Yes, Congress Can Defund Amnesty

A follow up to my post on ways the GOP can fight Obama's amnesty.

Earlier a staffer with the House Appropriations committee said that they couldn't defund amnesty because Customs and Immigration Services isn't funded by the annual appropriations bill.

Sean Davis of the Federalist and former congressional staffer tweeted to me this was wrong. He's now written a post calling BS on the claim that Congress doesn't actually have "the power of the purse" over amnesty.

They’re correct that USCIS spending is funded primarily by fees collected by the agency, and that the spending is mandatory, rather than discretionary. That means that USCIS does not need annual authorizations to use those fees to offset expenses. This is actually written into the 1882 law establishing the fees and the authority of the federal government to spend them:
[Follow link to see excerpt from the law]
The only thing that differentiates mandatory and discretionary spending is how often each must be re-authorized. Every single dollar spent by the federal government must be first appropriated by Congress. Just because some spending is not subject to annual appropriation doesn’t mean it’s not subject to appropriation at all. Congress can’t block Obama’s executive order by shutting down the government, but it most certainly can defund it by law.

So yeah, don't buy the "we can't do anything about it BS".

Sorry for the earlier confusion.

Posted by: DrewM. at 01:09 PM

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1 So announce you're doing it exactly 1 minute after Obama's little Amnesty/Mexico Revolution Day show!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 12:28 PM (ABcz/)

2 Thank you for the clarification. I knew that was crap but I couldn't remember why off the top of my head.

Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 12:28 PM (mf5HN)

3 Unfortunately it doesn't matter. It's all just words. A law is just a bunch of words. The GOPe can defund every damn thing it wants, but it'll do no good. Obama will just carry on merrily breaking the law and daring the GOP to not send out the paychecks.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at November 20, 2014 12:28 PM (4df7R)

4 If you really wanna piss him off, take away his gas money for Air Force One.

Posted by: tu3031 at November 20, 2014 12:28 PM (i0wGQ)

5 Next year's budget:

$0.00 dollars.

Posted by: EC at November 20, 2014 12:28 PM (GQ8sn)

6 I get done at 3pm today. I will commence drinking at immediately following. I'm so done with both sides. Until we have a House and Senate full of Cruzs, Lees, Gowdys and Sessions, I don't see much changing. I really thought I would be another 20+ years into my life before I saw all of the crap that has happened in the past 6 years....

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at November 20, 2014 12:29 PM (LMKjz)

7 Imagine were the positions reversed the massive shitstorm that the Democrats would be calling up. And they would get their way.

No damn way that nothing can be done by the GOP.

They do not want to do anything; and they will not until they are forced to or someone takes their place.

This is the problem.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 20, 2014 12:29 PM (NJVms)

8 ...or defund the golf course at Andrews AFB.

Posted by: tu3031 at November 20, 2014 12:29 PM (i0wGQ)

9 I'm still kinda confused.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 12:31 PM (ZPrif)

10 Please explain to me why I should follow the law and be a good and productive citizen, while my fellow man is not expected to do the same thing?

PLEASE!

Because I actually want to be these things.

But I want everyone else to do so also. It what we used to call 'civilization'. And it's a nice thing to have.

We are losing it.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 20, 2014 12:32 PM (NJVms)

11 "but it most certainly can defund it by law."

Yeah, but those ball-less twits won't dare. CoC-suckers they be.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 20, 2014 12:32 PM (LA7Cm)

12
More evidence da Zero is looking out for us.
http://tinyurl.com/o8utqy4

Posted by: maddogg at November 20, 2014 12:33 PM (xWW96)

13 NAACP are such dicks.

National Review @NRO 2m
.@NAACP has yet to acknowledge Scott, Love, and Hurd - now America's three most powerful elected black Republicans. http://natl.re/1vt7U7x

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 12:33 PM (ZPrif)

14 Is tonight the night El Presidente of stuttering uhs announces English will henceforth be the secondary language of the US?

Posted by: 2L at November 20, 2014 12:33 PM (TaO1J)

15 " Please explain to me why I should follow the law and be a good and productive citizen, while my fellow man is not expected to do the same thing?"

It's a troubling time.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 20, 2014 12:34 PM (LA7Cm)

16 So Obama won't be on major networks, just telemundo ... then the next day Ferguson will take over the narrative for a week.

Posted by: Illiniwek at November 20, 2014 12:35 PM (jNPeT)

17 "http://tinyurl.com/o8utqy4"

I don't know if I can stand much more good news....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 20, 2014 12:36 PM (LA7Cm)

18 This can still be reacted against. Don't buy from them, sell to them, deal with them, talk to them, or rescue their kids from traffic.

If I'm going to get pilloried as a bigot I might as well earn it.

Posted by: Secundus, half potato eater at November 20, 2014 12:36 PM (Ao7gs)

19 it's war, we got to fight back. If gop doesn't then whatever man.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 20, 2014 12:36 PM (Gysa/)

20 Contact Speaker Boehner.

http://www.speaker.gov/Contact/

Posted by: RickZ at November 20, 2014 12:37 PM (8GQ0X)

21 Teh repubs can defund it after all? Oh, well, we've got it made in the shade then. No worries here. I'm sure Boehner and McConnell are feverishly working on this gambit as we speak.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2014 12:37 PM (4jDmb)

22 Already mewling that they can't do anything, are they?

What a surprise.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 20, 2014 12:39 PM (oFCZn)

23 If the Democrats are the only ones who can get anything done, why should I vote for Republicans?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 20, 2014 12:40 PM (oFCZn)

24 by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 20, 2014 12:32 PM

We need tax dollars to print naturalization papers and fill EBT cards, gringa. Pay up.

Posted by: Secundus, half potato eater at November 20, 2014 12:40 PM (Ao7gs)

25 Why do I see WSJ ad? Don't you know we are Yahoo wing of Republican party? The editors wrote that last week & I cancelled my subscription over that.

I think congress has to stop funding!

Hal Rogers will make lots of money from amnesty!

Posted by: Carol at November 20, 2014 12:41 PM (2u0vC)

26
Congress can pass legislation to defund it, but they'd need a veto-proof margin to make it law.

That means you need some Dems who are more loyal to their institution and its prerogatives than to the whims of the twittersphere. So...

anything good on TV?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 20, 2014 12:41 PM (JtwS4)

27 My big question:

MRS. CLINTON, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF PRESIDENT OBAMA'S UNPRECEDENTED USURPATION OF CONGRESS'S POWERS?

