Wednesday Morning Rant

Declining Standards

There are many reasons that naysayers looked at the prospect of state-sponsored "assisted suicide" with everything from trepidation to open horror. These reasons range from the religious to the moral to the pragmatic, but there have been many objectors wherever such notions have been floated. In this country, it's a state-level consideration. In other countries, like Canada, it's national. More states and countries every year enable it, and the naysayers now have the records of places where it has already been done to point to.

One thing that state-sponsored "assisted suicide" has demonstrated is that on this particular topic, the goalposts aren't merely mobile, they have wheels and powerful engines to propel them down the field. Yesterday, Ace posted an ad from Canada, encouraging that country's flavor of euthanasia (called MAID) by extolling the virtues of offing yourself. In his Morning Rant yesterday, CBD mentioned the legal battle over what became Spain's youngest person killed through its euthanasia program.

In Canada, MAID's goalposts have been moving rapidly. It took just five years for Canada to mash down the accelerator on MAID. When passed in 2016, MAID required a 10-day "reflection period" before a person could be eligible. This was repealed for terminal patients in 2021, and they installed a MAID express lane. There is still a waiting period for MAID's "Track 2" participants - which is for those without "forseeable death" - but it can also be waived. From "death as a mercy" to express-lane, state-sponsored killing in five years. Impressive.

But it doesn't stop there for MAID. MAID still doesn't kill citizens suffering only from mental illness. That is changing. It was supposed to change last year, but there was enough objection that it's been deferred until 2027. But they will get there, and open a whole category of people who can be killed by the state. Sure, it requires consent - but as we see reported frequently, MAID is enthusiastically offered to those seeking medical treatment and - unlike many other medical treatments in Canada - MAID acts fast. The slope is slippery indeed.

Colorado also passed its euthanasia law in 2016. Unlike Canada, it took longer to start moving the goalposts. It wasn't until 2024 that they cut the waiting period in half and added a waiver process to skip the waiting period if the prescriber thinks death is imminent. That same year, Colorado also expanded who can prescribe the drugs to include Advanced Practice Registered Nurses in addition to doctors. This latter change was made specifically to cover doctor-scarce rural areas. Vermont passed its euthanasia law in 2013 and also took longer to start moving the goalposts. In 2022 they "expanded access" by eliminating one of the two waiting periods, allowing remote diagnosis ("telemedicine") and opening eligibility to non-residents. In neither state is it available for mental illness, nor can the doctor administer the drugs - but I will be surprised if it takes more than five years to get there under the banner of "expanded access." After all, neither state made it even a decade before hitting the accelerator.

Then there is Spain. Spain was comparatively late to the party, not legalizing state-sponsored euthanasia until 2021. Spain does still have a waiting period, but also permits it for mental illness. That permission is not explicit, but it is nonetheless permitted. A mere three years after the law's passage, the Spanish parliament attempted to make it explicitly permitted. The attempt failed - probably because it wasn't necessary - but many in Spanish government wanted to make it very clear that they will help you off yourself for mental illness. They learned from their forbears to be expansive, but wanted to make it explicitly expansive just in case they can help shuffle more people into the grave by doing so.

The reason I looked into this further is the same case that CBD discussed yesterday. In that case, a mentally-ill young woman named Noelia Castillo Ramos became the youngest person in Spain to die by assisted suicide, and it was for mental illness that was exacerbated by sexual assault. Her family sued to prevent it, citing mental incompetence. The court ruled that she was competent, and so it proceeded. That makes sense as far is it goes, but I was curious as to why the lawsuit was about competence rather than diagnosis, why the argument was that Ramos couldn't make that choice, rather than because it was for a non-terminal illness. That is when I learned that it needn't be for a terminal - or even physical - illness in Spain. Competence was the only avenue available to fight it.

The press and politicians happily ignored those who objected to these laws. The press wrote off the moral and religious objectors as atavistic cranks, and declared that the pragmatic objectors were arguing in bad faith. The pragmatic objectors to state-sponsored euthanasia are perhaps the most interesting, because they feared exactly this ratcheting expansion even if they didn't have moral or religious objections to the idea of a "mercy killing." The pragmatists were proven correct as everywhere such laws have been implemented, the requirements are subsequently loosened. Wait less. Make diagnosis easier and faster. Expand the list of eligible conditions. Once permitted at all, the steady march toward expansion, acceleration, popularization or - G-d forbid - a mandate immediately began.

Encouraging citizens to die is too great a temptation for the state. Once that door has been opened, it not only can never close, it can only open wider. Whether through misplaced empathy, financial considerations or simple malice, the standards and restrictions always decline and - like abortion - what started as "safe, legal and rare" becomes the heavily-encouraged first choice.

Also, I hope that our Jewish Hordelings have a good Pesach (which begins tonight) and that our Christian Hordelings have a blessed Good Friday and a happy Easter!

Posted by: Joe Mannix at 11:00 AM

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1 rst

Posted by: Reforger at April 01, 2026 11:02 AM (7WnOb)

2 Monkey

Posted by: It's me donna at April 01, 2026 11:03 AM (eANu3)

3 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)

4 Nooded.

Posted by: Nazdar at April 01, 2026 11:03 AM (NcvvS)

5 In other countries, like Canada, it's national. More states and countries every year enable it, and the naysayers now have the records of places where it has already been done to point to.

Canada has euthanized more than it lost in WWII.

That's evil and disgusting.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

6 Dystopian

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:04 AM (Suwql)

7 Decline of hope.

Predatory.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:04 AM (bss/y)

8 It's murder by numbers
1 2 3
It's as easy to learn
as your A B C

Posted by: gKWVE at April 01, 2026 11:04 AM (yYROg)

9 Canada has euthanized more than it lost in WWII.

I suppose it accelerates the great replacement; the one that doesn't exist.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:05 AM (Riz8t)

10 In my earlier years I didn't really buy much into the idea that we're in an existential struggle against pure evil, but I'm coming around.

Posted by: ballistic at April 01, 2026 11:06 AM (oqH4h)

11 In the workplace, there's a particularly nasty strategy of making people so miserable they quit, rather than forcing their employer to fire them. It happened to me just last year.

I could absolutely see the State deliberately making peoples' lives so miserable they decide to take advantage of the State's off-ramp from life.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 01, 2026 11:07 AM (ESVrU)

12 That poor young lady. My heart breaks.

Posted by: Reforger at April 01, 2026 11:07 AM (7WnOb)

13
I suppose it accelerates the great replacement; the one that doesn't exist.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:05 AM (Riz8t)

The goal. No government assisted olds and imported voters. POWER to the GOVERNMENT, f*ck the people.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:08 AM (Zz0t1)

14 Suicide of western civilization.

Medically assisted suicide.

Makes sense.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Damn It Feels Good to Be a Trumpster! at April 01, 2026 11:08 AM (ndZc7)

15 Canada has euthanized more than it lost in WWII.

I suppose it accelerates the great replacement; the one that doesn't exist.
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I bet the statistics are overwhelmingly white in regards to those signing up to be offed. White guilt is very popular, particularly among those on the left.

Posted by: Crusader at April 01, 2026 11:08 AM (TN0g+)

16 I have back pain. Were I to go to the Dr. in Canada, they would immediately recommend assisted self-termination.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:08 AM (Zz0t1)

17 ballistic, I used to roll my eyes at the Police when they were singing about how "murder is the sport of the elected" in 1983. It was unelected dictators and Soviet commissars doing the murdering!!
Now I see Sting as a prophet.
Kind of like with "Russians".

Posted by: gKWVE at April 01, 2026 11:09 AM (yYROg)

18 White guilt is very popular, particularly among those on the left.
Posted by: Crusader at April 01, 2026 11:08 AM (TN0g+)

I'm OK with that, really.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)

19 I don’t know whether we’re going to ultimately beat the ‘Rats in this country.

But if we do, the first thing we should do is step on Canada like a bug.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 01, 2026 11:09 AM (jbnUc)

20 10 In my earlier years I didn't really buy much into the idea that we're in an existential struggle against pure evil, but I'm coming around.
Posted by: ballistic at April 01, 2026 11:06 AM (oqH4h)

This.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:09 AM (bss/y)

21 Then there are the involuntary programs: Liverpool Care Pathway (discontinued, IIRC) and Groningen Protocol.

In both programs, doctors could prescribe death by removal of all assistance, including food and water, without the family's awareness or consent.

With LCP, it was the doctors that finally revolted. The program was set up with participation goals and bonuses to hospitals that exceeded goals. Hospital administrators were harassing doctors, telling them to kill more and more patients to reap the financial rewards. They were essentially killing senior patients who were annoying, without family to protect them, and those with mental disabilities.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:10 AM (Suwql)

22 When do we get in on this?

Posted by: The Soylent Corp. at April 01, 2026 11:10 AM (JkO4W)

23 CAROUSEL!

Posted by: gKWVE at April 01, 2026 11:10 AM (yYROg)

24 Canada's MAID is like a US military induction center.

Sorry. You signed on the dotted line. No going back.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 11:10 AM (sUjod)

25 God is not entertained.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:11 AM (Zz0t1)

26 Ask yourself, Canada - why do you need a cutesy acronym like MAID if what it is is morally just?

Posted by: Cow Demon at April 01, 2026 11:11 AM (nqStX)

27
Make
An
Idiotic
Decision

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:11 AM (Zz0t1)

28 CO... added a waiver process to skip the waiting period if the prescriber thinks death is imminent.

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"How dare G-d think he can kill this guy before we can? Who does that guy think he is?! He's not even gay!"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 01, 2026 11:12 AM (BI5O2)

29 When do we get in on this?
Posted by: The Soylent Corp.
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We should talk!

Posted by: Sensient Technologies Corporation at April 01, 2026 11:12 AM (TN0g+)

30 "How dare G-d think he can kill this guy before we can? Who does that guy think he is?! He's not even gay!"
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 01, 2026 11:12 AM (BI5O2)

But, they told me Jesus was trans......or was it non binary.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:13 AM (Zz0t1)

31 It is a small step from pre-death application for "assisted suicide" to post-death application. But I'm sure the government monitors that closely and would never allow people to be put to death against their will. Right, UK?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 01, 2026 11:13 AM (ExV1e)

32 >>Medically assisted suicide.

How much of it is really suicide?
When the state controls what medical treatment is available to you, such as in Canada and the UK, they can essentially tell you your only treatment they will approve is MAID.

As with the trans movement, I would imagine a good portion of these participants are vulnerable people being preyed upon by ghouls.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:13 AM (Suwql)

33 It's murder by numbers
1 2 3
It's as easy to learn
as your A B C
Posted by: gKWVE
_______

They would kill me for a cigarette
But I dont even want to die just yet

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 01, 2026 11:13 AM (XvL8K)

34 22 When do we get in on this?
Posted by: The Soylent Corp. at April 01, 2026 11:10 AM (JkO4W)

This was hilarious when I first saw it. Also kind of intriguing- a meal replacement that offers all the nutritional benefits. Kind of 'eating in pill form' like from In the Year 2525.

The reports of the massive colonic blowouts people reported were also hilarious.

BUT, it gets less funny the more time goes by.

https://soylent.com/

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:13 AM (bss/y)

35 I still think assisted suicide for the clinically insane, of which there are plenty of candidates roaming our streets, is a viable alternative to letting them loose on the public. There's a raft of seriously depressed, manic leftists unhappy with their lot in life. Here's an alternative to moving to Canada or Scotland or wherever if you're so unhappy with life in America under Trump.

Just end it. We'll all thank you later.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 01, 2026 11:14 AM (AkEZC)

36 Canada's MAID is like a US military induction center.

Sorry. You signed on the dotted line. No going back.
Posted by: rickb223

Well, they've already re-homed your organs. You can't change your mind and keep them.

Posted by: mikeski at April 01, 2026 11:14 AM (Fi4Tu)

37 >>CO... added a waiver process to skip the waiting period if the prescriber thinks death is imminent.

Just noting this subtle but widespread change in language form "doctor" to "prescriber."

I see that a lot in pharma ads nowadays.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:14 AM (Suwql)

38 Canada is going to be at "Logan's Run" levels in no time.

Unfortunately, the US blue states will probably be there too in the next decade. Red State Run will be the new title.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 01, 2026 11:15 AM (n5tGW)

39 Involuntary Organ Harvesting is here.

Because this was always going to lead to that.

