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Gun Thread: Open(ish) Edition!
Trump defiant - photo credit AP
A deranged lunatic tried to assassinate President Trump yesterday at a campaign rally in Butler, PA. About 10 minutes into his speech shots were fired by a gunman on a (very) nearby roof. A rally attendee behind the stage was hit and killed, PDT was shot in the ear, and the would-be assassin was shot and killed by law enforcement. Two other rally goers were injured. Gun Thread condolences to the family of the person killed, and best wishes to those injured and to PDT and his family. President Trump, realizing what was going on immediately hit the deck, was swarmed by the Secret Service and rushed from the stage while gesturing to the crowd signaling he was OK. He was treated for a gunshot wound to his right ear at a nearby hospital and later released. Donald Trump is a fucking LEGEND. He immediately had the presence of mind to un-ass the podium and then to let his supporters know he had not been fatally injured.
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SPONGE!!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 14, 2024 07:00 PM (0XVad)
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)
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First?
Posted by: Cosda at July 14, 2024 07:01 PM (ux7/e)
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"You are not welcome to make any sort of threats or make any calls for retribution or acts of violence against any person or political party."
Thank you!!!
Thank you!!!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 14, 2024 07:01 PM (5jVSZ)
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Go Scuba_Dude
Posted by: Cosda at July 14, 2024 07:02 PM (ux7/e)
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Pray!
Posted by: Eromero at July 14, 2024 07:02 PM (LHPAg)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 07:02 PM (tT6L1)
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https://directorblue.blogspot.com/2024/07/
erik prince malice or massive
https://tinyurl.com/3fvue8ej
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erik prince malice or massive
https://tinyurl.com/3fvue8ej
A
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:02 PM (fwDg9)
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May Corey's family and friends find comfort and strength in these very horrible times. He died protecting his family. No greater love.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:03 PM (HeZkj)
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While I agree with the non-combative issuance... I feel it's worthless.
Not from "us."
From "them."
Not from "us."
From "them."
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 14, 2024 07:04 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:04 PM (HeZkj)
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Anyone go to the range?
I could have but thought there could be some weirdness today.
If I went regularly I wouldn't think nothing of going today...
Maybe too many noobs like at the gym after new years.
I could have but thought there could be some weirdness today.
If I went regularly I wouldn't think nothing of going today...
Maybe too many noobs like at the gym after new years.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 14, 2024 07:04 PM (cOq4q)
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Now begins the long dark slide into the work week. The only spot of light is right here on the Gun Thread.
LFG!!
No range report, that will happen in 2 weeks. Before I begin to discuss the attempted assassination of President Trump, I think I have found the next pistol that I want to own.
The Sig Sauer 1911-XFull. What a beauty.
LFG!!
No range report, that will happen in 2 weeks. Before I begin to discuss the attempted assassination of President Trump, I think I have found the next pistol that I want to own.
The Sig Sauer 1911-XFull. What a beauty.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 14, 2024 07:04 PM (0XVad)
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If you were around March 30, 1981, its a little like that, except even more miraculous, and even more heroic.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 14, 2024 07:05 PM (RIvkX)
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Seconded.
"4 "You are not welcome to make any sort of threats or make any calls for retribution or acts of violence against any person or political party."
Thank you!!!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 14, 2024 07:01 PM (5jVSZ)"
"4 "You are not welcome to make any sort of threats or make any calls for retribution or acts of violence against any person or political party."
Thank you!!!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 14, 2024 07:01 PM (5jVSZ)"
Posted by: Are you sure about this sir? at July 14, 2024 07:05 PM (zOD0w)
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You are not welcome to make any sort of threats or make any calls for retribution or acts of violence against any person or political party.
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Almost got expelled that day.
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Almost got expelled that day.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 14, 2024 07:06 PM (RIvkX)
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Lesser known reporting is the assassin had bombs and bomb making material
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:06 PM (5MvGY)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 07:06 PM (q21JI)
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I will keep repeating this statement of mine about the top image.
It is visceral. He is Rocky Balboa. He is bloodied. But he is undefeated.
It is visceral. He is Rocky Balboa. He is bloodied. But he is undefeated.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:06 PM (HeZkj)
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IMO there is no explanation for the 'failures' other than they wanted Trump to get shot.]
First, they left literally the only rooftop in 500 yards unsecured with NO presence on it.
A lot of people are trying to focus on the counter-sniper not shooting first, and that's wrong. He can't shoot without authorization. Whether that's good procedure or not, his actions are justifiable.
What is NOT justifiable is that the SS know this guy is up there for an extended period of time, and they leave Trump on stage until the shooting starts.
THAT is utterly and completely indefensible. They had MORE than adequate warning of the shooter, up to the fact that has now been confirmed that a police officer WENT UP THERE AND THE GUY POINTED THE RIFLE AT HIM.
Civilians had time to pull out their freaking phones and record the guy before he shot, and yet NONE OF THE SECRET SERVICE AROUND THE STAGE MOVE UNTIL HE SHOOTS.
The second they identify a weapon it should have been code red and they surround Trump and get him off the stage until the threat is neutralized.
The fact that they not only didn't do that, but did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is utterly and completely indefensible.
They set him up.
First, they left literally the only rooftop in 500 yards unsecured with NO presence on it.
A lot of people are trying to focus on the counter-sniper not shooting first, and that's wrong. He can't shoot without authorization. Whether that's good procedure or not, his actions are justifiable.
What is NOT justifiable is that the SS know this guy is up there for an extended period of time, and they leave Trump on stage until the shooting starts.
THAT is utterly and completely indefensible. They had MORE than adequate warning of the shooter, up to the fact that has now been confirmed that a police officer WENT UP THERE AND THE GUY POINTED THE RIFLE AT HIM.
Civilians had time to pull out their freaking phones and record the guy before he shot, and yet NONE OF THE SECRET SERVICE AROUND THE STAGE MOVE UNTIL HE SHOOTS.
The second they identify a weapon it should have been code red and they surround Trump and get him off the stage until the threat is neutralized.
The fact that they not only didn't do that, but did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is utterly and completely indefensible.
They set him up.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at July 14, 2024 07:07 PM (setIA)
Posted by: javems at July 14, 2024 07:07 PM (8I4hW)
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I still have not been to the range. Been over six months now since I have fired a gun. Life (and a very bad back) keeps getting in the way.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 07:07 PM (QNSds)
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Anna, you nailed it. Kudos.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:08 PM (5MvGY)
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One item that seems to be in question is what organization did the Overwatch snipers belong to?
Going from memory at a rally in Reading Pa here in Oct 2020 I think I remember they had to be from PA State police, and that would be when DJT was still in office. Now not am thinking again these were State Police but I certainly could be wrong and so asking for opinions.
Also been a Tweet from the Overwatch sniper saying he wasn't given a green light though had a suspect in sight who had a rifle aimed at DJT and crowd.
Going from memory at a rally in Reading Pa here in Oct 2020 I think I remember they had to be from PA State police, and that would be when DJT was still in office. Now not am thinking again these were State Police but I certainly could be wrong and so asking for opinions.
Also been a Tweet from the Overwatch sniper saying he wasn't given a green light though had a suspect in sight who had a rifle aimed at DJT and crowd.
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:08 PM (fwDg9)
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Heard a TV news gun expert louse explain how ARs are not noted for their accuracy . Guess that's why they are used in competition.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at July 14, 2024 07:08 PM (74D2J)
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There are two key questions the government has to answer -
1. Why was the security detail so small?
2. Why didn't the USSS reach out to local LEOs to secure sensitive areas like rooftops with a line of sight on the stage?
1. Why was the security detail so small?
2. Why didn't the USSS reach out to local LEOs to secure sensitive areas like rooftops with a line of sight on the stage?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:09 PM (HeZkj)
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So, yes, I was at the range yesterday. Shot a ridiculous group with the 06 during the final stage of load development.
Group measured .750 before accounting for the diameter of the bullet.
But, I'm not sure the velocity is where I need it, with this bullet, to give me adequate wind resistance at 1,000 yards.
Never fear, though, I've another bullet I'm going to look at. The Hornady ELD VT.
You know, weaselsan warned me of this madness. Yet, I dared travel the road anyway. But I'll be darned if it isn't fun!
Group measured .750 before accounting for the diameter of the bullet.
But, I'm not sure the velocity is where I need it, with this bullet, to give me adequate wind resistance at 1,000 yards.
Never fear, though, I've another bullet I'm going to look at. The Hornady ELD VT.
You know, weaselsan warned me of this madness. Yet, I dared travel the road anyway. But I'll be darned if it isn't fun!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 07:10 PM (tT6L1)
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I can't believe this is real: Denver Post Headline
https://tinyurl.com/5dp4uuk4
Posted by: javems at July 14, 2024 07:07 PM
Forget it, javems...it's the Denver Post. I'm only surprised it wasn't "Trump Security Detail Kills Local Youth"
https://tinyurl.com/5dp4uuk4
Posted by: javems at July 14, 2024 07:07 PM
Forget it, javems...it's the Denver Post. I'm only surprised it wasn't "Trump Security Detail Kills Local Youth"
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 07:10 PM (q21JI)
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I will keep repeating this statement of mine about the top image.
It is visceral. He is Rocky Balboa. He is bloodied. But he is undefeated.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:06 PM
I will say one thing about what happened last night, all of the news for the next week or so will be directed at Trump and the failed assassination attempt. Any talk about removing joe biden from the ballot is over, he will be the candidate and that's final. By the time the news cycle turns away from Trump it will be too late in most states to remove biden from the ballot.
It is visceral. He is Rocky Balboa. He is bloodied. But he is undefeated.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:06 PM
I will say one thing about what happened last night, all of the news for the next week or so will be directed at Trump and the failed assassination attempt. Any talk about removing joe biden from the ballot is over, he will be the candidate and that's final. By the time the news cycle turns away from Trump it will be too late in most states to remove biden from the ballot.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 07:10 PM (QNSds)
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I never knew I'd love that guy. But he fights and I will follow him.
Posted by: NC Ref at July 14, 2024 07:10 PM (7g6Or)
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Antifa has upped their game. The assassin had support as well as radicalization.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:11 PM (5MvGY)
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Nate Hochman @njhochman Jul 13
If the bullet had been a couple inches further over, we would have been at real risk of a civil war. A catastrophic, end-of-America scenario. Couple inches. We were that close.
Orbeekins @orbeekins 6h Replying to @njhochman @ItsJustJill
Yep. Just drove by the firing range. The parking lot is full!
If the bullet had been a couple inches further over, we would have been at real risk of a civil war. A catastrophic, end-of-America scenario. Couple inches. We were that close.
Orbeekins @orbeekins 6h Replying to @njhochman @ItsJustJill
Yep. Just drove by the firing range. The parking lot is full!
Posted by: andycanuck (Jh5b+) at July 14, 2024 07:11 PM (Jh5b+)
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PSA
There is no time like the present to check the serviceability of all personal defense weapons.
There is no time like the present to check the serviceability of all personal defense weapons.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:11 PM (HeZkj)
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I think the biggest question I have on yesterday's events was how the shooter (spit) was able to get so close to the President with a long gun.
From the aerial photo's I have seen of the venue, that building was one of if not the closest to the President. I would have thought they would have some LEO's stationed on those roofs.
Someone made the decision to not have bodies patrolling the high ground of that event. That person and maybe others need to be looking at other employment.
From the aerial photo's I have seen of the venue, that building was one of if not the closest to the President. I would have thought they would have some LEO's stationed on those roofs.
Someone made the decision to not have bodies patrolling the high ground of that event. That person and maybe others need to be looking at other employment.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 14, 2024 07:11 PM (0XVad)
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Thank you, Weasel. I do not have any firearm knowledge and, currently, away from home where I could ask questions, so, if you would be so gracious: what level of proficiency would Crooks have needed? were those beginner type shots? he did not look like a large guy; would the gun have been easily carried or was it possible some of the equipment would have necessarily been placed earlier? Any insight would be appreciated. Thank you.
Posted by: EveR at July 14, 2024 07:11 PM (Z/h4+)
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Just when you thought you couldn't love the guy any more.
If he can somehow, some way regain the Presidency, he will no doubt go down as one of our greatest Presidents.
Oh, and apparently the gunman was twice as far from Trump as Oswald was from Kennedy.
Thank G-d this little marxist cockroach's aim was poor.
If he can somehow, some way regain the Presidency, he will no doubt go down as one of our greatest Presidents.
Oh, and apparently the gunman was twice as far from Trump as Oswald was from Kennedy.
Thank G-d this little marxist cockroach's aim was poor.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 07:12 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:12 PM (HeZkj)
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The first link I put up has a aerial map
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:13 PM (fwDg9)
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Cigar - Drew. Estate Undercown Madura, toro (6x50).
Came in a mongo sampler pack that was on sale a couple of months ago. Like 40+/- different cigars from 5/6 different brands.
Came in a mongo sampler pack that was on sale a couple of months ago. Like 40+/- different cigars from 5/6 different brands.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 14, 2024 07:13 PM (cOq4q)
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true, Anna!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at July 14, 2024 07:14 PM (UWgy2)
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14 If you were around March 30, 1981, its a little like that, except even more miraculous, and even more heroic.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 14, 2024 07:05 PM (RIvkX
I was 14 when JFK was shot, and I’m tired of this kind of ‘politics’.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 14, 2024 07:05 PM (RIvkX
I was 14 when JFK was shot, and I’m tired of this kind of ‘politics’.
Posted by: Eromero at July 14, 2024 07:14 PM (LHPAg)
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Thank you, Weasel, for the reasonable and sane rules around tonight's thread.
Prayers for the Comperatore family on the loss of Corey. As Gov. Shapiro said this afternoon, "Corey was the best of us. May his memory be a blessing." Also prayers to David Dutch and James Copenhaver and their families for relief from pain and quick recovery from their injuries.
Never having been shot, I cannot imagine the stones it would take to stand up, signal to a crowd that I'm OK, and then walk away under my own power. President Trump showed us more of his character and dignity yesterday.
Prayers for the Comperatore family on the loss of Corey. As Gov. Shapiro said this afternoon, "Corey was the best of us. May his memory be a blessing." Also prayers to David Dutch and James Copenhaver and their families for relief from pain and quick recovery from their injuries.
Never having been shot, I cannot imagine the stones it would take to stand up, signal to a crowd that I'm OK, and then walk away under my own power. President Trump showed us more of his character and dignity yesterday.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 14, 2024 07:14 PM (v23vE)
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The FBI report should be amusing.
Lots of ass coveting for tge incompetent DEI riddled Secret Service.
My guess is how things will go.
Investigative reporters on our side will find out things the feds don't want us to know- like how badly the SS and local PD fucked up.
Then when the "report" comes out the same people from our side will have comb thru it to pick the peanuts out of the poop.
In the end it will be obvious the SS was short staffed, incompetent, the PD screwed up, there was poor communication between them, and their slow actions nearly got Trump murdered.
That is my guess.
Lots of ass coveting for tge incompetent DEI riddled Secret Service.
My guess is how things will go.
Investigative reporters on our side will find out things the feds don't want us to know- like how badly the SS and local PD fucked up.
Then when the "report" comes out the same people from our side will have comb thru it to pick the peanuts out of the poop.
In the end it will be obvious the SS was short staffed, incompetent, the PD screwed up, there was poor communication between them, and their slow actions nearly got Trump murdered.
That is my guess.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:14 PM (elaR+)
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I sort of knew what the rules would be.
I did not let current events stop me from my first range session in a month.
The “AR Style” AR 10 continues to be a 1 MOA gas gun.
I’m ok with that.
I did not let current events stop me from my first range session in a month.
The “AR Style” AR 10 continues to be a 1 MOA gas gun.
I’m ok with that.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 07:14 PM (dBuZF)
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Way too many on X, TikTok, and even the VTuber community let their deep hatred show yesterday.
There are a lot of ghouls out there.
There are a lot of ghouls out there.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:14 PM (HeZkj)
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Any reliable reports on the assassin's weapon? Type, caliber, etc?
Posted by: davidt at July 14, 2024 07:15 PM (SYTee)
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"The fact that they not only didn't do that, but did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is utterly and completely indefensible. They set him up."
Seems plausible/likely. And Biden told Stephanopoulos, in response to Biden dropping out ... "not when he (Trump) hasn't been challenged, in a way he is about to be challenged". Seems kinda ominous.
https://tinyurl.com/467esr8t
Seems plausible/likely. And Biden told Stephanopoulos, in response to Biden dropping out ... "not when he (Trump) hasn't been challenged, in a way he is about to be challenged". Seems kinda ominous.
https://tinyurl.com/467esr8t
Posted by: illiniwek at July 14, 2024 07:15 PM (Cus5s)
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I an sure I remember the Reading Pa Rally I attended had lots of local and state police, it was a big crowd maybe30-40 thousand, you couldn't drag around the country the same security forces
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:15 PM (fwDg9)
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@34
>>I think the biggest question I have on yesterday's events was how the shooter (spit) was able to get so close to the President with a long gun.
A combination of gross incompetence and perhaps a little Chauncey Gardener's, I like to watch.
The near assasination of Pam Geller taught me that none of these f**ks can be trusted.
>>I think the biggest question I have on yesterday's events was how the shooter (spit) was able to get so close to the President with a long gun.
A combination of gross incompetence and perhaps a little Chauncey Gardener's, I like to watch.
The near assasination of Pam Geller taught me that none of these f**ks can be trusted.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM (XV/Pl)
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Anybody know where the SS sniper who took the definitive shot was located? Prince said it was a 400+ yard shot.
Posted by: Glitch at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM (FcpRq)
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Civil War will not happen Too much apathy on both sides.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM (5MvGY)
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Willowed 349 340. Murder. Terrorism.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
I know, but as a parent having had kids with distinctly different personalities, I do wonder.
Add in prominent voices such as this: Rep. Maxine Waters: Trump supporters 'training up in the hills' for election attack. The California Democrat previously called on protesters to publicly confront members of Trump's cabinet
By Lindsay Kornick Fox News, Published May 6, 2024
"Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., warned that right-wing organizations connected to Trump are "training up in the hills somewhere" to attack if Biden wins the election in November.
The California Democrat discussed the former president on MSNBC’s "The Sunday Show with Jonathan Capehart" and warned that we "better be careful" about what he could do. She also suggested that Biden and the Justice Department get involved in preemptively stopping right-wing violence.
"I’ll tell you what I’m going to do. I’m going to ask the Justice Department, and I am going to ask the president to tell us what they are going to do to protect this country against violence if [Biden] loses," she remarked.
"I want to know about all of those right-wing organizations ..." more
Posted by: Warai-otoko
I know, but as a parent having had kids with distinctly different personalities, I do wonder.
Add in prominent voices such as this: Rep. Maxine Waters: Trump supporters 'training up in the hills' for election attack. The California Democrat previously called on protesters to publicly confront members of Trump's cabinet
By Lindsay Kornick Fox News, Published May 6, 2024
"Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., warned that right-wing organizations connected to Trump are "training up in the hills somewhere" to attack if Biden wins the election in November.
The California Democrat discussed the former president on MSNBC’s "The Sunday Show with Jonathan Capehart" and warned that we "better be careful" about what he could do. She also suggested that Biden and the Justice Department get involved in preemptively stopping right-wing violence.
"I’ll tell you what I’m going to do. I’m going to ask the Justice Department, and I am going to ask the president to tell us what they are going to do to protect this country against violence if [Biden] loses," she remarked.
"I want to know about all of those right-wing organizations ..." more
Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM (NFX2v)
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Oh, other question had it looks like Overwatch sniper uses a tripod, would there be a pinel on the rifle
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:17 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Mayorkas at July 14, 2024 07:17 PM (bILdU)
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I did not let current events stop me from my first range session in a month.
The “AR Style” AR 10 continues to be a 1 MOA gas gun.
I’m ok with that.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 07:14 PM
As it should be.
The “AR Style” AR 10 continues to be a 1 MOA gas gun.
I’m ok with that.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 07:14 PM
As it should be.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 07:17 PM (Wnv9h)
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Oh, other question had it looks like Overwatch sniper uses a tripod, would there be a pinel on the rifle
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:17 PM
Pintel. "nt". Big difference.
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:17 PM
Pintel. "nt". Big difference.
Posted by: Lane Meyer at July 14, 2024 07:18 PM (Wnv9h)
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@41
>>I was 14 when JFK was shot, and I’m tired of this kind of ‘politics’.
All of the US Presidents who were shot or assassinated, save one, were Republicans.
>>I was 14 when JFK was shot, and I’m tired of this kind of ‘politics’.
All of the US Presidents who were shot or assassinated, save one, were Republicans.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 07:18 PM (XV/Pl)
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Here's an interesting analysis of the spatial awareness of the assassination attempt that will fill in some of the questions above:
https://youtu.be/P2oAom9jRmw
(From Lawrence Person's Battleswarm Blog)
https://youtu.be/P2oAom9jRmw
(From Lawrence Person's Battleswarm Blog)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 07:18 PM (jDfrA)
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I don't know if the cop climing the ladder had his gun drawn and ready at the top, but I sure would have in that situation.
From a video I saw people were freaking out and someone said, "he's turning this way!"
That must have been when the cop allegedly confronted him because a second or two later he opened fire.
Then you hear the single return shot of the SS.
From a video I saw people were freaking out and someone said, "he's turning this way!"
That must have been when the cop allegedly confronted him because a second or two later he opened fire.
Then you hear the single return shot of the SS.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:18 PM (elaR+)
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https://tinyurl.com/59bfxctv
Posted by: redbanzai at July 14, 2024 07:19 PM (vuZLO)
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Maybe some who haven't before can see what Trump supporters dig about DJT.
Maybe.
I have said since 2016 we will NEVER see a man like this again. And we will miss him terribly when it's over. Talk about a bulwark...
Maybe.
I have said since 2016 we will NEVER see a man like this again. And we will miss him terribly when it's over. Talk about a bulwark...
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 07:19 PM (lX8VI)
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That person and maybe others need to be looking at other employment.
The new ambassador to St Lucia?
The new ambassador to St Lucia?
Posted by: or maybe Barbados at July 14, 2024 07:19 PM (gKWVE)
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I can't believe this is real: Denver Post Headline
https://tinyurl.com/5dp4uuk4
Posted by: javems at July 14, 2024 07:07 PM (8I4hW)
I'm not usually gob smacked. But that gob smacks me.
https://tinyurl.com/5dp4uuk4
Posted by: javems at July 14, 2024 07:07 PM (8I4hW)
I'm not usually gob smacked. But that gob smacks me.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 14, 2024 07:19 PM (j96YS)
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Posted by: EveR at July 14, 2024 07:11 PM (Z/h4
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Hi EveR,
Short answer: a competent shooter should have been able to connect at that distance. I've heard it was something like 140 yds. Not a very long shot.
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Hi EveR,
Short answer: a competent shooter should have been able to connect at that distance. I've heard it was something like 140 yds. Not a very long shot.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 07:19 PM (JwHpX)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 14, 2024 07:20 PM (5jVSZ)
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That person and maybe others need to be looking at other employment.
Penguin census taker McMurdo. Or polar bear census taker.
Penguin census taker McMurdo. Or polar bear census taker.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:20 PM (HeZkj)
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Dusted off the .22 auto this afternoon and went up to the woods for a little 25 yd practice.
Got all the last group on the 8 1/2 x 11 but it took some time.
Dusted off the .22 auto this afternoon and went up to the woods for a little 25 yd practice.
Got all the last group on the 8 1/2 x 11 but it took some time.
Posted by: Auspex at July 14, 2024 07:20 PM (j4U/Z)
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 07:21 PM (lX8VI)
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Posted by: EveR at July 14, 2024 07:11 PM (Z/h4
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He did connect, but I don't think he was aiming for his ear.
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He did connect, but I don't think he was aiming for his ear.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 07:21 PM (JwHpX)
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Texting with our niece and nephew, both midish-30s, about the shooting last night. They wondered how people could deal with this and what might happen now. We reminded them of the assassinations and attempts just in our lifetimes: JFK, RFK, MLK jr., George Wallace, twice at Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan. You get the idea. These are well-informed, accomplished adults even if I think of them as young but they were astonished at just how much had occurred in their aunt and uncle's lifetimes. We also mentioned the Chicago Democrat convention in 68 that was partly fueled by the assassinations.
Posted by: JTB at July 14, 2024 07:21 PM (zudum)
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And yes, Trump has Testicles of Titanium.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 07:21 PM (dBuZF)
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"In the end it will be obvious the SS was short staffed, incompetent, the PD screwed up, there was poor communication between them, and their slow actions nearly got Trump murdered."
Plausible Deniability ... is their way.
Sure, they set up all the conditions to have Trump assassinated, but it was "unforeseeable", just some Lone Gunman, like Oswald.
How much direct aid and encouragement was given to the shooter, we will (probably) never know. The ladder to the roof, the knowledge that very close roof would be accessible, were there drugs involved? The father (iirc) declined to speak to media ... what was on the failed assassin's social media?
Plausible Deniability ... is their way.
Sure, they set up all the conditions to have Trump assassinated, but it was "unforeseeable", just some Lone Gunman, like Oswald.
How much direct aid and encouragement was given to the shooter, we will (probably) never know. The ladder to the roof, the knowledge that very close roof would be accessible, were there drugs involved? The father (iirc) declined to speak to media ... what was on the failed assassin's social media?
Posted by: illiniwek at July 14, 2024 07:22 PM (Cus5s)
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The sad thing is nothing will change as a result of this.
Except maybe more 1A and 2A restrictions.
Except maybe more 1A and 2A restrictions.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at July 14, 2024 07:22 PM (bILdU)
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It's always a communist or a mental patient or the CIA.
BIRM.
Every time.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 07:21 PM
Oldie:
Q: How do we know the CIA wasn't involved in the Kennedy assassination?
A: He's dead, isn't he?
BIRM.
Every time.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 07:21 PM
Oldie:
Q: How do we know the CIA wasn't involved in the Kennedy assassination?
A: He's dead, isn't he?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 07:22 PM (Wnv9h)
75
Even odds on if Joey claims to have been shot at tonight.
Even odds on if Joey claims to have been shot at tonight.
Posted by: Auspex at July 14, 2024 07:22 PM (j4U/Z)
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And yes, Trump has Testicles of Titanium.
Posted by: RI Red
Hope he had a great day of golf today!
Posted by: RI Red
Hope he had a great day of golf today!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 14, 2024 07:22 PM (5jVSZ)
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Civil War will not happen Too much apathy on both sides.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM
I fear you're wrong, and I hope you're right (about CW, not apathy.
Buy ammo seems like wonderful guidance, no matter what.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM
I fear you're wrong, and I hope you're right (about CW, not apathy.
Buy ammo seems like wonderful guidance, no matter what.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 07:23 PM (jDfrA)
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Yes pintel just like a 30cal Browning on the back of a jeep would be
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:23 PM (fwDg9)
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the UFC fighters taking selfies with PDT was classic.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 07:23 PM (tT6L1)
80
I bought a problem.
A 6,8,10 ounce cannonball mold. $10 local garage sale. I wish I had more money.
Anyway. I've been working on an 8 oz (aprox. 1 1/4") cannon for a couple of years. Turning a broken hydraulic hammer bit into one.
I went with that size because I cast about 40 balls one time and still have access to the mold.
Problem is I can't have a mold for a ball for a connon I'm not working on.
I have to build 2 more now. A 6 and a 10 ounce.
Damnit.
A 6,8,10 ounce cannonball mold. $10 local garage sale. I wish I had more money.
Anyway. I've been working on an 8 oz (aprox. 1 1/4") cannon for a couple of years. Turning a broken hydraulic hammer bit into one.
I went with that size because I cast about 40 balls one time and still have access to the mold.
Problem is I can't have a mold for a ball for a connon I'm not working on.
I have to build 2 more now. A 6 and a 10 ounce.
Damnit.
Posted by: Reforger at July 14, 2024 07:23 PM (xcIvR)
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Civil War will not happen Too much apathy on both sides.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM (5MvGY)
I for one, am neither for nor against apathy.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM (5MvGY)
I for one, am neither for nor against apathy.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 07:24 PM (W/lyH)
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Early report was that Trump turned to his left while the shot was being taken, so missed and hit his right ear. The shot came from Trump's right. Seems to me if it was just a head turn, and no other movement, he'd have been hit in the head.
I think the shooter was a little more than excited, and his trigger pull pulled the aim a little to the right.
I think the shooter was a little more than excited, and his trigger pull pulled the aim a little to the right.
Posted by: davidt at July 14, 2024 07:24 PM (SYTee)
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45 Way too many on X, TikTok, and even the VTuber community let their deep hatred show yesterday.
There are a lot of ghouls out there.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:14 PM (HeZkj)
On the left absolutely. For us, there is no need for “retribution” ; we have the joy and the luxury of sitting back and watching our enemies utterly destroy themselves while we just have to sit back and smile. It is a truly amazing moment for us!
There are a lot of ghouls out there.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:14 PM (HeZkj)
On the left absolutely. For us, there is no need for “retribution” ; we have the joy and the luxury of sitting back and watching our enemies utterly destroy themselves while we just have to sit back and smile. It is a truly amazing moment for us!
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 07:24 PM (pgG81)
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I watch a hour or so this afternoon clip of Sundowner who has no idea of the motive so let the Eff Bee Eye do its job and find that out
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:24 PM (fwDg9)
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64 Short answer: a competent shooter should have been able to connect at that distance. I've heard it was something like 140 yds. Not a very long shot.
So, in order to reach a level of competency, he was trained, probably? Wonder if it was family or others?
So, in order to reach a level of competency, he was trained, probably? Wonder if it was family or others?
Posted by: EveR at July 14, 2024 07:24 PM (Z/h4+)
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I said to my wife, who is Australian, so not even remotely close to a military woman or wife, other than being married to me, which is hard enough without knowing the intricacies of what it is to be a Marine, btw, I was in The Marine Corps once, don't know if I mentioned it, when they mentioned that a sniper overwatch unit took out the attempted assassin, I said, "that guy is gonna be swimming in a sea of pussy for the rest of his life, the spotter not so much." my wife responded, "You measure glory in pussy?" "it's a military thing, and besides, take that up with Jenjis Khan, the only reason he didn't conquer Australia is the same reason every one else didn't. He didn't care." I really don't bash Australia, it's my home now, but don't talk shit about America, like most Americans, I have far more ammo.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at July 14, 2024 07:25 PM (XKj0h)
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That Denver Post headline... *shaking head*
And the media in general wonders why they're so distrusted, and are having trouble keeping the money coming in.
You just can't fix stupid.
And the media in general wonders why they're so distrusted, and are having trouble keeping the money coming in.
You just can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at July 14, 2024 07:25 PM (O7YUW)
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The claim is being made, without evidence, that the counter sniper team had the bad guy in sight fir several minutes, but were unable to get authority to fire from the secret service. Once the antifa member began firing, at that point it became moot.
Looking over the video it is clear to me that this is very plausible. They were zeroed in on something for some time. Why this situation was not relayed to the protective detail is a mystery.
The tin-foil types are convinced this was a setup to get Mr. Trump murdered.
Looking over the video it is clear to me that this is very plausible. They were zeroed in on something for some time. Why this situation was not relayed to the protective detail is a mystery.
The tin-foil types are convinced this was a setup to get Mr. Trump murdered.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 07:25 PM (u/QE9)
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Civil War will not happen Too much apathy on both sides.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM (5MvGY)
I for one, am neither for nor against apathy.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 07:24 PM
Meh.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM (5MvGY)
I for one, am neither for nor against apathy.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 07:24 PM
Meh.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 07:25 PM (Wnv9h)
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"Short answer: a competent shooter should have been able to connect at that distance. I've heard it was something like 140 yds. Not a very long shot."
imo, Trump was moving, and moved at just the right moment. BUT, the other shots were way off target, and the kill shot of the shooter from (I guess) Secret Service came kinda late. They had eyes on him and he got off ~4 shots before they responded a few seconds later, as I understand it currently.
imo, Trump was moving, and moved at just the right moment. BUT, the other shots were way off target, and the kill shot of the shooter from (I guess) Secret Service came kinda late. They had eyes on him and he got off ~4 shots before they responded a few seconds later, as I understand it currently.
Posted by: illiniwek at July 14, 2024 07:26 PM (Cus5s)
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Duncanthrax, the people that will step won't be like the British and Continental army. Asymmetric warfare has taught us alot.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:26 PM (5MvGY)
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Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea.
The DMV MGC went to the range today. Because that is what we do.
We did a lot of shooting. We also did a lot of discussing of current events. And of buying of ammo. And guns. Because shit, indeed, has gotten real.
The DMV MGC went to the range today. Because that is what we do.
We did a lot of shooting. We also did a lot of discussing of current events. And of buying of ammo. And guns. Because shit, indeed, has gotten real.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 07:26 PM (IFNME)
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Cannibals ate Beau
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:26 PM (HeZkj)
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Report I read was a local police climbed up ladder, shooter pointed at him, police retreated down, seconds later fired 5 shots and milliseconds after was killed by Overwatch sniper(s)
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:27 PM (fwDg9)
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Mistakes were made. We are taking ownership and instituting additional training.
Posted by: The Sekret Servus at July 14, 2024 07:27 PM (vFG9F)
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So I hear the Secret Service said they did their jobs, no changes need to be made. Good grief.
Posted by: InZona at July 14, 2024 07:27 PM (qz1Fg)
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@35
>>what level of proficiency would Crooks have needed?
It's not necessarily about proficiency but about the tools and distance.
He apparently used an AR15 and was around 500 ft away, it looks like his shots were hasty and did not site in, or compensate for wind and distance, so his aim was poor, also the hand of G-d was involved.
>>what level of proficiency would Crooks have needed?
It's not necessarily about proficiency but about the tools and distance.
He apparently used an AR15 and was around 500 ft away, it looks like his shots were hasty and did not site in, or compensate for wind and distance, so his aim was poor, also the hand of G-d was involved.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 07:27 PM (XV/Pl)
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He seems to have been using iron sights. I remember night silhouettes at 500 meters with iron sights back in the day.
Not a “competent” shooter, thank God.
Not a “competent” shooter, thank God.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 07:27 PM (dBuZF)
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Couple things we're picking up on, are the guys on the roof the shooters who took out assassin? Reports keep saying Secret Service took him out. Those guys on the roof?
They're cops.
They're cops.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 07:27 PM (3jD8i)
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willowed:
AP didn't say anything about an associates degree. Said he won a math/science award in high school. He worked at a health facility in food services preparation area.
...
From the same AP article:
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to AP on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
AP didn't say anything about an associates degree. Said he won a math/science award in high school. He worked at a health facility in food services preparation area.
...
From the same AP article:
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to AP on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 14, 2024 07:27 PM (y/M9h)
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Wickedpinto sign!
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 07:28 PM (IFNME)
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Just sayin...
From Shooting News Weekly.
Red Alert: More Than 10 Million Hunters and Gun Owners Aren’t Registered to Vote
https://tinyurl.com/2yyjbmcr
Also..
from Scott Pressler:
#ThePersistence
@ScottPresler
·
6h
I am calling upon every gun store owner in America
to begin providing voter registration forms at their stores
& to make sure that every customer/employee is registered to vote
From Shooting News Weekly.
Red Alert: More Than 10 Million Hunters and Gun Owners Aren’t Registered to Vote
https://tinyurl.com/2yyjbmcr
Also..
from Scott Pressler:
#ThePersistence
@ScottPresler
·
6h
I am calling upon every gun store owner in America
to begin providing voter registration forms at their stores
& to make sure that every customer/employee is registered to vote
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn it! at July 14, 2024 07:28 PM (o3Uyl)
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Wonder if anybody in the SS has a sense of honor to resign and forego their fat pensions.
Obviously a joke; no one on the government teat has anything resembling honor.
Obviously a joke; no one on the government teat has anything resembling honor.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at July 14, 2024 07:28 PM (wBaIH)
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46 Any reliable reports on the assassin's weapon? Type, caliber, etc?
Posted by: davidt at July 14, 2024 07:15 PM (SYTee)
I saw AR in .556 but it was MessNBC they probably looked up Bad Gun on Google and picked one.
Posted by: davidt at July 14, 2024 07:15 PM (SYTee)
I saw AR in .556 but it was MessNBC they probably looked up Bad Gun on Google and picked one.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 07:28 PM (ee6uy)
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77 Civil War will not happen Too much apathy on both sides.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM
I agree completely; if something happens at most it would be like the end of the USSR, where things just fell apart and nobody lifted a finger to keep it together. Nobody is gonna fight and die to save the old regime.
77 Civil War will not happen Too much apathy on both sides.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM
I agree completely; if something happens at most it would be like the end of the USSR, where things just fell apart and nobody lifted a finger to keep it together. Nobody is gonna fight and die to save the old regime.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 07:28 PM (pgG81)
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A number of good scenes of the shooting but what I like was as President Trump reached the vehicle, the crowd began to turn around towards the media's cameras and began flipping the bird. Most media now is fuzzing that out. The crowd knew. Immediately they knew. The years of vitriol coming home to roost.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 07:28 PM (W/lyH)
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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 07:22 PM (Wnv9h)
LOL
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These words "motive", "political violence".
They are focus grouped terms specifically designed to remove emotion from the story. The polar opposite of what they do when noose shaped yarn is found or a tranny is cat scratched.
LOL
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These words "motive", "political violence".
They are focus grouped terms specifically designed to remove emotion from the story. The polar opposite of what they do when noose shaped yarn is found or a tranny is cat scratched.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 07:28 PM (lX8VI)
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Posted by: EveR at July 14, 2024 07:24 PM (Z/h4+)
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It's difficult to say really. With a properly zeroed optic and rifle, even a beginner is going to have trouble missing at that distance.
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It's difficult to say really. With a properly zeroed optic and rifle, even a beginner is going to have trouble missing at that distance.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 07:28 PM (JwHpX)
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IMO there is no explanation for the 'failures
I would like to especially commend the female officer up front. She valiantly blocked the sight-lines between evil-doers and Trump's keys and wallet.
I would like to especially commend the female officer up front. She valiantly blocked the sight-lines between evil-doers and Trump's keys and wallet.
Posted by: Former Guard, White House Pepsi Machine at July 14, 2024 07:29 PM (2fIGV)
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Wind reportedly about 5 mph from Trumps left. So, 2 inch drift for a light .223?
Posted by: Glitch at July 14, 2024 07:30 PM (FcpRq)
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The Sky News Australia video shows DJT talking a few seconds, 15 or so, Overwatch team in background. Shots fired then sadly camera dives down but before that you see the Overwatch team start to move probably firing
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:30 PM (fwDg9)
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From the same AP article:
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to AP on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 14, 2024 07:27 PM (y/M9h)
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Hmmm. If this is accurate, the shooter must have realized he didn't have much time before the cop returned with reinforcements who would not be so polite as to back down. So he decided to act in haste. That, combined with other factors, such as Trump moving his head, seems to have saved Trump from being killed.
One local police officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder, and Crooks quickly took a shot toward Trump, and that’s when Secret Service snipers shot him, said the officials, who spoke to AP on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 14, 2024 07:27 PM (y/M9h)
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Hmmm. If this is accurate, the shooter must have realized he didn't have much time before the cop returned with reinforcements who would not be so polite as to back down. So he decided to act in haste. That, combined with other factors, such as Trump moving his head, seems to have saved Trump from being killed.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 14, 2024 07:30 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: School Resource Officer at July 14, 2024 07:30 PM (XIkHl)
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Trump's ear did not shoot itself.
Posted by: davidt at July 14, 2024 07:30 PM (SYTee)
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America has been in a low level asymmetric civil war for many many years. Nobody has had the guts to call it out. That’s why we’re where we are at right now. Only one side has been playing, and they are making certain if possible this remains the case. I’m not advocating anything, just pointing out the obvious.
If we call them names, we’ll lose the Independent Voters.
If we call them names, we’ll lose the Independent Voters.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 07:30 PM (u/QE9)
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SS might have obeyed their ROE.
Until you know what they were you can't blame the SS.
It would be like blaming military in Afghanistan for not taking out shooters before being fired upon.
Again Mayorkas needs to be held to the fire.
Until you know what they were you can't blame the SS.
It would be like blaming military in Afghanistan for not taking out shooters before being fired upon.
Again Mayorkas needs to be held to the fire.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (5jVSZ)
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It's difficult to say really. With a properly zeroed optic and rifle, even a beginner is going to have trouble missing at that distance.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 07:28 PM
Hell, a BSZ'd AR at that range with iron sights wouldn't be too difficult for a beginner.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 07:28 PM
Hell, a BSZ'd AR at that range with iron sights wouldn't be too difficult for a beginner.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (Wnv9h)
118
Civil War will not happen Too much apathy on both sides.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM (5MvGY)
It's already happening. It's just cold. Sanctuary cities is essentially nullification by another name.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM (5MvGY)
It's already happening. It's just cold. Sanctuary cities is essentially nullification by another name.
Posted by: InZona at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (qz1Fg)
119
This morning the NYTimes published an editorial stating that Trump was unfit for the presidency
less than 24 hrs after an assassination attempt
they never stop
less than 24 hrs after an assassination attempt
they never stop
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (/7KEl)
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109 Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 07:28 PM (JwHpX)
Mechanically you are correct, operationally might be another matter.
Kid had been observed and probably had never gone to the range with 900 rounds with the self-instruction set....
"I am not coming home until these rounds and those 40 broomsticks are gone."
People have differing depths of skill.
Mechanically you are correct, operationally might be another matter.
Kid had been observed and probably had never gone to the range with 900 rounds with the self-instruction set....
"I am not coming home until these rounds and those 40 broomsticks are gone."
People have differing depths of skill.
Posted by: sven at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (X0I7i)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (1Nxff)
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"The shot came from Trump's right. Seems to me if it was just a head turn, and no other movement, he'd have been hit in the head."
I saw (once) a different angle .. looked like his head turn (maybe also body, idk) moved him to his left enough to get the ear, not the brain. Must be some real analysis of that somewhere.
I saw (once) a different angle .. looked like his head turn (maybe also body, idk) moved him to his left enough to get the ear, not the brain. Must be some real analysis of that somewhere.
Posted by: illiniwek at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Coelacanth at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (4AI6f)
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If the SS are short staffed and not able to provide adequate security, they should speak up and say "Don't come, we can't secure the area".
Posted by: fd at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (vFG9F)
125
Did they get all the broken glass cleaned up?
Posted by: davidt at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (SYTee)
126
"And the media in general wonders why they're so distrusted, and are having trouble keeping the money coming in.
You just can't fix stupid."
No, they are EVIL, As I mention my wife, she is not a dullard, she is actually a very accomplished and educated woman, but she is Australian, she doesn't understand things the way we do.
"They have LIED! to you EVERY FUCKING DAY, remember covid? remember them guilting us about the vaxx? remember them trying to take (our kid) away from us? remember how the media supported all of that? and how they say that President Trump was scared of loud noises? They want power, they want to control you and us, it doesn't work with me, don't let it work with you, because they are EVIL."
Almost an exact quote, and yes I talk to my wife like that because she's not a fucking moron.
You just can't fix stupid."
No, they are EVIL, As I mention my wife, she is not a dullard, she is actually a very accomplished and educated woman, but she is Australian, she doesn't understand things the way we do.
"They have LIED! to you EVERY FUCKING DAY, remember covid? remember them guilting us about the vaxx? remember them trying to take (our kid) away from us? remember how the media supported all of that? and how they say that President Trump was scared of loud noises? They want power, they want to control you and us, it doesn't work with me, don't let it work with you, because they are EVIL."
Almost an exact quote, and yes I talk to my wife like that because she's not a fucking moron.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (XKj0h)
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Sure, they set up all the conditions to have Trump assassinated, but it was "unforeseeable", just some Lone Gunman, like Oswald.
How much direct aid and encouragement was given to the shooter, we will (probably) never know. The ladder to the roof, the knowledge that very close roof would be accessible, were there drugs involved? The father (iirc) declined to speak to media ... what was on the failed assassin's social media?
Posted by: illiniwek
Well, the feds really, REALLY, suck at keeping their encouragement hidden.
"Tear up Texas" ring any bells?
ATF has been caught entrapping people in multiple operations, and of course Fast and Furious.
So if he was manipulated, I believe we will know.
My father worked for the IRS back in the 70's to the early 80's.
They shared a building with the FBI.
Even back then the IRS was a mess, and leadership was dirty.
The FBI was mostly incompetent and this was all before DEI was brought into the mix.
Think things got better since then?
Sure, they set up all the conditions to have Trump assassinated, but it was "unforeseeable", just some Lone Gunman, like Oswald.
How much direct aid and encouragement was given to the shooter, we will (probably) never know. The ladder to the roof, the knowledge that very close roof would be accessible, were there drugs involved? The father (iirc) declined to speak to media ... what was on the failed assassin's social media?
Posted by: illiniwek
Well, the feds really, REALLY, suck at keeping their encouragement hidden.
"Tear up Texas" ring any bells?
ATF has been caught entrapping people in multiple operations, and of course Fast and Furious.
So if he was manipulated, I believe we will know.
My father worked for the IRS back in the 70's to the early 80's.
They shared a building with the FBI.
Even back then the IRS was a mess, and leadership was dirty.
The FBI was mostly incompetent and this was all before DEI was brought into the mix.
Think things got better since then?
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:32 PM (elaR+)
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And in an effort to lighten up the "shit status: real" atmosphere of the last 24 hours..
