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Neocons Agitating for More Victory-Free Wars, Again

What a shock.


If Donald Trump doesn’t take the Oath of Office on January 20, 2021, one principal but little-noted reason for this may be that he crossed one of the most powerful and least accountable forces in the nation: the military-industrial complex. As Trump said last September, "the top people in the Pentagon...want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy. But we're getting out of the endless wars, you know how we’re doing." Now, however, that Joe Biden has been anointed "President-elect" by the establishment media, the propaganda is already starting to get us back into one of those endless wars, in Syria.


We learned just recently that we never really left Syria in the first place. As Victoria Taft noted at PJ Media Friday, President Trump’s former special envoy for Syria, Never-Trumper Jim Jeffrey, has boasted that he circumvented Trump's orders to withdraw American troops from Syria by lying to the president. Jeffrey explained: "We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there," and "the actual number of troops in northeast Syria is 'a lot more than' the roughly two hundred troops Trump initially agreed to leave there in 2019."

What the Masters of War have in mind, however, is a far greater commitment of American troops than even Jeffrey's shell game allows for. After all, how else are they going to keep happy "all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes"?

More at the link.

At the Federalist, a call for the final act of Trump's first term to be pulling the US out of all of its endless quagmires.

In a recent memo advocating a swift U.S. drawdown from Afghanistan, Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller gave shape to the fundamental political stand of the Trump administration--realism and restraint.

"We are not a people of perpetual war -- it is the antithesis of everything for which we stand and for which our ancestors fought. All wars must end," the memo read. This comes after a rapid purge in the last couple of weeks, in which President Trump dismissed Defense Secretary Mark Esper and replaced him with Miller in what was termed by the leftist media as a takeover of the Pentagon by the National Counterterrorism Center.


Trump also appointed Col. Douglas Macgregor to be a senior adviser at the Pentagon. Macgregor is a fierce opponent of endless wars, and previously nominated to be the ambassador to Germany, but was not yet confirmed.

This has the potential to conclude America's longest and perhaps most pointless of military engagements. While the idea was to decimate al-Qaeda and punish the Taliban, that was over by 2005. By the time of the surge in 2007, the overall war had morphed into a nation-building process with a sunk cost fallacy.

...

In a New York Times interview, Ruger was quoted saying, "The president has had difficulty finding personnel who would faithfully execute on his preferences," adding that now is the last chance for Trump to cement his legacy and stand for what he believed during his campaigning: ending fruitless wars.

That article notes that progressive Democrats -- who once claimed Bush was Hitler and "lying us into war" -- are now claiming that Trump's determination to end foreign quagmires is "one last favor to Putin."

My, how things change.

My own opinions on this have shifted. I was pro-war. I still am pro-war on some level.

But I am pro wars that end in victory.

For whatever reasons, the US doesn't seem in the business of fighting wars that end in victory anymore. We're now in the business of fighting wars that end in defeat or at best in stalemate, and fighting those literally forever.

We are now entering the second generation of occupation and nation-building in Afghanistan. The second generation.

We're actually well into the second generation, rather than merely starting the second generation, if you define a generation as fifteen years, as we do sometimes.

Anyone under 21 years old has literally never known a day when the US was not in Afganistan.

Our failure to "win" per any plausible definition is not a license for continuing to stay in Afghanistan -- it is, rather, a call to realistically redefine what is possible in Afghanstian.

Nation-building this savage shithole into a western pluralistic liberal democracy is not possible -- period. And to waste another American life or limb in pursuit of pipedream fantasia is a vicious sin.

We are killing our boys for nothing.

I favored war in Iraq because I did not want to see, as one critic called it, another 20 years of Clinton-style "maintenance bombing," in which we just occasionally send cruise missiles and B-52s to let Iraq know: Stop or we will bomb you worse.

I didn't want that policy to continue. I wanted to have Peace Once and For All.

But there is no such thing as Peace Once and For All. That is a childish fantasy. As Patton told fourth graders just after World War II: "You are the soldiers and nurses in the next war. And there will be another war. There always has been."

So the choice is not between conflict and Peace Once and For All. The latter doesn't exist. There will always be conflict.

The choice is between conflict at a relatively low cost ("maintenance bombing") and conflict with a high cost (a full generation of pointless bloody nation building for primitive savages).

War is an evil. It can be a necessary evil, and a justifiable evil, when that evil leads to the longer-term betterment of the world and for our own national interest.

But where there is no long-term betterment, and no national interest being advanced, than that necessary evil is unnecessary, and war is simply evil.

We are killing our own men for no fucking reason -- apart from sparing some old men who have constantly made poor decisions from having to show the courage of admitting their errors.

Our foreign policy "Wise Men" are not wise.

They are merely creatures of habit, sad, cowardly men who find comfort in the status quo.

And the status quo consists of Americans dying for no reason at all.

Especially not the Virtue Signaling Neocons like Ben Sasse and Mitt Romney -- men whose records are impeccably clean of any prior military service.

But oh! Give them a chance to tell them how Virtuous it is for other (better) men to die in war! Give them a chance to show how Good and Nobel they are to waste the lives of other (better) men while never risking so much as a hangnail in defense of their supposed Moral Imperatives.

Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah thinks that the U.S. needs to keep troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, stating that even after 20 years of a military presence there, “conditions for withdrawal have not been met.”

"The decision to withdraw our troops from Afghanistan, Iraq, and potentially elsewhere should not be based on a U.S. political calendar," Romney said in a statement. "The Administration has yet to explain why reducing troops in Afghanistan--where conditions for withdrawal have not been met--is a wise decision for our national security interests in the region."

Twenty years. Twenty fucking years.

An entire generation spent fighting a war for, what? To achieve victory?

No they gave up on that in 2008. We're now fighting, it seems, to achieve "conditions for withdrawal."

Say wasn't that what we were allegedly fighting for in Vietnam from 1968 to 1974?

You know, Vietnam is still a painful memory for Americans.

But how long were we there? From 1963 to 1974 -- just eleven years.

But we've been in Afghanistan for twenty -- and Mitt Romney, a man who has never spent a minute in uniform, a man who has taught his children and grandchildren to avoid military service as he did, says we have to spend another ten or twenty years in Afghanistan.

To achieve "conditions for withdrawal."

We do not fight wars to achieve "conditions for withdrawal," you cowardly monster, and we do not fight wars to show your Virtue and Moral Courage in sending other (better) men to their deaths.

The conditions for withdrawal are achieved: Those conditions are "fighting for twenty years with no plausible victory condition in mind."

How about these craven chickenhawks and ludicrous strutting Moral Peacocks write about The Conservative Case for Peace for one fucking time in their cowardly, no-military-service lives?

19 As a Moron noted, there are men dying in Afghanistan that weren't born when the war started.
Posted by: G'rump928(C)



Posted by: Ace at 05:08 PM




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1 war, what is it good for?

absolutely a lot of money for the warmakers

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 18, 2020 05:08 PM (ZR7kf)

2 Bold Stuff, Ace.


Bold.

Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2020 05:09 PM (PP+nY)

3 /b

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 05:09 PM (zr5Kq)

4 Close to the top! Now to the content!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 18, 2020 05:09 PM (CjFDo)

5 They cant contain themselves, can they?

Posted by: FloridachickTrump WON at November 18, 2020 05:09 PM (ml+CM)

6 We've reached the point where the NY Times talked about "anti-war conservatives" as though such a thing is bad.

anti-war conservatives

I wear the title as a badge of honor.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 18, 2020 05:09 PM (ZR7kf)

7 lots of parasites in DC swamp get rich from endless wars..

Posted by: IC - Call me Madam President-Elect at November 18, 2020 05:10 PM (a0IVu)

8 How can we save the Salt Lake City Olympics if we pull out of Afghanistan?


Seriously, Ace.

I thought this was supposed to be a Smart Military Blog.

Posted by: Piere Delecto at November 18, 2020 05:10 PM (PP+nY)

9 Very bold proclamation.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:10 PM (Zm+LZ)

10 10?

Posted by: Flatville Bill at November 18, 2020 05:10 PM (tEsMf)

11 Even if Trump is thrown from office, if he can get us out of Afghanistan, and in a way that they can't sneak us back in, he'll have cemented his legacy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2020 05:10 PM (KZzsI)

12 Nominated to be the ambassador to Germany but never confirmed. Some more of that great Mitch McConnell work right there.

Posted by: Buzzion at November 18, 2020 05:11 PM (G2zl5)

13 We should have left after Bin Laden was merked.

We have no reason to hang around, hunting humans there.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:11 PM (ifmtJ)

14 Outside of perhaps China, no foreign entity is as big of a danger to the United States as presidential candidate Biden.


I don't care what collection of assholes is ruling Iraq or Afghanistan right now because we are facing a national socialist take over here, now.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 18, 2020 05:11 PM (qlFIA)

15 The Neo Cons have become a parody of themselves..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 18, 2020 05:11 PM (CjFDo)

16 bring them home. shoot anyone that gets insubordinate about it.

Posted by: x at November 18, 2020 05:12 PM (0tE/i)

17 I'm not anti-war, I'm anti-bullshit.

Wars are fought for concrete objectives.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:12 PM (ifmtJ)

18 I hate Romney

Posted by: It's me donna at November 18, 2020 05:12 PM (Zmnko)

19 As a Moron noted, there are men dying in Afghanistan that weren't born when the war started.

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 18, 2020 05:12 PM (yQpMk)

20 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 18, 2020 05:13 PM (arJlL)

21
It's like we're living in that episode of The Three Stooges when water was coming out of the light fixtures and the black guy goes "this house sho' gon' crazy."

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:13 PM (aAFjn)

22 >>Wars are fought for concrete objectives.


You misspelled 'Government Housing Contracts'

Posted by: James Biden at November 18, 2020 05:13 PM (PP+nY)

23 war, what is it good for?

absolutely a lot of money for the warmakers
Posted by: Shenanigans at November 18, 2020 05:08 PM (ZR7kf)

And the private banks that fund them. It's all part of the plan.

Posted by: Gaelic Girl at November 18, 2020 05:13 PM (5FCda)

24 The "endless war" stuff is what made me not-a-republican.

I'm of the age where I've had many friends fight in Iraq & Afghanistan. Some haven't come back.

...it's absurd that we keep fighting these wars.

AND it makes us look weak as shit abroad. You don't think China is sitting there saying, "well, fuck, America can't even beat fucking goat herders in a war after two decades, what are they really going to do to us if we take over Taiwan?"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:13 PM (UPoLF)

25 In Afghanistan we have achieved nothing. In Iraq we achieved quite a bit despite grossly incompetent management.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:13 PM (Zm+LZ)

26
Win or walk.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 18, 2020 05:13 PM (mht8P)

27 "[...] the US doesn't seem in the business of fighting wars that end in victory anymore."

Not since we ditched the Department of War for a Department of Defense.

Posted by: aelfheld at November 18, 2020 05:13 PM (IxDhF)

28 Sign an EO bringing every American military person home ASAP.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (22mNy)

29 We are killing our boys for nothing.

Afghanistan is not worth another paper cut by an American.

I was pretty neocon. I believed all of it. All of it. And then reality slapped me hard and I have to work not to over correct the other way.

If it is worth a drop of American blood, then it is worth allowing those Americans to kill the people who are there. If we won't kill those people, then we shouldn't go there. Is that the most elegant theory in the world? Nope. But it works for me.

Also I am so angry that I bought into Sasse's bullshit when he first became a thing.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria and fagettery at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (GbPPJ)

30 For example: if we have a war against the mainstream media, we can have as a concrete objective the death and destruction of, say, 90% of the talking heads on TV, all editorial and writing staff and producers/owners.

Once that objective is complete, the war is complete. You have to know what victory looks like, our you'll just diddle around without focus and without your end point.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (ifmtJ)

31 If the state wins and installs Biden, the State can FOAD. I am done paying for the State. I'm going to lie on my taxes, reduce any potential gains for the State. I'm going to steal from the State every chance I get. I'm going to vandalize the State. I'm going to sabotage the state by destroying everything of it I can. Transformers, pencil sharpeners, you name it.

I will wage my own private guerrilla war against the state in any way that I can.

Posted by: barney rubble at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (D2wY0)

32 I spent 22 years in uniform and the majority of my combat time was in and around the Persian Gulf protecting the oil flow.


It's time to stop that.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (JUOKG)

33 I'll go read that and be back with a report

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (9sWOw)

34 Sometimes it takes a true outsider to show just how fucking badly we were conned by the GOP.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2020 05:15 PM (y7DUB)

35 that what's his name guy, Jeffrey, needs to spend a few mins thinking about his behavior swinging from a tree.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 18, 2020 05:15 PM (4Jold)

36 Wonder if those who pulled the lever for Biden/Harris are starting to get buyers remorse.

And for those who do, they should lose their right to vote since they have clearly demonstrated a basic demonstration of common sense and should spend their remaining time on earth ruminating on their imbecilic ways.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 18, 2020 05:15 PM (D3cJf)

37 >>If we won't kill those people, then we shouldn't go there.


I feel this exact way about weddings and dinner parties.

Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2020 05:15 PM (PP+nY)

38 The choice is between conflict at a relatively low cost ("maintenance bombing") and conflict with a high cost (a full generation of pointless bloody nation building for primitive savages).

Maintenance bombing wasn't low cost, the costs were just hidden. Maintaining a lid on Iraq required us to maintain an increasingly untenable regional status quo. It also was part of the reason that Bin Laden believed that we were weak: we wouldn't do anything more than drop a few ineffectual bombs.

Removing Saddam gave us much more freedom to maneuver, politically speaking, gave our allies such as Saudi Arabia breathing room (I don't think we would see the kind of reforms that have occurred over the past twenty years without it) and eliminated the big boogieman the mullahs could point to in order to scare their own population (the US isn't nearly the same as the guy who literally had invaded a decade earlier and killed their brothers/fathers).

Regarding Afghanistan, when I was there in 2011 the general opinion among my peers was that it would take a generation to fix. IMHO the problem is that we've spent the past twenty years with one foot out the door. It's constant two year plans and "one year to stabilize the situation". We'd have been far better off saying at the beginning, "fuck it, we're going to be here for twenty years, so we're going to act like it."

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 18, 2020 05:15 PM (Kz3T7)

39 what he did is treasn

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 18, 2020 05:15 PM (4Jold)

40
Afghanistan is a rocky wilderness, not fit for farming nor human habitation, really. What "national interests" does that place hold for us?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:15 PM (aAFjn)

41 Afghanistan is not worth another paper cut by an American.

I was pretty neocon. I believed all of it. All of it. And then reality slapped me hard and I have to work not to over correct the other way.

If it is worth a drop of American blood, then it is worth allowing those Americans to kill the people who are there. If we won't kill those people, then we shouldn't go there. Is that the most elegant theory in the world? Nope. But it works for me.

Also I am so angry that I bought into Sasse's bullshit when he first became a thing.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria and fagettery at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (GbPPJ)

___

/\ THIS. All of it.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:15 PM (22mNy)

42 31 If the state wins and installs Biden, the State can FOAD. I am done paying for the State. I'm going to lie on my taxes, reduce any potential gains for the State. I'm going to steal from the State every chance I get. I'm going to vandalize the State. I'm going to sabotage the state by destroying everything of it I can. Transformers, pencil sharpeners, you name it.

I will wage my own private guerrilla war against the state in any way that I can.
Posted by: barney rubble at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (D2wY0)

Amen to that.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:15 PM (Zm+LZ)

43 There was something to be said for moving theater of engagement. We were fighting (and still are) a disorganized international militia. Moving the theater to somewhere far away and causing those disorganized militias to concentrate there and then killing them en masse instead of having them come into the homeland piecemeal to execute domestic attacks against essentially indefensible targets wasn't a bad overall concept.

The problem as I see it is that we got mired down in dealing with the broken and corrupt nation-states there. Rebuilding them was a catastrophic mistake, as was pivoting the combat objectives from slaughtering those disorganized and stateless militias to defending the state systems of the places we invaded.

The primary objective has a rational endpoint, and we passed it *long* ago (and would have passed it even sooner if we'd kept our eye on the ball). The adjusted objectives, though, of providing state defense and rebuilding and imposing democracy and all the rest is where the mistake happened. And that mistake was made almost immediately, when those functions became a parallel objective to the primary reason of "killing the bastards over there."

You can get away with nation building and converting a system a government, but you can't get away with it until the enemy state and her population are shattered and destroyed. If you want to do that, it requires total war until unconditional surrender. That was never an objective in the Middle East (and it shouldn't have been) and was doomed to fail from the start.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2020 05:15 PM (hYcqw)

44 37 >>If we won't kill those people, then we shouldn't go there.


I feel this exact way about weddings and dinner parties.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2020 05:15 PM (PP+nY)

*removes Garrett from dinner party guest list*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (ifmtJ)

45 Long, but well worth the watch.


Big Tech and Political Manipulation | Robert Epstein

https://youtu.be/wqtKQgTps_g

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (KnJdm)

46 Not just Afghanistan. Europe, Korea, Japan, and every other "stan".

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (22mNy)

47 I spent 22 years in uniform and the majority of my combat time was in and around the Persian Gulf protecting the oil flow.


It's time to stop that.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (JUOKG)

Well, *we* (as in the US) certainly don't need their oil.

We're net exporters.

And if the Europeans and Asians want their oil, they can figure it out themselves.

Like seriously, why is this OUR job?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (UPoLF)

48 I've got two tours in Iraq under my belt. Fuck the Middle East, fuck Forever War and fuck Willard Romney. Wars should be fought in one of two ways: Totally, or not at all. If Curtis LeMay and Gen. Pershing are off the table, don't fucking bother.

Posted by: Vanya at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (aKqzO)

49 Changes happening at DOD?

How many of us see this fraudulent election as a coup agaisnt a duly elected President? How many will support Trump if he has to go to a hot war to preserve the country?

Posted by: FloridachickTrump WON at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (ml+CM)

50
And get out of Western Europe.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (mht8P)

51 My father went to the jungles in Vietnam in 64, back in 70 and visited other exotic places before he left the service 25 years later shaking his head at the lies and waste. They chew up our young and brave, mostly red staters, and we all yawn.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (4NtsG)

52 47 I spent 22 years in uniform and the majority of my combat time was in and around the Persian Gulf protecting the oil flow.


It's time to stop that.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (JUOKG)

Well, *we* (as in the US) certainly don't need their oil.

We're net exporters.

And if the Europeans and Asians want their oil, they can figure it out themselves.

Like seriously, why is this OUR job?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (UPoLF)

This just in. Beijing Biden wants to ban fracking and lock us down forever.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:17 PM (Zm+LZ)

53 There was once a school of thought that the point of endless wars were to kill off those populations that couldn't get out of being the soldiers in them.

Well, let's take a look at who's been doing the heavy lifting for the past twenty years.

I used to think it was race-baiting conspiracy bullshit. I'm a believer now. And that pisses me off.

Posted by: Brother Tim (can't let go of 10 year old memes) at November 18, 2020 05:17 PM (OUMaO)

54 It's logical to want a good sized military, sparingly used, but always there - just in case. I get that. But I'll argue that we've reached a point where our political leaders - democrat and republican alike - can't be trusted to use that military wisely. I'm all for reducing the military in both size and scope - because just like a big FBI, big DHS, and every other big entity we build - the current size of the military is too big a temptation for our current political class. The only way we'll reduce their ability to get into more and more stupid foreign wars for profit is to reduce their means to do so.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 18, 2020 05:17 PM (Vq1Cl)

55 Honestly, with the likes of Romney, Collins and Sasse what good does it do to have a "majority' in the SENATE

Posted by: It's me donna at November 18, 2020 05:17 PM (Zmnko)

56 Well, *we* (as in the US) certainly don't need their oil.

We're net exporters.

And if the Europeans and Asians want their oil, they can figure it out themselves.

Like seriously, why is this OUR job?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (UPoLF)

___

But muh International stability!!

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:17 PM (22mNy)

57

Oh, there will be wars.
Just not the kind of wars they are used to.

And too bad for them, and all CCP azz-eaters.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 18, 2020 05:18 PM (sy5kK)

58 Can you say Biden Administration Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Lt. Colonel Alexander Bearclaw? Secretary of the Navy Chelsea Manning? Secretary of the Army Bowe Bergdahl? Secretary of the Air Force Nidal Hasan?

Posted by: ShainS at November 18, 2020 05:18 PM (W8/Sm)

59 38 The choice is between conflict at a relatively low cost ("maintenance bombing") and conflict with a high cost (a full generation of pointless bloody nation building for primitive savages).

Maintenance bombing wasn't low cost, the costs were just hidden. Maintaining a lid on Iraq required us to maintain an increasingly untenable regional status quo. It also was part of the reason that Bin Laden believed that we were weak: we wouldn't do anything more than drop a few ineffectual bombs.

Removing Saddam gave us much more freedom to maneuver, politically speaking, gave our allies such as Saudi Arabia breathing room (I don't think we would see the kind of reforms that have occurred over the past twenty years without it) and eliminated the big boogieman the mullahs could point to in order to scare their own population (the US isn't nearly the same as the guy who literally had invaded a decade earlier and killed their brothers/fathers).

Regarding Afghanistan, when I was there in 2011 the general opinion among my peers was that it would take a generation to fix. IMHO the problem is that we've spent the past twenty years with one foot out the door. It's constant two year plans and "one year to stabilize the situation". We'd have been far better off saying at the beginning, "fuck it, we're going to be here for twenty years, so we're going to act like it."
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 18, 2020 05:15 PM (Kz3T7)

That was the argument against leaving AFPAK early, the Afgans wouldn't trust us or work with us if they didn't believe we were going to stay.

I'm not convinced of the arguement, but there it is.

I think we should have picked a few tribes that liked hunting Talibs, funded them and gone home once Bin Laden was dead.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:18 PM (ifmtJ)

60 We already have sons serving in Afghanistan in the same places their fathers served starting in 2001. I guess the NeoCon goal is to have grandsons fighting there as well.

That would be a record that would surpass even the German fathers and sons who fought in The Great European War of 1914 - 1945.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 18, 2020 05:18 PM (BM2fS)

61 war makes politicians tons of money...

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 18, 2020 05:18 PM (+2xjH)

62 There's the saying when the govt subsidizes something, we get more of that something. That's how wars work as well.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:18 PM (22mNy)

63 The only way we'll reduce their ability to get into more and more stupid foreign wars for profit is to reduce their means to do so.
Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 18, 2020 05:17 PM (Vq1Cl)

That's never been the case in all of history. The only thing a weak military gets you is more conflict.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 18, 2020 05:18 PM (Kz3T7)

64 Looking back, we would've been better off nuking Afghanistan on 9/12/01.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at November 18, 2020 05:19 PM (4uSHG)

65
How many of us see this fraudulent election as a coup agaisnt a duly elected President? How many will support Trump if he has to go to a hot war to preserve the country?
Posted by: FloridachickTrump WON at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (ml+CM)

the real question is, how many members of the US Officer corps will support him? If many are like Mattis and McMasters, the answer is likely to be not enough.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2020 05:19 PM (Kpl3J)

66 33 Many government officials from both sides want continuous wars and will do anything to make that happen.

