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Back at the dawn of time - which is to say, a few years ago - when an AI didn't know how to answer a question it would say it didn't know how to answer the question. Either that or tie itself into knots, spit out an entire ream of gibberish, and crash.

AIs today are much more sophisticated. Like many humans when they don't know how to answer a question, they lie. (Ars Technica)

This is what you get when you reward answers rather than accuracy. It's the comment spam problem all over again.

What's worse, the more advanced the AI - the larger its training set - the stronger the tendency to lie.

And the more effort that is put into supervising the AI after the bulk training - a process called alignment - the stronger the tendency to lie and get away with it.

It's not really lying, of course, since the current crop of commercial AIs have no intentionality. It's just that they also have no concept of truth, and the way they are trained rewards giving answers, not just giving the right answer.

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SSD capacity could quadruple by 2029 as the number of layers in flash memory chips continues to increase. (Tom's Hardware)

Before the development of multi-layer flash cells, SSDs had a real problem. We couldn't make the cells any smaller or they would leak - in fact, they were already leaking, and the newest SSDs were slower and less reliable than the previous generation.

The first multi-layer cells were significantly larger than in the chips they replaced, which made them faster and more robust, but the multiple layers provided much more storage in the same size chip.

If you don't want to wait five years, though, you could just buy four SSDs.
Chinese state hackers reportedly gained access to the US wiretap system. (MSN)

So if the DOJ was listening in on your conversations, so was the CCP.
Plastic-eating bacteria could combat pollution and possibly also utterly destroy civilisation. (MSN)

Scientists say that the latter scenario is "unlikely".
California has passed a law protecting "brain information". (GovTech)

So if you are trapped in an advanced VR game where if you die in the game you die in real life, you can rest assured that the company that created the game cannot legally sell your neural scans.
The latest HP OmniBook 14 Ultra isn't bad. (Notebook Check)

It lacks the Four Essential Keys and the screen is a 2240x1400 IPS model with a 60Hz refresh rate and 100% sRGB colour, which is good but nothing amazing.

But it has a twelve core Ryzen AI 9 HX 375, 32GB of RAM, and a 2TB SSD.

According to the article it costs around $1050, which is reasonable for those specs, but I was unable to find that exact configuration in HP's online store.

Disclaimer: Senzawa is following Dooby3d and all is right with the world.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at 04:00 AM

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1 BOING!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 06, 2024 04:02 AM (rpxMe)

2 Boing indeed.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 06, 2024 04:04 AM (BLOW1)

3 Boing in need is a boing indeed.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 06, 2024 04:07 AM (rpxMe)

4 Where are the sleepless?

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 06, 2024 04:08 AM (rpxMe)

5 "California has passed a law protecting "brain information"
---------

Too late. There are no brains there & the information is all gone.

Posted by: JQ at October 06, 2024 04:08 AM (njWTi)

6 Sleepless?

Raising my hand...

*present*

Posted by: JQ at October 06, 2024 04:10 AM (njWTi)

7 Great.

I killed another thread.

Posted by: JQ at October 06, 2024 04:17 AM (njWTi)

8 Gotta go to the hardware store. Some home fixing upping to do. l8r.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 06, 2024 04:19 AM (rpxMe)

9 It's just pining for the fjords.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 06, 2024 04:20 AM (BLOW1)

10 Mutant 59 The Plastic Eater
been there, done that.

Posted by: slicksister at October 06, 2024 04:21 AM (3ceQJ)

11 Sorry, Pixy, I do not (knowingly) click on MSN.

Plastic-eating bacteria? Doesn't sound very good to me.

Posted by: JQ at October 06, 2024 04:27 AM (njWTi)

12 Good morning, good people from the Fall Adirondacks. Colors are burgeoning, birds are gathering preparatory to migration, the geese most noisily.

Not a lot of interest on my part for water fowling any more since I lost my beloved Elizabeth Lab. Simply isn't near the same.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at October 06, 2024 04:43 AM (hKoQL)

13 I've had a number of HP laptops, some new, some used, and I've always had really good luck with the quality of the machines. They don't seem to break as much, and they last longer.

Posted by: meh at October 06, 2024 04:44 AM (iZ1Vx)

14 Plastic-eating bacteria could combat pollution and possibly also utterly destroy civilisation. (MSN)

Scientists say that the latter scenario is "unlikely".
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I've read that book. It doesn't end well.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 06, 2024 04:46 AM (BpYfr)

15 I think today I get a chance to test an old theory:

Nuclear Gandhi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Gandhi

Namaste, Mother Fuckers.

Posted by: meh at October 06, 2024 04:46 AM (iZ1Vx)

16 I killed another thread.
Posted by: JQ at October 06, 2024 04:17 AM (njWTi)
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It knows what it did.

It had it coming.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 06, 2024 04:47 AM (BpYfr)

17 "Senzawa is following Dooby3d and all is right with the world."

But, but, but Keekihime isn't, so she MUST hate her!

/sarc.

Posted by: cheshirecat at October 06, 2024 04:53 AM (TwA+r)

18 Always wondered about those people that would lie, instead of simply admitting they don't know. WTH?

It's so much easier to shrug and say "I don't know" than to come up with some fabrication.

*shrug*

Guess I'm just too lazy to invent fairytales.

Posted by: JQ at October 06, 2024 04:58 AM (njWTi)

19 G'Day everyone

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2024 05:00 AM (fwDg9)

20 Birdbath status?

Posted by: Just Wondering at October 06, 2024 05:02 AM (dg+HA)

21
g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 06, 2024 05:11 AM (tljrc)

22 Morning, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: olddog in mo at October 06, 2024 05:15 AM (hoCmQ)

23 OK, I'm back after a 3 hr nap. What did I miss except the coming of the Andromeda Strain?

Posted by: Ciampino - we already have petroleum-eaters at October 06, 2024 05:17 AM (qfLjt)

24 G'morning, all.

Our son and his wife had a safe drive back from Nashville to Virginia Beach yesterday.

Havn't talked to him yet to see what sort of heavy vehicle traffic hey saw up around Rt-40 and the storm zone..

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 06, 2024 05:19 AM (a1415)

25 And both of the kittens have apparently decided that 5:00am is a perfectly acceptable time for the first attack of the zoomies.

Sounds like Thunderhoof and Lightfoot going through the house.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 06, 2024 05:21 AM (a1415)

26 You can't just say 'plastics', they can't be lumped all together. We have polyethylene and polypropylene, which are essentially just hydrocarbons (CH); then synthetic rubber, which is hydrocarbon + sulfur crosslinks; then esters, which resemble fats and oils; nylon types which look like proteins; cellulose materials that look like ..... cellulose. You get the idea.

Posted by: Ciampino - we already have petroleum-eating bugs at October 06, 2024 05:24 AM (qfLjt)

27 Rescuing a dog from tree after the flood.

https://tinyurl.com/5b7ats3b

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 06, 2024 05:26 AM (a1415)

28 Did you just call me fat?

Posted by: Esther at October 06, 2024 05:27 AM (dg+HA)

29 Slow this morning. Maybe I could go and watch some uTube. listen to some good music?Friday I listened to a few orchestrated Ravel's Bolero which were wonderful. I've always loved that piece.

Posted by: Ciampino - music really is food for the soul at October 06, 2024 05:29 AM (qfLjt)

30 @28 Heh

Posted by: olddog in mo at October 06, 2024 05:30 AM (hoCmQ)

31 28 Did you just call me fat?

Posted by: Esther at October 06, 2024 05:27 AM (dg+HA)
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Indeed I did. You should eat more nylon. And stop lisping.

Posted by: Ciampino - I forgot the ethers at October 06, 2024 05:31 AM (qfLjt)

32 Did you just call me fat?
Posted by: Esther at October 06, 2024 05:27 AM (dg+HA)
-

Wanna cracker?

