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The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition
The issue dates back to April 2023 when the California Air Resources Board (CARB), the state's lead environmental regulator, passed a first-of-its-kind rule requiring rail operators to begin transitioning their freight train fleets in the state to zero-emissions technology. CARB chair Liane Randolph said at the time that the rule is part of the California's plan to decarbonize its entire transportation sector. Under CARB's rule, beginning in 2030, all locomotive engines older than 23 years will be banned on a rolling basis. In addition, the rule requires all new switch, industrial, and passenger locomotives to be zero emissions that same year while requiring new freight line haul to be zero emissions by 2035.Freight locomotives are massive, incredibly powerful machines that are actually quite efficient. Most of them are diesel-electric, so the diesel engine can be run efficiently while powering the electric engines. 4,000 horsepower, and full torque at 0 RPM. They are amazing. Three or four or five of those can pull freight trains of more than a mile long with ease, and no ugly expensive and fragile overhead power lines needed! Putting those long trains together in train yards is a complex undertaking, and requires switching engines across the vast spaces and many sidings of those train yards. Yes, there are battery-powered switchers, but they aren't as powerful or as fast as the normal ones. And just how overhead power could be supplied to a massive train yard is a question for Rube Goldberg. As usual, these pie-in-the-sky plans run generations behind the infrastructure that is required to implement them. Look at the logistical and practical mess of EVs for passengers if you want a hint of the economy-crushing demands of an electric train system. But that doesn't matter to California. The virtue-signalling emerging from the Mandarins in Sacramento is second to none! They are the unchallenged masters of unworkable plans shoved down our throats. And sadly, because CA is the largest state, their regulations leak into the rest of the country. I wonder how long it will take for the good people of California to realize that electric trains are a boondoggle that will dwarf the EVs that can't make a 150 mile trip, catch fire, burn forever, and cost many multiples of ICE cars to repair? Imagine an electric train that unexpectedly stops in a city, cutting off several crossings. And now add a battery fire to the mix. I'll bring the popcorn. [Crossposted at CutJibNewsletter]
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 16, 2024 11:00 AM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at May 16, 2024 11:00 AM (O7YUW)
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 11:01 AM (h4Cdp)
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at May 16, 2024 11:01 AM (O7YUW)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Skip at May 16, 2024 11:02 AM (veoBA)
Posted by: BignJames at May 16, 2024 11:02 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2024 11:02 AM (CsUN+)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Henry at May 16, 2024 11:03 AM (S8b3+)
Not only will they have to deal with the government suddenly banning things the left wants (and you could *easily* make cities unlivable with a few regulations) but they would likely start trying to limit fedgovs regulatory power.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 16, 2024 11:03 AM (ibTVg)
This sounds like one of those One Belt One Road China infrastructure deals.
Where are they getting the trains?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 16, 2024 11:03 AM (cCVOS)
Bureaucracy is to rape the taxpayers
Leftifornia will eventually get the Marxists to pay for their theft
Posted by: Skip at May 16, 2024 11:04 AM (veoBA)
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Mandate only EV Aircraft next!
"The forecast for today is Raining Planes, 'Copters, and Goodyear Blimps ..."
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 11:04 AM (h4Cdp)
Assuming, of course, that published CA vote totals have any bearing on the actual votes of citizens in CA. I suspect CA based citizens have been voting to end this shit for some time now.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 16, 2024 11:04 AM (ibTVg)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)
Where are they getting the trains?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 16, 2024 11:03 AM (cCVOS)
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Newsom is so far up Xi's ass that Queen LeBron first had to be shat out of it.
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 11:05 AM (h4Cdp)
They don't want diesel powered anything. Trains, big trucks, etc. and probably not even farm tractors. Let them have their way. But everything stops at their border with other states.
Also, why does the other 49 states bow down before California's CARB? Screw them.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 16, 2024 11:05 AM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 16, 2024 11:06 AM (ufFY8)
Posted by: Henry at May 16, 2024 11:06 AM (S8b3+)
It is only reasonable to design such a system, however. That is, it can be made to work - the economics of it depend on line distance, power infrastructure, etc., but it technically works and works well - if the system is designed for it. Retrofitting is hugely expensive and often totally unworkable. This stuff takes *space.* The towers holding the overhead lines have to go somewhere, which is next to track. In the middle of nowhere, this is pretty easy (if expensive and often requiring corrupt use of eminent domain) but in an industrial area or switchyard? Fuhgeddit about it. Even electrified systems often have fuel-powered switch engines, etc.
And CA isn't known for not having power shortages. Or for having low crime. As usual nowadays, look to South Africa for the future. ZA's rail system has essentially died. The electricity is unreliable and thieves have stolen a lot of the overhead power infrastructure to sell for scrap. Once a line is knocked out and can't be easily or quickly fixed, they even steal the rail to sell for scrap.
CA isn't there yet, but it will be. This will just accelerate the failure of CA railroads.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 16, 2024 11:06 AM (d04cU)
Like a badly functioning septic tank, the Bay Area will perish in filth and malodorous air from its self-inflected "improvements".
Ain't enough Rid-X to fix THAT problem!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 16, 2024 11:06 AM (MC++G)
It would take some effort, naturally, but there is none.
Truckers saying FU, we won’t deliver to California. Santa Fe saying FU, etc. No crude oil deliveries.
Play with your rechargeable choo choos, Fags.
Posted by: Common Tater at May 16, 2024 11:07 AM (aPa7n)
How about electrifying the tracks? Nope, nope, nope...a hobo might get killed.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 16, 2024 11:07 AM (WPL6O)
"The forecast for today is Raining Planes, 'Copters, and Goodyear Blimps ..."
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 11:04 AM (h4Cdp)\
I have empaneled a Special Blue Ribbon Commission to Investigate the Disparate Impact of Gravity on BIPOC peoples.
Posted by: Gavin Newsom at May 16, 2024 11:07 AM (PiwSw)
I'll bring the popcorn.
