Wednesday Morning Rant

Motivations

With the ongoing disaster at the southern border and US immigration policy more generally, one question comes up more than any other: why? Why does the government want this state of affairs with all of its tremendously destructive downsides? "Why" is a big question. Like all big questions, it will generate tremendous numbers of answers from all corners of all sides.

But there is no one "why." There are many "whys" and while most or all of them align to the same final answer of "MOAR INFLUX," the "whys" themselves differ wildly. Some of the motivations are independent of or contradictory to each-other, but here are what I think are some of the major motivations underlying the constant drive toward an ever more open border.

The most straightforward motivation is simple hatred. Hatred for America specifically and the West generally is strong among the elite and especially the academic elite. They are indifferent to outcomes because the elite that makes these policies don't face the consequences of the policies and despise those who do bear the consequences. There are also the dupes who think this is the "right thing" to do, but they're blind slaves of the hatred crew. For the haters, all the rapes, murders, drugs, and cultural erosion that come from an open border are not costs to be managed but benefits to be pursued. Gotta defeat that White Supremacy and Christofascism somehow! Hatred is a powerful motivator, and there are many in government who have pathological hatred for this country and her people.

Another major motivation is mercenary. These guys are the Chamber of Commerce types who see nothing but upside through the importation of a low-skill (or low-price, depending on mechanism) labor pool. The most recent headline example of this is Tyson Foods planning to hire tens of thousands of new "migrants" for the more miserable jobs in their processing plants. The CoC types in the government are happy to enable this, and to make sure businesses face no consequences for hiring illegals. This is the point of the "asylum" dodge: to provide pseudo-legal cover for hiring illegals. The H-1B disaster is the higher-skilled side of the same coin. Bring in cheaper people with few options and displace citizens for fun and profit. Downsides? What downsides? Their expenses went down and their dividend yield went up. No downsides here!

There's also the game of simple electoral power. Whether the illegals get to vote or not - and the power players in government are doing everything they can to encourage non-citizen voting - they still get counted in the census and apportionment takes them into account. Masses are power, even if they don't or can't vote. Making sure that Colorado gains representatives and that Mississippi does not is a win/win for the Party. This probably motivates some of the open-borders crowd, but I'd bet that this is a secondary motivation.

Another is based on a serious and long-term problem that is only meaningful to the handful of people - likely very powerful people, but not many of them - who know math. The motivation is a simple number: 1.78. That is the US fertility rate this year, and it's likely to go down rapidly over the next decade as the Zoomers and Alphas inherit their cultural ashes. Fertility rate can be hard to visualize, so how big a deal is 1.78? Out of 100 people, they will have about 89 children, 80 grandchildren and just 71 great-grandchildren (with rounding) - and that assumes that 1.78 doesn't get any worse. The smart people in policy positions who know math see doom in this. Masses are power, but inter-generational masses keep the wheels of state and economy turning. Some see importation to overcome the deficit as the most effective approach to solving this gigantic problem.

Nobody knows a sure way to improve the fertility rate and experiments in culture, law, housing, education, economy, etc. are all too expensive or politically untenable. It would also take decades to play out, and that's too long. Yet they have to do something, because nobody knows how to manage a declining population and they can't wait around to see if whatever Japan - a country that is notably not pursuing importation - does is going to work. Just import more people, shore up the numbers and damn the consequences. Even if the new people are chronically unproductive, even if the whole entitlements system crashes, they'll have the numbers. We'll all be much poorer and weaker, but they will have their masses to keep things humming along. That's the gamble, and they're happily making it.

These are just some of the manifold motivations and some of them contradict each other. The electoral masses types and math-aware demographic types want to retain power, while the academic hatred types want to see it destroyed and the CoC-type mercenaries don't care either way so long as the ROI is good. All of the various motivations, however, lead their adherents to the same answer: keep the border open.

Posted by: Joe Mannix at 11:00 AM

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1 1st?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 20, 2024 11:00 AM (9yWhg)

2 Sponge!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2024 11:00 AM (IB/6k)

3 1st?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 20, 2024 11:00 AM (9yWhg)
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Nailed it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:00 AM (HnUIn)

4 Yessss! I'll cull the otters.

And, hey, Mannix chimp!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 20, 2024 11:01 AM (9yWhg)

5 last

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 20, 2024 11:01 AM (GBKbO)

6 It's a bloodbath down there.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 20, 2024 11:01 AM (aD39U)

7 Yessss! I'll cull the otters. ...
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 20, 2024 11:01 AM (9yWhg)
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Don't tell the nurse. She really doesn't want otters to be culled...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:02 AM (HnUIn)

8 The most straightforward motivation is simple hatred. Hatred for America specifically and the West generally is strong among the elite and especially the academic elite. They are indifferent to outcomes because the elite that makes these policies don't face the consequences of the policies and despise those who do bear the consequences.

Whe DC resembles the Black Hole of Calcutta, even the "elites" will feel the pain.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2024 11:02 AM (IB/6k)

9 Commenting present

Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2024 11:02 AM (ny2g2)

10 Whe DC resembles the Black Hole of Calcutta, even the "elites" will feel the pain.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2024 11:02 AM (IB/6k)
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Nah.

They all live above the Fifth Floor.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:02 AM (HnUIn)

11 Those low wage, icky jobs should be filled by folks serving time in prison. Mandatory work.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 20, 2024 11:02 AM (Q5Edw)

12 Top 15?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 20, 2024 11:02 AM (J2vNu)

13 You win the future by showing up.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 20, 2024 11:03 AM (aD39U)

14 Sea otters were culled to near extinction in the 1800-1900s.

I hate people.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 20, 2024 11:03 AM (Q5Edw)

15 Willowed: How much does it cost to get into the cathouse vestibule?
Posted by: Low hanging curve at March 20, 2024

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The old standby still applies: If you have to ask, you can't afford it!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 20, 2024 11:04 AM (J2vNu)

16 It has never made sense to protect abortion rights while claiming to be upset about low birth rights. They show the attempt to square the circle.
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Posted by: Chillin the most at March 20, 2024 11:04 AM (0uQp2)

17 Willowed: How much does it cost to get into the cathouse vestibule?
Posted by: Low hanging curve at March 20, 2024

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The old standby still applies: If you have to ask, you can't afford it!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 20, 2024 11:04 AM (J2vNu)

Ahem.

Posted by: $20, same as in town at March 20, 2024 11:04 AM (aD39U)

18 Anybody watching the House hearing on the Biden Crime Family?

There is no way for the left to spin this crap.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2024 11:04 AM (LkLld)

19 Oh boy. Third-world illegals working in food processing.

"Let's get ready to partaaaay!"
-- E. Coli, Salmonella, Listeria, etc.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 20, 2024 11:05 AM (9yWhg)

20 1. More democrat voters..
2. Civilian Defense Force (ubama personal army).
3. Get’s rid of y pipu.

Posted by: Eromero at March 20, 2024 11:05 AM (NxC5+)

21 There is no way for the left to spin this crap.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2024 11:04 AM (LkLld)

They will throw lies around like an octopus squirting ink.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 20, 2024 11:06 AM (aD39U)

22 Anybody watching the House hearing on the Biden Crime Family?

Nope, because there will be nothing said that I already didn't know or at least suspect.

There is no way for the left to spin this crap.

See answer above. They will just ignore it.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 20, 2024 11:07 AM (sNc8Y)

23 There is no way for the left to spin this crap.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2024 11:04 AM (LkLld)
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Spin what now? What are you talking about?

Posted by: Editors-in-Chief at March 20, 2024 11:07 AM (HnUIn)

24 Sea otters were culled to near extinction in the 1800-1900s.

I hate people.
Posted by: nurse ratched

Blame the Chinese. Sea-otter fur was about the only thing from outside their empire that the Chinese court really coveted, therefore it became the big trade item used by the West.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 20, 2024 11:08 AM (9yWhg)

25 Benny Johnson @bennyjohnson 11h
🚨 BREAKING: Mexico’s government says they will not “under any circumstances” accept the return of any illegal migrants to its territory from the state of Texas
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Mexico doesn't have to accept them as legal immigrants but I guess they can go back to Central America the same way they came then, walking.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 20, 2024 11:08 AM (2yu8s)

26 But Trump received market rates on hotel rooms rented to Russians. It's the same thing.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 20, 2024 11:08 AM (aD39U)

27 Other reasons the left wants invaders:

As bunch of lefties are employed gin the government giving welfare and related services to illegals.

A number of NGOs, which exist to enrich the senior members of the NGOs, launder government money to the illegals.

The crimes the invaders commit increase requests for more government to deal with crime

Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 11:08 AM (ibTVg)

28
Another is based on a serious and long-term problem that is only meaningful to the handful of people - likely very powerful people, but not many of them - who know math. The motivation is a simple number: 1.78. That is the US fertility rate this year, and it's likely to go down rapidly over the next decade as the Zoomers and Alphas inherit their cultural ashes.

Social Security only *works* at 2.1 workers per recipient. Which is why I suggest if no children, no SS. You get to pay though, because you're saving half a million dollars per child you don't raise. Put that money in an annuity and shut up.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 11:08 AM (RKVpM)

29 Joe Biden told a joke at the Gridiron Club a couple of days ago. It went like this:

Our big plan to cancel student debt doesn't apply to everyone. Just yesterday, a defeated-looking man came up to me and said, "I'm being crushed by debt. I'm completely wiped out." I said, "Sorry, Donald, I can't help you." (Laughter and applause)

The White House is coordinating all the lawfare against Trump, of course, including the absurd New York "fraud" case.

If we win, I have a small request.

I want to see the Biden family utterly ruined financially - their houses lost, their fancy cars repossessed, their bank accounts drained, while having them still facing enormous legal bills from a multitude of legal proceedings against them.

It is good game theory ("tit for tat"), and would show that if you try to turn the United States into Venezuela, there are personal consequences for that.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:09 AM (YAtuc)

30 There is no way for the left to spin this crap.

See answer above. They will just ignore it.
Posted by: Oddbob at March 20, 2024 11:07 AM (sNc8Y)

Yes - it's like we all thought that Abbott stopping them from running immigrants through Eagle Pass was going to be a Big Deal; instead, the Biden Admin just ignored it and said "eh, we'll just run them through California instead." And the media of course put a blackout on all news of it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 20, 2024 11:09 AM (i9ffA)

31 They all live above the Fifth Floor.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:02 AM (HnUIn)

That's arguably a problem when Antifa or the local yutes show up with Molotovs at the ground floor.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:10 AM (2ocoG)

32 14 Sea otters were culled to near extinction in the 1800-1900s.

I hate people.
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They made great luggage.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 20, 2024 11:10 AM (m5P/4)

33 15 million illegals means 12-13 million votes for Dems. That’s why.

Posted by: Montec at March 20, 2024 11:10 AM (4+s9S)

34 Sea otters were culled to near extinction in the 1800-1900s.

I hate people.

Having to always look behind you when you went for a naked swim was a real bummer you know

Posted by: Nudist swimmers in the 1800-1900s at March 20, 2024 11:11 AM (ibTVg)

35 Yes - it's like we all thought that Abbott stopping them from running immigrants through Eagle Pass was going to be a Big Deal; instead, the Biden Admin just ignored it and said "eh, we'll just run them through California instead." And the media of course put a blackout on all news of it.

To be fair, that's had the benefit that a lot of the illegals are just taking boats up to Malibu and other swanky Democrat-voting areas.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:11 AM (2ocoG)

36 Georgia judge allows Trump to Appeal Willis decision.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 20, 2024 11:11 AM (NpAcC)

37 The cheap labor argument is kinda moot. Illegals aren’t working for $4 an hour. They’re working for $30 an hour these days,

Posted by: Montec at March 20, 2024 11:12 AM (4+s9S)

38 Outstanding analysis, Joe. Thanks.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at March 20, 2024 11:12 AM (+JWyd)

39 Social Security only *works* at 2.1 workers per recipient.

Be careful - the Left is arguing that allowing in millions of "migrants" with elementary school educations will "save" Social Security.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:12 AM (YAtuc)

40 Sea otters were culled to near extinction in the 1800-1900s.

All of the North American wild parrots were too, to make decorations for ladies' hats.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:12 AM (2ocoG)

41 A lot of them seem to just get off on being re-elected while actually doing the opposite of what they run on.

Posted by: DaveA at March 20, 2024 11:12 AM (FhXTo)

42 The cheap labor argument is kinda moot. Illegals aren’t working for $4 an hour. They’re working for $30 an hour these days,

Depends on the segment. In my area every AWFL has a latin American nanny/maid that they pay below minimum wage.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 11:13 AM (ibTVg)

43 So the the 5th circuit put a stop to the decision the SCOTUS just handed down? How is that possible?

Posted by: polynikes at March 20, 2024 11:13 AM (GzpNE)

44 Tyson Foods planning to hire tens of thousands of new "migrants" for the more miserable jobs in their processing plants.
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AND NOW A TRANS KID IS DEAD.

