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Words You Can Trust

I have been thinking about words this week. Some words seem more reliable than others. Someone in my social media circle (who had been introduced to academic post-modernism/Neo-Marxism a little later in life than is usual) said in an otherwise rational exchange of comments about denouncing "Christian Nationalism" and substituting a utopian multicultural power-sharing form of "democracy" - - presented as an earthly Christian "Kingdom of Heaven":

I don't really care what it's called. Words are all made up anyway.

"Christian" and "Socialist" are totally interchangeable. More on that later.

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The quote below seems like a contrast to me. The words seem real. Do you notice a difference?

If printing money would end poverty, printing diplomas would end stupidity. - -

Javier Milei

diplomas jml.jpg

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Contranyms

A couple of decades ago, I learned about contranyms.

A contranym is a word that has two diametrically opposed meanings. For example, the word "dust" can mean the removal or application of dust (as in dust with powdered sugar), or "fast" which can mean speedy or stationary (to make fast a line on a sailboat).


Can you think of any other contranyms? Here's one that occurred to the author of this piece later:

"cover; covered; covering.
Once, when a reporter was covering something or someone, that meant they were trying to extract information that is generally unknown.
Now it means acting in a way to prevent information from becoming generally known. i.e. giving cover."

Back to the Substack piece:

Democrats are playing that game this election season. They always play it, but this time it is not for advantage, it is by necessity - and it has put their installed nominee in a tough spot.

I sort of get Kamala's situation.

I do not sympathize with her, but I do get it.

People wonder what she is doing now that Scranton Joe has taken to his beach lounger at his dacha on the Jersey Shore – but she cannot operate in her official capacity as Vice President because that would mean she would have to execute policies she now opposes. That would link her to the Biden Administration, one that she contronymically defines as both successful and not successful at the same time depending, of course, what she needs to highlight or hide from.

In Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll wrote:
When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.“
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master— that’s all.”

In all honesty, she can't come out with anything substantive because nobody in the Democrat power circle has told her what she is running on yet. In true San Fran Nan fashion, she is going to have to have a national convention first before she can see what she believes.

She has taken some baby steps.

Of course, she is for the standard Democrat stuff . . .

This was written on the eleventh. How much has changed since then in Kamala's Campaign of Joy? Has she filled in the details on any policies? Come out for or against any current policies of the Biden/Harris Administration?

The rest of the short piece includes some comments on Walz, a comparison to Obama, and an interesting comment about an early vacuous speech by Obama.

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The War Against "Christian Nationalists"

As suggested at the top of the post, someone in my social media world posted a clip from a sermon by a seminary student who is also a member of the Texas House of Representatives.

I am no theologian, but this guy is supposedly well on his way to finishing a course in a seminary, and he seems to have gotten some things wrong about the basics of Christianity, even for a Presbyterian. Here's the whole sermon.

Can anyone tell me if early Christians called themselves "The Way" instead of perhaps saying that they were following "The Way"?

Was "The Way" centered around sharing all things in common, along with refusal to participate in the surrounding economy, culture and military, or was there something more to "The Way"?

It seems that many people who came under suspicion of being American Christian Nationalists became aware of this term in about 2021. Yet the young man above associates them with the evils of the Emperor Constantine, the faults of all of Western Civilization, White Supremacy, as well as deep, intractable personal evils. All of Christianity must repent of Christian Nationalism. And perhaps for the existence of nations.

He has a dream, like MLK. The closest thing we have to the Kingdom of Heaven is a multi-racial, multi-cultural democracy where power is truly shared among all people. This is something that has yet to exist in human history.

This is what my friend agreed with in this video.

I thought of this man when I heard this dream of the Kingdom of Heaven.

gramsci christianity.png

That's where my friend said, "Does that need to be socialist, or Christian? I don't really care what it's called. Words are all made up anyway."

Apparently, the "Radical Love" Jesus taught is all about power sharing between racial and cultural groups, or something. Or between "all people". I am sketchy about the details, and about whether Chaz/Chop came close to the Christian ideal.

I looked up a few things. What can you say if someone asks if you are a Christian Nationalist?

C.S. Lewis on Christians in politics from the Screwtape Letters

Preacher Voddie Baucham on Christian Nationalism. He is speaking in the USA, but is presently a resident of Zambia, an official "Christian Nation" with freedom of religion, according to its constitution. (Remember David Livingston and his campaign against slavery?)

He says that Christian Nationalism is difficult to define because it is always meant as a pejorative. Educational video.

Incidentally, Zambia may be an officially Christian nation, but they owe China a lot of money for their railroad to the coast, for their construction capacity and other stuff. Here are African Kids doing Chinese Stuff.

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Weekend Musings

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dengism.jfif

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When people ask me what hurts/enrages me most about the woke destruction of our culture, it is this: they are joy-eaters, like Dementors.


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Music

God Bless America

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs


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Last week's thread, August 10, Black Swans and Swan Songs

Comments are closed so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.

Posted by: K.T. at 11:12 AM




Comments

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1 Hubba hubba, who do you trust?

Posted by: Jack Napier at August 17, 2024 11:17 AM (0eaVi)

2 We havr work here in America for s guy like Javier.

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 11:17 AM (o2ZRX)

3 Ds are all about the joy. I guess they eat it then send it out the other end to fuel the planet.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 17, 2024 11:18 AM (0eaVi)

4 Words can hurt. Maybe we should stop using words? Maybe use sign language instead.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 17, 2024 11:20 AM (0eaVi)

5 Charlie Kirk. Definitely worth a listen/watch.


https://tinyurl.com/4fx846fj

Posted by: LASue at August 17, 2024 11:23 AM (Kcw7x)

6 So much to digest!
Thank you, K.T. For the thought assignment.

Posted by: Appycay at August 17, 2024 11:23 AM (EdYR/)

7 Didn't see a nood on prior thread, so I just did it.

Posted by: olddog in mo at August 17, 2024 11:24 AM (jrPrO)

8 If printing money would end poverty, printing diplomas would end stupidity. - -
Javier Milei

I like this guy.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 17, 2024 11:24 AM (4Med0)

9 Can anyone tell me if early Christians called themselves "The Way" instead of perhaps saying that they were following "The Way"?

Was "The Way" centered around sharing all things in common, along with refusal to participate in the surrounding economy, culture and military, or was there something more to "The Way"?


I'm pretty sure they said "This is the way". And then they took off in space ships to rescue baby Yoda.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 17, 2024 11:24 AM (xCA6C)

10 Willowed:

Wow.

Okay, I found this funny and not disrespectful.

The main reason, of course, is that the assassination attempt was not successful.

YMMV.

Comedian does routine on Trump assassination attempt:

https://x.com/jason_howerton/status/1824569075441471999

Posted by: naturalfake at August 17, 2024 11:25 AM (eDfFs)

11 Cleave, which can mean adhere or divide.

Posted by: huerfano at August 17, 2024 11:25 AM (VGOMa)

12 The word table used as a verb has opposite meanings in the British Parliament and the US Congress. In Britain to table legislation means you are presenting it for consideration. In the US Congress it means you are pulling the bill from consideration. The British meaning makes much more sense to me. When we say "Put it on the table" we are telling someone to show us what they got. The way Congressman use the word is strange.

Posted by: Mark1971 at August 17, 2024 11:27 AM (xPl2J)

13 LASue at August 17, 2024 11:23 AM

The socialist preacher looks a lot like Charlie Kirk.

Posted by: KT at August 17, 2024 11:27 AM (xekrU)

14 Cleave, good one!

"My tongue cleaves to my palate. Could they have forgotten to send us wine?"

--Athelstane, prisoner of Reginald Front-de-Bouef.

Posted by: Tom Perry at August 17, 2024 11:28 AM (MX0bI)

15 Citation, which can be a recognition of merit or a traffic ticket.

Posted by: Tom Perry at August 17, 2024 11:29 AM (MX0bI)

16 Sanction. Can mean to support or punish.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 11:30 AM (+o2mc)

17 Why does a dunce cap look like a wizard's hat?

Posted by: BignJames at August 17, 2024 11:30 AM (AwYPR)

18 Back in the 70s I wore a button on my coveralls, it had an arrow pointing up and said ‘One Way’.

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 11:30 AM (Ofdre)

19 “I don't really care what it's called. Words are all made up anyway.”

If we don’t name a thing and agree on a definition, then there is no possibility of any analysis or even discussion about it. With no names, he has no more of an idea of what he’s pretending to talk about than my cat does.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 17, 2024 11:30 AM (gBVkZ)

20 I'm pretty sure they said "This is the way". And then they took off in space ships to rescue baby Yoda.
Posted by: Archimedes

The lesbian witches kidnapped baby Yoda and hid him inside the anus of a hyper speed whale. The Mandolorian has a tough assignment.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 17, 2024 11:31 AM (4Med0)

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People wonder what she is doing now that Scranton Joe has taken to his beach lounger at his dacha on the Jersey Shore

Delaware shore. Jersey beaches are nicer in my opinion. Especially the uninhabited barrier islands.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 11:31 AM (RKVpM)

22 Not for nothing is "Deng" pronounced "dung".

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 11:31 AM (VdhcA)

23 Remember that what some people call "cuckoldry" they call "neighborliness". Just ask David French.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 17, 2024 11:31 AM (1bNHn)

24 Dengism is basically fascism then.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 11:32 AM (+o2mc)

25 The British meaning makes much more sense to me. When we say "Put it on the table" we are telling someone to show us what they got. The way Congressman use the word is strange.
Posted by: Mark1971 at August 17, 2024 11:27 AM (xPl2J)

(looks at the weirdos in congress)

Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 17, 2024 11:32 AM (0eaVi)

26 "I don't really care what it's called. Words are all made up anyway."

Let's bring back grunting and gesticulating.

Posted by: BignJames at August 17, 2024 11:32 AM (AwYPR)

27 I am reading James Lindsay's book now, written with Helen Pluckrose. "Cynical Theories" gives us a workable, understandable overview of critical theory and post-modernism. It's excellent, and you can understand what's going on in our culture.

Posted by: PJU at August 17, 2024 11:32 AM (G1dq6)

28 “If printing money would end poverty, printing diplomas would end stupidity. - -
Javier Milei.”

That’s a truly brilliant quote; it’s not just a clever comparison. In each case, the action being taken *causes* the end which it is supposedly stopping.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 17, 2024 11:33 AM (gBVkZ)

29 Bad, sick, wicked, terrific are all common contranyms used as slang terms.

Posted by: Mark1971 at August 17, 2024 11:33 AM (xPl2J)

30 17 Why does a dunce cap look like a wizard's hat?
Posted by: BignJames at August 17, 2024 11:30 AM (AwYPR
Sorta confusing.