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 06, 2024 05:31 AM (rpxMe)

33 The husband and wife that originally owned our two new felines are working with the local church to put together aid packages for up in Ashville.

I may wind up flying up there with the husband to make a delivery of packets in the next few days.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 06, 2024 05:32 AM (a1415)

34 > Senzawa is following Dooby3d and all is right with the world.

Also Shachimu

Posted by: Vanishingly Rare Foreign Youkai at October 06, 2024 05:33 AM (eeua8)

35 Since my teens I have noticed that I tend to love music pieces that introduce the various instruments one by one and slowly build up to the full band, ensemble or orchestra. Bolero is one of the finest examples.

Posted by: Ciampino - can't play but love music at October 06, 2024 05:36 AM (qfLjt)

36 33 Do you have 'government approval'? A permit? A pew-pew stick for the excise agents?

Posted by: Ciampino - just as the moonshiners did at October 06, 2024 05:38 AM (qfLjt)

37 *music pieces that introduce the various instruments one by one and slowly build up to the full band, ensemble or orchestra.*

Hmmm ...

Posted by: Musical flash mobs at October 06, 2024 05:41 AM (dg+HA)

38 "Do you have 'government approval'? A permit? A pew-pew stick for the excise agents? "

The husband has done things like this using his plane before, so I am putting my faith in him (and God) that all will be addressed.

But....yours is a fair question in today's bold new world. unburdened by that which has been.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 06, 2024 05:43 AM (a1415)

39 37
One of the Bolero pieces was in fact a musical flash mob. Excellent.

Posted by: Ciampino - suddenly a flash mob at October 06, 2024 05:43 AM (qfLjt)

40 I always run the plastic eating bacteria free gasoline in my lawn mowers and chain saws.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 06, 2024 05:53 AM (DDGz9)

41 Poly-aramids that look like Weasel's going-out shirt...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 06, 2024 05:55 AM (DDGz9)

42 Sleepless in SF, which is because while it's a pleasant 66 outside, it's still in the 70's inside b/c it hit 93 yesterday. Ugh.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 06, 2024 05:56 AM (KAi1n)

43 G'mornin' Horde.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 06, 2024 06:00 AM (O7YUW)

44 Someone just really wants the world to take on a steampunk aesthetic by going back to using brass for everything we use plastic for now.

Buy copper futures.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 06, 2024 06:00 AM (DDGz9)

45 Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at October 06, 2024 06:01 AM (VdhcA)

46 Old and busted: revenuers

New Hotness: raveners.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 06, 2024 06:02 AM (DDGz9)

47 I was reading a ZH article on protein powder earlier. Even in an article like that you still get jew-hate in the comments. Not as much, but man that's an ecumenical bunch of antisemites.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 06, 2024 06:03 AM (KAi1n)

48
Plastic-eating bacteria could combat pollution and possibly also utterly destroy civilisation. (MSN)

Scientists say that the latter scenario is "unlikely".

Scientists, you will remember, are the same far-seeing, thoughtful, and morally impeccable sports that pursuing gain of function research with bat viruses was equally safe and fire consequences were unlikely.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2024 06:03 AM (VzvgM)

49 Someone just really wants the world to take on a steampunk aesthetic by going back to using brass for everything we use plastic for now.

Buy copper futures.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 06, 2024 06:00 AM (DDGz9)
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Aliens on the moon. It's the premise behind John Barnes' Daybreak series of novels. Not even making that up.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 06, 2024 06:03 AM (BpYfr)

50 Steampunk is cool but the aesthetic is way too brown.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 06, 2024 06:04 AM (KAi1n)

51
Plastic-eating bacteria could combat pollution and possibly also utterly destroy civilisation. (MSN)

Scientists say that the latter scenario is "unlikely".

Scientists, you will remember, are the same far-seeing, thoughtful, and morally impeccable sports that thought that pursuing gain of function research with bat viruses was equally safe and dire consequences were unlikely.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2024 06:05 AM (VzvgM)

52 Morning and evening to all the early risers and Sunday toilers!

I'm up with a mild but fading eyestrain headache -- possibly because of all the REM sleep I got last night. There was a colorful dream in which I woke up two hours late for work because someone I knew from work had come over to borrow a book. He'd brought his relatives and several of my other co-workers. One of them left open the front door of my apartment (which was huge, unlike my real one), and Stirling and Dagny got out. Dagny I collared and brought back in, while one of visitors tracked Stirling down and returned him. Meanwhile I'm getting dressed, no time for breakfast, and I told Miss Linda (she'd come over too), "Keep an eye on these people." I was looking for my Oldsmobile coupe in the apartment parking lot when I woke up.

Maybe melatonin works too well for me.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 06, 2024 06:07 AM (omVj0)

53 "...equally safe and fire consequences were unlikely."

That's what "experts" said about me.

Posted by: Mrs. O'Leary's cow at October 06, 2024 06:08 AM (dg+HA)

54 Everything is a photo op. CCC uploaded four photos of a crew digging trenches and laying those straw wattle snakes to divert and absorb toxic debris from house fires entering a creek.

https://tinyurl.com/yeaxarhp

The bottom left image shows the crew scratching dirt. One laborer is using a mcleod, another a short handled entrenching shovel and one doing something odd with an ax. And three others bullshitting and hold stuff.

Posted by: 13times at October 06, 2024 06:10 AM (2g3Eg)

55 Friday I listened to a few orchestrated Ravel's Bolero which were wonderful. I've always loved that piece.
Posted by: Ciampino - music really is food for the soul at October 06, 2024

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Me too . . . though in my case I'll always think of the sequence in Blake Edwards' 10 w/ Bo Derek. And the night Mrs. Wolfus No. 2 and I played it and . . . well, I won't go into detail, this is a family blog.

YooToob can be a fantastic resource.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 06, 2024 06:10 AM (omVj0)

56 And three others bullshitting and hold stuff.
Posted by: 13times at October 06, 2024 06:10 AM (2g3Eg)

I can't fault them too much. No one can dig with hands tools non stop for very long. Two crews of three swapping out sounds perfectly fine. If it were me I'd almost rather be three crews of two.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 06, 2024 06:14 AM (DDGz9)

57 Close communion- a Christian devotional on holy communion, communion with Christ and family closeness between a father and a toddler. Scripture: Matthew 23:37-39.

https://tinyurl.com/3drcasy2

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 06, 2024 06:20 AM (uqMTk)

58 ...but it does very much resemble a bunch of volunteers who don't exactly know what they're doing, doing something that isn't going to do very much.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 06, 2024 06:21 AM (DDGz9)

59
I have no need of one myself (at least not yet), but having watched yesterday a craftsman shape what eventually would become a hammer's head using a power hammer, it would be great fun to work with one.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2024 06:21 AM (VzvgM)

60 Phrases that come from the Bible:

https://tinyurl.com/rap9h9ba

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 06, 2024 06:24 AM (uqMTk)

61
The bottom left image shows the crew scratching dirt. One laborer is using a mcleod, another a short handled entrenching shovel and one doing something odd with an ax. And three others bullshitting and hold stuff.
Posted by: 13times

The Highlander Rule: "There can be only one (at work)."

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2024 06:27 AM (VzvgM)

62 It’s performative bullshit. Mattocks should be used, not mcleods. Axes are not entrenching tools.

Short handled entrenching tools are a poor choice versus an ordinary shovel. It’s not like this is an airborne hotspot jump team.

460,000 acres burned and CCC is jerking off.

Posted by: 13times at October 06, 2024 06:30 AM (xljv1)

63 The yootoober "Wilson Forest Land" has some decent videos on forestry, especially on how uncle sam's approach to land management is running the forests. In a nut shell, putting out all the small, trivial, natural fires for a hundred years means all that fuel of fallen leaves and needles piles up and leads to massive, catastrophic wildfires. Trees can easily survive the former, but not the latter.

