Supreme Court Refuses to Stay a Lower Court's Blocking of Its Lawless, Unconstitutional Seizing of Taxpayer Funds to Pay the Student Loans of Democrat Deadbeats

The Biden-Harris Administration (I'm trying to tether Harris to the Administration in which she serves as VP! Aaah! Republican disinformation!) was previously rebuffed on this unconstitutional assertion of Executive Robbery. Biden-Harris asked them to pretty please reconsider and let them seize funds without Congressional authorization.

The Supreme Court, quoting Dr. Evil, said, "How about frickin' noo?"

CNN has the Sad! news.

The Supreme Court declined on Wednesday to lift a sweeping block on President Joe Biden's student loan repayment plan that aims to slash monthly payments and quicken the path to loan forgiveness.
The high court turned down a request from the Biden administration to put the plan back in play after lower courts blocked it this summer in a legal challenge to the plan brought by GOP-led states.
There were no noted dissents in the brief order.
Wednesday's order has no immediate impact on the 8 million borrowers currently enrolled in the plan, known as SAVE (Saving on a Valuable Education), which was implemented nearly a year ago. In response to the deepening legal fight over the plan, the Department of Education last month placed the borrowers in an interest-free forbearance during which they are not required to make monthly student loan payments.
The White House, Department of Justice and Department of Education did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The latest information for borrowers can be found on the agency's website.
In an unusual line in a brief order Wednesday, the court said that it "expects" that the 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals, which is considering the challenge to the plan, "will render its decision with appropriate dispatch" -- signaling that it wants the legal proceedings to play out in the lower court before it steps in on its emergency docket.
The fate of the plan, which the Congressional Budget Office estimates would cost $276 billion, remains uncertain as courts consider two legal challenges. Last month, Alaska, South Carolina and Texas asked the high court to maintain a partial block on the program while the states' larger legal challenge to it unfolds. In a separate order Wednesday, the court also declined that request.
Student loan forgiveness was a key component of Biden's 2020 presidential campaign, a concession to progressives who supported more liberal candidates in the Democratic primary. But the White House has repeatedly been stymied, including with an important ruling last year in which the court's 6-3 conservative majority held that Biden had exceeded his authority by attempting to forgive hundreds of billions of student debt.

A federal court on Tuesday blocked the Biden-Harris Administration's lawless plan to issue green cards to illegals until he can sort out this newest power-grab.

A federal judge blocked the Biden administration's "parole in place" program, which would have offered green cards to illegal immigrant spouses of U.S. citizens.
Key Details:
U.S. District Judge J. Campbell Barker issued a stay on the program, halting it for at least two weeks.
The program faced a lawsuit from 16 Republican-led states, spearheaded by Texas.
The program aimed to allow illegal immigrant spouses to remain in the U.S. and apply for green cards without leaving the country.

A federal judge in Texas has temporarily blocked the Biden administration's "parole in place" program, which was designed to provide a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrant spouses of U.S. citizens. U.S. District Judge J. Campbell Barker issued the administrative stay on Monday, pausing the program for a minimum of two weeks while he considers the legal challenge brought by a coalition of 16 Republican-led states.
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Judge Barker's decision to halt the program reflects the significance of the legal claims raised by the conservative states. "The claims are substantial and warrant closer consideration than the court has been able to afford to date," Barker stated, as reported by the Associated Press.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 05:32 PM

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1 1!

Posted by: Gref at August 28, 2024 05:33 PM (aBgBM)

2 In the university you didn't have to produce anything!

Posted by: Ray Stantz at August 28, 2024 05:33 PM (ZU9rH)

3 I nooded

Posted by: Gref at August 28, 2024 05:33 PM (aBgBM)

4 Who'd a thunk?

Posted by: That Guy who says "Who'd a thunk?" at August 28, 2024 05:34 PM (a3Q+t)

5 This is a non-win situation for the right. Had it gone through...they would campaign on it with young voters.

As it did not go through...it will now be campaigned in such a way to state that the Republican packed court and the Republicans want you to remain in debt. The will simultaneously use it to suggest that the SC needs to be bigger to avoid this "unfairness" and "political decision making"...and we're just the people to do it.

Posted by: Orson at August 28, 2024 05:35 PM (dIske)

6 Can you say lame duck.

I knew you could.

Posted by: undergroundjl at August 28, 2024 05:35 PM (zU+iL)

7 that's ..a lot of legalese !

Posted by: runner at August 28, 2024 05:36 PM (V13WU)

8 As it did not go through...it will now be campaigned in such a way to state that the Republican packed court and the Republicans want you to remain in debt. The will simultaneously use it to suggest that the SC needs to be bigger to avoid this "unfairness" and "political decision making"...and we're just the people to do it.
Posted by: Orson at August 28, 2024 05:35 PM (dIske)

There was no dissent

Posted by: It's me donna at August 28, 2024 05:37 PM (IyPmt)

9 The mills of courts grind slowly, but they do so irrelevantly.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at August 28, 2024 05:37 PM (wBaIH)

10 Dr Jill : Joe the Supreme Court blocked your illegal student loan buyout
Joe: I shit myself again
Dr. Jill : sigh

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2024 05:37 PM (ByB3C)

11 7 that's ..a lot of legalese !
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2024 05:36 PM (V13WU)

I agree, and I get lost after about the third negation (or whatever the legal term is when you make something opposite).

Posted by: Emmie at August 28, 2024 05:38 PM (Sf2cq)

12 This is a non-win situation for the right.

Wut?

If the right can't convince the majority of the electorate, which does not have college debt that would be forgiven by this program, that getting stuck with other people's loans is bad policy, then the right deserves to lose.

Posted by: For Pete's Sake at August 28, 2024 05:38 PM (x5Jan)

13 The states involved in the lawsuit include Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, North Dakota, Ohio, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, and Wyoming.

Sarah Sanders, I like your style!

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 28, 2024 05:39 PM (pohLc)

14 Another way to describe the plan is, HARRIS and Biden proposed stealing credit cards from poor people so they could buy stuff for their rich friends.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 28, 2024 05:39 PM (pbPTf)

15 What was Kammie's position on cancelling college student loans in 2019 and what is it this microsecond?

50 quatloos that in 2019 she was in the Bernie and Lieawatha cancel all college student loans camp. At this micro-second? I dunno. What's Trump's position?

Posted by: Gref at August 28, 2024 05:39 PM (aBgBM)

16 The Biden-Harris Administration (I'm trying to tether Harris to the Administration in which she serves as VP! Aaah! Republican disinformation!)
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I understand, but it strikes me as inaccurate. "Harris-Biden" probably makes more sense in reality...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!0 at August 28, 2024 05:40 PM (HnUIn)

17 It's a TAX on the taxpayers! Or it attacks the taxpayers, same difference.

Posted by: John Roberts at August 28, 2024 05:40 PM (QAK8m)

18 >> Wednesday's order has no immediate impact on the 8 million borrowers currently enrolled in the plan
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The modern administrative state in action. Sure, one branch of government says “no free lunch.” The more powerful managerial deep state notices nothing, and will do as it wants.

Posted by: electronic means at August 28, 2024 05:40 PM (mjzrG)

19 The Supreme Court declined on Wednesday to lift a sweeping block on President Joe Biden's student loan repayment plan that aims to slash monthly payments and quicken the path to loan forgiveness.
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Odds that the Administration just ignores it again?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 05:41 PM (HnUIn)

20 Doesn't matter. Unless we can get Trump across the finish line in November, we're fucked and the USA is dunzo.

Posted by: Peaches at August 28, 2024 05:41 PM (14URa)

21 A federal judge in Texas has temporarily blocked the Biden administration's "parole in place" program, which was designed to provide a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrant spouses of U.S. citizens. U.S. District Judge J. Campbell Barker issued the administrative stay on Monday, pausing the program for a minimum of two weeks while he considers the legal challenge brought by a coalition of 16 Republican-led states.
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Pause the program under the rear axle of a heavy truck.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 05:41 PM (HnUIn)

22 after about the third negation

THAT'S RACIST

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 28, 2024 05:42 PM (Kk+82)

23
It's almost as if the leftists expect taxpayers to happily bend over and pay the tuition of others.

'Rob Peter to pay Paul', has reached proportions that even Peter is now noticing.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 28, 2024 05:43 PM (RKVpM)

24 I never, ever want to see the word "forgiveness" being used in this context.

This is not "loan forgiveness." This is the unilateral transfer of a liability from the borrower to the taxpayer, without the taxpayer's consent or input.

A *lender* can forgive a loan. I can lend my buddy $20 and then tell him "don't worry about it." I lose the money, but I am willing to do so. I am a direct participant in the deal.

The government cannot. It can only transfer the liability to an unwilling participant.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 05:43 PM (HnUIn)

25 I agree, and I get lost after about the third negation (or whatever the legal term is when you make something opposite).
Posted by: Emmie at August 28, 2024 05:38 PM (Sf2cq)

Oppositum !

