The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

Fordow, the underground facility where most of Iran's centrifuges are hidden is the key to destroying their nuclear weapons program. It is under a mountain, supposedly 300 feet deep, and therefore very, very difficult to destroy with conventional bombs. Israel has the GBU-28, which is a 5,000 pound "bunker buster," but it is thought to be too small to do enough damage to Fordow. Israel does not have the largest bomb in the American inventory, the GBU-57, which is a 30,000 pound "Massive Ordnance Penetrator." And even if it did, it does not have the heavy bombers to deliver it.

How Much Damage Has Israel Inflicted on Iran's Nuclear Program?
[leftist-driven reporting warning!]

At Iran's underground Fordow enrichment plant, the country's second uranium enrichment facility, the IAEA observed "no damage" following the attacks, Grossi said.

Israel's military is innovative, and could probably use a military cargo plane to deliver the GBU-57, although it would be a much easier operation if the United States simply used its own B-2s to destroy Fordow. But hopefully that is not going to happen. Yes, it would be the quickest and safest way to deal with the Mad Mullah's and their apocalyptic insanity, but in the short term this is Israel's problem, and Israel should deal with it.

The image of tiny Israel dealing such damage to both the infrastructure and the political and military leadership of Iran is a powerful message to Islam, and overt American involvement would decrease the strength of that message. Should the United States sell to Israel the ordnance needed to destroy their nuclear facilities? Absolutely. Should America drop those bombs ourselves? Absolutely not!

However, the long term is a very different thing, and if the theocracy survives this war, they will undoubtedly resume their drive for nuclear weapons with which to destroy Israel...and America. Yup, that is their stated goal, and they have spent their 45 years in power doing everything they could to achieve that goal.

In addition to their nuclear ambitions, Iran ramped up production of conventional ballistic missiles, with the ultimate goal of being able to overwhelm Israel's missile defense systems. The twin threat of perhaps thousands of missiles being launched, with a few nuclear-tipped missiles in the mix is untenable. That is why Israel acted now, because they are Iran's first target. But there is no reason to assume that those missiles wouldn't be used against the Saudis or the Egyptians or the French. And who knows whether the Iranians are planning ICBMs that can reach the eastern seaboard of America!

It is irrational for the West to humor Iran and ignore its clearly stated goals. Luckily we have President Trump, who takes them at their word! Imagine a world without his leadership and clarity of purpose. A Kamala Harris administration would be dithering and muddying and pressing Israel to withdraw from Gaza, and would have restarted the catastrophic nuclear agreement with Iran that Obama signed. The United Nations would be busily pumping out resolutions calling for Israel's destruction, and Iran's proxies would be emboldened.

Instead we have the Trump administration's masterful command of the Iran negotiations that clearly fooled the Mullahs into believing that their usual delaying tactics and obfuscation would continue to work.

Whoops! Whoopsie!

And rumor has it that they are contacting both Israel and the United States to end the war and return to the negotiating table. But nothing will have changed if that occurs, and it would be naive in the extreme for Israel or America to accede to their request.

Of course it is entirely possible that the Israeli decapitation of Iranian leadership will embolden the Iranian people to continue that work and overthrow the Mullahs. What comes after that is anybody's guess, and the odds of exchanging one group of madmen for another are not long. But Iran was (mostly) free before, and maybe they can be free again!

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Posted by: CBD at 10:59 AM

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1 First?

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at June 17, 2025 10:59 AM (w9Wax)

2 I'll noodify the others.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at June 17, 2025 10:59 AM (w9Wax)

3 Mornin' again Hordians. (Thanks Stu.)

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 17, 2025 11:00 AM (O7YUW)

4 MONKEY!

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 17, 2025 11:01 AM (zjgNU)

5 Yup.

If Iran's entirely nuclear program isn't erased, along with the leadership, scientists, and 'religious' figures who drove, espoused, and encourage it, this is all for naught.

Finish the job, Israel. You've finally got a President who won't stop you.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:01 AM (lHAAk)

6 "Massive Ordnance Penetrator"

[giggles]

The jokes write themselves ....

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 11:01 AM (iFTx/)

7 JackPoso@JackPosobiec

Regime Change Recent Scorecard:

Iraq: Chaos, death, Shia take power

Syria: Refugees flood Europe, ISIS,

Afghanistan: Taliban won, got our equipment

Libya: Benghazi, Refugees flood Europe

Ukraine: Massive war, countless deaths

Posted by: Mister Ghost at June 17, 2025 11:02 AM (TGPs7)

8 Bomb all the entrances to the facility. If it looks like they’re trying to excavate, bomb it some more.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2025 11:02 AM (u73oe)

9 Not enough

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2025 11:03 AM (+qU29)

10 Rent-a-Buff

Only for certain people.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:03 AM (bss/y)

11 "Massive Ordnance Penetrator"

[giggles]

The jokes write themselves ....

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 11:01 AM (iFTx/)

Oh, it's not a joke, I assure you.

Posted by: The Paolo's latest 'friend' at June 17, 2025 11:03 AM (lHAAk)

12 Instead we have the Trump administration's masterful command of the Iran negotiations that clearly fooled the Mullahs into believing that their usual delaying tactics and obfuscation would continue to work.

The negotiations need to consist of the following:

You will surrender all of your uranium enrichment programs and facilities, and we will destroy them with charges placed by our personnel, in the facilities. There will be no "inspections" of ongoing programs and other opportunities for you to cheat. You're done. Period. If you refuse, then it will go very poorly for you.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:03 AM (s8j++)

13 Why is IKEA inspecting a nuclear site?

Posted by: Damn blueprints make NO sense at June 17, 2025 11:03 AM (TbWk/)

14 "At Iran's underground Fordow enrichment plant, the country's second uranium enrichment facility, the IAEA observed 'no damage' following the attacks, Grossi said."

How does the IAEA know that? They sent inspectors there 45 minutes after the bomb strikes?

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 11:04 AM (iFTx/)

15 3 Mornin' again Hordians.

gonna be a gen-yoo-ine hordenanny in here!

Posted by: anachronda at June 17, 2025 11:04 AM (sGtp+)

16 "Massive Ordnance Penetrator"

[giggles]

The jokes write themselves ....

Paolo considered it, and then said "nah, too easy".

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:04 AM (s8j++)

17 Why is IKEA inspecting a nuclear site?
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Because its in pieces.

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 11:04 AM (TN0g+)

18 "Instead we have the Trump administration's masterful command of the Iran negotiations that clearly fooled the Mullahs into believing that their usual delaying tactics and obfuscation would continue to work."

Posted by: CBD at 10:59 AM

Most of our "elite" "diplomats" think that everyone is dumber than they are.

They also think that they can negotiate in good faith with Muslims.

Meanwhile, the entire history of Islam, their entire culture, their "holy" false prohet, and their "holy" book not only condones treachery, but praises it.

Their most revered figures are the ones who stabbed people in the back after negotiating peace. Islam hasn't changed, but the "elites" on our side have gotten stupider.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 17, 2025 11:05 AM (zjgNU)

19 Why is IKEA inspecting a nuclear site?
Posted by: Damn blueprints make NO sense at June 17, 2025 11:03 AM (TbWk/)

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Ok, we rebuilt the centrifuges. What are all these extra parts for?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2025 11:05 AM (u73oe)

20 So, to bunker bust or not to bunker bust, that is the question… WE do it, or it does not get done… sort of a Rubicon??

Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:05 AM (PCK5/)

21 "At Iran's underground Fordow enrichment plant, the country's second uranium enrichment facility, the IAEA observed 'no damage' following the attacks, Grossi said."

How does the IAEA know that? They sent inspectors there 45 minutes after the bomb strikes?

It's safe to assume the IAEA is on Iran's side. Act accordingly.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:05 AM (s8j++)

22 Where is Maverick when you need him ?

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 11:05 AM (VofaG)

23 The Israelis should get ahold of those things in the black sarcophagi in Antarctica.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 11:06 AM (77rzZ)

24 IAEA also sells excellent frozen Swedish meatballs.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at June 17, 2025 11:06 AM (w9Wax)

25 >>Where is Maverick when you need him ?

Still dead. Funeral ongoing...

Posted by: one hour sober at June 17, 2025 11:06 AM (Y1sOo)

26
Israel does not have the largest bomb in the American inventory, the GBU-57, which is a 30,000 pound "Massive Ordnance Penetrator." And even if it did, it does not have the heavy bombers to deliver it.

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Can we lease something out? Paint a B-2 in IAF livery? Stencil "Shalom" on a GBU-57?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 17, 2025 11:06 AM (QnmlO)

27 From last thread:
one ex MLB player threatens to pull support for Trump if we proceed with military action against Iran and the Left thinks that is a larger sign of lost support.
Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 10:55 AM (VofaG)

I have to agree. I am not going to pull 'support' per se, but I think it is the wrong call to get involved now.

Israel already has them on the ropes. At this point I do not see much gain for the investment anyway.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:06 AM (bss/y)

28 13 Why is IKEA inspecting a nuclear site?
Posted by: Damn blueprints make NO sense at June 17, 2025 11:03 AM (TbWk/)

Well, their BILLY bookcases can be repurposed for a variety of projects...

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 17, 2025 11:07 AM (PiwSw)

29 Trump could get a new Popular Iranian Government a great deal on Used Facilities tours for a Port rebuild.

Posted by: DaveA at June 17, 2025 11:07 AM (FhXTo)

30 IAEA also sells excellent frozen Swedish meatballs.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at June 17, 2025 11:06 AM (w9Wax)

Just nuke 'em for two minutes and they're ready to eat!

Posted by: And they glow too! at June 17, 2025 11:07 AM (TbWk/)

31 I wonder what the maximum penetration depth of a large "Rod from God" would be. I suspect it could destroy Fordow.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:07 AM (s8j++)

32 Where is Maverick when you need him ?

Israel blew up the Iranian F-14 that he he was going to take...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 11:08 AM (t0Rmr)

33 27 I have to agree. I am not going to pull 'support' per se, but I think it is the wrong call to get involved now.

Israel already has them on the ropes. At this point I do not see much gain for the investment anyway.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:06 AM (bss/y)

=======

And Trump saying, "We're not getting involved," seems to never be an important part of people's analysis.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:08 AM (GBKbO)

34 At Iran's underground Fordow enrichment plant, the country's second uranium enrichment facility, the IAEA observed "no damage" following the attacks, Grossi said.

Maybe the IAEA should have provided better coordinates.

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2025 11:08 AM (qLZZ/)

35 Mommy Doktor Jill! I made a bunker buster in my pants!

Posted by: President Emeritus at June 17, 2025 11:09 AM (G5+As)

36 Or Isreal could just nuke Fordow.

Huh, guess they did Have A bomb... Anyways.

Posted by: DaveA at June 17, 2025 11:09 AM (FhXTo)

37 @26/Hadrian: "Can we lease something out?"

The Lend/Lease act of 1941 set the precedent, so yes, that could theoretically be done, but it'd need Congress.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 17, 2025 11:09 AM (O7YUW)

38 Is there anything they could do the mountain that could destroy the facility?

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 11:09 AM (77rzZ)

39 Most of our "elite" "diplomats" think that everyone is dumber than they are.

They also think that they can negotiate in good faith with Muslims.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 17, 2025 11:05 AM (zjgNU)
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The State Department has been operating in Cold War mode even after the fall of the USSR and the Berlin Wall.

The institutional lore from all of the old timers of the era was that we can always operate under a gentleman's agreement where we all talk a big game and then do fuckall. All just kabuki theatre to keep everyone's phony-baloney jobs safe.

There is no gentleman's agreement to be had with fanatical muslims. It took DJT and, strangely I guess, Marco Rubio to come in and tell all of our "elite" diplomats What Time It Is.

Also don't get me started on John Kerry's psychosexual fixation on jerking these assholes off.

Posted by: ballistic at June 17, 2025 11:10 AM (3BwY8)

40 "Nothing will have changed", except all their data libraries are destroyed, without which the Itanians have no record of their experiments, "dozens" of their nuclear engineers and scientists are dead, all of their enrichment facilities other than Fordow are completely destroyed, their trigger manufacturing and assembly plants are gone, without which they cannot explode a bomb, and the top four levels of their military decision makers are all dead. Their octogenarian dictator is reportedly in shock and hardly able to function. Understandably, given that a country one tenth his size has destroyed in kess than a week the military structures Iran has so carefully built over five decades.

Fordow is important, and maybe even a critical objective, but if it is not destroyed completely (ie, if the war stops short of that) I'd bet the Iranians are most likely unable to build a bomb.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:10 AM (oZT7M)

41 Hasn't Iran been 6 months away from a nuclear bomb for years? I remember Trump saying so in 2016

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:10 AM (RqMDa)

42 They also think that they can negotiate in good faith with Muslims.

I wonder. I suspect what they actually think is that they get paid a lot of money. They get to travel on an expense account a lot. They get to fly on private jets (government owned) and stay nice places in order to "negotiate".

Actually coming to a beneficial and lasting agreement means that the game is over. Who wants that? None of these people want to succeed, they want to "try" unsuccessfully for 40 years or so and then retire.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 11:11 AM (ExV1e)

43 >>And rumor has it that they are contacting both Israel and the United States to end the war and return to the negotiating table. But nothing will have changed if that occurs, and it would be naive in the extreme for Israel or America to accede to their request.

60 days.
They were given 60 days.
They chose to not negotiate when the opportunity was presented.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2025 11:11 AM (72zuV)

44 I think some of the more impenetrable sites will have to be dismantled from within. The equipment and materials needed to make nuclear weapons have to be removed. Sure, if the current crop of mad mullahs retains control of government there they will, no doubt, attempt to buy all the gear necessary to begin again.

So, don't do that. Run them off now. Or kill them. Whatever.

Israel has air superiority over Iran. That's one of the requirements to being able to operate on the ground. Might the other requirements be forthcoming?

We may find out.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2025 11:12 AM (Q4IgG)

45 So in other words, destroying Iran's nukular capability was just a lie to justify this action.

Where have I see that before.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:12 AM (dGCAG)

46 I shouldn't be up yet, but could go make coffee while deciding

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2025 11:12 AM (+qU29)

47 without which the Itanians
Posted by: Huck Follywood

Heck with IKEA. The Itanians definitely make the best meatballs.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 11:12 AM (77rzZ)

48 Back to work for me. I'll check in later.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 17, 2025 11:13 AM (O7YUW)

49 Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:06 AM (bss/y)

Your position is different. There is nothing wrong with being against military action unless its obviously needed ( I'm sure that may be a possibility depending on a lot of factors) and being disappointed or even mad at Trump. His position was more I'm going to take my ball and go home and hell with any other issue that may damager our country.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 11:13 AM (VofaG)

50 Just bomb all the entry points to Fordow. Without the ability get vehicles into the facility it becomes useless.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:13 AM (oZT7M)

51 Quick question: Anyone seen or heard from John Kerry?

He was so busy inserting himself into negotiations with Iran - on Iran's side - during Trump's presidency, I have to wonder what he's been up to lately. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2025 11:13 AM (72zuV)

52 Israel has air superiority over Iran. That's one of the requirements to being able to operate on the ground. Might the other requirements be forthcoming?

We may find out.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2025 11:12 AM (Q4IgG)

Israel simply cannot operate on the ground in Iran.

If only because Iran is 1,500 miles away from Israel.

Posted by: The Paolo's latest 'friend' at June 17, 2025 11:13 AM (lHAAk)

53 Most of our "elite" "diplomats" think that everyone is dumber than they are.

They also think that they can negotiate in good faith with Muslims.
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Arab tribal culture* respects the strong horse. Which doesn't describe the effete know nothings in Western state departments. Despite classic horseface, John Kerry was never the strong horse.

*Obviously Iran is Persian, but like most of the moslem world, it is heavily influenced by their Arab conquerers. Though, who doesn't respect the strong horse?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2025 11:13 AM (Dv3i1)

54 So, to bunker bust or not to bunker bust, that is the question… WE do it, or it does not get done… sort of a Rubicon??
Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:05 AM (PCK5/)

Not really. Ukraine has been using numerous weapons systems that they have neither the capacity to produce, the money to purchase, nor the training to use. Everyone just pretends that it's the Ukrainians doing it.

Stick an Israeli AF officer in a B2 and let them push the button at the appropriate time to drop the bomb. Totally Israel.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 11:14 AM (ExV1e)

55 Skanky lady sock off

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:14 AM (lHAAk)

56 We don't need to destroy Fordow. We need to let Israel destroy the ayatollahs/mullahs and the new Iranian government can destroy Fordow from the inside.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at June 17, 2025 11:14 AM (dHPB4)

57 They also think that they can negotiate in good faith with Muslims.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 17, 2025 11:05 AM (zjgNU)

Negotiate in good faith?