Dumb questions about guns:
https://youtu.be/f5__LXYsHEs?si=VfrZviTnL9ZIoqyS
Dumb questions about guns:
https://youtu.be/f5__LXYsHEs?si=VfrZviTnL9ZIoqyS
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 07:32 PM (q21JI)
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117 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (Wnv9h)
I hit the 300 yd target more consistently than the 75 with my A2 back in the day.
I hit the 300 yd target more consistently than the 75 with my A2 back in the day.
Posted by: sven at July 14, 2024 07:32 PM (X0I7i)
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I'd honestly like to know why the cop didn't stick his hand over the top of the roof and loose a few rounds at the guy. I know it's a less than ideal way to handle things but, in that situation, there is no ideal. Forcing the guy to move probably saves a life.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 07:32 PM (tT6L1)
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Weasel, good move opening the thread like this
otherwise it would be like trying to keep the elephant out of the room
otherwise it would be like trying to keep the elephant out of the room
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 07:33 PM (/7KEl)
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A deranged lunatic
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I don't know that either of those terms is warranted.
Some kid listened to what government officials and state media has been saying for nearly a decade and acted accordingly.
It's evil, but completely rational.
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I don't know that either of those terms is warranted.
Some kid listened to what government officials and state media has been saying for nearly a decade and acted accordingly.
It's evil, but completely rational.
Posted by: Methos at July 14, 2024 07:33 PM (Dnobf)
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Posted by: REDACTED at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (us2H3)
Good to see you but you're better off just not antagonizing right now.
My feeling is either go out in a legendary blaze of glory never to return, or wait some months until things cool down and usually you can just come back.
Good to see you but you're better off just not antagonizing right now.
My feeling is either go out in a legendary blaze of glory never to return, or wait some months until things cool down and usually you can just come back.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 07:33 PM (lX8VI)
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New York Times, "what's a Holodomor?"
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:33 PM (HeZkj)
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I would like to especially commend the female officer up front. She valiantly blocked the sight-lines between evil-doers and Trump's keys and wallet.
Posted by: Former Guard, White House Pepsi Machine at July 14, 2024 07:29 PM (2fIGV)
I am as snarky and cynical as anyone, however, the photo with Trump with his fist in the air and the female agent ducking down is out of context. In the video, Trump stopped the whole circle of agents and pushed his way through them so that he could be visible. He wanted the world to know that he was okay.
I get it that this government and our institutions have done a lot to earn a significant level of distrust. But this particular thing was just a thing that happened. Nothing nefarious, not necessarily a sign of malfeasance or incompetence.
The rest of what was going on....
Posted by: Former Guard, White House Pepsi Machine at July 14, 2024 07:29 PM (2fIGV)
I am as snarky and cynical as anyone, however, the photo with Trump with his fist in the air and the female agent ducking down is out of context. In the video, Trump stopped the whole circle of agents and pushed his way through them so that he could be visible. He wanted the world to know that he was okay.
I get it that this government and our institutions have done a lot to earn a significant level of distrust. But this particular thing was just a thing that happened. Nothing nefarious, not necessarily a sign of malfeasance or incompetence.
The rest of what was going on....
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 07:34 PM (IFNME)
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I'm sure you all have mentioned the SS agent who couldn't holster her weapon. And the other SS agent messing with the sunglasses.
Posted by: InZona at July 14, 2024 07:34 PM (qz1Fg)
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You'll shoot your ear off!
Posted by: Ralfie's Mom at July 14, 2024 07:34 PM (SYTee)
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So I hear the Secret Service said they did their jobs, no changes need to be made. Good grief.
So they followed Protocol. The System Worked!
What more do you want? Sheesh
So they followed Protocol. The System Worked!
What more do you want? Sheesh
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 07:34 PM (u/QE9)
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See a comment elsewhere, two other men were wounded but should be fine, 57 yo and 74yo
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:35 PM (fwDg9)
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ImZona, I respectfully disagree. No one is going to confront their lib neighbor with a threat of violence.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:35 PM (5MvGY)
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and what's up with Chubby Lady SecSer agent seemingly struggling to holster her weapon
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 07:35 PM (/7KEl)
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I was less than impressed with the female contingent of SS personnel.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 07:35 PM (dBuZF)
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130 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 07:32 PM (tT6L1)
Son, the first rule of policing is "go home at the end of your shift and don't get sued!"
//Uncle Uvalde
Son, the first rule of policing is "go home at the end of your shift and don't get sued!"
//Uncle Uvalde
Posted by: sven at July 14, 2024 07:35 PM (X0I7i)
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Ola ca va?
I have not seen anywhere real detail about the rifle. I presume an AR in 5.56mm but what I want to know is did it have an optic? I was joking that it would be a poverty pony brand.
I have not seen anywhere real detail about the rifle. I presume an AR in 5.56mm but what I want to know is did it have an optic? I was joking that it would be a poverty pony brand.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:35 PM (bgJ0E)
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Maybe the cop going up the ladder made the POS rush that shot. I can believe that.
Whatever it was made that bullet miss, we are lucky to have Trump with us today at that range.
Whatever it was made that bullet miss, we are lucky to have Trump with us today at that range.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 07:35 PM (ee6uy)
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I caught Penn. Governor Shapiro (D). this morning.
Thought he gave a nice tribute to Corey Comperatore and his family.
It was really surprising to see someone from that party who wasn't a loon.
Went away thinking he's a good guy.
Thought he gave a nice tribute to Corey Comperatore and his family.
It was really surprising to see someone from that party who wasn't a loon.
Went away thinking he's a good guy.
Posted by: DAN at July 14, 2024 07:36 PM (rn2/h)
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How far ahead of time was the rally announced? Did he have weeks to prepare or just days? Did he have to prepare...
Posted by: fd at July 14, 2024 07:37 PM (vFG9F)
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132 Posted by: Methos at July 14, 2024 07:33 PM (Dnobf)
Not a KNOWN wolf in this case the lad was a GROWN wolf...
raised by two democrat social(ist) workers steeped in a DEI mill school and in a blackrock commercial.
Not a KNOWN wolf in this case the lad was a GROWN wolf...
raised by two democrat social(ist) workers steeped in a DEI mill school and in a blackrock commercial.
Posted by: sven at July 14, 2024 07:37 PM (X0I7i)
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The sense I get is that Biden Admin has been deliberately short-staffing USSS protection for those who should have it and USSS muckity-mucks are assigning those people second/third rate agents.
Both cases are intended to weaken protection. Yes, and if something goes bad they can just shrug their shoulders and pretend they did not consciencely choose to give a 'nudge' in that direction.
Then you have that clown who introduced legislation (bill of attainder) to strip Trump of protection....
Both cases are intended to weaken protection. Yes, and if something goes bad they can just shrug their shoulders and pretend they did not consciencely choose to give a 'nudge' in that direction.
Then you have that clown who introduced legislation (bill of attainder) to strip Trump of protection....
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 14, 2024 07:37 PM (cOq4q)
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So they followed Protocol. The System Worked!
What more do you want? Sheesh
Combat ribbons. You have no idea how dangerous it was out there!
What more do you want? Sheesh
Combat ribbons. You have no idea how dangerous it was out there!
Posted by: USSS at July 14, 2024 07:37 PM (2fIGV)
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Civil War will not happen Too much apathy on both sides.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM
Over the history of America, the relative power and strength of the different branches of government has ebbed and flowed. Today, decades of enormous Executive power has, perhaps, reached its high point. And now, perhaps, the Legislative branch will reassert control.
But...can we trust it?
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:16 PM
Over the history of America, the relative power and strength of the different branches of government has ebbed and flowed. Today, decades of enormous Executive power has, perhaps, reached its high point. And now, perhaps, the Legislative branch will reassert control.
But...can we trust it?
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 07:37 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at July 14, 2024 07:37 PM (GuMeT)
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I have not seen anywhere real detail about the rifle. I presume an AR in 5.56mm but what I want to know is did it have an optic? I was joking that it would be a poverty pony brand.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:35 PM (bgJ0E)
I have seen a photo of the shooter lined up on the rifle - it looks like it has iron sights but the angle doesn't show the top of the rifle forward of the rear sights.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:35 PM (bgJ0E)
I have seen a photo of the shooter lined up on the rifle - it looks like it has iron sights but the angle doesn't show the top of the rifle forward of the rear sights.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 07:37 PM (IFNME)
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Does the Secret Service not have PT standards? Can you be a porker and make the grade?
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 07:38 PM (/7KEl)
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144 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:35 PM (bgJ0E)
It was his "libertarian" (democrat) social(ist) worker dads....
hell if the kid was a grown wolf he had a Daniel Defense
It was his "libertarian" (democrat) social(ist) worker dads....
hell if the kid was a grown wolf he had a Daniel Defense
Posted by: sven at July 14, 2024 07:38 PM (X0I7i)
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Good evening horde. Thanks Weasel.
Yes, been to the range. Took a class on fundamentals. One take away was to work more on trigger control. Steady progress, but clearly an area where things can go wrong so need to purge anomalies. Stance, grip, sight line, trigger, buy more ammo. Rinse, repeat.
Yes, been to the range. Took a class on fundamentals. One take away was to work more on trigger control. Steady progress, but clearly an area where things can go wrong so need to purge anomalies. Stance, grip, sight line, trigger, buy more ammo. Rinse, repeat.
Posted by: TRex at July 14, 2024 07:38 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Where we are. Tim Kaine has not denounced his antifa son.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:38 PM (5MvGY)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 07:38 PM (1Nxff)
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Evening.
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 07:38 PM (fkxLU)
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On actual firearm related matters ...
At a gun club swap meet I was able to pick up a pound of HP-38 for ten bucks. (It helps to be lucky and keep your eyes open for bargains.) This was the old rectangular container but was still sealed and I've reloaded older powders with no problems.
Note: HP-38 and W231 are supposed to be the same powder, made in the same factory just with different labels. Good stuff for light cast bullet loads for 38 special, 44 special, etc. I don't need it but can use it as a gift for a newby starting out in hand loading. It also is supposed to meter well for consistent weights.
At a gun club swap meet I was able to pick up a pound of HP-38 for ten bucks. (It helps to be lucky and keep your eyes open for bargains.) This was the old rectangular container but was still sealed and I've reloaded older powders with no problems.
Note: HP-38 and W231 are supposed to be the same powder, made in the same factory just with different labels. Good stuff for light cast bullet loads for 38 special, 44 special, etc. I don't need it but can use it as a gift for a newby starting out in hand loading. It also is supposed to meter well for consistent weights.
Posted by: JTB at July 14, 2024 07:38 PM (zudum)
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NZ Frank, I saw some official say it was an AR 556.
FWIW.
I could not see optic on the one picture I saw.
Father’s rifle, evidently.
But 48 hr rule.
FWIW.
I could not see optic on the one picture I saw.
Father’s rifle, evidently.
But 48 hr rule.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 07:39 PM (dBuZF)
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IIRC, the Secret Service, which is now under DHS I guess, which is stupid, the reason they were in the Treasury is because the president is 100% accountable for that, anyways,
IIRC The Secret Service is responsible for the PRESIDENT, and their other assignments alone, they have to coordinate and share with local law enforcement according to THEIR needs.
So who knows, the Secret Service, which isn't at all Secret, and needs a new name, isn't the monolithic empire of competence and force that we make it out to be. If I were Trump, I would request off duty cadets from Great Lakes when in the midwest, or MCT Marines from the coast to stand his guard. The SS just be supervisors.
When I was in MCT, (Marine Combat Training, I don't know if I mentioned but I was in The Marine Corps at one time) I was guarding the ammo "locker" and I had a Staff Sgt, who was not MY Staff Sgt, walk into my guard line. I shoved him back, I said, "REASON AND RIGHT!" I fucked up the words, I was a new guy.
He said, "you see this." which immediately pissed me off, as he flicked his collar. "Give me your reason and your authorization Sir, Staff Sgt." I remember that, I had enough boot in me to
IIRC The Secret Service is responsible for the PRESIDENT, and their other assignments alone, they have to coordinate and share with local law enforcement according to THEIR needs.
So who knows, the Secret Service, which isn't at all Secret, and needs a new name, isn't the monolithic empire of competence and force that we make it out to be. If I were Trump, I would request off duty cadets from Great Lakes when in the midwest, or MCT Marines from the coast to stand his guard. The SS just be supervisors.
When I was in MCT, (Marine Combat Training, I don't know if I mentioned but I was in The Marine Corps at one time) I was guarding the ammo "locker" and I had a Staff Sgt, who was not MY Staff Sgt, walk into my guard line. I shoved him back, I said, "REASON AND RIGHT!" I fucked up the words, I was a new guy.
He said, "you see this." which immediately pissed me off, as he flicked his collar. "Give me your reason and your authorization Sir, Staff Sgt." I remember that, I had enough boot in me to
Posted by: Wickedpinto at July 14, 2024 07:39 PM (XKj0h)
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136 I'm sure you all have mentioned the SS agent who couldn't holster her weapon. And the other SS agent messing with the sunglasses.
Posted by: InZona at July 14, 2024 07:34 PM (qz1Fg)
Yeah, the stunningly brave wymyn SS agents at the limo made us all proud.
Posted by: InZona at July 14, 2024 07:34 PM (qz1Fg)
Yeah, the stunningly brave wymyn SS agents at the limo made us all proud.
Posted by: Auspex at July 14, 2024 07:39 PM (j4U/Z)
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It's difficult to say really. With a properly zeroed optic and rifle, even a beginner is going to have trouble missing at that distance.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 07:28 PM (JwHpX)
Hard to aim straight when God puts his finger on the barrel.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 07:28 PM (JwHpX)
Hard to aim straight when God puts his finger on the barrel.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 07:39 PM (pgG81)
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CNN: Shannen Doherty, ‘Beverly Hills, 90210’ and ‘Charmed’ star, dead at 53
https://tinyurl.com/yvxx4fr9
The bullet meant for Donald Trump struck Shannen Doherty instead.
https://tinyurl.com/yvxx4fr9
The bullet meant for Donald Trump struck Shannen Doherty instead.
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 07:40 PM (fkxLU)
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He apparently used an AR15 and was around 500 ft away, it looks like his shots were hasty and did not site in, or compensate for wind and distance, so his aim was poor, also the hand of G-d was involved.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 07:27 PM (XV/Pl)
Whoever took the shot that hit Trump, and that might not have been the shooter on the roof, had perfect aim. He only missed because Trump tilted his head just before the shot was taken.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 07:27 PM (XV/Pl)
Whoever took the shot that hit Trump, and that might not have been the shooter on the roof, had perfect aim. He only missed because Trump tilted his head just before the shot was taken.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 07:40 PM (uZ2BU)
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Full audio here:
https://tinyurl.com/3rh2m382
14 seconds; shot pattern clearly audible.
3 spaced out a bit; 4 quick; 1 final.
3 asshole?? $ and 1 two different sets of cops??
https://tinyurl.com/3rh2m382
14 seconds; shot pattern clearly audible.
3 spaced out a bit; 4 quick; 1 final.
3 asshole?? $ and 1 two different sets of cops??
Posted by: andycanuck (Jh5b+) at July 14, 2024 07:40 PM (Jh5b+)
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Not a KNOWN wolf in this case the lad was a GROWN wolf...
raised by two democrat social(ist) workers steeped in a DEI mill school and in a blackrock commercial.
Posted by: sven at July 14,
They're going to seal his stuff up like the TN judge with the tranny shooter.
raised by two democrat social(ist) workers steeped in a DEI mill school and in a blackrock commercial.
Posted by: sven at July 14,
They're going to seal his stuff up like the TN judge with the tranny shooter.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at July 14, 2024 07:40 PM (bILdU)
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Diogenes, no we can't. You have a self defense plan
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (5MvGY)
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If the SS are short staffed and not able to provide adequate security, they should speak up and say "Don't come, we can't secure the area".
Posted by: fd
That is EXACTLY what Mayorkas wants... no more Trump rallies.
Posted by: fd
That is EXACTLY what Mayorkas wants... no more Trump rallies.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (9cSl+)
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Wow, this time I managed to read the content!
What’s burning Weasel?
Joya de Nicaragua Antano CT here (one of my faves).
What’s burning Weasel?
Joya de Nicaragua Antano CT here (one of my faves).
Posted by: rhomboid at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (QPjUO)
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There's a pretty good chance the shooter, once he was discovered, went a little "spray and pray."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (tT6L1)
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Pic of the shooter showed him wearing a t-shirt from a 2a/gun YouTube site.
Posted by: davidt at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (SYTee)
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New Mexico's state government wants to ban firearms. To further that the state got rid of the 2 year online CCW recertification test and replaced it with the live fire test for the CCW. I am pretty sure the Santa Fe mafia brain trust thought they were adding a hassle to the 2 year recertification and just might get some people let their CCW lapse. It is not working.
Exceeding tedious online test or going to the gun range?
Let me think about this...OK...Oh, please, stop with the beatings, please, stop, it hurts so much. Or words to that effect. I had a great time at the range and blew 24 out 25 shots through 2" circle. The agony of it all.
Exceeding tedious online test or going to the gun range?
Let me think about this...OK...Oh, please, stop with the beatings, please, stop, it hurts so much. Or words to that effect. I had a great time at the range and blew 24 out 25 shots through 2" circle. The agony of it all.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (RUmyk)
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May I remind you about Trump that "He can actually control what people think, and that is our job…"
Posted by: Mika Brzezinski & the Deep Staters at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (jDfrA)
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Elon immediately endorsed Trump after the attack. Maybe he will write a $1 billion dollar check. Literally
Posted by: Jmel at July 14, 2024 07:42 PM (bVhJi)
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168 Posted by: I've got bad news for you at July 14, 2024 07:40 PM (bILdU)
The order has gone out to the kept GOP punditry....
over at Insty's Davey Berenstein was arguing there was no there there and no reason to be angry at the left at all....
Gonna be an interesting 4 months.
The order has gone out to the kept GOP punditry....
over at Insty's Davey Berenstein was arguing there was no there there and no reason to be angry at the left at all....
Gonna be an interesting 4 months.
Posted by: sven at July 14, 2024 07:42 PM (X0I7i)
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"That is EXACTLY what Mayorkas wants... no more Trump rallies.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron"
The campaign can afford superior security.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron"
The campaign can afford superior security.
Posted by: fd at July 14, 2024 07:42 PM (vFG9F)
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call everyone of higher rank, which was everyone, "sir"
He said, "step back PVT" (I was still a PVT, I got into a lot of trouble while in.) and I said, "Staff Sgt, SHOW ME OR...." and I drew my charging handle back, and I waited.
It was a TENSE period of time, I had just engaged in "deadly force" according to the rules, and if I released that rod, I would be in for office hours.
I held the charging hammer back and said, "Sir, you need to leave without authorization, this is a security issue, not one of rank."
He walked away, and I surreptitiously fished the round out of the chamber, and replaced it into the mag.
It was a tense moment for a 19 year old kid, who took his job serious.
He said, "step back PVT" (I was still a PVT, I got into a lot of trouble while in.) and I said, "Staff Sgt, SHOW ME OR...." and I drew my charging handle back, and I waited.
It was a TENSE period of time, I had just engaged in "deadly force" according to the rules, and if I released that rod, I would be in for office hours.
I held the charging hammer back and said, "Sir, you need to leave without authorization, this is a security issue, not one of rank."
He walked away, and I surreptitiously fished the round out of the chamber, and replaced it into the mag.
It was a tense moment for a 19 year old kid, who took his job serious.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at July 14, 2024 07:42 PM (XKj0h)
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Height and weight standards, tatoos, past felonies, drug use, all that stuff went out the window. across the board.
One thing about the butterball brigade in uniform, one of the things that has got to keep them awake at night is the ability for a large assailant to simply steal their firearm and turn it back on them, and/or the VIP.
This happens in prison situations. Chicks don’t belong in certain situations, there’s no way around this. The idea that people are simply interchangeable meat sticks has gotten countless people killed and it ain’t over yet.
One thing about the butterball brigade in uniform, one of the things that has got to keep them awake at night is the ability for a large assailant to simply steal their firearm and turn it back on them, and/or the VIP.
This happens in prison situations. Chicks don’t belong in certain situations, there’s no way around this. The idea that people are simply interchangeable meat sticks has gotten countless people killed and it ain’t over yet.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 07:42 PM (u/QE9)
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The sense I get is that Biden Admin has been deliberately short-staffing USSS protection for those who should have it and USSS muckity-mucks are assigning those people second/third rate agents.
Both cases are intended to weaken protection. Yes, and if something goes bad they can just shrug their shoulders and pretend they did not consciencely choose to give a 'nudge' in that direction.
Then you have that clown who introduced legislation (bill of attainder) to strip Trump of protection....
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
I think you have something there.
They only grudgingly gave him the protection he had.
Both cases are intended to weaken protection. Yes, and if something goes bad they can just shrug their shoulders and pretend they did not consciencely choose to give a 'nudge' in that direction.
Then you have that clown who introduced legislation (bill of attainder) to strip Trump of protection....
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
I think you have something there.
They only grudgingly gave him the protection he had.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:43 PM (elaR+)
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Weasel, how's FSJ doing?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 07:43 PM (jDfrA)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:43 PM (HeZkj)
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over at Insty's Davey Berenstein was arguing there was no there there and no reason to be angry at the left at all....
Gonna be an interesting 4 months.
Posted by: sven at July 14, 2024 07:42 PM (X0I7i)
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Yeah, just another clueless, "That's not who we are "GOPe."
Gonna be an interesting 4 months.
Posted by: sven at July 14, 2024 07:42 PM (X0I7i)
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Yeah, just another clueless, "That's not who we are "GOPe."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 07:43 PM (tT6L1)
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173 Posted by: davidt at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (SYTee)
Demolition Ranch, he also registered as a GOPer for 22, likely to get OZ the nomination....
if I were running a personal op I would happily register as a donk here in LA La land to drop chaff and flares.
Demolition Ranch, he also registered as a GOPer for 22, likely to get OZ the nomination....
if I were running a personal op I would happily register as a donk here in LA La land to drop chaff and flares.
Posted by: sven at July 14, 2024 07:43 PM (X0I7i)
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98 He seems to have been using iron sights. I remember night silhouettes at 500 meters with iron sights back in the day.
Not a “competent” shooter, thank God.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 07:27 PM (dBuZF)
Could be the shot that hit Trump was just wild assed luck on his part, as he was just spraying.
Not a “competent” shooter, thank God.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 07:27 PM (dBuZF)
Could be the shot that hit Trump was just wild assed luck on his part, as he was just spraying.
Posted by: javems at July 14, 2024 07:44 PM (8I4hW)
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I can't say that was the best pork chop ever grilled. That would be arrogant.
But it was clearly in the top 3.
Less than 20 minutes until the drooling idiot in the Oval Office addresses the nation. I'm pretty sure one of the results of the failed assassination attempt on Trump is that Democrats are now stuck with Joe. Nobody is going to walk into that shit storm and throw away their career.
But it was clearly in the top 3.
Less than 20 minutes until the drooling idiot in the Oval Office addresses the nation. I'm pretty sure one of the results of the failed assassination attempt on Trump is that Democrats are now stuck with Joe. Nobody is going to walk into that shit storm and throw away their career.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 07:44 PM (LkLld)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:44 PM (HeZkj)
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OK ,so if it was Daddys rifle I would bet he had SFA trigger time on it. If it was his rifle I would presume he knew a bit more and may have even zeroed it.
From what I have gleaned he was a fuckup in life and most likely not disciplined enough to have any training in marksmanship principles and assumed that (like in the movies) he was so close how could he miss?
From what I have gleaned he was a fuckup in life and most likely not disciplined enough to have any training in marksmanship principles and assumed that (like in the movies) he was so close how could he miss?
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:44 PM (bgJ0E)
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The order has gone out to the kept GOP punditry....
over at Insty's Davey Berenstein was arguing there was no there there and no reason to be angry at the left at all....
Gonna be an interesting 4 months.
Posted by: sven
He can eat a bag of dicks
over at Insty's Davey Berenstein was arguing there was no there there and no reason to be angry at the left at all....
Gonna be an interesting 4 months.
Posted by: sven
He can eat a bag of dicks
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:45 PM (elaR+)
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See a comment elsewhere, two other men were wounded but should be fine, 57 yo and 74yo
Posted by: Skip
With the mass of people behind Trump one would expect every round to hit somebody. So, with the guy who was killed that makes three shots before LEO lit him up.
Posted by: Skip
With the mass of people behind Trump one would expect every round to hit somebody. So, with the guy who was killed that makes three shots before LEO lit him up.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 14, 2024 07:45 PM (cOq4q)
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Yeah, just another clueless, "That's not who we are "GOPe."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in
And they're going against BAMN.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in
And they're going against BAMN.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at July 14, 2024 07:45 PM (bILdU)
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Did RFK Jr. get SS protection after this catastrophe?
Without even bothering to check if this happened I am going to go with nope. I hope I am wrong.
Without even bothering to check if this happened I am going to go with nope. I hope I am wrong.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 14, 2024 07:45 PM (RUmyk)
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Diogenes, no we can't. You have a self defense plan
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (5MvGY)
I can neither confirm or deny any such plan may or may not exist.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (5MvGY)
I can neither confirm or deny any such plan may or may not exist.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 07:45 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (HeZkj)
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183 Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:43 PM (HeZkj)
Very much so, essentially the geek donkey baby burros who cannot be convinced to go Tranny or Gay are kept as pet monsters in the bullpen.
Kid's legend is he was bullied mercilessly" etc etc "sat alone at lunch", but in all likelihood mom and dad were at least somewhat connected democrat civil servants in a state with pretty entrenched PEU traditions....he may not have grown up in privilege but he sure as hell had nice comfy stability.
Very much so, essentially the geek donkey baby burros who cannot be convinced to go Tranny or Gay are kept as pet monsters in the bullpen.
Kid's legend is he was bullied mercilessly" etc etc "sat alone at lunch", but in all likelihood mom and dad were at least somewhat connected democrat civil servants in a state with pretty entrenched PEU traditions....he may not have grown up in privilege but he sure as hell had nice comfy stability.
Posted by: sven at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (X0I7i)
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"he was so close how could he miss?
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2"
Turned out to be not quite like a video game.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2"
Turned out to be not quite like a video game.
Posted by: fd at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (63Dwl)
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As much as Australia is being overtaken like the US, I'm surprised that skynews is so based. I really like the Riti Panini clips. She is hilarious!
Posted by: haffhowershower at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (NMT5x)
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rhomboid - the usual cheapo $2 cigar
Duncanthrax - FSJ is doing great! Had a bit of a scare regarding WCv2 the last few days, but it turned out to be a UTI and she's on the mend.
Duncanthrax - FSJ is doing great! Had a bit of a scare regarding WCv2 the last few days, but it turned out to be a UTI and she's on the mend.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (JwHpX)
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He seems to have been using iron sights. I remember night silhouettes at 500 meters with iron sights back in the day.
Not a “competent” shooter, thank God.
Posted by: RI Red
I have a pic that appears to show some kind of red dot on the rifle
Not a “competent” shooter, thank God.
Posted by: RI Red
I have a pic that appears to show some kind of red dot on the rifle
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (elaR+)
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I considered hitting the range today, and decided not to. Just too jangled. I woke at 3:30, angry and newly struck by what a very close call it was. I am getting closer to simply being grateful that it was not worse.
You know what jolted me out of feeling excessively stressed? Cleaning my gun.
You know what jolted me out of feeling excessively stressed? Cleaning my gun.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (hmKaK)
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Is it worth playing Biden Buzzword Bingo tonight?
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 14, 2024 07:47 PM (RUmyk)
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Wind reportedly about 5 mph from Trumps left. So, 2 inch drift for a light .223?
Posted by: Glitch at July 14, 2024 07:30 PM (FcpRq)
No, 5MPH wind won't move the round at that distance, that much. It would be fractions of an inch, if at all.
Posted by: Glitch at July 14, 2024 07:30 PM (FcpRq)
No, 5MPH wind won't move the round at that distance, that much. It would be fractions of an inch, if at all.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 07:47 PM (mkRXj)
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@166
>>He only missed because Trump tilted his head just before the shot was taken.
If the shooter had put the shot on center mass of his head or body, it wouldn't have mattered if Trump turned his head.
But there are a lot of factors at play, mostly G-d.
>>He only missed because Trump tilted his head just before the shot was taken.
If the shooter had put the shot on center mass of his head or body, it wouldn't have mattered if Trump turned his head.
But there are a lot of factors at play, mostly G-d.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 07:47 PM (XV/Pl)
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55 grain .223 has a .88 inch drop at 150 yards.
There was apparently a 5mph breeze that day.
He was using his dad's rifle, so no idea how well sighted it was or if he practiced prior to this.
Curious if he knew the distance ahead of time. He didn't get up there with a later distance finder prior to taking a shot so doubtful he put much into figuring out where to aim.
My best guess is he aimed forehead and missed 1 inch low and four inches left from the windage that literally saved Trump's life.
There was apparently a 5mph breeze that day.
He was using his dad's rifle, so no idea how well sighted it was or if he practiced prior to this.
Curious if he knew the distance ahead of time. He didn't get up there with a later distance finder prior to taking a shot so doubtful he put much into figuring out where to aim.
My best guess is he aimed forehead and missed 1 inch low and four inches left from the windage that literally saved Trump's life.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 07:48 PM (7+K68)
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"There's a pretty good chance the shooter, once he was discovered, went a little "spray and pray."
yeah, he had to be a little excited, adrenaline pumping, seconds to "fulfil his destiny" -- not exactly like match shooting, or target practice. He was "changing the world", and almost certainly knew he was about to die violently.
And he was only 20.
yeah, he had to be a little excited, adrenaline pumping, seconds to "fulfil his destiny" -- not exactly like match shooting, or target practice. He was "changing the world", and almost certainly knew he was about to die violently.
And he was only 20.
Posted by: illiniwek at July 14, 2024 07:48 PM (Cus5s)
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The USMC rifle qual starts at 200 meters in sitting kneeling and offhand. That’s with iron sights. Point is, 150 meters is not a tough shot. No reason whatsoever that roof should’ve been left uncovered.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 14, 2024 07:48 PM (u73oe)
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Last night I watch shooting video at least 5 times trying to count and guess shot spacing .
I thought yesterday 3 by shooter the rest by Overwatch.
We have 4 people hit but that could be from as few as 2 bullets, easily 3.
I thought yesterday 3 by shooter the rest by Overwatch.
We have 4 people hit but that could be from as few as 2 bullets, easily 3.
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:48 PM (fwDg9)
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Somebody ask Hrothgar if he's bought any guns lately....
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 07:48 PM (IFNME)
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Anyone exposed to the training with any of the .mil sniper schools will know the critical error the shooter made, yesterday.
But, I'll not type it out here. Not going to provide "free coaching" to the other side.
THANK GOD that President Trump was spared.
With prayers up for the Fireman who was killed, the two others wounded, and for all the victim's families.
As for the shooter's family? The knowledge that Kid Splat was their spawn, oughta be punishment enough? Unless they knew of his bent plans.
And under Weasel Rules, this is where I stop.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
But, I'll not type it out here. Not going to provide "free coaching" to the other side.
THANK GOD that President Trump was spared.
With prayers up for the Fireman who was killed, the two others wounded, and for all the victim's families.
As for the shooter's family? The knowledge that Kid Splat was their spawn, oughta be punishment enough? Unless they knew of his bent plans.
And under Weasel Rules, this is where I stop.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at July 14, 2024 07:48 PM (kQgoX)
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Any magic bullets?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (HeZkj)
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America has been in a low level asymmetric civil war for many many years. Nobody has had the guts to call it out. That’s why we’re where we are at right now. Only one side has been playing, and they are making certain if possible this remains the case. I’m not advocating anything, just pointing out the obvious.
If we call them names, we’ll lose the Independent Voters.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 07:30 PM
We are nowhere close to what was going on in the late 1960s. Race riots all over the place, bombs going off all over the place targeting government buildings, violent war protests happening nearly every day and jfk had been taken out by the cia/deep state not too far in the past.
If we call them names, we’ll lose the Independent Voters.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 07:30 PM
We are nowhere close to what was going on in the late 1960s. Race riots all over the place, bombs going off all over the place targeting government buildings, violent war protests happening nearly every day and jfk had been taken out by the cia/deep state not too far in the past.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (QNSds)
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I really like the Riti Panini clips. She is hilarious!
Posted by: haffhowershower at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (NMT5x)
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Agreed!
Posted by: haffhowershower at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (NMT5x)
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Agreed!
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (JwHpX)
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He can eat a bag of dicks
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:45 PM
Don't tease....
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:45 PM
Don't tease....
Posted by: Pete Bootyjudge at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (Wnv9h)
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NZFrank, this is a blind hog finding an acorn moment and a totally unprepared security situation.
No, again emphatically no, women should not be on a security detail. The chick is blocking a chest shot leaving PDT 's head exposed
No, again emphatically no, women should not be on a security detail. The chick is blocking a chest shot leaving PDT 's head exposed
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (5MvGY)
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Plus adrenaline and who knows what else the kid was high on.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (7+K68)
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But there are a lot of factors at play, mostly G-d.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
I am going with this option.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
I am going with this option.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (RUmyk)
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You know what jolted me out of feeling excessively stressed? Cleaning my gun.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (hmKaK)
Zen and the Art of Gun Cleaning.
You know what jolted me out of feeling excessively stressed? Cleaning my gun.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (hmKaK)
Zen and the Art of Gun Cleaning.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (bgJ0E)
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What is so sad is at a time when the American government (notice I did not say Republicans or Democrats) needs to be trusted by the people, it won't be.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 07:50 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:50 PM (HeZkj)
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217 Plus adrenaline and who knows what else the kid was high on.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (7+K6
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, from the look of things. I was getting definite Lori Lightfoot vibes from his picture.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (7+K6
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, from the look of things. I was getting definite Lori Lightfoot vibes from his picture.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 07:50 PM (hmKaK)
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No, 5MPH wind won't move the round at that distance, that much. It would be fractions of an inch, if at all.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 07:47 PM (mkRXj)
Run it through a ballistics program and you will be surprised.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 07:47 PM (mkRXj)
Run it through a ballistics program and you will be surprised.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2024 07:50 PM (A3700)
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Shit. Only five ways to Sunday left...
Posted by: Chuck Schumer at July 14, 2024 07:50 PM (2fIGV)
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Yet we are talking fraction of inch was life or death.
When first comment hit here I ran to tv thinking worse. Was so relieved when DJT had his fist in air
When first comment hit here I ran to tv thinking worse. Was so relieved when DJT had his fist in air
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:50 PM (fwDg9)
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Trump turned his head as the shot was fired. A fraction of an inch difference
Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 14, 2024 07:51 PM (3Ey7p)
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Got a text from oldest son yesterday. First thing he did was donate to the Trump campaign. Second was buy ammo.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 14, 2024 07:51 PM (u73oe)
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I thought yesterday 3 by shooter the rest by Overwatch.
We have 4 people hit but that could be from as few as 2 bullets, easily 3.
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:48 PM (fwDg9)
My count was 4 then a bit of silence followed by 6.
We don't have a full accounting of how many shots the assassin fired. It appears that his very first shot hit Trump. I think he fired 3 more. And the 6 rounds were from law enforcement in response.
We have 4 people hit but that could be from as few as 2 bullets, easily 3.
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:48 PM (fwDg9)
My count was 4 then a bit of silence followed by 6.
We don't have a full accounting of how many shots the assassin fired. It appears that his very first shot hit Trump. I think he fired 3 more. And the 6 rounds were from law enforcement in response.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 07:51 PM (IFNME)
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That high school picture, he could have starred in a remake of Mask with Cher still playing the mother.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:51 PM (HeZkj)
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If the SS are short staffed and not able to provide adequate security, they should speak up and say "Don't come, we can't secure the area".
Posted by: fd
That is EXACTLY what Mayorkas wants... no more Trump rallies.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (9cSl+)
Trump needs security whose paychecks have his signature rather than Biden's
Posted by: fd
That is EXACTLY what Mayorkas wants... no more Trump rallies.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (9cSl+)
Trump needs security whose paychecks have his signature rather than Biden's
Posted by: Methos at July 14, 2024 07:51 PM (Dnobf)
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How humid was it during the speech? Also a factor.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 07:51 PM (7+K68)
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I got nothin' to add to what already has been said. Think I'll just mostly lurk. As always, thanks much for the gub, Weasel.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 14, 2024 07:52 PM (mH6SG)
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"By any means necessary" is a meaningless tautology. It means basically they do what they want to do, and if they do it, that means it was necessary.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 07:52 PM (lX8VI)
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There's a pretty good chance the shooter, once he was discovered, went a little "spray and pray."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (tT6L1)
There's a group of three shots fired, then a pause, then rapidly at least 4 additional shots. Then it sounds like another pause, and one more round (which sounded very different).
Were the original shots from the same weapon as the next group? Was the second group the SS agents firing back?
Sound analysis should tell us.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (tT6L1)
There's a group of three shots fired, then a pause, then rapidly at least 4 additional shots. Then it sounds like another pause, and one more round (which sounded very different).
Were the original shots from the same weapon as the next group? Was the second group the SS agents firing back?
Sound analysis should tell us.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 07:52 PM (QpPZM)
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Hmmm....I think I'll just let this speak for itself.
https://youtu.be/YL9apblSQ-s?si=MkqndxTKxgE0fset
https://youtu.be/YL9apblSQ-s?si=MkqndxTKxgE0fset
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 07:52 PM (q21JI)
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By the way, what Bernstein said was in response to JD Vance accurately describing what's been going on.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 07:52 PM (tT6L1)
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In American Thinker article video looks at least 3 USSS were women.
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 07:52 PM (fwDg9)
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DJT has landed in Milwaukee.
Posted by: TRex at July 14, 2024 07:52 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Skip, where did you get your copy of "Waterloo Casualties"? I'm just seeing pre-orders except for Kindle.
Posted by: fd at July 14, 2024 07:53 PM (vFG9F)
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That high school picture, he could have starred in a remake of Mask with Cher still playing the mother.
Posted by: Anna Puma
Or Corky Thatcher from Life Goes On
Posted by: Anna Puma
Or Corky Thatcher from Life Goes On
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:53 PM (elaR+)
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"Height and weight standards, tatoos, past felonies, drug use, all that stuff went out the window. across the board.
One thing about the butterball brigade in uniform, one of the things that has got to keep them awake at night is the ability for a large assailant to simply steal their firearm and turn it back on them, and/or the VIP.
This happens in prison situations. Chicks don’t belong in certain situations, there’s no way around this. The idea that people are simply interchangeable meat sticks has gotten countless people killed and it ain’t over yet.
Posted by: Common Tater"
I'm not gonna do the Marine thing, I think you have heard. But TRUE TRUE story, and it's hillarious.
A guy I knew, I hated him, but he was competant, got passed up for a promotion, he asked me if they had talked to me, because I was "his" level, which I wasn't, and asked me if I supported "Ivan" Polish, not russian, for the position over him.
I said, "fuck yeah, you don't know why you got passed over? I know you kiss all the asses but you only get respect from those you praise, you don't know why?" he asked me, "why did you choose Ivan" and I told him the truth, "I didn't chose Ivan, I opposed you
One thing about the butterball brigade in uniform, one of the things that has got to keep them awake at night is the ability for a large assailant to simply steal their firearm and turn it back on them, and/or the VIP.
This happens in prison situations. Chicks don’t belong in certain situations, there’s no way around this. The idea that people are simply interchangeable meat sticks has gotten countless people killed and it ain’t over yet.
Posted by: Common Tater"
I'm not gonna do the Marine thing, I think you have heard. But TRUE TRUE story, and it's hillarious.
A guy I knew, I hated him, but he was competant, got passed up for a promotion, he asked me if they had talked to me, because I was "his" level, which I wasn't, and asked me if I supported "Ivan" Polish, not russian, for the position over him.
I said, "fuck yeah, you don't know why you got passed over? I know you kiss all the asses but you only get respect from those you praise, you don't know why?" he asked me, "why did you choose Ivan" and I told him the truth, "I didn't chose Ivan, I opposed you
Posted by: Wickedpinto at July 14, 2024 07:53 PM (XKj0h)
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Has Milwaukee exploded yet?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:53 PM (HeZkj)
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over at Insty's Davey Berenstein was arguing there was no there there and no reason to be angry at the left at all...
_________
And Special Ed has a wall-of-text post linking Treacher, Morrissey and NRO.
over at Insty's Davey Berenstein was arguing there was no there there and no reason to be angry at the left at all...
_________
And Special Ed has a wall-of-text post linking Treacher, Morrissey and NRO.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 07:53 PM (1Nxff)
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I don't know if there's anything to it, but I've read things that go like this:
First shots were at Trump.
Then he spotted the sniper team you see on the video, and fired at them, possibly accounting for the startle reaction of the spotter.
Then he was taken out by a separate sniper team, not on video.
First shots were at Trump.
Then he spotted the sniper team you see on the video, and fired at them, possibly accounting for the startle reaction of the spotter.
Then he was taken out by a separate sniper team, not on video.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 07:54 PM (hmKaK)
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**Waves Forrest Gump fashion** Hi Ben Had.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:54 PM (bgJ0E)
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Right, I am going to toddle off. Cheers.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:54 PM (HeZkj)
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I heard that a cop climbed up to the roof for some reason and was confronted by the Trump shooter but retreated when the shooter pointed the rifle at him, before the shooting started.
Yes, you're at a disadvantage climbing up. But you could have put a few shots in the air to warn everyone.
Unless you climbed up to tell him he was good to go.
Yes, you're at a disadvantage climbing up. But you could have put a few shots in the air to warn everyone.
Unless you climbed up to tell him he was good to go.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 14, 2024 07:54 PM (Gse2f)
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Windage, MOA , bullet grain, line of sight. The fucker was still there and he killed people
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (5MvGY)
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Zen and the Art of Gun Cleaning.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (bgJ0E)
It's amazingly satisfying, and most of the time they don't really need it!
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (bgJ0E)
It's amazingly satisfying, and most of the time they don't really need it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (A3700)
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"wasn't a loon.
Went away thinking he's a good guy.
Posted by: DAN"
*********
Don't fall for Shapiro's nice guy image. He was in on the cheap in 2020 and 2022.
Went away thinking he's a good guy.
Posted by: DAN"
*********
Don't fall for Shapiro's nice guy image. He was in on the cheap in 2020 and 2022.
Posted by: Cosda at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (ux7/e)
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@126/Wickedpinto: Indeed, the media tells lies regularly and with enthusiasm. We know who has the title "Father of Lies", so yeah. Evil.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (O7YUW)
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But there are a lot of factors at play, mostly G-d.
Changed the course of the world with just a little flick of His finger. Thank you.
Changed the course of the world with just a little flick of His finger. Thank you.
Posted by: t-bird at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM (eST6G)
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Buy ammo? I got an email ad from my favorite online supplier saying their order rate was 20 (twenty) times normal last night.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM (t/Ix2)
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This happens in prison situations. Chicks don’t belong in certain situations, there’s no way around this. The idea that people are simply interchangeable meat sticks has gotten countless people killed and it ain’t over yet.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 07:42 PM (u/QE9)
There was a hefty lawsuit against the State of Arizona a while back because some young female psychiatrist was sent *alone* into the State Prison to counsel a group of convicted rapists. Yeah what happened was what anyone with a lick of sense knew would happen.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 07:42 PM (u/QE9)
There was a hefty lawsuit against the State of Arizona a while back because some young female psychiatrist was sent *alone* into the State Prison to counsel a group of convicted rapists. Yeah what happened was what anyone with a lick of sense knew would happen.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM (S6gqv)
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3 weeks ago a lot of people here were insisting Trump screwed up by agreeing to a debate on CNN.
Life comes at you fast.
Life comes at you fast.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM (LkLld)
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It's amazingly satisfying, and most of the time they don't really need it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (A3700
She's a clean machine!
Face it, we just like playing with our guns.
Unloaded, of course. Always unloaded.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (A3700
She's a clean machine!
Face it, we just like playing with our guns.
Unloaded, of course. Always unloaded.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM (7+K68)
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Maddow and many others should be terminated.
But it won't happen.
There will be zero accountability for network execs who allow and encourage the poisonous lies.
They're all revolutionaries.
But it won't happen.
There will be zero accountability for network execs who allow and encourage the poisonous lies.
They're all revolutionaries.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM (bILdU)
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>at a time when the American government (notice I did not say Republicans or Democrats) needs to be trusted by the people, it won't be.
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there is currently NO national leadership
Like CPT Willard said to COL Kurtz: 'I don't see any method at all, sir.'
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there is currently NO national leadership
Like CPT Willard said to COL Kurtz: 'I don't see any method at all, sir.'
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM (/7KEl)
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have a pic that appears to show some kind of red dot on the rifle
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (elaR+)
Link, Erebus?
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:46 PM (elaR+)
Link, Erebus?
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM (dBuZF)
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Today at the range sra blaster and I worked on fundamentals and prepared for our next competition which is WEDNESDAY.
One result of competing is that we have relegated everything but our competition guns and EDCs to safe queen status. I kinda feel bad for the other guns. I wanted to shoot 1911s today, but, not what we did.
