THE MORNING RANT: Periodic Roundup of the EV Follies

THE MORNING RANT: Periodic Roundup of the EV Follies – May 3, 2024

Two Fires in One Week at Rivian’s Manufacturing Plant in Illinois

Rivian’s unraveling keeps getting worse. A few weeks ago it was announced that Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp’s (R) $1.5 billion taxpayer-subsidized boondoggle east of Atlanta was indefinitely suspended by Rivian. The start-up EV manufacturer is hemorrhaging cash, and it doesn’t need the Georgia plant because it doesn’t have enough demand to even approach the capacity of its plant in Normal, IL.

Two weeks ago came the news that Rivian is cutting even further and letting more employees go: “Rivian cuts 1% of workforce in second round of layoffs this year” [Reuters – 4/18/2024]

The move follows a 10% layoff at Rivian in February when the company disappointed investors with a lower-than-expected 2024 production forecast.

Well, somehow, it just got even worse. The most terrifying word to anyone involved with EVs is also the most terrifying word in a crowded theater… “FIRE!” It’s a word that is being said with alarming frequency at Rivian’s Illinois plant.

“Fire breaks out in Rivian loading dock, the second in four days” [WGLT – 4/29/2024]

Another fire broke out Monday afternoon at the Rivian plant in Normal – at least the second fire in four days.
Monday’s fire destroyed a semitrailer in a loading dock on the south end of the plant, the Normal Fire Department said. A portion of the plant was evacuated until air quality returned to safe levels, fire officials said. No one was injured. An adjacent semitrailer sustained heat damage, and there was moderate heat and smoke damage to the exterior of the Rivian building above the dock area, the Normal Fire Department said. The cause of the fire is under investigation.

Meanwhile, just four days earlier, there was another fire at the same Rivian plant, this one on the assembly line.

“Fire Forces Evacuation of Rivian Plant” [ WGLT – 4/25/2024]

A fire at the Rivian plant in Normal forced the evacuation of the plant for an hour and a half Thursday morning. The fire happened under a section of conveyor that moves vehicle chassis down the assembly line on the western side of the building, said the Normal Fire Department. Flames did not spread beyond the area, but firefighters said it took some time to ventilate smoke and do air-quality tests in the building.

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Saint Greta Is Not Pleased With All You Electric Car Buyers

This seems a bit problematic for all the virtue-signaling EV drivers, because the woman worshipped as divinely pure and infallible in her climate ministry has now condemned electric vehicles. That’s right, Saint Greta the Climate Puppet and her friends at “Fridays for Future Stockholm” are fed up with the exploitation of Congo and its people ”…so that the rest of the world can buy electric cars and other electronic devices.”

Do better, climate sinners. Be better. Driving an EV isn’t going to get you the climate indulgence you seek.

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Disincentivizing People From Buying Electric Vehicles

It costs me $32 per year to register my car in Tennessee. Meanwhile, it has been costing EV owners $100 per year. You may be thinking, “Well, that’s not fair.” Of course it’s not fair, EV owners should be paying even more.

“Jolt to wallets: Tennessee electric vehicle owners face steep fee hike in 2024”
(h/t to Mrs. Throckmorton for bringing this story to my attention.)

The reason? One of TDOT's main sources of revenue comes from Tennessee's gas tax, but with more drivers choosing electric vehicles and using charging stations, TDOT is not seeing as much money from it anymore.

The fee for Tennessee EV owners to register their vehicle increased to $200 per year in 2024, and it’s going up to $274 per year in 2026.

This is the way it’s done. While the purpose of the higher EV registration fee may be to recoup lost highway revenue that would otherwise be collected at the gas pump, a welcome side-effect is that it establishes a disincentive to purchasing an EV. I wrote about this subject in a recent piece titled, “Time to Put Team EV on Defense.”

Therefore, we must now put the E.V. advocates on the defensive, making them fear they might lose their precious vehicles as a consequence of their attempted I.C.E. ban. They came after us and we repelled their first assault, but simply repelling an adversary’s attack only sets the stage for their next assault. They must suffer a loss, and they must put all their energy into not suffering any more losses, to ensure that they don’t get the opportunity to come after our gasoline-powered cars again.

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Ford’s Continuing EV Financial Debacle

Ford CEO Jim Farley has a serious problem. He’s an obedient eco-globalist determined to turn Ford into an electric vehicle manufacturer. The trouble is that consumers prefer real gas and diesel Ford products, not the electric go-karts that Farley is trying to push on customers. Farley cannot serve two masters. He has to choose between either his communist idols in Davos or the actual consumers visiting Ford dealerships. He really only has one choice. If he continues to pursue the communist/Davos/EV route, Ford will be out of business very shortly.

“Ford just reported a massive loss on every electric vehicle it sold” [CNN – 4/25/2024]

Ford lost $1.3 billion in the first quarter of 2024 on its electric vehicle products, on revenue of just $100 million. That comes out to a breathtaking $132,000 per EV sold.

Ford’s electric vehicle unit reported that losses soared in the first quarter to $1.3 billion, or $132,000 for each of the 10,000 vehicles it sold in the first three months of the year, helping to drag down earnings for the company overall.

Beyond the financial debacle, Ford’s overall EV sales have already peaked and are now plummeting.

The EV unit, which Ford calls Model e, sold 10,000 vehicles in the quarter, down 20% from the number it sold a year earlier. And its revenue plunged 84% to about $100 million, which Ford attributed mostly to price cuts for EVs across the industry.

The early adopters already bought their EVs, and no one else really wants them. In addition, word is out about just how awful these electric toys are, with limited range and functionality, and a very short life span. Dealers hate EVs, and have too much respect for their good customers to put them in a product that will cause ill will. And with its growing glut of unsold EVs, Ford is having to radically discount new EV sales to make the excess inventory go away…which leaves the first suckers who paid full price desperately underwater on a lousy electric vehicle that they cannot trade out of.

What a debacle.

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Ford Slashing & Reassigning EV Workforce

Unsurprisingly, Ford is having to re-allocate employees from the plant that makes its unpopular EVs to those making products that consumers actually desire.

Of the 2,100 employees at its EV plant in Dearborn, all but 700 are being redeployed or given early retirement packages.

“Ford to dramatically cut hourly workforce at F-150 Lightning plant in Dearborn” [Detroit Free Press – 3/27/2024]

Ford Motor Co. is dramatically cutting the hourly workforce at the factory that builds the Ford F-150 Lightning starting next week, as the automaker slashes product targets of its all-electric pickup. Of the 2,100 workers who make up three work crews at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Dearborn, one third will remain on-site after April 1, Ford spokeswoman Jessica Enoch told the Detroit Free Press on Wednesday.

Where are the employees going? They are going to a plant that makes the popular - and gas-powered - Broncos and Rangers. The transferred employees will be able to boost production of these hot selling products by providing manpower for a third shift.

A crew of 700 will be transferred to the Michigan Assembly Plant in Wayne to build the Bronco and Ranger while the remaining 700 or so will either take the $50,000 retirement package negotiated during the 2023 contract talks or accept reassignment in southeast Michigan. Ford is adding a third crew at Michigan Assembly.

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Ford Suspending EV Launches

Related…

Ford is suspending some new electric product launches.

“Ford pumps brakes on three-row electric SUVs, electric pickup truck as demand slows” [MSN – 4/05/2024]

There is something really big in this story, specifically the suspension (excuse me, “delay”) in launching electric pickup production at Ford’s new plant outside Memphis.

Ford Motor said Thursday it had delayed the planned launches of three-row EVs in Canada and its next-generation electric pickup truck in Tennessee as the slowdown in EV demand globally forces automakers to revise production plans. Ford said separately it was boosting hybrid electric vehicle offerings and by 2030 expects to offer hybrid powertrains across its lineup of gas-powered vehicles.
Separately, Ford said it will delay deliveries of an all-new EV truck it will build at a new plant in western Tennessee until 2026. Ford said last year it planned to begin production in late 2025 and build up to 500,000 electric trucks annually at the plant.

As I have previously documented, Ford’s massive $12 billion investment in Tennessee and Kentucky included an EV manufacturing plant and an EV battery plant near Memphis, plus another battery plant in Kentucky. Ford has already indefinitely suspended the Kentucky battery plant in an announcement in October 2023, disclosing that it was canceling $12 billion in EV spending.

Remember, Ford sold only 10,000 EVs in Q1 2024, which annualizes to just 40,000 in a full year…and its demand is decreasing. Ford already has excess EV manufacturing capacity, so there is no use for a new factory that can build 500,000 EVs per year.

One of two things is going to happen:

1) Ford’s “Blue Oval City” plant in Tennessee is going to be mothballed or scuttled.
2) Ford is going to re-purpose this plant to manufacture conventional or hybrid vehicles.

Ford owes its stockholders an answer about this sparkling new albatross in Tennessee. What is clearly not going to happen is the commencement of electric pickup truck production in 2026. Ford is insulting its shareholders by continuing to state that the impossible is going to happen.

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Europe Is Now Assertively Rejecting EVs

It’s not just Americans who are rejecting EVs, Europe is too, with a glut of unsold electric vehicles piling up.

“EU's electric car policy in tatters as sales plummet across continent” [Express – 4/18/2024]

“Chinese EV imports among unsold cars piling up in Europe's ports; Several automakers have leased large areas in the ports for vehicle imports that so far have no customers for the cars” [Automotive News – 4/15/2024]

And it’s not just Chinese EVs that Europeans are declining to purchase. They’re backing off of European EV brands too. Volkswagen has been the leading retailer of EVs in Europe, but its Q1 2024 EV sales dropped dramatically from Q1 2023.

“Volkswagen Group Global EV Sales Slid In Q1 2024” [Inside EVs – 4/13/2024]

The company sold roughly 3.3% fewer all-electric vehicles [globally] than a year ago. In Europe, the decline was 24.3%.

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VW’s Problems in the U.S.

The same article referenced directly above also notes that Volkswagen’s year-over-year Q1 electric vehicle sales in the U.S. were down 16%.

With VW’s electric vehicle efforts in this country already failing, what is to become of its new EV plant in Tennessee, which opened less than two years ago, and is adjacent to a plant that builds gas-powered VWs?

It’s barely worth noting at this point that Tennessee Governor Bill Lee (R) threw $50 million of taxpayer grants at VW to build this EV plant. Of course he did. A ridiculous amount of Tennessee taxpayer money has been thrown at EV boondoggles. It’s embarrassing.

And speaking of that VW plant in Tennessee.

“Tennessee Volkswagen employees overwhelmingly vote to join United Auto Workers union” [AP – 4/20/2024]

Employees at a Volkswagen factory in Chattanooga, Tennessee, overwhelmingly voted to join the United Auto Workers union Friday in a historic first test of the UAW’s renewed effort to organize nonunion factories.

I’m kind of agnostic about this. If VW were a well-run company, I’d be concerned about the potential harm that this could cause. But if VW were a well-run company, the employees probably wouldn’t be unionizing.

VW as a company has embraced the left-wing agenda of western globalists, including climate communism and cultural communism. It’s doubtful the company can survive too long with that communist rot within.

But it also seems a little unfair then, that in a passionately communist organization like VW, why hasn’t it fully embraced economic communism too? How is it fair that it is leaving the employees out of its communist mission? Isn’t any profit VW makes due to its exploitation of labor?

I’m not really serious, of course, but if VW is on a suicide path in obedience to its globalist/communist overlords, the employees might as well get as much as they can before VW is gone.

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My Latest at The Pipeline

In my latest piece at The Pipeline (EVs Enter the Doom Loop) I note the similarity between the irrational exuberance of the EV bubble, which is now busting, to the dot com bubble of a quarter-century ago, with the notable difference that unlike the dot com era, the EV bubble has been soaked in sanctimony and has received a flood of taxpayer subsidization before it started going bust.

My latest at The Pipeline “EVs Enter the Doom Loop” looks at the boom-to-bust cycle of companies riding the EV wave, focusing on one which just failed after all the media hype, political photo ops, government incentives, and a stock price run-up and crash. https://t.co/ZdwgRY64x3
— Buck Throckmorton (@BuckThrockmort) April 30, 2024

I’d be honored if you’d give it a read.

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>>> Breaking News

After I had today’s post all coded and ready to go, this news broke:

“Rivian receives $827 million in incentives to expand Illinois facility” [Reuters – 5/02/2024]

First off, congratulations to Brian Kemp for no longer being the EV industry’s biggest mark. Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker has set a new standard of credulity by throwing almost a billion dollars at a company that is already deep into its doom loop.

In exchange for the Illinois tax incentive money, Rivian has promised to expand the capacity at its Illinois plant from 150,000 units per year to 215,000. Bear in mind that Rivian is currently struggling to sell 50,000 EVs per year.

What does this mean for the “delayed” Rivian plant in Georgia? What it means is that as much as Rivian didn’t need a new plant in Georgia before, it doesn’t need it even more now!

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 1st?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 03, 2024 11:00 AM (9yWhg)

2 1

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 03, 2024 11:00 AM (JMAcK)

3 No, 2

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 03, 2024 11:00 AM (JMAcK)

4 So the rest of the world can buy electric cars?

Who wants to tell them?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Men say we like these traits in women, women reply no, you are wrong at May 03, 2024 11:01 AM (IF3vp)

5 Yessss! Hey, Buck. I'll call the others.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 03, 2024 11:01 AM (9yWhg)

6 There's nothing Normal in Illinois.

Posted by: pawn at May 03, 2024 11:02 AM (QB+5g)

7 The Austrians talk about government driven mal-investment driving their business cycle.

But that was generally just from monetary policy.

This is FAAAAAAR worse. We're seriously screwed from these horrific things draining resources from things people actually need.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 03, 2024 11:02 AM (JMAcK)

8 Another fire broke out Monday afternoon at the Rivian plant in Normal – at least the second fire in four days.
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Obviously sabotage. Brian Kemp sent people to Illinois to torch the Rivian factory there so the company has no choice but to relocate to the facility in Georgia, transforming the boondoggle into a success!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:02 AM (HnUIn)

9 (Austrian Economists. I doubt normal Austrians talk about the business cycle.)

