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Propriety, Politeness, Knowing One's Place, And Other Lessons From Our So-Called "Elites"
Ukraine's megalomaniacal President Volodymyr Zelenskyy roared into town on Friday, fully expecting to be treated as a scrappy hero, valiantly fighting the mean old Russian bear. And why not? That is how he is being treated across the world, particularly in Western Europe. Of course Western Europe hasn't seen a real hero since 1945, and their ideas of strength and heroism are suspect, since they seem to embrace dictators and terrorists rather than freedom and liberty.
But he has also been welcomed as a freedom fighter by the former powers-that-be in America. Feted by titans like Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi (and countless internet warriors with the Ukrainian flag on their X profile), who treated Ukraine as a military equal that just needs a bit of help, and propped up on the world stage as the tip of the spear against the monstrous evil of Putin and Russia... why wouldn't he feel as if he is amongst his peers? But he and Ukraine aren't. Ukraine is a piss-ant corruptocracy that has a GDP of $178 billion. That's halfway between Kansas and Arkansas. Seriously. As for the "freedom" part? Sure... all free nations have presidents who suspend elections and whose wives go on shopping sprees with foreign aid money while their youth is churned up and spat out by a nasty border war with their much larger neighbor. And all free nations have a well-oiled graft and grift system that systematically steals large chunks of foreign aid and pumps it into their own corrupt systems, while returning 10% for the big guy! But Zelenskyy must understand the reality of the situation. And that is at odds with the cheerleading from the neo-cons, who want forever wars to pump up their stock portfolios and satisfy their masturbatory fantasies about a Pax Americana. And the left, with its fanatical hatred of Putin wants him to be destroyed by the quagmire of his Ukraine war. That reality is that no matter the histrionic nonsense pouring out of Western Europe, Russia is not preparing an assault on Berlin and Paris. Russia is consolidating its border with Ukraine, and that is at least partly in response to the unbelievable lies from the Western alliance about how they weren't going to expand NATO. Yup...starting in 1990 with Gorbachev, who was assured by James Baker that NATO would not expand if the USSR allowed the reunification of Germany. Whoops! 1999: Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland2004: Bulgaria, The Baltic States, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia
2009: Albania, Croatia
2023: Finland
2024: Sweden Putin is a thug and a dictator and a murderer. He is also able to read a map, and has observed over the last 25 years the expansion of the alliance of the USSR's adversaries gradually to encircle Russia's western border. Is it acceptable behavior among nations to use military means to consolidate one's borders? No. But it is typical and expected, and it has happened far more frequently than the other option of polite discussion and diplomatic maneuvering. But back to the track-suited Ukrainian midget with the Napoleonic complex. Zelenskyy made the rash, arrogant, ignorant and dangerous assumption that his press was reality. Maybe in Western Europe, but not in America, where the majority would prefer that we disengage from the Russia-Ukraine border war and pay just a bit more attention to Americans in need. He made another assumption; that President Trump would accept his bombastic behavior, because everyone else has! But Donald Trump is not everyone else, which is why the American people made him president. Any casual observer of Donald Trump will immediately recognize that he enjoys pomp and circumstance. He appreciates the show, and enjoys when others respect that. Zelenskyy made a conscious (or ignorant and stupid) decision to try to control Donald Trump's show, in the White House, in front of the media. And not only that; he also displayed a breathtaking sense of entitlement to OUR MONEY! He chose badly. Does anyone know how to say in Ukrainian, "When you are in somebody else's house; don't piss on the carpet?" It is entirely possible that a Zelenskyy in control of himself, and who understood his and his country's proper place, could have emerged from his meeting with President Trump with some assurances that the United States would support Ukrainian territorial integrity and push for a reasonable end to the awful border war. But we will never know, and it is now incumbent upon the people of Ukraine to find an alternative to their track-suited dictator... someone who will be more realistic, and appreciate the vast change that has occurred in America.
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Well said !
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:04 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 12:06 PM (T3vgT)
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But we will never know, and it is now incumbent upon the people of Ukraine to find an alternative to their track-suited dictator
What's Ukrainian for "gopnik"?
But we will never know, and it is now incumbent upon the people of Ukraine to find an alternative to their track-suited dictator
What's Ukrainian for "gopnik"?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:07 PM (dxSpM)
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U.S. Ministry of Truth
@USMiniTru
Feb 28
The Department of Justice Epstein file influencer event was such a terrible idea in theory & execution I almost thought they'd hired Kathleen Kennedy to run it.
Feb 28, 2025 · 3:56 AM UTC
@USMiniTru
Feb 28
The Department of Justice Epstein file influencer event was such a terrible idea in theory & execution I almost thought they'd hired Kathleen Kennedy to run it.
Feb 28, 2025 · 3:56 AM UTC
Posted by: Kindltot at March 02, 2025 12:07 PM (D7oie)
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I see he went crawling back to Europe.. Good... Don't come back
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:08 PM (VE6XX)
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What's Ukrainian for "gopnik"?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:07 PM (dxSpM)
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Same as in town.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:07 PM (dxSpM)
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Same as in town.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 12:08 PM (T3vgT)
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The guy stepped on his dick...screwed the pooch...etc.
Posted by: BignJames at March 02, 2025 12:09 PM (Yj6Os)
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Seems their plan is to send British boys to Ukraine and when they're shot scream "Article 5" and then the US must pay. Fuck the EU. You made your decision, time for us to fly away. Start with the 101st.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:09 PM (2NXcZ)
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Word on the street is that Trump staged the encounter to play tough for the cameras
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT)
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If European leaders really believed that Russia was an existential threat, they would act like it. Instead, they import billions in oil and natural gas from Russia and spend peanuts on their own national defense. Expropriation wants to form their own alliance without the US? Have at it. 80 years is long enough. Good luck.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 02, 2025 12:11 PM (u73oe)
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Tobias Elwood of the UK called for War with Russia and Martial Law.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:11 PM (2NXcZ)
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Noticed yesterday that a lot of lefties posting their Trump hatred with the Ukraine flag. Stand with Ukraine they say from the ski house in Vermont or time share in Aruba.
Nobody likes putin. Nobody likes Z. This whole nato expansion and using Ukrainian youth the last person to satisfy neocons and Z desire to oust putin is wearing thin. When did it become US policy for regime change in russia? Anyone ask Biden that question? Bueller? Anyone?
Nobody likes putin. Nobody likes Z. This whole nato expansion and using Ukrainian youth the last person to satisfy neocons and Z desire to oust putin is wearing thin. When did it become US policy for regime change in russia? Anyone ask Biden that question? Bueller? Anyone?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2025 12:11 PM (OA79/)
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Wonder how much his European enablers will be willing to pony up?
Probably nowhere near a couple hundred billion dollars.
sux2bu Z-man.
Probably nowhere near a couple hundred billion dollars.
sux2bu Z-man.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 02, 2025 12:11 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 12:11 PM (T3vgT)
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Willowed.
So turn it off. All my typos I proudly own.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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No idea how to do this. Generally on a kindle tablet, but also android phone or win10 laptop.
Any advice?
So turn it off. All my typos I proudly own.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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No idea how to do this. Generally on a kindle tablet, but also android phone or win10 laptop.
Any advice?
Posted by: From about That Time at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (n4GiU)
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Don’t know how autocorrect got expropriation from Europe.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (u73oe)
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Yeah, the lefty sister-in-law has gone all Ukrainian on Facebook.
I'm actually old enough to remember when Johnson lost the left over Vietnam and dissent was NOT an option for them.
Nice to see that even Bill Murray figured out finally that Nixon was framed.
Yeah, the lefty sister-in-law has gone all Ukrainian on Facebook.
I'm actually old enough to remember when Johnson lost the left over Vietnam and dissent was NOT an option for them.
Nice to see that even Bill Murray figured out finally that Nixon was framed.
Posted by: Auspex at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (j4U/Z)
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Thanks CBD.
I’ve watched that exchange on YouTube at least 3 times now and every time I see it I get a little more irritated with the midget. So disrespectful and lacking in gratitude and entitled…. Then I read Mollie Hemingway on X this morning to find out he’d been egged on by the likes Susan Rice and Bearclaw Vindman and other Obamaites… it’s really infuriating. Even more irritating he immediately runs off to Starmer and Macron as if Western Europe is gonna save him. He needs to be ousted; let him take some portion of his stolen billions and settle down to a life of ease in the French Riviera well away from any power
BTW…. How did the inversion happen? In the 80s conservatives were cold warriors and liberals wanted to be friends with the Russian bear; now it’s the opposite. Blows my mind
I’ve watched that exchange on YouTube at least 3 times now and every time I see it I get a little more irritated with the midget. So disrespectful and lacking in gratitude and entitled…. Then I read Mollie Hemingway on X this morning to find out he’d been egged on by the likes Susan Rice and Bearclaw Vindman and other Obamaites… it’s really infuriating. Even more irritating he immediately runs off to Starmer and Macron as if Western Europe is gonna save him. He needs to be ousted; let him take some portion of his stolen billions and settle down to a life of ease in the French Riviera well away from any power
BTW…. How did the inversion happen? In the 80s conservatives were cold warriors and liberals wanted to be friends with the Russian bear; now it’s the opposite. Blows my mind
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (+kWhq)
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12 Noticed yesterday that a lot of lefties posting their Trump hatred with the Ukraine flag. Stand with Ukraine they say from the ski house in Vermont or time share in Aruba.
MY DIL's family raced to facebook to do just that.. My DIL is just as liberal.. Didn't join in this time
MY DIL's family raced to facebook to do just that.. My DIL is just as liberal.. Didn't join in this time
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:13 PM (VE6XX)
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Word on the street is that Trump staged the encounter to play tough for the cameras
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT)
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That street would be Democratic Rogue Regime Avenue.
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT)
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That street would be Democratic Rogue Regime Avenue.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 12:13 PM (T3vgT)
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9 Word on the street is that Trump staged the encounter to play tough for the cameras
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT)
Trump stage evrthin. He wants to be pootins but boy so bad. Gonna make putin king of the whorl!!@
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT)
Trump stage evrthin. He wants to be pootins but boy so bad. Gonna make putin king of the whorl!!@
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein at March 02, 2025 12:13 PM (OA79/)
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Our elite betters seem to be having trouble with how to handle a bit of being told to fuck off.
Introspection has not yet crossed their horizons.
Introspection has not yet crossed their horizons.
Posted by: From about That Time at March 02, 2025 12:14 PM (n4GiU)
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power
BTW…. How did the inversion happen? In the 80s conservatives were cold warriors and liberals wanted to be friends with the Russian bear; now it’s the opposite. Blows my mind
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (+kWhq)
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Simple. If Trump is for it they’re against it.
BTW…. How did the inversion happen? In the 80s conservatives were cold warriors and liberals wanted to be friends with the Russian bear; now it’s the opposite. Blows my mind
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (+kWhq)
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Simple. If Trump is for it they’re against it.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 02, 2025 12:15 PM (u73oe)
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Love the way they kicked him out of the WH.. They literally ate his lunch...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:15 PM (VE6XX)
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OK, a couple of things. We all saw what happened in the Oval. What is going on now is Zelensky's retirement. On Sunday, one after another US administration representatives said he must go. Not exactly this minute, more like "we need someone who can bring Ukraine to negotiating table with Russia and talk peace, and make concessions as other side will as well", and "Zelensky proved himself not be the man to do it". That is what they are doing today in that London summit. It was sweetened by hugs from Starmer, tea with King Charles, 3 billion pound sterling check from the UK, and more hugs from the rest of the Euros. Then came the chaser, spokesman for the Kremlin said that Zelensky looked unwell.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:15 PM (g47mK)
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'Zelenskyy made a conscious (or ignorant and stupid) decision to try to control Donald Trump's show, in the White House, in front of the media.'
Yeah. The part that baffled me was Trump giving Zelensky a forum to try to double cross him. I'd like to believe Trump could spot something that and stop it before happens.
I'd allow for the possibility that Trump took Macron's and Starmer's word that it was a good idea.
Yeah. The part that baffled me was Trump giving Zelensky a forum to try to double cross him. I'd like to believe Trump could spot something that and stop it before happens.
I'd allow for the possibility that Trump took Macron's and Starmer's word that it was a good idea.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 02, 2025 12:15 PM (3wi/L)
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>No idea how to do this. Generally on a kindle tablet, but also android phone or win10 laptop.
Any advice?
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you gotta go into the browser's settings
Any advice?
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you gotta go into the browser's settings
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:16 PM (AOsQT)
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Word on the street is that Trump staged the encounter to play tough for the cameras
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT)
Any actual source for that supposition, or are you bullsh*tting...
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT)
Any actual source for that supposition, or are you bullsh*tting...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:16 PM (mWSu4)
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If it's true that Obama's cabal was instrumental in getting Little Z to be belligerent with Trump in the hope that he (Trump) would come unhinged and make a fool of himself then Trump's surrogates need to up their opsec and position that cabal for some much needed offensive action.
This shit went on under Trump I and needs to stop.
This shit went on under Trump I and needs to stop.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 02, 2025 12:16 PM (Q4IgG)
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No doubt Z was using our money to consolidate what little support he has among his bootlickers, toadies, and hangers-on in Ukraine.
When that gravy train dried up, now he's panicking because he has no way to continue feeding them.
They've grown accustomed to a certain lifestyle and will turn on him once they can no longer live like kings and princes among their people.
When that gravy train dried up, now he's panicking because he has no way to continue feeding them.
They've grown accustomed to a certain lifestyle and will turn on him once they can no longer live like kings and princes among their people.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 02, 2025 12:16 PM (BpYfr)
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No idea how to do this. Generally on a kindle tablet, but also android phone or win10 laptop.
Any advice?
Posted by: From about That Time at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (n4GiU)
Well, in a laptop or desktop, autocorrect is usually a browser setting. Kindle, I know from nothing. On a phone, should be in "settings", I expect.
I would Web search (device) + autocorrect
Any advice?
Posted by: From about That Time at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (n4GiU)
Well, in a laptop or desktop, autocorrect is usually a browser setting. Kindle, I know from nothing. On a phone, should be in "settings", I expect.
I would Web search (device) + autocorrect
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 02, 2025 12:17 PM (8zz6B)
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Then came the chaser, spokesman for the Kremlin said that Zelensky looked unwell.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:15 PM (g47mK)
Z - Man better stay away from windows in tall buildings
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:15 PM (g47mK)
Z - Man better stay away from windows in tall buildings
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:17 PM (VE6XX)
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Then came the chaser, spokesman for the Kremlin said that Zelensky looked unwell.
And if you don't believe us, wait until he falls out a window onto a bed of polonium-laced ricin.
And if you don't believe us, wait until he falls out a window onto a bed of polonium-laced ricin.
Posted by: Russia at March 02, 2025 12:17 PM (/HDaX)
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Then came the chaser, spokesman for the Kremlin said that Zelensky looked unwell.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:15 PM (g47mK)
Polonium. There's a lot of that going around right now.
Then came the chaser, spokesman for the Kremlin said that Zelensky looked unwell.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:15 PM (g47mK)
Polonium. There's a lot of that going around right now.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:17 PM (dxSpM)
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Ooooooh and Zelensky has been accidentally shot by Claudine Longet!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 02, 2025 12:18 PM (u73oe)
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More, WSJ is reporting that US is looking into opening up NordStream2. This a great strategic chess move. Germany is the leading economy of the EU. Germany's government is just forming. This is pressure on Germany to form a government that aligns with US strategic goals in Europe and the rest of the world.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:18 PM (g47mK)
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Good info. Didn't know so many countries had become members of NATO in contravention of assurances given to Russia.
So many "important" people vowing to stand by Ukraine; too bad Zelensky isn't one of them (you'll notice that I demoted him one 'y').
So many "important" people vowing to stand by Ukraine; too bad Zelensky isn't one of them (you'll notice that I demoted him one 'y').
Posted by: Paco at March 02, 2025 12:19 PM (mADJX)
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Then came the chaser, spokesman for the Kremlin said that Zelensky looked unwell.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:15 PM (g47mK)
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"Don't you think he looks tired?"
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:15 PM (g47mK)
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"Don't you think he looks tired?"
Posted by: The Tenth Doctor at March 02, 2025 12:19 PM (BpYfr)
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Is it acceptable behavior among nations to use military means to consolidate one's borders? No. But it is typical and expected, and it has happened far more frequently than the other option of polite discussion and diplomatic maneuvering.
Russia politely discussed and diplomatically maneuvered for 20 years while the west lied again, and again, and again. Russia sought rapprochement and was rebuffed all the while the forces of Big Homo were poisoning Russia's culture and sodomizing their orphans.
Everyone says that Putin is a thug and a dictator and a murderer. They know all of these things to be true because media outlets and commentators on the CIA payroll say so ad nauseum. Maybe he is. But he's also a Russian patriot and we've left him no other viable option. That's on us.
Russia politely discussed and diplomatically maneuvered for 20 years while the west lied again, and again, and again. Russia sought rapprochement and was rebuffed all the while the forces of Big Homo were poisoning Russia's culture and sodomizing their orphans.
Everyone says that Putin is a thug and a dictator and a murderer. They know all of these things to be true because media outlets and commentators on the CIA payroll say so ad nauseum. Maybe he is. But he's also a Russian patriot and we've left him no other viable option. That's on us.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (ExV1e)
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I wouldn't be surprised if his own people take him out
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (VE6XX)
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And if you don't believe us, wait until he falls out a window onto a bed of polonium-laced ricin.
Posted by: Russia at March 02, 2025 12:17 PM (/HDaX)
Whoever came up with the term "overkill," I bet he wasn't Russian.
Posted by: Russia at March 02, 2025 12:17 PM (/HDaX)
Whoever came up with the term "overkill," I bet he wasn't Russian.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (uGsHF)
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Why must we always preface comments on this topic with a preamble of “Putin is horrible awful evil no good BUT”?? I’ll say it: Putin is a more rational actor than Zelensky…. He seems to be an old school adherent of realpolitik and he cares about his own country (duh). He’s not expansionist Stalin reincarnated…. Obama’s little cute comment “the 80s called and want their foreign policy back” has a ring of truth; the Ukraine fanatics are stuck in 1983
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (+kWhq)
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But we will never know, and it is now incumbent upon the people of Ukraine to find an alternative to their track-suited dictator.
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One month cease fire and hold snap elections. If the Ukes vote for someone wanting to continue the war, that's on them.
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One month cease fire and hold snap elections. If the Ukes vote for someone wanting to continue the war, that's on them.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (Dm8we)
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Any actual source for that supposition, or are you bullsh*tting...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:16 PM (mWSu4)
It would not surprise me to learn that Trump knew Z-man was going to step on his dick, and arranged for him to do it under the glare of the TV lights.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:16 PM (mWSu4)
It would not surprise me to learn that Trump knew Z-man was going to step on his dick, and arranged for him to do it under the glare of the TV lights.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (8zz6B)
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So many "important" people vowing to stand by Ukraine; too bad Zelensky isn't one of them (you'll notice that I demoted him one 'y').
Posted by: Paco at March 02, 2025 12:19 PM (mADJX)
heh... he will fight to the last Ukrainian man!
And I considered screwing with the spelling, but the guy is such a little turd, it wouldn't matter.
Posted by: Paco at March 02, 2025 12:19 PM (mADJX)
heh... he will fight to the last Ukrainian man!
And I considered screwing with the spelling, but the guy is such a little turd, it wouldn't matter.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (mWSu4)
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8 'Seems their plan is to send British boys to Ukraine and when they're shot scream "Article 5" and then the US must pay. '
I hope someone on Trump's team will let Britain know that if they put troops into Ukraine then they're on their own (absent a US endorsed peace).
I listen to some British podcasts. It's hard to emphasize enough how behind Zelensky and Ukraine. It us not a partisan issue like it is here. The British need some firm explanation of our position on this.
I hope someone on Trump's team will let Britain know that if they put troops into Ukraine then they're on their own (absent a US endorsed peace).
I listen to some British podcasts. It's hard to emphasize enough how behind Zelensky and Ukraine. It us not a partisan issue like it is here. The British need some firm explanation of our position on this.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (3wi/L)
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Polonium. There's a lot of that going around right now.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:17 PM (dxSpM)
Rare Earth Minerals ! Seriously though, I do not approve of this kind of tactic, and think it is sinister, but it that is how they play.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:17 PM (dxSpM)
Rare Earth Minerals ! Seriously though, I do not approve of this kind of tactic, and think it is sinister, but it that is how they play.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (g47mK)
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BTW…. How did the inversion happen? In the 80s conservatives were cold warriors and liberals wanted to be friends with the Russian bear; now it’s the opposite. Blows my mind
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (+kWhq)
Putin told Obama that communism doesn't work, next day the "reset" button vanished.
BTW…. How did the inversion happen? In the 80s conservatives were cold warriors and liberals wanted to be friends with the Russian bear; now it’s the opposite. Blows my mind
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (+kWhq)
Putin told Obama that communism doesn't work, next day the "reset" button vanished.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (2NXcZ)
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So many "important" people vowing to stand by Ukraine; too bad Zelensky isn't one of them (you'll notice that I demoted him one 'y').
Posted by: Paco at March 02, 2025 12:19 PM (mADJX)
Anyone who actually cares about Ukraine should have been clamoring for a peace deal 3 years ago.
Posted by: Paco at March 02, 2025 12:19 PM (mADJX)
Anyone who actually cares about Ukraine should have been clamoring for a peace deal 3 years ago.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (uGsHF)
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Bull shit, I guess
It's what the other side is saying
It's what the other side is saying
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (AOsQT)
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26 'Zelenskyy made a conscious (or ignorant and stupid) decision to try to control Donald Trump's show, in the White House, in front of the media.'
Yeah. The part that baffled me was Trump giving Zelensky a forum to try to double cross him. I'd like to believe Trump could spot something that and stop it before happens.
I'd allow for the possibility that Trump took Macron's and Starmer's word that it was a good idea.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 02, 2025 12:15 PM (3wi/L)
I think you had to give Z the chance to play the right part in that public meeting, but he thought, wrongly, that Pelosi and crew's back channel advice was backed by something. We'll see. If vindman was involved in that call, he should be sanctioned by the house somehow. The guy is a deep state operative holding a seat in the house. Z showed his ass to Trump and the US on that meeting. Let's see if Pelosi and crew give the munchkin of Kiev some help.
Really interesting power play going on right in public.
Yeah. The part that baffled me was Trump giving Zelensky a forum to try to double cross him. I'd like to believe Trump could spot something that and stop it before happens.
I'd allow for the possibility that Trump took Macron's and Starmer's word that it was a good idea.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 02, 2025 12:15 PM (3wi/L)
I think you had to give Z the chance to play the right part in that public meeting, but he thought, wrongly, that Pelosi and crew's back channel advice was backed by something. We'll see. If vindman was involved in that call, he should be sanctioned by the house somehow. The guy is a deep state operative holding a seat in the house. Z showed his ass to Trump and the US on that meeting. Let's see if Pelosi and crew give the munchkin of Kiev some help.
Really interesting power play going on right in public.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein at March 02, 2025 12:22 PM (OA79/)
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And if you don't believe us, wait until he falls out a window onto a bed of polonium-laced ricin.
Posted by: Russia at March 02, 2025 12:17 PM (/HDaX)
Whoever came up with the term "overkill," I bet he wasn't Russian.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (uGsHF)
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Posted by: Russia at March 02, 2025 12:17 PM (/HDaX)
Whoever came up with the term "overkill," I bet he wasn't Russian.
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Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 02, 2025 12:22 PM (BpYfr)
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Zelenskyy’s biggest mistake was treating America the way that the Europeans and the Left think it ought to be treated.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 12:22 PM (SSRw1)
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Clogged sock off
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2025 12:22 PM (OA79/)
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Right before he met with Trump, Zelensky met with a number of Democratic senators who told him to reject the deal.
That's because 1) they don't want to give Trump a win, and 2) they want the war to go on forever, because a fair chunk of the money going to "Ukraine" gets recycled back to Washington DC.
That's because 1) they don't want to give Trump a win, and 2) they want the war to go on forever, because a fair chunk of the money going to "Ukraine" gets recycled back to Washington DC.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 02, 2025 12:23 PM (uxCna)
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I've seen the claim that is was staged, same sources that promoted Zelensky. They say it because they have to say something.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:23 PM (g47mK)
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Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (+kWhq)
CIA propaganda is a hell of a drug.
When it was important for us to hate the USSR so that the military industrial complex could fund all kinds of wars (and graft) around the world, we were told to hate the USSR.
Then the USSR broke up and their was big money to be made by American companies "going in to show the Russians how to run industry in a capitalistic way", so we loved Russia.
Then once Putin is in power, he starts kicking the US oil companies and others out, which really pissed off the wrong people in the Deep State, so we were supposed to hate Russia again. George Bush had looked Putin in the eye and trusted him. Then we 180'ed on Russia.
Then Obama and HRC offer a reset button from the horrible treatment from that cowboy Bush, but Putin still doesn't let American companies back in, so the deep state decided it was time to take what they wanted, regardless of what Putin wants.
tl;dr: none of this is for domestic issues primarily, it's all about geopolitical influence, money, corruption, oil, wheat, and lindsey grahams precious minerals.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (+kWhq)
CIA propaganda is a hell of a drug.
When it was important for us to hate the USSR so that the military industrial complex could fund all kinds of wars (and graft) around the world, we were told to hate the USSR.
Then the USSR broke up and their was big money to be made by American companies "going in to show the Russians how to run industry in a capitalistic way", so we loved Russia.
Then once Putin is in power, he starts kicking the US oil companies and others out, which really pissed off the wrong people in the Deep State, so we were supposed to hate Russia again. George Bush had looked Putin in the eye and trusted him. Then we 180'ed on Russia.
Then Obama and HRC offer a reset button from the horrible treatment from that cowboy Bush, but Putin still doesn't let American companies back in, so the deep state decided it was time to take what they wanted, regardless of what Putin wants.
tl;dr: none of this is for domestic issues primarily, it's all about geopolitical influence, money, corruption, oil, wheat, and lindsey grahams precious minerals.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:23 PM (uCjyK)
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The other audience for Trump's beatdown are our fair weather allies in Europe and boy howdy did they come running. Trump has made it pretty clear that the days of blank checks from the US are over.
Europe has gotten far too comfortable with the position of looking down their noses at us while we do all the heavy lifting for them. It's way past time for US leaders to have a foreign policy that serves the interests of the American people and not Hans and Pierre. We're out.
Europe has gotten far too comfortable with the position of looking down their noses at us while we do all the heavy lifting for them. It's way past time for US leaders to have a foreign policy that serves the interests of the American people and not Hans and Pierre. We're out.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 12:23 PM (LkLld)
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Truly, Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
So many atrocities of governance and justice have been revealed in the last several years. That doesn’t necessarily mean they get repaired or remedied.
But it’s a start. The usual suspects are a bit on the defensive, and must redouble their exertions with respect to defending the indefensible. They are exposed as the clowns they always were, in lurid detail.
Can you dig it? Power to the people, right on! Groovy Baby!
So many atrocities of governance and justice have been revealed in the last several years. That doesn’t necessarily mean they get repaired or remedied.
But it’s a start. The usual suspects are a bit on the defensive, and must redouble their exertions with respect to defending the indefensible. They are exposed as the clowns they always were, in lurid detail.
Can you dig it? Power to the people, right on! Groovy Baby!
Posted by: Common Tater at March 02, 2025 12:23 PM (Tt+ej)
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Tobias Elwood of the UK called for War with Russia and Martial Law.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:11 PM (2NXcZ)
Tobias Elwood is the worst Blues Brother.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:11 PM (2NXcZ)
Tobias Elwood is the worst Blues Brother.
Posted by: naturalfake at March 02, 2025 12:23 PM (iJfKG)
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It would not surprise me to learn that Trump knew Z-man was going to step on his dick, and arranged for him to do it under the glare of the TV lights.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (8zz6B)
Seems like a weird thing to be focusing on.
It seems the question is being asked to deflect from the fact Zelensky looked like what he is.
How dare you expose him like that!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (8zz6B)
Seems like a weird thing to be focusing on.
It seems the question is being asked to deflect from the fact Zelensky looked like what he is.
How dare you expose him like that!
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:24 PM (uGsHF)
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'Nice to see that even Bill Murray figured out finally that Nixon was framed.'
He played Nixon's son-in-law in the old SNL spoofs of Nixon. Maybe that sunk in. Where did you see that?
'Nice to see that even Bill Murray figured out finally that Nixon was framed.'
He played Nixon's son-in-law in the old SNL spoofs of Nixon. Maybe that sunk in. Where did you see that?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 02, 2025 12:24 PM (3wi/L)
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It's advantageous for Zelensky to be at war because during wartime they don't have elections according to their constitution.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 02, 2025 12:24 PM (NpAcC)
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Everyone says that Putin is a thug and a dictator and a murderer. They know all of these things to be true because media outlets and commentators on the CIA payroll say so ad nauseum. Maybe he is. But he's also a Russian patriot and we've left him no other viable option. That's on us.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (ExV1e)
There are enough stories about Putin, and enough data about Russia to assume that he is in fact a thug and a dictator and a murderer. But that is more common than not.
As for him being a patriot? Sure, but so what? He could also have comported himself and Russia in a different way, and gotten what he wanted without a million dead.
My point is simple: A Pox On Both Their Houses!
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (ExV1e)
There are enough stories about Putin, and enough data about Russia to assume that he is in fact a thug and a dictator and a murderer. But that is more common than not.
As for him being a patriot? Sure, but so what? He could also have comported himself and Russia in a different way, and gotten what he wanted without a million dead.
My point is simple: A Pox On Both Their Houses!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:24 PM (mWSu4)
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55 Right before he met with Trump, Zelensky met with a number of Democratic senators who told him to reject the deal.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 02, 2025 12:23 PM (uxCna)
Those Senators included Ernst, Graham ad Cornyn
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 02, 2025 12:23 PM (uxCna)
Those Senators included Ernst, Graham ad Cornyn
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:24 PM (2NXcZ)
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Wear a fucking suit when visiting the White House.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 12:25 PM (IZEnm)
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46 8 'Seems their plan is to send British boys to Ukraine and when they're shot scream "Article 5" and then the US must pay. '
I hope someone on Trump's team will let Britain know that if they put troops into Ukraine then they're on their own (absent a US endorsed peace).
I listen to some British podcasts. It's hard to emphasize enough how behind Zelensky and Ukraine. It us not a partisan issue like it is here. The British need some firm explanation of our position on this.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (3wi/L
Draft about a million of those southeast Asian British people for the fodder.
I hope someone on Trump's team will let Britain know that if they put troops into Ukraine then they're on their own (absent a US endorsed peace).
I listen to some British podcasts. It's hard to emphasize enough how behind Zelensky and Ukraine. It us not a partisan issue like it is here. The British need some firm explanation of our position on this.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (3wi/L
Draft about a million of those southeast Asian British people for the fodder.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2025 12:25 PM (OA79/)
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https://tinyurl.com/456atbyy
David Sacks -
WHY ZELENSKY CANNOT MAKE PEACE
(Too long to post all test here - Reason Headers below)
1) He will lose power.
2) The gravy train will end.
3) He fears the ultra-nationalists.
4) He’s psychologically committed.
5) History will judge him harshly.
"In summary, Zelensky has powerful motivations to reject a deal, no matter how bad the battlefield realities get. His incentive is to continue a doomed war even if it leads to the complete destruction of Ukraine.
Instead of offering unconditional support, Zelensky’s supporters in the West should be urging him to seek a diplomatic off-ramp. Certainly they should stop catering to his unrealistic and maximalist demands.
As Solzhenitsyn said, the yes-man is your enemy, but a friend will argue with you."
David Sacks -
WHY ZELENSKY CANNOT MAKE PEACE
(Too long to post all test here - Reason Headers below)
1) He will lose power.
2) The gravy train will end.
3) He fears the ultra-nationalists.
4) He’s psychologically committed.
5) History will judge him harshly.
"In summary, Zelensky has powerful motivations to reject a deal, no matter how bad the battlefield realities get. His incentive is to continue a doomed war even if it leads to the complete destruction of Ukraine.
Instead of offering unconditional support, Zelensky’s supporters in the West should be urging him to seek a diplomatic off-ramp. Certainly they should stop catering to his unrealistic and maximalist demands.
As Solzhenitsyn said, the yes-man is your enemy, but a friend will argue with you."
Posted by: Gref at March 02, 2025 12:25 PM (aBgBM)
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Interesting alt-history. What would have happened if Wilson treated the Brits and French like Trump treated Z?
Interesting alt-history. What would have happened if Wilson treated the Brits and French like Trump treated Z?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:26 PM (dxSpM)
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Good morning all
I'm enjoying your Sunday morning posts CBD, altho I can't participate in real time.
Good write up of the amazing spectacle this week. I especially appreciated "Is it acceptable behavior among nations to use military means to consolidate one's borders? No. But it is typical and expected, and it has happened far more frequently than the other option of polite discussion and diplomatic maneuvering"
And "Zelenskyy made the rash, arrogant, ignorant and dangerous assumption that his press was reality.". Or as I would say, he got high on his own supply (of propaganda)
Gotta go
Peace
I'm enjoying your Sunday morning posts CBD, altho I can't participate in real time.
Good write up of the amazing spectacle this week. I especially appreciated "Is it acceptable behavior among nations to use military means to consolidate one's borders? No. But it is typical and expected, and it has happened far more frequently than the other option of polite discussion and diplomatic maneuvering"
And "Zelenskyy made the rash, arrogant, ignorant and dangerous assumption that his press was reality.". Or as I would say, he got high on his own supply (of propaganda)
Gotta go
Peace
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at March 02, 2025 12:26 PM (PcTds)
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Tobias Elwood is the worst Blues Brother.