One result of competing is that we have relegated everything but our competition guns and EDCs to safe queen status. I kinda feel bad for the other guns. I wanted to shoot 1911s today, but, not what we did.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM (IFNME)
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"You know Ivan is good,m and likeable and capable, but I didn't say one word about Ivan, I was asked about YOU, and I said, "Nope, never." and when I was asked why, I said, "he wants to be in charge while wearing shorts in winter."
He was shocked at such a simple argument, and I explained to him, "You are a bitch, go to the gym and feel strong but you are a bitch and a criminal, and you think that the place in which you work should accomodate you, rather than you showing up for work. This isn't the beach sweetheart, this is work. Dress for it, besides, ivans smarter" he then threatened me, and shit got odd, because my guys loved ME, not that I was lazy, my guys were awesome.
He was shocked at such a simple argument, and I explained to him, "You are a bitch, go to the gym and feel strong but you are a bitch and a criminal, and you think that the place in which you work should accomodate you, rather than you showing up for work. This isn't the beach sweetheart, this is work. Dress for it, besides, ivans smarter" he then threatened me, and shit got odd, because my guys loved ME, not that I was lazy, my guys were awesome.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at July 14, 2024 07:57 PM (XKj0h)
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I hit the 300 yd target more consistently than the 75 with my A2 back in the day.
Posted by: sven at July 14, 2024 07:32 PM (X0I7i)
I intentionally shot 39 out if 40 after I figured out that nobody else could and it made me a freak. Almost everyone with "Expert" missed the 3, 300 yard targets and barely made it.
I wouldn't even shoot at the first one which gave me an extra round if I needed it.
Getting Expert on the 203 and the M16 made everyone jealous.
An M2 is an extention of my fist. I love that firearm almost as much as an M110 howitzer.
Back to replotting my cannon canundrum.
Posted by: sven at July 14, 2024 07:32 PM (X0I7i)
I intentionally shot 39 out if 40 after I figured out that nobody else could and it made me a freak. Almost everyone with "Expert" missed the 3, 300 yard targets and barely made it.
I wouldn't even shoot at the first one which gave me an extra round if I needed it.
Getting Expert on the 203 and the M16 made everyone jealous.
An M2 is an extention of my fist. I love that firearm almost as much as an M110 howitzer.
Back to replotting my cannon canundrum.
Posted by: Reforger at July 14, 2024 07:57 PM (xcIvR)
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If there's no rioting in Milwaukee that will be prima facie (not that anyone needs it) that the Democrats are always behind it. Why would antifa or the slimes care about "optics"?
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 07:57 PM (lX8VI)
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Zen and the Art of Gun Cleaning.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (bgJ0E)
It's amazingly satisfying, and most of the time they don't really need it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (A3700)
***
A warm afternoon, a cold bier, and the smell.of Hoppes.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (bgJ0E)
It's amazingly satisfying, and most of the time they don't really need it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (A3700)
***
A warm afternoon, a cold bier, and the smell.of Hoppes.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 07:57 PM (W/lyH)
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Hmmm....I think I'll just let this speak for itself.
https://youtu.be/YL9apblSQ-s?si=MkqndxTKxgE0fset
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
Hell yeah!
Thank you!
https://youtu.be/YL9apblSQ-s?si=MkqndxTKxgE0fset
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
Hell yeah!
Thank you!
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:57 PM (elaR+)
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Betting markets are saying it’s Vance. 70%. Burgum down to the teens.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 14, 2024 07:57 PM (1n189)
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249 Zen and the Art of Gun Cleaning.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (bgJ0E)
It's amazingly satisfying, and most of the time they don't really need it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (A3700)
I really don't clean shooters anymore. Just hose them down with CRC LongLife. But it is good looking around the gun room seeing all is in order.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:49 PM (bgJ0E)
It's amazingly satisfying, and most of the time they don't really need it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (A3700)
I really don't clean shooters anymore. Just hose them down with CRC LongLife. But it is good looking around the gun room seeing all is in order.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:58 PM (bgJ0E)
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255 3 weeks ago a lot of people here were insisting Trump screwed up by agreeing to a debate on CNN.
Life comes at you fast.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM (LkLld
He did. It's just that I underestimated the Trump curse, Biden's progressive downfall and CNN playing it somewhat straight.
Life comes at you fast.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM (LkLld
He did. It's just that I underestimated the Trump curse, Biden's progressive downfall and CNN playing it somewhat straight.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 07:58 PM (7+K68)
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@blaster, competition is a great way to sort out the reliable and accurate from the merely accurate.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 07:58 PM (tT6L1)
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I heard that a cop climbed up to the roof for some reason and was confronted by the Trump shooter but retreated when the shooter pointed the rifle at him
"Sorry to trouble you. Is this a bad time?"
"Sorry to trouble you. Is this a bad time?"
Posted by: t-bird at July 14, 2024 07:58 PM (eST6G)
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Today at the range sra blaster and I worked on fundamentals and prepared for our next competition which is WEDNESDAY.
One result of competing is that we have relegated everything but our competition guns and EDCs to safe queen status. I kinda feel bad for the other guns. I wanted to shoot 1911s today, but, not what we did.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM (IFNME)
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Excellent.
One result of competing is that we have relegated everything but our competition guns and EDCs to safe queen status. I kinda feel bad for the other guns. I wanted to shoot 1911s today, but, not what we did.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM (IFNME)
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Excellent.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 07:58 PM (JwHpX)
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You could see the anger in the face of msm anchors last night. Thinking fuck we almost had him.
Enemy of the people.
Enemy of the people.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 14, 2024 07:58 PM (1n189)
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Then he spotted the sniper team you see on the video, and fired at them, possibly accounting for the startle reaction of the spotter.
Then he was taken out by a separate sniper team, not on video.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 07:54 PM (hmKaK)
Could be, and looking at an overview, the shots that hit the bystanders in the audience were NOT lined up with where Trump was. If the shots were taken by the guy on the roof.
Then he was taken out by a separate sniper team, not on video.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 07:54 PM (hmKaK)
Could be, and looking at an overview, the shots that hit the bystanders in the audience were NOT lined up with where Trump was. If the shots were taken by the guy on the roof.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 07:59 PM (QpPZM)
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@266
>>Betting markets are saying it’s Vance. 70%. Burgum down to the teens.
I was big on Youngkin but after the events of the last day, I think it's going to be Scott.
>>Betting markets are saying it’s Vance. 70%. Burgum down to the teens.
I was big on Youngkin but after the events of the last day, I think it's going to be Scott.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 07:59 PM (XV/Pl)
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5 mph is nearly no wind, and it was over a short distance.
Same for gravity and the Coriolanis effect. In effect, not even a rouding error.
Am I wrong.
Same for gravity and the Coriolanis effect. In effect, not even a rouding error.
Am I wrong.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 14, 2024 07:59 PM (Gse2f)
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I have not seen anywhere real detail about the rifle. I presume an AR in 5.56mm but what I want to know is did it have an optic? I was joking that it would be a poverty pony brand.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:35 PM
Good to see you, NZFrank! AFAIR, he had irons. I've sneered at PSA ARs, but if that's all I had, I'd be happy.
I did get to handle a Colt HBAR Match a few weeks ago the previous owner of which was an Admiral in the Texas Navy.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:35 PM
Good to see you, NZFrank! AFAIR, he had irons. I've sneered at PSA ARs, but if that's all I had, I'd be happy.
I did get to handle a Colt HBAR Match a few weeks ago the previous owner of which was an Admiral in the Texas Navy.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 07:59 PM (jDfrA)
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The Weimar Republic just called. They wanted to remind everyone that _Antifasciste Aktion_ got out of hand over here before.
Posted by: SPinRH_F-16 at July 14, 2024 07:59 PM (hixdV)
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Is there a verifiable source for the cop story?
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 14, 2024 07:59 PM (1n189)
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JTB,
W231/HP38 is actually quite good for medium loads as well as light ones. Won't quote figures but even works for 357 Magnums with mild recoil and report compared to the normal magnum powders. Powerwise though more like 9mm +P+ or 38 Special +P+.
Nice well mannered powder and as you say, ideal for beginners in reloading.
W231/HP38 is actually quite good for medium loads as well as light ones. Won't quote figures but even works for 357 Magnums with mild recoil and report compared to the normal magnum powders. Powerwise though more like 9mm +P+ or 38 Special +P+.
Nice well mannered powder and as you say, ideal for beginners in reloading.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 07:59 PM (mIs2x)
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Oh yeah the Left is incensed they didn't get to party. This >< close to the gala of the century.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 08:00 PM (lX8VI)
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249 It's amazingly satisfying, and most of the time they don't really need it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (A3700)
I've been playing around with all sorts of cleaning equipment, and getting everything down to bare carbon-free metal before oiling and reassembling. Then I watched a video by Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat, cleaning one of his 1911s. He said "I like the Wal Mart brand of Bounty," and proceeded to clean with just paper towels and a plastic pusher and a chamber brush, no solvents at all. Maybe he used a brush on the slide grooves. Added some oil, and done. Except when Ken Hackathorn asked him to show how to remove the firing pin, and he did, pushing a plug of carbon crap out in front of it. I don't think he'd have bothered if he hadn't been prodded; apparently the gun was functioning just fine.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (A3700)
I've been playing around with all sorts of cleaning equipment, and getting everything down to bare carbon-free metal before oiling and reassembling. Then I watched a video by Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat, cleaning one of his 1911s. He said "I like the Wal Mart brand of Bounty," and proceeded to clean with just paper towels and a plastic pusher and a chamber brush, no solvents at all. Maybe he used a brush on the slide grooves. Added some oil, and done. Except when Ken Hackathorn asked him to show how to remove the firing pin, and he did, pushing a plug of carbon crap out in front of it. I don't think he'd have bothered if he hadn't been prodded; apparently the gun was functioning just fine.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 08:00 PM (hmKaK)
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Democrat Strategists Say the 'Presidential Contest Ended’ After Assassination Attempt
Stick a fork in Joe Biden. He's done.
"We're so beyond f---ed," lamented a longtime Democratic insider, emphasizing that the image of Trump thrusting his fist in the air, blood dramatically smeared across his face, will be an unforgettable image between now and Election Day.
Stick a fork in Joe Biden. He's done.
"We're so beyond f---ed," lamented a longtime Democratic insider, emphasizing that the image of Trump thrusting his fist in the air, blood dramatically smeared across his face, will be an unforgettable image between now and Election Day.
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2024 08:00 PM (GITLP)
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I commend all the time at the range but have you ever shot anything that was breathing?
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:00 PM (5MvGY)
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fd I have it on Kindle, it's been out a few months
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 08:01 PM (fwDg9)
285
Don't fall for Shapiro's nice guy image. He was in on the cheap in 2020 and 2022.
Posted by: Cosda at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (ux7/e)
Was also responsible for the non-SS detail that was providing security. If... IF Trump's team asked for more security, it's Governor Josh who would have turned him down.
Posted by: Cosda at July 14, 2024 07:55 PM (ux7/e)
Was also responsible for the non-SS detail that was providing security. If... IF Trump's team asked for more security, it's Governor Josh who would have turned him down.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:01 PM (QpPZM)
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First thing I need to comment on is the repeated statements that the shooter was 150-450 yards away. Based on an accurate map of the area and the video of him on the roof, the shooter was MAYBE 300 feet away.
We know around here what that means for shooting - you have to up your game to go over 100 yards. IF he was really that far away it also puts him outside a normal perimeter (but not what should be a perimeter in an open country setting). And I think that's what they're going to continue to say as it absolves them of blame.
Second, if he was on the slope of the roof facing Trump (as I think he was) and not on the back side, using the peak of the roof for support, his shit had to be wobbly. It's hard to lay head down and then raise a rifle to a semi-level position and support it with just your arms. Heck, it's hard to lay on a slope (either direction) and shoot at all.
We know around here what that means for shooting - you have to up your game to go over 100 yards. IF he was really that far away it also puts him outside a normal perimeter (but not what should be a perimeter in an open country setting). And I think that's what they're going to continue to say as it absolves them of blame.
Second, if he was on the slope of the roof facing Trump (as I think he was) and not on the back side, using the peak of the roof for support, his shit had to be wobbly. It's hard to lay head down and then raise a rifle to a semi-level position and support it with just your arms. Heck, it's hard to lay on a slope (either direction) and shoot at all.
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 08:01 PM (AWrpC)
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Won't be Scott. IMO
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 08:01 PM (lX8VI)
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Heeerr's Joey!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 14, 2024 08:02 PM (63Dwl)
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283 I commend all the time at the range but have you ever shot anything that was breathing?
Posted by: Ben Had
Yip, then they weren't.
Posted by: Ben Had
Yip, then they weren't.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 08:02 PM (bgJ0E)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:02 PM (1Nxff)
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Face it, we just like playing with our guns.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM
Some of us like our weapons, as well.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 07:56 PM
Some of us like our weapons, as well.
Posted by: GySgt. Hartmann at July 14, 2024 08:02 PM (jDfrA)
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I commend all the time at the range but have you ever shot anything that was breathing?
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:00 PM (5MvGY)
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Nope.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:00 PM (5MvGY)
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Nope.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 08:03 PM (JwHpX)
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I really don't clean shooters anymore. Just hose them down with CRC LongLife.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:58 PM (bgJ0E)
That's pretty much what I do. I will wipe them down, maybe wipe the chamber and feed ramp, and maybe a drop or two of oil.
The fun one is using a copper cleaner on my M1 barrel. That might be a multi-year project!
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 07:58 PM (bgJ0E)
That's pretty much what I do. I will wipe them down, maybe wipe the chamber and feed ramp, and maybe a drop or two of oil.
The fun one is using a copper cleaner on my M1 barrel. That might be a multi-year project!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2024 08:03 PM (A3700)
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>>He did. It's just that I underestimated the Trump curse, Biden's progressive downfall and CNN playing it somewhat straight.
Nah. At some point people have to stop insisting Trump just keeps getting lucky.
He's very good at this.
Nah. At some point people have to stop insisting Trump just keeps getting lucky.
He's very good at this.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 08:03 PM (LkLld)
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I think the shooter missed with the first shot - there is a still image out there with Trump in profile with what appears to be a bullet streak (for lack of a better word) behind him and just above shoulder height.
Trump was probably pretty quick at slapping the 'bug' that bit his ear and dropped quickly after that.
I didn't spend a lot of time rewinding the vid from straight on where he slapped the bug and dropped. Once I saw that he was grazed and out of there that was enough of that rewinding.
Trump was probably pretty quick at slapping the 'bug' that bit his ear and dropped quickly after that.
I didn't spend a lot of time rewinding the vid from straight on where he slapped the bug and dropped. Once I saw that he was grazed and out of there that was enough of that rewinding.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 14, 2024 08:03 PM (cOq4q)
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All this talk of how President Trump will destroy democracy in America, yet no lefty has put up their houses for sale. none have moved out of the country. But you can bet the vitriol will continue. There will be a pause, but it'll start up again in a week, just as soon as the media can get rolling.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 08:03 PM (W/lyH)
297
Face it, we just like playing with our guns.
Unloaded, of course. Always unloaded.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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Guns always be considered loaded until visually and tactilely verified as clear.
Unloaded, of course. Always unloaded.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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Guns always be considered loaded until visually and tactilely verified as clear.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:03 PM (mIs2x)
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I had to remind mysef that USSS is under DHS now, not Treasury anymore.
Alejandro Mayorkas .. call your office
Alejandro Mayorkas .. call your office
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2024 08:03 PM (GITLP)
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Also, given the paired nature of the shots*, initially, I would guess he was using a binary trigger.
What is the experience around here with those, in terms of continued accurate fire?
(* The shots sounded like bang-bang, bang-bang, bang-bang.)
What is the experience around here with those, in terms of continued accurate fire?
(* The shots sounded like bang-bang, bang-bang, bang-bang.)
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 08:04 PM (AWrpC)
300
Also, check your equipment BEFORE you go to competition. DMV MGC suffered from two battery failures in dots.
And, umm, have spares.
And, umm, have spares.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:04 PM (IFNME)
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I did get to handle a Colt HBAR Match a few weeks ago the previous owner of which was an Admiral in the Texas Navy.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 07:59 PM (jDfrA)
Hi Duncanthrax!
An Admiral of the Texas Navy.... Well fuck me dead and sideways - I did not know there was such a beastie.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 07:59 PM (jDfrA)
Hi Duncanthrax!
An Admiral of the Texas Navy.... Well fuck me dead and sideways - I did not know there was such a beastie.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 08:04 PM (bgJ0E)
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NZFrank, you absolutely know the difference. Lordy, I want to share a drink with you again.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:04 PM (5MvGY)
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282 Democrat Strategists Say the 'Presidential Contest Ended’ After Assassination Attempt
Stick a fork in Joe Biden. He's done.
"We're so beyond f---ed," lamented a longtime Democratic insider, emphasizing that the image of Trump thrusting his fist in the air, blood dramatically smeared across his face, will be an unforgettable image between now and Election Day.
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2024 08:00 PM (GITLP
Most iconic photo I can recall since 9-11.
Stick a fork in Joe Biden. He's done.
"We're so beyond f---ed," lamented a longtime Democratic insider, emphasizing that the image of Trump thrusting his fist in the air, blood dramatically smeared across his face, will be an unforgettable image between now and Election Day.
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2024 08:00 PM (GITLP
Most iconic photo I can recall since 9-11.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (7+K68)
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"119 This morning the NYTimes published an editorial stating that Trump was unfit for the presidency
less than 24 hrs after an assassination attempt
they never stop"
that's how you fight a war. they have been at war with America for decades, and act like they know it.
our side seems like only slowly becoming aware of this.
maybe this will, as they say, "raise awareness"?
less than 24 hrs after an assassination attempt
they never stop"
that's how you fight a war. they have been at war with America for decades, and act like they know it.
our side seems like only slowly becoming aware of this.
maybe this will, as they say, "raise awareness"?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (UWgy2)
305
I heard that a cop climbed up to the roof for some reason and was confronted by the Trump shooter but retreated when the shooter pointed the rifle at him, before the shooting started.
Yes, you're at a disadvantage climbing up. But you could have put a few shots in the air to warn everyone.
Unless you climbed up to tell him he was good to go.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 14, 2024 07:54 PM (Gse2f)
That's been officially confirmed... for what that's worth.
So yeah, how was Trump allowed to stay exposed on that stage for ANY length of time after the shooter was noticed.
Yes, you're at a disadvantage climbing up. But you could have put a few shots in the air to warn everyone.
Unless you climbed up to tell him he was good to go.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 14, 2024 07:54 PM (Gse2f)
That's been officially confirmed... for what that's worth.
So yeah, how was Trump allowed to stay exposed on that stage for ANY length of time after the shooter was noticed.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (QpPZM)
306
Joe’s slurring his words again. Drink when his says “anyway “.
Posted by: Unkaren at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (2nlEB)
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300 Also, check your equipment BEFORE you go to competition. DMV MGC suffered from two battery failures in dots.
And, umm, have spares.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:04 PM (IFNME
This is why I don't run red dots on anything meant to protect me. Batteries die.
And, umm, have spares.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:04 PM (IFNME
This is why I don't run red dots on anything meant to protect me. Batteries die.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (7+K68)
308
I thought I saw 4 women in the detail and one very young man.
Two of the 4 women were a mess & I became so fixated on watching them, I saw little that registered on what the men were doing in as far as escorting PDT.
Two of the 4 women were a mess & I became so fixated on watching them, I saw little that registered on what the men were doing in as far as escorting PDT.
Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 14, 2024 08:06 PM (NFX2v)
309
Joe says “former Trump” and then can’t even reference Corey Capatore by his full name. Corey only.
Team probably knew he’d never be able to get the last name out his mouth.
Team probably knew he’d never be able to get the last name out his mouth.
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at July 14, 2024 08:06 PM (Y8lzz)
310
did get to handle a Colt HBAR Match.
If you come down my way you can shoot the crap out of my one.
If you come down my way you can shoot the crap out of my one.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 08:06 PM (bgJ0E)
311
Sotto Voce! Whisper Joey!
Posted by: Unkaren at July 14, 2024 08:06 PM (2nlEB)
312
@mason_8718
Big news.
South Korean government has unveiled the 'Laser based Anti-Aircraft Weapon Block-I' for the first time, and it's awesome footage. it's about to deploy it to the Army very soon.
It's a 20kW class fiber laser system with a proper size and cost that can be placed easily.
Korea's high-ranking research centers are now developing ultra high-power femto laser plasma technology for laser weapons systems.
Block-III is also being developed, which is also applicable to military ships as naval versions and plans to have anti-ballistic missile capabilities.
This will ensure Korea's low altitude defense along with the '40mm Automated Air Defense System', LAMD-I, LAMD-II, and CIWS-II.
Video 0:12 seconds
https://tinyurl.com/2b2zyw74
This is the 21st century I was hoping for.
Big news.
South Korean government has unveiled the 'Laser based Anti-Aircraft Weapon Block-I' for the first time, and it's awesome footage. it's about to deploy it to the Army very soon.
It's a 20kW class fiber laser system with a proper size and cost that can be placed easily.
Korea's high-ranking research centers are now developing ultra high-power femto laser plasma technology for laser weapons systems.
Block-III is also being developed, which is also applicable to military ships as naval versions and plans to have anti-ballistic missile capabilities.
This will ensure Korea's low altitude defense along with the '40mm Automated Air Defense System', LAMD-I, LAMD-II, and CIWS-II.
Video 0:12 seconds
https://tinyurl.com/2b2zyw74
This is the 21st century I was hoping for.
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 08:06 PM (xCpa0)
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>>Betting markets are saying it’s Vance. 70%. Burgum down to the teens.
I was big on Youngkin but after the events of the last day, I think it's going to be Scott.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 07:59 PM (XV/Pl)
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I don't care who it is. I trust President Trump. The VP debate will be awesome!
I was big on Youngkin but after the events of the last day, I think it's going to be Scott.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 07:59 PM (XV/Pl)
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I don't care who it is. I trust President Trump. The VP debate will be awesome!
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (W/lyH)
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commend all the time at the range but have you ever shot anything that was breathing?
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:00 PM (5MvGY)
Yup. And they were very tasty.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:00 PM (5MvGY)
Yup. And they were very tasty.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (dBuZF)
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AP didn't say anything about an associates degree. Said he won a math/science award in high school. He worked at a health facility in food services preparation area.
I assume that "dietary assistant" means the person who brings and picks up the trays.
I assume that "dietary assistant" means the person who brings and picks up the trays.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (XF661)
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So yeah, how was Trump allowed to stay exposed on that stage for ANY length of time after the shooter was noticed.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (QpPZM)
🤔
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (QpPZM)
🤔
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (lX8VI)
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He can't even read a teleprompter without screwing up.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (LkLld)
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All this talk of how President Trump will destroy democracy in America, yet no lefty has put up their houses for sale. none have moved out of the country.
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Much like how no leftist has sold their Malibu or Hawaii beach house, even though the oceans are rising due to climate change.
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Much like how no leftist has sold their Malibu or Hawaii beach house, even though the oceans are rising due to climate change.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (1n189)
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I watched one of the lady SS agents fumble with her handgun so much I winced at the optics.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (7+K68)
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Hubby just pulled out a 5.56 to show me Its huge -I cant believe he survived with millimeters to spare
Posted by: LASue at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (lCppi)
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (oaoC2)
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Joe’s slurring his words again. Drink when his says “anyway “.
Posted by: Unkaren at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (2nlEB)
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Hey, it's after 8:00 PM!
Joe’s slurring his words again. Drink when his says “anyway “.
Posted by: Unkaren at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (2nlEB)
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Hey, it's after 8:00 PM!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (1Nxff)
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307 This is why I don't run red dots on anything meant to protect me. Batteries die.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (7+K6
My carry pistol has very good, visible co-witness sights.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (7+K6
My carry pistol has very good, visible co-witness sights.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (hmKaK)
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150 metres = 492'
140 yards = 420'
140 yards = 420'
Posted by: andycanuck (Jh5b+) at July 14, 2024 08:08 PM (Jh5b+)
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I expect The View to be particularly vile. Watch.
That's where the DNC drops all the narratives they can't drop anywhere else.
That's where the DNC drops all the narratives they can't drop anywhere else.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 08:08 PM (lX8VI)
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Re: Joe Biden squawking about the need for unity and civility...
I sat through a local hard left musician deliver a lecture at a show about how she attacked her sister for years because she voted for Trump. Then one day, she explained, she suddenly realized that vilifying her non-stop had ruined their relationship. To rectify this should called up her sister, explained all this, and then told the needed to meet in the middle.
Her sister hung up on her. I walked out.
This is what I heard Joe Biden say tonight. I walked out again so to speak.
I sat through a local hard left musician deliver a lecture at a show about how she attacked her sister for years because she voted for Trump. Then one day, she explained, she suddenly realized that vilifying her non-stop had ruined their relationship. To rectify this should called up her sister, explained all this, and then told the needed to meet in the middle.
Her sister hung up on her. I walked out.
This is what I heard Joe Biden say tonight. I walked out again so to speak.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 14, 2024 08:08 PM (RUmyk)
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yeah, how was Trump allowed to stay exposed on that stage for ANY length of time after the shooter was noticed.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (QpPZM)
Oops
Opposie
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (QpPZM)
Oops
Opposie
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 14, 2024 08:08 PM (1n189)
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I find this story funny, Marines will find it funny during the time that I served, Did I mention that I was In The Marine Corps?
So, In boot I deliberately shot sharpshooter, everyone says that's a copout, and sometimes it is, but the reason I deliberatly shot exactly 215, rather 216 is because my father sent me his rifle badge. I graduated with my fathers qual badge, and as a good little and loyal boy I respected my father by shooting deliberatly sharpshooter, even though, that gun just felt like a part of me.
My last quall was about 2 weeks before I processed out, Honorably, VERY Honorably, I was like, "The fuck?" I loved shooting my gun, I can tell you it's serial, it's the basis of all of my passcodes, and my ex tried to buy it for me, which would have been AMAZING!
So I go to the range, you always have to go through the training and system and such.
Anyways, you do a "prequal" Which is a quallification fire in case there is something that interferes with your qualification fire.
My Prequall, the last. . .about a month, . . . before I processed out, My Prequall, on a beautifl sunny, low wind day, I shot 63.
63 is NINJA SHIT.
Next day, wind everywhere,
So, In boot I deliberately shot sharpshooter, everyone says that's a copout, and sometimes it is, but the reason I deliberatly shot exactly 215, rather 216 is because my father sent me his rifle badge. I graduated with my fathers qual badge, and as a good little and loyal boy I respected my father by shooting deliberatly sharpshooter, even though, that gun just felt like a part of me.
My last quall was about 2 weeks before I processed out, Honorably, VERY Honorably, I was like, "The fuck?" I loved shooting my gun, I can tell you it's serial, it's the basis of all of my passcodes, and my ex tried to buy it for me, which would have been AMAZING!
So I go to the range, you always have to go through the training and system and such.
Anyways, you do a "prequal" Which is a quallification fire in case there is something that interferes with your qualification fire.
My Prequall, the last. . .about a month, . . . before I processed out, My Prequall, on a beautifl sunny, low wind day, I shot 63.
63 is NINJA SHIT.
Next day, wind everywhere,
Posted by: Wickedpinto at July 14, 2024 08:08 PM (XKj0h)
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An Admiral of the Texas Navy.... Well fuck me dead and sideways - I did not know there was such a beastie.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 08:04 PM
The story was that he was an IT consultant that ended up saving the State a bunch (8+ figures) of money. The then-Governor, Rick Perry made him an Admiral in the Texas Navy, and said "An Admiral needs a rifle", and presented it to him.
AFAICT, it had never been fired.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 08:04 PM
The story was that he was an IT consultant that ended up saving the State a bunch (8+ figures) of money. The then-Governor, Rick Perry made him an Admiral in the Texas Navy, and said "An Admiral needs a rifle", and presented it to him.
AFAICT, it had never been fired.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 08:08 PM (jDfrA)
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Biden managed to smirk at the end.
Posted by: Aviator at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (HQ9Sl)
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323 307 This is why I don't run red dots on anything meant to protect me. Batteries die.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (7+K6
My carry pistol has very good, visible co-witness sights.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (hmKaK
Why not shave a few ounces and just use the iron sights?
323 307 This is why I don't run red dots on anything meant to protect me. Batteries die.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (7+K6
My carry pistol has very good, visible co-witness sights.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (hmKaK
Why not shave a few ounces and just use the iron sights?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (7+K68)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (1Nxff)
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After 8. Lasted five minutes.
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (Y8lzz)
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Lame
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (LkLld)
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (W/lyH)
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On things not the attempt on Trump...
I got the M-1 clips from ... I'm not sure the callsign of the person who offered them to me*. Incredibly gracious! I got more than I would have hoped for and am very grateful.
(* I can't ever even read the comments on a 3-day old thread. That makes it hard to go back and retrieve good information.
)
Also I got my box of .30-06 Garand ammo and my snap-caps. I sent a pic to Weasel of them loaded into my new clip. Is there any good reason the snap-caps would be a 1/4 inch shorter than the regular ammo?! The caliper showed it to be about 5/16 difference, actually - all from the rim of the neck to the tip of the bullet. Isn't the length and seating of the bullet part of the standard for a cartridge? I'm concerned about the adequacy of those snap-caps for practicing.
I got the M-1 clips from ... I'm not sure the callsign of the person who offered them to me*. Incredibly gracious! I got more than I would have hoped for and am very grateful.
(* I can't ever even read the comments on a 3-day old thread. That makes it hard to go back and retrieve good information.
)
Also I got my box of .30-06 Garand ammo and my snap-caps. I sent a pic to Weasel of them loaded into my new clip. Is there any good reason the snap-caps would be a 1/4 inch shorter than the regular ammo?! The caliper showed it to be about 5/16 difference, actually - all from the rim of the neck to the tip of the bullet. Isn't the length and seating of the bullet part of the standard for a cartridge? I'm concerned about the adequacy of those snap-caps for practicing.
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (AWrpC)
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Thanks Skip. I guess I'll get in a pre-order for a hardback.
Posted by: fd at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (vFG9F)
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>Democrat Strategists Say the 'Presidential Contest Ended’ After Assassination Attempt
Stick a fork in Joe Biden. He's done.
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Let's not start shuffling each other's cards just yet
Stick a fork in Joe Biden. He's done.
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Let's not start shuffling each other's cards just yet
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (/7KEl)
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I commend all the time at the range but have you ever shot anything that was breathing?
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:00 PM
Yes.
*waves to Ben Had and raises glass*
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:00 PM
Yes.
*waves to Ben Had and raises glass*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (Wnv9h)
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We are nowhere close to what was going on in the late 1960s.
That was absolutely part of the asymmetry I was talking about. The left likes to operate with a thermostat, for lack of a better term.
That was absolutely part of the asymmetry I was talking about. The left likes to operate with a thermostat, for lack of a better term.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (u/QE9)
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This old shit is repulsive
Posted by: Ex GOP at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (GpUII)
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@ Ben Had, yes, I've shot a deer. I was really surprised at how calm cool and collected I was as I shot him pretty much through the heart.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (tT6L1)
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Biden stuttering out a ridiculous speech and ends with May God protect our troops!?!?! Why not Happy Birthday!!
Posted by: LASue at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM (lCppi)
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I pretty much clean and lube all of my firearms about once per year even when I don't shoot them. Keep the safe queens in a VCI sealed individual bag for storage in safes.
Handguns for protection and carry get a more frequent schedule even if unshot. Semi autos can get fair amounts of crud if carried and I rotate all carry ammo checking the round in the chamber for setback. Revolvers get the dust bunnies removed, ammo checked, and sometimes a drop of oil using a needle applicator to the hammer bearing surfaces or elsewhere if needed such as the extractor rod.
Handguns for protection and carry get a more frequent schedule even if unshot. Semi autos can get fair amounts of crud if carried and I rotate all carry ammo checking the round in the chamber for setback. Revolvers get the dust bunnies removed, ammo checked, and sometimes a drop of oil using a needle applicator to the hammer bearing surfaces or elsewhere if needed such as the extractor rod.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM (mIs2x)
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Joe's babbling to the nation right now.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:02 PM (1Nxff)
Seriously, just babble. His little verbal schtick, with the whispers and the voice inflections are just an affectation. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an imbecile.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:02 PM (1Nxff)
Seriously, just babble. His little verbal schtick, with the whispers and the voice inflections are just an affectation. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an imbecile.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM (LQO/l)
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Biden only brought up “violence” against Dems, when Republicans hav been shot and killed.
He is a piece of crap.
He is a piece of crap.
Posted by: Czech Chick at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM (fpVC1)
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Britt Hume all in for Joe's speech
some things are so predictable
some things are so predictable
Posted by: Ex GOP at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM (GpUII)
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Will huffing gun cleaning oil increase my sex drive?
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM (tzJsd)
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Not a light to mark my sights as the rain pummeld in. My Qual the day after my monsterous performance was 48. BARELY Expert.
Oh, my friend and fellow Marines, I was a Marine did I mention that?, just RAGGED on me non stop "You were almost a pizza box you shit talker!!!"
Oh, my friend and fellow Marines, I was a Marine did I mention that?, just RAGGED on me non stop "You were almost a pizza box you shit talker!!!"
Posted by: Wickedpinto at July 14, 2024 08:11 PM (XKj0h)
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I just saw where the FBI is pursuing the assassination attempt as "domestic terrorism"
What advantage does this give them for attacking Trump?
What advantage does this give them for attacking Trump?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - if you can't pick your adjectives, how can you pick your pronouns? at July 14, 2024 08:11 PM (M3zoF)
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I hope this doesn't get me in dutch with Weasel, but a recurring thought with ALL the recent liberal talk that (were it from our side) is literal incitement to violence is the meme where someone took Kathy Griffin's infamous image but put the current honchos head in place of Trump and wrote "This I still funny, right?"
I couldn't find a pic but found this t-shirt: https://tinyurl.com/3tt6jw2m
I couldn't find a pic but found this t-shirt: https://tinyurl.com/3tt6jw2m
Posted by: 496 at July 14, 2024 08:11 PM (vRbbs)
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"It's time to lower the rhetoric that I have raised to eleventy..."
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at July 14, 2024 08:11 PM (1FWWQ)
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First Biden calls half the country Magats for years and now he wants everyone to get together. An apology has to come first. So where is it? Why didn't he make it?
Posted by: Decaf at July 14, 2024 08:11 PM (unUNN)
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Why not Happy Birthday!!
Posted by: LASue at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM (lCppi)
__________
23 Skidoo
Why not Happy Birthday!!
Posted by: LASue at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM (lCppi)
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23 Skidoo
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:11 PM (1Nxff)
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He's back!!! Now talking about democracy and how democracies are created.
>WaPo, July 14, 2024, Amid condemnations of political violence, no cessation of political warfare
The shooting at Trump’s campaign rally Saturday could inflame the politics of 2024.
Make to the analysis' comments and note no progress, back to square #1.
>WaPo, July 14, 2024, Amid condemnations of political violence, no cessation of political warfare
The shooting at Trump’s campaign rally Saturday could inflame the politics of 2024.
Make to the analysis' comments and note no progress, back to square #1.
Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 14, 2024 08:11 PM (NFX2v)
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Re: 351 - I understand if that's got to be deleted. There are definitely 2 standards and we have to be held to the higher one.
Posted by: 496 at July 14, 2024 08:12 PM (YcC7Y)
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In the Army, every unit has its own little coterie of screw-ups and misfits. Such soldiers may not be intentional screw-ups; they're simply unsuitable for the rigors, discipline, and demands of military life. Some can be fixed, some can't. Those who can't were (in my time) often categorized as a failure to adapt and given a general discharge (not dishonorable). They just weren't cut out for it.
But hey, bear with me here: what if Trump's Secret Service detail is a deliberate dump of their very worst? The worst of the worst? That would explain the ineptitude of their response. As conspiracies go, it makes the most sense. The Biden Administration is technically giving Trump protection, but the likelihood of that protection detail failing to fulfill their mission is orders of magnitude greater than if experienced and capable professionals were performing that task. As explanations go, it covers all we saw happen in that clusterfark of a debacle.
But hey, bear with me here: what if Trump's Secret Service detail is a deliberate dump of their very worst? The worst of the worst? That would explain the ineptitude of their response. As conspiracies go, it makes the most sense. The Biden Administration is technically giving Trump protection, but the likelihood of that protection detail failing to fulfill their mission is orders of magnitude greater than if experienced and capable professionals were performing that task. As explanations go, it covers all we saw happen in that clusterfark of a debacle.
Posted by: troyriser at July 14, 2024 08:12 PM (Vvljl)
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Biden stuttering out a ridiculous speech and ends with May God protect our troops!?!?! Why not Happy Birthday!!
Posted by: LASue at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM
That one jumped out at me this afternoon. WTAF does that have to do with anything right now?!
Posted by: LASue at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM
That one jumped out at me this afternoon. WTAF does that have to do with anything right now?!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:12 PM (Wnv9h)
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Well Joe isn't a Constitutional Scholar
Posted by: Skip at July 14, 2024 08:12 PM (fwDg9)
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First, they left literally the only rooftop in 500 yards unsecured with NO presence on it.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at July 14, 2024 07:07 PM (setIA)
Unless he was on a very different rooftop from the one I think he was on, you're wrong. They left an entire set of rooftops over there unsecured. Within 500 feet, most of them.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at July 14, 2024 07:07 PM (setIA)
Unless he was on a very different rooftop from the one I think he was on, you're wrong. They left an entire set of rooftops over there unsecured. Within 500 feet, most of them.
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 08:13 PM (AWrpC)
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Biden stuttering out a ridiculous speech and ends with May God protect our troops!?!?!
Posted by: LASue at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM (lCpp
"Troops", eh?
Does he mean his leftist shock troops? I do believe he does. This is how the Left rolls.
Posted by: LASue at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM (lCpp
"Troops", eh?
Does he mean his leftist shock troops? I do believe he does. This is how the Left rolls.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 08:13 PM (lX8VI)
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Isn't the length and seating of the bullet part of the standard for a cartridge? I'm concerned about the adequacy of those snap-caps for practicing.
Posted by: GWB
Centerfire rifle headspace is figured to a point on the shoulder. There is a minimum and maximum OAL which semi autos do better in the middle of.
As long as the snap caps are of a decent make like Lyman's Snap Caps (dunno about Carlson's plastic body brass head ones), they should be fine to practice.
Posted by: GWB
Centerfire rifle headspace is figured to a point on the shoulder. There is a minimum and maximum OAL which semi autos do better in the middle of.
As long as the snap caps are of a decent make like Lyman's Snap Caps (dunno about Carlson's plastic body brass head ones), they should be fine to practice.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:13 PM (mIs2x)
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For me, no optics on a carry sidearm. I've trained without them and feel no need to change that now. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 14, 2024 08:13 PM (mH6SG)
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blake, it certainly gives you a different perspective .
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:13 PM (5MvGY)
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He can't even read a teleprompter without screwing up.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (LkLld)
I wish it had gone on for just another minute or two... he was just getting warmed up with the gobbledegook.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (LkLld)
I wish it had gone on for just another minute or two... he was just getting warmed up with the gobbledegook.
Posted by: LASue at July 14, 2024 08:13 PM (lCppi)
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Britt Hume all in for Joe's speech
some things are so predictable
Posted by: Ex GOP at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM (GpUII)
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I really despise that man, Britt Hume.
some things are so predictable
Posted by: Ex GOP at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM (GpUII)
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I really despise that man, Britt Hume.
Posted by: Decaf at July 14, 2024 08:13 PM (unUNN)
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But, I never smoke one while cleaning my weapons.
Hmmmm.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (W/lyH)
Maybe the smoke is corrosive.
Maybe the smoke will preserve the barrel like a fine kielbasa.
I don't know, I'm not a materials scientist.
Oh shit. I am a materials scientist.
But i still don't know.
And now i want kielbasa.
Hmmmm.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (W/lyH)
Maybe the smoke is corrosive.
Maybe the smoke will preserve the barrel like a fine kielbasa.
I don't know, I'm not a materials scientist.
Oh shit. I am a materials scientist.
But i still don't know.
And now i want kielbasa.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (BAEGB)
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Joe’s slurring his words again. Drink when his says “anyway “.
Posted by: Unkaren at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (2nlEB)
Just remember, we should settle our differences at the Battlebox.
Posted by: Unkaren at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (2nlEB)
Just remember, we should settle our differences at the Battlebox.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (LQO/l)
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And now i want kielbasa.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (BAEGB)
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It is the food of a proud people.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (BAEGB)
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It is the food of a proud people.
Posted by: 496 at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (YcC7Y)
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Will huffing gun cleaning oil increase my sex drive?
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM
It is well known that range babes are drawn to the scent of Hoppes #9. From there it's up to you.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM
It is well known that range babes are drawn to the scent of Hoppes #9. From there it's up to you.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (Wnv9h)
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Joe Biden is “pausing all outbound communications and working to pull down our television ads as quickly as possible,” a campaign official told The Wall Street Journal on Sunday morning.
The ads would have likely labeled Trump as an existential threat ahead of the 2024 election.
Biden’s anti-Trump claims have rightfully led critics to question whether this heavily partisan rhetoric has incited violence against Trump.
This rhetoric often conflates Trump with dictators, including Adolf Hitler, and suggests he would end “Democracy” if elected.
The ads would have likely labeled Trump as an existential threat ahead of the 2024 election.
Biden’s anti-Trump claims have rightfully led critics to question whether this heavily partisan rhetoric has incited violence against Trump.
This rhetoric often conflates Trump with dictators, including Adolf Hitler, and suggests he would end “Democracy” if elected.
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (GITLP)
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I just love how the cop climbs up tge ladder and apparently didn't have his gun ready, when CONFRONTING A POTENTIAL SNIPER!
WTF?!
WTF?!
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (elaR+)
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At least Joe's senility is no longer Story No. 1.
Should be good for a week. We'll still have 4 more weeks to burn to get the Vegetable to the convention.
I don't think were going to make it.
Should be good for a week. We'll still have 4 more weeks to burn to get the Vegetable to the convention.
I don't think were going to make it.
Posted by: DAN at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (rn2/h)
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By the time the news cycle turns away from Trump
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 07:10 PM (QNSds)
Which doesn't benefit the Democrats the way some might think it would. But they'll latch themselves onto it, anyway, I'm sure.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 07:10 PM (QNSds)
Which doesn't benefit the Democrats the way some might think it would. But they'll latch themselves onto it, anyway, I'm sure.
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (AWrpC)
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blake, it certainly gives you a different perspective .
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:13 PM (5MvGY)
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Agreed.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:13 PM (5MvGY)
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Agreed.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (tT6L1)
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Just remember, we should settle our differences at the Battlebox.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (LQO/l)
Their terms are acceptable.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (LQO/l)
Their terms are acceptable.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (dBuZF)
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Most iconic photo I can recall since 9-11.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (7+K6
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It shows Trump as AMERICA, rather than just a Presidential candidate.
A resurgent America in the world scares the Dems shitless, as well as America's other enemies around the globe.
THEY see Trump as a resurgent America who can be a powerful ally or a terrifying foe, depending on their own national goals.
FJB by contrast is a weak coward.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (7+K6
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It shows Trump as AMERICA, rather than just a Presidential candidate.
A resurgent America in the world scares the Dems shitless, as well as America's other enemies around the globe.
THEY see Trump as a resurgent America who can be a powerful ally or a terrifying foe, depending on their own national goals.
FJB by contrast is a weak coward.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (BpYfr)
378
And now i want kielbasa.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (BAEGB)
_________
And now I want pierogi.
And now i want kielbasa.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (BAEGB)
_________
And now I want pierogi.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (1Nxff)
379
I don't like all this talk of conspiracies and incompetence.
But. Well. Shit. I have been wrong before.
I am just thankful that PDT is okay. God bless him and his family.
But. Well. Shit. I have been wrong before.
I am just thankful that PDT is okay. God bless him and his family.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (Ad8y9)
380
Stick a fork in Joe Biden. He's done.
----
Let's not start shuffling each other's cards just yet
Posted by: Don Black
A lot more can happen in four months.
Stick a fork in Joe Biden. He's done.
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Let's not start shuffling each other's cards just yet
Posted by: Don Black
A lot more can happen in four months.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 14, 2024 08:16 PM (63Dwl)
381
That one jumped out at me this afternoon. WTAF does that have to do with anything right now?!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:12 PM (Wnv9h)
"God bless our F-16s" would have been too on the nose?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:12 PM (Wnv9h)
"God bless our F-16s" would have been too on the nose?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:16 PM (BAEGB)
382
317 He can't even read a teleprompter without screwing up.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (LkLld)
Instapundit posted a story yesterday from a call Joe had with the Congressional Progressive Caucus. At one point Joe's staff passed him a note that said "stay positive you are sounding defensive" so Joe immediately read that out loud to everyone who was on the call.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 08:07 PM (LkLld)
Instapundit posted a story yesterday from a call Joe had with the Congressional Progressive Caucus. At one point Joe's staff passed him a note that said "stay positive you are sounding defensive" so Joe immediately read that out loud to everyone who was on the call.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 08:16 PM (S6gqv)
383
Nothing really new to add. When I first heard about the assassination attempt, I had assumed that the sniper had been 600+ yards away. I was shocked to learn that this dude was actually about 150 yards away.
I also noticed the pudgy female officer having difficulty re-holstering her sidearm after Pres. Trump got into the SUV. Shocking lack of proficiency.
WTF?
