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Notre Dame Cathedral on fire, 2019

The number of new, important issues which have been headlining in the news lately makes it hard to follow them all, especially during the holiday season. And sometimes it seems like we are not meant to follow them, but rather to allow them to wash over us to increase a sense of anxiety. But the re-building of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris and its re-dedication this weekend is not just a flash-in-the-pan story.

Notre Dame

Some History - Victor Hugo

Victor Hugo’s most enduring cultural legacy is not Les Misérables and Jean Valjean’s struggle to find something resembling justice in a world that shows no mercy to the poor. The 19th century French author’s most profound mark on France, and the world, is a monumental Gothic cathedral, whose spires and rose windows are as iconic as the Eiffel Tower. To a large extent, the Notre Dame, which will be reopened on Saturday after burning to the ground in 2019, is of Victor Hugo’s making.
The Hunchback of Notre Dame, published in 1831, begins with the introduction of the beautiful gypsy Esmeralda, the hunchback Quasimodo, the archdeacon Claude Frollo, the enamored Pierre Gringoire and Captain Febo de Châteaupers... But suddenly, the novelist interrupts the narrative to speak about the desecrated state of the Parisian cathedral, which was so rickety, it looked as though it might collapse at any moment. Neither the Gothic nor the Middle Ages had been defended at that time, nor was there yet the idea that the monuments of the past should be preserved. In fact, they were often considered annoying monstrosities that had to be got rid of as soon as possible (a view that persists in some areas).

The novelist launches into a vindication of medieval and Gothic art, accusing the authorities of being responsible for their decline, not only from a lack of conservation, but also due to the imposition of current tastes on the past. "Fashions have wrought more harm than revolutions," he points out, in a phrase that could be applied to some of the barbarism inflicted on the Notre Dame.

Thanks to Hugo’s efforts, Eugène-Emmanuel Viollet-le-Duc, an architect also fascinated by the Middle Ages, was able to undertake a massive restoration project. In fact, as the world watched the fire unfold live in astonishment, the point of no return — the moment when it seemed certain that Notre Dame would be lost — was marked by the collapse of its iconic spire, which was designed by Le-Duc. The spire was a masterwork inspired by a similar structure that had been lost two centuries earlier.
“Le-Duc was passionate about the Middle Ages,” said Didier Rykner, author of Notre-Dame. Une affaire d’etat (Notre-Dame. A Matter of State). “He tried to return the cathedral to the Middle Ages: to leave the monument not in the state it was in during the Middle Ages; but the state it should have been in at that time.” Several other sites in medieval France, from Carcassonne to Mont Saint-Michel — whether seen as stunning or verging on kitsch — were also restored by Le-Duc, who pioneered the notion of the Middle Ages as a pivotal era that shaped modern identity.

The author fusses a little bit about "the appropriation of the Middle Ages by right-wing and far-right groups", but it is an interesting piece. I think it reflects some ambiguity about today's events and about the current approach to the medieval period in Europe.

Notre Dame reopens its doors to Macron and other world leaders in a rare symbol of unity

PARIS (AP) — France's iconic Notre Dame Cathedral is formally reopening its doors on Saturday for the first time since a devastating fire nearly destroyed the 861-year-old landmark in 2019.
The restoration, a spectacular achievement in just five years for a structure that took nearly two centuries to build, is seen as a moment of triumph for French President Emmanuel Macron, who championed the ambitious timeline — and a welcome respite from his domestic political woes.

"Political woes" means getting kicked to the curb by voters, I guess.

Under the luminous stained glass, many world leaders, dignitaries, and worshippers will gather in the evening to mark the occasion — a rare moment of unity against the backdrop of global divisions and conflicts.
President-elect Donald Trump, America's first lady Jill Biden and Britain's Prince William, along with dozens of state and government and personalities — 1,500 guests in all — will attend the reopening celebration under Notre Dame’s soaring Gothic arches, led by Archbishop Laurent Ulrich.

Trump's Notre Dame Appearance Means More Than You Think

David Strom:

Emmanuel Macron, the French President, invited President Donald Trump to attend the grand re-opening of Notre Dame Cathedral after 5 years of reconstruction.
It will be a grand affair, attended by 50 heads of state, and Donald Trump is being treated as one of them even before he returns to power on January 20th, 2025.
That's a big deal, because it is a symbolic acknowledgment that in the eyes of the world, including Europe, Donald Trump is already the president who matters. Joe Biden is PINO (President in Name Only). I like that neologism.

Strom discusses why European leaders may have mixed feelings about Trump. But:

One thing we do know, though, is that Trump is responsive to flattery, and you can expect a lot of it when he arrives in Europe. There won't be the sniggering we saw during his first term as he is striding onto the world stage as a victor. I expect he will get most of what he wants.
Pleasing Trump is much more important than pleasing Ursula von der Layen at the EU.

Thoughts on the medieval era and our attention to its art and architecture? Or on today's grand event at Notre Dame?

Here's a fascinating thread about another great edifice:

This is Mont Saint Michel, a 1,300 year-old abbey built in Normandy, France.

It's a masterpiece of Medieval engineering and defies all odds.

But it isn't a solitary wonder, it's part of the greatest formation of marvels that you've never heard of... 🧵 pic.twitter.com/T6MYlOpa8t
— World Scholar (@WorldScholar_) November 24, 2024

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More "History"

Never change, Axios. Consider just going away.

Axios Butchers the History of Thanksgiving

On the day before Thanksgiving, Axios published an article titled “Thanksgiving’s Troubled History” by Russell Contreras, the “Justice and Race reporter at Axios.”
Citing “a new generation of historians,” Contreras declares that “Thanksgiving in the United States is based on a mythical feast between the Wampanoag people and Mayflower Pilgrims” and that “the holiday’s real story is mixed with national unity and racial exclusion.”
According to Contreras, the Native Americans weren’t actually invited to the famous 1621 meal but “showed up” out of “concern over gunshots.” . . .

A little bit of investigative journalism concerning the Axios piece follows.

In short, Axios’ claim that Thanksgiving is “based on a mythical feast” rests on an uncorroborated assertion made by one person 400 years after the events in question.
Peters’ version of Thanksgiving doesn’t even appear to be a tribal tradition because she stated that the Wampanoag celebrate Thanksgiving like other Americans and “most of us are taught about the friendly Indians and the friendly Pilgrims and people sitting down and eating together.”
Moreover, Peters’ account is at odds with the first-hand witness of Edward Winslow, governor of the Pilgrim colony, which consisted of only 53 people at the time. He wrote that the Pilgrims “entertained and feasted” with the Indians for three days because, “by the goodness of God, we are so far from want, that we often wish you partakers of our plenty.”
That was 242 years before Abraham Lincoln established Thanksgiving as a national holiday, obliterating the accusation that Lincoln made it up.

The National Press Club recently honored Axios CEO Jim VandeHei, who took the opportunity to lambaste Elon Musk for saying to X users, “You are the media now.” . . .

Heh.

Visual "History" these days

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Music

Sous le Ciel de Paris

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Last week's thread,
November 30, Has anything filled you with wonder this year?

Did you find any news from the last couple of weeks to be stunning?

MAYBE THIS WILL JOG YOUR MEMORY: Steven Hayward's Week in Pictures: Pardon Me?

Comments are closed so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

Posted by: K.T. at 11:10 AM

Comments

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1 Good morning KT

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2024 11:11 AM (NvZqN)

2 No interest in Paris-sites.

Posted by: Not a Fluke at December 07, 2024 11:15 AM (D0hl3)

3 Good morning!
That castle at St. Michel is one of my regrets.
I was on a tour and the choice was to visit there or the visit the tapestry detailing the invasion of 1066, and I chose the latter.
Sucks when you have to choose between two fantastic destinations.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 07, 2024 11:15 AM (c6hLR)

4 Just finishing weeks CJN Speaks and found out real President DJT is going to Notre Dame ceremony. Only worry about his safety but a perfect opportunity to show USA support.

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2024 11:16 AM (NvZqN)

5 KT I like you posting Powerline week in pictures link.

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2024 11:17 AM (NvZqN)

6 Skip at December 07, 2024 11:16 AM

Well, the Real President DJT and the Acting President Jill Biden, throwing gold bars off the Titanic?

Posted by: KT at December 07, 2024 11:18 AM (xekrU)

7 "Notre Dame reopens its doors to Macron and other world leaders in a rare symbol of unity"

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Why am I picturing a headline in old Rome: "Senate reopens its doors to Caesar and a group of Senators in a rare symbol of unity"

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 11:20 AM (lH8E4)

8 Nice wheelchair, Henry.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 11:20 AM (muwun)

9 Why am I picturing a headline in old Rome: "Senate reopens its doors to Caesar and a group of Senators in a rare symbol of unity"
Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 11:20 AM (lH8E4)
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Caesar Augustus Trumpicus Magnus Maximus.

Fixed it for ya.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:21 AM (ZOv7s)

10
Macaroon and all the other EU slugs are there amidst a collapsing polity while the True President of the United States strides in like a colossus.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2024 11:21 AM (dxSpM)

11 Truly amazing what has been done with Notre Dame - a stunning national achievement. God bless them.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Plucky Comic Relief, AoS Ladies Brigade - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at December 07, 2024 11:22 AM (SRRAx)

12
QUASIMODO ROCKNE, ALL-AMERICAN

There once was a man of great fame
A star athlete. You surely know his name!
He's the man of your dreams
He was on the football team
He played hunchback four years at Notre Dame!

Posted by: muldoon at December 07, 2024 11:23 AM (991eG)

13 The 19th century French author’s most profound mark on France, and the world, is a monumental Gothic cathedral, whose spires and rose windows are as iconic as the Eiffel Tower

Hmm. Interesting.

Posted by: Abbott Suger at December 07, 2024 11:23 AM (muwun)

14 The Roman emperor Trump most resembles is Aurelian, Restitutor Orbis, who saved the Empire from the Crisis of the Third Century.

Although he's got a dash of Constantine about him for saving Christians from persecution.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:23 AM (ZOv7s)

15 THE KING IS A GIMP!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 11:23 AM (muwun)

16 I’m glad the cathedral was restored… although I’m afraid Christianity is pretty much dead in Western Europe (and trending that way here in the US)
I’m glad Trump will be flattered… but hope the flattery doesn’t blind him to the underlying perfidy; Western Europe isn’t really our friend anymore

I only go to Axios these days to point and laugh

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 07, 2024 11:23 AM (ZiaCc)

17 THE KING IS A GIMP!!!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 11:23 AM (muwun)
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What does it say about countries that look at our complicated history of race relations, all the pain, and suffering as we try to work through it and they say: "hell yeah! We want that, too!"