Posted by: ... at March 20, 2024 11:13 AM (NrWsf)

45 >>>Sea otters were culled to near extinction in the 1800-1900s.

Having to always look behind you when you went for a naked swim was a real bummer you know

I thought river otters were the rapey ones and in the sea it's just dolphins going for your butthole.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:13 AM (2ocoG)

46 Cost of having & raising children skyrockets -> fewer people having children.

It is a mystery.

Posted by: Gaff at March 20, 2024 11:13 AM (jPS2y)

47 >>Yes - it's like we all thought that Abbott stopping them from running immigrants through Eagle Pass was going to be a Big Deal; instead, the Biden Admin just ignored it and said "eh, we'll just run them through California instead." And the media of course put a blackout on all news of it.

And then the Supreme Court gave Texas the authority to arrest illegals.

The media doesn't control everything. Less and less as they continue to beclown themselves daily. This will leave a mark.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2024 11:14 AM (LkLld)

48 15 million illegals means 12-13 million votes for Dems. That’s why.

It's as simple as that.

Posted by: Polar bears at March 20, 2024 11:14 AM (CsUN+)

49 Should I not mention my stylish, warm sea otter hat and gloves?

Posted by: Fashion Plate at March 20, 2024 11:14 AM (V5BDR)

50 Depends on the segment. In my area every AWFL has a latin American nanny/maid that they pay below minimum wage.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 11:13 AM (ibTVg)
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Resorts and hotels are going whole-hog on illegals, too. They might not make below minimum wage, but they make way below otherwise-prevailing.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:14 AM (HnUIn)

51 ‘ Hatred for America specifically and the West generally’

It’s a good thing for the elites that they don’t have to experience the product of my hate for them. It’s comprehensive and final.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 20, 2024 11:14 AM (jbnUc)

52 Since when does the US need permission from Mexico for anything?

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 20, 2024 11:14 AM (vyGik)

53 Cost of having & raising children skyrockets -> fewer people having children.

It is a mystery.
Posted by: Gaff at March 20, 2024 11:13 AM (jPS2y)
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That's a part of it, yeah. That's not all of it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:15 AM (HnUIn)

54
Depends on the segment. In my area every AWFL has a latin American nanny/maid that they pay below minimum wage.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 11:13 AM (ibTVg)

Minimum wage must be $20 where you live then? Because the going rate for a nanny is about that in my burg. Want a couple of guys to do manual labor for a day from the Home Depot parking lot? $25-40 an hour is the going rate depending on the season.

Posted by: Montec at March 20, 2024 11:15 AM (4+s9S)

55
Social Security only *works* at 2.1 workers per recipient.
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Be careful - the Left is arguing that allowing in millions of "migrants" with elementary school educations will "save" Social Security.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:12 AM

I know. But only if they actually work, which is why welfare for them has to end.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 11:15 AM (RKVpM)

56 52 Since when does the US need permission from Mexico for anything?
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You meant to say the Cartels, rite?

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 20, 2024 11:15 AM (m5P/4)

57 Unrestricted immigration of low-skilled bottom-feeders from 3rd and 4th world countries is the perfect storm of all perfect storms and is like crack cocaine to every interest group that means a shit:

1. Business gets millions of laborers who come dirt cheap and are more pliable than American workers. They will do as they're told, work long hours, and accept shitty pay and working conditions.

2. Democraps get millions of new Democrap voters as well as billions in funds for programs for these parasites, which means nice fat graft and corruption opportunities for Dems and their constituents.

3. Affluent liberals get cheap nannies, landscapers, pool boys, and sex workers.

See? Win-win-win. Taxpayers and actual citizens get raped in the ass (sometimes literally), but they don't matter.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 20, 2024 11:15 AM (iFTx/)

58 Another is based on a serious and long-term problem that is only meaningful to the handful of people - likely very powerful people, but not many of them - who know math. The motivation is a simple number: 1.78. That is the US fertility rate this year, and it's likely to go down rapidly over the next decade as the Zoomers and Alphas inherit their cultural ashes."

when you look at current demographics, you conclude that in 50 years the US will be primarily populated by very conservative Christians, and Mexicans. Which is going to make quite a culture.

Also in the more downscale neighborhoods I'm aware of, there is heavy intermarriage between blacks of both genders and Hispanic immigrants. I believe what we would think of as "pure black" is gradually dying out, and being replaced by a hispanic variant.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 20, 2024 11:16 AM (i9ffA)

59 Imagine the fertility rate if women were women and men were men.

Imagine high school with true home economics classes and classes teaching girls how to be feminine and pretty. Classes for boys on how to be tough, strong, wise and how to handle a gun or work with your hands.

Sex Ed classes teaching girls how to sexually please a man and teaching boys how to sexually please a woman.

A world that frowned upon homosexuality and sexual “diversity”.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 20, 2024 11:16 AM (++4z6)

60 Elon Musk @elonmusk 23h
This is actually happening!

https://tinyurl.com/thsvxkb2
1:39 video on illegals' flood to establish single-party rule

DC_Draino @DC_Draino 14h
Remember, the media and their puppet string pullers want you to think that replacing Americans with illegal aliens is a “conspiracy theory”

It’s not

Joe Biden is flooding the US with 10+ million illegals b/c they know Americans are revolting against their tyranny

Once Trump is in power, their game is truly over

Mass deportations

FBI reform

Border wall completed

Americans are waking up just in the nick of time to save their country

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 20, 2024 11:16 AM (2yu8s)

61 So the the 5th circuit put a stop to the decision the SCOTUS just handed down? How is that possible?
Posted by: polynikes at March 20, 2024 11:13 AM (GzpNE)

Originally the 5th Circuit paused the administrative stay issued by the District Court. Biden appealed and the USSC said that they weren't going to second guess the 5th Circuit and rejected the Biden appeal.

The 5th Circuit then reversed themselves and issued an administrative stay. Now Texas can appeal, but the USSC is going to give them the same answer that they gave Biden.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 20, 2024 11:16 AM (aD39U)

62 Oh and another point, just bringing in more low skill potential workers lowers wages - simple supply and demand.

If there are say 1K potential workers in an area and 1K jobs the salaries will be much higher then 10K potential workers and still only 1K jobs.

It isn't a static situation true, but an aggregate it is pretty obvious increasing the supply of labor will reduce its cost.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 11:17 AM (ibTVg)

63 2.1 children is the break-even point for a population. Currently South Korea is at .7, and they don't cotton to ferriners much.

Posted by: Fade Out at March 20, 2024 11:17 AM (V5BDR)

64 Yes, some of the 'whys' contradict each other. But in my opinion, these motivations listed are all the motivations of the lieutenants and foot soldiers (useful idiots and the ones who think they're in the 'power circle' or can be) of this Leftist / Marxist movement that wants America as we know it destroyed. The overall 'why' is the evil billionaire WEF masters want rule over all of us because they believe only they can save the world from overpopulation and/or the idiocy of those lesser than them, and the 'freedom and liberty for all' premise of our laws and Constitution along with the recent historical power of our nation and people is the biggest obstacle to that goal (not to mention the 'free market' premise that risks their losing their fortunes, or being overcome by others they might not be able to control). So any means to break that down is a good thing, even if some of those means contradict each other. So isn't this the 'why' that correlates to all these other 'whys', including the ones that contradict each other? Isn't this evil billionaire WEF class the root of the poisonous anti-American tree?

Posted by: bearski at March 20, 2024 11:17 AM (Bhsk7)

65 14
‘ Sea otters were culled to near extinction in the 1800-1900s.’

They tasted like chicken.

Posted by: 19th Century otter hunters at March 20, 2024 11:17 AM (jbnUc)

66 Social Security only *works* at 2.1 workers per recipient. Which is why I suggest if no children, no SS. You get to pay though, because you're saving half a million dollars per child you don't raise. Put that money in an annuity and shut up.

I'm not sure I understand your point, but if the idea is that you shouldn't have to pay for schools, SS, etc. because you have no kids, I profoundly disagree. There is no way having kids is anything but a huge money drain on the people who have them (ask me how I know). Like it or not, we have to do anything and everything we can to get people to have kids, because without them, the future ceases, and that includes the current retirees.

Posted by: Polar bears at March 20, 2024 11:18 AM (CsUN+)

67 They all live above the Fifth Floor.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:02 AM (HnUIn)

When the power starts going off for extended periods that won't be such a good thing.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 20, 2024 11:18 AM (XjtdB)

68 See? Win-win-win. Taxpayers and actual citizens get raped in the ass (sometimes literally), but they don't matter.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 20, 2024 11:15 AM (iFTx/)

And Rome did the same thing throughout the 3rd and 4th centuries. It all works great until the day comes when it doesn't, and then it's Game Over, Man.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 20, 2024 11:18 AM (i9ffA)

69 Also in the more downscale neighborhoods I'm aware of, there is heavy intermarriage between blacks of both genders and Hispanic immigrants. I believe what we would think of as "pure black" is gradually dying out, and being replaced by a hispanic variant
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Mestizos, Mulatos and Zambos. Those are the Hispanic mixes. Stuff people don't know about diversity.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 20, 2024 11:18 AM (m5P/4)

70 Imagine high school with true home economics classes and classes teaching girls how to be feminine and pretty. Classes for boys on how to be tough, strong, wise and how to handle a gun or work with your hands.

In the late 80s we still had home ec and shop class in high school (this was extremely rural Illinois). Home ec was useful for boys too since it covered balancing a checkbook and stuff in addition to how to cook and all that.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:19 AM (2ocoG)

71 I Meme Therefore I Am
@ImMeme0

A truth bomb explodes as a man reveals who's truly to blame for the migrant crisis in Chicago!

https://tinyurl.com/3zp93yjm

Posted by: redridinghood at March 20, 2024 11:19 AM (NpAcC)

72 So any means to break that down is a good thing, even if some of those means contradict each other. So isn't this the 'why' that correlates to all these other 'whys', including the ones that contradict each other? Isn't this evil billionaire WEF class the root of the poisonous anti-American tree?
Posted by: bearski at March 20, 2024 11:17 AM (Bhsk7)
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It ties into hatred and the obvious adjunct of raw power. They hate the American system, because it is unfair to them. They are denied the power that is their due, because of nonsense like "rights" and similar crap.

It's a slightly different motivation, I suppose

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:19 AM (HnUIn)

73 Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 20, 2024 11:16 AM (aD39U)

Thanks for the clarification.

Posted by: polynikes at March 20, 2024 11:19 AM (GzpNE)

74 Demofascists like to wrap their preferred political policies in moral language, always gong on about "the arc of history, and they do this because non of what they do accords with the Declaration or the Constitution or past American political practice.

But the real motivation is mercenary, as Joe points out: too many existing voters just won't go for what they want to do, so new voters are being brought in.

Posted by: The Frumious Follywood at March 20, 2024 11:19 AM (QcHPa)

75 Once Trump is in power, their game is truly over

Mass deportations

FBI reform

Border wall completed

I want all of these things from a Trump presidency, but I have very serious doubts about the first two.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 20, 2024 11:20 AM (CsUN+)

76 The cheap labor argument is kinda moot. Illegals aren’t working for $4 an hour. They’re working for $30 an hour these days,
Posted by: Montec at March 20, 2024 11:12 AM (4+s9S)

Or at least minimum wage+. The savings to the employer is in not paying all the government mandated employment costs.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 20, 2024 11:20 AM (XjtdB)

77 Minimum wage must be $20 where you live then? Because the going rate for a nanny is about that in my burg.

I ended up on a working moms mailing list somehow and there was a long bitter thread my one of the moms because a young American woman applied for her nanny job and wanted $20/h.

The original mom was *offended* and the others cackled along about how entitled the young woman was...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 11:20 AM (ibTVg)

78 I want all of these things from a Trump presidency, but I have very serious doubts about the first two. being implemented.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 20, 2024 11:20 AM (CsUN+)

79 37 The cheap labor argument is kinda moot. Illegals aren’t working for $4 an hour. They’re working for $30 an hour these days,
Posted by: Montec at March 20, 2024 11:12 AM (4+s9S)

But no benefits. Don't need health insurance when the ER is your friend and there's never a need to pay.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 20, 2024 11:21 AM (KbCG3)

80 I want all of these things from a Trump presidency, but I have very serious doubts about the first two.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 20, 2024 11:20 AM (CsUN+)

I want vengeance.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 20, 2024 11:21 AM (aD39U)

81 I want all of these things from a Trump presidency, but I have very serious doubts about the first two. being implemented.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 20, 2024 11:20 AM (CsUN+)
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I think it's likely that he'll try.

