Saturday Evening Movie Thread [moviegique]: Deadpool & Wolverine vs. Victory

It's that time of the year again: Spooky season! Which for us begins with the first day of Knott's Halloween Haunt, always a Thursday. (And which, for a decade was so empty you didn't need to buy any special fast passes, but that time, oddly, has passed. Apparently not enough people have to work on Friday any more.) Given the variability of traffic patterns, we have for years journeyed down to Buena Park in the morning and killed time at the Korean movie theater before heading off to the park. Since our little experiment with totalitarianism a few years ago, that theater cut down its weekday hours to start late in the afternoon unfortunately.

Which left us in a position to watch our second top 20 film of the year: Deadpool & Wolverine. Let me say, first of all, that we didn't hate it. That's important because the rest of this review might make you think otherwise. It's mercifully short for a modern superhero flick, at two hours and seven minutes, though you sure as hell wouldn't it want to be any longer. A fourth-wall gag has Deadpool apologizing for the movie length, in fact, which actually pretty well sums up this movie: It's not just a commentary on the superhero genre, it's a commentary on the commentary.

This is what Hollywood is reduced to. Watching this—or any big budget movie these days—is sort of like watching your figure skating team at the Olympics when it's going through a bad patch. (Debi Thomas, anyone?) There's tremendous skill and a huge talent pool and craftsmanship everywhere, but you're just so sure someone's going to faceplant, you're ecstatic when they don't, and you kind of cheer too loudly when they accomplish something awkwardly but without crashing completely.

"She landed the single axel! Yeah!"

As a comedy, it's fine. I'll take it. A lot of jokes that qualify as "irreverent" these days, though honestly the shots at tweaking the morality police at Disney are misses. (I can believe they have a rule against characters sniffing cocaine, but nobody for a second believes this is anything other than cynical marketing.) The movie is very aware that its role is to entertain, and it puts a lot of energy into keeping things lively.

The plot, which is not very important, is confusing and dumb. It's a multiverse plot—something also lampshaded in the climactic fight scene with all the Deadpools, said lampshading not, in fact, providing any kind of cover for the fact that multiverses are the worst lazy writer's device since time travel.

OK, I had to research the plot just now because it depends on you having seen Deadpool 2, apparently. The Deadpool (Ryan Reynolds) from universe 10,005 flees to the 616 (sacred) universe to try to be an Avenger. He gets rejected by Jon Favreau (cute) because he's there to win back his girlfriend, and that's not really a good enough reason to be an Avenger. (I mean, you're essentially an immortal being with nigh-unlimited powers. You'd think you could, y'know, save the world locally, but this guy needs approval from an entirely different universe, apparently.) So he goes into car sales, which of course he sucks at.

On his birthday he ends up being kidnapped by the Time Variance Authority (TVA), where a middle manager by the name of Mr. Paradox (Matthew MacFayden) is working up a MacGuffin (lampshaded) that will give the power to destroy timelines. Paradox wants to recruit Deadpool, but Deadpool flees and searches the multiverses to find a not-dead version of Wolverine (Hugh Jackman) because that's the title of the movie. And also universes have "anchor beings" who, when they die the universes die with them. And apparently, 10,005's universe's anchor being was Wolverine who, in case you didn't know, died in Logan back in 2017.

Deadpool figures that if he can find a live Wolverine and bring him to 10,005, his universe will stop ceasing to exist.

Good lord, I write sci-fi and this is making my head hurt.

Dogpool is cute, tho'.

Anyway, you might just notice something else in this movie: Besides having lots of jokes, the cast is very good-looking. Bit parts and even Negasonic Teenage Warhead, whose kind of ugly attitude is part of the shtick, looks less offensive. (The actual actress, Brianna Hildebrand, is quite lovely.) I felt like this was part of the plan to be entertaining and not punishing the audience for coming to the movies.

The movie drags in a few places: The action set pieces aren't as interminably dull as usual, because there are some good gags. There's actually a very fine one in a Honda Accord between Deadpool and Wolverine, with the only problem being it's both incredibly dumb for them to fight at that point, and also completely pointless. One not long after that features X-23, Blade, Elektra and Gambit (Dafne Keen, Wesley Snipes, Jennifer Garner and Channing Tatum, respectively) is also pretty good and has some bearing on the plot.

Primarily, however, the movie has the "Family Guy" problem (or the problem that show had in 2005, when I last watched). You can make me laugh at a gag where someone suffers horribly at the hands of a hero or protagonist, but you can't then turn around and convince me that I should invest in the reality or heroism of these characters. At two different points in this movie, Deadpool gets a person killed for a laugh. It's fine, good for a yuk. But then how do you sell "well, but it matters if THESE characters die?"

The face you make when you're the motivation for the main character and have literally nothing else to do.

Not very well, I have to say. And Reynolds is a fine actor. Jackman is terrific. Really, the whole cast does a good job. But what they're trying for isn't something I've ever seen work in an American movie.

It reminded me of the other top 20 film we saw, The Fall Guy, in that it didn't suck, it was a perfectly fine time-waster, and by the time I finish writing his review, I'll forget it forever.

The happy lesbians, I presume.

Victory

Which brings us to our second film, a Korean film called Victory which we went to because it was the only Korean film we hadn't seen. I can say our expectations were low—much higher than they were for Deadpool 3, but still quite low given it's a high school-based drama about girls who have lost their dance club at school and so shanghai a new girl into making a cheerleader club for their flailing soccer team.

Low stakes. Melodrama. Teenage girls. How good can it be?

And the answer is, unsurprisingly, damn good. First of all, it's the absolute antithesis of Deadpool 3. The superhero movie thrives on sarcasm, meta-humor, nudge-and-a-wink, and the cheerleader movie exudes sincerity from every frame.

Teenage girls are judging you. Again.

Our heroine is a 17-year-old girl—okay, not in real life, I'm pretty sure the entire high school cast is in their 20s and maybe even 30s—who wants to be a dancer. She was held back a year for fighting in their dance club (which was on campus), but ends up with her cronies at a soccer game where the school's hapless team (motto: "It's okay to lose!") is embarrassed once again. When a brother and sister arrive from Seoul, the team gets a shot in the arm from the very skilled brother, and the heroine and her pals light on starting a cheerleading club as a front for being able to dance again.

There's a fun montage where the girls in the school try out for the team, and the movie does an excellent job of giving us nine different girls who are nonetheless established as characters fairly well in a short time.

And the twist is, of course, that the heroine discovers that she enjoys cheering on and contributing to the success of the team. (She makes up a bogus stat about how everyone does 50% better when they're being cheered on, as discovered at Harvard University in England.)

There are some other great bits, too. She's a teen girl so she's very emotional and she's always saying "I've lost my appetite!" at the dinner table, and her father notes that her food is all gone. Her father works as a supervisor in a shipyard and at one point has to literally grovel for his job, and she's disgusted by this. And the two fight over it, with him challenging her thought process that life is so easy, and her challenging back that he thinks life is super-hard. (I mean, he's a single dad raising a teen daughter.)

"I've lost my appetite! Can I have more?"

But later she runs off to the big city and—well, life turns out to be pretty easy for her. She's apparently just that good. This was an interesting twist that made the climactic scene very much more meaningful, even though, as mentioned it was very low stakes.

The thing about storytelling is that they've all been told. So a lot of the things that keep a movie fresh are being surprising, even in little ways. For example, there's a love triangle: City boy/soccer hero likes the heroine but her childhood friend (a goalie) has been pining after her for ten years. So the cliché would be to have one of them win her over. It just never comes to that here (and one sort of suspects she wouldn't end up with either of them, because she has bigger dreams).

Or, the fact that they local girls are kind of mean to the City Girl would, in the cliché, end up with the City Girl and the heroine being best friends, but that never really happens either. They form a team, and they work together, but the heroine's best friend stays her best friend throughout.

There was just a lot going on in terms of character development and cohesive plot here, even though this is a fairly minor movie: The latest entry in the Roundup series and the hottest horror, Exhuma, both made around $80M at the Korean BO, compared to this film's $3M. It just feels very self-assured, perhaps the result of not forgetting how to "human" as so many in Hollywood seem to have.

This is also the least prurient movie about cheerleaders I've ever seen. The girls are varying degrees of pretty, and very different one to the next, but their outfits are modest and since it takes place in 1999, they dress like Poochie otherwise.

You know how I normally say "This movie makes you feel proud to be a Korean?" It's true, but the distinctly Asian form of fascism, where what your kid does in school might cost you your job, which is working your friends and neighbors to death, is very apparent here.

Overall, though, it's just very wholesome and earnest. A good antidote to the decadent cynicism of Deadpool 3. We were quite pleased.

The lead, her lieutenant, the city girl, the Joeson girl, the AV girl, the Taekwando girl, Y2K girl—I mean, it's a two hour movie but you learn something about all of them.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:30 PM

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1 How did I miss the special characters?!

Doy. Does anyone care?

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 07:34 PM (asXVI)

2 Jeez. I guess not. Is it...are we closed today? I didn't see any moose out front!

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 07:38 PM (asXVI)

3 How did I miss the special characters?!

Doy. Does anyone care?
Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 07:34 PM (asXVI)
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I've noticed that Minx 0.8 beta doesn't much care for ellipses, smart quotes, or m-dashes, among other things. I try to replace them with non-special character versions wherever possible.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 21, 2024 07:40 PM (BpYfr)

4 How did I miss the special characters?!

Copying and pasting directly from another HTML source?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 21, 2024 07:40 PM (mH6SG)

5 I'm watching "Miracle Mile" (198

which I somehow missed back in the day.

Anthony Edwards has just picked up a ringing phone in a booth outside a diner in L.A., and a hysterical soldier, thinking he's calling his dad, tells him they're launching Armageddon and he has 50 minutes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 21, 2024 07:41 PM (kpS4V)

6 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 07:42 PM (fwDg9)

7 Dang, I coulda been second, but I read the content.

Posted by: davidt at September 21, 2024 07:42 PM (i0F8b)

8 Oh yeah i remem dr that one with denise crosby as the pentagon connected chick

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 07:43 PM (PXvVL)

9 Remember yes nuclear war wiuld be so uneventful soecially it happened in the early morning hours

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 07:45 PM (PXvVL)

10 I know how I did it. I went to the cleaner site, copied and pasted my text in, then didn't paste THAT back into the entry.

It's like livin' in the Howard Dean Scream era around here.

5 I'm watching "Miracle Mile" (198 which I somehow missed back in the day.

I covered that in February, coincidentally enough.

https://ace.mu.nu/archives/408184.php

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 07:46 PM (asXVI)

11 Anyway, I think everybody can live with the characters. No biggie. Thanks for the thread.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 21, 2024 07:46 PM (mH6SG)

12 Copying and pasting directly from another HTML source?
Posted by: Notorious BFD

That would be my guess: writing the post and then doing a copy and paste without resetting the text to plain.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 21, 2024 07:46 PM (5JBBX)

13 Another Asian movie where every teenage girl in the film was a trope?

Hausu.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 07:46 PM (nuxDz)

14 I get why actresses in young roles are generally a few years older than their characters. But when it's like 8 to 10 yrs it starts to strain credulity.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 07:47 PM (Xm9IS)

15 Specially with the current crew of sock puppets in washington

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 07:47 PM (PXvVL)

16 Hugh Jackman's best movie? The Prestige. And one of Bale's best as well.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 07:48 PM (oZhjI)

17 Thx moviegique. When yo said Victory I immediately thought of the Stallone/Caine soccer movie. Then I realized that was Escape to Victory, a movie which was dopey but I liked it .
I had no idea who Brianna Hildebrand is so I looked her up. She is pretty but she plays for the other team.
I liked both prior Deadpool's but Ryan Reyes always plays Ryan Reynolds. Naturally he's good at it.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 07:48 PM (DW4th)

18 I learned long ago that Korean girls are cute.

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 07:49 PM (LHPAg)

19 Yez hugh was slumming in this one

I liked him in swordfish even though he was unconvincing as a hacker

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 07:49 PM (PXvVL)

20 My grandson got me to take him to Deadpool and Wolverine; I’d watched Deadpool II on home rental with him so I knew what was going on. I enjoyed more that I thought I would but mainly for the comic gags and endless self referential bits. Much of the movie is spent in The Void, a place where all the obsolete and forgotten objects and beings in the universes are sent. As they travel through it, there’s a great big 20th Century Fox logo half buried in the sand.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 21, 2024 07:49 PM (CYs/R)

21 Another Asian movie where every teenage girl in the film was a trope?

Wait does that mean they all are, or are not, magic kung fu masters that kick monsters will wearing very short skirts?