He's also pretty funny.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 06, 2024 06:31 AM (DDGz9)

64 I’m just pissed off with the whole affair.

Posted by: 13times at October 06, 2024 06:31 AM (xljv1)

65
Trying to type with the device's screen dimmed as much as possible so as not to awaken the missus is just begging for misspeaking doozies such as "fire consequences".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2024 06:32 AM (VzvgM)

66 Last night I got something of a workout. Miss Linda dragged me to an "Art For Art's Sake" event in an uptown shopping district. They do this a couple of times a year. Galleries and other shops stay open late and offer free wine, cheese, and crackers. Scads of free-range people wander in and out, eat at cafes and restaurants, teeter around mildly drunk, and (in the case of some of the women) show off their style. Some, I repeat. Like many of the men, a lot of the women looked like good candidates for Wegovy or Jardiance plus a solid exercise regime.

It was nice to get out . . . but I keep imagining how much more interesting it would be to visit a district I haven't seen a thousand times and discover some new shops and street names.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 06, 2024 06:32 AM (omVj0)

67 Good morning morons.

Had schnitzy for dinner tonight to watch the footy finale at the North Bondi RSL.

I have no idea what any of that means, ask Pixy.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 06, 2024 06:34 AM (zG664)

68 I feel like I should go start the chainsaw and run around the yard but the energy to do it just isn't there.

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2024 06:36 AM (fwDg9)

69 68 I feel like I should go start the chainsaw and run around the yard but the energy to do it just isn't there.
Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2024 06:36 AM (fwDg9)

Yurp.

Same boat, here.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 06, 2024 06:37 AM (DDGz9)

70 Fun tip: you never have to clean up a downed tree if you just call it a "habitat pile".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 06, 2024 06:45 AM (DDGz9)

71
Everything is a photo op. CCC uploaded four photos of a crew digging trenches and laying those straw wattle snakes to divert and absorb toxic debris from house fires entering a creek.

https://tinyurl.com/yeaxarhp

The bottom left image shows the crew scratching dirt. One laborer is using a mcleod, another a short handled entrenching shovel and one doing something odd with an ax. And three others bullshitting and hold stuff.
Posted by: 13times

That's a common posting of "work photos" taken by someone having no idea how to take effective and meaningful photos. The upper right photo of someone washed out of view by overwhelming sunlight backlighting was a beaut.

A desultory and bureaucratic effort. And where were the tie-wearing politicos holding clearly brand new shovels to show their solidarity with the working hoi polloi?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2024 06:48 AM (VzvgM)

72 Did Trump's rally at Butler, PA, go off well? I heard Elon Musk was there and spoke to the crowd, saying "We have a president who can't find a flight of stairs and another president who was fist-pumping after being shot," or words to that effect.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 06, 2024 06:53 AM (omVj0)

73 Coffee and chocolate for breakfast

Posted by: Accomack at October 06, 2024 06:53 AM (tLPHV)

74 FOSS game engine Godot continues to pull a Ubislop.

After a moderator went rogue and banned probably thousands of accounts, they have continued to double down on the hate and the claim Godot itself is the victim.

And now the founder Juan, on Mastodon *giggle*, has tripled down on playing the victim card while calling all the detractors anime Loli lovers.

Juan, go get forked. And take your stupid game engine with you.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2024 06:56 AM (cBEJ0)

75 I thought running with chainsaws was frowned upon in this establishment.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 06, 2024 07:02 AM (dg+HA)

76 Juggling with running chainsaws is frowned upon greatly.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2024 07:05 AM (cBEJ0)

77 A desultory and bureaucratic effort.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2024 06:48 AM (VzvgM)

Governor’s Office of Emergency Services. They remind us plebs to drink water when it’s hot outside.

Posted by: 13times at October 06, 2024 07:05 AM (Y9FAc)

78
{i]🚨 Trump just sent a message to the Deep State

Just after Trumps speech, Opera Singer Sings “Nessun Dorma”

Nessun Dorma is played at the end of the film The Sum of All Fears, in which time ALL the traitors & Deep State Actors were executed.

https://is.gd/UilBZx

/ this is not the time to be subtle

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 06, 2024 07:06 AM (RKVpM)

79 Will FEMA run out of money for Milton?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2024 07:08 AM (cBEJ0)

80 Desultory and bureaucratic is no way to go through life, son.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at October 06, 2024 07:09 AM (dg+HA)

81 "What's worse, the more advanced the AI - the larger its training set - the stronger the tendency to lie.

And the more effort that is put into supervising the AI after the bulk training - a process called alignment - the stronger the tendency to lie and get away with it."

Interesting. That differs from much of current human pedagogy, which rewards the regurgitation (and/or politically correct permution) of the revolutionary dialectic. The dialectic is primarily readily demonstrable to be lies and half truths; the demonstration of this is strongly discouraged.

Posted by: Peter B at October 06, 2024 07:10 AM (kDO0w)

82 Well, that is embarrassing, New Zealand warship runs aground off Samoa and sinks.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2024 07:11 AM (cBEJ0)

83 The dialectic is primarily readily demonstrable to be lies and half truths; the demonstration of this is strongly discouraged.
Posted by: Peter B at October 06, 2024 07:10 AM (kDO0w)

"You're just not smart enough to understand."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 06, 2024 07:12 AM (DDGz9)

84 Pixy-misa, Arthur C. Clarke was a prophet.

Dr. Chandra, "HAL was told to lie, by people who find it easy to lie."

Today's 'AIs' are the ultimate expression of GIGO. No wonder Mark Cuban likes it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2024 07:15 AM (cBEJ0)

85 There's a picture going around of Trump, Vance, and Musk, all standing around yukking it up over something. Trump is the shortest of the three. He isn't a short dude. Interesting. The man with the legendary ego flanks himself with two of the biggest symbols of young masculine charm going at the moment. I think it's a promising indicator of where his head is at these days. Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 06, 2024 07:16 AM (DDGz9)

86 Morning peeps

Change coming today... supposed to get more fall-like. Might see some temperatures in the 30's come Monday and Tuesday mornings.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 06, 2024 07:20 AM (Q4IgG)

87 @74/Anna Puma: "FOSS game engine Godot continues to pull a Ubislop. "

Heckler & Koch's had something similar happen to them. Their response was quick and prudent:

https://x.com/HecklerAndKoch/
status/1658959377632559104

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 06, 2024 07:27 AM (O7YUW)

88 Change coming today... supposed to get more fall-like. Might see some temperatures in the 30's come Monday and Tuesday mornings.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 06, 2024

***
I dream of a climate where that happens in October.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 06, 2024 07:28 AM (omVj0)

89
Just listen to this and tell me this isn't the greatest ending of any of Trump's rallies ever recorded as we are treated to the heavenly sounds of Hallelujah, Nessun Dorma, and America the Beautiful by the voice of a literal angel.

https://is.gd/pBBitj

/ mea culpa: yesterday I reported that Kamala had 67 people attend a rally on her behalf. It was misinformation as in reality a much larger crowd of 47 attended.
/ chocolate ration

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 06, 2024 07:29 AM (RKVpM)

90 "We have 32 days before the election..."

*teleprompter malfunctions*

Soooo, we have 32 days before the election. Thirty-two days. We have 32 days to go before the election.

And, so, 32 days...which means tomorrow it will be, um, 31 days. And when you think about that, 31 days is like a month. Which means when we wake up tomorrow there will be a month to go before the election."