I think it's likely that he will fail.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:21 AM (HnUIn)

82 Multimillion Dollar Fund Manager Ditches Tyson Foods, Saying Meat Giant Sacking US Workers To Hire 42,000 Asylum Seekers Is The ‘Woke Liberal Takeover Of America’

A conservative fund manager has pulled investments from Tyson Foods, saying the meat and poultry giant has alienated its consumers by laying off Americans workers and hiring 42,000 asylum seekers.

Bill Flaig, CEO and co-founder of the $79 million American Conservative Values Fund (ACVF), told DailyMail.com that he has divested from Tyson and won’t buy any more stock in the company.

Angry consumers are boycotting Tyson over revelations that the company is shuttering plants and laying off workers while hiring tens of thousands of asylum seekers — and even hiring lawyers for its new recruits.
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UK Daily Mail

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 20, 2024 11:21 AM (2yu8s)

83 In the late 80s we still had home ec and shop class in high school (this was extremely rural Illinois). Home ec was useful for boys too since it covered balancing a checkbook and stuff in addition to how to cook and all that.
Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:19 AM (2ocoG)

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Yes, I’ve should’ve included financial literacy classes on avoiding debt and building wealth.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 20, 2024 11:21 AM (++4z6)

84 The cheap labor argument is kinda moot. Illegals aren’t working for $4 an hour. They’re working for $30 an hour these days,
Posted by: Montec at March 20, 2024 11:12 AM (4+s9S)

But no benefits. Don't need health insurance when the ER is your friend and there's never a need to pay.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 20, 2024 11:21 AM (KbCG3)

And if you do it all off the books there's no need to deal with FICA or tax forms or anything.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:22 AM (2ocoG)

85 What downsides?

Even setting aside cultural issues, a significant portion of the H1B crowd are incompetent. They use countryman contacts to cheat their way through college and copy/paste the most upvoted "solution" on stack overflow without understanding the underlying problem or recognizing whether the "solution" is correct, or not. This is a significant portion of the reason why everything "hi-tech" is becoming more fragile and unreliable.

This will, eventually, affect even the "elite" but they are too stupid to see it.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 11:22 AM (1Z8zZ)

86 Yes, I’ve should’ve included financial literacy classes on avoiding debt and building wealth.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 20, 2024 11:21 AM (++4z6)
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*Avoiding* debt? Huh?

Posted by: Government finance types, banks, corporations, et. al. at March 20, 2024 11:22 AM (HnUIn)

87 FBI reform
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Shuttering the DOJ would reform them very quickly. The US AG could focus on international issues that affect the nation instead of trying to be the Marshal of every Dodge city in America. States do law enforcement. Feds don't.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 20, 2024 11:22 AM (m5P/4)

88 It's mostly Jewish peoples fault. DNA analysis proved that those "beaver" hats that the Hacidic rabbis wear are 60% sea otter.

Posted by: Shabbos Goy at March 20, 2024 11:23 AM (V5BDR)

89 And Rome did the same thing throughout the 3rd and 4th centuries. It all works great until the day comes when it doesn't, and then it's Game Over, Man.

The German warlords weren't any worse, and often less authoritarian and rapacious then the Roman authorities in the late western empire.

As a citizen why would you want to fight to keep a worse tyrant in power?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 11:23 AM (ibTVg)

90
I'm not sure I understand your point, but if the idea is that you shouldn't have to pay for schools, SS, etc. because you have no kids, I profoundly disagree.

Posted by: Polar bears at March 20, 2024 11:18 AM

I did not say or imply that at all. You get to pay for schools, you get to pay for SS. But you don't get to collect SS if you choose not to have children, even if you get measles from a migrant and become infertile. Tough luck. You're saving a ton of money. Buy a yacht.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 11:23 AM (RKVpM)

91 Very good read. Joe - you got a very important thing right. There is no "one answer".

But I do believe there is a theme. At the tops of all these entities are those who are looking through the prism of their last ten years above the dirt. And they're running like Hell now to get their desires implemented before they die.

Posted by: Factoids at March 20, 2024 11:23 AM (5Mx4s)

92 29 I want to see the Biden family utterly ruined financially - their houses lost, their fancy cars repossessed, their bank accounts drained, while having them still facing enormous legal bills from a multitude of legal proceedings against them.

It is good game theory ("tit for tat"), and would show that if you try to turn the United States into Venezuela, there are personal consequences for that.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:09 AM (YAtuc)

I want EVERY Democrat in DC made destitute, homeless, and pressured into Minecrafting (euphemism) themselves.

Posted by: XTC at March 20, 2024 11:23 AM (UnA8+)

93 This will, eventually, affect even the "elite" but they are too stupid to see it.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 11:22 AM (1Z8zZ)
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Sure, but that's some hypothetical "tomorrow problem." Today, the quarterly dividend went up!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:23 AM (HnUIn)

94 I want all of these things from a Trump presidency, but I have very serious doubts about the first two. being implemented.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 20, 2024 11:20 AM (CsUN+)
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I think it's likely that he'll try.

I think it's likely that he will fail.

Agree. At least until the current crop of "judges and justices" is subjected to Dresden level destruction.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 20, 2024 11:24 AM (CsUN+)

95 I ended up on a working moms mailing list somehow and there was a long bitter thread my one of the moms because a young American woman applied for her nanny job and wanted $20/h.

The original mom was *offended* and the others cackled along about how entitled the young woman was...

Ask them how much they'd charge to be a nanny. Guarantee it's at least that much.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:24 AM (2ocoG)

96 I read Trump is considering Kevin McCarthy as his Chief of Staff if he wins.

*hits self in head with hammer*

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 20, 2024 11:24 AM (eYF7X)

97 90
I'm not sure I understand your point, but if the idea is that you shouldn't have to pay for schools, SS, etc. because you have no kids, I profoundly disagree.

Posted by: Polar bears at March 20, 2024 11:18 AM

I did not say or imply that at all. You get to pay for schools, you get to pay for SS. But you don't get to collect SS if you choose not to have children, even if you get measles from a migrant and become infertile. Tough luck. You're saving a ton of money. Buy a yacht.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 11:23 AM (RKVpM)

The last thing we need is a bunch of liberals breeding in order to secure entitlements. They already do that enough with welfare.

(Though I do understand your point)

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 20, 2024 11:24 AM (KbCG3)

98 But I do believe there is a theme. At the tops of all these entities are those who are looking through the prism of their last ten years above the dirt. And they're running like Hell now to get their desires implemented before they die.
Posted by: Factoids at March 20, 2024 11:23 AM (5Mx4s)
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Generally, yeah, I think this is a huge part of it. The demographic worriers appear to be the only ones who have any concept that "the future" is a thing.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:25 AM (HnUIn)

99 A truth bomb explodes as a man reveals who's truly to blame for the migrant crisis in Chicago!

https://tinyurl.com/3zp93yjm

Good for the guy, but I get so sick of blacks complaining because there's a hiccup in the free s*** pipeline. Are you not embarrassed?

Posted by: Archimedes at March 20, 2024 11:25 AM (CsUN+)

100 I want vengeance.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

I want Barron Trump wielding a poleaxe.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 20, 2024 11:25 AM (9yWhg)

101 75 Once Trump is in power, their game is truly over

Mass deportations
FBI reform
Border wall completed

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I want all of these things from a Trump presidency, but I have very serious doubts about the first two.

indeed.

Posted by: hawaiian judge liberation front at March 20, 2024 11:25 AM (v3pYe)

102 And, hey, Mannix chimp!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 20, 2024 11:01 AM (9yWhg)

At least the chimp isn't in a bikini.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 20, 2024 11:25 AM (W/lyH)

103 75 I want all of these things from a Trump presidency, but I have very serious doubts about the first two.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 20, 2024 11:20 AM (CsUN+)

A blood moat and heads on pikes (as a warning to the cartels) would be nice, too.

Posted by: XTC at March 20, 2024 11:25 AM (UnA8+)

104 The motivation is a simple number: 1.78. That is the US fertility rate this year

That's true for most of the world - Canada is at 1.4, Germany at 1.5, China at 1.0(!). Russia is at 1.5, Ukraine at 1.3.

The only part of the world growing rapidly is Africa at 4.3 - Middle Africa at 5.6, Western Africa at 4.9. Somalia is at 6.1.

The only non-African country in the 20 fastest growing counties is Afghanistan at 4.4.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:25 AM (YAtuc)

105 The more third world foreigners we have the more we become a 'good enough' mind set country.

No more pride in doing an exceptional job, no more perfectionists.

Posted by: polynikes at March 20, 2024 11:26 AM (GzpNE)

106 I'm not sure I understand your point, but if the idea is that you shouldn't have to pay for schools, SS, etc. because you have no kids, I profoundly disagree.

Posted by: Polar bears at March 20, 2024 11:18 AM

I did not say or imply that at all. You get to pay for schools, you get to pay for SS. But you don't get to collect SS if you choose not to have children, even if you get measles from a migrant and become infertile. Tough luck. You're saving a ton of money. Buy a yacht.

Ah, well I'm glad I qualified it. Apologies for misunderstanding what you were saying.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 20, 2024 11:26 AM (CsUN+)

107 I want to see the Biden family utterly ruined financially - their houses lost, their fancy cars repossessed, their bank accounts drained, while having them still facing enormous legal bills from a multitude of legal proceedings against them.

Do they actually have fancy cars? I don't consider Joe's Vette to be fancy. The Bidens in general seem to blow their money on invisible things rather than the usual gold explosion that occurs when low-class people get rich (e.g. NFL players or trailer park lottery winners).

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:26 AM (2ocoG)

108 Actually on construction crews and other labor where a group work together, there's no hourly wage. There's a "boss" who speaks English well, he's a citizen, and he offers you a flat rate for his guys - he'll have 9 or 10, and he agrees to take care of all their pay, you just pay him a flat rate. He probably gives them a place to sleep (8 to a room), a plate of beans, and $20 a day to do whatever he says. The most practiced ones have a partner on the local police force who can pick up any worker who gives him any trouble.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 20, 2024 11:27 AM (i9ffA)

109 The only part of the world growing rapidly is Africa at 4.3 - Middle Africa at 5.6, Western Africa at 4.9. Somalia is at 6.1.

The only non-African country in the 20 fastest growing counties is Afghanistan at 4.4.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:25 AM (YAtuc)

I assume their life expectancy is a lot lower and their infant mortality rate is a lot higher.

Posted by: polynikes at March 20, 2024 11:27 AM (GzpNE)

110 77 The original mom was *offended* and the others cackled along about how entitled the young woman was...
Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 11:20

What was she thinking she should pay? I paid $20/hr 8-10 years ago!

Posted by: Piper at March 20, 2024 11:27 AM (ZdaMQ)

111 That's true for most of the world - Canada is at 1.4, Germany at 1.5, China at 1.0(!). Russia is at 1.5, Ukraine at 1.3. ...
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:25 AM (YAtuc)
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Yes. And so far, all countries except China, Korea and Japan view being colonized as the answer. Japan will probably avoid it, China will likely try to conquer new territory instead and Korea is so royally fucked that it will cease to exist.

*All* of the declining-population countries are running their experiments right now. The entire west went all-in on being colonized. The Asians are the wildcard.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:27 AM (HnUIn)

112 The only non-African country in the 20 fastest growing counties is Afghanistan at 4.4.

When none of your four wives can doom scroll facebook or binge watch netflix eventually one of them gets in the mood.

Its a shame that leaves me less time with my favorite goat though.

Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at March 20, 2024 11:27 AM (ibTVg)

113 108 Actually on construction crews and other labor where a group work together, there's no hourly wage. There's a "boss" who speaks English well, he's a citizen, and he offers you a flat rate for his guys - he'll have 9 or 10, and he agrees to take care of all their pay, you just pay him a flat rate. He probably gives them a place to sleep (8 to a room), a plate of beans, and $20 a day to do whatever he says. The most practiced ones have a partner on the local police force who can pick up any worker who gives him any trouble.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Thanks Tom for filling in the blanks. Did not know this.

Posted by: whig at March 20, 2024 11:28 AM (lpeEt)

114 Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:26 AM (2ocoG)

He paid cash for his beach house.