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 03, 2024 11:03 AM (JMAcK)

10 Porsche EV...4 door...talk about a niche market.

Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2024 11:03 AM (AwYPR)

11 Do better, climate sinners. Be better. Driving an EV isn’t going to get you the climate indulgence you seek.
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:: shrug ::

It will until it won't. We're not quite there yet. It will keep escalating until the system breaks. Once the system breaks, there's not room for *any* of this virtue-signaling nonsense because it will result in death.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:03 AM (HnUIn)

12
The propagation of EV road guano continues apace.

Good to know!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 03, 2024 11:04 AM (xG4kz)

13 Also that gay rainbow VW symbol seems redundant.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you insisted they didn't follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:04 AM (IF3vp)

14 > One of two things is going to happen:

1) Ford’s “Blue Oval City” plant in Tennessee is going to be mothballed or scuttled.
2) Ford is going to re-purpose this plant to manufacture conventional or hybrid vehicles.
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There's a sister facility here in Kentucky. On plant being built (or nearly so) and one on hold.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 03, 2024 11:04 AM (Q4IgG)

15 "Porsche EV...4 door...talk about a niche market."

Who wants to drive fast with a car full of people other than teenagers?

Posted by: pawn at May 03, 2024 11:05 AM (QB+5g)

16 Morning.

lol Rivian

Your cars look so good on the backs of tow trucks.

Posted by: Robert at May 03, 2024 11:05 AM (1Yy3c)

17 The fee for Tennessee EV owners to register their vehicle increased to $200 per year in 2024, and it’s going up to $274 per year in 2026.
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How politically incorrect of them. We will have to do something about that.

A mileage tax is the correct approach to this problem, verified with GPS transponders in all vehicles that also give the government total access to the location data of every citizen.

Posted by: The US Government at May 03, 2024 11:05 AM (HnUIn)

18 A fire at the Rivian plant in Normal forced the evacuation of the plant for an hour and a half Thursday morning. The fire happened under a section of conveyor that moves vehicle chassis down the assembly line on the western side of the building, said the Normal Fire Department. Flames did not spread beyond the area, but firefighters said it took some time to ventilate smoke and do air-quality tests in the building.

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So how does the EPA account for this in terms of equivalent MPG?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you insisted they shouldn't follow their drea at May 03, 2024 11:05 AM (IF3vp)

19 The one inescapable law of economics is opportunity cost. When you piss away money you could have used it for something else useful.

It's no different when you borrow the money. And it's no different when it's in the trillions.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 03, 2024 11:05 AM (Gse2f)

20 The early adopters already bought their EVs, and no one else really wants them.
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This, too, was the story of the AMC Pacer. Except that the Pacer actually managed to make some money for AMC.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:06 AM (HnUIn)

21 That’s right, Saint Greta the Climate Puppet and her friends at “Fridays for Future Stockholm” are fed up with the exploitation of Congo and its people ”…so that the rest of the world can buy electric cars and other electronic devices.”

When she's right, she's right.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:06 AM (CsUN+)

22 Make it worse on volume.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 03, 2024 11:06 AM (HWgR4)

23 Speaking of the economy . . .

Google Lays off Hundreds From “Core" Teams and Outsources Roles to India and Mexico

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You hate to see that.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 03, 2024 11:06 AM (L/fGl)

24 Thinking of investing in a horse farm.

Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2024 11:06 AM (AwYPR)

25 And with its growing glut of unsold EVs, Ford is having to radically discount new EV sales to make the excess inventory go away…which leaves the first suckers who paid full price desperately underwater on a lousy electric vehicle that they cannot trade out of.
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Not just Ford. EVs have had catastrophic depreciation. Anyone with a long-term note on an EV - and that's probably most EV owners - is stuck. For years.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:07 AM (HnUIn)

26 I've noticed recent Lexus ads for hybrids. No mention of pure EVs. Sanity is returning.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:07 AM (CsUN+)

27 Apparently Stellantis, after seeing the wreckage and devastation being wrought in the car market has decided to go full steam ahead with a fully electric Wrangler as well as the electrification of the rest of their lineup.

Currently most Jeep products have a near years supply of inventory as no one is buying their overpriced garbage vehicles.

Anyone who buys a new Jeep product is out of their minds.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 03, 2024 11:07 AM (XV/Pl)

28 When the outsourcing dam breaks at Google, it's pretty much over for them.

Posted by: pawn at May 03, 2024 11:07 AM (QB+5g)

29 Sure Ford loses a mere $132,000+ on each EV they manage to sell but they make it up on volume.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 03, 2024 11:07 AM (17s+e)

30 From Wiki...No doubt China has been the leading lobbying player (and politician pocket liner) in trying to force EVs on everyone...

"Battery manufacturers
The battery industry is closely related to the EV industry as batteries constitute around 1/3 of the cost of EVs[7] and around 80% of lithium-ion batteries in the world are used in EVs.[8] It is estimated to be worth around $30 billion 2021 and expected to grow to around $127 billion by 2027,[32] with demand expected to reach 3000 Gwh by 2030. Globally, manufacturing capacity is expected to increase to more than 5,500 GWh by 2030, including 3,000 GWh of capacity announced by Chinese manufacturers to date.[8]

"As of 2021, total demand of the market was 296.8 GWh, over double of the amount in 2020.[9] As of Q1 2021, LFP type battery market share reached 24.1%,[33] with Chinese manufacturers holding a near monopoly,[7] and is expected to rise further to surpass NCM type batteries in 2028.[8]"

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:08 AM (exHjb)

31 Interest Payments on National Debt to Soon Be Largest Individual Federal Expenditure

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What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 03, 2024 11:08 AM (L/fGl)

32 The company sold roughly 3.3% fewer all-electric vehicles [globally] than a year ago. In Europe, the decline was 24.3%.
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What does the wider European market look like? EVs are down by a huge amount. Okay. What about the rest? Are cars down across the board? Are certain segments up? That kind of decline is staggering, and requires some contextualization. "We're over EVs" might be the actual answer, but that looks like something much bigger going on.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:08 AM (HnUIn)

33 Meanwhile, just four days earlier, there was another fire at the same Rivian plant, this one on the assembly line.
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*sigh*

Posted by: Guy who has to reset the Days Since Last Fire board at May 03, 2024 11:08 AM (wQXfi)

34 24 Thinking of investing in a horse farm.
Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2024 11:06 AM (AwYPR)

Buggy whip futures looking bright! Get in on the ground floor!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at May 03, 2024 11:09 AM (HWgR4)

35 First off, congratulations to Brian Kemp for no longer being the EV industry’s biggest mark. Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker has set a new standard of credulity by throwing almost a billion dollars at a company that is already deep into its doom loop.
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Hey, it's only money. Money is free.
-- Government

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:09 AM (HnUIn)

36 The fee for Tennessee EV owners to register their vehicle increased to $200 per year in 2024, and it’s going up to $274 per year in 2026.

$200 for registration? NH laughs at them. I'm paying +$200 for yearly registration for my 2014 Silverado half ton. I pay $50 for my 2001 Honda Sabre 1100.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 03, 2024 11:09 AM (N39Ws)

37 I think Tennessee is a right to work state, but I also suspect we're beyond pretending that sort of thing matters in the big picture unless there's some sort of specific issue that arises.

Voting bloc wise I'm certain the industry and politicians will cater to and court and flirt with and try to treat Tennessee UAW members the same as the yankee states'.

See also: Teachers / NEA union everywhere

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:09 AM (IF3vp)

38 yeah, they call him skolstrejk...

Posted by: rejected ray stevens lyrics at May 03, 2024 11:10 AM (v3pYe)

39 Funny. I've been talking about the inhumane, exploitative and literally toxic conditions of mining the substances needed for electric car batteries for a long time, and only now are the ostensible dedicated environmentalists and humanitarians starting to notice.

Posted by: Hypocrites and posers at May 03, 2024 11:10 AM (Wc83a)

40 I think we are in the early stages of the Cubanization of the US ICE fleet.

People will be driving 2005 Colorado's, 50 years from now.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 03, 2024 11:10 AM (XV/Pl)

41 Saint Greta Is Not Pleased With All You Electric Car Buyers

Awwww.

Hey Greta, there's a new hmm, "leader" in Haiti you ought to meet.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 03, 2024 11:10 AM (llON8)

42 31 Interest Payments on National Debt to Soon Be Largest Individual Federal Expenditure

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What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 03, 2024 11:08 AM (L/fGl)

Money printing machines go brrrrrrrrrr!!!!

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 03, 2024 11:10 AM (N39Ws)

43 9 (Austrian Economists. I doubt normal Austrians talk about the business cycle.)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 03, 2024 11:03 AM (JMAcK)

Ask me what language they speak.

Posted by: President Barack H. Obama, Jr. at May 03, 2024 11:10 AM (PiwSw)

44 In reviewing the indictment, he discovered Willis had attempted to proactively justify her jurisdiction to bring the case, which led him to question that assertion. He described a letter Willis wrote to the court as he paraphrased Willis’ argument saying that “the rest of the state, the secretary of state, and the governor, they’re all compromised” and elaborated with, “I’m the only one left standing, that can investigate this.” After examining the whole issue more thoroughly, he discovered she may not have the jurisdiction she thought she had.

Here’s where this gets very interesting: According to Kachouroff, if the court of appeals or the Georgia Supreme Court were to rule in Floyd’s favor, it would mean Willis indicted the defendants without proper jurisdiction. Not only would that cause her entire case to crumble like a house of cards, but such a ruling would also remove her immunity. This would leave her and Fulton County vulnerable to a multimillion-dollar lawsuit for violating the civil rights of each of the defendants.

Posted by: SMOD at May 03, 2024 11:11 AM (RHGPo)

45
The early adopters already bought their EVs, and no one else really wants them.

I was mildly chastised by Toyota Pious true believers with whom I was acquainted about 25 years ago for not getting on board with the latest thing that the smart set declared a "must have".

I gave 'em the stink eye and ignored their unrequested wisdom.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 03, 2024 11:11 AM (xG4kz)

46 Not just Ford. EVs have had catastrophic depreciation. Anyone with a long-term note on an EV - and that's probably most EV owners - is stuck. For years.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

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On the bright side, that's only 25% of EV buyers since 75% of purchasers/lease holders are government or businesses.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:11 AM (IF3vp)

47 From Wiki...No doubt China has been the leading lobbying player (and politician pocket liner) in trying to force EVs on everyone...

Just weeks ago, there were many stories about China's EV manufacturing in Mexico, and how it would wipe out domestics. Trump even mentioned it.

Now, it looks like that was a poor investment by China. I suspect they'll convert the plant to ICEs, and that may have been the plan all along. More likely is that PRC thugs aren't especially good at investment.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:11 AM (CsUN+)

48 If Greta is striking for solidarity with Congo, shouldn't she be taking the day off?

Posted by: fd at May 03, 2024 11:11 AM (vFG9F)

49 *reads Buck's excellent post*

*summons energy*

*begins massive laughing spazz ala Tom Hanks in The Money Pit*

https://youtu.be/q2rVcxkbIQc

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 03, 2024 11:11 AM (4I/2K)

50
WAKANDA FOREVER
- Greta

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:12 AM (IF3vp)

51 40 I think we are in the early stages of the Cubanization of the US ICE fleet.

People will be driving 2005 Colorado's, 50 years from now.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 03, 2024 11:10 AM (XV/Pl)

As much as I want to trade up on my motorcycle, this is why i'm keeping my 2001 Sabre. Not computer on it, carbureted and just works.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 03, 2024 11:12 AM (N39Ws)

52 Seeing as how the only job she has is protesting.

Posted by: fd at May 03, 2024 11:13 AM (vFG9F)

53 Look out! Mrs. Killer Joe is pissed!

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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 03, 2024 11:13 AM (L/fGl)

54 Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker has set a new standard of credulity by throwing almost a billion dollars at a company that is already deep into its doom loop.

Fatgov's family is big time pushing / funding tranny BS. If he's funding EVs too then he's getting at *least* 10% kickback.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 03, 2024 11:13 AM (llON8)

55
*sigh*
Posted by: Guy who has to reset the Days Since Last Fire board

Hey, at least its steady work!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 03, 2024 11:13 AM (xG4kz)

56 What has an EV ever done to you to deserve such negativity?

Posted by: Sixiron at May 03, 2024 11:14 AM (c4Wfm)

57 fed up with the exploitation of Congo and its people ”…so that the rest of the world can buy electric cars and other electronic devices.”

... like the one we used to take this picture and the millions used to post, store and distribute it worldwide.

Posted by: spindrift at May 03, 2024 11:14 AM (OguvZ)

58 (goes to find that Bingo Bango Bongo song)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:14 AM (IF3vp)

59 The Prius is a different beast though. It's a hybrid and hybrids can make sense in a couple of perspectives.

EVs do not.

Posted by: pawn at May 03, 2024 11:15 AM (QB+5g)

60 They say electric cars are for fags, which is the main reason I would never own one.

Posted by: Ambiguously Gay Richard Simmons at May 03, 2024 11:15 AM (Zz86T)

61 (goes to find that Bingo Bango Bongo song)
Posted by: Moron Robbie

Did they dump Irving?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 03, 2024 11:15 AM (9yWhg)

62 Carnegie and Vanderbilt had nothing on these deranged assholes. These people are fucking evil.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at May 03, 2024 11:15 AM (R4t5M)

63 >>> 32 The company sold roughly 3.3% fewer all-electric vehicles [globally] than a year ago. In Europe, the decline was 24.3%.
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What does the wider European market look like? EVs are down by a huge amount. Okay. What about the rest? Are cars down across the board? Are certain segments up? That kind of decline is staggering, and requires some contextualization. "We're over EVs" might be the actual answer, but that looks like something much bigger going on.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:08 AM (HnUIn)

What's that you say? People who can barely fkn feed their families aren't buying new cars at $30k starting prices?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 03, 2024 11:16 AM (llON8)

64 [Twilight Zone theme]

Hulk Hogan Says He Got a Voice Message from Roddy Piper Two Days After His Death

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 03, 2024 11:16 AM (L/fGl)

65 (goes to find that Bingo Bango Bongo song)
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Did they dump Irving?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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LOVE IS LOVE, H8R

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:16 AM (IF3vp)

66 You want to talk about folly?

In fear of another "occupation," I suppose, my employer has placed gates across the exit points to the street from our buildings. No word yet if it is supposed to be temporary, or will remain until the end of the work day or even beyond. To leave, it appears now, I would have to walk close to a mile up and around a large block, and in the rain, to get to my car -- which is only a few yards from my office.