Because hot girls kicking things in mini skirts is my oeuvre

Posted by: Joss Whedon at September 21, 2024 07:49 PM (oZhjI)

22 Watching Cincinnati Kid with Steve McQueen and Edward G Robinson

Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 07:50 PM (fwDg9)

23 moviegique, thanks so much for reminding me of the correct title of the horror movie 'Death Ship.'

I did rewatch it. Alright, not as terrorizing as when I was younger. And since I'm watching horror and slasher flicks, I'm becoming hardened.

I did watch 'Asian Schoolgirls' this week. A B movie from 'The Asylum' which I like because they have some pretty screwed up crap.

The movie was full of plotholes. Four asian schoolgirls get kidnapped, raped then seek revenge. Plotholes, acting was pretty good, the girls could have been hotter but there were gratuitous breasts and it was a fun movie.

10 out of 10!

But my tastes aren't that sophisticated....

Posted by: Stateless at September 21, 2024 07:50 PM (jvJvP)

24 Shut up Joss, you are bad joss.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 07:51 PM (nuxDz)

25 I liked Deadpool for the one-liners. That's it.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 21, 2024 07:51 PM (RIvkX)

26 Ryan Reynolds has mostly avoided all the woke crap and his movies are mostly just funny or action oriented...well, ignoring his Green Lantern which was neither.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 07:51 PM (oZhjI)

27 Yes the prestige is very good blut as one of podcasters dominick noble ? Put its shot out of order in telation to the book

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 07:51 PM (PXvVL)

28 I liked Morena Baccarin in Serenity but wow is she beautiful in the Deadpool movies.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 07:52 PM (oZhjI)

29 Some moron mentioned Dog Soldiers and so far its zombie-free. Am disappoint.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 21, 2024 07:52 PM (RIvkX)

30 Whedon did some good stuff. Sure he was an ass and also managed to somehow shackle all movies to his dialogue choices, but some of the stuff was good.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 07:53 PM (y31cs)

31 Well its werewolves vs the british army

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 07:53 PM (PXvVL)

32 28 I liked Morena Baccarin in Serenity but wow is she beautiful in the Deadpool movies.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 07:52 PM (oZhjI)

Yet a whore in both. Odd.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 07:53 PM (y31cs)

33 28 I liked Morena Baccarin in Serenity but wow is she beautiful in the Deadpool movies.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 07:52 PM (oZhjI

Check out the last season of'Stargate SG1.' I really liked the last few seasons and she was great there. Also, younger....

Posted by: Stateless at September 21, 2024 07:53 PM (jvJvP)

34 I had recently seen some of the new/old X-men movies, and I rather like "Days of Future Past" and the pairing of James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender. But then I watched one of the older X-men movies with Ian McKellan as Magneto and what a load of crap.

McKellan's a good actor but those movies were atrocious especially compared to the more resent ones.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 07:54 PM (oZhjI)

35 >>>Hugh Jackman's best movie? The Prestige. And one of Bale's best as well.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 07:48 PM (oZhjI)

After a quick look at IMDB Jackman's output isn't very impressive.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 07:54 PM (Xm9IS)

36 I totally don't remember you mentioning "Miracle Mile" in your reviews, 'Gique. But then, I never read the content.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 21, 2024 07:55 PM (kpS4V)

37 Whedon did some good stuff. Sure he was an ass and also managed to somehow shackle all movies to his dialogue choices, but some of the stuff was good.

Seasons 2-5 of BtVS were good and something different and for that he gets credit but...since then? Ugh.

Too bad for him he didn't go protest under an Israeli bulldozer or something 20 years ago.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 07:55 PM (oZhjI)

38 The snark is evident in the climactic battle scene - Juggernaut is neutralized (but not killed) when they manage to shove a high voltage power line up his ass, and then the ultra violent big fight where Deadpool and Wolverine have to kill100 fighters would be gruesome, except they’re all alternate universe Deadpool’s, so Deadpool is effectively killing himself 100 times. And of course they all come back to life, of course.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 21, 2024 07:56 PM (CYs/R)

39 Hugh Jackmon in "The Prisoner" was very well done.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 21, 2024 07:56 PM (I1GXe)

40 || Then I realized that was Escape to Victory, a movie which was dopey but I liked it .

No, no, that's "Victory" as well. Directed by John Huston, no less. Neither his nor Stallone's best work but far from their worst.

|| I did rewatch it. Alright, not as terrorizing as when I was younger. And since I'm watching horror and slasher flicks, I'm becoming hardened.

Yeah, it's spooky and creepy but very low-key by modern standards.

|| But my tastes aren't that sophisticated....

You know, this whole concept of "exploitation" movies sort of makes you think that they're cheap and easy. Well, they were cheap and they were probably relatively easy to the people making them, but there aren't many around who seem to be able to do them well.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 07:56 PM (asXVI)

41 Japan's answer to Robo Cop - Lady Battle Cop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdsLQGIoba0&t

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 07:56 PM (nuxDz)

42 I did like Jackman in The Fountain but that movie just never quite came together into something that felt like an actual movie.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 07:57 PM (oZhjI)

43 Seasons 2-5 of BtVS were good and something different and for that he gets credit but...since then? Ugh.

Too bad for him he didn't go protest under an Israeli bulldozer or something 20 years ago.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 07:55 PM (oZhjI)

Firefly and Serenity were still quite good. Last season of Angel was good. Avengers before superheroes were driven into the ground was good.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 07:57 PM (y31cs)

44 Well mckellan is sort of slumming it more of cartoon villain unlike fassbender stan lee really thought of him like begin rather than malcolm x hence the holocaust entry

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 07:57 PM (PXvVL)

45 Paramount marvel

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 07:59 PM (PXvVL)

46 It wasn't Stan Lee who made Magneto a survivor of the Holocaust but one of the later comic writers who's name now escapes me.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:00 PM (nuxDz)

47 Werner Herzog must be a bit too sophisticated to comment on superhero movies.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 21, 2024 08:00 PM (RIvkX)

48 >>Hugh Jackmon in "The Prisoner" was very well done.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 21, 2024 07:56 PM (I1GXe)

We're you referring to Prisoners. Jackman was good in that.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 08:00 PM (Xm9IS)

49 How did I miss the special characters?!

Doy. Does anyone care?
Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 07:34 PM (asXVI)

were they Hangul? If they were the only person I know of who will read them to me is my wife, and she isn't here.

I will keep this one in mind for my wife, she likes the Kpop dramas, and has Kokowa

Posted by: Kindltot at September 21, 2024 08:01 PM (D7oie)

50 || McKellan's a good actor but those movies were atrocious especially compared to the more resent ones.

X-Men 2 is one of the best superhero movies ever made. As is Spider-Man 2.

|| I liked Morena Baccarin in Serenity but wow is she beautiful in the Deadpool movies.

She is looking good.

|| Yet a whore in both. Odd.

Not really. It's a longstanding actress complaint (that has some merit, I think) that the two major roles they were given were "wife" or "whore". Hollywood fixed that by eliminating "wife".

|| I totally don't remember you mentioning "Miracle Mile" in your reviews, 'Gique.

Oh, yeah, I talk up MM a lot, actually. I've reviewed it at least twice. And it comes up with that particular type of movie that all takes place in one relatively short time-period.

If someone were to ask me if it's a good movie, I wouldn't be able to answer. I know that it holds my attention for a lot of reasons.

|| But then, I never read the content.

This is the Moron Way.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 08:01 PM (asXVI)

51 Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 07:54 PM (oZhjI

The old 'X-Men' animated cartoon from the 90's was fantastic! That's how I learned the 'X-Men' even existed. The best stories. 'The Axis of Time'.....I think that was the title was mind bending....

And yes to someone above....Korean women rule!

Good night everyone.

'Hellraiser' tonight.

Posted by: Stateless at September 21, 2024 08:01 PM (jvJvP)

52 I saw the second hunger games. They focus a lot more on the world versus just the games themselves and it is interesting that the big bad evil leader holds power by using his FNM to induce fear and celebrity worship to keep the peons under control. Sounds rather familiar doesn't it?

One thing that stuck out to me though - the actors in the movie are of course celebrities in our own real world. I wonder how many of them realized they were playing just a slightly more outlandish/over the top version of themselves in holding up the evil regime?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 08:01 PM (oZhjI)

53 Claremont

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 08:02 PM (PXvVL)

54 "The Night Stalker" is on Svengoolie.

Posted by: fd at September 21, 2024 08:02 PM (vFG9F)

55 hart, yes. Pardon my screwing it up.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 21, 2024 08:02 PM (I1GXe)

56 Chris Claremont?

I got his autograph. For a Star Trek comic. He was quite pleased by me having it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:03 PM (nuxDz)

57 I enjoyed Jackpot! too for the one-liners.

Lib little sis tells me the star actress's name is Nora and she is from Queens, and I said that's probably why I like her so much. She sounds like every girl I ever knew in school.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 21, 2024 08:03 PM (RIvkX)

58 I can remember in those halcyon days that the first singer X-Men was pretty good. And X2 was not too bad either.

Still like The Rocketeer more than both.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:03 PM (y31cs)

59 Msybe byrne

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 08:03 PM (PXvVL)

60 I'm pretty sure the entire high school cast is in their 20s and maybe even 30s

Heh. I’ve never really paid much attention to actors, and even less when I was younger. Liked Grease when I saw it on TV in the seventies, always sort of knew that Stockard Channing was older than the other actresses.

I recently rewatched it on a widescreen TV. All of the actors looked a lot older, to the point where I started to worry that maybe I’d bought some kind of cast reunion accidentally. Channing was the worst, very obviously a hard mid-thirties.

The movie was still an enjoyable re-watch, but I can’t imagine having seen it in the theaters as a teen. The cast would have looked ancient.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 21, 2024 08:04 PM (EXyHK)

61 The Rocketeer and Flash Gordon

Timothy Dalton

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:05 PM (nuxDz)

62 Got back several hours ago from seeing, "Am I racist?" with Matt Walsh. I agree with Ace; It's a very funny film and I recommend all conservatives go see it, not only because it skewers some of the grift artists who make a lot of money from DEI stuff, but because leftist reviewers refuse to go review it. I watched an interview of Matt Walsh with the "Buck and Clay" conservative radio guys (But I don't recommend watching that because it gives some things in the movie away.) They asked Walsh if he was ever tempted to smile and break character and he said "No; Because some of these DEI people are so thoroughly unlikeable that he didn't enjoy being around them Sarai Rao-in particular, in my opinion-the "Race To Dinner" woman has so much anger that she looks like she's going to spontneously combust.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 08:05 PM (dTTBf)

63 Well its werewolves vs the british army
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 07:53 PM (PXvVL)

Dog Soldiers? I think they were Territorials, not straight up Army. IIRC the werewolves ate the SAS first thing.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 21, 2024 08:06 PM (D7oie)

64 I never bothered to finish watching Dog Soldiers

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:07 PM (nuxDz)

65 || I did like Jackman in The Fountain but that movie just never quite came together into something that felt like an actual movie.