Posted by: naturalfake at March 02, 2025 12:23 PM (iJfKG)
But he's still the Head of the UK Parliament's Defence Committee.
Posted by: naturalfake at March 02, 2025 12:23 PM (iJfKG)
But he's still the Head of the UK Parliament's Defence Committee.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:26 PM (2NXcZ)
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The Treasury Secretary Besset said that Z-punk asked to go to the WH to sign it.. Three times before he was supposed to sign but didn't... It was Z who planned on this...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:26 PM (VE6XX)
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Anyone who actually cares about Ukraine should have been clamoring for a peace deal 3 years ago.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (uGsHF)
I think it's very clear that none of the major players involved here -- Zelensky, European leaders, US Deep State, etc., give a shit about dead Ukrainian kids.
Or dead Russian kids for that matter.
They orchestrated an absolutely pointless war, knowing full well that many thousands of people would die, to enrich themselves.
That's the kind of people we're dealing with. Absolute horrible sociopaths. Complete disregard for human life.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (uGsHF)
I think it's very clear that none of the major players involved here -- Zelensky, European leaders, US Deep State, etc., give a shit about dead Ukrainian kids.
Or dead Russian kids for that matter.
They orchestrated an absolutely pointless war, knowing full well that many thousands of people would die, to enrich themselves.
That's the kind of people we're dealing with. Absolute horrible sociopaths. Complete disregard for human life.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:27 PM (uCjyK)
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Wear a fucking suit when visiting the White House.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 12:25 PM (IZEnm)
Z or Fetterman?
Wear a fucking suit when visiting the White House.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 12:25 PM (IZEnm)
Z or Fetterman?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:27 PM (dxSpM)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:27 PM (mWSu4)
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I want to know how/why Susan Rice is still meddling in foreign policy discussions
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:27 PM (AOsQT)
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Putin is a thug and a dictator and a murderer.
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Why because CNN says so? And the BBC?
The same people who say he’s a dictator and thug also say you are a Nazi for voting for Trump.
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Why because CNN says so? And the BBC?
The same people who say he’s a dictator and thug also say you are a Nazi for voting for Trump.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (IZEnm)
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And all free nations have a well-oiled graft and grift system that systematically steals large chunks of foreign aid and pumps it into their own corrupt systems, while returning 10% for the big guy!
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Isn't that pretty much true of all nations?
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Isn't that pretty much true of all nations?
Posted by: Eeyore at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (1bNHn)
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Those Senators included Ernst, Graham ad Cornyn
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:24 PM (2NXcZ)
And Graham was pissed because he said Z assured them all was fine and he was gonna sign...
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:24 PM (2NXcZ)
And Graham was pissed because he said Z assured them all was fine and he was gonna sign...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (VE6XX)
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Other than nuclear weapons putin can't project his military power very far from his borders. They simply don't have the equipment, manpower or the logistics to be able to go to war with Europe.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (e5NfL)
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>>I listen to some British podcasts. It's hard to emphasize enough how behind Zelensky and Ukraine. It us not a partisan issue like it is here. The British need some firm explanation of our position on this.
Why not? They aren't paying for the entertainment, we are.
They get to puffed up virtue seekers on our nickel.
Why not? They aren't paying for the entertainment, we are.
They get to puffed up virtue seekers on our nickel.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (LkLld)
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Word on the street is that Trump staged the encounter to play tough for the cameras
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT)
Any actual source for that supposition, or are you bullsh*tting...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:16 PM (mWSu4)
C'mon, CBD.
That's the "word on the street". Impeccable sourcing by its very nature!
It's also word on the street that JFK is still alive and well and running an Arby's in Santa Fe.
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT)
Any actual source for that supposition, or are you bullsh*tting...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:16 PM (mWSu4)
C'mon, CBD.
That's the "word on the street". Impeccable sourcing by its very nature!
It's also word on the street that JFK is still alive and well and running an Arby's in Santa Fe.
Posted by: naturalfake at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (iJfKG)
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'Really interesting power play going on right in public.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein'
This may be your most cogent post, Mary.
'Really interesting power play going on right in public.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein'
This may be your most cogent post, Mary.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (3wi/L)
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But he's still the Head of the UK Parliament's Defence Committee.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:26 PM (2NXcZ)
David Lammy (UK Foreign Minister) wants to start confiscating Russian assets.
That will go over well.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:26 PM (2NXcZ)
David Lammy (UK Foreign Minister) wants to start confiscating Russian assets.
That will go over well.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (mWSu4)
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72 The Treasury Secretary Besset said that Z-punk asked to go to the WH to sign it.. Three times before he was supposed to sign but didn't... It was Z who planned on this...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:26 PM (VE6XX)
Yeah, this was orchestrated by the CIA or whoever is running Z.
The original deal was supposed to be signed when JD was in Munich.
Z insisted they sign the historic deal in DC. Then at the presser right before the deal was signed, which is supposed to be mostly performative and nothing important happens, Z says Ukraine will never accept any deal that doesn't include American "security assurances" (boots on the ground), more money, and more weapons.
Then he directly addressed JD and started attacking him (there was no reason for Z to address JD), then everything went off the rails.
Seems to have been planned, but I don't think this was the intended outcome.
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:26 PM (VE6XX)
Yeah, this was orchestrated by the CIA or whoever is running Z.
The original deal was supposed to be signed when JD was in Munich.
Z insisted they sign the historic deal in DC. Then at the presser right before the deal was signed, which is supposed to be mostly performative and nothing important happens, Z says Ukraine will never accept any deal that doesn't include American "security assurances" (boots on the ground), more money, and more weapons.
Then he directly addressed JD and started attacking him (there was no reason for Z to address JD), then everything went off the rails.
Seems to have been planned, but I don't think this was the intended outcome.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:29 PM (uCjyK)
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Tobias Elwood of the UK called for War with Russia and Martial Law.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:11 PM (2NXcZ)
Don't call him by his slave name. That's Kunta Kinte Elwood.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:11 PM (2NXcZ)
Don't call him by his slave name. That's Kunta Kinte Elwood.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:29 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 12:29 PM (IZEnm)
Posted by: pookysgirl, Garfield fan at March 02, 2025 12:29 PM (Wt5PA)
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At it's core this is really very simple.
Zelensky was coached by both Democrats and EU bureaucrats to do it.
He disrespected Trump because the Democrats and EU don't respect Trump OR conservatives, or normal Americans at all.
What happened here is that Americans are SICK of supporting the freeloading EU while they smugly, arrogantly and condescendingly lecture us about what horrible people we are and how horrible our country is. And no matter how slavishly the Democrats and liberals got down on their knees, Europeans don't respect them.
We are THROUGH with this nonsense.
You don't respect us, you don't get our money. Period. We're through with this farce. If you don't respect us, then whatever deals we have with you will be based on what benefits the US gets from them, first and foremost.
You want your precious SLAVA UKRAINE forever war? Fine. Pay for it yourselves and fight yourselves.
We are done with this farce.
Zelensky was coached by both Democrats and EU bureaucrats to do it.
He disrespected Trump because the Democrats and EU don't respect Trump OR conservatives, or normal Americans at all.
What happened here is that Americans are SICK of supporting the freeloading EU while they smugly, arrogantly and condescendingly lecture us about what horrible people we are and how horrible our country is. And no matter how slavishly the Democrats and liberals got down on their knees, Europeans don't respect them.
We are THROUGH with this nonsense.
You don't respect us, you don't get our money. Period. We're through with this farce. If you don't respect us, then whatever deals we have with you will be based on what benefits the US gets from them, first and foremost.
You want your precious SLAVA UKRAINE forever war? Fine. Pay for it yourselves and fight yourselves.
We are done with this farce.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at March 02, 2025 12:30 PM (setIA)
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Which means there are now 12 more countries that we must defend. Sounds like a bad, rotten, no good deal for the USA.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at March 02, 2025 12:30 PM (17s+e)
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Whoever came up with the term "overkill," I bet he wasn't Russian.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (uGsHF)
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Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 02, 2025 12:22 PM (BpYfr)
Zombie? You sure about that?
I'd have to see the body before making any assumptions.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (uGsHF)
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Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 02, 2025 12:22 PM (BpYfr)
Zombie? You sure about that?
I'd have to see the body before making any assumptions.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:30 PM (uGsHF)
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Tobias Elwood of the UK called for War with Russia and Martial Law.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:11 PM (2NXcZ)
Now we'll find out if the T-34 or Sherman Firefly is the better tank.
Tobias Elwood of the UK called for War with Russia and Martial Law.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:11 PM (2NXcZ)
Now we'll find out if the T-34 or Sherman Firefly is the better tank.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:31 PM (dxSpM)
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They get to puffed up virtue seekers on our nickel.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (LkLld)
I was out to dinner in London last year with some Brit friends. Smart, successful folks, and very nice.
But the assumptions they made about Putin were unbelievable, and they fully expected America to do ALL of the heavy lifting to combat him. One of them was convinced that Russia's next move if they consolidate in Ukraine was into Germany and France. And that America must save the day.
Sorry...spend some European blood and treasure first.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (LkLld)
I was out to dinner in London last year with some Brit friends. Smart, successful folks, and very nice.
But the assumptions they made about Putin were unbelievable, and they fully expected America to do ALL of the heavy lifting to combat him. One of them was convinced that Russia's next move if they consolidate in Ukraine was into Germany and France. And that America must save the day.
Sorry...spend some European blood and treasure first.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:31 PM (mWSu4)
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76 I want to know how/why Susan Rice is still meddling in foreign policy discussions
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:27 PM (AOsQT)
Because she is a card carrying member of the Deep State / permanent bureaucracy / "The Blob" that runs everything in DC from the behind the scenes that pretty much every president since FDR has warned / complained / whined about.
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:27 PM (AOsQT)
Because she is a card carrying member of the Deep State / permanent bureaucracy / "The Blob" that runs everything in DC from the behind the scenes that pretty much every president since FDR has warned / complained / whined about.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:31 PM (uCjyK)
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I think it's very clear that none of the major players involved here -- Zelensky, European leaders, US Deep State, etc., give a shit about dead Ukrainian kids.
Or dead Russian kids for that matter.
They orchestrated an absolutely pointless war, knowing full well that many thousands of people would die, to enrich themselves.
That's the kind of people we're dealing with. Absolute horrible sociopaths. Complete disregard for human life.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:27 PM (uCjyK)
And Trump is trying to root them out of our government.
For that, the left and corporate media (BIRM) accuse him of being Hitler.
Or dead Russian kids for that matter.
They orchestrated an absolutely pointless war, knowing full well that many thousands of people would die, to enrich themselves.
That's the kind of people we're dealing with. Absolute horrible sociopaths. Complete disregard for human life.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:27 PM (uCjyK)
And Trump is trying to root them out of our government.
For that, the left and corporate media (BIRM) accuse him of being Hitler.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (uGsHF)
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He could also have comported himself and Russia in a different way, and gotten what he wanted without a million dead.
Precisely how could he have comported himself differently and still achieved his goals? NATO had already declared that they were hell-bent for leather on the idea of Ukraine becoming part of NATO. Negotiation requires both sides to be at least a little reasonable.
Precisely how could he have comported himself differently and still achieved his goals? NATO had already declared that they were hell-bent for leather on the idea of Ukraine becoming part of NATO. Negotiation requires both sides to be at least a little reasonable.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (ExV1e)
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Europe has gotten far too comfortable with the position of looking down their noses at us while we do all the heavy lifting for them.
German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock apparently got on TV, and told Germans to prepare for war with Russia.
Insane.
Somebody posted a map on X that allegedly shows the percentage of people polled saying that they would fight for their countries.
I don't know the source of the poll, but Turkey and Finland were around 70%. Clocking in at 45-60% were Russia, Ukraine, Poland, and one of the Baltics.
Just about everyone else was much less - Germany was at 19%.
Since the EU economies are moribund due to overregulation and "Net Zero", any increases in military spending are going to have to come out of the Europeans precious social welfare programs.
Surely the Germans will agree to take shorter vacations to provide more money to defend the Fatherland. /s
German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock apparently got on TV, and told Germans to prepare for war with Russia.
Insane.
Somebody posted a map on X that allegedly shows the percentage of people polled saying that they would fight for their countries.
I don't know the source of the poll, but Turkey and Finland were around 70%. Clocking in at 45-60% were Russia, Ukraine, Poland, and one of the Baltics.
Just about everyone else was much less - Germany was at 19%.
Since the EU economies are moribund due to overregulation and "Net Zero", any increases in military spending are going to have to come out of the Europeans precious social welfare programs.
Surely the Germans will agree to take shorter vacations to provide more money to defend the Fatherland. /s
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (uxCna)
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Not trying to slob Zelenskyy's knob here, but as far as NATO promising not to expand, but doing it anyways - well thats a two-way street yaknow. Russia has likewise made promises and broken them many many times. It's a chicken-and-the-egg type of situation.
That being said, The Russian military has lost all pretense of competency. We're now 3 years into a 3 day "Special Military Operation" and even with western weapons in relatively small numbers, the Russians haven't been able to roll through Kiev or Odessa.
That being said, The Russian military has lost all pretense of competency. We're now 3 years into a 3 day "Special Military Operation" and even with western weapons in relatively small numbers, the Russians haven't been able to roll through Kiev or Odessa.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (WYStd)
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I’m glad this happened, zelensky was suckering the US into a stupid mining deal for endless foreign aid.
Best to just have a clean break from Ukraine, let Europe rebuild it. I don’t want a single American dollar going towards it ever again.
Best to just have a clean break from Ukraine, let Europe rebuild it. I don’t want a single American dollar going towards it ever again.
Posted by: Maroon at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (W94jV)
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83 51
'Really interesting power play going on right in public.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein'
This may be your most cogent post, Mary.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (3wi/L)
I helped!
'Really interesting power play going on right in public.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein'
This may be your most cogent post, Mary.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (3wi/L)
I helped!
Posted by: Grammarly at March 02, 2025 12:33 PM (PiwSw)
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What struck me as well, we were coming off one of the very worst debacles in US history - the Afghanistan withdrawal, and it seemed like just a week or two later - seemed like - it was like a light switch had been thrown.
Get ready for yet another Forever War. Billions of $$$ spent, soldiers lives ruined. Again. After the wonderful victories in Iraq and elsewhere. I couldn’t believe it.
Our Elites simultaneously absolutely hate the military, classify them as dangerous, screw it up with delusional fairy tale “social issues” and then proceed to deploy them around the globe.
While our own borders are wide open, with millions pouring across, and in recent years being imported and sprinkled around the country to destabilize communities. This is enemy action, no way to sugar coat it.
I don’t know who to hate, but we don’t hate them enough, now that’s a fact.
Get ready for yet another Forever War. Billions of $$$ spent, soldiers lives ruined. Again. After the wonderful victories in Iraq and elsewhere. I couldn’t believe it.
Our Elites simultaneously absolutely hate the military, classify them as dangerous, screw it up with delusional fairy tale “social issues” and then proceed to deploy them around the globe.
While our own borders are wide open, with millions pouring across, and in recent years being imported and sprinkled around the country to destabilize communities. This is enemy action, no way to sugar coat it.
I don’t know who to hate, but we don’t hate them enough, now that’s a fact.
Posted by: Common Tater at March 02, 2025 12:33 PM (fij89)
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90 Which means there are now 12 more countries that we must defend. Sounds like a bad, rotten, no good deal for the USA.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at March 02, 2025 12:30 PM (17s+e)
Yeah, no one asked the US middle class how they felt about agreeing to die for the territorial integrity of -- checks notes -- Albania.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at March 02, 2025 12:30 PM (17s+e)
Yeah, no one asked the US middle class how they felt about agreeing to die for the territorial integrity of -- checks notes -- Albania.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:33 PM (uCjyK)
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*** Zombie Rasputin has entered the chat ***
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 02, 2025 12:22 PM (BpYfr)
"Overkill" was almost not enough to put paid to Rasputin
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 02, 2025 12:22 PM (BpYfr)
"Overkill" was almost not enough to put paid to Rasputin
Posted by: Kindltot at March 02, 2025 12:33 PM (D7oie)
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94 76 I want to know how/why Susan Rice is still meddling in foreign policy discussions
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:27 PM (AOsQT)
Because she is a card carrying member of the Deep State / permanent bureaucracy / "The Blob" that runs everything in DC from the behind the scenes that pretty much every president since FDR has warned / complained / whined about.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:31 PM (uCjyK)
Trump should publically thank all of them for their help in getting Z to show his true colors and invite them to lunch, there are a lot of leftovers!
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:27 PM (AOsQT)
Because she is a card carrying member of the Deep State / permanent bureaucracy / "The Blob" that runs everything in DC from the behind the scenes that pretty much every president since FDR has warned / complained / whined about.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:31 PM (uCjyK)
Trump should publically thank all of them for their help in getting Z to show his true colors and invite them to lunch, there are a lot of leftovers!
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2025 12:34 PM (OA79/)
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Little Z-man is doing everything possible to push me into the pro Russia/Putin camp. I know I'm not alone in that.
Well played little Z-man. Well Played.
Well played little Z-man. Well Played.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at March 02, 2025 12:34 PM (17s+e)
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>It's also word on the street that JFK is still alive and well and running an Arby's in Santa Fe.
Posted by: naturalfake
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And the Daily Mail is reviving 'Jim Morrison is alive and well'
https://tinyurl.com/yhtcpv84
Posted by: naturalfake
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And the Daily Mail is reviving 'Jim Morrison is alive and well'
https://tinyurl.com/yhtcpv84
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:34 PM (AOsQT)
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And Graham was pissed because he said Z assured them all was fine and he was gonna sign...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (VE6XX)
He's Sessions with a really big anus.
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (VE6XX)
He's Sessions with a really big anus.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:34 PM (2NXcZ)
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The people that argued war is good for nothing in Vietnam, cheered on jihadis murdering Americans in Iraq, and called the Taliban freedom fighters are now arguing that if we don't give election cancelling, journalist murdering, despot Zelensky unlimited American lives and treasures we are "giving in to tyranny"
You know...I think just maybe they don't believe a damn word that comes out of their mouth.
You know...I think just maybe they don't believe a damn word that comes out of their mouth.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 12:34 PM (t0Rmr)
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David Lammy (UK Foreign Minister) wants to start confiscating Russian assets.
That will go over well.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (mWSu4)
Further antagonizing someone Trump is trying to get to the peace table.
This is kind of breathtaking.
That will go over well.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:28 PM (mWSu4)
Further antagonizing someone Trump is trying to get to the peace table.
This is kind of breathtaking.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 12:34 PM (bss/y)
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Z Boy just acted like a democrat. He was pantsed in front of the whole world and instead of apologizing he has doubled down, as democrats always do. They can never admit they are wrong and are total assholes.
Posted by: Wet Brains Who Vote democrat at March 02, 2025 12:35 PM (R/m4+)
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I son't think the Russian will go after Zelensky if he retires soon. I think only if he stays around. So the question becomes, who will be the new leader. The UK (MI6 , MI5 and Foreign Office) have been grooming current Ukranian ambassador to the Uk (Zaluzhnyy, in recent past a Ukrnian COmmander In CHief of the Armed forces). However, he said some very problematic things. I would go as far as to say he is exactly the kind of individual that Russian government would term as Ukranian fascist. But you be the judge : "Perhaps the most difficult and important component is the readiness of society, based on honest and transparent communication between the government and the people. Society must agree to temporarily give up a range of freedoms for the sake of survival. Modern wars, unfortunately, are total. They require the efforts not only of the army but also of society as a whole." July 23, 2024.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:35 PM (g47mK)
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Time to end NATO. Should have ended with the reunification of Germany
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:35 PM (2NXcZ)
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It would not surprise me to learn that Trump knew Z-man was going to step on his dick, and arranged for him to do it under the glare of the TV lights.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (8zz6B)
I would guess that Trump knew that was possible, but also hoped that Zelensky would be smart enough to see the risk and avoid it. But you never know for sure what anyone will do until they do it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 02, 2025 12:21 PM (8zz6B)
I would guess that Trump knew that was possible, but also hoped that Zelensky would be smart enough to see the risk and avoid it. But you never know for sure what anyone will do until they do it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 12:35 PM (SSRw1)
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Fun fact about Zelenskyy I learned today.
Zelenskyy was an 'entertainer' before being elected president of Ukraine.
The Best 5 Clips From Zelensky’s Past Life As An Entertainer
https://tinyurl.com/swj9chz4
Zelenskyy may have already made the deal for minerals with the UK long before the meeting with Trump.
Lindey Graham needs to be voted out!!1 I don't care who side he is on. He seems to think he can hide in plain sight... Maybe he gets drunk and goes on rants?
Zelenskyy was an 'entertainer' before being elected president of Ukraine.
The Best 5 Clips From Zelensky’s Past Life As An Entertainer
https://tinyurl.com/swj9chz4
Zelenskyy may have already made the deal for minerals with the UK long before the meeting with Trump.
Lindey Graham needs to be voted out!!1 I don't care who side he is on. He seems to think he can hide in plain sight... Maybe he gets drunk and goes on rants?
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 12:36 PM (w4nzS)
Posted by: DaveA at March 02, 2025 12:36 PM (FhXTo)
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Everyone says that Putin is a thug and a dictator and a murderer. They know all of these things to be true because media outlets and commentators on the CIA payroll say so ad nauseum. Maybe he is. But he's also a Russian patriot and we've left him no other viable option. That's on us.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (ExV1e)
There are any number of people I listen to, because I generally appreciate their views on things, but it gets awfully tiresome hearing the preamble they must give: "Of course Putin is a thug and a dictator, but...."
Trudeau isn't a thug and a dictator? Starmer isn't? Macaroni? Biden? Obama? The Bushies? Newsome? Frau Whitmer? Dick-sucking Polis? And on and on and on?
Enough.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (ExV1e)
There are any number of people I listen to, because I generally appreciate their views on things, but it gets awfully tiresome hearing the preamble they must give: "Of course Putin is a thug and a dictator, but...."
Trudeau isn't a thug and a dictator? Starmer isn't? Macaroni? Biden? Obama? The Bushies? Newsome? Frau Whitmer? Dick-sucking Polis? And on and on and on?
Enough.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:36 PM (uGsHF)
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Zelensky and Putin are both thugs and dictators, but Putin has nuclear weapons.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 02, 2025 12:36 PM (NpAcC)
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So, hold on, should i ditch the keffiyeh and go blue and yellow now? Geez, people make up your minds...
Posted by: Confused Columbia student activist at March 02, 2025 12:37 PM (PiwSw)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:37 PM (dxSpM)
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The breakup of NATO has been a long time coming and should have happened after the Warsaw Pact dissolved.
We need force redeployment to SE Asia. The euros know how to defend their own countries. They tell us how to defend their countries all the time.
We need force redeployment to SE Asia. The euros know how to defend their own countries. They tell us how to defend their countries all the time.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at March 02, 2025 12:37 PM (17s+e)
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I don’t know who to hate, but we don’t hate them enough, now that’s a fact.
Posted by: Common Tater at March 02, 2025 12:33 PM (fij89)
I think you nailed it. I came to age during the Afghan invasion and Iraq war. I didn't serve in the military, but quite a few of my friends did.
War is a very unnatural thing for people. Killing and being constantly afraid of being killed do terrible things to a persons psyche.
We know that sometimes, killing is necessary. In self defense, for example. Doesn't make it any easier.
No country should ever force their 18 year old kids to go through that unless every other option has been exhausted.
But you know what makes it a lot harder? Knowing you killed someone because you were ordered to based on a lie, and that it was all for nothing.
But it's okay, the people in the military are a bunch of non-people racist inbred hicks anyways, and war is just another arrow in the quiver of getting intergenerational wealth through corruption.
I don’t know who to hate, but we don’t hate them enough, now that’s a fact.
Posted by: Common Tater at March 02, 2025 12:33 PM (fij89)
I think you nailed it. I came to age during the Afghan invasion and Iraq war. I didn't serve in the military, but quite a few of my friends did.
War is a very unnatural thing for people. Killing and being constantly afraid of being killed do terrible things to a persons psyche.
We know that sometimes, killing is necessary. In self defense, for example. Doesn't make it any easier.
No country should ever force their 18 year old kids to go through that unless every other option has been exhausted.
But you know what makes it a lot harder? Knowing you killed someone because you were ordered to based on a lie, and that it was all for nothing.
But it's okay, the people in the military are a bunch of non-people racist inbred hicks anyways, and war is just another arrow in the quiver of getting intergenerational wealth through corruption.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:38 PM (uCjyK)
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Don't call him by his slave name. That's Kunta Kinte Elwood.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:29 PM (ExV1e)
Come on he's a pasty white ginger
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:29 PM (ExV1e)
Come on he's a pasty white ginger
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:38 PM (2NXcZ)
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13 Wonder how much his European enablers will be willing to pony up?
Probably nowhere near a couple hundred billion dollars.
sux2bu Z-man.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 02, 2025 12:11 PM (Q4IgG)
The titular Chief of NATO publicly said yesterday, in-effect, that Europe by itself cannot sustain Ukraine's armament needs, and little z needs to apologize to Trump and continue to get US support. Is Rutte the initial designated European front-man for getting little z to straighten-up and fly-right?
https://tinyurl.com/4apfn3yk
Probably nowhere near a couple hundred billion dollars.
sux2bu Z-man.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 02, 2025 12:11 PM (Q4IgG)
The titular Chief of NATO publicly said yesterday, in-effect, that Europe by itself cannot sustain Ukraine's armament needs, and little z needs to apologize to Trump and continue to get US support. Is Rutte the initial designated European front-man for getting little z to straighten-up and fly-right?
https://tinyurl.com/4apfn3yk
Posted by: Gref at March 02, 2025 12:38 PM (aBgBM)
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Congress, as a whole has a vested interest in seeing the Ukraine war grift continue. If Z-man met with anyone, I'm betting it was a "bi-partisan" group that encouraged him to push Trump.
As I mentioned upthread, if Z-man also met with Obama's people then that particular issue needs immediate attention.
Either way, it was a PR disaster for the Democrats and Little-Z.
As I mentioned upthread, if Z-man also met with Obama's people then that particular issue needs immediate attention.
Either way, it was a PR disaster for the Democrats and Little-Z.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 02, 2025 12:39 PM (Q4IgG)
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Of course Western Europe hasn't seen a real hero since 1945, and their ideas of strength and heroism are suspect,
_____________________
Their ideas of strength and heroism are shared by Dylan Mulvaney.
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Their ideas of strength and heroism are shared by Dylan Mulvaney.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:39 PM (YqDXo)
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Did you see where Norway is refusing to fill up an American navy ship because of the zelensky blownup?
Fuck Europe, I think every US soldier over there needs to be brought home. Best of luck
Fuck Europe, I think every US soldier over there needs to be brought home. Best of luck
Posted by: Maroon at March 02, 2025 12:39 PM (W94jV)
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Remind me again have Liz Cheney’s kids signed up to fight? How about Vindman’s kids? Obama’s? David French’s?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 12:39 PM (IZEnm)
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Vance to Zelenskyy (paraphrased):
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way."
(h.t. Col. N. Jessup)
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way."
(h.t. Col. N. Jessup)
Posted by: muldoon at March 02, 2025 12:39 PM (/iMjX)
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The titular Chief of NATO publicly said yesterday, in-effect, that Europe by itself cannot sustain Ukraine's armament needs, and little z needs to apologize to Trump and continue to get US support. Is Rutte the initial designated European front-man for getting little z to straighten-up and fly-right?
https://tinyurl.com/4apfn3yk
Posted by: Gref at March 02, 2025 12:38 PM (aBgBM)
Translation: the graft requirements to maintain the Ukraine Boondoggle cannot be maintained by Europe alone.
https://tinyurl.com/4apfn3yk
Posted by: Gref at March 02, 2025 12:38 PM (aBgBM)
Translation: the graft requirements to maintain the Ukraine Boondoggle cannot be maintained by Europe alone.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 12:40 PM (bss/y)
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Well said, CBD!!!
Posted by: ALH, Sister Golden Hair at March 02, 2025 12:40 PM (QUkJd)
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Posted by: Gref at March 02, 2025 12:38 PM (aBgBM)
Rutte cannot stop the EU leaders from sending troops to be the trip wire.
Rutte cannot stop the EU leaders from sending troops to be the trip wire.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:40 PM (2NXcZ)
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Ponder the breathtaking arrogance of that greasy little shit, obviously considering himself to Trump's peer.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:40 PM (YqDXo)
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126 Did you see where Norway is refusing to fill up an American navy ship because of the zelensky blownup?
Fuck Europe, I think every US soldier over there needs to be brought home. Best of luck
Posted by: Maroon at March 02, 2025 12:39 PM (W94jV)
The Norwegian Govt. Nixed that and said it doesn't represent them.. In other words please don't throw us in the briar patch
Fuck Europe, I think every US soldier over there needs to be brought home. Best of luck
Posted by: Maroon at March 02, 2025 12:39 PM (W94jV)
The Norwegian Govt. Nixed that and said it doesn't represent them.. In other words please don't throw us in the briar patch
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:40 PM (VE6XX)
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Rational summation, a good read. Now, if the Ukes take it to heart and either wake up or dump Zelensky.
The meeting with Starmer and Zelensky were wakeup calls to Europe and its position with us. Their rallying around Zelensky indicates that it's still on voicemail and not yet acknowledged.
The meeting with Starmer and Zelensky were wakeup calls to Europe and its position with us. Their rallying around Zelensky indicates that it's still on voicemail and not yet acknowledged.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 12:40 PM (IkhKe)
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The elitists are NOT taking this Trump administration seriously. It is time to bring the hammer down .
We need to get busy and stay busy everyday just like the run up to the election. It is the only way we can defeat the commies and globalists and Muslims and DEIers and illegals and grifters
We need to get busy and stay busy everyday just like the run up to the election. It is the only way we can defeat the commies and globalists and Muslims and DEIers and illegals and grifters
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (w4nzS)
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Further antagonizing someone Trump is trying to get to the peace table.
This is kind of breathtaking.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 12:34 PM (bss/y)
The war must go on, despite what Trump says! There are long term plans at play here, and this Ukrainian situation took many years of planning.
Not letting the stupid Orange Man get int he way. There are billions, if not trillions of dollars at stake here.
This is kind of breathtaking.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 12:34 PM (bss/y)
The war must go on, despite what Trump says! There are long term plans at play here, and this Ukrainian situation took many years of planning.
Not letting the stupid Orange Man get int he way. There are billions, if not trillions of dollars at stake here.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (uCjyK)
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We're now 3 years into a 3 day "Special Military Operation" and even with western weapons in relatively small numbers, the Russians haven't been able to roll through Kiev or Odessa.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (WYStd)
What if, just possibly, Russia already controls all the territory they want to control? What if Russia isn't pushing further west because they don't want to integrate non-Russians into the country and have an issue. What if Russia chooses to not act in the manner that western strategists are convinced they should.
A lot of people are betting an awful lot that they can read Putin's mind. The same people who've said that he wouldn't invade, that he'd back down after they tore up the 2022 agreement, that Russian forces would fall to superior western equipment, that their economy was in tatters, the Putin was widely hated, etc. etc. etc.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (WYStd)
What if, just possibly, Russia already controls all the territory they want to control? What if Russia isn't pushing further west because they don't want to integrate non-Russians into the country and have an issue. What if Russia chooses to not act in the manner that western strategists are convinced they should.
A lot of people are betting an awful lot that they can read Putin's mind. The same people who've said that he wouldn't invade, that he'd back down after they tore up the 2022 agreement, that Russian forces would fall to superior western equipment, that their economy was in tatters, the Putin was widely hated, etc. etc. etc.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (ExV1e)
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Excellent summation, CBD. A plague on both houses indeed.
The Nordstream repair is after a sturdy cease-fire.
Note: the casualties and exiles of both Ukraine and Russia will have lingering adverse effects in both countries. Ukraine is essentially mission killed.
What would really stop the fighting is withdrawing US intel, including targeting and firing long range missiles, Patriot reloads, and Starlink comms from Ukraine
The Nordstream repair is after a sturdy cease-fire.
Note: the casualties and exiles of both Ukraine and Russia will have lingering adverse effects in both countries. Ukraine is essentially mission killed.
What would really stop the fighting is withdrawing US intel, including targeting and firing long range missiles, Patriot reloads, and Starlink comms from Ukraine
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (dxSpM)
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option of polite discussion and diplomatic maneuvering.
We should've sent U-hauls and DIY become a realtor kits to Russia in the 90s as part of the "soft landing".
We should've sent U-hauls and DIY become a realtor kits to Russia in the 90s as part of the "soft landing".
Posted by: DaveA at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (FhXTo)
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when you watch the video, if you listen very closely when Z starts getting mouthy, you can hear the ghost of Ngo Dinh Diem shouting "Shut up! Don't be stupid!"
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (IQhz0)
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>>But the assumptions they made about Putin were unbelievable, and they fully expected America to do ALL of the heavy lifting to combat him. One of them was convinced that Russia's next move if they consolidate in Ukraine was into Germany and France. And that America must save the day.
In my experience most Europeans from all walks of life look at Americans as unsophisticated, boorish and somewhat stupid children while by the very nature of being European they are superior. We are the blunt object whereas they are the scalpel.
They'd prefer if we stayed here and kept our mouths shut and send checks until they need our help and then we can send our military to protect them. And more checks.
In my experience most Europeans from all walks of life look at Americans as unsophisticated, boorish and somewhat stupid children while by the very nature of being European they are superior. We are the blunt object whereas they are the scalpel.
They'd prefer if we stayed here and kept our mouths shut and send checks until they need our help and then we can send our military to protect them. And more checks.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (LkLld)
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As for Rutte, I don't want Euro trash commanding our military. Rutte is WEF, never forget that.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (2NXcZ)
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Did you see where Norway is refusing to fill up an American navy ship because of the zelensky blownup?