"Your Organs have been promised to someone important. Time to die."

Posted by: XTC at April 01, 2026 11:15 AM (uEmCf)

40 I also see this as a natural outgrowth of the trans insanity. Lifetime decisions made in a moment of weakness or delusion.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:15 AM (bss/y)

41 >11 In the workplace, there's a particularly nasty strategy of making people so miserable they quit, rather than forcing their employer to fire them.

+++
I just need my red stapler...

Posted by: Milton at April 01, 2026 11:15 AM (2Ez/1)

42 35
‘ There's a raft of seriously depressed, manic leftists unhappy with their lot in life.’

I too support self termination for leftists.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 01, 2026 11:16 AM (jbnUc)

43 BUT, it gets less funny the more time goes by.

https://soylent.com/
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:13 AM (bss/y)
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It was supposed to be a fucking warning!!!

Posted by: zombie Harry Harrison at April 01, 2026 11:16 AM (+DAqq)

44 "Your Organs have been promised to someone important. Time to die."

https://youtu.be/b-EdiXP87uE

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 01, 2026 11:16 AM (ExV1e)

45 38 Canada is going to be at "Logan's Run" levels in no time.

Unfortunately, the US blue states will probably be there too in the next decade. Red State Run will be the new title.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 01, 2026 11:15 AM (n5tGW)

A former friend of mine (former because he went full commie) was saying in 2010 that he was in support of The State killing people in order to harvest their organs.

That was the last time I ever spoke to him.

Posted by: XTC at April 01, 2026 11:16 AM (uEmCf)

46 In the workplace, there's a particularly nasty strategy of making people so miserable they quit, rather than forcing their employer to fire them.

This strategy has been recommended here many times as a way of getting Feds to quit. Wanna work for USDA? Move to our new HQ in Bumf*** North Dakota.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:17 AM (Riz8t)

47 40 I also see this as a natural outgrowth of the trans insanity. Lifetime decisions made in a moment of weakness or delusion.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:15 AM (bss/y)

If anything, trooning out will protect you from that by making your organs unusable.

Posted by: XTC at April 01, 2026 11:17 AM (uEmCf)

48 "Your Organs have been promised to someone important. Time to die."

https://youtu.be/b-EdiXP87uE
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 01, 2026 11:16 AM (ExV1e)

"Better listen to him. He's in pre-med."

.....with a zero point zero.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:18 AM (Zz0t1)

49 A former friend of mine (former because he went full commie) was saying in 2010 that he was in support of The State killing people in order to harvest their organs.

That was the last time I ever spoke to him.
Posted by: XTC at April 01, 2026 11:16 AM (uEmCf)

I'd have responded with, "Those are some might nice kidneys you got there, pardner."

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 01, 2026 11:18 AM (ExV1e)

50 Make
An
Idiotic
Decision
Posted by: Sponge

I make lots of Idiotic decisions. "Irreversible" is the problem.

Posted by: mikeski at April 01, 2026 11:18 AM (Fi4Tu)

51 A former friend of mine (former because he went full commie) was saying in 2010 that he was in support of The State killing people in order to harvest their organs.

That was the last time I ever spoke to him.

Was he eying your liver?

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:18 AM (Riz8t)

52 I thought Bumf*** was in northern Georgia.

Posted by: purty mouth at April 01, 2026 11:18 AM (yYROg)

53 Point to ponder: Assisted Suicide is inextricably linked to the death penalty.
The State is killing someone, albeit one is presumed innocent, the other found guilty of their crimes by their peers.

Interestingly enough -- there is no problem getting the drugs for someone to punch their own clock, but getting drugs to administer in a death penalty execution is......difficult.

I presume those who are all in on assisted suicide -are OK with the death penalty?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 01, 2026 11:18 AM (N39Ws)

54
A former friend of mine (former because he went full commie) was saying in 2010 that he was in support of The State killing people in order to harvest their organs.

That was the last time I ever spoke to him.
Posted by: XTC at April 01, 2026 11:16 AM (uEmCf)

Shoulda killed him and ate his liver.

He asked for it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:18 AM (Zz0t1)

55 52 I thought Bumf*** was in northern Georgia.
Posted by: purty mouth at April 01, 2026 11:18 AM (yYROg)

San Francisco.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 01, 2026 11:19 AM (N39Ws)

56 Nobody watches the classics these days. Charlton Heston assisted with detailing so many morality conundrums...it's like he had ESPN way back then.

Posted by: dandydon at April 01, 2026 11:19 AM (saTlL)

57 >Just noting this subtle but widespread change in language form "doctor" to "prescriber."

I see that a lot in pharma ads nowadays.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:14 AM (Suwql)

Physician Assistants (PAs) and Nurse Practitioners (NPs) are filling the gap because there is a dearth of primary care docs. Both can write scripts and depending on the state, may not require a supervising physician.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at April 01, 2026 11:19 AM (NgqoH)

58 I make lots of Idiotic decisions. "Irreversible" is the problem.
Posted by: mikeski at April 01, 2026 11:18 AM (Fi4Tu)

This.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:19 AM (bss/y)

59 I also see this as a natural outgrowth of the trans insanity. Lifetime decisions made in a moment of weakness or delusion.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:15 AM (bss/y)
______

Yea, and also decisions that you are pressured to make. Announce you're trans and you get feted and saluted. These are already vulnerable, depressed, and mentally-ill people. They are being preyed upon in a ruthless manner, and probably 40% of even the USA cheers it on.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at April 01, 2026 11:19 AM (iFTx/)

60
Shoulda killed him and ate his liver.

He asked for it.

Maybe XTC doesn't like fava beans or chianti.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:19 AM (Riz8t)

61
Maybe XTC doesn't like fava beans or chianti.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:19 AM (Riz8t)

Valid.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

62 Say, I have a question about U.S. Senate parliamentary procedure. I know that there are a lot of things about it that are mere convention, not a mandatory rule, like the "blue slip" approval for nominees in a Senator's state. I think the President pro tem is another one, and Majority Leader Thune apparently just let the Senate go on two-week vacation. So.

As the Constitutional President of the Senate, could Vice-President Vance force the Senate into formal recess, when they don't have a physical quorum present to prevent him? They've been doing some cutesy formal nominal sessions to prevent President Trump from being able to make recess appointments the way every other President has been able to do, and I'm wondering if it's mere courtesy that is keeping the Administration from forcing the issue, or if the President pro tem actually has that much formal power somehow.

Posted by: SciVo at April 01, 2026 11:20 AM (Sy6m/)

63 Canada's MAID is like a US military induction center.

Sorry. You signed on the dotted line. No going back.
Posted by: rickb223

Welcome to the Hotel Canafornia!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Damn It Feels Good to Be a Trumpster! at April 01, 2026 11:20 AM (ndZc7)

64 >>Both can write scripts and depending on the state, may not require a supervising physician.

Which is scary.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:20 AM (Suwql)

65 Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:14 AM (Suwql)

What is that trying to accommodate or manipulate do you think?

Posted by: ... at April 01, 2026 11:20 AM (DWX+q)

66 54 Shoulda killed him and ate his liver.

He asked for it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:18 AM (Zz0t1)

I didn't have any fava beans.

thp-thp-thp-thp-thp.

Posted by: XTC at April 01, 2026 11:20 AM (uEmCf)

67 When I die you can cut me up
and take all that you need
but I pitty the poor damn fool
who gets my bleeding spleen

Posted by: Reforger at April 01, 2026 11:20 AM (7WnOb)

68 Canada is going to be at "Logan's Run" levels in no time.

Useless trivia: Logan's Run was partly filmed in Ft. Worth at the Water Gardens outdoor waterfall.
And two other locations around DFW.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 11:21 AM (sUjod)

69 Yea, and also decisions that you are pressured to make. Announce you're trans and you get feted and saluted. These are already vulnerable, depressed, and mentally-ill people. They are being preyed upon in a ruthless manner, and probably 40% of even the USA cheers it on.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at April 01, 2026 11:19 AM (iFTx/)

This.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:21 AM (bss/y)

70 This is OT, but it is interesting. Geert Wilders has announced on twitter that the Dutch Prime Minister Jetten has contacted him to transfer the Premiership to Wilders -- This is kind of big it it happens.

Prime Minister Jetten just called me.

He said he had severely underestimated the demands of the premiership and greatly overestimated the confidence of his coalition partners. He no longer had confidence in his own cabinet. I told him I appreciated his honesty.

Since our parties had won an equal number of seats in the elections, Mr. Jetten indicated that he wished to transfer the premiership to me.

We will go together to the King at 12:00 p.m. to formalize the transfer.

Tomorrow I will enact emergency state law, close the borders to all asylum seekers, and make preparations for a large-scale repatriation of Syrians and others back to their home countries. Asylum centers can close, the coercive law will be repealed, our homes will belong to us again, and with the money saved, we will immediately lower the excise taxes on gasoline and diesel.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

Posted by: Kindltot at April 01, 2026 11:21 AM (rbvCR)

71 Shoulda killed him and ate his liver.

He asked for it.

Maybe XTC doesn't like fava beans or chianti.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:19 AM (Riz8t)

Liver and Wild Irish Rose?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:21 AM (bss/y)

72 This is what happens when humans have no divinely endowed intrinsic value. They become means rather than ends, conduits for money and power at best, chattel and raw materials to be harvested at worst.

It comes for us all. Be ready.

Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at April 01, 2026 11:21 AM (OUMaO)

73 I'd have responded with, "Those are some might nice kidneys you got there, pardner."
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

I might have called him "old bean". Those organs are smashing in a pie, wot.

Posted by: purty mouth at April 01, 2026 11:22 AM (yYROg)

74 Please don't bury me
Down in the cold, cold ground
I'd rather have 'em cut me up
And pass me all around

Throw my brain in a hurricane
And the blind can have my eyes
The deaf can have both of my ears
If they don't mind the size

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:22 AM (Riz8t)

75
As the Constitutional President of the Senate, could Vice-President Vance force the Senate into formal recess, when they don't have a physical quorum present to prevent him? They've been doing some cutesy formal nominal sessions to prevent President Trump from being able to make recess appointments the way every other President has been able to do, and I'm wondering if it's mere courtesy that is keeping the Administration from forcing the issue, or if the President pro tem actually has that much formal power somehow.
Posted by: SciVo at April 01, 2026 11:20 AM (Sy6m/)

No!

Posted by: Lord God King Boasberg at April 01, 2026 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)

76 >>>Canada is going to be at "Logan's Run" levels in no time.

I know, right?

Posted by: Kindltot - Renew, eh? Beauty. at April 01, 2026 11:22 AM (rbvCR)

77 Nobody watches the classics these days. Charlton Heston assisted with detailing so many morality conundrums...it's like he had ESPN way back then.
Posted by: dandydon at April 01, 2026 11:19 AM (saTlL)
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Well, we could strap his dead body to a horse...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 01, 2026 11:22 AM (+DAqq)

78 Can we add people to the death panel punch list?

Because I have a few select names to add. Whom is OPSEC. But not my friends and members in good standing of the Horde.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 01, 2026 11:23 AM (u82oZ)

79 Both can write scripts and depending on the state, may not require a supervising physician.

Which is scary.

Yes it is. I assume, however, that this will soon be one of the areas taken over by AI.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:24 AM (Riz8t)

80 While I support the idea of not allowing terminally ill people to suffer, I can't accept that MAID had any good intentions in the first place.

Posted by: NR Pax at April 01, 2026 11:24 AM (jjoN6)

81 Posted by: Kindltot at April 01, 2026 11:21 AM (rbvCR)
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Whoa.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 01, 2026 11:24 AM (+DAqq)

82 Can we add people to the death panel punch list?

Because I have a few select names to add. Whom is OPSEC. But not my friends and members in good standing of the Horde.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 01, 2026 11:23 AM (u82oZ)

Eyes laminated membership card.

This isn't gonna get me into trouble, is it?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 01, 2026 11:24 AM (ExV1e)

83 67
‘ When I die you can cut me up
and take all that you need
…’

Is this a poem? It looks like iambic poetry in pentameter.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 01, 2026 11:25 AM (jbnUc)

84 Ok. Imma go stretch my back.

Hopefully I can move to get off the rack when done.

