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Sunday Morning Book Thread - 12-21-2025 ["Perfessor" Squirrel]
Welcome to the prestigious, internationally acclaimed, stately, and illustrious Sunday Morning Book Thread! The place where all readers are welcome, regardless of whatever guilty pleasure we feel like reading (Jesus Christ was born!). Here is where we can discuss, argue, bicker, quibble, consider, debate, confabulate, converse, and jaw about our latest fancy in reading material. As always, pants are required, unless you are wearing these pants...(HT: TheJamesMadison was unavailable for comment)
So relax, find yourself a warm kitty (or warm puppy--I won't judge) to curl up in your lap, sneak a peek at a Christmas present under the tree, and dive into a new book. What are YOU reading this fine morning?
PIC NOTE
As much as we like to tear AI apart, sometimes it does amazing work. I described the scene as pictured above and Grok really came through for me! Now the real question is when is Musk going to develop his army of robot squirrels to gather nuts for me?
WRITING A BOOK AS A LIPPOGRAM
I had heard of this book, but didn't know much about it until now. Imagine the creative thinking that has to go into writing a 50,000 word novel that doesn't use the letter "e." Not once. That's some serious OCD at work. Not for me. Science fiction authors Stephen Baxter and Frederick Pohl would also struggle with this. Stephen Baxter created the Xeelee Sequence of novels, which chronicle mankind's aeons-long battle against ancient aliens nearly as old as creation itself. Frederick Pohl wrote the Heechee Saga, where mankind discovers alien technology they don't understand but can exploit to expand our horizons and escape an overcrowded, resource-exhausted Earth.
Other authors have taken up the challenge, to varying levels of success, I guess. I suppose now we could simply ask Generative AI to write a story that doesn't use the letter "e." Or any other letter. Or maybe write a story only using the letter "e."
One of our regular commenters is already well on his way:
How long before we csn stsrt going lord of the flies snd stsrt msking pointy sticks. Becsuse I've got s lot of sticks out bsck, msny of them slresdy very pointy.
Posted by: bsnsns Dresm at December 19, 2025 12:58 PM (3uBP9)
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5 SCI-FI CLICHES TO AVOID
Here are the cliches:
Scientific Info Dumps -- A lot of stories are guilty of this when the author is trying to convey information about the world to the reader. When done well, it feels natural, because we are experiencing the information as a character would. When done poorly, one character is telling another character information the second character already knows.
Aliens with Silly Weaknesses -- Unless a story is comedic, writers should avoid this at all costs! Aliens should feel, well, ALIEN, thus if they are antagonists, then the heroes should really struggle to find an alien's Achilles heel. Making them vulnerable to a common substance (like water in Signs) is dumb and makes the aliens look stupid and impotent. Doctor Who is full of examples of this.
Slopppy Time Travel -- Time travel stories are among the most challenging to write if you want to maintain a certain level of consistency in a timeline. The most common "out" is to explain it via multi-verse theory. The problem is that this can also be very difficult to explain to your audience well. It also opens up more plotholes and paradoxes.
Rushed Romance -- I've seen this in a few stories, but it's not confined to just science fiction. Any genre can suffer from this problem if the characters are not well-developed. Including romance subplots means focusing on the characters and their relationships more than focusing on just the science and technology within the story. Not ever author is going to take the time to explore both aspects in sufficient detail to lead to a satisfying outcome. One or the other will suffer as a result.
Tech Ex Machina -- Sometimes this can work, but it can also lead to a rushed and unsatisfying ending because the end result was "too easy." There's nothing wrong with introducing a new technology in a story that resolves plot threads, but the outcome needs to feel as though it's a natural result, rather than a way to fix a plot hole. The Last Jedi movie was quite guilty of this with the "Holdo Maneuver." This new application of technology absolutely WRECKED space travel and warfare in the Star Wars Expanded Universe. Neither Rian Johnson nor J.J. Abrams can write their way out of a paper bag, so J.J.'s dumb explanation for it in The Rise of Skywalker was, "It was a million-to-one shot!" as though he'd just fallen and landed on Fusilli Jerry.
Note that cliches in and of themselves aren't necessarily bad writing. We use cliches for a reason and when they work well, they can make a story entertaining to read or watch on television. The Sherlock Holmes/Agatha Christie style mystery has been done to death by countless authors and television shows, but we still enjoy them.
Of course, as Brandon points out, they can be overused and thus become annoying to the reader/viewer. Or the author simply doesn't know how to use them effectively within the story.
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BOOKS BY MORONS
Sarah A. Hoyt has a new Christmas-themed collection she's just released:
Christmas In Time: A Collection of Short Stories
(Sarah A. Hoyt's Short Story Collections)
Christmas In Time: Six Stories of Time Travel and Second Chances (Amazon Link)
Time is not an Ocean. But then again it is.
From award-winning author Sarah A. Hoyt come six tales of time travel, parallel worlds, and the furthest reaches of space—all bound together by Christmas miracles and the choices that define us.
Meet Time Corps agents who risk madness to prevent reality from splintering. Follow a mathematician pulled into a parallel universe where his twin captains starships between worlds. Watch as mysterious children arrive from impossible futures, and discover Victorian lighthouses that serve as anchors in the storm of time itself. Journey from blood-soaked space stations to asteroid colonies at the edge of the known universe.
This collection includes "What Child Is This," a prequel to Hoyt's acclaimed novel No Man's Land, revealing how a child's accidental time-slip can save a man’s life and create the bonds of family love.
MORON RECOMMENDATIONS
I read Shroud by Adrian Tchaikovsky. I've read a lot of science fiction and I don't know how I missed this author. Shroud is a high-gravity, high-pressure, zero-oxygen moon. It is pitch black, but alive with radio activity. Due to an accident, Juna and Mai are forced to make an emergency landing there in their small, barely adequate vehicle. Unable to contact their ship, they are force to journey across land, sea, and air. Chapters alternate between the human viewpoint and the viewpoint of Shroud's dominate species as they try to understand each other. Fascinating story, interesting characters.
Posted by: Zoltan at December 14, 2025 10:51 AM (VOrDg)
Comment: I almost bought Shroud when I was looking at Adrian Tchaikovsky stories, but decided to go for his Final Architecture series. It sounded interesting, sort of like Pitch Black in some ways. I'm not a huge fan of survival stories, so I decided against it in the end. Maybe if I like The Final Architecture I'll come back and revisit this.
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Started my traditional Christmas books. This week was The Christmas Cantata, one of the Liturgical Mysteries series by Mark Schweizer. An older friend, now gone, got me a signed hardcover edition as a gift. I was already a fan of the series. This one is a mystery but not a murder mystery. It is heartbreakingly poignant at times, includes his trademark humor, and is a story of redemption and acceptance. I fell in love with it on that first reading years ago and look forward to it every season.
Posted by: JTB at December 14, 2025 10:49 AM (yTvNw)
Comment: Since Christmas is just around the corner, I thought it would be nice to highlight Moron-recommended uplifting literature. It's always nice to have a spiritual pick-me-up when I am feeling low. Or when it feels like the world is spiraling into utter chaos. There is always a plan, even when we can't see it. HE can see it, which is good enough for me. I'll simply try to play my role in His grand design.
Both of my bosses were kind enough to give me a couple of gift cards as a small token of appreciation for my work, so I naturally spent them on books. I used one to buy the first book of a series, another to buy the second book, and then went ahead and purchased the third book on my own:
The Final Architecture Book 1 - Shards of Earth by Adrian Tchaikovsky
The Final Architecture Book 2 - Eyes of the Void by Adrian Tchaikovsky
The Final Architecture Book 3 - Lords of Uncreation by Adrian Tchaikovksy
WHAT I'VE BEEN READING THIS PAST WEEK:
Star Trek - The Next Generation - Masks by John Vorholt
Like most Star Trek novels, this is an extended episode. In fact, it reads very much like it might have been a storyline from ST: TNG that was abandoned for some reason. Maybe it was too long. Maybe the showrunners felt they couldn't do it justice. Doesn't matter. I just strapped myself in and enjoyed a pleasant stroll across the world of Lorca as seen through the eyes of the crew of the USS Enterprise-D
Storywise, two hundred years ago (give or take), an Earth colony ship carrying a troupe of minstrel performers crashlanded on Lorca. The tectonic instability and other environmental factors destroyed much of their technology, so the survivors cobbled together a quasi-medieval society with a highly-stratisfied caste system based on masks. Everyone wears a mask all the time and your mask identifies your role in society. You can challenge others for their mask via duels as a way to advance in society. Otherwise, you are stuck as a peasant mask. Naturally, the higher the rank, the more elaborate the mask. The most valuable and important mask is the Wisdom Mask. Whomever wears that has earned the right to be the leader of all Lorcan society.
Against this background, the crew of the Enterprise are bringing a Federation ambassador to welcome the Lorcans back into Federation society after being rediscovered recently. Oddly, the Prime Directive is in effect because they are now a pre-warp civilization, even though they had warp-drive technology in the past. The Federation ambassador has his own agenda for Lorcan society. The Ferengi also get involved because they've been exploiting the Lorcans for their masks, which they can sell for profit on the black market.
As I mentioned, it's really just an extended episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. There's even a mid-episode cliffhanger when Captain Picard is presumed dead (minor spoiler: he isn't).
Eternity's End by Jeffrey A. Carver
I picked this up at my most recent public library book sale. It's the story of a man who escapes a pirate fortress in space, only to be recruited for a top-secret mission by an alien race to find out what those rascally pirates are really up to. I think Carver was influenced by both Cordwainer Smith and Frank Herbert. His description of space travel through the dangerous, chaotic Flux sounds exactly like something Smith or Herbert would write. Legroeder, the main protagonist, belonged to the Rigger Guild before he was abandoned by them for reasons he's still trying to understand. "Rigging" is some sort of psychic ability to navigate the pathways through the Flux (hyperspace). The Flux has dep layers to it that are extremely hazardous to space travel, but may also hold many secrets. Carver has decent world-building skills here. Legroeder is an "everyman" who has been given some training, but nevertheless serves as the audience surrogate for this strange universe. There's also a fair amount of political intrigue. A starliner was lost in the Flux over a hundred years ago. From time to time, people report seeing it again. However, the Centrist worlds are bound and determined to squash any information about it, and will go to any lengths to prevent Legroeder from divulging information about the lost ship or even seeking more answers. They even framed him for murder to try and shut him up (when they weren't trying to assassinate him outright.)
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Doing a re-read of The First Russian Revolution the Decembrest Revolt by Susanna Rabow-Edling
Friday is the 200th anniversary of the Decembrest Revolt
Calendar they used it was Dec 14 but it was 12 days behind what was used elsewhere.
Its a fascinating read
Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2025 09:00 AM (Ia/+0)
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 21, 2025 09:02 AM (znREB)
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Morning, Book Folken! Love the pipe detail in the top pic, Perfessor. Looks like a bent billiard he's (or you are) smoking!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:01 AM (wzUl9)
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I added it just for you!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:04 AM (kpS4V)
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Finished Melancholy Baby, the third or fourth in Robert Parker's own Sunny Randall series. She is a Boston private eye, formerly a cop and the daughter of one, divorced from a fellow who is related to (but not part of) a crime family. She lives with her bull terrier, Rosie, and is trying to learn to paint, as in art. She is not anti-male in the least, has no objection to asking for help from men she trusts, but has problems about letting go of her ex-husband. Ex-husband in this novel has just gotten married. So Sunny goes to a shrink . . . Dr. Susan Silverman of the Spenser series!
As far as I know, Parker never had Sunny meet Spenser (though she does meet and have an affair with Jesse Stone). Not sure if anybody has "continued" this series since Parker's death, or if there's ever been a film adaptation. They are fun reads, though.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:06 AM (wzUl9)
13Morning, Book Folken! Love the pipe detail in the top pic, Perfessor. Looks like a bent billiard he's (or you are) smoking!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025
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I added it just for you!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2025
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Then I shall have to light my morning pipe as we go along here!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:07 AM (wzUl9)
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Nice Squirrel pic up top, Perfessor. Worth transferring to black velvet and hanging in the library.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:07 AM (kpS4V)
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I was browsing FB (sorry), and it amused me that a group called "all slaying, no laying " - it's a group to talk about urban fantasy that is not romance-centered.
I guess I am not the only romantasy- averse female reader in the world
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 21, 2025 09:07 AM (znREB)
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Hello!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 21, 2025 08:59 AM (ZOv7s)
Here's something weird. Do you work on more than one book at a time? I'm doing two and just noticed the word count on both are only two off. One is 22,110 and the other is 22,112.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:08 AM (uQesX)
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Now the real question is when is Musk going to develop his army of robot squirrels to gather nuts for me?
