Hobby Thread - July 13, 2024 [TRex]

Welcome hobbyists! While you mourn the passing of Dr. Ruth and Richard Simmons, pull up a chair and sit a spell with the horde. Do not adjust your interweb. This thread is headed to olden days. A spin of the Ace of Spades wheel of hobbies has come up with a theme of family history and genealogy for this week.

Who am I? Where did I come from? How did I get here?

Have you traced your family's history? How far back does your knowledge go? Do you have famous (or infamous) ancestors? Have you done research on the web or books? How has family history been passed down to you (i.e., photographs, old family bibles, etc.)? Have you physically visited towns and places in your heritage? Where are your ancestors laid to rest? Do you have favorite sources or techniques for finding family history? Do you have stories of finding unexpected things in your family line? Has anyone unexpectedly contacted you in their family history search? Do you save and scan old photos? Do you have boxes of photos or family papers that need sorting, labeling, scanning, etc.? Do you have old family photos, but no idea who is in them?

Let's not turn this thread into a Jerry Springer episode with crazy family stories. We can also leave aside comments on Mormon theology or marriage practices. We're here to talk about family records and research and history. As usual, keep this thread limited to hobbies. Politics and current events can wait for other threads - even those involving candidate family dynamics. Play nice.

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"Dead people are easy to love. It's the living ones who are hard." ~ Laurence Overmire

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There is a lot to be said for going deep down the rabbit hole of boat passenger lists, census records, military service files, old maps, birth and death certificates, and old newspaper databases. In the era of technology and access to computers, more and more data is being digitized and recorded. On-line databases allow access to treasure troves of information from the comfort of your living room.

Another element involves the exact opposite - researching family history can be an excuse to go places and meet people you would never have been and met otherwise. We've met lovely people (not just family relations), walked numerous graveyards, met caretakers, been invited into homes, shuttled around farmland in a personal car by someone we just met, found charming villages and churches, and traced military unit movements. We like history and appreciate knowing more about our ancestors but genealogy has been a gateway to places and people.

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Top photo - the ancestral seat of the imperial House of Hohenzollern is Hohenzollern Castle, located in Baden-Wurttemberg in Germany. The castle was built between 1846 and 1867 and is more of a showpiece than an actual residence. It is one of Germany's most visited castles. The Ancestral Hall walls are decorated with the family tree. The dynasty goes back to the 11th century. Red colors on the tree belong to the Swabian branch and blue belongs to the Franconian branch. The descendants are listed on the walls up to the present day.

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Why Is Genealogy Important to Mormons?

Mormons, Genetics, & Digitized Data

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Search resources for those not sure where to start:

Do you have an ancestor that came through Ellis Island? Check out the free Ellis Island Passenger Search database. It has 65 million records of passengers arriving to the Port of New York from 1820 to 1957.

The Find-a-Grave website has an enormous database of cemeteries and those resting comfortably in those cemeteries. There are photos of many headstones and family information about other relatives.

FamilySearch is the free equivalent to Ancestry.com. It is run by the Mormon church. A free account is required to dig beneath the surface, but it can be a resource if you're looking for an easy place to start.

Top tip: if you're doing research, find primary sources - and validate where possible. If you're copying the results of others, you may be repeating and perpetuating mistakes.

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Headlines that didn't exist a century ago:

“A modern family: 20-plus sperm donor siblings find each other. “When we’re all in a group together, you definitely feel like you’re with your people,” Ryan Kramer said.

Sperm donor who fathered 550 children ordered to stop

Netflix's 'Man With 1000 Kids' puts a spotlight on the lack of international regulations for sperm donors

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Did you miss last week's hobby thread with an independence day flag theme? The comments may be closed, but you can re-live the content.

Notable comment from last week:

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Another notable comment from last week:

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Honorable mention comment:

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Words of wisdom:

"Because despite all our troubles, when things are grim out in that wide round world of ours, that's when it's really important to have a good hobby." Posted by: tankascribe at June 22, 2024 07:41 PM (HWxAD).

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If family history is not your thing and you have trouble finding something in the content or comments that resonates with you, you may be beyond redemption. In any case, hijack the thread for your hobbying as you see fit. We will feature a different hobby next time around. Send thoughts or suggestions to moronhobbies at protonmail dot com. Ace of Spades is not responsible for rotten parts of your family tree. Please do not leave unwanted family members at the hobby thread HQ.

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1 Welcome Hobbiests

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 05:30 PM (fwDg9)

2 I said "not many", not "no other place", LOL.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 13, 2024 05:33 PM (MeG8a)

3 Some time I should find out from my aunt the family history from my mother's side anyway. That's all been done long ago, just I don't have any of it

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 05:33 PM (fwDg9)

4 Top 5?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 05:34 PM (omVj0)

5 I play Warlord's Bolt Action WWII 28mm miniatures game and they just announced Version 3. So far from the stuff they have released the entire list building mechanics have changed. It appears I am going to have to paint up more officer teams for all of my army lists.

Luckily I have stashed extra figures in plastic boxes from all of my army builds over the years and more importantly, I have kept notes on what colors I used to paint them. Some of the armies I have built date back over 10 years. No way I could remember what colors I used back then.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 13, 2024 05:34 PM (QNSds)

6 Thank you for covering this topic and providing the research and resource information. There's still time for a 29-year-old to find out something!

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at July 13, 2024 05:35 PM (6KLK+)

7 In other hobby stuff, next week at this time will be at the Historicon miniature game convention in Lancaster PA, can't wait, going Friday and Saturday

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 05:36 PM (fwDg9)

8 I will post pictures from there

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 05:37 PM (fwDg9)

9 Miss Linda bought me one of those DNA things last year and she went into the search full force. There have always been gaps in my knowledge of my family's history -- my mother told me some things, my father almost nothing. Well, she found out stuff I'd rather have not known (and I'll be quiet about those as our thread host has requested). But I found and visited my father's grave, and I now know i have some Irish genes as well as the German, Swedish, and Ruthenian (read: Ukraine, I think) I'd always known about.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 05:37 PM (omVj0)

10 So, while I am awake…

My father’s background is straightforward. English ancestry, who knows when they got to American, regardless, they headed west and the family settled in either IL or MO. His family can be found on either side of the Mississippi in those states.

My mother? Forget it. We know where in Germany she was born and beyond that…we have determined that thanks to my grandfather’s side of the family there is a great deal of Eastern European ancestry. We have managed to pinpoint that, though he is (mostly) Czech he was born in a small town in what is today Hungary though we cannot find any Hungarian (apparently the Eastern European involves Czechia and points north and east, up to and including Russia).

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 13, 2024 05:38 PM (8sMut)

11 My great aunt was a librarian and spent all of her spare time researching family history and erasing the parts she didn't like.
There's another one over at the college, from the other side of the family doing the same thing.

Posted by: Braenyard, can't help himself at July 13, 2024 05:39 PM (aNKhG)

12 Does DNA evidence track with what you find through research?

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at July 13, 2024 05:40 PM (6KLK+)

13 JTB, if you're here: Smokingpipes dot com has Three Nuns tobacco on sale, 15% off, until 7/15. I just now found out. Ropp pipes are on sale too.

I've taken that G.L. Pease "Horizons" blend for a spin twice now, and I like it quite a bit: smokey, a hint of barbecue sauce, not too strong. And you get 2 oz. in the tin instead of 1.75, for $13.60.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 05:41 PM (omVj0)

14 My older brother was the genealogy guy. He never shared any of his research, so I have to assume the family was made up of also-rans and never-weres.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 13, 2024 05:41 PM (CHHv1)

15 If you have relatives who were in the military, they might be buried in a military cemetery. For that, the VA has a grave locator on their website.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 13, 2024 05:42 PM (8sMut)

16 I heard about Dr Ruth, but had not realized that Simmons had gone onto the big glitter palace. RIP.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 13, 2024 05:42 PM (y31cs)

17 I went with my family to get some food at the PA Dutch market.and was delighted to get a word search book on Bible verses. I was happy because my last word search book is left with Things like “N names from the Bible” which doesn’t energize me.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 05:42 PM (dhKg3)

18 6 Thank you for covering this topic and providing the research and resource information. There's still time for a 29-year-old to find out something!

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at July 13, 2024 05:35 PM (6KLK+)
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29?! You're way ahead of the curve. The sad thing about genealogy is that by the age family history is important to most people, those with the knowledge have passed. Talk to anyone and everyone around you when you can. Ask for memories, ask who is in photos, etc. Don't rely only on the computer databases. Best wishes!

