Trump Rules Out Further Debates, Declaring "I Won"

Ed Morrissey suggests this may be a negotiation tactic, because Trump was far too willing to concede anything to Biden, and then Kamala Harris, to get them on the stage. Maybe he would agree to a debate -- if it weren't "moderated" by Marxist Media shills.

But for now, he's saying, like Apollo Creed, "No rematch." (Of course Apollo changed his mind later.)

This kind of looks weak, but I think it's a good call anyway. Trump performed badly and I'm in no rush to see a rematch myself. Furthermore, the media agreed that they would not debate Trump, but merely moderate, but they lied, went back on their word and broke the debate rules to debate Trump anyway.

There are no honest brokers in the media who could "moderate" -- not even Fox, which always puts forth its most liberal anchors and "journalists" like scumbag Elderly Nepo Baby Chris Wallace. And then these "journalists" strain to show off for their liberal journalist pals and bed-mates by showing We Can Be Just As Biased Against Republicans As You Real Journalists Are, Just Watch Us!

And I've never hated Megyn Kelly, but let's face it, she and Chris Wallace worked it out so that she, a woman, would be the one to grill Trump about all the silly "grab them by the pussy" stuff at the Republican debate. And because all of this crap was completely unevidenced, she phrased it as being about how Trump talks about women (who attack him), but everyone knew she was winking and what she was really talking about were crazy claims about sexual assault.

And that's what you're going to get at Fox. Megyn Kelly was one of their best, and that's what Fox's best brought to the table.

And Trump claims his own polling shows him with a "modest bump" coming out of the debate. It's a surprise to me, but so far other pollsters aren't disputing him. It's not proven, but it's plausible.

A memo obtained from the Trump campaign Thursday reveals a modest post-debate polling bump for the former president, while Kamala Harris's support remains stagnant. In addition to the campaign's internal polling, multiple public polls, including new surveys by Rasmussen and the New York Times, show Trump moving ahead of Harris nationally and in critical swing states.
Key Details:
An internal Trump campaign survey of 1,893 likely voters in key target states showed a 2-point post-debate bump for Trump, while Harris's numbers remained unchanged.
The memo criticizes Harris's debate performance, noting that "target state voters were not impressed by Kamala Harris' empty platitudes."
Trump now leads Harris 50% to 47% in a head-to-head matchup. Other polls reflect similar trends, with a Rasmussen Reports survey conducted from September 5th-11th showing Trump ahead 49% to 47%, and a recent New York Times/Siena College poll showing Trump leading Harris 48% to 47%.

Duane Patterson thinks that the debate was a tie, and a tie benefits Trump, as he's not the one presiding over a nation on fire.

I watched every minute of the debate. The video package I had available for Wednesday morning's Hugh Hewitt Show and my Duane's World podcast included over 50 video clips. My original conclusion was that nobody won the debate. Trump wasn't at his best, Kamala Harris was an A.I. cyborg reciting memorized answers to issue sets, not specific questions. And David Muir and Linsey Davis, Kamala's sorority sister, set a standard for bias in a debate moderator that will never be equaled. I'm not sure it's physically possible to be more partisan and one-sided than what we saw Tuesday night in Philadelphia.
Donald Trump was effective at redirecting the conversation repeatedly throughout the debate on the border crisis, and all of the manifest problems we've seen over the last four years, whether it be on jobs, crime, drugs, national security concerns, education, or strains on the health care system. But there were at least a dozen opportunities for the former President to put this race away for good. He had multiple chances to do what Ronald Reagan did to Walter Mondale in 1984 - use a meme from his opponent he knew was coming and turn it around, erasing any doubt as to who is going to win the election. Trump didn't do that. I'll give you just two examples of a rhetorical checkmate Trump left on the board.
Kamala Harris launched into her 'Trump is the worst ever' routine at one point, making the case that the events of January 6th constituted the biggest threat to democracy since the Civil War. On 9/10, she said that. In real time, my eyes bugged out.
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Another layup was when Harris claimed that there are no U.S. troops currently serving in a combat zone. We have troops at al-Assad in Iraq that constantly comes under attack. We just lost 7 servicemembers to an ISIS attack on August 31st. U.S. troops are stationed in a combat zone in Syria. There are hot spots all around the world where we have troops deployed. This was an easy way for Trump to show Harris as clueless, unmoored from reality, and recklessly stupid on the commander-in-chief question.

I don't know if that had any impact, either. I myself got bogged down in cut-and-parry stuff, but I'm sure the public is largely ignorant of the fact that American servicemen are still serving in war zones.

He also notes that Nate Silver still has Trump 61.3% likely to win the electoral college. Silver had had Trump at 63.8% likely, so this is a small loss of support.

But still likely to win.

#Latest @NateSilver538 Forecast (9/10)

🟥 Trump: 61.3%
🟦 Harris: 38.4%

Electoral Votes
🟥 Trump: 278 🏆
🟦 Harris: 260
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Swing States: chance of winning

Pennsylvania - 🔴 Trump 63-37%
Michigan - 🔴 Trump 52-48%
Wisconsin - 🔴 Trump 52-48%
Arizona - 🔴 Trump 77-23%
North… pic.twitter.com/h5Q4I1PXhp
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) September 10, 2024

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 04:52 PM

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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 12, 2024 04:51 PM (GBKbO)

2
sup, foos

Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 12, 2024 04:52 PM (zeL/o)

3 1st

Posted by: GF at September 12, 2024 04:52 PM (6oen/)

4 SPONGE!!

Posted by: Cheerful Reprobate at September 12, 2024 04:52 PM (qCXbg)

5
"Whoever told you that you could work with MEN?!"
Posted by: ace

I forgot about that great line.

Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 12, 2024 04:53 PM (zeL/o)

6 Harris's constant mugging for the camera really got to pissing me off. Even more than her obfuscation and outright prevarication.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 12, 2024 04:53 PM (YqDXo)

7 There are no honest brokers in the media who could "moderate" -- not even Fox

If anything, I'd trust Fox less than the others. Fox is still trying to prove its bona fides to their liberal media friends. F*** 'em.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 12, 2024 04:54 PM (xCA6C)

8 Trump should make a statement that he will agree to another debate after Harris has two legitimate press conferences.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 12, 2024 04:54 PM (jNAzB)

9 You'd have better odds picking random numbers out of a hat than you will relying on Nate Silver.

His 'Model' is completely fictitious.

Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2024 04:55 PM (x40tK)

10 >>>"Whoever told you that you could work with MEN?!"
Posted by: ace
I forgot about that great line.
Posted by: Soothsayer

i'm so glad you saw it. I knew it was about to be willowed.

Posted by: ace at September 12, 2024 04:55 PM (KRtlO)

11 Also, I would include a shock button for the media, a la Bill Murray in the beginning of Ghostbusters. It would be hilarious to watch those worms sweat and squirm.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 12, 2024 04:55 PM (xCA6C)

12 ZOD.

Posted by: ZOD at September 12, 2024 04:55 PM (P+D4R)

13 Trump should make a statement that he will agree to another debate after Harris has two legitimate press conferences.

Who defines "legitimate". You simply cannot use the MSM anymore. They are not honest brokers. They're simply Goebbelsian acolytes.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 12, 2024 04:56 PM (xCA6C)

14 i'm so glad you saw it. I knew it was about to be willowed.
Posted by: ace at September 12, 2024 04:55 PM (KRtlO)

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I hate to be like this, but we have a troll, and I could use that banhammer real good...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 12, 2024 04:56 PM (GBKbO)

15 >>You'd have better odds picking random numbers out of a hat than you will relying on Nate Silver.

>>His 'Model' is completely fictitious.

What he said.

Get Joe Rogan to moderate the debate.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 04:56 PM (LkLld)

16 13 Trump should make a statement that he will agree to another debate after Harris has two legitimate press conferences.

Who defines "legitimate". You simply cannot use the MSM anymore. They are not honest brokers. They're simply Goebbelsian acolytes.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 12, 2024 04:56 PM (xCA6C)

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Well, obviously, Trump would make that determination.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 12, 2024 04:56 PM (GBKbO)

17 If I was Trump I would agree to a debate where I would only debate harris and not have to debate both harris and the debate moderators.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 12, 2024 04:57 PM (QNSds)

18 10 >>>"Whoever told you that you could work with MEN?!"
Posted by: ace
I forgot about that great line.
Posted by: Soothsayer

i'm so glad you saw it. I knew it was about to be willowed.
Posted by: ace at September 12, 2024 04:55 PM (KRtlO)

If Alec Baldwin ever deserved an Oscar, it would have been for his 7-minute cameo in GGGR.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 12, 2024 04:57 PM (IZ9YR)

19 There was one "focus group" of 10 undecideds who 6-10 agreed Kamala won the debate, but then broke 6-3-1 to voting Trump.

So, who cares who "won" the debate on points, the November poll is what matters.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 12, 2024 04:57 PM (zrlyb)

20
In case anyone missed it, a new cartoon depicting the difference between one candidate avoiding the Fake News, and the other candidate running towards the Fake News without fear or hesitation:

https://youtu.be/nyvN6flbAWM?si=_BhazEYCtvksJSTR

Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 12, 2024 04:57 PM (zeL/o)

21 If Trump takes Pennsylvania it's over.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 12, 2024 04:58 PM (QNSds)

22 Well, obviously, Trump would make that determination.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott

Sure. Pull the other one. It's got bells.

Posted by: The media at September 12, 2024 04:58 PM (xCA6C)

23 Judge in GA drops two of the counts against Trump and others, saying GA prosecutors lacked the legal authority to bring state charges for federal filings.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at September 12, 2024 04:58 PM (Da7Vv)

24 Say,
Do these Haitian dreamers like Wolf meat by any chance?

Posted by: SOME RANCHER FROM WYOMING at September 12, 2024 04:58 PM (JrfET)

25 Another hour or so and the pizza dough should be perfect.

How did Thursday get to be Pizza night?

It is a mystery!

Posted by: naturalfake at September 12, 2024 04:58 PM (eDfFs)

26 21 If Trump takes Pennsylvania it's over.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 12, 2024 04:58 PM (QNSds)

My bet on the surprise state for Trump: MN.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 12, 2024 04:58 PM (IZ9YR)

27 Sorry, 6-4 Kamala win debate

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 12, 2024 04:58 PM (zrlyb)

28 Smart move by Trump. Nobody who supports him will shy away due to perceived weakness.

There's nothing left to gain.

Besides, Trump can get his message out without biased moderation.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 12, 2024 04:58 PM (KbCG3)

29 Camela is up in Georgia. Some guy on the radio told me.

Posted by: fd at September 12, 2024 04:59 PM (vFG9F)

30 Trump did win.

No one is talking about Kamala's joy campaign.

They are sharing cat and duck memes.

We were not the audience he needed to reach. We already knew all the positions we wanted him to cover.

But FIRST he needed to get their attention.

Now that he's got it. He can pivot to policy.

He will go to Springfield and the world will be watching.

Posted by: Just Lily at September 12, 2024 04:59 PM (oGOfM)

31 I love this statement by PDT. The media will fall all over themselves to amplify the message and make sure everyone hears what PDT said, while going for another gotcha moment.

PDT plays the press effortlessly. MSM dances to his tune and they don't even realize it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 04:59 PM (tT6L1)

32 How is Nate Silver calculating the level of fraud?

I have now heard that you can request a ballot with no ID while you are "overseas".

That means a Democrat fraud operation could just create fakes in the swing states and steal another election with very little effort!

You could have all of your hired crooks sitting in an office in Chicago, and manage to steal an election in Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 12, 2024 04:59 PM (HlyYF)

33 "because Trump was far too willing to concede anything to Biden"

____

Yep, guy will do anything for a big audience.

That early debate was all about giving Dem an escape hatch if Biden froze up. And Trump fell for it. And let CNN/Dana Bash/Jake Tapper moderate it, obvious Trump hating partisans.

I'm wondering when Trump the tough negotiator emerges.

The debates helped Kamala and Trump knows it. Looking forward to JD Vance wiping the floor with Walz.

Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2024 05:00 PM (wMRY8)

34 My bet on the surprise state for Trump: MN.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 12, 2024 04:58 PM (IZ9YR)

Mine is mine (VA). Long shot, but a gut shot.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 12, 2024 05:00 PM (zrlyb)

35 If Trump takes Pennsylvania it's over.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 12, 2024 04:58 PM (QNSds)

Tucker Carlson is doing a live show September 21, 2024 in Hershey Penn. with JD Vance. I think . . . I think that is big.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 12, 2024 05:00 PM (D7oie)

36 I'm sure the public is largely ignorant of the fact that American servicemen are still serving in war zones.

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It's an indictment of the public that anyone could say what she said and know they'd skate. Trump should have hammered that lie, but he shouldn't have needed to.

Posted by: WH Taft -- Triple Crown winner at September 12, 2024 05:01 PM (wzAuc)

37 15 >>You'd have better odds picking random numbers out of a hat than you will relying on Nate Silver.

>>His 'Model' is completely fictitious.

What he said.

Get Joe Rogan to moderate the debate.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 04:56 PM (LkLld)

I was just gonna recommend him...

Posted by: Nova Local at September 12, 2024 05:01 PM (exHjb)

38 The only people who thought Kamblabla cleaned Trumps clock are TDS Tards.

Normies saw the debate for what it was, an adult trying to lay out a plan and a snarky twat b**tch just trying to get under the skin of her opponent, backed up and protected by two ass clown donk apparatchiks.

That being said, the election is going to come down to if Trump can get more live votes than The Junta can generate fake votes.

That's it. That's the game.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 12, 2024 05:01 PM (XV/Pl)

39 The bitch is done. Vance is going to give walz a wedgie he isn't ever going to get over.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2024 05:01 PM (I1GXe)

40 If what is alleged about Harris having the questions from ABC beforehand is correct, all Trump needs to say is "I beat her when she had the questions and a fact check guarantee , there is no point to another debate." As I said last thread if true the independents swarm to Trump. Tomorrow should be interesting.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 12, 2024 05:01 PM (hgmb+)

41 Get Joe Rogan to moderate the debate.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 04:56 PM (LkLld)

I was just gonna recommend him...

And that's exactly why the Dems won't allow him.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 12, 2024 05:02 PM (xCA6C)

42 Time will tell (well, probably, if somebody eventually talks), but if it's true that the Harris camp wanted another one, as I have read, then I don't think this is a negotiating tactic. The two sides have wildly different situations and requirements. Harris faces by far the biggest challenge (even though Trump continues to face, as opponents, virtually the entire "press", pop culture, much of business and other institutional America, etc). She's an unaccomplished unappealing and still mostly unknown nobody presiding, as ace notes, over a country on fire in many respects.

And tea leaves and comments here and there by certain people with access to better surveys leave little doubt that the situation for Dems remains as dire as it was when it moved them to do the astonishing thing and dump their nominee and sitting prez.