Pray for me..........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:25 AM (Zz0t1)

85 You know who else killed the mentally ill and undesireables......

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at April 01, 2026 11:25 AM (NcBRt)

86 I see that a lot in pharma ads nowadays.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:14 AM (Suwql)

It’s simply too hard to use big words like “doctor”. So we have to say

Health care professional
Prescriber
Health care provider
Or, my favorite: provider

Doctor or physician are just TOO HARD.

Posted by: Cow Demon at April 01, 2026 11:25 AM (nqStX)

87 This is what happens when humans have no divinely endowed intrinsic value.

Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at April 01, 2026 11:21 AM (OUMaO)

Communism specifically rejects that intrinsic value, and it is glaringly obvious that the end result is mass death.

Always.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 01, 2026 11:25 AM (n9ltV)

88 Physician Assistants (PAs) and Nurse Practitioners (NPs) are filling the gap because there is a dearth of primary care docs.

Both can write scripts and depending on the state, may not require a supervising physician.
Posted by: Heavy Meta

I know they can in Texas. But I'm not sure about controlled substances. PA wrote my Wegovy. Dr. wrote my pain pills for kidney stones.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 11:25 AM (sUjod)

89 The death of 11-year-old Alireza Jafari, the first known child recruit killed during the Iran war, underscores what rights advocates describe as a governing doctrine that places regime survival above civilian protection amid mounting wartime pressure. Jafari, a fifth-grade student, was killed at a military checkpoint in Tehran during US and Israeli airstrikes targeting military sites, according to Hengaw, a Norway-based Kurdish human rights organization that monitors abuses in Iran.

... this is what happens when your omnipotent god needs mere mortal flawed morons to help it.

File under: "Why does God need a starship?" -- "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier"

Posted by: SMOD at April 01, 2026 11:25 AM (RHGPo)

90 Can we add people to the death panel punch list?

Because I have a few select names to add. Whom is OPSEC. But not my friends and members in good standing of the Horde.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 01, 2026 11:23 AM (u82oZ)
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*hurriedly checks Horde Standing Ratings*

*shakily passes hand across brow*

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 01, 2026 11:25 AM (+DAqq)

91 I was assured death panels was a right wing conspiracy theory. Was the left lying? Shocking if true.

Posted by: Heroq at April 01, 2026 11:26 AM (IlFr/)

92 This is what happens when humans have no divinely endowed intrinsic value. They become means rather than ends, conduits for money and power at best, chattel and raw materials to be harvested at worst.

It comes for us all. Be ready.
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum

+1

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Damn It Feels Good to Be a Trumpster! at April 01, 2026 11:26 AM (ndZc7)

93 I got my very first "you're old now so let me try to scam you call" just now. I feel like a real grown-up, and I've turned "silence unknown callers" back on.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 01, 2026 11:26 AM (ExV1e)

94 Is this a poem? It looks like iambic poetry in pentameter.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 01, 2026 11:25 AM

Spleen Merchant by Clutch

Posted by: Reforger at April 01, 2026 11:26 AM (7WnOb)

95 85 You know who else killed the mentally ill and undesireables......

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at April 01, 2026 11:25 AM (NcBRt)

It's been a technocratic wet dream for a long time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:26 AM (bss/y)

96 But not my friends and members in good standing of the Horde.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 01, 2026 11:23 AM (u82oZ)

Uh oh......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:26 AM (Zz0t1)

97 >
Shoulda killed him and ate his liver.

He asked for it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:18 AM (Zz0t1)

Newsletter.

Posted by: Liver-Eating Johnson at April 01, 2026 11:27 AM (IG3/x)

98 Also, how long will it be before the usual suspects start screaming that the race ratio of those being killed is not in line with anti colonization and exhibits wyte supremery .

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at April 01, 2026 11:27 AM (NcBRt)

99
Tan me hide, when I'm dead, Fred
tan me hide when I'm dead

Posted by: Don Black at April 01, 2026 11:27 AM (ZxPkt)

100 91 I was assured death panels was a right wing conspiracy theory. Was the left lying? Shocking if true.
Posted by: Heroq at April 01, 2026 11:26 AM (IlFr/)

Not even really tribunals though. Like you make a phone call and get routed to an automated menu.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:27 AM (bss/y)

101 While I support the idea of not allowing terminally ill people to suffer, I can't accept that MAID had any good intentions in the first place.

Posted by: NR Pax at April 01, 2026 11:24 AM (jjoN6)

"Not allowing?"

It is the inviolable choice of the individual to decide...it cannot be ceded to anyone else.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 01, 2026 11:27 AM (n9ltV)

102 Tomorrow I will enact emergency state law, close the borders to all asylum seekers, and make preparations for a large-scale repatriation of Syrians and others back to their home countries. Asylum centers can close, the coercive law will be repealed, our homes will belong to us again, and with the money saved, we will immediately lower the excise taxes on gasoline and diesel.

Interesting. I'm sensing a trend.

Germany’s Friedrich Merz Plans to Repatriate Nearly One Million Syrian Migrants

https://is.gd/DoEqU2

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:27 AM (Riz8t)

103 SCOTUS so far hasn't sounded great. Roberts and others have sounded skeptical of Trump's position, and have raked Sauer over the coals.

Maybe they'll be just as aggressive with the other side and I'll feel better.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at April 01, 2026 11:28 AM (JCZqz)

104 96 But not my friends and members in good standing of the Horde.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 01, 2026 11:23 AM (u82oZ)

Uh oh......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:26 AM (Zz0t1)

The 'in good standing' part is key, I'd agree.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:28 AM (bss/y)

105 >>What is that trying to accommodate or manipulate do you think?

Physician Assistants (PAs) and Nurse Practitioners (NPs) are filling the gap because there is a dearth of primary care docs.. .

First, the number of medical students is limited. Allow more med students instead of allowing people who have fewer years of training fill in for doctors*.

It allows med to be prescribed more freely and remotely (see ads for 1-800 diet and erectile dysfunction meds), which helps Pharmaceuticals.

I should note my bias: my husband's cancer was misdiagnosed for up to a year because the nurse practitioner kept guessing different things for his symptoms at each visit. In retrospect, she was clearly unsupervised.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:28 AM (Suwql)

106 Germany’s Friedrich Merz Plans to Repatriate Nearly One Million Syrian Migrants
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Ethel's been on him about this.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 01, 2026 11:29 AM (+DAqq)

107 101 While I support the idea of not allowing terminally ill people to suffer, I can't accept that MAID had any good intentions in the first place.

Posted by: NR Pax at April 01, 2026 11:24 AM (jjoN6)

"Not allowing?"

It is the inviolable choice of the individual to decide...it cannot be ceded to anyone else.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 01, 2026 11:27 AM (n9ltV)

Remember Terri Schiavo?

This is where I parted ways from Derbyshire. Fuck you you, brit cunt. No life is 'worthless' and her husband was just looking for the quick, easy fix. And he got it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:30 AM (bss/y)

108 I am happy places like canada have state assisted end of life programs.

Most left leaning loons and other weirdos will take advantage of these programs.

I may want to work at one to ensure they get a quick send off. Would not want them to have to wait too long.

Posted by: Taking The Garbage Out at April 01, 2026 11:30 AM (d+TZW)

109 Like everything else, follow the money. There are many people making big bux from this. Just like there are people making big bux from the tranny surgery lunacy.

It’s always about the Benjamins. Or whatever is on Canuck money. Is it still QE2 or did they get King Chuck on the bills?

Posted by: Heroq at April 01, 2026 11:30 AM (IlFr/)

110 >>This is what happens when humans have no divinely endowed intrinsic value. They become means rather than ends, conduits for money and power at best, chattel and raw materials to be harvested at worst.

It comes for us all. Be ready.

So much THIS!

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:31 AM (Suwql)

111 Or whatever is on Canuck money.
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Loons.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 01, 2026 11:31 AM (+DAqq)

112 Robert Hugh Benson predicted this in his 1907 dystopian novel, Lord of the World.

Scary how much of current technology and society he got right. And in his book, it ushered in the anti-Christ.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher, phoning it in at April 01, 2026 11:31 AM (k4EKw)

113 So many examples of people in chronic pain needing pain meds, but being offered maid more enthusiastically the pain meds.

Won't be long before someone needing a surgery is told the wait time for surgery is longer than life expectancy, we can offer you maid today!!!

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at April 01, 2026 11:31 AM (NcBRt)

114 The politics of Merz's call for repatriation is interesting.

According to Reuters, “Merz's coalition government imposed tougher controls ‌when ⁠it took power last year, as support for the anti-immigration AfD party surged in the wake of former Chancellor Angela Merkel's decision to admit around 1 million asylum seekers from countries including Syria and Afghanistan.

Roderich Kiesewetter of the CDU (Christian Democrats), which is Merz’s own political party, told the national German Handelsblatt news site that Merz made a politically “unwise” decision to get out ahead on this issue and make such statements if he can’t deliver when all is said and done.

If Merz fails, Kiesewetter said, other parties, like the Alternative for Germany (AfD), will likely take advantage.

Anke Rehlinger is from Germany’s Social Democrat (SPD) party and is premier of Germany’s Saarland state. She told Funke Media Gruppe that “putting forward specific figures with specific timeframes” is a way of setting yourself up to fail. Rehlinger also said that a large number of Syrians are now playing a key role in the German economy. ”

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:32 AM (Riz8t)

115 This a lot of fuss over little old us. After all, we're your biggest National Park.

Posted by: Canadia at April 01, 2026 11:32 AM (2Ez/1)

116 113 So many examples of people in chronic pain needing pain meds, but being offered maid more enthusiastically the pain meds.

Won't be long before someone needing a surgery is told the wait time for surgery is longer than life expectancy, we can offer you maid today!!!
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at April 01, 2026 11:31 AM (NcBRt)

Yeah! Better they are dead than addicted to Oxycodone!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:32 AM (bss/y)

117 Well, it's not all bad news.

Tiger Woods Awarded Honorary California CDL

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From the Bee.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Damn It Feels Good to Be a Trumpster! at April 01, 2026 11:33 AM (ndZc7)

118 It is the inviolable choice of the individual to decide...it cannot be ceded to anyone else.

As long as it's their choice I have no issues with it. The problem I am having is that we are seeing in real time how it goes from "This is an option for you" to "This is your only option."

Posted by: NR Pax at April 01, 2026 11:33 AM (jjoN6)

119 As long as it's their choice I have no issues with it. The problem I am having is that we are seeing in real time how it goes from "This is an option for you" to "This is your only option."

It's probably not quite that clearcut. There are many ways to steer people to a desired destination without explicitly telling them to FOAD.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:34 AM (Riz8t)

120 94
‘ Spleen Merchant by Clutch’
Ah. A song. Nice.

Maybe it can be the Canadian national anthem.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 01, 2026 11:34 AM (jbnUc)

121 Yesterday, Ace posted an ad from Canada, encouraging that country's flavor of euthanasia (called MAID) by extolling the virtues of offing yourself.
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1. "Life is meaningless and you don't have free will, anyway."

2. "Not all of us can be Chads, so you can cease striving."

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 11:34 AM (Q4cxx)

122 >>As long as it's their choice I have no issues with it. The problem I am having is that we are seeing in real time how it goes from "This is an option for you" to "This is your only option."

Yup.
Read "Nudge" by Cass Sunstein. They have been perfecting methods for leading us into making the "right" choice for years.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:35 AM (Suwql)

123 >The problem I am having is that we are seeing in real time how it goes from "This is an option for you" to "This is your only option."

++++
Like me?

Posted by: COVID 19 jabs at April 01, 2026 11:35 AM (2Ez/1)

124 I remember when Grandma was diagnosed with Pancreatic cancer. Mom went to stay with her down in El Paso. Grandma had a will like iron. When the pain started to get really bad, the doctor prescribed morphine patches. She told Mom she did not want to use them because she did not want to get addicted. Mom asked what it mattered now (she was terminal.) I did not understand then and agreed with Mom.

I understand a lot more what Grandma thought at the time. That kind of decision is one in which you are giving up. You are essentially surrendering to death but still walking and talking.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:36 AM (bss/y)

125 Read "Nudge" by Cass Sunstein.

Read a few relevant quotes. Air Pinochet needs him as a customer.

