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Cambridge, MA - Two years ago this month, Alan Lowenstein, associate professor of philosophy at Harvard University, came to a fateful conclusion. "I suddenly realized that the oppression of western technology extended to my own life," he explained. "That's when I got rid of my computer, threw away my Brooks Brothers suits, changed my name to Grok and moved into a cave." A passionate critic of Euro-American "linear thought," Grok is one of a growing number of college professors around the nation who have relocated to caves, mud huts and makeshift sweat lodges to demonstrate their disdain for western culture and technology. For Grok, 44, the move to a cave was a natural step in his intellectual progression. "My dissertation at Columbia synthesized the seminal works of Jacques Lacan, Derrida, and Michel Foucault," says Grok, referring to the influential French deconstructionist philosophers. "I was able to prove, conclusively, that conclusiveness is not conclusive."Was this Grok ahead of his time?
Glomming. . . it checks out in Urban Dictionary. Glom is a funny word. I've always mixed it up with grok. Only grok is a Martian word.OH! It's a Martian word! Does that remind anyone of Elon Musk? One of Musk's acts of villainy this week (according to leftists, who really, really hate him) was to suggest that people not contribute to Wikipedia, saying that the organization should "restore balance". In September, David Strom wrote a piece noting Daily Caller's investigation showing that Wikipedia Employs Left-Wing Groups to Edit Controversial Topics. But let's not hold a grudge. Here's a link to the wiki on Grok, which is quite lengthy, considering that it's mostly about how to define a word.
Grok (/ˈɡrɒk/) is a neologism coined by American writer Robert A. Heinlein for his 1961 science fiction novel Stranger in a Strange Land. While the Oxford English Dictionary summarizes the meaning of grok as "to understand intuitively or by empathy, to establish rapport with" and "to empathize or communicate sympathetically (with); also, to experience enjoyment",[1] Heinlein's concept is far more nuanced, with critic Istvan Csicsery-Ronay Jr. observing that "the book's major theme can be seen as an extended definition of the term."[2] The concept of grok garnered significant critical scrutiny in the years after the book's initial publication. The term and aspects of the underlying concept have become part of communities such as computer science.It's Heinlein!
Etymology Robert A. Heinlein originally coined the term grok in his 1961 novel Stranger in a Strange Land as a Martian word that could not be defined in Earthling terms, but can be associated with various literal meanings such as "water", "to drink", "to relate", "life", or "to live", and had a much more profound figurative meaning that is hard for terrestrial culture to understand because of its assumption of a singular reality.[7] According to the book, drinking water is a central focus on Mars, where it is scarce. Martians use the merging of their bodies with water as a simple example or symbol of how two entities can combine to create a new reality greater than the sum of its parts. The water becomes part of the drinker, and the drinker part of the water. Both grok each other. Things that once had separate realities become entangled in the same experiences, goals, history, and purpose. Within the book, the statement of divine immanence verbalized among the main characters, "thou art God", is logically derived from the concept inherent in the term grok.[8][9] Heinlein describes Martian words as "guttural" and "jarring". Martian speech is described as sounding "like a bullfrog fighting a cat". Accordingly, grok is generally pronounced as a guttural gr terminated by a sharp k with very little or no vowel sound (a narrow IPA transcription might be [ɡɹ̩kʰ]).[10] William Tenn suggests Heinlein in creating the word might have been influenced by Tenn's very similar concept of griggo, earlier introduced in Tenn's story Venus and the Seven Sexes (published in 1949). In his later afterword to the story, Tenn says Heinlein considered such influence "very possible".[11]You could get really carried away by going deep into all the additional meanings and usages of this word. Including, of course, its usages in the world of computers. Do you generally think of this word as a verb, a noun, or some other part of speech?
This is hilarious pic.twitter.com/P66ECvH7cK
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Know what you’re talking about when you sing “troll the ancient Yuletide carol.”
This is a story about successful kids (especially boys), common sense, and research. Most of us spend hours each day sitting at work. Science says it’s killing us, and we have developed all kinds of fads to combat it–from standing desks to smartphone alerts to get us up and moving. Armed with that knowledge, however, what do we force our kids to do each day at school? Sit still, for six or eight hours. Now researchers say that mistake leads us into a three-pronged, perfect storm of problems:I don't think these problems are limited to boys, or to kids. Have some fun!
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Good morning KT
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2024 11:04 AM (fwDg9)
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Someone dinted my car door yesterday in the Food Lion parking lot.
Posted by: Sad Sack at December 28, 2024 11:08 AM (G5+As)
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So Ted Kaczinski was just ahead of his time eh?
Or Grok will be sending bombs to destroy what he loathe?
Or Grok will be sending bombs to destroy what he loathe?
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2024 11:08 AM (fwDg9)
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Test
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2024 11:09 AM (I6rgD)
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Aaaannndddd I can comment again. Excellent.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2024 11:09 AM (I6rgD)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 28, 2024 11:10 AM (URPU1)
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It’s difficult to understand today just how incredibly influential Stranger in a Strange Land was in its era. I mean, I enjoy the book a lot, but read old hippies and SiaSL is probably more influential among them than The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is among old-school libertarians.
We have always lived in Heinlein’s crazy years.
We have always lived in Heinlein’s crazy years.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 28, 2024 11:10 AM (EXyHK)
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"My dissertation at Columbia synthesized the seminal works of Jacques Lacan, Derrida, and Michel Foucault"
That makes "Grok" an incredible asshole and a post-modern communist.
That makes "Grok" an incredible asshole and a post-modern communist.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2024 11:11 AM (d9fT1)
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Someone Might’ve Been Set on Fire in NYC Again
A man was found with burns on his body at Penn Station in New York on Friday evening and was transported to a hospital, where he was in stable condition, fire and police officials said.
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I guess this going to be a thing now.
A man was found with burns on his body at Penn Station in New York on Friday evening and was transported to a hospital, where he was in stable condition, fire and police officials said.
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I guess this going to be a thing now.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at December 28, 2024 11:13 AM (L/fGl)
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I also endorse all deconstructionist college professors quoting and living in caves. I also support support the deextinctioning of the cave bear
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 28, 2024 11:13 AM (URPU1)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2024 11:13 AM (7MHHr)
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All day with an elderly British lady as a tour guide. Fucking ponderous. Nonstop commentary that smacks of dementia and awkward long pauses that just….
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2024 11:13 AM (adJfB)
Posted by: BignJames at December 28, 2024 11:13 AM (Yj6Os)
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La Cava was a breakfast/lunch nook on Madison Avenue, near 54th Street. Always a line, but it moved fast, as the workers hauled butt, yelling "Toast a bagel!", "Hot cocoa to go!", etc. They pushed out a huge amount of food and drink in record time. There were like 5-6 steps down from the sidewalk, which is why the La Cava name.
Posted by: Forgotten NYC at December 28, 2024 11:13 AM (G5+As)
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I also endorse all deconstructionist college professors quoting and living in caves. I also support support the deextinctioning of the cave bear
And feeding them (the bears) copious quantities of cocaine and/or bath salts.
And feeding them (the bears) copious quantities of cocaine and/or bath salts.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:14 AM (xCA6C)
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Groks temper tantrum about western culture illustrates CONCLUSIVELY what is wrong with the academy and more generally our educational system.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 28, 2024 11:15 AM (yM17g)
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No caves around here. Not even a natural rock that wasn't brought here by train or truck. Within 100 miles.
Posted by: Sandy Britches at December 28, 2024 11:16 AM (G5+As)
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Groks temper tantrum about western culture illustrates CONCLUSIVELY what is wrong with the academy and more generally our educational system.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 28, 2024 11:15 AM (yM17g)
I'll bet Grok couldn't make a fire w/o matches, lighter, accelerant.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 28, 2024 11:15 AM (yM17g)
I'll bet Grok couldn't make a fire w/o matches, lighter, accelerant.
Posted by: BignJames at December 28, 2024 11:17 AM (Yj6Os)
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Hmmm, I thought grok came from Mork and Mindy and meant to really understand something. So I've been incorrectly saying I don't grok something for years now.
Oh well.
Oh well.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 28, 2024 11:17 AM (UKUm3)
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CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2024 11:11 AM
The early love affair with French deconstructionists and post-modernists at Columbia has been extraordinarily damaging to our academic system throughout the nation.
The early love affair with French deconstructionists and post-modernists at Columbia has been extraordinarily damaging to our academic system throughout the nation.
Posted by: KT at December 28, 2024 11:18 AM (xekrU)
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Good evening from London, Horde. This place is insanely wet and cold and sunset is in 3 minutes.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2024 10:55 AM (q2utD)
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A word of warning Brent: don't repost anything from your former podcast partner! They jail people for speech over there!
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2024 10:55 AM (q2utD)
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A word of warning Brent: don't repost anything from your former podcast partner! They jail people for speech over there!
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2024 11:18 AM (vPwps)
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12 All day with an elderly British lady as a tour guide. Fucking ponderous. Nonstop commentary that smacks of dementia and awkward long pauses that just….
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2024 11:13 AM (adJfB)
Long ago my mother in law and her older sister took a trip to England, and insisted everyone get together for a slide show of all the wonderful things they had seen. Started off well, but then devolved into pictures of an average shop counter which they would get stuck on for 10 minutes while they discussed what the shopkeepers name might have been.
When I consider what eternal torment might be, I think of sitting through that slideshow with no end.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2024 11:13 AM (adJfB)
Long ago my mother in law and her older sister took a trip to England, and insisted everyone get together for a slide show of all the wonderful things they had seen. Started off well, but then devolved into pictures of an average shop counter which they would get stuck on for 10 minutes while they discussed what the shopkeepers name might have been.
When I consider what eternal torment might be, I think of sitting through that slideshow with no end.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2024 11:19 AM (7MHHr)
Posted by: KT at December 28, 2024 11:19 AM (xekrU)
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I become increasingly convinced that a significant fraction of professors hate their jobs, hate themselves, are infuriated that society doesn't reward them as they think they should but know they can't cut it outside the academy.
I become increasingly convinced that a significant fraction of professors hate their jobs, hate themselves, are infuriated that society doesn't reward them as they think they should but know they can't cut it outside the academy.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 11:19 AM (dxSpM)
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Finger gun control.
NFL Hilariously Roasted by Fans After Beyoncé Breaks Finger Gun Rule During Christmas Halftime Show
NFL Hilariously Roasted by Fans After Beyoncé Breaks Finger Gun Rule During Christmas Halftime Show
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at December 28, 2024 11:21 AM (L/fGl)
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My husband asked the other day what Wassailing was in that Christmas song. I had been in the choir in Catholic school beginning in second grade theough high school, and our choir instructor was an old nun who loved the old carrols. She told us the history of each one, so I knew what it was.i am so old I remember we had to sing some of them in Latin.
Posted by: Megthered at December 28, 2024 11:21 AM (HZt/w)
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Any bets on how long these academic weirdos remain... caved, hutted or lodged until they've had enough time "demonstrating their disdain for Western culture and technology" and return their lives of luxury.
And lecture the rest of us about not living in caves, huts or lodges.
And lecture the rest of us about not living in caves, huts or lodges.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2024 11:21 AM (Q4IgG)
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Long ago my mother in law and her older sister took a trip to England, and insisted everyone get together for a slide show of all the wonderful things they had seen. Started off well, but then devolved into pictures of an average shop counter which they would get stuck on for 10 minutes while they discussed what the shopkeepers name might have been.
When I consider what eternal torment might be, I think of sitting through that slideshow with no end.
I've sat through enough pointless recapitulations of not-very-interesting trips that I never show my pictures unless someone asks, and even then, I keep it short.
When I consider what eternal torment might be, I think of sitting through that slideshow with no end.
I've sat through enough pointless recapitulations of not-very-interesting trips that I never show my pictures unless someone asks, and even then, I keep it short.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:21 AM (xCA6C)
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A word of warning Brent: don't repost anything from your former podcast partner! They jail people for speech over there!
Posted by: Huck Follywood
Tommy Robinson is currently in solitary confinement.
Posted by: Huck Follywood
Tommy Robinson is currently in solitary confinement.
Posted by: 30 Days In The Hole at December 28, 2024 11:21 AM (G5+As)
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I knew a boy once upon a time who misunderstood the prayer line "Jesus, oh lord, I thee adore", thinking it was "Jesus, oh lord, I need a dog", which he then routinely repeated nightly for months until his mother could correct him.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2024 11:22 AM (vPwps)
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I become increasingly convinced that a significant fraction of professors hate their jobs, hate themselves, are infuriated that society doesn't reward them as they think they should but know they can't cut it outside the academy.
You've lurched uncontrollably into the truth. They think they should be running society, because they're much smarter than everyone else.
Protip: they aren't.
You've lurched uncontrollably into the truth. They think they should be running society, because they're much smarter than everyone else.
Protip: they aren't.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:22 AM (xCA6C)
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I've sat through enough pointless recapitulations of not-very-interesting trips that I never show my pictures unless someone asks, and even then, I keep it short.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:21 AM (xCA6C)
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Dog people, me included, are just as tiresome.
I've sat through enough pointless recapitulations of not-very-interesting trips that I never show my pictures unless someone asks, and even then, I keep it short.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:21 AM (xCA6C)
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Dog people, me included, are just as tiresome.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 11:22 AM (dxSpM)
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When I consider what eternal torment might be, I think of sitting through that slideshow with no end.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2024 11:19 AM (7MHHr)
That is EXACTLY what this is like.
Literally just a moment ago “Oh yes note on the right as we drive by, Cleoptra’s Needle. An obelisk that dates back to 1500BC…and then over here we have the industrial section…”
I looked at the Far Too Good For Me, “Did she just gloss over a 3500yr old monument???”
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2024 11:19 AM (7MHHr)
That is EXACTLY what this is like.
Literally just a moment ago “Oh yes note on the right as we drive by, Cleoptra’s Needle. An obelisk that dates back to 1500BC…and then over here we have the industrial section…”
I looked at the Far Too Good For Me, “Did she just gloss over a 3500yr old monument???”
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2024 11:22 AM (cDvOu)
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I am getting the impression that there are people on this comment thread who haven't read Iowahawk's entire piece. Worth it, even though the left's narrative focuses on somewhat different issues now.
Posted by: KT at December 28, 2024 11:23 AM (xekrU)
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Dog people, me included, are just as tiresome.
Now, my grandkids, everyone is interested in 300 pictures of them, right?
Now, my grandkids, everyone is interested in 300 pictures of them, right?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:23 AM (xCA6C)
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"My dissertation at Columbia synthesized the seminal works of Jacques Lacan, Derrida, and Michel Foucault," says Grok, referring to the influential French deconstructionist philosophers. "I was able to prove, conclusively, that conclusiveness is not conclusive."
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My old man always said, "See the problem, fix the problem".
This sort of thinking is the problem.
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My old man always said, "See the problem, fix the problem".
This sort of thinking is the problem.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2024 11:24 AM (vPwps)
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You left out hate their students Hadrian. And to be fair with "Thursday is the new Friday" attitude of being too hung over to attend class and expecting the professor to simplify things because other wise "its too hard" I could kind of sympathize with the profs.
But they started that rot, or at minimum didn't bother to counter nonsense that the Frankfurt School commies spewed, so I don't have much sympathy.
But they started that rot, or at minimum didn't bother to counter nonsense that the Frankfurt School commies spewed, so I don't have much sympathy.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 28, 2024 11:25 AM (UKUm3)
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IMHO, the video that Braenyard linked in the last thread should be on the sidebar, and be required watching for anyone wishing to opine on H1B visas.
https://tinyurl.com/yr9k2vtv
https://tinyurl.com/yr9k2vtv
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:25 AM (xCA6C)
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There's some UCLA physics professor on TwitX who regularly whines about how underpaid and underappreciated he is. Wotta git.