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:24 AM (ZOv7s)

18 Joe who?

https://tinyurl.com/ybfpcrdu

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2024 11:25 AM (LkLld)

19 I guess I'm kind of numb to all the festivities in France. You might say I have Paris-thesia.

Posted by: muldoon at December 07, 2024 11:25 AM (991eG)

20 Truly amazing what has been done with Notre Dame - a stunning national achievement. God bless them.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Plucky Comic Relief, AoS Ladies Brigade - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at December 07, 2024 11:22 AM (SRRAx)

I just can't quite grasp what's so impressive: A godless, suicidal nation of cowards rebuilds a church.

And when it's turned into a mosque, or destroyed again, what will anyone say then?

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 11:26 AM (lH8E4)

21 "Joe Biden is PINO (President in Name Only)."

Obama is not PINO noir.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 07, 2024 11:26 AM (w6EFb)

22 although I’m afraid Christianity is pretty much dead in Western Europe (and trending that way here in the US)

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 07, 2024 11:23 AM (ZiaCc)
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Significant year-on-year gains in adult conversions and teen baptisms in France. Still only in the low five figures, but it's something.

US decline seems to be stalling, and vocations have seen significant increases, the highest in a generation. The number of seminarians in our diocese is almost triple what it was ten years ago.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:27 AM (ZOv7s)

23 I first heard of Mont St Michel in a WWII story. Might have been Ken Follet; I forget. Fascinating. Now they have a bridge across, so not as thrilling.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 07, 2024 11:27 AM (w6EFb)

24 And when it's turned into a mosque, or destroyed again, what will anyone say then?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 11:26 AM (lH8E4)

I'm sure that the conversion plans for the Hagia Sophia are still available from the Turks for use as a handy conversion template.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 11:28 AM (muwun)

25
I’m glad the cathedral was restored… although I’m afraid Christianity is pretty much dead in Western Europe (and trending that way here in the US)

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The first part I agree with and the second I don't. Christianity in the US is undergoing a transformation. The mainline denominations that embraced the World are disintegrating but there's rapid growth among groups where traditional values and peactices are paramount.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2024 11:28 AM (dxSpM)

26 Hey, Clyburn, its not to late for Joe to resign, to swear in Kalama as the first BLACK WOMAYN preznit and ride the wave on the arc of history. Lordy lordy we loves to porty. Then, whhatever...

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at December 07, 2024 11:28 AM (QSrLX)

27
Kammie will never be Presidentette.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2024 11:29 AM (dxSpM)

28 Morning.

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2024 11:30 AM (1Yy3c)

29 I spent a night on Mt St Michel. It’s a very cool place. If you’re ever in the neighborhood, definitely go.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 07, 2024 11:31 AM (SBwvE)

30 Senatrix Harris, then Vice-Presidentrix

Posted by: Common Tater at December 07, 2024 11:31 AM (wNEJY)

31 By the way, our diocese covers some of the most liberal parts of Michigan, and these young priests are seriously orthodox. I love to see it.

Recent surveys among seminarians also hold out hope for the future. For the first time since surveys began, there are zero seminarians who describe themselves as "very liberal." A tiny percentage (like 1 percent) lean that way, but an overwhelming majority are conservative or very conservative.

These are the bishops and cardinals of the future. Francis' generation is the last of the old guard, which is why he (and they) are acting so crazy.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:32 AM (ZOv7s)

32 I'm sure that the conversion plans for the Hagia Sophia are still available from the Turks for use as a handy conversion template.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 11:28 AM (muwun)

The church where I was married was a small, unadorned thing, and initially the Church gave it over to immigrants to celebrate mass in their native language.

That didn't do anything for the bottom line, so they sold the building to some weirdo sect. Still foreigners. For all I know it's a mosque now too, and if so it wouldn't be the first Catholic church in the metro area to have been converted.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 11:33 AM (lH8E4)

33 Joe Biden is PINO (President in Name Only)."

Obama is not PINO noir.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 07, 2024 11:26 AM (w6EFb)

An intrusive nose giving way to an overbearing and full-bodied incompetence and fruit-forward attitude, slippery finish with a topnote of insufferable smugness.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 11:33 AM (muwun)

34 Edith Piaf, more classical European and "white" repertoire impressed upon us.

Posted by: Braenyard - some absent friends are more equal than others at December 07, 2024 11:34 AM (3+8sI)

35 Mount Saint Michel was besieged for over 40 years during the Hundred Years War and never fell

Posted by: logprof at December 07, 2024 11:34 AM (KuGTp)

36 Not all declines are terminal.

With God, anything is possible.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:34 AM (ZOv7s)

37 Morning KT.
A nice summary on Notre Dame.
Thanxs.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2024 11:35 AM (W/lyH)

38 An intrusive nose giving way to an overbearing and full-bodied incompetence and fruit-forward attitude, slippery finish with a topnote of insufferable smugness.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 11:33 AM (muwun)
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Tends to induce gay feelings in the drinker.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:35 AM (ZOv7s)

39 Notre Dame has been restored to its rightful place and so has Trump.

The symbolism of this weekend is going to ripple around the world.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2024 11:35 AM (LkLld)

40 Notre Dame has been restored to its rightful place and so has Trump.

The symbolism of this weekend is going to ripple around the world.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2024 11:35 AM (LkLld)
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Do think they'll crown him immediately, or do it in Aachen in January?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:36 AM (ZOv7s)

41
Edith Piaf, more classical European and "white" repertoire impressed upon us.
Posted by: Braenyard - some absent friends are more equal than others

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I'm afraid I can't bear Edith Piaf and that nasal whiny torch song pain singing. A prototype of Taylor Swift.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2024 11:36 AM (dxSpM)

42 The Allies have VE and VJ Day. What do the Axios have?

Posted by: Rex B at December 07, 2024 11:36 AM (PT7Bh)

43 Now is the time to give thanks.

https://is.gd/peCObu

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 11:37 AM (L/fGl)

44 36 Not all declines are terminal.

With God, anything is possible.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

We are living through Judgement Day and have been since May, 2011. Actual day for the end of all things is likely in 2033.

Posted by: Terminal Generation at December 07, 2024 11:39 AM (D0hl3)

45 At my st Michael there’s this area that’s kind of like a courtyard. And a perimeter around it built out of stone. And there are signs all over saying don’t sit on the stones. Signs in every language.

Guess what all the Japanese tourists do? Sit on the stones and take selfies.

In my exhaustive travels worldwide I can safely say Americans re by far, the best behaved tourists. We bend over backwards to resoect local customs and rules. The rest of the world, yeah no. I swear the entire concept of waiting in line is unknown outside North America.

And yet we’re the “ugly Americans”.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 07, 2024 11:39 AM (SBwvE)

46 We are living through Judgement Day and have been since May, 2011. Actual day for the end of all things is likely in 2033.
Posted by: Terminal Generation at December 07, 2024 11:39 AM (D0hl3)

So, economically speaking, would you say taking early Social Security is your best bet then?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 11:40 AM (muwun)

47 Reconstructing the spire is silly. They should have just grafted a minaret onto the building and spared the expense of converting it in 20 years.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2024 11:41 AM (BI5O2)

48 "I saw the crown of France on the ground. I mean, not literally, you know, it wasn't just lying there. No one would do that. It's a beautiful crown by the way, very classy. So while it wasn't actually on the ground no one was using it, and so I picked it up with my sword, again, not literally, I wouldn't want to damage it because it's gorgeous, it really is. I've seen a few crowns, and everyone says this is the best. Everyone thinks so. And because of my love for the people, all the people, I really love them, and the grace of God, so much grace, so very much grace, I now take the throne as Emperor Donald I, The Classy."

- Imperial Coronation, Aachen, Germany, January 25, Anno Domini 2025.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:42 AM (ZOv7s)

49 Joe Biden is PINO (President in Name Only)."

Obama is not PINO noir.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 07, 2024 11:26 AM (w6EFb)

An intrusive nose giving way to an overbearing and full-bodied incompetence and fruit-forward attitude, slippery finish with a topnote of insufferable smugness.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 11:33 AM (muwun)

Very nice!

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 07, 2024 11:42 AM (w6EFb)

50 He's real!

https://is.gd/Ll9FNp

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 11:43 AM (L/fGl)

51 We are living through Judgement Day and have been since May, 2011. Actual day for the end of all things is likely in 2033.
Posted by: Terminal Generation at December 07, 2024 11:39 AM (D0hl3)
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Every day is judgment day, and none shall know the hour.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:43 AM (ZOv7s)

52 Does Macron's wife dress like a street hooker with fishnet stockings, too, or is that just Dr. Jill's thing?

Posted by: one hour sober at December 07, 2024 11:44 AM (Y1sOo)

53 Now is the time to give thanks.

https://is.gd/peCObu
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 11:37 AM (L/fGl)

RLM did one of their ReViews with Jack Quaid joining Mike to review Galaxy Quest. Jack is praising the film to high heaven, saying he wasn't a Star Trek fan as a kid (and later had a role on one of their shows), but loved the film without knowing to much about ST.

Meanwhile, Mike, who is the biggest ST fanboi in all the land, can't quite bring himself to love the movie... because it wasn't Star Trekkie enough for him, and he has no concrete evidence for his sour attitude.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 11:45 AM (lH8E4)

54 Does Macron's wife dress like a street hooker with fishnet stockings, too, or is that just Dr. Jill's thing?
Posted by: one hour sober at December 07, 2024 11:44 AM (Y1sOo)

No, she's classy. Aside from being a child molester.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2024 11:45 AM (BI5O2)

55 Bitch best have my money!

Posted by: Henry VIII at December 07, 2024 11:45 AM (2UnvF)

56 Does Macron's wife dress like a street hooker with fishnet stockings, too, or is that just Dr. Jill's thing?
Posted by: one hour sober at December 07, 2024 11:44 AM (Y1sOo)

She tends to dress in clothing that will effectively hide her dick.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 11:46 AM (lH8E4)

57 Reconstructing the spire is silly. They should have just grafted a minaret onto the building and spared the expense of converting it in 20 years.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2024 11:41 AM (BI5O2)

Twenty years? Hah! You eternal optimist, you.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 11:47 AM (lH8E4)

58 Bitch best have my money!
Posted by: Henry VIII at December 07, 2024 11:45 AM (2UnvF)
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Wait, if that's supposed to be Henry VIII, I highly approve.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:47 AM (ZOv7s)

59 The odds may be low but are never zero.

https://is.gd/HbcPgO

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 11:50 AM (L/fGl)

60 US decline seems to be stalling, and vocations have seen significant increases, the highest in a generation. The number of seminarians in our diocese is almost triple what it was ten years ago.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:27 AM (ZOv7s)

I hope it’s stalling but what I’ve seen in Protestant churches in the last 35 years … specifically evangelicals, is not positive. The “seeker friendly” movement has significantly weakened the church

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 07, 2024 11:50 AM (+kWhq)

61 I used Notre Dame in the systems engineering classes as teach as an example of solution design where the solution is art. The technological breakthrough of using flying buttresses to spread out the weight of the roof, allowing a large interior opening is mind boggling. Then incorporating the rain gutters into the buttress with gargoyle mouths for the water sprout makes that art over form even more impressive.