I also noticed the pudgy female officer having difficulty re-holstering her sidearm after Pres. Trump got into the SUV. Shocking lack of proficiency.
WTF?
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 14, 2024 08:17 PM (pJWtt)
384
363 For me, no optics on a carry sidearm. I've trained without them and feel no need to change that now. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
Muscle and body memory is a thing. Optics works for some, don't for others especially for those that grew up on iron sights.
Me, don't really want to spend precious range time getting acquainted with a new sighting system on pistols that are like old friends.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
Muscle and body memory is a thing. Optics works for some, don't for others especially for those that grew up on iron sights.
Me, don't really want to spend precious range time getting acquainted with a new sighting system on pistols that are like old friends.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:17 PM (mIs2x)
385
I just saw where the FBI is pursuing the assassination attempt as "domestic terrorism"
What advantage does this give them for attacking Trump?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - if you can't pick your adjectives, how can you pick your pronouns? at July 14, 2024 08:11 PM
I did not expect them to go that route as anyone involved in an incident of domestic terrorism gets enhanced sentencing. That includes a 30 year prison sentence for people that helped the freak that tried to kill Trump.
What advantage does this give them for attacking Trump?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - if you can't pick your adjectives, how can you pick your pronouns? at July 14, 2024 08:11 PM
I did not expect them to go that route as anyone involved in an incident of domestic terrorism gets enhanced sentencing. That includes a 30 year prison sentence for people that helped the freak that tried to kill Trump.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 08:17 PM (QNSds)
386
It is well known that range babes are drawn to the scent of Hoppes #9. From there it's up to you.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (Wnv9h)
I dunno, RMBS. Up there at the long range ,it looked like a sausage fest.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (Wnv9h)
I dunno, RMBS. Up there at the long range ,it looked like a sausage fest.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 08:17 PM (dBuZF)
387
368 Just remember, we should settle our differences at the Battlebox.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (LQO/l)
***
Agreed. Battlebots should be a recognized means of dispute resolution.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (LQO/l)
***
Agreed. Battlebots should be a recognized means of dispute resolution.
Posted by: TRex at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (IQ6Gq)
388
378
And now i want kielbasa.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (BAEGB)
_________
And now I want pierogi.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (1Nxff
Now I want a hot Ukrainian mail order bride.
And now i want kielbasa.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (BAEGB)
_________
And now I want pierogi.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (1Nxff
Now I want a hot Ukrainian mail order bride.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (7+K68)
389
372 I just love how the cop climbs up tge ladder and apparently didn't have his gun ready, when CONFRONTING A POTENTIAL SNIPER!
WTF?!
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (elaR+)
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Sheriff Andy made him keep his bullet in his pocket.
WTF?!
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (elaR+)
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Sheriff Andy made him keep his bullet in his pocket.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (jdHxK)
390
The frustrating thing about the attempted assassination: Anyone with a functioning brain could see it coming a mile away. On top of that, collateral casualties were likely.
Yet, nothing was done to make things more secure.
Yet, nothing was done to make things more secure.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (tT6L1)
391
Remember that Elisjsha Dicken took out the food court shooter from 40 yards with a Glock 19. 130 yards with an optic equipped AR15 is a fairly easy shot . Lee Harvey Oswald was less than 90 yards.
Somebody was looking out for Trump .
Somebody was looking out for Trump .
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (oaoC2)
392
The MK13 on an AI chassis is a magnificent rifle, as the slackjawed, mooch breathing attempted assassin found out. .300 WM says, hello.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (CJqj6)
393
I am looking at a WSJ video article covering the assassination attempt and, no kidding, midway through the video the closed captions called Trump "the worst president in the history of our country". Emma Scott and Adam Falk are editors, I sent an email and better get a response. Maybe hacked?
Posted by: Tennessee Volunteer at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (MZ59Z)
394
I did not expect them to go that route as anyone involved in an incident of domestic terrorism gets enhanced sentencing. That includes a 30 year prison sentence for people that helped the freak that tried to kill Trump.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)
Sucking up to their future boss?
I did not expect them to go that route as anyone involved in an incident of domestic terrorism gets enhanced sentencing. That includes a 30 year prison sentence for people that helped the freak that tried to kill Trump.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)
Sucking up to their future boss?
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (elaR+)
395
Me, don't really want to spend precious range time getting acquainted with a new sighting system on pistols that are like old friends.
Same here, whig.
Same here, whig.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (mH6SG)
396
Also, given the paired nature of the shots*, initially, I would guess he was using a binary trigger.
What is the experience around here with those, in terms of continued accurate fire?
(* The shots sounded like bang-bang, bang-bang, bang-bang.)
Posted by: GWB a
From what I heard, I initially (within the first 5 minutes of the shootings and murder ) thought that the brained damaged fuck was using a semi auto pistol .22, possibly suppressed from the audience in front of big brass balls El Trumpo. But that made no sense at all from a logistics POV. Then I thought a suppressed 10/22 rifle from elsewhere. Then first pic came thru of the rooftop building and I figured an AR in 5.56mm, may have a crap suppressor from about 120 mtrs away. Not a binary trigger to my ear, just semi auto rapid.
What is the experience around here with those, in terms of continued accurate fire?
(* The shots sounded like bang-bang, bang-bang, bang-bang.)
Posted by: GWB a
From what I heard, I initially (within the first 5 minutes of the shootings and murder ) thought that the brained damaged fuck was using a semi auto pistol .22, possibly suppressed from the audience in front of big brass balls El Trumpo. But that made no sense at all from a logistics POV. Then I thought a suppressed 10/22 rifle from elsewhere. Then first pic came thru of the rooftop building and I figured an AR in 5.56mm, may have a crap suppressor from about 120 mtrs away. Not a binary trigger to my ear, just semi auto rapid.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (bgJ0E)
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I dunno, RMBS. Up there at the long range ,it looked like a sausage fest.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 08:17 PM
Were we cleaning our weapons? No. No, we were not.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 08:17 PM
Were we cleaning our weapons? No. No, we were not.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (Wnv9h)
398
The two fat chicks with guns would have been hilarious if they hadn't been so pathetic. That's the kind of shit I'd expect from my local PDs revolving door of sloppy, unmotivated rookies.
Also hoping there won't be too much of YET ANOTHER ammo panic buying frenzy. I've had unforeseen expenses lately and had to cut back, and if it happens again I'll be out of luck for what, another 5 years.
Also hoping there won't be too much of YET ANOTHER ammo panic buying frenzy. I've had unforeseen expenses lately and had to cut back, and if it happens again I'll be out of luck for what, another 5 years.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (bFId9)
399
Just remember, we should settle our differences at the Battlebox.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (LQO/l)
***
Agreed. Battlebots should be a recognized means of dispute resolution.
Posted by: TRex at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (IQ6Gq)
Be careful though, I hear Joe has a 6 handicap.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (LQO/l)
***
Agreed. Battlebots should be a recognized means of dispute resolution.
Posted by: TRex at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (IQ6Gq)
Be careful though, I hear Joe has a 6 handicap.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (LQO/l)
400
At least Joe's senility is no longer Story No. 1.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (1Nxff)
I expect that the attempted assassination of Trump will be the end of the palace coup against Biden. I don't believe the voting public is going to tolerate shenanigans at this point. If the Democrats overthrow Biden now it shows them to be untrustworthy slime and will suffer all the more down ballot.
Further, if they're seriously considering Kamala as his replacement it's just easier to keep Biden at the top of the ticket (assuming he's still electable). Simply put, he'll die anyway and she ascends to the Presidency. Easy peasy.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (1Nxff)
I expect that the attempted assassination of Trump will be the end of the palace coup against Biden. I don't believe the voting public is going to tolerate shenanigans at this point. If the Democrats overthrow Biden now it shows them to be untrustworthy slime and will suffer all the more down ballot.
Further, if they're seriously considering Kamala as his replacement it's just easier to keep Biden at the top of the ticket (assuming he's still electable). Simply put, he'll die anyway and she ascends to the Presidency. Easy peasy.
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (EIXun)
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165 CNN: Shannen Doherty, ‘Beverly Hills, 90210’ and ‘Charmed’ star, dead at 53
https://tinyurl.com/yvxx4fr9
The bullet meant for Donald Trump struck Shannen Doherty instead.
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 07:40 PM (fkxLU)
But we also lost
-Richard Simmons
-Dr Ruth Westheimer
https://tinyurl.com/yvxx4fr9
The bullet meant for Donald Trump struck Shannen Doherty instead.
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 07:40 PM (fkxLU)
But we also lost
-Richard Simmons
-Dr Ruth Westheimer
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - Abandon Brandon at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (2AW7/)
402
And now I want pierogi.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (1Nxff)
My buddy shared a great chef's tip for pierogi dough with me once. Add a bit of egg white, whipped just to a soft peak. Fold it into the dough with a tiny tiny pinch of baking powder when you first start getting it together. Gives it a little lift and crispiness without blowing the dough out completely.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (1Nxff)
My buddy shared a great chef's tip for pierogi dough with me once. Add a bit of egg white, whipped just to a soft peak. Fold it into the dough with a tiny tiny pinch of baking powder when you first start getting it together. Gives it a little lift and crispiness without blowing the dough out completely.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (BAEGB)
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391 Remember that Elisjsha Dicken took out the food court shooter from 40 yards with a Glock 19.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (oaoC2)
He became a legend in that one moment.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (oaoC2)
He became a legend in that one moment.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (hmKaK)
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Randomly, Mollie Hemingway's Rigged has rotated into my cue. So not a day for keeping my BP under 140. Currently she's talking about the CHAZ autonomous zone. These things are hilarious when reading about them here at the AoSHQ.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (lhenN)
405
Plus you can't stop to turn on a red dot optic in the heat of a moment.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (7+K68)
406
>> At one point Joe's staff passed him a note that said "stay positive you are sounding defensive" so Joe immediately read that out loud to everyone who was on the call.
It's so obvious there is nobody at home. The gaslighting isn't working.
It's so obvious there is nobody at home. The gaslighting isn't working.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (LkLld)
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 08:20 PM (elaR+)
408
Maybe the smoke will preserve the barrel like a fine kielbasa.
I don't know, I'm not a materials scientist.
Oh shit. I am a materials scientist.
But i still don't know.
And now i want kielbasa.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
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Actually powder residue prevents galling of brass cases when resizing and depriming them. Acts as a quasi lube to make it easier. However, outdoor range brass can have nasty sand, grit, etc. that can mar dies and scratch the brass.
I clean my brass before reloading but often add a touch of imperial sizing wax to about every tenth case to avoid the galling and faster wear on resizing dies.
I don't know, I'm not a materials scientist.
Oh shit. I am a materials scientist.
But i still don't know.
And now i want kielbasa.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
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Actually powder residue prevents galling of brass cases when resizing and depriming them. Acts as a quasi lube to make it easier. However, outdoor range brass can have nasty sand, grit, etc. that can mar dies and scratch the brass.
I clean my brass before reloading but often add a touch of imperial sizing wax to about every tenth case to avoid the galling and faster wear on resizing dies.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:20 PM (mIs2x)
409
377 Most iconic photo I can recall since 9-11.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (7+K6
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It shows Trump as AMERICA, rather than just a Presidential candidate."
Best quote I've seen - Trump raising his fist at that moment turned his campaign from something ordinary into the ending of Rocky IV. There may be no more iconic moment in American history.
The Left, in trying to make him a villain, has turned him into the Hero we always knew he could be.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (7+K6
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It shows Trump as AMERICA, rather than just a Presidential candidate."
Best quote I've seen - Trump raising his fist at that moment turned his campaign from something ordinary into the ending of Rocky IV. There may be no more iconic moment in American history.
The Left, in trying to make him a villain, has turned him into the Hero we always knew he could be.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 08:20 PM (S6gqv)
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blake, I did find it amazing that early one no one was questioning where the bullet that grazed PDT's ear went..
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:20 PM (5MvGY)
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398 Also hoping there won't be too much of YET ANOTHER ammo panic buying frenzy. I've had unforeseen expenses lately and had to cut back, and if it happens again I'll be out of luck for what, another 5 years.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (bFId9)
There is, according to my email, but it may not last very long, since it's not driven by legitimate fears of shortages.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (bFId9)
There is, according to my email, but it may not last very long, since it's not driven by legitimate fears of shortages.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 08:20 PM (hmKaK)
412
Be careful though, I hear Joe has a 6 handicap.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (LQO/l)
He's got way more than six, unless you're being generous and bundling them together into broad categories.
Oh. You mean golf. Nevermind.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (LQO/l)
He's got way more than six, unless you're being generous and bundling them together into broad categories.
Oh. You mean golf. Nevermind.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:21 PM (BAEGB)
413
Kinzinger, not to be outdone, declared that Vance pointing out the obvious makes him “unqualified” or somesuch to be the VP candidate.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 08:21 PM (u/QE9)
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Comment 357 - Troyriser - I believe your hypothesis about SS protection for Trump to be intentionally weak, new, and unpracticed. Regarding the sounds of the attack, listen closely, and after the supposed "last" shot was fired, a few seconds pass, and then POW, one more shot. Was this an AD by DA, or a coup de grace by a sniper to make sure the shooter couldn't talk?
Posted by: TXMarko at July 14, 2024 08:21 PM (7flhA)
415
That was the shortest Fox panel discussion I have ever seen. Fancy assembling vice or six of them for a two minute discussion.
Posted by: Decaf at July 14, 2024 08:21 PM (unUNN)
416
Be careful though, I hear Joe has a 6 handicap.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (LQO/l)
1. Dementia
2. Incontinence
3. Tremors
4. Dizziness
5. A weird fondness for ice cream
6. Little girls (as long as they're white)
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (LQO/l)
1. Dementia
2. Incontinence
3. Tremors
4. Dizziness
5. A weird fondness for ice cream
6. Little girls (as long as they're white)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at July 14, 2024 08:21 PM (Ad8y9)
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119 This morning the NYTimes published an editorial stating that Trump was unfit for the presidency
less than 24 hrs after an assassination attempt
they never stop
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (/7KEl)
Why? Because he only got hit in the ear and is not braindead?
less than 24 hrs after an assassination attempt
they never stop
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (/7KEl)
Why? Because he only got hit in the ear and is not braindead?
Posted by: BonnieBlue is tired of the lies at July 14, 2024 08:21 PM (FWq7Q)
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Joe’s slurring his words again. Drink when his says “anyway “.
Posted by: Unkaren at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (2nlEB)
Just remember, we should settle our differences at the Battlebox.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (LQO/l)
Im excited for my time in the battle box
Posted by: Unkaren at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (2nlEB)
Just remember, we should settle our differences at the Battlebox.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (LQO/l)
Im excited for my time in the battle box
Posted by: LASue at July 14, 2024 08:21 PM (lCppi)
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 08:22 PM (lX8VI)
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good evening Weasel and Horde,
Just a few thoughts:
1. Thank you God for whatever made the shooter only graze PDT's ear.
2. Please pray for the retired Fire Chief's family who died at the scene, and for the other two individuals who were reported to be in critical condition.
3. Followed all the news last night, but returned to the range for our usual Sunday session today. And it was crowded.
4. I am so grateful to everyone who contributed to my ability to shoot and defend myself and my family. Especially today.
5. Attended a class on core pistol development - very valuable. Focused almost exclusively on fundamentals. Now have more specifics to work on.
6. I love you Ben Had, but have to respectfully disagree re Civil War. I would love to be wrong, but see no other way this ends. God Bless this country and those who love and defend her.
Just a few thoughts:
1. Thank you God for whatever made the shooter only graze PDT's ear.
2. Please pray for the retired Fire Chief's family who died at the scene, and for the other two individuals who were reported to be in critical condition.
3. Followed all the news last night, but returned to the range for our usual Sunday session today. And it was crowded.
4. I am so grateful to everyone who contributed to my ability to shoot and defend myself and my family. Especially today.
5. Attended a class on core pistol development - very valuable. Focused almost exclusively on fundamentals. Now have more specifics to work on.
6. I love you Ben Had, but have to respectfully disagree re Civil War. I would love to be wrong, but see no other way this ends. God Bless this country and those who love and defend her.
Posted by: Grateful at July 14, 2024 08:22 PM (IQ6Gq)
421
Plus you can't stop to turn on a red dot optic in the heat of a moment.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (7+K6
I have a couple of red dots that turn on with movement.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (7+K6
I have a couple of red dots that turn on with movement.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 14, 2024 08:22 PM (A3700)
422
Oh, here's something. Ammoseek. Did you know they have a function to search for magazines?
Yep. You can search for magazines. FInd the best price.
Because we say buy guns and buy ammo, but we don't often say buy magazines. Hey, my gun came with 2 or 3 in the box, I've got magazines!
You need more, probably.
Yep. You can search for magazines. FInd the best price.
Because we say buy guns and buy ammo, but we don't often say buy magazines. Hey, my gun came with 2 or 3 in the box, I've got magazines!
You need more, probably.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:22 PM (IFNME)
423
For me, no optics on a carry sidearm. I've trained without them and feel no need to change that now. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
Muscle and body memory is a thing. Optics works for some, don't for others especially for those that grew up on iron sights.
Me, don't really want to spend precious range time getting acquainted with a new sighting system on pistols that are like old friends.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:17 PM
My take on optics for a defensive carry handgun is that I don't feel that the cost and time spent practicing with the would be of any benefit to me. I am fine with iron sights out to 15-20 yards and can hit a paper plate at those ranges with almost all of my shots.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
Muscle and body memory is a thing. Optics works for some, don't for others especially for those that grew up on iron sights.
Me, don't really want to spend precious range time getting acquainted with a new sighting system on pistols that are like old friends.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:17 PM
My take on optics for a defensive carry handgun is that I don't feel that the cost and time spent practicing with the would be of any benefit to me. I am fine with iron sights out to 15-20 yards and can hit a paper plate at those ranges with almost all of my shots.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 08:22 PM (QNSds)
424
I just saw where the FBI is pursuing the assassination attempt as "domestic terrorism"
What advantage does this give them for attacking Trump?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - if you can't pick your adjectives, how can you pick your pronouns?
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Hanging their hat on the shooter registering as a republican to vote for Nikki. -> Republicans are terrorists
What advantage does this give them for attacking Trump?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - if you can't pick your adjectives, how can you pick your pronouns?
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Hanging their hat on the shooter registering as a republican to vote for Nikki. -> Republicans are terrorists
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 14, 2024 08:22 PM (cOq4q)
425
Democrats a Nazis, if there was ever any doubt then that doubt is now resolved!!! Nazicrats, from now on they are and always should be described as Nazicrats.
Posted by: American at July 14, 2024 08:23 PM (PsUT0)
426
Oh. You mean golf. Nevermind.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:21 PM (BAEGB)
True confession: I really don't know what that means, when someone says their golf handicap is X.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:21 PM (BAEGB)
True confession: I really don't know what that means, when someone says their golf handicap is X.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:23 PM (LQO/l)
427
"@ Ben Had, yes, I've shot a deer. I was really surprised at how calm cool and collected I was as I shot him pretty much through the heart.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal"
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BenHad, I figure I'm about your age and have been hunting since a kid. I learned to shoot and still practice to be ready to make a good shot on live game. I have killed about everything from small game to moose, including elk and caribou. I've got a deer or two or three almost every year. Do the math that's a lot of deer. Some of them were archery and quite a few were with a flintlock. Still even at my advanced age I still am not calm about killing any animal. Except maybe snakes.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal"
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BenHad, I figure I'm about your age and have been hunting since a kid. I learned to shoot and still practice to be ready to make a good shot on live game. I have killed about everything from small game to moose, including elk and caribou. I've got a deer or two or three almost every year. Do the math that's a lot of deer. Some of them were archery and quite a few were with a flintlock. Still even at my advanced age I still am not calm about killing any animal. Except maybe snakes.
Posted by: Cosda at July 14, 2024 08:23 PM (ux7/e)
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Best quote I've seen - Trump raising his fist at that moment turned his campaign from something ordinary into the ending of Rocky IV. There may be no more iconic moment in American history.
The Left, in trying to make him a villain, has turned him into the Hero we always knew he could be.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 08:20 PM (S6gqv
Gonna go out on a limb and suggest Time doesn't make this the photograph of the year. Probably some tranny putting on pantyhose in a girls locker room instead.
The Left, in trying to make him a villain, has turned him into the Hero we always knew he could be.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 08:20 PM (S6gqv
Gonna go out on a limb and suggest Time doesn't make this the photograph of the year. Probably some tranny putting on pantyhose in a girls locker room instead.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:23 PM (7+K68)
429
SitRep: Gub thread has exceeded food thread comment volume. Carry on.
Posted by: TRex at July 14, 2024 08:23 PM (IQ6Gq)
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165 CNN: Shannen Doherty, ‘Beverly Hills, 90210’ and ‘Charmed’ star, dead at 53
https://tinyurl.com/yvxx4fr9
The bullet meant for Donald Trump struck Shannen Doherty instead.
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 07:40 PM (fkxLU)
But we also lost
-Richard Simmons
-Dr Ruth Westheimer
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
And Shelly Duvall
Tough week for my childhood and young adulthood.
https://tinyurl.com/yvxx4fr9
The bullet meant for Donald Trump struck Shannen Doherty instead.
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 07:40 PM (fkxLU)
But we also lost
-Richard Simmons
-Dr Ruth Westheimer
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
And Shelly Duvall
Tough week for my childhood and young adulthood.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 08:23 PM (elaR+)
431
Imperial sizing wax >>> metric sizing wax
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 08:23 PM (jDfrA)
432
For me, no optics on a carry sidearm. I've trained without them and feel no need to change that now. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 14, 2024 08:13 PM (mH6SG)
Same.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 14, 2024 08:13 PM (mH6SG)
Same.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 08:24 PM (W/lyH)
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It is visceral. He is Rocky Balboa. He is bloodied. But he is undefeated.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:06 PM (HeZkj)
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Absolutely.
We need to do everything we can to deserve the sacrifices this magnificent mithril-haired goombah has done for our country. Literally his blood and treasure.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2024 07:06 PM (HeZkj)
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Absolutely.
We need to do everything we can to deserve the sacrifices this magnificent mithril-haired goombah has done for our country. Literally his blood and treasure.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at July 14, 2024 08:24 PM (kpS4V)
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130 meters with an AR should be a layup, especially if you are scoped. But cold bore, on 5 mph wind is enough to throw your shot off if you don’t have the skills. I believe what saved Trump was God. But since the shooter probably aimed center, turning his head plus the wind was enough to fulfill the Lord’s wishes.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:24 PM (CJqj6)
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and their slow actions nearly got Trump murdered.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:14 PM (elaR+)
They did get a bystander murdered and two more injured.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 07:14 PM (elaR+)
They did get a bystander murdered and two more injured.
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 08:24 PM (AWrpC)
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My take on optics for a defensive carry handgun is that I don't feel that the cost and time spent practicing with the would be of any benefit to me. I am fine with iron sights out to 15-20 yards and can hit a paper plate at those ranges with almost all of my shots.
Posted by: Mister Scott
I would agree. In addition, for the most part, if your firearm is not set up from the mfg to wear an optic, they can be finicky in operation.
Posted by: Mister Scott
I would agree. In addition, for the most part, if your firearm is not set up from the mfg to wear an optic, they can be finicky in operation.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:24 PM (mIs2x)
437
If the Dems had any brains, they would see the writing on the wall and concede 2024 right now. They have the stink of failure all over them, even more than usual. 'Holed below the waterline', I think they call it.
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 08:24 PM (/7KEl)
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>This is why I don't run red dots on anything meant to protect me. Batteries die.
I replace them all once a year. It isn't a big deal.
(Now if I could be diligent about cleaning them...)
I replace them all once a year. It isn't a big deal.
(Now if I could be diligent about cleaning them...)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 14, 2024 08:25 PM (lhenN)
439
Damn. I broke my vow to mostly lurk. *shrugs*
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 14, 2024 08:25 PM (mH6SG)
440
How much ammo should we have on hand, for target shooting and for real?
Posted by: iandeal at July 14, 2024 08:25 PM (WLJIy)
441
Maybe the smoke is corrosive.
Maybe the smoke will preserve the barrel like a fine kielbasa.
I don't know, I'm not a materials scientist.
Oh shit. I am a materials scientist.
But i still don't know.
And now i want kielbasa.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (BAEGB)
Oddly...I followed that logic.
Now Im hungry.
Maybe the smoke will preserve the barrel like a fine kielbasa.
I don't know, I'm not a materials scientist.
Oh shit. I am a materials scientist.
But i still don't know.
And now i want kielbasa.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:14 PM (BAEGB)
Oddly...I followed that logic.
Now Im hungry.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 08:25 PM (W/lyH)
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>>> But hey, bear with me here: what if Trump's Secret Service detail is a deliberate dump of their very worst? The worst of the worst? That would explain the ineptitude of their response.
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Deliberate short staffing and sending 2nd/3rd tier already noted above.
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Deliberate short staffing and sending 2nd/3rd tier already noted above.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 14, 2024 08:25 PM (cOq4q)
443
That picture with the flag will go down in history. Bigly.
Posted by: Cocoanut Koala at July 14, 2024 08:25 PM (7iVzU)
444
Not enough information about the Trump shooter's actual rifle but keep in mind there are numerous .22LR AR-style rifles out there. Chiappa makes one, they're usually about $400 or so. Some AR-15 types are as cheap as +/- $500 or so, but most are way more than that. It's entirely *possible* the shooter had a rimfire that looks like an AR-15.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 08:25 PM (bFId9)
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370 Will huffing gun cleaning oil increase my sex drive?
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM
It is well known that range babes are drawn to the scent of Hoppes #9. From there it's up to you.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (Wnv9h)
It is known ... yes it is !!!
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at July 14, 2024 08:10 PM
It is well known that range babes are drawn to the scent of Hoppes #9. From there it's up to you.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:15 PM (Wnv9h)
It is known ... yes it is !!!
Posted by: browndog sniffing about at July 14, 2024 08:26 PM (TTAGa)
446
True confession: I really don't know what that means, when someone says their golf handicap is X.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:23 PM (LQO/l)
Me neither!
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:23 PM (LQO/l)
Me neither!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:26 PM (BAEGB)
447
431 Imperial sizing wax >>> metric sizing wax
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Heh. When I use Imperial, I have never had any cases stick. Spray lube, on the other hand, appears to be a crap shoot and I am not pleased with how it does on 5.56 cases.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Heh. When I use Imperial, I have never had any cases stick. Spray lube, on the other hand, appears to be a crap shoot and I am not pleased with how it does on 5.56 cases.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:26 PM (mIs2x)
448
247 I heard that a cop climbed up to the roof for some reason and was confronted by the Trump shooter but retreated when the shooter pointed the rifle at him, before the shooting started.
Yes, you're at a disadvantage climbing up. But you could have put a few shots in the air to warn everyone.
Unless you climbed up to tell him he was good to go.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 14, 2024 07:54 PM (Gse2f)
Ooohhhh. I actually left that unsaid, Ig. Well done!
Yes, you're at a disadvantage climbing up. But you could have put a few shots in the air to warn everyone.
Unless you climbed up to tell him he was good to go.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 14, 2024 07:54 PM (Gse2f)
Ooohhhh. I actually left that unsaid, Ig. Well done!
Posted by: Eromero at July 14, 2024 08:26 PM (LHPAg)
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I expect that the attempted assassination of Trump will be the end of the palace coup against Biden. I don't believe the voting public is going to tolerate shenanigans at this point. If the Democrats overthrow Biden now it shows them to be untrustworthy slime and will suffer all the more down ballot.
Further, if they're seriously considering Kamala as his replacement it's just easier to keep Biden at the top of the ticket (assuming he's still electable). Simply put, he'll die anyway and she ascends to the Presidency. Easy peasy.
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (EIXun)
I agree, I was making that case this morning. Plus, no other candidate is going to want to step in now and take a guaranteed, career ending beat down. (Kamala might be dumb enough to do it, but what's the point of that?)
And so this weekend, big donors and party leaders are coming to the obvious conclusion that it's better to let Joe and Kamala run a Thelma and Louise campaign, let them flame out spectacularly and go over the cliff. Then the Party will be done with both of them forever, and they can start over fresh in 2028.
Further, if they're seriously considering Kamala as his replacement it's just easier to keep Biden at the top of the ticket (assuming he's still electable). Simply put, he'll die anyway and she ascends to the Presidency. Easy peasy.
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (EIXun)
I agree, I was making that case this morning. Plus, no other candidate is going to want to step in now and take a guaranteed, career ending beat down. (Kamala might be dumb enough to do it, but what's the point of that?)
And so this weekend, big donors and party leaders are coming to the obvious conclusion that it's better to let Joe and Kamala run a Thelma and Louise campaign, let them flame out spectacularly and go over the cliff. Then the Party will be done with both of them forever, and they can start over fresh in 2028.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 08:26 PM (S6gqv)
450
Ben Had, Comment 410 - I was able to hear the ECHO of the bullets striking thick aluminum following the shots, so I knew they were striking the far stands. RIP the Fireman, and the young kid whose picture was shown but not identified, among with a 3rd person who was hit.
I'm guessing we wont hear anything about the coming "investigation" into this shooting.. Buried down the memory hole....
I'm guessing we wont hear anything about the coming "investigation" into this shooting.. Buried down the memory hole....
Posted by: TXMarko at July 14, 2024 08:27 PM (7flhA)
451
When I think of SS short staffing, for some reason, I think of David telling his men to withdraw from Uriah. With a bit of, "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest!"
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 08:27 PM (tT6L1)
452
Joe’s slurring his words again. Drink when his says “anyway “.
Posted by: Unkaren at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM
Dude...I need to be able to go to work tomorrow.
Posted by: Unkaren at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM
Dude...I need to be able to go to work tomorrow.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:27 PM (Wnv9h)
453
hi Whig, for the Thelma and Louise analogy, (I remember your comment this morning) I envision the rest of us as the spectators on the side of the canyon, not in the car with them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 08:28 PM (S6gqv)
454
Hate to be a downer, but we’ve got 4 months till the election and half a year before swearing in.
We’ve only just begun.
We’ve only just begun.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 08:28 PM (dBuZF)
455
How do we know if the shooter had any training at all? Maybe all he had yesterday was access to a rifle, and several screws loose in his brain.
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 08:28 PM (/7KEl)
456
Good grief, even I can shoot 130yds with a scope and hit my target.
Posted by: Grateful at July 14, 2024 08:28 PM (IQ6Gq)
457
Posted by: All Hail Eris at July 14, 2024 08:24 PM (kpS4V)
Our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
Our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 08:28 PM (lX8VI)
458
That person and maybe others need to be looking at other employment.
Penguin census taker McMurdo. Or polar bear census taker.
Posted by: Anna Puma
Digger on the Greater Southern Prosperity Canal, along the US-Mexico border.
Penguin census taker McMurdo. Or polar bear census taker.
Posted by: Anna Puma
Digger on the Greater Southern Prosperity Canal, along the US-Mexico border.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 14, 2024 08:28 PM (VNX3d)
459
They did get a bystander murdered and two more injured.
Posted by: GWB
Yes, and there should be consequences for that.
Posted by: GWB
Yes, and there should be consequences for that.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 08:28 PM (elaR+)
460
Something that husband and I were just talking about, the camera people that went running up to the stage. I live the photos but why were they allowed to do that. Those security people didn't know who they were and didn't know if they had cameras, guns or bombs. That is so incredibly stupid to allow that.
Posted by: Megthered at July 14, 2024 08:28 PM (W1XW9)
461
Also hoping there won't be too much of YET ANOTHER ammo panic buying frenzy. I've had unforeseen expenses lately and had to cut back, and if it happens again I'll be out of luck for what, another 5 years.
Posted by: LenNeal
Evening all. ^^^ This is the reason I got into black powder. I can still shoot. Make my own powder, percussion caps & roll my own round balls & not have to touch my centerfire stockpile.
Posted by: LenNeal
Evening all. ^^^ This is the reason I got into black powder. I can still shoot. Make my own powder, percussion caps & roll my own round balls & not have to touch my centerfire stockpile.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 08:28 PM (NzK/m)
462
"Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest!"
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 08:27 PM
Literally one of the first things my sister texted me about this last night.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 08:27 PM
Literally one of the first things my sister texted me about this last night.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:29 PM (Wnv9h)
463
But hey, bear with me here: what if Trump's Secret Service detail is a deliberate dump of their very worst?
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Scott Adams has suggested that PDT offer to exchange his USSS team for Biden's if they're both of the same top quality they should be.
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Scott Adams has suggested that PDT offer to exchange his USSS team for Biden's if they're both of the same top quality they should be.
Posted by: andycanuck (Jh5b+) at July 14, 2024 08:29 PM (Jh5b+)
464
Kinzinger, not to be outdone, declared that Vance pointing out the obvious makes him “unqualified” or somesuch to be the VP candidate.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 08:21 PM (u/QE9)
Is there anyone left that gives two tugs of a dead dog's cock what that fuckstain thinks?
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 08:21 PM (u/QE9)
Is there anyone left that gives two tugs of a dead dog's cock what that fuckstain thinks?
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 08:29 PM (NOIZT)
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130 meters with an AR should be a layup, especially if you are scoped. But cold bore, on 5 mph wind is enough to throw your shot off if you don’t have the skills. I believe what saved Trump was God. But since the shooter probably aimed center, turning his head plus the wind was enough to fulfill the Lord’s wishes.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:24 PM (CJqj6)
If the actual shooter was on that roof, his shot would have been much easier, if Trump hadn't turned his head about a minute earlier, to talk about the graph on the big screen.
No doubt the shooter was hoping to hit the temple, from the side, but couldn't wait for Trump to turn back to the crowd in front. Still, he was trying to hit the temp, slightly turned from the front, and the little head tilt too away the size of the target. But that target was there a millisecond before the shot was taken, and very plausibly would have been fatal... if Trump hadn't tilted his head.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:24 PM (CJqj6)
If the actual shooter was on that roof, his shot would have been much easier, if Trump hadn't turned his head about a minute earlier, to talk about the graph on the big screen.
No doubt the shooter was hoping to hit the temple, from the side, but couldn't wait for Trump to turn back to the crowd in front. Still, he was trying to hit the temp, slightly turned from the front, and the little head tilt too away the size of the target. But that target was there a millisecond before the shot was taken, and very plausibly would have been fatal... if Trump hadn't tilted his head.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:29 PM (LQO/l)
466
Howie's connected...
Howie Carr
@HowieCarrShow
It's looking like it's J.D. Vance for veep. Stories on-line about black cars arriving at his home, like it's his new security detail.
He's tight w/Don Jr. & Tucker & u know who they're tight with. Tucker interviews Trump Mon., is that when announcement comes?
Just what I hear.
Howie Carr
@HowieCarrShow
It's looking like it's J.D. Vance for veep. Stories on-line about black cars arriving at his home, like it's his new security detail.
He's tight w/Don Jr. & Tucker & u know who they're tight with. Tucker interviews Trump Mon., is that when announcement comes?
Just what I hear.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 14, 2024 08:30 PM (TGPs7)
467
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 08:09 PM (AWrpC)
If I recall correctly, it was OddBob who generously offered the clips.
If I recall correctly, it was OddBob who generously offered the clips.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 14, 2024 08:30 PM (j96YS)
468
Dang, that's a shame. Shannon D was hotter than an August tar snake on a bare foot in Heathers.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 08:30 PM (ee6uy)
469
Something that husband and I were just talking about, the camera people that went running up to the stage. I live the photos but why were they allowed to do that.
Those security people didn't know who they were and didn't know if they had cameras, guns or bombs. That is so incredibly stupid to allow that.
Posted by: Megthered
Cap the first photog as a threat, and they won't do it again.
Those security people didn't know who they were and didn't know if they had cameras, guns or bombs. That is so incredibly stupid to allow that.
Posted by: Megthered
Cap the first photog as a threat, and they won't do it again.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 08:30 PM (NzK/m)
470
455 How do we know if the shooter had any training at all? Maybe all he had yesterday was access to a rifle, and several screws loose in his brain.
Posted by: Don Black
I saw a clip on Fox saying he was on his high school rifle team.
Posted by: Don Black
I saw a clip on Fox saying he was on his high school rifle team.
Posted by: Cosda at July 14, 2024 08:30 PM (ux7/e)
471
@326, lol
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at July 14, 2024 08:30 PM (UWgy2)
472
I have two slides for my p365 which is often my carry weapon. One is setup with a trijicon rmr, which I find is helpful for faster target acquisition on that size weapon. Once you get a feel for the dot and practice enough it works extremely well. I don’t care for it on any other size handgun. Night sights like the Trijicon HD’s or the Angry Bear’s usually do the trick.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:30 PM (CJqj6)
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Weasel, thanks for the thread! Catch you all next week!
1,000 yard match next Saturday. I'm going to see if I can improve on my 85 of last month or take another step backward.
later!
1,000 yard match next Saturday. I'm going to see if I can improve on my 85 of last month or take another step backward.
later!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (tT6L1)
474
Keep in mind everything they say about the Donald is actually being said about Americans. Well over half. They want to frame it as a “white supremacist” thing. “Only” wypepo vote or support DJT. This notion must be maintained at any cost.
YOU are the “existential threat” that “must be stopped” and “eliminated” etc. Regardless of your race or ethnicity or anything. Eliminationist rhetorc, demagoguery has been going on decades.
I asked this months ago. Where do they go from here? “We were just kidding! No hard feelings, OK?” Call decent peaceable people “worse than Hitler” etc.
YOU are the “existential threat” that “must be stopped” and “eliminated” etc. Regardless of your race or ethnicity or anything. Eliminationist rhetorc, demagoguery has been going on decades.
I asked this months ago. Where do they go from here? “We were just kidding! No hard feelings, OK?” Call decent peaceable people “worse than Hitler” etc.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (u/QE9)
475
The only thing that would make Donald Trump cooler than he is would be if he did concealed carry (Who knows? Maybe he already does).
What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
Posted by: Paco at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (njExo)
476
That Tucker - Trump interview Monday may break records...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (TGPs7)
477
Do we have a definitive count of the number of gunshots and when? I count one (Trump reaches for his ear), two three, pause, then several. I think all of these would have been from the bad guy. Then there is a long pause and there is one shot, I think from a good guy.
Posted by: Onlooker at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (JKooo)
478
130 meters with an AR should be a layup, especially if you are scoped. But cold bore, on 5 mph wind is enough to throw your shot off if you don’t have the skills. I believe what saved Trump was God. But since the shooter probably aimed center, turning his head plus the wind was enough to fulfill the Lord’s wishes.
God's Breath.
God's Breath.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 08:32 PM (NzK/m)
479
Just what I hear.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 14, 2024 08:30 PM
Tomorrow's programming should be interesting. Kuhner's going to be nuts.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 14, 2024 08:30 PM
Tomorrow's programming should be interesting. Kuhner's going to be nuts.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:32 PM (Wnv9h)
480
Grateful, we have learned that there are other methods. Remember that only 30% of the population won the Civil War. Holds true today. Darlin, do I see you in an armed confrontation. No. Do I see me yes.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:32 PM (5MvGY)
481
He said we settle differences at the “Battle Box?”
Mine is tanned, rested and ready .
Trump 2024.
Mine is tanned, rested and ready .
Trump 2024.
Posted by: Czech Chick at July 14, 2024 08:32 PM (fpVC1)
482
Something that husband and I were just talking about, the camera people that went running up to the stage. I live the photos but why were they allowed to do that. Those security people didn't know who they were and didn't know if they had cameras, guns or bombs. That is so incredibly stupid to allow that.
Posted by: Megthered at July 14, 2024 08:28 PM (W1XW9)
Yes, other than the group of agents who swarmed Trump, it appears everyone else who was there providing security didn't know what the hell they were supposed to do.
Posted by: Megthered at July 14, 2024 08:28 PM (W1XW9)
Yes, other than the group of agents who swarmed Trump, it appears everyone else who was there providing security didn't know what the hell they were supposed to do.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:32 PM (LQO/l)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 08:32 PM (LkLld)
484
What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
Posted by: Paco at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM
.45...obviously.
Posted by: Paco at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM
.45...obviously.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:33 PM (Wnv9h)
485
He did connect, but I don't think he was aiming for his ear.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 07:21 PM (JwHpX)
And this is why, for defensive purposes, we do not typically aim for the head*. (Or even for the head with a hunting shot, typically.) Because the head moves.
If Trump had not leaned slightly forward (maybe an inch) and turned his head to the right, that shot would have directly encountered the side of his skull. People (and animals) move their heads unexpectedly all the time, their torso less so.
I figured, based on a 300 foot shot, that the shooter missed by about 2-3 MOA. Because Trump moved his head to look at a different part of the crowd.
(* From any kind of distance.)
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 07:21 PM (JwHpX)
And this is why, for defensive purposes, we do not typically aim for the head*. (Or even for the head with a hunting shot, typically.) Because the head moves.
If Trump had not leaned slightly forward (maybe an inch) and turned his head to the right, that shot would have directly encountered the side of his skull. People (and animals) move their heads unexpectedly all the time, their torso less so.
I figured, based on a 300 foot shot, that the shooter missed by about 2-3 MOA. Because Trump moved his head to look at a different part of the crowd.
(* From any kind of distance.)
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 08:33 PM (AWrpC)
486
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (tT6L1)
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Good luck! Aim for the center!
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Good luck! Aim for the center!
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 08:34 PM (JwHpX)
487
Do we have a definitive count of the number of gunshots and when? I count one (Trump reaches for his ear), two three, pause, then several. I think all of these would have been from the bad guy. Then there is a long pause and there is one shot, I think from a good guy.
Posted by: Onlooker at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (JKooo)
I think that's right, but nobody is saying officially.
Posted by: Onlooker at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (JKooo)
I think that's right, but nobody is saying officially.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:34 PM (LQO/l)
488
Adam Kinzinger is a pimple.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:34 PM (BAEGB)
489
Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays
Everyone saying the assassination attempt must be an inside job doesn’t understand the power of DEI.
5:26 PM · Jul 14, 2024
Good point.
@ScottAdamsSays
Everyone saying the assassination attempt must be an inside job doesn’t understand the power of DEI.
5:26 PM · Jul 14, 2024
Good point.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 14, 2024 08:34 PM (1n189)
490
Good luck Blake, rooting for improvement and success!
Posted by: Grateful at July 14, 2024 08:34 PM (IQ6Gq)
491
Not enough information about the Trump shooter's actual rifle but keep in mind there are numerous .22LR AR-style rifles out there. Chiappa makes one, they're usually about $400 or so. Some AR-15 types are as cheap as +/- $500 or so, but most are way more than that. It's entirely *possible* the shooter had a rimfire that looks like an AR-15.
Posted by: LenNeal
Tippmann makes a nice one.
Posted by: LenNeal
Tippmann makes a nice one.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 08:34 PM (NzK/m)
492
>I saw a clip on Fox saying he was on his high school rifle team
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well thankfully, he was not good at it
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well thankfully, he was not good at it
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 08:34 PM (/7KEl)
493
It doesn't "have to be" an inside job, but an inside job is on the table shouting hello.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 08:35 PM (lX8VI)
494
This guy has a good video about the shooting.
I have it queued to a view of a hydraulic lift that was struck by a bullet.
https://ytube.io/3xvf
I have it queued to a view of a hydraulic lift that was struck by a bullet.
https://ytube.io/3xvf
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 14, 2024 08:35 PM (aD39U)
495
God's Breath.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 08:32 PM (NzK/m)
Rachael.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 08:32 PM (NzK/m)
Rachael.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:35 PM (BAEGB)
496
Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania deserves criticism for allowing this lawlessness in his state. Apparently it was a state or local cop who flubbed up the mission and allowed this tragedy/near-catastrophe. Not to mention how Philadelphia is basically in total anarchy. Governor Shapiro is a horrible governor, one of the worst in America. No sense of right and wrong.
Posted by: Onlooker at July 14, 2024 08:36 PM (JKooo)
497
I have to build 2 more now. A 6 and a 10 ounce.
Damnit.
Posted by: Reforger at July 14, 2024 07:23 PM (xcIvR)
LOL, what a problem to have! I never thought of caliber creep with cannon before!
Damnit.
Posted by: Reforger at July 14, 2024 07:23 PM (xcIvR)
LOL, what a problem to have! I never thought of caliber creep with cannon before!
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 08:36 PM (AWrpC)
498
481: He's clearly the winner in "the most ludicrous take " contest
Posted by: LASue at July 14, 2024 08:36 PM (lCppi)
499
I figured, based on a 300 foot shot, that the shooter missed by about 2-3 MOA. Because Trump moved his head to look at a different part of the crowd.
(* From any kind of distance.)
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 08:33 PM (AWrpC)
That little head tilt is a Trump quirk. He does it a lot, and it saved his life.
(* From any kind of distance.)
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 08:33 PM (AWrpC)
That little head tilt is a Trump quirk. He does it a lot, and it saved his life.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:36 PM (LQO/l)
500
440 How much ammo should we have on hand, for target shooting and for real?
Posted by: iandeal
Do an analysis of your lifestyle and realistic threats. If you carry, then you need 100-200 rounds of premium self defense ammo or so of that carry ammo at a minimum to allow swapping it out over time and using the old carry ammo as range ammo.
Range ammo should be whatever you consume weekly plus putting aside at least a 50 round box for later. So you shoot 200 rounds per month--buy three hundred. And so on.