Posted by: polynikes at March 20, 2024 11:28 AM (GzpNE)

115 Actually on construction crews and other labor where a group work together, there's no hourly wage. There's a "boss" who speaks English well, he's a citizen, and he offers you a flat rate for his guys - he'll have 9 or 10, and he agrees to take care of all their pay, you just pay him a flat rate. He probably gives them a place to sleep (8 to a room), a plate of beans, and $20 a day to do whatever he says. The most practiced ones have a partner on the local police force who can pick up any worker who gives him any trouble.

Basically what used to happen before the Democrats created a mile-high tower of regulations that make it hard to hire people.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:29 AM (2ocoG)

116 Peter Navarro, former senior official in the Trump administration, starts his 4 month prison sentence today. He wrote a short letter in the Washington Examiner that's worth a read.

https://tinyurl.com/4ws6vwyn

Short and to the point on the lawfare being waged and a short primer on Executive Privilege.

Posted by: Cheri at March 20, 2024 11:29 AM (oiNtH)

117 50 Depends on the segment. In my area every AWFL has a latin American nanny/maid that they pay below minimum wage.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 11:13 AM (ibTVg)
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Resorts and hotels are going whole-hog on illegals, too. They might not make below minimum wage, but they make way below otherwise-prevailing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:14 AM (HnUIn)___________

They do make below minimum wage.

The way it works is maybe 30-50% of workers are off the books. Some are literally off the books in the sense they don't technically work there. Others are only technically on the books. Both groups are basically paid in cash, pay no taxes, and the company pays no payroll taxes or other expenses.

It's a simple tradeoff: how much less would any of us work for if we didn't hand over 40+ percent of our incomes in taxes??

The companies I work for were in businesses like this. The employees were all illegal and wanted to work off the books for cash. There's an entire ghost worker economy out there that's fueled by illegal immigration and lack of enforcement on employers who cheat the system.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 20, 2024 11:29 AM (iFTx/)

118 What was she thinking she should pay? I paid $20/hr 8-10 years ago!

I don't remember her sharing the number but she hired a "Maria" who agreed to a "reasonable rate" and..."didn't want much time off" either.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 11:29 AM (ibTVg)

119
The last thing we need is a bunch of liberals breeding in order to secure entitlements. They already do that enough with welfare.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 20, 2024 11:24 AM

My very own sister is a liberal and I think she speaks for the majority of them when she said, "I could never bring a child into this fvcked up world." So she's childless, collecting Social Security, and part of the problem.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 11:29 AM (RKVpM)

120 71 I Meme Therefore I Am
@ImMeme0

A truth bomb explodes as a man reveals who's truly to blame for the migrant crisis in Chicago!

https://tinyurl.com/3zp93yjm
Posted by: redridinghood at March 20, 2024 11:19 AM
Pure beauty.

Posted by: Eromero at March 20, 2024 11:29 AM (NxC5+)

121 Good rant. Thanks.

Building back better. Erasing history. They will not cede control and they're sick of the commoners b*tching & wanting moar.

Dynasty, elitists families are setting up 'theirs' & those both educated and apt to be loyalists for the future as they do and will continue to benefit through the abundance of New Leaders programs & Foundations run by former and current government leaders and heads of civil society.

The Chamber of Commerce, NGOs, our government, and more also believe a large percentage of the more obvious border jumpers are also likely to become loyalists, grateful for some menial jobs, money to send to homelands, substandard public school educations, crowded housing, what we believe are medical care deserts, and so on.

This is the way of the world.

Posted by: L - Ever defining their rope-a-dope tactics & evil at March 20, 2024 11:31 AM (GshMh)

122 I think a declining population is only a problem for the elite. The entire “growth” economic system we have as designed is for the purpose of massive transfer of wealth to the already wealthy.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 20, 2024 11:31 AM (++4z6)

123 They were obviously quite fearful of a Trump who didn't have to concern himself with reelection.

And still are. So bear that in mind.

Posted by: ... at March 20, 2024 11:31 AM (NrWsf)

124 Perhaps you should listen to ancient Yuri Bezmenov interview, then you will understand.

Posted by: DavidH at March 20, 2024 11:31 AM (g1GOU)

125 There is no way for the left to spin this crap.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2024 11:04 AM (LkLld)

So they'll ignore it.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 11:32 AM (1Z8zZ)

126 And they're running like Hell now to get their desires implemented before they die.
Posted by: Factoids at March 20, 2024 11:23 AM (5Mx4s)

I agree. It seems like Teddy Kennedy dying woke a lot of the gerontocracy up to the fact that they were *old* and they lost patience with the generational Gramscian approach.

Which is good in a way, because they started applying enough heat that we frogs began to notice and get uncomfortable.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 20, 2024 11:32 AM (XjtdB)

127 119
The last thing we need is a bunch of liberals breeding in order to secure entitlements. They already do that enough with welfare.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 20, 2024 11:24 AM

My very own sister is a liberal and I think she speaks for the majority of them when she said, "I could never bring a child into this fvcked up world." So she's childless, collecting Social Security, and part of the problem.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 11:29 AM (RKVpM)

But...she didn't procreate and deliver into this world another mentally unstable lib or two. Win?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 20, 2024 11:32 AM (KbCG3)

128 Perhaps you should listen to ancient Yuri Bezmenov interview, then you will understand.
Posted by: DavidH at March 20, 2024 11:31 AM (g1GOU)
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Oh, I have.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:32 AM (HnUIn)

129 He paid cash for his beach house.

Sure, but the beach house isn't *that* fancy aside from being a beach house. Hunter's the only one of them with obvious spending habits.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:32 AM (2ocoG)

130 Y’all. I just door dashed breakfast / lunch and my dasher is named Marijuana.

Posted by: Piper at March 20, 2024 11:33 AM (ZdaMQ)

131 Good for the guy, but I get so sick of blacks complaining because there's a hiccup in the free s*** pipeline. Are you not embarrassed?

About as much as the cackling old woman, I assume she was white, talking about entitlement. We are swimming in an ocean of those who feel entitled to the labor of others - at the price of their own choosing. Its been this way my entire life.

And whats the hot fix to all our problems ? More entitlement, via theft by taxes. Its on this very thread.

Posted by: Factoids at March 20, 2024 11:33 AM (5Mx4s)

132 My very own sister is a liberal and I think she speaks for the majority of them when she said, "I could never bring a child into this fvcked up world." So she's childless, collecting Social Security, and part of the problem.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 11:29 AM (RKVpM)

Next time it comes up just tell her "The Mormons, the Evangelicals, and the Mexicans want to thank you for leaving them everything your ancestors built."

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 20, 2024 11:34 AM (i9ffA)

133 Yea he employers save on benefits and payroll taxes, true. But that’s what 15% savings vs hiring someone legally? Sure it’s some thing but it’s not like a massive incentive to hire them.

Posted by: Montec at March 20, 2024 11:34 AM (4+s9S)

134 Y’all. I just door dashed breakfast / lunch and my dasher is named Marijuana.
Posted by: Piper

Did you order brownies?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 20, 2024 11:34 AM (9yWhg)

135 When none of your four wives can doom scroll facebook or binge watch netflix eventually one of them gets in the mood.

What massively reduces the birth rate is educating women, and having their labor be worth something on the open market.

That makes having kids much much more expensive.

When Afghanistan makes sure that women can't get educations, they are pursing an conscious strategy.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:35 AM (YAtuc)

136 The most practiced ones have a partner on the local police force who can pick up any worker who gives him any trouble.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 20, 2024 11:27 AM (i9ffA)

Yes. The only way a trafficking scheme of any kind works long term is with assistance from someone in power.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 20, 2024 11:35 AM (XjtdB)

137
But...she didn't procreate and deliver into this world another mentally unstable lib or two. Win?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 20, 2024 11:32 AM

She *did* however try to inoculate by brothers children into leftism. He kicked her out of his house and told her never to come back. They never stop trying to push their religion on others.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 11:35 AM (RKVpM)

138 I agree. It seems like Teddy Kennedy dying woke a lot of the gerontocracy up to the fact that they were *old* and they lost patience with the generational Gramscian approach.

I think the fear of death has had a lot of impact on these people.

They want to download themselves to a computer/meet aliens/perfect nano-bio-tech/etc because they don't believe in any sort of afterlife.

So either they get that black swan event to happen NOW or they die permanently. And if there is a non-trivial risk they could exterminate mankind in their drive for radical personal life extension? Well...those people are racist, religious, dumb, and deserve it...

Oh, ironically this is a plot point in of all movies...Prometheus.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 11:35 AM (ibTVg)

139 72 So any means to break that down is a good thing, even if some of those means contradict each other. So isn't this the 'why' that correlates to all these other 'whys', including the ones that contradict each other? Isn't this evil billionaire WEF class the root of the poisonous anti-American tree?
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It ties into hatred and the obvious adjunct of raw power. They hate the American system, because it is unfair to them. They are denied the power that is their due, because of nonsense like "rights" and similar crap.

It's a slightly different motivation, I suppose

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I don't know that 'they' (the masters of the ruling class) hate the American system (it made them, or a lot of them) as much as they unemotionally think it's unsustainable: only they can save the world, and have a right to given their station. The fact that they could fall in station and how the American system provides for that rise and fall, and thus need its destruction for a static serf-lord system while they're still on top, is of course just a coincidence. They're really the chosen ones... That's my take on their motivations, and what let's them look in the mirror every day with a clean conscience

Posted by: bearski at March 20, 2024 11:35 AM (Bhsk7)

140 Generally, yeah, I think this is a huge part of it. The demographic worriers appear to be the only ones who have any concept that "the future" is a thing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

The demographic worriers are accelerating the decline simply by not realizing that people are not widgets but have different goals based on culture.

The Globo homo uber culture in the West simply cannot comprehend that other people choose to do things differently whether it is in Afghanistan or Hicksville USA. To them, people, like money, are able to be molded by the better classes to be whatever the elites want them to be---peasants, artisans, etc.

Amusing dry wit short story about this by H. Beam Piper (available for free in multiple places) and the story is Oomphel in the Sky. Even in the late 50's or early 60's, people like H. Beam Piper and Walter Dean Burnham could see what was coming.

Posted by: whig at March 20, 2024 11:36 AM (lpeEt)

141 At the tops of all these entities are those who are looking through the prism of their last ten years above the dirt. And they're running like Hell now to get their desires implemented before they die.
Posted by: Factoids at March 20, 2024 11:23 AM (5Mx4s)

...It's GeezerGEDDON!!!

And it sucks SO much.

Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question at March 20, 2024 11:36 AM (JCLJi)

142 Yes. The only way a trafficking scheme of any kind works long term is with assistance from someone in power.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 20, 2024 11:35 AM (XjtdB)
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Corruption is binary.

For some, it's the grease that lets the wheels move.
For others, it's the sand that keeps the wheels from turning.

There are more people for whom it's sand than people for whom it's grease - but for the latter group, it's a *lot* of grease.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:36 AM (HnUIn)

143 The motivation is a simple number: 1.78.

Sadly, the only real way to solve that problem is to work on getting young women to understand that becoming mothers is the single greatest thing they could do for the world. Then they'd need to work to have policies which promoted stable marriages, decent wages so mothers could choose to stay home with their children, local community engagement, etc. In short, the opposite of everything the left has been about for over a century.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 11:36 AM (1Z8zZ)

144 Barron elbowed the Secret Service agent out of the way, pounced on the bànk, seized all the hotels, stacked them on Boardwalk and Park Place, and wrote "$1 Grillion" on the backs of his deeds. Then he shouted "Welcome to MAGA Country," and told me to let him grab me by the pussy, unless it was my bloodbath time.

The whole thing is seared on my hippocampus. I think of it every time I walk out either of my front doors.

Posted by: Madison Cornbread at March 20, 2024 11:36 AM (0FoWg)

145 I don't know that 'they' (the masters of the ruling class) hate the American system (it made them, or a lot of them) as much as they unemotionally think it's unsustainable: only they can save the world, and have a right to given their station. The fact that they could fall in station and how the American system provides for that rise and fall, and thus need its destruction for a static serf-lord system while they're still on top, is of course just a coincidence. They're really the chosen ones... That's my take on their motivations, and what let's them look in the mirror every day with a clean conscience
Posted by: bearski at March 20, 2024 11:35 AM (Bhsk7)
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Megalomania is a possibility too, yeah. For some of them, anyway.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:37 AM (HnUIn)

146 134
Did you order brownies?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 20, 2024

We have a local place here that makes really great, very healthy food. I am thinking Marijuana was whispering “boujie” under her breath as she picked up the order. 😂

Posted by: Piper at March 20, 2024 11:38 AM (ZdaMQ)

147 The demographic worriers are accelerating the decline simply by not realizing that people are not widgets but have different goals based on culture.