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 11:33 AM (Ofdre)

31 Words stray from their original meanings over time.
Some of my examples: "Incredible" is often used as a positive attribute ("That meal was incredible!"), but to me it means that something is not to be believed, because it has no credibility. It's a little short of calling something a lie, but not much.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 17, 2024 11:33 AM (MeG8a)

32 In our modern world, the word literally literally means literally and not literally.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 11:34 AM (GtZ7X)

33 The lesbian witches kidnapped baby Yoda and hid him inside the anus of a hyper speed whale. The Mandolorian has a tough assignment.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 17, 2024 11:31 AM (4Med0)

I hadn't kept up, what did they do, bring Stacy Abrams back and strap some engines to her?

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 17, 2024 11:35 AM (gBVkZ)

34 Can you think of any other contranyms?

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Cleave
Sanction


Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at August 17, 2024 11:35 AM (L/fGl)

35 Stakeholder used to have a legitimate business meaning -- it meant anyone who had an interest in the survival of a business. This goes beyond owners and includes lenders, suppliers who sell on terms, and employees who are owed money.

It's been coopted and corrupted by the ESG cabal so I no longer use it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 11:36 AM (+o2mc)

36 Eromero at August 17, 2024 11:33 AM (Ofdre)

31 Words stray from their original meanings over time.
Some of my examples: "Incredible" is often used as a positive attribute ("That meal was incredible!"), but to me it means that something is not to be believed, because it has no credibility. It's a little short of calling something a lie, but not much.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 17, 2024 11:33 AM (MeG8a)

I blame “That’s Incredible!!!”

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 17, 2024 11:37 AM (gBVkZ)

37 Anything which occurs in hypnotism or the posthypnotic
suggestion we can get in autosuggestion.

Finally any of these hypnotic phenomena may occur in everyday life, when we refer to the individual as "queer,” an hysteric, a neurotic, even as insane. For this reason hypnotism is of very great importance, and we refer to it as the "laboratory” of abnormal psychology."

Posted by: George Estabrooks at August 17, 2024 11:37 AM (ada2f)

38 26 "I don't really care what it's called. Words are all made up anyway."

Let's bring back grunting and gesticulating.
Posted by: BignJames at August 17, 2024 11:32 AM (AwYPR)

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Let's not forget scratching our ass!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 11:37 AM (+o2mc)

39 Deng Xiaoping

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Sounds like a ricochet off a cow patty.

(Stolen from Johnny Carson.)

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at August 17, 2024 11:38 AM (L/fGl)

40 “If printing money would end poverty, printing diplomas would end stupidity. - -
Javier Milei.”

That’s a truly brilliant quote; it’s not just a clever comparison. In each case, the action being taken *causes* the end which it is supposedly stopping.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 17, 2024 11:33 AM (gBVkZ)

The problem is, they ARE printing diplomas (and advanced degrees, titles) for truly stupid people. Effectively for the same reason as printing money, which is to create the illusion that things are one way, when they are not.

Same thing happening in the military, where there are now metric shit tons of Generals wandering all over the place, but it seems damn near none of them know anything about fighting and killing invaders.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 11:38 AM (GtZ7X)

41 I blame “That’s Incredible!!!”
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 17, 2024 11:37 AM (gBVkZ)
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Not "The Incredibles?"

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 11:38 AM (VdhcA)

42 Morning.

James Lindsay is doing great work illustrating the communist scaffolding being constructed around society.

Posted by: Robert at August 17, 2024 11:38 AM (X6qmc)

43 Obama ran a 100% vive campaign. Worked for him. Biden did a vibe campaign as well while hiding in the basement. His vibe was I’m not Trump.

As the saying goes if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

Posted by: Hey now at August 17, 2024 11:39 AM (D4ItZ)

44 11 Cleave, which can mean adhere or divide.
Posted by: huerfano at August 17, 2024 11:25 AM (VGOMa)

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Used in a sentence:

"I was quite the beaver cleaver in my day."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 11:39 AM (+o2mc)

45 Perhaps if the student had read the Bible at some point, he'd understand what Christians - Nationalists or otherwise - mean by following The Way. Hint: synonyms are "The Truth" and "The Light".

Jesus Christ was not a Communist. The party leaders always pretend they're gods.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 17, 2024 11:39 AM (NWJig)

46 And if words are made up...in other words, lack defined meaning...that guy should communicate with grunts. See how far he gets.

Posted by: Robert at August 17, 2024 11:40 AM (X6qmc)

47 As for Deng, I'd have to put more effort into it, but that description of "Dengism" does sound like our current situation... but it also sounds an awful lot like what that blustery Italian dude, and his German pal with the funny mustache were doing.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 11:40 AM (GtZ7X)

48 "Words are all made up anyway" is a pretty good explanation of why my college never had a course numbered Philosophy 101.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 17, 2024 11:40 AM (zdLoL)

49 From the above, I expect the young man cited embraces the very common misconception that Constantine established Christianity as Rome's official religion. That is flat out false. All he did was declare it tolerated, and embraced it on his deathbed. It was Theodosius, almost at the end of the 4th C who established it.

In the interim, most of the emperors were Christian, but not Orthodox/Catholic. Most actually favored Arianism.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 17, 2024 11:40 AM (1bNHn)

50 Same thing happening in the military, where there are now metric shit tons of Generals wandering all over the place, but it seems damn near none of them know anything about fighting and killing invaders.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 11:38 AM (GtZ7X)
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The Mexican army of the 1920s had about 15,000 men, of whom about 5,000 were officers. Of that number, about 300 were general officers.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 11:41 AM (VdhcA)

51 35 Stakeholder used to have a legitimate business meaning -- it meant anyone who had an interest in the survival of a business. This goes beyond owners and includes lenders, suppliers who sell on terms, and employees who are owed money.

It's been coopted and corrupted by the ESG cabal so I no longer use it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 11:36 AM (+o2mc)
Or those who drive te stake through the monster’s heart?
‘America, where are you now, don’t you care about your sons and daughters?’

- S. Wolf

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 11:41 AM (Ofdre)

52 My favorite "nyms" are aptronyms. This is when somebody's name has a connection to their occupation. Like Ronald Reagan's spokesman Larry Speakes or the old Steelers quarterback Willie Thrower. There are a lot of examples of these. It's so weird how it happens. I love seeing them.

Posted by: Mark1971 at August 17, 2024 11:41 AM (xPl2J)

53 And if words are made up...in other words, lack defined meaning...that guy should communicate with grunts. See how far he gets.
Posted by: Robert at August 17, 2024 11:40 AM (X6qmc)

It's really just a long winded way of saying pointy headed academics, elites, corporate media, propagandists, and politicians all use words to confuse and obfuscate.

The purpose is to fool the poopulace, not inform.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 11:42 AM (GtZ7X)

54 A favorite contranym from my job:Oversight.

To be watched closely for errors, and to carelessly make an error.

Posted by: Advo at August 17, 2024 11:42 AM (jO4mz)

55 Can you think of any other contranyms?

Cleave
It can mean cut or adhere.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 17, 2024 11:43 AM (IG4Id)

56
In the interim, most of the emperors were Christian, but not Orthodox/Catholic. Most actually favored Arianism.
Posted by: Eeyore at August 17, 2024 11:40 AM (1bNHn)

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Julian, Constantine's nephew, attempted to steer the Empire back to paganism. He had some success except that his reign only lasted a few years.

This accounts for the sobriquet "Julian the Apostate."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 11:43 AM (+o2mc)

57 That was a good routine! I've sort of given up on comedy.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 17, 2024 11:43 AM (dDSBl)

58 Same thing happening in the military, where there are now metric shit tons of Generals wandering all over the place, but it seems damn near none of them know anything about fighting and killing invaders.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 11:38 AM (GtZ7X)
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The Mexican army of the 1920s had about 15,000 men, of whom about 5,000 were officers. Of that number, about 300 were general officers.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 11:41 AM (VdhcA)

That makes sense. We're importing their people, we might as well import their military principles.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 11:43 AM (GtZ7X)

59 I don't really care what it's called. Words are all made up anyway.
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While that is strictly true that words are made up, it doesn't follow that they mean whatever we choose. Tools and other artifacts are made up, too. That doesn't mean you can use them interchangeably. If you doubt that, try driving a tent down the interstate. Words are useful BECAUSE they don't have free-flowing meanings.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 17, 2024 11:44 AM (1bNHn)

60 My favorite "nyms" are aptronyms. This is when somebody's name has a connection to their occupation. Like Ronald Reagan's spokesman Larry Speakes or the old Steelers quarterback Willie Thrower. There are a lot of examples of these. It's so weird how it happens. I love seeing them.
Posted by: Mark1971 at August 17, 2024 11:41 AM (xPl2J)
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Fire Chief Sam Sparks of Santa Ana.

Or my personal favorite: Cardinal Sin of Manila.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 11:44 AM (VdhcA)

61 22 'Not for nothing is "Deng" pronounced "dung".'

I'm guaranteed pushback on this but Deng Xiao Ping was probably the best Chinese leader of the 20th Century.
He rolled back the lethal Maoist stupidity.
He built China's economy.
He cooperated with us against the USSR.

Most people look at Deng through the lens of today but looking at him from the 70s and 80s, he was the best available.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 17, 2024 11:45 AM (3wi/L)

62 Julian, Constantine's nephew, attempted to steer the Empire back to paganism. He had some success except that his reign only lasted a few years.

This accounts for the sobriquet "Julian the Apostate."
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 11:43 AM (+o2mc)
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Went off and got himself killed fighting Persians.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 11:46 AM (VdhcA)

63 I found this on the interwebs, so I'll share:

https://is.gd/BU8QKN

BTW, this "group" is affiliated with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, not the Sothern Baptist Convention.

https://bjconline.org/

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, Bay Area Stochasticly Weird Housekeeping Influencer at August 17, 2024 11:46 AM (PiwSw)

64 Or my personal favorite: Cardinal Sin of Manila.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 11:44 AM (VdhcA)

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His name had to influence his selection as cardinal. It was just too good to pass up.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 11:46 AM (+o2mc)

65 Words stray from their original meanings over time.
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Well - is that a good thing? Ultimately, in order to pervert people, ya gotta pervert words first. They have this down to a science.

Innocuous phrases, euphemisms to describe atrocities in the "news". Words are carefully chosen to obscure meanings or impart useful information.

Writing in fact, at least in the print media or internet often is so bad, it takes MORE work to write so badly, when the object is to lie and obfuscate. Think about that. Maybe that's why it takes a "team" to write a simple article of what/where/who/when etc. That isn't the goal any longer. It's just a constant stream of nutbar democrat-approved talking points on the screen.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2024 11:46 AM (ada2f)

66 Honestly, damn near everything is a contranym these days.

Our democracy
Social media
The American nation
Free speech
Crime
Sex
Safety
Education

And on and on and on

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 11:47 AM (GtZ7X)

67
"Apparently, the "Radical Love" Jesus taught is all about power sharing between racial and cultural groups, or something."

This is neither apparent nor is it true.

Jesus came to be King of the Jews.

Matthew 15:
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

Jesus' entire ministry was to the Jews who had read the prophesies and were prepared to receive the Messiah.

Only after Jesus ascended to heaven was Paul, and only Paul, given a ministry to the Gentiles.
The rest of Jesus' disciples, including Peter, were to minister to the Jews.
For the first 2 centuries, Jews were the majority of Christian converts.