Will be greatly disappointing if this is a tactic and not a final position. Trump does more public events, more press engagement, more *hostile* press and institutional engagement, than any figure in modern history - he doesn't mind doing these stupid "debates". Harris is a weak, trailing opponent who still has no real campaign or policy profile.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2024 05:02 PM (GcNJ2)

43 Off Taft sock.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 12, 2024 05:02 PM (wzAuc)

44 if trump wins it will prove that letting the public vote for president is a bad idea

Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 12, 2024 05:02 PM (CWTWj)

45 As I've posted several times, the only thing anyone remembers about the debate is that Haitians are eating cats in Ohio. It's powerful because it's symbolic of immigration out of control under Biden-Harris. This is how regimes are toppled.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 12, 2024 05:02 PM (r5tfK)

46 42 Time will tell (well, probably, if somebody eventually talks), but if it's true that the Harris camp wanted another one, as I have read, then I don't think this is a negotiating tactic. The two sides have wildly different situations and requirements. Harris faces by far the biggest challenge (even though Trump continues to face, as opponents, virtually the entire "press", pop culture, much of business and other institutional America, etc). She's an unaccomplished unappealing and still mostly unknown nobody presiding, as ace notes, over a country on fire in many respects.

Posted by: rhomboid

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The Harris camp officially asked for another debate less than an hour after the first one ended.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (GBKbO)

47 Don't count your chickens before they come home to roost.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (63Dwl)

48 I can think of several "honest broker" moderators who would be able to keep their politics out of the debate.

Not a single one of them would be acceptable to the DNC.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (tT6L1)

49 Want the room to get a bit dusty? Little boy gets a birthday card (leads to X)

https://tinyurl.com/yc2ya667

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (MpVUb)

50 The debates helped Kamala and Trump knows it. Looking forward to JD Vance wiping the floor with Walz.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2024 05:00 PM (wMRY

Is this an "I feel" or is it "I have cites" and we can discuss them.

I can ignore your feelz

Posted by: Kindltot at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (D7oie)

51
The debates helped Kamala and Trump knows it. Looking forward to JD Vance wiping the floor with Walz.

Posted by: Blago

1. Even hugh hewitt admitted the president won.

2. No doubt you'll say Vance lost, and you'll complain about why Trump picked him for the ticket.

Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (zeL/o)

52 34 My bet on the surprise state for Trump: MN.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 12, 2024 04:58 PM (IZ9YR)

Mine is mine (VA). Long shot, but a gut shot.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 12, 2024 05:00 PM (zrlyb)

Youngkin is giving it all he's got, but I think NJ is more likely to surprise than VA...

Send Presler there...

Posted by: Nova Local at September 12, 2024 05:04 PM (exHjb)

53 Good afternoon, horde.

Trying to stay positive.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at September 12, 2024 05:04 PM (OX9vb)

54 What's the point? She wont answer the questions.

Posted by: BignJames at September 12, 2024 05:04 PM (AwYPR)

55 "BREAKING: The Kamala Harris campaign just got caught BUSSING in thousands of people for her rally in North Carolina

They cheat at everything, and apparently, even crowd sizes

I've been to two Trump rallies in two different states. The people at his rallies are locals from the area and want to be there"

X link
https://tinyurl.com/496sn8jc

Posted by: illiniwek at September 12, 2024 05:04 PM (Cus5s)

56 From everything I'm reading, Trump has picked up significant momentum from the debate while Harris has faded into the woodwork. They need the debate. He doesn't. If he changes his mind, he can set the rules. But this also forces Harris to actually campaign which she is incapable of doing. The debate between Vance and Walz takes on all sorts of significance and you know Vanceis going to destroy him.
It is very interesting that Harris won the debate but lost the war.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 12, 2024 05:04 PM (t/2Uw)

57 people wanted to hear some competent words about the economy and all they got was attacks on Trump's crowd size and some other carp I can't even recall; she wasted an opportunity in favor of the mean girls shtick. what a dummy.

Posted by: runner at September 12, 2024 05:04 PM (V13WU)

58 Trump's campaign could put together a virtual 90-minute debate. Take past clips of each candidate speaking on various topics -- alternating between each other.

You could make the last 30 minutes Kommie-la debating herself, alternator between recent flip-flop position lies.

Posted by: ShainS at September 12, 2024 05:04 PM (iZlI8)

59 You'd have better odds picking random numbers out of a hat than you will relying on Nate Silver.

>>His 'Model' is completely fictitious.

What he said.

Get Joe Rogan to moderate the debate.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 04:56 PM (LkLld)

Look just because you blow it for 12 years is no reason not to trust his predictions, is it?

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:05 PM (n7h9X)

60 @rhomboid, I'd be curious how much coverage is devoted to Trump versus Harris. Although hers is far more favorable, that old saying about there being no such thing as bad publicity may be true. No one doesn't know who he is and what to expect from him. As you note, she's still largely unknown and is likely to stay that way. It worked for Biden, but maybe not for her.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 12, 2024 05:05 PM (r5tfK)

61 looks like at least a dozen buses. Wonder if they are paid.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 12, 2024 05:05 PM (Cus5s)

62 Rogan is not going to moderate any debate.

He has stated numerous times, he will never have Trump on his show.

This is more than likely not due to animus but the simple fact if he were to have him on, there are numerous guests that will never do his show or come back on again.

So I can't see any scenario where he would host or moderate a debate.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 12, 2024 05:05 PM (XV/Pl)

63 *alternating between recent flip-flop position lies.

Posted by: ShainS at September 12, 2024 05:05 PM (iZlI8)

64 The Harris camp officially asked for another debate less than an hour after the first one ended.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM

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Because they learned there are earbuds that look just like her earrings.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 12, 2024 05:05 PM (wzAuc)

65 No more debates !! There is no value add for Trump from them , NONE!

Posted by: runner at September 12, 2024 05:05 PM (V13WU)

66 The only people who thought Kamblabla cleaned Trumps clock are TDS Tards.

Normies saw the debate for what it was, an adult trying to lay out a plan and a snarky twat b**tch just trying to get under the skin of her opponent, backed up and protected by two ass clown donk apparatchiks.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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I guess Ace is in that category?

I dont think Kamala turned in a great debate performance, but Trump lost that debate going away imo. Just came off terrible. Every single Trump supporter I know was despondent after that debate.

Does it matter? She probably gets a couple points bounce, and then the race goes back to where it was a week ago.

Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2024 05:05 PM (wMRY8)

67 Probably for the best, he won't get another one not stacked against him

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2024 05:06 PM (fwDg9)

68 Of course they are paid. The Dems call it "walking around money".

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 12, 2024 05:07 PM (MeG8a)

69 If anything, I'd trust Fox less than the others. Fox is still trying to prove its bona fides to their liberal media friends. F*** 'em.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 12, 2024 04:54 PM (xCA6C)

Use Jesse Watters and Gutfeld. Fox would never use them. Kamala would leave the stage crying.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at September 12, 2024 05:07 PM (iODuv)

70 I've been to two Trump rallies in two different states. The people at his rallies are locals from the area and want to be there"

X link
https://tinyurl.com/496sn8jc
Posted by: illiniwek at September 12, 2024 05:04 PM (Cus5s)

oh plenty of folk come from all over to see Trump. He just doesn't have to provide busses for them, they come on their own.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:07 PM (n7h9X)

71 If Trump takes Pennsylvania it's over.

The Sec of State in PA has said "We won't know the results in PA for weeks after the election". In other words they need time to round up enough Oldsmobiles full of 100% Kamala fake ballots to get the "right results".

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at September 12, 2024 05:07 PM (Da7Vv)

72 >>Don't count your chickens before they come home to roost.

If you wait that long a Haitian will eat it.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:07 PM (LkLld)

73 Media:Rules
Lucy:Football

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at September 12, 2024 05:07 PM (O7YUW)

74 https://tinyurl.com/yc2ya667
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (MpVUb)
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Hey, that video activated the dust ejectors on my screen. How did it know?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 05:07 PM (tT6L1)

75 I would suggest that, in the VP debate, Vance largely ignore Walz, who is a nonentity after all. He should attack full on Nora O'Donnell and Margaret Brennan. "Before I answer that, Nora, I have a question for you." Then follow with one of her most egregious lies.

We really have to hit on this.

EVERY

FUCKING

DAY

Posted by: Eeyore at September 12, 2024 05:07 PM (1bNHn)

76 Yeah this is the right play. But I swear to Allah, if this is just a negotiating tactic and he intends to debate under more favorable conditions, he better fucking prepare. Like actually prepare by standing at a podium and dealing with a hostile opponent. Not this dorm room bull session thing he's been doing.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at September 12, 2024 05:07 PM (4L7VN)

77 >> Even hugh hewitt admitted the president won.
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It painfully tore the sinews out of his shriveled shyster’s heart to do so. Painful. He needs to feel that, and often.

Posted by: electronic means at September 12, 2024 05:07 PM (teICE)

78 But this also forces Harris to actually campaign which she is incapable of doing. Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 12, 2024 05:04 PM (t/2Uw)

I wonder whether she has the same problem Hillary had, which is that the more people see of her, the more her numbers go down.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 12, 2024 05:08 PM (r5tfK)

79
I think part of the reason they have to bus-in a crowd for kalama's events is that they are a "vetted" audience, and not prone to hold up "free palestine" signs or otherwise embarrass kalama.

Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 12, 2024 05:08 PM (zeL/o)

80 TJM, I just emailed you about creating your login.

Posted by: ace at September 12, 2024 05:08 PM (KRtlO)

81 Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2024 05:00 PM (wMRY

Debates don't do shit, unless there's a killshot (Biden in July, Kamala getting shivved by Tulsi, Reagan "I paid for this microphone!, "I knew Jack Kennedy, you're no Jack Kennedy, et al) no one will really care in November.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 12, 2024 05:08 PM (zrlyb)

82 I guess Ace is in that category?

I dont think Kamala turned in a great debate performance, but Trump lost that debate going away imo. Just came off terrible. Every single Trump supporter I know was despondent after that debate.

Does it matter? She probably gets a couple points bounce, and then the race goes back to where it was a week ago.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2024 05:05 PM (wMRY

Then she didn't win.

Some people would be despondent if Trump got Kamala to flee the country and renounce politics entirely.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:09 PM (n7h9X)

83 Don't count your chickens before they come home to roost.

If you wait that long a Haitian will eat it.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:07 PM (LkLld)

Posted by: BignJames at September 12, 2024 05:10 PM (AwYPR)

84 wait, TJM will have a banhammer ? Is he old enough ??

Posted by: runner at September 12, 2024 05:10 PM (V13WU)

85 Agree to a debate on the Russia Today channel and watch people lose their shit.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at September 12, 2024 05:10 PM (6YxVv)

86 @67

>>I dont think Kamala turned in a great debate performance, but Trump lost that debate going away imo.

That's like, uhh, you're opinion man, which is not backed up by post-debate interviews or opinion polls.

Or alternatively...

Ersatz Ernie Anastos: Keep F**king That Chicken.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 12, 2024 05:10 PM (XV/Pl)

87 81 TJM, I just emailed you about creating your login.
Posted by: ace at September 12, 2024 05:08 PM (KRtlO)

======

Thanks!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 12, 2024 05:10 PM (GBKbO)

88 Ballot harvesting and imaginary voter numbers must be pretty good for Kamala to take 58.3% of the popular vote. That's approximately double the number of actual voters who would vote for her.

Posted by: Emmie at September 12, 2024 05:10 PM (Sf2cq)

89 wait, TJM will have a banhammer ? Is he old enough ??
Posted by: runner at September 12, 2024 05:10 PM (V13WU)
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Yes, but will he get the banhammer?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 05:10 PM (tT6L1)

90 "BREAKING: The Kamala Harris campaign just got caught BUSSING in thousands of people for her rally in North Carolina

They cheat at everything, and apparently, even crowd sizes
I've been to two Trump rallies in two different states. The people at his rallies are locals from the area and want to be there"
X link
https://tinyurl.com/496sn8jc
Posted by: illiniwek at September 12, 2024 05:04 PM (Cus5s)

those are refugees. When Kamala leaves they will stay in the community

Posted by: Kindltot at September 12, 2024 05:10 PM (D7oie)

91 Harris is doing the Biden Basement Strategy.

Except she is still somewhat out there, but not answering questions, just telling lies. Someone is not positioning her for Success (except the guys printing the fake ballots, and the Dem vote counters with Dem watchers)

Posted by: illiniwek at September 12, 2024 05:11 PM (Cus5s)

92 Don't count your chickens before they come home to roost.

If you wait that long a Haitian will eat it.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:07 PM (LkLld)

Just ordered a bunch of Zaxby's fingers...thanks for the reminder.

Posted by: BignJames at September 12, 2024 05:11 PM (AwYPR)

93 hugh hewitt

Butterdog.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 12, 2024 05:11 PM (vUcPr)

94 I like this tactic. Make them beg for another debate. Concede to an actual "neutral" (if they exist) moderators.

Or... don't have any. Have a referee. With a whistle.

But the reality will be something entirely different.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2024 05:11 PM (Q4IgG)

95 They don't need moderators, just a time keeper, have the local toastmasters club keep time.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 12, 2024 05:11 PM (Go6qm)

96
I don't think she'd have much of a problem getting a reasonably large crowd to show up for her events, but the campaign cannot afford to risk the base RIFF-RAFF show up and carry out their antics.

So they have "approved" and "vetted" event attendees. They are literally producing a TV show or movie, with a set and actors and "extras."

Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 12, 2024 05:11 PM (zeL/o)

97 This kind of looks weak, but I think it's a good call anyway.

Yeah, but then I look at his tweet (or truth, or whatever) and realize there is nothing more to say. He laid out the entire election.

Posted by: t-bird at September 12, 2024 05:11 PM (ls1gy)

98 "The Kamala Harris campaign just got caught BUSSING in thousands of people for her rally in North Carolina"

That way they can't leave before the end.

Posted by: fd at September 12, 2024 05:11 PM (vFG9F)

99 Yes, but will he get the banhammer?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 05:10 PM (tT6L1)

I assume getting is a step toward having.

Posted by: runner at September 12, 2024 05:11 PM (V13WU)

100 Rogan is not going to moderate any debate.

He has stated numerous times, he will never have Trump on his show.

This is more than likely not due to animus but the simple fact if he were to have him on, there are numerous guests that will never do his show or come back on again.

So I can't see any scenario where he would host or moderate a debate.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 12, 2024 05:05 PM (XV/Pl)

He sold his soul a few years back and this is one of the things he has to do now. He's captured, and now does UFO and Bear stories like Art Bell.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:12 PM (n7h9X)

101 those are refugees. When Kamala leaves they will stay in the community Posted by: Kindltot at September 12, 2024 05:10 PM (D7oie)

The ones who got bused into New Hampshire a couple of weeks ago had to stay there for a while so the drivers could get their mandatory rest before driving them back to Boston.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 12, 2024 05:12 PM (r5tfK)

102 >>Debates don't do shit, unless there's a killshot (Biden in July, Kamala getting shivved by Tulsi, Reagan "I paid for this microphone!, "I knew Jack Kennedy, you're no Jack Kennedy, et al) no one will really care in November.

Mostly agree. Trump's best line was in the closing when he asked why Harris didn't do all the great stuff she says she is planning to do over the last 3 1/2 years. If you go look at what Harris actually said during the debate she didn't say anything substantive, just I will make the economy great and give lots of tax breaks that will never pass and she will secure the border. Sure thing sugar tits. Nobody believes her.