Who's doing that? Certainly not the U.S. of A. If the U.S. says they want to negotiate, it's probably best to hurry up and get a bomb.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:14 AM (dGCAG)

58 Another option would be to fly drones with canisters of radioactive waste into the tunnels leading to the laboratories, then detonate to contaminate the tunnels and labs so thoroughly that nobody can go in for millennia. There's no other reason to go in there, so why not?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:15 AM (s8j++)

59 50 Just bomb all the entry points to Fordow. Without the ability get vehicles into the facility it becomes useless.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:13 AM (oZT7M)

This is probably the best approach without outside ( read-us) involvement… make it unusable, accessible… the place does not run on fairy dust…

Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:15 AM (PCK5/)

60 It’s funny how all the pro-Ukraine war people now are mad that the US is selling Israel arms to blow up Iran.

But to be fair, plenty of the reverse as well. Peeps who wanted nothing to do with Ukraine are now on the Bomb Iran to the Stone Age bandwagon.

I do think however there are also people who want the US neither get involved with either wars. These are Trump people for the most part. And this won’t make them happy. See Tim Dillon. Now I know people here will say oh he’s just a comedian who cares? Ok he’s a comedian. But he’s representative of the “podcast election” phenomenon. Those podcast hosts who were instrumental in spreading the Trump message to young people. And now they’re telling those same young people Trump is fucking up bigly by backing Israel. Not all of them but a lot of them.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:15 AM (/CkK4)

61 I would like Israel use back channels to let the rest of the world that *nothing* will be safe going in or out of Iran for the next couple of weeks. Those Mullahs that remain in Iran (assuming they are still there) must be hunted down and killed. They can be given no second chances absent and complete and public surrender.

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 11:15 AM (TN0g+)

62 We need to let Israel destroy the ayatollahs/mullahs and the new Iranian government can destroy Fordow from the inside.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at June 17, 2025 11:14 AM (dHPB4)

Just like Iraq did.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:15 AM (dGCAG)

63 Paint a B-2 in IAF livery?

Test Flight time.

Ooops, guess I should have showed you the safeties 1st on the drop screen... Lunch?

Posted by: DaveA at June 17, 2025 11:15 AM (FhXTo)

64 Finish the job, Israel. You've finally got a President who won't stop you.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider

Israel: Now what? We've never been here before.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2025 11:15 AM (PfGa7)

65 The only direct involvement by the US I can see is if Israel is unable to completely destroy the nuclear facilities on their own. All this for a one year delay to Iran's nuke development isn't going to cut it. If absolutely necessary, I could see our B-2s delivering the 30,000 lb bombs to finish off the nuke sites, but no other direct involvement such as killing Iranian leaders, etc. Otherwise we will be in the same situation in a year or so, with an even more determined Iranian Government, and we will regret not taking this unique opportunity now.

Posted by: Moot Quart at June 17, 2025 11:15 AM (qUkBO)

66 Israel simply cannot operate on the ground in Iran.

Mister, we could use a man like Alexander again.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 11:16 AM (77rzZ)

67 Guessing this guy wants a war so he can use it to criticize Trump? Really hate the war-hungry MSM.

https://tinyurl.com/3zbyw8c9

Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2025 11:16 AM (72zuV)

68 No matter what happens in Iran, as long as Islam remains it will be a source of trouble to the world. It's not the ayatollahs, it's not the mullahs, it's not the Iranians. It's Islam.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 17, 2025 11:16 AM (WPL6O)

69 Hasn't Iran been 6 months away from a nuclear bomb for years? I remember Trump saying so in 2016
Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:10 AM (RqMDa)

IIRC, that's a planned stopping point.

What it means is that if they decided to, they could take 6 months to finally get the proper enrichment for their uranium/plutonium.

As it stands, their nuclear material isn't enriched enough.

SOOOO, they can claim they don't have a bomb, but keep getting more material to the edge of the necessary enrichment level.

(That, of course, assumes they aren't just outright lying, which they probably are.)

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 17, 2025 11:16 AM (zjgNU)

70 Another option would be to fly drones with canisters of radioactive waste into the tunnels leading to the laboratories, then detonate to contaminate the tunnels and labs so thoroughly that nobody can go in for millennia. There's no other reason to go in there, so why not?
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Basically the fill-it-with-gas-and-strike-a-match option.

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 11:16 AM (TN0g+)

71 But to be fair, plenty of the reverse as well. Peeps who wanted nothing to do with Ukraine are now on the Bomb Iran to the Stone Age bandwagon.

Uke is not our war. Iran is.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2025 11:17 AM (PfGa7)

72 Good Morning Rant.

Carried over in part from the Morning Report, comment 364

US Senator Tim Kaine (gov)
Kaine Announces the Filing of a War Powers Resolution to Prevent War with Iran, 1 day ago (This is all over the msm now.)

That crap doesn't help. But hand-in-glove with O & Joe, they didn't touch them.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 17, 2025 11:17 AM (NFX2v)

73 It’s funny how all the pro-Ukraine war people now are mad that the US is selling Israel arms to blow up Iran.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:15 AM (/CkK4)

Who's doing that? Lindsay Graham and the Bushies and Cheneys are sucking and fucking each other over this.

The neocon warmongers are getting exactly what they want.

Who's complaining, other than people who think it's wrong to go to war because you suspect somebody might maybe be kinda sorta possibly getting a weapon that you don't want them to have.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:17 AM (dGCAG)

74 Are we using the spiffy new stealth bombers yet? I want to se us drop the MOP, maybe twice, then deny everything. Give the Israelis credit for an audacious ground operation resulting in the destruction of the site.

Is there reticence from letting the Chinese know they need to dig a little deeper? Is the cost of potentially revealing the capability greater than the benefit of blowing up the facility?

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at June 17, 2025 11:17 AM (pIfcn)

75
Israel simply cannot operate on the ground in Iran.

If only because Iran is 1,500 miles away from Israel.

I don't see why that makes it impossible. Fly a couple of SpecOps teams to Fordow, then tell the Iranians that anyone who attempts to get within 10 km of the facility will be obliterated by the Israels Air Force. Air supremacy has real value.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:17 AM (s8j++)

76 Finish the job, Israel. You've finally got a President who won't stop you.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider

Israel: Now what? We've never been here before.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2025 11:15 AM (PfGa7)

Oh. I thought I opened with that.

Finish the job, Israel. Wanna kill the Ayatollah? Get 'em. Want to sort out that pesky "Taliban Street" they have in Tehran? Go for it.

Every IRGC strike package you've ever wargamed, in your wildest hallucinations - send it.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:17 AM (lHAAk)

77 Is there anything they could do the mountain that could destroy the facility?
Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 11:09 AM (77rzZ)

Israel should announce that they've developed a chemical which will turn people Jewish is they get near it and then drop a bomb filled with talc on the site.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 11:17 AM (ExV1e)

78 How many complete online isolationists are there? I keep seeing that sobriquet being tossed about, but it feels like a strawman.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:18 AM (bss/y)

79 There are already Israeli boots on the ground in Iran… covertly. For them to “ take” Fordow, militarily is a nonstarter idea. Not ever going to happen… next speculation..

Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:18 AM (PCK5/)

80 Hasn't Iran been 6 months away from a nuclear bomb for years? I remember Trump saying so in 2016
Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:10 AM (RqMDa)

IIRC, that's a planned stopping

Iran’s been a few months away from a nuke for as long as I can remember. Going back to the GWB years. It’s like global warming. Were always 6 month away from the point of no return. And then the date moves out 6 months again.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:18 AM (/CkK4)

81 Uke is not our war. Iran is.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2025 11:17 AM (PfGa7)

They both are. Neither one would be happening if there weren't American dollars and weapons being poured in.

Your country kills whoever it wants. Own it.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:18 AM (dGCAG)

82 No need to worry. James Bond will sneak into Iran and infiltrate the Fordow facility and blow it up. Then he'll escape via hot air balloon with a Persian beauty.

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at June 17, 2025 11:19 AM (eb5mD)

83 Don't underestimate Islam's ability to raise armies around the world. It won't be destroyed if some Mullah goes away, another will just take his place.

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2025 11:19 AM (+qU29)

84 @33

>>And Trump saying, "We're not getting involved," seems to never be an important part of people's analysis.

There's involved and then there's "involved," we are most definitely, "invovled."

Iran deserves to be glassed after Beirut.

Trump is going to effectuate the toppling of the Iranian regime, one way or the other.

Trump > Reagan.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 11:19 AM (XV/Pl)

85 IMO, a nuclear Iran is as much America's problem as it is Israel's. We're #2 on Iran's hit list. So I have no problem with America handing the gun to Israel, and letting Israel pull the trigger.

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 11:19 AM (AOsQT)

86 Who's doing that? Lindsay Graham and the Bushies and Cheneys are sucking and fucking each other over this.

The neocon warmongers are getting exactly what they want.

Who's complaining, other than people who think it's wrong to go to war because you suspect somebody might maybe be kinda sorta possibly getting a weapon that you don't want them to have.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:17 AM (dGCAG)

I give zero fucks what Cheney or the Bushes think or do. I’m talking normal people.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:20 AM (/CkK4)

87 So, to bunker bust or not to bunker bust, that is the question… WE do it, or it does not get done… sort of a Rubicon??
Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:05 AM (PCK5/)

Not really. Ukraine has been using numerous weapons systems that they have neither the capacity to produce, the money to purchase, nor the training to use. Everyone just pretends that it's the Ukrainians doing it.

Stick an Israeli AF officer in a B2 and let them push the button at the appropriate time to drop the bomb. Totally Israel.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 11:14 AM (ExV1e)
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I actually don't care if its USAF dropping the bomb. Although, based on the reports of how deep this site is, and how well protected, I'm not sure that even a Deep Penetrator (giggles) would destroy it. I'm assuming the Iranians built it knowing the capabilities of Deep Penetrators (giggles again).

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 11:20 AM (iFTx/)

88
"Massive Ordnance Penetrator"

RAGG MOPP

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 17, 2025 11:20 AM (63Dwl)

89 84
There's involved and then there's "involved," we are most definitely, "invovled."

Iran deserves to be glassed after Beirut.

Trump is going to effectuate the toppling of the Iranian regime, one way or the other.

Trump > Reagan.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 11:19 AM (XV/Pl)

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"Involved" means continuing existing arms contracts that were expanded after 10/7 and sharing military intel.

Kind of what one would expect from an ally, you know.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:21 AM (GBKbO)

90 It seems Israel has prepared for and war-gammed this action with assets on the ground for many years. I would be surprised that they have no plan for taking out Fordow. But, what do I know, wait and see?

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at June 17, 2025 11:21 AM (+V9k3)

91 Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:15 AM (/CkK4)

Each stands on their own merit and facts. It's not contradictory depending on what you believe is in the best interest and security of the US.

That's why I hate illogical comparisons. At least after 40 years people stopped comparing every military action by us as another Vietnam.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 11:21 AM (VofaG)

92 Israel simply cannot operate on the ground in Iran
Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 11:16 AM (77rzZ)
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Except thy have done so for years. Remember, all the drone attacks that started this war came from inside Iran, from bases established by IDF personnel. And Mossad has been operating with impunity inside the country as well all week, hunting nuclear scientists and engineers, along with military leaders.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:21 AM (QRgMb)

93 Is there reticence from letting the Chinese know they need to dig a little deeper? Is the cost of potentially revealing the capability greater than the benefit of blowing up the facility?

I'm sure they've already done that. It's stupid to spend the same amount of money to dig a facility 300' deep when you could dig it into the side of a mountain so it's effectively 1500' deep.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:21 AM (s8j++)

94 Peeps who wanted nothing to do with Ukraine are now on the Bomb Iran to the Stone Age bandwagon.

Iran is our enemy - their choice. Russia is unfriendly - our choice.

See the difference?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 11:21 AM (ExV1e)

95 I give zero fucks what Cheney or the Bushes think or do. I’m talking normal people.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:20 AM (/CkK4)

Normal people's opinions obviously don't matter.

The neocon warmongers in DC won the day.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:21 AM (dGCAG)

96 It’s been a generation since Iraq. We’re due for a few thousand American boys to go get killed and maimed in some 3rd world shithole.

It’s the American way.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:22 AM (/CkK4)

97 What is interesting is the abandonment of Iran's rulers by Putin. Methinks, both Putin and Trump have a common enemy they are dismembering - China and Globo Homo. When you set out to decapitate the King - don't fail.

Posted by: pudinhead at June 17, 2025 11:22 AM (FmapG)

98 90 It seems Israel has prepared for and war-gammed this action with assets on the ground for many years.

this is about the stunning gams on some of those female idf soldiers, isn't it?

Posted by: anachronda at June 17, 2025 11:22 AM (sGtp+)

99 Putin stated that Russia will not help the mullahs. He knows a loser when he sees one.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2025 11:22 AM (2ocoG)

100 At least after 40 years people stopped comparing every military action by us as another Vietnam.
Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 11:21 AM (VofaG)

Compare, as in we had no business going to war in Vietnam, or any of these more recent ones either?

Because yeah, that strikes me as an apt comparison.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:23 AM (dGCAG)

101 I don't see why that makes it impossible. Fly a couple of SpecOps teams to Fordow, then tell the Iranians that anyone who attempts to get within 10 km of the facility will be obliterated by the Israels Air Force. Air supremacy has real value.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:17 AM (s8j++)

It absolutely does have real value. The daytime sorties prove that once again.

Fordow's just about dead nuts in the center of Iran. Assuming you successfully drop your team in, how do you get them out?

Rotors? That's not nearly the same as fighter superiority. You must have absolute (read as - complete) control of the entirety of the airspace AND ground all the way in and all the way out, or any Derka with an RPG can ruin your day.

Land fixed wing aircraft on Iranian fields? Same problem.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:23 AM (lHAAk)

102 The Uke war is about who gets possession of the Eastern provinces that want to join Russia (and voted for it)

The Iran war is about whether Iran should be allowed to have nuclear weapons and conduct attacks on Israel.

There is *no* way you can morally defend the former if you don't enthusiastically defend the latter.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 11:23 AM (t0Rmr)

103 There are already Israeli boots on the ground in Iran… covertly. For them to “ take” Fordow, militarily is a nonstarter idea. Not ever going to happen… next speculation..

It's odd that you accuse others of speculation, when you simply repeat the previous assertion with (again) absolutely nothing to back it up.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:24 AM (s8j++)

104 No matter what happens in Iran, as long as Islam remains it will be a source of trouble to the world. It's not the ayatollahs, it's not the mullahs, it's not the Iranians. It's Islam.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm

I read an article several years ago that maintained that even if we got rid of the mullahs, Iran could still be a troublemaker. The Iranians view themselves as the descendants of the ancient (non-Muslim) Achaemenids, entitled to be the dominant, hegemonic power in the Middle East, and so could still try to throw their weight around there.

Islam doesn't help, but it's not the only factor. Even a restored Zoroastrian Iran could still be a huge PITA. It was the Zoroastrians who were the inveterate enemies of ancient Rome, after all, before Islam was on the scene.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 11:24 AM (77rzZ)

105 On the upside, the older people in Iran remember the days of the Shah. Yes, there was a secret police but not a lot different than the religious police today. But they do remember the Western ways and the relaxed open sense of liberty. If enough of those older folks today want to return to that, they can. Further, many of the wealthy sent their kids to schools in Europe where they could stay for their entire education. Many remained. That could be the foundation for the future.
Or not. Hell, it's Iran we're talking about.

Posted by: Franco at June 17, 2025 11:24 AM (W/lyH)

106 Israel needs to find a way to steal the "moon rock".

Give it to Trump for safe keeping.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 17, 2025 11:24 AM (g8Ew8)

107 "The more they over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."

Posted by: Chief Engineer Scott at June 17, 2025 11:24 AM (TN0g+)

108 It’s funny how all the pro-Ukraine war people now are mad that the US is selling Israel arms to blow up Iran.

But to be fair, plenty of the reverse as well. Peeps who wanted nothing to do with Ukraine are now on the Bomb Iran to the Stone Age bandwagon.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:15 AM (/CkK4)

On Ukraine, it's not our fight. (Except of course that our "elites" have been meddling in that country for decades.) We should have kept out noses out of this to start with.

I have no beef with Russia. They abandoned their "DEATH TO AMERICA" crusade when the USSR fell.

Now they are a regional player. Significant, but as long as we stay out of their backyard, they would (mostly) leave us alone. (You know, kind of like a Monroe Doctrine gentleman's agreement.) I don't get the feeling they are really interested in us unless we get in their way.

Meanwhile, Iran has said it wants to destroy the USA, supports terrorist groups and wants to get a nuclear bomb.

Gee, why might people be a little more gung-ho about seeing Iran lose than Russia?

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 17, 2025 11:24 AM (zjgNU)

109 Skanky lady sock off
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:14 AM (lHAAk)

You know, a -tuah added to your hash would have been perfect.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 11:24 AM (kgE5c)

110 There's involved and then there's "involved," we are most definitely, "invovled."

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 11:19 AM (XV/Pl)

*remembers the difference betweein 'involved' and 'committed.'*

At breakfast, the chicken is involved. The pig is committed.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:24 AM (lHAAk)

111

My Ani, They Burn!