Posted by: Speller at August 17, 2024 11:48 AM (pSotA)

68 At one of the doctor's offices I dealt with when I was doing disability, they had a Doctor Butcher.

I'd stay away from him.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 11:49 AM (VdhcA)

69 26 "I don't really care what it's called. Words are all made up anyway."

Let's bring back grunting and gesticulating.
Posted by: BignJames at August 17, 2024 11:32 AM (AwYPR)

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Let's not forget scratching our ass!


Don't ignore banging on a log with a human femur.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 17, 2024 11:49 AM (xCA6C)

70 I've never heard "put on a table" for legislation. I've heard "table", especially in local government when something has to be reviewed for a decision.

Learn something new every week at Ace of Spades University & Shelving Emporium.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 17, 2024 11:50 AM (NWJig)

71 I'm guaranteed pushback on this but Deng Xiao Ping was probably the best Chinese leader of the 20th Century.
He rolled back the lethal Maoist stupidity.
He built China's economy.
He cooperated with us against the USSR.

Most people look at Deng through the lens of today but looking at him from the 70s and 80s, he was the best available.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 17, 2024 11:45 AM (3wi/L)

I'm sure all of that is true. Even more controversial, from the viewpoint of the Chinese Communist Party, if the U.S. was basically going to lay there and let you rape it, why wouldn't you?

I'm always mystified by people who complain about what Chi Nah is doing these days, imposing itself all over the world, bigfooting wherever it goes.

Why wouldn't they? We invited them to do so. It's hardly their fault they're good at it, and it's working.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 11:50 AM (GtZ7X)

72 My favorite "nyms" are aptronyms. This is when somebody's name has a connection to their occupation. Like Ronald Reagan's spokesman Larry Speakes or the old Steelers quarterback Willie Thrower. There are a lot of examples of these. It's so weird how it happens. I love seeing them.

How about a proctologist named Seymour Butts.

Posted by: That guy who is unclear on the concept but likes juvenile humor at August 17, 2024 11:51 AM (xCA6C)

73 Don't ignore banging on a log with a human femur.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 17, 2024 11:49 AM (xCA6C)
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Bangin' on the bongos like a chimpanzee
Oh, that ain't workin'...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 11:51 AM (VdhcA)

74 >>>>>How about a proctologist named Seymour Butts.

Or a gynecologist named Harry Beaver.

Posted by: Mark1971 at August 17, 2024 11:51 AM (xPl2J)

75 While that is strictly true that words are made up, it doesn't follow that they mean whatever we choose. Tools and other artifacts are made up, too. That doesn't mean you can use them interchangeably. If you doubt that, try driving a tent down the interstate. Words are useful BECAUSE they don't have free-flowing meanings.
Posted by: Eeyore at August 17, 2024 11:44 AM (1bNHn)

It's like Humpty Dumpty said, it's about being master.

Of course "being" and "master" are just made up. All that's left after that is to punch a guy in the face and abscond with his woman.

Posted by: Robert at August 17, 2024 11:52 AM (X6qmc)

76 I'm guaranteed pushback on this but Deng Xiao Ping was probably the best Chinese leader of the 20th Century.
He rolled back the lethal Maoist stupidity.
He built China's economy.
He cooperated with us against the USSR.

Most people look at Deng through the lens of today but looking at him from the 70s and 80s, he was the best available.
Posted by: Dr. Claw

IMO, Deng’s policies were just a step in Mao Ze Dung’s wet dream- conquering the US. They are having great success.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 17, 2024 11:52 AM (4Med0)

77 I'm guaranteed pushback on this but Deng Xiao Ping was probably the best Chinese leader of the 20th Century.

Better than Sun Yat-Sen?

Posted by: That guy who is unclear on the concept but likes juvenile humor at August 17, 2024 11:52 AM (xCA6C)

78 I got a cervical epidural steroid injection from Doctor Spear.

Posted by: Bill Needle at August 17, 2024 11:53 AM (CV8a5)

79 "Christian Nationalism" is absolutely a two-pronged attack on the Republic. The first part is designed to goad Christians to adopt the moniker out of a response to the left's hatred of all US institutions. "I'm Christian. I'm American. What's wrong with that? F U, leftist!"

The second is the infiltration of the Christian institutions. Churches are being re-programmed with marxist subversion. Leftists are using it as a shield and cudgel. "Jesus said love thy neighbor so you must accept every perversion and method of your own destruction."

Be very cautious. Power is the ability to get someone to do something they wouldn't do without another's influence. Don't pick up their knife and stab yourself out of reaction.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 17, 2024 11:53 AM (IG4Id)

80 50 Same thing happening in the military, where there are now metric shit tons of Generals wandering all over the place, but it seems damn near none of them know anything about fighting and killing invaders.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 11:38 AM (GtZ7X)
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The Mexican army of the 1920s had about 15,000 men, of whom about 5,000 were officers. Of that number, about 300 were general officers.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 11:41 AM (VdhcA)
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In Ozma of Oz, the Ozite army has one private, two corporals, three sergeants, etc. A the end the private is promoted to Field Marshal.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 17, 2024 11:53 AM (1bNHn)

81 Captain Obvious,

In my home town we had a Dr. Butcher a, Dr. Slaughter, and a dentist named Dr. Fang.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at August 17, 2024 11:55 AM (3DZIZ)

82 Captain Obvious,

In my home town we had a Dr. Butcher a, Dr. Slaughter, and a dentist named Dr. Fang.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at August 17, 2024 11:55 AM (3DZIZ)
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One of the docs whose office I dealt with was William Barrett. I kept mentally adding "Travis" to his name.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 11:56 AM (VdhcA)

83 That young man is no Christian, himself. "If you have a beer you don't give it away to friends."

First of all, I want to share my beer. And my lemonade. And my water. It's how you treat people in a loving manner.

Second of all, if my beer would save my friend's life I would give it to him, not in part but in whole. Heck, I'd give it to him, then go get more. And I'd spread it around to people I didn't call friend. Heck, I might even give it to my enemy, if it might bring him around to my side.

See, he thinks this is all just a religion - meaning, to him, as to many modernists, an organized thing about attending church and being part of a group - and therefore has no meaning or consequence. It's all just a thing we do. When, in reality it is a way of living and a way of being, all centered on an actual supernatural being who is our Creator and Redeemer and Sustainer.

Then he starts in on Christian Nationalism and ... oof, I couldn't even take listening through his definition because he's accepting the Progressive (anti-Christian) definition. I'm going to try and listen to the rest of it, but it's going to be hard.

Posted by: GWB at August 17, 2024 11:56 AM (CrXxA)

84 Ahoy, any country that has more admirals than boats is not a serious place.

Posted by: Kapitan Kristol at August 17, 2024 11:56 AM (CV8a5)

85 Not having a good day

Posted by: Skip at August 17, 2024 11:57 AM (UK4rM)

86 If you have the clap, Dr. Burns is your man.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 17, 2024 11:57 AM (4Med0)

87 Don't ignore banging on a log with a human femur.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 17, 2024 11:49 AM (xCA6C)

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Reminds me of the Mad magazine parody of 2001: A Space Odyssey.

The movie had the classic scene where the Monolith-enhanced ape, having hit upon using a femur as a weapon, maniacally begins smashing the bones of a tapir. It then throws the femur into the air, spinning, and the scene morphs to a space ship orbiting above the Earth. Five million years of history covered in one take.

In the Mad version, they cut to one of the astronauts on board the ship, who says, "hey, someone just hit our ship with a bone."

I thought it was funny anyway.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 11:58 AM (+o2mc)

88 In Ozma of Oz, the Ozite army has one private, two corporals, three sergeants, etc. A the end the private is promoted to Field Marshal.
Posted by: Eeyore at August 17, 2024 11:53 AM (1bNHn)

Until some Colonel Captain executes a coup, and installs himself as emperor for life.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 11:58 AM (GtZ7X)

89 There are two (2) and only two ways to get somebody to do something.

You can try to persuade, or you can use force. It's pretty easy to see what course our betters are using at this point.

I've been riffing on reading a lot of the spook shit done in extension of Nazi war experimentation imported to the USA after the war. The mind control and manipulation of attitudes and beliefs.

Chemical and biological, as well as cults, occult ceremonies, ESP or telepathy, and electronic means of hypnosis and unconscious "learning". I think it's at least safe to observe that Americans have been fucked with psychologically since the 1950s at least to a degree that is unmatched in history.

And it is coming apart at the seams, which was after all the objective. Virtually every weapon to "protect our democracy" has been turned around and deployed against the citizenry. I guess that's the human condition - it's easier than going after the bad guys.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2024 11:58 AM (ada2f)

90 75 While that is strictly true that words are made up, it doesn't follow that they mean whatever we choose. Tools and other artifacts are made up, too. That doesn't mean you can use them interchangeably. If you doubt that, try driving a tent down the interstate. Words are useful BECAUSE they don't have free-flowing meanings.
Posted by: Eeyore at August 17, 2024 11:44 AM (1bNHn)

It's like Humpty Dumpty said, it's about being master.

Of course "being" and "master" are just made up. All that's left after that is to punch a guy in the face and abscond with his woman.
Posted by: Robert at August 17, 2024 11:52 AM (X6qmc)
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Louis IX once said "I can argue with you like a philosopher, or I can cut your head off."

Since the Left refuses to argue, well, where does that leave us?

BTW, how did the colonoscopy go? I had one in July. Hated every one I ever had. (Well, actually hate the prep. No problem with being unconscious.)

Posted by: Eeyore at August 17, 2024 12:00 PM (1bNHn)

91 In the Mad version, they cut to one of the astronauts on board the ship, who says, "hey, someone just hit our ship with a bone."

I thought it was funny anyway.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 11:58 AM (+o2mc)
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Their version of Dr. Floyd complains to the stewardess that if he has anything more to eat, he'll throw up.

"Sir, we're in space. You can't throw up."

"Well, how about throw out??"

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 12:01 PM (VdhcA)

92 The Mexican army of the 1920s had about 15,000 men, of whom about 5,000 were officers. Of that number, about 300 were general officers.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 11:41 AM (VdhcA)

I remember a newstory decades back stating Canada had one general for every tank.

Sounded right...

Posted by: Stateless at August 17, 2024 12:01 PM (jvJvP)

93
Eggs - $5.09 per dozen. Four more years!

/ local store, not Aldi's. But still. Insane.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 12:02 PM (RKVpM)

94 67
...This is neither apparent nor is it true.

Jesus came to be King of the Jews.

Matthew 15:
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

Jesus' entire ministry was to the Jews who had read the prophesies and were prepared to receive the Messiah.
...
For the first 2 centuries, Jews were the majority of Christian converts.
Posted by: Speller at August 17, 2024 11:48 AM (pSotA)
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Jews, Samaritans, and sometimes Roman soldiers. Your account is incomplete.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 17, 2024 12:03 PM (1bNHn)

95 Maoist is Stalinist

Posted by: steevy at August 17, 2024 12:03 PM (HJ9BW)

96 Colonoscopy went well, thanks! Afterwards, I got a chicken sammich from chikfila and a strawberry shake. I was starving.