There's some UCLA physics professor on TwitX who regularly whines about how underpaid and underappreciated he is. Wotta git.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 11:26 AM (dxSpM)
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There's some UCLA physics professor on TwitX who regularly whines about how underpaid and underappreciated he is. Wotta git.
I have a lot more tolerance for someone with real credentials than I do for the idiots from the humanities and "studies" departments, whose sole purpose is to say something outrageous in order to get attention.
I have a lot more tolerance for someone with real credentials than I do for the idiots from the humanities and "studies" departments, whose sole purpose is to say something outrageous in order to get attention.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:27 AM (xCA6C)
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Hadrian is it possible they just get bored out of their minds?
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2024 11:27 AM (fwDg9)
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How to fix schools: Get rid of social science and bring back focus on math and science. We sat in school just as long in the 60s, but didn't waste our time on pronouns and "equity". Knock it off with dumbing down the curriculum so the lazy can get As, too.
A large part of this is removing (maybe I'll get hit for this) women from administration. They carry on too much about some idiotic perception of "everyone must win", that straight men do not feel.
A large part of this is removing (maybe I'll get hit for this) women from administration. They carry on too much about some idiotic perception of "everyone must win", that straight men do not feel.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 11:27 AM (2NXcZ)
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 28, 2024 11:28 AM (dg+HA)
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"Someone dinted my car door yesterday in the Food Lion parking lot."
Look for a fellow by the name of Dinty Moore.
Look for a fellow by the name of Dinty Moore.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 28, 2024 11:29 AM (ZmEVT)
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The 1988 dissertation, entitled "Beyond the (Dis)Integration of Post-Modern Post-Toasties Pair 'o Dimes and Paradigms: Look at How Clever I Am," created a stir in academic circles and landed Lowenstein a prestigious teaching position at Harvard. From there, he honed his cutting-edge research.
"I began to deconstruct everything I could get my hands on," says Grok. "The Old Testament, Shakespeare, Dick and Jane, a 1967 J.C. Whitney catalog, the Boston phone book, you name it. I showed how everything is a lie, that everything could be deconstructed. Well, except Deconstruction, obviously."
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Old Iowahawk _pre-Trump period, is the best Iowahawk
"I began to deconstruct everything I could get my hands on," says Grok. "The Old Testament, Shakespeare, Dick and Jane, a 1967 J.C. Whitney catalog, the Boston phone book, you name it. I showed how everything is a lie, that everything could be deconstructed. Well, except Deconstruction, obviously."
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Old Iowahawk _pre-Trump period, is the best Iowahawk
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2024 11:29 AM (vPwps)
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I’m fine with A’s many professors as possible drop out of decent and civilized society. Unfortunately they won’t stay dropped for long.
I’m also coming around to Mao’s ideas of ending the educat… credentialed class.
I’m also coming around to Mao’s ideas of ending the educat… credentialed class.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at December 28, 2024 11:30 AM (17s+e)
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He is positive that he is way more talented that an Elon Musk etc. Hadrian. I hate those types, they never admit that they took the safe path instead of risking being broke if the venture failed and that is why they aren't super rich.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 28, 2024 11:30 AM (UKUm3)
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There is a U of Washington professor of mathematics and aeronautical engineering who teaches on-line maths. He starts with basic arithmetic and goes to advanced calculus.
For free.
For free.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 28, 2024 11:30 AM (W/lyH)
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once upon a time who misunderstood the prayer line
Heard about a kid who thought his folks were taking him to Chuck E. Jesus.
Heard about a kid who thought his folks were taking him to Chuck E. Jesus.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at December 28, 2024 11:30 AM (kUMx7)
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You left out hate their students
__________
I no longer go to concerts or the opera after reading the comments on classical music blogs. Musicians appear to hate their jobs, hate their audiences and are bitter that they're not paid like stars.
You left out hate their students
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I no longer go to concerts or the opera after reading the comments on classical music blogs. Musicians appear to hate their jobs, hate their audiences and are bitter that they're not paid like stars.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 11:31 AM (dxSpM)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2024 11:32 AM (hY4dx)
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"There is something very liberating, very empowering about abandoning phallocentric culture," says Eegah, who was until recently known as Katherine Robinson. "Cave dwelling authenticates our visceral experience, releasing us from the bond of western patriarchal oppression."
As an example, Eegah notes that she is no longer dependent on money. "I have adopted the traditional barter system of non-western, matriarchal societies. I get all the furs and meat I need by having sex with hobos."
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and then hunting them, for food.
As an example, Eegah notes that she is no longer dependent on money. "I have adopted the traditional barter system of non-western, matriarchal societies. I get all the furs and meat I need by having sex with hobos."
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and then hunting them, for food.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2024 11:32 AM (vPwps)
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Fun post, KT. Thanks.
Posted by: scampydog at December 28, 2024 11:33 AM (41CYW)
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Look for a fellow by the name of Dinty Moore.
Posted by: no one of any consequence
You may be right. I noticed a VERY Large thumbprint in dint area.
Look for a fellow by the name of Dinty Moore.
Posted by: no one of any consequence
You may be right. I noticed a VERY Large thumbprint in dint area.
Posted by: 30 Days In The Hole at December 28, 2024 11:33 AM (G5+As)
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I’m also coming around to Mao’s ideas of ending the educat… credentialed class.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at December 28, 2024 11:30 AM (17s+e)
The academic credentialed class has long been jealous of private sector salaries after all, "we're smarter than they are. look at our CVs" So just as politicians sell our treasury, academics sell what they have been entrusted with. They have contributed mightily to our current lawlessness.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at December 28, 2024 11:30 AM (17s+e)
The academic credentialed class has long been jealous of private sector salaries after all, "we're smarter than they are. look at our CVs" So just as politicians sell our treasury, academics sell what they have been entrusted with. They have contributed mightily to our current lawlessness.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 11:33 AM (2NXcZ)
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19 Hmmm, I thought grok came from Mork and Mindy and meant to really understand something. So I've been incorrectly saying I don't grok something for years now.
Oh well.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 28, 2024 11:17 AM (UKUm3)
You, ummm, grokked grok rightly.
Oh well.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 28, 2024 11:17 AM (UKUm3)
You, ummm, grokked grok rightly.
Posted by: blaster at December 28, 2024 11:34 AM (QfvaV)
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Got willowed:
300 I regularly attend an FSSP apostolate which is on the northwest side of Houston. I live about 20 miles south of the city. There's a diocesan parish (sorry, Catholic community) nearby.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 10:35 AM (dxSpM)
I know, I drove 17 or 20 miles to their Dallas sites for nearly 30 years before we moved.
I hear you re: the NO which is what I have now. With the same disclaimers.
Posted by: sal at December 28, 2024 11:28 AM (f+FmA)
300 I regularly attend an FSSP apostolate which is on the northwest side of Houston. I live about 20 miles south of the city. There's a diocesan parish (sorry, Catholic community) nearby.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 10:35 AM (dxSpM)
I know, I drove 17 or 20 miles to their Dallas sites for nearly 30 years before we moved.
I hear you re: the NO which is what I have now. With the same disclaimers.
Posted by: sal at December 28, 2024 11:28 AM (f+FmA)
Posted by: sal at December 28, 2024 11:35 AM (f+FmA)
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I no longer go to concerts or the opera after reading the comments on classical music blogs. Musicians appear to hate their jobs, hate their audiences and are bitter that they're not paid like stars.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 11:31 AM (dxSpM)
Sounds like scientists and academics, except they have no institutions to sell out.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 11:31 AM (dxSpM)
Sounds like scientists and academics, except they have no institutions to sell out.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 11:35 AM (2NXcZ)
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I would just like say that it is real pleasure when people I pass going into various stores greet me and others with "Merry Christmas " and Happy New Year" and a smile. A simple thing like that can brighten a day!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2024 11:35 AM (JqvmG)
Posted by: Common Tater at December 28, 2024 11:36 AM (zTpLb)
Posted by: Oddbob at December 28, 2024 11:36 AM (86uPL)
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I hate those types, they never admit that they took the safe path instead of risking being broke if the venture failed and that is why they aren't super rich.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 28, 2024 11:30 AM (UKUm3)
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Did the rich commit some crime to become wealthy? Usually, no. But mostly they have traits that the less successful don't have. Those traits aren't necessarily evil, just different.
I hate those types, they never admit that they took the safe path instead of risking being broke if the venture failed and that is why they aren't super rich.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 28, 2024 11:30 AM (UKUm3)
_________
Did the rich commit some crime to become wealthy? Usually, no. But mostly they have traits that the less successful don't have. Those traits aren't necessarily evil, just different.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 11:36 AM (dxSpM)
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Well that is a shame if you enjoyed concerts and opera Hadrian. Its probably just a vocal whiny minority that bitch and moan on the blogs. People that are content in their work don't seek out a venue to carp about it and if they stumbeld on a music blog full of bitching they probably don't have the emotional energy to counter.
And perhaps even the non whiners also resent folks that interact with their smart phones instead of focusing on the concert.
And perhaps even the non whiners also resent folks that interact with their smart phones instead of focusing on the concert.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 28, 2024 11:37 AM (UKUm3)
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Here's a challenge we tried once:
Think of all the English language surnames derived from a skill, trade or occupation.
Some are super easy: Baker, Smith, Shepherd, but there are a lot of others more obscure.
Think of all the English language surnames derived from a skill, trade or occupation.
Some are super easy: Baker, Smith, Shepherd, but there are a lot of others more obscure.
Posted by: sal at December 28, 2024 11:37 AM (f+FmA)
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Is Cloward-Piven Strategy deconstructionist, or post-modern (or neither, maybe just destructive)? They were at Columbia, and probably an influence on destructive Obama.
Cloward-Piven is basically to overload our "benevolent/socialist" system till it breaks. I assume they then planned/dreamed to build back better ... with communism.
Cloward-Piven is basically to overload our "benevolent/socialist" system till it breaks. I assume they then planned/dreamed to build back better ... with communism.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 28, 2024 11:37 AM (Cus5s)
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Ok read the link and not knowing anything of academics they are bored out of their skin.
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2024 11:39 AM (fwDg9)
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I thought everyone of a certain age ("29") knew the origin of grok. Wasn't Stranger in a Strange Land culturally mandatory in college?
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 28, 2024 11:39 AM (w6EFb)
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If your wrapping yourself in dog skins you need a real job , earn money to live off of.
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2024 11:40 AM (fwDg9)
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58 I no longer go to concerts or the opera after reading the comments on classical music blogs. Musicians appear to hate their jobs, hate their audiences and are bitter that they're not paid like stars.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
I buy the cheapest seat, then cough, clear my throat, or sneeze during quiet passages.
Really though, my wife and I quit going when they had a yoot "breakdancing" to "Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies" and got a standing ovation from the 99% white audience. I could have done better.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
I buy the cheapest seat, then cough, clear my throat, or sneeze during quiet passages.
Really though, my wife and I quit going when they had a yoot "breakdancing" to "Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies" and got a standing ovation from the 99% white audience. I could have done better.
Posted by: Stick In The Spokes at December 28, 2024 11:40 AM (G5+As)
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A large part of this is removing (maybe I'll get hit for this) women from administration. They carry on too much about some idiotic perception of "everyone must win", that straight men do not feel.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
As a woman.... I agree completely! When I was in school the district superintendent was the big dog and made the decisions. That guy was a hard ass who didn't play. He set the tone. Which allowed others to do what must be done.
However, the elementary school principal was a woman. Believe it or not every kid was scared to death of being sent to her office. If she deemed it necessary to spank some kid, she hauled out that big old wooden paddle and got the job done effectively.. Few needed a refresher on that. Short, sturdy, grandma looking lady who only wore skirts or dresses. Outside of school she was known to be a real sweetheart. Inside the school, she was a prison matron from hell.
High school principal was a man. Seemed kinda wishy washy most of the time. Kept an air of authority and detached kindness. But when it came down to the line... He could put the fear of hell into even the most hardened hooligans.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
As a woman.... I agree completely! When I was in school the district superintendent was the big dog and made the decisions. That guy was a hard ass who didn't play. He set the tone. Which allowed others to do what must be done.
However, the elementary school principal was a woman. Believe it or not every kid was scared to death of being sent to her office. If she deemed it necessary to spank some kid, she hauled out that big old wooden paddle and got the job done effectively.. Few needed a refresher on that. Short, sturdy, grandma looking lady who only wore skirts or dresses. Outside of school she was known to be a real sweetheart. Inside the school, she was a prison matron from hell.
High school principal was a man. Seemed kinda wishy washy most of the time. Kept an air of authority and detached kindness. But when it came down to the line... He could put the fear of hell into even the most hardened hooligans.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 11:40 AM (4XwPj)
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Old Iowahawk _pre-Trump period, is the best Iowahawk
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2024 11:29 AM (vPwps)
My personal favorite was the Texas sports team that conquered France. Quite old, though and may not be available.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2024 11:29 AM (vPwps)
My personal favorite was the Texas sports team that conquered France. Quite old, though and may not be available.
Posted by: sal at December 28, 2024 11:41 AM (f+FmA)
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Here's a challenge we tried once:
Think of all the English language surnames derived from a skill, trade or occupation.
Some are super easy: Baker, Smith, Shepherd, but there are a lot of others more obscure.
Cooper
Fletcher
Wright
Think of all the English language surnames derived from a skill, trade or occupation.
Some are super easy: Baker, Smith, Shepherd, but there are a lot of others more obscure.
Cooper
Fletcher
Wright
Posted by: Oddbob at December 28, 2024 11:41 AM (86uPL)
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Some are super easy: Baker, Smith, Shepherd, but there are a lot of others more obscure.
Posted by: sal
True Dat!
Posted by: sal
True Dat!
Posted by: Ben Cartwright on the Ponderosa at December 28, 2024 11:42 AM (G5+As)
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Did the rich commit some crime to become wealthy? Usually, no. But mostly they have traits that the less successful don't have. Those traits aren't necessarily evil, just different.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 11:36 AM (dxSpM)
Some of them, however, have no trouble with making money with evil. Look at the people who made money helping China control their people with biometrics and a social credit (do you kiss the powerful asses enough) system. These rich were largely Americans. They out sourced their manufacturing and helped the Chinese dictators enforce strict rules. Now they say "we're no longer doing that", uh huh. Too late. And plenty of their ilk will bring it here.
Beggar thy neighbor has come home to roost
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 11:36 AM (dxSpM)
Some of them, however, have no trouble with making money with evil. Look at the people who made money helping China control their people with biometrics and a social credit (do you kiss the powerful asses enough) system. These rich were largely Americans. They out sourced their manufacturing and helped the Chinese dictators enforce strict rules. Now they say "we're no longer doing that", uh huh. Too late. And plenty of their ilk will bring it here.
Beggar thy neighbor has come home to roost
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 11:42 AM (2NXcZ)
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Kept an air of authority and detached kindness. But when it came down to the line... He could put the fear of hell into even the most hardened hooligans.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 11:40 AM (4XwPj)
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"The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me."
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 11:40 AM (4XwPj)
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"The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me."
Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 28, 2024 11:43 AM (hY4dx)
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Foucault was a rabid pedo
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at December 28, 2024 11:44 AM (sJHOI)
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And thanks for the essay. Nicely done . I e always liked the Carol "Good King Wenceslas " because it is a beautiful old Carol, but also because Wenceslas sounds like a generous kind man. And I think he was canonized in the RCC.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2024 11:44 AM (6qDd0)
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He could put the fear of hell into even the most hardened hooligans.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 11:40 AM (4XwPj)
Now we must "understand" the hooligans and reward them somehow. Poor babies.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 11:40 AM (4XwPj)
Now we must "understand" the hooligans and reward them somehow. Poor babies.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 11:44 AM (2NXcZ)
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>>Is Cloward-Piven Strategy deconstructionist, or post-modern (or neither, maybe just destructive)? They were at Columbia, and probably an influence on destructive Obama.