Posted by: runner at August 28, 2024 05:43 PM (V13WU)

26 Why is CNN "tethering" Harris to Biden?

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, Politico Fact-Checker at August 28, 2024 05:44 PM (PiwSw)

27 Every time they run one of these designed-to-fail student loan things up the flagpole to get shot down, the feds pause loan payments and - *without asking* - put everyone's accounts into a forbearance, which is normally used as an excuse to capitalize interest post-forbearance with some dodgy rule interpretations. Some servicers got hammered so hard for that scam combined with slow-walking paperwork that the courts wrote off their entire loan portfolios.

It's a racket. Student lending was nationalized and totally assfucked in 2009. None of this has anything to do with the borrowers or helping them; nobody is getting a good deal out of this except the services laughing all the way to the bank.

They're also fucking all the PSLF borrowers who taught schools in the ghetto for 10 years to get a write-off - rejection rate for them is about 99% last I heard.

Feds are terrible about altering contracts after the fact... and nationalizing shit and then altering those contracts as well. I never agreed to any of this bullshit.

Posted by: somedood at August 28, 2024 05:44 PM (aehES)

28 Obama gonna pay my rent!!!!

Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2024 05:45 PM (qLP0s)

29 You know, the damn government is responsible for the exorbitant cost of fucking college. When I went, living off campus my tuition and books were maybe a grand a semester.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 28, 2024 05:45 PM (pohLc)

30 I've heard great things about people paying their debts with their own flesh.

I'm willing to try that...

Posted by: Stateless at August 28, 2024 05:45 PM (jvJvP)

31 I agree, and I get lost after about the third negation (or whatever the legal term is when you make something opposite).
Posted by: Emmie at August 28, 2024 05:38 PM (Sf2cq)
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When I come to power, this will be forbidden in ballot language.

My mandatory test for ballot language will be C-average students from the 8th grade classes of various junior high schools in the jurisdiction. They are presented with the ballot language and then told to summarize - in writing - the effect if it passes and if it does not. If at least 95% of C-average 8th-grade students cannot articulate what the ballot language actually does, the ballot language is rejected.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 05:45 PM (HnUIn)

32 Well, to let others try it....

I've already given up as much flesh as I'm going to give during circumcision....

Posted by: Stateless at August 28, 2024 05:46 PM (jvJvP)

33 My degree in Revolutionary Gay Black Islamic Slam Poetry is not working out for me... Pay up

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at August 28, 2024 05:46 PM (1FWWQ)

34 Feds are terrible about altering contracts after the fact... and nationalizing shit and then altering those contracts as well. I never agreed to any of this bullshit.
Posted by: somedood at August 28, 2024 05:44 PM (aehES)
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I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.

Posted by: Darth Government at August 28, 2024 05:47 PM (HnUIn)

35 Good. My worthless commie BIL has high college debt. I want to see him living under the highway in a cardboard box giving beejers to survive.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 28, 2024 05:47 PM (/U5Yz)

36 don't blame biden, he does whatever his handlers tell him to do, he probably doesn't know what year it is.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 05:47 PM (CWTWj)

37 My degree in Revolutionary Gay Black Islamic Slam Poetry is not working out for me... Pay up
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at August 28, 2024 05:46 PM (1FWWQ)
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Sure it is. You got filthy pucker blown out while you were drinking away your college days. You got what you were after.

Posted by: Yeah, I'm intolerant at August 28, 2024 05:47 PM (HnUIn)

38 As it did not go through...it will now be campaigned in such a way to state that the Republican packed court and the Republicans want you to remain in debt. The will simultaneously use it to suggest that the SC needs to be bigger to avoid this "unfairness" and "political decision making"...and we're just the people to do it.
Posted by: Orson at August 28, 2024 05:35 PM (dIske)

Or maybe even if they had gotten the stay removed and went on to a judicial victory that was denied cert by the Supremes and everything they ever wanted in this sphere, the Dem machine would have used that to show the Republicans' explicit intent to keep graduates in debt and that the SC needs to be bigger to avoid this "unfairness" and "political decision making"

(If we worry what the Dems may or may not do, we wind up being maneuvered by them and still ripped up one side and down the other while we whine that "we did what you wanted")

Posted by: Kindltot at August 28, 2024 05:48 PM (D7oie)

39 Y'know, it's kind of amusing to watch this, knowing this is holding off the last $770 or so I owe after paying probably more than $30k over the past 16 years and having to set aside so much in my life...I would feel worse if I hadn't already wasted so much money doing the right thing for a worthless degree. I just see it as compensation for how their fucktarded policies have constantly fucked me over economically over the same period.

Those fucktards with $200k+ on useless shit that don't want to pay shit, fuck 'em.

For those of you collectively possibly out $270 on my account, sorry about that.

Posted by: Brother Tim learned to stop quibbling and love the Protestant Reformation at August 28, 2024 05:48 PM (OUMaO)

40 This is all over facebook. liberals are lamenting on how they will be able to make their school loan payments when the price of everything is so high. This is especially sweet after a couple of million of them received letters stating their loans were going to be forgiven.

Here's a clue......do not take out loans that you know you have no hope of repaying.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 28, 2024 05:48 PM (QNSds)

41 Willowed:

Certainly the 10-20 things "his own" secret service did to leave him vulnerable is its own evidence of an Op.

As a former GS-13 (the equivilant of a Lt Col) in the Secret Service, Dan Bongino makes a very strong case that layered incompetence is conclusive evidence of criminal intent.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 28, 2024 05:48 PM (Da7Vv)

42 don't blame biden, he does whatever his handlers tell him to do, he probably doesn't know what year it is.
Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 05:47 PM (CWTWj)
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He is the face and persona of the the politburo. He is thus the justified subject of institutional as well as personal displeasure.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 05:49 PM (HnUIn)

43 kamala will propose that there be no sales tax on ice cream cones

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 05:49 PM (CWTWj)

44 35 Good. My worthless commie BIL has high college debt. I want to see him living under the highway in a cardboard box giving beejers to survive.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 28, 2024 05:47 PM (/U5Yz)

Is Thanksgiving pay per view?

Posted by: Stateless at August 28, 2024 05:49 PM (jvJvP)

45 This is precisely why the Dems think they have to get control of these wayward justices.

They aren't getting their way enough.

Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 05:50 PM (krQz2)

46 There should be no student loans for any degree other than STEM. F*ck these other useless degrees. You want a degree in lesbian knitting, pay for it upfront.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 28, 2024 05:51 PM (/U5Yz)

47 I used to think student loans somehow had a special status, and could not be forgiven, even in bankruptcy.

But a few years back I saw a few ways to reduce/eliminate the loans. Like taking a government job for several years? Or other gimmicks I now have forgotten.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 28, 2024 05:51 PM (Cus5s)

48
Hey, I paid off my daughters wedding last year. Just before her second born graduated college.

That's how stupid I am.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 28, 2024 05:51 PM (RKVpM)

49 explicit intent, by the way, was how Kamalol was trying to pin accusations on Trump.
It means, "no proof that we can show, but WE KNOW that he wants to do through his behavior. That we can't show you, but we know. Really"

Posted by: Kindltot at August 28, 2024 05:51 PM (D7oie)

50 re 42: yes, the central committee what got biden to drop out and replace him with kamala, like they did with with nikita the k in 1964

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 05:51 PM (CWTWj)

51 Don't forget about the sharks with laser beams.

Posted by: Max Power at August 28, 2024 05:51 PM (q177U)

52 44 35 Good. My worthless commie BIL has high college debt. I want to see him living under the highway in a cardboard box giving beejers to survive.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 28, 2024 05:47 PM (/U5Yz)

Is Thanksgiving pay per view?
Posted by: Stateless

That side of the family has been cut off since 2020. God bless my wife.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 28, 2024 05:52 PM (/U5Yz)

53 Why is CNN "tethering" Harris to Biden?
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes
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Otherwise, he might wander away.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 28, 2024 05:52 PM (XeU6L)

54 I guess you could say all those people who thought they were going to get their loans forgiven are suckers and losers.

Posted by: fd at August 28, 2024 05:53 PM (vFG9F)

55

Perhaps the federal government shouldn't be in the business of backing student loans. Perhaps the colleges and universities should have some responsibility for making sure their graduates have the ability to pay back their loans.

Posted by: nurse ratched, certified weirdo at August 28, 2024 05:53 PM (VTZ1R)

56 Shouldn't KamKam be celebrating this result, since she is copying almost every one of OrangeManBad's platform items?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 28, 2024 05:53 PM (FnneF)

57 so what will kamala propose to do about college tuition price gouging? i know, more financial aid from uncle tax payer?

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 05:53 PM (CWTWj)

58
But a few years back I saw a few ways to reduce/eliminate the loans. Like taking a government job for several years? Or other gimmicks I now have forgotten.
Posted by: illiniwek
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Canals.

Posted by: Hat tip to Uncle Palp at August 28, 2024 05:53 PM (XeU6L)

59 Don't forget about the sharks with laser beams.

Posted by: Max Power at August 28, 2024 05:51 PM

Sorry but we are going to have to settle for sea bass with a bad attitude.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 28, 2024 05:53 PM (QNSds)

60 "For those of you collectively possibly out $270 on my account, sorry about that.
Posted by: Brother Tim learned to stop quibbling and love the Protestant Reformation at August 28, 2024 05:48 PM (OUMaO)"

Last 4 years of being jerked around by fake-ass "student loan relief" that wasn't optional is probably going to cost us about 80k in interest in the long run.