Then I flash the RV from Damnation Alley, as a good example of just because you can, don't.

Posted by: BifBewalski at December 07, 2024 11:50 AM (MsrgL)

62
- Imperial Coronation, Aachen, Germany, January 25, Anno Domini 2025.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:42 AM (ZOv7s)

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There's a great parody speech by Pope Donald I. It actually makes you want to say, "In hoc signo vinces!"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2024 11:50 AM (dxSpM)

63 Notre Dame has been restored to its rightful place and so has Trump.

The symbolism of this weekend is going to ripple around the world.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2024 11:35 AM (LkLld)

I like that.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 07, 2024 11:50 AM (g8Ew8)

64 We are living through Judgement Day and have been since May, 2011. Actual day for the end of all things is likely in 2033.

Probably the day before I can turn in my retirement paperwork.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at December 07, 2024 11:51 AM (lUFok)

65 He's real!

https://is.gd/Ll9FNp
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 11:43 AM (L/fGl)

So, we just need to send a truckload of Girl Scout Cookies into the PNW to catch Bigfoot? Sounds like a plan....

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf - Remember Vic and VNN! at December 07, 2024 11:51 AM (VNX3d)

66 I am always awed by ancient structures. It is almost impossible for me to grasp the magnitude of labor, materials, and craftsmanship associated with such. And, while we might be able to duplicate things, I seriously doubt that we could today achieve the construction something like Mont Saint Michel using the same methods and skills.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2024 11:51 AM (XeU6L)

67 It's weird that Catholic churches across France are being vandalized and burning down.

Must be Trump supporters, I guess.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2024 11:52 AM (uxCna)

68 Amazing.

https://tinyurl.com/27bhzjz6

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2024 11:52 AM (LkLld)

69 This is the Anniversary of the bombing of Pearl Harbor...

Posted by: It's me donna at December 07, 2024 11:53 AM (IyPmt)

70 Bring me the royal wheelrights! Needs me some spinner rims on my wheelchair!

Posted by: Henry VIII at December 07, 2024 11:54 AM (2UnvF)

71 Amazing.

https://tinyurl.com/27bhzjz6
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2024 11:52 AM (LkLld)

And to think, had he been there Biden would have missed being in this shot because he walked into a coat closet

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 11:55 AM (muwun)

72 I see that Ukrainian midget still won't put on a suit.

Posted by: one hour sober at December 07, 2024 11:55 AM (Y1sOo)

73 It's been estimated that American individuals and companies have donated $62,000,000 to the Notre Dame restoration fund.

Posted by: mrp at December 07, 2024 11:56 AM (rj6Yv)

74
AI Jesus installed in a Swiss confessional.

https://tinyurl.com/5hyn874j

I hope He tells everyone they're headed for hell.

What they also need is an AI priest that doesn't deviate from even the punctuation of the Council of Trent.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2024 11:56 AM (dxSpM)

75 I see that Ukrainian midget still won't put on a suit.

When was the last time you saw a comedian in a suit?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 11:56 AM (muwun)

76 In my exhaustive travels worldwide I can safely say Americans re by far, the best behaved tourists. We bend over backwards to resoect local customs and rules. The rest of the world, yeah no. I swear the entire concept of waiting in line is unknown outside North America.

And yet we’re the “ugly Americans”.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 07, 2024 11:39 AM (SBwvE)

One of my biggest pet peeves are the rude foreigners at our National Parks. And yeah, it's not just the Chinese.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 11:58 AM (lH8E4)

77 >>When was the last time you saw a comedian in a suit?

Rodney Dangerfield on The Tonight Show, probably.

Posted by: one hour sober at December 07, 2024 11:58 AM (Y1sOo)

78 I see that Ukrainian midget still won't put on a suit.

When was the last time you saw a comedian in a suit?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 11:56 AM (muwun)

Seinfeld! In all those standup openings of the show…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 07, 2024 11:58 AM (WnEm5)

79 Reconstructing the spire is silly. They should have just grafted a minaret onto the building and spared the expense of converting it in 20 years.

Mark Steyn had a retrospective piece a few days ago about all the demographic writing he did around the turn of the century - and how things are progressing exactly how he predicted.

Austria, which one doesn't generally associate with mass Muslim immigration, had a 0.3% Muslim population in 1971. It's now 10%.

Where do you think Austria will be in another 50 years?

Steyn noted this talking to someone in a coffeehouse in Vienna in 2002, and there was a maternity clinic across the street, and everyone going into the maternity clinic was Muslim.

Steyn saw the future.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2024 11:59 AM (uxCna)

80 >>>68 Amazing.
https://tinyurl.com/27bhzjz6
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2024 11:52 AM (LkLld
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Great pic of a smiling. Happy PDJT. Unfortunately that weasel Zman had to creep in there. Obviously he didn’t get the memo about dressing appropriately when meeting the President Trump. America can’t that Uke gum off our shoe soon enough.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 07, 2024 11:59 AM (Iy4wM)

81
"You know, it’s a sad thing to say, but the Church is in such bad shape; terrible shape under Francis. The Catholic Church doesn’t win anymore. We just don’t. When is the last time Catholics won anything? Lepanto? When was that, the 1500’s? We don’t win anymore. But, let me just say, Under a Trump papacy, we are going to win again. We are going to win so much. We are going to win so much you are all going to be sick of winning, ok?"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2024 11:59 AM (dxSpM)

82 When was the last time you saw a comedian in a suit?

Rodney Dangerfield on The Tonight Show, probably.
Posted by: one hour sober at December 07, 2024 11:58 AM (Y1sOo)

Don Rickles.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 07, 2024 12:00 PM (g8Ew8)

83 Recently was watching an old segment of 'Modern Marvels, Engineering Disasters'. Watching one and another spectacular failures of relatively recent constructions was rather depressing. See: The Florida University pedestrian bridge.

By contrast, it brought to mind the Eiffel tower...built of iron, using pencil and paper.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2024 12:00 PM (XeU6L)

84 Trump is going to be holding summits in Europe. Hope the Hamas scum are rounding up the hostages so they can release them on Jan 20th. Maybe they can send both Biden and Carter there to greet them. Let's get Ted Koppel on to talk about it when it happens.

Posted by: Roy at December 07, 2024 12:00 PM (z+ik4)

85 The first Thanksgiving was in St. Augustine (now Florida). It was a Catholic Mass. The word "Eucharist"means thanksgiving.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 07, 2024 12:01 PM (+H2BX)

86 Steyn saw the future.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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See: 'Camp of the Saints' (1973)

IF you can find a copy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2024 12:02 PM (XeU6L)

87 > Obama, in 1st remarks since election, says 'a line has been crossed' if 'one side' makes certain moves...
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I'm hoping the 'certain moves' involve 'one side' putting his ass in prison. Because that's exactly what he's implying will happen with Trump's administration.

That, and some sort of threat to democracy or something.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 07, 2024 12:02 PM (Q4IgG)

88 Does Macron's wife dress like a street hooker with fishnet stockings, too, or is that just Dr. Jill's thing?
Posted by: one hour sober at December 07, 2024 11:44 AM (Y1sOo)

No, she's classy. Aside from being a child molester.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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This!!! Didn't she start molesting him at 14 or so while she was married with 3 or 4 kids. I can't believe that he stayed with her. She is 24 years older than him. He could still have a family at 46.
I find it odd that so many European leaders are childless.

Posted by: lin-duh at December 07, 2024 12:03 PM (VCgbV)

89 Buck Sexton@BuckSexton
That the official White House position on Hunter’s pardon is “nobody else would have been prosecuted” for
1) tax evasion (millions of dollars)
2 FARA violation
3) crack cocaine
4) sex trafficking
5) illegal possession of a firearm-

is *BATSHIT INSANE*

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But Trump lies!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 12:03 PM (L/fGl)

90 We are living through Judgement Day and have been since May, 2011. Actual day for the end of all things is likely in 2033.
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Probably the day before I can turn in my retirement paperwork.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at December 07, 2024 11:51 AM (lUFok)

All across the land, the movie cliches are playing out. Guys who show up to work, are surprised the fellas are throwing him a retirement party. There are drinks, there are jokes about him sitting on the porch telling war stories, and there's that photograph of the boat he just bought.

Oh, what's that? One more mission? Low risk, just a routine day at the office? Sure, why not. What could possibly go wrong.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 12:03 PM (lH8E4)

91 ,@22;A.H. the sales of Bibles are reaching records in the last year in the USA. So maybe there is a spiritual revival going on somewhat unnoticed. The propaganda ministries won't report it

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 07, 2024 12:04 PM (lshiZ)

92 Does Macron's wife dress like a street hooker with fishnet stockings, too, or is that just Dr. Jill's thing?
Posted by: one hour sober at December 07, 2024 11:44 AM (Y1sOo)

No, she's classy. Aside from being a child molester.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 07, 2024 11:45 AM (BI5O2)

Her real name is Chester?

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at December 07, 2024 12:04 PM (iODuv)

93 I find it odd that so many European leaders are childless.
Posted by: lin-duh at December 07, 2024 12:03 PM (VCgbV)

I find it odd that anyone would find this odd.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 12:05 PM (lH8E4)

94 68 Amazing.

https://tinyurl.com/27bhzjz6
Posted by: JackStraw
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Well, it's crying time again, he's going to shiv me.
I can tell by that smiling look upon his face

Posted by: Braenyard - some absent friends are more equal than others at December 07, 2024 12:05 PM (3+8sI)

95 We are living through Judgement Day and have been since May, 2011. Actual day for the end of all things is likely in 2033.

What month and day will that be so I can pencil it in on my calendar.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 07, 2024 12:06 PM (Rcnd3)

96 I never liked Edith Piaf. But I like this tune and that gal has the perfect voice for it.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 07, 2024 12:06 PM (+H2BX)

97 Where do you think Austria will be in another 50 years?

I think that the story of the 21st Century will be The Decline of Europe - the population is in the process of being replaced, the economy is stagnant and becomes less important globally every year, and just about every tech entrepreneur in Europe heads for the United States, given the stifling economic regulation in Europe.

And two Western European countries have nuclear weapons.

Somebody put up on X a graph of where tech companies are located - lots in the US and Asia, and just a handful of smaller companies in Europe.

The response of one commenter was to denounce the graph, because a few of the handful of European companies were Russian, and Russia obviously isn't part of Europe.

