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Gardening, Puttering and Adventure Thread, Oct. 19

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Happy Autumn, everyone! We have a special treat today:

Kibbutz Ein Gedi is situated above the shores of the Dead Sea in Israel. About 60 years ago, the kibbutz began planting its botanical garden, which essentially covers the kibbutz’s open areas. From Wikipedia:

The kibbutz operates a 100 dunam (10 ha, 24.7 acre) botanical garden housing over 900 plant species from around the world. It is the only populated botanical garden in the world, with 500 residents. The garden joined the register of the Botanic Gardens Conservation International in 1994. The garden includes date palms and Arecaceae, tropical and desert flora.

Mrs. BD, myself, along with daughter and grand pups in tow, strolled the grounds last week. If I recall correctly, there are over 40 types of palm trees planted throughout the kibbutz.

Here are a few of the pics I took:

Regards from Jerusalem,

Biden’s Dog

Truly a remarkable place, considering that there are 500 people living in the kibbutz. I recognize some of the plants, but certainly not all of them. I read that it's hot there, and isolated, but there's a spring.

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Thanks for these fascinating photos!

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Edible Gardening/Putting Things By

I missed this last week:

Hi,

Sorry, I bailed out early on the thread. Most of the time no one replies to me, so I leave.

Anyway, We live in LV and it gets hot in May. We're still getting 100 plus temps for at least the next week. That's usually fine because I drape that green outdoor netting over the plants. Maybe it's because I used Miracle-Gro stuff. I'd seen a story a while ago that their stuff wasn't any good.

We planted cherry tomatoes, and Early Girls in a different bed than last year. We had the tomatoes all over the place last year and got bowls full of toms. This year, the plants wouldn't even grow. One or two green ones that shriveled up. I pulled them. A second bed had two zucchini plants. The flowered, but it seemed we got only a couple female blooms. One set and started to get good sized, then we saw it turned yellow on the end. There were a few more, but they all yellowed and shrunk after a couple days of good growth. On a third bed we planted two rows of carrots. They grew up, then stopped. I'm not sure, but maybe the watermelons nearby took all the water. The melon plants grew well and I kept them trimmed. Had a few good sized ones and waited and waited for the yellow spot that indicates ripeness. Cut one open and it was completely white inside.. Some of the others were the same way. The last one was overripe. I pulled everything out after that.

I planted garlic, marigolds, and basil in between most of the plants for pest control. That part worked at least. Couldn't get very many bees or butterflies to pollinate. So, I don't know if it was over or underwatering, poor soil, or no pollinators. I'll amend the soil and deepen it in the new bed to see if that works. I'll put the tomatoes back where they were last year. I'll keep trying because you never know how the economy will be in the next few years.

Thanks.
OrangeEnt

A couple of things off the top of my head:

1. You don't need pollinators for carrots or tomatoes. You do for zucchini or melons, though you can hand-pollinate zucchini.

2. Miracle-Gro potting mixes vary regionally and by specific mix. Check locally for recommendations. Some of the icky kinds may be government-mandated.

3. Methods for testing melon ripeness vary by variety. It's easiest to tell if you choose one that slips from the vine when ripe.

Any other tips for OrangeEnt?

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Grapes of Wrath

I missed yesterday’s Gardening thread. Oops!

Last week, I went up to our vacation home in Israel’s north Galilee. Because of the war, we have stayed most of the recent time in our home in Jerusalem. However, there are things in our vacation home that have to be maintained every now and then.

One of my tasks early last week was to bring back grapes. They’re organic.

Normally we would have started picking them about 2 or 3 weeks ago. Since then, they began to overripen on the vine. I’ve attached a pic of what I found in abundance.


I don’t know what variety of grape this is. When they’re just ready to eat, they have an almost tropical flavor, with hints of passionfruit and mango. Once overripe, they are super-sweet.

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“But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig-tree; and none shall make them afraid; for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken.” – Michah 4:4

Regards from Jerusalem,

Biden’s Dog

Makes me sorta misty. What a wonderful thing. Sounds like a great variety, too.