Posted by: The Mullah With Three Ani at June 17, 2025 11:24 AM (gYVB4)

112 Iran is our enemy - their choice. Russia is unfriendly - our choice.

See the difference?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 11:21 AM (ExV1e)

No, I really don't.

You think Russia is unfriendly? After we spent hundreds of billions to kill their people? You think they view us as just unfriendly?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:25 AM (dGCAG)

113 Iran’s been a few months away from a nuke for as long as I can remember. Going back to the GWB years. It’s like global warming. Were always 6 month away from the point of no return. And then the date moves out 6 months again.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:18 AM (/CkK4)

So it's bullshit made up by neocons to justify the forever war?

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:25 AM (RqMDa)

114 Compared to every other leader in contemporary time, for us, Trump is handling all of this marvelously… we are fortunate.

Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:25 AM (PCK5/)

115 Israel simply cannot operate on the ground in Iran.

If only because Iran is 1,500 miles away from Israel
*******

Except they already *have*. Not divisions of infantry, but mossad had people inside Iran to carry out the drone strikes that allowed the air superiority, and supported it with Spec ops.

There are probably spec ops teams wandering around Iran *now* depending on the goals.

At this point its pretty clear that weather or not Israel started from square one to attempt a regime change and give the people a chance to rise up - they've definitely shifted in that direction.

Weather that actually happens or not, is an open question. But Israel is definitely *trying* give locals a chance, if they'll take it.

Posted by: FrozenTech at June 17, 2025 11:25 AM (Q6XEv)

116 Any truth to the rumor Iranians have been painting lambs blood on the steel doors at Fordow, figuring "hey, it worked to avoid a plague in Egypt, maybe it'll work now...."

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:25 AM (EweYk)

117 @89

>>Kind of what one would expect from an ally, you know.

We're involved more than just giving the means of War, we're also providing SAT, Logistical and direct support through many vectors.

Which I don't mind at all, the day of Iran getting theirs has been a long time coming.

We're the great Satan? Oh you've seen nothing yet Ayatolah!!!

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 11:25 AM (XV/Pl)

118 But to be fair, plenty of the reverse as well. Peeps who wanted nothing to do with Ukraine are now on the Bomb Iran to the Stone Age bandwagon.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:15 AM (/CkK4)

One of these things is not like the other.

Ok, define: Ukraine always felt fake to me. Completely gay and lame. The faux patriotism we were supposed to display towards their 'dire' situation and the need to shovel cash their way just clanged with me. Combined with the fact that it was all occurring during Chinese Lung AIDS and it felt even more like a dodge.

Iran is a horse of a different color. At least as far as I am concerned. How long have we been doing this enrichment let's make a deal?

Plus, I am not sure what the Israelis are doing is 'bombing them back to the stone age'. This more looks like decapitation and then destroy their ability/desire to do the naughty radioactive things.

YMMV.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:25 AM (bss/y)

119 Seems we've been talking about Iran potentially getting a nuclear weapon for what, three decades by now?

Damn, Iran. Like, shit or get off the pot already.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2025 11:26 AM (KbCG3)

120 Off stupid sock.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2025 11:26 AM (W/lyH)

121 I ran out of space to say that I also don't think Ukrainians deserve all the death and destruction that's going on, either. But I don't take joy in seeing EITHER Russian or Ukrainian conscripts being loaded into the meat grinder.

I DO enjoy seeing Iranian commander meeting their "12 virgins", though.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 17, 2025 11:26 AM (zjgNU)

122 GBU-27s...GBU-58s. Whatever it takes.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2025 11:26 AM (W/lyH)

123 I assume the nuclear program is a convenient casus belli, but that this is in reality an extension of the counterattack for 10/7, given Iran's close ties to and support of Hamas. Iran has basically gotten away with waging a proxy terror war on Israel and US interests for decades, ever since the taking of our embassy. It poked a beehive this time.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 17, 2025 11:26 AM (guCHD)

124 Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:14 AM (lHAAk)

You know, a -tuah added to your hash would have been perfect.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 11:24 AM (kgE5c)

I could cycle my router for a thousand years and never get there.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:26 AM (lHAAk)

125 Whatever happens, don't let Iranians get to the four black sarcophagus's buried in Antarctic ice!!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:27 AM (EweYk)

126 Fordow's just about dead nuts in the center of Iran. Assuming you successfully drop your team in, how do you get them out?

Rotors? That's not nearly the same as fighter superiority. You must have absolute (read as - complete) control of the entirety of the airspace AND ground all the way in and all the way out, or any Derka with an RPG can ruin your day.

Land fixed wing aircraft on Iranian fields? Same problem.

Reasonable questions, to which I'm absolutely sure the Israelis already have answers.

The village of Fordow, where the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP) is located, is situated near Qom, Iran
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There is a small airport in Qom, Iran called Kushke Nosrat Airport (OIIC). However, it's not clear if this airport is operational for general use or specifically related to the Fordow facility. OurAirports lists 7 airports in Qom Province

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:27 AM (s8j++)

127 So it's bullshit made up by neocons to justify the forever war?
Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:25 AM (RqMDa)

Sir I think you may be onto something.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:27 AM (/CkK4)

128 Islam doesn't help, but it's not the only factor. Even a restored Zoroastrian Iran could still be a huge PITA. It was the Zoroastrians who were the inveterate enemies of ancient Rome, after all, before Islam was on the scene.
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The Romans did not bother with the Persians. That was Alexander and his Macedonians and some Greeks. The Persian Empire did not exist in Roman times. I would say that the Romans adopted Persian ways. See their road system.

Posted by: pudinhead at June 17, 2025 11:27 AM (FmapG)

129 Whatever happens, don't let Iranians get to the four black sarcophagus's buried in Antarctic ice!!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:27 AM (EweYk)
_________

"Will everyone just leave me the fuck alone?"

-- The Thing

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 11:28 AM (iFTx/)

130 (I should also say that I'm VERY happy to let Israel deal with the existential threat rather than us having to do it.)

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 17, 2025 11:28 AM (zjgNU)

131 103 There are already Israeli boots on the ground in Iran… covertly. For them to “ take” Fordow, militarily is a nonstarter idea. Not ever going to happen… next speculation..

It's odd that you accuse others of speculation, when you simply repeat the previous assertion with (again) absolutely nothing to back it up.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:24 AM (s8j++)

You well know that all we do here is speculate, that is all we have, and if anything is going to be talked about on this matter it is pure speculation… it is what we do here, all the time. We solve nothing, and usualyy give no insights worth standing on.

Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:28 AM (PCK5/)

132 "Off stupid sock."
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Words that Congress-critters should say more often

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:28 AM (EweYk)

133 127 So it's bullshit made up by neocons to justify the forever war?
Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:25 AM (RqMDa)

Sir I think you may be onto something.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:27 AM (/CkK4)

Now why would y'all think that?

*Watches the comedy video the republicans put out of W looking for Iraq's WMD.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2025 11:28 AM (KbCG3)

134 Israel has, and is implementing, a different theory of offensive war operations than the US has always relied on. It fits their status as a much smaller country with limited resources, and so far it has been amazingly effective.

The US favors the Big Sledgehammer theory (aka Bush's "Shock and Awe" campaign) Hit all that you can with the biggest hammer you can, see what shakes out. Appropriate tactics for the most well equipped superpower in the world.
Israel, instead, chooses to go for surgical precision. Take out the SAM launchers, take out the missile launchers, take out the radars - and then start picking off all of the key leadership members, one by one. Leave the enemy with it's cities intact, but with no one left in charge of them. Israel destroyed Hezbollah this way, and now they are doing the same to Iran - much of the country is already in chaos.

My guess is that the IRGC is the last thing left holding the country together; but with no coordination from the top, even they won't be able to keep things together for very much longer. It's not clear yet how the breakdown will play out, but its coming nevertheless.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2025 11:28 AM (uWKK8)

135 Thx CBD. Just un- dam the river Isen and it will flood the entire facility. Worked in The Two Towers

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2025 11:29 AM (akw+7)

136 125 Whatever happens, don't let Iranians get to the four black sarcophagus's buried in Antarctic ice!!
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Planet X protects the four sarcophagi.

Posted by: pudinhead at June 17, 2025 11:29 AM (FmapG)

137 The Iranians view themselves as the descendants of the ancient (non-Muslim) Achaemenids, entitled to be the dominant, hegemonic power in the Middle East, and so could still try to throw their weight around there.

Being a regional hegemonic power is one thing. Being a "kill the non-believers" regional (hoping for global) hegemonic power is something else.

A Zoroastrian, or whatever, Iran which wants to throw its weight around isn't likely to want to destroy Israel just for the giggles.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 11:29 AM (ExV1e)

138 That's why I hate illogical comparisons. At least after 40 years people stopped comparing every military action by us as another Vietnam.
Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 11:21 AM (VofaG)

That dead horse finally got atomized.

For what 20 years we heard 'We can't win a war, so we should love the commies!'

Then it became 'We are so hyper competent, we are now a bully!'

Same assholes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:29 AM (bss/y)

139 Hasn't Iran been 6 months away from a nuclear bomb for years? I remember Trump saying so in 2016

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:10 AM (RqMDa)

And Israel has been busily sabotaging them, killing their scientists, and in many other ways f*cking up their sh*t.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 17, 2025 11:29 AM (L5An7)

140 Seems we've been talking about Iran potentially getting a nuclear weapon for what, three decades by now?

Damn, Iran. Like, shit or get off the pot already.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2025 11:26 AM (KbCG3)

The most recent report given by our DNI, Tulsi Gabbard, said Iran is not currently working on a nukular weapon program, and there's no evidence they've been doing so, for years.

But maybe she's lying.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:29 AM (dGCAG)

141 My guess is that the IRGC is the last thing left holding the country together; but with no coordination from the top, even they won't be able to keep things together for very much longer. It's not clear yet how the breakdown will play out, but its coming nevertheless.
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I would bet there is a shit ton of payback just waiting to happen.

Posted by: pudinhead at June 17, 2025 11:30 AM (FmapG)

142 @129

>>"Will everyone just leave me the fuck alone?"

-- The Thing

Childs: What do we do now?

MacReady: Why don't we just wait here for a little while and see what happens....

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 11:30 AM (XV/Pl)

143 If the Iranian Regime falls, Fordow becomes irrelevant. Like the German wonderweapon projects after the Reich fell.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2025 11:30 AM (uWKK8)

144 I have no beef with Russia. They abandoned their "DEATH TO AMERICA" crusade when the USSR fell.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian
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I think their territorial goals are similar to those under the Tsars, meaning primarily warm water ports and access to the Mediterranean. Also, at least Kharkov in addition to what they have in Ukraine. Maybe even Odessa and the entire Black Sea coast, leaving a rump Ukraine landlocked.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 17, 2025 11:30 AM (ITkJX)

145
You know, a -tuah added to your hash would have been perfect.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 11:24 AM (kgE5c)

I could cycle my router for a thousand years and never get there.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:26 AM (lHAAk)
***

I just recycled mine (turned off then back on) and got the same one.
Oh well.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2025 11:30 AM (W/lyH)

146 Ward "Mooch" Carrol has a map from someone showing the targets hit by Israel.

The black and purple dots represent leaders and scientists, and all are clustered around Tehran.

What is far more troubling is how many yellow dots of nuclear facilities are on this map, all clustered in the center of Iran.

For us lovers of Grumman's F-14s, strike footage is heartbreaking. At least two Iranian F-14s have been hit dead center while parked on the ramp.

And Iran now knows how Germany feels as the Israelis have sent a strike package all the way to Mashad to destroy Iran's sole 747 tanker.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 11:31 AM (skGot)

147 Korea
Vietnam
Iraq (twice)
Iran

Weird how every decade or so a new country becomes the greatest mostest biggest threat to the US.

Who will it be in the 2040? I’ll take an early bet on Singapore. I mean fuck, why not.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:31 AM (/CkK4)

148 There is a small airport in Qom, Iran called Kushke Nosrat Airport (OIIC). However, it's not clear if this airport is operational for general use or specifically related to the Fordow facility. OurAirports lists 7 airports in Qom Province

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:27 AM (s8j++)

And if Israel controlled a 1-mile wide strip from the Iraqi border to Qom, and all the space between Qom and Tehran (90 miles), it could absolutely be done.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:32 AM (lHAAk)

149 And Israel has been busily sabotaging them, killing their scientists, and in many other ways f*cking up their sh*t.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 17, 2025 11:29 AM (L5An7)

Half measures that proved not to be working.

Honestly, Israel has to be applauded for saying 'Ok, this is not working. Let's try something else?'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:32 AM (bss/y)

150 You think they view us as just unfriendly?

Putin, as recently as 2025, was talking about trade deals with the US. The man on the street would likely been just fine with a peaceful relationship with the US. We're the ones who're constantly pushing the hostility.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 11:32 AM (ExV1e)

151 Your country kills whoever it wants. Own it.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:18 AM (dGCAG)

Not your country? Then f*cking leave.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 17, 2025 11:32 AM (L5An7)

152 @147

>>Who will it be in the 2040? I’ll take an early bet on Singapore. I mean fuck, why not.

My money is on Suriname. They are just hiding out and biding their time.

You heard it here first.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 11:32 AM (XV/Pl)

153 So, how are negotiations with the US and/or Trump going to go for anyone in the future, when people are gleefully proclaiming how the last negotiations were really to fuck the country we're negotiating with? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at June 17, 2025 11:32 AM (MZ+PY)

154 151 Your country kills whoever it wants. Own it.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:18 AM (dGCAG)

Not your country? Then f*cking leave.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 17, 2025 11:32 AM (L5An7)

I was going to comment on that, but didn’t..

Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (PCK5/)

155 The most recent report given by our DNI, Tulsi Gabbard, said Iran is not currently working on a nukular weapon program, and there's no evidence they've been doing so, for years.

But maybe she's lying.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:29 AM (dGCAG)

Or, maybe when she said that, back in March, she'd not yet been privy to the intelligence to which she is privy now.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (lHAAk)

156 @LakewoodCOgov
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Lakewood city offices will be closed on Thursday, June 19, in observance of the Juneteenth holiday.

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (AOsQT)

157 If the Iranian Regime falls, Fordow becomes irrelevant. Like the German wonderweapon projects after the Reich fell.

And if the new regime said "Sure, we'll allow you into the facility to destroy it", it will solve a host of problems. That would be the smart play. I'm not holding my breath, though.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (s8j++)

158 At the same time, I wish Mooch and his guest would STFU because they are discussing how many tankers Israel has and guestimating of US tanker support.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (skGot)

159 One of the catalysts that kicked off this war was the IAEA's claim that Iran was "weeks away" from being able to assemble multiple nuclear warheads/bombs. Weeks. Not months or years. They'd been enriching Uranium way past agreed levels and had enough of the stuff to make bombs. Whether they'd work as advertised is debatable. That they'd use them isn't.

And dismantling Iran's nuclear weapons program is going to have to be done, at least in part, from within Iran.

To quote: "It's the only way to be sure."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (Q4IgG)

160 153 So, how are negotiations with the US and/or Trump going to go for anyone in the future, when people are gleefully proclaiming how the last negotiations were really to fuck the country we're negotiating with? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at June 17, 2025 11:32 AM (MZ+PY)

=======

Desperation is a powerful motivator. Especially when you yourself (Iran) were using the previous negotiations in the same manner.

The only way to stop that sort of manipulation is tit for tat.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (GBKbO)

161 Ever since the Iranians took out the Marine Barracks in Beirut I have been waiting patiently for justice. Thank you Israel.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (ugxa6)

162 You'll know the Iranian mullahs are on thin ice if you see the Kurds in the NE and the Baluchis in the SW begin rising up. The ethnic minorities will try and take advantage of the chaos

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (akw+7)

163 Weird how every decade or so a new country becomes the greatest mostest biggest threat to the US.

Who will it be in the 2040? I’ll take an early bet on Singapore. I mean fuck, why not.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:31 AM (/CkK4)

Ok, for a moment, put yourself in Israel's shoes. You are God Dictator of Israel. You care about your people. This is Crusader Kings/EUIV. Given everything that has happened up to this point, given 10/7, what do you do?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:34 AM (bss/y)

164 Meanwhile, Iran has said it wants to destroy the USA, supports terrorist groups and wants to get a nuclear bomb.

And given the general inability of Islamics to target missiles reliably, if Iran had the bomb anything within flight range could be threatened unintentionally. Egypt, Saudi, India, Ukraine, Greece, all of the former Soviet -stans, the list goes on and on.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2025 11:34 AM (2ocoG)

165 It's funny.

The UN itself said that Iran was out of compliance on the nuclear deal the day before Israel started bombing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:34 AM (GBKbO)

166 What are the odds that Israel dicedes to take the Iranian plant by force. Lay waste to everything within 200 miles of the entrance and then land a force of people to crack there way in and over run the plant. Drop tank tenders and howitzers blast the doors, then drag the shit away blast again.