Posted by: Kamala Harris in Flint, Michigan at October 06, 2024 07:34 AM (Y1sOo)

91 I wonder how bad things really are in NC. I ma guessing there are maybe 1000 or more dead and missing. And the cleanup will take 10 years.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 07:34 AM (gbOdA)

92 I watched the rally and that's almost exactly what musk said. JD eviscerated Harris and Walz. Trump was his usual rambly self. The crowd looked enormous and sang the national anthem while waiting when Trump stopped for some medical issue in the crowd.
And he did start off saying "as I was saying, I love that chart"

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 07:35 AM (4XwPj)

93 https://kamalawordsaladgenerator.com/

Kam’la word salad generator.

Posted by: 13times at October 06, 2024 07:36 AM (Y/Z+w)

94 Texas: October 7, 2024 (No online registration)

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 07:37 AM (gbOdA)

95
@bennyjohnson
CHILLS: Donald Trump asks for a moment of silence at 6:11, the time shots rang out, as ‘Ave Maria’ is sung 🙏🏻

https://is.gd/DP1soL

/ a tribute to Corey, the firefighter murdered

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 06, 2024 07:38 AM (RKVpM)

96 So if the DOJ was listening in on your conversations, so was the CCP.

Soooo, not only could I bore a few hundred DOJ agents to death,

I bored a few million Chicoms to death.

Mission accomplished....I guess.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 06, 2024 07:38 AM (eDfFs)

97 October 7 was my mom's birthday.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 07:38 AM (4XwPj)

98 https://www.nass.org/can-I-vote

pls check you reg

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 07:38 AM (gbOdA)

99 That was a great Trump rally yesterday.

He really was on his game.

But, then we got the cherry on the top with Elon Musk cheerleading the vote, and the great opera guy.

Nice! Good feelings all around.

Go out and vote!

Posted by: naturalfake at October 06, 2024 07:40 AM (eDfFs)

100 100

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 07:40 AM (gbOdA)

101 I wonder how bad things really are in NC. I ma guessing there are maybe 1000 or more dead and missing. And the cleanup will take 10 years.
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 07:34 AM (gbOdA)

Exaggerate we much.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 06, 2024 07:41 AM (g8Ew8)

102 Once again, I woke up at 3:00 AM and couldn't get back to sleep. My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is (probably) ruined. Also, I need to cook soup for the church potluck, but I don't want to start banging around pots and pans while Mrs. Pablo is still asleep.

Posted by: PabloD at October 06, 2024 07:41 AM (NGHh4)

103 Scott Pressler was at the rally encouraging people to register and vote. Musk: I know I'm repeating myself but this is so important. I truly believe that if we do not elect President Trump this will be the last election. Vote! Vote!

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 07:43 AM (4XwPj)

104 Kammie winging it after her teleprompter goes on the fritz:

https://tinyurl.com/mu9h47hf

Posted by: one hour sober at October 06, 2024 07:45 AM (Y1sOo)

105 “ Yes, Lord, walking in the way of your laws,
we wait for you;
your name and renown
are the desire of our hearts.
My soul yearns for you in the night;
in the morning my spirit longs for you.”

Isaiah 28:8-9

Posted by: Marcus T at October 06, 2024 07:45 AM (lMONC)

106 I have only heard Musk speak once or twice before yesterday and never really noticed his accent. Yesterday I heard it clearly.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 07:46 AM (4XwPj)

107 No I am serious.
I think it is very bad.
I think it will take months to learn how bad it is.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 07:47 AM (gbOdA)

108 106 I have only heard Musk speak once or twice before yesterday and never really noticed his accent. Yesterday I heard it clearly.
_____

Well, he is an African American after all.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 06, 2024 07:48 AM (dg+HA)

109 104 Kammie winging it after her teleprompter goes on the fritz:

https://tinyurl.com/mu9h47hf
Posted by: one hour sober at October 06, 2024 07:45 AM (Y1sOo)

32 32 32 what a winning hand

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 07:48 AM (gbOdA)

110 I don't trust much of the info on the situation in the hurricane zone. Too much going on, too many scattered sources. It's a disaster zone. Who knows what is happening.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 07:50 AM (4XwPj)

111 *Too much going on, too many scattered sources. It's a disaster zone. Who knows what is happening.*

But enough about Ukraine.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 06, 2024 07:52 AM (dg+HA)

112 Yeh that too.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 07:53 AM (4XwPj)

113 Excellent opener about AI, Pixy. A friend just had a “debate” with AI. I post his email for the HORDE:

I started by asking if Hurrican Helene could bave been the result of the US government using weather modification etc.

All 4 came back with dismissive answers effectively saying it could not have happened.

I then started getting each to tell me of pelroven historical examples ilof our government actually and nefariously acting against the health and safety of American citizens.

Then i posed the question that if such a capability existed by virtue of highly classified research etc. and was unknown among the civilian scientific community that flatly contended such weather control was “impossible” (all 4 used this as a main argument against it happening).

In the end they all capitulated and this is the reply of one that is like the others:

“
You're pointing out that my previous responses may have inadvertently downplayed the possibility of government wrongdoing, and that I should be more neutral and nuanced in my language.
You're right, I should avoid using language that could be interpreted as dismissive or minimizing the possibility of government malfeasance. Instead, I sho

Posted by: FINGERS at October 06, 2024 07:53 AM (C8ve7)

114
I watched about an hour of a resident of the western NC area walking through the area of devastation, where he was able. Some of the roads can be quickly repaired, while sections next to mountains are completely gone. Nothing less then months of pouring cement, continuously, night and day will replace the material swept away.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 06, 2024 07:55 AM (RKVpM)

115 My wife showed me some photos taken near Banner Elk in western NC. We've driven through it several times on trips to visit my parents while they were alive. Our route through the "back woods" meandered quite a bit.

Anyway, I recognized the exact spots the photos were taken. The landscape has physically changed. The road that went along a small creek is gone. There's no asphalt, only a barely level "path" that's one vehicle width. The houses and shops that used to be there are either gone, or nearly destroyed. Mud and debris are everywhere.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 06, 2024 07:57 AM (Q4IgG)

116 So Smith turned the well-established, thoroughly uncontroversial rules of criminal procedure on their head and asked Judge Chutkan for permission to file first – even with no actual defense motion pending. Trump’s team objected, and the judge acknowledged that Smith’s request to file first was “procedurally irregular” – moments before she ruled in Smith’s favor, as she’s done at virtually every consequential turn.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 07:57 AM (gbOdA)

117 Mornin' all.

Cat fed, wild turkeys slopped, sacrificial pancake burnt, coffee brewing, and pumpkin-chic chip flapjack almost done.

I see Carter is on a Detroit News section. Did the angel of death finally claim him?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at October 06, 2024 07:57 AM (kpS4V)

118 I'm with rhennigantx.

I was doing the "48+ hours" rule, because while I believe the PTB are capable of anything, that's no guarantee our folk are not sometimes being fake and gay for clicks and to influence the public.

But it's obviously very bad.

Posted by: sal, who watches way too much TCM at October 06, 2024 07:58 AM (f+FmA)

119 Youngest kid who lives in Arden NC said it is chaos. They were able to leave town on Thursday to drive their Airstream to Edisto taking a longer route than normal. They needed to get away from it all and were able to since his company is shut down and may be shut down yet this week. They were taking what they could that has batteries that needed to be recharged. They've been using the solar panels on their trailer for minimal power at home, however that only goes so far. Luckily they have had water but not power.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 06, 2024 07:58 AM (2NHgQ)

120 Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 07:48 AM (gbOdA)

She didn't read the speech beforehand to get the flow of things? Guess not. I've never seen a politician who was so inarticulate.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 06, 2024 07:59 AM (MQJVv)

121 Kammie winging it after her teleprompter goes on the fritz:

https://tinyurl.com/mu9h47hf
Posted by: one hour sober at October 06, 2024 07:45 AM (Y1sOo)

32 32 32 what a winning hand
Posted by: rhennigantx

===========

What a poker face... The only thing she thinks of is "a lot of hard work to do" and being the "underdog"... And 32... 32 days... Only 32 days before the election...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 06, 2024 08:00 AM (/lPRQ)

122 I fell last night. Stood up too fast, got dizzy and.. Timber!!! My daughter was going to go out to meet up with friends but decided she didn't want to leave me alone. I had to explain it to Hubbymayhem over the phone since he's working. I imagine I will have to tell the boy spawn. Jeez, it's not like I fell and couldn't get up or was injured. I ain't that old or decrepit.
I just falled over.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 08:00 AM (4XwPj)

123 I wonder how bad things really are in NC. I ma guessing there are maybe 1000 or more dead and missing. And the cleanup will take 10 years.