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Ah, Nature

Chinese infiltrator warning

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Hi
I was out on my little terrace and spotted a bug. I have very loud crickets that keep me up at night so went to step on when it spread its wings and turned into something beautiful. I took a picture intending to send it to the garden thread for ID when my phone told me it was an adult spotted Lantern Fly an invasive species from China. They are really gross. Aside from damaging crops and trees, they feed in large groups producing a sickly sweet by product called honeydew which leads to fungal diseases.They are swarming right now in the DMV. So if you see one, step on it. Don't take a picture.

Sharon(willow's apprentice)

Pretty for a fly. Too bad it's a baddie.

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Puttering

From Miley:

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The peeling of the 1st Luffa

Looks kind of non-technological. We will be interested to hear about the other processing steps for your luffas.

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Decorating for the holidays? A couple of quick tips to remember:

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Adventure

Re-thinking gutters. Scroll down one to seen an underwater view. Ready to visit Japan?

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Gardens of The Horde

post-Helene okra devastation

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Hi KT,

Don't know if you can see the blown-over okra here, but the zinnias don't care - they're still flowering like crazy. At one time you couldn't see the black water barrel in the okra forest - a few of the burgundy okra were 8' tall.

It's a nice pic of the layout. I prefer the back porch because all you see are the trees (none of which fell).

-Miley

Things look better near the house than in the garden. Nice to see your layout, even if in terrible circumstances. Your zinnias are tough!

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Hi KT,

This is Mama Publius' front porch rocking chair (her daddy made it back in the 40s). The moonflower vine has crept from the garden trellis, along the wall of the house, and is now climbing her rocker!

Miley, okravangelist

Great photo and story. Thanks.

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Hope everyone has a nice weekend.


If you would like to send photos, stories, links, etc. for the Saturday Gardening, Puttering and Adventure Thread, the address is:

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Remember to include the nic or name by which you wish to be known at AoSHQ, or let us know if you want to remain a lurker.

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Week in Review

What has changed since last week's thread? Gardening, Puttering and Adventure Thread, Oct. 12


Any thoughts or questions?

I closed the comments on this post so you wouldn't get banned for commenting on a week-old post, but don't try it anyway.

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1 FIRST?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 19, 2024 01:27 PM (kUMx7)

2 Ahhh, y'all are at the MOME!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 19, 2024 01:28 PM (kUMx7)

3 I'm here

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, at October 19, 2024 01:29 PM (qfLjt)

4 BOING!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 19, 2024 01:29 PM (Kab1N)

5 Bloody 'ell, don't encourage zucchini!

Posted by: Captain Ned at October 19, 2024 01:30 PM (nADdg)

6 But I no longer garden. Too decrepit.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il giardino purtroppo at October 19, 2024 01:30 PM (qfLjt)

7 Lysenkoism?

Posted by: KT at October 19, 2024 01:30 PM (xekrU)

8 Okra devastation.
Wow! Two happy words!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 19, 2024 01:35 PM (W/lyH)

9 Great photos BD!
I shall go there one day.
I am reminded of the Buchart Gardens in Victoria BC.
Beautiful!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 19, 2024 01:37 PM (W/lyH)

10 Hot girls are waiting for you to put your laptop in a toaster oven.

Posted by: Lenna at October 19, 2024 01:40 PM (Rv2Za)

11 Lysenkoism was a political campaign led by Soviet biologist Trofim Lysenko against genetics and science-based agriculture in the mid-20th century, rejecting natural selection

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 19, 2024 01:41 PM (kUMx7)

12 Clean up on aisle ten please

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 19, 2024 01:41 PM (kUMx7)

13 That Israeli botanical garden is fascinating. Amazing at the number of species it supports. Thanks Biden's Dog for sending that.

Posted by: JTB at October 19, 2024 01:46 PM (yTvNw)

14 It would be interesting to find out what grape variety Biden's Dog is growing, His description of the tastes sounds different. Wonder if they would make an interesting wine.

Posted by: JTB at October 19, 2024 01:48 PM (yTvNw)

15 Good afternoon Greenthumbs

Posted by: Skip at October 19, 2024 01:51 PM (fwDg9)

16 11 Lysenkoism was a political campaign . . .