I know it's not optimal, but would even 5 gbu 57s Crack 1/2 mile of mountain?

I am not a military expert.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 17, 2025 11:34 AM (OA79/)

167 Another option would be to fly drones with canisters of radioactive waste into the tunnels leading to the laboratories

Or drop snail darters in the containment ponds. Shut that place down!

Posted by: The EPA at June 17, 2025 11:34 AM (G7MqD)

168 153 So, how are negotiations with the US and/or Trump going to go for anyone in the future, when people are gleefully proclaiming how the last negotiations were really to fuck the country we're negotiating with? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder

Carrot and stick method most likely to succeed when the stick does gets used occassionally.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2025 11:34 AM (Dv3i1)

169 Whatever happens, don't let Iranians get to the four black sarcophagus's buried in Antarctic ice!!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:27 AM (EweYk)

I heard they already have 5 of the 7 Dragon balls that would summon the eternal dragon, Shenron!

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:34 AM (dGCAG)

170 151 Your country kills whoever it wants. Own it.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:18 AM (dGCAG)

Watch out for La Migra! Maybe it'd be better to self-deport.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:34 AM (lHAAk)

171 It is up to the Iranian people to gift the world a solid and depose of the Weird Beards. 46 years of dogshit is still dogshit so sack up there Farshid Daghestani and get it done and stop eating olives and pistachios and playing with yourself.

Posted by: Old Iron Pants at June 17, 2025 11:35 AM (lbkx/)

172 I was stunned last night while watching the news at the nonchalance with which Hannity and other were tossing around the idea of using a "small" tactical nuke to ensure destruction of the buried sites.
WTF???
Considering the tactics, I can see how that might solve the immediate problem, but, I firmly believe that once that cat is out of the bag, it's out for good. A nuke is a nuke and size doesn't matter.
Scary times.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2025 11:35 AM (W/lyH)

173 Or, maybe when she said that, back in March, she'd not yet been privy to the intelligence to which she is privy now.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (lHAAk)

Sure.

That's it.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:36 AM (dGCAG)

174 >>Lakewood city offices will be closed on Thursday, June 19, in observance of the Juneteenth holiday.

It's not a Holiday. Never was. Never will be.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 11:36 AM (uZ2FS)

175 161 Ever since the Iranians took out the Marine Barracks in Beirut I have been waiting patiently for justice. Thank you Israel.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (ugxa6)

Yep. No negotiations make Iran surrender to Israel with no conditions.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 17, 2025 11:36 AM (OA79/)

176 Drop a bunch of Teslas on the place, ones with cracked battery cases…

Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:36 AM (PCK5/)

177 Iran's war with the US started in 1979 when they took the US embassy while shouting "Death to America!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 11:36 AM (skGot)

178 And if the new regime said "Sure, we'll allow you into the facility to destroy it", it will solve a host of problems. That would be the smart play. I'm not holding my breath, though.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (s8j++)

Or a new regime could use it as a bargaining chip. An endless ATM to be able to gain concessions from.

I dunno, assuming a rational replacement might be pretty ... baseless given the circumstances. It would probably be some other useless commie assholes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:36 AM (bss/y)

179 173 Or, maybe when she said that, back in March, she'd not yet been privy to the intelligence to which she is privy now.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (lHAAk)

Sure.

That's it.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:36 AM (dGCAG)

Neither one is particularly reassuring.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2025 11:37 AM (KbCG3)

180 The 7 times stronger than Viagra lady got a new sweater.

Posted by: Didja notice? at June 17, 2025 11:37 AM (y/iut)

181 It is up to the Iranian people to gift the world a solid and depose of the Weird Beards. 46 years of dogshit is still dogshit so sack up there Farshid Daghestani and get it done and stop eating olives and pistachios and playing with yourself.

It boils down to this. A little wordsmithing might be in order, but otherwise...

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:37 AM (s8j++)

182 Trump has been consistent on his stance on Iran.

1. Iran will not have a nuclear weapon.
2. If Iran attacks the US, he will end them.

So far I have not seen any change in that stance.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2025 11:37 AM (u73oe)

183 Desperation is a powerful motivator.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (GBKbO)

That's true. If you are weapons manufacturers, and you are running out of wars, you get deserpate.

If you are an Israeli PM who will almost certainly go to prison as soon as he's out of office, you get desperate.

If they have blackmail videos of you banging underaged children, you get desperate.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:38 AM (dGCAG)

184 139 Hasn't Iran been 6 months away from a nuclear bomb for years? I remember Trump saying so in 2016

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:10 AM (RqMDa)

And Israel has been busily sabotaging them, killing their scientists, and in many other ways f*cking up their sh*t.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 17, 2025 11:29 AM (L5An7)
So we don't need to go to war to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear bomb. Problem solved.

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:38 AM (RqMDa)

185 @166

>>I am not a military expert.

It's too far down for bunker busters to work.

If it's to be taken out, it's got to be done the old fashioned way.

A dance off to distract the guards and then the strike team infiltrates the facility and law waste to it from the inside.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 11:38 AM (XV/Pl)

186 Korea
Vietnam
Iraq (twice)
Iran

Weird how every decade or so a new country becomes the greatest mostest biggest threat to the US.

Who will it be in the 2040? I’ll take an early bet on Singapore. I mean fuck, why not.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:31 AM (/CkK4)

Korea - boots on the ground
Vietnam - boots on the ground
Iraq (twice) - boots on the ground
Iran - we're not even actively involved in the bombing campaign

Further, Iran has been at war with the US, by their actions, since 1979.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 11:38 AM (ExV1e)

187 Half measures that proved not to be working.

Honestly, Israel has to be applauded for saying 'Ok, this is not working. Let's try something else?'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:32 AM (bss/y)

I'm not sure that Israel thought that their sabotage was going to destroy the nuclear program. They just hoped to keep delaying it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 17, 2025 11:39 AM (L5An7)

188 I’ll take an early bet on Singapore. I mean fuck, why not.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:31 AM (/CkK4)
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Singapore is half the size of Los Angeles in swuare miles, so thats a toughie

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:39 AM (ugxa6)

189 The Romans did not bother with the Persians. That was Alexander and his Macedonians and some Greeks. The Persian Empire did not exist in Roman times. I would say that the Romans adopted Persian ways. See their road system.
Posted by: pudinhead

Dude, the Romans and Persians were at each others' throats constantly. Crassus was killed leading troops against them, and Gallienus captured. Julian the Apostate died during his Persian campaign.

And, true, it wasn't the Achaemenids, but the Parthian and Sassanian Empires, who were the Achaemenids' successors.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 11:39 AM (77rzZ)

190 185 @166

>>I am not a military expert.

It's too far down for bunker busters to work.

If it's to be taken out, it's got to be done the old fashioned way.

A dance off to distract the guards and then the strike team infiltrates the facility and law waste to it from the inside.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 11:38 AM (XV/Pl)

So force ten from navarrone electric boogaloo.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 17, 2025 11:39 AM (OA79/)

191 In his first term Trump defeated ISIS with little American loss...if he does the same with Iran...greatest American foreign policy president since Reagan...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 11:40 AM (t0Rmr)

192 "Should the United States sell to Israel the ordnance needed to destroy their nuclear facilities? Absolutely. Should America drop those bombs ourselves? Absolutely not!"

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Eh...If Israel can distroy Iran's nuculear facilities all by them selves, that is cool.

If they can't, I have no problem with an assist.

I don't support invading and occupying Iran like we did with Iraq.

But, if we do a few bomb runs with the B2 carrying the MOB, and that wipes out Iran's program long term...I can accept that.

But if Israel can do it alone, that's cool too.

Posted by: EFG at June 17, 2025 11:40 AM (Xt8HN)

193 A dance off to distract the guards

Ixnay on the ance-off day. Don't give away the plan.

Posted by: Mossad at June 17, 2025 11:40 AM (s8j++)

194 Or drop snail darters in the containment ponds. Shut that place down!

Related: I saw a news item yesterday that 18 months later, Maui has had 4 homes rebuilt out of over 2,000 destroyed. Local (mostly native) zoning boards won't issue permits, and when the (D) governor of Hawaii tried to intervene the ACLU and Sierra Club sued him on the grounds of being "a genocidal dictator" and won, because Hawaiian judge.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2025 11:40 AM (2ocoG)

195 unfortunately there is no way you can prove that a military action initiated to prevent a possible danger to the country was necessary since we will never know if that predicted danger would have occurred without the military action.

its what those that are against any military action always claim to be the case, that military wasn't necessary and there is no way to prove definitively they are wrong.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 11:40 AM (VofaG)

196 Or, maybe when she said that, back in March, she'd not yet been privy to the intelligence to which she is privy now.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (lHAAk)

Sure.

That's it.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2025 11:36 AM (dGCAG)

Let's see what she actually said...

Gabbard said it was the assessment of the intelligence community that "Iran is not currently building a nuclear weapon."

She did not say "Iran has no nuclear weapons program."

To me, that's a significant distinction.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:40 AM (lHAAk)

197 Inglorius Basterds.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 17, 2025 11:40 AM (P9gC0)

198 In local news, the Dodgers have banned Little Nezza after her stupid stunt.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 11:40 AM (skGot)

199 Considering the tactics, I can see how that might solve the immediate problem, but, I firmly believe that once that cat is out of the bag, it's out for good. A nuke is a nuke and size doesn't matter.
Scary times.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2025 11:35 AM (W/lyH)

Yeah, it is a psychological red line that the west has not been willing to cross. Indeed, no one has. In the east China/NorKo seem to want them as status symbols. The middle east seem to want one just to use, but they never seem to get one.

It would be an interesting thought experiment. Give Iran a fully operational minuteman. With a secret self destruct. See what they do with it. If they get squirrelly and start punching in Tel Aviv, detonate.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:40 AM (bss/y)

200 So we don't need to go to war to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear bomb. Problem solved.

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:38 AM (RqMDa)

The sabotage delayed the program, but did not destroy it. And their ballistic missile program was still going strong.

How long should Israel have waited? Until the nuke was in the air along with 500 conventional missiles?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 17, 2025 11:41 AM (L5An7)

201 its what those that are against any military action always claim to be the case, that military wasn't necessary and there is no way to prove definitively they are wrong.

Which is very convenient if you aren't the target.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:41 AM (s8j++)

202 Construct a giant badger.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 17, 2025 11:42 AM (P9gC0)

203 Being a regional hegemonic power is one thing. Being a "kill the non-believers" regional (hoping for global) hegemonic power is something else.

A Zoroastrian, or whatever, Iran which wants to throw its weight around isn't likely to want to destroy Israel just for the giggles.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

Probably not Israel, but I could still see them allying with the Chinese and/or Russians against us.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 11:42 AM (77rzZ)

204 Gabbard said it was the assessment of the intelligence community that "Iran is not currently building a nuclear weapon."

She did not say "Iran has no nuclear weapons program."

To me, that's a significant distinction.

One wonders why they needed to continue enrichment to a level useful only for a nuke. Ah, I'm sure it's nothing.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:42 AM (s8j++)

205 She also said: "Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons."

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:42 AM (lHAAk)

206 I was stunned last night while watching the news at the nonchalance with which Hannity and other were tossing around the idea of using a "small" tactical nuke to ensure destruction of the buried sites.

I recall numerous people in these very comments tossing around the idea of using a tactical nuke on Gaza.

Lots of people are free with their admiration of nuclear weapons.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 11:43 AM (ExV1e)

207 A dance off to distract the guards and then the strike team infiltrates the facility and law waste to it from the inside.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 11:38 AM (XV/Pl)

Fly in Sydney Sweeney in a bikini. Have her on a loudspeaker talking about how horny she is and how she wish some swarthy dudes would come haul her ashes.

Walk into the empty facility.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:43 AM (bss/y)

208 >>>At the same time, I wish Mooch and his guest would STFU because they are discussing how many tankers Israel has and guestimating of US tanker support. Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 11:33 AM (skGot)

You're actually listening to the whole Michelle Obama podcast? You're a far braver woman than I.

Apparently it hasn't been the influencer dream project they thought it would be. I'm hearing it's turning young libs off to hear her gripe and complain all the time, when she leads a privileged and charmed life. She's not happy or grateful, and is clearly resentful of Barack, and it's tarnishing her carefully crafted brand. Finally. I think we all saw through the schtick, but I get for the true believers it takes a while.

Posted by: LizLem at June 17, 2025 11:43 AM (gWBY1)

209 @202

>>Construct a giant badger.

What if you... here me out... constructed a number of giant badger and dropped them from Zeppelin's right into the heart of Tehran?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 11:43 AM (XV/Pl)

210 >>Let's see what she actually said...

Gabbard said it was the assessment of the intelligence community that "Iran is not currently building a nuclear weapon."

That's too vague to value as a statement.

I mean, they could be on a smoke break and that statement is still valid.

What we DO know is that in 30+ years of 'Pursuing a Peaceful Domestic Nuclear Energy Program', Iran managed to build and operate 1 Reactor.

One.

And yet, kept pushing the enrichment well beyond the needs of Domestic Energy Programs.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 11:43 AM (uZ2FS)

211 I'm still leaning towards the hummus offensive.

Posted by: NR Pax at June 17, 2025 11:43 AM (BpO1e)

212 One wonders why they needed to continue enrichment to a level useful only for a nuke. Ah, I'm sure it's nothing.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:42 AM (s8j++)

Exactly.

"We don't think they're literally building a nuclear bomb right this minute" is not the same as "We don't think they're working toward a nuclear bomb.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 11:44 AM (lHAAk)

213 And Israel has been busily sabotaging them, killing their scientists, and in many other ways f*cking up their sh*t.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 17, 2025 11:29 AM

Deprive the enemy of nice things.

- Stuff Sun Tzu might have said

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 11:44 AM (kgE5c)

214 If Israel has managed to cut off power to all those 15,000 centrifuges, then the nuclear program is deader than Stalin. And the Mullahs will have to dig out another mountain to start again.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 11:44 AM (skGot)

215 I mean there must be some air vents we can drop some grenades down or something. 20 seconds is all i need. Git up offa that thing!

Posted by: James Brown at June 17, 2025 11:44 AM (OA79/)

216 A dance off to distract the guards and then the strike team infiltrates the facility and law waste to it from the inside.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 11:38 AM (XV/Pl)

Fly in Sydney Sweeney in a bikini. Have her on a loudspeaker talking about how horny she is and how she wish some swarthy dudes would come haul her ashes.

Walk into the empty facility.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:43 AM (bss/y)
__________

That plan would probably be more successful if you used virgin goats as bait

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)

217 How does the IAEA know that? They sent inspectors there 45 minutes after the bomb strikes?
Posted by: Elric Blade

Must've had someone on site. Y'know, "inspecting" things to make sure the Iranians ~~knew where to find him to send his bribe~~ were on the up-and-up

Posted by: FeatherBlade at June 17, 2025 11:44 AM (hB7mE)

218 200

The sabotage delayed the program, but did not destroy it. And their ballistic missile program was still going strong.

How long should Israel have waited? Until the nuke was in the air along with 500 conventional missiles?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 17, 2025 11:41 AM (L5An7)

The place has had a sword over its’ head since 1948… 77 years… that’s a lot of restraint.

Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:44 AM (PCK5/)

219 Islam is a cancer on the world. Take out the Iranian mullahs and you remove a large tumor. I am aware that the Sauds have blood on their hands but all things being equal they're relatively tame at this point. Glad the Israelis are doing it , the Iranian people have to do the rest.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2025 11:44 AM (akw+7)

220 Whatever happens, don't let Iranians get to the four black sarcophagus's buried in Antarctic ice!!
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Planet X protects the four sarcophagi.
Posted by: pudinhead at June 17, 2025 11:29 AM (FmapG)

We need to execute Plan 9 post haste.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 17, 2025 11:44 AM (g8Ew8)

221 We all saw the pictures of miles of cars leaving Tehran. I wonder how many people are left behind to carry on resistance, even conduct a revolution.

They better do it quick. Power is lying in the gutter, waiting for someone to pick it up.

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (AOsQT)

222
Tulsi Gabbard, Krist Noem, Pam Bondi...

May be filling diversity positions that Trump likes to see.

Better than looking at Lloyd Austin at a cabinet meeting.

Posted by: Auspex at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (j4U/Z)

223 So we don't need to go to war to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear bomb. Problem solved.
Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:38 AM (RqMDa)

Are we at war?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (ExV1e)

224 Trump has been very consistent on this: Iran cannot have a nuke. Period. I wholeheartedly agree with this bottom line

I truly believe Israel is doing us and the whole world frankly a huge solid by taking the concrete and necessary actions to assure that bottom line. How could anyone possibly complain?? We just get to stand back, provide some moral and maybe logistical support and they do the heavy lifting. I’d give them a big thank you… the world will be a safer place

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (+kWhq)

225 LizLem

Ward "Mooch" Carrol, a former US Navy Tomcat RIO

Not Mooch the First Linebacker.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (skGot)

226 Regime change is like a box of chocolates. You just have no idea what's in that thing until you bite its head off.

What's in Iran? Probably a new axis of radical Shiites, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and Islamist elements in Egypt and the former Syria.