Talk about missing the point...

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2024 12:06 PM (uxCna)

98 Steyn saw the future.
Posted by: The ARC of History!

And it sucks!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 12:07 PM (L/fGl)

99 The French are still capable of doing great things.

Thank you France for restoring Notre Dame (again).

You are a very proud and unique people and have a lot to be proud about.

Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 07, 2024 12:07 PM (QB+5g)

100 Signs of rats fleeing the rapidly sinking ship in Syria, flights tracked, and insiders commenting that the top tiers have already fled. Rebels nibbling on greater Damascus area, no sign of substantial coordinated government military response.

Israeli officials had leaked that Israel would take "buffer" zone beyond the Golan if rebels took Homs, which I think they have. Druze in the south on Jordanian border have ejected what's left of government forces apparently (desertions now of course increasing rapidly). Lebanese Hezbollah now faces the ultimate catastrophe, complete loss of their Iranian logistics connection.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2024 12:07 PM (1m82a)

101 Steyn saw the future.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2024 11:59 AM (uxCna)

But he got the temperature wrong!

Posted by: Michael UnMannly at December 07, 2024 12:07 PM (lH8E4)

102 Thoughts on the medieval era and our attention to its art and architecture? Or on today's grand event at Notre Dame?

This lady has thoughts about it and was saddened by Macron wanting to modernize parts of the restoration and bring it into the 21st century.

https://youtu.be/2uqlUhbphps

6 minutes.

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 07, 2024 12:08 PM (AXxr0)

103 "Actual day for the end of all things is likely in 2033."

Okay. Several things have to happen first.

1) Rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem.
2) Rise of the Anti-Christ.
3) The number of the Gentiles, being fulfilled, the Jews convert "en masse."

With Trump winning the election, I think things have been push out just a bit more.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 07, 2024 12:08 PM (+H2BX)

104 The history of Thanksgiving is pure propaganda. Still, it's a nice tradition, and family and friends need to have more gatherings to improve our quality of life.

Work sucks, the governments sucks, our society is diseased and wealth distribution in this country-of-wealth is criminal.

What I'm proposing is that we need a Mexican Thanksgiving. These illegal aliens are saving the planet.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 07, 2024 12:09 PM (9zwan)

105 I’m glad I saw Notre Dame in the 60s.

Posted by: Eromero at December 07, 2024 12:09 PM (jgmnb)

106 I noticed that the cross above the high alter has no corpus.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 07, 2024 12:09 PM (+H2BX)

107 91 ,@22;A.H. the sales of Bibles are reaching records in the last year in the USA. So maybe there is a spiritual revival going on somewhat unnoticed. The propaganda ministries won't report it
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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Someone suggested reading the book of Luke, one chapter a day, Dec 1 till Christmas.

Posted by: Braenyard - some absent friends are more equal than others at December 07, 2024 12:09 PM (3+8sI)

108 See: 'Camp of the Saints' (1973)

IF you can find a copy.

I have one. Curiously, Amazon does have a usable Kindle version of Camp of the Saints - but only in French.

There is a crippled version of Camp of the Saints in English on Kindle that is almost unusable - the operating assumption is that this is deliberate.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2024 12:10 PM (uxCna)

109 Hell, 2 of her children are older than her husband....icky!

Posted by: lin-duh at December 07, 2024 12:11 PM (VCgbV)

110 I hope it’s stalling but what I’ve seen in Protestant churches in the last 35 years … specifically evangelicals, is not positive. The “seeker friendly” movement has significantly weakened the church
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 07, 2024 11:50 AM (+kWhq)
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At the risk of kicking off a sectarian brawl, the problems of Protestantism were baked into the cake long ago and are reaching their inevitable conclusion. Without authority, everyone can make up their own doctrine, and that will conform to the spirit of the world, not the Holy Spirit.

Some are holding the line better than others, but there is no hard reset because they are unmoored from the Church.

Francis is demonstrating the resilience of the Church, how it can have a pope spread heresies and confusion and the faithful reject it, and become even more orthodox. He lashes out at the Latin Mass and now everyone wants it.

I honestly do not know how American Protestantism recovers. European Protestantism has completely bottomed out. There can be no recovery.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 12:11 PM (ZOv7s)

111 Signs of rats fleeing the rapidly sinking ship in Syria, flights tracked, and insiders commenting that the top tiers have already fled. Rebels nibbling on greater Damascus area, no sign of substantial coordinated government military response.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2024 12:07 PM (1m82a)

By "rebels" you mean Al Queda/Isis/Muslim Brotherhood/Whatever other name they use these days, supported by the CIA and your tax dollars.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 12:11 PM (lH8E4)

112 Trump is going to be holding summits in Europe. Hope the Hamas scum are rounding up the hostages so they can release them on Jan 20th. Maybe they can send both Biden and Carter there to greet them. Let's get Ted Koppel on to talk about it when it happens.
Posted by: Roy

Sadly, I think they killed a good number of them.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 07, 2024 12:11 PM (dR6yv)

113 I haven't followed all the reconstruction of Notre Dame but what I've seen is damn impressive. Especially the wooden support timbers in the spire section. I was surprised they could find oak trees big enough, especially in Europe, to supply the beams. I should learn more about the restoration and replacement of the stained glass windows. Trying to match the colors used in Medieval times isn't always easy.

Posted by: JTB at December 07, 2024 12:11 PM (yTvNw)

114 It's no surprise that in 1831, Notre Dame Cathedral was in disrepair. The Left (named after the side they sat in Parlement) hates Christianity and especially the Catholic Church.

France is very enigmatic. The profess Atheism and then call for a priest on their deathbed.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 07, 2024 12:12 PM (+H2BX)

115 Vampires suck!

DiscussingFilm@DiscussingFilm
PETA plans to protest a screening of ‘NOSFERATU’ due to the film depicting rats as the harbingers of death
“A human is no more likely to be harmed or killed by a rat in real life than by a vampire”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 12:12 PM (L/fGl)

116 >>>Lebanese Hezbollah now faces the ultimate catastrophe, complete loss of their Iranian logistics connection.
Posted by: rhomboid
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The Lebanese know who they are. It's time to take care of business.

Posted by: Braenyard - some absent friends are more equal than others at December 07, 2024 12:13 PM (3+8sI)

117 I find it odd that so many European leaders are childless.
Posted by: lin-duh
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I was having coffee with an older lady who mentioned that the Republicans had lost her vote when J.D. Vance made the comment about 'Cat Ladies'.

'Oh? I replied, 'Do you have a cat?'
'Yes'

Me: [silently suppressed comment about the emblematic shallowness of her judgement, not about ladies with cats as pets, but about Vance's point]

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2024 12:13 PM (XeU6L)

118 Lebanese Hezbollah now faces the ultimate catastrophe, complete loss of their Iranian logistics connection.

Greenlighting October 7th was an absolute disaster for Iran.

Hezbollah was the ultimate backup for Assad, and Iran threw Hezbollah away for nothing.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2024 12:13 PM (uxCna)

119
The chattering classes have the received wisdom that "The Camp of the Saints" is a racist screed. Whereas Raspail was pointing out the danger of the West turning its back on its heritage. Without it there is no reason to exist.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2024 12:13 PM (dxSpM)

120 Recently was watching an old segment of 'Modern Marvels, Engineering Disasters'. Watching one and another spectacular failures of relatively recent constructions was rather depressing. See: The Florida University pedestrian bridge.

By contrast, it brought to mind the Eiffel tower...built of iron, using pencil and paper.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2024 12:00 PM (XeU6L)

To cleanse your palate you can watch How Did They Build That? I watched a marathon of the series yesterday. The museum in Miami with the Planetarium and Fish Tank is amazing.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2024 12:13 PM (D6PGr)

121 See: 'Camp of the Saints' (1973)

IF you can find a copy.

Spoiler, you can:

https://t.ly/XIYus

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at December 07, 2024 12:14 PM (lUFok)

122 By contrast, it brought to mind the Eiffel tower...built of iron, using pencil and paper.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2024 12:00 PM (XeU6

It was supposed to be a temporary exhibit structure,

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2024 12:14 PM (D6PGr)

123 I find it odd that so many European leaders are childless.

Richly symbolic of the future of Western Europe.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2024 12:15 PM (uxCna)

124 A.H. the sales of Bibles are reaching records in the last year in the USA. So maybe there is a spiritual revival going on somewhat unnoticed. The propaganda ministries won't report it
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 07, 2024 12:04 PM (lshiZ)
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Yes, I saw that. It's interesting - contributions in our parish are down, but attendance is way up. Likely the liberal Boomers have quit showing up, and young families replacing them just don't have that much to donate.

The old ways are coming back, even in a liberal college parish. Young folks are receiving the Host on the tongue (I have started doing that) and young women are wearing veils. Not lots, but more than none, which used to be the case.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 12:15 PM (ZOv7s)

125 It's no surprise that in 1831, Notre Dame Cathedral was in disrepair. The Left (named after the side they sat in Parlement) hates Christianity and especially the Catholic Church.
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See: The Commune

Met rather a bad end, I recollect.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2024 12:16 PM (XeU6L)

126 “A human is no more likely to be harmed or killed by a rat in real life than by a vampire”

Ahem.

Posted by: The Black Death! at December 07, 2024 12:16 PM (uxCna)

127 A.H. the sales of Bibles are reaching records in the last year in the USA. So maybe there is a spiritual revival going on somewhat unnoticed. The propaganda ministries won't report it
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 07, 2024 12:04 PM (lshiZ)
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I bought the Bible I read now in 1974.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2024 12:17 PM (D6PGr)

128 Me: [silently suppressed comment about the emblematic shallowness of her judgement, not about ladies with cats as pets, but about Vance's point]
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2024 12:13 PM (XeU6L)

I keep waiting, but have not yet had the opportunity, to confront some shriveled up hag, with the question: You have about as much need to get an abortion as I do, what makes you think your opinion should mean anything more than mine?

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 12:18 PM (lH8E4)

129 I find it odd that so many European leaders are childless.

They don't want anyone doing to their offspring what they did to other people's kids on Epstein's island. No kids, no worries.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at December 07, 2024 12:18 PM (lUFok)

130 On this morning 83 years ago, Fuchida Mitsuo had a simple plan to signal to the first wave whether surprise had been achieved, whether dive bombers or torpedo bombers would go in first. One flare = surprise. Two = no surprise. He fires one, concluding that surprise has been achieved. But he doesn't like what he sees with the formations' response, so ..... he fires a second flare. Oops. The rest is history.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2024 12:18 PM (1m82a)

131 DiscussingFilm@DiscussingFilm
PETA plans to protest a screening of ‘NOSFERATU’ due to the film depicting rats as the harbingers of death

And people donate money for this?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 12:18 PM (muwun)

132 Good thing slow Joe isn't going to Notre Dame. Another National embarrassment avoided with the world seeing Joe in his Shamrock skivvies over his trousers.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 07, 2024 12:18 PM (gm9Sb)

133 I have to get on with my day, but to all you declinists out there, I'll just point out that in both 1529 and 1683, the odds heavily, heavily favored the Turks.