They rejiggered everyone's accounts bigly about a year ago which most servicers used to scam their way into a capitalization.

This is on top of the years' worth of paperwork hell where the original nationalized loans got sold to more than one servicer at a time... good fucking luck sorting that out. Other than funneling money to cronies the primary Dem goal here is just fucking it all up. You know, just like the ACA and healthcare.

Posted by: somedood at August 28, 2024 05:54 PM (aehES)

61 Law Dork is not happy:

Chris “Law Dork” Geidner
@chrisgeidner
The Supreme Court is allowing the Eighth Circuit to issue a nationwide injunction blocking all SAVE Plan student loan relief, including reduced payment amounts, during litigation over the SAVE Plan — despite conflicting appeals court rulings on the plan.

Hey, "Law Dork", you do know that one of the functions of the Supreme Court is to address conflicting appeals court rulings, right?

I bet he wasn't complaining when Hawaiian judges were issuing nationwide injunctions blocking Trump from doing things.

Posted by: Kam-Kam! at August 28, 2024 05:54 PM (uxCna)

62 57 so what will kamala propose to do about college tuition price gouging? i know, more financial aid from uncle tax payer?
Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 05:53 PM (CWTWj)

She has to wait till they tell her what to think about this

Posted by: It's me donna at August 28, 2024 05:54 PM (IyPmt)

63 "Here's a clue......do not take out loans that you know you have no hope of repaying."

And don't give loans to people that are high credit risk. Like women's studies DEI students.

But that is part of reparations and equity I guess ... can't go against The Narrative. Whitey is evil and a thief of the DEI's righteous heritage.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 28, 2024 05:54 PM (Cus5s)

64 I'm in the vetmed field and as you can imagine, most medical professionals (read DVM's) have student debt balances that are catastrophic (upwards of $500k isn't uncommon) when compared to starting and future wages. I can't tell you how many of them I've spoken with who blithely think that after 20 years or so the entirety of their balances will be "forgiven". This SAVE Act is a last gasp to extend the current system for just a little longer before it all collapses under it's own weight IMO.

Posted by: Volfan at August 28, 2024 05:54 PM (t5mad)

65 this just in: biden is still awake.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 05:55 PM (CWTWj)

66 Another interesting decision today. A Clinton appointed judge found that the military can't bar people who have HIV from serving in the armed forces. Medics be damned

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2024 05:55 PM (ByB3C)

67 Tethered parents handing off their slacker kids to the government.

Soon

It’s coming

Posted by: Redenzo at August 28, 2024 05:55 PM (V/pbu)

68 Perhaps the federal government shouldn't be in the business of backing student loans. Perhaps the colleges and universities should have some responsibility for making sure their graduates have the ability to pay back their loans.
Posted by: nurse ratched, certified weirdo at August 28, 2024 05:53 PM (VTZ1R)
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It was the only way to keep the college scam running.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 05:55 PM (HnUIn)

69 But a few years back I saw a few ways to reduce/eliminate the loans. Like taking a government job for several years? Or other gimmicks I now have forgotten.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 28, 2024 05:51 PM (Cus5s)

Yep, that was a good one. It means a lot of failed undergrads and people with unusable degrees wind up handling your tax returns, and working on your business license filings. and a lot of those workers are miserable and feel trapped so they do extra good work for the agencies.

I figure student loan holders should be bankruptable, in a special case, where they have to file individual returns with no write offs allowed, and any refund is seized for 7 years as an attempt to pay something back.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 28, 2024 05:55 PM (D7oie)

70 Tampon Timmy and Kam-Kam sounds like a Saturday morning cartoon.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, Politico Fact-Checker at August 28, 2024 05:55 PM (PiwSw)

71 >>> 55

Perhaps the federal government shouldn't be in the business of backing student loans. Perhaps the colleges and universities should have some responsibility for making sure their graduates have the ability to pay back their loans.
Posted by: nurse ratched, certified weirdo at August 28, 2024 05:53 PM (VTZ1R)

Next you'll suggest feralgov shouldn't be involved in education, or health, or some other crazy ideas...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 28, 2024 05:56 PM (FnneF)

72 Good! Now start seizing assets for those in arrears like the IRS does.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 28, 2024 05:56 PM (3Ope8)

73
Key Details: Whores and lickspittles.

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 28, 2024 05:57 PM (aQaTO)

74 24 I never, ever want to see the word "forgiveness" being used in this context.

This is not "loan forgiveness." This is the unilateral transfer of a liability from the borrower to the taxpayer, without the taxpayer's consent or input.

A *lender* can forgive a loan. I can lend my buddy $20 and then tell him "don't worry about it." I lose the money, but I am willing to do so. I am a direct participant in the deal.

The government cannot. It can only transfer the liability to an unwilling participant.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 05:43 PM (HnUIn)

The kicker is that while the Leftists rage about the huge amounts idiot students need to borrow to get a college degree, they do nothing to reduce the cost of getting a degree. Because the colleges are Leftist indoctrination academies staffed by hordes of high-paid but unnecessary ultra-Leftist staff personnel.

The total 'loan forgiveness' scam is two-pronged: Buy votes from younger, college-degreed people; continue funneling money to colleges for useless but expensive degrees.

Posted by: Gref at August 28, 2024 05:58 PM (aBgBM)

75 Perhaps the federal government shouldn't be in the business of backing student loans. Perhaps the colleges and universities should have some responsibility for making sure their graduates have the ability to pay back their loans.

Posted by: nurse ratched, certified weirdo at August 28, 2024 05:53 PM

The federal government was not in the student loan business in the past until obama came along and changed the law in 2010.

His administration and the democrats saw all of that sweet, sweet $$$ in interest being paid to private banks and credit unions for student loans and they changed the law to set it up that the fed would be the primary school loan broker in the country.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 28, 2024 05:58 PM (QNSds)

76 what horse shit, ObummerCare used mandatory 6.4% gubberment loans to help finance that law and took the 3% private loans away, seems there has to be all kind of strings to cut to change that

Posted by: DanMan at August 28, 2024 05:58 PM (8uzBS)

77 All heed the words of your betters! The time for Seizing and Pouncing is over! The time of the Great Tethering has begun! If you feel you must Seize or Pounce consider the Tethering before all!

Posted by: Croaker at August 28, 2024 05:58 PM (AUB4U)

78 re 58: didn't obama and the dems pass some law that if you went to work for the gov't your student loans would be forgiven after ten years? way to buy votes.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 05:59 PM (CWTWj)

79 When Reagan was POTUS. I remember tow trucks backing up to Mercedes Benz cars in front of big houses to tow them away because the owners had defaulted on their college loans. Was most gratifying.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 28, 2024 06:00 PM (pohLc)

80 this just in: biden is still awake.
Posted by: gnats local 678

Did you use a mirror?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 28, 2024 06:00 PM (IG4Id)

81 "54 I guess you could say all those people who thought they were going to get their loans forgiven are suckers and losers.
Posted by: fd at August 28, 2024 05:53 PM (vFG9F)"

The suckers and losers are the ones who shopped around for specific loan terms from what was available on the market and legal (at the time), then got hosed when the feds nabbed the notes and tore those contracts up.

Even the most extreme version of the proposed Biden actions were aimed at community college dropouts. Obviously THAT is very popular with pothead losers, commie adjuncts, and professional protesters and such. The 10, 20K limits in those proposals haven't had anything to do with actual tuition amounts in 30+ years, even for state schools.

Shit, half the undergrads I see applying these days come from schools whose 4 year base tuition is almost 400k now. At least they're actually going to make real money... it's just nobody told them the degree isn't really needed.

Posted by: somedood at August 28, 2024 06:01 PM (aehES)

82 How many marriages of convenience? Is there a marriage mill?

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il matrimonia era di convenienza #01 at August 28, 2024 06:01 PM (qfLjt)

83 So, if I take out a loan to pay for a new car, then I have to make a monthly payment.

But if I take out a loan for college, then I don't have to pay it back?

Have I got that right?

Posted by: dantesed at August 28, 2024 06:02 PM (Oy/m2)

84 re 66: i dunno. being hiv positive is often like being covid positive

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:02 PM (CWTWj)

85 Willowed:
215 201 Emmie, how are you and Mr. Bassman? Long time since I have had a chance to say hi.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2024 05:30 PM (qLP0s)

Hi, Ben Had! We are both well and both home after our responsibilities in a nearby city today. Tiring day for me, but made progress on some logistics.

How are you? I love seeing your warm greetings to the Horde!
Posted by: Emmie at August 28, 2024 05:34 PM (Sf2cq)

Posted by: Emmie at August 28, 2024 06:02 PM (Sf2cq)

86 The kicker is that while the Leftists rage about the huge amounts idiot students need to borrow to get a college degree, they do nothing to reduce the cost of getting a degree. Because the colleges are Leftist indoctrination academies staffed by hordes of high-paid but unnecessary ultra-Leftist staff personnel. ...
Posted by: Gref at August 28, 2024 05:58 PM (aBgBM)
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They like that aspect of it, but even if they didn't the government cannot do anything to reduce the cost of higher education because it, like everything else, would involve slaughtering someone's sacred cow.