Two words. Just two words: Darren Aronofsky

DARREN ARONOFSKY! AWW!

I was looking for my "The Whale" mention I put here (last Christmas) and, holy cats, came across this review of "Black Swan" from 2011(!) in which I accuse it of being a "Blades of Glory" ripoff. Which is funny because I'm pretty sure I've never seen Blades of Glory.

OK, wait, Ace wrote this.

https://ace.mu.nu/archives/310528.php

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 08:07 PM (asXVI)

66 My reaction to Deadpool and Wolverine was, meh. The movie had its moments and was amusing in parts. However, the constant jokes about homosexual sex wore thin pretty fast for me. Also, the "gay snuff film" vibes at the beginning title sequence was rather obnoxious.

Ryan Reynolds tapping on the Fourth Wall was amusing, but a movie it does not make. I doubt I will ever watch the movie again.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 21, 2024 08:07 PM (pJWtt)

67 Willowed:

If anyone is interested in the antique photo album I'd mentioned a few weeks ago-- I found a free hosting site and posted links in the hobby thread.

Movie-related:

I bought some Clint Eastwood multi-movie sets this week. Haven't had time to relax & view them yet...

Posted by: JQ at September 21, 2024 08:08 PM (njWTi)

68 I've heard of Dog Soldiers. It as the shot to video video quality of Neil Breen.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:08 PM (y31cs)

69 You know, this whole concept of "exploitation" movies sort of makes you think that they're cheap and easy. Well, they were cheap and they were probably relatively easy to the people making them, but there aren't many around who seem to be able to do them well.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 07:56 PM

Exactly, I've seen a few 'Asylum' movies and they're very entertaining. Fun.

And I like 'Asylum' because they can do pretty messed up crap. 'ZNation' is on Roku and PlutoTV now. I was always into comedy shows, and a lot of kids Disney and Nick shows so when I first watched 'ZNation', it baptised me. And Kellita Smith was a fantastic female, black lead in charge of the team.

All of you have a happy week.

Thanks moviegique!

Posted by: Stateless at September 21, 2024 08:08 PM (jvJvP)

70 Neil Breen?

Does Col. Breen know of this chap?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:08 PM (nuxDz)

71 Screw all this fancy-scmancy crap. I'm watching "Yellowbeard"!

Posted by: pawn at September 21, 2024 08:09 PM (QB+5g)

72 47 Werner Herzog must be a bit too sophisticated to comment on superhero movies.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

He still typing it out. Patience.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at September 21, 2024 08:09 PM (iNUL3)

73 A couple days ago someone posted to YouTube the movie Borderlands.

I wonder if it is still up?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:10 PM (nuxDz)

74 I take it you've never seen Bring it On ?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 08:10 PM (jNAzB)

75 Anybody here interested in the upcoming Adam the First? I saw the trailer. Tattooed David Duchovny, living in a trailer, tells a fourteen-year-old boy, "I am not your father" before Duchovny gets gunned down by bounty hunters. The boy finds three possible candidates: violent prisoner, Christian minister (or cult leader?), and farmer (I think).

Honestly, one of the hints that this might be good is that the actor playing the kid looks like he might really be fourteen, not thirty.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at September 21, 2024 08:11 PM (BHrzb)

76 71 Screw all this fancy-scmancy crap. I'm watching "Yellowbeard"!

Personally, every time I hear of a movie made in my lifetime that I found disappointing at the time (like "Yellowbeard"), I'm sort of coming around to thinking "Maybe I should watch it again. A lot of that old crap was better than I thought."

Heh.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 08:11 PM (asXVI)

77 Movie choice of the evening, " The Stoning of Soraya M" or " The Sound of Music "

Posted by: Ben Had at September 21, 2024 08:12 PM (I1GXe)

78 73 A couple days ago someone posted to YouTube the movie Borderlands.

I wonder if it is still up?
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:10 PM (nuxDz)

Yes.

https://tinyurl.com/yc34rmck

Only left it open long enough to cut and paste the link in tinyurl.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:12 PM (y31cs)

79 Neil Breen?

Pre-COVID insanity I used to attend a bad movie meetup in North Austin. They were serious about choosing movies bad enough to goggle at. Neil Breen was well-represented.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 21, 2024 08:13 PM (EXyHK)

80 I picked up a DVD of The Brothers O'Toole with John Astin. I need to sit down and watch it.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 21, 2024 08:13 PM (D7oie)

81 74 I take it you've never seen Bring it On ?

I have not. But I would bet money they are, at best, superficially similar. (As in, they're both movies about cheerleaders.)

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 08:13 PM (asXVI)

82 70 Neil Breen?

Does Col. Breen know of this chap?
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:08 PM (nuxDz)

Nice. anna brings the esoteric TOS ref. Took me a min.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:14 PM (y31cs)

83 63 Well its werewolves vs the british army
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 07:53 PM (PXvVL)

Dog Soldiers? I think they were Territorials, not straight up Army. IIRC the werewolves ate the SAS first thing.
Posted by: Kindltot

Training exercise interrupted by werewolves. The territorials were to be the 'enemy' in a training exercise with the SAS, but the SAS got eaten. Good movie. I enjoyed it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at September 21, 2024 08:14 PM (iNUL3)

84 Anna Puma, well, that's it then. Life is too short for bad zombie movies.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 21, 2024 08:15 PM (RIvkX)

85 I just watched Pandorum again since we talked about it yesterday. Holds up well IMO . Apparently the critics hated it and did not make its money back at the box office. Kind of like Dredd (though not nearly as good) .

Still think it's much better than Event Horizon.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 08:15 PM (jNAzB)

86 77 Movie choice of the evening, " The Stoning of Soraya M" or " The Sound of Music "

That's a definite mood thing.

I can assure that the titles of both are accurate, but "Stoning" very literally so.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 08:15 PM (asXVI)

87 I have always looked at Jackman as an Australian poor man's actors version of Russell Crowe. Don't know if that's fair.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 08:16 PM (Xm9IS)

88 Posted by: Puddleglum at work at September 21, 2024 08:14 PM (iNUL3)

It's my top werewolf movie.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 08:16 PM (jNAzB)

89 Aetius

I was referencing Quatermass and the Pitt with Col. Breen as played by Julian Glover.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:16 PM (nuxDz)

90 For some reason, I just finished watching the Anthony Hopkins/Benicio Del Toro flick The Wolf Man. Cast ok, natch, effects ok, looked ok, but it just wasn't very much fun. YMMV.

Revisited a bunch of Ira Levin adaptations this past couple of weeks. Rosemary's Baby, The Boys from Brazil, The Stepford Wives (with Katharine Ross not the remake), Deathtrap (a delight from start to finish),Sliver (the only real meh in the bunch), A Kiss Before Dying (Robt Wagner, not the remake), and a couple of made for tv flicks -- Footsteps with Candice Bergen and Bryan Brown, and Dr. Cook's Garden with Bing Crosby (find it on YouTube -- it's worth a look).

Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 21, 2024 08:17 PM (q3u5l)

91 Ah really subreferencing

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 08:17 PM (PXvVL)

92 Tropic Thunder. it has it all. I rest my case.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 21, 2024 08:18 PM (UW5ES)

93 Wait, who was the character in ...

Colonel 'Green'!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:18 PM (y31cs)

94 The dirrectorsvcut of event horizon must be brutal
(With all the scenes in the hell dimension)

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 08:18 PM (PXvVL)

95 I have always looked at Jackman as an Australian poor man's actors version of Russell Crowe. Don't know if that's fair.
Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 08:16 PM (Xm

Is Russell Crowe is a poor man's Mel Gibson?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 08:18 PM (jNAzB)

96 fourth-wall gag has Deadpool apologizing for the movie length, in fact, which actually pretty well sums up this movie: It's not just a commentary on the superhero genre, it's a commentary on the commentary.

That's what a Deadpool movie should be like. He has two superpowers:

1) He has perfect regeneration; he can probably come back from a single cell.

B) He knows he's a superhero in a comic book. Or movie, presumably. He should be fighting by using lens flare to blind people, and then bashing them with boom mics. Or using the key grip as a human shield. In one of the video games he's in, he grabs his own health meter from the top of the screen to use as a weapon.

Posted by: mikeski at September 21, 2024 08:19 PM (DgGvY)

97 Ach, Deadpool, creation of Fabian Nicieza and Rob Liefeld, the latter of whom cannot draw convincing human bodies, and who also achieved the distinction of angering the ever jubilant Stan Lee. This last is on video, you can find it on the stately Yew Tubes. The Canadian maiden Ryan Reynolds did surprisingly well at bringing this protean character to the screen. Deadpool knows he is a fictional creation in a comic, yet he goes his merry way nonetheless, much as when one awakens believing you are in Frankfurt, then see through the window that it is only misbegotten village in Bavaria. Werner, I tell myself, it may be the Schwartzwald, but always in Bavaria is it Beer-Thirty. Then is there glee and the Weisbier flows. One more post.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at September 21, 2024 08:19 PM (tmPIh)

98 88 Posted by: Puddleglum at work at September 21, 2024 08:14 PM (iNUL3)

It's my top werewolf movie.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 08:16 PM (jNAzB)
Two best Russell Crowe moovies? Gladiator and Master And Commander. Fight me.

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 08:20 PM (LHPAg)

99 73 A couple days ago someone posted to YouTube the movie Borderlands.

I wonder if it is still up?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:10 PM (nuxDz)

Ariana Greenblatt is in that! She's had a great career since she played Daphne on disney's 'Stuck in The Middle.' Talented girl. Sweet.

She's been in several 'bad' movies like '65' and apparently 'Borderlands' but has also been in 'Barbie' and 'Avengers Infinity Wars' as young Gamora.

I started watching several of my favorite young actresses movies, which is how I started watching horror movies. The McGraw sisters Madeleine and Violet were in 'The Black Phone' and 'M3gan' and got great attention. It's funny because they're from the sweetest family.

Posted by: Stateless at September 21, 2024 08:20 PM (jvJvP)

100 Aetius

Heh. Imagine if the Excalibans had recreated Khan. Kirk would say, "I know him, he's still alive."

Excalibans, "Opps, you are free to go."

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:20 PM (nuxDz)

101 It's my top werewolf movie.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 08:16 PM (jNAzB)

Lon Chaney is just nudged out by the second Twilight.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 08:20 PM (Xm9IS)

102 85 I just watched Pandorum again since we talked about it yesterday. Holds up well IMO . Apparently the critics hated it and did not make its money back at the box office. Kind of like Dredd (though not nearly as good) .

Wow, that's 15 years ago! We liked it a lot at the time.

https://moviegique.com/2009/10/movie-review-pandorum/

I bet it didn't test well, so they dialed down the marketing.

|| Still think it's much better than Event Horizon.

"Event Horizon" is arguably not a very good movie at all. But it's got a lot of atmosphere and Sam Neill.

Maybe sci-fi horror would be fun for next time.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 08:21 PM (asXVI)

103 "Juke Girl" (1942) Itinerant workers at Florida farming hub agitate against Big Vegetable for fair market conditions. The Gipper steals a truck and gives Ann Sheridan pokies. Worth the watch. wbarchive

"Libeled Lady" (1936) Good-enough romantic farce. I want angler Myrna Loy to stomp all over me in those rubber hip-waders. Front and back. wbarchive

"Party Girl" (1930) $100/night escorts serve businessmen and elite playboys. Producers promise "This may happen! It is our earnest hope that this film may arouse you ..." Their hope is fulfilled, in my case, by the Marie Prevost massage scene.
youtube.com/watch?v=PFprdbtIXQY

"Man Bait" (1952) Diana Dors' luscious pillowy lips go all the way down to her pillowy luscious ass.