One company, who was overruled by the Norwegian defense minister and told to supply the needed diesel.
One company, who was overruled by the Norwegian defense minister and told to supply the needed diesel.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 02, 2025 12:42 PM (uxCna)
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"David Lammy (UK Foreign Minister) wants to start confiscating Russian assets. That will go over well."
I'd like a path to USA confiscating China assets in the US, as repayment for spreading Covid, and other bad acts. (spy balloons, stealing our secret stuff, various espionage). Could start with all the farm ground next to military bases China has bought.
I'd like a path to USA confiscating China assets in the US, as repayment for spreading Covid, and other bad acts. (spy balloons, stealing our secret stuff, various espionage). Could start with all the farm ground next to military bases China has bought.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 02, 2025 12:42 PM (Cus5s)
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Did you see where Norway is refusing to fill up an American navy ship because of the zelensky blownup?
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Norway's been eating too much lutefisk.
Did you see where Norway is refusing to fill up an American navy ship because of the zelensky blownup?
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Norway's been eating too much lutefisk.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:42 PM (g47mK)
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I was especially amused when that ambulatory turd Keir Starmer (go ahead, Starmer, try to extradite me for saying that) said that the UK would stand with Ukraine.
Srsly? That probably was cold comfort to Zelensky. He was hoping that Monaco and Lichtenstein would throw their panties into the ring too.
Srsly? That probably was cold comfort to Zelensky. He was hoping that Monaco and Lichtenstein would throw their panties into the ring too.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:43 PM (YqDXo)
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>>Does anyone know how to say in Ukrainian, "When you are in somebody else's house; don't piss on the carpet?"
From what I've seen Z had shrugged off signing the negotiated mineral deal twice -- once, when Bessent visited him in Ukraine, and again, when he met with Rubio in Munich. He could have signed it in Ukraine after that, but insisted he wanted to do it in person in DC. After all those games, he reneged a third time, attempting to change the terms in from of the press.
Regardless of if this was his idea or that of some EU/Obama supporters, he wore out his welcome.
Trump giving in to that would have been a huge insult to the American taxpayers who did not vote for any of this Ukraine sh#t!
GFY, dude.
From what I've seen Z had shrugged off signing the negotiated mineral deal twice -- once, when Bessent visited him in Ukraine, and again, when he met with Rubio in Munich. He could have signed it in Ukraine after that, but insisted he wanted to do it in person in DC. After all those games, he reneged a third time, attempting to change the terms in from of the press.
Regardless of if this was his idea or that of some EU/Obama supporters, he wore out his welcome.
Trump giving in to that would have been a huge insult to the American taxpayers who did not vote for any of this Ukraine sh#t!
GFY, dude.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2025 12:43 PM (Cki93)
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That being said, The Russian military has lost all pretense of competency. We're now 3 years into a 3 day "Special Military Operation" and even with western weapons in relatively small numbers, the Russians haven't been able to roll through Kiev or Odessa.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (WYStd)
Stop reading your corporate media sources.
Russia does exactly what it has wanted, and yeah, it took longer than they thought initially, because they underestimated how strong the resistance would be, due to American weapons being brought to the front as quickly as they were.
But essentially, within weeks Russia had everything they wanted. They never wanted Kiev. They really didn't want to kill too many Ukrainians (other than the real Nazis).
The Russian military is stronger now than it's been since 1991. And has more than a few weapons now, that would wipe out many of our "advanced" weaponry, if they chose to.
They've been sitting there, waiting for us to come to our senses, while having to deal with the mostly futile Ukrainian offenses over the last couple years.
It's the American military that is suspect today, not Russia's.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (WYStd)
Stop reading your corporate media sources.
Russia does exactly what it has wanted, and yeah, it took longer than they thought initially, because they underestimated how strong the resistance would be, due to American weapons being brought to the front as quickly as they were.
But essentially, within weeks Russia had everything they wanted. They never wanted Kiev. They really didn't want to kill too many Ukrainians (other than the real Nazis).
The Russian military is stronger now than it's been since 1991. And has more than a few weapons now, that would wipe out many of our "advanced" weaponry, if they chose to.
They've been sitting there, waiting for us to come to our senses, while having to deal with the mostly futile Ukrainian offenses over the last couple years.
It's the American military that is suspect today, not Russia's.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:43 PM (81i8c)
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Did you see where Norway is refusing to fill up an American navy ship because of the zelensky blownup?
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There's been an outbreak of delusion among various pissant nations. They seem to think that they matter.
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There's been an outbreak of delusion among various pissant nations. They seem to think that they matter.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:44 PM (YqDXo)
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What would really stop the fighting is withdrawing US intel, including targeting and firing long range missiles, Patriot reloads, and Starlink comms from Ukraine
Ukraine had been conducting a long-range drone campaign against Russian oil refineries.
There has been less of that in recent weeks, probably because we are no longer supplying Ukraine with targeting information.
Ukraine had been conducting a long-range drone campaign against Russian oil refineries.
There has been less of that in recent weeks, probably because we are no longer supplying Ukraine with targeting information.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 02, 2025 12:44 PM (uxCna)
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Maybe we can team up with russia to destroy the anti-democratic forces in europe.
Noiw that would be a headline.
Noiw that would be a headline.
Posted by: kestrel.987 at March 02, 2025 12:44 PM (yee3X)
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Don't call him by his slave name. That's Kunta Kinte Elwood.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:29 PM (ExV1e)
Come on he's a pasty white ginger
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:38 PM (2NXcZ)
Not my fault his parents named him Toby.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:29 PM (ExV1e)
Come on he's a pasty white ginger
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:38 PM (2NXcZ)
Not my fault his parents named him Toby.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:44 PM (ExV1e)
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Translation: the graft requirements to maintain the Ukraine Boondoggle cannot be maintained by Europe alone.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 12:40 PM (bss/y)
I suspect if we ever see the *real* books, we'll find out that most of the graft that flows internationally somehow has it's origins in the pockets of the US middle class.
So yes, pulling US funding means a lot of politicians all over Europe may have to pull their kids out of their swiss boarding schools.
Which was not part of the plan!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 12:40 PM (bss/y)
I suspect if we ever see the *real* books, we'll find out that most of the graft that flows internationally somehow has it's origins in the pockets of the US middle class.
So yes, pulling US funding means a lot of politicians all over Europe may have to pull their kids out of their swiss boarding schools.
Which was not part of the plan!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:44 PM (uCjyK)
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I hate Norwegian hippies.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at March 02, 2025 12:44 PM (Dm8we)
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 02, 2025 12:44 PM (mT+6a)
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I used to have a different nic, you get it. Spot on.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 02, 2025 12:45 PM (mB6WH)
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Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (w4nzS)
Pull the 101st out of Poland. Close to Ukraine and a "tripwire". That will help. If it doesn't remove all our shit from Germany, lot's of money attached to that.
Pull the 101st out of Poland. Close to Ukraine and a "tripwire". That will help. If it doesn't remove all our shit from Germany, lot's of money attached to that.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:45 PM (2NXcZ)
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Always follow the money. War is good for business for the left. More war means more moneys end of war means no more money, as simple as that.
Lil Z is a multi billionaire. But I guess it’s not enough and wants to keep it going.
Lil Z is a multi billionaire. But I guess it’s not enough and wants to keep it going.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 12:45 PM (IZEnm)
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Nice to see that even Bill Murray figured out finally that Nixon was framed.
Posted by: Auspex
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Murry has always been a little ...different.
Posted by: Auspex
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Murry has always been a little ...different.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 12:45 PM (IkhKe)
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I hope the mineral deal never goes through, I want Trump to have a good reason to walk away from all of it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 12:45 PM (SSRw1)
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What would it take for the US to get out of NATO?
One year notice. Article 13 of the North Atlantic treaty.
One year notice. Article 13 of the North Atlantic treaty.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 02, 2025 12:46 PM (uxCna)
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17 Zelensky and Putin are both thugs and dictators, but Putin has nuclear weapons.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 02, 2025 12:36 PM (NpAcC)
Russian President Vladimir Putin said his nation was ready to work with U.S. companies to secure rare raw minerals within the nation’s borders in hopes of ending the conflict in Ukraine after three years of war.
“It is important to emphasize that Russia possesses significantly — I want to stress this — significantly larger resources of this kind than Ukraine. Russia is one of the uncontested leaders when it comes to rare and rare-earth metal reserves,” Putin told reporters during a Monday interview aired on state TV, according to a transcript provided by the Kremlin.
-points finger at Zelenskyy Ha Ha
Posted by: redridinghood at March 02, 2025 12:36 PM (NpAcC)
Russian President Vladimir Putin said his nation was ready to work with U.S. companies to secure rare raw minerals within the nation’s borders in hopes of ending the conflict in Ukraine after three years of war.
“It is important to emphasize that Russia possesses significantly — I want to stress this — significantly larger resources of this kind than Ukraine. Russia is one of the uncontested leaders when it comes to rare and rare-earth metal reserves,” Putin told reporters during a Monday interview aired on state TV, according to a transcript provided by the Kremlin.
-points finger at Zelenskyy Ha Ha
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 12:46 PM (w4nzS)
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161 I hope the mineral deal never goes through, I want Trump to have a good reason to walk away from all of it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 12:45 PM (SSRw1)
Yep.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 12:45 PM (SSRw1)
Yep.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:46 PM (2NXcZ)
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son't think the Russian will go after Zelensky if he retires soon. I think only if he stays around. So the question becomes, who will be the new leader
Oleksiy Arestovych, Lil Z's chief of staff and closest ally until 2023* is a potential choice if the Ukes are looking for a compromise candidate. He was friendly with the US and Europe and his argument is "Zelensky screwed up this war and made us lose is a corrupt asshole and should be arrested" could be a face saving exercise for everyone.
*when he was arrested for telling the truth about Ukraine hitting one of its apartment buildings with a missile
Oleksiy Arestovych, Lil Z's chief of staff and closest ally until 2023* is a potential choice if the Ukes are looking for a compromise candidate. He was friendly with the US and Europe and his argument is "Zelensky screwed up this war and made us lose is a corrupt asshole and should be arrested" could be a face saving exercise for everyone.
*when he was arrested for telling the truth about Ukraine hitting one of its apartment buildings with a missile
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 12:46 PM (t0Rmr)
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Nixon courted China to be a card he could play against the Soviets
I think Trump wants to use Russia against China in the same way
also, Trump sees Ukraine and NATO as a bottomless hole we have been throwing money into- money we need to balance the books at home
I realize none of this is original thinking
I think Trump wants to use Russia against China in the same way
also, Trump sees Ukraine and NATO as a bottomless hole we have been throwing money into- money we need to balance the books at home
I realize none of this is original thinking
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:46 PM (AOsQT)
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One of them was convinced that Russia's next move if they consolidate in Ukraine was into Germany and France. And that America must save the day.
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Uh ... why would we do that again?
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Uh ... why would we do that again?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:46 PM (YqDXo)
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What if, just possibly, Russia already controls all the territory they want to control? What if Russia isn't pushing further west because they don't want to integrate non-Russians into the country and have an issue. What if Russia chooses to not act in the manner that western strategists are convinced they should.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (ExV1e)
But Nikki Haley and Lindsay Graham and Mustache Bolton says they are!
Who are we to argue with those stalwart conservatives.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (ExV1e)
But Nikki Haley and Lindsay Graham and Mustache Bolton says they are!
Who are we to argue with those stalwart conservatives.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:46 PM (81i8c)
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He played Nixon's son-in-law in the old SNL spoofs of Nixon. Maybe that sunk in. Where did you see that?
Posted by: Dr. Claw
Joe Rogan
Posted by: Dr. Claw
Joe Rogan
Posted by: Auspex at March 02, 2025 12:47 PM (j4U/Z)
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For those of you looking for the Bill Murray interview where he trashes Woodward for lying about Nixon:
https://tinyurl.com/p7e8cb8d
https://tinyurl.com/p7e8cb8d
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 12:47 PM (T3vgT)
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One year notice. Article 13 of the North Atlantic treaty.
Posted by: The ARC
Arc of History! at March 02, 2025 12:46 PM (uxCna)
So let's do it and start pulling money and supplies.
Posted by: The ARC
Arc of History! at March 02, 2025 12:46 PM (uxCna)
So let's do it and start pulling money and supplies.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:47 PM (2NXcZ)
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I'd like a path to USA confiscating China assets in the US, as repayment for spreading Covid, and other bad acts.
AND British assets for anyone spied on under five eyes.
I'd like a path to USA confiscating China assets in the US, as repayment for spreading Covid, and other bad acts.
AND British assets for anyone spied on under five eyes.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 12:47 PM (t0Rmr)
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Vance to Zelenskyy (paraphrased):
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way."
(h.t. Col. N. Jessup)
Posted by: muldoon at March 02, 2025 12:39 PM (/iMjX)
I’ve maintained for quite some time now that Jessup was the good guy in that movie and the Cruise character was just a Harvard mouth in a faggoty white uniform
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way."
(h.t. Col. N. Jessup)
Posted by: muldoon at March 02, 2025 12:39 PM (/iMjX)
I’ve maintained for quite some time now that Jessup was the good guy in that movie and the Cruise character was just a Harvard mouth in a faggoty white uniform
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:47 PM (O1oUp)
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Lil Z is a multi billionaire. But I guess it’s not enough and wants to keep it going.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 12:45 PM (IZEnm)
He has enemies. Right now he has protection as the left's version of Audie Murphy.
No war, he is no longer of use. He is no longer of use, he is not worthy of protection.
Probably even money on whether Putin or the people he has knifed in Ukraine get him first.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 12:45 PM (IZEnm)
He has enemies. Right now he has protection as the left's version of Audie Murphy.
No war, he is no longer of use. He is no longer of use, he is not worthy of protection.
Probably even money on whether Putin or the people he has knifed in Ukraine get him first.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 12:48 PM (bss/y)
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What if, just possibly, Russia already controls all the territory they want to control?
Bingo. Putin doesn't want any Ukrainian shithole cities to rule over, maintain and have to deal with "insurgents". He has what he wants and now he just wants Zelensky to tell him "how does my ass tastes?".
Like borscht and onions.
Bingo. Putin doesn't want any Ukrainian shithole cities to rule over, maintain and have to deal with "insurgents". He has what he wants and now he just wants Zelensky to tell him "how does my ass tastes?".
Like borscht and onions.
Posted by: NKVD at March 02, 2025 12:48 PM (R/m4+)
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Uh ... why would we do that again?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:46 PM (YqDXo)
Fucking NATO.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:46 PM (YqDXo)
Fucking NATO.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:48 PM (2NXcZ)
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That Zelinski guy from Ucrane knows Trump lied to are Black Ptresdent and thats why he be nots trust Trump. TRump is a liar and Trump must apoligize for his poor atttude.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at March 02, 2025 12:48 PM (A2iSa)
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Noticed yesterday that a lot of lefties posting their Trump hatred with the Ukraine flag. Stand with Ukraine they say from the ski house in Vermont or time share in Aruba.
MY DIL's family raced to facebook to do just that.. My DIL is just as liberal.. Didn't join in this time
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:13 PM (VE6XX)
Reason 4,297 why I ditched FarceBook four years ago. I was telling too many people to DIAF or FOAD. I didn't care who they were.
MY DIL's family raced to facebook to do just that.. My DIL is just as liberal.. Didn't join in this time
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:13 PM (VE6XX)
Reason 4,297 why I ditched FarceBook four years ago. I was telling too many people to DIAF or FOAD. I didn't care who they were.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at March 02, 2025 12:48 PM (dgRL6)
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I like her reaction:
@CletaMitchell
Watching Zelenskyy yesterday, the response of European leaders, and then the Norwegian company refusing to refuel a U.S. submarine patrolling waters to protect NORWAY (among others) causes this reaction to me: US must immediately stop giving money to Ukraine, withdraw from NATO, U.N. and ALL its subsidiary Marxist entities, and redirect every dime to a new DOGE led military and defense innovations entity to unleash a massive effort to retool and rebuild our military capacity in a way that jettisons $1,000 toilet lids, sparks development and modernization outside the decades old and ossified military contracting system and truly puts China, Russia, and Iran on notice that they best not mess with us. And have the capacity to confront and deter those threats.
We better be rethinking every dime and decision deployed in the entire foreign policy / defense / intelligence apparatus because obviously we are BURDENED by what has been. And we need to lay down those burdens and rethink / restructure for the road ahead. It must be done.
@DOGE_DOD @elonmusk @seanmdav @BasedMikeLee
@chiproytx @SpeakerJohnson
@CletaMitchell
Watching Zelenskyy yesterday, the response of European leaders, and then the Norwegian company refusing to refuel a U.S. submarine patrolling waters to protect NORWAY (among others) causes this reaction to me: US must immediately stop giving money to Ukraine, withdraw from NATO, U.N. and ALL its subsidiary Marxist entities, and redirect every dime to a new DOGE led military and defense innovations entity to unleash a massive effort to retool and rebuild our military capacity in a way that jettisons $1,000 toilet lids, sparks development and modernization outside the decades old and ossified military contracting system and truly puts China, Russia, and Iran on notice that they best not mess with us. And have the capacity to confront and deter those threats.
We better be rethinking every dime and decision deployed in the entire foreign policy / defense / intelligence apparatus because obviously we are BURDENED by what has been. And we need to lay down those burdens and rethink / restructure for the road ahead. It must be done.
@DOGE_DOD @elonmusk @seanmdav @BasedMikeLee
@chiproytx @SpeakerJohnson
Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2025 12:48 PM (Cki93)
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>I hope the mineral deal never goes through, I want Trump to have a good reason to walk away from all of it.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Vlad Putin has made it known that Russia has shit-tons of rare earth metals and would welcome foreign investment to recover them, including interested parties in the US
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Vlad Putin has made it known that Russia has shit-tons of rare earth metals and would welcome foreign investment to recover them, including interested parties in the US
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:48 PM (AOsQT)
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They'd prefer if we stayed here and kept our mouths shut and send checks until they need our help and then we can send our military to protect them. And more checks.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (LkLld)
Yes, Europe looks at the US the same way people in NYC look at people in the middle of the country: unsophisticated rubes to be used when needed, but otherwise they are to be mocked and derided and all good people should hate them a fiery intensity that is normally reserved for ex-wives or ex-husbands after a bitter custody dispute.
It's hard to describe unless you run in those circles and hear how casually people throw out absolute bitter hatred towards other people for absolutely no reason.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (LkLld)
Yes, Europe looks at the US the same way people in NYC look at people in the middle of the country: unsophisticated rubes to be used when needed, but otherwise they are to be mocked and derided and all good people should hate them a fiery intensity that is normally reserved for ex-wives or ex-husbands after a bitter custody dispute.
It's hard to describe unless you run in those circles and hear how casually people throw out absolute bitter hatred towards other people for absolutely no reason.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:48 PM (uCjyK)
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All the Russians had to do is force the US to keep bleeding money and resources.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 02, 2025 12:48 PM (mB6WH)
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Murray had a good reason for his Nixon revelation - he said that he started to read Woodwards book about John Balushi, and having known Belushi personally he realized it was all bullshit. So he said “damn I’ll bet Woodwards book about Nixon was all bullshit too.”
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 12:49 PM (SSRw1)
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Russia has doubled its military spending, that in turn allowed it to refine tactical and strategic weapons, reorganize the armed forces , to modernize. It almost achieved its main goal - a buffer zone between itself and NATO. Any talk about talking Kiev and Odesa is irrelevant babble.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:49 PM (g47mK)
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That being said, The Russian military has lost all pretense of competency. We're now 3 years into a 3 day "Special Military Operation" and even with western weapons in relatively small numbers, the Russians haven't been able to roll through Kiev or Odessa.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (WYStd)
True, but they are consolidating their gains, and there isn't anything Ukraine can do about it. The Russian military failed spectacularly, but they are slowly learning their lessons, and that bodes ill for Ukraine.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (WYStd)
True, but they are consolidating their gains, and there isn't anything Ukraine can do about it. The Russian military failed spectacularly, but they are slowly learning their lessons, and that bodes ill for Ukraine.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:49 PM (mWSu4)
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I hope the mineral deal never goes through, I want Trump to have a good reason to walk away from all of it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 12:45 PM (SSRw1)
There's no proven mineral resource to deal on. All it would amount to is an exploration concession.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 12:45 PM (SSRw1)
There's no proven mineral resource to deal on. All it would amount to is an exploration concession.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 02, 2025 12:49 PM (8zz6B)
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Part of a series of posts on NATO's official X account just last week:
https://tinyurl.com/4aaep5f3
https://tinyurl.com/4aaep5f3
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 12:49 PM (T3vgT)
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>>I hope the mineral deal never goes through, I want Trump to have a good reason to walk away from all of it.
I'd like to see Trump make deals for minerals with both Ukraine and Russia. Eurasia is chock full of all sorts of minerals and oil and gas. Make alliances and do deals where everybody wins. People tend not to go to war with their business partners.
I'd like to see Trump make deals for minerals with both Ukraine and Russia. Eurasia is chock full of all sorts of minerals and oil and gas. Make alliances and do deals where everybody wins. People tend not to go to war with their business partners.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 12:50 PM (LkLld)
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The EU: bought a Corvette and married a pole dancer.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (dxSpM)
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Europe is a theme park: "Yesterday Land." Sure, they've got castles etc., but they've also got death camps. So ... no points.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:41 PM (dxSpM)
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Europe is a theme park: "Yesterday Land." Sure, they've got castles etc., but they've also got death camps. So ... no points.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:50 PM (YqDXo)
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This is a nice recap of events going back to 1991, presented to the EU Parliament by Columbia University professor Jeffrey Sachs.
Much of what he said has been presented here in the comments sections many times, of course, but it compiles everything nicely in just over four minutes:
https://tinyurl.com/3kyt46t2
Much of what he said has been presented here in the comments sections many times, of course, but it compiles everything nicely in just over four minutes:
https://tinyurl.com/3kyt46t2
Posted by: one hour sober at March 02, 2025 12:50 PM (Y1sOo)
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I contend that lil' Z is not making major decisions, he's just the bag man for the globalists' scheme and secondary laundering operation. I think he received either implicit or explicit instructions to take the oxygen from President Trump and the propaganda media would do the rest.
Point - PDJT & VPJDV
Point - PDJT & VPJDV
Posted by: Cray Cray at March 02, 2025 12:50 PM (EES2L)
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Everyone says that Putin is a thug and a dictator and a murderer. They know all of these things to be true because media outlets and commentators on the CIA payroll say so ad nauseum. Maybe he is. But he's also a Russian patriot and we've left him no other viable option. That's on us.
Vlad Putin has looted his country, imprisoned opposition figures, and used his national security apparatus against loyal opposition.
Joe Biden has looted his country, imprisoned opposition figures, and used his national security apparatus against loyal opposition.
Angela Merkle has looted her country, imprisoned opposition figures, and used his national security apparatus against loyal opposition.
and on and on
Vlad Putin has looted his country, imprisoned opposition figures, and used his national security apparatus against loyal opposition.
Joe Biden has looted his country, imprisoned opposition figures, and used his national security apparatus against loyal opposition.
Angela Merkle has looted her country, imprisoned opposition figures, and used his national security apparatus against loyal opposition.
and on and on
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 12:50 PM (t0Rmr)
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Russian President Vladimir Putin said his nation was ready to work with U.S. companies to secure rare raw minerals within the nation’s borders in hopes of ending the conflict in Ukraine after three years of war.
Putin has been consistent in trying to forge economic ties with the west for as long as he's been in power.
Putin has been consistent in trying to forge economic ties with the west for as long as he's been in power.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:50 PM (ExV1e)
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They might take Odesa if this goes any further. More to negotiate with. Trump did say when Zelensky started to show off on twitter, that he better make a deal soon, or he won't have a country left.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 12:51 PM (g47mK)
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I saw Bill Murray on Rogan and I don’t think he was saying he really thought Nixon was framed. What he was emphasizing is that Bob Woodward lied about his friend John Belushi in another Woodward book which makes him suspicious of anything Woodward writes…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:51 PM (O1oUp)
Posted by: Dr Fauci at March 02, 2025 12:51 PM (FhXTo)
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169 He played Nixon's son-in-law in the old SNL spoofs of Nixon. Maybe that sunk in. Where did you see that?
Posted by: Dr. Claw
Joe Rogan
Posted by: Auspex at March 02, 2025 12:47 PM (j4U/Z)
Specifically:
https://tinyurl.com/redpillcarlspackler
Posted by: Dr. Claw
Joe Rogan
Posted by: Auspex at March 02, 2025 12:47 PM (j4U/Z)
Specifically:
https://tinyurl.com/redpillcarlspackler
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (PiwSw)
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What if, just possibly, Russia already controls all the territory they want to control?
Bingo. Putin doesn't want any Ukrainian shithole cities to rule over, maintain and have to deal with "insurgents". He has what he wants and now he just wants Zelensky to tell him "how does my ass tastes?".
Like borscht and onions.
Posted by: NKVD
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I think he'd like to have Kharkov as well.
Bingo. Putin doesn't want any Ukrainian shithole cities to rule over, maintain and have to deal with "insurgents". He has what he wants and now he just wants Zelensky to tell him "how does my ass tastes?".
Like borscht and onions.
Posted by: NKVD
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I think he'd like to have Kharkov as well.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (Dm8we)
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I’ve maintained for quite some time now that Jessup was the good guy in that movie and the Cruise character was just a Harvard mouth in a faggoty white uniform
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:47 PM (O1oUp)
Except there's that pesky matter of the kid who was murdered.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:47 PM (O1oUp)
Except there's that pesky matter of the kid who was murdered.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (81i8c)
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There's no proven mineral resource to deal on. All it would amount to is an exploration concession.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 02, 2025 12:49 PM (8zz6B)
Sounds good. We can pay them $10,000,000 for the exploration rights, and 10% of whatever we find.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 02, 2025 12:49 PM (8zz6B)
Sounds good. We can pay them $10,000,000 for the exploration rights, and 10% of whatever we find.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (mWSu4)
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Yes, Europe looks at the US the same way people in NYC look at people in the middle of the country: unsophisticated rubes to be used when needed, but otherwise they are to be mocked and derided
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And, oddly enough, both Europe and NYC are in deep trouble.
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And, oddly enough, both Europe and NYC are in deep trouble.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (YqDXo)
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I bet Z tries to come crawling back
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (VE6XX)
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>>Murray had a good reason for his Nixon revelation - he said that he started to read Woodwards book about John Balushi, and having known Belushi personally he realized it was all bullshit. So he said “damn I’ll bet Woodwards book about Nixon was all bullshit too.”
Yeah, Murray nailed it. Particularly appreciated his details about evaluating who Woodward had interviewed -- people who were so peripheral to Belushi's life - and realizing he no doubt has done this with Nixon and other subjects.
The Gell-Mann effect, bigtime
Yeah, Murray nailed it. Particularly appreciated his details about evaluating who Woodward had interviewed -- people who were so peripheral to Belushi's life - and realizing he no doubt has done this with Nixon and other subjects.
The Gell-Mann effect, bigtime
Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (Cki93)
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I’ve maintained for quite some time now that Jessup was the good guy in that movie and the Cruise character was just a Harvard mouth in a faggoty white uniform
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:47 PM (O1oUp)
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That was my take, too.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:47 PM (O1oUp)
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That was my take, too.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:53 PM (YqDXo)
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funny tweet from Adam Corolla about Zelinsky having kompromat on Biden.
https://tinyurl.com/rkwxmfb9
https://tinyurl.com/rkwxmfb9
Posted by: illiniwek at March 02, 2025 12:53 PM (Cus5s)
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>>>Yeah. The part that baffled me was Trump giving Zelensky a forum to try to double cross him. I'd like to believe Trump could spot something that and stop it before happens.
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Trump said he wanted negotiations in front of cameras so that people could see how it goes. Zelensky said it shouldn't have been in front of cameras.
For Trump it was a win either way. It started with Trump's desire for a good outcome. Everyone looks good on camera, everyone looks good on the 6 o'clock news. Zelensky acts up then Trump looks good and another bargaining chip for the team. Zelensky chose poorly.
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Trump said he wanted negotiations in front of cameras so that people could see how it goes. Zelensky said it shouldn't have been in front of cameras.
For Trump it was a win either way. It started with Trump's desire for a good outcome. Everyone looks good on camera, everyone looks good on the 6 o'clock news. Zelensky acts up then Trump looks good and another bargaining chip for the team. Zelensky chose poorly.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 12:53 PM (IkhKe)
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Here's the sickening part: the Euroweenies, NATO etc. will pay any price, bear any burden to keep this war going. Why?
To deny Trump (and by extension, American voters) the win.
We wouldn't want an outbreak of democracy in the "free countries", after all.
To deny Trump (and by extension, American voters) the win.
We wouldn't want an outbreak of democracy in the "free countries", after all.
Posted by: Bombadil at March 02, 2025 12:53 PM (MX0bI)
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Protests were staged at multiple national Park sites across the nation on Saturday.
"Saturday’s protests were organized across the nation by “Resistance Rangers,” a group of over 700 off-duty park rangers who were “illegally fired on 2/14, and seasonal rangers whose jobs were rescinded.”
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The group gave a littany of the dire consequences that will follow if these firings stand up.
1. Trash will pile up at campgrounds
2. Curios will not be re-stocked on gift shop shelves
3. Unsupervised hikers will walk on environmentally sensitive lichen, causing global warming
4. Forest denizens will suffer mental health shtruggles and thousands will commit suicide, especially the cute fluffy ones like bunnies and chipmunks and fawns and singing follksy skunks.
"Saturday’s protests were organized across the nation by “Resistance Rangers,” a group of over 700 off-duty park rangers who were “illegally fired on 2/14, and seasonal rangers whose jobs were rescinded.”
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The group gave a littany of the dire consequences that will follow if these firings stand up.
1. Trash will pile up at campgrounds
2. Curios will not be re-stocked on gift shop shelves
3. Unsupervised hikers will walk on environmentally sensitive lichen, causing global warming
4. Forest denizens will suffer mental health shtruggles and thousands will commit suicide, especially the cute fluffy ones like bunnies and chipmunks and fawns and singing follksy skunks.
Posted by: muldoon at March 02, 2025 12:53 PM (/iMjX)
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Did you see where Norway is refusing to fill up an American navy ship because of the zelensky blownup?
Supposedly a private company did that and ->
@DieHard45RG 2h
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Norway government just spanked Norwegian fuel contractor Haltbakk Bunkers for refusing to supply US military with fuel!
Haltbakk deleted post and supplied fuel to US military ships
Supposedly a private company did that and ->
@DieHard45RG 2h
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Norway government just spanked Norwegian fuel contractor Haltbakk Bunkers for refusing to supply US military with fuel!
Haltbakk deleted post and supplied fuel to US military ships
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (mlg/3)
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Would the acquisition of Greenland prove the US with all the rare earth minerals we need?
We could certainly afford it if we got out of NATO and the UN and realigned ourselves with say, Argentina, Italy, Hungary and Poland.
Then told Canada to nut up and stop being pussies.
We could certainly afford it if we got out of NATO and the UN and realigned ourselves with say, Argentina, Italy, Hungary and Poland.
Then told Canada to nut up and stop being pussies.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (mT+6a)
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161 I hope the mineral deal never goes through, I want Trump to have a good reason to walk away from all of it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 12:45 PM (SSRw1)
I get Trump's thinking on this. We essentially gave a blank check to Ukraine. We were promised nothing in return.
The Europeans lent Ukraine the money and used Ukrainian assets (largely gas and oil) as collateral.
So if we just walk away now, we're out hundreds of billions of dollars (looks like no one knows the exact number because that's just how our govt rolls).
Trump's saying "that's not a good deal for us." which is true. But on the flip side -- it's clear this is all an intel op, do we really want to stay involved due to rare earth minerals? Isn't this kind of a sunk cost fallacy issue here? The moneys gone, most of it never left the US shores. Let's focus on going after the deep staters in the US, and just accept that we were robbed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 12:45 PM (SSRw1)
I get Trump's thinking on this. We essentially gave a blank check to Ukraine. We were promised nothing in return.
The Europeans lent Ukraine the money and used Ukrainian assets (largely gas and oil) as collateral.
So if we just walk away now, we're out hundreds of billions of dollars (looks like no one knows the exact number because that's just how our govt rolls).
Trump's saying "that's not a good deal for us." which is true. But on the flip side -- it's clear this is all an intel op, do we really want to stay involved due to rare earth minerals? Isn't this kind of a sunk cost fallacy issue here? The moneys gone, most of it never left the US shores. Let's focus on going after the deep staters in the US, and just accept that we were robbed.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (uCjyK)
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It's hard to describe unless you run in those circles and hear how casually people throw out absolute bitter hatred towards other people for absolutely no reason.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:48 PM (uCjyK)
And there's nothing that we can do to change that attitude. Anti-Americanism is the herpes of the Eurotrash class. It might express itself more or less, but it never goes away. They hate us now with Trump, but they hated us only a little less under Obama.
It's hard to describe unless you run in those circles and hear how casually people throw out absolute bitter hatred towards other people for absolutely no reason.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:48 PM (uCjyK)
And there's nothing that we can do to change that attitude. Anti-Americanism is the herpes of the Eurotrash class. It might express itself more or less, but it never goes away. They hate us now with Trump, but they hated us only a little less under Obama.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (dxSpM)
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In the last 48 hours, the Russians have started launching hypersonic Iskander missiles at cargo vessels carrying military supplies into Odessa.
Yesterday, two missiles struck a Panama-flagged cargo ship docked in Odessa. Aboard the M/V Levante-F were containers ALLEGEDLY containing UK sea drones and weapons that were loaded aboard in Turkey.