Posted by: TRex at July 13, 2024 05:42 PM (IQ6Gq)

19 For my hobby, I'm up to about three minutes of animation. Even for computer-based 2D, that's a lot of work. Good thing the boss was out of the office.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 13, 2024 05:43 PM (CHHv1)

20 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 05:42 PM (dhKg3)

You are talking about a Concordance, right?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 13, 2024 05:43 PM (y31cs)

21 Many libraries contain genealogical sources. Not all are limited to local information. Some libraries subscribe to the library version of Ancestry. More versatile, more info than private versions, especially non-U.S. materials. Some require going to the library. Others allow accessing from home thru the library's digital services with your library card.
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Posted by: Mrs JTB at July 13, 2024 05:43 PM (zudum)

22 My parents met while he was deployed to Tokyo during the Korean war and she came back to the US with him. My daughter's mother-in-law is LDS and she was able to find a newspaper clipping with a picture of my mother from her naturalization ceremony in San Francisco.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 13, 2024 05:44 PM (/y8xj)

23 Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 05:36 PM (fwDg9)

Have fun, Skip. Lancaster is a nice historic town an they have a great farmer”s market. It should be nice to spend time with people who share your interests and skills!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 05:44 PM (dhKg3)

24 16 I heard about Dr Ruth, but had not realized that Simmons had gone onto the big glitter palace. RIP.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 13, 2024 05:42 PM (y31cs)
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Guess it qualifies as breaking news, but not the AoS flaming skull type of breaking news.

Posted by: TRex at July 13, 2024 05:45 PM (IQ6Gq)

25 16 I heard about Dr Ruth, but had not realized that Simmons had gone onto the big glitter palace. RIP.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 13, 2024 05:42 PM (y31cs)

This is new. My sis texted such an hour ago.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 13, 2024 05:45 PM (8sMut)

26 Yes, Find a Grave can have incorrect info in it, especially if you go back really far. Mom's side has a book back to arrival in Virginia. Working backwards from first direct ancestor, got to someone from 1577. Nothing further back than that.

Dad's side from Indian Territory, so not much available.

In reality, I don't care. No one older than my maternal great grandparents even had knowledge of me. Doesn't really matter. I'm not them, and they're not me.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 13, 2024 05:45 PM (0eaVi)

27 On my father's side, a hundred years, ago his parents came from an old eastern European country. (Weren't immigrants incredibly brave -- often just teenagers?!)
I suspect that only an in-person visit could unearth more information.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at July 13, 2024 05:46 PM (xNh50)

28 Willowed from the Pet Thread:

Wolfus,
Will
You take the kitties with you when you go exploring?
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 13, 2024

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Nurse, no, I think it would be a lot of stress for all of us. They can stay with Miss Linda. If she comes along with me, which I at this point doubt she'll want to, they'll have to go to a kennel (which means $$$). With two of us maybe we could handle them both -- as far as I know they are still fine about going into their carriers.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 05:46 PM (omVj0)

29 You are talking about a Concordance, right?

No. I have one of those , but this is a hobby thing where you find letters in a grid based on names from the Bible. You can also find- probably at the supermarket- other word search puzzles on movies or current shows, etc.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 05:47 PM (dhKg3)

30 My husband loved that stuff. And his nephew's son worked at Ancestry. Drove him crazy that I didn't care about my family history. We do have a document someone did in the 1920s about my mom's side of the family. But there's not really anything on my father's side. Guess they weren't interested in it either.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 13, 2024 05:47 PM (xjTDL)

31 Plan to stop at Shady Maple on way Friday

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 05:47 PM (fwDg9)

32 my little genealogy project:

https://github.com/Juncewian/Baptisms

crippled by earthquake, covid, and The Church deciding that since they've digitized everything now, the local churches don't need to hang on to microfilm anymore (the film i need won't be available digitally until at last 2063).

Posted by: anachronda at July 13, 2024 05:49 PM (edU/H)

33 Sometimes strange things can be found in primary sources. Once found in old church records a name in Latin and written upside down. As guessed, it meant the child was illegitimate or born early in a marriage and died.

Posted by: Mrs JTB at July 13, 2024 05:50 PM (zudum)

34 Huh, my maternal grandfather was born in Indian Territory. Don't remember him saying much about it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 13, 2024 05:50 PM (xjTDL)

35 Like most mutts I’m plaid. Bloodlines from all over, but most proud of S.C. ancestors from 1700s, some moonshiners, soldiers, preachers, farmers, but no damn lawyers. That I know of.

Posted by: Eromero at July 13, 2024 05:50 PM (LHPAg)

36 19 For my hobby, I'm up to about three minutes of animation. Even for computer-based 2D, that's a lot of work.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 13, 2024 05:43 PM
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I'd love to learn more about your project. At some point, we're going to do a hobby theme on some flavor of drawing, animation, film making, etc.

Posted by: TRex at July 13, 2024 05:51 PM (IQ6Gq)

37 My father and a very distant relative went deep in the genealogy adventure. Very good records on his side. Mom was adopted. Good records on the adopted fam. Mom tracked her mother down back in the early 90s. Had about a 90 minute phone conversation and no further contact.

Posted by: scampydog at July 13, 2024 05:51 PM (41CYW)

38 12 Does DNA evidence track with what you find through research?

the very first ethnicity estimate i got from ancestry closely matched the documentation i have. since then, they've been adjusting things and it doesn't line up so nicely anymore.

Posted by: anachronda at July 13, 2024 05:52 PM (edU/H)

39 My husband found a lot of mistakes on Ancestry, people having a child when 5, things like that. And it would get repeated in other trees.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 13, 2024 05:52 PM (xjTDL)

40 TRex- Beckoning Chasm has videos on YouTube

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 05:53 PM (fwDg9)

41 One of my cousins on my mother's side of the family did an in depth search . Started with the grandparents families in Italy, coming to America as indentured servants and out of servitude. She made a book for all the family members.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 13, 2024 05:54 PM (5MvGY)

42 13 ...
Wolfus,
Thanks for the heads up about the sale at Smokingpipes.

Just got word from a local pipe shop that they got some small batch C and D Eight State Burley in stock. It's not available very often so I will check it out tomorrow. I've been enjoying burley blends a lot lately and Eight State has a good reputation. I'll report on it next week.

Posted by: JTB at July 13, 2024 05:54 PM (zudum)

43 I have some relatives who were here before the Revolutionary War, but all as far as I know are from this area.

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 05:55 PM (fwDg9)

44 Like most mutts I’m plaid. Bloodlines from all over, but most proud of S.C. ancestors from 1700s, some moonshiners, soldiers, preachers, farmers, but no damn lawyers. That I know of.
Posted by: Eromero at July 13, 2024

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My paternal grandfather was a carpenter and stair-maker. The other grandfather worked for the Canadian railroad, and then when she was twelve or so, they moved to Florida (!) and bought a farm.

For various and mysterious reasons, I never knew my mother's parents were still alive when I was a kid. Miss Linda says, "Wouldn't it have been fun to go visit them in the summers?" My answer: "NO! They'd have wanted me to get up early and do [shudders] *chores*. Maybe if they'd had a homestead out West, CO or NM or AZ, and I could have learned to ride a horse -- but milking cows? In hot humid Florida? Uh, no."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 05:56 PM (omVj0)

45 12 Does DNA evidence track with what you find through research?

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at July 13, 2024 05:40 PM (6KLK+)
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Not really. DNA testing tries to match you with DNA characteristics of groups in various geographies. It makes a probability guess based on how closely you line up and what groups you line up with. Research is going to be more granular - dates of life events, locations of burial, military service, occupations, marriage, geographic moves, etc. The tricky bit of DNA testing is whether you opt to link up to others still living that appear to be related and/or learn about higher risk of hereditary medial issues.

Posted by: TRex at July 13, 2024 05:57 PM (IQ6Gq)

46 Huh, my maternal grandfather was born in Indian Territory. Don't remember him saying much about it.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 13, 2024 05:50 PM (xjTDL)

Could indicate native ancestry, which was sort of frowned upon a hundred years ago. I know great-grandparents' names, but never asked gma about them. Don't know anything about gpa.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 13, 2024 05:58 PM (0eaVi)

47 Just got word from a local pipe shop that they got some small batch C and D Eight State Burley in stock. It's not available very often so I will check it out tomorrow. I've been enjoying burley blends a lot lately and Eight State has a good reputation. I'll report on it next week.
Posted by: JTB at July 13, 2024

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I see it at SP also for that same $13.60. The Virginias and Orientals sound good -- those are in Horizons too -- along with the burley. No perique, and I'm glad of that. The one blend I tried with that Lousy-ana weed, Haunted Bookshop, I tried twice and gave away. Too cigar-like.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 05:59 PM (omVj0)

48 45 The tricky bit of DNA testing is whether you opt to link up to others still living that appear to be related and/or learn about higher risk of hereditary medial issues.

mrs. chronda found a long-lost half-brother who had been whisked away from her mother for adoption immediately after birth using dna.