Yes. Is this a special anniversary?

Posted by: KT at October 19, 2024 01:54 PM (xekrU)

17 It would be interesting to find out what grape variety Biden's Dog is growing, His description of the tastes sounds different. Wonder if they would make an interesting wine.
Posted by: JTB at October 19, 2024 01:48 PM (yTvNw)
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Doing some searching. Ribier/Alphonse Lavallée?

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 19, 2024 01:55 PM (Kab1N)

18 Huh.
I never learned that trick with the hammer.
Probably a good thing too.

*goes looking for putty*

Posted by: Diogenes at October 19, 2024 01:56 PM (W/lyH)

19 Loved the photos of the kibbutz!

Mama's chair vine is now up to the top of the rocking chair.

And Diogenes, it's cruel to mock the losses of others, and will bring karma down upon you : )

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at October 19, 2024 01:56 PM (w6EFb)

20 >>Looks kind of non-technological. We will be interested to hear about the other processing steps for your luffas.

Peel and shake out the seeds. There are tons of them. Then cut to your desired length. Mama's going to try it out this weekend for her shower. I think she'll love some luffa scritchies.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at October 19, 2024 01:59 PM (w6EFb)

21 I never learned that trick with the hammer.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 19, 2024 01:56 PM (W/lyH)
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Now I feel better.

Beside, most of the nail I ever hammer in are too short for that method.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 19, 2024 02:00 PM (Kab1N)

22
Zucchini done, cucumbers done, big boy tomatoes done, still have lima beans, a couple of varieties of cherry and grape tomatoes, and of course lettuce still growing in SE Pennsylvania.

October 20th is traditional 'first frost' date for this area and we have gotten somewhat close recently, but 10 day forecast looks like no danger. In fact downright politically incorrect yet 'Indian Summer-ish'.

My goal this winter is to turn a portion of my overly large south facing dining room into a plant and food nursery. Pull up the hardwood, install ceramic tile, and dedicate about 150 square feet to food production during the winter. Like everything in life, I plan, and God laughs.

Posted by: Civic Classifier at October 19, 2024 02:01 PM (MwtZ5)

23 Would be still getting some tomatoes and peppers are in mini greenhouse but trees have gotten so high there is very little sun. Might have to bail out on the garden location

Posted by: Skip at October 19, 2024 02:01 PM (fwDg9)

24 We had our first technical frost on Oct 16. That's 36 degrees and if I could understand how Publius explained it, I'd tell you.

Anyway, there was frost on the car, but none of the plants suffered. When I think of frost, I think of 32 degrees. There's a 20% chance of that temp before Oct 24. Right now the forecast has nighttime temps around the 50s for the next week and a half.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at October 19, 2024 02:07 PM (w6EFb)

25 I planted a raised bed full of cantaloup., probably 18 plants. One variety was "jenny" , one called Minnesota midget....(sounds like the name for a baseball team)...

They are not particularly large, the largest about the size of a softball, heh.

We harvested about 75 baseballs., had to get some that seemed unripe before the killing frost. I left them in the garage, and I'll be darned , they ripened.

We are now blessed with the most exquisite little fruits that smell divine, like a tangerine. And the flavor is off the charts. Proof that God wants us happy. The chickens get the guts and seeds. They're happy too!

We're a zone 5, and never did I know this could be a successful crop.. we did have a hot summer, and the garden area is surrounded by asphalt. I think that helps in this grow zone. A micro climate of sorts.

A fun surprise was that the flowers attracted hummingbirds by the flock. Its was a buzzing traffic zone at the peak of summer.

Posted by: Derak at October 19, 2024 02:10 PM (CtOh2)

26 special anniversary?