There have been a number of polls since the debate and they show Trump's support on the key issues like the economy and immigration went up.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:12 PM (LkLld)

103 Kamala's team and the media (but I repeat myself) were saying Trump was scared to have open mics, and when Trump said "no open mics or no debate" they were saying he's scared to debate her.

No matter what, "Trump is scared" is going to be the song, so let them sing it. While they do, Trump will continue hitting the message of the economy and immigration. That's what'll win him the votes.

Posted by: Shenanigans at September 12, 2024 05:12 PM (pZ0Mr)

104 Is there a smooth way to refuse a rematch?

"I won."
"I'm winning."
"I said all I need to say."
"They don't fight fair."
"The way these things are run makes them useless."

Maybe the last one.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 12, 2024 05:13 PM (wzAuc)

105 Chicken fingers? My people use all parts of the bird.

Posted by: The Haitian Gourmet at September 12, 2024 05:13 PM (vFG9F)

106 Yes, but will he get the banhammer?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 05:10 PM (tT6L1)

I assume getting is a step toward having.
Posted by: runner at September 12, 2024 05:11 PM (V13WU)
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Remember, TJM is noted for not getting it. Says so himself.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 05:13 PM (tT6L1)

107 now does UFO and Bear stories like Art Bell. Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:12 PM (n7h9X)

Does he have a West of the Rockies line?

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 12, 2024 05:13 PM (r5tfK)

108 What is the upside to another debate for Trump? I really can’t see one.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at September 12, 2024 05:14 PM (sA2OM)

109 Chicken fingers? My people use all parts of the bird. Posted by: The Haitian Gourmet at September 12, 2024 05:13 PM (vFG9F)

You're nor the only one.

Posted by: Guy who invented McNuggets at September 12, 2024 05:14 PM (r5tfK)

110 Another debate point:

Harris seemed to be talking to the Left. (J6, abortion, liar, ...) which makes sense since they are the ones who run the cheat machine.

Trump was talking to LIVs and moderates. He seemed intent on bringing up a lot of points that the Left will dismiss or "factcheck" but which the middle ground people are not hearing discussed ("he hates her", eating dogs, "I sent it back to the states which is what everyone wanted,....")

An Aside - I almost punched a lawyer in the face -- in a courtroom -- when he called me a liar. Harris threw that word around a lot, but I think to many people that is an evil slur and you had better back it up. These are the working class people and the ones that Trump is winning.
This Lefty verbal snark really hurt her, IMHO.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 12, 2024 05:14 PM (Xwm7T)

111 If anything, I'd trust Fox less than the others. Fox is still trying to prove its bona fides to their liberal media friends. F*** 'em.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 12, 2024 04:54 PM (xCA6C)

----------------

Agree. They may have a few good people like Gutfeld but on the whole their news people are just lower grade CNN.

Posted by: Decaf at September 12, 2024 05:14 PM (unUNN)

112 17 If I was Trump I would agree to a debate where I would only debate harris and not have to debate both harris and the debate moderators.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 12, 2024 04:57 PM (QNSds

The only way that could happen is if there were no moderator at all. So they could state their positions, and the other could respond. I guess you would have to have a time keeper, but the candidates themselves should get to ask each other the questions of their choosing.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at September 12, 2024 05:14 PM (OX9vb)

113 I'm having a black pill day

Posted by: Don Black at September 12, 2024 05:14 PM (/7KEl)

114 Chicken fingers? My people use all parts of the bird.

Posted by: The Haitian Gourmet at September 12, 2024 05:13 PM (vFG9F)

Partz iz partz

Posted by: BignJames at September 12, 2024 05:15 PM (AwYPR)

115 BREAKING: The Kamala Harris campaign just got caught BUSSING in thousands of people for her rally in North Carolina

Were they Haitian immigrants?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2024 05:15 PM (dTTBf)

116 What is it with Harris and buses? She babbled about school buses , about going to school on buses and she buses people to her rallies. Must think she's Rosa Parks

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 12, 2024 05:15 PM (hgmb+)

117 I wonder whether she has the same problem Hillary had, which is that the more people see of her, the more her numbers go down.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 12, 2024 05:08 PM (r5tfK)

The only Dem presidential candidate since LBJ that was not a complete unknown was Biden, and he had to hide in his Basement to win.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:15 PM (n7h9X)

118 Make the rule that the only thing the "moderators" can say is the question, "time" "please allow your opponent to continue, you will have time to rebut" and "within 30 seconds, can you give us your source for that fact you just said"\

but this is just weak stuff, trying to be fair. Make the questions public a week ahead of time, and take away all the time the person tries to talk over their opponent from the next round.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 12, 2024 05:15 PM (D7oie)

119 79 But this also forces Harris to actually campaign which she is incapable of doing. Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 12, 2024 05:04 PM (t/2Uw)

I wonder whether she has the same problem Hillary had, which is that the more people see of her, the more her numbers go down.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 12, 2024 05:08 PM (r5tfK)

Her appeal is getting more and more selective.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 12, 2024 05:15 PM (IZ9YR)

120 The only way that could happen is if there were no moderator at all. So they could state their positions,

==

In essence that's what rallies do.

Posted by: runner at September 12, 2024 05:15 PM (V13WU)

121 BREAKING: The Kamala Harris campaign just got caught BUSSING in thousands of people for her rally in North Carolina

Were they Haitian immigrants?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2024 05:15 PM (dTTBf)

HIDE THE KITTENS

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:16 PM (n7h9X)

122 Obligatory:

“LOOK AT THE POLLS!”

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at September 12, 2024 05:16 PM (WTFYU)

123 >> now does UFO and Bear stories like Art Bell.
———
I miss my interviews with General Johnson Jamison about his invisibility ray and werewolf punch.

Posted by: Art Bell on the at September 12, 2024 05:16 PM (teICE)

124 For no reason, but we're past 100.

https://tinyurl.com/yw37yjry

Posted by: Guy who invented McNuggets at September 12, 2024 05:16 PM (r5tfK)

125 Were they Haitian immigrants?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2024 05:15 PM (dTTBf)

I like how you think. You are devious. That's a good thing.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 12, 2024 05:16 PM (D7oie)

126 >Posted by: Uncle Floyd at September 12, 2024 05:05 PM (gsYzj)

Go choke on your Mama's cock

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at September 12, 2024 05:17 PM (sff4P)

127 103 >>Debates don't do shit, unless there's a killshot (Biden in July, Kamala getting shivved by Tulsi, Reagan "I paid for this microphone!, "I knew Jack Kennedy, you're no Jack Kennedy, et al) no one will really care in November.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:12 PM (LkLld)

Those examples you cited prove the one thing (and only thing) debates do: They solidify the unspoken truths that people were already believing but hadn't yet vocalized.

"Biden is half dead" was the murmur. The debate gave a voice to that.

"Kamala is a weak candidate with too many positions she's flip-flopped on" was the murmur. Tulsi said it out loud and gave people permission to ditto it.

"You're no Jack Kennedy" verified what a lot of people too polite to say: Quale was a lightweight wannabe.

we didn't get one of those moments in the last debate...at least not one that has been talked about. Early on, at one point, Trump replied to one of Kamala's memorized rants with "She doesn't even know what she's talking about; she's just repeating what they told her to say"

It was in the middle of cross-talk and no one really caught it, but it could have been one of those kill shots.

Posted by: Shenanigans at September 12, 2024 05:17 PM (pZ0Mr)

128 In other words they need time to round up enough Oldsmobiles full of 100% Kamala fake ballots to get the "right results".

Hopefully, they remember to change the name from "Joe Biden" to "Que-mala Harris", unlike the crew in charge of her website.

Posted by: t-bird at September 12, 2024 05:17 PM (ws6WZ)

129 " I'm having a black pill day
Posted by: Don BlacK"

Do they taste like licorice ? 'cause bleah.

Posted by: The Haitian Gourmet at September 12, 2024 05:17 PM (vFG9F)

130 Trump doesn't need any more debates, even his rallies are not that important at this stage. What he needs to do is visit places like Springfield in Ohio and Aurora in Colorado to publicise the horror that is unfolding all across the country due to illegals and the struggling economy. Tying them together wouldn't hurt.

Posted by: Decaf at September 12, 2024 05:18 PM (unUNN)

131
TJM with the Banhammer?!?!

My God! He'll be like...like...

The Thor of French Stewarts!

Posted by: naturalfake at September 12, 2024 05:19 PM (eDfFs)

132 BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SEA KITTENS?
OR THE LAKE KITTENS?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 12, 2024 05:19 PM (vUcPr)

133 Or, you know, you could treat teevee like the irrelevant, useless medium it is.

Ask Patrick Bet David to co-moderate a debate with some popular black podcaster (I don't remember their names, they're out there). Or ask Bill Maher to be your lefty.

Or better yet, Jimmy Dore, or Gleen Grenwald, or the Shoeonhead chick.

And if Cummala won't come on with you, do all their shows. All of them.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 12, 2024 05:19 PM (dGCAG)

134 If you go look at what Harris actually said during the debate she didn't say anything substantive, just I will make the economy great and give lots of tax breaks that will never pass and she will secure the border. Sure thing sugar tits. Nobody believes her.

Posted by: JackStraw

People have seen the 'vote for what I want and you'll see' ploy before. John Kerry tried it, so did Nanzi Pelosi. Kamala-di-dah is less smart and less likeable than even those two.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at September 12, 2024 05:19 PM (6YxVv)

135
O ye of short memories...

You all forgot the 2016 R debates when Trump behaved to those dopes EXACTLY as he did last Tuesday.

You're also forgetting how Everyone said Trump was awful in those debates. What a jerk, they said! He knows nothing, they said!

You're also forgetting he kept WINNING all the Primaries, proving "Everyone" wrong about their stupid opinion of his debate performances.

Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 12, 2024 05:19 PM (zeL/o)

136 ShainS, I believe Trump campaign has some ads already that follow that excellent approach - split screen, the bimbo arguing with herself, or flip-flopping on a specific issue, at different times. Devastating, far worse than the very real and effective stuff done (legitimatedly) against Kerry.

Caesar, that's my whole premise here - she's still unknown, by prez campaign standards. Next to vile Joe in 2020, who was at that time unable to deal with normal press interaction (if some could be found any more), hid, and "won". Well, not likely, but.

She can't do that. She's not known or liked or anything that is basic for a campaign. She desperately needs massive exposure and instead is hidden away. Amazing, really. Meanwhile, Trump will do more events and engagements (including "press", where, as has always been the case, there are no limits or guidelines for the dumb, hostile cretins who now make up 95% of the "press") than the last 3 GOP candidates put together.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2024 05:20 PM (GcNJ2)

137 Megyn Kelly is hot when she uses bad words.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at September 12, 2024 05:20 PM (ufFY8)

138 Camela talked over Trump several times, when her mic was supposed to be muted. They were probably just slow on the button.

Posted by: fd at September 12, 2024 05:20 PM (vFG9F)

139 Want the room to get a bit dusty? Little boy gets a birthday card (leads to X)

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (MpVUb)

Good grief I'm a lousy housekeeper. The dust in here is ridiculous.

**sniff**

Posted by: hobbitopoly at September 12, 2024 05:20 PM (k9OZB)

140 Biden is half dead

Which half?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 12, 2024 05:20 PM (vUcPr)

141 The dems used "Drumpf"; can we use Malaka or The Malaka?

Posted by: Spice at September 12, 2024 05:21 PM (dbzuV)

142 Show of hands, anybody who voted for Kamala? Thats what I thought.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at September 12, 2024 05:21 PM (QSrLX)

143 132
TJM with the Banhammer?!?!

My God! He'll be like...like...

The Thor of French Stewarts!

Posted by: naturalfake at September 12, 2024 05:19 PM (eDfFs)

There goes all the Prometheus jokes.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 12, 2024 05:21 PM (IZ9YR)

144 Make the rule that the only thing the "moderators" can say is the question, "time" "please allow your opponent to continue, you will have time to rebut" and "within 30 seconds, can you give us your source for that fact you just said"\

but this is just weak stuff, trying to be fair. Make the questions public a week ahead of time, and take away all the time the person tries to talk over their opponent from the next round.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 12, 2024 05:15 PM (D7oie)

I saw a re-enactment of the Lincoln Douglas Debates years back. Format was one candidate for an hour, no breaks, second 90 minutes for rebuttal and the first to close gets 30 minutes. We should do this for all debates. If you can't sit still then stay home.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:21 PM (n7h9X)

145
Remember Trump on stage versus 8 other Republicans?
Remember he was throwing "fuck yous," left and right?

Remember how they all ganged up on him, including the fake "moderators?"

And then the primary voters chimed in....

Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 12, 2024 05:21 PM (zeL/o)

146 Kumstain is less less likeable than Nanzi? That's really hard to pull off, but I think you're right. At least Nanzi doesn't cackle (much).

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at September 12, 2024 05:21 PM (XMwZJ)

147 I'm sorry, but when I hear Joe Rogan he sounds like John C. Reilly in Step Brothers. Expect him to break out into Bros and Hoes.

Don't blame Trump -- tired of rehashing Jan 6 ad infinitum.

And I think Trump did rather well on Tuesday. He sounded robust and full of ire, so the Dems lost the opportunity to label a doddering old fool. And it intensified the level of hatred I have for the Dem Axis of Evil.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 12, 2024 05:22 PM (YIxO9)

148 Trump doesn't need any more debates, even his rallies are not that important at this stage. What he needs to do is visit places like Springfield in Ohio and Aurora in Colorado to publicise the horror that is unfolding all across the country due to illegals and the struggling economy. Tying them together wouldn't hurt.
Posted by: Decaf at September 12, 2024 05:18 PM (unUNN)

Hell, go to Californica, walk the streets of LA or San Francissy.

Point out the shit and needles on the sidewalk.

Go to the border. Every day. Take a camera, and show illegals crossing, right over his shoulder... closer than Thomas Matthew Crooks got.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 12, 2024 05:22 PM (dGCAG)

149 The only way that could happen is if there were no moderator at all. So they could state their positions, and the other could respond. I guess you would have to have a time keeper, but the candidates themselves should get to ask each other the questions of their choosing.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at September 12, 2024 05:14 PM (OX9vb)

*****

It would be trivially easy to set up an automated system to “moderate” the debate: prerecorded questions, allotted amount of time for each response, mics automatically muted, no “fact checking”, each candidate gets a “free period” to make a statement, and maybe a couple of “rebuttal tokens” to be used at their discretion to offer a direct response to something said.

The problem is, it would be boring. A big draw of these debates—for all parties—is the drama, the interruptions, the “clapbacks”, and the moderators arguing with the Republican.

Posted by: Lurker at September 12, 2024 05:22 PM (FC8SQ)

150 The only ones who ever want "another debate" are the ones who NEED another debate. They're so risky because one big gaffe can end you, but if you're down and need a hail mary, that's what you go for.

Fact is, if Trump thought he was losing ground and was worried she was surging, he would agree to another debate, becuase his people would be telling him "do another one and let's get a knockout blow." Instead, they're saying "no, we're good." They don't need it, and for a republican to say that, means they must have some very encouraging data they're seeing.