The Deep State is in full panic mode. We've got"angry" protestors pursuing JD Vance and his family, forcing them to find an 'undisclosed' location, Norway strutting its stuff by refusing to refuel an American submarine tasked to DEFEND Norway, and UK MPs begging King Chuck to cancel his invitation to the President. Hitting the destruct button for the USAID program is the best thing the Administration has done so far. More, please.
Yesterday, two missiles struck a Panama-flagged cargo ship docked in Odessa. Aboard the M/V Levante-F were containers ALLEGEDLY containing UK sea drones and weapons that were loaded aboard in Turkey.
The Deep State is in full panic mode. We've got"angry" protestors pursuing JD Vance and his family, forcing them to find an 'undisclosed' location, Norway strutting its stuff by refusing to refuel an American submarine tasked to DEFEND Norway, and UK MPs begging King Chuck to cancel his invitation to the President. Hitting the destruct button for the USAID program is the best thing the Administration has done so far. More, please.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (rj6Yv)
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185 That being said, The Russian military has lost all pretense of competency. We're now 3 years into a 3 day "Special Military Operation" and even with western weapons in relatively small numbers, the Russians haven't been able to roll through Kiev or Odessa.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (WYStd)
True, but they are consolidating their gains, and there isn't anything Ukraine can do about it. The Russian military failed spectacularly, but they are slowly learning their lessons, and that bodes ill for Ukraine.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:49 PM (mWSu4)
Are you saying this year's Ukrainian Glorious and Total Victory Summer Counter-Offensive will not liberate Sevastopol?
:-)
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (WYStd)
True, but they are consolidating their gains, and there isn't anything Ukraine can do about it. The Russian military failed spectacularly, but they are slowly learning their lessons, and that bodes ill for Ukraine.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:49 PM (mWSu4)
Are you saying this year's Ukrainian Glorious and Total Victory Summer Counter-Offensive will not liberate Sevastopol?
:-)
Posted by: Gref at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (aBgBM)
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Russian President Vladimir Putin said his nation was ready to work with U.S. companies to secure rare raw minerals within the nation’s borders in hopes of ending the conflict in Ukraine after three years of war.
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Putin has been consistent in trying to forge economic ties with the west for as long as he's been in power.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:50 PM (ExV1e)
Hell, every Russian leader, going back to Gorbachev was asking for the same thing.
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Putin has been consistent in trying to forge economic ties with the west for as long as he's been in power.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:50 PM (ExV1e)
Hell, every Russian leader, going back to Gorbachev was asking for the same thing.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (81i8c)
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My take: Zelensky is riding the tiger, and can't get off without personal disaster.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:55 PM (YqDXo)
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But Nikki Haley and Lindsay Graham and Mustache Bolton says they are!
Not gonna lie, I bought into that line of thinking for the first year. Then I watched an interview with some guy... I wish I could find it again... where he talked about how Russians don't think like we do but all of our analysts expect them to fight the was we fight, for the same objectives. He talked about how the Russians likely didn't want to incorporate Ukrainians into Russia since it's cause issues. I suspect that had a lot to do with Putin talking about how western Ukraine was Polish and Hungarian? during his interview with Carlson.
Not gonna lie, I bought into that line of thinking for the first year. Then I watched an interview with some guy... I wish I could find it again... where he talked about how Russians don't think like we do but all of our analysts expect them to fight the was we fight, for the same objectives. He talked about how the Russians likely didn't want to incorporate Ukrainians into Russia since it's cause issues. I suspect that had a lot to do with Putin talking about how western Ukraine was Polish and Hungarian? during his interview with Carlson.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:55 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at March 02, 2025 12:55 PM (L/fGl)
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We learned nothing from Afghanistan. We should let Russia occupy Eastern Ukraine.
Occupying Eastern Ukraine would be a constant drain on Russia. Resources. They would be in a quagmire for decades. Giggitty.
Occupying Eastern Ukraine would be a constant drain on Russia. Resources. They would be in a quagmire for decades. Giggitty.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at March 02, 2025 12:55 PM (7lCFg)
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The group gave a littany of the dire consequences that will follow if these firings stand up.
1. Trash will pile up at campgrounds
2. Curios will not be re-stocked on gift shop shelves
3. Unsupervised hikers will walk on environmentally sensitive lichen, causing global warming
4. Forest denizens will suffer mental health shtruggles and thousands will commit suicide, especially the cute fluffy ones like bunnies and chipmunks and fawns and singing follksy skunks.
Posted by: muldoon at March 02, 2025 12:53 PM (/iMjX)
Will we still be able to, you know, do our business?
1. Trash will pile up at campgrounds
2. Curios will not be re-stocked on gift shop shelves
3. Unsupervised hikers will walk on environmentally sensitive lichen, causing global warming
4. Forest denizens will suffer mental health shtruggles and thousands will commit suicide, especially the cute fluffy ones like bunnies and chipmunks and fawns and singing follksy skunks.
Posted by: muldoon at March 02, 2025 12:53 PM (/iMjX)
Will we still be able to, you know, do our business?
Posted by: Bears in the woods at March 02, 2025 12:55 PM (PiwSw)
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Also, peace in Ukraine is like a cure for cancer, there's no money in it.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at March 02, 2025 12:56 PM (7lCFg)
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Vlad Putin has looted his country, imprisoned opposition figures, and used his national security apparatus against loyal opposition.
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So has every Democrat president .
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So has every Democrat president .
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 12:57 PM (IZEnm)
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And there's nothing that we can do to change that attitude. Anti-Americanism is the herpes of the Eurotrash class. It might express itself more or less, but it never goes away.
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Because America pushed them off center stage, and they realize they're now irrelevant.
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Because America pushed them off center stage, and they realize they're now irrelevant.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:57 PM (YqDXo)
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Except there's that pesky matter of the kid who was murdered.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (81i8c)
Private Santiago… his death while tragic probably saved lives — Col Jessup
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (81i8c)
Private Santiago… his death while tragic probably saved lives — Col Jessup
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:57 PM (nrfI8)
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One year notice. Article 13 of the North Atlantic treaty.
Posted by: The ARC
So let's do it and start pulling money and supplies.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:47 PM (2NXcZ)
I suspect we'd have to get Congress involved since the NATO treaty was approved by the Senate. I wonder if the Senate has approved each expansion or if they should be able to approve a treaty which can modify itself. Whatever... it's all fucked up and we need to leave.
Posted by: The ARC
So let's do it and start pulling money and supplies.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 12:47 PM (2NXcZ)
I suspect we'd have to get Congress involved since the NATO treaty was approved by the Senate. I wonder if the Senate has approved each expansion or if they should be able to approve a treaty which can modify itself. Whatever... it's all fucked up and we need to leave.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:57 PM (ExV1e)
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"Maryland Wants to Put Condom Vending Machines in Preschools"
Putting water balloon dispensers in elementary and middle schools. What could go wrong?
Putting water balloon dispensers in elementary and middle schools. What could go wrong?
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at March 02, 2025 12:57 PM (7lCFg)
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2. Curios will not be re-stocked on gift shop shelves
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What? This must NOT stand!
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What? This must NOT stand!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:58 PM (YqDXo)
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And, oddly enough, both Europe and NYC are in deep trouble.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (YqDXo)
Are they though? When NYC needs money (as it constantly does), it always manages to get it.
So everyone in flyover country is paying for NYC. Even if you've never been.
Same with Europe.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (YqDXo)
Are they though? When NYC needs money (as it constantly does), it always manages to get it.
So everyone in flyover country is paying for NYC. Even if you've never been.
Same with Europe.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 12:58 PM (uCjyK)
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202 I bet Z tries to come crawling back
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (VE6XX)
I am betting they will try to wring more out of the current op (trying to say Trump and Vance are completely unreasonable.) In a couple weeks, if it does not work, then maybe. But they will probably just trying something else. Some sort of attack by Russia or a slaughter of civilians by 'Russians' who look suspiciously like the Azov guys.
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (VE6XX)
I am betting they will try to wring more out of the current op (trying to say Trump and Vance are completely unreasonable.) In a couple weeks, if it does not work, then maybe. But they will probably just trying something else. Some sort of attack by Russia or a slaughter of civilians by 'Russians' who look suspiciously like the Azov guys.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 12:58 PM (bss/y)
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>>Putin has been consistent in trying to forge economic ties with the west for as long as he's been in power.
And the left ended any chance of that happening during Trump's 1st term with the idiotic Russia hoax. Another benefit to closer financial ties with Russia is pulling them away from China's influence.
The entire point of Trump going for Greenland was about greater presence in the Arctic region for both commerce and national defense. Russia has a dominant position right now because of geography.
Where is it written that in 2025 we can't finally start having better relations with Russia? The cold war is over.
And the left ended any chance of that happening during Trump's 1st term with the idiotic Russia hoax. Another benefit to closer financial ties with Russia is pulling them away from China's influence.
The entire point of Trump going for Greenland was about greater presence in the Arctic region for both commerce and national defense. Russia has a dominant position right now because of geography.
Where is it written that in 2025 we can't finally start having better relations with Russia? The cold war is over.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 12:58 PM (LkLld)
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Will we still be able to, you know, do our business?
Posted by: Bears in the woods at
Bag it up and pack it out.
Posted by: Bears in the woods at
Bag it up and pack it out.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 02, 2025 12:58 PM (mT+6a)
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That being said, The Russian military has lost all pretense of competency. We're now 3 years into a 3 day "Special Military Operation" and even with western weapons in relatively small numbers, the Russians haven't been able to roll through Kiev or Odessa.
Consider we lost to goat f*ckers in 'Stan whose only ally was Pakistan. If Russia wins this war, with massive western aid to Ukraine, they'll have proven to have a more competent military leadership than we have.
Consider we lost to goat f*ckers in 'Stan whose only ally was Pakistan. If Russia wins this war, with massive western aid to Ukraine, they'll have proven to have a more competent military leadership than we have.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 12:58 PM (t0Rmr)
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Because America pushed them off center stage, and they realize they're now irrelevant.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:57 PM (YqDXo)
It was one thing when they were actual vital societies that had actual achievements. Now they're just bankrupt aristocrats sneering at the prosperous tradesman.
Because America pushed them off center stage, and they realize they're now irrelevant.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:57 PM (YqDXo)
It was one thing when they were actual vital societies that had actual achievements. Now they're just bankrupt aristocrats sneering at the prosperous tradesman.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:59 PM (dxSpM)
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>>"Saturday’s protests were organized across the nation by “Resistance Rangers,” a group of over 700 off-duty park rangers who were “illegally fired on 2/14, and seasonal rangers whose jobs were rescinded.”
Gosh, where are they getting the money to do this?
Gosh, where are they getting the money to do this?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2025 12:59 PM (Cki93)
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I think this "rare earth mineral" deal isn't really much of a deal. The amount of minerals in Ukraine that constitute "rare earth" is a pretty small take. A fraction, a very small fraction of what could potentially be in Greenland.
That's my opinion. I just don't think that was the meat behind any deal here. It was to cut off the grift.
YMMV
That's my opinion. I just don't think that was the meat behind any deal here. It was to cut off the grift.
YMMV
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 02, 2025 12:59 PM (Q4IgG)
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BTW…. How did the inversion happen? In the 80s conservatives were cold warriors and liberals wanted to be friends with the Russian bear; now it’s the opposite. Blows my mind
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (+kWhq)
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My super genius theory backed by every fact in the world (Translation, my stupid thoughts):
The left was friends with the ruskies through Obama's first term (ex Obama's hot mic about having more flexibility with nuclear deals after the election). It wasn't until after that when the left turned antagonistic (I think even before Trump came into the picture). I think the Globalist cabal sent Russia an invitation to join the New World order, and Putin said nyet. With Russia being a potential formidable foe to the NWO, the plan was to make Russia the #1 global bad guy (not saying Putin is a good guy, but WEF demons are even worse bad guys).
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 12:12 PM (+kWhq)
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My super genius theory backed by every fact in the world (Translation, my stupid thoughts):
The left was friends with the ruskies through Obama's first term (ex Obama's hot mic about having more flexibility with nuclear deals after the election). It wasn't until after that when the left turned antagonistic (I think even before Trump came into the picture). I think the Globalist cabal sent Russia an invitation to join the New World order, and Putin said nyet. With Russia being a potential formidable foe to the NWO, the plan was to make Russia the #1 global bad guy (not saying Putin is a good guy, but WEF demons are even worse bad guys).
Posted by: Cray Cray at March 02, 2025 12:59 PM (EES2L)
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Posted by: one hour sober at March 02, 2025 12:50 PM (Y1sOo)
Sachs is a smart guy, although I don't always agree with him.
But he is also all in on decarbonization, and that is evil.
Sachs is a smart guy, although I don't always agree with him.
But he is also all in on decarbonization, and that is evil.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 01:00 PM (mWSu4)
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Vlad Putin Joe Biden looted his country, imprisoned opposition figures, and used his national security apparatus against loyal opposition.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at March 02, 2025 01:00 PM (7lCFg)
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Hazing devdochina is how Russians weed out their recruits im sure the Chinese do similar drill instruction
Caveat if not for sachs and summers shock therapy democracy would not be in bad order in Russia hence putins popularity
Caveat if not for sachs and summers shock therapy democracy would not be in bad order in Russia hence putins popularity
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 02, 2025 01:00 PM (dJR17)
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The Eurofags are getting all sanctimonious about Trump and this mineral rights deal, but they keep quiet that they loaned Ukraine support. The US gave it unconditionally, but now wants to see some recompense.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:00 PM (YqDXo)
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If Zelensky is so hard up for military supplies, I'm sure he could cut a deal with the Taliban. They have supplies up the wazoo.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:00 PM (rj6Yv)
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It was one thing when they were actual vital societies that had actual achievements. Now they're just bankrupt aristocrats sneering at the prosperous tradesman.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:59 PM (dxSpM)
Good analogy going all the way back to the Roman Republic.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:59 PM (dxSpM)
Good analogy going all the way back to the Roman Republic.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 01:00 PM (bss/y)
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A thought occurred to me today and that is: "Aside from the money what are The Elites who want another Forever War really getting out of this conflict? Well, they're getting a lot of dead Russians and Ukrainians." And there it is - I think it is that simple. This tracks with what I think the primary long-term goal of Globalist Elite: the destruction of all traces of western civilization and elimination of white people entirely.
Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at March 02, 2025 01:00 PM (V362x)
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Noticed yesterday that a lot of lefties posting their Trump hatred with the Ukraine flag. Stand with Ukraine they say from the ski house in Vermont or time share in Aruba.
MY DIL's family raced to facebook to do just that.. My DIL is just as liberal.. Didn't join in this time
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:13 PM (VE6XX)
Reason 4,297 why I ditched FarceBook four years ago. I was telling too many people to DIAF or FOAD. I didn't care who they were.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at March 02, 2025 12:48 PM (dgRL6)
Trump should post on Truth that, as a gesture towards Ukraine, we will permit Ukraine to consider any American who puts the Uke flag on their socials as volunteering for frontline duty.
MY DIL's family raced to facebook to do just that.. My DIL is just as liberal.. Didn't join in this time
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 12:13 PM (VE6XX)
Reason 4,297 why I ditched FarceBook four years ago. I was telling too many people to DIAF or FOAD. I didn't care who they were.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at March 02, 2025 12:48 PM (dgRL6)
Trump should post on Truth that, as a gesture towards Ukraine, we will permit Ukraine to consider any American who puts the Uke flag on their socials as volunteering for frontline duty.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (ExV1e)
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Where is it written that in 2025 we can't finally start having better relations with Russia? The cold war is over.
Russia shares more interests with the US than Europe does.
And while Europe is marginally "freer and more democratic" than Russia they are trending away from that about as fast as they can.
Oh, and GloboHomo is about the biggest enemy of the American citizenry in the world, bigger then China or jihadis or any other external group you can identify and Europe is firmly in bed with them.
Russia shares more interests with the US than Europe does.
And while Europe is marginally "freer and more democratic" than Russia they are trending away from that about as fast as they can.
Oh, and GloboHomo is about the biggest enemy of the American citizenry in the world, bigger then China or jihadis or any other external group you can identify and Europe is firmly in bed with them.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (t0Rmr)
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>>But they will probably just trying something else. Some sort of attack by Russia or a slaughter of civilians by 'Russians' who look suspiciously like the Azov guys.
Unfortunately, that sounds plausible.
Pin a bunch of dead Ukraine civilians on Trump and Vance.
Unfortunately, that sounds plausible.
Pin a bunch of dead Ukraine civilians on Trump and Vance.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (Cki93)
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237 Posted by: one hour sober at March 02, 2025 12:50 PM (Y1sOo)
Sachs is a smart guy, although I don't always agree with him.
But he is also all in on decarbonization, and that is evil.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 01:00 PM (mWSu4)
Smart people can be pretty retarded.
Sachs is a smart guy, although I don't always agree with him.
But he is also all in on decarbonization, and that is evil.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 01:00 PM (mWSu4)
Smart people can be pretty retarded.
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Not gonna lie, I bought into that line of thinking for the first year. Then I watched an interview with some guy... I wish I could find it again... where he talked about how Russians don't think like we do but all of our analysts expect them to fight the was we fight, for the same objectives. He talked about how the Russians likely didn't want to incorporate Ukrainians into Russia since it's cause issues. I suspect that had a lot to do with Putin talking about how western Ukraine was Polish and Hungarian? during his interview with Carlson.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:55 PM (ExV1e)
That's understandable. For years it was assumed that American power was being used across the globe, for the good of the people we were supposedly defending.
It's only a question of when you put the glasses on. Some of us already had them on, by the time this thing started, and we saw it for what it was (although I had no idea how deeply we were involved in the coup that took place years earlier in Ukraine).
But now, wherever American power is projected on the globe, just put the glasses on. You see it for what it really is.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:55 PM (ExV1e)
That's understandable. For years it was assumed that American power was being used across the globe, for the good of the people we were supposedly defending.
It's only a question of when you put the glasses on. Some of us already had them on, by the time this thing started, and we saw it for what it was (although I had no idea how deeply we were involved in the coup that took place years earlier in Ukraine).
But now, wherever American power is projected on the globe, just put the glasses on. You see it for what it really is.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (81i8c)
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"In the 80s conservatives were cold warriors and liberals wanted to be friends with the Russian bear; now it’s the opposite."
In the 80s, Russia was Communist. Then, they threw off communism. Liberals never forgave them.
In the 80s, Russia was Communist. Then, they threw off communism. Liberals never forgave them.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (7lCFg)
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So everyone in flyover country is paying for NYC. Even if you've never been.
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I love paying billions for subways I’ll never use. That’s my favorite.
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I love paying billions for subways I’ll never use. That’s my favorite.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (IZEnm)
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The left was friends with the ruskies through Obama's first term (ex Obama's hot mic about having more flexibility with nuclear deals after the election). It wasn't until after that when the left turned antagonistic (I think even before Trump came into the picture).
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The Left turned antagonistic when Putin stopped adoption of Russian infants by American faggots. That tore it.
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The Left turned antagonistic when Putin stopped adoption of Russian infants by American faggots. That tore it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (YqDXo)
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Noticed yesterday that a lot of lefties posting their Trump hatred with the Ukraine flag. Stand with Ukraine they say from the ski house in Vermont or time share in Aruba.
In the northeast you can tell how wealthy a community is by how many Uke signs it has.
Oh and you can tell how few black people it has by how many BLM signs there are
In the northeast you can tell how wealthy a community is by how many Uke signs it has.
Oh and you can tell how few black people it has by how many BLM signs there are
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (t0Rmr)
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183 Murray had a good reason for his Nixon revelation - he said that he started to read Woodwards book about John Balushi, and having known Belushi personally he realized it was all bullshit. So he said “damn I’ll bet Woodwards book about Nixon was all bullshit too.”
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 12:49 PM (SSRw1)
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Bob Woodward is full of shit?? I can't believe it...I shan't believe it!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 12:49 PM (SSRw1)
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Bob Woodward is full of shit?? I can't believe it...I shan't believe it!!!
Posted by: Cray Cray at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (EES2L)
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It’s also amazing how clueless the Euros are about their own military incompetence. Starmer started talking about sending a 25,000 man expeditionary force to Ukraine, until his military advisors said “umm, we’d be lucky to put 5,000 men together for that in short notice.” And then Starmer mentioned tanks, and the same advisors said “umm, there’s only about 25 main battle tanks that are still operational in the entire country today.” (Rest are down and waiting on parts, many for years now)
Britain does have 2 aircraft carriers - oh wait both are in dock undergoing heavy maintenance, neither will be seaworthy for another year at least.
In fact, for all the tough talk, Britain has no effective military at all anymore, outside of its nukes.
Britain does have 2 aircraft carriers - oh wait both are in dock undergoing heavy maintenance, neither will be seaworthy for another year at least.
In fact, for all the tough talk, Britain has no effective military at all anymore, outside of its nukes.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (SSRw1)
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Are you saying this year's Ukrainian Glorious and Total Victory Summer Counter-Offensive will not liberate Sevastopol?
Posted by: Gref at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (aBgBM)
If only we had helped, they would be on the outskirts of Moscow by July!
Posted by: Gref at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (aBgBM)
If only we had helped, they would be on the outskirts of Moscow by July!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (mWSu4)
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Unfortunately, that sounds plausible.
Pin a bunch of dead Ukraine civilians on Trump and Vance.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (Cki93)
Exactly. And that is exactly how they would/will frame it.
Pin a bunch of dead Ukraine civilians on Trump and Vance.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (Cki93)
Exactly. And that is exactly how they would/will frame it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (bss/y)
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Sachs is also one of the architects of the immigration invasion from a book he wrote in 2008
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (dJR17)
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So everyone in flyover country is paying for NYC. Even if you've never been.
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I love paying billions for subways I’ll never use. That’s my favorite.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (IZEnm)
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Hey, the subways give the vagrants somewhere to prey on the normies, if such there be in NYC.
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I love paying billions for subways I’ll never use. That’s my favorite.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (IZEnm)
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Hey, the subways give the vagrants somewhere to prey on the normies, if such there be in NYC.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (YqDXo)
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I love paying billions for subways I’ll never use. That’s my favorite.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (IZEnm)
Most subways (aside from Japan) I would pay not to ride them.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (IZEnm)
Most subways (aside from Japan) I would pay not to ride them.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (bss/y)
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Watching Zelenskyy yesterday, the response of European leaders, and then the Norwegian company refusing to refuel a U.S. submarine patrolling waters to protect NORWAY...
Unless something has changed while I wasn't looking, all US submarines are nuclear. Now, they do have some diesel but it's not a lot.
Unless something has changed while I wasn't looking, all US submarines are nuclear. Now, they do have some diesel but it's not a lot.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (ExV1e)
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It came out yesterday that, at least for Britain's part, they've been running this on Russian money. Russia's money has been frozen and can't be touched but the interest belongs to the bearer.
Britain's been collecting $3 Billion+ a year in interest off Russia's money.
Britain's been collecting $3 Billion+ a year in interest off Russia's money.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (IkhKe)
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Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:55 PM (ExV1e)
The Russian position on this could not be clearer. Eastern Ukraine is full of ethnic Russians. It was a quirk of how Stalin set the administrative divisions up that those people ended up in the newly formed country of Ukraine when the USSR fell.
Unfortunately for those ethnic russians, they happen to live on top of an area full of rare earth minerals, great farming, oil / gas, and a very militarily strategic warm water port.
So when the US Deep State and their Euro friends decided they wanted those resources, they had to come up with a way to get them. That involved ethnically cleansing ethnic russians on Russia's border. Putin had no choice but to step in.
Western Ukraine is full of ethnic Ukrainians and has not been "Russified" in many many decades. There's really no strategic importance to that area other than as a "buffer zone." Putin has never shown any indication he wants to occupy the entire country.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:55 PM (ExV1e)
The Russian position on this could not be clearer. Eastern Ukraine is full of ethnic Russians. It was a quirk of how Stalin set the administrative divisions up that those people ended up in the newly formed country of Ukraine when the USSR fell.
Unfortunately for those ethnic russians, they happen to live on top of an area full of rare earth minerals, great farming, oil / gas, and a very militarily strategic warm water port.
So when the US Deep State and their Euro friends decided they wanted those resources, they had to come up with a way to get them. That involved ethnically cleansing ethnic russians on Russia's border. Putin had no choice but to step in.
Western Ukraine is full of ethnic Ukrainians and has not been "Russified" in many many decades. There's really no strategic importance to that area other than as a "buffer zone." Putin has never shown any indication he wants to occupy the entire country.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (uCjyK)
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Trump should post on Truth that, as a gesture towards Ukraine, we will permit Ukraine to consider any American who puts the Uke flag on their socials as volunteering for frontline duty.
Honestly? Trump should offer to pay the air fare to Kiev for any American citizen that meets whatever qualifications Ukraine has for serving in its military. BUT if you come back before serving 2 years in the Uke military you owe 10X the air fare.
Honestly? Trump should offer to pay the air fare to Kiev for any American citizen that meets whatever qualifications Ukraine has for serving in its military. BUT if you come back before serving 2 years in the Uke military you owe 10X the air fare.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (t0Rmr)
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255 Are you saying this year's Ukrainian Glorious and Total Victory Summer Counter-Offensive will not liberate Sevastopol?
Posted by: Gref at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (aBgBM)
If only we had helped, they would be on the outskirts of Moscow by July!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (mWSu4)
We helped for what? 3 years?
Posted by: Gref at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (aBgBM)
If only we had helped, they would be on the outskirts of Moscow by July!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (mWSu4)
We helped for what? 3 years?
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What? This must NOT stand!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:58 PM (YqDXo)
Think of all those poor Chinese slaves who make that junk...
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What? This must NOT stand!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 12:58 PM (YqDXo)
Think of all those poor Chinese slaves who make that junk...
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (81i8c)
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Word on the street comes from Johnny the shoe shine boy.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (63Dwl)
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It's the American military that is suspect today, not Russia's.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:43 PM (81i8c)
Wow I don't think I've ever read something so disconnected from reality.
"Russia never wanted Kiev" - lets just pretend that there's NOT an armored graveyard on the road to Kiev that was destroyed. I'm sure that not-insignificant loss of tanks and manpower was just an expert Russian diversionary tactic.
And yes, while the US Military hasn't covered itself in glory lately, the Truman is repaired and back in operation, while the Russian aircraft carrier has been in drydock repair for decades and cannot go anywhere without a train of tugboats following after it.
Why don't you ask the "Wagner mercs" in Syrian what they think of the competence of the US Military.
Oh wait. They're all dead.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:43 PM (81i8c)
Wow I don't think I've ever read something so disconnected from reality.
"Russia never wanted Kiev" - lets just pretend that there's NOT an armored graveyard on the road to Kiev that was destroyed. I'm sure that not-insignificant loss of tanks and manpower was just an expert Russian diversionary tactic.
And yes, while the US Military hasn't covered itself in glory lately, the Truman is repaired and back in operation, while the Russian aircraft carrier has been in drydock repair for decades and cannot go anywhere without a train of tugboats following after it.
Why don't you ask the "Wagner mercs" in Syrian what they think of the competence of the US Military.
Oh wait. They're all dead.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 01:04 PM (WYStd)
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 01:04 PM (AOsQT)
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In fact, for all the tough talk, Britain has no effective military at all anymore, outside of its nukes.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (SSRw1)
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The UK Defence Minister has Washington on speed dial. That's their defense strategy in a nutshell.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (SSRw1)
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The UK Defence Minister has Washington on speed dial. That's their defense strategy in a nutshell.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:04 PM (YqDXo)
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Growing up, the IRS, the state OSHA and union grifters were all conspiring to go after dad's business and take food off my dinner table.
And then at 17 the press gangs at the DOD sent me a selective service letter.
I didn't pick sides, they did.
Growing up, the IRS, the state OSHA and union grifters were all conspiring to go after dad's business and take food off my dinner table.
And then at 17 the press gangs at the DOD sent me a selective service letter.
I didn't pick sides, they did.
Posted by: Auspex at March 02, 2025 01:04 PM (j4U/Z)
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Britain does have 2 aircraft carriers - oh wait both are in dock undergoing heavy maintenance, neither will be seaworthy for another year at least.
Sending aircraft carriers into the Black or Baltic sea would be a quick way to lose them.
Sending aircraft carriers into the Black or Baltic sea would be a quick way to lose them.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 01:04 PM (t0Rmr)
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"Nixon courted China to be a card he could play against the Soviets
I think Trump wants to use Russia against China in the same way"
And at the time, wasn't China the weaker player? Now China is the threat, and Russia could be a useful ally for US.
I think Trump wants to use Russia against China in the same way"
And at the time, wasn't China the weaker player? Now China is the threat, and Russia could be a useful ally for US.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (Cus5s)
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>>Hey, the subways give the vagrants somewhere to prey on the normies, if such there be in NYC.
Apparently, NYC loses billions every year because they allow fare jumping. More than they would make up w/congestion tolls.
Apparently, NYC loses billions every year because they allow fare jumping. More than they would make up w/congestion tolls.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (Cki93)
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261 It came out yesterday that, at least for Britain's part, they've been running this on Russian money. Russia's money has been frozen and can't be touched but the interest belongs to the bearer.
Britain's been collecting $3 Billion+ a year in interest off Russia's money.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (IkhKe)
The entire world is a giant criminal enterprise.
Why was globalization a good idea again?
Britain's been collecting $3 Billion+ a year in interest off Russia's money.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (IkhKe)
The entire world is a giant criminal enterprise.
Why was globalization a good idea again?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (bss/y)
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When you think of it the globalists thought the USA would just fall in line with their plans. Well the euroweenies want a new world order right?
This is it. America first.
This is it. America first.
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (w4nzS)
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titans like Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi
😂
Funniest thing I've read so far today.
😂
Funniest thing I've read so far today.
Posted by: mindful webworker - more like Lilliputians at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (+8KQX)
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Bob Woodward is full of shit?? I can't believe it...I shan't believe it!!!
Posted by: Cray Cray at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (EES2L)
I always forget which one was which. Woodward and Bernstein. One was CIA, the other a functional illiterate.
Posted by: Cray Cray at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (EES2L)
I always forget which one was which. Woodward and Bernstein. One was CIA, the other a functional illiterate.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (81i8c)
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VDH on what went wrong.
If one views carefully all the 50-minute tape, most of it was going quite well—until Zelenskyy started correcting Vance firstly, and Trump secondly. By Ukraine-splaining to his hosts, and by his gestures, tone, and interruptions, he made it clear that he assumed that Trump was just more of the same compliant, clueless moneybags Biden waxen effigy. And that was naïve for such a supposedly worldly leader.
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I guess Zelenskyyyyy doesn't get out much.
If one views carefully all the 50-minute tape, most of it was going quite well—until Zelenskyy started correcting Vance firstly, and Trump secondly. By Ukraine-splaining to his hosts, and by his gestures, tone, and interruptions, he made it clear that he assumed that Trump was just more of the same compliant, clueless moneybags Biden waxen effigy. And that was naïve for such a supposedly worldly leader.
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I guess Zelenskyyyyy doesn't get out much.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (L/fGl)
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264 255 Are you saying this year's Ukrainian Glorious and Total Victory Summer Counter-Offensive will not liberate Sevastopol?
Posted by: Gref at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (aBgBM)
If only we had helped, they would be on the outskirts of Moscow by July!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (mWSu4)
We helped for what? 3 years?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (bss/y)
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They're pacing themselves!
Posted by: Gref at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (aBgBM)
If only we had helped, they would be on the outskirts of Moscow by July!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (mWSu4)
We helped for what? 3 years?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (bss/y)
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They're pacing themselves!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (YqDXo)
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In fact, for all the tough talk, Britain has no effective military at all anymore, outside of its nukes.
Posted by: Tom Servo
The worst thing is that they are openly insisting that if they deployed and were attacked by Russian forces, the US must, MUST! jump in and start a war with Russia.
This is beyond delusional now. The CIA must be off their SSRIs now.
Posted by: Tom Servo
The worst thing is that they are openly insisting that if they deployed and were attacked by Russian forces, the US must, MUST! jump in and start a war with Russia.
This is beyond delusional now. The CIA must be off their SSRIs now.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (mlg/3)
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Its interesting - subways in Japan, China, and Russia are generally safe.
Subways in America are dangerous, and in Europe they are becoming more so.
What's the difference in the first three versus the US and Europe?
Subways in America are dangerous, and in Europe they are becoming more so.
What's the difference in the first three versus the US and Europe?
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 01:06 PM (t0Rmr)
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This war is all about globalists getting rich:
Keep in mind when all of this started, even though Putin is a tyrant, we had the best relationship with Russia in over 100 years.
They said hey lets get Ukraine into NATO, not for any strategic purpose but because of all of the opportunities for graft. Putin said no way, we are at peace.
Then they said hey lets build a near trillion dollar missile defense system in the Ukraine. Putin said no way, we are at peace?
Then they said oh no it is because of the threats from Iran not Russia. Putin said how about you put this defense system in former soviet republic of Azerbaijan on the Caspian sea right across from Iran? And by the way why are you pumping all of this money into Iran if they are threatening you? NATO said no because they hadn't installed a graft machine in Azerbaijan like the one in Ukraine (Zelinsky).
The clock runs out on Obama, and the globalists in NATO and Hillary was supposed to seal the deal and all of the elites were going to celebrate with a massive pedo orgy. Trump comes in and says this missile defense deal is stupid.
4 years later the deal was going to be back on so Putin said fuck this shit.
Keep in mind when all of this started, even though Putin is a tyrant, we had the best relationship with Russia in over 100 years.
They said hey lets get Ukraine into NATO, not for any strategic purpose but because of all of the opportunities for graft. Putin said no way, we are at peace.