The pooping wasn't the problem for me. The fasting was. I'm a man that likes to eat!

Posted by: Robert at August 17, 2024 12:03 PM (X6qmc)

97 Eggs - $5.09 per dozen. Four more years!

/ local store, not Aldi's. But still. Insane.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

Damn.

$1.69 at Wally World this morning.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 17, 2024 12:03 PM (4Med0)

98 ‘Oo ee oo ah ah, ting tang walla walla bing bang.’
Say it once why say it again?
But they did say it again.

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 12:04 PM (o2ZRX)

99 Eggs - $5.09 per dozen. Four more years!

/ local store, not Aldi's. But still. Insane.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

Damn.

$1.69 at Wally World this morning.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 17, 2024 12:03 PM (4Med0)

Hmmm...price gauging ?

Posted by: BignJames at August 17, 2024 12:05 PM (AwYPR)

100 While I don't ascribe any extra-testicle activity to it, I believe it was Apollo 11 or one of the lunar missions, the crew distinctly heard a knock on the hull one night. Or day, or whatever it was. Probably a hydraulic pump or valve, but it must have been a bit strange.

I was at 9000 feet in a blizzard alone oncet on an old logging road in a NF in my camper trailer and someone knocked on the door around 2:30 from a deep sleep. That was pretty weird too. (Not a tweaker or escaped felon, thankfully, I helped a stranded motorist who was probably hypothermic at this point)

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2024 12:05 PM (ada2f)

101 This is funny.

https://instapundit.com/667489/

Posted by: Robert at August 17, 2024 12:06 PM (X6qmc)

102 Here's the deal. As a Jew, I would prefer a Christian Nationalist regime to the one we have, for these two reasons:

1.) I do not believe that such a regime would go so far as to attempt to put all the Jews to the sword, and I believe this one will do just that at some point, probably in my own lifetime, and all Christians, too. Probably them first.

2.) if they do go so far as to put all Jews to the sword, then I'd rather be put to the sword by the gentiles than these godless fucking swine.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 17, 2024 12:07 PM (0FoWg)

103 There are two (2) and only two ways to get somebody to do something.

You can try to persuade, or you can use force. It's pretty easy to see what course our betters are using at this point.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2024 11:58 AM (ada2f)

There's a concept/technique in healthcare called "motivational interviewing."

Basically, it's using a series of questions/comments to get the person to persuade themselves.

If you want your patient to lose weight, you ask him how it feels to be out of breath all the time, to not be able to play with his kids.

If you want your patient to stop drinking, you ask what would happen if he got a DUI, how his wife views his drinking, his family, his boss, etc.

The person comes to the conclusion that changing behavior is in their own interest, and you don't have to persuade them of anything.

Doctors who do try to tell patients what to do, often get the patient nodding in agreement in the office, and then going home and not following the advice.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 12:07 PM (GtZ7X)

104 Federalism is a contranym.

Posted by: mediapostate at August 17, 2024 12:08 PM (qLvR/)

105 "I don't really care what it's called. Words are all made up anyway."

Sounds Orwellian .. War is Peace ...

Currently the trend is to change words from solid meanings to free flowing opposite world. Men can be women, freedom of speech does not include "hate speech" or anti-state speech.

And currently, recognizing the problems of corporatism has been called "anti-capitalism". "They" intend to confuse us (the masses) on every issue, while they rob us blind and grab more control.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 17, 2024 12:09 PM (Cus5s)

106 I like the Trump/Elon Staying Alive better.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 17, 2024 12:09 PM (dDSBl)

107 Grade inflation at skools and rank inflation in the military are serious problems!

Posted by: Major Asshole at August 17, 2024 12:10 PM (CV8a5)

108 93
Eggs - $5.09 per dozen. Four more years!

/ local store, not Aldi's. But still. Insane.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 12:02 PM (RKVpM)


Almost $7 Canadian for 18 eggs yesterday here in my part of Canada. But we ususally get them on sale for lower.

Just checked the nice meat store. Boneless Skinless chicken breasts $5 a pound.

Posted by: Stateless at August 17, 2024 12:11 PM (jvJvP)

109 102 Here's the deal. As a Jew, I would prefer a Christian Nationalist regime to the one we have, for these two reasons:

1.) I do not believe that such a regime would go so far as to attempt to put all the Jews to the sword, and I believe this one will do just that at some point, probably in my own lifetime, and all Christians, too. Probably them first.

2.) if they do go so far as to put all Jews to the sword, then I'd rather be put to the sword by the gentiles than these godless fucking swine.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 17, 2024 12:07 PM (0FoWg
Right there with you on that. But first……we fight to the last round…..then go to the blade.

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 12:11 PM (o2ZRX)

110 For the first 2 centuries, Jews were the majority of Christian converts.
Posted by: Speller at August 17, 2024 11:48 AM (pSotA)
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Jews, Samaritans, and sometimes Roman soldiers. Your account is incomplete.
Posted by: Eeyore at August 17, 2024 12:03 PM (1bNHn)

The Gospel of Matthew was written primarily FOR the Jews. So was Mark.

Luke was not, nor was John. Or the Epistles of Paul.

Matthew, taken by itself is by definition, an incomplete account.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 12:12 PM (GtZ7X)

111 93
Eggs - $5.09 per dozen. Four more years!



That’s cage free, gmo free, locally sourced, organic eggs right? Cuz at Walmart you can get eggs for $3 a dozen. At least at my local Walmarts. If yiu want the fancy schmancy eggs then yeah $6 or even $8 a dozen is the going rate.

Posted by: Hey now at August 17, 2024 12:13 PM (D4ItZ)

112 I paid $3.89 for jumbo eggs at Food Lion yesterday, was $2.49 two weeks ago.

Posted by: Kamala, Help! at August 17, 2024 12:13 PM (CV8a5)

113 That’s cage free, gmo free, locally sourced, organic eggs right? Cuz at Walmart you can get eggs for $3 a dozen. At least at my local Walmarts. If yiu want the fancy schmancy eggs then yeah $6 or even $8 a dozen is the going rate.
Posted by: Hey now at August 17, 2024 12:13 PM (D4ItZ)


From what I understand, you want to get eggs that were gently coaxed from the chicken.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 12:15 PM (vYDwg)

114 Estabrooks book on Hypnosis is available online in .pdf form. He was quite the nutcase, writing to J. Edgar often, offering his services. He also tried to sign on with military intelligence, and the FBI warned him not to imply he was employed by them. It looks like maybe somebody finally hired him.

It's OK to use persuasion, or allow the socratic method in order to get people to use their own brain to think for themselves, if that makes sense. Unscrupulous people aren't operating that way.

It is a perversion of this process, sometimes called "Manufactured consent". The illusion of participatory democracy. Like, what we've had for decades.

When that no longer works - as is evident now to almost everyone - well then things get more or less complicated. The WuHan debacle was a case study on manipulation and control, carrot and stick, the whole nine yards.

I can't always determine the "truth" by myself, but I have become adept at discerning a huge pile of horse shit. People with good intentions don't need to baffle people with bullshit and parlor tricks and hypnotic suggestion to get them to come over to their side.

Watch Fauci talking to a brother in the Hood about Vax.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2024 12:15 PM (ada2f)

115 Best way to get someone to do something is show them what’s in it for them. I have to deal with this a lot at work. Telling someone do this, never works. Telling someone, if you do this, here is how it will benefit you, usually works.

Posted by: Hey now at August 17, 2024 12:15 PM (D4ItZ)

116 An incredibly insightful post K.T.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 12:15 PM (XeU6L)

117 2.) if they do go so far as to put all Jews to the sword, then I'd rather be put to the sword by the gentiles than these godless fucking swine.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 17, 2024 12:07 PM (0FoWg)

Not the same, but got me thinking... when WWIII starts, would I prefer to be incinerated instantly by a Russian nook, or die the slow death from nukular fallout from the American nooks fired first to prevent the Ruskies from firing theirs?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 12:16 PM (GtZ7X)

118 Right there with you on that. But first……we fight to the last round…..then go to the blade.
Posted by: Eromero

Hopefully, after the last round, we wield the blade.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 17, 2024 12:17 PM (4Med0)

119 77
'Better than Sun Yat-Sen?'

Better as a man? No.

Better as a leader of China? Yes. Sun left China weak, divided by civil war and open to conquest by Japan.

Deng left China as the powerful juggernaut we are stuck with.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 17, 2024 12:17 PM (3wi/L)

120 Brazil forced Musk to shut down all twitter/X offices in Brazil. Their “justice” minister said he would arrest all employees if Musk didn’t comply with his censorship demands, so Musk closed all the offices and let go all of his employees in Brazil.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 17, 2024 12:19 PM (gBVkZ)

121 Brazil forced Musk to shut down all twitter/X offices in Brazil. Their “justice” minister said he would arrest all employees if Musk didn’t comply with his censorship demands, so Musk closed all the offices and let go all of his employees in Brazil.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 17, 2024 12:19 PM (gBVkZ)
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Whatever happened to Bolsonaro?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 12:19 PM (VdhcA)

122 Best way to get someone to do something is show them what’s in it for them. I have to deal with this a lot at work. Telling someone do this, never works. Telling someone, if you do this, here is how it will benefit you, usually works.

Posted by: Hey now at August 17, 2024 12:15 PM (D4ItZ)

My summary of motivational interviewing was incomplete, because it's Saturday, and I'm not getting paid to lecture.

Another aspect of it is to use the person's own words, and reflect them back to them.

So if they say "I want to quit smoking, but I don't know how." You can simply repeat it back to them, and in a series of back and forth statements, when they say "but smoking helps calm me down," you just repeat it, and getting them to further expound, when they say "but I don't want to die from cancer," you've got a hook: "You like how it makes you feel, it calms you down, but it scares you to think it's killing you."

The person hears their own words reflected back at them, sometimes with an extension of what they said, not exactly in their own words, but an honest summary of them, and the person hears it clearly. "Yeah, I like smoking, but I don't want to die."

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 12:21 PM (GtZ7X)

123 "Christian Nationalist" has very specific connotations. It is a slur, if you don't realize that.

And a technical one. You might be Christian, and that's not bad, right? I mean - not yet unlawful or anything outright, though .... well never mind. You might be a Nationalist. That's not bad either, depending on who you ask. But the people slinging that around view it as the Worst Thing Ever.

When they say "Black Nationalist", they mean someone who wants their own "homeland". Dr. Ben Carson is a "Black Nationalist" if you want to get technical about it. He might disagree, but I doubt it. He isn't the race supremacist version, however. I reckon.

That's what this is about, simply by being "White" you are an Un-person. Racial Supremacist! White Supremacist!