Long guns, depends on use and security analysis. Have both premium self defense ammo--soft/ballistic points for rifles plus fmj range ammo, shotguns--buckshot and heavy birdshot for practice. About a 1 box of self defense per 5 boxes practice--in a 5.56--that means one box of Hornady TAP for example, and 5 boxes of fmj range ammo. Shotgun, one box of hunting buckshot and 5 boxes of heavy bird shot (assuming you have a pump--if a semi auto shotgun then get ammo including range ammo that reliably feeds and operates the shotgun--see manual).
Posted by: iandeal
Do an analysis of your lifestyle and realistic threats. If you carry, then you need 100-200 rounds of premium self defense ammo or so of that carry ammo at a minimum to allow swapping it out over time and using the old carry ammo as range ammo.
Range ammo should be whatever you consume weekly plus putting aside at least a 50 round box for later. So you shoot 200 rounds per month--buy three hundred. And so on.
Long guns, depends on use and security analysis. Have both premium self defense ammo--soft/ballistic points for rifles plus fmj range ammo, shotguns--buckshot and heavy birdshot for practice. About a 1 box of self defense per 5 boxes practice--in a 5.56--that means one box of Hornady TAP for example, and 5 boxes of fmj range ammo. Shotgun, one box of hunting buckshot and 5 boxes of heavy bird shot (assuming you have a pump--if a semi auto shotgun then get ammo including range ammo that reliably feeds and operates the shotgun--see manual).
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:36 PM (mIs2x)
501
Plus you can't stop to turn on a red dot optic in the heat of a moment.
As others have pointed out, if they are properly maintained (the good ones, anyway) they are always in a state of readiness. I just don't care for them with respect to a carry sidearm.
As others have pointed out, if they are properly maintained (the good ones, anyway) they are always in a state of readiness. I just don't care for them with respect to a carry sidearm.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 14, 2024 08:36 PM (mH6SG)
502
480/
I pray it doesn't come to that, but if necessary, don't underestimate me. I'm a New Yorker just like PDT.
I pray it doesn't come to that, but if necessary, don't underestimate me. I'm a New Yorker just like PDT.
Posted by: Grateful at July 14, 2024 08:36 PM (IQ6Gq)
503
And so this weekend, big donors and party leaders are coming to the obvious conclusion that it's better to let Joe and Kamala run a Thelma and Louise campaign, let them flame out spectacularly and go over the cliff. Then the Party will be done with both of them forever, and they can start over fresh in 2028.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 08:26 PM
That is my take as well. No matter what happens now joe biden is on the ballot for the democrats. All of the effort to remove biden from the ballot is over after last night. They will concede the loss in November and wage four more years of lawfare against Trump when he wins and regroup for 2028.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 08:26 PM
That is my take as well. No matter what happens now joe biden is on the ballot for the democrats. All of the effort to remove biden from the ballot is over after last night. They will concede the loss in November and wage four more years of lawfare against Trump when he wins and regroup for 2028.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 08:37 PM (QNSds)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 14, 2024 08:37 PM (aD39U)
505
Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania deserves criticism for allowing this lawlessness in his state. Apparently it was a state or local cop who flubbed up the mission and allowed this tragedy/near-catastrophe. Not to mention how Philadelphia is basically in total anarchy. Governor Shapiro is a horrible governor, one of the worst in America. No sense of right and wrong.
Posted by: Onlooker at July 14, 2024 08:36 PM (JKooo)
And he stole his election.
Posted by: Onlooker at July 14, 2024 08:36 PM (JKooo)
And he stole his election.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:37 PM (LQO/l)
506
"405 Plus you can't stop to turn on a red dot optic in the heat of a moment.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (7+K6"
that's why I took the laser off the P290, it added too many therbligs to the process
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (7+K6
"
that's why I took the laser off the P290, it added too many therbligs to the process
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (UWgy2)
507
This is why I don't run red dots on anything meant to protect me. Batteries die.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (7+K6
It depends on what red dot you're talking about. On handguns, I'm "meh" about them. If it works for you, OK. But I've never trained with red dots and feel more confident using old fashioned iron sights. For rifles, I'm OK w/ them. My SHTF rifle is a Colt M4A1 SOCOM fitted with an Aimpoint Comp M4S. Aimpoints can take a ton of abuse and still hold zero, as my experience in Afghanistan tells me. AA batteries are cheap, readily available, and easy to replace. If you're worried about exceeding the 80,000 hour life on a AA battery, just replace it every holiday season.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:05 PM (7+K6
It depends on what red dot you're talking about. On handguns, I'm "meh" about them. If it works for you, OK. But I've never trained with red dots and feel more confident using old fashioned iron sights. For rifles, I'm OK w/ them. My SHTF rifle is a Colt M4A1 SOCOM fitted with an Aimpoint Comp M4S. Aimpoints can take a ton of abuse and still hold zero, as my experience in Afghanistan tells me. AA batteries are cheap, readily available, and easy to replace. If you're worried about exceeding the 80,000 hour life on a AA battery, just replace it every holiday season.
Posted by: Ed L at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (yRXSd)
508
@475
>>What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
Golden Snub Nosed .38
>>What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
Golden Snub Nosed .38
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (XV/Pl)
509
Yes, other than the group of agents who swarmed Trump, it appears everyone else who was there providing security didn't know what the hell they were supposed to do.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:32 PM (LQO/l)
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I heard that one female SS agent was busy trying to unholster her weapon.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 08:32 PM (LQO/l)
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I heard that one female SS agent was busy trying to unholster her weapon.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (jdHxK)
510
Reddit is still full systems go with Trump is the most bad evil orange man that ever lived. But they seem to have tampered down on the “damn he missed” comments.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (1n189)
511
Some stuff gets reported stuff -
I have seen that the shooter had a bomb in his car. I have also seen it reported that he had explosives in his car.
The most "official" looking report I saw said he had "explosive materials" in his car. Well, okay, GASOLINE is an explosive material. So I am not sure what is up with that.
But aside from the obviously questionable things on the protective side, I am not seeing answers, or the questions being asked, on the threat side. This kid lived about 40 miles away. Was he familiar with the area? This rally wasn't announced long in advance. In a short amount of time he was able to put together an assassination attempt. He brought the ladder with him or just happened to find it? He knew he needed a ladder to get somewhere that would likely be watched?
A lot of questions.
I have seen that the shooter had a bomb in his car. I have also seen it reported that he had explosives in his car.
The most "official" looking report I saw said he had "explosive materials" in his car. Well, okay, GASOLINE is an explosive material. So I am not sure what is up with that.
But aside from the obviously questionable things on the protective side, I am not seeing answers, or the questions being asked, on the threat side. This kid lived about 40 miles away. Was he familiar with the area? This rally wasn't announced long in advance. In a short amount of time he was able to put together an assassination attempt. He brought the ladder with him or just happened to find it? He knew he needed a ladder to get somewhere that would likely be watched?
A lot of questions.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (IFNME)
512
This guy has a good video about the shooting.
I have it queued to a view of a hydraulic lift that was struck by a bullet.
https://ytube.io/3xvf
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 14, 2024 08:35 PM
That was not a .22 lr round.
I have it queued to a view of a hydraulic lift that was struck by a bullet.
https://ytube.io/3xvf
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 14, 2024 08:35 PM
That was not a .22 lr round.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (QNSds)
513
What a desperate bid for covering for the left.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 14, 2024 08:39 PM (IG4Id)
514
I heard that one female SS agent was busy trying to unholster her weapon.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (jdHxK
She should be fired, immediately. It was incredibly embarrassing.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (jdHxK
She should be fired, immediately. It was incredibly embarrassing.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:39 PM (7+K68)
515
Grateful, my foxhole is your foxhole.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:39 PM (5MvGY)
516
>>What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
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Derringer. The most deadly handgun ever produced.
/s
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Derringer. The most deadly handgun ever produced.
/s
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 08:39 PM (jdHxK)
517
What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
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BFG-9000
He's got four years to make the technology.
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BFG-9000
He's got four years to make the technology.
Posted by: Methos at July 14, 2024 08:39 PM (Dnobf)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at July 14, 2024 08:39 PM (UWgy2)
519
I just saw where the FBI is pursuing the assassination attempt as "domestic terrorism"
What advantage does this give them for attacking Trump?
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I did not expect them to go that route as anyone involved in an incident of domestic terrorism gets enhanced sentencing. That includes a 30 year prison sentence for people that helped the freak that tried to kill Trump.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)
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That ginger haired guy that desperately tried to point out the shooter to the SS and cops is screwed.
What advantage does this give them for attacking Trump?
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I did not expect them to go that route as anyone involved in an incident of domestic terrorism gets enhanced sentencing. That includes a 30 year prison sentence for people that helped the freak that tried to kill Trump.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)
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That ginger haired guy that desperately tried to point out the shooter to the SS and cops is screwed.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM (08Sk0)
520
Trump's memoirs will be a real page-turner
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM (/7KEl)
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM (1n189)
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM (NzK/m)
523
What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
Posted by: Paco at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (njExo)
An FN GP.
What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
Posted by: Paco at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (njExo)
An FN GP.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM (bgJ0E)
524
and can hit a paper plate at those ranges with almost all of my shots.
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Including Chinet©??
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Including Chinet©??
Posted by: andycanuck (Jh5b+) at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM (Jh5b+)
525
This may be sacrilege here, but....
Trump should not start packing an iron.
He should belt up with a cavalry sabre.
Trump should not start packing an iron.
He should belt up with a cavalry sabre.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM (BAEGB)
526
512 This guy has a good video about the shooting.
I have it queued to a view of a hydraulic lift that was struck by a bullet.
https://ytube.io/3xvf
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 14, 2024 08:35 PM
That was not a .22 lr round.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (QNSds
Agreed.
I have it queued to a view of a hydraulic lift that was struck by a bullet.
https://ytube.io/3xvf
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 14, 2024 08:35 PM
That was not a .22 lr round.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (QNSds
Agreed.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM (7+K68)
527
@492
>>well thankfully, he was not good at it
I wouldn't say that, you ever been hunting?
Have you ever missed?
Pretty sure everyone has missed a shot or two, and taking a hasty shot at the King is not like sighting in a Buck.
>>well thankfully, he was not good at it
I wouldn't say that, you ever been hunting?
Have you ever missed?
Pretty sure everyone has missed a shot or two, and taking a hasty shot at the King is not like sighting in a Buck.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 08:41 PM (XV/Pl)
528
488. Adam Kinzinger is a pimple. - Warai-otoko
I like to think of him as being more like a hemorrhoid, but pimple will do.
I like to think of him as being more like a hemorrhoid, but pimple will do.
Posted by: Paco at July 14, 2024 08:41 PM (njExo)
529
And this is why, for defensive purposes, we do not typically aim for the head*. (Or even for the head with a hunting shot, typically.) Because the head moves.
Posted by: GWB
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The late Louie Awerbuck noted that center of mass as a concept has been hollowed from what was the original clear conception. It was aim at the center of mass of what you see in your sight picture. People are rarely given the full on frontal mano y mano target and instead they dodge, weave, drop, etc.
He mentioned during his training class that he used 3d models and turned the anatomic models to the side for his students to target--high level of fails because they could not mentally recalculate to the center of mass that is actually showing. Same problem with hostage type targets.
His books are well worth seeking out btw and are mostly his musings in short form about various training subjects that he noted. Guy was always learning.
Posted by: GWB
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The late Louie Awerbuck noted that center of mass as a concept has been hollowed from what was the original clear conception. It was aim at the center of mass of what you see in your sight picture. People are rarely given the full on frontal mano y mano target and instead they dodge, weave, drop, etc.
He mentioned during his training class that he used 3d models and turned the anatomic models to the side for his students to target--high level of fails because they could not mentally recalculate to the center of mass that is actually showing. Same problem with hostage type targets.
His books are well worth seeking out btw and are mostly his musings in short form about various training subjects that he noted. Guy was always learning.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:41 PM (mIs2x)
530
If the Dems had any brains, they would see the writing on the wall and concede 2024 right now. They have the stink of failure all over them, even more than usual. 'Holed below the waterline', I think they call it.
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 08:24 PM
They're not thinking that way. Nancy Pelosi said this last week:
“This is not a normal election where you want to win and if you don’t, you cooperate and do the best you can for the country and hope to win the next time.This [Trump] is something that is undermining our democracy. He must be stopped. He cannot be president!”
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 08:24 PM
They're not thinking that way. Nancy Pelosi said this last week:
“This is not a normal election where you want to win and if you don’t, you cooperate and do the best you can for the country and hope to win the next time.This [Trump] is something that is undermining our democracy. He must be stopped. He cannot be president!”
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 08:42 PM (jDfrA)
531
511 Some stuff gets reported stuff -
I have seen that the shooter had a bomb in his car. I have also seen it reported that he had explosives in his car.
The most "official" looking report I saw said he had "explosive materials" in his car. Well, okay, GASOLINE is an explosive material. So I am not sure what is up with that.
But aside from the obviously questionable things on the protective side, I am not seeing answers, or the questions being asked, on the threat side. This kid lived about 40 miles away. Was he familiar with the area? This rally wasn't announced long in advance. In a short amount of time he was able to put together an assassination attempt. He brought the ladder with him or just happened to find it? He knew he needed a ladder to get somewhere that would likely be watched?
A lot of questions.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (IFNME)
Oh we forgot to tell you. He was also the J6 bomber. So we're good to go on that one now.
I have seen that the shooter had a bomb in his car. I have also seen it reported that he had explosives in his car.
The most "official" looking report I saw said he had "explosive materials" in his car. Well, okay, GASOLINE is an explosive material. So I am not sure what is up with that.
But aside from the obviously questionable things on the protective side, I am not seeing answers, or the questions being asked, on the threat side. This kid lived about 40 miles away. Was he familiar with the area? This rally wasn't announced long in advance. In a short amount of time he was able to put together an assassination attempt. He brought the ladder with him or just happened to find it? He knew he needed a ladder to get somewhere that would likely be watched?
A lot of questions.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (IFNME)
Oh we forgot to tell you. He was also the J6 bomber. So we're good to go on that one now.
Posted by: Christopher Wray at July 14, 2024 08:42 PM (ee6uy)
532
And so this weekend, big donors and party leaders are coming to the obvious conclusion that it's better to let Joe and Kamala run a Thelma and Louise campaign, let them flame out spectacularly and go over the cliff. Then the Party will be done with both of them forever, and they can start over fresh in 2028.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 08:26 PM (S6gqv)
SFX: From the direction of Chappaqua, a faint, but growing, cackling sound can be heard on the evening breeze.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 08:26 PM (S6gqv)
SFX: From the direction of Chappaqua, a faint, but growing, cackling sound can be heard on the evening breeze.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 14, 2024 08:42 PM (Aqu9a)
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 08:42 PM (bFId9)
534
"And he stole his election.
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Shapiro stole the 2022 election for himself and Fetterman and stole the 2020 election from Trump and as AG helped block any investigation.
**********
Shapiro stole the 2022 election for himself and Fetterman and stole the 2020 election from Trump and as AG helped block any investigation.
Posted by: Cosda at July 14, 2024 08:42 PM (ux7/e)
535
That ginger haired guy that desperately tried to point out the shooter to the SS and cops is screwed.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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When in that shape, always go big for the publicity. Essentially the only protection that whistleblowers get (just like dissidents in the old Soviet Union) is to become too public to be cancelled.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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When in that shape, always go big for the publicity. Essentially the only protection that whistleblowers get (just like dissidents in the old Soviet Union) is to become too public to be cancelled.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:42 PM (mIs2x)
536
>I heard that one female SS agent was busy trying to unholster her weapon.
no, she unholstered it- it was when she tried to put it back that she struggled
no, she unholstered it- it was when she tried to put it back that she struggled
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 08:43 PM (/7KEl)
537
Warai, if I'm not mistaken they took away his right to carry in the last trial.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:43 PM (5MvGY)
538
“ I'm OK w/ them. My SHTF rifle is a Colt M4A1 SOCOM fitted with an Aimpoint Comp M4S”
Oh hell yes. With the KAC Triple Tap.
Oh hell yes. With the KAC Triple Tap.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:44 PM (CJqj6)
539
475 The only thing that would make Donald Trump cooler than he is would be if he did concealed carry (Who knows? Maybe he already does).
What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
Posted by: Paco at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (njExo)
1911 stainless
What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
Posted by: Paco at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (njExo)
1911 stainless
Posted by: Eromero at July 14, 2024 08:44 PM (LHPAg)
540
"
But hey, bear with me here: what if Trump's Secret Service detail is a deliberate dump of their very worst? The worst of the worst? That would explain the ineptitude of their response. As conspiracies go, it makes the most sense. The Biden Administration is technically giving Trump protection, but the likelihood of that protection detail failing to fulfill their mission is orders of magnitude greater than if experienced and capable professionals were performing that task. As explanations go, it covers all we saw happen in that clusterfark of a debacle.
Posted by: troyriser "
I was Marine once, don't know if I mentioned. I got a page 11 for PRAISING my platoon commander who was a womn, because I said, "She could almost outerun me, ulike the bitches," and I meant "bitches" as all off the weak men.
But I got "counseled" on page 11, and I didn't give a fuck. I praised a woman, while being abused by lesser women. No, that bitch could run. I did 6 or 5 minute moiles, and this bitch was next to me the entire time. She was REAL, but I get a write up because I said that "That bitch is real."
But hey, bear with me here: what if Trump's Secret Service detail is a deliberate dump of their very worst? The worst of the worst? That would explain the ineptitude of their response. As conspiracies go, it makes the most sense. The Biden Administration is technically giving Trump protection, but the likelihood of that protection detail failing to fulfill their mission is orders of magnitude greater than if experienced and capable professionals were performing that task. As explanations go, it covers all we saw happen in that clusterfark of a debacle.
Posted by: troyriser "
I was Marine once, don't know if I mentioned. I got a page 11 for PRAISING my platoon commander who was a womn, because I said, "She could almost outerun me, ulike the bitches," and I meant "bitches" as all off the weak men.
But I got "counseled" on page 11, and I didn't give a fuck. I praised a woman, while being abused by lesser women. No, that bitch could run. I did 6 or 5 minute moiles, and this bitch was next to me the entire time. She was REAL, but I get a write up because I said that "That bitch is real."
Posted by: Wickedpinto at July 14, 2024 08:44 PM (XKj0h)
541
He should belt up with a cavalry sabre.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM
Ummmm ... you know we've kind of moved on to katanas now?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM
Ummmm ... you know we've kind of moved on to katanas now?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 08:44 PM (jDfrA)
542
What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
Posted by: Paco
M203.
Posted by: Paco
M203.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 08:44 PM (NzK/m)
543
514 I heard that one female SS agent was busy trying to unholster her weapon.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (jdHxK
She should be fired, immediately. It was incredibly embarrassing.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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Well,to her credit, unlike, the backflipping FBI agent who was on the dance floor that got reinstated last week by a judge, nobody else got shot by her.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (jdHxK
She should be fired, immediately. It was incredibly embarrassing.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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Well,to her credit, unlike, the backflipping FBI agent who was on the dance floor that got reinstated last week by a judge, nobody else got shot by her.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:44 PM (mIs2x)
544
“This is not a normal election where you want to win and if you don’t, you cooperate and do the best you can for the country and hope to win the next time.This [Trump] is something that is undermining our democracy. He must be stopped. He cannot be president!”
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 08:42 PM (jDfrA)
and yet they tried, and the smarter ones now realize they've failed.
1) Denial
2) Anger
3) Bargaining
4) Depression
5) Acceptance
The smarter ones (especially the donors) are now moving into Stage 5, the stupid ones will keep cycling through the first 4 over and over.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 08:42 PM (jDfrA)
and yet they tried, and the smarter ones now realize they've failed.
1) Denial
2) Anger
3) Bargaining
4) Depression
5) Acceptance
The smarter ones (especially the donors) are now moving into Stage 5, the stupid ones will keep cycling through the first 4 over and over.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 08:44 PM (S6gqv)
545
SFX: From the direction of Chappaqua, a faint, but growing, cackling sound can be heard on the evening breeze.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 14, 2024 08:42 PM (Aqu9a)
Hillary laughing
Spreads her wings
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 14, 2024 08:42 PM (Aqu9a)
Hillary laughing
Spreads her wings
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 14, 2024 08:45 PM (aD39U)
546
This guy has a good video about the shooting.
I have it queued to a view of a hydraulic lift that was struck by a bullet.
https://ytube.io/3xvf
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Dang. There was a TREE in between them and the sniper's rooftop and they still decided "Nah, it's fine, let Trump go onstage."
I have it queued to a view of a hydraulic lift that was struck by a bullet.
https://ytube.io/3xvf
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Dang. There was a TREE in between them and the sniper's rooftop and they still decided "Nah, it's fine, let Trump go onstage."
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 08:45 PM (08Sk0)
547
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:41 PM (mIs2x)
Hey bud. What do you put the chances at that this was a lone dude with no "outside" (yes) assistance. You have a good bead on things.
Hey bud. What do you put the chances at that this was a lone dude with no "outside" (yes) assistance. You have a good bead on things.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 08:45 PM (lX8VI)
548
If the SS are short staffed and not able to provide adequate security, they should speak up and say "Don't come, we can't secure the area".
Posted by: fd at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (vFG9F)
You know why they can't do that? Because 200 Trump bros with all sorts of high quality firearms would stand up and say, "That's cool. We've got this." And they would know security because they were in the 'Stan or somewhere else and did that job regularly. And if Trump went, it would highly embarrass all the "professionals" and "experts."
Posted by: fd at July 14, 2024 07:31 PM (vFG9F)
You know why they can't do that? Because 200 Trump bros with all sorts of high quality firearms would stand up and say, "That's cool. We've got this." And they would know security because they were in the 'Stan or somewhere else and did that job regularly. And if Trump went, it would highly embarrass all the "professionals" and "experts."
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 08:45 PM (AWrpC)
549
He did, until he ram for office.
osted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:44 PM (CJqj6)
539 475 The only thing that would make Donald Trump cooler than he is would be if he did concealed carry (Who knows? Maybe he already does).
osted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:44 PM (CJqj6)
539 475 The only thing that would make Donald Trump cooler than he is would be if he did concealed carry (Who knows? Maybe he already does).
Posted by: Wickedpinto at July 14, 2024 08:46 PM (XKj0h)
550
He should belt up with a cavalry sabre.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM (BAEGB)
I think Weasel should offer him his Katana.
With Hogue Combat Grips.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM (BAEGB)
I think Weasel should offer him his Katana.
With Hogue Combat Grips.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 08:46 PM (dBuZF)
551
Guys, I just got back from CNN. We're all wrong.
Trump fell. That's how he hurt his ear.
It was an incident in which he was injured. The SS carried him off after he fell.
His speed was interrupted by the SS.
Trump fell. That's how he hurt his ear.
It was an incident in which he was injured. The SS carried him off after he fell.
His speed was interrupted by the SS.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:46 PM (7+K68)
552
What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
Posted by: Paco
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The gold plated Trump 1911 the NRA ads want to sell me.
Posted by: Paco
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The gold plated Trump 1911 the NRA ads want to sell me.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 08:46 PM (08Sk0)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 14, 2024 08:46 PM (aD39U)
554
537 Warai, if I'm not mistaken they took away his right to carry in the last trial.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:43 PM (5MvGY)
Negativo - New York does not do that until sentencing. So Florida has not taken away his right to bear arms.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:43 PM (5MvGY)
Negativo - New York does not do that until sentencing. So Florida has not taken away his right to bear arms.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:46 PM (IFNME)
555
He mentioned during his training class that he used 3d models and turned the anatomic models to the side for his students to target--high level of fails because they could not mentally recalculate to the center of mass that is actually showing. Same problem with hostage type targets.'
I print my own targets, which are asymmetric shapes drawn in Libre Office, trapezoids and such printed in either black or grey tones, sometimes both, usually on plain white paper but sometimes dull yellow or grey, then put them out in the indoor range at 20 feet or so in very dim lighting. It about matches what you'll actually see at night in artificial street lighting.
I print my own targets, which are asymmetric shapes drawn in Libre Office, trapezoids and such printed in either black or grey tones, sometimes both, usually on plain white paper but sometimes dull yellow or grey, then put them out in the indoor range at 20 feet or so in very dim lighting. It about matches what you'll actually see at night in artificial street lighting.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 08:47 PM (bFId9)
556
Aimpoints can take a ton of abuse and still hold zero, as my experience in Afghanistan tells me. AA batteries are cheap, readily available, and easy to replace. If you're worried about exceeding the 80,000 hour life on a AA battery, just replace it every holiday season.
Posted by: Ed L
Red dots can make sense on a long arm for short range but so can low tech iron sights as well.
Prefer prismatic fixed magnifier optics like 2.5-3x for CQB rifles.
Posted by: Ed L
Red dots can make sense on a long arm for short range but so can low tech iron sights as well.
Prefer prismatic fixed magnifier optics like 2.5-3x for CQB rifles.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:47 PM (mIs2x)
557
blaster. Thsnks.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:47 PM (5MvGY)
558
What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
Posted by: Paco
M61 20mm
Posted by: Paco
M61 20mm
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 14, 2024 08:47 PM (VNX3d)
559
130 meters with an AR should be a layup, especially if you are scoped.
In drills (mostly for Run n Gun), its nothing to run a 100 meter dash with a Tavor X95 + EOTech and clang 8" AS500 from a standing, kneeling or prone position at 100 meters.
Might as well be Point Blank at that range.
In drills (mostly for Run n Gun), its nothing to run a 100 meter dash with a Tavor X95 + EOTech and clang 8" AS500 from a standing, kneeling or prone position at 100 meters.
Might as well be Point Blank at that range.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 08:48 PM (rHxhM)
560
You know why they can't do that? Because 200 Trump bros with all sorts of high quality firearms would stand up and say, "That's cool. We've got this." And they would know security because they were in the 'Stan or somewhere else and did that job regularly. And if Trump went, it would highly embarrass all the "professionals" and "experts."
Posted by: GWB
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Good point. And they'd stand at the stage and say "We need people here, here, here, and here, and at this time of day the sun will be here, and that flag will disclose wind direction and speed and cannot be flying above Trump, and..."
And the fat chicks would look up from their phones and say "What?"
Posted by: GWB
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Good point. And they'd stand at the stage and say "We need people here, here, here, and here, and at this time of day the sun will be here, and that flag will disclose wind direction and speed and cannot be flying above Trump, and..."
And the fat chicks would look up from their phones and say "What?"
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 08:48 PM (08Sk0)
561
I heard that one female SS agent was busy trying to unholster her weapon.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43)
__________
Special Agent Barnia Fife
I heard that one female SS agent was busy trying to unholster her weapon.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43)
__________
Special Agent Barnia Fife
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (1Nxff)
562
I think Weasel should offer him his Katana.
With Hogue Combat Grips.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 08:46 PM (dBuZF)
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Speaking of which, I think I will get it back tomorrow.
With Hogue Combat Grips.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 08:46 PM (dBuZF)
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Speaking of which, I think I will get it back tomorrow.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (JwHpX)
563
545 SFX: From the direction of Chappaqua, a faint, but growing, cackling sound can be heard on the evening breeze.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 14, 2024 08:42 PM (Aqu9a)
Hillary laughing
Spreads her wings
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 14, 2024 08:45 PM (aD39U)
LOL ...
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 14, 2024 08:42 PM (Aqu9a)
Hillary laughing
Spreads her wings
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 14, 2024 08:45 PM (aD39U)
LOL ...
Posted by: browndog sniffing about at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (TTAGa)
564
The only thing that would make Donald Trump cooler than he is would be if he did concealed carry (Who knows? Maybe he already does).
What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
Posted by: Paco at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (njExo)
1911 stainless
Posted by: Eromero at July 14, 2024 08:44 PM
Trump can't carry any firearm as of right now as he is a convicted felon and is prohibited from even touching a firearm. Until his conviction is over turned on appeal he is barred from owning, touching or carrying a firearm.
That being said, if it was me I would be packing.
What would be the coolest gun for this former and future president to carry?
Posted by: Paco at July 14, 2024 08:31 PM (njExo)
1911 stainless
Posted by: Eromero at July 14, 2024 08:44 PM
Trump can't carry any firearm as of right now as he is a convicted felon and is prohibited from even touching a firearm. Until his conviction is over turned on appeal he is barred from owning, touching or carrying a firearm.
That being said, if it was me I would be packing.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (QNSds)
565
Wow, Bill Barr struggled for almost a minute when asked by Jesse Watters if he trusted this FBI, he finally stuttered out that they should be allowed to carry out their investigation and then have the Congress check their work.
Posted by: Decaf at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (unUNN)
566
How much ammo should we have on hand, for target shooting and for real?
Posted by: iandeal at July 14, 2024 08:25 PM (WLJIy)
If you can still navigate your garage and spare bedrooms, you don't have enough.
Posted by: iandeal at July 14, 2024 08:25 PM (WLJIy)
If you can still navigate your garage and spare bedrooms, you don't have enough.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (j96YS)
567
think Weasel should offer him his Katana.
With Hogue Combat Grips.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 08:46 PM (dBuZF)
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Speaking of which, I think I will get it back tomorrow.
Posted by: Weasel
So we get a Katana thread next week? Please?
With Hogue Combat Grips.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 08:46 PM (dBuZF)
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Speaking of which, I think I will get it back tomorrow.
Posted by: Weasel
So we get a Katana thread next week? Please?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (VNX3d)
568
The coolest gun for Trump to carry is whatever is strapped to the hips of the 50,000 regular bastards who roll up to watch him every time he comes to any town anywhere ever.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:50 PM (BAEGB)
569
Trump should carry a minigun like Blain.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:50 PM (IFNME)
570
562 I think Weasel should offer him his Katana.
With Hogue Combat Grips.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 08:46 PM (dBuZF)
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Speaking of which, I think I will get it back tomorrow.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (JwHpX)
If it can't chop a tomato, send it back.
With Hogue Combat Grips.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 08:46 PM (dBuZF)
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Speaking of which, I think I will get it back tomorrow.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (JwHpX)
If it can't chop a tomato, send it back.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:50 PM (7+K68)
571
Trijicon FTW. IMHO.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (mH6SG)
572
515
Ben Had my friend, I'd be honored to share your fox hole. If it comes to that. Otherwise, let's just look forward to drinking good red wine at the MoMe!
Ben Had my friend, I'd be honored to share your fox hole. If it comes to that. Otherwise, let's just look forward to drinking good red wine at the MoMe!
Posted by: Grateful at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (IQ6Gq)
573
Weasel hugs and love to you both.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (5MvGY)
574
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:44 PM (CJqj6)
Featured in the Gun Thread a couple of years back.
Featured in the Gun Thread a couple of years back.
Posted by: Ed L at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (yRXSd)
575
. It about matches what you'll actually see at night in artificial street lighting.
I was trained by an active IDF SF instructor for night shooting with both the AR-15 and Tavor platforms. Everything, especially tactics change with night fire. Not really comparable to screwing around pretending its daytime with just dim light.
I was trained by an active IDF SF instructor for night shooting with both the AR-15 and Tavor platforms. Everything, especially tactics change with night fire. Not really comparable to screwing around pretending its daytime with just dim light.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (rHxhM)
576
Trump can't carry any firearm as of right now as he is a convicted felon and is prohibited from even touching a firearm. Until his conviction is over turned on appeal he is barred from owning, touching or carrying a firearm.
That being said, if it was me I would be packing.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (QNSds)
Nope see above.
That being said, if it was me I would be packing.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (QNSds)
Nope see above.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (IFNME)
577
I would think there would be enough Spec Ops and Marine Recon Snipers who have retired or left the service who would willingly step up to protect Trump now.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - Abandon Brandon at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (2AW7/)
578
If Trump chose a Glock would you haters back off😀
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (B1dzx)
579
I have a question about how the SS holsters their weapons. There has been video on Fox all day of a close up of the SS agents covering up Trump which exposed the one agents carry set up. Extended mag, did not look like a Glock but the entire frame was buried in what looked like a metal square box. Positioned at 4 o’clock. Not comfortable and completely non concealable for the ordinary person. What type of holster is that?
Posted by: Jen the original at July 14, 2024 08:52 PM (Keioc)
580
I thought it was odd that the Secret Service grabbed the shooter's body and hustled it out of there. Since he was obviously dead, why not wait for a coroner?
Posted by: Onlooker at July 14, 2024 08:52 PM (JKooo)
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 08:52 PM (rHxhM)
582
Grateful, that is a done deal!
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:52 PM (5MvGY)
583
569 Trump should carry a minigun like Blain.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:50 PM (IFNME)
Well not just like Blain. It should be gold plated.
Natch.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:50 PM (IFNME)
Well not just like Blain. It should be gold plated.
Natch.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:52 PM (IFNME)
584
He may have aimed at the head because he assumed vest.
Posted by: davidt at July 14, 2024 08:52 PM (SYTee)
585
Speaking of which, I think I will get it back tomorrow.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM
Awesome!
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM
Awesome!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 14, 2024 08:52 PM (mH6SG)
586
579 - OWB
Posted by: Onlooker at July 14, 2024 08:52 PM (JKooo)
587
Hey bud. What do you put the chances at that this was a lone dude with no "outside" (yes) assistance. You have a good bead on things.
Posted by: ...
Too little good information yet. However, given the chain of events, the gunman was extremely lucky as in lottery winning level or had help. See 16ft ladder to roof, open rooftop, not being noticed by SS or law enforcement, etc.
Bystanders noticed this guy for several minutes with a rifle afaik. Now, one story is that a cop climbed the ladder and confronted the shooter before turning tail when the shooter pointed the rifle at him. The murderer then began firing rounds.
So, dunno. Weird crap can happen like a stewardess surviving a plane crash breaking up in mid air (thousands of feet in the air) and landing with injuries but surviving unlike the rest of the crew and passengers.
Not the way to bet, but possible.
Posted by: ...
Too little good information yet. However, given the chain of events, the gunman was extremely lucky as in lottery winning level or had help. See 16ft ladder to roof, open rooftop, not being noticed by SS or law enforcement, etc.
Bystanders noticed this guy for several minutes with a rifle afaik. Now, one story is that a cop climbed the ladder and confronted the shooter before turning tail when the shooter pointed the rifle at him. The murderer then began firing rounds.
So, dunno. Weird crap can happen like a stewardess surviving a plane crash breaking up in mid air (thousands of feet in the air) and landing with injuries but surviving unlike the rest of the crew and passengers.
Not the way to bet, but possible.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:52 PM (mIs2x)
588
578 If Trump chose a Glock would you haters back off😀
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (B1dzx)
Trump would choose an American classic. 1911 Springfield.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (B1dzx)
Trump would choose an American classic. 1911 Springfield.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:53 PM (7+K68)
589
So we get a Katana thread next week? Please?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (VNX3d)
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At least some more pics!
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (VNX3d)
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At least some more pics!
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 08:53 PM (JwHpX)
590
I have wondered all day what sort of conversation we would be having if Trump had been shot dead.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 14, 2024 08:53 PM (XeU6L)
591
I've mentioned this before but I usually practice in dim light at about 20 feet, sometimes at 30 or so; it gives practice at judging distance at night, which is hard. Things/people tend to look closer and larger than they really are.
I am of the opinion that if I pull a trigger at anything more than about 25 feet I better have a really good story, a really good lawyer, and preferably both.
So I try to be realistic in 'scenarios' as to appearance and judging size and distance.
I am of the opinion that if I pull a trigger at anything more than about 25 feet I better have a really good story, a really good lawyer, and preferably both.
So I try to be realistic in 'scenarios' as to appearance and judging size and distance.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 08:53 PM (bFId9)
592
Just to break the mood, I was zeroing a new CZ600 Trail .223 yesterday. Bolt action, takes AR mags. Not a huge fan of the little sliding skeleton stock so a bit of foam and go fast tape was needed, but it is a nice wee rifle. Ambi mag release and safety. Reasonable adjustable trigger and a reasonably heavy barrel. It is a 1/9 twist and it does not like Fiocchi 55gn ball. Horrible 2-3 inch groups. Needs more work. My Negev LMG arrival is another day closer.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 08:54 PM (bgJ0E)
Posted by: Elderly Git at July 14, 2024 08:54 PM (BJ6Ra)
594
590 I have wondered all day what sort of conversation we would be having if Trump had been shot dead.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 14, 2024 08:53 PM (XeU6L
I don't think it would be pretty.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 14, 2024 08:53 PM (XeU6L
I don't think it would be pretty.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:54 PM (7+K68)
595
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:52 PM (mIs2x)
Thanks, I put it at 55% lone dude and that's reluctantly high
Thanks, I put it at 55% lone dude and that's reluctantly high
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 08:54 PM (lX8VI)
596
Weasel hugs and love to you both.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (5MvGY)
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Right back at you!
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (5MvGY)
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Right back at you!
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 08:54 PM (JwHpX)
Posted by: Joyless Reid at July 14, 2024 08:55 PM (ee6uy)
598
The coolest gun for Trump to carry is whatever is strapped to the hips of the 50,000 regular bastards who roll up to watch him every time he comes to any town anywhere ever.
The safest place in the world is a gun show.
The safest place in the world is a gun show.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 08:55 PM (rHxhM)
599
Trump would choose the M3 Carl Gustav. HB and HEDP rounds.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:55 PM (CJqj6)
600
584 He may have aimed at the head because he assumed vest.
Posted by: davidt
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Dunno. Could have not properly zeroed the rifle, underestimated or over estimated the range. Etc. Etc. Time might give us with more details or it can be like the mass murder in Vegas and the authorities never tell us a damn thing they can get away with.
Posted by: davidt
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Dunno. Could have not properly zeroed the rifle, underestimated or over estimated the range. Etc. Etc. Time might give us with more details or it can be like the mass murder in Vegas and the authorities never tell us a damn thing they can get away with.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:55 PM (mIs2x)
601
Trump can't carry any firearm as of right now as he is a convicted felon and is prohibited from even touching a firearm. Until his conviction is over turned on appeal he is barred from owning, touching or carrying a firearm.
Posted by: Mister Scott
No sentence = not a convicted felon.
Posted by: Mister Scott
No sentence = not a convicted felon.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 14, 2024 08:55 PM (IG4Id)
602
Thanks, I put it at 55% lone dude and that's reluctantly high
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Didn't we have confirmation earlier that he was armed and with a group of (I assume also armed) antifa friends?
That's not lone.
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Didn't we have confirmation earlier that he was armed and with a group of (I assume also armed) antifa friends?
That's not lone.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 08:56 PM (08Sk0)
603
Warai, if I'm not mistaken they took away his right to carry in the last trial.
Posted by: Ben Had
**********
Trump had a New York carry permit in NYC where you can't get one unless you're on the "inside". Funny how New York's attitude changed about him
Posted by: Ben Had
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Trump had a New York carry permit in NYC where you can't get one unless you're on the "inside". Funny how New York's attitude changed about him
Posted by: Cosda at July 14, 2024 08:56 PM (ux7/e)
604
I don't think it would be pretty.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:54 PM (7+K6
I think it's a deafening testament to the MAGA movement's commitment to constitutional order that it isn't un-pretty right now so as it is.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:54 PM (7+K6
I think it's a deafening testament to the MAGA movement's commitment to constitutional order that it isn't un-pretty right now so as it is.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:56 PM (BAEGB)
605
If Trump carried it would be a Desert Kleagle !
EDC a Desert Eagle is a sure way to get lower back problems.
EDC a Desert Eagle is a sure way to get lower back problems.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 08:56 PM (rHxhM)
606
Seeing chatter on Twitter that Secret Service personnel were stretched. DJT's schedule has been busy and Jill Biden was also in Pittsburgh. Dunno if that means they had fewer staff than usual, pulled staff from groups that weren't as used to being on the front line, relied more on local police, etc.
I continue to think there is a non-zero possibility of communication challenges between Secret Service and local police on info, coverage, ROE, decision making, etc. Hard enough for people that are tight and used to working with each other. Adding variables raises the risk of friction.
I continue to think there is a non-zero possibility of communication challenges between Secret Service and local police on info, coverage, ROE, decision making, etc. Hard enough for people that are tight and used to working with each other. Adding variables raises the risk of friction.
Posted by: TRex at July 14, 2024 08:56 PM (IQ6Gq)
607
Meanwhile, in metric football news, the Copa America final is being held in Miami. Kickoff (yes they call it that in metric football too) was supposed to be 8 pm.
There has been...trouble...outside the stadium and the game is postponed. Latest announcement for kickoff is 915.
Trouble is, er, rowdy fans.
There has been...trouble...outside the stadium and the game is postponed. Latest announcement for kickoff is 915.
Trouble is, er, rowdy fans.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:57 PM (IFNME)
608
Trump had a New York carry permit in NYC where you can't get one unless you're on the "inside". Funny how New York's attitude changed about him
Oh, the Animal Farm licensing policy.
Oh, the Animal Farm licensing policy.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 08:57 PM (rHxhM)
609
590 I have wondered all day what sort of conversation we would be having if Trump had been shot dead.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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Guy will be at risk for the rest of his life, and mebbe his family from 'lone wolfs', foreign killer dweebs (Iran for example), etc. What is done is done, what is to be done is to prevent a repeat.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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Guy will be at risk for the rest of his life, and mebbe his family from 'lone wolfs', foreign killer dweebs (Iran for example), etc. What is done is done, what is to be done is to prevent a repeat.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:57 PM (mIs2x)
610
Red dots can make sense on a long arm for short range but so can low tech iron sights as well.
Prefer prismatic fixed magnifier optics like 2.5-3x for CQB rifles.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:47 PM (mIs2x)
Whig, my previous ventures out onto the two way range (Baghdad) were almost all CQB environments (building interiors, room clearing, moving from building to building via alleys and side streets). Had a similar experience in Afghanistan b/c of my assignment (HQ USFOR-A). I think the longest distance I had to concern myself with was about 150 meters or so.
Prefer prismatic fixed magnifier optics like 2.5-3x for CQB rifles.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:47 PM (mIs2x)
Whig, my previous ventures out onto the two way range (Baghdad) were almost all CQB environments (building interiors, room clearing, moving from building to building via alleys and side streets). Had a similar experience in Afghanistan b/c of my assignment (HQ USFOR-A). I think the longest distance I had to concern myself with was about 150 meters or so.
Posted by: Ed L at July 14, 2024 08:57 PM (yRXSd)
611
So, Trump can dodge bullets.
He is the One.
Posted by: G'rump928
Trump is Neo.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM
Woah....
He is the One.
Posted by: G'rump928
Trump is Neo.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 08:40 PM
Woah....
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 08:57 PM (Wnv9h)
612
Didn't we have confirmation earlier that he was armed and with a group of (I assume also armed) antifa friends?
That's not lone.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 08:56 PM (08Sk0)
Hadn't heard but I of course am referring to lone vs "official" help. I agree antifa would almost certainly make the help official
That's not lone.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 08:56 PM (08Sk0)
Hadn't heard but I of course am referring to lone vs "official" help. I agree antifa would almost certainly make the help official
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 08:57 PM (lX8VI)
613
482 Something that husband and I were just talking about, the camera people that went running up to the stage. I live the photos but why were they allowed to do that. Those security people didn't know who they were and didn't know if they had cameras, guns or bombs. That is so incredibly stupid to allow that.
Posted by: Megthered at July 14, 2024 08:28 PM (W1XW9)
one of those cameramen was Evan Vucci, who ended up at that moment taking what may turn out to be the most iconic and influential photograph in American political history. There's a fascinating threat about how it was taken and how perfectly composed it is here:
https://tinyurl.com/mt4yk9y3
Posted by: Megthered at July 14, 2024 08:28 PM (W1XW9)
one of those cameramen was Evan Vucci, who ended up at that moment taking what may turn out to be the most iconic and influential photograph in American political history. There's a fascinating threat about how it was taken and how perfectly composed it is here:
https://tinyurl.com/mt4yk9y3
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 08:58 PM (S6gqv)
614
As long as the snap caps are of a decent make like Lyman's Snap Caps (dunno about Carlson's plastic body brass head ones), they should be fine to practice.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:13 PM (mIs2x)
OK. It had me worried. (They are A-Zooms.)
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:13 PM (mIs2x)
OK. It had me worried. (They are A-Zooms.)
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 08:58 PM (AWrpC)
615
“ Featured in the Gun Thread a couple of years back.
Posted by: Ed L at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (yRXSd)”
Tell ya what. My m110 in original configuration runs a close second. Especially if some distance is involve and even with that shitty Mk4 scope.
Posted by: Ed L at July 14, 2024 08:51 PM (yRXSd)”
Tell ya what. My m110 in original configuration runs a close second. Especially if some distance is involve and even with that shitty Mk4 scope.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:58 PM (CJqj6)
616
Trump surviving this while only getting an ear nicked reminds me of stories I've heard that on more than one occasion George Washington had bullet holes through his coat that didn't even scratch his skin. I don't know if it's dumb luck or divine intervention, but I am leaning toward the latter (which is a lot better than having a ladder lean toward you.)
Posted by: tankdemon at July 14, 2024 08:58 PM (VSht7)
617
Seeing chatter on Twitter that Secret Service personnel were stretched. DJT's schedule has been busy and Jill Biden was also in Pittsburgh. Dunno if that means they had fewer staff than usual, pulled staff from groups that weren't as used to being on the front line, relied more on local police, etc.
Yeah, right. Campaign Season for the Presidential Sweepstakes is always a "slow" time for SS, great to just go ahead and schedule those lengthy overseas vacations.
