Woke $200+ Million Joker Sequel Brings In a "Tragic" $37.8 Million in Opening Weekend Disaster

Hollywood estimates said, on Sunday, the film would make $39 million over the weekend. They can estimate the box office take on Sunday because they have Thursday, Friday, and Saturday numbers (and remember, Thursday is now considered "the weekend"), and there is a pretty good rule of thumb that Sunday's numbers will be 65-80% of Saturday's. (Or whatever -- I don't know the rule of thumb, just that it exists.)

Warner Bros. shrieked that this $39 million figure was fake and insisted that it would make $40 million or more. They were playing the game that retailers do when they charge $39.99 for something instead of $40. Except in this case, they wanted the number to appear bigger. There was a psychological comfort to having a "4" in front of the number instead of a "tragic" 3.

They campaigned to get media headlines changed from a $39 million estimate to $40+ million. Some complied.

But the actual figures were even lower than the $39 million estimate, as terrible, and I mean terrible, word of mouth depressed Sunday's takings.

Variety calls it a "tragic" box office performance.

"Joker: Folie à Deux" suffered an even worse box office debut than initially expected. The off-beat comic book sequel, starring Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga, brought in a tragic $37.8 million in its first weekend of release. By comparison, the original "Joker" earned $39 million on Friday alone in 2019.
Initial tracking was closer to $70 million, but those projections shrank dramatically in recent weeks to $50 million to $60 million. Monday's final tally is below Sunday's estimate of $40 million, which was flop territory for the $200 million-budgeted tentpole. With bad buzz and terrible word-of-mouth (including a rare "D" grade on CinemaScore), "Joker 2" didn't come close to matching the start of "Joker," which set an October opening weekend record with $96.2 million. The polarizing reception will likely doom its big-screen staying power.

The movie made $80 million overseas, which sounds good until you compare it with the first film's opening weekend overseas takings -- $136 million.

Many were saying the film is a deliberate "F*** You" to the audience that supported the original.

Even leftwing fake news outlet Rolling Stone admits this now:

The audience did not appreciate this sentiment. Cinemascore polls theater-goers as they exit a movie, handing them cards to grade the film. Grace Randolph said that "D" is the lowest rating on the card. They don't allow F's.

Joker 2's grade? A D. It's the first comic book movie to receive this grade-- and there have been many, many terrible comic book movies, of course.

But I guess people don't like being told to go f*** themselves.

Who knew?

It has long, long been the case that Stunning and Brave Artistes think they are above making genre fare. To signal that they are superior to the films (or comic books) they're making, they deliberately subvert them, crack jokes about them in the films and books themselves, and otherwise signal that this is very stupid material, and therefore the audience is also stupid for attempting to enjoy it.

As a James Bond fan, I was long, long annoyed by the franchise's habit of undermining the very fantasy the audience came to see by inserting fourth-wall breaking jokes that scream "All of this is silly and stupid and you're silly and stupid for trying to enjoy it."

This is extremely common in genre fare. The Stunning and Brave Artistes hate the material, hate that they're lowering themselves to produce such garbage, and fill their "art" with lots of signals that they're above the material, and that the material is stupid. This of course demolishes the product they're putting out, but the important thing is communicating to their peers in the industry that are just slumming, and that they have elevated tastes and should be given projects more worthy of them.

It's poisonous and destructive, and Hollywood, and now the formerly mainstream comic book industry, just can't help doing it. They want you to know they're slumming. And therefore, if you are a patron of this stuff, you're a slum-dweller.

They want to say they're above this material -- but they're not. They took the job, after all. No one was beating down Todd Philips' doors to do something more substantial, were they?

When it comes to genre fare, they refuse to do the job they were hired to do, instead positioning themselves for the next job.

This actually works the other way, too. I would argue that Zack Snyder was embarrassed by how silly Superman and Batman are, and therefore made his films grimmer and "darker" than the source material could bear. No, he wasn't undermining the films by joking, but he was undermining the source material by essentially declaring that they were too childish and light for him and therefore needed to be changed to "improve" them.

What's the right take? Well, Superman made a ton of money and was a crowd-pleaser. It took the material seriously -- Richard Donner's watchword was "versimilitude" -- without losing the fundamentally light, fun tone of a comic book.

When Donner had Superman look directly at the audience he wasn't undermining the movie by saying "This is all stupid." Instead, he was having a little fun and having Superman look right at the audience and form a sly little bond. Superman was letting us in on his secret.

Anyway, this isn't even a problem of "wokeness." They've been doing this as long as I've been alive. The James Bond movies constantly burst the bubble of suspended disbelieve. In the 80s, when action movies were making money but Stunning and Brave Artistes were sick of having to make them, they constantly inserted tasteless "comedy" into action scenes and otherwise forbid anyone in the audience from getting lost in the story by constantly announcing "This is just a stupid movie."

As I mentioned on Friday, Todd Philips had a different goal here. He had been attacked by the Permanent Twitter Residents for supposedly "inciting incels" to commit violence, and, even worse, telling men that felt excluded from society that others understood their pain.

The much-predicted violence never happened -- but the leftwing Mean Girls still attacked him for attempting to say something about marginalized men.

And so Todd Phillips made a movie for this new Phantom Audience that didn't and never will exist -- the film was made for people who hated the first Joker, and was intended not as a movie but an apology for having made the first one.

And now he's got a disaster on his hands. Warner Bros. will lose a hundred million or more on this disaster.

But the important thing is that Todd Phillips signaled to the right people that he agrees with them.

And bear in mind: The same media that fretted endlessly that the Joker movie might encourage violence also cheerleaded all through the BLM and antifa riots and murders of 2020. They themselves incited marginalized men to commit violence, and praised them as heroes for doing so.

But ah -- those were the right marginalized men. Real heroes like Grosskreutz and the pedophile Rittenhouse shot.

Anyway, the good news for Todd Philips is that Hollywood won't hold this Money Fire disaster against him. He Did The Right Thing. He told the Right People -- the ticket-buying audience -- that they were gross trolls who are beneath the Stunning and Brave Artistes.

I'm sure his, I don't know, biopic of the leaders of the Stonewall Rebellion will get greenlit. Or whatever.

Now that's the right kind of violence to promote.

Posted by: Ace at 04:41 PM

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Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 07, 2024 04:41 PM (CEzQx)

2 Why change a successful character??

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 07, 2024 04:43 PM (CEzQx)

3 nooded, BTW

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 07, 2024 04:43 PM (CEzQx)

4 And now he's got a disaster on his hands. Warner Bros. will lose a hundred million or more on this disaster.

Disaster? He got paid. There's a lot of comfort in a new Spanish villa and a Bugatti Veyron.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2024 04:43 PM (IG4Id)

5 The D Cinemascore means it's going to die very fast.

There's a solid chance it makes less money in the US than The Marvels.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:43 PM (GBKbO)

6 Hicks Nix Joker Tricks

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 07, 2024 04:44 PM (CEzQx)

7 Insult your fanbase, reap the results.

Not that the director cares, he got paid.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 07, 2024 04:44 PM (xcxpd)

8 This is extremely common in genre fare. The Stunning and Brave Artistes hate the material, hate that they're lowering themselves to produce such garbage, and fill their "art" with lots of signals that they're above the material, and that the material is stupid.

I prefer the highbrow stuff, e.g. Serial Apist.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 07, 2024 04:44 PM (xCA6C)

9 Mentioned this morning that one of my kids came home from J2 enraged by how bad it was and further enraged because she thought it was bad deliberately.

She said a lot of people got up and walked out during the middle of the thing.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 07, 2024 04:45 PM (LxER7)

10 Why did they think that writing a hate letter to their fans would be profitable?

Posted by: Surfperch at October 07, 2024 04:45 PM (htJYU)

11 Anyway, the good news for Todd Philips is that Hollywood won't hold this Money Fire disaster against him. He Did The Right Thing. He told the Right People -- the ticket-buying audience -- that they were gross trolls who are beneath the Stunning and Brave Artistes.

I'm sure his, I don't know, biopic of the leaders of the Stonewall Rebellion will get greenlit. Or whatever.

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Yeah, he'll have $50 million lined up for some bullshit real fast.

It'll bomb too, but he knows whose dick to suck, so he'll get another chance after that. It may end up being Hangover 4, but he's got at least a couple more movies to turn his career around.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:45 PM (GBKbO)

12 According to people who've seen it so nobody else has to, it's a musical, but not a good one, and the big highlight is the Joker being raped. People have been refunding their tickets when they find that out.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 07, 2024 04:46 PM (2ocoG)

13 7 Insult your fanbase, reap the results.

Not that the director cares, he got paid.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 07, 2024 04:44 PM (xcxpd)

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Reportedly, $50 million of the budget was for Phillips, Gaga, and Phoenix.

Though, I suspect all three had it in their contract for backend numbers, too.

Heck, Nolan got that for Oppenheimer, and he ended up making something like $100 million off of that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:46 PM (GBKbO)

14 Interesting link on historical domestic box office annual gross. Link is to Box Office Mojo - dunno what that means, but seems in the style guide to mention where link goes to. https://tinyurl.com/2p9ktwpx

Posted by: scampydog at October 07, 2024 04:46 PM (2bFN5)

15 Even the retards at the OMG Oklahomans Wearing Winter Coats in August are Waiting in Long Lines for The ER Because of Horse Dewormer Overdoses Rolling Stone Magazine noticed the filmmakers are asshoe?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 07, 2024 04:46 PM (FnneF)

16 The Epilogue to that Stonewall movie will get a little redundant: "Stunningly and Bravely died of AIDS in the early '80s"

Posted by: Wally at October 07, 2024 04:47 PM (zbDNH)

17 Though, I suspect all three had it in their contract for backend numbers, too.

Heck, Nolan got that for Oppenheimer, and he ended up making something like $100 million off of that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Todd was on record saying the idea of a second one was silly. I doubt he took points over up-front money. I mean, would you?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2024 04:48 PM (IG4Id)

18 I'm not sure, but Critical Drinker's post mortem on Season 2 of Rings of Power suggests that he's not on board with it. How long do these idiots think they can continue to burn through vast gobs of Other People's Money?

https://tinyurl.com/59aw76m7

Posted by: Archimedes at October 07, 2024 04:48 PM (xCA6C)

19 Woke $200+ Million Joker Sequel Brings In a "Tragic" $37.8 Million in Opening Weekend Disaster
—Ace

It moved.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 07, 2024 04:48 PM (/U5Yz)

20 >>>Reportedly, $50 million of the budget was for Phillips, Gaga, and Phoenix.

I don't think that's way out of line. They always get paid more for the sequel. Which is why sequels cost twice as much and often bring in half the takings of the first one.

>>>Though, I suspect all three had it in their contract for backend numbers, too.

LOL, what backend numbers?

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:48 PM (KRtlO)

21 the pedophile Rittenhouse shot

You're going to have to be more specific. IIRC, the percentage of attackers that Rittenhouse shot who were also pedophiles was greater than 75%

Posted by: Chuck C at October 07, 2024 04:48 PM (yOPBE)

22 I won't be seeing it

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2024 04:48 PM (fwDg9)

23 Why did they think that writing a hate letter to their fans would be profitable?
Posted by: Surfperch at October 07, 2024 04:45 PM (htJYU)

same reason trolls come her to tell us to be less hypocritical rassyss homophobe bigots.
The only way normies with an attitude can be reached is by destroying the things they love and turning them into a how to be woke TED talk.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 07, 2024 04:49 PM (D7oie)

24 Reportedly, $50 million of the budget was for Phillips, Gaga, and Phoenix.

Though, I suspect all three had it in their contract for backend numbers, too.

Heck, Nolan got that for Oppenheimer, and he ended up making something like $100 million off of that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:46 PM (GBKbO)

Nolan is a filmmaker. Even if I don't always enjoy his films, he actually has vision and ambition even is his basically B-movie stories.

And Phoenix is a very fine actor. But he's made a lot of flops and some of them can be laid at his feet. Gaga...you know...she's not a terrible actress. Considering she got her start in music...eh, it's ok.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 07, 2024 04:49 PM (xcxpd)

25 >>>18 I'm not sure, but Critical Drinker's post mortem on Season 2 of Rings of Power suggests that he's not on board with it. How long do these idiots think they can continue to burn through vast gobs of Other People's Money?

amazon hasn't greenlighted season 3 yet.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:49 PM (KRtlO)

26 During bad economic times, people want escapist fare. They want light hearted stuff. Hollywood used to understand this. Guess they haven't been hurt bad enough yet.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 07, 2024 04:49 PM (gfViB)

27 Case in point: the Lazenby Bond film. Immediate 4th wall break plus an actor who had open contempt for the role.

Posted by: Jack Tallent at October 07, 2024 04:49 PM (4s2SR)

28 20 >>>Though, I suspect all three had it in their contract for backend numbers, too.

LOL, what backend numbers?

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:48 PM (KRtlO)

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If it made Joker 1 money, that's probably end up a nice payday. If WB really wanted the movie made no matter what, up to and including giving him final cut and allowing him to premiere it at Venice, they probably got a backend to it too. 2% or something.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:49 PM (GBKbO)

29 Todd Philips burned through a pile of money, eh?

He should sign up for this competition:

https://tinyurl.com/5fkn6yx2

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 07, 2024 04:49 PM (tT6L1)

30 12 According to people who've seen it so nobody else has to, it's a musical, but not a good one, and the big highlight is the Joker being raped. People have been refunding their tickets when they find that out.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 07, 2024 04:46 PM (2ocoG)

No one should watch it...get refunds...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 07, 2024 04:50 PM (exHjb)

31 Too bad this isn’t a Disney movie

Posted by: Settled Science at October 07, 2024 04:50 PM (6ggBq)

32 The Epilogue to that Stonewall movie will get a little redundant: "Stunningly and Bravely died of AIDS in the early '80s"

"...because of Anthony Fauci". Which is what actually happened, but the movie won't say so.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 07, 2024 04:50 PM (2ocoG)

33 >>> 10 Why did they think that writing a hate letter to their fans would be profitable?
Posted by: Surfperch at October 07, 2024 04:45 PM (htJYU)

Profit....?

Posted by: Hollywood Accounting at October 07, 2024 04:50 PM (FnneF)

34 I haven't seen a movie in the theater in years. Why bother when my home setup is almost as good, my floors are clean, and I can have whatever snacks I want?

But I looked at the recent offerings locally and it is all: Boring crap I would never want to see or foreign movies I've never heard of.

No wonder the movie industry is failing apart.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 07, 2024 04:50 PM (oZhjI)

35 Hix nix trix pix is better to my ears.

Posted by: Thanatopsis at October 07, 2024 04:50 PM (Q3Jz2)

36 >>If it made Joker 1 money, that's probably end up a nice payday. If WB really wanted the movie made no matter what, up to and including giving him final cut and allowing him to premiere it at Venice, they probably got a backend to it too. 2% or something.

no i know, i'm just saying, there will not be much backend for a huge flop.

Though i'm sure they made sure they got gross points not net points (because Hollywood accountans make sure no movie ever makes a net profit).