And they lost.

How did a few thousand Knights of Malta hold off the vast Turkish hordes in 1565?

What about Lepanto, and even Tours?

With God, ANYTHING is possible.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 12:19 PM (ZOv7s)

134 Thank you so much. I had read the 'Camp of the Saints' was good but could not find it.

I understand that it's great because we have to understand that we will die fighting. Those who hope the "rapture" is going to save them from suffering might have been deceived.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 07, 2024 12:19 PM (+H2BX)

135 Just in time for Christmas!

MSNBC Joyless Reid Loses Roughly Half Her Viewers Since the Election

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 12:21 PM (L/fGl)

136 Spoiler, you can:

https://t.ly/XIYus
Posted by: Blanco Basura
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Thanks. I loaned my copy, and it was never returned. Even used paperbacks are expensive.

Interesting quotes there:

"And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison, and will go forth and deceive the
nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, and will gather them together for the battle; the
number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up over the breadth of the earth and encompassed the camp of the saints, and the beloved city. —APOCALYPSE 20

My spirit turns more and more toward the West, toward the old heritage. There are, perhaps, some treasures to retrieve among its ruins … I don’t know. —LAWRENCE DURRELL

As seen from the outside, the massive upheaval in Western society is approaching the limit beyond which it will
become “meta-stable” and must collapse. —SOLZHENITSYN

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2024 12:21 PM (XeU6L)

137 >>>I honestly do not know how American Protestantism recovers. European Protestantism has completely bottomed out. There can be no recovery.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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American Protestantism is alive and well. What you are witnessing is Christians leaving the Corporate "Church" for traditional Christianity.

Posted by: Braenyard - some absent friends are more equal than others at December 07, 2024 12:22 PM (3+8sI)

138 83 years ago my parents started the war in Hawaii. My mom was hanging laundry and waving at all the planes, thinking they were ours. My eldest brother was just a toddler. He waved too. Some of the pilots waved back. My dad had just reported to his sub as the duty NCO (USS Catchelot). They would get credit for shooting down a plane.
Remember Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2024 12:22 PM (W/lyH)

139 Babylon Bee:

Sad: Man Missing After Falling Into Wife’s Tote Bag

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf - Remember Vic and VNN! at December 07, 2024 12:23 PM (VNX3d)

140 DiscussingFilm@DiscussingFilm
PETA plans to protest a screening of ‘NOSFERATU’ due to the film depicting rats as the harbingers of death
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And people donate money for this?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 12:18 PM (muwun)

The new Snow White film, there's a scene from the original, where SW assigns tasks to various animals to clean the house. I assume PETA or some variant objected, because the new movie has her ordering the dwarves to do the work.

And then Peter (don't call me dick) Dinklage objected to them using real dwarves in the film, so they CGI'd some nightmare fuel, uncanny valley freaks into the film instead.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 12:23 PM (lH8E4)

141 The Commune? LOL. Many French Kings have had to slaughter the mayors and leaders of Paris for insurrection.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 07, 2024 12:23 PM (+H2BX)

142 Will Jill or Macron burst in flames, that is the question.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2024 12:25 PM (F0j7f)

143 Will Jill or Macron burst in flames, that is the question.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2024 12:25 PM (F0j7f)

Embrace the power of "And".

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf - Remember Vic and VNN! at December 07, 2024 12:26 PM (VNX3d)

144 Outgoing DNC Chair Says Identity Politics Is Here to Stay in His Party

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Explaining that it's a lot easier to go crazy than to come back.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 12:27 PM (L/fGl)

145 35
'Mount Saint Michel was besieged for over 40 years during the Hundred Years War and never fell'

Damn, England! Were you even trying?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 07, 2024 12:27 PM (3wi/L)

146
"Finally folks, let me just end by saying this. Our Church doesn’t win anymore. We used to win. We don’t win anymore. We lose on dialogue, we lose to the modernists, we lose to the Protestants. When I win, when I become Pope, we are going to take our Church back. We’re going to make our Church great again. We’re going to make our Church reverent again. We’re going to kick the *&^% out of the modernists quickly. So quickly. We’re going to win so much. We’re going to win with conversions, we’re going to win with vocations, we’re going to win with the Mass. We’re going to repeal the Novus Ordo and we’re going to replace it with something so much better. We’re going to win at the altar. We’re going to seal up the sanctuary with a nice big beautiful rail. We’re going to win so much. Win after win after win. We’re going to win so much that you’re going to be begging me, please Holy Father let us lose once or twice, we can’t stand it anymore. And I’m going to say no way! We’re going to keep winning! We’re never going to lose! We’re never ever going to lose! Register and vote! I love you all! Thank you!"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2024 12:28 PM (dxSpM)

147 DiscussingFilm@DiscussingFilm
PETA plans to protest a screening of ‘NOSFERATU’ due to the film depicting rats as the harbingers of death
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Ben was a cold blooded killer !

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2024 12:28 PM (D6PGr)

148 I went to Notre Dame a little over 20 years ago. I went inside, climbed up all those stairs to be eye to eye with some of those gargoyles (and as close to Le Stryge as I could lol), came back the next day and sat in in the little square in front of the Cathedral for a long while looking at it.

I'm a Jew, and while I have some ambivalence to the sheer cost of these things (when I went to the Vatican I thought of all the riches it took to build St. Peters and how it forces down upon visitors the power and opulence of the Church), the sheer human ingenuity, craftsmanship, artisanship, and artistic ability shown in these is awe inspiring to me, and truly humbling. While the sheer artistic force found in St. Peters is dizzying, Notre Dame especially stands out; it is like no other to me. I'm not sure why (maybe because it's so "goth" lol). I was so saddened when ~~they~~ it was nearly destroyed, and so glad they chose to restore it.

I don't plan to visit France again, but if I do, seeing it again will be one of the main reasons. I hope DJT appreciates it as well, and sees it as a positive symbol of the West that needs to be protected.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at December 07, 2024 12:29 PM (lg881)

149 Who needs rats as disease vectors when you have PETA?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2024 12:29 PM (F0j7f)

150 Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at December 07, 2024 12:29 PM (lg881)

I’m sure Solomon’s Temple was as awe inspiring.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2024 12:30 PM (D6PGr)

151 "'Mount Saint Michel was besieged for over 40 years during the Hundred Years War and never fell'

Damn, England! Were you even trying?"

Damn those tides! - The Engilsh

Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 07, 2024 12:30 PM (+H2BX)

152 I've been following Franklin Graham on his tour through Asia. He had several events in VietNam and thousands showed up to hear him preach. Amazing!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2024 12:31 PM (W/lyH)

153
Too much going on. Assad set to speak and collapse in a couple of hours, Zelinsky packing his bags, Euro socialists bending the knee to President Trump...

When is our MSM going to get a narrative to report from the deep state?

Posted by: Auspex at December 07, 2024 12:31 PM (j4U/Z)

154 Ben was a cold blooded killer !
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2024 12:28 PM (D6PGr)

He was always running here and there.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2024 12:33 PM (W/lyH)

155 Who needs rats as disease vectors when you have PETA?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2024 12:29 PM (F0j7f)

NIH called and said "hold my fermented viruses."

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 12:33 PM (lH8E4)

156 Too much going on. Assad set to speak and collapse in a couple of hours, Zelinsky packing his bags, Euro socialists bending the knee to President Trump...

When is our MSM going to get a narrative to report from the deep state?
Posted by: Auspex at December 07, 2024 12:31 PM (j4U/Z)

We should offer Zelenskyy protection in the witless protection program for information leading to the arrest and conviction of US traitors he bribed using taxpayer money.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf - Remember Vic and VNN! at December 07, 2024 12:33 PM (VNX3d)

157 His party will give him a time out and make him sit in the corner.

John Fetterman: DA Bragg’s Case Against Trump Was Politically Motivated - Calls for Pardon

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 12:35 PM (L/fGl)

158 Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd — Like you, I’m not interested in a Catholic-Protestant debate; I respect both sides. Being an evangelical I witness first hand a lot of the nonsense. And yet I can’t help but see essentially the same rot in the Catholic churches…. My Catholic friends tell me the same thing. It’s at the highest level; the current pope is an apostate who cares more for leftism than true religion. Not good…. I wish I saw a healthier church all around but I don’t. There are pockets but that’s it

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 07, 2024 12:36 PM (ANuwa)

159 76
'One of my biggest pet peeves are the rude foreigners at our National Parks. And yeah, it's not just the Chinese.'

Tell them in American parks you're a allowed to pet the bison and feed the bears.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 07, 2024 12:36 PM (3wi/L)

160 152 A long time ago a fellow Marine received some recordings of Billy Graham Crusades from his parents. 1970, cassette, maybe bootleg. Picture this, a dozen or so Jarheads sitting around, and one guy starts playing this stuff. Silence in the hooch, we were all suddenly listening.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 07, 2024 12:37 PM (gm9Sb)

161 Congratulations to the French on the restoration of a monumental work of art. I would love to visit Notre Dame.

Also the US should have built something similar to replace the Twin Towers.

Morning Everyone

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 12:37 PM (PcTds)

162 One of my biggest pet peeves are the rude foreigners at our National Parks. And yeah, it's not just the Chinese.'

Tell them in American parks you're a allowed to pet the bison and feed the bears.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 07, 2024 12:36 PM (3wi/L)

Italian again???

Posted by: Mrs Bear at December 07, 2024 12:39 PM (W/lyH)

163 I've been following Franklin Graham on his tour through Asia. He had several events in VietNam and thousands showed up to hear him preach. Amazing!
Posted by: Diogenes
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After the storm, Samaritan's Purse was in high gear here coordinating and delivering tons of food, water, and supplies, while the Feds were just holding meetings in D.C.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2024 12:39 PM (XeU6L)

164 162 In American parks, CCW is permitted. Think about that, Charlie Chan.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 07, 2024 12:41 PM (gm9Sb)

165 Zip-a-dee-doo-da!

The Bible:

Chapter 1: The Old Testament
Chapter 2: The New Testament
Chapter 3: The Koran
Chapter 4: The Book of Mormon
Chapter 5: ?

This could be a Hollywood Blockbuster! Somebody get in touch with Tom Hanks, Stat!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 07, 2024 12:41 PM (9zwan)

166 Say what you will about Satan, he’s scoring points too.

Actress Annette Bening Pushes Sex Changes for Minors Outside SCOTUS: Having a “Trans Child” Made Me “So Much More Wise”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 12:42 PM (L/fGl)

167 I think we should start a citizen permanent exchange program for those that would exchange except prevented because of financial /job considerations.