Tells you all you need to know about the state of the race.

Posted by: Shenanigans at September 12, 2024 05:22 PM (pZ0Mr)

151 130 " I'm having a black pill day
Posted by: Don BlacK"

I use them to make my train run!

Posted by: Choo Choo Charlie at September 12, 2024 05:22 PM (Xwm7T)

152 Trump knows that even a Fox 'News' debate will end up with it being him against both Kamy AND the Moderators, just like last election.

Oh, and for the record, all of you who now Laud Me-again Kelly for her Conservatism, seem to forget how she stabbed Trump in the back last election.

Some of us remember who are traitors...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 12, 2024 05:23 PM (xaFKb)

153 Not happy with the prospect of Harris getting more votes overall. I'd like to see Trump win the general as well, and with an actual majority. Some (D)-flation in CA, NY, NJ plus lopsided R wins in TX and FL might take that "NO MANDATE" playpurty out of their freakishly tiny hands.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 12, 2024 05:23 PM (wzAuc)

154 Re Trump performed badly...well, from your lips to God's ears. Opinions vary. I thought he was pretty good given that he was debating three opponents and faced with a constant stream of lies.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at September 12, 2024 05:23 PM (XMwZJ)

155 Yeah, Harris is in NC again. They want this state something awful. It's drowning with illegals and Out of State transplants.

Posted by: just saying at September 12, 2024 05:23 PM (Uy/WF)

156 I thought Fred Barnes put it the best. Kamala won the debate. But America might not want a president who wins a debate, but one who has an established track record of accomplishments.

That's exactly how I felt. Plus, for some reason 2% of opinion about who's better on the economy shifted during the course of the debate. Kamala went from 37% to 35%. Trump went from 55% to 57%.

It's the economy, ho.

Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 05:23 PM (krQz2)

157 Personally I don't understand why he wanted to debate her to start with other than to attempt to get her to express her opinions and platform, she wiggled like a redworm being put on a hook and lied through her teeth.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at September 12, 2024 05:24 PM (qZdIZ)

158 >>People have seen the 'vote for what I want and you'll see' ploy before. John Kerry tried it, so did Nanzi Pelosi. Kamala-di-dah is less smart and less likeable than even those two.

And then there are the small matters like she has been the VP for the last 3 1/2 years and done just the opposite and hours of video of her saying the complete opposite of what she now claims to support.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:24 PM (LkLld)

159 BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SEA KITTENS?
OR THE LAKE KITTENS?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle

You mean otters?

Posted by: Stu Podaso at September 12, 2024 05:24 PM (6YxVv)

160 155 Yeah, Harris is in NC again. They want this state something awful. It's drowning with illegals and Out of State transplants.
Posted by: just saying at September 12, 2024 05:23 PM (Uy/WF)

=======

It was won by late night ballot box dumps in 2020.

And the Republican supermajority in the legislature has tighten up security since.

I seriously, seriously doubt NC is gonna be all that close.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 12, 2024 05:24 PM (GBKbO)

161 49 Want the room to get a bit dusty? Little boy gets a birthday card (leads to X)

https://tinyurl.com/yc2ya667

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (MpVUb)

Borderline bawling over here. Bless his heart.

Posted by: Peaches at September 12, 2024 05:25 PM (14URa)

162 Format was one candidate for an hour, no breaks, second 90 minutes for rebuttal and the first to close gets 30 minutes. We should do this for all debates. If you can't sit still then stay home.

bro, can you condense that down to a 30 second tik tok and maybe a couple memes?

Posted by: Zoomers at September 12, 2024 05:25 PM (NGHTx)

163 I saw a re-enactment of the Lincoln Douglas Debates years back. Format was one candidate for an hour, no breaks, second 90 minutes for rebuttal and the first to close gets 30 minutes. We should do this for all debates. If you can't sit still then stay home.
Posted by: Oldcat

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The purpose of the current format is to create soundbites the news media can edit to attack Republicans. See Jackstraw above.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 12, 2024 05:25 PM (Xwm7T)

164 I think, as we discussed, we here just can't know the "right" answers Trump should have given because we're not the target voters he needs to win.

And, the indications are, those that are persuadable, the undecided, they did go in with an open mind--and expected a lot more from ... Harris.

So, the answers we wanted from Trump? Those may have gotten cheers from us but may have cost him bigly among the voters he's needing.

Remember: In 2020, Joe was at an average of 50.5 while Trump was at 43. Biden pulled away through the middle of Oct., then Trump started closing the gap.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 12, 2024 05:25 PM (M5STE)

165 154 Re Trump performed badly...well, from your lips to God's ears. Opinions vary. I thought he was pretty good given that he was debating three opponents and faced with a constant stream of lies.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at September 12, 2024 05:23 PM (XMwZJ)

I didn't watch the debate, the impression I have though, people thinking he performed badly are the same people who didn't want him running in the first place.

Let's face it, even a large number of his most ardent supporters, if they're being honest, think he's icky.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 12, 2024 05:25 PM (dGCAG)

166
Megyn Kelly has made up for her stupidity since 2016.

She literally said she will crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump.

Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 12, 2024 05:25 PM (zeL/o)

167 "Furthermore, the media agreed that they would not debate Trump, but merely moderate, but they lied, went back on their word and broke the debate rules to debate Trump anyway."

Funny, how nobody's talking about how with BIDEN, they DIDN'T break the debate rules, and it was a TKO. Also, whatever drugs they had given him before for such occasions were ineffective. The puppet masters set him up for that fall.

If you want to call that debate a "win" for Kamala, it's by virtue of the fact that she - for the most part - managed to NOT babble meaningless platitudes, as she often does. I recent saw a clip of her when she was CA's AG - she was NOT like that back then. People suggest she might be an alcoholic, which might explain the deterioration. There's a halfway decent theory that she had an earpiece, and was being fed answers. Obviously, her team had been given the questions in advance (but they were kind of obvious anyway).

Posted by: MrExcitement at September 12, 2024 05:25 PM (hOOi9)

168 I vote for Robb Shmidt on Newsmax for moderator. That guy has a very good delivery with a devastating sense of snark.

Posted by: DanMan at September 12, 2024 05:25 PM (8uzBS)

169 Oh, and for the record, all of you who now Laud Me-again Kelly for her Conservatism, seem to forget how she stabbed Trump in the back last election.

Some of us remember who are traitors...
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 12, 2024 05:23 PM (xaFKb)
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Megyn made her peace with Trump and did a really good podcast interview with PDT.

https://tinyurl.com/3y45t9jj

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 05:25 PM (tT6L1)

170
Agree to a debate on the Russia Today channel and watch people lose their shit.
Posted by: Stu Podaso

Free Speech TV

https://freespeech.org

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 12, 2024 05:26 PM (63Dwl)

171 Meg Kelly is always going off on somebody
hope she doesn't blow a gasket

Posted by: Don Black at September 12, 2024 05:26 PM (/7KEl)

172 Trump is a bit of a fool, but the NYT reports that Harris is "poised to approve Ukraine's launch of long-range Western Weapons deep into Russia"

Posted by: Oglebay at September 12, 2024 05:26 PM (7fVdQ)

173 One way in which debates (rarely) have mattered: 1980, when Reagan's caricatured image (the press was 80% better then, but still wildly, wildly partisan and distorted) came up against live TV in his first debate with Jimmy.

Boom. Turned out Reagan wasn't scary, or dumb, or otherwise off-putting. Carter was doomed, but that was a real turning point in the whole process that helped a victory become a massive landslide.

Harris is in a comparable situation. She doesn't need to dispel an artificial negative image (though she would have to, if her dingbat nature and performance were ever given any exposure by the "press"). But she desperately needs to define herself for voters who are open to it. She's a blank slate who doesn't have the circumstances, the opponent, or the appeal to vapid idiots like Obama did. She needs something. And she ain't got it now, I doubt she will ever have it. But more 1 on 1s with Trump would seem definitely far more important to her, than to him.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2024 05:26 PM (GcNJ2)

174 Lol, Komrade Kamala.

Trump stump speech on Fox Biz.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 12, 2024 05:27 PM (ufFY8)

175 Some have said Trump should go to Springfield. That caused me to take a Google Earth street view of the Ohio town I grew up in, Cuhahoga Falls, where we lived from my grades 1 thru 12 and first three years of college.

And which I hadn't seen, since leaving, a very long time ago.

It was depressing. Terrible. Most all the older homes built in the 1920s all gone and lots vacant, and it seemed like every kind of business that produced anything had disappeared with only weedy acres left behind.

The parish church where I sang in the choir, did first communion and confirmation still stands, but not its convent or its 1 thru 8 school.

Today it looks like ripe territory for a Haitian infusion.

Posted by: M. Gaga at September 12, 2024 05:27 PM (nWmNS)

176 Trump, by not going on the attack like we wanted, was
a form of defense; let the voters decide, they already have you in their lead.

OTOH, prevent defense always does one thing: Prevent you from winning.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 12, 2024 05:27 PM (M5STE)

177 Come on man an internal poll? That and $4 will buy you a shitty cup of Starbucks coffee. And Rasmussen and NYT were before the debate so they say nothing about who won or lost the debate.

Posted by: News Update at September 12, 2024 05:28 PM (VWsCu)

178 Trump knows that even a Fox 'News' debate will end up with it being him against both Kamy AND the Moderators, just like last election.

Oh, and for the record, all of you who now Laud Me-again Kelly for her Conservatism, seem to forget how she stabbed Trump in the back last election.

Some of us remember who are traitors...
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 12, 2024 05:23 PM (xaFKb)

Every time she stabs the Dems I applaud her, and that's all. The more enemies my enemy have the better.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:28 PM (n7h9X)

179 re Kamala in NC

think about otherwise GOP states that have elected blue governors or senators. Kentucky and Ohio come to mind. Why does that happen? It happens because the left mobilizes around a big leftist idea, then gets their people to the polls when the other party is napping.

I think it was telling that Kamala's people, post-debate, said they hammered abortion the way they did, because that's the most resonant message for women voters (sadly).

If they can make that the decisive issue, over something like the economy, then they hope to flip a state like North Carolina.

Her overall strategy, I think, is to hold Nevada, keep (wink wink) Arizona, and flip either NC or Georgia, as a way to withstand Trump taking Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Shenanigans at September 12, 2024 05:28 PM (pZ0Mr)

180 Could you imagine what a Trump debate would look like if he actually studied up and focused?

It would be a thing of beauty.

Posted by: Frank Barone at September 12, 2024 05:28 PM (+oR7L)

181 Twtichy is reporting that an ABC whistle blower is working with a lawyer to release a signed affidavit that Kamala was given questions before the debate and other assurances of help such as fact checking Trump during the debate.

Posted by: Just Lily at September 12, 2024 05:29 PM (oGOfM)

182 I thought he was pretty good given that he was debating three opponents and faced with a constant stream of lies.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at September 12, 2024 05:23 PM (XMwZJ)
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What I take people to mean by that--and what I have meant by that--is that out from under the hot lights we thought of something better to say here or there a better point to push. A better way to hammer the "moderators"--which is definitely what I would have done.

However, I should know better because I was a Math TA with a 4.0 average, and sometimes out in front of the class, I wasn't sure I had done basic math correctly, and sometimes would just stare at the board trying to make sure I did it right.

The mind is more at ease out of the spotlight.

Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 05:29 PM (krQz2)

183 So, the answers we wanted from Trump? Those may have gotten cheers from us but may have cost him bigly among the voters he's needing.

Remember: In 2020, Joe was at an average of 50.5 while Trump was at 43. Biden pulled away through the middle of Oct., then Trump started closing the gap.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 12, 2024 05:25 PM (M5STE)

Bernie said the quiet part out loud the other day, that Cummala says things she does to get votes, implying she doesn't mean any of it.

Republican voters though, seem to demand purity from their candidates: You must be as passionate about this topic as I am, if not I'm going to stay home.

Oh shut up, you ninny. Stay home if you must, but I don't want to hear you flapping your gums about the "liberals" in this country, anymore, ever.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 12, 2024 05:29 PM (dGCAG)

184 71 I agree, if Trumps votes so overwhelmingly beat the fraud he wins just as in 2016. That night as soon as Pa was announced for Trump I knew it was over.

Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2024 05:29 PM (fwDg9)

185 @M. Gaga, I'm pretty sure what you're describing is what got unknown non-politician J.D. Vance elected Senator.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 12, 2024 05:29 PM (r5tfK)

186 172 Trump is a bit of a fool, but the NYT reports that Harris is "poised to approve Ukraine's launch of long-range Western Weapons deep into Russia"
Posted by: Oglebay at

Did they hand Harris the keys to the country already? Why would she approve?

Posted by: Piper at September 12, 2024 05:29 PM (pZEOD)

187 Trump, by not going on the attack like we wanted, was
a form of defense; let the voters decide, they already have you in their lead.

OTOH, prevent defense always does one thing: Prevent you from winning.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 12, 2024 05:27 PM (M5STE)

So does blitzing your whole line and having a screen pass go 95 yards for a touchdown.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:29 PM (n7h9X)

188 The purpose of the current format is to create soundbites the news media can edit to attack Republicans. See Jackstraw above.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest

Kind of what Dan Bongino has been saying. Presidential campaigns are just snapshots and soundbites.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at September 12, 2024 05:30 PM (6YxVv)

189 "You're no Jack Kennedy" verified what a lot of people too polite to say: Quale was a lightweight wannabe.

Posted by: Shenanigans at September 12, 2024 05:17 PM

--

A touchdown, yes, but it didn't win the game.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 12, 2024 05:30 PM (wzAuc)

190 >>Trump is a bit of a fool, but the NYT reports that Harris is "poised to approve Ukraine's launch of long-range Western Weapons deep into Russia"

Starting WWIII over a country nobody gives a shit about is a sure winner on the campaign trail.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:30 PM (LkLld)

191 > but the NYT reports that Harris is "poised to approve Ukraine's launch of long-range Western Weapons deep into Russia"
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last time I looked, the Veep was not the CinC
we're just making it up as we go now, looks like

she'll get us killed

Posted by: Don Black at September 12, 2024 05:30 PM (/7KEl)

192 "Could you imagine what a Trump debate would look like if he actually studied up and focused?

It would be a thing of beauty.
Posted by: Frank Barone"

You should write him a letter and tell him that.

Posted by: fd at September 12, 2024 05:30 PM (vFG9F)

193 166
Megyn Kelly has made up for her stupidity since 2016.

She literally said she will crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump.
Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 12, 2024 05:25 PM (zeL/o)

The puppet masters she was whoring for, for big bucks, threw her to the curb, so I'd guess she'd like some payback.

Funny how loyal to the cabal people are, when their favored positions and careers depend on it.

It's a positive development - she's good at what she does, but let's not be too impressed at her "awakening".

Posted by: MrExcitement at September 12, 2024 05:30 PM (hOOi9)

194 168 I vote for Robb Shmidt on Newsmax for moderator. That guy has a very good delivery with a devastating sense of snark.

Posted by: DanMan at September 12, 2024 05:25 PM (8uzBS)

I love him! He's what I miss most since Newsmax went behind a paywall. And I said, hell no.