Huge influence. Along with Alinsky.
Huge influence. Along with Alinsky.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 11:44 AM (LkLld)
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My favorite use of words is this.
Ladle Rat Rotten Hut.
It begins,
Wants pawn term, dare worsted ladle gull hoe lift wetter murder inner ladle cordage, honor itch offer lodge dock florist.
The story goes all way through to its end, and learning to speak it so it flows like English is akin to learning to speak another language correctly for accentuation and flow.
Hoe-cake?
Ladle Rat Rotten Hut.
It begins,
Wants pawn term, dare worsted ladle gull hoe lift wetter murder inner ladle cordage, honor itch offer lodge dock florist.
The story goes all way through to its end, and learning to speak it so it flows like English is akin to learning to speak another language correctly for accentuation and flow.
Hoe-cake?
Posted by: Mr Gaga at December 28, 2024 11:46 AM (KiBMU)
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Why not link the Grok article?
Posted by: Born Free at December 28, 2024 11:46 AM (raD1m)
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Is Cloward-Piven Strategy deconstructionist, or post-modern (or neither, maybe just destructive)? They were at Columbia, and probably an influence on destructive Obama.
Obama is a resentful, bitter, empty vessel. It wouldn't be hard to load him up with nonsense that played to those attributes.
Obama is a resentful, bitter, empty vessel. It wouldn't be hard to load him up with nonsense that played to those attributes.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:47 AM (xCA6C)
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Huge influence. Along with Alinsky.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 11:44 AM (LkLld)
Frances Fox Piven even said that Obama (and now Mayorkas, his demon) was implementing a C-P strategy.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 11:44 AM (LkLld)
Frances Fox Piven even said that Obama (and now Mayorkas, his demon) was implementing a C-P strategy.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 11:48 AM (2NXcZ)
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Cooper
Fletcher
Wright
Posted by: Oddbob at December 28, 2024 11:41 AM (86uPL)
Hunter
Fisher
Farmer
Fletcher
Wright
Posted by: Oddbob at December 28, 2024 11:41 AM (86uPL)
Hunter
Fisher
Farmer
Posted by: BignJames at December 28, 2024 11:48 AM (Yj6Os)
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84 Cooper
Fletcher
Wright
Posted by: Oddbob at December 28, 2024 11:41 AM (86uPL)
Hunter
Fisher
Farmer
Posted by: BignJames at December 28, 2024 11:48 AM (Yj6Os)
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Archer
Clark
Smith
Fletcher
Wright
Posted by: Oddbob at December 28, 2024 11:41 AM (86uPL)
Hunter
Fisher
Farmer
Posted by: BignJames at December 28, 2024 11:48 AM (Yj6Os)
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Archer
Clark
Smith
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2024 11:49 AM (hY4dx)
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Obama's parents were communists and so is he. Mayorkas can pretend mommy was fleeing communism, but in all likelihood she was more of a missionary for the cult of Marx. Where else would sonny boy get the idea that America's core founding principle was "equity" on a global scale.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 11:50 AM (2NXcZ)
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>>Frances Fox Piven even said that Obama (and now Mayorkas, his demon) was implementing a C-P strategy.
In addition to no doubt running in the same circles at Columbia they were both members of socialist New Party. Piven's teachings played a big role there as well.
The frustrating thing about it is this was all known before Obama was POTUS but if you mentioned it you were a crazy conspiracy theorist and likely a racist.
In addition to no doubt running in the same circles at Columbia they were both members of socialist New Party. Piven's teachings played a big role there as well.
The frustrating thing about it is this was all known before Obama was POTUS but if you mentioned it you were a crazy conspiracy theorist and likely a racist.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 11:51 AM (LkLld)
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The frustrating thing about it is this was all known before Obama was POTUS but if you mentioned it you were a crazy conspiracy theorist and likely a racist.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 11:51 AM (LkLld)
Defintely a racist. After all we were built on racism when we weren't built on "equity".
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 11:51 AM (LkLld)
Defintely a racist. After all we were built on racism when we weren't built on "equity".
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 11:52 AM (2NXcZ)
Posted by: Oddbob at December 28, 2024 11:54 AM (86uPL)
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Obama is a resentful, bitter, empty vessel. It wouldn't be hard to load him up with nonsense that played to those attributes.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:47 AM (xCA6C)
His mom was a CPUSA catch rag and his dad was unrepentant commie pedo. So, naturally, he hates his country
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:47 AM (xCA6C)
His mom was a CPUSA catch rag and his dad was unrepentant commie pedo. So, naturally, he hates his country
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at December 28, 2024 11:54 AM (sJHOI)
Posted by: sal at December 28, 2024 11:56 AM (f+FmA)
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Grok is deep, intimate, thorough understanding.
Memorizing or merely repeating something, or taking the middle ground is the opposite of grok.
Memorizing or merely repeating something, or taking the middle ground is the opposite of grok.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 28, 2024 11:56 AM (/lPRQ)
Posted by: Spanky McFarland at December 28, 2024 11:56 AM (G5+As)
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Read Stranger in a Strange Land in the '60s. I still grok Grok.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 28, 2024 11:56 AM (DqcjG)
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Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 28, 2024 11:56 AM (/lPRQ)
I had no idea it was so profound.
I had no idea it was so profound.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 11:56 AM (2NXcZ)
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Think of all the English language surnames derived from a skill, trade or occupation.
Some are super easy: Baker, Smith, Shepherd, but there are a lot of others more obscure.
Hooker
Hornblower
Sawyer (sorry, had to throw in a real one)
Some are super easy: Baker, Smith, Shepherd, but there are a lot of others more obscure.
Hooker
Hornblower
Sawyer (sorry, had to throw in a real one)
Posted by: t-bird at December 28, 2024 11:57 AM (QrkKu)
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Critical Drinker thinks highly of the new version of Nosferatu. I'm actually thinking of watching it, despite my distaste for horror movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFfc2x_DGBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFfc2x_DGBg
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:57 AM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Spy at December 28, 2024 11:57 AM (dg+HA)
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I'm the son of a sea cook!
Posted by: Mortimer Brewster at December 28, 2024 11:57 AM (G5+As)
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OK, you got me. What is a clark? An old English spelling of "clerk?"
Posted by: Oddbob at December 28, 2024 11:54 AM (86uPL)
________
As office boy I made such a mark
That they gave me the post of a junior clark.
I served the writs with a smile so bland,
And I copied all the letters in a big round hand.
I copied all the letters in a hand so free,
That now I am the Ruler of the Queen's Navee!
OK, you got me. What is a clark? An old English spelling of "clerk?"
Posted by: Oddbob at December 28, 2024 11:54 AM (86uPL)
________
As office boy I made such a mark
That they gave me the post of a junior clark.
I served the writs with a smile so bland,
And I copied all the letters in a big round hand.
I copied all the letters in a hand so free,
That now I am the Ruler of the Queen's Navee!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 11:58 AM (dxSpM)
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I didn't know victuals is actually pronounced "vittles."
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 28, 2024 11:59 AM (w6EFb)
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One of the saddest things here amongst the Commentariat is the widespread and nigh pervasive failure to grok CBD's disdain of maple syrup on French Toast.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 28, 2024 11:59 AM (a3Q+t)
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***the move to a cave was a natural step in his intellectual progression.
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There's something wrong with that statement.
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There's something wrong with that statement.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 11:59 AM (YObWY)
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Porter
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at December 28, 2024 11:59 AM (17s+e)
Posted by: sal at December 28, 2024 11:59 AM (f+FmA)
Posted by: Granny Clampett at December 28, 2024 12:00 PM (EXyHK)
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I wasn't smitten with the new Nosferatu, although it's decent. Good mood setting & atmosphere - so-so story. Johnny Depp's daughter is not very pretty, but she does a very good job with her role.
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at December 28, 2024 12:01 PM (sJHOI)
Posted by: Jerry Van Dyke at December 28, 2024 12:01 PM (G5+As)
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I remember reading a Charlie Brown cartoon, when Linus is asked what he wants to be when he grows up. He replies, "A fanatic."
When a read it out loud to Daddy to ask him what it meant (I was 6 or 7) I pronounced it "FAN-a-tic" and he laughed.
When a read it out loud to Daddy to ask him what it meant (I was 6 or 7) I pronounced it "FAN-a-tic" and he laughed.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 28, 2024 12:01 PM (w6EFb)
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Damn sinkhole on 80 screwing up the traffic.
Trying to get to Costco for a replacement car battery.
Ughh, who knew covering over a 1700 mine would lead to troubles 325 years later.
Trying to get to Costco for a replacement car battery.
Ughh, who knew covering over a 1700 mine would lead to troubles 325 years later.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2024 12:01 PM (XV/Pl)
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103 ***the move to a cave was a natural step in his intellectual progression.
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There's something wrong with that statement.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 11:59 AM (YObWY)
The old Reginald Perrin series did "chuck it all" best.
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There's something wrong with that statement.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 11:59 AM (YObWY)
The old Reginald Perrin series did "chuck it all" best.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 12:01 PM (2NXcZ)
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"Meyer" doesn't sound like an occupation, but its meaning does. 23 and me has other surnames described.
discover.23andme.com/last-name/Meyer
The meaning of Meyer
1. German and Swiss German: from Middle High German meier, a status name for a steward, bailiff, or overseer, which later came to be used also to denote a tenant farmer, which is normally the sense in the many compound surnames formed with this term as a second element. Originally it denoted a village headman (ultimately from Latin maior ‘greater, superior’
. This form of the surname is also established in France (mainly Alsace and Lorraine); see also 3 below. Compare Maier, Mayer, Meier, and Myer.
discover.23andme.com/last-name/Meyer
The meaning of Meyer
1. German and Swiss German: from Middle High German meier, a status name for a steward, bailiff, or overseer, which later came to be used also to denote a tenant farmer, which is normally the sense in the many compound surnames formed with this term as a second element. Originally it denoted a village headman (ultimately from Latin maior ‘greater, superior’
. This form of the surname is also established in France (mainly Alsace and Lorraine); see also 3 below. Compare Maier, Mayer, Meier, and Myer.Posted by: illiniwek at December 28, 2024 12:03 PM (Cus5s)
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It can be lunch time
Oh wait, anytime can be lunch time because I am home
Oh wait, anytime can be lunch time because I am home
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2024 12:03 PM (fwDg9)
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Now we must "understand" the hooligans and reward them somehow. Poor babies.
Posted by: long night ending,
The biggest hooligan in my graduating class was a guy whose home life was a mess. Principal was dealing with this kids dumbassery every week.
I got sent to the office for not doing the homework I didn't have in study hall. I was just quietly reading a book. Asshole was babysitting the study hall insisted I should be doing homework. I didn't have any to do. He sent me to the principal. I told Mr. M why I was there. He said find something to study. I said I really didn't have anything to study. He sent me back saying just don't bother anyone. I went back, continued to read my book and asshole sent me back to the office. Mr. M said why are you back? I told you not to bother anyone. I said "he's a jerk. I was just quietly reading my book and he sent me back". Mr. M pinched the bridge of his nose and said, fine, just sit over there and read your book.
Hooligan came in for some infraction. Sat down next to me and said what are you in for. I told him it was criminal boredom. He laughed and said yeh, Mr. M is pretty cool. Too bad that guy never got his shit squared away.
Posted by: long night ending,
The biggest hooligan in my graduating class was a guy whose home life was a mess. Principal was dealing with this kids dumbassery every week.
I got sent to the office for not doing the homework I didn't have in study hall. I was just quietly reading a book. Asshole was babysitting the study hall insisted I should be doing homework. I didn't have any to do. He sent me to the principal. I told Mr. M why I was there. He said find something to study. I said I really didn't have anything to study. He sent me back saying just don't bother anyone. I went back, continued to read my book and asshole sent me back to the office. Mr. M said why are you back? I told you not to bother anyone. I said "he's a jerk. I was just quietly reading my book and he sent me back". Mr. M pinched the bridge of his nose and said, fine, just sit over there and read your book.
Hooligan came in for some infraction. Sat down next to me and said what are you in for. I told him it was criminal boredom. He laughed and said yeh, Mr. M is pretty cool. Too bad that guy never got his shit squared away.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 12:04 PM (4XwPj)
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Trying to get to Costco for a replacement car battery.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2024 12:01 PM (XV/Pl)
Sil replaced hers a couple weeks ago $330.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2024 12:01 PM (XV/Pl)
Sil replaced hers a couple weeks ago $330.
Posted by: BignJames at December 28, 2024 12:04 PM (Yj6Os)
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I do a jigsaw puzzle every day on Jigsaw Planet, as a brain game.
Noticing a big uptick in AI generated images. It's good that I can recognize them, right?
I credit Anna Puma.
Noticing a big uptick in AI generated images. It's good that I can recognize them, right?
I credit Anna Puma.
Posted by: sal at December 28, 2024 12:04 PM (f+FmA)
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I found Stranger in A Strange Land to be a slog, and it violated my 400 page rule.
If you're going to write something over 400 pages, it better damn well be good.
If you're going to write something over 400 pages, it better damn well be good.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2024 12:05 PM (XV/Pl)
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Well, I'm not surprised, Grok, I'm not surprised at all. You see, off Lake Erie we've got a pack of wierdies up there that bay at the moon once a week. And then around what used to be Chicago, man, we've got a real swinging cult goin' there. They've built themselves a statue made out of fissionable lead. This is their "diety". What do we have here? We have an idiot "prefesser" in a cave. If you give us any trouble, Grok, any trouble at all, I'm gonna hang you. From that balcony right over there.
Posted by: Major French at December 28, 2024 12:06 PM (R/m4+)
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@115
>>Sil replaced hers a couple weeks ago $330.
Yep, I got 6 years to the date on this battery, the problem is new batteries cost a small fortune and Costco has a good deal on batteries.
The AGM H6 battery I need cost about 180 with membership and is around 250 everywhere else.
>>Sil replaced hers a couple weeks ago $330.
Yep, I got 6 years to the date on this battery, the problem is new batteries cost a small fortune and Costco has a good deal on batteries.
The AGM H6 battery I need cost about 180 with membership and is around 250 everywhere else.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2024 12:08 PM (XV/Pl)
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It seems some were confused in the coffee thread about the Fifth Circus [sic] clown show regarding its bi-polar rulings pertaining to CTA taking effect next week. If you’re one who is confused, here are the Cliff’s Notes:
There have been a number of lawsuits in jurisdictions across the country filed against the federal government challenging the constitutionality of the Corporate Transparency Act.
The act mandates, effective January 1, 2025, that the beneficial owners of small businesses (and members of other applicable organizations) submit personal details including names, addresses and photo ID, to the government via the Department of Treasury’s Financial Crimes Reporting Network.
/con't
There have been a number of lawsuits in jurisdictions across the country filed against the federal government challenging the constitutionality of the Corporate Transparency Act.
The act mandates, effective January 1, 2025, that the beneficial owners of small businesses (and members of other applicable organizations) submit personal details including names, addresses and photo ID, to the government via the Department of Treasury’s Financial Crimes Reporting Network.
/con't
Posted by: one hour sober at December 28, 2024 12:08 PM (Y1sOo)
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In litigation in federal district court in east Texas, plaintiffs filed a motion requesting the judge issue a preliminary injunction that would prohibit the provisions of the CTA from taking effect while the case was being litigated. On December 3, the judge granted plaintiffs’ motion stating the order applied nationwide.
The government appealed the ruling to the Fifth Circuit. On December 23, a 3-justice panel of the Fifth Circuit ruled in favor of the government and issued a stay of the lower court judge’s preliminary injunction. That, of course, meant that the provisions of the CTA were back to taking effect on January 1, 2025.