This is how you make ghost towns. I'm guessing that many of those towns was mining and retirement.

Not sure why one would build out there. Lets say that you are CVS who is being hammered in this economy and your store washed out and half the population is dead or relocated (either perm or temp). Do you rebuild?

With washed out roads and bridges, exactly how does anything get out there? Chicken and Egg problem. You can't build where you can't go, and if there is nothing there why go?

The infrastructure would have to be rebuilt on spec, and the USG has pissed away all the money, we told men of action that we don't want their help, killed mining investment, and gave all the reserve electrical gear to Ukraine so Russia can blow it up next week.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:02 AM (rHxhM)

124 Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 08:00 AM (4XwPj)

Sorry to hear that. Has your blood pressure been checked?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 06, 2024 08:03 AM (MQJVv)

125 I had to explain it to Hubbymayhem over the phone since he's working. I imagine I will have to tell the boy spawn. Jeez, it's not like I fell and couldn't get up or was injured. I ain't that old or decrepit.
I just falled over.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 08:00 AM (4XwPj)

To tell or not to tell- that is the oldster question.

Posted by: sal, who watches way too much TCM at October 06, 2024 08:03 AM (f+FmA)

126 No I am serious.
I think it is very bad.
I think it will take months to learn how bad it is.
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 07:47 AM (gbOdA)

You mean like the 1500-2000 killed in Lahaina? I think the death toll there is still around 110.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 06, 2024 08:06 AM (g8Ew8)

127 She didn't read the speech beforehand to get the flow of things? Guess not. I've never seen a politician who was so inarticulate.

Genuine stupidity and alcohol abuse meet.

That, or the demons who have come for backup are fighting over who gets the mouth.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:07 AM (rHxhM)

128 Blood pressure was fine. I checked it while I was down there on the floor.
I was watching the rally and sitting in one position the whole time. Also hadn't eaten much yesterday. Those two things collided and caused the secondary collision with the floor.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 08:07 AM (4XwPj)

129 You mean like the 1500-2000 killed in Lahaina? I think the death toll there is still around 110.

So what did they do with the additional 1400 body bags?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:08 AM (rHxhM)

130 And you were prolly dehydrated.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 06, 2024 08:08 AM (dg+HA)

131 Genuine stupidity and alcohol abuse meet.

That, or the demons who have come for backup are fighting over who gets the mouth.

you forgot hubris and haughtiness

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 08:09 AM (gbOdA)

132 Agree QT. I actually stood up to go get a drink.

I should just tell everyone that the cat did it.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 08:10 AM (4XwPj)

133 At 1 time there were 500 missing school aged lids in Lahaina and I have yet to see or hear anything.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 08:11 AM (gbOdA)

134 Genuine stupidity and alcohol abuse meet.

Booze or weed? I've heard both.
Longbow or crossbow?

Posted by: sal, who watches way too much TCM at October 06, 2024 08:11 AM (f+FmA)

135 She didn't read the speech beforehand to get the flow of things? Guess not. I've never seen a politician who was so inarticulate.

Think back to Oblabla's great moments in speech making when his teleprompter failed.

"...now hold on. Hold on. um...uh...yeah. Hold on. I can't hear myself think..."

Like so.

Lazy, inarticulate, and drunk/stoned is apparently the way to go through Life, son....You get to be Preezy!

Posted by: naturalfake at October 06, 2024 08:12 AM (eDfFs)

136 I watched about an hour of a resident of the western NC area walking through the area of devastation, where he was able. Some of the roads can be quickly repaired, while sections next to mountains are completely gone. Nothing less then months of pouring cement, continuously, night and day will replace the material swept away.

That is a lot of building material that needs to be paid for, shipped and installed with virtually no infrastructure to support any of that. For example, where does the labor go when the weather and darkness impede work?

A lot of equipment needs to be scheduled in advance, what kind of equipment will need engineers and surveyors to determine, add in government which impedes absolutely everything with red tape, regulations, permits, lack of inspectors, and the usual positioning for graft and corruption and you have a decade long shit show.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:12 AM (rHxhM)

137 The latest weather models are pretty much in agreement regarding the track of Milton, but the projected intensity is all over the place -- anywhere from sub-category 1 to a Cat 5.

https://tinyurl.com/328yjzb3

Posted by: one hour sober at October 06, 2024 08:12 AM (Y1sOo)

138 At 1 time there were 500 missing school aged lids in Lahaina and I have yet to see or hear anything.

They were needed for an adrenechrome shortage in Babylon DC

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:14 AM (rHxhM)

139 “What you can do today is use AI in areas where you are an expert yourself or at least can verify the answer with a Google search afterwards. "

********

Savor the irony in that statement for a moment!

Posted by: muldoon at October 06, 2024 08:14 AM (uCfKO)

140 The latest weather models are pretty much in agreement regarding the track of Milton, but the projected intensity is all over the place -- anywhere from sub-category 1 to a Cat 5.

This sort of precision and accuracy only comes from after spending trillions of dollars on Climate Change research.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:15 AM (rHxhM)

141 Weather forecasters are a lot like 4 year olds. Just say a bunch of stuff and maybe I won't get in trouble!

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 08:15 AM (4XwPj)

142 " ... A desultory and bureaucratic effort. And where were the tie-wearing politicos holding clearly brand new shovels to show their solidarity with the working hoi polloi?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 06, 2024 06:48 AM (VzvgM)"

Specially those nifty chrome-plated shovels they use for groundbreaking ceremonies! Betch every aspiring bigwig got one of those in a closet waiting for The Big Day!

G'mornin' everyone!

I'm here all week!
Try the grits-and-cheese with fried eggs on top!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at October 06, 2024 08:15 AM (UWgy2)

143 Welp, gotta go do stuff. 40 minute walk, then off to Wal-Mart! Laters kids.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 08:17 AM (4XwPj)

144
Kamala:

Forward!
Forward!
For war!

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 06, 2024 08:18 AM (RKVpM)

145 This is how you make ghost towns. I'm guessing that many of those towns was mining and retirement.

Not sure why one would build out there. Lets say that you are CVS who is being hammered in this economy and your store washed out and half the population is dead or relocated (either perm or temp). Do you rebuild?

With washed out roads and bridges, exactly how does anything get out there? Chicken and Egg problem. You can't build where you can't go, and if there is nothing there why go?

The infrastructure would have to be rebuilt on spec, and the USG has pissed away all the money, we told men of action that we don't want their help, killed mining investment, and gave all the reserve electrical gear to Ukraine so Russia can blow it up next week.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:02 AM (rHxhM)

It happens everywhere every year when there's natural disasters. Many towns in tornado alley suffer the same fate every season. Nothing is new or unusual about what happened in Appalachia.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 06, 2024 08:18 AM (g8Ew8)

146 Elon was so pumped up. There's an iconic picture they took of him jumping up on stage, wearing his "dark MAGA" outfit. I think the tee shirt says Occupy Mars. He's updated his picture on X to one of him wearing a MAGA hat. He has a PAC called America to register voters and he's paying people to do so.

Scott Pressler got to speak, which was nice. He gave a pretty good speech. They had to call a doctor to help someone in the crowd. Trump told him to take his time and the crowd started singing the Star Spangled Banner.