I've written an email to the president himself. I don't care if he likes it. This is as bad in its way as the Sniffle Scare and Face Diaper Hoax were.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2024 11:16 AM (J2vNu)

67 The true goal of the government has had is elimination of personal mobility of the common man. In this endeavor they have been very successful.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 03, 2024 11:16 AM (17s+e)

68 Carnegie and Vanderbilt had nothing on these deranged assholes.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

They built stuff that worked.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 03, 2024 11:16 AM (9yWhg)

69 And the engineering that went into the Prius is phenomenal.

Posted by: pawn at May 03, 2024 11:17 AM (QB+5g)

70 A fire at the Rivian plant in Normal forced the evacuation of the plant for an hour and a half Thursday morning. The fire happened under a section of conveyor that moves vehicle chassis down the assembly line on the western side of the building, said the Normal Fire Department. Flames did not spread beyond the area, but firefighters said it took some time to ventilate smoke and do air-quality tests in the building.

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So how does the EPA account for this in terms of equivalent MPG?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you insisted they shouldn't follow their drea at May 03, 2024 11:05 AM (IF3vp)

It's a writeoff, Moron Robbie. They just write it off!

Posted by: Kramer at May 03, 2024 11:17 AM (4I/2K)

71 Driving through Georgia we saw our first Tesla Cybertruck in the wild. Such a weird looking, butt ugly "truck". Who to would buy something like that. Its not a work truck or a farm truck, its a smug truck.

Posted by: Megthered at May 03, 2024 11:17 AM (2ypaJ)

72 They say electric cars are for fags, which is the main reason I would never own one.

Posted by: Ambiguously Gay Richard Simmons

Have you met Gerolamo Barbarigo? I think you two would get along.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:17 AM (CsUN+)

73 64 [Twilight Zone theme]

Hulk Hogan Says He Got a Voice Message from Roddy Piper Two Days After His Death
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 03, 2024 11:16 AM (L/fGl)

Sup Dawg, got any bubble gum?

Posted by: Transcript of Hogan's Voice Mail message at May 03, 2024 11:17 AM (PiwSw)

74 Here's an idea Ford. You have the best selling vehicle in the country, the F150. Find a way to make basic F150s that don't cost $60k by the time they get to the lot and I bet you can make up some of that money you're losing.

Posted by: brak at May 03, 2024 11:18 AM (AR07F)

75 I “fill up” my EV for about $7-8 worth of electricity at home. Same fill up for a comparable ICE would be $60-70. So OK I’ll pay an extra $100 a year to register. Shit I make that up by the middle of January.

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:18 AM (tpjlM)

76 They say electric cars are for fags, which is the main reason I would never own one.
Posted by: Ambiguously Gay Richard Simmons

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You're not supposed to draw conclusions by looking at data showing that the vast majority of non-govt / non-corporate Tesla purchases are by childless and wealthy older white men in California.

Also love is love, h8r.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:18 AM (IF3vp)

77 News informs me that a car carrier on a highway in a town near me caught on fire. It doesn't say whether the carrier itself or the cars were electric, but I expect some electric vehicles were involved. The unintentionally funny thing about all the stories on this site is that you cannot comment on them anymore. They tell us "ability to comment has been temporarily removed while we improve our service." LOL. Yeah, right. They just don't want negative comments on any left wing stories.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2024 11:18 AM (XkYcA)

78 Driving through Georgia we saw our first Tesla Cybertruck in the wild. Such a weird looking, butt ugly "truck". Who to would buy something like that. Its not a work truck or a farm truck, its a smug truck.

Well? Something has to replace the other EVs.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:18 AM (CsUN+)

79 68 Carnegie and Vanderbilt had nothing on these deranged assholes.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

They built stuff that worked.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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Useful stuff that advanced humanity.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 03, 2024 11:19 AM (17s+e)

80 >>> 24 Thinking of investing in a horse farm.
Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2024 11:06 AM (AwYPR)

There is at least one Moron(ette) who is a horse trainer.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 03, 2024 11:20 AM (llON8)

81 34 24 Thinking of investing in a horse farm.
Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2024 11:06 AM (AwYPR)

Buggy whip futures looking bright! Get in on the ground floor!

hmmm. *scribbles note* buggy whips incorporating strings of addressable leds

Posted by: rejected ray stevens lyrics at May 03, 2024 11:20 AM (v3pYe)

82
And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind
Let us rejoice and let us sing
And dance and ring in the new
Hail, Stellantis!

[Chorus 1]
Way down below the sea of red ink
There its gonna stay, for many a day.
Way down below the sea of red ink
There its gonna stay, for many a day.
Way down below the sea of red ink
There its gonna stay, for many a day.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 03, 2024 11:20 AM (xG4kz)

83 Montec,

You smell something burning?

Posted by: pawn at May 03, 2024 11:20 AM (QB+5g)

84 200 for registration? NH laughs at them. I'm paying +$200 for yearly registration for my 2014 Silverado half ton. I pay $50 for my 2001 Honda Sabre 1100.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 03, 2024 11:09 AM (N39Ws)

OCIS, I literally just got back from northern NH Town Hall. $960 for 3 cars and a trailer.

Posted by: RI Red at May 03, 2024 11:20 AM (nCaYE)

85 EVs are heavier as well, so do more road damage. Yes, they should pay up.

My new UTV is an EV ... I like the quiet and animals don't hear me coming, so I often surprise them. It is 1400 pounds, but has wide tires, which helps.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 03, 2024 11:20 AM (Cus5s)

86 News informs me that a car carrier on a highway in a town near me caught on fire. It doesn't say whether the carrier itself or the cars were electric, but I expect some electric vehicles were involved.

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You can tell it was EV's when they don't make a big deal about it being ICE cars that constantly catch on fire while being towed, too.

The omission is often key to understanding what is actually happening in American news reports.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:21 AM (IF3vp)

87 Carnegie and Vanderbilt had nothing on these deranged assholes.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

They built stuff that worked.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
—-

Useful stuff that advanced humanity.

I have blood on my hands!
*breaks into tears*

Posted by: J. Robert Oppenheimer at May 03, 2024 11:21 AM (CsUN+)

88 The Cubanization of ICE vehicles is becoming more noticeable in Houston. I'm seeing more and more Frankenstein and/or Zombie cars every week.

Many with the ubiquitous paper tags.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 03, 2024 11:21 AM (4I/2K)

89 61 (goes to find that Bingo Bango Bongo song)
Posted by: Moron Robbie

Did they dump Irving?

the 142nd fasted gun in the west?

Posted by: anachronda at May 03, 2024 11:22 AM (v3pYe)

90 The omission is often key to understanding what is actually happening in American news reports.

They learned from the best at Pravda.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:22 AM (CsUN+)

91 The omission is often key to understanding what is actually happening in American news reports.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:21 AM (IF3vp)

1000% true...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:22 AM (exHjb)

92 >>> 56 ==
Posted by: Sixiron at May 03, 2024 11:14 AM (c4Wfm)

I'm not positive if this is a sock or a troll.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 03, 2024 11:22 AM (llON8)

93 A few weeks ago it was announced that Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp’s (R) $1.5 billion taxpayer-subsidized boondoggle east of Atlanta was indefinitely suspended by Rivian.
____

A fool and his money are soon parted

An elected fool with your money is also soon parted, but at least that fool gets to keep his 10%

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 03, 2024 11:23 AM (2FaHc)

94 $200 for registration? NH laughs at them. I'm paying +$200 for yearly registration for my 2014 Silverado half ton. I pay $50 for my 2001 Honda Sabre 1100.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 03, 2024 11:09 AM (N39Ws)
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It's all about proportion. As Buck pointed out, apparently gas cars in TN have a $32 registration fee, which is hilariously cheap.

So the EV registration cost of $274 is 8.5x greater, which is a lot. The stated reason is to offset losses in fuel taxes, which is how the roads are funded. Well, let's test the verity of that.

The Tennessee gas tax per the state's website is 27.4 cents per gallon. Also per the website, the federal gas tax is 18.4 cents, and the states receives about 90% of that through federal highway funding. That implies a total state revenue of 43.96 cents per gallon of gasoline sold. The registration cost difference between EVs and gas cars is $242, which implies that it is offsetting 550.5 gallons of gasoline sold, which is around 40 tanks of gas at 14 gallons each (a "fill-up" of a car with a 16-gallon tank), which implies a fill-up every 0.75 weeks.

That seems reasonable from the standpoint of policy averages, assuming a commute.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:23 AM (HnUIn)

95 I thought Greta already did her "skolstrejk" - but what about your smartphone with camera, little one? I'll bet you and all of your little skolstrejking friends have one.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at May 03, 2024 11:23 AM (w6EFb)

96 75 I “fill up” my EV for about $7-8 worth of electricity at home. Same fill up for a comparable ICE would be $60-70. So OK I’ll pay an extra $100 a year to register. Shit I make that up by the middle of January.
Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:18 AM (tpjlM)

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Is that fill up for comparable range? Have you factored in cost of ownership with depreciation, insurance, maintenance, battery replacement,…

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 03, 2024 11:23 AM (17s+e)

97 >>> 88 The Cubanization of ICE vehicles is becoming more noticeable in Houston. I'm seeing more and more Frankenstein and/or Zombie cars every week.

Many with the ubiquitous paper tags.
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 03, 2024 11:21 AM (4I/2K)

Why are you hating on undocumented people driving undocumented cars?

Posted by: This... is XiNN at May 03, 2024 11:23 AM (llON8)

98 > My new UTV is an EV ... I like the quiet and animals don't hear me coming, so I often surprise them. It is 1400 pounds, but has wide tires, which helps.
____________

I've been thinking about one for the property here. Not for hunting but for light duty around the place.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 03, 2024 11:24 AM (Q4IgG)

99 A fool and his money are soon parted

An elected fool with your money is also soon parted, but at least that fool gets to keep his 10%
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 03, 2024 11:23 AM (2FaHc)
++++
Ouch.

Well done.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:24 AM (HnUIn)

100 Montec,

You smell something burning?
Posted by: pawn at May 03, 2024 11:20 AM (QB+5g)

There are several million EVs in the Us right now. The way some peeps here act you’d think there are millions of house fires happening all across the land from them. It’s such a weird reason to hate them.

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:24 AM (tpjlM)

101 One thing you can say about tulip mania is that tulips at least won't burn the factory down as they are easily extingushed, even in bulb form.

Posted by: Just Lily at May 03, 2024 11:24 AM (ZdK8Y)

102 Saw a article this week a Fisker got side hit, guessing the passage side doors were damaged. The EV was totalled because parts are not available.

Posted by: Skip at May 03, 2024 11:24 AM (lKTQz)

103 Their actual intention is to ban private vehicles entirely (except for the Ruling Class, of course), but they will pretend that you can use EVs until they ban gas-powered vehicles, and then they'll ban EVs.

Same playbook they did with electrical power plants - using natural gas was great, until they shut down most of the coal plants, and now they want to ban natural gas.

Posted by: Emmanuel Macron, Soon To Be Vaporized! at May 03, 2024 11:24 AM (uxCna)

104 84
OCIS, I literally just got back from northern NH Town Hall. $960 for 3 cars and a trailer.
Posted by: RI Red at May 03, 2024 11:20 AM (nCaYE)

Get your property tax bill yet? Got mine yesterday.
$6046 for Jul-Dec. This hasn't factored in the new work done on the house last year, nor that the property directly behind me has been converted to conservation land.
For the last few years my property tax bill is more than my mortgage payments for the same period of time.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 03, 2024 11:25 AM (N39Ws)

105 Thank you Buck! I love stories with a happy ending!

Posted by: DanMan at May 03, 2024 11:27 AM (8uzBS)

106 How many miles on that charge Montec? My 2017 Focus will go about 100 miles for about $7.

Posted by: fd at May 03, 2024 11:27 AM (vFG9F)

107
A few weeks ago it was announced that Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp’s (R) $1.5 billion taxpayer-subsidized boondoggle east of Atlanta was indefinitely suspended by Rivian.

Recover the property under eminent domain and announce that Georgia is going to build a second, bigger and better cop-land facility there. Rock the protesters' worlds.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 03, 2024 11:27 AM (xG4kz)

108 > I “fill up” my EV for about $7-8 worth of electricity at home. Same fill up for a comparable ICE would be $60-70.
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What make/model of EV do you "fill up" and what is the comparable ICE you're using to equate?

I'm not questioning the $ you spend to "fill up" but I'd like to know what specifically you have and what you're comparing it to.

I haven't had a $60-70 dollar fill-up since last year.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 03, 2024 11:27 AM (Q4IgG)

109 And it cost $11,000 brand new in 2017.

Posted by: fd at May 03, 2024 11:28 AM (vFG9F)

110 People laugh at EVs burning houses and factories down and sinking ships for the same reason they laugh at Lucas / British crap. It's funny and easy to make fun of.