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Elon is doing OK.
Tesla Stock Surge Pushes Elon Musk’s Net Worth to Twice His Closest Rival’s
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 21, 2025 09:08 AM (L/fGl)
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Nothing like Lovecraft on a bitterly cold and grimly gray day. "The Colour Out of Space" is one of his best, about the deleterious effects of a crashed meteor(ite) on a small backwoods New England town.
"April brought a kind of madness to the country folk, and began that disuse of the road past Nahum's which led to its ultimate abandonment. It was the vegetation. All the orchard trees blossomed forth in strange colours, and through the stony soil of the yard and adjacent pasturage there sprang up a bizarre growth which only a botanist could connect with the proper flora of the region. No sane wholesome colours were anywhere to be seen except in the green grass and leafage; but everywhere those hectic and prismatic variants of some diseased, underlying primary tone without a place among the known tints of earth. The Dutchman's breeches became a thing of sinister menace, and the bloodroots grew insolent in their chromatic perversion."
Chromatic perversion!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:10 AM (kpS4V)
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Currently I'm reading the second (I think) in Anthony Horowitz's series in which the conceit is that he himself, the writer, is working with the former cop, Daniel Hawthorne, on murder cases. This one is The Word Is Murder. It's mentioned several times in the next book, The Twist of a Knife. That one had some solid puzzle elements, so I'm hoping this one will too.
The murder victim, for instance, was killed the very day she planned her funeral . . . and for some reason, asked for a "cardboard coffin"!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:10 AM (wzUl9)
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I added it just for you!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2025 09:02 AM (ESVrU)
Looks like generic smiley face isn't working. Noticed it a few days ago.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:10 AM (uQesX)
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5 Read only internet. That counts, doesn't it?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:01 AM
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I read about 30 yards of it this week.
Most of it here.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 21, 2025 09:10 AM (yvUHm)
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If I were to write a book without a letter, I would probably pick the letter Q. Sounds easier.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 09:10 AM (0U5gm)
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That fifth cliche seems to be in play in the "Girl Genius" comics. It really feels as if the series is hurtling toward a conclusion. I think the Foglios are feeling their age and want to finish the series before either of them suffers Author Existence Failure (h/t TVTropes).
Posted by: Weak Geek at December 21, 2025 09:12 AM (p/isN)
Posted by: Future generations at December 21, 2025 09:12 AM (yvUHm)
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If I were to write a book without a letter, I would probably pick the letter Q. Sounds easier.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 09:10 AM (0U5gm)
Well, if you do, we know it won't be about Sam Brinton or Richard Levine.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:12 AM (uQesX)
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Only reading this past week has been either related to work or current events. I've opened several Morning Report tabs, and they're patiently awaiting their turn.
Instead, I blew free time on Dean Martin's Matt Helm movies on YouTube. Pheew, those were bad. But now I know just how bad.
I can't overly fault the movies, however. After all, they got a teen-aged WG to pick up his first Helm book, "The Interlopers." Highest recommendation.
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Happy Christmas to all in the Horde!
Posted by: Weak Geek at December 21, 2025 09:12 AM (p/isN)
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For some (very) short Christmas reading you might check out "The Camel's Question" by Jeff Duntemann at Amazon. It's only 14 pages but both husband and I enjoyed it and I find myself thinking about it often during these days of Advent. Free on Kindle Unlimited and $0.99 otherwise.
Here's the synopsis: In this short Christmas fable, three camels carry the Wise Men to Bethlehem, where the Christ Child speaks to them in their own language, and grants each their heart's desire. For two of the camels, their desires are simple and easily granted. The third camel asks a difficult question of the infant Christ, but Christ answers Hanekh the Camel nonetheless, in a way that Hanekh could not have predicted.
Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at December 21, 2025 09:15 AM (FEVMW)
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Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of reading. Mine has been lovely.
Posted by: JTB at December 21, 2025 09:15 AM (yTvNw)
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I read about 30 yards of it this week.
Most of it here.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 21, 2025 09:10 AM (yvUHm)
I have such a backlog of recs from RacPress for pulps I need to start reading them. I also have three kindle books I bought months ago still waiting to be added. The internet is such a time sink.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:15 AM (uQesX)
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Started a couple of different books but didn't make much progress in either, so I got nothin' this time. If I go silent for a while don't panic -- taking Dr. Mrs. T. on a Christmas break trip to someplace warm.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 21, 2025 09:15 AM (78a2H)
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If I were to write a book without a letter, I would probably pick the letter Q. Sounds easier.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 09:10 AM
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You'll have to include me.
Posted by: The Letter U at December 21, 2025 09:15 AM (yvUHm)
Revisited Robert Silverberg's novel Nightwings over the last couple of days. Liked it a lot. Now trying to decide where to go next. More Silverberg? More Simenon? Back to Nabokov? More Malzberg? Some Malamud? Some non-fiction to educate myself about something at this late date? Decisions...
I can dimly remember a time when I had no trouble deciding what to read next. Dimly.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at December 21, 2025 09:15 AM (q3u5l)
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Instead, I blew free time on Dean Martin's Matt Helm movies on YouTube. Pheew, those were bad. But now I know just how bad.
I can't overly fault the movies, however. After all, they got a teen-aged WG to pick up his first Helm book, "The Interlopers." Highest recommendation.
Posted by: Weak Geek at December 21, 2025 09:12 AM (p/isN)
I don't think they were meant to be good, just fun. I always like watching them. Such a better time to be alive, although I don't remember all that much until the Summer of Love.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:17 AM (uQesX)
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Doing a re-read of The First Russian Revolution the Decembrest Revolt by Susanna Rabow-Edling
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There is a theory that the entire point of War and Peace is to serve as a prequel to the Decembrest Revolt.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 21, 2025 09:18 AM (L/fGl)
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How does one clear the name of an accused murderer if he refuses to cooperate, is also a duke, and your brother? This is the quandary facing Lord Peter Wimsey in Dorothy Sayers' Clouds of Witness. In the story, the fiance of their sister is found dying of a gunshot wound in the middle of the night, in the Duke of Denver's lodge with the Duke standing over him.
Peter Wimsey immediately races to the scene to try and clear his brother, but the Duke refuses to discuss the case, relying on the House of Lords to clear him. Wimsey must trace the clues of fiance Cathcart's life and death to find out the truth. He must travel to Paris and then eventually New York to ferret out the answers, and then make a risky transatlantic flight to produce his evidence before the House.
The story involves several twists, including a member of the socialist party who is an additional suitor for his sister, a nearly fatal encounter in a bog near the manor, and dissembling by both his brother and sister. With a twist at the end, Wimsey wraps up the case with a shocking testimony in the House of Lords. This is another clever novel from one of the titans of the golden age of British mysteries.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 09:18 AM (0U5gm)
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This week, too, I stopped at the library to stock up on books for the holiday week. I have two late Larry McMurtrys (the Berrybender saga), a Parker Western with Virgil and Hitch, and three nonfiction tomes: James Herriott's second, All Things Bright and Beautiful; a memoir by James L. Burrows, the sitcom writer/producer; and Zeus, an exploration of the myths about the Olympian Big Guy and of the history of how Zeus' stories "grew from the soil of Greece." Ought to be fascinating.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:19 AM (wzUl9)
Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2025 09:19 AM (Ia/+0)
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We have a Matt Helm reference, now we need a Tolkien one. Come on, people! You can do it!
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 21, 2025 09:21 AM (lLEcp)
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Do rhunes count as letters?
Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2025 09:19 AM (Ia/+0)
NO! Everything was going my way until those northerners came along and runed everything!
Posted by: The Alphabet at December 21, 2025 09:22 AM (uQesX)
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I love that top photo/image. Talk about a touching, pleasant and comfortable scene. (Yes, I'm wondering if that is an acorn flavored tobacco in the pipe.) Well done, Perfessor.
I don't mind AI when it is acknowledged and used as a tool. This might be one of the best uses of it I've seen.
Posted by: JTB at December 21, 2025 09:22 AM (yTvNw)
Posted by: Star Trek Reference at December 21, 2025 09:23 AM (uQesX)
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Yes they were bond imitations as witj derek flint
Helm was more hardboilrd in the fleming sense
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:23 AM (bXbFr)
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The pants feature a camouflage pattern which was fortunately rejected by the Space Force.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 21, 2025 09:24 AM (lLEcp)
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Just yesterday I finished the romance novel that I wrote on a dare and challenge from the other contributors at Chicagoboyz.net - I got it up on Amazon Kindle (print to follow) and it got approved within hours for pre-order!
It's a bit out of my usual, being a Hallmark-Romance-Flannel-Shirt kind of thing, but the challenge was to create a popular story with a college-grad woman getting together with a blue-collar independent working man ... which IRL apparently doesn't happen all that much. So the guys challenged me to contribute something about turning that around, so here it is -
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GB2N57PK
Sarah Hoyt did the cover for me, by the way - intended to hit all the marks for a sweet romance of this kind.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom at December 21, 2025 09:24 AM (Ew3fm)
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Haven't seen the Helm movies since high school. Did re-watch The Young Lions this week, though. Brando, Clift, Martin, and Maximilian Schell. Also Barbara Rush and an impossibly young Hope Lange. Liked the movie, but it REALLY did a number on Irwin Shaw's novel by turning the portrayal of Brando's Nazi character Christian Diestl upside-down and inside-out; in the movie, he's more disillusioned by the day, but in the book, he's a true believer in the cause. The movie's okay, but the book's better. Imagine that.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at December 21, 2025 09:25 AM (q3u5l)
46Including romance subplots means focusing on the characters and their relationships more than focusing on just the science and technology within the story. Not ever author is going to take the time to explore both aspects in sufficient detail to lead to a satisfying outcome
Not a problem for me.
Posted by: Minotaur author at December 21, 2025 09:25 AM (0sNs1)
Annotated Lovecraft, Vol. I
Grant bio
"Gunfight on Europa Station", a Weird West SF short story collection
"A Cold Legacy" , third in the Madman's Daughter trilogy
May start a TR bio by Bret Baier (I know, I know) titled "To Rescue the American Spirit: Teddy Roosevelt and the Birth of a Superpower". I'm a Teddyphile but always learn something new.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:25 AM (kpS4V)
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They messed with the formula when han was willy nilly hyperjumping in force awakening
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:25 AM (bXbFr)
Posted by: Yankee Candle at December 21, 2025 09:25 AM (yvUHm)
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I'm here.
Posted by: Star Trek Reference at December 21, 2025 09:23 AM (uQesX)
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Thank Vaal! I thought we were lost!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:27 AM (kpS4V)
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“ The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.”
Jeremiah 23:5
Posted by: Marcus T at December 21, 2025 09:28 AM (fnAaR)
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The mechanics of hyper spacevtravel wasnt clearly explained
Similarly with time travel and the likely multiverse which came about generations later with hugh everitt
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:28 AM (bXbFr)
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That's a meaty and substantial book haul, Perfessor. How do you justify staying inside to read if there are no blizzards?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:29 AM (kpS4V)
54Helm was more hardboilrd in the fleming sense
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025
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In the novels, Helm was more hardboiled in the Hammett/Chandler sense. Very American; after all, he grew up in New Mexico and was perfectly happy driving a pickup truck!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:29 AM (wzUl9)
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Thank Vaal! I thought we were lost!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:27 AM (kpS4V)
You win the golden apple! But, you may have to fight some Greeks for it.
Posted by: Star Trek Reference at December 21, 2025 09:30 AM (uQesX)
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One assumes a large body like a star would oull you out of hyperspace
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:31 AM (bXbFr)
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Continuing with my program of Christmas season reading. First was The Golden Christmas by William Gilmore Simms. It describes, with wonderful humor and characters, a Christmas in 1850s Charleston, SC.
Next was Letters Father Christmas by JRR Tolkien. (Obligatory Tolkien reference.) When his children were young, he wrote and illustrated a 'letter' to them from Father Christmas telling about the year at the North Pole. It is inventive, creative, and the effort that went into them speaks volumes about Tolkien the man and father. He even put a return address and drew a post mark on the envelope. The book is utterly charming. There are a few items that are echoed in LOTR and The Hobbit written long after.
It says a lot that his children held onto them for the better part of a century so they could be published a few years ago.