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:50 PM (KRtlO)

37 Die Hollywood die.. Oh.. Looks like they did...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 07, 2024 04:50 PM (IyPmt)

38 20 >>>Reportedly, $50 million of the budget was for Phillips, Gaga, and Phoenix.

I don't think that's way out of line. They always get paid more for the sequel. Which is why sequels cost twice as much and often bring in half the takings of the first one.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:48 PM (KRtlO)

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Doing these out of order, but I disagree. I think it's totally out of line.

I don't think there is a single talent in Hollywood worth that. Gaga definitely isn't worth that (did her star turn House of Gucci into a smash hit? I think not!). Phillips is a hack and not worth it. Phoenix is a madman and definitely not worth it.

A studio paying that for star talent is desperation from executives who personify the William Goldman saying, "Nobody knows anything."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:51 PM (GBKbO)

39 Whelp...shit.

The Joker was the only "superhero" movie I thought was at least halfway decent and interesting. It seemed to borrow from Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy, but just a bit.

I was hoping this sequel would be decent too. There aren't too many decent movies made these days.

Posted by: Pastafarian at October 07, 2024 04:51 PM (tWGrL)

40
Never go full Deuxtard

Posted by: haffhowershower at October 07, 2024 04:51 PM (J1d8J)

41 18 I'm not sure, but Critical Drinker's post mortem on Season 2 of Rings of Power suggests that he's not on board with it. How long do these idiots think they can continue to burn through vast gobs of Other People's Money?

https://tinyurl.com/59aw76m7
Posted by: Archimedes at October 07, 2024 04:48 PM (xCA6C)

Drinker is VERY quotable in that one. "Whatever flatulent excretions we can provoke..." Chavez would have loved that.

RIP Chavez. You are much missed.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 07, 2024 04:51 PM (xcxpd)

42 @ 15, LOL

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at October 07, 2024 04:51 PM (UWgy2)

43 25 >>>18 I'm not sure, but Critical Drinker's post mortem on Season 2 of Rings of Power suggests that he's not on board with it. How long do these idiots think they can continue to burn through vast gobs of Other People's Money?

amazon hasn't greenlighted season 3 yet.
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:49 PM (KRtlO)

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They greenlit season 2 right before season 1 started, but they're dragging their feet on the decision for season 3?

I'd be surprised if it got greenlit now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:51 PM (GBKbO)

44 >>> I haven't seen a movie in the theater in years. Why bother when my home setup is almost as good, my floors are clean, and I can have whatever snacks I want?

during covid a lot of theaters really upped their game. In many theaters, every theater is now a big lazyboy recliner and, get this, everyone gets their own armrest!!!

It's a shame, the theaters are now pretty good but Hollywood is going to put them all out of business.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:52 PM (KRtlO)

45 the pedophile Rittenhouse shot

I liked his shot to the skateboard douches torso. The expansion and wound channel made that fuckers torso expand like a whoopee cushion for a second then he fell
on his face calling for mommy.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 07, 2024 04:52 PM (/U5Yz)

46 36 no i know, i'm just saying, there will not be much backend for a huge flop.

Though i'm sure they made sure they got gross points not net points (because Hollywood accountans make sure no movie ever makes a net profit).
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:50 PM (KRtlO)

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What if they over raised the money? Will the government care if they used the extra funds to get a Turkish bath?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:52 PM (GBKbO)

47 39 Whelp...shit.

The Joker was the only "superhero" movie I thought was at least halfway decent and interesting. It seemed to borrow from Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy, but just a bit.

I was hoping this sequel would be decent too. There aren't too many decent movies made these days.
Posted by: Pastafarian at October 07, 2024 04:51 PM (tWGrL)

So was I...but I'm not burning money to support what I hate...I can just accept that this sequel never existed and enjoy the original...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 07, 2024 04:52 PM (exHjb)

48 >>>The Joker was the only "superhero" movie I thought was at least halfway decent and interesting. It seemed to borrow from Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy, but just a bit.

just the teeniest, tiniest bit

https://ace.mu.nu/archives/411704.php#411704

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:53 PM (KRtlO)

49 Joker gets raped, you say?

Posted by: P Diddy at October 07, 2024 04:53 PM (zbDNH)

50 I don’t get how we have flop after flop after flop, yet the big studios just keep on doing their thing. At some point do t some of them have to start going under?

Or is the one mega blockbuster success enough to cover all the losers? Kinda like pharma companies. For every Lipitor there are 20 drugs that make no money but Lipitor is enough to cover those losses.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 07, 2024 04:53 PM (6ggBq)

51 It's miraculous that it even came within shouting distance of $40 million. Even without the wokeness, once they decided it was going to be a quasi-musical with Lady Gaga, they told the actual fans not to show up.

Posted by: Gay and Lame at October 07, 2024 04:53 PM (2+SeL)

52 All you people complaining we gave our money away to illegals would you rather we would have spent it on making a Joker movie? Well?

Posted by: Mayorkas at October 07, 2024 04:54 PM (oZhjI)

53 >>>I don’t get how we have flop after flop after flop, yet the big studios just keep on doing their thing. At some point do t some of them have to start going under?

Film Threat is saying Lionsgate, which produces nothing but flops except for John Wick and Saw movies, will go under.

In fairness, Lionsgate makes some faith-oriented movies that make a profit, but just a little profit -- they're low-budgeted movies.

All of their big and medium budget stuff stiffs at the box office. (Except for John Wick and Saw. And John Wick is.... well, spoiler alert.)

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:55 PM (KRtlO)

54 Was Taxi Driver also supposed to inspire violence among incels?

Forget "gas lighting clownworld." They just left the gas on to either exphixiate us in our sleep or inadvertently flip light switch and blow up the house.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 07, 2024 04:55 PM (wBaIH)

55 Helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!

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How does everyone like my new ring and necklace.....
Cackle...Cackle...Cackle....

They only cos $15,00 for both.... Cackle...Cackle...Cackle...

I just talked to Chuck Schumer, and he is working on getting all of you an extra $75.00 to help with flood damage Cackle...Cackle...Cackle....

Let's hear it for senator Schumer and your friends the Democrats in Congress ... Cackle...Cackle...Cackle.....

Posted by: Kamal Harris at October 07, 2024 04:55 PM (hbjSA)

56 I think it was Nerdrotic who suggested the director didn't want to make a sequel unless the studio gave him an obscene budget for it, which they did. So it could well be a fuck you to everyone.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 07, 2024 04:55 PM (3bS+W)

57 amazon hasn't greenlighted season 3 yet.
Posted by: ace
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If they don't, that would not mean it's "canceled." Failure to approve is not the same as canceled, as we learned in the case of the Acolyte.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 07, 2024 04:55 PM (Dm8we)

58 53 And John Wick is.... well, spoiler alert.)
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:55 PM (KRtlO)

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Coming back for Chapter 5 no matter what.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:55 PM (GBKbO)

59 amazon hasn't greenlighted season 3 yet.
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:49 PM (KRtlO)

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They greenlit season 2 right before season 1 started, but they're dragging their feet on the decision for season 3?

I'd be surprised if it got greenlit now.

How do you go into the pitch meeting and say, with a straight face, "this time it'll work"?

Posted by: Archimedes at October 07, 2024 04:55 PM (xCA6C)

60 hollywood is not dying fast enough

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at October 07, 2024 04:55 PM (UWgy2)

61 It's a shame, the theaters are now pretty good but Hollywood is going to put them all out of business.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:52 PM (KRtlO)

I'm waiting for a great theater to start playing classics. I would pay to see clean copies of great films, but I simply don't care enough to see anything new. I thought about going to see Deadpool 3 (or whatever it's called), and before that Dune 2, but neither one was important enough for a trip to a theater.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2024 04:56 PM (d9fT1)

62 Meanwhile The Penguin takes a comic book character, "real worlds" him and produces a very good mob TV show. Sure it didn't need the comic aspect to succeed, but how many eyes extra will be brought in by that link that'd have ignored it otherwise.

Comics a just modern disposable novels, but so is Bond and many others. What is done with characters good or bad can separate it from the source media and fan or anti-fan base.

Posted by: Bete at October 07, 2024 04:56 PM (LX4y3)

63 I still haven't seen the first Joker.
I got like 2 minutes in and said screw it, I don't want to waste my time on a dark, depressing, super-hero movie.

I don't even mind the comedy in the superhero genre as long as the movie is fun, same with Bond.

The Dark Knight was DARK but it was still enjoyable to watch.

But these movies aren't fun.

Who the fuck turns the Joker into a sad-ass musical?
WHY?

Who makes musicals anymore except for silly 15-30 second TV commercials selling big-pharma pills?

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 07, 2024 04:56 PM (6ydKt)

64 I'm sure a John Wick Origin script exists somewhere. Nothing screams "Money making franchise reboot" quite like an origin story.

Posted by: totally not an inconvenience at October 07, 2024 04:56 PM (tT6L1)

65 It seemed to borrow from Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy, but just a bit.

RLM's summary of Joker (2019) was "Baby's First Taxi Driver"

Posted by: Chuck C at October 07, 2024 04:57 PM (yOPBE)

66 >>>51 It's miraculous that it even came within shouting distance of $40 million. Even without the wokeness, once they decided it was going to be a quasi-musical with Lady Gaga, they told the actual fans not to show up.

I don't know if that was the problem. The first movie had a lot of dancing sequences. Why not some musical numbers? He's crazy, you can always justify the musical numbers as being in his head.

The big problem, I think (and I haven't seen it), was the tone of absolute contempt for the audience.

(Though people say the musical numbers were very weak and brought the story to a grinding halt. Which is bad because there wasn't much story here, it's mostly a recap of the first movie during a trial.)

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:57 PM (KRtlO)

67 61 I'm waiting for a great theater to start playing classics. I would pay to see clean copies of great films, but I simply don't care enough to see anything new. I thought about going to see Deadpool 3 (or whatever it's called), and before that Dune 2, but neither one was important enough for a trip to a theater.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2024 04:56 PM (d9fT1)

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https://www.fathomevents.com/events/

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:57 PM (GBKbO)

68 once in a while a director loses a studio a fortune but the studio gives him a chance to make up for it. the guy who did "heaven's gate" (cimino? ) then did a movie, i forget the name, about gangs in chinatown nyc and he did the movie on budget and on time. Same with stroheim after 'greed'.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at October 07, 2024 04:57 PM (CWTWj)

69 >>When Donner had Superman look directly at the audience he wasn't undermining the movie by saying "This is all stupid." Instead, he was having a little fun and having Superman look right at the audience and form a sly little bond. Superman was letting us in on his secret.

It also didn't hurt that Christopher Reeve was a gorgeous hunk of a man with a smile that could melt anyone's heart, even a dude.

That has always been the problem with casting anyone as Superman, there are only a handful that could pull of that smile, George Reeves, Christopher Reeves, Tom Welling and Dean Caine and that's it.

Henry Cavill just doesn't have the smile.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 07, 2024 04:57 PM (XV/Pl)

70 Christian Toto had an interesting article bemoaning that Joker 2, Horizon, and Megalopolis all bombed. His reasoning is that at least they were trying to be different; trying to break the mold out of cookie cutter Hollywood. He worries their bombings will lead studios to just grab tighter to sequels and remakes.

I think Todd is butthurt that he can't make the gasp inducing comedies he once made. But he's refusing to see that hollywoods icy cancel culture is why. He got paid handsomely for joker and probably put none of his money in. Make the stupid comedy you want to make with your wad of cash!

Posted by: LizLem at October 07, 2024 04:57 PM (QAK8m)

71 I've never seen a Joker movie. I have seen Ghost Ship, though.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 07, 2024 04:57 PM (c711F)

72 50 the money in movies is made off of investors and distribution fees before the movie actually flops.

Everyone is paid before the audience rejects it.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 07, 2024 04:58 PM (wBaIH)

73 70 Christian Toto had an interesting article bemoaning that Joker 2, Horizon, and Megalopolis all bombed. His reasoning is that at least they were trying to be different; trying to break the mold out of cookie cutter Hollywood. He worries their bombings will lead studios to just grab tighter to sequels and remakes.

I think Todd is butthurt that he can't make the gasp inducing comedies he once made. But he's refusing to see that hollywoods icy cancel culture is why. He got paid handsomely for joker and probably put none of his money in. Make the stupid comedy you want to make with your wad of cash!

Posted by: LizLem at October 07, 2024 04:57 PM (QAK8m)

Meh. Being different doesn't make it special.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 07, 2024 04:58 PM (KbCG3)

74 Excellent, libbers, burn your money, burn all your f*king money and burn all your investors money too.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 07, 2024 04:58 PM (PBwDQ)

75 It's not like it would have been hard to write Joker 2...his fans break him out of jail and turn him into a popular cult leader who no one will touch - he can't believe how anything of this happened to him and finds it a big joke, so he proceeds to turn that joke onto Gotham...a crime movie ensues.

The end...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (exHjb)

76 "How do you go into a pitch meeting and say with a straight face 'This time it'll work'?"

Look, just go with the bit, OK?

Posted by: Bullwinkle J Moose at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (zbDNH)

77 But ah -- those were the right marginalized men. Real heroes like Grosskreutz and the pedophiles Rittenhouse shot.
Posted by Ace at 04:41 PM Comments

You're missing an S there, ace.

Also, every time hollywood fails is a time to celebrate.

Burn, devils burn.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (N1DT3)

78 16 The Epilogue to that Stonewall movie will get a little redundant: "Stunningly and Bravely died of AIDS in the early '80s"
Posted by: Wally

You forgot "Ronald Reagan's fault".

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (sAmhv)

79 72 50 the money in movies is made off of investors and distribution fees before the movie actually flops.

Everyone is paid before the audience rejects it.

Are you suggesting that Hollywood can violate conservation of money? Someone's taking a royal reaming.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (xCA6C)

80 It'll bomb too, but he knows whose dick to suck, so he'll get another chance after that. It may end up being Hangover 4, but he's got at least a couple more movies to turn his career around.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Movie production companies and especially movie theaters may not have that long.

Most of the theater firms are not in very good shape anymore financially. One year ago or so, AMC was at 10 bucks--now it is four bucks.

Declining youth market and decreasing disposable income make further revenue and customer count declines in those companies likely.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (bt/Nj)

81 Who makes musicals anymore except for silly 15-30 second TV commercials selling big-pharma pills?
Posted by: SpeakingOf

Part one of "Wicked" is winging your way just in time for the holidays.

Posted by: Tuna at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (oaGWv)

82 76 "How do you go into a pitch meeting and say with a straight face 'This time it'll work'?"

Look, just go with the bit, OK?
Posted by: Bullwinkle J Moose at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (zbDNH)

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"We have this great idea for Season 3 where Isildur forces an orc woman to have a baby while shrieking that she can't have an abortion because he must control her body."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (GBKbO)

83 The John Wick guys cannot be faulted for attempting to give the audience much more than they were asking for, but they've been giving too much. There IS such a thing as too many action sequences. The films start to drag and you just can't be amazed so many times in a row.

If they went back to making tight 100 minute films, which would cost less money, I'd like them more.