They had an opera singer sing Ava Maria at the time that the shots were fired. Crowd size, including overflow is said to be 100,000. I think Trump has Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 06, 2024 08:19 AM (gfViB)

147 The latest weather models are pretty much in agreement regarding the track of Milton, but the projected intensity is all over the place -- anywhere from sub-category 1 to a Cat 5.

https://tinyurl.com/328yjzb3
Posted by: one hour sober
====

NHC has it going back to hurricane strength just pst my house as it gets back to the Atlantic.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 06, 2024 08:19 AM (/lPRQ)

148 “What you can do today is use AI in areas where you are an expert yourself or at least can verify the answer with a Google search afterwards. "

********

Savor the irony in that statement for a moment!

Agreed. I left Google forever and replaced it with AI leveraged searches because Google - and I have real questions and have a real schedule to keep.

I find LLM AI useful for complex text searches, not for divining answers other than providing unit conversions, historical references and word definitions.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:20 AM (rHxhM)

149 Some of the towns decimated by the floods in NC cater to the "outdoors" people. Hiking, skiing that sort of thing. There's some whitewater locations too. Hunting is big when in season. A lot of retirement homes, cabins, retreats and so on.

My wife and I would always ask each other "what do these people do?" when we'd drive through. They must work locally as the nearest "city" would be hours away.

Some towns seemed to be where wealthy people built 2nd homes, others were working class, sometime a mix of both. Like a lot of places; there were pockets of wealth and pockets of poverty.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 06, 2024 08:24 AM (Q4IgG)

150 The latest weather models are pretty much in agreement regarding the track of Milton, but the projected intensity is all over the place -- anywhere from sub-category 1 to a Cat 5.

https://tinyurl.com/328yjzb3
Posted by: one hour sober
====

NHC has it going back to hurricane strength just pst my house as it gets back to the Atlantic.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
+++
The only good thing that can come from this is that if Majorkas comes down here, Florida man might find him and kick his ass.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at October 06, 2024 08:26 AM (Lo97M)

151 >>Weather forecasters are a lot like 4 year olds. Just say a bunch of stuff and maybe I won't get in trouble!

****
There's truth to that, but the NWS office in Greenville-Spartanberg, SC, which covers the Ashville, NC region, got it correct more than 24 hours before Helene made landfall in Florida.

https://tinyurl.com/37rr3ayk

https://tinyurl.com/37rr3ayk

Posted by: one hour sober at October 06, 2024 08:26 AM (Y1sOo)

152 There was a lot honoring Corey, the firefighter that was killed. One of the people that was shot did attend, so has recovered.

There was a little boy in the crowd that wanted Elon to sign his poster of his cybertruck. He was upset he couldn't get to him to ask. A rapper in the crowd heard him and escorted him over to Elon, who signed his poster. It was like that.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 06, 2024 08:26 AM (gfViB)

153 It happens everywhere every year when there's natural disasters. Many towns in tornado alley suffer the same fate every season. Nothing is new or unusual about what happened in Appalachia.

Apples and Oranges.

Tornado alley is generally flat lands in comparison with multiple ingress and egress. Tornados wipe out rather limited swaths by knocking things down and scattering debris.

In NC, we have washed out roads making getting into and out of an area difficult.

Also, I wouldn't say that looking at Ashville is the same as looking at Lake Lure.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:26 AM (rHxhM)

154
That is a lot of building material that needs to be paid for, shipped and installed with virtually no infrastructure to support any of that. For example, where does the labor go when the weather and darkness impede work?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:12 AM

I think the weather out in the southwest is amendable to cement pouring. I've read of how many months, maybe it was a year, of continuous pouring of cement to create the Hoover Dam.

You can't let any of it dry the entire time, it must be wet on wet. The weather in western NC is going to be much more challenging.

We'll see what the come up with, maybe bridges. I can't even begin to calculate the mass of material to create a 30' tall, 30' wide mass of material for 500 feet. Not just one, but many of them.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 06, 2024 08:29 AM (RKVpM)

155 A good resource for hurricanes is:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/

The guy that runs it also has a YouTube channel you can get to via the video embed on his site.
He’s thorough and a lot of professional and amateur meteorologist use his maps and charts.

On YouTube I watch Mr. Weatherman regularly during hurricane season to keep up with the storms. He is meteorologist Brian Shields, and near as I can tell he is based in a Caribbean island, he also gives general weather reports for the Caribbean at the end of his videos.

Here’s his latest report on Milton:
https://youtu.be/hq5c8_X1Iio

And you can get to his YouTube channel page on there.

I also like to watch Ryan Hall Y’all on YouTube during the hurricane.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 06, 2024 08:29 AM (6ydKt)

156 The folks that need to keep an eye on Uncle Milty are around Tampa Bay. That place has been the focus of absolute worse case scenarios for decades.

We are talking about a large portion of the downtown area of a major city under 20 feet of water.

I hope DeSantis can get the bucket trucks back in time.

Posted by: pawn at October 06, 2024 08:32 AM (QB+5g)

157 Happy Sunday!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2024 08:32 AM (scDBq)

158 They found 8 bodies yesterday that had been buried in a slide. They had their arms linked together. The rescuers thought they might be neighbors. Pretty sure we are talking at least a thousand dead. And FEMA is confiscating donations to "inventory". Has been confirmed in several sites.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 06, 2024 08:32 AM (gfViB)

159 I went out into the Gulf on my boat last week, only about a mile offshore, and the Lowrance unit told me the water temperature was 88 degrees F.

That's crazy fuel for rapid intensification.

Posted by: one hour sober at October 06, 2024 08:34 AM (Y1sOo)

160 "Some towns seemed to be where wealthy people built 2nd homes, others were working class, sometime a mix of both. Like a lot of places; there were pockets of wealth and pockets of poverty."

That area has been a top spot for Florida retirees to build a second home. About as far north as they are willing to go!

Posted by: pawn at October 06, 2024 08:35 AM (QB+5g)

161 Re the 700 experts letter

“OK, gentlemen, you are holding yourselves out as military experts. Your organization has emphasized that we have here over 230 general and flag officers, including 15 retired four-star generals and admirals. Now, I want everyone who has won a war to raise your hand and then stay in the room. The rest of you, get out of the room. What, no hands? Then leave. Go home. Now.

the whole thingy
https://tinyurl.com/w2jk3hu4

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 08:35 AM (gbOdA)

162 >>Youngest kid who lives in Arden NC said it is chaos. . .

Glad they're OK and could get out with some of their possessions and a power source. The videos on X are frightening.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2024 08:35 AM (scDBq)

163
I watched a video yesterday of a local walking through the western NC area a day or two before the hurricane went through. An airport runway where he kept his ultralight aircraft was under a foot or so of water.

Ground already that saturated was a recipe for disaster with an additional foot or more of rain.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 06, 2024 08:35 AM (RKVpM)

164
remember the CONFICKER VIRUS?

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at October 06, 2024 08:36 AM (aBbkg)

165 I had to explain it to Hubbymayhem over the phone since he's working. I imagine I will have to tell the boy spawn. Jeez, it's not like I fell and couldn't get up or was injured. I ain't that old or decrepit.
I just falled over.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 06, 2024 08:00 AM (4XwPj)

Inner ear problem? Had that years ago. A buildup of earwax was causing the problem. Of course, a drop in BP can also cause it.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at October 06, 2024 08:38 AM (iODuv)

166 The folks that need to keep an eye on Uncle Milty are around Tampa Bay. That place has been the focus of absolute worse case scenarios for decades.

We are talking about a large portion of the downtown area of a major city under 20 feet of water.