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"Marshmallow Roast!"
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 11:07 AM (h4Cdp)
Also, why does the other 49 states bow down before California's CARB? Screw them.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 16, 2024 11:05 AM (N39Ws)
Do they?
The auto manufacturers have always built 3 versions of vehicles. California emissions, US emissions then the rest of the world.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)
The idiots who promulgate this nonsense are typical of our modern-day "educated" class. They have no idea how things work, or how they're made, or how they get from A to B. They've never been on a farm, or in a plant, or on a shop floor.
They went to a Marxist monastery and were passed out with a soft degree. They congregate in urban centers where everything is delivered. They understand nothing. All they do is sit on their asses conjuring incredibly damaging policies.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 16, 2024 11:07 AM (MoZTd)
The California Plan envisions doing away with locomotives altogether. The intend to attach harnesses to the front of a chain of rail cars and require hundreds of whites to pull the cars to the eastern border. This will accomplish several major policy goals:
1. No use of diesel.
2. Show whitey who's boss.
3. Have trains move more slowly to avoid risk of bodily harm to the gangs which steal from them.
Best of all it has no downside since, if the goods cannot be moved from the immediate vicinity of the coast, it's already where all the important people need it.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 16, 2024 11:08 AM (U7wke)
No energy to do so.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 16, 2024 11:06 AM (ufFY
You'd be amazed what you can do if you put your mind to it.
Posted by: Chris Knight at May 16, 2024 11:08 AM (z+89e)
How about electrifying the tracks? Nope, nope, nope...a hobo might get killed.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 16, 2024 11:07 AM (WPL6O)
Don't touch the 3rd rail.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:08 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM)
*laughs*
Posted by: Poseidon Earthshaker at May 16, 2024 11:09 AM (gKWVE)
Future POTUS everyone!
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at May 16, 2024 11:09 AM (m0WlR)
Colin Albert can't remember a thing under cross examination regarding a screenshot of text messages given to his cop uncle, nor can he remember suddenly switching to Snapchat after the dead guy is found on the lawn.
Watching the Karen Read trial on Andrea Burkhart's channel.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 16, 2024 11:09 AM (ufFY8)
Posted by: ... at May 16, 2024 11:09 AM (8ebbP)
Edited for brevity.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 16, 2024 11:10 AM (U7wke)
Future POTUS everyone!
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at May 16, 2024 11:09 AM (m0WlR)
So, you stole 100 billion from the taxpayer you didn't need.
Congrats.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:10 AM (Zz0t1)
It is that simple.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 16, 2024 11:10 AM (riU2q)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 16, 2024 11:11 AM (VE/4w)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 16, 2024 11:11 AM (U7wke)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 16, 2024 11:11 AM (63Dwl)
Some sort of mental masturbation. I’m sure it is a commie worm.
Supposedly, because CARB pre-dates the formation of the EPA, this state organization gets to set their own rules. Makes sense to somebody.
They are also setting laws on how chickens are raised - and claim to be able to force other states to comply, or they cannot sell their eggs in California.
I know interstate commerce laws don’t work that way, but nobody in government seems to care about laws. Just will to power.
Posted by: Common Tater at May 16, 2024 11:11 AM (aPa7n)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 16, 2024 11:11 AM (VE/4w)
California dies immediately if neighboring states refuse to sell it energy.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at May 16, 2024 11:12 AM (qxzgX)
Yes. Its maximum battery capacity is 8.5 MWh. The math is ugly.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 16, 2024 11:12 AM (d9fT1)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, PNW MOME June 1st at May 16, 2024 11:12 AM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Gruesome Newsom at May 16, 2024 11:12 AM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: ... at May 16, 2024 11:13 AM (8ebbP)
Posted by: Lizzy at May 16, 2024 11:13 AM (cCVOS)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at May 16, 2024 11:12 AM (qxzgX)
...and hot water.
Posted by: BignJames at May 16, 2024 11:13 AM (AwYPR)
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Irrelevant. Assume otherwise. Assume that the technology is there for all of this. Battery-powered switch engines are here and good and reliable, electric main-line engines are here and good and reliable (this one is actually true), adequate power generation for all of it here and reliable. Assume that all technical conditions are met and satisfactory for operations.
Now, even in the "best case scenario" where everything *works,* is it worth it? Is spending billions of dollars - probably a hundred billion or more dollars - retrofitting rail infrastructure worth it to reduce NOx emissions by a total amount that is likely *less* than the NOx emitted by trucks hauling containers from ports to classification yards and local sort facilities - even with the insane CARB requirements for short-haul trucks in the state today?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 16, 2024 11:13 AM (d04cU)
There's the problem.
Reward your friends and donors with cushy government jobs with fantastic benefits. Prerequisites are nothing. Just show up and look interested because all the others are equally clueless. But then they decide they are important and start issuing regulations.
And no one stands up to tell them what to do with themselves.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 16, 2024 11:14 AM (W/lyH)
Last year we had a $17B surplus not generated from increases in efficiencies or productivity, but from transfer payments from their friends in DC. FDR would be proud of the patronage.
This year they are increasing our taxes across the board(by voice vote!?) and it is killing us.
Posted by: Danimal28 at May 16, 2024 11:14 AM (klw0w)
Posted by: Archimedes
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Not sure this even reflects the wishes of the California voters. Ballots mebbe but not necessarily voters.
Essentially through a variety of means such as compromised elections, courts, the countless commissions, interest group influence on the bureaucracy, the corrupted initiative process, and so on., voter influence on California state government is essentially nil.
This is the political design sought for the US as a whole--the facade of voting with no real ability to affect any change that would upset the ruling elites. Sort of like how Soviet voters could vote with a rigged candidate list for their Supreme Soviet legislature which would promptly rubberstamp whatever the Politburo wanted to do.