Might as well embrace it like the British car lovers do and joke about it instead of hoping to change people's attitude, because the latter won't happen.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:28 AM (IF3vp)

111 This has been growing for weeks on DU (along with "Trump is the demented one"). It's reached the point I need to share it here:

So everybody Know TFG wears Diapers? He can't hide his Stinky Smell or his Necessity to wear Diapers. No you can't make this shit up. https://tinyurl.com/mr378s6h

Did you see this tonight: He is now and forever will be called "Von Schitzenpants". Todd Blanche, the Trump attorney, is reading a post that Michael Cohen made on Twitter, refers to Trump as Von Schitzenpants...now it is in the official trial transcripts.

it was hilarious and the whole panel was cracking up as Tapper read it on CNN tonight. Von Schitzenpants must be hurling a lot of ketchup bottles tonight. (another Lefty favorite for Trump based on anonymous reports)

A former staffer on The Apprentice, claimed in a video that Donald Trump's incontinence and foul odor was an issue.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 03, 2024 11:28 AM (JCZqz)

112 104 84
OCIS, I literally just got back from northern NH Town Hall. $960 for 3 cars and a trailer.
Posted by: RI Red at May 03, 2024 11:20 AM (nCaYE)

If you don't have an EV, move to VA - registration is something like $37/year...but then you pay a car tax on value. If your car has little value, you pay little tax.

Hard to do in a $70K EV...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:29 AM (exHjb)

113 "I’m kind of agnostic about this. If VW were a well-run company, I’d be concerned about the potential harm that this could cause. But if VW were a well-run company, the employees probably wouldn’t be unionizing."

There is that. I am no fan of unions either but if companies stopped shitting on their employees while giving their executives multi-million-dollar bonuses for running their businesses into the ground, the ground for unionization would be far less fertile.

Posted by: Just saying at May 03, 2024 11:29 AM (Wc83a)

114 Is that fill up for comparable range? Have you factored in cost of ownership with depreciation, insurance, maintenance, battery replacement,…
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 03, 2024 11:23 AM (17s+e)

It’s a lease so no depreciation worries. And because EVs are selling poorly leasing them right now is crazy cheap. Which is why I got one in the first place. Didn’t need one just got it because it’s so damn cheap.

cost of ownership. There is none. Maintenance is included from the manufacturer for the duration of my lease and it’s under warranty. So no repair costs. Worst case scenario I may have to replace the tires.

And yes comparable range. Battery range is about 275 miles. A tank of 15 gallons which is my $60-70 amount at 20 mpg gets 300 miles. 20 mpg is what a comparable IC version of my EV would get.

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:29 AM (tpjlM)

115 Noem is a shameless liar and dumpster fire.

A vile POS that should be removed from office.

Posted by: I've got bad news for you at May 03, 2024 11:29 AM (7V8BR)

116 Once the system breaks, there's not room for *any* of this virtue-signaling nonsense because it will result in death

Excellent! You worthless peasants deserve death.

Posted by: WEF aka Your Betters at May 03, 2024 11:30 AM (yOPBE)

117 My 2017 Focus will go about 100 miles for about $7.
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And then can keep going with almost zero concern of where you are or where you're going.

Which turns out to be much, much more important for the vast majority of people than "I can go 200 miles for $7"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:30 AM (IF3vp)

118 Good horses are costly and people don't want to eat them when working days are over. I'm investing in oxen and ox-carts. No Yoke!

Posted by: Cattle Futures at May 03, 2024 11:30 AM (V5BDR)

119 One thing you can say about tulip mania is that tulips at least won't burn the factory down as they are easily extingushed, even in bulb form.

Also, bulbs are very rarely involved in mass shootings.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:30 AM (CsUN+)

120 Another great sales point of EVs is that the batteries quickly become obsolete and unattainable. Makes an EV a very expensive paper weight or anchor when you can’t get a battery because they quit making them.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 03, 2024 11:30 AM (17s+e)

121 Wait until Elon tells them the only reason he started Tesla is because you can't run an ICE on Mars. The enviro angle was all for the subsidy, so thanks for picking up the check!

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 03, 2024 11:30 AM (z+89e)

122 VW seems like an afterthought these days.

Posted by: mr tmz at May 03, 2024 11:31 AM (rJ48h)

123 >>> 116
==
Excellent! You worthless peasants deserve death.
Posted by: WEF aka Your Betters at May 03, 2024 11:30 AM (yOPBE)

I don't think you quite understand.

Posted by: Romanian Christmas at May 03, 2024 11:31 AM (llON8)

124 Does anyone know why Tesla is abandoning their superchargers? They were supposed to be industry leaders?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:31 AM (CsUN+)

125 106 How many miles on that charge Montec? My 2017 Focus will go about 100 miles for about $7.
Posted by: fd at May 03, 2024 11:27 AM (vFG9F)

275 miles on a full charge.

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:32 AM (tpjlM)

126 Good horses are costly and people don't want to eat them when working days are over. I'm investing in oxen and ox-carts. No Yoke!
Posted by: Cattle Futures at May 03, 2024 11:30 AM (V5BDR)

How'd people get around before horses?

Cars.

Posted by: Welcome to Soviet America at May 03, 2024 11:32 AM (Wc83a)

127 120 Another great sales point of EVs is that the batteries quickly become obsolete and unattainable. Makes an EV a very expensive paper weight or anchor when you can’t get a battery because they quit making them.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 03, 2024 11:30 AM (17s+e)

This is why I posted the stuff about batteries and China having a near monopoly. There's no doubt in my mind that China used its money to pay everyone to push EVs the last decade. They had SO much to gain economically and militarily (if we switch to EV garbage defensively and they control the entire battery supply, they become the world power)...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:32 AM (exHjb)

128 2017 Focus was $10,999 brand new. 5 speed. Gets 38-40 mpg, will go 450 miles on a tank. Has 120K miles on it now with zero problems. They can't make that car anymore.

Posted by: fd at May 03, 2024 11:32 AM (vFG9F)

129 Montec, then leading is a good deal. Buying is not.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 03, 2024 11:32 AM (17s+e)

130 In the next 5 years we're getting mandatory auto braking plus mandatory kill switches. One more reason to hold onto your current vehicles until they round us all up for the camps.

Posted by: brak at May 03, 2024 11:32 AM (AR07F)

131 I "fill up" my EV for about $7-8 worth of electricity at home. Same fill up for a comparable ICE would be $60-70. So OK I’ll pay an extra $100 a year to register. Shit I make that up by the middle of January.
Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:18 AM

How's it going Joe Xi? When are you going to clock in? I've been working double shifts since you "left".

Posted by: Electric Vehicle Guy at May 03, 2024 11:33 AM (yOPBE)

132 Good horses are costly and people don't want to eat them when working days are over.

Posted by: Cattle Futures at May 03, 2024 11:30 AM (V5BDR)

Sez who?

Posted by: Frenchies at May 03, 2024 11:33 AM (AwYPR)

133 Hey at least Rivian uses *vegan* leather in their trucks.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 03, 2024 11:33 AM (QNSds)

134 Does anyone know why Tesla is abandoning their superchargers? They were supposed to be industry leaders?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:31 AM (CsUN+)

Lots of competition from other providers. And with converters Teslas can use non Tesla chargers. And mainly because most people charge at home anyway. The Tesla chargers around me are always empty. Why pay 3-4X as much vs what electricity costs at home?

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:33 AM (tpjlM)

135 "275 miles on a full charge.
Posted by: Montec "

That's pretty good. Will you have that car in 5 years?

Posted by: fd at May 03, 2024 11:33 AM (vFG9F)

136 120 Another great sales point of EVs is that the batteries quickly become obsolete and unattainable. Makes an EV a very expensive paper weight or anchor when you can’t get a battery because they quit making them.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 03, 2024 11:30 AM (17s+e)

Excellent point. I can go 400 miles in my 2014 Silverado on a tank of gas. Could the day I bought it, can today - 10 years later. Can a 10yr old EV do that with the same batteries it had when it was new?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 03, 2024 11:34 AM (N39Ws)

137 I think we are in the early stages of the Cubanization of the US ICE fleet.

People will be driving 2005 Colorado's, 50 years from now.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

2007 Ford Ranger still going strong with 193,000 miles on it.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2024 11:34 AM (nFo4U)

138 Some people are slow learners, but the Horde seems well above average. I bet the lions share of the commentariat scrolls right past Montec comments in a Buck EV thread.

Posted by: I Know I Do at May 03, 2024 11:34 AM (V5BDR)

139 124 Does anyone know why Tesla is abandoning their superchargers? They were supposed to be industry leaders?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:31 AM (CsUN+)

If I was a betting person...

B/c it screws the left entirely and shows the entire Biden gov that they screw with him, he can easily screw with them...b/c he was the monopoly here now for the charging network (so many EV manufacturers had bought in to making their cars work now with his network)...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:34 AM (exHjb)

140 2017 Focus was $10,999 brand new. 5 speed. Gets 38-40 mpg, will go 450 miles on a tank.

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Well sure, but if you don't get rid of that and buy a new $60K car that only costs $7 to travel 200 miles at 45mph or less then you're losing money.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:34 AM (IF3vp)

141 Montec, then leading is a good deal. Buying is not.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 03, 2024 11:32 AM (17s+e)

100% agree. Buying an EV today is a stupid move. They will depreciate like crazy over the next couple of years.

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:34 AM (tpjlM)

142 Therefore, we must now put the E.V. advocates on the defensive, making them fear they might lose their precious vehicles as a consequence of their attempted I.C.E. ban. They came after us and we repelled their first assault, but simply repelling an adversary’s attack only sets the stage for their next assault. They must suffer a loss, and they must put all their energy into not suffering any more losses, to ensure that they don’t get the opportunity to come after our gasoline-powered cars again.

Not sure how we accomplish this. The I.C.E. ban and EV push is coming from the WEF. And has been implemented by the Deep State through the EPA regulations (and fines and sales bans for not meeting targets).

President Trump put a hold on the impossible increasing targets from January 2017 to January 2021. And also put in place America-First policies for American jobs. But the stolen election eliminated all that. And the I.C.E. ban and EV push was back full speed ahead.

Without changing the EPA regulations, there will be no change in the EV push.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 03, 2024 11:35 AM (P5BPp)

143 Some people are slow learners, but the Horde seems well above average. I bet the lions share of the commentariat scrolls right past ~~Montec~~ Joe Xiden comments in a Buck EV thread.
Posted by: I Know I Do at May 03, 2024 11:34 AM

FIFY

Posted by: Electric Vehicle Guy at May 03, 2024 11:35 AM (yOPBE)

144 There's also a giant Hyundai EV plant being built out from inland of Savannah. With a lot of the accompanying battery, wire harness, etc.. industries being built nearby. Lots of eggs being put in that basket.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 03, 2024 11:35 AM (Y6IkP)

145 Hey at least Rivian uses *vegan* leather in their trucks.

Do they slaughter the vegans or wait until they die of old age? If the latter, how do they get the wrinkles out? Stretching, steaming?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at May 03, 2024 11:35 AM (dZVON)

146
That's pretty good. Will you have that car in 5 years?
Posted by: fd at May 03, 2024 11:33 AM (vFG9F)

Nope. I have 20 months left on my lease.

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:35 AM (tpjlM)

147 Congo, poor Congo, when hasn't it been exploited. Remember Cubans backed by the Russians? Bet historians know older instances.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 03, 2024 11:36 AM (lCWOD)

148 130 In the next 5 years we're getting mandatory auto braking plus mandatory kill switches. One more reason to hold onto your current vehicles until they round us all up for the camps.
Posted by: brak at May 03, 2024 11:32 AM (AR07F)

Mandatory kill switches will require some type of cellular connection. I'd presume something similar to OnStar? On many chevy vehicles, you can remove the cellular modem card. No cellular modem, no way for the overlords to contact your vehicle. Worst side effect I've read is that the compass no longer works on the digital display.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 03, 2024 11:36 AM (N39Ws)

149 It’s not just Americans who are rejecting EVs, Europe is too, with a glut of unsold electric vehicles piling up.

The most orgasmically amusing thing about all this is contemplating the staggering amount of the dreaded carbon released into the environment to acquire and process the raw materials, produce the vehicles, and ship them to a location where they will rot until still more carbon is used to "reclaim" that which can be reclaimed and discard the rest.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 03, 2024 11:36 AM (U7wke)

150 2001 Ram 2500 diesel hasn't turned over200 000 yet
. It will last longer than I will.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 03, 2024 11:36 AM (mKjJV)

151 149 It’s not just Americans who are rejecting EVs, Europe is too, with a glut of unsold electric vehicles piling up.

The most orgasmically amusing thing about all this is contemplating the staggering amount of the dreaded carbon released into the environment to acquire and process the raw materials, produce the vehicles, and ship them to a location where they will rot until still more carbon is used to "reclaim" that which can be reclaimed and discard the rest.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 03, 2024 11:36 AM (U7wke)

It is an environmental disaster...which will surely get trillions of worldwide government funds to mitigate. The boondoggle always continues...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:37 AM (exHjb)

152 It’s a lease so no depreciation worries. And because EVs are selling poorly leasing them right now is crazy cheap. ...
Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:29 AM (tpjlM)
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Out of curiosity, let me know how that shifts when your lease is up and you trade it in. The primary cost component in a lease is depreciation. The leasing company makes a bet at the start about what depreciation will (based on historical data, of course, but nonetheless a bet) and prices the lease accordingly, plus more for various other things. Expected depreciation is the starting point.

With resale in the trash, a lot of leasing companies (or the manufacturers) are probably going to be booking losses at the end of the transaction when the wholesale price for the returned assets is much, much smaller than expected when the leasing company sells it off. That will have consequences on lease pricing once the glut clears (which will probably take a year or to shake out). I suspect that the cheap leases right now are because that loss is better than sitting on the expensive inventory and getting nothing for it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:38 AM (HnUIn)

153 145 Hey at least Rivian uses *vegan* leather in their trucks.

Do they slaughter the vegans or wait until they die of old age? If the latter, how do they get the wrinkles out? Stretching, steaming?
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at May 03, 2024 11:35 AM (dZVON)

They can't use the brains for tanning, we know that much.

Posted by: Because vegans at May 03, 2024 11:38 AM (Wc83a)

154 "Well sure, but if you don't get rid of that and buy a new $60K car that only costs $7 to travel 200 miles at 45mph or less then you're losing money.
Posted by: Moron Robbie"

I don't buy expensive cars but I bet I have more fun with cars than most folks. Yall can have your EVs. I'm happy with your old petrol burners.