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2020 05:19 PM (9sWOw)

67 Like seriously, why is this OUR job?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (UPoLF)

People have insisted that Russia might become influential.

In Afghanistan. Like that matters to literally anybody. It wouldn't even matter to most Afghanis.

Posted by: Vanya at November 18, 2020 05:19 PM (aKqzO)

68 The same people who demand we keep our troops there are the ones who freaked out about Trump's so-called "muslim ban" / travel ban EO to prevent citizens of terrorist countries from coming into the US.

Square that circle while you look at the hideous thuggery of American-born of Yemeni refugees threatening two GOP'ers into certifying the Wayne County election results. We must stay in Afghanistan, but we also must let places like Hamtramck, MI flourish as a vibrant immigrant community of people from these same countries we send out=r own to fight and die.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 18, 2020 05:19 PM (bDqIh)

69 There is the right way to do this and there is the wrong way. For the latter, see what Obama did in Iraq. To rush this would be a repeat of that process.

Let's face it. It certainly sounds like Trump was subverted by a lot of people on an overall withdrawal. First it was Mattis, then it was Esper and a host of others. Everything else aside, this is insubordination. They asked for time, the president provided it, and then when the deadline came they said they wanted more time.

Trump outright stated we don't have a long term interest that calls for large numbers of troops in AFG. There is a large part of Washington that doesn't agree. The problem is they have had a long time to define what our interests are, and what our withdrawal timeline is. This whole "conditions based" approach has been a failure because they keep resetting the bar.

The fact is we have very little long term strategic interests in Afghanistan. The current government has not held up their end of most of their agreements and are getting into bed with other actors. It's a shitpot we are not going to solve anytime soon and in the meantime we are targets.

I have no issue with keeping a smaller presence in the region to serve our own selfish interests. We have given enough blood over the years to say fuck you, we are staying and Bagram is ours for now. But we should not be fighting any combat missions. It should be advise and support.

Notice all these heroes in DC haven't fought in theater, and a lot of them have bloviated about this for years. Put on some boots and grab a gun, or shit the fuck up, assholes.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 18, 2020 05:19 PM (VpIIl)

70 How many of us see this fraudulent election as a coup agaisnt a duly elected President? How many will support Trump if he has to go to a hot war to preserve the country?
Posted by: FloridachickTrump WON


They don't want me to go hot. They really won't like my ROE.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 18, 2020 05:19 PM (0mP7b)

71 If it is worth a drop of American blood, then it is worth allowing those Americans to kill the people who are there. If we won't kill those people, then we shouldn't go there.

This is the bottom line. I oppose every war from now on until the basic philosophy of the military changes from "don't look bad in the press" to "kill people and break stuff"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2020 05:19 PM (KZzsI)

72 And the MIC is hand-in-hand with the CCP's bought flunkies.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 18, 2020 05:20 PM (oVJmc)

73 The generals keep forgetting. Donald Trump was their last way to do this peacefully. Now you have a generation of young men raised on a steady diet of American failure abroad who will have no time for faggoty Harvard lawyers or stooge officers. I don't doubt that the enlisted man hates the neocons in Washington more than I ever could.

If we must have a victory, let's start right here. America First.

Posted by: trev006 at November 18, 2020 05:20 PM (AFhHS)

74 But there is no such thing as Peace Once and For All. That is a childish fantasy.

///
I totally agree. Especially now in the nuclear age, we can't have total war or total peace. Asymmetrical war is the new reality. Maintenance bombing of terrorist training camps or the like -- and we know how to find them -- is perfectly okay with me.

George W went to war based on the pre-nuke era and we've been paying for it ever since. He failed just like W. Wilson failed to bring democracy to the masses yearning for freedom. Turns out only a few of them did, and now they live in the US for fear of the fanatics back home.

Posted by: President-Elect pj at November 18, 2020 05:20 PM (qlTN9)

75 I think withdrawing is something Trump really wanted done and he's trying to get it done whatever happens. It's important to him personally.

Posted by: f'd at November 18, 2020 05:20 PM (+y8uL)

76 *peeks in*
*wanders off*

Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2020 05:20 PM (RU4sa)

77 What kind of Nations are the Neo-Cons even trying to build?

Posted by: Allie at November 18, 2020 05:20 PM (vmRc0)

78
Get them all out Mr. President. Only enough to guard the embassies. That's it. All out.

If God forbid, tapioca joe gets in, well then he can start wars all on his own.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk - Emperor Elect at November 18, 2020 05:20 PM (r+sAi)

79 That was the argument against leaving AFPAK early, the Afgans wouldn't trust us or work with us if they didn't believe we were going to stay.

I'm not convinced of the arguement, but there it is.

I think we should have picked a few tribes that liked hunting Talibs, funded them and gone home once Bin Laden was dead.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:18 PM (ifmtJ)

I've long thought that we should have taken over a couple of valley's along the AFPAK border, told the Afghans, "We'll take all your war orphans under age 14" and basically raised them in American style schools and given them military training.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 18, 2020 05:20 PM (Kz3T7)

80 How often do Mittens, David French and Jonah Goldberg meet for cuddle parties?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 18, 2020 05:20 PM (f1bZn)

81 Other than lawyers and a few other f'n REMFs, there's basically nobody who fights in these wars who ends up having any kind of say regarding what comes next.

The same people who are vilified by pricks like Kevin Williamson, are the ones who pay the price for war.

To hell with them.

I want everyone out. I want everyone out of Europe, everyone out of every forward base we think we have so we can... whatever, deter or strike back quickly.

To hell with it all.

Our forward bases should be on OUR coasts. And I guess Hawaii. Which isn't a real state, but whatever.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (hku12)

82 Twitter help, please:

Is it usually for tweets to be deleted, have the attached video edited, and then: undeleted?

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (wTjEH)

83 The choice is between conflict at a relatively low cost ("maintenance
bombing") and conflict with a high cost (a full generation of pointless
bloody nation building for primitive savages).
---

If I may suggest a middle ground, Take the war in Iraq up to the point where we found Saddam, execute him immediately, and then leave.

That, I think, would have made the point that needed to be made, and we were still in the low hundreds of fatalities at that point.

Posted by: Methos at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (kOpft)

84 War is for victory. The objective is to destroy those who would destroy you and force them into submission by any means necessary.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #FightBack at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (HaL55)

85 But muh International stability!!
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:17 PM (22mNy)

Sure. Again, not our problem.

Guess who also has militaries and lots of money? European countries and China.

They want international stability? Great. Go figure out what you think needs to happen and do it.

Good fucking luck.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (UPoLF)

86 I now hold political positions that would have branded me a hippie peacenik leftoid, 20 years ago.
Such as, no foreign wars, deep distrust of all the 3 letter agencies, suspicion of all government, in general.

Posted by: attila the unshaven at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (w7KSn)

87 47 I spent 22 years in uniform and the majority of my combat time was in and around the Persian Gulf protecting the oil flow.


It's time to stop that.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (JUOKG)

Well, *we* (as in the US) certainly don't need their oil.

We're net exporters.

And if the Europeans and Asians want their oil, they can figure it out themselves.

Like seriously, why is this OUR job?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (UPoLF)

Honest answer:

Because Europe can't do the job and we don't want the world's oil supply to be controlled by assholes. We are, thanks to fracking, exporters. All our allies are importers and we can't supply their demand.

We leave entirely (this goes outside of Afgan and Iraq), then Iran and Russia become the energy power brokers for the world.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (ifmtJ)

88 76
*peeks in*

*wanders off*

Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2020 05:20 PM (RU4sa)

Oh no you don't. Get back in here.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (KnJdm)

89 18-1's flow chart for sending American troops abroad....
Let's send troops overseas to go build a nation or some shit

Have we tried bombing the shit out of our enemy first?

NO: Let's bomb the shit out of them.
YES: Let's bomb the shit out of them a metric shit ton more.

Ok, we've bombed the shit out of them, ground troops now right?
Do they have any cities or infrastructure remaining?

YES: You haven't bombed the shit out of them yet

NO: We are getting somewhere!
Ok, whatever send in the ground pounders now!
Have we tried starving them out for a few months? I mean we blew all their shit up right?
[NO THAT'S MEAN!] Obviously not important enough to send American soldiers
[YES, IN FACT THERE MIGHT NOT BE ANYONE LEFT ALIVE] Now you may send in ground troops.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (qlFIA)

90 And the MIC is hand-in-hand with the CCP's bought flunkies.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles

In many cases, it's the same people. Think hard on that.

Posted by: Brother Tim (can't let go of 10 year old memes) at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (OUMaO)

91 Perhaps recall some retired generals to duty and sending them to the field, in whatever capacity is needed (transport, ammo loaders, chow cooks....)

Posted by: SFGoth at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (KAi1n)

92 67 Like seriously, why is this OUR job?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (UPoLF)

People have insisted that Russia might become influential.

In Afghanistan. Like that matters to literally anybody. It wouldn't even matter to most Afghanis.
Posted by: Vanya at November 18, 2020 05:19 PM (aKqzO)

Next thing you know we'll be financing Islamic terror to mitigate Russian influence. Again.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (Zm+LZ)

93 I totally agree. Especially now in the nuclear age, we can't have total war or total peace. Asymmetrical war is the new reality.




this is dangerous and wrong thinking

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 18, 2020 05:22 PM (4Jold)

94 Afghanistan is a rocky wilderness, not fit for farming nor human habitation, really. What "national interests" does that place hold for us?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales




Is it wrong that when I read your comment I first thought of Nic Cage's description of Holly Hunter's womb in Raising Arizona?

"Edwina's insides were a rocky place where my seed could find no purchase."

Posted by: Sharkman at November 18, 2020 05:22 PM (BM2fS)

95 Mitt Romney is the penultimate personification of a types/delete.

Pierre Typesdeleteo

Posted by: Max Power at November 18, 2020 05:22 PM (q177U)

96 We're in a very stable place. We have the largest peaceful border in the world to our north, and we (for the most part) get along with our neighbors to the south.

We're good over here in the Americas.

Let Europe and Asians worry about Eurasia.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:22 PM (UPoLF)

97 67 Like seriously, why is this OUR job?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (UPoLF)

People have insisted that Russia might become influential.

In Afghanistan. Like that matters to literally anybody. It wouldn't even matter to most Afghanis.
Posted by: Vanya at November 18, 2020 05:19 PM (aKqzO)

___

That's the bullshit we've been fed since WW2. Oh if you're not influencing this country than this other country will start influencing it. And we can't possibly have that. So we need 100K troops there to make sure we are the ones influencing.

Yeah fuck that. Let Russia influence all the fucking stans. My life will not change one bit And if China wants Africa, have at it.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:22 PM (22mNy)

98 Mitch McConnell put restraints on President Trump for the last 4 years. He used him good and hard to get the things done that he wanted. He's just as happy as the dems to get rid of him. All of the SOB's that rode Trump's coattails to get elected this year are laughing right now. They hate him and they hate us.

Posted by: spypeach at November 18, 2020 05:22 PM (Up/Jb)

99 Even under Bush we had to fight a peaceful war, though not to the point Obama made it. If we have to go to war it should be under the assumption, and with the stated goal, to be done in 3 to 6 months at most. So we go in, blow up who we have to, then get out. Kind of like what Trump did, we want Solimani (sp) we don't start a ground war in Iran, we wait till he takes a trip then stop a rocket on his head.

We had leftist who bitched and moaned about wars under Bush, ignored Obama's constant need to put our soldiers in harm's way, but then clamed up when it came to supporting the fact Trump has done everything he can to not have more Americans die in needless wars (in fact we got the opposite like hack Libertarians like Kennedy who complain about war but screamed bloody murder that Trump was pulling troops out of Syria)

Hopefully if Trump doesn't retake his place in the White House we start to see 1 million soldiers who refuse to fight anymore bullshit just to enrich politicians and thier friends.

Posted by: Rbastid at November 18, 2020 05:22 PM (XwTyM)

100 Unrelated, mostly - Amazon and Walmart both have Hogan's Heroes, the complete series, on DVD for $30. I know it runs on MeTV and elsewhere for free, but maybe someone wants the discs.

Posted by: Chunk Hunger at November 18, 2020 05:22 PM (uhPTO)

101 The NeoCons like their wars like they like sex: pointless, victory free and carried out by other people.

Posted by: Surfperch at November 18, 2020 05:23 PM (/4vtq)

102 87 47 I spent 22 years in uniform and the majority of my combat time was in and around the Persian Gulf protecting the oil flow.


It's time to stop that.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (JUOKG)

Well, *we* (as in the US) certainly don't need their oil.

We're net exporters.

And if the Europeans and Asians want their oil, they can figure it out themselves.

Like seriously, why is this OUR job?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:16 PM (UPoLF)

Honest answer:

Because Europe can't do the job and we don't want the world's oil supply to be controlled by assholes. We are, thanks to fracking, exporters. All our allies are importers and we can't supply their demand.

We leave entirely (this goes outside of Afgan and Iraq), then Iran and Russia become the energy power brokers for the world.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (ifmtJ)

Iran doesn't actually produce that much oil, relatively speaking. Saudi Arabia and Russia would be the dominant players. And hey, look, they already are.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:23 PM (Zm+LZ)

103 >>>Outside of perhaps China, no foreign entity is as big of a danger to the United States world stability as presidential candidate Biden.


Fixed it for you.

Posted by: Max Power at November 18, 2020 05:23 PM (q177U)

104 Been watching a lot of 80s movies that consistently paint the government ,especially the CIA as the bad guys and corporations as inherently evil.

I miss those days.

Posted by: Gloom, Despair, and Agony on Me at November 18, 2020 05:23 PM (8YFRI)

105 F'n War pigs!!!!

Posted by: Ward at November 18, 2020 05:23 PM (nzKWW)

106
I'll put this as delicately as only I can:

We have a bigger and more legitimate "national security interest" in bombing and invading most of Minneapolis, Minnesota than we do Afghanistan.

Why are we fighting our "enemies" in Afghanistan when we have enemies right here in the USA, in Congress, even?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:23 PM (aAFjn)

107 Ace may have given up on this election but i haven't, the evidence for fraud is so overwhelming.

but Ace don't wanna talk 'bout that

Posted by: Shoey at November 18, 2020 05:23 PM (hmNVd)

108 It's funny that Romney and Sasse are at the front of the line calling for the Forever War.

Where do Pelosi and Schumer stand on this, I wonder? Why do Romney and Sasse opine about a foreign conflict right now, when we're gearing up for CWII right here at home? Shouldn't they be weighing in on what Trump is dealing with right now?

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 18, 2020 05:23 PM (4tiP2)

109 Afghanistan, I thought we were there to protect the old Afgan custom of dancing boys, and the forced sex with the little ones.

Posted by: Colin at November 18, 2020 05:23 PM (2I9OG)

110 Wonder if those who pulled the lever for Biden/Harris are starting to get buyers remorse.

And for those who do, they should lose their right to vote

***

If Biden is installed none of us will have to worry about having to decide who to vote for ever again. Hmm...Kodos-Biden or Krang-Romney....

Posted by: 18-1 at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (qlFIA)

111 We leave entirely (this goes outside of Afgan and Iraq), then Iran and Russia become the energy power brokers for the world.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (ifmtJ)

___

And??
Seriously, so what? So Russia's oligarchs will get rich from oil vs Saudi oligarchs. Oh my!

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (22mNy)

112 Neocon wars now. Neocon wars tomorrow. Neocon wars forever!

Posted by: zombie george wallace at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (UDapT)

113 Byron York spits out today that Trump is persevering just to show his base he is fighting for them. Does anyone here believe that?

Posted by: AnnaS at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (l4l/z)

114 Afghanistan and Iraq haven't been a war since at least 2012. They have been an occupation.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (WUuhi)

115 Biden voters will claim, "we were always at war with - insert name." They will repeat what they did with Vietnam, Nixon's war not Kennedy/Johnson's war.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (4NtsG)

116 What kind of Nations are the Neo-Cons even trying to build?
Posted by: Allie at November 18, 2020 05:20 PM (vmRc0)


Ones that let American contractors come in, to allow American shareholders to rake in profits, by charging U.S. taxpayers.

Hail Haliburten!

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (hku12)

117 >>> Next thing you know we'll be financing Islamic terror to mitigate Russian influence. Again.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (Zm+LZ)


Hello, remember Me?

Posted by: Syria at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (l6b3d)

118 Hopefully if Trump doesn't retake his place in the White House we start to see 1 million soldiers who refuse to fight anymore bullshit just to enrich politicians and thier friends.
Posted by: Rbastid at November 18, 2020 05:22 PM (XwTyM)

If the soldiers lack either the brains or integrity to address a naked coup attempt by grifter neocons and their Wall Street masters, a better question is what the hell are the soldiers for? Kyle Rittenhouse did more to crush Antifa than most of our uniforms.

Posted by: trev006 at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (AFhHS)

119 Technically, if you consider the USSR's time fighting in Afghanistan, it's the third generation.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (+S1Fy)

120 George Mitchell changed the World and most Americans don't know who he is. The Father of Fracking led changes that eliminated our dependence on foreign oil. We no longer need to run on our foreign policy and military as a vassal state.

Afghanistan is as strategically important as the dark side of the Moon. Unless you're into heroin.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (9TdxA)

121 98 Glad you get it. I got many texts from Mitch for money for Perdue none for recounts.

Posted by: Definitely believes in the rot of the DOJ at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (ONvIw)

122 111 We leave entirely (this goes outside of Afgan and Iraq), then Iran and Russia become the energy power brokers for the world.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (ifmtJ)

___

And??
Seriously, so what? So Russia's oligarchs will get rich from oil vs Saudi oligarchs. Oh my!
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (22mNy)

OPEC+ is divided into core OPEC members and the + members, lead by Saudi Arabia and Russia respectively. So they both get rich. Iran isn't even a leading player in this.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (Zm+LZ)

123 75 I think withdrawing is something Trump really wanted done and he's trying to get it done whatever happens. It's important to him personally.
Posted by: f'd at November 18, 2020 05:20 PM (+y8uL)

++++

Of course it is. He's the only President we've ever had, since the Founding fucking Fathers, to view his job as a "servant of the people."

He's a deal maker with the people, not with bureaucrats.
He's a promise keeper with the people, not the elites.

He's a true American president.
And they're surrounding him like the Senate on the Ides of March.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (ZR7kf)

124 Because Europe can't do the job and we don't want the world's oil supply to be controlled by assholes. We are, thanks to fracking, exporters. All our allies are importers and we can't supply their demand.

We leave entirely (this goes outside of Afgan and Iraq), then Iran and Russia become the energy power brokers for the world.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (ifmtJ)


I get it. And if you look at the world like a giant chess board, sure, I guess.

But the thing is --

a) most of "our allies" are pretty shitty allies anyways
and
b) they most definitely COULD figure this out on their own, but they'd rather us deal with it an pay for it so they can make snitty comments about us from the sidelines.

And, frankly, who cares if Iran and Russia are the energy brokers to Europe? It really sounds like a "them" problem, not an us problem.

And realistically speaking, I don't see either KSA or Israel going for that (with Iran). But again -- not our fucking problem. Let Israel, KSA, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and whoever else has a problem with that world order solve it on their own.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (UPoLF)

125 With all respect Alabaster, when there are body bags coming back to Dover, it's war.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (4NtsG)

126
Alternate long post title:

We Just Spent The Last Seven Months Watching Our Own Cities Burned and Terrorized -- Tell Me Again Why We Need To Be In Afghanistan?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (aAFjn)

127 the real question is, how many members of the US Officer corps will support him? If many are like Mattis and McMasters, the answer is likely to be not enough.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2020 05:19 PM (Kpl3J)

Depends. Who will determine my rank?

Posted by: 0-4 and below at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (hOMhY)

128 Byron York spits out today that Trump is persevering just to show his base he is fighting for them.


A novel idea for a Republican politician, I admit.

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (yQpMk)

129 I keep pounding the table with this. The GOP could have a controlling majority for a generation if they went anti-war and anti-billionaire. No more endless wars and some serious taxes on Bezos, Cuckerberg, the Google twins, etc.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (22mNy)

130 Too much blood and treasure has been spent on endeavors that are pointless. Iraq and AFG will never be a functioning Western-style democracies and with our f#@ked up system, I don't know if I'd wish that on them considering our issues.

I'm a practitioner of real politik, which isn't based on moral terms. I don't care if the dictator of Iraq or AFG is a bastard and flays people alive. I really don't give two shits about the human rights of these people. All I care about are the interests of the US. I just want an American-friendly dictator to be in charge of the rabble in Iraq and AFG.

When I was in the Persian Gulf War, I admittedly thought at the time in my youthful naivete that we made a mistake stopping at the Iraqi border. I realize now that our leaders at the time knew what the potential consequences were for us.

It's hilarious that the Democrats spent most of my life during the Cold War cozying up to the Soviets and any other communist shit-sipper they could while bleating that we weren't spending enough tax dollars on social engineering schemes. Like that idiotic bumper sticker that said that the Air Force should be forced to conduct bake sales to raise money for its next bomber. They tried to scuttle every weapons program during the Cold War. Now they're born again hard? Sure.

Now they want a war with Russia. And Iran. And anyone else. Of course they'll be the restrictive ROE (rules of engagement) to ensure that only our troops, airmen and sailors pay the ultimate price and victory is always out of reach.

Posted by: grizzledcoastie at November 18, 2020 05:26 PM (FMgad)

131 What?!!! I step out for a minute and miss the Candace Owens Manly Men Manning Manily thread?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2020 05:26 PM (+y/Ru)

132 Afghanistan is as strategically important as the dark side of the Moon. Unless you're into heroin.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (9TdxA)

*looks around nervously*

Posted by: The CIA at November 18, 2020 05:26 PM (aKqzO)

133 I don't know any voter base that really wants this, Left or Right, the big exception being the Beltway Corridor and the K-Street lobbyists that represent the defense contractors and bored Pentagon/State Department types that want to feel important.

Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2020 05:26 PM (gkdnV)

134 >>>We have a bigger and more legitimate "national security interest" in bombing and invading most of Minneapolis, Minnesota than we do Afghanistan.


yes. The terrorists and apocalyptic fascists are inside the wire.

Posted by: ace at November 18, 2020 05:26 PM (C+F5p)

135 113 no

Posted by: Definitely believes in the rot of the DOJ at November 18, 2020 05:26 PM (ONvIw)

136 I served in Iraq, now consider it a wasted fucking year. TRUMP did more for military lives by unleashing fracking than any president in US history

Posted by: Mr pink at November 18, 2020 05:26 PM (Vltru)

137 When did the left decide the military industrial complex is trustworthy?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 18, 2020 05:26 PM (f1bZn)

138 Technically, if you consider the USSR's time fighting in Afghanistan, it's the third generation.
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (+S1Fy)
+++++++++++++
The Great Game has been being played since at least the 19th century and will possibly not end for centuries more.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2020 05:26 PM (hYcqw)

139 Our "allies" among the European countries aren't.

They are just a different type of enemy.


