Wednesday Morning Rant

A Hollow Justification

Over time - and over the past several years in particular - a common theme has arisen on these pages and in the wider world: the loss of trust. The loss of trust, be it institutional or personal, is easy to identify and straightforward to describe, but it can be difficult to internalize. It is hard, as Heinlein might put it, to grok it. Even if one acknowledges a loss of trust and intellectually understands that it has happened, nothing will prevent him from appealing to a trust that no longer exists. The concept of trust, and especially institutional trust, is deeply ingrained.

This phenomenon is what leads to baffling thinkpieces about how, despite the risks involved, an institution (usually a government) should be permitted to do X, Y or Z because the benefits are so great and the risks are small unless there are are dishonest operators. Such thinkpieces should be impossible to produce with any amount of seriousness in Current Year, yet they still come, sometimes from unlikely quarters. On Monday, JJ's Morning Report linked to just such a thinkpiece, published in the American Thinker.

That article, A Defense Of License Plate Readers, tries to build a case that automatic license plate readers - "ALPR" systems - like Flock are totally fine. It highlights perfectly a now baffling appeal to trust, as well as dipping into "ends justify the means" territory and supporting it with strawmen. It starts out with the appeal to trust, right in its sub-headline:

Should we dismantle a super-valuable law enforcement tool just because it's theoretically possible to abuse it?

Set aside for a moment that the risks are demonstrably not merely theoretical. The position itself is baffling. If anyone has not learned over the past decade that there is no daylight between a potential risk and a realized risk when it comes to government operations, that person is engaged in self-delusion.

But the article doesn't jump right in. In traditional fashion, it starts with a harrowing tale of a violent crime where the offender was found thanks to an ALPR system. There has to be some gut-tugging pathos right up front if the reader can be expected to ignore all of the problems to follow. If it saves just one life, dotchyaknow. After the emotional hook comes the false equivalence: that this is really no different from running a plate during a traffic stop, it's just a teeny little bit broader:

... Officers routinely consult computer-aided dispatch records; driver and vehicle databases; the National Crime Information Center (NCIC); the Interstate Identification Index (III); and various local, state, and regional intelligence systems. These resources allow officers to perform a wide array of investigative tasks. Officers routinely use them to identify wanted persons, locate stolen property, review criminal histories, and share intelligence with other agencies.
An ALPR database performs a very similar function. At its most basic level, it records that a publicly displayed license plate, attached to a particular vehicle, passed a particular location at a particular time. ...
Thus, consulting an ALPR database is not fundamentally different from querying a license plate or driver's license during a traffic stop or checking a suspect for warrants. Each task involves access to information for a legitimate law enforcement purpose. ...

Sure. Pull the other one. It jingles. These things are obviously not the same. One usually involves a traffic stop or, at least, human effort. That requires either a reason to engage in the query (the traffic stop) or enough desire to manually collect and run license plate numbers. Throwing out acronyms and drawing false equivalencies doesn't help the argument, but it does help confuse the issue - and so the tactic is useful.

Much later in the article comes the acknowledgment that these things are in fact different, but with an assertion that the difference should be ignored and can be obviated through arbitrary distinctions:

A routine license plate check begins with a vehicle that is already encountered by an officer. By contrast, ALPR cameras automatically collect the plate information of all vehicles that pass by. A network of cameras can then assemble those observations much more efficiently than individual officers watching traffic.
One concern that has been expressed is that ALPRs can be used to reconstruct one's location and activity history. This is a legitimate concern, and the solution is to adopt rules suited to the scale to which an ALPR system is used. Although a single ALPR hit is not the same thing as GPS tracking, broad or prolonged tracking should require a higher level of approval. In some cases, warrants should be required. However, short-term searches for a stolen car are not the same as reconstructing months of someone's movements.

In this case, they are the same. The dragnet is there and the panopticon is built. Setting a time limit on queries that needs a rubber stamp to override it is not a solution. To think it could be a solution is to still be burdened by institutional trust. That the writer has this burden is obvious from elsewhere in the article:

Every useful technology comes with risks. An officer can misuse a driver's license database to obtain an ex-girlfriend's address. A dispatcher can access criminal history or CAD notes without a legitimate reason. A detective can leak confidential information to a friend. Such conduct is already prohibited, and many officers have lost their law enforcement certifications and have been prosecuted for improperly accessing restricted information.
The problem with the "misuse" objection is that it proves way too much. If possible or actual misuse is enough to stop the public implementation of some technology, then it would apply to almost every government tool or power that has ever been used (whether in a criminal, civil, or administrative context). ...

Your terms are acceptable. Getting rid of ALPR systems would be a good start on a wider stand-down of mass surveillance technologies. The more the merrier. None of it - and none of its operators - can be trusted. "Misuse" (which I increasingly think is the wrong word, since these systems appear to be designed to be used in the "wrong" way) is not a risk, it is an inevitability - and it occurs almost immediately.

The entire class of thinkpieces from "conservatives" trying to rationalize mass surveillance technology with a rich history of egregious behavior by its operators is baffling. What about mass surveillance is suddenly rock-ribbed? Nothing. It comes from, I think, two sources. The first is vestigial trust, the belief that the system can be "safeguarded against abuse." It can't. Recent and more distant history does not show any success in safeguarding any system against abuse, which is why good systems design aims for systems that are smaller rather than larger and decentralized rather than centralized.

Outside of a poorly-construct and weak appeal to non-existent trust, I think there may be something more pernicious involved in some this: short-sighted faith that it's okay because "we're in charge." If you didn't click the links, go read the EFF and ILJ reports I referenced just below the fold. EFF in particular chose to cherry-pick specific abuses that are mostly around communist agitators like "No Kings" and abortion clinics while the ILJ focuses more on immigration and personal abuses like stalking, with no mention of any of these dragnets going against conservatives. Reports like these help provide a false sense of security to the "other side" - these systems are working for you! Comfort in advocating for these systems simply because "your side is in charge," if that is part of it, is short-sighted and foolish to the point of stupidity because even if it's true - and it isn't, as the last decade thoroughly demonstrates - "your side" will not be in charge forever.

Articles like this one that extol putative benefits but not the record of abuses, choose "safeguarding" and "rules" as a solution, hearken back to a world of trust that no longer exists, set up strawmen and drift into "the ends justify the means" territory on the back of bloody pathos are themselves prime evidence of core weakness of argument. Universal mass surveillance dragnets are a bad idea, are designed to be "misused" and are antithetical to liberty - and mental gymnastics in weak thinkpieces can do nothing to change that

Posted by: Joe Mannix at 11:00 AM

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1 Nooded.

Posted by: Nazdar at September 16, 2026 11:01 AM (NcvvS)

2 Yep

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 16, 2026 11:01 AM (GXElQ)

3 And SPONGE!!

Posted by: Nazdar at September 16, 2026 11:02 AM (NcvvS)

4 Yo. Now to read the content.

Posted by: RandomDave (if you can spare a bit, please click!) at September 16, 2026 11:02 AM (aJQbY)

5 Loss of trust meet the medical community.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2026 11:03 AM (XE+QS)

6 Fun Flock Fact:

Over 80% of Flock database searches on any given municipality are done by other cities' law enforcement or by someone with general access. Typically with 'no reason given.'

Why is this permitted?

rhetorical

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 16, 2026 11:05 AM (2Cry5)

7 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:05 AM (ccf/V)

8 The flock backlash, the fear of weaponized AI being used to repress us, It's all just a Chinese-lead hoax, you know.

Posted by: The People Who Would Use AI and Flock to Repress Us at September 16, 2026 11:05 AM (dK+Kv)

9 Submitted for your approval, feminists have decided that Sydney Sweeney is to be condemned for using her luscious body to advertise for a sports betting site, but Lindsay Clancy is a hero for viciously murdering her three kids.
WTF?
When, exactly, did we enter this Twilight Zone?

Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at September 16, 2026 11:05 AM (MNCvZ)

10 How about lock up criminals and keep them there and maybe we wouldn't need the damn cameras

Posted by: fd at September 16, 2026 11:06 AM (AzbFU)

11 License plate readers?

That's not what they're using them for. Get rid of them because they MIGHT be abused?

They ARE BEING F*CKING ABUSED EVERY MINUTE.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:06 AM (ccf/V)

12 What happens when your self-driving car decides to have you arrested?

https://youtu.be/80m9cjIReHg

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:06 AM (ExV1e)

13 Commenting present

Posted by: Skip at September 16, 2026 11:06 AM (m0qAc)

14 9 Submitted for your approval, feminists have decided that Sydney Sweeney is to be condemned for using her luscious body to advertise for a sports betting site, but Lindsay Clancy is a hero for viciously murdering her three kids.
WTF?
When, exactly, did we enter this Twilight Zone?

Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at September 16, 2026 11:05 AM (MNCvZ)

=======

2012.

When white progressives started hating themselves.

https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/
2098900970860081611/analytics

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:06 AM (NrFex)

15 Submitted for your approval, feminists have decided that Sydney Sweeney is to be condemned for using her luscious body to advertise for a sports betting site, but Lindsay Clancy is a hero for viciously murdering her three kids.
WTF?
When, exactly, did we enter this Twilight Zone?

Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at September 16, 2026 11:05 AM (MNCvZ)

Might I offer a compromise. I offer myself as tribute, whereby Sydney Sweeney can smother me with her luscious body.

Happy, feminazis?

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 11:07 AM (dK+Kv)

16 Every institution has loss of trust. Sports, government, courts, medicine, schools and universities, and most important-churches. All are bankrupt, corrupted and there is a reason for it. Since 2011, we have been in an extended Judgement Day,which will continue until 2033, the end of all things visible.

Posted by: Ample Biblical Evidence at September 16, 2026 11:08 AM (Fn+3X)

17 2012.

When white progressives started hating themselves.

https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/
2098900970860081611/analytics

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:06 AM (NrFex)

This place. I do recall a particularly strong white guilt push around that time, centered on the dogeater's reelection*.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 11:09 AM (dK+Kv)

18 Since 2011, we have been in an extended Judgement Day,which will continue until 2033, the end of all things visible.

Well... my retirement savings should make it that far, at least. Still, I don't think I'm gonna throw a blow-out party on NYE 2032.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:10 AM (ExV1e)

19 The village of Piddington has voted for independence from the United Kingdom and to become a self governing village in a landslide vote

91% Voting Leave

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:11 AM (ExV1e)

20 2012.