I don't want any part of that shit. My hope is that SA and Israel can figure out a way to present a united front. If SA and Israel agree on something, it might work. They have common enemies and that's a start.

Posted by: Bombadil at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (MX0bI)

227 195 unfortunately there is no way you can prove that a military action initiated to prevent a possible danger to the country was necessary since we will never know if that predicted danger would have occurred without the military action.

its what those that are against any military action always claim to be the case, that military wasn't necessary and there is no way to prove definitively they are wrong.
Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 11:40 AM (VofaG)

Those for military action are also pretty fond of that argument in reverse. "The only way to be sure..." I recall years of war being sold on the flypaper strategy, which, like the domino theory, isn't exactly scientific.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (guCHD)

228 I think we roll a giant horse up to Fordow, as a gift, with SF guys inside and when the solders roll the gift inside, boom! We win.

Just an idea I thought up.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (ugxa6)

229 200 So we don't need to go to war to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear bomb. Problem solved.

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:38 AM (RqMDa)

The sabotage delayed the program, but did not destroy it. And their ballistic missile program was still going strong.

How long should Israel have waited? Until the nuke was in the air along with 500 conventional missiles?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 17, 2025 11:41 AM

The old way worked for over 30 years, keep doing the same thing for another 30.

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (RqMDa)

230 Honestly, Israel has to be applauded for saying 'Ok, this is not working. Let's try something else?'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:32 AM (bss/y)
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I recall years ago, I was an escort officer to some Israeli officers visiting Ft Sill, the home of the US Army Artillery. We were showing them a mock-up of a village used to train our Forward Observers. It was very German in its appearance and the briefing officer pointed that out. The Israeli colonel I was escorting just smiled and said, "We will not be fighting in Germany."

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (W/lyH)

231 How long should Israel have waited? Until the nuke was in the air along with 500 conventional missiles?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 17, 2025 11:41 AM (L5An7)

I think 10/7 crystalized some thinking in Israel that the delay tactics were not sufficient because it ignored the Hezbollah raining missles on Israel every day and led to them trying bigger stunts because Israel did not react to that kind of thing.

Iran was like an annoying shit who just kept poking the quiet guy, looking for a reaction. Well, they finally got it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (bss/y)

232 @223

>>Are we at war?

We are, as ever, always at war and also never at war, simultaneously.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 11:46 AM (XV/Pl)

233 In local news, the Dodgers have banned Little Nezza after her stupid stunt.

I think "Nezza' means "Whore who does butt stuff" in Spanglish.

Posted by: The Flying Burrito Brothers at June 17, 2025 11:46 AM (lbkx/)

234 Construct a giant badger.
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 17, 2025 11:42 AM

Fetchez la vache!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 11:46 AM (kgE5c)

235 229 The old way worked for over 30 years, keep doing the same thing for another 30.
Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (RqMDa)

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*Iran continues to fund Hamas and Hezbollah*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:46 AM (GBKbO)

236 So, how are negotiations with the US and/or Trump going to go for anyone in the future, when people are gleefully proclaiming how the last negotiations were really to fuck the country we're negotiating with? Asking for a friend.
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IF the country we're negotiating with is one of the supreme ASSHOLE countries of the world that funds terror and regularly exports it to its neighbors, I would hope said country is worried to death that the US is just stalling for time until that country is annihilated.

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 11:47 AM (TN0g+)

237 Weird how every decade or so a new country becomes the greatest mostest biggest threat to the US.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 17, 2025 11:31 AM (/CkK4)

Dude, Iran has been a major threat to us and the rest of the world since 1979. That's over FIVE decades.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 11:47 AM (77rzZ)

238 That plan would probably be more successful if you used virgin goats as bait
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)

Valid.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:47 AM (bss/y)

239 The old way worked for over 30 years, keep doing the same thing for another 30.

Seriously? The old way worked well for the czars, until it didn't.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:47 AM (s8j++)

240 “I Don’t Care What She Said” — Trump Publicly Rebukes His Own Intelligence Chief Tulsi Gabbard on Iran’s Nuclear Capabilities

Uh oh. Cracks forming in the thin veneer of fabulousness.

Posted by: Giant Squid at June 17, 2025 11:47 AM (/U5Yz)

241 > Gabbard said it was the assessment of the intelligence community that "Iran is not currently building a nuclear weapon."

She did not say "Iran has no nuclear weapons program."

To me, that's a significant distinction.
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Personally, I think Iran had all the "parts" they needed to assemble multiple nuclear bombs/warheads.

All. The. Parts.

The only unknown was how long it'd take them to do it. And whether they'd work. What isn't unknown is that they'd use them.

Now the question is how to keep the Iranian's from doing all this again. Their current leadership would do everything in their power to reconstitute this program. That's one problem. The other is what to do with the infrastructure that supports the manufacturing of nuclear weapons inside Iran.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2025 11:47 AM (Q4IgG)

242 Mechanized combat badgers...

GET DARPA ON THE PHONE. NOW.

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 11:48 AM (AOsQT)

243 Exploding goats?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 11:48 AM (skGot)

244 Probably not Israel, but I could still see them allying with the Chinese and/or Russians against us.
Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 11:42 AM (77rzZ)

We could beat them to the punch and befriend Russia ourselves as Russia has been requesting for 25 years now.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 11:48 AM (ExV1e)

245 Tulsi Gabbard, Krist Noem, Pam Bondi...

May be filling diversity positions that Trump likes to see.

Better than looking at Lloyd Austin at a cabinet meeting.
Posted by: Auspex at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (j4U/Z)

They are nice to look at. I can’t think of any attractive lib politicians; probably are some I can’t think of. NOT AOC

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 17, 2025 11:48 AM (+kWhq)

246 Off slimy mollusc sock

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 17, 2025 11:48 AM (/U5Yz)

247 We are, as ever, always at war and also never at war, simultaneously.

Ah, Schrodinger's Spat.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 11:48 AM (s8j++)

248 That plan would probably be more successful if you used virgin goats as bait
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)
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Line there are virgin goats for 1,000 miles in any direction of Fordow

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:49 AM (ugxa6)

249 Let's see what she actually said...

Gabbard said it was the assessment of the intelligence community that "Iran is not currently building a nuclear weapon."

That's too vague to value as a statement.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 11:43 AM (uZ2FS)
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I don't see the controversy in what she said. She is correct. Nobody is saying that Iran is currently building an actual nuclear weapon. What Iran indisputably is doing is developing weapons-grade enrichment. That's a prelude to building an actual nuclear weapon. You don't wait until your enemies are building -- or built -- an actual functioning nuclear weapon. You destroy them during the enrichment state, before they're capable of building an actual weapon.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 11:49 AM (iFTx/)

250 Gabbard’s thing is keeping the US out of wars, it seems like… her statement sort of reflects her bias, maybe.

Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:49 AM (PCK5/)

251 Or people are reading way too much of their own biases into it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 11:49 AM (skGot)

252 That plan would probably be more successful if you used virgin goats as bait
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)
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Line there are virgin goats for 1,000 miles in any direction of Fordow
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:49 AM (ugxa6)
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Hence why it would work!

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 11:50 AM (iFTx/)

253 235 229 The old way worked for over 30 years, keep doing the same thing for another 30.
Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (RqMDa)

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*Iran continues to fund Hamas and Hezbollah*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:46 AM (GBKbO)

So it is regime change once again? What is the end game here?

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:50 AM (RqMDa)

254 Your country kills whoever it wants. Own it.

Posted by: BurtTC at June
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I KNEW IT!! BURT IS PERUVIAN!!!!

Posted by: LOL at June 17, 2025 11:50 AM (JFNRR)

255 251 Or people are reading way too much of their own biases into it.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 11:49 AM (skGot)

The Horde has biases?? The hell you say!!

Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:50 AM (PCK5/)

256 I don't know why we have to have these huge ICE raids. If we just do more to have them self deport everything will work out.

The raids are totally unnecessary. Look at the protests they produced.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 11:50 AM (VofaG)

257 Oh no the NAACP isn't inviting Trump to their convention. Trump will troll them somehow

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2025 11:51 AM (akw+7)

258 It seems Israel has prepared for and war-gammed this action with assets on the ground for many years. I would be surprised that they have no plan for taking out Fordow. But, what do I know, wait and see?
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at June 17, 2025 11:21 AM (+V9k3)

This is why the chatter about whether or not the US gets involved is silly. Israel is clearly taking the operation seriously, so every bit of it is meticulously planned.

That already either includes US participation, which means Trump agreed to it long ago, or it does not. Trump's not just going to decide on the fly to send bombers in with targets that have been picked in the last couple of days, and Israel wouldn't want him to as coordinating would interfere with their existing plans.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2025 11:51 AM (Dnobf)

259 So force ten from navarrone electric boogaloo.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless

Hotsie Totsie Terrors

Posted by: Auspex at June 17, 2025 11:51 AM (j4U/Z)

260 The Horde has biases?? The hell you say!!

Do you like crossbows or 9mm?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 11:51 AM (skGot)

261 Oh no the NAACP isn't inviting Trump to their convention. Trump will troll them somehow
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2025 11:51 AM

Oh, no!

Anyway...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 11:51 AM (kgE5c)

262 If Trump's first predicate, Iran will not have nuclear weapons, is achieved and leaves the Mullahs in power the political situation in Iran becomes unpredictable. Would the Revolutionary Guard, the power behind the Mullahs, make a play to seize control of the country? This could bring them into direct conflict with the military, possibly headed by the Shah in exile, which might get sporty if they see an opportunity arise. Then there's the population which I've read are restless to see the mullahs and the Revolutionary Guard trashed. Will the Mullahs make effectively a partial unconditional surrender? If no, that there would seem to force Trump's hand on his second predicate of wiping them out If they don't make a deal. What a mess.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 17, 2025 11:51 AM (NXz8h)

263 >>Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2025 11:47 AM (Q4IgG)

Yep. At a certain point, Breakout is merely a matter of will.

If they finally got their hands on the trigger mechs and ballistic missile tech...you can't leave that last little push up to them, if you are Israel.

On top of pissing in the Iranian Nuke Programs Wheaties in order to slow it, Israel and the US have been keeping China, Pakistan and North Korea from providing Nukes to Iran by other means.

This has been a global issue for quite some time. Hopefully the Iranian population will solve this now that Israel has opened the door for them.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 11:51 AM (uZ2FS)

264 251 Or people are reading way too much of their own biases into it.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 11:49 AM (skGot)

This is ALWAYS true.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:51 AM (bss/y)

265 As someone here pointed out last week, everything is funnier if you hear Gilbert Gottfried's voice in your head as your reading the words.

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 11:52 AM (TN0g+)

266 Having their asses kicked and their shit blown all to hell could be a clever war plan strategy on the part of Iran!

Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2025 11:52 AM (a4dG3)

267 257 Oh no the NAACP isn't inviting Trump to their convention. Trump will troll them somehow
Posted by: Smell the Glove

Isn't "Colored People" raciss?

Posted by: Auspex at June 17, 2025 11:53 AM (j4U/Z)

268 Gilbert Gottfried?

Now there's a parrot I would like to strangle.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 11:53 AM (skGot)

269 253 *Iran continues to fund Hamas and Hezbollah*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:46 AM (GBKbO)

So it is regime change once again? What is the end game here?
Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:50 AM (RqMDa)

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Punishing those hurting you is a good goal for Israel.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)

270
@IsraelWarRoom
2h
17 US aerial refueling tankers are heading from Europe towards the @CENTCOM AOR, reports @AmichaiStein1.

👀Multiple squadrons of American fighter jets are also headed towards the Middle East, reports indicate.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 11:53 AM (Ffc+8)

271 Who will it be in the 2040? I’ll take an early bet on Singapore. I mean fuck, why not.

Keep your eye on the sleeping giant that is Greenland.

Posted by: Gerardus Mercator at June 17, 2025 11:53 AM (GUvny)

272 265 As someone here pointed out last week, everything is funnier if you hear Gilbert Gottfried's voice in your head as your reading the words.
Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 11:52 AM (TN0g+)

266 Having their asses kicked and their shit blown all to hell could be a clever war plan strategy on the part of Iran!
Posted by: Weasel at June 17, 2025 11:52 AM (a4dG3)

Ok, I tried it with Weasel's comment.

You're right, Crusader! LOL.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:53 AM (bss/y)

273 The old way worked for over 30 years, keep doing the same thing for another 30.

Seriously? The old way worked well for the czars, until it didn't.
Posted by: Archimedes

And when it no longer did, it was a huge deal.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2025 11:53 AM (PfGa7)

274 This is ALWAYS true.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:51 AM (bss/y)
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The hell you say!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:54 AM (ugxa6)

275 How about we just borrow Israel a B2. Kind of like lend lease? They can rent it, but if they scratch the paint, no damage deposit! Seriously. Iran is the worlkds biggest exporter of terrorism. They wish to destroy Israel and the U.S. It IS America first to help Israel. No, I am not advocating troops etc. I don't think that's needed. They are responsible for thousands of US deaths. But for some, their hatred of Joos outweighs their alleged love of their country.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 11:54 AM (ewjUl)

276 Just destroy anything within 50 or so miles that generates electrical power. Anything with a significant infrared heat signature.

Without electrical power and cooling, nothing can really be done to manufacture anything other than spears and clubs.

Posted by: pawn, one of many at June 17, 2025 11:54 AM (QB+5g)

277 =======

Punishing those hurting you is a good goal for Israel.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu
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There is only one punishment that will cause this to cease.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 11:54 AM (Ffc+8)

278 It's not the ayatollahs, it's not the mullahs, it's not the Iranians. It's Islam.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm

^^^^^^^

Posted by: From about That Time at June 17, 2025 11:54 AM (n4GiU)

279 269 253 *Iran continues to fund Hamas and Hezbollah*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:46 AM (GBKbO)

So it is regime change once again? What is the end game here?
Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:50 AM (RqMDa)

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Punishing those hurting you is a good goal for Israel.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)

Again, and what is the end game?

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:54 AM (RqMDa)

280 So it is regime change once again? What is the end game here?
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Anything short of regime change is just kicking the can down the road.

Regime change doesn't have to include US troops on the ground. It simply means Israel (with or without us) simply says the bombardment will continue until there is a different government to begin talks with.

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 11:55 AM (TN0g+)

281 279 Punishing those hurting you is a good goal for Israel.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)

Again, and what is the end game?
Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:54 AM (RqMDa)

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To get them to stop.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:55 AM (GBKbO)

282 You could beat Singapore by showing up in their country and sticking used chewing gum under everything . And graffiti

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2025 11:55 AM (akw+7)

283 247 We are, as ever, always at war and also never at war, simultaneously.

Ah, Schrodinger's Spat.
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Oceana is always at war with East Asia.

Posted by: pudinhead at June 17, 2025 11:55 AM (FmapG)

284 >Isn't "Colored People" raciss?

Posted by: Auspex
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depends on who's saying it

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 11:55 AM (AOsQT)

285 Fly in Sydney Sweeney in a bikini.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Tara Yazdi. She has bigger boobs and is actually of Persian heritage.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 11:55 AM (77rzZ)

286 Israel already has Giant Aircraft… did you not see the pics of the one that the Iranians shot down??? PROOF, people, proof!!

Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:56 AM (PCK5/)

287 Israel got Egypt to stop hurting them at one point. And Jordan.

But Iran will never, ever stop and will only continue forever, I guess.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:56 AM (GBKbO)

288 282 You could beat Singapore by showing up in their country and sticking used chewing gum under everything . And graffiti
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I guess you've never tasted the Singapore Cane?

Posted by: pudinhead at June 17, 2025 11:56 AM (FmapG)

289 Oh no the NAACP isn't inviting Trump to their convention. Trump will troll them somehow
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2025 11:51 AM (akw+7)

It's 2025 My Bro Zillas! Do we really need a group of liberals running around calling themselves "colored" telling black Americans what to think, how to vote, and how to be racist? The times they are a changing!

Posted by: President Donald Trump, Shot Caller at June 17, 2025 11:56 AM (lbkx/)

290 Anything short of regime change is just kicking the can down the road.

Regime change doesn't have to include US troops on the ground. It simply means Israel (with or without us) simply says the bombardment will continue until there is a different government to begin talks with.

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 11:55 AM (TN0g+)
Yeah, that worked so well in Iraq right?

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:56 AM (RqMDa)

291 >>How about we just borrow Israel a B2. Kind of like lend lease?

I like this idea...