The government has one answer that doesn't piss anyone off, so it is the answer it uses in *every* scenario: throw money at the problem. But throwing money at the problem drives inflation in the problem area, because suddenly there's more money available.

When the problem is viewed as "cost," then throwing money at the problem is the *worst* thing you can do because the only outcome you can possibly have is that the problem gets worse (even if the government can afford it).

College affordability could be solved overnight, but so many sacred cows would be culled that they'd need to build more slaughterhouses

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 06:03 PM (HnUIn)

87 Sorry but we are going to have to settle for sea bass with a bad attitude.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 28, 2024 05:53 PM (QNSds)

Or a clownfish with halitosis

Posted by: Kindltot at August 28, 2024 06:03 PM (D7oie)

88 ‘Nobody knows da trouble I seen…..’

Posted by: Eromero at August 28, 2024 06:03 PM (o2ZRX)

89 re 80: that's what i got from my magic meatball

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:03 PM (CWTWj)

90 Tell these kids drowning in college debt that illegals get tens of thousands of their tax dollars a month for food, rent, and now mortgages. How quickly could they pay off their loan with $10k extra a month? Do they want some of that to go to them, and not people who aren't even Americans?

We need to shut off the govmint graft spigot, if inflation is ever to go down. All these aggrieved groups need to stop being promised sweet lies, and believing the sweet lies.

Posted by: LizLem at August 28, 2024 06:04 PM (QAK8m)

91 "Or a clownfish with halitosis
Posted by: Kindltot"

How about an overstimulated dolphin ?

Posted by: Flipper at August 28, 2024 06:04 PM (vFG9F)

92
Obama set up the scenario where a future (D) candidate could promise loan forgiveness to win election.

Anything more I would have to [redact].

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 28, 2024 06:04 PM (RKVpM)

93 Tell these kids drowning in college debt that illegals get tens of thousands of their tax dollars a month for food, rent, and now mortgages. How quickly could they pay off their loan with $10k extra a month? Do they want some of that to go to them, and not people who aren't even Americans?

We need to shut off the govmint graft spigot, if inflation is ever to go down. All these aggrieved groups need to stop being promised sweet lies, and believing the sweet lies.
Posted by: LizLem at August 28, 2024 06:04 PM (QAK8m)
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"It's the rich not paying their fair share. We can welcome the newcomers and have affordable college if the fat cats weren't so damn greedy. Something needs to be done about them."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 06:04 PM (HnUIn)

94 The lawsuits were brought only by Republican AGs. Republicans deeply hate this country.

given the situation with Thomas and Alito, I've lost faith in the entire court. It's the whole "good cop" argument. If they, the so-called "liberal" justices, were actually "good cops" then they would speak publicly about the overt grift by Thomas and Alito but they remain silent. SCOTUS, it's members and the institution, is wholly corrupt.

So, while the latest court case plays out, borrowers do not have to pay on their loans and won't accrue interest. Sounds like a good thing.

I am glad that fall-back was available!

We need a blue House, a blue Senate, and soon-to-be Pres. Harris to repair the damage by the Subversive Six. Tell a voter what majorities mean.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 28, 2024 06:05 PM (ycI94)

95 this just in: trump cheated on his taxes in 1987.

votes harris/warts!

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:06 PM (CWTWj)

96 Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 28, 2024 06:05 PM (ycI94)

They do not disappoint

Posted by: It's me donna at August 28, 2024 06:07 PM (IyPmt)

97 We need a blue House, a blue Senate, and soon-to-be Pres. Harris to repair the damage by the Subversive Six. Tell a voter what majorities mean.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 28, 2024 06:05 PM (ycI94)

man, these are always a good insight on the kooks we are dealing with.

They have no idea how the constitution works

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:08 PM (NtVYv)

98 And be of my nurse coworkers just walked past and saw the Bee headline, "Kamala Policy Page Now Just Redirects to Trump's Website."

She snorted and showed me some pics of Kamala wearing a MAGA hat on the twatters.

Hahahahaha!

Posted by: nurse ratched, certified weirdo at August 28, 2024 06:08 PM (7hNYp)

99 Damn I'd hate to be the DU imbecile that tried to sell me that bullshit. I might just bite their fukkin nose off.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 28, 2024 06:08 PM (pohLc)

100 an anchovy with suicidal ideation

Posted by: Kindltot at August 28, 2024 06:08 PM (D7oie)

101 An issue I absolutely do not give a fuck about. It's patently illegal yet still done.

Why bitch about it?

The left will continue to push against this until they get their way. And they will get their way, eventually.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 28, 2024 06:08 PM (Q4IgG)

102 Apropos of nothing whatsoever, you know one of the few things that are not dischargeable in bankruptcy? Now why would the federal government take over student loans and make it non dischargeable? It's a mystery is what it is.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 28, 2024 06:08 PM (2UnvF)

103 "83 So, if I take out a loan to pay for a new car, then I have to make a monthly payment.
But if I take out a loan for college, then I don't have to pay it back?
Have I got that right?
Posted by: dantesed at August 28, 2024 06:02 PM (Oy/m2)"

Actually no. What's going on here if we use a car example is the feds have declared that people are suffering under the weight of car loans, so they've seized all the loans and hired their buddies to service them for 9 figures a year, while altering the loan terms at will.

Then they keep lobbing up half-baked plans to "forgive" the balances and pause payments - to "help" people - which get shot down in court, at which point the borrowers already getting assfucked by shoddy servicing then also get assfucked by interest capitalization.

Other people who don't have cars or who paid theirs off get mad at this, at which point the Dems point at them and call them "mean" to pander to the "I'm finna get my car repo'ed" voter demographic.

That's what's going on here. Create a mess; run on claims you'll fix it while using it to funnel money into your pockets.

Posted by: somedood at August 28, 2024 06:09 PM (aehES)

104 re 94: they'd be thrilled to live in a real democracy where you could have the majority make in a law that to vote you must swear an oath that you believe moses brought down the ten commandments from mt sinai.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:09 PM (CWTWj)

105
When Joey wakes up Thursday afternoon he'll be pissed about this.

Not enough to make an appearance, but some minion will pen a statement.

Posted by: Auspex at August 28, 2024 06:09 PM (j4U/Z)

106 Boy, every time you people get going about your college careers and paying for your kids' addictions, I realize how lucky I am, how close "conservative" is to "white trash," and what racial superiority really looks like. We get a hard close look at some really fucked up lives here. I'm glad not to know some of you.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 28, 2024 06:10 PM (zdLoL)

107 74
This is not "loan forgiveness." This is the unilateral transfer of a liability from the borrower to the taxpayer, without the taxpayer's consent or input.

A *lender* can forgive a loan. I can lend my buddy $20 and then tell him "don't worry about it." I lose the money, but I am willing to do so. I am a direct participant in the deal.

The government cannot. It can only transfer the liability to an unwilling participant.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 05:43 PM (HnUIn)
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Not really. The Government made the loan and if part of it doesn't get paid back it doesn't really affect you any more than the Gov. giving billions to Ukraine.
If they had that money in hand it wouldn't reduce your taxes, rather the Gov would find some other bottomless pit to pour it down - say the DNC, Solyndra-like, etc.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il matrimonio era di convenienza #02 at August 28, 2024 06:10 PM (qfLjt)

108 We need a blue House, a blue Senate, and soon-to-be Pres. Harris

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 28, 2024 06:05 PM (ycI94)
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... and America won't be a problem any more, right?

Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 06:10 PM (krQz2)

109 Feds are terrible about altering contracts after the fact... and nationalizing shit and then altering those contracts as well. I never agreed to any of this bullshit.
Posted by: somedood at August 28, 2024 05:44 PM

Pray I do not alter the contracts further.

Posted by: Darth FedGov at August 28, 2024 06:11 PM (a3Q+t)

110 106 Boy, every time you people get going about your college careers and paying for your kids' addictions, I realize how lucky I am, how close "conservative" is to "white trash," and what racial superiority really looks like. We get a hard close look at some really fucked up lives here. I'm glad not to know some of you.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 28, 2024 06:10 PM (zdLoL)

Here's an interesting concept dung eater. Hows about you get the fuck out and never come back?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 28, 2024 06:11 PM (pohLc)

111 This confuses me, honestly. The Supremes - since the Dread Pirate Roberts - have been steered to make rulings such that nobody will ever tell the Supremes to stuff it up their asses. And thus, to preserve the image of the Supremes as something that matters.

These States doing these things now are going to just go on and ignore the Supremes. Yet - the Supremes are making moves to make a point.

I don't get it.