When white progressives started hating themselves.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:06 AM (NrFex)

Part of me feels like they're just starting to be honest about it.

The rest of me feels like this is the natural and expected impact of spending two generations teaching everyone that white people are the worst thing to ever happen to humanity.

The weak-minded and weak-willed will be more susceptible to that message than normal people. Liberal women in particular, needing acceptance in The Group more than they need self-respect and logical consistency, are the target audience and it shows.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:12 AM (gLYp7)

21 Should we dismantle a super-valuable law enforcement tool just because it's theoretically possible to abuse it?
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Yes. Next question.

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:12 AM (b4tyc)

22 "In some cases, warrants should be required."

I think a warrant should be required every time any agency conducts a data base search of the traffic cameras.

While no one is entitled to privacy outside of their home we have the right not to be surveilled by the state when we go about our business unless the police have a reasonable suspicion that we have committed a crime.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 16, 2026 11:12 AM (I43vL)

23 Yeah, there's no trust for any institution - nor should there be. The whole structure is corrupt, top to bottom and stem to stern.

I often advocate for dissolving the Union, but there's no real point to it.

It's going to fall apart on its own.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 16, 2026 11:12 AM (BI5O2)

24 Over 80% of Flock database searches on any given municipality are done by other cities' law enforcement or by someone with general access. Typically with 'no reason given.'
_-_
This is why the fourth amendment to the US Constitution exists. They knew then what we seem to keep forgetting.

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence,—it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant, and a fearful master..."

We should NEVER give any information or resources to government that are not absolutely necessary to keep things from spinning apart.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at September 16, 2026 11:13 AM (oxJBh)

25 >>> A network of cameras can then assemble those observations much more efficiently than individual officers watching traffic.
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Yes, it can cross reference that plate and cross reference everything associated with the first instance, on and on.
Then you have it; a dossier on that person from birth to the
time of the image.

Data bases love to communicate with each other.
None of that icky human interference.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 16, 2026 11:13 AM (3oLMy)

26 The village of Piddington has voted for independence from the United Kingdom and to become a self governing village in a landslide vote

91% Voting Leave

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:11 AM (ExV1e)

In 2024, the village of Piddington campaigned on bringing All The Refugees to the United Kingdom because hate has no home here.

In 2026, the village of Piddington found out 3,500 of those refugees were being settled in their town of 350.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:13 AM (gLYp7)

27 20 Part of me feels like they're just starting to be honest about it.

The rest of me feels like this is the natural and expected impact of spending two generations teaching everyone that white people are the worst thing to ever happen to humanity.

The weak-minded and weak-willed will be more susceptible to that message than normal people. Liberal women in particular, needing acceptance in The Group more than they need self-respect and logical consistency, are the target audience and it shows.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:12 AM (gLYp7)

========

A broad theory I have is that white progressives thought electing Barack Obama would lead to racial utopianism.

When that didn't happen, they blamed white people generally and felt like any effort to even run at all against Obama in 2012 was a betrayal. They already hated us, but the hatred shifted to hatred of the self because of their skin.

It's the moment that they internalized that their skin made them the enemy of progress.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:14 AM (NrFex)

28 he village of Piddington has voted for independence from the United Kingdom and to become a self governing village in a landslide vote

91% Voting Leave

It's easy to make a gesture that you and everyone else knows from the start is hollow. Like all those cities declaring themselves nuclear free zones in the '90s.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 16, 2026 11:14 AM (vTZFs)

29 Show me the man and I will show you a picture of his crime.

Posted by: Flock at September 16, 2026 11:14 AM (RwocX)

30 >>>However, short-term searches for a stolen car are not the same as reconstructing months of someone's movements.

lol

Perhaps we could have an organization that is empowered with law enforcement and investigatory abilities that can be tasked with investigating, locating, and recovering stolen vehicles, and then prosecuting those involved.

That would be cool.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 11:14 AM (dK+Kv)

31 26 The village of Piddington has voted for independence from the United Kingdom and to become a self governing village in a landslide vote

91% Voting Leave

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:11 AM (ExV1e)

In 2024, the village of Piddington campaigned on bringing All The Refugees to the United Kingdom because hate has no home here.

In 2026, the village of Piddington found out 3,500 of those refugees were being settled in their town of 350.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:13 AM (gLYp7)

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British progs, man. Dumber than our own.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:14 AM (NrFex)

32 no trust for any institution - nor should there be
_-_
Well put, YD.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at September 16, 2026 11:14 AM (oxJBh)

33 Every institution has loss of trust. Sports

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Look. A second here or there, what's the big deal?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:15 AM (ndZc7)

34 In some cases, warrants should be required.

Fortunately, the FISA court has shown us that judges are very skeptical of police actions and will only issue warrants when there is ample evidence one is needed. Unless Trump, of course.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:16 AM (ExV1e)

35 NIMBY is alive and well.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 16, 2026 11:16 AM (GXElQ)

36 One thing for sure, trust is easier destroyed than rebuilt.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:16 AM (ndZc7)

37 The genie is not going back into the bottle.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at September 16, 2026 11:17 AM (GTqXr)

38 'Lifelong Democrat' admits she is 'ashamed' of party after son killed in illegal immigrant crash.

Not ashamed when it was other people's kids being killed though.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:17 AM (ExV1e)

39 I get the argument that Flock is merely a tool, and we should trust the police because - well, just because. One could say the same thing about the potential for abuse by having ANY police department. The only real solution is to have draconian punishments for abuse of the public trust, but we've seen how that's worked out over the last 10-20 years. That's why trust has been lost.

When people go to jail or the wall for trying to overthrow the government under the Biden administration, we can talk. Until then, no soap.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:17 AM (Riz8t)

40 I distrust government because I don't believe in altruism. There are no selfless good deeds in government. I despise the Congress of the United States because I believe Congress now exists to serve the needs of Congress, its members, and of Congress's financial benefactors.

The fish stinks from head to tail.

Posted by: Don Black at September 16, 2026 11:17 AM (ZxPkt)

41 Not to worry. Soon you will need to submit your plan for the day to the citizen portal so the AI can "make reservations, etc." for you. Then it will download the routes to your car (after correcting for "unadvisable" activities) and you'll be on your way.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at September 16, 2026 11:17 AM (oxJBh)

42 Be sure to check out RedMindBlueState's new hash, if you haven't already.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at September 16, 2026 11:18 AM (0sNs1)

43 When, exactly, did we enter this Twilight Zone?

Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at September 16, 2026 11:05 AM (MNCvZ)

There have been several brainwashing ops in the last 15 or so years to go with the extended one we live under. Detailed mostly right here on these very pages by yours truly - I said they were going to ply people, drive them nuts, and into believing ever more ridiculous things.

I even told you which groups would be targeted and when. What's more I told you not just when and who, but HOW they were doing it.

And it's still happening. We are victims of it here to an extent. We talk about the things the Left wants us to talk about. That's huge. And because we haven't lived any other way for so long, it doesn't seem that odd or weird. But trust me it's insane. We are in one long "national conversation".

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:18 AM (b4tyc)

44 'Lifelong Democrat' admits she is 'ashamed' of party after son killed in illegal immigrant crash.

Not ashamed when it was other people's kids being killed though.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:17 AM (ExV1e)

Better than some of them...

IIRC, there was a German member of the EU Parliament who lost his daughter to the newcomers. He used her memory to advocate for more newcomers because it's 'what she would have wanted.'

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:18 AM (gLYp7)

45 38 'Lifelong Democrat' admits she is 'ashamed' of party after son killed in illegal immigrant crash.

Not ashamed when it was other people's kids being killed though.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:17 AM (ExV1e)

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"I could have prevented this by prioritizing the good of my own people over the good of random strangers from other countries, but I instead chose empty sloganeering about helping anyone and everyone no matter what they believed or their backgrounds, and now I've finally learned that this might have been a bad idea."
-probably below median intelligence

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:19 AM (NrFex)

46 The village of Piddington has voted for independence from the United Kingdom and to become a self governing village in a landslide vote

91% Voting Leave

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They ought to Charles I Charles III.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM (ndZc7)

47 'Lifelong Democrat' admits she is 'ashamed' of party after son killed in illegal immigrant crash.

Not ashamed when it was other people's kids being killed though.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:17 AM (ExV1e)

Ox. Gore. Some assembly required.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM (dK+Kv)

48 I think a warrant should be required every time any agency conducts a data base search of the traffic cameras.

While no one is entitled to privacy outside of their home we have the right not to be surveilled by the state when we go about our business unless the police have a reasonable suspicion that we have committed a crime.

Your argument got me to thinking. What's the difference between a Flock camera monitoring everyone walking down the street, and a cop on the corner watching for bad behavior?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM (Riz8t)

49 The village of Piddington has voted for independence from the United Kingdom and to become a self governing village in a landslide vote

91% Voting Leave

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:11 AM

I hear Mr. and Mrs. Markle are available to assume King and Queenship duties.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM (0sNs1)

50 If it saves just one life, dotchyaknow.

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"F*CK human life! If it saves Just One Tree, H8R!"

Posted by: ShainS at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM (ZDnkQ)

51 As I mentioned upthread; many of the database searches from outside agencies have "no reason given" as the, you know, reason the search is being conducted in the first place. Why? If there's no legit reason to browse a cities' Flock or other security camera network's data... why are they allowing it?

And then have the municipal government entities who approved the surveillance systems to explain the placement criteria. Why is a camera pointed at a kiddy pool? At a gun store? At a night club? Wouldn't those places have their own security devices inside the perimeter?

That the municipalities are unwilling to discuss any of that in public is sort of telling.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 16, 2026 11:21 AM (2Cry5)

52 We need a.new national discussion on privacy (ha!!) that focuses on penalties for misuse of the various ways.modern technologies have voided the traditional expected availability of a private life.
One strike and you are out, whether local cop with a jones or a clique of upper level national security or FBI types. All the focus on privacy should be on punishing those who violate it, thus inhibiting the victims clear constitutional rights. And Judicial authorizations should be subject to same scrutiny and punishment. You should be able to sue judges and officials, and burden of proof should be on them.

Posted by: From about That Time at September 16, 2026 11:21 AM (sl73Y)

53 The only reason MAGA didn't have a HUGE split in it after 2024 was because Trump defused the op single handedly. And practically nobody knows what he did or that it happened.