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 08:21 PM (XV0Oq)

104 Pandorum was just...weird.

I think it started strong, then the middle was meh...but then as you find out what has really happened it gets interesting again.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 08:21 PM (oZhjI)

105 Armageddon is on AMC. Dopey , scientifically ridiculous, but it is fun. Plus Willis just shot Ben Affleck

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 08:22 PM (DW4th)

106 Oh you mention Sunshine in your review of Pandorum and that movie...what a waste.

The first 2/3s or so are great SF. The last third is a terrible monster movie.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 08:22 PM (oZhjI)

107 94 The dirrectorsvcut of event horizon must be brutal
(With all the scenes in the hell dimension)
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 08:18 PM (PXvVL)

IIRC, Critical Drinker got into that movie and interviewed a couple people involved with the film. Evidently a lot of the cut footage does not exist anymore because of water damage or a fire or both.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:23 PM (y31cs)

108 Sci-fi horror?

Alien bursts to the top of the list.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:23 PM (nuxDz)

109 "Armageddon is on AMC"

The Loudest Movie Ever Made. She's gonna blooowwww!!

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 08:23 PM (XV0Oq)

110 94 The dirrectorsvcut of event horizon must be brutal
(With all the scenes in the hell dimension)
Posted by: Miguel cervantes

If I recall, the production of it was a mess and there isn't a director's cut. It seems that it started as a drama but deemed boring, it switched to a horror movie, midway through shooting. Or something like that. I liked it anyway. I'm sure the movie nerds here will correct me. I'm going on my terrible memory about what happened to the production of this film. It was a mess.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at September 21, 2024 08:23 PM (iNUL3)

111 Not enough rounds

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 08:24 PM (PXvVL)

112 105 Armageddon is on AMC. Dopey , scientifically ridiculous, but it is fun. Plus Willis just shot Ben Affleck
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 08:22 PM (DW4th)

The Frank Capra moment is good.

Michael Bay can do fun movies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:24 PM (y31cs)

113 The Howling was a very good werewolf movie

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 08:24 PM (DW4th)

114 108 Sci-fi horror?

Alien bursts to the top of the list.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:23 PM (nuxDz)

Predator is a better, more fun movie.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:24 PM (y31cs)

115 Two best Russell Crowe moovies? Gladiator and Master And Commander. Fight me.
Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 08:20 PM (LHPAg)

When I was taking a philosophy course in college, the professor mentioned that, if you fast-forward through the action, the dialogue of Gladiator is a pretty good introduction to Stoic philosophy.

Trailers for Gladiator II looks awful. I have interest in watching that turd.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 21, 2024 08:25 PM (pJWtt)

116 96: In one of the video games he's in, he grabs his own health meter from the top of the screen to use as a weapon.
Posted by: mikeski

Heh!

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at September 21, 2024 08:25 PM (iNUL3)

117 Prospect is a good SciFispace movie about Father and daughter team that mine different planets.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 08:25 PM (jNAzB)

118 "Armageddon is on AMC"

I think that's the last time I was in a movie theater.

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 08:25 PM (XV0Oq)

119 Trailers for Gladiator II looks awful. I have interest in watching that turd.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 21, 2024 08:25 PM (pJWtt)

Hope for nudity. Given the current era though...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:25 PM (y31cs)

120 Seasons 2-5 of BtVS were good and something different and for that he gets credit but...since then? Ugh.
Posted by: 18-1

Firefly and Serenity were still quite good. Last season of Angel was good. Avengers before superheroes were driven into the ground was good.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

I liked Firefly. Buffy worked better than Angel because "campy goth" works and "campy noir" doesn't.

Posted by: mikeski at September 21, 2024 08:26 PM (DgGvY)

121 "multiverses are the worst lazy writer's device since time travel."

I dunno. It's probably tied with "Main character gets knocked out and a lot of stuff happens while they are unconscious".

Which, when I think about it, is pretty much like time travel...

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 21, 2024 08:26 PM (fv27Y)

122 106 Oh you mention Sunshine in your review of Pandorum and that movie...what a waste.

The first 2/3s or so are great SF. The last third is a terrible monster movie.||

Yep, very hard to stick the landings on the "old, dark house"/sci-fi combos.

|| That's what a Deadpool movie should be like. ||

Oh, no doubt. And I've never read the comic so I have no idea how they're doing.

But if it's like the movie, it's fine when it's a series of jokes, and (to me) less interesting when they pretend there are consequences to anything.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 08:26 PM (asXVI)

123 Event Horizon is a good movie. Haunted House/Ghost Ship thing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:26 PM (y31cs)

124 94 The dirrectorsvcut of event horizon must be brutal
(With all the scenes in the hell dimension)
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at September 21, 2024 08:18 PM (PXvVL)

IIRC, Critical Drinker got into that movie and interviewed a couple people involved with the film. Evidently a lot of the cut footage does not exist anymore because of water damage or a fire or both.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:23 PM (y31cs)

Or that's just the cover story. Stan doesn't want people to think he exists.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 21, 2024 08:26 PM (pJWtt)

125 I liked Firefly. Buffy worked better than Angel because "campy goth" works and "campy noir" doesn't.
Posted by: mikeski at September 21, 2024 08:26 PM (DgGvY)

I think the last season is good. There are a few episodes that were not half bad in the first four seasons, but you are right about the tone.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:27 PM (y31cs)

126 @114 Aetius, Predator is on BBC as we speak.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 08:27 PM (DW4th)

127 || I dunno. It's probably tied with "Main character gets knocked out and a lot of stuff happens while they are unconscious".||

That sounds pretty awful. References?

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 08:27 PM (asXVI)

128 This may sound a bit odd but I have a movie project. Back when it came out, I watched Paper Moon (Ryan and Tatum O'Neil). It's a good movie. Recently, I had a post show up on my FB feed, saying it was filmed near Hays KS. This is within driving distance for me. There was another post with a picture of the hill at the end of the movie and how it looks today. Someone mentioned the road, so I took a drive to find it. There's some good info in other posts and most of it was filmed in McCracken and Ellis. I'm going to watch the film tomorrow and will drive out to those locations next week. Never really lived in an area where I could see a movie location.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 08:28 PM (MpVUb)

129 The best part of the Doom movie was when it went into first person shooter mode.

Though why make a movie and call it Doom if you are just going to make a Resident Evil knock off?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 08:28 PM (oZhjI)

130 Hope for nudity. Given the current era though...
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:25 PM (y31cs)

Yeah, we'll probably get to see the Roman Emperor and his catamite getting frisky. Hard pass.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 21, 2024 08:28 PM (pJWtt)

131 126 @114 Aetius, Predator is on BBC as we speak.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 08:27 PM (DW4th)

One of the most perfect movies ever made in my opinion for what it does. Changes gears so effortlessly and you do not even notice it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:28 PM (y31cs)

132 129 The best part of the Doom movie was when it went into first person shooter mode.

Though why make a movie and call it Doom if you are just going to make a Resident Evil knock off?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 08:28 PM (oZhjI)

Poor Karl Urban.

Dredd was near perfect. In a Just world, that would have launched his career.

Probably a bit too brutal though for the normies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:29 PM (y31cs)

133 @98 Eromero, Master and Commander is probably one of my top ten favorite movies. Crowe' s best IMHO.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 08:31 PM (DW4th)

134 128 I enjoy trying to identify locations in old movies. Bring em up on StreetView, see how they've changed. I saw a YT vid that hunted all the Laurel and Hardy shooting locations.

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 08:31 PM (XV0Oq)

135 Predator is a better, more fun movie.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:24 PM (y31cs)

In a very small minority but I liked Predators better than Predator.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 08:31 PM (jNAzB)

136 133 Recommended.

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 08:32 PM (XV0Oq)

137 In a very small minority but I liked Predators better than Predator.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 08:31 PM (jNAzB)

*slowly slides the bong away from sebastian*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 08:32 PM (y31cs)

138 At the risk of sounding like Monty Python's Spanish Inquisition, FOUR, that is, FOUR possible candidates who might be his father!

Posted by: Pete in Texas at September 21, 2024 08:33 PM (BHrzb)

139 >>The Howling was a very good werewolf movie
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 08:24 PM (DW4th)

Not bad. But Dee Wallace circa Cujo was a hyper-milf. Just wow.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 08:33 PM (Xm9IS)

140 Never really lived in an area where I could see a movie location.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 08:28 PM (MpVUb)

There's a little high school wresting movie, Take Down (1979) that was filmed in the sprawling metropolis of Mingo Junction, Ohio -- yes, it's a real place. I lived there 1974-1975 while the Old Man was stationed at Subic Bay. Mom wanted to live close to her parents while he was overseas.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 21, 2024 08:33 PM (pJWtt)

141 Was happy to get my copy of "Bringing Out the Dead" in 4K.

I believe it's one of Scorsese's best movies.

The easy way to give you a feel for it is:

Imagine "Taxi Driver" if it was a dark comedy and instead of ending in horrific bloodshed, ends in love, forgiveness, and completion. Maybe the only "happy" movie The Scordog ever made.

BONUS! It stars Nicholas Cage in one of his best performances.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 21, 2024 08:33 PM (eDfFs)

142 Or that's just the cover story. Stan doesn't want people to think he exists.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 21, 2024 08:26 PM (pJWtt)
Nailed it there, bro.

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 08:34 PM (LHPAg)

143 @135 so small.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at September 21, 2024 08:34 PM (2xB3Z)

144 Thought Crowe was pretty good in LA Confidential too.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 21, 2024 08:34 PM (q3u5l)

145 Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 08:31 PM (DW4th)

"Master and Commander"-very good film, although I read most the books years ago. I was sorry that they didn't make some more movies from the series, but someone told me they went over budget on that one and it wasn't received as well as the producers would have liked.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 08:35 PM (dTTBf)

146 The thing about this area is that there are a lot of buildings from the 20s and 30s. Some may be missing a roof but there are some just no longer in use. And they made use of the limestone in the area. You can get that feel for how tough The Great Depression was to live through.

We used to be able to recognize places where they filmed Grim, but it's not the same.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 08:35 PM (MpVUb)

147 "Never really lived in an area where I could see a movie location."

Los Angeles is the best. So many movies shot there over so many decades. It's a location goldmine of SoCal history.

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 08:35 PM (XV0Oq)

148 I'm sitting in the theater waiting for Am I A Racist as I type.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at September 21, 2024 08:35 PM (5ICFR)

149 Victory was a well-composed and compelling film. Still, however, Werner is puzzled by the dominance of the schoolgirl motif in Japanese and South Korean cinema. Clearly there is a reason for this, and equally clearly Werner does not wish to know.