Posted by: NR Pax at April 01, 2026 11:36 AM (jjoN6)

126 Soulless bureaucracies are frightening. When your fate is placed in their hands your welfare is not the ultimate concern. It is process and procedure, with whatever philosophy it adheres to coloring every move.

Posted by: tubal at April 01, 2026 11:36 AM (pDt9x)

127 It is the inviolable choice of the individual to decide...it cannot be ceded to anyone else.
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You might be surprised to find that Lockean rights start with your choice to do that. And everything expands from God's command that you remain living.

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 11:36 AM (Q4cxx)

128 So, how does Canada make up for less revenue when there are fewer Canadians to pay for stuff??

Posted by: dantesed at April 01, 2026 11:36 AM (Oy/m2)

129 Setting aside all the insane moral hazards here... a lot of these people, it seems like most, would be physically able to kill themselves. Find a gun, a knife, or a tall bridge.

Stop asking for a handout.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 01, 2026 11:36 AM (BI5O2)

130 Both can write scripts and depending on the state, may not require a supervising physician.

Which is scary.

Yes it is. I assume, however, that this will soon be one of the areas taken over by AI.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:24 AM (Riz8t)
==
Most prescription determinations are pretty much template based.
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I should note my bias: my husband's cancer was misdiagnosed for up to a year because the nurse practitioner kept guessing different things for his symptoms at each visit. In retrospect, she was clearly unsupervised.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:28 AM (Suwql)
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NP's and PA's are not trained in diagnosis - once you get past the easy stuff, a doc should be involved. I hope it worked out in the end. The office should be sued for malpractice.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 01, 2026 11:37 AM (GZYu7)

131 Or whatever is on Canuck money.
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Loons.
Posted by: Captain Obvious

I thought they took King Charles off the money?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 11:37 AM (sUjod)

132 "That kind of decision is one in which you are giving up."

OK, that's an interesting way to look at it. One of my grandfathers died from prostate cancer. He absolutely refused all treatment and died in a lot of pain. That might have been his reasoning.

Posted by: NR Pax at April 01, 2026 11:37 AM (jjoN6)

133 As long as it's their choice I have no issues with it. The problem I am having is that we are seeing in real time how it goes from "This is an option for you" to "This is your only option."
Posted by: NR Pax at April 01, 2026 11:33 AM (jjoN6)

It always ends up with..."Get in the back of the van."

Posted by: Unit 731 at April 01, 2026 11:37 AM (d+TZW)

134 70- What's today, again?

Posted by: vivi at April 01, 2026 11:38 AM (OFw3k)

135 The country of "Hey, have you ever considered suicide?" to our North.

So polite....

Clean streets.

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 11:38 AM (Q4cxx)

136 So, how does Canada make up for less revenue when there are fewer Canadians to pay for stuff??
Posted by: dantesed

Tax the remaining people moar harderer!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 11:38 AM (sUjod)

137 129 Setting aside all the insane moral hazards here... a lot of these people, it seems like most, would be physically able to kill themselves. Find a gun, a knife, or a tall bridge.

Stop asking for a handout.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 01, 2026 11:36 AM (BI5O2)

It’s all about covering their actions with niceness and decorum. Also a form of cowardice and blame shifting.

Posted by: tubal at April 01, 2026 11:38 AM (pDt9x)

138
was it just me, or did anyone else visualize the moving city entities from the (bad) movie Imortal Engines motoring about chasing humans to murder while reading this?

Posted by: BifBewalski at April 01, 2026 11:38 AM (PnEh/)

139 125
‘ Air Pinochet needs him as a customer.’

Give Sunstein a ‘nudge’ toward the door.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 01, 2026 11:38 AM (jbnUc)

140 So, how does Canada make up for less revenue when there are fewer Canadians to pay for stuff??
Posted by: dantesed at April 01, 2026 11:36 AM (Oy/m2)
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VOLUME!

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 11:39 AM (Q4cxx)

141 Sponge, Aetius451AD, Captain Obvious, & I used to have a different nic

You all are safe. I have in mind Aliassmithsmith, Sid, Sad!, raimondo and others of that ilk.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 01, 2026 11:39 AM (u82oZ)

142 >128 So, how does Canada make up for less revenue when there are fewer Canadians to pay for stuff??

Posted by: dantesed at April 01, 2026 11:36 AM (Oy/m2)

Fewer white Canadians hoss.

Posted by: Somililand at April 01, 2026 11:39 AM (NgqoH)

143 NP's and PA's are not trained in diagnosis - once you get past the easy stuff, a doc should be involved.

A friend of mine in the neighborhood is a physician. We were chatting once about my back problems, and he got really exercised about the extent to which non-doctors are now substituting their relatively untrained opinions for those of doctors, who as he point out, have many years more training. It wasn't a matter of money for him; he's retired, and a very moral person to boot, he thought it was unconscionable and risky for people who can't afford more.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:39 AM (Riz8t)

144 Communists love accelerating things to the point where they can take anyone that doesn't openly, publicly, and enthusiastically agree with the state, declare them "crazy", and then kill them.

Looks like Canada's on the same path.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at April 01, 2026 11:40 AM (O7YUW)

145 129 Setting aside all the insane moral hazards here... a lot of these people, it seems like most, would be physically able to kill themselves. Find a gun, a knife, or a tall bridge.

Stop asking for a handout.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 01, 2026 11:36 AM (BI5O2)

This.

There are many ways one can die. If I want off the mortal coil it’s easy to do on my own.

Posted by: Cow Demon at April 01, 2026 11:40 AM (nqStX)

146 With a weak and ill person, it is very easy to bully them into signing any paper in front of them, especially "consent".

We have abandoned the practice of allowing police to pressure witnesses into signing "confessions" after long interrogations with no counsel present; why would we allow this for the sick and elderly, who have done no wrong, save to exist?

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 01, 2026 11:40 AM (/QdgR)

147 Take a moment to trod down memory lane with Rosie O'Donnell, "Meathead" (before he went room temp), Steven King, anyone working at CNN, the transgenders, etc. and tell me they're not clinically insane to some degree. Clearly miserable.

Be compassionate and offer them "an out."

Bet many take it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 01, 2026 11:40 AM (AkEZC)

148 @128/dantesed: "So, how does Canada make up for less revenue when there are fewer Canadians to pay for stuff??"

More immigrants from India!

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at April 01, 2026 11:41 AM (O7YUW)

149 It can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2026 11:41 AM (bMfWR)

150 >>NP's and PA's are not trained in diagnosis - once you get past the easy stuff, a doc should be involved. I hope it worked out in the end. The office should be sued for malpractice.

He survived. She called him in the hospital to apologize, like that helped. We considered suing but ended up not doing it.

The doctor was terrible. He always gets high rating in the local city magazine, but he was responsible for that as well as my brother f'ing up his knee (he gave him the all-clear to resume running because he misdiagnosed the injury). Terrible doctor, terrible practice.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:41 AM (Suwql)

151 Fewer leopard seals and humans means more room for us.

* wing flaps in unison *

Posted by: Big Penguin at April 01, 2026 11:41 AM (0sNs1)

152 >128 So, how does Canada make up for less revenue when there are fewer Canadians to pay for stuff??

Posted by: dantesed at April 01, 2026 11:36 AM (Oy/m2)

Fewer white Canadians hoss.
Posted by: Somililand at April 01, 2026 11:39 AM (NgqoH)
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One thing can be said, a drug cocktail is a far more efficient way to dispatch the old and infirm than hauling them out to an ice flow.

Posted by: mrp at April 01, 2026 11:41 AM (rj6Yv)

153 The left says 95% of the population must die to stop the apocalypse.

Once you understand they believe this a lot of of other things they do start to make sense

Posted by: 18-1 at April 01, 2026 11:42 AM (sKqQm)

154 NP's and PA's are not trained in diagnosis - once you get past the easy stuff, a doc should be involved.

A friend of mine in the neighborhood is a physician. We were chatting once about my back problems, and he got really exercised about the extent to which non-doctors are now substituting their relatively untrained opinions for those of doctors, who as he point out, have many years more training. It wasn't a matter of money for him; he's retired, and a very moral person to boot, he thought it was unconscionable and risky for people who can't afford more.

And that's why I think AI will soon dominate medicine (in some areas, it sort of already does). I don't worship physicians as our parent's generation did, and I think diagnosis is something that can ultimately do a better job than a human, although you'll want to keep a human in the loop for awhile yet.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:42 AM (Riz8t)

155
"Kill your babies. Cut off the living ones' genitals. Now kill yourself."

Anyone sensing a pattern, here?

They'll stop asking, soon enough.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 01, 2026 11:42 AM (BI5O2)

156 "First, the number of medical students is limited. Allow more med students instead of allowing people who have fewer years of training fill in for doctors*."

There is only so much space to train them, and even then schools are doing everything they can to make sure once enrolled you graduate. The clinical requirements are extensive, you cannot magically create more supply to provide them proper training.

That is why NP's and PAs have become more popular in basics family practice settings. Quicker, less clinical training, work on training on the basic stuff most patients will present with. Once it goes beyond that, the doc should step in.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 01, 2026 11:42 AM (GZYu7)

157 Can'tada.

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 11:42 AM (Q4cxx)

158 OK, that's an interesting way to look at it. One of my grandfathers died from prostate cancer. He absolutely refused all treatment and died in a lot of pain. That might have been his reasoning.
Posted by: NR Pax at April 01, 2026 11:37 AM (jjoN6)

That generation (and prior) had a different view of drugs. You had Audie Murphy who was addicted to Morphine and locked himself in a hotel room to try to crack it. Because the addiction was seen as shameful. Audie Murphy. Less of a Man.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:42 AM (bss/y)

159 MAID - Make Anyone ill Dead

Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2026 11:42 AM (bMfWR)

160 153 The left says 95% of the population must die to stop the apocalypse.

Once you understand they believe this a lot of of other things they do start to make sense
Posted by: 18-1 at April 01, 2026 11:42 AM (sKqQm)

We must bring about the apocalypse in order to stop it!

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 01, 2026 11:42 AM (/QdgR)

161 NP's and PA's are not trained in diagnosis - once you get past the easy stuff, a doc should be involved.
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Couple weeks ago Jordan61 mentioned that her Hubby had been misdiagnosed until an NP picked up on what was really going on. Mixed bag, I guess.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 01, 2026 11:42 AM (+DAqq)

162 140 So, how does Canada make up for less revenue when there are fewer Canadians to pay for stuff??
Posted by: dantesed at April 01, 2026 11:36 AM (Oy/m2)
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VOLUME!
Posted by: Axeman

They just write it off!

Posted by: Cosmo Kramer at April 01, 2026 11:43 AM (A/4JQ)

163 There are many ways one can die. If I want off the mortal coil it’s easy to do on my own.

Posted by: Cow Demon

OK, so the government shouldn't be involved - we agree on that. But then why should it be the government's business to deny you access to dirt cheap drugs that will, with your approval, send you on your way?

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:44 AM (Riz8t)

164 I predict a 6 to 3 scotus against Trump in this case, maybe even 7 to 2, but doesn't matter, a loss is a loss. The constitution has become a suicide pact.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 01, 2026 11:45 AM (n5tGW)

165 Basically 100% of life up to the very end is a whole series of decisions made to avoid dying. Dying is easy. Not dying is super hard. Get off your ass, go die, and quit bothering your neighbors about it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 01, 2026 11:45 AM (BI5O2)

166 Aloha! I've had a few opportunities open up in my schedule, if you'd like to inform your girl.

Posted by: Brian Stelter at April 01, 2026 11:45 AM (0sNs1)

167 163 There are many ways one can die. If I want off the mortal coil it’s easy to do on my own.

Posted by: Cow Demon

OK, so the government shouldn't be involved - we agree on that. But then why should it be the government's business to deny you access to dirt cheap drugs that will, with your approval, send you on your way?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:44 AM (Riz8t)

Do you not know how to use what's already on the market? It doesn't take much...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 01, 2026 11:45 AM (tOcjL)

168 145 Yep. I had an uncle with bad old time cancer in the lowers. He had been talking about the solution, and my Aunt had Mom and Dad come and get his shotgun and revolver. A trip to the hardware store, a knowledge of knots, a stepladder, and he did it. Did it in the garage, door closed, simple note saying call the fire department, no mess.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 01, 2026 11:46 AM (gm9Sb)

169 The left says 95% of the population must die to stop the apocalypse.

Once you understand they believe this a lot of of other things they do start to make sense
Posted by: 18-1

Fine. Them first. If you truly believe it, step up.