Plaintiffs appealed the 3-penel decision requesting a review before the full (en banc) Fifth Circuit court of justices. The full court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs, lifting the stay of injunction issued by its own 3-justice panel just a few days earlier.
So here we are..
/end
The government appealed the ruling to the Fifth Circuit. On December 23, a 3-justice panel of the Fifth Circuit ruled in favor of the government and issued a stay of the lower court judge’s preliminary injunction. That, of course, meant that the provisions of the CTA were back to taking effect on January 1, 2025.
Plaintiffs appealed the 3-penel decision requesting a review before the full (en banc) Fifth Circuit court of justices. The full court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs, lifting the stay of injunction issued by its own 3-justice panel just a few days earlier.
So here we are..
/end
Posted by: one hour sober at December 28, 2024 12:08 PM (Y1sOo)
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116 I do a jigsaw puzzle every day on Jigsaw Planet, as a brain game.
Noticing a big uptick in AI generated images. It's good that I can recognize them, right?
I credit Anna Puma.
Posted by: sal at December 28, 2024 12:04 PM (f+FmA)
I favor Charles Wysocki and puzzles based on actual artworks, mosaics, or photos. I can live without AI As I've been doing it for quite a while now. I see no reason to support it with tax dollars. AI is a manipulation, why help it manipulate better?
Noticing a big uptick in AI generated images. It's good that I can recognize them, right?
I credit Anna Puma.
Posted by: sal at December 28, 2024 12:04 PM (f+FmA)
I favor Charles Wysocki and puzzles based on actual artworks, mosaics, or photos. I can live without AI As I've been doing it for quite a while now. I see no reason to support it with tax dollars. AI is a manipulation, why help it manipulate better?
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 12:08 PM (2NXcZ)
123
Unless you are willing to learn the basics, this is what you get.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at December 28, 2024 12:09 PM (QSrLX)
124
A friend has a Scottish surname, and he once spoke to a gentleman from Scotland. The man asked where friend's ancestor came from. Friend answered, Glasgow.
The gentleman laughed and said, "Och! Glasgow! Bandits! Hooligans!"
The gentleman laughed and said, "Och! Glasgow! Bandits! Hooligans!"
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Cotton-headed ninny-muggins at December 28, 2024 12:10 PM (Ad8y9)
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This form of the surname is also established in France (mainly Alsace and Lorraine); see also 3 below. Compare Maier, Mayer, Meier, and Myer.
Also, Moyer, all over the place here in PA. It's an English spelling of various German dialects' pronunciation of Meyer.
Also, Moyer, all over the place here in PA. It's an English spelling of various German dialects' pronunciation of Meyer.
Posted by: t-bird at December 28, 2024 12:12 PM (JzFC4)
126
He laughed and said yeh, Mr. M is pretty cool. Too bad that guy never got his shit squared away.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 12:04 PM (4XwPj)
The biggest hooligan in my class was a girl. She came from a moneyed, intact home. She disrupted every class and spent every class, except gym, in the library. If she was not on the after school detention list it was because she was absent that day. It went on for two years. I don't know why she was that way or what was done to correct the matter, but corrected it was. She was never what anyone would call nice, but she cleaned up her act and became a phys ed teacher.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 12:04 PM (4XwPj)
The biggest hooligan in my class was a girl. She came from a moneyed, intact home. She disrupted every class and spent every class, except gym, in the library. If she was not on the after school detention list it was because she was absent that day. It went on for two years. I don't know why she was that way or what was done to correct the matter, but corrected it was. She was never what anyone would call nice, but she cleaned up her act and became a phys ed teacher.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 12:14 PM (2NXcZ)
127
Damn sinkhole on 80 screwing up the traffic.
You want screwed up traffic? Wait until we tackle the repair!
You want screwed up traffic? Wait until we tackle the repair!
Posted by: PennDOT at December 28, 2024 12:15 PM (Ez0wT)
128
You want screwed up traffic? Wait until we tackle the repair!
Posted by: PennDOT at December 28, 2024 12:15 PM (Ez0wT)
__________
Her Majesty spent 21 hours stuck on I-80 near Hazelton when it snowed and PennDOT didn't, couldn't or wouldn't plow the road.
You want screwed up traffic? Wait until we tackle the repair!
Posted by: PennDOT at December 28, 2024 12:15 PM (Ez0wT)
__________
Her Majesty spent 21 hours stuck on I-80 near Hazelton when it snowed and PennDOT didn't, couldn't or wouldn't plow the road.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 12:18 PM (dxSpM)
129
Damn sinkhole on 80 screwing up the traffic.
You want screwed up traffic? Wait until we tackle the repair!
Posted by: PennDOT at December 28, 2024 12:15 PM (Ez0wT)
You get potholes filled with snowpack, too?
You want screwed up traffic? Wait until we tackle the repair!
Posted by: PennDOT at December 28, 2024 12:15 PM (Ez0wT)
You get potholes filled with snowpack, too?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 28, 2024 12:18 PM (VNX3d)
130
>>>The AGM H6 battery I need cost about 180 with membership and is around 250 everywhere else.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Mine is 244 @ Auto Zone. Same CCA as yours.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Mine is 244 @ Auto Zone. Same CCA as yours.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 12:18 PM (YObWY)
131
Guitarist Ritchie Blackmore.
The surname is said to originate from Europe and means from the dark moor. Originally spelled Blackimoor or Blackmoor. There is a legend that the crest for that name includes the heads of three black men or Moors. Not sure if that is true or not. Never looked in to it.
The surname is said to originate from Europe and means from the dark moor. Originally spelled Blackimoor or Blackmoor. There is a legend that the crest for that name includes the heads of three black men or Moors. Not sure if that is true or not. Never looked in to it.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 12:19 PM (4XwPj)
132
131 Guitarist Ritchie Blackmore.
The surname is said to originate from Europe and means from the dark moor. Originally spelled Blackimoor or Blackmoor. There is a legend that the crest for that name includes the heads of three black men or Moors. Not sure if that is true or not. Never looked in to it.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem
Blackmoops is the correct spelling.
The surname is said to originate from Europe and means from the dark moor. Originally spelled Blackimoor or Blackmoor. There is a legend that the crest for that name includes the heads of three black men or Moors. Not sure if that is true or not. Never looked in to it.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem
Blackmoops is the correct spelling.
Posted by: George C. at December 28, 2024 12:21 PM (G5+As)
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She was never what anyone would call nice, but she cleaned up her act and became a phys ed teacher.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
Our class hooligan spent time in prison for arson. He burned down the bowling alley because the owner offended him.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
Our class hooligan spent time in prison for arson. He burned down the bowling alley because the owner offended him.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 12:21 PM (4XwPj)
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OK, you got me. What is a clark? An old English spelling of "clerk?"
Posted by: Oddbob at December 28, 2024 11:54 AM (86uPL)
And both words are derived from “cleric”, from the time when Clerics at the monasteries and churches were the only members of society that had decent reading and writing skills. (A cleric being a member of the order who had no higher title)
Posted by: Oddbob at December 28, 2024 11:54 AM (86uPL)
And both words are derived from “cleric”, from the time when Clerics at the monasteries and churches were the only members of society that had decent reading and writing skills. (A cleric being a member of the order who had no higher title)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2024 12:22 PM (7MHHr)
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Originally spelled Blackimoor or Blackmoor.
___________
CH Soyara's Titan of Blackmoor JC ROM-C
https://soyaraborzoi.com/Titan.htm
Originally spelled Blackimoor or Blackmoor.
___________
CH Soyara's Titan of Blackmoor JC ROM-C
https://soyaraborzoi.com/Titan.htm
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 12:22 PM (dxSpM)
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117 I found Stranger in A Strange Land to be a slog, and it violated my 400 page rule.
If you're going to write something over 400 pages, it better damn well be good.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2024 12:05 PM (XV/Pl)
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The key here is use shorter senten
If you're going to write something over 400 pages, it better damn well be good.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2024 12:05 PM (XV/Pl)
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The key here is use shorter senten
Posted by: Diogenes at December 28, 2024 12:23 PM (W/lyH)
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I don't know why she was that way or what was done to correct the matter, but corrected it was. She was never what anyone would call nice, but she cleaned up her act and became a phys ed teacher.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
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She reconciled her niche.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
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She reconciled her niche.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 12:23 PM (YObWY)
138
>>Sil replaced hers a couple weeks ago $330.
Yep, I got 6 years to the date on this battery, the problem is new batteries cost a small fortune and Costco has a good deal on batteries.
The AGM H6 battery I need cost about 180 with membership and is around 250 everywhere else.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
Dangit. Battery on my motorcycle is five years old, i can stay with lead/acid (stock) for $60, or go with lithium for $300. Think I'll stay stock as i would need to mod the voltage regulator to upgrade to lithium. I'll do this myself so I don't eat $180/hour on the labor.
Just did Junior-ett's Chevy Equinox, ($90) and both Chargers last year ($90 as well). Do most of my own maintenance, so that saves me some money.
Yep, I got 6 years to the date on this battery, the problem is new batteries cost a small fortune and Costco has a good deal on batteries.
The AGM H6 battery I need cost about 180 with membership and is around 250 everywhere else.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
Dangit. Battery on my motorcycle is five years old, i can stay with lead/acid (stock) for $60, or go with lithium for $300. Think I'll stay stock as i would need to mod the voltage regulator to upgrade to lithium. I'll do this myself so I don't eat $180/hour on the labor.
Just did Junior-ett's Chevy Equinox, ($90) and both Chargers last year ($90 as well). Do most of my own maintenance, so that saves me some money.
Posted by: BifBewalski at December 28, 2024 12:24 PM (MsrgL)
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CH Soyara's Titan of Blackmoor JC ROM-C
https://soyaraborzoi.com/Titan.htm
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
What a handsome fella! Thanks
https://soyaraborzoi.com/Titan.htm
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
What a handsome fella! Thanks
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 12:26 PM (4XwPj)
140
I listened to the video about immigration mentioned in the comments focusing about the H-1B. It's very good but he doesn't mention the effects of DEI on education and employment the last few years. Those effects explain at least in part the current lack of technical talent which is held to justify the need for these visas.
Posted by: Lirio100 at December 28, 2024 12:28 PM (izAv/)
141
6 -- First thing that popped into my head when I saw the word "grok".
Posted by: Livia Augusta at December 28, 2024 12:30 PM (dAnLf)
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131 There is a stretch of Lakeshore property in Lake County, OH referred to as Blackmoor. Just outside of Painesville. I was on a job in Omaha and refreshing myself at a South O bar. An Air Force Sgt comes in and sits down, and I noticed his name tag said Blackmoor. Asked him if he was from Ohio, and he said "Yeah, Painesville. There's an area there named after my Family".
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 28, 2024 12:31 PM (gm9Sb)
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Our class hooligan went to Fed prison for interstate trafficking of stolen electronics, his older brother went to Fed prison for hijacking a trailer full of color TVs, and their Dad went to Fed prison for taking bribes in immigration cases. Dad was a lawyer.
They lived on my block, three houses down.
The class hooligan got kicked out of Catholic elementary school for kicking a nun.
They lived on my block, three houses down.
The class hooligan got kicked out of Catholic elementary school for kicking a nun.
Posted by: Law-Abiding Citizen at December 28, 2024 12:32 PM (G5+As)
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IMHO, the video that Braenyard linked in the last thread should be on the sidebar, and be required watching for anyone wishing to opine on H1B visas.
https://tinyurl.com/yr9k2vtv
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:25 AM (xCA6C)
A 15 minute required educational video if there ever was. The man is incredible.
https://tinyurl.com/yr9k2vtv
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 11:25 AM (xCA6C)
A 15 minute required educational video if there ever was. The man is incredible.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at December 28, 2024 12:32 PM (iODuv)
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@118/Major French: "... You see, off Lake Erie we've got a pack of wierdies up there that bay at the moon once a week. ..."
A dog disappears, a cow is found dead
A chicken is missing, found missing it's head
Shotgun gone, print in the sand
Two toes shy, the Lakeview Man
The Lakeview Man is a wild man
Lives in the woods outside of town
Howls at the moon, listen if you can
And you might hear Lakeview Man
https://youtu.be/Tqgyxlu5hJ0
A dog disappears, a cow is found dead
A chicken is missing, found missing it's head
Shotgun gone, print in the sand
Two toes shy, the Lakeview Man
The Lakeview Man is a wild man
Lives in the woods outside of town
Howls at the moon, listen if you can
And you might hear Lakeview Man
https://youtu.be/Tqgyxlu5hJ0
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at December 28, 2024 12:33 PM (O7YUW)
146
Any man caught kicking a nun gets a night in the box.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2024 12:34 PM (hY4dx)
147
My black on black dark MAGA hat has arrived.
Now to plan where I can wear it for maximum annoyance.
Now to plan where I can wear it for maximum annoyance.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 12:34 PM (LkLld)
148
Those effects explain at least in part the current lack of technical talent which is held to justify the need for these visas.
Posted by: Lirio100 at December 28, 2024 12:28 PM (izAv/)
There's little justification. It's cheap labor. As for Elon, other oligarchs might hate American citizens, but only Musk said he's go to war in ways we cannot comprehend. Sounds like terroristic threats. Maybe he needs to be arrested. And Vivek just , to use Elon's language "fucked himself in the face" and will never be president.
Posted by: Lirio100 at December 28, 2024 12:28 PM (izAv/)
There's little justification. It's cheap labor. As for Elon, other oligarchs might hate American citizens, but only Musk said he's go to war in ways we cannot comprehend. Sounds like terroristic threats. Maybe he needs to be arrested. And Vivek just , to use Elon's language "fucked himself in the face" and will never be president.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 12:35 PM (2NXcZ)
149
Yeah, don't know what happened to Iowahawk. Different meds? Somebody tossed him a huge check in return for not hilariously skewering the establishment any more? He just suddenly went kablooie like a star athlete who is great and then suddenly hits the wall
Posted by: azjaeger at December 28, 2024 12:36 PM (pclUg)
150
Maybe next time a sinkhole will swallowup Harrisburg while the legislature's in session.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2024 12:36 PM (06nk1)
151
Wow! Titan was a beautiful hound. Was he as smart as he looks?
Posted by: Without Papers, Here at December 28, 2024 12:36 PM (G5+As)
152
*looks at calendar*
Today is baseball solstice.
Halfway between last pitch of the World Series and first pitch of Spring Training.
Today is baseball solstice.
Halfway between last pitch of the World Series and first pitch of Spring Training.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 28, 2024 12:37 PM (W/lyH)
153
I thought everyone of a certain age ("29") knew the origin of grok. Wasn't Stranger in a Strange Land culturally mandatory in college?
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 28, 2024 11:39 AM (w6EFb)
First time I saw the word was a woman in the early 00s, whose husband was in Iraq. She had a blog, was writing daily about the life of a single mother, with a husband who could be brought home in a body bag any day.
She used the word "grok," I'd never seen it before, but the context was clear enough. I thought it was just an internet word I hadn't seen before.
I never read Heinlein.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 28, 2024 11:39 AM (w6EFb)
First time I saw the word was a woman in the early 00s, whose husband was in Iraq. She had a blog, was writing daily about the life of a single mother, with a husband who could be brought home in a body bag any day.
She used the word "grok," I'd never seen it before, but the context was clear enough. I thought it was just an internet word I hadn't seen before.
I never read Heinlein.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 12:38 PM (RwxHr)
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"I was able to prove, conclusively, that conclusiveness is not conclusive."
You are also a consistent liar. Now what do you make of your statement?
You are also a consistent liar. Now what do you make of your statement?
Posted by: Ciampino - Philosophy - I fart in your general direction at December 28, 2024 12:39 PM (i0xsb)
155
Was he as smart as he looks?