The Globo homo uber culture in the West simply cannot comprehend that other people choose to do things differently whether it is in Afghanistan or Hicksville USA. To them, people, like money, are able to be molded by the better classes to be whatever the elites want them to be---peasants, artisans, etc. ...
Posted by: whig at March 20, 2024 11:36 AM (lpeEt)
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Yup. "People are interchangeable parts" is a common conceit among the elite. I have met fairly few business executives who don't believe it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:38 AM (HnUIn)

148 I Meme Therefore I Am
@ImMeme0

A truth bomb explodes as a man reveals who's truly to blame for the migrant crisis in Chicago!

https://tinyurl.com/3zp93yjm
Posted by: redridinghood

Bam! Excellent. And she will probably vote for Biden again

Posted by: Cheri at March 20, 2024 11:38 AM (oiNtH)

149 But the foot soldiers and lieutenants... They hate. Front line soldiers gotta be charged up to take that hill with high risk of giving up their lives. The generals are making the unemotional decisions without risking their fate...

Posted by: bearski at March 20, 2024 11:38 AM (Bhsk7)

150 143 The motivation is a simple number: 1.78.

Sadly, the only real way to solve that problem is to work on getting young women to understand that becoming mothers is the single greatest thing they could do for the world.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 11:36 AM (1Z8zZ)

Yeah, I don't think that is going to fly. They'll work their butts off to ensure you have to give up your gas-powered car and eat bugs but they'll be damned if they're going to give up their freedom to birth some dependent fetus.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 20, 2024 11:38 AM (KbCG3)

151 Elon Musk @elonmusk 23h
This is actually happening!

https://tinyurl.com/thsvxkb2
1:39 video on illegals' flood to establish single-party rule

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Going to post that, but andy beat me to it.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 20, 2024 11:39 AM (VE/4w)

152 111 That's true for most of the world - Canada is at 1.4, Germany at 1.5, China at 1.0(!). Russia is at 1.5, Ukraine at 1.3. ...
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:25 AM (YAtuc)
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Yes. And so far, all countries except China, Korea and Japan view being colonized as the answer. Japan will probably avoid it, China will likely try to conquer new territory instead and Korea is so royally fucked that it will cease to exist.

*All* of the declining-population countries are running their experiments right now. The entire west went all-in on being colonized. The Asians are the wildcard.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:27 AM (HnUIn)
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That's part of the reason I think Japan and Korea -- and to a lesser extent China -- are all on on robotics and mechanization. They are smart enough to know that their massive industrial and manufacturing sectors -- the lifeblood of their entire countries -- is soon going to be short on actual biological employees and manpower. So they are making alternative plans.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 20, 2024 11:39 AM (iFTx/)

153 Y’all. I just door dashed breakfast / lunch and my dasher is named Marijuana.
Posted by: Piper at March 20, 2024 11:33 AM

Mary Jane?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 20, 2024 11:39 AM (5sOEG)

154 Sadly, the only real way to solve that problem is to work on getting young women to understand that becoming mothers is the single greatest thing they could do for the world. Then they'd need to work to have policies which promoted stable marriages, decent wages so mothers could choose to stay home with their children, local community engagement, etc. In short, the opposite of everything the left has been about for over a century.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 11:36 AM (1Z8zZ)
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That's a big part of it.

But this is one of those long-term and politically-dangerous experiments that will not be run. Import new people instead.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:39 AM (HnUIn)

155 The fact that they could fall in station and how the American system provides for that rise and fall, and thus need its destruction for a static serf-lord system while they're still on top

Yeah, it's all about perpetuating its privileges.

It's like tech, which used to have new companies overthrowing the market leaders every few years, and is now locked into five monopolies who can crush any potential competition.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:40 AM (YAtuc)

156 Abolish the federal government.

Of course, this will never happen. Too many moochers, looters, layabouts, careerists, double dippers, triple dippers, "disabled" fakers and wankers, defense contractors, sex workers, scumbags, thieves and retirees all with mouths open for Unger Sugar to fill up with his Love Juice.

Be polite now and swallow.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 20, 2024 11:40 AM (MHhQj)

157 Megalomania is a possibility too, yeah. For some of them, anyway.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:37 AM (HnUIn)

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Absolutely. But they justify it to themselves as the world just wouldn't survive without them. I'm sure Hitler really thought he was doing the right thing. Probably felt holy... Anyway, it all makes sense to me seeing it this way. Could be oversimplifying...

Posted by: bearski at March 20, 2024 11:41 AM (Bhsk7)

158 Dynasty, elitists families are setting up 'theirs' & those both educated and apt to be loyalists for the future as they do and will continue to benefit through the abundance of New Leaders programs & Foundations run by former and current government leaders and heads of civil society.

The Chamber of Commerce, NGOs, our government, and more also believe a large percentage of the more obvious border jumpers are also likely to become loyalists, grateful for some menial jobs, money to send to homelands, substandard public school educations, crowded housing, what we believe are medical care deserts, and so on.

This is the way of the world.
Posted by: L
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This is not what history teaches us. The elites drank the Marxism idea of an end of history--there never is as even Fukiyama had to admit a couple of years ago.

History teaches us that brute force at the end of the day settles the issues and our Eloi elites are ill prepared for that day. Their craven fear of death has led them to a dead end for them and they can't cheat death by hiring others to protect them because you can't really trust mercenaries.

Posted by: whig at March 20, 2024 11:42 AM (lpeEt)

159 Yeah, it's all about perpetuating its privileges.

It's like tech, which used to have new companies overthrowing the market leaders every few years, and is now locked into five monopolies who can crush any potential competition.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:40 AM (YAtuc)
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Nobody craves security more than those at the top.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:43 AM (HnUIn)

160 Sadly, the only real way to solve that problem is to work on getting young women to understand that becoming mothers is the single greatest thing they could do for the world.

Israel is one of the few developed countries with a fertility rate well above replacement (2.9).

Sort of a FU to history and the rest of the world.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:43 AM (YAtuc)

161 It's like tech, which used to have new companies overthrowing the market leaders every few years, and is now locked into five monopolies who can crush any potential competition.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:40 AM (YAtuc)

The familiar pendulum swing was to happen once more, and then stop. As usual, the High were to be turned out by the Middle, who would then become the High; but this time, by conscious strategy, the High would be able to maintain their position permanently.

Posted by: 1984 at March 20, 2024 11:43 AM (MHhQj)

162 138 So either they get that black swan event to happen NOW or they die permanently. And if there is a non-trivial risk they could exterminate mankind in their drive for radical personal life extension? Well...those people are racist, religious, dumb, and deserve it...

Oh, ironically this is a plot point in of all movies...Prometheus.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 11:35 AM (ibTVg)

They also can't stand the idea of civilization continuing to exist without them, because they're the CHOSEN ONES, damn it!

Posted by: XTC at March 20, 2024 11:43 AM (UnA8+)

163 I read Trump is considering Kevin McCarthy as his Chief of Staff if he wins.

*hits self in head with hammer*

What's that Mark Twain quote about the difference between a man and a dog? Trump needs to get that tattooed backwards on his forehead so he can read it every morning in the mirror.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 20, 2024 11:43 AM (sNc8Y)

164 154 Sadly, the only real way to solve that problem is to work on getting young women to understand that becoming mothers is the single greatest thing they could do for the world. Then they'd need to work to have policies which promoted stable marriages, decent wages so mothers could choose to stay home with their children, local community engagement, etc. In short, the opposite of everything the left has been about for over a century.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 11:36 AM (1Z8zZ)
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In Poland, a college degreed woman who marries and stays at home to birth and raise kids gets 1/2 her expected salary in the field from the age of 1st child birth to the last child to 18.

That's how you create stable marriages and women staying home to raise kids. If we're gonna provide WIC and welfare payments, why not flip who benefits on its head, and benefit what would be the middle class dual parent family, and not the immigrant single parent welfare one...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 20, 2024 11:44 AM (exHjb)

165 >The biggest ballache that I have is that I should, by rights, support the police. But I have run into too many assholes in uniform and see too much unwillingness for them to do their jobs for me to do anything other than to have severe mistrust in them.

I have several stories about police or private security that are infuriating. I have had zero positive encounters. It's unrealistic to expect the negative to be zero. If the positive is zero, management choices were made that led to that.

I look very clean and well-kept, FYI. I don't want to defer too much to police with beards and fucking neck tattoos.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 20, 2024 11:44 AM (cf/0E)

166 I've seen a lot of right leaning demographic worries on youtube and its interesting they always start with something like, "Now I don't want to take away any of the gains women have made over the last couple of generations but..."

Our current society incentives and glamorizes women not having kids. I suppose you could eliminate the latter without the former but I think it would be difficult to do and obviously the current junta has no interest in doing it at all...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 11:44 AM (ibTVg)

167 Cheep Laybur

Posted by: Son of Dad at March 20, 2024 11:44 AM (8JB5s)

168 I read Trump is considering Kevin McCarthy as his Chief of Staff if he wins.

*hits self in head with hammer*
Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 20, 2024 11:24 AM (eYF7X)
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Sigh.

I suppose it's too much to hope for that Trump is making this promise to deflect some establishment opposition, and he plans to tell McCarthy "LOLNOPE" if the time comes.

Or it's a baseless rumor. Hopefully that.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:45 AM (HnUIn)

169 Why am I indifferent to the border, and don't mind it being open? Because you awful Jesus People are concerned about it and want it closed.

It's that simple. Screw all y'all

Posted by: Karen at March 20, 2024 11:45 AM (qivEW)

170
Sadly, the only real way to solve that problem is to work on getting young women to understand that becoming mothers is the single greatest thing they could do for the world. Then they'd need to work to have policies which promoted stable marriages, decent wages so mothers could choose to stay home with their children, local community engagement, etc. In short, the opposite of everything the left has been about for over a century.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 11:36 AM

Everything you mentioned, and more the USSR did in the 1920's and beyond to try to raise their birth rate. They even abolished abortion which had been legal, but nothing worked. Women decide the birth rate and they don't seem to want to have many children.

My son is a perfect example. His wife had one child, a daughter, and is done. She got what she wanted.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 11:45 AM (RKVpM)

171 156 Abolish the federal government.

Of course, this will never happen. Too many moochers, looters, layabouts, careerists, double dippers, triple dippers, "disabled" fakers and wankers, defense contractors, sex workers, scumbags, thieves and retirees all with mouths open for Unger Sugar to fill up with his Love Juice.

Be polite now and swallow.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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I'm sure that Roman bureaucrats felt that way until suddenly they were either dead or they were scrambling with the masses to scrape out a living.

Bankruptcy of a country happens slowly then all at once because a fiat currency at the end of the day is only worth faith that it is worth something and others will take it in exchange for tangible goods.

There is no one big enough to bail the US out nor Europe so we are likely to see a pretty nasty reset either massive inflation and depression or repudiation and immediate depression.

Posted by: whig at March 20, 2024 11:45 AM (lpeEt)

172 In Poland, a college degreed woman who marries and stays at home to birth and raise kids gets 1/2 her expected salary in the field from the age of 1st child birth to the last child to 18.

And Poland's fertility rate is still just 1.5. Russia's been trying birth incentives too, with equal lack of results.

Hard to overcome the dominant culture.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:46 AM (YAtuc)

173
Culled Otter Fricasee is a delicacy in some quarters.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 20, 2024 11:46 AM (xG4kz)

174 This busty brunette (redhead?) hope that the ruling class knows that their hatred and resentment are mutual:
http://tiny.cc/881kxz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:47 AM (HnUIn)

175 Everything you mentioned, and more the USSR did in the 1920's and beyond to try to raise their birth rate. They even abolished abortion which had been legal, but nothing worked. Women decide the birth rate and they don't seem to want to have many children.

My son is a perfect example. His wife had one child, a daughter, and is done. She got what she wanted.
Posted by: Divide by Zero
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They better hope for robots in the future to take care of them when they get old. Or you depend on the kindness (or not) of strangers and the tender mercies of an avaricious and depraved government.