Posted by: whig at May 16, 2024 11:14 AM (8QJ54)
Que?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 16, 2024 11:14 AM (cCVOS)
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Last train out of California needs to use a D-9 ripper on its ass end to zip up the track as heads off with the setting sun behind it.
The fruits and nuts will call it good "rails to trails".
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 16, 2024 11:15 AM (riU2q)
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One of hundreds of "boards" in the state that hold sway over every aspect of life.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2024 11:15 AM (Q4IgG)
They have outlawed portable generators too. Really.
Posted by: Common Tater at May 16, 2024 11:15 AM (aPa7n)
Especially Boston/NYC/Chicago especially.
Posted by: From about that Time at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (4780s)
The state required them to buy a permit, which would then invoke an "environmental study" that would force them to allow an observer to periodically check the property for 6 months to ensure the changes wouldn't effect the 'ecosystem' for the area, which would then ban them from ever changing the property in any way.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Sam Drucker at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (V5BDR)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, PNW MOME June 1st at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (xcxpd)
Greed, avarice, envy, class warfare, raycissim, rape, incompetence, malfeasance, sodomy and rape on full display all thanks to the democrat party and their supporters.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (IebSC)
Never interrupt your enemy when he is slitting his own throat.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (PNE7v)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (MoZTd)
Posted by: Joe Mannix
Don't forget that the anarchists, pantifa, blm, bamn, every muslim, and climate-asshoe wants to cause mayhem.
The trains will not run in CA after 2030.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (VE/4w)
One of hundreds of "boards" in the state that hold sway over every aspect of life.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2024 11:15 AM (Q4IgG)
.....which has been determined by the State of California to cause cancer.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:17 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 16, 2024 11:17 AM (KbCG3)
And they have embraced and prioritized goals set by globalist entities, such as the UN and WEF, so that they're not even doing anything for their city/state/country, they are doing these things (allegedly) for the planet.
Any time one of these tools says we must do something by 2030 or 2035 you can be sure that it's from an NGO's checklist.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 16, 2024 11:17 AM (cCVOS)
( . ) ( . )
and trim on Earth.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, PNW MOME June 1st at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (xcxpd)
Plastic.........
I'd rather have a country girl.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:18 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 16, 2024 11:05 AM (N39Ws)
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The EPA lets them.
CARB is an old agency and there is some grandfathering, but the EPA has to approve it when CARB does crazy shit that could affect other states. The EPA is set to approve this.
CARB is not enforceable outside of California, but it has effects outside of California because of the costs of product design and manufacturing. If you manufacture portable electric generators, for example, you have to decide to either:
1. Ignore CARB, and sacrifice the California market (which is >10% of the US population)
2. Comply with CARB, which is the most restrictive regulatory system, and sell in all 50 states, albeit at higher cost
3. Have one set of nationwide products under CARB and one set of non-CARB products that sell for a lower price in the rest of the country (more competitive in those markets) but you have to maintain two product lines, two development processes, two SKUs, two logistics chains, etc. for every product.
All three happen in reality, depending on market realities. It is all, however, hugely wasteful.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 16, 2024 11:18 AM (d04cU)
Used to.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2024 11:19 AM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 16, 2024 11:19 AM (KbCG3)
Greed, avarice, envy, class warfare, raycissim, rape, incompetence, malfeasance, sodomy and rape on full display all thanks to the democrat party and their supporters.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (IebSC)
One of the greatest moments in debate history was when DeSantis broke out the poster board of the San Francisco "poopie map."
Gold.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:19 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Diogenes at May 16, 2024 11:19 AM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (MoZTd)
Migrants have rights. -- Science
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 16, 2024 11:19 AM (U7wke)
Posted by: Archer at May 16, 2024 11:20 AM (rskKm)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 16, 2024 11:20 AM (JYvcN)
Posted by: Sam Drucker
Still would have drunk it.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 16, 2024 11:21 AM (yL/az)
May it sink into the ocean
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 16, 2024 11:21 AM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Archer at May 16, 2024 11:20 AM (rskKm)
You asked for it.........
https://youtu.be/Gb3XWTWtRxc
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:21 AM (Zz0t1)
And in practice we all know it's nigh-impossible to downsize or do away with any part of government. The leviathan only grows larger, until it dies of the disease known as "that which can not go on, will not go on."
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at May 16, 2024 11:22 AM (O7YUW)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 16, 2024 11:19 AM (KbCG3)
Amateur.
Posted by: Gas Pump Guy at May 16, 2024 11:22 AM (IebSC)
Posted by: Archer at May 16, 2024 11:22 AM (rskKm)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 16, 2024 11:21 AM (yL/az)
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:: makes phone gesture with hand ::
Call me!
Posted by: e-girl selling her bathwater online at May 16, 2024 11:22 AM (d04cU)
Posted by: Sam Drucker
Well there goes the plan for Hooterville and Brattleburo becoming sister cities.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 16, 2024 11:22 AM (W/lyH)
I'd be willing to give them a little leeway if a SINGLE such proposal actually ended up with a net benefit.
Posted by: red speck at May 16, 2024 11:23 AM (0Id0S)
Posted by: Gas Pump Guy at May 16, 2024 11:22 AM (IebSC)
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You're in for a rough time when they ban gas and diesel, bro.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 16, 2024 11:23 AM (d04cU)
( . ) ( . )
and trim on Earth.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, PNW MOME June 1st at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (xcxpd)
Plastic.........
I'd rather have a country girl.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:18 AM (Zz0t1)
Country girls are better girls, but plastic can be fantastic.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, PNW MOME June 1st at May 16, 2024 11:23 AM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Petticoat Junction! at May 16, 2024 11:23 AM (dg+HA)
Railroads can stop serving California. There are other, better ports.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 16, 2024 11:20 AM (JYvcN)
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Barbours Cut and Bayport at Port of Houston would love the business.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 16, 2024 11:23 AM (MoZTd)
= =
Tell me more.