They tried to bifurcate us. You can see the obvious fruits of some of it now in living color, but Trump saw it all coming as early as 20 or so months ago. And in a single press conference he pulled the rug out from under the entire operation and just left most people scratching their heads. But that was the end of the op to split us down the middle. They carved off 4% at most. Maybe a bit more with the war.

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:22 AM (b4tyc)

54 Tangentially on topic, system abuse:
Better-half once got a ticket from Tucson, our jeep driven by our son got caught by a photo radar trap. The ticket came to her with our son's picture and a copy of her license with the F crossed out an and M hand written. She ignored it, got a subpoena, went to court, the judge says you aren't male throws the ticket out and tells her to pay for the cost of the subpoena. She objects on the grounds it shouldn't have been issued in the first place. The judge attempts charge for additional BS, she stands her ground and judge all waves fees (while the court recorder smirks).

She asked about the original fraud but couldn't get anywhere. sigh.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 16, 2026 11:22 AM (NnhvP)

55 There outta be a law!

Posted by: Johnny Waterwalker Doogooder at September 16, 2026 11:22 AM (Z8Kuq)

56 One strike and you are out, whether local cop with a jones or a clique of upper level national security or FBI types.
_-_
Heh. That would probably empty some buildings.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at September 16, 2026 11:23 AM (oxJBh)

57 Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 16, 2026 11:21 AM (2Cry5)

They are operating under the ask forgiveness not permission law.

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:23 AM (b4tyc)

58 BREAKING NEWS: Lena Dunham has welcomed her first child via surrogate.

The 40-year-old Girls creator and husband Luis Felber announced that they had welcomed a new child in an op-ed for Vogue published Wednesday morning.

Dunham had kept relatively quiet about her hopes to become a parent after she underwent a hysterectomy in 2018.

The actress and writer made the difficult decision to have a total hysterectomy to remove her uterus and cervix and an ovary after enduring years of endometriosis-related pain.

Dunham married Peruvian-British musician Felber in a low-key London ceremony back in September 2021.

Felber previously revealed how they were set up on a blind date by a mutual friend and got on so well on their first meeting that they 'didn't stop talking for eight hours'.

Posted by: AoSHQ Celebrity News Bureau and Rumour Centre at September 16, 2026 11:23 AM (0sNs1)

59 white people are the worst thing to ever happen to humanity.
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Racism in Hollywood.

Hold on tight. Sunny Hostin is playing the race card.
The far-Left “View” host played it for personal reasons this time. Hostin, unbeknownst to many, is a published author. Her book series includes titles like “Summer on the Bluffs” and “Summer on Highland Beach.”
Turns out at least one tome made it to the New York Times’ Bestseller list. Said list is compromised, sadly, but it’s still a feather in Hostin’s cap.
You go, birthing person!
That’s not enough, though. She wants to see her stories on the big screen. And she blames racism for their absence.
“And the gatekeeping in Hollywood around Black and Brown creative content is insane,” she continued. “I cannot get New York Times best-selling books onto the screen to tell diverse stories to diverse communities.”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:23 AM (ndZc7)

60 You should throw in something regarding the youtube video that came out about how LG TV's record every conversation, even when off the internet and unplugged (so on internal battery) and send the info home to "LG" for a "better, targeted, marketing experience" once it's reconnected.

I imagine the same thing that Amazon/Facebook/TikTok (?)/etc do on phones and how you miraculously receive emails with products you are interested in 10 minutes you mention you "love cashews".

You KNOW the DIA has their fingers in that and are getting a copy of everything you do and storing it somewhere to be queried by a GS-7 who wants to know secret stuff about his ex-girlfriend.

Posted by: s_tenhoff at September 16, 2026 11:23 AM (2waQ7)

61 Your argument got me to thinking. What's the difference between a Flock camera monitoring everyone walking down the street, and a cop on the corner watching for bad behavior?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM (Riz8t)

The cop is present and, in the event of bad behavior, can take action to either resolve the issue, or protect themselves, depending on the nature of the infraction and the race of the perpetrator.

A flock camera compiles a historical record of your activities which can be perused later, when actions which were once legal have been declared illegal.

These are not the same.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:23 AM (ExV1e)

62 What's the difference between a Flock camera monitoring everyone walking down the street, and a cop on the corner watching for bad behavior?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM (Riz8t)

The cop doesn't have the instant, automated ability to access every bit of information about you from every single database, social media site, and government agency before spitting out a dossier of you, your life, your history, and likely near-term future (where you're going, with whom, why).

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:23 AM (gLYp7)

63 'Lifelong Democrat' admits she is 'ashamed' of party after son killed in illegal immigrant crash.

Not ashamed when it was other people's kids being killed though.

Everything the lefties do is to raise their social status among their peers, despite their total lack of actual accomplishments. The most amusing and telling example is the "non-practicing whites". It's just a fancy way of saying "I'm not like all those other icky white people. I'm better.", despite the absence of any evidence to support the assertion.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:23 AM (Riz8t)

64 In the television show Person of Interest, Harold Finch builds the ultimate digital panopticon. However, he's very much aware of the potential for abuse.

His solution is to encrypt the "black box" of the Machine so thoroughly that it simply cannot be hacked. The only information anyone is allowed to access is a SSN. "Relevant" numbers--those related to national security concerns--are passed to government agencies. "Irrelevant" numbers--where a crime has been identified that's NOT pertinent to national security--are passed off to Finch and his colleague Reese.

In both cases, humans are directed to take a closer look at the SSNs involved, rather then being handed a complete picture of the situation. They must then use OTHER tools to figure out what's going on.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 16, 2026 11:24 AM (FZ29D)

65 >They ought to Charles I Charles III.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM (ndZc7)

Not a fan of the British Monarchy, especially King Chuck the Retarded - but blame lays squarely on the English political class. Even the 'conservative' Tories threw out the welcome map. Bunch of wankers.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at September 16, 2026 11:24 AM (GTqXr)

66 I hear Mr. and Mrs. Markle are available to assume King and Queenship duties.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM (0sNs1)

I believe that would be Kween and Simpship duties.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:24 AM (ExV1e)

67 "Misuse" (which I increasingly think is the wrong word, since these systems appear to be designed to be used in the "wrong" way) is not a risk, it is an inevitability - and it occurs almost immediately.

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It's gonna be as secure, properly used, and trustworthy as The Vaunted FISA Courts and The SCOTUS Chief Justice who presides over them.

Not to worry, paranoid comrades!

Posted by: ShainS at September 16, 2026 11:24 AM (ZDnkQ)

68 BREAKING NEWS: Lena Dunham has welcomed her first child via surrogate.

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There's a name I was hoping to never hear again.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:24 AM (ndZc7)

69 Submitted for your approval, feminists have decided that Sydney Sweeney is to be condemned for using her luscious body to advertise for a sports betting site, but Lindsay Clancy is a hero for viciously murdering her three kids.
WTF?
When, exactly, did we enter this Twilight Zone?
Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at September 16, 2026 11:05 AM (MNCvZ)

Sports books are evil, but unfortunately they are legal. She showed poor judgement in taking their money, but a job is a job.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:25 AM (1z8ji)

70 I think Ace needs to do a whole thread on the Sydney Sweeney sports-betting ad.

Posted by: Bulg at September 16, 2026 11:25 AM (77rzZ)

71 12 What happens when your self-driving car decides to have you arrested?

https://youtu.be/80m9cjIReHg

Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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Waymo is owned by Alphabet.
ChickenShit business, ChikenShit car.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 16, 2026 11:25 AM (3oLMy)

72 65 Not a fan of the British Monarchy, especially King Chuck the Retarded - but blame lays squarely on the English political class. Even the 'conservative' Tories threw out the welcome map. Bunch of wankers.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at September 16, 2026 11:24 AM (GTqXr)

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Up until about 2 years ago, the most common Labour critique of the Tories on immigration was that the Conservative Party was too open borders.

The Labour party was the restrictionist immigration party forever in Britain. Jeremy Corbyn made a lot of speeches about how open borders undercut the British working class' wages.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:25 AM (NrFex)

73 Your argument got me to thinking. What's the difference between a Flock camera monitoring everyone walking down the street, and a cop on the corner watching for bad behavior?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM (Riz8t)

The breadth, the permanence.

The camera isn't just "monitoring" - it's recording. Every individual's whereabouts at that moment become a permanent living record.

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:26 AM (b4tyc)

74 “And the gatekeeping in Hollywood around Black and Brown creative content is insane,” she continued. “I cannot get New York Times best-selling books onto the screen to tell diverse stories to diverse communities.”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:23 AM (ndZc7)

The gatekeeping is so bad that there are no stereotypes or comedy routines about black people in movie theaters.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 11:26 AM (dK+Kv)

75 Archimedes,

Ultimately the problem is not, as your example points out, 'the individual camera'. It's the backend supercollation, the lack of strong abuse prevention, and the worshipful faith that 'the system says that your car was there, so I ignore the evidence of my eyes' as has been seen in some cases.

Posted by: RandomDave (if you can spare a bit, please click!) at September 16, 2026 11:26 AM (aJQbY)

76 'Lifelong Democrat' admits she is 'ashamed' of party after son killed in illegal immigrant crash.

Not ashamed when it was other people's kids being killed though.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:17 AM (ExV1e)

It was fine until it actually affected me.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:26 AM (ccf/V)

77 Thx Joe.
I don't buy the privacy argument because when you are in public you have no expectation of privacy.
However the abuses of the technology is the problem. Stories about cops stalking their ex's and present girlfriends makes a strong argument against these cameras.
I live on a main street and there is a school diagonally across from me about 100 yards away. The city installed cameras to monitor speeding in the school zone for 'safety". I don't see it being any safer, but the city makes a lot of money from tickets.
So surveillance and cash grab turns me off from this tech

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 16, 2026 11:26 AM (OLZpF)

78 >Sports books are evil, but unfortunately they are legal. She showed poor judgement in taking their money, but a job is a job.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:25 AM (1z8ji)

Nothing to see here...

Posted by: Sportsball Commisioners at September 16, 2026 11:27 AM (GTqXr)

79 What's the difference between a Flock camera monitoring everyone walking down the street, and a cop on the corner watching for bad behavior?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM (Riz8t)

The cop doesn't have the instant, automated ability to access every bit of information about you from every single database, social media site, and government agency before spitting out a dossier of you, your life, your history, and likely near-term future (where you're going, with whom, why).

That sounds like a difference of degree, not kind. Where do we draw the line? Does a cop with a good memory cross the line?