The wind-up is, after a while - people start to thinking maybe them Nazis was on to something. Mission Accomplished. See! I TOLD YOU they was a bunch of Nazis! It's quite brilliant, if unspeakably vile. Your Democrats at work, your tax dollars at work, and the Leviathon state.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2024 12:21 PM (ada2f)

124 Brazil forced Musk to shut down all twitter/X offices in Brazil. Their “justice” minister said he would arrest all employees if Musk didn’t comply with his censorship demands, so Musk closed all the offices and let go all of his employees in Brazil.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 17, 2024 12:19 PM (gBVkZ)

He's not a justice minister, he's an unelected judge.

And Musk didn't "let go" all his employees, he gave them the choice to leave. It would be more accurate to say this is an ongoing battle, and it's possible Musk will win in the end, because people like their twatter, and it's on this judge that he is trying to impose his will on a people who didn't elect him to do squat.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 12:25 PM (GtZ7X)

125
That's funny, I just made a dash over to wiki to look up Sun Yat-sen before I posted, but I see someone beat me to it. No matter how closely I've read about the overthrow of the Qing, I could never figure out what happened to Sun. It looks like he was all-in on communism and socialism.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 17, 2024 12:26 PM (lCaJd)

126 Response to are you a Christian Nationalist?

I am a son of the King most high. Your labels are contrivances of this world. This world is not my home. Have a nice day and put some effort into using that thing between your shoulders.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * unburdened at August 17, 2024 12:27 PM (/Z6yl)

127 Christianity and Nationalism are two separate things.

But uniting with other Christians to accomplish political ends is great. The founders were almost all Protestants, yet provided that separation thang ... no laws forcing religion (at the federal level?).

"Organizing" is pursuing our own interests and ideology, while keeping freedom of religion and the other rights. The leftists don't want us to organize, they alone are supposed to do that (by their rules). So they slander us with the "Christian Nationalist" term, and imply "White Supremacist", if they don't directly say it.

I will unite with any American that believes in the constitution and that opposes the current "DeepState Rule".

Posted by: illiniwek at August 17, 2024 12:27 PM (Cus5s)

128
Watch Fauci talking to a brother in the Hood about Vax.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2024 12:15 PM


I saw that video. It's a smoking gun. He brags about working on this vaccine for "20 years". Which ties it to a mild version of a corona virus in the year 2002.

Why would you need a vaccine for a mild corona virus from the year 2002 which did not even hit a grand total of four digit fatalities in 60 countries?

How he walks the streets of this country a free man is only a testament to how far we have fallen.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 12:28 PM (RKVpM)

129 I saw Four Digit Fatalities open for the Crash Test Dummies back in the day.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 12:30 PM (VdhcA)

130 Thought provoking piece.

Kamala finally laid out her economic plans last week.

She’d spend trillions more we don’t have to put us into 70s style inflation with more freebies to give away, more taxes to pay for them, more regulations, and price controls that would strangle the economy.

Meanwhile Trump wants to open up the spigots on energy, which by itself would lower prices on everything and spur real growth instead of the Fed & Treasury printing & spending our way to positive GDP.



Posted by: SpeakingOf at August 17, 2024 12:31 PM (6ydKt)

131 Almost $7 Canadian for 18 eggs yesterday here in my part of Canada. But we ususally get them on sale for lower.

Just checked the nice meat store. Boneless Skinless chicken breasts $5 a pound.
Posted by: Stateless at August 17, 2024 12:11 PM (jvJvP)

Local farmer is selling them here for 3.50 per dozen. Wally World is 4.99 I think.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 17, 2024 12:32 PM (HZLHo)

132 So far, everyone I've heard using the term Christian Nationalist have shut up when I tell them that is an extremely offensive, made-up, focus group cleared term. Designed specifically to sound vaguely ominous and Nazi-like.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 17, 2024 12:32 PM (W/lyH)

133 How he walks the streets of this country a free man is only a testament to how far we have fallen.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 12:28 PM (RKVpM)

The overlords believe they have won. In other formerly free nations, they have captured the means of communication, much more fully than they have here.

But they're trying.

If Americans allow the left to shut down alternate sources of information, we will have lost. But the tipping point hasn't yet been reached, and while it's infuriating that a Fauci is still worshipped by some, a larger and larger swath of the poopulation views him as a fraud, a clown. When he announces he's got the Covids for the 3rd time, after his six boosters, he's not helping their cause.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 12:34 PM (GtZ7X)

134 I love eggcorns.

Anyway Orwell showed us exactly what the Left would do with language. What’s sadly funny is they have no self awareness that they are following 1984 to the T.

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 12:34 PM (B1dzx)

135 Test question . Is this a metaphor, a simile or an agnolotti?

If printing money would end poverty, printing diplomas would end stupidity. - -

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 12:36 PM (B1dzx)

136 Response to are you a Christian Nationalist?

It's your label, which you just started using. So you tell me.

Posted by: t-bird at August 17, 2024 12:36 PM (lCA8w)

137 Autocorrect is the worst program ever written.

Analogy

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 12:36 PM (B1dzx)

138 I saw that video. It's a smoking gun. He brags about working on this vaccine for "20 years". Which ties it to a mild version of a corona virus in the year 2002.

Why would you need a vaccine for a mild corona virus from the year 2002 which did not even hit a grand total of four digit fatalities in 60 countries?

How he walks the streets of this country a free man is only a testament to how far we have fallen.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 12:28 PM (RKVpM)


I read an article about mRNA in a mainstream news source written before the controversy. Moderna was working on a cancer treatment. Then they suddenly decided that they were going all in on vaccines, which puzzled many.

In those 20 years of research, they never managed to produce something helped the medical condition and didn't kill the lab animal test subjects.

When the Covid opportunity arose, they tweaked the formula and claimed that the problems were all fixed now.

Posted by: Emmie at August 17, 2024 12:37 PM (Sf2cq)

139 I am no theologian, but this guy is supposedly well on his way to finishing a course in a seminary, and he seems to have gotten some things wrong about the basics of Christianity, even for a Presbyterian
He attended a Presbyterian PCA seminary, there’s the snag. May’s well be a Unitarian.

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 12:37 PM (o2ZRX)

140 hey KT. Seminaries today aren't teaching systematic theology, hermeneutics or discernment, and that fellow you mentioned obviously didn't read Acts 2 very well. Frankly, it seems to be taught poorly, since my own Sunday school couldn't seem to grasp that the reason the first apostles, disciples and early believers pooled their money at Pentecost was to help support the converts among Jews from the nations who had been in Jerusalem to celebrate the Temple holy days of Passover and the Festival of weeks. They didn't have funds to remain in Jerusalem and learn about Jesus and His teachings from the apostles, and those who had were willing to sacrifice in order to help them, so that they could go back to their homes and teach others about Christ. (Matt 28: 19-20) It was not mandatory, it was voluntary.

Posted by: Moki at August 17, 2024 12:37 PM (wLjpr)

141 Not only is Fauci a free man he is a hero to 1/2 the country.

Posted by: Hey now at August 17, 2024 12:37 PM (D4ItZ)

142 Local farmer is selling them here for 3.50 per dozen. Wally World is 4.99 I think.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 17, 2024 12:32 PM (HZLHo

I should look into local farmers more.

I'm going through my Armegheddon stash now and fasting so food bills aren't that high.

Posted by: Stateless at August 17, 2024 12:37 PM (jvJvP)

143 I once knew a guy an drove an Agnolotti.
Fun little Italian sports car, but the thing went through tires like crazy.

Posted by: Homer Simpson at August 17, 2024 12:39 PM (dg+HA)

144 He Left have taken actual Islamic culture and tried to substitute in a fake Christian nationalism lie.

That’s how you got the Handmaid’s Tale.

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 12:39 PM (B1dzx)

145 If you live in a rural area or not far from it, there are always people with chickens selling eggs. Not “farmers” just people who have chickens and can’t eat all the eggs the chickens produce. Reasonable prices and good quality fresh eggs.

Posted by: Hey now at August 17, 2024 12:39 PM (D4ItZ)

146 How he walks the streets of this country a free man is only a testament to how far we have fallen.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 12:28 PM (RKVpM)
====================
It does indeed. One would think some civilized society would still exist and they would call for his trial for crimes against humanity.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 17, 2024 12:40 PM (HPOrx)

147 Kamala finally laid out her economic plans last week.

She’d spend trillions more


Why doesn't Mrs. Thought Genius set all prices to zero so nobody ever gets price-gouged?

Posted by: t-bird at August 17, 2024 12:40 PM (lCA8w)

148 He attended a Presbyterian PCA seminary, there’s the snag. May’s well be a Unitarian.
Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 12:37 PM (o2ZRX)


Wikipedia says Presbyterian USA.

Posted by: Emmie at August 17, 2024 12:41 PM (Sf2cq)

149 Dengism sounds like what has been going on in corporations in the USA for the past 20 years or so. With regards to "climate change", DEI and the gender craziness.

The auto industry and energy industry especially have definitely been run by Dengism the past 20 years, with WEF stakeholders going into key upper management positions in every auto company and energy company. Check out any auto company site or energy company site (here in my area of Michigan it is DTE Energy) and you will see them talking about what they are doing to fight "climate change" and "reduce carbon". All based on the "climate change" religious cult, not on science or facts. And their policies are pushed by government regulations and laws, pushed by the stakeholders within government.

This is a result of the Marxist Left Long March Through the Institutions. They now have their stakeholders in every corporation/government institution in Western culture.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at August 17, 2024 12:41 PM (P5BPp)

150 Why doesn't Mrs. Thought Genius set all prices to zero so nobody ever gets price-gouged?
Posted by: t-bird at August 17, 2024 12:40 PM (lCA8w)

Yeah man that’s what we need a $0 for food bill.
- LIVs everywhere

Posted by: Hey now at August 17, 2024 12:41 PM (D4ItZ)

151
Here are African Kids doing Chinese Stuff.

What were they doing? Link dead.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 17, 2024 12:41 PM (63Dwl)

152 Eggs were $2.51 at my local Aldi's a couple days ago. I saw someone selling "farm fresh eggs" even more local for $2.50. Hard to break even at that price, unless maybe if you grow their food and let them free range.

(bad raccoons killed my last seven chickens, easier to buy the eggs, and cheaper)

Posted by: illiniwek at August 17, 2024 12:42 PM (Cus5s)

153 When the Covid opportunity arose, they tweaked the formula and claimed that the problems were all fixed now.
Posted by: Emmie


Moderna filed a SEC report in June 2020 of all times labeling mRNA tech as "gene therapy."

Not only that, they wrote that the FDA considers it "gene therapy as well.

It's. Not. A. Vaccine.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 17, 2024 12:42 PM (IG4Id)

154
In those 20 years of research, they never managed to produce something helped the medical condition and didn't kill the lab animal test subjects.

Posted by: Emmie at August 17, 2024 12:37 PM


What they did achieve in those years was creating the acronym VAED for 'Vaccine Associated Enhanced Disease'. Animal study after animal study for 20 years, the same result.