Posted by: whig at March 20, 2024 11:47 AM (lpeEt)

176 >Abolish the federal government. Of course, this will never happen. Too many moochers, looters, layabouts, careerists, double dippers, triple dippers, "disabled" fakers and wankers, defense contractors, sex workers, scumbags, thieves and retirees

The money will run out. It is, in the words of Kim Jong Il, inevitable. I might have been sad a few years ago that something mighty has come to an end. Now I just hope that the transition doesn't cause too much damage.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 20, 2024 11:47 AM (cf/0E)

177 Yeah, it's all about perpetuating its privileges.

It's like tech, which used to have new companies overthrowing the market leaders every few years, and is now locked into five monopolies who can crush any potential competition.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:40 AM (YAtuc)

"Rag to riches to rags" is seen as an American thing because they don't know history. It happened to noble families all the time, so recreating feudal society isn't going to give them the stability they crave. It *will* give them a whole lot of new (old) problems that, because they don't know history, they will be entirely unprepared for.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 20, 2024 11:47 AM (XjtdB)

178 I've seen a lot of right leaning demographic worries on youtube and its interesting they always start with something like, "Now I don't want to take away any of the gains women have made over the last couple of generations but..."

Much like the open border, feminism has both a Marxist component and a Chamber of Commerce component. You advance leftism and you halve wages by increasing the labor pool.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:47 AM (FD5dr)

179 Texas and the bill that would ban TikTok are the biggest stories today.

the 5th Circuit thinks it can defy the S.C.

and the TikTok bill is a trojan horse, please urge your elected representatives to vote against it.

Posted by: Shoey77 at March 20, 2024 11:48 AM (//kQK)

180 ... There is no one big enough to bail the US out nor Europe so we are likely to see a pretty nasty reset either massive inflation and depression or repudiation and immediate depression.
Posted by: whig at March 20, 2024 11:45 AM (lpeEt)
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True, but knowing our government, it will be both. Keep the wheels turning as long as possible through inflation and depression, then repudiate or default and bring on deflation and depression.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:48 AM (HnUIn)

181 154 Sadly, the only real way to solve that problem is to work on getting young women to understand that becoming mothers is the single greatest thing they could do for the world. Then they'd need to work to have policies which promoted stable marriages, decent wages so mothers could choose to stay home with their children, local community engagement, etc. In short, the opposite of everything the left has been about for over a century.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 11:36 AM (1Z8zZ)
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That's a big part of it.

But this is one of those long-term and politically-dangerous experiments that will not be run. Import new people instead.

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This wouldn't be a government fix, it would need to be a cultural fix. And it's nigh impossible to get that genie back in the bottle. Not to mention the powers-that-be want American values out, so it's fine importing non-American ones; they don't want a govt fix. Maybe we could hit rock bottom and people see the light, but the school & cultural media brainwashing these women & girls have all taken in at this point... Hard to see them coming back from that

Posted by: bearski at March 20, 2024 11:49 AM (Bhsk7)

182 Posted by: Karen at March 20, 2024 11:45 AM (qivEW)

I assume that this is a sock and not an actual troll, but I think "Jesus people" were around in the 70's. Hopefully they haven't all tripped and broken their hips at their advanced ages.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 20, 2024 11:49 AM (DCNcI)

183 I don't know how we've lasted this long with the number of people who contribute nothing and only have their hands out their entire lives.

Posted by: nckate at March 20, 2024 11:49 AM (67S4S)

184
One of the European countries has a policy of four children equals zero taxes for life. Norway, Sweden area I forget exactly.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 11:49 AM (RKVpM)

185 172 In Poland, a college degreed woman who marries and stays at home to birth and raise kids gets 1/2 her expected salary in the field from the age of 1st child birth to the last child to 18.

And Poland's fertility rate is still just 1.5. Russia's been trying birth incentives too, with equal lack of results.

Hard to overcome the dominant culture.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:46 AM (YAtuc)

1.5 is better than almost all of Europe. And think about all the societal issues Poland doesn't have that we do.

Poland has no real faith-based culture...at all...at this point, so to get to 1.5 is kinda a miracle.

I mean, I could have suggested we bring back faith, especially faith that encourages big families (Catholics, Mormons, Jews, etc), but that's kinda impossible to do as a governmental level plan...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 20, 2024 11:49 AM (exHjb)

186 178 I've seen a lot of right leaning demographic worries on youtube and its interesting they always start with something like, "Now I don't want to take away any of the gains women have made over the last couple of generations but..."

Much like the open border, feminism has both a Marxist component and a Chamber of Commerce component. You advance leftism and you halve wages by increasing the labor pool.
Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:47 AM (FD5dr)

To say nothing of the "gains" women have made in the mental health department...

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 20, 2024 11:49 AM (KbCG3)

187
Oh, ironically this is a plot point in of all movies...Prometheus.
Posted by: 18-1

Undoubtably one of the most anti-human movies ever made. It was profoundly hateful.

Above all else, I wanted to smash the faces of those who created it.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 20, 2024 11:50 AM (xG4kz)

188 They'll have their numbers, but things will NOT keep humming along.

Posted by: Butch at March 20, 2024 11:50 AM (0APJ3)

189 This wouldn't be a government fix, it would need to be a cultural fix. And it's nigh impossible to get that genie back in the bottle. Not to mention the powers-that-be want American values out, so it's fine importing non-American ones; they don't want a govt fix. Maybe we could hit rock bottom and people see the light, but the school & cultural media brainwashing these women & girls have all taken in at this point... Hard to see them coming back from that
Posted by: bearski at March 20, 2024 11:49 AM (Bhsk7)
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It's both. The cultural component is larger, but there is a place for government in that battle - namely, rolling back some of the changes over the past 60 years. Ending no-fault divorce and default female custody would go a long way, as would winding down welfare programs for single mothers.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:50 AM (HnUIn)

190 160 Sadly, the only real way to solve that problem is to work on getting young women to understand that becoming mothers is the single greatest thing they could do for the world.

Israel is one of the few developed countries with a fertility rate well above replacement (2.9).

Sort of a FU to history and the rest of the world.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:43 AM (YAtuc)
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I wonder what the breakdown of the 2.9 is. I'll bet a lot of it is very religious or Hassidic Jews who tend to have huge families. I suspect the more secular Israelis are under 2.0 and that the overall number is trending down.

Israel might be in better shape in this regard than the rest of the civilized western world, but I don't think she can resist the long-term downward trend already affecting the west. Nor can she keep up with the litters of degenerate broods of cockroaches the Pali women dump out every 10 months.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 20, 2024 11:50 AM (iFTx/)

191 184
One of the European countries has a policy of four children equals zero taxes for life. Norway, Sweden area I forget exactly.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 11:49 AM (RKVpM)

Dang, I need to move there...I'm set!

Posted by: Nova Local at March 20, 2024 11:51 AM (exHjb)

192 168 I read Trump is considering Kevin McCarthy as his Chief of Staff if he wins.

*hits self in head with hammer*
Posted by: Maj. Healey
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That came from noted hater of Trump--Bloomberg News Service quoting 'anonymous' sourcing.

Too many people here still think the MSM is credible because of Gell Mann amnesia effect.

In other words, anonymously sourced reports on Trump are simply garbage and disinfo by the MSM and even conservative media TM from people like Treacher, No Cred Ed, etc.--why should anyone believe them on after such stellar reporting as Russia Russia pee gate, the Gorilla Channel, Trump grabbing the steering wheel to go to the Capitol, Trump called White Supremacists good people, yadda yadda yadda.

The bloodbath that never happened should have told you that.

Posted by: whig at March 20, 2024 11:51 AM (lpeEt)

193 189 It's both. The cultural component is larger, but there is a place for government in that battle - namely, rolling back some of the changes over the past 60 years. Ending no-fault divorce and default female custody would go a long way, as would winding down welfare programs for single mothers.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:50 AM (HnUIn)

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Revisiting regulations around child car seats to allow them to be thinner so you can fit three in a row in a regular sedan.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 20, 2024 11:51 AM (GBKbO)

194 They'll have their numbers, but things will NOT keep humming along.
Posted by: Butch at March 20, 2024 11:50 AM (0APJ3)
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No, of course not.

But they have been convinced - or convinced themselves - that it will. After all, they're brilliant.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:51 AM (HnUIn)

195 192 The bloodbath that never happened should have told you that.
Posted by: whig at March 20, 2024 11:51 AM (lpeEt)

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I heard from a source that Trump called American soldiers at Normandy idiots.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 20, 2024 11:52 AM (GBKbO)

196 And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our soul
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one, and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 20, 2024 11:52 AM (MHhQj)

197 One of the European countries has a policy of four children equals zero taxes for life. Norway, Sweden area I forget exactly.

Hungary. Three kids, no taxes.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:53 AM (YAtuc)

198 It's both. The cultural component is larger, but there is a place for government in that battle - namely, rolling back some of the changes over the past 60 years. Ending no-fault divorce and default female custody would go a long way, as would winding down welfare programs for single mothers.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:50 AM (HnUIn)

Doubling the standard deduction for married filing jointly.
Putting in an expanded child tax deduction only applicable if you file married filing jointly.
Providing a stay at home spouse credit only if married filing jointly.

I can keep going...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 20, 2024 11:53 AM (exHjb)

199 Small confirmation they are trying to push Joe out.

Phone's newsfeed (preloaded) always pushes the most anti-Trump stories, Politico, The Hill, Rolling Stone, Atlantic. You get the drift.

Today they pushed the "Joe gets lost and shuffles around the stage" story.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 20, 2024 11:54 AM (yikga)

200
183 I don't know how we've lasted this long with the number of people who contribute nothing and only have their hands out their entire lives
Posted by: nckate at March 20, 2024 11:49 AM (67S4S)

That's why things like The Burning Times come back pretty regularly. It's the only guaranteed way to thin the herd and get rid of all the deadwood. Also requires a complete reboot of society to get going again.

Worth noting; some societies never reboot. They just die, and centuries later others look at their ruins and wonder who they were.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 20, 2024 11:54 AM (1Zr/P)

201 @EpochTimes

BREAKING: Judge Grants Trump’s Request to Appeal Fani Willis Disqualification Decision

A judge has granted former President Donald Trump’s request for immediate appeal of a decision denying disqualification of Fulton County DA Fani Willis.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 20, 2024 11:54 AM (LkLld)

202 In Poland, a college degreed woman who marries and stays at home to birth and raise kids gets 1/2 her expected salary in the field from the age of 1st child birth to the last child to 18.

That's how you create stable marriages and women staying home to raise kids. If we're gonna provide WIC and welfare payments, why not flip who benefits on its head, and benefit what would be the middle class dual parent family, and not the immigrant single parent welfare one...

While this would also serve the goal of raising fertility among higher IQ people, I see absolutely no way it could be implemented. You'd hear cries of "eugenics" all the way to Mars. Also, you'd have to define what constitutes "college-educated". I have no interest in seeing enhanced reproduction from the journalism majors.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 20, 2024 11:54 AM (CsUN+)

203 Revisiting regulations around child car seats to allow them to be thinner so you can fit three in a row in a regular sedan.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 20, 2024 11:51 AM (GBKbO)

Yes. It's amazing how car seat regulations have impacted the practicality of large families. And they are *always* increasing the "recommended" time/weight to keep kids in them.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 20, 2024 11:54 AM (XjtdB)

204 as even Fukiyama had to admit a couple of years ago

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Lol @ Fukuyama.

My dad had a special edition of Foreign Affairs from shortly after the collapse of the USSR that contained the essays by him and Huntington, that would later be expanded into "The End of History" and "Clash of Civilizations."

I read these as a freaking eleven or twelve year old, and it was very eye-opening. When I read Huntington's essay I thought "yeah, that's a possibility." When I read Fukuyama's I thought "this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard." Then I watched as our entire political class blathered about how great Fukuyama was, including our asshat President at the time, and began to realize how fatuous our leaders are.

And, of course, by the time I graduated high school, Islam had started a war with the West, and by the time I graduated college, Western Civ had begun its own final collapse.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 20, 2024 11:55 AM (0FoWg)

205
"Now I don't want to take away any of the gains women have made over the last couple of generations but..."

List those gains, if you will.

The body acceptance movement?
(Big Diabetes' favorite)

The "trans-'em early and often" movement?
(Big Mutilation's favorite)

The pointless "studies majors" movement?
(Big Idiocy's favorite)

One could go on and on ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 20, 2024 11:55 AM (xG4kz)

206 193 189 It's both. The cultural component is larger, but there is a place for government in that battle - namely, rolling back some of the changes over the past 60 years. Ending no-fault divorce and default female custody would go a long way, as would winding down welfare programs for single mothers.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 20, 2024 11:50 AM (HnUIn)
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True...