Why aren't her feet being held to the fire over this?

Posted by: Smallish Bees at November 20, 2014 12:41 PM (YPgXi)

28
NAACP are such dicks.

National Review @NRO 2m

.@NAACP has yet to acknowledge Scott, Love, and Hurd - now America's
three most powerful elected black Republicans. http://natl.re/1vt7U7x

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 12:33 PM (ZPrif)
Not if Don Lemon has anything to do with it.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 20, 2014 12:42 PM (Knixy)

29
There will probably be quite a run on Taxpayer funded Obamaphones tomorrow.

Posted by: maddogg at November 20, 2014 12:42 PM (xWW96)

30 daring the GOP to not send out the paychecks.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at November 20, 2014 12:28 PM (4df7R)

Consider it done. Paychecks for the military. Otherwise, pfft.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:43 PM (oKE6c)

31 I have given up hope that anyone with any influence will do a thing to stop this. Obama will decree amnesty.Then, one minute after the announcement is made, Schumer will start whining that it is unfair that these people now are legal and aren't allowed to vote. The GOP will solemnly nod their heads in unison and go along with it.

Game over. I was born in freedom and I will die a slave. I knew that the day America elected Barack Obama.

Goodbye America. I loved you, and I will miss you for the rest of my life.

Posted by: Nancy at November 20, 2014 12:43 PM (iQoIE)

32 Watching this play out is giving me he same sick feeling I had watching 2012 election day results. Just tells me something in this country has fundamentally changed in the people and that is the only reason this insanity is possible and continues, despite the midterm elections.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 20, 2014 12:43 PM (1BQGO)

33 If Obama said he was only providing amnesty for "hot Latinas" I could overlook the Constitutional breach.

But we all know the amnesty will go to 400 pound esses.

Posted by: wooga at November 20, 2014 12:43 PM (YAVyP)

34 Is Belize nice this time of year?

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2014 12:44 PM (4jDmb)

35 16 So Obama won't be on major networks, just telemundo ... then the next day Ferguson will take over the narrative for a week.
Posted by: Illiniwek at November 20, 2014 12:35 PM (jNPeT)

And Univision, but not the alphabet networks. It's the most shameless ploy I've heard in a long time.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:44 PM (oKE6c)

36 I am getting hair done & music is on. I wonder what Rush is saying?

Posted by: Carol at November 20, 2014 12:46 PM (2u0vC)

37 20 Contact Speaker Boehner.
http://www.speaker.gov/Contact/
Posted by: RickZ at November 20, 2014 12:37 PM (8GQ0X)

If he wasn't spurred to action by the tax on tanning beds, this isn't even going to budge the needle.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2014 12:46 PM (oKE6c)

38 Watching this play out is giving me he same sick feeling I had watching 2012 election day results. Just tells me something in this country has fundamentally changed in the people and that is the only reason this insanity is possible and continues, despite the midterm elections.
Posted by: George Orwell at November 20, 2014 12:43 PM (1BQGO)

------------------------------------------

It's like watching the wing of the plane you're flying in start falling apart and then the wing finally buckles and disintigrates.

I've known since Bubba Clinton's election and then re-election that the"American way of life" was being weakened. Then November 6, 2012 happened.....and the wing finally buckled.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2014 12:50 PM (4jDmb)

39 "Just tells me something in this country has
fundamentally changed in the people and that is the only reason this
insanity is possible and continues, despite the midterm elections.

Posted by: George Orwell at"

This is the real problem. Not Obama personally.
The
people elected this shitstain, twice. Your neighbors, the people next
to you in line for groceries, your co-workers. They are voting to rob
you of your liberty and your money.
Better say thank you comrade, with a smile on your face.
Just sayin.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 20, 2014 12:51 PM (2cjR7)

40 I'm really confused at this point.

I'm not sure if this is the right hand not paying attention to the left (ISIS crisis vs Amnesty) or if the whole amnesty gig is designed as the final nail in the coffin of the Republic.

Quite obviously, there is no political capital to be gained or lost through amnesty. And I don't get the optics of this move, other than putting the coins in the eyes of the republic.

Posted by: Bacon Kevin at November 20, 2014 12:53 PM (WuGBT)

41 Just pass a law making whatever shaky legal justification for his action clearly illegal. Dems readthe polls, and I think you could get 60 votes.

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at November 20, 2014 12:56 PM (/EkKm)

42 Work on an immigration bill that simply states that naturalization status for exisiting illegals is entirely dependent on the effectiveness of preventing further illegal immigration. He wants a million naturalized? Fine - he has to deport 1 million first, and get illegal immigration below 50,000 per year.

At that point he can't claim there is no plan and he has to act himself. It also ruins any potential defense he might have in court.

Posted by: Dr. McCoy at November 20, 2014 01:02 PM (/EkKm)

43 31
Game over. I was born in freedom and I will die a slave. I knew that the day America elected Barack Obama.

Goodbye America. I loved you, and I will miss you for the rest of my life.

Posted by: Nancy at November 20, 2014 12:43 PM (iQoIE)

Yes, this exactly. The night he was elected I said, "Now I know how the non-Nazi German citizens felt in 1933."

Shortly thereafter I remember seeing a photo of a tombstone photoshopped with "America: July 4, 1776 - November 4, 2008".

The country really did die that night. Every thing since has just been the rotting and festering of the corpse.

Posted by: rickl at November 20, 2014 01:02 PM (zoehZ)

44 "Quite obviously, there is no political capital to be gained or lost
through amnesty. And I don't get the optics of this move, other than
putting the coins in the eyes of the republic."

This is payback
to the Hispanic groups and media for their unwavering support the past 6
years. They don't particularly like Obama but are using him to get
what they want: a new Hispanic country. Remember that interview by
Jorge Ramos where he unexpectedly started to grill Obama, including
about Fast and Furious? That was a warning shot they they could easily
turn on him and ruin him. "We know who and what you are and what you
are doing. You do as we say or we pull the trigger." Few people really
understand the message that was being sent, although Obama and his
handlers clearly did.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 20, 2014 01:03 PM (1BQGO)

45

For almost twenty years Congress has lied to the American people,
promising to control the border and stop employment of illegals then acting
like a shell game operator and doing
neither.