Posted by: JTB at December 21, 2025 09:32 AM (yTvNw)
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The mechanics of hyper spacevtravel wasnt clearly explained
Similarly with time travel and the likely multiverse which came about generations later with hugh everitt
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:28 AM (bXbFr)
How can you really explain something that's impossible to do? That was one criticism I had from a beta reader. I was told space travel wasn't like that. How the hell do we know? We've never done it! Hanging around the moon and earth ain't interstellar space travel.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:33 AM (uQesX)
Posted by: muldoon at December 21, 2025 09:33 AM (/iMjX)
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Christopher paolinis voluminous space opera tried to actually work out the science of ftl travel but its steve erickson dense
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:34 AM (bXbFr)
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I read the first five or six Lord Peter Wimsey mysteries when I was in high school, but haven't revisited them since except for the first, Whose Body? Wimsey was a product of the Twenties -- WB was published in '23, I think -- and so a transatlantic flight in 1924 or so, three years before Lindbergh, would indeed have been risky.
When I was a teen I had no idea what Wimsey's world would have looked like. Now, thanks to the later parts of Downton Abbey, I can picture the clothes, hairstyles, and cars.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:34 AM (wzUl9)
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I'm trying to read here and Lily the Cat demands attention.
I must apply five minutes of undivided focus and skritches or I will not be left in peace.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:34 AM (kpS4V)
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Due to the aforementioned trip someplace warm, this is the first year since . . . well, basically since I was born, that I won't be "keeping Christmas" at home. Feels kind of weird, not putting up a tree. I did get everybody presents, and gave a big fat present to UPS's shareholders and employees when I sent them all out.
I shall have to do a big elaborate Fourth of July barbecue to make up for it.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 21, 2025 09:34 AM (78a2H)
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Here's something weird. Do you work on more than one book at a time? I'm doing two and just noticed the word count on both are only two off. One is 22,110 and the other is 22,112.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:08 AM (uQesX)
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No, each book is a manic episode until it is finished. I've been bouncing around on various projects for a while, and doing a rules revision on Conqueror is now my entire focus. It only start writing when it feel "ripe." Forcing the issue never works, but often I come back to an abandoned project.
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Certainly stsr wars is fantasy with sciency sprinkles
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:35 AM (bXbFr)
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When I was a teen I had no idea what Wimsey's world would have looked like. Now, thanks to the later parts of Downton Abbey, I can picture the clothes, hairstyles, and cars.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:34 AM (wzUl9)
There was at least one LPW series. I think they kept it in his time, not modern dress. Was on PBS here.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:35 AM (uQesX)
Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2025 09:35 AM (LHPAg)
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Speaking of Adrian Tchaikovsky, the Humble Bundle website is currently hosting a sale for ebooks from him. None of the title mentioned by the Perfessor, though.
Posted by: Castle Guy at December 21, 2025 09:35 AM (Lhaco)
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Silly alien weaknesses.
I read s short story long ago where nice winged angels got drunk on coffee
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 21, 2025 09:35 AM (eZ5tL)
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The Matt Helm movies. I remain convinced that the studio bought the rights without reading the books, cast Dean Martin because he was available, and then had a Pitch Meeting:
Boss: What do you have for me?
Writer: It's a story about a remorseless Government assassin who kills lots of people.
Boss: This is 1965. That's kind of dark. Can you turn it into a zany sex-comedy?
Writer: That will be super easy! Barely an inconvenience!
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 21, 2025 09:35 AM (lLEcp)
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Chromatic perversion!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:10 AM (kpS4V)
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Lovecraft, like his friend R.E. Howard, did tend to veer into self-parody at times.
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:37 AM (bXbFr)
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I'm trying to read here and Lily the Cat demands attention.
I must apply five minutes of undivided focus and skritches or I will not be left in peace.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:34 AM (kpS4V)
Do so. I found a neighbor's cat on the side of the road yesterday morning. He seemed genuinely heartbroken, even though it was an outside cat.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:37 AM (uQesX)
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That's a meaty and substantial book haul, Perfessor. How do you justify staying inside to read if there are no blizzards?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:29 AM (kpS4V)
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I'm a lazy couch potato.
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Eris: are you reading the annotated Lovecraft done by Leslie Klinger? I confess I was a wee bit disappointed in that one. He takes it as given that Lovecraft's fictional towns are "really" Salem, Newburyport, etc., and then wastes a lot of effort noting how the towns described in the stories don't match the "real" places. Well, duh. When HPL used a real place like Providence or Brooklyn, he got the details right. When he made up a town, it was for a reason.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 21, 2025 09:38 AM (78a2H)
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Reading two at the same time. Shroud by Tchaikovsky and Schlicter’s newest, Panama Red. Both very good so far. Will report back later on when I’m finished.
Posted by: RetSgtRN at December 21, 2025 09:38 AM (y89S1)
I finished a cute anthology called "Get In Trouble" by Kelly Link. It's sort of sci-fi? sort of sci-fi horror? but not really. just fun stories that are hard to classify.
next up is a re-read of Hyperion and then the following books, by Dan Simmons. It bothers me how little I recall from the books. I still remember crazy amounts of the Gene Wolfe torturer-related series, why not this one?
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 21, 2025 09:38 AM (emBoF)
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When I was a teen I had no idea what Wimsey's world would have looked like. Now, thanks to the later parts of Downton Abbey, I can picture the clothes, hairstyles, and cars.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:34 AM (wzUl9)
There was at least one LPW series. I think they kept it in his time, not modern dress. Was on PBS here.
Posted by: OrangeEnt
Yes, there was a batch of them done by the BBC in the seventies.
The golden age of British mysteries coincided with the golden age of Britain itself. It all started going downhill after the great war.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 09:38 AM (0U5gm)
It was a bust of Tim's, it was a wurst of Tom's...*
*opening line of a little-known Harlequin Bromance noovel.
Posted by: muldoon at December 21, 2025 09:39 AM (/iMjX)
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Certainly stsr wars is fantasy with sciency sprinkles
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:35 AM (bXbFr)
That is correct, sir! Do not equate SW with SF.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:40 AM (uQesX)
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Oh, I finished the biographies of Larry McMurtry and C.S. Lewis last week. Larry was a refreshingly un-drugged-up and un-alcoholic writer. Lewis had a long-term and probably complex relationship with the mother of one of his army buddies, and then after her death came the relationship with Joy Davidman, the American divorcee. She apparently -- after divorcing William Lindsay Gresham, the author of Nightmare Alley -- aimed herself at Lewis with the intention of seducing and marrying him. And it worked -- though the pic of her in the book makes you wonder how she managed it. Anthony Hopkins resembled Lewis well in the movie Shadowlands, from '93. But Joy Davidman was no Deborah Winger.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:40 AM (wzUl9)
82It says a lot that his children held onto them for the better part of a century so they could be published a few years ago.
A few years ago? I had this book as a child. hang on let me check print date.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 21, 2025 09:40 AM (emBoF)
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Neither Rian Johnson nor J.J. Abrams can write their way out of a paper bag,
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I've watched all three Knives Out movies in the last week and enjoyed them all. The only fault I find in RJ's writing, if fault it be, is that the plots, particularly the solutions to the crimes, are too convoluted to be fully understood in a single viewing. In the third, Rise Up Dead Man, Benoit references, with apparent approval, John Dickson Carr, another mystery author given to convolution, so he comes by it honestly.
SPOILER ALERT!
This 12 minute video purports to reveal the hidden clues in Rise Up.
https://is.gd/YX4bn6
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 21, 2025 09:40 AM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:41 AM (bXbFr)
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When I was a teen I had no idea what Wimsey's world would have looked like. Now, thanks to the later parts of Downton Abbey, I can picture the clothes, hairstyles, and cars.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere
Somewhere there is the excellent Wimsey series broadcast by PBS' Masterpiece Theater starring Ian Carmichael as Wimsey. They were broadcast in the early to middle 70's.
Posted by: Tuna at December 21, 2025 09:41 AM (lJ0H4)
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How can you really explain something that's impossible to do? That was one criticism I had from a beta reader. I was told space travel wasn't like that. How the hell do we know? We've never done it! Hanging around the moon and earth ain't interstellar space travel.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:33 AM (uQesX)
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One reason I enjoy science fiction so much is seeing how each author creates FTL adventures. Jeffrey Carver (mentioned in the thread above) leans heavily into "Hyperspace is an Ocean" territory. The "Flux" has currents, tides, fogs, storms, and maybe even kraken lurking in the deeper parts of the Flux. It's a cool take on hyperspace and works well for the story.
The Book Thread comments have successfully met the standard. Everything past this is for extra credit.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 21, 2025 09:42 AM (lLEcp)
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Back around Halloween, I picked up an omnibus of "Danny Ketch: Ghost Rider" comic books. Because a guy with a flaming skull for a head riding a motorcycle seemed appropriate for that holiday. Just now finished reading it.
Despite the look of the character, it still leaned into a few of the usual super-hero tropes. But the comic was written in the 90's, so it didn't have the stilted, cheesy dialogue or rushed pacing that I've come to dread from 70's comics. The storyline has a hefty body count, but it's not afraid to kill its villains, which is nice. And while the book does collect a bunch of side stories, the main series only has one writer and two artists with very similar styles, so the book feel very consistent.
In sum, not quite as good as I would have liked, but much better than many other books I've taken a chance on.
Posted by: Castle Guy at December 21, 2025 09:42 AM (Lhaco)
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Regarding the 5 sci-fi cliches, I'm happy to see that I have none of them. I don't like time travel, and when doing world-building, I try to keep things as simple as possible and never use tech as a solution. Tech may make up new problems, but it has to be a human interaction that gets things done.
Thus, one of the key points in the Man of Destiny series is when the Alliance decided to build battle droids, which they knew was a war crime, but decided to do it anyway. Yes, it gave them an advantage, but the real story was about how war itself dehumanizes people, and the violation of that rule in turn led the Commonwealth to start orbital bombardments (also forbidden) in retaliation.
The characters make the story, so if you're doing romance, it has to be authentic. This is where "write what you know" rears its head, because in fact I could not write romance until I got married and understood more about the give and take of relationships.
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I know of two Lord Peter TV series. One in the '70s, which I saw when it was new, and a more recent one. There was also an Albert Campion series, based on Margery Allingham's sleuth, but a lot of those books were written and set in the Thirties, so I'm pretty sure the productions were set in that time too.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:44 AM (wzUl9)
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Yes, Trimegistus, it's the Klinger anthology. They apparently don't understand that using a real place as a basis to ground your setting doesn't mean you have to make your literary version a carbon copy.
Volume I is the better book just because it's like a "greatest hits".
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:44 AM (kpS4V)
The Book Thread comments have successfully met the standard. Everything past this is for extra credit.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 21, 2025 09:42 AM (lLEcp)
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Evelyn Waugh also used to be a requirement, but several of his partisans have since joined him in the hereafter. RIP.
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I've never heard of a modern-day Peter Wimsey adaptation. He is so much a product of his time: his WWI PTSD, the fact that being a Duke's son still meant you could just barge into a criminal investigation with no consequences, and the startling social and political changes of the 20s and 30s for backdrop.
Sayers mentions that Peter does occasional counterintelligence work for the Foreign Office, and in my personal head-canon I assume he runs some small super-secret sub-bureau during World War II. He's got a good eye for talent (see Bunter, Parker, Miss Climpson) so I can imagine him taking on some newly commissioned Navy officer and teaching him some things. The identity of the officer is left as an exercise for the reader.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 21, 2025 09:44 AM (78a2H)
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It is my understanding that Tolstoy planbed a continuous book of War and Peace and the characters would get involved in the Decembrests
Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2025 09:45 AM (Ia/+0)
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Yup, I rank Signs among the very stupidest stories ever written. The aliens who are allergic to water invade a planet completely soaked with the stuff. Midnight Shabamalam is an overrated hack.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 21, 2025 09:45 AM (BI5O2)
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I read a lot of Star Trek TNG novels as a teen. The local library had a bunch of them, and I read whichever of them caught my eye. Not sure if I read that "Mask" novel, though. Its labeled #7. I remember them going up into...I dunno, the 60's, maybe the 80's... There were a lot!
Posted by: Castle Guy at December 21, 2025 09:45 AM (Lhaco)
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Read “Waiting For Nerdrotic” and I quite liked it. That gave me some greater insights into addiction.
The upcoming bastardization of Animal Farm pisses me off to no end.
Posted by: Cow Demon at December 21, 2025 09:45 AM (rQwsY)
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The golden age of British mysteries coincided with the golden age of Britain itself. It all started going downhill after the great war.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 09:38 AM (0U5gm)
And they know it. According to Brit YTer, Emma Robinson, 20k Brits relocate here every year. They can see their future, and don't like it.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:45 AM (uQesX)
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Hanging around the moon and earth ain't interstellar space travel.
Posted by: OrangeEnt
I thought the film of 2001 did a great job trying to make space travel as realistic as possible.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 09:45 AM (0U5gm)
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Certainly stsr wars is fantasy with sciency sprinkles
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:35 AM (bXbFr)
That is correct, sir! Do not equate SW with SF.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:40 AM (uQesX)
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Star Wars is space fantasy. This is known.