Posted by: 18-1 at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (qlFIA)

140 Byron York spits out today that Trump is persevering just to show his base he is fighting for them. Does anyone here believe that?
Posted by: AnnaS at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (l4l/z)

The style is someone who doesn't expect the Supreme Court to overturn the election results, but York is DEAD wrong. The fact is, Trump fights. That Is why he will have an army of 30 million plus, ready to kill as many people as necessary.

Posted by: trev006 at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (AFhHS)

141 MSM: Is anyone ["anonymous sources"] admitting yet that this is all a PR exercise, after Trump racks up defeat after humiliating defeat in court cases?

Posted by: The Echo Chamber is Deafening at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (BBWrU)

142
So the same Shits telling us we NEED to stay in Afghanistan are the ones who said NOTHING while our own cities were burned and terrorized just last week and for the last 7 months!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (aAFjn)

143 The US controls it's own energy destiny now with our own oil and gas. KSA is isolated and will always play ball with us - fuck everyone else.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (4NtsG)

144 PS Im so sick of those lame ass men calling themselves Republican (such as Lindsey Graham) I could scream! I could not care less what York or Romney or Whats his name at Townhall or any of them think of the president. I called today to change my registration from Republican to Independent. Sick of these weak kneed sisters!

Posted by: AnnaS at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (l4l/z)

145 My quick scorecards of US Wins, Losses and Stalemates according to me:

French & Indian War S
American Revolution W
War of 1812 S
Barbary Wars S
Mexican-American War S
Indian Wars S
Spanish-American War W
Banana Wars S
WWI W* (* shared credit)
WWII W*
Korea S
Viet Nam L
Grenada W
Panama W
GW1 W
GW2 S
Afghanistan S

I'm a retired Marine. All I can say is, we fight hard when we fight. But fighting isn't what Americans do best. And thank God for that.

Posted by: MarkW at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (iDVR9)

146 113 Byron York spits out today that Trump is persevering just to show his base he is fighting for them. Does anyone here believe that?
Posted by: AnnaS at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (l4l/z)

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I was hoping this wasn't true. But it's been 2+ weeks and jack shit has happened, no Krakens have been released. It's just a show now.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (22mNy)

147 Neoconservatism as a term , has been corrupted.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (zr5Kq)

148 Afghanistan is as strategically important as the dark side of the Moon. Unless you're into heroin.

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DADDY. WE NEED OT PACIFY THEM. NOW!

Posted by: Hunter Biden looking at his empty heroin stash at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (qlFIA)

149 People don't have the balls or the stomach to fight in theater the way this war needs to be fought. Meanwhile good men are dying. For what, a bunch of Washington douchebags idea of war? Do we need a presence there? Sure. Grab a base and play whack a mole when people get out of line. But we dont need to be fighting combat ops. Too many good men have paid for the politicians idiocy. We did the same thing in Iraq with that douchebag Paul Bremmer. They either have no capacity to learn or don't care. I guess the latter.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at November 18, 2020 05:28 PM (Ls4Qw)

150 107 Ace may have given up on this election but i haven't, the evidence for fraud is so overwhelming.

but Ace don't wanna talk 'bout that
Posted by: Shoey at November 18, 2020 05:23 PM (hmNVd)


That's not fair.. plenty of posts on that. Unless something significant happens is Ace supposed to rehash the same shit 50 different ways? Who is he Kevin Williamson?

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 18, 2020 05:28 PM (+2xjH)

151 Romney has 5 sons, neither they nor he served so maybe he should just STFU.

Posted by: EveR at November 18, 2020 05:28 PM (DsGxB)

152 Black Sabbath says it best.

https://tinyurl.com/y4eqcpz5

Posted by: Ward at November 18, 2020 05:28 PM (nzKWW)

153 Honest answer:

Because Europe can't do the job and we don't want the world's oil supply to be controlled by assholes. We are, thanks to fracking, exporters. All our allies are importers and we can't supply their demand.

We leave entirely (this goes outside of Afgan and Iraq), then Iran and Russia become the energy power brokers for the world.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns




This is correct.

My own view now is that the US should commit to keeping the sea lanes open for trade, and be prepared to level any uppity dictatorships that threaten those sea lanes. 80 percent of world trade is by sea, and we no longer need middle east oil.

And we should have the ability to destroy China and Russia from space if need be. Just because they are the most likely threats to try to reconstitute their empires.

Boots on the ground, though? Fuck that shit. No more.

Dust off and nuke from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 18, 2020 05:28 PM (BM2fS)

154 In many ways, we probably would have been better off if Gore had won in 2000.

You defiantly don't get Gulf War II - Blood and Treasure Boogaloo.

The left doesn't whip themselves in a frenzy to defeat Bush Hitler giving rise to the SCOAMF and the movements towards marxism.


You probably don't get Trump also, but the conditions in the country would be such that a Trump would be necessary at this time.


Anyway, all roads back from us being on the brink of American Marxism lead back to the the disastrous wars in the gulf for the sole benefit of the MIC.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (k0lFF)

155 >I will wage my own private guerrilla war against the state in any way that I can.
Posted by: barney rubble at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (D2wY0)

Irish Democracy. They will have earned it.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (L106N)

156 I guess I have to agree with Ace about not being anti-war per se, but this situation is and has been untenable.

We've been guards for poppy warlords as a condition of their support, we've chased the same goat fuckers around the hills until their kids were old enough to take up their guns. Nothing has changed.

It would be nice if we had clearer goals going in.
It would be nice if we achieved them. Without mission creep that keeps us there.
Then left.

I was thankful that GW was in charge after 9/11 because he had a more measured approach than I would have.
Now I think I would have been more correct with my Wheel of Death policy than history has shown him to be.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (z79tQ)

157 George Mitchell changed the World and most Americans don't know who he is. The Father of Fracking led changes that eliminated our dependence on foreign oil. We no longer need to run on our foreign policy and military as a vassal state.

Afghanistan is as strategically important as the dark side of the Moon. Unless you're into heroin.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (9TdxA)

My mom lives in The Woodlands. Probably half the people who live there don't know who he is or at least what he did, including my mother.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (WUuhi)

158 the real question is, how many members of the US Officer corps will support him? If many are like Mattis and McMasters, the answer is likely to be not enough.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2020 05:19 PM (Kpl3J)

Depends. Who will determine my rank?

I can say that when I retired in 2007, there would've been a lot of them. This new breed that survived Obama's purges? Not so much. The military is so overrun with careerist SOBs and no warriors that it's become another tool of the Left's continual assault on Western Civilization. Trannies dealing with classified information even though they're mentally unstable. YES! Unqualified minorities getting billets they can't fill. YES! Plenty of diversity training for all while neglecting maintenance and real training that saves lives in battle. YES!

Posted by: grizzledcoastie at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (FMgad)

159 It was a response to counterculture during Vietnam and so on, peace through strength (who would argue agains that?).

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (zr5Kq)

160 ... And, frankly, who cares if Iran and Russia are the energy brokers to Europe? It really sounds like a "them" problem, not an us problem. ...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM (UPoLF)
+++++++++++
Only for about the past three years. We became energy independent for the first time in half a century, and that changed a *lot* of the math on the ground in terms of international affairs and especially for Middle East affairs.

We're going to have to go back, and do so in force and forever to maintain global energy stability if Biden pulls off his theft. When the US stops producing oil again, the former joule-political status quo is going to become necessary again (or some version of it).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (hYcqw)

161 The US controls it's own energy destiny now with our own oil and gas. KSA is isolated and will always play ball with us - fuck everyone else.
Posted by: Heart of Darkness at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (4NtsG


Not any more.

Posted by: Biden and Harris at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (hOMhY)

162 THIS is one of my biggest blind spots in coming out of the GOPe. I *really* believed the whole wmd thing re:Iraq, and at the end of the day it might have been true. I really think Trump's undoing is/may be his success in ME.
Entire institutions and careers are built on the idea of ongoing conflict in the sandbox.
He's a threat to all of that.

Posted by: Zombie Bill Buckley, smoking dope on a yacht, in international waters at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (5gojj)

163 111 We leave entirely (this goes outside of Afgan and Iraq), then Iran and Russia become the energy power brokers for the world.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (ifmtJ)

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And??
Seriously, so what? So Russia's oligarchs will get rich from oil vs Saudi oligarchs. Oh my!
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (22mNy)

And then Russia and Iran get to influence what Europe does. Because they have them by the short and curlies.

Which eventually will result in a bigger war which will probably suck us into it. Again.

Keeping wars small is better than sending millions off to the Old Country again.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (ifmtJ)

164 Oh, there will be wars.

Just not the kind of wars they are used to.



And too bad for them, and all CCP azz-eaters.

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It's probably worth asking-how much of this bitching about pulling out of countries we couldn't point out on a map is because it allows for a greater foe on our actual enemy-China?

Posted by: Methos at November 18, 2020 05:30 PM (kOpft)

165 The only way we'll reduce their ability to get
into more and more stupid foreign wars for profit is to reduce their
means to do so.


Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 18, 2020 05:17 PM (Vq1Cl)



That's never been the case in all of history. The only thing a weak military gets you is more conflict.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 18, 2020 05:18 PM (Kz3T7)

Chart our foreign deployments pre-WW2, and after. Give our political class a gun cabinet, and you can bet your ass they'll use it. But I knew I'd get push-back on cutting the military as soon as I wrote it. A big military is baked into the id and ego of the American Conservative. Just like a big police department. And neither of those serve our interests. It's just another example of that circular thinking that we seemed determined never to break, no matter how often it bites us in the ass. We really do, on the Right, insist on building our own problems. We're wedded to them.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 18, 2020 05:30 PM (Vq1Cl)

166 When did Judge Judy transition to Ma Kettle?

Posted by: klaftern at November 18, 2020 05:30 PM (RuIsu)

167
Mexican-American War S
Indian Wars S


I'm a retired Marine. All I can say is, we fight hard when we fight. But fighting isn't what Americans do best. And thank God for that.
Posted by: MarkW at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (iDVR9)

How are these wars stalemates? We took their stuff.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:30 PM (Zm+LZ)

168 We need new intellectual. Newt is an intellectual and a historian. A patriotic man. We need more like him.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 05:30 PM (zr5Kq)

169 The US controls it's own energy destiny now with our
own oil and gas. KSA is isolated and will always play ball with us -
fuck everyone else.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (4NtsG)

Not if Biden's no fracking, no drilling, all Green New Deal take over.....

Posted by: Colin at November 18, 2020 05:30 PM (2I9OG)

170 106


I'll put this as delicately as only I can:



We have a bigger and more legitimate "national security interest" in
bombing and invading most of Minneapolis, Minnesota Washington DC than we do
Afghanistan.



Why are we fighting our "enemies" in Afghanistan when we have enemies right here in the USA, in Congress, even?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:23 PM (aAFjn)
FIFY. Do DC and put the word out that the BS stops now. F.A.F.O.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 18, 2020 05:30 PM (D3cJf)

171 I was hoping this wasn't true. But it's been 2+ weeks and jack shit has happened, no Krakens have been released. It's just a show now.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (22mNy)

If you're not on The Donald.Win getting all the updates in real time, you're not even in the game. For instance, the massive vote Spike at 3:42 in Wisconsin.

You know the score, now do you have the will to address it?

Posted by: trev006 at November 18, 2020 05:30 PM (AFhHS)

172 Afghanistan is as strategically important as the dark side of the Moon"

I am guessing you don't own a map or know shit about the region. Congratulations, DoS has a job for you.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at November 18, 2020 05:31 PM (Ls4Qw)

173 Buckley sock off

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 18, 2020 05:31 PM (5gojj)

174 Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (k0lFF)

Crap like this comment is what makes me feel like I'm a man without a country. Every man for themselves.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at November 18, 2020 05:31 PM (WUuhi)

175 Afghanistan has huge deposits of rare earth minerals. The Chinese now hold all those mining rights.

We should have sent the Afghani's a five year supply of toilet paper. That would have been a more productive step to nation building.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 18, 2020 05:31 PM (Gz0CT)

176
Bush said "it's better to fight them over there than over here."

We all said, yeah, bro, makes sense.

But while Bush was saying that, he was bringing them over here!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:31 PM (aAFjn)

177 In many ways, we probably would have been better off if Gore had won in 2000.

***

I'm tending to think that myself. The blame for 9/11 got dissipated due to the attacks happening under Bush and he did a good enough job on squelching domestic Islamist terror that the left got back to normal very quickly.


A President Gore presiding over 9/11 and the response would like have ended the Democrats for a generation much like Carter and the Iranian hostages but far more impactful.


Of course that presumes we get say a Fred Thompson in 2004 and not John McCain.



Posted by: 18-1 at November 18, 2020 05:31 PM (qlFIA)

178 @67

Russia's GDP is less than NY States.


Russia is Deep State/Globalist/MIC Macguffen.


Nothing more.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 18, 2020 05:32 PM (k0lFF)

179 When I was in the Persian Gulf War, I admittedly thought at the time in my youthful naivete that we made a mistake stopping at the Iraqi border. I realize now that our leaders at the time knew what the potential consequences were for us.

No, if we'd removed Saddam back in 1990 we wouldn't have had to deal with many of the problems we had later, because we wouldn't have had that extra decade of Saddam in power. We could have handed off control to an Iraqi society that we less broke and still exhausted by the Iran-Iraq war and left.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 18, 2020 05:32 PM (Kz3T7)

180 ...My own view now is that the US should commit to keeping the sea lanes open for trade, and be prepared to level any uppity dictatorships that threaten those sea lanes. ...
Posted by: Sharkman at November 18, 2020 05:28 PM (BM2fS)
+++++++++
Mandatory. The moment we fail to do this, we are no longer a superpower. The existential basis of virtually every treaty we have ever signed is that the United States secures the seas and can use the seas to project power. No treaty we've signed since the end of WWII has any value whatsoever if we fail to defend the high seas.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2020 05:32 PM (hYcqw)

181 I don't think these two kids are going to want to fight in any overseas wars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB2CKMK73zs

They aren't the only ones. I've been watching a few reaction videos and I don't think it's all hopeless. When you've got young black men rockin' out to The Amazing Blue Oyster Cult, there's a chance.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 18, 2020 05:32 PM (KAi1n)

182 The Euros all all banning ICE cars so this should all take care of itself in a decade or so.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:32 PM (22mNy)

183 Crap like this comment is what makes me feel like I'm a man without a country. Every man for themselves.
Posted by: Alabaster Jones at November 18, 2020 05:31 PM (WUuhi)


Bloviator. Pay him no mind.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 05:32 PM (zr5Kq)

184 Russia can feed on the corpse of Europe as far as I am concerned. Maybe they can get strong enough long enough to fend off China.

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 18, 2020 05:33 PM (yQpMk)

185 THIS is one of my biggest blind spots in coming out of the GOPe. I *really* believed the whole wmd thing re:Iraq, and at the end of the day it might have been true. I really think Trump's undoing is/may be his success in ME.
Entire institutions and careers are built on the idea of ongoing conflict in the sandbox.
He's a threat to all of that.
Posted by: Zombie Bill Buckley, smoking dope on a yacht, in international waters at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (5gojj)

There were instances of chemical shells being found and at least one that I remember of an IED that was built with a sarin artillery shell (bombers didn't know what it was). Saddam was known to have NBCs previously and there was no real reason to assume he wasn't holding more.

Posted by: The CIA at November 18, 2020 05:33 PM (aKqzO)

186 I can say that when I retired in 2007, there would've been a lot of them. This new breed that survived Obama's purges? Not so much. The military is so overrun with careerist SOBs and no warriors that it's become another tool of the Left's continual assault on Western Civilization. Trannies dealing with classified information even though they're mentally unstable. YES! Unqualified minorities getting billets they can't fill. YES! Plenty of diversity training for all while neglecting maintenance and real training that saves lives in battle. YES!
Posted by: grizzledcoastie at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (FMgad)

Nailed it.

Posted by: golfman at November 18, 2020 05:33 PM (hOMhY)

187 "We took their stuff."

Say what?

Posted by: Gen Custer's mutilated corpse at November 18, 2020 05:33 PM (w7KSn)

188 And they should be out there fighting in Vogue male cocktail dresses! We must support the tranny pleasure-boys in the Kabul market. Women for babies; young boys for ballot-counting!

Posted by: david ffrench at November 18, 2020 05:33 PM (UDapT)

189 >The NeoCons like their wars like they like sex: pointless, victory free and carried out by other people.
Posted by: Surfperch at November 18, 2020 05:23 PM (/4vtq)

Thread winner

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 18, 2020 05:33 PM (L106N)

190 I wonder if we ever really had a President that was truly CIC. The deep state and generals have been running the show for years. This is why they hate Trump. It's disturbing.

Posted by: spypeach at November 18, 2020 05:33 PM (Up/Jb)

191 176
Bush said "it's better to fight them over there than over here."

We all said, yeah, bro, makes sense.

But while Bush was saying that, he was bringing them over here!
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:31 PM (aAFjn)

Yeah, Bush sucked at keeping Radical Islam out of the US

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:33 PM (ifmtJ)

192 I'm a retired Marine. All I can say is, we fight hard when we fight. But fighting isn't what Americans do best. And thank God for that.
Posted by: MarkW at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (iDVR9)

That's the way most wars are. War is an extension of politics. It almost never ends with unconditional surrender and a victory parade. At best one side wins a big battle, gains a bit of ground, and both sides back off until a few years later when they fight it out all over again.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 18, 2020 05:33 PM (Kz3T7)

193 As a official deep-thinker - I actually am - I have to quit reading this stuff. Hate all the Deep Swamp and Media and elected bureaucrats so much that it's impacting my ability to function.

Back tomorrow for a limited time.

I sent my GOPe Rep, Ann Wagner of MO, an email entitled, Day of Reckoning. Quoted Zechariah to her, doubt she gives a rat's ass except to put my name on a list. That felt productive.

Posted by: BarcelonaCarmen at November 18, 2020 05:34 PM (+CiEK)

194 I miss the days when the Donks and media (BIRM) were concerned about grim milestones.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2020 05:34 PM (+y/Ru)

195 I will wage my own private guerrilla war against the state in any way that I can.
Posted by: barney rubble at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (D2wY0)

Irish Democracy. They will have earned it.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (L106N)

This is what needs to happen, if the Deep State wins.

Posted by: Gaelic Girl at November 18, 2020 05:34 PM (5FCda)

196 154 In many ways, we probably would have been better off if Gore had won in 2000.

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No Bush in 2000 means no Obama in 2008.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:34 PM (22mNy)

197 187 "We took their stuff."

Say what?
Posted by: Gen Custer's mutilated corpse at November 18, 2020 05:33 PM (w7KSn)

If casualties mean a stalemate, we've never won any wars. Very clearly we beat the Indians and Mexico.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:34 PM (Zm+LZ)

198 Russia's GDP is less than NY States.



Iran's is less than Dallas-Fort Worth.

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 18, 2020 05:34 PM (yQpMk)

199 I don't know a MAGA supporter who would support their son's to enlist under Biden/Harris. Let them draft the children of their Dem base.

Posted by: BluesFish at November 18, 2020 05:34 PM (WQZ1O)

200 Only for about the past three years. We became energy independent for the first time in half a century, and that changed a *lot* of the math on the ground in terms of international affairs and especially for Middle East affairs.

We're going to have to go back, and do so in force and forever to maintain global energy stability if Biden pulls off his theft. When the US stops producing oil again, the former joule-political status quo is going to become necessary again (or some version of it).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (hYcqw)

Technically, yes.

But in practice -- not really. We haven't been a large importer of ME oil in decades.

Most of our imports came from Canada and Venezuela. But even in 2004, we were still producing 50+% of our own oil domestically.

Most of that ME oil goes to either Europe or Asia. And has for many, many decades.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:34 PM (UPoLF)

201 Bush said "it's better to fight them over there than over here."

We all said, yeah, bro, makes sense.

But while Bush was saying that, he was bringing them over here!

---> this biggest crazy event in western history was the moment the left convinced us there's a moral imperative to demographic changing, unchecked immigration

Posted by: President Elect RedCheckmark at November 18, 2020 05:34 PM (a3Tyz)

202 Even more significant than the decades of war with no result is that there are new facts on the ground in the US, namely that our government is corrupt, lawless, illegitimate, and not worth fighting for.

It sees us as the enemy, and has no compunction about persecuting us while breaking every law and flaunting all Constitutional restraints in doing so.

So why should anyone die for such an entity? We aren't free anymore so we aren't fighting for liberty. We aren't fighting to stop the spread of ideologies inimical to the west and the Enlightenment such as Islam, or socialism. Those, and worse, are embraced by our elites.

So what is the point of the entire exercise?

Posted by: Thatch at November 18, 2020 05:35 PM (qWceQ)

203


Are manly Jay Nordlinger and manly David French looking for more wars to prove how manly they are by writing about it?

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at November 18, 2020 05:35 PM (lg/F7)

204 When did the left decide the military industrial complex is trustworthy?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 18, 2020 05:26 PM (f1bZn)


After Obamao put them in charge of the Petagon.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 18, 2020 05:35 PM (/Dgcm)

205 None of they guys ever says what the strategic reason for staying is and what the conditions are for a withdrawal. I'm going with China is paying them off so we continue wasting resources.

Posted by: WOPR - Election Theater Participant at November 18, 2020 05:35 PM (J70i0)

206 The NeoCons like their wars like they like sex: pointless, victory free and carried out by other people.
Posted by: Surfperch at November 18, 2020 05:23 PM (/4vtq)
+++++++++++
Damn, son.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2020 05:35 PM (hYcqw)

207 >>> 113 Byron York spits out today that Trump is persevering just to show his base he is fighting for them. Does anyone here believe that?
Posted by: AnnaS at November 18, 2020 05:24 PM (l4l/z)

Just? I don't think so. Part of it is, he's not a quitter. Not in any circumstance.

But I will say that unlike any politician of my lifetime Trump actually cares about what I think and actively fight for what I've asked for. To his own persecution.

Leftists fight for the left because it directly benefits them with power as that is the currency of the ruling class. If a leftist ever fails, they are only showered with adulation and no-work gigs. When they weigh their choices in life the consequences of the left's actions always balance heavily towards great comfort and pleasure.

Trump? He's got nothing out of this but pain. But there he is. Fighting still. It confuses the intelligentsia.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 18, 2020 05:35 PM (l6b3d)

208 There were instances of chemical shells being found and at least one that I remember of an IED that was built with a sarin artillery shell (bombers didn't know what it was). Saddam was known to have NBCs previously and there was no real reason to assume he wasn't holding more.
Posted by: The CIA at November 18, 2020 05:33 PM (aKqzO)

As far as I can tell, Saddam wanted to restart his program, and tried to play a game where he convinced the West that he was disarmed, while convincing his own people that he was still armed. The problem is that when our intelligence is often based on his behavior towards his own people and what his insiders seem to believe, we're going to assume that he's got WMDs.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at November 18, 2020 05:35 PM (Kz3T7)

209 #121 I agree. Every time I got a text from ole Mitch for some down ticket, I wrote back and said when you start fighting for the prez, Ill start contributing.

Posted by: AnnaS at November 18, 2020 05:35 PM (l4l/z)

210 I'd rather have $5 gas than thousands of Americans dead every year and trillions spent on endless wars to protect "oil shipping lanes".