Adopted that nic years ago.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 19, 2024 02:12 PM (kUMx7)

27 I haven't seen frost yet here, and am certainly up at 4am daily to notice. Upper 30s has been lowest temperature

Posted by: Skip at October 19, 2024 02:15 PM (fwDg9)

28
trees have gotten so high there is very little sun

Yup, the sun is sitting lower to the horizon this time of year. Where it *used* to hit my outdoor solar shower during May, June, July, August, and September, it is now behind a tree. It was still five and a half months of pleasant hot showers in the sunshine after working up a sweat. An experience once enjoyed is not to be forgotten. I'll have to send KT a pic of either:
1: Handsome 29 yr old guy in bathing suit or
2. Hot 29 yr old babe in bikini enjoying outdoor shower (her choice)

/ above ages should not be 'fact checked' or 'community noted' as to accuracy. But a steady diet of good home grown food and exercise you'd hardly notice. Maybe a little Photoshop. Just a little.

Posted by: Civic Classifier at October 19, 2024 02:17 PM (MwtZ5)

29 "Bloody 'ell, don't encourage zucchini!"

I used to agree... but this year I made up a recipe that's has turned into a favorite dish.

I have (and still have ) a counter full of zucchini , a seemingly never ending supply. It's actually keeps well for weeks at room temps.

Anyhow. I shred the zucchini, place as the base in a large casserole pan. I layer with chard, then sausage chicken or hamburger. Copious shredded cheese, then pour 5 or 6 beaten eggs over the top.
45-50 minutes, then top with more cheese , 5 min more . It's awesome. A guess it's sort of a frittata.

We love it!

How does the gardening thread not turn into a food thread ?

Posted by: Derak at October 19, 2024 02:20 PM (CtOh2)

30 Watching US Grand Prix , another beautiful day in Texas it looks

Posted by: Skip at October 19, 2024 02:27 PM (fwDg9)

31 It should, probably nake chili tomorrow with my tomatoes, Anaheim and chili peppers from tje garden

Posted by: Skip at October 19, 2024 02:28 PM (fwDg9)

32 And Diogenes, it's cruel to mock the losses of others, and will bring karma down upon you : )
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at October 19, 2024 01:56 PM (w6EFb)


Heh!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 19, 2024 02:29 PM (W/lyH)

33 Oh shoot! I forgot to mention the thick layer of sliced tomatoes that go over the top of the meat!

I made up the whole recipe to use up the gigantic tomato harvest.

Posted by: Derak at October 19, 2024 02:32 PM (CtOh2)

34

Orange Ent needs to post some more hot babe pictures, preferably topless....

Posted by: Joey Bidet, Crack SBD Pilot at October 19, 2024 02:33 PM (v9tkV)

35
How does the gardening thread not turn into a food thread ?

Wife makes zucchini bread which is so delicious. Never thought it would be but it is. Unfortunately this year, she scarfed most of the zucchini crop up for her salads. Which, with home grown lettuce and arugula, home grown tomato, cheese, and some small protein she claimed were awesome.

I'm pretty certain at 105# she is not part of the 70% of Americans who are overweight.

MAGA/MAHA

Posted by: Civic Classifier at October 19, 2024 02:36 PM (MwtZ5)

36 probably nake chili tomorrow with CARROTS.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 19, 2024 02:36 PM (kUMx7)

37 A fun surprise was that the flowers attracted hummingbirds by the flock. Its was a buzzing traffic zone at the peak of summer.

Posted by: Derak at October 19, 2024 02:10 PM (CtOh2)

That's wonderful, to get the "baseballs" and a hummingbird bonus!

I miss our little guys, last seen on Oct 9.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at October 19, 2024 02:39 PM (w6EFb)

38 We had a freeze last week at around 1000 feet. Lower areas didn't (frost only). Our garden is done, but that's okay cause we were certainly done in by it.
Still need to put it to bed.

Posted by: MkY at October 19, 2024 02:42 PM (cPGH3)

39 There's a stiff breeze today, gusts up to 10.2, 72.5. It's nice having a personal weather station. It was a real hit as a birthday present. I had Publius send me the link to the one he wanted.

I think he needs a telescope, but I'm not going to make the mistake of choosing it. "Just send me the link to the one you want, babe."