101Evelyn Waugh also used to be a requirement, but several of his partisans have since joined him in the hereafter. RIP.
I am a Waugh partisan, and still breathing
I'm just old and letting myself go back to genre reading a lot more now. like when I was a kid! I'm regressing lol.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 21, 2025 09:46 AM (emBoF)
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In addition to seasonal reading, I'm avoiding books and subjects that get me ticked off. So I put aside Laconte's "The War for Middle-Earth". The book is excellent and I agree with its premise but the subject matter it deals with is disturbing despite the hopeful conclusions.
My non-seasonal reading has been collections of art I enjoy like Constable landscapes, Melendez still lifes and Larsson's family scenes. Then some reading about hobby projects. Everything is pleasant and positive.
Posted by: JTB at December 21, 2025 09:47 AM (yTvNw)
103The upcoming bastardization of Animal Farm pisses me off to no end.
me too Cow
I never liked that serkis guy. he worked as gollum tho, bc he IS gollum
a weaselly shit
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 21, 2025 09:47 AM (emBoF)
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Kelly Link's stories fall entirely within the genre of "Kelly Link stories." They're unlike anything else. She's published as fantasy but you could just as easily call them horror, SF, mysteries, mythology, surrealism, or humor. Recommended.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 21, 2025 09:48 AM (78a2H)
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The upcoming bastardization of Animal Farm pisses me off to no end.
Posted by: Cow Demon at December 21, 2025 09:45 AM (rQwsY)
Tell me about it.
Posted by: Zombie Donald Hamilton at December 21, 2025 09:49 AM (lLEcp)
106One reason I enjoy science fiction so much is seeing how each author creates FTL adventures. Jeffrey Carver (mentioned in the thread above) leans heavily into "Hyperspace is an Ocean" territory. The "Flux" has currents, tides, fogs, storms, and maybe even kraken lurking in the deeper parts of the Flux. It's a cool take on hyperspace and works well for the story.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2025
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That sounds cool.
I'm a big fan of Larry Niven's Known Space, in which FTL is limited (with one rare exception) to 3 days to the light-year, so it takes a little while to get anywhere. There's also the restriction that hyperdrive won't work near a sun or other large mass -- the ships who tried it disappeared forever -- so ships need a fusion drive to get them out into "clear" space, and that can take some hours depending on the star.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:49 AM (wzUl9)
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:49 AM (bXbFr)
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How can you really explain something that's impossible to do? That was one criticism I had from a beta reader. I was told space travel wasn't like that. How the hell do we know? We've never done it! Hanging around the moon and earth ain't interstellar space travel.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:33 AM (uQesX)
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"Star Wars" did a really good job of making space travel look worn. "Alien" further expanded the 'space truckers' concept. By presenting it is commonplace and accepting limitations, it became a law of the universe that people just accepted.
109104 Kelly Link's stories fall entirely within the genre of "Kelly Link stories." They're unlike anything else. She's published as fantasy but you could just as easily call them horror, SF, mysteries, mythology, surrealism, or humor. Recommended.
I just stumbled upon her in the library! I will try to find more of her stuff. It was fun to read - really interesting.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 21, 2025 09:50 AM (emBoF)
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I've watched the Ian Carmichael Wimseys on You Tube and they are very good. They include my favorite novel, "Murder Must Advertise" as well as "Clouds of Witness."
I prefer the 1980s series, "A Dorothy Sayers Mystery," with Edward Petherbridge as Peter and Harriet Walter as Harriet Vane but it only includes three novels. No overlap between the two series.
Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at December 21, 2025 09:50 AM (FEVMW)
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Good morning fellow bibliophiles.
Happy to report that my former library in MA has renewed my ebook access for a grand total of $10. As I am going on vacation Monday, I was thrilled. They are way better than y MD library system at ordering ebooks at the same time as paper books. They are also making classics available as ebooks.I was able to download the new Islington The Strength of the Few, the long awaited second novel to the Will of the Many. Will report at some point in the near future.
112Sayers mentions that Peter does occasional counterintelligence work for the Foreign Office, and in my personal head-canon I assume he runs some small super-secret sub-bureau during World War II. He's got a good eye for talent (see Bunter, Parker, Miss Climpson) so I can imagine him taking on some newly commissioned Navy officer and teaching him some things. The identity of the officer is left as an exercise for the reader.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 21, 2025
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A certain commander in the RNVR?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:51 AM (wzUl9)
A gunshot rang out at night.
A gunshot rang out in darkness.
Moar coffee!!
Posted by: muldoon at December 21, 2025 09:51 AM (/iMjX)
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speaking of cats btw coming back from vacation and sure the pet sitter did a great job but WHAT was she feeding the cat!
he never has poops this stinky MY GOD
maybe he was holding it in for a week?
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 21, 2025 09:51 AM (emBoF)
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One reason I enjoy science fiction so much is seeing how each author creates FTL adventures. Jeffrey Carver (mentioned in the thread above) leans heavily into "Hyperspace is an Ocean" territory. The "Flux" has currents, tides, fogs, storms, and maybe even kraken lurking in the deeper parts of the Flux. It's a cool take on hyperspace and works well for the story.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2025 09:42 AM (ESVrU)
I've used the Star Trek method. I posit the ship has enough fuel of an unspecified type that will last for a couple decades. I don't talk about what you do, or how, to stop a ship. It has no meaning to the story. The ship moves, it stops, that's all that matters. Criticizing how I say my ship stops is an irrelevancy as far as I'm concerned. We don't travel FTL, and we'll never travel FTL, so we don't know what would really happen trying to maneuver a space ship.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:51 AM (uQesX)
116That fifth cliche seems to be in play in the "Girl Genius" comics. It really feels as if the series is hurtling toward a conclusion.
I feel like they probably had a story arc in mind when they started, then got lost in the daily/weekly grind of producing something and are now trying to remember what The Big Idea was in the first place. As a contrast, I like the comic "Digger" by Ursula Vernon. It has a story to tell, tells it, and then ends.
Posted by: Oddbob at December 21, 2025 09:51 AM (3nLb4)
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The upcoming bastardization of Animal Farm pisses me off to no end.
Posted by: Cow Demon
It is yet another attempt to destroy culture. They can't leave anything alone; they have to try and make a parody of it and then kill it.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 09:51 AM (0U5gm)
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We dont know if tachyons actually exist or how they would work
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:51 AM (bXbFr)
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One reason I enjoy science fiction so much is seeing how each author creates FTL adventures. Jeffrey Carver (mentioned in the thread above) leans heavily into "Hyperspace is an Ocean" territory. The "Flux" has currents, tides, fogs, storms, and maybe even kraken lurking in the deeper parts of the Flux. It's a cool take on hyperspace and works well for the story.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2025 09:42 AM (ESVrU)
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Warhammer 40,000 uses this concept in the Warp, and Navigators have to avoid demons, and stick to known shipping lanes lest they become lost forever.
Travel isn't instantaneous and the farther one moves from Earth, the more risky it becomes as the light of the Astronomicon fades and is lost.
120Happy to report that my former library in MA has renewed my ebook access for a grand total of $10. As I am going on vacation Monday, I was thrilled. They are way better than y MD library system at ordering ebooks at the same time as paper books. They are also making classics available as ebooks.I was able to download the new Islington The Strength of the Few, the long awaited second novel to the Will of the Many. Will report at some point in the near future.
sharon I have to do this myself. my local library has a very limited selection, but I have been using the Free Library of Philadelphia (not my login!) for a bit now. It's free if you live in PA but I have to physically go to a branch and prove that, they don't have a fee. if they did, I'd to that instead! it's a pain to go in town.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 21, 2025 09:52 AM (emBoF)
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I'm picturing a writer's group, say, around 1884; somebody's saying that travel by automobile isn't like that.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at December 21, 2025 09:52 AM (q3u5l)
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Inertial dampeners that prevent the ship from being torn apart at those speeds
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:53 AM (bXbFr)
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 21, 2025 09:53 AM (Kt19C)
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“The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.”
Jeremiah 23:5
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Alan Dershowitz is waiting.
Jewish Blood Is No Longer Cheap
A Call to Arms in Preventing Recurrence of Past Disasters
By: Alan Dershowitz
https://is.gd/CSYwiK
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 21, 2025 09:53 AM (L/fGl)
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It is yet another attempt to destroy culture. They can't leave anything alone; they have to try and make a parody of it and then kill it.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 09:51 AM (0U5gm)
Worse still is that they are relying on people to not read the original.
Posted by: Cow Demon at December 21, 2025 09:53 AM (rQwsY)
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23 That fifth cliche seems to be in play in the "Girl Genius" comics. It really feels as if the series is hurtling toward a conclusion. I think the Foglios are feeling their age and want to finish the series before either of them suffers Author Existence Failure (h/t TVTropes).
Posted by: Weak Geek at December 21, 2025 09:12 AM (p/isN)
Good for them! Very responsible. There are two or three series that I follow that I do wonder if they'll ever finish. Because of how sprawling the story has gotten, and how slow new pages come out...
Fortunately for me, none of those series involve the words 'Song of Ice and Fire.'
Posted by: Castle Guy at December 21, 2025 09:53 AM (Lhaco)
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Thanks for the reminder -- just pulled out my copy of "The Father Christmas Letters" (1976).
Glad I was around as a kid/tweener for the 70's Tolkien boomlet.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:54 AM (kpS4V)
128 I've watched the Ian Carmichael Wimseys on You Tube and they are very good. They include my favorite novel, "Murder Must Advertise" as well as "Clouds of Witness."
I prefer the 1980s series, "A Dorothy Sayers Mystery," with Edward Petherbridge as Peter and Harriet Walter as Harriet Vane but it only includes three novels. No overlap between the two series.
Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at December 21, 2025
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At the time, I think, Ian Carmichael was criticized as being too "lightweight" to play Wimsey. Well, remember, Wimsey seemed a lightweight to some of the people, including murderers, he encountered. (They found out otherwise.) And he was described -- maybe he himself said it -- as having a "rather foolish face." Which sounds like Carmichael. He was very good; he could do the steely-eyed manner as well as the flippant "upper-class twit" style.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:54 AM (wzUl9)
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All I have seen of Knives Out is an ad, where the gay dude from the Bond movies was talking. I was just walking by the TV, and stopped in my tracks and burst out laughing at how campy and bad his """Southern""" accent was, which is odd because Southern accents are closer to Old Blighty's accents than other American ones.
The guy sounded like Foghorn Leghorn just got pounded in his cloaca in the alley behind Studio 54.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 21, 2025 09:54 AM (BI5O2)
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Warhammer 40,000 uses this concept in the Warp, and Navigators have to avoid demons, and stick to known shipping lanes lest they become lost forever.
Travel isn't instantaneous and the farther one moves from Earth, the more risky it becomes as the light of the Astronomicon fades and is lost.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 21, 2025 09:52 AM (ZOv7s)
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A fan theory says that the titular ship in the movie "Event Horizon" traveled through the Warp, so that movie is now unofficial Warhammer 40K canon.
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I'm a big fan of Larry Niven's Known Space, in which FTL is limited (with one rare exception) to 3 days to the light-year, so it takes a little while to get anywhere. There's also the restriction that hyperdrive won't work near a sun or other large mass -- the ships who tried it disappeared forever -- so ships need a fusion drive to get them out into "clear" space, and that can take some hours depending on the star.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:49 AM (wzUl9)
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The Man of Destiny series has nav points at the outer ellipse of a system and ships "jump" there and then cruise into the system on a long decelerating arc.
Inertia plays a key role and so encounters happen as fleets brush past each other, firing salvoes and then have to slowly swing about for another pass. Anticipating a flight path can therefore give a decisive advantage.
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I thought the film of 2001 did a great job trying to make space travel as realistic as possible.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 09:45 AM (0U5gm)
As long as it's based off of what we know from low orbit and the moon. Deep space, we really know nothing of, although the physics should, should be the same. But, I make my own universe, I don't need to follow other writers.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:56 AM (uQesX)
134Sayers mentions that Peter does occasional counterintelligence work for the Foreign Office,
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Then Wimsey might have known Tommy Hambledon of the Manning Coles novels. Their line of patter is very similar; lots of fun.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:56 AM (wzUl9)
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I'm pretty unscientific (think dumb)about stuff like this but I thought Cixin Liu did a good job at scaring me about Space Travel in the 3Body Problem.
and I had to remember to take it out for the kids again too! I love that book SO MUCH
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 21, 2025 09:57 AM (emBoF)
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We dont know if tachyons actually exist or how they would work
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:51 AM (bXbFr)
UFO sightings are the result of tachyons, from poorly tuned FTL drives, leaking backwards in time.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 21, 2025 09:57 AM (lLEcp)
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A fan theory says that the titular ship in the movie "Event Horizon" traveled through the Warp, so that movie is now unofficial Warhammer 40K canon.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2025 09:54 AM (ESVrU)
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As soon as my friends and I saw it, we said "they went into the Warp and got attacked by Chaos demons." It's pretty obvious for the initiated.