Posted by: Peaches at September 12, 2024 05:31 PM (14URa)

195 F*** it- let it all be done

Posted by: Don Black at September 12, 2024 05:31 PM (/7KEl)

196 Personally I don't understand why he wanted to debate her to start with other than to attempt to get her to express her opinions and platform, she wiggled like a redworm being put on a hook and lied through her teeth.
Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at September 12, 2024 05:24 PM (qZdIZ)

to be the best you got to take every challenger. The small fry you can ignore, or you can have your people deal with, but a primary challenger you have to face down and beat.
That is how people think.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 12, 2024 05:31 PM (D7oie)

197 If anything, I'd trust Fox less than the others. Fox is still trying to prove its bona fides to their liberal media friends. F*** 'em.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 12, 2024 04:54 PM (xCA6C)

Use Jesse Watters and Gutfeld. Fox would never use them. Kamala would leave the stage crying.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at September 12, 2024 05:07 PM (iODuv)
******
Harris Faulkner, Trace Gallagher, Laura Ingraham or even Hannity.
Each candidate should choose their moderator and they can fact check.

Posted by: redridinghood at September 12, 2024 05:31 PM (NpAcC)

198 He had multiple chances to do what Ronald Reagan did to Walter Mondale in 1984 - use a meme from his opponent he knew was coming and turn it around, erasing any doubt as to who is going to win the election. Trump didn't do that. I'll give you just two examples of a rhetorical checkmate Trump left on the board. - Duane Patterson from the OP
=

"Rhetorical checkmate"? Sorry, I'm sick and tired of that clapped-out trope in 2024. It's bullshit. This isn't 1984. Not even close. We're in a political Cold War at the present and no single quote, not even a series of quotes, is going to deep-six a Dem candidate. A GOP candidate might take some damage, but at the moment, herpes has a higher approval rating than the MSM. Only the personal stories of each voter matters.

Posted by: mrp at September 12, 2024 05:32 PM (rj6Yv)

199 He will go to Springfield and the world will be watching.
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Oh, excellent point.

He can go there, get massive coverage--including in PA and WI.
Bring up locals to tell their stories of what the immigration has done to their community.
Dare the media to keep calling them liars to protect Democrats.

Harris can't go within 200 miles of the place.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 12, 2024 05:32 PM (M5STE)

200 Megyn Kelly is hot ~~when she uses bad words.~~
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at September 12, 2024 05:20 PM (ufFY

I fixed that. Please don't let my wife see this comment.

Posted by: I'll choose a new nick later-Certified Dangerous Radical at September 12, 2024 05:32 PM (89Sog)

201 I vote ace to moderate a debate between Kamala and PDT.

Ace will be allowed one cruel remark per candidate per segment.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 05:33 PM (tT6L1)

202 Trump is a bit of a fool, but the NYT reports that Harris is "poised to approve Ukraine's launch of long-range Western Weapons deep into Russia"
Posted by: Oglebay at

Did they hand Harris the keys to the country already? Why would she approve?
Posted by: Piper at September 12, 2024 05:29 PM (pZEOD)

Has nothing to do with Harris. The Deepsters, already pissed that Ukraine burned another 20000 of their best troops on a junket into Kursk and embarrassed them, are caving in to let Ukraine use US weapons to lob shells into Churches and Residential districts in Russia while Russia blows them up at the Border.

Russia has already said that since US and EU weapons and operators and satellite surveillance are used they consider this a red line and will retaliate against them for that, at some point.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:33 PM (n7h9X)

203 191 > but the NYT reports that Harris is "poised to approve Ukraine's launch of long-range Western Weapons deep into Russia"
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What the actual?!? That's insane under any circumstances, but was there at least an "if she wins the election" in there?

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 12, 2024 05:33 PM (wzAuc)

204 199 He will go to Springfield and the world will be watching.
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Oh, excellent point.

He can go there, get massive coverage--including in PA and WI.
Bring up locals to tell their stories of what the immigration has done to their community.
Dare the media to keep calling them liars to protect Democrats.

Harris can't go within 200 miles of the place.
Posted by: People's Hippo

He should go to Maui, as well.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 12, 2024 05:33 PM (Xwm7T)

205 Cuyahoga Falls leaned Republican until 5-10 years ago or so as the Dems continued their abandonment of the disaster they have made in Akron.

They are trying to do some nice things on the river in the falls and, while I live in the Republican redoubt of Hudson, I like going to dinner there occasionally.

Posted by: Oglebay at September 12, 2024 05:33 PM (7fVdQ)

206 Want the room to get a bit dusty? Little boy gets a birthday card (leads to X)

Awww. So touching and no, the MSM media will never show it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2024 05:33 PM (dTTBf)

207 "You're no Jack Kennedy" verified what a lot of people too polite to say: Quale was a lightweight wannabe.

Posted by: Shenanigans at September 12, 2024 05:17 PM

It's Quayle[/]...as in potatoe.

Posted by: BignJames at September 12, 2024 05:33 PM (AwYPR)

208 Listening to a replay of Trump's statement. Not weak.

Posted by: Coki at September 12, 2024 05:34 PM (Wkrcf)

209 I vote ace to moderate a debate between Kamala and PDT.

Ace will be allowed one cruel remark per candidate per segment.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 05:33 PM (tT6L1)

Ace, as an Ewok is neutral in human matters.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:34 PM (n7h9X)

210 Twtichy is reporting that an ABC whistle blower is working with a lawyer to release a signed affidavit that Kamala was given questions before the debate and other assurances of help such as fact checking Trump during the debate.
Posted by: Just Lily at September 12, 2024 05:29 PM (oGOfM)
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We ask all things the name of Jesus Christ, and we thank you. Amen.

Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 05:34 PM (krQz2)

211 oops

Posted by: BignJames at September 12, 2024 05:34 PM (AwYPR)

212 Don’t wrestle a sow in the mud

Posted by: Eromero at September 12, 2024 05:34 PM (o2ZRX)

213 Anyone who watches debates to choose between Trump and Kamalas is far down on the wrong side of the Bell Curve.

The nets hype this shit worse than the NFL. And both are just as rigged.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 12, 2024 05:34 PM (wBaIH)

214 >>He had multiple chances to do what Ronald Reagan did to Walter Mondale in 1984 - use a meme from his opponent he knew was coming and turn it around, erasing any doubt as to who is going to win the election

He did. Excuse me, I'm speaking. Same thing Harris launched at Pence.

I'm starting to think most people who thought Trump did a bad job didn't actually watch the debate.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:35 PM (LkLld)

215 Ace, as an Ewok is neutral in human matters.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:34 PM (n7h9X)
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Is that why he has a plan to eat people?

As an Ewok?

Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 05:35 PM (krQz2)

216 "Some have said Trump should go to Springfield. That caused me to take a Google Earth street view of the Ohio town I grew up in, Cuhahoga Falls, where we lived from my grades 1 thru 12 and first three years of college.

And which I hadn't seen, since leaving, a very long time ago.

It was depressing. Terrible. Most all the older homes built in the 1920s all gone and lots vacant, and it seemed like every kind of business that produced anything had disappeared with only weedy acres left behind. "

That is sad. I grew up in Cleveland. It was such a picturesque place, great to hang out on warm summer evening, get ice cream walk by the fall. So much has gone to shit in this country past few decades. (Cleveland did that long before Cuyahoga Falls)

Posted by: Ripley at September 12, 2024 05:35 PM (GUOwU)

217 Let AI moderate a debate. It would be no less ridiculous than what we've got now.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2024 05:35 PM (Q4IgG)

218 > but the NYT reports that Harris is "poised to approve Ukraine's launch of long-range Western Weapons deep into Russia"
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What the actual?!? That's insane under any circumstances, but was there at least an "if she wins the election" in there?
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 12, 2024 05:33 PM (wzAuc)

No, Blinken and some UK crony are in Kiev now. This has nothing to do with Harris though. She isn't calling the shots.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:36 PM (n7h9X)

219 Trump could propose a debate with no moderators. Questions submitted by an audience with time limits on answers and rebuttals. Period. Or propose a C-Span debate, with an actual moderator. Why are we constantly anchored to the f*cking MSM for these debates? We just concede to it like it's some holy law.

I agree about Trump's missed opportunities and I don't understand how he couldn't have been ready "to seize and pounce."

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 12, 2024 05:36 PM (+cFQ9)

220 184 71 I agree, if Trumps votes so overwhelmingly beat the fraud he wins just as in 2016. That night as soon as Pa was announced for Trump I knew it was over.
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2024 05:29 PM (fwDg9)

Remember how long they took to announce PA in 2016? He was ahead by something like 2%, with 1% of the vote left to count, and they still wouldn't do it, for a pretty long time. Crooks, every one of them.

But it wasn't about "overwhelming the fraud". The fix was in - Hillary was measuring for drapes - but as Gen McInerny explained, the steal (via Hammer and Scorecard) was "stopped". He didn't say how. Clearly it was not STOPPED in 2020, and that was likely for a purpose.

Posted by: MrExcitement at September 12, 2024 05:36 PM (hOOi9)

221 He did. Excuse me, I'm speaking. Same thing Harris launched at Pence.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:35 PM (LkLld)
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No he didn't. He should have said "I'm speaking," which would have made it clear.

Instead he said something like it. Which is not as sharp and less of a point.

Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 05:37 PM (krQz2)

222 He should go to Maui, as well.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 12, 2024 05:33 PM (Xwm7T)

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+1

"What happened to all the children? Who has been held accountable? Who financially benefited?"

Posted by: ShainS at September 12, 2024 05:37 PM (bnKpi)

223 Every single Trump supporter I know was despondent after that debate.

We were hoping he'd cut her head off Medusa style and turn the moderators into stone, holding it up for them to see. A draw in a 3:1 fight is a good outcome.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at September 12, 2024 05:37 PM (Da7Vv)

224 He should go to Maui, as well.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 12, 2024 05:33 PM (Xwm7T)

Send Tulsi there. Or go with her.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:38 PM (n7h9X)

225 {104} Is there a smooth way to refuse a rematch? ...

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 12, 2024 05:13 PM (wzAuc)

"NUTS!"

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at September 12, 2024 05:38 PM (O7YUW)

226 Cuyahoga Falls leaned Republican until 5-10 years ago or so as the Dems continued their abandonment of the disaster they have made in Akron. Posted by: Oglebay at September 12, 2024 05:33 PM (7fVdQ)

Eh Oh Way to go Ohio

Posted by: Chrissy Hynde at September 12, 2024 05:38 PM (r5tfK)

227 "Did they hand Harris the keys to the country already? Why would she approve?"

It would show A Woman Can Be Tuff ... but unless she is made prezzie, can't see how she would be the decider.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 12, 2024 05:38 PM (Cus5s)

228 Every single Trump supporter I know was despondent after that debate.

We were hoping he'd cut her head off Medusa style and turn the moderators into stone, holding it up for them to see. A draw in a 3:1 fight is a good outcome.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at September 12, 2024 05:37 PM (Da7Vv)

Only turning 2 Dem's to stone? Weaksauce Loser.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:38 PM (n7h9X)

229 PDT said "I'm speaking here, sound familiar?"

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2024 05:38 PM (I1GXe)

230 >Twtichy is reporting that an ABC whistle blower is working with a lawyer to release a signed affidavit that Kamala was given questions before the debate
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I rate this as dubious

Posted by: Don Black at September 12, 2024 05:39 PM (/7KEl)

231

To be fair Trump had some nice spots but boy he came off loud and almost out of control. They kicked his audio up.

His closing statement was good but too little too late imo.

Cummy came off like a typical lib.

I hate the media.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzx at September 12, 2024 05:39 PM (w2caW)

232 Posted by: Shenanigans at September 12, 2024 05:28 PM (pZ0Mr)

*****

Speaking of abortion, KY and OH, didn’t both of those “red” states codify it in their state constitutions via referenda?

Lesson: a lot of “pro-life” women are lying.

Posted by: Lurker at September 12, 2024 05:39 PM (FC8SQ)

233 Every question put to Trump had him responding to the bs about the previous comment from Cumala before he could answer the shit they were tossing at him. Trump answered every question asked of him a whole lot more. Cumala started off with a question "did you think things were better four years ago?" and not only didn't come close to an answer went off on a fairy tale. No pushback at all. I can't remember a single policy she mentioned.

Posted by: DanMan at September 12, 2024 05:39 PM (8uzBS)

234 That is sad. I grew up in Cleveland. It was such a picturesque place, great to hang out on warm summer evening, get ice cream walk by the fall. So much has gone to shit in this country past few decades. (Cleveland did that long before Cuyahoga Falls)

Posted by: Ripley at September 12, 2024 05:35 PM

I grew up in Akron in the 60's. Every time I go back to see my mom it gets worse. The University and the Hospital have pretty much taken over the entire city and the population keep dropping.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 12, 2024 05:39 PM (QNSds)

235 Remove journalists/media from the debates.

Have then conducted by some actual debate organization.

Posted by: davidt at September 12, 2024 05:40 PM (i0F8b)

236 The debate wasn't aimed at us. It was aimed at undecided. Trump picked up +2, Kamala nothing. What we didn't count on was the effect of giving her the answers and backing her up. She was sold as a tough effective prosecuter. She went into smarty pants mode. Didn't bother to lay out a platform. That turned off the undecideds.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:40 PM (MpVUb)

237 Republicans in Israel Chair is telling every Jew to vote for Trump.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2024 05:40 PM (I1GXe)

238 If there is a state that will break the Democrats' back if Trump flips it:

VA or CO.

Although, CO would be bigger than VA.
Flipping VA means beating their regular fraud.
Flipping CO means beating their mail-in fraud.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 12, 2024 05:41 PM (M5STE)

239 I grew up in Akron in the 60's. Every time I go back to see my mom it gets worse. The University and the Hospital have pretty much taken over the entire city and the population keep dropping. Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 12, 2024 05:39 PM (QNSds)

Syracuse is the same way.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 12, 2024 05:41 PM (r5tfK)

240 WHOA: ABC Whistleblower Reportedly Coming Forward With Deets Proving Kamala Had Questions BEFORE Debate

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I'm shocked!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 12, 2024 05:41 PM (L/fGl)

241 @ace: "... scumbag Elderly Nepo Baby Chris Wallace ..."

I feel like scumbag should be capitalized and included in the honorific title.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 12, 2024 05:41 PM (G2fGh)

242 >>Instead he said something like it. Which is not as sharp and less of a point.

C'mon, some of you are incredible pickers of nit.

The guy was debating 3 people at the same time and they were often lying and his opponent had the questions in advance and her were all softballs and not a single fact check.

He should have prepared! How? What questions didn't he answer? Even when he gave a strong answer the moderators "fact checked" him.

He did fine. Harris was her usual lying, air headed self.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:41 PM (LkLld)

243 Kamala can not make any executive decisions that are the rightful duties of the elected President

If she wants to start WW3 she has to invoke 25A and do it right

yes, I know all of this is pissing in the wind

Posted by: Don Black at September 12, 2024 05:42 PM (/7KEl)

244 I think it would have been good for Trump, when Kamala was on about how little he cares for the common man, if he would have brought up the chemical spill at East Palestine. They send VPs to funerals--why wasn't this important enough to send one DC VIP to?!

Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 05:42 PM (krQz2)

245 Let AI moderate a debate. It would be no less ridiculous than what we've got now.

Posted by: Martini Farmer

Tanned, rested, and ridiculous.

Posted by: Google AI at September 12, 2024 05:42 PM (hCzfy)

246 Want the room to get a bit dusty? Little boy gets a birthday card (leads to X)

https://tinyurl.com/yc2ya667
Posted by: Notsothoreau

Wow. I'm sitting in my office in tears and thankful that you shared this post. Just plain heartfelt decency and goodness in a world that desperately needs it.

Posted by: Cheri at September 12, 2024 05:42 PM (oiNtH)

247 OT

You'll need some translation software or plug-in... but this is off the hook... The so-called "dogs of war"

https://tinyurl.com/2uee7un6

*goes to X

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2024 05:42 PM (Q4IgG)

248 Kamala can not make any executive decisions that are the rightful duties of the elected President

Posted by: Don Black at September 12, 2024 05:42 PM (/7KEl)
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Neither could Joe.

Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 05:42 PM (krQz2)

249 I grew up in Akron in the 60's. Every time I go back to see my mom it gets worse. The University and the Hospital have pretty much taken over the entire city and the population keep dropping.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 12, 2024 05:39 PM (QNSds)

+++++
A fair number of the kids in my HS class who wanted to be engineers went to Akron. I don't think that happens much anymore as U of A is barely keeping the doors open these days.

Posted by: Oglebay at September 12, 2024 05:43 PM (7fVdQ)

250 The "undecided" vote is negligible. All that remains are how many on each side are motivated enough to cast a vote and how many fraudulent ballots are counted.

Posted by: mrp at September 12, 2024 05:43 PM (rj6Yv)

251 Trump is a Pussy in not debating a African American Birthing person. In my eyes he is a PUSSY, and I know a PUSSY when I look in the mirror every morning.

Posted by: Tim Walz at September 12, 2024 05:43 PM (qpLSv)

252 219 Trump could propose a debate with no moderators. ....

I agree about Trump's missed opportunities and I don't understand how he couldn't have been ready "to seize and pounce."
Posted by: Ordinary American

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I mean, Trump strength is his ability to connect to normal people. I am not sure if that is his positions, his instinctive reactions to things, or his speech patterns.

His weakness with people like us - informed, intelligent?, and conservative -- is that he does not elucidate the facts or the justification for his positions the way Reagan was so skilled at.

I don't know if this is a bitter with the sweet type of deal where you can't have both, but I think there is no debate format that is inherently positive for Trump. He is not a debater but he is skilled at hijacking narratives and this debate was an opportunity for him to do that.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 12, 2024 05:43 PM (Xwm7T)

253 ABC gave her the questions prior, and said she wouldn't be fact checked.....surprised?

Trump shouldn't do another debate unless it's moderated by someone like Megyn Kelley. Too much time. He is better off on the trail in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

Posted by: jeff at September 12, 2024 05:43 PM (8qMs2)

254 TJM is the warmest, nicest most brilliant co-blogger in the world. You couldn't find a better movie reviewer and all-around clever personality.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 12, 2024 05:43 PM (UprOq)

255 David Muir needs to be fired and blacklisted.

Posted by: ALH at September 12, 2024 05:43 PM (xJEPL)

256 @238

forget Colorado

Posted by: Don Black at September 12, 2024 05:44 PM (/7KEl)

257 161 49 Want the room to get a bit dusty? Little boy gets a birthday card (leads to X)

https://tinyurl.com/yc2ya667

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (MpVUb)

Borderline bawling over here. Bless his heart.
Posted by: Peaches at September 12, 2024 05:25 PM (14URa)

O.M.G.

So far, at least 614K impressions. It's a side that people don't see, but I bet the word will get out, somehow.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 12, 2024 05:44 PM (IZ9YR)

258 Slanted blog?

Posted by: ALH at September 12, 2024 05:44 PM (xJEPL)

259 The debate wasn't aimed at us. It was aimed at undecided. Trump picked up +2, Kamala nothing. What we didn't count on was the effect of giving her the answers and backing her up. She was sold as a tough effective prosecuter. She went into smarty pants mode. Didn't bother to lay out a platform. That turned off the undecideds.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:40 PM (MpVUb)

I can't imagine a Prez candidate hiding behind anyone's skirts coming off positive to voters. And a lot of undecideds are really decided, just skulking to avoid persecution.

I see in blue areas high level peeps changing parties D->R, and only bitter ex pols doing the opposite. Makes you wonder what they know.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:44 PM (n7h9X)

260 Refusing to debate is an incumbent move. When you're ahead.
Voters see the strong horse incumbent do that all the time.

Remember: The Democrats threw away the biggest advantage in politics, incumbency. In a panic.
And not just regular office incumbency--the Presidency.

And Trump has just swooped in and taken that in the minds of the voters ...

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 12, 2024 05:44 PM (M5STE)

261 alright who did it

Posted by: Don Black at September 12, 2024 05:44 PM (/7KEl)

262

Posted by: I'll choose a new nick later-Certified Dangerous Radical at September 12, 2024 05:44 PM (89Sog)

263
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Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 12, 2024 05:44 PM (zeL/o)

264 >>>If Alec Baldwin ever deserved an Oscar, it would have been for his 7-minute cameo in GGGR.

the scene was added only in the movie. (Not in the play.)

I guess Mamet wanted, or the studio demanded, a scene that would escalate the stakes higher.

Posted by: ace at September 12, 2024 05:45 PM (KRtlO)

265 238 If there is a state that will break the Democrats' back if Trump flips it:

VA or CO.

Although, CO would be bigger than VA.
Flipping VA means beating their regular fraud.
Flipping CO means beating their mail-in fraud.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 12, 2024 05:41 PM (M5STE)

I remember in 2016, early in the night, when Trump was leading (for a long time) in Virginia. Old James Carville was on CNN, just shaking his head, listening as the panelists were saying Hillary was hoping to win North Carolina.

Carville jumped in: "If he's losing in Virginia, she's already lost North Carolina!"

Trump ended up losing Virginia and winning North Carolina.

Winning VA back would be a delight. It'd be called earlier than Pennsylvania, and would be an early nail in the coffin for her.

Posted by: Shenanigans at September 12, 2024 05:45 PM (pZ0Mr)

266 BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SEA KITTENS?
OR THE LAKE KITTENS?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle

Didn't we have a running theme about sea kittens a few years back? I don't remember how that started, or if I'm making that up in my mind, false memory like.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at September 12, 2024 05:45 PM (OX9vb)

267 258 Slanted blog?
Posted by: ALH at September 12, 2024 05:44 PM (xJEPL)
Definitely right-leaning

Posted by: Emmie at September 12, 2024 05:45 PM (Sf2cq)

268 Looking at the Loomer v Green thing, so wait I thought Kamala said she was black, no longer Indian, like a month ago right? So...is that still rayciss?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 12, 2024 05:45 PM (oZhjI)

269 Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 12, 2024 05:44 PM (zeL/o)

Missed it by [] that much!

Posted by: I'll choose a new nick later-Certified Dangerous Radical at September 12, 2024 05:45 PM (89Sog)

270 265 = should be "if SHE's losing in Virginia, she's already lost North Carolina."

Posted by: Shenanigans at September 12, 2024 05:46 PM (pZ0Mr)

271 I hunger.

Posted by: The Barrel at September 12, 2024 05:46 PM (Wnv9h)

272 My sock did it. I blame the sock.

Thanks for the cleanup.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at September 12, 2024 05:46 PM (hCzfy)

273 Eat less Kittens, Vote Republican!

Posted by: ALH at September 12, 2024 05:46 PM (xJEPL)

274 @219: "Why are we constantly anchored to the f*cking MSM for these debates? We just concede to it like it's some holy law."

Trump agreed to traditional MSM moderators 'cause deep down he still believes he can beat them at their own game. Being a good fighter doesn't mean squat when you keep picking the wrong fights.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 12, 2024 05:46 PM (KitM9)

275 Nate Silver is a pimp.

Posted by: DU Commenters, this week at September 12, 2024 05:46 PM (a3Q+t)

276 alright who did it

Posted by: Don Black at September 12, 2024 05:44 PM (/7KEl)
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When we find them, we should probably forgive them, knowing that they didn't mean no harm.

Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 05:46 PM (krQz2)

277 I think Trump made the right call. I hope he sticks to it.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at September 12, 2024 05:46 PM (paSBy)

278 "Every single Trump supporter I know was despondent after that debate."

I didn't watch it except for some clips and his closing statement. I also watched the "Legal Insurrection" analysis of her condescending facial expressions and I wasn't despondent. Just annoyed at the (A)solutely (B)iased (C)overage

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2024 05:46 PM (dTTBf)

279 Alec Baldwin's best work was in Team America: World Police.

Ditto for Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, et al.

Posted by: davidt at September 12, 2024 05:46 PM (i0F8b)

280 Joy Reid and her cohosts spent time yesterday talking about how Trump's supporters are "just as despicable" as he is

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Aw shucks, ma'am, weren't nothin'.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 12, 2024 05:47 PM (L/fGl)

281 Joe has the decrepit card played for him and Kamala her DEI immunity. All those opposed? Thats what I thought.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at September 12, 2024 05:47 PM (QSrLX)

282 I did not watch the debate, or the first debate either, so I managed to avoid the huge mood swings… personal health care measure…

Posted by: tubal at September 12, 2024 05:48 PM (PCK5/)

283 I wonder if Kamala has pissed off any of her campaign staff yet. And is she meekly taking orders from some Super Genius campaign experts ... or if she is still lazy and blaming others for any missteps.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 12, 2024 05:48 PM (Cus5s)

284 The barrel will have its way

Posted by: Don Black at September 12, 2024 05:48 PM (/7KEl)

285 Alec Baldwin's best work was in Team America: World Police.

Ditto for Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, et al.
Posted by: davidt at September 12, 2024 05:46 PM (i0F8b)
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When he acted like that guy who tried to convince you that the gun went off without pulling the trigger.

That was a daring performance!

Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 05:48 PM (krQz2)

286 Megyn made her peace with Trump and did a really good podcast interview with PDT.

https://tinyurl.com/3y45t9jj
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 05:25
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Thank you for sharing that, Blake. Hadn't seen that interview.

Posted by: olddog in mo at September 12, 2024 05:49 PM (hoCmQ)

287 264 >>>If Alec Baldwin ever deserved an Oscar, it would have been for his 7-minute cameo in GGGR.

the scene was added only in the movie. (Not in the play.)

I guess Mamet wanted, or the studio demanded, a scene that would escalate the stakes higher.

Posted by: ace at September 12, 2024 05:45 PM (KRtlO)

++++

Did not know this. It was an epic scene and added a lot of depth to the story-line.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 12, 2024 05:49 PM (UprOq)

288 Will Philly have enough fake votes to overcome the massive Trump support in the rest of the State?

Posted by: no one of any consequence at September 12, 2024 05:49 PM (+H2BX)

289 Another reason why Trump is coming out of the debate with momentum:
93% of the coverage of Trump is negative.
And not clips of what Trump said with the cast then all reacting in horror at how awful what he said was.

But, the host says what they claim Trump said--strictly avoiding any audio or video of Trump, especially not in context--and that is what they attack--their characterization of what he said.

So, seeing the actual Trump. Even the muted, restrained Trump, the Trump that we all though failed?
That's a 93% improvement on what they usually see.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 12, 2024 05:49 PM (M5STE)

290 The guy was debating 3 people at the same time and they were often lying and his opponent had the questions in advance and her were all softballs and not a single fact check.

He should have prepared! How? What questions didn't he answer? Even when he gave a strong answer the moderators "fact checked" him.

He did fine. Harris was her usual lying, air headed self.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:41 PM (LkLld)

The sight of one dude fighting against three should be decisive enough to turn a lot of minds away from the current incumbent, which Harris is.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:49 PM (n7h9X)

291 Anybody know what's the X axis or X scale on the "big picture" graph? I assume it's some measure of time. Days, weeks, months?

Posted by: Blame It On gp's Juice at September 12, 2024 05:49 PM (7yY69)

292 254 TJM is the warmest, nicest most brilliant co-blogger in the world. You couldn't find a better movie reviewer and all-around clever personality.
Posted by: washrivergal at September 12, 2024 05:43 PM (UprOq)

I don't get it.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 12, 2024 05:49 PM (IZ9YR)

293 When I left Cuyahoga Falls, I'd gone to a private h.s. in Akron's east side for three years, and engineering school for three morre on Cleveland's east side. I knew NE OH really well. It seemed a paradise, appearance-wise, compared to the Pittsburgh area our dad got transferred to.

Today, Pittsburgh looks great and those Ohio places look like shitholes.

Posted by: M. Gaga at September 12, 2024 05:49 PM (nWmNS)

294 >Joy Reid and her cohosts spent time yesterday talking about how Trump's supporters are "just as despicable" as he is
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I hope none of them gets hit by a bus after leaving the studio

Posted by: Don Black at September 12, 2024 05:50 PM (/7KEl)

295 I can proudly state that I have never watched The View. Their reviews are always horrible.

Posted by: ALH at September 12, 2024 05:50 PM (xJEPL)

296 I don't get it.
Posted by: Darrell Harris

I laughed. Thx.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2024 05:50 PM (dTTBf)

297 Thank you for sharing that, Blake. Hadn't seen that interview.
Posted by: olddog in mo at September 12, 2024 05:49 PM (hoCmQ)
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You're welcome.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 05:51 PM (tT6L1)

298 Ditto for Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon,

They were great in that film that they thought was going to turn people off about the death penalty but had the opposite effect.

That guy would not have repented if he did not have to face his rapidly approaching death.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at September 12, 2024 05:51 PM (+H2BX)

299 Joy Reid and her cohosts spent time yesterday talking about how Trump's supporters are "just as despicable" as he is

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Aw shucks, ma'am, weren't nothin'.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 12, 2024 05:47 PM (L/fGl)

Just proving the Adage of Trump saying "The hate me because I am working for you...and kittens and ducks"

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:51 PM (n7h9X)

300 288 Will Philly have enough fake votes to overcome the massive Trump support in the rest of the State?
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Did they get all the PA gun owners registered to vote yet?

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at September 12, 2024 05:51 PM (qUkBO)

301 I hope none of them gets hit by a bus after leaving the studio
Posted by: Don Black at September 12, 2024 05:50 PM (/7KEl)

That would be a shame.

Posted by: ALH at September 12, 2024 05:51 PM (xJEPL)

302 Nate Silver is a pimp.

Posted by: DU Commenters, this week at September 12, 2024 05:46 PM

He may be a pimp but he was the first pollster in 2016 that said.....wait a minute it is looking like Trump may actually pull off a win. And he got $hit on by the left for saying that.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 12, 2024 05:52 PM (QNSds)

303
Today, Pittsburgh looks great and those Ohio places look like shitholes.

Posted by: M. Gaga at September 12, 2024 05:49 PM (nWmNS)

Entering Pittsburgh through the Fort Pitt tunnel - Wow!