Posted by: anachronda at July 13, 2024 06:00 PM (edU/H)

49 Genealogy is Mrs. JTB's forte. Some of our earliest dates were to the National archives going through microfilm and microfiche for old ship passenger lists and the like. If you ever get a hankering for eye strain, spend a few hours trying to focus on those screens. I'm not the biggest fan of technology but the computerized versions are a lot easier to scan.

Posted by: JTB at July 13, 2024 06:01 PM (zudum)

50 Legendary fitness guru, Richard Simmons, dead at 76.

Keith Richards still going strong.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 13, 2024 06:01 PM (NzK/m)

51 An interesting thing happened in a few families. Not too unusual for an unmarried mother to hand the child to an older married sibling to take care of. Sometimes when the unmarried mother married later or claimed widowhood and then emmigrated, the child would go with her.

Posted by: Mrs JTB at July 13, 2024 06:01 PM (zudum)

52 39 My husband found a lot of mistakes on Ancestry, people having a child when 5, things like that. And it would get repeated in other trees.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 13, 2024 05:52 PM (xjTDL)
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This is a huge problem. People copy results from others without confirming/verifying the underlying data. At some point, common sense has to take hold when things don't line up.

Posted by: TRex at July 13, 2024 06:02 PM (IQ6Gq)

53 39 My husband found a lot of mistakes on Ancestry, people having a child when 5, things like that. And it would get repeated in other trees.

when i first started playing with ancestry, i made a tree using mrs. chronda's account. eventually, i made m own account and my own tree. invariably, when ancestry tells me it's found a hint, it's to something i entered into mrs. chronda's account.

problem with juncewo is that it's a little polish village so rural that the germans didn't even bother to change the name when they took over in the late 1700s. not many folks out there researching juncewo.

Posted by: anachronda at July 13, 2024 06:02 PM (edU/H)

54 In reality, I don't care. No one older than my maternal great grandparents even had knowledge of me. Doesn't really matter. I'm not them, and they're not me.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 13, 2024

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OE, I'm kind of the same way. I didn't ever meet any of my grandparents or my parents' siblings, and anybody older than the g-parents passed away long before I was born. If I had known any of the grands, uncles or aunts, or cousins, it might be different, and I might be too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 06:03 PM (omVj0)

55 Are we sure we can't do Jerry Springer? I'll just tell some stories and see how they get categorized. My son had a family tree project at school and we used ancestry.com to help build it out. Stuff I did not know.

Here was an interesting fact - on both my mother and father's side there were family members who had the name Bonaparte. Pre-Civil War, one in Ohio, one in Florida. Aparently Napoleon had some fans in the US.

Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2024 06:03 PM (IFNME)

56 52 39 My husband found a lot of mistakes on Ancestry, people having a child when 5, things like that. And it would get repeated in other trees.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 13, 2024 05:52 PM (xjTDL)
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This is a huge problem. People copy results from others without confirming/verifying the underlying data. At some point, common sense has to take hold when things don't line up.
Posted by: TRex
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Ancestry has my great grandmother as a man.
She was hell on wheels but very much a woman next to great grand dad.

Posted by: Braenyard, can't help himself at July 13, 2024 06:04 PM (aNKhG)

57 I know only that I am the terminal node on the family tree

Posted by: Halfhand at July 13, 2024 06:05 PM (tYiVR)

58 My sister is the great genealogicalist in the family. My son has recently gotten the bug.

We have a saying: Sometimes we are dealing with hundred year old lies.

My sister just recently discovered a two hundred year old lie.

LOL. Great fun.

Here is an amusing story. My mother told me that General Ben McCulloch was my great (great) grandfather. Well, that was what she was told. When he was killed in the Civil War (I), his widow married his law partner.

So, about 40 years ago I read in Bruce Catton's Centennial History of the Civil War that General Ben McCulloch was a friend and neighbor of Davy Crockett. He went out to survey the enemy (Union troops) at the Battle of Pea Ridge, wearing some ridiculous velvet uniform and was quickly shot by a Union sharpshooter.

I asked my mother "If he was Colonel of the Texas Rangers, "a redoubtable frontiersman" how could he be also a lawyer in Little Rock?

She could not answer. My sister, in her research found out that a gentleman by the name of Joseph B. McCulloch was our ancestor. He got sick during the Civil War and died. I pray for his soul often. He was in the Alabama Assembly and voted against secession. But he still serv

Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 13, 2024 06:06 PM (+H2BX)

59 Also, as a Southron there are some...discontinuities... around the recent unpleasantness. For example, my grandfather's grandfather died in 1865 but he had a child born in 1872. This seems unlikely.

Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2024 06:06 PM (IFNME)

60 47 ... "Haunted Bookshop, I tried twice and gave away. Too cigar-like."

Actually I like Haunted Bookshop, both the blend and the Christopher Morley connection. But I find it is better if smoked very slowly in a small bowled pipe so the flavors come out otherwise it is a bit strong. Not a blend I would use for an hour's smoke. HB is one of those blends that people either enjoy or hate.

Posted by: JTB at July 13, 2024 06:07 PM (zudum)

61 But he still served.

Just remember this: We are dealing with hundred or two hundred year old lies.

Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 13, 2024 06:08 PM (+H2BX)

62 Also I have a book that traces the Genealogy of the Scottish side of my family back to Robert the Bruce.

Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2024 06:08 PM (IFNME)

63 One good thing is these genealogy companies have helped catch murderers.

Posted by: Minnesota Siamese Twins at July 13, 2024 06:10 PM (lN3aj)

64 When I was in the military, and went up for my secret clearance or a renewal, the one thing the government would flag me for was the fact my mother was born in Germany. “Why? WE WON THE BLOODY WAR!!!”

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 13, 2024 06:10 PM (8sMut)

65 My sister is the great genealogicalist in the family

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ISWYDT

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Women are more likely to accidentally kill themselves than be killed by a man at July 13, 2024 06:11 PM (LuU83)

66 Not all that long ago I decided to do the DNA testing with ancestry. Turns out I am the whitest person in North America. My ethnic portion is 2% Swedish and the rest is pretty much all English/Scottish/Irish (they combine English and Irish, Scottish stays separate. I find that odd.)

I am guessing the Swedish part is Vikings.

Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2024 06:11 PM (IFNME)

67 My sister is in the DAR and has often corrected some mistakes.

The Mormons have a yuge database. They, in their belief system, have been baptizing the dead.

They are a great resource, but...

Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 13, 2024 06:12 PM (+H2BX)

68 It was a good thing I had found out about my father's first family before I did the DNA test - the sister that turned up would have been a big surprise to me a few years earlier.

Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2024 06:13 PM (IFNME)

69 Family history?

Back to the 1300s in southern Germany. So what though, am an American. And a neko-grrl.

Nyah.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 13, 2024 06:14 PM (Dn9nA)

70 Not all that long ago I decided to do the DNA testing with ancestry. Turns out I am the whitest person in North America. My ethnic portion is 2% Swedish and the rest is pretty much all English/Scottish/Irish (they combine English and Irish, Scottish stays separate. I find that odd.)

I am guessing the Swedish part is Vikings.

Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2024 06:11 PM

I don't need to do a dna test as I know I am 96.64% pasty white boy Appalachian Scots Irish. Hillbilly roots run deep.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 13, 2024 06:14 PM (QNSds)

71 ISWYDT
Posted by: Moron Robbie

Any wit was not intentional.

Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 13, 2024 06:14 PM (+H2BX)

72 After Mrs. JTB more or less exhausted her research, she thought to try my family. Fortunately, my dad's side was pretty well covered. In 1939, some of the family combed through every available church and civic record and put together a book for the first 300 years since the first ancestor came to Quebec City. I didn't know it existed but when we talked to my oldest uncle he had a copy and let me make one for ourselves. It might be worth checking if some relatives have done something similar for your family.