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I didn't enjoy Signs, past the first 20 minutes of initial suspense, but one theory is that the aliens are not actually aliens but demons. The water in the glass at the end of the movie is holy water; thus the effect on the creature. I don't remember where I heard that, and I'm not sure it makes the movie any better.
Posted by: PabloD at December 21, 2025 09:57 AM (Epuwl)
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Star Wars is space fantasy. This is known.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 21, 2025 09:46 AM (ZOv7s)
Among the enlightened, like here, but I'd guess the majority of people out in the world think it's SF.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:58 AM (uQesX)
How were the aliens in Signs ever going to survive if a good rainstorm would burn them like acid?
What did these aliens drink for fluids?
Did they come from an entirely desert planet or something?
How does any species evolve on a planet without vegetation because there's no water for plants, either?
Maybe Shyamalan should have made high-fructose corn syrup the weakness so Merrill could swing away with some glasses of Coke.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at December 21, 2025 09:58 AM (6ydKt)
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I'm wondering when the 'updated' version of the story of Jesus comes out, where he is a serial killer. Or, the retelling of the final days of the third reich, where Hitler is a misunderstood genius.
They have already made the communist pigs heroes, along with the wicked witch of the west.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 09:58 AM (0U5gm)
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As often as autocorrect changes a properly spelled word into something totally different for me, I am amazed at all the times it allows thst or thsn to go through without as much as a throat clearing cough to alert me to a possible problem.
"A" is just at a difficult part of the keyboard for my not quite as dextrous as it used to be thumb to handle these days.
Posted by: tankdemon at December 21, 2025 09:58 AM (9ZTyf)
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That would make sense but tracking these transits would be a nightmare
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:58 AM (bXbFr)
145
Knives out is a fun movie. Looking forward to the sequel.
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Well seth grahamr smith made the magi assassins
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:59 AM (bXbFr)
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Which AI program did you use for today's cover picture? I will assume you are reading Clement Moore to the squirrel tykes.
Posted by: tankdemon at December 21, 2025 10:00 AM (9ZTyf)
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In the one FTL SF story I've done, I have the family drop out of hyperspace, or maybe I call it superspace, periodically to take star readings and make sure they are on course. The drive is limited in speed too, but slower than LN's 3 days per light year.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 10:01 AM (wzUl9)
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UFO sightings are the result of tachyons, from poorly tuned FTL drives, leaking backwards in time.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 21, 2025 09:57 AM (lLEcp)
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UFO sightings have two sources. One is Soviet propaganda designed to convince non-ideological Americans to spy on American military installations and publish their findings without drawing charges of espionage.
The other is that they are angels and demons, which have been recorded since records have been kept, but then society embraced secular materialism and a "science" that teaches that rather than believe countless accounts of the spirit world repeated in every culture, we need to throw away the laws of physics and make up spacemen as a "rational" explanation.
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The upcoming bastardization of Animal Farm pisses me off to no end.
Posted by: Cow Demon
A new Animal Farmish book.
Compassion Farm: And NGO was its Name-O by William Dawes
https://is.gd/I5QLzJ
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 21, 2025 10:02 AM (L/fGl)
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140 Star Wars is space fantasy. This is known.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 21, 2025 09:46 AM (ZOv7s)
Among the enlightened, like here, but I'd guess the majority of people out in the world think it's SF.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:58 AM (uQesX)
I’d argue that Star Wars is SF with fantasy elements. One thing I appreciate about it is that no one is explaining the technology in excruciating detail. I don’t need to write in a book how I am using an internal combustion engine to get from point A to point B.
Posted by: Cow Demon at December 21, 2025 10:02 AM (rQwsY)
152Knives out is a fun movie. Looking forward to the sequel.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 21, 2025
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It was fun -- a good mystery, fairly clued, and we understood at the end how Craig's character solved it. There have been two more movies in the series. I need to get the first two from the library.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 10:02 AM (wzUl9)
Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2025 10:03 AM (Ia/+0)
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That would make sense but tracking these transits would be a nightmare
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 09:58 AM (bXbFr)
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FTL travel also requires FTL comms. Flight paths would be networked and relayed to prevent conflicts, just as in civil aviation today, though lead times would be longer.
In military operations, of course, tactical surprise would be guaranteed.
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Finally reading 7th/final book in Christopher Ruocchio's Sun Eater series, which is almost 1400 pages long! That's twice the length of any other book in the series and it's honestly a slog. The protagonist of the story, while a legit hero who suffers terribly o er the series, is such a gosh darn drama queen that I just can't even with him, sometimes.
Ruocchio published the first book in the series, Empire of Silence, in 2018, when he was 22 years old, which is objectively insane, in my opinion. An 800 page novel produced 18 months after graduating college is an accomplishment that can only be described as astonishing.
I've enjoyed the series, but will be glad when I finish so I can move on to something new. Like, perhaps, the Complete works of Dostoyevsky. I've never read anything by him, but I assume his protagonists will be more level-headed than Ruocchio's (sarc).
Hey, Good People.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 21, 2025 10:03 AM (/RHNq)
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I'm a big fan of Larry Niven's Known Space, in which FTL is limited (with one rare exception) to 3 days to the light-year, so it takes a little while to get anywhere. There's also the restriction that hyperdrive won't work near a sun or other large mass -- the ships who tried it disappeared forever -- so ships need a fusion drive to get them out into "clear" space, and that can take some hours depending on the star.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 09:49 AM (wzUl9)
In his later works, Niven explained these disappearances being due to monsters that live in hyperspace that like to hang around gravity wells.
Monsters!
Posted by: Brewingfrog at December 21, 2025 10:03 AM (vlhQm)
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71 Chromatic perversion!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 09:10 AM (kpS4V)
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Lovecraft, like his friend R.E. Howard, did tend to veer into self-parody at times.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 21, 2025 09:36 AM (ZOv7s)
I read a Lovecraft collection a few years back. Calling his work 'self-parody' seems a bit mean/unfair, but it does hint at a point. A lot of his prose could have been summed up as 'things felt weird,' and I could only read so much of that before my eyes glazed over and felt like skipping ahead to where something actually happened.
Posted by: Castle Guy at December 21, 2025 10:03 AM (Lhaco)
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Note to self: read content before asking questions.
Grok. Got it. Also, appears to be reading from the Gospelnof Luke, not Clement Moore.
I am overwhelmed by shame.
Posted by: tankdemon at December 21, 2025 10:04 AM (9ZTyf)
How were the aliens in Signs ever going to survive if a good rainstorm would burn them like acid?
What did these aliens drink for fluids?
Did they come from an entirely desert planet or something?
How does any species evolve on a planet without vegetation because there's no water for plants, either?
Maybe Shyamalan should have made high-fructose corn syrup the weakness so Merrill could swing away with some glasses of Coke.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at December 21, 2025 09:58 AM (6ydKt)
Aliens can travel through millions of light years of space but have no ability to do, say, spectroscopy to see if the world they are entering has water and much else besides?
I saw Signs in theaters in 2002 because of, well, a girl. I have not seen it since. I am unimpressed by Mid.
Posted by: Cow Demon at December 21, 2025 10:04 AM (rQwsY)
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Imagine what that same writer's group would say about air travel.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2025 09:56 AM (ESVrU)
A writer's group in 1785, arguing about how many live chickens you would need to take along during your hot air balloon trip to the Moon.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 21, 2025 10:04 AM (lLEcp)
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Isn't all Sci Fi actually fantasy? We don't know if any of it will work until it happens. We don't know if there are other civilizations out there. So writers are using imagination to create worlds where what they are positing is possible. Is creating science to fit a storyline any different than creating elves or zombies?
In Shyamalan's cameo his character mentions that the aliens seem to be avoiding bodies of water
If my memory is correct, it's been awhile since I saw it.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at December 21, 2025 10:05 AM (6ydKt)
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I’d argue that Star Wars is SF with fantasy elements. One thing I appreciate about it is that no one is explaining the technology in excruciating detail. I don’t need to write in a book how I am using an internal combustion engine to get from point A to point B.
Posted by: Cow Demon at December 21, 2025 10:02 AM (rQwsY)
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In The Making of Star Trek, Roddenberry states that when a cop pulls out a revolver, he doesn't bother to explain how it works in detail, we just know that it goes bang and someone falls. Star Trek was originally like that, but particularly in TNG, it began trying to explain tech, and then using that to solve plot problems, including an infamous case where they broke the "shields block transporters" rule because the were too stupid to think of anything else.
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Ian Carmichael was good as Peter (I'm showing my age here) but he didn't have The Nose. Sayers makes it very clear that Peter Wimsey has a gigantic (but perfectly upper-class) NOSE. At one point she refers to his "parrot profile." Petherbridge has a pretty good schnozzola.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 21, 2025 10:05 AM (78a2H)
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One of the characters in the first movie describes him as such.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 21, 2025 10:06 AM (L/fGl)
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I read a Lovecraft collection a few years back. Calling his work 'self-parody' seems a bit mean/unfair, but it does hint at a point. A lot of his prose could have been summed up as 'things felt weird,' and I could only read so much of that before my eyes glazed over and felt like skipping ahead to where something actually happened.
Posted by: Castle Guy at December 21, 2025 10:03 AM (Lhaco)
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Both authors tended to use stock phrases, perhaps to pad the word count and keep the checks coming in. As their friendship bloomed, they began borrowing each other's stock phrases, which was a funny in-joke between them.
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Which AI program did you use for today's cover picture? I will assume you are reading Clement Moore to the squirrel tykes.
Posted by: tankdemon at December 21, 2025 10:00 AM (9ZTyf)
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I simply gave a very thorough description (that's important!) to Grok and asked it to generate an image based on the criteria. It actually gave me two options. I chose the second one.
171In his later works, Niven explained these disappearances being due to monsters that live in hyperspace that like to hang around gravity wells.
Monsters!
Posted by: Brewingfrog at December 21, 2025
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In the novelette "The Borderland of Sol," Beowulf Shaeffer speculates, maybe only to himself, about such a concept. Did Niven ever come out and say that officially in a story, or in one of his off-the-cuff remarks?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 10:08 AM (wzUl9)
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There are authors that force one to slow down to a slow walk on a stony rural road, and HPL is one of them.
Same with overstuffed Victorian novels. You have to sync with the pace of the prose.
Chill, bro.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 10:09 AM (kpS4V)
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The Dean Martin Matt Helm movies were never supposed to be anything but fun romps that used the book titles and a few character names. Any real connections to the books was unimportant. I recall Hamilton had the attitude that if his work was used to entertain, and he was well paid, he was okay.
The Derek Flint movies were supposed to be parodies from the start. And they had a lot of fun with them. I have both of them on DVD and watch them at least once a year.
I think it would be difficult to do a Matt Helm movie that really followed the book. So much of Helm's character and approach to things is from internal musings, not dialog, and that would be hard to convey.
Posted by: JTB at December 21, 2025 10:10 AM (yTvNw)
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Bear in mind: Lovecraft composed in longhand, and was the most determinedly un-commercial writer who ever lived. He was wordy, but presumably he thought every one of those words was there for a reason. We might disagree with those reasons, but I can't believe he was deliberately padding.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 21, 2025 10:10 AM (78a2H)
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FTL travel also requires FTL comms. Flight paths would be networked and relayed to prevent conflicts, just as in civil aviation today, though lead times would be longer.
In military operations, of course, tactical surprise would be guaranteed.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 21, 2025 10:03 AM (ZOv7s)
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Peter F. Hamilton likes to mix it up a bit. One series has FTL travel, but no FTL communication.
Another has FTL communication, but relies on near-lightspeed means for travel.
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Also, why does the detective need to be gay? Can't these writers do *anything* else? Couldn't they make him, I dunno, Portuguese or something? Why is it always gay? It's like the screenwriters' guild has a by-law.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 21, 2025 10:11 AM (BI5O2)
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Isn't all Sci Fi actually fantasy? We don't know if any of it will work until it happens. We don't know if there are other civilizations out there. So writers are using imagination to create worlds where what they are positing is possible. Is creating science to fit a storyline any different than creating elves or zombies?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 21, 2025 10:04 AM (t/2Uw)
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Obviously, both are fiction, but sci-fi's emphasis is how technology changes things. Everything else is the same but the tech.