Posted by: Without Papers, Here at December 28, 2024 12:36 PM (G5+As)
________
He was a very smart boy. However, his girlfriend Lacey used to run circles around him. The dumbest Borzoi girl is smarter than the smartest Borzoi boy.
Was he as smart as he looks?
Posted by: Without Papers, Here at December 28, 2024 12:36 PM (G5+As)
________
He was a very smart boy. However, his girlfriend Lacey used to run circles around him. The dumbest Borzoi girl is smarter than the smartest Borzoi boy.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2024 12:39 PM (dxSpM)
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146 Any man caught kicking a nun gets a night in the box.
Posted by: Cicero
It's even worse than it sounds. He had a deformed leg that was operated on many times in childhood. One leg shorter than the other. Had a 3" or so sole on his shoe and wielded it like a weapon.
Posted by: Cicero
It's even worse than it sounds. He had a deformed leg that was operated on many times in childhood. One leg shorter than the other. Had a 3" or so sole on his shoe and wielded it like a weapon.
Posted by: Without Papers, Here at December 28, 2024 12:40 PM (G5+As)
157
He just suddenly went kablooie like a star athlete who is great and then suddenly hits the wall
Posted by: azjaeger at December 28, 2024 12:36 PM (pclUg)
That's usually steroids.
Posted by: azjaeger at December 28, 2024 12:36 PM (pclUg)
That's usually steroids.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 12:40 PM (ja6lG)
158
We are all Groc, or will be in the burning times.
Posted by: Eromero at December 28, 2024 12:41 PM (jgmnb)
159
>>The dumbest Borzoi girl is smarter than the smartest Borzoi boy.
True of Bullmastiffs, also. We've had over a dozen them over the years, some show dogs, some pet quality. The bitches have always been smarter than the males.
True of Bullmastiffs, also. We've had over a dozen them over the years, some show dogs, some pet quality. The bitches have always been smarter than the males.
Posted by: one hour sober at December 28, 2024 12:42 PM (Y1sOo)
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150 Maybe next time a sinkhole will swallowup Harrisburg while the legislature's in session.
Posted by: Anna Puma
AM-580 is a good radio station. The rest of the city can sink, though.
Posted by: Anna Puma
AM-580 is a good radio station. The rest of the city can sink, though.
Posted by: Capitol Punishment at December 28, 2024 12:44 PM (G5+As)
161
They lived on my block, three houses down.
The class hooligan got kicked out of Catholic elementary school for kicking a nun.
Posted by: Law-Abiding Citizen at December 28, 2024 12:32 PM (G5+As)
People don't want to hear it, but the ACES study was very instrumental in understanding the correlation between childhood trauma and future adult bad behavior.
And even more people who can't quite grok (SWIDT?) regular abuse, really don't want to hear how much incest and other sexual abuse is at the heart of "hooligans" misbehaving in schools.
The class hooligan got kicked out of Catholic elementary school for kicking a nun.
Posted by: Law-Abiding Citizen at December 28, 2024 12:32 PM (G5+As)
People don't want to hear it, but the ACES study was very instrumental in understanding the correlation between childhood trauma and future adult bad behavior.
And even more people who can't quite grok (SWIDT?) regular abuse, really don't want to hear how much incest and other sexual abuse is at the heart of "hooligans" misbehaving in schools.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 12:44 PM (akqX4)
162
We are all Groc, or will be in the burning times.
Posted by: Eromero at December 28, 2024 12:41 PM (jgmnb)
I can't tell if the Haaavaaahd perfesser story is bullshit or not.
Looks like bullshit. But these days you can't tell.
Posted by: Eromero at December 28, 2024 12:41 PM (jgmnb)
I can't tell if the Haaavaaahd perfesser story is bullshit or not.
Looks like bullshit. But these days you can't tell.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 12:46 PM (iJRur)
163
And even more people who can't quite grok (SWIDT?) regular abuse, really don't want to hear how much incest and other sexual abuse is at the heart of "hooligans" misbehaving in schools.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 12:44 PM (akqX4)
I suspect the female hooligan was a sexual abuse victim, but of course I never asked. Seem the mild mannered quiet bus driver for her grade school route did time for kiddie pron.
And even more people who can't quite grok (SWIDT?) regular abuse, really don't want to hear how much incest and other sexual abuse is at the heart of "hooligans" misbehaving in schools.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 12:44 PM (akqX4)
I suspect the female hooligan was a sexual abuse victim, but of course I never asked. Seem the mild mannered quiet bus driver for her grade school route did time for kiddie pron.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 12:47 PM (2NXcZ)
164
And even more people who can't quite grok (SWIDT?) regular abuse, really don't want to hear how much incest and other sexual abuse is at the heart of "hooligans" misbehaving in schools.
Posted by: BurtTC
Our hooligan had a lot of respect for the principal and superintendent, both men. No respect whatsoever for any teacher, especially the women. He seemed to actually hate the female teachers. All of them, even the ones he didn't have in a class.
Posted by: BurtTC
Our hooligan had a lot of respect for the principal and superintendent, both men. No respect whatsoever for any teacher, especially the women. He seemed to actually hate the female teachers. All of them, even the ones he didn't have in a class.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 12:48 PM (4XwPj)
165
I was a Bad Seed.
Posted by: Patty McCormack at December 28, 2024 12:49 PM (G5+As)
Posted by: Ciampino - Philosophy - I fart in your general direction again at December 28, 2024 12:49 PM (i0xsb)
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>>>Seem the mild mannered quiet bus driver for her grade school route did time for kiddie pron.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
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Apex predator doesn't bluster around the trap.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
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Apex predator doesn't bluster around the trap.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 12:49 PM (YObWY)
168
Someone dinted my car door yesterday in the Food Lion parking lot.
Posted by: Sad Sack at December 28, 2024 11:08 AM (G5+As)
~~~~~
Empathizing here. Someone knocked the casing off my side view mirror yesterday in the ShopRite parking lot.
Posted by: Sad Sack at December 28, 2024 11:08 AM (G5+As)
~~~~~
Empathizing here. Someone knocked the casing off my side view mirror yesterday in the ShopRite parking lot.
Posted by: IrishEi at December 28, 2024 12:51 PM (3ImbR)
169
You'd think there'd be background checks.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 12:51 PM (wZ2Bf)
170
It never ends. I got a dumpster last week. Turns out the ditch where they put it is too soft and the garbage truck didn't even make it to the dumpster this morning. Now I get to move the dumpster to the other side of the driveway where it was years ago and I probably also need to order a load of recycled concrete. I should have just sold this albatross of place to a realtor or house flipper type. /whine over
Posted by: PaleRider at December 28, 2024 12:51 PM (UKUm3)
171
The feral government's H1B database has unexpected proof that we live in a simulation. H1Bs for 7-11 clerks and Chippendales dancers. If the Simpsons hadn't cancelled Apu that would be the basis of a watchable episode.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 28, 2024 12:52 PM (QZThv)
172
I suspect the female hooligan was a sexual abuse victim, but of course I never asked. Seem the mild mannered quiet bus driver for her grade school route did time for kiddie pron.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 12:47 PM (2NXcZ)
It's the kind of thing, you're not going to know about it unless someone gets busted... or you can work with these people as clients when they're adults.
Then you get to hear all the horror stories of their childhoods.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 12:47 PM (2NXcZ)
It's the kind of thing, you're not going to know about it unless someone gets busted... or you can work with these people as clients when they're adults.
Then you get to hear all the horror stories of their childhoods.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 12:52 PM (43ETV)
173
I can't tell if the Haaavaaahd perfesser story is bullshit or not.
Looks like bullshit. But these days you can't tell.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 12:46 PM (iJRur
I hold the opinion that most everything is fake, ghey, or an op. So yes, bullshite.
Looks like bullshit. But these days you can't tell.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 12:46 PM (iJRur
I hold the opinion that most everything is fake, ghey, or an op. So yes, bullshite.
Posted by: Eromero at December 28, 2024 12:52 PM (jgmnb)
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162 We are all Groc, or will be in the burning times.
Posted by: Eromero at December 28, 2024 12:41 PM (jgmnb)
I can't tell if the Haaavaaahd perfesser story is bullshit or not.
Looks like bullshit. But these days you can't tell.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 12:46 PM (iJRur)
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Philosophy? What's it good for?
We had a maxim in college on majors: would IBM employ you?
Posted by: Eromero at December 28, 2024 12:41 PM (jgmnb)
I can't tell if the Haaavaaahd perfesser story is bullshit or not.
Looks like bullshit. But these days you can't tell.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 12:46 PM (iJRur)
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Philosophy? What's it good for?
We had a maxim in college on majors: would IBM employ you?
Posted by: Ciampino - Philosophy - I fart in your general direction again at December 28, 2024 12:52 PM (i0xsb)
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Now Musk is calling Maga opposed to his immigration desires "contemptible fools", per The Hill. Also, of course, "racists".
Name calling and threats. What a guy.
Name calling and threats. What a guy.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 12:53 PM (2NXcZ)
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Posted by: Boss Moss
There are today. But I was in school from 1970something to 1985. I don't think that was even a thing back then.
There are today. But I was in school from 1970something to 1985. I don't think that was even a thing back then.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 12:53 PM (4XwPj)
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Victuals. I had no idea you pronounce it like the Beverly Hillbillies.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 12:54 PM (wZ2Bf)
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 12:54 PM (2NXcZ)
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My Jack n the Box no longer serves pancakes with their breakfast. It's breaded bread sticks they call Trench Toast. So, McDonald's it was. And not bad although the eggs looked as if they came out of an MRE.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 12:54 PM (YObWY)
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I had no idea how to spell it.
Posted by: Jethro Bodine at December 28, 2024 12:55 PM (dg+HA)
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Our hooligan had a lot of respect for the principal and superintendent, both men. No respect whatsoever for any teacher, especially the women. He seemed to actually hate the female teachers. All of them, even the ones he didn't have in a class.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 12:48 PM (4XwPj)
People get very upset about this discussion when it gets talked about here, but there's a very big difference between a male who is sexually abused by a male versus a female adult, and it makes a HUGE difference, depending on the age at which he's abused by a females.
Younger boys will experience it as trauma. Older boys, gradually from double digits on, until you get to mid-teens, see female sexual abuse as a good thing... even if it really has damaged them.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 12:48 PM (4XwPj)
People get very upset about this discussion when it gets talked about here, but there's a very big difference between a male who is sexually abused by a male versus a female adult, and it makes a HUGE difference, depending on the age at which he's abused by a females.
Younger boys will experience it as trauma. Older boys, gradually from double digits on, until you get to mid-teens, see female sexual abuse as a good thing... even if it really has damaged them.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 12:55 PM (OaicP)
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179 My Jack n the Box no longer serves pancakes with their breakfast. It's breaded bread sticks they call Trench Toast. So, McDonald's it was. And not bad although the eggs looked as if they came out of an MRE.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 12:54 PM (YObWY)
Sounds very WWI
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 12:54 PM (YObWY)
Sounds very WWI
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 12:55 PM (2NXcZ)
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I hold the opinion that most everything is fake, ghey, or an op. So yes, bullshite.
Posted by: Eromero at December 28, 2024 12:52 PM (jgmnb)
I am sure he is earnest, but I am equally sure that his lofty goals are spoken in public and ignored in private.
Posted by: Eromero at December 28, 2024 12:52 PM (jgmnb)
I am sure he is earnest, but I am equally sure that his lofty goals are spoken in public and ignored in private.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2024 12:57 PM (d9fT1)
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I wondered if fake as well, buy picture a professor making money doing nothing has to be bored and deciding living like a cave man could be possible.
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2024 12:57 PM (fwDg9)
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I looked up deconstructionism years ago, in two separate dictionaries of literature, and I might as well have been reading up on non-Euclidean geometry.
Posted by: Paco at December 28, 2024 12:57 PM (mADJX)
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Victuals. I had no idea you pronounce it like the Beverly Hillbillies.
Posted by: Boss Moss
Ever hear Granny Clampett pronounce recipe as receipt? Or like receipt without the t.
Reseep is how it was pronounced.
Posted by: Boss Moss
Ever hear Granny Clampett pronounce recipe as receipt? Or like receipt without the t.
Reseep is how it was pronounced.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 12:57 PM (4XwPj)
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H1b will be reformed and it will be better.
The Turk that brought 5G to life, here in the US, was an H1b immigrant that Biden, because of misuse of immigration law, threw out of the country. He now resides in Chyna which has recently broke our 5G code, fancy that.
Coincidence?
Longer and more complete answer here:
Elon Musk retweeted 6h
https://tinyurl.com/yr9k2vtv
The Turk that brought 5G to life, here in the US, was an H1b immigrant that Biden, because of misuse of immigration law, threw out of the country. He now resides in Chyna which has recently broke our 5G code, fancy that.
Coincidence?
Longer and more complete answer here:
Elon Musk retweeted 6h
https://tinyurl.com/yr9k2vtv
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 12:57 PM (YObWY)
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Ace used to link some of IowaHawks great satire pieces back in the day. But I don't recall seeing this one about the perfessor renaming himself grok before.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 28, 2024 12:57 PM (UKUm3)
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Pungeoned again.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 28, 2024 12:58 PM (RmxFD)
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Philosophy? What's it good for?
We had a maxim in college on majors: would IBM employ you?
Posted by: Ciampino - Philosophy - I fart in your general direction again at December 28, 2024 12:52 PM (i0xsb)
I had to take some philosophy classes as an undergrad. Generally found them to be useless in any way, I think more because the perfessers were weirdos, but yeah, if you're studying french modern philosophers, you're going to be warped to the point of the world being better off if you live in a cave and don't bother the rest of us. Ever.
We had a maxim in college on majors: would IBM employ you?
Posted by: Ciampino - Philosophy - I fart in your general direction again at December 28, 2024 12:52 PM (i0xsb)
I had to take some philosophy classes as an undergrad. Generally found them to be useless in any way, I think more because the perfessers were weirdos, but yeah, if you're studying french modern philosophers, you're going to be warped to the point of the world being better off if you live in a cave and don't bother the rest of us. Ever.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 12:58 PM (+Pr0G)
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>>>I am sure he is earnest, but I am equally sure that his lofty goals are spoken in public and ignored in private.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Lifestyle of the liberal.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Lifestyle of the liberal.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 12:59 PM (YObWY)
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I recall my cousin telling me that our grandmother told the girls to never marry a guy until they find out what he's like when he's angry. I guess we found out that Elon will threaten us, cancel us, and call us racists if we don't hand over jobs to foreign POC. Grandmother knew best.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 01:00 PM (2NXcZ)
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Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 12:53 PM (2NXcZ)
I don't put a lot of credence in what "The Hiil" says, they trying to stoke enmity between Musk and Maga supporters and Musk and Trump. The routine doesn't vary much.
I don't put a lot of credence in what "The Hiil" says, they trying to stoke enmity between Musk and Maga supporters and Musk and Trump. The routine doesn't vary much.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2024 01:00 PM (LfjNr)
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Hit a nun in third grade. Last nun I ever hit. Last person I ever swung at first.
They kept me to fix me.
They kept me to fix me.
Posted by: From about That Time at December 28, 2024 01:01 PM (4780s)
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He should go back to Africa.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:01 PM (wZ2Bf)
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 28, 2024 01:01 PM (4XwPj)
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Old Iowahawk _pre-Trump period, is the best Iowahawk
Posted by: Huck Follywood at
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Amen to that. He's spent too much time in Austin.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at
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Amen to that. He's spent too much time in Austin.