Posted by: JTB at July 13, 2024 06:14 PM (zudum)

73 One good thing is these genealogy companies have helped catch murderers.

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It's bouncing off "not appropriate for this thread" but I disagree. The cops aren't catching anyone out of skill or abilities. The database of innocent people leads to them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Women are more likely to accidentally kill themselves than be killed by a man at July 13, 2024 06:15 PM (LuU83)

74 I was watching a Trump rally in Pennsylvania. What sounded like gunfire broke out and the crowd's reaction was appropriate for that. It's unclear if it was an assassination attempt. Trump is alive and being escorted off the premises. Total confusion.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at July 13, 2024 06:15 PM (2maI5)

75 Trump shot?!

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at July 13, 2024 06:16 PM (Vvh2V)

76 OE, I'm kind of the same way. I didn't ever meet any of my grandparents or my parents' siblings, and anybody older than the g-parents passed away long before I was born. If I had known any of the grands, uncles or aunts, or cousins, it might be different, and I might be too.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 06:03 PM (omVj0)

WA, my mom's grandparent's on gpa's side were still alive when I was born. Don't know if they knew I was alive or not, because they were in KS at the time they died and I was in CA. I was four, so I expect they knew about me, but I have no pix with them. Maternal gma's father died a month before I was born and her mom was long passed, I have to assume he knew I was coming, because he wasn't non-compos.

I knew mom and dad's aunts and uncles except for a couple of them. That's as far back as I can go with personal contact. The one in Durham Eng in 1577 may be family, but with FA Grave being sometimes suspect, who knows. He knew not me, and I knew not him, so even if he is who he's claimed to be, it doesn't matter.

No famous or infamous people in the tree that I know of.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 13, 2024 06:16 PM (0eaVi)

77 Blood around his right ear but he stood up and raised his fist. Seems not too serious.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at July 13, 2024 06:17 PM (AiZBA)

78 Actually I like Haunted Bookshop, both the blend and the Christopher Morley connection. But I find it is better if smoked very slowly in a small bowled pipe so the flavors come out otherwise it is a bit strong. Not a blend I would use for an hour's smoke. HB is one of those blends that people either enjoy or hate.
Posted by: JTB at July 13, 2024

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Well, I did have it in a small pipe, but I'm still (after three years back in the hobby!) working on slowing my cadence down. The odd thing is that I bought a tin of mild Romeo y Julieta cigarillos, and I find myself now and then chopping up part of one into an English blend and liking the combo. So maybe I can try HB again.

(As for the book, maybe my college library has it.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 06:17 PM (omVj0)

79 ‘There’s two kinds of people in this world, those with loaded guns and those who dig.’
- words to live by

Posted by: Eromero at July 13, 2024 06:17 PM (LHPAg)

80 Trump shot in the neck? at rally - breaking.

Posted by: Ciampino - kitten update #03 at July 13, 2024 06:19 PM (qfLjt)

81 Trump shot at PA rally!!!

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at July 13, 2024 06:19 PM (iODuv)

82 Posted by: Moron Robbie - Women are more likely to accidentally kill themselves than be killed by a man at July 13, 2024 06:15 PM (LuU83)

Oh noes the brother of a serial killer gave away his murdering sibling because he gave his dna to a data base.

Posted by: Minnesota Siamese Twins at July 13, 2024 06:19 PM (lN3aj)

83 Genealogy is fascinating to me. But, I have not delved into it much. I do know that my direct paternal ancestor arrived in Colonial America from Ulster, but not before being kidnapped by pirates and taken to the West indies until the clan paid the ransom. He then settled in Virginia (in the part that became West Virginia). Another ancestor was a red-leg in Washington's Army during the Revolution.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at July 13, 2024 06:20 PM (Ad8y9)

84 Dear Lord. Oh Kami-sama. Oh Buddha. Guan Yin

For Trump and his family.

For the scum, may you suffer for a million million years the flaming barbed c0ck of Shaitain. And then slowly eaten by the Saarlac.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 13, 2024 06:20 PM (Dn9nA)

85 Wow. Just wow. It is time to take out the trash...

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at July 13, 2024 06:21 PM (Cjkyf)

86 80 Trump shot in the neck? at rally - breaking.
Posted by: Ciampino - kitten update #03 at July 13, 2024 06:19 PM (qfLjt)

81 Trump shot at PA rally!!!
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at July 13, 2024 06:19 PM (iODuv)

the fuck??

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at July 13, 2024 06:21 PM (Ad8y9)

87 Turns out I am the whitest person in North America. My ethnic portion is 2% Swedish and the rest is pretty much all English/Scottish/Irish (they combine English and Irish, Scottish stays separate. I find that odd.)

I am guessing the Swedish part is Vikings.

Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2024

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I'm pretty close behind you on the "whitest" scale. German, a little Irish, Swedish and eastern European. No wonder I respond to BMWs, Irish whiskey (long ago and far away), Scandinavian furniture, and the cool-looking architecture of the (now gone) Norwegian Seaman's Church here.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 06:22 PM (omVj0)

88 The video
https://tinyurl.com/ybt6w3b2

Posted by: Ciampino - kitten update #04 at July 13, 2024 06:22 PM (qfLjt)

89 Trump seems ok he seemed defiant when they took him away but it looks like they clipped his ear

Posted by: The Grounded Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at July 13, 2024 06:22 PM (DBZuM)

90 I regret to write this. But I have been thinking that the IC will resort to assassination.

Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 13, 2024 06:22 PM (+H2BX)

91 This is Trump's Teddy Roosevelt moment.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 13, 2024 06:23 PM (Dn9nA)

92 Real America's Voice was carrying the rally. It's on Roku Live channel 194 if anyone is interested.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at July 13, 2024 06:23 PM (Cp1vk)

93 64 When I was in the military, and went up for my secret clearance or a renewal, the one thing the government would flag me for was the fact my mother was born in Germany. “Why? WE WON THE BLOODY WAR!!!”
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 13, 2024 06:10 PM (8sMut)
The military had to change some enlistment questions WW II era, a good number of Southerners answered ‘yes’ to: Have you or any member of your family ever attempted to overthrow the government?

Posted by: Eromero at July 13, 2024 06:23 PM (LHPAg)

94 The Praetorian Guard chooses the Emperor.

Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 13, 2024 06:24 PM (+H2BX)

95 My most famous relative: sixth-cousin Richard Nixon on my mother's side. He and I both descended from some Quakers who arrived in Pennsylvania about 300 years ago, and spread out from there all over the country. ("Nth cousin" means that there are N generations between you and your cousin's common ancestor, 6 in our case.)

Have gotten lots of help from the Mormon's resources (online and in person at their library in Utah), Ancestry.com, and relatives with their own resources. It's a fun way to have a hand in writing your own history.

Posted by: Robert at July 13, 2024 06:24 PM (GZKRS)

96 What is the procedure at a Trump rally as far as getting checked when entering?

Posted by: Mark1971 at July 13, 2024 06:24 PM (xPl2J)

97 JJ, sorry to enstompen the Hobby Thread.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at July 13, 2024 06:25 PM (Cp1vk)

98 SS snipers shooting back into the surrounding trees.

Posted by: Braenyard, can't help himself at July 13, 2024 06:25 PM (aNKhG)

99 The rule regarding staying on-topic for commenting has been waived.

Posted by: TRex at July 13, 2024 06:26 PM (IQ6Gq)

100 I want that fvcking 'sniper' taken alive and then waterboarded. On live stream so the whole world can learn

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 13, 2024 06:26 PM (Dn9nA)

101 Dear Democrats

Shooting a Presidental candidate IS insurrection.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 13, 2024 06:27 PM (Dn9nA)

102 119,749 people in my Ancestry Family Tree.

Posted by: RI Red at July 13, 2024 06:27 PM (T9WMp)

103 O Lord, protect President Trump.
Amen

Posted by: Eromero at July 13, 2024 06:27 PM (LHPAg)

104 Fox showing video and Trump seems OK, bloody ear maybe

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 06:28 PM (fwDg9)

105 I've done genealogy for decades. Much of the stuff on ancestry.com should be taken with a huge grain of salt. It is also a great place to find pictures of people you don't have. Photos make your tree more palatable to others.

Posted by: Blue-eyed devil at July 13, 2024 06:28 PM (oJvzj)

106 100 I want that fvcking 'sniper' taken alive and then waterboarded. On live stream so the whole world can learn
Posted by: Anna Puma
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I want to know who hired him. Rumor is his ear was hit.

Posted by: Braenyard, can't help himself at July 13, 2024 06:28 PM (aNKhG)

107 O Lord, protect President Trump.
Amen

Posted by: Eromero at July 13, 2024 06:27 PM

Amen.