Fantasy can include spiritual elements, otherworldly things like magic rings and mythological creatures. Space Fantasy is the intersection of this, where you have space ships but also The Force.
Herbert pioneered it by having strong elements of both. Star Wars borrows a lot from Dune.
So much rereading. So little time.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at December 21, 2025
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The other morning on the Tech Thread, I think it was, someone quoted the expression "ci-git." I recalled Steinbeck mentioning someone calling himself that in Travels With Charley. It's late in the book, when JS is in New Orleans ca. 1959-60, and he meets a local who gives that as his name.
I had to look it up. It means "Here lies," the French version of hic jacet.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 10:11 AM (wzUl9)
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One of my friends leans towards the "UFOs are demons or other supernatural beings" theory. My question is, if so, why do they pop in and out of our reality? Are they like dogs and they just get the zoomies? Does the Prince of Darkness get bored and tell one of his minions "I want you to put on a light show for some F-18 pilot, then fly away really fast. It'll be hilarious!"
Posted by: PabloD at December 21, 2025 10:12 AM (Epuwl)
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I'm wondering when the 'updated' version of the story of Jesus comes out, where he is a serial killer. Or, the retelling of the final days of the third reich, where Hitler is a misunderstood genius.
They have already made the communist pigs heroes, along with the wicked witch of the west.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
Professor Moriarty was a misunderstood genius!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 21, 2025 10:12 AM (L/fGl)
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One thing I appreciate about it is that no one is explaining the technology in excruciating detail. I don’t need to write in a book how I am using an internal combustion engine to get from point A to point B.
Posted by: Cow Demon at December 21, 2025 10:02 AM (rQwsY)
Thus my above. We all "know" what interstellar travel is like, no need to explain it.
Posted by: 1884 Writer's Group at December 21, 2025 10:12 AM (uQesX)
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Bear in mind: Lovecraft composed in longhand, and was the most determinedly un-commercial writer who ever lived. He was wordy, but presumably he thought every one of those words was there for a reason. We might disagree with those reasons, but I can't believe he was deliberately padding.
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 21, 2025 10:10 AM (78a2H)
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That may be the case, but he always used exactly the same language when he brought up the Necronomicon. Maybe he had index cards or a cheat sheet. There's a reason people can just drop in his formulations about Cthulhu and stuff.
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One reason I enjoy science fiction so much is seeing how each author creates FTL adventures. Jeffrey Carver (mentioned in the thread above) leans heavily into "Hyperspace is an Ocean" territory. The "Flux" has currents, tides, fogs, storms, and maybe even kraken lurking in the deeper parts of the Flux. It's a cool take on hyperspace and works well for the story.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2025 09:42 AM (ESVrU)
That sounds a little bit like traveling through The Warp in the Warhammer 40K universe. Which means (depending on when Carver was published) there is a good chance that 40K 'borrowed' the concept from Carver's works. 40K 'borrowed' a lot concepts...
Including the 8-arrow emblem for chaos, which I just encountered in an unrelated work! I wonder if work was borrowing from 40K, or if they were both borrowing from an earlier source...Which may be Michael Moorcock, whom I really should try reading sometime...
Posted by: Castle Guy at December 21, 2025 10:13 AM (Lhaco)
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Been trying to decide what my favorite Christmas movie is and I finally decided on the updated It’s a Wonderful Life
The Family Man.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 10:13 AM (KDPiq)
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Still trying to unravel the time travel in Somewhere in Time.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 10:15 AM (KDPiq)
187
Reading Sanderson's newest, Isles of the Emberdark. Reminds me a bit of Tress of the Emereld Sea but not as charming. It grew of a short story The Sixth if Dusk and as he explains in the forward, he used flashbacks to integrate it so you don't have to read that first. It was done well. It is taking me longer than usual because the news of the week kind of interfered.(Orange Ent dittos).
188Also, why does the detective need to be gay? ... It's like the screenwriters' guild has a by-law.
Dunno about the screenwriters but the Oscars literally does have a by-law. So it's not unexpected that the rest of the industry would fall into line with it.
Posted by: Oddbob at December 21, 2025 10:15 AM (3nLb4)
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One of my friends leans towards the "UFOs are demons or other supernatural beings" theory. My question is, if so, why do they pop in and out of our reality? Are they like dogs and they just get the zoomies? Does the Prince of Darkness get bored and tell one of his minions "I want you to put on a light show for some F-18 pilot, then fly away really fast. It'll be hilarious!"
Posted by: PabloD at December 21, 2025 10:12 AM (Epuwl)
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We have created a society that is so far removed from faith that people refuse to see what is before them.
This was by design, so yes, the Devil probably does put on light shows to make people think angels don't exist, and that if we see something bright, get away from it and don't talk about what you've seen or you'll lose flight status.
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"One thing I appreciate about it is that no one is explaining the technology in excruciating detail. I don’t need to write in a book how I am using an internal combustion engine to get from point A to point B."
Yep.
Okay, we can do these things. Now, what situations do they create for humans to deal with? What do they make possible?
Posted by: Just Some Guy at December 21, 2025 10:15 AM (q3u5l)
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Shroud by Adrian Tchaikovsky was excellent, as are all his novels. The Final Architecture trilogy is his best work, even better than his Children of Time/Ruin/Memory trilogy.
He's one of the most creative science fiction writers I've ever read.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 21, 2025 10:15 AM (/RHNq)
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Just popping in before Mass Stanislaw Lem did a wonderful short story about letters disappearing from the worldor specifically things beginning with those letters. I think it was in The Cyberiad. An utterly silly concept that few writers could have pulled off as well. Or at all well.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 10:17 AM (KDPiq)
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I'm reading ANOTHER book about DNA. I think I'll be ready to report on it next year.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey
Which books on DNA are you reading? I'm very interested in the subject. I'm particularly in reading a book that takes on the comically stupid Darwinist theory that DNA just created itself out of nothing over time.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 21, 2025 10:18 AM (/RHNq)
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I don't read time travel novels because it just does not seem plausible to me.
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A small family gathering is in the works, so outta Casa Some Guy until late afternoon. Will have to look at comments later.
Thanks for the thread, Perfessor.
Have a good one, gang.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at December 21, 2025 10:19 AM (q3u5l)
200lso, why does the detective need to be gay? Can't these writers do *anything* else? Couldn't they make him, I dunno, Portuguese or something? Why is it always gay? It's like the screenwriters' guild has a by-law.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 21, 2025
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I did it in one story for a specific reason: so the gay man would never have any romantic entanglement with the young woman who narrates the story and acts as his assistant and photographer. Aside from that, it's treated as just something he is, like having brown hair or being diabetic.
In one scene, though, Sydney the narrator sees him noticing a handsome young fellow *she's* got her eye on, and thinks, "Great. Now I was going to have to compete for guys with my boss." (The young man is straight -- so nothing ever comes of it.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 10:19 AM (wzUl9)
201Still trying to unravel the time travel in Somewhere in Time.
Possibly the most poorly written time travel movie Ive ever seen. Not only did it make no sense internally but the writer didnt even receive that theyd set up blatantly obvious solutions to his problems.
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Including the 8-arrow emblem for chaos, which I just encountered in an unrelated work! I wonder if work was borrowing from 40K, or if they were both borrowing from an earlier source...Which may be Michael Moorcock, whom I really should try reading sometime...
Posted by: Castle Guy at December 21, 2025 10:13 AM (Lhaco)
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There is almost nothing original in 40k. It is all borrowed from various sources, which is what made it accessible since people saw a lot of their favorite tropes within it.
This is known. What is funny is that the creators also put lots of other details in there, including political commentary about Thatcherite Britain as well as some very obscure gay references as in-jokes.
The Dark Angels chapter of Space Marines is gay. That's their secret. The joke is in the poem "The Dark Angel," by Lionel Johnson, which is about a Catholic tormented by same-sex lust. That's why the founder was Lion El' Johnson. Oh, and their fortress (The Rock) was named after a gay bar.
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Shroud by Adrian Tchaikovsky was excellent, as are all his novels. The Final Architecture trilogy is his best work, even better than his Children of Time/Ruin/Memory trilogy.
He's one of the most creative science fiction writers I've ever read.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 21, 2025 10:15 AM (/RHNq)
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I just started Shards of Earth this morning, so I'm glad it gets the Sharkman Seal of Approval!
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You write the novel and then grab your thesaurus and go back and replace all the words with e in them.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 10:20 AM (KDPiq)
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Dunno about the screenwriters but the Oscars literally does have a by-law.
Posted by: Oddbob at December 21, 2025 10:15 AM (3nLb4)
Oh.
But of course they do. Duh. Why did I even ask?
Thank G-d I quit watching anything new years ago. If you watch any new content in America, I'm pretty sure you have to watch Cobra directly afterward or you'll get AIDS.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 21, 2025 10:20 AM (BI5O2)
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 21, 2025 10:20 AM (L/fGl)
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For messy time travel, I can recommend the SciFi Channel series "12 Monkeys." Four seasons of increasingly desperate scientists going "We'll get it right this time!"
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 21, 2025 10:21 AM (lLEcp)
Merry Christmas to the lot of you. Have some good times.
Later, gang.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at December 21, 2025 10:22 AM (q3u5l)
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There's an Ellery Queen novel (I won't say which one) in which a threatening letter is written without another crucial letter in English, not "e," and for a good reason.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 10:22 AM (wzUl9)
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You write the novel and then grab your thesaurus and go back and replace all the words with e in them.
Posted by: Opinion fact
Well, yes, but E is the most commonly used letter. I learned that from a code breaking book.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 10:23 AM (0U5gm)
211You write the novel and then grab your thesaurus and go back and replace all the words with e in them.
Posted by: Opinion fact
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A thesaurus might help -- but eventually you will have to contort your phrasing, not just replace one word with another. The letter "e" is part of the warp and weft of English; there is no easy way around using it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 10:26 AM (wzUl9)
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>>> 25 If I were to write a book without a letter, I would probably pick the letter Q. Sounds easier.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 09:10 AM (0U5gm)
Well, if you do, we know it won't be about Sam Brinton or Richard Levine.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 09:12 AM (uQesX)
There's no Q in 'fag'. Or 'timwalz', for that matter.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 21, 2025 10:26 AM (ULPxl)
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Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 21, 2025 10:23 AM (0U5gm)
You mean cryptogram solving book?
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 10:26 AM (KDPiq)
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In a number of his books Adrian Tchaikovsky wrestles with how we as humans can communicate with very different alien species.
Jeff Vandermeer shows how impossible communication with other alien species truly is.
Vernor Vinge posits that the closer one gets to the core of the Milky Way the slower and stupider tech and people become (the High Beyond and the Unthinking Slowness.)
Posted by: 13times at December 21, 2025 10:27 AM (a60nX)
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210 You write the novel and then grab your thesaurus and go back and replace all the words with e in them.
_-_
...which would be a a Pain if you had an 'e' in yer name, eh, Thomas?
...yeah, I'll show myself out.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 21, 2025 10:27 AM (vd6bO)
216
Just realized there would be a lot of ing ending words in a book with no e’s.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 10:29 AM (KDPiq)
217
Obviously, both are fiction, but sci-fi's emphasis is how technology changes things. Everything else is the same but the tech.
Fantasy can include spiritual elements, otherworldly things like magic rings and mythological creatures. Space Fantasy is the intersection of this, where you have space ships but also The Force.
Herbert pioneered it by having strong elements of both. Star Wars borrows a lot from Dune.
AHL, In a way that is my point. To me, a lot of things in my everyday life seem like magic. I have no idea how the radio in my car works. How we get pictures of things light years away from an object that was launched from earth and still traveling in space. I understand how an airplane flies and how gas powers my car engine but how AI works....f'ing magic.
WTF?! DC’s DEI police chief Pamela Smith just had a SCREAMING MELTDOWN while giving her resignation speech, after she was caught fudging crime stats
“I’m going to the BIBLE when I say this: TO MY HATERS, F YOU!”
This person should’ve NEVER been in ANY position of power. Especially in the nation’s capital.
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I think telling your enemies "f*ck you" is from the Sermon On the Mount. "Blessed are the corrupt law enforcement officers for they shall f*ck you up!"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 21, 2025 10:31 AM (L/fGl)
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In his later works, Niven explained these disappearances being due to monsters that live in hyperspace that like to hang around gravity wells.
Monsters!