I should mention that because I am listed as an Ayn Rand adjacent person, I cannot visit South Korea. What led to her ban there? It was not the occasion when she declared Kimchi was an abomination and thrashed the nation's Tae Kwon Do Olympics team. Nor was it when she pimp-slapped pop artist Psy and forced him to give her piggy-back rides. It was not even when she asaulted the entirety of Korea's version of SNL, calling them a derivative of a derivative. No, the real reason was... it is better that you not know. Werner wishes he did not. To this day, when the Rand Incident is brought up, South Korean forensic scientists scream for four minutes before fleeing in tears, The nation's President sleeps with a night light, crowded city streets become stampedes, the DMZ becomes congested as people flee for safety to Kim Jong Un's Hell-House. Every Korean child checks under their bed, lest she be there. The horror, the horror.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at September 21, 2024 08:36 PM (tmPIh)

150 Never really lived in an area where I could see a movie location.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 08:28 PM (MpVUb)

Several George Romero Dead movie were shot near where I grew up. I have relatives buried in Evans City Cemetery (Night of the Living Dead). I can say my G-G-Grandparents were in that movie! Well, under it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at September 21, 2024 08:37 PM (EweRc)

151 Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 08:28 PM (MpVUb)

That sounds like a very interesting thing to do.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 08:37 PM (dTTBf)

152 133 @98 Eromero, Master and Commander is probably one of my top ten favorite movies. Crowe' s best IMHO.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 08:31 PM (DW4th)
I'm reading the series now. Those sailors were some tough s.o.b.s. Sailing on aircraft carriers with a/c and fore and aft galleys don't compare atall.

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 08:37 PM (LHPAg)

153 Russell Crowe is the only actor I can see in Mel Gibson roles. And I can picture Mel Gibson doing Crowe's roles too.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 08:37 PM (jNAzB)

154 Crowe better actor than Jackman. Probably not that controversial.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 08:38 PM (Xm9IS)

155 Every time a new movie comes out, and I think I might want to see it, I put it on a silent list... then I forget about them.

These days I'm touring Shelly Duvall's output. If you don't understand why, I don't know what to tell you. Saw "Time Bandits" the other day. I know I'd seen it before, but had forgotten around 95% of it. Somehow I didn't remember it was basically a kid movie.

I have 3 Women cued up, but then Shelly is still competing with Barbara Stanwyck. I saw "Cry Wolf" earlier this week, which pairs Babs with Errol Flynn. I was surprisingly good.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 08:39 PM (4nh7V)

156 Posted by: Quarter Twenty at September 21, 2024 08:35 PM (5ICFR)

Please let us know what you think, but if it's tonight I won't see it because I won't be up that late.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 08:39 PM (dTTBf)

157 || Never really lived in an area where I could see a movie location.

Yeah, I can't really relate.

|| Los Angeles is the best. So many movies shot there over so many decades. It's a location goldmine

When #3 wanted to do a Western retrospective, she got to see our backyard being used as the Old West. Quite a few locations are unchanged after 85 years.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 08:39 PM (asXVI)

158
Speaking of Nicholas Cage...

"The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent'

is streaming on HULU.

It a very funny comedy in which Nicholas Cage plays an insufferable actor named Nicholas Cage who gets involved in a CIA plot to bring down an illegal arms dealer.

I laughed all the way through. Wonderful take down of actor egos and Hollywood types in general.

One minor complaint is that in order for the movie to have an ending, they throw in a bunch of plot that slows things down a bit, but isn't fatal to the movie.

BONUS! It makes you want to watch the movie, "Padington 2".

Posted by: naturalfake at September 21, 2024 08:41 PM (eDfFs)

159 And I did watch Hillbilly Elegy. Was hard for me to join Netflix to watch it (I worked at Netflix for a year) but I'd seen so many clips that I needed the whole movie.

It's very well done. The cast is excellent, especially Glenn Close and the kid that plays the young JD. It follows the book pretty closely. It's amazing that they could make a movie like that, a coming of age movie. I am going to watch the Highwaymen, which I think is the one on Bonnie and Clyde.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 08:41 PM (MpVUb)

160 157 I think LA City Hall may be the most frequently filmed city landmark. See it in ALL the old movies.

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 08:42 PM (XV0Oq)

161 I think LA City Hall may be the most frequently filmed city landmark. See it in ALL the old movies.
Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 08:42 PM (XV0Oq)

Grand Central Station would have to be a close second.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 08:43 PM (jNAzB)

162 153 Russell Crowe is the only actor I can see in Mel Gibson roles. And I can picture Mel Gibson doing Crowe's roles too.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 08:37 PM (jNAzB)
I could see Russell Crowe in The Patriot, at a stretch.

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 08:43 PM (LHPAg)

163 Was happy to get my copy of "Bringing Out the Dead" in 4K.

I believe it's one of Scorsese's best movies.

The easy way to give you a feel for it is:

Imagine "Taxi Driver" if it was a dark comedy and instead of ending in horrific bloodshed, ends in love, forgiveness, and completion. Maybe the only "happy" movie The Scordog ever made.

BONUS! It stars Nicholas Cage in one of his best performances.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 21, 2024 08:33 PM (eDfFs)

I know I saw it eons ago, but don't remember anything about it.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 08:43 PM (4nh7V)

164 When #3 wanted to do a Western retrospective, she got to see our backyard being used as the Old West. Quite a few locations are unchanged after 85 years.
Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 08:39 PM (asXVI)

Are they still using those for current movies?

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 08:43 PM (Xm9IS)

165 First Kolchak movie on Svengoolie.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 21, 2024 08:44 PM (ufFY8)

166 So that's two films I've seen in two weeks-"Reagan" and "Am I Racist?. Since I see about three films a year-maybe- that's a big number in a short time.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 08:44 PM (dTTBf)

167 Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 08:39 PM (4nh7V)
Shelley Duvall's Mother Goose Rhymes is a guilty pleasure of mine. No, I wasn't smoking dope neither.

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 08:44 PM (LHPAg)

168 @152 Eromero, definitely. When you read old histories you realize the damage that could be done with just a scratch. In M+C Lord Blakeny gets the wood blown into his arm and it's fractured. Today surgery immediately and antibiotics. Back then arm amputated. Plus on those ships the food was atrocious, water was at a minimum, it was cramped and disease was endemic. Yup real tough

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 08:46 PM (DW4th)

169 They did a documentary on finding the set for Intolerance. I would imagine there's lots of interesting sites. Most areas change so much. I was in Modesto when American Graffiti came out. It had gotten a lot bigger so harder to get the feel. And some of that movie was filmed in San Francisco.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 08:46 PM (MpVUb)

170
Shelley Duvall is one of those actors where you're not really sure if she's doing a great job acting or her oddball look is doing all the heavy lifting.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 21, 2024 08:47 PM (eDfFs)

171 "Maybe the only "happy" movie The Scordog ever made."

Eh, whaddaya mean "happy?" Happy how? Like laughing gas? Like I'm here to make you laugh?

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 08:47 PM (XV0Oq)

172 Finding shooting locations from real-life movies and TV shows is one thing.

Tracking down the real-life locations that were drawn to make anime backgrounds is something else. Search for "anime pilgrimage" to find some.

Posted by: mikeski at September 21, 2024 08:47 PM (DgGvY)

173 >>So that's two films I've seen in two weeks-"Reagan" and "Am I Racist?. Since I see about three films a year-maybe- that's a big number in a short time.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 08:44 PM (dTTBf)

Fen quick reviews of both would be appreciated.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 08:48 PM (Xm9IS)

174 "Master and Commander"-very good film, although I read most the books years ago. I was sorry that they didn't make some more movies from the series, but someone told me they went over budget on that one and it wasn't received as well as the producers would have liked.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
-------
As is often the case, the movie doesn't do the book(s) justice. To see the movie, and imagine that you have the gist of the books(s) is very wrong, in this case.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2024 08:49 PM (XeU6L)

175 Hollywood used to make some thoughtful movies. The last one that I can remember seeing was Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk (2016). It's an interesting movie where one of the soldiers get awarded a Silver Star, and Big Army sends him and his squad mates out for a dog-and-pony show for a recruiting drive.

It's one of the few recent movies that even explores the bonds that fighting men form with each other. The ending lines are "I love you" but they aren't making any sexual references.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 21, 2024 08:49 PM (pJWtt)

176 I have not read "Hilbilly Elegy" but now that I appreciate J.D. Vance as VP candidate, I think I would like to read the book and see the movie.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 08:49 PM (dTTBf)

177 Watching this, or any big budget movie these days, is sort of like watching your figure skating team at the Olympics when it's going through a bad patch. (Debi Thomas, anyone?) There's tremendous skill and a huge talent pool and craftsmanship everywhere, but you're still bored and don't really care what happens.

------

FIFY

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 21, 2024 08:49 PM (0FoWg)

178 Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 08:39 PM (4nh7V)
Shelley Duvall's Mother Goose Rhymes is a guilty pleasure of mine. No, I wasn't smoking dope neither.
Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 08:44 PM (LHPAg)

There are basically three different versions of these shows: 1. Faerie Tale Theater
2. Tall Tales and Legends
3. Shelley Duvall's Bedtime Stories

If you want to buy a complete set of any of the three, it'll cost ya. I got a 4 episode Dvd from #1, I'm looking forward to watching those. If they spark me to, I'll lay out the cash for the rest.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 08:50 PM (Pfem1)

179
Anyone seen "The Substance"?

I'm tempted to go because it's gotten great reviews that compare it to early Cronenberg.

Buuuuuuuuuut, it also seems to be an eleventy on the feminist/woke complaint dial.

Which makes me wonder...is "The Substance" really that good or a big push cuz a woman directed it?

So...anyone seen it?

Posted by: naturalfake at September 21, 2024 08:51 PM (eDfFs)

180 I just noticed that Maj. Frank Burns is in Nightstalker. I can't really see him as anybody else though.

Posted by: haffhowershower at September 21, 2024 08:52 PM (NMT5x)

181 I was in Modesto when American Graffiti came out. It had gotten a lot bigger so harder to get the feel. And some of that movie was filmed in San Francisco.
Posted by: Notsothoreau

Most of "Fargo" (allegedy a city in North Dakota) was filmed around Brainerd, Minnesota.

Except for the Paul Bunyan "Welcome To Brainerd" sign, which was built in North Dakota, just for the movie.

Posted by: mikeski at September 21, 2024 08:52 PM (DgGvY)

182 "So...anyone seen it?"

It sounds sticky somehow.

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 08:53 PM (XV0Oq)

183 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2024 08:49 PM (XeU6L)

Movies don't often do the books justice, but it's definitely a series that many women could enjoy because of the men even though the women (Sophie and who's the Dr's girlfriend's /wife's name? Haven't read the books in a while) don't appear very often at least in the first couple of books I read. Those are good examples of male friendships, I think.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 08:53 PM (dTTBf)

184 Yeah, Shelley Duvall got Ringo Starr, Robin Williams, and a buncha other people to put on silly costumes and act out children's fairy tales. How cool is that? Well looking back.....

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 08:54 PM (LHPAg)

185 108 Sci-fi horror?

Alien bursts to the top of the list.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2024 08:23 PM (nuxDz)

Noice! Nothing against Alien, but my favorite scene is actually the spoof of the chest burster in Spaceballs.

Posted by: haffhowershower at September 21, 2024 08:54 PM (NMT5x)

186 Shelley Duvall is one of those actors where you're not really sure if she's doing a great job acting or her oddball look is doing all the heavy lifting.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 21, 2024 08:47 PM (eDfFs)

I wish she'd done more "straight" roles, rather than being cast for her looks. I think she's wonderful.

Evidently the stories you'll see about how horrible her life turned out are not exactly true. She had mental illness struggles (who in Hollyweird doesn't), but she went back to the town she grew up in, led a quiet life there, mostly accepted by the townfolk, who were kind and caring toward her, until her death.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 08:55 PM (Pfem1)

187 "Groundhog Day" (1993) was filmed in Woodstock, where my veterinarian's office is. The good vet, not my regular vet.

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 08:55 PM (XV0Oq)

188 So that's two films I've seen in two weeks-"Reagan" and "Am I Racist?. Since I see about three films a year-maybe- that's a big number in a short time.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 08:44 PM (dTTBf)

Reagan was pretty good. I don't know how successful they were in making Dennis Quaid look younger while portraying Ronald Reagan's early years, but the movie was an interesting melding of actors and historical footage. A number of the incidents I remembered.