Posted by: huerfano at July 13, 2024 06:29 PM (VGOMa)

108 That bullet had to stop somewhere. Any one behind PDT hit?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 13, 2024 06:30 PM (5MvGY)

109 OMG.

Posted by: Baldy at July 13, 2024 06:30 PM (3k2Mu)

110 I am praying for President Trump and his family.

This is fucking awful.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at July 13, 2024 06:30 PM (Ad8y9)

111 No famous or infamous people in my family line, alas. As a young nurse, my mother once scrubbed with famous heart surgeon Michael DeBakey, but that's the closest brush to fame any of us ever had.

Well, I did go to the same high school as Lee Harvey Oswald, albeit thirteen years later. And Ellen DeGeneres was only about four or five years ahead of me at our state college. I probably was taught by some of the same teachers she was. Conceivably LHO and I might have shared a career teacher or two as well. Unfortunately I didn't know that LHO had gone there when I was a student, and EDeG was not famous yet in 1971-75.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 06:30 PM (omVj0)

112 Just saw Trump whisked off. Blood streaming from his head. He was awake and alert and covered by secret service. News speakers said he was taken to hospital. Who knows.

Posted by: Megthered at July 13, 2024 06:31 PM (W1XW9)

113 The sons of bitches who have been stiring up their followers need to be dealt with, and that includes the media, politicians and most leftists. AND, especially members of congress. War.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at July 13, 2024 06:31 PM (iODuv)

114 Err, could use a new thread

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 13, 2024 06:31 PM (IG4Id)

115 Looking at a screen cap looks like he got shot in the face.

https://tinyurl.com/yunsmak2

Shit just got real.

Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2024 06:32 PM (IFNME)

116 The only way for the Communist's to win is by assassination.

Bastards !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at July 13, 2024 06:32 PM (38eU4)

117 Prayers for our Man and our Country.

They made no secret that they wish war upon us.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 13, 2024 06:32 PM (WXNFJ)

118 >>What is the procedure at a Trump rally as far as getting checked when entering?
Posted by: Mark1971 at July 13, 2024 06:24 PM (xPl2J)

When I went to the one in WI, there was nothing allowed in. Purses, bags, lighters. We were wanted and had to walk thru a metal detector. Secret service and fbi everywhere. This particular rally i ss at, was on the harbor on lake Michigan. There was a perimeter of boats keeping boats at a distance

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at July 13, 2024 06:32 PM (X/mOq)

119 The majority of my family tree is Scottish with some English and French thrown in. That's the extent of my knowledge.

Posted by: NR Pax at July 13, 2024 06:33 PM (lXCUP)

120 Well Trump def won the election now

Posted by: The Grounded Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at July 13, 2024 06:33 PM (DBZuM)

121 *wanded. Not wanted

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at July 13, 2024 06:33 PM (X/mOq)

122 Well, that is one way to get Biden out of the news. I thought the CIA had better snipers than that.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 13, 2024 06:33 PM (rHxhM)

123 Oh noes the brother of a serial killer gave away his murdering sibling because he gave his dna to a data base.
Posted by: Minnesota Siamese Twins

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+1

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Women are more likely to accidentally kill themselves than be killed by a man at July 13, 2024 06:33 PM (LuU83)

124 Newsmax said someone was tackled possibly where the shooting originated from, Trump's right side, they have it roped off with tape now.

Posted by: old chick at July 13, 2024 06:33 PM (F3Dlr)

125 This is what democracy looks like?

Posted by: Rex B at July 13, 2024 06:34 PM (5h/8D)

126 I looked at the video, blood was clearly visible on PDT's face. He remained defiant as the SS hustled him to his limo.

Surprisingly, the SS did an excellent job of putting themselves on PDT to limit exposure.

While I'm not surprised someone took a shot at PDT, I am surprised the SS did their job.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 13, 2024 06:34 PM (tT6L1)

127 I found my mom! She came over from France on the Liberte. I am a little misty.

Posted by: Piper at July 13, 2024 06:34 PM (p4NUW)

128 Blood was around his ear. I didn't note any recoil. If he was shot, it grazed him.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at July 13, 2024 06:34 PM (Vvh2V)

129 I watched the video, looks like it grazed him on the ear...we shall now soon

Posted by: runner at July 13, 2024 06:34 PM (V13WU)

130 This will be one of the most iconic photos in American history.

https://tinyurl.com/4kwrk8xc

Posted by: Mark1971 at July 13, 2024 06:34 PM (xPl2J)

131 Looking at a screen cap looks like he got shot in the face.

https://tinyurl.com/yunsmak2

Shit just got real.
Posted by: blaster

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And my president is holding up his fist with the flag behind him.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Women are more likely to accidentally kill themselves than be killed by a man at July 13, 2024 06:34 PM (LuU83)

132 They just made a fatal error.

Posted by: Allen at July 13, 2024 06:34 PM (w0iEP)

133 IF the USSS snipers are firing into the tree line then they failed to sweep and secure the area.

I have been to Presidential rallies. Every line of sight to the stage was covered.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 13, 2024 06:34 PM (Dn9nA)

134
I think we're only surprised it didn't happen sooner. It's been Years of Democrat violence directed at President Trump.

Posted by: Soothsayer is Axiosoothsayer now at July 13, 2024 06:34 PM (Go1ny)

135 About the only person in the drama dept. at state college whom I knew and who went into the field was Garland Riddle, who became a costumer on one of the daytime soaps; I saw his name on there. And I acted with Elliott Keener, who had a long but unsung career in character roles on TV and movies. He played the heavy-set cop in Angel Heart w/ DeNiro and Mickey Rourke.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 06:35 PM (omVj0)

136 Medivac?

Posted by: Braenyard, can't help himself at July 13, 2024 06:35 PM (aNKhG)

137 IF the USSS snipers are firing into the tree line then they failed to sweep and secure the area.

I have been to Presidential rallies. Every line of sight to the stage was covered.
Posted by: Anna Puma

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That was my thought as well.

They probably weren't involved, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Women are more likely to accidentally kill themselves than be killed by a man at July 13, 2024 06:35 PM (LuU83)

138 No! No! Anton Cermak was the target, not Trump!!

Posted by: MSM\ at July 13, 2024 06:35 PM (0eaVi)

139 The crowd are hurling invective at the media. The media deserve every bit of it.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at July 13, 2024 06:35 PM (Cp1vk)

140 My mother's father's family showed up in Boston in 1657' immediately high failed it up to New Hampshire, and each suffering generation moved deeper into the woods. Until 1910 or so, when one came down and married an Irish woman.
Everyone else on the other three sides were nothing special Irish.

Posted by: From about That Time at July 13, 2024 06:36 PM (4780s)

141 I want that fvcking 'sniper' taken alive and then waterboarded. On live stream so the whole world can learn

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 13, 2024 06:26 PM

The rubicon has been crossed. And some of us here feared that was going to happen.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 13, 2024 06:36 PM (QNSds)

142 Well Trump def won the election now
Posted by: The Grounded Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at July 13, 2024 06:33 PM (DBZuM)
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Assuming he survives until then...

FJB may be taken out by natural causes.

Trump might be taken out by enemy action.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 13, 2024 06:36 PM (BpYfr)

143 A close, to close, could have been a tragedy

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 06:36 PM (fwDg9)

144
Cocksucker howard dean goes on tv and implies it was Trump's rhetoric that caused this.

Posted by: Soothsayer is Axiosoothsayer now at July 13, 2024 06:37 PM (Go1ny)

145 That photo Mark

Sh1t that is so visceral. He is Rocky Balboa. He is bloodied. But he is not defeated.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 13, 2024 06:37 PM (Dn9nA)

146 God's speed President Trump.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at July 13, 2024 06:37 PM (2maI5)

147 Events, dear boy. Events.

Posted by: TJM's phone at July 13, 2024 06:37 PM (GBKbO)

148 well, they were definitely were aiming at his head, but...remember what JPII said after assassination attempt on his life "one hand pulled the trigger, another guided the bullet"..

Posted by: runner at July 13, 2024 06:38 PM (V13WU)

149 If the media wasn't biased, that fist pump photo with blood on his face would be on the cover of Time

Posted by: Shenanigans at July 13, 2024 06:38 PM (pZ0Mr)

150 They struck at the king and missed

Posted by: The Grounded Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at July 13, 2024 06:38 PM (DBZuM)

151 If you needed any more proof what we’re up against, this should clarify things for you. If it doesn’t, you’re useless.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at July 13, 2024 06:38 PM (Aoykm)

152
Well, when you can't put "hitler" in jail, and can't stop "hitler" from getting on the ballot, WHAT ELSE are they supposed to do?