Posted by: Remember When at August 28, 2024 06:11 PM (h38gH)

112 94 We need a blue House, a blue Senate, and soon-to-be Pres. Harris to repair the damage by the Subversive Six. Tell a voter what majorities mean.

out: subversive six sigma
in: agile

Posted by: anachronda at August 28, 2024 06:12 PM (oY6Yp)

113 I'm glad not to know some of you.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 28, 2024 06:10 PM (zdLoL)

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Back atcha

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 28, 2024 06:12 PM (2UnvF)

114 At least I don't poop upriver of where I bathe.

Posted by: wth at August 28, 2024 06:12 PM (v0R5T)

115 re 97: they think a fully controlled dem govt will add four leftists to 'rebalance' the supreme court so they can have everything thing they want.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:12 PM (CWTWj)

116 Not really. The Government made the loan and if part of it doesn't get paid back it doesn't really affect you any more than the Gov. giving billions to Ukraine.
If they had that money in hand it wouldn't reduce your taxes, rather the Gov would find some other bottomless pit to pour it down - say the DNC, Solyndra-like, etc.
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il matrimonio era di convenienza #02 at August 28, 2024 06:10 PM (qfLjt)
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Every penny it forgives is a penny of future cashflow written off and sacrificed, to be made up by somebody else.

Scale doesn't make the problem go away, it just helps obfuscate it. "The rapacious tax man is going to take it all anyway" is irrelevant. It's yet another jug dumped into the bucket.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 06:12 PM (HnUIn)

117 https://tinyurl.com/3prjr36k

Telegram CEO indicted in Paris Court

Following the arrest of Telegram CEO and co-founder Pavel Durov Saturday, the 39-year-old billionaire, Drov has been indicted on multiple charges after appearing in front of a Paris Court on Wednesday.

He has been indicted on charges of
- Complicity in the administration of an online platform to enable an illicit transaction, by an organized gang *
- Refusal to communicate at the request of authorities
- Complicity in the offenses in particular of making available without legitimate reason a program or data designed to an attack on an automated data processing system
- Organized gang dissemination of images of minors of a child pornography nature
- Drug trafficking
- Organized gang fraud
- Criminal conspiracy with a view to committing crimes or offenses
- Laundering of crimes or offenses by organized games
- Provision of cryptology services aimed at ensuring confidentiality functions without compliant declaration.

{*} This charge carries a maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment and a fine of €500,000.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 28, 2024 06:13 PM (O7YUW)

118 Then they keep lobbing up half-baked plans to "forgive" the balances and pause payments - to "help" people - which get shot down in court, at which point the borrowers already getting assfucked by shoddy servicing then also get assfucked by interest capitalization.
Posted by: somedood at August 28, 2024 06:09 PM

You keep mentioning @ssf*cked as if it's a Bad Thing.

Posted by: George Takei at August 28, 2024 06:13 PM (a3Q+t)

119 I have a friend who served as the Financial Aid counselor at our campus. She was fired because she wouldn't encourage students to always max out their loan requests and she wouldn't sign off on financial aid and loans to students who were ineligible.

Posted by: Emmie at August 28, 2024 06:13 PM (Sf2cq)

120 out: subversive six sigma
in: agile
Posted by: anachronda at August 28, 2024 06:12 PM (oY6Yp)
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Subversive Six Sigma: we claim we're doing Six Sigma, but do a funhouse mirror version of it that does nothing.

See Also: most Six Sigma implementations.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 06:13 PM (HnUIn)

121 Boy, every time you people get going about your college careers and paying for your kids' addictions, I realize how lucky I am, how close "conservative" is to "white trash," and what racial superiority really looks like. We get a hard close look at some really fucked up lives here. I'm glad not to know some of you.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 28, 2024 06:10 PM (zdLoL)

You're be gladder if never show up here.

Posted by: runner at August 28, 2024 06:13 PM (V13WU)

122 I am not an advocate for loan forgiveness, but it’s pretty frustrating to see how much cash is being handed to illegals while the rest of us actually work and pay our debts and obligations. 0 down home loans while we institute austerity programs to ensure a solid down payment on a house we can actually afford. Business loans without flaming hoops and coal walking while chewing gum and patting our heads. It’s pretty outrageous and those mad their loan gift was yanked should have this double standard thrown in their faces constantly.

Posted by: Piper at August 28, 2024 06:13 PM (p4NUW)

123 "Boy, every time you people get going about your college careers and paying for your kids' addictions, "

"Paying for your kids' addictions" I don't even know what that means but am not going to ask. Is there something positive which you could share here?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 28, 2024 06:14 PM (dTTBf)

124 "We need a blue House, a blue Senate, and soon-to-be Pres. Harris"

and a nucular iran to bring peace to the middle east

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:14 PM (CWTWj)

125 In other news, the Supreme Court has declined to uphold the rejection of the stay of the denial of the appeal of the reversal of the nullification of the lack of standing.

It's nice to have that all straightened out.

Posted by: Tom Perry at August 28, 2024 06:14 PM (MX0bI)

126 Six Sigmoidoscopy

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 28, 2024 06:14 PM (Kk+82)

127 "Paying for your kids' addictions" I don't even know what that means but am not going to ask. Is there something positive which you could share here?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 28, 2024 06:14 PM (dTTBf)

I'm sure "it" has some new poll numbers to share

Posted by: It's me donna at August 28, 2024 06:15 PM (IyPmt)

128 Is there something positive which you could share here?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 28, 2024 06:14 PM (dTTBf)

The most positive thing POS could say is adios.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 28, 2024 06:15 PM (pohLc)

129 Posted by: Piper at August 28, 2024 06:13 PM (p4NUW)

Old and Busted: Second Class Citizen
New Hotness: Second Class because you ARE a Citizen.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 28, 2024 06:15 PM (xaFKb)

130 ... - Organized gang dissemination of images of minors of a child pornography nature
- Drug trafficking
- Organized gang fraud
- Criminal conspiracy with a view to committing crimes or offenses
- Laundering of crimes or offenses by organized games ...
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 28, 2024 06:13 PM (O7YUW)
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This part of the list involves crimes allegedly committed by Telegram users. I don't know if something was lost in translation, but this looks like the transference of crimes from the user to the platform, and then to the executive in charge of the platform. Putting the liability for criminal activity directly on the platform owner would be a new development.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 06:15 PM (HnUIn)

131 DU is very special.

Posted by: runner at August 28, 2024 06:16 PM (V13WU)

132 Is there something positive which you could share here?

Like a link to bewbs.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 28, 2024 06:16 PM (Kk+82)

133 131 DU is very special.
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2024 06:16 PM (V13WU

Little yellow bus special

Posted by: It's me donna at August 28, 2024 06:16 PM (IyPmt)

134 We need a blue House, a blue Senate, and soon-to-be Pres. Harris to repair the damage by the Subversive Six. Tell a voter what majorities mean.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 28, 2024 06:05 PM (ycI94)
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What a maroon. The Blue House is the presidential palace in the Republic of Korea. In this country, the presidential palace is called the White House. Doesn't this person even know which country he or she is in?

Posted by: Missing the point entirely at August 28, 2024 06:17 PM (HnUIn)

135 We need a blue House, a blue Senate, and soon-to-be Pres. Harris to repair the damage by the Subversive Six. Tell a voter what majorities mean.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 28, 2024 06:05 PM (ycI94)
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The free stuff army seems to think they won't eventually be part of the people who have to help pay for the so-called "free stuff."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 28, 2024 06:17 PM (tT6L1)

136 "This part of the list involves crimes allegedly committed by Telegram users. I don't know if something was lost in translation, but this looks like the transference of crimes from the user to the platform, and then to the executive in charge of the platform. Putting the liability for criminal activity directly on the platform owner would be a new development.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 06:15 PM (HnUIn)"

I'm not sure why people are comparing this guy's actions to the written law, as if rule of law is still some kind of thing.

Posted by: somedood at August 28, 2024 06:17 PM (aehES)

137 DU is short for Democrats unhinged, no?

Posted by: dantesed at August 28, 2024 06:17 PM (Oy/m2)

138 You know that there is NO WAY the fed didn't count repayment as revenue for the government, right?

So, forgiving all these loans means...what?

A LOT LESS REVENUE that was counted on.

(Not that I think Obama really counted on it now, it just looked good "on the books" to get people out of his hair.)

Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 06:17 PM (krQz2)

139 Americans have been turned into suckers and chumps for keeping their nose clean.

"Crime doesn't pay" they told us. I sure could use a refund of my student loans. I re-upped after a break in service and paid it all off. I worked hard too, and was rewarded with a very fine position ahead of my peers to some no trivial degree. So maybe that was my reward, now that I think about it.

But I still need the fucking money assholes. Mencken said elections are a kind of advance auction of stolen goods.

Democrats certainly take this straight to heart.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2024 06:17 PM (8vxoL)

140 106 Boy, every time you people get going about your college careers and paying for your kids' addictions, I realize how lucky I am, how close "conservative" is to "white trash," and what racial superiority really looks like. We get a hard close look at some really fucked up lives here. I'm glad not to know some of you.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 28, 2024 06:10 PM

Are you smart enough to realize that the only person bashing people in the thread for their skin color is you?

Racism is a nasty drug.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 28, 2024 06:17 PM (HlyYF)

141 "The Government made the loan and if part of it doesn't get paid back it doesn't really affect you any more than the Gov. giving billions to Ukraine."

This makes no sense. It causes inflation for one thing.

Posted by: fd at August 28, 2024 06:17 PM (vFG9F)

142 I have a friend who served as the Financial Aid counselor at our campus. She was fired because she wouldn't encourage students to always max out their loan requests and she wouldn't sign off on financial aid and loans to students who were ineligible.