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:36 PM (22mNy)

211
The Biden/Romney Plan:

After fucking up yet another region of the world and killing our young men to do it, admit hundreds of thousands of fake refugees. Resettle the refugees in parts of this country that are way too free of crime, so the young men's parents can be killed too. Talk loudly and sanctimoniously about liberation and a bold new progressive future for the countries reduced to ruins and anarchy.

It's OK when they do it.

Repeat.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 18, 2020 05:36 PM (xopF2)

212
Here's an infuriating flashback for you:

Cocksucking cigar-smoking smiling George Tenet.

Yeah, you remember the image.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:36 PM (aAFjn)

213 Let's see, England couldn't master Afghanistan, Russia couldn't, we can't - have at it China. It's called the graveyard of empires for a reason people. And anyone who thinks out matters (Hesco) is a dumbass.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at November 18, 2020 05:36 PM (4NtsG)

214 But while Bush was saying that, he was bringing them over here!
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:31 PM (aAFjn)

Yeah, Bush sucked at keeping Radical Islam out of the US
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:33 PM (ifmtJ)

No, he actively invited the members of "the religion of peace" to this country.

I forget the states, but a shocking number of Muslims in the US in 2020 came here post-9/11. Many under the Bush years and under Bush admin policies.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:36 PM (UPoLF)

215 "A flash drive that contained crucial #absentee voter information in the 2020 presidential election was briefly lost during the early morning hours of Wednesday Nov. 4 as the world waited for #Milwaukee to reveal its ballot counts. Sources within Milwaukee County law enforcement"

Well, it was only *briefly* lost, no need to worry!

Posted by: Chain of Custardy at November 18, 2020 05:36 PM (BBWrU)

216 @196

I'll take that trade every day and twice on Sunday.

The only positive thing to come out of the Bush administration is Sam Alito.


We are where we are primarily because of his 8 disastrous years.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 18, 2020 05:36 PM (k0lFF)

217 202 Even more significant than the decades of war with no result is that there are new facts on the ground in the US, namely that our government is corrupt, lawless, illegitimate, and not worth fighting for.

It sees us as the enemy, and has no compunction about persecuting us while breaking every law and flaunting all Constitutional restraints in doing so.

So why should anyone die for such an entity? We aren't free anymore so we aren't fighting for liberty. We aren't fighting to stop the spread of ideologies inimical to the west and the Enlightenment such as Islam, or socialism. Those, and worse, are embraced by our elites.

So what is the point of the entire exercise?
Posted by: Thatch at November 18, 2020 05:35 PM (qWceQ)

Higher oil prices for the Green New Deal. Nothing so good for oil prices as a war in the Middle East.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:36 PM (Zm+LZ)

218 Um WAR uh what is it good for...Shutin up your enemies..Um WAR uh what is it good for...Testing new technologies...Um WAR uh what is it good for...Protecting your democracy.

Posted by: Peaceful War at November 18, 2020 05:37 PM (SQJo+)

219 reading Ace's words, it makes me realize that gen-x has grown up. We grew up with the cold war in the present, WWII and Vietnam in the rearview. It was winnable, we thought, if we just stuck with it. But now we know the left really will politicize the war, just like they did with covid. And, oh by the way, while we're fighting there, our macho gungho politicians are losing here.

fight iraq but not the commie simp teachers turning Gex Z into street fighting radicals.

Posted by: President Elect RedCheckmark at November 18, 2020 05:37 PM (a3Tyz)

220 What's going on in Georgia? Could Trump really take the recount? Is that true?

Posted by: cpurick at November 18, 2020 05:37 PM (JfbTV)

221
I get that the CIA is a "secret" organization, but I really find it hard to believe they've done any good whatsoever, ever.

9/11? Completely missed it.
The last few china viruses? Completely missed it.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:37 PM (aAFjn)

222 ... Most of our imports came from Canada and Venezuela. But even in 2004, we were still producing 50+% of our own oil domestically. ...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:34 PM (UPoLF)
++++++++++
While true, oil is a global commodity and is extremely fungible. Without energy independence, you have to prepare to stabilize the entire market in perpetuity, and that includes far-flung locales even if we don't use much of their oil directly under normal circumstances.

If you are energy independent, though, you can shield yourself from that by controlling energy exports. If there's a supply shock and prices are becoming untenable, you can restrict the amount of oil that you export and stabilize prices at home, or even use your exports to play kingmaker by favoring useful allies for export product.

But if you're an importer, you have to care about the global supply and market in order to maintain your own status.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2020 05:38 PM (hYcqw)

223 Keeping wars small is better than sending millions off to the Old Country again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (ifmtJ)


Or how's about this time we just don't go. As silly a notion as that is, that Europe is going to be a hot war with Russia and Iran, how about this time, when they come calling, we just say no!

No, Europe. No more of our men, no more of our money, no more of our blood, sweat and tears to keep you from tearing yourselves apart.

Send Greta. She seems to speak for you all these days.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2020 05:38 PM (hku12)

224 220 What's going on in Georgia? Could Trump really take the recount? Is that true?
Posted by: cpurick at November 18, 2020 05:37 PM (JfbTV)

__

Not if we can help it
- The entire Georgia GOP

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:38 PM (22mNy)

225 Fighting never-ending wars is like failure theater. It lets the neocons look like they're doing something and allows them to comment without ever proposing tested solutions or having anyone "check their work."

It keeps the $$$ rolling in and they never have to produce a finished product.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 18, 2020 05:38 PM (BJKQV)

226
Romney can be "Secretary of National Humiliation and Apology" in the Biden Cabinet.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 18, 2020 05:38 PM (xopF2)

227 Under both Bush admins. muslim immigration exploded. Mosques everywhere, funded by SA.

Posted by: attila with the heartbreak of psoriasis at November 18, 2020 05:38 PM (w7KSn)

228 I supported the war in Iraq initially because I felt based on the evidence presented, that they had weapons of mass destruction. There seemed little doubt that Saddam was trying to aid and provoke more terrorist activity. I had hopes for a tough but short campaign by the rough men who stand guard over our country. I supported a war which would not only halt Iraq but convince other terrorist s-holes that it was truly , truly not in their best interests to mess with the US.

I did not support an erroneous diagnosis by a Clinton holdover and a long nation building process.

Although the R's bear some blame, it would have been far better and more conclusive had the left not undermined the effort by crossing the water's edge to cozy up to our enemies.

Posted by: RM at November 18, 2020 05:38 PM (U3LtS)

229 I will wage my own private guerrilla war against the state in any way that I can.

Posted by: barney rubble




If you live in California, I'm sure Eric Swalwell will nuke you until . . .

your barney rubble bounces.





Sorry. Had to.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 18, 2020 05:39 PM (BM2fS)

230 Russia's main concern these days is its border. What goes on on its border. The illiterate (or malevolent) twitter gang that is arguing that decreasing troops in Afghanistan is good for Russia are insane. Russia does not need CHechen terrorists moving opium into all the 'stans. Russia gave Bush transit through its territory during invasion. They WANT US THERE.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 05:39 PM (zr5Kq)

231 When we finally build the guillotines, who goes first: Newsom or Cuomo?

Daily Caller
@DailyCaller
After forcing nursing homes to accept covid patients, presiding over a state with one of the highest death rates in the country, and writing a book about what a great job he did, Gov. Cuomo has decided the problem here is everyone else

Quote Tweet
News 8 WROC
@News_8 · 3h
Gov. Cuomo on following COVID-19 rules: "If you're socially distant, and you wore a mask, and you were smart, none of this would be a problem - it's all self imposed. If you didn't eat the cheesecake you wouldn't have a weight problem."
1:16 PM · Nov 18, 2020

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at November 18, 2020 05:39 PM (FBrfY)

232 The ME has been at war with itself forever. Russia has been at war or planning on being at war with Europe forever.

I'm tired of giving a fuck about it or using my country's resources to try and stop the unstoppable.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:39 PM (22mNy)

233 Technically, if you consider the USSR's time fighting in Afghanistan, it's the third generation.




Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at November 18, 2020 05:25 PM

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The Russian Military has a name for the veterans who served in Afghanistan. They call them Afghansty and they have a tremendous suicide and alcoholic rate.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 18, 2020 05:39 PM (JUOKG)

234 224 220 What's going on in Georgia? Could Trump really take the recount? Is that true?
Posted by: cpurick at November 18, 2020 05:37 PM (JfbTV)

__

Not if we can help it
- The entire Georgia GOP
Posted by: Asshoes at Novemb


====>

meanwhile, there's a perfect chance for POTUS revote when they do the Senate runoff.

BUT

the left will cheat the same way with the same tools and we, the GOP's victims, will lose the election in the same way

Posted by: President Elect RedCheckmark at November 18, 2020 05:40 PM (a3Tyz)

235 215
"A flash drive that contained crucial #absentee voter information in the
2020 presidential election was briefly lost during the early morning
hours of Wednesday Nov. 4 as the world waited for #Milwaukee to reveal
its ballot counts. Sources within Milwaukee County law enforcement"



Well, it was only *briefly* lost, no need to worry!

tucked it in my other briefs.

Posted by: Milwaukee County Election Official at November 18, 2020 05:40 PM (sGtp+)

236 ... Gov. Cuomo on following COVID-19 rules: "If you're socially distant, and you wore a mask, and you were smart, none of this would be a problem - it's all self imposed. If you didn't eat the cheesecake you wouldn't have a weight problem." ...
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at November 18, 2020 05:39 PM (FBrfY)
++++++++++
What an asshoe.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2020 05:40 PM (hYcqw)

237 Trump pissed the swamp (in and out of DC) off because he wanted RESULTS, not just never-ending theories and never-ending talk. But the theories and the talk were these guy's bread and butter.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 18, 2020 05:40 PM (BJKQV)

238 Posted by: MarkW at November 18, 2020 05:27 PM (iDVR9)

You left out the Tanker War with Iran. It was the largest deployment of US Naval forces since WWII. I was part of that war, with 19 designated combat missions flown over the Persian Gulf. But I'll give you a pass because most people have no idea it happened.

Posted by: guy who always says there will be a reckoning at November 18, 2020 05:41 PM (A73dY)

239 But if you're an importer, you have to care about the global supply and market in order to maintain your own status.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2020 05:38 PM (hYcqw)

That's long been the argument, but again -- we couldn't work a deal with Chavez and Canada on the side to give the US first priority on any oil?

I suspect we could.

We are, as they say, the world's lone super power.

But anyways, that's behind us. We don't need the Canucks anymore for oil, and god only knows what's going on with Venezuela and if they'll ever be able to pump massive amounts of oil again.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:41 PM (UPoLF)

240 China is not going to fight in Afghanistan but they are going to strip mine the hell out of it.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 18, 2020 05:41 PM (Gz0CT)

241 Let's see, England couldn't master Afghanistan, Russia couldn't, we can't - have at it China. It's called the graveyard of empires for a reason people. And anyone who thinks out matters (Hesco) is a dumbass.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness




China will impose a media blackout, kill everyone living within 200 miles of the country's rare earth deposits and then strip mine the place.

And nobody in the West will say shit about it.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 18, 2020 05:41 PM (BM2fS)

242 Off sock

Posted by: fly at November 18, 2020 05:42 PM (A73dY)

243 I was ok with being in Astan long enough to neutralize al Qaeda and the Taliban, then departing after leaving a note saying "don't make us come back."

Posted by: irongrampa at November 18, 2020 05:42 PM (KATBx)

244 When the military charged a soldier for stopping an Afghan alley from raping a child, I lost all confidence in the war and switched to total withdrawal.

But apparently it's not a dealbreaker for neverTrumpers or democrats.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 18, 2020 05:42 PM (iWCRg)

245 And nobody in the West will say shit about it.
___

How China's own War on Terror is producing the results America never did - and helping the people of Afghanistan too!

Posted by: Future FNM headlines at November 18, 2020 05:42 PM (qlFIA)

246 Afghanistan has nothing the world wants

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2020 05:42 PM (9sWOw)

247 Which eventually will result in a bigger war which will probably suck us into it. Again.



Keeping wars small is better than sending millions off to the Old Country again.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (ifmtJ)

No, we just stay out of it. Russia isn't invading Europe. The Muslims and Africans already did. Stop living in the past. Honestly, had we stayed out of WWI, Europe would be far better off.

Posted by: WOPR - Election Theater Participant at November 18, 2020 05:42 PM (J70i0)

248 241 Let's see, England couldn't master Afghanistan, Russia couldn't, we can't - have at it China. It's called the graveyard of empires for a reason people. And anyone who thinks out matters (Hesco) is a dumbass.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness




China will impose a media blackout, kill everyone living within 200 miles of the country's rare earth deposits and then strip mine the place.

And nobody in the West will say shit about it.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 18, 2020 05:41 PM (BM2fS)

More likely they'll just cut deals with the local bigwigs and warlords. More their style.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:42 PM (Zm+LZ)

249 briefly lost



===


lost and found votes ! are you missing biden votes ? come to lost and found votes dot com. we will find them for you !



Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 05:42 PM (zr5Kq)

250 NPR: Police in Berlin used water cannons Wednesday to disperse protesters who refused to wear masks and follow public health measures.

The tightly packed crowd gathered to object to government restrictions aimed at fighting the spread of the coronavirus.

Posted by: What was that about Germany again? at November 18, 2020 05:42 PM (BBWrU)

251 37 >>If we won't kill those people, then we shouldn't go there.


I feel this exact way about weddings and dinner parties.

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Best Comment I have ever seen!

Posted by: barney rubble at November 18, 2020 05:43 PM (D2wY0)

252 Dirka dirka dirka

Posted by: Dirka at November 18, 2020 05:43 PM (93KBH)

253 China will impose a media blackout, kill everyone living within 200 miles of the country's rare earth deposits and then strip mine the place.

And nobody in the West will say shit about it.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 18, 2020 05:41 PM (BM2fS)

More likely they'll just cut deals with the local bigwigs and warlords. More their style.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:42 PM (Zm+LZ)


both are plausible; if cutting a deal won't work, plan b.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 05:44 PM (zr5Kq)

254 According to Trump's legal team they have to wait until votes are certified for them to file an appeal and then drop their big evidences. The goal, I assume, is to drop enough evidence to get them not to certify (for Biden), and then, if they do, drop the big stuff in the appeal.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 18, 2020 05:44 PM (ZR7kf)

255
France just had beheadings and murders last month.
Why aren't we in France??

I'm not even sure there are any radical muslims left in Afghanistan!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:44 PM (aAFjn)

256 When the military charged a soldier for stopping an Afghan alley from raping a child, I lost all confidence in the war and switched to total withdrawal.

I think that was my point too. Until then I was willing for them to make it work, take off the gloves, stop it with all the restrictions and rules and take it to the enemy.

At that point I realized it was unwinnable not because we cannot win but because the people in charge didn't want to.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2020 05:44 PM (KZzsI)

257 That's long been the argument, but again -- we couldn't work a deal with Chavez and Canada on the side to give the US first priority on any oil? ... But anyways, that's behind us. We don't need the Canucks anymore for oil, and god only knows what's going on with Venezuela and if they'll ever be able to pump massive amounts of oil again.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, actively looking for a job rigging elections at November 18, 2020 05:41 PM (UPoLF)
++++++++++++
We possibly could have, at least with Canada. But it's better to not have to be in that position *at all.*

But this *will* be the argument again, because if he gets his way (both with the theft and his policy objectives), Biden will destroy American energy independence and rebuild foreign policy around energy supply again, and the world has changed in the last three years. Trump changed it, and Biden (well, his people) is not smart enough to make the transition that he is going to bring about when he turfs American energy.

Biden's policies on American energy development are the biggest foreign policy risk we face, except possibly for China.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2020 05:44 PM (hYcqw)

258 Dirka dirka dirka
Posted by: Dirka at Nov

--->

reminds me of a comment Ace made a year ago. "what if america is now the bad guy"

the america that made dirka dirka jokes is gone. The same joke from Hot Shots in the early 90's is gone. We got some weird globocorp HR overlord thing going on now.

Posted by: President Elect RedCheckmark at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (a3Tyz)

259 Most of what I believed in during the Bush years turned out to be a lie. I was hoodwinked.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (22mNy)

260
Perhaps recall some retired generals to duty and sending them to the field, in whatever capacity is needed (transport, ammo loaders, chow cooks....)
Posted by: SFGoth at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (KAi1n)







The fun part is, since they served as commissioned officers, basically they can be dragged back into uniform whether they like it or not. It's nearly impossible to do that with enlisted retirees.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (EGyGV)

261 The questions they should all ask themselves: What's the goal? And, can we achieve that goal without putting soldiers in harms way?

What the hell is the mission in Afghanistan??

I'm sure that's how Trump looks at it. In June, his administration seized 3 or 4 petrol tankers that were headed from Iran to Venezuela. They did it without using any military action. Look it up. See how they did it. It was brilliant.

Posted by: starboardhelm at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (yy4fX)

262 According to Trump's legal team they have to wait until votes are certified for them to file an appeal and then drop their big evidences.

Funny, the Bush team didn't have that problem. They were on the ground and acting immediately.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (KZzsI)

263 You want war, I'll give you fucking war. One rule of war is little chickenshits like Jim Jeffries, who refuse orders, get a bullet.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (nkp5d)

264 259
Most of what I believed in during the Bush years turned out to be a lie. I was hoodwinked.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (22mNy)
Generally speaking, we all were.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (D3cJf)

265 According to Trump's legal team they have to wait until votes are certified for them to file an appeal and then drop their big evidences. The goal, I assume, is to drop enough evidence to get them not to certify (for Biden), and then, if they do, drop the big stuff in the appeal.
------------------------------------------------

Exactly.

Posted by: DC at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (onMzM)

266 Well, it was only *briefly* lost, no need to worry!

tucked it in my other briefs.
Posted by: Milwaukee County Election Official at November 18, 2020 05:40 PM (sGtp+)

This is exactly the way the left is explains this away -

-An SD card with more votes was found
"Well, it was found, so no scandal"
-Another one was found
"Well, it was found, so no scandal"
-Another one was found
"Ditto"
-A recounter got the number of Biden votes wrong by a factor of 10.
"Ditto"

Everything is okay because every single "mistake" is being found! See!

Posted by: 29Victor at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (BJKQV)

267 I read something similar from CDR Salamander yesterday: "These people are addicted to buying virtue with the blood of other people's children."

Posted by: pookysgirl, former AF wife, aunt to an Airman and Marine at November 18, 2020 05:46 PM (XKZwp)

268 @261

The mission is, was and will always be to keep the MIC and their jock sniffers in Scotch and Cuban cigars.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 18, 2020 05:46 PM (k0lFF)

269 Prayers up

Posted by: Zeera at November 18, 2020 05:46 PM (zUdXR)

270 But we've been in Afghanistan for twenty -- and Mitt Romney, a man who has never spent a minute in uniform, a man who has taught his children and grandchildren to avoid military service as he did, says we have to spend another ten or twenty years in Afghanistan. To achieve "conditions for withdrawal."

To hell with the boy raping afgans, mitty, or do you want some? Nuke. From. Orbit. Rinse. Repeat. Till we create afganistan valley, glowing bigly.

Posted by: Banned at November 18, 2020 05:46 PM (65Rre)

271 How do I put an email link into my url?

Thanks

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 18, 2020 05:46 PM (v2c9/)

272 265 According to Trump's legal team they have to wait until votes are certified for them to file an appeal and then drop their big evidences. The goal, I assume, is to drop enough evidence to get them not to certify (for Biden), and then, if they do, drop the big stuff in the appeal.
------------------------------------------------

Exactly.
Posted by: DC at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (onMzM)

We're likely only going to see all the cards in the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:46 PM (Zm+LZ)

273 Wish we had a way to, oh I don't know, vote?

I'd be all for bringing back the draft, like legit. It would at least maybe make some of these parasites think about what they're doing if there was a possibility that one of their kids or friends might wind up going into one of the wars they started.

It's become way too painless for them. Remember Cindy Sheehan? Yeah, maybe we can bring her back to lie on her son's grave again. Only now, he's telling her he was wrong.

Fighting in Afghanistan is what all the cool kids are doing.

You do want to be cool, don't you?
Don't forget your mask!

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 05:46 PM (8B6Ng)

274 Heh

Mini AOC
@RealMiniAOC
·
Nov 17
When the Presidency is taken away from Joe Biden his voters will be rolling over in their graves.

Posted by: G'rump928(C) at November 18, 2020 05:46 PM (yQpMk)

275
Not since we ditched the Department of War for a Department of Defense.
Posted by: aelfheld at November 18, 2020 05:13 PM (IxDhF)

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Actually For a Department of the Army. Only in America does defense unification take you from 2 departments to 4. And now we have Homeland Security and Veterans Affairs for a full 7.5 departments for defense.

Posted by: USC at November 18, 2020 05:47 PM (rB8Ka)

276 It's those East Asians!!!!!

Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 05:47 PM (bCLt0)

277 I remember passionately debating with people 2003-5 about the Iraq war and how we had to be there cuz muhFreedom and muhDemocracy and the rest of it. I was a fucking idiot looking back on it. It's embarrassing to think about it.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:47 PM (22mNy)

278
I forget her name, but the Florida Sec of State did right by Bush, that's why she became the most hated person in the world.

Jeb was governor, and she was Sec of State. President Trump doesn't have such luck.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:47 PM (aAFjn)

279 How do I put an email link into my url?

Thanks

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 18, 2020 05:46 PM (v2c9/)
+++++++++++
Your URL is:
mailto:youraddress@domain.com

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2020 05:47 PM (hYcqw)

280 WTF, 7.5 = 6.5

Posted by: USC at November 18, 2020 05:47 PM (rB8Ka)

281 Funny, the Bush team didn't have that problem. They were on the ground and acting immediately.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (KZzsI)


++++

Bush v Gore is really apples and oranges to what's going on here.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 18, 2020 05:48 PM (ZR7kf)

282 Test
Thanks

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 18, 2020 05:48 PM (v2c9/)

283
Bush repaid Whatshername by giving her a crappy job for a while, then shitcanned her.

The Bush family is scum.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:48 PM (aAFjn)

284 264 259
Most of what I believed in during the Bush years turned out to be a lie. I was hoodwinked.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (22mNy)
Generally speaking, we all were.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (D3cJf)

I remember Bush being attacked so constantly and unmercifully by the press that I tended to back him up reflexively.

The press likes to pretend that they hound Trump so much because "he's so horrible" but that's a filthy lie.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 18, 2020 05:48 PM (BJKQV)

285 I remember reading some smart ass Greek on the Peloponnesian War saying that the children of fathers yet unborn would still be fighting that war. Maybe that's what their going for.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2020 05:48 PM (+y/Ru)

286
To hell with the boy raping afgans, mitty, or do you want some? Nuke. From. Orbit. Rinse. Repeat. Till we create afganistan valley, glowing bigly.
Posted by: Banned at November 18, 2020 05:46 PM (65Rre)







Does Guinness have a listing for The World's Biggest Piece Of Radioactive Glass? If not, it should.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2020 05:48 PM (EGyGV)

287 drop the big stuff in the appeal

Is that what the kids are calling butt secks these days?