I'm not being obstreperous, I just like thinking things through to a logical conclusion.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:28 AM (Riz8t)

80 74 “And the gatekeeping in Hollywood around Black and Brown creative content is insane,” she continued. “I cannot get New York Times best-selling books onto the screen to tell diverse stories to diverse communities.”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:23 AM (ndZc7)

The gatekeeping is so bad that there are no stereotypes or comedy routines about black people in movie theaters.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 11:26 AM (dK+Kv)

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Blade Runner 2099, the limited series sequel to Blade Runner and BR 2049, is all about women and Michelle Yeoh is the second lead. The other lead? A tranny (Hunter Schafer).

They took a geek property beloved mostly by men (yes, there are female fans, but scifi noir is mostly a dude thing) and made it about Asian women and trannies.

But, yeah, the gatekeeping to keep white men at the top is insane, bruh.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:28 AM (NrFex)

81 In 2024, the village of Piddington campaigned on bringing All The Refugees to the United Kingdom because hate has no home here.

In 2026, the village of Piddington found out 3,500 of those refugees were being settled in their town of 350.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:13 AM (gLYp7)

Did the former actually happen?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:28 AM (1z8ji)

82 76 'Lifelong Democrat' admits she is 'ashamed' of party after son killed in illegal immigrant crash.

Not ashamed when it was other people's kids being killed though.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 16, 2026 11:17 AM (ExV1e)

It was fine until it actually affected me.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:26 AM (ccf/V)

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The funniest thing?

It has been affecting her.

It's been driving up her rents, insurance, and general cost of living for decades.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:29 AM (NrFex)

83 I don't buy the privacy argument because when you are in public you have no expectation of privacy.

So surveillance and cash grab turns me off from this tech
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 16, 2026 11:26 AM (OLZpF)

There's a massive categorical difference between 'here's where you were Wednesday at 1128, when the gas station across the street blew up,' and 'here's where you've been every minute of every day for the past seventeen months, which we will now use to extrapolate out where you'll be next Wednesday at 1128.'

Oh, and we'll give that information to anyone who purchases it, public or private, warrant or not.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:29 AM (gLYp7)

84 Piddlington leftists should contact Martha's Vineyard leftists to see how to handle it

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 16, 2026 11:29 AM (OLZpF)

85 Sports books are evil, but unfortunately they are legal. She showed poor judgement in taking their money, but a job is a job.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:25 AM (1z8ji)

Nothing to see here...
Posted by: Sportsball Commisioners at September 16, 2026 11:27 AM (GTqXr)

The NFL entered PARTNERSHIPS with sportsbooks. Not sponsorship deals. PARTHERSHIPS.

The NFL is WWE. Scripted. Fake. Money laundering.

Sports betting has RUINED sport.

It doesn't help that Roger Goodell is the worst f*cking commissioner in the history of sport.

He's single handedly made football unwatchable.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:30 AM (ccf/V)

86 I'm not being obstreperous, I just like thinking things through to a logical conclusion.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:28 AM (Riz8t)

You say you're asking in good faith, and you've been here long enough that I believe you.

The good faith answer is that Flock sells that information to anyone and everyone, public or private, warrant or no.

IF you think cops using Flock to stalk their girlfriends is bad, wait until people start purchasing data to determine where their ex is going to be next Saturday at 0930.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:31 AM (gLYp7)

87 Your argument got me to thinking. What's the difference between a Flock camera monitoring everyone walking down the street, and a cop on the corner watching for bad behavior?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM (Riz8t)

The breadth, the permanence.

The camera isn't just "monitoring" - it's recording. Every individual's whereabouts at that moment become a permanent living record.

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:26 AM (b4tyc)

. . . regardless of criminal activity undertaken by the observed.

Those non-criminal activities observed by the cop are then immediately mentally discarded, as opposed to catalogued for future use against you by LE, by stalkers, by PIs gaining illegitimate access, by politicians, etc.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 11:31 AM (dK+Kv)

88 I trust Sophie.

Sophie Cunningham Makes NASCAR Pit-Road Debut: “Best Day of My Entire Life”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:31 AM (ndZc7)

89 It's been driving up her rents, insurance, and general cost of living for decades.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:29 AM (NrFex)

They don't believe that. That's TRUMP'S fault, you see.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:31 AM (ccf/V)

90 That sounds like a difference of degree, not kind. Where do we draw the line? Does a cop with a good memory cross the line?

I'm not being obstreperous, I just like thinking things through to a logical conclusion.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:28 AM (Riz8t)

There is no memory on earth that can remember the thousand people that passed by and what time they did and what they were carrying. What about when flock cameras get x-ray technology and can see everything you have on your person at any moment and put it into a permanent database. You think they're gonna call THAT an illegal search? You're in public, no expectation of privacy. Besides, nobody searched you.

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:31 AM (b4tyc)

91 88 I trust Sophie.

Sophie Cunningham Makes NASCAR Pit-Road Debut: “Best Day of My Entire Life”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:31 AM (ndZc7)

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There was something going around this weekend about MAGA was totally going to suddenly abandon her because her new boyfriend is black.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:31 AM (NrFex)

92 Very thoughtful, well written, and persuasive article, Mr. Mannix. Just what I would expect from this website.

Posted by: Retired, thank God at September 16, 2026 11:32 AM (va0Yo)

93 In 2024, the village of Piddington campaigned on bringing All The Refugees to the United Kingdom because hate has no home here.

In 2026, the village of Piddington found out 3,500 of those refugees were being settled in their town of 350.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:13 AM (gLYp7)

Did the former actually happen?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:28 AM (1z8ji)

100% truth.

https://x.com/Shurikenblaster/
status/2098321595945132076

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:33 AM (gLYp7)

94 89 They don't believe that. That's TRUMP'S fault, you see.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:31 AM (ccf/V)

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And now that rents are dropping nationwide (uneven, but mostly in jurisdictions where local cops have 287g agreements with DHS) alongside sudden mass deportations that have led to the US net losing population for the first time in 6 decades, it's just a coincidence.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:33 AM (NrFex)

95 Yeah. The cop has to have probable cause to pull you over.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at September 16, 2026 11:33 AM (36x1j)

96 What happens when your self-driving car decides to have you arrested?

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"You have no right to remain silent, unless you are a Traitor testifying before Confessional Failure Theater.

Anything your phone says against you can be used in Court."

/Predicted SCOTUS Miranda Update in 2028

Posted by: ShainS at September 16, 2026 11:33 AM (ZDnkQ)

97
There was something going around this weekend about MAGA was totally going to suddenly abandon her because her new boyfriend is black.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:31 AM (NrFex)

This is yet another thing that most people don't give a flying f*ck about.

So what? She made a choice. If that floats her boat, so be it.

It's the LEFT that cares about trivial shit like that.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:33 AM (ccf/V)

98 The good faith answer is that Flock sells that information to anyone and everyone, public or private, warrant or no.

IF you think cops using Flock to stalk their girlfriends is bad, wait until people start purchasing data to determine where their ex is going to be next Saturday at 0930.

There's a small industry on YT of people filming in front of some building or another, usually a government one, in order to draw the ire of the local cops. The filmer then points out that he is entirely within his rights to film in a public place, and usually the cops have to tuck their tails and leave.

There is a conflict between this freedom, and the desire to limit Flock cameras, and I'd be hard put to figure out how to allow one and forbid the other.

This is going to get very messy in a legal sense.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:34 AM (Riz8t)

99 Just reread #52. Jeez, I got out of the dreamer side of bed this morning.

Posted by: From about That Time at September 16, 2026 11:34 AM (sl73Y)

100 Oh, and I learned you can't spell 'advertisements' without semen between tits.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:34 AM (ccf/V)

101 Your argument got me to thinking. What's the difference between a Flock camera monitoring everyone walking down the street, and a cop on the corner watching for bad behavior?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM (Riz8t)

The cop is not keeping voluminous records of every person's activities. And if he sees a crime being committed, he can act then and there to apprehend the perp, thereby stopping the perp's crime spree. The Flock camera might observe the crime, record it, and provide enough information to arrest the perp, at some later date, after he has committed many more crimes.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:34 AM (1z8ji)

102 Remember to lone juror?

Not only is he a man, not only is black, he is Catholic.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at September 16, 2026 11:34 AM (36x1j)

103 The cop is expected to make at least an attempt to provide notice that they believe you have broken the law immediately at that time. You know immediately what you will need to compile to prove otherwise. Even if you cannot prove otherwise or the courts do not later accept that proof, you personally know the truth of what happened.

None of this is true when you receive an accusation a month later, or two months later, with nothing but a few photographs at best documenting the “crime”. Unless you are someone who thinks constantly in terms of alibis, there is rarely anything you can recall from that specific moment and place to successfully counter the accusation even in your own mind, let alone that of the “court”.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 16, 2026 11:34 AM (olroh)

104 102 Remember to lone juror?

Not only is he a man, not only is black, he is Catholic.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at September 16, 2026 11:34 AM (36x1j)

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And an immigrant from Haiti.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:35 AM (NrFex)

105 There's a small industry on YT of people filming in front of some building or another, usually a government one, in order to draw the ire of the local cops. The filmer then points out that he is entirely within his rights to film in a public place, and usually the cops have to tuck their tails and leave.

There is a conflict between this freedom, and the desire to limit Flock cameras, and I'd be hard put to figure out how to allow one and forbid the other.

This is going to get very messy in a legal sense.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:34 AM (Riz8t)

I believe it all revolves around what rights you violate with the data you've retrieved in the filming.

But what do I know.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:35 AM (ccf/V)

106 Goodell almost seems the chosen destructor. Same for the weirdo fuck that runs the NBA.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 16, 2026 11:36 AM (GXElQ)

107
There was something going around this weekend about MAGA was totally going to suddenly abandon her because her new boyfriend is black.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:31 AM (NrFex)
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Sophie grew up in the 'hood, playing basketball, and she plays basketball for a living. That she is dating a black dude is about the least surprising thing in the world. Also, "MAGA" people aren't the ones obsessed with race. Usual lame-ass projection by leftoids.

Posted by: ballistic at September 16, 2026 11:36 AM (oqH4h)

108 Fun Fact: Miranda was a violent kidnapper rapist

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:36 AM (b4tyc)

109 There is no memory on earth that can remember the thousand people that passed by and what time they did and what they were carrying. What about when flock cameras get x-ray technology and can see everything you have on your person at any moment and put it into a permanent database. You think they're gonna call THAT an illegal search? You're in public, no expectation of privacy. Besides, nobody searched you.