Posted by: Emmie at August 28, 2024 06:13 PM

I had a High school guidance counselor in 1974 who refused to let anyone decide to list joining the military as a career choice on their form. If someone said they were going to join she pulled out all stops to convince them they were stupid and would be killed in a senseless war the instant they signed their enlistment papers.

She got really pi$$ed at me when I said I was joining the Army.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 28, 2024 06:17 PM (QNSds)

143 See Also: most Six Sigma implementations.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 06:13 PM (HnUIn)

I had super high intensity training in this SHIT

it wastes a bunch of everyone's time. I have SS black belt that isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:18 PM (NtVYv)

144 "Paying for your kids' addictions" I don't even know what that means but am not going to ask. Is there something positive which you could share here?
==

A final goodbye ?

Posted by: runner at August 28, 2024 06:18 PM (V13WU)

145 It's time for our daily scolding!

Thank you sir may I have another.

Posted by: Kevin Bacon at August 28, 2024 06:18 PM (ZLd/E)

146 Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 28, 2024 06:16 PM (Kk+82)

We have a nice, intelligent, interesting fellow here who does that regularly. We don't need WWD to do that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 28, 2024 06:18 PM (dTTBf)

147 white trash are the people who fix your plumbing, repair your roofs, grow and deliver your food and fix your car engines.

but under real socialism it will all work like magic.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:18 PM (CWTWj)

148 DU is very special.
Posted by: runner at August 28, 2024 06:16 PM (V13WU

Little yellow bus special

Posted by: It's me donna at August 28, 2024 06:16 PM (IyPmt)
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Who doesn't like a short yellow school bus?!

Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 06:18 PM (krQz2)

149 I had super high intensity training in this SHIT

it wastes a bunch of everyone's time. I have SS black belt that isn't worth the paper it's written on.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:18 PM (NtVYv)
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'tis okay. You can learn LEAN and Afterburner next.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 06:18 PM (HnUIn)

150 white trash are the people who fix your plumbing, repair your roofs, grow and deliver your food and fix your car engines.

but under real socialism it will all work like magic.
Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:18 PM (CWTWj)
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Especially since a number of socialists think they won't have to work under socialism.

Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 06:19 PM (krQz2)

151 119 I have a friend who served as the Financial Aid counselor at our campus. She was fired because she wouldn't encourage students to always max out their loan requests and she wouldn't sign off on financial aid and loans to students who were ineligible.

Posted by: Emmie at August 28, 2024 06:13 PM

When the administration found out what she was doing, did they run around yelling "Burn the witch!"?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 28, 2024 06:19 PM (HlyYF)

152 If they had that money in hand it wouldn't reduce your taxes, rather the Gov would find some other bottomless pit to pour it down - say the DNC, Solyndra-like, etc.
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il matrimonio era di convenienza #02 at August 28, 2024 06:10 PM (qfLjt)

actually since the Feral gov't really isn't the lender here, it is something they can't forgive or allow to go away.
Although the Federal government wrote the grants for the loan, they didn't actually have the money, they had to issue Treasuries or the like and forced the Fed to buy them, and so they went on the market. The actual lender is whoever bought the treasuries, and if they don't get paid back they will tell everyone, and then everyone won't buy more US Debt.

Remember, in our system, money creation is through lending and then letting the value and interest be paid to the lender to make the amount created by the debt have actual value. It works as long as the money creation matches the ecomonic growth, but when it exceeds it we have monetary inflation. Which we have now.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 28, 2024 06:19 PM (D7oie)

153 91 "Or a clownfish with halitosis
Posted by: Kindltot"

How about an overstimulated dolphin ?

Posted by: Flipper at August 28, 2024 06:04 PM (vFG9F)
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In this plaice you just get scrod.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il matrimonio era di convenienza #03 at August 28, 2024 06:19 PM (qfLjt)

154 Doesn't matter. Unless we can get Trump across the finish line in November, we're fucked and the USA is dunzo.
Posted by: Peaches at August 28, 2024 05:41 PM (14URa)

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We’re fucked regardless, I’m sorry to say. Trump didn’t rein in spending in his first term. In fact, wasn’t he the one who put student loans on hold (as well as an unconstitutional eviction moratorium) due the sniffles?

I don’t think Trump can defeat the deep state and I’m not convinced he will even try after his mediocre first attempt.

Our country died in 2020. Their democracy is in its place, and I doubt we’ll see it removed in my lifetime.

Posted by: Lurker at August 28, 2024 06:19 PM (CIeX+)

155 white trash are the people who fix your plumbing, repair your roofs, grow and deliver your food and fix your car engines.

but under real socialism it will all work like magic.
Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:18 PM (CWTWj)

I do most of my own white trash shit. So I must be super white trash. ( I don't do tile )

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:19 PM (NtVYv)

156 "but under real socialism it will all work like magic.
Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:18 PM (CWTWj)"

I'm not sure if real anti-communism hasn't been tried or just wasn't taken far enough. We should find out.

Posted by: somedood at August 28, 2024 06:20 PM (aehES)

157 143 See Also: most Six Sigma implementations.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 06:13 PM (HnUIn)

I had super high intensity training in this SHIT

it wastes a bunch of everyone's time. I have SS black belt that isn't worth the paper it's written on.

better get some agile training. everybody does *that* right.

Posted by: anachronda at August 28, 2024 06:20 PM (oY6Yp)

158 re 141: sorry, you are in need of re-education. boxcar is that way.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:20 PM (CWTWj)

159 "Or a clownfish with halitosis
Posted by: Kindltot"

How about an overstimulated dolphin ?

Posted by: Flipper at August 28, 2024 06:04 PM (vFG9F)
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In this plaice you just get scrod.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il matrimonio era di convenienza #03 at August 28, 2024 06:19 PM (qfLjt)
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Begun, the fish puns, have.

Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 06:20 PM (krQz2)

160 Especially since a number of socialists think they won't have to work under socialism.
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 06:19 PM (krQz2)
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As it should be.

Posted by: Deliberately devoid of ability, deliberately excessive in need at August 28, 2024 06:20 PM (HnUIn)

161 At least I don't poop upriver of where I bathe.

Big Penguin asks why.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 28, 2024 06:20 PM (Kk+82)

162 Those idiots loaded up on Gender Studies. They knew the risks.

I say let ‘em crash!

Posted by: Jak Sucio at August 28, 2024 06:20 PM (Aoykm)

163 Posted by: Lurker at August 28, 2024 06:19 PM (CIeX+)

Way to kill all hope. I guess we can still look forward to the burning times.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:20 PM (NtVYv)

164 I do most of my own white trash shit. So I must be super white trash. ( I don't do tile )
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:19 PM (NtVYv)
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Putting down tile isn't hard. Installing tile well is.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 28, 2024 06:21 PM (tT6L1)

165
No loan forgiveness. Learn to Kamala Harris under the bridge abatement downtown @ $20 / blowjob.

Posted by: BifBewalski at August 28, 2024 06:21 PM (MsrgL)

166 At least I don't poop upriver of where I bathe.

Big Penguin asks why.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 28, 2024 06:20 PM (Kk+82)
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But *I* poop upriver of where you bathe

MUAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Serial Pooper at August 28, 2024 06:21 PM (HnUIn)

167 >>>SAVE (Saving on a Valuable Education

A "valuable" "education" that can't be monetized to pay deadbeats' fucking bills.

Asshats.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 28, 2024 06:21 PM (i24o9)

168 "Doesn't matter. Unless we can get Trump across the finish line in November, we're fucked and the USA is dunzo.
Posted by: Peaches at August 28, 2024 05:41 PM (14URa)"

We're just sorting out the order of battle at this point. Don't get me wrong, PDT helped a lot there and another term will help even more.

Posted by: somedood at August 28, 2024 06:21 PM (aehES)

169 The only paying for my sons addictions I do is sometimes buying him books. As far as addictions go, that's not a bad one although it does tend to clutter up the house.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 28, 2024 06:22 PM (dTTBf)

170 ahah I learned about lean, I think if you get people to learn and understand it goes a long way.

Have you studied your 5S homework ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:23 PM (NtVYv)

171 This part of the list involves crimes allegedly committed by Telegram users. I don't know if something was lost in translation, but this looks like the transference of crimes from the user to the platform, and then to the executive in charge of the platform. Putting the liability for criminal activity directly on the platform owner would be a new development.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 06:15 PM (HnUIn)

Next up? Gun manufacturers will be held accountable for crimes committed with guns..

Oh... wait, they ARE trying that.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 28, 2024 06:23 PM (xaFKb)

172 re 150: from each according to his ability, to each according to his need

and there are plenty of people who think their real ability is telling the rest of us what to do and how to live. and the obamas need those three multimillion dollar mansions. get with the program, pisan.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:23 PM (CWTWj)

173 US debt ratio to GDP---123%

Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2024 06:23 PM (qLP0s)

174 You'd think that Republicans would want to decrease the cost of college by decreasing the amount of federal cash pumped into the system. Nope. Republican districts and states have colleges and some of that money finds its way into campaign coffers and politicians pockets

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 28, 2024 06:23 PM (ByB3C)

175 Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 28, 2024 06:10 PM

Did someone lose their woobie?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 28, 2024 06:23 PM (a3Q+t)

176 >>>SAVE (Saving on a Valuable Education

A "valuable" "education" that can't be monetized to pay deadbeats' fucking bills.