Posted by: Darth Randall at December 28, 2024 01:02 PM (Gf5xX)
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Elon Musk retweeted 6h
https://tinyurl.com/yr9k2vtv
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 12:57 PM (YObWY)
Very, very few of our H1-bs are geniuses. Elon can tweet what he likes, bandying about threats and name calling has taken the bloom off the X rose. Banning people who are not on your side of the issue makes Elon not as "American" as he thinks he is.
https://tinyurl.com/yr9k2vtv
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 12:57 PM (YObWY)
Very, very few of our H1-bs are geniuses. Elon can tweet what he likes, bandying about threats and name calling has taken the bloom off the X rose. Banning people who are not on your side of the issue makes Elon not as "American" as he thinks he is.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 01:03 PM (2NXcZ)
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Why import career entry level coders from third world shitholes.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:03 PM (wZ2Bf)
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I don't put a lot of credence in what "The Hiil" says, they trying to stoke enmity between Musk and Maga supporters and Musk and Trump. The routine doesn't vary much.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2024 01:00 PM (LfjNr)
Not unlike what RFK has gone through. Even here, people quote corporate media stories about the guy, and then when you dig into it, you realize they're full of it.
Why?
Why do you think. It's what they do.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2024 01:00 PM (LfjNr)
Not unlike what RFK has gone through. Even here, people quote corporate media stories about the guy, and then when you dig into it, you realize they're full of it.
Why?
Why do you think. It's what they do.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 01:03 PM (JwsKw)
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I guess we found out that Elon will threaten us, cancel us, and call us racists if we don't hand over jobs to foreign POC.
I guess we can assume you've created more American jobs than Elon, right?
I guess we can assume you've created more American jobs than Elon, right?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 01:04 PM (xCA6C)
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Sounds very WWI
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
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It would be an in insult to call it French toast.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
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It would be an in insult to call it French toast.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 01:04 PM (YObWY)
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I don't put a lot of credence in what "The Hiil" says, they trying to stoke enmity between Musk and Maga supporters and Musk and Trump. The routine doesn't vary much.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2024 01:00 PM (LfjNr)
How about Elon's tweet telling people to "fuck yourself in the face" and saying he's going to "war on this issue with the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend"?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2024 01:00 PM (LfjNr)
How about Elon's tweet telling people to "fuck yourself in the face" and saying he's going to "war on this issue with the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend"?
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 01:05 PM (2NXcZ)
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Ever hear Granny Clampett pronounce recipe as receipt? Or like receipt without the t.
A receipt—much as it is today—was a list of things a person was receiving. In particular, what we would call a prescription would long ago have been called a receipt. It was a list of things that a sick person needed to receive.
The word receipt then came to include the meaning of “a list for the preparation of medicines”; then grew into meaning a list for the preparation of foods as well.
And then, the word “receipt” fell out of favor as a word for preparing medicines (my cynical side says that “prescription” implies more authority for the doctor than “receipt” does; but less cynically, people no longer made their own medicines, a pharmacist did) but continued on as a a word for food preparation.
Receipt was used alongside recipe well into the twentieth century. I see it all the time in vintage books.
A receipt—much as it is today—was a list of things a person was receiving. In particular, what we would call a prescription would long ago have been called a receipt. It was a list of things that a sick person needed to receive.
The word receipt then came to include the meaning of “a list for the preparation of medicines”; then grew into meaning a list for the preparation of foods as well.
And then, the word “receipt” fell out of favor as a word for preparing medicines (my cynical side says that “prescription” implies more authority for the doctor than “receipt” does; but less cynically, people no longer made their own medicines, a pharmacist did) but continued on as a a word for food preparation.
Receipt was used alongside recipe well into the twentieth century. I see it all the time in vintage books.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 28, 2024 01:06 PM (EXyHK)
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If the Simpsons hadn't cancelled Apu that would be the basis of a watchable episode.
Posted by: Ian S.
Bring back Apu as a pickleball director.
If the Simpsons hadn't cancelled Apu that would be the basis of a watchable episode.
Posted by: Ian S.
Bring back Apu as a pickleball director.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 28, 2024 01:06 PM (63Dwl)
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198 Elon Musk retweeted 6h
https://tinyurl.com/yr9k2vtv
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 12:57 PM (YObWY)
Very, very few of our H1-bs are geniuses. Elon can tweet what he likes, bandying about threats and name calling has taken the bloom off the X rose. Banning people who are not on your side of the issue makes Elon not as "American" as he thinks he is.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
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You should listen to the clip before going on about it.
https://tinyurl.com/yr9k2vtv
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 12:57 PM (YObWY)
Very, very few of our H1-bs are geniuses. Elon can tweet what he likes, bandying about threats and name calling has taken the bloom off the X rose. Banning people who are not on your side of the issue makes Elon not as "American" as he thinks he is.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
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You should listen to the clip before going on about it.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 01:07 PM (YObWY)
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30 I knew a boy once upon a time who misunderstood the prayer line "Jesus, oh lord, I thee adore", thinking it was "Jesus, oh lord, I need a dog", which he then routinely repeated nightly for months until his mother could correct him.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2024 11:22 AM (vPwps)
But, he wasn't wrong entirely.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2024 11:22 AM (vPwps)
But, he wasn't wrong entirely.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 28, 2024 01:07 PM (xZ/E3)
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Elon can tweet what he likes
Musk appears to be using a classic motte-and-bailey defense here (although I agree with long night ending that the media lies). The H1B program has nothing to do with the 0.01%. He’s advocating for replacing most of his employees with lower-paid workers, just as any local roofer does; then when called on it, retreats to “it’s about the very best, which can be found anywhere in the world”.
But if they were the very best, you should pay them as if they were the very best.
Musk appears to be using a classic motte-and-bailey defense here (although I agree with long night ending that the media lies). The H1B program has nothing to do with the 0.01%. He’s advocating for replacing most of his employees with lower-paid workers, just as any local roofer does; then when called on it, retreats to “it’s about the very best, which can be found anywhere in the world”.
But if they were the very best, you should pay them as if they were the very best.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 28, 2024 01:08 PM (EXyHK)
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I guess we can assume you've created more American jobs than Elon, right?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 01:04 PM (xCA6C)
I don't care what he does he doesn't get to make threats and control policy. Nobody elected him or Vivek. He's damaged himself with his poor self control. Argue for your perks and spoils, but threats are out.
Maybe the new FBI should kick his doors down and find out how clean he is. If he wants "war" there are people who will give it back.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 01:04 PM (xCA6C)
I don't care what he does he doesn't get to make threats and control policy. Nobody elected him or Vivek. He's damaged himself with his poor self control. Argue for your perks and spoils, but threats are out.
Maybe the new FBI should kick his doors down and find out how clean he is. If he wants "war" there are people who will give it back.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 01:08 PM (2NXcZ)
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Blah Blah says it is a good thing Babu Slamalamadingdong and Elon The Space Lord want to bring Gunga Din here on taxpayer visas to do the work most fat and lazy Americans will not do. From pumping our gas to cheap motels to help call centers, we save a lot of money ourselves and spend other people's tax money to support our teenage lifestyles while in our 70's. Being on a fixed income, every little bit helps when it's time to replace the batteries in our Teslas when we drive off on vacation.
Posted by: Harriet And Blah Blah Nyborg, Democrat Boomers at December 28, 2024 01:09 PM (R/m4+)
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199 Why import career entry level coders from third world shitholes.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:03 PM (wZ2Bf)
Because you can pay them peanuts and work them 90 hours a week like a rented mule. Same as Mexicans imported to pick vegetables.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:03 PM (wZ2Bf)
Because you can pay them peanuts and work them 90 hours a week like a rented mule. Same as Mexicans imported to pick vegetables.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 28, 2024 01:10 PM (xZ/E3)
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But if they were the very best, you should pay them as if they were the very best.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 28, 2024 01:08 PM (EXyHK)
He's like the builder who saves a few bucks on a cheaper toilet but benefits on volume.
But if they were the very best, you should pay them as if they were the very best.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 28, 2024 01:08 PM (EXyHK)
He's like the builder who saves a few bucks on a cheaper toilet but benefits on volume.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 01:11 PM (2NXcZ)
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Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 01:05 PM (2NXcZ)
I have no idea of what prompted the tweets nor am I practically interested. I chose not to get involved in the drama . I am old enough to realize that people on the internet say all kinds of inflammatory stuff because it's too easy to hit the "send " button and there it goes. I'll wait to see how things shake out in January
I have no idea of what prompted the tweets nor am I practically interested. I chose not to get involved in the drama . I am old enough to realize that people on the internet say all kinds of inflammatory stuff because it's too easy to hit the "send " button and there it goes. I'll wait to see how things shake out in January
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2024 01:11 PM (UEOia)
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Grok some Space
SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Starlink 11-3
SLC-4E - Vandenberg Space Force Base - Space Affairs Live
Launch Date: December 28, 2024 (PT)
Launch Time: 5:58 p.m PT - December 29, 0158 UTC, 02:58 CET
https://www.youtube.com/live/5OM57Dnjmqo
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SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Astranis Block 2
SLC-40 - Cape Canaveral SFS - Space Affairs Live
Launch Date: December 29, 2024
Launch Time: 12:00 a.m. ET, 0500 UTC, 06:00 CET
Launch Window: Til 2:30 a.m. ET
https://www.youtube.com/live/nHgWiLoW6SI
SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Starlink 11-3
SLC-4E - Vandenberg Space Force Base - Space Affairs Live
Launch Date: December 28, 2024 (PT)
Launch Time: 5:58 p.m PT - December 29, 0158 UTC, 02:58 CET
https://www.youtube.com/live/5OM57Dnjmqo
________
SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Astranis Block 2
SLC-40 - Cape Canaveral SFS - Space Affairs Live
Launch Date: December 29, 2024
Launch Time: 12:00 a.m. ET, 0500 UTC, 06:00 CET
Launch Window: Til 2:30 a.m. ET
https://www.youtube.com/live/nHgWiLoW6SI
Posted by: Ciampino - I glommered onto this fast at December 28, 2024 01:11 PM (i0xsb)
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H1B visas and increased sales of curry and buttermilk.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 28, 2024 01:12 PM (gm9Sb)
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The average IQ of third world shitholers from the CIA factbook is 85 or less.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:13 PM (wZ2Bf)
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Pretty certain Iowahawk is the original NeverTrumper. There's a satirist who also chose poorly, and seems to have vanished from sight.
Posted by: Dr kill at December 28, 2024 01:13 PM (BSNnK)
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I'll wait to see how things shake out in January
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2024 01:11 PM (UEOia)
I hope JD prevails. We do not need another administration run by the unelected.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2024 01:11 PM (UEOia)
I hope JD prevails. We do not need another administration run by the unelected.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 01:13 PM (2NXcZ)
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DJ or EJ, can''t remember
Posted by: Dr kill at December 28, 2024 01:14 PM (BSNnK)
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Trump did not hire Musk to be Immigration Czar, so his thoughts on that matter are his own, and not policy.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 28, 2024 01:14 PM (8zz6B)
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GARDEN THREAD IS BLOOMING
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2024 01:14 PM (fwDg9)
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Google + Intel + Tesla were all founded or built by immigrants.
They employ 400,000+ people collectively.
Percentage of workforce allowed to be H1-B is effectively capped at 15% for big tech companies.
The other 85%+ is American.
At Google only 5% of the workforce was H1-B renewals or petitions in 2023.
The U.S. is 12/37 among first-world (OECD) nations in science.
28/37 in math.
400,000 new engineers are needed every year.
A third of positions go unfilled.
Short-term, we need foreign reinforcements or we will lose.
Long-term, we need to improve the home team.
Google + Intel + Tesla were all founded or built by immigrants.
They employ 400,000+ people collectively.
Percentage of workforce allowed to be H1-B is effectively capped at 15% for big tech companies.
The other 85%+ is American.
At Google only 5% of the workforce was H1-B renewals or petitions in 2023.
The U.S. is 12/37 among first-world (OECD) nations in science.
28/37 in math.
400,000 new engineers are needed every year.
A third of positions go unfilled.
Short-term, we need foreign reinforcements or we will lose.
Long-term, we need to improve the home team.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 01:14 PM (YObWY)
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Fucking PH O'Rourke, bwahaha
Posted by: Dr kill at December 28, 2024 01:15 PM (BSNnK)
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220 Trump did not hire Musk to be Immigration Czar, so his thoughts on that matter are his own, and not policy.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 28, 2024 01:14 PM (8zz6B)
Then don't threaten "war" if you don't get to set policy.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 28, 2024 01:14 PM (8zz6B)
Then don't threaten "war" if you don't get to set policy.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 01:16 PM (2NXcZ)
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Olivia Hussey has died. RIP Juliet.
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at December 28, 2024 01:17 PM (s8nYB)
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P.J. O'Rourke.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:17 PM (wZ2Bf)
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Couple more surnames drawn from occupations: Weaver & Webster
Had 2 classmates in grade school (1 male, 1 female) that were certainly sexually abused as young children. Didn't even know what that was until much later, but after a long time, remembering their demeanor, it was obvious.
Had 2 classmates in grade school (1 male, 1 female) that were certainly sexually abused as young children. Didn't even know what that was until much later, but after a long time, remembering their demeanor, it was obvious.
Posted by: Nazdar at December 28, 2024 01:18 PM (NcvvS)
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Fucking PH O'Rourke, bwahaha
Posted by: Dr kill at December 28, 2024 01:15 PM (BSNnK)
And now he's dead, so haha.
But seriously, PJ grew up in an era that mocked people like Trump - New Yorkers who lived a certain lifestyle, accumulating wealth in a manner that seemed gross and scummy.
I don't think he ever overcame that, a lot of so-called conservatives never did and never will.
But his comment about voting for Hillory, which was not really meant to be taken seriously, is that he would find it funnier to have her as President.
It was a way of demonstrating disdain for the office, but a lot of ever-trumpers took it as a personal affront, and banished O'Rourke until he died. And beyond.
Posted by: Dr kill at December 28, 2024 01:15 PM (BSNnK)
And now he's dead, so haha.
But seriously, PJ grew up in an era that mocked people like Trump - New Yorkers who lived a certain lifestyle, accumulating wealth in a manner that seemed gross and scummy.
I don't think he ever overcame that, a lot of so-called conservatives never did and never will.
But his comment about voting for Hillory, which was not really meant to be taken seriously, is that he would find it funnier to have her as President.
It was a way of demonstrating disdain for the office, but a lot of ever-trumpers took it as a personal affront, and banished O'Rourke until he died. And beyond.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 01:18 PM (dv7k7)
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Long-term, we need to improve the home team.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 01:14 PM (YObWY)
And firing the "home team" is not going to inspire young men to invest in that field of study.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 01:14 PM (YObWY)
And firing the "home team" is not going to inspire young men to invest in that field of study.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 01:19 PM (2NXcZ)
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Anyone have any recommendations on best appliances ie; fridge , washer , dryer?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 28, 2024 01:20 PM (D6PGr)
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If you want to fix H-1B, there are ways.
1) Fix the general type of work to be performed.
2) Require H-1Bs to be paid at least 25-50% premium over the average for that type of work in their area.
Companies will still get the premium people, who are worth it.
1) Fix the general type of work to be performed.
2) Require H-1Bs to be paid at least 25-50% premium over the average for that type of work in their area.
Companies will still get the premium people, who are worth it.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 28, 2024 01:20 PM (VNX3d)
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But his comment about voting for Hillory, which was not really meant to be taken seriously, is that he would find it funnier to have her as President.
Springtime for Hillary
But his comment about voting for Hillory, which was not really meant to be taken seriously, is that he would find it funnier to have her as President.
Springtime for Hillary
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 28, 2024 01:20 PM (63Dwl)
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I guess we can assume you've created more American jobs than Elon, right?
Here at the HQ of all places I would hope we'd understand that bringing in masses of people who aren't culturally American and aren't interested in becoming it is a bad thing. We're seeing in real time what happens with that in the UK and to a lesser extent Canada.