US citizens who hate America and think any other country is better can be exchanged for a citizen that wants to become an American because they believe it to be the best country in the world.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2024 12:42 PM (D6PGr)

168 We’re going to win with conversions, we’re going to win with vocations, we’re going to win with the Mass. We’re going to repeal the Novus Ordo and we’re going to replace it with something so much better. We’re going to win at the altar. We’re going to seal up the sanctuary with a nice big beautiful rail

LOL Hadrian!

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 12:45 PM (PcTds)

169 “Cheers” Star Ted Danson Refuses to Stop Working at 76, Cashes in on Retirement Comedy

I thought Man On the Inside was pretty good.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 12:46 PM (L/fGl)

170 Actress Annette Bening Pushes Sex Changes for Minors Outside SCOTUS: Having a “Trans Child” Made Me “So Much More Wise”

Ms Bening what would you do if your child was anorexic? Embrace her desire to lose more weight?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2024 12:46 PM (D6PGr)

171 137
'I honestly do not know how American Protestantism recovers. European Protestantism has completely bottomed out. There can be no recovery.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd'

It's a little early for a victory parade with Pope Francis as your standard bearer. His ilk make the RC church look terrible.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 07, 2024 12:47 PM (3wi/L)

172 >>>Actress Annette Bening Pushes Sex Changes for Minors Outside SCOTUS: Having a “Trans Child” Made Me “So Much More Wise”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,
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Movie, American Beauty, Annette Bening plays a shrew. Type casting.

Posted by: Braenyard - some absent friends are more equal than others at December 07, 2024 12:47 PM (3+8sI)

173 Related to the Notre Dame fire, some crazed guy shot two little kids at a Seventh Day Adventist grade school in California. His reason? Palestinian kids dying in Gaza. Because somehow that's related.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 12:48 PM (RsS92)

174 Uh oh.

Chris Cuomo: Trump Is Going To “Beat You To Death With The Bat You Just Handed” Him

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 12:49 PM (L/fGl)

175 It would be hard to convince me the fire wasn't arson. Yes I know construction is dangerous and it does cause fires all over and a lot.

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2024 12:50 PM (NvZqN)

176 A long time ago a fellow Marine received some recordings of Billy Graham Crusades from his parents. 1970, cassette, maybe bootleg. Picture this, a dozen or so Jarheads sitting around, and one guy starts playing this stuff. Silence in the hooch, we were all suddenly listening.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 07, 2024 12:37 PM (gm9Sb)
***

Six troops standing around one of those big wooden round things that they roll cable up on. Sipping coffee and talking. It's a Sunday morning somewhere in northern Saudi Arabia, just south of the border where Iraq and Kuwait meet. The Chaplin walks up and passes out some small hymnal books. He says "Page 12. Start singing!".
So we did.
Soon more come along and join in.
Best Service ever!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2024 12:51 PM (W/lyH)

177 I honestly do not know how American Protestantism recovers

Meh, the big denominations are a mess, but the church overall is fine. For every ludicrous heretical hard left church there's a Biblically faithful gospel-centered church. For every big show entertainment prosperity gospel megachurch, there's a small loving and Christ-loving church.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 12:52 PM (RsS92)

178 I’m sure Solomon’s Temple was as awe inspiring.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2024 12:30 PM (D6PGr)

I'm sure it was very impressive, I doubt though it was close to the Vatican in that respect. I've visited it as well, and would have liked to check out Al Aqsa but of course, you know...

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at December 07, 2024 12:52 PM (lg881)

179 174
'Chris Cuomo: Trump Is Going To “Beat You To Death With The Bat You Just Handed” Him'

Who does Cuomo think is getting the beat down?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 07, 2024 12:53 PM (3wi/L)

180 Chris Cuomo: Trump Is Going To “Beat You To Death With The Bat You Just Handed” Him
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 07, 2024 12:49 PM (L/fGl)

Trump gonna call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' Ns who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 07, 2024 12:53 PM (D6PGr)

181 It would be hard to convince me the fire wasn't arson.

It would be easier to buy if dozens of churches across France had not also been burned down by Muslims that year.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 12:53 PM (RsS92)

182
Someone suggested reading the book of Luke, one chapter a day, Dec 1 till Christmas.
Posted by: Braenyard - some absent friends are more equal than others at December 07, 2024 12:09 PM (3+8sI)

Doof featured that on one of his ONTs. I started it on the December 2, and it is wonderful to read this Gospel prior to celebrating Christ's birth. I'm just sad it took me so long to do it. Luke's access to Mary and the disciples, plus his medical background provides a different perspective than the accounts of Matthew and John, who were primary sources of their respective gospels. (Mark, who I believe was John Mark, cousin of Barnabus, received much of his information from Peter, according to Dr.Charles Ryrie.)
I highly recommend doing this, even seven days in.

Posted by: Moki at December 07, 2024 12:54 PM (wLjpr)

183 Say what you will about Satan, he’s scoring points too.

Be that as it may, he will lose... because Christ is King 🙂

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 12:54 PM (PcTds)

184
Meh, the big denominations are a mess, but the church overall is fine. For every ludicrous heretical hard left church there's a Biblically faithful gospel-centered church. For every big show entertainment prosperity gospel megachurch, there's a small loving and Christ-loving church.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 12:52 PM (RsS92)

AMEN!!!!

Posted by: Moki at December 07, 2024 12:55 PM (wLjpr)

185 I highly recommend doing this, even seven days in.
Posted by: Moki at December 07, 2024 12:54 PM (wLjpr)

Ditto!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2024 12:57 PM (W/lyH)

186 Actress Annette Bening Pushes Sex Changes for Minors Outside SCOTUS: Having a “Trans Child” Made Me “So Much More Wise”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

So surgically mutilating your kid and destroying his or her chances for future happiness is important to your own personal journey, Annette. Do I have that right?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 07, 2024 12:58 PM (muwun)

187
Chris Cuomo: Trump Is Going To “Beat You To Death With The Bat You Just Handed” Him

Well. We can hope.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 12:59 PM (PcTds)

188 So surgically mutilating your kid and destroying his or her chances for future happiness is important to your own personal journey, Annette.

Ultimately yeah. Notice the entire focus is on her and how it benefitted her. Mind you almost all actors are narcissists, so that's not shocking but nothing about her argument is how great it was for the child.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 01:00 PM (RsS92)

189 Movie, American Beauty, Annette Bening plays a shrew. Type casting.
Posted by: Braenyard - some absent friends are more equal than others at December 07, 2024 12:47 PM (3+8sI)

Grifters: She f**ks her fatass landlord to get out of paying rent. Possibly the most disgusting sex scene in a movie since the John Waters film, Pink Flamingos, where the characters use a live chicken as a sex aid.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 01:00 PM (lH8E4)

190 Zelensky is not wearing a suit at Notre Dame Cathedral.

Posted by: grammie's iPad at December 07, 2024 01:02 PM (SfhV1)

191 He says "Page 12. Start singing!".
So we did.
Soon more come along and join in.
Best Service ever!

Great story, thanks for sharing!

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 01:02 PM (PcTds)

192 For every big show entertainment prosperity gospel megachurch, there's a small loving and Christ-loving church.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 12:52 PM (RsS92)

Correct Sir! If you don't wanna be a permanent resident of camp go-to-hell, come on out this Sunday mornin for a double dose of the God's honest truth at the Sword of Joshua Independent Full Gospel Pentecostal Assembly...just off the State Road 23, on the frontage road! This here's Reverend Billy Ray Collins remindin y'uns it's time to turn...So you don't burn!

Posted by: Rev. Billy Ray Collins, The Sword Of Joshua Independent Full Gospel Pentecostal Assembly at December 07, 2024 01:03 PM (R/m4+)

193 I never liked Edith Piaf. But I like this tune and that gal has the perfect voice for it.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 07, 2024 12:06 PM (+H2BX)

I don't mind Edith Piaf. Never heard her stuff often enough to get tired of it. And she was before autotune. I'd sooner listen to Billie Holliday than Edith, but Edith is just fine, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2024 01:05 PM (J5xbZ)

194 I was fortunate enough to visit Notre Dame before the fire. Truly a beautiful cathedral. I was relieved to hear that the fire did not destroy the huge stained glass windows on either side of the cathedral.

Last year I also made another trip to France and visited Mont St Michel, another spectacular cathedral. Be forewarned, there are a LOT of steps.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2024 01:05 PM (0XVad)

195 The Chaplin walks up and passes out some small hymnal books. He says "Page 12. Start singing!".

I miss the Army Chaplins. Those dudes rocked. Dad tried to volunteer in '68 for the Chaplin Corps, but was 4F for flat feet and turned down.

Posted by: BifBewalski at December 07, 2024 01:06 PM (MsrgL)

196 Zelensky is not wearing a suit at Notre Dame Cathedral.

Don't know why he is there. He shut down churches in his country. The lack of respect doesn't surprise me tho, coming from him.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 01:06 PM (PcTds)

197 192
'Reverend Billy Ray Collins'

Still less embarrassing than Francis.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 07, 2024 01:07 PM (3wi/L)

198 Zelensky is not a Christian, you know.

For being a fan of Westerdom, he really doesn't respect it

Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 07, 2024 01:07 PM (+H2BX)

199 Also in the news, the disgusting "hawk tuah" girl is in severe legal trouble and likely going to jail. She created a crypto coin that lots of people bought into and it ended up a scam. Basically she promoted her coin, became worth tens of millions, then she sold all her coin and crashed the value.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 01:07 PM (RsS92)

200 Anti-Pope Francis should be kicked to the curb like the fucking communist bitch that he is.

A man of God does not sow unity using shame without addressing the global cultural needs of distinct local tribes.

Amateur hour is over when you're 50 years old, Papa!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 07, 2024 01:08 PM (9zwan)

201 Correct Sir! If you don't wanna be a permanent resident of camp go-to-hell, come on out this Sunday mornin for a double dose of the God's honest truth at the Sword of Joshua Independent Full Gospel Pentecostal Assembly...just off the State Road 23, on the frontage road! This here's Reverend Billy Ray Collins remindin y'uns it's time to turn...So you don't burn!
Posted by: Rev. Billy Ray Collins, The Sword Of Joshua Independent Full Gospel Pentecostal Assembly at December 07, 2024 01:03 PM (R/m4+)

Ah the John Boy and Billy morning show. I do miss it greatly.

Posted by: I'm so old I remember radio at December 07, 2024 01:09 PM (olf63)

202 189
'Pink Flamingos, where the characters use a live chicken as a sex aid.'