So now we have the neologism of 'excess deaths'.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 12:43 PM (RKVpM)

155 Christian nationalism goes as far as
Matthew 22:17-21.

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 12:43 PM (B1dzx)

156 I live a quarter mile from a Seminary, largely funded by the money the conservative man John Templeton made two generations ago in the mutual fund business. Nowadays, the place is a leader in "social justice", where students preach against racism and incarceration of criminals. Despicable.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 17, 2024 12:44 PM (HPOrx)

157 Had we known what we know now, we never should have won the Cold War. We should have propped up the USSR for eternity.

I'm just sort of floored how many young people have embraced Marxism/Socialism. Everyone got comfortable because Communism was no longer a geopolitical threat.

Posted by: Blago at August 17, 2024 12:44 PM (wMRY8)

158 What was gratifying to me, the leftists have lost the plot.

They thought they was gonna roll in there and talk people into the Vax. This guy was really informed, understood facts, logic, and Reason. Able to evaluate the likelihood that the information being provided is factual.

You know, basic stuff from 2000 years ago. Additionally he had obviously done a deep dive on all this shit, and was on it every step of the way. Leftists are mostly never prepared for someone who is in command of the facts. They like to fuck with children for this reason.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2024 12:46 PM (ada2f)

159 "Miss me yet?" Christ Jesus

Posted by: 80's music fan at August 17, 2024 12:46 PM (uXDR4)

160 Better a Christian Nationalist than a Satanic Internationalist.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at August 17, 2024 12:46 PM (L/fGl)

161 Had we known what we know now, we never should have won the Cold War. We should have propped up the USSR for eternity.

I'm just sort of floored how many young people have embraced Marxism/Socialism. Everyone got comfortable because Communism was no longer a geopolitical threat.
Posted by: Blago at August 17, 2024 12:44 PM (wMRY

Reagan caused the country to forget a lot of long time problems and set a new unreasonable baseline of what people expected as normal. He was too good.

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 12:47 PM (B1dzx)

162 157
'Had we known what we know now, we never should have won the Cold War. We should have propped up the USSR for eternity.'

Listen to this man. He speaks reason.

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at August 17, 2024 12:47 PM (3wi/L)

163 Also, where it says Dengism "adopts a facade of capitalism" is spot-on.

By adopting a facade of capitalism instead of actual capitalism, when Dengism leads to awful results, those executing Dengism can say that this is the result of evil capitalism. And then convince people that we need to change from a capitalist system to a fascist or communist system. Nevermind that the issues are with those who corrupt the capitalist system, not with the capitalist system itself.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at August 17, 2024 12:47 PM (P5BPp)

164 Just before they are slaughtered, sweet potatoes become very quiet.
This is called the silence of the yams.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 17, 2024 12:47 PM (W/lyH)

165 160 Better a Christian Nationalist than a Satanic Internationalist.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at August 17, 2024 12:46 PM (L/fGl)

Perfect. No notes.

Posted by: Moki at August 17, 2024 12:48 PM (wLjpr)

166 144 He Left have taken actual Islamic culture and tried to substitute in a fake Christian nationalism lie.

That’s how you got the Handmaid’s Tale.
Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 12:39 PM (B1dzx)


I remember when Fundamentalist Christian merely meant that a person believed the Bible and the basic and foundational tenets of the Christian faith.

Now I've become suspicious about something. Wasn't it around the time of the late 70s hostage crisis when violent Islamists became "Fundamentalists"? I wonder if there was an effort to taint fundamentalism by associating it with violent Islamists, making it ominous and bad.

Posted by: Emmie at August 17, 2024 12:48 PM (Sf2cq)

167 148 He attended a Presbyterian PCA seminary, there’s the snag. May’s well be a Unitarian.
Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 12:37 PM (o2ZRX)

Wikipedia says Presbyterian USA.
Posted by: Emmie at August 17, 2024 12:41 PM (Sf2cq
You’re right. I’m so accustomed to following Presbyterian with PCA, my fingers were on auto. Our PCAi church is growing by affiliation,baptism, and most of all, lots of new babies!

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 12:48 PM (o2ZRX)

168 Moderna filed a SEC report in June 2020 of all times labeling mRNA tech as "gene therapy."

Contranym: Pharmaceuticals - from the Greek for preparer of drugs, or poisoner.

Posted by: t-bird at August 17, 2024 12:49 PM (tvIQJ)

169 Heaven cannot be built on earth by people, asshole.

Posted by: 80's music fan at August 17, 2024 12:49 PM (uXDR4)

170 Just before they are slaughtered, sweet potatoes become very quiet.
This is called the silence of the yams.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 17, 2024 12:47 PM (W/lyH)

That’s definitely a grandpa joke. Did your granddaughter groan when you tried it on her? 😀

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 12:49 PM (B1dzx)

171 >>> 166 144 He Left have taken actual Islamic culture and tried to substitute in a fake Christian nationalism lie.

That’s how you got the Handmaid’s Tale.
Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 12:39 PM (B1dzx)

I remember when Fundamentalist Christian merely meant that a person believed the Bible and the basic and foundational tenets of the Christian faith.

Now I've become suspicious about something. Wasn't it around the time of the late 70s hostage crisis when violent Islamists became "Fundamentalists"? I wonder if there was an effort to taint fundamentalism by associating it with violent Islamists, making it ominous and bad.
Posted by: Emmie at August 17, 2024 12:48 PM (Sf2cq)

Of course it was.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 17, 2024 12:50 PM (FnneF)

172 Now I've become suspicious about something. Wasn't it around the time of the late 70s hostage crisis when violent Islamists became "Fundamentalists"?
-------

Oh, you sweet summer child!

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2024 12:50 PM (ada2f)

173 >>>143 I once knew a guy an drove an Agnolotti.
Fun little Italian sports car, but the thing went through tires like crazy.

Just needs a heavier sauce.

Posted by: mediapostate at August 17, 2024 12:50 PM (w6uII)

174 Eggs were $2.51 at my local Aldi's a couple days ago. I saw someone selling "farm fresh eggs" even more local for $2.50. Hard to break even at that price, unless maybe if you grow their food and let them free range.



I used to live out in the sticks and had chickens. It wasn’t a business. We had a bunch of chickens we had 10 at one point, they kinda became pets - and they made way more eggs than we could ever eat. So we sold them to neighbors and friends for $4 a dozen. The going rate for Whole Foods local farm free whatever was $5 or $6.

We weren’t in it to make a profit just make a few bucks here and there.

Posted by: Hey now at August 17, 2024 12:51 PM (D4ItZ)

175 Autocorrect is the worst program ever written.

-
https://is.gd/PyklHb

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at August 17, 2024 12:51 PM (L/fGl)

176 That 'seminary' student is bonkers.

To make Humans "The Way" is to elevate those same Humans to godhood.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 17, 2024 12:52 PM (uwNDP)

177 What should we call the American version of Dengism being practiced here?

Posted by: Same shit different packaging at August 17, 2024 12:52 PM (q1Zxb)

178
(bad raccoons killed my last seven chickens, easier to buy the eggs, and cheaper)

Posted by: illiniwek at August 17, 2024 12:42 PM


I have a weird tree on my property which produces some weird fruit that the deer love to graze under. I found a dead racoon under it with no apparent wound so I image some deer stomped it to death. The local birds of prey handled the funeral arrangements.

We have raccoons, fox, and birds that drop into my neighbors chicken coop. The life expectancy of their chickens I imagine is less then a year. At best I imagine they could break even at these new Bidenomic prices for eggs.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 12:53 PM (RKVpM)

179 Christian Nationalism > Christian Socialism

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 17, 2024 12:54 PM (JvZF+)

180 What should we call the American version of Dengism being practiced here?
Posted by: Same shit different packaging at August 17, 2024 12:52 PM (q1Zxb)

We’ve had a form of it forever. We call it Crony Capitalism,

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 12:54 PM (B1dzx)

181 We had 2 dogs and the chickens would be free ranging during the day with the dogs on “guard duty”. No critters ever attacked the chickens. At night they went in the coop. The fenced yard where they roamed was about 1/3 of an acre. It was a sweet setup.

Posted by: Hey now at August 17, 2024 12:55 PM (D4ItZ)

182 It's. Not. A. Vaccine.
Posted by: weft cut-loop

Hey! "Vaccine" is another word that means its opposite!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at August 17, 2024 12:55 PM (L/fGl)

183 Our PCA church is growing by affiliation,baptism, and most of all, lots of new babies!
Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 12:48 PM (o2ZRX)


I'm non-denominational by temperament, but we are currently attending a PCA and we love it.

Posted by: Emmie at August 17, 2024 12:56 PM (Sf2cq)

184 I read an article about mRNA in a mainstream news source written before the controversy. Moderna was working on a cancer treatment. Then they suddenly decided that they were going all in on vaccines, which puzzled many.

In those 20 years of research, they never managed to produce something helped the medical condition and didn't kill the lab animal test subjects.

When the Covid opportunity arose, they tweaked the formula and claimed that the problems were all fixed now.
Posted by: Emmie at August 17, 2024 12:37 PM (Sf2cq)

Bret Weinstein has acknowledged he was fooled by it at first, because he was aware of mRNA research, and thought it was an exciting area of study. He made the rather naive assumption, when they started rolling out the fake "vaccine," that they had made some sort of amazing breakthrough.

They had not. And now he is one of the more vocal, knowledgeable critics of this, as he has made it possible for people to understand the science here.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 12:56 PM (GtZ7X)

185 Marxism is a poorly done satanic ripoff copy of first century Christianity, which is how it fools stupid people. But it substitutes The State in place of any God, and worships Will to Power over any “morality”.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 17, 2024 12:56 PM (gBVkZ)

186 Captain Obvious,

In my home town we had a Dr. Butcher a, Dr. Slaughter, and a dentist named Dr. Fang.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at August 17, 2024 11:55 AM (3DZIZ)


In the 70's the Army's finance office at Ft Lewis had both a Captain Dollar and LTC Penny there. When I got to Germany, my supply sergeant was Sergeant Sergeant. (A damned fine NCO too!)

Posted by: Diogenes at August 17, 2024 12:56 PM (W/lyH)

187 450 drones bring 'God Bless America' to life....

Sad irony---

Those drones likely not made in America, but China.

Posted by: Lurker #4975 at August 17, 2024 12:56 PM (1g1YE)

188 Cognitive Dissonance is a term that involves opposites and the Left again have no self awareness that it’s one of their main traits.

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 12:57 PM (B1dzx)

189 177

'What should we call the American version of Dengism being practiced here?'

I have too much respect for Deng's competence to compare his system to the rampant destruction the democrats are causing.
It's like comparing a military parade to a combination Pride parade-Antifa riot.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 17, 2024 12:58 PM (3wi/L)

190 So where was Major Money?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 17, 2024 01:00 PM (uwNDP)

191 That’s definitely a grandpa joke. Did your granddaughter groan when you tried it on her? 😀
Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 12:49 PM (B1dzx)


Haven't tried it on them yet.
Mrs.D.sprung it on me a bit ago. Had to share.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 17, 2024 01:00 PM (W/lyH)

192 What they did achieve in those years was creating the acronym VAED for 'Vaccine Associated Enhanced Disease'. Animal study after animal study for 20 years, the same result.