Posted by: Banned at November 18, 2020 05:48 PM (65Rre)

288 Watch it.


Big Tech and Political Manipulation | Robert Epstein


https://youtu.be/wqtKQgTps_g


He received warnings that he would die in an "accident" for the danger that his research was to big tech. Two months later, his wife was killed in a car accident. Seriously, big tech must be dismantled.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 05:48 PM (KnJdm)

289 Funny, the Bush team didn't have that problem. They were on the ground and acting immediately.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM (KZzsI)

Wasn't it Gore who was requesting recounts?

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 18, 2020 05:49 PM (+2xjH)

290 >>7.5 = 6.5


New Math is hard.

Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2020 05:49 PM (oJXhn)

291 We were not attacked on 9/11 because Al Quada had a safe haven to plan and train in Afghanistan.

We were attacked on 9/11 because of the willful stupidity of the Clinton Administration and the shocking blithering incompetence of the CIA, FBI, and NSA.

Posted by: Greyman27 at November 18, 2020 05:49 PM (RKLPC)

292 When you're fighting and dying on the Afghani Plain
And the women come out to cut up your remains
Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
And go to your God like a soldier


That kind of endless war.

Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 05:49 PM (bCLt0)

293 289. Both sides had unlimited legal support. Trump has to rely almost solely on friends.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 18, 2020 05:50 PM (JRaU+)

294 When the United States entered Afghanistan the GDP of the entire nation was about $2.5 billion. At latest check, it came in at $19.1 billion.

Averaging those two numbers and multiplying by 20 years of occupation, the GDP of Afghanistan during our involvement is roughly $216 billion.

By comparison, the United States has spent over $2 trillion there.

For what it's worth, Afghanistan supplies 80% of the world's heroin.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 18, 2020 05:50 PM (WE9Dr)

295 Seven Simple Steps Toward Online Privacy by the same Robert Epstein.

https://tinyurl.com/yamz9m5d

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 05:50 PM (KnJdm)

296 China is not going to fight in Afghanistan but they are going to strip mine the hell out of it.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 18, 2020 05:41 PM (Gz0CT)
.......

Ah. I see a new TV show starring Parker Schnabel and Tony Beets: Gord Rush

Posted by: wth at November 18, 2020 05:50 PM (v0R5T)

297 >>> I was ok with being in Astan long enough to neutralize al Qaeda and the Taliban, then departing after leaving a note saying "don't make us come back."
Posted by: irongrampa at November 18, 2020 05:42 PM (KATBx)

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I typed then deleted three times here trying to find a succinct way to say just that. Thanks for saving me from trying a fourth.

Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at November 18, 2020 05:50 PM (240Sf)

298 Get our troops out of Afghanistan


Get our economy out of China

(bring it home or move the supply chain to allies)

Get DeepState out of DC
(which means get Goldman Sachs out of DC decision making)

get Google/FB/Twitter out of censorship and info control
(and arrest whomever is behind that command and control)

Posted by: illiniwek at November 18, 2020 05:51 PM (Cus5s)

299 >I remember passionately debating with people 2003-5 about the Iraq war and how we had to be there cuz muhFreedom and muhDemocracy and the rest of it. I was a fucking idiot looking back on it. It's embarrassing to think about it.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:47 PM (22mNy)

Yeah, same. Those salad days of Free Republic. What cringe.

At least we can admit a closely-held value was wrong when new information informs us.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 18, 2020 05:51 PM (L106N)

300 No, we just stay out of it. Russia isn't invading
Europe. The Muslims and Africans already did. Stop living in the past.
Honestly, had we stayed out of WWI, Europe would be far better off.
Posted by: WOPR - Election Theater Participant at November 18, 2020 05:42 PM (J70i0)

And once again - I reflect back on something Old School Democrats used to say, way way back in the day. How many times do we stomp around, on the global stage, looking to make things better ? Only to leave them either the same or worse ? Reagan famously said the nine most scary words were "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help". We seem to selectively apply his advice.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 18, 2020 05:51 PM (Vq1Cl)

301 I remember reading some smart ass Greek on the Peloponnesian War saying that the children of fathers yet unborn would still be fighting that war. Maybe that's what their going for.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2020 05:48 PM (+y/Ru)


101 Years War!

Come on, boys, we can get the new record!

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2020 05:51 PM (hku12)

302 The ending of the endless wars concept is one of the major planks on the Never Trump side.

Trump campaigned heavily in 2016 on getting us out of these wars and bringing everyone home.

This was a major upset of the rice bowls for the WAPs at NRO and TWS who, when they weren't writing thumbsucker articles about how horrible and yet how intelligent and attractive Obama was, were cranking out their garbage opinions on warfare and nation-building based on watching CNN and reading Max Boot.



Posted by: Azathoth at November 18, 2020 05:51 PM (NTAz9)

303 Cuomo went bonkers at a reporter over school closings, while Feinstein was photo'd not wearing a mask yesterday.

Posted by: COVID + politicians = despotism at November 18, 2020 05:52 PM (BBWrU)

304 Shenanigans-As soon as the states certified the vote the howls it's all over will be defining from all but the true supporters

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2020 05:52 PM (9sWOw)

305 Neocons will be neocons. The real problem is a military completely transformed by Obama and SJW policies. They are willing to kill a POTUS they don't like. Mattis, etc.

We are a 3rd world country. There are more government jobs than private sector jobs. Every breath we take we are violating some stupid law. Besides Silicon Valley, which just happens to side with the Left, the rich past of the USA is the D.C. Metro area. A place that produces nothing.

We are just rich enough, still, that the change is taking longer than, say, Venezuela. But people like Ayers and Alinsky and Soros are, like China, playing the long game.

One day soon we will be in a hot war, like it or not. That's where this is going.

Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 05:52 PM (MOTel)

306 I was done with it when Paul Bremer was put in charge.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 18, 2020 05:52 PM (/Dgcm)

307
For what it's worth, Afghanistan supplies 80% of the world's heroin.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 18, 2020 05:50 PM (WE9Dr)





Napalm every poppy field in 'stan. Then napalm again, just for GP. If the mohammedan savages starve, that's their own fault for growing poppy rather than food.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2020 05:52 PM (EGyGV)

308 Mexican-American War S
Indian Wars S

167

How are these wars stalemates? We took their stuff.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:30 PM (Zm+LZ)

I agree, your way is not a bad way to define "winning".

But the US didn't conquer Mexico, retreated from lands US troops had advanced into, and paid substantial war reparations, to end hostilities.

As for the Indian Wars, I concede that you may have the stronger argument for those being "won". I'd note that sovereign nations exists within US borders today. I'm not arguing that they shouldn't, or that this isn't a desirable end-state. But if "winning" means conquest and assimilation, that wasn't the outcome.

Posted by: MarkW at November 18, 2020 05:53 PM (iDVR9)

309 Lurker here. Son was promoted to Chief Petty Officer today.
Been feeling better for his safety under Trump, and now I get to worry again.

Posted by: Don at November 18, 2020 05:53 PM (ssqLp)

310 Seem to recall a fashion fad in the 70s for afgan sheepskin jackets vaguely like ww2 b17 crew jackets, but cheesy cheep and stinking of corrupt livestock. If they got wet they stank worse. Sold on street corners like masks these days.

Posted by: Banned at November 18, 2020 05:53 PM (65Rre)

311 304 Shenanigans-As soon as the states certified the vote the howls it's all over will be defining from all but the true supporters
Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2020 05:52 PM (9sWOw)

Don't look at me; I'm not the legal team. That's what they said, so it sounds like we have to wait till the GA and MI and, now, WI recounts are done. Meanwhile, I assume they'll be suing to get recounts in NV and AZ going as well.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 18, 2020 05:54 PM (ZR7kf)

312 Why bring our boys home? Repatriating our soldiers will suppress the dating prospects for those whose idea of heavy lifting is opening their laptops. After all, we can't have our soy-flakes getting their buns into even more of a twist about women they would like to date meeting men who can do more than write for the National Review.

Posted by: Sloane Uze Dei at November 18, 2020 05:54 PM (Rc+FI)

313 Okay..that worked.

When I was pissed this morning in the rant thread, I mentioned a project. I've learned to kind of scrape info from the web and am going slowly.

If anyone was interested, the url has my protonmail email.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 18, 2020 05:54 PM (v2c9/)

314 The past four years, especially this last shitty one, have almost completely disillusioned me. I supported the war(s) against terrorism, I supported the idea of free and fair elections and thought that we were the shining light of that idea. I believed republicans were mostly-sometimes-occasionally honest. And saddest of all, I truly believed that almost all Americans believed in her ideals - opportunity, equal before the law, freedoms of all kinds. I'm pretty gobsmacked.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at November 18, 2020 05:54 PM (99Nt9)

315
Son was promoted to Chief Petty Officer today.

Posted by: Don

Congratulations.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:55 PM (aAFjn)

316 I think a bit of information is critical. "Appeal" has a particular meaning in regular litigation distinct from a challenge to certification. When you go to court, that's generally the district/superior/trial court level. That's where you're supposed to dump your evidence. If you lose there and "appeal", you can't dump more evidence in the appellate court. You should have done that in the district court. "Appeal" from certification seems more like a generic use of that word, and, again, if you lose that "appeal", and "appeal", you don't get to dump more evidence in the appeal of the denial of the appeal, unless you have really, really, really extraordinary grounds -- otherwise the legal system would fall apart.

AtC can correct/advise/elaborate.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 18, 2020 05:55 PM (KAi1n)

317 I could basically be convinced to bomb or blitzkrieg any country on the planet (and half the US states) into smoldering pile of ruin, but I'm not interested in any occupations and certainly not nation building even if its just Rhode Island or Delaware.

Posted by: All Just Part of the Plan at November 18, 2020 05:55 PM (dYe5S)

318 309
Lurker here. Son was promoted to Chief Petty Officer today.

Been feeling better for his safety under Trump, and now I get to worry again.

Posted by: Don at November 18, 2020 05:53 PM (ssqLp)

Congratulations to your son. Thank him for his service, and lurk less.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 05:55 PM (KnJdm)

319 223 Keeping wars small is better than sending millions off to the Old Country again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:29 PM (ifmtJ)


Or how's about this time we just don't go. As silly a notion as that is, that Europe is going to be a hot war with Russia and Iran, how about this time, when they come calling, we just say no!

No, Europe. No more of our men, no more of our money, no more of our blood, sweat and tears to keep you from tearing yourselves apart.

Send Greta. She seems to speak for you all these days.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2020 05:38 PM (hku12)

Fine by me, but it won't break that way.
We had no good reason to fight in WW 1, but we did anyway.

I blame the English and the French.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:55 PM (ifmtJ)

320 Look it up. See how they did it. It was brilliant.
====================
Candygram.

Posted by: land shark, u.s.n. at November 18, 2020 05:55 PM (UDapT)

321 42 31 If the state wins and installs Biden, the State can FOAD. I am done paying for the State. I'm going to lie on my taxes, reduce any potential gains for the State. I'm going to steal from the State every chance I get. I'm going to vandalize the State. I'm going to sabotage the state by destroying everything of it I can. Transformers, pencil sharpeners, you name it.

I will wage my own private guerrilla war against the state in any way that I can.
Posted by: barney rubble at November 18, 2020 05:14 PM (D2wY0)

Aye aye. The China virus was the last straw for me. Every China virus give-away program I or my family are eligible for, I'm taking in full. And every tax break I can qualify for is getting my full attention, too. I'm tired of paying to get stabbed in the back over and over again.

Posted by: starboardhelm at November 18, 2020 05:55 PM (yy4fX)

322 Biden has been wrong on everything in foreign affairs for 20 years. There was no bigger cheerleader among D senators for the Iraq War than Joe. He later said he was misled. But of course.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2020 05:56 PM (9TdxA)

323 306 I was done with it when Paul Bremer was put in charge.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 18, 2020 05:52 PM (/Dgcm)

There was a time when he would have been tarred and feathered

Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2020 05:56 PM (8/gQB)

324 Napalm every poppy field in 'stan. Then napalm again, just for GP. If the mohammedan savages starve, that's their own fault for growing poppy rather than food.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2020 05:52 PM (EGyGV)

You, perhaps, assume the goal would be to eliminate heroin.

I strongly suspect our government officials approve of grandparents burying their overdosed grandchildren at 20 years old.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 18, 2020 05:56 PM (WE9Dr)

325 Certification is not final... remind me how many times Dino Rossi was certified winner in 2004 WA Gov?

Posted by: 9 separate infusions of votes were "found" at November 18, 2020 05:56 PM (BBWrU)

326 The main war we need to stop is the War on Whites.

The White suicide rate is 3x higher than other races in America. Because we have tens of millions of White Americans who have given up and believe -- correctly -- that the ruling class of America increasingly hates them. Decades of teaching them that White lives don't matter tends to have that effect. Decades of proud and open Anti-White discrimination by academia, industry, and government. And decades of smearing anyone who points any of this out as a white supremacist.

Posted by: BoycottFoxNews at November 18, 2020 05:57 PM (EWKqy)

327 Cuomo went bonkers at a reporter over school closings, while Feinstein was photo'd not wearing a mask yesterday.
Posted by: COVID + politicians = despotism at November 18, 2020 05:52 PM (BBWrU)

We have got to start making their lives miserable. The antifa/blm goons have it down. We need people on the ground for intelligence. We should have been at Newsom's party tent with LED flashlights and lasers and bullhorns and fireworks.

Unlike the poor bastards trying to run a business or sleep before starting a 5am shift, these clowns are destroying lives. Marie Antoinette had nothing on these leeches.

Fuck them and the whores they rode in on. #war.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 05:57 PM (8B6Ng)

328 Posted by: Don at November 18, 2020 05:53 PM (ssqLp)

Congratulations Chief!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 18, 2020 05:57 PM (YAr5m)

329 Cheney, Wolfowitz, Powell and Dubya should be tried for treason.

Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 05:57 PM (MOTel)

330 308 Mexican-American War S
Indian Wars S

167

How are these wars stalemates? We took their stuff.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:30 PM (Zm+LZ)

I agree, your way is not a bad way to define "winning".

But the US didn't conquer Mexico, retreated from lands US troops had advanced into, and paid substantial war reparations, to end hostilities.

As for the Indian Wars, I concede that you may have the stronger argument for those being "won". I'd note that sovereign nations exists within US borders today. I'm not arguing that they shouldn't, or that this isn't a desirable end-state. But if "winning" means conquest and assimilation, that wasn't the outcome.
Posted by: MarkW at November 18, 2020 05:53 PM (iDVR9)

Generally very few victorious wars result in the complete annexation or partition of the losing side. I tend to measure wars won or lost based on stated(and sometimes unstated but implicitly known) objectives and aims. If the aims are achieved, it can be considered a win, or partial win depending. Heavy casualties are a Pyrrhic victory, pretty straightforward. A defender can also "win" a war that has no territorial transfer if their only goal was to not be annexed.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 05:57 PM (Zm+LZ)

331 We had no good reason to fight in WW 1, but we did anyway.

I blame the English and the French.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 05:55 PM (ifmtJ)


I blame Woodrow F'n Wilson. Lying sack of shit is another good candidate for when the time machine is perfected. A nice bullet to the head when he's still farting around on Princeton campus will do the world a fat load of good.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2020 05:57 PM (hku12)

332 318 Retired Command Master Chief here. Making Chief is a BFD. Be proud.

Posted by: Kennyraisin at November 18, 2020 05:58 PM (R8qIC)

333 The only positive thing to come out of the Bush administration is Sam Alito.


We are where we are primarily because of his 8 disastrous years.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 18, 2020 05:36 PM (k0lFF)

Isn't it the height of irony that the 2 most conservative SCOTUS justices on the current court were appointed by Bush 41 & 43 (Harriet Miers notwithstanding?)

I still can't get over that . . .

Posted by: Marybeth - Trump won! at November 18, 2020 05:58 PM (4pK1/)

334 Lurker here. Son was promoted to Chief Petty Officer today.
Been feeling better for his safety under Trump, and now I get to worry again.
Posted by: Don at November 18, 2020 05:53 PM (ssqLp)
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Hmm, my Son in Law was promoted to Chief today.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 18, 2020 05:58 PM (WEBkv)

335 "We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there," and "the actual number of troops in northeast Syria is 'a lot more than' the roughly two hundred troops Trump initially agreed to leave there in 2019."


How many soldiers died for this "shell game"? How many families did trump have to call?
LOL Shellgame!

He should be charged with murder for every troop who died.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 18, 2020 05:58 PM (5myV4)

336 331 WW1 is the original neocon war. The big fight for globalism, based on Wilson's ideas, which were ahem, German postmodernism.

Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 05:58 PM (MOTel)

337 And decades of smearing anyone who points any of this out as a white supremacist.
Posted by: BoycottFoxNews at November 18, 2020 05:57 PM (EWKqy)

Sort of makes me sorry we invented everything they're using as a weapon against us. Too bad we invented antibiotics and a cure for polio. We all need to go Galt.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 05:58 PM (8B6Ng)

338 Make Pakistan Thermonuclearly responsible for Taliban AQ hosting.

Posted by: DaveA at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (FhXTo)

339 All right, all right aallllllll right.

Matthew McConaughey says he's thinking about running for TX guv.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (22mNy)

340 Jim Jeffrey and every other war-mongering liar needs to be arrested for many counts of kidnapping and buried under a jail.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (946rW)

341 335 hear hear

Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (MOTel)

342
The CIA is also doing a great job at keeping chink fentanyl out of our country.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (aAFjn)

343 The Romans waged purposeful wars.

Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (bCLt0)

344 Same for all those who had your loved ones make Chief. I sat a board years ago. Very competitive and intense process.

Posted by: Kennyraisin at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (R8qIC)

345 Romney, since you seem to think some "metric" for troop withdrawal has yet to be met, then, please tell us what metric are you using to determine that our troops need to stay, and die?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (WEBkv)

346 It's time for the troops to come home.

Why in the cornbread hell should we sacrifice our sons and daughters for regimes that would stab us in the back if they had the means.

Screw 'em all. Let's take care of our own backyard, because we're thisclose to losing it to the Commies In All But Name.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (nBNUK)

347 Andrew Hitt
@AndrewHittGOP
·
5m
BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump's recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to make. This must be stopped.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (sfhL4)

348 342 Had Durham's balls not fallen off we'd see what an enemy the CIA is.

Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (MOTel)

349 Lurker here. Son was promoted to Chief Petty Officer today.
Been feeling better for his safety under Trump, and now I get to worry again.
Posted by: Don at November 18, 2020 05:53 PM (ssqLp)
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Hmm, my Son in Law was promoted to Chief today.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 18, 2020 05:58 PM (WEBkv)


Hmmm, I was promoted to CPO today!

Dads.... is/are that you alls???

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (hku12)

350 339 All right, all right aallllllll right.

Matthew McConaughey says he's thinking about running for TX guv.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (22mNy)


As a Democrat???

Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (bCLt0)

351 How about a compromise? Every sitting member of congress will have their children (18 and up) conscripted into frontline service. No PR jobs. Actual combat patrols. No exceptions. If Mitt and co want to stay another few decades in the graveyard of empires, their families should have actual skin in the game.

Posted by: Jon at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (5o30F)

352 All right, all right aallllllll right.

Matthew McConaughey says he's thinking about running for TX guv.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (22mNy)


Taking his bongos and bong rips to Austin.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 18, 2020 06:01 PM (zhZ2R)

353
How many of us see this fraudulent election as a coup agaisnt a duly
elected President? How many will support Trump if he has to go to a hot
war to preserve the country?


*Raises metal-reinforced arm with giant scar*
I can shoot.


No fucking masks though. No fucking way.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at November 18, 2020 06:01 PM (3P/5p)

354 Andrew Hitt
@AndrewHittGOP

5m
BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump's recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to make. This must be stopped.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (sfhL4)
++++++++++
They could not be more transparent.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 18, 2020 06:01 PM (ZR7kf)

355 The 'Rona is getting sly.

Doctors say man who died after falling off a ladder was actually killed by coronavirus. Did COVID-19 push him?

https://bit.ly/2UHiV5n

-
If it can't get you one way, it'll get you the other.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2020 06:02 PM (+y/Ru)

356 350 339 All right, all right aallllllll right.

Matthew McConaughey says he's thinking about running for TX guv.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (22mNy)


As a Democrat???
Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (bCLt0)

__

I dunno. He said it on the Hugh Hewitt show. So Democrat probably?

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 06:02 PM (22mNy)

357 347 Andrew Hitt
@AndrewHittGOP

5m
BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump's recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to make. This must be stopped.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (sfhL4)

What the ???

Posted by: Marybeth - Trump won! at November 18, 2020 06:02 PM (4pK1/)

358
5m
BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump's recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to make. This must be stopped.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette


In other words, WI is changing the rules in the middle of the election process.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 06:02 PM (aAFjn)

359 WW1 is the original neocon war. The big fight for globalism, based on Wilson's ideas, which were ahem, German postmodernism.
Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 05:58 PM (MOTel)

Exactly right. This was the first of the globalist wars. A bunch of countries with strange allegiances. The first European Union. And we got dragged into it thanks to Woody.

On a positive note, it all came crashing down, didn't it? I'm thinking these guys for all the power they appear to have are a bunch of paper tigers. They may have money, but they live in a world of theory. We can fix all of that.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:02 PM (8B6Ng)

360 Term limits. 2 terms for Reps, One term for Senator. Mandatory retirement age. No lobbying.

Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 06:02 PM (MOTel)

361 352 All right, all right aallllllll right.

Matthew McConaughey says he's thinking about running for TX guv.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (22mNy)


Taking his bongos and bong rips to Austin.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 18, 2020 06:01 PM (zhZ2R)

__

He already lives in Austin

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 06:02 PM (22mNy)

362 Hmmm, I was promoted to CPO today!

Dads.... is/are that you alls???
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (hku12)
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Well, if you have internet access on the Gerald R Ford, then, yes.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 18, 2020 06:03 PM (WEBkv)

363 @333

Tis verily, I mean what is there to say about the man.


He was the Proto-SCOAMF before the SCOAMF.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 18, 2020 06:03 PM (k0lFF)

364 take six minutes to watch this

https://tinyurl.com/y394hsp2


Trump legal team member explaining "where's the evidence?"

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 18, 2020 06:03 PM (ZR7kf)

365 BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump's recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to make. This must be stopped.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette

Patriots need to be on the ground now. I hope this is happening. This is surreal.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:03 PM (8B6Ng)

366 BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump's recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to make. This must be stopped.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (sfhL4)


As long as they backdate the revisions it's all good.

- SCROTUS

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 18, 2020 06:04 PM (/Dgcm)

367 > I blame Woodrow F'n Wilson. Lying sack of shit is another good candidate for when the time machine is perfected.

If Charles Hughes had the extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization needed to win CA....

Posted by: Big Railroad Money at November 18, 2020 06:04 PM (BBWrU)

368 Perhaps recall some retired generals to duty and
sending them to the field, in whatever capacity is needed (transport,
ammo loaders, chow cooks....)