Posted by: Javier Milei at May 16, 2024 11:24 AM (m0WlR)
Any time one of these tools says we must do something by 2030 or 2035 you can be sure that it's from an NGO's checklist.
Posted by: Lizzy
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They do so as a means of power while claiming virtue. Not sure that is going to fly much longer--I get the sense of tremendous unrest in the West among their captive voters which is why the censorship is global now. Essentially, the normies that just want to be left alone are being forced to engage with the polity--right now it is polite but if the elites continue to impoverish and destroy normie society--a backlash is coming.
Discount media reports for the most part because the media is there to aid the elites and discourage the masses that resistance is futile. It never is whether in the Soviet Union during its existence or its ersatz resurrection in the West as the uni-global party.
Posted by: whig at May 16, 2024 11:25 AM (8QJ54)
Posted by: Eeyore at May 16, 2024 11:25 AM (1bNHn)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:25 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Didn't know you went in for silicone.
Posted by: whig at May 16, 2024 11:26 AM (8QJ54)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 16, 2024 11:26 AM (V5eKu)
Posted by: David Lee Roth at May 16, 2024 11:26 AM (2QA3G)
Posted by: Ribbed at May 16, 2024 11:27 AM (Ectld)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 16, 2024 11:27 AM (NrPbK)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 16, 2024 11:26 AM (V5eKu)
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I've never dealt with CARB directly I acknowledge that it could be worse, but PA DEP is the single most corrupt government agency with which I have ever dealt, and by a decently wide margin.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 16, 2024 11:28 AM (d04cU)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 16, 2024 11:27 AM (NrPbK)
Did you say choom?!?
Posted by: Owebama Trippin Balls at May 16, 2024 11:28 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 16, 2024 11:28 AM (V5eKu)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:25 AM (Zz0t1)
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And all budget deficits must be paid out of the personal pockets of the legislators and governor -- divided equally among them -- with failure to pay by a rapid deadline a capital offense.
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 11:28 AM (h4Cdp)
Posted by: SMOD at May 16, 2024 11:28 AM (uPltQ)
I'd be willing to give them a little leeway if a SINGLE such proposal actually ended up with a net benefit.
Posted by: red speck
THIS! Times a Brazilian!
Posted by: rickb223 at May 16, 2024 11:28 AM (yL/az)
I'm looking forward to the day the OEMs just decide to abandon California.
Posted by: Inogame at May 16, 2024 11:28 AM (53oGX)
>>'The People' of California have no power. So it doesn't matter what they realize. Recall Prop 8 drama? There are no legal remedies to what's wrong with California.
California elections are faker and gayer than Philly elections.
There's no coming back for the state that sent Nixon to the Senate and Reagan to the Governors Mansion.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 16, 2024 11:28 AM (JIdXK)
Posted by: Sam Drucker, Editor, Hooterville World Guardian at May 16, 2024 11:29 AM (V5BDR)
I will assume that somebody speaks with a Spanish accent and carries a gun provided by Eric Holder's Justice Department.
Posted by: Ribbed at May 16, 2024 11:29 AM (Ectld)
Posted by: Owebama Trippin Balls at May 16, 2024 11:28 AM (Zz0t1)
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Then I would've said chum.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 16, 2024 11:29 AM (NrPbK)
Posted by: California is HOT! at May 16, 2024 11:30 AM (XkYcA)
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:30 AM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 16, 2024 11:30 AM (L/fGl)
I'll bring the popcorn.
AKA Sefton's train set. . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 16, 2024 11:30 AM (x0n13)
Reward your friends and donors with cushy government jobs with fantastic benefits. Prerequisites are nothing. Just show up and look interested because all the others are equally clueless. But then they decide they are important and start issuing regulations.
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"If you're showing up, you're doing it wrong."
-- Nepots United Local 451
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 11:31 AM (h4Cdp)
I'll bring the popcorn.
AKA Sefton's train set. . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 16, 2024 11:30 AM (x0n13)
Sounds like a
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:31 AM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 16, 2024 11:05 AM (N39Ws)
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The EPA lets them.
CARB is an old agency and there is some grandfathering, but the EPA has to approve it when CARB does crazy shit that could affect other states. The EPA is set to approve this.
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It is explicitly a waiver to CARB that can be repealed anytime the EPA feels like it. Essentially the EPA, to extend its reach into states, allows concurrent enforcement of pollution laws and shares that power with state agencies. This is to allow some local flexibility and to soothe angry feelings that might upset the EPA's statutory power in DC. But, the EPA explicitly (and constitutionally) reserves the right to 'fire' a state agency and take up formal enforcement in any state that it wishes to. That includes CARB regulations.
Remember the EPA was constructed when essentially the commerce clause was viewed as having no limit. The older 10th Amendment state police powers doctrine was shredded by this idea. So prior court cases have served more or less to confirm EPA power along with Chevron doctrine.
Posted by: whig at May 16, 2024 11:31 AM (8QJ54)
I'll bring the popcorn.
AKA Sefton's train set. . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 16, 2024 11:30 AM (x0n13)
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Isn't that (one of) Wednesday's and Pugsly's train sets?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 16, 2024 11:32 AM (NrPbK)
Posted by: Thomas Bender
Too bad they didn't build a border to prevent all those east-coasters in the 60's.
* giggity *
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2024 11:32 AM (IG4Id)
https://tinyurl.com/3tsdj7ck
Posted by: JackStraw at May 16, 2024 11:32 AM (LkLld)
You may, if you must, exclude the military from this but government "service" attracts a lot of people looking for a guaranteed retirement check while destroying your chance of having a retirement at all.
Before you tell me how small those government pensions are... I know someone who's getting 3. Probably getting social security also.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 16, 2024 11:33 AM (U7wke)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 16, 2024 11:30 AM (x0n13)
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Heh. You could add some RC firefighting aircraft dropping retardants to make the scene more realistic ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 11:33 AM (h4Cdp)
7-2 in favor with Thomas in the majority. Alito and Gorsuch dissenting. Thomas wrote opinion.