Or step the F off & STFU.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 11:46 AM (sUjod)

170 We must bring about the apocalypse in order to stop it!

They don't see OTHER people dying as a bad thing.

Go on a lefty forum and they'll wax poetic about those "after humans" type shows and how they'd like to live in that scenario...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 01, 2026 11:46 AM (sKqQm)

171 125 Read "Nudge" by Cass Sunstein.

Read a few relevant quotes. Air Pinochet needs him as a customer.
Posted by: NR Pax at April 01, 2026 11:36 AM (jjoN6)

Sean Hannity loved that asshole, had him on his show all the time.

Posted by: XTC at April 01, 2026 11:46 AM (uEmCf)

172 He survived. She called him in the hospital to apologize, like that helped. We considered suing but ended up not doing it.

The doctor was terrible. He always gets high rating in the local city magazine, but he was responsible for that as well as my brother f'ing up his knee (he gave him the all-clear to resume running because he misdiagnosed the injury). Terrible doctor, terrible practice.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:41 AM (Suwql)
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You can never avoid the errors. They all make them, because there is still some art to the profession. The goods one know how to get all the info you can provide, along with the testing results and give good treatment. A few just can't.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 01, 2026 11:46 AM (GZYu7)

173 >>We were chatting once about my back problems, and he got really exercised about the extent to which non-doctors are now substituting their relatively untrained opinions for those of doctors, who as he point out, have many years more training. It wasn't a matter of money for him; he's retired, and a very moral person to boot, he thought it was unconscionable and risky for people who can't afford more.

THIS.

No insult to NP and PA's, but they're not equivalent to doctors, no matter how much bureaucrats want us to believe.

My dad is a retired doctor (another bias), and in a medical journal (can't recall which one) a few years back, they did a study of a large medical practice that was moving more patient visits to NP's to save money. They discovered that it actually increased costs because the NP's were less sure of their diagnosis and ordered many more tests that the doctors. Totally unexpected result.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:46 AM (Suwql)

174 Shoulda killed him and ate his liver.

He asked for it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:18 AM

Commie liver. Probably tastes like patchouli and bad life choices.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 01, 2026 11:46 AM (bFu5X)

175 What's funny about MAID is that there's an ENTIRE huge bureaucracy for mental health here too. Commercials air relatively often. There are plenty of hotlines to call. Suicide for serious stuff and talk lines for others. A lot of them.

I have called. Caregiver PTSD is actually a thing. I'm not a medication guy. I've been to my doctor about twice in 10 or 12 years. But he called and gave me meds. And a lady has come three times as I deal with anxiety that just popped up.

I believe that mental health bureaucracy was already in place. It's a government system designed to help people in crisis so you know it's not getting cut. And you have the medical system and MAID on the other side.

One bureaucracy to prevent suicide. The other to help you accomplish it. Weird.

Posted by: Stateless - Day 13 of 14 or so - extreme dog care at April 01, 2026 11:46 AM (Sco7b)

176 OK, so the government shouldn't be involved - we agree on that. But then why should it be the government's business to deny you access to dirt cheap drugs that will, with your approval, send you on your way?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:44 AM (Riz8t)

Do you not know how to use what's already on the market? It doesn't take much...
Posted by: Nova Local

Stepping off a 10 story building is free.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 11:47 AM (sUjod)

177 Well, speaking of, I'm heading to the DMV today to get my Real ID with military indorsement and I'm going to take my name off the organ donor list.

We ain't in the 2001 anymore. My organs aren't in 2001 anymore either, although I can still hang a towel on my main organ.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 01, 2026 11:47 AM (qwx/I)

178 Do you not know how to use what's already on the market? It doesn't take much...

Well, if you're talking about drugs like barbiturates, they're prescription only. If you asked the doctor for a lethal dose, he'd probably deny you. The idea is to go softly into that good night, not spend your final hours choking and vomiting, or worse, blowing your head off for your loved ones to find.

Like it or not, Jack Kevorkian did what he did for a reason.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:47 AM (Riz8t)

179 Eventually they'll push for minors to be able to get a suicide prescription.

It'll be useful in the following scenario:

"Mr. Jones, do you want a live daughter or a dead son?!"

"Which floor is the death chamber on?"

That'll put junior's mind right in a hurry, when he's looking into that Elevator To Nowhere.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 01, 2026 11:48 AM (BI5O2)

180 The thing with MAID and the like is that you can certainly make the case that people with painful incurable diseases should have options but as soon as the government gets involved, especially with fully socialized healthcare, they have an incentive to kill you.

And THAT is why Canada quickly moved away from the horrible cases to ever more minor issues. And it won't stop.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 01, 2026 11:48 AM (sKqQm)

181
OK, so the government shouldn't be involved - we agree on that. But then why should it be the government's business to deny you access to dirt cheap drugs that will, with your approval, send you on your way?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:44 AM (Riz8t)

I don’t think you are that stupid. There are countless do it yourself ways. If you have to get help, you are a coward, and anyone who helps is an accessory to murder.

Posted by: Cow Demon at April 01, 2026 11:48 AM (nqStX)

182 Einwanderungs- und Zollbehörde will have their hands full

Germany’s Merz Pushes Plan to Send Most Syrian Migrants Home Within Two Years

Posted by: SMOD at April 01, 2026 11:48 AM (RHGPo)

183 169 The left says 95% of the population must die to stop the apocalypse.

Once you understand they believe this a lot of of other things they do start to make sense
Posted by: 18-1

Fine. Them first. If you truly believe it, step up.

Or step the F off & STFU.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 11:46 AM (sUjod)

Glenn Beck, back before he went off the rails for good, played a clip of a mother and daughter talking about how the earth wasn't meant to have more than 500,000 humans living on it. (But of course, included themselves in the 500,000 who should be allowed to stay alive.)

Posted by: XTC at April 01, 2026 11:49 AM (uEmCf)

184 I can still hang a towel on my main organ.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 01, 2026 11:47 AM (qwx/I)
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Solemente uno?

Posted by: The Paolo at April 01, 2026 11:49 AM (oqH4h)

185 "Kill your babies. Cut off the living ones' genitals. Now kill yourself."

Anyone sensing a pattern, here?

They'll stop asking, soon enough.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 01, 2026 11:42 AM (BI5O2)
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They're already past asking. That's why they are putting so many toxins in our food.

The "Elite" are way past the taboo notion of "equality" and think is "scientific" that the "smartest" people make decisions for all us dummies.

This is one thing that atheists in general refuse to grasp. Yeah, "equality" is a value that non-believers can have without a doctrine of equality--but when the rubber hits the road--DO THEY??!!!

Atheists have given us a century or two of slovenly thinking and "I'll get to it" rigor.

The question of "Can Christianity restrain man's evil" is valid given the ROAD RECORD of Christianity. But they never consider the ROAD RECORD of Atheist leaders.

Christians have a doctrine that makes "human worth" an actual desirable thing. There is no such thing as "human worth"--even in any religion--outside of Christianity that sounds like a good thing. Because "worth" comes from "warp" and "to turn", it means "turnaround in the marketplace" to a degree.

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 11:50 AM (Q4cxx)

186 178 Do you not know how to use what's already on the market? It doesn't take much...

Well, if you're talking about drugs like barbiturates, they're prescription only. If you asked the doctor for a lethal dose, he'd probably deny you. The idea is to go softly into that good night, not spend your final hours choking and vomiting, or worse, blowing your head off for your loved ones to find.

Like it or not, Jack Kevorkian did what he did for a reason.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:47 AM (Riz8t)

Sign a DNR, buy practically any over the counter drug and include a sleep pill so you don't feel it (or some NyQuil) and just take the whole bottle...and then take another one...and then wash it all down with a bottle of 151...

Internet could probably give you the cheapest and most certain combo of those OTC things...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 01, 2026 11:50 AM (tOcjL)

187 >That is why NP's and PAs have become more popular in basics family practice settings. Quicker, less clinical training, work on training on the basic stuff most patients will present with. Once it goes beyond that, the doc should step in.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 01, 2026 11:42 AM (GZYu7)

I have a front row seat to this. Meta Boy is in med school and Meta Girl is in NP school. Makes dinner conversations very interesting.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at April 01, 2026 11:50 AM (NgqoH)

188 My organs aren't in 2001 anymore either, although I can still hang a towel on my main organ.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 01, 2026 11:47 AM (qwx/I)
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Wurlitzer or Hammond?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 01, 2026 11:50 AM (+DAqq)

189 leftists are miserable people. I am 100% for assisted suicide here in the United States. I think we're missing an opportunity here.

Posted by: JROD at April 01, 2026 11:50 AM (IlL6s)

190 Like it or not, Jack Kevorkian did what he did for a reason.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:47 AM (Riz8t)

There is a vast difference in kind between allowing someone to take their life and encouraging it.

If you want to off yourself. Fucking do it. No one is stopping you. It is easier to get a gun than a book, so go to Buds, pick out a nice one to fit in your mouth and do it.

Where we are taking issue is when there is a government edifice dedicated to promoting that as an option- no different than the trans groomers, just a short hop and a jump away, morally speaking.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:50 AM (bss/y)

191 Well, assuming birthright occupation becomes the norm, then the young white men should get fitted in Hugo Boss clothes and start solving the problem on their own. I'll help. It's not like they can get accepted into Med School, even with 4.9 GPAs & 520 MCATs.

Turn that justifiable anger into something else.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 01, 2026 11:50 AM (qwx/I)

192 179 It'll be useful in the following scenario:

"Mr. Jones, do you want a live daughter or a dead son?!"

"Which floor is the death chamber on?"

That'll put junior's mind right in a hurry, when he's looking into that Elevator To Nowhere.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 01, 2026 11:48 AM (BI5O2)

"On second thought, forget the death chamber. I want to kill the little faggot with my own hands, like a real man."

Posted by: XTC at April 01, 2026 11:50 AM (uEmCf)

193 I can still hang a towel on my main organ.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 01, 2026 11:47 AM

Can you lift it up and down for reps?

When it's soaking wet?

Posted by: Paolo at April 01, 2026 11:50 AM (0sNs1)

194 Glenn Beck, back before he went off the rails for good, played a clip of a mother and daughter talking about how the earth wasn't meant to have more than 500,000 humans living on it. (But of course, included themselves in the 500,000 who should be allowed to stay alive.)
Posted by: XTC at April 01, 2026 11:49 AM (uEmCf)

I’ve occasionally wondered what happened to Beck… was he always nuts?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 01, 2026 11:50 AM (OgOy1)

195 171
‘ Sean Hannity loved that asshole, had him on his show all the time.’

Are you suggesting Cass Sunstein isn’t a great American?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 01, 2026 11:50 AM (jbnUc)

196 Nurse practitioners. I prefer them for the initial stuff due to the old bedside manner stuff. I don't like Doctors that waste half the consult in chewing me out for my choices, right or wrong.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 01, 2026 11:51 AM (gm9Sb)

197 I don’t think you are that stupid. There are countless do it yourself ways. If you have to get help, you are a coward, and anyone who helps is an accessory to murder.

Great. So, step off a building, and leave the mess for your loved ones to deal with. Regardless, the point is that you've said it's not the government's business, and I agreed. Then you immediately want the government to deny your CHOSEN method of dying. Pick one.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:51 AM (Riz8t)

198 184 I can still hang a towel on my main organ.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 01, 2026 11:47 AM (qwx/I)
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Solemente uno?

Brawny quilted.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 01, 2026 11:51 AM (qwx/I)

199 Well, it's not all bad news.

Tiger Woods Awarded Honorary California CDL

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From the Bee.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Damn It Feels Good to Be a Trumpster! at April 01, 2026 11:33 AM (ndZc7)

Heh.

that's good.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:51 AM (Zz0t1)

200 Stepping off a 10 story building is free.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 11:47 AM (sUjod)

and sometimes you survive like that poor woman in Spain.