So now we have the neologism of 'excess deaths'.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 12:43 PM (RKVpM)

Excess deaths is a useful term, if.... IF it is followed up with the question: What's causing it?

Governments are working overtime to try to hide the truth, but it's getting harder and harder to do so.

Unless you're Britain or Canada. Where they will kick in your door if you ask about all those young people having cardiac events.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 01:00 PM (GtZ7X)

193 Wasn't it around the time of the late 70s hostage crisis when violent Islamists became "Fundamentalists"?

Islamic fundamentalism in its modern form dates to the late 1940s when al-Qutb attended a church dance in Denver and was scandalized.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 17, 2024 01:01 PM (AIhUY)

194
Vaccine is just a word for what we force you to do voluntarily together.

-- Kamala probably

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 01:01 PM (RKVpM)

195 Here's a ""Christian" pastor" that a lefty relative just loooves:

https://x.com/Brcremer/status/
1537425737245790208

Posted by: Emmie at August 17, 2024 01:01 PM (Sf2cq)

196 Thank you KT. Very interesting as always

That way (or the way) is only used a handful of times in the book of Acts. It’s unclear if early Christians referred to themselves as that way but I doubt it… it’s such a rare phrase in the New Testament. When it is used it’s referring to followers of Christ (after all Jesus said in the gospel of John: “I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the father but by me.”

Any seminary student or graduate or preacher or anybody that tries to make that about economics or politics is totally misunderstanding the New Testament. Christ’s message of salvation was spiritual. His kingdom was spiritual and eternal. That’s why he told Pilate at his “trial” that “my kingdom is not of this world”

I’m kinda tired of super Christians scolding others for their political views… especially when they don’t understand the Bible.

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 17, 2024 01:01 PM (hsjSP)

197
I'm pretty sure they said "This is the way". And then they took off in space ships to rescue baby Yoda.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 17, 2024 11:24 AM (xCA6C)

Isn't that basically Scientology?

Posted by: Looked like DC8s but I'm not judging at August 17, 2024 01:02 PM (q1Zxb)

198 What should we call the American version of Dengism being practiced here?
Posted by: Same shit different packaging at August 17, 2024 12:52 PM (q1Zxb)

I'm fine with calling it what it is: fascism.

But the propagandists have conditioned everyone... and I do mean EVERYONE to think in left/right terms, and you can't convince people that fascists are self-identifying as lefties.

Especially when there are plenty of so-called right leaning pols who are also, indeed, fascists.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 01:02 PM (GtZ7X)

199 This happened at the unit I was at. Through a series of now obvious mis-communication or misinterpretation by the time it went through the various chain of command, when E5 Sergeant Major showed up at the airport to his new duty assignment he was greeted by a contingent of 2 or 3 fairly high ranking officers and NCOs from the base. It was hilarious, and I guess he took it in stride, he was getting used to it I think.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2024 01:03 PM (ada2f)

200 A term I saw used on a Facebook post to smear ....

"x'shun natty."

How clever.

Shun. Christian nationalists. Yes, a neighbor.

Alrighty then.

Posted by: Derak at August 17, 2024 01:03 PM (gHBAl)

201
Islamic fundamentalism in its modern form dates to the late 1940s when al-Qutb attended a church dance in Denver and was scandalized.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 17, 2024 01:01 PM


Scandalized or ignored by the local women who wanted nothing to do with the ill-kept goat fvcker?

I'm guessing Door Number Two.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 01:03 PM (RKVpM)

202 "Immigrant" Suspected of the murder of 23 people in Peru arrested in upstate NY. I'm wondering how MSNBC, CNN, and NPR will cover this story.

Posted by: ADK46er at August 17, 2024 01:04 PM (Dk6GG)

203 Vaccine is just a word for what we force you to do voluntarily together.

-- Kamala probably
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 01:01 PM (RKVpM)

What will be jabbed into your body, unburdened by what has been jabbed into your body.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 01:05 PM (GtZ7X)

204 Behind Door #3 is the goat.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 17, 2024 01:05 PM (uwNDP)

205 I'm wondering how MSNBC, CNN, and NPR will cover this story.
Posted by: ADK46er at August 17, 2024 01:04 PM (Dk6GG)


ISWYDT

Posted by: Emmie at August 17, 2024 01:05 PM (Sf2cq)

206 202 "Immigrant" Suspected of the murder of 23 people in Peru arrested in upstate NY. I'm wondering how MSNBC, CNN, and NPR will cover this story.
Posted by: ADK46er at August 17, 2024 01:04 PM (Dk6GG)


Not at all

Posted by: It's me donna at August 17, 2024 01:06 PM (IyPmt)

207 Behind Door #3 is the goat.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 17, 2024 01:05 PM (uwNDP)

Cassius Clay?

Posted by: I'm a baaaaaad man at August 17, 2024 01:06 PM (q1Zxb)

208 I found a new term when I was putting together a Chinese made mini table saw for my model airplane hobby. The manual, written in somewhat impenetrable "English", told me to install a fence with two "sheep horn screws". I'd never heard that term before, but looking through the parts, I figured it out. They meant "wing nuts". So a screw with wing nuts must be called sheep horn screws in Mandarin, so they must have done a literal translation.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at August 17, 2024 01:07 PM (bMmXc)

209 450 drones bring 'God Bless America' to life....


If I were still on active duty, that would scare the hell out of me.
Imagine those things all carrying a small explosive. And then they come swarming over your position. Or airbase.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 17, 2024 01:08 PM (W/lyH)

210 What can you say if someone asks if you are a Christian Nationalist?

They reveal much by asking that question. "Lord, no! I'm a Satanist who votes straight Democrat. By the way, I haven't seen you at our lunar-monthly child murder sex orgies. Are you some sort of Christian Nationalist?"

Posted by: t-bird at August 17, 2024 01:09 PM (c/Z2E)

211 The Left are definitely doing their best to make Matthew 10:21-23 come to fruition.

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 01:09 PM (B1dzx)

212 I've been having some health distractions lately. Church friends and neighbors have been attentive to that and supportive. I just got a call from a Sunday School member, telling me to check the bench seat on my front porch. There I found a copy of 'Hillbilly Elegy', and a good-sized ziplock bag of Angel Cookies.

Pesky 'Christian Nationalists'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 01:10 PM (XeU6L)

213 What can you say if someone asks if you are a Christian Nationalist?

God, Family and Country. Make America Great Again. You have a problem with that?

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 01:12 PM (B1dzx)

214 Outside this realm of the “ insane” and the “queer” there are other branches of medicine where hypnotism has a possible use. This is especially so along the lines of so-called bad habits. For example, let us consider the problem of the pervert, the individual whose sex life takes some outlet generally disapproved
by society.

This outlet is often toward the same sex, giving us
the typical homosexual. Here we run into exactly the same problem we do in the case of the hysteric. The sex life is on a very immature level and the individual follows his line of action because of the pleasure
principle. The pervert, in general, does not want to be cured. He is quite happy as he is, so we may count on very little cooperation, even as with the hysteric.

Posted by: George Estabrooks at August 17, 2024 01:12 PM (ada2f)

215 "Vice President Kamala Harris promised Friday that she would build 3 million new homes in four years if she were elected, but she and President Joe Biden barely managed to build eight EV charging stations in two-and-a-half years."

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How? Is Jimmah feeling better?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 17, 2024 01:12 PM (GtZ7X)

216 I'm wondering how MSNBC, CNN, and NPR will cover this story.
Posted by: ADK46er at August 17, 2024 01:04 PM (Dk6GG)

ISWYDT
Posted by: Emmie
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We're all about linguistics here. As opposed to 'Deconstruction'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 01:13 PM (XeU6L)

217
There I found a copy of 'Hillbilly Elegy'

My wife signed up for it at our local library. Hopefully, she'll get to read it before inauguration day, as there are 98 people in front of her on the waiting list.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 01:13 PM (RKVpM)

218 Pesky 'Christian Nationalists'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 01:10 PM (XeU6L)


There's still good in the World

Posted by: It's me donna at August 17, 2024 01:14 PM (IyPmt)

219 Pesky 'Christian Nationalists'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 01:10 PM (XeU6L)


Sweet people! <3

Posted by: Emmie at August 17, 2024 01:15 PM (Sf2cq)

220 There I found a copy of 'Hillbilly Elegy'

My wife signed up for it at our local library. Hopefully, she'll get to read it before inauguration day, as there are 98 people in front of her on the waiting list.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 01:13 PM (RKVpM)


Good book

Posted by: It's me donna at August 17, 2024 01:15 PM (IyPmt)

221 God, Family and Country. Make America Great Again. You have a problem with that?
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Um, a non-trivial part of the population, they will throw you in a camp the first chance they get. They are getting closer, if they can talk about it freely on the national networks. It starts out vague enough - "re-education" and struggle sessions. That's what the DIE stuff is about, self-denunciations.

This is being done to Children. Yes, as a matter of fact a huge problem with that.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2024 01:15 PM (ada2f)

222 Kamala is worse than the idiot running for class President who promises to put a coke machine in every classroom and everyone gets the same grades.

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 01:16 PM (B1dzx)

223 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 01:10 PM (XeU6L)

That's very nice!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2024 01:17 PM (dTTBf)

224 >Cassius Clay?

It would seem this was the beginning of the mainstreaming of the Islamist insurgency of US popular culture.

Posted by: davidt at August 17, 2024 01:17 PM (i0F8b)

225 Soda machines in Schools was a huge controversy at one time.

Simpler times, for sure. LOL

Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2024 01:18 PM (ada2f)

226 Posted by: Common Tater at August 17, 2024 01:15 PM (ada2f)

The question was what would you say?

This is what I would say.

Also see mine at #211

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 01:18 PM (B1dzx)

227 Appreciate the mention of my contranym piece.

Posted by: Michael at August 17, 2024 01:19 PM (YEMvY)

228 Good book
Posted by: It's me donna
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The last time that I spoke to the person who left the book, I mentioned that the library copies had a long reserved list. Apparently the person that left the book made a point of obtaining a new copy for me.

Humbled, I am.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 01:20 PM (XeU6L)

229
>Cassius Clay?

It would seem this was the beginning of the mainstreaming of the Islamist insurgency of US popular culture.

Posted by: davidt at August 17, 2024 01:17 PM


A guy who repeatedly gets punched in the head for the prior decade and a half. What a prize.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 17, 2024 01:21 PM (RKVpM)

230 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 01:20 PM (XeU6L)

It will be also nice to share it with another person when you’re finished.

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 01:21 PM (B1dzx)

231
That's very nice!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Well, we're Methodists. I expected fried chicken, and maybe deviled eggs. ;-)

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 01:23 PM (XeU6L)

232 "450 drones bring 'God Bless America' to life....
If I were still on active duty, that would scare the hell out of me. Imagine those things all carrying a small explosive."

Some YT documentary on Ukraine war said at any given time there may be 10,000 drones flying over Ukraine. Russia also uses them effectively. I watch those videos all the time ...of Ukraine blowing up tanks and trucks. With tanks, they might use 3 or 4 to get the desired result.