Then they said hey lets build a near trillion dollar missile defense system in the Ukraine. Putin said no way, we are at peace?
Then they said oh no it is because of the threats from Iran not Russia. Putin said how about you put this defense system in former soviet republic of Azerbaijan on the Caspian sea right across from Iran? And by the way why are you pumping all of this money into Iran if they are threatening you? NATO said no because they hadn't installed a graft machine in Azerbaijan like the one in Ukraine (Zelinsky).
The clock runs out on Obama, and the globalists in NATO and Hillary was supposed to seal the deal and all of the elites were going to celebrate with a massive pedo orgy. Trump comes in and says this missile defense deal is stupid.
4 years later the deal was going to be back on so Putin said fuck this shit.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at March 02, 2025 01:06 PM (v8lLs)
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In fact, for all the tough talk, Britain has no effective military at all anymore, outside of its nukes.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (SSRw1)
Their nukes? Not the ones aboard their boomers. They might have some tactical firecrackers, though.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (SSRw1)
Their nukes? Not the ones aboard their boomers. They might have some tactical firecrackers, though.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:06 PM (rj6Yv)
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The special mission was designed by an idiot the tuvan shoigu no one in their right mind has taken that route in 300 years
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 02, 2025 01:06 PM (dJR17)
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That being said, The Russian military has lost all pretense of competency. We're now 3 years into a 3 day "Special Military Operation" and even with western weapons in relatively small numbers, the Russians haven't been able to roll through Kiev or Odessa.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (WYStd)
True, but they are consolidating their gains, and there isn't anything Ukraine can do about it. The Russian military failed spectacularly, but they are slowly learning their lessons, and that bodes ill for Ukraine.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:49 PM (mWSu4)
Remember back in 2022, when a Russian army was sitting outside of Kiev? Do you remember how they were "pushed back"? Well, Z signed an agreement with Russia... so Russia left. The Boris Johnson parachuted in, told Z to tear it up, and here we are.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 12:32 PM (WYStd)
True, but they are consolidating their gains, and there isn't anything Ukraine can do about it. The Russian military failed spectacularly, but they are slowly learning their lessons, and that bodes ill for Ukraine.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 12:49 PM (mWSu4)
Remember back in 2022, when a Russian army was sitting outside of Kiev? Do you remember how they were "pushed back"? Well, Z signed an agreement with Russia... so Russia left. The Boris Johnson parachuted in, told Z to tear it up, and here we are.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:06 PM (ExV1e)
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Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 12:23 PM (LkLld
Curious.... Do you see the US pulling troops out of Europe and leaving NATO?
Curious.... Do you see the US pulling troops out of Europe and leaving NATO?
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity Vwench) at March 02, 2025 01:06 PM (4XwPj)
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When you think of it the globalists thought the USA would just fall in line with their plans. Well the euroweenies want a new world order right?
This is it. America first.
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (w4nzS)
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1. America
2. Everybody else.
This is it. America first.
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (w4nzS)
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1. America
2. Everybody else.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:07 PM (YqDXo)
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The worst thing is that they are openly insisting that if they deployed and were attacked by Russian forces, the US must, MUST! jump in and start a war with Russia.
This is exactly what Washington warned about when he said to not make alliances with Europe
The worst thing is that they are openly insisting that if they deployed and were attacked by Russian forces, the US must, MUST! jump in and start a war with Russia.
This is exactly what Washington warned about when he said to not make alliances with Europe
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 01:07 PM (t0Rmr)
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47 Polonium. There's a lot of that going around right now.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:17 PM (dxSpM)
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He was setting up a smoke detector shop and got exposed ......
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:17 PM (dxSpM)
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He was setting up a smoke detector shop and got exposed ......
Posted by: Ciampino missed the landing by an hour at March 02, 2025 01:07 PM (g4sLG)
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It's the American military that is suspect today, not Russia's.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:43 PM (81i8c)
Wow I don't think I've ever read something so disconnected from reality.
"Russia never wanted Kiev" - lets just pretend that there's NOT an armored graveyard on the road to Kiev that was destroyed. I'm sure that not-insignificant loss of tanks and manpower was just an expert Russian diversionary tactic.
And yes, while the US Military hasn't covered itself in glory lately, the Truman is repaired and back in operation, while the Russian aircraft carrier has been in drydock repair for decades and cannot go anywhere without a train of tugboats following after it.
Why don't you ask the "Wagner mercs" in Syrian what they think of the competence of the US Military.
Oh wait. They're all dead.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 01:04 PM (WYStd)
You don't know what you're talking about, dude.
Stop reading corporate media. They're lying to you.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:43 PM (81i8c)
Wow I don't think I've ever read something so disconnected from reality.
"Russia never wanted Kiev" - lets just pretend that there's NOT an armored graveyard on the road to Kiev that was destroyed. I'm sure that not-insignificant loss of tanks and manpower was just an expert Russian diversionary tactic.
And yes, while the US Military hasn't covered itself in glory lately, the Truman is repaired and back in operation, while the Russian aircraft carrier has been in drydock repair for decades and cannot go anywhere without a train of tugboats following after it.
Why don't you ask the "Wagner mercs" in Syrian what they think of the competence of the US Military.
Oh wait. They're all dead.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 01:04 PM (WYStd)
You don't know what you're talking about, dude.
Stop reading corporate media. They're lying to you.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:07 PM (81i8c)
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Bob Woodward is full of shit?? I can't believe it...I shan't believe it!!!
Posted by: Cray Cray at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (EES2L)
I always forget which one was which. Woodward and Bernstein. One was CIA, the other a functional illiterate.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (81i8c)
Embrace the power of "and".
Posted by: Cray Cray at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (EES2L)
I always forget which one was which. Woodward and Bernstein. One was CIA, the other a functional illiterate.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (81i8c)
Embrace the power of "and".
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 02, 2025 01:07 PM (VNX3d)
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I love paying billions for subways I’ll never use. That’s my favorite.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (IZEnm)
If it makes you feel any better, I do use them and they suck. So thanks, but maybe if you threw us a few more dollars we could afford to hire a guy with a pressure washer to clean the platforms.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 01:01 PM (IZEnm)
If it makes you feel any better, I do use them and they suck. So thanks, but maybe if you threw us a few more dollars we could afford to hire a guy with a pressure washer to clean the platforms.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:08 PM (uCjyK)
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Starmer announced his intent to put boots on the ground and planes in the air to protect a non-existent "peace deal".
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:08 PM (2NXcZ)
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Max holland read the woodward papers for his felt bio and they showed how full of it the book and the film was
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 02, 2025 01:08 PM (dJR17)
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The worst thing is that they are openly insisting that if they deployed and were attacked by Russian forces, the US must, MUST! jump in and start a war with Russia.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (mlg/3)
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Eurofags: we'll hold your coat. How's that?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (mlg/3)
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Eurofags: we'll hold your coat. How's that?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:09 PM (YqDXo)
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WEF is desperate for WWIII
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:09 PM (2NXcZ)
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I’ve never been in NYC but the subway was mentioned so I’m curious: Does your typical upper middle class resident of NYC regularly use the subway to get around. Or do the well to do use cars and avoid the subway?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 01:09 PM (nrfI8)
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Starmer announced his intent to put boots fuzzy slippers on the ground
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:09 PM (YqDXo)
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Resolved: Edward I was the good guy in Braveheart
discuss
Posted by: Savage Henry
1. Killed a homo.
2. Killed a lot of Irish.
3.Nearly killed a French Princess.
Batting .667
Resolved: Edward I was the good guy in Braveheart
discuss
Posted by: Savage Henry
1. Killed a homo.
2. Killed a lot of Irish.
3.Nearly killed a French Princess.
Batting .667
Posted by: Auspex at March 02, 2025 01:09 PM (j4U/Z)
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>>>But now, wherever American power is projected on the globe, just put the glasses on. You see it for what it really is.
Posted by: BurtTC
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We could have spent a lot less money and actually done good.
But they weren't in it for good; otherwise Venezuela would be a jewel.
Posted by: BurtTC
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We could have spent a lot less money and actually done good.
But they weren't in it for good; otherwise Venezuela would be a jewel.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 01:09 PM (IkhKe)
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The one at deir er zeur on the iraqi border were most assuredlt dead
They were relegated to scut work in sudan and libya
They were relegated to scut work in sudan and libya
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (dJR17)
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Well done.
Posted by: Ordinary American at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (ZlOcj)
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And there's nothing that we can do to change that attitude. Anti-Americanism is the herpes of the Eurotrash class. It might express itself more or less, but it never goes away. They hate us now with Trump, but they hated us only a little less under Obama.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (dxSpM)
Well the only effective response is to bitch slap them a few times and make them say thank you sir may I have another?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 02, 2025 12:54 PM (dxSpM)
Well the only effective response is to bitch slap them a few times and make them say thank you sir may I have another?
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (SSRw1)
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Waaaaahh ! The White House staff ate my lunch!!
Posted by: Super Z !!!! at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (rj6Yv)
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Has Trump said anything about the stolen election in Romania yet? Because this is actually really more important then the negotiations in Ukraine.
If Trump lets it go the Euro-elites will assume they have carte blanche to invalidate any election whose results they don't like. If Trump starts intervening the squealing you will hear will dwarf that of him telling lil Z to get his shinebox
If Trump lets it go the Euro-elites will assume they have carte blanche to invalidate any election whose results they don't like. If Trump starts intervening the squealing you will hear will dwarf that of him telling lil Z to get his shinebox
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (t0Rmr)
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I worry about France and UK's nuke stockpiles while those countries are being overrun by mohammedans
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (AOsQT)
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Except there's that pesky matter of the kid who was murdered.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (81i8c)
Involuntary manslaughter. Wasn't the guy who killed him black? Plead down to jaywalking. Confined to quarters for 24 hours. Court adjourned. -- If the movie had been set during the Biden administration
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:52 PM (81i8c)
Involuntary manslaughter. Wasn't the guy who killed him black? Plead down to jaywalking. Confined to quarters for 24 hours. Court adjourned. -- If the movie had been set during the Biden administration
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (ExV1e)
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If Russia retaliates against a UK attack, we MUST send a strongly worded letter. It's the best we can do.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:11 PM (2NXcZ)
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304 Waaaaahh ! The White House staff ate my lunch!!
Posted by: Super Z !!!! at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (rj6Yv)
Figuratively and literally
Posted by: Super Z !!!! at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (rj6Yv)
Figuratively and literally
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 01:11 PM (VE6XX)
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Bob Woodward is full of shit?? I can't believe it...I shan't believe it!!!
Posted by: Cray Cray at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (EES2L)
I always forget which one was which. Woodward and Bernstein. One was CIA, the other a functional illiterate.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (81i8c)
Embrace the power of "and".
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 02, 2025 01:07 PM (VNX3d)
One of them had been Naval intelligence, before joining the Agency.
Neither of them were "journalists" though. Still aren't.
Posted by: Cray Cray at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (EES2L)
I always forget which one was which. Woodward and Bernstein. One was CIA, the other a functional illiterate.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (81i8c)
Embrace the power of "and".
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 02, 2025 01:07 PM (VNX3d)
One of them had been Naval intelligence, before joining the Agency.
Neither of them were "journalists" though. Still aren't.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:11 PM (81i8c)
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Does your typical upper middle class resident of NYC regularly use the subway to get around. Or do the well to do use cars and avoid the subway?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 01:09 PM (nrfI
The well to do take taxis or Ubers.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 01:09 PM (nrfI
The well to do take taxis or Ubers.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 01:11 PM (IZEnm)
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Also, when do we get an arrest warrant for lil Z based on the murder of Gonzalo Lira who was an American citizen?
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 01:12 PM (t0Rmr)
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Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 01:04 PM (WYStd)
Russia can make Kiev a pile of rubble with Oreshnik within and hour, like yesterday. Without leaving Russian territory. And definitely from Belorussia. There is no missile defense that is able to counter it, and yet Kiev is not a pile of rubble. Because of the great Ukranian patriots and the Ghost of Kiev.
Russia can make Kiev a pile of rubble with Oreshnik within and hour, like yesterday. Without leaving Russian territory. And definitely from Belorussia. There is no missile defense that is able to counter it, and yet Kiev is not a pile of rubble. Because of the great Ukranian patriots and the Ghost of Kiev.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:12 PM (g47mK)
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>>just a Harvard mouth in a faggoty white uniform
Nice. Way to disrespect all the morons here who wore that uniform (or the enlisted equivalent).
Nice. Way to disrespect all the morons here who wore that uniform (or the enlisted equivalent).
Posted by: one hour sober at March 02, 2025 01:12 PM (Y1sOo)
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Involuntary manslaughter. Wasn't the guy who killed him black? Plead down to jaywalking. Confined to quarters for 24 hours. Court adjourned. -- If the movie had been set during the Biden administration
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (ExV1e)
There was the other dude, who was... eh, mentally challenged.
So yeah, both DEI Marines.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (ExV1e)
There was the other dude, who was... eh, mentally challenged.
So yeah, both DEI Marines.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:13 PM (81i8c)
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My point is simple: A Pox On Both Their Houses!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
+1
Not my circus, not my monkeys.
But there sure are a lot of monkeys running countries, lately.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
+1
Not my circus, not my monkeys.
But there sure are a lot of monkeys running countries, lately.
Posted by: mikeski at March 02, 2025 01:13 PM (DgGvY)
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We helped for what? 3 years?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (bss/y)
"Helped" in drips and drabs. Remember that feckless coward Kirby was scared to death of the incessant threats of nuclear war that the Russians spout off on their nightly news broadcasts *literally every night* and so didn't want to "provoke" or "escalate" by letting the Ukrainians use ATACMS to shoot Russian-based staging areas, or wouldn't provide cluster munitions during the Aardiivka onsalught (or was it the Bakhmut stalemate, I can't remember). The help came but it didn't come when and where it was needed while the war was in a state in which outcomes could be something other than the stalemate we have now.
Last I checked (which admittedly was months ago), we sent ~31 old ass M1 Abrams tanks. Yippee. 30 tanks isn't going to do sh*t even if they're crewed by the best tank aces in the world and have reactive adamantium armor.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (bss/y)
"Helped" in drips and drabs. Remember that feckless coward Kirby was scared to death of the incessant threats of nuclear war that the Russians spout off on their nightly news broadcasts *literally every night* and so didn't want to "provoke" or "escalate" by letting the Ukrainians use ATACMS to shoot Russian-based staging areas, or wouldn't provide cluster munitions during the Aardiivka onsalught (or was it the Bakhmut stalemate, I can't remember). The help came but it didn't come when and where it was needed while the war was in a state in which outcomes could be something other than the stalemate we have now.
Last I checked (which admittedly was months ago), we sent ~31 old ass M1 Abrams tanks. Yippee. 30 tanks isn't going to do sh*t even if they're crewed by the best tank aces in the world and have reactive adamantium armor.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 01:13 PM (WYStd)
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Consider we lost to goat f*ckers in 'Stan whose only ally was Pakistan. If Russia wins this war, with massive western aid to Ukraine, they'll have proven to have a more competent military leadership than we have.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 12:58 PM (t0Rmr)
Ouch!
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 12:58 PM (t0Rmr)
Ouch!
Posted by: General Jim Mattis, Closeted Homosexual Deviant at March 02, 2025 01:13 PM (R/m4+)
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Involuntary manslaughter. Wasn't the guy who killed him black? Plead down to jaywalking. Confined to quarters for 24 hours. Court adjourned. -- If the movie had been set during the Biden administration
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (ExV1e)
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Then promote the black guy to at least a field-grade officer. Hell, maybe put him on the JCS.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (ExV1e)
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Then promote the black guy to at least a field-grade officer. Hell, maybe put him on the JCS.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:13 PM (YqDXo)
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Thank you, PDJT!
For kicking that little gopnik out like he deserved.
Soooo fking sick of pUkraine.
For kicking that little gopnik out like he deserved.
Soooo fking sick of pUkraine.
Posted by: JQ at March 02, 2025 01:14 PM (rdVOm)
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Also, when do we get an arrest warrant for lil Z based on the murder of Gonzalo Lira who was an American citizen?
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 01:12 PM (t0Rmr)
Sadly, I'd forgotten about him.
They could have put the cuffs on Zima, right there in the White House.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 01:12 PM (t0Rmr)
Sadly, I'd forgotten about him.
They could have put the cuffs on Zima, right there in the White House.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:14 PM (81i8c)
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VDH on what went wrong.
VDH is willfully blind to the Obama influence. The same cabal of traitors and war makers: Nuland, Blinken, Rice, et al manipulated Zelenskyy into let his inner cocaine self outthinking projecting that Trump would stop being the greatest negotiator and turn into a triggered snowflake.
JD Vance was there to keep the WEF/Deep State/Globalists from faking a Trump melt-down.
VDH is willfully blind to the Obama influence. The same cabal of traitors and war makers: Nuland, Blinken, Rice, et al manipulated Zelenskyy into let his inner cocaine self out
JD Vance was there to keep the WEF/Deep State/Globalists from faking a Trump melt-down.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 02, 2025 01:14 PM (a4flb)
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Apparently, NYC loses billions every year because they allow fare jumping. More than they would make up w/congestion tolls.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (Cki93)
The subway system is run from Albany. NYC has basically no say in how the MTA runs. In fact, Adams and his administration were against congestion pricing because it very obviously directly affects the middle class of NYC.
But the MTA loses money because it's designed to lose money. I'm sure stopping fare evasion would be helpful, but they'd still lose money.
Politicians need there to be a constant, visual, dire need for them to demand more money from the tax payers. In many states, they do that with poor roads or other poor services.
In NYC, it's a subway system that is hilariously horribly run and will never, under any circumstances, be allowed to be fixed. Because then Albany can't use that giant MTA budget as a slush fund to enrich themselves and their cronies while constantly demanding more money.
I joked about it, but literally buying a pressure washer at home depot and sending 2 guys in the middle of the night to clean platforms would make a huge improvement. They'll never do it.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2025 01:05 PM (Cki93)
The subway system is run from Albany. NYC has basically no say in how the MTA runs. In fact, Adams and his administration were against congestion pricing because it very obviously directly affects the middle class of NYC.
But the MTA loses money because it's designed to lose money. I'm sure stopping fare evasion would be helpful, but they'd still lose money.
Politicians need there to be a constant, visual, dire need for them to demand more money from the tax payers. In many states, they do that with poor roads or other poor services.
In NYC, it's a subway system that is hilariously horribly run and will never, under any circumstances, be allowed to be fixed. Because then Albany can't use that giant MTA budget as a slush fund to enrich themselves and their cronies while constantly demanding more money.
I joked about it, but literally buying a pressure washer at home depot and sending 2 guys in the middle of the night to clean platforms would make a huge improvement. They'll never do it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:14 PM (uCjyK)
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We learned nothing from Afghanistan. We should let Russia occupy Eastern Ukraine.
Occupying Eastern Ukraine would be a constant drain on Russia. Resources. They would be in a quagmire for decades. Giggitty.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at March 02, 2025 12:55 PM (7lCFg)
Would that be the same eastern Ukraine filled with ethnic Russians who voted to separate from Ukraine when the coup happened and then voted to join Russia? That eastern Ukraine? Not sure where the quagmire comes in.
Occupying Eastern Ukraine would be a constant drain on Russia. Resources. They would be in a quagmire for decades. Giggitty.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at March 02, 2025 12:55 PM (7lCFg)
Would that be the same eastern Ukraine filled with ethnic Russians who voted to separate from Ukraine when the coup happened and then voted to join Russia? That eastern Ukraine? Not sure where the quagmire comes in.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:15 PM (ExV1e)
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My wish for this week.
Watching Scott Pressler humiliate a CNN panel chirping in unison that Trump wants Putin to overrun Europe. The Leftists have never attempted to explain, "What's in that for Trump?"
The answer is nothing. The Left's entire case for Trump selling-out Europe to Putin is, "OrangeManBad!!!!!!!"
Watching Scott Pressler humiliate a CNN panel chirping in unison that Trump wants Putin to overrun Europe. The Leftists have never attempted to explain, "What's in that for Trump?"
The answer is nothing. The Left's entire case for Trump selling-out Europe to Putin is, "OrangeManBad!!!!!!!"
Posted by: Gref at March 02, 2025 01:15 PM (aBgBM)
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Finally, the truth about covid comes out!
Eyal Yakoby@EYakoby
BREAKING: Former MSNBC host Joy Reid allegedly went on a vile antisemitic rant, blaming Orthodox Jews for COVID-19 and claiming they “only care about themselves,” according to a former assistant at the network.
This is the same woman who constantly lectures others about racism.
Eyal Yakoby@EYakoby
BREAKING: Former MSNBC host Joy Reid allegedly went on a vile antisemitic rant, blaming Orthodox Jews for COVID-19 and claiming they “only care about themselves,” according to a former assistant at the network.
This is the same woman who constantly lectures others about racism.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at March 02, 2025 01:15 PM (L/fGl)
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When I see a Ukrainian flag I think to myself, "Meh! It's no Rothko..."
Posted by: muldoon at March 02, 2025 01:15 PM (/iMjX)
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The Euro "elites" aren't. Any more than ours are.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:16 PM (YqDXo)
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The quote was not "He chose badly." It was "He chose poorly."
Posted by: no one of any consequence at March 02, 2025 01:16 PM (ZmEVT)
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I worry about France and UK's nuke stockpiles while those countries are being overrun by mohammedans
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (AOsQT)
Beneath The Planet Of The Apes 2: Glowing Raghead Boogaloo.
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 01:10 PM (AOsQT)
Beneath The Planet Of The Apes 2: Glowing Raghead Boogaloo.
Posted by: General Ursus at March 02, 2025 01:16 PM (R/m4+)
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Most subways (aside from Japan) I would pay not to ride them.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (bss/y)
London and Paris are great.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 01:03 PM (bss/y)
London and Paris are great.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 01:16 PM (mWSu4)
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I've read that the Norwegian government has tried to "ease concerns" about the USS Viginia refueling incident.
I don't see an apology. I'd advise kicking every Norwegian in uniform currently in the US (not the attaches) out of the US immediately- those in training billets, maintenance, on leave, all of them, until we get that apology.
I don't see an apology. I'd advise kicking every Norwegian in uniform currently in the US (not the attaches) out of the US immediately- those in training billets, maintenance, on leave, all of them, until we get that apology.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:17 PM (rj6Yv)
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The stations on the Second Avenue line were opened about 10 years ago. The most expensive and nicest stations in the history of subways.
They're all gross, the walls are covered in brake dust from the trains, the floors are all disgusting. In another 10 years, you'd never know these stations were supposed to be the "nice stations."
They sweep the floors, I guess, but that's about it as far as cleaning / maintenance goes. Plus, of course, the homeless people living there don't seem too concerned with cleaning up after themselves either.
They're all gross, the walls are covered in brake dust from the trains, the floors are all disgusting. In another 10 years, you'd never know these stations were supposed to be the "nice stations."
They sweep the floors, I guess, but that's about it as far as cleaning / maintenance goes. Plus, of course, the homeless people living there don't seem too concerned with cleaning up after themselves either.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:17 PM (uCjyK)
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I never understood the mentality of not taking your own garbage out of the parks.
Pack it in, pack it out. The parks are not responsible for paying to dispose of your garbage. I don't need an on premise gift shop, I can buy my national park patch online.
We do need rangers for campsite monitoring (because people are assholes) and for safety and trail maintenance. The education stuff is fun, but again, folks could access from an online, self guided tour.
I love our parks and I use them. I don't want to see them go away, but people need to take a shared responsibility for accessing them. It's an attitude adjustment far past due.
Pack it in, pack it out. The parks are not responsible for paying to dispose of your garbage. I don't need an on premise gift shop, I can buy my national park patch online.
We do need rangers for campsite monitoring (because people are assholes) and for safety and trail maintenance. The education stuff is fun, but again, folks could access from an online, self guided tour.
I love our parks and I use them. I don't want to see them go away, but people need to take a shared responsibility for accessing them. It's an attitude adjustment far past due.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 02, 2025 01:17 PM (XA4WA)
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326 Finally, the truth about covid comes out!
Eyal Yakoby@EYakoby
BREAKING: Former MSNBC host Joy Reid allegedly went on a vile antisemitic rant, blaming Orthodox Jews for COVID-19 and claiming they “only care about themselves,” according to a former assistant at the network.
This is the same woman who constantly lectures others about racism.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at March 02, 2025 01:15 PM (L/fGl)
Israel had the highest vaxx compliance, no? I would say that is compelling evidence that they were as much/if not more duped than everyone else.
Eyal Yakoby@EYakoby
BREAKING: Former MSNBC host Joy Reid allegedly went on a vile antisemitic rant, blaming Orthodox Jews for COVID-19 and claiming they “only care about themselves,” according to a former assistant at the network.
This is the same woman who constantly lectures others about racism.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at March 02, 2025 01:15 PM (L/fGl)
Israel had the highest vaxx compliance, no? I would say that is compelling evidence that they were as much/if not more duped than everyone else.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 02, 2025 01:17 PM (bss/y)
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>>Starmer announced his intent to put boots on the ground and planes in the air to protect a non-existent "peace deal".
He's going to out-Merkel replacement of his citizenry.
Send able-bodied young British men to the Ukraine war meatgrinder, while allowing hordes of able-bodied foreign, muslim men rapek kill and pillage what's left of the UK.
He's going to out-Merkel replacement of his citizenry.
Send able-bodied young British men to the Ukraine war meatgrinder, while allowing hordes of able-bodied foreign, muslim men rapek kill and pillage what's left of the UK.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2025 01:17 PM (Cki93)
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The Left turned antagonistic when Putin stopped adoption of Russian infants by American faggots. That tore it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (YqDXo)
Pretty much. Along with his legal restrictions on homosexuality and his embrace of Christianity.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:02 PM (YqDXo)
Pretty much. Along with his legal restrictions on homosexuality and his embrace of Christianity.
Posted by: Ordinary American at March 02, 2025 01:17 PM (ZlOcj)
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Resolved: Edward I was the good guy in Braveheart
discuss
Posted by: Savage Henry
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I say the same thing about Green Goblin/Norman Osborne in Spider-man (2002):
-Single father taking his son to school personally and pushing him to get good grades.
-Successful business man who employees thousand of people
-Offered a leg up to a youth on hard times
-Taught a valuable lesson to his son about the dangers of pretty women
-Killed a corrupt General who looked suspiciously a lot like "white rage" Milley
-Killed his backstabbing company board who sold the founder of the company out just to squeeze more dimes from nickels.
Resolved: Edward I was the good guy in Braveheart
discuss
Posted by: Savage Henry
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I say the same thing about Green Goblin/Norman Osborne in Spider-man (2002):
-Single father taking his son to school personally and pushing him to get good grades.
-Successful business man who employees thousand of people
-Offered a leg up to a youth on hard times
-Taught a valuable lesson to his son about the dangers of pretty women
-Killed a corrupt General who looked suspiciously a lot like "white rage" Milley
-Killed his backstabbing company board who sold the founder of the company out just to squeeze more dimes from nickels.
Posted by: Cray Cray at March 02, 2025 01:17 PM (EES2L)
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" ... Yeah. The part that baffled me was Trump giving Zelensky a forum to try to double cross him. I'd like to believe Trump could spot something that and stop it before happens. ... "
try? and fail, lol.
no narrative to be spun, just truth out in the public eye, this is part of the true inner meaning of Trumpmas Every Day.
try? and fail, lol.
no narrative to be spun, just truth out in the public eye, this is part of the true inner meaning of Trumpmas Every Day.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 02, 2025 01:17 PM (RP0h0)
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Would that be the same eastern Ukraine filled with ethnic Russians who voted to separate from Ukraine when the coup happened and then voted to join Russia? That eastern Ukraine? Not sure where the quagmire comes in.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:15 PM (ExV1e)
Yeah, I'd have to look at a map to figure out where Eastern Ukraine really is. Probably within spitting distance of Kiev.
But the territory Russia now occupies? That's more accurately described as Western Russia.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:15 PM (ExV1e)
Yeah, I'd have to look at a map to figure out where Eastern Ukraine really is. Probably within spitting distance of Kiev.
But the territory Russia now occupies? That's more accurately described as Western Russia.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:17 PM (81i8c)
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I have a neighbor a few doors down with bough. Ukistani flag and the trans flag proudly flying. Oh and guess which neighbor also never shovels the snow from the sidewalk in front of their house like they’re supposed to?
I try to make my dogs take a shit on their lawn as often as I can. And do t pick it up.
I try to make my dogs take a shit on their lawn as often as I can. And do t pick it up.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 02, 2025 01:18 PM (IZEnm)
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I guess SNL did a stupid skit about it....
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 01:18 PM (VE6XX)
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I joked about it, but literally buying a pressure washer at home depot and sending 2 guys in the middle of the night to clean platforms would make a huge improvement. They'll never do it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:14 PM (uCjyK)
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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:14 PM (uCjyK)
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Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:18 PM (YqDXo)
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BREAKING: Former MSNBC host Joy Reid allegedly went on a vile antisemitic rant, blaming Orthodox Jews for COVID-19 and claiming they “only care about themselves,” according to a former assistant at the network.
This is the same woman who constantly lectures others about racism
Leftist Jews view themselves as an oppressed ethnic minority (they sure as hell aren't religions), but every other leftist group views them as uber white devils
This is the same woman who constantly lectures others about racism
Leftist Jews view themselves as an oppressed ethnic minority (they sure as hell aren't religions), but every other leftist group views them as uber white devils
Posted by: 18-1 at March 02, 2025 01:18 PM (t0Rmr)
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Woodward was Navy intel before he went undercover.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 01:19 PM (IkhKe)
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Common Tater on the Tech thread:
212 Does anyone else get the sense from watching that interview that the Z man is a cocaine or methamphetamine user? He has certain mannerisms, runny nose, nervous tics and facial expressions that sort of indicate “drug addict”
h/t sal on A♠ Sat Morn Open Thread:
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?
post=413873#c40866494
Hit The Road, Zel, Or: Cocaine Is A Hell Of A Drug
https://tinyurl.com/49vtymnm
The obvious comment of the colleagues after the career-terminating event, “what on earth made him think he could get away with it” becomes extremely clear once it becomes known that the guy in question sniffed. At that point, everything makes sense, because a cocaine addict is a person outwardly perfectly the master of himself, and inwardly geared for self-destruction.…
212 Does anyone else get the sense from watching that interview that the Z man is a cocaine or methamphetamine user? He has certain mannerisms, runny nose, nervous tics and facial expressions that sort of indicate “drug addict”
h/t sal on A♠ Sat Morn Open Thread:
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?
post=413873#c40866494
Hit The Road, Zel, Or: Cocaine Is A Hell Of A Drug
https://tinyurl.com/49vtymnm
The obvious comment of the colleagues after the career-terminating event, “what on earth made him think he could get away with it” becomes extremely clear once it becomes known that the guy in question sniffed. At that point, everything makes sense, because a cocaine addict is a person outwardly perfectly the master of himself, and inwardly geared for self-destruction.…
Posted by: mindful webworker - snort at March 02, 2025 01:19 PM (+8KQX)
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And now, a word from Dr. Carville . . .
Collin Rugg@CollinRugg
James Carville says he thinks Trump has Syphilis because of his argument with Zelensky in the Oval Office.
“It could be a combination of being a fat slob… we should revisit the possibility of a Syphilis diagnosis.”
Lmao. This man is completely broken.
Collin Rugg@CollinRugg
James Carville says he thinks Trump has Syphilis because of his argument with Zelensky in the Oval Office.
“It could be a combination of being a fat slob… we should revisit the possibility of a Syphilis diagnosis.”
Lmao. This man is completely broken.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier for the Persistence at March 02, 2025 01:19 PM (L/fGl)
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>>In NYC, it's a subway system that is hilariously horribly run and will never, under any circumstances, be allowed to be fixed. Because then Albany can't use that giant MTA budget as a slush fund to enrich themselves and their cronies while constantly demanding more money.
Ah! Had no idea about this - thanks!
Ah! Had no idea about this - thanks!
Posted by: Lizzy at March 02, 2025 01:19 PM (Cki93)
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How is the collective defense worded in NATO? Does the attack have to be on a NATO country's soil or does it just have to be an attack on a few soldiers? Because I don't see sending British troops with their standard 4 rounds of ammo into Ukraine and they are attacked as being any of the USA's concern. In fact, such a tripwire like that would be reasonable grounds to leave the American taxpayer sucking organization immediately.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at March 02, 2025 01:20 PM (17s+e)
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Remember, only YOU can prevent forest fires!
Posted by: zombie Smokey the Bear at March 02, 2025 01:20 PM (a3Q+t)
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JD and Trump had to know Zelenskyy had just left the meeting with Dems and Nevertrumpers before coming to the oval office. After watching the full meeting video Zelenskyy didn't get really disrespectful at the meeting. JD and Trump seemed to have over reacted maybe because they were prepissed off. Zelenskyy must have ran his mouth and may have revealed his true intentions at the premeeting. Good old Chuck Grassley was there and I think he may have passed the info to the WH.
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 01:20 PM (w4nzS)
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JD Vance was there to keep the WEF/Deep State/Globalists from faking a Trump melt-down.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 02, 2025 01:14 PM (a4flb)
The best POTUS-VP lineup in my lifetime, perhaps in American history.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 02, 2025 01:14 PM (a4flb)
The best POTUS-VP lineup in my lifetime, perhaps in American history.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:20 PM (rj6Yv)
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Remember that feckless coward Kirby was scared to death of the incessant threats of nuclear war that the Russians spout off on their nightly news broadcasts
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 01:13 PM (WYStd)
The Soviets were masters at manipulating American public opinion, and the Russians still have some skill at it.
Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 01:13 PM (WYStd)
The Soviets were masters at manipulating American public opinion, and the Russians still have some skill at it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 02, 2025 01:20 PM (mWSu4)
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Eyal Yakoby@EYakoby
BREAKING: Former MSNBC host Joy Reid allegedly went on a vile antisemitic rant, blaming Orthodox Jews for COVID-19 and claiming they “only care about themselves,” according to a former assistant at the network.
_________________
It's amazing she's out of work.
BREAKING: Former MSNBC host Joy Reid allegedly went on a vile antisemitic rant, blaming Orthodox Jews for COVID-19 and claiming they “only care about themselves,” according to a former assistant at the network.
_________________
It's amazing she's out of work.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:21 PM (YqDXo)
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I love our parks and I use them. I don't want to see them go away, but people need to take a shared responsibility for accessing them. It's an attitude adjustment far past due.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 02, 2025 01:17 PM (XA4WA)
I always try not to make any blanket statements about any group of humans. We're all human, after all.
But the problem with the American National Parks is the Chinese tourists. They overrun the parks like locusts, are rude and demanding, and are the ones who are trampling on the delicate flora that our CLEARLY MARKED signs say not to walk on.
I don't doubt most of the trash left behind is left by them.
They shouldn't be allowed in our NP's. Period.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 02, 2025 01:17 PM (XA4WA)
I always try not to make any blanket statements about any group of humans. We're all human, after all.
But the problem with the American National Parks is the Chinese tourists. They overrun the parks like locusts, are rude and demanding, and are the ones who are trampling on the delicate flora that our CLEARLY MARKED signs say not to walk on.
I don't doubt most of the trash left behind is left by them.
They shouldn't be allowed in our NP's. Period.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:21 PM (81i8c)
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Both Trump and JD did great. Guys, if you only knew how this reverberated around the world, the commentary in the info space, from Europe especially. Some even brought in specialists to decipher the body language !
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:22 PM (g47mK)
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297 I’ve never been in NYC but the subway was mentioned so I’m curious: Does your typical upper middle class resident of NYC regularly use the subway to get around. Or do the well to do use cars and avoid the subway?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 01:09 PM (nrfI
Depends how you define upper middle class resident, but I'd say yes.
Driving in Manhattan is impractical, parking is a massive pain in the ass. So your options are ubers, taxis, or public transportation.
Most of us would find it wasteful to spend $100 a day or whatever ubering to and from work.
Now the truly wealthy have parking garages at work and at home and/or have drivers that drive them.
But a spot in a parking garage in my neighborhood runs just shy of $1,000 a month for a small SUV.
I street park my car, which involves moving it 4 days a week (long story, but I have a system in place that mostly works), but unless I'm leaving the city, I don't drive it anywhere in Manhattan. Subway / busses for 90% of my intra-city travel unless I'm going somewhere in the Bronx or Queens where parking is easier and there isn't great public transportation. Or Staten Island I guess, although I almost never go there
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 01:09 PM (nrfI
Depends how you define upper middle class resident, but I'd say yes.
Driving in Manhattan is impractical, parking is a massive pain in the ass. So your options are ubers, taxis, or public transportation.
Most of us would find it wasteful to spend $100 a day or whatever ubering to and from work.
Now the truly wealthy have parking garages at work and at home and/or have drivers that drive them.
But a spot in a parking garage in my neighborhood runs just shy of $1,000 a month for a small SUV.
I street park my car, which involves moving it 4 days a week (long story, but I have a system in place that mostly works), but unless I'm leaving the city, I don't drive it anywhere in Manhattan. Subway / busses for 90% of my intra-city travel unless I'm going somewhere in the Bronx or Queens where parking is easier and there isn't great public transportation. Or Staten Island I guess, although I almost never go there
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:22 PM (uCjyK)
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The best POTUS-VP lineup in my lifetime, perhaps in American history.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:20 PM (rj6Yv)
It was hilarious to watch Trump and Vance work a tag team together, tapping each other in and out. It was like watching Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday at the OK Corral. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Pres and a VP work together and support each other this well.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:20 PM (rj6Yv)
It was hilarious to watch Trump and Vance work a tag team together, tapping each other in and out. It was like watching Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday at the OK Corral. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Pres and a VP work together and support each other this well.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:23 PM (SSRw1)
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In NYC, it's a subway system that is hilariously horribly run and will never, under any circumstances, be allowed to be fixed. Because then Albany can't use that giant MTA budget as a slush fund to enrich themselves and their cronies while constantly demanding more money.
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Sic semper with government entities.
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Sic semper with government entities.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:23 PM (YqDXo)
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Trump should offer to pay the air fare to Kiev for any American citizen that meets whatever qualifications Ukraine has for serving in its military.
Ukraine put a guy with Downs on the front line. Gave him a stick instead of a rifle. Other than being related to an oligarch, I'm not sure how you could be disqualified.
https://tinyurl.com/5yacrx3j+
Also, military recruiting, Ukraine style:
https://tinyurl.com/2jh2tes4+
Ukraine put a guy with Downs on the front line. Gave him a stick instead of a rifle. Other than being related to an oligarch, I'm not sure how you could be disqualified.
https://tinyurl.com/5yacrx3j+
Also, military recruiting, Ukraine style:
https://tinyurl.com/2jh2tes4+
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:23 PM (ExV1e)
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Only the Uber Lyft rich can avoid the subways. More people ride the 4/5/6 lines daily than live in many states.
The fare is 3.75$. 250MM people would have to jump the turnstiles to get a billion dollar loss. If you pay for the bus and then hop the subway, that is a free transfer. Turnstile jumping is a minor loss when compared to pensions and healthcare.
The fare is 3.75$. 250MM people would have to jump the turnstiles to get a billion dollar loss. If you pay for the bus and then hop the subway, that is a free transfer. Turnstile jumping is a minor loss when compared to pensions and healthcare.
Posted by: Accomack at March 02, 2025 01:24 PM (dJCmT)
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Woodward was Navy intel before he went undercover.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 01:19 PM (IkhKe)
Yeah, I knew one of them was, but I can never remember which is which. Woodward has written a bunch of books, often filled with incredible lies. He shows up on talk shows too. Or he used to.
I don't know what the other one does. Probably lives in a group home, playing with choo choos all day.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 01:19 PM (IkhKe)
Yeah, I knew one of them was, but I can never remember which is which. Woodward has written a bunch of books, often filled with incredible lies. He shows up on talk shows too. Or he used to.
I don't know what the other one does. Probably lives in a group home, playing with choo choos all day.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:24 PM (81i8c)
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Does anyone know how to say in Ukrainian, "When you are in somebody else's house; don't piss on the carpet?"
I believe that would be:
"Коли ти в чужому домі, не мочись на килим?"
Pronounced:
"Koly ty v chuzhomu domi, ne mochysʹ na kylym?"
I believe that would be:
"Коли ти в чужому домі, не мочись на килим?"
Pronounced:
"Koly ty v chuzhomu domi, ne mochysʹ na kylym?"
Posted by: Sharkman at March 02, 2025 01:24 PM (/RHNq)
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Most of us would find it wasteful to spend $100 a day or whatever ubering to and from work.
Now the truly wealthy have parking garages at work and at home and/or have drivers that drive them.
But a spot in a parking garage in my neighborhood runs just shy of $1,000 a month for a small SUV.
I street park my car, which involves moving it 4 days a week (long story, but I have a system in place that mostly works), but unless I'm leaving the city, I don't drive it anywhere in Manhattan. Subway / busses for 90% of my intra-city travel unless I'm going somewhere in the Bronx or Queens where parking is easier and there isn't great public transportation. Or Staten Island I guess, although I almost never go there
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:22 PM (uCjyK)
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I can see the attraction of living in NYC.
Now the truly wealthy have parking garages at work and at home and/or have drivers that drive them.
But a spot in a parking garage in my neighborhood runs just shy of $1,000 a month for a small SUV.
I street park my car, which involves moving it 4 days a week (long story, but I have a system in place that mostly works), but unless I'm leaving the city, I don't drive it anywhere in Manhattan. Subway / busses for 90% of my intra-city travel unless I'm going somewhere in the Bronx or Queens where parking is easier and there isn't great public transportation. Or Staten Island I guess, although I almost never go there
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:22 PM (uCjyK)
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I can see the attraction of living in NYC.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:24 PM (YqDXo)
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Nice. Way to disrespect all the morons here who wore that uniform (or the enlisted equivalent).
Posted by: one hour sober at March 02, 2025 01:12 PM (Y1sOo)
You misunderstand. That was a quote of Col Jessup from the movie
Posted by: one hour sober at March 02, 2025 01:12 PM (Y1sOo)
You misunderstand. That was a quote of Col Jessup from the movie
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 01:25 PM (HSqCq)
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On the world stage yes Trump is a greedy pig, but he is our greedy pig and plus he shares.
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 01:25 PM (w4nzS)
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I heard something from an Israeli political commentator, will not reveal his name, that said something like even when the country is the one that starts a war, it is not necessarily the aggressor. As an example he cited one of Israels attacks on Egyptian and other arab forces assembling to strike Israel.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:25 PM (g47mK)
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Whatever your mode of NYC transport, the quest for quality salsa is futile.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (a3Q+t)
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez@AOC
This guy [Musk] is a leech on the public. No matter how many billions he gets in tax cuts and government contracts, it will never be enough for him.
Now he’s going after the elderly, the disabled, and orphaned children so he can pocket it in tax cuts for himself.
It’s disgusting.
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You go, girl! I mean, get gone!
This guy [Musk] is a leech on the public. No matter how many billions he gets in tax cuts and government contracts, it will never be enough for him.
Now he’s going after the elderly, the disabled, and orphaned children so he can pocket it in tax cuts for himself.
It’s disgusting.
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You go, girl! I mean, get gone!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier for the Persistence at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (L/fGl)
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Donald Trump and JD Vance didn't "over react". The President has invested a lot of time working out a deal with the Russians and other parties and all he needed was a signature. It is very difficult for me to believe that Zelensky would be invited to a public meeting in the Oval Office in front of the press without ironclad assurances that Zelensky was prepared to sign on the dotted line.
Zelensky intended to publicly embarrass the President for political purposes.
Zelensky intended to publicly embarrass the President for political purposes.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (rj6Yv)
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347 And now, a word from Dr. Carville . . .
Collin Rugg@CollinRugg
James Carville says he thinks Trump has Syphilis because of his argument with Zelensky in the Oval Office.
“It could be a combination of being a fat slob… we should revisit the possibility of a Syphilis diagnosis.”
Lmao. This man is completely broken.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier for the Persistence at March 02, 2025 01:19 PM (L/fGl)
This says more about snakehead than Trump.
Lead your best life james!
Collin Rugg@CollinRugg
James Carville says he thinks Trump has Syphilis because of his argument with Zelensky in the Oval Office.
“It could be a combination of being a fat slob… we should revisit the possibility of a Syphilis diagnosis.”
Lmao. This man is completely broken.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier for the Persistence at March 02, 2025 01:19 PM (L/fGl)
This says more about snakehead than Trump.
Lead your best life james!
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (OA79/)
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Bernsteins on blue sky i think
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 02, 2025 01:27 PM (dJR17)
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Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 01:20 PM (w4nzS)
I don't think Trump overreacted at all. Zelensky was there to sign a deal, then after a reporter asked Trump about security guarantees (aka American boots on the ground), Trump demurred on the question, said he wanted to finalize a cease fire first.
Zelensky then jumped in, talked over Trump, and said there would be no deal without security guarantees.
So he just told Trump to go fuck himself, publicly rebuked him, and said he was not signing the deal. Which was the whole point of him going to DC and sitting at that presser. So he pulled the rug out from under Trump, then started an argument with JD Vance, where he called him "JD" and started insulting his intelligence and speaking down to him.
That's when Trump jumped in. If anything, Trump was uncharacteristically restrained. Which I think was great to watch, it showed Trump in his natural "deal making" element and not his bombastic TV personality.
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 01:20 PM (w4nzS)
I don't think Trump overreacted at all. Zelensky was there to sign a deal, then after a reporter asked Trump about security guarantees (aka American boots on the ground), Trump demurred on the question, said he wanted to finalize a cease fire first.
Zelensky then jumped in, talked over Trump, and said there would be no deal without security guarantees.
So he just told Trump to go fuck himself, publicly rebuked him, and said he was not signing the deal. Which was the whole point of him going to DC and sitting at that presser. So he pulled the rug out from under Trump, then started an argument with JD Vance, where he called him "JD" and started insulting his intelligence and speaking down to him.
That's when Trump jumped in. If anything, Trump was uncharacteristically restrained. Which I think was great to watch, it showed Trump in his natural "deal making" element and not his bombastic TV personality.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:27 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Skip at March 02, 2025 01:28 PM (fwDg9)
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez@AOC
This guy [Musk] is a leech on the public. No matter how many billions he gets in tax cuts and government contracts, it will never be enough for him.
Now he’s going after the elderly, the disabled, and orphaned children so he can pocket it in tax cuts for himself.
It’s disgusting.
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You go, girl! I mean, get gone!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier for the Persistence at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (L/fGl)
The old axiom is almost always true: If you're the investigator, trying to solve the crime, you get people on the defensive. The ones who talk the most, no matter what they say, they're most likely the criminal you're looking for.
This guy [Musk] is a leech on the public. No matter how many billions he gets in tax cuts and government contracts, it will never be enough for him.
Now he’s going after the elderly, the disabled, and orphaned children so he can pocket it in tax cuts for himself.
It’s disgusting.
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You go, girl! I mean, get gone!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier for the Persistence at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (L/fGl)
The old axiom is almost always true: If you're the investigator, trying to solve the crime, you get people on the defensive. The ones who talk the most, no matter what they say, they're most likely the criminal you're looking for.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:28 PM (81i8c)
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Zelenskyy looked like a petulant child sitting in a chair too big for him with his arms defiant look on his face, might have had his lower lip sticking out too.
Ukraine may have ceased to exist at that moment.
Ukraine may have ceased to exist at that moment.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 02, 2025 01:28 PM (/lPRQ)
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I have off street parking. I do my shopping in Nassau county where it is safer and cheaper.
Posted by: Accomack at March 02, 2025 01:28 PM (dJCmT)
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Has Trump said anything about the stolen election in Romania yet?
Vance talked about it in Munich.
Vance talked about it in Munich.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:28 PM (ExV1e)
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Show me the segment somewhere in all the videos shot Friday, in which the little asshoe in the black henley shirt actually looked The Donald in the eyes and said "Thank you."
It never happened. He thanked the room, he thanked all those asshoe Senators that met with him earlier, he thanked "the American people," he thanked all kinds of folks. But never Trump.
It never happened. He thanked the room, he thanked all those asshoe Senators that met with him earlier, he thanked "the American people," he thanked all kinds of folks. But never Trump.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at March 02, 2025 01:28 PM (KiBMU)
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other parties and all he needed was a signature. It is very difficult for me to believe that Zelensky would be invited to a public meeting in the Oval Office in front of the press without ironclad assurances that Zelensky was prepared to sign on the dotted line.
Zelensky intended to publicly embarrass the President for political purposes.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (rj6Yv)James!
This. It was not done on a whim by Z. Loved the look on his face when jdv shot back. There was a brief wtf look that he quickly covered. Then he started to smell the dog turds on his own shoes.
Zelensky intended to publicly embarrass the President for political purposes.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (rj6Yv)James!
This. It was not done on a whim by Z. Loved the look on his face when jdv shot back. There was a brief wtf look that he quickly covered. Then he started to smell the dog turds on his own shoes.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2025 01:29 PM (OA79/)
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212 Does anyone else get the sense from watching that interview that the Z man is a cocaine user?
Is this the break in the "cocaine found in the White House Visitor Center" case we've been looking for?
Is this the break in the "cocaine found in the White House Visitor Center" case we've been looking for?
Posted by: Auspex at March 02, 2025 01:29 PM (j4U/Z)
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Zelensky intended to publicly embarrass the President for political purposes.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (rj6Yv)
Orchestrated by Rice and the WEF
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (rj6Yv)
Orchestrated by Rice and the WEF
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:29 PM (2NXcZ)
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I street park my car, which involves moving it 4 days a week (long story, but I have a system in place that mostly works), but unless I'm leaving the city, I don't drive it anywhere in Manhattan. Subway / busses for 90% of my intra-city travel unless I'm going somewhere in the Bronx or Queens where parking is easier and there isn't great public transportation. Or Staten Island I guess, although I almost never go there
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:22 PM (uCjyK)
Thanks Harry…. It sounds like a LOT of effort having a car in Manhattan
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:22 PM (uCjyK)
Thanks Harry…. It sounds like a LOT of effort having a car in Manhattan
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 01:30 PM (HSqCq)
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I'd put the over /under on little Z's retirement life at six months.
I'd also put a little up on six days.
I'd also put a little up on six days.
Posted by: From about That Time at March 02, 2025 01:30 PM (n4GiU)
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>>>356 Both Trump and JD did great. Guys, if you only knew how this reverberated around the world, the commentary in the info space, from Europe especially. Some even brought in specialists to decipher the body language !
Posted by: runner
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In front of the cameras the European elite preen themselves and Zelensky and guffaw Trump. In private they got the message and are worried.
Posted by: runner
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In front of the cameras the European elite preen themselves and Zelensky and guffaw Trump. In private they got the message and are worried.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 01:30 PM (IkhKe)
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Word on the street is that Trump staged the encounter to play tough for the cameras
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT)
Any actual source for that supposition, or are you bullsh*tting...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Probably got it from Huggy Bear. If you want the word on the street, Huggy Bear is the man.
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT)
Any actual source for that supposition, or are you bullsh*tting...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Probably got it from Huggy Bear. If you want the word on the street, Huggy Bear is the man.
Posted by: Florida Peasant at March 02, 2025 01:30 PM (sw/8R)
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I keep reading that a number of current Ukrainian officials are users.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:31 PM (g47mK)
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When I see a Ukrainian flag I think to myself, "Meh! It's no Rothko..."
Posted by: muldoon
* glares *
Posted by: muldoon
* glares *
Posted by: Indonesia, Monaco, Poland..... at March 02, 2025 01:31 PM (DgGvY)
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Whatever your mode of NYC transport, the quest for quality salsa is futile.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (a3Q+t)
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But you can get Thai food at 3 am.
Which I've wanted ... never.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (a3Q+t)
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But you can get Thai food at 3 am.
Which I've wanted ... never.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:31 PM (YqDXo)
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Ukraine may have ceased to exist at that moment.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 02, 2025 01:28 PM (/lPRQ)
I hope so. Break it up, some for Poland, Some for Hungary, some for Romania.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 02, 2025 01:28 PM (/lPRQ)
I hope so. Break it up, some for Poland, Some for Hungary, some for Romania.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:31 PM (2NXcZ)
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The attraction of NYC is in consumerism. If that's you bag, there is no limit to your choices.
Posted by: Accomack at March 02, 2025 01:31 PM (dJCmT)
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Posted by: Defenestratus at March 02, 2025 01:13 PM (WYStd)
So, to be clear, you're saying what SHOULD have happened if that the US should have directly gone to war with Russia because they are weak and we are invincible and would have prevailed through the strength of diversity and inclusion?
So, to be clear, you're saying what SHOULD have happened if that the US should have directly gone to war with Russia because they are weak and we are invincible and would have prevailed through the strength of diversity and inclusion?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:32 PM (ExV1e)
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>>You misunderstand. That was a quote of Col Jessup from the movie
Oh. I never saw the movie. I also didn't see any quotation marks so I assumed those were your words.
Carry on...
Oh. I never saw the movie. I also didn't see any quotation marks so I assumed those were your words.
Carry on...
Posted by: one hour sober at March 02, 2025 01:32 PM (Y1sOo)
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Joy Reid, Carville, I’ve seen it with once respected Laurence Tribe - once they’re free from institutional restraints, the absolutely unhinged lunacy that’s inside them bubbles out into their public pronouncements.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:32 PM (SSRw1)
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First off any nations that believes its sovereignty is safe based on the pledges of foreign nation is due for an ass kicking. Second America's pledges are worthless, ask Vietnam, or Afghanistan or Iran. The Brits are far worse, loke at Rhodesia or Hong Kong.
Russia is scared of NATO? Why Russia has invaded various nations under the communists. Which nation has NATO invaded. Putin is a good KGB man, why shouldn't people trust his word, why its as honorable as any American lawyer's. If the West sells out the Ukes then the Baltic states are next and the PRC is going to behave accordingly.
Russia is scared of NATO? Why Russia has invaded various nations under the communists. Which nation has NATO invaded. Putin is a good KGB man, why shouldn't people trust his word, why its as honorable as any American lawyer's. If the West sells out the Ukes then the Baltic states are next and the PRC is going to behave accordingly.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at March 02, 2025 01:32 PM (bXvrr)
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Is it acceptable behavior among nations to use military means to consolidate one's borders? No.
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Why not? It's pretty much the historic norm. China and India do it today, albeit with sticks. Israel just did it with Syria (and were right to do so).
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Why not? It's pretty much the historic norm. China and India do it today, albeit with sticks. Israel just did it with Syria (and were right to do so).
Posted by: Methos at March 02, 2025 01:33 PM (Dnobf)
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Ok, here is some news from Europe, Meloni put her foot down. US and Europe have to be on the same page.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:33 PM (g47mK)
398
I can see the attraction of living in NYC.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:24 PM (YqDXo)
It does have some advantages, but overall I cannot wait to get the fuck out of this city and hopefully this state.
I was here when I was young and had the best time of my life, moved away for 10 years, came back in my 30's and... yeah, it's miserable.
But in your 20's it is a magical place. Like an adult disney world. A city full of people who want to keep the college scene going for another 10 years -- bars, hook ups, concerts, dating apps, food at 4 am, no real rules.
Now I'm way more likely to be sleeping at 11 pm on a Saturday then getting ready to go out to the bars and hopefully pick up a girl and/or end up drunkenly eating Sushi at 2 am with my friends or whatever.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:24 PM (YqDXo)
It does have some advantages, but overall I cannot wait to get the fuck out of this city and hopefully this state.
I was here when I was young and had the best time of my life, moved away for 10 years, came back in my 30's and... yeah, it's miserable.
But in your 20's it is a magical place. Like an adult disney world. A city full of people who want to keep the college scene going for another 10 years -- bars, hook ups, concerts, dating apps, food at 4 am, no real rules.
Now I'm way more likely to be sleeping at 11 pm on a Saturday then getting ready to go out to the bars and hopefully pick up a girl and/or end up drunkenly eating Sushi at 2 am with my friends or whatever.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:33 PM (uCjyK)
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Whatever your mode of NYC transport, the quest for quality salsa is futile.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (a3Q+t)
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But you can get Thai food at 3 am.
Which I've wanted ... never.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:31 PM (YqDXo)
I must admit, if you live in Podunkville like I do, the food is generally pretty shitty. Even the Mexican food, it should be good. There are Mexicans everywhere!
Any type of Asian food? Yeah, no. Not for a hundred miles, at least.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (a3Q+t)
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But you can get Thai food at 3 am.
Which I've wanted ... never.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:31 PM (YqDXo)
I must admit, if you live in Podunkville like I do, the food is generally pretty shitty. Even the Mexican food, it should be good. There are Mexicans everywhere!
Any type of Asian food? Yeah, no. Not for a hundred miles, at least.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:33 PM (81i8c)
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387 I keep reading that a number of current Ukrainian officials are users.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:31 PM (g47mK)
Probably true for any system today with a whole lot of free money and no accountability.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:31 PM (g47mK)
Probably true for any system today with a whole lot of free money and no accountability.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:34 PM (SSRw1)
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>>Curious.... Do you see the US pulling troops out of Europe and leaving NATO?
I really don't know. If Trump had his way I think he would like to get out of NATO but I don't know if will get the support to do it.
Trump is not a fan of these large multi-party deals. They sound good on paper but whether it's trade deals or military alliances we as the last remaining super power always seem to be shouldering the burden without much benefit. If Russia did attack Germany or France we would be there in force. If Russia attacked us what's Germany going to do, send some beer steins and lederhosen?
As to troops coming home, again I think he would like to see a large reduction. There's little point to having our people all over the world guarding nothing.
On the other hand what doesn't get talked about a lot was new NATO bases being planned for Romania and Ukraine on or near the Black Sea. Yea, I can't see why that would upset Vlad.
I really don't know. If Trump had his way I think he would like to get out of NATO but I don't know if will get the support to do it.
Trump is not a fan of these large multi-party deals. They sound good on paper but whether it's trade deals or military alliances we as the last remaining super power always seem to be shouldering the burden without much benefit. If Russia did attack Germany or France we would be there in force. If Russia attacked us what's Germany going to do, send some beer steins and lederhosen?
As to troops coming home, again I think he would like to see a large reduction. There's little point to having our people all over the world guarding nothing.
On the other hand what doesn't get talked about a lot was new NATO bases being planned for Romania and Ukraine on or near the Black Sea. Yea, I can't see why that would upset Vlad.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 01:34 PM (LkLld)
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Russia is scared of NATO? Why Russia has invaded various nations under the communists. Which nation has NATO invaded. Putin is a good KGB man, why shouldn't people trust his word, why its as honorable as any American lawyer's. If the West sells out the Ukes then the Baltic states are next and the PRC is going to behave accordingly.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at March 02, 2025 01:32 PM (bXvrr)
Nah, the WEF wants both Russia and the US severely damaged. The big players in this mess are all DAVOS loyalists.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at March 02, 2025 01:32 PM (bXvrr)
Nah, the WEF wants both Russia and the US severely damaged. The big players in this mess are all DAVOS loyalists.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:34 PM (2NXcZ)
Posted by: olddog in mo at March 02, 2025 01:34 PM (hoCmQ)
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If the President wants to make a point, he should get at least half of the heads Logistics for our major military units in Europe into Washington, for "consultations". Let the EU wonder if the point of discussion is how to remove our forces from those bases.
To make the point harder, include the major Intelligence chiefs, to cover how to remove all the coding equipment and other assets at the same time.
To make the point harder, include the major Intelligence chiefs, to cover how to remove all the coding equipment and other assets at the same time.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 02, 2025 01:35 PM (VNX3d)
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They had talked over the points before the meeting.
Zelensky tried to change the deal, thinking the cameras would give him leverage. He forgot that he wasn't dealing with Europeans.
Zelensky tried to change the deal, thinking the cameras would give him leverage. He forgot that he wasn't dealing with Europeans.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 01:36 PM (IkhKe)
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But the territory Russia now occupies? That's more accurately described as Western Russia.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:17 PM (81i8c)
Most of the territory Russia occupies is the Russian part. They may have a couple kilometers of non-Russian Ukraine as they keep moving forward once the latest batch of Ukrainian kids who could escape the press gangs get slaughtered.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:17 PM (81i8c)
Most of the territory Russia occupies is the Russian part. They may have a couple kilometers of non-Russian Ukraine as they keep moving forward once the latest batch of Ukrainian kids who could escape the press gangs get slaughtered.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:36 PM (ExV1e)
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I'm still pissed at the Norwegians the non-apology response. Starmer embracing Zelensky this weekend is all we need to know about Starmer.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:36 PM (rj6Yv)
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386 Word on the street is that Trump staged the encounter to play tough for the cameras
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT)
Any actual source for that supposition, or are you bullsh*tting...
Wait, so Trump four ds chess little z to torpedo the deal in public and step on hizzone dick so Trump could look like a tough guy?
Fucking brilliant analysis on that.
Posted by: Savage Henry at March 02, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT)
Any actual source for that supposition, or are you bullsh*tting...
Wait, so Trump four ds chess little z to torpedo the deal in public and step on hizzone dick so Trump could look like a tough guy?
Fucking brilliant analysis on that.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 02, 2025 01:36 PM (OA79/)
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Joy Reid, Carville, I’ve seen it with once respected Laurence Tribe - once they’re free from institutional restraints, the absolutely unhinged lunacy that’s inside them bubbles out into their public pronouncements.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:32 PM (SSRw1)
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My favorite was when Tribe claimed Obongo was his very best student. A statement he made the day before the election. What did he say about him at the time? Bupkis.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:32 PM (SSRw1)
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My favorite was when Tribe claimed Obongo was his very best student. A statement he made the day before the election. What did he say about him at the time? Bupkis.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:37 PM (YqDXo)
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Thanks Harry…. It sounds like a LOT of effort having a car in Manhattan
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 01:30 PM (HSqCq)
Yeah. The other boroughs ... it depends on where you live. In the hinterlands of the city, people have driveways and abundant street parking, so having a car is not a big deal.
But in Manhattan, having a car usually means you're rich or kind of new to the city and haven't realized how shitty it is to have a car here. I guess I'm "upper middle class" by US standards, but I don't exactly have an extra $1000 a month to piss away on a parking garage.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 02, 2025 01:30 PM (HSqCq)
Yeah. The other boroughs ... it depends on where you live. In the hinterlands of the city, people have driveways and abundant street parking, so having a car is not a big deal.
But in Manhattan, having a car usually means you're rich or kind of new to the city and haven't realized how shitty it is to have a car here. I guess I'm "upper middle class" by US standards, but I don't exactly have an extra $1000 a month to piss away on a parking garage.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:37 PM (uCjyK)
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Starmer embracing Zelensky this weekend is all we need to know about Starmer.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:36 PM (rj6Yv)
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Starmer is a pimp. He'll stand behind Ukraine to the last American.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:36 PM (rj6Yv)
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Starmer is a pimp. He'll stand behind Ukraine to the last American.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:38 PM (YqDXo)
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The Powerline week in pictures with Z asking to speak to little old man he did last time was LoL
Posted by: Skip at March 02, 2025 01:38 PM (fwDg9)
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Ok, here is some news from Europe, Meloni put her foot down. US and Europe have to be on the same page.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:33 PM (g47mK)
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The forecast for Italy is cloudy, with a chance of meatballs:
https://tinyurl.com/yc4kf8ex
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:33 PM (g47mK)
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The forecast for Italy is cloudy, with a chance of meatballs:
https://tinyurl.com/yc4kf8ex
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 01:38 PM (T3vgT)
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My main wish is that Ukrainians "deal with Zelensky". Without him, it's done in the West.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:39 PM (2NXcZ)
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Russia is scared of NATO? Why Russia has invaded various nations under the communists. Which nation has NATO invaded. Putin is a good KGB man, why shouldn't people trust his word, why its as honorable as any American lawyer's. If the West sells out the Ukes then the Baltic states are next and the PRC is going to behave accordingly.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at March 02, 2025 01:32 PM (bXvrr)
I don't understand what you're saying here. But a) I highly doubt Putin has any interest in the Baltic states, and b) if he does, that's not my problem and no one has explained to me why I should supporting spending our money and our blood to defend some country that probably hates us anyways.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at March 02, 2025 01:32 PM (bXvrr)
I don't understand what you're saying here. But a) I highly doubt Putin has any interest in the Baltic states, and b) if he does, that's not my problem and no one has explained to me why I should supporting spending our money and our blood to defend some country that probably hates us anyways.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:40 PM (uCjyK)
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Ukranians and their supporters in the media, and in blogosphere really, really want us to believe that Ukraine is some kind of shield of Europe, and a protector. That paradigm is false, it was sold to us because the opposite is true - Ukraine can be used as a staging ground to damage Russia. Russia knows it, Europe knows it. But in no way is Ukraine any kind of shield protecting Democracy, or democratic values, or the United States or NATO.
Ukranians and their supporters in the media, and in blogosphere really, really want us to believe that Ukraine is some kind of shield of Europe, and a protector. That paradigm is false, it was sold to us because the opposite is true - Ukraine can be used as a staging ground to damage Russia. Russia knows it, Europe knows it. But in no way is Ukraine any kind of shield protecting Democracy, or democratic values, or the United States or NATO.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:40 PM (g47mK)
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Russia is scared of NATO? Why Russia has invaded various nations under the communists. Which nation has NATO invaded. Putin is a good KGB man, why shouldn't people trust his word, why its as honorable as any American lawyer's. If the West sells out the Ukes then the Baltic states are next and the PRC is going to behave accordingly.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at March 02, 2025 01:32 PM (bXvrr)
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Russian paranoia is epic, and goes back to invasion by the Mongols.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at March 02, 2025 01:32 PM (bXvrr)
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Russian paranoia is epic, and goes back to invasion by the Mongols.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:40 PM (YqDXo)
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"382 Zelensky intended to publicly embarrass the President for political purposes.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (rj6Yv)
Orchestrated by Rice and the WEF
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:29 PM (2NXcZ) "
may be. we know who Z campaigned for last year ...
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:26 PM (rj6Yv)
Orchestrated by Rice and the WEF
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:29 PM (2NXcZ) "
may be. we know who Z campaigned for last year ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 02, 2025 01:40 PM (RP0h0)
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Nah, the WEF wants both Russia and the US severely damaged. The big players in this mess are all DAVOS loyalists.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:34 PM (2NXcZ)
The big tell on that is that "climate control" treaties are on temporary hiatus. It'll be fun to watch those Yoorups try to re-build their energy infrastructures while attempting to increase their defense expenditures. LOL.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:34 PM (2NXcZ)
The big tell on that is that "climate control" treaties are on temporary hiatus. It'll be fun to watch those Yoorups try to re-build their energy infrastructures while attempting to increase their defense expenditures. LOL.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:40 PM (rj6Yv)
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Certainly the lib yards fellated Zelenskyy, but let's not pretend it was just libtards.
When Zelenskyy appeared in front of Congress, here's the long list of politicians that didn't give him a standing ovation:
During Zelensky's speech, Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert, Warren Davidson refused to applaud. Boebert was seen staring at her phone.