Until the border is closed and real roadblocks are put in
place to stop employment of illegal aliens are put in place any attempt to legalize
the illegals here is just government spitting in our face.

Comprehensive immigration reform is just a code word for
legalizing illegals and letting everything else disappear down the road.

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Posted by: John at November 20, 2014 01:04 PM (7LzcG)

46 WHOMP!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 20, 2014 01:04 PM (+GmxD)

47

For almost twenty years Congress has lied to the American people,
promising to control the border and stop employment of illegals then acting
like a shell game operator and doing
neither.

Until the border is closed and real roadblocks are put in
place to stop employment of illegal aliens are put in place any attempt to legalize
the illegals here is just government spitting in our face.

Comprehensive immigration reform is just a code word for
legalizing illegals and letting everything else disappear down the road.

Now Obama is going to push the powers of the presidency even
more and give us in effect legalization by executive fiat.

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Posted by: John at November 20, 2014 01:04 PM (7LzcG)

48 John, Barrel.

Barrel, John.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 20, 2014 01:05 PM (+GmxD)

49 For almost twenty years Congress has lied to the American people, promising to control the border and stop employment of illegals then acting like a shell game operator and doing neither.

Until the border is closed and real roadblocks are put in place to stop employment of illegal aliens are put in place any attempt to legalize the illegals here is just government spitting in our face.

Comprehensive immigration reform is just a code word for legalizing illegals and letting everything else disappear down the road.
Now Obama is going to push the powers of the presidency even more and give us in effect legalization by executive fiat.

Posted by: John at November 20, 2014 01:05 PM (7LzcG)

50 "John" - you pasting this at a lot of sites today?
The Barrel awaits....

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 01:05 PM (ABcz/)

51 John, I want you inside me.

Posted by: The Barrel at November 20, 2014 01:06 PM (DrWcr)

52
The barrel is a dark place. BTDT.
AND the un-enstompenating.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 20, 2014 01:06 PM (Knixy)

53 Guess we can expect a lot of Axe's/OFA's trolls or concern trolls over the next few days?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 01:07 PM (ABcz/)

54 Defund, huh? How about we defund the Secret Service?

The SchutzStaffel are loyal, Type A tough guys, so I'm sure they'll work for free.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 20, 2014 01:07 PM (Dhdnu)

55 New hash. With the internet troubles I've had today, our network MUST be kin to Pixy.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 20, 2014 01:07 PM (Knixy)

56 It's deja vu all over again.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 20, 2014 01:08 PM (ZKzrr)

57 Do we call it a double barrel when that happens?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2014 01:08 PM (L6lkG)

58 Life without parole in the barrel John

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 20, 2014 01:08 PM (6/J77)

59 All together now....

Bye bye Mss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levy but the levy was dry
And the moron horde were drinking whiskey and rye
Singin' this is the day our Republic died
This is the day our Republic died. ...

Posted by: ginaswo at November 20, 2014 01:08 PM (+X1qa)

60 Ugh, the worst part is that being a reflexively positive and optimistic person, I'll maintain some cruel gremlin of hope that the incoming Congress will roll this back. That'll take MONTHS. Can't we just get to despair and burning times without all this stalling?

Posted by: shillelagh at November 20, 2014 01:08 PM (hRzu2)

61
For you veteran Morons, is there a barrel inside the barrel?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 20, 2014 01:09 PM (Knixy)

62 So congress can bite the budget's dick?

Posted by: Don Lemon at November 20, 2014 01:09 PM (MNq6o)

63 Seal border first!

Posted by: Carol at November 20, 2014 01:09 PM (2u0vC)

64 Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 20, 2014 12:51 PM (2cjR7)

Yep. Fuck the lot of them. I have very few left-leaning friends anymore for that very reason. Bunch of uninformed fucks you can't even hold a conversation with about current events (unless it's OMG GAY MARRIAGE 11!!!11!). Most of the shit they bitch and moan about is the exact same stuff they vote in favor of by pulling that Dem lever.

Gruber isn't wrong, they really are effing stupid.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 20, 2014 01:09 PM (5ZFPz)

65 61
For you veteran Morons, is there a barrel inside the barrel?
Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 20, 2014 01:09 PM (Knixy)

It's like Inception in here!

Posted by: The Barrel at November 20, 2014 01:09 PM (DrWcr)

66 Just can't post the whole comment

Posted by: John at November 20, 2014 01:10 PM (7LzcG)

67 Posted this comment originally in the wrong thread. Sorry!

Hugh Hewitt, of all people, makes some great points in his column at Townhall. The gist is that Obama is a lawless cheat and everybody knows that. Because of that fact, the illegals will know this is no "solution" to their problem, merely a temporary reprieve, and Congressional Democrats (who might give superficial support in the next few days) are really going to go right away into damage-control mode on these EO's.

Worst of all, from the Democrat perspective, is the future damage GOP Presidents will wreak on favored programs in the Environment, foreign policy, taxes, EEOC, Justice Department overreach, and on and on.

Posted by: MTF at November 20, 2014 01:10 PM (LISuA)

68 It strikes me that an agency, funded for the purpose of enforcing a set of laws, needs no funding when told that it should abrogate that responsibility.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at November 20, 2014 01:10 PM (XrGnJ)

69 I'm shocked that a man whose friend is the great patriot Bill Ayers can have so little respect for the law.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 01:10 PM (kXTY/)

70 Shut. It. Down.

Any senator or rep that supports this action is superfluous.

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2014 01:10 PM (Ua6T/)

71 NAACP are such dicks.

Posted by: Costanza Defense

The "P" is for Penises.

Posted by: The NAACP at November 20, 2014 01:11 PM (MNq6o)

72 You guys left me in the dick thread!!1

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi--is in the House! at November 20, 2014 01:11 PM (RJMhd)

73 So yeah, don't buy the "we can't do anything about it BS".

I don't.

What I buy is the "we don't want to do anything about it" TRUTH.

Posted by: Your Betters in Government at November 20, 2014 01:11 PM (zF6Iw)

74 Sure you can do something about it.

SUBMIT!