Yeah, right. Campaign Season for the Presidential Sweepstakes is always a "slow" time for SS, great to just go ahead and schedule those lengthy overseas vacations.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 08:58 PM (rHxhM)
618
I think it's a deafening testament to the MAGA movement's commitment to constitutional order that it isn't un-pretty right now so as it is.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:56 PM (BAEGB
Yup. Yup yup.
I think it's a deafening testament to the MAGA movement's commitment to constitutional order that it isn't un-pretty right now so as it is.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 08:56 PM (BAEGB
Yup. Yup yup.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:59 PM (7+K68)
619
590 I have wondered all day what sort of conversation we would be having if Trump had been shot dead.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 14, 2024 08:53 PM (XeU6L)
Yeah...
I don't want to have that conversation ever. I thank the Lord we don't have to. And that's it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 14, 2024 08:53 PM (XeU6L)
Yeah...
I don't want to have that conversation ever. I thank the Lord we don't have to. And that's it.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 08:59 PM (ee6uy)
620
Not really comparable to screwing around pretending its daytime with just dim light.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure'
I've also mentioned here before I routinely walk to my office in the middle of the night (23:00-03:00 or so), and go shooting in the middle of the night (my range is open 24 hours), so almost all my practice (and my reality, in fact) is done in either very dim light or actual dark. I'm sure my club would not be too thrilled at my using the indoor range with almost all the lights turned off but I've yet to meet another member there at 2 in the morning, so...
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure'
I've also mentioned here before I routinely walk to my office in the middle of the night (23:00-03:00 or so), and go shooting in the middle of the night (my range is open 24 hours), so almost all my practice (and my reality, in fact) is done in either very dim light or actual dark. I'm sure my club would not be too thrilled at my using the indoor range with almost all the lights turned off but I've yet to meet another member there at 2 in the morning, so...
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 08:59 PM (bFId9)
621
With the mass of people behind Trump one would expect every round to hit somebody. So, with the guy who was killed that makes three shots before LEO lit him up.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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I thought the shooter fired three times. If that is so, then the bullet that hit Trump also hit one of the audience.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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I thought the shooter fired three times. If that is so, then the bullet that hit Trump also hit one of the audience.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 14, 2024 08:59 PM (y/M9h)
622
607 Trouble is, er, rowdy fans.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:57 PM (IFNME)
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I've heard Columbia fans can be especially energetic!
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 08:57 PM (IFNME)
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I've heard Columbia fans can be especially energetic!
Posted by: TRex at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (IQ6Gq)
623
thread not threat of course
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (S6gqv)
624
Not a binary trigger to my ear, just semi auto rapid.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (bgJ0E)
It was the very clear double-shot sound that made me think binary. There didn't seem to be any 2, then 3, then 1 - all 2-2-2. But it's not something I'm standing on as absolute.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 14, 2024 08:18 PM (bgJ0E)
It was the very clear double-shot sound that made me think binary. There didn't seem to be any 2, then 3, then 1 - all 2-2-2. But it's not something I'm standing on as absolute.
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (AWrpC)
625
One of the bullets hit the hydraulic line of a tractor.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (7+K68)
626
Ooh, il n'y a pas de pain, laissez-les manger du gâteau
Il n'y a pas de fin à ce qu'ils prendront
Afficher les fruits de la noble naissance
Laver le sel dans la terre
Mais ils marchent pour le jour de la Bastille
La guillotine réclamera son prix sanglant
Libérez les donjons des innocents
Eh bien, le roi doit s'agenouiller pour laisser son royaume s'élever
Il n'y a pas de fin à ce qu'ils prendront
Afficher les fruits de la noble naissance
Laver le sel dans la terre
Mais ils marchent pour le jour de la Bastille
La guillotine réclamera son prix sanglant
Libérez les donjons des innocents
Eh bien, le roi doit s'agenouiller pour laisser son royaume s'élever
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (8sMut)
627
Remember how everyone says that we need a strongman to right things and that DJT just wasn’t that guy?
Things may have changed.
Things may have changed.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (dBuZF)
628
590 I have wondered all day what sort of conversation we would be having if Trump had been shot dead.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 14, 2024 08:53 PM (XeU6L
Probably not much from my end, I assume I'd blow my top and post some bannable shit then get banned.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 14, 2024 08:53 PM (XeU6L
Probably not much from my end, I assume I'd blow my top and post some bannable shit then get banned.
Posted by: gKWVE at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (gKWVE)
629
"I have wondered all day what sort of conversation we would be having if Trump had been shot dead.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc."
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Hi Mike. (Waves across valley to Mike)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc."
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Hi Mike. (Waves across valley to Mike)
Posted by: Gru at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (fv27Y)
630
hahaha
"The FBI said it believes Crooks, who had bomb-making materials in the car he drove to the rally, acted alone. Investigators have found no threatening comments on social media accounts or ideological positions that could help explain what led him to target Trump"
https://tinyurl.com/25euuggl
He was a 20 year old that was politically active enough that he made campaign donations to Biden, but he had no online positions in social media.
"The FBI said it believes Crooks, who had bomb-making materials in the car he drove to the rally, acted alone. Investigators have found no threatening comments on social media accounts or ideological positions that could help explain what led him to target Trump"
https://tinyurl.com/25euuggl
He was a 20 year old that was politically active enough that he made campaign donations to Biden, but he had no online positions in social media.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (08Sk0)
631
One of the bullets hit the hydraulic line of a tractor.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (7+K6
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Oh the humanity!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (7+K6
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Oh the humanity!
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (JwHpX)
632
ahem -
I hear lotsa folks saying, "It's all over now. The Dems are toast."
NEVER assume those evil bastages won't be able to drag a rotting corpse or diversity hire over the finish line.
I hear lotsa folks saying, "It's all over now. The Dems are toast."
NEVER assume those evil bastages won't be able to drag a rotting corpse or diversity hire over the finish line.
Posted by: LeastinID at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (VFhIz)
633
I was anxiously awaiting The New Republic's take on the assassination attempt, since they are major shareholders in it. Oof. awkward.
Well here it is:
https://tinyurl.com/3a3v5637
The money quote: "As I write these words, we don’t know what motivated 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks to try to assassinate Trump."
Allow me to help you out, you miserable piece of shit:
https://tinyurl.com/mu6chjjr
Well here it is:
https://tinyurl.com/3a3v5637
The money quote: "As I write these words, we don’t know what motivated 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks to try to assassinate Trump."
Allow me to help you out, you miserable piece of shit:
https://tinyurl.com/mu6chjjr
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (jdHxK)
634
From the direction of Chappaqua, a faint, but growing, cackling sound can be heard on the evening breeze.
Posted by: Count de Monet
Picture of startled Hillary.
Caption: "What do you mean he MISSED???"
Posted by: Count de Monet
Picture of startled Hillary.
Caption: "What do you mean he MISSED???"
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (NzK/m)
635
Wyatt Earp- the original one, not our commenter- was never so much as grazed by a single bullet
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (/7KEl)
636
This is not a normal election where you want to win and if you don’t, you cooperate and do the best you can for the country and hope to win the next time.This [Trump] is something that is undermining our democracy. He must be stopped. He cannot be president!
Again, this is eliminationist rhetoric. They are declaring well over one half of the country illegitimate, by extension. You don't get to participate in society if you have the wrong opinions.
Don't be fooled into thinking that this is about "Trump", they will say this about anybody. I remember being gobsmacked when not a single Democrat said shit when Trump supporters were getting hit over the head with bicycle locks. And then the perpetrator was identified, not by law enforcement in that incident, but by internet sleuths. No charges to speak of.
They have been pulling this shit for a long time, in order to provoke, to cajole. This is where my crystal ball gets cloudy, because we're constantly admonished "Don't react, that's what they want!". It's a hell of a situation, that's for sure.
Again, this is eliminationist rhetoric. They are declaring well over one half of the country illegitimate, by extension. You don't get to participate in society if you have the wrong opinions.
Don't be fooled into thinking that this is about "Trump", they will say this about anybody. I remember being gobsmacked when not a single Democrat said shit when Trump supporters were getting hit over the head with bicycle locks. And then the perpetrator was identified, not by law enforcement in that incident, but by internet sleuths. No charges to speak of.
They have been pulling this shit for a long time, in order to provoke, to cajole. This is where my crystal ball gets cloudy, because we're constantly admonished "Don't react, that's what they want!". It's a hell of a situation, that's for sure.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (5a2xV)
637
Velours taché de sang, dentelle sale
Peru nue sur chaque visage
Voyez-les incliner la tête pour mourir
Comme nous nous inclinions quand ils sont passés
Et ils marchent pour le jour de la Bastille
La guillotine réclamera son prix sanglant
Chantez, ou chœurs de cacophonie
Eh bien, le roi s'est agenouillé pour laisser son royaume s'élever
Peru nue sur chaque visage
Voyez-les incliner la tête pour mourir
Comme nous nous inclinions quand ils sont passés
Et ils marchent pour le jour de la Bastille
La guillotine réclamera son prix sanglant
Chantez, ou chœurs de cacophonie
Eh bien, le roi s'est agenouillé pour laisser son royaume s'élever
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (8sMut)
638
621
I've also mentioned here before I routinely walk to my office in the middle of the night (23:00-03:00 or so), and go shooting in the middle of the night (my range is open 24 hours), so almost all my practice (and my reality, in fact) is done in either very dim light or actual dark. I'm sure my club would not be too thrilled at my using the indoor range with almost all the lights turned off but I've yet to meet another member there at 2 in the morning, so...
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 08:59 PM (bFId9)
Depending on your locale, some ranges do have a "tactical" training group. My club used to, and we often would do drills in low/no light. The instructor/RSO expected us participants to have a flashlight on us, with backup batteries.
I've also mentioned here before I routinely walk to my office in the middle of the night (23:00-03:00 or so), and go shooting in the middle of the night (my range is open 24 hours), so almost all my practice (and my reality, in fact) is done in either very dim light or actual dark. I'm sure my club would not be too thrilled at my using the indoor range with almost all the lights turned off but I've yet to meet another member there at 2 in the morning, so...
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 08:59 PM (bFId9)
Depending on your locale, some ranges do have a "tactical" training group. My club used to, and we often would do drills in low/no light. The instructor/RSO expected us participants to have a flashlight on us, with backup batteries.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - Abandon Brandon at July 14, 2024 09:02 PM (2AW7/)
639
Speaking of which, I think I will get it back tomorrow.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM
Niiiiice.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM
Niiiiice.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 09:02 PM (Wnv9h)
640
If I recall correctly, it was OddBob who generously offered the clips.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 14, 2024 08:30 PM (j96YS)
Ahhh! Yes, THANK YOU, OddBob!
I already sent a thank you email, but I wanted it public. Incredibly gracious of him!
(I am SO bad with names, and he didn't use his nick in the email.)
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 14, 2024 08:30 PM (j96YS)
Ahhh! Yes, THANK YOU, OddBob!
I already sent a thank you email, but I wanted it public. Incredibly gracious of him!
(I am SO bad with names, and he didn't use his nick in the email.)
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 09:02 PM (AWrpC)
641
Off sock...
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 14, 2024 09:02 PM (fv27Y)
642
Seeing chatter on Twitter that Secret Service personnel were stretched. DJT's schedule has been busy and Jill Biden was also in Pittsburgh. Dunno if that means they had fewer staff than usual, pulled staff from groups that weren't as used to being on the front line, relied more on local police, etc.
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This needs to be a campaign ad if true.
Elderly Trump outworks full crew of Secret Service agents.
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This needs to be a campaign ad if true.
Elderly Trump outworks full crew of Secret Service agents.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:02 PM (08Sk0)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:02 PM (LkLld)
644
Leçons enseignées mais jamais apprises
Tout autour de nous, la colère brûle
Guider l'avenir par le passé
Il y a longtemps, le moule a été coulé
Car ils ont marché vers le jour de la Bastille
La guillotine a remporté son prix sanglant
Entendre les échos des siècles
Eh bien, le pouvoir n'est pas tout ce que l'argent achète
- Rush, “Bastille Day”
Tout autour de nous, la colère brûle
Guider l'avenir par le passé
Il y a longtemps, le moule a été coulé
Car ils ont marché vers le jour de la Bastille
La guillotine a remporté son prix sanglant
Entendre les échos des siècles
Eh bien, le pouvoir n'est pas tout ce que l'argent achète
- Rush, “Bastille Day”
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:03 PM (8sMut)
645
He was a 20 year old that was politically active enough that he made campaign donations to Biden, but he had no online positions in social media.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM
Aren't you a tad young to be this cynical?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM
Aren't you a tad young to be this cynical?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 09:03 PM (jDfrA)
646
At a minimum, the SS is incompetent. I leave worse possibilities to your imagination.
We escaped open season on Republicans by an inch.
We escaped open season on Republicans by an inch.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 14, 2024 09:03 PM (bO/DZ)
647
635 Wyatt Earp- the original one, not our commenter- was never so much as grazed by a single bullet
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (/7KEl)
What about married bullets?
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (/7KEl)
What about married bullets?
Posted by: tankdemon at July 14, 2024 09:03 PM (VSht7)
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 09:03 PM (/7KEl)
649
>>well thankfully, he was not good at it
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Are you kidding? The bullet that hit Trump's ear was an exceptional shot. Trump was moving at the time the trigger was pulled or else he would be dead.
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Are you kidding? The bullet that hit Trump's ear was an exceptional shot. Trump was moving at the time the trigger was pulled or else he would be dead.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 14, 2024 09:03 PM (OCc3z)
650
Meanwhile, in metric football news, the Copa America final is being held in Miami.
Isn't this a CONMEBOL tournament? I thought we had the Gold Cup up here.
I hope Argentina isn't counting on The Hand of God again, because he's been a little busy lately.
Isn't this a CONMEBOL tournament? I thought we had the Gold Cup up here.
I hope Argentina isn't counting on The Hand of God again, because he's been a little busy lately.
Posted by: t-bird at July 14, 2024 09:03 PM (D5SRX)
651
631 One of the bullets hit the hydraulic line of a tractor.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (7+K6
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Oh the humanity!
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (JwHpX)
Someone was counting bullets up thread. Must helping out.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (7+K6
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Oh the humanity!
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (JwHpX)
Someone was counting bullets up thread. Must helping out.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (7+K68)
652
Pity of course wouldn’t let me post the whole thing together because it “looks like spam” but I could break up the verses and THEN post it. So Pixy is stupid.
No range time yet.
No range time yet.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (8sMut)
653
ahem -
I hear lotsa folks saying, "It's all over now. The Dems are toast."
NEVER assume those evil bastages won't be able to drag a rotting corpse or diversity hire over the finish line.
Posted by: LeastinID at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (VFhIz)
Nor misunderestimate the GOPe's finely-honed instincts to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I hear lotsa folks saying, "It's all over now. The Dems are toast."
NEVER assume those evil bastages won't be able to drag a rotting corpse or diversity hire over the finish line.
Posted by: LeastinID at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (VFhIz)
Nor misunderestimate the GOPe's finely-honed instincts to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (Aqu9a)
654
I just saw where the FBI is pursuing the assassination attempt as "domestic terrorism"
What advantage does this give them for attacking Trump?
Posted by: Mister Scott
This means they'll say pretend the "root cause" is "radicalization." That is "right wing radicalization" and "right wing media" and "Talk Radio Hate Speech," etc.
I just saw where the FBI is pursuing the assassination attempt as "domestic terrorism"
What advantage does this give them for attacking Trump?
Posted by: Mister Scott
This means they'll say pretend the "root cause" is "radicalization." That is "right wing radicalization" and "right wing media" and "Talk Radio Hate Speech," etc.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (CLy3K)
655
One of the bullets hit the hydraulic line of a tractor.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
That hydraulic line should fetch $10k at auction.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
That hydraulic line should fetch $10k at auction.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (NzK/m)
656
If Trump is prohibited from possessing 'firearms' then it matters where his legal residence is. For legal purposes muzzle-loaders are not 'firearms'. If his residence is not the Marxist State of NY, then my recommendation for carry is two Colt's .44 Dragoons.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (bFId9)
657
Well so the USSS boss is Mary Cheatle. There's the first problem. I bet she's a DIE hire and also got promoted by AA. I wager that she wasn't really the best candidate for the job.
Posted by: Ciampino - Sun Update #14 at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (qfLjt)
658
Watch this. This is fucked up.
https://tinyurl.com/muwzs858
Posted by: JackStraw
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Dang. At 40 seconds you can hear a man yell "OFFICER!" to inform law enforcement.
It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
https://tinyurl.com/muwzs858
Posted by: JackStraw
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Dang. At 40 seconds you can hear a man yell "OFFICER!" to inform law enforcement.
It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (08Sk0)
659
Funny how a supposedly quiet 20 year old White Guy in the US, has NO SOCIAL MEDIA at all?
I find that hard to believe in this day and age.
I find that hard to believe in this day and age.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 14, 2024 09:05 PM (xaFKb)
660
650 Meanwhile, in metric football news, the Copa America final is being held in Miami.
Isn't this a CONMEBOL tournament? I thought we had the Gold Cup up here.
I hope Argentina isn't counting on The Hand of God again, because he's been a little busy lately.
Posted by: t-bird at July 14, 2024 09:03 PM (D5SRX)
Following soccer is un-American,
Isn't this a CONMEBOL tournament? I thought we had the Gold Cup up here.
I hope Argentina isn't counting on The Hand of God again, because he's been a little busy lately.
Posted by: t-bird at July 14, 2024 09:03 PM (D5SRX)
Following soccer is un-American,
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:05 PM (8sMut)
661
But...can we trust it?
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 07:37 PM (W/lyH)
H*** no! That's why the Constitution was written.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 07:37 PM (W/lyH)
H*** no! That's why the Constitution was written.
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 09:05 PM (AWrpC)
662
Whig, my previous ventures out onto the two way range (Baghdad) were almost all CQB environments (building interiors, room clearing, moving from building to building via alleys and side streets). Had a similar experience in Afghanistan b/c of my assignment (HQ USFOR-A). I think the longest distance I had to concern myself with was about 150 meters or so.
Posted by: Ed L
Aimpoints are fine instruments. But, using magnifiers with red dots is clunky and needless nowadays. Red dots (now green for a lot of people) work great for quick acquisition and bad breath level shooting.
Low magnification prismatics (lots of ACOG clones out there now) allow a bit more precision plus have better than a simple dot (chevrons, horseshoes, etc. for the center of focus). A 2 or 2.5 magnifier is not enough to cost much field of view but can help notice details a bit better for something like a 5.56. For a 7.62 AR10--a 2.5 to 3 magnifier makes sense.
But then again, I learned on iron sights for rifles and beads for shotguns so what do I know.
I don't do well with high powered scopes as I can lose what I looking for in the scope. So got used to 4x fixed scopes for the most part.
Posted by: Ed L
Aimpoints are fine instruments. But, using magnifiers with red dots is clunky and needless nowadays. Red dots (now green for a lot of people) work great for quick acquisition and bad breath level shooting.
Low magnification prismatics (lots of ACOG clones out there now) allow a bit more precision plus have better than a simple dot (chevrons, horseshoes, etc. for the center of focus). A 2 or 2.5 magnifier is not enough to cost much field of view but can help notice details a bit better for something like a 5.56. For a 7.62 AR10--a 2.5 to 3 magnifier makes sense.
But then again, I learned on iron sights for rifles and beads for shotguns so what do I know.
I don't do well with high powered scopes as I can lose what I looking for in the scope. So got used to 4x fixed scopes for the most part.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:05 PM (mIs2x)
663
ahem -
I hear lotsa folks saying, "It's all over now. The Dems are toast."
NEVER assume those evil bastages won't be able to drag a rotting corpse or diversity hire over the finish line.
Posted by: LeastinID at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (VFhIz)
Nor misunderestimate the GOPe's finely-honed instincts to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Posted by: Count de Monet
Reality raises it's ugly head...
I hear lotsa folks saying, "It's all over now. The Dems are toast."
NEVER assume those evil bastages won't be able to drag a rotting corpse or diversity hire over the finish line.
Posted by: LeastinID at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (VFhIz)
Nor misunderestimate the GOPe's finely-honed instincts to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Posted by: Count de Monet
Reality raises it's ugly head...
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 09:05 PM (elaR+)
664
Rat shot thru a ported barrel...yea or nay?...Supposedly there's a warning on the box, but I can't read it...with a magnifying glass.
Posted by: BignJames at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (AwYPR)
665
Prefer prismatic fixed magnifier optics like 2.5-3x for CQB rifles.
On my primary CQB gun, run EOTech with a flip 4x magnifier. Adds weight but I can go from 4x -0 with a flip of a button or 0 -4x with a flip of a wrist. (snap rotate the weapon)
On my primary CQB gun, run EOTech with a flip 4x magnifier. Adds weight but I can go from 4x -0 with a flip of a button or 0 -4x with a flip of a wrist. (snap rotate the weapon)
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (rHxhM)
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (JwHpX)
667
Wow, Bill Barr struggled for almost a minute when asked by Jesse Watters if he trusted this FBI, he finally stuttered out that they should be allowed to carry out their investigation and then have the Congress check their work.
Posted by: Decaf at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (unUNN)
Yeah, I picked up that, too. Real profile in courage there, Billy.
Posted by: Decaf at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (unUNN)
Yeah, I picked up that, too. Real profile in courage there, Billy.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (pJWtt)
668
Tell ya what. My m110 in original configuration runs a close second. Especially if some distance is involve and even with that shitty Mk4 scope.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:58 PM (CJqj6)
That's a nice rifle. Since the originals are unobtainium, I'll have to settle for a clone of the M110A1 built on the H&K MR762 as a base if I get one.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:58 PM (CJqj6)
That's a nice rifle. Since the originals are unobtainium, I'll have to settle for a clone of the M110A1 built on the H&K MR762 as a base if I get one.
Posted by: Ed L at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (yRXSd)
669
Not the way to bet, but possible.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:52 PM (mIs2x)
It's like sitcom level coincidence. Lucy or Phoebe or Raymond just happen to win a contest, or be caught on camera at a ballgame, when he's supposed to be at work, or has a nearly perfect twin who robs a bank, or any number of other sitcom shenanigans.
Could it happen? Sure. Sure it could, but how likely is it to happen when the guy is trying to kill the next President of the United States?
About as likely as me winning a date with Sydney Sweeney in a Win a Date With Sydney Sweeney context.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 08:52 PM (mIs2x)
It's like sitcom level coincidence. Lucy or Phoebe or Raymond just happen to win a contest, or be caught on camera at a ballgame, when he's supposed to be at work, or has a nearly perfect twin who robs a bank, or any number of other sitcom shenanigans.
Could it happen? Sure. Sure it could, but how likely is it to happen when the guy is trying to kill the next President of the United States?
About as likely as me winning a date with Sydney Sweeney in a Win a Date With Sydney Sweeney context.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (4nh7V)
670
Dang. At 40 seconds you can hear a man yell "OFFICER!" to inform law enforcement.
It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (08Sk0)
Even if a POLICE sniper saw a guy with a gun, he would have to get permission to shoot him, before the perp fired shots.
We dealt with this in the military all the damn time... we KNEW what was going on, but we had to convince the damn chain of command before we could actually take care of the problem.
It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (08Sk0)
Even if a POLICE sniper saw a guy with a gun, he would have to get permission to shoot him, before the perp fired shots.
We dealt with this in the military all the damn time... we KNEW what was going on, but we had to convince the damn chain of command before we could actually take care of the problem.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (xaFKb)
671
Also how can there be approx 2.5 million gov employees, but we're short on Secret Service people
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (/7KEl)
672
657
correction Kimberley Cheatle.
correction Kimberley Cheatle.
Posted by: Ciampino - Sun Update #15 at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (qfLjt)
673
In a proper timeline, the head of the Secret Service would already be sacked.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (RIvkX)
674
658 Watch this. This is fucked up.
https://tinyurl.com/muwzs858
Posted by: JackStraw
Wow. I'm still most amazed that the SS CS didn't have the ROE to shoot him dead upon acquisition.
How could they miss him?
https://tinyurl.com/muwzs858
Posted by: JackStraw
Wow. I'm still most amazed that the SS CS didn't have the ROE to shoot him dead upon acquisition.
How could they miss him?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (7+K68)
675
Watch this. This is fucked up.
https://tinyurl.com/muwzs858
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:02 PM (LkLld)
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That is fucking ridiculous.
https://tinyurl.com/muwzs858
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:02 PM (LkLld)
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That is fucking ridiculous.
Posted by: Jordan61 at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (16NmB)
676
NEVER assume those evil bastages won't be able to drag a rotting corpse or diversity hire over the finish line.
Posted by: LeastinID at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (VFhIz)
Nor misunderestimate the GOPe's finely-honed instincts to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (Aqu9a)
Looking at Twitter tonight, both Axios and Jake Tapper have given up on the race, and are saying there's no point trying to replace Biden anymore. Bernie Sanders announced his support for Biden as well.
Posted by: LeastinID at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (VFhIz)
Nor misunderestimate the GOPe's finely-honed instincts to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (Aqu9a)
Looking at Twitter tonight, both Axios and Jake Tapper have given up on the race, and are saying there's no point trying to replace Biden anymore. Bernie Sanders announced his support for Biden as well.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (S6gqv)
677
If Trump carried it a Desert Eagle, it would be in .41 Magnum.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (jDfrA)
678
>>It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
They saw a guy with a rifle on the roof of a building within range and did nothing?
They saw a guy with a rifle on the roof of a building within range and did nothing?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (LkLld)
679
Again, this is eliminationist rhetoric. They are declaring well over one half of the country illegitimate, by extension. You don't get to participate in society if you have the wrong opinions.
Exactly our point, this is how we will force American to embrace Statism/Socialism.
Exactly our point, this is how we will force American to embrace Statism/Socialism.
Posted by: Alphabet, Meta et al at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (8sMut)
680
Rat shot thru a ported barrel...yea or nay?...Supposedly there's a warning on the box, but I can't read it...with a magnifying glass.
Posted by: BignJames'
No. The shot can hit the ports and fly out at weird angles including back into your face.
Don't do it.
Posted by: BignJames'
No. The shot can hit the ports and fly out at weird angles including back into your face.
Don't do it.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (bFId9)
681
No worries. I just love my tractor.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (JwHpX)
Haha. Either that or you hate replacing hydraulic lines.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (JwHpX)
Haha. Either that or you hate replacing hydraulic lines.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (7+K68)
682
It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
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Even if a POLICE sniper saw a guy with a gun, he would have to get permission to shoot him, before the perp fired shots.
We dealt with this in the military all the damn time... we KNEW what was going on, but we had to convince the damn chain of command before we could actually take care of the problem.
Posted by: Romeo13
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Yep, that's what I said.
It's either inconceivable incompetence or a purposeful op against Trump and the nation.
-
Even if a POLICE sniper saw a guy with a gun, he would have to get permission to shoot him, before the perp fired shots.
We dealt with this in the military all the damn time... we KNEW what was going on, but we had to convince the damn chain of command before we could actually take care of the problem.
Posted by: Romeo13
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Yep, that's what I said.
It's either inconceivable incompetence or a purposeful op against Trump and the nation.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (08Sk0)
683
625 One of the bullets hit the hydraulic line of a tractor.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (7+K6
A Massey Casualty event.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (7+K6
A Massey Casualty event.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (ee6uy)
684
657 Well so the USSS boss is Mary Cheatle. There's the first problem. I bet she's a DIE hire and also got promoted by AA. I wager that she wasn't really the best candidate for the job.
Posted by: Ciampino - Sun Update #14 at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (qfLjt)
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Her previous gig was head of security at Pepsico. Elon Musk tweeted that the SS Chief appointment was a big step up from guarding Cheetos.
Posted by: Ciampino - Sun Update #14 at July 14, 2024 09:04 PM (qfLjt)
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Her previous gig was head of security at Pepsico. Elon Musk tweeted that the SS Chief appointment was a big step up from guarding Cheetos.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (jdHxK)
685
He was a 20 year old that was politically active enough that he made campaign donations to Biden, but he had no online positions in social media.
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Just saw (on Laura Loomer's Twitter) a news interview with one of Crooks' HS classmates who said the Crooks was a loner and an outcast. Isn't that the kind of person the CIA likes to recruit?
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Just saw (on Laura Loomer's Twitter) a news interview with one of Crooks' HS classmates who said the Crooks was a loner and an outcast. Isn't that the kind of person the CIA likes to recruit?
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 14, 2024 09:09 PM (OCc3z)
686
I just saw where the FBI is pursuing the assassination attempt as "domestic terrorism"
The correct spelling is "Democratic terrorism"
The correct spelling is "Democratic terrorism"
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:09 PM (rHxhM)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:09 PM (08Sk0)
688
If you're a twenty year old right now, you're almost mandated to have some social media presence. They make you set up accounts in school. You *must* be part of the system. How else will the teacher who doesn't even know your actual name or face communicate with you on that loaner chromebook that they're already budgeting on you having stolen by year's end?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:09 PM (BAEGB)
689
Watch this. This is fucked up.
https://tinyurl.com/muwzs858
Posted by: JackStraw
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Dang. At 40 seconds you can hear a man yell "OFFICER!" to inform law enforcement.
It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
I choose major league incompetence because of the way things are now.
The Russiagate and BS charges are one thing, but they are too chivkenshit for murder like this.
Why? Because of the possibility of failure and their abysmal history of being able to keep anything hidden.
Like I said earlier:
Tear up Texas...
Fast and Furious...
Covid...
ATF entrapment...
Etc.
https://tinyurl.com/muwzs858
Posted by: JackStraw
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Dang. At 40 seconds you can hear a man yell "OFFICER!" to inform law enforcement.
It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
I choose major league incompetence because of the way things are now.
The Russiagate and BS charges are one thing, but they are too chivkenshit for murder like this.
Why? Because of the possibility of failure and their abysmal history of being able to keep anything hidden.
Like I said earlier:
Tear up Texas...
Fast and Furious...
Covid...
ATF entrapment...
Etc.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 09:09 PM (elaR+)
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:09 PM (JwHpX)
Posted by: biden at July 14, 2024 09:10 PM (CLy3K)
692
On my primary CQB gun, run EOTech with a flip 4x magnifier. Adds weight but I can go from 4x -0 with a flip of a button or 0 -4x with a flip of a wrist. (snap rotate the weapon)
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
I prefer less is more because spasticity for me is a thing (arthritis, neuropathy, etc.) I have a red dot mounted on a home defense ar for simplicity sake, but the other home self defense shotgun one is a simple night sight front bead with a flashlight.
Iron night sights on pistols.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
I prefer less is more because spasticity for me is a thing (arthritis, neuropathy, etc.) I have a red dot mounted on a home defense ar for simplicity sake, but the other home self defense shotgun one is a simple night sight front bead with a flashlight.
Iron night sights on pistols.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:10 PM (mIs2x)
693
Just saw (on Laura Loomer's Twitter) a news interview with one of Crooks' HS classmates who said the Crooks was a loner and an outcast. Isn't that the kind of person the CIA likes to recruit?
Holy Cow this is Chief Moose level of profiling! Only a genius would have guessed that the perp was a "loner and outcast".
Holy Cow this is Chief Moose level of profiling! Only a genius would have guessed that the perp was a "loner and outcast".
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:10 PM (rHxhM)
694
Oh, please, stop with the beatings, please, stop, it hurts so much.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (RUmyk)
The phrase you're looking for is "Oh no, Mr Brer Fox, don't throw me in the briar patch!"
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 14, 2024 07:41 PM (RUmyk)
The phrase you're looking for is "Oh no, Mr Brer Fox, don't throw me in the briar patch!"
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 09:10 PM (AWrpC)
695
Wow, Bill Barr struggled for almost a minute when asked by Jesse Watters if he trusted this FBI, he finally stuttered out that they should be allowed to carry out their investigation and then have the Congress check their work.
Posted by: Decaf at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (unUNN)
Yeah, I picked up that, too. Real profile in courage there, Billy.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (pJWtt)
Give him a break, he's got spooks in his ear, telling him how to answer a question about the Eff Bee Eye, in the way that best reflects on the CIA.
Posted by: Decaf at July 14, 2024 08:49 PM (unUNN)
Yeah, I picked up that, too. Real profile in courage there, Billy.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (pJWtt)
Give him a break, he's got spooks in his ear, telling him how to answer a question about the Eff Bee Eye, in the way that best reflects on the CIA.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 09:10 PM (4nh7V)
696
Just saw (on Laura Loomer's Twitter) a news interview with one of Crooks' HS classmates who said the Crooks was a loner and an outcast. Isn't that the kind of person the CIA likes to recruit?
Posted by: Lemmiwinks
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I'd bet $100 right now he was on the same Discord server as the Uvalde and other school shooters, and that name (I forget who he was) would be the one grooming him.
I'm also betting he used a Daniel Defense.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks
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I'd bet $100 right now he was on the same Discord server as the Uvalde and other school shooters, and that name (I forget who he was) would be the one grooming him.
I'm also betting he used a Daniel Defense.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:10 PM (08Sk0)
697
678 >>It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
They saw a guy with a rifle on the roof of a building within range and did nothing?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (LkLld)
Bet they were asking for permission... because IF they popped a guy... and it turned out wrong?
We have recently seen multiple Police, tried by Public Opinion, and sent to Jail.
They saw a guy with a rifle on the roof of a building within range and did nothing?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (LkLld)
Bet they were asking for permission... because IF they popped a guy... and it turned out wrong?
We have recently seen multiple Police, tried by Public Opinion, and sent to Jail.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 14, 2024 09:10 PM (xaFKb)
698
>>The Russiagate and BS charges are one thing, but they are too chivkenshit for murder like this.
JFK would disagree.
JFK would disagree.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:11 PM (LkLld)
699
The SS absolutely must have first shot rights, otherwise they are worthless as a security force.
Also
The moment they saw this guy, they'd call a code on the radio and Trump would have been whisked off stage.
If they were doing their job. I don't buy the 'he might be local LEO posting on a roof' bullshit. He was not dressed for the part.
Also
The moment they saw this guy, they'd call a code on the radio and Trump would have been whisked off stage.
If they were doing their job. I don't buy the 'he might be local LEO posting on a roof' bullshit. He was not dressed for the part.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:11 PM (7+K68)
700
Sitting in our hotel room in Nashville across from Vanderbilt University. It is quite a pretty campus.
Posted by: lin-duh who owns one at July 14, 2024 09:11 PM (TLedf)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:11 PM (BAEGB)
702
The moment they saw this guy, they'd call a code on the radio and Trump would have been whisked off stage.
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Very good point.
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Very good point.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:12 PM (08Sk0)
703
671 Also how can there be approx 2.5 million gov employees, but we're short on Secret Service people
Posted by: Don Black
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Would u want to be defended by some of the new 80000 IRS agents just hired? They do have guns I guess and badges.
Posted by: Don Black
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Would u want to be defended by some of the new 80000 IRS agents just hired? They do have guns I guess and badges.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:12 PM (mIs2x)
704
Antifa has upped their game. Social media isn't going to be the tell all anymore
Hamas has gone back to couriers. So have these fuckers
Hamas has gone back to couriers. So have these fuckers
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 09:12 PM (5MvGY)
705
The shooter was a fucked up looking dude. Probably never touched a girl. I assume a lot of built up anger.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 09:12 PM (B1dzx)
706
Just saw (on Laura Loomer's Twitter) a news interview with one of Crooks' HS classmates who said the Crooks was a loner and an outcast. Isn't that the kind of person the CIA likes to recruit?
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Holy Cow this is Chief Moose level of profiling! Only a genius would have guessed that the perp was a "loner and outcast".
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:10 PM (rHxhM)
We're all waiting for the photos of him, wearing lip gloss and a wig. You know it's about 60% certain they exist.
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Holy Cow this is Chief Moose level of profiling! Only a genius would have guessed that the perp was a "loner and outcast".
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:10 PM (rHxhM)
We're all waiting for the photos of him, wearing lip gloss and a wig. You know it's about 60% certain they exist.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 09:12 PM (4nh7V)
707
He was politically active enough to chose to attempt to assassinate a presumptive Presidential nominee.
Posted by: davidt at July 14, 2024 09:12 PM (SYTee)
708
Oh, that dude was absolutely a cross dresser.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:13 PM (08Sk0)
709
Len, that is not factual. Blackpowder firearms are not considered such under federal law. They are considered "dangerous weapons" under every state law afaik. This is a common misconception.
A pair of Colt Navy .36 would do him just fine, I'm sure however, to your point.
A pair of Colt Navy .36 would do him just fine, I'm sure however, to your point.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2024 09:13 PM (5a2xV)
710
Can i just ask, fully recognizing i don't know shit from shit... what is the story with this Daniel Defense? I'm pretty much at ground level on this one.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:13 PM (BAEGB)
711
Imagine my team of idiots thinking it a good idea for me to get on TV again and actually say the American people have a choice to make, reminding the people that I'm still the guy on the ticket asking for another 4 years?
Think about it.
I'm serious!
Diverrsy is our strent.
Imagine my team of idiots thinking it a good idea for me to get on TV again and actually say the American people have a choice to make, reminding the people that I'm still the guy on the ticket asking for another 4 years?
Think about it.
I'm serious!
Diverrsy is our strent.
Posted by: biden at July 14, 2024 09:13 PM (CLy3K)
712
The Lee Harvey Oswald kill shot was 189 feet
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2024 09:13 PM (GITLP)
713
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:05 PM (mIs2x)
Whig, I had just the Aimpoint Comp M4S alone on my rifle. I decided against a magnifier because I hadn't figured out how to use a magnified optic (ACOG) in CQB conditions. But it was a real bear trying to qualify w/ that Aimpoint at the 200, 250, and 300 meter targets. I couldn't quite figure out the arc of the 5.56mm rounds and just couldn't hit the distance targets. It took me three tries to make qualification w/ the rifle (barely).
Whig, I had just the Aimpoint Comp M4S alone on my rifle. I decided against a magnifier because I hadn't figured out how to use a magnified optic (ACOG) in CQB conditions. But it was a real bear trying to qualify w/ that Aimpoint at the 200, 250, and 300 meter targets. I couldn't quite figure out the arc of the 5.56mm rounds and just couldn't hit the distance targets. It took me three tries to make qualification w/ the rifle (barely).
Posted by: Ed L at July 14, 2024 09:13 PM (yRXSd)
714
Bet they were asking for permission... because IF they popped a guy... and it turned out wrong?
We have recently seen multiple Police, tried by Public Opinion, and sent to Jail.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 14, 2024 09:10 PM (xaFKb)
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Fine, don't shoot. But get Trump the hell off the stage while you figure it out. It is only by the grace of God that he is still alive.
We have recently seen multiple Police, tried by Public Opinion, and sent to Jail.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 14, 2024 09:10 PM (xaFKb)
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Fine, don't shoot. But get Trump the hell off the stage while you figure it out. It is only by the grace of God that he is still alive.
Posted by: Jordan61 at July 14, 2024 09:13 PM (16NmB)
715
705 The shooter was a fucked up looking dude. Probably never touched a girl. I assume a lot of built up anger.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 09:12 PM (B1dzx)
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Rick Wilson?
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 09:12 PM (B1dzx)
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Rick Wilson?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 09:13 PM (jdHxK)
716
Yep, that's what I said.
It's either inconceivable incompetence or a purposeful op against Trump and the nation.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (08Sk0)
No worries... what I am postulating is not inconceivable incompetence... just the really normal type when we put Lawyers in charge of what shooters can do.
It's either inconceivable incompetence or a purposeful op against Trump and the nation.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (08Sk0)
No worries... what I am postulating is not inconceivable incompetence... just the really normal type when we put Lawyers in charge of what shooters can do.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 14, 2024 09:13 PM (xaFKb)
717
Iron night sights on pistols.
I'm with you on the iron sights, I standardized on the Trijicon that has the fibers and Tritium for both day and night.
Iron sights doesn't need anywhere near the same repetitive practice as dot sights for the pistol. I know that is anathema to many in the gun thread not to regularly do Draw & Aim drills every day, but it does tend to spook the guests and family members when I'm sitting around and spontaneously decide to do repetitive drills.
I'm with you on the iron sights, I standardized on the Trijicon that has the fibers and Tritium for both day and night.
Iron sights doesn't need anywhere near the same repetitive practice as dot sights for the pistol. I know that is anathema to many in the gun thread not to regularly do Draw & Aim drills every day, but it does tend to spook the guests and family members when I'm sitting around and spontaneously decide to do repetitive drills.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:14 PM (rHxhM)
718
>>Bet they were asking for permission... because IF they popped a guy... and it turned out wrong?
They didn't do anything. Not even tap the guy on the shoulder and ask him what the fuck he was doing. Not even a ticket. They didn't do shit.
There are a range of things they could have done short of shooting him. They chose nothing.
They didn't do anything. Not even tap the guy on the shoulder and ask him what the fuck he was doing. Not even a ticket. They didn't do shit.
There are a range of things they could have done short of shooting him. They chose nothing.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:14 PM (LkLld)
719
The Hoggster has weighed in:
"If you keep talking about the assassination attempt don’t you dare tell the kids who survive school shootings and their families to “just get over it”
What happened today is unacceptable and what happens every day to kids who aren’t the president and don’t survive isn’t either."
"If you keep talking about the assassination attempt don’t you dare tell the kids who survive school shootings and their families to “just get over it”
What happened today is unacceptable and what happens every day to kids who aren’t the president and don’t survive isn’t either."
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 09:14 PM (jDfrA)
720
Also how can there be approx 2.5 million gov employees, but we're short on Secret Service people
Posted by: Don Black
Because there are only so many SS agents.
Come election time they will train agents from other departments, but those agents usually don't get up close and personal with the President.
They tend to do more perimeter type duty.
I know because my father was one those federal agency guys who got the training.
Posted by: Don Black
Because there are only so many SS agents.
Come election time they will train agents from other departments, but those agents usually don't get up close and personal with the President.
They tend to do more perimeter type duty.
I know because my father was one those federal agency guys who got the training.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 09:14 PM (elaR+)
721
Her previous gig was head of security at Pepsico. Elon Musk tweeted that the SS Chief appointment was a big step up from guarding Cheetos.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (jdHxK)
Before PepsiCo, she was assistant director of Secret Service over protection, and was on VP protection detail for Chemey and Biden before that.
Though, IIRC, weren't there stories about Biden upsetting the women on his SS detail because he liked to go swimming naked? Maybe the position was a way to keep her quiet about other knowledge he wanted to keep from the public.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (jdHxK)
Before PepsiCo, she was assistant director of Secret Service over protection, and was on VP protection detail for Chemey and Biden before that.
Though, IIRC, weren't there stories about Biden upsetting the women on his SS detail because he liked to go swimming naked? Maybe the position was a way to keep her quiet about other knowledge he wanted to keep from the public.
Posted by: tankdemon at July 14, 2024 09:14 PM (VSht7)
722
Tell ya what. My m110 in original configuration runs a close second. Especially if some distance is involve and even with that shitty Mk4 scope.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:58 PM (CJqj6)
Heh.
The last M110 I fired was an 8inch howitzer.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 08:58 PM (CJqj6)
Heh.
The last M110 I fired was an 8inch howitzer.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 09:14 PM (W/lyH)
723
I’m not going to just beat up on the cops, just because, but this must be understood.
When it comes to investigation, cops are underrated. Especially if you can remove politics from the equation.
Cops are just about worthless when it comes to protecting people. You see it here. They have to get lucky all the time. Psycho has to get lucky ONCE. (h/t, IRA). Which is why you travel armed. By the way: how many times do you hear about a cop intervening in a crime in progress? It’s pretty damn rare. “To Serve And Protect” Is a really nice slogan to paint to the side of cars and to occasionally chirp for them to make a selling point, but in reality it rings hollow. The cops nailed what happened yesterday, but it’s cold comfort to the victims of the shooting, and what would have been the result if the bullet was a little further over makes me shudder.
Which is why you have to have a very heavily armed population that carries early and often.
When it comes to investigation, cops are underrated. Especially if you can remove politics from the equation.
Cops are just about worthless when it comes to protecting people. You see it here. They have to get lucky all the time. Psycho has to get lucky ONCE. (h/t, IRA). Which is why you travel armed. By the way: how many times do you hear about a cop intervening in a crime in progress? It’s pretty damn rare. “To Serve And Protect” Is a really nice slogan to paint to the side of cars and to occasionally chirp for them to make a selling point, but in reality it rings hollow. The cops nailed what happened yesterday, but it’s cold comfort to the victims of the shooting, and what would have been the result if the bullet was a little further over makes me shudder.
Which is why you have to have a very heavily armed population that carries early and often.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:14 PM (8sMut)
724
“ That's a nice rifle. Since the originals are unobtainium, I'll have to settle for a clone of the M110A1 built on the H&K MR762 as a base if I get one.
Posted by: Ed L at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (yRXSd)”
I’ve seen a few A1’s built off the MR762 and they are pretty nice rifles. There are also some extraordinary clones built off the old KAC receiver sets they sold years ago. Trey was saying some of them are as close to original as you can get without the m110 stamp. But the prices are ridiculous. I think there’s one with an m110 marked receiver on Gunbroke for almost $10k.