Asshats.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 28, 2024 06:21 PM (i24o9)
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The words of a pimp are not like the words of a square--and mean only certain things.

Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 06:23 PM (krQz2)

177 Those idiots loaded up on Gender Studies. They knew the risks.

I say let ‘em crash!
Posted by: Jak Sucio at August 28, 2024 06:20 PM (Aoykm)

Underwater gender studies poetic basket weaving.

Posted by: RickZ at August 28, 2024 06:24 PM (gKDq2)

178 DU is short for Democrats unhinged, no?
Posted by: dantesed

Redundant at this point.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 28, 2024 06:24 PM (IG4Id)

179 149 I had super high intensity training in this SHIT

it wastes a bunch of everyone's time. I have SS black belt that isn't worth the paper it's written on.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:18 PM (NtVYv)
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'tis okay. You can learn LEAN and Afterburner next.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August

I have a black belt in both SS and Lean. I even taught Lean. This should scare the pants off you, if you were wearing any. 🤣😂🤣

Posted by: Piper at August 28, 2024 06:24 PM (p4NUW)

180 People have no idea, the Soviet Union was not a nice place to live. The people are tough because they had to be.

They didn't pay people not to work. Even the communists were that stupid. They sent you orders, "report to glorious widget factory #34" and that was that. You pretend to work, and they pretend to pay you, but you will be there every day. In 10 or 20 years, maybe you buy a car. Maybe.

How did the Soviets handle liability? I've always read they had absolutely no insurance or anything of the sort. So if two Soviets get in auto accident with personal injury, property damage? What happens?

They all drove drunk as cooter brown on top of that. I think they still do.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2024 06:24 PM (8vxoL)

181 where does biden poop? depends

beat you to it

Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:24 PM (CWTWj)

182 Big Penguin asks why.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 28, 2024 06:20 PM (Kk+82)
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But *I* poop upriver of where you bathe

MUAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: Serial Pooper at August 28, 2024 06:21 PM (HnUIn)

Penguin Cam, lots of shit

https://tinyurl.com/bddd8b6t

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:25 PM (NtVYv)

183 When some Leftists start questioning what the federal government was going to do with all of their PROFITS from the student loan program, Obama and his crew said that money would be offsets to the costs of Obamacare.

They may even have included it in the scoring plan assumptions they sent to CBO.

I know there is not supposed to be any math here at AOS, but could someone please calculate the profit on a loan where the borrower never made an interest payment and the lender then forgave the entire principal amount?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 28, 2024 06:26 PM (HlyYF)

184 I even taught Lean. This should scare the pants off you, if you were wearing any. 🤣😂🤣
Posted by: Piper at August 28, 2024 06:24 PM

It's not the Book Thread.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 28, 2024 06:26 PM (a3Q+t)

185 141 "The Government made the loan and if part of it doesn't get paid back it doesn't really affect you any more than the Gov. giving billions to Ukraine."

This makes no sense. It causes inflation for one thing.

Posted by: fd at August 28, 2024 06:17 PM (vFG9F)
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The Gov printing money willy-nilly causes inflation. Billions to Ukraine causes inflation. I don't see any one suing in court to stop that. Surely the States have standing?

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il matrimonio era di convenienza #04 at August 28, 2024 06:27 PM (qfLjt)

186 from each according to his ability, to each according to his need

and there are plenty of people who think their real ability is telling the rest of us what to do and how to live. and the obamas need those three multimillion dollar mansions. get with the program, pisan.
Posted by: gnats local 678 at August 28, 2024 06:23 PM (CWTWj)
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That's why the members of the politburo always get the best compensation.

Because their contribution to the Great Society is so great.

Every society--including socialists--know how you get from everyone according to their ability. Only a socialist reserve incentives for the TOP MEN in their society. Only to those contributing to the cause of Socialism as their main contribution.

Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 06:27 PM (krQz2)

187 I have a black belt in both SS and Lean. I even taught Lean. This should scare the pants off you, if you were wearing any. 🤣😂🤣
Posted by: Piper at August 28, 2024 06:24 PM (p4NUW)
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Meh. ISO 9000 is where it's at, baby!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 28, 2024 06:27 PM (tT6L1)

188 How did the Soviets handle liability? I've always read they had absolutely no insurance or anything of the sort. So if two Soviets get in auto accident with personal injury, property damage? What happens?“

Same thing that happens when an illegal alien in a car with stolen plates runs into you and then takes off.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2024 06:27 PM (9loYT)

189 Berea got more married tail than he could ever need.

That's what you give to somebody who contributes that much to the cause that you can jail your enemies without fail.

Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 06:28 PM (krQz2)

190 At least I don't poop upriver of where I bathe.

Big Penguin asks why.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 28, 2024 06:20 PM (Kk+82)
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But *I* poop upriver of where you bathe

MUAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: Serial Pooper

New Orleans has entered the chat.

Posted by: BifBewalski at August 28, 2024 06:28 PM (MsrgL)

191 "Penguin Cam, lots of shit'

fish shit is the worst shit

Posted by: DanMan at August 28, 2024 06:29 PM (8uzBS)

192 I remember 20 years ago while going to UCLA at night.

I had a SS book i carried in to work one day and this old curmudgeon who I really liked saw it and said " get that shit out of here"

Still makes me laugh

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:29 PM (NtVYv)

193 Penguin Cam, lots of shit

https://tinyurl.com/bddd8b6t

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway

That little guy staring at the people in the bubble in an inverse zoo relationship.

Posted by: Piper at August 28, 2024 06:29 PM (p4NUW)

194
Same thing that happens when an illegal alien in a car with stolen plates runs into you and then takes off.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2024 06:27 PM (9loYT)
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Uninsured motorist coverage is required in a lot of states, Hmmm...

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 28, 2024 06:29 PM (tT6L1)

195 Well - that's a good point, and explains a lot. Millions of un-insured can poison the auto insurance industry. Not very nice things have been done to the real estate market over the decades.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2024 06:29 PM (8vxoL)

196 "Penguin Cam, lots of shit'

fish shit is the worst shit
Posted by: DanMan at August 28, 2024 06:29 PM (8uzBS)

those little fuckers stink

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:30 PM (NtVYv)

197 The Gov printing money willy-nilly causes inflation. Billions to Ukraine causes inflation. I don't see any one suing in court to stop that. Surely the States have standing?
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il matrimonio era di convenienza #04 at August 28, 2024 06:27 PM (qfLjt)

Probably not, the Federal Reserve is supposed to be independent and the states don't deal with foreign stuff

The one thing that is going on is the Fed has raised interest rates and is not reducing it, which is making everyone scream but it is also slowing the creation of money, since everyone is trying to get out of their need to refinance what were zero interest loans, and can't afford much new debt
at least that is the theory.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 28, 2024 06:30 PM (D7oie)

198 How did the Soviets handle liability? I've always read they had absolutely no insurance or anything of the sort. So if two Soviets get in auto accident with personal injury, property damage? What happens?“

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 28, 2024 06:27 PM (9loYT)
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They largely didn't drive cars since the "waiting list" was egregiously long.

Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 06:31 PM (krQz2)

199 Meh. ISO 9000 is where it's at, baby!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 28, 2024 06:27 PM (tT6L1)

Try ISO 14001. https://tinyurl.com/458upv8x
Bunch of shit but try doing business with another 14001 company without it.

Posted by: Reforger at August 28, 2024 06:32 PM (xcIvR)

200 As a Quality Engineer at an aerospace company, I taught SPC, 6 sigma, and ISO 9000. Yes, it is a paperwork scam. Your quality depends on your people caring about producing a quality product. The stupid paperwork has little to nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 28, 2024 06:32 PM (pohLc)

201 "No Fault" is a perversion of insurance as well. Mandatory policies were always hated by the industry back in the day.

They had to send out a registered letter blah blah at 12:01 am coverage will cease. Then they come in a panic and want to pay up for two more weeks.

I think it's Michigan - it has a "no fault" wack job insurance requirement that makes it the most expensive in the nation.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2024 06:33 PM (8vxoL)

202 The US is the biggest funder of the IMF.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2024 06:33 PM (qLP0s)

203 Meh. ISO 9000 is where it's at, baby!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 28, 2024 06:27 PM (tT6L1)
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The Psychedelic Shack of certifications.

Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 06:33 PM (krQz2)

204 "The Gov printing money willy-nilly causes inflation. Billions to Ukraine causes inflation. I don't see any one suing in court to stop that. Surely the States have standing?"

Well, we will not (exactly) default, because we can print to infinity. BUT IF we want to maintain any semblance of financial order, we will have to "give a big haircut" to many lenders, and "refinance" our debt.

Not sure on the details, but there must be some restructuring, imo. Trump has spoken on this a couple times. Maria Bartiroma was very interested the first time. Since, I think Trump said "better to get it over with" or something like that.