Of course it was going to lead to an assassination [attempt, thank Christ].

Posted by: Soothsayer is Axiosoothsayer now at July 13, 2024 06:38 PM (Go1ny)

153 I am just catching up with the news now. I am so angry, and so scared all at the same time. Not sure that really describes it. But I do know I am in prayer for our president.

Posted by: Piper at July 13, 2024 06:38 PM (p4NUW)

154 Looking at a screen cap looks like he got shot in the face.

https://tinyurl.com/yunsmak2

Shit just got real.
Posted by: blaster

***
His right ear, I think, with blood smears on his face.

As somebody said above, a "Teddy Roosevelt moment."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 06:38 PM (omVj0)

155 His campaign will probably take in about $100 million over the next 24 hours.

Posted by: Mark1971 at July 13, 2024 06:38 PM (xPl2J)

156 The BS spin from the media/mouthpieces will be epic.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 13, 2024 06:39 PM (WXNFJ)

157 A close, to close, could have been a tragedy
Posted by: Skip

I am just sick. It's sickening that it happened and my heart is with PDT, his family and all the people that were terrorized at the rally.

Posted by: old chick at July 13, 2024 06:39 PM (F3Dlr)

158 Our family history is not hard to find, most of it is written in family bibles, including REALLY OLD ones, some in History books, The Domesday Book, some even in Shakespeare. Been here in the "New World" since 1650.Helped settle in the "New West"(trading with the indians, making a homestead near Cooperstown NY, before Mr Cooper), rode in the retaliation raids after the Cherry Massacre, fought in EVERY war since then, helped dig the Erie Canal, between planting and harvesting seasons(It paid .25 a day cash money, with a horse it paid $1, they walked there the 1st time, rode there the next, with extras). One of the 1st Captains in the US Navy, before there were ships...later, Captain of the US Constitution. Several members were officers of "Coloured Troops" in the Civil War. They also were connected to the Underground Railroad. Explored and opened horse/cattle trading to Texas in 1850(I have the journals, camped one night at the tumbled down, abandoned Alamo, but there was a German camped there with his goats, and it stunk so bad they moved on), brought train loads of horses back on a regular basis, until that Infernal Combustion engine contraption put that business under.

Posted by: birdog at July 13, 2024 06:39 PM (lWs+l)

159
Very interesting how team cocksucker biden/white house officially responds to this.

Posted by: Soothsayer is Axiosoothsayer now at July 13, 2024 06:39 PM (Go1ny)

160 It's fun to watch "Finding your roots" on PBS w/prof Gates. He and his team have developed some excellent resources/sleuthing skills, and they do a good job highlighting how everybody has heroes and hardships in their past.

A friend recently noted re: looking at the past: "It's easy to judge actions, it's harder to understand why choices were made." Think the downside of judging family or people from generations past is that you can't begin to understand the context, and what other options they may have had, if any. Sure, some things are easy to judge - like, say, a mass murderer. But there's a lot of gray area, too. For example, (hope I'm not violating the rules!) I am descendent of Hannah Dustin. She did something bad to survive - she killed her native American captors (she was a hero in her time). In the 2020's she's a villain. Oh well. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at July 13, 2024 06:39 PM (+oRno)

161 The rubicon has been crossed. And some of us here feared that was going to happen.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 13, 2024 06:36 PM (QNSds)

So. Many. Rubicons.

Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2024 06:39 PM (IFNME)

162 What is the procedure at a Trump rally as far as getting checked when entering?
Posted by: Mark1971 at July 13, 2024 06:24 PM (xPl2J)
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When I went to the one in WI, there was nothing allowed in. Purses, bags, lighters. We were wanted and had to walk thru a metal detector. Secret service and fbi everywhere. This particular rally i ss at, was on the harbor on lake Michigan. There was a perimeter of boats keeping boats at a distance
Posted by: My Life is Insanity at July 13, 2024 06:32 PM (X/mOq)
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Same thing in Wildwood. Couldn't even bring in a soda. My guess is this shooter hid out in the area, probably for days.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 13, 2024 06:39 PM (3ImbR)

163 Every one of us need to reevaluate how wise it is to be living behind enemy lines in a blue state

Posted by: The Grounded Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at July 13, 2024 06:39 PM (DBZuM)

164 If there was anyone of historical note in my ancestry, they kept it quiet. But the research can serve as a springboard to historical events and times. Also, it can turn up some odd things or humorous matters.

Turns out that one ancestor was the captain of a local militia unit during the battle of Quebec in the F and I War and faced a Highland unit on the British side. Fortunately, both sides couldn't shoot worth a damn. The Scot ended up staying in Canada and married the daughter of the French Captain. He was a very big guy compared to all the Frenchies and even had a nickname, in French, noting that. An interesting aside is that each generation after that have had a few unusually large folks. I'm one of them. And that also explains why I still have most of my hair. Many of my male cousins started going bald right after high school.

Posted by: JTB at July 13, 2024 06:39 PM (zudum)

165 CNN had a full clip of the event
DJT was talking holding up a chart, you hear multiple shots and he grabs his right ear, opposite side of camera and ducks down.

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 06:40 PM (fwDg9)

166 I like that PDT had his power fist in the air as the USSS tried to drag him off the stage.

Fuck these godless commie Democrats.
War.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 13, 2024 06:40 PM (ufFY8)

167 Good lord. I knew our country was rapidly disintegrating but this is terrible.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 13, 2024 06:40 PM (CHHv1)

168 Posted by: Piper at July 13, 2024 06:38 PM (p4NUW)

I have the same feelings and I say amen to all the prayers being said.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 06:40 PM (Zy6LG)

169 The BS spin from the media/mouthpieces will be epic.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 13, 2024 06:39 PM

cnn is already doing it.....Trump was "injured" in an incident.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 13, 2024 06:40 PM (QNSds)

170 Thanks for that photo mark. Definitely shows the Man Trump is. God Bless him

Posted by: My Life is Insanity at July 13, 2024 06:40 PM (X/mOq)

171 whoever did this should be torn to pieces

Posted by: runner at July 13, 2024 06:40 PM (V13WU)

172 On in 2920 Rally I went to there was metal detection and bad x-ray

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 06:40 PM (fwDg9)

173 Democrats are responsible for this. They've kept tossing rhetorical gasoline on the dumpster fire of mental illness which is their base. This isn't quite the result they wanted but, maybe next time.

The GOP has yet to learn, even though they've been shot at and beaten, Democrats are playing for keeps.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 13, 2024 06:41 PM (tT6L1)

174 "Well, Trump def won the election now"

Not so fast

Posted by: Gerald Ford at July 13, 2024 06:41 PM (7NtEI)

175 Daily Mail has a lot of pictures.

Posted by: bluebell at July 13, 2024 06:41 PM (bS+DD)

176 Post on X from someone at the rally said two people were lifeflighted out.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 13, 2024 06:41 PM (xjTDL)

177 The choice of patsy will be amazing. Surely some Christian/conservative/homeschool/Patriot Front/anti-big government/bubba/southerner.

Amirite?

Posted by: Tonypete at July 13, 2024 06:41 PM (WXNFJ)

178 AP: Trump escorted off stage by secret service after loud noises at rally

Die in a fire, AP.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 13, 2024 06:41 PM (evvc2)

179 In before the CrAZY KOnSpIracies start formulating. How long will it be before the Usual Suspects start saying this was all planned by #BADORANGEMAN!!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at July 13, 2024 06:41 PM (FmapG)

180 The secret service acted amazingly fast and courageous. I really am surprised.

Posted by: Megthered at July 13, 2024 06:41 PM (W1XW9)

181 Ready for war.

May God Damn Joe Biden.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 13, 2024 06:41 PM (YIxO9)

182 I have seen nothing the shooter was caught yet

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 06:42 PM (fwDg9)

183
You KNOW that the cocksucking FBI will tell us they found no political motivation and/or motivation is unclear

Posted by: Soothsayer is Axiosoothsayer now at July 13, 2024 06:42 PM (Go1ny)

184 climate of hate from the Democrats led us to this

Posted by: runner at July 13, 2024 06:42 PM (V13WU)

185 Fox News chyron: Incident interrupts Trump Rally

CNN Chyron: Trump injured at PA Rally

Now CNN brings on McCabe. Eff that guy in particular

Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2024 06:42 PM (IFNME)

186 Ann Coulter has a good chapter in her book about assassinations in the US and the Left. They or their offshoots commit almost all of them.