I definitely can't say they're cheaping out but they do have to shorten these things and chop out some unneeded action sequences.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (KRtlO)

84 I don't know if that was the problem. The first movie had a lot of dancing sequences. Why not some musical numbers? He's crazy, you can always justify the musical numbers as being in his head.

You think Joker's fan base was sitting around saying, "This would be so much better if it was more like Chicago?"

C'mon, man.

Posted by: Gay and Lame at October 07, 2024 05:00 PM (2+SeL)

85 Look, just go with the bit, OK?

Posted by: Bullwinkle J Moose

I always laugh at "fan mail from some flounder?".

Posted by: Archimedes at October 07, 2024 05:00 PM (xCA6C)

86 83 The John Wick guys cannot be faulted for attempting to give the audience much more than they were asking for, but they've been giving too much. There IS such a thing as too many action sequences. The films start to drag and you just can't be amazed so many times in a row.

If they went back to making tight 100 minute films, which would cost less money, I'd like them more.

I definitely can't say they're cheaping out but they do have to shorten these things and chop out some unneeded action sequences.
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (KRtlO)

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I couldn't comment on your unfair disparagement of Apocalypse Now last week, but I can applaud you for this erudite and reasoned critique of the bloated John Wick franchise.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 05:00 PM (GBKbO)

87 Meh. Being different doesn't make it special.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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Being Mel Gibson different is special.
They can't figure it out.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 07, 2024 05:01 PM (PBwDQ)

88 It takes a special kind of stupid to ruin a guaranteed money making movie/comic book franchise, but here we are.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 07, 2024 05:01 PM (QNSds)

89 "We have this great idea for Season 3 where Isildur forces an orc woman to have a baby while shrieking that she can't have an abortion because he must control her body."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (GBKbO)
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Even Screenwriter Guy from Pitch Meeting will have a hard time selling that to Producer Guy.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 07, 2024 05:01 PM (7fElN)

90 (and remember, Thursday is now considered "the weekend")
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To cheer up the numbers, pretty soon they'll be counting Tuesday and Wednesday as "the weekend"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 07, 2024 05:01 PM (YqDXo)

91 70 Christian Toto had an interesting article bemoaning that Joker 2, Horizon, and Megalopolis all bombed. His reasoning is that at least they were trying to be different; trying to break the mold out of cookie cutter Hollywood. He worries their bombings will lead studios to just grab tighter to sequels and remakes.

I think Todd is butthurt that he can't make the gasp inducing comedies he once made. But he's refusing to see that hollywoods icy cancel culture is why. He got paid handsomely for joker and probably put none of his money in. Make the stupid comedy you want to make with your wad of cash!
Posted by: LizLem

Meh, Hollywood is dropping so many bombs on America, it is like Dresden in WWII.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:01 PM (bt/Nj)

92 I don't know if that was the problem. The first movie had a lot of dancing sequences. Why not some musical numbers? He's crazy, you can always justify the musical numbers as being in his head.

The big problem, I think (and I haven't seen it), was the tone of absolute contempt for the audience.

(Though people say the musical numbers were very weak and brought the story to a grinding halt. Which is bad because there wasn't much story here, it's mostly a recap of the first movie during a trial.)
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:57 PM (KRtlO)

James Gunn did this very thing, fairly well, in The Suicide Squad in some of Harley's scenes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 07, 2024 05:01 PM (xcxpd)

93 >>>Christian Toto had an interesting article bemoaning that Joker 2, Horizon, and Megalopolis all bombed. His reasoning is that at least they were trying to be different; trying to break the mold out of cookie cutter Hollywood. He worries their bombings will lead studios to just grab tighter to sequels and remakes.

definitely, and that's too bad.

OTOH, and "sure-fire" formula of taking an established IP and making a movie (or ten movies) is also failing so....

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:01 PM (KRtlO)

94 Spoiler Alert:
The best scene in The Joker is when he shoots DeNiro in the face.
Spoiler Alert over.

Posted by: wth at October 07, 2024 05:01 PM (v0R5T)

95 This is always such a weird thing to do.

Woody Allen did the same thing with the movie, "Stardust Memories", which was a direct fuck you to his fans. It bombed badly and his popularity never really recovered though admittedly he's still making movies.

Kurt Vonnegut gave his fans the finger in "Breakfast of Champions".

Leftists are such weirdos. They hate everyone including themselves

Posted by: naturalfake at October 07, 2024 05:01 PM (eDfFs)

96 93 definitely, and that's too bad.

OTOH, and "sure-fire" formula of taking an established IP and making a movie (or ten movies) is also failing so....
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:01 PM (KRtlO)

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Unless you're Inside Out or Deadpool.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 05:01 PM (GBKbO)

97 The John Wick guys cannot be faulted for attempting to give the audience much more than they were asking for, but they've been giving too much. There IS such a thing as too many action sequences. The films start to drag and you just can't be amazed so many times in a row.

JW4 was so absurd, I lost interest. It was a video game, not a movie.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 07, 2024 05:02 PM (xCA6C)

98 But the important thing is that Todd Phillips signaled to the right people that he agrees with them.

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Cowardice is contagious.

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 07, 2024 05:02 PM (J32dL)

99 @83

>>If they went back to making tight 100 minute films, which would cost less money, I'd like them more.

To your point....

Predator 107min
Cliffhanger 113min

John Wick 101min
John Wick 4 169min

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 07, 2024 05:03 PM (XV/Pl)

100 Taxi Driver "inspired" John Hinckley

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 07, 2024 05:03 PM (ULt7M)

101 Are you suggesting that Hollywood can violate conservation of money? Someone's taking a royal reaming.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (xCA6C)

That loss becomes a tax write-off. One they can smear over many many years if necessary.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at October 07, 2024 05:03 PM (kqvk9)

102 >>>JW4 was so absurd, I lost interest. It was a video game, not a movie.

it's just too much of a good thing. Too many delicious donuts will make you sick.

Tom Cruise has been giving us too much in the Mission Impossible movies, too.

Again, I can't knock them for trying to do so much, but... it is too much.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:03 PM (KRtlO)

103 endlessly that the Joker movie might encourage violence also cheerleaded all through the BLM and antifa riots and murders of 2020.

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* The Trump assassinations have entered the post *

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 07, 2024 05:04 PM (J32dL)

104 Seems like the narcissists in Hollywood are fully large and in charge, indulging in pet fantasy power trips in creating these things.

The showrunners and directors end up being more famous than the actors, many of whom are relatively unknown and will remain that way.

The no longer care about mass appeal to a large audience. Only about their own "feelz." If others don't like it, it's the fault of the AUDIENCE, not the fault of the directors/showrunners.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 07, 2024 05:04 PM (7fElN)

105 95 This is always such a weird thing to do.

Woody Allen did the same thing with the movie, "Stardust Memories", which was a direct fuck you to his fans. It bombed badly and his popularity never really recovered though admittedly he's still making movies.

Kurt Vonnegut gave his fans the finger in "Breakfast of Champions".

Leftists are such weirdos. They hate everyone including themselves
Posted by: naturalfake at October 07, 2024 05:01 PM (eDfFs)

Wasn’t it Pearl Jam’s lead singer who yelled at the audience to stop singing along, because “this isn’t for you”?

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at October 07, 2024 05:04 PM (kqvk9)

106 Todd treated the audience better than if he would have gay raped them to death, so it could have been worse.

Posted by: Internet Rando at October 07, 2024 05:05 PM (x60GR)

107 Too many delicious donuts will make you sick.

That didn't work on Homer.

Posted by: Demon in charge Hell's Ironic Punishment Division at October 07, 2024 05:05 PM (OguvZ)

108 https://www.fathomevents.com/events/

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:57 PM (GBKbO)

Looks vaguely interesting, but its local theater is an eight screen monstrosity at the largest mall in the area.

I'd rather stab my eyes out with knitting needles than go to that theater.

I'm talking about a dedicated theater that shows classics every day. The U.C. Theater in Berkeley showed 60 movies a month. it was an absolutely fantastic place.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2024 05:05 PM (d9fT1)

109 /off inconvenient sock

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 07, 2024 05:05 PM (tT6L1)

110 JW4 was so absurd, I lost interest. It was a video game, not a movie.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 07, 2024 05:02 PM (xCA6C)
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Agreed. Parts of the movie looked like they came straight out of a video game streamed on Twitch.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 07, 2024 05:05 PM (7fElN)

111 ace: "just the teeniest, tiniest bit

https://ace.mu.nu/archives/411704.php#411704"

Holy crap, I completely missed that post.

I think I missed it -- shit maybe I read it and thought I came up with the idea that Joker borrowed from those movies.

I'm not the greatest at noticing these similarities: I once took a literature class as an undergrad and had to read Joseph Conrads' "Heart of Darkness" and I went up to the professor after class and asked if he noticed similarities between that book and the film Apocalypse Now.

He suppressed the impulse to call me a retard and gently explained that that film was entirely based on that book, and many characters actually have the same name. So not really a great catch.

Posted by: Pastafarian at October 07, 2024 05:05 PM (tWGrL)

112 >>>Kurt Vonnegut gave his fans the finger in "Breakfast of Champions".

he did? In what way? I'm not the hugest fan but I read several of his books (the ones everyone reads) and BoC and I didn't feel insulted. It wasn't great and I barely remember it but I didn't feel like he was giving me the finger.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:06 PM (KRtlO)

113 Say what you will about Cesar Romero but he never had contempt for his audience.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 07, 2024 05:07 PM (vtRd1)

114 I took my kid to Wild Robot in the theater this weekend. It was a cute movie and the big, plush chair was nice. I wouldn't go to Joker 2 if you paid me.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 07, 2024 05:07 PM (lIio7)

115 >>>Agreed. Parts of the movie looked like they came straight out of a video game streamed on Twitch.

i really don't mind any of the "elevated" action scenes, though, you know, they really screwed up the series by introducing "bulletproof cotton" in the 2nd movie, and every movie now features this dumb conceit.

I can take implausible action. Just not this much of it.

I mean, the thought behind the action scenes, and the excellence of the stunts, is praiseworthy.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:08 PM (KRtlO)

116 @113

>>Say what you will about Cesar Romero but he never had contempt for his audience.

Well, he was also at the end of his career so he needed the paycheck.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 07, 2024 05:08 PM (XV/Pl)

117 81 Part one of "Wicked" is winging your way just in time for the holidays.

Posted by: Tuna at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (oaGWv)

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Had to look that up.

They did a back-story movie for Oz several years ago that sucked as I recall.

Other than having Ariana Grande in it (can she even act?) I don't see how this is going to do anything but bomb!

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 07, 2024 05:08 PM (6ydKt)

118 Too many delicious donuts will make you sick.
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Crazy talk.

Posted by: More Glazed Cinnamons Roll Donuts at October 07, 2024 05:08 PM (2bFN5)

119 >>> Say what you will about Cesar Romero but he never had contempt for his audience.

motherf***er wouldn't shave his stache. #CANCEL

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:08 PM (KRtlO)

120 >>> Part one of "Wicked" is winging your way just in time for the holidays.
Posted by: Tuna

i hear it's 3 hours long.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:09 PM (KRtlO)

121
Wasn’t it Pearl Jam’s lead singer who yelled at the audience to stop singing along, because “this isn’t for you”?
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at October 07, 2024 05:04 PM (kqvk9)
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Years ago, Eddie Vedder got mad at an audience member when the guy shouted at Eddie to shut up and sing. Evidently Vedder was going off about some stupid leftwing cause. Vedder responded some BS about free speech. My thought was, "Buddy, if someone is paying for a ticket to your show, that speech certainly isn't free."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 07, 2024 05:09 PM (tT6L1)

122 #DoBetter, Cesar Romero.

#DoBetter.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:09 PM (KRtlO)

123 89 "We have this great idea for Season 3 where Isildur forces an orc woman to have a baby while shrieking that she can't have an abortion because he must control her body."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (GBKbO)
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Even Screenwriter Guy from Pitch Meeting will have a hard time selling that to Producer Guy.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
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Have you seen Producer Guy(s) for RoP? Odds of successfully pitching this plot line to these numbskulls are better than you think.

Posted by: Internet Rando at October 07, 2024 05:09 PM (x60GR)

124 motherf***er wouldn't shave his stache. #CANCEL
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:08 PM (KRtlO)

HAH!

I thought of that too after I hit Post. I'd like to retract my comment please.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 07, 2024 05:09 PM (vtRd1)

125 >>>Kurt Vonnegut gave his fans the finger in "Breakfast of Champions".

he did? In what way?
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The first book of his I read, "Breakfast of Champions" has a highly suspenseful scene that Vonnegut has set you up, as the reader, to anticipate, and before resolving it, he says, "I don't mean to imply that [the thing he induced you into believing] will happen."

I don't know if that's giving the finger or sharing a sly wink the audience. He wrote it so well, I wanted the denouement he "promised".

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at October 07, 2024 05:09 PM (asXVI)

126 Simpler, I think the 'magic' of superhero type movies, is over.

Unless it is something unique like Deadpool 2... it's like Western TV shows in the 60's... eventually so many have been made that the public is just tired of them...

And then, that genre dies.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:10 PM (QAkQ3)

127 Green Day's biggest hit song was a Fuck You to their audience. The Beastie Boys allegedly were giving a Fuck You to their audience with Fight For Your Right to Party (I think they were serious, but had to try to defend the vapid thing later). It's an artiste tradition!

Posted by: Wally at October 07, 2024 05:10 PM (zbDNH)

128 The basic problem is that since we are no longer really a movie going culture anymore, the people in Hollywood have to cater to a very narrow slice of the remaining moviegoing audience.

So you don't really get the breath and variety of films that you used to in decades past.

That's why you get a John Wick film that's nearly 3 hours long.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 07, 2024 05:10 PM (XV/Pl)

129 120 >>> Part one of "Wicked" is winging your way just in time for the holidays.
Posted by: Tuna

i hear it's 3 hours long.
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I heard it's even better than Vagina Monologues!

Posted by: Internet Rando at October 07, 2024 05:10 PM (x60GR)

130 I can take implausible action. Just not this much of it.

I mean, the thought behind the action scenes, and the excellence of the stunts, is praiseworthy.
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:08 PM (KRtlO)
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The moment John Wick fell of a rooftop 10 stories or so onto asphalt took me out of the story. Then he gets up and stumbles away.

That exceeds my limit of plausibility even more than the bulletproof clothing.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 07, 2024 05:10 PM (7fElN)

131 >>> Who makes musicals anymore except for silly 15-30 second TV commercials selling big-pharma pills?Posted by: SpeakingOf
Part one of "Wicked" is winging your way just in time for the holidays. Posted by: Tuna at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (oaGWv)

Musicals do surprisingly well in turbulent times, and we are in turbulent times. The top films and soundtracks during the Vietnam and watergate eras were musicals, not all the hippie fare. Crowder pointed that out, I was surprised. But it makes sense.

I hate the musical Wicked with a passion, it's a thin indictment of Dubya, since that's when it was made. But it has decades of goodwill, so I suspect it will be a cash cow. Even though Ariana Grande stole her current guy during filming away from his newborn baby and his sweet wife.