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 20, 2014 01:12 PM (fL/7/)

75 Ugh, the worst part is that being a reflexively positive and optimistic person, I'll maintain some cruel gremlin of hope that the incoming Congress will roll this back. That'll take MONTHS. Can't we just get to despair and burning times without all this stalling?
Posted by: shillelagh at November 20, 2014 01:08 PM (hRzu2)

Here. This should help:

http://youtu.be/UJtB55MaoD0

Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 01:12 PM (mf5HN)

76 Helloooooooo John!

Posted by: The Barrel at November 20, 2014 01:12 PM (JtwS4)

77 65,

Yo, I hear you like screwing up, so I put a barrel in your barrel so you can get fucked while you are getting fucked.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2014 01:13 PM (yCZVl)

78 For you veteran Morons, is there a barrel inside the barrel?

Posted by: Golfman in NC

No. But from 2-4pm there's an open Don Lemon Bar.

Posted by: Dang at November 20, 2014 01:13 PM (MNq6o)

79 I'm shocked that a man whose friend is the great patriot Bill Ayers can have so little respect for the law.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 01:10 PM (kXTY/)

Do you have any idea how much getting a cheese fry stuck in your nasal cavity hurts?

Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 01:13 PM (mf5HN)

80 No. But from 2-4pm there's an open Don Lemon Bar.
Posted by: Dang at November 20, 2014 01:13 PM (MNq6o)

I call it the Lemon Party.

Posted by: The Barrel at November 20, 2014 01:14 PM (DrWcr)

81 >>> It strikes me that an agency, funded for the purpose of enforcing a set of laws, needs no funding when told that it should abrogate that responsibility.

Well said.

Posted by: fluffy at November 20, 2014 01:14 PM (Ua6T/)

82 Seal border first!

-
Nanzi Pelosi says Obama's executive action is all about controlling the border. See WZ.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 01:14 PM (kXTY/)

83 From what I can see the Enemy Number One right now is Ted Cruz. From the GOP ruling class. Because #priorities.

Nauseating.

Posted by: Y-not, deluded loon at November 20, 2014 01:14 PM (wlPue)

84 "Defunding by law" is nothing--Obama will veto that bill.

Posted by: MHJ at November 20, 2014 01:15 PM (FZdvr)

85 Bill Cosby made me sit on his lap once.

Posted by: Chairman, House Appropriations Committee at November 20, 2014 01:15 PM (OZmbA)

86 GOPe will cave.... they WANT amnesty... they have said so time and again.

The Whigs ceased to exist as a political force in the US, because they lost the trust of their Base...

The base was saying one thing on Slavery, the leadership was impotent by design.... just like the modern GOPe...

They ceased to exist as a party, in eight years... with 1850's technology.

Just as the Declaration of Independence speaks about the consent of the Governed when speaking about government.... Political Parties MUST listen to their base... or like the Whigs, they will cease to exist.

Posted by: Romeo13, old whitey at November 20, 2014 01:16 PM (f0pWu)

87 Nope.

It's just Barrels.

... all the way down.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2014 01:16 PM (od1df)

88

I want to hear the GOP come out in force saying how they will do this.

We all seem to be talking to ourselves.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 01:16 PM (IXrOn)

89 amnesty's also unpopular with the latinos...so it's pretty rayciss for obama to pimp it to them. "hey, beaner, I'm opening the border so you pick lettuce here legal like" are the code words I am picking up from obama's racist white half.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 20, 2014 01:17 PM (Gysa/)

90 I will gladly defund you Tuesday, after your shitburger today.

Posted by: Wimpy GOPe at November 20, 2014 01:17 PM (nlPax)

91 Here. This should help:

http://youtu.be/UJtB55MaoD0
Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 01:12 PM (mf5HN)

You know me so well.

Posted by: shillelagh at November 20, 2014 01:17 PM (hRzu2)

92 There are nine circles of Barrel.

Posted by: Dante Alligheri at November 20, 2014 01:17 PM (JtwS4)

93 I don't think defunding an inaction stops an inaction.

Why would Obama need funds to have people--not do something?

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi--is in the House! at November 20, 2014 01:18 PM (RJMhd)

94 NAACP are such dicks.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 20, 2014 12:33 PM

Not sure which of the Horde came up with this, but it can't be said enough.

NAACCCP

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2014 01:18 PM (knoK7)

95 I may have missed it being explained somewhere, but I don't understand how the power of the purse works without the involvement of the President.

I don't see where Congress can rescind funding legally without an act that must be signed or vetoed by the President. If it's vetoed, the veto has to be overridden.

If Congress does only passes partial funding bills, the President and the MSM portray this as shutting down the government. And today and probably into next year, these bills will not reach the President's desk because they will always be one vote short of passing the Senate.

It looks like the MSM gives the President enormous power, because they always can slant this.

Is there really an end run that works. Is rescission without Presidential involvement doable?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 20, 2014 01:19 PM (zpZLP)

96 I want to hear the GOP come out in force saying how they will do this.

We all seem to be talking to ourselves.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 01:16 PM (IXrOn)

Well, somebody has to listen to us.

Though, frankly, I am reminded of the times I call Boy BFF and tell him that I don't want him to fix things, I want him to listen, and he says okay and then puts the phone down and goes off and does whatever while I rant.

Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 01:19 PM (mf5HN)

97 I'm going to need to add another circle of Hell for Obama....

Posted by: Satan at November 20, 2014 01:19 PM (PFjNT)

98 CONGRESS CAN DEFUND AMNESTY?

Posted by: Rev. Al Sharpton at November 20, 2014 01:20 PM (WDCYi)

99 Obama wants to stop deportation--how does he need funding to do that?

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi--is in the House! at November 20, 2014 01:20 PM (RJMhd)

100
NAACCCP

Heh.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 20, 2014 01:20 PM (JtwS4)

101 Nope.

It's just Barrels.

... all the way down.
Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2014 01:16 PM

In Obamerica, it's Barrels inside of Barrels inside of Barrels.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2014 01:20 PM (knoK7)

102 Double Barrel. John yanked both triggers.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 20, 2014 01:20 PM (GKxF1)

103
Listen to the BS of these idiots;

http://goo.gl/c5NS5S

Posted by: The Progs at November 20, 2014 01:21 PM (iQIUe)

104 "Defunding by law" is nothing--Obama will veto that bill.
Posted by: MHJ at November 20, 2014 01:15 PM (FZdvr)

There will not be a "defunding" bill for Amnesty. You can't "defund" a non action. You have defund everything else. And so here we go again with MY Idea

1) Only vote a continuing funding bill out of this Congressional Session till Feb or so

2) The Only Fund one department at a time with the New COngress starting with Defense

3) Let Fredo Veto those and let HIM be responsible for shutting the Gov Down

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2014 01:21 PM (M0mf2)

105 Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 20, 2014 01:19 PM (zpZLP)

The threat of the power of the purse, ONLY works in you have enough votes to over ride the Presidential Veto...