So they can regulate credit card fees after all. Rs want to destroy the government's ability to govern.
Supremes protecting consumers? Weird ruling. they hate American democracy, women, minorities, non Christians and poorer people; generally anyone who doesn't worship their version of a super daddy in the sky. What are they up to?
Means something really shitty is coming down the pipe. probably letting TSF walk. 6 Justices walking dead.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 16, 2024 11:33 AM (JCZqz)
https://tinyurl.com/228f6kvp
Posted by: California is HOT! at May 16, 2024 11:30 AM
I gotta say, that is some fine trim.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 16, 2024 11:33 AM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: Newt Kiley at May 16, 2024 11:34 AM (V5BDR)
Posted by: runner at May 16, 2024 11:34 AM (V13WU)
https://tinyurl.com/3tsdj7ck
Posted by: JackStraw at May 16, 2024 11:32 AM (LkLld)
When you base your entire case around a convicted liar....
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)
So I gotta go NEW YORK. Just for the spite and rancor.
Posted by: Marcus Gravey at May 16, 2024 11:34 AM (TIizU)
And many don't question it.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2024 11:34 AM (Q4IgG)
They do not appear to want any of the goods and services that are available in the rest of America.
How soon until they mandate zero-emissions for all aircraft passing through their airports?
Idiots.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 16, 2024 11:35 AM (BpYfr)
Simple work around for a gas can.
https://tinyurl.com/3xuyrxya
Dirt bike users use these. I don't even use the attached hose. I pour straight into a funnel.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 16, 2024 11:35 AM (yL/az)
Posted by: Thomas Bender
There is always a way to come back--letting things lie is a coping mechanism for doing nothing as a citizen. Do nothing and I guarantee nothing will occur.
California has the initiative process which could change the whole ball of wax peacefully. Already, a vastly underfunded organization has repeatedly thwarted plans for the reinstatement of racial preferences in California law by winning votes at the ballot box.
A lot of the dysfunction is because the GOP in California is truly awful bootlickers and grifters like former Speaker Kevin. Twould be best to create a new state party than try to reform the CA GOP.
Same goes for NY.
Posted by: whig at May 16, 2024 11:35 AM (8QJ54)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 16, 2024 11:36 AM (V5eKu)
https://tinyurl.com/228f6kvp
Posted by: California is HOT!
Well, at least it wasn't Lizzo.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 16, 2024 11:36 AM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Marcus Gravey at May 16, 2024 11:34 AM (TIizU)
We gotta up our game.
Posted by: Illinois Moonbats at May 16, 2024 11:36 AM (PiwSw)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 16, 2024 11:36 AM (PExgi)
https://shorturl.at/noLM9
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 16, 2024 11:30 AM (L/fGl)
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Whoopi Jr.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 16, 2024 11:37 AM (NrPbK)
California has the initiative process which could change the whole ball of wax peacefully.
_________
"Yeah, sure." - Proposition 8
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 16, 2024 11:37 AM (MoZTd)
Posted by: Pussy Galore at May 16, 2024 11:39 AM (MB784)
Posted by: In The Olden Times at May 16, 2024 11:39 AM (V5BDR)
Remember the EPA was constructed when essentially the commerce clause was viewed as having no limit. The older 10th Amendment state police powers doctrine was shredded by this idea. So prior court cases have served more or less to confirm EPA power along with Chevron doctrine.
Posted by: whig at May 16, 2024 11:31 AM (8QJ54)
Thanks, Richard Nixon.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 16, 2024 11:41 AM (9miN6)
Posted by: Roy at May 16, 2024 11:41 AM (z+ik4)
California has the initiative process which could change the whole ball of wax peacefully.
_________
"Yeah, sure." - Proposition 8
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 16, 2024 11:37 AM (MoZTd)
Indeed. The courts and bureaucracy stand in the way of grass-roots initiatives to change the lunacy and reflect the vox populi. Plenty of astroturf makes it through that process as well. It also doesn't help when the same assholes that run it decide how the various propositions that make it on the ballot will be described (which means in the most flowing terms for libbie stuff, the most noxious terms for the other).
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:41 AM (ynpvh)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (IG4Id)
Posted by: Roy at May 16, 2024 11:41 AM (z+ik4)
Kumala-power. Thar she blows!
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (ynpvh)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 16, 2024 11:36 AM (V5eKu)
Must have been good at it, because I've heard nothing about the commies having invaded and taken over that particular installation.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (dGCAG)
They are also setting laws on how chickens are raised - and claim to be able to force other states to comply, or they cannot sell their eggs in California.
I know interstate commerce laws don’t work that way, but nobody in government seems to care about laws. Just will to power.
Posted by: Common Tater at May 16, 2024 11:11 AM (aPa7n)
Positive Crankcase Ventilation was introduced in California in 1949. My 57, built in Tarrytown, NY and sold in NJ, still uses the draft tube. Crankcase fumes are exhausted into the atmosphere while the car is in motion.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (iODuv)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (IG4Id)
Posted by: Gas Pump Guy at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (IebSC)
Oh well.
Posted by: PJ at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (G1dq6)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (IG4Id)
Intertubes say Baltimore.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:43 AM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 16, 2024 11:43 AM (17s+e)
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Mandatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVsLEI-hCXw
Posted by: Braenyard at May 16, 2024 11:44 AM (lCWOD)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 16, 2024 11:44 AM (yL/az)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 16, 2024 11:43 AM (17s+e)
Electrified fences would make more sense.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:44 AM (ynpvh)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 16, 2024 11:44 AM (V5eKu)
Of course all electricity will be generated and distributed by state owned providers.......
Of course there will be chronic shortages.
Do they think we don't notice?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 16, 2024 11:44 AM (bXzUP)
Posted by: Gomez Adams at May 16, 2024 11:45 AM (rskKm)
Posted by: Choo-Choo!! at May 16, 2024 11:45 AM (V5BDR)
Oh well.