Posted by: LizLem at October 07, 2024 05:11 PM (QAK8m)

132 113 Except as far as they weren't going to be important enough to shave his stash.

Which worked, but can also have been disrespect if the audience didn't roll with it.

Posted by: Bete at October 07, 2024 05:11 PM (LX4y3)

133 Ghost Shop was on last week but missed it, saw it once and thought it was good

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2024 05:11 PM (fwDg9)

134 "JW4 was so absurd, I lost interest. It was a video game, not a movie"

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I'm sure John Wick 14 will be awesome though!!!

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 07, 2024 05:11 PM (i7Q7S)

135 But Joker 2 will get eight Academy Award nominations and win Best Picture.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:12 PM (yrMbv)

136 120 >>> Part one of "Wicked" is winging your way just in time for the holidays.
Posted by: Tuna

i hear it's 3 hours long.
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:09 PM (KRtlO)

a Three HOUR TOUR????

Posted by: The Proffesor at October 07, 2024 05:12 PM (QAkQ3)

137 Years ago, Eddie Vedder got mad at an audience member when the guy shouted at Eddie to shut up and sing. Evidently Vedder was going off about some stupid leftwing cause. Vedder responded some BS about free speech. My thought was, "Buddy, if someone is paying for a ticket to your show, that speech certainly isn't free."
Posted by: blake
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One of the funnier moments in rock history was at Woodstock when Abbie Hoffman decided to take the stage screaming on John Sinclair and others. He was stupid enough to do it during the Who set and a very pissed off and exhausted Pete Townshend uses his very large and grand Doc Marten boots to kick Abbie off the stage screaming as he ran away.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:12 PM (bt/Nj)

138 Uhhh, what faith exactly?

@Breaking911 5m
KAMALA: "As we reflect on the horrors of October 7th, let us please be reminded that we cannot lose faith."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2024 05:12 PM (IG4Id)

139 >>>The first book of his I read, "Breakfast of Champions" has a highly suspenseful scene that Vonnegut has set you up, as the reader, to anticipate, and before resolving it, he says, "I don't mean to imply that [the thing he induced you into believing] will happen."

oh, I don't remember it well. All I remember is the Beaver Shot. (obviously)

and endless talk of penis size.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:13 PM (KRtlO)

140 134 "JW4 was so absurd, I lost interest. It was a video game, not a movie"

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I'm sure John Wick 14 will be awesome though!!!
Posted by: Jay in PA at October 07, 2024 05:11 PM (i7Q7S)

Yup, the only reel Wick movie is the first one IMO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:13 PM (QAkQ3)

141 Now, my book? "White-Hating Coon"? Ain't got none of that shit.

Heh.

(OK, book 4 is called "Will-o'-Wisp", coming out the 15th. Feudalistic dragonflies!)

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at October 07, 2024 05:13 PM (asXVI)

142 Uhhh, what faith exactly?

@Breaking911 5m
KAMALA: "As we reflect on the horrors of October 7th, let us please be reminded that we cannot lose faith."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2024 05:12 PM (IG4Id)

Unless she means faith in our small electronics, she is inscrutable.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 07, 2024 05:14 PM (vtRd1)

143 I once heard Paul Simon SCOLD his audience for applauding the minute he played the opening notes of one of his hits: "Don't DO that!"

What a total, self-absorbed jerk.

Posted by: mnw at October 07, 2024 05:14 PM (NLIak)

144 138 Uhhh, what faith exactly?

@Breaking911 5m
KAMALA: "As we reflect on the horrors of October 7th, let us please be reminded that we cannot lose faith."
Posted by: weft cut-loop
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Faith in the "Two State Solution". Kind of like waiting for the Great Pumpkin

Posted by: Internet Rando at October 07, 2024 05:14 PM (x60GR)

145 Part one of "Wicked" is winging your way just in time for the holidays.
Posted by: Tuna

i hear it's 3 hours long.
Posted by: ace

Geez and that's just part one. The second part comes next year.

I saw the musical and I can't imagine how they're going to stretch the material that far.

Posted by: Tuna at October 07, 2024 05:14 PM (oaGWv)

146 138 Uhhh, what faith exactly?

@Breaking911 5m
KAMALA: "As we reflect on the horrors of October 7th, let us please be reminded that we cannot lose faith."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2024 05:12 PM (IG4Id)

And, just how many hostages are still being held?

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:14 PM (QAkQ3)

147
I was wondering how $200 million could be spent making a movie of this type. Maybe the actual business model is that all the right people will get paid, even if the investors don't. In that case, the more money that disappears into the woodwork, the better.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 07, 2024 05:14 PM (XeO61)

148 104 Seems like the narcissists in Hollywood are fully large and in charge, indulging in pet fantasy power trips in creating these things.

The showrunners and directors end up being more famous than the actors, many of whom are relatively unknown and will remain that way. ...
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and none of them have any talent. The movies they make are less entertaining and less mature than a Loony Tunes cartoon, but I insult the makers of Loony Tunes

Posted by: Braenyard at October 07, 2024 05:14 PM (PBwDQ)

149 >>>The moment John Wick fell of a rooftop 10 stories or so onto asphalt took me out of the story. Then he gets up and stumbles away.

oh yeah. Eh... I mean, I take them as action fantasies. The first movie basically told us he was a supernatural "Baba Yaga" (which is a huge bloated female witch and not "the boogyman" as the movie claims).

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:14 PM (KRtlO)

150 "Reportedly, $50 million of the budget was for Phillips, Gaga, and Phoenix."

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At some point, you've made enough money!

That is what is so amazing about these people who assure themselves they are better than Republicans, they are the some of the greediest people in the world.

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 07, 2024 05:14 PM (i7Q7S)

151 140 134 "JW4 was so absurd, I lost interest. It was a video game, not a movie"

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I'm sure John Wick 14 will be awesome though!!!
Posted by: Jay in PA at October 07, 2024 05:11 PM (i7Q7S)

Yup, the only reel Wick movie is the first one IMO.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:13 PM (QAkQ3)

South Park did a bit where there was a reality show called “Russel Crowe Fightin’ ‘Round the World”.

I would say that the John Wick movies have entered that territory.

He won’t stop until EVERYBODY is dead.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at October 07, 2024 05:15 PM (kqvk9)

152 As I said before I was kinda liking the trailer for John Wick: Ballerina because she was fighting dirty to beat bigger badder guys.

Until she tosses a grenade, slams a steel door like it is a screen door, and as the grenade goes *whooompf* the door suddenly has the weight of a steel door.

Took me right out of caring for the film. If I want that kind of cartoon violence, I'll watch a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:15 PM (yrMbv)

153 ||oh, I don't remember it well. All I remember is the Beaver Shot. (obviously)

Oh, sorry, I don't know why I typed "Breakfast of Champions", I meant "Jailbird," probably one of his LEAST known books.

It came out when I was nearly ... uh... 1979, anyway.

It's about a lesser known Watergate figure. In retrospect, it fits perfectly with his oeuvre. The "hero" is swept up in the frenzy to get all the villains, and he's just out of jail when the story starts.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at October 07, 2024 05:16 PM (asXVI)

154 Unholyweird and the rest of the Infotainment / Propaganda complex is run by evil, vampiric pedophiles who hate you. I give them none of my time nor money.

Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at October 07, 2024 05:16 PM (PWI4f)

155 120 >>> Part one of "Wicked" is winging your way just in time for the holidays.
Posted by: Tuna

i hear it's 3 hours long.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:09 PM (KRtlO)

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Whoa.
I pity the poor bastard whose GF drags him to see this thing.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 07, 2024 05:16 PM (6ydKt)

156 I think Elon Musk should buy a films studio. He can start by firing all of the execs then having some number crunchers find out how large the movie going audience is for a particular genre and work from there.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 07, 2024 05:16 PM (tT6L1)

157 >>South Park did a bit where there was a reality show called “Russel Crowe Fightin’ ‘Round the World”.

Russell Crowe had a Tugboat, though.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2024 05:16 PM (0XOcY)

158 147
I was wondering how $200 million could be spent making a movie of this type. Maybe the actual business model is that all the right people will get paid, even if the investors don't. In that case, the more money that disappears into the woodwork, the better.
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Agreed
_Hollywood 1020, Woodworkers Union

Posted by: Braenyard at October 07, 2024 05:16 PM (PBwDQ)

159 >>> I heard it's even better than Vagina Monologues!

Which ironically got soft canceled. It's insensitive to trans women, and the lesbian story in it has the lesbian as a groomer, I think. So it was embarrassing to them. Cancel!

No word on if menopause the musical has been canceled yet.

Posted by: LizLem at October 07, 2024 05:17 PM (QAK8m)

160 SPONGE!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 07, 2024 05:17 PM (kgE5c)

161 @137 as I recall Pete Townsend was also tripping on acid when he went after Hoffman.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 07, 2024 05:17 PM (ULt7M)

162 +1 on John Wick. I could suspend disbelief the first three times. The fourth Wick movie me and my girlfriend were counting how many times he fell from 20 feet or was hit by a car. Its played out.

Posted by: JROD at October 07, 2024 05:17 PM (IlL6s)

163 I liked the first Joker, even though I saw it as a statement on mental illness and urban decay, not Jokers origin story. No way a guy that pitiable becomes the guy who pushes Batman to the edge. I will be ignoring the sequel gleefully

Posted by: UGAdawg at October 07, 2024 05:17 PM (tRd71)

164 I really enjoyed the first Wick and the 2nd was good enough.

They always, always ruin these things though.

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 07, 2024 05:17 PM (i7Q7S)

165 Don't forget George Miller's "Babe: Pig in the City." Some filmmakers just don't want to make the film...

Posted by: J at October 07, 2024 05:17 PM (Pc7aS)

166 Three hours for Wicked?

And the original Wizard of Oz was half that length.

Good gosh, they went full Napoleon...

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:18 PM (yrMbv)

167 I pity the poor bastard whose GF drags him to see this thing.
Posted by: SpeakingOf
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Fell asleep on a date to Dangerous Liaisons. Wasn't a second date.

Posted by: scampydog had the heavies at October 07, 2024 05:18 PM (2bFN5)

168 Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:15 PM (yrMbv)

Yeah, actually started one of the new Star Wars movies years ago... and saw Spaceships supposedly in zero G dropping bombs... space bombers? uhhh...

Turned it off, and have not watched any of that crap since.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:18 PM (QAkQ3)

169 >>I pity the poor bastard whose GF drags him to see this thing.

The big problem is: Parents bringing children.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:18 PM (KRtlO)

170 Musicals do surprisingly well in turbulent times, and we are in turbulent times. The top films and soundtracks during the Vietnam and watergate eras were musicals, not all the hippie fare. Crowder pointed that out, I was surprised. But it makes sense.

But it's not going to work with The Joker fanbase, which is predominantly men into superhero stuff, anymore than Fantastic 4 on Broadway would work. He's a clown, so he can dance a jig and goof around and that's fine. But to quote the wise man Robert Downey, Jr.: You never go full retard. And making musical superhero movies is full retard. It's Hudson Hawk levels of retardation (and I say that as one of only two documented, living fans of Hudson Hawk). No one wants to see Hugh Jackman do Wolverine Superstar.

Posted by: Gay and Lame at October 07, 2024 05:18 PM (2+SeL)

171 Agreed
_Hollywood 1020, Woodworkers Union

Stay in your wheelhouse, you jigsaw jockeys!

Posted by: Brotherhood of Matte Painters and Background Artists No. 410 at October 07, 2024 05:18 PM (vtRd1)

172 ||and none of them have any talent. The movies they make are less entertaining and less mature than a Loony Tunes cartoon, but I insult the makers of Loony Tunes||

You do.

LT is, in some ways, the pinnacle of motion pictures. Certainly the pinnacle of six-minute shorts.

Seriously, if you can create art that appeals to children and adults, dummies and smarties, snobs and everymen—and is enduringly popular over eighty years with no signs of slowing—what more could anyone ask?

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at October 07, 2024 05:18 PM (asXVI)

173 Pussy Euro, "man" does nothing after a Mohammadan slaps his baby in a stroller.

http://tiny.cc/sl8pzz

Posted by: bonhomme at October 07, 2024 05:18 PM (lIio7)

174 Folie à Deux? More like Folie à SUX amirite?

Posted by: Jim at October 07, 2024 05:18 PM (KYd5r)

175 Sounds like a big deal:

@BNONews 18s
UPDATE: Milton is now one of the strongest hurricanes ever recorded with maximum sustained winds of 180 mph

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2024 05:19 PM (IG4Id)

176 Phoenix has always been a FU actor ... average at best ... every one of his characters is a whinny little b*tch ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at October 07, 2024 05:19 PM (DBAaD)

177 >>>Folie à Deux? More like Folie à SUX amirite?

folie a deuce in your pants more like it

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:19 PM (KRtlO)

178 167 I pity the poor bastard whose GF drags him to see this thing.
Posted by: SpeakingOf
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Fell asleep on a date to Dangerous Liaisons. Wasn't a second date.
Posted by: scampydog had the heavies at October 07, 2024 05:18 PM (2bFN5)

I'm still amazed at some dudes ability to fall asleep anywhere, anytime. I've never fallen asleep in the movie theatre. I don't think I've fallen asleep at the drive in either.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:19 PM (6gSPY)

179 161 @137 as I recall Pete Townsend was also tripping on acid when he went after Hoffman.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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He remarked that everyone was because someone spiked the backstage water with brown acid.

Baba O'Reilly aka Teenage Wasteland was written, in part, from Townshend's experiences at Woodstock. But, the band got paid as Pete and the band demanded a cashier's check before they went on from the producers. A bunch of bands got stiffed.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:20 PM (bt/Nj)

180 Romeo13

That was the second of the neu trilogy that also had a recreation of the Battle of Hoth on a salt flat.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:20 PM (yrMbv)

181 Afternoon.

I got home Saturday night. Megalopolis was down to one showing late at night. I'm too old to stay out until 3AM for a movie. Sad.

I still want to see Joker 2. I didn't see it now cuz once I got home I, uh, didn't want to leave my apartment. Also I seem to have come down with a 48 hour case of ADD and am feeling listless and unfocused. I watched 1944's Cat People last night. Took me two hours to watch a 70 minute movie.

As for Zack Snyder? The man is a fucking hack. All the things they say about Michael Bay absolutely apply to Zack Snyder. Sucker Punch was a three hour movie featuring lots of cute girls with long, lovely legs and it was boring shite. Watchmen sucked. Man Of Steel was meh and everything after has been trash. The only good movie he ever did was 300. All the fanboys lining up to suck his cock are retards with bad taste. Fuck Zack Snyder.

Posted by: Robert at October 07, 2024 05:21 PM (1Yy3c)

182 Conclave the new Movie that’s about the election of a New Pope is Anti-Catholic crap
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The New Pope that’s elected is a intersex Woman or Trans fuck these people.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at October 07, 2024 05:21 PM (FCrpy)

183 >>I'm still amazed at some dudes ability to fall asleep anywhere, anytime. I've never fallen asleep in the movie theatre. I don't think I've fallen asleep at the drive in either.