Here at the HQ of all places I would hope we'd understand that bringing in masses of people who aren't culturally American and aren't interested in becoming it is a bad thing. We're seeing in real time what happens with that in the UK and to a lesser extent Canada.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 28, 2024 01:21 PM (QZThv)
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I don't think driving trains is rocket surgery.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:21 PM (wZ2Bf)
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I think PJ would have been a Bulwark advocate if he had lived.
He turned. Or showed.
He turned. Or showed.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 01:22 PM (YObWY)
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Make the black hole of Calcutta great again.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:24 PM (wZ2Bf)
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Here at the HQ of all places I would hope we'd understand that bringing in masses of people who aren't culturally American and aren't interested in becoming it is a bad thing. We're seeing in real time what happens with that in the UK and to a lesser extent Canada.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 28, 2024 01:21 PM (QZThv)
Some of us here at the AoSHQ realize these arguments are pointless and silly, but revealing, in a way.
I don't know what Elon Musk says, day to day, because I'm not on twatter, and I noticed recently my elderly mother is talking about him, so that means Faux Nooz is talking about him.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 28, 2024 01:21 PM (QZThv)
Some of us here at the AoSHQ realize these arguments are pointless and silly, but revealing, in a way.
I don't know what Elon Musk says, day to day, because I'm not on twatter, and I noticed recently my elderly mother is talking about him, so that means Faux Nooz is talking about him.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 01:24 PM (ByzVN)
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People still have cable? Why?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:25 PM (wZ2Bf)
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Here at the HQ of all places I would hope we'd understand that bringing in masses of people who aren't culturally American and aren't interested in becoming it is a bad thing. We're seeing in real time what happens with that in the UK and to a lesser extent Canada.
I spent my career in science, which is full of the BnB from around the world. The idea that we can only draw on 4% of the world's talent and remain at the top of the heap is ludicrous.
Even if the new imports never adapt to being American, their kids will. They'll be the ones who have a huge role in making America prosper.
I spent my career in science, which is full of the BnB from around the world. The idea that we can only draw on 4% of the world's talent and remain at the top of the heap is ludicrous.
Even if the new imports never adapt to being American, their kids will. They'll be the ones who have a huge role in making America prosper.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 01:26 PM (xCA6C)
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I think PJ would have been a Bulwark advocate if he had lived.
He turned. Or showed.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 01:22 PM (YObWY)
Doubtful. He was good at recognizing bullshitters and grifters.
Like I said, he wasn't going to overcome decades of viewing Trump as a joke. Or most politicians as jokes.
Or people who talk about politics constantly as jokes.
But he's dead, so we get to point and laugh at him.
He turned. Or showed.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 01:22 PM (YObWY)
Doubtful. He was good at recognizing bullshitters and grifters.
Like I said, he wasn't going to overcome decades of viewing Trump as a joke. Or most politicians as jokes.
Or people who talk about politics constantly as jokes.
But he's dead, so we get to point and laugh at him.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 01:26 PM (iJRur)
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China’s Xi orders a stop to a spree of mass killings known as ‘revenge on society crimes’
https://is.gd/a6Xpj6
Oh, well, since Chairman Xi commands it, I guess my murder spree is off.
https://is.gd/a6Xpj6
Oh, well, since Chairman Xi commands it, I guess my murder spree is off.
Posted by: Chinese lunatic at December 28, 2024 01:28 PM (xCA6C)
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The Right is willing to throw out the baby with the bath water far too frequently imo.
And an ally can become persona not grata at the blink of an eye.
And an ally can become persona not grata at the blink of an eye.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 28, 2024 01:29 PM (D6PGr)
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I spent my career in science, which is full of the BnB from around the world. The idea that we can only draw on 4% of the world's talent and remain at the top of the heap is ludicrous.
Yes, and we did that fine for 150+ years without allowing corporations to make them indentured servants.
You'll understand if I react poorly to Elon and Vivek saying that I, as a straight white male programmer, am the worst thing in the world.
Yes, and we did that fine for 150+ years without allowing corporations to make them indentured servants.
You'll understand if I react poorly to Elon and Vivek saying that I, as a straight white male programmer, am the worst thing in the world.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 28, 2024 01:30 PM (QZThv)
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Even if the new imports never adapt to being American, their kids will. They'll be the ones who have a huge role in making America prosper.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 01:26 PM (xCA6C)
I have a relative who married a brown fella. Born here, but his parents are very very Dot Indian. Nice enough kid, I guess.
Always says "right" in a questioning tone at the end of his sentences. Which is annoying as heck. And very American.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 01:26 PM (xCA6C)
I have a relative who married a brown fella. Born here, but his parents are very very Dot Indian. Nice enough kid, I guess.
Always says "right" in a questioning tone at the end of his sentences. Which is annoying as heck. And very American.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 01:30 PM (7vz83)
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You'll understand if I react poorly to Elon and Vivek saying that I, as a straight white male programmer, am the worst thing in the world.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 28, 2024 01:30 PM (QZThv)
I bet they didn't say that.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 28, 2024 01:30 PM (QZThv)
I bet they didn't say that.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 01:31 PM (+H+tg)
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I have Fios cable, only way to see Formula one
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2024 01:32 PM (fwDg9)
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240 I think PJ would have been a Bulwark advocate if he had lived.
He turned. Or showed.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 01:22 PM (YObWY)
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Doubtful. He was good at recognizing bullshitters and grifters.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 01:26 PM (iJRur)
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No one there has a sense of humor, so he would have been DQ'd by that alone. Also, no ine there has any real function in society, so a successful writer would have made the grift blindingly obvious to gullible donors.
He turned. Or showed.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 01:22 PM (YObWY)
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Doubtful. He was good at recognizing bullshitters and grifters.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2024 01:26 PM (iJRur)
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No one there has a sense of humor, so he would have been DQ'd by that alone. Also, no ine there has any real function in society, so a successful writer would have made the grift blindingly obvious to gullible donors.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2024 01:33 PM (nYwem)
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I spent my career in science, which is full of the BnB from around the world. The idea that we can only draw on 4% of the world's talent and remain at the top of the heap is ludicrous.
Yes, and we did that fine for 150+ years without allowing corporations to make them indentured servants.
There are a lot of things that nations did for 150+ years that simply aren't viable in today's world. Things have changed.
Yes, and we did that fine for 150+ years without allowing corporations to make them indentured servants.
There are a lot of things that nations did for 150+ years that simply aren't viable in today's world. Things have changed.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 01:34 PM (xCA6C)
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216 The average IQ of third world shitholers from the CIA factbook is 85 or less.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:13 PM (wZ2Bf)
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But a university graduate is NOT an average intellect, regardless of where he comes from or what college.
I doubt if the average of our current population is any better.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:13 PM (wZ2Bf)
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But a university graduate is NOT an average intellect, regardless of where he comes from or what college.
I doubt if the average of our current population is any better.
Posted by: Ciampino - I glommered onto this fast I did at December 28, 2024 01:34 PM (i0xsb)
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I bet they didn't say that.
I am on X, I follow both of them. Vivek was my guy in the primary for the 5 seconds before Trump ran away with it. They're flat-out saying the best and brightest are not American and cannot be found in America.
Vivek also has this weird side conversation going about how high school football is specifically why Americans are terrible at STEM - I think he's seen "Revenge of the Nerds" too many times or something.
I am on X, I follow both of them. Vivek was my guy in the primary for the 5 seconds before Trump ran away with it. They're flat-out saying the best and brightest are not American and cannot be found in America.
Vivek also has this weird side conversation going about how high school football is specifically why Americans are terrible at STEM - I think he's seen "Revenge of the Nerds" too many times or something.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 28, 2024 01:36 PM (QZThv)
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There is no magic dirt. Import the third world, become the third world.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:37 PM (wZ2Bf)
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>>There are a lot of things that nations did for 150+ years that simply aren't viable in today's world. Things have changed.
Things haven't changed since we imported Chinese immigrants to build the railroads.
>>@Techno_Fog
>>They'd have you believe that H-1B is a meritocracy.
>>That's a lie.
>>A VP for Cognizant, who supplies thousands of H-1B workers for Silicon Valley, admitted under oath that visa workers are not more "skilled" than US workers.
Here's the court record. He's under oath admitting the truth. This is not some "anecdote".
https://tinyurl.com/bdhur963
Some of you are conflating arguments. Nobody is saying a complete moratorium on the very best but that is not what is happening with the H1B program and it hasn't been for decades. There are organizations like Cognizant all over the world that bundle foreign workers who are nowhere near the top, even they admit it.
Some of us worked in the tech field and have seen this for decades. We know how the system works.
Things haven't changed since we imported Chinese immigrants to build the railroads.
>>@Techno_Fog
>>They'd have you believe that H-1B is a meritocracy.
>>That's a lie.
>>A VP for Cognizant, who supplies thousands of H-1B workers for Silicon Valley, admitted under oath that visa workers are not more "skilled" than US workers.
Here's the court record. He's under oath admitting the truth. This is not some "anecdote".
https://tinyurl.com/bdhur963
Some of you are conflating arguments. Nobody is saying a complete moratorium on the very best but that is not what is happening with the H1B program and it hasn't been for decades. There are organizations like Cognizant all over the world that bundle foreign workers who are nowhere near the top, even they admit it.
Some of us worked in the tech field and have seen this for decades. We know how the system works.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 01:40 PM (LkLld)
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There is no magic dirt. Import the third world, become the third world.
Posted by: Boss Moss
And the trees were all made equal.
There is no magic dirt. Import the third world, become the third world.
Posted by: Boss Moss
And the trees were all made equal.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 28, 2024 01:42 PM (63Dwl)
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Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 28, 2024 01:42 PM (3lFYQ)
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Nobody is saying a complete moratorium on the very best but that is not what is happening with the H1B program and it hasn't been for decades. There are organizations like Cognizant all over the world that bundle foreign workers who are nowhere near the top, even they admit it.
As the fellow in the video clip said, there is certainly room to improve H1B. I've heard nobody dispute that. We can do both things simultaneously: improve the H1B process, and continue to import high value brains.
As the fellow in the video clip said, there is certainly room to improve H1B. I've heard nobody dispute that. We can do both things simultaneously: improve the H1B process, and continue to import high value brains.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 01:43 PM (xCA6C)
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238 People still have cable? Why?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:25 PM (wZ2Bf)
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Cable? That's my Internet connection currently 400Mbs - an unheard of speed not too long ago. In 1998 it was just under 1 Mbs downloads. Also my IP phone.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:25 PM (wZ2Bf)
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Cable? That's my Internet connection currently 400Mbs - an unheard of speed not too long ago. In 1998 it was just under 1 Mbs downloads. Also my IP phone.
Posted by: Ciampino - I glommered onto this fast I did at December 28, 2024 01:43 PM (i0xsb)
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Things haven't changed since we imported Chinese immigrants to build the railroads.
Of course they have. Back then, a strong back determined your worth, and there were lots of strong backs. Now, a strong brain does, and those are fewer and farther between.
Of course they have. Back then, a strong back determined your worth, and there were lots of strong backs. Now, a strong brain does, and those are fewer and farther between.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 01:44 PM (xCA6C)
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Neither Of Google's founders had an H1-b. Page was born in Lansing, Brin came over as a refusenik at age 6. I don't think we'll be stopping 6yos from coming with parents, and it's hard to predict if they'll be productive or just tech lord fanbois at that age.
Gordon Moore and Robert Noyce from intel, also born here. I find no evidence that Faggin came over on an old H-1, but yeah, he immigrated.
Gordon Moore and Robert Noyce from intel, also born here. I find no evidence that Faggin came over on an old H-1, but yeah, he immigrated.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 28, 2024 01:45 PM (2NXcZ)
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Trump did not hire Musk to be Immigration Czar, so his thoughts on that matter are his own, and not policy.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 28, 2024 01:14 PM (8zz6B)
NO MUSK HAS SAID BADTHINGS AND MUST BE DESTROYED BECAUSE HE DOES NOT REINFORCE MY FEELZ
FORNERS ARE STUPID, NOT SMART LIKE ME
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 28, 2024 01:14 PM (8zz6B)
NO MUSK HAS SAID BADTHINGS AND MUST BE DESTROYED BECAUSE HE DOES NOT REINFORCE MY FEELZ
FORNERS ARE STUPID, NOT SMART LIKE ME
Posted by: A Long Time and Certified Ace of Spids Commentor at December 28, 2024 01:46 PM (D7oie)
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Some of us worked in the tech field and have seen this for decades. We know how the system works.
This. We should be attracting the actual best and brightest by actually being attractive to them. Ironically, the best way to do that is going to be mass deportation.
This. We should be attracting the actual best and brightest by actually being attractive to them. Ironically, the best way to do that is going to be mass deportation.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 28, 2024 01:49 PM (P9pDS)
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Posted by: A Long Time and Certified Ace of Spids Commentor at December 28, 2024 01:46 PM (D7oie)
Love you too, Kindltot.
Love you too, Kindltot.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 28, 2024 01:51 PM (P9pDS)
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>>As the fellow in the video clip said, there is certainly room to improve H1B. I've heard nobody dispute that. We can do both things simultaneously: improve the H1B process, and continue to import high value brains.
By high value brains do you mean the engineers from China that were brought here by Facebook to censor Americans?
Not too surprising they needed foreign workers to do something so blatantly against American values.
>>@TaraBull808
>>Tucker Carlson: "At least half a dozen members of the in-house team are, in fact, Chinese Nationals in this country on H-1B visas. They're in charge of developing algorithms to censor what you're able to post on Facebook."
>>They say history repeats itself.
https://tinyurl.com/4uv4rtmz
H1B has been abused since the day it was instituted. It has nothing to do with bringing the best and brightest. I posted the article earlier today about Disney laying off their 250 person tech team in Orlando after they forced some of them train their "highly skilled" Indian replacements. Why did they need to train these highly skilled engineers?
And why are people using H1B visas to import store clerks and cooks?
By high value brains do you mean the engineers from China that were brought here by Facebook to censor Americans?
Not too surprising they needed foreign workers to do something so blatantly against American values.
>>@TaraBull808
>>Tucker Carlson: "At least half a dozen members of the in-house team are, in fact, Chinese Nationals in this country on H-1B visas. They're in charge of developing algorithms to censor what you're able to post on Facebook."
>>They say history repeats itself.
https://tinyurl.com/4uv4rtmz
H1B has been abused since the day it was instituted. It has nothing to do with bringing the best and brightest. I posted the article earlier today about Disney laying off their 250 person tech team in Orlando after they forced some of them train their "highly skilled" Indian replacements. Why did they need to train these highly skilled engineers?
And why are people using H1B visas to import store clerks and cooks?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 01:53 PM (LkLld)
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Americans can figure out how to use a toilet without an ad campaign from unicef. But they will expect decent wages.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 01:54 PM (wZ2Bf)
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H1B has been abused since the day it was instituted.
Then it needs to be reformed. I think that's something Trump should do. Do you disagree?
By high value brains do you mean the engineers from China that were brought here by Facebook to censor Americans?
This is not a serious argument.
And why are people using H1B visas to import store clerks and cooks?
They shouldn't be.
Then it needs to be reformed. I think that's something Trump should do. Do you disagree?
By high value brains do you mean the engineers from China that were brought here by Facebook to censor Americans?
This is not a serious argument.
And why are people using H1B visas to import store clerks and cooks?
They shouldn't be.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 01:57 PM (xCA6C)
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I posted the article earlier today about Disney laying off their 250 person tech team in Orlando after they forced some of them train their "highly skilled" Indian replacements. Why did they need to train these highly skilled engineers?
We've seen numerous useful proposals to make this impossible, including a requirement that they pay the prevailing American wage, or a premium for each H1B visa granted. The "it's all one thing or the other" attitude is counterproductive.