That was exactly the point I was making. IMHO, this issue is not amenable to an easy Hell No! or Hell Yes! solution.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:36 AM (Riz8t)

110 The cop is not keeping voluminous records of every person's activities. And if he sees a crime being committed, he can act then and there to apprehend the perp, thereby stopping the perp's crime spree. The Flock camera might observe the crime, record it, and provide enough information to arrest the perp, at some later date, after he has committed many more crimes.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:34 AM (1z8ji)
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The visible, physical presence of the cop also acts as a *deterrent* to crime because criminals are less likely to commit a crime if they reasonably believe that they will be chased down by a nearby cop.

However, Flock cameras (and other surveillance tools) are NOT readily visible or identifiable as such, so criminals will be MORE likely to commit crimes if they believe that they are not being surveilled.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 16, 2026 11:37 AM (FZ29D)

111 Your argument got me to thinking. What's the difference between a Flock camera monitoring everyone walking down the street, and a cop on the corner watching for bad behavior?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:20 AM

The cop isn't connected to the internet with unlimited storage. While the cop on the street corner is conducting surveillance for the state he is not cataloging every single person's face and location constantly.

As you said the cop is watching for bad behavior and he will react to that, he is not standing there 24/7 collecting data on every person that walks by him that will be preserved and be searchable forever.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 16, 2026 11:37 AM (I43vL)

112 The left is anti-Flock.
Therefore I am pro-Flock.

It’s as easy as that for me these days.

See also data centers.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:37 AM (8m4AW)

113 Here's a headline that's on point not to mention true.

Ed Brodow: Leftist Juries Are Undermining Confidence in the Justice System

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:37 AM (ndZc7)

114 There was something going around this weekend about MAGA was totally going to suddenly abandon her because her new boyfriend is black.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Plot twist. The boyfriend is the Clancy hold out juror. 😂😂😂😂😂

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2026 11:37 AM (XE+QS)

115 Fun Fact: Miranda was a violent kidnapper rapist
Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:36 AM (b4tyc)

He was doing it in Texas......

Posted by: Butthole Surfers at September 16, 2026 11:37 AM (ccf/V)

116 I believe it all revolves around what rights you violate with the data you've retrieved in the filming.

But what do I know.......

That could be.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:38 AM (Riz8t)

117 That was exactly the point I was making. IMHO, this issue is not amenable to an easy Hell No! or Hell Yes! solution.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:36 AM (Riz8t)

I don't understand how me answering your question made your point for you but I'm super duper glad I could help. Next time why don't you make your own point.

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:38 AM (b4tyc)

118 I trust Sophie.

Sophie Cunningham Makes NASCAR Pit-Road Debut: “Best Day of My Entire Life”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:31 AM (ndZc7)

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"During the event, Cunningham interacted with several high-profile figures, including Michael Jordan (co-owner of 23XI Racing) and NASCAR Hall of Famer Jeff Gordon."

Michael Jordan, Southern Redneck?

Bubba Wallace, The FBI, and garage door ~~nooses~~ pull straps hardest hit ...

Posted by: ShainS at September 16, 2026 11:39 AM (ZDnkQ)

119 There is a conflict between this freedom, and the desire to limit Flock cameras, and I'd be hard put to figure out how to allow one and forbid the other.

This is going to get very messy in a legal sense.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:34 AM (Riz8t)

I don't agree that there is a conflict.

As it stands today, in theory, evidence obtained in violation of the 4th Amendment cannot be used to convict you.

The idea that the 4th Amendment permits warrantless permanent, wholesale collection, collation, and dissemination of everything you've done, everywhere you've gone, and everything and everyone you've ever associated with is not messy in the legal sense - it is unconstitutional.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:39 AM (gLYp7)

120 You should throw in something regarding the youtube video that came out about how LG TV's record every conversation, even when off the internet and unplugged (so on internal battery) and send the info home to "LG" for a "better, targeted, marketing experience" once it's reconnected.

I imagine the same thing that Amazon/Facebook/TikTok (?)/etc do on phones and how you miraculously receive emails with products you are interested in 10 minutes you mention you "love cashews".

You KNOW the DIA has their fingers in that and are getting a copy of everything you do and storing it somewhere to be queried by a GS-7 who wants to know secret stuff about his ex-girlfriend.
Posted by: s_tenhoff at September 16, 2026 11:23 AM (2waQ7)

I can avoid the spy TV's by not having a TV. I can avoid the spying phones by not having a phone, or by using a security/privacy focused OS.

I cannot avoid the Flock cameras.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:40 AM (1z8ji)

121 If "it" increases government control or power "it" is by definition BAD for society and citizens.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 16, 2026 11:40 AM (xvV+O)

122 As you said the cop is watching for bad behavior and he will react to that, he is not standing there 24/7 collecting data on every person that walks by him that will be preserved and be searchable forever.

Cops, especially beat cops, know most of the people on their beat, and form a picture of which ones are a problem over time. In a sense, they are gathering data 24/7. I suppose you could argue that they have a lot more "reasonable cause" to gather data on someone than does a Flock camera.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:40 AM (Riz8t)

123 Goodell almost seems the chosen destructor. Same for the weirdo fuck that runs the NBA.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 16, 2026 11:36 AM (GXElQ)

Adam Silver exists to entice LeBron James to impregnate him. The rest of the league can f*ck off.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:40 AM (ccf/V)

124 The left is anti-Flock.
Therefore I am pro-Flock.

It’s as easy as that for me these days.

See also data centers.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:37 AM (8m4AW)

You are delegating your thought and decision-making processes to leftists. Let us know how that turns out for you.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 11:41 AM (dK+Kv)

125 Any tech used by law enforcement can be abused. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use its it means put better guardrails to prevent abuse. It will never be 100% but no system is. As a society we routinely tolerate negatives from a system/process because the positives vastly outweigh them. 40k people die in car crashes every year but we don’t get rid of cars as an example.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:41 AM (8m4AW)

126 The cameras are a travesty and an invasive injustice.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 16, 2026 11:41 AM (3oLMy)

127 Thank you for posting this, it is 100% correct

Posted by: isolden at September 16, 2026 11:41 AM (dB99g)

128 Piddington bear is grumpy.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 16, 2026 11:41 AM (Cqx++)

129 128 Piddington bear is grumpy.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 16, 2026 11:41 AM (Cqx++)

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Piddington Bear's hard stare doesn't work nearly as well as Paddington Brown's hard stare.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:42 AM (NrFex)

130 Fun Fact: Miranda was a violent kidnapper rapist
Posted by: ...

I once heard an AWFL opine that we should be thankful to Ernesto Miranda for all he's done for us.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:42 AM (ndZc7)

131 The purpose of a system is what it does. All the blah-blah yadda-yadda can be safely ignored, as just sales pitch and rationalization.

The one good thing that ALPRs can do that nothing else can is something that we don't need yet. I would like to see them all installed but turned off, until we get a Constitutional amendment carving out a 1A exception for Marxism and Islam. When practicing either is a treasonous offense punishable by lifetime banishment from America, then we will want to be able to flip a switch and know where they all are at all times.

Until then, a technology powerful enough to round up every last socialist and Muslim in America is one that we should probably at least refrain from, and maybe even forbid.

Posted by: SciVo at September 16, 2026 11:42 AM (ke3zm)

132
Michael Jordan, Southern Redneck?

Bubba Wallace, The FBI, and garage door nooses pull straps hardest hit ...
Posted by: ShainS at September 16, 2026 11:39 AM (ZDnkQ)

Nascar and GFY. MAINLY because they've made the racist grifter asshole Bubba Wallace their poster child.

You don't invite Dracula in your home. He will suck your blood till you're dry.

Nascar is dying a slow, painful death.

They can't figure out why.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:42 AM (ccf/V)

133 You are delegating your thought and decision-making processes to leftists. Let us know how that turns out for you.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 11:41 AM (dK+Kv)

If Francesca Hong is against it there’s a 99.999% chance the it is good.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:43 AM (8m4AW)

134 ======

Piddington Bear's hard stare doesn't work nearly as well as Paddington Brown's hard stare.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:42 AM (NrFex)

Winnie poos in your general direction.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:43 AM (ccf/V)

135 'Lifelong Democrat' admits she is 'ashamed' of party after son killed in illegal immigrant crash.

There, there, you mustn't blame yourself... Oops, never mind. I see that you didn't!

Posted by: t-bird at September 16, 2026 11:43 AM (ASAPZ)

136 Cops, especially beat cops, know most of the people on their beat, and form a picture of which ones are a problem over time. In a sense, they are gathering data 24/7. I suppose you could argue that they have a lot more "reasonable cause" to gather data on someone than does a Flock camera.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:40 AM (Riz8t)

Now explain how that cop's memory is going to reach back seven months ago to that time the white, male subject dropped the N-bomb on a black man to serve as an aggravating factor in the bar fight he just got into with a completely different black man.

Now it's not a simple assault, it's a hate crime and he's going away for fifteen years.

Your cop can't do that, but Flock will absolutely draw connections to things that aren't actually connected.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:44 AM (gLYp7)

137 Any tech used by law enforcement can be abused.

You misspelled 'will.'

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:44 AM (ccf/V)

138 Lifelong Democrat' admits she is 'ashamed' of party after son killed in illegal immigrant crash.

There, there, you mustn't blame yourself... Oops, never mind. I see that you didn't!

Heh. They never do.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:44 AM (Riz8t)

139 I suppose you could argue that they have a lot more "reasonable cause" to gather data on someone than does a Flock camera.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:40 AM (Riz8t)

You know there are humans "watching" these cameras, yeah?

Instead of putting a cop with an agenda on one corner you are putting him on every single corner at the same time 24/7.

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:44 AM (b4tyc)

140 For a long time now the Cop Shows have extolled the Surveillance State and in the episodes often lament that it is not even more pervasive. Dialog that says “ if only, as in if only we had more cameras in an area we could have seen the BAD GUYS, or if only we had better surveillance we could have seen the FACES of the BAD GUYS, or read their license plates”. See the thread here? Of course they were all BAD GUYS. This is what conditioning looks like. Decades of a message, on a loop.