Posted by: SFGoth at November 18, 2020 05:21 PM (KAi1n)















The fun part is, since they served as commissioned officers,
basically they can be dragged back into uniform whether they like it or
not. It's nearly impossible to do that with enlisted retirees.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 18, 2020 05:45 PM

---

No it isn't, ask me how I know. I involuntarily reactivated retired Gunners Mates in 1990 for Desert Storm that had the NEC for the 16 inch Battleship guns.


As long as they had less than 30 years total service, they were in the Fleet Reserve and subject to recall.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at November 18, 2020 06:04 PM (JUOKG)

369 How about a compromise? Every sitting member of congress will have their children (18 and up) conscripted into frontline service. No PR jobs. Actual combat patrols. No exceptions. If Mitt and co want to stay another few decades in the graveyard of empires, their families should have actual skin in the game. faces removed by a specially trained chimpanzee.
Posted by: Jon at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (5o30F)

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Suggested edit.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2020 06:04 PM (BvLWD)

370 Isn't it the height of irony that the 2 most conservative SCOTUS justices on the current court were appointed by Bush 41 & 43 (Harriet Miers notwithstanding?)

I still can't get over that . . .

Posted by: Marybeth - Trump won! at November 18, 2020 05:58 PM (4pK1/)

___

Yeah we fucked up in that department. But made up for it with Roberts and Souter.

Posted by: The Bushes at November 18, 2020 06:04 PM (22mNy)

371 356 350 339 All right, all right aallllllll right.

Matthew McConaughey says he's thinking about running for TX guv.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (22mNy)


As a Democrat???
Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (bCLt0)

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I dunno. He said it on the Hugh Hewitt show. So Democrat probably?
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 06:02 PM (22mNy)

I would guess it's likely. While liking some of his work, I think he's a centerish Left guy.

Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:04 PM (bCLt0)

372 Andrew Hitt

@AndrewHittGOP


5m

BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump's
recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual
at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to
make. This must be stopped.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (sfhL4)

Ex post facto rule changes not allowed you dorks.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 18, 2020 06:04 PM (946rW)

373 359 it did come crashing down, but universities keep incubating these bad ideas, and since we never outlawed leftism much less tried these people for crimes against humanity, they're still here.

We live in a work of Soviet propaganda that has made the youth so mentally ill they're either burning down cities or chopping off their genitals.

Hope is always there...but man...

Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 06:05 PM (MOTel)

374 BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump's recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to make. This must be stopped.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette

Patriots need to be on the ground now. I hope this is happening. This is surreal.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:03 PM (8B6Ng)


they learned their lesson in FL and created so many fires, that it made it impossible to deal with them all.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 06:05 PM (zr5Kq)

375 Posted by: Don at November 18, 2020 05:53 PM
Congratulations and don't worry so much, he will be fine

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2020 06:05 PM (9sWOw)

376 Term limits. 2 terms for Reps, One term for Senator. Mandatory retirement age. No lobbying.
Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 06:02 PM (MOTel)

Please add: Mandatory random drug and alcohol testing. If the guy operating the fry machine at Wendy's needs to do it, then the fuckers in the federal government get to do the same.

We'd eliminate more than half in a week. The rest would come back from rehab and fail. No pension, not squat. FOAD.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:05 PM (8B6Ng)

377 Dads.... is/are that you alls???



Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (hku12)

This would be the most Horde thing ever.

Posted by: pookysgirl, not certified yet at November 18, 2020 06:06 PM (XKZwp)

378 And COVID will be another forever war. We will all be combatants, and we'll be asked to fight it with masks and tracking apps instead of firearms, locked in our homes instead of overseas. The casualties will not be from IEDs but from ODs. Instead of PTSD there will be anxiety, depression, and (increased) neuroticism.

It will continue with no end in sight, and if you doubt the cause or downplay the risks, you'll be called selfish and unpatriotic.

The Establishment really needs to get some new material.

Posted by: NJ Class Traitor at November 18, 2020 06:06 PM (hBDC1)

379 AND we haven't even discussed that a Michigan State economist ran the numbers and there is $17 trillion dollars missing through the DoD.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at November 18, 2020 06:06 PM (cMXNt)

380 faces removed by a specially trained chimpanzee.

Posted by: Jon at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (5o30F)



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Suggested edit.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2020 06:04 PM (BvLWD)

Sir, can you explain to me why I don't have your newsletter ?

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 18, 2020 06:06 PM (Vq1Cl)

381 371 356 350 339 All right, all right aallllllll right.

Matthew McConaughey says he's thinking about running for TX guv.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (22mNy)


As a Democrat???
Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (bCLt0)

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I dunno. He said it on the Hugh Hewitt show. So Democrat probably?
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 06:02 PM (22mNy)

I would guess it's likely. While liking some of his work, I think he's a centerish Left guy.
Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:04 PM (bCLt0)

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I saw him recently, I forget where, it was on a night of YouTube rabbit holing. He was talking about SJWs in Hollywood and how retarded they are. So who knows where he stands politically?

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 06:06 PM (22mNy)

382 You know what...gonna say it: Texas could do worse than Matthew McConaughey as governor.

He probably doesn't quite understand what the job will entail, though. Most actors don't.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 06:06 PM (ifmtJ)

383 369 that reminds me of that woman who had her face ripped off by a monkey. She was on Oprah saying she wanted to "raise awareness". Who knew not to go around strange animals?

Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 06:07 PM (MOTel)

384 347 Andrew Hitt
@AndrewHittGOP

5m
BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump's recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to make. This must be stopped.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (sfhL4)

Moving the goalposts again.

Posted by: Marybeth - Trump won! at November 18, 2020 06:07 PM (4pK1/)

385 Suggested edit.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2020 06:04 PM (BvLWD)

One of those chimps with leprosy?

Cool.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:07 PM (8B6Ng)

386 376 Term limits. 2 terms for Reps, One term for Senator. Mandatory retirement age. No lobbying.
Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 06:02 PM (MOTel)

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10 year limit on government employment.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at November 18, 2020 06:07 PM (cMXNt)

387 That'll teach the bastards!

Welcome to the club, Asians! Washington school district reclassifies Asians as white people.

https://bit.ly/3pIcPjp

And just who's going to teach them our secret white handshake?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2020 06:07 PM (+y/Ru)

388
One day soon we will be in a hot war, like it or not. That's where this is going.
Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank

Can hardly wait for the draft.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 18, 2020 06:08 PM (63Dwl)

389 10 year limit on government employment.
Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at November 18, 2020 06:07 PM (cMXNt)

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And then everyone becomes a govt contractor instead.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 06:08 PM (22mNy)

390 I've hated DiBlasio more than any other politician.

Cuomo is trying so hard to replace him.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 18, 2020 06:08 PM (9TdxA)

391 364
take six minutes to watch this



https://tinyurl.com/y394hsp2





Trump legal team member explaining "where's the evidence?"

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 18, 2020 06:03 PM (ZR7kf)

Funny. The Youtube factcheck warning goes straight to cisa.gov/rumorcontrol. Of the guy who got shitcanned this week.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 06:08 PM (KnJdm)

392 I get the point of Iraq but what's the point of being in Afghanistan.

History tells us, it's a dumb idea to be in Afghanistan. A place no foreign army has ever "won." (In the modern era.)

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 18, 2020 06:08 PM (jUVms)

393 That'll teach the bastards!



Welcome to the club, Asians! Washington school district reclassifies Asians as white people.



https://bit.ly/3pIcPjp



And just who's going to teach them our secret white handshake?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2020 06:07 PM (+y/Ru)

I am pretty sure that is not how any of this works.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 18, 2020 06:09 PM (946rW)

394
I saw him recently, I forget where, it was on a night of YouTube rabbit holing. He was talking about SJWs in Hollywood and how retarded they are. So who knows where he stands politically?
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 06:06 PM (22mNy)

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I got the vibe, as far back as Contact that he is ultra conservative. He played the religious guru straight up like without a hint of underhandedness.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at November 18, 2020 06:10 PM (cMXNt)

395 The industrial military complex from the 60s is alive and well.

Posted by: mot at November 18, 2020 06:10 PM (MXSXI)

396 5m

BREAKING: WI Elections Commission, after seeing President Trump's
recount petition and objections, is trying to change the recount manual
at an emergency meeting tonight at 6 pm to make objections harder to
make. This must be stopped.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette





In other words, WI is changing the rules in the middle of the election process.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 06:02 PM (aAFjn)

That will get SCOTUS up in arms. At some point SCOTUS needs to point say "You were incompetent in running an election. An event that requires addition and nothing else. We are handing the choosing of electors to the legislature. The legislature is not to consider the vote totals in their deliberations."

*** SLAP *** Oh, I'm awake now. We're screwed.

Posted by: WOPR - Election Theater Participant at November 18, 2020 06:10 PM (J70i0)

397 Funny. The Youtube factcheck warning goes straight to cisa.gov/rumorcontrol. Of the guy who got shitcanned this week.


Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 06:08 PM (KnJdm)

Hey any Trump staffers out there. That page needs to be replaced with a list of frauds that have already been detailed.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 18, 2020 06:10 PM (946rW)

398
So the NFL is proposing All-Black refs??

Am I the first to say that'll look like they're the butlers/servants of the NFL?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 06:10 PM (aAFjn)

399 387 That'll teach the bastards!

Welcome to the club, Asians! Washington school district reclassifies Asians as white people.

https://bit.ly/3pIcPjp

And just who's going to teach them our secret white handshake?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2020 06:07 PM (+y/Ru)

I'm ok with giving them white privilege cards, but let's start them with a lower limit.

Posted by: NJ Class Traitor at November 18, 2020 06:10 PM (hBDC1)

400 They are trying a multi-generational approach to what Britain did to itself in WW I and II; kill off the cultural / genetic stock for courage and combativeness, leaving behind the materials for a society of socialist drones.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 18, 2020 06:11 PM (6psdy)

401 Lurker here. Son was promoted to Chief Petty Officer today.
Been feeling better for his safety under Trump, and now I get to worry again.
Posted by: Don at November 18, 2020 05:53 PM (ssqLp)
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Hmm, my Son in Law was promoted to Chief today.
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lol!

Posted by: DC at November 18, 2020 06:11 PM (onMzM)

402 @392

The point of being in Afghanistan is to feed the MIC, The War Machine, it's jock sniffers, beak dippers and NGO's.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 18, 2020 06:11 PM (k0lFF)

403 392 I get the point of Iraq but what's the point of being in Afghanistan.

History tells us, it's a dumb idea to be in Afghanistan. A place no foreign army has ever "won." (In the modern era.)
Posted by: Seems Legit at November 18, 2020 06:08 PM (jUVms)

We were chasing Saddam. Which is why we should now get out. The graveyard of empires thing is somewhat oversold, Afghanistan has typically been part of the persian empires that exist in the region.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 06:11 PM (Zm+LZ)

404 Hmmm, I was promoted to CPO today!

Dads.... is/are that you alls???
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2020 06:00 PM (hku12)
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Well, if you have internet access on the Gerald R Ford, then, yes.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 18, 2020 06:03 PM (WEBkv)


On a boat? Oh heck no! You won't get ME on the water.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2020 06:11 PM (hku12)

405 You, perhaps, assume the goal would be to eliminate heroin.

I strongly suspect our government officials approve of grandparents burying their overdosed grandchildren at 20 years old.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 18, 2020 05:56 PM (WE9Dr)

All methods of population reduction are approved by the elites.

Endless wars, starvation (especially in Third World countries), abortion, vaccines that cause sterilization, diseases, homosexuality, crime, drug use, etc.

Posted by: Gaelic Girl at November 18, 2020 06:11 PM (5FCda)

406 392 there was more of a reason to be in Afghanistan at first than Iraq. Btw, Iraq happened because of the UN. The reason why the US doesn't win wars is partly because of those assholes.m

Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 06:11 PM (MOTel)

407
*** SLAP *** Oh, I'm awake now. We're screwed.
Posted by: WOPR

Thanks for not pasting the entire thread.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 06:11 PM (aAFjn)

408 Why would anyone go to war just for the sake of killing its own soldiers?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (lgiXo)

409 The industrial military complex from the 60s is alive and well.
Posted by: mot

Now all the Kool Kidz from back then are supporting it.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (FTlwv)

410 Daily Mail (UK) today: Ivanka Trump 'blamed a fart on her classmates when she was a bratty teenager'

Posted by: BREAKING NEWS !!!!! at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (BBWrU)

411 10 year limit on government employment.
Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at November 18, 2020 06:07 PM (cMXNt)

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And then everyone becomes a govt contractor instead.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 06:08 PM (22mNy)


It's a great racket.

I have heard of senior NCOs wrangling to get their military positions converted to civil service just before retirement, and damnedest thing - they were the only applicant qualified for the position.

And then civil service positions converted to contractor hires, and damnedest thing...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (/Dgcm)

412 Hope is always there...but man...
Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 06:05 PM (MOTel)

That was perhaps the biggest downside to the fall of the Soviet Union. At least before 1990, we had a living, breathing example. When my profs would espouse this shit, we had something to point to because it was happening in front of us. At least, those of us paying attention.

How do you miss people being machine gunned a few hundred yards from the Berlin wall as they make a dash?

Now, the CCP and Norks are a very different beast and control the flow of info. The media has long since changed sides. And somehow they've managed to romanticize Cuba (the mind boggles).

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (8B6Ng)

413 34 Sometimes it takes a true outsider to show just how fucking badly we were conned by the GOP.
Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2020 05:15 PM (y7DUB)

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I was right there defending that globalist POS Bush. And spare me your, "but he plays golf with people who lost limbs in the war!!"

Yeah, think about it.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (jUVms)

414 >Patriots need to be on the ground now. I hope this is happening. This is surreal.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:03 PM (8B6Ng)

Surely it's fair game to dox the member's kids, right? We just proved that less than 24 hours ago.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (L106N)

415 408 for money, promotions, power. The way it's always been since time began.

Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (MOTel)

416
Afghanistan is like the taxpayers owning a boat, and everyone else owns the marina and boat supplies.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 06:13 PM (aAFjn)

417 McCoughnaHEY running for TX Governor?

Why not?

A comedian, Chad Prather, has already announced he's running.

politicalcowboy.com

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 18, 2020 06:13 PM (nBNUK)

418 408 Why would anyone go to war just for the sake of killing its own soldiers?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (lgiXo)

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They don't. But their interests rarely align with America's interests. Which is what the soldier is fighting for.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 18, 2020 06:14 PM (jUVms)

419
And, I agree with ace here.

"We are going to kick the ass out of a random nation we pick off the map with a dart, just to show everyone who's boss, because people have been getting uppity lately and they need to see somebody's ass get kicked," is *almost* a good enough reason, AFAIC.

But you have to plan to kick the asses. Not wander around aimlessly getting our asses kicked.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2020 06:14 PM (BvLWD)

420 Why would anyone go to war just for the sake of killing its own soldiers?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (lgiXo)
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It isn't about the soldiers dying, it's about making money supplying the arms they use in combat in the process of dying.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 18, 2020 06:14 PM (WEBkv)

421 410 Daily Mail (UK) today: Ivanka Trump 'blamed a fart on her classmates when she was a bratty teenager'

Arrest her Now!

Posted by: It's me donna at November 18, 2020 06:14 PM (Zmnko)

422 Leftists here run wars in order to distract from their villainy at home.

Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:14 PM (bCLt0)

423 411 10 year limit on government employment.
Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at November 18, 2020 06:07 PM (cMXNt)

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And then everyone becomes a govt contractor instead.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 06:08 PM (22mNy)


It's a great racket.

I have heard of senior NCOs wrangling to get their military positions converted to civil service just before retirement, and damnedest thing - they were the only applicant qualified for the position.

And then civil service positions converted to contractor hires, and damnedest thing...
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (/Dgcm)

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It's a racket all right.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at November 18, 2020 06:15 PM (cMXNt)

424 Thanks for not pasting the entire thread.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 06:11 PM (aAFjn)

I love the Barrel. It was great. Everyone should go to the Barrel. The Barrel is my best friend. I see five lights.

Posted by: WOPR - Election Theater Participant at November 18, 2020 06:15 PM (J70i0)

425 Matthew McConaughey says he's thinking about running for TX guv.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (22mNy)
........

Better trade in the Lincoln for a truck, dude.

Posted by: wth at November 18, 2020 06:15 PM (v0R5T)

426 Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2020 06:15 PM (OVEfo)

427 Sort of OT, I was gone most of yesterday - but Sundown Joe basically admitted he's getting his intelligence briefings from Kamala? The video is insane, and then the guy shorts out and can't speak for a few seconds - I'm guessing because he realized what he just said?

Dear Jeebus. A room full of "journalists" and nobody can think of a follow up question.

https://youtu.be/r-Dc53vPtJA

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:15 PM (8B6Ng)

428 412 agreed. Since kids are addicted to cheap tech and apparel they overlook or are shielded of China's evil. In fact, we are all bad in the west bc we are white, so many see China's rise as a good thing.

Also China has switched from overt national communism to national fascism. And that's cool with the Globalists. In fact, it's preferable. Low wages, max profit. Check out, sacrifice your country.

Posted by: Martha McKuntSkank at November 18, 2020 06:15 PM (MOTel)

429 >>>Watch it.


Big Tech and Political Manipulation | Robert Epstein


https://youtu.be/wqtKQgTps_g


He received warnings that he would die in an "accident" for the danger that his research was to big tech. Two months later, his wife was killed in a car accident. Seriously, big tech must be dismantled.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 05:48 PM (KnJdm)

Just started. This is a MUST WATCH video.

Worth an article and I've only seen 5 minutes.

Posted by: Max Power at November 18, 2020 06:16 PM (q177U)

430 426 Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2020 06:15 PM (OVEfo)

Or, Le Sigh. Be cultured.

Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:16 PM (bCLt0)

431 In other words, WI is changing the rules in the middle of the election process.

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Old and busted: Calvinball

New and shiny: Calvinballot

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2020 06:16 PM (+y/Ru)

432 421 410 Daily Mail (UK) today: Ivanka Trump 'blamed a fart on her classmates when she was a bratty teenager'

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Isn't that a fight Goldberg and Wilson should be having.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 18, 2020 06:16 PM (jUVms)

433 Ruger was quoted saying, "The president has had difficulty finding personnel who would faithfully execute on his preferences,"


And not just in DOD; all across the executive branch the #resistance has been fucking things up.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 18, 2020 06:16 PM (6psdy)

434 #265 where did you read that? I keep looking for some hope somewhere....

Posted by: AnnaS at November 18, 2020 06:16 PM (l4l/z)

435 371 356 350 339 All right, all right aallllllll right.

Matthew McConaughey says he's thinking about running for TX guv.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (22mNy)

his sends mixed messages. on TV he feeds his dogs sushi and bar-b-q and goes swimming in Armani tuxedos. On the radio he has to sign up for free electricity weekends so he can afford to make chili in a crockpot.

Posted by: x at November 18, 2020 06:16 PM (0tE/i)

436 Well, I know this: I'm voting for whoever is running against Abbott.

Fuck him.

The tree should have finished the job.

And I have a signed copy of his book.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 18, 2020 06:16 PM (aO8Gd)

437 So the NFL is proposing All-Black refs??

Am I the first to say that'll look like they're the butlers/servants of the NFL?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Acc

Lawn ornaments?

Now I'm so ashamed.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 18, 2020 06:16 PM (lgiXo)

438 Leftists here run wars in order to distract from their villainy at home.
Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:14 PM (bCLt0)

While extracting a quite modest fee for the provision of the required equipment and services!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Your Rulers Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at November 18, 2020 06:16 PM (2C38g)

439 427
Dear Jeebus. A room full of "journalists" and nobody can think of a follow up question.

don't blame us. he didn't get any ice cream.

Posted by: Journ o'Lister at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (sGtp+)

440 Remember when Obama set the Middle East afire to hand countries over to the Muslim Brotherhood and the media gushed and called it 'Arab Spring?'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (oVJmc)

441 History tells us, it's a dumb idea to be in Afghanistan. A place no foreign army has ever "won." (In the modern era.)
Posted by: Seems Legit

Wait, didn't Peachy become King there for awhile?
Or am I thinking of someplace else?

Posted by: MarkY at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (JZx7M)

442 Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2020 06:15 PM (OVEfo)

Or, Le Sigh. Be cultured.
Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:16 PM (bCLt0)

Ask anyone who knows me, cultured is the last thing I am. Fuckinaye

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (OVEfo)

443 Trump leads voyage of pilgrims to Greenland to build an even better America.




The Bee

Posted by: Archer at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (gmo/4)

444
"We are going to kick the ass out of a random nation we pick off the map with a dart, just to show everyone who's boss, because people have been getting uppity lately and they need to see somebody's ass get kicked," is *almost* a good enough reason, AFAIC.


==

I nominate CHAZ

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (nUhF0)

445 Military... Industrial...

How does it work?

Who gets rich?

What is the rational?

When the "Great Cleansing" is over let's see.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 18, 2020 06:18 PM (3H9h1)

446 Matthew McConaughey says he's thinking about running for TX guv.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (22mNy)

Needs to start smaller - do something local first. Dude has potential - not a bad guy at all. But needs a good reality slap. They'll eat him alive if he tries to start at the top.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 18, 2020 06:18 PM (Vq1Cl)

447
Big Tech and Political Manipulation | Robert Epstein





https://youtu.be/wqtKQgTps_g





He received warnings that he would die in an "accident" for the
danger that his research was to big tech. Two months later, his wife was
killed in a car accident. Seriously, big tech must be dismantled.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 05:48 PM (KnJdm)



Just started. This is a MUST WATCH video.



Worth an article and I've only seen 5 minutes.

Posted by: Max Power at November 18, 2020 06:16 PM (q177U)

There was an article, at NYPost, and they pulled it, because NYPost gets 30% of its traffic from big brother.

Folks, this is larger than you ever imagined.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 06:18 PM (KnJdm)

448
Trump leads voyage of pilgrims to Greenland to build an even better America.

The Bee
Posted by: Archer at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (gmo/4)

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LOL.

I might actually go if that were happening.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2020 06:18 PM (BvLWD)

449 So the NFL is proposing All-Black refs??

The NHL would do that if they can find enough black guys who can skate.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 18, 2020 06:18 PM (lgiXo)

450 Wait, didn't Peachy become King there for awhile?
Or am I thinking of someplace else?
Posted by: MarkY at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (JZx7M)
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That's Danny. And it was Kafiristan.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Sea Chump at November 18, 2020 06:18 PM (Uhu8A)

451 443 Trump leads voyage of pilgrims to Greenland to build an even better America.

The Bee
Posted by: Archer at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (gmo/4)


Make America Greenland.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (s2VJv)

452 Wait, didn't Peachy become King there for awhile?
Or am I thinking of someplace else?
Posted by: MarkY at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (JZx7M)

Howd that work for them? Lol

By the way one of my favourite movies

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (OVEfo)

453 @433

It seems like the Administrative State inverted the meaning of the Signing Statement.

Boss wants this?

Well we will do whatever the fuck we want.