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at October 19, 2024 02:46 PM (w6EFb)

40 Gotta run and do some errands. Later, folks!

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at October 19, 2024 02:48 PM (w6EFb)

41 Bugs infesting the Department of Motor Vehicles? I don't get it, but I'll check my driver license. I think it's got a few years on it yet

Posted by: CommonTater at October 19, 2024 02:51 PM (wjURd)

42 Bugs infesting the Department of Motor Vehicles

Pet thread!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 19, 2024 02:53 PM (kUMx7)

43 miss our little guys, last seen on Oct 9.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at October 19, 2024 02:39 PM (w6EFb)

They are a marvel. They went nuts after the cucumber flowers as well.

I have a friend, an engineer geek, who started gardening a few years ago, and approached it with the discipline you'd expect out of an engineer.
Just cold eyed analytically deliberate.

Absolutely scoffed at wasting any of his space on flowers because what a waste, you can't eat them nope nope nope.

He then learned about attracting pollinators. That changed his tune rather quickly.

Those humming birds were working overtime all for little ole me. All my veggie beds are punctuated with flowers, from zinnia, cosmos, dahlias, glads marigolds and beyond. But that the hummers preferred the cantaloupe flowers really surprised me. They are rather drab yellow looking. Must be the sweet scent.


Posted by: Derak at October 19, 2024 02:54 PM (CtOh2)

44 Frost is tricky. I learned this from camping. There are two different flavors.

There are certain conditions, where the grass or maybe the punkins will get frost in the morning - at temperatures between 38F and 41F. This won't ordinarily cause plants too much heartache. Maybe delicate plants could be covered, I dunno.

A "Hard Frost" is a term you will hear. Now, things are getting more serious. This is the actual below freezing temperatures that will kill plants dead. Interestingly too, this isn't necessarily 32F, or put another way, it needs to get a little bit colder than that to get the plant down to 32F and freeze. This is around 28F degrees. Air movement helps, and smudge fires.

Posted by: CommonTater at October 19, 2024 02:57 PM (wjURd)

45 Orange Ent needs to post some more hot babe pictures, preferably topless....
Posted by: Joey Bidet, Crack SBD Pilot at October 19, 2024 02:33 PM (v9tkV)

That's Joe Mannix.

I followed watermelon protocols from some gardeners, don't know why they didn't turn out. This was the second year we tried. Got two or three small ones last year. Won't try again. Will move the tomatoes back to where they were last year. Zucchini is for making squash bread. I don't eat it by itself. Wife likes okra for her filipino dishes. Will probably grow other Filveg next time. Peach tree died over last winter so we don't have it anymore. Too expensive to buy a tree now.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 19, 2024 03:15 PM (0eaVi)

46 Pets pets pets pets pets pets pets pets

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 19, 2024 03:21 PM (kUMx7)

47 Snow yesterday and then a freeze. Just in time. the garden had worn out its welcome. Will harvest the beets today.

Have a great day all.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 19, 2024 03:25 PM (D7PBT)

48 How old were you when you learned this?

I was 13 or so when I learned to set a nail with curved clawhammer in siding.,worked real good when your other hand was keeping you from experimenting with gravity.

Posted by: Eromero at October 19, 2024 03:26 PM (7u8iD)

49 Derak at October 19, 2024 02:10 PM

Melons are one of the best hot weather crops. Good to know that variety will finish ripening indoors.

Posted by: KT at October 19, 2024 03:50 PM (xekrU)

50 Derak at October 19, 2024 02:10 PM

Were your "Jenny" melons maybe green-fleshed 'Jenny Lind' or orange-fleshed 'Golden Jenny'? Both have a button on the bottom.

Posted by: KT at October 19, 2024 03:57 PM (xekrU)

51 Now I want to go to Israel to see the botanical gardens. The grapes also look scrumptious.

Derak, thank you for the recipe. Sounds delicious!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at October 19, 2024 06:01 PM (YqJ9U)

52 Sorry about the loss of your okra. It was always a special treat when my mom would fry it. She used a cast iron pan. Little bit of bacon grease. Then sliced okra with some self rising corn meal sprinkled over. Then stirred around till brown and Krispy. Was better than dessert. I don't care what Diogenes says.

Posted by: AlmostYuman at October 19, 2024 10:22 PM (bj34f)

53 And the botanical gardens are a sight to behold.

Posted by: AlmostYuman at October 19, 2024 10:27 PM (bj34f)

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