Posted by: tubal at September 16, 2026 11:44 AM (Gqar8)

141
https://x.com/Shurikenblaster/
status/2098321595945132076

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:33 AM (gLYp7)

Bad link. Goes to a Twatter signup.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:45 AM (1z8ji)

142 How many false 'interactions with the police' have Flock cameras caused?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:45 AM (ccf/V)

143 Speaking of retarded AWFLs, on LinkedIn the new thing to be outraged about is Sydney Sweeny getting nekkid in ad for some gambling site.

These dullards never learn about the Streisand effect.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:45 AM (8m4AW)

144 "It’s as easy as that for me these days. "

It's early yet. I'm praying that's the most Moron
thing we'll have to read all day. Life really can be Simple.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 16, 2026 11:46 AM (zdLoL)

145 You are delegating your thought and decision-making processes to leftists. Let us know how that turns out for you.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 11:41 AM (dK+Kv)

If Francesca Hong is against it there’s a 99.999% chance the it is good.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:43 AM (8m4AW)

This is reflexively retarded.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 11:46 AM (dK+Kv)

146 https://x.com/Shurikenblaster/
status/2098321595945132076

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:33 AM (gLYp7)

Bad link. Goes to a Twatter signup.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:45 AM (1z8ji)

Not for me.

Don't right-click, open in new tab. Copy the whole thing, then copy in a new tab manually.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:46 AM (gLYp7)

147 141
https://x.com/Shurikenblaster/
status/2098321595945132076

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:33 AM (gLYp7)

Bad link. Goes to a Twatter signup.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:45 AM (1z8ji)

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It worked for me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 16, 2026 11:46 AM (NrFex)

148 I cannot avoid the Flock cameras.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Around here there is never one Flock camera.
There is always more than one camera and the cameras are placed in a manner that the one cannot be approached without the other capturing the image.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 16, 2026 11:46 AM (3oLMy)

149 There, there, you mustn't blame yourself... Oops, never mind. I see that you didn't!

Posted by: t-bird at September 16, 2026 11:43 AM (ASAPZ)

lol

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 11:46 AM (dK+Kv)

150 These dullards never learn about the Streisand effect.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:45 AM (8m4AW)

Yes they have. They want a pretty white girl to be "divisive". Elevating her is not a problem for them, especially as a warning to the next pretty white girl.

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:47 AM (b4tyc)

151 Because of the people who are bitching about Sydney Sweeney, I will support her. It IS that simple, for me.

Posted by: tubal at September 16, 2026 11:47 AM (Gqar8)

152 I don't understand how me answering your question made your point for you but I'm super duper glad I could help. Next time why don't you make your own point.

Posted by: ...

I really don't understand your need to be snarky in a reasoned discussion, but since you can't seem to control it, I'm going to ignore you.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:47 AM (Riz8t)

153 Bad link. Goes to a Twatter signup.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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https://twitterviewer.net

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 16, 2026 11:47 AM (3oLMy)

154 I was under the impression that police in cars can and do routinely run license plates of vehicles in traffic. I'm not saying they make a record of the plate (like FLOCK), but it's different from only running a plate at a traffic stop.

Posted by: JM in Illinois at September 16, 2026 11:47 AM (8O9+I)

155
Bad link. Goes to a Twatter signup.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:45 AM (1z8ji)

The link works for me, but the X Viewer doesn't like it one bit.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:47 AM (ccf/V)

156 Lifelong Democrat' admits she is 'ashamed' of party after son killed in illegal immigrant crash.
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Too bad so sad.
And she’ll still vote Democrat.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:48 AM (8m4AW)

157
https://twitterviewer.net

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 16, 2026 11:47 AM (3oLMy)

It won't display it, for me anyway......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:48 AM (ccf/V)

158 they have. They want a pretty white girl to be "divisive". Elevating her is not a problem for them, especially as a warning to the next pretty white girl.
Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:47 AM (b4tyc)

Meanwhile Sydney is laughing all the way to the bank.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:49 AM (8m4AW)

159 That article was bizarre. You look in the right places you have stories of cops who have cheerfully abused Flock cameras to stalk ex-girlfriends or what not (Baytown PD fired a cop recently over such a thing for example).

American Thinker’s solution: regulate ALPRs. Pray tell, who does the regulating?

The same bunch abusing their powers.

No. Ban Flock cameras, ban ALPRs.

Posted by: Cow Demon at September 16, 2026 11:49 AM (I5xda)

160 It displayed it after I chose "media viewer" on the main page......interesting.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:49 AM (ccf/V)

161
Bad link. Goes to a Twatter signup.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

https://t.ly/KBBhu

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 16, 2026 11:49 AM (Cqx++)

162 Too bad so sad.
And she’ll still vote Democrat.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez

Correct. She enjoys wine o'clock Wednesdays with the hens.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 16, 2026 11:50 AM (GXElQ)

163 then copy in a new tab manually.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung
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Whoa! That's keyboard centricity. ewuuu

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 16, 2026 11:50 AM (3oLMy)

164 Mitch McConnell Appears to Be in Far Worse Shape Than Joe Biden in Disturbing Footage

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I think for a zombie he's doing very well.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:50 AM (ndZc7)

165 If Francesca Hong is against it there’s a 99.999% chance the it is good.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:43 AM (8m4AW)

The only reason the Left is opposed to Flock is that they think it helps ICE round up wetbacks. Full stop.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:51 AM (1z8ji)

166 As I recall Miranda was stabbed to death and his killer was never prosecuted because he fled to Mexico. He didn't commit murder he committed civic improvement

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 16, 2026 11:51 AM (OLZpF)

167 nice analysis CBD

it gets me thinking (uh oh.)

What this is is a step closer to omniscience -- the all knowing god in the sky. Here are the problems
- abuse of the information for non crimes by those with access
- abuse by gov. creating new crimes in emergencies, like covid or global warming. (we are already there.)
- abuse by gov creating so many crimes that everyone is guilty of something (we are already there.)
- shifting from crime prevention to social control (most of the world is already here - social credit, speech restrictions, theocratic control, ...)

And none of the above requires any real leap -- it is the world we are already in and the cameras are just giving the authoritarians and totalitarians a powerful new tool. Why would anyone think that is a good idea?

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 16, 2026 11:51 AM (1W4K+)

168 The only reason the Left is opposed to Flock is that they think it helps ICE round up wetbacks. Full stop.

Interesting.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:52 AM (Riz8t)

169 nice analysis CBD

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 16, 2026 11:51 AM (1W4K+)

Joe Mannix hardest hit.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:52 AM (ccf/V)

170 really don't understand your need to be snarky in a reasoned discussion, but since you can't seem to control it, I'm going to ignore you.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:47 AM (Riz8t)

Next time your question is a "point", make it a fucking statement instead, so others don't waste their time answering you.

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:52 AM (b4tyc)

171 I was under the impression that police in cars can and do routinely run license plates of vehicles in traffic. I'm not saying they make a record of the plate (like FLOCK), but it's different from only running a plate at a traffic stop.

Posted by: JM in Illinois at September 16, 2026 11:47 AM

When we lived in connecticut the cops would run license plate scanners in parking lots. They would cruise the lot scanning plates until they got a hit or they ran out of cars. They would then move on to the next parking lot. It's no different than them looking for stolen cars using the mark I eyeball, they just do it faster with the scanners.

I have not seen them doing that here in Texas.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 16, 2026 11:52 AM (I43vL)

172 it gets me thinking (uh oh.)

This is a site for discussion of current events! There's no thinking here.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:52 AM (Riz8t)

173 The only reason the Left is opposed to Flock is that they think it helps ICE round up wetbacks. Full stop.

Interesting.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:52 AM (Riz8t)

It's the same reason Seattle's Mayor turned off a bunch of security cameras during the World Cup.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:52 AM (gLYp7)

174 Cops have illegally shot people. Do we take away guns from all cops? Same principle if we’re saying abuse by some cops is a reason to get rid of flock.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:53 AM (8m4AW)

175 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flocking_(texture)

Spray on where needed.

Posted by: DaveA at September 16, 2026 11:53 AM (FhXTo)

176 American Thinker’s solution: regulate ALPRs. Pray tell, who does the regulating?
The same bunch abusing their powers.
No. Ban Flock cameras, ban ALPRs.
Posted by: Cow Demon
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American Thinker's writers, by and large, are not heavy hitters.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 16, 2026 11:53 AM (3oLMy)

177 Now explain how that cop's memory is going to reach back seven months ago to that time the white, male subject dropped the N-bomb on a black man to serve as an aggravating factor in the bar fight he just got into with a completely different black man.

Now it's not a simple assault, it's a hate crime and he's going away for fifteen years.

Your cop can't do that, but Flock will absolutely draw connections to things that aren't actually connected.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:44 AM (gLYp7)

And a beat cop who isn’t an asshole but goes out of his way to be good to the people who pay his salary and have no use for breaking the law is a cop who is winning hearts and minds and can use his powers and abilities for good.

Posted by: Cow Demon at September 16, 2026 11:53 AM (I5xda)

178 Not for me.

Don't right-click, open in new tab. Copy the whole thing, then copy in a new tab manually.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:46 AM (gLYp7)

OK, got it. But did Piddington vote for the Leftard? Who won the election?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:53 AM (1z8ji)

179 The left is anti-flock because they're pro-criminal.

The rest of us are anti-flock because we're anti-surveillance state.

It's a weird venn diagram but here we are.

Posted by: ballistic at September 16, 2026 11:54 AM (oqH4h)

180 Joe Mannix hardest hit.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 11:52 AM (ccf/V)

If he starts adding first world art problems with cutesy overblown recipes, I am out.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 11:55 AM (dK+Kv)

181 Nobody would care about Flock if the Law Enforcement assholes didn't abuse the system to monitor ex-wives, etc.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at September 16, 2026 11:55 AM (36x1j)

182 Your cop can't do that, but Flock will absolutely draw connections to things that aren't actually connected.

He actually can to a degree. It's kind of the definition of good police work. His motivation is what determines whether it's a good use of his knowledge of the area he patrols.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:55 AM (Riz8t)

183 Meanwhile Sydney is laughing all the way to the bank.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:49 AM (8m4AW)

She may have the fortitude and security to withstand their assault. The next one may not and that's how the mob works.

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:55 AM (b4tyc)

184 174 Cops have illegally shot people. Do we take away guns from all cops? Same principle if we’re saying abuse by some cops is a reason to get rid of flock.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez
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Those jowls are beginning to sag again and that belly, woof.
Election time is coming and you're not that young girl.
Fasting is good.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 16, 2026 11:55 AM (3oLMy)

185 Speaking of retarded AWFLs, on LinkedIn the new thing to be outraged about is Sydney Sweeny getting nekkid in ad for some gambling site.