I don't know that I will watch Am I a Racist? in the theater.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 21, 2024 08:56 PM (pJWtt)

189 BONUS! It makes you want to watch the movie, "Padington 2".
Posted by: naturalfake

Fun fact - that is how one says this, ja? As my prep work for Grizzly Man, Werner consulted the Paddington film and Paddington's literary corpus. It cemented within my mind and soul the perversity to which Paddington was assaulted. He is a bear, but he is forced to wear human garb and treated as a member of English bourgeois society. Surely he must behave in accord with his ursine nature. His primal drive to rend and tear, to employ his powerful fangs, this is the Bear's raison d'etre. The humiliation of Paddington infused Werner with the proper spirit to craft a film around an idiot who pisses off bears and is shocked when they go medieval on his ass. Someday shall Werner regale you with the tale of how I acted as the agent of the Cosmos to give Dr. Seuss the justice he merited. One fish, two fish, red fish, oh God, so red, please put away your aluminum bat. Good times, ja.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at September 21, 2024 08:56 PM (tmPIh)

190 187 Woodstock has a vegetarian place. I like falafel. So sue me.

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 08:56 PM (XV0Oq)

191 That would be an interesting topic for a movie thread maybe-Strong friendships in movies.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 08:56 PM (dTTBf)

192 Yeah, Shelley Duvall got Ringo Starr, Robin Williams, and a buncha other people to put on silly costumes and act out children's fairy tales. How cool is that? Well looking back.....
Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 08:54 PM (LHPAg)

Now I don't recall which ones of them she was dating, but she had more than a couple big name partners. I think Starr was one of them.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 08:57 PM (Pfem1)

193 186 Shelley Duvall is one of those actors where you're not really sure if she's doing a great job acting or her oddball look is doing all the heavy lifting.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 21, 2024 08:47 PM (eDfFs)

I wish she'd done more "straight" roles, rather than being cast for her looks. I think she's wonderful.

Evidently the stories you'll see about how horrible her life turned out are not exactly true. She had mental illness struggles (who in Hollyweird doesn't), but she went back to the town she grew up in, led a quiet life there, mostly accepted by the townfolk, who were kind and caring toward her, until her death.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 08:55 PM (Pfem1)
Texas, I believe. 'Howdy, come on in Ms. Duvall. Have some tea.'

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 08:57 PM (LHPAg)

194 || Are they still using those for current movies?

TV mostly. Let's take...mmmm...Stagecoach (1939).

Iverson Ranch. Over a thousand movies and TV shows. Though apparently it became a residential area in 2009. Crap.

Well, Big Sky Ranch is still around. A lot of TV there (Little House, Raw Hide, Carnivale) as well as some more modern movies (MiB, Coming To America, Hail Caesar) and some recent Westerns.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 08:58 PM (asXVI)

195 Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 21, 2024 08:56 PM (pJWt

I went to see it in the movie because it was an anniversary gift. FenSpouse and I don't get out to movies very often. I went to "Reagan" with my son and a femal friend because spouse was at work.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 08:59 PM (dTTBf)

196 194 So cool!

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 08:59 PM (XV0Oq)

197 Texas, I believe. 'Howdy, come on in Ms. Duvall. Have some tea.'
Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 08:57 PM (LHPAg)

Yep, I saw a short retrospective recently, she was called "The Texas Twiggy."

That about sums it up.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 09:00 PM (Pfem1)

198 OT but Kamala is not going to attend the Al Smith Dinner in NY. She's the first candidate to skip it since Mondale in 84. How'd that work out?

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 09:00 PM (DW4th)

199 I'd forgotten about Twilight. The marina next to our river place was in that and there's a house in the Gorge I used to drive by.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 09:00 PM (MpVUb)

200 Happy Anniversary to Fen!

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 09:00 PM (XV0Oq)

201 || So...anyone seen it?

We're on the fence with that one for all the same reasons you are.

|| Now I don't recall which ones of them she was dating, but she had more than a couple big name partners. I think Starr was one of them.

Shelly Duvall was dating Paul Simon, and introduced him to Carrie Fisher.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 09:01 PM (asXVI)

202 Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 09:00 PM (XV0Oq)

Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 09:01 PM (dTTBf)

203 multiverses are the worst lazy writer's device since time travel.

Ahem... "it was all just a dream!"

Posted by: mindful webworker - wakey wakey at September 21, 2024 09:02 PM (LSug7)

204 Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 09:00 PM (DW4th)

Isn't the A l Smith dinner sort of a "roast" of politicians?. I can't imagine Kamala taking that at all well.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 09:03 PM (dTTBf)

205 I just noticed that Maj. Frank Burns is in Nightstalker. I can't really see him as anybody else though.
Posted by: haffhowershower

He did a great job in a Rockford episode as a manipulative and uncaring expert with the Department of Labor. He was running a study on how much shit Rockford would take for how little money.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 09:03 PM (L/fGl)

206 who's the Dr's girlfriend's /wife's name?
-----

Diana Villiers

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2024 09:04 PM (XeU6L)

207 Iverson Ranch. Over a thousand movies and TV shows. Though apparently it became a residential area in 2009. Crap.

Well, Big Sky Ranch is still around. A lot of TV there (Little House, Raw Hide, Carnivale) as well as some more modern movies (MiB, Coming To America, Hail Caesar) and some recent Westerns.
Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 08:58 PM (asXVI)

There's the area near Hwy 128, east of Moab, that was the site of many films and tv westerns. I always meant to visit, when I was living closer.

Oh well.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 09:04 PM (Pfem1)

208 The book is very good, Fen. He does care about those folks in the Rust Belt because those are the folks he grew up with. But he also knows that they need to step up and live right. I'd say book first,then the movie.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 09:04 PM (MpVUb)

209
multiverses are the worst lazy writer's device since time travel.

Ahem... "it was all just a dream!"
Posted by: mindful webworker - wakey wakey

Or one actor playing a dual role.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 21, 2024 09:05 PM (63Dwl)

210 205 I just noticed that Maj. Frank Burns is in Nightstalker. I can't really see him as anybody else though.
Posted by: haffhowershower

He did a great job in a Rockford episode as a manipulative and uncaring expert with the Department of Labor. He was running a study on how much shit Rockford would take for how little money.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 09:03 PM (L/fGl)
Funny thing was Maj. Frank Burns was the good guy in MASH.

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 09:05 PM (LHPAg)

211 Blondie: -.-
Angel Eyes: -.-
Tuco: O.O

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 21, 2024 09:05 PM (lhenN)

212 "He was running a study on how much shit Rockford would take for how little money."

What did the study conclude? How many pounds of shit per dollar would Rockford take?

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 09:06 PM (XV0Oq)

213 >>OT but Kamala is not going to attend the Al Smith Dinner in NY. She's the first candidate to skip it since Mondale in 84. How'd that work out?
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 09:00 PM (DW4th)

Yeah at this point it's massive vote fraud to put Kamala over the line or Trump winning a legitimate election.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 09:06 PM (Xm9IS)

214 Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 09:04 PM (MpVUb)

Thanks. I will get the book I think it's on a huge waiting list at the library, and owning another book is not something I need to do.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 09:06 PM (dTTBf)

215 Or one actor playing a dual role.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 21, 2024 09:05 PM (63Dwl)

That's got to be hard to do.

Ryan George: Actually it's super easy, barely an inconvenience!

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 09:07 PM (Pfem1)

216 Diana Villiers
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2024 09:04 PM (XeU6L)

Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 09:07 PM (dTTBf)

217 Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at September 21, 2024 08:56 PM (tmPIh)

Hey Werner,

I guess I have to hail you as a genius.

I recently saw "Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans" on Criterion, which I more or less expected to be a steaming pile.

But, it was great movie, very entertaining, with a great Nicholas Cage performance. And like "Bringing Out the Dead' mentioned above, a dark comedy that may be the only "happy" movie you ever made.

What's the deal here? You and Scorsese sharing some kind of mind-meld thru the shamanistic acting powers of Nicholas Cage?

Posted by: naturalfake at September 21, 2024 09:08 PM (eDfFs)

218 Don't have much of a problem with one actor in a dual role -- unless it's an evil twin bit.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 21, 2024 09:08 PM (q3u5l)

219 Some interesting commentary by Costner on the making of 'Open Range'

t.ly/e54xA

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2024 09:08 PM (XeU6L)

220 @204 Fen, yup a lot of good intentioned ribbing. Trump and Hillary both laughed at themselves and each other in 2016. Kamala not so much

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 09:09 PM (DW4th)

221 218 Don't have much of a problem with one actor in a dual role -- unless it's an evil twin bit.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 21, 2024 09:08 PM (q3u5l)
Hailey Mills.

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 09:10 PM (LHPAg)

222 Don't have much of a problem with one actor in a dual role -- unless it's an evil twin bit.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 21, 2024 09:08 PM (q3u5l)

There was one of those, with Sean Young. Now I don't remember the title, and I'm not going to look it up, but boy, was she good looking.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 09:10 PM (Pfem1)

223 The Tree where Andy buried stuff for Red was visited so much they had to stop it IIRC. Saw it on an episode of Aerial America.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 09:11 PM (jNAzB)

224 >Watching this, or any big budget movie these days, is sort of like watching your figure skating team at the Olympics when it's going through a bad patch. (Debi Thomas, anyone?) There's tremendous skill and a huge talent pool and craftsmanship everywhere, but you're still bored and don't really care what happens.

Two of my favorite narrators on audiobooks could do whatever they want. If you cast them in Shakespeare or the Simpson (EI doing 25 distinct character) they would thrive. I looked them up on IMDB and they were the sneaky asian-type aliens in the Star Wars prequels. They had less than ten lines.

An embarrassment of riches comes to every big-budget movie, where every person is grossly overqualified.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 21, 2024 09:11 PM (lhenN)

225 221 Ewan McGregor in a season of the Fargo series.

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 09:11 PM (XV0Oq)

226 >There was one of those, with Sean Young.

Does she get her tits out? Er the evil one, does she get her tits out?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 21, 2024 09:12 PM (lhenN)

227 I thought the Deadpool Wolverine movie sucked out loud

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at September 21, 2024 09:12 PM (WRFjl)

228 I've seen two Reagan movies lately. The Girl From Jones Beach is a romantic comedy in which Reagan's character pretends to be an Hungarian immigrant in order to make time with an English as a second language teacher. The other was Cavalry Charge, a pretty poor Civil War out west movie.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 09:12 PM (L/fGl)

229 219 Some interesting commentary by Costner on the making of 'Open Range'

t.ly/e54xA
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2024 09:08 PM (XeU6L)
You know, everybody hammers Coster's tit about Waterworld, and yet, and yet, there's Open Range.

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 09:12 PM (LHPAg)

230 Frank Grillo has 25 movie credits from 2021 to present, including future projects planned for 2025.

Twenty

Five

We are halfway through what will one day be called "The Decade of Grillo."

Posted by: Sharkman at September 21, 2024 09:13 PM (/RHNq)

231 Okay I remembered wrong. The tree was hit by lightning and five years later knocked down by strong wings.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 09:13 PM (jNAzB)

232 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 09:12 PM (L/fGl)

I like old movies, but I don't think I've ever actually seen Reagan in a movie. Was he a good actor?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 09:14 PM (dTTBf)

233 Deadpool & Wolverine - Surly this is a re-release of a Marvel movie from at least 10 years ago and if it isn't it could be. Color me as beyond Marvel Comics based movies. They made for some decent loud and trashy entertainment until the MCU become as bloated as a week old dead cow and I gave up caring who the girl boss de jour was and why I was supposed to care about this carboard cutout character.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at September 21, 2024 09:14 PM (LrWnf)

234 There was one of those, with Sean Young.
-----------
Does she get her tits out? Er the evil one, does she get her tits out?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 21, 2024 09:12 PM (lhenN)

I wanna say she does, but I just don't remember. I believe she exposed the twins (heh) in "No Way Out."