Posted by: Kindltot - Renew, eh? Beauty. at April 01, 2026 11:51 AM (rbvCR)

201 I can still hang a towel on my main organ.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie

Do paper towels count?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 11:51 AM (sUjod)

202 Back stretched. Felt good.

Ice and sitting down, then something moved.........f*ck.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:52 AM (Zz0t1)

203 I don’t think you are that stupid. There are countless do it yourself ways. If you have to get help, you are a coward, and anyone who helps is an accessory to murder.
Posted by: Cow Demon at April 01, 2026 11:48 AM (nqStX)

THIS. Which is why Kevorkian was rightly vilified- he was a merchant of death, plying his wiles on impressionable people.

Having someone else do it removes a lot of the internal resistance to this type of shit.

Life has a purpose, quit fucking with God.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:52 AM (bss/y)

204 The left says 95% of the population must die to stop the apocalypse.

Once you understand they believe this a lot of of other things they do start to make sense
Posted by: 18-1
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Fake news.

They only need 92% to bite it.

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 11:52 AM (Q4cxx)

205 They prey upon the weak.

Posted by: Gmac-WTF did you think was going to happen? at April 01, 2026 11:52 AM (Q/FnY)

206 And that's why I think AI will soon dominate medicine (in some areas, it sort of already does). I don't worship physicians as our parent's generation did, and I think diagnosis is something that can ultimately do a better job than a human, although you'll want to keep a human in the loop for awhile yet.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:42 AM (Riz8t)
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AI actually will do a poorer job of diagnosis, because they won't be able to take what a patient says into consideration as well as a human. Templates already exist to determine what to do with the diagnosis, I would expect AI to speed up that process and probably reduce the need for back office types. Where AI will excel will be in surgical activities, radiology and such. It will probably wipe out over half the diagnostic radiologists, and will completely change what a surgeon does.

Going to become glorified machining specialists.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 01, 2026 11:53 AM (GZYu7)

207
and sometimes you survive like that poor woman in Spain.
Posted by: Kindltot - Renew, eh? Beauty. at April 01, 2026 11:51 AM (rbvCR)

Know a guy who's ex-wife did that. Called him to 'watch the dog,' then she threw herself off a bridge.

Lived. Rehab is going to be a bitch.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 11:53 AM (Zz0t1)

208 >>The goods one know how to get all the info you can provide, along with the testing results and give good treatment. A few just can't.

There are good and bad ones as in any profession.
There are legitimate errors and errors because of not paying attention. In our case, it was the latter. My husband's frequent visits with the PA's diagnoses all over the map and nothing working merited his attention. The cancer was found thanks to internal bleeding and him vomiting blood - we were lucky he got to the ER in time. **The doctor and the PA dropped the ball.**

Posted by: Lizzy at April 01, 2026 11:53 AM (Suwql)

209 Great. So, step off a building, and leave the mess for your loved ones to deal with. Regardless, the point is that you've said it's not the government's business, and I agreed. Then you immediately want the government to deny your CHOSEN method of dying. Pick one.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:51 AM (Riz8t)

Self service suicide/crematory boothes?

They'll need guards. Maybe a concierge to help people into them. Advertising to pay for upkeep. ...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:53 AM (bss/y)

210 Well, shutting down the laptop; on the road for Comox in a few minutes. Will log in this evening.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 01, 2026 11:53 AM (2JFBE)

211 Back stretched. Felt good.

Ice and sitting down, then something moved.........f*ck.
Posted by: Sponge

My back goes out more than I do.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 11:53 AM (sUjod)

212 Where we are taking issue is when there is a government edifice dedicated to promoting that as an option- no different than the trans groomers, just a short hop and a jump away, morally speaking.

We actually aren't talking about different things. I'm against government involvement in suicide, period. If you agree, then that means government doesn't stand in the way either.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:54 AM (Riz8t)

213 Germany’s Merz Pushes Plan to Send Most Syrian Migrants Home Within Two Years
Posted by: SMOD at April 01, 2026 11:48 AM (RHGPo)

I suspect that is going to cause a civil war, or at least a insurgency.

Posted by: Kindltot - Renew, eh? Beauty. at April 01, 2026 11:54 AM (rbvCR)

214 At WaPo: "Yes, you can make friends with trees. Here’s why it’s a good idea."

tl;dr: Because you don't want trees mad at you. Don't fuck with an oak.

Posted by: gp at April 01, 2026 11:54 AM (N8ZBc)

215 205 They prey upon the weak.
Posted by: Gmac-WTF did you think was going to happen? at April 01, 2026 11:52 AM (Q/FnY)

This.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:54 AM (bss/y)

216 OT but I have not seen Fenelon around much.

Posted by: tubal at April 01, 2026 11:54 AM (pDt9x)

217 200 Stepping off a 10 story building is free.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 11:47 AM (sUjod)

and sometimes you survive like that poor woman in Spain.
Posted by: Kindltot - Renew, eh? Beauty. at April 01, 2026 11:51 AM (rbvCR)

Thus, the DNR is a necessity.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 01, 2026 11:55 AM (tOcjL)

218 This whole subject sickens me to my very core. I find it hard to believe these "compassionate" lawmakers are anything less than motivated by pure evil.

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 01, 2026 11:55 AM (qBdHI)

219 194 I’ve occasionally wondered what happened to Beck… was he always nuts?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 01, 2026 11:50 AM (OgOy1)

30 years of Alcoholism, for one thing.

Yeah, he managed to quit a little while after he converted to Mormonism, but doing it that long still catches up to you.

Posted by: XTC at April 01, 2026 11:55 AM (uEmCf)

220 Also, how long will it be before the usual suspects start screaming that the race ratio of those being killed is not in line with anti colonization and exhibits wyte supremery .
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Guilty white liberals will be the overwhelming majority of the early MAID numbers. The Muslims won't be signing up for this.

Posted by: Sensient Technologies Corporation at April 01, 2026 11:55 AM (TN0g+)

221

Parts - The Clonus Horror

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 01, 2026 11:55 AM (Cqx++)

222 OT but I have not seen Fenelon around much.

--

She posted in the Pixy thread, I think. She was taking a break from the news.

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 01, 2026 11:55 AM (qBdHI)

223 Give Sunstein a ‘nudge’ toward the door.
Posted by: Dr. Claw

"No tears, Cass. Just gravity."

Posted by: NR Pax at April 01, 2026 11:55 AM (jjoN6)

224 She posted in the Pixy thread, I think. She was taking a break from the news.

Smart thinking. I'd noticed her absence as well.

Posted by: NR Pax at April 01, 2026 11:56 AM (jjoN6)

225 Postulate: Syria is in the state it's in because the assholes stayed behind.

Unfortunately, it seems that the assholes also went elsewhere.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 01, 2026 11:56 AM (+DAqq)

226 Canada and Spain can just go fook themselves.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 01, 2026 11:56 AM (qFwJc)

227 AI actually will do a poorer job of diagnosis, because they won't be able to take what a patient says into consideration as well as a human. Templates already exist to determine what to do with the diagnosis, I would expect AI to speed up that process and probably reduce the need for back office types.

Agreed, for the time being. My point is that the day is coming when it WILL do a better job than a human, including taking into account what the patient says, and knowing how to prompt them to provide useful information. At least that's what I foresee.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:56 AM (Riz8t)

228 At NYT: "Is There a Least Bad Alcohol?"

EtOH: Tastes pretty darn good.
MeOH: Cheaper, better buzz.

Posted by: gp at April 01, 2026 11:56 AM (N8ZBc)

229 We actually aren't talking about different things. I'm against government involvement in suicide, period. If you agree, then that means government doesn't stand in the way either.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:54 AM (Riz8t)

We ARE talking about different things. You are proceeding from a purely intellectual argument and I am saying how people work.

In a purely intellectual way, I agree with you (although I still think suicide is wrong in nearly all cases.) In practice is always where the Devil lies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:56 AM (bss/y)

230 Give Sunstein a ‘nudge’ toward the door.

Posted by: Dr. Claw
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Or at the North edge of the Grand Canyon.

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 11:57 AM (Q4cxx)

231 "Yes, you can make friends with trees. Here’s why it’s a good idea."

tl;dr: Because you don't want trees mad at you. Don't fuck with an oak.
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The last thing you want is unrest in the forrest, trouble with the trees.

Posted by: Crusader at April 01, 2026 11:57 AM (TN0g+)

232 164 I predict a 6 to 3 scotus against Trump in this case, maybe even 7 to 2, but doesn't matter, a loss is a loss. The constitution has become a suicide pact.
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You have Lincoln to thank for that.

Posted by: pudinhead at April 01, 2026 11:57 AM (n17eQ)

233 222 OT but I have not seen Fenelon around much.

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She posted in the Pixy thread, I think. She was taking a break from the news.
Posted by: Lady in Black at April 01, 2026 11:55 AM (qBdHI)

Ah. Thanks. Absent regulars always get my antennae up. Except for TJM. That guy!!

Posted by: tubal at April 01, 2026 11:57 AM (pDt9x)

234 164 I predict a 6 to 3 scotus against Trump in this case, maybe even 7 to 2, but doesn't matter, a loss is a loss. The constitution has become a suicide pact.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 01, 2026 11:45 AM (n5tGW)

It's not a popular opinion, but I've maintained from the start that Trump will lose the birthright case not because of any of the merits of the issue, but because the President does not have the power to decide an issue like this through an EO. The Court is going to reserve the issue of Constitutional Interpretation for itself, and issue a ruling on that basis.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 01, 2026 11:57 AM (/QdgR)

235 OT but I have not seen Fenelon around much.
Posted by: tubal at April 01, 2026 11:54 AM (pDt9x)
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She's usually on the early morning Tech Thread.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 01, 2026 11:58 AM (+DAqq)

236 I thought Glenn Beck's show on Fox was pretty entertaining.

Problem was he had an show with only 30 minutes of material.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 01, 2026 11:58 AM (qFwJc)

237 and sometimes you survive like that poor woman in Spain.
Posted by: Kindltot - Renew, eh? Beauty. at April 01, 2026 11:51 AM (rbvCR)

Know a guy who's ex-wife did that. Called him to 'watch the dog,' then she threw herself off a bridge.

Lived. Rehab is going to be a bitch.......
Posted by: Sponge

1. It was only 7 stories. Yeah. Extra 30+ feet matters.
2. She landed on an 81 yr old man and killed him.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 11:58 AM (sUjod)

238 We ARE talking about different things. You are proceeding from a purely intellectual argument and I am saying how people work.

In a purely intellectual way, I agree with you (although I still think suicide is wrong in nearly all cases.) In practice is always where the Devil lies.

Looking for logical consistency is the only way I know how to argue a point. I'm not a leftist.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:58 AM (Riz8t)

239 This is all getting depressing

Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2026 11:58 AM (bMfWR)

240 Ah. Thanks. Absent regulars always get my antennae up. Except for TJM. That guy!!
Posted by: tubal at April 01, 2026 11:57 AM (pDt9x)

Which reminds me, any Helena Handbasket sightings recently?

Posted by: Pug Mahon at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (PSEDc)

241 Based on articles I've seen it seems pretty clear that there are people getting paid finders fees (kickbacks) to get others to do the MAID treatment.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (n5tGW)

242 Some of the suicides we have in the news are over despair or even discouragement. Maybe plain old ennui. Very unsympathetic with that.

Posted by: tubal at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (pDt9x)

243
POKER MONKEY

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (QDlji)

244 I guess it's an easy euro thing, by my Dad said when my Uncle did the dutchman it was the walk in the woods. My old Polish landlady used the same words, finding one of her tenants had done it.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (gm9Sb)

245 I read somewhere on X that the Rothchilds took over the Bank of England 3 centuries ago.

And George Soros bankrupted it about 15 years ago.

Fun times.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (qFwJc)

246 239 This is all getting depressing

Posted by: Skip

Right. Let's move on. I doubt anyone has anything else to say that will change minds.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (Riz8t)

247 225 Postulate: Syria is in the state it's in because the assholes stayed behind.

Unfortunately, it seems that the assholes also went elsewhere.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 01, 2026 11:56 AM (+DAqq)

The ones that left were assholes. The ones that stayed were assholes. People ask "why does the US accept a murderous asshole as the new leader of Syria?"