Throw an Ad up on Craigslist 'MOAB Equipped B2 Bomber FS', and let Israel come on over to 'Test Drive' it.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 11:56 AM (uZ2FS)

292 So, how are negotiations with the US and/or Trump going to go for anyone in the future, when people are gleefully proclaiming how the last negotiations were really to fuck the country we're negotiating with? Asking for a friend.
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If the other guy at the table is serious about avoiding a conflict (Iran wasn't) he'll just have to make concessions quicker.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2025 11:56 AM (Dnobf)

293 @IsraelWarRoom
2h
17 US aerial refueling tankers are heading from Europe towards the @CENTCOM AOR, reports @AmichaiStein1.

👀Multiple squadrons of American fighter jets are also headed towards the Middle East, reports indicate.
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Time for the DC strategy sessions to switch it up--order Taco Bell and KFC tonight to keep the pizza-tracking intelligence systems offline.

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 11:57 AM (TN0g+)

294 Punishing those hurting you is a good goal for Israel.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu
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There is only one punishment that will cause this to cease.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 11:54 AM (Ffc+

No. Sending them Lena Dunham would be inhuman.

I can't believe you suggested that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:57 AM (bss/y)

295 As this thread winds down to its’ close, we can all agree on something, right?

Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:58 AM (PCK5/)

296 >> Israel got Egypt to stop hurting them at one point. And Jordan.

>But Iran will never, ever stop and will only continue forever, I guess.

You do realize that Both got BTFO'd in conventional Military Conflicts, right?

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 11:58 AM (uZ2FS)

297 it seems kicking the can down the road is the norm throughout history. War begets war with few exceptions. It's human nature .

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 11:58 AM (VofaG)

298 Hello Mullah
Hello Fatah
Jews have bombed Camp
Intifada
Tehran's very
Entertaining
When it's nighttime and Israeli bombs are raining.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2025 11:58 AM (0CU3H)

299 Mossad twitter just responded to an Iranian claim to have destroyed a Mossad base by saying "None of us are at a base, we are all in Iran"

Nothing like a little humor in the midst of war

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 11:58 AM (x0qTM)

300 296 >> Israel got Egypt to stop hurting them at one point. And Jordan.

>But Iran will never, ever stop and will only continue forever, I guess.

You do realize that Both got BTFO'd in conventional Military Conflicts, right?
Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 11:58 AM (uZ2FS)
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I figured that my second line was obviously facetious.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 11:58 AM (GBKbO)

301 Karen Read trial:

Jury has three questions.
They related to video clips, the confusing jury form, and what time did they actually claim she was drunk.

Tea leaves indicate she might be found guilty on OUI, but not guilty on the serious charges.

Wee shall see in a couple hours.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 17, 2025 11:59 AM (sRoQh)

302 gammed this action with assets on the ground for many years. I would be surprised that they have no plan for taking out Fordow. But, what do I know, wait and see?
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at June 17, 2025 11:21 AM (+V9k3)

This is why the chatter about whether or not the US gets involved is silly. Israel is clearly taking the operation seriously, so every bit of it is meticulously planned.

That already either includes US participation, which means Trump agreed to it long ago, or it does not. Trump's not just going to decide on the fly to send bombers in with targets that have been picked in the last couple of days, and Israel wouldn't want him to as coordinating would interfere with their existing plans.
Posted by: Methos at

This. Non of this is on the fly. Nothing Iran has done has changed the plan. The plan do far has survived first contact with the enemy. And second and third.

Would Iran still be able to organize a defense to 5000 troops inserted deep into the country?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 17, 2025 11:59 AM (OA79/)

303 298 Hello Mullah
Hello Fatah
Jews have bombed Camp
Intifada
Tehran's very
Entertaining
When it's nighttime and Israeli bombs are raining.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2025 11:58 AM (0CU3H)

Alan(?) Sherman. Nice.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 11:59 AM (bss/y)

304 As this thread winds down to its’ close, we can all agree on something, right? Posted by: tubal

We are thrilled Kamala is president.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 17, 2025 11:59 AM (NXz8h)

305 As this thread winds down to its’ close, we can all agree on something, right?
Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:58 AM

No.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 11:59 AM (kgE5c)

306 How about we just borrow Israel a B2. Kind of like lend lease?

I like this idea...

Throw an Ad up on Craigslist 'MOAB Equipped B2 Bomber FS', and let Israel come on over to 'Test Drive' it.
Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 11:56 AM

Bring it back with the tank full!

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 11:59 AM (ewjUl)

307 Word is out that the metal shops at Whiteman AFB have ordered a lot of white and blue paint. Also, the officers mess has been serving up a lot of kugel and brisket.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 17, 2025 11:59 AM (gm9Sb)

308 Israel won't be done until all the Ayatollahs and mullahs are meeting their 72 Virginians. Remove the theocrats who are are in charge to so there can be change.

Posted by: Rick T at June 17, 2025 11:59 AM (xeXUW)

309 >>I figured that my second line was obviously facetious.

Ah...I see I need more coffee this AM.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 12:00 PM (uZ2FS)

310 295 As this thread winds down to its’ close, we can all agree on something, right?

Posted by: tubal

I certainly do.

Posted by: Bombadil at June 17, 2025 12:00 PM (MX0bI)

311 153
‘ when people are gleefully proclaiming how the last negotiations were really to fuck the country’

I think some are over estimating how much the Iranians were fooled by the negotiations. They had to know war was in the offing if said negotiations failed to resolve anything.
If they were surprised they aren’t very good at their jobs.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 17, 2025 12:00 PM (jbnUc)

312 https://tinyurl.com/Tara-Yazdi

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 12:00 PM (TN0g+)

313 Let's not forget that there are several high ranking Iranian officials who turned out to be working for Israel. I wouldn't bet against some of Iran's nuclear scientists being on Israel's payroll too.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2025 12:00 PM (Q4IgG)

314 Mossad will be here all week.
Try the kosher veal.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 17, 2025 12:00 PM (sRoQh)

315 Apparently it hasn't been the influencer dream project they thought it would be. I'm hearing it's turning young libs off to hear her gripe and complain all the time, when she leads a privileged and charmed life. She's not happy or grateful, and is clearly resentful of Barack, and it's tarnishing her carefully crafted brand. Finally. I think we all saw through the schtick, but I get for the true believers it takes a while.
Posted by: LizLem at June 17, 2025 11:43 AM (gWBY1)

I read a report from one lib who sat all the way through a couple of podcasts, and the overall takeaway he had was how incredibly boring the entire podcast was. It was a mean girl bitching about everything in her rich, pampered life.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2025 12:01 PM (uWKK8)

316 What is Israel bombed Iran with Taco Bell from the B-2?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 12:01 PM (skGot)

317 315 I read a report from one lib who sat all the way through a couple of podcasts, and the overall takeaway he had was how incredibly boring the entire podcast was. It was a mean girl bitching about everything in her rich, pampered life.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2025 12:01 PM (uWKK

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But, remember, Michelle is their secret weapon!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 12:01 PM (GBKbO)

318 As this thread winds down to its’ close, we can all agree on something, right?

I'm not dead yet!

Posted by: The Thread at June 17, 2025 12:01 PM (u3osT)

319 As this thread winds down to its’ close, we can all agree on something, right?

Posted by: tubal

Yes. And I am unanimous in this.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:01 PM (77rzZ)

320 "Where is Maverick when you need him ?
Posted by: polynikes"
*********
Bret, Bart, or Beau?

Posted by: Cosda at June 17, 2025 12:01 PM (FNphl)

321 Tea leaves indicate she might be found guilty on OUI, but not guilty on the serious charges.

Wee shall see in a couple hours.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 17, 2025 11:59 AM

I haven't followed one minute of that trial. Seems interesting, but meh, busy. So in a nutshell to those who have. Is she guilty or innocent?

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 12:02 PM (ewjUl)

322 Wee shall see in a couple hours.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt

If reasonable doubt is the bar the jury is actually adhering too she walks.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 17, 2025 12:02 PM (NXz8h)

323 We don't need to destroy Fordow. We need to let Israel destroy the ayatollahs/mullahs and the new Iranian government can destroy Fordow from the inside.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at June 17, 2025 11:14 AM

Just so.

Posted by: toby928 at June 17, 2025 12:02 PM (jc0TO)

324 >>Jury has three questions.
They related to video clips, the confusing jury form, and what time did they actually claim she was drunk.

Sounds like they are working on/towards a Compromise Verdict.

Insane. After watching the Commonwealth put on their case, the Jury should have just walked out.
There was literally NO proof offered that could convict her. None.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 12:02 PM (uZ2FS)

325 >As this thread winds down to its’ close, we can all agree on something, right?
---

Yes

Kate Upton > Sidney Sweeney

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 12:02 PM (AOsQT)

326 https://tinyurl.com/Tara-Yazdi
Posted by: Crusader

Wow. That's both Mannix-worthy and Fen-worthy. Well done!

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:03 PM (77rzZ)

327 Longbows.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 17, 2025 12:03 PM (P9gC0)

328 295 As this thread winds down to its’ close, we can all agree on something, right?
Posted by: tubal at June 17, 2025 11:58 AM (PCK5/)

=======

*considers mentioning Prometheus*

*thinks better of mentioning Prometheus and does not mention Prometheus*

*does own part to keep thread Prometheus free*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 12:03 PM (GBKbO)

329 Yes

Kate Upton > Sidney Sweeney
Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 12:02 PM (AOsQT)

Agree 100%

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 12:03 PM (VofaG)

330 As this thread winds down to its’ close, we can all agree on something, right?

Communal agreement? Are you a communist?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 17, 2025 12:03 PM (/U5Yz)

331 Now, is this any way for a president to talk?

Western Lensman@WesternLensman
Trump will not call “whacked out” Tim Walz:
“I don't really call him. Look, he appointed this guy. I think the governor of Minnesota is so whacked out. I'm not calling him."
"Why would I call him…the guy doesn't have a clue. He’s a mess. Why waste time?"

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Now Timpon will have to cry himself to sleep.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 17, 2025 12:03 PM (L/fGl)

332 The old way worked for over 30 years, keep doing the same thing for another 30.

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (RqMDa)

No. That won't work. With enough missiles Iran can overwhelm Israel's missile defense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 17, 2025 12:04 PM (L5An7)

333 There was literally NO proof offered that could convict her. None.
Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 12:02 PM

Hell, the last jury found her not guilty on the murder charge, but the judge refused to poll them. Because we had to do this whole thing again.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 12:04 PM (kgE5c)

334 Without the erector launchers the barrages are much smsller.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 17, 2025 12:05 PM (P9gC0)

335 We don't need to destroy Fordow. We need to let Israel destroy the ayatollahs/mullahs and the new Iranian government can destroy Fordow from the inside.

You may not be familiar with our product, Endless War™...

Posted by: Global Elite at June 17, 2025 12:05 PM (GUvny)

336 Tampon Timmy has pretty much tamped down on his rhetoric.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 17, 2025 12:05 PM (skGot)

337 Yeah, that worked so well in Iraq right?
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Who's Iraq causing problem for these days?

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2025 12:06 PM (Dnobf)

338 332 The old way worked for over 30 years, keep doing the same thing for another 30.

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (RqMDa)

No. That won't work. With enough missiles Iran can overwhelm Israel's missile defense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 17, 2025 12:04 PM (L5An7)
So it isn't about the bomb.

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 12:06 PM (RqMDa)

339 Apparently it hasn't been the influencer dream project they thought it would be. I'm hearing it's turning young libs off to hear her gripe and complain all the time, when she leads a privileged and charmed life. She's not happy or grateful, and is clearly resentful of Barack, and it's tarnishing her carefully crafted brand. Finally. I think we all saw through the schtick, but I get for the true believers it takes a while.
Posted by: LizLem at June 17, 2025 11:43 AM (gWBY1)

Um, every time she has been in the public eye since Shit Midas's first national campaign, all she has done is gripe. These people are slow on the uptake. Even when she says something "positive," the negative is implicit (e.g, the whole finally proud of America comment).

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 17, 2025 12:06 PM (guCHD)

340 As this thread winds down to its’ close, we can all agree on something, right?
---

Yes

Kate Upton > Sidney Sweeney
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Yes, and its not even close.

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 12:06 PM (TN0g+)

341 "Insane. After watching the Commonwealth put on their case, the Jury should have just walked out.
There was literally NO proof offered that could convict her. None."
_____

This is Massachusetts. The population is used to being told what to do. The State (prosecutor and judge) have told them to CONVICT her.

Posted by: Moot Quart at June 17, 2025 12:07 PM (qUkBO)

342 So in a nutshell to those who have. Is she guilty or innocent?
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 12:02 PM (ewjUl)

She is innocent, and is being framed, incredibly, by the DA's office and Mass State Police.

Long, insane story.

First trial was hung jury.

Defense asked for a lesser included of OUI to be inserted at the end of trial. This might be a genius move to appease the dumb jurors who want to convict her of something.

She was probably drunk at the time, but she didn't run anyone over.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 17, 2025 12:07 PM (sRoQh)

343 What trial?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 17, 2025 12:08 PM (P9gC0)

344 https://tinyurl.com/Tara-Yazdi
Posted by: Crusader

Wow. That's both Mannix-worthy and Fen-worthy. Well done!
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She's now my favorite Persian!

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 12:08 PM (TN0g+)

345 Hell

Heather Graham now > Sydney Sweeney

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 12:08 PM (VofaG)

346 Israel’s Ambassador to the United States is hinting at something big.

He is claiming that whatever Israel has up its sleeve… it’s going to make the exploding pagers operation seem EASY by comparison!

I told you, exploding latrines are next.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 17, 2025 12:09 PM (/U5Yz)

347 Again, and what is the end game?
Posted by: anonymouse
---------------------------------------

Elimination of the Ayatollahs
Elimination of the mullahs
Elimination of the Red Guard
Elimination of nukes
The people of Iran free from religious tyranny able to form a system of governance bringing them into first world 21st century.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 12:09 PM (Ffc+8)

348 As this thread winds down to its’ close, we can all agree on something, right?

Everybody dick look big on 60-inch TV, my sister's dick look big on TV.

Posted by: Mooj, Smart Tech Sales Associate at June 17, 2025 12:09 PM (lbkx/)

349 The old way worked for over 30 years, keep doing the same thing for another 30.

Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 11:45 AM (RqMDa)

No. That won't work. With enough missiles Iran can overwhelm Israel's missile defense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 17, 2025 12:04 PM (L5An7)

***

Yup.
It's about winning.
They dynamic has changed. Israel has changed with it. That's how they stay alive, by recognizing the reality of their position and adapting technologies to meet their requirements.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2025 12:09 PM (W/lyH)

350 https://tinyurl.com/Tara-Yazdi
Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025
===
At risk of expulsion, she'd be prettier with one third the boobs.

Posted by: From about That Time at June 17, 2025 12:09 PM (n4GiU)

351 At risk of expulsion, she'd be prettier with one third the boobs.
Posted by: From about That Time at June 17, 2025 12:09 PM (n4GiU)

I will be the judge of that.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 17, 2025 12:10 PM (sRoQh)

352 At risk of expulsion, she'd be prettier with one third the boobs.
____

She has six boobs currently?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2025 12:10 PM (Dv3i1)

353 Sounds like Sydney will need comforting from all this rejection.

Saw a preview for a movie with her. She cries ugly. As any illicit union I hypothetically have with a starlet will involve lots of disappointment for her, the ugly crying thing is a virtue.

Yes, it's a weird metric. But a man has to have goals, even if they are weird.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 17, 2025 12:10 PM (guCHD)

354 Let me enter a new one to the mix: Diora Baird.

https://tinyurl.com/2brbb4hz

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:11 PM (bss/y)

355 No. That won't work. With enough missiles Iran can overwhelm Israel's missile defense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

So it isn't about the bomb.
Posted by: anonymouse

Yes. It is. Throw three hundred conventional missiles and one nuke.
Even an airburst is bad juju.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2025 12:11 PM (PfGa7)

356 Hell

Heather Graham now > Sydney Sweeney
---------
Heather Graham was smoking hot in "Diggstown". That's a great flick with James Woods in it if any of you all missed it.

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 12:11 PM (TN0g+)

357 At risk of expulsion, she'd be prettier with one third the boobs.
Posted by: From about That Time at June 17, 2025 12:09 PM (n4GiU)

IIRC, she has had a breast reduction.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:12 PM (bss/y)

358 As this thread winds down to its’ close, we can all agree on something, right?

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BOOBS!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 17, 2025 12:12 PM (L/fGl)

359 President Trump Shares Message From U.S. Ambassador Mike Huckabee Stating He Will “Hear From Heaven”

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 17, 2025 12:12 PM (/U5Yz)

360 Involved or not involved?

>>@trump_repost
·
>>14m
We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran. Iran had good sky trackers and other defensive equipment, and plenty of it, but it doesn't compare to American made, conceived, and manufactured "stuff." Nobody does it better than the good ol' USA.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2025 12:12 PM (PQWix)

361 i eat shit pebbles because yum

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at June 17, 2025 12:12 PM (/KSQe)

362 Paige Spiranic > Kate Upton > Sidney Sweeney

Afterall, it is Geezer Golf Tuesday even if I can't play today.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2025 12:13 PM (W/lyH)

363 She has six boobs currently?
Posted by: Chuck Martel

Should have volume somewhere in comment.