Posted by: fd at May 03, 2024 11:38 AM (vFG9F)

155 I wonder how many EVs are in Pritzker's garage at home?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 03, 2024 11:38 AM (W/lyH)

156 Out of curiosity, let me know how that shifts when your lease is up and you trade it in. The primary cost component in a lease is depreciation. The leasing company makes a bet at the start about what depreciation will (based on historical data, of course, but nonetheless a bet) and prices the lease accordingly, plus more for various other things. Expected depreciation is the starting point.

With resale in the trash, a lot of leasing companies (or the manufacturers) are probably going to be booking losses at the end of the transaction when the wholesale price for the returned assets is much, much smaller than expected when the leasing company sells it off. That will have consequences on lease pricing once the glut clears (which will probably take a year or to shake out). I suspect that the cheap leases right now are because that loss is better than sitting on the expensive inventory and getting nothing for it.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:39 AM (CsUN+)

157 Farley cannot serve two masters. He has to choose between either his communist idols in Davos or the actual consumers visiting Ford dealerships. He really only has one choice. If he continues to pursue the communist/Davos/EV route, Ford will be out of business very shortly.

There is no choice to make for Farley and any other US automaker until the EPA regulations are changed. As they are currently, I.C.E. vehicles cannot meet the ridiculous fuel economy and CO2 emission targets. That was done deliberately.

The only way automakers can change course back to I.C.E. vehicles is if the EPA regulations are scrapped. That will never happen with the Deep State in charge of this country.

Remember that the goal of the WEF is not to convert 100% I.C.E. vehicle ownership to 100% EV ownership. The goal of the WEF is "you will own nothing and you will be happy". And 15-minute cities where automobile ownership is not necessary.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 03, 2024 11:39 AM (P5BPp)

158 2007 Ford Ranger still going strong with 193,000 miles on it.
Posted by: rickb223
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I miss my 1994 Ranger. Drove it for 7 years and bawled like a baby when I had to trade it in. I loved that truck.

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 03, 2024 11:39 AM (wQXfi)

159 VW's social media online username in Italy:

volkswagenitalia

Posted by: Ciampino - not a red herring at May 03, 2024 11:40 AM (qfLjt)

160 With resale in the trash, a lot of leasing companies (or the manufacturers) are probably going to be booking losses at the end of the transaction when the wholesale price for the returned assets is much, much smaller than expected when the leasing company sells it off. That will have consequences on lease pricing once the glut clears (which will probably take a year or to shake out). I suspect that the cheap leases right now are because that loss is better than sitting on the expensive inventory and getting nothing for it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:38 AM (HnUIn)

Or they are gonna be looking at any way to charge the leaseholder at turn in - I'm sure "damage" and "mileage" and anything else they can come up with from the original leasing contract will be a big thing...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:40 AM (exHjb)

161 I doubt normal Austrians talk about the business cycle.

Don't they mostly talk about poo and invading Czechoslovakia?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 03, 2024 11:40 AM (U7wke)

162 Mandatory kill switches will require some type of cellular connection. I'd presume something similar to OnStar? On many chevy vehicles, you can remove the cellular modem card. No cellular modem, no way for the overlords to contact your vehicle. Worst side effect I've read is that the compass no longer works on the digital display.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
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Simple solve of making the car quit working without a signal from central government every few seconds. Or could make removing critical hardware disable car.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 03, 2024 11:40 AM (17s+e)

163 I don’t give a fuck about the environmental issues with EVs. I like that they’re sports cars and cost practically nothing to operate (when leasing). I have a large-ish SUV that does 0-60 in under 4 seconds. And if I want to pass someone on the highway accelerating from 70 to 90 is in the blink of an eye. No lag whatsoever. That instant torque alone is a reason to drive one.

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:42 AM (tpjlM)

164 Simple solve of making the car quit working without a signal from central government every few seconds. Or could make removing critical hardware disable car.

That could be true of new cars, but would only make everyone hang on to their old ones, killing the car companies.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:42 AM (CsUN+)

165 Mandatory kill switches will require some type of cellular connection

Just a radio receiver would work. A coded radio signal that has the VIN and kill code in it and a corresponding chip on the car that decodes that and kills if it matches. Transmitter could be a cop or though the many license plate readers out there.

Posted by: Electric Vehicle Guy at May 03, 2024 11:42 AM (yOPBE)

166 Greta will be happy if you live in cave and eat bugs. Maybe.

Posted by: Ripley at May 03, 2024 11:42 AM (JojsZ)

167 Greta Inbred Thundercunt doesn't care about the environment. She just wants to destroy society so we can go back to the stone age.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, PNW MOME June 1st at May 03, 2024 11:43 AM (xcxpd)

168 Out of curiosity, let me know how that shifts when your lease is up and you trade it in.

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There’s no trading in with a lease. That’s the point of one. At the end of it I take it to the dealer hand in the keys and walk away.

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:43 AM (tpjlM)

169 Ford is adding a third crew at Michigan Assembly

Arriving late; did anyone notice Ford EV employees are moving to 3rd shift.
They were working days and now they're working nights, from personal nursing experience: that sucks.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 03, 2024 11:43 AM (w1jP6)

170 "I have 20 months left on my lease.
Posted by: Montec"

That's fine. You've probably been in that cycle for a while. I'm allergic to leases myself.

Posted by: fd at May 03, 2024 11:43 AM (vFG9F)

171 So-called "vegan leather" is actually, usually, a pretty nice product. If made well - and much of it is - it feels nice and wears fairly well. The way it's made is super cool, too. Some is made from cork or cactus, but the stuff anyone would actually really want is made from mycelium, which is a fungus (sometimes called "mushroom leather").

It is *not* as good as genuine leather. It is not itself a bad product, but it is not as good the real thing, especially in terms of long-term wear. But there are a lot of things - phone cases or shoes (not boots - you need full toughness for boots), for example - where it's a very good material. The upside to it is that is "quite nice" and can be made for less than half the cost of real leather.

What pisses me off about "vegan leather" is that it's often more expensive than genuine leather. The profit margins on the stuff must be ludicrous. It *should* be taking the market by storm by being a quite good product at a markedly lower price and dominating the mid tier - but it isn't, because that virtual signal carries a tremendous premium.

Feh.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:44 AM (HnUIn)

172 167 Greta Inbred Thundercunt doesn't care about the environment. She just wants to destroy society so we can go back to the stone age.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, PNW MOME June 1st at May 03, 2024 11:43 AM (xcxpd)

She (and her parents) never cared about the environment - they just like being paid...a lot...to seem like they do...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:44 AM (exHjb)

173 Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:42 AM (tpjlM)

Whoo, Hoo. You beat some going 70 by passing him going 90 miles an hour, so you could get11 minute ahead. Big win!/s

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (XkYcA)

174 161 I doubt normal Austrians talk about the business cycle.

Don't they mostly talk about poo and invading Czechoslovakia?

and dancing in corridors or something like that.

Posted by: anachronda at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (v3pYe)

175 I imagine Ace will cover this, but dayum.

Stormy Daniels’ Lawyer Just Destroyed Bragg’s Case Against Trump

https://tinyurl.com/yjevk9fa

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (CsUN+)

176 I posted this in previous thread, but it is more applicable here:

Stellantis hires engineers in Brazil, India for $53,000 a year to save costs

https://bit.ly/3UrUes5

Stellantis is currently among the more aggressive and now aims to have roughly two-thirds of the company’s engineers in lower-cost countries over the longer term, said the people, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The push has in some instances caused problems during development, for example in the steering system of the “Smart Car” platform originally developed by India’s Tata Consulting Services, according to the people.

Dozens of French and Italian engineers had to be flown in to work on fixes, the people said.

A lack of engineering resources also is creating production launch problems at the company’s truck plant in Sterling Heights, Mich., according to Mike Spencer, president of UAW Local 1700.

More cuts are planned in the coming months. A source with knowledge of the situation recently told Automotive News that Stellantis is making cuts gradually in order to skirt a U.S. layoff disclosure law, known as the WARN Act.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (P5BPp)

177 Cummins has production plants in several states and continents, but the engines you’ll find in the American-built cars are generally built domestically in Columbus, Indiana. ...

Cummins has 4 manufacturing plants in Mexico: 1 in Juarez, Chihuahua, and 3 in San Luis Potosi.

What brands use Cummins?
The Cummins engine is most commonly found in Dodge Rams, mainly the Ram 2500 and Ram 3500 pickup trucks, as well as Ram 3500, Ram 4500, and Ram 5500 chassis cabs. It has also ... some Ford and Chevy trucks, ... big rigs and buses:

The Kenworth T660, T680, T800, T880, W900 and C500
The Peterbilt 389, 579, 587
The Freightliner Cascadia, Coronado, and 122SD
The International ProStar, 9900i, LoneStar, PayStar, and HX
Are Cummins engines made in China?
Yes, Cummins engines are also built in China, where the company has 5 factories:

Dongfeng Cummins
Chongqing Cummins
Xi’an Cummins
Beijing Foton Cummins
Guangxi Cummins
that shouldn’t necessarily worry you that Ram or any other US company is using Cummins engines built in China. Cummins needed those factories to support the Chinese market, which made up 40% of their engine sales in 2019.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (lCWOD)

178 2001 Ram 2500 diesel hasn't turned over200 000 yet
. It will last longer than I will.
Posted by: Ben Had
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Had to sell my 85 F150 and looking at a late 90s 2500 Ram diesel 2nd gen. What’s bad about them other than the dash breaking? Thanking in advance

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (17s+e)

179 173-Make that "1 minute" ahead.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (XkYcA)

180 Does anyone know why Tesla is abandoning their superchargers? They were supposed to be industry leaders?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:31 AM (CsUN+)

If I was a betting person...

B/c it screws the left entirely and shows the entire Biden gov that they screw with him, he can easily screw with them...b/c he was the monopoly here now for the charging network (so many EV manufacturers had bought in to making their cars work now with his network)...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:34 AM

It's pretty simple actually, Tesla and other EV car manufacturers bet on the US government forcing all Americans to buy EV's within a decade or so and they wanted a piece of the action. Now that that plan has collapsed and EV sales are tanking they are reducing their expenses.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (QNSds)

181 "2007 Ford Ranger still going strong with 193,000 miles on it.
Posted by: rickb223"

I would buy one of those if I could find a good deal on one. There are no good deals on one. Everybody wants to hold on to them.

Posted by: fd at May 03, 2024 11:46 AM (vFG9F)

182 Three factors making the leases cheap. One is heavy incentives. We’re talking as high as $20k for some models. Plus the $7500 fed credit.

Second is inflated residual values. They’re going to take a brutal beating in 2-3 years but for now it’s not a loss.

And third is low interest rate. My lease was 2.87%

Put all three together and a $60k car can be leased for $250/mo with nothing down. A $90k car for $400/mo. It’s Christmas if you want one. Practically giving them away .

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:46 AM (tpjlM)

183 They're not sports cars. Sports cars don't weigh 5000 pounds.

Even then most trucks don't weigh 5000 pounds.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:47 AM (IF3vp)

184 All this news make me laugh my ass off.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 03, 2024 11:47 AM (okSsH)

185 It's pretty simple actually, Tesla and other EV car manufacturers bet on the US government forcing all Americans to buy EV's within a decade or so and they wanted a piece of the action. Now that that plan has collapsed and EV sales are tanking they are reducing their expenses.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (QNSds)

But, if Fed Gov were nice to Musk, he might have decided to loss lead "for the good of mankind". But they aren't, so he isn't...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:47 AM (exHjb)

186 This busty bikini brunette isn't choosy and is just happy to have a car at all in this economy:
http://tiny.cc/j7bxxz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:47 AM (HnUIn)

187 So-called "vegan leather" is actually, usually, a pretty nice product. If made well - and much of it is - it feels nice and wears fairly well. The way it's made is super cool, too. Some is made from cork or cactus, but the stuff anyone would actually really want is made from mycelium, which is a fungus (sometimes called "mushroom leather").
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"cactus leather" or "fungus leather" actually sounds more appealing than "vegan leather"

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 03, 2024 11:48 AM (wQXfi)

188 Whoo, Hoo. You beat some going 70 by passing him going 90 miles an hour, so you could get11 minute ahead. Big win!/s
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (XkYcA)

lol what? You never have to pass someone quickly? I guess you never drive on 2 lane roads.

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:48 AM (tpjlM)

189 "cactus leather" or "fungus leather" actually sounds more appealing than "vegan leather"
Posted by: screaming in digital at May 03, 2024 11:48 AM (wQXfi)
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I agree.

But then they couldn't charge twice as much for the virtue.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:48 AM (HnUIn)

190 but the stuff anyone would actually really want is made from mycelium, which is a fungus (sometimes called "mushroom leather").

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:44 AM (HnUIn)

So you're saying for sporadic uses it's fine?

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 03, 2024 11:49 AM (z+89e)

191 Find a way to make basic F150s that don't cost $60k by the time they get to the lot...

I suspect that would require getting rid of the union workforce AND overthrowing the government.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 03, 2024 11:49 AM (U7wke)

192 This busty bikini brunette isn't choosy and is just happy to have a car at all in this economy:

Somewhere, an aspirin bottle is missing its cotton.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:49 AM (CsUN+)

193 Tesla Model X Is Too Heavy to Drive Legally on Brooklyn Bridge

https://tinyurl.com/22m8mkak

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hahahaha

"sports car"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:49 AM (IF3vp)

194 "This busty bikini brunette isn't choosy and is just happy to have a car at all in this economy:
http://tiny.cc/j7bxxz"

Where's the car?

Posted by: fd at May 03, 2024 11:49 AM (vFG9F)

195 I think Ford is trying to get out of EV's as politically correct as possible. The general corporate subtext today is: #1 Do not upset Joey B., #2 Take as much advantage of government stupidity as possible, caveat #1.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 03, 2024 11:50 AM (lCWOD)

196 http://tiny.cc/j7bxxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:47 AM (HnUIn)

I see she's already dressed to see the waters of my homeworld.