Do you think there any choices that weren't?

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (/QdgR)

248 This is all getting depressing
Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2026 11:58 AM (bMfWR)/i]

We've got something for that.

Posted by: Canadian Government Run Healthcare at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)

249 I'm against government involvement in suicide, period.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:54 AM (Riz8t)

Agreed. And I would add any organization that has any financial involvement with the person. Starting with hospitals.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 01, 2026 12:00 PM (n9ltV)

250 230
‘ Or at the North edge of the Grand Canyon.’

Yells over edge:
‘MAID just for you, Cass!
I bet you can count to 20 before you hit!’

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 01, 2026 12:00 PM (jbnUc)

251 248 This is all getting depressing
Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2026 11:58 AM (bMfWR)/i]

We've got something for that.
Posted by: Canadian Government Run Healthcare at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)

Lol. Just had to.

Posted by: tubal at April 01, 2026 12:00 PM (pDt9x)

252 This is all getting depressing
Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2026 11:58 AM (bMfWR)/i]

We've got something for that.

Posted by: Canadian Government Run Healthcare

How about that. There was a joke in all the gloom and it was a good one.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 12:01 PM (Riz8t)

253 Hour long show with only 30 minutes of material.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 01, 2026 12:01 PM (qFwJc)

254 248 This is all getting depressing
Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2026 11:58 AM (bMfWR)/i]

We've got something for that.
Posted by: Canadian Government Run Healthcare at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)

I was just thinking we stumbled on MAID's advertising campaign...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 01, 2026 12:01 PM (tOcjL)

255
How about that. There was a joke in all the gloom and it was a good one.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 12:01 PM (Riz8t)

Laughter is the BEST medicine.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:01 PM (Zz0t1)

256 They told me that suicide is painless.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (Cqx++)

257 This is all getting depressing
Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2026 11:58 AM (bMfWR)/i]

We've got something for that.
Posted by: Canadian Government Run Healthcare at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)

Lol. Just had to.
Posted by: tubal

Fist bump

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (sUjod)

258 At NYT: "Is There a Least Bad Alcohol?"
Posted by: gp at April 01, 2026 11:56 AM

C2H5OH is generally considered better than CH3OH and higher-order alcohols, for consumption purposes.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (0sNs1)

259 In a purely intellectual way, I agree with you (although I still think suicide is wrong in nearly all cases.) In practice is always where the Devil lies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 11:56 AM (bss/y)
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That's probably where I am as well. I pray if diagnosed with something terrible I won't succumb to offing myself early. I would hate to fail right at the end.

But as someone noted, in the US the States have police powers. They can say you can't kill yourself.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (GZYu7)

260 This is all getting depressing
Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2026 11:58 AM (bMfWR)
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The Lord shines brighter when Man fills the world with darkness.

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (Q4cxx)

261 Fen has been around lately

Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (bMfWR)

262 They told me that suicide is painless.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (Cqx++)
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It does bring on many changes.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (+DAqq)

263 I'm against government involvement in suicide, period.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 01, 2026 11:54 AM (Riz8t)

Agreed. And I would add any organization that has any financial involvement with the person. Starting with hospitals.
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"First Do No Harm" seems to directly contradict abortion and 40 years of "transgender healthcare".

Posted by: Crusader at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (TN0g+)

264 Sean Hannity loved that asshole, had him on his show all the time.

Posted by: XTC at April 01, 2026 11:46 AM

Hey, let not your heart be troubled.....

Posted by: Frank Barone at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (IifOV)

265 "Yes, you can make friends with trees. Here’s why it’s a good idea."

tl;dr: Because you don't want trees mad at you. Don't fuck with an oak.
-------

The last thing you want is unrest in the forest, trouble with the trees.
Posted by: Crusader at April 01, 2026 11:57 AM (TN0g+)
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No, no you don't...

Posted by: Saruman the Many-Colored at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (ESVrU)

266 They told me that suicide is painless.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM

It also brings on many changes.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (0sNs1)

267 Hour long show with only 30 minutes of material.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 01, 2026 12:01 PM (qFwJc)

Watching Mr. Inbetween on Hulu.

Hulu sucks.

5 minutes of show, 2.5 minutes of commercials you can't skip.

Really hard to get into what you're watching.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)

268 Hour long show with only 30 minutes of material.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 01, 2026 12:01 PM (qFwJc)
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I enjoyed it.

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 12:03 PM (Q4cxx)

269 Based on articles I've seen it seems pretty clear that there are people getting paid finders fees (kickbacks) to get others to do the MAID treatment.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (n5tGW)
________

The dirty little secret is that "body brokers" have been getting kickbacks to steer patients to certain treatments and centers since the earliest days. Every once in a while there's a prosecution over it, but I'm sure that's only the tip of the iceberg.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at April 01, 2026 12:03 PM (iFTx/)

270 It's not a popular opinion, but I've maintained from the start that Trump will lose the birthright case not because of any of the merits of the issue, but because the President does not have the power to decide an issue like this through an EO. The Court is going to reserve the issue of Constitutional Interpretation for itself, and issue a ruling on that basis.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 01, 2026 11:57 AM (/QdgR)
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The only hope is that the case that set this all up was not determined by the legislature but by the courts. SCOTUS could correct itself. The courts overrode the legislature.

And the courts were wrong.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 01, 2026 12:03 PM (GZYu7)

271 Canada could really save money if they offered one of these machine inside of prisons.

Posted by: Reforger at April 01, 2026 12:04 PM (7WnOb)

272 Now we're doing MASH

Posted by: Archer at April 01, 2026 12:04 PM (wvc0i)

273 They told me that suicide is painless.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (Cqx++)

Only when you take the black pill.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:04 PM (Zz0t1)

274 Well back to work
3 hours to go but my co-worker will only stay until 2 pm

Posted by: Skip at April 01, 2026 12:04 PM (bMfWR)

275 5 minutes of show, 2.5 minutes of commercials you can't skip.

Really hard to get into what you're watching.
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True. I had that problem trying to watch Trailer Park Boys.

Posted by: pudinhead at April 01, 2026 12:04 PM (n17eQ)

276 "First Do No Harm" seems to directly contradict abortion and 40 years of "transgender healthcare".
Posted by: Crusader at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (TN0g+)
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"Harm" is just their "personal truth of Harm".

Come on, no oath or code is going to outlast moderns.

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 12:04 PM (Q4cxx)

277 --------------
True. I had that problem trying to watch Trailer Park Boys.
Posted by: pudinhead at April 01, 2026 12:04 PM (n17eQ)

It was a good thing Shoresy was funny.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:05 PM (Zz0t1)

278 "Harm" is just their "personal truth of Harm".

Come on, no oath or code is going to outlast moderns.
Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 12:04 PM (Q4cxx)

They choose TRUTH over FACTS.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:05 PM (Zz0t1)

279 Hulu sucks.

5 minutes of show, 2.5 minutes of commercials you can't skip.

Really hard to get into what you're watching.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)
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Waaaaaaay back in the day, one of the networks broadcast "Ben Hur" and touted that the first hour? ninety minutes? would be commercial-free. It was, but they made up for it on the back end. It was five minutes of movie, five minutes of commercials. It became a death march.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 01, 2026 12:06 PM (+DAqq)

280 "Harm" is just their "personal truth of Harm".

Come on, no oath or code is going to outlast moderns.
Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 12:04 PM (Q4cxx)

They choose TRUTH over FACTS.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:05 PM (Zz0t1)
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Everything is like the Pirate's Code.

More like a set of suggestions.

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 12:07 PM (Q4cxx)

281 I’m just gonna put this here. This is God almighty speaking…

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deuteronomy 30:19

God alone has sovereignty over life and death. Suicide puts a human in God’s place. It’s wrong. Period

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 01, 2026 12:07 PM (aSzdc)

282 5 minutes of show, 2.5 minutes of commercials you can't skip.

Really hard to get into what you're watching.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)

Subscribe to Hulu ULTRA Premium for a commercial free experience!

I almost unsubbed from amazon when I saw that on prime. But I still order a bunch of stuff.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 12:07 PM (bss/y)

283 Waaaaaaay back in the day, one of the networks broadcast "Ben Hur" and touted that the first hour? ninety minutes? would be commercial-free. It was, but they made up for it on the back end. It was five minutes of movie, five minutes of commercials. It became a death march.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 01, 2026 12:06 PM (+DAqq)

They did similar with Schindler's List. Broadcast 'uninterrupted' with 'intermissions.'

The intermissions were 20 minute commercial breaks.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:08 PM (Zz0t1)

284
The Court is going to reserve the issue of Constitutional Interpretation for itself, and issue a ruling on that basis.
Posted by: Tom Servo

================

Issue a ruling? You mean just as to whether an EO is the proper way to do it, or on birthright citizenship? Exactly how narrow is the question before SCOTUS? From the arguments it sounds broad.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 01, 2026 12:08 PM (n7rxJ)

285 I opted for the ad free plan on Prime. I miss all the psoriasis and ulcerative colitis commercials. Well, not really.

Posted by: tubal at April 01, 2026 12:08 PM (pDt9x)

286 Subscribe to Hulu ULTRA Premium for a commercial free experience!

I almost unsubbed from amazon when I saw that on prime. But I still order a bunch of stuff.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 12:07 PM (bss/y)

Heh. I mooch off others for streaming TV. I take what I can get.

Heh.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:08 PM (Zz0t1)

287 VDH on Fang Fang and Fartswell

https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/
2039320294930665873

Posted by: r hennigantx at April 01, 2026 12:09 PM (/+uur)

288 273 They told me that suicide is painless.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 01, 2026 12:02 PM (Cqx++)

Only when you take the black pill.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:04 PM (Zz0t1)

Oddly, a busty brunette will molest you while you are tranqed out on drugs and you'll feel better.

That movie is just retarded.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 01, 2026 12:09 PM (bss/y)

289 279 Hulu sucks.

5 minutes of show, 2.5 minutes of commercials you can't skip.

Really hard to get into what you're watching.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)

Yeah, never watch anything on Plex either.

And the three Star Treks are off PlutoTV

Posted by: Stateless - Day 13 of 14 or so - extreme dog care at April 01, 2026 12:09 PM (Sco7b)

290 Ben Hur (Willie Wyler version) is my favorite all time movie. It’s a masterpiece…. The actress who played Esther was so beautiful

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 01, 2026 12:10 PM (aSzdc)

291 The dirty little secret is that "body brokers" have been getting kickbacks to steer patients to certain treatments and centers since the earliest days. Every once in a while there's a prosecution over it, but I'm sure that's only the tip of the iceberg.
Posted by: Elric The Blade

Pilot for Made For TV Movie:

Body broker picks on the wrong person. Out of town brother shows up in the nick of time, injects body broker with fentanyl and substitutes body broker for patient.

Hospital finds out too late that they offed a body broker.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 12:10 PM (sUjod)

292 "Harm" is just their "personal truth of Harm".

Come on, no oath or code is going to outlast moderns.
Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 12:04 PM

First, do no haram!

Posted by: Mohamed M. Mohamed at April 01, 2026 12:10 PM (bFu5X)

293 Heard on Chris Plante this morning (so yesterday's show) that over 50% of women who identify themselves as politically liberal see a therapist or take some sort of psychoactive drug for mental illness.

Hoodathunk?

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 12:10 PM (Q4cxx)

294 >>Smart thinking. I'd noticed her absence as well.

Missing Irongrampa - haven't seen him here since December.

Posted by: Nazdar at April 01, 2026 12:11 PM (NcvvS)

295 I read somewhere on X that the Rothchilds took over the Bank of England 3 centuries ago.
And George Soros bankrupted it about 15 years ago.
Fun times.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 01, 2026 11:59 AM (qFwJc)

The Bank of England defaulted during WWI, and everything in modern economics and banking since then has been an attempt to paper over that fact, or get another country to pay the debt back for them.
Even Keynes was just formalizing the practices that the BOE adopted to hide the fact that they were deep in debt and had no way out.

Posted by: Kindltot - Renew, eh? Beauty. at April 01, 2026 12:11 PM (rbvCR)

296
Regardless of any moral stance on self-offing, I'm vehemently against any govt involvement, permission or regulation of suicide. You want to end it all? Do it yourself. Hundreds of thousands of people find a way do it every year all on their own, why should you be any different?