Posted by: Oglebay at September 12, 2024 05:52 PM (7fVdQ)

304 Anybody know what's the X axis or X scale on the "big picture" graph? I assume it's some measure of time. Days, weeks, months?
Posted by: Blame It On gp's Juice at September 12, 2024 05:49 PM (7yY69)
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I only used the X and Y axis to figure the location of images on a screen. I will not go any further, lest I be accused of using math.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 05:52 PM (tT6L1)

305 Just some canned responses by Trump would have been nice. Everyone could see the topics a mile away, but Trump just threw word salad at almost all of them.

I dont think debates matter much, but Trump is no debater. It's why he wouldnt debate in the GOP primary.

We just have to hope there's a shy Trump voter in the polling and that the swing voters dont want 4 more years of hell.

Posted by: Lacra at September 12, 2024 05:52 PM (4pwAx)

306 I would not trust Megyn Kelly a second time, no matter how much she has done to make up with Trump.

Posted by: Sam at September 12, 2024 05:52 PM (7jMef)

307 "I wonder if Kamala has pissed off any of her campaign staff yet."

Since she seems to have done this both as a prosecutor and in the Senate, I'd say it's highly likely.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2024 05:52 PM (dTTBf)

308 https://tinyurl.com/2uee7un6

*goes to X
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2024 05:42 PM (Q4IgG)

Not sure what is going on there, but I want more of it.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at September 12, 2024 05:52 PM (ufFY8)

309 Republicans in Israel Chair is telling every Jew to vote for Trump.

When the Democrats lose Alan Dershowitz, who has been a Dem since Adlai Stevenson, they have lost most Jewish support.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at September 12, 2024 05:53 PM (Da7Vv)

310 Let Vance and some of the wonderful surrogates Trump has take the lead for a bit, leave Trump to his AZ rallies and CA fundraising. He's a man of the people.

Those "Harris devotees" have tons of baggage, including Liz Cheney - a politician without any state loyalty who once denied her gay sister and seems to have encouraged 'inaccurate testimony' from at least one very lowly Trump White House funky.

BTW, I've been scoping the "old ladies exercise & art classes." Trump CAN win those who aren't silver spoon babies and who've worked their whole lives; widows and widowers, those caring for loved ones with special needs, etc.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at September 12, 2024 05:53 PM (NFX2v)

311 Nate Silver is a pimp.
Posted by: DU Commenters, this week at September 12, 2024 05:46 PM (a3Q+t)

pimps provide a service.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:53 PM (n7h9X)

312 Now I got the Lead Paint Police after me. Fuck!

Don't EVER be a landlord. Just don't do it.

Posted by: Blame It On gp's Juice at September 12, 2024 05:53 PM (7yY69)

313 After reading various reactions and opinions about the debate I realise that my reaction while watching it was based purely on what was said and not how it was said.

I'm glad that so many other people picked up on Kamala's body language and that it revealed her real attitude to the job she wanted and the voters who could prevent her from getting it. She was not persuasive but off-putting which seems to be reflected in post-debate polls.

Posted by: Decaf at September 12, 2024 05:54 PM (unUNN)

314 306 I would not trust Megyn Kelly a second time, no matter how much she has done to make up with Trump.
Posted by: Sam at September 12, 2024 05:52 PM (7jMef)

She cusses like a sailor.

Posted by: ALH at September 12, 2024 05:54 PM (xJEPL)

315 We just have to hope there's a shy Trump voter in the polling and that the swing voters dont want 4 more years of hell.
Posted by: Lacra at September 12, 2024 05:52 PM (4pwAx)

It won't be just 4 more years. It will be forever.

Posted by: InZona at September 12, 2024 05:54 PM (zzyH0)

316 The power to ban includes the power to unban.

Posted by: fd at September 12, 2024 05:54 PM (vFG9F)

317 #2

He's in AZ today for a rally, CA tomorrow for fundraising.

Now the press is on him about Laura Loomer, "far-right provocateur" who promoted the "false rumor about Haitians eating pets," showing up a little outside of a small circle of people he met with outside Engine Company 4 Ladder Company 15 in New York City yesterday.

Harris is in NC crowing, “I believe we owe to the voters to have another debate, because this election and what is at stake could not be more important.” Also, Bush’s attorney general endorses Harris and denounces Trump’s role in January 6, joining "other high-profile Republicans voting for Democrat."

So now those A-homes have Bush’s attorney general endorsing Harris, calling Trump ‘most serious threat to law.’
Yeah, Alberto Gonzales denounced Trump’s role in January 6 and joins other high-profile Republicans voting for the Democrat.

Looky: Report of Investigation Regarding Allegations of Mishandling of Classified Documents by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales

Special Report, September 2008, Office of the Inspector General, Report of Investigation Regarding Allegations of Mishandling of Classified Documents by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at September 12, 2024 05:54 PM (NFX2v)

318 I said before the debase that the mutilators were going to let Kamala lie. And they did.

I didn't know they were going to live "fact-check" Trump on things they thought there were other sides to.

"Hey the mayor who has a principle stake being elected every 4 years to make his town seem like he's running it properly says that bad things are not happening!"

Well, it's a fact that he said it. But him saying it doesn't make it much a fact with which to fact-check.

Also, at no point did I hear Trump claim that it is legal to terminate a pregnancy in some states, so the "fact-check" was kind of a strawman. There are states that won't prosecute doctors for making those kind of decisions--and that's the point.

And there's that VP candidate governor who vetoed a Born Alive rights act.

Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 05:54 PM (krQz2)

319
The best I can hope for is Pennsylvania being called for Trump at 3:00 am, same as 2016. So much fun to watch Hillary supporters getting the check for drinks and being shown out of her victory rally.

Josh Shapiro 2018! Clean election candidate, proved that Pennsylvania voters can trust the results, even if Harris lost, and paved the way for him...

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 12, 2024 05:55 PM (RKVpM)

320 161 49 Want the room to get a bit dusty? Little boy gets a birthday card (leads to X)

https://tinyurl.com/yc2ya667

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (MpVUb)

Wow, it's misty here

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 12, 2024 05:55 PM (NtVYv)

321 https://tinyurl.com/2uee7un6

*goes to X
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2024 05:42 PM (Q4IgG)

Not sure what is going on there, but I want more of it.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at September 12, 2024 05:52 PM (ufFY

thatgoodnewsgirl on youtube is pretty good for that.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 05:57 PM (n7h9X)

322 Pittsburgh? the one here in PA?

um

there are nice places thereabouts tho! Bellefonte? I dunno

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 12, 2024 05:57 PM (s3qiR)

323 We all know TJM is a model of decorum, courtesy and intelligence, I'm sure the banhammer will be wielded in a just and decisive man

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 12, 2024 05:57 PM (tT6L1)

324 Ah, Gonzalez. Had forgotten him. One data point, but an arrogant unimpressive empty suit. He showed up in a place far away and just had to big-foot his way on some stupid matter. Very unimpressive.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2024 05:57 PM (GcNJ2)

325 See what I mean? During the debate Trump said crime was way up. Muir "fact checked" Trump and said he was wrong.

@guypbenson
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1h
According to the DOJ’s National Crime Victimization Survey, violent crime was up 37% last year (latest data) over 2020 levels…

Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:57 PM (LkLld)

326 I did not watch the debate, or the first debate either, so I managed to avoid the huge mood swings… personal health care measure…
Posted by: tubal at September 12, 2024 05:48
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For healthcare, debates do not watch.

/Yoda

Posted by: olddog in mo at September 12, 2024 05:57 PM (hoCmQ)

327 See if Nicole Shanahan would go to Maui with Tulsi.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:57 PM (MpVUb)

328 https://tinyurl.com/yc2ya667

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (MpVUb)

Wow, it's misty here
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 12, 2024 05:55 PM (NtVYv)

Can you imagine what the baby-killers Kamala and Walz would have sent? If they cared?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 12, 2024 05:57 PM (ufFY8)

329 "I wonder if Kamala has pissed off any of her campaign staff yet."
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I don't think it matters. This is critical to DC. There is no time for luxury of "I can't work with her" or "She makes me feel unappreciated" type of things.

Plus she is very handled right now.

Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 05:58 PM (krQz2)

330 I don't normally post videos like that but his reaction was so sweet. Poor little guy has been through hell.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:58 PM (MpVUb)

331 Buck up: Trump declined national security briefings because of the Comey note/attorney client stunt. Go, Mr. President. Old item I know, but the retirement exit cascade is in progress.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at September 12, 2024 05:59 PM (QSrLX)

332 According to the DOJ’s National Crime Victimization Survey, violent crime was up 37% last year (latest data) over 2020 levels…
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:57 PM (LkLld)
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That's not what the FBI says, liar!

Posted by: ABC Mutilators at September 12, 2024 05:59 PM (krQz2)

333 Harris is in NC crowing, “I believe we owe to the voters to have another debate, because this election and what is at stake could not be more important.”

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at September 12, 2024 05:54 PM (NFX2v)

I believe she owes the voters a 60 minute interview by a non-Lapdog Media Lifer and a 90-minute press conference, every week for the next seven weeks.

Posted by: Gref at September 12, 2024 05:59 PM (aBgBM)

334 Josh Shapiro 2018! Clean election candidate, proved that Pennsylvania voters can trust the results, even if Harris lost, and paved the way for him...
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 12, 2024 05:55 PM (RKVpM)

******

I really hope we’re not at the point where we are pinning our hopes on a Democrat governor not cheating..

Posted by: Lurker at September 12, 2024 05:59 PM (FC8SQ)

335 Harris did not have to appear stupid. With the help of ABC, a ton of lies, and the moderators, she succeeded.
It did not move the needle in her favor.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 12, 2024 05:59 PM (W/lyH)

336 330 I don't normally post videos like that but his reaction was so sweet. Poor little guy has been through hell.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:58 PM (MpVUb)

+++++

The kid is so lovable

Posted by: Oglebay at September 12, 2024 05:59 PM (7fVdQ)

337 "She cusses like a sailor."

Oh, like Julie Andrews.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at September 12, 2024 06:00 PM (+H2BX)

338 320 161 49 Want the room to get a bit dusty? Little boy gets a birthday card (leads to X)

https://tinyurl.com/yc2ya667

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (MpVUb)

Wow, it's misty here
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 12, 2024 05:55 PM (NtVYv)

I didn't think I would cry.

I cried.

Posted by: Just Lily at September 12, 2024 06:00 PM (RLLZj)

339 Kamala is "handled." Like Hannibal Lector. Bound up on a pallet jack.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at September 12, 2024 06:00 PM (QSrLX)

340 "I wonder if Kamala has pissed off any of her campaign staff yet."
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I don't think it matters. This is critical to DC. There is no time for luxury of "I can't work with her" or "She makes me feel unappreciated" type of things.

Plus she is very handled right now.
Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 05:58 PM (krQz2)

her old staff were handlers too, selected by the Biden inner team.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 06:01 PM (n7h9X)

341 If the bimbo is publicly calling for another debate, don't think there can be much doubt. Their numbers are terrible, aren't improving, and they need every event, esp. 1-on-1, they can arrange.

The party that has pioneered hiding their candidate and literally having no campaign does not beg for more conventional events, um, out of principle.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 12, 2024 06:01 PM (GcNJ2)

342 I think RFK and Tulsi are going to be campaigning for him starting this week? or maybe next week?

Posted by: IC - #FJB at September 12, 2024 06:01 PM (YiKO5)

343 Harris did not have to appear stupid. With the help of ABC, a ton of lies, and the moderators, she succeeded.
It did not move the needle in her favor.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 12, 2024 05:59 PM (W/lyH)
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Yup. Sexism, straight up.

Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 06:01 PM (krQz2)

344 Posted by: Gref at September 12, 2024 05:59 PM (aBgBM)

I tend to think that if she thought she had done that well despite the help from the moderators. she'd not want another debate.

And I hope the bused in and paid attendants are enjoying her campaign appearance.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2024 06:02 PM (dTTBf)

345 According to a Reuters/Ipsos survey conducted two-day poll, Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee, has the support of 47% of registered voters nationwide. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, lands the backing of 42% of registered voters questioned.

https://tinyurl.com/2ecpvtk9

I don’t think it’s time to start sucking each others dicks
Posted by: Truthbomb at September 12, 2024 06:01 PM (QYCIF)

Popular vote means nothing, as does "registered voters" polls. You select that for boosting dems that dont vote.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 06:02 PM (n7h9X)

346 Ah , another debate post and the trolls are on the march.

Posted by: jen the original at September 12, 2024 06:02 PM (BJk6q)

347 I don’t think it’s time to start sucking each others dicks

Posted by: Truthbomb at September 12, 2024 06:01 PM (QYCIF)
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I don't think there's ever a time for that.

Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 06:02 PM (krQz2)

348 Why should anybody "debate" a pathological liar?

Its just 90 minutes of the Left screaming smears, lies and hate.

Furthermore, the "moderators" don't even have the honesty to properly moderate.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at September 12, 2024 06:03 PM (rHxhM)

349 According to a Reuters/Ipsos survey conducted two-day poll, Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee, has the support of 47% of registered voters nationwide. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, lands the backing of 42% of registered voters questioned.

https://tinyurl.com/2ecpvtk9

I don’t think it’s time to start sucking each others dicks

Posted by: Truthbomb at September 12, 2024 06:01 PM

Just a heads up, but if you are polling registered voters instead of likely voters less than 60 days before an election you are trying to hide something. Just sayin.....

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 12, 2024 06:03 PM (QNSds)

350 I think RFK and Tulsi are going to be campaigning for him starting this week? or maybe next week?
Posted by: IC - #FJB at September 12, 2024 06:01 PM (YiKO5)

I heard Tulsi was in on debate prep.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 06:03 PM (n7h9X)

351 Trump speaking in AZ now on RSBN

Posted by: kallisto at September 12, 2024 06:03 PM (LXKmk)

352 Harris looks like an absolute idiot at her rally today. Laughing it up. She can hardly finish a sentence for the hysterical laughter. All she can talk about is Trump. Her only shtick is to attack Trump while laughing it up. Is this who they want for CIC? Remember all the talk of Bush lacking gravitas so he had to pick Cheney? Harris lacks gravitas and picked a gay retard for VP.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 12, 2024 06:03 PM (t/2Uw)

353 I don't think it matters. This is critical to DC. There is no time for luxury of "I can't work with her" or "She makes me feel unappreciated" type of things.

Plus she is very handled right now.
Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 05:58 PM (krQz2)
***

I suspect the obama puppet masters put her into a room and had a very serious discussion of the facts of life.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 12, 2024 06:03 PM (W/lyH)

354
I really hope we’re not at the point where we are pinning our hopes on a Democrat governor not cheating..

Posted by: Lurker at September 12, 2024 05:59 PM

Valid point... but in his own self interest? He helps Harris over the ten foot tall barrier of Pennsylvania while she barely breaks the five foot tall mark?

Which knocks him out of '28 contention, and probably forever?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 12, 2024 06:04 PM (RKVpM)

355 A new national poll conducted entirely after Tuesday's debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Trump indicates Harris leading Trump by five points.