To be fair, you are on Defense in those scenarios.

You can't sleep on Defense.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2024 05:21 PM (0XOcY)

184 126 Simpler, I think the 'magic' of superhero type movies, is over.

Unless it is something unique like Deadpool 2... it's like Western TV shows in the 60's... eventually so many have been made that the public is just tired of them...

And then, that genre dies.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:10 PM (QAkQ3)

While oversaturation is an issue, the bigger problem is the lack of new ideas... and woke writers don't have anything new. All they can do is put their political screeds in the mouths of different characters.

It's cultural imperialism, the very thing they've been accusing others of for the last decade or two.

Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at October 07, 2024 05:21 PM (gJKGU)

185 I JUST stumbled into the thread… who, even, are the stars in this movie? Should I care about this movie?? Is there ANYTHING original in this movie?? Will this movies debacle encourage movie makers to stop producing unlovely shit?

Posted by: tubal at October 07, 2024 05:21 PM (PCK5/)

186 "I liked the first Joker, even though I saw it as a statement on mental illness and urban decay, not Jokers origin story."

I don't believe it was ever intended as Joker origin story. They made a big point of it at the time. It's non-canonical or "not THAT Joker".

What I heard last week is that they took the film Philips was making and threw in a (completely out-of-character) Thomas Wayne scene, a young Batman scene, and bob's-your-uncle.

Without that character tie-in, "Joker" makes $30M at best.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at October 07, 2024 05:21 PM (asXVI)

187 I thought the first movie was pretty boring since it was a slow burn but it was worth it just to see Robert De Niros head get blown off in the end

Heard the second was a musical and was like yeah no fuck that gay shit

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at October 07, 2024 05:21 PM (M7vhK)

188 Well, I guess it all worked out then.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at October 07, 2024 05:21 PM (FmJcu)

189 Folie à Deux? More like Folie à SUX amirite?

Joker III: The Return of Axel Folie.

It'll be gangbusters.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 07, 2024 05:21 PM (vtRd1)

190 Posted by: Gay and Lame at October 07, 2024 05:18 PM (2

Weird, just went and looked and Dr. Horribles sing along blog was in 2008... last economy crash.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:21 PM (QAkQ3)

191 >>I'm still amazed at some dudes ability to fall asleep anywhere, anytime. I've never fallen asleep in the movie theatre. I don't think I've fallen asleep at the drive in either.

it's a superpower. I dated women who could fall asleep on any bus, train, or plane. what an ability!

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:22 PM (KRtlO)

192 Hurrican Andrew's lowest pressure reading was 922mb.

Hurricane Camille, there was one pre-landfall reading of 900mb.

And Milton is at 905mb.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:22 PM (yrMbv)

193 78 16 The Epilogue to that Stonewall movie will get a little redundant: "Stunningly and Bravely died of AIDS in the early '80s"
Posted by: Wally

You forgot "Ronald Reagan's fault".
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (sAmhv)

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Is there an appearance by Fauci lurking around bath houses, for research?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 07, 2024 05:22 PM (3bS+W)

194 >>>
I'm still amazed at some dudes ability to fall asleep anywhere, anytime. I've never fallen asleep in the movie theatre. I don't think I've fallen asleep at the drive in either.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:19 PM (6gSPY)

I fell asleep in the theater to fantastic beasts 2, and fell asleep to it at home when I tried to see it a second time. It's just utter dreck, which is a shame because the first one was charming.

I found someone that likes Rings of Power season 2! Now I'm questioning all their life choices. Kidding, sort of.

Posted by: LizLem at October 07, 2024 05:22 PM (QAK8m)

195 Stevie Nicks and Pete Townsend should do a duo album.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 07, 2024 05:22 PM (PBwDQ)

196 CaliGirl, saw your question a bout the wine press. The old ways are best so just stomp those grapes.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2024 05:22 PM (I1GXe)

197 I just assume I would dislike the second as much as the first. I’ll never know though.

Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at October 07, 2024 05:22 PM (D6PGr)

198 192 Hurrican Andrew's lowest pressure reading was 922mb.

Hurricane Camille, there was one pre-landfall reading of 900mb.

And Milton is at 905mb.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:22 PM (yrMbv)

How low, can you go...

Posted by: Hurricane Limbo at October 07, 2024 05:23 PM (z+ik4)

199 I liked Watchman.

Jenny Nicholson, in reviewing Batman V. Superman, commented on the latter film depicting Superman as a weird alien space-god with no humanity in him. She said "He should check out Watchmen, I think he'd like it."

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:23 PM (KRtlO)

200 159 >>> I heard it's even better than Vagina Monologues!

Which ironically got soft canceled. It's insensitive to trans women, and the lesbian story in it has the lesbian as a groomer, I think. So it was embarrassing to them. Cancel!

No word on if menopause the musical has been canceled yet.
Posted by: LizLem at October 07, 2024 05:17 PM

I bet the same group of women that enjoyed the vagina monologues are the same group of people that go to the struggle session, white women are racist dinners. The VM was the stupidest thing ever.
Could you imagine the male version, the penis monologues, that might be funny at least.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:23 PM (6gSPY)

201 I believe in Science!

JUNK SCIENCE! Scientific American Says BIAS Is to Blame for Athletic Differences Between Men and Women

https://is.gd/L2xXWn

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 07, 2024 05:23 PM (L/fGl)

202 While oversaturation is an issue, the bigger problem is the lack of new ideas... and woke writers don't have anything new. All they can do is put their political screeds in the mouths of different characters.

It's cultural imperialism, the very thing they've been accusing others of for the last decade or two.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at October 07, 2024 05:21 PM (gJKGU)

I also think the 'reenvisioning' of classics is a YUGE problem. Taking a classic story or character, then morphing them into something they are not, is an insult to those who like the original.

If you want to tell a different story? fine... don't try to ride on the coat tails of something actually good.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:24 PM (QAkQ3)

203 My local theatre shows a lot of oldies because they are cheap to obtain. This week it's the1956 Invasion of Body Snatchers

Posted by: Accomack at October 07, 2024 05:24 PM (tLPHV)

204 I'm still amazed at some dudes ability to fall asleep anywhere, anytime. I've never fallen asleep in the movie theatre. I don't think I've fallen asleep at the drive in either.

it's a superpower. I dated women who could fall asleep on any bus, train, or plane. what an ability!
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:22 PM (KRtlO)

It’s a running joke on Bob’s Burgers. The wife Linda can fall asleep anywhere immediately if she wants.

Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at October 07, 2024 05:24 PM (D6PGr)

205 Yeah Conclave is cr@p.

Unknown Cardinals showing up to elect the new Pope? Not going to fly in reality.

Talk about straining at gnats when real historical Conclaves have been some real wild rides. Like the Cardinal, even after the Conclave was literally sealed in, still managed to smuggle his dwarf in.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:24 PM (yrMbv)

206 I couldn't comment on your unfair disparagement of Apocalypse Now last week, but I can applaud you for this erudite and reasoned critique of the bloated John Wick franchise.

^This... And Ace's original comment are dead on. The movies were better when they were tighter, and left some of the world of assassins open to interpretation. You could argue the first movie was the peak, though I really did enjoy 3 with Halley Barre and the Dogs... Just basically nothing *after* that fight scene, when they accidentally deconstructed what made John Wick who he was... and then tried to paper over doing it. All in the back half of a too long movie.

JW4 was an absolute smorgasbord of amazing action that was fun to watch but I was well past ready for the end of the movie when it finally did.

If JW5 is a thing, I'll watch it because I enjoy JW movies... but a return to form of relatively short, tightly paced is needed.

Posted by: FrozenTech at October 07, 2024 05:24 PM (cFigO)

207 Could you imagine the male version, the penis monologues, that might be funny at least.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:23 PM (6gSPY)

Doesn't Stephen Colbert already host that?

Posted by: Roy at October 07, 2024 05:24 PM (z+ik4)

208 Dude... Superhero movies are already gayer than cum in a moustache.

Making one into a musical? Jeebus. Do they put Biktarvy in the popcorn at the concession stand?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2024 05:25 PM (awTae)

209 196 CaliGirl, saw your question a bout the wine press. The old ways are best so just stomp those grapes.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2024 05:22 PM (I1GXe)

Yeah, I don't know how anyone did that. There are so many bees and yellow jackets flying around the bins I would never climb in there.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:25 PM (6gSPY)

210 And Milton is at 905mb.
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Posted by: Braenyard at October 07, 2024 05:25 PM (PBwDQ)

211 138 Uhhh, what faith exactly?

@Breaking911 5m
KAMALA: "As we reflect on the horrors of October 7th, let us please be reminded that we cannot lose faith."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2024 05:12 PM (IG4Id)
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That every last one of those f*ckers will be dead?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 07, 2024 05:25 PM (3bS+W)

212 I have never liked musicals. I find them tedious.

That said: I played Barnaby Tucker in my high school's production of Hello Dolly. Got to kiss the girl I had a crush on. She was a gymnast and a diver on the swim team. man she was cute. Saucy, even.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at October 07, 2024 05:26 PM (Ad8y9)

213 I liked JW 2 and 3 despite their absurdity. They work as a kind of live action anime. But they also each had some new stunt stuff and fun personal interactions/dialogue (like the crazy sushi chef who is trying to kill Wick but also idolizes him). Those kind of interactions/dialogue were completely missing from 4, and the stunts were pretty uninspired in comparison to the earlier ones. It was just dull, tedious. The stylized duel at the end was the only part that was kinda interesting.

If you're looking for realism though, you'll definitely hate all of these. Dude shakes off bullets better than Neo in The Matrix. And I can understand not liking that.

Posted by: I'm a fan though at October 07, 2024 05:26 PM (2+SeL)

214 201 I believe in Science!

JUNK SCIENCE! Scientific American Says BIAS Is to Blame for Athletic Differences Between Men and Women

https://is.gd/L2xXWn
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 07, 2024 05:23 PM (L/fGl)

And thus dies the entire idea of 'trusting' experts...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:26 PM (QAkQ3)

215 Could you imagine the male version, the penis monologues, that might be funny at least.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:23 PM (6gSPY)

There was a stage show where guys manipulated their uncircumcised penises to resemble different objects and animals.

Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at October 07, 2024 05:26 PM (D6PGr)

216 People who continue to pay to watch these movies and subject themselves to a "go fuck yourselves " message over and over then complain, deserve to be treated as a bunch of dumb fucks by Hollywood.

Posted by: Archer at October 07, 2024 05:27 PM (IDphi)

217 I'd long ago figured out that Hollyweird was giving a big middle finger to normal people, so I stopped going to movies. You get real used to picking up other hobbies and passtimes real-quick like.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 07, 2024 05:27 PM (O7YUW)

218 The Penis Monolouge would be funny because normal guys don't take Johnson seriously which leads to the comedy.

Posted by: Accomack at October 07, 2024 05:27 PM (tLPHV)

219 Could you imagine the male version, the penis monologues, that might be funny at least.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:23 PM (6gSPY)

There used to be a show in Vegas called Puppetry of the Penis. Supposedly it involved real penises. I don't think the actual penis enthusiasts were a large enough market to sustain the show for very long.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 07, 2024 05:27 PM (vtRd1)

220 I do remember JW3 being a bore after the dogs scene.

JW4 had good action all the way through -- that fight up the steps of Montmartre was good -- but there was just too much of that stuff.

I think the fight with the big fat german guy could have been cut. Yeah, i mean, it was cute, and it was that martial arts guy I can't remember in prosthetics and a fat suit, but stuff did need to be cut.

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:27 PM (KRtlO)

221 >>Scientific American Says BIAS Is to Blame for Athletic Differences Between Men and Women

Just when you think people can't get any dumber...

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2024 05:28 PM (0XOcY)

222 207 Could you imagine the male version, the penis monologues, that might be funny at least.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:23 PM (6gSPY)

Penissong!

It's gonna be my retirement project.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 07, 2024 05:28 PM (2+SeL)

223 it's a superpower. I dated women who could fall asleep on any bus, train, or plane. what an ability!
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:22 PM (KRtlO)

Um, ace. Don't take this the wrong way, but......

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 07, 2024 05:28 PM (q71LN)

224 John Wick-ed: Monkeys Flying into Baba Gaga’s Butt

Posted by: haffhowershower at October 07, 2024 05:28 PM (J1d8J)

225 Pitch Meeting's take on John Wick 2, specifically, the ever-expanding list of Tokens assassins use as variant currencies, was hilarious.

"So he takes this Token to the Russians to cash in his Marker and undo the original Contract..."

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:29 PM (KRtlO)

226 Kurt Vonnegut gave his fans the finger in "Breakfast of Champions".

he did? In what way?
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The first book of his I read, "Breakfast of Champions" has a highly suspenseful scene that Vonnegut has set you up, as the reader, to anticipate, and before resolving it, he says, "I don't mean to imply that [the thing he induced you into believing] will happen."

I don't know if that's giving the finger or sharing a sly wink the audience. He wrote it so well, I wanted the denouement he "promised".
Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at October 07, 2024 05:09 PM (asXVI)

Sorry I was at the grocery.

Mostly, I was talking about a few times in the novel when Vonnegut breaks the fourth wall and says he's tired of writing this sort of thing so enjoy it cause you're not getting any more. He's tired of pleasing his audience.

In any event, his agent(?) straightened him out and he wrote similar stuff still but I'll just note that except for "Galapagos", his books weren't the big sellers they had been.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 07, 2024 05:29 PM (eDfFs)

227 221 >>Scientific American Says BIAS Is to Blame for Athletic Differences Between Men and Women

Just when you think people can't get any dumber...
Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2024 05:28 PM (0XOcY)

yooo hoo!
*waves*

Posted by: Kamala at October 07, 2024 05:29 PM (z+ik4)

228
A Cat 5 headed directly at Tampa FL and FEMA is out of money, because newcomers.

Kamala may want to begin tuning up her resume for a future in the service industry.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2024 05:29 PM (RKVpM)

229 @211 Scientific American: there are scientists... in America.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 07, 2024 05:30 PM (3bS+W)

230 There's only one or two musicals I can tolerate. One is "Rocky Horror Picture Show"
And the other is "Little Shop of Horrors."

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 07, 2024 05:30 PM (q71LN)

231 222 207 Could you imagine the male version, the penis monologues, that might be funny at least.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:23 PM (6gSPY)

Penissong!

It's gonna be my retirement project.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 07, 2024 05:28 PM (2+SeL)

Springtime for Penis? GENIUS!!!

Posted by: Max Bialystock at October 07, 2024 05:30 PM (QAkQ3)

232 JW lost me in JW 2 when they showed there apparently are multiple Boogeymen.

There should be only one boogeyman. If everyone is a boogeyman then there is no boogeyman.

Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at October 07, 2024 05:30 PM (D6PGr)

233 > BIAS Is to Blame for Athletic Differences Between Men and Women

So stupid. Every year, dozens of high school men break world record female marks in track and field. There's no bias in laser timed running events. And high school boys don't get nearly the coddling, coaching, and other resources Olympic athletes get.