There's something really perverse about setting up a government relationship with suicide where on the one hand they try to talk you into it and provide the means through lethal drugs; and on the other hand they operate suicide crisis hotlines where they try to talk you out of going through with it and getting you the mental health help you need to reduce or eliminate the suicidal urge.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 01, 2026 12:11 PM (QDlji)

297 When I transited Toronto last year, non white passport holders were allowed to skip passport checks.

Posted by: Meh at April 01, 2026 12:11 PM (N462N)

298 Maybe we can change the management on those birthing centers from "Birthing Clinics" to "Planned Parenthood."

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 01, 2026 12:12 PM (qwx/I)

299 Hospital finds out too late that they offed a body broker.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 12:10 PM (sUjod

Saw series. The insurance companies denied him treatment.

They paid....

Posted by: Stateless - Day 13 of 14 or so - extreme dog care at April 01, 2026 12:13 PM (Sco7b)

300 The Court is going to reserve the issue of Constitutional Interpretation for itself, and issue a ruling on that basis.
Posted by: Tom Servo

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That's kind of narrow minded, because the Executive does have to perform executive function.

It's long been allowed for Chief Executives to issue "clarifying statements".

After all, prosecuting only what they wanted was Obama's "prosecutorial discretion".

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 12:13 PM (Q4cxx)

301 There's something really perverse about setting up a government relationship with suicide where on the one hand they try to talk you into it and provide the means through lethal drugs; and on the other hand they operate suicide crisis hotlines where they try to talk you out of going through with it and getting you the mental health help you need to reduce or eliminate the suicidal urge.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 01, 2026 12:11 PM

Are you sure they're trying to talk them out of it, and not just telling them to make sure they choose the clean, professional option?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 01, 2026 12:14 PM (bFu5X)

302 While using my son's Prime account I noticed the ads and mentioned it to him.

He said he upgraded to "no ads" and sure enough, they went away in a few days.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 01, 2026 12:14 PM (qFwJc)

303 Missing Irongrampa - haven't seen him here since December.
Posted by: Nazdar at April 01, 2026 12:11 PM (NcvvS)

Uh oh......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:14 PM (Zz0t1)

304
"The case is submitted."

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 01, 2026 12:14 PM (n7rxJ)

305 234 164 I predict a 6 to 3 scotus against Trump in this case, maybe even 7 to 2, but doesn't matter, a loss is a loss.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

The Court is going to reserve the issue of Constitutional Interpretation for itself, and issue a ruling on that basis.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Unlikely. Rule of Four means that four justices had to want to hear the case. If they were comfortable with the status quo, they would have just let lower court decisions stand.

Alito and Thomas are originalists. Kavanaugh is another more or less originalist. That leaves Gorsuch whose textualism is less than originalist at least on statutory interpretation cases, and ACB who claims to be an originalist. Roberts is a judicial restraint type.

My personal guess is that the Courts will strike down the executive order but throw it to Congress to fix legislatively. That eliminates stripping citizenship retroactively from anchor babies and handing Trump a win. Fits in with prior rulings on immigration law--Congress's power is plenary. Also see Indian citizenship statute.

Posted by: whig at April 01, 2026 12:15 PM (E4rtv)

306
Saw series. The insurance companies denied him treatment.

They paid....
Posted by: Stateless - Day 13 of 14 or so - extreme dog care at April 01, 2026 12:13 PM (Sco7b)

Aren't you just supposed to off the company CEO?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:16 PM (Zz0t1)

307 One thing about Trump's EO on the birthright citizenship that keeps being over-looked (intentionally) is that he wrote it to be forward-looking only.

It does not apply to children already here.

but, the left is pouring all their efforts into trying to make the argument about kicking out 50 year olds born here decades ago.

Because, if it only applies going forward, none of their sob stories and tales of woe mean anything.

And that's all they have in support of their arguments.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 01, 2026 12:17 PM (HXT0k)

308 There's something really perverse about setting up a government relationship with suicide where on the one hand they try to talk you into it and provide the means through lethal drugs; and on the other hand they operate suicide crisis hotlines where they try to talk you out of going through with it and getting you the mental health help you need to reduce or eliminate the suicidal urge.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 01, 2026 12:11 PM
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Mussolini explained it this way: "Nothing outside of the state".

People calling the suicide helpline are 1) trying not to kill themselves, or 2) not filling out the right forms first.

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 12:17 PM (Q4cxx)

309
OT but I have not seen Fenelon around much.

=================

She's almost always around in the early morning.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 01, 2026 12:17 PM (n7rxJ)

310 My personal guess is that the Courts will strike down the executive order but throw it to Congress to fix legislatively. That eliminates stripping citizenship retroactively from anchor babies and handing Trump a win. Fits in with prior rulings on immigration law--Congress's power is plenary. Also see Indian citizenship statute.
Posted by: whig

Split the baby.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 12:17 PM (sUjod)

311 Whenever I'm trying to decide whom to vote for in America "memorizer of the Quran" is always my number one priority.

Posted by: SMOD at April 01, 2026 12:17 PM (RHGPo)

312
Are you sure they're trying to talk them out of it, and not just telling them to make sure they choose the clean, professional option?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 01, 2026 12:14 PM (bFu5X)

Good point. Nowadays it wouldn't surprise me, but before this government sanctioned suicide shit lately, they at least tried to prop themselves up as anti-suicide in public.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 01, 2026 12:17 PM (QDlji)

313 Aren't you just supposed to off the company CEO?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:16 PM (Zz0t1

And those just following orders...

Posted by: Stateless - Day 13 of 14 or so - extreme dog care at April 01, 2026 12:17 PM (Sco7b)

314 Split the baby.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 12:17 PM (sUjod)

They're good at doing that

Posted by: It's me donna at April 01, 2026 12:18 PM (eANu3)

315 Waiting for SCOTUS...like Waiting for Godot but more painful.

Trump is apparently the first sitting president ever to attend SCOTUS hearings? I feel like dem presidents will pounce on that idea and steal it, and use it for political theater going forward.

Posted by: LizLem at April 01, 2026 12:18 PM (gWBY1)

316 Split the baby.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2026 12:17 PM (sUjod)

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It vacuums out so much better that way.

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 12:19 PM (Q4cxx)

317 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 01, 2026 12:19 PM (Zz0t1)

318 Sounds like the ultimate Boomer justice Roberts is skeptical --

SG: 8 billion people are a plane ride away from being an American citizen.

John Roberts -- It's a new world but the same Constitution.

So the Boomer mentality is everything we oversee will leave the world a worse place, but that's just how the cookie crumbles.

Unless it affects Social Security.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 01, 2026 12:20 PM (qwx/I)

319 Whenever I'm trying to decide whom to vote for in America "memorizer of the Quran" is always my number one priority.
Posted by: SMOD at April 01, 2026 12:17 PM (RHGPo)
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For me that can't have that "Declined" symbol by their name "(D)".

Posted by: Axeman at April 01, 2026 12:20 PM (Q4cxx)

320
the Courts will strike down the executive order but throw it to Congress to fix legislatively.

===============

So, dead again.

Meanwhile, the San Francisco Examiner is downright Hochul-esque about it:

>>thousands of residents would lose their eligibility for federal programs that provide needed food, housing and health care, forcing the city to spend millions of dollars it cannot afford — or turn its back on children of immigrants.

Flat out. ALL American taxpayers must support kids of "immigrants." We San Franciscans alone can't afford our generosity with OPM.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 01, 2026 12:20 PM (n7rxJ)

321
Commercials? VPN and BitTorrent FTW. Fuck those fucks in fucking Hollywood.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 01, 2026 12:21 PM (QDlji)

322 I, also, have noted IG's absence.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 01, 2026 12:22 PM (XeU6L)

323 The only hope is that the case that set this all up was not determined by the legislature but by the courts. SCOTUS could correct itself. The courts overrode the legislature.

And the courts were wrong.
Posted by: Black JEM
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Wrong way to read Wong Ark Kim. Basically both parents were legal residents and the son was born here while that was so. They went back to China and Wong Ark was denied reentry.

The lazy assumption since the 1920's was that the subject to the jurisdiction thereof meant jus soli so anyone could be American if they were born on magic dirt.

What they ignore is that it took an act of Congress to make Indians not taxable (reservations) citizens in the 1920's under Coolidge Administration. Coolidge's VP was actually Native American in part.

The whole impetus of the 13th to 15th Amendments were to get rid of the Dred Scott v San(d)ford decision. Too long to go into all of it but it specifically denied that blacks could be citizens of the United States whether free or slaves. And misread the Declaration of Independence to do so.

Posted by: whig at April 01, 2026 12:23 PM (E4rtv)

324 You don't have to strip citizenship retroactively, just call it the date of the decision moving forward. Things have changed and there is an active threat to the country from the current interpretation of citizenship. But it's all just philosophizing at this point I think. The courts won't fix it, legislatively is impossible and an EO won't apparently work.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 01, 2026 12:24 PM (n5tGW)

325 Split the baby.
Posted by: rickb223
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Something like that if Roberts has anything to do a decision to limit birthright citizenship entirely is on the table. He will flip to the majority in order to try to control and limit the opinion.

Warren Burger used to do the same shit. Nasty political critters disguised as judges. And even the liberals Marshall and Brennan were glad when Burger resigned and Rehnquist took his place. Rehnquist as chief did not play the political games that Burger did.

Posted by: whig at April 01, 2026 12:25 PM (E4rtv)

326 In the workplace, there's a particularly nasty strategy of making people so miserable they quit, rather than forcing their employer to fire them. It happened to me just last year.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 01, 2026 11:07 AM (ESVrU)

It's called a 'constructive discharge,' and employees in certain sectors have extensive protections against it.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at April 01, 2026 12:26 PM (FmapG)

327 324 You don't have to strip citizenship retroactively, just call it the date of the decision moving forward. Things have changed and there is an active threat to the country from the current interpretation of citizenship. But it's all just philosophizing at this point I think. The courts won't fix it, legislatively is impossible and an EO won't apparently work.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
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I think legislatively it is possible, but not with our current GOP types in the Senate. Public is getting more and more comfortable with sending people back, ignoring Big Business on H1Bs, and the wailing of the Dems to keep despicable people in the US is not helping the open borders cause.

Once deportations become a statistic rather than individual stories, it builds in a new Overton window. Muzzies being muzzies is another sore spot and people are tired of their shit.

Posted by: whig at April 01, 2026 12:28 PM (E4rtv)

328 324 You don't have to strip citizenship retroactively, just call it the date of the decision moving forward. Things have changed and there is an active threat to the country from the current interpretation of citizenship. But it's all just philosophizing at this point I think. The courts won't fix it, legislatively is impossible and an EO won't apparently work.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
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I've seen that done on criminal sentencing but not in general application. Creates a lot of work there.

And to some extent, we are in this situation because Congress has abrogated its job pretty much because of the US Senate and the filibuster on any substantial non budgetary legislation.

Posted by: whig at April 01, 2026 12:30 PM (E4rtv)

329 Death Cafes, which began in London, UK, have rapidly expanded around the US as have positions of Death Doulas, of course.

Attended a program through the local library recently to see what it was about. Many in attendance were actually looking for grief services after losing loved ones, others were exploring the availability of hospice services and how they're paid for through Medicare/Medicaid or private insurance. Just a few attendees were looking for answers on how to be prepared for death - theirs or others.

In the end, it seemed to be a business assisting in planning one's death, from coordinating Wills & Estates, helping with Living Wills and Advance Directives, coordinating care and/or respite, assisting in the final preparations, taking some of the burden from the dying and/or their families - depending.

Green burials, etc. were discussed, but also that PA does not yet allow the practices of euthanasia or aquamation.
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Traveling Death Doula Series: Switzerland

"Then I learned about physician-assisted dying (PAD).
Now I’m a traveling death doula, and the laws in Switzerland around death/dying are unique..."
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It brings me no comfort.

Posted by: Trying to fuhgeddaboudit at April 01, 2026 12:30 PM (NFX2v)

330 If you try to kill a murderer in any of these countries, expect the forces of hell (literally!) to stand against it.

We are dealing with great evil.

Posted by: TheMewTwix at April 01, 2026 12:38 PM (XodLO)

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