Posted by: PJ
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CA has always been a trend setter.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 16, 2024 11:45 AM (lCWOD)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (IG4Id)
I'm pretty sure they dug her out of the muck of Utumno.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 16, 2024 11:45 AM (dGCAG)
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Mandatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVsLEI-hCXw
Posted by: Braenyard
Of thank goodness! I thought a video of my earlier days was going to come back to haunt me. Hahahahahahahah!!!!!!
Posted by: Kamala Harris at May 16, 2024 11:45 AM (JCZqz)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 16, 2024 11:46 AM (L/fGl)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 16, 2024 11:44 AM (V5eKu)
This is truth.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 16, 2024 11:46 AM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 16, 2024 11:44 AM (bXzUP)
Ummmmmm...Yes.
Posted by: American Voters, Dumber Than Dirt at May 16, 2024 11:46 AM (IebSC)
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AZ, NV and TX.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 16, 2024 11:46 AM (lCWOD)
Check out her father. This might come as a shock but he was a corrupt politician.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 16, 2024 11:46 AM (LkLld)
Yes. Its maximum battery capacity is 8.5 MWh. The math is ugly.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 16, 2024 11:12 AM (d9fT1)
California is too big. No one state should be able to sway markets in such a heavy handed way? How is this not a cartel practicing restraint of trade?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at May 16, 2024 11:47 AM (bXzUP)
Of course there will be chronic shortages.
Do they think we don't notice?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless
Nonsense! Government is everyone, working together. We all just want the common good!
Posted by: South Africa at May 16, 2024 11:47 AM (JCZqz)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (IG4Id)
Intertubes say Baltimore.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:43 AM (ynpvh)
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Or as they say in "Homicide: Life On The Street" and "The Wire:"
Bal'more.
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 11:47 AM (h4Cdp)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 16, 2024 11:44 AM (V5eKu)
This is truth.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 16, 2024 11:46 AM (dGCAG)
Speaking of, I missed the first hour of Crowder's live stream yesterday evening. Apparently there were some bombs dropped on Pentagon/DoD personnel, but I never got a good sense of what it was.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 16, 2024 11:48 AM (dGCAG)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (IG4Id)
Intertubes say Baltimore.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:43 AM (ynpvh)
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Or as they say in "Homicide: Life On The Street" and "The Wire:"
Bal'more.
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 11:47 AM (h4Cdp)
Isn't that a castle?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:48 AM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:25 AM (Zz0t1)
We tried that in Colorado, with the Taxpayer Bill of Rights (TABOR). It worked for a while, until lawmakers figured out ways to exempt every new law and tax from it. At this point TABOR is pretty much toothless.
Posted by: Bacon Jeff at May 16, 2024 11:48 AM (VGRuw)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi's Mom at May 16, 2024 11:48 AM (JCZqz)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 16, 2024 11:43 AM (17s+e)
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When they finally getting around to banning carbon fuels and thus big rigs, the resulting starvation will be lit AF!
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 11:48 AM (h4Cdp)
Posted by: Don Black at May 16, 2024 11:48 AM (/7KEl)
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless
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Lolololololl!!!!
Actually,They DON'T care
Posted by: lin-duh at May 16, 2024 11:49 AM (k1ci7)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 16, 2024 11:46 AM (LkLld)
Pretty sure they were/are a crime syndicate all their own, with siblings and uncles and whatnot, dipping their nasty fingers in various political pies.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 16, 2024 11:49 AM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Braenyard at May 16, 2024 11:49 AM (lCWOD)
Posted by: RUReadingthis at May 16, 2024 11:49 AM (aQ25I)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 16, 2024 11:49 AM (V5eKu)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)
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And water
Posted by: 496 at May 16, 2024 11:50 AM (Gjk9Q)
Posted by: Archer at May 16, 2024 11:50 AM (rskKm)
Posted by: 75% of CA'a male population at May 16, 2024 11:51 AM (JCZqz)
Some years ago, the stand pipe rusted out and most of the pond drained out. At the time he was also doing house renovation and the local building inspector saw the pond and notified authorities.
He ended up dealing with the county conservancy because there were fish in the pond, PA DEP, US EPA, the Army Corp of Engineers because the pond did drain off the overflow. The EPA had no record of the pond but sent out an inspector to look at this “nonexistent pond”. The PA DEP was very interesting as it seems about the time my neighbor filed papers with the DEP there was some kind of labor dispute and most of the state employees quit. This meant instead of getting notice of the receiving of the papers in 90 days, it took 7 months .. and that didn’t actually address the content of the papers. The entire thing went on so long that contractor my neighbor had hired to do the work, died before any work could begin. Eventually, he put together a new stand pipe himself and slapped it back on.
Posted by: SMOD at May 16, 2024 11:51 AM (uPltQ)
@kylenabecker
BREAKING.🚨🚨
CONFIRMED: The U.S. government funded "GAIN-OF-FUNCTION" research at the Wuhan laboratory that launched the global Covid pandemic.
"Did NIH fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology through EcoHealth?"
“If you're speaking about the generic term... YES, WE DID.”
Posted by: JackStraw at May 16, 2024 11:51 AM (LkLld)
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:48 AM
No.
*points*
There castle.
Posted by: Eyegore at May 16, 2024 11:52 AM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)
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And water
Posted by: 496
And that's why none of that is allowed.
Posted by: Hawaiian Judges and the Feds at May 16, 2024 11:52 AM (JCZqz)
See the pattern yet?
Posted by: ... at May 16, 2024 11:52 AM (8ebbP)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (IG4Id)
Posted by: Gas Pump Guy at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (IebSC)
Search engines. How do they work?