Posted by: Minnesota Siamese Twins at July 13, 2024 06:42 PM (rrmPi)

187 Fuck the left.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 13, 2024 06:42 PM (MSxPN)

188 This will be one of the most iconic photos in American history.

https://tinyurl.com/4kwrk8xc
Posted by: Mark1971 at July 13, 2024 06:34 PM (xPl2J)

And the DU paint huffers will claim it's all staged and shit.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at July 13, 2024 06:42 PM (Ad8y9)

189 I think it just grazed his ear. He touches his ear, then dives to the floor.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 13, 2024 06:42 PM (evvc2)

190
We just have no idea what the motivation was, but certainly not politics nor terrorism.

Posted by: cocksucking FBI at July 13, 2024 06:42 PM (Go1ny)

191 180 The secret service acted amazingly fast and courageous. I really am surprised.
Posted by: Megthered

I wonder if that's his private security

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 13, 2024 06:43 PM (MSxPN)

192 Horrifying news . . . but that pic of DJT striking at the sky with blood upon his face? Epic.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 06:43 PM (omVj0)

193 "Every one of us need to reevaluate how wise it is to be living behind enemy lines in a blue state."

I've got no problem with it. I've been itching to fight these fuckers for quite some time now.

Bring it.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 13, 2024 06:43 PM (Qt4kF)

194 Hey Dark Biden, you did this.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - if you can't pick your adjectives, how can you pick your pronouns? at July 13, 2024 06:43 PM (M3zoF)

195 Wow. I saw a reference to an event, with a picture of Trump with blood on his face....and came here first for the story! I can't wait to see what our friends on the Left say.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 13, 2024 06:43 PM (ycI94)

196 Notsothoreau, thanks. Bullet clpped PDT but had to hit someone else with all the people standing behind him

Posted by: Ben Had at July 13, 2024 06:43 PM (5MvGY)

197 Better than even chance it was a "spark of humanity" here illegally which took the shot at PDT.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 13, 2024 06:43 PM (tT6L1)

198 Gunshots or whatever...

NBC.

NBC said "the shooter is down"

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 13, 2024 06:43 PM (ufFY8)

199 Joe Biden wanted this. He tells people trump is a threat to peoples lives and freedom.

Will he give that stupid smirk when asked about this?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 13, 2024 06:43 PM (evvc2)

200 They know that Trump is winning, and more so that so is Trumpism.

Posted by: gKWVE at July 13, 2024 06:43 PM (UUui5)

201
Was alexander baldwin filming a movie bearby?

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 13, 2024 06:44 PM (Go1ny)

202 Democrats are responsible for this. They've kept tossing rhetorical gasoline on the dumpster fire of mental illness which is their base. This isn't quite the result they wanted but, maybe next time.

The GOP has yet to learn, even though they've been shot at and beaten, Democrats are playing for keeps.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 13, 2024 06:41 PM

joe biden is personally responsible for this. He and his campaign have turned up the Trump is hitler rhetoric to 100 since the debate disaster. they literally have called out the crazies to stop Trump.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 13, 2024 06:44 PM (QNSds)

203 I wonder if they are doping up Biden so he can give a speech condemning this. You know like an actual human should be, not like how Democrats actually are now.

Posted by: buzzion at July 13, 2024 06:44 PM (aRLgQ)

204 Trump got up and said "Fight".......Can't wait to hear his speech at the convention. CNN blaming it on Trump and Jan 6th

Posted by: jeff at July 13, 2024 06:44 PM (8qMs2)

205 Biden is now going to claim that all the times he fell was because he was shot at

Posted by: Wally at July 13, 2024 06:44 PM (7NtEI)

206 Cocksucker howard dean goes on tv and implies it was Trump's rhetoric that caused this.
Posted by: Soothsayer is Axiosoothsayer now at July 13, 2024 06:37 PM (Go1ny)

Fuck him.
He needs a hundred thousand emails crushing his system all telling him to go fuck himself.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 13, 2024 06:44 PM (W/lyH)

207 May God Damn Joe Biden.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 13, 2024 06:41 PM (YIxO9)

He's done it to himself.

Posted by: MSM\ at July 13, 2024 06:44 PM (0eaVi)

208 Ann Coulter has a good chapter in her book about assassinations in the US and the Left. They or their offshoots commit almost all of them.
Posted by: Minnesota Siamese Twins at July 13, 2024

***
Who was it who shot at TR -- the famous incident where the folded pages of his speech stopped the bullet from getting to his heart, and he went ahead and made the speech before going to the hospital? (At least, that's the story I've always heard.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (omVj0)

209 8 shots fired per Newsmax

Posted by: Lizzy at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (+oRno)

210 I would think the crowd would have grabbed the shooter

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (fwDg9)

211 IF the USSS snipers are firing into the tree line then they failed to sweep and secure the area.

Knowing the Biden death junta, they probably assigned the lowest scoring DEI agents to Trump's detail.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (rHxhM)

212 Associates with Paleostinians climbed into bed with the Nazis just to keep access to Germany.

They have always been evil.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (Dn9nA)

213 186 Ann Coulter has a good chapter in her book about assassinations in the US and the Left. They or their offshoots commit almost all of them.
Posted by: Minnesota Siamese Twins

And what's left are disgruntled scum-sucking office-seekers, which is pretty much where most Leftists start from too.

Posted by: gKWVE at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (UUui5)

214 ***
His right ear, I think, with blood smears on his face.

As somebody said above, a "Teddy Roosevelt moment."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius,
--------------------------

The bloody scratches on his face could be caused by his face hitting the floor. I'm familiar with that.

Posted by: Braenyard, can't help himself at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (aNKhG)

215 Maybe if Dems and the media (same) didn't spend the past ten years telling us that Trump was Hitler 2.0 and that anyone who supports him is a LITERAL nazi we wouldn't have nutjobs try to assassinate him.

Maybe if they just said "we don't like this guy's immigration policies and pro-national stances" we wouldn't be dealing with this right now.

Posted by: Shenanigans at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (pZ0Mr)

216 I'm so fucking pissed right now

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (MSxPN)

217
Motive Unclear.

Posted by: cocksucking FBI at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (Go1ny)

218 Small calibre?

Posted by: occam's brassiere at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (W9ZQN)

219 This is the first rally I decided to watch. .God help us

Posted by: It's me donna at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (IyPmt)

220 TRex,

Understandably, I suspect the hobby thread will be overtaken by the assassination attempt on Trump. Maybe we can revisit the topic another time.

Posted by: JTB at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (zudum)

221 Yeah it looks like it grazed just above his ear. He slapped at it, like he'd been stung. People on X that I follow are pissed.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 13, 2024 06:46 PM (xjTDL)

222 Feds.

Posted by: DaisyB at July 13, 2024 06:46 PM (wFRBu)

223 The bloody scratches on his face could be caused by his face hitting the floor. I'm familiar with that.
Posted by: Braenyard, can't help himself at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (aNKhG)

He reached for his ear so it wasn't the fall

Posted by: It's me donna at July 13, 2024 06:46 PM (IyPmt)

224 Squeaky Fromm, Manson disciple.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 13, 2024 06:46 PM (Dn9nA)

225 Who was it who shot at TR -- the famous incident where the folded pages of his speech stopped the bullet from getting to his heart, and he went ahead and made the speech before going to the hospital? (At least, that's the story I've always heard.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (omVj0)

I think you were still just as likely or more likely to die from the surgery to remove the bullet at that time in history than to just leave it alone.