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 09:14 PM (Pfem1)

235 Korean chubby cheeks is cute. Wolverine is like 50 y.o. guy doing CosPlay.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 09:14 PM (KL5wO)

236 Here's a Fun Fact about Ronald Reagan. Bill Rebane, the most competent maker of terrible movies, wanted to cast him in "Monster A Go Go" but his financial people said Reagan was a has-been.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 21, 2024 09:14 PM (CHHv1)

237
Okay I remembered wrong. The tree was hit by lightning and five years later knocked down by strong wings.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

One tough bird!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 21, 2024 09:15 PM (63Dwl)

238 The book is very good, Fen. He does care about those folks in the Rust Belt because those are the folks he grew up with. But he also knows that they need to step up and live right. I'd say book first,then the movie.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
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Has caused me to begin re-reading 'The Dollmaker'. Don't care about the movie. Note that this was published 30 years before Vance was born.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dollmaker_(novel)

Having traveled by motorcycle, and camped through Appalachia for years, I have a strong affinity for the people and the country.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2024 09:15 PM (XeU6L)

239
Or one actor playing a dual role.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 21, 2024 09:05 PM (63Dwl)

Not a dual role, but I enjoyed What Happened to Wednesday. A nice variety of Noomi Rapace in the same movie.

Posted by: haffhowershower at September 21, 2024 09:16 PM (NMT5x)

240 237 I had to chase and catch a goose today. I got four bites on my arm. But I still love Ping anyway.

Posted by: gp's Movie Leers at September 21, 2024 09:16 PM (XV0Oq)

241 There was one of those, with Sean Young. Now I don't remember the title, and I'm not going to look it up, but boy, was she good looking.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 09:10 PM (Pfem1

Remake of a Kiss Before Dying. . She played the twin sister murdered by boyfriend and then he went after her for her families money.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 09:16 PM (jNAzB)

242 What did the study conclude? How many pounds of shit per dollar would Rockford take?
Posted by: gp's Movie Leers

Once Rockford figured out what he was doing he offered to let him keep his teeth in exchange for getting the hell out of there.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 09:17 PM (L/fGl)

243 Today I watched Tales of Earthsea by Studio Ghibli. It was very good but the ending was a mess. Dalton played Sparrowhawk.

Le Guin wizards tend to underwhelm for 90% of the story, but then completely blow everyone away at some point. Terry Prachett was more inspired by her than by Tolkien.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 21, 2024 09:17 PM (lhenN)

244 237
Okay I remembered wrong. The tree was hit by lightning and five years later knocked down by strong wings.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

One tough bird!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 21, 2024 09:15 PM (63Dwl)
Maybe it was a boewing? Silver Wings by Merle Haggerd, one of the best airplane songs ever.

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 09:18 PM (LHPAg)

245 Kirk Douglas in The Man from Snowy River.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 09:18 PM (jNAzB)

246 The movie is only on Netflix. They have a $6.99 plan with ads or $15 without. I've heard good things about The Highwaymen too but didn't really see anything else I wanted to watch.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 09:18 PM (MpVUb)

247 || Ahem... "it was all just a dream!"

Ooh, that's a good, er, BAD one.

|| Or one actor playing a dual role.

Gonna need some references on that one. It's less of a writer's device than an actor's. Like Peter Sellers.

|| Hailey Mills

The original Parent Trap is unobjectionable, says I.

|| There's the area near Hwy 128, east of Moab, that was the site of many films and tv westerns. I always meant to visit, when I was living closer.

Well, it'll probably be there for a while.

Here, if you go out just a little bit beyond the city, there are scads of movie locations, like the famous Vasquez Rocks, but the old Westerns--the ones not show in Moab, et al--were shot in my neighborhood.

As in, I routinely drive through the pass the stagecoaches went through on my way home from my mother's house.

Though I think the weirdest proximity situation I've been in was when I went to see "This Film Has Not Been Rated," about the MPA(A)'s censorious practices. They were talking about how you can't even mention them in your movie, and that the headquarters was in Encino, literally two blocks from the theater we were sitting in at the time.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 09:18 PM (asXVI)

248 I've seen two Reagan movies lately. The Girl From Jones Beach is a romantic comedy in which Reagan's character pretends to be an Hungarian immigrant in order to make time with an English as a second language teacher. The other was Cavalry Charge, a pretty poor Civil War out west movie.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 09:12 PM (L/fGl)

The Killers.

It's a masterpiece. His last role before going into politics.

Clu Gulager tells the story of working alongside Lee Marvin, who was drunk much of the time. Marvin would complain about everyone else working on the film, except Angie Dickenson.

He reserved much of his vitriol toward Reagan, thinking him a hack, compared to himself. So he decided to play a little trick on Ronnie, a particular scene between them, Marvin decided he's flub his line, but would deliver it differently each time, just to try to throw Reagan off.

Gulager says with every take, Reagan delivered his line EXACTLY the same way, in spite of Marvin's rather childish nonsense. Said it pissed Marvin off to no end.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 09:18 PM (Pfem1)

249 multiverses are the worst lazy writer's device since time travel.

I think I'll write a multiverse adventure where all the multiverses are exactly the same as the hero's original universe. The same in every detail, except-

Orange Julius is the most popular fast food restaurant in America, cuz-

as the writer I get some wish-fulfillment privileges.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 21, 2024 09:20 PM (eDfFs)

250 I like old movies, but I don't think I've ever actually seen Reagan in a movie. Was he a good actor?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Competent but not exceptional. The scenes where he was pretending to speak Hungarian were pretty funny.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 09:20 PM (L/fGl)

251 What does "lampshaded" mean? I tried searching online, but got nothing like a definition. It seems to be a kind of reference to something. But WTF?

Posted by: Eeyore at September 21, 2024 09:20 PM (1bNHn)

252 What was the one with the twins, gynecologists I think? Based on a true story and really creepy

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 09:21 PM (MpVUb)

253
Or one actor playing a dual role.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr
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Kirk Douglas, 'The Man From Snowy River'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2024 09:22 PM (XeU6L)

254 252 -- that'd be Dead Ringers. Jeremy Irons as both, directed by David Cronenberg.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 21, 2024 09:22 PM (q3u5l)

255 Highly recommend an indy film I stumbled across today: The Cowboy and the Queen -- documentary about Monty Roberts, a horseman who developed a non-violent method of breaking/training horses. Queen Elizabeth II, a horsewoman herself, contacted Roberts to show her and British horse trainers his humane method. It is now used to train more than 20% of horses.

Posted by: Delilah at September 21, 2024 09:22 PM (IW3D8)

256 What does "lampshaded" mean? I tried searching online, but got nothing like a definition. It seems to be a kind of reference to something. But WTF?
Posted by: Eeyore at September 21, 2024 09:20 PM (1bNHn)

Might just mean drunk, as in wearing a lampshade?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 09:22 PM (Pfem1)

257 Yep, that's it! Couldn't remember the actor. One of those movies you only watch once.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 09:23 PM (MpVUb)

258 I watched Black Mass on Netflix, a telling of the Whitey Bulger story starring Johnny Depp as WB. It is a pretty solid gangster flick and there is a case to be made that this is one of JD's best performances. I gave it 3.5 to 4 Aces out of 5.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at September 21, 2024 09:23 PM (LrWnf)

259 ||What does "lampshaded" mean? I tried searching online, but got nothing like a definition. It seems to be a kind of reference to something. But WTF?

Lampshading is when you call out the trope that you're using. Particularly when it's implausible or hokey or overused. However, lampshading is not a cure-all.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging

252 What was the one with the twins, gynecologists I think? Based on a true story and really creepy

Cronenberg's Dead Ringers

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 09:23 PM (asXVI)

260 Jason Whitlock is one of my go-to podcasts. Along with Tucker Carlson. There is a neo-Christian movement on the right that is is in a birthing state.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 09:24 PM (Xm9IS)

261 Deadpool and Wolverine had too many gay sex jokes. But I must comment the stars work in marketing videos which were really funny and convinced me to go see the movie.

Posted by: Delilah at September 21, 2024 09:24 PM (IW3D8)

262 Posted by: Delilah at September 21, 2024 09:22 PM (IW3D

That is at a movie theatre at a town near me. I was wondering what it is about. Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 09:24 PM (dTTBf)

263 Kirk Douglas in The Man from Snowy River.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 09:18 PM (jNAzB)
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Kirk Douglas, 'The Man From Snowy River'
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2024 09:22
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I was slow on the draw....

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2024 09:24 PM (XeU6L)

264 Don't have much of a problem with one actor in a dual role -- unless it's an evil twin bit.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 21, 2024 09:08 PM (q3u5l)

I watched Dr. Strangelove on TCM last night, and only during the commentary did I realize that Peter Sellers played three different characters in that movie: the title character (which I knew), the president, and the British liaison officer.

Posted by: Dr. T at September 21, 2024 09:25 PM (lHPJf)

265 Competent but not exceptional. The scenes where he was pretending to speak Hungarian were pretty funny.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 09:20 PM (L/fGl)

There was a style to acting in those days, I don't much care for it. Very few actors stand out, exhibit charisma. Performances more closely resemble stage acting, and frankly I tend to see most men in these films as props, while the women might sparkle and shine in ways the fellas aren't allowed.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 09:25 PM (Pfem1)

266 No Way Out is pretty good. Excellent cast.

Posted by: davidt at September 21, 2024 09:28 PM (i0F8b)

267 Oh, a very good, and completely word-shattering instance of "Lampshade Hanging" is in Avengers 2:

"Ok, look, the city is flying, we're fighting an army of robots, and I have a bow and arrow. None of this makes sense."

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 09:28 PM (asXVI)

268 Funny thing was Maj. Frank Burns was the good guy in MASH.
Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 09:05 PM (LHPAg)

I never heard of anyone having that take until I read one of Walker Percy's novels, in which the lead character mentioned that he watched MASH sometimes and that he preferred Frank to Hawkeye, saying something like, "They were both bigots, only Frank was an honest bigot."

Very perceptive.

Posted by: Dr. T at September 21, 2024 09:28 PM (lHPJf)

269 Too lazy to look it up right now, but I'm thinking maybe Peter Sellers also did a dual role in The Mouse That Roared?

And he was terrific in Strangelove. But then all of Strangelove was terrific.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 21, 2024 09:28 PM (q3u5l)

270 My standards are pretty high. John Wayne, or Clint Eastwood.

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 09:28 PM (LHPAg)

271 259 ||What does "lampshaded" mean? I tried searching online, but got nothing like a definition. It seems to be a kind of reference to something. But WTF?

Lampshading is when you call out the trope that you're using. Particularly when it's implausible or hokey or overused. However, lampshading is not a cure-all.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging

252 What was the one with the twins, gynecologists I think? Based on a true story and really creepy

Cronenberg's Dead Ringers
Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 09:23 PM (asXVI)
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OK, I guess. I notice that TV tropes has learnt how to write from post-Kantian German philosophers. They do not use examples to illustrate the point. (Kant attacked this practice.) The only one I caught was the epigram at the start. So I still am unclear.

Posted by: Eeyore at September 21, 2024 09:29 PM (1bNHn)

272 What does "lampshaded" mean? I tried searching online, but got nothing like a definition. It seems to be a kind of reference to something. But WTF?

Lampshading is when you call out the trope that you're using. Particularly when it's implausible or hokey or overused. However, lampshading is not a cure-all.
Posted by: moviegique

This. It's when you're watching a movie (reading a book, etc), and you're about to say, out loud, "Oh, give me a break!"