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I support nekkid Sydney Sweeny!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:55 AM (ndZc7)

186 David Drake's short story "A Nation Without Walls" in Lacey and his Friends is a panopticon world that is not totally corrupt, and it is in no way a good world to live in.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 16, 2026 11:55 AM (rbvCR)

187 People who think Flock is a good idea are the kind of people who have to have their child murdered by a 3rd worlder before they start to doubt the wisdom of open borders.

The will only learn by the school of experience.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 16, 2026 11:55 AM (1W4K+)

188 174 Cops have illegally shot people. Do we take away guns from all cops? Same principle if we’re saying abuse by some cops is a reason to get rid of flock.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:53 AM (8m4AW)
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You're flailing around for a justification because you've already unzipped your fly when you said that just because people on the left are against something, you're for it. Just stop bro.

Posted by: ballistic at September 16, 2026 11:56 AM (oqH4h)

189 Cops have illegally shot people. Do we take away guns from all cops? Same principle if we’re saying abuse by some cops is a reason to get rid of flock.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:53 AM (8m4AW)

The cops aren't the only ones accessing Flock.

Flock sells your data to anyone for any reason, with or without a warrant. They've been quite open about this.

Their terms of use now state the installer "Grants Flock the “exclusive right to determine and control” how, when, and in what format customer data is accessed," and adds a "perpetual" license for Flock to use customer data to "support and improve" its services, "even after the customer ends the relationship."

They can keep and sell your image and data to anyone at any time for any reason, forever.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 11:56 AM (gLYp7)

190 All you have to do is ask yourself: is there trust that can be broken, power that can be abused? Congratulations, you've found us!

Posted by: The Left at September 16, 2026 11:56 AM (9kGtu)

191 Posted by: ballistic at September 16, 2026 11:54 AM (oqH4h)

But the Left is mercurial. They may be against flock because they have stock in a competing brand.

Posted by: ... at September 16, 2026 11:56 AM (b4tyc)

192 only reason the Left is opposed to Flock is that they think it helps ICE round up wetbacks. Full stop.

Interesting.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:52 AM (Riz8t)

Not just illegals. They don’t like it because it shows their favorite demographics committing a lot of crime. And even worse give the police evidence to go catch them and DAs the ability to convict them.

If flock cameras weren’t effective, the left wouldn’t be opposed to them. It’s because they help prevent crime that the left wants them banned.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:56 AM (8m4AW)

193 Those jowls are beginning to sag again and that belly, woof.
Election time is coming and you're not that young girl.
Fasting is good.

Rumor has it that she's on a GLP-1.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:56 AM (Riz8t)

194 174 Cops have illegally shot people. Do we take away guns from all cops? Same principle if we’re saying abuse by some cops is a reason to get rid of flock.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:53 AM (8m4AW)

You mourn every November 9 because your model society, the GDR, failed.

Not the same. I’m known to TX DPS and the local SO and the Feds. I must be a Boy Scout at all times. You ache for the cops to put the country on 24/7 surveillance. I don’t.

Posted by: Cow Demon at September 16, 2026 11:56 AM (I5xda)

195 Brilliant, well said!

Posted by: YosemiteSatchmo at September 16, 2026 11:56 AM (U3L5y)

196 Another consideration with surveillance systems is this; when an erroneous "hit" on someone is used to issue a ticket or summons, it typically requires the target to prove otherwise.

For example, a license plate with an "8" on it that is confused with a "B". Imagine the mistake leads to thinking the person in question, or the vehicle, is involved in something other than a speeding or parking violation.

The speeding or parking is minor. Yet, if you're compelled to appear in person, your time is consumed with arguing about the validity of the data used to issue the citation in the first place. Not whether it's your fault or not.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 16, 2026 11:57 AM (2Cry5)

197 181 Nobody would care about Flock if the Law Enforcement assholes didn't abuse the system to monitor ex-wives, etc.

Posted by: no one of any consequence
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Or that innocent woman pulled over twice in one day; guns drawn because her car 'resembled' a villains car.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 16, 2026 11:58 AM (3oLMy)

198 Mitch McConnell Appears to Be in Far Worse Shape Than Joe Biden in Disturbing Footage

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I think for a zombie he's doing very well.

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Might be a problem finding brains in congress, though.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:58 AM (ndZc7)

199
Or that innocent woman pulled over twice in one day; guns drawn because her car 'resembled' a villains car.

In my defense, she was hawt.

Posted by: The cop at September 16, 2026 11:58 AM (Riz8t)

200 The left is anti-flock because they're pro-criminal.

The rest of us are anti-flock because we're anti-surveillance state.

It's a weird venn diagram but here we are.

Posted by: ballistic

The real tell is their solution to the problem. If it increases or preserves power for them (and it ALWAYS will), that's the real stance.

Posted by: Brother Tim is tired at September 16, 2026 11:59 AM (OUMaO)

201 If flock cameras weren’t effective, the left wouldn’t be opposed to them. It’s because they help prevent crime that the left wants them banned.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 11:56 AM (8m4AW)

They have said flat out they are mad that their most beloved constituency, illegal immigrants/foreigners, get caught by them.

Just move to Cuba. Or Canada. They’d love to have someone like you who is unfit to be free and is incapable of self-government. (H/t TX Dec of Ind, 1836)

Or maybe you work for Flock and don’t want your ox gored?

Posted by: Cow Demon at September 16, 2026 11:59 AM (I5xda)

202 >And none of the above requires any real leap -- it is the world we are already in and the cameras are just giving the authoritarians and totalitarians a powerful new tool. Why would anyone think that is a good idea?

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 16, 2026 11:51 AM (1W4K+)

Boy, did I call it or what?

Posted by: George Orwell at September 16, 2026 11:59 AM (GTqXr)

203 I have a Federal government friend who was posted overseas to Russia for two years. The Russians followed him every time he left his house. If he tried to lose the tail, they made his life even worse. As it was, he's sure that they search tis house and harassed his dog while he was out of the house.

Constant surveillance is not benign. Governments cannot be trusted.

Posted by: JM in Illinois at September 16, 2026 11:59 AM (8O9+I)

204 He actually can to a degree. It's kind of the definition of good police work. His motivation is what determines whether it's a good use of his knowledge of the area he patrols.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 11:55 AM (Riz8t)

I'm not sure why you're rejecting or overlooking the distinction in scale and immediacy. The cop doesn't have immediate, automated access to every internet database and social media account in the history of ever to inform his choices in the moment.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 12:00 PM (gLYp7)

205 Pieces like these are really easy to write when you're sure that the systems you're writing about will never be used against you.

Posted by: Octochicken at September 16, 2026 12:00 PM (oCS0o)

206 Constant surveillance is not benign. Governments cannot be trusted.

You're at AOSHQ. Those statements are axiomatic.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 12:00 PM (Riz8t)

207 Fuck pop up ads

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at September 16, 2026 12:00 PM (acXfL)

208 Put a Flock camera on Maxine Waters' house.

Posted by: Here's an idea at September 16, 2026 12:01 PM (2Ez/1)

209 Just move to Cuba. Or Canada. They’d love to have someone like you who is unfit to be free and is incapable of self-government. (H/t TX Dec of Ind, 1836)

Or maybe you work for Flock and don’t want your ox gored?
Posted by: Cow Demon

Whoa. Chill dude.
Here I was thinking unlike the left someone can have a different opinion and not be hounded out of the clubhouse.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 12:01 PM (8m4AW)

210 I'm not sure why you're rejecting or overlooking the distinction in scale and immediacy. The cop doesn't have immediate, automated access to every internet database and social media account in the history of ever to inform his choices in the moment.

I'm not at all overlooking that distinction. If you read my earlier comments, you'll see that I'm saying it's going to be necessary to draw lines based on degree, and I'm not sure how that will be done.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 12:01 PM (Riz8t)

211 The Lives Of Others is one of the greatest movies ever.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at September 16, 2026 12:02 PM (2Ez/1)

212 If you've ever seen the great movie, The Lives of Others, imagine that with Flock cameras added.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 16, 2026 12:02 PM (OLZpF)

213 Bill Gates Pledges $1 Billion to Help Make AI a “Great Equalizer” for Rich and Poor

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Well, if you can't trust Bill Gates, who can you trust?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 12:02 PM (ndZc7)

214 -
I support nekkid Sydney Sweeny!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:55 AM (ndZc7)

I DEMAND she hold it against me.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 12:02 PM (ccf/V)

215 Whoa. Chill dude.
Here I was thinking unlike the left someone can have a different opinion and not be hounded out of the clubhouse.

Is exactly what a stinking, closet commie would say.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 12:02 PM (Riz8t)

216 So everyone knows where I'm coming from, I have often felt that license plates on cars are a violation.

In CA they have a law (had?) that you get (I think) 6 months before you have to put a real plate on a car. 6 months of no plate for new cars. So tech billionaires would buy a new car every 6 months to keep their car anonymous. I don't mind cops being able to ID a car ***after**** it is found suspect of a crime (speeding or whatever) but the plates reveal ID *before* hand and that feels like a violation of the 14th. They get around that of course by claiming that driving is a "privilege" and not a right. Fuck them. That may have been true in 19th century but it is now a necessity to live.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 16, 2026 12:04 PM (1W4K+)

217 Bull Gates saying he wants to marry AI a "great equalizer" sounds like he wants it to kill everyone

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 16, 2026 12:04 PM (OLZpF)

218 Brilliant, well said!
Posted by: YosemiteSatchmo at September 16, 2026 11:56 AM (U3L5y)

Thanks!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 12:05 PM (ccf/V)

219 I'm saying it's going to be necessary to draw lines based on degree, and I'm not sure how that will be done.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 12:01 PM (Riz8t)

But that precise point is where we disagree the most strongly.

It isn't messy to say 'giving any person, including (but not necessarily) law enforcement, immediate, automated access to the entire history of any American at any time is wrong.'

Flock was literally designed and is constantly updated to do exactly that and therefore shouldn't be able to operate in the US.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 12:05 PM (gLYp7)

220 Sports books are evil, but unfortunately they are legal. She showed poor judgement in taking their money, but a job is a job.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 16, 2026 11:25 AM (1z8ji)

She is apparently an investor as well, I don't know the details, so her ad is basically "talking her book" (in the stockbroker sense).