Again, Trump was tough but he was not ruthless.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (k0lFF)

454 I just saw a tweet from the President that seems to call into question the vote to certify the Wayne Count results. According to Trump, the Republican Board members refused to sign the certification documents after they were threatened and coerced into changing their voice votes (since video was out, there is no way to verify they even did that).

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (946rW)

455 Kafiristan

Posted by: Archer at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (gmo/4)

456 "431 In other words, WI is changing the rules in the middle of the election process.

-
Old and busted: Calvinball

New and shiny: Calvinballot

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 18, 2020 06:16 PM (+y/Ru) "




commies gonna commie; the father of lies gets his money's worth from his servants.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (6psdy)

457 And just who's going to teach them our secret white handshake?

I learned it from a Mexican guy, so maybe start there?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (SchxB)

458 So Lin Woods litigation in GA claims that as an elector his equal protection rights under the 14th amendment were violated because whereas he had to show an id with his signature to vote, absentee ballots that came in after election date did not have to.

Posted by: FloridachickTrump WON at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (ml+CM)

459
443 Trump leads voyage of pilgrims to Greenland to build an even better America.


The Bee
Posted by: Archer at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (gmo/4)


Or "No Thule like an old Thule..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (s2VJv)

460 Powder is dry.

Posted by: nip at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (yoqcZ)

461 445 Military... Industrial...

How does it work?

Who gets rich?

What is the rational?

When the "Great Cleansing" is over let's see.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 18, 2020 06:18 PM (3H9h1)

Look on the bright, most of these guys are Orren Boyle.

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (Zm+LZ)

462 Surely it's fair game to dox the member's kids, right? We just proved that less than 24 hours ago.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (L106N)

I know we're not supposed to lower ourselves to their level, but how the fuck do you fight an enemy in the gutters unless you get in the sewer with them?

That clown could name kids, where they go to school and say "I'd hate to be them when people find out" basically. Until we're ready to get our hands dirty, I'm not sure we can pull this off.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (8B6Ng)

463 Daniel Dravits. Kipling was a great writer.

Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:20 PM (bCLt0)

464 Kafiristan, Afghanistan... who can keep them straight?

Posted by: MarkY at November 18, 2020 06:20 PM (JZx7M)

465 443 Trump leads voyage of pilgrims to Greenland to build an even better America.




The Bee
Posted by: Archer at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (gmo/4)

+++++

Well shoot, let's file that away as plan-B, shall we?

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 18, 2020 06:20 PM (ZR7kf)

466 "How does it work? "

For instance, during the US Civil War, a pig farmer became very wealthy selling hogs to the US Army (of the Potomac) for one dollar. His cost? $.10

Today a major bank bears his name.

Who can name it?

Posted by: attila with the heartbreak of psoriasis at November 18, 2020 06:20 PM (w7KSn)

467 Trump leads voyage of pilgrims to Greenland to build an even better America.

The Bee
Posted by: Archer at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (gmo/4)

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LOL.

I might actually go if that were happening.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2020 06:18 PM (BvLWD)

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*researches Greenland*

Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2020 06:21 PM (RU4sa)

468 462 Surely it's fair game to dox the member's kids, right? We just proved that less than 24 hours ago.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (L106N)

I know we're not supposed to lower ourselves to their level, but how the fuck do you fight an enemy in the gutters unless you get in the sewer with them?

That clown could name kids, where they go to school and say "I'd hate to be them when people find out" basically. Until we're ready to get our hands dirty, I'm not sure we can pull this off.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (8B6Ng)


That asshole who is of the same lineage as Rancida ought to have his house Rachel Corried. With him in it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2020 06:21 PM (s2VJv)

469 Until we're ready to get our hands dirty, I'm not sure we can pull this off.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (8B6Ng)

They value nothing but their money, their families, and their homes.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 06:21 PM (KnJdm)

470 So Lin Woods litigation in GA claims that as an
elector his equal protection rights under the 14th amendment were
violated because whereas he had to show an id with his signature to
vote, absentee ballots that came in after election date did not have to.

Posted by: FloridachickTrump WON at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (ml+CM)

And the signatures of in person voters had to match the signature on file from their application to vote.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 18, 2020 06:21 PM (946rW)

471 467
LOL.

I might actually go if that were happening.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2020 06:18 PM (BvLWD)

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*researches Greenland*
Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2020 06:21 PM (RU4sa)

Well, not " green" for starters.

Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:22 PM (bCLt0)

472 How about gay black referees?
You're offside but you look fabulous.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 18, 2020 06:22 PM (lgiXo)

473 For instance, during the US Civil War, a pig farmer became very wealthy selling hogs to the US Army (of the Potomac) for one dollar. His cost? $.10

Today a major bank bears his name.

Who can name it?
Posted by: attila with the heartbreak of psoriasis at November 18, 2020 06:20 PM (w7KSn)
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Chase?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Sea Chump at November 18, 2020 06:22 PM (Uhu8A)

474 Trump leads voyage of pilgrims to Greenland to build an even better America.



The Bee

Posted by: Archer at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (gmo/4)



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LOL.



I might actually go if that were happening.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2020 06:18 PM (BvLWD)

From the Bee:The three ships built for the voyage are: The Covfefe, the Bigly and the Yugeflower.

Posted by: Archer at November 18, 2020 06:22 PM (gmo/4)

475 History tells us, it's a dumb idea to be in Afghanistan. A place no foreign army has ever "won." (In the modern era.)
Posted by: Seems Legit

"Never get involved in a land war in Asia." -- that guy from The Princess Bride

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at November 18, 2020 06:22 PM (nBNUK)

476 466 "How does it work? "

For instance, during the US Civil War, a pig farmer became very wealthy selling hogs to the US Army (of the Potomac) for one dollar. His cost? $.10

Today a major bank bears his name.

Who can name it?
Posted by: attila with the heartbreak of psoriasis at November 18, 2020 06:20 PM (w7KSn)


The Silver Sow Loan and Trust.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2020 06:22 PM (s2VJv)

477 467 Trump leads voyage of pilgrims to Greenland to build an even better America.

The Bee
Posted by: Archer at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (gmo/4)

------

LOL.

I might actually go if that were happening.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2020 06:18 PM (BvLWD)

---

*researches Greenland*
Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2020 06:21 PM (RU4sa)

---------

*starts purging those things not worth shipping*

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 18, 2020 06:23 PM (jUVms)

478
Just what in the hell are the Danes gonna do to stop us, anyway? Nothing, that's what.

If President Harris wants to chase after the colonists we can show that bitch the same thing we showed George III.

I'm warming to this Greenland idea.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2020 06:23 PM (BvLWD)

479 Well, not " green" for starters.
Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:22 PM (bCLt0)

---

no
really?

Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2020 06:23 PM (RU4sa)

480 Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.
Chase it is.

Posted by: attila with the heartbreak of psoriasis at November 18, 2020 06:23 PM (w7KSn)

481 478
I'm warming to this Greenland idea.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2020 06:23 PM (BvLWD)


In New America, Greenland won't warm you!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2020 06:23 PM (s2VJv)

482 Here, I had almost calmed down after staying of the intertubez for the entire day, and I get reminded yet again what a hive of villlainy and scum forms the senior core of our "government" at the Federal level.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Your Rulers Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (2C38g)

483 For instance, during the US Civil War, a pig farmer became very wealthy selling hogs to the US Army (of the Potomac) for one dollar. His cost? $.10

Today a major bank bears his name.

Who can name it?
Posted by: attila with the heartbreak of psoriasis at November 18, 2020 06:20 PM (w7KSn)


I will go with

5th 3rd

because it has such a goofy name

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (/Dgcm)

484
I know we're not supposed to lower ourselves to their level, but how the fuck do you fight an enemy in the gutters unless you get in the sewer with them?

Clutch... the loudest purveyors of the don't lower yourself battalion are the never say win, always surrender neocon class of specials...
They don't want to win and they cannot allow themselves to reflect on why they lose.

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (+2xjH)

485 I know we're not supposed to lower ourselves to their level, but how the fuck do you fight an enemy in the gutters unless you get in the sewer with them?"

fuck threats, and don't mess with kids. enemies need to be identified and eliminated. As Tuco said, if you're going to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (Kpl3J)

486 Greetings:

My mother used to have a expression that she used when she was retreating from trying to cure one of my perfidies. It went, "Don't make me come in here again !!!"

Posted by: 11B40 at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (evgyj)

487 Iceland is green, Greenland is icy. Right?

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (jUVms)

488 Matthew McConaughey says he's thinking about running for TX guv.

Posted by: Asshoes at November 18, 2020 05:59 PM (22mNy)

Needs to start smaller - do something local first. Dude has potential - not a bad guy at all. But needs a good reality slap. They'll eat him alive if he tries to start at the top.

Posted by: Always Be Lurking at November 18, 2020 06:18 PM (Vq1Cl)
**********
Love Matthew. Big supporter of my alma mater, but
I am going to have to say No on voting for him to be governor. Too wishy washy In his beliefs.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (NpAcC)

489 >>> So Lin Woods litigation in GA claims that as an elector his equal protection rights under the 14th amendment were violated because whereas he had to show an id with his signature to vote, absentee ballots that came in after election date did not have to.
Posted by: FloridachickTrump WON at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (ml+CM)

======

Umm, maybe they should have brought this lawsuit before the election.

Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (240Sf)

490 450 Wait, didn't Peachy become King there for awhile?
Or am I thinking of someplace else?
Posted by: MarkY at November 18, 2020 06:17 PM (JZx7M)
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That's Danny. And it was Kafiristan.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Sea Chump

and their army was locally sourced

Posted by: x at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (0tE/i)

491 GREENLAND - Danish Eskimos.

Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (bCLt0)

492

Sekulow going nuts on thumb drives and chain of custody

https://tinyurl.com/y2fka46v
THIS "Literally Could Change An Election"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (sfhL4)

493 Well, not " green" for starters.
Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:22 PM (bCLt0)

---

And Iceland isn't really a literal giant ice cube?

Wow.

Mind.

Blown.

Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (RU4sa)

494 If President Harris wants to chase after the colonists we can show that bitch the same thing we showed George III.
Yudhishthira's Dice

Im in! I'll start saving tea to throw in the harbor.

Posted by: MarkY at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (JZx7M)

495 researches Greenland*
Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2020 06:21 PM (RU4sa)


Very cold.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (zhZ2R)

496 They value nothing but their money, their families, and their homes.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 06:21 PM (KnJdm)

I'm honestly not sure they value their families. We've seen too many cases where they literally offer up their kids to Moloch the state, and consider it collateral damage for the greater good if something happens. I'm thinking of some of the antifa moms in particular. Homes? Sec. 8 housing probably.

But their own skins? Money? For sure. The rest? I'm willing to put it to the test.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (8B6Ng)

497 "My own opinions on this have shifted. I was pro-war. I still am pro-war on some level.

But I am pro wars that end in victory."

Then you are anti-war as it is defined in today's United States. Victories are for losers or something. If these motherfuckers jack around and get us into something even more involved and more ill-advised than bringing our perverted version of democracy to the Hindu Kush, the United States will suffer a humiliating, crushing, empire-ending military defeat unless it is willing to use nuclear weapons. I actually would welcome it in a way as this would be good in the long-run for the people of the United States and the world, but have too much love of my young countrymen, some my own kin and blood, to see them die in either a phony war or one certain to be lost because their reputed betters have no skin in the game.

I will be on the streets rioting if troops are deployed anywhere else. There may be left-wingers at my side (probably not since a Democrat likely will be president and they are hypocritical liars), but I don't care. I also would advise anyone to treat as a false flag any "terror" attack anywhere in the continental United States since the warmongers and the financial remoras who cling to them realize so many people have arrived at the place I am.

The question that has to be asked to determine whether war is justified: would the militarists be willing to die in a nuclear exchange if things go south and there is no alternative? If the answer is "no," then it isn't worth fighting. The answer always will be "no," particularly if their Chinese sugar daddies would be on the receiving end.

Finally, this may be the last election where I vote as it is. If the likes of McConnell and Romney sign off on a new war, I can guarantee it is my last involvement in electoral politics.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat (Joe Biden Didn't Kill Himself at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (puu6v)

498 488
Love Matthew. Big supporter of my alma mater, but
I am going to have to say No on voting for him to be governor. Too wishy washy In his beliefs.
Posted by: redridinghood at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (NpAcC)


The Dallas Buyers Club is another name for Democrat ballot canvassers...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (s2VJv)

499 History tells us, it's a dumb idea to be in Afghanistan. A place no foreign army has ever "won." (In the modern era.)
Posted by: Seems Legit
"Never get involved in a land war in Asia." -- that guy from The Princess Bride
Posted by: Captain Whitebread

Nah, I think that was Kipling!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Your Rulers Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (2C38g)

500 487 Iceland is green, Greenland is icy. Right?
Posted by: Seems Legit at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (jUVms)

Iceland goes BOOM, periodically.

Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (bCLt0)

501 >>> Umm, maybe they should have brought this lawsuit before the election.
Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (240Sf)

======

Or does the violation only occur after the election takes place?

Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (240Sf)

502 Im in! I'll start saving tea to throw in the harbor.
Posted by: MarkY at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (JZx7M)

+++++

Make sure you get all your friends to dress up like Elizabeth Warren

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (ZR7kf)

503 I understand Cano is going to play baseball next year in Afghanistan

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2020 06:26 PM (OVEfo)

504 Plans for the new colony include a Mt. Rushmore that just has four faces of Trump, a Statue of Liberty modeled after Melania and a meme war memorial in the capital city of Trumpington. Greenland will be divided into the same states we have in America today, though California and New York will be left out in order to make it a true utopia.


Posted by: Archer at November 18, 2020 06:26 PM (gmo/4)

505 If President Harris wants to chase after the colonists we can show that bitch the same thing we showed George III.
Yudhishthira's Dice

Im in! I'll start saving tea to throw in the harbor.
Posted by: MarkY at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (JZx7M)
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Can't we just throw her in the harbor?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Sea Chump at November 18, 2020 06:26 PM (Uhu8A)

506 Very cold.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (zhZ2R)

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I can dress in layers.

Just let me know when they start the underground shelters.

Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2020 06:26 PM (RU4sa)

507
The Silver Sow Loan and Trust.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2020 06:22 PM (s2VJv)

+++++
LOL

Posted by: washrivergal at November 18, 2020 06:26 PM (66BnU)

508 I'm honestly not sure they value their families. We've seen too many cases where they literally offer up their kids to Moloch
the state, and consider it collateral damage for the greater good if
something happens. I'm thinking of some of the antifa moms in
particular. Homes? Sec. 8 housing probably.



But their own skins? Money? For sure. The rest? I'm willing to put it to the test.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (8B6Ng)

I'm not talking about the foot soldiers.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 06:26 PM (KnJdm)

509 503 I understand Cano is going to play baseball next year in Afghanistan
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2020 06:26 PM (OVEfo)


For the Kabul Goats?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2020 06:26 PM (s2VJv)

510 470 So Lin Woods litigation in GA claims that as an
elector his equal protection rights under the 14th amendment were
violated because whereas he had to show an id with his signature to
vote, absentee ballots that came in after election date did not have to.

Posted by: FloridachickTrump WON at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (ml+CM)

And the signatures of in person voters had to match the signature on file from their application to vote.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 18, 2020 06:21 PM (946rW)

It's the sig match that is going to be the main fight there... as that was also the change the legislatire did NOT pass.

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 18, 2020 06:26 PM (+2xjH)

511 Umm, maybe they should have brought this lawsuit before the election.
Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (240Sf)

How would you file a law suit regarding absentee votes that came in and were counted after the election, before the election?

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:27 PM (8B6Ng)

512 Sekulow going nuts on thumb drives and chain of custody
--------------------------------------------

I have heard him argue in person as preparation for meeting w/ SCOTUS. He knows his craft.

Posted by: DC at November 18, 2020 06:27 PM (onMzM)

513 462 Surely it's fair game to dox the member's kids, right? We just proved that less than 24 hours ago.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 18, 2020 06:12 PM (L106N)

I know we're not supposed to lower ourselves to their level, but how the fuck do you fight an enemy in the gutters unless you get in the sewer with them?

That clown could name kids, where they go to school and say "I'd hate to be them when people find out" basically. Until we're ready to get our hands dirty, I'm not sure we can pull this off.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:19 PM (8B6Ng)


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Unless you have overwhelming force, you don't have the luxury of staying out of the gutter.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at November 18, 2020 06:27 PM (cMXNt)

514 >>> researches Greenland*
Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2020 06:21 PM (RU4sa)


Very cold.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (zhZ2R)

======

Keeps the lefty's out. How many do you see leaving CA for Alaska?

Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at November 18, 2020 06:27 PM (240Sf)

515 This kind of talk makes you a few target.

Posted by: torabora at November 18, 2020 06:28 PM (Sdowt)

516 Umm, maybe they should have brought this lawsuit before the election.
Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (240Sf)

Sadly, you're right. A court is highly likely to rule, "Well yes, that was a violation, so we won't allow that in any future elections. But this one is done, too bad, so sad."

I wish I was kidding. I'm not. The Courts are not going to be our salvation, do not pin your hopes on them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2020 06:28 PM (Kpl3J)

517 @492

Yeah, the country is awash in ballots, thumb drives, voting machines running Windows Home Edition, etc.


Real Banana Republics are looking at what's going here and saying: "Damn that's some crooked shit right there."


It's a joke.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 18, 2020 06:28 PM (k0lFF)

518 506 Very cold.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (zhZ2R)

---

I can dress in layers.

Just let me know when they start the underground shelters.
Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2020 06:26 PM (RU4sa)


I suggest you read " The Terror" by Dan Simmons. Nice research book on the Cold North regions.

Posted by: tubal at November 18, 2020 06:28 PM (bCLt0)

519 Sekulow going nuts on thumb drives and chain of custody

https://tinyurl.com/y2fka46v
THIS "Literally Could Change An Election"
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (sfhL4)


What is so magical about these thumb drives?

It has just one CSV file -
Trump, 167543, Biden, 154876

and that's it.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 18, 2020 06:28 PM (/Dgcm)

520 Umm, maybe they should have brought this lawsuit before the election.
Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (240Sf)

You have to show standsing and damage BEFORE suit. if he brought it before it'd have been tossed.

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 18, 2020 06:29 PM (+2xjH)

521 516 Umm, maybe they should have brought this lawsuit before the election.
Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at November 18, 2020 06:24 PM (240Sf)

Sadly, you're right. A court is highly likely to rule, "Well yes, that was a violation, so we won't allow that in any future elections. But this one is done, too bad, so sad."

I wish I was kidding. I'm not. The Courts are not going to be our salvation, do not pin your hopes on them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2020 06:28 PM (Kpl3J)

They shot down the lawsuits prior to the election because the issue wasn't "ripe".

Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 06:29 PM (Zm+LZ)

522 Or does the violation only occur after the election takes place?
Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (240Sf)

Can't prosecute thought crime!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Your Rulers Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at November 18, 2020 06:29 PM (2C38g)

523 How would you file a law suit regarding absentee votes that came in and were counted after the election, before the election?
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:27 PM (8B6Ng)
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They'd have to borrow Ace's time machine.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Sea Chump at November 18, 2020 06:29 PM (Uhu8A)

524
The average temperature will be 76deg nationwide when every sq. in. of that sucker is plowed under yuge, gaudy hotels with the best indoor heating you can imagine.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2020 06:30 PM (BvLWD)

525 Then you are anti-war as it is defined in today's United States. Victories are for losers or something.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat (Joe Biden Didn't Kill Himself at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (puu6v)

Wars for America are now profit centers. Nothing more, nothing less.

Posted by: DR.WTF - THE President Elect at November 18, 2020 06:30 PM (AiZBA)

526 Or does the violation only occur after the election takes place?
Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at November 18, 2020 06:25 PM (240Sf)


Someone has to be violated before a violation can occur.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 18, 2020 06:30 PM (/Dgcm)

527 How would you file a law suit regarding absentee votes that came in and were counted after the election, before the election?
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2020 06:27 PM (8B6Ng)

It's a loophole in the system that the Left has exploited perfectly. Courts won't step in beforehand because they'll say it's too early; and they won't overturn anything afterwards because it's too late.

This is not a joke - the court system is stacked against us, we will not win there. The only hope is for the legislatures to refuse to certify the vote. If they do certify it, then Biden will be inaugurated in January. No court will stop it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2020 06:31 PM (Kpl3J)

528 I understand it is hard for the weak to stand up to a bully but, how hard is it to not feel some rightousness in your beliefs when backed by 70Million people. Those two Rep. folk in Michigan are too weak to be in office actually representing anybody. They caved and it is more than disgusting. See, truth or integrity has no use anymore in politics.

Posted by: Stellastwocents at November 18, 2020 06:31 PM (cRbt7)

529 I told my Ranger son to GTFO of the Army if Biteme succeeds in stealing the election.

Posted by: Valiant at November 18, 2020 06:32 PM (3MiF8)

530 They shot down the lawsuits prior to the election because the issue wasn't "ripe".
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 06:29 PM (Zm+LZ)

I know - and just watch. Now they're going to shoot it down because it's too late, election is over.

This is a crooked game with crooked rules. Mainly, heads they win, tails we lose.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2020 06:32 PM (Kpl3J)

531 The Courts are not going to be our salvation, do not pin your hopes on them.
---------------------------------------

Perhaps. However, courts certainly are a venue for presenting evidence, which can have significant effects elsewhere (viz., your preferred remedy).

Posted by: DC at November 18, 2020 06:33 PM (onMzM)

532 Bernie Sanders confused after U.S. beats Cuba to producing COVID vaccine.



The Bee, again.

Posted by: Archer at November 18, 2020 06:33 PM (gmo/4)

533 529
I told my Ranger son to GTFO of the Army if Biteme succeeds in stealing the election.


Posted by: Valiant at November 18, 2020 06:32 PM (3MiF

I don't blame you or him, if he does, one bit.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2020 06:34 PM (KnJdm)

534 >They shot down the lawsuits prior to the election because the issue wasn't "ripe".
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 18, 2020 06:29 PM (Zm+LZ)

Can one of the Horde lawyerin' types explain to me how it is we never have standing or the time isn't 'ripe', yet leftists never struggle to get preliminary injunctions to stop anything dead in its tracks before it starts?

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 18, 2020 06:35 PM (L106N)

535 What is it with wanting to go to war in Syria? Obama was desperate to get US troops into that country with his "red line" (that Congress ignored). ISIS is gone. Why do people want troops in *that* country, specifically, instead of one of the many other screwed up places arounf the world?

Posted by: junior at November 18, 2020 06:35 PM (7wdbx)

536 This is not a joke - the court system is stacked against us, we will not win there. The only hope is for the legislatures to refuse to certify the vote. If they do certify it, then Biden will be inaugurated in January. No court will stop it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2020 06:31 PM (Kpl3J)



UniParty has it under control.

And Roberts pretty much said in a backwards way that the Justices are UniParty too.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 18, 2020 06:35 PM (/Dgcm)

537 Gov. Cuomo on following COVID-19 rules: "If you're socially distant, and you wore a mask, and you were smart, none of this would be a problem - it's all self imposed. If you didn't eat the cheesecake you wouldn't have a weight problem."

You mean Aunt Sandy's Kwanzaa cake, right, Nipple Boy?