Posted by: Robert at May 03, 2024 11:50 AM (1Yy3c)

197 I don't give a shit whether you like EVs, hate EVs, buy EVs, or wouldn't be caught dead in an EV.

But let the market decide. If EVs really are as good as their fans say, then they should be flying off dealer lots without taxpayers having to subsidize them and without regulators basically forcing them on the market.

I wouldn't be caught dead in an EV. But based on the taxes I pay, I've probably bought a few already and didn't even know it. Where are the subsidies for the cars I like? Why am I paying 100% of my lease?

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 03, 2024 11:50 AM (iFTx/)

198
Has Moo Moo returned?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 03, 2024 11:50 AM (xG4kz)

199 Find a way to make basic F150s that don't cost $60k by the time they get to the lot...

—

They exist. A base f150 is $45k

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:50 AM (tpjlM)

200 Has Moo Moo returned?

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Not returned. Never left.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:50 AM (IF3vp)

201 Stellantis is making cuts gradually in order to skirt a U.S. layoff disclosure law, known as the WARN Act.

We
All
Really
(k)New they were going to screw us.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2024 11:51 AM (nFo4U)

202 It’s not just Americans who are rejecting EVs, Europe is too, with a glut of unsold electric vehicles piling up.

And this is not a problem for the WEF and each western nation's Deep State. They are not interested in people of the world owning EVs. The goal is no one owning vehicles at all.

Step 1 is to ban ICE vehicles and only offer EVs. Step 2 is people reject buying EVs. Step 3 is eventually everyone's ICE vehicle they kept will break down and they will no longer have a way of travel.

Exactly what the WEF wants for every western nation.

The automaker CEOs are in on this. They are getting their golden parachutes and probably paid off by the WEF to make sure they drive the worldwide auto industry into the ground.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 03, 2024 11:51 AM (P5BPp)

203 197 I don't give a shit whether you like EVs, hate EVs, buy EVs, or wouldn't be caught dead in an EV.

But let the market decide.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 03, 2024 11:50 AM (iFTx/)

Amen - stop having the middle class subsidize the rich's hobbies...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:51 AM (exHjb)

204 oh and good job, Buck

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, PNW MOME June 1st at May 03, 2024 11:51 AM (xcxpd)

205 Step 1 is to ban ICE vehicles and only offer EVs. Step 2 is people reject buying EVs. Step 3 is eventually everyone's ICE vehicle they kept will break down and they will no longer have a way of travel.

-

Add 15 minute cities to the mix and it's easy to see their way forward.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:51 AM (IF3vp)

206 This busty bikini brunette isn't choosy and is just happy to have a car at all in this economy:
http://tiny.cc/j7bxxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:47 AM (HnUIn)

I'd take her for a ride in my 2001 F-150 with 235k miles. Find some bumpy roads. Easy to do in Houston.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 03, 2024 11:51 AM (4I/2K)

207 If EVs really are as good as their fans say, then they should be flying off dealer lots without taxpayers having to subsidize them and without regulators basically forcing them on the market.

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They’re good because the subsidies make them cheap. It’s a catch 22

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM (tpjlM)

208 I suspect that would require getting rid of the union workforce AND overthrowing the government.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 03, 2024 11:49 AM (U7wke)
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It would require a market change.

Pickup trucks have become family cars. They're loaded with features that a *truck* as such probably doesn't need, but that people want in their family haulers.

The market for simple standard-cab, long-bed pickup trucks with basic transmissions (auto or manual) and air conditioning but little else is pretty small. You can get one by going through fleet sales, but unless you're buying in quantity the price is still going to be pretty high.

I miss simple, cheap trucks and especially simple, cheap little trucks. The Chevy S-10 was damn near perfect in terms of what I, personally, actually want. The market and the government both eliminated them.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM (HnUIn)

209 Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:48 AM (tpjlM)

LOL. Actually, I never drive. I just teletransport.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM (XkYcA)

210 I bought a gas guzzling truck a few weeks ago. I'm contributing to the betterment of the planet.

I feel really good about myself.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM (dGCAG)

211 I imagine Ace will cover this, but dayum.

Stormy Daniels’ Lawyer Just Destroyed Bragg’s Case Against Trump

https://tinyurl.com/yjevk9fa
Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (CsUN+)

Doesn't matter...a conviction doesn't matter...the objective is just to keep him in court.

Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM (AwYPR)

212 One of TDOT's main sources of revenue comes from Tennessee's gas tax, but with more drivers choosing electric vehicles and using charging stations, TDOT is not seeing as much money from it anymore.

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The gas tax is supposed to pay for road maintenance. OK, I know, only 40% of the gas taxes nationally go to road maintenance, and the rest goes to inner city bus subsidies and high speed rail that doesn't get built, but still.

EV weigh on average twice what ICE vehicles do. Guess how that impacts the roads that need maintenance. Heavy vehicles are normally designed with additional tires to distribute that load, and EV do not. They are damaging the roads and not paying a dime for it.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM (lTGtQ)

213 43 9 (Austrian Economists. I doubt normal Austrians talk about the business cycle.)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 03, 2024 11:03 AM (JMAcK)

Ask me what language they speak.

Posted by: President Barack H. Obama, Jr. at May 03, 2024 11:10 AM (PiwSw)
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Australian, right mate?

Posted by: Ciampino - Esperanto? at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM (qfLjt)

214 207 If EVs really are as good as their fans say, then they should be flying off dealer lots without taxpayers having to subsidize them and without regulators basically forcing them on the market.

—

They’re good because the subsidies make them cheap. It’s a catch 22
Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM (tpjlM)

Then, they are bad...and should be allowed to die off...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:53 AM (exHjb)

215 They can't sell EVs *with* subsidies. Imagine how bad things would be without them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:53 AM (IF3vp)

216 At Insty: Columbia Law says it has no plans to cancel exams. Is sanity returning?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:53 AM (CsUN+)

217 Take an EV for a test drive. You might change your mind.

Posted by: Montec at May 03, 2024 11:53 AM (tpjlM)

218 Somewhere, an aspirin bottle is missing its cotton.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:49 AM (CsUN+)
++++
I don't get it.

I'm not doing the meme thing, I actually don't get it.

Maybe Big Ben will come out of retirement to explain it to me.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:53 AM (HnUIn)

219 This isn't about making people drive EV's, it's about not letting people drive at all...

Posted by: Newcomers at May 03, 2024 11:53 AM (Akjoo)

220 Jukin, this truck is a six speed manual and I did have to replace the clutch this year. I can haul a 30 ft, 5 horse trailer with no problem. I have not had to do a valve yet either.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 03, 2024 11:54 AM (mKjJV)

221 FoMoCo's 5yr chart looks level except for the spike in early '22.

Why no mention of GM and it's giant suck up to Sam?

Posted by: Braenyard at May 03, 2024 11:54 AM (lCWOD)

222 What make/model of EV do you "fill up" and what is the comparable ICE you're using to equate? I'm not questioning the $ you spend to "fill up" but I'd like to know what specifically you have and what you're comparing it to.

I haven't had a $60-70 dollar fill-up since last year.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

My wife drive a Chevy Bolt EV. It averages around 3.7 miles per KW. It actually charges mostly during the day, so it's done through our rough solar panels, which pay us $0.11 per KW of excess energy uploaded? So I figure it's about $.03/mile.

My former Prius (and now, Hyundai Ioniq) hybrid gets about 40mpg. At around $3 gallon, that's $0.075/mile, or 2.5 more? My wife's previous car, an older Honda minivan, got much worse.

So, the amount of savings on fueling vary tremendously based on ICE vehicle used to compare, and fuel costs. Long term...I have no idea, although the ICE will certainly close the gap with cheaper maintenance costs and no lifespan limited battery.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at May 03, 2024 11:54 AM (JCZqz)

223 This busty bikini brunette isn't choosy and is just happy to have a car at all in this economy:
http://tiny.cc/j7bxxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:47 AM (HnUIn)

Sporty. Looks like a fun ride.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, PNW MOME June 1st at May 03, 2024 11:55 AM (xcxpd)

224 Has Moo Moo returned?

Well, he just zipped by at 100 MPH passing the the clods going 70 MPH so he could make to the coffee shop 1 minute sooner.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2024 11:55 AM (XkYcA)

225 219 This isn't about making people drive EV's, it's about not letting people drive at all...
Posted by: Newcomers at May 03, 2024 11:53 AM (Akjoo)

On that point, encourage your kids to get driver's licenses. So many kids I know are not doing it, and this is not a path to a stable independent society.

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:55 AM (exHjb)

226 211 I imagine Ace will cover this, but dayum.

Stormy Daniels’ Lawyer Just Destroyed Bragg’s Case Against Trump

https://tinyurl.com/yjevk9fa
Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (CsUN+)

Doesn't matter...a conviction doesn't matter...the objective is just to keep him in court.
Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM (AwYPR)

======

Evidence and testimony also won't matter to the jury.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 03, 2024 11:55 AM (GBKbO)

227 Doesn't matter...a conviction doesn't matter...the objective is just to keep him in court.

I don't doubt it, but I think they've inadvertently turned him into a martyr. What they're doing should be considered campaign contributions.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:55 AM (CsUN+)

228 I bought a gas guzzling truck a few weeks ago. I'm contributing to the betterment of the planet.

I feel really good about myself.
Posted by: BurtTC

I'm burning some tires this weekend.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2024 11:55 AM (nFo4U)

229 The market for simple standard-cab, long-bed pickup trucks with basic transmissions (auto or manual) and air conditioning but little else is pretty small.

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I don't think it is. Not really. I think the manufacturers know that the public has been conditioned to accept the "what can you afford monthly" approach and are taking full advantage of that, which is why $60K decently appointed trucks are the norm now.

$20-$25K stripper full size trucks would sell like hotcakes, but people would pay cash.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 11:55 AM (IF3vp)

230 Rich people don't have ant farms.
They like to play with people farms.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 03, 2024 11:55 AM (J8LnB)

231 I miss simple, cheap trucks and especially simple, cheap little trucks. The Chevy S-10 was damn near perfect in terms of what I, personally, actually want. The market and the government both eliminated them.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM (HnUIn)

Among the various reasons I would never consider buying a domestic nameplate, is the very fact their market IS being manipulated by the government, to make those cheap, simple trucks unavailable.

They're trying to force buyers away from those vehicles, and now Toyota is doing the same.

You don't need a truck. You don't need to eat meat. You don't need to move more than 15 minutes away from your hovel.

This stuff is real, it's happening.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 03, 2024 11:56 AM (dGCAG)

232 Google Lays off Hundreds From “Core" Teams and Outsources Roles to India and Mexico

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You hate to see that.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,

We will soon see the ultimate level of re-sourcing - slavery. It already exists in clothing manufacture in southeast Asia, and is coming to the other industries.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 03, 2024 11:56 AM (lTGtQ)

233 Saw the best nickname for Greta Thunberg - Doom Goblin.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at May 03, 2024 11:56 AM (XjtdB)

234 I just teletransport.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

"On this week's episode of FenTrek..."

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 03, 2024 11:56 AM (9yWhg)

235 Somewhere, an aspirin bottle is missing its cotton.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:49 AM (CsUN+)
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I don't get it.

I'm not doing the meme thing, I actually don't get it.

Aspirin bottles have a small dollop of cotton in the top to prevent the pills from sloshing around and breaking up. A very small dollop of cotton.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:56 AM (CsUN+)

236 " This isn't about making people drive EV's, it's about not letting people drive at all...
Posted by: Newcomers"

Montec seems to be fine with participating in that. Plus he gets a subsidy!

Posted by: fd at May 03, 2024 11:57 AM (vFG9F)

237 Hating on EV's was always right around the corner.

Remember how much the Left sexually loved natural gas and clean coal up to about 9 months ago?

Posted by: ... at May 03, 2024 11:57 AM (CLyLt)

238 232 Google Lays off Hundreds From “Core" Teams and Outsources Roles to India and Mexico

-
You hate to see that.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,

We will soon see the ultimate level of re-sourcing - slavery. It already exists in clothing manufacture in southeast Asia, and is coming to the other industries.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 03, 2024 11:56 AM (lTGtQ)

This is why you can't have free trade with slave wage countries...and you can't allow their companies to sell products or services here without a HUGE penalty...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 03, 2024 11:57 AM (exHjb)

239 I bought a gas guzzling truck a few weeks ago. I'm contributing to the betterment of the planet.

I feel really good about myself.
Posted by: BurtTC

I'm burning some tires this weekend.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2024 11:55 AM (nFo4U)

Damn. I'm jealous. I wish I had some industrial waste I could dump into the river.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 03, 2024 11:57 AM (dGCAG)

240 Has Moo Moo returned?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 03, 2024 11:50 AM (xG4kz)

Joe Xiden

Posted by: Electric Vehicle Guy at May 03, 2024 11:57 AM (yOPBE)

241 My wife drive a Chevy Bolt EV. It averages around 3.7 miles per KW. It actually charges mostly during the day, so it's done through our rough solar panels, which pay us $0.11 per KW of excess energy uploaded? So I figure it's about $.03/mile.

My former Prius (and now, Hyundai Ioniq) hybrid gets about 40mpg. At around $3 gallon, that's $0.075/mile, or 2.5 more? My wife's previous car, an older Honda minivan, got much worse.

So, the amount of savings on fueling vary tremendously based on ICE vehicle used to compare, and fuel costs. Long term...I have no idea, although the ICE will certainly close the gap with cheaper maintenance costs and no lifespan limited battery.
Posted by: Moron Analyst

What's tire replacement frequency?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2024 11:57 AM (nFo4U)

242 Aspirin bottles have a small dollop of cotton in the top to prevent the pills from sloshing around and breaking up. A very small dollop of cotton.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:56 AM (CsUN+)
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Ah, I see, I think. So you're implying that the garment is small enough that it could have been made from a single piece of pill-bottle cotton.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:57 AM (HnUIn)

243 45
The Toyota Prius is a hybrid and that's okay with me (I don't have one) as it has no mileage limitations.