Posted by: Brewingfrog at December 21, 2025
Nimoy relates a bit of Star Trek lore about some media on the set being told ST wasn't pulp silliness. The scene they watched was from The Man Trap. Spock was lying on the exam table in sick bay and his line to Kirk was "the monster attacked me." Sorta belying what the producers said to the media. Funny.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 10:31 AM (uQesX)
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Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 21, 2025 10:29 AM (t/2Uw)
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who do not.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 10:33 AM (KDPiq)
221Nimoy relates a bit of Star Trek lore about some media on the set being told ST wasn't pulp silliness. The scene they watched was from The Man Trap. Spock was lying on the exam table in sick bay and his line to Kirk was "the monster attacked me." Sorta belying what the producers said to the media. Funny.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025
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Right; that was in The Making of Star Trek.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 10:33 AM (wzUl9)
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211 You write the novel and then grab your thesaurus and go back and replace all the words with e in them.
Posted by: Opinion fact
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A thesaurus might help -- but eventually you will have to contort your phrasing, not just replace one word with another. The letter "e" is part of the warp and weft of English; there is no easy way around using it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 10:26 AM (wzUl9)
You'd have to write the entire story without using the '-ed' suffix. Thing of how you would need to twist your syntax and grammar just to do that.
Posted by: Castle Guy at December 21, 2025 10:35 AM (Lhaco)
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For messy time travel, I can recommend the SciFi Channel series "12 Monkeys." Four seasons of increasingly desperate scientists going "We'll get it right this time!"
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
See Connie Willis' "Doomsday Book" for an unintended time travel storyline.
Posted by: Tuna at December 21, 2025 10:36 AM (lJ0H4)
Whatever unseemly Bible America's ruling class follows probably exhorts them to tell their hated subjects to fuck off.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 21, 2025 10:36 AM (BI5O2)
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who do not.
That is a very base joke. You should be careful lest someone puts a hex on your decimals.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 21, 2025 10:37 AM (vd6bO)
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For messy time travel, I can recommend the SciFi Channel series "12 Monkeys." Four seasons of increasingly desperate scientists going "We'll get it right this time!"
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
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That show got even weirder than the original movie...
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I just started Shards of Earth this morning, so I'm glad it gets the Sharkman Seal of Approval!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
That's a book and trilogy that I still think about randomly about thrice weekly, though it's been quite a while since I've read the books. The overwhelming feeling being: "Damn, I wish I could read those books new again!"
Posted by: Sharkman at December 21, 2025 10:40 AM (/RHNq)
228
In my headclubbing, Chromatic Perversion opened for the Necropants at PleatherFest.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 10:16 AM (kpS4V)
Your cat ok now?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 10:40 AM (uQesX)
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Read the book Across the Ussuri Kray by VK Arsenyev and translated by Jonathan C. Slaght.
Arsenyev was unique among early 20th century explorers.
Posted by: 13times at December 21, 2025 10:41 AM (fnZRl)
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Based on the physics we know today, theoretically one can travel to the future but one cannot travel to the past. I think traveling to the past requires a multiverse.
I kind of like that they wrote the line for Rick in Rick and Morty that he doesn’t do time travel , it’s beneath him.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 10:41 AM (KDPiq)
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180 One of my friends leans towards the "UFOs are demons or other supernatural beings" theory. My question is, if so, why do they pop in and out of our reality? Are they like dogs and they just get the zoomies?
Posted by: PabloD at December 21, 2025 10:12 AM (Epuwl)
Are they battling? Would be a good basis for a novel, or series.
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I don't read time travel novels because it just does not seem plausible to me.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 21, 2025 10:19 AM (t/2Uw)
I don't usually write about that subject, but I have a germ of an idea that includes it. It's not as easy as people think.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 10:42 AM (uQesX)
233
Are the martians dying from our bacteria silly?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 21, 2025 10:42 AM (pkeXY)
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One of my friends leans towards the "UFOs are demons or other supernatural beings" theory. My question is, if so, why do they pop in and out of our reality? Are they like dogs and they just get the zoomies?
Posted by: PabloD at December 21, 2025 10:12 AM (Epuwl)
Are they battling? Would be a good basis for a novel, or series.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at December 21, 2025 10:41 AM (h7ZuX)
They are supposed to make another Constantine movie.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 10:42 AM (KDPiq)
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The problem with dune and the analog technology is inconsistent its not really spelled out in the films
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 10:44 AM (bXbFr)
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They had a series once where they had discovered a door between ( non super hero) multiverses. I never watched it but remember the previews.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 10:45 AM (KDPiq)
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A thesaurus might help -- but eventually you will have to contort your phrasing, not just replace one word with another. The letter "e" is part of the warp and weft of English; there is no easy way around using it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 10:26 AM (wzUl9)
Just create another letter. I hear the thorne isn't being used right now.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 10:45 AM (uQesX)
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Just create another letter. I hear the thorne isn't being used right now.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 10:45 AM (uQesX)
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Way ahead of you...
Posted by: On Beyond Zebra at December 21, 2025 10:47 AM (ESVrU)
239You'd have to write the entire story without using the '-ed' suffix. Thing of how you would need to twist your syntax and grammar just to do that.
Posted by: Castle Guy at December 21, 2025
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There's the Shakespearean apostrophe for that. "I walk'd about, thinking."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 10:47 AM (wzUl9)
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Well they have no immuniry like the american indians
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 10:47 AM (bXbFr)
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There's no Q in 'fag'. Or 'timwalz', for that matter.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 21, 2025 10:26 AM (ULPxl)
Queer and queen.
timwalz, hmmm.... right R E T A R D. No "q."
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 10:47 AM (uQesX)
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Vernor Vinge posits that the closer one gets to the core of the Milky Way the slower and stupider tech and people become (the High Beyond and the Unthinking Slowness.)
Posted by: 13times at December 21, 2025 10:27 AM (a60nX)
It's probably the result of the Shapley Zone of Intense Radiation at the core that causes it.
Posted by: Another Star Trek Reference at December 21, 2025 10:49 AM (uQesX)
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In my headclubbing, Chromatic Perversion opened for the Necropants at PleatherFest.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 10:16 AM (kpS4V)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 21, 2025 10:53 AM (Zz0t1)
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I think morons could mold a book that did not contain the no go script. Hard? No doubt.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 10:53 AM (KDPiq)
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I am pausing my Dickens readthrough to go back to Glen Cook's Black Company. Though the book isn't perfect, it is right up my alley and it's great fun revisiting it.
Considering Cook avoids almost all battle scenes, you could probably make this book for cheap. But I wouldn't trust anyone in Hollywood with the making of it.
It's the week of Christmas. Daughter is coming home today, with her freshly banged up car because she just can't seem to figure out how to keep her bumpers to herself. My insurance is going to force me to drop her so I can afford to eat AND drive to work.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 21, 2025 10:55 AM (Zz0t1)
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Are the martians dying from our bacteria silly?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 21, 2025 10:42 AM (pkeXY)
No sillier than playing a harmonica.
Posted by: Somerset Frisby at December 21, 2025 10:55 AM (uQesX)
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You'd have to write the entire story without using the '-ed' suffix. Thing of how you would need to twist your syntax and grammar just to do that.
Posted by: Castle Guy at December 21, 2025 10:35 AM (Lhaco)
Just write the story in present tense. Duh.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 10:57 AM (uQesX)
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can't seem to figure out how to keep her bumpers to herself.
_-_
I have a sister like that. Dad used to say she was born under the sign of sheet metal.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 21, 2025 10:57 AM (vd6bO)
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I did start reading a book I've had for years, just never cracked.
Glenn Beck's An Inconvenient Book.
I lost interest right after reading his chapter on islham. You see, he's read the koran and believes it preaches peace, unity, kindness and all sorts of other bullshit.
"Did you get the King Abdula's Version that redacted all the "kill the nonbeliever and Jew" bits?
I don't think I'll be finishing it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 21, 2025 10:57 AM (Zz0t1)
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You'd have to write the entire story without using the '-ed' suffix. Thing of how you would need to twist your syntax and grammar just to do that.
Posted by: Castle Guy at December 21, 2025 10:35 AM (Lhaco)
Gad. It would be less irritating to read Naked Lunch or Finnegan's Wake.
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Never watched Sliders and did not know about that one. The intertubes tells me the one I was thinking of was Counterpart. It had 20 episodes and starred JK Simmons. Rotten Tomatoes gives it 100%
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 10:58 AM (KDPiq)
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 10:58 AM (bXbFr)
264Thank you Perfessor! Another good book thread.
Posted by: TRex - dewey decimal dino at December 21, 2025 10:52 AM (IQ6Gq)
He does do a good job. It's amazing how much work goes into a once a week thread. I can't imagine doing this shit day in and day out. Seems overwhelming.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 21, 2025 10:58 AM (Zz0t1)
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result of the Shapley Zone of Intense Radiation
Tits?
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 21, 2025 10:59 AM (Kt19C)
266 Reading Piano Man by Charles Beauclerk, a biography of British pianist John Ogdon.
Winner of the 1962 Tchaikovsky Competition. Ogdon was a prodigiously talented pianist with a huge repertoire and extraordinary technique. But he had lifelong mental problems. He was the child of a tyrannical lunatic father and an unloving stage mother. His success at the keyboard led his agency to overwork and underpay him.
In 1973, he had a severe breakdown due to bipolar disorder. He never truly recovered and was in and out of mental institutions before dying in 1989 of undiagnosed diabetes. Even through all this, he continued to perform at an astonishing level, including a complete performance of Sorabji's 4 1/2 hour Opus Clavicembalisticum.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 21, 2025 11:00 AM (tgvbd)
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One of the funny things about Adrian Tchaikovsky is his affected public persona - the half-mad 19th century Russian writer.
He's also a tabletop gamer DM and LARPer.
Posted by: 13times at December 21, 2025 11:00 AM (fnZRl)
268Tits?
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 21, 2025
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Those would fall under the Shapely Zone of Intense Attraction
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 11:00 AM (wzUl9)
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Tits?
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 21, 2025 10:59 AM (Kt19C)
Maybe, but I was thinking along the lines of bumpers.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 11:02 AM (uQesX)
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He does do a good job. It's amazing how much work goes into a once a week thread. I can't imagine doing this shit day in and day out. Seems overwhelming.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 21, 2025 10:58 AM (Zz0t1)
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I got it easy compared to some of the other COBs...
CBD does three threads on Sunday alone. (political thread, FWP, and Food)
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Think of how many synonyms for Breasts that don’t contain an e.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 11:02 AM (KDPiq)
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Just read Carmac McCarthy's The Road. I had stumbled across the movie, and a young friend recommended the book. I traded him a Matt Bracken novel. He came back for more
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 21, 2025 11:02 AM (vd6bO)
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Fringe had an interesting take about intervening in alt universes
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 11:03 AM (bXbFr)
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 21, 2025 11:03 AM (bXbFr)
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Just read Carmac McCarthy's The Road. I had stumbled across the movie, and a young friend recommended the book. I traded him a Matt Bracken novel. He came back for more
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 21, 2025 11:02 AM (vd6bO)
I kind of liked the movie The Road which is a minority opinion at aos.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 11:04 AM (KDPiq)
276 By the way, I also thought concerning the author if he was one of those Beauclerks. He is, in fact, the heir apparent to the Dukedom of St. Albans.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 21, 2025 11:04 AM (tgvbd)
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Think of how many synonyms for Breasts that don’t contain an e.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 11:02 AM (KDPiq)
Boobs, fun bags, tatas, bazooms....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 11:04 AM (uQesX)
278 CBD does three threads on Sunday alone. (political thread, FWP, and Food)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2025 11:02 AM (ESVrU)
It's hard enough to comment on threads throughout the days. Coming up with actual content makes my head hurt.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 21, 2025 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)
279Think of how many synonyms for Breasts that don’t contain an e.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 11:02 AM (KDPiq)
Boobs, fun bags, tatas, bazooms....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 11:04 AM (uQesX)
Headlig...........crap.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 21, 2025 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)
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Regarding the ST:TNG book, it sounds like they took a read through Jack Vance's "The Moon Moth" (and other stories) and ran with it. In his, though, not only is there a really strong emphasis on your mask dictating your station in the civilization, but your ability to communicate relied on your musical ability with several different instruments in the course of any daily interaction. Vance built a fascinating world, and I'm genuinely curious what the TNG writers did in the same vein.
Posted by: Known Issue at December 21, 2025 11:05 AM (51zy4)
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Verner Vinge's Deep is just such a stupid concept. I cannot suspend disbelief.
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See Connie Willis' "Doomsday Book" for an unintended time travel storyline.
Posted by: Tuna at December 21, 2025 10:36 AM (lJ0H4)
Also see her two " Black Out" and "All Clear." Things don't go as planned...or do they.
Posted by: Wethal at December 21, 2025 11:06 AM (Gv+CU)
283
Also reading The Plague and I by Betty MacDonald.