Posted by: From about That Time at June 17, 2025 12:13 PM (n4GiU)

364 Kate Upton > Sidney Sweeney
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Yes, and its not even close.
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I would happily 'settle' for Sidney.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2025 12:13 PM (Dnobf)

365 So it isn't about the bomb.
Posted by: anonymouse at June 17, 2025 12:06 PM (RqMDa)
=======================

Netanyahu specifies that Israel insists on “three central results: the destruction of the nuclear program, the destruction of the production capacity of ballistic missiles, and the destruction of the axis of terror.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2025 12:14 PM (kv+Nx)

366 https://tinyurl.com/Tara-Yazdi
Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025

A more revealing photo will need to be provided to make an educated determination.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 17, 2025 12:14 PM (/U5Yz)

367 Let me enter a new one to the mix: Diora Baird.

https://tinyurl.com/2brbb4hz
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:11 PM (bss/y)

Now there’s the winner. Wow!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 17, 2025 12:14 PM (OW907)

368 Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at June 17, 2025 12:12 PM

You literally know nothing, Joe.

Posted by: toby928 at June 17, 2025 12:14 PM (jc0TO)

369 >>@trump_repost
·
>>14m
We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran. Iran had good sky trackers and other defensive equipment, and plenty of it, but it doesn't compare to American made, conceived, and manufactured "stuff." Nobody does it better than the good ol' USA.
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Amercan made, conceived, and manufactured "stuff" is why I sleep so well at night on MyPillow.

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 12:14 PM (TN0g+)

370 361 Rumor has it......that the Afghan war would be super easy !
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at June 17, 2025 12:12 PM (/KSQe)

I don’t think Israel wants to stay there for 2 decades and accomplish nothing.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at June 17, 2025 12:14 PM (Mxf84)

371 i troll public toilets for shit pebbles people leave on the floor

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at June 17, 2025 12:14 PM (2hfA1)

372 A more revealing photo will need to be provided to make an educated determination.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 17, 2025 12:14 PM (/U5Yz)

My research dept was never able to find any nudes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:14 PM (bss/y)

373 Let me enter a new one to the mix: Diora Baird.

https://tinyurl.com/2brbb4hz
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:11 PM (bss/y)

I'd love to explore her

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at June 17, 2025 12:14 PM (eb5mD)

374 Jeffersonian Democracy?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 17, 2025 12:15 PM (P9gC0)

375 Keep your eye on the sleeping giant that is Greenland.
Posted by: Gerardus Mercator

Sir, you are projecting again.

Posted by: Kernel Korn at June 17, 2025 12:15 PM (G5+As)

376 My research dept was never able to find any nudes.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

But Tara's got lots of bikini pics out there.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:15 PM (77rzZ)

377 Let me enter a new one to the mix: Diora Baird.

https://tinyurl.com/2brbb4hz
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Doesn't look Persian.

Posted by: From about That Time at June 17, 2025 12:16 PM (n4GiU)

378 Karen Read (re)trial in a nutshell:

1. The State says she killed her boyfriend by backing into him with her SUV. But the State's medical examiner testified there was no physical evidence the boyfriend was killed by a vehicle.

2. Local cop from another town took possession of Read's SUV after the accident; said there was minor damage to rear tail light. After SUV was transferred to State police, significantly more damage was done to the tail light. Local cop shown photo of tail light with that significant damage, says that's not the way it was when he took possession of vehicle.

Posted by: Moot Quart at June 17, 2025 12:16 PM (qUkBO)

379 and the destruction of the axis of terror.
Posted by: Huck Follywood
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Axis?
Hamas
Isis
Iran's leadership and enforcers

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 12:16 PM (Ffc+8)

380 At risk of expulsion, she'd be prettier with one third the boobs.
Posted by: From about That Time at June 17, 2025 12:09 PM (n4GiU)

IIRC, she has had a breast reduction.
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I'm disappointed when people attempt to surgically modify their body in such a manner, almost as if they've decided God made a mistake...

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 12:16 PM (TN0g+)

381 Let me enter a new one to the mix: Diora Baird.

https://tinyurl.com/2brbb4hz
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:11 PM (bss/y)

I'd like to see Baird bared.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2025 12:16 PM (W/lyH)

382 >> Let me enter a new one to the mix: Diora Baird.

https://tinyurl.com/2brbb4hz

That face.

That face is No Bueno.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 12:17 PM (uZ2FS)

383 Diors Baird regrettably hits for the other side according to her

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2025 12:17 PM (akw+7)

384 Marina Medvin @MarinaMedvin
Iran just put out an order prohibiting their government employees from using cell phones.

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Not even just Candy Crush?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 17, 2025 12:19 PM (L/fGl)

385 I'd like to see Baird bared.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2025 12:16 PM (W/lyH)

She has an onlyfans. And 'full Baird' as it were.

She's been in a few things (episode of Psych) and also played Johnny's ex in Cobra Kai.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:19 PM (bss/y)

386 I told you, exploding latrines are next.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 17, 2025 12:09 PM (/U5Yz)
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Sweet Allah!!!! What did you eat?!?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 17, 2025 12:19 PM (17s+e)

387 Let me enter a new one to the mix: Diora Baird.

https://tinyurl.com/2brbb4hz

That face.

That face is No Bueno.
Posted by: garrett

But face down, butt up in the Child Support position...

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2025 12:19 PM (PfGa7)

388 Posted by: Moot Quart at June 17, 2025 12:16 PM (qUkBO)

I really hope that she's found not guilty of killing the guy because I am so very, very tired of hearing my wife bitch about this prosecution.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:19 PM (ExV1e)

389 Exploding Korans

Posted by: Moot Quart at June 17, 2025 12:19 PM (qUkBO)

390 366 https://tinyurl.com/Tara-Yazdi
Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025
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Nails are too long
Tattoos
Phone in hand

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 12:20 PM (Ffc+8)

391 Trump has done nothing so far to counter the threat of ladies farding in cars.

Posted by: El Rushbo at June 17, 2025 12:20 PM (G5+As)

392 Exploding Korans
Posted by: Moot Quart

I first read that as "Exploding Karens."

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:20 PM (77rzZ)

393 I really hope that she's found not guilty of killing the guy because I am so very, very tired of hearing my wife bitch about this prosecution.
---------
I hear you--I was married when Princess Diana died. That was a week of my life where I wished I didn't own a television set.

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 12:21 PM (TN0g+)

394 Why would they try to frame Karen Read? What did she do to them ?

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 12:21 PM (VofaG)

395 I first read that as "Exploding Karens."
Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:20 PM (77rzZ)

I read "Exploding Koreans."

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:21 PM (ExV1e)

396 Obama's been pretty quiet. Must sting to find out that everything he did was a big failure.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 17, 2025 12:21 PM (NXz8h)

397 I'm disappointed when people attempt to surgically modify their body in such a manner, almost as if they've decided God made a mistake...
____

I don't get the surgery for, uhm, tidying up the lady bits. If you are her guy, why do you care, and who else is going to see it anyway. Also, all surgeries come with risks.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2025 12:21 PM (Dv3i1)

398 I told you, exploding latrines are next.
Posted by: Maj. Healey

*power goes out suddenly*

"It's awfully dark in here"

*lights match*

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at June 17, 2025 12:21 PM (w9Wax)

399 394 Why would they try to frame Karen Read? What did she do to them ?
___

"They" killed a fellow cop. "They" needed someone to frame.

Posted by: Moot Quart at June 17, 2025 12:22 PM (qUkBO)

400 Tattoos
Posted by: Braenyard

Aw man, I didn't notice the tattoos the first time. Bummer.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:22 PM (77rzZ)

401 Gee, maybe we could just get back into the rug and pistachio business and let the oil be the gravy. Those Republican Guard assholes would probably go along with that.

Mo, fleeing with family in the Toyota from Tehran

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 17, 2025 12:22 PM (gm9Sb)

402 Why would they try to frame Karen Read? What did she do to them ?
Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 12:21 PM (VofaG)

The theory is that she is a convenient scapegoat not on the local police force.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:22 PM (ExV1e)

403 I first read that as "Exploding Karens."
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I saw Exploding Karens open for Greta in a Turban...

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 12:22 PM (TN0g+)

404 I think Kate has a much cuter face

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 12:23 PM (AOsQT)

405 Of course it is entirely possible that the Israeli decapitation of Iranian leadership will embolden the Iranian people to continue that work and overthrow the Mullahs. What comes after that is anybody's guess, and the odds of exchanging one group of madmen for another are not long. But Iran was (mostly) free before, and maybe they can be free again! CBD

At the point that a new regime arises in Persia and receives international recogition, that is when the US could come in and destroy the underground faciility.
At the request of the new government, as a show of good faith and to put the past behind them. (And probably for a trade deal and some rebuilding cash and a third party to run an actual domestic nuclear energy program)

That would solve the issue permanently. So Israel should continue to do things with their air supremacy that undermine the current regimes ability to hold power.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2025 12:23 PM (FCbAQ)

406 Has General Salami been laid to rest yet?

Posted by: Coldest Cut Of All at June 17, 2025 12:23 PM (G5+As)

407 I think Kate has a much cuter face
Posted by: Don Black

Agreed. Prettier all around.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:23 PM (77rzZ)

408 Late to the thread, but what was up with Tulsi Gabbard ? How could she be so wrong ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 12:23 PM (VE6XX)

409 Why would they try to frame Karen Read? What did she do to them ?
Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 12:21 PM (VofaG)

The theory is that she is a convenient scapegoat not on the local police force.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:22 PM (ExV1e)

so they think someone on the police force actually killed him?

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 12:23 PM (VofaG)

410 And, true, it wasn't the Achaemenids, but the Parthian and Sassanian Empires, who were the Achaemenids' successors.
Posted by: Bulg
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Cyrus has entered the chat.

As an aside, see Ezra 1.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2025 12:24 PM (XeU6L)

411 394 Why would they try to frame Karen Read? What did she do to them ?
Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 12:21 PM (VofaG)

There is a good quote from... Castle IIRC.

It is in one of the writer's poker games where one of the writers says:

'As much time as we spend on these things, there are only three reasons to commit a murder: Love, Money, or to cover up a crime.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:24 PM (bss/y)

412 394 Why would they try to frame Karen Read? What did she do to them ?
Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 12:21 PM (VofaG)

Because they needed someone to frame to take the fall for the actual perpetrator who was probably one of the cops at the house that night.

Posted by: Manufactured evidence, perjury, destruction of evidence - kinda sus! at June 17, 2025 12:24 PM (TbWk/)

413 Hide the Salami.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 17, 2025 12:24 PM (P9gC0)

414 Cop found dead on lawn of another cop. Local cops never bother going into the house to investigate. Basement of house quickly "refurbished" and sold.

Posted by: Moot Quart at June 17, 2025 12:24 PM (qUkBO)

415 @trump_repost
·
3m
We know exactly where the so-called "Supreme Leader" is hiding. He is an easy target, but is safe there - We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now. But we don't want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2025 12:26 PM (PQWix)

416 >I don't get the surgery for, uhm, tidying up the lady bits.
---

imagine you have earlobes that hang down to your shirt collar

would you consider reducing them?

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 12:26 PM (AOsQT)

417 Late to the thread, but what was up with Tulsi Gabbard ? How could she be so wrong ?
Posted by: It's me donna

And shouldn't Cabinet secretaries run their statements past the President before they open their yaps, to make sure that their positions align with his?

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:26 PM (77rzZ)

418 Slowpoke Rodriguez tried to draw down on a cop. It didn't go well.

http://tiny.cc/gv6n001

Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2025 12:26 PM (lIio7)

419 so they think someone on the police force actually killed him?
Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 12:23 PM (VofaG)

As I understand it, much as I'd prefer to be ignorant, the theory is that something happened and he ended up dead. Not, necessarily, that they killed him beyond, perhaps, negligence.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:26 PM (ExV1e)

420 Aw man, I didn't notice the tattoos the first time. Bummer.
Posted by: Bulg
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And a phone as an accessory of a glamour pic. Really?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 12:26 PM (Ffc+8)

421 Thanks to @POTUS’s pro-growth, America First policies, real wages for hourly workers are up nearly 2% in the first five months of @realDonaldTrump’s second term — the strongest growth in 60 years. No president has done that before — except President Trump in his first term. Hardworking Americans and Main Street businesses have never had a stronger ally in the @WhiteHouse .

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 12:27 PM (RHGPo)

422 imagine you have earlobes that hang down to your shirt collar
would you consider reducing them?
Posted by: Don Black

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at June 17, 2025 12:27 PM (w9Wax)

423 Why would they try to frame Karen Read? What did she do to them ?
Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 12:21 PM (VofaG)

Dead guy was a Boston cop found dead on a Boston cop's (or was Brian Albert a Canton cop?) lawn. No one bothered to investigate the cop's house, or interview the people at the party separately.

The Albert's and McCabes are big families in the town of Canton, and he was probably murdered in the house. The Blue Wall protecting itself.

And there is so much more insanity in this case.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 17, 2025 12:27 PM (sRoQh)

424 so they think someone on the police force actually killed him?
Posted by: polynikes

One of the cops was trying to get into Karen Read's pants. This led to bad blood by one of the cops towards the deceased who was her boyfriend. The implication by the defense is the cops beat him up during a heated argument and in the process killed him. At that point it was a five alarm fire drill to pin this on Karen Read.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 17, 2025 12:27 PM (NXz8h)

425 That's a pretty big conspiracy to pull that off. But why would they do a second trial? Wouldn't that help expose the conspiracy. You got away with it. Just let sleeping dogs lay .

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 12:28 PM (VofaG)

426 I personally get a laugh out of the claim that the Israelis are fighting "a war of aggression".
Tell me just how many hundreds of sq miles of land has Israel taken in Iran ?

The Russians in Ukraine supposedly took 100 sq miles last month.
(Ukraine is 244,000 sq miles, so I figure Russia will take it all in 100 years or so)

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 12:28 PM (RHGPo)

427 Late to the thread, but what was up with Tulsi Gabbard ? How could she be so wrong ?

She said they don't currently have a bomb. Not that they aren't trying to make one.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2025 12:28 PM (2ocoG)

428 And shouldn't Cabinet secretaries run their statements past the President before they open their yaps, to make sure that their positions align with his?
Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:26 PM (77rzZ)

Pretty sure the Gabbard quote being thrown around was in response to Congressional questioning.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:28 PM (ExV1e)

429 424 so they think someone on the police force actually killed him?
Posted by: polynikes

One of the cops was trying to get into Karen Read's pants. This led to bad blood by one of the cops towards the deceased who was her boyfriend. The implication by the defense is the cops beat him up during a heated argument and in the process killed him. At that point it was a five alarm fire drill to pin this on Karen Read.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 17, 2025 12:27 PM (NXz8h)

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Watch internet pron and hire a prostitute.

Cheaper.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 12:28 PM (GBKbO)

430
I don't get the surgery for, uhm, tidying up the lady bits. If you are her guy, why do you care, and who else is going to see it anyway. Also, all surgeries come with risks.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2025 12:21 PM (Dv3i1)

I guess it depends. If the minora look like you're giving birth to a lop-eared rabbit, you might be a little self-conscious about it. Could be uncomfortable too.

Posted by: Case by case basis at June 17, 2025 12:28 PM (TbWk/)

431 I wonder if this will be a short war or a long one.
If the Iranians fight back and don't collapse, this could get big and long.

No penis joke intended.
This time...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:29 PM (xcxpd)

432 The Russians in Ukraine supposedly took 100 sq miles last month.
(Ukraine is 244,000 sq miles, so I figure Russia will take it all in 100 years or so)

I think there's an excellent chance that at some point the dick pianist will flee to some island he bought and throw Putin the keys.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2025 12:29 PM (2ocoG)

433 415 @trump_repost
·
3m
We know exactly where the so-called "Supreme Leader" is hiding. He is an easy target, but is safe there - We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now. But we don't want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2025 12:26 PM (PQWix)
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Also saying wants unconditional surrender.

Making his position pretty clear.

Posted by: WisRich at June 17, 2025 12:29 PM (G0vdT)

434 433 Also saying wants unconditional surrender.