A one and done haircut (telling bond holders they have to accept a loss?) is maybe a better way than continuing increased debt payments to infinity. Reestablishing "normal practices" would be the preferred "way out".

idk, all kinda fuzzy to me, but for now, MMT (magic money tree, print to infinity) is their path.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 28, 2024 06:33 PM (Cus5s)

205
those little fuckers stink
Posted by: Hatari

Especially when they are 'way way downriver'.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 28, 2024 06:34 PM (HC+WS)

206 So if two Soviets get in auto accident with personal injury, property damage? What happens?“

You burn the other guys barn.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 28, 2024 06:34 PM (e+vJ2)

207 As a Quality Engineer at an aerospace company, I taught SPC, 6 sigma, and ISO 9000. Yes, it is a paperwork scam. Your quality depends on your people caring about producing a quality product. The stupid paperwork has little to nothing to do with it.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 28, 2024 06:32 PM

Pffft. You document your process, you make sure everyone follows the process. Easy peasy.

/ sarc

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 28, 2024 06:34 PM (a3Q+t)

208 Here's a shocker if true. The Clintons sold Arlington Cemetery plots to political donors!!

https://tinyurl.com/4v3628x5

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il matrimonio era di convenienza #05 at August 28, 2024 06:34 PM (qfLjt)

209 I drove a car in Hawaii, and they had a "special" no-fault auto policy that was required. The only thing special was it cost a lot of money probably.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2024 06:34 PM (8vxoL)

210 They largely didn't drive cars since the "waiting list" was egregiously long.
Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 06:31 PM (krQz2)
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A man saved up his money for 20 years to buy a Lada and the day finally came when he went to the dealer to buy the car and wait for delivery.

As they were preparing the paperwork, the salesman told him, "your new Lada will be delivered to you in seven years."

The man replied, "morning or afternoon?"

The salesman blinked and said, "it's seven years from now. What difference can it possibly make?"

The man said, "well, the plumber is coming in the morning."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 28, 2024 06:34 PM (HnUIn)

211 Way to kill all hope. I guess we can still look forward to the burning times.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:20 PM (NtVYv)

I can't find it right now, but Bill Jacobsen over at "Legal Insurrection" has an article about not falling prey to the demoralization campaign. Various people will come on here into November to say "It's all over." I realize some of our "own" people do that too, but the left really wants people just to give up. As one guy we've all heard of said, "Fight! Fight! Fight!"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 28, 2024 06:35 PM (dTTBf)

212 Here's a shocker if true. The Clintons sold Arlington Cemetery plots to political donors!!

https://tinyurl.com/4v3628x5
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il matrimonio era di convenienza #05 at August 28, 2024 06:34 PM (qfLjt)
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Now will we seize on this, or will we pounce...

Posted by: Axeman at August 28, 2024 06:35 PM (krQz2)

213
I have a black belt in both SS and Lean. I even taught Lean. This should scare the pants off you, if you were wearing any. 🤣😂🤣
Posted by: Piper at August 28, 2024 06:24 PM (p4NUW)
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Tosses (CCSP), (CDP), (CEH), and (CISA) certs on the table.

I ain't scared.

We should have tea.

Posted by: Just Lily at August 28, 2024 06:36 PM (RLLZj)

214 Billy Jeff claimed a tax deduction on his used underwater.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2024 06:36 PM (qLP0s)

215 I remember when the factory I worked at went ISO 9000. They did it so they could meet European standards of quality. Never mind we already had a standard that was ISO compliant in place.

It was obvious to me, at the time, the EU was trying to close their markets to US goods without, you know, outright banning American products.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 28, 2024 06:37 PM (tT6L1)

216 .

NOOD

Quick Hits

NOOD

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 28, 2024 06:37 PM (O7YUW)

217 . Various people will come on here into November to say "It's all over." I realize some of our "own" people do that too,
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

The 'demoralize' them squad was here before the last election and I'm sure you're correct. They will be here as thick as thieves at the Olympics.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 28, 2024 06:37 PM (HC+WS)

218 167 >>>SAVE (Saving on a Valuable Education

A "valuable" "education" that can't be monetized to pay deadbeats' fucking bills.

Asshats.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 28, 2024 06:21 PM (i24o9)

======

The goal was never to make economically-viable citizens who could stand on their own legs.

The goal was to create midwit Marxist cadres who engage in non-stop Internet agitprop. In that regards it was very successful and quite valuable.

Posted by: Lurker at August 28, 2024 06:38 PM (CIeX+)

219 201
I know Massachusetts had no-fault insurance. Messy as rates went up even if one was a safe driver. The other guy wasn't.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il matrimonio era di convenienza #06 at August 28, 2024 06:39 PM (qfLjt)

220 Tosses (CCSP), (CDP), (CEH), and (CISA) certs on the table.

I ain't scared.

We should have tea.
Posted by: Just Lily at August 28, 2024 06:36 PM (RLLZj)

Oh yeah ?! well I have a CSCP ! so there ! hahaha. All that shit is in the attic in a box now. FML

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:39 PM (NtVYv)

221 It was customary to apply to buy a car on the birth of a child. The waiting list was long.

And then years later, it came out of the blue. "Come get your car". Had to pay cash, so borrowing from family members was also common. The Trabant was a 3 cylinder, 2-stroke engine small car with a body made of compressed wool and fiberglass. The colors were scheisse brown and insane asylum mauve or whatever. The fuel gage was a stick, or a ruler.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2024 06:40 PM (8vxoL)

222 I can't find it right now, but Bill Jacobsen over at "Legal Insurrection" has an article about not falling prey to the demoralization campaign. Various people will come on here into November to say "It's all over." I realize some of our "own" people do that too, but the left really wants people just to give up. As one guy we've all heard of said, "Fight! Fight! Fight!"
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 28, 2024 06:35 PM (dTTBf)

Or as we call it here: Thursdays

Posted by: Kindltot at August 28, 2024 06:40 PM (D7oie)

223 Crud, the only cert I have is for welding aluminum pipe.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 28, 2024 06:41 PM (tT6L1)

224 >>Billy Jeff claimed a tax deduction on his used underwater.

Posted by: Ben Had

I'm claiming a superfund site designation on mine.

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 28, 2024 06:41 PM (HQ9Sl)

225 Crud, the only cert I have is for welding aluminum pipe.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 28, 2024 06:41 PM

That actually has value !

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 28, 2024 06:42 PM (NtVYv)

226 "Duncanthrax,

I am writing to ask you to make a contribution to my campaign for President -- and to make that contribution today.

Not tomorrow, not next week. Today.

My daily challenge to myself is to be part of the solution, to be a joyful warrior in the battle to come.

My challenge to you, Duncanthrax, is to join that effort. To stand up for our ideals and our values.

Let's not throw up our hands when it's time to roll up our sleeves. Not now. Not tomorrow. Not ever.

Years from now, our children and our grandchildren will ask us where we were when the stakes were so high. They will ask us what it was like. I don't want us to just tell them how we felt. I want us to tell them what we did.

We are the underdogs in this election, and if we are going to win this election, we have to sweat the small stuff, because sometimes it turns out the small stuff is actually the big stuff.

I know a $25 contribution might seem small, but it is not."

-- Kamala Harris

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 28, 2024 06:43 PM (a3Q+t)

227 I think some don't understand cause and effect. Proximate cause.

I had a room mate who was pissed off that he had to pay higher premiums, because he'd had a DUI at some point. He didn't understand the concept of insurance, a mutual agreement on a voluntary basis. DUI laws might be stupid, but the idea that bad drivers should pay more to be insured is easy to understand.

Or put another way, I get a discount. Safe drivers, non-drunk drivers. Or just age out. A 24 year old single male in the Air Force who drives a camaro. Or a 54 year old married with 3 kids who works at a factory. One is a risk, one is a lot less of a risk.

Risk pooling. But the room mate thought, I guess, it was his right to get DUI and still get low, low rates. SR22 is what it is called.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2024 06:45 PM (8vxoL)

228 Way way back in the day - the Insurance industry position was, anybody dumb enough to finance an automobile was considered a poor risk, and thus should not be issued a policy.

A little different. There is actually not a requirement to buy auto insurance, but almost every state requires "proof of financial responsibility", effectively the same thing as insurance.

Nobody on the road without proof of financial responsibility. Seems reasonable to me. Because you know when you read the police blotter, even though they had no license, plates, or registration they were most scrupulous about keeping up their policies.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 28, 2024 06:49 PM (8vxoL)

229 223 Crud, the only cert I have is for welding aluminum pipe.

the only certs i have are the bronze swimming certificate and the silver swimming certificate

Posted by: arnold j. rimmer, bsc ssc at August 28, 2024 07:08 PM (oY6Yp)

230 Good but X would say that such a headline incites violent and hatred against those who promote such a policy and would get you banned. Its a shame that X believes that lies trump the truth.

Posted by: Jane at August 28, 2024 07:15 PM (bXvrr)

231 Ah, Nother day nother failure for the Biden Harris team.

Posted by: El Mariachi at August 28, 2024 07:17 PM (nLFEI)

232 It was obvious to me, at the time, the EU was trying to close their markets to US goods without, you know, outright banning American products. Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 28, 2024 06:37 PM (tT6L1)

remind me to explain how the whole GMO bullshit got started....

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