I think they throw out numbers and then ask people, "does that seem reasonable? Do you believe us?"

Posted by: t-bird at September 12, 2024 06:04 PM (ls1gy)

356 A lot of the internal polls show Trump down in NC and Georgia. Let that sink in. It’s why Kamala is there. They feel it’s winnable.
Posted by: Truthbomb at September 12, 2024 06:03 PM (QYCIF)

That why she was in New Hampshire before that?

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 06:04 PM (n7h9X)

357 I think that the results of the Trump - Harris debate were a bit like the Nixon - JFK debate: people that listened on the radio thought Nixon won, but people that watch it on television thought Kennedy won.

Harris's body language was terrible: smirking, inappropriate laughing, and generally coming across as an insufferable b!tch. Trump got her to back Israel, and deny going after guns: those are NOT the positions of the Democrat base.

His "Haitian migrants are eating dogs and cats" got people to investigate what's really going on in Springfield, OH. I saw a Youtube recording where a citizen journalist went to Springfield: it's bad, the local citizens are being displaced, and the Haitians are monopolizing all of the social services.

The Haitians drive like $h!t and have caused at least two fatal crashes. When this guy went to the DMV to ask how Haitians are getting driver's license, the DMV drone replied, "I'm not allowed to tell you." Nothing sketchy about that.

Oh, the citizen journalist asked about Haitians eating cats, too. A resident stated that he was a Haitian in a white van loading up cats.

This story has legs.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 12, 2024 06:04 PM (pJWtt)

358 Posted by: Truthbomb at September 12, 2024 06:01 PM (QYCIF)

Maybe I'm confusing with some other new poster here, but isn't this primarily what you post here-every negative thing on Trump.?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2024 06:04 PM (dTTBf)

359 According to a Reuters/Ipsos survey conducted two-day poll, Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee, has the support of 47% of registered voters nationwide. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, lands the backing of 42% of registered voters questioned.

https://tinyurl.com/2ecpvtk9

I don’t think it’s time to start sucking each others dicks

Posted by: Truthbomb at September 12, 2024 06:01 PM

Just a heads up, but if you are polling registered voters instead of likely voters less than 60 days before an election you are trying to hide something. Just sayin.....

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 12, 2024 06:03 PM

My bad, it is even worse in the article, they polled "adults" first and then registered voters. Way to make a poll show what you want it to show.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 12, 2024 06:04 PM (QNSds)

360 334 Josh Shapiro 2018! Clean election candidate, proved that Pennsylvania voters can trust the results, even if Harris lost, and paved the way for him...
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 12, 2024 05:55 PM (RKVpM)

******

I really hope we’re not at the point where we are pinning our hopes on a Democrat governor not cheating..
Posted by: Lurker at September 12, 2024 05:59 PM (FC8SQ)

We shouldn't. That said, if Shapiro wants to have a shot at POTUS in 2028, he'll keep his thumb off the scale. Enlightened self-interest.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 12, 2024 06:04 PM (IZ9YR)

361 .
NOOD

Quick Hits (Grey edition)

NOOD

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at September 12, 2024 06:04 PM (O7YUW)

362 Valid point... but in his own self interest? He helps Harris over the ten foot tall barrier of Pennsylvania while she barely breaks the five foot tall mark?

Which knocks him out of '28 contention, and probably forever?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 12, 2024 06:04 PM (RKVpM)

If he doesn't purge the Dem party, zero chance a white male Jew will get anywhere near a nomination. Now, if the party crashes and burns, who knows?

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 06:05 PM (n7h9X)

363 "the left mobilizes around a big leftist idea, then gets their people to the polls when the other party is napping."

Kind of like 2000 when the press called Florida for Gore despite the panhandle being an hour earlier and still voting. The rube Goppers said, "well, if the press called it for Gore, I guess I'll believe it and go home." If they had had the fortitude to say "FU, we ain't done", that disaster would not have happened.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 12, 2024 06:06 PM (KAi1n)

364 @359

oops .... "saw a Haitian in a white van loading up cats."

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 12, 2024 06:06 PM (pJWtt)

365 Posted by: Truthbomb at September 12, 2024 06:03 PM (QYCIF)

Could you do a little variety here-maybe some of the "We're all going to die" or "The Republic is over"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2024 06:06 PM (dTTBf)

366 Oh, the citizen journalist asked about Haitians eating cats, too. A resident stated that he was a Haitian in a white van loading up cats.

This story has legs.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 12, 2024 06:04 PM (pJWtt)

Or paws.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 12, 2024 06:06 PM (IZ9YR)

367 344 Harris did not have to appear stupid. With the help of ABC, a ton of lies, and the moderators, she succeeded.
It did not move the needle in her favor.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 12, 2024 05:59 PM (W/lyH)

Harris needs the assistance of a man in order to get anywhere in her career. She doesn't have what it takes to do an interview or debate without a man protecting her.

Posted by: ALH at September 12, 2024 06:07 PM (xJEPL)

368 Yeah I don’t know. I never understood the whole likely voter vs registered voters thing. Is one more accurate? I mean demonstrably. That’s a honest question.
Posted by: Truthbomb at September 12, 2024 06:04 PM (QYCIF)

I'm a poll skeptic, but it is absolutely so that if it isn't likely voters it is 100 percent worthless. If it is likely it might have some value. Not a lot, but some.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 06:07 PM (n7h9X)

369 See what I mean? During the debate Trump said crime was way up. Muir "fact checked" Trump and said he was wrong.

@guypbenson
·
1h
According to the DOJ’s National Crime Victimization Survey, violent crime was up 37% last year (latest data) over 2020 levels…
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2024 05:57 PM (LkLld)

******

We know crime is up.
We know the media lie.
We know Trump was telling the truth.

And it doesn’t matter. The LIVs saw Trump fact-checked by the FBI’s b.s. statistics. If they’ll take anything away, that will be it.

This wasn’t a campaign rally; preaching to those who know crime is up and who are already voting for Trump. A debate is for the idiots who have no clue what’s going, but only a vague sense things are not right. They don’t know who to blame for their misgivings. The goal for Trump was to get people to blame Kamala, and I think he largely failed at that.

Posted by: Lurker at September 12, 2024 06:08 PM (FC8SQ)

370 351 A lot of the internal polls show Trump down in NC and Georgia. Let that sink in. It’s why Kamala is there. They feel it’s winnable.
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If Trump can win PA, AZ, and NV, he can lose NC or GA. If he loses both, he'll also need to win MI. (WI won't be enough.)

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at September 12, 2024 06:11 PM (qUkBO)

371

Elections Betting Odds website (run by Maxim Lott and John Stossel) showed a tiny bump for Harris. It has been roughly 49% to 49% for a good while. After the 3 on 1 debate, Harris is now at 52% and Trump at 47%. That 5% gap is nearly insignificant in the betting markets.
More importantly, the Democrat should be at a stratospheric 75% favorite at this point in the race.
There's a long way to go, but it's very hard to imagine Harris suddenly enjoying a breakthrough in the betting markets.

Based on highly accurate historical trajectories, Trump is effectively in the driver's seat.
Then again, it's always unwise to bet when the game is rigged.

Meanwhile... we're on the cusp of WWIII.
Two days ago Putin publicly declared that if Washington D.C. gives the go ahead for long-range missile strikes out of Ukraine into Russia: the Kremlin will retaliate against US targets.
Putin gave the statement live in front of cameras and gave unusual amount of detail to his statement. He said the US will have made itself "at war" with Russia.

Posted by: Bach in Black at September 12, 2024 06:11 PM (+oqUV)

372 Want the room to get a bit dusty? Little boy gets a birthday card (leads to X)

https://tinyurl.com/yc2ya667

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 12, 2024 05:03 PM (MpVUb)

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I'm not crying, that's just my awesomeness leaking out of my eyes.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2024 06:12 PM (2UnvF)

373 The most important ballots in the upcoming election will be the fraudulent ones. If the Republican machinery is not bringing their own brand of muscled-thug-with-a-lawyer to every single polling station in the battleground states, then they're not really wanting to win this thing.

Posted by: Crusader at September 12, 2024 06:12 PM (U4ek1)

374 This wasn’t a campaign rally; preaching to those who know crime is up and who are already voting for Trump. A debate is for the idiots who have no clue what’s going, but only a vague sense things are not right. They don’t know who to blame for their misgivings. The goal for Trump was to get people to blame Kamala, and I think he largely failed at that.
Posted by: Lurker at September 12, 2024 06:08 PM (FC8SQ)

No, that isn't so. Everyone knows Kamala had no influence in the administration and shirked the one job she was given. That's 2 strikes right there.

He just had to show she didn't have a new, different answer to anything. She stole some planks from him, if so why not just get Trump? She lied about some others that everyone knows will get dropped after election.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 06:13 PM (n7h9X)

375 I see DeWine has fully transitioned into a elderly bag lady.

Posted by: Cheri at September 12, 2024 06:15 PM (oiNtH)

376 Meanwhile... we're on the cusp of WWIII.
Two days ago Putin publicly declared that if Washington D.C. gives the go ahead for long-range missile strikes out of Ukraine into Russia: the Kremlin will retaliate against US targets.
Putin gave the statement live in front of cameras and gave unusual amount of detail to his statement. He said the US will have made itself "at war" with Russia.

Posted by: Bach in Black at September 12, 2024 06:11 PM (+oqUV)

he said the 'at war' line months ago and we have already violated that by allowing / ordering the Kursk invasion.

I don't think Putin will start launching at once, but all these violations are being noted and will not be forgotten.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2024 06:16 PM (n7h9X)

377 Oh, the citizen journalist asked about Haitians eating cats, too. A resident stated that he was a Haitian in a white van loading up cats.

This story has legs.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 12, 2024 06:04 PM (pJWtt)

Or paws.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 12, 2024 06:06 PM (IZ9YR)

The reaction of the Donks to the "Trump saves kittens and ducks" memes says it all. It has left a mark.

Springfield, OH is a gritty town that has punched above its weight in violent crime for a long time. The Haitians have turned it into Hell-on-Earth. I saw a video in which a black guy accused the City Council of getting paid under-the-table; he said "Somebody's getting money from this" because the situation doesn't make any sense otherwise.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 12, 2024 06:17 PM (pJWtt)

378 The Haitians have turned it into Hell-on-Earth. I saw a video in which a black guy accused the City Council of getting paid under-the-table; he said "Somebody's getting money from this" because the situation doesn't make any sense otherwise.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop

I've read that Catholic Charities is one of the orgs making money. Charity my ass. Sorry if that offends any Catholics in the horde, this wasn't directed at you or your faith.

Posted by: Cheri at September 12, 2024 06:20 PM (oiNtH)

379

I honestly do not remember Putin saying if some such specific "X" transpires then the US will have entered a kinetic war with Russia. I can recall all kinds dire but generalized warnings about the folly of potential escalation and that that is where the West seems to be pushing. But Putin's recent statement is categorically different than those other warnings.

But maybe, you're right, Oldcat. I certainly haven't followed every statement Putin has made.

Posted by: Bach in Black at September 12, 2024 06:21 PM (+oqUV)

380 Go read Andrew Gelman's article about the 2012 polls, called the "Mythical Swing Voter." It examines polling in the 2012 election. Romney's improvement in the polls after the first debate (that he "won") was almost entirely the result of changes in polling samples, not changes in vote intention. I suspect you would see a similar response bias now, since the Democrats have been told that Harris "won" the debate.

Posted by: mikeybates at September 12, 2024 06:21 PM (/4qWm)

381
Oldcat, I got my info from Daniel Davis / Deep Dive "BREAKING NEWS: Putin's Red Line May Be Crossed."
Davis posted it on Youtube about 3 hours ago. You only have to watch the first 7 minutes to get the critical info and _novel_ context.
Maybe take a look.

Posted by: Bach in Black at September 12, 2024 06:25 PM (+oqUV)

382 Trump should call her bluff and say he gave them 2, so he wants one. And he'll even give Kamala a boost by making both moderators be African American (well unlike her seeing she's minimally African and none were from America) then make Tyrus and Lawrence Jones be the moderators.

Besides the moderators, which may have put Trump on tilt, he needs to just not fall for shit. He didn't versus Biden but then got a goaded by Harris. His parole need to just hammer home that his base is locked in, and he needs to appeal to moderates, and the best way of doing that is just showing how you'll fix her mistakes. I know it's tough when she's doing nothing but lying, but that's all she can do.

Posted by: Rbastid at September 12, 2024 06:25 PM (P7PPV)

383 Winning VA back would be a delight. It'd be called earlier than Pennsylvania, and would be an early nail in the coffin for her.
Posted by: Shenanigans at September 12, 2024 05:45 PM (pZ0Mr)

Shades of 2016, where MI and WI were unexpectedly turned.

Of course, that assumes that the military doesn't launch a major cyberattack against the election fraud infrastructure (Dominion, China, etc) and we actually get a legitimate count, and therefore a landslide in all kinds of states we were gaslighted into thinking were "blue". You don't really think they couldn't have stopped it last time, did you?

Posted by: MrExcitement at September 12, 2024 06:28 PM (hOOi9)

384 I think Harris is planning on losing PA, which is why she is bussing in supporters to North Carolina.

Posted by: wferrin at September 12, 2024 06:43 PM (EHciF)

385 KAMALA SHOULD FOCUS ON WHAT SHE SHOULD HAVE DONE DURING THE LAST ALMOST FOUR YEAR PERIOD. THERE WILL BE NO THIRD DEBATE!"

He's calling her either a liar or a failure. Or both!)

It's a meme that will be extremely difficult for Que-mala to defend against.

Posted by: Here Kitty...yum at September 12, 2024 06:56 PM (PmiZd)

386 I don’t think it’s time to start sucking each others dicks

Posted by: Truthbomb at September 12, 2024 06:01 PM (QYCIF)
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I don't think there's ever a time for that.
Posted by: Axeman at September 12, 2024 06:02 PM (krQz2)

Uhhh....

Posted by: Pete Buttcrack at September 12, 2024 07:06 PM (iODuv)

387 Somebody was posting multiple times here on debate night that there would be no more debates unless Kamala fell far behind in the polls. Of course I was written off as a concern troll. But it was true and is still true. Yes, Trump is the one who is "backing out", but Kamala was never going to debate again. She would just continue to insist on ever greater concessions (wired with earpiece, Rachel Maddow moderates on MSNBC, etc) until Trump refused and then they could blame him for backing out. She's not debating again. UNLESS she falls far behind. And then, Trump calls the shots. Debate on Fox, no other gimmicks. I don't think that happens either, but that's why I pointed out there will not be another debate.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 12, 2024 07:17 PM (IORSH)

388 Independents were not swayed to kumala in this debate and those are the needed votes.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2024 07:18 PM (I1GXe)

389 I have the last word and that is that.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 12, 2024 07:23 PM (I1GXe)

390 Rightful President Trump won the debate when Obama and Biden were too chickenshit to show up and shoot him in the head again.

It's far beyond "issues" now.

This is the Uniparty Gestapo versus the People. Life versus Death. Good versus Evil.

And we know Who wins those fights.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 12, 2024 09:23 PM (G4bTg)

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