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at November 18, 2020 06:35 PM (mNhhD)

538 @521

See that right there is bullshit.

In many cases you don't have to be harmed to get a court to act all you have to show is that the action is likely to cause harm.


When states like Texas passed laws to require abortion doctors to have admitting privileges at hospitals, the laws were immediately stayed, they never went into effect, no one was harmed.


They went to SCOTUS and SCOTUS invalidated the laws on basis that abortion is the supreme law of the land and these laws would cause harm.


So again, you don't have to be harmed, you just have to demonstrate to the satisfaction of the court that the law will cause harm.


So the main takeaway is, we're fucked if it all comes down to the SCOTUS doing the right thing.

Hint: They won't.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 18, 2020 06:36 PM (k0lFF)

539 Those two Rep. folk in Michigan are too weak to be in office actually representing anybody. They caved and it is more than disgusting. See, truth or integrity has no use anymore in politics.
Posted by: Stellastwocents

those kid's fathers aren't men.

Posted by: x at November 18, 2020 06:36 PM (0tE/i)

540 What is it with wanting to go to war in Syria? Obama was desperate to get US troops into that country with his "red line" (that Congress ignored). ISIS is gone. Why do people want troops in *that* country, specifically, instead of one of the many other screwed up places arounf the world?
Posted by: junior at November 18, 2020 06:35 PM (7wdbx)

$$$$$$

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 18, 2020 06:36 PM (AiZBA)

541 "I told my Ranger son to GTFO of the Army if Biteme succeeds in stealing the election."

Things like this are the unintended consequences of election stealing.
If the house always wins, why play?

Posted by: attila with the heartbreak of psoriasis at November 18, 2020 06:36 PM (w7KSn)

542 For instance, during the US Civil War, a pig farmer became very wealthy selling hogs to the US Army (of the Potomac) for one dollar. His cost? $.10

Today a major bank bears his name.

Who can name it?
Posted by: attila with the heartbreak of psoriasis
----
Les Nessman

Posted by: BluesFish at November 18, 2020 06:36 PM (WQZ1O)

543 531 The Courts are not going to be our salvation, do not pin your hopes on them.
---------------------------------------

Perhaps. However, courts certainly are a venue for presenting evidence, which can have significant effects elsewhere (viz., your preferred remedy).
Posted by: DC at November 18, 2020 06:33 PM (onMzM)

That's a very good summary. No matter what quantum of convincing evidence is shown to the USSC, there is no way in hell it would, if the law compelled it, set aside the election results. But flooding the Court with overwhelming evidence of voter fraud is good PR for delegitimizing The Thing in D.C. (not that is doesn't do a sterling job of delegitimizing itself on an hourly basis). It is time to blow past the concept of the federal judicial system as anything other than star chambers for the non-special people.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat (Joe Biden Didn't Kill Himself at November 18, 2020 06:36 PM (puu6v)

544 I told my Ranger son to GTFO of the Army if Biteme succeeds in stealing the election.


Posted by: Valiant at November 18, 2020 06:32 PM (3MiF

I hear ya BUT

Does he like what he does
Is he doing well, getting promoted?
Is he earning decent money?
Good benefits?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2020 06:37 PM (OVEfo)

545 535 What is it with wanting to go to war in Syria? Obama was desperate to get US troops into that country with his "red line" (that Congress ignored). ISIS is gone. Why do people want troops in *that* country, specifically, instead of one of the many other screwed up places arounf the world?
Posted by: junior at November 18, 2020 06:35 PM (7wdbx)


My guess is people who want that, have a hard on about Russia and think they can check Russian influence there; Russia is a very very close ally of Bashar.

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 06:38 PM (zr5Kq)

546 $$$$$$
Posted by: DR.WTF at November 18, 2020 06:36 PM (AiZBA)


no oil

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 06:39 PM (zr5Kq)

547 Can one of the Horde lawyerin' types explain to me how it is we never have standing or the time isn't 'ripe', yet leftists never struggle to get preliminary injunctions to stop anything dead in its tracks before it starts?
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 18, 2020 06:35 PM (L106N)

You know why. We still cling to the old hope that we have an honest system that works for us. We don't. This is what system wide corruption looks like, this is what it does. Every case that goes to court will have the leftists thumb on the scales, even the SCOTUS.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2020 06:39 PM (Kpl3J)

548 I know, the answer is that the Law is an ass Calvinball.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at November 18, 2020 06:39 PM (L106N)

549 535 What is it with wanting to go to war in Syria? Obama was desperate to get US troops into that country with his "red line" (that Congress ignored). ISIS is gone. Why do people want troops in *that* country, specifically, instead of one of the many other screwed up places arounf the world?
Posted by: junior at November 18, 2020 06:35 PM (7wdbx)

It would be a proxy war with Russia. The Special People want that, not a direct war where they might have personal or financial skin in the game. Putin would be a fool not to turn it up to 11 given the political situation in the United States just to show the world what a paper tiger War, Inc., is.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat (Joe Biden Didn't Kill Himself at November 18, 2020 06:40 PM (puu6v)

550 My guess is people who want that, have a hard on about Russia and think they can check Russian influence there; Russia is a very very close ally of Bashar.
Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 06:38 PM (zr5Kq)

I think it's about nothing more than taking a cut of the massive heroin trade that goes through there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2020 06:40 PM (Kpl3J)

551 no oil
Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 06:39 PM (zr5Kq)

Syria does not have oil
And who wants troops in Syria?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2020 06:40 PM (OVEfo)

552 I just had an interesting conversation...

Veteran said, one of the reasons why there was WWI and WW2 was too much nationalism. On the other hand, one reason we had a civil war was not enough nationalism. Everybody was aeither Virginian or a Hoosier, or a Texan or whatever. They didn't think of themselves as Americans first.
This identity politics horseshit is the same thing. Nobody is just an American. They gotta be African American, or Hispanic American, or LGBT xyz American. The left wingers have divided the country again but this time not by state, by category.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at November 18, 2020 06:40 PM (Vxu+H)

553 Should be a simple solution to this problem; combat arms likely are made up of rightwing and patriotic types for the most part. Stop enlisting. Let the effete and their tranny troops fight these wars of choice.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 18, 2020 06:40 PM (H5knJ)

554 We should have gone to Afghanistan, blown it to Hell and back and left.

Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 18, 2020 06:41 PM (nxdel)

555 $$$$$$
Posted by: DR.WTF at November 18, 2020 06:36 PM (AiZBA)


no oil
Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 06:39 PM (zr5Kq)

Not oil, Military Industrial Complex.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 18, 2020 06:41 PM (AiZBA)

556 Syria does not have oil
And who wants troops in Syria?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2020 06:40 PM (OVEfo)


response to general question upthread

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 06:41 PM (zr5Kq)

557 I am sick. Chills fever achy cough. Husband piled blankets on me. Rona?

Posted by: Jmel at November 18, 2020 06:41 PM (bVhJi)

558 Military Industrial Complex.
Posted by: DR.WTF at November 18, 2020 06:41 PM (AiZBA)

.
??? Because of Syria?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2020 06:42 PM (OVEfo)

559 Newsmax
@newsmax
·
11m
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@KLoeffler
http://ow.ly/LpVb50Co6G3
Newsmax
@newsmax
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11m
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@Perduesenate
is tied with Jon Ossoff in critical January 5th Georgia senate race

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 18, 2020 06:42 PM (sfhL4)

560 554 We should have gone to Afghanistan, blown it to Hell and back and left.
Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 18, 2020 06:41 PM (nxdel)

How would they have known the difference?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2020 06:42 PM (6FeV1)

561 @557

It's cold and flu season.

You probably have a cold or flu.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 18, 2020 06:43 PM (k0lFF)

562 response to general question upthread
Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 06:41 PM (zr5Kq)

Yeah I misread what you wrote. Lol. Ignore me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2020 06:43 PM (OVEfo)

563 I am sick. Chills fever achy cough. Husband piled blankets on me. Rona?
Posted by: Jmel at November 18, 2020 06:41 PM (bVhJi)



get yourself tested...how's your sense of smell ? any underlying conditions ?

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 06:43 PM (zr5Kq)

564
polls...
meh

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 18, 2020 06:43 PM (sfhL4)

565 1m
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the trap is set

Posted by: runner at November 18, 2020 06:43 PM (zr5Kq)

566 537 Gov. Cuomo on following COVID-19 rules: "If you're socially distant, and you wore a mask, and you were smart, none of this would be a problem - it's all self imposed. If you didn't eat the cheesecake you wouldn't have a weight problem."



Guido Cuomo, your state has a 6% cumulative death rate; Florida without a state mask mandate has a less than 2% death rate.

How does that work, asshoe?

Clean up your house instead of congratulating yourself for your failures.

Posted by: Marybeth - Trump won! at November 18, 2020 06:44 PM (4pK1/)

567 Like the President, I'm all in favor of winning the war if one of these Beltway Heroes wants to second that plan. We know where the enemy lives: in villages, mostly in Pakistan. Go in there and destroy him. Men, women, and children. You should intend to kill 5 million but the towelies will throw in the head-towel long before you kill even 1 million. There's no magic in the gnarly wind-beaten mountain men. We're just not allowed to attack them where they live.

Somehow, I doubt the Neocon Paladins will support that plan. They hate victory almost as much as they hate peace. They don't care about the national interest, or even about making the world a better place, just their own moral standing.

Posted by: Funkotron at November 18, 2020 06:44 PM (nNv6v)

568
Perhaps. However, courts certainly are a venue
for presenting evidence, which can have significant effects elsewhere
(viz., your preferred remedy).

Posted by: DC at November 18, 2020 06:33 PM (onMzM)



That's a very good summary. No matter what quantum of convincing
evidence is shown to the USSC, there is no way in hell it would, if the
law compelled it, set aside the election results. But flooding the Court
with overwhelming evidence of voter fraud is good PR for delegitimizing
The Thing in D.C. (not that is doesn't do a sterling job of
delegitimizing itself on an hourly basis). It is time to blow past the
concept of the federal judicial system as anything other than star
chambers for the non-special people.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat (Joe Biden Didn't Kill Himself at November 18, 2020 06:36 PM (puu6v)

You guys are wronger than wrong when you say courts won't set aside fraudulent election results. The fact that you keep repeating that even when presented with evidence of actual election results that were actually set aside is sad.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 18, 2020 06:44 PM (946rW)

569 Military Industrial Complex.
Posted by: DR.WTF at November 18, 2020 06:41 PM (AiZBA)

.
??? Because of Syria?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2020 06:42 PM (OVEfo)

Not because of, continued unending presence in Syria is a result.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 18, 2020 06:44 PM (AiZBA)

570 Syria has been a proxy battlefield since the Akkadians were fighting the Hittites.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2020 06:44 PM (6FeV1)

571 The left wingers have divided the country again but this time not by state, by category.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench)

People in Central Europe are familiar with both the term, and the practice of Balkanization.


"Salami tactics" also springs to mind.

Posted by: Miklos, qualified SME at November 18, 2020 06:44 PM (QzkSJ)

572 Im at a complete loss in life

Im not religious but have been looking for a reason to be. Something, ANYTHING to help me understand the ugly world we live in.

So much ugliness in this world.

Why

Posted by: BlackToothGrin at November 18, 2020 06:44 PM (aR6C/)

573


NOOOODD

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at November 18, 2020 06:45 PM (aAFjn)

574 For instance, during the US Civil War, a pig farmer became very wealthy selling hogs to the US Army (of the Potomac) for one dollar. His cost? $.10

Today a major bank bears his name.

Who can name it?
Posted by: attila with the heartbreak of psoriasis
----
Les Nessman

Posted by: BluesFish at November 18, 2020 06:36 PM (WQZ1O)


You retard!

It was Chy Chy Rodrigooezz...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy 🍺 at November 18, 2020 06:45 PM (ZSK0i)

575 Husband is bringing me some chili. Hopefully I can smell that

Posted by: Jmel at November 18, 2020 06:46 PM (bVhJi)

576 559 Newsmax
@newsmax

11m
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@KLoeffler
http://ow.ly/LpVb50Co6G3
Newsmax
@newsmax

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@Perduesenate
is tied with Jon Ossoff in critical January 5th Georgia senate race
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 18, 2020 06:42 PM (sfhL4)

No. More. Polls!

Posted by: Marybeth - Trump won! at November 18, 2020 06:47 PM (4pK1/)

577 Dear Ben and Mitt,
As Harriet Johnson once said, "This just goes to prove that you are the leading asshole in the country (state, whatever. I'm paraphrasing)"
I have been to certain shithole countries in the Middle East multiple times starting in 1990 and with my last trip over in 2018.
Seriously, I've been over there so many times they should be naming streets and bridges after me. And I'm tired.

My last trip I took soldiers who hadn't been born the first time I went over. Nothing has changed. The governments are still corrupt. The same asshats are still shooting as us (well probably their kids or grandkids).
Bring everybody hope. If they get froggy again, use the LeMay bombing strategy "Keep bombing until the rubble bounces".
So as somebody who's BTDT and got multiple t-shirts, STFU until one of your kids or grandkids has but some skin in the game. And not that bullshit Beau Biden/Lindsey Graham JAG Off weak ass deployment .
Sincerly,MAJ S.

Posted by: Stacy0311 at November 18, 2020 06:47 PM (SqpTW)

578 You guys are wronger than wrong when you say courts won't set aside fraudulent election results. The fact that you keep repeating that even when presented with evidence of actual election results that were actually set aside is sad.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 18, 2020 06:44 PM (946rW)

Watch.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat (Joe Biden Didn't Kill Himself at November 18, 2020 06:47 PM (puu6v)

579 nood Yorkers

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Trump WON, buy guns at November 18, 2020 06:47 PM (ifmtJ)

580 Nood Escape from New York

Posted by: Gaelic Girl at November 18, 2020 06:47 PM (5FCda)

581 We should have gone to Afghanistan, blown it to Hell and back and left.
Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 18, 2020 06:41 PM (nxdel)

Two or so tactical nukes in the 'stan on 12SEP2001, we would not be having this discussion...

But where's the money in that?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Your Rulers Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at November 18, 2020 06:50 PM (2C38g)

582 572 Im at a complete loss in life

Im not religious but have been looking for a reason to be. Something, ANYTHING to help me understand the ugly world we live in.

So much ugliness in this world.

Why
Posted by: BlackToothGrin at November 18, 2020 06:44 PM (aR6C/)

---

John MacArthur: Why Does God Allow So Much Suffering and Evil?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LFzk1afiD8


C.S. Lewis - Evil or God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_drzPTS78E

Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2020 06:51 PM (RU4sa)

583 Evil And God

Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2020 06:51 PM (RU4sa)

584 Do I understand correctly if you can smell your own farts you don't have covid?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 18, 2020 07:02 PM (lgiXo)

585 Romney, and others, should make the case for staying. Articulate what the objective is, why it is important, and how they think it can be achieved.

We can't "win" without going into Pakistan and taking out the means of production. That means destroying farms and industry. We would also need to deal with foreign support. If Romney isn't willing to do what is required to win, then it doesn't matter how important he thinks it is we are there.

Posted by: wodun at November 18, 2020 07:04 PM (lFga6)

586 I don't accept the dichotomy of Nation bldg or maintenance bombing. Nation bldg in Iraq etc failed as opposed to Germany/Japan because we tied our hands.

Posted by: Locke Common at November 18, 2020 07:12 PM (Nk+xv)

587 I know we're not supposed to lower ourselves to their level, but how the fuck do you fight an enemy in the gutters unless you get in the sewer with them?"

fuck threats, and don't mess with kids. enemies need to be identified and eliminated. As Tuco said, if you're going to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
Posted by: Tom Servo


Is there a way to pour napalm down the sewers, light it and run?

Posted by: mot at November 18, 2020 07:21 PM (MXSXI)

588 It is ironic that a rabid Never Trumper, Colin Powell, once advocated for war only if there was an end plan. Wonder when he will raise his hypocritical head and give us his "valued" opinion?

Posted by: Sergeant Major at November 18, 2020 07:38 PM (APnjM)

589 12 Nominated to be the ambassador to Germany but never confirmed. Some more of that great Mitch McConnell work right there.
Posted by: Buzzion at November 18, 2020 05:11 PM (G2zl5)

Yes, the Senate refused to confirm many Trump nominees, which kept the bureaucrat class firmly ensconsed throughout the executive branch. He was thrilled to use Trump for judges, but now wants him gone. Gina Haspel is not a good person.

Posted by: Eric Schmidt at November 18, 2020 07:41 PM (YkawN)

590 #2016 #2024

HE WILL WIN AGAIN! HERE'S MY CONTRIBUTION TO THE LIBTARDS!

https://www.bonfire.com/45-to-47-t-shirt/

Posted by: Andrew at November 18, 2020 07:44 PM (kOFPS)

591 Has anybody asked "fiscal conservatives" Mitch McConnell and Ben Sasse why the American people don't deserve a huge coronavirus relief package or billions of new infrastructure, but we can somehow afford to occupy Afghanistan in perpetuity?

Posted by: Eric Schmidt at November 18, 2020 07:51 PM (YkawN)

592 175 Afghanistan has huge deposits of rare earth minerals. The Chinese now hold all those mining rights.

We should have sent the Afghani's a five year supply of toilet paper. That would have been a more productive step to nation building.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 18, 2020 05:31 PM (Gz0CT)

Yep. Our guys fight and die to secure Afghanistan's rare earth mineral claim for China. Same thing happened with Iraq's oil, BTW.

Posted by: Eric Schmidt at November 18, 2020 07:59 PM (YkawN)

593 We are killing our boys for nothing.

My beautiful 27 boy served in both Afghanistan & Iraq. He was gravely injured, a closed brain injury that won this boy a mandatory medical discharge from the Air Force in which he had served for 8 years, serving as a Sargent and wanted to make the military a career. He was a young warrior in peak physical condition.

He may never drive again, nor fly on an airplane and many other restrictions too numerous to name. I don't like reading articles like this "We are killing our boys for fucking nothing". Just a Dad sounding off.

BTW we both voted for Trump.



Posted by: Tony Noboloney at November 18, 2020 08:02 PM (++5O6)

594 We've always been at war with Eurasia, er, Afghanistan.

Posted by: Lex Talionis at November 18, 2020 08:10 PM (Di4TM)

595 "But I am pro wars that end in victory."


Amen. ^^THIS^^ Ditto and such.

Posted by: GWB at November 18, 2020 08:22 PM (85yEr)

596 You know you have 'won' when it becomes an accompanied tour.


And that means killing as many of them as it takes to change their religion forever. Metaphorically and literally.


If you are not willing to do that then be honest and keep it a punitive expedition.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 18, 2020 08:49 PM (/Dgcm)

597 >>>Nation-building this savage shithole into a western pluralistic liberal democracy is not possible -- period.
---

Who are we -- with out rigged election -- to do that, anyway? Even if it were a good idea, which it's NOT. We now live under tyranny. They can figure out how to rig votes without our help.

Posted by: Gilded at November 18, 2020 09:04 PM (+KNz4)

598 Wait until the Lefty masters want to re-install the Draft, which is never far from their syphilitic lips.

Posted by: Mrs. Winslow's Soothing Syrup at November 18, 2020 09:35 PM (xZjSg)

599 I have a son finishing his first enlistment (Army) next year. He blows hot and cold on whether to re-up. I hope he doesn't.

Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Zap Rowsdower at November 18, 2020 10:13 PM (6AX6P)

600 They are trying a multi-generational approach to what Britain did to itself in WW I and II; kill off the cultural / genetic stock for courage and combativeness, leaving behind the materials for a society of socialist drones.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted
---
Considering the fact that the US is the source of political correctness,critical race theory, affirmative action;also that the US is on pretty much every social metric the most effed up nation in the West one has to wonder which war killed off the best cultural/genetic stock in the US. Civil war maybe?

Posted by: sherman at November 19, 2020 01:38 AM (lnhTD)

601 Romney's decision to put American lives on the line is based solely on his hatred of Trump.

What a POS.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at November 19, 2020 05:53 AM (TNHVJ)

602 "And the status quo consists of Americans dying for no reason at all"

No, it's worse than, Americans will be dying because these jackasses want to spite Trump.

Hanging is too good for them.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at November 19, 2020 05:55 AM (TNHVJ)

603 I am 74 years old and a retired Master Chief Petty Officer, USN. I had two sons. The oldest one went into the Navy after high school, served 6 years ( advanced electronics program) and is doing very well in civilian life. The youngest one went to Penn State ( we payed his tab) and joined the Army (Infantry) after graduation. He was assigned to the 4th Brigade, 1st Infantry Division at Fort Riley and was soon assigned to the Sergeant Major as a driver due to his education and superb physical conditioning (gym rat). They were a surge unit into Iraq and his unit spent 15 months there. His MRAP was blown up by an Iranian EFP and he was heavily concussed. A month later, he was entering a building and it was hit by a rocket and once again , concussion.With two Purple Hearts, he could have been sent back to the U.S. but he wanted to come back with his unit. He came back a changed man. He had traumatic brain injury, short term memory loss, PTSD, hearing loss, back injury and a raging drug habit from pain pills. He was a changed man and died in 2016 due to a drug overdose. Our local VA has built a new addition to deal with the mental health wreckage from the Middle East wars. I have a burning hatred for for these money grubbing bastards that support these wars.

Posted by: Haze Gray at November 19, 2020 08:03 AM (aSn+g)

604 The problem with fighting to victory is that in the aftermath you need to either LEAVE, or settle in an rule. Nation Building g is an exercise for dupes. You get all the exposure of plying old fashioned Paternalistic Colonialism, with a tenth the control and none of the benefits.

Posted by: C. S. P. Schofield at November 19, 2020 11:37 AM (+t5iz)

605 I was a child when Vietnam started and I ended up serving there.The actual date the first American died in Vietnam was 1945 killed by the Japanese.That means Vietnam was a democrat war up until Nixon became POTUS.The highly touted JFK (Democrat) got us in that mess and got a lot of people killed. 58,000 Americans and 1.9 million Vietnamese, not to mention Australia, RoK, Thais and Cambodians.

Posted by: obsidian at November 19, 2020 12:28 PM (7+yqP)

606 Withdrawal happens when you go limp.

Posted by: dirtydave54 at November 21, 2020 10:45 AM (ZXkUe)

607 No young white male should EVER volunteer for the military as this country is no longer worth defending. Nothing serves to remind them of their last place in society as watching the upcoming spectacle of a doddering old fool incoherently giving his first (and probably last) State of the Union address with two radical San Francisco cunts sitting behind him.

Posted by: 370H55V at November 21, 2020 04:54 PM (WusEB)

608 I truly love your blog.. Excellent colors & theme.
Did you make this website yourself? Please reply back as I'm planning to create my very own blog and would love to learn where
you got this from or what the theme is called. Cheers!

Posted by: tpb at November 23, 2020 09:28 AM (lahaf)

609 Hey there, I think your blog might be having browser compatibility issues.
When I look at your blog in Ie, it looks fine but when opening in Internet Explorer,
it has some overlapping. I just wanted to give you a quick
heads up! Other then that, excellent blog!

Posted by: unblocked at November 24, 2020 07:37 PM (roMlw)

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