Posted by: 13times at December 21, 2025 11:09 AM (fnZRl)
284Think of how many synonyms for Breasts that don’t contain an e.
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Boobs, fun bags, tatas, bazooms....
Pretty much any random sequence of syllables that doesn't already have a meaning can instantly become a euphemism for breasts.
Bazongas
Whooktafoos
Yangabroos
Hmm, there may be some subtle rule about ending in a vowel sound. There's probably a master's thesis in there somewhere.
Posted by: Oddbob at December 21, 2025 11:10 AM (3nLb4)
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I like it when just brutal, cold-blooded force is the solution to the antagonist. Lots of sci-fi/fantasy uses it. Riddick comes to mind. Movies like those don't have or need big explanations about any technology used either. I think that's why The Expanse was so successful. When technology was mentioned, it was in the sense that everyone already knew the basic premise of all of it.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 21, 2025 11:11 AM (g8Ew8)
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I kind of liked the movie The Road which is a minority opinion at aos.
_-_
I find it interesting to see how others see potential post-apocalyptic scenarios without too much worry about plausibility and such. More interested in how people perceive the topic.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 21, 2025 11:12 AM (vd6bO)
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My take on FTL travel is that it might be a real possibility if there were some hitherto unknown dimension where everything in the universe is close together. A two-dimensional analogy would be a roll of tape - the distance between two distant points along the length of the tape is much shorter if you just punch through the layers.
Posted by: Toad-0 at December 21, 2025 11:13 AM (h0KDp)
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A two-dimensional analogy would be a roll of tape - the distance between two distant points along the length of the tape is much shorter if you just punch through the layers.
Posted by: Toad-0 at December 21, 2025 11:13 AM (h0KDp)
Space is flat, so sayeth Prof. Brian Cox. But made up of layers. If space is curved, that seems to be a possible way of moving through it faster. I'm sure it's been discussed before.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 11:16 AM (uQesX)
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Your cat ok now?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 10:40 AM (uQesX)
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She's found a patch of sunlight close enough to my leg to bother me, so yes, all is right with her world.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 11:19 AM (kpS4V)
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> Or maybe write a story only using the letter "e."
When I taught English in China, one of my students made me a calligraphic copy of "The Lion-Eating Poet in the Stone Den" (施氏食獅史, which is a whole story in which every syllable is "shi".
Posted by: pjungwir at December 21, 2025 11:19 AM (noE7F)
291 No sillier than playing a harmonica.
Posted by: Somerset Frisby
Ol' Rear-Engine Frisby
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 21, 2025 11:21 AM (pkeXY)
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Posted by: Toad-0 at December 21, 2025 11:13 AM (h0KDp)
Or like they showed in Interstellar, folding space like a piece of paper.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 11:21 AM (KDPiq)
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I like the use of infinite dimensions happening at the same time. With the next one in line just slightly different. Even travel to the millionth dimension could have some big surprises. The billionth would be a mind-fuck.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 21, 2025 11:23 AM (g8Ew8)
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I kind of liked the movie The Road which is a minority opinion at aos.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 11:04 AM (KDPiq)
I thought The Road was pretty good too, with the exception of the Boy. He looked entirely too well fed for a world that was dying of starvation. I guess Hollywood won't put child stars on starvation diets and feed them amphetamines anymore.
Posted by: Zombie Judy Garland at December 21, 2025 11:27 AM (lLEcp)
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Hmm, what's the difference between science fiction and science fact and success in popular authorship?
Hint: It's like the difference between colorful imagination and ADD Shaped Autistic Sheldon Cooper.
Posted by: 13times at December 21, 2025 11:28 AM (a60nX)
This reminds me of Star Trek VI when the crew escapes disaster by on-the-spot inventing and building and using a . . . heat-seeking missile.
Posted by: pjungwir at December 21, 2025 11:29 AM (noE7F)
297Verner Vinge's Deep is just such a stupid concept. I cannot suspend disbelief.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at December 21, 2025 11:05 AM (xcxpd)
I took an Electrical Engineering class in college once. Teacher's aide drew a schematic on the whiteboard that had 2 different voltages pointed at each other with a resistor in between. "Give me the voltage at 'wee 1' (Asian with poor english skills)."
"Zero. It lights a fire."
"No. You must throw logic out window."
"!??!?!?"
I dropped the class and changed my major.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 21, 2025 11:31 AM (Zz0t1)
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I enjoyed Vinge’s Fire upon the Deep a great deal, it was a way of inverting assumptions and setting up differing levels of tech sophistication in his universe. The story was very consistent with itself, so it worked.
One tongue in cheek trick he wrote into it - and I corresponded with some big fans of his who gave me an autographed copy - is that the Big Bad that emerges and starts to take over every advanced system is really just a super-virus. And our protagonist defeats it at the end by essentially partitioning the galactic disk and reformatting it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 21, 2025 11:33 AM (0anTZ)
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'A writer's group in 1785, arguing about how many live chickens you would need to take along during your hot air balloon trip to the Moon.'
That's just silly. Everyone knows the first visitors to the moon will be fired out of a cannon.
Posted by: 19th Century Writers group at December 21, 2025 11:33 AM (fd80v)
'Zed' from an Indian TA was the one that tripped me up. Also changed majors, but kept it as a minor. Took them a minute to figure out how to do that.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 21, 2025 11:35 AM (vd6bO)
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Or like they showed in Interstellar, folding space like a piece of paper.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 11:21 AM (KDPiq)
They should have brought in a Guild Navigator.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 21, 2025 11:35 AM (0anTZ)
302
Lol, Carlson went to Qatar, came back and told a bunch of kids at TPUSA that we should embrace Islam?
THAT'S this chameleon's final form? Too funny. I didn't quite see that coming, so it adds a frisson of the unexpected.
9/10.
If he starts wearing a keffiyeh, he gets a perfect score in the Griftlympics.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 21, 2025 11:36 AM (s2ZnS)
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If he starts wearing a keffiyeh, he gets a perfect score in the Griftlympics.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 21, 2025 11:36 AM (s2ZnS)
There was a great meme on the Bee yesterday, showed Carlson pausing his speech to pull out a rug and pray to Mecca.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 21, 2025 11:39 AM (0anTZ)
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'I'm pretty sure you have to watch Cobra directly afterward or you'll get AIDS.'
AIDS is the disease.
I'm the cure.
Posted by: Cobra at December 21, 2025 11:40 AM (fd80v)
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Reading two novels that are very far apart in style. George Eliot's Adam Bede and Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses but enjoying them both. And a couple of Christmas short stories from my late mother's Norman Rockwell Christmas.
Posted by: who knew at December 21, 2025 11:40 AM (+ViXu)
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I was pretty happy to hear Tulsi Gabbard on the topic of Islam. Sorta gives a fella hope. False hope, I'm pretty sure, but for now I'll take it.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 21, 2025 11:43 AM (vd6bO)
I lost interest right after reading his chapter on islham. You see, he's read the koran and believes it preaches peace, unity, kindness and all sorts of other bullshit.'
Not finishing it? Just because Beck revealed that he's a fool?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 21, 2025 11:46 AM (fd80v)
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If he starts wearing a keffiyeh, he gets a perfect score in the Griftlympics.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 21, 2025 11:36 AM (s2ZnS)
There was a great meme on the Bee yesterday, showed Carlson pausing his speech to pull out a rug and pray to Mecca.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 21, 2025 11:39 AM (0anTZ)
I listened to his whole speech.
There was nothing he said that anyone who considers himself to be a Christian would object to.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2025 11:47 AM (aIUZW)
309 'Zed' from an Indian TA was the one that tripped me up.
Did he wear a red diaper?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 21, 2025 11:47 AM (pkeXY)
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I read Brideshead Revisited and really enjoyed it The catholicsm is at first hidden, then questioned, then mocked, and finally embraced. Not what i expected. Waugh is a beautiful writer, especially when describing complex emotions. Now I'm reading ( because of Horde recommendations) the first collection of the Fr. Brown mysteries, which i am enjoying too! They remind me of a grown up version of the Encyclopedia Brown mysteries, which I loved as a child Maybe the Fr and Encyclopedia are distantly related?
Posted by: LASue at December 21, 2025 11:50 AM (lCppi)
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236 They had a series once where they had discovered a door between ( non super hero) multiverses. I never watched it but remember the previews.
Posted by: Opinion fact at December 21, 2025 10:45 AM (KDPiq)
Counterpart (2017-2019) on Starz.
I got way too interested in that show and they pulled it after two seasons.
It was actually pretty good, at least I thought so.
Was much better than the aforementioned 12 Monkeys.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at December 21, 2025 11:52 AM (6ydKt)
Sarah Hoyt is a lying POS who has falsely accused me of Stolen Valor and refuses to look at my DD214 and post a retraction and apology.
Posted by: Fen at December 21, 2025 12:07 PM (T7Acs)
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I finished the third book in the Skaith series by Leigh Brackett, The Reivers of Skaith. The starship captains John Stark asked to take a delegation to the Galactic Union heartworld, Pax, turn out to be pirates, who begin to loot Skaith just as the Old Sun begins to fade again, driving a second Wandering as crops fail and the peoples of the cooling temperate zones attempt to take and hold lands at the equator, overwhelming the benevolence of the Wandsmen and the Lord Protectors of Skaith. Eric John Stark must retake Ged Darod, the heart of the Wandsmen's bureaucracy, recover the transceiver to contact the starships, and attempt to rescue himself, his foster father, and the peoples of Skaith in the face of disaster, cold and bloody prophecy.
Brackett sets out a world of collapsing and decadent societies, with the various religions circling Skaith-our-Mother, the Old Sun, and the three elements of the Lord Darkness, his Lady Cold, and their daughter Hunger.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 21, 2025 12:07 PM (rbvCR)
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Thanks to the Perfessor and all of you for another solid Book Thread. Have a good Christmas!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 21, 2025 12:06 PM (wzUl9)
Gonna spend time checking out OH today, Wolfus?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 21, 2025 12:08 PM (uQesX)
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Thanks again, Perfessor. A delight, as always.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 21, 2025 12:08 PM (kpS4V)
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For some reason this San Fran power outage causing Waymo traffic jams as they stop dead at intersections because the lights aren't working just amuses me to no end.
Another case of SciFi meeting reality.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at December 21, 2025 12:10 PM (6ydKt)
Posted by: Admirale's Mate at December 21, 2025 12:12 PM (/enuJ)
326I think telling your enemies "f*ck you" is from the Sermon On the Mount. "Blessed are the corrupt law enforcement officers for they shall f*ck you up!"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 21, 2025 10:31 AM (L/fGl)
What a silly goose, everyone knows that wasn't from the Sermon On the Mount., it was written by David Mamet
Posted by: Kindltot at December 21, 2025 12:40 PM (rbvCR)
327Also reading The Plague and I by Betty MacDonald.
Posted by: 13times at December 21, 2025 11:09 AM (fnZRl)
She is a very good writer. When you get done with her books, you can read her sister, Mary Bard. The books sort of overlap.
My dad's family is from around Puget sound, so a lot of the personalities in those books are achingly familiar
Posted by: Kindltot at December 21, 2025 12:45 PM (rbvCR)
Scientific Info Dumps: This is the hardest one for me, as in, I spend a lot of time giving the reader the exact information they need to understand the story, which is taking place on an alien planet and usually involves insectoids with entirely different social/tech structures.
Apart from that, I think I'm doing okay:
Aliens with Silly Weaknesses: My aliens weaknesses are almost entirely social.
Slopppy Time Travel: Time travel is impossible. I've never written a TT story. (OTOH, Kroese's "Iron Dragon" is great.)
Rushed Romance: My protagonist meets his future wife in one scene in book 1, dates her in book 2, gets serious in book 3, marries her in book 4.
Tech Ex Machina: Nah, bra. Usually there's a shifting of understanding, a social trick, combat, or all of the above.
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But the info dump problem is real. It's very demanding to the reader to require them to get into alien mindsets, social issues, struggles...in one 80K book.
If memory serves (and it's pretty shaky today) he brought this out in one of the later 'Ringworld' novels. Probably the last one where the races of Known Space are fighting over the Ringworld.
Posted by: Brewingfrog at December 21, 2025 01:48 PM (vlhQm)
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Today started my annual read of 'A Christmas Carol'. Every year I find (or assign) some additional meaning in the text.
Every year I am struck by Jacob Marley's adressing Scrooge:
"I am here to-night to warn you, that you have yet a chance and hope of escaping my fate. A chance and hope of my own procuring, Ebenezer."
We often make jokes about what constitutes a good friend, but the above very movingly transcends anything in the mortal sense.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2025 01:49 PM (XeU6L)
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