Which Repubs do not have.... and Dems will probably not roll over.... sooooo....

There is no power of the Purse... especially not with continuing resolutions....

Posted by: Romeo13, old whitey at November 20, 2014 01:21 PM (f0pWu)

106 Not sure which of the Horde came up with this, but it can't be said enough.

NAACCCP

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2014 01:18 PM (knoK7)

*head tilt; squinting* National Association for the Advancement of Colored Communist Cock-sucking People?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at November 20, 2014 01:21 PM (4df7R)

107 101,

In Ace Of Spades, you fuck barrel.

In Obama Empire, barrel fuck you!

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 20, 2014 01:21 PM (yCZVl)

108 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 01:22 PM (M1uf/)

109 They are already bungling excuses for why they are bowing before the God King Obama

Posted by: The Heretical Hat at November 20, 2014 01:22 PM (lN8KC)

110 Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2014 01:21 PM (M0mf2)

If I was speaker of the House.... I would point out that the Senate HAS all the appropriation bills...

They just need to be voted on.

The ONLY reason for a continuing resolution, is Harry Reid...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2014 01:23 PM (f0pWu)

111 *head tilt; squinting* National Association for the Advancement of Colored Communist Cock-sucking People?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at November 20, 2014 01:21 PM

Cut. Jib. Newsletter...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2014 01:23 PM (knoK7)

112 "I don't see where Congress can rescind funding legally without an act that must be signed or vetoed by the President. If it's vetoed, the veto has to be overridden. "

The executive can't spend anything unless and until the legislature authorizes it. The executive's veto power acts to strangle his own administration. He can veto a particular authorization to demand an amendment; the legal effect is to deny himself funding. The funding is denied, unless it is approved.

This assumes the legislature will remove the executive if it proceeds to issue promissory notes and drafts without authorization.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 01:23 PM (pYEaj)

113 In Ace Of Spades, you fuck barrel.

Not even with your dick.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 01:23 PM (M1uf/)

114

Though, frankly, I am reminded of the times I call Boy BFF and tell him that I don't want him to fix things, I want him to listen, and he says okay and then puts the phone down and goes off and does whatever while I rant.

Obligatory. White Men Can't Jump:

http://youtu.be/rV37oPF95_s

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 20, 2014 01:23 PM (JtwS4)

115 This is crucial to Obama because the La Raza types are past due for their payoff. They can make it very difficult for him, they have a street army.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 20, 2014 01:24 PM (GKxF1)

116 *head tilt; squinting* National Association for the Advancement of Colored Communist Cock-sucking People?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at November 20, 2014 01:21 PM (4df7R)

And this is but one of many reasons why I love you.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 01:24 PM (DrWcr)

117
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2014 01:21 PM (M0mf2)

Later today when I make the call, I will be asking my US Rep's 14 year-old staffer why these are not options.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 20, 2014 01:24 PM (Knixy)

118 At Ace of Spades the barrel bites you.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi--is in the House! at November 20, 2014 01:24 PM (RJMhd)

119 And this is but one of many reasons why I love you.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 01:24 PM (DrWcr)

I do my humble best. *curtsey*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at November 20, 2014 01:24 PM (4df7R)

120 I'm just gonna put this here for no particular reason whatsoever:

http://youtu.be/FFroMQlKiag

Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 01:25 PM (mf5HN)

121 " I wonder what Rush is saying?"

Just ran to lunch and heard a little of him. Same stuff we're saying here. Little hope the GOP will accomplish any real remedy for this. Some funding shenanigans that Barry will try to side-step, etc.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 20, 2014 01:25 PM (LA7Cm)

122 I wonder if the SchutzStaffel would allow a group of swarthy, newly minted MexoAmericans to thank Obama in person.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 20, 2014 01:25 PM (Dhdnu)

123 I think some of the 'rons are too young to remember that CCCP = USSR.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 20, 2014 01:25 PM (JtwS4)

124 The threat of the power of the purse, ONLY works in you have enough votes to over ride the Presidential Veto...

No that's wrong if you have the where with all of your principals. Let Fredo Veto everything he wants, and let HIM be reponsible for a Gov Shutdown. This is different than last time. WE WON this last Election and won it BIG TIME. He is NOT a Dictator and that we can and should be able to sell to the American People. And a few Democrats who still would like to save their seats in the future might actually grow a pair and join us

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2014 01:25 PM (M0mf2)

125 This puts a lot of Republican office-holders in a tough spot. They have to look like they are acting to reverse an illegal amnesty and yet keep amnesty. They certainly don't want to vote FOR amnesty. That would not go over well.

You've got Sheldon Adelson on line 1; The Koch brothers on line 2; Wall Wall Street on lines 4, 5, and 6; Halliburton on line 7; and a bunch of bitching bitter clingers trying to get in on line 8. What is to be done?

Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2014 01:26 PM (z27Ny)

126 Remember, nothing can happen in this Congress. We have to wait for the next Congress just elected to judge whether they learned their lesson or they're still the same old feckless stupid party we've grown to despise.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2014 01:26 PM (KK+mC)

127 I think some of the 'rons are too young to remember that CCCP = USSR.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 20, 2014 01:25 PM (JtwS4)

*looks at flashing palm*

*sighs dramatically*

Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 01:27 PM (mf5HN)

128 " I wonder what Rush is saying?"

Invisible airwaves, crackle with life.

Posted by: Things Rush says at November 20, 2014 01:27 PM (od1df)

129 John, Barrel.

Barrel, John.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 20, 2014 01:05 PM (+GmxD)

Would that be a double-barreled barreling?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 20, 2014 01:27 PM (7MWCL)

130 Oh, so this one is back now.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 20, 2014 01:28 PM (txvbW)

131 *looks at flashing palm*

*sighs dramatically*
Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 01:27 PM (mf5HN)

Renew! Renew!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 01:28 PM (DrWcr)

132
This assumes the legislature will remove the executive if it proceeds to issue promissory notes and drafts without authorization.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 01:23 PM (pYEaj)

He will, and they won't.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 20, 2014 01:28 PM (txvbW)

133 And a few Democrats who still would like to save their seats in the future might actually grow a pair and join us

This, actually.