Posted by: Ed L at July 14, 2024 09:06 PM (yRXSd)”
I’ve seen a few A1’s built off the MR762 and they are pretty nice rifles. There are also some extraordinary clones built off the old KAC receiver sets they sold years ago. Trey was saying some of them are as close to original as you can get without the m110 stamp. But the prices are ridiculous. I think there’s one with an m110 marked receiver on Gunbroke for almost $10k.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 09:14 PM (CJqj6)
725
President Joe Biden delivered a gaffe-filled address to the nation from the Oval Office on Sunday evening, telling Americans at one point to settle political differences at the “battle box” when he meant the “ballot box.”
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2024 09:15 PM (GITLP)
726
They saw a guy with a rifle on the roof of a building within range and did nothing?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (LkLld)
Cory Mills, R Fla. this morning on Fox went there. He said he wants to know if this is incompetence or an inside job.
He was on an advance team for Biden when he was VP and for Condoleeza Rice on a foreign trip.
Mills went full throttle onto what the advance team should have done, what it should have recognized as potential threats, and he was outraged at how this was missed.
Mills bio. https://mills.house.gov/about
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (LkLld)
Cory Mills, R Fla. this morning on Fox went there. He said he wants to know if this is incompetence or an inside job.
He was on an advance team for Biden when he was VP and for Condoleeza Rice on a foreign trip.
Mills went full throttle onto what the advance team should have done, what it should have recognized as potential threats, and he was outraged at how this was missed.
Mills bio. https://mills.house.gov/about
Posted by: jen the original at July 14, 2024 09:15 PM (oe5jS)
727
Fine, don't shoot. But get Trump the hell off the stage while you figure it out. It is only by the grace of God that he is still alive.
Posted by: Jordan61 at July 14, 2024 09:13 PM (16NmB)
Was the sniper who took out the perp, Secret Service? or Po Po...
Because if he was Police SWAT, they would probably not even be on the same communications system.
I've seen more Ops go South due to basic friction, than any malevolent intent.
Posted by: Jordan61 at July 14, 2024 09:13 PM (16NmB)
Was the sniper who took out the perp, Secret Service? or Po Po...
Because if he was Police SWAT, they would probably not even be on the same communications system.
I've seen more Ops go South due to basic friction, than any malevolent intent.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 14, 2024 09:15 PM (xaFKb)
728
710 Can i just ask, fully recognizing i don't know shit from shit... what is the story with this Daniel Defense? I'm pretty much at ground level on this one.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
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Daniel Defense is one of the better makes of AR rifles and pretty expensive (2k plus) for fully configured rifle. The Uvalde school murderer bought a brand new one with an expensive options package to do his dirty work.
That being said, Daniel Defense became known as the contractors' and operators' choice in places like Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
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Daniel Defense is one of the better makes of AR rifles and pretty expensive (2k plus) for fully configured rifle. The Uvalde school murderer bought a brand new one with an expensive options package to do his dirty work.
That being said, Daniel Defense became known as the contractors' and operators' choice in places like Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:15 PM (mIs2x)
729
"What happened today is unacceptable and what happens every day to kids who aren't the president and don't survive isn't either."
Posted by: Duncanthrax
Harvard "graduate," you guys.
"What happened today is unacceptable and what happens every day to kids who aren't the president and don't survive isn't either."
Posted by: Duncanthrax
Harvard "graduate," you guys.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (CLy3K)
730
“ Heh.
The last M110 I fired was an 8inch howitzer.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 09:14 PM (W/lyH)”
How did they let the S2 fire a howitzer and why didn’t anybody tell me. lol.
The last M110 I fired was an 8inch howitzer.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 09:14 PM (W/lyH)”
How did they let the S2 fire a howitzer and why didn’t anybody tell me. lol.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (CJqj6)
731
Is this a Gub Thread record?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (7+K68)
732
643 Watch this. This is fucked up.
https://tinyurl.com/muwzs858
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It looks like those people were watching from outside the fence. I'm surprised they didn't throw beer cans at the guy.
https://tinyurl.com/muwzs858
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It looks like those people were watching from outside the fence. I'm surprised they didn't throw beer cans at the guy.
Posted by: Cosda at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (ux7/e)
733
Can i just ask, fully recognizing i don't know shit from shit... what is the story with this Daniel Defense? I'm pretty much at ground level on this one.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
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$400 ARs exist, but the $1500 ARs keep showing up in crazy unemployed/poor leftist mass shooters' hands. To the point where it's predictable.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
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$400 ARs exist, but the $1500 ARs keep showing up in crazy unemployed/poor leftist mass shooters' hands. To the point where it's predictable.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (08Sk0)
734
I hear lotsa folks saying, "It's all over now. The Dems are toast."
***********
Erase that thought from your brain. These lefties never give up, they are always coming up with the next plan. Buckle up, the next 3.5months are gonna be mighty intense.
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Erase that thought from your brain. These lefties never give up, they are always coming up with the next plan. Buckle up, the next 3.5months are gonna be mighty intense.
Posted by: Grateful at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (IQ6Gq)
735
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, from the look of things.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 07:50 PM (hmKaK)
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First thing I thought of, as soon as I saw his school pics.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 07:50 PM (hmKaK)
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First thing I thought of, as soon as I saw his school pics.
Posted by: Jordan61 at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (16NmB)
736
I'm going to beat up on the law enforcement, You had one fucking job and you failed
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (5MvGY)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:17 PM (7+K68)
738
I think Hogg is raimondo.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 09:17 PM (jdHxK)
739
What happened today is unacceptable and what happens every day to kids who aren’t the president and don’t survive isn’t either."
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 09:14 PM (jDfrA)
Now do Israeli music fans and republican softball aficionados.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 09:14 PM (jDfrA)
Now do Israeli music fans and republican softball aficionados.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:17 PM (BAEGB)
740
"What happened today is unacceptable and what happens every day to kids who aren’t the president and don’t survive isn’t either"
Lord, arent we teaching english anymore
Lord, arent we teaching english anymore
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 09:17 PM (lX8VI)
741
Wait, so the same Feds who have no problem conducting no-knock raids and shooting anyone in the house has a wait-and-see policy towards people perched with firearms aimed directly at the president?
Come on, man!
Wait, so the same Feds who have no problem conducting no-knock raids and shooting anyone in the house has a wait-and-see policy towards people perched with firearms aimed directly at the president?
Come on, man!
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (CLy3K)
742
735 Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, from the look of things.
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 07:50 PM (hmKaK)
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First thing I thought of, as soon as I saw his school pics.
Posted by: Jordan61 at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (16NmB)
Face like a soap dish?
Posted by: Splunge at July 14, 2024 07:50 PM (hmKaK)
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First thing I thought of, as soon as I saw his school pics.
Posted by: Jordan61 at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (16NmB)
Face like a soap dish?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (BAEGB)
743
693 Just saw (on Laura Loomer's Twitter) a news interview with one of Crooks' HS classmates who said the Crooks was a loner and an outcast. Isn't that the kind of person the CIA likes to recruit?
Holy Cow this is Chief Moose level of profiling! Only a genius would have guessed that the perp was a "loner and outcast".
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:10 PM (rHxhM)
I was too in HS yet for some reason I never went around killing people.
Holy Cow this is Chief Moose level of profiling! Only a genius would have guessed that the perp was a "loner and outcast".
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:10 PM (rHxhM)
I was too in HS yet for some reason I never went around killing people.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (8sMut)
744
I'm with you on the iron sights, I standardized on the Trijicon that has the fibers and Tritium for both day and night.
Iron sights doesn't need anywhere near the same repetitive practice as dot sights for the pistol. I know that is anathema to many in the gun thread not to regularly do Draw & Aim drills every day, but it does tend to spook the guests and family members when I'm sitting around and spontaneously decide to do repetitive drills.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
It would only bother my wife and neighbors if I negligently put one thru the TV and into the neighbor's house.
I am so blessed to have an understanding wife.
Iron sights doesn't need anywhere near the same repetitive practice as dot sights for the pistol. I know that is anathema to many in the gun thread not to regularly do Draw & Aim drills every day, but it does tend to spook the guests and family members when I'm sitting around and spontaneously decide to do repetitive drills.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
It would only bother my wife and neighbors if I negligently put one thru the TV and into the neighbor's house.
I am so blessed to have an understanding wife.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (elaR+)
745
Lord, arent we teaching english anymore
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 09:17 PM (lX8VI
Actually, they aren't. It's racist.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 09:17 PM (lX8VI
Actually, they aren't. It's racist.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (7+K68)
746
87% of my LRs are made by DD.
Love em.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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Sure, but I doubt you're an unemployed 19 year old making your first AR purchase in order to go shoot up a crowd like the guy on Discord encouraged you to do.
Love em.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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Sure, but I doubt you're an unemployed 19 year old making your first AR purchase in order to go shoot up a crowd like the guy on Discord encouraged you to do.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (08Sk0)
747
683 625 One of the bullets hit the hydraulic line of a tractor.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (7+K6
A Massey Casualty event.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (ee6uy)
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Was it a 'Deere John letter' occasion?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (7+K6
A Massey Casualty event.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (ee6uy)
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Was it a 'Deere John letter' occasion?
Posted by: Ciampino - Sun Update #16 at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (qfLjt)
748
Dang. At 40 seconds you can hear a man yell "OFFICER!" to inform law enforcement.
It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
You start yelling Gun! Gun! Gun!
It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
You start yelling Gun! Gun! Gun!
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (NzK/m)
749
I'm going to beat up on the law enforcement, You had one fucking job and you failed
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (5MvGY)
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Damn right.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (5MvGY)
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Damn right.
Posted by: Jordan61 at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (16NmB)
750
I still run an ACOG on one gun. It has to be one of the simplest sights to use in the open. Not for CQB though.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (CJqj6)
Posted by: Janet "Butch" REno 911 at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (5a2xV)
752
706 Just saw (on Laura Loomer's Twitter) a news interview with one of Crooks' HS classmates who said the Crooks was a loner and an outcast. Isn't that the kind of person the CIA likes to recruit?
That seems counterintuitive when a big part of an agent's job is to make personal connections while trying to turn potential assets.
That seems counterintuitive when a big part of an agent's job is to make personal connections while trying to turn potential assets.
Posted by: tankdemon at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (VSht7)
753
"CNN: Shannen Doherty, ‘Beverly Hills, 90210’ and ‘Charmed’ star, dead at 53 "
The rule of three still in play: Dr. Ruth, Richard Simmons, and now Shannen.
The rule of three still in play: Dr. Ruth, Richard Simmons, and now Shannen.
Posted by: cheshirecat at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (TwA+r)
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
755
or Shelley Winters, one of them.
or Shelley Winters, one of them.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
756
Here is the thing, buddy:
I might be posing as an internet tough guy, but rule #1 is why I will never donate to this blog again.
They (try to) kill us.
We don't' even say bad words back.
I might be posing as an internet tough guy, but rule #1 is why I will never donate to this blog again.
They (try to) kill us.
We don't' even say bad words back.
Posted by: FightfightFight at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (Dp7by)
757
Is this a Gub Thread record?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (7+K6
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Could be. Hate the circumstances, tho. Would much rather attribute it to my wit!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (7+K6
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Could be. Hate the circumstances, tho. Would much rather attribute it to my wit!
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:20 PM (JwHpX)
758
Dad owned the AR. He just walked out of the house with it
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 09:20 PM (5MvGY)
759
My gosh the entire 80's is vanishing before our eyes. Who is next, Mike Tyson?
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 09:20 PM (lX8VI)
760
Whig, I had just the Aimpoint Comp M4S alone on my rifle. I decided against a magnifier because I hadn't figured out how to use a magnified optic (ACOG) in CQB conditions. But it was a real bear trying to qualify w/ that Aimpoint at the 200, 250, and 300 meter targets. I couldn't quite figure out the arc of the 5.56mm rounds and just couldn't hit the distance targets. It took me three tries to make qualification w/ the rifle (barely).
Posted by: Ed L
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If it works for you and it did the job for you abroad, then I wouldn't worry about it. Simple and familiar beats new and untried. Plus user confidence, you know what it will do and what it won't.
The low magnifiers shine starting about 100-150 meters plus and most of them have bullet drop references and windage marks.
For the most part, ordinary self defense is well within 25 yrds for the most part or within a house defending it. Easier to shoot accurately with a long rifle and quick acquisition via red dot beyond 21 feet or so.
Posted by: Ed L
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If it works for you and it did the job for you abroad, then I wouldn't worry about it. Simple and familiar beats new and untried. Plus user confidence, you know what it will do and what it won't.
The low magnifiers shine starting about 100-150 meters plus and most of them have bullet drop references and windage marks.
For the most part, ordinary self defense is well within 25 yrds for the most part or within a house defending it. Easier to shoot accurately with a long rifle and quick acquisition via red dot beyond 21 feet or so.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:20 PM (mIs2x)
761
To the point where it's predictable.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (08Sk0)
Ah, so it's not the company itself, it's just that they're a little high end for a nobody nothing fuckup murderer to just yolo their hands on on a whim?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (08Sk0)
Ah, so it's not the company itself, it's just that they're a little high end for a nobody nothing fuckup murderer to just yolo their hands on on a whim?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:21 PM (BAEGB)
762
Hamas has gone back to couriers. So have these fuckers
They will need to ditch their phones and be far away from any other phones. A bunch of years ago my team was able to patch together the network of Afghanistan drug cartel members using their phones in that primitive hell hole.
During C19, we were able to track the movements of every single college person who attended Daytona beach from their dorm room to their mom's basement.
Today, the guy who wants to sell you a lawn mower can geo fence and identify a potential customer before the customer even knows he wants a lawnmower.
They will need to ditch their phones and be far away from any other phones. A bunch of years ago my team was able to patch together the network of Afghanistan drug cartel members using their phones in that primitive hell hole.
During C19, we were able to track the movements of every single college person who attended Daytona beach from their dorm room to their mom's basement.
Today, the guy who wants to sell you a lawn mower can geo fence and identify a potential customer before the customer even knows he wants a lawnmower.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:21 PM (rHxhM)
763
Isn’t shooting a tractor a death penalty offense. If not, it should be.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 09:21 PM (CJqj6)
764
I cut off 6 inches of a 6 foot blacksnake's ass today.
The Duck Duck Go says he might regrow the damn thing, albeit not in original form.
The Duck Duck Go says he might regrow the damn thing, albeit not in original form.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:21 PM (ee6uy)
765
How did they let the S2 fire a howitzer and why didn’t anybody tell me. lol.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (CJqj6)
I was detailed Field Artillery so went to OBC at Ft Sill. So when we went to the field (Graf) I had to pull my turn as Safety Officer. I always made sure I got to yank a lanyard from time to time. I actually spent most of my time as the FO.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (CJqj6)
I was detailed Field Artillery so went to OBC at Ft Sill. So when we went to the field (Graf) I had to pull my turn as Safety Officer. I always made sure I got to yank a lanyard from time to time. I actually spent most of my time as the FO.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 09:21 PM (W/lyH)
766
But you could have put a few shots in the air to warn everyone.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 14, 2024 07:54 PM (Gse2f)
And have those bullets come down in the crowd? No. We never fire warning shots.
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 14, 2024 07:54 PM (Gse2f)
And have those bullets come down in the crowd? No. We never fire warning shots.
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 09:21 PM (AWrpC)
767
764 I cut off 6 inches of a 6 foot blacksnake's ass today.
The Duck Duck Go says he might regrow the damn thing, albeit not in original form.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:21 PM (ee6uy)
Well that was rude.
The Duck Duck Go says he might regrow the damn thing, albeit not in original form.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:21 PM (ee6uy)
Well that was rude.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:22 PM (7+K68)
768
"CNN: Shannen Doherty, ‘Beverly Hills, 90210’ and ‘Charmed’ star, dead at 53 "
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Oh, that reminds me. Some 40 or 50 year old NFL superstar Died Suddenly over the weekend, too.
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Oh, that reminds me. Some 40 or 50 year old NFL superstar Died Suddenly over the weekend, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:22 PM (08Sk0)
769
Can i just ask, fully recognizing i don't know shit from shit... what is the story with this Daniel Defense? I'm pretty much at ground level on this one.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
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Daniel Defense is one of the better makes of AR rifles and pretty expensive (2k plus) for fully configured rifle. The Uvalde school murderer bought a brand new one with an expensive options package to do his dirty work.
That being said, Daniel Defense became known as the contractors' and operators' choice in places like Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Posted by: whig
The Las Vegas shooter had a few as well.
I thought DD was expensive until I got into Geissele.
Yow.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
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Daniel Defense is one of the better makes of AR rifles and pretty expensive (2k plus) for fully configured rifle. The Uvalde school murderer bought a brand new one with an expensive options package to do his dirty work.
That being said, Daniel Defense became known as the contractors' and operators' choice in places like Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Posted by: whig
The Las Vegas shooter had a few as well.
I thought DD was expensive until I got into Geissele.
Yow.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 09:22 PM (elaR+)
770
Guys, I just got back from CNN. OK, you made me look.
CNN's current headline is "Trump Survives Assassination Attempt."
I'm sure this is great fun for you, but I don't appreciate it.
Why do it? Is this a way to advance our cause or something?
CNN's current headline is "Trump Survives Assassination Attempt."
I'm sure this is great fun for you, but I don't appreciate it.
Why do it? Is this a way to advance our cause or something?
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at July 14, 2024 09:22 PM (zdLoL)
771
747 683 625 One of the bullets hit the hydraulic line of a tractor.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (7+K6
A Massey Casualty event.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (ee6uy)
----
Was it a 'Deere John letter' occasion?
Posted by: Ciampino - Sun Update #16 at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (qfLjt)
Apparently he broke up with Allis
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (7+K6
A Massey Casualty event.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (ee6uy)
----
Was it a 'Deere John letter' occasion?
Posted by: Ciampino - Sun Update #16 at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (qfLjt)
Apparently he broke up with Allis
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:22 PM (ee6uy)
772
So the shooter's rifle was a 22LR?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 14, 2024 09:22 PM (lhenN)
773
Megyn MeAgain Kelly is riding Trump's dick?
--types /deletes
Megyn Kelly is fully on board with Team Trump 2024.
https://youtu.be/pyRBjkZXjxA?si=R2R0bzHOqU4DhzJl
--types /deletes
Megyn Kelly is fully on board with Team Trump 2024.
https://youtu.be/pyRBjkZXjxA?si=R2R0bzHOqU4DhzJl
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:23 PM (CLy3K)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 14, 2024 09:23 PM (u82oZ)
775
Has Megyn ever said she was dead wrong in 2016?
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 09:24 PM (lX8VI)
776
So the shooter's rifle was a 22LR?
Posted by: BourbonChicken
Was it?
Does that qualify for an "AR-style rifle," as the Fake News told us yesterday?
So the shooter's rifle was a 22LR?
Posted by: BourbonChicken
Was it?
Does that qualify for an "AR-style rifle," as the Fake News told us yesterday?
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:24 PM (CLy3K)
777
Dad owned the AR. He just walked out of the house with it
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 09:20 PM
And his dad is refusing to talk to anyone about his kid claiming the police are conducting an investigation.
He knows something and has been told to shut his mouth or he becomes an accomplice and a "person of interest" in the case.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 09:20 PM
And his dad is refusing to talk to anyone about his kid claiming the police are conducting an investigation.
He knows something and has been told to shut his mouth or he becomes an accomplice and a "person of interest" in the case.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2024 09:24 PM (QNSds)
778
Len, that is not factual. Blackpowder firearms are not considered such under federal law. They are considered "dangerous weapons" under every state law afaik. This is a common misconception.'
Florida is an exception: it is legal for a convicted felon to possess an 'antique' weapon or replica thereof. Muzzleloaders are OK. Just some trivia. Yes, the majority of states prohibit all 'weapons' except for bows and swords and such but Florida doesn't.
Florida is an exception: it is legal for a convicted felon to possess an 'antique' weapon or replica thereof. Muzzleloaders are OK. Just some trivia. Yes, the majority of states prohibit all 'weapons' except for bows and swords and such but Florida doesn't.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 09:24 PM (bFId9)
779
Hey Morons.
Still very angry and sick to my stomach and have zero tolerance for FUD trolls. So gonna stick to just guns until provoked.
I got my PSA Micro Dagger and got to put 150 rounds through it this weekend prior to the Trump assassination attempt. It's small, holds 15 rounds with factory mags or it can take 10 round Glock 48 mags. If you have smaller hands, could be ideal. Recoil is a bit snappy, because physics is a thing, and accuracy is a little below my G17, even with red dots on both.
In fact, I'm not sure the Holosun 407k with its big, red dot is a great fit. It makes for easy hit at 10 yards but it lacks precision at 25 yards. I prefer smaller dots.
Time will tell about durability but so far, so good.
Still very angry and sick to my stomach and have zero tolerance for FUD trolls. So gonna stick to just guns until provoked.
I got my PSA Micro Dagger and got to put 150 rounds through it this weekend prior to the Trump assassination attempt. It's small, holds 15 rounds with factory mags or it can take 10 round Glock 48 mags. If you have smaller hands, could be ideal. Recoil is a bit snappy, because physics is a thing, and accuracy is a little below my G17, even with red dots on both.
In fact, I'm not sure the Holosun 407k with its big, red dot is a great fit. It makes for easy hit at 10 yards but it lacks precision at 25 yards. I prefer smaller dots.
Time will tell about durability but so far, so good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at July 14, 2024 09:24 PM (xcxpd)
780
And going to say thank you to Weasel. Not just for the normal weekly Gun Thread, but for allowing the opination on this topic. It really is firearm related and your rules kept things at a proper level. Thank you.
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 09:24 PM (AWrpC)
781
I cut off 6 inches of a 6 foot blacksnake's ass today.
The Duck Duck Go says he might regrow the damn thing, albeit not in original form.
Posted by: jsg
Would that be considered a circumcision?
The Duck Duck Go says he might regrow the damn thing, albeit not in original form.
Posted by: jsg
Would that be considered a circumcision?
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 09:24 PM (elaR+)
782
That being said, Daniel Defense became known as the contractors' and operators' choice in places like Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:15 PM (mIs2x)
I understand that Daniel Defense picked up the contract to supply SOCOM w/ the Gen 2 SOPMOD version of the M4A1 rifle. So they must have something good going for them.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:15 PM (mIs2x)
I understand that Daniel Defense picked up the contract to supply SOCOM w/ the Gen 2 SOPMOD version of the M4A1 rifle. So they must have something good going for them.
Posted by: Ed L at July 14, 2024 09:25 PM (yRXSd)
783
Unknown Drip, lack of traceable Intel is keeping Sinwar alive.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 09:25 PM (5MvGY)
784
Just saw (on Laura Loomer's Twitter) a news interview with one of Crooks' HS classmates who said the Crooks was a loner and an outcast. Isn't that the kind of person the CIA likes to recruit?
For cut out work? No, you want someone who dopes high on Mimetic Bind susceptibility. Hopefully someone with quite a few psychotropic Rx too.
For cut out work? No, you want someone who dopes high on Mimetic Bind susceptibility. Hopefully someone with quite a few psychotropic Rx too.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:25 PM (rHxhM)
785
I have some AR style shoes.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:25 PM (7+K68)
786
Has Megyn ever said she was dead wrong in 2016?
Posted by: ...
Not really, no.
But she does say she'll "walk over broken glass to vote for him" in the video above.
Has Megyn ever said she was dead wrong in 2016?
Posted by: ...
Not really, no.
But she does say she'll "walk over broken glass to vote for him" in the video above.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:25 PM (CLy3K)
787
744 I'm with you on the iron sights, I standardized on the Trijicon that has the fibers and Tritium for both day and night.
Iron sights doesn't need anywhere near the same repetitive practice as dot sights for the pistol. I know that is anathema to many in the gun thread not to regularly do Draw & Aim drills every day, but it does tend to spook the guests and family members when I'm sitting around and spontaneously decide to do repetitive drills.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
=====
That has been about all I can do recently is dryfire practice due to health problems.
Funny Jeff Cooper aside on dry firing. He like to do it at the TV due to changing positions of people as targets on shows. He said something like he needed his dryfire practice but did not necessarily need his tv if something went wrong.
Iron sights doesn't need anywhere near the same repetitive practice as dot sights for the pistol. I know that is anathema to many in the gun thread not to regularly do Draw & Aim drills every day, but it does tend to spook the guests and family members when I'm sitting around and spontaneously decide to do repetitive drills.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
=====
That has been about all I can do recently is dryfire practice due to health problems.
Funny Jeff Cooper aside on dry firing. He like to do it at the TV due to changing positions of people as targets on shows. He said something like he needed his dryfire practice but did not necessarily need his tv if something went wrong.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:25 PM (mIs2x)
788
765 How did they let the S2 fire a howitzer and why didn’t anybody tell me. lol.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (CJqj6)
I was detailed Field Artillery so went to OBC at Ft Sill. So when we went to the field (Graf) I had to pull my turn as Safety Officer. I always made sure I got to yank a lanyard from time to time. I actually spent most of my time as the FO.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 09:21 PM (W/lyH)
One of my BN commanders always made sure to let the Chaplain jump on an Abrams and pull a couple of triggers when we were on the tank ranges.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (CJqj6)
I was detailed Field Artillery so went to OBC at Ft Sill. So when we went to the field (Graf) I had to pull my turn as Safety Officer. I always made sure I got to yank a lanyard from time to time. I actually spent most of my time as the FO.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 09:21 PM (W/lyH)
One of my BN commanders always made sure to let the Chaplain jump on an Abrams and pull a couple of triggers when we were on the tank ranges.
Posted by: tankdemon at July 14, 2024 09:25 PM (VSht7)
789
Four.
Shelley Long is mort.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
755
or Shelley Winters, one of them.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
-----------
Could be Edgar Winter.
Shelley Long is mort.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
755
or Shelley Winters, one of them.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
-----------
Could be Edgar Winter.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 09:26 PM (jdHxK)
790
Can i just ask, fully recognizing i don't know shit from shit... what is the story with this Daniel Defense? I'm pretty much at ground level on this one.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
DD is supposedly high quality.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
DD is supposedly high quality.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:26 PM (NzK/m)
791
Could be. Hate the circumstances, tho. Would much rather attribute it to my wit!
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:20 PM
And wisdom, and humility.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:20 PM
And wisdom, and humility.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 14, 2024 09:26 PM (jDfrA)
792
Here is a definitive angle of over watch completely failing or being in on it as it genuinely looks like they had the shooter in their sights and let him take the shots.
https://tinyurl.com/2s3c424z
https://tinyurl.com/2s3c424z
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 09:26 PM (XV/Pl)
793
One of the bullets hit the hydraulic line of a tractor.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (7+K6
A Massey Casualty event.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (ee6uy)
----
Was it a 'Deere John letter' occasion?
Posted by: Ciampino - Sun Update #16 at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (qfLjt)
Apparently he broke up with Allis
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:22 PM (ee6uy)
***
Shot the power take off?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:00 PM (7+K6
A Massey Casualty event.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:08 PM (ee6uy)
----
Was it a 'Deere John letter' occasion?
Posted by: Ciampino - Sun Update #16 at July 14, 2024 09:18 PM (qfLjt)
Apparently he broke up with Allis
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:22 PM (ee6uy)
***
Shot the power take off?
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 09:26 PM (W/lyH)
794
Shelley Long is mort.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
755
or Shelley Winters, one of them.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
=====
Shelley Duvall
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
755
or Shelley Winters, one of them.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
=====
Shelley Duvall
Posted by: Jordan61 at July 14, 2024 09:27 PM (16NmB)
795
Four.
Shelley Long is mort.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
755
or Shelley Winters, one of them.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
-----------
Could be Edgar Winter.
Posted by: Cicero
Who killed Jonathan Winters???
Shelley Long is mort.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
755
or Shelley Winters, one of them.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
-----------
Could be Edgar Winter.
Posted by: Cicero
Who killed Jonathan Winters???
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:27 PM (NzK/m)
796
Funny Jeff Cooper aside on dry firing. He like to do it at the TV due to changing positions of people as targets on shows. He said something like he needed his dryfire practice but did not necessarily need his tv if something went wrong.
Posted by: whig
Did he say which shows he watches?
Posted by: whig
Did he say which shows he watches?
Posted by: davidt at July 14, 2024 09:27 PM (SYTee)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:28 PM (BAEGB)
798
That being said, Daniel Defense became known as the contractors' and operators' choice in places like Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Interesting, the guys that were in my detail preferred the local cuisine of AK47s.
Interesting, the guys that were in my detail preferred the local cuisine of AK47s.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:28 PM (rHxhM)
799
I understand that Daniel Defense picked up the contract to supply SOCOM w/ the Gen 2 SOPMOD version of the M4A1 rifle. So they must have something good going for them.
Posted by: Ed L
Tight tolerances and good parts suppliers are what I observed in stores. Don't have one though as mine are almost all home built from picked parts. I put adjustable gas blocks on all of them for example except the AR pistol with fixed front sight/gas block. That has an adjustable gas key on the bolt carrier for helpful reasons and adjustment to ammo being fired.
Posted by: Ed L
Tight tolerances and good parts suppliers are what I observed in stores. Don't have one though as mine are almost all home built from picked parts. I put adjustable gas blocks on all of them for example except the AR pistol with fixed front sight/gas block. That has an adjustable gas key on the bolt carrier for helpful reasons and adjustment to ammo being fired.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:28 PM (mIs2x)
800
The chick from the Shining that Kubrick made cry.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:28 PM (7+K68)
801
OK, all y'all. 9:28 thank you time.
Thank you all for being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday.
God Bless America and Donald Trump!
Thank you all for being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday.
God Bless America and Donald Trump!
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:28 PM (JwHpX)
802
“ I was detailed Field Artillery so went to OBC at Ft Sill. So when we went to the field (Graf) I had to pull my turn as Safety Officer. I always made sure I got to yank a lanyard from time to time. I actually spent most of my time as the FO.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 09:21 PM (W/lyH)”
Check fire
Alright, who the hell is… uh, yes sir.
Fire for effect.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 09:21 PM (W/lyH)”
Check fire
Alright, who the hell is… uh, yes sir.
Fire for effect.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 09:29 PM (CJqj6)
803
Could be, and looking at an overview, the shots that hit the bystanders in the audience were NOT lined up with where Trump was. If the shots were taken by the guy on the roof.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 07:59 PM (QpPZM)
If he thinks he's going to be taken out and doesn't have another shot at Trump, why wouldn't he pump some into the crowd? It benefits whatever he sees as his goal, I'm sure.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 07:59 PM (QpPZM)
If he thinks he's going to be taken out and doesn't have another shot at Trump, why wouldn't he pump some into the crowd? It benefits whatever he sees as his goal, I'm sure.
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 09:29 PM (AWrpC)
804
797 I have some AR style shoes.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:25 PM (7+K6
AR Jordans?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:28 PM (BAEGB)
No. I don't have FU money.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:25 PM (7+K6
AR Jordans?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:28 PM (BAEGB)
No. I don't have FU money.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:29 PM (7+K68)
805
"Shelley Long is mort.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
755
or Shelley Winters, one of them.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
=====
Shelley Duvall"
That's no surprise, she retreated out of Hollywood, smoked like a chimney and had diabetes.
Shelly Winters is already long dead, and Shelly Long is just fat.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
755
or Shelley Winters, one of them.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:19 PM (CLy3K)
=====
Shelley Duvall"
That's no surprise, she retreated out of Hollywood, smoked like a chimney and had diabetes.
Shelly Winters is already long dead, and Shelly Long is just fat.
Posted by: cheshirecat at July 14, 2024 09:29 PM (TwA+r)
806
One of my BN commanders always made sure to let the Chaplain jump on an Abrams and pull a couple of triggers when we were on the tank ranges.
Posted by: tankdemon at July 14, 2024 09:25 PM (VSht7)
One of the artillery ARTEP tests was the FDC talking an untrained observer through a mission. When I could, I used the Chaplin. Always a fun mission.
Posted by: tankdemon at July 14, 2024 09:25 PM (VSht7)
One of the artillery ARTEP tests was the FDC talking an untrained observer through a mission. When I could, I used the Chaplin. Always a fun mission.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 09:29 PM (W/lyH)
807
Thank you horde. Thank you Weasel-san.
Posted by: TRex at July 14, 2024 09:30 PM (IQ6Gq)
808
792 Here is a definitive angle of over watch completely failing or being in on it as it genuinely looks like they had the shooter in their sights and let him take the shots.
https://tinyurl.com/2s3c424z
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 09:26 PM (XV/Pl)
That... is disturbing. Guy even flinches at first shots.
https://tinyurl.com/2s3c424z
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 09:26 PM (XV/Pl)
That... is disturbing. Guy even flinches at first shots.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 14, 2024 09:30 PM (xaFKb)
809
781 I cut off 6 inches of a 6 foot blacksnake's ass today.
The Duck Duck Go says he might regrow the damn thing, albeit not in original form.
Posted by: jsg
Would that be considered a circumcision?
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 09:24 PM (elaR+)
I'm not sure. It depends if he was a grower or a shower, I suppose. From what I saw, grower is the bet.
The Duck Duck Go says he might regrow the damn thing, albeit not in original form.
Posted by: jsg
Would that be considered a circumcision?
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 09:24 PM (elaR+)
I'm not sure. It depends if he was a grower or a shower, I suppose. From what I saw, grower is the bet.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:31 PM (ee6uy)
810
Copied from some rando on X"
"Jonathan Willis, the officer in the famous photo of the two snipers on the roof at Trump's rally, has informed the public that he had the assassin in his sights for at least 3 minutes, but the head of the Secret Service refused to give the order to take out the perpetrator. They prevented him from stopping the assassin before he took shots at President Trump and killed a spectator and wounded 2 other"
Anything to this? Or is it just stray voltage.
"Jonathan Willis, the officer in the famous photo of the two snipers on the roof at Trump's rally, has informed the public that he had the assassin in his sights for at least 3 minutes, but the head of the Secret Service refused to give the order to take out the perpetrator. They prevented him from stopping the assassin before he took shots at President Trump and killed a spectator and wounded 2 other"
Anything to this? Or is it just stray voltage.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at July 14, 2024 09:31 PM (AyG8y)
811
"CNN: Shannen Doherty, ‘Beverly Hills, 90210’ and ‘Charmed’ star, dead at 53 "
-
Oh, that reminds me. Some 40 or 50 year old NFL superstar Died Suddenly over the weekend, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
To be fair, she had Stage 4 Metastatic Breast Cancer and fought it for ten years.
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Oh, that reminds me. Some 40 or 50 year old NFL superstar Died Suddenly over the weekend, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
To be fair, she had Stage 4 Metastatic Breast Cancer and fought it for ten years.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:31 PM (NzK/m)
812
Daniel Defense is GTG. They’ve been reliable for a pretty long time. Also, years ago they picked up some good people from KAC, which made them better.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2024 09:31 PM (CJqj6)
813
Interesting, the guys that were in my detail preferred the local cuisine of AK47s.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
======
Well, the tip of the spear types carry what they damn well please and know what they like. You won't see me nay saying them. AKs can function with abuse better than an AR can. That being said, ARs can take a lot of abuse if you keep them wet with oil.
If I had to choose a Ruski gun though, it would be the humble ole SKS. Put aperture sights on them (Tech Sights) and fire good ammo with them and they can be about twice as accurate as their AK cousin.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
======
Well, the tip of the spear types carry what they damn well please and know what they like. You won't see me nay saying them. AKs can function with abuse better than an AR can. That being said, ARs can take a lot of abuse if you keep them wet with oil.
If I had to choose a Ruski gun though, it would be the humble ole SKS. Put aperture sights on them (Tech Sights) and fire good ammo with them and they can be about twice as accurate as their AK cousin.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:31 PM (mIs2x)
814
It seems this Crooks person climbed up the wall onto the barn roof during the rally.
I looked at a video of a witness who says he saw the guy and told the cops what was up.
Apparently the cops listened because one went to the barn, climbed the ladder, saw the gunman who turned and pointed the rifle at him at which point the cop retraced his steps post haste.
People need to lose their jobs.
I looked at a video of a witness who says he saw the guy and told the cops what was up.
Apparently the cops listened because one went to the barn, climbed the ladder, saw the gunman who turned and pointed the rifle at him at which point the cop retraced his steps post haste.
People need to lose their jobs.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 14, 2024 09:31 PM (6ydKt)
Posted by: Ed L at July 14, 2024 09:31 PM (yRXSd)
Posted by: John Wayne Bobbitt at July 14, 2024 09:32 PM (jDfrA)
817
Sure, but I doubt you're an unemployed 19 year old making your first AR purchase in order to go shoot up a crowd like the guy on Discord encouraged you to do.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
If you are referring to the Uvalde shooter, he worked at a fast food place until he had enough money to buy the rifle.
Then he quit.
Everyone there was happy when he left.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
If you are referring to the Uvalde shooter, he worked at a fast food place until he had enough money to buy the rifle.
Then he quit.
Everyone there was happy when he left.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 09:32 PM (elaR+)
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 14, 2024 09:32 PM (CLy3K)
819
I remember when Bush was in Georgia (Overseas) and the guy threw a live grenade at the stage. Fortunately he had a bad arm and his rigging of the trigger lever with a bandana prevent it from going off.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 09:33 PM (B1dzx)
820
Did he say which shows he watches?
Posted by: davidt
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He has been dead about twenty years or so. One of the great gun trainers and founded GunSite in Arizona (which is still there).
Guns and Ammo magazine used to print his quips and insights which I think you can get from Amazon as compiled from his columns with them.
Posted by: davidt
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He has been dead about twenty years or so. One of the great gun trainers and founded GunSite in Arizona (which is still there).
Guns and Ammo magazine used to print his quips and insights which I think you can get from Amazon as compiled from his columns with them.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:33 PM (mIs2x)
821
Cory Mills, R Fla. this morning on Fox went there. He said he wants to know if this is incompetence or an inside job.
Posted by: jen the original at July 14, 2024 09:15 PM (oe5jS)
~~~~~
Mills was on with Jesse Watters just a little bit ago and "went there." It was awesome. Here's the clip:
https://tinyurl.com/4xfsm6x6
Posted by: jen the original at July 14, 2024 09:15 PM (oe5jS)
~~~~~
Mills was on with Jesse Watters just a little bit ago and "went there." It was awesome. Here's the clip:
https://tinyurl.com/4xfsm6x6
Posted by: IrishEi at July 14, 2024 09:33 PM (3ImbR)
822
The Lee Harvey Oswald kill shot was 189 feet
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2024 09:13 PM (GITLP)
Perhaps, but LH Oswald didn't fire the kill shot.
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2024 09:13 PM (GITLP)
Perhaps, but LH Oswald didn't fire the kill shot.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 09:33 PM (7Z8OX)
823
Tight tolerances and good parts suppliers are what I observed in stores.
I favor reliability. I have a few "loose" guns that rattle when you shake them, but you can feed them gravel and they will cycle every time.
I favor reliability. I have a few "loose" guns that rattle when you shake them, but you can feed them gravel and they will cycle every time.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:34 PM (rHxhM)
824
"Interesting, the guys that were in my detail preferred the local cuisine of AK47s."
********
The enemy's weapon. There would be ammo everywhere.
********
The enemy's weapon. There would be ammo everywhere.
Posted by: Cosda at July 14, 2024 09:34 PM (ux7/e)
825
"Jonathan Willis, the officer in the famous photo of the two snipers on the roof at Trump's rally, has informed the public that he had the assassin in his sights for at least 3 minutes, but the head of the Secret Service refused to give the order to take out the perpetrator. They prevented him from stopping the assassin before he took shots at President Trump and killed a spectator and wounded 2 other"
I doubt he'd say this publicly. His job in the SS would be over.
I doubt he'd say this publicly. His job in the SS would be over.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:34 PM (7+K68)
826
814 It seems this Crooks person climbed up the wall onto the barn roof during the rally.
I looked at a video of a witness who says he saw the guy and told the cops what was up.
Apparently the cops listened because one went to the barn, climbed the ladder, saw the gunman who turned and pointed the rifle at him at which point the cop retraced his steps post haste.
People need to lose their jobs.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 14, 2024 09:31 PM (6ydKt)
There was a ladder...
I looked at a video of a witness who says he saw the guy and told the cops what was up.
Apparently the cops listened because one went to the barn, climbed the ladder, saw the gunman who turned and pointed the rifle at him at which point the cop retraced his steps post haste.
People need to lose their jobs.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 14, 2024 09:31 PM (6ydKt)
There was a ladder...
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:34 PM (ee6uy)
827
Washington Examiner: Former President Donald Trump has completely rewritten his convention speech in light of the assassination attempt against him on Saturday and will call on Thursday for a new effort at national unity.
Washington Examiner: Former President Donald Trump has completely rewritten his convention speech in light of the assassination attempt against him on Saturday and will call on Thursday for a new effort at national unity.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 14, 2024 09:34 PM (63Dwl)
828
Copied from some rando on X"
"Jonathan Willis, the officer in the famous photo of the two snipers on the roof at Trump's rally, has informed the public that he had the assassin in his sights for at least 3 minutes, but the head of the Secret Service refused to give the order to take out the perpetrator. They prevented him from stopping the assassin before he took shots at President Trump and killed a spectator and wounded 2 other"
Anything to this? Or is it just stray voltage.
Posted by: Mr Gaga
Put me in charge of the SS and I'll give them the ROE of shooting first even if it turns out to only be a long range camera lens.
"Jonathan Willis, the officer in the famous photo of the two snipers on the roof at Trump's rally, has informed the public that he had the assassin in his sights for at least 3 minutes, but the head of the Secret Service refused to give the order to take out the perpetrator. They prevented him from stopping the assassin before he took shots at President Trump and killed a spectator and wounded 2 other"
Anything to this? Or is it just stray voltage.
Posted by: Mr Gaga
Put me in charge of the SS and I'll give them the ROE of shooting first even if it turns out to only be a long range camera lens.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:34 PM (NzK/m)
829
Punching out for the night.
As always, Weasel, thanks for a great Gub Thread.
Buckle up, Horde...gonna be a week.
As always, Weasel, thanks for a great Gub Thread.
Buckle up, Horde...gonna be a week.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 09:35 PM (Wnv9h)
830
The chick from the Shining that Kubrick made cry.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:28 PM (7+K6
He made her hair fall out!
Thanks for the intel s-sayer. No interest in what that broad says. It was clear the Left would drop her after she sucked up to them. No one likes a traitor. If her NBC show had taken off would she be Joy Behar right about now?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:28 PM (7+K6
He made her hair fall out!
Thanks for the intel s-sayer. No interest in what that broad says. It was clear the Left would drop her after she sucked up to them. No one likes a traitor. If her NBC show had taken off would she be Joy Behar right about now?
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 09:35 PM (lX8VI)
831
That... is disturbing. Guy even flinches at first shots.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 14, 2024 09:30 PM (xaFKb
Holy shit... dude's hat hits the scope as he's flinching and he sends one God knows where about ten degrees down from where he was originally pointing..... just judging off the muzzle flash.....
That's beyond amateur.... who the fuck allowed this idiot the privilege of being in a position to shoot anybody?
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 14, 2024 09:30 PM (xaFKb
Holy shit... dude's hat hits the scope as he's flinching and he sends one God knows where about ten degrees down from where he was originally pointing..... just judging off the muzzle flash.....
That's beyond amateur.... who the fuck allowed this idiot the privilege of being in a position to shoot anybody?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:35 PM (BAEGB)
832
725 President Joe Biden delivered a gaffe-filled address to the nation from the Oval Office on Sunday evening, telling Americans at one point to settle political differences at the “battle box” when he meant the “ballot box.”
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We have a Battle Box? SIGN ME THE FUCK UP! I imagine 2 equal weighted individuals at opposite sides of the political spectrum beating the shit out of each other until one of them yields. Loser has their ballot burned.
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We have a Battle Box? SIGN ME THE FUCK UP! I imagine 2 equal weighted individuals at opposite sides of the political spectrum beating the shit out of each other until one of them yields. Loser has their ballot burned.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 14, 2024 09:35 PM (OCc3z)
833
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2024 09:35 PM (Wnv9h)
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My pleasure bro. Thanks for being here!
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My pleasure bro. Thanks for being here!
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:35 PM (JwHpX)
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2024 09:36 PM (/7KEl)
835
Washington Examiner: Former President Donald Trump has completely rewritten his convention speech in light of the assassination attempt against him on Saturday and will call on Thursday for a new effort at national unity.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
That horse has left the barn.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
That horse has left the barn.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:36 PM (NzK/m)
836
Apparently the cops listened because one went to the barn, climbed the ladder, saw the gunman who turned and pointed the rifle at him at which point the cop retraced his steps post haste.
People need to lose their jobs.
Radio. What is it used for?
People need to lose their jobs.
Radio. What is it used for?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:37 PM (rHxhM)
837
All cultures are the same.
@rawsalerts
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38m
🚨#BREAKING: Chaos and clashes are breaking out as thousands of soccer fans rush into Hard Rock Stadium without tickets
📌#Miami | #Florida
@rawsalerts
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38m
🚨#BREAKING: Chaos and clashes are breaking out as thousands of soccer fans rush into Hard Rock Stadium without tickets
📌#Miami | #Florida
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:37 PM (LkLld)
838
The enemy's weapon. There would be ammo everywhere.
Posted by: Cosda
Not always a good thing. US in Vietnam used the dirty trick of spiking VietCong ammo stashes with over pressure cartridges (WAY overpressure) to get kabooms blowing up the guns and the Viet Cong real good.
