be correct - since every sentence will be a lie. I'd place a bet he wouldn't get more than 20 sentences in before breaking down into a weeping heap of tears or a murderous rage.

Posted by: Borticus at November 21, 2014 02:55 PM (yEXIp)

810 Ha...Ha...Ha. President Obama has made fool of you clowns again !!!!

Posted by: Jenny Dunstan-Cline at November 21, 2014 02:58 PM (Sd++4)

811 "When faced with an epic word weasel and fake populist like Obamster, you need to call him out on specifics, call bullshit. "

Both approaches are needed, but they can't come from the same person. The problem in the American system is that whoever agrees to act as the Great Statesman of the Party is volunteering never to be the actual boss, and nobody can bring themselves to do that.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 21, 2014 03:09 PM (pYEaj)

812 "A better idea would be to invite him, but assign all like-minded congressman an order by which they could stand and shout "You Lie" after every sentence. "

"HEIL" has more oomph.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 21, 2014 03:10 PM (pYEaj)

813 "Managed trade in one form or another did quite well for these settlements from 1650 to 1945. Less managed trade since then has produced somewhat less impressive results. History. Deal with it.
Posted by: RioBravo at November 21, 2014 01:53 PM (z27Ny)"

If I remember my Kennedy correctly, from about 1870 to the Great War, the United States was the greatest steel producer on earth, but only about fourth in exports, because we consumed our own production.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 21, 2014 03:13 PM (pYEaj)

814 "How about the next GOP President "modifies" Barry's lifetime Secret Service protection....by ya know...not giving him any."

Already enacted during the Bush years.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 21, 2014 03:16 PM (pYEaj)

815 Boehner and McConnell are talking out of the side of their mouths. They couldn't be more tickled at Obama's amnesty proposal -- they get the amnesty they've wanted all along without any of the dirt sticking to their fingers. Neither are (apparently) intelligent enough to realize that this was a gauntlet thrown down by "Dear Leader" and since he's apparently getting away with it now he'll try other 'transformational' EOs in the near future.

Posted by: rabidfox at November 21, 2014 04:09 PM (COIkl)

816 I love the idea. The media and Democrat establishment (BIRMS) would respond like a zoo full of poo-flinging howler monkeys, but fuck 'em. I'm past the point of caring.

Posted by: ericinva at November 21, 2014 04:16 PM (WeUsC)

817 Don't be so petty.

Let Obama speak. Roll out the red carpet. Put kegs on the floor and make a big event of it.

But ban cameras. No TV coverage, no one in the gallery without a ticket, press passes suspended for the day.


Posted by: Adjoran at November 21, 2014 04:25 PM (QIQ6j)

818 I love it. There's no way they should let that man in their house.


I just forget if it's before the new Congress takes office.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 21, 2014 05:09 PM (/q6+P)

819 To hell with TFG. He can give the SOTU from Mexico. I like the defunding and nomination blocking ideas. Start impeaching some judges and appointees and work your way up to El Jeffe himself. Rip apart Obamacare and begin repeal. Strike fear into the Democrats' hearts leading up to 2016.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 21, 2014 10:07 PM (AO8vr)

820 I do like the idea of this: "I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part."

But maybe a better way to go is to do the State of the Union on Congress' terms. Just because Woodrow Wilson started this in 1914, doesn't mean we need to too. I say the President's actions and the Senate use of the Nuclear action have already broken traditional rules.

First invite the president and agree to a 35 min time slot. Next the Sargent at arms announces the president to Start at 8:00 end at 8:35. If the president runs over, treat him like the oscars and the Stars and Stripes plays over his mic.. Every other American is expected to show up and finish on tIme, so can the president. It also, wouldn't hurt if their was an unfortunate teleprompter malfunction.
Second, the president is invited to remain in the chamber and listens to the congressional response. No glad handing and joyfull back slapping showing what a great guy he is as he heads to the entrance. Why would the Republicans Give him this free time? If he wants to leave early let it be out the back door. Why the Republican Congress would give the President their Chamber, then give their own speach from the back Den under bad lights? My guess is he stays, and looks pissed.
Third, the Repunlicans give their response. Laying out that we have had one (?) budget passed by the Dem. senate in the last 6 years. No wonder the government runs on continuing resolutions and shut downs. Highlight that president and his admin sold ACA on lies (Gruber, you can keep it if you like it). And address unlawfully executive orders. His own quote may be sufficient, but when it comes to his immigration order, address the facts that affect both immigrants and Americans. Like in 6 years the BLS says 5 million jobs have been created. The President just gave out 5 million green cards. Who does he propose is going to do these jobs? And how does that help the problem of continuing falling wages and minority unemployment while the top One Percent have profited to a degree that the Gilded age barons would blush. Point out that both Republicans and Dems what to help Americans, but the Presudent cannot "go it alone". I think I heard that somewhere during the Bush administration.

A stupid gesture would be fun, but maybe there is a better way to treat a narcissist. At the same time maybe they can highlight 6 years of no budgets from the Dems, unlawfull executive orders, and various foreign excursions without authorization. We are going to start following the rules and we are starting with this meeting.

Posted by: Pthomsas at November 22, 2014 10:54 AM (tkI0p)

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