It's a lot harder (not impossible, but harder) to paint a shutdown as the result of "Obstructionist Republicans" when the Republicans are busy passing funding bill after funding bill.

Especially when none of those contain language that does anything TFG doesn't want. Here a bill to fund DoD. There a bill to fund State. Over that way a bill to fund... whatever. You don't even need "poison pills" in any of them (at least, not until most of the government is back up and running).

At some point, Democrats are going to realize that the SCOAMT isn't up for reelection in 2 years, but they are. If they're nervous enough in the Senate, we might even get a veto overridden.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 01:29 PM (M1uf/)

134 You think you've got it rough? Consider Michael Phelps.

http://tinyurl.com/o8nf3ls

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 01:29 PM (kXTY/)

135 >>No that's wrong if you have the where with all of your principals. Let Fredo Veto everything he wants, and let HIM be reponsible for a Gov Shutdown. This is different than last time. WE WON this last Election and won it BIG TIME. He is NOT a Dictator and that we can and should be able to sell to the American People. And a few Democrats who still would like to save their seats in the future might actually grow a pair and join us

I agree. Last time the shutdown occurred right before the Obamacare rollout. The public hadn't seen all the destructive elements of Obamacare and did not support what they perceived as a Republican led fight.

Now the public has seen Obamacare and they hate it. More everyday. And they do not support this type of executive action.

If it is handled properly, a shutdown could be blamed on Obama this time. Particularly with a united Congress.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2014 01:30 PM (g1DWB)

136 The legislature will have to raise an army.

Posted by: Olivia Cromwell at November 20, 2014 01:30 PM (z27Ny)

137 In Soviet America, barrel gets in you!

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at November 20, 2014 01:30 PM (27KAF)

138 Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 01:25 PM

Shoulda died in committee....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 20, 2014 01:30 PM (knoK7)

139 I welcome our new tax payers and FICA payment makers.

Bien venudo!!! Salud!!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2014 01:31 PM (KK+mC)

140 Seal border first!

-

Nanzi Pelosi says Obama's executive action is all about controlling the border. See WZ.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2014 01:14 PM (kXTY/)

Disguises self as penguin, slithers across border.

Posted by: Seal at November 20, 2014 01:31 PM (7MWCL)

141 120 I'm just gonna put this here for no particular reason whatsoever:

http://youtu.be/FFroMQlKiag
Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 01:25 PM (mf5HN)

I wonder what "I'm Just A Bill" would look like in the Obama Era:

I'm just a ploy

Yes, I'm just a ploy

To fluff a new constituencyyyyyy.

Oh yes I'm meant to reward

A new voting bloc

Whose votes are important

So I'll suck collective cock

(etc.)

Posted by: joncelli at November 20, 2014 01:31 PM (RD7QR)

142 It is frustrating. A healthy percentage of the population respects the rule of law and the Constitution. A healthy percentage respects neither if either gets in the way of their agenda. The remainder aren't from the U.S. and really don't give a shit.

Is this what revolutionary times felt like? The day before Ft. Sumtner was fired on? Is this that kind of precipice of epic action/reaction moment?

Posted by: Yip at November 20, 2014 01:31 PM (84SRe)

143 You think you've got it rough? Consider Michael Phelps.
-----
He's a swimmer. Probably won't mind either way.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2014 01:31 PM (z27Ny)

144 115 This is crucial to Obama because the La Raza types are past due for their payoff. They can make it very difficult for him, they have a street army.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 20, 2014 01:24 PM (GKxF1)

That's because we haven't played Cowboys and La Raza yet.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 20, 2014 01:32 PM (txvbW)

145 It's like Riverdance up in here with the stompening.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 20, 2014 01:32 PM (xSCb6)

146

Oh, cool!

newest from drudge

'Homeland Security' Grants Deportation Protection to People From Ebola Nations...

so much for security of our homeland, eh?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 01:33 PM (IXrOn)

147 New stompy post.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 01:33 PM (DrWcr)

148 AtC please report to Carousel
AtC please report to Carousel

Posted by: ginaswo at November 20, 2014 01:33 PM (+X1qa)

149 Renew! Renew!
Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 01:28 PM (DrWcr)

I'm just going to put this here to cheer up everyone and by everyone I mean me.

http://youtu.be/DEPbPGQpNsM

Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 01:33 PM (mf5HN)

150 bunch of bitching bitter clingers trying to get in on line 8.
Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2014 01:26 PM (z27Ny)

I hung up long ago.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2014 01:33 PM (KK+mC)

151 That's because we haven't played Cowboys and La Raza yet.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 20, 2014 01:32 PM (txvbW)
-----
We need something like the old Texas Rangers to play the cowboys. But we don't. Will we?

Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2014 01:34 PM (z27Ny)

152 Time for the GOP to play the race card and note that Obama is legalizing more people than jobs have been created since he became president. He ipso facto hates poor people, and his love for big business and Wall Street is disproportionately hurting blacks.

Posted by: Furious George at November 20, 2014 01:34 PM (UlJ3l)

153 >>They can make it very difficult for him, they have a street army.

Which Obama helped build thanks to Open Borders Summer 2014.
He's imported the revolutionaries that can now protest in the streets.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2014 01:34 PM (ABcz/)

154 In real life we have a process for dealing with these types of conflicts. Experts will take a cool and calm look at the details, grants and contracts will be awarded to academics who will study the problem. Alternative actions will be properly evaluated and the costs of those programs will be scored by budget experts like the CBO, or OMB.

Skilled, trained, experienced journalists will report those findings to the American people who will then exercise their rights to cast a ballot in November 2016.

Life goes on.
Same as it ever was.

Posted by: Assistant to the Second Undersecretary to the Secretary for Redundancy at November 20, 2014 01:34 PM (qUO+q)

155 ah...

In order to prevent a mass migration from West Africa to the United States, nationals from these countries who arrive after Thursday will not be eligible for protected status.

U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services officials estimate that 8,000 people will be eligible to apply.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 01:34 PM (IXrOn)

156 So they actually can't defund it, unless I'm missing something.

Sure, they can pass strongly-worded legislation to defund all they want, but if the president vetoes it, then it's functionally meaningless.