I was going to say that isn't even the most disgusting scene from Pink Flamingos but you specified 'sex scene'.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 07, 2024 01:09 PM (3wi/L)

203 Anti-Pope Francis should be kicked to the curb like the fucking communist bitch that he is.

He seems to not be long for this world, so he'll get replaced by a transexual black dude or something soon enough.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 01:10 PM (RsS92)

204 I was fortunate enough to visit Notre Dame before the fire. Truly a beautiful cathedral. I was relieved to hear that the fire did not destroy the huge stained glass windows on either side of the cathedral.

Last year I also made another trip to France and visited Mont St Michel, another spectacular cathedral. Be forewarned, there are a LOT of steps.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude

Mont St Michel is one I missed in my NATO travels. Would like to see it one day. Have you see Salsbury Cathedral in the U.K.? Read one the four remaining copies of the Magna Carter while you're there.

Posted by: BifBewalski at December 07, 2024 01:10 PM (MsrgL)

205
83 years ago my parents started the war in Hawaii.

So, you're the ones responsible!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2024 01:11 PM (63Dwl)

206 Zelensky is not wearing a suit at Notre Dame Cathedral.
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Don't know why he is there. He shut down churches in his country. The lack of respect doesn't surprise me tho, coming from him.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 01:06 PM (PcTds)

He's there because most of the rest of those "world leaders" aren't, and even the building itself, isn't really Christian.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 01:12 PM (lH8E4)

207 Ah the John Boy and Billy morning show. I do miss it greatly.
Posted by: I'm so old I remember radio
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No one talks about me anymore...

Posted by: The Reverand Ike at December 07, 2024 01:12 PM (XeU6L)

208
Also in the news, the disgusting "hawk tuah" girl is in severe legal trouble and likely going to jail. She created a crypto coin that lots of people bought into and it ended up a scam. Basically she promoted her coin, became worth tens of millions, then she sold all her coin and crashed the value.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Isn't that the way crypto is supposed to work?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2024 01:13 PM (63Dwl)

209 'Pink Flamingos, where the characters use a live chicken as a sex aid.'
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I was going to say that isn't even the most disgusting scene from Pink Flamingos but you specified 'sex scene'.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 07, 2024 01:09 PM (3wi/L)

Yup. Says a lot, when you have to specify it's the most disgusting SEX scene, but not the most disgusting scene.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 01:13 PM (lH8E4)

210 Annette have fun in Hell pushing Cultural Marxism

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2024 01:13 PM (NvZqN)

211 199 Also in the news, the disgusting "hawk tuah" girl is in severe legal trouble and likely going to jail. She created a crypto coin that lots of people bought into and it ended up a scam. Basically she promoted her coin, became worth tens of millions, then she sold all her coin and crashed the value.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 01:07 PM (RsS92)

It's a securities fraud scheme as old as the hills. The old pump and dump.

Posted by: It was for stocks before it was for 304s at December 07, 2024 01:14 PM (olf63)

212 I vaguely remember in the 80s that there were all these spectacular, disturbing glam televangelists on like Swaggart and Copeland, and then there was this one old guy who just sat with a guitar and talked about Jesus and never asked for money. I can't remember his name but he was really different.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 01:14 PM (RsS92)

213
Citing “a new generation of historians,” Contreras declares that “Thanksgiving in the United States is based on a mythical feast between the Wampanoag people and Mayflower Pilgrims” and that “the holiday’s real story is mixed with national unity and racial exclusion.”

According to Contreras, the Native Americans weren’t actually invited to the famous 1621 meal but “showed up” out of “concern over gunshots.” . . .

For "a new generation of historians", read "an anhistoric, ignorant and supremely confident in their ignorance generation of historians"

For "concern over gunshots", read "concern over gunshots and a burning desire to acquire 'thundersticks' for their own use".

Note well that the Wampanoag people were demonstrably more aware than present day Chicagoans, particularly Chicago's politicians, on the question of 'Who fired that?'

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 07, 2024 01:16 PM (xG4kz)

214 204 Have you see Salsbury Cathedral in the U.K.? Read one the four remaining copies of the Magna Carter while you're there.

Posted by: BifBewalski at December 07, 2024 01:10 PM

I have only been to London and visted Westminister Abbey twice.

Planning on visiting England again in the next couple of years. Things I would like to see is Stonehenge, Cliffs of Dover and other places. Will mark down Salisbury Cathedral as a place of interest.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2024 01:16 PM (0XVad)

215 Also in the news, the disgusting "hawk tuah" girl is in severe legal trouble and likely going to jail. She created a crypto coin that lots of people bought into and it ended up a scam. Basically she promoted her coin, became worth tens of millions, then she sold all her coin and crashed the value.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Isn't that the way crypto is supposed to work?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2024 01:13 PM (63Dwl)

Isn't that the way the entire banking and financing industry works?

That being said, if she needs to, she can come sit on my lap and cry on my shoulder and wipe her nose on my sleeve.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 01:16 PM (lH8E4)

216 211
'It's a securities fraud scheme as old as the hills. The old pump and dump.'

It seems Bitcoin is very susceptible to bubbles and collapses. Do you think Bitcoin may accidentally demonstrate the need for a federal reserve?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 07, 2024 01:16 PM (3wi/L)

217
Religious debates between Catholics, Protestants and Jews in my circle of friends and family have always been good natured, the mocking is joking, with the understanding of love beneath the divergence of orthodoxy is real.

Except for Mormons.

Posted by: Auspex at December 07, 2024 01:16 PM (j4U/Z)

218 Meh, the big denominations are a mess, but the church overall is fine. For every ludicrous heretical hard left church there's a Biblically faithful gospel-centered church. For every big show entertainment prosperity gospel megachurch, there's a small loving and Christ-loving church.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 12:52 PM (RsS92)

Don’t go whistling past the graveyard. It is the entertainment false churches that get the numbers. The good churches are, as you point out, in the main small…. I’d hazard a guess that only maybe 10% of folks in the US attend a genuine church. That is not a good situation

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 07, 2024 01:17 PM (O1oUp)

219 188 So surgically mutilating your kid and destroying his or her chances for future happiness is important to your own personal journey, Annette.

Ultimately yeah. Notice the entire focus is on her and how it benefitted her. Mind you almost all actors are narcissists, so that's not shocking but nothing about her argument is how great it was for the child.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 01:00 PM (RsS92)

Seems that most high profile mothers who get their kids mutilated are doing it for likes on Instagram and approval from their friend group, and for secondary fame (like the woman that pimps out that poor kid Desmond is Amazing). Like getting a brand new Hermes bag to show off or whatever the fuck these degenerate demonic harpies are into these days.

Posted by: It's not about the kid. The kid's just a means to an end. at December 07, 2024 01:17 PM (olf63)

220 Also in the news, the disgusting "hawk tuah" girl is in severe legal trouble and likely going to jail. She created a crypto coin that lots of people bought into and it ended up a scam. Basically she promoted her coin, became worth tens of millions, then she sold all her coin and crashed the value.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 01:07 PM (RsS92)

She deserves a medal for separating fools from their money before they could do something dangerous with it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2024 01:18 PM (J5xbZ)

221 It seems Bitcoin is very susceptible to bubbles and collapses. Do you think Bitcoin may accidentally demonstrate the need for a federal reserve?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 07, 2024 01:16 PM (3wi/L)

I fully expect the globalists to get there way, one way or another, and eventually take over and/or destroy the digital currency scheme.

Stuffing bills in your mattress is probably safer than digital currency.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 01:20 PM (lH8E4)

222 Don’t go whistling past the graveyard. It is the entertainment false churches that get the numbers.

The mistake here is assuming that past Christian cultural dominance was made up of Christians. Most of these full churches were made up of people who went to church because that was what one did on Sunday, and its good for the kids, not out of faith and love of Jesus or the Bible.

Cleansing the church of atheist cultural Christians is a good thing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 07, 2024 01:20 PM (RsS92)

223 Has anything filled you with wonder this year?
A week late, but sorta.

🎶 🎹 amateur hour again

Complexities
Wondering about the sense of wonder

Link in nic. Should play from 0:30 to 2:56 in the vid.
A cut from Mindful Webworkshop #2, 2016 Aug 19

🌅

Posted by: mindful webworker - wonderful wondering at December 07, 2024 01:21 PM (VNfr8)

224 Actress Annette Bening Pushes Sex Changes for Minors Outside SCOTUS: Having a “Trans Child” Made Me “So Much More Wise”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Everyone should have a trans child!!

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at December 07, 2024 01:22 PM (lg881)

225 193 I never liked Edith Piaf. But I like this tune and that gal has the perfect voice for it.

It is a pretty tune, very French melody.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 01:24 PM (PcTds)

226 Soon to be willowed, but an excellent discussion of medieval thought is included in the current Pints With Aquinas. The guest is Ed Feser.

https://tinyurl.com/4sudepkf

Posted by: Eeyore at December 07, 2024 01:25 PM (1bNHn)

227 “ Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.”

1 Corinthians 3:16-17

Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2024 01:26 PM (MTzAs)

228 'responds to flattery' ?

rubbish

These EU civil servants have never done hard bargaining in their lives and imagine everyone else is a court whore like they are, climbing the greasy pole.

Posted by: pakisa at December 07, 2024 01:27 PM (k27g/)

229
Jamie Lee Curtis' trans accessory spawn is also celebrated.

No. "It's" not.

Annette and Jamie are more focused on everybody celebrating them.

Posted by: Auspex at December 07, 2024 01:27 PM (j4U/Z)

230 Significant year-on-year gains in adult conversions and teen baptisms in France. Still only in the low five figures, but it's something.

US decline seems to be stalling, and vocations have seen significant increases, the highest in a generation. The number of seminarians in our diocese is almost triple what it was ten years ago.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2024 11:27 AM (ZOv7s)
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It would seem that those parishes and dioceses that respect tradition, and are reverent to God's word, not those of modern man, are doing much better than more modernist iterations. Francis is Pope, but is not paid a great deal of attention to by the most reverent churches based on my purely anecdotal experience. His picture is up in the entrance to the church, and that seems to be about it. JP II and even Benedict are much more prominent.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 07, 2024 01:27 PM (uLt48)

231 'Pink Flamingos, where the characters use a live chicken as a sex aid.'

Ah, dear Grandpa, we will never forget him. And that kids, is how our misfortune started.

Posted by: The Chicken at December 07, 2024 01:28 PM (lg881)

232 Everyone should have a trans child!!
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at December 07, 2024 01:22 PM (lg881)

YOU get a trans kid, and YOU get a trans kid, and YOU get a trans kid! Everybody gets a trans kid!!!