They have various systems to detect drones nearby, and attempt to block their signals. The tech is constantly changing/advancing. I'm hoping USA has a few million in reserve, but not so sure.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 17, 2024 01:24 PM (Cus5s)

233 I just found out why everyone has been saying price gauging instead of price gouging recently.

Harris is a special combination of ignorant, low IQ and lazy.

If the country let's them get away with another cheated election, she'll be a perfect fit to lead us.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 17, 2024 01:24 PM (fs1hN)

234
It will be also nice to share it with another person when you’re finished.
Posted by: polynikes
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I do that regularly.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 01:25 PM (XeU6L)

235 Words, language that is, are a map of reality. If you are not precise in your language your understanding of reality is diminished.

Which,for some people, is the point.

Posted by: First time caller number three at August 17, 2024 01:25 PM (TLBJy)

236 Posted by: illiniwek at August 17, 2024 01:24 PM (Cus5s

Steven Pressfield called it in his book The Profession.

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 01:25 PM (B1dzx)

237 Thx K T. Antonio Gramsci. Our Sec of transportation Pete Buttgiggle's father was the head of the Antonio Gramsci society of America. Think the cultural Marxists haven't infiltrated everywhere

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 17, 2024 01:26 PM (gXGVH)

238 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 01:23 PM (XeU6L)

We don't have friend chicken at our luncheons. It must be a Southern thing. We do have deviled eggs, though, and often chili and my go to contribution is roasted red pepper and tomato soup but not when it gets too warm.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2024 01:26 PM (dTTBf)

239 al-Qutb

Incel.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 17, 2024 01:28 PM (gHA1U)

240 deviled eggs

Mmmmmm.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 17, 2024 01:29 PM (gHA1U)

241 The lesbian witches kidnapped baby Yoda and hid him inside the anus of a hyper speed whale. The Mandolorian has a tough assignment.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 17, 2024 11:31 AM (4Med0)

I hadn't kept up, what did they do, bring Stacy Abrams back and strap some engines to her?
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 17, 2024 11:35 AM (gBVkZ)


"Baron Harkonnen, what are your preferred pronouns?"

Posted by: mrp at August 17, 2024 01:29 PM (rj6Yv)

242 My favorite "nyms" are aptronyms. This is when somebody's name has a connection to their occupation. Like Ronald Reagan's spokesman Larry Speakes or the old Steelers quarterback Willie Thrower. There are a lot of examples of these. It's so weird how it happens. I love seeing them.
Posted by: Mark1971 at August 17, 2024 11:41 AM (xPl2J)

My favorite sports name: Dick Trickle.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at August 17, 2024 01:31 PM (g8Ew8)

243 Nobody has asked me about Christian nationalism. If they did, I'd probably ask "How would you define it? I'd also say that I am not in favor of a Christian theocracy if that's what you mean. I believe in freedom of religion, but I do think the country was better when we had shared values in the 10 commandments and people regularly attended worship services, and were also patriotic.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2024 01:32 PM (dTTBf)

244
I hadn't kept up, what did they do, bring Stacy Abrams back and strap some engines to her?
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Triggers the Patrick O'Brian quote:

"The most unromantic beast that ever urged its squat thick bulk across the face of the protesting earth"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 01:34 PM (XeU6L)

245 "The Way" seems to have been what followers of Christ called themselves before the term Christian came into use around 100 A.D.

"Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me'" (John 14:6)

"Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it" (Matthew 7:14)

"And asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem" (Acts 9:2)

Posted by: SpeakingOf at August 17, 2024 01:37 PM (6ydKt)

246 Scott Speed, race car driver.

I once had a personnel file on a guy named 'Crook'. He had been arrested 16 times.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 01:37 PM (XeU6L)

247 That James Talarico Texan "preacher" said it was "Christian Nationalists" that stormed the capitol on J6. His evidence for this was some that carried crosses and had signs saying "Jesus Saves". (I'm guessing those may have been FBI assets, identifying the J6 protest on their terms, idk).

Then he says "Christian Nationalists" on SCOTUS overturned Roe v Wade, and he doesn't like that either.

Yeah, the guy is a kook.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 17, 2024 01:39 PM (Cus5s)

248
I hadn't kept up, what did they do, bring Stacy Abrams back and strap some engines to her?
Posted by: Tom Servo


I wonder if she would survive rear-entry?

Posted by: Deep Thoughts at August 17, 2024 01:39 PM (RKVpM)

249 "Steven Pressfield called it in his book The Profession."

I bought that a few weeks ago, after (probably) you mentioned it before. just a couple chapters in so far

Posted by: illiniwek at August 17, 2024 01:40 PM (Cus5s)

250 248 I wonder if she would survive rear-entry?

Posted by: Deep Thoughts at August 17, 2024 01:39 PM (RKVpM)

I wonder if anybody would survive her rear-entry?

Posted by: SpeakingOf at August 17, 2024 01:42 PM (6ydKt)

251 Triggers the Patrick O'Brian quote:

"The most unromantic beast that ever urged its squat thick bulk across the face of the protesting earth"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 01:34 PM (XeU6L)
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"a deeply stupid, griping, illiberal, avid, tenacious, pinchfist, a sordid lickpenny and a shrew".

Stephen really didn't like Mrs. Williams very much.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at August 17, 2024 01:51 PM (VdhcA)

252 illiniwek at August 17, 2024 01:39 PM

And a Texas State Representative. He many get his party's platform mixed up with his theology sometimes.

Posted by: KT at August 17, 2024 01:52 PM (xekrU)

253 Posted by: illiniwek at August 17, 2024 01:40 PM (Cus5s

Not his best but still a good read. Let me know what you thought after you finish.

Posted by: polynikes at August 17, 2024 01:54 PM (B1dzx)

254 "And a Texas State Representative. He many get his party's platform mixed up with his theology sometimes." Posted by: KT

Oh, I see he is a Democrat, of course. So yeah, he is just pushing to stop Christians from organizing ... they should just shut up, or talk about peaceful Jesus.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 17, 2024 02:02 PM (Cus5s)

255 Similar to aptronyms, in Tulsa in the 60's, there was a doctor named "Never Fail" and a contractor named "Safety First." Really!

Posted by: Jayhawkone at August 17, 2024 02:03 PM (9rPx3)

256 Sorry, I had it backwards: First was a cardiologist, Fail was the builder.

Posted by: Jayhawkone at August 17, 2024 02:07 PM (0ymEZ)

257 If I would like to become a Christian nationalist where do I sign up? Is there a clubhouse?

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at August 17, 2024 02:15 PM (H7ZYY)

258 127 "... I will unite with any American that believes in the constitution and that opposes the current 'DeepState Rule'."
I was raised in no church. I'm a Mises, Hayek, Friedman and Sowell fan. I regard Christians as allies.
Bertrand Russell said that religions, like wines, tend to mellow with age and so he would prefer to be ruled from the Vatican than from Moscow.

"Vulnerate" means to wound and to heal.

Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at August 17, 2024 02:35 PM (Yu9pI)

259 Similar to aptronyms, in Tulsa in the 60's, there was a doctor named "Never Fail" and a contractor named "Safety First." Really!
Posted by: Jayhawkone
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I have a vintage surgical knife (a fleam?) purchased at an antique store. Bone-handled, so I assume 19th century. The physician had engraved his name in the handle. 'Slay'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2024 02:47 PM (XeU6L)

260 The Last Word that will ever Matter:
ctHARRIS:: forWAR'd and only WAR upon Normal People; to reduce this planet to a Cinder as Lifeless and as Useless as MARS. ps. Tim Walz is dumber than a Potted Plant and gladly set fire to create a World Safe for Socialism, where the Guilty are Rewarded, the Innocent are Punished and the MEDIOCRE CHAMPIONED!

Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at August 17, 2024 02:48 PM (RHRfI)

261 SpeakingOf at August 17, 2024 01:37 PM

"We are of the way" is not the same as "We are the way".

Posted by: KT at August 17, 2024 02:52 PM (xekrU)

262 Lindsay says this is bait, a trap. It's a threat to be challenged or I'm missing something. Help me out here.

https://tinyurl.com/3c24jd95

Posted by: Braenyard at August 17, 2024 03:45 PM (mdzTB)

263 Disney’s legal team claims that signing onto the Disney+ contract means that all future disputes with the company must be decided through a binding, third-party arbitration process.
Disney further claimed that even if a potential steaming customer only signs up for the trial period and does not follow through by paying for the service, they have “forever waived the right to a jury trial enjoyed by them and any future Estate to which they are associated.”

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 17, 2024 04:06 PM (GITLP)

264 “raise” and “raze”

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 17, 2024 04:21 PM (GITLP)

265 262 Lindsay says this is bait, a trap. It's a threat to be challenged or I'm missing something. Help me out here.

https://tinyurl.com/3c24jd95
Posted by: Braenyard at August 17, 2024 03:45 PM (mdzTB)

She implies first that the difference between "normal" Christians and Christian Nationalists is that the only the latter believe that our rights come from G-d. From that you could conclude that if you agree with the Founders you are a Christian Nationalist. I guess if you are a Jew, Muslim, Hindu, etc. and believe that our rights our granted by a higher power rather than the State (or generally anywhere but the State), then you too might be a Christian Nationalist. It's the same game as "Fascist", "White Supremacist", etc.

Like a Jeff Foxworthy bit. I love how she's talking like she's educating the panel.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at August 17, 2024 04:26 PM (lg881)

266 "Sanction" is a contranym.

It can mean "to endorse an activity" or "to punish an activity."

E.g.,: "The authorities sanctioned their actions."

Did the authorities ENDORSE their actions or PUNISH them?

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at August 17, 2024 04:31 PM (Y01cc)

267 Braenyard at August 17, 2024 03:45 PM

Yes, of course saying that "everyone who thinks their rights come from God is a Christian Nationalist" is a trap. Lindsay thinks the left is trying to set up a system of government registration of churches. He also says that there are people inside churches working to get themselves in good graces with the government so that they don't need to worry about government suspicion all the time.

His general approach is to "expose the operation".

Posted by: KT at August 17, 2024 05:21 PM (xekrU)

268 LinusVanPelt at August 17, 2024 01:01 PM

Yes, I can imagine early Christians describing themselves as "followers of The Way", but this guy's characterization is shocking to me.

Posted by: KT at August 17, 2024 05:26 PM (xekrU)

269 Milton Friedman said it best:

“Keep your eye on how much the Government is spending, because that is the true tax.

There is no such thing as an unbalanced budget. You PAY FOR IT either in the form of taxes, or indirectly in the form of inflation or debt.”

Fact check: TRUE ✅

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 17, 2024 07:30 PM (GITLP)

270 Is, “Fucked” a viable contramyn?
Generally an adverb, but many connotations…
Potty-mouthed, after-beers, Saturday.
Please accept my apologies.

Posted by: Gunslinger at August 17, 2024 07:43 PM (65a8d)

271 Sorry I missed this thread. Thanks KT.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at August 17, 2024 07:48 PM (YHTux)

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