Ask a reloader if they trust ammo they did not reload and quite a few firearms trainers don't like trainees showing up with really crappy foreign ammo from Tajikistan. Tend to spend a lot of time fixing jams, dud rounds, etc.
Posted by: Cosda
Not always a good thing. US in Vietnam used the dirty trick of spiking VietCong ammo stashes with over pressure cartridges (WAY overpressure) to get kabooms blowing up the guns and the Viet Cong real good.
Ask a reloader if they trust ammo they did not reload and quite a few firearms trainers don't like trainees showing up with really crappy foreign ammo from Tajikistan. Tend to spend a lot of time fixing jams, dud rounds, etc.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:37 PM (mIs2x)
839
The Kid with her interest in all things Japan went to the trouble of looking up Japan's sword laws. They're pretty much limited to being considered cultural artifacts or art pieces, but it's actually pretty easy to get a certificate for a sword in Japan. It has to be Japanese, examined by a board who decides if it's quality, and then they issue a certificate that stays with the sword; it's not a 'permit' or a license issued to the owner. Estimates are some 2-3 million (or more, probably) sword certificates in Japan; compared to about 184K gun licenses. So there are in fact a fair number of legally held swords; and probably a lot not recorded.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 09:37 PM (bFId9)
840
RMBS, hugs to you and Mom
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 09:38 PM (5MvGY)
841
There was a ladder...
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:34 PM (ee6uy)
No other possible way up, never crossed their minds, imagination of fruit flies.
Keystone Kops level here, like Uvalde.
Posted by: jsg at July 14, 2024 09:34 PM (ee6uy)
No other possible way up, never crossed their minds, imagination of fruit flies.
Keystone Kops level here, like Uvalde.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 14, 2024 09:38 PM (6ydKt)
842
Washington Examiner: Former President Donald Trump has completely rewritten his convention speech in light of the assassination attempt against him on Saturday and will call on Thursday for a new effort at national unity.
We cannot unite with demons. Exorcise the demons first then we can consider what is left is worth uniting.
We cannot unite with demons. Exorcise the demons first then we can consider what is left is worth uniting.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:38 PM (rHxhM)
843
Maybe I've watched too many movies but the moment any LEO shouts gun gun gun into the radio, everything moves at might speed.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:38 PM (7+K68)
844
736 I'm going to beat up on the law enforcement, You had one fucking job and you failed
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (5MvGY)
I will give them credit where credit is due but I will never shake my Pom-poms for the cops. I’m not going to be Sean Hannity or Michael Berry level obsequious towards them.
But this demonstrates that the cops are near completely worthless at protecting people.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 09:16 PM (5MvGY)
I will give them credit where credit is due but I will never shake my Pom-poms for the cops. I’m not going to be Sean Hannity or Michael Berry level obsequious towards them.
But this demonstrates that the cops are near completely worthless at protecting people.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:38 PM (8sMut)
845
Apparently the cops listened because one went to the barn, climbed the ladder, saw the gunman who turned and pointed the rifle at him at which point the cop retraced his steps post haste
Gunman should have been hosed at that point.
Gunman should have been hosed at that point.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:38 PM (NzK/m)
846
Sure, but I doubt you're an unemployed 19 year old making your first AR purchase in order to go shoot up a crowd like the guy on Discord encouraged you to do.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
If you are referring to the Uvalde shooter, he worked at a fast food place until he had enough money to buy the rifle.
Then he quit.
Everyone there was happy when he left.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer
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Like I said upthread, I'm not *just* referring to the Uvalde shooter. He's one of a handful over the last few years. It's why the jokes about DD and mass shooters exist.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
If you are referring to the Uvalde shooter, he worked at a fast food place until he had enough money to buy the rifle.
Then he quit.
Everyone there was happy when he left.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer
-
Like I said upthread, I'm not *just* referring to the Uvalde shooter. He's one of a handful over the last few years. It's why the jokes about DD and mass shooters exist.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:38 PM (2eR39)
847
There are countless news casters saying that essentially Trump's violent rhetoric caused this. Does anyone have a list of all of the violent rhetoric from Trump. Let's lower the bar here, how about one example... just one.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 14, 2024 09:39 PM (OCc3z)
848
We cannot unite with demons. Exorcise the demons first then we can consider what is left is worth uniting.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
Amen!
We cannot unite with demons. Exorcise the demons first then we can consider what is left is worth uniting.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
Amen!
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 09:39 PM (elaR+)
849
and will call on Thursday for a new effort at national unity.
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I'm fine with this.
You either unite with us or we assume you're communists.
Go.
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I'm fine with this.
You either unite with us or we assume you're communists.
Go.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:39 PM (2eR39)
850
I favor reliability. I have a few "loose" guns that rattle when you shake them, but you can feed them gravel and they will cycle every time.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
True. But, tight tolerances work if you run your ARs wet. Messy but ARs are designed that way. The lube floats the crap out of the receiver and bolt locking lugs.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
True. But, tight tolerances work if you run your ARs wet. Messy but ARs are designed that way. The lube floats the crap out of the receiver and bolt locking lugs.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:40 PM (mIs2x)
851
I think the locals at the perimeter did radio it in. The very visible overwatch team (not the one that shot the guy, I think) were already actively looking. I just don't know why they let the whole thing go on while this was happening.
I still think the shooter put 3 rounds towards PDT then shot the rest at the overwatch team we have the most imagery of, causing the reaction you can see on video as rounds snap over, and then the *other* team shot the guy.
I haven't seen anything to indicate the first overwatch team even fired a shot yet.
I still think the shooter put 3 rounds towards PDT then shot the rest at the overwatch team we have the most imagery of, causing the reaction you can see on video as rounds snap over, and then the *other* team shot the guy.
I haven't seen anything to indicate the first overwatch team even fired a shot yet.
Posted by: somedood at July 14, 2024 09:40 PM (b2hcy)
852
If you're a twenty year old right now, you're almost mandated to have some social media presence. They make you set up accounts in school. You *must* be part of the system. How else will the teacher who doesn't even know your actual name or face communicate with you on that loaner chromebook that they're already budgeting on you having stolen by year's end?
Posted by: Warai-otoko
======
We have known for years that it is SOP to scoop up social media before releasing the name of the perp in a shooting of national/political interest and keep a lid on it forever.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
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We have known for years that it is SOP to scoop up social media before releasing the name of the perp in a shooting of national/political interest and keep a lid on it forever.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 14, 2024 09:40 PM (cOq4q)
853
Battle Bots!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 14, 2024 09:40 PM (63Dwl)
854
Thx, Weasel. Well done on walking the tightrope.
Posted by: RI Red at July 14, 2024 09:40 PM (dBuZF)
855
Night yall and thanks weasel.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:40 PM (mIs2x)
856
When seconds count, the cops are only right the fuck over there across that little field watching you get lit up.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:40 PM (BAEGB)
857
That's beyond amateur.... who the fuck allowed this idiot the privilege of being in a position to shoot anybody?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:35 PM (BAEGB)
Start with your "B-Team," plug holes in the TO&E as best you can with whoever you can scratch up in a hurry, stir in a heaping helping of confusion, bad coms, no rehearsals, and poor training. Add in a dash of complacency, a big surge of adrenalin, and just enough luck (both good and bad), and you have what we see today.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:35 PM (BAEGB)
Start with your "B-Team," plug holes in the TO&E as best you can with whoever you can scratch up in a hurry, stir in a heaping helping of confusion, bad coms, no rehearsals, and poor training. Add in a dash of complacency, a big surge of adrenalin, and just enough luck (both good and bad), and you have what we see today.
Posted by: Ed L at July 14, 2024 09:40 PM (yRXSd)
858
Like I said upthread, I'm not *just* referring to the Uvalde shooter. He's one of a handful over the last few years. It's why the jokes about DD and mass shooters exist.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
It's cool.
Saw a lot of people at the time asking how an unemployed kid could afford such a rifle and thought that might be what you were alluding to.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
It's cool.
Saw a lot of people at the time asking how an unemployed kid could afford such a rifle and thought that might be what you were alluding to.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 09:41 PM (elaR+)
859
Trump calling for Unity is smart. The press wants him spewing venom so he loses the squishy middle class women.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:41 PM (7+K68)
860
I'm hoping Trump focuses on hiring personal security to "back up" or replace the SS to ensure his safety. They will try again. See, Gerald Ford.
Posted by: Grateful at July 14, 2024 09:42 PM (IQ6Gq)
861
Thanks Red and whig. Appreciate you both.
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:42 PM (JwHpX)
862
Maybe use this moment to point out what is happening in this country and how the media and a shadow government is destroying America.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 09:42 PM (7+K68)
863
Perhaps, but LH Oswald didn't fire the kill shot.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 09:33 PM (7Z8OX)
Since you know who did, tell us.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 09:33 PM (7Z8OX)
Since you know who did, tell us.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:43 PM (8sMut)
864
"True. But, tight tolerances work if you run your ARs wet. Messy but ARs are designed that way. The lube floats the crap out of the receiver and bolt locking lugs.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:40 PM (mIs2x)"
Oh crap is this a lube discussion now?
The grease works but is messy and not consistently available anymore due to ongoing global supply issues. Oil works good; you have to find one that doesn't burn off with your realistic usage pattern. Get non-toxic firearm specific oil, the synthetic stuff, even if it costs 10x as much, the automotive additive packages will slowly kill you when you atomize them and breathe them in.
Took me 10 years to find 2 different oils that will last more than ~200 rounds with a suppressor in an AR-15 in any weather condition.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2024 09:40 PM (mIs2x)"
Oh crap is this a lube discussion now?
The grease works but is messy and not consistently available anymore due to ongoing global supply issues. Oil works good; you have to find one that doesn't burn off with your realistic usage pattern. Get non-toxic firearm specific oil, the synthetic stuff, even if it costs 10x as much, the automotive additive packages will slowly kill you when you atomize them and breathe them in.
Took me 10 years to find 2 different oils that will last more than ~200 rounds with a suppressor in an AR-15 in any weather condition.
Posted by: somedood at July 14, 2024 09:43 PM (b2hcy)
865
"Interesting, the guys that were in my detail preferred the local cuisine of AK47s."
********
The enemy's weapon. There would be ammo everywhere.
If you are behind cover and rounds are flying you don't want to signal everyone who you are by firing a NATO chambered weapon. That is how you invite the enemy to set up ambushes.
********
The enemy's weapon. There would be ammo everywhere.
If you are behind cover and rounds are flying you don't want to signal everyone who you are by firing a NATO chambered weapon. That is how you invite the enemy to set up ambushes.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:43 PM (rHxhM)
866
Where was the cop climbing the ladder and retreating story reported? I’ll give that story more than 48 hours.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 09:43 PM (B1dzx)
867
You either unite with us or we assume you're communists.
Go.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:39 PM (2eR39)
Remember Ben Franklin's little cartoon with the chopped up snake and the one bit was labeled "UK" and had a little crown on it?
No, you fucking don't, because he didn't fucking put it there.
Go.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:39 PM (2eR39)
Remember Ben Franklin's little cartoon with the chopped up snake and the one bit was labeled "UK" and had a little crown on it?
No, you fucking don't, because he didn't fucking put it there.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:44 PM (BAEGB)
868
I suspect President Trump's speech on unity will speak to AMERICAN unity (not just republican) and it will be up to the dems and lefties to decide if they want to get on board.
I predict they will not.
I predict they will not.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 14, 2024 09:44 PM (W/lyH)
869
@860
>>I'm hoping Trump focuses on hiring personal security to "back up" or replace the SS to ensure his safety. They will try again. See, Gerald Ford.
He needs to hire a bunch of French and Israeli Mercs.
Those guys do not f**k around and DEI to them means Destroy, Eliminate, Interdict.
>>I'm hoping Trump focuses on hiring personal security to "back up" or replace the SS to ensure his safety. They will try again. See, Gerald Ford.
He needs to hire a bunch of French and Israeli Mercs.
Those guys do not f**k around and DEI to them means Destroy, Eliminate, Interdict.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2024 09:44 PM (XV/Pl)
870
Reuters: Republicans, in wake of Trump shooting, seek to pin political violence trend on Democrats
https://tinyurl.com/4rjfx5uw
Republicans pounce!
https://tinyurl.com/4rjfx5uw
Republicans pounce!
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 09:44 PM (gZfs2)
871
Perhaps, but LH Oswald didn't fire the kill shot.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 09:33 PM (7Z8OX)
Since you know who did, tell us.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:43 PM (8sMut)
Back and to the left...
that is on magic loogie.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 09:33 PM (7Z8OX)
Since you know who did, tell us.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:43 PM (8sMut)
Back and to the left...
that is on magic loogie.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at July 14, 2024 09:44 PM (Ad8y9)
872
"If you're a twenty year old right now, you're almost mandated to have some social media presence. They make you set up accounts in school. You *must* be part of the system. How else will the teacher who doesn't even know your actual name or face communicate with you on that loaner chromebook that they're already budgeting on you having stolen by year's end?
Posted by: Warai-otoko"
I just talked to someone who told me they got nixed from a job interview for not having social media
Posted by: Warai-otoko"
I just talked to someone who told me they got nixed from a job interview for not having social media
Posted by: somedood at July 14, 2024 09:44 PM (b2hcy)
873
I was too in HS yet for some reason I never went around killing people.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
yeah me too
*shifty eyes*
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
yeah me too
*shifty eyes*
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (Ka3bZ)
874
Posted by: Grateful at July 14, 2024 09:42 PM (IQ6Gq)
Eric Prince is still around (Betsy DeVos's brother). I'm sure his connections still are too.
Eric Prince is still around (Betsy DeVos's brother). I'm sure his connections still are too.
Posted by: Ed L at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (yRXSd)
875
38m
🚨#BREAKING: Chaos and clashes are breaking out as thousands of soccer fans rush into Hard Rock Stadium without tickets
📌#Miami | #Florida
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:37 PM (LkLld)
I don't understand. Just because they're undocumented ticket holders, you have no moral right to keep them out.
🚨#BREAKING: Chaos and clashes are breaking out as thousands of soccer fans rush into Hard Rock Stadium without tickets
📌#Miami | #Florida
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:37 PM (LkLld)
I don't understand. Just because they're undocumented ticket holders, you have no moral right to keep them out.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (n65KU)
876
Where was the cop climbing the ladder and retreating story reported? I’ll give that story more than 48 hours.
Posted by: polynikes
--
AP
Posted by: polynikes
--
AP
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (2eR39)
877
With the Japanese sword certificate, I say 'easy to get' because by American standards it's close to a Form 4; but then, I've mailed a package in Japan and that was very much like buying a gun on a 4473!
I mean, Holy Shit, I'm mailing a BOOK, why do you need 8 pieces of paper, my passport, my cell phone number, my address in the USA, where I'm staying in Japan, and my blood type?
I exaggerate but only by a little bit.
I mean, Holy Shit, I'm mailing a BOOK, why do you need 8 pieces of paper, my passport, my cell phone number, my address in the USA, where I'm staying in Japan, and my blood type?
I exaggerate but only by a little bit.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (bFId9)
878
Hello, Fightin' Horde. Has Dan Bongino let it be known his wishes for the head (both kinds) of USSS yet? I know he's involved with Rumble and probably doesn't tweet much, but I saw him quoted somewhere and he did NOT sound impressed with the USSS.
Posted by: pookysgirl, getting elbowed by Lil Pooky at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (dtlDP)
879
Ahhh! Yes, THANK YOU, OddBob!
I already sent a thank you email, but I wanted it public.
My pleasure. And the offer still stands for anybody else who needs some. Email in nic.
I already sent a thank you email, but I wanted it public.
My pleasure. And the offer still stands for anybody else who needs some. Email in nic.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (/y8xj)
880
Thanks, Weasel. Hope you and yours have a great week.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (mH6SG)
881
A lot more can happen in four months.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 14, 2024 08:16 PM (63Dwl)
AMEN TO THAT. This does not in any way seal the deal. They've still got sentencing to do, various appeals they can knock down and use to bad-mouth Trump, and the whole month of October for surprises. (Oh, and a plague or two on order.)
Do not quit. Do not give up. Do not stop working to get out the vote for the good guys and to convince the wobbly folks why they need to vote Republican this time around. And keep your powder dry and your sights trued.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 14, 2024 08:16 PM (63Dwl)
AMEN TO THAT. This does not in any way seal the deal. They've still got sentencing to do, various appeals they can knock down and use to bad-mouth Trump, and the whole month of October for surprises. (Oh, and a plague or two on order.)
Do not quit. Do not give up. Do not stop working to get out the vote for the good guys and to convince the wobbly folks why they need to vote Republican this time around. And keep your powder dry and your sights trued.
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (AWrpC)
882
Since you know who did, tell us.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:43 PM (8sMut)
The guy from 2036 who went back in time to kill Hitler but got confused because his schools were run by retards.
Duh.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:43 PM (8sMut)
The guy from 2036 who went back in time to kill Hitler but got confused because his schools were run by retards.
Duh.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:46 PM (BAEGB)
883
Galwdangit I hate when a lame joke is made more dumber by a typo.
Never mind. Gonna go over here now.
Never mind. Gonna go over here now.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at July 14, 2024 09:46 PM (Ad8y9)
884
Start with your "B-Team," plug holes in the TO&E as best you can with whoever you can scratch up in a hurry, stir in a heaping helping of confusion, bad coms, no rehearsals, and poor training. Add in a dash of complacency, a big surge of adrenalin, and just enough luck (both good and bad), and you have what we see today.
Clearly this can all be patched up right quick with some more intensive DEI training.
Clearly this can all be patched up right quick with some more intensive DEI training.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:46 PM (rHxhM)
885
Good grief. It's going to take hours to catch up on the thread. This has to be a new record.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 14, 2024 09:46 PM (/y8xj)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2024 09:46 PM (Zy6LG)
887
I've taken to using white lithium grease and Mobil One synthetic oil, 5W-30, on everything.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 09:46 PM (bFId9)
888
Posted by: whig
*********
I am a reloader. I was just thinking some guys at the pointy end might like the idea of grabbing a magazine off the bad guys if things were getting tight. I know two guys from Viet Nam that followed that philosophy. One of them has enough scars and medals to make me think he might have known something.
*********
I am a reloader. I was just thinking some guys at the pointy end might like the idea of grabbing a magazine off the bad guys if things were getting tight. I know two guys from Viet Nam that followed that philosophy. One of them has enough scars and medals to make me think he might have known something.
Posted by: Cosda at July 14, 2024 09:46 PM (ux7/e)
889
>Reuters: Republicans, in wake of Trump shooting, seek to pin political violence trend on Democrats.
Pinning!! They're Pinning!!
Pinning!! They're Pinning!!
Posted by: Reuters at July 14, 2024 09:47 PM (SYTee)
890
Galwdangit I hate when a lame joke is made more dumber by a typo.
Never mind. Gonna go over here now.
Posted by: Pug Mahon'
That joke was lamb.
Dammit!
Never mind. Gonna go over here now.
Posted by: Pug Mahon'
That joke was lamb.
Dammit!
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 09:47 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 14, 2024 09:47 PM (1n189)
892
>>It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
They saw a guy with a rifle on the roof of a building within range and did nothing?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (LkLld)
They were just following orders.
They saw a guy with a rifle on the roof of a building within range and did nothing?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (LkLld)
They were just following orders.
Posted by: Methos at July 14, 2024 09:47 PM (Dnobf)
893
I exaggerate but only by a little bit.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (bFId9)
The smaller and more islandy your nation is, the more nutso butso you are about what goes in or out of it.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (bFId9)
The smaller and more islandy your nation is, the more nutso butso you are about what goes in or out of it.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:48 PM (BAEGB)
894
AP
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (2eR39)
So 50/50 chance it’s accurate.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (2eR39)
So 50/50 chance it’s accurate.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 09:48 PM (B1dzx)
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:48 PM (JwHpX)
896
882 Since you know who did, tell us.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:43 PM (8sMut)
The guy from 2036 who went back in time to kill Hitler but got confused because his schools were run by retards.
Duh.
---
Is that a movie? Because it would make a good movie.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 14, 2024 09:43 PM (8sMut)
The guy from 2036 who went back in time to kill Hitler but got confused because his schools were run by retards.
Duh.
---
Is that a movie? Because it would make a good movie.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 14, 2024 09:48 PM (OCc3z)
Posted by: Miflin at July 14, 2024 09:48 PM (aA6YN)
898
TMZ: TRUMP RALLY SHOOTER
Seen Opening Fire ...
AND GETTING KILLED SECONDS LATER
https://tinyurl.com/47ha5dw9
I'm assuming the videographer was named Ross Whatareyoudoing because of the chicks screaming "RRROSSSSSS!!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOOOOING?!?"
Seen Opening Fire ...
AND GETTING KILLED SECONDS LATER
https://tinyurl.com/47ha5dw9
I'm assuming the videographer was named Ross Whatareyoudoing because of the chicks screaming "RRROSSSSSS!!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOOOOING?!?"
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 09:49 PM (gZfs2)
899
I do also wonder....
Will this incident be used to go after FLGS' and online sellers and other such things? "Demolition Ranch, who bought your shirts? We need the ENTIRE list." "Who bought tactical pants from Amazon in the last30 60 90 365 days?" Will they take it the Stasi route? Or will they let it wither on the vine? I don't see much hope for the in-between area.
Will this incident be used to go after FLGS' and online sellers and other such things? "Demolition Ranch, who bought your shirts? We need the ENTIRE list." "Who bought tactical pants from Amazon in the last
Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2024 09:49 PM (AWrpC)
900
They saw a guy with a rifle on the roof of a building within range and did nothing?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (LkLld)
Doing something is white supremacy.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (LkLld)
Doing something is white supremacy.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 14, 2024 09:50 PM (1n189)
901
"405 Plus you can't stop to turn on a red dot optic in the heat of a moment.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (7+K6"
For 1x red dots, if you can't turn it on and leave it on for a couple of years it's not worthy of serious use. Turn it on. Leave it on. Replace battery annually.
No dot on a long arm is dumb unless you're swimming or skiing or long range, it's just too big of a real world advantage. Handguns are different and a personal matter; you have to be willing to deal with the holster/mounting BS and the training issues. If you try and succeed it's a whole new world. I used to do most of my defensive handgun shooting at 25m with some at 50m; now I shoot out to 100m virtually every time I take the thing out. It is transformational.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2024 08:19 PM (7+K6
"
For 1x red dots, if you can't turn it on and leave it on for a couple of years it's not worthy of serious use. Turn it on. Leave it on. Replace battery annually.
No dot on a long arm is dumb unless you're swimming or skiing or long range, it's just too big of a real world advantage. Handguns are different and a personal matter; you have to be willing to deal with the holster/mounting BS and the training issues. If you try and succeed it's a whole new world. I used to do most of my defensive handgun shooting at 25m with some at 50m; now I shoot out to 100m virtually every time I take the thing out. It is transformational.
Posted by: somedood at July 14, 2024 09:50 PM (b2hcy)
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:50 PM (JwHpX)
903
Dang. At 40 seconds you can hear a man yell "OFFICER!" to inform law enforcement.
It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
You start yelling Gun! Gun! Gun!
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table
========
Gun! Gun! Gun!
My first thought too.
It was either inexplicable incompetence or an op. There are no other choices.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
You start yelling Gun! Gun! Gun!
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table
========
Gun! Gun! Gun!
My first thought too.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 14, 2024 09:50 PM (cOq4q)
904
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 14, 2024 09:45 PM (Ka3bZ)
And indeed, as far as the guy being bullied, a number of us here were bullied in school. Some eighth grade girls were my nemesis. I didn't make me grow up and feel a desire to shoot any political figures.
And indeed, as far as the guy being bullied, a number of us here were bullied in school. Some eighth grade girls were my nemesis. I didn't make me grow up and feel a desire to shoot any political figures.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2024 09:50 PM (Zy6LG)
905
Is that a movie? Because it would make a good movie.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 14, 2024 09:48 PM (OCc3z)
"He said he was a Berliner! Come on!"
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 14, 2024 09:48 PM (OCc3z)
"He said he was a Berliner! Come on!"
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:50 PM (BAEGB)
906
TMZ: TRUMP RALLY SHOOTER
Seen Opening Fire ...
AND GETTING KILLED SECONDS LATER
https://tinyurl.com/47ha5dw9
I'm assuming the videographer was named Ross Whatareyoudoing because of the chicks screaming "RRROSSSSSS!!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOOOOING?!?"
Posted by: Robert
Thomas Matthew Crooks was the shitheads name.
Ross is the name of a child that probably got his butt beat later.
Seen Opening Fire ...
AND GETTING KILLED SECONDS LATER
https://tinyurl.com/47ha5dw9
I'm assuming the videographer was named Ross Whatareyoudoing because of the chicks screaming "RRROSSSSSS!!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOOOOING?!?"
Posted by: Robert
Thomas Matthew Crooks was the shitheads name.
Ross is the name of a child that probably got his butt beat later.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 09:51 PM (elaR+)
907
They saw a guy with a rifle on the roof of a building within range and did nothing?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (LkLld)
They were just following orders.
Posted by: Methos at July 14, 2024 09:47 PM (Dnobf)
Trump was making really good points, they figured they'd let the guy get off a few rounds before warning Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (LkLld)
They were just following orders.
Posted by: Methos at July 14, 2024 09:47 PM (Dnobf)
Trump was making really good points, they figured they'd let the guy get off a few rounds before warning Trump.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 09:51 PM (n65KU)
908
Thanks for hosting Weasel, and thanks for the comments and insights Horde. This is a special place to be, especially at times like this. Til next week....
Posted by: Grateful at July 14, 2024 09:51 PM (IQ6Gq)
909
I've taken to using white lithium grease and Mobil One synthetic oil, 5W-30, on everything.
Posted by: LenNeal
The Paolo, how you say, says 'Please'.
55 gal drum
https://t.ly/2wIyT
Posted by: LenNeal
The Paolo, how you say, says 'Please'.
55 gal drum
https://t.ly/2wIyT
Posted by: The Paolo at July 14, 2024 09:51 PM (ZejGh)
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:52 PM (JwHpX)
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:52 PM (JwHpX)
912
I'm late to the thread so apologies if I repeat anything already discussed.
That photo that supposedly shows a bullet in flight:
I don't see anything;
That's Trump's left side but he was shot through his right ear.
Am I wrong?
That photo that supposedly shows a bullet in flight:
I don't see anything;
That's Trump's left side but he was shot through his right ear.
Am I wrong?
Posted by: Ciampino - Sun Update #17 at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (qfLjt)
913
906 TMZ: TRUMP RALLY SHOOTER
Seen Opening Fire ...
AND GETTING KILLED SECONDS LATER
https://tinyurl.com/47ha5dw9
I can’t take the screaming women.
Seen Opening Fire ...
AND GETTING KILLED SECONDS LATER
https://tinyurl.com/47ha5dw9
I can’t take the screaming women.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (B1dzx)
914
Reuters: Republicans, in wake of Trump shooting, seek to pin political violence trend on Democrats.
Pro Tip: Say NOTHING. Just play long montages of Democrats hysterically wishing violence on their political opponents.
No commentary, no hype, just play unvarnished demonic howling for death and violence from Democratic leaders, the Enemedia and academia.
Pro Tip: Say NOTHING. Just play long montages of Democrats hysterically wishing violence on their political opponents.
No commentary, no hype, just play unvarnished demonic howling for death and violence from Democratic leaders, the Enemedia and academia.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (rHxhM)
915
I can’t take the screaming women.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (B1dzx)
That's no way to talk about the secret service, sir.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (B1dzx)
That's no way to talk about the secret service, sir.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (BAEGB)
916
Reuters: Republicans, in wake of Trump shooting, seek to pin political violence trend on Democrats.
When the enemy says "But J6" you say "J-13" and drop the microphone
When the enemy says "But J6" you say "J-13" and drop the microphone
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:54 PM (rHxhM)
917
Took me 10 years to find 2 different oils that will last more than ~200 rounds with a suppressor in an AR-15 in any weather condition.
Posted by: somedood
Well. We're waiting.
Posted by: somedood
Well. We're waiting.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:54 PM (NzK/m)
918
No, Ciampino, you are not
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2024 09:54 PM (5MvGY)
919
I have been using Mobil 1 synthetic 5w-20 on my firearms.
Also Mobil 1 synthetic grease.
Also Mobil 1 synthetic grease.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 09:54 PM (elaR+)
920
Posted by: Ciampino - Sun Update #17 at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (qfLjt)
That’s just a shot that missed.
That’s just a shot that missed.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 09:54 PM (B1dzx)
921
Pro Tip: Say NOTHING. Just play long montages of Democrats hysterically wishing violence on their political opponents.
No commentary, no hype, just play unvarnished demonic howling for death and violence from Democratic leaders, the Enemedia and academia.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (rHxhM)
Trump should release a diss track, with him twerking.
No commentary, no hype, just play unvarnished demonic howling for death and violence from Democratic leaders, the Enemedia and academia.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (rHxhM)
Trump should release a diss track, with him twerking.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 09:55 PM (5PP+G)
922
I can’t take the screaming women.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (B1dzx)
-
That's no way to talk about the secret service, sir.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
--
HAHAHA
Close the thread
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (B1dzx)
-
That's no way to talk about the secret service, sir.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
--
HAHAHA
Close the thread
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:55 PM (2eR39)
923
DNYUZ: Colombia Faces a New Problem: Too Much Cocaine
https://tinyurl.com/4euwv2na
Does this mean we can expect to see the street price come down?
https://tinyurl.com/4euwv2na
Does this mean we can expect to see the street price come down?
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 09:55 PM (gZfs2)
924
I can’t take the screaming women.
Ever notice on these sort of events that white women scream, black women chant, and both white and black men cuss?
I wonder what group trannies fall into?
Ever notice on these sort of events that white women scream, black women chant, and both white and black men cuss?
I wonder what group trannies fall into?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:55 PM (rHxhM)
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:56 PM (JwHpX)
926
Also thanks as always Weasel.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:56 PM (2eR39)
927
No commentary, no hype, just play unvarnished demonic howling for death and violence from Democratic leaders, the Enemedia and academia.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (rHxhM)
Nice, long, unedited clips. Small disclaimer print on an otherwise black screen at the end as required by whatever bullshit fake laws. Hold just long enough for effect.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (rHxhM)
Nice, long, unedited clips. Small disclaimer print on an otherwise black screen at the end as required by whatever bullshit fake laws. Hold just long enough for effect.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:56 PM (BAEGB)
928
Damn. Gun Thread record?
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at July 14, 2024 09:56 PM (5DuyZ)
929
Who TF actually for real even looks for a 55 gallon drum of 'personal lube'?!!
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 09:57 PM (bFId9)
930
DNYUZ: Colombia Faces a New Problem: Too Much Cocaine
https://tinyurl.com/4euwv2na
Does this mean we can expect to see the street price come down?
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 09:55 PM (gZfs2)
Egad, I hope so. I'm tired of putting sugar in my coffee. It's not the same.
https://tinyurl.com/4euwv2na
Does this mean we can expect to see the street price come down?
Posted by: Robert at July 14, 2024 09:55 PM (gZfs2)
Egad, I hope so. I'm tired of putting sugar in my coffee. It's not the same.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 14, 2024 09:57 PM (5PP+G)
931
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 09:56 PM (2eR39)
---
Thanks for being here and participating!
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Thanks for being here and participating!
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 09:57 PM (JwHpX)
932
I can’t take the screaming women.
Posted by: polynikes
The Paolo, how you say, suggests you never choose The Paolo's profession.
Posted by: polynikes
The Paolo, how you say, suggests you never choose The Paolo's profession.
Posted by: The Paolo at July 14, 2024 09:57 PM (ZejGh)
933
856 When seconds count, the cops are only right the fuck over there across that little field watching you get lit up.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:40 PM (BAEGB)
Ouch baby. Very ouch.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:40 PM (BAEGB)
Ouch baby. Very ouch.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 09:57 PM (IFNME)
934
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2024 09:53 PM (BAEGB)
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Happy to play the straight man 😀
Good one
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Happy to play the straight man 😀
Good one
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2024 09:57 PM (B1dzx)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at July 14, 2024 09:58 PM (5DuyZ)
936
DNYUZ: Colombia Faces a New Problem: Too Much Cocaine
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Does this mean we can expect to see the street price come down?
Surely Biden will brag about how his policies brought down the sky-high costs of recreational cocaine.
Hunter approves.
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Does this mean we can expect to see the street price come down?
Surely Biden will brag about how his policies brought down the sky-high costs of recreational cocaine.
Hunter approves.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2024 09:59 PM (rHxhM)
937
I use the Mobil synthetic because it's the leftover in 5-quart jugs from changing the oil in my car, and I hate to waste it. I've got about a quart of new oil from the last 4 years or so, it should last the rest of my life.
The white lithium grease is 1) easy to get and 2) recommended to me by guys carrying lightweight 1911 Commander type pistols to prevent galling between different metals. Both seem to work fine.
The white lithium grease is 1) easy to get and 2) recommended to me by guys carrying lightweight 1911 Commander type pistols to prevent galling between different metals. Both seem to work fine.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 10:01 PM (bFId9)
938
"And indeed, as far as the guy being bullied, a number of us here were bullied in school. Some eighth grade girls were my nemesis. I didn't make me grow up and feel a desire to shoot any political figures.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2024 09:50 PM (Zy6LG)"
Yeah but being .. uh... 29 years old, you know... schools were different back then. None of this "well both sides are at fault" zero-tolerance bullshit where the victim gets punished as much as the aggressor.
I swear they do this specifically to drive these little pencildicks insane so they have a steady supply of them. Even kids of average intelligence who grow out of the barbarian phase in terms of morality have a keen grasp of systemic unfairness, and *years* of this crap will drive them nuts. And it's not like say Asian cultures where schools usually fail to curtail bullying but condemn it in principle - schools these days just are run by psychopaths who do nothing right and end up mentally twisting the students.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2024 09:50 PM (Zy6LG)"
Yeah but being .. uh... 29 years old, you know... schools were different back then. None of this "well both sides are at fault" zero-tolerance bullshit where the victim gets punished as much as the aggressor.
I swear they do this specifically to drive these little pencildicks insane so they have a steady supply of them. Even kids of average intelligence who grow out of the barbarian phase in terms of morality have a keen grasp of systemic unfairness, and *years* of this crap will drive them nuts. And it's not like say Asian cultures where schools usually fail to curtail bullying but condemn it in principle - schools these days just are run by psychopaths who do nothing right and end up mentally twisting the students.
Posted by: somedood at July 14, 2024 10:01 PM (b2hcy)
939
38 minutes into this metric football game the score is a resounding 0-0.
Posted by: blaster at July 14, 2024 10:01 PM (IFNME)
940
Egad, I hope so. I'm tired of putting sugar in my coffee. It's not the same.
Posted by: BurtTC
Know you know why grandma & grandpa could walk 10 miles to school, uphill, both ways in the snow. Drink Coca Cola!
Posted by: BurtTC
Know you know why grandma & grandpa could walk 10 miles to school, uphill, both ways in the snow. Drink Coca Cola!
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 10:02 PM (NzK/m)
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Nood. Very nood, like totally. You can see EVERYTHING!
Posted by: tankdemon at July 14, 2024 10:02 PM (VSht7)
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 10:02 PM (JwHpX)
943
38 minutes into this metric football game the score is a resounding 0-0.
Posted by: blaster'
Give it another hour, someone's bound to fall down pretending to be hurt.
Posted by: blaster'
Give it another hour, someone's bound to fall down pretending to be hurt.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 10:02 PM (bFId9)
944
38 minutes into this metric football game the score is a resounding 0-0.
Posted by: blaster
My dad used to say that was a big white sleeping pill they were kicking around.
Posted by: blaster
My dad used to say that was a big white sleeping pill they were kicking around.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at July 14, 2024 10:03 PM (elaR+)
945
Bullying didn't end. It just became illegal for normal people to instruct outcasts and deviants on appropriate social behavior.
THEY became the bullies, and have the law and admin to back them up.
THEY became the bullies, and have the law and admin to back them up.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at July 14, 2024 10:03 PM (2eR39)
946
Goodnight, Weasel.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at July 14, 2024 10:03 PM (Ad8y9)
947
There are countless news casters saying that essentially Trump's violent rhetoric caused this. Does anyone have a list of all of the violent rhetoric from Trump. Let's lower the bar here, how about one example... just one.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks
"Take his coat"
Posted by: Lemmiwinks
"Take his coat"
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 14, 2024 10:04 PM (cOq4q)
948
"937 I use the Mobil synthetic because it's the leftover in 5-quart jugs from changing the oil in my car, and I hate to waste it. I've got about a quart of new oil from the last 4 years or so, it should last the rest of my life.
The white lithium grease is 1) easy to get and 2) recommended to me by guys carrying lightweight 1911 Commander type pistols to prevent galling between different metals. Both seem to work fine.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 10:01 PM (bFId9)"
Any grease is usually going to be fine if it performs OK, but you really don't want to breath in atomized consumer motor oil. That $30 big jug of Mobil 1 is basically the same as the 8 oz fancy gun stuff, it's just the gun stuff isn't crammed full of zinc and calcium and various other crap.
I leave the leftover motor oil for preservative use, bolt actions, pump shotguns, and such. Took me almost 20 years to polish off the first half of a quart leftover bottle in that usage.
The white lithium grease is 1) easy to get and 2) recommended to me by guys carrying lightweight 1911 Commander type pistols to prevent galling between different metals. Both seem to work fine.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 14, 2024 10:01 PM (bFId9)"
Any grease is usually going to be fine if it performs OK, but you really don't want to breath in atomized consumer motor oil. That $30 big jug of Mobil 1 is basically the same as the 8 oz fancy gun stuff, it's just the gun stuff isn't crammed full of zinc and calcium and various other crap.
I leave the leftover motor oil for preservative use, bolt actions, pump shotguns, and such. Took me almost 20 years to polish off the first half of a quart leftover bottle in that usage.
Posted by: somedood at July 14, 2024 10:05 PM (b2hcy)
949
Was just looking at Insty's ON thread and there's a video a bystander made of the assassin crawling on the roof. The SS knew he was up there and did nothing. Also, checking out X and looking at all the frame by frame analyses of the shooting. If PDT hadn't turned his head to look at the immigration statistics chart when he did he would be dead.
Posted by: Tuna at July 14, 2024 10:05 PM (oaGWv)
950
"917 Took me 10 years to find 2 different oils that will last more than ~200 rounds with a suppressor in an AR-15 in any weather condition.
Posted by: somedood
Well. We're waiting.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:54 PM (NzK/m)"
It will vary based on your firearm finishes and climate so you just gotta try a lot of stuff. For cold/wet, cold/dry, and hot/dry, with a suppressor I like Slip EWL and Lucas, with Slip EWL doing a marginally better job. Slip 2000 and most of the newer CLP's is too thin and burns off too fast, while Slip EWL 30 (normally for crew served stuff) starts burning at a much lower temp and sludges up in AR's.
For storage and non-autoloaders in wet weather it's Corrosion-X 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. Best thing I have found for protecting blued and phosphate finishes.
Posted by: somedood
Well. We're waiting.
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:54 PM (NzK/m)"
It will vary based on your firearm finishes and climate so you just gotta try a lot of stuff. For cold/wet, cold/dry, and hot/dry, with a suppressor I like Slip EWL and Lucas, with Slip EWL doing a marginally better job. Slip 2000 and most of the newer CLP's is too thin and burns off too fast, while Slip EWL 30 (normally for crew served stuff) starts burning at a much lower temp and sludges up in AR's.
For storage and non-autoloaders in wet weather it's Corrosion-X 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. Best thing I have found for protecting blued and phosphate finishes.
Posted by: somedood at July 14, 2024 10:09 PM (b2hcy)
951
Probably ... 4 more months and I may be able to contribute more to gun thread discussions. In the middle of an extended relocation but when it's done there is a lot of shooting, reloading, and training to get caught up on as well as much better access to areas with really, really long shots. Think mile plus.
Posted by: somedood at July 14, 2024 10:12 PM (b2hcy)
952
1) If there was an unauthorized ladder leading to the roof that looked suspicious enough for a police officer to climb it, Trump should have been pulled off the stage until the matter was resolved.
2) We don't know if the shooter "sprayed' his rounds. That's a matter for forensics to decide. He killed on supporter in the stands and critically wounded two others. That's 3 out of at least five in the general vicinity.
3) Back to the ladder. That's part of a plan. His plan? Someone else's?
4) No one on the protective team took proper pro-active action. All we saw was reactive action. If there was an ROE in place, it was uhhhh ... defective.
5) I'm leaning to the idea that the shooter had training. He was certainly disciplined enough to make sure that everything he needed to get the job done was in place. The fundamentals: when he pulled the trigger, the rifle went "boom".
2) We don't know if the shooter "sprayed' his rounds. That's a matter for forensics to decide. He killed on supporter in the stands and critically wounded two others. That's 3 out of at least five in the general vicinity.
3) Back to the ladder. That's part of a plan. His plan? Someone else's?
4) No one on the protective team took proper pro-active action. All we saw was reactive action. If there was an ROE in place, it was uhhhh ... defective.
5) I'm leaning to the idea that the shooter had training. He was certainly disciplined enough to make sure that everything he needed to get the job done was in place. The fundamentals: when he pulled the trigger, the rifle went "boom".
Posted by: mrp at July 14, 2024 10:13 PM (rj6Yv)
953
Thank you, Weasel. The responses to my questions were much appreciated.
Posted by: EveR at July 14, 2024 10:14 PM (Z/h4+)
954
If PDT hadn't turned his head to look at the immigration statistics chart when he did he would be dead.
Posted by: Tuna at July 14, 2024 10:05 PM (oaGWv)
The open border saved Trump? God does have a sense of humor.
Posted by: Tuna at July 14, 2024 10:05 PM (oaGWv)
The open border saved Trump? God does have a sense of humor.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2024 10:15 PM (lX8VI)
Posted by: Weasel at July 14, 2024 10:15 PM (RG6z4)
956
675 Watch this. This is fucked up.
https://tinyurl.com/muwzs858
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:02 PM (LkLld)
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That is fucking ridiculous.
Posted by: Jordan61 at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (16NmB)
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WTF people, at least yell at him.
https://tinyurl.com/muwzs858
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2024 09:02 PM (LkLld)
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That is fucking ridiculous.
Posted by: Jordan61 at July 14, 2024 09:07 PM (16NmB)
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WTF people, at least yell at him.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 14, 2024 10:17 PM (2fIO4)
957
229
'he could have starred in a remake of Mask '
Mean.
But funny. And that's my favorite kind of funny.
'he could have starred in a remake of Mask '
Mean.
But funny. And that's my favorite kind of funny.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 14, 2024 10:19 PM (3wi/L)
958
TMZ account suggests a SS sniper had him in their sights, before the perp fired.
Posted by: javems at July 14, 2024 10:25 PM (8I4hW)
959
634 From the direction of Chappaqua, a faint, but growing, cackling sound can be heard on the evening breeze.
Posted by: Count de Monet
Picture of startled Hillary.
Caption: "What do you mean he MISSED???"
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (NzK/m)
I also saw one that said this attempt failed because all of the best hitmen are working for Boeing right now.
Posted by: Count de Monet
Picture of startled Hillary.
Caption: "What do you mean he MISSED???"
Posted by: rickb223 All conspiracy theories and spoiler alerts are on the table at July 14, 2024 09:01 PM (NzK/m)
I also saw one that said this attempt failed because all of the best hitmen are working for Boeing right now.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at July 14, 2024 10:32 PM (Y3woX)
960
939 38 minutes into this metric football game the score is a resounding 0-0.
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I was talking to some lads in a bar about soccer and when I mentioned that more people would watch if there was more scoring they responded with Americans don't understand the intricacies of the the more defensive minded game. Then I pointed out that they have a rule called offsides that greatly favors the defense and that it isn't some brilliant strategy that keeps the scoring down... Then the conversation devolved into complete stupidity after that.
These guys were Americans as well by the way. But they are better Americans cuz they like soccer.
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I was talking to some lads in a bar about soccer and when I mentioned that more people would watch if there was more scoring they responded with Americans don't understand the intricacies of the the more defensive minded game. Then I pointed out that they have a rule called offsides that greatly favors the defense and that it isn't some brilliant strategy that keeps the scoring down... Then the conversation devolved into complete stupidity after that.
These guys were Americans as well by the way. But they are better Americans cuz they like soccer.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 14, 2024 10:40 PM (OCc3z)
961
Did Joe say we were supposed to settle this with Battle Bots? I'd love to see that.
Posted by: Megthered at July 14, 2024 10:46 PM (W1XW9)
962
I heard that one female SS agent was busy trying to unholster her weapon.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (jdHxK
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Reminded me of Barney Fife. Ridiculous.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2024 08:38 PM (jdHxK
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Reminded me of Barney Fife. Ridiculous.
Posted by: Bigsmith at July 14, 2024 10:53 PM (6rxtt)
963
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Posted by: Pecker Wood at July 14, 2024 11:17 PM (Nwb/o)
964
I know I’m really late and y’all probably won’t see this, but my wife, spawn and I attended a Stop the Bleed course today. Very highly recommended. Look it up on the search webs.
Prayers for all at the rally that were impacted. Thanks for the thread Weasel!
Prayers for all at the rally that were impacted. Thanks for the thread Weasel!
Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at July 15, 2024 12:25 AM (sj0GE)
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Nearly 1000!
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