Posted by: Ciampino - How many gerbils under the hood? at May 03, 2024 11:57 AM (qfLjt)

244 I imagine Ace will cover this, but dayum.

Stormy Daniels’ Lawyer Just Destroyed Bragg’s Case Against Trump

https://tinyurl.com/yjevk9fa
Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (CsUN+)

Doesn't matter...a conviction doesn't matter...the objective is just to keep him in court.

Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM

That is exactly what I said this morning when I read that. In this case a loss is as good as a win because it ties Trump up for 2 months where he can't campaign.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 03, 2024 11:58 AM (QNSds)

245 Posted by: Newcomers"

I've had this sock for 2 days now

Posted by: It's me donna at May 03, 2024 11:58 AM (Akjoo)

246 I miss simple, cheap trucks and especially simple, cheap little trucks. The Chevy S-10 was damn near perfect in terms of what I, personally, actually want. The market and the government both eliminated them.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM (HnUIn)
______

Not just trucks. There were very simple -- and cheap -- cars that were used for just basic transportation up until maybe 15-20 years ago. Think 1990s and early 2000s era Toyota Tercel-type cars. Cheap, no frills, roll-up windows, optional A/C, not an airbag within 50 feet.

But just as with trucks, the government piled on more and more safety and other requirements, which made these cheapies harder and harder to keep cheap. Plus, consumers turned away from these models to more luxurious models packed with options. RIP.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 03, 2024 11:58 AM (iFTx/)

247
210 I bought a gas guzzling truck a few weeks ago. I'm contributing to the betterment of the planet.

I feel really good about myself.
Posted by: BurtTC
---------------------------

Bravo.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 03, 2024 11:58 AM (lCWOD)

248 244 That is exactly what I said this morning when I read that. In this case a loss is as good as a win because it ties Trump up for 2 months where he can't campaign.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 03, 2024 11:58 AM (QNSds)

=======

Polling *spit* doesn't seem to be suffering that much.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 03, 2024 11:58 AM (GBKbO)

249 Damn. I'm jealous. I wish I had some industrial waste I could dump into the river.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 03, 2024 11:57 AM (dGCAG)

We're always looking for exceptional talent, drive, and initiative. Come apply!

Posted by: EPA at May 03, 2024 11:59 AM (4I/2K)

250 Does anyone know why Tesla is abandoning their superchargers? They were supposed to be industry leaders?
Posted by: Archimedes

I would assume the existing infrastructure can't handle the load. Add in data centers, and air conditioning will be a thing of the past for the west.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 03, 2024 11:59 AM (lTGtQ)

251 Aspirin bottles have a small dollop of cotton in the top to prevent the pills from sloshing around and breaking up. A very small dollop of cotton.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:56 AM (CsUN+)
++++
Ah, I see, I think. So you're implying that the garment is small enough that it could have been made from a single piece of pill-bottle cotton.

Apparently it's not one of my better comments.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:59 AM (CsUN+)

252 187 So-called "vegan leather" is actually, usually, a pretty nice product. If made well - and much of it is - it feels nice and wears fairly well. The way it's made is super cool, too. Some is made from cork or cactus, but the stuff anyone would actually really want is made from mycelium, which is a fungus (sometimes called "mushroom leather").

Do they want The Last of Us? Because this is how you get The Last of Us.

Posted by: The clickers can DRIVE!!! at May 03, 2024 11:59 AM (Wc83a)

253 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:47 AM (HnUIn)

Do they still do an evening gown competition for "Miss
Internet Narcissism 2024" or it just the swimsuit competition?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2024 11:59 AM (XkYcA)

254 That kind of decline is staggering, and requires some contextualization. "We're over EVs" might be the actual answer, but that looks like something much bigger going on.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:08 AM

Hasn't the "decline in EV sales" tracked with the elimination of incentives and government subsidies to buy EVs?

The dirty little secret is there was never a market for EVs. The sales that were made were always because of incentives. Once those went away, so went the "market".

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 03, 2024 12:00 PM (P5BPp)

255 What they're doing should be considered campaign contributions.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:55 AM (CsUN+)

If it works....expect to see Joe in a courtroom pre Nov.

Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2024 12:00 PM (AwYPR)

256 Take an EV for a test drive. You might change your mind.

Posted by: Montec

I have driven the self-driving Tesla sedan and the cybertruck. I would not have either one if it was offered for free.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 03, 2024 12:00 PM (lTGtQ)

257 At Insty: Columbia Law says it has no plans to cancel exams. Is sanity returning?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:53 AM (CsUN+)

Spoiler alert!

No.

Posted by: Robert at May 03, 2024 12:01 PM (1Yy3c)

258 Damn. I'm jealous. I wish I had some industrial waste I could dump into the river.
Posted by: BurtTC

Snort.

Seriously, burned a huge brush pile, and I mean huge. 75x75x15. From when they cleared the land three years ago to build the house. Lots of bois d'arc (osage orange). My father-in-law thought it would burn for a week. It was over and done in three days. You couldn't get within 75 feet of it it was so hot.

That was fun.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2024 12:01 PM (nFo4U)

259 I just teletransport.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

"On this week's episode of FenTrek..."
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 03, 2024 11:56 AM

Fen is green? Who knew. Well' I always have envied her...

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 03, 2024 12:01 PM (Ag7IE)

260 I think $100,000 trucks will be the final nail in the coffin for Ford ...

Posted by: E.T. at May 03, 2024 12:01 PM (7CC/F)

261 239 I bought a gas guzzling truck a few weeks ago. I'm contributing to the betterment of the planet.

I feel really good about myself.
Posted by: BurtTC

I'm burning some tires this weekend.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2024 11:55 AM (nFo4U)

Damn. I'm jealous. I wish I had some industrial waste I could dump into the river.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 03, 2024 11:57 AM (dGCAG)

I'm planning on expanding my garden patch. Put in some extra radishes, carrots and tomatoes. Maybe a few more snap peas. It's the best I can do since I don't have room for cows.

Posted by: Just Lily at May 03, 2024 12:01 PM (ZdK8Y)

262 246 But just as with trucks, the government piled on more and more safety and other requirements, which made these cheapies harder and harder to keep cheap. Plus, consumers turned away from these models to more luxurious models packed with options. RIP.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 03, 2024 11:58 AM (iFTx/)

I already won't be able to afford to replace my current car when it dies. Even cars with over 100,000 miles on them go for like $16,000 now.

Posted by: XTC at May 03, 2024 12:01 PM (UnA8+)

263 I have driven the self-driving Tesla sedan and the cybertruck.

-

Its cruise control didn't kill you, so that's a plus.

https://tinyurl.com/26ctwswt

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 12:02 PM (IF3vp)

264 187 So-called "vegan leather" is actually, usually, a pretty nice product. If made well - and much of it is - it feels nice and wears fairly well. The way it's made is super cool, too. Some is made from cork or cactus, but the stuff anyone would actually really want is made from mycelium, which is a fungus (sometimes called "mushroom leather").

Make faux Members Only jackets Great Again!

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 03, 2024 12:02 PM (4I/2K)

265 Greta Inbred Thundercunt doesn't care about the environment. She just wants to destroy society so we can go back to the stone age.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, PNW MOME June 1st at May 03, 2024 11:43 AM (xcxpd)

Greta believes that she is on the "permitted to live" list. Oh, how I wish I could be there when she discovers she's been lied to.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 03, 2024 12:02 PM (U7wke)

266 The dirty little secret is there was never a market for EVs. The sales that were made were always because of incentives. Once those went away, so went the "market".

The other secret is that they extrapolated sales to trendoids and virtue signalers to the entire population. They've saturated the market for those two subsets, and nobody else is interested.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 12:02 PM (CsUN+)

267 I would assume the existing infrastructure can't handle the load.

Add in data centers, and air conditioning will be a thing of the past for the west.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

We'll burn environazis before that happens.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 03, 2024 12:03 PM (nFo4U)

268 EVs usually do have a much lower total cost of ownership, up until a major repair. The major repair is many years away on a new car.

Some stuff is the same. Brakes are wear items regardless, though regen systems often mean brakes last longer on an EV. Tires are still a wear item, and you'll need to replace them at rate of about 3:2 as compared to normal car (2:1 if you have wrong tires or abuse them). Windshield wipers, etc. are like-for-like. In most energy markets, fueling them is a bit cheaper to significantly cheaper.

Then there is other maintenance. No oil changes. No transmission flushes. Coolant service is usually a much longer interval. No timing belts. Usually no water pumps, either, since EV water pumps are usually inline and purely mechanical. No fuel system. No exhaust or catalytic converter.

Over the first 100k-150k miles, the EV is going to have very low maintenance costs, and that will largely continue until the the battery rips your face off. It will more than consume the savings on routine service on an IC vehicle, and usually results in the car just being scrapped. If you lease or sell along every 5 years, that doesn't matter.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 12:03 PM (HnUIn)

269 The market for simple standard-cab, long-bed pickup trucks with basic transmissions (auto or manual) and air conditioning but little else is pretty small.

-

I don't think it is. Not really. I think the manufacturers know that the public has been conditioned to accept the "what can you afford monthly" approach and are taking full advantage of that, which is why $60K decently appointed trucks are the norm now.

$20-$25K stripper full size trucks would sell like hotcakes, but people would pay cash.

Posted by: Moron Robbie

Add in the CAFE standards. Automakers have to sell a certain percentage of crappy EV or econoboxes, so they have to get the margin from a smaller number of loaded practical vehicles, which are all trucks now, after they killed the station wagon.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 03, 2024 12:04 PM (lTGtQ)

270 I imagine Ace will cover this, but dayum.

Stormy Daniels’ Lawyer Just Destroyed Bragg’s Case Against Trump

https://tinyurl.com/yjevk9fa
Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:45 AM (CsUN+)

If even a single member of the jury were unbiased this would matter.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 03, 2024 12:04 PM (U7wke)

271 Apparently it's not one of my better comments.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 11:59 AM (CsUN+)
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Nah, I'm just thick.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 12:05 PM (HnUIn)

272 184 All this news make me laugh my ass off.

this is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: brie larsen at May 03, 2024 12:05 PM (v3pYe)

273 This, too, was the story of the AMC Pacer. Except that the Pacer actually managed to make some money for AMC.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:06 AM (HnUIn)

And they actually worked as an automobile.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 03, 2024 12:05 PM (8zz6B)

274 That was fun.
Posted by: rickb223

Yeah, burning brush piles is a lot of fun.

My brother used to make a brushpile in the field next to his house. Every year, he would host a party to watch the Michigan-Notre Dame game. Afterwards, we'd make a bonfire out of the brush pile and stand around chatting and (continue) drinking, until the fire was done. Good times.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 03, 2024 12:05 PM (9yWhg)

275 LOL. Actually, I never drive. I just teletransport.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM (XkYcA)
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Beam me up!

Posted by: Zombie Jim Trafficant at May 03, 2024 12:05 PM (HnUIn)

276 >>>I miss simple, cheap trucks and especially simple, cheap little trucks. The Chevy S-10 was damn near perfect in terms of what I, personally, actually want. The market and the government both eliminated them.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
---------------------------------------------

Modern trucks, thank you CAFE, have replaced Buick, Mercury, and Chrysler family sedans. Until this administration one could purchase a modestly equipped p/u at a reasonable price. The Tacoma was a good buy and I read good things about Chevy's Colorado (?). The Ford Ranger now comes with a V6 but (Joey)

Posted by: Braenyard at May 03, 2024 12:05 PM (lCWOD)

277 hahahaha

There's a dot GOV website to fact check the myth that no one is buying EVs:

"Correcting The Record About Electric Vehicle Sales"

"Myth #1: EV sales are experiencing a decline in absolute numbers....

Myth #4: EVs are not affordable enough to compete with traditional combustion vehicles...."

https://tinyurl.com/296a7fxp

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 12:06 PM (IF3vp)

278 Off dead congressman sock

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 12:06 PM (HnUIn)

279 268 Then there is other maintenance. No oil changes. No transmission flushes. Coolant service is usually a much longer interval.

it's funny because the one time my prius left me on the side of the road was because the battery cooling system died.

Posted by: anachronda at May 03, 2024 12:06 PM (v3pYe)

280 Black Country Communion just dropped a new single.

Enlighten

https://youtu.be/19gUVBa5X28

Posted by: Robert at May 03, 2024 12:07 PM (1Yy3c)

281 And they actually worked as an automobile.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

But gads, were they ugly.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 03, 2024 12:07 PM (9yWhg)

282 Remember how much the Left sexually loved natural gas and clean coal up to about 9 months ago?
Posted by: ...
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I'm old enough to remember when they loved plastic bags.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 03, 2024 12:07 PM (XeU6L)

283
I miss simple, cheap trucks and especially simple, cheap little trucks. The Chevy S-10 was damn near perfect in terms of what I, personally, actually want. The market and the government both eliminated them.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:52 AM

I loved my S-10, my daughter loved my S-10, my son loved my S-10, my wife loved driving my S-10 whenever the weather was chancy or snow was on the ground and she could put it in 4 wheel drive.

I hated to part with the thing.

Ford has a hybrid that's kinda close to it, but Ford.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 03, 2024 12:07 PM (RKVpM)

284 Add in the CAFE standards. Automakers have to sell a certain percentage of crappy EV or econoboxes, so they have to get the margin from a smaller number of loaded practical vehicles, which are all trucks now, after they killed the station wagon.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

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Good point. I remember 20 or so years ago reading that GM made $20K+ on every Suburban and Escalade. I assume they figured out a way to spread that across all of the SUVs and trucks.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 12:07 PM (IF3vp)

285 So glad when I die I don't go to climate heaven. I here it is hot hot hot 🔥 🥵

Posted by: Plainoldtoast at May 03, 2024 12:08 PM (ytSiK)

286 Nah, I'm just thick.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

At least you're not obtuse, like Doof.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 03, 2024 12:08 PM (9yWhg)

287 the public has been conditioned to accept the "what can you afford monthly" approach

Posted by: Moron Robbie

Yep...it's no longer "can I afford it?"...it's "can I make the payments?"