Posted by: buzzion at July 13, 2024 06:46 PM (aRLgQ)

226 And that's not all, Tom Harkin - we'll shoot him in South Dakota! YEAAAGGH

Posted by: Howard Dean at July 13, 2024 06:46 PM (UUui5)

227 Could it have been an air gun? A BB or pellet might make a wound like that on the ear.

Posted by: Mark1971 at July 13, 2024 06:46 PM (xPl2J)

228 Let me save everyone the time of what the response will be to this

Staged

Trump did it to himself because he’s so full of hate

We need to ban guns

Posted by: The Grounded Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at July 13, 2024 06:46 PM (DBZuM)

229 I would think the crowd would have grabbed the shooter

Or evacuated the immediate area to so as not to be collateral damage from the SS snipers shooting "in the general direction" of the shot.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 13, 2024 06:46 PM (rHxhM)

230 Gotta go. Expect a lively ONT. Hopefully, there'll be more information.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 13, 2024 06:46 PM (0eaVi)

231 Hobby thread will be rescheduled. Thanks to all for playing. New DJT thread posted. I repeat - nood.

Posted by: TRex at July 13, 2024 06:47 PM (IQ6Gq)

232 RSBN could be doing a better job of getting images up to screen.

Posted by: Braenyard, can't help himself at July 13, 2024 06:47 PM (aNKhG)

233 Have Newsmax on, had CNN before as was watching the press conference on it. The clip on CNN sounds like small caliber shots

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 06:47 PM (fwDg9)

234 ABC already downplaying.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 13, 2024 06:47 PM (MSxPN)

235 193:Bea Arthur's Dick at July 13, 2024 06:43 PM (Qt4kF)

LoL!! Your nic is disturbing.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at July 13, 2024 06:47 PM (FmapG)

236 So, Mr Strock, got any new insurance policies you want to discuss with your side piece slattern?

Posted by: Joe Kidd at July 13, 2024 06:47 PM (RMN7W)

237 No matter what happened, this is a stupid, stupid, stupid move. You do not turn your enemies into martyrs and you don’t make moves to fire up the base and cause them to rally.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 13, 2024 06:47 PM (8sMut)

238 Apparently first CNN headline was "Trump escorted off stage after he falls at rally"

Posted by: blaster at July 13, 2024 06:48 PM (IFNME)

239 Eight shots fired and only one sort-of maybe grazed the target? Was the shooter holding his piece sideways?

Posted by: Howard Dean at July 13, 2024 06:48 PM (UUui5)

240 Motive Unclear.
Posted by: cocksucking FBI

It was an assassination attempt on the former President of the United States of America.

Correct every lousy blog post, news station, democrat, etc that tries to minimize this.

Posted by: old chick at July 13, 2024 06:48 PM (F3Dlr)

241 Friend sent me an X link. Trump on stage, surrounded by SS. Pushes through them enough for the crowd to see him. Pumped his fist and appeared to be shouting "fight, fight."
Blood right side of head just above and in front of ear.
Small phone screen so...

Posted by: TeeJ at July 13, 2024 06:48 PM (xZpzx)

242 Vice president Trump has been shot

Posted by: Moron Robbie - if you can't pick your adjectives, how can you pick your pronouns? at July 13, 2024 06:48 PM (M3zoF)

243 The MSM won't be able to bury this like they did the Hodgkinson guy though they will try their hardest. If Hodgkinson was on the Right and shot Dems congressman they would still be reporting on it.

Posted by: Minnesota Siamese Twins at July 13, 2024 06:49 PM (rrmPi)

244 The TR assassination attempt: "On October 14, 1912, while arriving at a campaign event in Milwaukee, Roosevelt was shot in front of the Gilpatrick Hotel by delusional saloonkeeper John Schrank, who believed the ghost of assassinated president William McKinley had directed him to kill Roosevelt." (Wiki)

Schrank was apparently not a leftist, just a nut.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 13, 2024 06:49 PM (omVj0)

245 ABC already downplaying

-

Yep.

"is it a ricochet or some other device?"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - if you can't pick your adjectives, how can you pick your pronouns? at July 13, 2024 06:49 PM (M3zoF)

246 ABC already downplaying.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 13, 2024 06:47 PM (MSxPN)

LOUD NOISES!!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at July 13, 2024 06:49 PM (Ad8y9)

247 I think Charlton Heston pretty well sums up my feelings towards the actual triggerman and those who fueled the fires and try to justify this evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--7LaOH44qc

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 13, 2024 06:50 PM (Dn9nA)

248 It was the Russians, duh

Posted by: Moron Robbie - if you can't pick your adjectives, how can you pick your pronouns? at July 13, 2024 06:50 PM (M3zoF)

249 Schrank was apparently not a leftist, just a nut.

*********

Is there a difference?

Posted by: The Grounded Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at July 13, 2024 06:50 PM (DBZuM)

250 CNN had a full clip of the event
DJT was talking holding up a chart, you hear multiple shots and he grabs his right ear, opposite side of camera and ducks down.
Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 06:40 PM (fwDg9)
~~~~~

Newsmax was carrying it live. CNN can go to hell. They are the cause, along with all the others--MSNBC, The View, etc. Their constant, hateful rhetoric caused this. I hope they all burn in hell.

God forgive me.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 13, 2024 06:50 PM (3ImbR)

251 n00d thread for the shooting

Posted by: buzzion at July 13, 2024 06:50 PM (aRLgQ)

252 So this is in Pennsylvania, right?

I guess it's not in play any longer.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - if you can't pick your adjectives, how can you pick your pronouns? at July 13, 2024 06:51 PM (M3zoF)

253 Britt Hume is an absolute motherfuck scumbag piece of shit

Go get ass cancer you s&m freak fuck

That is all

Posted by: The Grounded Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at July 13, 2024 06:51 PM (DBZuM)

254 239 Eight shots fired and only one sort-of maybe grazed the target? Was the shooter holding his piece sideways?
Posted by: Howard Dean at July 13, 2024 06:48 PM (UUui5)

It was me!

Posted by: Zombie dude hiding in a bathroom with a hand cannon in Pulp Fiction at July 13, 2024 06:51 PM (8sMut)

255 The media will shrug this off, then tell us it was Trump who brought it on himself followed by damnation of him and his supporters and a call to put us all in the proverbial camps.

To save democracy.

Oh, and cancel the "election." Too dangerous with fanatical MAGA running around.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 13, 2024 06:51 PM (Q4IgG)

256 MTG says people shot at the rally, one possible fatality. Might be the shooter as the SS was heard to say "shooter is down"

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 13, 2024 06:51 PM (xjTDL)

257 Just heard the news. Dear Lord, help us all. How badly was the other person hurt?

On topic, and probably about to be willowed- if you can't stomach paying the yearly fee for Ancestry, check with your library (or systems nearby) and see if they have a link available to AncestryLibrary through their geneaology service.

Posted by: barkingmad59, wandering lurkette at July 13, 2024 06:52 PM (t8L50)

258 195 Wow. I saw a reference to an event, with a picture of Trump with blood on his face....and came here first for the story! I can't wait to see what our friends on the Left say.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 13, 2024 06:43 PM (ycI94)

===

That is a flash flag.

Posted by: TJM's phone at July 13, 2024 06:52 PM (GBKbO)

259 163 Every one of us need to reevaluate how wise it is to be living behind enemy lines in a blue state

I can't leave right now. And if things go badly, I will not be peaceful.

Posted by: NR Pax at July 13, 2024 06:52 PM (lXCUP)

260 You should see the sick and nasty comments on Facebook.

Should it ever come down to CWII, no, I will have no problem firing on the opposition. I will not call them Americans or fellow citizens.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 13, 2024 06:52 PM (NzK/m)

261 I'm so fucking pissed right now
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 13, 2024 06:45 PM (MSxPN)
~~~~~

Right there with you, nurse. Anger, hatred and anguish.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 13, 2024 06:52 PM (3ImbR)

262 Pres. Trump just released a statement that he is fine.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 13, 2024 06:53 PM (3ImbR)

263 If everyone had to be screened and wanded, then it's time for conspiracy theories.

Posted by: laurainMD at July 13, 2024 06:54 PM (ydDAm)

264 260 I will not call them Americans or fellow citizens.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 13, 2024 06:52 PM (NzK/m)

I won't even think of them as human.

Posted by: NR Pax at July 13, 2024 06:57 PM (lXCUP)

265 201
Was alexander baldwin filming a movie bearby?
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 13, 2024 06:44 PM (Go1ny)

A little bit of humor in tense times always helps.

Thank you!

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at July 13, 2024 06:57 PM (QGaXH)

266 I think you were still just as likely or more likely to die from the surgery to remove the bullet at that time in history than to just leave it alone.
Posted by: buzzion at July 13, 2024 06:46 PM (aRLgQ)

TR figured that if he wasn't coughing blood he was OK. Seriously.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 13, 2024 06:59 PM (D7oie)

267 Musk:

Elon Musk @elonmusk
I fully endorse President Trump and hope for his rapid recovery

https://tinyurl.com/4zcuwpae
12-second video of the defiant President.

Posted by: andycanuck (Jh5b+) at July 13, 2024 07:06 PM (Jh5b+)

268 I love how they assume there was only one shooter.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at July 13, 2024 07:12 PM (Vvh2V)

269 Ear closeup photo:

https://tinyurl.com/4zch8562

photo

Posted by: andycanuck (Jh5b+) at July 13, 2024 07:14 PM (Jh5b+)

270 Actual headline on WaPo: “Trump escorted off stage after loud noises”

CNN used "Trump rushed off stage at rally as bangs heard."

Posted by: andycanuck (Jh5b+) at July 13, 2024 07:16 PM (Jh5b+)

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