We've seen numerous useful proposals to make this impossible, including a requirement that they pay the prevailing American wage, or a premium for each H1B visa granted. The "it's all one thing or the other" attitude is counterproductive.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 01:59 PM (xCA6C)
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>>We've seen numerous useful proposals to make this impossible, including a requirement that they pay the prevailing American wage, or a premium for each H1B visa granted. The "it's all one thing or the other" attitude is counterproductive.
The blind insistence that we need to import thousands of workers by just saying Americans can't do this jobs isn't real helpful either. Not true either. The Disney workers weren't replaced because they couldn't do their jobs. They were replaced because it was cheaper for Disney.
The blind insistence that we need to import thousands of workers by just saying Americans can't do this jobs isn't real helpful either. Not true either. The Disney workers weren't replaced because they couldn't do their jobs. They were replaced because it was cheaper for Disney.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 02:03 PM (LkLld)
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Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 01:53 PM (LkLld)
Are you saying it can’t be fixed and are against trying? No one is denying that corporations have taken advantage of the program. The defenders of Musk are saying what he said is true and that we need to harvest the brain power from across the world . He’s not saying just increase the visa’s for 7/11 workers.
If does just want to increase visas without any reform then I also adamantly disagree with him but I don’t think that’s what he’s saying.
I could be wrong which would not be a surprise.
Are you saying it can’t be fixed and are against trying? No one is denying that corporations have taken advantage of the program. The defenders of Musk are saying what he said is true and that we need to harvest the brain power from across the world . He’s not saying just increase the visa’s for 7/11 workers.
If does just want to increase visas without any reform then I also adamantly disagree with him but I don’t think that’s what he’s saying.
I could be wrong which would not be a surprise.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 28, 2024 02:05 PM (D6PGr)
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The blind insistence that we need to import thousands of workers by just saying Americans can't do this jobs isn't real helpful either. Not true either.
Please show me where I said that.
The Disney workers weren't replaced because they couldn't do their jobs. They were replaced because it was cheaper for Disney.
And as I just said, that was wrong and should not be allowed.
Please show me where I said that.
The Disney workers weren't replaced because they couldn't do their jobs. They were replaced because it was cheaper for Disney.
And as I just said, that was wrong and should not be allowed.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 02:05 PM (xCA6C)
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And why are people using H1B visas to import store clerks and cooks?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 01:53 PM (LkLld)
That one is simple, it is cheaper, and they don't get pissed off at poor treatment and walk of the job. It is indentured servitude and it exists for the same reason that it existed in the 1700's in the US, because it is the cheapest way to get workers.
My argument remains the same, if the H1b is developed to fill critical labor roles that cannot be filled locally, then there is no reason to pay less than local rates for that labor, and in fact it should be higher. Take away any write off for the businesses for the wages, make them pay insurance for them while they are employed even if they work less than 35 hours. That will strip away a lot of the "cheaper labor" because it will be too expensive, and leave the high value workers who are needed.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 01:53 PM (LkLld)
That one is simple, it is cheaper, and they don't get pissed off at poor treatment and walk of the job. It is indentured servitude and it exists for the same reason that it existed in the 1700's in the US, because it is the cheapest way to get workers.
My argument remains the same, if the H1b is developed to fill critical labor roles that cannot be filled locally, then there is no reason to pay less than local rates for that labor, and in fact it should be higher. Take away any write off for the businesses for the wages, make them pay insurance for them while they are employed even if they work less than 35 hours. That will strip away a lot of the "cheaper labor" because it will be too expensive, and leave the high value workers who are needed.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 28, 2024 02:07 PM (D7oie)
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>>>Vivek also has this weird side conversation going about how high school football is specifically why Americans are terrible at STEM - I think he's seen "Revenge of the Nerds" too many times or something.
Posted by: Ian S.
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U.S. is rank among first-world (OECD) nations
science, 12th of 37
math, 28th of 37
Posted by: Ian S.
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U.S. is rank among first-world (OECD) nations
science, 12th of 37
math, 28th of 37
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 02:14 PM (YObWY)
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>>Please show me where I said that.
That is pretty much the entire argument of the pro H1B program. Americans are too stupid to do the jobs and we must have many foreign workers who are wicked smart.
Despite the fact I post a link to an article where the head of one of the many Indian tech worker recruiting companies say the workers they provide do not have a skills advantage. Despite me posting an article where 250 tech workers lost their jobs so the company could higher cheaper foreign workers. Despite me posting links showing the H1B program is being used for low and no skilled jobs.
Show me evidence that we need to important thousands of foreign tech workers because they have more skills than their US counterparts. Not claims, facts.
As I've said all along I have no problem importing exceptional talent but that is not and never had been the H1B program.
That is pretty much the entire argument of the pro H1B program. Americans are too stupid to do the jobs and we must have many foreign workers who are wicked smart.
Despite the fact I post a link to an article where the head of one of the many Indian tech worker recruiting companies say the workers they provide do not have a skills advantage. Despite me posting an article where 250 tech workers lost their jobs so the company could higher cheaper foreign workers. Despite me posting links showing the H1B program is being used for low and no skilled jobs.
Show me evidence that we need to important thousands of foreign tech workers because they have more skills than their US counterparts. Not claims, facts.
As I've said all along I have no problem importing exceptional talent but that is not and never had been the H1B program.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 02:22 PM (LkLld)
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That is pretty much the entire argument of the pro H1B program. Americans are too stupid to do the jobs and we must have many foreign workers who are wicked smart.
I didn't say Americans are stupid, but many don't want to do STEM, and as a result, foreigners are often more skilled and/or hardworking. It's a numbers game. If we are only 4% of the world's population, then there are a huge number of highly qualified foreigners we can use to our advantage.
Despite the fact I post a link to an article where the head of one of the many Indian tech worker recruiting companies say the workers they provide do not have a skills advantage. Despite me posting an article where 250 tech workers lost their jobs so the company could higher cheaper foreign workers. Despite me posting links showing the H1B program is being used for low and no skilled jobs.
Nobody is arguing that the people who abuse the process should be supported. I disagree, and have said so multiple times. I can't make it any clearer.
I also tend to believe people like Elon, who say there is a legitimate shortage of the highly talented. It isn't like he's lying because he needs the money.
I didn't say Americans are stupid, but many don't want to do STEM, and as a result, foreigners are often more skilled and/or hardworking. It's a numbers game. If we are only 4% of the world's population, then there are a huge number of highly qualified foreigners we can use to our advantage.
Despite the fact I post a link to an article where the head of one of the many Indian tech worker recruiting companies say the workers they provide do not have a skills advantage. Despite me posting an article where 250 tech workers lost their jobs so the company could higher cheaper foreign workers. Despite me posting links showing the H1B program is being used for low and no skilled jobs.
Nobody is arguing that the people who abuse the process should be supported. I disagree, and have said so multiple times. I can't make it any clearer.
I also tend to believe people like Elon, who say there is a legitimate shortage of the highly talented. It isn't like he's lying because he needs the money.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 02:29 PM (xCA6C)
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>>>My argument remains the same, if the H1b is developed to fill critical labor roles that cannot be filled locally, then there is no reason to pay less than local rates for that labor, and in fact it should be higher. Take away any write off for the businesses for the wages, make them pay insurance for them while they are employed even if they work less than 35 hours. That will strip away a lot of the "cheaper labor" because it will be too expensive, and leave the high value workers who are needed.
Posted by: Kindltot
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There's a lower end component to this argument that hasn't been mentioned. I'll refer to them as worker protection laws which have caused a worker attitude of 'I punched in what else do you expect me to do?'. You're harassing/discriminating/manipulating/predator/damaging my mental health/demanding/invading my boundaries/ and a myriad of other obstacles to productive work and an invitation to slip and fall lawyers or govt prosecution.
That is a big driver to other world labor. The need to have someone come to work and actually apply themselves to the job.
Posted by: Kindltot
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There's a lower end component to this argument that hasn't been mentioned. I'll refer to them as worker protection laws which have caused a worker attitude of 'I punched in what else do you expect me to do?'. You're harassing/discriminating/manipulating/predator/damaging my mental health/demanding/invading my boundaries/ and a myriad of other obstacles to productive work and an invitation to slip and fall lawyers or govt prosecution.
That is a big driver to other world labor. The need to have someone come to work and actually apply themselves to the job.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 02:30 PM (YObWY)
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>>>Show me evidence that we need to important thousands of foreign tech workers because they have more skills than their US counterparts. Not claims, facts.
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Show me where the new system plans to do that.
Not claims, facts.
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Show me where the new system plans to do that.
Not claims, facts.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 28, 2024 02:33 PM (YObWY)
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Shitting on the streets that Americans won't.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 28, 2024 02:36 PM (wZ2Bf)
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Director, IT E-Commerce for Bass Pro Shop.
H1B
If only there were people in the US who could run an E-Commerce program.
https://tinyurl.com/mt4ppsye
What we disagree on his the amount of abuse. It's everywhere. A program with this much abuse doesn't get tweaked, it gets ended.
What we do seem to agree on is there are a very limited number of foreign candidate for specific jobs who might be a superior candidate. And exactly nobody has argued otherwise. Let's come up with a program for them that isn't H1B.
H1B
If only there were people in the US who could run an E-Commerce program.
https://tinyurl.com/mt4ppsye
What we disagree on his the amount of abuse. It's everywhere. A program with this much abuse doesn't get tweaked, it gets ended.
What we do seem to agree on is there are a very limited number of foreign candidate for specific jobs who might be a superior candidate. And exactly nobody has argued otherwise. Let's come up with a program for them that isn't H1B.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2024 02:38 PM (LkLld)
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What we disagree on his the amount of abuse. It's everywhere. A program with this much abuse doesn't get tweaked, it gets ended.
I think there is still some need for such a program, but it needs to have strong boundaries and clear incentives to hire American, when possible. Whether that is a new program, or a reformed program under the current name is a matter of indifference to me. The real key is to develop metrics that prove whether an applicant is really superior to the American candidates, and if so, by how much. That will require that we overcome our phobia about using testing to guide hiring.
What we do seem to agree on is there are a very limited number of foreign candidate for specific jobs who might be a superior candidate. And exactly nobody has argued otherwise. Let's come up with a program for them that isn't H1B.
I think some here HAVE argued that, but I'm otherwise in agreement with what you said.
I think there is still some need for such a program, but it needs to have strong boundaries and clear incentives to hire American, when possible. Whether that is a new program, or a reformed program under the current name is a matter of indifference to me. The real key is to develop metrics that prove whether an applicant is really superior to the American candidates, and if so, by how much. That will require that we overcome our phobia about using testing to guide hiring.
What we do seem to agree on is there are a very limited number of foreign candidate for specific jobs who might be a superior candidate. And exactly nobody has argued otherwise. Let's come up with a program for them that isn't H1B.
I think some here HAVE argued that, but I'm otherwise in agreement with what you said.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2024 02:48 PM (xCA6C)
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One could also blame the need for foreigners on the dumbed down US Cultural Marxism Seminaries. Learning the LGBQXYZ instead of math and English language
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2024 03:11 PM (fwDg9)
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Skip
That was the other part of the problem. Educational standards have been slipping for years now. We are losing excellence in the pipeline. Not to mention DEI influence in hiring practices.
That was the other part of the problem. Educational standards have been slipping for years now. We are losing excellence in the pipeline. Not to mention DEI influence in hiring practices.
Posted by: Lirio100 at December 28, 2024 03:22 PM (izAv/)
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I grok Gal Gadot.
In my dreams.
In my dreams.
Posted by: jimmymcnulty at December 28, 2024 03:29 PM (zW+7z)
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We had a maxim in college on majors: would IBM employ you?
You really should have explained this as "the IBM joke."
It's funny because Tom Watson was a philosophy major.
Some of you guys are really funny, but it gets rather involved figuring out whether you meant to be.
You really should have explained this as "the IBM joke."
It's funny because Tom Watson was a philosophy major.
Some of you guys are really funny, but it gets rather involved figuring out whether you meant to be.
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at December 28, 2024 03:40 PM (zdLoL)
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People who will go on all night about Why I Will NOT Watch Football have suddenly been reminded of how American it is and how much they love it after all. Vivek did that for you.
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at December 28, 2024 03:48 PM (zdLoL)
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He's a little behind the times. Al Bundy didn't let go of his football star years. Now Survey Says....kids want to be influencers. We have too many of them already. Where are the future astronauts? Scientists? Tech Whizzes? Or even HVAC people?
Posted by: Lirio100 at December 28, 2024 03:54 PM (izAv/)
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@3:50 in Words you're Probably Pronouncing Wrong, she misspells "diphthong" as "dipthong" in the graphic, while explaining (correctly, obviously) that it's counterintuitive for the letters phth to appear together in a single word.
(Note: Bloom County's Bill the Cat often said . . . um, . . . words - yes, words, words that included phth.)
(Note: Bloom County's Bill the Cat often said . . . um, . . . words - yes, words, words that included phth.)
Posted by: LibertyDefender at December 28, 2024 03:57 PM (oS+j2)
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Good King Sauerkraut looked out
'pon his feets uneven
While the snoo lay round about,
cool and crispness even...
Walt Kelly
'pon his feets uneven
While the snoo lay round about,
cool and crispness even...
Walt Kelly
Posted by: Grouchy Dino at December 28, 2024 04:01 PM (9Pm0W)
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U.S. is rank among first-world (OECD) nations
science, 12th of 37
math, 28th of 37
Posted by: Braenyard
Which is a comparison of averages of all students. We're bad because our "low end" is really low. Both because we have some genuinely low-end students and teachers in our "inner city" so-called school districts, and probably because we try to "mainstream" everyone, while Our Betters in Europe don't even bother testing their Down Syndrome kids, if they didn't abort or euthanize them in the first place.
It says nothing about our high end students. So it's an argument for H1B'ing in some bank tellers and medical techs, not chemical engineers and computer programmers.
science, 12th of 37
math, 28th of 37
Posted by: Braenyard
Which is a comparison of averages of all students. We're bad because our "low end" is really low. Both because we have some genuinely low-end students and teachers in our "inner city" so-called school districts, and probably because we try to "mainstream" everyone, while Our Betters in Europe don't even bother testing their Down Syndrome kids, if they didn't abort or euthanize them in the first place.
It says nothing about our high end students. So it's an argument for H1B'ing in some bank tellers and medical techs, not chemical engineers and computer programmers.
Posted by: mikeski at December 28, 2024 04:48 PM (DgGvY)
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"That is pretty much the entire argument of the pro H1B program. Americans are too stupid to do the jobs and we must have many foreign workers who are wicked smart."
To frame your argument with an obviously emotional triggers like this pretty much indicates your level of understanding of the H1B program and the problems it is causing.
To frame your argument with an obviously emotional triggers like this pretty much indicates your level of understanding of the H1B program and the problems it is causing.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 28, 2024 05:07 PM (QB+5g)
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I'm not sure right now even about the high end students.
Gifted/Talented programs are being watered down in some areas for the sake of DEI. Thomas Jefferson is a magnet school in Fairfax County VA; a few years ago those in charge wanted to change the merit exams in the name of diversity. A couple of years ago a Baltimore HS "graduated a class where nearly all students failed to pass literacy exams. There should be no need to H-1B tellers or med techs either.
Gifted/Talented programs are being watered down in some areas for the sake of DEI. Thomas Jefferson is a magnet school in Fairfax County VA; a few years ago those in charge wanted to change the merit exams in the name of diversity. A couple of years ago a Baltimore HS "graduated a class where nearly all students failed to pass literacy exams. There should be no need to H-1B tellers or med techs either.
Posted by: Lirio100 at December 28, 2024 05:10 PM (izAv/)
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There is no way that Elon is going to let a bunch of third-world coders anywhere near his precious rocket.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 28, 2024 05:26 PM (QB+5g)
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All this H-1B chatter and not word about Operation Paperclip.
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