Posted by: BignJames at May 03, 2024 12:08 PM (AwYPR)

288 There are a few small "trucks" out recently. The Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz come to mind. But they're almost "utes", not really pickup trucks.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2024 12:08 PM (VoAdT)

289 250 Does anyone know why Tesla is abandoning their superchargers? They were supposed to be industry leaders?
Posted by: Archimedes
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My thought is it's just not making money for Tesla. All the EV companies just assumed Musk would continue doing the heavy lifting (e.g. spend money). With Tesla sales slowing and needing to slash spending, Musk said "screw that'.

Posted by: WisRich at May 03, 2024 12:09 PM (G0vdT)

290 CAFE killed the station wagon. There is a corelation between the demise of the station wagon and the rise of the Suburban.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 03, 2024 12:09 PM (lCWOD)

291 Joe Xiden
Posted by: Electric Vehicle Guy

That has been my guess for quite a while.
He can't help but defend EVs.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 03, 2024 12:09 PM (w1jP6)

292 Fen is green? Who knew. Well' I always have envied her...
Posted by: Minnfidel at May 03, 2024 12:01 PM (Ag7IE)

It's not easy being green.

Posted by: Kermit the Frog at May 03, 2024 12:09 PM (PiwSw)

293 Hiya

Posted by: JT at May 03, 2024 12:09 PM (T4tVD)

294
Greta believes that she is on the "permitted to live" list. Oh, how I wish I could be there when she discovers she's been lied to.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

Why keep Greta when there are plenty of scowling troll dolls around already and -- bonus! -- they keep their mouths shut?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (xG4kz)

295 I loved my S-10, my daughter loved my S-10, my son loved my S-10, my wife loved driving my S-10 whenever the weather was chancy or snow was on the ground and she could put it in 4 wheel drive. ...
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 03, 2024 12:07 PM (RKVpM)
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My eyebrow went up until I got to the very end. My dad's S-10 was rear-drive only and geared super-low for towing (unless I was on a steep hill, I didn't even use first gear). The 4.3L pre-Vortec V-6 was incredibly torquey. On anything but dry pavement, driving that truck was, shall we say, "exciting."

A hell of a hauler, though.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (HnUIn)

296 Does anyone know what sitting right on top of that massive electromagnetic field does to a person driving an EV? It can't be good. Probably like getting an MRI 2 times/ day, 5 days a week if you are a commuter.

Posted by: E.T. at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (7CC/F)

297 I need more coffee.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (lCWOD)

298 I'm fixing up my old S-10 blazer just for shits and grins. I loved that thing. Been off the road for almost 20 years now, just sitting around waiting to get fixed up.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (VoAdT)

299 Joe Xiden
Posted by: Electric Vehicle Guy

That has been my guess for quite a while.
He can't help but defend EVs.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 03, 2024 12:09 PM (w1jP6)
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It's like an involuntary tic...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (7fElN)

300 262 I already won't be able to afford to replace my current car when it dies. Even cars with over 100,000 miles on them go for like $16,000 now.

in a few years, you'll be able to 3d print a 2cv in your garage and the government will be keen to go after "ghost cars".

Posted by: anachronda at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (v3pYe)

301 You mean St. Greta is a spoiled brat who will never ever ever ever ever ever ever be happy?

Too bad her daddy didn’t take her and beat the shit out of her at appropriate times at a young age. All the blame falls on her parents.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (Ds3Rc)

302 I miss simple, cheap trucks and especially simple, cheap little trucks. The Chevy S-10 was damn near perfect in terms of what I, personally, actually want. The market and the government both eliminated them.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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I sorely miss my extended cab '95 S-10. Would still have it but for a traffic mishap. Now in a '12 Frontier. It's okay, but not so nimble as the S-10.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (XeU6L)

303 It's like an involuntary tic...

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Sincere religious beliefs always work that way.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 12:11 PM (IF3vp)

304 See? People WANT MORE EVs!!!

Posted by: U.S. Auto Industry at May 03, 2024 12:11 PM (Ds3Rc)

305 Psssstttt!

Hey Greta, they are denying climate change in Rafah. Better go straighten them out!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 03, 2024 12:12 PM (W/lyH)

306 In fear of another "occupation," I suppose, my employer has placed gates across the exit points to the street from our buildings. No word yet if it is supposed to be temporary, or will remain until the end of the work day or even beyond. To leave, it appears now, I would have to walk close to a mile up and around a large block, and in the rain, to get to my car -- which is only a few yards from my office.

I've written an email to the president himself. I don't care if he likes it. This is as bad in its way as the Sniffle Scare and Face Diaper Hoax were.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 03, 2024 11:16 AM (J2vNu)

Sounds like the city Fire Marshal ought to be notified. They usually take a very dim view of blocking exits.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 03, 2024 12:12 PM (8zz6B)

307 Over the first 100k-150k miles, the EV is going to have very low maintenance costs, and that will largely continue until the the battery rips your face off. It will more than consume the savings on routine service on an IC vehicle, and usually results in the car just being scrapped. If you lease or sell along every 5 years, that doesn't matter.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 12:03 PM (HnUIn)
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You have to figure in insurance costs, though. In many -- most -- areas, the insurance costs are 25% higher (or more) for EVs. And, of course, you have to figure in the much-higher upfront costs to buy/lease it.

So yea, if you pay 25% more for the EV, pay 25% more to insure it, and face a battery bomb at the end, then you'll be "rewarded" with lower maintenance costs.

I have no doubt the comparable ICE car will overall be cheaper to own/run/maintain.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 03, 2024 12:12 PM (iFTx/)

308
What's tire replacement frequency?

Posted by: rickb223

A Tesla can get 15,000 miles from a set of tires, or about once per year.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 03, 2024 12:12 PM (lTGtQ)

309 ---
It's like an involuntary tic...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
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Cognitive dissonance.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 03, 2024 12:12 PM (XeU6L)

310 Does anyone know what sitting right on top of that massive electromagnetic field does to a person driving an EV? It can't be good. Probably like getting an MRI 2 times/ day, 5 days a week if you are a commuter.
Posted by: E.T. at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (7CC/F)

Radioactive turds.

Posted by: JT at May 03, 2024 12:12 PM (T4tVD)

311 All the blame falls on her parents.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

Looks like her mom gave her fetal alcohol syndrome.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 03, 2024 12:13 PM (9yWhg)

312
I already won't be able to afford to replace my current car when it dies. Even cars with over 100,000 miles on them go for like $16,000 now.
Posted by: XTC

You're right.
2012 Tundra with 131,000 was 16k a couple of month ago.
It is the 'work truck' package so it doesn't have all the electric *stuff* which is a win as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 03, 2024 12:13 PM (w1jP6)

313 Radioactive turds.
Posted by: JT at May 03, 2024 12:12 PM (T4tVD)

Just because they bought a silly bougie boutique joke of a car doesn't mean you need to call them names.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2024 12:13 PM (VoAdT)

314 290 CAFE killed the station wagon. There is a corelation between the demise of the station wagon and the rise of the Suburban.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 03, 2024 12:09 PM (lCWOD)

Imagine how much better off Detroit would be if DC got out of the auto industry. Sure, it wouldn’t be perfect (unions) but it would be way better off.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 03, 2024 12:13 PM (Ds3Rc)

315 >>> 301 You mean St. Greta is a spoiled brat who will never ever ever ever ever ever ever be happy?

Too bad her daddy didn’t take her and beat the shit out of her at appropriate times at a young age. All the blame falls on her parents.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (Ds3Rc)

Not likely. If that family had been American, they might have pimped her out to Hollywood.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 03, 2024 12:13 PM (llON8)

316 Looks like her mom gave her fetal alcohol syndrome.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 03, 2024 12:13 PM (9yWhg)

At age 7.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 03, 2024 12:14 PM (VoAdT)

317 310 Does anyone know what sitting right on top of that massive electromagnetic field does to a person driving an EV? It can't be good. Probably like getting an MRI 2 times/ day, 5 days a week if you are a commuter.
Posted by: E.T. at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (7CC/F)

Radioactive turds.

...would be a good name for a punk band.

Posted by: anachronda at May 03, 2024 12:14 PM (v3pYe)

318
Nood -- unexpectedly!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 03, 2024 12:14 PM (xG4kz)

319 You mean St. Greta is a spoiled brat who will never ever ever ever ever ever ever be happy?

Too bad her daddy didn’t take her and beat the shit out of her at appropriate times at a young age. All the blame falls on her parents.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (Ds3Rc)
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I think the odds are significant that her daddy sexual abused her. He's a slimy scumbag commie that always gave me the creeps.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 03, 2024 12:15 PM (iFTx/)

320 IL hadn't even thought about EM fields in EVs.

Complex Electromagnetic Issues Associated with the Use of Electric Vehicles in Urban Transportation

The electromagnetic field (EMF) in electric vehicles (EVs) affects not only drivers, but also passengers (using EVs daily) and electronic devices inside. This article summarizes the measurement methods applicable in studies of complex EMF in EVs focused on the evaluation of characteristics of such exposure to EVs users and drivers, together with the results of investigations into the static magnetic field (SMF), the extremely low-frequency magnetic field (ELF) and radiofrequency (RF) EMF related to the use of the EVs in urban transportation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8914635/

Posted by: Archimedes at May 03, 2024 12:15 PM (CsUN+)

321 CAFE killed the station wagon. There is a corelation between the demise of the station wagon and the rise of the Suburban.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 03, 2024 12:09 PM (lCWOD)
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Chrysler killed the station wagon. The minivan was a game-changer.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 12:15 PM (HnUIn)

322 CAFE killed the station wagon. There is a corelation between the demise of the station wagon and the rise of the Suburban.
Posted by: Braenyard

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Yep. That's one of my favorite government success stories.

They are directly and solely responsible for the rise in SUV purchases and use. It gets better, though. Obama's CAFE standards where he changed it to the footprint approach?

"We didn't expect that SUVs would be so prevalent," said Margo Oge, former head of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's office of transportation air quality."

https://tinyurl.com/24chluqq

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 12:17 PM (IF3vp)

323 I am especially interested in the BLUE OVAL CITY (sounds so nice, doesn't it?) in Tennessee. Many churches, including mine, have plans to visit, feed, witness to, have VBS with the children of the workers that have BEEN BROUGHT INTO THE STATE of Tennessee from other States. I have been following your posts and will look forward to updates. I think the plant is another boondoggle by our Governor. But this is still an opportunity to share God's Word with the lost. Too bad Tennessee residents didn't get the majority of the jobs. I haven't seen any numbers on that.

Posted by: Debbie at May 03, 2024 12:18 PM (vPplw)

324 V6 in a little S-10 sound zippy.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 03, 2024 12:18 PM (lCWOD)

325 Does anyone know what sitting right on top of that massive electromagnetic field does to a person driving an EV? It can't be good. Probably like getting an MRI 2 times/ day, 5 days a week if you are a commuter.
Posted by: E.T. at May 03, 2024 12:10 PM (7CC/F)

Radioactive turds.

...would be a good name for a punk band.
Posted by: anachronda

You become the Hulk?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 03, 2024 12:18 PM (L/fGl)

326 I wouldn’t weep for VW. The Germans WANT the plant to be unionized. The Germans have always preferred dealing with unions as they are used to doing so.

Unions are only good for pricing the labor they “represent” out of the labor market but many are determined to learn the hard way.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 03, 2024 12:19 PM (Ds3Rc)

327 Chrysler killed the station wagon. The minivan was a game-changer.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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It occurred years later, possibly in response. But the minivan didn't hold the knife. The government did.

Station wagons were cars and measured under car CAFE standards. SUVs were not. Manufacturers responded accordingly and just raised their station wagons up higher.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Little girls dreamt of being moms until you told them not to follow their dreams at May 03, 2024 12:20 PM (IF3vp)

328 ++++
Chrysler killed the station wagon. The minivan was a game-changer.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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Maybe they both had a hand in it. Minivan's were not that popular around here but there were a plethora of Suburbans. Overnight it seemed.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 03, 2024 12:22 PM (lCWOD)

329 323: you know if more people move to TN and become TN residents they pay TN taxes, right? Or is this not allowed?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 03, 2024 12:24 PM (Ds3Rc)

330 Do EVs have trunk space to accommodate my trunk monkey?

Posted by: Sock Monkey * rodeo qualified at May 03, 2024 12:25 PM (3OJZ3)

331 This busty bikini brunette isn't choosy and is just happy to have a car at all in this economy:
http://tiny.cc/j7bxxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 03, 2024 11:47 AM (HnUIn)

She'd look good in a Studebaker.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 03, 2024 12:28 PM (8zz6B)

332 But just as with trucks, the government piled on more and more safety and other requirements, which made these cheapies harder and harder to keep cheap. Plus, consumers turned away from these models to more luxurious models packed with options. RIP.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 03, 2024 11:58 AM

One of my projects at my old job was to incorporate a small system that included an added component, added bracket for that component to secure to the powertrain and required hoses for that component functionality.

This system did not add anything to the functionality or performance of the vehicle. It was solely because it was a required system to meet some EPA "climate change" emission regulation.

So added cost, added weight to vehicle and added cost to customer for no added value or performance of the vehicle. Auto industry is not designing vehicles according to best engineering practices. We're designing according to the "climate change" religion of corrupt lawyers and politicians in Deep State and WEF.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 03, 2024 12:40 PM (P5BPp)

333 Someone should strand these Eco-Freaks way out in the Wilderness away from their Artificial Nature lessons and Climate Change Poppycock espeicaly the idiot with the Forests are Not Renewible since trees can be planted and five Trees are replanted for everyone chopped down to make the paper they print their signs with stupid slogans

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at May 03, 2024 05:29 PM (wGqjj)

334 More joy in Georgia.

https://tinyurl.com/yrhc4k2v

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