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at May 16, 2024 11:52 AM (iODuv)
but he might be mob-adjacent
MD politics have been crooked since the first light came into the world
Posted by: Don Black at May 16, 2024 11:53 AM (/7KEl)
BREAKING.🚨🚨
CONFIRMED: The U.S. government funded "GAIN-OF-FUNCTION" research at the Wuhan laboratory that launched the global Covid pandemic.
"Did NIH fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology through EcoHealth?"
“If you're speaking about the generic term... YES, WE DID.”
Posted by: JackStraw at May 16, 2024 11:51 AM (LkLld)
Follow up question: Are they currently DOING THE SAME THING WITH BIRD FLU???
Why yes, yes they are. GoF for bird flu is going to make the Covids look like the sniffles.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 16, 2024 11:53 AM (dGCAG)
Posted by: banana Dream at May 16, 2024 11:53 AM (Y6IkP)
Why yes, yes they are. GoF for bird flu is going to make the Covids look like the sniffles.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 16, 2024 11:53 AM (dGCAG)
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Follow up follow up question:
Is any of this happening or had recently happened in Ukraine?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 16, 2024 11:54 AM (GBKbO)
BREAKING.🚨🚨
CONFIRMED: The U.S. government funded "GAIN-OF-FUNCTION" research at the Wuhan laboratory that launched the global Covid pandemic.
"Did NIH fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology through EcoHealth?"
“If you're speaking about the generic term... YES, WE DID.”
Posted by: JackStraw at May 16, 2024 11:51 AM (LkLld)
I thought we already knew that and also knew that Fauci LIED about it during his tesimony. Multiple times.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:54 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (IG4Id)
Posted by: Gas Pump Guy at May 16, 2024 11:42 AM (IebSC)
Search engines. How do they work?
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at May 16, 2024 11:52 AM (iODuv)
If AI-driven, like electric semis.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:54 AM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Grateful at May 16, 2024 11:54 AM (Ith7e)
Posted by: ... at May 16, 2024 11:54 AM (8ebbP)
Posted by: JackStraw
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CA, NV, NY, TX next.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 16, 2024 11:54 AM (lCWOD)
but he might be mob-adjacent
MD politics have been crooked since the first light came into the world
Posted by: Don Black at May 16, 2024 11:53 AM (/7KEl)
When I speak of politicians and crime syndicates, I'm not talking about "the mob."
The mob are playing tiddlywinks, compared to our political gangsters.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 16, 2024 11:55 AM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:55 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: ... at May 16, 2024 11:54 AM (8ebbP)
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"No, it wasn't the CIA that dropped a bomb on the RNC. That's crazy conspiracy theory nonsense."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 16, 2024 11:55 AM (GBKbO)
@mentju4
David Morens' email to
@PeterDaszak
:
"I learned from our
@NIH
FOIA lady how to make emails disappear after I am FOIA'd but before the search starts so I think we are all safe. Plus, I deleted most of those earlier emails..."
https://tinyurl.com/yhkczxxs
Posted by: JackStraw at May 16, 2024 11:55 AM (LkLld)
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:48 AM (ynpvh)
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Interesting that Queen Victoria and Prince Albert rebirthed the interest in Clans, Tartans, Gaelic, Bagpipes, and all manner of Scottish Highlander traditions and customs (after of course the Highland Clearances of a century earlier).
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 11:55 AM (h4Cdp)
Posted by: banana Dream at May 16, 2024 11:55 AM (Y6IkP)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden
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What we know and what is published as fact are two different things.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 16, 2024 11:56 AM (lCWOD)
Is any of this happening or had recently happened in Ukraine?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 16, 2024 11:54 AM (GBKbO)
You're a Pootin apologist, if ever I heard one.
How DARE you.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 16, 2024 11:56 AM (dGCAG)
@NIH
FOIA lady how to make emails disappear after I am FOIA'd but before the search starts so I think we are all safe. Plus, I deleted most of those earlier emails..."
https://tinyurl.com/yhkczxxs
Posted by: JackStraw at May 16, 2024 11:55 AM (LkLld)
Such benevolent overlords.
Posted by: David Lee Roth at May 16, 2024 11:56 AM (2QA3G)
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at May 16, 2024 11:52 AM (iODuv)
If AI-driven, like electric semis.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:54 AM (ynpvh)
**rim shot**
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at May 16, 2024 11:56 AM (iODuv)
I'm not dead yet, I just want to rock and roll all night!
LETS DANCE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFMD7Usflbg
Posted by: Jimmy Carter at May 16, 2024 11:57 AM (5hfjS)
Posted by: Greta Thunberg at May 16, 2024 11:57 AM (Zz0t1)
I'm ashamed of you all.
I'm going back to work.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 16, 2024 11:57 AM (dGCAG)
Posted by: banana Dream at May 16, 2024 11:58 AM (Y6IkP)
Posted by: banana Dream
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Good.
Tinyurl.co,
https://www.shorturl.at/
there are others
Posted by: Braenyard at May 16, 2024 11:58 AM (lCWOD)
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at May 16, 2024 11:52 AM (iODuv)
Yeah, but do you want the feds to find a search for ancy-na elosie-pay on your computer?
Posted by: Diogenes at May 16, 2024 11:58 AM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at May 16, 2024 11:58 AM (2QA3G)
I'm ashamed of you all.
I'm going back to work.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 16, 2024 11:57 AM (dGCAG)
Oh, I got it. But as you said, I didn't bite...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:58 AM (ynpvh)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 16, 2024 11:58 AM (V5eKu)
Some people are not allowed at all, and the subsidy is not just government, but other entities. So they have low prices for some, which drive out (of business) typical "free market" grocers. Then all that is left is the Woke Grocer, and one must give up their personal Wokeness details .. or starve, I guess.
frontpagemag.com/letter-from-salem-ma/
Posted by: illiniwek at May 16, 2024 11:58 AM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at May 16, 2024 11:58 AM (2QA3G)
I believe the correct method is "reach down, in between my legs and, ease the seat back."
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)
I'm not dead yet, I just want to rock and roll all night!