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70 I think Ace needs to do a whole thread on the Sydney Sweeney sports-betting ad.
Posted by: Bulg at September 16, 2026 11:25 AM (77rzZ)

Yesterday:
acecomments.mu.nu/?post=421383

Posted by: SciVo at September 16, 2026 12:05 PM (ke3zm)

221 Whoa - guys....

AOSHQ could be cool and groovy if we just treat each other fairly!

Its Joe Mannix! He made a pyramid and put himself on top!

Posted by: Does anyone concur with Boswell? at September 16, 2026 12:05 PM (NTVPI)

222 -
Might be a problem finding brains in congress, though.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 11:58 AM (ndZc7)

Maybe that's why he's never there anymore.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 12:06 PM (ccf/V)

223 Flock was literally designed and is constantly updated to do exactly that and therefore shouldn't be able to operate in the US.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 12:05 PM (gLYp7)

Addendum:

A cop using his brain isn't at all comparable with that same cop using the panopticon.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 12:06 PM (gLYp7)

224 Surely no one here believes that we have not been living in a surveillance state for a long long time. Flock is just the logical progression of that. It will just get even more refined as time goes by. Some people, a lot of people, want security at any price.

Posted by: tubal at September 16, 2026 12:07 PM (Gqar8)

225 But that precise point is where we disagree the most strongly.

It isn't messy to say 'giving any person, including (but not necessarily) law enforcement, immediate, automated access to the entire history of any American at any time is wrong.'

I'm not sure we do disagree. I've NEVER advocated for what you describe in your second sentence. Therefore, the line will have to be drawn somewhere between that and a total abolition of public filming. Other than that, I've taken no position.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 12:07 PM (Riz8t)

226 Let not your heart be troubled.

https://tinyurl.com/y6r74pvb

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 12:07 PM (ndZc7)

227 re Sydney Sweeney. Looking forward to the comments from the Olympic beach volleyball gals.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at September 16, 2026 12:09 PM (OKZIH)

228 54 Tangentially on topic, system abuse:
Better-half once got a ticket from Tucson, our jeep driven by our son got caught by a photo radar trap. The ticket came to her with our son's picture and a copy of her license with the F crossed out an and M hand written. She ignored it, got a subpoena, went to court, the judge says you aren't male throws the ticket out and tells her to pay for the cost of the subpoena. She objects on the grounds it shouldn't have been issued in the first place. The judge attempts charge for additional BS, she stands her ground and judge all waves fees (while the court recorder smirks).

She asked about the original fraud but couldn't get anywhere. sigh.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 16, 2026

I got a ticket in TX from a red light camera. In 2023. Problem is, they were made illegal in 2019 by the TX Legislature.

I got some nasty grams in the mail from a law firm that had me mail the check to the other end of the country of all things, threatening all sorts of nonsense if I didn’t pay an illegally issued ticket. Cool. I mailed them a copy of the TX Transportation Code. Relevant portion highlighted.

Haven’t heard from them since.

Posted by: Cow Demon at September 16, 2026 12:10 PM (I5xda)

229 cops would run license plate scanners in parking lots.

I've seen repo-men with readers on all 4 fenders trolling.

Posted by: DaveA at September 16, 2026 12:10 PM (FhXTo)

230 re Sydney Sweeney. Looking forward to the comments from the Olympic beach volleyball gals.
Posted by: Mr. Barky at September 16, 2026 12:09 PM (OKZIH)

They have nothing were it not for hypocrisy.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 12:10 PM (ccf/V)

231 212 If you've ever seen the great movie, The Lives of Others, imagine that with Flock cameras added.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 16, 2026 12:02 PM (

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Yes it was great, highly recommended, but it didn't seem quite as chilling as really living under surveillance by the Stasi must have been

Posted by: JM in Illinois at September 16, 2026 12:11 PM (8O9+I)

232 From the sidebar.

Have there ever been any professional golfers from Shanksville?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 12:11 PM (ccf/V)

233 Some people, a lot of people, want security at any price.

Posted by: tubal at September 16, 2026 12:07 PM (Gqar

And deserve neither security nor freedom.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 16, 2026 12:11 PM (dK+Kv)

234 Therefore, the line will have to be drawn somewhere between that and a total abolition of public filming.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 12:07 PM (Riz8t)

I am open to some degree of public filming. I expect and accept toll booth cameras, red light cameras, et al. They are there to capture violations as they happen.

What Flock is doing, though, ISN'T just filming. People (generally) wouldn't oppose just filming.

It's constructing complete dossiers on every single person who must - in the course of their daily lives, and without consent - subject themselves to releasing the entirety of that dossier to anyone upon demand.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 12:11 PM (gLYp7)

235 It is axiomatic that if a government program or system can be abused, it will be.
Consider how far in debt the government's credit card program is, Social Security, Welfare, SNAP, etc. It is no different (except perhaps in scale) at the local level. I will bet 100 quatloos that in every city where FLOCK camera exist, some cop and/or local pol is using it to track a spouse, girl/boyfriend, political enemy, etc.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 16, 2026 12:12 PM (2WIwB)

236 My ideal system would have a constantly changing QR code on every car, revealing a crypto key that allows someone with authorization to query the car for ID but only if (a) they know the key, which expires within seconds or minutes, and (b) they have the authorized equipment which is restricted to trained and licensed authorities only to be used with probable cause.

Use of equipment would be audited and cop would have to explain the probable cause for each use. No one in public would be able to ID a car or see license, just the useless qr code.

Of course, AI has mooted this plan as we now can ID cars based on dirt patterns on the fender.

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 16, 2026 12:12 PM (1W4K+)

237 Some people, a lot of people, want security at any price.

Posted by: tubal at September 16, 2026 12:07 PM

Move to China. Problem solved.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 12:12 PM (ccf/V)

238 Nood!

Posted by: Nazdar at September 16, 2026 12:13 PM (NcvvS)

239 All the News That Fit To Print.

NYT Shocking A-HA: Israelis View Themselves As the Victims of the Massacre That Killed 1,200 of Them

https://tinyurl.com/387ddj49

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Where's My Cookie? at September 16, 2026 12:13 PM (ndZc7)

240 Upskirt videos = Bad

Filming your every move because you happened to go outside = Good for society

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 16, 2026 12:13 PM (ccf/V)

241 What Flock is doing, though, ISN'T just filming. People (generally) wouldn't oppose just filming.

It's constructing complete dossiers on every single person who must - in the course of their daily lives, and without consent - subject themselves to releasing the entirety of that dossier to anyone upon demand.

I agree.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 12:14 PM (Riz8t)

242 Has Mitch held a press conference?

Posted by: Why not? at September 16, 2026 12:14 PM (2Ez/1)

243 Whoa. Chill dude.
Here I was thinking unlike the left someone can have a different opinion and not be hounded out of the clubhouse.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 16, 2026 12:01 PM (8m4AW)

I find the Bill of Rights and the Fourth Amendment sacred. I’m not sorry that offends you.

If I speed and the cops pull me over and run my tags, well, that’s on me. For that one moment in time. Until they have probable cause the cops can leave me alone. I can’t understand why that is hard to grasp.

Posted by: Cow Demon at September 16, 2026 12:14 PM (I5xda)

244 Thanks!
Posted by: Sponge

^^^^^

(golf clap)

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 16, 2026 12:15 PM (1W4K+)

245 I agree.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2026 12:14 PM (Riz8t)

I don't think I've ever had a full-blown conversation inside a thread before.

Thanks.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 16, 2026 12:17 PM (gLYp7)

246 Oh shit, I thought this was a CBD post based on content.

Nice analysis Joe not a cop.

I am sorry I messed that up

Also, nood./

Posted by: bob (moron inbobnitus) at September 16, 2026 12:19 PM (1W4K+)

247 Yes it was great, highly recommended, but it didn't seem quite as chilling as really living under surveillance by the Stasi must have been
Posted by: JM in Illinois at September 16, 2026 12:11 PM (8O9+I)

It is my belief that, for a variety of reasons, Erich Mielke's Stasi provided the template for our dystopia. Not just surveillance, but also propaganda, and especially, above all, (there is no appropriate English word for it), the Zersetzung.

I think when the Cold War ended and our intelligence apparatus turned against the home country, they looked at the formidable machine Mielke built and said "we can do this on a scale Erich could only imagine in his wildest dreams."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 16, 2026 12:20 PM (BI5O2)

248 No public cameras is a good idea.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 16, 2026 12:21 PM (3oLMy)

249 Comfort in advocating for these systems simply because "your side is in charge," if that is part of it, is short-sighted and foolish to the point of stupidity because even if it's true - and it isn't, as the last decade thoroughly demonstrates - "your side" will not be in charge forever.

Exactly my argument against the Patriot Act after 9-11. There were a number of folks I know that thought it was a GREAT idea, because Bush was President, but I reminded them if they'd trust it in the hands of a President Hilary Clinton...and if not, it was definitely NOT a good idea.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 16, 2026 12:25 PM (l3cgK)

250 It's like geofencing, where the police can dragnet all the phones used in a fairly large area looking for someone...
That can NEVER be abused, right?

There's a reason we have the 4th and 5th amendments to the Constitution...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 16, 2026 12:28 PM (l3cgK)

251 A routine license plate check begins with a vehicle that is already encountered by an officer. By contrast, ALPR cameras automatically collect the plate information of all vehicles that pass by.

It allows someone to be followed without any sort of limit.

Quite simply, if an individual officer followed someone all day, gathering the information a Flock system can gather, unless the officer was actively investigating said person, the officer would be guilty of harassment and possibly stalking. If a department used several officers, stationed around town, to do the same thing, it would definitely be harassment on the part of the department.

All Flock does is substitute a computer and a bunch of cameras for the harassing officer.

Posted by: GWB at September 16, 2026 12:32 PM (kU0PQ)

252 This is a legitimate concern, and the solution is to adopt rules suited to the scale to which an ALPR system is used.

Talking about "rules" means nothing without a thorough accompaniment of how vigorously those rules are employed and enforced. Every State has robust rules against voter fraud, but without enforcement the fraud goes rampant.

I wholly reject the concept of "no expectation of privacy in public spaces." Unless I am in the act of committing a crime, or it is reasonably inferable that I am going to commit a crime, I have EVERY expectation of privacy in a public space.

The Constitution says that the government cannot take any interest in me without a warrant. We need to return to that standard. Enforceably.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at September 16, 2026 12:37 PM (bufu1)

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