Posted by: GOPinTX at November 20, 2014 01:34 PM (wTO4K)

157 So if the Donks can't be stopped by any legal means, would the Republicans care to explain what their function just might happen to be?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 20, 2014 01:34 PM (xSCb6)

158 Obama trading respect for rule of law for political pandering and pitting of one group of Americans against others for political advantage? Say it ain't so.

I find Coburn's proposal acceptable.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/kt74obr

. . . Coburn says. "Here's how people think: Well, if the law doesn't apply to the president . . . then why should it apply to me?"

Posted by: flounder at November 20, 2014 01:34 PM (sDapq)

159 They'e correct that USCIS spending is funded primarily by fees collected by the agency, and that the spending is mandatory, rather than discretionary. That means that USCIS does not need annual authorizations to use those fees to offset expenses.

True. But they ARE a component of the DHS. Defund DHS to the point of pain.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2014 01:34 PM (maYD1)

160
Other than a bunch of squealing in the media and by the GOPe,I don't see the irreparable damage done by the evil Cruz shutdown.

I give youNovember 4, 2014.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 20, 2014 01:35 PM (Knixy)

161 I was thinking after tonight..... what the hell does Bengazi, the FBI investigation, FF... any of it... what does it matter anymore? This really blows up the whole idea of checks and balances and laws and shit.

Posted by: Yip at November 20, 2014 01:35 PM (84SRe)

162 And a few Democrats who still would like to save their seats in the future might actually grow a pair and join us

This, actually.

*******

I don't know if you've noticed but most of the Blue Dogs are gone.

And if you are talking about the Senate...

name one.

Manchin is full of crap--anyone that saw his commercials and then how he actually acted or did not act in the Senate...

Posted by: Your Friendly Danube River Guide at November 20, 2014 01:35 PM (RJMhd)

163 The GOP is JV

Posted by: Obami at November 20, 2014 01:35 PM (z27Ny)

164 134. Lola!

Posted by: Jonny at November 20, 2014 01:36 PM (Xv7f/)

165 That's because we haven't played Cowboys and La Raza yet.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 20, 2014 01:32 PM (txvbW)
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We need something like the old Texas Rangers to play the cowboys. But we don't. Will we?
Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2014 01:34 PM (z27Ny)

zángano's

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 01:36 PM (IXrOn)

166 I'm just going to put this here to cheer up everyone and by everyone I mean me.

http://youtu.be/DEPbPGQpNsM
Posted by: alexthechick - Beware the Jazz Hands at November 20, 2014 01:33 PM (mf5HN)

There's a fabric shortage in the future, apparently.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 20, 2014 01:36 PM (DrWcr)

167 OT: So the headline at DM is a "Christian lawyer" shot and killed people. Good grief ...

They dont say what caliber of handgun it was, but a student found a bullet in a hardbound book he was carrying... I'm guessing 9mm

Posted by: McCool at November 20, 2014 01:36 PM (TQxRy)

168 No, really, there's a nood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 20, 2014 01:36 PM (M1uf/)

169
If it is handled properly, a shutdown could be blamed on Obama this time. Particularly with a united Congress.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2014 01:30 PM (g1DWB)

No it can't, because the Liberal Democrat Union Member Media will not go along with it.

When Reagan vetoed the budget, (because the Democrats put up insane levels of spending) The media blamed the President.

When Clinton vetoed the budget (because it didn't have enough spending to suit him) The media blamed the "Republican Congress."

The media is the fly in our ointment. It is the Gordian knot tying most of our problems together. It is the institution that we ought to be working to destroy because if we don't, it's constant leftward push will eventually destroy us.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 20, 2014 01:36 PM (txvbW)

170 That'd be in the butt Bob

Posted by: Michael Phelps on Newlyweds show at November 20, 2014 01:37 PM (84SRe)

171 I remember mini skirts like that on the hookers hanging around Canters on Fairfax in Hollywood years ago.

The hemline bisected the hoo hah.

Don't see them anymore these days. Buncha prudes.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2014 01:37 PM (KK+mC)

172 There is the Barrel and then there is the Barrels Basement....nobody goes down there anymore......

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 20, 2014 01:37 PM (o2Jt2)

173 artisanal 'ette,

What is a' zangano's' ?

Posted by: RioBravo at November 20, 2014 01:38 PM (z27Ny)

174
So when the GOP takes the White House next, they'll just do the same thing, right? Enact public policy and rescind Acts of Congress by just ordering non-enforcement.

No prosecution of Obamacare mandate absconders...taxpayers who refuse to pay capital gains or more than 15%...Polluters...

Posted by: Radeaminit at November 20, 2014 01:38 PM (Xv7f/)

175 The GOP's own immediate political calculations are more important than defending the very document that gives them power.

What gives them the right? They swear an oath, the GOP has a DUTY:

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

Posted by: pam at November 20, 2014 01:40 PM (cgrL5)

176 Shut it all down until the new congress is sworn in. What would it be? A month? Doable.

Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2014 01:40 PM (4jDmb)

177 174. LOL.

Never happen.

The fuddy duddy old white guys who make up the GOP actually respect the Rule of Law and the Constitution.

Posted by: Randy at November 20, 2014 01:40 PM (Xv7f/)

178 "There will not be a "defunding" bill for Amnesty. You can't "defund" a non action."

He's reportedly also promising to issue work permits they can carry to third parties, which is a positive action requiring funding, and incidentally demolishes his theory of "discretionary prosecution".

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 01:41 PM (pYEaj)

179

Senator Ted Cruz went to the Senate floor today to quote Cicero against Obama's illegal amnesty.

therightscoop.com

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2014 01:42 PM (IXrOn)

180 I'm baffled still by how the Senate passes a bill. Does it require 51 (or more) votes to pass or does it require 60 (or more) to pass.

I thought 51 was enough, and if it also passed in the house then it goes to the President for veto (what else).

If that's the case, why did Keystone fail with59 votes to pass? What is this "key procedural threshold" that held it up? Will the next Senate with59 republicans be able to get past that and get these bills onto the President's desk?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 20, 2014 01:42 PM (zpZLP)

181 161 That's why I was very suprised to see Trent Gowdy downplay the very idea of impeachment.