LETS DANCE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFMD7Usflbg
Posted by: Jimmy Carter at May 16, 2024 11:57 AM
Just get on the cart.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 16, 2024 12:00 PM (Wnv9h)
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If you can't trust him, who can you trust?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 16, 2024 12:00 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at May 16, 2024 12:01 PM (DsA2n)
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I'm shocked, shocked, that the Deep State and Bureaucrats (BIRM) destroy data and otherwise find ways around the FOIA.
In fact, I'll go out on a limb and guess that exactly ZERO people found to be doing this have ever been held to account or punished.
An anarcho-terrorist shithole, if you can keep it ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 12:01 PM (h4Cdp)
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If you can't trust him, who can you trust?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 16, 2024 12:00 PM (L/fGl)
For he and the other billionaires, he's correct.
The rest of us? Not so much......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 12:01 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 11:58 AM (ynpvh)
Me neither. I never bite!!
Posted by: K. Harris-Veep Throat in charge of stuff at May 16, 2024 12:01 PM (iODuv)
BREAKING.🚨🚨
CONFIRMED: The U.S. government funded "GAIN-OF-FUNCTION" research at the Wuhan laboratory that launched the global Covid pandemic.
"Did NIH fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology through EcoHealth?"
“If you're speaking about the generic term... YES, WE DID.”
Yet another conservative conspiracy theory proven true!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 16, 2024 12:02 PM (17s+e)
https://tinyurl.com/yhkczxxs
Posted by: JackStraw at May 16, 2024 11:55 AM (LkLld)
Such benevolent overlords.
Posted by: David Lee Roth at May 16, 2024 11:56 AM (2QA3G)
So what? Ain't nothing nam gonna be done to me. In fact, I bees deleting FOIA emails right now....zap!...deleted! What you gonna do about it?
I can do this all day. Hahahahaha!
Oh, time for lunch and a nap. Might rub one out first.
Posted by: FOIA Lady, Federal Laybabout at May 16, 2024 12:02 PM (IebSC)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 16, 2024 12:02 PM (V5eKu)
- RR affirmative action ‘engineer’
‘M’am, your battery needs changing, core exchange $75K. We have to get a crane in here on the other track, service fee $$75K. And your new battery from China will be here in eighteen months, cost $$395K. If no pirates.
-D. Taggart
Posted by: Eromero at May 16, 2024 12:03 PM (o2ZRX)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (MoZTd)
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Out: Drug mules.
In: Food mules.
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 12:03 PM (h4Cdp)
I'm so old, I can remember when you couldn't enter a bank without a mask on.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 16, 2024 12:04 PM (yL/az)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (MoZTd)
Or large wheels pushed by Cimmerian slave children.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at May 16, 2024 12:04 PM (YIxO9)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 16, 2024 12:05 PM (jbnUc)
I'm so old, I can remember when you couldn't enter a bank without a mask on.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 16, 2024 12:04 PM (yL/az)
Carry permit holders were at a loss during covid because some states had laws against wearing masks while carrying a weapon.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 16, 2024 12:05 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 16, 2024 12:05 PM (yL/az)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 16, 2024 12:06 PM (yeEu9)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 16, 2024 11:16 AM (MoZTd)
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Out: Drug mules.
In: Food mules.
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel
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Wouldn't it be something if moving to Mexico made sense?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 16, 2024 12:07 PM (lCWOD)
Posted by: rickb223
I had to get a medallion guarantee, and the bank required a mask. So I'm in a bank with a gun and a mask, thinking that a few years earlier, I could be legitimately shot for this.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 16, 2024 12:07 PM (l1/ge)
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at May 16, 2024 12:01 PM (DsA2n)
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And $1.5 trillion to Lincoln Logs for building affordable housing for all illegal alien "migrants" -- as long as they're not single-family dwellings (now against the law).
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 16, 2024 12:07 PM (h4Cdp)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 16, 2024 12:08 PM (V5eKu)
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Hopefully, Sully and Mulder are free that day.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 16, 2024 12:09 PM (L/fGl)
>>I'm shocked, shocked, that the Deep State and Bureaucrats (BIRM) destroy data and otherwise find ways around the FOIA.
What he admits to in the emails is a crime, where oh where is the Department of Justice?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 16, 2024 12:12 PM (JIdXK)
They probably have more horsepower than that nowadays.
Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julious Strangepork at May 16, 2024 12:38 PM (LAlv3)
Posted by: PJ at May 16, 2024 12:47 PM (G1dq6)
So what? Ain't nothing nam gonna be done to me. In fact, I bees deleting FOIA emails right now....zap!...deleted! What you gonna do about it?
I can do this all day. Hahahahaha!
Oh, time for lunch and a nap. Might rub one out first.
Posted by: FOIA Lady, Federal Laybabout at May 16, 2024 12:02 PM (IebSC)
Gotta get the backups too. if someone were to truly investigate and find that emails are missing, but backups show emails were there, well, then, if it protects the dems or the deep-state, nothing will happen.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 16, 2024 01:03 PM (ynpvh)
They probably have more horsepower than that nowadays.
Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julious Strangepork at May 16, 2024 12:38 PM (LAlv3)
Nope. he was talking about the total HP of all of the locomotives pulling that train.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 16, 2024 01:17 PM (d9fT1)
Or, you might want visit Omaha during the NCAA baseball tournament. Parked right in front of the arena will be ups Big Boy, the largest engine UP ever made.
I'd love to see how California plans to move those suckers.
Posted by: Livia Drusilla at May 16, 2024 01:37 PM (zbGp6)
Posted by: Dr_No at May 16, 2024 01:46 PM (ayRl+)
This means that California is mandating scrapping it with 50-75 years of service life left.
Fooking brilliant.
Posted by: buddhaha at May 16, 2024 05:39 PM (EO6dq)
The benefits - more lost dem votes in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 16, 2024 09:39 PM (UVyKP)
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