I hope DeSantis can get the bucket trucks back in time.
Posted by: pawn

===

Current track could have it pushing that much water up Tampa Bay.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 06, 2024 08:38 AM (/lPRQ)

167 Tornado alley is generally flat lands in comparison with multiple ingress and egress. Tornados wipe out rather limited swaths by knocking things down and scattering debris.

In NC, we have washed out roads making getting into and out of an area difficult.

Also, I wouldn't say that looking at Ashville is the same as looking at Lake Lure.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:26 AM (rHxhM)

If these areas and communities have any resiliency at all, roads and access will be restored within weeks if not days.

But I guess that depends on state and local governments to tell the fed to go fuck itself. And sometimes I forget that those states have oodles and gobs of northeastern locusts that can't do anything until the government tells them to.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 06, 2024 08:38 AM (g8Ew8)

168
...also known as Downup, Downadup and Kido

Late 2008 into 2009.
Same time frame as the bullshit "global financial meltdown" and the menace known as "obama."

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at October 06, 2024 08:39 AM (aBbkg)

169 Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 06, 2024 08:19 AM (gfViB)

I read that in addition to "Ave Maria" the rally had a well known hymn. Can't recall which one. This is contrast to Democrat rallies where they have Megan Thee Stallion singing some crude lyrics.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 06, 2024 08:40 AM (eNyVK)

170
There seems to be a big commotion among the gaslighters this weekend about reports of the "stench" of corpses.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 06, 2024 08:40 AM (aBbkg)

171 . And FEMA is confiscating donations to "inventory". Has been confirmed in several sites.

Preppers remember this moment.

No matter how well you prepare you MUST shut the hell up and tell no one about your stash. You need to treat your preps the same way as a buried body, revealing any clues to your stash will result in its confiscation and you possibly be shot and killed for daring to "horde necessary supplies".

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:41 AM (rHxhM)

172 Back from changing the wiper blades on the Buick. Every year I have a battle with them, because I've forgotten the trick to releasing the old blades. YooToob videos are only a partial help, since apparently people use different blades that release differently. In my case, the driver's side had a tab you lifted, and then the blade unhooked; on the passenger side, there was a panel that had to be pried up before the blade could be removed.

This year I checked each one (Anco brand) to see how the release trick operates. Maybe next year I'll remember and won't have to struggle for half an hour, look it up on YooToob, etc.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 06, 2024 08:42 AM (omVj0)

173 We had almost 7" of rain from Helene over 3 days as Helene stalled over our area of KY. We'd been under a drought for most of August and September, so there was zero flooding as the ground sucked up every drop.

If the ground in western NC was saturated I can only imagine the flooding that would result.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 06, 2024 08:42 AM (Q4IgG)

174 >>The only good thing that can come from this is that if Majorkas comes down here, Florida man might find him and kick his ass.

Sorry, he's busy shopping in Georgetown:
https://tinyurl.com/2c7sm7aw

Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2024 08:43 AM (scDBq)

175
I read that in addition to "Ave Maria" the rally had a well known hymn. Can't recall which one. This is contrast to Democrat rallies where they have Megan Thee Stallion singing some crude lyrics.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 06, 2024 08:40 AM

Songs Sung:

- Ave Maria (during tribute to Corey Comperatore)
- Nessun Dorma (Let No One Sleep/I will Win)
- Hallelujah
- How Great Thou Art
- God Bless America
- America

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 06, 2024 08:44 AM (RKVpM)

176 174 >>The only good thing that can come from this is that if Majorkas comes down here, Florida man might find him and kick his ass.

Sorry, he's busy shopping in Georgetown:
https://tinyurl.com/2c7sm7aw
Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2024 08:43 AM (scDBq)

I saw the DHS leader
Shopping in Gerogetown
And his hair was perfect

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 08:44 AM (gbOdA)

177 I love 'How Great Thou Art'. I want it sung at my funeral.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at October 06, 2024 08:45 AM (SfhV1)

178 This year I checked each one (Anco brand) to see how the release trick operates. Maybe next year I'll remember and won't have to struggle for half an hour, look it up on YooToob, etc.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 06, 2024 08:42 AM (omVj0)

Wifey has a dead headlight in the Miata and the tires must come off to reach to plug.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 08:46 AM (gbOdA)

179 Saw a Cyber Truck the other day and wondered what it's Sdkfxz number was.

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2024 08:46 AM (fwDg9)

180 We have a friend in Greenville. She is okay but many of her neighbors had significant damage. She corroborated what we've been hearing. She also sent video from X, but Idk how to tinyurl so I can't post it. I don't think what we are hearing is at all an exaggeration, I think we have no idea how bad it really is.

Here in our town 3 local trucking companies with contacts in NC are collecting canned food, pet food and hygiene supplies to drive down Tuesday. I have been encouraging the people we know to donate to Samaritan's Purse. I wish there were more we could do from here. Other than pray.

Posted by: TecumsehTea at October 06, 2024 08:47 AM (JrYM1)

181 A YouTuber named Mark Honeycutt walked and hiked into Chimney Rock, NC last week and interviewed a guy who was working cleanup.

That guy told Mark that the smell people were talking about might have been due to the fact that “they pulled 50 propane tanks out of Lake Lure”.

Propane does stink, but I’m not quite sure it has the same smell as decomposing humans and animals.

A lot of rumors going around on this one due, I think, to the remoteness of the areas and the difficulty in getting in and also because of the election and people trying to score political points.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 06, 2024 08:47 AM (6ydKt)

182 177 I love 'How Great Thou Art'. I want it sung at my funeral.
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at October 06, 2024 08:45 AM (SfhV1)

We did that at my Dads. Mom wanted us to sing In the Garden.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 08:47 AM (gbOdA)

183 Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at October 06, 2024 08:45 AM (SfhV1

Lovely hymn. A number of people in the congregations which I have served have requested that at their funerals. We are having a hymn sing today and that is one of the selections.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 06, 2024 08:47 AM (eNyVK)

184 Mom wanted us to sing In the Garden.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 08:47 AM (gbOdA)

Same with my mom when she goes.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at October 06, 2024 08:48 AM (SfhV1)

185 If these areas and communities have any resiliency at all, roads and access will be restored within weeks if not days.

It took all freakin' summer for the DOT to resurface ten miles of a non interstate highway - no ground prep, laying of rebar, rebuilding bridges, integrating underground or overhead utilities. There is a stretch of I-45 near Corsicana TX that took well over 20 years to widen by one lane.

That is in an area with money, labor and easy ingress and egress.

Maybe if Big Tech needed to build multiple data centers in those areas you would see some action, but as an extension of Floridians summer stomping grounds... not so much.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:48 AM (rHxhM)

186 Here's one of my favorite versions of "Ave Maria".

Gives me chill bumps.

https://tinyurl.com/4y3mbebw

Posted by: pawn at October 06, 2024 08:48 AM (QB+5g)

187 We are having a hymn sing today and that is one of the selections.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 06, 2024 08:47 AM (eNyVK)

Beautiful.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at October 06, 2024 08:49 AM (SfhV1)

188 Dictator and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei gave his first sermon yesterday in nearly 5 years.

He stated:

“God willing, we will destroy Israel.”

Western policy makers should note that he didn’t say “God willing, we will have a two-state solution”

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 08:49 AM (gbOdA)

189 A lot of rumors going around on this one due, I think, to the remoteness of the areas and the difficulty in getting in and also because of the election and people trying to score political points.

But mostly to shake the money tree for lucrative government grants for alleged "cleanup".

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:50 AM (rHxhM)

190 Saw a Cyber Truck the other day and wondered what it's Sdkfxz number was.
Posted by: Skip
+++
Every time I see one of those things I think of the stainless steel urinals you sometimes see in public restrooms.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at October 06, 2024 08:51 AM (Lo97M)

191
A YouTuber named Mark Honeycutt walked and hiked into Chimney Rock, NC last week and interviewed a guy who was working cleanup.