And Thomas Massie refused to even show up
4. That's it. 4.
When Zelenskyy appeared in front of Congress, here's the long list of politicians that didn't give him a standing ovation:
During Zelensky's speech, Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert, Warren Davidson refused to applaud. Boebert was seen staring at her phone.
And Thomas Massie refused to even show up
4. That's it. 4.
Posted by: Dan Crenshaw at March 02, 2025 01:40 PM (9ptcg)
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But in Manhattan, having a car usually means you're rich or kind of new to the city and haven't realized how shitty it is to have a car here. I guess I'm "upper middle class" by US standards, but I don't exactly have an extra $1000 a month to piss away on a parking garage.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:37 PM (uCjyK)
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Way back when Ed Koch was His Honor The Mayor, he changed the standard no parking signs in midtown Manhattan to read "DON'T EVEN THINK OF PARKING HERE!"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:37 PM (uCjyK)
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Way back when Ed Koch was His Honor The Mayor, he changed the standard no parking signs in midtown Manhattan to read "DON'T EVEN THINK OF PARKING HERE!"
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 01:41 PM (T3vgT)
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If you hate where you live, leave.
I would NOT leave a place I love because of politics. That's giving the other side a win. Screw that. I was here first. I'm not leaving.
But if I actually HATED it here? I'd leave in a heartbeat.
I would NOT leave a place I love because of politics. That's giving the other side a win. Screw that. I was here first. I'm not leaving.
But if I actually HATED it here? I'd leave in a heartbeat.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 02, 2025 01:41 PM (mT+6a)
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414 My main wish is that Ukrainians "deal with Zelensky". Without him, it's done in the West.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:39 PM (2NXcZ)
How? Zelensky was installed by the US and European intelligence agencies, and he has cancelled elections and outlawed political opponents' parties because anyone who opposes Z is obviously a Russian Asset (tm).
So what are the Ukrainians to do? Also keep in mind that something like 90% of Ukrainian media was being funded by the CIA, mostly through USAID. So the Ukrainians have been seeping in US propaganda for the last 15 years now.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:39 PM (2NXcZ)
How? Zelensky was installed by the US and European intelligence agencies, and he has cancelled elections and outlawed political opponents' parties because anyone who opposes Z is obviously a Russian Asset (tm).
So what are the Ukrainians to do? Also keep in mind that something like 90% of Ukrainian media was being funded by the CIA, mostly through USAID. So the Ukrainians have been seeping in US propaganda for the last 15 years now.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:41 PM (uCjyK)
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I don't understand what you're saying here. But a) I highly doubt Putin has any interest in the Baltic states, and b) if he does, that's not my problem and no one has explained to me why I should supporting spending our money and our blood to defend some country that probably hates us anyways.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:40 PM (uCjyK)
My exact opinion of most of NATO states. After reading what the Brits think of us on X, I don't give a damn about their asses. They can't even turn around a dinghy
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:40 PM (uCjyK)
My exact opinion of most of NATO states. After reading what the Brits think of us on X, I don't give a damn about their asses. They can't even turn around a dinghy
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:42 PM (2NXcZ)
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If you hate where you live, leave.
I would NOT leave a place I love because of politics. That's giving the other side a win. Screw that. I was here first. I'm not leaving.
But if I actually HATED it here? I'd leave in a heartbeat.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 02, 2025 01:41 PM (mT+6a)
Easier said than done, unfortunately. Working on it.
I would NOT leave a place I love because of politics. That's giving the other side a win. Screw that. I was here first. I'm not leaving.
But if I actually HATED it here? I'd leave in a heartbeat.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 02, 2025 01:41 PM (mT+6a)
Easier said than done, unfortunately. Working on it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:42 PM (uCjyK)
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I don't understand what you're saying here. But a) I highly doubt Putin has any interest in the Baltic states, and b) if he does, that's not my problem and no one has explained to me why I should supporting spending our money and our blood to defend some country that probably hates us anyways.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:40 PM (uCjyK)
Italians heard Fascist propaganda, and look what happened.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:40 PM (uCjyK)
Italians heard Fascist propaganda, and look what happened.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:43 PM (2NXcZ)
427
I don’t really understand why a nuclear submarine needed fuel oil.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:43 PM (SSRw1)
428
Good luck Ukraine with counting on the euroweenies for military support. Brits have more horses in their army than MBTs. Frogs are third rate military. Germans have less than 70k active duty troops outdated tanks and inoperative fighter aircraft. None of them have the industrial capacity to fight or supply Ukraine.
Posted by: Archer at March 02, 2025 01:44 PM (IDphi)
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It is not like a pro-Ukrainian nut job just didn't try to assassinate Trump...
Townhall: Pro-Ukrainian Protesters Disrupt JD Vance’s Family Ski Trip, Prompting VP to Move Locations
Vice President J.D. Vance and his family were forced to relocate to an "undisclosed location" after a group of pro-Ukrainian protesters disrupted their family ski trip. During their vacation, the protesters confronted the vice presidential family, raising security concerns.
Hundreds of protestors gathered in Vermont on Saturday to protest Vance’s visit to Sugarbush Resort, holding signs that read “Nazi scum," “traitor,” and telling him to "go ski in Russia.”
Others held signs that read “Trump serves Putin” and “Stand with Ukraine.”
According to reports, the Vance family had planned to stay at a four-star inn near the resort but moved to an undisclosed location after “seeing the ruckus.” The vice president and his family then tried to ski on one side of a mountain to avoid the large crowds; however, protesters also gathered there
Townhall: Pro-Ukrainian Protesters Disrupt JD Vance’s Family Ski Trip, Prompting VP to Move Locations
Vice President J.D. Vance and his family were forced to relocate to an "undisclosed location" after a group of pro-Ukrainian protesters disrupted their family ski trip. During their vacation, the protesters confronted the vice presidential family, raising security concerns.
Hundreds of protestors gathered in Vermont on Saturday to protest Vance’s visit to Sugarbush Resort, holding signs that read “Nazi scum," “traitor,” and telling him to "go ski in Russia.”
Others held signs that read “Trump serves Putin” and “Stand with Ukraine.”
According to reports, the Vance family had planned to stay at a four-star inn near the resort but moved to an undisclosed location after “seeing the ruckus.” The vice president and his family then tried to ski on one side of a mountain to avoid the large crowds; however, protesters also gathered there
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at March 02, 2025 01:44 PM (9aVck)
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>> Is it acceptable behavior among nations to use military means to consolidate one's borders? No. But it is typical and expected, and it has happened far more frequently than the other option of polite discussion and diplomatic maneuvering.
Exactly. This was wholly predictable. Appeals to ideological standards have no place in realpolitick.
Good post, CBD!
Exactly. This was wholly predictable. Appeals to ideological standards have no place in realpolitick.
Good post, CBD!
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 02, 2025 01:44 PM (l3YAf)
431
I don’t really understand why a nuclear submarine needed fuel oil.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:43 PM (SSRw1)
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Have you tasted the galley's stir-fry lately?
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:43 PM (SSRw1)
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Have you tasted the galley's stir-fry lately?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 01:45 PM (T3vgT)
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My exact opinion of most of NATO states. After reading what the Brits think of us on X, I don't give a damn about their asses. They can't even turn around a dinghy
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:42 PM (2NXcZ)
It is an interesting strategy that only works because our Deep State is very intertwined with the European Deep Sate.
And theirs is much more posh. They have hundreds of years of aristocracy and peerage. They own castles and shit.
Our deep state is full of nepo baby idiots who I'm sure are easily impressed by the pomp of the British or Belgian or whatever "elite".
But in a world where things worked as they should -- yeah, we would have told Europe to suck a dick a long time ago.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:42 PM (2NXcZ)
It is an interesting strategy that only works because our Deep State is very intertwined with the European Deep Sate.
And theirs is much more posh. They have hundreds of years of aristocracy and peerage. They own castles and shit.
Our deep state is full of nepo baby idiots who I'm sure are easily impressed by the pomp of the British or Belgian or whatever "elite".
But in a world where things worked as they should -- yeah, we would have told Europe to suck a dick a long time ago.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:45 PM (uCjyK)
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>>>397 Ok, here is some news from Europe, Meloni put her foot down. US and Europe have to be on the same page.
Posted by: runner
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Didn't hear that. Sounded like a diplomatic bi-lateral, lateral.
https://tinyurl.com/3rfmbu4m
Posted by: runner
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Didn't hear that. Sounded like a diplomatic bi-lateral, lateral.
https://tinyurl.com/3rfmbu4m
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 01:46 PM (IkhKe)
434
Most of the territory Russia occupies is the Russian part. They may have a couple kilometers of non-Russian Ukraine as they keep moving forward once the latest batch of Ukrainian kids who could escape the press gangs get slaughtered.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:36 PM (ExV1e)
There are plenty of sources out there who are not pro either side, who use Ukrainian maps, because that's about all that's available. When they show the movements of the front, it's always the same. Russia takes a little more here, a little more there.
They're not trying to defeat Ukraine. They've essentially been holding the line for a couple years now, and the only time there's any movement it's when the Ukes do something like that futile incursion into the Kursk region.
Even then, the Russians COULD have killed every last Uke who was part of the invasion. They haven't. They've been trying to get the Ukes to surrender, and those who do are spared. Those who don't... well.....
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:36 PM (ExV1e)
There are plenty of sources out there who are not pro either side, who use Ukrainian maps, because that's about all that's available. When they show the movements of the front, it's always the same. Russia takes a little more here, a little more there.
They're not trying to defeat Ukraine. They've essentially been holding the line for a couple years now, and the only time there's any movement it's when the Ukes do something like that futile incursion into the Kursk region.
Even then, the Russians COULD have killed every last Uke who was part of the invasion. They haven't. They've been trying to get the Ukes to surrender, and those who do are spared. Those who don't... well.....
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:46 PM (ltVPJ)
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Townhall: Pro-Ukrainian Protesters Disrupt JD Vance’s Family Ski Trip, Prompting VP to Move Locations
Vice President J.D. Vance and his family were forced to relocate to an "undisclosed location" after a group of pro-Ukrainian protesters disrupted their family ski trip
I would support detaining all of them and sending them to Ukraine, where they can truly fight for the cause they so dearly believe in.
Vice President J.D. Vance and his family were forced to relocate to an "undisclosed location" after a group of pro-Ukrainian protesters disrupted their family ski trip
I would support detaining all of them and sending them to Ukraine, where they can truly fight for the cause they so dearly believe in.
Posted by: Just sayin at March 02, 2025 01:46 PM (9ptcg)
436
The fact that our European allies are still funding Putin through LNG, unsanctioned fossil fuels and via ghost tankers says everything about " save democracy" or "stop Putin" is BS. How much of the missing US aid has been skimmed? It's one big piggy bank to be looted
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 02, 2025 01:47 PM (EG7Bp)
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"appreciate the vast change that has occurred in America."
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Z MAN needs to learn that the American government is now for Americans first.
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Z MAN needs to learn that the American government is now for Americans first.
Posted by: Cosda at March 02, 2025 01:47 PM (xA4dO)
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>>I don’t really understand why a nuclear submarine needed fuel oil
The emergency backup engine is diesel.
The emergency backup engine is diesel.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 01:47 PM (LkLld)
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411 Starmer is a pimp.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:36 PM (rj6Yv)
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more likely a compromised john.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:36 PM (rj6Yv)
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more likely a compromised john.
Posted by: Auspex at March 02, 2025 01:47 PM (j4U/Z)
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I don't understand what you're saying here. But a) I highly doubt Putin has any interest in the Baltic states, and b) if he does, that's not my problem and no one has explained to me why I should supporting spending our money and our blood to defend some country that probably hates us anyways.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:40 PM (uCjyK)
What they're saying is that they cannot distinguish between the USSR and Russia, that they think the KGB is some kind of bogeyman and every member was a commie James Bond rather than a paper pusher. They're saying that unlike Russia, the west's word is it's bond which is why NATO hasn't expanded eastward even once on the past 30+ years, as promised.
Basically, they're saying that they believe every single piece of propaganda they've read over their entire life and it's super-duper important that we go toe-to-toe with the Russkies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:40 PM (uCjyK)
What they're saying is that they cannot distinguish between the USSR and Russia, that they think the KGB is some kind of bogeyman and every member was a commie James Bond rather than a paper pusher. They're saying that unlike Russia, the west's word is it's bond which is why NATO hasn't expanded eastward even once on the past 30+ years, as promised.
Basically, they're saying that they believe every single piece of propaganda they've read over their entire life and it's super-duper important that we go toe-to-toe with the Russkies.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:48 PM (ExV1e)
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Hundreds of protestors gathered in Vermont on Saturday to protest Vance’s visit to Sugarbush Resort, holding signs that read “Nazi scum," “traitor,” and telling him to "go ski in Russia.”
Others held signs that read “Trump serves Putin” and “Stand with Ukraine.”
According to reports, the Vance family had planned to stay at a four-star inn near the resort but moved to an undisclosed location after “seeing the ruckus.” The vice president and his family then tried to ski on one side of a mountain to avoid the large crowds; however, protesters also gathered there
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at March 02, 2025 01:44 PM (9aVck)
Not just pro-Ukraine stuff. There were Palestinian flags and pro-illegal immigration signs, too. So, a typical activist Dem op.
Others held signs that read “Trump serves Putin” and “Stand with Ukraine.”
According to reports, the Vance family had planned to stay at a four-star inn near the resort but moved to an undisclosed location after “seeing the ruckus.” The vice president and his family then tried to ski on one side of a mountain to avoid the large crowds; however, protesters also gathered there
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at March 02, 2025 01:44 PM (9aVck)
Not just pro-Ukraine stuff. There were Palestinian flags and pro-illegal immigration signs, too. So, a typical activist Dem op.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:48 PM (rj6Yv)
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But in a world where things worked as they should -- yeah, we would have told Europe to suck a dick a long time ago.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:45 PM (uCjyK)
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Europe is done. It's like the Biden of continents.
The future lies in Asia.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:45 PM (uCjyK)
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Europe is done. It's like the Biden of continents.
The future lies in Asia.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:49 PM (YqDXo)
443
Z MAN needs to learn that the American government is now for Americans first.
Posted by: Cosda at March 02, 2025 01:47 PM (xA4dO)
Let's deport their "refugees". If they scream and yell and shake their fists for support from Zelensky, they can go fight.
Posted by: Cosda at March 02, 2025 01:47 PM (xA4dO)
Let's deport their "refugees". If they scream and yell and shake their fists for support from Zelensky, they can go fight.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:49 PM (2NXcZ)
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Not just pro-Ukraine stuff. There were Palestinian flags and pro-illegal immigration signs, too. So, a typical activist Dem op.
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* rainbow flags too!
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* rainbow flags too!
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:49 PM (g47mK)
445
Always been my opinion I couldn't really care about Ukraine, it's not our problem except wars cost lives and money so needs to stop.
Posted by: Skip at March 02, 2025 01:50 PM (fwDg9)
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I'd like to see NATO dissolved. As it stands now it a large fat slob.
Then maybe enter into a security agreement with the Baltic states, and maybe UK if it could get it's shit together. We could call it something like, I dunno, the north atlantic organization treaty? Something like that.
The continental European countries could come up with something among themselves.
Turkey can go fuck itself.
Then maybe enter into a security agreement with the Baltic states, and maybe UK if it could get it's shit together. We could call it something like, I dunno, the north atlantic organization treaty? Something like that.
The continental European countries could come up with something among themselves.
Turkey can go fuck itself.
Posted by: From about That Time at March 02, 2025 01:51 PM (n4GiU)
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445 Always been my opinion I couldn't really care about Ukraine, it's not our problem except wars cost lives and money so needs to stop.
Posted by: Skip at March 02, 2025 01:50 PM (fwDg9)
Yes.
Posted by: Skip at March 02, 2025 01:50 PM (fwDg9)
Yes.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:51 PM (2NXcZ)
448
The fact that our European allies are still funding Putin
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We have no allies. Only client states who would hose us in a nanosecond if they could get away with it.
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We have no allies. Only client states who would hose us in a nanosecond if they could get away with it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:51 PM (YqDXo)
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427 I don’t really understand why a nuclear submarine needed fuel oil.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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I would imagine that we fuel more than nuclear subs there.
It's moot anyway. Info upstream says the govt slapped the
oil company and that Norway and OilCo welcomes the US business.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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I would imagine that we fuel more than nuclear subs there.
It's moot anyway. Info upstream says the govt slapped the
oil company and that Norway and OilCo welcomes the US business.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 01:51 PM (IkhKe)
450
>>Z MAN needs to learn that the American government is now for Americans first.
He's probably a bit confused given that he's been working with the CIA for the last few years.
Does anyone really think we ran a color revolution in Ukraine in 2014, deposed a president friendly to Russia and installed our own puppet and then left?
He's probably a bit confused given that he's been working with the CIA for the last few years.
Does anyone really think we ran a color revolution in Ukraine in 2014, deposed a president friendly to Russia and installed our own puppet and then left?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 01:51 PM (LkLld)
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132
'Ponder the breathtaking arrogance of that greasy little shit, obviously considering himself to Trump's peer.'
I ponder the arrogance of weak but opinionated countries like France, UK and Germany thinking they are America's peer.
'Ponder the breathtaking arrogance of that greasy little shit, obviously considering himself to Trump's peer.'
I ponder the arrogance of weak but opinionated countries like France, UK and Germany thinking they are America's peer.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 02, 2025 01:51 PM (3wi/L)
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* rainbow flags too!
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:49 PM (g47mK)
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You mean the fag flag?
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:49 PM (g47mK)
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You mean the fag flag?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (YqDXo)
453
I don’t really understand why a nuclear submarine needed fuel oil.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:43 PM (SSRw1)
They have a diesel generator they can use when the reactor isn't operating but if they've got such major issues that they went through all the fuel they had when they left home then they should return to the US for repairs.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:43 PM (SSRw1)
They have a diesel generator they can use when the reactor isn't operating but if they've got such major issues that they went through all the fuel they had when they left home then they should return to the US for repairs.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Al Receptive at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (tbPZr)
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We know that millions went to the Biden family when Joe was VP, through Hunter and Burisma, just to let the family wet their beaks. At a time when Joe was a minor player. Others must surely have been in on this.
When Trump 45 started looking into Ukraine, it was turned into Shampeachment One. I'm looking at you Nancy!
Once Joe was installed as POTUS it got to the End Game. Blinken / Sullivan pressed forward with admitting Ukraine into NATO, which would put Putin in check. Once in check, Putin's only possible moves would be limited to taking it up the ass forever or starting WWIII. To avoid check, Putin invaded. Putin's not innocent but he is coldly rational. Blinken / Sullivan must have foreseen that publicly pushing for Ukraine to join NATO would lead to war.
Follow the money. I can't wait for proof that the likes of Blinken and Sullivan have already made huge fortunes by fleecing US taxpayers. With a lot of blood on their hands. Sometimes it's not just dollars and cents. Stay tuned.
When Trump 45 started looking into Ukraine, it was turned into Shampeachment One. I'm looking at you Nancy!
Once Joe was installed as POTUS it got to the End Game. Blinken / Sullivan pressed forward with admitting Ukraine into NATO, which would put Putin in check. Once in check, Putin's only possible moves would be limited to taking it up the ass forever or starting WWIII. To avoid check, Putin invaded. Putin's not innocent but he is coldly rational. Blinken / Sullivan must have foreseen that publicly pushing for Ukraine to join NATO would lead to war.
Follow the money. I can't wait for proof that the likes of Blinken and Sullivan have already made huge fortunes by fleecing US taxpayers. With a lot of blood on their hands. Sometimes it's not just dollars and cents. Stay tuned.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (Gqoy+)
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Ever wonder who has the 2nd largest military in NATO, in terms of men and equipment? A country never mentioned in these discussions - Turkey. Of course they have no interest in fighting for Ukraine.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (SSRw1)
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"Donald Trump and JD Vance didn't "over react". The President has invested a lot of time working out a deal with the Russians and other parties and all he needed was a signature."
There was no deal. Putin respects nothing but boots on the ground and missiles ready to go, and Trump had already ruled that out. So Ukraine is doomed.
I think Z was under the impression that if he signed the minerals deal, he'd get security guarantees. Something for something. But Trump's big idea was that the minerals deal *was* the security guarantee, as if Putin would pay the least attention to something like that. So when Trump said, no, you're not getting any guarantees, there was no point in going any further, and no point at all in pretending to like it. Unless Europe can pull something out of the hat (unlikely) Ukraine are gonna get crushed, slowly and painfully, or if Trump cuts off the funding, fast. So it goes. You soon learn who can be relied on to help a neighbor.
There was no deal. Putin respects nothing but boots on the ground and missiles ready to go, and Trump had already ruled that out. So Ukraine is doomed.
I think Z was under the impression that if he signed the minerals deal, he'd get security guarantees. Something for something. But Trump's big idea was that the minerals deal *was* the security guarantee, as if Putin would pay the least attention to something like that. So when Trump said, no, you're not getting any guarantees, there was no point in going any further, and no point at all in pretending to like it. Unless Europe can pull something out of the hat (unlikely) Ukraine are gonna get crushed, slowly and painfully, or if Trump cuts off the funding, fast. So it goes. You soon learn who can be relied on to help a neighbor.
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (99Qm2)
458
We still need the NATO alliance. It still has strategic value to the US.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (g47mK)
459
411 Starmer is a pimp.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:36 PM (rj6Yv)
For the record, I didn't call Starmer a pimp.
He's a stuffed puppet.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:36 PM (rj6Yv)
For the record, I didn't call Starmer a pimp.
He's a stuffed puppet.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (rj6Yv)
460
A friend of mine said that the scene in the White House reminded him of the scene in the Godfather between Don Vito and Johnny Fontaine. My comment was yeah, the difference here was Johnny tried to slap the Don back. Big mistake. Johnny gonna wind up dead.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (MZ+PY)
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Most of us would find it wasteful to spend $100 a day or whatever ubering to and from work.
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But they only took taxis in the Seinfeld show.
... I don't recall recurring subway scenes ...
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But they only took taxis in the Seinfeld show.
... I don't recall recurring subway scenes ...
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 02, 2025 01:53 PM (/lPRQ)
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I don’t really understand why a nuclear submarine needed fuel oil.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:43 PM (SSRw1)
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Have you tasted the galley's stir-fry lately?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 01:45 PM (T3vgT)
That is a base canard. Fuel oil is only used in the coffee.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:43 PM (SSRw1)
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Have you tasted the galley's stir-fry lately?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 01:45 PM (T3vgT)
That is a base canard. Fuel oil is only used in the coffee.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:53 PM (ExV1e)
463
The fact that our European allies are still funding Putin through LNG, unsanctioned fossil fuels and via ghost tankers says everything about " save democracy" or "stop Putin" is BS. How much of the missing US aid has been skimmed? It's one big piggy bank to be looted
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 02, 2025 01:47 PM (EG7Bp)
Hell, Russia was still selling fuel to Ukraine, until about a year ago when the Russians canceled it.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 02, 2025 01:47 PM (EG7Bp)
Hell, Russia was still selling fuel to Ukraine, until about a year ago when the Russians canceled it.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:53 PM (9D/Jg)
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You really can find anything on the internet including:
>>Maintenance practices for emergency diesel generator engines onboard United States Navy Los Angeles class nuclear submarines
https://tinyurl.com/5h4tcew6
>>Maintenance practices for emergency diesel generator engines onboard United States Navy Los Angeles class nuclear submarines
https://tinyurl.com/5h4tcew6
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 01:53 PM (LkLld)
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458 We still need the NATO alliance. It still has strategic value to the US.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (g47mK)
It's a pain in the ass.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (g47mK)
It's a pain in the ass.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:54 PM (2NXcZ)
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No idea how to do this. Generally on a kindle tablet, but also android phone
It's not on your phone's browser settings, it's in your keyboard settings.
It's not on your phone's browser settings, it's in your keyboard settings.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (XMwZJ)
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Then I read Mollie Hemingway on X this morning to find out he’d been egged on by the likes Susan Rice and Bearclaw Vindman and other Obamaites… it’s really infuriating. Even more irritating he immediately runs off to Starmer and Macron as if Western Europe is gonna save him. He needs to be ousted; let him take some portion of his stolen billions and settle down to a life of ease in the French Riviera well away from any power
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Since when is Rice and others' interference not a violation of the Logan Act?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Since when is Rice and others' interference not a violation of the Logan Act?
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (1NJ7X)
468
Ever wonder who has the 2nd largest military in NATO, in terms of men and equipment? A country never mentioned in these discussions - Turkey. Of course they have no interest in fighting for Ukraine.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (SSRw1)
yeah; we should move the whole enterprise to Greece...
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (SSRw1)
yeah; we should move the whole enterprise to Greece...
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (g47mK)
469
I blew that statement writ
I don't really give a fk about Ukraine
I don't really give a fk about Ukraine
Posted by: Skip at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (fwDg9)
470
Europe is done. It's like the Biden of continents.
The future lies in Asia.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:49 PM (YqDXo)
Asia can suck a dick too. They can have their own future in Asia, I'm more concerned about the future of America.
The future lies in Asia.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 02, 2025 01:49 PM (YqDXo)
Asia can suck a dick too. They can have their own future in Asia, I'm more concerned about the future of America.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (uCjyK)
471
Arrest all those Vermont assholes for depriving Vance and his family their civil rights.
Right of free movement.
Right of free movement.
Posted by: From about That Time at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (n4GiU)
472
Starmer announced his intent to put boots on the ground and planes in the air to protect a non-existent "peace deal".
Because nothing screams "Peace And Safety" more than flooding the area with soldiers and weapons of war.
Because nothing screams "Peace And Safety" more than flooding the area with soldiers and weapons of war.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (a4flb)
473
I don’t really understand why a nuclear submarine needed fuel oil.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:43 PM
The Captain's gig.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 01:43 PM
The Captain's gig.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (a3Q+t)
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> Maintenance practices for emergency diesel generator engines onboard United States Navy Los Angeles class nuclear submarines
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I hope it suggests being at periscope depth and the snorkel deployed.
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I hope it suggests being at periscope depth and the snorkel deployed.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (Q4IgG)
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>>Asia can suck a dick too. They can have their own future in Asia, I'm more concerned about the future of America.
Look southward. There's a reason Trump picked Rubio.
Look southward. There's a reason Trump picked Rubio.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 02, 2025 01:56 PM (LkLld)
476
Since when is Rice and others' interference not a violation of the Logan Act?
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM
It's (D)ifferent when they do it.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM
It's (D)ifferent when they do it.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 02, 2025 01:56 PM (a3Q+t)
477
The only current benefit of NATO is keeping various European powers on the same page and not shooting at each other.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 02, 2025 01:56 PM (1NJ7X)
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at March 02, 2025 01:57 PM (SXxzC)
479
We still need the NATO alliance. It still has strategic value to the US.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (g47mK)
What?
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (g47mK)
What?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:57 PM (ExV1e)
480
Since when is Rice and others' interference not a violation of the Logan Act?
Logan Act is a joke, as we will continue to see in the non prosecution of clear violations.
Logan Act is a joke, as we will continue to see in the non prosecution of clear violations.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 02, 2025 01:57 PM (a4flb)
Posted by: jsg at March 02, 2025 01:57 PM (UJ+K5)
482
471 Arrest all those Vermont assholes for depriving Vance and his family their civil rights.
Right of free movement.
Posted by: From about That Time at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (n4GiU)
But they didn't.. The same with the "protestors "warning "Immigrants" that ICE was there with Megaphones.. Just arrest their asses.. Enough is enough
Right of free movement.
Posted by: From about That Time at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (n4GiU)
But they didn't.. The same with the "protestors "warning "Immigrants" that ICE was there with Megaphones.. Just arrest their asses.. Enough is enough
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 01:57 PM (VE6XX)
483
Asia can suck a dick too. They can have their own future in Asia, I'm more concerned about the future of America.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (uCjyK)
If there aren't efforts underway right now, to divest all ties with Taiwan, so we don't have to care one way or another whether Beijing takes it back or not, then we're stupid.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (uCjyK)
If there aren't efforts underway right now, to divest all ties with Taiwan, so we don't have to care one way or another whether Beijing takes it back or not, then we're stupid.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:57 PM (9D/Jg)
484
He needs to be ousted; let him take some portion of his stolen billions and settle down to a life of ease in the French Riviera well away from any power
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Why let him have anything? Let the families of the dead, deal with him.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Why let him have anything? Let the families of the dead, deal with him.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:58 PM (2NXcZ)
Posted by: Z-Man at March 02, 2025 01:58 PM (tbPZr)
486
Z. You left in the rain without closing the door, I didn't stand in your way
Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 02, 2025 01:58 PM (WF/xn)
487
The only current benefit of NATO is keeping various European powers on the same page and not shooting at each other.
In my opinion, Europe could certainly use the discipline and cleansing power of people shooting each other.
Allegedly, its the greatest thing for Ukrainian Europeans to shoot Russian Europeans.
In my opinion, Europe could certainly use the discipline and cleansing power of people shooting each other.
Allegedly, its the greatest thing for Ukrainian Europeans to shoot Russian Europeans.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 02, 2025 01:58 PM (a4flb)
488
that ICE was there with Megaphones.. Just arrest their asses.. Enough is enough
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 01:57 PM (VE6XX)
ICE didn't have the megaphones that was worded badly LOL
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 01:57 PM (VE6XX)
ICE didn't have the megaphones that was worded badly LOL
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 01:58 PM (VE6XX)
489
I think Z was under the impression that if he signed the minerals deal, he'd get security guarantees. Something for something. But Trump's big idea was that the minerals deal *was* the security guarantee, as if Putin would pay the least attention to something like that. So when Trump said, no, you're not getting any guarantees, there was no point in going any further, and no point at all in pretending to like it. Unless Europe can pull something out of the hat (unlikely) Ukraine are gonna get crushed, slowly and painfully, or if Trump cuts off the funding, fast. So it goes. You soon learn who can be relied on to help a neighbor.
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (99Qm2)
Yeah. No. I think Putin would pay attention to that. He respects force. He respects Trump. He doesn't respect the Ukrainian kleptocracy that dresses up Zelensky and sends him in his crisp work clothes to foreign lands to hustle more cash for their bank accounts.
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (99Qm2)
Yeah. No. I think Putin would pay attention to that. He respects force. He respects Trump. He doesn't respect the Ukrainian kleptocracy that dresses up Zelensky and sends him in his crisp work clothes to foreign lands to hustle more cash for their bank accounts.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 01:58 PM (rj6Yv)
490
The Captain's gig.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (a3Q+t)
What's a captain's gig, is that like his vibrator?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (a3Q+t)
What's a captain's gig, is that like his vibrator?
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:59 PM (9D/Jg)
491
But they only took taxis in the Seinfeld show.
... I don't recall recurring subway scenes ...
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 02, 2025 01:53 PM (/lPRQ)
It's a TV show. They also all owned cars on the upper west side. And had huge apartments and no one seemed to work much.
But there was that famous episode that I think took place nearly entirely in the subway system.
That said, I do know a few people who refuse to take the subway. It's just very expensive to go everywhere in taxis and ubers, but doable depending on your income.
... I don't recall recurring subway scenes ...
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 02, 2025 01:53 PM (/lPRQ)
It's a TV show. They also all owned cars on the upper west side. And had huge apartments and no one seemed to work much.
But there was that famous episode that I think took place nearly entirely in the subway system.
That said, I do know a few people who refuse to take the subway. It's just very expensive to go everywhere in taxis and ubers, but doable depending on your income.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:59 PM (uCjyK)
492
Why let him have anything? Let the families of the dead, deal with him.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:58 PM (2NXcZ)
I'd bet he is a target
Why let him have anything? Let the families of the dead, deal with him.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 01:58 PM (2NXcZ)
I'd bet he is a target
Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 02, 2025 01:59 PM (WF/xn)
493
If there aren't efforts underway right now, to divest all ties with Taiwan, so we don't have to care one way or another whether Beijing takes it back or not, then we're stupid.
In other news, Intel has indefinitely paused their construction of a semi-conductor plant in the US.
In other news, Intel has indefinitely paused their construction of a semi-conductor plant in the US.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 02, 2025 01:59 PM (a4flb)
494
458 We still need the NATO alliance. It still has strategic value to the US.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (g47mK)
Not so sure. We paid for them to not defense up and let their children get raped.
Not seeing an upside.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (g47mK)
Not so sure. We paid for them to not defense up and let their children get raped.
Not seeing an upside.
Posted by: jsg at March 02, 2025 01:59 PM (UJ+K5)
495
The Captain's gig.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (a3Q+t)
What's a captain's gig, is that like his vibrator?
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:59 PM (9D/Jg)
A gig is a small boat. Submarines don't have them.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (a3Q+t)
What's a captain's gig, is that like his vibrator?
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 01:59 PM (9D/Jg)
A gig is a small boat. Submarines don't have them.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 02:00 PM (ExV1e)
496
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (99Qm2)
.....
I think you aren't very bright.
It was Zelenskyy who was floating the minerals deal as justification to Americans to stay engaged in the war.
Trump said "Sure, fine buddy. Sign over all your minerals", at which point Zelenskyy said "umm, uh, maybe in a little bit, let me think about it."
Trump called his bullshit bluff, and as his been already proven, it would take America roughly 170 years to recoup $500 billion from Ukraine through mining operations at their current output rates.
.....
I think you aren't very bright.
It was Zelenskyy who was floating the minerals deal as justification to Americans to stay engaged in the war.
Trump said "Sure, fine buddy. Sign over all your minerals", at which point Zelenskyy said "umm, uh, maybe in a little bit, let me think about it."
Trump called his bullshit bluff, and as his been already proven, it would take America roughly 170 years to recoup $500 billion from Ukraine through mining operations at their current output rates.