Making his position pretty clear.
Posted by: WisRich at June 17, 2025 12:29 PM (G0vdT)

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His unconditional surrender post was obviously about Melania's lingerie choice for the evening.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

435 One of the cops was trying to get into Karen Read's pants. This led to bad blood by one of the cops towards the deceased who was her boyfriend. The implication by the defense is the cops beat him up during a heated argument and in the process killed him. At that point it was a five alarm fire drill to pin this on Karen Read.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 17, 2025 12:27 PM (NXz8h)

Don't chase a gal who is seeing someone. Don't 'fight' over her. Don't be part of a crowd.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:30 PM (bss/y)

436
Also saying wants unconditional surrender.

Making his position pretty clear.
Posted by: WisRich at June 17, 2025 12:29 PM (G0vdT)

Even if they agreed I wouldn't trust them

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 12:30 PM (VE6XX)

437 https://tinyurl.com/Tara-Yazdi

Moo.

https://retrotoysusa.com/
cow-in-a-can-
barnyard-noise.html

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 17, 2025 12:30 PM (Qk3HE)

438 But why would they do a second trial?

Lotta people were bitching about how biased the first trial was so they needed a second, not quite as biased, trial to throw off the scent.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:30 PM (ExV1e)

439 Watched The French Dispatch this weekend. I fell asleep a couple of times. I like the approach but the serial stories varied wildly. I have a date this weekend with the wife to watch The Grand Budapest Hotel. Hopefully, I don't fall asleep.

Posted by: pudinhead at June 17, 2025 12:30 PM (FmapG)

440 His unconditional surrender post was obviously about Melania's lingerie choice for the evening.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 12:30 PM (GBKbO)
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Heh

Posted by: WisRich at June 17, 2025 12:30 PM (G0vdT)

441 I don't get the surgery for, uhm, tidying up the lady bits. If you are her guy, why do you care, and who else is going to see it anyway. Also, all surgeries come with risks.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2025 12:21 PM (Dv3i1)

I could see the back-pain issue. If I were a young woman with extremely large breasts, I would make my pile with them when I was young, and then probably have them reduced around 45 or so.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:31 PM (77rzZ)

442 Zelenski is very upset that the dust up in Iran is taking attention away from him. What does State think?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 12:31 PM (Ffc+8)

443 Also saying wants unconditional surrender.

Finally, a use case for sending French advisors!

Posted by: Ian S. at June 17, 2025 12:31 PM (2ocoG)

444 One of the cops was trying to get into Karen Read's pants.

Yup. Higgins. He is an ATF agent that destroyed his phone and dumped it at a military base the day before he received a preservation order.

My theories are:

1. Drunken fight gone bad over pussy.
2. John O'Keefe was snitching on bad cops and got whacked.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 17, 2025 12:31 PM (sRoQh)

445 Deep state has deep police doing their own things.

Posted by: Dreamingrobot at June 17, 2025 12:32 PM (xN7V5)

446 "It’s funny how all the pro-Ukraine war people now are mad that the US is selling Israel arms to blow up Iran.

But to be fair, plenty of the reverse as well. Peeps who wanted nothing to do with Ukraine are now on the Bomb Iran to the Stone Age bandwagon. "
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I always think it is funny when people try to show them as a direct comparison when they are not. People who try to do that are not worth replying to because they are being disingenuous and then some. They are different conflicts with different motivations and different strategic considerations for us.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 17, 2025 12:32 PM (GZYu7)

447 Watch internet pron and hire a prostitute.

Cop wouldn't even need to hire a prostitute. Pick up some woman and tell her that you'll book her for solicitation if she doesn't put out. It's CorruptionTown.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:32 PM (ExV1e)

448 Does anyone have CBD's tele # in France?
We need a new thread.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 12:32 PM (Ffc+8)

449 I don't expect any of that "nation building" that went before this.
This will end much like Syria .. as the stumble in the darkness for their future.

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 12:32 PM (RHGPo)

450 418 Slowpoke Rodriguez tried to draw down on a cop. It didn't go well.

http://tiny.cc/gv6n001
Posted by: bonhomme at June 17, 2025 12:26 PM (lIio7)

That wasn't cartoonishly slow, just trying to draw from appendix while seated isn't good/easy anyway.

He did look drunk/stoned though. That didn't help.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:32 PM (xcxpd)

451 Aw man, I didn't notice the tattoos the first time. Bummer.
Posted by: Bulg

Notice to the gals out there. STOP tatting up your body! Yea, there might be a few guys who think it's hot. It's not. It's actually gross.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 12:33 PM (ewjUl)

452 giving birth to a lop-eared rabbit

Wizard's sleeve.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 17, 2025 12:33 PM (Qk3HE)

453 >I could see the back-pain issue. If I were a young woman with extremely large breasts, I would.....
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not those bits

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 12:33 PM (AOsQT)

454 Lotta people were bitching about how biased the first trial was so they needed a second, not quite as biased, trial to throw off the scent.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:30 PM (ExV1e)

Sorry but that's too much of a rabbit hole.

Anyway she will be found not guilty since no real new bombshells revealed. But maybe the prosecution got a more favorable jury.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 12:33 PM (VofaG)

455 Just imagine if Kamala Harris was in the White House with those pro-HAMas/Pro-Iran minions.
They would shovel inflation reduction money via the EPA to every crazy in the Middle East.

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 12:33 PM (RHGPo)

456 Cop wouldn't even need to hire a prostitute. Pick up some woman and tell her that you'll book her for solicitation if she doesn't put out. It's CorruptionTown.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:32 PM

I see you know the police in MA. Especially the staties.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 12:33 PM (kgE5c)

457 I could see the back-pain issue. If I were a young woman with extremely large breasts, I would make my pile with them when I was young, and then probably have them reduced around 45 or so.
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"If I had boobs like that, I'd never leave the house."

Posted by: Butthead at June 17, 2025 12:33 PM (TN0g+)

458 He's right, you know. (Konstantin Kisin)
Joking aside, the reason the online isolationists are having such a meltdown is actually not even that they are "anti-war". Current events are shattering the illusion that their hot takes are representative or influential. This is why they're so upset.

The reason they have been able to maintain this illusion in their minds despite the fact that President Trump has always been pro-Israel and a hawk on Iran is that the illusion was flattering to them.

Thousands and thousands of likes on their posts about how Churchill was the chief villain of WWII and Israel is the root of all evil went to their head. They thought they had power. The thought they had influence. And now that they've realised they don't they're calling for Trump to be impeached

https://is.gd/E7WxaG

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 12:34 PM (s8j++)

459 Watched The French Dispatch this weekend. I fell asleep a couple of times. I like the approach but the serial stories varied wildly. I have a date this weekend with the wife to watch The Grand Budapest Hotel. Hopefully, I don't fall asleep.
Posted by: pudinhead

The Grand Budapest is my favorite Wes Anderson movie by far. In my mind it's a masterpiece. You might want to check out the friends of Eddie Coyle. It's a solid 1973 noir starring Robert Mitchum.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 17, 2025 12:34 PM (NXz8h)

460 Cop wouldn't even need to hire a prostitute. Pick up some woman and tell her that you'll book her for solicitation if she doesn't put out. It's CorruptionTown.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:32 PM (ExV1e)

Never get that. If the gal is not into it, what the fuck is the point?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:34 PM (bss/y)

461 Kathleen Kennedy Shares Her New Vision for Star Wars

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Put a chick in it and make her lame and gay?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 17, 2025 12:34 PM (L/fGl)

462 If I were a young woman with extremely large breasts...

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:31 PM (77rzZ)

Wait...you aren't?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 17, 2025 12:35 PM (L5An7)

463 Unconditional surrender has the smell of “nation building” which we are not doing yet again. If history has shown anything, beside the obvious failure, these things are usually full of all kinds of opportunities for fraud by all sort of bad actors much like USAID.

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 12:35 PM (RHGPo)

464 >Notice to the gals out there. STOP tatting up your body!
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and leave the downstairs carpet alone, FFS

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 12:35 PM (AOsQT)

465 Thousands and thousands of likes on their posts about how Churchill was the chief villain of WWII and Israel is the root of all evil went to their head. They thought they had power. The thought they had influence. And now that they've realised they don't they're calling for Trump to be impeached

https://is.gd/E7WxaG
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 12:34 PM (s8j++)

Again I ask: how many of these internally inconsistent people are there outside of twitter?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:36 PM (bss/y)

466 imagine you have earlobes that hang down to your shirt collar
would you consider reducing them?
Posted by: Don Black

This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at June 17, 2025 12:27 PM

Fuck you guys.

Posted by: B Obama JEF (ret) at June 17, 2025 12:36 PM (ewjUl)

467 461 Kathleen Kennedy Shares Her New Vision for Star Wars

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Put a chick in it and make her lame and gay?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 17, 2025 12:34 PM (L/fGl)

Brilliant.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:36 PM (bss/y)

468 451 Aw man, I didn't notice the tattoos the first time. Bummer.
Posted by: Bulg

Notice to the gals out there. STOP tatting up your body! Yea, there might be a few guys who think it's hot. It's not. It's actually gross.
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 12:33 PM (ewjUl)

The excessive tatting, the turning your face into the fishing tackle section of a hardware store - it just doesn't look good. At all. On anyone. At that level it's pure vandalism. And it genuinely saddens me to see so many young women - and men - feeling compelled to deface and mutilate themselves.

Posted by: This trend I don't like it at June 17, 2025 12:36 PM (TbWk/)

469 It is in one of the writer's poker games where one of the writers says:

'As much time as we spend on these things, there are only three reasons to commit a murder: Love, Money, or to cover up a crime.'
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:24 PM (bss/y)

The writers clearly never spent time in the barrio.
People kill for pride, anger, because they're having a bad day, to defend territory, to protect someone or something that's their's...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:36 PM (xcxpd)

470 Unconditional surrender has the smell of “nation building” which we are not doing yet again. If history has shown anything, beside the obvious failure, these things are usually full of all kinds of opportunities for fraud by all sort of bad actors much like USAID.
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You're stretching. Unconditional surrender is more or less regime change, and neither term has to mean boots on the ground. It just means "we're going to keep breaking your stuff until there's somebody else to talk to".

Posted by: Butthead at June 17, 2025 12:36 PM (TN0g+)

471
They deserve the same punishment as Saddam Hussein.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 12:37 PM (Ffc+8)

472 Notice to the gals out there. STOP tatting up your body!

Generational thing.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:37 PM (ExV1e)

473 Keep in mind that all of what is happening is Allah's will

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 12:37 PM (RHGPo)

474 469 The writers clearly never spent time in the barrio.
People kill for pride, anger, because they're having a bad day, to defend territory, to protect someone or something that's their's...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:36 PM (xcxpd)

======

I kill only when I see red.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 12:37 PM (GBKbO)

475 The writers clearly never spent time in the barrio.
People kill for pride, anger, because they're having a bad day, to defend territory, to protect someone or something that's their's...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:36 PM (xcxpd)

Eh, valid. Life is cheap when it comes down to it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:37 PM (bss/y)

476 If I were a young woman with extremely large breasts...
Posted by: Bulg

Phew, that was close!

Posted by: The Subjunctive Mood at June 17, 2025 12:37 PM (w9Wax)

477 ace is up.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:38 PM (bss/y)

478 I kill only when I see red.
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Me too.

Posted by: Zombie Wyatt Earp at June 17, 2025 12:38 PM (TN0g+)

479 and leave the downstairs carpet alone, FFS
Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 12:35 PM (AOsQT)

agree but I do like lawn care.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 12:38 PM (VofaG)

480 Cop wouldn't even need to hire a prostitute. Pick up some woman and tell her that you'll book her for solicitation if she doesn't put out. It's CorruptionTown.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:32 PM (ExV1e)

Never get that. If the gal is not into it, what the fuck is the point?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:34 PM (bss/y)

Because they get off on dominating, coercing and abusing others. It's why they became cops in the first place.

Posted by: For those kind of cops that's exactly the point at June 17, 2025 12:38 PM (TbWk/)

481 I kill only when I see red.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 12:37 PM (GBKbO)

Or Prometheus?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 17, 2025 12:38 PM (sRoQh)

482 Uh... Girl mathing tells me two GBU-28 equals GBU-56....Close enough for gubmint work yes?

Oh what the hell drop three... that's 3 x 28..., that'll cover it..., yeah, that'll do

Posted by: Nope! at June 17, 2025 12:38 PM (emISv)

483 Nood. Something about Iran.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:38 PM (ExV1e)

484 I kill only when I see red.
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Me too.
Posted by: Zombie Wyatt Earp
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Me too.

Posted by: Warrant at June 17, 2025 12:39 PM (TN0g+)

485 Germany's Chancellor " Israel is doing the World's dirty work".

Posted by: Ben Had at June 17, 2025 12:39 PM (DLqye)

486 It’s funny how all the pro-Ukraine war people now are mad that the US is selling Israel arms to blow up Iran.

Are there any such? That doesn't seem to compute.

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2025 12:39 PM (XSDUb)

487 The biggest joke in Tehran is the where-abouts of Ayatollah Khamenei. It seems nobody, except the Israelis, know where Ayatollah Khamenei is avoiding martyrdom.

KACO (Khamenei Always Chickens Out)

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 12:40 PM (RHGPo)

488 437
‘ https://tinyurl.com/Tara-Yazdi

Moo.’

Happy Pride Month!

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 17, 2025 12:40 PM (jbnUc)

489 We know exactly where the so-called "Supreme Leader" is hiding. He is an easy target, but is safe there - We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now. But we don't want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

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Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu Won’t Rule Out Killing Iran’s Supreme Leader

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 17, 2025 12:40 PM (L/fGl)

490 I kill only when I see red.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 12:37 PM (GBKbO)
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I'll kill a man in a fair fight. Or if I think he's gonna start a fair fight. Or if he bothers me. Or if there's a woman involved, or if I'm gettin' paid - mostly only when I'm gettin' paid.

Posted by: Jayne Cobb at June 17, 2025 12:40 PM (6YdsJ)

491 This reminds me ... where is John Kerry now that Iran is smoking ?

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (RHGPo)

492 356 Hell

Heather Graham now > Sydney Sweeney
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Heather Graham was smoking hot in "Diggstown". That's a great flick with James Woods in it if any of you all missed it.
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If you like the movie, don't read the book from the 70's - it's dominated by a miscegenation subplot wisely left out of the film

Posted by: But I'm a Hero, the media says so at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (F/35S)

493 If I work for the government then I'm a consultant. If I work for anybody else, a prostitute.

Posted by: Dreamingrobot at June 17, 2025 12:42 PM (xN7V5)

494 What if IAF crews have been training on B-2s and the US "gives" one or a few of them to Israel, with the US markings removed and IAF markings replacing them until further notice?

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM (n+rGF)

495 Didn’t Ayatollah Kocakhamenei say Iran had “no interest” in building a nuclear weapon. A religious leader lied ?

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM (RHGPo)

496 I would rather Iran be communist than Islamist.

Posted by: toby928 at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (jc0TO)

497 Israel Bombs Iran in “Mostly Peaceful” Preemptive Strike.

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (RHGPo)

498 Not many armies encourage baby fucking like October 7.

Posted by: Dreamingrobot at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (xN7V5)

499 Iran was (mostly) free before, and maybe they can be free again!

Maybe. That's gonna be up to them. No more nation building. They might also wind up as a failed state breeding ground for future jihadis. Who knows.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (/4+8Z)

500 most bunker buster missions assume a single strike since normally sites tend to be heavily defended with Antiaircraft missiles ...
when you can hit a site for days on end you don't need the big bombs ...
and a bunker can be redered useless without ever penetrating the 300 feet of rock ... very little can survive the cuncussive forces applied when enough bombs exploded above a bunker without breaching the shell ...

plus I'm sure that someone has developed a rocket powered penatrator that can breach alot of rock ...

day 1 blast the site with several GBU-28's

day 2 rocket penetrators ... swiss cheese the site

day 3 several more GBU-28's

When you control the skies its a engineering problem as much as anything ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (DBAaD)

501 everyone saw Armegedden right ... drilling a hole in 300 feet of rock is a 1 day job ...

1) drop in security teams

2) drop in 2 drill teams with gear

3) drill 2 holes

4) drop in gas cannisters

5) pop goes the weasle ...

6) extract teams

Posted by: The Dark Lord at June 17, 2025 01:37 PM (DBAaD)

502 remote controlled drilling rig ...

airdropped in ...

dig a 300 foot hole (doesn't need to be a big hole)

pipe in explosive gas

barbeque ...

then pipe in posion gas ...

clever folks can figure this out ... lots of clever folks on one side of this ifght ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at June 17, 2025 01:51 PM (DBAaD)

503 122 GBU-27s...GBU-58s. Whatever it takes.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2025 11:26 AM (W/lyH)

Mr Mom has entered the discussion...

Posted by: Nope! at June 17, 2025 01:58 PM (emISv)

504 CNN has just been notified that a Federal Judge from Hawaii has ordered Trump to attack Israel and to give Iran Nukes for his unconstitutional acts against persons of color for giving aid the IDF Nazis.........................

Posted by: CNN Breaking News at June 17, 2025 02:37 PM (aKoaI)

505 What if IAF crews have been training on B-2s and the US "gives" one or a few of them to Israel, with the US markings removed and IAF markings replacing them until further notice?

We did such a thing in WWII called the "Lend/Lease program".

Posted by: Mike Hunt at June 17, 2025 02:40 PM (aKoaI)

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