Posted by: SpeakingOf

That Youtuber just uploaded another video, interviewing a woman who spoke about the aftermath. She had interesting things to say.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 06, 2024 08:51 AM (aBbkg)

192
I love 'How Great Thou Art'. I want it sung at my funeral.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at October 06, 2024 08:45 AM

My Mom went through some sort of spiritual journey when I was in my teens, searching for just the right denomination. So I had to attend services of the Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian variety. Maybe there were more, I forget. But 'How Great Thou Art' was common to all of them. I actually remembered the lyrics.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 06, 2024 08:51 AM (RKVpM)

193 Western policy makers should note that he didn’t say “God willing, we will have a two-state solution”

Change the branding of Israel by renaming it and replacing the flag see if that gets a different tone from Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

If not, it isn't about "Israel" its about genocide.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:52 AM (rHxhM)

194 Here's one of my favorite versions of "Ave Maria".

Gives me chill bumps.

https://tinyurl.com/4y3mbebw
Posted by: pawn at October 06, 2024 08:48 AM (QB+5g)

I've never liked that song. It tries too hard to be dramatic. Plus, I'm not Catholic so I don't worship the subject of the song.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 06, 2024 08:52 AM (g8Ew8)

195 If these areas and communities have any resiliency at all, roads and access will be restored within weeks if not days.

But I guess that depends on state and local governments to tell the fed to go fuck itself. And sometimes I forget that those states have oodles and gobs of northeastern locusts that can't do anything until the government tells them to.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons
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I'm just a simple librarian, but from some of the photos and videos I've seen, portions of roads are completely gone. Not damaged. Gone. The ground they were built on washed away. In mountain areas where it's already hard to build roads. Even taking government "efficiency" out of the equation, I'm not sure how that gets fixed quickly.

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 06, 2024 08:53 AM (EaPW0)

196 Every time I see one of those things I think of the stainless steel urinals you sometimes see in public restrooms.

Well...

So did nature and social conditioning take its course?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:53 AM (rHxhM)

197 German vehicles of every kind got a Sdkfz number designation. ICyber trucks look like a armor car to me

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2024 08:53 AM (fwDg9)

198 Wifey has a dead headlight in the Miata and the tires must come off to reach to plug.
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024

***
The front bumper assembly, in my car's case. Cars today are vastly safer and more powerful, efficient, and reliable than, say, even thirty years ago, let alone fifty or sixty. But they are much harder for the average owner to work on.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 06, 2024 08:54 AM (omVj0)

199 My Mom went through some sort of spiritual journey when I was in my teens, searching for just the right denomination. So I had to attend services of the Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian variety. Maybe there were more, I forget. But 'How Great Thou Art' was common to all of them. I actually remembered the lyrics.
Posted by: Divide by Zero
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When I lived in the Midwest, I attended an E-Free church where the worship music was mostly contemporary. They had maybe 2 traditional hymns in the repertoire. How Great Thou Art was one of them and I was always happy when it made an appearance. The older I get, the more I appreciate hymns.

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 06, 2024 08:55 AM (EaPW0)

200
I think it was the Presbyterians who ended every service with 'Onward Christian Soldiers'. As a teenage boy I was always glad to hear song that begin.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 06, 2024 08:56 AM (RKVpM)

201 Every time I see one of those things I think of the stainless steel urinals you sometimes see in public restrooms.

Well...

So did nature and social conditioning take its course?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
+++
I'll admit I was tempted.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at October 06, 2024 08:56 AM (Lo97M)

202 Regarding the wipers, it's not the hook on the Buick's wiper arm that is the trouble -- it's not GM's design. It's that each blade manufacturer has a different way of locking and unlocking the blade from the hook. As the Dixie Chicks sang, "There's your trouble --"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 06, 2024 08:57 AM (omVj0)

203 Even taking government "efficiency" out of the equation, I'm not sure how that gets fixed quickly.
Posted by: screaming in digital at October 06, 2024 08:53 AM (EaPW0)

D9 Caterpillars.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 06, 2024 08:58 AM (g8Ew8)

204
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Posted by: rhennigantx at October 06, 2024 08:59 AM (gbOdA)

205 I saw a video about that guy that walked into Chimney Rock area. One woman showed him her house. It had grass up to the front door originally, All of that had washed away. She said you own property but what happens when it's gone? I got the feeling it's a tourist area with vacation homes. A lot were probably vacant

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 06, 2024 09:00 AM (gfViB)

206 “Don’t Lie”

I was reading the JSC oral history interviews of famous NASA people, and several people mentioned Rocco Petrone, director of Kennedy Launch operations.

He was known to fire people on the spot. If he started asking questions, you better know your shit. What became apparent, it’s OK to say “I don’t know”.

What is not OK is try and BS your answer when you don’t know. That’s what he was looking for. I’ve seen this trait in many leaders, and now that I think about it, has been applied to me over the years.

They said once Rocco picked up a guy and removed him from the lectern mid briefing and fired him because he started using weasel words.

I hate to say this, but a modern NASA briefing or press conference might push ole Rocco over the edge. He looked like a Mob enforcer, but he spent his time working on Saturn V “Pogo” and combustion instability

Posted by: Common Tater at October 06, 2024 09:01 AM (jgJBk)

207
@Nevstv
It was like there was a whole concert after the rally - 15 minutes of uplifting and epic songs. Such an awesome tribute to God and America.

- Nessun dorma
- Hallelujah (2:52)
- America the Beautiful (8:0
- How Great Thou Art (10:45)
- God Bless America (12:20)

https://is.gd/jUwD0n

/Crowd size estimated at 100,000.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 06, 2024 09:01 AM (RKVpM)

208
Yeah, a lot of "cottages" in that Chimney Rock area. Old cottages.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 06, 2024 09:02 AM (aBbkg)

209 Wow. They just showed a video from my town in Fox. That was unexpected.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2024 09:03 AM (LkLld)

210
Old cottages.
You know, kinda like how "mobile homes" suffer the worst because they're light and thin.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 06, 2024 09:04 AM (aBbkg)

211 " How great thou art" has a nice story behind it

https://tinyurl.com/ycky5wxc

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 06, 2024 09:09 AM (MQJVv)

212 CT,

Good grief! They named the KSC Launch Control Center after him.

I can't believe it!

NASA is so "We were DEI before DEI was cool", the fact that they named the LCC after a white guy blows my mind.

Posted by: pawn at October 06, 2024 09:13 AM (QB+5g)

213 189 But mostly to shake the money tree for lucrative government grants for alleged "cleanup".
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 08:50 AM (rHxhM)

Yeah, no doubt that’s part of it, too.
New Orleans was a gold mine for cleanup crews.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 06, 2024 09:17 AM (6ydKt)

214 That Youtuber just uploaded another video, interviewing a woman who spoke about the aftermath. She had interesting things to say.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 06, 2024 08:51 AM (aBbkg)

— —-

I’ll have to check that out.
I liked the video he did in Chimney Rock.
Much better than anything I’ve seen on the “News” about the town.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 06, 2024 09:23 AM (6ydKt)

215 AI now infected with Male Answer Syndrome

Posted by: Tmitsss at October 06, 2024 09:37 AM (l5Noi)

216 Yeah, a lot of "cottages" in that Chimney Rock area. Old cottages.

Lets not forget. FEMA has zero money for NC victims. This isn't an anomaly, its a trend turning into standard policy.

November 5th is approaching. If the steal is successful, any talk about rebuilding anything anywhere is rearranging deck chairs.

The Left doesn't build anything except death camps.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2024 09:46 AM (rHxhM)

217 "It's not really lying, of course, since the current crop of commercial AIs have no intentionality. It's just that they also have no concept of truth, and the way they are trained rewards giving answers, not just giving the right answer."

Like drug-sniffing dogs.

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