I'd be really interested to know how bias plays into how much weight an athlete can lift in powerlifting events.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 07, 2024 05:30 PM (lIio7)

234 Pitch Meeting John Wick 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROCXL0ZdiBY

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:31 PM (KRtlO)

235 Well...now that I think about it. It could've been "Slapstick" where he said that.

Hmmm.

I'm pretty sure it was BoC though.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 07, 2024 05:31 PM (eDfFs)

236 230 There's only one or two musicals I can tolerate. One is "Rocky Horror Picture Show"
And the other is "Little Shop of Horrors."
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 07, 2024 05:30 PM (q71LN)

A Funny Thing Happened on the way to the Forum

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:31 PM (QAkQ3)

237 If this was what the fans wanted, then it wouldn't gross 20% of its budget. Note to Hollywood, if you are tired of making these films, great; because the fans have long since moved on.

Posted by: Leland at October 07, 2024 05:31 PM (KVDMz)

238 My retired Marine Sgt father love Paint Your Wagon.

Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at October 07, 2024 05:31 PM (D6PGr)

239 195 Stevie Nicks and Pete Townsend should do a duo album.
Posted by: Braenyard
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Nicks is/was a stronger singer but Pete was the better writer and musician by far.

Stevie had to bear being with all around asshole (creative but asshole) Lindsay Buckingham for a time to get punched around before hitting the bigtime.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:31 PM (bt/Nj)

240
A Funny Thing Happened on the way to the Forum
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:31 PM (QAkQ3)

A tragedy tonight

Posted by: It's me donna at October 07, 2024 05:32 PM (IyPmt)

241 And the fans had an answer to Todd Phillips.

They went on social media and posted the spoiler points of the movie - everywhere.

It was glorious.

Posted by: DaisyB at October 07, 2024 05:32 PM (AbL8c)

242 And the other is "Little Shop of Horrors."
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 07, 2024 05:30 PM (q71LN)
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Steve Martin as the dentist is hilarious.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 07, 2024 05:32 PM (tT6L1)

243 I also think the 'reenvisioning' of classics is a YUGE problem. Taking a classic story or character, then morphing them into something they are not, is an insult to those who like the original.

If you want to tell a different story? fine... don't try to ride on the coat tails of something actually good.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:24 PM (QAkQ3)

It's more than that, it's an act of cultural vandalism intended to discredit any ideas and themes of the original by association.

It's not a new thing. The Confucians did it to the Taoists by claiming that Lao Tzu was a master of the rites who instructed Confucius, and Islam did it by claiming that Jesus would return and tell everyone to convert to Islam.

It's about perverting icons and mythology and twisting them to your cause.

Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at October 07, 2024 05:32 PM (gJKGU)

244 Well her minions say she worked at McDonald's, though she never did so it would be a good learning experience for her future middle class existence

Posted by: Skip at October 07, 2024 05:32 PM (fwDg9)

245 I'd be really interested to know how bias plays into how much weight an athlete can lift in powerlifting events.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 07, 2024 05:30 PM (lIio7)

Even in skill sports, like shooting, or archery, or darts, or Pool...

They still have Men's and Womens divisions.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:32 PM (QAkQ3)

246 Could you imagine the male version, the penis monologues,

It's like the movie "Ass" in Idiocracy only 180°

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 07, 2024 05:32 PM (DwWkT)

247 There should be only one boogeyman. If everyone is a boogeyman then there is no boogeyman.
Posted by: Sebation Melmoth

"John Wick is the man you send to kill the Boogeyman."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2024 05:33 PM (IG4Id)

248 Well Kamala does have experience in the service industry.

Right Willie?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:33 PM (yrMbv)

249
All That Jazz

Posted by: Braenyard at October 07, 2024 05:33 PM (PBwDQ)

250 >>I'd be really interested to know how bias plays into how much weight an athlete can lift in powerlifting events.

Spatial Representation is another one.
There's a reason women never compete successfully in high speed events.
There is no reason women shouldn't be able to compete in disciplines like downhill events if the differences were merely physical.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2024 05:33 PM (0XOcY)

251

""inciting incels" to commit violence, and, even worse, telling men that felt excluded from society that others understood their pain."

Isnt this how rap music works?

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at October 07, 2024 05:33 PM (et1vG)

252 It's about perverting icons and mythology and twisting them to your cause.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at October 07, 2024 05:32 PM (gJKGU)

Yeah, I can't believe that every StarShip Trooper Video game is based on the Movie, not the book.

A movie the director SAID he made to make fun of the book.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:34 PM (QAkQ3)

253 Men are From Mars and Women are from a Planet where they Suck at Sports

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2024 05:34 PM (0XOcY)

254 wait, I think the part with all of the Assassin Currencies might have been John Wick 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDSOiiMaJTE

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:34 PM (KRtlO)

255 I mean... Who looks at a Hollywood sound stage full of frolicking, oiled up twinks in leotards wrestling each other, and says "ya know what? This isn't gay enough! NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!! Get Lady Gaga in here, and some choreographers. We're gonna need some fabulous song and dance numbers. I don't want to see "Liberace" gay. My vision is "Diddy" gay. Make it happen!!

I'll be in my trailer, send a couple of these catamites over."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2024 05:34 PM (awTae)

256 My retired Marine Sgt father love Paint Your Wagon.
Posted by: Sebation Melmoth

Well, it did have manly bad singing performances from Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin.

Comparable to Walter Matthau's dreadful Hello Dolly performance or Pierce Brosnan in Mama Mia.

Had Audrey actually sang in My Fair Lady, it would have been a comparable female version of a train wreck.

One of my favorite musicals that I watch every 4th is 1776.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:34 PM (bt/Nj)

257
Spatial Representation is another one.
There's a reason women never compete successfully in high speed events.
There is no reason women shouldn't be able to compete in disciplines like downhill events if the differences were merely physical.
Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2024 05:33 PM (0XOcY)

That explains the parallel parking thing.

Posted by: Roy at October 07, 2024 05:34 PM (z+ik4)

258 Saw Reagan in the theater. Won't need to go to a movie again for 20 years. That was the time between seeing Return of the King and Reagan.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 07, 2024 05:35 PM (2NHgQ)

259 238 My retired Marine Sgt father love Paint Your Wagon.
Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at October 07, 2024 05:31 PM (D6PGr)

LOL... Paint your Wagon was the LAST movie my whole family went to see...

After that we had Dad Movies, and Mom movies. So us Boys got Bond...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:36 PM (QAkQ3)

260 Who farted???

@Breaking911 4m
DEVELOPING: At least 1 taken to hospital after home explosion in Long Beach, Calif.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2024 05:36 PM (IG4Id)

261 >>>Kamala may want to begin tuning up her resume for a future in the service industry.
Posted by: Divide by Zero
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She could write a book, "You're Never Too Old".

Posted by: Braenyard at October 07, 2024 05:36 PM (PBwDQ)

262 256 Well, it did have manly bad singing performances from Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin.

speaking of manly bad singing performances...

Posted by: pierce brosnan in mama mia! at October 07, 2024 05:36 PM (sGtp+)

263 223 it's a superpower. I dated women who could fall asleep on any bus, train, or plane. what an ability!
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:22 PM (KRtlO)

Um, ace. Don't take this the wrong way, but......
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 07, 2024 05:28 PM (q71LN)

Narcolepsy among young women is far more common than reported.

Posted by: ace's overworked and very frustrated assigned public defender at October 07, 2024 05:36 PM (2+SeL)

264 * throws The King and I in the dvd player*

Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2024 05:37 PM (I1GXe)

265
I really, really think that Kamala worked at a McDonald's. In Canada. The details are so embarrassing she'll never reveal them.

Seems like a good 'writer's forum' sort of exercise...

Since I'm more of a 'Penthouse Letter's' kinda guy, I'm lost...

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2024 05:37 PM (RKVpM)

266 For Halloween and maybe for the Bidet/Kamala admin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUEUfSJ8VWw

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:38 PM (yrMbv)

267 Buy a new garbage disposal. Run the grapes through that. Then you can use a press. You can rig a hydralic jack to press fruit.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 07, 2024 05:38 PM (gfViB)

268 Had Audrey actually sang in My Fair Lady, it would have been a comparable female version of a train wreck.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:34 PM (bt/Nj)
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I'm right here, you know!

Posted by: Lina Lamont at October 07, 2024 05:38 PM (tT6L1)

269 "We have this great idea for Season 3 where Isildur forces an orc woman to have a baby while shrieking that she can't have an abortion because he must control her body."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:59 PM (GBKbO)

who do you think should be cast for the tenor voice?

Posted by: Kindltot at October 07, 2024 05:39 PM (D7oie)

270 I like Gigi and My Fair Lady... Yeah I'm old

Posted by: It's me donna at October 07, 2024 05:39 PM (IyPmt)

271 * throws The King and I in the dvd player*
Posted by: Ben Had

I love "Kiss Me Kate". But then Cole Porter wrote great music and clever lyrics.

Posted by: Tuna at October 07, 2024 05:39 PM (oaGWv)

272 speaking of manly bad singing performances...
Posted by: pierce brosnan in mama mia!

Yep. The era of song and dance men has been over for a while. We never had the music hall tradition as the Brits did and still do to some extent. Vaudeville was the closest we came to it and that came and went with the onset of movies w. sound.

Even theater is dying in the US and making NYC dangerous for all again is not a recipe for it making money.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:39 PM (bt/Nj)

273 I mean... Who looks at a Hollywood sound stage full of frolicking, oiled up twinks in leotards wrestling each other, and says "ya know what? This isn't gay enough! NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!! Get Lady Gaga in here, and some choreographers. We're gonna need some fabulous song and dance numbers. I don't want to see "Liberace" gay. My vision is "Diddy" gay. Make it happen!!
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2024 05:34 PM

You're not from Kansas City, are you?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 07, 2024 05:39 PM (a3Q+t)

274 They say Napoleon had a gift for being able to nap anywhere, even in the midst of a battle.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 07, 2024 05:39 PM (vtRd1)

275 I can stand a few musicals.

I never get tired of The Sound of Music.

I enjoyed Chicago in theaters.

As a child, I liked Xanadu and Grease. But I was also over the moon about Olivia Newton John at the time.

Posted by: But I Am Generally Musical Resistant at October 07, 2024 05:40 PM (2+SeL)

276 >> I like Gigi

Always been a bit Groomer-y, that one.

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2024 05:40 PM (0XOcY)

277 Bye Bye Birdie is my favorite musical.

Hmmmm Ann Margaret.

And We Love You Conrad is my longest lasting ear worm.

I just screwed myself.

Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at October 07, 2024 05:40 PM (D6PGr)

278 Tuna, have you seen " DeLovley" ?

Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2024 05:40 PM (I1GXe)

279 OT-Trump visits a historic Jewish site in NY to mark the anniversary of the attack on Israel 10/7/23

Article from "Legal Insurrection":

https://tinyurl.com/45buj7st

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 07, 2024 05:40 PM (MQJVv)

280 Narcolepsy among young women is far more common than reported.
Posted by: ace's overworked and very frustrated assigned public defender
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We would like to enter this bottle of chloroform in to evidence.

Posted by: And this cloth at October 07, 2024 05:40 PM (2bFN5)

281 My retired Marine Sgt father love Paint Your Wagon.
Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at October 07, 2024 05:31 PM (D6PGr)

Yes. I love that movie. So did my Marine Dad. So, exception to my anti-musical movie thing.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at October 07, 2024 05:40 PM (Ad8y9)

282 The many, many recent cinematic and video game disasters feels sometimes like the only thing that keeps me holding out hope for the future. Reason is a poor way to reach someone. Art tends to bypass this and influence a person below active cognition, for the good or the ill of the artist.

Posted by: Nazdrakke at October 07, 2024 05:41 PM (YsggA)

283 Wizard of Oz

Posted by: Archer at October 07, 2024 05:41 PM (IDphi)

284 I have a slightly different take on Jerker 2. I think it was more a thing where musicals are all the rage — for some reason I can’t fathom — and a weak-minded Phillips believed his own bullshit that he was some kind of genius artiste who could do anything. So he thought he could take very dark, gritty subject matter and turn it into a musical and audiences would swoon at his genius. I think he’s genuinely shocked at the backlash and terrible reviews and box office.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 07, 2024 05:41 PM (8LEvf)

285 || I'm pretty sure it was BoC though.

That's not quite the speech he had in "Jailbird" (which I meant to type rather than "BoC").

Granted, I read it once when it came out, but it had that kind of feel of "Oh, you don't want anything so tired and sensationalist as..."

Dude, I'm too young to be that jaded yet.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at October 07, 2024 05:41 PM (asXVI)

286 37 Die Hollywood die.. Oh.. Looks like they did...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 07, 2024 04:50 PM (IyPmt)

What's the high end for an opening weekend anymore?

Hollywood is never going to exceed what blockbusters used to make. Ever. Again.

Posted by: Auspex at October 07, 2024 05:41 PM (j4U/Z)

287 283 Wizard of Oz
Posted by: Archer at October 07, 2024 05:41 PM (IDphi)

Love that too

Posted by: It's me donna at October 07, 2024 05:41 PM (IyPmt)

288
There was a stage show where guys manipulated their uncircumcised penises to resemble different objects and animals.
Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at October 07, 2024 05:26 PM (D6PGr)

Seriously? I'm sure it's called "art" too.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:41 PM (hLwLr)

289 223 it's a superpower. I dated women who could fall asleep on any bus, train, or plane. what an ability!
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:22 PM (KRtlO)

But you're enough of a gentleman to never take advantage of such a situation, right?

RIGHT?!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 07, 2024 05:42 PM (vtRd1)

290 Fiddler on the Roof

Posted by: Archer at October 07, 2024 05:42 PM (IDphi)

291 > BIAS Is to Blame for Athletic Differences Between Men and Women

So stupid. Every year, dozens of high school men break world record female marks in track and field. There's no bias in laser timed running events. And high school boys don't get nearly the coddling, coaching, and other resources Olympic athletes get.

I'd be really interested to know how bias plays into how much weight an athlete can lift in powerlifting events.
Posted by: bonhomme

You don't see your own unconscious bias right here in this post. It's your purely results-oriented male-centric view that makes you think running events are only about speed, and powerlifting events are only about weight.

Posted by: mikeski isn't sure if he's joking here or not at October 07, 2024 05:42 PM (DgGvY)

292 Yeah, I can't believe that every StarShip Trooper Video game is based on the Movie, not the book.

A movie the director SAID he made to make fun of the book.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:34 PM (QAkQ3)

And because most people don't know / haven't read the book (I'll confess I haven't), most people's idea of "Starship Troopers" is either the movie or one of the games.

That's one form of the hijacking.

The utter desecration that was the Star Wars sequel trilogy is the one I usually point to. All of the classic hero's journey, character growth, sacrifice, redemption, good and evil themes? Gone.

Younger generations might never see the originals because the brand was vandalized. But that's okay, because Hollywood doesn't want people telling stories about standing up to oppressive governments.

Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at October 07, 2024 05:42 PM (gJKGU)

293 >>>And the other is "Little Shop of Horrors."

I rewatched it with the subtitles on. The lyrics are really good. I like the ones in the opening number ("Little Shop of Horrors").

Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 05:42 PM (KRtlO)

294 >>But you're enough of a gentleman to never take advantage of such a situation, right?

More Popcorn for ace...

Posted by: garrett at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (0XOcY)

295 290 Fiddler on the Roof
Posted by: Archer at October 07, 2024 05:42 PM (IDphi)

The Jeffrey Toobin Story

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (vtRd1)

296 230 There's only one or two musicals I can tolerate. One is "Rocky Horror Picture Show"
And the other is "Little Shop of Horrors."
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 07, 2024 05:30 PM (q71LN)

I like both of those but I also like Chicago.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (hLwLr)

297 Trump visits a historic Jewish site in NY to mark the anniversary of the attack on Israe

***********

Literally and figuratively Hitler

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (M7vhK)

298 236 230 There's only one or two musicals I can tolerate. One is "Rocky Horror Picture Show"
And the other is "Little Shop of Horrors."
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 07, 2024 05:30 PM (q71LN)

A Funny Thing Happened on the way to the Forum
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2024 05:31 PM (QAkQ3)

I think you have to be exposed to Rocky Horror when you're young to really enjoy it. I was near 30 when I first saw it and it just didn't "take".

Funny Thing is prolly my favorite.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (LxER7)

299 In my experience, many women, how you say, immediately fall into a deep slumber, and don't even want to, how you say, cuddle.

Posted by: Paolo at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (a3Q+t)

300 Seriously? I'm sure it's called "art" too.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:41 PM (hLwLr)
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Or, "The Little General."

Posted by: Joey Tribbiani at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (tT6L1)

301 270 I like Gigi and My Fair Lady... Yeah I'm old
Posted by: It's me donna
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I have a bad taste in my mouth on Gigi due in part to the lascivious delivery by Louis Jordan of "I Like Little Girls".

Same bad taste watching Irma La Douce and Lemmon's performance in it.

My Fair Lady never gets old nor does the Sound of Music for that matter. Apparently though Christopher Plummer personally called it the Sound of Mucus to his co star Julie Andrews.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (bt/Nj)

302 Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:34 PM (bt/Nj)

I think she trained for it ,and Audrey was quite disappointed her voice was dubbed. Reputedly, she didn't have a bad voice-just not up to the standard of Marni Nixon or Julie Andrews would have been.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (MQJVv)

303 Endymion on YouTube has reported on a new theory about Ubislop's implosion.

Basically Tencent became enough of a shareholder to demand changes. Changes that in the long run have destroyed the value of Ubislop so Tencent can then swoop in and buy Ubislop for cheap.

That does make sense, but at this point Ubislop no longer has a good brand name.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (yrMbv)

304 Rolling stone?

Posted by: See? Nobody cares. at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (QSrLX)

305 Book wise

Armor > Starship Troopers

Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (D6PGr)

306 Like Ace, I am a longtime Bond fan, and I think this attitude is what plagued Daniel Craig's later efforts, especially the egregious No Time to Die. It was a self-important vanity project. Craig stipulation for coming back to do another one was that he get to kill Bond. And Barbara Brocolli, to her everlasting shame, agreed.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at October 07, 2024 05:44 PM (w6p9p)

307
As a child, I liked Xanadu and Grease. But I was also over the moon about Olivia Newton John at the time.
Posted by: But I Am Generally Musical Resistant at October 07, 2024 05:40 PM (2+SeL)

I loved Grease too but we all had a crush on John Travolta.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:44 PM (hLwLr)

308 You don't see your own unconscious bias right here in this post. It's your purely results-oriented male-centric view that makes you think running events are only about speed, and powerlifting events are only about weight.
Posted by: mikeski
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You will go far in a Harris Walz administration but only if you become gay or trans. Male toxicity ya know.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:45 PM (bt/Nj)

309 157 >>South Park did a bit where there was a reality show called “Russel Crowe Fightin’ ‘Round the World”.

Russell Crowe had a Tugboat, though.

nipsey russell rowing around the world > russel crowe fightin' round the world

(row nipsey rusell
row around the world...)

Posted by: the bangles at October 07, 2024 05:45 PM (sGtp+)

310 That does make sense, but at this point Ubislop no longer has a good brand name.
Posted by: Anna Puma

It's about leverage, not making money. The CCP will sell off the IPs and use the money and distribution for their own goals.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2024 05:45 PM (IG4Id)

311 That does make sense, but at this point Ubislop no longer has a good brand name

************

They can restore that name by making good games again

Which means ubitran will actually be worth ten cents in a year

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at October 07, 2024 05:45 PM (M7vhK)

312 285 || I'm pretty sure it was BoC though.

That's not quite the speech he had in "Jailbird" (which I meant to type rather than "BoC").

Granted, I read it once when it came out, but it had that kind of feel of "Oh, you don't want anything so tired and sensationalist as..."

Dude, I'm too young to be that jaded yet.
Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at October 07, 2024 05:41 PM (asXVI)

This comment, I immediately think more cowbell.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:46 PM (hLwLr)

313 And Square Enix will mark Oct 8th as a Pride Day. Plus, they are ruining the sales potential of a cute little game called "Goody Little Two Shoes" by tying it to Pride.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:46 PM (yrMbv)

314 290 Fiddler on the Roof
Posted by: Archer at October 07, 2024 05:42 PM (IDphi)

The Jeffrey Toobin Story
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (vtRd1)

I think that was Fiddler under the Desk

Posted by: Archer at October 07, 2024 05:46 PM (IDphi)

315 The many, many recent cinematic and video game disasters feels sometimes like the only thing that keeps me holding out hope for the future. Reason is a poor way to reach someone. Art tends to bypass this and influence a person below active cognition, for the good or the ill of the artist.

Posted by: Nazdrakke at October 07, 2024 05:41 PM (YsggA)

People are getting mighty tired of paying to be insulted by pedos and other deviants.

If some game and film studios need to be broken to send the message, so be it. They told us "if you don't like it, don't buy it."

For some reason, they never expected us to respond "okay!", and not buy their garbage.

Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at October 07, 2024 05:46 PM (gJKGU)

316 I think she trained for it ,and Audrey was quite disappointed her voice was dubbed. Reputedly, she didn't have a bad voice-just not up to the standard of Marni Nixon or Julie Andrews would have been.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (MQJVv)
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I've seen a clip of "My Fair Lady" with Hepburn undubbed. She had a nice voice, but it's weak. The role required a much larger voice.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at October 07, 2024 05:47 PM (VdhcA)

317 Travolta had his three dancing/ soundtrack movies grouped together. Saturday Night Fever, Urban Cowboy and Grease.

Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at October 07, 2024 05:47 PM (D6PGr)

318 I'd be really interested to know how bias plays into how much weight an athlete can lift in powerlifting events.
Posted by: bonhomme

Even in skill sports, like shooting, or archery, or darts, or Pool...
They still have Men's and Womens divisions.
Posted by: Romeo13

Chess has men's and women's divisions, effectively. I think it's "anybody's" and "women's" divisions, technically.

It's the multi-tasker vs. single-tasker thing. Women's brains don't want to spend 40-80 hours a week, every week, for decades, getting good at one board game. That's for functional autistics, who are almost all male.

Posted by: mikeski at October 07, 2024 05:47 PM (DgGvY)

319 >>>Fiddler on the Roof

Ooooo, I loved Roots!

Don't remember Fiddler ever being shown on a roof, though.

Doesn't matter because I LOVED ROOTS!

(Such a sad story, though).

Posted by: some AWFL at October 07, 2024 05:48 PM (Y1sOo)

320 People are getting mighty tired of paying to be insulted by pedos and other deviants.

********

And also playing and interacting with video game characters who look like something the Thing vomited forth after a night out eating chulapas from Taco Bell

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at October 07, 2024 05:48 PM (M7vhK)

321 I like both of those but I also like Chicago.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (hLwLr)

There are a slew of fun YT shorts of regular people doing the "they both reached for the gun" dance.
My next goal is to learn it too!

Posted by: LASue at October 07, 2024 05:49 PM (lCppi)

322 I think she trained for it ,and Audrey was quite disappointed her voice was dubbed. Reputedly, she didn't have a bad voice-just not up to the standard of Marni Nixon or Julie Andrews would have been.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

They used to show a documentary on the making of it and they had Audrey singing (Wouldn't It be Lovely from memory) and then Marni Nixon. No comparison. Julie Andrews could have done it but Jack Warner demanded casting a known star and Julie's moment was about to arrive via Mary Poppins but not when the casting was done for My Fair Lady. Think Julie was Eliza in the play on Broadway.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:49 PM (bt/Nj)

323 South Park did a bit where there was a reality show called “Russel Crowe Fightin’ ‘Round the World”.

Russell Crowe had a Tugboat, though.

nipsey russell rowing around the world > russel crowe fightin' round the world

(row nipsey rusell
row around the world...)
Posted by: the bangles at October 07, 2024 05:45 PM (sGtp+)
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"My fightin's poetry! Ya don't edit Russell Crowe's poetry, ya testicle!"

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at October 07, 2024 05:49 PM (VdhcA)

324 || I think it was more a thing where musicals are all the rage

Are they? The last (traditional) musical I can think of is "Cats". "Rage-inducing" "all the rage".

|| and a weak-minded Phillips believed his own bullshit that he was some kind of genius artiste

This is a common tale so, yeah. He did the "Hangover" series which is the last successful comedy franchise Hollywood put out. (I don't get it, but there it is.)

|| So he thought he could take very dark, gritty subject matter and turn it into a musical and audiences would swoon at his genius.

I'd have to say that I think this could work, artistically, and fit in really well with the first movie, which had scenes that were real and literal, and others which were just in his head.

So, you do the musical scenes as part of his psychosis. But nobody joins in, in reality, until Harley comes along and shares the psychosis with him.

Haven't seen it, might be what he tried for all I know, but it could work. Artistically, not commercially.

However, 97% of the success of the first movie was the fact that it tied in with the existing character, The Joker, and I don' t know how you capture that same audience with a musical.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at October 07, 2024 05:49 PM (asXVI)

325 If you can't insult your audience, then where's the fun of being a filmmaker?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 07, 2024 05:49 PM (vtRd1)

326 Toobin?

Diddler Under the Desk

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:49 PM (yrMbv)

327 Is dancing required for a film to qualify as a musical?

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 07, 2024 05:50 PM (Dm8we)

328
If some game and film studios need to be broken to send the message, so be it. They told us "if you don't like it, don't buy it."

For some reason, they never expected us to respond "okay!", and not buy their garbage.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at October 07, 2024 05:46 PM (gJKGU)
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People cannot afford to pay good money for a product which delivers no value. 10 years ago, people had the cash to burn so seeing a bad movie wasn't nearly the issue it is today.

My take, anyway.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 07, 2024 05:50 PM (tT6L1)

329 Think Julie was Eliza in the play on Broadway.
Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:49 PM (bt/Nj)
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Yes, I have the original cast recording.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at October 07, 2024 05:50 PM (VdhcA)

330 The Bob’s Burgers Movie is a musical.

It was good if you’re a fan of BB.

Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at October 07, 2024 05:50 PM (D6PGr)

331 It's about leverage, not making money. The CCP will sell off the IPs and use the money and distribution for their own goals.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 07, 2024 05:45 PM (IG4Id)

I think it's a bit more sinister than that. I think the CCP is starting to realize that video games are a huge industry, and making them for the Western market has the potential to spread their cultural and philosophical influences to younger generations.

They're buying a propaganda machine.

Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at October 07, 2024 05:50 PM (gJKGU)

332 "Guys and Dolls" is a fun musical.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 07, 2024 05:50 PM (MQJVv)

333 As a child, I liked Xanadu and Grease. But I was also over the moon about Olivia Newton John at the time.
Posted by: But I Am Generally Musical Resistant
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Grease certainly. Grease II was terrible but Michelle Pfeiffer Cool Rider singing/scene made me tune into that movie a number of times that summer.

Posted by: scampydog at October 07, 2024 05:50 PM (2bFN5)

334 I saw Rocky Horror when I was a teenager... Even as a young guy I was just like "oh, what in the everloving fuck is this crap? *click*"

I never understood what that hype was about.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2024 05:51 PM (awTae)

335
I saw Insulted by Pedos open for Men Without Hats at AWH in '89.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 07, 2024 05:51 PM (eDfFs)

336 She Hobbit and SpongeBro doing " Footloose" is awesome

Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2024 05:51 PM (I1GXe)

337 The Stunning and Brave Artistes hate the material, hate that they're lowering themselves to produce such garbage, and fill their "art" with lots of signals that they're above the material, and that the material is stupid.
____

Yet, the Stunning and Brave Artistes have zero problem taking the millions and millions of dollars for a few months of their precious time to make the movie.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 07, 2024 05:51 PM (2ds6i)

338 I've seen a clip of "My Fair Lady" with Hepburn undubbed. She had a nice voice, but it's weak. The role required a much larger voice.
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This. She sang almost exactly like you'd imagine her singing, and it was very charming.

Marni Nixon could blow the doors off the back of the theater, and that's what was needed.

I think some DVDs have/had an audio track so you can hear Hepburn singing, but I don't think we have the whole soundtrack with her.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at October 07, 2024 05:51 PM (asXVI)

339
About 100% of my brothers and sisters and their offspring are in the bullseye of a Cat 5 hurricane approaching them and they all live a couple miles from the ocean.

It's just a 24 hour nonstop drive for them to seek shelter with me. I guess I should make the offer.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2024 05:51 PM (RKVpM)

340 Like Ace, I am a longtime Bond fan, and I think this attitude is what plagued Daniel Craig's later efforts, especially the egregious No Time to Die. It was a self-important vanity project. Craig stipulation for coming back to do another one was that he get to kill Bond. And Barbara Brocolli, to her everlasting shame, agreed.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at October 07, 2024 05:44 PM
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It takes his Bond out of the timeline. You have the others which was on ongoing series and then you have Craig.

Posted by: Darth Randall at October 07, 2024 05:51 PM (1qSb8)

341 Yes, I have the original cast recording.
Posted by: Captain Obvious
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Another good documentary is the Making of the Sound of Music which I think included as an extra on at least one of the Sound of Music 30th or 40th anniversary dvds or blu rays.

Julie Andrews pretty much narrates it.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:52 PM (bt/Nj)

342 I had a great job working at a theatre in college so I got to see all the traveling shows dozens or sometime hundreds of times. Great fun. I still love Annie, Camelot, Oklahoma A Chorus Line and West Side Story.

Posted by: LASue at October 07, 2024 05:53 PM (lCppi)

343 Is Mel Brooks' The Producers a musical?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:53 PM (yrMbv)

344 I never understood what that hype was about.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2024 05:51 PM (awTae)

I saw it in Berkeley once. Lots of stoned people behaving stupidly. Eh.

Meatloaf's song was good though...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2024 05:53 PM (d9fT1)

345 @324

>>The Joker, and I don' t know how you capture that same audience with a musical.