Posted by: Oprah at December 07, 2024 01:28 PM (olf63)

233 Grifters: She f**ks her fatass landlord to get out of paying rent. Possibly the most disgusting sex scene in a movie since the John Waters film, Pink Flamingos, where the characters use a live chicken as a sex aid.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 01:00 PM (lH8E4)

Huh. Point of order: That's not grifting. Grifting would be convincing your roommate to f*ck the fatass landlord to cover the rent. That scene just describes good old fashioned whoring.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 07, 2024 01:29 PM (y/ZMQ)

234 Mont St Michel is one I missed in my NATO travels. Would like to see it one day. Have you see Salsbury Cathedral in the U.K.? Read one the four remaining copies of the Magna Carter while you're there.

My whole purpose for crossing the pond, were I to do so, would be to visit various cathedrals.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 01:30 PM (PcTds)

235 225 193 I never liked Edith Piaf. But I like this tune and that gal has the perfect voice for it.

It is a pretty tune, very French melody.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 01:24 PM (PcTds
She sure does.

Posted by: Eromero at December 07, 2024 01:30 PM (jgmnb)

236 He's there because most of the rest of those "world leaders" aren't, and even the building itself, isn't really Christian.

Why do you say, the building itself isn't Christian?

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 01:31 PM (PcTds)

237 Have you see Salsbury Cathedral in the U.K.? Read one the four remaining copies of the Magna Carter while you're there.

Posted by: BifBewalski
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Yup, been there. Attended an Evensong service.

Recommended read: 'Sarum'.

Interesting book. Goodreads review
t.ly/D_Pi6

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2024 01:31 PM (XeU6L)

238 227 “ Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.”

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2024 01:26 PM (MTzAs)

One does not have to be even remotely religious to recognize that cutting up kids' genitals and pumping them full of opposite sex hormones is utterly fucked up.

Posted by: I don't like to feed the "only religious people" argument at December 07, 2024 01:31 PM (olf63)

239 Don’t go whistling past the graveyard. It is the entertainment false churches that get the numbers. The good churches are, as you point out, in the main small…. I’d hazard a guess that only maybe 10% of folks in the US attend a genuine church. That is not a good situation
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 07, 2024 01:17 PM (O1oUp)
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It's difficult to figure out exactly who cares and who doesn't. There is always the joke of the E & C crowd. But perhaps there is value in just having a church being seen as something worth doing, regardless of how devout you may actually be. It provides some guardrails and protection against the absolute silliness of the secular contingent in our midst.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 07, 2024 01:31 PM (uLt48)

240 I visited France a half dozen times. My primary regret is that I never went to Mont St. Michel

Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2024 01:31 PM (dCxaZ)

241 Why do you say, the building itself isn't Christian?
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 01:31 PM (PcTds)

It doesn't believe in Building Jesus.

You know. That old carpenter's woodshop that got torn down and all the lumber reclaimed to save other buildings, but then it popped back up again three days later.

Sure, it'll say it thinks that Building Jesus was a very fine workshop in its own way, but it doesn't believe that any of that other stuff really happened.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 07, 2024 01:34 PM (y/ZMQ)

242 Huh. Point of order: That's not grifting. Grifting would be convincing your roommate to f*ck the fatass landlord to cover the rent. That scene just describes good old fashioned whoring.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 07, 2024 01:29 PM (y/ZMQ)

True grifting would be to convince your roommate to give you her share of the rent, and then fuck the landlord for the whole amount.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2024 01:34 PM (J5xbZ)

243 I hope I get to see Notre Dame in all its restored glory. I doubt it, though unless someone picks me up in a limo and chauffeurs me to their private jet and the next thing you know we touch down in Paris.

So that's never going to happen...and back to the real world.

It's almost criminal to bring this up while celebrating the return of this iconic building to the world...
but during the Terror the revolutionaries commandeered the cathedral, and had sex with prostitutes on the main altar, which they dubbed: The Altar of Reason.

Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2024 01:34 PM (dCxaZ)

244 Do you think Bitcoin may accidentally demonstrate the need for a federal reserve?

No. I see no need for a federal reserve.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 01:34 PM (PcTds)

245 GARDEN NOOD IS BLOOMING

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2024 01:34 PM (fwDg9)

246 Grifters: She f**ks her fatass landlord to get out of paying rent. Possibly the most disgusting sex scene in a movie since the John Waters film, Pink Flamingos, where the characters use a live chicken as a sex aid.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 01:00 PM (lH8E4)

Huh. Point of order: That's not grifting. Grifting would be convincing your roommate to f*ck the fatass landlord to cover the rent. That scene just describes good old fashioned whoring.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 07, 2024 01:29 PM (y/ZMQ)

If you've not seen the film, they are definitely grifters. That scene was just to get you clued in on who she was, underneath it all. I don't think anyone in that film is worth rooting for, which is sorta the point.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 01:35 PM (lH8E4)

247 True grifting would be to convince your roommate to give you her share of the rent, and then fuck the landlord for the whole amount.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2024 01:34 PM (J5xbZ)

First film I've ever seen where a bag of oranges becomes a weapon.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 01:37 PM (lH8E4)

248 Sure, it'll say it thinks that Building Jesus was a very fine workshop in its own way, but it doesn't believe that any of that other stuff really happened.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 07, 2024 01:34 PM (y/ZMQ)

😉

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 01:37 PM (PcTds)

249 Come over baby whole lot of bakin' goin' on!

Forgive me Jerry Lee. The devil made me do it!

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at December 07, 2024 01:39 PM (4XwPj)

250 Our church's numbers are growing, there are more introductions of latin, chanting, and adoration. We also have a contemporary Christian music mass, that others appreciate. There are things going on every night it seems. All very based on Christ. I look at the RCC in America much like the red/blue state divide.

If you have a church that believes in God and scripture and acts on it, people will come. If you are essentially a modernistic philosophy society, not so much. This is where the mainline US protestant churches failed. But even within that failure some signs of hope are there.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 07, 2024 01:40 PM (uLt48)

251 That's a big deal, because it is a symbolic acknowledgment that in the eyes of the world, including Europe, Donald Trump is already the president who matters. Joe Biden is PINO (President in Name Only). I like that neologism.

Honestly, I don't even think it's that deep. Macron is still traumatized from smelling teh Bidet's poopy diaper the last time he was there. Also, him nodding off in the middle of a ceremony or needing to be corralled from wandering off the Left Bank into the river is not really good optics on such a momentous occasion.

Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2024 01:41 PM (dCxaZ)

252 but during the Terror the revolutionaries commandeered the cathedral, and had sex with prostitutes on the main altar, which they dubbed: The Altar of Reason.

Desecration. All buildings that exist for any length of time will experience sin. So, cleansing and rededication is a thing.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 07, 2024 01:44 PM (PcTds)

253 Why would Dinklage object to using dwarves in Snow White? It is literally the Seven Dwarves. Not to mention there arent a heck of a lot of roles for dwarf actors

Posted by: azjaeger at December 07, 2024 01:45 PM (3/XaG)

254 Posted by: Black JEM at December 07, 2024 01:40 PM (uLt4

2024 saw record numbers of converts being received into the Church, even in France, which seemed a lost cause.

A revival is happening, coincidental to the 3 year Eucharistic mission?

Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2024 01:45 PM (dCxaZ)

255 It's almost criminal to bring this up while celebrating the return of this iconic building to the world...
but during the Terror the revolutionaries commandeered the cathedral, and had sex with prostitutes on the main altar, which they dubbed: The Altar of Reason.
Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2024 01:34 PM (dCxaZ)
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One of the primary differences in the French and American revolutions was the attitude towards God. The French mocked Him. The Americans embraced Him.

Funny how that all kind of worked out in the end isn't it.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 07, 2024 01:48 PM (uLt48)

256 tried to volunteer in '68 for the Chaplin Corps
Couldn't get the bowler hat and umbrella drill down?

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at December 07, 2024 01:49 PM (zdLoL)

257 Why would Dinklage object to using dwarves in Snow White? It is literally the Seven Dwarves. Not to mention there arent a heck of a lot of roles for dwarf actors
Posted by: azjaeger at December 07, 2024 01:45 PM (3/XaG)

Dinky Dick Dinklage is a multi-millionaire, and like many who have had the great good fortune to succeed at something that doesn't require a great deal of effort, he wants to pull the ladder up behind him.

For years he was the dwarf of choice, and I'm sure he's still short-tempered about being typecast. But now he speaks for all dwarf actors, and thinks it's beneath them, to be as low as to take roles that call for someone to play a dwarf.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 01:51 PM (lH8E4)

258 At the risk of kicking off a sectarian brawl

What a horse's ass.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at December 07, 2024 01:53 PM (zdLoL)

259 tried to volunteer in '68 for the Chaplin Corps
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Couldn't get the bowler hat and umbrella drill down?
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at December 07, 2024 01:49 PM (zdLoL)

There's the old, probably apocryphal story of Chaplain entering a Charlie Chaplain look-alike contest, and coming in third place.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2024 01:53 PM (lH8E4)

260 253 Why would Dinklage object to using dwarves in Snow White? It is literally the Seven Dwarves. Not to mention there arent a heck of a lot of roles for dwarf actors
Posted by: azjaeger at December 07, 2024 01:45 PM (3/XaG)

Me Monkey. Virtue signaling. He is already established, but he managed to vaporize the roles for any other dwarf actors.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 07, 2024 01:54 PM (bss/y)

261
That little piece of shit zelensky is there, front pew, dressed in his COSTUME.

You know, his costume that let's people know he's in combat.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 07, 2024 02:01 PM (+AT4V)

262 That little piece of shit zelensky is there, front pew, dressed in his COSTUME.

You know, his costume that let's people know he's in combat.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 07, 2024 02:01 PM (+AT4V)

Can we hope that the bloodied ghosts of a handful of Crusaders yank him out of the cathedral?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf - Remember Vic and VNN! at December 07, 2024 02:12 PM (VNX3d)

263 Your path to God is the truth. Everything else is prosperity thru deception.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 07, 2024 02:34 PM (9zwan)

264 Many did come back
PET NOOD

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2024 03:34 PM (fwDg9)

265 165 Zip-a-dee-doo-da!

The Bible:

Chapter 1: The Old Testament
Chapter 2: The New Testament
Chapter 3: The Koran
Chapter 4: The Book of Mormon
Chapter 5: ?

This could be a Hollywood Blockbuster! Somebody get in touch with Tom Hanks, Stat!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 07, 2024 12:41 PM (9zwan

What's the base test of the. Christian Scientists?

Posted by: Fox2! at December 07, 2024 04:09 PM (/oh88)

266 Thanks for the post and back-story on Notre Dame. It looks absolutely beautiful - so glad they were able to restore it. I hope to see it in person someday.

Posted by: The Pilot at December 07, 2024 09:48 PM (M+4Y9)

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