.....and just before you do, one of the actors says "Oh, give me a break!"

He hung a lampshade on it.

Posted by: mikeski at September 21, 2024 09:31 PM (DgGvY)

273 Lampshade means to call attention to the absurd part of the plot.

I have come to despise any leaning on the 4th wall, and wish for only earnest unironic movies.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 21, 2024 09:31 PM (lhenN)

274 That take on Frank Burns in MASH brings to mind the movie Animal House. The Deltas are supposed to be the good guys, but you wouldn't want to live within a mile of their frat house.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 21, 2024 09:31 PM (q3u5l)

275 I am holding out hope that Michael Douglas could play Mike Douglas in a bio flick. I also like recursion computer functions.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at September 21, 2024 09:31 PM (LrWnf)

276
Raymond Burr played Perry Mason and a criminal in one episode.

Martin Landau played twin brothers on a Columbo episode.

Eddie Albert played Oliver Douglas and a crook in a Green Acres episode.

And a hot dog makes Patty lose control.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 21, 2024 09:32 PM (63Dwl)

277 What's the deal here? You and Scorsese sharing some kind of mind-meld thru the shamanistic acting powers of Nicholas Cage?
Posted by: naturalfake

Werner would not term himself a genius, but he is delighted when others do so. I spoke at length with Herr Scorsese during the formative phase of the production, for his insights concerning how one works with Cage. Vern, he said (this is common, alas) you've worked with Kinski, so you won't find this surprising. Just point Nick Cage where he should be headed, and turn him loose. Just remember that this is a man who conducts himself like he's on a two-week cocaine binge.

I soon saw that this was wisdom. Werner added a little bit of motivation here and there, such as introducing a honey badger into Nick's trailer, or mailing him the occasional boa constrictor. Most productive was when I told him, Herr Cage, for this scene you must comport yourself as someone wearing a bear costume who feels compelled to punch an evil woman who intends to place a hive of bees around your head. That last one was surprisingly effective, which disturbs Werner a bit. It was a fun shoot, and Cage still wants to do a sequel.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at September 21, 2024 09:33 PM (tmPIh)

278 I also like recursion computer functions.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram
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GOTO 275

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2024 09:33 PM (XeU6L)

279 The post 2000 movies have been mostly hot garbage compared to what came before. I don't think that's a terribly controversial take.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 09:35 PM (Xm9IS)

280 The best Sean Young ever looked was in Blade Runner

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 09:35 PM (DW4th)

281 Meg Ryan in Joe vs the Volcano.

Posted by: davidt at September 21, 2024 09:35 PM (i0F8b)

282 So ok, I narrowly averted a disaster. A water bottle with no cap was leaning over my keyboard while I was dicking around with a laser and the cat. After two Captain Morgans. I'm headed to bed. Yo.

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 09:36 PM (LHPAg)

283 Werner would not term himself a genius, but he is delighted when others do so. I spoke at length with Herr Scorsese during the formative phase of the production, for his insights concerning how one works with Cage. Vern, he said (this is common, alas) you've worked with Kinski, so you won't find this surprising. Just point Nick Cage where he should be headed, and turn him loose. Just remember that this is a man who conducts himself like he's on a two-week cocaine binge.

I soon saw that this was wisdom. Werner added a little bit of motivation here and there, such as introducing a honey badger into Nick's trailer, or mailing him the occasional boa constrictor. Most productive was when I told him, Herr Cage, for this scene you must comport yourself as someone wearing a bear costume who feels compelled to punch an evil woman who intends to place a hive of bees around your head. That last one was surprisingly effective, which disturbs Werner a bit. It was a fun shoot, and Cage still wants to do a sequel.
Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at September 21, 2024 09:33 PM (tmPIh)

Werner Herzog Has Diarrhea of the Mouth.

Posted by: Dr. T at September 21, 2024 09:37 PM (lHPJf)

284 That take on Frank Burns in MASH brings to mind the movie Animal House. The Deltas are supposed to be the good guys, but you wouldn't want to live within a mile of their frat house.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 21, 2024 09:31 PM (q3u5l)

If the point is that the characters are in a very terrible situation, and the "good guys" are the ones who challenge the status quo, then I'm fine with rooting for them.

Obviously the teevee show more than the movie, MASH was supposed to be reasonable people responding to living in hell, and in that case the screwups were at least better doctors.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 09:37 PM (Pfem1)

285 @268 Sellers played Tally Bascombe and the Grand Duchess of Fenwick. May have had another role as well

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 09:37 PM (DW4th)

286 Obviously the teevee show more than the movie, MASH was supposed to be reasonable people responding to living in hell, and in that case the screwups were at least better doctors.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 09:37 PM (Pfem1)
I saw the movie when it opened in London. Never much watched the tv show. Alan Aldav. What can I say.

Posted by: Eromero at September 21, 2024 09:39 PM (LHPAg)

287 Meg had a ten year window. Then it went bad.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 09:39 PM (Xm9IS)

288 That sounds pretty awful. References?
Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 08:27 PM (asXVI)

Amnesia is pretty lame. Apparently about half the KPop soap operas have that as a plot twist.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 21, 2024 09:39 PM (D7oie)

289 OK, I guess. I notice that TV tropes has learnt how to write from post-Kantian German philosophers. They do not use examples to illustrate the point.
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Well, they've definitely gotten more formal over the years, but at the bottom of every entry is an extensive list of examples.

Here's some good ones:

* In Snakes on a Plane, after Neville explains to his superiors that the bad guy has filled the plane with deadly snakes, the superior comments, "What kind of insane plan is that?"

* Austin (Powers): You know what's remarkable? Is how much England looks in no way like Southern California.

* The aforementioned Avengers movie thing is in there

* Star Trek II: The story borrows themes and ideas from King Lear, Paradise Lost, and Moby-Dick. Guess what books are on Khan's shelf?

etc

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 09:43 PM (asXVI)

290 Robert Duvall's Frank Burns was more unhinged than the TV character. Duvall as usual was great

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 09:43 PM (DW4th)

291 Alas, Herr Doktor T, brevity is indeed the soul of wit, but Werner is of the mind that humor is malleable, and often imposes its own form. The late Norm Macdonald is the exemplar of this, and the body of Richard Pryor's work attest to this as well.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at September 21, 2024 09:43 PM (tmPIh)

292 >>Amnesia is pretty lame. Apparently about half the KPop soap operas have that as a plot twist.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 21, 2024 09:39 PM (D7oie)

A cliche in American soaps too.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 09:44 PM (Xm9IS)

293 Is there a role where Alan Alda didn't play a whinny metrosexual?

In other news, Georgia v. Bama tickets are available in the secondary markets. Pricing summary: parking lots seats are going for $300. Everything else are priced like World Series tickets. I have a new car that needs a solid road trip...

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at September 21, 2024 09:44 PM (LrWnf)

294 || Amnesia is pretty lame. Apparently about half the KPop soap operas have that as a plot twist. ||

Maybe stay away from book 4 in my series.

(I kid! The concept of memory is played with and some characters have a very transient amnesia that has no bearing except in how it changes them when their memories come back.)

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 09:44 PM (asXVI)

295 Believe Alda played Caryl Chessman in the TV movie Kill Me If You Can. As I recall The Glass House, with Alda, Vic Morrow, and Clu Gulager wasn't bad either.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 21, 2024 09:45 PM (q3u5l)

296 I was told by people I trust that I need to some "homework," so I'll get more of the meta easter egg jokes in Deadpool/Wolverine. So I've been watching Marvel movies I purposely never watched back on the day because they looked terrible. A few of the later X-Men, a few of the Wolverines, Elektra, the early Fantastic 4 movies, etc.

I just watched the Wolverine: Origins movie for the first time ever. Glad I did, even though its shoddy, because it made jokes in the Deadpool movies make SO much more sense. The swinging of the blades while he's getting shot in Deadpool 2, and the bullets all hitting him, hit deeper and funnier. And yes, if you're going to put Deadpool in your movie, sewing up his mouth is a complete waste of the character.

I'm excited to watch the Blade movies again though, I remember loving those.

Posted by: LizLem at September 21, 2024 09:46 PM (QAK8m)

297 I got exuberant with my ns. whiny and not whinny though there is a case to be made that either work just fine.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at September 21, 2024 09:47 PM (LrWnf)

298 >>> Not really. It's a longstanding actress complaint (that has some merit, I think) that the two major roles they were given were "wife" or "whore". Hollywood fixed that by eliminating "wife".

Wife, whore, or victim. Two out of three will get you an Oscar nom.

Posted by: LizLem at September 21, 2024 09:47 PM (QAK8m)

299 275 I am holding out hope that Michael Douglas could play Mike Douglas in a bio flick. I also like recursion computer functions.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at September 21, 2024 09:31 PM (LrWnf)

The son of Issur Danielovitch Michael Douglas, or Michael Keaton Michal Douglas?

Posted by: haffhowershower at September 21, 2024 09:48 PM (NMT5x)

300 The son of Issur Danielovitch Michael Douglas, or Michael Keaton Michal Douglas?
Posted by: haffhowershower

The MD that had a TV talk show in the 70s.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at September 21, 2024 09:49 PM (LrWnf)

301 Yeah I was joking which Michael Douglas should play the TV host. Michael Keaton's real name is Michael Douglas and I heard that he wants to start using it. I don't know if he was serious or what the deal was.

Posted by: haffhowershower at September 21, 2024 09:52 PM (NMT5x)

302 Looks like the Sat Overnight thread's up.

Thanks for the movie thread, moviegique.

Have a good one gang.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 21, 2024 09:53 PM (q3u5l)

303 Never was impressed by Alda as an actor. Nothing he did stood out to me.

Posted by: hart at September 21, 2024 09:53 PM (Xm9IS)

304 First off I want to say excellent blog! I had a quick question in which I'd like to ask if you do not mind.
I was curious to find out how you center yourself and clear your thoughts before writing.
I've had difficulty clearing my mind in getting my ideas out there.
I truly do enjoy writing but it just seems like the first 10 to 15 minutes are lost just
trying to figure out how to begin. Any suggestions or hints?
Thank you!

Posted by: Call Girls in Bag at September 21, 2024 09:54 PM (1M3rQ)

305 Michael Douglas could play Mike Douglas on My Three Sons.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 21, 2024 09:55 PM (63Dwl)

306 I do believe "Call Girls in Bag" is spamming us.

>>I was told by people I trust that I need to some "homework," so I'll get more of the meta easter egg jokes in Deadpool/Wolverine.

This is true, and if you're having fun, well, keep on.

I'm not a fan of movies with homework, though I will say I did like the ones I picked up.

Good night everybody!

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at September 21, 2024 09:58 PM (asXVI)

307 Noice! Nothing against Alien, but my favorite scene is actually the spoof of the chest burster in Spaceballs.
Posted by: haffhowershower at September 21, 2024 08:54 PM (NMT5x)

That was the best scene by far in Spaceballs!

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 21, 2024 10:06 PM (S6gqv)

308 I remember seeing a pretty normal guy wearing a Deadpool t-shirt a few years ago. It hit me how odd it was that an obscure comic book character was even known to a large swath of the population.

Posted by: GLD at September 22, 2024 02:12 AM (pCXlW)

309 I cannot stand Marvel or any of these types of movies. Saw 1 or two at the get-go and realized it's the same movie over and over. I detest CGI unless used sparingly. I detest these silly scenes that are supposed to make you laugh where the big super-hero does something unexpected like hold a puppy. Give me well written, drama/suspense/mystery/horror, that is low budget with actors I don't know. That is the only type of 'new' movie I can handle. AND NO DEI HIRES!

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