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Revisiting regulations around child car seats to allow them to be thinner so you can fit three in a row in a regular sedan.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 20, 2024 11:51 AM (GBKbO)

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TJM... Diono Radian 3R. :-) We've got like 6 of them. Heavy for travelling, but compact and do the trick (and do 3 across)...

Posted by: bearski at March 20, 2024 11:55 AM (Bhsk7)

207 t's both. The cultural component is larger, but there is a place for government in that battle - namely, rolling back some of the changes over the past 60 years. Ending no-fault divorce and default female custody would go a long way, as would winding down welfare programs for single mothers.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Something that is not talked about enough is the huge problem of single women - usually very young, who have a child/children just to get a paycheck from FedGov. They call it a paycheck but it is welfare paid for by the rest of us. This is quite a big thing in black communities and I saw this first hand when I lived in SoCal. You get more of what you incentivize and the resulting horrible problems that arise from children being raised in a single parent home. I hope that LBJ occupies a special place in hell.

Posted by: Cheri at March 20, 2024 11:56 AM (oiNtH)

208 Revisiting regulations around child car seats to allow them to be thinner so you can fit three in a row in a regular sedan.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 20, 2024 11:51 AM (GBKbO)

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TJM... Diono Radian 3R. :-) We've got like 6 of them. Heavy for travelling, but compact and do the trick (and do 3 across)...
Posted by: bearski at March 20, 2024 11:55 AM (Bhsk7)

Oh, another one - excluding minivans from ALL climate and energy savings initiatives. Make those cars the cheapest ones on the market...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 20, 2024 11:56 AM (exHjb)

209 Doubling the standard deduction for married filing jointly.
Putting in an expanded child tax deduction only applicable if you file married filing jointly.
Providing a stay at home spouse credit only if married filing jointly.

I can keep going...
Posted by: Nova Local at March 20, 2024 11:53 AM (exHjb)

——

BTW the middle class tax cuts Trump fought for in 2017 are going away next year as Paul Ryan really didn’t want them and the only way he’d let it pass the House was to make them temporary.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 20, 2024 11:56 AM (++4z6)

210 I read Trump is considering Kevin McCarthy as his Chief of Staff if he wins.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 20, 2024 11:24 AM (eYF7X)

What you read was unnamed sources say Trump is considering Kevin McCarthy...

We've played this game before. Name names or GTFO (speaking to the authors of the article).

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 11:56 AM (1Z8zZ)

211 When was the last time you saw raising children as a positive? Have you seen the nastiness that comes out on social media if you suggest women might want children? A lot of the reason folks used to have kids was social pressure.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 20, 2024 11:57 AM (yeEu9)

212 What you read was unnamed sources say Trump is considering Kevin McCarthy...

We've played this game before. Name names or GTFO (speaking to the authors of the article).
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 11:56 AM (1Z8zZ)

The unnamed source was obviously Kevin, b/c he's dying to get a foothold and relevance again...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 20, 2024 11:57 AM (exHjb)

213 You get more of what you incentivize and the resulting horrible problems that arise from children being raised in a single parent home. I hope that LBJ occupies a special place in hell.

I'm sure he's a regular at Ted Kennedy's poker game in hell. (Loser gets the barbed cock of Satan).

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:58 AM (2ocoG)

214 I read Trump is considering Kevin McCarthy as his Chief of Staff if he wins.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 20, 2024 11:24 AM (eYF7X)

What you read was unnamed sources say Trump is considering Kevin McCarthy...

We've played this game before. Name names or GTFO (speaking to the authors of the article).

Yeah, I'd be careful about that.

Posted by: SoS Romney at March 20, 2024 11:58 AM (CsUN+)

215 Warning to all elites and robber barons-there are no pockets in a shroud.

Posted by: Robert W. Service at March 20, 2024 11:58 AM (V5BDR)

216 I heard from a source that Trump called American soldiers at Normandy idiots.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Too many people still believe what others tell them to be so if it is to them what they want to believe.

Wait and see what is true and then deal with it is passe with a lot of people. All the media is a heuristic shortcut to find out what reality is like and if that media is a poisoned well--then the poison seeps into your own thinking as well.

Posted by: whig at March 20, 2024 11:58 AM (lpeEt)

217 A lot of the reason folks used to have kids was social pressure.

When all your friends start having kids, you want to have a kid.

If not, not.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 20, 2024 11:58 AM (YAtuc)

218 My kid took drivers Ed when he was 14.5 with an Indian kid who was so skinny and short he was required by the instructor to sit in a booster seat in the drivers Ed car.

Posted by: nckate at March 20, 2024 11:58 AM (67S4S)

219 216 Too many people still believe what others tell them to be so if it is to them what they want to believe.

Wait and see what is true and then deal with it is passe with a lot of people. All the media is a heuristic shortcut to find out what reality is like and if that media is a poisoned well--then the poison seeps into your own thinking as well.

Posted by: whig at March 20, 2024 11:58 AM (lpeEt)

========

I'll deal with that after I scream about the report of Trump tearing up confidential papers and flushing them down the toilet.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 20, 2024 11:59 AM (GBKbO)

220 Oh, another one - excluding minivans from ALL climate and energy savings initiatives. Make those cars the cheapest ones on the market...

I can beat that: just admit that the real data shows that we aren't changing the climate. Or not the ways you think - wind farms actually are causing the climate to change because they take energy out of the atmosphere.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:59 AM (2ocoG)

221 Haven't read all comments but child sex trafficking is a motivation for this shit also. Some twisted demonic fiends just want to fuck kids and an open border makes that easier.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at March 20, 2024 11:59 AM (cRrcX)

222 192 168 I read Trump is considering Kevin McCarthy as his Chief of Staff if he wins.

*hits self in head with hammer*
Posted by: Maj. Healey
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That came from noted hater of Trump--Bloomberg News Service quoting 'anonymous' sourcing.

Too many people here still think the MSM is credible because of Gell Mann amnesia effect.
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I read Trump is going to pick Nikki Haley for VP!
If he does that, I won't vote!
And you shouldn't either.
True conservatives should not vote for Trump.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 20, 2024 12:00 PM (yikga)

223 The phrase "voted for it" gets used a lot, both here and elsewhere. It occurs to me that this phrase is in fact true about all political and social ills.

Because we do "vote for it" every time we enable a politician who we firmly believe has our own interests at heart when in fact they do not. The person you swear up and down is "on your side" is never "on your side" once they get out of the limo in the capitol city.

There is no plausible way to fix government when government controls the mechanisms of (peaceful) change and is in not remotely ready to consider something different other than the path we're on.

The entire political system in this country is hopelessly fucked. In another time the capitol city would have been razed years ago.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 20, 2024 12:00 PM (Q4IgG)

224 That came from noted hater of Trump--Bloomberg News Service quoting 'anonymous' sourcing.

True, but it would have zero effect if everyone who heard it said "Nah, that would be so out of character for Trump." But we can't because it isn't. He has made some horrendous personnel choices in the past and AFAIK the only one he's actually reputed is Pence. Fauci maybe but only weakly.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 20, 2024 12:01 PM (sNc8Y)

225 220 Oh, another one - excluding minivans from ALL climate and energy savings initiatives. Make those cars the cheapest ones on the market...

I can beat that: just admit that the real data shows that we aren't changing the climate. Or not the ways you think - wind farms actually are causing the climate to change because they take energy out of the atmosphere.
Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 11:59 AM (2ocoG)

True, but one is easier to make happen rapidly than the other - start turning the crank, and when folks realize minivans aren't destroying the world, all the other stuff falls...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 20, 2024 12:01 PM (exHjb)

226 We are swimming in an ocean of those who feel entitled to the labor of others...

Posted by: Factoids at March 20, 2024 11:33 AM (5Mx4s)

Slavery has never gone away. It just changed its name and the appearance of the chains.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 12:01 PM (1Z8zZ)

227 My dad had a special edition of Foreign Affairs from shortly after the collapse of the USSR that contained the essays by him and Huntington, that would later be expanded into "The End of History" and "Clash of Civilizations."

I read these as a freaking eleven or twelve year old, and it was very eye-opening. When I read Huntington's essay I thought "yeah, that's a possibility." When I read Fukuyama's I thought "this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard." Then I watched as our entire political class blathered about how great Fukuyama was, including our asshat President at the time, and began to realize how fatuous our leaders are.

And, of course, by the time I graduated high school, Islam had started a war with the West, and by the time I graduated college, Western Civ had begun its own final collapse.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

Huntington was a behavioralist social scientist who believe actual behavior of people trumped theories. Fukuyama was a theorist that should have had his ass shipped to Iraq to run reconstruction efforts out in the boonies. He would have found counterfactual evidence daily that History was over and Huntington was right.

Posted by: whig at March 20, 2024 12:01 PM (lpeEt)

228 Morning.

This fertile Catholic school chick intends to do her part to increase that fertility number.
https://tinyurl.com/bde2mays

Posted by: Robert at March 20, 2024 12:02 PM (XGlQO)

229
An interesting chart I came across recently was about housing prices going back about 70 years. Adjusted for inflation the homes back in the 50's and 60's would be around $100,000 in todays dollars.

Which was prime time for stay-at-home moms, large families, with a single wage earner. But as the saying goes, 'Then something happened."

Was it feminism which caused the crazy increase in housing prices?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 12:02 PM (RKVpM)

230
...an Indian kid who was so skinny and short he was required by the instructor to sit in a booster seat in the drivers Ed car.
Posted by: nckate

"... and that Indian kid was me!"

-- Kamala "Venn It!" Harris

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 20, 2024 12:02 PM (xG4kz)

231 The entire political system in this country is hopelessly fucked. In another time the capitol city would have been razed years ago.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 20, 2024 12:00 PM (Q4IgG)

——-

We are an oligarchy and voting has, at best, marginal impact on what the government does.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 20, 2024 12:02 PM (++4z6)

232 I can beat that: just admit that the real data shows that we aren't changing the climate. Or not the ways you think - wind farms actually are causing the climate to change because they take energy out of the atmosphere.
Posted by: Ian S.

Tell us about it!

Birds of all kinds.

Posted by: Cheri at March 20, 2024 12:03 PM (oiNtH)

233 A lot of the reason folks used to have kids was social pressure.

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Also, that family farm wasn't gonna work itself, you know?

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 20, 2024 12:03 PM (VyIGU)

234 ...because they don't believe in any sort of afterlife.

Or they do and the prospect terrifies them.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 12:03 PM (1Z8zZ)

235 Wow

Unilever, which in WWII had ties to the Nazi party, is kicking Ben&Jerry's to the curb to be 'focused on ... unmissably superior brands with strong positions...'

Go broke Ben&Jerry's and then the Native Americans can get their property back from you thieves.

h/t Legal Insurrection

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 20, 2024 12:04 PM (hPKqP)

236 .....and that assumes that 1.78 doesn't get any worse. The smart people in policy positions who know math see doom in this. Masses are power

Yet they keep pushing abortion.....yes they are the smart ones. /s

Posted by: RUReadingthis at March 20, 2024 12:04 PM (aQ25I)

237 It has been said that children are a sign of hope for the future. Since our future is plainly heading into lawlessness, depression, turbulence, and likely Civil War, it's no surprise that young people are not having kids. Who wants to raise a child into such chaos? Despair kills the family impulse, and we're seeing that right now.

What Elric was illustrating up-thread is correct: There is an entire underground economy operating in America, with cash flowing around to pay rents, food, and also the loans made to the Cartels for getting the illegals into America in the first place. All of this is set up by the Cartels and managed by enforcers. It is nothing more than slave labor enriching a criminal enterprise.

Posted by: Brewingfrog at March 20, 2024 12:04 PM (jQ4oS)

238 Dont forget it is also 20 million people used to corrupt and failing government that do not expect safety, security, and human rights.

Posted by: rhennigantx at March 20, 2024 12:05 PM (ENQN6)

239 A lot of the reason folks used to have kids was social pressure.

And because pre-1950 childhood mortality was quite high.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2024 12:05 PM (2ocoG)

240 211 When was the last time you saw raising children as a positive? Have you seen the nastiness that comes out on social media if you suggest women might want children? A lot of the reason folks used to have kids was social pressure.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 20, 2024 11:57 AM (yeEu9)

There also was a lot less to do besides sex and people got married younger.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at March 20, 2024 12:05 PM (eYoxG)

241 Yet they keep pushing abortion.....yes they are the smart ones. /s
Posted by: RUReadingthis at March 20, 2024 12:04 PM (aQ25I)
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Consistency is the sign of an inferior mind.