You could have made it work if you make the movie along the lines of Batman the animated series, but apparently the musical numbers are simply tacked on and don't add anything to the story and simply act to interrupt the flow of the movie.

Essentially Phillips made the film with the express intent of cuck his own career.

Which is weird to say the least.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 07, 2024 05:54 PM (/swV6)

346 whig, I have that edition.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2024 05:54 PM (I1GXe)

347 Is Mel Brooks' The Producers a musical?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:53 PM (yrMbv)

Yes.

I like the movie of the musical better than the original though it's a close call.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 07, 2024 05:54 PM (eDfFs)

348 I never understood what that hype was about.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Same. First movie I walked out of (very early in the movie).

Posted by: scampydog at October 07, 2024 05:55 PM (2bFN5)

349 343 Is Mel Brooks' The Producers a musical?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:53 PM (yrMbv)

the original, not really - it was a comedy about making a bad musical - but there was a later stage version that was a musical, with more numbers in it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2024 05:55 PM (wyMQY)

350 321 I like both of those but I also like Chicago.
Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:43 PM (hLwLr)

There are a slew of fun YT shorts of regular people doing the "they both reached for the gun" dance.
My next goal is to learn it too!
Posted by: LASue at Octob

That sounds fun! I like the song Mr cellphone, that gets stuck in my head. I'm going to search for those videos.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:55 PM (hLwLr)

351 47 Is Mel Brooks' The Producers a musical?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:53 PM (yrMbv)

Springtime for Hitler in Germany.....

Posted by: It's me donna at October 07, 2024 05:55 PM (IyPmt)

352 I wonder if all the Hollywood types who struck last year are regretting the whole strike. They may have gotten some higher pay but the number of productions are significantly down. I for one am not upset, though unfortunately it does give them more time to babble about Harris

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 07, 2024 05:55 PM (ULt7M)

353 I wouldn't go to see "The Joker" anyway, but I certainly don't want to see a musical about villains, except that I saw "Sweeney" Todd" on Broadway and that was entertaining.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 07, 2024 05:56 PM (MQJVv)

354 Is Mel Brooks' The Producers a musical?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:53 PM (yrMbv)

Springtime for Hitler in Germany.....
Posted by: It's me donna at October 07, 2024 05:55 PM (IyPmt)
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We'll have to do something about that third act. They're losing the war!

Posted by: Roger deBris at October 07, 2024 05:57 PM (VdhcA)

355 I think she trained for it ,and Audrey was quite disappointed her voice was dubbed. Reputedly, she didn't have a bad voice-just not up to the standard of Marni Nixon or Julie Andrews would have been.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Marni nixon had a children's show in Seattle I think. A girl in my sorority took voice lessons from her. I don't know why she was stuck mainly behind-the-scenes- maybe that's how she liked it.

Posted by: LASue at October 07, 2024 05:57 PM (lCppi)

356 I saw Rocky Horror when I was a teenager... Even as a young guy I was just like "oh, what in the everloving fuck is this crap? *click*"

I never understood what that hype was about.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2024 05:51 PM (awTae)
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Same the movie was before my time but there were midnight screenings later when I was a young teenager. I had no interest but for whatever reason it attracted a disproportionate amount of cute girls. Where pretty girls are, well you know that I’m around. So I went. Most of the audience was having a great time but I was like wtf?? I can only assume they were high as fuck and/or gay as fuck.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 07, 2024 05:57 PM (8LEvf)

357 You could have made it work if you make the movie along the lines of Batman the animated series, but apparently the musical numbers are simply tacked on and don't add anything to the story and simply act to interrupt the flow of the movie.
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Ouch.

Essentially Phillips made the film with the express intent of cuck his own career.
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Some guys are into that.

I mean, if humiliation is your thing, going from $1B global blockbuster to enormous flop probably can't be beat.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at October 07, 2024 05:57 PM (asXVI)

358 FWIW, Julie Andrews singing "Wouldn't It be Lovely" on the Dick Cavett show clip goes to Youtube. https://tinyurl.com/yrzs2x84

Worth looking up, Carol Burnett and Julie Andrews in comical duets on youtube--they did it quite often on a variety of songs and were good friends.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 05:58 PM (bt/Nj)

359 334 I saw Rocky Horror when I was a teenager... Even as a young guy I was just like "oh, what in the everloving fuck is this crap? *click*"

I never understood what that hype was about.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2024 05:51 PM (awTae)

We would go to the midnight showing of this in San Luis at the Fremont. It was crazy. Early 80s.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 07, 2024 05:58 PM (hLwLr)

360

Made a hell of a lot of cash on MY movies!

Posted by: P. Diddler at October 07, 2024 05:58 PM (S3qms)

361 As soon as I saw "Lady GaGa" was involved, I knew it was a film that I would not be seeing, and one that would be an unserious attempt at a sequel.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at October 07, 2024 05:58 PM (gAuAm)

362 I never understood what that hype was about.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 07, 2024 05:51 PM (awTae)

I saw it in Berkeley once. Lots of stoned people behaving stupidly. Eh.

Meatloaf's song was good though...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 07, 2024 05:53 PM (d9fT1)

Y'all talking about Rocky Horror?

Yeah, I never got that. I saw it with a midnight movie audience....bleh.

Though on the upside, Susan Sarandon was at her peak sexiness then. So, that was nice.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 07, 2024 05:58 PM (eDfFs)

363 313 And Square Enix will mark Oct 8th as a Pride Day. Plus, they are ruining the sales potential of a cute little game called "Goody Little Two Shoes" by tying it to Pride.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 05:46 PM (yrMbv)

Kind of surprising, since they just kicked SweetBaby to the curb.

I was under the impression that Japan (aside from Sony, who seems to enjoy setting stacks of money on fire) was headed away from woke BS.

Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at October 07, 2024 05:59 PM (gJKGU)

364 Posted by: LASue at October 07, 2024 05:57 PM (lCppi)

That's interesting. Maybe she wasn't considered glamorous enough?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 07, 2024 05:59 PM (MQJVv)

365 Lesbian Captain loses ship

https://tinyurl.com/yc5rmxr8

Did she go down with the ship ?

Posted by: jsg at October 07, 2024 05:59 PM (hBlxk)

366 The only thing that 'saves' Rocky Horror is the audience participation

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 07, 2024 06:00 PM (yrMbv)

367 365 Lesbian Captain loses ship

https://tinyurl.com/yc5rmxr8

Did she go down with the ship ?
Posted by: jsg
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The ship did not position her for success.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 06:01 PM (bt/Nj)

368 I was seeing a different movie for the first time in years when the trailer for this came on.
My first thought was that they were trying to shit all over the first movie and anyone that enjoyed it.
Blind squirrel.
You can't hate Hollywood enough.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at October 07, 2024 06:02 PM (elaR+)

369 Apocalypse Now has that musical dance number at the end.

Posted by: Accomack at October 07, 2024 06:02 PM (tLPHV)

370 I love Singin' in the Rain

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies' Brigade plucky comic relief at October 07, 2024 06:02 PM (SRRAx)

371 The Young Frankenstein stage musical is fantastic. All the goodness of the movie with great songs added.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 07, 2024 06:02 PM (gYHPZ)

372 366 The only thing that 'saves' Rocky Horror is the audience participation
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Saw in DC in Georgetown way back in the day at midnight of course. Fun enough but definitely a one time amusement.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 06:02 PM (bt/Nj)

373 I love Singin' in the Rain
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies' Brigade plucky comic relief at October 07, 2024 06:02 PM (SRRAx)
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It's a good 'un.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at October 07, 2024 06:02 PM (VdhcA)

374 Teresa, me too.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 07, 2024 06:03 PM (I1GXe)

375 I will see all of your bad singers in musicals, and raise you Russell Crowe in Les Miserables.

Good Lord, was he awful!!! That role requires a powerhouse bass to give Javert the proper menace he deserves, and he just doesn't have the chops. Especially not next to hugh jackman, who has charisma to spare when he sings. Utter miscast, even though Crowe looks the part on paper.

Posted by: LizLem at October 07, 2024 06:03 PM (qqQuL)

376 NOOD

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 07, 2024 06:03 PM (FnneF)

377
Milton's intensification, now deemed explosive, continued, reaching winds of 175 mph (280 km/h) and a minimum pressure of 911 millibars by 18:00 UTC,[17] and 180 mph (285 km/h) and a pressure of 905 millibars three hours later. [18]

Get the hell out of Dodge. Below 900 is really, really bad. Historic level of damage.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 07, 2024 06:04 PM (RKVpM)

378 370 I love Singin' in the Rain
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth

Ditto, apparently though Debbie Reynolds did not enjoy making it with Kelley and O'Connor.

"Make Them Laugh" is a tour de force in comedic dancing by O'Connor in that movie.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 06:04 PM (bt/Nj)

379
I saw Lesbian Captain Loses Ship open for Not Drowning, Waving at the State Theater in Sydney in "91.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 07, 2024 06:05 PM (eDfFs)

380 Old & eclectic. Some musicals I liked:

Cabaret
Annie Get Your Gun
Kiss Me Kate
All That Jazz
Oklahoma
Call Me Madame
Guys and Dolls
(others)

Posted by: mnw at October 07, 2024 06:06 PM (NLIak)

381 They did a winston origin it wasnt very good

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 07, 2024 06:07 PM (PXvVL)

382 There's a really good musical out, if you can catch it, about 9-11 and the true story of people stuck in Newfoundland Canada during the attacks, when also the planes were grounded. It's called Come From Away. Really touching.

Posted by: LizLem at October 07, 2024 06:07 PM (qqQuL)

383 Nood, some tiresome twit and CBS groveling to him after an interview.

Posted by: whig at October 07, 2024 06:09 PM (bt/Nj)

384 Although the rest of the movie doesn't quite hold up to the start, I think the opening theme to Carousel (The Carousel Waltz) is one of the greatest musical openings ever. Dire Straits included a bit of it at the start of "Tunnel of Love".

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 07, 2024 06:09 PM (wyMQY)

385 Marni Nixon plays one of the nuns in Sound of Music.

Some people speculated that Julie Andrew's won her Academy Award for Mary Poppins because she was passed over for the My Fair Lady movie

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies' Brigade plucky comic relief at October 07, 2024 06:11 PM (SRRAx)

386 25 >>>18 I'm not sure, but Critical Drinker's post mortem on Season 2 of Rings of Power suggests that he's not on board with it. How long do these idiots think they can continue to burn through vast gobs of Other People's Money?

amazon hasn't greenlighted season 3 yet.
Posted by: ace at October 07, 2024 04:49 PM (KRtlO)

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They greenlit season 2 right before season 1 started, but they're dragging their feet on the decision for season 3?

I'd be surprised if it got greenlit now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 07, 2024 04:51 PM (GBKbO)

Disparu hardest hit

Posted by: Oldcat at October 07, 2024 06:29 PM (n7h9X)

387 This shouldn't shock anybody.

Never has the propaganda been more blatant.

Remember all the leftists losing their minds when Joker first came out screaming that 'THEY WANT THE INCELS TO RIOT?!??!'

I'd argue the first one didn't have a message, it was just a story about a mentally ill guy being destroyed by society.

But if there were any message, it was, 'the government and the system are broken, and if you feel betrayed by the system, burn it down'.

Now the 'message' of the sequel is, 'if you dare try and rebel against the system we'll make sure you get gangraped and murdered in prison'.

Never has the propaganda been so blatant.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at October 07, 2024 06:31 PM (lCHt6)

388 At least Twister had a tornado in a trailer park.

Posted by: torabora at October 07, 2024 06:32 PM (slx38)

389 I think it's a bit more sinister than that. I think the CCP is starting to realize that video games are a huge industry, and making them for the Western market has the potential to spread their cultural and philosophical influences to younger generations.

They're buying a propaganda machine.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at October 07, 2024 05:50 PM (gJKGU)

I think video game viewers are inoculated against a lot of propaganda since our industry keeps forcing woke crap on them and they don't like it. But if the CCP can make good games, well fine.

That said, an MMO I play has a race that are blind mole people who are communist. They speak about the "Moletariat" all the time.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 07, 2024 06:40 PM (n7h9X)

390 I will see all of your bad singers in musicals, and raise you Russell Crowe in Les Miserables.

Good Lord, was he awful!!! That role requires a powerhouse bass to give Javert the proper menace he deserves, and he just doesn't have the chops. Especially not next to hugh jackman, who has charisma to spare when he sings. Utter miscast, even though Crowe looks the part on paper.
Posted by: LizLem at October 07, 2024 06:03 PM (qqQuL)

Lee Marvin in Paint Your Wagon probably still wins

Posted by: Oldcat at October 07, 2024 06:42 PM (n7h9X)

391 🍓Here you can undress a Girl and see her Naked) Please check it out ➤ https://ja.cat/nudisy

Posted by: erottus at October 07, 2024 06:42 PM (MUVsb)

392 As soon as I saw "Lady GaGa" was involved, I knew it was a film that I would not be seeing, and one that would be an unserious attempt at a sequel.
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at October 07, 2024 05:58 PM (gAuAm)

The 'hate' reviewers said Lady G was fine, for the most part. The problems lay elsewhere.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 07, 2024 06:44 PM (n7h9X)

393 My local theatre shows a lot of oldies because they are cheap to obtain. This week it's the1956 Invasion of Body Snatchers
Posted by: Accomack at October 07, 2024 05:24 PM (tLPH

My theater is running it on the 21st. Psycho on the 30th and 31st. Saw Psycho for the first time in 1960 when I was 13. Been a film buff all my life, so these two are on my list to see. Two flicks that must me seen on the big screen.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at October 07, 2024 06:45 PM (iODuv)

394 Saw it. It is shitty. Could not wait for it to end. Every stupid song broke the illusion.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at October 07, 2024 08:14 PM (Z8Yh2)

395 With the Bond movies, they've always had an 'over the top' and humorous, British vibe to them. It's what they always were. In fact Craig is really a terrible Bond because he's so serious. A good Bond needs a bit of sillyness and knowing nods to the audience.

Posted by: Bluekollar at October 07, 2024 08:41 PM (OxfnK)

396 I hated the first one which I shut off about fifteen minutes in. I won't bother with a second of this one.

Posted by: leber at October 07, 2024 11:46 PM (rovGg)

397 Film noir is dead, and hollywood is dying, people are losing their jobs, too much woke garbage, gay day is over, if they don't sober up and clean up their act and let the sun shine in, they may as well put the studios up for sale and go find a different line of work.

Posted by: bert33 at October 08, 2024 03:38 AM (U0G2U)

398 Yes, a tragedy, as in the protagonist sows the seeds of his own downfall in Act I, the pitch meeting.

Posted by: rechill at October 08, 2024 09:38 AM (4PBYb)

399 THE KILLING JOKE

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at October 08, 2024 04:53 PM (wGqjj)

400 I'm curious to find out what blog platform you have been working with?
I'm having some minor security issues with my latest website and I'd
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Posted by: adulte at October 19, 2024 05:06 PM (1FTNj)

401 I could not refrain from commenting. Very well written!

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