Posted by: Just sayin at March 02, 2025 02:00 PM (9ptcg)
497
No heroes in Europe since 1945, you say. I beg to disagree. I give you two examples, who also happen to be both Dutch and homosexual ( I hate the word gay): Pim Fortuyn, Theo Van Gogh.
Posted by: Anacleto Mitraglia at March 02, 2025 02:00 PM (knarD)
498
But there was that famous episode that I think took place nearly entirely in the subway system“
Was that the “Ukraine is not weak!!!” Episode?
Was that the “Ukraine is not weak!!!” Episode?
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 02, 2025 02:00 PM (SSRw1)
499
That said, I do know a few people who refuse to take the subway.
Mostly those who don't want to be set on fire by illegal aliens.
Mostly those who don't want to be set on fire by illegal aliens.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 02, 2025 02:00 PM (a4flb)
500
Is NATO splintering ?
Sure seems like NATO is slow-motion splintering.
Posted by: jsg
I believe Trump told both Macron and Starmer to make their own plans instead of marching in lockstep with the rest of Europe. Germany is a lost cause, and the rest of Europe is a financial sinkhole. I don't think Starmer will listen.
Sure seems like NATO is slow-motion splintering.
Posted by: jsg
I believe Trump told both Macron and Starmer to make their own plans instead of marching in lockstep with the rest of Europe. Germany is a lost cause, and the rest of Europe is a financial sinkhole. I don't think Starmer will listen.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 02, 2025 02:00 PM (1NJ7X)
501
Since when is Rice and others' interference not a violation of the Logan Act?
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (1NJ7X)
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Rice calls Hemingway a liar:
https://tinyurl.com/5fnykrxr
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 02, 2025 01:55 PM (1NJ7X)
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Rice calls Hemingway a liar:
https://tinyurl.com/5fnykrxr
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 02:01 PM (T3vgT)
502
If there aren't efforts underway right now, to divest all ties with Taiwan, so we don't have to care one way or another whether Beijing takes it back or not, then we're stupid.
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In other news, Intel has indefinitely paused their construction of a semi-conductor plant in the US.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 02, 2025 01:59 PM (a4flb)
Geniuses!
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In other news, Intel has indefinitely paused their construction of a semi-conductor plant in the US.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 02, 2025 01:59 PM (a4flb)
Geniuses!
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 02:01 PM (9D/Jg)
503
FIRST WORLD NOOD
Posted by: Skip at March 02, 2025 02:01 PM (fwDg9)
504
What?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:57 PM (ExV1e)
Are you asking what is the strategic value of NATO ? If you are the answer is "It is our "verify"'. You know, that whole "trust but verify" thing. I am not saying it needs to remain in the same money sucking form, with nobody but US paying for it.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 01:57 PM (ExV1e)
Are you asking what is the strategic value of NATO ? If you are the answer is "It is our "verify"'. You know, that whole "trust but verify" thing. I am not saying it needs to remain in the same money sucking form, with nobody but US paying for it.
Posted by: runner at March 02, 2025 02:01 PM (g47mK)
505
Rice calls Hemingway a liar:
https://tinyurl.com/5fnykrxr
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 02:01 PM (T3vgT)
Imagine that a certified liar calling a proven fact teller a liar...
Rice calls Hemingway a liar:
https://tinyurl.com/5fnykrxr
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 02:01 PM (T3vgT)
Imagine that a certified liar calling a proven fact teller a liar...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 02:02 PM (VE6XX)
506
Not so sure. We paid for them to not defense up and let their children get raped.
Not seeing an upside.
Posted by: jsg at March 02, 2025 01:59 PM (UJ+K5)
Me neither. Men who let kids get raped by these ferals, need fixing, not defending. They're also pro-censorship, anti-religion, and well they have a few nice museums the content of which we can take when the ferals get the upper hand.
Not seeing an upside.
Posted by: jsg at March 02, 2025 01:59 PM (UJ+K5)
Me neither. Men who let kids get raped by these ferals, need fixing, not defending. They're also pro-censorship, anti-religion, and well they have a few nice museums the content of which we can take when the ferals get the upper hand.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 02:02 PM (2NXcZ)
507
NATO allows us to force project, but it makes the Europeans fat , lazy and stupid. They'd collapse in a heap of Islamic invaders and political incompetence if we ever pulled out
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 02, 2025 02:02 PM (EG7Bp)
508
Asia can suck a dick too.
My Asian is an enthusiastic dick sucker! Git a nice beeper this morning!
My Asian is an enthusiastic dick sucker! Git a nice beeper this morning!
Posted by: Pendulating Richard at March 02, 2025 02:03 PM (tbPZr)
509
A gig is a small boat. Submarines don't have them.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 02:00 PM (ExV1e)
Maybe Elon can get on that, find a way to invent one.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 02:00 PM (ExV1e)
Maybe Elon can get on that, find a way to invent one.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 02:04 PM (9D/Jg)
510
I don't think Starmer will listen.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 02, 2025 02:00 PM (1NJ7X)
No, he had a big love party for Zelensky today and they all licked his balls. They think they can write an agreement to which we will supply "assurances" and that we'll do it on account of because.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 02, 2025 02:00 PM (1NJ7X)
No, he had a big love party for Zelensky today and they all licked his balls. They think they can write an agreement to which we will supply "assurances" and that we'll do it on account of because.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 02:04 PM (2NXcZ)
511
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 01:52 PM (99Qm2)
Lot to unpack there. First off, we're not Ukraine's neighbor. Second off, this entire war was an intelligence op from the beginning, led by the US, UK and Germany.
They decided to put Zelensky in charge and they decided to start this war.
Third off, I don't know why you have such a hardon about Putin. He's been the leader of Russia for a quarter century at this point and has done none of the things you'd suggest he do.
And fourth off, neither Trump nor Putin are going to agree to American soldiers patrolling the Ukraine / Russian border, nor fucking should they. The CIA thinks using Z like this was going to back Trump in to a corner? That's some balls those assholes have.
Z reneged on his promise to sign the deal Trump brokered, brought up a poison pill term that no one is going to agree to, and told Trump he's not interested in a cease fire unless America sends troops, more weapons, and more money.
And then attacked JD Vance personally.
So Trump acted 100% appropriately here. If Z insists on continuing to allow thousands of people to die so that he can get rich, we should wash our hands of this situation.
Lot to unpack there. First off, we're not Ukraine's neighbor. Second off, this entire war was an intelligence op from the beginning, led by the US, UK and Germany.
They decided to put Zelensky in charge and they decided to start this war.
Third off, I don't know why you have such a hardon about Putin. He's been the leader of Russia for a quarter century at this point and has done none of the things you'd suggest he do.
And fourth off, neither Trump nor Putin are going to agree to American soldiers patrolling the Ukraine / Russian border, nor fucking should they. The CIA thinks using Z like this was going to back Trump in to a corner? That's some balls those assholes have.
Z reneged on his promise to sign the deal Trump brokered, brought up a poison pill term that no one is going to agree to, and told Trump he's not interested in a cease fire unless America sends troops, more weapons, and more money.
And then attacked JD Vance personally.
So Trump acted 100% appropriately here. If Z insists on continuing to allow thousands of people to die so that he can get rich, we should wash our hands of this situation.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 02:05 PM (uCjyK)
512
It's not on your phone's browser settings, it's in your keyboard settings.
Posted by: Angzarr
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Thanks
Posted by: Angzarr
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Thanks
Posted by: From about That Time at March 02, 2025 02:05 PM (n4GiU)
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>>>
Look southward. There's a reason Trump picked Rubio.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Next step, Bolsonaro, Brazil.
Look southward. There's a reason Trump picked Rubio.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Next step, Bolsonaro, Brazil.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 02, 2025 02:05 PM (IkhKe)
514
"Yeah. No. I think Putin would pay attention to that. He respects force."
Absolutely! And Trump just *ruled out* using force!
"It was Zelenskyy who was floating the minerals deal as justification to Americans to stay engaged in the war."
And Trump is pulling out of the war.
Absolutely! And Trump just *ruled out* using force!
"It was Zelenskyy who was floating the minerals deal as justification to Americans to stay engaged in the war."
And Trump is pulling out of the war.
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 02:05 PM (99Qm2)
515
Rice calls Hemingway a liar:
https://tinyurl.com/5fnykrxr
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 02:01 PM (T3vgT)
Imagine that a certified liar calling a proven fact teller a liar...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 02:02 PM (VE6XX)
The fourth Obama term that got away.
https://tinyurl.com/5fnykrxr
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 02:01 PM (T3vgT)
Imagine that a certified liar calling a proven fact teller a liar...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 02, 2025 02:02 PM (VE6XX)
The fourth Obama term that got away.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 02:05 PM (rj6Yv)
516
507 NATO allows us to force project, but it makes the Europeans fat , lazy and stupid. They'd collapse in a heap of Islamic invaders and political incompetence if we ever pulled out
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 02, 2025 02:02 PM (EG7Bp)
Trump is doing them a huge favor, then.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 02, 2025 02:02 PM (EG7Bp)
Trump is doing them a huge favor, then.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 02:06 PM (2NXcZ)
517
So Trump acted 100% appropriately here. If Z insists on continuing to allow thousands of people to die so that he can get rich, we should wash our hands of this situation.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 02:05 PM (uCjyK)
*fistbump*
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 02:05 PM (uCjyK)
*fistbump*
Posted by: jsg at March 02, 2025 02:06 PM (UJ+K5)
518
If there aren't efforts underway right now, to divest all ties with Taiwan, so we don't have to care one way or another whether Beijing takes it back or not, then we're stupid.
In other news, Intel has indefinitely paused their construction of a semi-conductor plant in the US.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
As Pixy pointed out previously, if TSMC wants another fab in Taiwan, they can build one and have it turning out chips in 22 months.
In the USA, it takes 39 months. That's due to delays in permitting for environmental laws, etc, as well as labor practices that let them build non-stop over there, while our contractors don't usually work 3 shifts, 7 days a week.
TSMC is building in Arizona now, but if we want to replace TSMC's full capacity on Taiwan, we would need trillions invested here, yesterday, to maybe have a way to build all our chips on US soil by the tail end of Trump's term.
In other news, Intel has indefinitely paused their construction of a semi-conductor plant in the US.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
As Pixy pointed out previously, if TSMC wants another fab in Taiwan, they can build one and have it turning out chips in 22 months.
In the USA, it takes 39 months. That's due to delays in permitting for environmental laws, etc, as well as labor practices that let them build non-stop over there, while our contractors don't usually work 3 shifts, 7 days a week.
TSMC is building in Arizona now, but if we want to replace TSMC's full capacity on Taiwan, we would need trillions invested here, yesterday, to maybe have a way to build all our chips on US soil by the tail end of Trump's term.
Posted by: mikeski at March 02, 2025 02:07 PM (DgGvY)
519
So Trump acted 100% appropriately here. If Z insists on continuing to allow thousands of people to die so that he can get rich, we should wash our hands of this situation.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 02:05 PM (uCjyK)
If the ukes ever want to talk again they should get rid of Zelensky and get us a new "resident" to talk to.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 02:05 PM (uCjyK)
If the ukes ever want to talk again they should get rid of Zelensky and get us a new "resident" to talk to.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 02, 2025 02:08 PM (2NXcZ)
520
Conservatives aren't for Putin. They are just logical in how things are in the real world. Most Conservatives are Israel's biggest defenders , especially in comparison to the Left yet the American Jewish vote is 80% or more for Leftist candidates. Most conservatives don't take a political position but rather a basic what's right position ( mainly a moral position of good and evil)
In the case of Ukraine , most conservatives see that the current leaders of Ukraine over threw a legitimately elected government even with the offer of an internationally monitored do over. They bombed ethnic Russians. They outlawed the Russian language. They pushed for NATO membership. And that the biggest Ukrainian advocates were evil leftists such as George Soros. They saw billions of dollars going to Ukraine to protect their border while the Left here wouldn't give a dime for our border protection. They also saw the corruption from the get go and Ukraine's refusal to consider any negotiated peace . And finally they saw the dictator moves of Zelensky.
They don't like Putin. They just don't like the whole premise of this Lefty war and putting America in the middle of it.
In the case of Ukraine , most conservatives see that the current leaders of Ukraine over threw a legitimately elected government even with the offer of an internationally monitored do over. They bombed ethnic Russians. They outlawed the Russian language. They pushed for NATO membership. And that the biggest Ukrainian advocates were evil leftists such as George Soros. They saw billions of dollars going to Ukraine to protect their border while the Left here wouldn't give a dime for our border protection. They also saw the corruption from the get go and Ukraine's refusal to consider any negotiated peace . And finally they saw the dictator moves of Zelensky.
They don't like Putin. They just don't like the whole premise of this Lefty war and putting America in the middle of it.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 02, 2025 02:09 PM (VofaG)
521
I don't think Trump overreacted at all. Zelensky was there to sign a deal, then after a reporter asked Trump about security guarantees (aka American boots on the ground), Trump demurred on the question, said he wanted to finalize a cease fire first.
Zelensky then jumped in, talked over Trump, and said there would be no deal without security guarantees.
So he just told Trump to go fuck himself, publicly rebuked him, and said he was not signing the deal. Which was the whole point of him going to DC and sitting at that presser. So he pulled the rug out from under Trump, then started an argument with JD Vance, where he called him "JD" and started insulting his intelligence and speaking down to him.
That's when Trump jumped in. If anything, Trump was uncharacteristically restrained. Which I think was great to watch, it showed Trump in his natural "deal making" element and not his bombastic TV personality.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:27 PM (uCjyK)
I said JD and Trump 'seemed' to have over reacted maybe because they were prepissed off.
Please post the link to all what you quoted Zelenskyy as to have said. I have a seven minute vid that has none of what you claim
Zelensky then jumped in, talked over Trump, and said there would be no deal without security guarantees.
So he just told Trump to go fuck himself, publicly rebuked him, and said he was not signing the deal. Which was the whole point of him going to DC and sitting at that presser. So he pulled the rug out from under Trump, then started an argument with JD Vance, where he called him "JD" and started insulting his intelligence and speaking down to him.
That's when Trump jumped in. If anything, Trump was uncharacteristically restrained. Which I think was great to watch, it showed Trump in his natural "deal making" element and not his bombastic TV personality.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 01:27 PM (uCjyK)
I said JD and Trump 'seemed' to have over reacted maybe because they were prepissed off.
Please post the link to all what you quoted Zelenskyy as to have said. I have a seven minute vid that has none of what you claim
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 02:09 PM (w4nzS)
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"It was Zelenskyy who was floating the minerals deal as justification to Americans to stay engaged in the war."
And Trump is pulling out of the war.
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 02:05 PM (99Qm2)
I don't know what Zelensky is thinking. But I'm sure that he's thinking whatever he's been told to think. Trump made it very very clear that a minerals deal would be a result of a peace agreement, NOT as a predicate for a peace agreement. Zelensky knew that, the Ukrainian ambassador who buried her face in her hands knew that, the entire Trump administration knew that. So why don't you know that?
And Trump is pulling out of the war.
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 02:05 PM (99Qm2)
I don't know what Zelensky is thinking. But I'm sure that he's thinking whatever he's been told to think. Trump made it very very clear that a minerals deal would be a result of a peace agreement, NOT as a predicate for a peace agreement. Zelensky knew that, the Ukrainian ambassador who buried her face in her hands knew that, the entire Trump administration knew that. So why don't you know that?
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 02:09 PM (rj6Yv)
523
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 02:05 PM (99Qm2)
So your solution to this contrived war is to send US troops to fight the Russians in Ukraine?
Here's the thing: most of us are not sociopaths who want to start WWIII, and most of us are not on the CIA / USAID payroll, so it's going to be very hard to convince most of us to do something so insanely stupid and contrary to the best interests of ourselves, neighbors, and country.
But if you want to go fight the Ruskies so badly, I'm sure you can volunteer to join the Ukrainian military and have at it.
So your solution to this contrived war is to send US troops to fight the Russians in Ukraine?
Here's the thing: most of us are not sociopaths who want to start WWIII, and most of us are not on the CIA / USAID payroll, so it's going to be very hard to convince most of us to do something so insanely stupid and contrary to the best interests of ourselves, neighbors, and country.
But if you want to go fight the Ruskies so badly, I'm sure you can volunteer to join the Ukrainian military and have at it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 02:10 PM (uCjyK)
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We still need the NATO alliance. It still has strategic value to the US.
Posted by: runner
Name me 3 things of value.
Posted by: runner
Name me 3 things of value.
Posted by: MkY at March 02, 2025 02:11 PM (cPGH3)
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I said JD and Trump 'seemed' to have over reacted maybe because they were prepissed off.
Please post the link to all what you quoted Zelenskyy as to have said. I have a seven minute vid that has none of what you claim
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 02:09 PM (w4nzS)
Sure. Here's the full video, I've watched it three times now, but I'm not going to transcribe the whole thing lol.
But you can never trust the media and their 7 minute super cuts, you know that!
https://tinyurl.com/yzrxp55f
Please post the link to all what you quoted Zelenskyy as to have said. I have a seven minute vid that has none of what you claim
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 02, 2025 02:09 PM (w4nzS)
Sure. Here's the full video, I've watched it three times now, but I'm not going to transcribe the whole thing lol.
But you can never trust the media and their 7 minute super cuts, you know that!
https://tinyurl.com/yzrxp55f
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 02, 2025 02:12 PM (uCjyK)
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If there aren't efforts underway right now, to divest all ties with Taiwan, so we don't have to care one way or another whether Beijing takes it back or not, then we're stupid.
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I disagree with the idea of giving Taiwan to the CCP. Our economic interest is to support independence there. Our allies in the Pacific, allies who spend a lot on their own defense, have taken that position. Japan for one, and we have an iron-clad obligation to defend Japan. China can only negotiate with Taiwan. Invading will cause a war in the Pacific and we will be dragged in, like it or not.
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I disagree with the idea of giving Taiwan to the CCP. Our economic interest is to support independence there. Our allies in the Pacific, allies who spend a lot on their own defense, have taken that position. Japan for one, and we have an iron-clad obligation to defend Japan. China can only negotiate with Taiwan. Invading will cause a war in the Pacific and we will be dragged in, like it or not.
Posted by: Huck Follwood at March 02, 2025 02:15 PM (BVSYA)
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Rice calls Hemingway a liar:
https://tinyurl.com/5fnykrxr
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 02:01 PM (T3vgT)
Over the target...
https://tinyurl.com/5fnykrxr
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 02, 2025 02:01 PM (T3vgT)
Over the target...
Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 02, 2025 02:17 PM (WF/xn)
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I don’t really understand why a nuclear submarine needed fuel oil.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Backup generator?
I don’t really understand why a nuclear submarine needed fuel oil.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Backup generator?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 02, 2025 02:18 PM (63Dwl)
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Zelensky (one "y", and I don't give a shit how he himself transliterates it) ambushed Trump. The meeting pretext was to sign the minerals deal Trump wants. Zelinsky had that one job. He totally screwed the pooch, and I don't see how Trump can trust him with a second chance. Ukraine needs a new guy.
Posted by: Huck Follwood at March 02, 2025 02:18 PM (BVSYA)
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There are four possible outcomes of the war:
1) Ukraine wins.
2) Russia Wins.
3) Stalemate.
4) WWIII - everyone loses.
#2 is unlikely. #1 might cause Russia to collapse internally, and civil war with nukes. #4 is unthinkable. #3 is the only real solution.
1) Ukraine wins.
2) Russia Wins.
3) Stalemate.
4) WWIII - everyone loses.
#2 is unlikely. #1 might cause Russia to collapse internally, and civil war with nukes. #4 is unthinkable. #3 is the only real solution.
Posted by: El Mariachi at March 02, 2025 02:19 PM (mvURQ)
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"Lot to unpack there. First off, we're not Ukraine's neighbor."
I meant in the Christian sense, not the geographic.
"And fourth off, neither Trump nor Putin are going to agree to American soldiers patrolling the Ukraine / Russian border, nor fucking should they."
Not suggesting that. It would be a waste of money. All it needs is an agreement that if Russia invade again, the US would help. Which is not going to be forthcoming, so why all the talk about a deal?
The US can drop the Ukraine in the woodchipper if they choose - it's our money. But don't pretend that's not what we're doing.
"told Trump he's not interested in a cease fire unless America sends troops, more weapons, and more money."
Ukraine needs a deal to end the war, but there's no point if Putin can re-arm and go back in in a few years. That's why anything that would allow Ukraine to defend itself is a red line - because that's the plan. We all want to stop the war and end the bleeding, but for God's sake come up with a proper plan with at least half a chance of working!
I meant in the Christian sense, not the geographic.
"And fourth off, neither Trump nor Putin are going to agree to American soldiers patrolling the Ukraine / Russian border, nor fucking should they."
Not suggesting that. It would be a waste of money. All it needs is an agreement that if Russia invade again, the US would help. Which is not going to be forthcoming, so why all the talk about a deal?
The US can drop the Ukraine in the woodchipper if they choose - it's our money. But don't pretend that's not what we're doing.
"told Trump he's not interested in a cease fire unless America sends troops, more weapons, and more money."
Ukraine needs a deal to end the war, but there's no point if Putin can re-arm and go back in in a few years. That's why anything that would allow Ukraine to defend itself is a red line - because that's the plan. We all want to stop the war and end the bleeding, but for God's sake come up with a proper plan with at least half a chance of working!
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 02:19 PM (99Qm2)
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NATO allows us to force project, but it makes the Europeans fat , lazy and stupid. They'd collapse in a heap of Islamic invaders and political incompetence if we ever pulled out
How is that any different than what is happening now with the US the senior financial partner in NATO?
How is that any different than what is happening now with the US the senior financial partner in NATO?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 02, 2025 02:20 PM (a4flb)
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For the record, I have never met Zelenskyy and never spoken to him. Ever. Or advised him or anybody around him.
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Because that was Sullivan and Blinken's job
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Because that was Sullivan and Blinken's job
Posted by: Huck Follwood at March 02, 2025 02:22 PM (BVSYA)
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We all want to stop the war and end the bleeding, but for God's sake come up with a proper plan with at least half a chance of working!
What do you mean "we all" ? Anybody other than taxpayers who has a stake in this wants escalation since part of the "fog of war" is the disappearance of hundreds of billions of dollars.
What do you mean "we all" ? Anybody other than taxpayers who has a stake in this wants escalation since part of the "fog of war" is the disappearance of hundreds of billions of dollars.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 02, 2025 02:22 PM (a4flb)
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Bravo!
This little diktater went over his skis.
Let the UK fete him and give him $$$ vs fighting their own invasion by esslam and the raping of their white women. I read he's with King Charles today.
The Ukraine is corrupt with child trafficking, prostitution, organ selling, bio weapons, and money laundering our bazillions to equally corrupt politicians. Many in this country who met with him pre-tv tantrum special.
Never forget, either, the nepo sons of Pelosi, Romney and Biden who made profit in the Ukraine.
The fish was caught on live tv in my opinion. Swallowed the hook that the Dims, with the help of Barky's people like Powers, Rice and Blinken, who empowered him before they offered lines of cocaine to have him march, sniff and tantrum.
The wee tyrant did not win, in spite of what the press says, being in lockstep with their masters.
litte z is for war. Trump/Vance are for peace and America First. Our bank is closed.
This little diktater went over his skis.
Let the UK fete him and give him $$$ vs fighting their own invasion by esslam and the raping of their white women. I read he's with King Charles today.
The Ukraine is corrupt with child trafficking, prostitution, organ selling, bio weapons, and money laundering our bazillions to equally corrupt politicians. Many in this country who met with him pre-tv tantrum special.
Never forget, either, the nepo sons of Pelosi, Romney and Biden who made profit in the Ukraine.
The fish was caught on live tv in my opinion. Swallowed the hook that the Dims, with the help of Barky's people like Powers, Rice and Blinken, who empowered him before they offered lines of cocaine to have him march, sniff and tantrum.
The wee tyrant did not win, in spite of what the press says, being in lockstep with their masters.
litte z is for war. Trump/Vance are for peace and America First. Our bank is closed.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at March 02, 2025 02:24 PM (6PCLE)
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Ukraine needs a deal to end the war, but there's no point if Putin can re-arm and go back in in a few years.
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There are hit takes and then there is insane.
This guy suggests only full and permanent disarmament of Russia, will satisfy him.
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There are hit takes and then there is insane.
This guy suggests only full and permanent disarmament of Russia, will satisfy him.
Posted by: Huck Follwood at March 02, 2025 02:24 PM (BVSYA)
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"Trump made it very very clear that a minerals deal would be a result of a peace agreement, NOT as a predicate for a peace agreement."
But Trump *ruled out* a peace agreement by ruling out any security guarantees. It's the same as trying to negotiate a "peace agreement" with Hamas. It's just an opportunity for them to re-arm and try again.
But Trump *ruled out* a peace agreement by ruling out any security guarantees. It's the same as trying to negotiate a "peace agreement" with Hamas. It's just an opportunity for them to re-arm and try again.
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 02:24 PM (99Qm2)
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Not suggesting that. It would be a waste of money. All it needs is an agreement that if Russia invade again, the US would help. Which is not going to be forthcoming, so why all the talk about a deal?
The US can drop the Ukraine in the woodchipper if they choose - it's our money. But don't pretend that's not what we're doing.
Let me make this simple. You can send the young men in your family to Ukraine all you want. Me ? Fuck 'em. Woodchipper.
I'm not pretending at all.
The US can drop the Ukraine in the woodchipper if they choose - it's our money. But don't pretend that's not what we're doing.
Let me make this simple. You can send the young men in your family to Ukraine all you want. Me ? Fuck 'em. Woodchipper.
I'm not pretending at all.
Posted by: Call It What It Was at March 02, 2025 02:35 PM (3kFf4)
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Ukraine needs a deal to end the war, but there's no point if Putin can re-arm and go back in in a few years. That's why anything that would allow Ukraine to defend itself is a red line - because that's the plan. We all want to stop the war and end the bleeding, but for God's sake come up with a proper plan with at least half a chance of working!
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 02:19 PM (99Qm2)
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Well, Realpolitik, you put some time and effort into that reply, so here's mine:
The answer to Putin's aggression won't be more weapons and money sent to Ukraine. It won't be European and American boots in Ukraine.
To really check Putin in a language he understands is to do the following:
1) End the endless illegal immigration into Western European countries and boot out the illegals already there.
2) Increase the native birthrate of all Western countries to replacement levels
3) Increase defense spending to a MINIMUM of 5% GDP
4) Increase national sovereignty and decrease the authority of the EU government.
5) Significantly reduce Russian exports of fossil fuels
That kind of fortitude would give Putin reasons for concern. Good luck.
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 02:19 PM (99Qm2)
>>
Well, Realpolitik, you put some time and effort into that reply, so here's mine:
The answer to Putin's aggression won't be more weapons and money sent to Ukraine. It won't be European and American boots in Ukraine.
To really check Putin in a language he understands is to do the following:
1) End the endless illegal immigration into Western European countries and boot out the illegals already there.
2) Increase the native birthrate of all Western countries to replacement levels
3) Increase defense spending to a MINIMUM of 5% GDP
4) Increase national sovereignty and decrease the authority of the EU government.
5) Significantly reduce Russian exports of fossil fuels
That kind of fortitude would give Putin reasons for concern. Good luck.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 02:35 PM (rj6Yv)
540
Ever wonder who has the 2nd largest military in NATO, in terms of men and equipment? A country never mentioned in these discussions - Turkey. Of course they have no interest in fighting for Ukraine.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Hmmm..
Checks globe.
Turkey is a lot closer to Ukraine than these other countries willing to fight Russia to the Ukrainian.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Hmmm..
Checks globe.
Turkey is a lot closer to Ukraine than these other countries willing to fight Russia to the Ukrainian.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 02, 2025 02:37 PM (/lPRQ)
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I'll give ol' RealPolitik a bone though. He talks like my 70 years old Cold War Dad.
Dad hates Putin. Never met him. Never been outside the United States. But he's sure he hates him.
Such is the problem with the Cold War Generations. They're just so sure of what they know.
Dad hates Putin. Never met him. Never been outside the United States. But he's sure he hates him.
Such is the problem with the Cold War Generations. They're just so sure of what they know.
Posted by: Call It What It Was at March 02, 2025 02:37 PM (3kFf4)
542
Also, peace in Ukraine is like a cure for cancer, there's no money in it.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at March 02, 2025 12:56 PM (7lCFg)
Yup
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at March 02, 2025 12:56 PM (7lCFg)
Yup
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at March 02, 2025 02:39 PM (g8Ew8)
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Such is the problem with the Cold War Generations. They're just so sure of what they know.
Posted by: Call It What It Was at March 02, 2025 02:37 PM (3kFf4)
Aren't you glad to be alive to bitch about it?
Posted by: Call It What It Was at March 02, 2025 02:37 PM (3kFf4)
Aren't you glad to be alive to bitch about it?
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 02:41 PM (rj6Yv)
544
Aren't you glad to be alive to bitch about it?
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 02:41 PM (rj6Yv)
Will be dead soon enough, on the Cosmic Scale. Do I "owe" the Cold War Generations for that ?
They sure seem so.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 02:41 PM (rj6Yv)
Will be dead soon enough, on the Cosmic Scale. Do I "owe" the Cold War Generations for that ?
They sure seem so.
Posted by: Call It What It Was at March 02, 2025 02:44 PM (3kFf4)
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Everyone says that Putin is a thug and a dictator and a murderer. They know all of these things to be true because media outlets and commentators on the CIA payroll say so ad nauseum. Maybe he is. But he's also a Russian patriot and we've left him no other viable option. That's on us.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (ExV1e)
There are any number of people I listen to, because I generally appreciate their views on things, but it gets awfully tiresome hearing the preamble they must give: "Of course Putin is a thug and a dictator, but...."
Trudeau isn't a thug and a dictator? Starmer isn't? Macaroni? Biden? Obama? The Bushies? Newsome? Frau Whitmer? Dick-sucking Polis? And on and on and on?
Enough.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:36 PM (uGsHF)
This exactly.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 02, 2025 12:20 PM (ExV1e)
There are any number of people I listen to, because I generally appreciate their views on things, but it gets awfully tiresome hearing the preamble they must give: "Of course Putin is a thug and a dictator, but...."
Trudeau isn't a thug and a dictator? Starmer isn't? Macaroni? Biden? Obama? The Bushies? Newsome? Frau Whitmer? Dick-sucking Polis? And on and on and on?
Enough.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 02, 2025 12:36 PM (uGsHF)
This exactly.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at March 02, 2025 02:44 PM (LZjPt)
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"Well, Realpolitik, you put some time and effort into that reply, so here's mine:"
I totally agree.
"I'll give ol' RealPolitik a bone though. He talks like my 70 years old Cold War Dad."
Yeah. Ronald Reagan would have a fit if he could see this conversation! And as for Joe McCarthy...
I totally agree.
"I'll give ol' RealPolitik a bone though. He talks like my 70 years old Cold War Dad."
Yeah. Ronald Reagan would have a fit if he could see this conversation! And as for Joe McCarthy...
Posted by: Realpolitik at March 02, 2025 02:49 PM (99Qm2)
547
Ukraine is a hub for child trafficking. Why do you think the NeverTrumpers want to keep it around?
Posted by: The Conservative Case for Ventilating Bill Kristol at March 02, 2025 03:09 PM (cuu81)
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Time for Zenlensky to take his billions and hang out in Paris for the rest of his life.
Posted by: Ralph at March 02, 2025 03:34 PM (8WZD4)
549
Aren't you glad to be alive to bitch about it?
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 02:41 PM (rj6Yv)
He's just striving for use of most handles in one week.
Posted by: mrp at March 02, 2025 02:41 PM (rj6Yv)
He's just striving for use of most handles in one week.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 02, 2025 03:46 PM (K12aK)
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That is silly. Zelensky came for one thing, Trump and Vance had other ideas. Vance lied to Zelensky's face adn then Vance and Vance thought Zelensky was disrespectful for daring to stand up for himself.
Trump and Vance showed they were fools and asshats.
Trump and Vance showed they were fools and asshats.
Posted by: Quartermaster at March 02, 2025 05:17 PM (fs8hc)
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I'd like to know who paid for Zelenskyy's trip to PA to campaign for Harris. Was it USAID or the DNC? Elon help please.
Posted by: CRD at March 02, 2025 06:41 PM (4XZ29)
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"There are enough stories about Putin, and enough data about Russia to assume that he is in fact a thug and a dictator and a murderer."
- Bullshit. Spread by folks like Alina Polyakova who will tell you she's from Kiev, but then nothing about her family whatsoever. I'll bet these are all murderous Banderites motivated by a need to explain away and cover up their horrible pasts. 'We're not murderers, He is!' Yeah right.
- Bullshit. Spread by folks like Alina Polyakova who will tell you she's from Kiev, but then nothing about her family whatsoever. I'll bet these are all murderous Banderites motivated by a need to explain away and cover up their horrible pasts. 'We're not murderers, He is!' Yeah right.
Posted by: pakisa at March 03, 2025 04:15 AM (5NujG)
553
And 'Bellingcat' are basically the same people who got Netanyahu charged by the ICC.
Lies on lies.
Lies on lies.
Posted by: pakisa at March 03, 2025 04:23 AM (5NujG)
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During the so-called Holodomor, the Ukraine heartland (of Bandera) was part of Poland!
Posted by: pakisa at March 03, 2025 04:26 AM (5NujG)
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Posted by: ip port proxy at March 03, 2025 06:00 AM (uWYiI)
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Yeah, I'm voting party line Democrat for the next decade at least. Covid was nothing next to this lunacy.
Posted by: Rollory at March 03, 2025 06:58 AM (HZ219)
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His pre-meeting with demonrats and neocons at the Hay Adams hotel didn't inform him well...
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