Posted by: The Elite at March 20, 2024 12:05 PM (HnUIn)

242 The entire political system in this country is hopelessly fucked. In another time the capitol city would have been razed years ago.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

Our founding fathers would have bodies stacked a mile high and wouldn't stop until the madness ended.

Posted by: Cheri at March 20, 2024 12:05 PM (oiNtH)

243 Gee, if only there was someone willing to stand athwart the border yelling "Stop"!!

Posted by: Jak Sucio at March 20, 2024 12:05 PM (Aoykm)

244 -- Kamala "Venn It!" Harris

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"Venn it up
I'll suck it!"

/With apologies to the Fabulous Thunderbirds ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 20, 2024 12:06 PM (VyIGU)

245 Posted by: Robert at March 20, 2024 12:02 PM (XGlQO)

That’s a Catholic school uniform only in your debased mind. And the model is way past high school age.

Get a freakin clue

Posted by: kallisto at March 20, 2024 12:06 PM (DEV5F)

246
It doesn't take much of a stretch of the imagination to see that Planned Parenthood's push into "gender-affirming healthcare"is their way to push sterilization without overtly pushing sterilization.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 20, 2024 12:06 PM (xG4kz)

247 Robert needs a waifu like Albedo

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 20, 2024 12:06 PM (hPKqP)

248 Yea he employers save on benefits and payroll taxes, true. But that’s what 15% savings vs hiring someone legally? Sure it’s some thing but it’s not like a massive incentive to hire them.
Posted by: Montec

7.65% SS/MC
Mandated vacation pay
Many states, mandated sick/PTO
Obama care.

It's a chunk more than 15%

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at March 20, 2024 12:07 PM (JkCto)

249 229
An interesting chart I came across recently was about housing prices going back about 70 years. Adjusted for inflation the homes back in the 50's and 60's would be around $100,000 in todays dollars.

Which was prime time for stay-at-home moms, large families, with a single wage earner. But as the saying goes, 'Then something happened."

Was it feminism which caused the crazy increase in housing prices?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 12:02 PM (RKVpM)
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At least two things:

1. Houses got much bigger, more complicated, and packed with more tech and amenities. That plus lots of new regulations and building codes calling for use of more expensive materials and building processes.

2. A lot of the cheaper home prices of the 50s and 60s and into the 70s was suburban sprawl. Land in sparsely developed suburbs was dirt cheap. That's not true any more. Just the opposite.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 20, 2024 12:07 PM (iFTx/)

250 True, but it would have zero effect if everyone who heard it said "Nah, that would be so out of character for Trump." But we can't because it isn't. He has made some horrendous personnel choices in the past and AFAIK the only one he's actually reputed is Pence. Fauci maybe but only weakly.
Posted by: Oddbob

The problem that Trump faced is that the Uniparty is real. Trump believed that the GOP officeholders actually said what they meant because he did so he appointed people that did a good job for him in the election (Rinsed Pubis or some such), some noted business execs like Tillerman, and retired military generals.

What he did not realize is that all of those sobs are uniparty because that is how they get things done in their world--is by treachery, cowardice, and evil deeds all the while proclaiming their virtue.

Naivete is an issue but his staffing at the end of his presidency was far better when he simply used the Succession Act after firing the sobs.

Fauci was not one of his appointments btw but you have to blame ole Ronnie Reagan for that one as Fauci was civil service and killed a bunch of people trying to make an AIDS vaccine which makes GHWB, Clinton, GWB, Obama

Posted by: whig at March 20, 2024 12:07 PM (lpeEt)

251 Republican Sen. Todd Young will NOT vote for Donald Trump and is sick and 'tired' of having his vote 'taken for granted'

https://mol.im/a/13216033

Posted by: Ciampino - Update #122 at March 20, 2024 12:07 PM (qfLjt)

252 229
An interesting chart I came across recently was about housing prices going back about 70 years. Adjusted for inflation the homes back in the 50's and 60's would be around $100,000 in todays dollars.

Which was prime time for stay-at-home moms, large families, with a single wage earner. But as the saying goes, 'Then something happened."

Was it feminism which caused the crazy increase in housing prices?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 12:02 PM (RKVpM)

Even the small houses (1000 sq ft.) in my area go for $300K now. It's ridiculous.

Posted by: XTC at March 20, 2024 12:08 PM (UnA8+)

253 is their way to push sterilization without overtly pushing sterilization.

"Ein garden of weeds Mein Fuhrer!" - Margaret Sanger

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 20, 2024 12:08 PM (hPKqP)

254 Posted by: Anna Puma at March 20, 2024 12:06 PM (hPKqP)

Is Albedo also a “Catholic school chick”?

Posted by: kallisto at March 20, 2024 12:08 PM (DEV5F)

255 Nood

Posted by: nckate at March 20, 2024 12:09 PM (67S4S)

256 Posted by: Robert at March 20, 2024 12:02 PM (XGlQO)

Catholic School chick. LOL Yeah, riiiight. I suppose "enrollment" will "rise" amongst RC heterosexual boys.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 20, 2024 12:09 PM (DCNcI)

257 http://tiny.cc/881kxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Nice. Thanks.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 20, 2024 12:09 PM (9yWhg)

258 One could go on and on ...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 20, 2024 11:55 AM (xG4kz)

Yoo-Hoo!

Your Welcome!

Posted by: Chlamydia at March 20, 2024 12:09 PM (MHhQj)

259 End Wokeness @EndWokeness 12h
The government of Mexico just released a statement saying they will NOT take back illegals deported by Texas.

Funny how that works.

Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays 52m
My plan is to wait until all the criminals are in America and then I'll move to Central America.

I know, you wish you thought of it.
https://tinyurl.com/2f8275v8
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Screencaps because the fucking media, including our conservative sites, aren't fucking quoting the entire fucking statement for me to cut & paste.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 20, 2024 12:10 PM (2yu8s)

260 We need more like this. If they get arrested thennmore like this, eventually rebellion.
Vigilantes show up to evict 'squatters' at Queens home where owner was arrested - as neighbors reveal THREE people have been living there for free and carrying out work inside

https://mol.im/a/13216813

Posted by: Ciampino - Viva la revolucion at March 20, 2024 12:10 PM (qfLjt)

261 And I'm curious: we were always told that SS was at risk due to the Boomers. Guess what? We are dying off which would normally mean fewer folks on SS in the future. And folks now have 401ks, which weren't around when I started working. We should need fewer folks to keep SS going, not more.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 20, 2024 12:10 PM (yeEu9)

262 For all his very human foibles Trump has done a great service to the people of these United States by making all the demons drop their human masks.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 20, 2024 12:10 PM (hPKqP)

263 246
It doesn't take much of a stretch of the imagination to see that Planned Parenthood's push into "gender-affirming healthcare"is their way to push sterilization without overtly pushing sterilization.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 20, 2024 12:06 PM (xG4kz)

Young girls want to be E-Girls for a living now.

Young boys ALSO want to be E-Girls for a living.

Posted by: XTC at March 20, 2024 12:10 PM (UnA8+)

264 252 229
An interesting chart I came across recently was about housing prices going back about 70 years. Adjusted for inflation the homes back in the 50's and 60's would be around $100,000 in todays dollars.

Which was prime time for stay-at-home moms, large families, with a single wage earner. But as the saying goes, 'Then something happened."

Was it feminism which caused the crazy increase in housing prices?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 12:02 PM (RKVpM)

Even the small houses (1000 sq ft.) in my area go for $300K now. It's ridiculous.

Posted by: XTC at March 20, 2024 12:08 PM (UnA8+)
__________

Do you want to know what a 1,000 sf apartment in a nice area of Manhattan goes for?

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 20, 2024 12:10 PM (iFTx/)

265 I lost my comment
The short version is Marxists H8 the Constitution and want to follow Marx and destroy Western civilization

Posted by: Skip at March 20, 2024 12:10 PM (ny2g2)

266 Slavery has never gone away. It just changed its name and the appearance of the chains.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 20, 2024 12:01 PM (1Z8zZ)

Correct.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 20, 2024 12:10 PM (XjtdB)

267 Albedo from the anime Overlord is a very smart very insane succubus.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 20, 2024 12:11 PM (hPKqP)

268
Republican Sen. Todd Young will NOT vote for Donald Trump ...

Stunning and brave, Todd. Stunning and brave.

...and is sick and 'tired' of having his vote 'taken for granted'

Try asking your constituents about that "vote taken for granted" experience, Todd.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 20, 2024 12:11 PM (xG4kz)

269 Nudity

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 20, 2024 12:12 PM (V1S1H)

270 Get a freakin clue
Posted by: kallisto at March 20, 2024 12:06 PM (DEV5F)

lol take a deep breath and calm down before you burst a blood vessel.

It's just a picture of a scantily clad chick that's easily 30% more clad than the typical Mannix Babe ™️.

Posted by: Robert at March 20, 2024 12:12 PM (XGlQO)

271 264 Do you want to know what a 1,000 sf apartment in a nice area of Manhattan goes for?
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 20, 2024 12:10 PM (iFTx/)

I don't want to give the remotest damn about Manhattan.

Posted by: XTC at March 20, 2024 12:12 PM (UnA8+)

272 It has been said that children are a sign of hope for the future.

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Truth.

I remember a caller to Dennis Prager's radio show after 9/11 saying that he was afraid to bring children into the world, and Prager made this same point.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 20, 2024 12:12 PM (VyIGU)

273 http://tiny.cc/881kxz

Boobette's about to fall out of her blouse.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 20, 2024 12:14 PM (DCNcI)

274 Morning.

This fertile Catholic school chick intends to do her part to increase that fertility number.
https://tinyurl.com/bde2mays

Posted by: Robert at March 20, 2024 12:02 PM (XGlQO)

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Nice tartan ... and tatas!

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 20, 2024 12:16 PM (8LN/r)

275 I read Trump is considering Kevin McCarthy as his Chief of Staff if he wins.

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1. Remember that 90% of what yiu read about Trump is a lie

2 if this is part of the 10%, what in the actual fuck?

Posted by: Montec at March 20, 2024 12:16 PM (4+s9S)

276 The yuutes of today can barely afford to live in a 2 bedroom apartment. How are they supposed to afford children?

Posted by: Montec at March 20, 2024 12:17 PM (4+s9S)

277 Do you want to know what a 1,000 sf apartment in a nice area of Manhattan goes for?
Posted by: Elric Blade

3/2/2 Custom built on 2 acres - $275,000

Of course, I'm 81 miles from work.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2024 12:18 PM (IB/6k)

278 Was it feminism which caused the crazy increase in housing prices?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 20, 2024 12:02 PM (RKVpM)

Yes it was part of it. Basically a bunch of those new working women went into make work fields in HR and government producing no, or negative, value for society.

But also there is the problem of the value those women had generated before feminism told them to go into the corporate world. Yes a lot of housework type stuff became easier with the invention of various appliances but the value in taking care of and educating their children was flat out lost.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 20, 2024 12:21 PM (ibTVg)

279 Posted by: Robert at March 20, 2024 12:02 PM (XGlQO)

That’s a Catholic school uniform only in your debased mind. And the model is way past high school age.

Get a freakin clue
Posted by: kallisto

I have seen Japanese tourists dressed like that in Waikiki.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 20, 2024 12:23 PM (3vcct)

280 lol take a deep breath and calm down before you burst a blood vessel.

Awww, I’m so moved at your sincere concern wrt my health. This is what makes you a Very Special
Moron!

Posted by: kallisto at March 20, 2024 12:45 PM (ud3bB)

281 I have seen Japanese tourists dressed like that in Waikiki.

I guess that’s what Anna Puma was referencing.

I had a skirt similar to that one in my youth, not as short though. What can I say, it was the 90s.
And years after I’d graduated Catholic school.

Posted by: kallisto at March 20, 2024 12:50 PM (ud3bB)

282 If you reward a certain behavior, you get more, not less of it.
Imagine that those, not only, having children, but achieving children, would be able to avoid federal and State taxes?
First, to benefit, they would have to be earners. Then, assuming you start with income tax, you move to other types of tax that will require wealth building behaviors... This could be applied to all, but only those raising achieving children would benefit. Could be an incentive for families to get out of transgenerational welfare...

Posted by: Augusto Perez at March 20, 2024 01:09 PM (5HNqP)

283 “, decent wages so mothers could choose to stay home with their children“ ,

Or budget.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 20, 2024 02:55 PM (LqqGi)

284 “Poland has no real faith-based culture...at all...at this point, so to get to 1.5 is kinda a miracle.”

Huh?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 20, 2024 03:00 PM (LqqGi)

285 Biden+ Democrat+ Globalist =Traitor

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