Apparently he WANTS to be stonewalled for two years.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 01:43 PM (pYEaj)

182 Rush is dumbstruck and frustrated today...like Levin was last night... This is a seminal moment for our country... we're watching a contrived and purposely agitating ( see community organizer ) Constitutional crisis.

and Obama and the Democrats are double-dog daring the GOP or anyone else to hold them accountable.

Posted by: Yip at November 20, 2014 01:43 PM (84SRe)

183
Question for the legal types.

Let's say I'm an illegal Hungarian alien who is not covered by Obamanesty.

ICE tries to deport me.

Can I defend on the basis of selective enforcement and national origin discrimination?

Posted by: Magyar at November 20, 2014 01:44 PM (Xv7f/)

184 Cruz : http://bit.ly/1qAH2Rk This is good

Posted by: Yip at November 20, 2014 01:46 PM (84SRe)

185 "We need tax dollars to print naturalization papers and fill EBT cards, gringa. Pay up."

I recall that it is illegal for the government to accept donations to cover the cost of government operations. However, for this, I am sure the cabal will find a way for South American Embassies in the USA to fund the work.

Posted by: Davod at November 20, 2014 01:46 PM (aiTMj)

186 PS. I should have written South of the border embassies.

Posted by: Davod at November 20, 2014 01:47 PM (aiTMj)

187 PS. I should have written South of the border embassies.

Posted by: Davod at November 20, 2014 01:47 PM (aiTMj)

188 @179 artisanal 'ette Thanks, that clip was excellent. Obviously Ted Cruz is racist though.. #howdareyouspeecholdshitagainstObama

Posted by: Yip at November 20, 2014 01:50 PM (84SRe)

189 willowed

Posted by: Yip at November 20, 2014 01:54 PM (84SRe)

190 "Can I defend on the basis of selective enforcement and national origin discrimination?"

Yes.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 01:57 PM (pYEaj)

191 "Rush is dumbstruck and frustrated today...like Levin was last night... This is a seminal moment for our country... we're watching a contrived and purposely agitating ( see community organizer ) Constitutional crisis."

That's why the Congress will scramble to end the crisis by giving retroactive authorization.

And that's why Obama does it.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at November 20, 2014 01:58 PM (pYEaj)

192 @191 Yep

Posted by: Yip at November 20, 2014 02:07 PM (84SRe)

193 Surely Democrats have been proactive and previously included sufficient funds in the Stimulus package. After all, they included $1 billion in the stimulus package to cover the death panels board.

Posted by: Davod at November 20, 2014 02:11 PM (aiTMj)

194 174
So when the GOP takes the White House next, they'll just do the same thing, right?
Posted by: Radeaminit at November 20, 2014 01:38 PM (Xv7f/)

It's charming that you think they'll be able to take it next. We might excel in future mid-terms due to the fact that the left can't really be bothered with those, but the general? With possibly 10 million new tax paying voters (because it *will* happen that way) paying back the favor the JEF just did for them?

Posted by: tdpwells at November 20, 2014 02:17 PM (5ZFPz)

195 Sure they can defund it in the House, see the bill get tabled in the Senate, and nothing happens. I don't have any confidence that they will do anything in January, but wait and see maybe?

My best guess, for what its worth (which ain't much) is that they will do a lot of delaying actions, avoid controversy, and be fairly quiet until 2016 (like the Democrats largely did from 2006-200

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 20, 2014 02:18 PM (39g3+)

196 Money is fungible. The bureaucrats just shift things around and adjust the color of money. To really hit where it hurts - cut SES positions and limit the number allowed within 100 miles of DC. Don't just cut travel budgets, limit the annual total per individual in SES positions.

Oh Noes!!11!! How will the gov't recruit the "best and the brightest"? Well, the current crop isn't doing so hot, maybe we should let the "adequate and the competent" have a shot.

Posted by: supergirl at November 20, 2014 02:54 PM (bNnI1)

197 What a lot of people fail to realize is that most of the Democrat leaders don't really care if they lose elections. Whether they win or lose, their agenda keeps marching on.

If we win in 2016 it still won't matter. Winning then, btw, is an open question. If we have a bunch of new socialist voters, it may not matter if HRC is a lousy candidate. They'll vote for Socialism, because it is what they believe.

In any case, unless Americans find some way to get the Socialist lifetime appointees, their army of dug-in bureaucrats and the RINOS themselves out and stop the shredding of the torn and tattered Constitution, this whole lousy program will just keep marching merrily along.

I have, as I said before, pretty much given up hope. People bellow and bloviate, make threats and bluster, and nothing gets done. I don't believe anymore that anything will be done before it is far too late. It may be far too late already.

I used to want to live forever. Now all I want to do is take care of my responsibilities until they don't matter anymore. Living and vainly hoping that things will be better is heartbreaking. I hate myself for clinging to shreds of hope because it hurts too much to watch everything we had piddled away by our "leaders".

America is ending because a vile ideology has taken hold in all the halls of power, and no one will act to stop it.

Posted by: Nancy at November 20, 2014 03:05 PM (iQoIE)

198 Whatever they charge a guy with for driving a truck full of illegals across the border they should formally adopt in Articles of Impeachment --with five million counts.

Posted by: NYC Parent at November 20, 2014 03:14 PM (HEo6y)

199 @93 I don't think defunding an inaction stops an inaction.

Why would Obama need funds to have people--not do something?

Those ID cards and work permits aren't going to print ad distribute themselves you know.

Posted by: Vindicated Joe Wilson at November 20, 2014 04:24 PM (7M30H)

200 the republicans won't do anything about it. the republican party is weak, weak, weak, and between boehner and mcconnell i don't which one is the bigger wimp. neither one of them has any idea what they are dealing with, and niether one of them knows what to do, at least that is what they are feigning. you all know that the republican party has many that support amnesty. for these jerks, the more immigrants the better! they want cheap labor, and they don't really care about the culture, traditions, and history of this nation. as long as they can make a buck, great! they also like obamacare. after all, they won't have to be stuck with it like the rest of us. they will NOT do A N Y T H I N G, and we all knew they wouldn't stand up to obama even as we held our noses as voted for them. we knew that they were progressive-light. as george carlin once noted, "this is the best we can do, folks." these republican leaders are our best and brightest? teh. the republican party is no longer a viable political party at this point, and furthermore, this is no longer a representative republic.

Posted by: Mistress Not Done yet at November 20, 2014 11:51 PM (2/oBD)

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